From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 5:26 am Subject: TD's Top Ten Alright everybody, Our buddy Steve Yensen is the first one to post his TD's 90's era top ten, so gather up your thoughts and keep em' coming. If you want you to, go ahead and post them through tadream@egroups.com , so that others can see and get to know your tastes, unless you're embarrassed by them :-). Either way I'll keep tabulations. BTW, when you post your top ten, start with your #1 being your favorite track, which is worth ten points and on down the line. Also specifically state which version/ CD it came from. Steve, I assume 'Waterborne' is your favorite 90's track? Correct me if I'm wrong. Frank Arellano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25003 Re: TD's Top Ten j.gordon Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:09 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer Hi, my copy of Raetikon is fine. Too bad you missed it. Though some think it is just endless noodling on Mojave Plan and Choronzon, I find its a great variation on these plus a killer track after Mojave Plan which has only been published officially on the recent 'Antique Dream' - but the Raetikon version is far better! Macula Transfer was called back by Froese, therefore only a limited number of copies around. cheers armin --- In tadream@egroups.com, Derk wrote: > I went to a record fair yesterday (for the Dutch members: it was the Mega > CD & Record Fair in Utrecht), and came home with a few nice items: Ages, > Pinnacles, Stuntman, The Zoo of Tranquility (1998) & Songs No Words. I also > saw Macula Transfer, in a 1998 Manikin Records edition but didn't pick it > up because it was quite expensive. Later on I heard that this was a very > limited edition. So, have I been tremendously stupid by not picking up that > CD? > There were a few TD boots, one of which I found very interesting, namely > Raetikon (Melbourne 1982). However, all five copies I found during the day > were flawed (I had brought a portable CD player which just kept skipping on > these discs). Is this a known problem with Raetikon? > > Derk From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 9:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD's Top Ten okay, i'm in... 1. Chia Maroon (Oasis OST) 2. Electric Lion (Melrose) 3. Sundance Kid (220 Volt) 4. Flashflood (Oasis OST) 5. Outland (Mars Polaris) 6. Quiona (Quinoa Extended) 7. Rising Haul in Silence (Goblin's Club) 8. Galley Slave's Horizon (Turn of the Tides) 9. Fairfax (Hollywood Years Vol. 1) 10. Smokey Karlow (Transsiberia OST) you know, in putting these down, i wondered why, for example, i didn't put down Comet's Figure Head, which is a great tune... or, other tunes, which are great, but really couldn't find their way up to the top... then i recalled a quote from the esteemed Neil Pert... he was talking about why, for the rap section of roll the bones, they didn't choose to do it funny or weird, but to simple have geddy do it: '...but then how to treat it was the other question, and we did think of trying to get a real rapper in to do it, and we even experimented with female voices, and ultimately found that that treated version of Geddy's voice was the most satisfying as creating the persona that we wanted to get across, and was also the most satisfying to listen to. ... John Cleese we thought of; we were going to do it as a joke version, get John Cleese in it: 'Jack, relax.' Get him to camp it up, but again from the musicality and longevity factors, that would have got tired quickly...' and i realized that was why so much of the recent TD doesn't get the spin-treatment in my stereo the way say, Livemiles or Poland get... musically, i feel they've gone for something other than music that really subscribes to the idea of longevity, music that will last over hundreds and even thousands of plays... whew! that .02 was burning a hole in my pocket... =) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 10:47 am Subject: Re: Phaedream >a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be >prudent to make sure that it held just TD content. Tom, what makes you think that ? Most bootleg producers are in it for the money, nothing else. I presume that the maker of Phaedream got his hands on a tape that was marked 'TD London 1975', and that had the Neuronium track on it as a filler. My best bet would be that he never even knew it was something different, and didn't give a rat's ass, anyway. The cesspool that turned up Phaedream used to announce 20-40 bootleg CDs a month, literally ranging from Abba to Zappa. No way he (they) are experts/fans of all these groups. cheers, klaus From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 11:01 am Subject: Astrophobia? Bleh.. On the record, I'm not putting Mars Polaris down, and in fact I enjoy numerous tracks from this album. But when I kept hearing the praise Astrophobia had been getting, I had to sit down and figure out why I was having such a negative reaction to it. I think I found out why it has been bothering me and maybe others. The problem lies in the compositional style of the track -- not so much that it has numerous different ideas, but in fact what these ideas are and how they are presented. When I actually listened to this track, rather then let it fall as back-beat music in the background, I found something terrible to me. Repetitiveness without evolution. I made a simple chart here from a quick listening of this track. Basing from each of these ideas was often a melody that had a basic repetition of twice or three times. In essence, the music became predictable and the ideas stuffed in the small sections were in fact smaller. I believe the track to be incredibly inflated with repeated material and my only reasoning for calling the material 'repeated' is the lack of evolution and the stance that not any one idea firmly plants itself, thus becoming 'decoration.' In fact I think most of this track is fluff and decoration, and falls apart in having too many ideas. Section 1: 0:00 - 1:00 Rep. 8:46 - 9:57 Section 2: 1:00 - 2:24 Section 3: 2:25 - 3:13 Section 3B: 3:13 - 3:34 Section 4: 3:35 - 4:21 Section 4B: 4:21 - 4:32 Section 5: 4:32 - 4:55 Section 6: 4:56 - 5:19 Section 7: 5:20 - 5:42 Section 8: 5:43 - 6:05 Section 9: 6:06 - 6:16 Section 10: 6:17 - 6:57 Section 10B: 6:57 - 7:09 Section 10C: 7:10 - 7:31 Section 11: 7:32 - 7:50 Section 11B: 7:51 - 8:04 Section 11C: 8:04 - 8:45 How many current TD tracks have this style of progressive repeated melodies? I think very many and it lingers as being irritating when similar instruments among many albums play these melodies -- weather it be a harpsichord, piano, or bell sounds. I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like it's cut & paste nature and that sort of electronic perfection of a copy seems IMO is hurting TD's sound. Now I know Jerome likes dance music, and if there's one place for cut & paste, it's dance music -- that's fine. But if you are sitting plopping notes in with a mouse like Mario Paint, something's lost... And every plopped Yoshi in the world isn't going to change that sound! Greg H. NP: Green Desert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25006 Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. Darryl Sloan Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB 25007 Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. Heiko Heerssen Mon 11/13/2000 2 KB 25009 Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. j.gordon Mon 11/13/2000 2 KB 25010 Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. Feldon Feldon Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB 25011 Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. Jared White Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB 25040 Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. Gustavo Jobim Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh.. >music in the >background, I found something terrible to me. > >Repetitiveness without evolution. I have over 20 TD CDs in my collection, spanning the lates 70s to the present, so I can appreciate a wide span of TD's evolving style. Astrophobia stands out to me as one of their best ever! I don't know why, maybe it just comes down to personal tastes. I listen to music whilst jogging and it's my favourite track for this. The fast tempo and aggressive style really suit exercise. But then that's just me. :-) >firmly plants itself, thus becoming 'decoration.' In fact I think most of >this track is fluff >and decoration, and falls apart in having too many ideas. I thought it all blended together very richly. >I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like >it's cut & paste I've heard this criticism before, but the only album that ever really struck me that was 'Lily on the Beach.' Everything just sounds the same on it, and is totally unmemorable. But that was a long time ago. ___________________________________________ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ Darryl Sloan http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan | http://www.DarrylSloan.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh.. Darryl Sloan wrote: > I've heard this criticism before, but the only album that ever really struck > me that was 'Lily on the Beach.' Everything just sounds the same on it, and > is totally unmemorable. But that was a long time ago. I think this is what makes the Tadream list so interesting, because I like 'Lily on the beach' very much, especially 'Crystal curfew' is superb. Different people with different tastes ;-) Heiko From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:01 pm Subject: cut&paste music While we're on the subject of accusing (or not) TD of putting together cut&paste style music, I want to tell you about a little experiment I did... I bought a program called 'Dance eJay 2', which is basically just a music toy, for making instant dance music. But rather than stick to the supplied samples and loops, I created my own from my Tangerine Dream CD collection. The result was a strange, trancey amalgamation of material from Goblins' Club, Miracle Mile, Poland, White Eagle, and others. I've love some opinions on it. You can download as an mp3 at: http://www.mp3.com/darrylsloan (I hope this doesn't upset anyone, because it is, I suppose a copyright violation. But the track is not commercial, and I even called it simply 'Tangerine Dream Tribute' in credit to the band.) Hope you like it. Have fun. ___________________________________________ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ Darryl Sloan http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan | http://www.DarrylSloan.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh.. > I think this is what makes the Tadream list so interesting, because I like > 'Lily > on the beach' very much, especially 'Crystal curfew' is superb. Different > people > with different tastes ;-) Woo Hoo! Let's hear it for 'Blue Mango Cafe'... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh.. Greg, thanks for this detailed review and analysis. I've listened to Comet's Figure Head a few more times and while it's a pretty good track, the repetition gets kind of old, and the percussion is again excessive. -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:01 AM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh.. On the record, I'm not putting Mars Polaris down, and in fact I enjoy numerous tracks from this album. But when I kept hearing the praise Astrophobia had been getting, I had to sit down and figure out why I was having such a negative reaction to it. I think I found out why it has been bothering me and maybe others. The problem lies in the compositional style of the track -- not so much that it has numerous different ideas, but in fact what these ideas are and how they are presented. When I actually listened to this track, rather then let it fall as back-beat music in the background, I found something terrible to me. Repetitiveness without evolution.___________________________________________________________ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 6:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh.. Hi, Greg, > I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like > it's cut & paste > nature and that sort of electronic perfection of a copy seems IMO > is hurting > TD's sound. > Now I know Jerome likes dance music, and if there's one place for cut & > paste, it's dance > music -- that's fine. But if you are sitting plopping notes in > with a mouse > like Mario Paint, > something's lost... Believe it or not, I have to agree with you here. As much as I think Jerome is talented and has a lot of great ideas, it seems a shame he doesn't seem to be working on his performance abilities. Too much of his music these days seems like he just put it together in a computer, instead of actually *playing* musical lines. I think working with a computer-based sequencer can be very inspiring and is a wonderful compositional tool, but no matter how fancy you get with the mouse, you just can't replace human performance. However, the 'cut & paste' nature of some of his compositions don't bother me much -- being a Celtic musician, I'm used to repeating melodies. ;) But I *do* mind when he seems to fall into a 'I'll stick in a few notes here, a sound effect here, underlie it with some cool breakbeats, and I have a piece' mentality, which I hope he'll 'grow' out of in the near future! That being said, Astrophobia is one of my favorite pieces on Mars Polaris. Ain't I a hypocrite? Take care, Jared From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome 1. Virtually Fields 2. Sojus 3. Timesquare (N.Y. Brix Mix) 4. San Rocco 5. Touchwood (The Forest Mix) 6. Flashflood 7. Astrophobia 8. Quinoa 9. Hamlet 10. Three Bikes in the Sky You can kind of tell that Dream Mixes was my favourite TD *album* of the 90s, huh? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Derk Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:33 pm Subject: Raetikon / Macula Transfer ** Re: Raetikon From: 'Marcel Engels' : >> There were a few TD boots, one of which I found very interesting, namely >> Raetikon (Melbourne 1982). However, all five copies I found during the day >> were flawed (I had brought a portable CD player which just kept >> skipping on >> these discs). Is this a known problem with Raetikon? > >No, my copy works good. >Could be there's a problem with your cd player? Could be, but I played a few other CDs and they all sounded fine. Maybe the fact that Raetikon is 80 minutes is a bit too much for my machine to digest. >Raetikon is a few years old and is quite a good bootleg. >The quality is very good and also the music on it. From what I've heard of it, it sounded great :-( ** Re: Macula Transfer From: 'John Marchington' : >Without meaning to be rude, I would say you were. It's my considered opinion >that 'Macula Transfer' is one of Edgar's best albums. The music, for me at >any rate, is highly imaginative and covers a considerable range of moods. & From 'Armin Theissen' : >Macula Transfer was called back by Froese, therefore only a limited >number of copies around. The jury has returned. The verdict is unanymous: I am tremendously stupid. Oh well, maybe it'll still be there at the next fair (not!) BTW: Do you know why Edgar recalled MT? Did he think it wasn't 'up to standards'? Derk NP: Pinnacles (I like it, which softens the pain somewhat) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25014 Re: Raetikon / Macula Transfer Joel Mullen Mon 11/13/2000 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Raetikon / Macula Transfer > >From 'Armin Theissen' : > >Macula Transfer was called back by Froese, therefore only a limited > >number of copies around. > > The jury has returned. The verdict is unanymous: I am tremendously stupid. > > Oh well, maybe it'll still be there at the next fair (not!) > > That depends on how much it cost. What were they asking for MT? From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: EDGAR FROESE CDs for SALE! Well, I'm a new dad, and after 20 years of TD collecting, it's time to let some of my prized possessions go! My loss is your gain. I'm putting them up on ebay. For starters, I've put up the following on EBAY that are now available over the next 10 days: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Stuntman Pinnacles Macula Transfer Ages Aqua COMING SOON: I also have for sale many other rare TD items, including TDI THE KEEP, an autographed The Man Inside soundtrack, ElecOrg and Johannes Schmoelling's original ZOO of TRANQUILITY CD. Email for details. Thanks! _Alan Cox (author of the quote, Crap under glass in the Smithsonian is still crap). From: 'Greg' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 1:28 am Subject: Percussive Transitions? So what is the genius of TD in the past 10 years since Jerome has began? Well maybe it isn't exactly genius but what I have noticed with the influx of percussive heavy BPM meandering is the use of percussion to transition small melodic parts. I think this idea has been used for quite a while and on some albums it's pretty dominant. I mean it used to sound like that cheesy button on cheap keyboards where you would hit it and it would alter the drum loop for a second.. old sequence -> tat.. tat.. tat.. tat.. tat.. tat.. [transition] tatata ta ta new sequence -> .. tata.. tata.. tata.. This isn't a new idea but it seems to be one that the current TD enjoys to use. I think it's another dance hand down the way it's employed with back beats and drum machine percussive effects. I think maybe Jerome feels he can replace sequencers with drumming or at least incur a similar effect. It almost seems to me that they build the structure of the music and melody out of a completed performance of drumming.. at least to me the short musical ideas between the drumming would make sense. Greg H. NP: Comet Figure Head From: Chris Richards Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:21 am Subject: You think bootleggers use the same logic you or I do? << no not joking...perhaps a little overly curious. of course i know it is a bootleg but even a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be prudent to make sure that it held just TD content. >> You seriously think a 'bootleg producer' has any kind of ethics or morality? You don't think a bootleg producer might deliberately put something on a bootleg, to make it look like he has found some rare, never before heard recording no one else has, or, in this case, a more complete version of the show than any other bootlegger? Some of these people are very swifty, and they don't care HOW they get your money. I do have to say, I've never heard of someone going so far as to actually include a track by a completely different artist on a bootleg, as is the case with Phaedream. <> That depends. I'm assuming whoever it is who is responsible for Phaedream was hoping someone would see it in a store and say 'Hey, I've got this show already, but this has some material missing from my tape', and they'll buy it. If it sells a few more copies, the incorrect information on the cover is valuable to the producers of the item. I mean, they're already breaking the law by producing the thing in the first place. I don't think they're too broken up about the idea of committing a little false advertising or consumer fraud in the process. << i am just trying to understand why it would be more profitable to include an uncredited Neuronium track on a TD cd, bootleg or not.>> Actually, I don't get it, myself. For the trouble this person went to, they could have easily stuck on some other common TD track. Then again, a local record store near me that sells bootleg videos frequently sticks bonus material on the tape, in addition to whatever is actually listed on the cover. I've come across some pretty cool things that way. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From: 'Derk' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 11:01 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer From: Joel Mullen >> Oh well, maybe it'll still be there at the next fair (not!) > >That depends on how much it cost. What were they asking for MT? Can't remember exactly but it was somewhere in the region of 30-35 guilders, which amounts to something like $15. Not really that much at all, but I was fooled by the fact that it was a new release and so I thought chances were that I could pick it up for a better price elsewhere. Knowing what I know now, it was a bargain of course... Derk From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:20 pm Subject: bootleg track listings? What with all the recent talk about bootlegs, I'm very curious to hear this material. Can anyone offer some tracks listings? I'd like to see if I can hunt some of it down on Napster. ___________________________________________ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ Darryl Sloan http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan | http://www.DarrylSloan.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25022 Re: bootleg track listings? Antonio Nunes Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 25037 Re: bootleg track listings? Darryl Sloan Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ? Agreed. An 'Official' bootleg is an oxymoron. > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] ... > > I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much > to me. As long as it's CD quality. > > -Morgan > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 3:52 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Ozrics how was the sound? I heard that the keyboards were buried in the mix on some shows this tour. I'm looking forward to seeing them tomorrow! -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...] > Subject: [tadream] Ozrics > had a blast Vic, > their new cd is awesome. i bet i have played it 5 or 6 > times. can't wait to get the results of what Craig was > packing. ...> > >P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star > >People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig? > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] bootleg track listings? Darryl Sloan wrote: > > What with all the recent talk about bootlegs, I'm very curious to hear this > material. > > Can anyone offer some tracks listings? Visit http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:45 pm Subject: discussion poll results FYI: I had forgotten about the discussion poll, but I just checked and here are the results: Choices Votes % 41 replies discuss Boots/fan CDRs 14 34.15% discuss Solo works 19 46.34% discuss neither 1 2.44% discuss both simultaneously 7 17.07% These ballot results have been certified by the Florida Secretary of State to be accurate after 15 hand recounts. From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: Edgar SOLO CDs on EBAY Per someone's request on this list, here are the urls for the Edgar Froese cds I put up on ebay: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498129963 Aqua http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498141508 Ages http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498847946 Macula Tranfer http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498150980 Stuntman http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498155098 Pinnacles http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498136252 From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 6:04 pm Subject: [tadream] i-Box Hi all, Some observations about the i-box: The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan') There is in fact unreleased live material on discs 4, 5 and 6, not just on 5 and 6 as previously stated on the TDI site The track times given on the sleeve are very inaccurate The Perth live set on CD 6 is stated as being two tracks, but it actually plays as only one continuous track, and the transition between the two is very badly edited (it sounds like the record jumped!) There are three tracks which were only previously available on the 'Tangents' box set One studio track has not been 'Tangentised', namely 'Cliffs of Sydney', the last track on disc 3, it's the same as the original album version. The majority of the other studio tracks were previously available on 'Tangents' or 'The Dream Roots Collection'. You can of course find out more on my site at the following address: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25028 Re: i-Box Antonio Nunes Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 25047 Re: i-Box Andreas Hedler Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25058 SV: [tadream] i-Box Pergamon Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25060 Re: i-Box Feldon Feldon Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25071 SV: [tadream] i-Box Pergamon Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25075 Re: i-Box Frank Arellano Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25620 i-Box John Marchington Tue 1/9/2001 3 KB 25630 Re: i-Box Armin Theissen Wed 1/10/2001 4 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Repost - Anyone heard from Edom Yannick (CDR Project) REPOST - Someone must have an answer, or is the project dead. Hi all I've sent a couple emails to Edom regarding the CDR project, but I've heard nothing back. Have any of you had any communication with him recently? I really need to know when the cut off date is for him receiving the tracks, etc. All the best -- Richard Ford From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 6:47 pm Subject: Re:TD'S Top Ten Hi here is my Top Ten. 1.Comet's Figure Head 2.Toward's the Evening Star 3.Waterborne 4.Electric Lion 5.San Rocco 6.Three Bikes in the Sky 7.Firetongues 8.Art of Destruction 9.Rising Haul in Silence 10.Bride in Cold Tears Cheers Gary From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box Paul Fellows wrote: > > Some observations about the i-box: > [...] > You can of course find out more on my site at the following address: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html Thanks Paul! Your message and your site have just answered to all the questions I was going to ask about the i-box. Thanks again. Antonio Nunes np: The 7 Letters from Tibet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25047 Re: i-Box Andreas Hedler Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:44 am Subject: 'Dream of Trance' I recently got hold of a terrific trance tune called 'Dream of Trance' as an mp3. Tangerine Dream are credited as the composers, but it sounds absolutely NOTHING like TD - not even remotely like Jerome's dance music leanings. Anyone confirm or deny? ___________________________________________ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ Darryl Sloan http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan | http://www.DarrylSloan.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25030 Re: 'Dream of Trance' Joe Shoults Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 25031 Re: 'Dream of Trance' Joel Mullen Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 25038 Re: 'Dream of Trance' Marcel Engels Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 25035 Re: 'Dream of Trance' Darryl Sloan Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 25036 Re: 'Dream of Trance' Darryl Sloan Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance' if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name on the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time. > -----Original Message----- > From: Darryl Sloan [mailto:darrylsloan@h...] > > I recently got hold of a terrific trance tune called 'Dream > of Trance' as an > mp3. Tangerine Dream are credited as the composers, but it > sounds absolutely > NOTHING like TD - not even remotely like Jerome's dance music > leanings. > > Anyone confirm or deny? From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance' On Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:03 PM, Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@f...] wrote: > if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name on > the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time. > Some people put their own compostions on napster with popular group info and titles just to get people to listen to them. You get what you pay for. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25038 Re: 'Dream of Trance' Marcel Engels Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ? That's not what I meant. I don't encourage bootleg profiteering. Except for 1-2 (Ratikon, by coincidence is one of them) pressed bootleg CDs (silver bottom, and mass-produced [100+] copies), all of my concert material is CDRs of the bootleg CDs or mp3s I've downloaded. An 'Official' bootleg is mass-produced and usually sold at high prices ($30+). -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:50 AM To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ? Agreed. An 'Official' bootleg is an oxymoron. > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] .. > > I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much > to me. As long as it's CD quality. > > -Morgan > eGroups Sponsor PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net__________________________________________________________\ _ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ? I meant it was an oxymoron in that since it is a boot, it cannot be official. As in 'official' can only mean from the official source- TDI. (Or whomever legally owns it) > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:10 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ? > > > That's not what I meant. I don't encourage bootleg > profiteering. Except for 1-2 (Ratikon, by coincidence is one > of them) pressed bootleg CDs (silver bottom, and > mass-produced [100+] copies), all of my concert material is > CDRs of the bootleg CDs or mp3s I've downloaded. An > 'Official' bootleg is mass-produced and usually sold at high > prices ($30+). > > -Morgan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Shoults > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:50 AM > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ? > > > Agreed. An 'Official' bootleg is an oxymoron. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > .. > > > > I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much > > to me. As long as it's CD quality. > > > > -Morgan > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: > http://www.tadream.net________________________________________ ___________________ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 9:23 pm Subject: D:Compilation [Antique Dreams] I first posted this review of Antique Dreams within a few weeks of its release. It was the first TD album I've bought in 5 years without having read several reviews about it and debating whether that $20 could be better spent elsewhere. After loving Electronic Orgy (a 4CD bootleg set of TD's rarest and hardest to find [mostly out-of-print] tracks around), I was anxious to see Edgar's answer to it. While he still felt the need to spruce up, update, re-edit (track 4, Flock [Tatort soundtrack] has lost the most compelling twist in the melody) much of the material, we also get some archived material in pristine quality that most TD fans thought would probably never grace a genuine silver CD. Antique Dreams is not without problems. As was demonstrated with Soundmill Navigator, the Tangs are no experts at sound filtering and cleaning. The first 2 tracks of Antique Dreams are plagued with tape hiss that could easily have been eliminated. There are also errors in the dates and venues listed in the liner notes which some have attributed to a forgiveable copyright dodge. if they are simple mistakes, then it's quite silly. It has also been brought up that, without any notification, the scope of Antique Dreams shifted from a much awaited 1974-1983 compilation to a fairly exciting 1974-1988 disc. Also, the two 1974 tracks received short shrift, with Oedipus shortened by 3-4 minutes and only the first half of Ultima Thule bearing representation here. Ultimately, the positives of Antique Dreams narrowly outweigh the negatives and I think it's worth a buy. As to whether Antique Dreams is a sign of things to come, or but a blip on the radar for diehard TD fans dying for true archival releases, only the master knows. Here's the original review I posted earlier this year (with corrections marked with **): In the few years I have been on this list, I have griped, complained, whined, moaned, and overall bitched about Edgar’s refusal to release undoctored ‘classic’ Tangerine Dream tracks, ESPECIALLY ones that we cannot otherwise get on CD. It’s one thing for Tangents and Dream Roots, because most of us already own the original component albums. It was quite another thing for the likes of Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator to represent themselves as classic releases, even though in reality they were major surgeries and overdubs of the original material. Edgar, if you are paying attention, THANK YOU! Folks, you know I’m a TD purist, to a fault. I bitch if something has gone under the surgery knife or gotten the faux vocals and cheap strings treatment. We’ve had people on the list joke about how out-of-tune and how grossly uncaring some of the Tangentization has seemed to be in past releases. So what’s the verdict? Antique Dreams is so good, I'd pay $14 for this CD for tracks 1, 2, and 3 alone! Alas, the purists on this list want to know what's on the whole CD, so that’s why this e-mail is so long! Even the liner notes are done well, except for the spelling of Johannes Schmoelling’s last name in one place and some incorrect dates (which may have been changed to get Relativity to buzz off). I don’t have all the fantapes these pieces are polled from, but the ones I do, I compare and enumerate below. When I say vintage below, it means that the sounds are almost identical to sounds used around the same era and could be confused for the originals. If Edgar is going to change things around, we appreciate it so much when he uses vintage sounds. So without further ado, my complete review of Antique Dreams... 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture 1974 If you have not heard this, then you don’t know what you are missing! Soundwise, it is halfway between the sounds of Atem and Zeit, and the sounds of Phaedra. My first exposure to this track was EO, which was pulled from an LP. The best part its appearance on this CD? Nothing is stripped away and the added sounds are VINTAGE!!! This track is SO crystal clear compared to the one on EO. There are just a few additions here, a very occasional abstract 'antelope scream', a stutter-step bass, and a bit more melody. Maybe my ears deceive me, but I think some of it has been passed through a reverb filter too. I'm surprised the tape hiss wasn't removed, but once you get past that, this track is just amazing. [5AS] ** This track was edited down about 4 minutes, regrettibly. 02. Ultima Thule pt 1 Well, in my last e-mail, I said that this track was untouched. Having played the CD in my home theater system instead of my car’s CD player, I can hear that the introduction is indeed slightly different. Some kind of ghosting effect has been added. It doesn't hurt anything really, it's just different. The meat of this track is untouched, and other than the intro, the only major addition is an on-key, vintage-sounding analogue horn-type sound which just further melodifies the existing song. It doesn't muddy things up much and it's not unwelcome. In short, this track is still heaven! Again, the sound clarity here rivals EO any day. [5AS] ** Urgh. So where's Ultima Thule pt 2? 03. Calymba City 1981 Ack! I mislabeled this track in my last e-mail. It has no relationship to Horns of Doom except that it was sometimes played *after* Horns of Doom. Well durnit! I don't have the fantape for this particular show, and the liner notes just say “during the 1981 European tour”, but I can compare to other material I have. It is so unbelievable to get unreleased, virtually untouched stuff from this era. The funny thing is that I just expected this to be an excerpt of the first bit and then that would be it! Then, boom, it jumps into the second passage, which I have been wanting on an original CD *FOREVER*!! This is actually two passages, totalling 10 minutes!!! The two segments are almost identical to: 1. Electrobeats 1998 show 'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum' clip from 4:10-8:40 2. Outback Voices CDR around the 49 minute mark. ** The version of this track on the Electrobeats 1998 show included the Speed-like part before and excluded the Outback Voices part. Honestly, the Speed-like part is different enough that people would have appreciated it. What's wrong with accepting history? The fact is, Horns of Doom and that type of melody existed in so many different forms (Silver Scale and Antennenwald anyone?) throughout 1980-1982. Three words: Untouched, Untouched, and Untouched! [5AS] 4. Flock of Bluebirds 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Flock) Well, we knew there would have to be *some* Tangentization on this CD... This entire track is Tangentizized. The new stuff is totally year 2000 sounds and the original melodies are played about 75% volume underneath. To be honest folks, it sounds like the entire track is from scratch, even what is supposed to be the original, because the sequencing is different from the one on EO. ** My confusion above. This track is pretty butchered, with a great melody twist completely left out. If you want to know why 1990's and 2000 TD sounds the way it does, notice what the editing does to this track. It rips the soul out of it. So we have to look at this as a new track, 'inspired' by the original. Fortunately, the Tatort soundtrack is available undoctored. [2.5AS] 5. Speed Dragon 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Speed) Here we go again, 100% Tangentized. No attempt is made to blend vintage sounds in, so it's a case of the original track at about 75-80% volume with new stuff on top. [2.5AS] 6. Edinburgh Castle 1980 (Sobornost) Enough Tangentization here to make me cringe... as I listen to it now, I wish it would go away! But alas, the faux vocals and strings are here to stay. This track is 8:46 long too... Urgh. This was always played as a dark, almost dismal piece, and now it’s being brightened like a spritz of a Febreze bottle. Bleh! Hang onto your copy of the Newcastle or Bristol UK 1981 show. [2AS] 7. Moorland (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Moorland) This CD is full of surprises!!! After the major Tangentization of the two Tatort tracks above and what happened to Sobornost, my heart was starting to sink. So I was surprised to hear very little doctoring to Moorland. The few changes are all *vintage* and done very well. This beats the heck out of the EO version. The only significant addition is strings at the end, but again they are vintage and ADD to the original. I know a lot of people passively say “the changes aren’t that big a deal” and then the purists scream that ANY change is evil. Well, as a purist, I don’t mind the changes in *this* track. [5AS] 8. Sorcerer and Thief 1981 “Performed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling at the Mill Valley Film Festival, SF 1981” 1981? Not quite. However, it *is* wonderful to have a mint condition recording of tracks 11 and 12 of the Antarktis concert CDR (recorded in 1987)!!! Sorcerer soundtrack “Betrayal” and then Thief soundtrack “Diamond Diary” as remixed and played live by EF, CF, and Paul Haslinger(?). Virtually untouched from the 1987 concerts! [5AS] Edgar is really making me do my research on these vintage tracks, pulling out SOD, EO, and other CDRs, etc.! 9. Southend Mill (1985 unused LeParc soundtrack piece) I listened to the whole Antique Dreams CD without looking at the tracklist, to see what my reactions would be. So it’s no wonder that I sat listening to this track puzzled! My first guess was that Edgar had indeed invented a track for Antique Dreams. From the liner notes, this is “composed and performed by Edgar Froese at Eastgate Studios Vienna—originally planned to be part of the LeParc production”. So this is one of those “based on the idea for an original track whose original version we will never hear”. Oh well, you can hear the 1985 concepts and the year 2000 concepts on top. It’s amazing the old and new ideas, how they are so drastically different. This would sound at home on LeParc or Oasis. Anyway, it’s nice to have material we’ve never heard before. [3.5AS] ** Anyone have a copy of the original 1987 Zoning soundtrack? E-mail me off-list! 10. Cool breeze of Brighton 1986 (Vermillion Sands) Three words to describe this! VERMILLION SANDS, UNTOUCHED!!! There is NOTHING missing, even the wonderful guitar solo by Edgar and bassline are there. Is it possible to give a 6AS? [5AS] 11. Phaedra of Nottingham 1990 (Phaedra 86 + part of Livemiles track 2) If you have heard the version of Phaedra on Tangents, or you have Valentine Wheels (Classic Set, right?) then you have essentially heard this. The decending drum sequence (used heavily on Miracle Mile) has been emphasized. Another surprise! This contains the first 45 seconds of the second Albuquerque track of Livemiles. This can’t be 1990, because it is almost identical to 23:29-28:20 of Spherical Harmonics (1986). [4AS] 12. House of the Rising Sun 1988 New Orleans Ok, a tangentized version of a remixed [**] cover of an original song! Maybe this recording is accurate to the New Orleans concert, but I don’t like the boys choir sounds as much as the one on the EO version. They’re too subdued. I mean, the boys choir was the LEAD of the track before and now it’s a background. Now, this track sounds like a lot of chiefs and no indians, nothing leading the track. Some melody has been added—it’s vintage but noticable. I guess it’s Edgar’s prerogative to remix things as he sees fit, but as a listener, I like the other version MUCH better. There is some *obvious* Tangentization at the end, cause it trails off 3 seconds after the song fades out. For those who have not heard this track, it is one of the few really “cheery” tracks TD has played, such as Dominion and Cinnamon Road. 2AS (original version 3.5AS) Well, TD has produced the first [**1990's/2000's] CD that EVERY diehard Tangerine Dream fan should buy! Edgar still changed a few bits around here and there, and did the usual surgery on a few tracks, but it’s obvious he either ran out of time and *couldn’t* make changes to some tracks, or he has heeded the lists cries for hands-free releasing. Tracks 1,2,3,7,8,10 and 12 did not go under the scalpel and I’m just sitting here--a drooling gibbering mess. I am anxious to hear other people’s responses to Antique Dreams; I know I’m going to play it until my CD player blows up. Yours Overjoyed, Morgan___________________________________________________________ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 4:25 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance' > > if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name >on > > the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time. > > > >Some people put their own compostions on napster with popular group info >and titles just to get people to listen to them. You get what you pay for. I guess so! :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 4:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance' >if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name on >the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time. I did. I even saw 'Tubular Bells - Tangerine Dream' ! ___________________________________________ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ Darryl Sloan http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan | http://www.DarrylSloan.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'Darryl Sloan' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] bootleg track listings? > > Can anyone offer some tracks listings? > >Visit http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm Cheers! Just what I needed. ___________________________________________ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ Darryl Sloan http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan | http://www.DarrylSloan.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance' > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > > > Some people put their own compostions on napster with popular group info > and titles just to get people to listen to them. You get what > you pay for. Yeah and a lot of people send messages to this mailing list with the info that they are no. 1 at the MP3.com TOP40 of Electronic Music and that they have got a track called 'Tribute to Tangerine Dream'... Don't know about you but for me reading this info they reach the opposite of what they want. :-) Marcel From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream thanks Klaus for the great explanation. now i see it in a whole new light. i had just presumed that these were made by extreme fans. tom -- On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:47:11 Klaus Beschorner wrote: >>a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be >>prudent to make sure that it held just TD content. > >Tom, what makes you think that ? > >Most bootleg producers are in it for the money, nothing else. > >I presume that the maker of Phaedream got his hands on a >tape that was marked 'TD London 1975', and that had the >Neuronium track on it as a filler. My best bet would be >that he never even knew it was something different, >and didn't give a rat's ass, anyway. > >The cesspool that turned up Phaedream used to announce >20-40 bootleg CDs a month, literally ranging from Abba >to Zappa. No way he (they) are experts/fans of all >these groups. > >cheers, >klaus > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:46 am Subject: Re: Astrophobia? Bleh.. >>I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like >>it's cut & paste >I've heard this criticism before, but the only album that ever really struck >me that was 'Lily on the Beach.' Everything just sounds the same on it, and >is totally unmemorable. But that was a long time ago. >Darryl Sloan Funny, after few plays Lily became one of my favourites. I agree that there are some forgettable tracks in there, maybe because of the quantity - 13 tracks. Tracks like Gecko maybe could be discarded. But there are many great tracks in LOTB, like Valley of the Kings (which is my favourite in this album), THFMChinchilla, and Crystal Curfew. I always wanted to buy Mars, and now with all the polemics I'm really looking forward to it. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:43 am Subject: Quinoa Question The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25043 Re: Quinoa Question Feldon Feldon Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25099 Quinoa Question Klaus Beschorner Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25133 Re: Quinoa Question Jim Rasmussen Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB 25134 Re: Quinoa Question Klaus Beschorner Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:43 am Subject: OT: Ozrics in Cleveland Hi all-- Since it seems as though at least three others on this list are planning to attend tomorrow's Ozric Tentacles show in Cleveland, I should probably mention that I'll be there too. If for some reason you care to identify me, I'll most likely be wearing my Seven Letters from Tibet T-shirt (though if it's too cold I may have a Mount Union College sweatshirt instead). Hope to see you there. --Daniel From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa Question The Cave is one of Tangerine Dream's studios. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Rek Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:32 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Quinoa Question The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc? 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 3:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream Hey Tom, how much is that CD worth now? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream > thanks Klaus for the great explanation. now i see it in a whole new light. i had just presumed that these were made by extreme fans. > tom > -- > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:47:11 Klaus Beschorner wrote: > >>a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be > >>prudent to make sure that it held just TD content. > > > >Tom, what makes you think that ? > > > >Most bootleg producers are in it for the money, nothing else. > > > >I presume that the maker of Phaedream got his hands on a > >tape that was marked 'TD London 1975', and that had the > >Neuronium track on it as a filler. My best bet would be > >that he never even knew it was something different, > >and didn't give a rat's ass, anyway. > > > >The cesspool that turned up Phaedream used to announce > >20-40 bootleg CDs a month, literally ranging from Abba > >to Zappa. No way he (they) are experts/fans of all > >these groups. > > > >cheers, > >klaus > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:24 am Subject: Re : [tadream] i-Box Just one extra observation, there are in fact three 'untangentised' tracks on the set (i.e. original album versions), not one as I said before. Paul ---------- >De�: Antonio Nunes >� : tadream@egroups.com >Objet�: Re: [tadream] i-Box >Date�: Mar 14 nov 2000 20:08 > > > > Paul Fellows wrote: >> >> Some observations about the i-box: >> [...] >> You can of course find out more on my site at the following address: >> >> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html > > Thanks Paul! Your message and your site have just answered to all the > questions I was going to ask about the i-box. Thanks again. > > Antonio Nunes > > np: The 7 Letters from Tibet > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25049 Re : [tadream] i-Box Paul Fellows Wed 11/15/2000 4 KB 25068 Re: Re : [tadream] i-Box Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 4 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 9:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream hey Frank, it's value hasn't changed. it is still worth whatever someone else will pay for it. :-) On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:08:12 Frank Arellano wrote: > >Hey Tom, how much is that CD worth now? :-) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Andreas Hedler' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:36 am Subject: Re: i-Box --- In tadream@egroups.com, Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > Paul Fellows wrote: > > > > Some observations about the i-box: > > [...] > > You can of course find out more on my site at the following address: > > > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html > > Thanks Paul! Your message and your site have just answered to all the > questions I was going to ask about the i-box. Thanks again. > > Antonio Nunes > > np: The 7 Letters from Tibet Hi Antonio, if you want to buy the i-box be sure that there are NO new tracks on it! Also the so called unreleased live tracks from the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling phase are only tangentised studio tracks! Even the Perth concert is not live! It was cut from already known studio material! Best wishes, Andreas From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 6:48 pm Subject: technical question: CDR-90 Hi all, a technical question: has any of you tried the new 90-min CDRs for audio purposes ? I've ordered a few, and my burner is compatible with them, but I'm wondering about the readability in 'normal' audio equipment. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25178 Re: technical question: CDR-90 Phil Wingfield Thu 11/23/2000 2 KB 25180 Re: technical question: CDR-90 Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/24/2000 3 KB 25179 Re: technical question: CDR-90 Totta Rydqvist Thu 11/23/2000 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 7:51 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] i-Box Hi all, This is a rather surprising reaction. I don't know what anyone else with a copy of the i-Box thinks, but there are certainly live tracks in this set that were previously unavailable. As to whether they are only Tangentised studio tracks however, I doubt this, although it's undeniable that this has often been the case in the past. I didn't just throw the information together in a haphazard way, I spent an afternoon going through it track by track, pulling out the original tracks to make the comparisons (even comparing track times), and I think the information given is pretty accurate. Any thoughts from anyone out there? Paul ---------- >De�: 'Andreas Hedler' >� : tangerinedream@egroups.com >Objet�: [tangerinedream] Re: i-Box >Date�: Mer 15 nov 2000 12:27 > > Hi Paul, > did you listen carefully to the so called unreleased live > tracks (especially the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling ones)? > They are all only the stuio recordings tangentised as also the > whole Sohoman was! > As far as I can see there are NO new tracks on that sh.. > 6-CD-box! > Andreas > > --- In tangerinedream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows' > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Some observations about the i-box: >> >> The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan') >> >> There is in fact unreleased live material on discs 4, 5 and > 6, not just on 5 >> and 6 as previously stated on the TDI site >> >> The track times given on the sleeve are very inaccurate >> >> The Perth live set on CD 6 is stated as being two tracks, > but it actually >> plays as only one continuous track, and the transition > between the two is >> very badly edited (it sounds like the record jumped!) >> >> There are three tracks which were only previously available > on the >> 'Tangents' box set >> >> One studio track has not been 'Tangentised', namely 'Cliffs > of Sydney', the >> last track on disc 3, it's the same as the original album > version. The >> majority of the other studio tracks were previously > available on 'Tangents' >> or 'The Dream Roots Collection'. >> >> You can of course find out more on my site at the following > address: >> >> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html >> >> Paul > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25068 Re: Re : [tadream] i-Box Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 4 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 7:58 pm Subject: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... doin' a bit o' shoppin' on-line, decide that i need to hop on over to amazon.com and (because they know my hidden desires) the front page is geared towards me... and what does it read: Paul Haslinger: Score Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream in the mid-1980s, but while that German synth band cranks along like an alien Edsel that doesn't realize its time has gone, Haslinger has been building a catalog of cutting-edge music that will take us into the next millennium. it goes on to blow PH's horn... the rephew is by a one John Diliberto... an alien Edsel? what the hell kind of image is that... ? Edsel is about as american as you can get... strange reference for a German band, no? and the reason the Edsel was a flop was because it was nothing special, just your all around regular car... so what it is the alien version... your all around regular interstellar jalopy? sigh... gimme the days when men were men and critics THOUGHT before posting... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25052 Re: Damn, that's harsh... Joe Shoults Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25053 Re: Damn, that's harsh... spawnofcthulhu@w... Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25054 Re: Damn, that's harsh... j.gordon Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25056 Re: Damn, that's harsh... Feldon Feldon Wed 11/15/2000 3 KB 25057 Re: Damn, that's harsh... Feldon Feldon Wed 11/15/2000 3 KB 25059 Re: Damn, that's harsh... Antonio Nunes Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25082 Re: Damn, that's harsh... Nigelsan@a... Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25083 Re: Damn, that's harsh... Nigelsan@a... Fri 11/17/2000 1 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] technical question: CDR-90 I haven't tried them, but I would guess you would have the same problems as you would reading a disk that is overburned- it will just gag when it gets out to the outer part of the CD on a non-compatible player. only a guess. JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > a technical question: has any of you tried the new 90-min CDRs > for audio purposes ? I've ordered a few, and my burner is > compatible with them, but I'm wondering about the readability > in 'normal' audio equipment. > > cheers, > klaus > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... well, not that I agree with him, but Mr. Diliberto is well reknowned as a New Age/Ambient/Electronic music critic and DJ, with enough experience (one would presume) to know to think before posting. I doubt he did not deliberate his post! haha > -----Original Message----- ... > it goes on to blow PH's horn... the rephew is by a one John > Diliberto... > . > From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... >an alien Edsel? what the hell kind of >image is that... ? Edsel is about as >american as you can get... strange >reference for a German band, no? In America, a reference to the Edsel is usually meant to imply that something is way out of date. Kinda like dinosaurs and quick, easy elections. Mike From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... > In America, a reference to the Edsel is usually meant to imply that > something is way out of date. Kinda like dinosaurs and quick, easy > elections. > Mike actually, the reference to Edsel is a reference to something that is a flop or a failure, as opposed to out of date... when Ford was hyping this car, they were saying it was going to be the next best thing to sex... and faster... people were ready, they were drooling for this car to be released... and when it came out and they found out that it had four tires and a steering wheel, just like every other car, the public was disappointed with a capital D... the car never sold but a handful, and is recorded as one of the biggest auto failures of the century... so i ask you, is this a good allusion?... i think not, for several different reasons... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From: Roger Hartopp Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:51 pm Subject: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome Hello everyone. Sorry I seem to have neglected the 'Top 10' tracks by Edgar & Jerome (and thank you Frank for keeping an eye on the first votes!) I'll remind everyone the criteria for voting in this poll for Radio Rak a little later (when I basically get some time) and I'll begin to start totting up the points, along with Frank. And I'll post my top ten a little later (I must admit I haven't thought about it...) We had 35 folks voting for the last poll (best albums) - let's see if we can better that. Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Um. An Edsel, as far as I know, refers to a product that nobody wants, especially a pet project (Edsel was named after Ford's wife right?). 90's TD is largely Edsels to be real honest. -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:30 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... >an alien Edsel? what the hell kind of >image is that... ? Edsel is about as >american as you can get... strange >reference for a German band, no? In America, a reference to the Edsel is usually meant to imply that something is way out of date. Kinda like dinosaurs and quick, easy elections. Mike eGroups Sponsor PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net__________________________________________________________\ _ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... I don't listen to critics or even general consensus. I went to the 'best Margarita place in town'. I wouldn't send enemies there. -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:18 PM To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Subject: RE: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... well, not that I agree with him, but Mr. Diliberto is well reknowned as a New Age/Ambient/Electronic music critic and DJ, with enough experience (one would presume) to know to think before posting. I doubt he did not deliberate his post! haha > -----Original Message----- .. > it goes on to blow PH's horn... the rephew is by a one John > Diliberto... > . > eGroups Sponsor PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net__________________________________________________________\ _ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 9:42 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box > The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan') What if they were actually refering to LAN (network), but again LAN would be spelled with capital letters. Just a thought Jan From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... 'j.gordon' quoted amazon.com: > Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream in the mid-1980s, but while that > German synth band cranks along like an alien Edsel that doesn't realize its > time has gone (...) That's funny, amazon.com is also selling Tangerine Dream CDs! How can they sell albums from a band that 'cranks along like an alien Edsel that doesn't realize its time has gone'? Of course the answer is $$$ Antonio Nunes np: Antique Dreams From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box So they misspelled it No Man's Land on the 1982 Hyperborea release? ----- Original Message ----- From: Pergamon Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:48 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box > The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan') What if they were actually refering to LAN (network), but again LAN would be spelled with capital letters. Just a thought Jan eGroups Sponsor PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net__________________________________________________________\ _ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25071 SV: [tadream] i-Box Pergamon Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:07 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... >That's funny, amazon.com is also selling Tangerine Dream CDs! How can >they sell albums from a band that 'cranks along like an alien Edsel that >doesn't realize its time has gone'? Of course the answer is $$$ >Antonio Nunes Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much.... glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25062 Re: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Antonio Nunes Wed 11/15/2000 2 KB 25063 Re: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Jared White Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB 25065 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh odean@m... Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25066 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh Jared White Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25069 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB 25064 dilliberto Michael A Jean Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:54 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Glenn Folkvord wrote: > > Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much.... Probably TD don't sell much at Amazon, but look at the latest best sales top 10 chart from Groove: 1: Tangerine Dream - I-Box (6CD) 2: Tangerine Dream - Stereolight (12') 3: Tangerine Dream - Astrophobia (red supernova remix) (12') 4: Tangerine Dream - Meng tian (Smart Machine remix) (12') 5: Sueno Latino - Sueno latino (CD-S) 6: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Freeze framez (12') 7: Namlook & Jenssen, Geir - Fires of Ork 2 (CD) 8: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Serenely confident (12') 9: Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow (CD) 10: Synergy - Audion (CD) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25063 Re: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Jared White Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB 25065 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh odean@m... Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25066 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh Jared White Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25069 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 4:05 am Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Hi, folks, Antonio Nunes wrote: > > Glenn Folkvord wrote: > > > > Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much.... > > Probably TD don't sell much at Amazon, but look at the latest best > sales top 10 chart from Groove: > > 1: Tangerine Dream - I-Box (6CD) > 2: Tangerine Dream - Stereolight (12') > 3: Tangerine Dream - Astrophobia (red supernova remix) (12') > 4: Tangerine Dream - Meng tian (Smart Machine remix) (12') > 5: Sueno Latino - Sueno latino (CD-S) > 6: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Freeze framez (12') > 7: Namlook & Jenssen, Geir - Fires of Ork 2 (CD) > 8: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Serenely confident (12') > 9: Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow (CD) > 10: Synergy - Audion (CD) Wow, there are several aspects of this top ten list that surprise me. First of all, it looks like there must still be a lot of people out there with turntables! (Well, maybe all the DJs are buying those singles....) Secondly, I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great album (I think my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular right now. Any other big Synergy fans out there? Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25065 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh odean@m... Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25066 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh Jared White Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25069 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 4:17 am Subject: RE:dilliberto He wrote many positive articles and interviews with TD in the past...Hr must have been a fan at one time...I used to try alot of stuff he recommended, but our tastes have diverged significantly in the past 6 or 7 years... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:glenn@f...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:07 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... > > > >That's funny, amazon.com is also selling Tangerine Dream CDs! How can > >they sell albums from a band that 'cranks along like an alien Edsel that > >doesn't realize its time has gone'? Of course the answer is $$$ > >Antonio Nunes > > Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much.... > > glenn > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: odean@m... Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 7:27 am Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh... At 08:05 PM 11/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >Secondly, >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great album (I think >my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular right now. Any >other big Synergy fans out there? > >Jared Right here dude! Just saw him live a few weeks ago! Later, Oscar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25066 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh Jared White Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB 25069 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 5:10 am Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh... > -----Original Message----- > From: odean@m... [mailto:odean@m...] > >Secondly, > >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great > album (I think > >my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular > right now. Any > >other big Synergy fans out there? > > > >Jared > > Right here dude! Just saw him live a few weeks ago! Who, Larry Fast? What's he up to these days? Man, it'd be awesome if he'd release a new Synergy album. The time is ripe! Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25069 Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy Andreas Hedler Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 7:54 am Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Antonio, >Probably TD don't sell much at Amazon, but look at the latest best >sales top 10 chart from Groove: Groove is an electronic music mail order company so obviously their sales chart will reflect that TD has released something new. What is also interesting to note is that their sales chart change very much from week to week, so this means TD sold alot THIS week because they got something new - everyone ordered it - but we dont know what happens next week. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new release now) www.egroups.com/group/pspusers www.egroups.com/group/reviewtalk From: 'Andreas Hedler' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:03 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] i-Box Hi, if you think so, that wil be O.K. for you! For me the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling live tracks don't sound like really new live tracks. And the rest of the box is redundant. Nevertheless enjoy it! Andreas --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a rather surprising reaction. I don't know what anyone else with a > copy of the i-Box thinks, but there are certainly live tracks in this set > that were previously unavailable. As to whether they are only Tangentised > studio tracks however, I doubt this, although it's undeniable that this has > often been the case in the past. > > I didn't just throw the information together in a haphazard way, I spent an > afternoon going through it track by track, pulling out the original tracks > to make the comparisons (even comparing track times), and I think the > information given is pretty accurate. > > Any thoughts from anyone out there? > > Paul > > ---------- > >De�: 'Andreas Hedler' > >� : tangerinedream@egroups.com > >Objet�: [tangerinedream] Re: i-Box > >Date�: Mer 15 nov 2000 12:27 > > > > > Hi Paul, > > did you listen carefully to the so called unreleased live > > tracks (especially the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling ones)? > > They are all only the stuio recordings tangentised as also the > > whole Sohoman was! > > As far as I can see there are NO new tracks on that sh.. > > 6-CD-box! > > Andreas > > > > --- In tangerinedream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows' > > wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Some observations about the i-box: > >> > >> The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan') > >> > >> There is in fact unreleased live material on discs 4, 5 and > > 6, not just on 5 > >> and 6 as previously stated on the TDI site > >> > >> The track times given on the sleeve are very inaccurate > >> > >> The Perth live set on CD 6 is stated as being two tracks, > > but it actually > >> plays as only one continuous track, and the transition > > between the two is > >> very badly edited (it sounds like the record jumped!) > >> > >> There are three tracks which were only previously available > > on the > >> 'Tangents' box set > >> > >> One studio track has not been 'Tangentised', namely 'Cliffs > > of Sydney', the > >> last track on disc 3, it's the same as the original album > > version. The > >> majority of the other studio tracks were previously > > available on 'Tangents' > >> or 'The Dream Roots Collection'. > >> > >> You can of course find out more on my site at the following > > address: > >> > >> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html > >> > >> Paul > > > > > > > > > > From: 'Andreas Hedler' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:21 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy Larry Fast's homepage (http://synergy-emusic.com/) states: 'It looks like the next new Synergy album will have to be put off even a little longer (sorry). For the next few months I'll be working with Walt Disney Imagineering to create several hours of new music mixes for the Port Discovery area of the new DisneySea park being built near Tokyo. There will be new Synergy music heard inside and outside of buildings in this part of the park as well as music connected to one of the water ride attractions that will be visible throughout the Port Discovery village. Imagineering plans to tie together the music with the movements of the rides and kinetic visual details of the park. Other well-known electronic composers will also be contributing to DisneySea. It is unknown right now whether Disney will release the music on CD, but if we find out about availability at some later date we'll post the information here.' Andreas --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Jared White' wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: odean@m... [mailto:odean@m...] > > > >Secondly, > > >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great > > album (I think > > >my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular > > right now. Any > > >other big Synergy fans out there? > > > > > >Jared > > > > Right here dude! Just saw him live a few weeks ago! > > Who, Larry Fast? What's he up to these days? Man, it'd be awesome if he'd > release a new Synergy album. The time is ripe! > > Regards, > > Jared From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:27 am Subject: Quinoa Questio >The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live >at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any >experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc? Vic, do you have a different 'Quinoa', or was that just a Freudian slide ;-) My original sais: 'recorded at the cave, berlin'. So does the TDI release. Nothing about 'live', so I presume this (without being sure!) to be a studio. The 'Live at the Cave, Berlin' quote is from the cover of 'Mystery Tracks', and who knows where else... ;-) ;-) ;-) klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25088 Re: Quinoa Questio Vic Rek Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25091 Re: Quinoa Questio Feldon Feldon Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25096 Re: Quinoa Questio Jim Rasmussen Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:40 am Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box > Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > > So they misspelled it No Man's Land on the 1982 Hyperborea release? OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSS!!!! big blunder. Hehe my mistake. Who on earth can remember all the tracktitles anyway!!!! Dooooohhhh!! Jan From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:50 am Subject: opinion needed hi vic, first let me say that i love the Bernd Kistenmacher cdr. it was in my player all the way to the Tenn. border. please also tell Natasha that i bought a loaf of the bakeries sour dough and black olive bread and some of their fine coffee and it was excellent on both counts. now to the question: i ordered the I-box direct from TDI. now i am wondering if i should buy the advance vinyl package of DM 3 for $50.00 even though i probably would never play them due to the fact that you have to lift off the platter of my turntable and position the belt on another pulley to play in the 45 rpm mode. due to the low number being printed i am thinking that i would always make a profit in the future since they are only $50.00. what do you think? also i am thinking of getting the I-box t-shirt. how many of the above items have you ordered? :) tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25073 opinion needed tom george Thu 11/16/2000 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:54 am Subject: opinion needed jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz sorry folks......obviously this was meant for Vic privately. thats what i get for trying to send messages when i have been up all night and at work for the last 12 hours. tom hi vic, Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:54 am Subject: Groove's top 10 >Wow, there are several aspects of this top ten list that surprise me. First >of all, it looks like there must still be a lot of people out there with >turntables! (Well, maybe all the DJs are buying those singles....) Secondly, >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! As long as there are no actual sales numbers attached to the list, the 12'-singles might well take top ranks with four sales to hardcore collectors, who need everything, even without a turntable ;-) Groove is not Virgin Megastores... klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25098 Re: Groove's top 10 Kees Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box Apparently, our uncle Eddie must be doing the proof reading :-) That's not really intended to be a put down, ,just a joke, because I couldn't do any better. I'm not fluent in two languages either :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Pergamon' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box > > The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan') > > What if they were actually refering to LAN (network), but again LAN would be > spelled with capital letters. > > Just a thought > > Jan > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:05 am Subject: [tadream] OT - Help with PF hello, hello! totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i thought i'd start here: i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who: a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player... please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade... THANKS! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25079 Re: OT - Help with PF Feldon Feldon Thu 11/16/2000 3 KB 25084 Re: OT - Help with PF Joel Mullen Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB 25089 Re: OT - Help with PF Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 7:45 pm Subject: I-Box Pricing This news comes too late for those of you who have already ordered the I-Box through the TDI site, but the set's price continues to fall on the websites of major online retailers. CDNow and CD Universe both now have it for around $32.50, and using coupons available at http://cdshopper.cjb.net/ pretty much covers the cost of shipping. At this rate, I think I may cave in and get it after all. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25251 Re: I-Box Pricing Feldon Feldon Sat 12/2/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:39 pm Subject: Slightly Off Topic Just wanted to make a recommendation for everyone to try out David Wright's 'Three Six Zero' CD. I've found it to be definitely one of the better CD's that I've bought this year and I've bought a lot too! It's got 15 tracks on it with *over 80 minutes* of some great melodic music. It even has some excellent vocals on it too. Well, I gotta go. Gotta see what my beautiful little girl is getting into now :-) I'm playing Mr. Mom today. PURE JOY my little girl is :-D She looks just like dad too! :-) No way of my wife being able to forget my face, even though I'm sure she would like to sometimes . ~LMAO~ Frank Arellano From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 6:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Help with PF You can't 'record onto CDR from DVD'. Typical DVD movie is 4.7 gigs. And VCD (in case you were thinking of that) is worse than VHS quality. Time to search eBay man. -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: j.gordon Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:17 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] OT - Help with PF hello, hello! totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i thought i'd start here: i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who: a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player... please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade... THANKS! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ eGroups Sponsor PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net__________________________________________________________\ _ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:54 am Subject: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a longer CDR? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25081 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Vince LeGrand Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB 25085 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Joel Mullen Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25086 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Vince LeGrand Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25087 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Joel Mullen Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB 25090 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25100 SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Pergamon Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB 25105 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Marcel Engels Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB 25092 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 TDI - Martin K. Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB 25102 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 -----Original Message----- From: Scott To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:51 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 >OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a >longer CDR? > >Scott > > Scott, When you start dragging songs to the target window to be burned onto the CDR, the program keeps track of elapsed time of all songs. When it gets to 74 minutes, it starts to show how many minutes over 74 you are. So, if you select 78 minutes of songs, it shows you are over by 4 minutes. I have no experience with 90 minute CDR's, but if you have an 80 minute CDR in the drive, it will happily go along and burn the full 78 minutes of songs onto the CDR. I have never had to do anything in the software to tell it that an 80 minute disk is in the drive. Vince From: Nigelsan@a... Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... j gorgon wrote 'when Ford was hyping this car, they were saying it was going to be the next best thing to sex... and faster...' WHY would you want sex to be faster?????? just a thought! I might buy the box 6 cd's for $50 -------seems a deal. cheers nigel From: Nigelsan@a... Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh... Um Edsel was henry ford's son, I think From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:21 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Help with PF I am sure he is just looking to record the SOUND to CD-R (on some movies you can isolate most of the soundtrack to CD-R by recording only the front two speaker outputs from a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack (elimitating most effects and reducining dialog by not recording the center channel) On Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:48 PM, Feldon Feldon [SMTP:feldon23@h...] wrote: > You can't 'record onto CDR from DVD'. Typical DVD movie is 4.7 gigs. And VCD (in case you were thinking of that) is worse than VHS quality. Time to search eBay man. > > -Morgan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j.gordon > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:17 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT - Help with PF > > > hello, hello! > > totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i > thought i'd start here: > > i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who: > > a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who > b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player... > > please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade... > > THANKS! > > j.gordon > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > eGroups Sponsor > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net__________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:25 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 VInce what program do you use to burn CD-Rs? > From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 -----Original Message----- From: Joel Mullen To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 >VInce what program do you use to burn CD-Rs? >> > I'm just using the Adaptec Easy CD Creator software that was included with my HP CD writer. I went to the Adaptec web site and downloaded the latest version of it. But, it is the just the limited functionality version that they distribute with the drive. It's not fancy, but my requirements are simple and it does the job. From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 4:03 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 I am have updated my Adaptec Easy CD Creator as much as I can without paying more for it (I have 3.5 I think) You probably have 4.0 or better. The only way I can go over 74 min is to create a disc image first and then create the CD from the image. (going through a few hoops to do so too) Sorry for the OT thread BTW On Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:50 PM, Vince LeGrand [SMTP:vince-l@e...] wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Mullen > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:26 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 > > > >VInce what program do you use to burn CD-Rs? > >> > > > I'm just using the Adaptec Easy CD Creator software that was included with > my HP CD writer. I went to the Adaptec web site and downloaded the latest > version of it. But, it is the just the limited functionality version that > they distribute with the drive. It's not fancy, but my requirements are > simple and it does the job. > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa Questio Klaus Beschorner wrote: > > >The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live > >at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any > >experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc? > > Vic, > > do you have a different 'Quinoa', or was that just a Freudian > slide ;-) You're most likely correct - I was just curious if this was in front of a group of people. But what does playing 'live' these days really entail? Maybe I should not ask this question? ;-) Vic From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Help with PF As far as I know Delicate sound of Thunder has not yet been released on DVD yet but is coming in the near future along with Pompeii. For the latest and most accurate info on PF go to: http://www.pinkfloyd-co.com/mast_idx.html THE HIGHLANDER At 03:05 AM 11/16/00 -0800, you wrote: >hello, hello! > >totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i >thought i'd start here: > >i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who: > >a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who >b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player... > >please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade... > >THANKS! > >j.gordon > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it is your CD Burner. I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner CO. and find out. THE HIGHLANDER At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a >longer CDR? > >Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25100 SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Pergamon Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB 25105 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Marcel Engels Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa Questio I'd swear I've seen at least one TDI album describe itself as 'recorded Live' which it was a studio album, and it wasn't Quinoa. Morgan >From: Vic Rek > >Klaus Beschorner wrote: > > > > >The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at >'Live > > >at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and >any > > >experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25096 Re: Quinoa Questio Jim Rasmussen Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 9:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 At 00:11 17.11.00 -0500, you wrote: > It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it is your CD >Burner. >I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they >said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner >CO. and find out. > > THE HIGHLANDER > > Dear Robert, that�s a wrongo, methinks ;-) I�ve been using a HP-burner (2 x writing speed) for 2 1/2 years and it has no trouble with 80 min. CD- R�s. You just need the right software. I am using WinOn CD 3.7 and Nero on my respective systems and it works perfectly. Both programs will automatically recognize an 80 min. CD- R, btw. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25102 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 10:03 am Subject: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome Okay, I'm now going to give this chart my full attention. On Friday 15 December Radio Rak in Poland will broadcast fans' all-time favourite tracks recorded during the Edgar & Jerome period. So, select your ten favourite TD tracks recorded by Edgar & Jerome (and friends) since 1991, in ONE TO TEN order please. Mark your posting `Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome'. A few pointers: 1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which album (or which mix) it is. 2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991 don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set) 3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material. 4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994, `Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda. 5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD album, so all tracks on here may be included. Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points; number two given nine points, and so on down to number ten, which will receive one point. For lists posted `in no particular order', tracks will be counted as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending how you look at it), as each track will share the total points available from one to ten between them, hence each track will receive 5.5 points each. For this chart, we really need as many of you as possible to vote as we obviously have considerably more votes to spread around Edgar & Jerome's tracks than the total number of TD albums which were voted for in the last chart. That said, here's my top ten: 1 Comet's Figure Head (Mars Polaris) 2 Timesquare (What A Blast) 3 Firetongues (Dream Mixes 1) 4 Astrophobia (Mars Polaris) 5 Flashflood (Tournado) 6 Mobocoaster (Dream Mixes 2) 7 The Conspiracy (Zoning) 8 Sojus (Dream Mixes 1) 9 Towards the Evening Star (Dream Mixes 2) 10 Summer Storm (Oasis) However, I have one thought, and I need to gauge your thoughts on this. Say for example, if we get split votes for `Towards the Evening Star' (Goblins Club, Tournado and Dream Mixes Versions), should we combine them, and the version that gets the most votes will be the version that gets played (assuming it makes the Top ten), or should we keep them apart? Regards Roger Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25104 Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome Richard Ford Fri 11/17/2000 4 KB From: Bag Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:53 pm Subject: Your favourite dream Hello Dreamers, Here are complete results of your voting on my homepage: NOVEMBER'2000 ================================================= A B C D E ------------------------------------------------- 1. [ 1] Ricochet 212 62 2. [ 2] Poland 123 43 3. [ 4] Logos 121 35 4. [ 3] Stratosfear 117 31 5. [ 7] Mars Polaris 83 27 6. [ 5] Force Majeure 78 20 7. [ 6] Pergamon 73 21 8. [ 8] Encore 59 23 9. [ 9] Live Miles 58 20 10. [10] Tangram 54 18 ------------------------------------------------- 11. [12] Exit 48 20 12. [13] Melrose 45 15 13. [11] Hyperborea 42 12 14. [15] Rubycon 38 14 15. [14] White Eagle 35 13 16. [22] Phaedra 34 14 17. [15] 220 Volt 29 11 18. [15] Tyger 28 12 19. [19] Flashpoint 25 11 20. [18] Tournado 21 7 21. [20] Firestarter 17 5 22. [24] Goblins Club 16 6 23. [21] The Man Inside 16 4 24. [22] Underwater Sunlight 15 7 25. [33] Cyclone 13 5 26. [25] Valentine Wheels 12 4 27. [31] Alpha Centauri 10 2 28. [26] Green Desert 8 2 [26] Timesquare 8 2 30. [41] Le Parc 7 3 31. [28] Turn Of The Tides 6 2 32. [29] Lily On The Beach 5 3 [29] Dream Mixes 5 3 34. [31] Optical Race 5 1 [ N] 3 O'clock High 5 1 [ N] Rockoon 5 1 37. [33] Quinoa 4 2 [33] Sorcerer 4 2 [33] The Keep 4 2 40. [39] Electronic Meditation 3 3 41. [37] Atem 3 1 [ N] Destination Berlin 3 1 [ N] Miracle Mile 3 1 [37] Thief 3 1 45. [39] Great Wall Of China 2 2 [41] Oasis 2 2 47. [41] Canyon Dreams 1 1 [ N] Sohoman 1 1 [41] Transsiberia 1 1 [41] What A Blast 1 1 ================================================= [A-position][B-previous month][C-title] [D-points][E-votes] number of voters: 170 Regards Bag ---------------------- bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ---------------------- From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 HP's 'official' position is that 80 minute CDR media is not of high enough quality that they will officially support its use in their burners. However, my experience with my HP 9100 unit and 80 minute CDR's has been fine. Vince -----Original Message----- From: Robert Grabowsky To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 > It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it is your CD >Burner. >I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they >said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner >CO. and find out. > > THE HIGHLANDER > > >At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >>OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a >>longer CDR? >> >>Scott > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:09 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa Questio >Klaus Beschorner wrote: >The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at >'Liveat the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place >and= any experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc? I think I read somewhere that the gig took place at TD:s Berlin studio, with special invitations going out to members of the international fan- club, due to it�s demise; as a 'goodbye-present'. Were any of you guys there? I don�t think there were that many present. 150 maybe? All the best Jim Rasmussen, Sweden From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:16 pm Subject: Cover quest Hey all! When I got hold of my copy of the 'Time for Heroes' CD-single, the seller sent it without any backcover, only with booklet. When I mailed and 'complained', he never got back to me. Can I ask any of you to mail it to me as a decent JPG? If so, please use this address: jim.rasmussen@d... A year ago or so, there was a TD bootleg cover section located at xoom.com, but suddenly it was shut down. Are there any similar places nowadays, to your knowledge?? Cheers Jim, Sweden From: Kees Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove's top 10 At 11:54 16/11/2000 +0100, you wrote: > >Wow, there are several aspects of this top ten list that surprise me. First > >of all, it looks like there must still be a lot of people out there with > >turntables! (Well, maybe all the DJs are buying those singles....) Secondly, > >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! Audio was on sale last week so that always increases sales. >As long as there are no actual sales numbers attached to the list, >the 12'-singles might well take top ranks with four sales to hardcore >collectors, who need everything, even without a turntable ;-) > >Groove is not Virgin Megastores... You mean we're bigger? ;-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:44 pm Subject: Quinoa Question >I think I read somewhere that the gig took place at TD:s Berlin studio, >with special invitations going out to members of the international fan- >club, due to it�s demise; as a 'goodbye-present'. Were any of you guys >there? I don�t think there were that many present. 150 maybe? Thanks, Jim, for another totally unsubstantiated rumour ;-) Unless they conciously excluded the founding members of the TDIFC (and I know all of the single-digit-membership numbers) and have kept this concert a total secret until today - there is not even a grain of truth in your speculations. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25133 Re: Quinoa Question Jim Rasmussen Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Hello That is not entirely true. I have a burner as well, and got easy cd creator with it. When burning audio, I can't get it to recognize a 80 min disc. I called the company and they said it could. They said the software would recognize what type of disc was in the burner. But I have still not gotten Adaptecs software to recognize a 80 min. CD. Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It recognizes 80 min. and I have never had any problems with that. Jan > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...] > Sendt: 17. november 2000 06:12 > Til: tadream@egroups.com > Emne: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 > > > It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it > is your CD > Burner. > I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they > said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner > CO. and find out. > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote: > >OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a > >longer CDR? > > > >Scott > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25105 Re: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Marcel Engels Fri 11/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 >From: Joel Mullen > >I am have updated my Adaptec Easy CD Creator as much as I can >without paying more for it (I have 3.5 I think) You probably have 4.0 or >better. The only way I can go over 74 min is to create a disc image first >and then create the CD from the image. (going through a few hoops to >do so too) Sorry for the OT thread BTW Adaptec Easy Creator 3.x is crap. I highly suggest you get the latest version even if it means shelling out a little money. This is a failure of older Easy CD Creators. The new ones properly check for the sector count on blank discs which indicates 74, 80, or more minutes of recording space. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Thanks for the info I will check it out as I also have a 2X burner. >Dear Robert, > >that�s a wrongo, methinks ;-) I�ve been using a HP-burner (2 x writing >speed) for 2 1/2 years and it has no trouble with 80 min. CD- R�s. You just >need the right software. > >I am using WinOn CD 3.7 and Nero on my respective systems and it works >perfectly. Both programs will automatically recognize an 80 min. CD- R, btw. > > >Best regards, > >Martin K. >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >www.tdi-music-mall.de > >Have a nice day! > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 I agree; Nero really kicks ass all around. The first time you try to overburn with Nero it will pop up a warning that you could damage your CD writer by attempting to overburn- if that writer doesn't support it. This is maybe what Robert's talking about? I know mine overburns (Ricoh MP7040A), so I'm not worried about it. I'd also suggest reading the CDR tutorial that comes with Nero (a pdf on the disk), which is a great overview of all aspects the CD burning process. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI - Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:31 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 > > > At 00:11 17.11.00 -0500, you wrote: > > It is not the program that limits how much you can > record, it is your CD > >Burner. > >I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min > discs and they > >said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call > your burner > >CO. and find out. > > > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > > Dear Robert, > > that�s a wrongo, methinks ;-) I�ve been using a HP-burner (2 x writing > speed) for 2 1/2 years and it has no trouble with 80 min. CD- > R�s. You just > need the right software. > > I am using WinOn CD 3.7 and Nero on my respective systems and it works > perfectly. Both programs will automatically recognize an 80 > min. CD- R, btw > From: Richard Ford Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome I never seem to be able to connect. Is there still a problem??? In message <8v2vp6+kth5@e...>, Roger Hartopp writes >Okay, I'm now going to give this chart my full attention. On Friday >15 December Radio Rak in Poland will broadcast fans' all-time >favourite tracks recorded during the Edgar & Jerome period. >So, select your ten favourite TD tracks recorded by Edgar & Jerome >(and friends) since 1991, in ONE TO TEN order please. Mark your >posting `Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome'. > >A few pointers: > >1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which >album (or which mix) it is. > >2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991 >don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set) > >3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material. > >4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994, >`Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda. > >5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may >contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD >album, so all tracks on here may be included. > >Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points; number two given >nine points, and so on down to number ten, which will receive one >point. For lists posted `in no particular order', tracks will be >counted as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending how you look >at it), as each track will share the total points available from one >to ten between them, hence each track will receive 5.5 points each. > >For this chart, we really need as many of you as possible to vote as >we obviously have considerably more votes to spread around Edgar & >Jerome's tracks than the total number of TD albums which were voted >for in the last chart. > >That said, here's my top ten: > >1 Comet's Figure Head (Mars Polaris) >2 Timesquare (What A Blast) >3 Firetongues (Dream Mixes 1) >4 Astrophobia (Mars Polaris) >5 Flashflood (Tournado) >6 Mobocoaster (Dream Mixes 2) >7 The Conspiracy (Zoning) >8 Sojus (Dream Mixes 1) >9 Towards the Evening Star (Dream Mixes 2) >10 Summer Storm (Oasis) > >However, I have one thought, and I need to gauge your thoughts on >this. Say for example, if we get split votes for `Towards the Evening >Star' (Goblins Club, Tournado and Dream Mixes Versions), should we >combine them, and the version that gets the most votes will be the >version that gets played (assuming it makes the Top ten), or should >we keep them apart? > >Regards > >Roger > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > -- Richard Ford From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 7:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It > recognizes 80 > min. and I have never had any problems with that. Even better...get Nero and just a 74 minute CDR. And then overburn to 79 minutes. Did it a few times and no problems. Marcel http://jump.to/fsp mengels@w... From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 8:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome same here, and I'm on a T-1. I get to the page, and IF it loads, it takes forever, then equally sluggish on any links, so I abort. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ford [mailto:theroom@b...] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:26 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome > > > I never seem to be able to connect. Is there still a problem??? > > In message <8v2vp6+kth5@e...>, Roger Hartopp > >Okay, I'm now going to give this chart my full attention. On Friday > >15 December Radio Rak in Poland will broadcast fans' all-time From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 8:39 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Problem 1: Easy CD Creator versions before 4.0 Problem 2: HP/Phillips burners Talk amongst yourselves *smirk* -Morgan >From: 'Pergamon' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:18:34 +0100 > >Hello > > That is not entirely true. I have a burner as well, and got easy cd >creator with it. When burning audio, I can't get it to recognize a 80 min >disc. I called the company and they said it could. They said the software >would recognize what type of disc was in the burner. But I have still not >gotten Adaptecs software to recognize a 80 min. CD. > > Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It recognizes >80 >min. and I have never had any problems with that. > >Jan > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...] > > Sendt: 17. november 2000 06:12 > > Til: tadream@egroups.com > > Emne: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 > > > > > > It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it > > is your CD > > Burner. > > I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they > > said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner > > CO. and find out. > > > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > > > At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote: > > >OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a > > >longer CDR? > > > > > >Scott > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25121 Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR Phil Wingfield Sun 11/19/2000 2 KB 25138 Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR Feldon Feldon Mon 11/20/2000 3 KB 25143 Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR Joe Shoults Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 12:30 am Subject: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Hi, I just saw the following mentioned on Groove Unlimited's mailing list: |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May 2001. The book |will include a CD set with lots of new music from lots of well known |artists an some obscure tracks and some well known pieces as well. |it will be either a double or triple set. (Jim Brenholts, author) So, why did I forward this little nugget of wisdom here? Because it represents an opportunity for our boy Edgar to refute the notion that TD is a passe band of old farts who 'sold out and went New Age a long time ago.' How so? Well, he could contact this Brenholts guy, and talk to him about including an exclusive track to the CD -- which would force Brendholts to have some text devoted to TD if he hasn't done so already (and in the current climate of trendy electronica doo doo heads, this is a predictable omission). As far as credibility in today's market is concerned, TD doesn't have much and they need all the help they can get. Somebody e-mail TDI and tell 'em about this book! -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25135 Re: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Joe Shoults Mon 11/20/2000 4 KB 25140 Re: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Steven Feldman Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB 25139 Re: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Feldon Feldon Mon 11/20/2000 4 KB 25144 Re: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Joe Shoults Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB 25156 Re: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Klaus Beschorner Tue 11/21/2000 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:31 am Subject: Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome I notice that a few of you folks are including 'Melrose' tracks, which is part of the Edgar - Paul - Jerome period. We need to concentrate solely on Edgar & Jerome. J. Gordon & Gary Jenkins - can you update your lists? (Thanks Sean for sending me your list) As regards the problems regards receiving Radio Rak - I have mentioned it to them, but it might be an idea to bring it up on their guestbook at www.rak.krakow.pl Excuse: It is a student station, so all staff (including myself) are unpaid and don't always have the time to sort these things out, but the director... well, let's all write in on the guestbook and see if we can get the RealPlayer upgraded. It is for their own good (and for the sake of the music). Roger From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 4:07 pm Subject: Re.Revised Top Ten Sorry Roger Misread here is my revised list 1. Comet's Figure Head 2. Towards The Evening Star 3. Waterborne 4. San Rocco 5. Firetongues 6. Art of Destruction 7. Rising Haul in Silence 8. Bride in Cold Tears 9. Flashflood 10.Outland Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25148 Re: Re.Revised Top Ten Rimas Lazutka Tue 11/21/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome If you guys would rather not spend the exorbitant cash that Real wants for their crummy Real server, you could try Shoutcast. It has better sound quality than Real, with less bandwidth requirements, and the server and player are free, with the server daemon available on several versions of Linux, Windows 9x, NT, and Alpha. (www.shoutcast.com) -Morgan >From: 'Roger Hartopp' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:31:46 -0000 > >I notice that a few of you folks are including 'Melrose' tracks, >which is part of the Edgar - Paul - Jerome period. We need to >concentrate solely on Edgar & Jerome. > >J. Gordon & Gary Jenkins - can you update your lists? (Thanks Sean >for sending me your list) > >As regards the problems regards receiving Radio Rak - I have >mentioned it to them, but it might be an idea to bring it up on their >guestbook at www.rak.krakow.pl > >Excuse: It is a student station, so all staff (including myself) are >unpaid and don't always have the time to sort these things out, but >the director... well, let's all write in on the guestbook and see if >we can get the RealPlayer upgraded. It is for their own good (and for >the sake of the music). > >Roger > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Piotr Su�kowski II Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 7:19 pm Subject: Hello I am new Hello I am a new on the egroups and I come from Poland. I have been TD-fun just for almost 20 years. I have the big collection of live tracks of Tangerine Dream. I am able to create new covers, even to bootlegs, which don't exist. If anybody is interested to see my covers and my CD collection, you are welcome, my e-mail: sulas@p... I am very glad to join the group. Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium From: dellutri_1@a... Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 9:56 pm Subject: Cylcone,dialog Hello, Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk? I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to figure it out. Please help, George Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25115 Re: Cylcone,dialog Antonio Nunes Sat 11/18/2000 2 KB 25117 Re: Cylcone,dialog Phil Wingfield Sun 11/19/2000 2 KB 25125 Re: Cylcone,dialog Phil Wingfield Sun 11/19/2000 3 KB 25127 Re: Cylcone,dialog Antonio Nunes Sun 11/19/2000 2 KB 25128 Re: Cylcone,dialog Gustavo Jobim Sun 11/19/2000 2 KB 25142 Re: Cylcone,dialog Feldon Feldon Mon 11/20/2000 3 KB 25151 Re: Cylcone,dialog Frank Arellano Tue 11/21/2000 3 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:28 pm Subject: Discussion Week 62 - Sunday 19th November 2000 Well, this wraps up the weekly discussions on released studio, live, and soundtrack albums. This week it is the turn of the recent release 'The Seven Letters From Tibet'. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [The Seven Letters From Tibet]' when posting comments or reviews. Thanks to all the people that have contributed to the discussions over the last 62 weeks, and good luck to the host of the next round of discussions. Next week I will post the 'stats' from the discussion weeks. Best regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog dellutri_1@a... wrote: > > Hello, > Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on > the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk? > I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to > figure it out. Here it goes: 'When I talk to the trees O'great trees who have learned to speak slowly I know that they believe that they have an answer Then I walk in the city where I cannot hear it When I talk to the city I have already learned three answers before I call the question And slowly, I wish myself among trees but can not hear myself wishing When I talk to the people who are the trees that grow in the city they reply with a fond kindness, slowly but there is no answer for experience to be made by mistake' Antonio Nunes np: Cyclone From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 1:49 am Subject: Froese CDs on ebay Just a reminder, you can bid on the following EDGAR FROESE CDs on ebay now. AQUA AGES MACULA TRANSFER EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE PINNACLES STUNTMAN search word Tangerine Dream will bring them up. Thanks! From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 2:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog All I can make out is the line 'slowly but there is no answer' towards rthe end. Phil. > Hello, > Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on > the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk? > I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to > figure it out. From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 4:08 am Subject: Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax Here are my ten fave Eddy 'n' Jerry tracks, from most fave to less fave: 1) Comet's Figure Head (MARS POLARIS, 1999) 2) Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES, 1995) 3) Outland (The Colony) (MARS POLARIS, 1999) 4) Art of Destruction (WHAT A BLAST, 1999) 5) Digital Sister (TIMESQUARE, 1997) 6) Culpa Levis (TIMESQUARE, 1997) 7) Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, 1995) 8) Story of the Brave (TURN OF THE TIDES, 1994) 9) The Conspiracy (ZONING, 1996) 10) Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB, 1996) -- Steven Feldman From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 4:28 am Subject: Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix 1) Astrophobia 2) Virtually Fields 3) Catwalk (Dress-Up Mix from Dream Mixes) 4) Change of the Gods 5) Summer Storm 6) Cedar Breaks 7) Hamlet 8) Timesquare (N.Y. Brix Mix from What A Blast) 9) Jungle Journey (original version) 10) Firetongues (Break Freak Mix from Dream Mixes) ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25120 Re: Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix Steven Feldman Sun 11/19/2000 2 KB 25129 Re: Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix Gabe Yedid Sun 11/19/2000 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 5:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:28:33 -0500 Gabe Yedid said: >6) Cedar Breaks ?!? X-0 ;-) -- Steven Feldman From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:27 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 So what are the problems you guys are having with the adaptec 3.x software? From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Adaptec Easy Creator 3.x is crap. I highly suggest you get the latest version even if it means shelling out a little money. Works just fine for me. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 I have adaptec 4 (copy) if anyone wants it. I loaded it up and it all the file extensions for layouts, labels etc have changed and i can't get to my old files. I have gone back to 3.5c. So if anyone wants a copy of 4.0 and are in the UK, just send me your address. From: Joel Mullen > I am have updated my Adaptec Easy CD Creator as much as I can > without paying more for it (I have 3.5 I think) You probably have 4.0 or > better. The only way I can go over 74 min is to create a disc image first > and then create the CD from the image. (going through a few hoops to > do so too) Sorry for the OT thread BTW > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Can you overburn on adaptec? if so. where's the option? Or is that why it's crap (joshing) Even better...get Nero and just a 74 minute CDR. > And then overburn to 79 minutes. > Did it a few times and no problems. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog Antonio, Did you work that out for yourself or get the info from somewhere. If it is the former, I salute you. Phil. > > > dellutri_1@a... wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on > > the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk? > > I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to > > figure it out. > > Here it goes: > > 'When I talk to the trees > O'great trees who have learned to speak slowly > I know that they believe that they have an answer > Then I walk in the city where I cannot hear it > > When I talk to the city > I have already learned three answers > before I call the question > And slowly, I wish myself among trees > but can not hear myself wishing > > When I talk to the people > who are the trees that grow in the city > they reply with a fond kindness, slowly > but there is no answer > for experience to be made by mistake' > > Antonio Nunes > > np: Cyclone > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 I got Nero if anyone wants it too. It worked for a while for me and all of a sudden every disk i burnt failed. I'm sure it isn't the software. So , anyone want it, get me your address. Phil. Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It recognizes 80 min. and I have never had any problems with that. > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog Phil Wingfield wrote: > > Antonio, > > Did you work that out for yourself or get the info from somewhere. If it is > the former, I salute you. No, my ears are not that good, neither my English. Three years ago the TD official website had a lyrics section and I just saved it on my PC. BTW, the credits for the Cyclone lyrics transcription go to Chris (Microbe Maniac), Dave Datta, and Bob Pietkivitch, with clarifications compliments of Steve Joliffe himself (the man who talks to the trees :-)) Antonio Nunes From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Cylcone,dialog >> When I talk to the people >> who are the trees that grow in the city >> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly >> but there is no answer >> for experience to be made by mistake' Wow, everything sounds so clear now :) Just a little fix: it's actually 'When I talk to people', there's no 'the'. It's a cool intro, huh? I like Cyclone, but rarely play it. np Cyclone Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 11:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix >===== Original Message From Steven Feldman ===== >On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:28:33 -0500 Gabe Yedid said: >>6) Cedar Breaks > > ?!? > X-0 > ;-) > > -- Steven Feldman As difficult as it may be for you to believe and/or understand, Steven, there's at least one of us who really does like this much-maligned track from _Oasis_. Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:23 am Subject: Ground Liftaz site updated Hello all- The GL site has been updated with pictures (taken from a video tape) They also claim that approx. 250 people were there. Heiko is this a bit 'optimistic'? Also are you in any of the pictures?? Regards, Joel BTW I noticed they made sure they included pictures of a woman dancing. (the only one? under the influence ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25132 Re: Ground Liftaz site updated Heiko Heerssen Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:41 am Subject: new music: Somewhere between Canopus and Rigel Hi folks, new track in http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm : Somewhere between Canopus and Rigel. It's an unpretensious track, a solo of a sound I found when I was browsing the synth sounds. I liked the sound and recorded a track. It's a space music.It has certainly beautiful moments. I included a 0:45, 350 kbytes sample which gives a good example of what's in the track. The track is 6:44, 128 kbps/44.1 kHz. I'll appreciate any comments. Regards Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 7:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz site updated Joel Mullen wrote: > Hello all- > The GL site has been updated with pictures (taken from a video > tape) They also claim that approx. 250 people were there. Heiko is this > a bit 'optimistic'? Also are you in any of the pictures?? Hi! Well, the 'Kalkscheune' may hold 250 people, but really there were only 60-70 attendants when TDJ Rome played his set...if not even less. I just had a look at the pictures...on most of them it's hard to recognize anything at all. And I don't see anyone who wears a Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia)....so my answer is a) no, and b) GABBA GABBA HEY! ;-) Heiko From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 10:06 am Subject: Re: Quinoa Question --- In tadream@egroups.com, Klaus Beschorner wrote: > Thanks, Jim, for another totally unsubstantiated rumour ;-) > > Unless they conciously excluded the founding members of the TDIFC > (and I know all of the single-digit-membership numbers) and have > kept this concert a total secret until today - there is not even > a grain of truth in your speculations. Well, do you think I was out to make anyone angry? Sure, you could certainly call it 'speculations' since I�m writing out of memory and will have to dig for a few days to find the source for this. (No, it wasn�t a bootleg-cover.) But hey, I wasn�t aware of the TDIFC until it was closed down and I�m quite a few miles away from Berlin, so don�t kill the messenger... J From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 12:19 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa Question > Well, do you think I was out to make anyone angry? No, not at all, that's why there was a ;-) !!! It would be very nice if you could find the source in writing, especially the name of it's author. Just so we'll all know who's 'info' to take with the proper precautions... klaus From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... are you suggesting that Edgar call this guy up and command him to include TD info in this already-published book? > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:31 PM > To: Tangerine Dream mailing list > Subject: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... > > > Hi, > I just saw the following mentioned on Groove Unlimited's mailing > list: > > |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and > |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May 2001. The book > |will include a CD set with lots of new music from lots of well known > |artists an some obscure tracks and some well known pieces as well. > |it will be either a double or triple set. (Jim Brenholts, author) > > So, why did I forward this little nugget of wisdom here? Because > it represents an opportunity for our boy Edgar to refute the notion > that TD is a passe band of old farts who 'sold out and went New Age > a long time ago.' How so? Well, he could contact this Brenholts guy, > and talk to him about including an exclusive track to the CD -- which > would force Brendholts to have some text devoted to TD if he hasn't > done so already (and in the current climate of trendy electronica doo > doo heads, this is a predictable omission). > As far as credibility in today's market is concerned, TD doesn't > have much and they need all the help they can get. Somebody e-mail > TDI and tell 'em about this book! > > -- Steven Feldman > -- webmaster > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25140 Re: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Steven Feldman Mon 11/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Dirtfish ' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 3:41 pm Subject: Movie News! First of all I want to apologise! I hate spam as next as the next person and I can't stand people who subsrcibe advertise then unsubsricbe! SO I REALLY AM SORRY BUT....... but I just want to invite all you movie fans to join DirtfishMovieNews Visit: http://www.egroups.com/group/DirtfishMovieNews Or send a blank E-mail to: DirtfishMovieNews-subscribe@egroups.com If you do you'll be kept up to date on all the movie news in a daily E-mail! Not just news but you'll also get Dirtfish's unique take on the news and add your own opinions on important subjects like: Who is going to play Batman? Why did Jeff Bridges grow that beard for the King Kong remake? Is Ed Norton a better actor than Johnny Depp? Is Lord of the Rings going to be bigger than Star Wars? Was Jar Jar Binks really that bad? Please sign up today! http://www.egroups.com/group/DirtfishMovieNews DirtfishMovieNews-subscribe@egroups.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25137 Re: Movie News! Joe Shoults Mon 11/20/2000 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Movie News! Well, I guess we should count our blessings that we've pretty much avoided this kind of spam for a long time. This guy subscribed, spammed us, then unsubscribed, just like he says he hates... I banned him. I'm placing the list on 'new subber moderation', so as to intercept these kinds of posts. For those already subscribed, you will see no difference, but ayone who subscribes will be on moderated status until one of us moderators upgrades him to normal status. If you need to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, just send us a note to mailto:tadream-owner@egroups.com and we'll upgrade you no problem. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirtfish [mailto:Stuartdirt@y...] > I can't stand people who subsrcibe advertise then > unsubsricbe! SO I REALLY AM SORRY BUT....... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:00 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Besides it not recognizing 80, 90, and 99 minute blanks? And I like being able to drag-and-drop mp3 files and burn them as a music CD without any intermediary steps. It's also much more polished. And I'm pretty much forced to use 4.0x on my Plextor. Burnproof technology only works with CD Creator 4. I can burn at 12x and multitask like crazy on the computer. If the buffer runs out of data, the drive pauses and then restarts when enough data becomes available. It's impossible to trigger a 'Buffer Underrun'. I think Sanyo and 1 other company have come out with OEMs of the same drive. -Morgan >From: 'Phil Wingfield' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:27:37 -0000 > >So what are the problems you guys are having with the adaptec 3.x software? > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... Already published? It comes out May 2001. You think it's on the press already? -Morgan >From: Joe Shoults > >are you suggesting that Edgar call this guy up and command him to include >TD >info in this already-published book? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:31 PM > > To: Tangerine Dream mailing list > > Subject: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... > > > > > > Hi, > > I just saw the following mentioned on Groove Unlimited's mailing > > list: > > > > |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and > > |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May 2001. The book > > |will include a CD set with lots of new music from lots of well known > > |artists an some obscure tracks and some well known pieces as well. > > |it will be either a double or triple set. (Jim Brenholts, author) > > > > So, why did I forward this little nugget of wisdom here? Because > > it represents an opportunity for our boy Edgar to refute the notion > > that TD is a passe band of old farts who 'sold out and went New Age > > a long time ago.' How so? Well, he could contact this Brenholts guy, > > and talk to him about including an exclusive track to the CD -- which > > would force Brendholts to have some text devoted to TD if he hasn't > > done so already (and in the current climate of trendy electronica doo > > doo heads, this is a predictable omission). > > As far as credibility in today's market is concerned, TD doesn't > > have much and they need all the help they can get. Somebody e-mail > > TDI and tell 'em about this book! > > > > -- Steven Feldman > > -- webmaster > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 5:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:44:15 -0500 Joe Shoults said: >are you suggesting that Edgar call this guy up and command him to >include TD info in this already-published book? Uh, no. First, I thought it hadn't been published yet. Second, I thought that a friendly *inquiry* from Edgar about donating a track to the project might have produced results -- if TD isn't already scheduled to have a track on this book's CD set, to begin with. -- Steven Feldman From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 Dumb question, but I'm assuming you're doing a disk defragment and scandisk every 20 or so burns? >From: 'Phil Wingfield' > >I got Nero if anyone wants it too. It worked for a while for me and all of >a >sudden every disk i burnt failed. I'm sure it isn't the software. So , >anyone want it, get me your address. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog Another way to hear the Cyclone dialogue more clearly is to pick up the Tangerine Ambience I CD. I know many don't like this one or its sequel, but I've always been rather fond of Tangerine Ambience I and II. The Cyclone lyrics are said much more clearly on the tribute version. >From: Gustavo Jobim >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:10:38 -0200 > > > >> When I talk to the people > >> who are the trees that grow in the city > >> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly > >> but there is no answer > >> for experience to be made by mistake' > >Wow, everything sounds so clear now :) >Just a little fix: it's actually 'When I talk to people', there's no 'the'. >It's a cool intro, huh? I like Cyclone, but rarely play it. > >np Cyclone > >Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 9:10 pm Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90 that's just beautiful. I want one. > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] ... > my Plextor. > Burnproof technology > only works with CD Creator 4. I can burn at 12x and multitask > like crazy on > the computer. If the buffer runs out of data, the drive > pauses and then > restarts when enough data becomes available. It's impossible > to trigger a > 'Buffer Underrun'. From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 9:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... ah- ok. duh. I don't know how to read! :-� > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > Already published? It comes out May 2001. You think it's on the press > already? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] ... > > > |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and > > > |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May > 2001. The book From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 11:01 pm Subject: 86 American tour Hey Dreamers, My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as good as I remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I remembered them playing ricochet, it must have only been the piano medley. Did not recognize the Livemiles part, maybe I'll have to relisten now that I have at least partially restored my sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have been inspired by the Albuquerque concert. Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the 86 American tour is the most complete and best sounding? For some reason the song selection for the 86 tour really hits a sweet spot with me. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25146 Re: 86 American tour Feldon Feldon Mon 11/20/2000 4 KB 25147 Re: 86 American tour Hermes Guzman Tue 11/21/2000 6 KB 25149 Re: 86 American tour Feldon Feldon Tue 11/21/2000 7 KB 25150 Re: 86 American tour Hermes Guzman Tue 11/21/2000 2 KB 25153 Re: 86 American tour Joe Shoults Tue 11/21/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 86 American tour Most of the 1986 concerts included most of Underwater Sunlight plus reworked Stratosfear, Phaedra, Thief, and Sorcerer tracks (one of each) and an always wonderful piano solo. For whatever reason, Edgar either could not, or decided not to re-release any of this material (regardless of how nicely reworked and remixed it all was) and instead went with previously unreleased material for Livemiles. Perplexingly, there is over 30 minutes of 1986 material that was played in heavy rotation during the concerts that has yet to be released. It was all very meandering and sequenceless from what I've heard, but charming nonetheless. Listeners can attest that movements 2 and 3 of Livemiles were performed as-is, but the rest is quite different either in speed, melody line, or completely new and all newly bridged together. And the recording of the hispanic announcer at the beginning is total fiction as anyone who attended the show (I did not) can attest to. As for which is the best recording, I'm only familiar with CD-R recordings of the show in near-CD quality, such as Sonambulistic Imagery, Three Tier Dream disc 3, and even Alien Air Music. -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: Whiteley, Steve Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:05 PM To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Subject: [tadream] 86 American tour Hey Dreamers, My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as good as I remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I remembered them playing ricochet, it must have only been the piano medley. Did not recognize the Livemiles part, maybe I'll have to relisten now that I have at least partially restored my sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have been inspired by the Albuquerque concert. Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the 86 American tour is the most complete and best sounding? For some reason the song selection for the 86 tour really hits a sweet spot with me. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25147 Re: 86 American tour Hermes Guzman Tue 11/21/2000 6 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:06 am Subject: Re: 86 American tour Greetings all- >> From: Whiteley, Steve >> Hey Dreamers, >> >> My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as >> good as I remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I >> remembered them playing ricochet, it must have only been the >> piano medley. Did not recognize the Livemiles part, maybe I'll >> have to relisten now that I have at least partially restored my >> sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have >> been inspired by the Albuquerque concert. >> >> Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the >> 86 American tour is the most complete and best sounding? >> For some reason the song selection for the 86 tour really hits a >> sweet spot with me. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Listeners can attest that movements 2 and 3 of Livemiles were > performed as-is, but the rest is quite different either in speed, > melody line, or completely new and all newly bridged together. > And the recording of the hispanicannouncer at the > beginning is total fiction as anyone who attended the show > (I did not) can attest to. Uhhh...I can atttest that the above statement is completely wrong, except for the bit about the announcer. From April & October of this year: Greetings all- This is an excerpt from the Live FAQ that I posted waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in Jan 97 on the old list. I've added a little more info to it that I omitted the first time. ++++++++++++++++ _LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I know what the Official Homepage says. I know what Edgar says. But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that *not*one*single*bit* of _Livemiles_: 'Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! That includes the 'emcee intro'! It has *got* to be a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was *really* something! If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' and in Toronto there was an additional guitar encore to make up for the power interruption during the gig. As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Caspian Sea', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing changes, and ditto the second track, 'Sunnyvale' (though the tempo for both is faster than was originally played.) However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality. ++++++++++++++++++ FYI, the song titles indicated for the Berlin track are official. Although there also appears to be a *second* title for the second track: 'Velvet Autumn'. The following is info from Mark Schaffer and John Burek (with a [very] little hand from me!): In the same radio show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, the latter 4 - 5 minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. However, the radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast gives the track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! It's possible that the band supplied the radio station with a skeleton track list, and that subsequently Edgar gave the tracks new names when he went on the radio show on WDR two years later (thereby showing that he had forgotten that some of the tracks already had names). The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played live...eventually! goozer From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Revised Top Ten Here's my 2 cents (best tracks by td): 1.Rising Haul in Silence 2.Catwalk 3.Timesquere 4.Lifted veil 5.Spiral star date 6.Touchwood (mix) 7.Little blonde in a park of attractions 8.Mobocaster 9.Towards the evening star 10.Largo Rimas Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 86 American tour Sorry if I confused things. So parts 2 and 3 of Livemiles were not played at the Albequerque show? They were played at other shows in 1986 and 1987. -Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hermes Guzman Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:10 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: 86 American tour Greetings all- >> From: Whiteley, Steve >> Hey Dreamers, >> >> My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as >> good as I remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I >> remembered them playing ricochet, it must have only been the >> piano medley. Did not recognize the Livemiles part, maybe I'll >> have to relisten now that I have at least partially restored my >> sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have >> been inspired by the Albuquerque concert. >> >> Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the >> 86 American tour is the most complete and best sounding? >> For some reason the song selection for the 86 tour really hits a >> sweet spot with me. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Listeners can attest that movements 2 and 3 of Livemiles were > performed as-is, but the rest is quite different either in speed, > melody line, or completely new and all newly bridged together. > And the recording of the hispanicannouncer at the > beginning is total fiction as anyone who attended the show > (I did not) can attest to. Uhhh...I can atttest that the above statement is completely wrong, except for the bit about the announcer. From April & October of this year: Greetings all- This is an excerpt from the Live FAQ that I posted waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in Jan 97 on the old list. I've added a little more info to it that I omitted the first time. ++++++++++++++++ _LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I know what the Official Homepage says. I know what Edgar says. But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that *not*one*single*bit* of _Livemiles_: 'Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! That includes the 'emcee intro'! It has *got* to be a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was *really* something! If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' and in Toronto there was an additional guitar encore to make up for the power interruption during the gig. As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Caspian Sea', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing changes, and ditto the second track, 'Sunnyvale' (though the tempo for both is faster than was originally played.) However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality. ++++++++++++++++++ FYI, the song titles indicated for the Berlin track are official. Although there also appears to be a *second* title for the second track: 'Velvet Autumn'. The following is info from Mark Schaffer and John Burek (with a [very] little hand from me!): In the same radio show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, the latter 4 - 5 minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. However, the radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast gives the track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! It's possible that the band supplied the radio station with a skeleton track list, and that subsequently Edgar gave the tracks new names when he went on the radio show on WDR two years later (thereby showing that he had forgotten that some of the tracks already had names). The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played live...eventually! goozer eGroups Sponsor PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25150 Re: 86 American tour Hermes Guzman Tue 11/21/2000 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:32 am Subject: Re: 86 American tour Greetings all- 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Sorry if I confused things. So parts 2 and 3 of Livemiles were not > played at the Albequerque show? They were played at other > shows in 1986 and 1987. > > -Morgan Please re-read the following section excerpted from my previous post: > If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially > know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. > The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for > some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' and in Toronto > there was an additional guitar encore to make up for the power > interruption during the gig. The _Livemiles_: 'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3 wern't played live until the '88 North America tour. They were *never* played during the '86 tour or '87 Berlin gig. goozer > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 2:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog I liked Ambience I and II. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog > Another way to hear the Cyclone dialogue more clearly is to pick up the > Tangerine Ambience I CD. I know many don't like this one or its sequel, but > I've always been rather fond of Tangerine Ambience I and II. The Cyclone > lyrics are said much more clearly on the tribute version. > > > >From: Gustavo Jobim > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: tadream@egroups.com > >Subject: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog > >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:10:38 -0200 > > > > > > >> When I talk to the people > > >> who are the trees that grow in the city > > >> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly > > >> but there is no answer > > >> for experience to be made by mistake' > > > >Wow, everything sounds so clear now :) > >Just a little fix: it's actually 'When I talk to people', there's no 'the'. > >It's a cool intro, huh? I like Cyclone, but rarely play it. > > > >np Cyclone > > > >Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:48 am Subject: 86' Concert Matieral TD's Paris 86', which is also known as Parisian Dream and Three Tier Dream's third disc are one of the same and bare absolutely no resemblance to Livemiles, which came from 88' material I believe. Parisian Dream is a fabulous TD concert recording [with great percussion work] , that exhibits extended and/or remixed versions from TD's Underwater Sunlight release, *but even better* IMO. Now that's one bootleg that would be worthy of being released officially by TD!! From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 86 American tour There was some Legend in there, too. (unless I'm thinking of some Legend part that was originally from another album) > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] ... > Most of the 1986 concerts included most of Underwater > Sunlight plus reworked Stratosfear, Phaedra, Thief, and > Sorcerer tracks (one of each) and an always wonderful piano From: Richard B�lek Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:19 pm Subject: Re:software Well...not a business message...but I am using for burning Nero 5.0 without any problems and without crashes. It can even directly burn from MP3 files with very good quality. I know, I do not have high-tech burner, but Mitsumi RW-4801...anyway, can recommend this software to all. r.b. From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 2:54 pm Subject: Good moderations tadream@egroups.com wrote: > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:17:19 -0500 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: RE: Movie News! > (...) > I banned him. > > I'm placing the list on 'new subber moderation', so as to intercept these (...) > > -Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dirtfish [mailto:Stuartdirt@y...] > > I can't stand people who subsrcibe advertise then > > unsubsricbe! SO I REALLY AM SORRY BUT....... (Not only is he a spammer, he is a bad speller) Sometimes, you just have to appreciate the good work Joe does keeping us from the spamming evil. Now, if only users would make a habit of editing the long posts that they reply to and save us the burden of going through a high noise to signal ratio, that would just be plain perfect. 8-) -- C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:14 pm Subject: RE: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe... >> Already published? It comes out May 2001. You think it's on the press >> already? > >ah- ok. duh. I don't know how to read! :-� Joe, anyone who knows how book releases work will attest that with a May 2001 release date, this project is at least in it's final editing/proofreading cycle. It may even be printed already, and waiting for the CD to be finished. Or the other way round... klaus From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:37 pm Subject: ATTN Edgar and Klaus Beschorner re TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE CD I contacted the author, and there will indeed be a chapter on TD, but no TD track because all of the contributors donated their tracks and the author assumed that there would be royalty problems because he thought Edgar would not want to donate but rather receive royalties for his participation. Should it not be the case that Edgar would demand royalties, I say contact this guy posthaste, Edgar! JBrenholts@a... is the e-mail address for this Jim Brenholts person writing the book, TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE. Maybe it's not too late! :) -- Steven Feldman From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 4:40 pm Subject: '86 NA Tour >Parisian Dream is a fabulous TD concert recording [with great percussion >work] , that exhibits extended and/or remixed versions from TD's Underwater >Sunlight release, *but even better* IMO. Now that's one bootleg that would >be worthy of being released officially by TD!! The Euro tour setlist was different from the NA tour setlist, but both included tracks from Legend, including Darkness, Unicorn Theme and Loved by the Sun sans vocals. The NA tour also featured an unreleased track that sounds like an outtake from the Le Parc sessions. It's on the Laguna Hills tape. Great show, great tour. Even after all the shows and all the bands I've seen, TD in Cleveland in '86 was still by far the best. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25168 Re: '86 NA Tour Gabe Yedid Wed 11/22/2000 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 6:36 pm Subject: TD Sheet music at tadream.net! Thanks to Glynn Naughton for supplying the TD Sheet Music in PDF format! http://www.tadream.net link 'TD Sheet Music' on main page note: I have the filesizes there so there are no surprises- some are quite large for modem users. You might want to right-click and 'Save Target As...' instead of direct viewing through your browser, especially if you have an older machine. Enjoy! From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:55 am Subject: Okefenokee Gathering 2001 Latest Update: Date: April 20-24, 2001 Location: Okefenokee Swamp - Helen Foster State Park, Georgia Cottage Spaces: 16, so far at least 8 are reserved by fans from these areas: Arizona Tennesee UK Florida Idaho The Nederlands Georgia Illinois? There are also camping sites and if the demand is high (early), we may be able to get an additional cottage. Also, Anyone else care to join us and have a wonderful experience...? We will experience some beautiful nature and some international fun with the TD fans exchanging music and laughter :) From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 4:16 am Subject: Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Include TD! Hi All, I asked Jim Brentholts, the author of the upcoming history of electronica book called TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, about the possibility of having a TD track on the book's accompanying CD set, and he said that if it's an exclusive track and will not require royalty payments, he can do it! :) Here's what he told me: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + From: JBrenholts@a... Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:01:50 EST Subject: Re: Re TD and TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE To: ar402004@b... hi steven! folks will disagree with my opinions and folks will agree with them. it is always a subjective call. assume that i am familiar with enough of the music that i saw fit to write a book tracing the chronology of ambient and electronic music. [. . .] is it too late to accept a track from td for the cd? from a giant like that? i can always find room, if it is a unique track. at this point, i cannot accept a recycled track (one from an existing release). i have well over 240 minutes available, most of which is unique to this project. i appreciate your help, interest and support. all the best! jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25164 Re: Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Inclu Frank Arellano Wed 11/22/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 11:33 pm Subject: 'Civilized Illusions' I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 - Phaedra'. Any ideas? -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25163 Re: 'Civilized Illusions' Sean Montgomery Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB 25165 Re: 'Civilized Illusions' Antonio Nunes Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB 25166 Re: 'Civilized Illusions' Matthew Stringer Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB 25171 Re: 'Civilized Illusions' Feldon Feldon Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions' Feldon Feldon wrote: > I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 - > Phaedra'. Any ideas? 'Civilized Illusions' is a track from the Shy People soundtrack that they played at the 1987 West Berlin concert (the one supposedly represented on Livemiles...heh heh). -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 8:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Include TD! Thanks Steve! I take back all the bad things I was thinking about you :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steven Feldman' To: 'Tangerine Dream mailing list' Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Include TD! > Hi All, > I asked Jim Brentholts, the author of the upcoming history of > electronica book called TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, about the > possibility of having a TD track on the book's accompanying CD set, > and he said that if it's an exclusive track and will not require > royalty payments, he can do it! :) Here's what he told me: > > -- Steven Feldman > + + + + + + + > > From: JBrenholts@a... > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:01:50 EST > Subject: Re: Re TD and TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE > To: ar402004@b... > > hi steven! > folks will disagree with my opinions and folks will agree with them. it > is always a subjective call. > assume that i am familiar with enough of the music that i saw fit to write > a book tracing the chronology of ambient and electronic music. [. . .] > is it too late to accept a track from td for the cd? from a giant like > that? i can always find room, if it is a unique track. at this point, i > cannot accept a recycled track (one from an existing release). i have > well over 240 minutes available, most of which is unique to this project. > i appreciate your help, interest and support. > > all the best! > jim > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 11:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions' Feldon Feldon wrote: > > I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 - > Phaedra'. Any ideas? Isn't it the same as track 3 from Antarktis? [ 3.0] 4:27 Bl�tter aus dem Buch der K�hnheit (Civilized Illusions from Shy People) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25166 Re: 'Civilized Illusions' Matthew Stringer Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions' I've never been able to track down a copy of Antarktis, is there anyone on the list who would be kind enough to put one together. Cheers Matt > > Phaedra'. Any ideas? > > Isn't it the same as track 3 from Antarktis? > > [ 3.0] 4:27 Bl�tter aus dem Buch der K�hnheit (Civilized Illusions from > Shy People) > > Antonio Nunes > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:38 pm Subject: Sale of 200+ TD live tapes Hello, I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail. Each tape is available only once and the charge is minimal. Regards, Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25169 Re: Sale of 200+ TD live tapes j.gordon Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB 25173 Re: Sale of 200+ TD live tapes Phil Wingfield Wed 11/22/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] '86 NA Tour >===== Original Message From 'Scott' ===== >The Euro tour setlist was different from the NA tour setlist, but both How much was the setlist for the UK leg of the tour like the rest of the European shows? AFAIK, only the UK leg featured the early version of 'Mothers of Rain' (even though it was an encore). > The NA tour also featured an unreleased track that >sounds like an outtake from the Le Parc sessions. It's on the Laguna Hills >tape. Which track was this? (I'm pretty sure I've got that show on tape, just can't remember which track it is right now...) Great show, great tour. Even after all the shows and all the bands >I've seen, TD in Cleveland in '86 was still by far the best. > >Scott Gabe > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sale of 200+ TD live tapes me me me me me me me me me me me me me... ! =) j.gordon --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hello, > I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have > everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you > are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail. > Each tape is available only once and the charge is minimal. > > Regards, > Heiko > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Double Drat damn!!! sorrrrrrryyyy all... j.gordon --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hello, > I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have > everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you > are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail. > Each tape is available only once and the charge is minimal. > > Regards, > Heiko > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions' I just confirmed this. Thank you very much! -Morgan >From: Antonio Nunes > >Feldon Feldon wrote: > > > > I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 >- > > Phaedra'. Any ideas? > >Isn't it the same as track 3 from Antarktis? > >[ 3.0] 4:27 Bl�tter aus dem Buch der K�hnheit (Civilized Illusions from >Shy People) > >Antonio Nunes > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 10:21 pm Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!!!!! To all our American members of the list and to all those in America, please have a safe and happy Thanksgiving. Todd Tornow and Family ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 10:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sale of 200+ TD live tapes Please do Phil. I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have > everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you > are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail. From: jowers Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 4:31 am Subject: WTD: Bristol 1990 Is there someone in the US who has the following 2 shows on CDr WITH good quality scans of the artwork that would be willing to trade? BICYCLE RACE / SINGET, DENN DER GESANG VERTREIBT DIE W�LFE Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK 1 CD/44:45 min. IN DEN G�RTEN PHARAOS / BICYLE RACE Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK 1 CD/74:53 min. I have hundreds of shows by many different bands. Please contact off-list if you can help me. Thanks, Kevin kvjowers@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25175 Re: WTD: Bristol 1990 Eric Rochon Thu 11/23/2000 2 KB From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Tue Nov 23, 1999 11:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] WTD: Bristol 1990 Hi Kevin I have one of the two... may be both... the scans are perfect... let me know I will get back to you for more details... �ric from Canada >Is t ere someone in the US who has the following 2 shows on CDr WITH >good quality scans of the artwork that would be willing to trade? > >BICYCLE RACE / SINGET, DENN DER GESANG VERTREIBT DIE W�LFE >Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK > >1 CD/44:45 min. > >IN DEN G�RTEN PHARAOS / BICYLE RACE >Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK > >1 CD/74:53 min. > >I have hundreds of shows by many different bands. Please contact off-list >if you can help me. > >Thanks, >Kevin >kvjowers@i... > > > > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 11:22 am Subject: Re: lasers <> Only if Pink Floyd tours again. :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 8:26 pm Subject: vinyl wanted hi everyone i am after the following on vinyl Electronic Meditation alpha centuri green desert heart breakers dream sequence 3lp set pergamon legend in the beggining 6lp set shy people 3 o'clock high lily on the beach melrose rockoon i am not really bothered about which label they are on email me off list thanks Duncan McKee mckee17@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25181 Re: vinyl wanted Armin Theissen Fri 11/24/2000 2 KB 25182 Re: vinyl wanted Heiko Heerssen Fri 11/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 10:18 pm Subject: RE: technical question: CDR-90 To all you Easy CD Creator 4 people out there. After hearing how great most everyone thought 4.0 was I tried it again. (Don't worry Steve, if it all works out I can stil get you version 4 and the Nero CD) Anyhow, I an trying to create a CD from wave files and twice now the tracks have been written to the Cd in the wrong order. So when I view the tracks on either my PC or hi fi it reads 4,1,2,3,7,5, 6. The CD player is reading the first track as 4 and so on. I tried it with a rewritable and got the tracks in a different wrong order. I have been through the options and cannot find anything to help. It all looks as though it should write the tracks in the order they appear in the window. It is not doing them by title or file size. I can't make any sense of it. Anyone help? Phil. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25180 Re: technical question: CDR-90 Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/24/2000 3 KB From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: technical question: CDR-90 Hi I got a tip for ya, use CDRWin when creating audio cd, the king of audio burning!!!! Contact me if you have any questions. Totta Phil Wingfield wrote: > To all you Easy CD Creator 4 people out there. > > After hearing how great most everyone thought 4.0 was I tried it again. > (Don't worry Steve, if it all works out I can stil get you version 4 and the > Nero CD) Anyhow, I an trying to create a CD from wave files and twice now > the tracks have been written to the Cd in the wrong order. So when I view > the tracks on either my PC or hi fi it reads 4,1,2,3,7,5, 6. The CD player > is reading the first track as 4 and so on. I tried it with a rewritable and > got the tracks in a different wrong order. I have been through the options > and cannot find anything to help. It all looks as though it should write the > tracks in the order they appear in the window. It is not doing them by title > or file size. I can't make any sense of it. > > Anyone help? > > Phil. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 3:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: technical question: CDR-90 Phil, Are they in the correct order before you start burning? I have found if you select alot of files to drag into the listing box, the program just puts them in any order it sees fit. select and drag them one at a time if this is part of your problem. Robert At 10:18 PM 11/23/00 -0000, you wrote: >To all you Easy CD Creator 4 people out there. > >After hearing how great most everyone thought 4.0 was I tried it again. >(Don't worry Steve, if it all works out I can stil get you version 4 and the >Nero CD) Anyhow, I an trying to create a CD from wave files and twice now >the tracks have been written to the Cd in the wrong order. So when I view >the tracks on either my PC or hi fi it reads 4,1,2,3,7,5, 6. The CD player >is reading the first track as 4 and so on. I tried it with a rewritable and >got the tracks in a different wrong order. I have been through the options >and cannot find anything to help. It all looks as though it should write the >tracks in the order they appear in the window. It is not doing them by title >or file size. I can't make any sense of it. > >Anyone help? > >Phil. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:07 am Subject: Re: vinyl wanted Have them all except 3 o'clock and Legends, but sorry: will never give them away.... ;-) As to the pink years: they are re-released in original sleeve design on 170g Vinyl in Germany. There's been an address for mail order... but sorry, don't have it anymore. Got to do some research on the web, or somebody here might know (Heiko?) cheers armin --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'duncan mckee' wrote: > hi everyone > i am after the following on vinyl > > > Electronic Meditation > alpha centuri > green desert > heart breakers > dream sequence 3lp set > pergamon > legend > in the beggining 6lp set > shy people > 3 o'clock high > lily on the beach > melrose > rockoon > > i am not really bothered about which label they are on > > email me off list > thanks > > Duncan McKee > > mckee17@m... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: vinyl wanted Armin Theissen wrote: > As to the pink years: they are re-released in original sleeve > design on 170g Vinyl in Germany. There's been an address for > mail order... but sorry, don't have it anymore. Got to do some > research on the web, or somebody here might know (Heiko?) I think Groove Unlimited still sells them, also the German mailorder company JPC. Right now there is a white label test pressing of Zeit and of Alpha Centauri up for grabs at eBAY, now this would look nice under someone's christmas tree?! ;-) Heiko From: Glynn Naughton Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:09 am Subject: '86 shows >Hey Dreamers, >My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as good as I >remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I remembered them playing >ricochet, it must have only been the piano medley. Did not recognize the >Livemiles part, maybe I'll have to relisten now that I have at least >partially restored my sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may >have been inspired by the Albuquerque concert. >Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the 86 American tour is >the most complete and best sounding? For some reason the song selection >for the 86 tour really hits a sweet spot with me. >Thanks, >Steve The Montreal show features probably the loudest audience scream in the history of rock concerts during the quiet piano bit. Some guy takes it upon himself to announce 'YEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!', a declamation that makes up in sheer gusto for what it lacks in subtlety, and that causes much amusement amongst the rest of the audience. Bet the band wasn't too pleased, though. It's worth getting hold of this tape just for that moment. As I remember, the sound quality overall is pretty good, too, although it's absolutely ages since I played it. Did someone say that the track that comes after 'Stratosfear' in these concerts has now surfaced on the _I-Box_? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25184 Re: '86 shows Heiko Heerssen Fri 11/24/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] '86 shows Glynn Naughton wrote: > Did someone say that the track that comes after 'Stratosfear' in these > concerts has now surfaced on the _I-Box_? Yup. It's now called 'Akash deep'. And a rare case where Ed's 'tangentizing' works, I think it sounds even better now. Heiko From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 713 tadream@egroups.com wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:09:36 -0000 > From: Glynn Naughton > Subject: '86 shows > (...) > > The Montreal show features probably the loudest audience scream in the > history of rock concerts during the quiet piano bit. Some guy takes it upon > himself to announce 'YEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!', a > declamation that makes up in sheer gusto for what it lacks in subtlety, and > that causes much amusement amongst the rest of the audience. Bet the band > wasn't too pleased, though. It's worth getting hold of this tape just for > that moment. As I remember, the sound quality overall is pretty good, too, > although it's absolutely ages since I played it. > We weren't all amused actually. Between that and the two girls who were chain smoking pot right next to my brother-in-law and myself (I cannot stand that smell) it marred was was otherwise a perfect evening. C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 6:15 pm Subject: Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News! Hey TD fans and lovers of EM and adventure... It looks quite promising that John Christian and Peter Ruczynski (two thirds of Air Sculpture) will be joining us April 20-24, 2001 at the Okefenokee Swamp in southern Georgia USA to celebrate the advancement of electronic swamp music. I am very excited at the prospect of now having four great EM musicians participate in this 2nd annual event: Marcel Engels (Free System Project and musician on the first Oke CD) Dave Brewer (on the first Oke Best selling EM CD!) John & Pete of Air Sculpture I only have 6 places left if you wish to be with us in the cottages, but there still are other alternatives if you decide later, such as camping out in a nice and safe campground about 100 meters from the cottages or I may even be able to get an additional cottage if you respond soon. Hope you can join us in this millenium event. We plan to have a few concerts throughout the event and we have a wonderful museum with a stage where we can hold a show. Edgar and Jerome - let me know when you plan to show up? :-) (Your staff is welcome of course too). And at 3AM the swamp bulfrogs sound fantastically interestingly (if that's proper English). Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25187 Re: Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News! Frank Arellano Fri 11/24/2000 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Vic Rek' To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News! > Hey TD fans and lovers of EM and adventure... > > It looks quite promising that John Christian and Peter Ruczynski (two > thirds of Air Sculpture) will be joining us April 20-24, 2001 at the > Okefenokee Swamp in southern Georgia USA to celebrate the advancement of > electronic swamp music. > > I am very excited at the prospect of now having four great EM musicians > participate in this 2nd annual event: > > Marcel Engels (Free System Project and musician on the first Oke CD) > Dave Brewer (on the first Oke Best selling EM CD!) > John & Pete of Air Sculpture > > I only have 6 places left if you wish to be with us in the cottages, but > there still are other alternatives if you decide later, such as camping > out in a nice and safe campground about 100 meters from the cottages or > I may even be able to get an additional cottage if you respond soon. > > Hope you can join us in this millenium event. We plan to have a few > concerts throughout the event and we have a wonderful museum with a > stage where we can hold a show. Edgar and Jerome - let me know when you > plan to show up? :-) (Your staff is welcome of course too). > > And at 3AM the swamp bulfrogs sound fantastically interestingly (if > that's proper English). > > Vic > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:02 pm Subject: A good example for Edgar? '... I considered re-recording or reworking the material before releasing it again, but the album has a very special sound representative of a particular time early in my career which I wanted to preserve. For me, it is a piece of my history I remember fondly.' (Yanni, on the re-release of his album Optimystique, 9 years after the original recording) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25191 Re: A good example for Edgar? Feldon Feldon Fri 11/24/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:51 pm Subject: FW: records for sale contact Rob at mailto:robert.hazelwood1@n... Hi, I have been put in touch with you by Armin Theissen because I have some Tangerine Dream records for sale. They include, Phaedra,Ricochet,Cyclone,Stratosfear,Encore (live),Zeit,Thief soundtrack and Sorcerer soundtrack. If you or anyone you know is interested in buying any of them, please E-mail me and we'll sort something out. Yours sincerely Rob Hazelwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 1:59 pm Subject: An interview with Steve Jolliffe There exists an interview with Steve Jolliffe at www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm. Enjoy! Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A good example for Edgar? First, Edgar would have to LIKE the music that he, Chris, Johannes, and Peter did. I don't think he does, otherwise he wouldn't disrespect it so. -Morgan >From: Antonio Nunes >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] A good example for Edgar? >Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:02:31 +0000 > >'... I considered re-recording or reworking the material before >releasing it again, but the album has a very special sound >representative of a particular time early in my career which I wanted to >preserve. For me, it is a piece of my history I remember fondly.' >(Yanni, on the re-release of his album Optimystique, 9 years after the >original recording) > >Antonio Nunes > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: Quick hindsight Some hindsight on my last comment. Edgar has said that he doesn't do music for the fans, he does it for himself. So he wouldn't have touched the iBox if he absolutely detested the music. I think we just get wildly mixed messages out of TD and it's frustrating to me. Sorry, Morgan ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Sat Nov 25, 2000 6:25 am Subject: Rare Johannes Schmoelling CDs now on ebay For those of you interested in hard to find Tangerine Dream-related CDs, I've put the following Johannes Schmoelling CDs are now up on ebay. They are all excellent. I'm letting go of the CD collection. The Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release, rare!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509214331 The Zoo of Tranquility (Erdenklange re release with new songs) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509217677 Songs No Words http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509220779 Wuivend Riet http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509223376 Feel free to email if you have any questions. Alan Cox From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Sat Nov 25, 2000 7:01 am Subject: TDI Releases on Ebay In addition to the Schmoelling CDs, I now have the following cds up on ebay: Transsiberia Great Wall of China What a Blast Oasis Sohoman Performing a search for Tangerine Dream should bring them all up. Hope this is an economical opportunity for someone to pick up a few missing cds for their collection. -Alan Cox From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 1:22 pm Subject: test just testing! From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: Discussion Weeks - Statistics Well, the weekly album discussions have come to a close. Here are some numbers.... Total posts for the discussions was 679. At 62 weeks, this works out at 10.95 posts per week. 478 of the posts came within the first 31 weeks... only 201 in the second 31 weeks. Could this be an indicator of a decline in interest in the discussions, or could it be that the most worthy albums of discussion are pre mid-80's? In fact, it was probably dud to the fact that as we got closer to the present time, most of the albums had been heavily discussed around their release date, such as Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman, Mars Polaris etc etc. The 10 most discussed albums were 1. 40 posts - Phaedra 2. 35 posts - Optical Race 3. 34 posts - Ricochet =. 34 posts - Tangram 5. 29 posts - Zeit 6. 26 posts - Exit 7. 23 posts - Hyperborea 8. 22 posts - Green Desert =. 22 posts - 220 Volt 10. 21 posts - Alpha Centauri =. 21 posts - Rubycon =. 21 posts - Cyclone The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks... Flashpoint The Park Is Mine Catch Me If You Can Rumplestiltskin Transiberia Sohoman What A Blast Antique Dreams The Seven Letters Of Tibet Though for the last few there had been ongoing discussions about various aspects of the albums anyway... All 679 posts were read and enjoyed, so thanks to those that found the time to take part to post their opinions. No doubt Joe will shortly post details of the replacement, and the new host. Good luck! Regards, Lawry Simm lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25197 TD Database-/homepageupdate (Yugoslavian Encore-L Rainer Rutka Sun 11/26/2000 2 KB 25198 Re: Discussion Weeks - Statistics Frank Arellano Sun 11/26/2000 4 KB 25199 Re: Discussion Weeks - Statistics Feldon Feldon Sun 11/26/2000 2 KB 25211 Re: Discussion Weeks - Statistics Lawry Simm Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 5:34 pm Subject: TD Database-/homepageupdate (Yugoslavian Encore-LP and more..) Hi everybody! Now, after working 12+ hours (!), I made an update of my Tangerine Dream Fanpage after a long time. I added approx. 30-40 new items. For example: I rare yugoslavian ENCORE-LP without the US-Flag onto the cover. Really strange!!! You must see it. Lots of new promos (mostly LPs, Singles) and some rare stuff, too. Not all are in the NEWS-section. Just browse through the 'normal' sections. I hope you like it and it's worth the hard work. Please have a look onto my new swap- and wants-list! URL: www.rutka.de/td Rainer From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Weeks - Statistics Just wanted to say thanks to our fearful and departing leader :-) Hey, did you ever get rid of those SMD magazines? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: 'Tadream Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: [tadream] Discussion Weeks - Statistics > Well, the weekly album discussions have come to a close. Here are some > numbers.... > > Total posts for the discussions was 679. > At 62 weeks, this works out at 10.95 posts per week. > > 478 of the posts came within the first 31 weeks... only 201 in the > second 31 weeks. Could this be an indicator of a decline in interest > in the discussions, or could it be that the most worthy albums of > discussion are pre mid-80's? In fact, it was probably dud to the fact > that as we got closer to the present time, most of the albums had been > heavily discussed around their release date, such as Soundmill > Navigator, Sohoman, Mars Polaris etc etc. > > The 10 most discussed albums were > 1. 40 posts - Phaedra > 2. 35 posts - Optical Race > 3. 34 posts - Ricochet > =. 34 posts - Tangram > 5. 29 posts - Zeit > 6. 26 posts - Exit > 7. 23 posts - Hyperborea > 8. 22 posts - Green Desert > =. 22 posts - 220 Volt > 10. 21 posts - Alpha Centauri > =. 21 posts - Rubycon > =. 21 posts - Cyclone > > The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks... > Flashpoint > The Park Is Mine > Catch Me If You Can > Rumplestiltskin > Transiberia > Sohoman > What A Blast > Antique Dreams > The Seven Letters Of Tibet > > Though for the last few there had been ongoing discussions about > various aspects of the albums anyway... > > All 679 posts were read and enjoyed, so thanks to those that found the > time to take part to post their opinions. > > No doubt Joe will shortly post details of the replacement, and the new > host. Good luck! > > Regards, > Lawry Simm > > lawry.simm@f... > ICQ # 23267226 > Instant Messenger - lawrysimm > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Weeks - Statistics >From: 'Lawry Simm' > >Well, the weekly album discussions have come to a close. Here are some >numbers.... > > >The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks... >Antique Dreams I reposted my Antique Dreams review during the Antique Dreams discussion week? I guess it bounced? -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Cotner' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 8:47 am Subject: An inter view with Monte Cazazza. Hello unto you. Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Monte Cazazza, from the archives of: http://www.hertz-lion.com I shall post it on other spaces as well. We're now up to inter view #4...that's number four, folks... 'The Full Monte!' Monte Cazazza In what way are you your parents' child? I don't think (I am) directly very much at all. My interests and outlook on life are very different from anyone in my family. In my case, both genetics and environment played a big part in my development. Without going too much into detail, sometimes what happens to some people is that the recombination of genetic materials yields unpredictable outcomes, so that you get a mutational result that doesn't relate to what one started with. Plus, there could be genetic strains from long ago that express themselves only in much later progeny, that, if you were looking for them, would almost be invisible. Biologists who think they understand this because they are finally mapping the human genome are deluding themselves, because they are not really factoring in all types of subtle and not-so-subtle influences, both genetically and environmentally. Intellectually, they really don't know what they are doing because this science has not been around long enough to make those conclusions. And, of course, by rationalizing their ideas, they're just creating a tender trap that they will fall into, and be eaten by their own ignorance. What aspects of structure does your music share with your upbringing? Absolutely none. Are structure and control mutually inclusive? I don't really understand your question, and where and what (it is) you are implying here. For me to give an observation, you would have to give me the definition you are using for these terms, and why you are applying them to music, etc. etc.. Does structure become an aspect of the aesthetic itself when composing? It seems to me, if I am understanding you correctly, that this would depend on the composer and the piece they are composing, so, it could go either way. Is it possible to create a work of art existing independently of the aesthetic? It's possible. What does the term 'power electronics' mean to you? Does that term refer to the power of electronics, the empowerer, or a third mind? Black Death Heavy Metal Power Chords. Insofar as your music goes, why do you do what you do? Self-expression. Is chance as important as knowledge, in experimental music? They're equal. Is it important, at times, not to know what you're doing, in experimental music? It can help. What is your ancestry? Mixed-up. Was your heritage crucial in bringing you to where you are now with your music? No. Does your way of thinking about your music affect your life in general? Sometimes. Should art be consumptive? If you mean suffering from tuberculosis of the lungs, it certainly would be fun to create that in the audience, especially if it was filled with people one did not like. Are people who answer questions with 'yes' or 'no' stupid, or just plain lazy? Depends on the person. Does experimental music imply a separation of art and artist? That's each individual's choice, isn't it? How has your music separated you from living life? No. Does your music have an ending point? No. Do you see your work continued after you have assumed room temperature? Hopefully not. After I'm dead, it would be nice to RIP. Who do you see today carrying the tradition of experimental music into tomorrow? Don't have an answer to that question. http://brainwashed.com/tg/monte.html Regards, David Cotner, \\\ http://www.hertz-lion.com for more information: http://www.egroups.com/group/Hertz-Lion From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who? ummm... who is monte cazazza? is he a distant cousin of Edgar's? posting things like this with OT in the subject would be so helpful... especially with the low mail count in the last few days on the list... i logged in this morning and thought that i'd somehow slipped through a rip in the fabric of music... j.gordon... --- David Cotner wrote: > Hello unto you. > > Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Monte Cazazza, > from the archives of: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25204 Re: An inter view with who? Frank Arellano Mon 11/27/2000 3 KB 25206 Re: An inter view with who? Anne Drogyness Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB 25207 Re: An inter view with who? quarlie@a... Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:43 am Subject: [tadream] Thief Live? howdy, all... i was browsing my TD CDs this weekend, looking at the spines of the jewel cases and noticed that my copy of Thief, purchased from Amazon several years ago, has the name of the album as Thief Tangerine Dream Live on both spines... it's nowhere else on the cover... strange, i thought... this seems a bit more extreme than some typo... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25203 Re: Thief Live? Kees Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB 25205 Re: Thief Live? j.gordon Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB 25209 Re: Thief Live? Feldon Feldon Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB From: Kees Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief Live? At 01:43 27/11/2000 -0800, you wrote: >howdy, all... > >i was browsing my TD CDs this weekend, looking at the spines of the jewel >cases >and noticed that my copy of Thief, purchased from Amazon several years >ago, has >the name of the album as > >Thief Tangerine Dream Live > >on both spines... it's nowhere else on the cover... strange, i thought... > >this seems a bit more extreme than some typo... > >j.gordon There's also a Ricochet live, Rubycon live and so on. :-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who? My response would be more along the lines of...'Who the fuck is Monte Cazazza!!' :-) Hey Joe, are you awake? Wake up Joe :-) Wake up :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'j.gordon' To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who? > ummm... who is monte cazazza? > > is he a distant cousin of Edgar's? > > posting things like this with OT in the subject would be so helpful... > especially with the low mail count in the last few days on the list... i logged > in this morning and thought that i'd somehow slipped through a rip in the > fabric of music... > > j.gordon... > > > --- David Cotner wrote: > > Hello unto you. > > > > Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Monte Cazazza, > > from the archives of: > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25206 Re: An inter view with who? Anne Drogyness Mon 11/27/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief Live? > There's also a Ricochet live, Rubycon live and so on. :-) cooooool... i hadn't realized that they performed this soundtrack at every showing of the film... must have been a rough tour... =) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: Anne Drogyness Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who? on 11/27/00 6:34 AM, Frank Arellano at farellano@s... wrote: > My response would be more along the lines of...'Who the fuck is Monte > Cazazza!!' :-) Hey Joe, are you awake? Wake up Joe :-) Wake up :-) Monte Cazazza is an artist/musician who was involved with, among other things, the early days of 'Industrial' music. While he is an interesting person, his relevance to Tangerine Dream is sketchy at best (thoug i'm sure that we could play '6 degrees'). love, anne -- -- { a n n e d r o g y n e s s } nothing short ov a total gender -- -- From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who? In a message dated 11/27/00 10:21:05 AM, annedrogyness@a... writes: >Monte Cazazza is an artist/musician who was involved with, among other >things, the early days of 'Industrial' music. While he is an interesting >person, his relevance to Tangerine Dream is sketchy at best (thoug i'm >sure that we could play '6 degrees'). I'll go for it: 1. Monte Cazazza was involved at some point with Throbbing Gristle. 2. Throbbing Gristle is connected to Brian Lustmord. 3. Brian Lustmord has collaborated with Paul Haslinger. 4. Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream. Easy enough. ;) --Daniel NP: VNV Nation--Empires From: Glynn Naughton Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 4:59 pm Subject: OT: AC/DC next week Hello there, Question to UK members. Is anyone going to the AC/DC show at Wembley Arena next week? I'm toying with it (wasn't sold out last time I looked) but no-one I know is interested in going. Strangely enough, they don't regard being deafened whilst watching a 40-odd year old man in a school uniform inflict brain damage on himself to be an entertaining way of spending an evening. Glynn From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief Live? Major mistake, as is common on TD covers. >From: 'j.gordon' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Thief Live? >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:43:06 -0800 (PST) > >howdy, all... > >i was browsing my TD CDs this weekend, looking at the spines of the jewel >cases >and noticed that my copy of Thief, purchased from Amazon several years ago, >has >the name of the album as > >Thief Tangerine Dream Live > >on both spines... it's nowhere else on the cover... strange, i thought... > >this seems a bit more extreme than some typo... > >j.gordon > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 6 degrees > >Monte Cazazza is an artist/musician who was involved with, among other > >things, the early days of 'Industrial' music. While he is an interesting > >person, his relevance to Tangerine Dream is sketchy at best (thoug i'm > >sure that we could play '6 degrees'). > > I'll go for it: > > 1. Monte Cazazza was involved at some point with Throbbing Gristle. > 2. Throbbing Gristle is connected to Brian Lustmord. > 3. Brian Lustmord has collaborated with Paul Haslinger. > 4. Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream. > > Easy enough. ;) > > --Daniel hmmmmm.... that's only 4 degrees... i think you'll have to go something like this... The musical 1776? Why, how is that related to TD? ahhhh, but of course... 1. The musical was re-released on Broadway recently with Brent Spinner (sp?) starring in the lead as John Adams. 2. Brent was on Star Trek (New G.) 3. Star Trek is a Sci-Fi TV show. 4. Babylon 5 is ALSO a Sci-Fi TV show. 5. CF scored B5. 6. CF was in TD. although, i think that 6 degrees and streeeeetching it... whew... i had no idea that such DIVERSE subject could be discussed here... just pokin' fun, all... j.g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:51 pm Subject: Re: Discussion Weeks - Statistics >>The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks... >>Antique Dreams >I reposted my Antique Dreams review during the Antique Dreams discussion >week? I guess it bounced? >Morgan Come to think of it, I remember you doing just that... I must have been a bit lapse in noting it down... so that pushes the total posts to 680! *8-) Lawry From: 'kayleigh' Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 3:24 am Subject: ADRESS PROBLEMS Hey there all. SORRY For the problems and bullshit, BUT for whatever damn reason, my ISP is again having issues with my e-mails. I have had repeated AOL IM notes, and IcQ notes from people telling me they've sent me e-mails through my kayleigh address, AND it keeps coming back. THEREFORE if you attempt to send me mails, and it doesn't go through properly, PLeASE re-send it to this address: seasonsend97@h... - thanks a bunch, AND I hope this stuff is taken care of SOON. IT really sucks. dan Welcome To Kayleighs Playhouse!!! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com CrackASmile - THE Online Poison List! AND....ChristianRockMusic Mailing List Online! http://christianrock.musicpage.com AOL IM - kayleighsdad / IcQ #1247205 Yahoo - kayleighsdaddy From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 6:44 am Subject: MORE TD on ebay NOW I just put the following CDs up for auction on ebay. Tangerine Dream - The Hollywood Years Volumes 1 and 2 Tangerine Dream - Zoning Tangerine Dream - Ambient Monkeys Tangerine Dream - Quinoa Tangerine Dream - Dream Encores Tangerine Dream - Seven Letters from Tibet Geddy Lee - My Favorite Headache Most bids start at $4.99 or $5.99. SOON TO COME: THE KEEP TDI release, plus an autographed copy of THE MAN INSIDE From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 4:25 am Subject: ot: who is monte cazazza? Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused with TG--throbbing gristle. Haven't heard of monte in years. He collaborated with throbbing gristle back in their heyday... --teiwaz np: the worst of monte cazazza up next: psychic TV--dreams less sweet ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25215 Re: ot: who is monte cazazza? Antonio Nunes Tue 11/28/2000 2 KB 25219 Re: ot: who is monte cazazza? Frank Arellano Wed 11/29/2000 3 KB 25220 Re: ot: who is monte cazazza? Joe Shoults Wed 11/29/2000 4 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza? tei waz wrote: > > Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused with > TG--throbbing gristle. Probably not, I've seen this same message (spam?) on a few other mailing lists, including the Vangelis ml and ElectronicMusic. Antonio Nunes From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: A Silly Spam about the Election Results: Good Stuff! ;) Okay, So this is off-topic -- I think many of you will enjoy it, just the same, though. Direct all offlist hatemail to ar402004@b... if not the White House. ;) + + + + + + + To the citizens of the United States of America... In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The Rt. Hon. Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: 1. You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up 'aluminium'. Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up 'vocabulary'. Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as 'like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up 'interspersed'. 2. There is no such thing as 'US English'. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. 3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. 4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys. 5. You should relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen, but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through. 6. You should stop playing American football. There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American football is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays American' football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005. 7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde. The 98.85% of you who were not aware that there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys. Merde is French for 'shit'. 8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called Indecisive Day. 9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. 10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy. Thank you for your cooperation. From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:30 pm Subject: test Test From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:36 pm Subject: Help wanted! Hi people Im am looking for the covers to the following TD cd, please contact me if you got one or more of them. The cd's Ossiach live 2cd Toronto 21-6-86 Massey Hall Marakesh cd single promo Munich 9-12-81 Circus Krone 2 cd Columbus Ohio Theatre 28-8-88 Thanks in advance Totta From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 3:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza? Our fearless leader [Joe] got caught asleep on the job :-) I noticed it was sent at almost 1:30 in the morning. It sure as hell looked like a spam to me! Antonio, does Robert Fox remind you of Vangelis? I've seen this comparison a number of times, but I cannot say either way, because I am unfamiliar with Vangelis' work. Do you think I'd like his music? If so, which would be a good starting point? I once very briefly sampled his 'Antarctica, but I felt it was way too mellow. From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza? > > > tei waz wrote: > > > > Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused with > > TG--throbbing gristle. > > Probably not, I've seen this same message (spam?) on a few other mailing > lists, including the Vangelis ml and ElectronicMusic. > > Antonio Nunes > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 5:31 am Subject: RE: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza? well, I did put the list on new subber mod, meaning Posts from new members require approval. We (moderators) get a heads-up when a post is submitted, and have a chance to accept or reject it. If it is someone we know, we'll go in and 'unmoderate' them. This way, no one can just 'pop in' and spam us. Also, I don't know what the hell is going on with these damn egroups ads, but I mailed that check (cheque) over a month ago. I'm having no luck with a response from Yahoo (egroups' mommy) on status, so I guess I'll have to cancel the check and try again. -Joe -----Original Message----- From: Frank Arellano To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: 11/28/00 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza? Our fearless leader [Joe] got caught asleep on the job :-) I noticed it was sent at almost 1:30 in the morning. It sure as hell looked like a spam to me! Antonio, does Robert Fox remind you of Vangelis? I've seen this comparison a number of times, but I cannot say either way, because I am unfamiliar with Vangelis' work. Do you think I'd like his music? If so, which would be a good starting point? I once very briefly sampled his 'Antarctica, but I felt it was way too mellow. From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza? > > > tei waz wrote: > > > > Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused with > > TG--throbbing gristle. > > Probably not, I've seen this same message (spam?) on a few other mailing > lists, including the Vangelis ml and ElectronicMusic. > > Antonio Nunes > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:04 am Subject: [tadream] Web pages updated Hi all, There have been quite a few additions to my pages in the last couple of days, in particular the films/video pages (Forbidden, Strange Behavior, Red Heat, the Keep, City of Shadows, Game of Love, Wavelength, The Man Inside and Thief) as well as images of the very rare Beach Scene single (at last!) and the Rumpelstiltskin VHS. Thanks to Vic Rek and Nicola Cont for the majority of the latest images. I'm still looking for better quality scans of the following: Thief (original VHS) The Keep (laserdisc) The Game of Love (VHS) City of Shadows (alternative cover) http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Paul From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: weird titles I was reading REALLY OLD digests (from about 2 weeks ago, I think) and came across Marion's review for Great Wall O' China (Don't take a battering ram to that wall ;-) Anyway, she wrote: >4) Silence the barking monk: what's that about then? - has to be one of >their weirder titles! That might be true, but it is outdistanced by a long shot by 'Bent, Cold Sidewalk' and 'Rising Runner, Missed by Endless Sender' Any other nominations for the top 10 Weirdest TD titles? James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25223 Re: weird titles Sean Montgomery Wed 11/29/2000 2 KB 25224 Re: weird titles Antonio Nunes Wed 11/29/2000 2 KB 25226 Re: weird titles Phil Wingfield Wed 11/29/2000 2 KB 25227 Re: weird titles Phil Wingfield Wed 11/29/2000 2 KB 25228 Re: weird titles Joe Shoults Wed 11/29/2000 2 KB 25231 Re: weird titles quarlie@a... Thu 11/30/2000 2 KB 25233 weird titles DAVKAUFMAN@a... Thu 11/30/2000 2 KB 25234 Re: weird titles Heiko Heerssen Thu 11/30/2000 2 KB 25237 Re: weird titles Sean Montgomery Thu 11/30/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles 'Owens, James' wrote: > Any other nominations for the top 10 Weirdest TD titles? Including titles already mentioned: Too Hot For My Chinchilla Penguin Reference Living in a Fountain Pen At Darwin's Motel Elf June and the Midnight Patrol Silence the Barking Monk The Purple of All Curtains Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender Lemon Vendor Khaly My Name is Bad Hair -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles My favorite weird title is 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' from Stuntman. Antonio Nunes np: Under the Dome - Concerts at Jodrell Bank From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:08 pm Subject: Quicktime movies How about these for diverse egroups. Off topic all round - does anyone out there know if quicktime movies can be converted to realplayer or media player files and if so, how? Phil. ****************************************** Only when the last tree is cut down Only when the last river is poisoned Only when the last fish is caught Only then will we realise That money cannot be eaten. Cree Indian Proverb **************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles > Too Hot For My Chinchilla This is just a naff title. Flame on. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles Any other nominations for the top 10 Weirdest TD titles? Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares - Incidentally the first track I ever heard. Thru metamorphic rocks - quite strange. 3am at the border of the marsh from Okefenokee - Most words and pretty weird, when I first read this title I didn't know that Okefenokee was a place. From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] weird titles what is 'naff'? > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:10 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles > > > > Too Hot For My Chinchilla > > This is just a naff title. > > Flame on. > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 11:07 pm Subject: OFF TOPIC: RE: [tadream] Quicktime movies try http://www.geocities.com/virtualdub/index.html not sure if it is exactly what you need, but it converts avi ->mpg or vice versa. best of all, it's free. > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...] ... > Off topic all round - does anyone out there know if quicktime > movies can be converted to realplayer or media player files > and if so, how? > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 1:22 am Subject: Off topic to James Owens Sorry guys but my e-mails direct to James Owens seem to be getting bounced. James Owens, if you are out there...please contact me...off list, obviously. Thanks. Neal --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 4:11 am Subject: Re: weird titles In a message dated 11/29/00 5:19:39 PM, sean@t... writes: >Including titles already mentioned: > >Too Hot For My Chinchilla >Penguin Reference >Living in a Fountain Pen >At Darwin's Motel >Elf June and the Midnight Patrol >Silence the Barking Monk >The Purple of All Curtains >Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender >Lemon Vendor Khaly >My Name is Bad Hair That's a pretty agreeable list, but I think I would vote for replacing 'The Purple of All Curtains' with 'Lamb With Radar Eyes.' --Daniel NP: Simple Minds--Good News from the Next World From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 11:29 am Subject: Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was The problem about something like that is that it ends up circulating, and if you belong to more than one list, you end up seeing it eventually on every list you belong to, as well as the various bulletin boards, newsgroups, etc, that you visit. It's funny the first couple times you see but by the 15th, it's just another thing you have scroll past. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25236 Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was Joe Shoults Thu 11/30/2000 3 KB From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: weird titles Anybody who is interested in finding out the lyrics to Bent Cold Sidewalk and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender can visit the Horizon Music Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles DAVKAUFMAN@a... schrieb: > Anybody who is interested in finding out the lyrics to Bent Cold Sidewalk and > Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender can visit the Horizon Music Web site > at www.hmnetwork.com. I think one of the best things Steve Joliffe ever did was the 'welcome scream' at the Berlin Eissporthalle 19th February 1978 concert (which was the first gig on their European tour). I suspect that most of the people in the audience didn't know what to expect, 'Cyclone' still wasn't available at that time and I assume that most of the audience were suspecting music � la 'Encore'..after a few seconds into the slow intro all of a sudden Steve starts to scream (with a capital 'S'!) something like 'Gaaannnnzaiiiiiiii!!!!' ...Total silence in the concert hall, and I can almost see the horrified faces of the people :-) But judging from their reactions it must have been quite a success, and IMO the music which was performed is very good. Heiko From: 'Patrick L' Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 3:24 pm Subject: Weird titles Some weird TD titles imo: Order of the Ginger Guild Little blond in the park of attractions Journey through a burning brain Birdwatcher�s dream Riddle of the monkey tribe However, Larry Fast/Synergy has a couple of weird titles as well: Disruption in World Communications On presuming to be modern Phobos and Deimos go to Mars But I like these titles a lot, to me weird is not strange, just different! -------------- Patrik, Stockholm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25239 Re: Weird titles Scott Fri 12/1/2000 2 KB 25240 Re: Weird titles Frank Arellano Fri 12/1/2000 2 KB 25249 Re: Weird titles tom george Sat 12/2/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 3:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was ? what ? did I miss something? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@y...] > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:29 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was > > > The problem about something like that is that it > ends up circulating, and if you belong to more > than one list, you end up seeing it eventually on > every list you belong to, as well as the various > bulletin boards, newsgroups, etc, that you visit. > It's funny the first couple times you see but by > the 15th, it's just another thing you have scroll > past. > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: weird titles quarlie@a... wrote: > That's a pretty agreeable list, but I think I would vote for replacing 'The > Purple of All Curtains' with 'Lamb With Radar Eyes.' Yeah, that's true. Forgot about that one. I agree. Probably my favourite weird title on a TD *related* album is 'Monkey Brain Sushi', from Paul Haslinger's 'World Without Rules'. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 6:10 pm Subject: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks Just a little public service announcement reminder for you guys to start thinking about your Eddie and Jerry's top ten tracks, time waits for no one. :-) Morgan, do you need a little help with yours? Have you found any yet :-) Been listening to TD's 'Monolight', what an awesome excerpt from 7:39 - 16:49 ! Also been listening to RMI's track 'Send Off' off of their 'Republic' CD and Ramp's entire CD 'Nodular'. I'm talking 'f ***in' gold' guys ! :-) Frank, who also just happens to have the most _beautiful_ little girl in the entire whole world! :-) PS I have a feeling it's just gonna be just another great big EM party for me today. And the day after, and the day after........ :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25243 Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks Roger Hartopp Fri 12/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 2:21 am Subject: Re: Weird titles >My Name is Bad Hair Yeah, and they claimed they stopped doing drugs in 1973. Sure Ed, we believe you! :-) But seriously, the above title was NOT picked by TD. It's from the Silva release of Dead Solid Perfect. The titles were chosen by the fine folks at Silva. 'Penguin Reference' and 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' are my favorites. Scott From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Weird titles Hey Scott, do I need to get my 'Mysterious Semblance' book updated if I got it a year or so ago? My number is 075 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Weird titles > >My Name is Bad Hair > > Yeah, and they claimed they stopped doing drugs in 1973. Sure Ed, we believe > you! :-) But seriously, the above title was NOT picked by TD. It's from the > Silva release of Dead Solid Perfect. The titles were chosen by the fine > folks at Silva. > > 'Penguin Reference' and 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' are my favorites. > > Scott > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:07 am Subject: Rare TD on EBAY I just put THE KEEP SOUNDTRACK (TDI version) and http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515630710 THE MAN INSIDE SOUNDTRACK (EMI FRANCE) with Paul Haslinger AUTOGRAPH on insert. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515632977 * These are my two rarest TD releases, and I'm letting them go to raise funds for the new family I've started. My boy Logan is the greatest. No time to collect anymore. Anyway, I hope you'll take a look at them: From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 2:00 pm Subject: Former Tangerine Dream member Steve Jolliffe There exists an interview with British synthesist, former Tangerine Dream member and Horizon Music recording artist Steve Jolliffe at the following URL: www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm. Enjoy! Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 7:12 pm Subject: Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > Just a little public service announcement reminder for you guys to start > thinking about your Eddie and Jerry's top ten tracks, time waits for no one. > :-) > > Morgan, do you need a little help with yours? Have you found any yet :-) I second this announcement chaps: at the last count, we had only eight folks voting. The chart is to be announced on 'Radio Rak' two weeks today (and for those who find RealPlayer three a real pain in the arse, I will post a transcript of the show soon after the broadcast). If we don't get any more, then we'll have to poll further among those who did vote, and then we'll announce it... and then come the court appeals, hanging chads, recounts, etc... :-j Roger Hartopp From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 7:25 pm Subject: Anyone else got a copy of the I-Box yet? A copy of the I-Box arrived here in Poland yesterday. Everyone seems a little quiet - do you have your copies? I've only had one initial listen, but have to say there are very few surprises. Indeed, apart from the start, 'DreamYard'may as well be simply lifted straight off the studio version of 'Mojave Plan', along with all the other live tracks. I know if you listen, there are some differences, but let's face it, the band virtually reproduce studio tracks note for note, chord for chord, synth to synth live. Is it really worth releasing 'live' versions when they're virtually the same? The previously new tracks are not much to write home about either; surprise surprise, most of these have been written only by Edgar. It was interesting to note at the end of the booklet that Edgar has acknowledged the ex-band members, including Chris Franke, giving them 'special thanks'. Now how about releasing some more old material in which these members have contributed? I'm now going through the rest of the tracks. Maybe there's still a surprise or two to come... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25250 Re: Anyone else got a copy of the I-Box yet? Feldon Feldon Sat 12/2/2000 3 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 9:59 pm Subject: Another off topic Sorry folks, My compulsive collecting of all things 'Dream' has put me in the poor house. Therefore I cannot afford a good quality Internet provider or e-mail service. This means that anytime it feels like, my saved e-mails can get deleted for no apparent reason. This leaves me to scratch my head and try to remember with whom I have what deal pending. So I stand before you, red-faced and embarrassed, asking those people with whom I have a current deal pending, or even if we just kinda mentioned it in passing, would you please contact me and remind me of what we may have discussed. I remember a few: Robert G. (you have EF Ages, right?) James Owens I thank my TD friends for there patience and understanding. I am leaving the room now, you all can let the laughter begin.........(hey, even I know that this is funny) Neal From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 6:17 am Subject: i-box live studio material Hi everyone, Having recently heard the 'live' tracks included on the i-box, I felt I had to comment on a recent feature of some of TD's 'live' releases, a feature which I am amazed they can even get away with. Having listened closely to certain tracks on this boxset, I'm sure I can't be the only one to strongly suspect that most, if not all, of the material stated as being live are merely re-mixed studio versions. Have 'Cool At Heart' and 'Crystal Curfew' ever even been played live anywhere? Surely the live version of 'Electric Lion' played in 1990 had no guitars in it? Are those effects on the drums and other sounds on several other tracks merely to give them a live feel? Where is Paul Griesbach's additional saxaphone on 'Long Island Sunset' and 'Melrose'? And as for 'Mojave Plan' on the Perth recording, why isn't this the extended live version that they always seemed to play in 1981 and 82? Every live rendition I've ever heard of this track has been longer than that on 'White Eagle'. And now, a perfect-sounding short version mysteriously appears. Conclusion? You tell me, but I know what I think. TD's integrity seems to be a thing of the past now. What with re-releases with an extra track tacked on the end, 'live' material that suspiciously sounds lilke re-hashed studio versions, old recordings either released with sound faults or unneccessary overdubs. And to think, Edgar used to complain about record companies 'prostituting' TD's music. This is exactly what he is doing to it now! And he wonders why there is such a big demand for fans collecting unofficial live recordings. It's because it's the only chance we get to hear the real live TD! Don't get me wrong, nothing would please me more in this world than for TD to release some live material from days gone by, as long as they leave it to exist in its original state. A lot of the people on this list have an encyclopaedic knowledge of TD's concerts and music, and we know when something has been altered or falsified in some way. The sooner Edgar realises this and starts to release what we really want, the better for all concerned. - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25247 Re: i-box live studio material Feldon Feldon Fri 12/1/2000 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 10:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] i-box live studio material >From: 'Chris Owen' > >Hi everyone, > Surely the live version of 'Electric Lion' played in 1990 had no guitars in it? Much 1990 material had added guitar and keyboard work. >Where is Paul Griesbach's additional saxaphone on 'Long Island Sunset' and >'Melrose'? Not included on the backing DAT they brought with them? >And as for 'Mojave Plan' on the Perth recording, why isn't this the >extended live version that they always seemed to play in 1981 and 82? A much shortened version of Mojave Plan premiered in late 1982 and played through 1983 as an encore. The version played at the Dominion Oct 1982 concert (missing from Logos) was still the extra-long version you describe (of which, the best version is probably found on Ratikon/Fractal Realities) so I'm not sure when the new version premiered or if it simply depended on their mood which version they played. >And to think, Edgar used to complain about record companies 'prostituting' >TD's music. This is exactly what he is doing to it now! And he wonders why >there is such a big demand for fans collecting unofficial live recordings. >It's because it's the only chance we get to hear the real live TD! >Don't get me wrong, nothing would please me more in this world than for TD >to release some live material from days gone by, as long as they leave it >to exist in its original state. A lot of the people on this list have an >encyclopaedic knowledge of TD's concerts and music, and we know when >something has been altered or falsified in some way. Chris, you can't have it both ways. You can't complain about improvised versions of the songs played live but then also complain when a track labeled 'live' is identical to the studio release. I'm not accusing you of anything as I have not heard the i-Box myself. After listening to it, I may concur with your opinions! As soon as I get my i-Box, I will compare it to the concert recordings I've heard so far (I don't profess to be an expert on this, as revealed on my Studiomiles flub last week!) -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 3:47 am Subject: Thanks TDI i received my I-Box from TDI a few days ago. included with it were a couple of souvenirs from the Ground Liftaz event. a post card announcing the event and another card for the event which is very nicely illustrated on both sides. but above all else i want to thank TDI for this great Christmas gift which is the I-Box. this is a beautiful set and the music on it is wonderful. i really love disc 6 which is the Perth Tapes. now this is some great music. it sure was cool for them to give us this set at such a good price. now who could complain at a little over 8 bucks a disc which includes shipping. i personally would have paid alot more for this set, but luckily i didn't have too. also i think alot more fans will buy this set because of its low price. Have a great Christmas and a happy New Year all at TDI and also to all on this list. Tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 4:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Weird titles are you sure Scott? i could have sworn that Jerome came up with that name. :-) -- On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:21:28 Scott wrote: >>My Name is Bad Hair > >Yeah, and they claimed they stopped doing drugs in 1973. Sure Ed, we believe >you! :-) But seriously, the above title was NOT picked by TD. It's from the >Silva release of Dead Solid Perfect. The titles were chosen by the fine >folks at Silva. >Scott > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anyone else got a copy of the I-Box yet? >From: 'Roger Hartopp' > >A copy of the I-Box arrived here in Poland yesterday. Everyone seems >a little quiet - do you have your copies? > >I've only had one initial listen, but have to say there are very few >surprises. Indeed, apart from the start, 'DreamYard'may as well be >simply lifted straight off the studio version of 'Mojave Plan', along >with all the other live tracks. I know if you listen, there are some >differences, but let's face it, the band virtually reproduce studio >tracks note for note, chord for chord, synth to synth live. Is it >really worth releasing 'live' versions when they're virtually the >same? The previously new tracks are not much to write home about >either; surprise surprise, most of these have been written only by >Edgar. Truly sad considering how many highly improvised versions of 1980-1982 tracks exist on various concert recordings that few people have had the pleasure of hearing. I love the THIRTY minute version of 'Poland' as played in Tokyo. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box Pricing >From: Sean Montgomery > >This news comes too late for those of you who have already ordered the >I-Box through the TDI site, but the set's price continues to fall on the >websites of major online retailers. CDNow and CD Universe both now have >it for around $32.50, and using coupons available at >http://cdshopper.cjb.net/ pretty much covers the cost of shipping. At >this rate, I think I may cave in and get it after all. CDNow.com wants $40.49 for it and says it's not available until December 12th. CDUniverse.com has it for $32.41 and also says its availability date is December 12th. ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 12:08 am Subject: Selling Autographed The Man Inside Soundtrack Sorry if this is a repost. I have had email problems. I just put the following up on ebay: THE KEEP SOUNDTRACK (TDI version) and http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515630710 THE MAN INSIDE SOUNDTRACK (EMI FRANCE) with Paul Haslinger AUTOGRAPH on insert. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515632977 These are two of my rarest TD releases, and I'm letting them go to raise funds for the new family I've started. My boy Logan is the greatest. No time to collect anymore. Anyway, I hope you'll take a look at them: From: 'Tom Melrose' Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 3:33 am Subject: Edgar and Jerome Top 10 1: Dream Sculpture (from What A Blast) 2: Fairfax (from Holywood Years 1) 3: Red Roadster (from Rockoon) 4: Bride In Cold Tears (From Dream Mixes 1) 5: Firetongues (From Turn of the Tides) 6: Catwalk (From Tyranny of Beauty) 7: Big City Dwarves (From Rockoon) 8: Ca va Ca Marche-Ca Ira Encore (From Tan-go) 9: Waterborne (From Oasis) 10:Elf June and the Midnight Patrol (from Goblins Club) Tom (Melrose) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25259 Edgar and Jerome Top 10 colin anderson Tue 12/5/2000 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: homepage update & holiday Hi all, just before leaving on a holiday with no email access until Dec 19, I have updated my homepage. There are news in newstuff.txt , my swap and sales list has been updated, and the concert collectors will find a few new, interesting hints in remcorr.txt This month's rarity is a TD cartoon, not a MP3 as usual. Hope you'll like it ! http://www.caby.de/Music best regards klaus From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles > what is 'naff'? Crap From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Dec 4, 2000 5:15 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks Hi all, I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff only by the way): 1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside') 2. 'Towards the Evening Star' ('Goblins Club') 3. 'Fort Worth Runway One' ('Goblins Club' digipak/'Dream Encores') 4. 'Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne Va Plus - Sunrise Club Mix)' ('Limited World Tour Edition 1997' CD single/'Dream Mixes III' pre-release 12' single) 5. 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' ('Shepherd's Bush' CD single/'Dream Encores') 6. 'Ca Va, Ca Marche, Ca Ira Encore' ('Dream Dice Silver'/'Tang-go') 7. 'Dare to Change' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2') 8. 'Summer Storm' ('Oasis') 9. 'Riding the Lizard Overland' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2') 10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm') I wanted to include 'Desert Dream', 'Monolight' and 'Logos (Blue Part)' from 'Tangents', but I know it would start a flame war because they are new versions of old tracks despite the fact that they were all completely re-recorded in 1994). On the other hand, it could be argued that some of the above are not 90's tracks either...pity we can't include anything from the 3 'Classics Edition' CDs either, because 'Phaedra from Nottingham' would be straight in there too... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25258 Re: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Gabe Yedid Tue 12/5/2000 2 KB 25263 Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Trac Paul Fellows Tue 12/5/2000 3 KB 25290 Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tra Roger Hartopp Fri 12/8/2000 5 KB 25294 Re: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Roger Hartopp Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB 25265 Re: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten tomx01@w... Tue 12/5/2000 2 KB From: tomx01@w... Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: Edgar and Jerome Top 10 1: Dream Sculpture 2: Fairfax 3: Red Roadster 4: Firetongues 5: Elf June and the Midnight Patrol 6: Bride in Cold Tears 7: Comets Figure Head 8: Waterborne 9: Big City Dwarves 10:Oriental Haze Tom (Melrose) From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Dec 4, 2000 11:41 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks >===== Original Message From 'Paul Fellows' ===== >Hi all, > >I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally >impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff >only by the way): > >1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside') Sorry to burst your bubble Paul, but this is a late '80s track that's Froese/Haslinger... >10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm') were we allowed to include Edgar solo tracks??? That would change my top 10 list a whole lot... Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 10:57 am Subject: Edgar and Jerome Top 10 1. Timesquare (Dream Mixes 2) 2. Waterborne (Tournado version) 3. Rising haul in silence (Tournado version) 4. Lamb with radar eyes (Tournado version) 5. Pixel pirates (Dream Mixes 2) 6. Outland (Mars Polaris) 7. Bride in cold tears (Dream Mixes 1) 8. Touchwood (Rockoon) 9. Twilight brigade (Turn of the Tides) 10. 220 volt (220 Volt) From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 12:02 pm Subject: Clip of the week Hello all! I found an interesting link for those of you who like Pink Floyd. A twelve minute webcast containing music and history of the group. It will be available until 15th of Jan and it is free. You'll have to bear with an American Express commercial first but it's worth it. Here is the link: http://www.dmusic.com/news/news.php?id=3543 Enjoy! /Olle From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 12:05 pm Subject: '86 shows and things the audience have said Glynn Naughton wrote: The Montreal show features probably the loudest audience scream in the history of rock concerts during the quiet piano bit. Some guy takes it upon himself to announce 'YEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!', A guy in the audience at the Edinburgh Playhouse show went one better. During Paul H's quiet piano intro of the first encore before Rare Bird, the guy (who'd had a bucketful to drink) roared in a broad Scottish voice 'Gawn yerself - GAWN YERSELF BIG BOY!' Paul shook his head laughing and even Edgar gave a wry grin and had a laugh. Welcome to Scotland..... Any more things from the audiences? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25262 Re: '86 shows and things the audience have said Heiko Heerssen Tue 12/5/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] '86 shows and things the audience have said colin anderson schrieb: > Any more things from the audiences? Yes, Hamburg Congress Center 16.10.1980....Throughout the concert some guy in the audience is roaring & shouting, it's completely nerve-racking. Near the end of the concert some other guy is shouting 'Halt's Maul!!'..which means 'Shut up!'. This always reminds me of Robert de Niro in the remake of 'Cape of Fear' where he is sitting one on of the front seats in the cinema, smoking and laughing all the time ;-) Another one of my favourites is Mainz Elzer Hof 29.10.76, about three or four minutes of senseless improvisation it's obvious that TD lost their way, and suddenly someone is roaring 'Do something!!'...and after this it's really getting better. Another memorable moment is the encore, just a few seconds after Edgar is playing the first note the same guy (?) is screaming 'Rock'n'Roll!!' Heiko From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 2:43 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks ---------- >De�: Gabe Yedid >� : tadream@egroups.com >Objet�: RE: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks >Date�: Mar 5 d�c 2000 0:41 > >>===== Original Message From 'Paul Fellows' ===== >>Hi all, >> >>I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally >>impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff >>only by the way): >> >>1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside') > > Sorry to burst your bubble Paul, but this is a late '80s track that's > Froese/Haslinger... Perhaps, but it wasn't released until 1991 on CD, so it counts... > >>10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm') > > were we allowed to include Edgar solo tracks??? Why not? It's an 'Eddie' track...and let's face it, there are some tracks on 'Beyond the Storm' which mysteriously appear on TD albums too...see my pages for more details. Loosen up man, we're voting for our favourite TD tracks, not for the next US president (thank God, because it'd go on for ever...) > > Gabe > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: > http://MailAndNews.com > > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25290 Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tra Roger Hartopp Fri 12/8/2000 5 KB 25294 Re: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Roger Hartopp Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 8:58 pm Subject: ISP Can anyone in the UK suggest any ISP's they are happy with. I would be grateful for your ideas. I'm getting *********************** off with mine. Thanks David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25430 Re: ISP Matthew Stringer Tue 12/19/2000 2 KB From: tomx01@w... Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 9:08 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks Well if Ed and Jerry can include Mothers Of Rain, Too Hot for my Chinchilla and Three Bikes In the Sky on Tan-go then I guess. Just a thought, I'd hate to see anyone disenfrancised. Tom (Melrose) From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 3:02 am Subject: New CD Now discount coupon! Hi there. There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase 39.95, expires december 29. The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the I-box cheaper. There you go. -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w... #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25267 Re: New CD Now discount coupon! John Marchington Wed 12/6/2000 3 KB 25280 Re: New CD Now discount coupon! tom george Fri 12/8/2000 3 KB 25285 Re: New CD Now discount coupon! snowdog747@a... Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB 25307 Re: New CD Now discount coupon! =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Alberto Sun 12/10/2000 3 KB 29973 New CD Now discount coupon! Miguel Farah F. Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 5:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon! Thanks for the advice, Miguel. I've just been to CD Now and ordered the I-box. I notice that it's not being released till 12 December. Funny, I was under the impression that it was already available. Anyway, the discount almost covers the postage to Aotearoa, so it's some saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Miguel Farah F.' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon! > Hi there. > > There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase > 39.95, expires december 29. > > The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 > > BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the > I-box cheaper. > > > There you go. > > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w... > #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel > <*> > 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' > - Sledge Hammer > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 2:12 pm Subject: TD on vinyl available Hey all! I just cleaned out my last bits of TD-vinyl some time ago, but when scouring through some of Stockholms secondhand-shops I found some gems... Didn�t buy them, but if any of you guys are interested, I�d be happy to help you. I found: -TD: Staatsgrenz West (2 copies) -EF: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale (the re-issue, Virgin OVED) -EF: Kamikaze 1989 Just reply or mail me offlist, and we�ll arrange something... All the best Jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25270 Re: TD on vinyl available Frank Arellano Wed 12/6/2000 3 KB 25274 Re: TD on vinyl available Jim Rasmussen Thu 12/7/2000 3 KB 25286 Re: TD on vinyl available olle.rundgren@s... Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB 25301 Re: TD on vinyl available Jim Rasmussen Sat 12/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Tom Melrose' Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: D: [studio] Great Wall Of China Tangerine Dream - Great Wall Of China 1: Meng Tian Reminds me of Transiberia, but not as repetitive ... quite. Once the melody develops it sounds similar to Astrophobia. Nothing spectcular IMO. 2: Summer in Shauxi As much as I love Korgs, even I can get sick of the half piano/half guitar M1 patch. That said I like this tune, but a whole album of this would be a bit much so maybe I'll lay off Seven Letters from Tibet for now. 3: The South Gate Knights This is much better. More choir synth ala Dream Sculpture over a repetitive bass sequence reminicent of Astral Voyager. A delightful track which is slowly built up similar to the style of Convention of the 24 or Pilots of Purple Twilight. 4: Silence the barking Monk After the weird opening, a track that save for the synth sounds wouldn't sound too out of place on Optical Race. Very timid drums in rapidly changing patterns.Although it sounds like a few doodles stuck together it is suprisingly pleasant. 5: Zhu Zhanji A very slow opening that leads to a fairly slow drum pattern and mediocre tune. Nothing to see here, move along. 6: Stranded Without Shade A combination of overlayed sequences lead into a basic chord sequence and the enevitable drum pattern. A fairly pleasent mix of washy chords and pleasant melody doesn't take the track too far but at least it takes a fairly scenic route. 7: No More Candles Burning Listening to this track, you'd almost swear you'd heard it 10 minutes ago. Very similar to earlier material on the CD just a little slower. 8: Lights Of Beijing Another slow piano and synth melody track with a few weird sound effects thrown in for good measure. Although nothing special compositionally, some of the better piano playing/sequencing since the Haslinger days. Definetly a grower this one. 9: Snow on Dragon's Peak Straight down to business with this track, no fancy intro or effects. The drums are pleasantly subdued to the beautiful melodies and sweeping unobstrusive chords. 10: Cradle Of Prodigies A lovely echoey sitar is quickly complemented by the chords and oriental vocal samples to set a nice background to this piece. Then the sequence kicks in, in a more Logos fashion than anything recently. A series of cascading short sequences of notes blend nicely with the bass sequence and one is reminded of the glory days but we change to a Dream Mixes style track and all is lost. 11: Tiger Forest A gentle break beat leads the finds track into not a whole lot. Eventually some form of sequence appears but is given nothing to blend with. Just before I was about to give up and change the CD a harp sound goes someway to saving the track from total suckdom, but it's still probably the weakest track on the CD IMO. Overall, breaking this CD down track by track, there only seem to be two or three worthy tracks but on the whole it is quite a pleasant listening experience. 2.5 out of 5 From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on vinyl available Jim, as I have heard good things about Epsilon In Malayasian Pale I would be interested in how much it would cost. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Rasmussen' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:12 AM Subject: [tadream] TD on vinyl available Hey all! I just cleaned out my last bits of TD-vinyl some time ago, but when scouring through some of Stockholms secondhand-shops I found some gems... Didn�t buy them, but if any of you guys are interested, I�d be happy to help you. I found: -TD: Staatsgrenz West (2 copies) -EF: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale (the re-issue, Virgin OVED) -EF: Kamikaze 1989 Just reply or mail me offlist, and we�ll arrange something... All the best Jim PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25274 Re: TD on vinyl available Jim Rasmussen Thu 12/7/2000 3 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 1:10 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 Update Hey TD & EM friends, Here's an update on who is officially going to the Swamp next April: 1. Dave Brewer (EM artist on the first Oke CD) 2. Tom 3. Marion 4. Roger 5. Frank 6. Marcel - Free System Projekt 7. Jim 8. John - Air Sculpture 9. Pete - Air Sculpture 10. Bob 11. Vic 12. Bill I have only used first names just in case someone would not like to be mentioned, but contact me immediately if you think you are going to the event (or want to go), but are not on the list - I've had a flurry of e-mails lately about getting into this event. This event is already double than we had last year, but I have received many e-mails that others may join us. I have ONLY 4 spots left unless I can reserve another cottage. But in reality we are close to being booked because I plan to save some room for Edgar and Jerome (or his staff) if they choose to participate :-) If you wish to come (or your family or friends), please let me know immediately, so I can look at other options. I would like to have the final party list finalized by mid January. Any late-comers can join us at the campsite or nearby (50 miles) motel ;-) Maybe I sound a little brash, but I have a day job too. I just want to have a good time with fellow TD/EM enthusiasts. Life is short - let's have a good time to remember (so we can pass it down to our children)! Vic From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 3:20 am Subject: Steve Jolliffe reviews Reviews of several Steve Jolliffe CD's can be found on the space.com Web site under the following URL: www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_jolliffe_000615.html. I hope you enjoy the reviews. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 4:05 pm Subject: Re: [audiences Talking about some of the things that audiences are heard saying on some of the tapes, how about the bit on the Santa Monica 77 tape, during Cherokee Lane, where someone says something to the effect of 'Hey, do you know what album this comes off of?'. Uhm, it's from the album they're gonna release after this tour. :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25275 Re: [audiences Feldon Feldon Thu 12/7/2000 3 KB From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available Frank wrote: >Jim, as I have heard good things about Epsilon In Malayasian Pale I >would be interested in how much it would cost. >Thanks Hi Frank! It really is a great album! I recently saw it mentioned in Swedish magazine for musicians listed as one of the greatest Mellotron- albums, referring to track two on the LP, 'Maroubra Bay'. I�m not interested in making any profits on deals like this, I�m happy with helping EM-lovers finding stuff they want. (How'd that sound? , a regular saint, I�m not always like that ;) The store unfortunately know how rare this has become, so they ask 150 SEK = 16 US Dollars for it, even if it�s a re-release. (Condition's great though, both cover and record.) Shipping to the States is kind of pricy here in Sweden, so you have to add another $12 for that... BUT - I just saw it on e-bay.com for just $8, the original 1975 release on Brain records, located in Frisco! Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=512854797 and start bidding. Hope you get it, as I said it�s one of the good ones! All the best Jim Sweden From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [audiences Can you give a track time on this? >From: Chris Richards >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: [audiences >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:05:34 -0800 (PST) > >Talking about some of the things that audiences >are heard saying on some of the tapes, how about >the bit on the Santa Monica 77 tape, during >Cherokee Lane, where someone says something to >the effect of 'Hey, do you know what album this >comes off of?'. Uhm, it's from the album they're >gonna release after this tour. :-) > > > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl >Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Brandnew 'White Out' Hi dreamers, today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'! It's a great item. The front cover is black with a small picture of the original coverprint. This actual version had been rerecorded and remixed in 2000 - and it's got two additional new tracks! The tracks are: 1. white out 10:26 2. navigator's chatter 5:48 3. icewalk 6:11 4. the big nail 4:08 5. rain echeos 6:39 (new) 6. native eye, native ear 4:58 7. a great continent 8:14 8. a long way home 4:24 (new) 9. anian path 5:48 10. icewalk 6:25 (mix 2000) The 6-page booklet includes 4 pages with a statement by Johannes Schmoelling over the 'white out'- conception (in German language). Very interesting. It's a real great item. If you want more information look on the Johannes Schmoelling - Homepage http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm and wait for updated 'News'. Dream on Uwe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25278 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Heiko Heerssen Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB 25279 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Patrik . Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB 25295 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Jonathan Hierholzer Fri 12/8/2000 4 KB 25332 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Gabe Yedid Mon 12/11/2000 2 KB 25333 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Michael A Jean Tue 12/12/2000 3 KB 25349 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Andreas Hedler Thu 12/14/2000 3 KB 25351 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' odean@m... Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25352 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Rainer Rutka Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 7:43 am Subject: 2 rare Tour Books on EBAY Hi all, on EBAY you found two auction with rare Tour Book from TD, please look under: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=520913514 and http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=520921890 Bye Heiko Neumann Burg Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out' herold.u@t... schrieb: > Hi dreamers, > > today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'! It's a great item. Thanks Uwe, now this is great news indeed. I still believe 'White out' is Johannes' best solo effort, and 2 or 3 years ago I foolishly traded my original misprint (!) copy (hi Rainer! ;-)...well, let's hope that Johannes is soon releasing a new studio album, too much time has been gone now since 'Songs no words' was released. Heiko From: 'Patrik .' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out' herold.u@t... schrieb: Hi dreamers, today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'! It's a great item. ------------ Good news!! Johannes is such a brilliant musician. a nice weekend to you all! Patrik, Stockholm ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon! it is available now from TDI. i got mine 2 weeks ago. tom -- On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:00:34 John Marchington wrote: >Thanks for the advice, Miguel. I've just been to CD Now and ordered the >I-box. I notice that it's not being released till 12 December. Funny, I was >under the impression that it was already available. Anyway, the discount >almost covers the postage to Aotearoa, so it's some saving. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:02 PM >Subject: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon! > > >> Hi there. >> >> There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase >> 39.95, expires december 29. >> >> The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 >> >> BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the >> I-box cheaper. >> >> >> There you go. >> >> >> -- >> MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w... >> #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel >> <*> >> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' >> - Sledge Hammer >> >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Jonathan Hierholzer Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 7:55 am Subject: new to list hello! Hi everyone, I recently got into TD and just wanted to say hi to all the list members. Also checking to see if this is the right address! :-) Jonathan H. / cool_piccolo _____________________________________________________________ -- hate microsoft? tired of hotmail? -- your free mail @ http://www.8-0.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25296 SV: [tadream] new to list hello! Pergamon Sat 12/9/2000 2 KB From: 'S.C.Slator' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:10 pm Subject: Simon Slator is BACK... in more ways than one! Hello again. Been a good few months since I last posted. Well, that's student life for you! Just a few things to start off with: 1. I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and found the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can I confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo over a blue/white gradient backdrop? 2. I've also started a reviews site that deals with minority genres such as progressive and e-music. Next issue (coming next Monday/Tuesday) will feature a section called 'Worth Hunting Down', of which Peter Baumann's 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' will be the pioneer. The address is http://www.simonslator.co.uk/aaa 3. Some of you may remember my e-music endeavors (sp?), and I've just issued my fifth album. This is the 'promo blerb' that goes with it: If 'Cold Sun' was my 'Ricochet' and 'The Mosaic Effect' was my 'Force Majeure'... ... 'Lifeline' is my 'Pergamon' 'Lifeline', my fifth album release, is now on sale at http://www.mp3.com/simonslator for 6.99 US$. You can either order the CD online through Mp3.com, or you can mail order it direct from me for 7.25 GBP. If you want to mail order it, send me an e-mail and I'll send you details of how to go about it. The album is in two parts, running for 17:21 and 20:38 respectively. Part 1 is the more electronically intense of the two, while the second part is more soothing and relaxing. Part 1 can still be downloaded in its entirety from mp3.com along with the first movement of Part 2. Please consider buying a copy - your support is much appreciated. Let's see if we can exceed the success of 'Cold Sun' (which was released almost a year ago to the day). Thanks again, Simon Slator. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25287 Re: Simon Slator is BACK... in more ways than one Craig Chambers Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 5:52 pm Subject: TD MEMBBER IF YOU WANT,I HAVE A VIDEO + SOME TRACKS-RECORDINGS OF A LIVE-ACT FROM 'STARS SOUND ORCHESTRA' (REMEMBER MR.STEVE SCHROYDER FROM T.D.&ASHRA ?) DURING TWO TRANCE-PARTY IN PARIS,IN THE CHILL-OUT ZONE, WITH DR.STRANGE'ZEN QUIET VIBES FORMATION .ATCHAOWWWWWWWW. From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 2:27 pm Subject: OT: HEADS UP news about egroups Hey guys and gals- I'm editing out most of the anouncement I got this morning to let you know about some upcoming enhancements to egroups, which has been absorbed by Yahoo: ... > eGroups will now be called Yahoo! Groups. Don't worry, all eGroups > email and web addresses will continue to work, all data and event ... >WHAT'S NEW? > > Yahoo! Groups will have lots of new features and even better > customization. Upon launch, you will be able to: > > * Chat with other group members using our improved Yahoo! Chat. > * Add a splash of color to your group, or a main page photo, all > without knowing HTML. > * See when group members are online and communicate with group members > in real time using Yahoo! Messenger. > * Reach a larger audience. You will have the entire Yahoo! Network at > your doorstep. From: snowdog747@a... Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon! Concerning U.S. pricing for i-box. I cancelled my order at amazon after checking cduniverse as suggested on this group. Price was $32 vs $44. Now I will wait to see if they deliver quickly and it isn't some modified release package. BJG From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available >The store unfortunately know how rare this has become, so they ask >150 SEK = 16 US Dollars for it, even if it�s a re-release. Just a question of local interest to Jim: Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r cd-rariteter �sse? (I Stockholm allts�) Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25301 Re: TD on vinyl available Jim Rasmussen Sat 12/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Simon Slator is BACK... in more ways than one! > 1. I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and > found the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can > I confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo > over a blue/white gradient backdrop? The original LP that I have as well as the original CD both from Jive/Electro I believe both have the TD logo as you described. From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:50 pm Subject: rare TD auctions If anyone is interested I just placed a number of rarer TD items up for auction on e-bay. Give yourself a Christmas present! This is a link that shows all my auctions. Make sure your e-mail program does not split the link up or it will not work. OR search on my user ID 'a71spud' http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=a71spud&include\ =0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25289 Re: rare TD auctions Frank Arellano Fri 12/8/2000 3 KB 25292 Re: rare TD auctions tom george Fri 12/8/2000 3 KB 25293 Re: rare TD auctions Joel S. Mullen Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rare TD auctions < give yourself a Christmas present > My friend Tom and I have been doing this all year round! :-D Santa Klaus :-) has *really* been nice to us ! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joel S. Mullen' To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: [tadream] rare TD auctions > If anyone is interested I just placed a number of rarer TD items up for auction > on e-bay. Give yourself a Christmas present! > > This is a link that shows all my auctions. Make sure your e-mail program > does not split the link up or it will not work. OR search on my user ID 'a71spud' > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=a71spud&inc lude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 5:54 pm Subject: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks, but no chart yet... --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > > ---------- > >De�: Gabe Yedid > >� : tadream@egroups.com > >Objet�: RE: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks > >Date�: Mar 5 d�c 2000 0:41 > > > > >>===== Original Message From 'Paul Fellows' ===== > >>Hi all, > >> > >>I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally > >>impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff > >>only by the way): > >> > >>1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside') > > > > Sorry to burst your bubble Paul, but this is a late '80s track that's > > Froese/Haslinger... > > Perhaps, but it wasn't released until 1991 on CD, so it counts... > > > >>10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm') > > > > were we allowed to include Edgar solo tracks??? > > Why not? It's an 'Eddie' track...and let's face it, there are some tracks > on 'Beyond the Storm' which mysteriously appear on TD albums too...see my > pages for more details. Loosen up man, we're voting for our favourite TD > tracks, not for the next US president (thank God, because it'd go on for > ever...) > > > > > Gabe It looks like we're going to have to clarify the rules again... 1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which album (or which mix) it is. 2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991 don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set) 3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material. 4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994, `Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda. 5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD album, so all tracks on here may be included. 6. Albums released as TANGERINE DREAM please! Okay, it's a 'so- called' new rule, but I thought everyone realised it was meant to be a Tangerine Dream chart, not a solely Eddie chart. Oh dear, cue 'Zoning' flamers... go away please! It is credited to TD!!! Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points; number two given nine points, and so on down to number ten, which will receive one point. For lists posted `in no particular order', tracks will be counted as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending how you look at it), as each track will share the total points available from one to ten between them, hence each track will receive 5.5 points each. For this chart, we really needed as many of you as possible to vote as we obviously have considerably more votes to spread around Edgar & Jerome's tracks than the total number of TD albums which were voted for in the last chart. However, the number of votes cast so far as been disappointing. There is no way we can organise a credible chart for the radio show next Friday with only ten folks having voted so far. I suggest we now move this chart into the New Year so the rest of you can think about an Eddie & Jerry chart, and once we get a minimum of thirty sets of votes, then I can schedule the programme (god Joe & Lawry, I know how you feel...) I've received one off-list e-mail from someone who suggests I can go to another discussion group in Poland who are keen to take part in the vote. I shall visit them in due course and see what they have to say. In the meantime, Frank, keep your eyes peeled if any more top tens come through. I will periodically remind everybody that the voting is still open... Regards Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25294 Re: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Roger Hartopp Fri 12/8/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks, but no chart yet... >From: 'Roger Hartopp' >It looks like we're going to have to clarify the rules again... > > >1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which >album (or which mix) it is. > >2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991 >don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set) > >3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material. > >4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994, >`Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda. I've never seen the movie Zoning so I can't say if the 1994 version is significantly different than the as-used soundtrack Edgar and Chris recorded in 1985-86. Recount? >5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may >contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD >album, so all tracks on here may be included. I disagree with this one but I'd have to pick through it and judge which tracks are significantly new and which ones are thematically tied to the past. I ignore labels. Folks, please don't rubber stamp Phaedra, Logos Blue, or Sorcerer & Thief as your 90's selections because these 3 versions premiered in 1986 and have not evolved much (nothing wrong with that!) since then. And you can't call The Keep (unless you are referring to the 5-6 tracks which have NO bearing on the movie and are essentially EF solo tracks) a 1990's TD album. >6. Albums released as TANGERINE DREAM please! Okay, it's a 'so- >called' new rule, but I thought everyone realised it was meant to be >a Tangerine Dream chart, not a solely Eddie chart. Oh dear, cue >'Zoning' flamers... go away please! It is credited to TD!!! It's ok, only the title and end tracks of Zoning, which are credited to EF and JF, would ever appear on my top list (and not quite in slots 1-10). *smirk* -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rare TD auctions my sentiments exactly Frank. that is the first thing i thought of when i read this. Christmas falls about 3 times a week at my place...year round. tom -- On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:40:04 Frank Arellano wrote: >< give yourself a Christmas present > My friend Tom and I have been doing >this all year round! :-D Santa Klaus :-) has *really* been nice to us ! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >To: >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:50 AM >Subject: [tadream] rare TD auctions > > >> If anyone is interested I just placed a number of rarer TD items up for >auction >> on e-bay. Give yourself a Christmas present! >> >> This is a link that shows all my auctions. Make sure your e-mail program >> does not split the link up or it will not work. OR search on my user ID >'a71spud' >> >> >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=a71spud&inc >lude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 >> >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] rare TD auctions At least it is a good excuse..... always looking for a good excuse... ;-) On Friday, December 08, 2000 1:41 PM, tom george [SMTP:eloy-usa@a...] wrote: > my sentiments exactly Frank. that is the first thing i thought of when i read this. Christmas falls about 3 times a week at my place...year round. > tom From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks, but no chart yet... Just to reitterate my point regards the problems we have with so few votes cast so far: The clear leader in our poll (Subject to verfication from Frank) has thirty points, but only three people have voted for it (and they all gave it ten points each). It's always possible the others may not think much of it. Many of the points cast are too thinly spread, and any track at this stage which gets maximum points ends up getting a high chart position. So if two people decide to give 'Dreamtime' (vocal version) top marks at this stage, it would get in the overall top ten. Would that be a true reflection of fans' faves? And no, I'm not going to tell you what the current leader is... ;) Regards Roger Hartopp From: Jonathan Hierholzer Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out' Speaking of Amazon, I ordered the Dream Mixes Vol. 1 and it was a special order (4-6 weeks). I'm still holding my breath to see if it will come. Anybody know how it is? I like the song 'Little Blonde...' and the sample of the Thai dub sounded really cool. I'm a big progreesive trance haed (among other things) so I can't wait to hear some of these dancey-trancey remixes! Jonathan / cool_piccolo --- Heiko Heerssen > wrote: > > >herold.u@t... schrieb: > >> Hi dreamers, >> >> today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'! It's a great item. > >Thanks Uwe, >now this is great news indeed. I still believe 'White out' is Johannes' best solo effort, and 2 or 3 years ago I foolishly traded my original misprint (!) copy (hi Rainer! >;-)...well, let's hope that Johannes is soon releasing a new studio album, too much time has been gone now since 'Songs no words' was released. > >Heiko > > > >-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> >eLerts >It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! >http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/24785/_/976262301/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net _____________________________________________________________ -- hate microsoft? tired of hotmail? -- your free mail @ http://www.8-0.net From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 2:08 am Subject: SV: [tadream] new to list hello! Hello Jonathan Welcome, hope you will enjoy all the information, discussions and so forth. Jan mailto:pergamon@g... > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Jonathan Hierholzer [mailto:jonathan@8...] > Sendt: 8. december 2000 08:55 > Til: tadream@egroups.com > Emne: [tadream] new to list hello! > > > Hi everyone, I recently got into TD and just wanted to say hi to > all the list members. Also checking to see if this is the right > address! :-) Jonathan H. / cool_piccolo > > _____________________________________________________________ > -- hate microsoft? tired of hotmail? -- your free mail @ http://www.8-0.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 3:45 pm Subject: Adaptec/Soundforge I know a lot of you guys use Adaptec and I wondered if anyone uses soundforge wave editor. I have been having some hassle and would like some advice. Please mail me on or off list if you feel like giving me some help. Thanks in anticipation. Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25302 Re: Adaptec/Soundforge Feldon Feldon Sat 12/9/2000 2 KB 25303 Re: Adaptec/Soundforge -=brian=- Sat 12/9/2000 2 KB 25306 Re: Adaptec/Soundforge Feldon Feldon Sun 12/10/2000 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 4:10 pm Subject: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! HI! Hot news for all Tangerine Dream fans! GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in their magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete story about TD I found during the last years. You'll find a complete discography (TD, Solo) and a 24 pages history about the band. The text was verified by Edgar and so it's authentic. I found some very amazing things I didn't knew before. I added a special in my NEW-section in my TD-page. Here you'll find a link the the complete story, too! It's written in the german language. If there is somebody who wants to translate it - you're welcome. Send the english translation to me and I'll give it to the GERMAN ROCK pals. It'll be onto their homepage very soon (and you get the credits). I don't have the time to do it now :-( Just click onto the German Rock link, too (the one with the guitar). It's worth the time. You'll find some very interesting stories about Klaus Schulze, Ashra and many many more german bands (Rock, Electronic .....). This page is a must!!!!!!! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25300 Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by Germa Richard Ford Sat 12/9/2000 3 KB From: Winston Edmond Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 4:24 pm Subject: Re: Tyger cover 'S.C.Slator' asked: > I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and found > the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can I > confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo over > a blue/white gradient backdrop? The logo has a blue/white gradient, too. It was 'Caroline Records', though. -WBE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25305 Re: Tyger cover John Marchington Sat 12/9/2000 3 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 4:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! I take it there is no English version of the magazine/article > HI! > > Hot news for all Tangerine Dream fans! > > GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in > their > magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete > story about TD I found during the last years. > > You'll find a complete discography (TD, Solo) and a 24 pages > history > about the band. The text was verified by Edgar and so it's > authentic. > I found some very amazing things I didn't knew before. > > I added a special in my NEW-section in my TD-page. Here you'll find > a link the the complete story, too! It's written in the german > language. If there is somebody who wants to translate it - you're > welcome. Send the english translation to me and I'll give it to the > GERMAN ROCK pals. It'll be onto their homepage very soon (and you > get the credits). I don't have the time to do it now :-( > > Just click onto the German Rock link, too (the one with the > guitar). > It's worth the time. You'll find some very interesting stories > about > Klaus Schulze, Ashra and many many more german bands (Rock, > Electronic .....). > > This page is a must!!!!!!! > > �� Rainer > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - > ������������������������ www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - > > > eGroups Sponsor Click Here! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > -- Richard Ford From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 5:22 pm Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available --- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Just a question of local interest to Jim: Hey all! The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish, there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;) > Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r cd-rariteter �sse? > (I Stockholm allts�) Om det �r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyv�rr inte. Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD. Beror f�rst�s lite p� vad du menar med rariteter. Ett st�lle d�r man kan hitta saker ut�ver det vanliga �r Trespass Records p� Pipersgatan p� Kungsholmen. Det �r ingen riktig aff�r, dock... �garen driver el-firma och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med n�r tid finnes. Om du �r i krokarna l�nar det sig att knacka p�! Vad �r du p� jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hj�lpa till. Skicka ett mail, vetja! Jim From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge Well, SoundForge's weakness is the inability to perform instantaneous cutting and editing (which SoundEdit Pro, a Macintosh product, has been capable of now for 8 years). It takes FOOOOOOOORRRRRRREVER. Other than that, it's decent for filtering, etc. >From: 'Phil Wingfield' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:45:09 -0000 > >I know a lot of you guys use Adaptec and I wondered if anyone uses >soundforge wave editor. I have been having some hassle and would like some >advice. Please mail me on or off list if you feel like giving me some help. > >Thanks in anticipation. > >Phil > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25303 Re: Adaptec/Soundforge -=brian=- Sat 12/9/2000 2 KB From: -=brian=- Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge I happen to live right next door to Sonic Foundry, the company who developed SoundForge. I have to say, it's junk software. I cannot get nearly the control I want over my sounds, and even SoundEdit Pro, which is ok, puts it to shame. Sonic Foundry makes some lame software, I'm afraid... (My 2�.) -Brian on 12/9/00 11:49 AM, Feldon Feldon at feldon23@h... wrote: > Well, SoundForge's weakness is the inability to perform instantaneous > cutting and editing (which SoundEdit Pro, a Macintosh product, has been > capable of now for 8 years). It takes FOOOOOOOORRRRRRREVER. Other than that, > it's decent for filtering, etc. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 8:24 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks Hi all, OK, I was slapped on the wrist for being so bold as to include a couple of 'forbidden' (no pun intended) tracks in there, so here's the hopefully fully 'legal' list: 1. 'Dare to Change' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2') 2. 'Ca Va, Ca Marche, Ca Ira Encore' ('Dream Dice Silver') 3. 'Fort Worth Runway One' ('Goblins Club' digipak) 4. 'Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne Va Plus - Sunrise Club Mix)' ('Limited World Tour Edition 1997' CD single) 5. 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' ('Shepherd's Bush' CD single) 6. 'Stratosfear 1995' ('Tyranny of Beauty') 7. 'Towards the Evening Star' ('Goblins Club') 8. 'Summer Storm' ('Oasis') 9. 'Riding the Lizard Overland' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2') 10. 'Unfit for Consumption' (from 'Zoning') I would have liked to have included some tracks from 'Valentine Wheels' but I think it works well as a whole with the bridges included, so I reluctantly let this one go (although I don't really agree that it's a 'modern' album, after all, it's called the 'Vintage Set', so why is it all that different to 'Antique Dreams', the same idea except it's a mix of studio and live tracks?) I'm still frustrated that I can't include 'Phaedra from Nottingham', despite the fact that it comes from an album released more recently than 'Valentine Wheels'...You're 'anti-Tangentisation' obviously...not me! I think it's great that there are two different versions available and that Edgar went to the trouble of reworking the tracks when he was forced into releasing yet another compilation by Virgin... Come to think of it, there are so many rules and I've gone to a fair amount of trouble to put this list together, no wonder no-one is voting! Oh, and I think that 5.5 points each just because you say 'in no particular order' is a bit silly too...a chart is by definition the most popular at the top and the least at the bottom...wouldn't it be great if all the artists in the top 40 got equal shares of the royalties just because they got into the chart... Paul From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 10:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tyger cover I have the Jive Electro CD (CHIP 47) of 'Tyger' (as well as the Relativity CD with the extra 'Vigour' track on it) . The JE insert has the TD logo on the front -- white to blue gradient (top to bottom) on a blue to white gradient (top to bottom). The words TANGERINE DREAM and TYGER are in small sans serif uppercase top left and top right, so it sounds very similar, if not identical, to the LP cover. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Winston Edmond' To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:24 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Tyger cover > 'S.C.Slator' asked: > > I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and found > > the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can I > > confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo over > > a blue/white gradient backdrop? > > The logo has a blue/white gradient, too. > It was 'Caroline Records', though. > -WBE > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge So CoolEdit it is? >From: -=brian=- >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:53:08 -0600 > >I happen to live right next door to Sonic Foundry, the company who >developed >SoundForge. I have to say, it's junk software. I cannot get nearly the >control I want over my sounds, and even SoundEdit Pro, which is ok, puts it >to shame. Sonic Foundry makes some lame software, I'm afraid... > >(My 2�.) > >-Brian > >on 12/9/00 11:49 AM, Feldon Feldon at feldon23@h... wrote: > > > Well, SoundForge's weakness is the inability to perform instantaneous > > cutting and editing (which SoundEdit Pro, a Macintosh product, has been > > capable of now for 8 years). It takes FOOOOOOOORRRRRRREVER. Other than >that, > > it's decent for filtering, etc. > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: Carlos Alberto Mart�nez Salas Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 2:35 am Subject: Re: New CD Now discount coupon! Hi: I used the coupon (thanx!!) and got a real bargain: �less than 30 bucks for the set! true see ya!!! Carlos pd. BTW, I was listening to Antique Dreams (great album), and, as you have noticed before, I think it's completly unreal that the track called Southend Mall was intended to be in Le Parc album: just remember Le Parc was about 'parks', Ed... �what does a 'mall' has to do with a 'park'?, On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:00:34 John Marchington wrote: >Thanks for the advice, Miguel. I've just been to CD Now and ordered the >I-box. I notice that it's not being released till 12 December. Funny, I was >under the impression that it was already available. Anyway, the discount >almost covers the postage to Aotearoa, so it's some saving. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:02 PM >Subject: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon! > > >> Hi there. >> >> There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase >> 39.95, expires december 29. >> >> The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 >> >> BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the >> I-box cheaper. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 3:34 pm Subject: Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! >GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in their >magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete >story about TD I found during the last years. Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never seen anything that long written about TD. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25309 Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by Germa Richard Ford Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB 25310 Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by Germa Rainer Rutka Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB 25442 Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by Germa Joe Shoults Wed 12/20/2000 3 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! > >GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in > their > >magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete > >story about TD I found during the last years. > > Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've > never seen anything that long written about TD. I second that -- Richard From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > >GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in their > >magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete > >story about TD I found during the last years. > Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never seen anything that long written about TD. > Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) Good idea! But, you'll want to translate it :-)? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td (Updated LINKS-page!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:11 pm Subject: 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV Ein TV-Tipp f�r Leser in Deutschland: A TV hint for listmembers in Germany: Montag, 11. Dezember: 02.15-03.52 Kabel 1 'Mord am Rainbow Drive' Regie: Bobby Roth (USA 1990). Mit Peter Weller Musik: Tangerine Dream Cheers Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25331 Re: 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV Michael A Jean Mon 12/11/2000 3 KB 25350 New WHITE-OUT available! Rainer Rutka Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25353 Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling ar Rainer Rutka Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 4:37 pm Subject: Pergamon I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: how to translate 28-page article altavista has a translate function on their site. You can enter the web address of the page to be translated, or cut & paste text. I tried entering the web address and translating all at once, but only a bit got translated. Of course, I am using webtv (gave all my $$ to Bowie, none left for computer). So if you're using a real set-up, it may translate the whole thing for you. You can choose which language you want to translate to and from. Give it a shot. Mike AltaVista Translations Address:http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:09 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! Hi all I have just translated the article using Altavista, and I'm working on it to turn it into intelligible English (automatic translators come up with strange turns of phrase sometimes...) I'll post a message when I've finished (but any Germans out there who would be willing to proofread it, please get in touch) Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25317 Re: Re : [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tange Rainer Rutka Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:26 pm Subject: Re: audiences About the comment I mentioend before that's heard on the Santa Monica 77 version of Cherokee Lane, someone asked: <> It's near the end, you can hear it quite clearly, it must either be the taper him/herself talking or someone VERY close to him/her. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pergamon From: David Foster > I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, > but is Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ? Enhanced. Part one has some minor fixes and alterations to the original performance but part two is, as far as I know, almost entirely a studio creation. Maff From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:38 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all > I have just translated the article using Altavista, and I'm working on it to > turn it into intelligible English (automatic translators come up with > strange turns of phrase sometimes...) > I'll post a message when I've finished (but any Germans out there who would > be willing to proofread it, please get in touch) > Paul OK Paul! Send it to me and I'll put it onto the net. I'm a member of 'German Rock' so I have the possibilities to add it onto their site, too. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pergamon Pergamon is, I think, closer to the original concert than Quichotte. I could have it backwards though. Only on fantapes/bootlegs does a real tape of the concert exist. It's still a sweet CD. It's not missing much. And the modifications/tangentizations were performed in 1980, not in the 90's. Also, I don't want to start a huge debate, but I have the White Cloths tapes and after listening to part III on it, I'm pretty convinced that this is from either the afternoon show (of which there is question that it actually occured or that a tape actually exists), or a different show, because there's 9 minutes of improvisation there that I haven't heard anywhere else before. Morgan >From: 'David Foster' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Pergamon >Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:37:49 -0000 > >I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is >Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ? > >David > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Johan Edberg' Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:09 pm Subject: SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Hej! Sorry folks.. Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =) Jim. �r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde l�g vid Br�vallagatan/R�rstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan? Jag har inte varit d�r p� ett par �r... // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000 > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> Just a question of local interest to Jim: > >Hey all! >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish, >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;) > >> Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r >cd-rariteter �sse? >> (I Stockholm allts�) > >Om det �r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyv�rr inte. >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD. >Beror f�rst�s lite p� vad du menar med rariteter. >Ett st�lle d�r man kan hitta saker ut�ver det vanliga �r >Trespass Records p� Pipersgatan p� Kungsholmen. > >Det �r ingen riktig aff�r, dock... �garen driver el-firma >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med n�r tid finnes. >Om du �r i krokarna l�nar det sig att knacka p�! > >Vad �r du p� jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hj�lpa till. >Skicka ett mail, vetja! > >Jim > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25336 Answer to Johan (in esperanto) Jim Rasmussen Tue 12/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:33 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Hej! Sorry even once more for the Swedish... N�gon som �r sugen p� att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde ordna en liten 'skivjakt'... Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden > Hej! > Sorry folks.. > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =) > > Jim. �r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde l�g vid Br�vallagatan/R�rstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan? > Jag har inte varit d�r p� ett par �r... > > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden > > > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000 > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available > > > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim: > > > >Hey all! > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish, > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;) > > > >> Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r > >cd-rariteter �sse? > >> (I Stockholm allts�) > > > >Om det �r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyv�rr inte. > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD. > >Beror f�rst�s lite p� vad du menar med rariteter. > >Ett st�lle d�r man kan hitta saker ut�ver det vanliga �r > >Trespass Records p� Pipersgatan p� Kungsholmen. > > > >Det �r ingen riktig aff�r, dock... �garen driver el-firma > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med n�r tid finnes. > >Om du �r i krokarna l�nar det sig att knacka p�! > > > >Vad �r du p� jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hj�lpa till. > >Skicka ett mail, vetja! > > > >Jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25321 Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl a Totta Mon 12/11/2000 4 KB 25322 Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl a Antonio Nunes Mon 12/11/2000 2 KB 25323 Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl a Totta Mon 12/11/2000 2 KB 25327 Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl a Feldon Feldon Mon 12/11/2000 4 KB 25329 Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl a Totta Mon 12/11/2000 5 KB 25340 Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl a Joe Shoults Tue 12/12/2000 2 KB From: Totta Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 10:16 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Hej Sorry for the swedish Jag e alltid sugen p� s�danna saker s� , count me in, Totta Thomas wrote: > Hej! > > Sorry even once more for the Swedish... > N�gon som �r sugen p� att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde ordna > en liten 'skivjakt'... > > Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden > > > Hej! > > Sorry folks.. > > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =) > > > > Jim. �r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde l�g vid > Br�vallagatan/R�rstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan? > > Jag har inte varit d�r p� ett par �r... > > > > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000 > > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' > > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available > > > > > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim: > > > > > >Hey all! > > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish, > > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;) > > > > > >> Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r > > >cd-rariteter �sse? > > >> (I Stockholm allts�) > > > > > >Om det �r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyv�rr inte. > > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD. > > >Beror f�rst�s lite p� vad du menar med rariteter. > > >Ett st�lle d�r man kan hitta saker ut�ver det vanliga �r > > >Trespass Records p� Pipersgatan p� Kungsholmen. > > > > > >Det �r ingen riktig aff�r, dock... �garen driver el-firma > > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med n�r tid finnes. > > >Om du �r i krokarna l�nar det sig att knacka p�! > > > > > >Vad �r du p� jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hj�lpa till. > > >Skicka ett mail, vetja! > > > > > >Jim > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:07 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Totta wrote: > > Jag e alltid sugen p� s�danna saker s� unsubscribe swedish-tadream subscribe english-tadream From: Totta Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 1:05 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Whattt??? Antonio Nunes wrote: > Totta wrote: > > > > Jag e alltid sugen p� s�danna saker s� > > unsubscribe swedish-tadream > subscribe english-tadream > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Re: 28 pages story >> Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never >> seen anything that long written about TD. >> Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) > Good idea! But, you'll want to translate it :-)? I would translate, IF I could read German... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25326 Re: 28 pages story Heiko Heerssen Mon 12/11/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:55 pm Subject: Re: Pergamon > From: 'David Foster' > Subject: Pergamon > > I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ? > Maff replied: > Enhanced. Part one has some minor fixes and alterations to the original > performance but part two is, as far as I know, almost entirely a studio > creation. Not exactly; just the guitar work in Quichotte part 2 isn't the original. I have the concert recordings. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25330 Re: Pergamon Hermes Guzman Mon 12/11/2000 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Re: 28 pages story Gustavo Jobim schrieb: > >> Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never > >> seen anything that long written about TD. > >> Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) > > > Good idea! But, you'll want to translate it :-)? > > I would translate, IF I could read German... I'm not good enough to translate it into English but I think it's a quite comprehensive biography of Tangerine Dream despite the fact that it's more or less only a listing of facts, rather than giving an insiders' view of the band. But whoever wants to translate it into English this is a mighty (& time-consuming) task! Being a pedantic German I already found a mistake, TD played no concerts in 1979, a scheduled tour was cancelled by Edgar a few weeks before the first concert should take place (a real tragedy, it would have been fantastic to get the chance to listen to some 'Force Majeure' inspired tracks) Heiko From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:23 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Totta: Is this a public message to all those who can read Swedish? Or private communication between you and Hej? Just curious. -Morgan >From: Totta >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:16:02 +0100 > >Hej > >Sorry for the swedish > >Jag e alltid sugen p� s�danna saker s� , count me in, > >Totta > >Thomas wrote: > > > Hej! > > > > Sorry even once more for the Swedish... > > N�gon som �r sugen p� att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde >ordna > > en liten 'skivjakt'... > > > > Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden > > > > > Hej! > > > Sorry folks.. > > > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =) > > > > > > Jim. �r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde l�g vid > > Br�vallagatan/R�rstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan? > > > Jag har inte varit d�r p� ett par �r... > > > > > > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000 > > > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' > > > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available > > > > > > > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim: > > > > > > > >Hey all! > > > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish, > > > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;) > > > > > > > >> Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r > > > >cd-rariteter �sse? > > > >> (I Stockholm allts�) > > > > > > > >Om det �r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyv�rr inte. > > > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD. > > > >Beror f�rst�s lite p� vad du menar med rariteter. > > > >Ett st�lle d�r man kan hitta saker ut�ver det vanliga �r > > > >Trespass Records p� Pipersgatan p� Kungsholmen. > > > > > > > >Det �r ingen riktig aff�r, dock... �garen driver el-firma > > > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med n�r tid finnes. > > > >Om du �r i krokarna l�nar det sig att knacka p�! > > > > > > > >Vad �r du p� jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hj�lpa till. > > > >Skicka ett mail, vetja! > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From: 'koulos' Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:57 pm Subject: i-box questions dear friends and co-listeners of TD music [what an intro....!!!] my i-box questions are the following 1 is the pergamon part [piano part in disk 2 i think] pure magic or what?[are there any more pieces so beautiful in TD diskography ?] 2 akash deep? what is this supposed to be [except from great track] 3 am I insane not to listen to anything else the last week that i got the i-box?[not even the lp-singles with the DM3 dance version?] 3 speaking of wich are all the singles [for those of you that have bought them] in opened boxes ....[i mean no seal] or just mine? [and also why not mark witch out of the 500 is the single i have........i mean its more easy to make 1000 disks marking only 500 excist than mark each one of the 500......ok just me being suspicious] thats all folks back to i-box listening [6 cd's of pure magic if you ask me one of the best TD compilations.....!!!!] kostas from athens........ p.s. if you see santa in the street ask him to bring some snow in Athens ....okay in Tripoli where i 'll spend my Xmas too ...i am borred of the sunshine in december....!!!! p.s.2 for one more time sorry for my bad english but I guess it wouldn't be nice to write greek in here right ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 4:39 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] Hi It was a message to all who can read swedish. Totta Feldon Feldon wrote: > Totta: > > Is this a public message to all those who can read Swedish? Or private > communication between you and Hej? > > Just curious. > > -Morgan > > >From: Totta > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: tadream@egroups.com > >Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:16:02 +0100 > > > >Hej > > > >Sorry for the swedish > > > >Jag e alltid sugen p� s�danna saker s� , count me in, > > > >Totta > > > >Thomas wrote: > > > > > Hej! > > > > > > Sorry even once more for the Swedish... > > > N�gon som �r sugen p� att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde > >ordna > > > en liten 'skivjakt'... > > > > > > Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden > > > > > > > Hej! > > > > Sorry folks.. > > > > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =) > > > > > > > > Jim. �r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde l�g vid > > > Br�vallagatan/R�rstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan? > > > > Jag har inte varit d�r p� ett par �r... > > > > > > > > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000 > > > > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen' > > > > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available > > > > > > > > > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > > > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim: > > > > > > > > > >Hey all! > > > > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish, > > > > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;) > > > > > > > > > >> Du r�kar inte ha tips p� n�n bra aff�r f�r > > > > >cd-rariteter �sse? > > > > >> (I Stockholm allts�) > > > > > > > > > >Om det �r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyv�rr inte. > > > > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD. > > > > >Beror f�rst�s lite p� vad du menar med rariteter. > > > > >Ett st�lle d�r man kan hitta saker ut�ver det vanliga �r > > > > >Trespass Records p� Pipersgatan p� Kungsholmen. > > > > > > > > > >Det �r ingen riktig aff�r, dock... �garen driver el-firma > > > > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med n�r tid finnes. > > > > >Om du �r i krokarna l�nar det sig att knacka p�! > > > > > > > > > >Vad �r du p� jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hj�lpa till. > > > > >Skicka ett mail, vetja! > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:06 pm Subject: Re: Pergamon Greetings all- --- In tadream@egroups.com, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > From: 'David Foster' > > Subject: Pergamon > > > > I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ? > > > > Maff replied: > > Enhanced. Part one has some minor fixes and alterations to the original > > performance but part two is, as far as I know, almost entirely a studio > > creation. > > Not exactly; just the guitar work in Quichotte part 2 isn't the original. I > have the concert recordings. So do I, and you are mistaken. The following is from a Live FAQ I posted to the old list waaaaaaay back in Jan '97- _PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference between the two shows *purportedly* performed that day (at least as far as I have been able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows-there is some question as to whether there in fact *were* two shows), they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in '80, '81 or wherever. The first set (TT: 37:27) opens with white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37), similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set ('Quichotte pt.2'). This set was originally issued as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease us. The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as _Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2. ++++++++++++++ Personally, I always found the second part of the second set as performed rather irritating. It's clear that Johannes is trying to find his stroke during this section after having been thrown into the deepend by Edgar and Chris!:) And Edgar's solo is rather rambling as well. goozer From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV I thought someone said this CD was due out last September...Did it ever show up? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: peter.stoeferle@t... [mailto:peter.stoeferle@t...] > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:11 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV > > > Ein TV-Tipp f�r Leser in Deutschland: > A TV hint for listmembers in Germany: > > > Montag, 11. Dezember: > > 02.15-03.52 Kabel 1 'Mord am Rainbow Drive' > Regie: Bobby Roth (USA 1990). Mit Peter Weller > Musik: Tangerine Dream > > Cheers > Peter > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out' I'm not so enthused about this. I thought he ruined _Zoo of Tranquility_ with the remixed reissue--in particular, he made a horrible mess out of my favourite piece from that album, 'The Wedding Cake'. (My tape copy of the original version of _Zoo_ is one of my most treasured musical possessions, BTW) Yes, I know the reissue is probably the album he wanted to make, but it just doesn't have the fairy-tale clockwork charm and dramatic impact of the original version, IMO. Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 2:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out' Which stores carry this item? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: herold.u@t... [mailto:herold.u@t...] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:12 PM > To: tadream moderated mailing list at onelist; tadream@egroups.com; > goblinsclub@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out' > > > Hi dreamers, > > today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out > 2000'! It's a great item. The front cover is black with a small > picture of the original coverprint. This actual version had been > rerecorded and remixed in 2000 - and it's got two additional new > tracks! The tracks are: > 1. white out 10:26 > 2. navigator's chatter 5:48 > 3. icewalk 6:11 > 4. the big nail 4:08 > 5. rain echeos 6:39 (new) > 6. native eye, native ear 4:58 > 7. a great continent 8:14 > 8. a long way home 4:24 (new) > 9. anian path 5:48 > 10. icewalk 6:25 (mix 2000) > The 6-page booklet includes 4 pages with a statement by Johannes > Schmoelling over the 'white out'- conception (in German > language). Very interesting. > It's a real great item. If you want more information look on the > Johannes Schmoelling - Homepage > http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm and wait for updated 'News'. > > Dream on > Uwe > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25349 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Andreas Hedler Thu 12/14/2000 3 KB 25351 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' odean@m... Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25352 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Rainer Rutka Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 12:23 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Pergamon > Personally, I always found the second part of the second set as > performed rather irritating. It's clear that Johannes is trying to > find his stroke during this section after having been thrown into the > deepend by Edgar and Chris!:) Hardly suprising, this was the first TD concert he ever performed at, I think he 'found his stroke' quite quickly considering!! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25335 Re : [tadream] Re: Pergamon Paul Fellows Tue 12/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 12:23 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Pergamon > Personally, I always found the second part of the second set as > performed rather irritating. It's clear that Johannes is trying to > find his stroke during this section after having been thrown into the > deepend by Edgar and Chris!:) Hardly suprising, this was the first TD concert he ever performed at, I think he 'found his stroke' quite quickly considering!! Paul From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:15 pm Subject: Answer to Johan (in esperanto) Babelfish says: -Johan is simply curious about a certain recordshop in Stockholm... Du skrev: >�r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde l�g vid Br�vallagatan/R�rstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan? > Jag har inte varit d�r p� ett par �r... Ingen aning, faktiskt. Tr�ffade innehavaren p� en skivm�ssa och fick ett visitkort som jag sen tappade bort... Sedan sprang jag av en slump p� lilla aff�ren p� Pipersg. Jim From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:20 pm Subject: All are welcome to Stockholm! Hey all! The recent messages in Swedish have been about EM-shops in Stockholm, and since a few members plan to go here shopping, I�d just like to say welcome to all 'passers-by'! It�s always nice to talk music over a beer or three. Jim From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:43 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] All are welcome to Stockholm! Just like Jim I also thought an explanation about the Swedish messages was in place. It seems that those in digest mode can't get the full email address of the contributors, so the only way for them to contact a specific member is thru the list. Btw: Thanks for the invitation Jim, see you in Stockholm! (and hopefully other members too :) Thomas > Hey all! > > The recent messages in Swedish have been about EM-shops in Stockholm, > and since a few members plan to go here shopping, I�d just like to > say welcome to all 'passers-by'! > > It�s always nice to talk music over a beer or three. > > Jim > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25339 SV: [tadream] All are welcome to Stockholm! Thomas Tue 12/12/2000 3 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] All are welcome to Stockholm! Oupps, I just checked out an old digest message, and it turns out I remembered wrong about the email addresses, sorry about that! They are clear and visible, maybe I need to dust off my glasses a bit... > Just like Jim I also thought an explanation about the Swedish messages was > in place. It seems that those in digest mode can't get the full email > address of the contributors, so the only way for them to contact a specific > member is thru the list. > > Btw: Thanks for the invitation Jim, see you in Stockholm! (and hopefully > other members too :) > > Thomas > > > > Hey all! > > > > The recent messages in Swedish have been about EM-shops in Stockholm, > > and since a few members plan to go here shopping, I�d just like to > > say welcome to all 'passers-by'! > > > > It�s always nice to talk music over a beer or three. > > > > Jim From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 5:28 pm Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] a couple of non-english posts is not so bad, but this is going on to the point where you should take it off-list, please. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Totta [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:40 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] > > > Hi > > It was a message to all who can read swedish. > > Totta From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: OT: oops! 2 days late with my swedish request oops- i see you did. thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:28 PM > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available] > > > a couple of non-english posts is not so bad, but this is > going on to the > point where you should take it off-list, please. > > -Joe > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:13 am Subject: Holiday Story in 12 Parts Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts. Part 1 Dearest John, I went to the door today and the postman delivered a partridge in a pear tree. What a thoroughly delightful gift. I couldn't have been more surprised. With deepest love and devotion. Agnes --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25343 Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts James E. Jacoby Wed 12/13/2000 2 KB 25346 Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts Sean Montgomery Wed 12/13/2000 2 KB 25348 Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts Neal Frost Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts Neal Frost wrote: > Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts. > Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here. I'll save everyone the trouble. Eventually this 'John' fellow sends her all the bizarre presents from the 12 Days of Xmas song, and it pisses her off, and rightly so, with drummers drumming, people leaping, etc. Has Tangerine Dream ever done something holiday-related? James From: jwerner66@h... Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 9:48 am Subject: Voices in the Dunes Does anybody have a copy of Voices in the Dunes(the book) to sell or know where to get it ? Jon Werner From: kevine@c... Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:16 pm Subject: German Rock TD Article While we are waiting a readable English version of this article. I have uploaded a translation to the Shared Files Area. This translation was generated by FreeTranslation.com, because unlike bablefish, it was able to translate the entire article. The article is pretty difficult to read in its present form, but for non-german speakers, it is infinitely easier to understand. filename is germanrock.txt Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts 'James E. Jacoby' wrote: > Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here. I second that motion. That story was sort of funny when I first got it e-mailed to me...6 YEARS AGO. But it's gotten a bit old. > Has Tangerine Dream ever done something holiday-related? Well, there was last year's 'Holday Booster' package.... ;-) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:22 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] German Rock TD Article Hi all, I have been given permission by the authors to translate this article into English and put a link to it on my pages, so I'll get on with it and post a message when it's finished. Please be patient though, it's a very long article and I want it to be perfect, also it will have to be proofread by an English speaking German before I finally submit it... Paul > While we are waiting a readable English version of this article. I have > uploaded a translation to the Shared Files Area. This translation was > generated by FreeTranslation.com, because unlike bablefish, it was able to > translate the entire article. > > The article is pretty difficult to read in its present form, but for > non-german speakers, it is infinitely easier to understand. > > filename is germanrock.txt > > Kevin Earley > IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service > (416) 448-3317 > kevine@c... > Visit our support Web Site: > http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 3:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts > [Original Message] > From: James E. Jacoby > To: > Date: 12/13/00 7:16:38 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts > > > > Neal Frost wrote: > > > Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts. > > > > Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here. > Um....Sorry. Just discovered it this season. Thought it might be funny. Well.....Happy Holidays anyways. Neal From: 'Andreas Hedler' Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 8:25 am Subject: Re: Brandnew 'White Out' It will be available soon at: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Andreas Hedler webmaster of the Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Michael A Jean' wrote: > Which stores carry this item? > > MJ 'White Out' tracks: > > 1. white out 10:26 > > 2. navigator's chatter 5:48 > > 3. icewalk 6:11 > > 4. the big nail 4:08 > > 5. rain echeos 6:39 (new) > > 6. native eye, native ear 4:58 > > 7. a great continent 8:14 > > 8. a long way home 4:24 (new) > > 9. anian path 5:48 > > 10. icewalk 6:25 (mix 2000) > > The 6-page booklet includes 4 pages with a statement by Johannes > > Schmoelling over the 'white out'- conception (in German > > language). Very interesting. > > It's a real great item. If you want more information look on the > > Johannes Schmoelling - Homepage > > http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm and wait for updated 'News'. > > > > Dream on > > Uwe > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25351 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' odean@m... Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25352 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Rainer Rutka Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:07 am Subject: New WHITE-OUT available! Hi! J. Schmoeling's NEW White Out is out now! I got my copy today. One of my most loved records in a new version :-) - wow! Now, let's wait for some new(!) records by J. Schmoelling! Details will follow! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: odean@m... Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Brandnew 'White Out' With all the talk about this release, I just found out (later than everyone else I'm sure) that there was a mis-printed first pressing. So I went to have a look at my copy and sure enough, the cover photo is backwards! The music plays forwards... ;-) Happy Holidays to all, Oscar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25352 Re: Brandnew 'White Out' Rainer Rutka Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Brandnew 'White Out' On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 odean@m... wrote: > With all the talk about this release, I just found out (later than everyone > else I'm sure) that there was a mis-printed first pressing. So I went to > have a look at my copy and sure enough, the cover photo is backwards! The > music plays forwards... ;-) > Happy Holidays to all, > Oscar Hi! Yes there was a mis-printing on the new version, too!! I'll scan it and will put it onto my homepage this evening (in approx. 2-3 hours). Stay tuned! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 5:34 pm Subject: Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling are online! HI! OK, it's done! The first(?) pictures from the new White Out (Johannes Schmoelling) are on my TD-site. www.rutka.de/td -> NEW PS: I like the new cover. Looks nice! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 6:23 pm Subject: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats Hi all, TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25355 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Richard Ford Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25375 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Roger Hartopp Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25377 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Richard Ford Fri 12/15/2000 3 KB 25512 Hello folks... remember me??? Conrad Gibbons Sun 12/24/2000 2 KB 25356 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Totta Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25357 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25359 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Phil Wingfield Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB 25360 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Richard Ford Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 6:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows writes >Hi all, > >TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the >TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! Could you possibly give more details on and where 'Electrobeats' is (I hope it's not that polish RAK. You can never log onto it. I've tried for months. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25375 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Roger Hartopp Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25377 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Richard Ford Fri 12/15/2000 3 KB 25512 Hello folks... remember me??? Conrad Gibbons Sun 12/24/2000 2 KB From: Totta Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats Hi Is there someone who know if there is some way to listen to radio eins over the net??? Real audio or something . Totta Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the > TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! > > Paul > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25357 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Thu 12/14/2000 2 KB From: Rolf Elfstr�m Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 10:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats Totta asked: >Is there someone who know if there is some way to listen to radio eins over the >net??? >Real audio or something . http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram Rolf From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:01 pm Subject: Fw: Banco de Gaia Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Banco de Gaia > > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here with a copy or > know where I can get it? > > Now playing and nice piece 'Semantic Spaces' by Delirium, thanks Antonio > :-) > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25361 SV: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia Pergamon Fri 12/15/2000 3 KB 25368 Re: Fw: Banco de Gaia David Foster Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25370 Re: Fw: Banco de Gaia Frank Arellano Fri 12/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats Please excuse my ignorance, what channel is electrobeats on and is it available in the UK? > Hi all, > > TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the > TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! > > Paul From: Richard Ford Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows writes >Hi all, > >TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the >TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! Actually, thinking about it, is the radio station this program is on being broadcast on any satellite? -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 2:35 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia M'jello I have Banco de gaia's: Maya Contact me offlist Jan mailto:pergamon@g... > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > Sendt: 15. december 2000 00:01 > Til: tadream@egroups.com > Emne: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia > > > Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Frank Arellano' > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:20 PM > Subject: Banco de Gaia > > > > > > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried > > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here > with a copy or > > know where I can get it? > > > > Now playing and nice piece 'Semantic Spaces' by Delirium, > thanks Antonio > > :-) > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling are online! Rainer Rutka schrieb: > The first(?) pictures from the new White Out (Johannes Schmoelling) > are on my TD-site. Thanks very much Rainer for the great scans! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25363 Re: Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoellin Andreas Hedler Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Andreas Hedler' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 10:58 am Subject: Re: Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling are online! Hallo Heiko! Jetzt wei� ich woher wir uns kennen! Von hier! Andreas Hedler From: Bag Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 12:16 pm Subject: Your Favourite Dream - December'2000 Hello Tadreamers, Here are next results of your voting on my homepage: DECEMBER'2000 ================================================ A B C D E ------------------------------------------------ 1. [ 1] Ricochet 234 68 2. [ 3] Logos 143 41 3. [ 2] Poland 133 45 4. [ 4] Stratosfear 118 32 5. [ 5] Mars Polaris 86 28 6. [ 6] Force Majeure 86 22 7. [ 7] Pergamon 83 23 8. [11] Exit 66 24 9. [ 8] Encore 64 26 10. [ 9] Live Miles 61 21 ------------------------------------------------- 11. [10] Tangram 60 20 12. [12] Melrose 56 18 13. [14] Rubycon 47 17 14. [13] Hyperborea 42 12 15. [16] Phaedra 40 16 16. [17] 220 Volt 36 14 17. [15] White Eagle 35 13 18. [18] Tyger 32 14 19. [25] Cyclone 26 8 20. [19] Flashpoint 25 11 21. [20] Tournado 21 7 22. [22] Goblins Club 17 7 23. [21] Firestarter 17 5 24. [24] Underwater Sunlight 16 8 25. [23] The Man Inside 16 4 26. [26] Valentine Wheels 13 5 27. [27] Alpha Centauri 12 4 28. [28] Timesquare 10 4 29. [41] Thief 9 3 30. [28] Green Desert 8 2 31. [30] Le Parc 7 3 32. [32] Lily On The Beach 6 4 33. [31] Turn Of The Tides 6 2 [34] 3 O'clock High 6 2 35. [32] Dream Mixes 5 3 36. [34] Optical Race 5 1 [34] Rockoon 5 1 38. [37] Quinoa 4 2 [37] Sorcerer 4 2 [37] The Keep 4 2 [41] Atem 4 2 [47] Sohoman 4 2 43. [40] Electronic Meditation 3 3 44. [ N] Antique Dreams 3 1 [41] Destination Berlin 3 1 [41] Miracle Mile 3 1 47. [45] Great Wall Of China 2 2 [45] Oasis 2 2 49. [47] Canyon Dreams 1 1 [47] Transsiberia 1 1 [47] What A Blast 1 1 ================================================ [A-position][B-previous month][C-title] [D-points][E-votes] *number of voters: 190 Regards Bag [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25394 Re: Your Favourite Dream - December'2000 Vic Rek Sat 12/16/2000 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 1:37 pm Subject: TD on Elektrobeats Hi all, 'ElektroBeats' is an german Radio - Program broadcast every week on wednesday 11 PM to 01 AM on the Station: Radio Eins (Berlin/Potsdam). more information : www.radioeins.de Bye Heiko Neumann Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25379 Re: TD on Elektrobeats Roger Hartopp Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25384 Re: TD on Elektrobeats Roger Hartopp Sat 12/16/2000 2 KB 25477 Re: TD on Elektrobeats Feldon Feldon Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:12 pm Subject: I-Box at CD Universe I placed an order for the I-Box with CD Universe back on December 1st. At the time, the set's release date had been announced as being December 12th. Now, here we are on December 15th, and CD Universe sends me a notice telling me that the item has been backordered. What the f***? MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ & anime by Hayao Miyazaki Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25367 Re: I-Box at CD Universe tomx01@w... Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25369 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Antonio Nunes Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25376 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Vince LeGrand Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25393 Re: I-Box at CD Universe snowdog747@a... Sat 12/16/2000 2 KB 25395 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Feldon Feldon Sun 12/17/2000 3 KB 25404 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Michael A Jean Sun 12/17/2000 3 KB 25396 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Frank Arellano Sun 12/17/2000 3 KB 25397 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Feldon Feldon Sun 12/17/2000 3 KB 25405 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Michael A Jean Sun 12/17/2000 4 KB From: tomx01@w... Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe That sucks, CDNow have dropped their price to 32 something and they list it in stock. Tom (Melrose) From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia Have you seen Banco's website? Its really good. I haven't figured out his life story bit yet. I've been playing his music all day whilst I redecorate the bathroom. David From: Frank Arellano > Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too? > > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried > > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here with a copy or > > know where I can get it? From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe scfeldman@j... wrote: > > I placed an order for the I-Box with CD Universe back on December > 1st. At the time, the set's release date had been announced as being > December 12th. Now, here we are on December 15th, and CD Universe > sends me a notice telling me that the item has been backordered. What > the f***? Two days ago someone who had ordered from CDNow sent a message to another mailing list complaining about the very same problem. They either got more orders for it than they anticipated or it didn't show up as expected in the USA. Antonio Nunes From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia I've tried to David, but I keep getting this message that the network is experiencing difficulties or that I may need to adjust my browser :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia > Have you seen Banco's website? Its really good. I haven't figured out his > life story bit yet. I've been playing his music all day whilst I > redecorate the bathroom. > > David > > From: Frank Arellano > > > Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too? > > > > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried > > > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here with a copy > or > > > know where I can get it? > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:50 am Subject: about the 5 T.D. on vinyl /Ground Liftaz label Hello , it's make one week that i've received 5 maxi on Ground Liftaz label & that's what i tink/feel about : GL001&GL002 are by DJ ROME in jungle style and........it's not mt style(i prefer & i play ambient),GL003&004&005 are more interessants (perhaps the atmo-style,because i play them very slowly,or perhaps the original sound from old T.D.basis,but they are good,nice centror� so bad sound&remix,but also no many risks Each vinyl are limited edition of 500 copies , and the n�003,004,005 are pre-released of the future dream mixes 3. That's all folks zof the future. If,like me,you prefer the 1st (electonic meditation/ultima thul�),the 2nd (zeit,athem,phaedra,alpha centauri,rubicon)or the 3rd, the 4th T.D.formation until melrose, they are for you. Atchaowwwwwwwwwww--------ERICK Zeu Dr.STRANGE_______LOVE from FRANCE_______ From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 3:07 am Subject: RE: Voices in the Dunes Dear Jon, > From: jwerner66@h...=20 > Subject: Voices in the Dunes=20 > Does anybody have a copy of Voices in the Dunes(the book) to sell or=20 > > know where to get it ?=20 > Sorry, the book is out of print since several years, and we, the=20 authors, do not have any copies left. Peter Stoeferle From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Voices in the Dunes Peter- What is the latest on a new edition? :-)))))) A few of us have alot of data on CD releases and would be glad to provide it to help bring VITD up-to-date. Regards, Joel From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: Re: The REAL 12 Days Of Christmas << Inbox for kohntarkosz@y... Yahoo! - My Yahoo! Options - Sign Out - Help Mail Addresses Calendar Notepad Paid Bonzi Advertisement - Click Here! as attachmentinline text Download Attachments Next | Inbox - Choose Folder -E-bay thingiesLetters from Jaredmiscellaneus Date: 14 Dec 2000 12:39:30 -0000 From: tadream@egroups.com | Block address Reply-to: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 732 PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 8 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts From: 'James E. Jacoby' 2. Voices in the Dunes From: jwerner66@h... 3. German Rock TD Article From: kevine@c... 4. Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts From: Sean Montgomery 5. Re : German Rock TD Article From: 'Paul Fellows' 6. Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts From: 'Neal Frost' 7. Re: Brandnew 'White Out' From: 'Andreas Hedler' 8. New WHITE-OUT available! From: Rainer Rutka ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:15:54 -0500 From: 'James E. Jacoby' Subject: Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts Neal Frost wrote: > Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts. > Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here. I'll save everyone the trouble. Eventually this 'John' fellow sends her all the bizarre presents from the 12 Days of Xmas song, and it pisses her off, and rightly so, with drummers drumming, people leaping, etc. Has Tangerine Dream ever done something holiday-related? James ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:48:46 -0000 From: jwerner66@h... Subject: Voices in the Dunes Does anybody have a copy of Voices in the Dunes(the book) to sell or know where to get it ? Jon Werner ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:16:18 -0500 From: kevine@c... Subject: German Rock TD Article While we are waiting a readable English version of this article. I have uploaded a translation to the Shared Files Area. This translation was generated by FreeTranslation.com, because unlike bablefish, it was able to translate the entire article. The article is pretty difficult to read in its present form, but for non-german speakers, it is infinitely easier to understand. filename is germanrock.txt Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:22 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts 'James E. Jacoby' wrote: > Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here. I second that motion. That story was sort of funny when I first got it e-mailed to me...6 YEARS AGO. But it's gotten a bit old.>> I didn't see the original e-mail, but if this is the one I think it is, it's a lot older than just 6 yeras. That was an old Mad magazine piece that goes back at least to the late 70's. The girl gets evicted for turning her apartment into a wild life preserve. The gold rings all turn her fingers green, and I think there was some kind of dispute with a labor union regarding the maids a milking, I think. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:23 pm Subject: Re: TD on Elecrobeats --- In tadream@egroups.com, Richard Ford wrote: > In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows > writes > >Hi all, > > > >TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the > >TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! > > Could you possibly give more details on and where 'Electrobeats' is (I > hope it's not that polish RAK. You can never log onto it. I've tried for > months. > Hmmm. I was literally reading this as I was between tracks here at Radio Rak. I went straight to the director with this, and I have been told that the system will be upgraded in the next couple of weeks. Roger Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25377 Re: TD on Elecrobeats Richard Ford Fri 12/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > >That sucks, CDNow have dropped their price to 32 something and they list >it in stock. > >Tom (Melrose) > > Don't believe it. I had it ordered at CDnow since November, and on December 12, I got a notice from CDnow that it is backordered......hmmmmmm From: Richard Ford Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Elecrobeats In message <91e23l+4vq6@e...>, Roger Hartopp writes >--- In tadream@egroups.com, Richard Ford wrote: >> In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows >> writes >> >Hi all, >> > >> >TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December >according to the >> >TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!! >> >> Could you possibly give more details on and where 'Electrobeats' is >(I >> hope it's not that polish RAK. You can never log onto it. I've >tried for >> months. >> >Hmmm. I was literally reading this as I was between tracks here at >Radio Rak. I went straight to the director with this, and I have been >told that the system will be upgraded in the next couple of weeks. > Thank you Roger That is good news. Could you please post when it is done -- Richard Ford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:37 pm Subject: Problems opening up e-mail One of the biggest problems I have at the moment in trying to compile the Top 10 tracks by Eddie & Jerry here in Poland is that it now takes AN ETERNITY to open up e-mail, and one of the few chances I have to read the TD postings is here at Rak. Do any of our Polish contributors have the same problem? Is it Telekomunicaja Polska? Is it why people like Richard struggle for hours to log on to Radio Rak? Let me know off-list (although I probably won't be able to read them for a while, unless you post in the next thirty minutes!). But soon, because if it is a problem to do with the fact I'm using an overseas server, I may well be changing my e-mail address to something Polish based. I confess I'm still frighteningly ignorant as to how e-mail works. Roger From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: Re: TD on Elektrobeats --- In tadream@egroups.com, NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all, > > > 'ElektroBeats' is an german Radio - Program broadcast every week on wednesday 11 PM to 01 AM on the Station: Radio Eins (Berlin/Potsdam). > > more information : www.radioeins.de > > Bye > Heiko Neumann > Germany > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] It also might be broadcast over the Astra satellite (on digital and analogue). I have a copy of 'What Satellite' at home (December 2000 edition), so I'll see if there are any satellite frequencies listed. If so, I can listen to it here in Krakow! (and, if the @#**## e-mail opens, I'll post them.) Roger Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25384 Re: TD on Elektrobeats Roger Hartopp Sat 12/16/2000 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 11:03 pm Subject: Discount with CDNOW I don't know whether anyone else feels the same way, but I'm starting to get confused about this $10.00 discount CDNOW are offering until 18 December. Like others, I ordered the I-box from them on the promise of that discount but, as most will know by now, release of the box has been delayed so if it doesn't appear until AFTER the 18th December, will the discount still apply? What got me wondering is that I received notification from them yesterday, advising me that I didn't have much time left to claim that discount. I thus assumed from that that it might not apply to the I-box after all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25381 Re: Discount with CDNOW Vince LeGrand Fri 12/15/2000 2 KB 25382 Re: Discount with CDNOW John Marchington Sat 12/16/2000 3 KB 25383 Re: Discount with CDNOW Joel S. Mullen Sat 12/16/2000 2 KB 25387 Re: Discount with CDNOW Vince LeGrand Sat 12/16/2000 3 KB 25391 Re: Discount with CDNOW =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Alberto Sat 12/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW John Marchington wrote: >I don't know whether anyone else feels the same way, but I'm starting to get confused about this $10.00 discount CDNOW are offering until 18 December. Like others, I ordered the I-box from them on the promise of that discount but, as most will know by now, release of the box has been delayed so if it doesn't appear until AFTER the 18th December, will the discount still apply? > > John, I haven't heard anything 'official' about the I-box being delayed. I thought maybe CDnow just only ordered a handful and couldn't fill all the initial orders. Have you heard something? Vince From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 2:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW Hi Vince, When I ordered my I-box set on 6 December, I took a printout of the web page containing the details and underneath Status, it says Coming Soon 12/12/00. (*Reading the bottom of that page again, it seems that I might have been confused by dates. It seems to state that it's the Storewide Sale that ends on the 19th, but that the discount period extends through to the 29th). I then received an e-mail from CDNOW, dated 13 December, stating that my I-box had been back-ordered. I guess the store had expected it to arrive the previous day. Since then I have heard nothing about it, and the only comment from CDNOW, received on the 15th, relates to that reminder that the discount expires on the 18th December -- which in view of what I've said above doesn't seem right anyway. Does anyone know what's going on? > John, > > I haven't heard anything 'official' about the I-box being delayed. I > thought maybe CDnow just only ordered a handful and couldn't fill all the > initial orders. Have you heard something? > > Vince > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 5:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW As far as my experience goes any discount or sale price applies when you PLACE the order. When they get around to shipping it doesn't matter. You order during the discount period you get the discount. Backorders don't effect it. I hope that helps some of you sleep easier..... Regards, Joel From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 10:05 am Subject: Re: TD on Elektrobeats > > It also might be broadcast over the Astra satellite (on digital and > analogue). I have a copy of 'What Satellite' at home (December 2000 > edition), so I'll see if there are any satellite frequencies listed. > If so, I can listen to it here in Krakow! (and, if the @#**## e- mail > opens, I'll post them.) The only thing I can find on the satellite (according to my magazine) is that Radio Eins is broadcast on Astra Digital Radio (19.2E), on 11.656V, 6.30. I have only analogue, so that buggers me. Roger From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at Amazon.co.uk Hi Guys, Just a note for UK readers who don't trust their credit card info overseas (!) Do you want a reasonably priced 'I-Box' I just ordered it from Amazon.co.uk on Wednesday night Dec 13th and received it yesterday morning Friday the 15th and it cost �34.20 including postage ! I did have a �3 gift certificate which seems to be offered at several web sites...but even without it it seems good value. Can't comment on the content yet as I have only listened to the first disc as yet ! Have a happy Christmas and a peaceful new year ATB Phil White From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 1:50 pm Subject: cd now Ditto for me...I ordered in November and was informed it is on backorder. However it IS out in the US...I saw it at Tower on Wednesday ($52.00). Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW >Hi Vince, > >When I ordered my I-box set on 6 December, I took a printout of the web page >containing the details and underneath Status, it says Coming Soon 12/12/00. >(*Reading the bottom of that page again, it seems that I might have been >confused by dates. It seems to state that it's the Storewide Sale that ends >on the 19th, but that the discount period extends through to the 29th). > >I then received an e-mail from CDNOW, dated 13 December, stating that my >I-box had been back-ordered. I guess the store had expected it to arrive the >previous day. Since then I have heard nothing about it, and the only comment >from CDNOW, received on the 15th, relates to that reminder that the discount >expires on the 18th December -- which in view of what I've said above >doesn't seem right anyway. > >Does anyone know what's going on? > > John, The following is the contents of a note I received yesterday from CDnow: Dear Vince, Thank you for contacting CDNOW. We have just been notified by our warehouse that Tangerine Dream you ordered which is an advanced order, did not arrive at the warehouse in time for it to be shipped for the release date. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience. We will make every effort to ship the CD as soon as it arrives at the warehouse. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you on this matter. Sincerely, Ryan D. Customer Service CDNOW, Inc. Never miss a beat. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 5:49 pm Subject: new music Hi everyone, shameless plug: New music at http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm : Two samples of Space Adventure Part 1: sequences all the time. Can be called space music. Detailed description on the page. Arpeggios Played On A Church Organ: does it need description? Regards, GJ Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25547 new music Gustavo Jobim Mon 1/1/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 1:56 pm Subject: Group newbie Hi All, Just thought I'd introduce myself, my name is Gary and I've been a big fan of TD since 1981. Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25406 Re: Group newbie j.gordon Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: Apologies Sorry to everyone for quoting half of a digest while commenting on the whole discussion about the '12 Days Of Christmas' thing. I imagine everyone scrolled right past it. You'd think with modern technology being what it is, they'd come up with an easier method for one to cut and paste messages. Or at the very least, make it so that you KNOW you've accidentally included an extra three or four paragraphs you didn't mean to. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: Carlos Alberto Mart�nez Salas Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Discount with CDNOW [about the CDNow/i-box set affair] I sent today a quick note to CDNow because I see in its website that they have IN STOCK the i-box when you order it, but mine keeps on backordered status... who knows... pd. Does anybody could give me a hand with this? I'm trying to get a copy of Sea of Dreams 6CD and The Real Dream Encores set... Francisco? Anyone? > _____________________________ CARLOS A. MARTINEZ SALAS From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 10:13 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Group newbie Hi Gary, Welcome on board the ' TD - train ' :o) Poul > Hi All, > > Just thought I'd introduce myself, my name is Gary and I've been > a big fan of TD since 1981. > > Gary. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25407 Re: Sv: [tadream] Group newbie gnmorgan@b... Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB From: snowdog747@a... Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message about backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of when they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I did not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding another $100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received some CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. Ben Graber From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Your Favourite Dream - December'2000 > DECEMBER'2000 > ================================================ > A B C D E > ------------------------------------------------ > 1. [ 1] Ricochet 234 68 > 2. [ 3] Logos 143 41 > 3. [ 2] Poland 133 45 > 4. [ 4] Stratosfear 118 32 > 5. [ 5] Mars Polaris 86 28 > 6. [ 6] Force Majeure 86 22 > 7. [ 7] Pergamon 83 23 > 8. [11] Exit 66 24 > 9. [ 8] Encore 64 26 > 10. [ 9] Live Miles 61 21 Funny, looks like half the top 10 are 'live' albums. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe >From: snowdog747@a... > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message about >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of when >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I did >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding >another >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received some >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. >Ben Graber No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem at Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble getting it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll retract. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25404 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Michael A Jean Sun 12/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > >From: snowdog747@a... > > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message about > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of when > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I did > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding > >another > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received some > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. > >Ben Graber > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem at > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble getting > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll retract. > > -Morgan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe >From: 'Frank Arellano' > >Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records. In England. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Feldon Feldon' >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > > > >From: snowdog747@a... > > > > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try > > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message >about > > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of >when > > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I >did > > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding > > >another > > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received >some > > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no > > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE > > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. > > >Ben Graber > > > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem >at > > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble >getting > > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll >retract. > > > > -Morgan > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25405 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Michael A Jean Sun 12/17/2000 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 3:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe I believe Michael lives somewhere near Indiana or Ohio. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > >From: 'Frank Arellano' > > > >Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records. > > In England. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'Feldon Feldon' > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > > > > > > >From: snowdog747@a... > > > > > > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try > > > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message > >about > > > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of > >when > > > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I > >did > > > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding > > > >another > > > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received > >some > > > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no > > > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE > > > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. > > > >Ben Graber > > > > > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem > >at > > > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble > >getting > > > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll > >retract. > > > > > > -Morgan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Ken Beal Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 3:23 am Subject: I-Box @ CDNOW Howdy all... I ordered the I-box from CDNow on the 14th...they shipped it on the 15th... ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25440 Re: I-Box @ CDNOW Vince LeGrand Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25482 Re: I-Box @ CDNOW Vince LeGrand Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB 25483 Re: I-Box @ CDNOW Totta Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB 25492 Re: I-Box @ CDNOW James Williams Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB 25493 Re: I-Box @ CDNOW John Marchington Sat 12/23/2000 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 5:50 am Subject: TD Logo in JPG needed Hello all, Does anyone have the TD logo in a decent size in JPG format rather than GIF? I use it when I label my TD CD's and I have lost the one I had. And my converter program is not working correctly. Please send it to : hghlndr@t... Thanks for the help, THE HIGHLANDER From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:05 pm Subject: I-box I have read several people who are having trouble getting their I-box. I got mine from Groove Unlimited this week. I had checked both Amazon and CDNow -each of whom had better 'discounted' prices, but much longer wait times i.e. 12/10/2000 or so. After emailing with a guy at Groove Unlimited about availability , 'Sure, how many do you want?' I ordered and received the I-box, total time to US - during Christmas - 10 days. I am very pleased with price ( w/ postage about $60.00 US) postage = 18.00 us, and service. Must wait till Christmas to open it, wife will not let me play it until them! Damn!! Regards, DPH Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25402 Re: I-box Richard Ford Sun 12/17/2000 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-box >I have read several people who are having trouble getting their I-box. I got >mine from Groove Unlimited this week. > >I had checked both Amazon and CDNow -each of whom had better 'discounted' >prices, but much longer wait times i.e. 12/10/2000 or so. After emailing >with a guy at Groove Unlimited about availability , 'Sure, how many do you >want?' I ordered and received the I-box, total time to US - during >Christmas - 10 days. > >I am very pleased with price ( w/ postage about $60.00 US) postage = 18.00 >us, and service. Must wait till Christmas to open it, wife will not let me >play it until them! Damn!! > Sorry for asking, but considering the problem people are having getting hold of this box set, why not just order it from the TD website. I received mine weeks ago. -- Richard Ford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 7:06 pm Subject: I-Box at Media Play! Greetings All! Sorry to hear about everyone's problems getting I-Box.I got mine 2 weeks ago from TDI along with the vinyl Dream Mix releases.I just saw it at the Media Play here in Chattanooga,Tennessee so I don't understand why the on-line retailers don't have it yet. Rick From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 9:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe I cancelled my CD Now order and picked it up locally for 44.00...I little bit higher, but at least I have it in my hands... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 6:57 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > > >From: snowdog747@a... > > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same > message about > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear > explanation of when > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear > that I did > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding > >another > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I > received some > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. > >Ben Graber > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a > problem at > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having > trouble getting > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and > I'll retract. > > -Morgan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe No, in Chicago > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:48 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > > >From: 'Frank Arellano' > > > >Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records. > > In England. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'Feldon Feldon' > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > > > > > > >From: snowdog747@a... > > > > > > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so > I could try > > > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message > >about > > > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear > explanation of > >when > > > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very > clear that I > >did > > > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding > > > >another > > > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received > >some > > > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now > Saturday with no > > > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE > > > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds. > > > >Ben Graber > > > > > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's > obviously a problem > >at > > > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble > >getting > > > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll > >retract. > > > > > > -Morgan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Group newbie hey, gary... welcome to the list... just in time for the xmas season... the i-box is the hot topic on the list at the moment, as if you hadn't noticed... mostly because of shipping/backorder problems... anyway, enjoy your stay, and one word of advice: get your vote in for your favorite Top Ten tracks of the 1990's, 1 being your favorite, etc... we need more votes! ciao! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:44 pm Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] Group newbie Many thanks. Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Poul Erik' wrote: > Hi Gary, > Welcome on board the ' TD - train ' :o) > > Poul > > > Hi All, > > > > Just thought I'd introduce myself, my name is Gary and I've been > > a big fan of TD since 1981. > > > > Gary. From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe well Steve, maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe. Tom -- On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:12:32 scfeldman wrote: > I placed an order for the I-Box with CD Universe back on December >1st. At the time, the set's release date had been announced as being >December 12th. Now, here we are on December 15th, and CD Universe >sends me a notice telling me that the item has been backordered. What >the f***? > >MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, >SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, >MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, >EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ & anime by Hayao Miyazaki > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Renaud xxXxx Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 5:01 pm Subject: Schmoelling and Schonwalder Johannes Schmoelling 'The Zoo Of Tranquillity' CD is for sale on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=528934313 Mario Schonwalder 'The Eye Of The Chameleon' is also for sale at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=528938115 Good Luck. Renaud. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe tom george wrote: > maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct from TDI. Personally, I don't really care if I have to wait another couple of weeks to get an album if it means a 40% discount, which is what those ordering from CD Now and CD Universe are getting. The backorder thing is a bit annoying though, especially when you've placed your order weeks in advance. > i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe. Well, I'll say one good thing. They have some of the best prices on the web. :-) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe but Sean, you still have to pay for shipping. if the set costs 34.00 and you add another 4 or so dollars shipping then we are only talking $12.00 difference to have it a month earlier. plus like i said, ordering from the source sometimes nets you some unexpected items. each to their own i always say. personally i like to get the item the fastest way. if it means a few dollars more, so what. tom -- On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:21 Sean Montgomery wrote: >tom george wrote: > >> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct from TDI. > >Personally, I don't really care if I have to wait another couple of weeks to get an album if it means a 40% discount, which is what those ordering from CD Now and CD Universe are getting. The backorder thing is a bit annoying though, >especially when you've placed your order weeks in advance. > > > >> i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe. > >Well, I'll say one good thing. They have some of the best prices on the web. :-) > > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25412 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Richard Ford Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe In message , tom george writes > but Sean, > you still have to pay for shipping. if the set costs 34.00 and you add >another 4 or so dollars shipping then we are only talking $12.00 difference to >have it a month earlier. plus like i said, ordering from the source sometimes >nets you some unexpected items. each to their own i always say. personally i >like to get the item the fastest way. if it means a few dollars more, so what. >tom I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them. -- Richard From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe On Monday, December 18, 2000 3:06 PM, Richard Ford [SMTP:theroom@b...] wrote: > I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if > the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to > continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them. It is just too bad that it almost always cost more to 'by direct' That goes for almost everything, not just TD though. From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe errr that is 'buy direct' From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe i saw the box at Tower records online for $46.00. of course you have to add shipping to that. plus it said it was being released on the 12th but they showed it today as backordered. but Joel, you have to admit that $50.00 direct from TDI, shipping included, for a 6 cd set is the best deal they have given the fans ever. i mean in the past they might have charged 160.00 for this. that is based on past prices like the booster and dice packages. i won't bother saying any more about this, other than the fact that this is a great deal whereever you get it. tom -- On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:43 Joel S. Mullen wrote: >On Monday, December 18, 2000 3:06 PM, Richard Ford [SMTP:theroom@b...] wrote: >> I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if >> the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to >> continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them. > >It is just too bad that it almost always cost more to 'by direct' >That goes for almost everything, not just TD though. > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:27 +0000 >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: Richard Ford > >I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more >if the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to >continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them. Yeah, well, if they weren't such a lame-assed Mom and Pop outfit, maybe they would have had their shit together enough to supply their stateside distributors when they said they would! :( I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee! MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25417 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability Richard Ford Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB 25418 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability scfeldman@j... Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB 25420 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability Richard Ford Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB 25419 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability Pergamon Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB 25425 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability Feldon Feldon Mon 12/18/2000 3 KB 25438 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability Frank Arellano Wed 12/20/2000 3 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability > > Yeah, well, if they weren't such a lame-assed Mom and Pop outfit, >maybe they would have had their shit together enough to supply their >stateside distributors when they said they would! :( > I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee! Why would anyone worry about supplying a country who can't even do a simple thing like voting. See, I can be bitchy to. Now YOU wake up and smell the coffee. If you don't like TD, then go elsewhere. -- Richard Ford From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability > Why would anyone worry about supplying a country who can't even do a > simple thing like voting. Maybe because Americans throw more money at TD than any other country? > See, I can be bitchy to. Now YOU wake up and smell the coffee. If > you don't like TD, then go elsewhere. I like TD's *music* plenty. It's just their lame business practices that piss me off. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25420 Re: TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability Richard Ford Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability > Yeah, well, if they weren't such a lame-assed Mom and Pop outfit, > maybe they would have had their shit together enough to supply their > stateside distributors when they said they would! :( > I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee! SIGH!!!!!!!!! not again........... Jan From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability In message <20001218.155706.-504841.0.scfeldman@j...>, scfeldman@j... writes >> Why would anyone worry about supplying a country who can't even do a >> simple thing like voting. > > Maybe because Americans throw more money at TD than any other >country? Not to sure about that one. > >> See, I can be bitchy to. Now YOU wake up and smell the coffee. If >> you don't like TD, then go elsewhere. > > I like TD's *music* plenty. It's just their lame business >practices that piss me off. If you mean The Keep fiasco, I have to admit that it was going to far. Perhaps the I-BOX is the start of something new from them (they must of read the negative views regarding The Keep, etc.) -- Richard Ford From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 5:19 am Subject: TD on Electrobeats Hi everyone, Can someone please provide a bit of help to someone new to PCs who has never used the internet before to listen to a radio broadcast. I'm planning on listening to TD on Electrobeats on the 20th, and have the internet and Sky Digital as options. If anyone is planning to use Sky Analogue, I know for a fact that Radio Eins used to be broadcast this way, but have no idea if this is still the case. Is this the correct address for Radio Einz's internet broadcast? http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram I've tried logging on but a window keeps popping up stating 'Cannot open 'http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram'. Please verify that the path and filename are correct and try again' Does my soundcard (Soundblaster 1024) need to be configured in any way to receive the signal? Or could it be that Radio Einz weren't broadcasting on the web at that particular time? Do they broadcast this way 24 hours a day? If Radio Einz is available on Sky Digital radio, can someone please post not only the frequency and polarization, but also the Symbol Rate and FEC. I've tried every combination of these at 11.656 V, only to be informed that no signal could be found with these settings. Thanks in advance to anyone who can prvide some info. I'm sure it might be helpful to others too. Enjoy the show! - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25422 Re: TD on Electrobeats gnmorgan@b... Mon 12/18/2000 4 KB 25423 Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard Ford Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB 25444 Re: TD on Electrobeats gnmorgan@b... Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25445 Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard Ford Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25426 Re: TD on Electrobeats Feldon Feldon Mon 12/18/2000 3 KB 25446 Re: TD on Electrobeats Bennett Cookson Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25448 Re: TD on Electrobeats Feldon Feldon Wed 12/20/2000 3 KB 25450 Re: TD on Electrobeats Feldon Feldon Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25451 Re: TD on Electrobeats Antonio Nunes Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:28 pm Subject: Re: TD on Electrobeats Chris, Radio Eins is still on Sky analogue (I have it on at the moment). I would not trust Realplayer to stay on constantly through the show. I think you will be disappointed. I will try and remember to pop in an analogue tape. Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Can someone please provide a bit of help to someone new to PCs who has never used the internet before to listen to a radio broadcast. I'm planning on listening to TD on Electrobeats on the 20th, and have the internet and Sky Digital as options. If anyone is planning to use Sky Analogue, I know for a fact that Radio Eins used to be broadcast this way, but have no idea if this is still the case. > > Is this the correct address for Radio Einz's internet broadcast? http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram > > I've tried logging on but a window keeps popping up stating 'Cannot open 'http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram'. Please verify that the path and filename are correct and try again' Does my soundcard (Soundblaster 1024) need to be configured in any way to receive the signal? Or could it be that Radio Einz weren't broadcasting on the web at that particular time? Do they broadcast this way 24 hours a day? > > If Radio Einz is available on Sky Digital radio, can someone please post not only the frequency and polarization, but also the Symbol Rate and FEC. I've tried every combination of these at 11.656 V, only to be informed that no signal could be found with these settings. > > Thanks in advance to anyone who can prvide some info. I'm sure it might be helpful to others too. > > Enjoy the show! > > - Chris Owen > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25423 Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard Ford Mon 12/18/2000 2 KB 25444 Re: TD on Electrobeats gnmorgan@b... Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25445 Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard Ford Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats In message <91m31n+mild@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes >Chris, > >Radio Eins is still on Sky analogue (I have it on at the moment). I >would not trust Realplayer to stay on constantly through the >show. I think you will be disappointed. I will try and remember to >pop in an analogue tape. Hi Gary Could you possibly supply the Frequency, etc. Thanks -- Richard Ford Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25444 Re: TD on Electrobeats gnmorgan@b... Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB 25445 Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard Ford Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe Considering 65% of I-Box is Tangents and Dream Roots, it's not THAT much of a deal. I hate to be the naysayer. I do want it for the few morsels of previously unreleased material and for the Perth concert. I don't think there is anyone on this list who wouldn't pay $120 for a 12 CD set of six concerts, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1986, and maybe 1990, or join a bi-monthly programme over the next few years for $25 each 2CD set with a concert, untouched. I'd buy directly from TD if it were the same price as online retailers. I'm going to buy it (well, backorder at least) for myself as a xmas gift. -Morgan >From: 'tom george' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:27:01 -0500 > > i saw the box at Tower records online for $46.00. of course you have to >add shipping to that. plus it said it was being released on the 12th but >they showed it today as backordered. but Joel, you have to admit that >$50.00 direct from TDI, shipping included, for a 6 cd set is the best deal >they have given the fans ever. i mean in the past they might have charged >160.00 for this. that is based on past prices like the booster and dice >packages. i won't bother saying any more about this, other than the fact >that this is a great deal whereever you get it. >tom >-- > >On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:43 Joel S. Mullen wrote: > >On Monday, December 18, 2000 3:06 PM, Richard Ford >[SMTP:theroom@b...] wrote: > >> I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if > >> the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to > >> continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them. > > > >It is just too bad that it almost always cost more to 'by direct' > >That goes for almost everything, not just TD though. > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > >Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability >From: scfeldman@j... > > >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:27 +0000 > >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > >From: tadream@egroups.com > >Really-From: Richard Ford > > > >I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more > >if the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to > >continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them. I don't want TD to continue doctoring concerts, not doing any promotion state-side, and not getting their CDs distributed. Honestly, I-Box at $50 doesn't interest me. At $35 it's more reasonable. I'm not really buying I-Box to support Edgar's endeavours, it's just because there's some new music on there. I guess I can't separate the two can I? -Morgan P.S. CD Universe has the cheapest prices I've seen, is very slow to ship, and probably on the brink of going tits-up. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats >From: 'Chris Owen' > >Hi everyone, > >Can someone please provide a bit of help to someone new to PCs who has >never used the internet before to listen to a radio broadcast. I'm planning >on listening to TD on Electrobeats on the 20th, and have the internet and >Sky Digital as options. If anyone is planning to use Sky Analogue, I know >for a fact that Radio Eins used to be broadcast this way, but have no idea >if this is still the case. > >Is this the correct address for Radio Einz's internet broadcast? >http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram > >I've tried logging on but a window keeps popping up stating 'Cannot open >'http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram'. Please verify that the path and >filename are correct and try again' Does my soundcard (Soundblaster 1024) >need to be configured in any way to receive the signal? Or could it be that >Radio Einz weren't broadcasting on the web at that particular time? Do they >broadcast this way 24 hours a day? I just tried http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram and it works fine for me. I'm assuming you have the latest version of RealAudio Player installed on your computer? .RAM files require RealAudio. www.real.com -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe Tom? Is there a hint in this post that YOU received a hidden 'extra' in YOUR copy of the I-Box? Neal > [Original Message] > From: tom george > To: > Date: 12/18/00 11:32:05 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > well Steve, > maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe. > Tom > -- From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 5:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe I received an EXTRA! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25429 Re: I-Box at CD Universe Richard Ford Tue 12/19/2000 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 8:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe In message , rbrown4856@a... writes >I received an EXTRA! Go on then, make us all jealous -- Richard From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ISP Firstnet in Leeds But I could be biased as I work there! On Tue, 05 Dec 2000, you wrote: > Can anyone in the UK suggest any ISP's they are happy with. I would be > grateful for your ideas. I'm getting *********************** off with > mine. > > Thanks > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe hi neal, no extra cds but a couple of adverts from the Ground Liftaz event. how's everything going your way papa? take care, tom -- On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:59:29 Neal Frost wrote: >Tom? > > Is there a hint in this post that YOU received a hidden 'extra' in >YOUR copy of the I-Box? > >Neal > > >> [Original Message] >> From: tom george >> To: >> Date: 12/18/00 11:32:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe >> >> well Steve, >> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order >direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a >few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good >about CD Universe. >> Tom >> -- > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe sorry folks, hit send before i realized it was going to the list. mean't to be a private reply. tom -- On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:59:29 Neal Frost wrote: >Tom? > > Is there a hint in this post that YOU received a hidden 'extra' in >YOUR copy of the I-Box? > >Neal > > >> [Original Message] >> From: tom george >> To: >> Date: 12/18/00 11:32:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe >> >> well Steve, >> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order >direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a >few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good >about CD Universe. >> Tom >> -- > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more! scfeldman@j... wrote: > > I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee! You're so absolutely right! To hell with Tangerine Dream and all their music. They continue to disappoint my narrow-minded musical tastes, and I'm just not standing for it anymore. If the rest of you want to keep ponying up your hard-earned cash to support this leech, then fine. Enjoy your open-minded easily-accepted musical ignorance while you can; I'm going to throw out my entire TD collection (since even the memory of the old stuff I used to love has been stained and spoiled by the current trend of something that sounds different and evolved) and stick with the artists like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down. Thank you Steven for finally showing me the light! Now let's see if I can figure out how to unsubscribe... James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25434 Re: An apologist no more! GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Tue 12/19/2000 2 KB 25435 Re: An apologist no more! tom george Tue 12/19/2000 3 KB 25436 Re: An apologist no more! Frank Arellano Wed 12/20/2000 3 KB From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more! In a message dated 19/12/00 16:17:04 GMT Standard Time, galador@m... writes: << stick with the artists like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down. >> Thought you were serious then. LOL From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more! haaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa. damn James you are funny. see you at the swamp? tom -- On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:14:23 James E. Jacoby wrote: > > >scfeldman@j... wrote: > >> >> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee! > >You're so absolutely right! To hell with Tangerine Dream and all their >music. They continue to disappoint my narrow-minded musical tastes, and >I'm just not standing for it anymore. If the rest of you want to keep >ponying up your hard-earned cash to support this leech, then fine. Enjoy >your open-minded easily-accepted musical ignorance while you can; I'm going >to throw out my entire TD collection (since even the memory of the old >stuff I used to love has been stained and spoiled by the current trend of >something that sounds different and evolved) and stick with the artists >like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down. > >Thank you Steven for finally showing me the light! Now let's see if I can >figure out how to unsubscribe... > >James > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more! James, I thought you were serious there for a minute too. :-) I was just about to tell you FUCK the Backstreet Boys !! And you can throw over the side of the boat all those nasty ass divas too!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more! > In a message dated 19/12/00 16:17:04 GMT Standard Time, > galador@m... writes: > > << stick with the artists > like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down. >> > Thought you were serious then. LOL > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe So Did I! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability I found CD World was actually cheaper than any of the major online distributors. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability > P.S. CD Universe has the cheapest prices I've seen, is very slow to ship, > and probably on the brink of going tits-up. > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 3:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe Tom, Absolutely Wonderful! My greatest Christmas gift I received this past March!!! Neal > [Original Message] > From: tom george > To: > Date: 12/19/00 10:51:44 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe > > hi neal, > no extra cds but a couple of adverts from the Ground Liftaz event. how's everything going your way papa? take care, > tom > -- From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 1:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW >Howdy all... > >I ordered the I-box from CDNow on the 14th...they shipped it on the 15th... > >ken Ken, have you received your I-box from CDnow yet? I have been sending e-mails about my order to their customer service and they aren't replying. Vince From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:43 pm Subject: Edgar's Inability to Have Any Objectivity On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:14:23 -0500 'James E. Jacoby' writes: >scfeldman@j... wrote: >> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee! > >You're so absolutely right! To hell with Tangerine Dream and all >their music. [. . .] Nice try, but I like TD plenty. My problem is with Edgar's decision to have TDI run by a half dozen people and his inability to have any objectivity. He's like George Lucas: he has too much creative control and no one in the position to tell him when he's making bad decisions or is being an idiot. For example, can anyone here name any other band that is so hell-bent on doctoring older recordings so extensively? > [. . .] They continue to disappoint my narrow-minded musical tastes, >I'm going to throw out my entire TD collection (since even the memory >of the old stuff I used to love has been stained and spoiled by the >current trend of something that sounds different and evolved) [. . .] I strongly disagree here, too: I like music from *all* of TD's 'periods' and I rank MARS POLARIS in their Top Ten of all time. MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ & anime by Hayao Miyazaki From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! well, not exactly, BUT, you can easily view an auto-translated version: 1) go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn 2) enter the url into the appropriate field (http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/index.htm) 3) enjoy a hard-to-read-but-understandable-for-the-most-part version of the site. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ford [mailto:theroom@b...] > I take it there is no English version of the magazine/article > > HI! > > > > Hot news for all Tangerine Dream fans! > > > > GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE > DREAM in > > their > > magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete > > story about TD I found during the last years. > > From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:30 pm Subject: Christmas Blessings! From our Family to yours! May your Christmas be very pleasant. May the Holidays and the New Year bring the best for you and those closest to you. Sincerely, Todd and Julie Tornow and Family _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard, It's - 11.053 H. Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, Richard Ford wrote: > In message <91m31n+mild@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes > >Chris, > > > >Radio Eins is still on Sky analogue (I have it on at the moment). I > >would not trust Realplayer to stay on constantly through the > >show. I think you will be disappointed. I will try and remember to > >pop in an analogue tape. > > Hi Gary > > Could you possibly supply the Frequency, etc. > > Thanks > -- > Richard Ford Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25445 Re: TD on Electrobeats Richard Ford Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats In message <91r0lr+8o07@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes >Richard, > >It's - 11.053 H. > >Gary. Thanks, have tuned it in, now just have to wait until Wednesday. -- Richard From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 9:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats OK, I'm listening to the station, but it is in German. Will Electrobeats be in English? --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! Joe Shoults wrote: > > well, not exactly, BUT, you can easily view an auto-translated version: Joe, there is already an auto-translated version at the files area of tadream: http://www.egroups.com/files/tadream/germanrock.txt How come that the list owner doesn't know that ? ;-) Antonio Nunes From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 9:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats Nope. Edgar and Jerome speak mostly German and this is a German radio station. If the last 2 Electrobeats shows are any indication, expect some talking by Edgar and Jerome and then a lot of TD, some of which will have been previously unreleased. (Much of the last Electrobeats' unreleased music ended up on Antique Dreams) Enjoy! Morgan >From: Bennett Cookson >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0700 > >OK, I'm listening to the station, but it is in German. Will Electrobeats >be >in English? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 9:56 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST! haha, oops. well, I checked and you're right: the notification of upload was buried in my e-mail: thanks. File : /germanrock.txt Uploaded by : kevine@c... Description : Badly translated english version of Article Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:13:40 -0500 > -----Original Message----- ... > How come that the list owner doesn't know that ? ;-) > > Antonio Nunes From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats Woo hoo, as of 4:06PM Central time, now that the news and advertising are out of the way, the third Tangerine Dream-hosted Electrobeats is on the air. Now someone will kill me because I can't remember what this is from. Hyperborea? I know it's used in the Wavelength soundtrack... -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats Bennett Cookson wrote: > > OK, I'm listening to the station, but it is in German. Will Electrobeats be > in English? No, but you will understand the music :-) I'm listening to it right now, via RealAudio (http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram) Antonio Nunes From: joes@f... Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:18 pm Subject: someone taping current radioeins broadcast? listening to RadioEins broadcast, but I have to leave for home now. I hope someone is taping this? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25453 Re: someone taping current radioeins broadcast? Bennett Cookson Wed 12/20/2000 2 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] someone taping current radioeins broadcast? I keep losing my connection to their Internet site I hope someone will have a clean MP3 version they can post once this is done... -----Original Message----- From: joes@f... [mailto:joes@f...] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:19 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] someone taping current radioeins broadcast? listening to RadioEins broadcast, but I have to leave for home now. I hope someone is taping this? PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats I missed the first 35 minutes or so...what have they played so far? Right now, they've got the 1997 version of Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe on. I assume they'll be saving the poll results for later on in the show? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats Ah, an extended (live) version of Choronzon...and not Tangentized! Someone *is* recording this, right? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Totta Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats Hi People Im one of the unlucky, who missed the radio eins show so now im begging. Is there any chans in hell that someone who taped the show can send me a copy. Offcourse you get something in return, thanks in advance Totta From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats This could be grossly inaccurate, but so far I've heard.... 1. LeParc / Wavelength? 2. Rolling Down Cahuenga 3. Cinnamon Road 4. Return of the Goodsens/Dream is always the same (possibly live as it has some earlier [1981] elements and is quite long) 5. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997 Morgan >From: Sean Montgomery >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:54:22 -0500 > >I missed the first 35 minutes or so...what have they played so far? Right >now, >they've got the 1997 version of Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe on. > >I assume they'll be saving the poll results for later on in the show? > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats The show has 40 minutes left still man. -Morgan >From: Totta >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:01:07 +0100 > >Hi People > >Im one of the unlucky, who missed the radio eins show so now im begging. >Is there any chans in hell that someone who taped the show can send me a >copy. >Offcourse you get something in return, thanks in advance > >Totta > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Totta Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats But i cant hear it, i live in sweden. Im envie you people..... Totta Feldon Feldon wrote: > The show has 40 minutes left still man. > > -Morgan > > >From: Totta > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: tadream@egroups.com > >Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats > >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:01:07 +0100 > > > >Hi People > > > >Im one of the unlucky, who missed the radio eins show so now im begging. > >Is there any chans in hell that someone who taped the show can send me a > >copy. > >Offcourse you get something in return, thanks in advance > > > >Totta > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Bill Frederick Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats I'm listening to it on RealAudio and it sounds fine. Just go to the website. Listening to TD at work is great. b2 But i cant hear it, i live in sweden. Im envie you people..... Totta From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats Bill Frederick wrote: > Listening to TD at work is great. Agreed...although I can do it anytime, by bringing in a CD. It's really weird hearing TD music coming from a radio station though! For those who can't hear the show, I can add to the previously posted track listing: Choronzon (live) Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares Canyon Carver A live piece that I recognize, but I can't think of the name (1990 or 1992 tour?) Stratosfear Betrayal Scrap Yard Lana (the Force Majeure except used on the Risky Business Soundtrack) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats Totta wrote: > > But i cant hear it, i live in sweden. Of course you can. Have you tried the URL that I posted on my previous message? Of course you'll have to have the RealPlayer installed in your PC. Well, you have 15 minutes left. Antonio Nunes From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-) You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started. I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in 'London, New York, or wherever' How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York... --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats Here's my preliminary tracklist for the 2 hour Electrobeats show. The first tracks are guesses and the rest is from Sean Montgomery: 1. LeParc / Wavelength piece? 2. Rolling Down Cahuenga 3. Cinnamon Road? 4. Return of the Goodsens extended live edition? 5. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997 6. Choronzon (live - as per Sean) 7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 8. Canyon Carver 9. unknown 1982 live piece 10. Stratosfear 11. Betrayal 12. Scrap Yard 13. Lana (Force Majeure excerpt) 14. Rubycon pt 2 excerpt 15. Tangram pt 2 excerpt Certainly not as exciting as last year or the year before, but TD on the radio is always a good thing. Cheers, -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:15 am Subject: Electrobeats fresh news Jerome Froese has just announced that TD will play in Portugal, Spain and France. First he announced in Spanish: 'Since we plan to play a few concerts in Portugal, we also will play most probably in Barcelona and Madrid.' He also announced in French: 'It's possible that TD will play in Paris at the beginning of May'. Antonio Nunes From: 'Greg' Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats > Here's my preliminary tracklist for the 2 hour Electrobeats show. The first > tracks are guesses and the rest is from Sean Montgomery: > > 1. LeParc / Wavelength piece? > 2. Rolling Down Cahuenga > 3. Cinnamon Road? > 4. Return of the Goodsens extended live edition? > 5. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997 > 6. Choronzon (live - as per Sean) > 7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares > 8. Canyon Carver > 9. unknown 1982 live piece > 10. Stratosfear > 11. Betrayal > 12. Scrap Yard > 13. Lana (Force Majeure excerpt) > 14. Rubycon pt 2 excerpt > 15. Tangram pt 2 excerpt > > Certainly not as exciting as last year or the year before, but TD on the > radio is always a good thing. > > Cheers, > > -Morgan on 15. .. make that Tangram pt 1 excerpt (love that opening flute like sequence!) Greg H From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Here's my preliminary tracklist for the 2 hour Electrobeats show. The first > tracks are guesses and the rest is from Sean Montgomery: > > 1. LeParc / Wavelength piece? It's Gaudi Park Antonio Nunes From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 1:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats Bennett, you live in Utah?? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bennett Cookson' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-) > > You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started. > I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in > 'London, New York, or wherever' > How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York... > > --Bennett > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: tomx01@w... Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 5:30 am Subject: D: [Broadcast] Electrobeats 2000 =) Not having the tangents box set or the I-Box yet this was very interesting listening, as they played the Tangentised versions of Rubycon and The Girl on the Stairways which is one of the best TD tracks I have ever heard. The live version of Rolling down Cahuenga sounded very very similar to the studio version although it varied more towards the end. The live version of Choronzon was excellent also, very similar to the recoring on RDE or is it SOD I forget. Looking forward to the I-Box and a possible NYC gig, Tom Melrose From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 8:09 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Christmas Blessings! And a very happy christmas to You all, too :o) * From our Family to yours! > > May your Christmas be very pleasant. > > May the Holidays and the New Year bring the best for you and those closest > to you. > > Sincerely, > > Todd and Julie Tornow and Family From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 10:23 am Subject: Choronzon live Elektrobeats Yo, I forgot to mention that the 'Choronzon' live track was taken from the Rome Palasport February 6th, 1981 concert Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 10:18 am Subject: Concert dates & more Hi, I haven't had the chance to listen to the Elektrobeats show yesterday, but a friend of mine (who isn't a member of the Tadream lists) told me that. I hope what he wrote me is true, it's somehow too good to be true! ;-) a) 2001: TD will tour in Portugal and Spain, France, London in March/April, Berlin in October b) First performance of 'Dante's trilogy' (in 3 parts which will be performed within a time span of two years: 1st concert near Bernau/Berlin, 2nd part in Atlanta/USA, 3rd part in Sydney) c) Release of Dream mixes III in March 2001. d) there will be no DVD releases in the next couple of months e) TD plans to release an official video from a 70's live concert (!) f) Edgar is talking about bootlegs. He thinks that it's ok as long as the sound quality is very good and the number of copies released is less than 500. g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to TD tracks. h) Club Tour 2001 in USA! (this will excite quite a few of you guys on the list ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25473 Re: Concert dates & more Joe Shoults Thu 12/21/2000 3 KB 25474 Re: Concert dates & more Heiko Heerssen Thu 12/21/2000 2 KB 25478 Re: Concert dates & more Patrik . Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB 25481 Re: Concert dates & more Sean Montgomery Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB 25484 Re: Concert dates & more gnmorgan@b... Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 2:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Concert dates & more what is his source for this information? > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:19 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Concert dates & more > > > Hi, > I haven't had the chance to listen to the Elektrobeats show yesterday, > but a friend of mine (who isn't a member of the Tadream lists) told me > that. I hope what he wrote me is true, it's somehow too good > to be true! > ;-) > > a) 2001: TD will tour in Portugal and Spain, France, London in > March/April, Berlin in October > b) First performance of 'Dante's trilogy' (in 3 parts which will be > performed within a time span of two years: 1st concert near > Bernau/Berlin, 2nd part in Atlanta/USA, 3rd part in Sydney) > c) Release of Dream mixes III in March 2001. > d) there will be no DVD releases in the next couple of months > e) TD plans to release an official video from a 70's live concert (!) > f) Edgar is talking about bootlegs. He thinks that it's ok as long as > the sound quality is very good and the number of copies > released is less > than 500. > g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to > TD tracks. > h) Club Tour 2001 in USA! (this will excite quite a few of you guys on > the list ;-) > > Heiko > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert dates & more Joe Shoults schrieb: > what is his source for this information? He listened to the show yesterday (I also have a confirmation from one of the German Tadream list members that what I said is 100% true) Heiko From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 3:24 pm Subject: Official Electrobeats Tracklisting - Poll Results The RadioEins website has posted the tracklisting for TD's show yesterday. And boy, do I feel like a dummy for identifying track 12 as a live track. Just goes to show that even TD fans get their songs confused, I suppose. And it also shows that that I should listen to Mars Polaris again, because I'd forgotten that I liked that track. 1. Gaudi Park 2. Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) 3. Cinnamon Road 4. The Dream Is Always the Same 5. Last Trumpet on 23rd Street 6. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe (remix) 7. Choronzon (live) 8. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares (excerpt) 9. Canyon Carver 10. Rim of Schiaparelli 11. Stratosfear (excerpt) 12. Betrayal - from Sorcerer 13. Scrap Yard - from Thief 14. Force Majeure ('Lana' except from Tangents) 15. Rubycon (The Decision) 16. Tangram Part One (first 5 minutes) And here are the poll results: Studio Albums 1.Tangram 2.Rubycon 3.Force Majeure 4.Stratosfear 5.Mars Polaris 6.Phaedra 7.Underwater Sunlight 8.Exit 9.White Eagle 10.Hyperborea 11.Melrose 12. (tie) Le Parc / Optical Race 13.Tyranny Of Beauty 14.Zeit 15.(tie) Goblins Club / Dream Mixes 1 16.Turn Of The Tides 17.Timesquare - Dream Mixes 2 18.Green Desert / Rockoon 19.Atem 20.(tie) Alpha Centauri / Lily On The Beach Live Albums 1.Logos 2.Ricochet 3.Poland 4.Encore 5.220 Volt Live 6.Pergamon 7.Livemiles 8.Tournado 9.Valentine Wheels 10.Soundmill Navigator Soundtracks 1.Thief 2.Sorcerer 3.Oasis 4.Firestarter 5.The Keep 6.Canyon Dreams 7.Legend 8.Miracle Mile 9.What A Blast 10.Wavelength 11.Great Wall Of China 12.Flashpoint 13.Near Dark 14.Risky Business 15.Transsiberia 16.Destination Berlin 17.Heartbreakers 18.Shy People 19.Zoning 20.Le' Affaire Wallraff The usual suspects show up at the top of the lists. I wonder how Edgar felt having to sit there and have the supremacy of TD's (un-Tangentized) older albums proclaimed right to his face. Anyway, there are a couple of surprises, most notably the high placements for Tyranny of Beauty, Zeit, and Great Wall of China, the relatively low placement for Dream Mixes, and the non-appearance of Cyclone. Or perhaps that's not a surprise? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25476 Re: Official Electrobeats Tracklisting - Poll Res Sean Montgomery Thu 12/21/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Official Electrobeats Tracklisting - Poll Results Oops, sorry, I meant that I identified track 10 as a live track. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 8:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elektrobeats >From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... > >Hi all, > >'ElektroBeats' is an german Radio - Program broadcast every week on >wednesday 11 PM to 01 AM on the Station: Radio Eins (Berlin/Potsdam). > >more information : www.radioeins.de http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram Don't forget! That's 3pm EST, 4pm CST, 5pm MST, and 6pm PST. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Patrik .' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert dates & more Really good news - TD Live, at last! - Feliz Navidad y un prospero a�o 2001! - or as we say: - God Jul och Ett Gott Nytt �r - Best regards to you all Patrik, Stockholm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:51 pm Subject: Fwd: Re: Erp!- Muslimgauze,&Reggae/Dub and prolific artists check this guy out fellow TDers....the discussion was what artist had the largest catalog and of course TD was mentioned and then this guy came out of the woodwork....geez.....Stratosfear....crappy? tom -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:02:16 From: Guy Berger To: erpnotes@e... At 12:34 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Tangerine Dream, over 80 albums thus far, not including boxsets, comps and >reissues. But only less than 10 are worth hearing. ;) (To be honest, I haven't heard any complete albums beyond _Stratosfear_ but that one was pretty crappy.) Guy np Genesis _Live_ - - 'You don't like 'Trick Of The Tail'? It was their first real album, without Pete killing their songs.' - Vin ----------------------------------------- This has been a presentation of ErpNotes. http://www.erpland.org/ --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25480 Fwd: Re: Erp!- Muslimgauze,&Reggae/Dub and prolif tom george Fri 12/22/2000 3 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: Fwd: Re: Erp!- Muslimgauze,&Reggae/Dub and prolific artists and here is another...... -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:10:57 From: 'Martin A. Miller' To: erpnotes@e... > > At 12:34 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, somebody wrote: > >Tangerine Dream, over 80 albums thus far, not including boxsets, comps and > >reissues. And, Guy Berger replied: > But only less than 10 are worth hearing. ;) (To be honest, I > haven't heard any complete albums beyond _Stratosfear_ but that one was > pretty crappy.) I would have to agree. I recently picked up something called 'Destination Berlin'. Pretty nasty. Sort of contemporary jazz (read Kenny G) meets electronica. My favorites include: Phaedra, Ricochet, Sorceror Soundtrack, and by far my absolute favorite, Force Majeur > Guy cheers, -mm -- Martin A. Miller, Systems Programmer, Bon Vivant At-Large & Stunt Borg. Walgreens Corporate IT: Integration Architecture Idiot Filter: 'Ya, we run the C++ operating system on a QNX platform over FDDI twisted pair at 600 MIPS.' If they swallow that, hang up. ----------------------------------------- This has been a presentation of ErpNotes. http://www.erpland.org/ --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert dates & more Heiko Heerssen wrote: > g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to > TD tracks. That has the potential to be the worst TD album ever. Can you imagine a whole album of Dreamtime, Rose of Babylon, and Shy People? I imagine the Star Wars Christmas Special from 1978, with Carrie Fisher singing the 'Life Day' song to the tune of the Star Wars main theme. *shudder* -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25484 Re: Concert dates & more gnmorgan@b... Fri 12/22/2000 2 KB From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have shipped the I-box to me. It's about time. :-) From: Totta Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW Lucky you, i still haven't heard anything Totta Vince LeGrand wrote: > I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have shipped > the I-box to me. It's about time. :-) > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: Concert dates & more What on earth is 'Rose of Babylon'? Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to > > TD tracks. > > That has the potential to be the worst TD album ever. Can you imagine a > whole album of Dreamtime, Rose of Babylon, and Shy People? I imagine the > Star Wars Christmas Special from 1978, with Carrie Fisher singing the 'Life > Day' song to the tune of the Star Wars main theme. *shudder* > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:53 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Concert dates & more Check 'The Hollywood Years II', the last song is called 'Rose of Babylon'. A lady named Vicki McClure I think is singing. I also remember something about TDI making a whole album with her, but I can't remember clearly. Thomas > What on earth is 'Rose of Babylon'? > > Gary. > > --- In tadream@egroups.com, Sean Montgomery > wrote: > > > > > > Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > > g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will > sing (!) to > > > TD tracks. > > > > That has the potential to be the worst TD album ever. Can you > imagine a > > whole album of Dreamtime, Rose of Babylon, and Shy > People? I imagine the > > Star Wars Christmas Special from 1978, with Carrie Fisher > singing the 'Life > > Day' song to the tune of the Star Wars main theme. *shudder* > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:35 pm Subject: i-Box review Greetings all- Well, I've had my i-Box for 2 weeks now (picked it up at RPM here in Dallas), so I've had a chance to thoroughly soak it in. There are a few more surprises on these discs than has been previously mentioned by those who got it last month! Which is a good thing, as it gives me another opportunity to join the ego-fest here!:) Now let's get on with it, shall we? Nice packaging with the barest miniumum of typos/grammatical errors. Great photos in the booklet, although a few of them are mislabeled (just one example: #61 is labelled as Lycabethus, Athens instead of New York Avery Fisher Hall '77!) Now as to what's on the discs, here's a quick rundown with source info after the track times (if there is no note, then it is the original): CD 1- 01 Alpha Centauri 3.18 (DR) 02 Fauni Gena 3.58 (DR) 03 Birth of Liquid Plejades 3.44 (DR-Edit) 04 White Clouds 4.22 05 Green Desert 5.26 06 Astral Voyager 6.11 07 Indian Summer 6.42 08 Dolphin Dance 5.02 09 Underwater Twilight 5.50 10 Coppercoast 5.17 11 The Night at Ayers Rock 3.17 12 Logos (Red Part) 6.12 (T) 13 Monolight 4.50 (T) 14 No Man's Land 7.29 (T) CD 2- 01 Logos (Blue Part) 5.55 (T) 02 Cinnamon Road 4.15 (T) 03 Desert Dream 4.00 (T) 04 Logos (Velvet Part) 5.09 (T) 05 Hyperborea 8.38 (T) 06 Dominion 4.46 (T) 07 Monolight (Yellow Part) 7.16 (T) 08 Volcano 4.41 09 Ride on a Ray 5.14 10 Pergamon (Piano Part) 4.58 (T) 11 Tangent 5.20 (DR) 12 Central Park 3.35 (DR) 13 Barbakane (Part Two) 4.14 (DR) CD 3- 01 Zen Garden 4.42 (DR) 02 Yellowstone Park 6.10 03 LiveMiles (Green Trail Part) 6.19 (Edit) 04 Gaudi Park 5.18 05 Alchemy of the Heart 5.47 (Edit) 06 Song of the Whale (from Dawn) 4.59 (DR) 07 Tyger (William Blake Poem) 5.32 08 Bois de Bologne 5.13 09 Poland 9.18 (DR) 10 LiveMiles (San Buena Ventura) 5.11 11 Song of the Whale (to Dusk) 5.57 (DR) 12 The Cliffs of Sydney 5.39 CD 4- 01 Warsaw in the Sun (live) 4.33 (12' Version) 02 Polish Dance (live) 5.49 03 Melrose (live) 5.43 04 Electric Lion (live) 8.11 05 Longing for Cashba 7.37 (Unreleased Live Berlin `90, studio additions) 06 Cool at Heart (live) 6.07 07 Sun Gate (live) 4.43 08 Marakesh (live) 8.19 (Demo Version) 09 Ivory Town 4.32 (Unreleased) 10 Cat Scan (live) 5.33 (Demo Version) 11 Ghazal (live) 4.57 12 The Midnight Trail (live) 5.45 CD 5- 01 Too Hot for My Chinchilla (live) 3.45 02 Unicorn Saga (live) 3.56 (Unreleased) 03 Lily on the Beach (live) 4.14 04 Storm Seekers 5.27 (Unreleased) 05 Mount Shasta (live) 4.25 06 Exit (live) 4.32 (Unreleased Live US `86) 07 Akash Deep 7.25 (Unreleased Live US `86, studio additions) 08 Crystal Curfew (live) 5.00 09 Cool Shibuya 3.53 (Unreleased) 10 Alaskan Summer (live) 3.34 11 Long Island Sunset (live) 6.58 12 Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) 6.43 13 Iguana (live) 5.34 (Unreleased) CD 6- 01 DreamYard (The Perth Tapes) Part 1: Red Velvet Rooster (Unreleased)/ Part 2: Mojave Plan (Desert Version) 45.35 (Unreleased Tangents Version) Now for the crux of the biscuit.:) With the exceptions of 'Exit' and 'Polish Dance', *NONE* of the tracks labeled as live actually are. They've all been 'ambience enhanced', but that's it. Which is more than a little bummer-for despite the opinion of some of the purists out there, there *are* often differences in the material performed live. A few examples- _Melrose_ as performed live had no sax; _Electic Lion_ as performed live had no guitar; _Sungate_ as performed live had no guitar-and all of the previous also had voicing changes to boot. It would've been nice to hear them. But just when I'm about to give up on the familiar titles, along comes Disc 4 with a few 'hidden treasures'. First is 'Warsaw in the Sun'. Not the excerpt from 'Barbakane', but the previously unreleased on official CD 12' version (and I swear I hear vinyl noise...)! Bliss! Next is 'Marakesh'. Not the original or live version but what has to be a *demo* version! The difference in the sequencing and the missing voices and `polish' subtly change the feel of this track. Cool! Now we come to 'Cat Scan'. Again, not the original or live version but another demo version! Like 'Marakesh', this one also has voicing differences and lacks `polish'-plus it has a cold ending. Neat! Now for the unreleased tracks. 'Longing for Cashba' is an edit of an unreleased Berlin `90 mainset theme with some additions (namely the sax) to fill it out. I've always liked this theme and am glad it's finally out in any form. 'Ivory Tower' sounds to me like a _Miracle Mile_ outtake. This track compliments 'On the Spur of the Moment' from that soundtrack quite nicely, I think. Then we come to Disc 5. This is the one that was advertised as containing most of the unreleased goodies. It doesn't dissapoint. I've already dispensed with the 'live' business, so, moving on to the unreleased material we find another surprise-'Unicorn Saga'! It's not the live version (unless the performance at the Mill Valley Film Festival was truly unique-I *still* can't beleive that there is no fan tape from this event!) from the `86 Tour, but what instead sounds like another demo; or better still, what should've been the end titles instead of the Brian Ferry song! In fact, I'll bet that's just what it is. It's a really interesting version of the theme-wistfully triumphant and faintly elegiac. 'Storm Seekers' is a simple yet interesting track. The sound is late `80s with a modern wash but the feel is early `80s-sort of a 'Stuntman 2000'! This would not be a bad fit on _Optical Race_, in my opinion. Then the awesome 'Akash Deep' starts. My first live TD experience was the center of the 11th row of the Kiva Center in Albuquerque on June 8, 1986. Of all the music performed that evening, this piece was the one that embedded itself most deeply into my memory of that magical evening. I basically instantly memorized that single section-it was hard not to, actually, as it was (for me) a total sensory overload. The music was not only heard, but *felt* (the bass sequence and the second section drum part resonated throughout my entire body) and seen (the searchlight scanning the audience through the fog was mesmerising.) My first disappointment with the band came upon the release of _LiveMiles_ and the discovery that none of my memories, * especially* 'Akash Deep' were to be found on that LP. This belated release almost makes up for that. It's an edited and tweaked version of the piece (in concert it was over 14 minutes long) but wonderful to hear nonetheless. I just wish that it was the original full version. 'Cool Shibuya' would not be out of place on _Oasis_. It has that late `80s/early `90s feel to it-not bad. 'Iguana' contains the chord sequence from one of the unreleased `88 Tour themes as it's intro and outro. But the middle section is another story! I would bet that this is a _Lily on the Beach_ outtake, judging by the (uncredited) Jerome fret work on the first half of the guitar part! Since Ralf Wadephul is give a co-writing credit and his stint with the band ended not long after the `88 Tour (during writing for _LotB_ and _Dead Solid Perfect_), I imagine that Edgar and Jerome wrote 'Radio City' to replace it on the aforementioned disc. Parts of it can be heard on _DSP_, however. Disc 6. _Dream Yard-The Perth Tapes_. My hopes for the second half of the Aussie `82 shows having already been crushed by the early reports of the contents, I'm originally resigned to just giving it a cursory listen. But right from the start I notice that once again, it pays to ignore certain reviews. The very opening flute notes are maddeningly familiar-I *think* they're from one of the early `80s soundchecks, but I can't find the tape to be sure! The first 8:00 are what can be described as the source for 'Snake Bath' from _Kamikaze 1989_! This first section is wonderful, as it immediately pulls me back into 1982, even though it's *not* the `82 that's advertised! The track then segues into a little of the 'Cryo Lab' version from the Berlin `81 Freidenskonziert, which then morphs into 'Specific Gravity of Smile' from _Pinnacles_, with a few additional touches here and there (if memory also serves, I seem to recall that they did some studio time in Australia while there...I need to go through my print archives again!) This keeps me in the early `80s reverie, so I'm starting to think the initial apprehension was unwarranted. Then it changes into 'Convention of the 24', and my reverie is shattered. The overdubs on this section *completeley* overwhelm the original instead of compliment it. Now I'm just waiting for 'Mojave Plan' to start. And with an awkward edit, it does. I know it won't be the concert version, so Im just listening for the overdubs-will they add or subtract from what is one of my all-time favorite songs. I loved the versions on _Tangents_, so I'm hopeful that the full track will be just as fresh as they were. Sadly, this is not the case. The treatments here are minimal (but noticeable) in the first half and nonexistant in the second half until the very end, which merely mirrors the deep drone that starts the disc. Had this been what was released as _Sohoman_, I would've been very dissapointed. Overall, the i-Box is fairly good compilation with some fairly evident flaws. Like _Antique Dreams_ , it just misses out on satisfying the listner with a *truly* definitve overview of the eras presented. But unlike _AD_, all of the unreleased gems here, as well as the unexpexted treasures, are worthy of inclusion. In fact, perhaps some of the tracks here should've been included on _AD_ in place of some of the later `80s material there. Ah, well. As long as it's available somewhere...:) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25488 i-Box review Hermes Guzman Sat 12/23/2000 11 KB 25504 Re: i-Box review Neal Frost Sun 12/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:37 pm Subject: Merry X-mas & a happy new year Hello everyone Just wanted to wish you all a merry X-mas and a happy new year. Lights and Respect Jan pergamon@g... http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25498 Re: Merry Christmas and Happy new Year =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:11 am Subject: i-Box review Greetings all- Well, I've had my _i-Box_ for 2 weeks now (picked it up at RPM here in Dallas), so I've had a chance to thoroughly soak it in. There are a few more surprises on these discs than has been previously mentioned by those who got it last month! Which is a good thing, as it gives me another opportunity to join the ego-fest here!:) Now let's get on with it, shall we? Nice packaging with the barest miniumum of typos/grammatical errors. Great photos in the booklet, although a few of them are mislabeled (just one example: #61 is labelled as Lycabethus, Athens instead of New York Avery Fisher Hall '77!) Now as to what's on the discs, here's a quick rundown with source info after the track times (if there is no note, then it is the original): CD 1- 01 Alpha Centauri 3.18 (DR) 02 Fauni Gena 3.58 (DR) 03 Birth of Liquid Plejades 3.44 (DR-Edit) 04 White Clouds 4.22 05 Green Desert 5.26 06 Astral Voyager 6.11 07 Indian Summer 6.42 08 Dolphin Dance 5.02 09 Underwater Twilight 5.50 10 Coppercoast 5.17 11 The Night at Ayers Rock 3.17 12 Logos (Red Part) 6.12 (T) 13 Monolight 4.50 (T) 14 No Man's Land 7.29 (T) CD 2- 01 Logos (Blue Part) 5.55 (T) 02 Cinnamon Road 4.15 (T) 03 Desert Dream 4.00 (T) 04 Logos (Velvet Part) 5.09 (T) 05 Hyperborea 8.38 (T) 06 Dominion 4.46 (T) 07 Monolight (Yellow Part) 7.16 (T) 08 Volcano 4.41 09 Ride on a Ray 5.14 10 Pergamon (Piano Part) 4.58 (T) 11 Tangent 5.20 (DR) 12 Central Park 3.35 (DR) 13 Barbakane (Part Two) 4.14 (DR) CD 3- 01 Zen Garden 4.42 (DR) 02 Yellowstone Park 6.10 03 LiveMiles (Green Trail Part) 6.19 (Edit) 04 Gaudi Park 5.18 05 Alchemy of the Heart 5.47 (Edit) 06 Song of the Whale (from Dawn) 4.59 (DR) 07 Tyger (William Blake Poem) 5.32 08 Bois de Bologne 5.13 09 Poland 9.18 (DR) 10 LiveMiles (San Buena Ventura) 5.11 11 Song of the Whale (to Dusk) 5.57 (DR) 12 The Cliffs of Sydney 5.39 CD 4- 01 Warsaw in the Sun (live) 4.33 (12' Version) 02 Polish Dance (live) 5.49 03 Melrose (live) 5.43 04 Electric Lion (live) 8.11 05 Longing for Cashba 7.37 (Unreleased Live Berlin '90, studio additions) 06 Cool at Heart (live) 6.07 07 Sun Gate (live) 4.43 08 Marakesh (live) 8.19 (Demo Version) 09 Ivory Town 4.32 (Unreleased) 10 Cat Scan (live) 5.33 (Demo Version) 11 Ghazal (live) 4.57 12 The Midnight Trail (live) 5.45 CD 5- 01 Too Hot for My Chinchilla (live) 3.45 02 Unicorn Saga (live) 3.56 (Unreleased) 03 Lily on the Beach (live) 4.14 04 Storm Seekers 5.27 (Unreleased) 05 Mount Shasta (live) 4.25 06 Exit (live) 4.32 (Unreleased Live US '86) 07 Akash Deep 7.25 (Unreleased Live US '86, studio additions) 08 Crystal Curfew (live) 5.00 09 Cool Shibuya 3.53 (Unreleased) 10 Alaskan Summer (live) 3.34 11 Long Island Sunset (live) 6.58 12 Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) 6.43 13 Iguana (live) 5.34 (Unreleased) CD 6- 01 DreamYard (The Perth Tapes) Part 1: Red Velvet Rooster (Unreleased)/ Part 2: Mojave Plan (Desert Version) 45.35 (Unreleased Tangents Version) Now for the crux of the biscuit.:) With the exceptions of 'Exit' and 'Polish Dance', *NONE* of the tracks labeled as live actually are. They've all been 'ambience enhanced', but that's it. Which is more than a little bummer-for despite the opinion of some of the purists out there, there *are* often differences in the material performed live. A few examples- _Melrose_ as performed live had no sax; _Electic Lion_ as performed live had no guitar; _Sungate_ as performed live had no guitar-and all of the previous also had voicing changes to boot. It would've been nice to hear them. But just when I'm about to give up on the familiar titles, along comes Disc 4 with a few 'hidden treasures'. First is 'Warsaw in the Sun'. Not the excerpt from 'Barbakane', but the previously unreleased on official CD 12' version (and I swear I hear vinyl noise...)! Bliss! Next is 'Marakesh'. Not the original or live version but what has to be a *demo* version! The difference in the sequencing and the missing voices and `polish' subtly change the feel of this track. Cool! Now we come to 'Cat Scan'. Again, not the original or live version but another demo version! Like 'Marakesh', this one also has voicing differences and lacks `polish'-plus it has a cold ending. Neat! Now for the unreleased tracks. 'Longing for Cashba' is an edit of an unreleased Berlin `90 mainset theme with some additions (namely the sax) to fill it out. I've always liked this theme and am glad it's finally out in any form. 'Ivory Tower' sounds to me like a _Miracle Mile_ outtake. This track compliments 'On the Spur of the Moment' from that soundtrack quite nicely, I think. Then we come to Disc 5. This is the one that was advertised as containing most of the unreleased goodies. It doesn't dissapoint. I've already dispensed with the 'live' business, so, moving on to the unreleased material we find another surprise-'Unicorn Saga'! It's not the live version (unless the performance at the Mill Valley Film Festival was truly unique-I *still* can't believe that there is no fan tape from this event!) from the '86 Tour, but what instead sounds like another demo; or better still, what should've been the end titles instead of the Brian Ferry song! In fact, I'll bet that's just what it is. It's a really interesting version of the theme-both wistfully triumphant and faintly elegiac. 'Storm Seekers' is a simple yet interesting track. The sound is late '80s with a modern wash but the feel is early '80s-sort of a 'Stuntman 2000'! This would not be a bad fit on _Optical Race_, in my opinion. Then the awesome 'Akash Deep' starts. My first live TD experience was the center of the 11th row of the Kiva Center in Albuquerque on June 8, 1986. Of all the music performed that evening, this piece was the one that embedded itself most deeply into my memory of that magical evening. I basically instantly memorized that single section-it was hard not to, actually, as it was (for me) a total sensory overload. The music was not only heard, but *felt* (the bass sequence and the second section drum part resonated throughout my entire body) and seen (the searchlight scanning the audience through the fog was mesmerising.) My first disappointment with the band came upon the release of _LiveMiles_ and the discovery that none of my memories, *especially* 'Akash Deep' were to be found on that LP. This belated release almost makes up for that. It's an edited and tweaked version of the piece (in concert it was over 14 minutes long) but wonderful to hear nonetheless. I just wish that it was the original full version. 'Cool Shibuya' would not be out of place on _Oasis_. It has that late `80s/early `90s feel to it-not bad. 'Iguana' contains the chord sequence from one of the unreleased '88 Tour themes as it's intro and outro. But the middle section is another story! I would bet that this is a _Lily on the Beach_ outtake, judging by the (uncredited) Jerome fret work on the first half of the guitar part! Since Ralf Wadephul is give a co-writing credit and his stint with the band ended not long after the '88 Tour (during writing for _LotB_ and _Dead Solid Perfect_), I imagine that Edgar and Jerome wrote 'Radio City' to replace it on the aforementioned disc. Parts of it can be heard on _DSP_, however. Disc 6. _Dream Yard-The Perth Tapes_. My hopes for the second half of the Aussie '82 shows having already been crushed by the early reports of the contents, I'm originally resigned to just giving it a cursory listen. But right from the start I notice that once again, it pays to ignore certain reviews. The very opening flute notes are maddeningly familiar-I *think* they're from one of the early '80s soundchecks, but I can't find the tape to be sure! The first 8:00 are what can be described as the source for 'Snake Bath' from _Kamikaze 1989_! This first section is wonderful, as it immediately pulls me back into 1982, even though it's *not* the '82 that's advertised! The track then segues into a little of the 'Cryo Lab' version from the Berlin '81 Freidenskonziert, which then morphs into 'Specific Gravity of Smile' from _Pinnacles_, with a few additional touches here and there (if memory also serves, I seem to recall that they did some studio time in Australia while there...I need to go through my print archives again!) This keeps me in the early '80s reverie, so I'm starting to think the initial apprehension was unwarranted. Then it changes into 'Convention of the 24', and my reverie is shattered. The overdubs on this section *completeley* overwhelm the original instead of compliment it. Now I'm just waiting for 'Mojave Plan' to start. And with an awkward edit, it does. I know it won't be the concert version, so Im just listening for the overdubs-will they add or subtract from what is one of my all-time favorite songs. I loved the versions on _Tangents_, so I'm hopeful that the full track will be just as fresh as they were. Sadly, this is not the case. The treatments here are minimal (but noticeable) in the first half and nonexistent in the second half until the very end, which merely mirrors the deep drone that starts the disc. Had this been what was released as _Sohoman_, I would've been very dissapointed. Overall, the i-Box is fairly good compilation with some fairly evident flaws. Like _Antique Dreams_ , it just misses out on satisfying the listner with a *truly* definitve overview of the eras presented. But unlike _AD_, all of the unreleased gems here, as well as the unexpexted treasures, are worthy of inclusion. In fact, perhaps some of the tracks here should've been included on _AD_ in place of some of the later `80s material there. Ah, well. As long as it's available somewhere...:) goozer From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:13 am Subject: Oops! Sorry for the double post-I hit send instead of edit! From: Michael V Miller Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:36 am Subject: Reims Cathedral concert Does anybody know where I can download any sample files from the Reims Cathedral concert. I had stumbled upon two .wav files that were about a minute each and I just lost my HD and those files. I really liked the sound and wanted to keep them incase I could never get the full recordings. Thanks Mike ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'James Williams' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:05 am Subject: Millenium Booster Pack Can anyone tell me what is in the pack and whether it is worth getting at $180? I am interested in it because of The Keep. I have the 1997 release from the UK tour and the Bootleg. Is the 1999 release much different? Also what is the Secret Surprise? I have to get my order in by 30th December, so Any quick answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Merry Christmas James Williams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25495 Re: Millenium Booster Pack Rainer Rutka Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB From: 'James Williams' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW This isn't Good. I placed my order this morning J. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Totta' To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW > Lucky you, i still haven't heard anything > > Totta > > Vince LeGrand wrote: > > > I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have shipped > > the I-box to me. It's about time. :-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 6:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW I didn't want to be rude to Vince, but I guess I feel the same way, meaning that I haven't heard nothing from them as yet either. They're probably doing it by ordering date, with those who have waited the longest receiving notification first. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Totta' To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW > Lucky you, i still haven't heard anything > > Totta > > Vince LeGrand wrote: > > > I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have shipped > > the I-box to me. It's about time. :-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: KelvinAMunson@a... Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:08 am Subject: OffTopic Apologies for the off-topicness; but I am back on-line after a 5 month break, new PC, new country (UK), new email address........ seasons greetings to all, hopefully be back in contact in the new year. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Millenium Booster Pack On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, James Williams wrote: >Can anyone tell me what is in the pack and whether it is worth getting at $180? Hi! See 'www.rutka.de/td' -> Millenium booster (left side)! Rainer From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 1:02 pm Subject: Christmas Merry Christmas and for all fans many of new record Tanderine Dream Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium from Poland ------------------------------------------------------------------- PS. Nie zapomnij wyslac kartek na Swieta! http://kartki.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30781 Re: Christmas Admin Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 1:33 pm Subject: Merry Christmas Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the World. Heiko Neumann Burg Germany Please look at my new Tangerine Dream Homepage: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream In the next weeks you found on this side more and more picture`s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Christian Villaz�n Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Merry Christmas and Happy new Year Hello, Merry Christmas and Happy new Year for all Td-fans, and of course for Edgar and Jerome Froese. Sincerely chrisTian From: 'David Cotner' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:00 pm Subject: An inter view with Brian Lustmord. Hello to you. Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Brian Williams, from the archives of: http://www.hertz-lion.com I shall post it on other spaces as well. The experiment, as seen previously with the other inter views, was to give 100 modern experimental musicians the same 20 questions - to compare and contrast views on some prevailing issues within the field. 'Tips Zum Lustmord!' Brian Williams (LUSTMORD / SPK / THE MURRAY FONTANA ORCHESTRA) In what way are you your parents' child? It would seem that I'm the result of their sperm/egg. What aspects of structure does your music share with your upbringing? Define structure. Are structure and control mutually inclusive? Define control. Does structure become an aspect of the aesthetic itself when composing? Why the obsession with structure? There is no boundary. Is it possible to create a work of art existing independently of the aesthetic? Does it matter? What does the term 'power electronics' mean to you? 32' TV's, Power Tools, Macintosh computers, catering-grade toasters. Does that term refer to the power of electronics, the empowered, or a third mind? I suggest you ask the person who came up with the term. Insofar as your music goes, why do you do what you do? Because it is what I do, I am who I am. Is chance as important as knowledge, in experimental music? Knowledge is power, stagnation is uninteresting. Repetition is mundane. Is it important, at times, not to know what you're doing, in experimental music? This question is flawed. What is your ancestry? 'Primordial Soup.' Was your heritage crucial in bringing you to where you are now with your music? Negative. Does your way of thinking about your music affect your life in general? The opposite. Should art be consumptive? Should there be art? Are you suggesting this is art? Are people who answer questions with 'yes' or 'no' stupid, or just plain lazy? After thinking carefully, I'd have to say yes and no. Does experimental music imply a separation of art and artist? Who cares? How has your music separated you from living life? Life comes first, I know my priorities. Does your music have an ending point? Eventually. Do you see your work continued after you have assumed room temperature? We're talking cold fusion here? Who do you see today carrying the tradition of experimental music into tomorrow? Only the original. Do you recommend that people listen to your music through headphones even while engaged in the commission of the sexual act? I don't necessarily recommend that they listen at all, the decision is theirs. http://www.lustmord.com Intently, David Cotner, \\\ http://www.hertz-lion.com From: hyperborea@t... Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 5:23 pm Subject: Happy Xmas! Hi! My name is Jes�s G�lvez and I am from Spain.This is the first time what I'm writing in this mail list of TD's fans.I like(very much) the first works of TD:Alpha Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but Logos,Poland and Hyperborea too! Happy Xmas for everyone! Greetings from Madrid Jes�s G�lvez Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25501 Re: Happy Xmas! odean@m... Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB 25502 comforting experience Steve Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB 25503 Re: Happy Xmas! Vic Rek Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB 27531 Re: Joe Shoults Thu 7/5/2001 3 KB 27532 Re: ampmusic Thu 7/5/2001 4 KB 27533 Re: PERGAMON Thu 7/5/2001 3 KB 27534 Re: tom george Thu 7/5/2001 4 KB 27535 Re: ampmusic Thu 7/5/2001 2 KB 27537 Re: Paul Lawler Thu 7/5/2001 3 KB From: odean@m... Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Xmas! At 06:23 PM 12/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi! >My name is Jes�s G�lvez and I am from Spain.This is the first time what >I'm writing in this mail list of TD's fans.I like(very much) the first >works of TD:Alpha Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but >Logos,Poland and Hyperborea too! >Happy Xmas for everyone! >Greetings from Madrid >Jes�s G�lvez Hello Jesus, welcome to the list!!! If you like TD, you've come to the ri.......uh, Welcome to the list anyway. :-) Happy Holidays, Oscar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25502 comforting experience Steve Sat 12/23/2000 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:07 pm Subject: comforting experience Earlier this week I had to spend a night in hospital due to a chest infection. I had a lousy night and was slowly waking up at about nine when I heard music I recognised: someone in a room nearby was listening to Tangram :) Since I was discharged later the same day I didn't have time to find out who it was. Steve http://www.beartrap.btinternet.co.uk/ http://www.btinternet.com/~rotties_r_us/ From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Xmas! Hello Jesus, Welcome to the list. >[...] I like(very much) the first works of TD:Alpha Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but Logos,Poland and Hyperborea too! Interesting selection of favorites. This is what I like too, but I have to include Rubycon, Ricochet, et. al. > Happy Xmas for everyone! > Greetings from Madrid > Jes�s G�lvez Merry Christmas to you too! Vic NP: Birmingham, 1975 From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 12:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] i-Box review Thank you Goozer for an absolutely wonderful review. I had been waiting for a complete, in-depth review and you did not disappoint. Have a great holiday. Neal From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:17 am Subject: Russian Anthology CD-ROM Hello Guys, If I missed this discussion, I apologize, but does anyone have any info on this CD-ROM? Is it worth it for me to try to get it for my collection. I suppose my few and far between $$$ could be used to get other TD, EF, or JS releases? Thanks guys. Neal --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Season's Greetings I'd just like to take this opportunity of wishing everyone on the List the compliments of the season and happy TD listening -- whether to I-boxes or simply to the many marvellous hours of music the band has given us over the years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25507 Re: Season's Greetings Frank Arellano Sun 12/24/2000 2 KB 25509 Season's Greetings Gary Jenkins Sun 12/24/2000 2 KB 37948 Season's Greetings billythefish01 billythefish01 Sun 12/22/2002 2 KB 37962 Re: Season's Greetings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/25/2002 4 KB 37952 Season's Greetings Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Mon 12/23/2002 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 10:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Season's Greetings Thanks John for the well wishes and the same to you! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 7:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Season's Greetings > I'd just like to take this opportunity of wishing everyone on the List the compliments of the season and happy TD listening -- whether to I-boxes or simply to the many marvellous hours of music the band has given us over the years. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Jes�s G�lvez Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 9:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 743 Hello Vic and everyone!! >Hello Jesus, >Welcome to the list. Thanks for yours welcomes! >>[...] I like(very much) the first works of TD:Alpha Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but Logos,Poland and Hyperborea too! >Interesting selection of favorites. This is what I like too, but I have to include Rubycon, Ricochet, et. al. Ohh...Rubycon was my first work of TD,excelent,together with Optical Race...Traumatic... Yes,those works,until Alpha Centauri to Le Parc(1971-1985),are,for my opinion,the TD�s gold stage.After,with the entry of Hasinger,the exit of Franke and,the entry (Horror!!) of Jerome,the band was from bad to worse.Is a different music,more cool in my opinion.I hate Dream Mixes...ARGGG...but '7 letters...' is more drinkable :)) Greetings and happy Xmas! Jes�s from Hyperborea hyperborea@t... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 5:39 pm Subject: Season's Greetings Merry Christmas and A prosperous New Year to all on this list,just spent my first year on here it has been very interesting reading the opinions from fans from around the world,looking forward to 2001 and hopefully seeing TD live in London. Cheers and best wishes to all of you. Gary. From: herold.u@t... Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 6:27 pm Subject: X-MAS Merry Christmas and a 'tangenized' Happy New Year to all TD-Fans on the list and around the world. Uwe Herold Hof Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 7:20 pm Subject: Merry Christmas Merry Christmas everyone, and a happy new year! Totta From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: Hello folks... remember me??? Hi gang, Just had time to post this to the TD guestbook now: Merry Christmas everyone... I have been busy buying a house and starting studies again (M A in Interactive Multimedia) so apologies for my absence here and on the TDI list. Hopefully I can share some experiences I had at Jerome's recent Berlin gig in the near future with you all! Have to go home for a while first though!!! Nollaig Shona (Happy Christmas) as we say in Ireland, Conrad PS I will talk to you all in 2001!!!!!! From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 9:40 pm Subject: x-mas To one and all on this list - Merry Christmas, I read with great interest each post, don't agree with a lot of then, but do discover new ways to listen to TD. Each new mailing gives me pause for thought of this great band and its music. Hope next year brings new music and insights to all of us. Stay safe and warm Regards, DPH From: KelvinAMunson@a... Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 9:20 am Subject: Xmas Greets Hi, Seasons Greetings to all, I'm back on line at last, after 5 months with a dead PC, and I'm also back in UK. Look forward to geting back in contact with old friends in the New Year, Kelvin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25544 Re: Xmas Greets David Foster Sun 12/31/2000 3 KB 25546 Re: Xmas Greets Frank Arellano Sun 12/31/2000 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:19 pm Subject: Test - don't bother Well, merry x-mas now that you read it anyway :o) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:55 pm Subject: Holiday greetings Hey everyone, here's to wishing you a happy Christmas Chanukah Ramadan Kwanzaa etc. and a happy (common) new year! (there, was that all-emcompassing and politically correct enough?) Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tomx01@w... Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 1:38 pm Subject: I Box Review I have just posted a review to Amazon.com, who got me the I-box in time for Christmas. In short, its a good buy if you dont have Tangents or Dream roots as most of the Virgin and Pre-Virgin tracks are the tangentised versions. The last disk is exactly like Sohoman, in that it sounds more like a studio recreation of the concert set, in fact Mojave Plan in only very sliightly tangentised at the beggining which is a bit of a dissapointment. The 'live' tracks from the Private Music years are probably not live, if they are, it doesn't matter as they sound identical except for Marakesh which is a slightly different mix. The bonus tracks are sparse but very good, especially Longing For Cashba which sounds like a Melrose tour encore (a bit like Melrose Beach) and Polish Dance. Also the 'live: version of Warsaw in the Sun seems to be the 12' single version which is very nice. I guess at 32 bucks its an ok deal but its not earth shattering. Since I don't have Tangents, it's a better deal for me. Top 5 Tangerine Dream possible fakes 5: Sohoman (But I like it anyway) 4: I - Box 6th Disc (Edgar seemed to get bored after the first few minutes of Mojave Plan and just let the master copy over) 3: Livemiles - Live my ass, but still my favortire TD CD of all time. 2: Ricochet tv broadcast of live performance - for some reason they considered it better to just dub the album version over the video footage. 1: Tournado - Ok, so its technically live, but for all Ed and Jerome did on the night they may as well have stayed in the bar all night and let Steinberg do it's stuff. The above opinions are exactly that and not neccersarly based on fact. All rights reserved. Please allow 28 days for delivery. Your statutory rights are not affected. Your home is at risk with any loan or mortgage secured on it. Tom (Melrose) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25519 Re: I Box Review Sean Montgomery Wed 12/27/2000 2 KB 25526 Re: I Box Review Hermes Guzman Thu 12/28/2000 3 KB 25527 Re: I Box Review tomx01@w... Thu 12/28/2000 2 KB 25529 Re: I Box Review Sean Montgomery Thu 12/28/2000 3 KB From: tweibre361@a... Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:16 pm Subject: Re: On those tepid LG 12'... what sounds better: 33 or 45? just curious, tom w np: U2 @ Irving Plaza last week (shit) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25521 Re: On those tepid LG 12'... Feldon Feldon Thu 12/28/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box Review I thank the folks who have posted reviews of the I-Box, but TDI won't be happy to hear the reason why. Like many of us on the list, I ordered a copy of the set from CD Universe back in November, only to have it go on backorder. Two weeks after its official release date, I was still waiting for it to be shipped. Well, after hearing about exactly what we're getting in the I-Box, I decided to cancel my order. Yes, the price is reasonable, but I'm still not about to shell out 35 bucks for one or two unreleased songs. As I've argued before, this just encourages the band to keep doing the same thing. I have to wonder if the reason that TDI provides such scanty information about new releases on their website if that they're afraid people wouldn't order them? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25526 Re: I Box Review Hermes Guzman Thu 12/28/2000 3 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 12:54 am Subject: Millenium Booster TD's Website was updated today. I just want to point out the following to any fans that still want to get The Keep and the Sony Topping Out Ceremony CD. * Last 'Millenium Booster' order will be taken on Dec. 30 2000 * Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25522 Re: Millenium Booster Neal Frost Thu 12/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: On those tepid LG 12'... 45 of course. the pickup (and recording stylus) passes over more space in the same period of time, allowing for more detail to be stored on the record in the same space of time. Morgan >From: tweibre361@a... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: On those tepid LG 12'... >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:16:29 EST > >what sounds better: 33 or 45? > >just curious, > >tom w > >np: U2 @ Irving Plaza last week (shit) > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 3:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Millenium Booster > TD's Website was updated today. > > I just want to point out the following to any fans that still want to > get The Keep and the Sony Topping Out Ceremony CD. > > * Last 'Millenium Booster' order will be taken on Dec. 30 2000 * I want to get both of these releases.....But $180.00 for 2 CDs? (I have the Great Wall of China CD, and am not interested in a t-shirt). I guess it is just a case of poor us, those of us with families to support. Neal --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:36 am Subject: I-box from CDnow I saw the I-box in tower records in San Francisco at Columbus and Bay for $52+tax. I was tempted to grab it, since I had placed my order with CDNow on 12/12 and rcvd the backorder notice, but.... My I-box arrived Saturday from CDNOW. I ordered it for US$32.88-$10 (thanks for the coupon)=$22.88 + tax + UPS ground shipping. It was sent 12/22 FED EX priority overnight with Saturday arrival and arrived 12/23. Kudos to CDNow for the shipping upgrade and the cheap price. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25541 Re: I-box from CDnow James Williams Sun 12/31/2000 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 5:29 am Subject: 2001 Booster But it's a copy of THE KEEP! just got paid this Tuesday..... Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'Andreas Hedler' Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 11:16 am Subject: Johannes Schmoelling: New CD & new URL!!! Dear fans and friend! JOHANNES SCHMOELLING has just released his new CD 'White Out (edition 2000)' on his new launched label VIKTORIAPARK! Please check our website at its new URL http://www.johannesschmoelling.de for details how to order your own copy of WHITE OUT. We wish you a very happy new year! Johannes Schmoelling Andreas Hedler (webmaster of The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25582 Re: Johannes Schmoelling: New CD & new URL!!! Vic Rek Sat 1/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:47 pm Subject: Re: I Box Review --- In tadream@egroups.com, Sean Montgomery wrote: > I thank the folks who have posted reviews of the I-Box, but TDI > won't be happy to hear the reason why. Like many of us on the > list, I ordered a copy of the set from CD Universe back in > November, only to have it go on backorder. Two weeks after its > official release date, I was still waiting for it to be shipped. > Well, after hearing about exactly what we're getting in the I-Box, > I decided to cancel my order. Yes, the price is reasonable, but > I'm still not about to shell out 35 bucks for one or two unreleased > songs. As I've argued before, this just encourages the band to > keep doing the same thing. > > I have to wonder if the reason that TDI provides such scanty > information about new releases on their website if that they're > afraid people wouldn't order them? Well, Sean, I think you're being more than a little unfair here. If you look again at the contents as listed in my review, you'll find 7 totally unreleased tracks ('Longing for Cashba', 'Ivory Town', 'Unicorn Saga', 'Storm Seekers', 'Akash Deep', 'Cool Shibuya', 'Iguana' TT-34:24) plus 5 surprises ('Warsaw in the Sun' 12' version, 'Marakesh' demo, 'Cat Scan' demo, 'Exit Live' a.k.a. 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' and 'Red Velvet Rooster' pt.1 a.k.a. 'Snake Bath Source' TT-30:57), so that's a total of 12 tracks clocking in at 65:21 (well...13 tracks at 74:58 if you include the 'Cryo Lab'/ 'Specific Gravity of Smile' part from 'Red Velvet Rooster'.) To use an appropriate analogy, how many import CDs have you ordered with a similar content (13 tracks/74 mins.) for roughly the same price? I know i have numerous times! And it was usually just to get *1* bonus track! Add the booklet and the equivalent of 5 bonus compilation CDs...now how much would you have had to pay? :) Now, if you were cancelling due to the nature of the *music itself*, that would be different. And for some of you who rail against TDI 'business practices', perhaps a little more honest? goozer From: tomx01@w... Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: I Box Review Thankyou Hermes, I've been torturing myself for hours as to where I've heard that drippy droppy sequence at the beggining of Red Velvet Rooster, I went through every TD release in my mind and didn't even consider Froese solo stuff. i also agree, I think the I-Box is a good deal, it's just not as good a deal as it is perhaps made out to be. Tom (Melrose) n.p. Longing for Cashba (Killer track!) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 10:00 pm Subject: The next discussions Hey folks, I know the holidays are consuming people's time. I was wondering if the Solo vs. Bootleg debate had been decided for the next string of discussions. Of course I'm a fan of concert recordings but the solo efforts of Edgar and co. are worth discussion too. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 10:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: I Box Review Hermes Guzman wrote: > Well, Sean, I think you're being more than a little unfair here. Perhaps.... And I know there are more than 'two or three' unreleased tracks on the I-Box. I just meant that only a couple of them sound really good. I find that to be irritating. So I decided to save my money for the time being. > To use an appropriate analogy, how many import CDs have you ordered > with a similar content (13 tracks/74 mins.) for roughly the same > price? I refuse to pay obscene prices for import CDs (I don't collect CDs by obscure european e-music artists). The one time I allowed myself to get raped like that was when I ordered Transsiberia and the Hollywood Years collections from Voiceprint. I bought those albums just because that were by TD, and I found all three to be relentlessly mediocre. That event marked the beginning of my beef with TDI. > Now, if you were cancelling due to the nature of the *music itself*, > that would be different. Actually, in the end, that *is* why I cancelled. I suppose you can blame Napster for this, but I no longer want to drop 30 or 40 bucks on music that I will hardly listen to - or that I already have! And that, I fear, is what would happen with the I-Box. I reached a point a couple of years ago when I decided that I did not have to have *everything* that TD produced. I just wasn't listening to much of it. I guess I'm just not a hardcore fan of the band anymore, and I know I do more complaining than praising on this list. I guess I continue to hold out hope that Dream Mixes 3 will be kick-ass. If it's not, I may find myself unsubscribing. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Scott' Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 2:22 pm Subject: US Tour? I checked TD's web site, but no mention of a possible tour. They don't even have a regular 'news' area anymore, just an area for TDI news. What gives? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25531 Re: US Tour? Scribe1964@a... Fri 12/29/2000 2 KB From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] US Tour? Where did you hear about a US tour? If they're coming, I'll be there! --Ric > I checked TD's web site, but no mention of a possible tour. They don't even > have a regular 'news' area anymore, just an area for TDI news. What gives? > > Scott From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 11:57 am Subject: Happy new Year Hi all, A HAPPY NEW YEAR all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world. Dream on Heiko Neumann Markt 13 39288 Burg Germany www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:14 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Happy new Year And a happy new year to you too, Heiko Best wishes and hope to see some new GREAT TD releases next year :o) Poul > Hi all, > > A HAPPY NEW YEAR > > all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world. > > Dream on > > Heiko Neumann > Markt 13 > 39288 Burg > Germany > www.opticaldream.de/dream > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: really interesting ;-) homepage update Hi all, before/while/after you hopefully will have a lot of fun in the last night of the year, it might be worth to visit my homepage. http://www.caby.de/Music Just some of the updates done: Lists: new swaplist.txt and newstuff.txt Links: updated and verified all the links on my links page, added a good 12 new ones. I found the pages of Morten Moen, Jens Peschke, Francisco Salgado and Glyn Morton to be gone. If anyone knows their new URLs, please let me know. Also, if you run a TD-related page not yet linked from mine, please let me know about it. Rarity: my infamous 'TD related rarity of the month' is now moved to it's own page. This time it's a real gem: the edited version of Desert Train from the ultra-rare CD promo single. http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity Auction: on the same page, you'll find auctions of rarities from my lists. This time (open till Jan. 8) it's the Klem CD 2, the Korg promo CD, the Oasis video, Electronic Orgy and, lo and behold, a copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Screw ebay's fees! No whining if you pass this opportunity ;-) have fun, cheers, klaus From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:27 pm Subject: Happy New Year Happy New Year everyone. I hope the band tours and that we all get to see them, wherever we are on the globe. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:58 pm Subject: US TOUR - I'm THERE Hey there all. If there EVER IS mention of a US TOUR, I'd hope and pray that it'd be mentioned here as well as obviously on the official site (myself included, found no mention whatsoever), AND I'd asked in the past, and was told that the last time they'd toured in the US was somewhere around 92, so it's been awhile? JUST curious if TD was to play live gigs here, what size venue would they play/perform in? I have NO CLUE as to what type of fan base they have in the US at all, so wasn't sure if they could do large venues, or smaller theatres, or what they'd WANT to do? dan Kayleighs Homepage - http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com ChristianRockMusicPage - http://christianrock.musicpage.com CrackASmile - Poison Mailing List ONLINE - http://crackasmile.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), ICQ (1247205) From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: [tadream] Happy New Year On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the glasses of Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the colars of Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs, flowers - esp. lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides, thieving eagles and goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the Tyrrany of 2001... Happy N.Y.! Kind Regards, Rimuckas Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25539 Re: Happy New Year PENFOLD Sun 12/31/2000 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 9:58 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Happy New Year Good one :o) And we'll be watching the great wall of china from the polars of mars :o) Cheers and happy new year Poul > On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the glasses of Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the colars of Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs, flowers - esp. lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides, thieving eagles and goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the Tyrrany of 2001... > Happy N.Y.! > > Kind Regards, Rimuckas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25540 Sv: [tadream] Happy New Year Poul Erik Sun 12/31/2000 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy New Year At 0012.30-12:29, Rimas Lazutka wrote: > On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the > glasses of Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the > colars of Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs, > flowers - esp. lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides, > thieving eagles and goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the > Tyrrany of 2001... This is getting TD-ious Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 9:24 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Happy New Year Now, now lads ! Let's not get carried away here and let things get off at all Tangents. Let's have an encore and hope it's not hyperbori(a)ng :o) Poul - this is getting rather funny - :o) > At 0012.30-12:29, Rimas Lazutka wrote: > > On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the > > glasses of Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the > > colars of Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs, > > flowers - esp. lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides, > > thieving eagles and goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the > > Tyrrany of 2001... > > > This is getting TD-ious > > > > Pete Isaacson > mailto:penfold@a... > aka PENFOLD > aka DJ DreamHead > Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have > the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'James Williams' Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 11:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I-box from CDnow I ordered mine from CDnow on the 12/22 (though i missed the $10 coupon). Including UPS delivery to the UK it was 12GBP cheaper than it is over here. It was dispatched on 12/26 and arrived in the UK at my door on 12/28 with a bill for 17GBP from Customs & Excise for import duty. Great. It has now cost me 6GBP more than it would have been to get it here. James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 7:36 AM Subject: [tadream] I-box from CDnow > I saw the I-box in tower records in San Francisco at Columbus and Bay for > $52+tax. I was tempted to grab it, since I had placed my order with CDNow > on 12/12 and rcvd the backorder notice, but.... > > My I-box arrived Saturday from CDNOW. I ordered it for US$32.88-$10 > (thanks for the coupon)=$22.88 + tax + UPS ground shipping. It was sent > 12/22 > FED EX priority overnight with Saturday arrival and arrived 12/23. > > Kudos to CDNow for the shipping upgrade and the cheap price. > > > > --teiwaz > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: horrod6 Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 12:24 pm Subject: Happy New Year Just a quick note to wish you all a happy New Year, and all the best in the _real_ new millenium. (OK, so I'm a pedant - I won't deny it!) LnH Marion From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:33 pm Subject: KS's Dig It 'lyrics' Hello everyone, does anyone know what is said in KS's Dig It first track, Death Of An Analogue? All I can understand is 'it's all dig-i-tal, it's all right' and maybe some other things. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Xmas Greets Welcome back to the land of the living PC. I know how you feel. Mine went dead for a week from 22 12 00. Very frustrating when trying to keep in touch with family in the US. Got my connectors fixed. I kept thinking of all those messages from the lists I would receive when back on line. Just another 300 to read! Happy New Year. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: [tadream] Xmas Greets > Hi, > > Seasons Greetings to all, I'm back on line at last, after 5 months with a > dead PC, and I'm also back in UK. > > Look forward to geting back in contact with old friends in the New Year, > Kelvin > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 6:44 pm Subject: off topic - Poland Can anyone in Poland tell me if the address I am trying to contact is correct. I am trying to contact a friend at an educational institution. I have @ak.poznan.pl and it bounces back. Does anyone know if the address is correct? Sorry for the off topic. Thanks for any replies. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25550 Re: off topic - Poland Piotr Sulkowski II Tue 1/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Xmas Greets Make it 301, David 8-) Best wishes to everyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Xmas Greets > Welcome back to the land of the living PC. I know how you feel. Mine > went dead for a week from 22 12 00. Very frustrating when trying to keep > in touch with family in the US. > > Got my connectors fixed. I kept thinking of all those messages from the > lists I would receive when back on line. Just another 300 to read! > Happy New Year. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 9:20 AM > Subject: [tadream] Xmas Greets > > > > Hi, > > > > Seasons Greetings to all, I'm back on line at last, after 5 months with a > > dead PC, and I'm also back in UK. > > > > Look forward to geting back in contact with old friends in the New Year, > > Kelvin > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jan 1, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: new music Hello everyone, There's new music available at http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br . Notice the address change. It's three more 2:48, 1.25 Mb samples from the now finished first disc of Space Adventure. All I ask is feedback from those who hear them. Enjoy! Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:33 am Subject: Happy New Year! Happy new year! May the next year bring you abundant and overflowing blessings! Todd and Julie Tornow and Family P.S.: Is this the year that they find that rectangular black thingy on the moon and they send a manned mission to Jupiter? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Jan 1, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Message to all regarding the CDR project Hi Everyone Hope you all recovered from the New Year (Millennium) festivities. I received an email from Yannick Edom regarding the CDR project. I suspect that all of those musicians involved will get an email as soon as the project is ready for release. Enjoy: The project is called 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' Here are the final track list : - opening (atmospheric track by Darklion with samples of each track from the project) - Nightbirds 'Morning Weather' (live Cap d'Agde - France) - Brian Frick 'Sequential' - Dave Brewer 'December Afternoon' - Free System Project 'Faraday' - Darklion 'Desert Line' (dreamlist part) - Dream Conspiracy 'Dysfunction' (excerpt) - Doktor Strange 'Red Ants Love Migration Freq' - Dweller at the Threshold 'World without End' - Ephemeris 'Astronautilus' - Fred Yargui 'Sirius Suite' - Gustavo Jobim 'Morsecode (excerpt) - Ionic 'From Gulf to Gulf' - Jeff Bergman 'An Intense and Intimate Journey into Yourn Mind' - John Gentile 'Liquid Quarts' - Nemesis 'Moontrigger' - Olivier Briand 'Transparences' - Olyam 'Asterope I' - Richard Ford 'Another Day' - Satsuma Nightmare 'Grating Lobes' - Two are One 'Love of Life' - Darklion & Olyam 'Bubble Bells' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- Here are the credits The Dreamwatchers' Tales Original Idea : Joel Mullen Project Management : Yannick Edom Management Assistants : Oc�ane and Marine Brenan Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion All Artworks : Yannick Edom Visual Concept and Sleeve Design : Darklion Inner sleeve texts by Darklion, Oc�ane Brenan and Marine Brenan Mastering, Processing and Cover Design at Studio Mirage Cr�ations - Toulouse France Mirage Cr�ations Yannick Edom Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 Toulouse France e-mails : darklion@h... or yannick.edom@s... This Project is produced by the Tadream Mailing List members and distributed as a tree system by Joe Shoults and Tom Richmond. P 2001 TML Music C 2001 Mirage Cr�ations Many Thanks to Joel Mullen, Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Oc�ane and Marine Brenan, Yannick Edom, every musicians of this project (without them there is no CD) and all friends from tadream@egroups.com tangerinedream@egroups.com and goblinsclub@egroups.com Very special thanks to Tangerine Dream (all line-ups) for the fabulous music from 1967 'till now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- here is the intriduction text included in the booklet >From Dream to Reality After a few years of existence, it appears that the tadream (and tangerinedream) list contains some musicians. So Joel Mullen, who manages one of these lists, naturally proposed to create a CDR containing music by the list members. As he couldn't managed the project, I decided to continue the adventure. More a musicians gathering than a Tangerine Dream tribute, the project is now a reality as a lot of members spontaneously answered for their contribution. You will discover the hidden gifts of these musicians who can express their musical feelings through their works. Whatever the influence, music is the inner crying of the heart. Enjoy Darklion -- Richard Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25619 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Matthew Stringer Tue 1/9/2001 2 KB 25622 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Richard Tue 1/9/2001 3 KB 25625 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Matthew Stringer Wed 1/10/2001 3 KB 25623 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Joe Shoults Tue 1/9/2001 3 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Tue Jan 2, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic - Poland Hi David, Taste @ac.poznan.pl Piotr S. Millennium > Can anyone in Poland tell me if the address I am trying to contact is correct. I am trying to contact a friend at an educational institution. I have @ak.poznan.pl and it bounces back. Does anyone know if the address is correct? > > Sorry for the off topic. Thanks for any replies. > > David -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A----------------------- Zwyciezcy i przegrani, nadzieje, sukcesy, porazki i kiksy. INTERIA.PL prezentuje Pierwszy Internetowy Plebiscyt Sportowy Zaglosuj i wygraj! http://sport.interia.pl/id/stat/plebiscyt From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 10:44 am Subject: rarities auction Oooops... almost 100 visitors and not a single bid on my auction at http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity Please, be so kind and let me know what I'm doing wrong, so that I can make you a better offer on the next run. There is a feedback link on the page now. Thanks a lot ! Possible reasons I can think of would be: not interested in buying rarities at all ? not interested in the items offered ? don't like the auction rules or the fact that this is not ebay ? minimum bids too high ? As in incentive to re-visit the page I have lowered all the minimum bids ! cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25602 Re: rarities auction jon werner Sun 1/7/2001 4 KB 25609 Re: rarities auction Joe Shoults Mon 1/8/2001 3 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Jan 2, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: New e-mail address Hello everybody! I'm finally back from my Yahoo! isolation - with a new e-mail address. After the past few weeks of having to endure an eternity in opening up my e-mail at home, I've now had to resort to getting an e-mail address from a Polish server. My e-mail address is: gmroger@p... What goodies have I missed? Is TD touring? Are they planning any European concerts - UK, Poland maybe? Hopefully in a week or two I can get back to the attention of the Eddie & Jerry top ten, including about three more charts I've received through my last e-mail address (which I will attempt to access this weekend). I hope everyone had a great Christmas and a happy new year. Oh - and the wife didn't buy me any CD's of any description, let alone stuff by TD. (She did buy me a nice camera, though.) Incidentally, for any Polish fans in Krak�w - there is a CD shop on Ulica Szpitalna (just off the Rynek) called 'Rock-Serwis'. Amongst others, it appears to stock all the TDI releases up to and including 'Seven Letters From Tibet', so if you're struggling to get hold of current TD CD's, it's a good place to try. Well, I'm back on the radio next week. I haven't heard the latest regards the Real Player upgrade yet (sorry, Richard)... Regards Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25561 Re: New e-mail address Richard Thu 1/4/2001 2 KB From: 'kayleigh' Date: Tue Jan 2, 2001 3:57 am Subject: IcQ Hey there all. SORRY for the bulk mails, but since I only use ICQ for a few select people, and everyone else is on AOL IM, for those of you that DO send me IcQ notes regularly, please e-mail me off the lists, and send me your IcQ information again. I've had to re-install IcQ, and typically when that happens, everything is lost, so thanks for understanding. love and all those warm fuzzies and sending me IcQ numbers. I don't have any of them, AND this time gonna actually write them DOWN! dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:25 pm Subject: Change of e-mail address Just to let you know that my patience finally ran out with Yahoo! and I now have a new e-mail address: gmroger@p... Now, I'm still trying to get hold of the last ten or so digests - starting with everone's first reports of the 'electrobeats' show. I notice there was talk of a possible tour in the US... What about the UK? or even here in Poland? Regards Roger Hartopp (Maybe some kind soul could send me those missing digests? Even opening up 'egroups' is as equally difficult as 'Yahoo'...) -- From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night I'm just listening to a rather bad sounding CDR version of Peter Baumann's 'Strangers in the night' album from 1983 whis was obviously from vinyl source (especially 'Be mine' sounds horrible) Question: has 'Strangers in the night' ever been released as an official CD version? Or is there anyone on the list who has a spare vinyl copy for me or who would sell it to me? Please contact me off-list... (I would also be veeery interested in obtaining an original CD copy of 'Trans harmonic nights' ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25556 Re: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night Bill Frederick Wed 1/3/2001 2 KB 25559 Re: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night Phil Wingfield Wed 1/3/2001 2 KB 25572 Re: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night tom george Fri 1/5/2001 2 KB From: Bill Frederick Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 4:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night I'm just listening to a rather bad sounding CDR version of Peter Baumann's 'Strangers in the night' album from 1983 whis was obviously from vinyl source (especially 'Be mine' sounds horrible) Question: has 'Strangers in the night' ever been released as an official CD version? Or is there anyone on the list who has a spare vinyl copy for me or who would sell it to me? Please contact me off-list... (I would also be veeery interested in obtaining an original CD copy of 'Trans harmonic nights' ;-) Heiko Sorry for riding another's coattails, but I have been looking for copies of Romance 76 and Edgar's Ypsilon In Malaysian Pale on cd for ages now. Can anyone help?! Please. b2 From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 9:18 pm Subject: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht Hello all German speakers, could you tell what the track names from KS's Irrlicht mean? For those who have forgotten, the names are: Satz Ebene Satz Gewintter Satz Exil Sils Maria Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25563 Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht peter.stoeferle@t... Thu 1/4/2001 3 KB 25564 Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht AirWave Thu 1/4/2001 3 KB 25576 Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht Airwave Sat 1/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Epsilon in Malaysian pale. If you are in the UK, Adrians records in Wickford, Essex had a copy last time I was there about 6 months ago. Didn't see Romance 76 but they also had Aqua. ========= Sorry for riding another's coattails, but I have been looking for copies of Romance 76 and Edgar's Ypsilon In Malaysian Pale on cd for ages now. Can anyone help?! Please. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25560 Re: Epsilon in Malaysian pale. Bill Frederick Wed 1/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night Sorry to say but that album was shite. You can have my vinyl copy. Send me your address and keep on me as it is in the loft and I have to remember to go up and get it. Phil. From: Bill Frederick Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian pale. If you are in the UK, Adrians records in Wickford, Essex had a copy last time I was there about 6 months ago. Didn't see Romance 76 but they also had Aqua. ========= Thanks for the help, but I'm a Yank. Anyone in the USA want to part with Romance 76? Thanks for the help everybody. b2 From: Richard Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New e-mail address >Well, I'm back on the radio next week. I haven't heard the latest >regards the Real Player upgrade yet (sorry, Richard)... Glad to see you back. I can only hope the Real Player situation is resolved soon. All the best -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: TD guestbook I tried to surf onto the TD guestbook site but it didn't work ('Server Error') Come on you nasty people, did you say something mean again? ;-)) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25565 Re: TD guestbook Gary Jenkins Thu 1/4/2001 2 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:36 pm Subject: Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht > From: Gustavo Jobim > Subject: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht > > Hello all German speakers, > > could you tell what the track names from KS's Irrlicht mean? > > For those who have forgotten, the names are: > > Satz Ebene > Satz Gewintter > Satz Exil Sils Maria 'Satz' means 'set' (of a classical composition) Ebene: plainland Gewitter: thunderstorm Exil Sils Maria: Exil: normally a place abroad to flee to, here: a quiet place to find rest Sils Maria: a hidden, but famous place in the Swiss mountains where people like the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche (aha! another KS track...!!!) found peace for their minds (and still do so today) Greetings, Peter np: KS 'Ballett 3 - My Ty She' from the 'Contemporay' box From: AirWave Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 1:27 pm Subject: RE: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht Gustavo wrote : > could you tell what the track names from KS's Irrlicht mean? Irrlicht means Will-o'-the-wisp > For those who have forgotten, the names are: For the titles below 'Satz' means 'Movement' as in 1st Movement, 2nd Movement etc. in musical terms. > Satz Ebene Ebene can mean different things. Plain (as a plain), area, level (as negotiations on highest level). Translation therefore is difficult. My guess would be Movement : Plain. > Satz Gewintter Satz: Gewitter / Energy Rise - Energy Collapse That's the full title. Movement : Storm / Energy Rise - Energy Collapse > Satz Exil Sils Maria If I remember my Latin correctly this means Movement : Exile Without Maria As for your earlier question on the lyrics on Death Of An Analogue (album Dig It) here's what KS / KDM has to say about it. The lyrics are not important. It was the sound of the vocoder that KS wanted. Not any message put in words. There are no printed 'lyrics' for the track, and copyright-wise the track only contains 'vocalise' (= a wordless vocal exercise, sung to one or more vowels). One fan has listened very carefully and come up with the few words that are understandable. Many more words are said before and after, but those are neighter remembered or understandable. ...the song ...the sound.... Analogue is dead Digital is an automat One bit for you One byte for me * ...what is like... ...it's alright * 'One byte' is a pun. KS also means : 'One bite...'. =========================================== \\ //\\ // AirWave Music \\ //==\\ // airwave@a... � \\// \\// http: (working on it) =========================================== From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: TD guestbook --- In tadream@egroups.com, Heiko Heerssen HI Heiko seems to be working ok at the moment I have noticed in recent weeks all messages have been kind to TD for once. Cheers Gary. wrote: > I tried to surf onto the TD guestbook site but it didn't work ('Server > Error') > Come on you nasty people, did you say something mean again? ;-)) > > Heiko From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats What bands do you get who play in Utah? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Bennett Cookson To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-) > > You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started. > I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in > 'London, New York, or wherever' > How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York... > > --Bennett > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Dante's trilogy I noticed in some old post a reference to Dante's trilogy. I might have been asleep. What is that about? Thanks in advance for telling me. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: change of e mail address Hi, Please be advised that my old e mail address of Nick.Adams@e... has ceased to exist, my new e mail address nicad@n... is effective immediately. Apologies if you get this message more than once. Regards Nick From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats Well, I got to see Yanni there. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > What bands do you get who play in Utah? > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bennett Cookson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > > > > > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-) > > > > You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started. > > I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in > > 'London, New York, or wherever' > > How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York... > > > > --Bennett > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: re: What bands do you get who play in Utah? >What bands do you get who play in Utah? two years ago in salt lake city I know that phish played live the entire pink floyd dark side of the moon album. --teiwaz np TD 23.10.75 Croydon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: New E-mail Address Hi All, My ar402004@b... e-mail account will expire soon, so please send e-mails to me at scfeldman@j... from now on. Thank you. MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night heiko, i have a spare mint vinyl copy. maybe you will find one in Germany. if not, let me know. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 9:53 pm Subject: Oh god, it's slow in another way... Hmmm, it seems any messages I write through my new server takes a few hours to get there. Therefore, my news about the programme line-up on 'Astral Voyager' is going to appear after the show goes on well. Might be just as well. I'm not on form today... Roger Hartopp (writing through egroups on the Radio Rak computer) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25575 Re: Oh god, it's slow in another way... Richard Fri 1/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: [tadream] Berlin Maybe OT, maybe not: I visited Bear City last week, Berlin that is, and we started off by taking a walk through Tiergarten and ended up at Brandenburger Tor, then Bahnhof Tiergarten, (Exit-cd pic in the folder; three guys in the freezing cold.) I just wanted to visit more or less TD-influenced places y�know! Also I saw Sony Center which was just awesome, real heavy architechture! Futuristic! Then via Potsdamer Platz to K�thener Strasse 38. So what�s so special with K�thener Strasse 38? Well on the 4:th floor you have a sign that says: Hansa Tonstudios Berlin. Yeah! Force Majeur was recorded here as you all know and the mixing of Tangram, Hansa Studio or The Legend Lives On...for me it was a nice experience just to take the elevator knowing that TD, Bowie and many more probably have done the same short trip to the 4:th floor! :-) Btw at a giant record store: World of Music I asked a young lady *s* if they had any records by Johannes Schmoelling. 'Johannes who?' She replied and looked like a human question mark. 'Can you spell the last name again, please?' So I did....and then she asked me what kind of music it was, I mentioned Tangerine Dream, and then she looked like an even bigger question mark.....'Tangerine what?' Man, this was Berlin...and I just mumbled to her, 'ok I�ll check in the 'Instrumental New Age' shelf' (I hate that cathegory) but no Johannes, I took a look at the I-box, but I don�t need to hear everything one more time, endless repetitons...so I walked out and took a stroll to the former Palast Der Republik and imagined all the people standing in line for the White Clothes Event! Although thinking to myself that TD must live a quiet anonymous life in Berlin. ---------- Just some reflections from a very cold and snowy Berlin. np: Pergamon, Tangram, Force Majeur and Poland. (just where I always seem to end up!) Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Oh god, it's slow in another way... In message <935fou+enup@e...>, Roger Hartopp writes >Hmmm, it seems any messages I write through my new server takes a few >hours to get there. Therefore, my news about the programme line-up >on 'Astral Voyager' is going to appear after the show goes on well. > >Might be just as well. I'm not on form today... > >Roger Hartopp (writing through egroups on the Radio Rak computer) > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > I tried to log on again, with no luck -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Airwave Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 1:07 am Subject: Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht Peter Stoeferle wrote: > Exil Sils Maria: Exil: normally a place abroad to flee to, > here: a quiet place to find rest > Sils Maria: a hidden, but famous place in the Swiss Yes that's true. And with Schulze's facination with Nietzsche I think this is the right answer. Also I came up with this quote today: Sils Maria, 6000 Fuss �ber dem Meer und viel h�her �ber allen menschlichen Dingen F. Nietzsche, Aug 1881 Loosely translated. Sils Maria, 6000 feet above the sea and far above all human things. AirWave. From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers Yeee Haaa Strings and lets not forget.... Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet and that's just this months entertainment :) -- On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:24:15 David Foster wrote: >What bands do you get who play in Utah? > >David > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bennett Cookson >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > > >> > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-) >> >> You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started. >> I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in >> 'London, New York, or wherever' >> How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York... >> >> --Bennett >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25578 Re: Utah Frank Arellano Sat 1/6/2001 4 KB 25579 Re: Utah tom george Sat 1/6/2001 3 KB 25580 Re: Utah Frank Arellano Sat 1/6/2001 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah Sounds like you're still an avid fan of these guys, following their every whereabouts and all. How many CD's do you now have of theirs? Any bootlegs or chance of tearing one of your duplicate copies away from you? If my memory serves me right, I think they're actually from Tennessee and that Billy Bob and Sally Mae are actually kin folk, somehow related anyways. Please confirm this, Tom. Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers, isn't that the group with that pigmy yodeler that you liked listening to so much or is that another group? Too bad your neighbors make you turn your stereo down. Good shit , I'm sure though, Tom. 8-) Would you please be so kind to direct some of us to their web pages too. Thanks in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah > Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra > Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers > Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers > Yeee Haaa Strings > and lets not forget.... > Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet > > and that's just this months entertainment :) > -- > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:24:15 David Foster wrote: > >What bands do you get who play in Utah? > > > >David > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bennett Cookson > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats > > > > > >> > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-) > >> > >> You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started. > >> I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in > >> 'London, New York, or wherever' > >> How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York... > >> > >> --Bennett > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >> Website: http://www.tadream.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah watch out Frank, you don't want me to start listing your Idaho favorites now do you? and we sure don't want to start going into the Tenn. jokes. you know like; have you ever been accused of lying through your front tooth? or talk about marrying your cousin Ida Mae. believe me. i just live here. i wasn't born here and i don't go with the territory. but if you really want some good stuff i was thinking of buying a rewritable. so just send me your old TD bootlegs like '3 Tier Dream' and 'Phaedream' and i'll record over them with the likes of: the Tennessee Mudhens play 'Gitchie Goo with your cousin Sue' or The Redbelly Sapsuckers play 'Pull My Finger' and if your really nice i'll even give you: the Hillbilly Cornsuckers playing the classic 'Smell my Feet, What ar' we goin' to Eat' ' tom On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:21:37 Frank Arellano wrote: > Sounds like you're still an avid fan of these guys, following their every >whereabouts and all. How many CD's do you now have of theirs? Any bootlegs >or chance of tearing one of your duplicate copies away from you? . > > >> Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra >> Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers >> Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers >> Yeee Haaa Strings >> and lets not forget.... >> Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet >> >> and that's just this months entertainment :) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah < I'll record over them with the likes of the Tennessee Mudhens, the Redbelly Sapsuckers, and the Hillbilly Cornsuckers. > I just knew you were a die hard collector of theirs :-) You've probably even spent a small fortune amassing theirs works :-) I'll talk to you later Thomas, my best and only friend. :-) I gotta go earn a living. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah > watch out Frank, > you don't want me to start listing your Idaho favorites now do you? and we sure don't want to start going into the Tenn. jokes. you know like; > have you ever been accused of lying through your front > tooth? or talk about marrying your cousin Ida Mae. believe me. i just live here. i wasn't born here and i don't go with the territory. but if you really want some good stuff i was thinking of buying a rewritable. so just send me your old TD bootlegs like '3 Tier Dream' and 'Phaedream' and i'll record over them with the likes of: > > the Tennessee Mudhens play 'Gitchie Goo with your > cousin Sue' > > or The Redbelly Sapsuckers play 'Pull My Finger' > > and if your really nice i'll even give you: > > the Hillbilly Cornsuckers playing the classic 'Smell my Feet, What ar' we goin' to Eat' > ' > tom > > > > > On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:21:37 Frank Arellano wrote: > > Sounds like you're still an avid fan of these guys, following their every > >whereabouts and all. How many CD's do you now have of theirs? Any bootlegs > >or chance of tearing one of your duplicate copies away from you? . > > > > > >> Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra > >> Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers > >> Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers > >> Yeee Haaa Strings > >> and lets not forget.... > >> Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet > >> > >> and that's just this months entertainment :) > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event. I so far have about 20 people interested in participating, but I only have 16 places for the cottages. Those that have paid (the performers are exempt) are guaranteed a spot in the cottage. If you come late, you can always plan to camp next to us in a tent or RV... This will be an origianl EM session that will feature: Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands) Dave Brewer (from Arizona) Air Sculpture (from England) And I'm sure another EM Swamp CD will come from these sessions. I invite all attendees to join me in my home for a kick-off party and a caravan down to the Swamp (April 20-24, 2001) - Party starts 4/19/01. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25584 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Neal Frost Sun 1/7/2001 3 KB 25605 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? joes@f... Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25586 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? scfeldman@j... Sun 1/7/2001 3 KB 25587 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? odean@m... Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25593 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? tom george Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling: New CD & new URL!!! Hi Andreas! I sent payment for 2 CDs today! Thank you Johannes :-)! Vic Rek Andreas Hedler wrote: > > Dear fans and friend! > > JOHANNES SCHMOELLING has just released his new CD 'White Out > (edition 2000)' on his new launched label VIKTORIAPARK! > > Please check our website at its new URL > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > for details how to order your own copy of WHITE OUT. > > We wish you a very happy new year! > > Johannes Schmoelling > Andreas Hedler (webmaster of The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING > Website) > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Derek ' Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: i - Box I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest wait or are others out there still waiting? Derek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25585 Re: i - Box John Marchington Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25589 Re: i - Box Derk Sun 1/7/2001 3 KB 25594 Re: i - Box Richard Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25595 Re: i - Box tomx01@w... Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25596 Re: i - Box Feldon Feldon Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25597 Re: i - Box Richard Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25598 Re: i - Box Feldon Feldon Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25599 Re: i - Box Feldon Feldon Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB 25603 Re: i - Box Sean Montgomery Sun 1/7/2001 4 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 2:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie oh that one. Anywon can helps me out? Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Rek To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: 1/6/01 4:42:12 PM Subject: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event. I so far have about 20 people interested in participating, but I only have 16 places for the cottages. Those that have paid (the performers are exempt) are guaranteed a spot in the cottage. If you come late, you can always plan to camp next to us in a tent or RV... This will be an origianl EM session that will feature: Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands) Dave Brewer (from Arizona) Air Sculpture (from England) And I'm sure another EM Swamp CD will come from these sessions. I invite all attendees to join me in my home for a kick-off party and a caravan down to the Swamp (April 20-24, 2001) - Party starts 4/19/01. Vic PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25605 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? joes@f... Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] i - Box I received notification from CDNOW on 24 December that my copy of I-Box had been dispatched. However I don't expect to receive it till either late this month or early in February. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Derek ' To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: [tadream] i - Box > I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest > wait or are others out there still waiting? > Derek > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0500 Vic Rek writes: > It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event. [. . .] > This will be an origianl EM session that will feature: > > Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands) > Dave Brewer (from Arizona) > Air Sculpture (from England) Air Sculpture?!?! Whoah, bubba! :) :) :) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25587 Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? odean@m... Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB From: odean@m... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? At 05:11 PM 1/6/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0500 Vic Rek writes: > > > It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event. [. . .] > > This will be an origianl EM session that will feature: > > > > Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands) > > Dave Brewer (from Arizona) > > Air Sculpture (from England) > > Air Sculpture?!?! Whoah, bubba! :) :) :) > > -- Steven Feldman Hey Vic, that's quite a feat! Getting AirSculpture to perform but even more so rendering Steven to the point of being at a loss for words! ;-) 'O' From: 'Thomas' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 6:44 am Subject: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Try Okefenokee Dreams CD at Groove Unlimited or Synth Music Direct. That's the official CD. I don't think either Dave Brewer or Marcel Engels (who are both on this list) would be too happy about a cdr tree.... The original is worth every penny, believe me. > Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie > oh that one. Anywon can helps me out? > > > > Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25592 Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Neal Frost Sun 1/7/2001 3 KB 25601 Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? scfeldman@j... Sun 1/7/2001 3 KB 25606 Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? tom george Mon 1/8/2001 3 KB 25607 Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Neal Frost Mon 1/8/2001 2 KB From: Derk Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: Re: i - Box From: 'Derek ' : >I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest >wait or are others out there still waiting? Got it yesterday as well. Although I already own both Tangents and Dream Roots Collection, this package is worthwile for me because there's a huge gap in my TD collection between Livemiles and Mars Polaris. So more than half of what's contained in the set is actually new for me, more than justifying the $32 I laid down for it! I started playing the set backwards yesterday (backwards chronologically that is!). Don't know what to make of the Perth Tapes yet: the first part is very meandering, while Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version. Too bad the applause has been edited out: in electronic music that's quite often the only indication that the music has in fact been played live! As for the 1988-1990 material, I like some pieces of it well enough but it's too early to form any opionion of it. Derk NP: i-Box disc 3: Tyger (William Blake Poem) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25594 Re: i - Box Richard Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: New Book Hello there, The other day I spotted a new book that might be of interest. It's called _The Ambient Century_ and is by Mark Prendergast. This is the chap who wrote the _Tangents_ essay. He's an interesting bloke - I found myself sitting next to him at the '97 London show and we had a chat at half-time. It's quite a substantial book - 400+ pages, I think - and covers the whole spectrum of what might very loosely be referred to as 'ambient' music. I *think* the subtitle was 'From Mahler to Eno in the Age of Electronics'. Publisher, in the UK at any rate, is Bloomsbury and the copyright date is 2000, so it's fairly hot off the press. Didn't have too close a look but I did spot two errors in one section - i.e. that Johaness Schmoelling left TD in '85 and Chris Franke left in '88. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25591 Re: New Book Glynn Naughton Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 1:03 pm Subject: Re: New Book Sorry, meant to say that the book said that Johannes left in '84. Here's me nitpicking and I can't get it right myself :-) Glynn From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Wonderful! Thank you very much! I was not trying to cheat anybody out of any $$$ or anything. I don't remember being a part of this list when the CD was released. I just assumed, with the nature of this list openly creating trees and the like....... Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved, remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?) Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: 1/7/01 1:51:03 AM Subject: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Try Okefenokee Dreams CD at Groove Unlimited or Synth Music Direct. That's the official CD. I don't think either Dave Brewer or Marcel Engels (who are both on this list) would be too happy about a cdr tree.... The original is worth every penny, believe me. Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie oh that one. Anywon can helps me out? Neal PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? th official cd from the event is for sale at Groove and SMD and various other places. only around $11.50 AT groove. come on Neal....support the artists. Tom On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:13:53 Neal Frost wrote: > >Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie >oh that one. Anywon can helps me out? Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Richard Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box >I started playing the set backwards yesterday ( That would be an interesting project. I might record one of their albums into my DR4vr and play it in reverse. Hmmm..... -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tomx01@w... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box Hmmm, if were talking about playing the I-box backwards it doesn't bode well for those still deciding wether to buy it or not. =) The melodic part of Monlolight might sounds tnteresting backwards though. Tom. Np: elgae etihW From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box >From: Derk > >From: 'Derek ' : > >I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest > >wait or are others out there still waiting? > Don't know what to make of the Perth Tapes yet: the first part >is very meandering, while Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version. >Too bad the applause has been edited out: in electronic music that's quite >often the only indication that the music has in fact been played live! Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether it's live or not, but which year's version it is. And I know I'm not alone. :) -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25597 Re: i - Box Richard Sun 1/7/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box I >Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave >Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether it's >live or not, but which year's version it is. You know someone was going to ask: How? -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box >From: Richard >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:13:37 +0000 > >I > >Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave > >Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether >it's > >live or not, but which year's version it is. > > >You know someone was going to ask: How? The versions of Mojave Plan and much of the other material changed pretty dramatically over the years. Especially the ~10 minute short encore version of Mojave Plan in 1983. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box >From: Richard >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:13:37 +0000 > >I > >Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave > >Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether >it's > >live or not, but which year's version it is. > > >You know someone was going to ask: How? The 1982 version of Mojave Plan was much longer, and much improvised (especially in the middle) and more melodicized in the beginning and other places. The version on the 'Perth 1982 concert' (HAH!) is pulled from the 1981 White Eagle release tapes and mixed in. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 7:03 am Subject: The OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:44:03 +0100 'Thomas' writes: >Try Okefenokee Dreams CD at Groove Unlimited or Synth Music Direct. >That's the official CD. I don't think either Dave Brewer or Marcel >Engels (who are both on this list) would be too happy about a cdr >tree.... The original is worth every penny, believe me. This is true. The OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD is right up there with Paul Ellis' APPEARS TO VANISH and AIR SCULPTURE's ATTRITION SYSTEM and EUROPA CDs. Forget about the two Arcane CDs, and pick up the OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD instead! -- Steven Feldman -- lone webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 5:38 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Re the OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD, on Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:24:20 -0500 'Neal Frost' writes: >Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved, >remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?) Huh?!? 'New and improved, remixed and re-recorded version'? What are you talking about? -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT From: 'jon werner' Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rarities auction Helo again I am not too much into auctions, sorry. Therefore no bids. But If you have a copy of Voices in the dunes to sell, I am very interested. I also asked you if you want to trade cdrs, but you never replied to that. If you are I will send you a list. Take care From Werner in Norway >From: Klaus Beschorner >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist >, tadream moderated mailing list at onelist >, goblinsclub mailing list , >artofvision TD 90s mailing list >Subject: [tadream] rarities auction >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:44:42 +0100 > >Oooops... almost 100 visitors and not a single bid on my auction at >http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity > >Please, be so kind and let me know what I'm doing wrong, >so that I can make you a better offer on the next run. >There is a feedback link on the page now. Thanks a lot ! > >Possible reasons I can think of would be: > >not interested in buying rarities at all ? >not interested in the items offered ? >don't like the auction rules or the fact that this is not ebay ? >minimum bids too high ? > >As in incentive to re-visit the page I have lowered all the >minimum bids ! > >cheers, >klaus > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box > Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version. Too bad the applause has > been edited out: in electronic music that's quite often the only indication > that the music has in fact been played live! Not necessarily...back in the early to mid 80s, TD's live renditions of album tracks were usually performed somewhat differently. They were abbreviated or extended, simplified or embellished. But the version of Mojave Plan in 'Dreamyard' is *so* much like the album version that I believe that that's exactly what it is: the album version. Given that they are also misrepresenting the 'Private Music' era tracks as being 'live' (they are not), this doesn't surprise me. I wish they would stop doing this. Flat out lying to your own fans (who, after all, have heard bootlegs of this material and know better) about what they're getting on an album is bad business practice, and I've told TDI as much. But I've never received a response from them. Since most of us are buying their stuff no matter what they do, I guess they have no reason to change their ways (personally, I cancelled my order for the box, and am making these judgements based on mp3s that I downloaded. Oh, sorry, am I not supposed to admit that?). Having said that, the demo versions of Marakesh and Cat Scan are interesting to hear, but they should have just labelled them as such - not as 'live'. Now, I know you're all just dying to hear even more of my usual complaining, and I will not disappoint you. The previously unreleased tracks are pretty average. No delights like Silver Scale or Valley of the Sun here. It's good to have Akash Deep, although it sounded better in the context of the entire concert for some reason. Cool Sibuya has some nice sounds, but goes on far too long. Iguana features my favourite unreleased theme from the 1988 tours, but it's used to bookend a really crap middle section. And the guitar overdubbing at the end actually takes away from its statelieness and makes it sound like the Love Theme from some bad 80s movie. I hope we get an unadulterated version one day...but I'm not holding my breath. Okay, I'll quit my whining now. Feel free to disagree with me. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: A momentary abuse of this list Hi All, The following posting to the Giorgio Moroder mailing list is just to juicy to keep to myself: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + From: 'Colin Linskey' To: moroder@egroups.com Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:53:09 -0000 Subject: [moroder] Greatest No.1 Singles... Hello everyone! Britain's Channel 4 television station in conjunction with The Observer newspaper compiled a list of The U.K.'s Greatest No.1 Singles. It was broadcast over 4 hours last night including the ad breaks. Only one Moroder song involved which was Donna Suumer's I Feel Love @ No.71, I think... Moroder commented on the one fingered chord technique etc, and added... 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love, and said 'David... I heard the future!'' The Human League's Phil(ip) Oakey commented that 'It might be my favourite ever single, still,' which seemed to take Suzanne Sulley, female vocals on Don't You Want Me by surprise... Further up the '100 was THAT Gloria Gaynor song to which Giorgio commented... 'I Will Survive is probably THE best dance song, ever made. I love her voice, the rhythm is great, the melody's great.' Cue thousands of Giorgio Moroder fans burning his records at this blasphemous comment!!! Don't tell Donna Summer! :-) Only joking! :-) I hope nobody does.. Well, they do say every songwriter says 'I wished I'd written that!' Best Wishes, Colin P.S. And the obligatory CD album of it is released tommorow. No idea of what tracks on it yet, but we're only interested if I Feel Love on it of course... Depends on which record companies are releasing it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: joes@f... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? How disrespectful can you get? Of course this will never happen, at least not on this list. -Joe --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Neal Frost' wrote: > > Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie > oh that one. Anywon can helps me out? > > > > Neal From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 12:01 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? hey steve, he is refering to Schmoellings new 'White Out 2000' that just came out remixed and with a couple of additional tracks,' tom -- On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:38:34 scfeldman wrote: >Re the OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD, >on Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:24:20 -0500 >'Neal Frost' writes: > >>Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved, >>remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?) > > Huh?!? 'New and improved, remixed and re-recorded version'? >What are you talking about? > > -- Steven Feldman >+ + + + + + + >'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't >possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message >posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 1:19 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee? Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved, remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?) Huh?!? 'New and improved, remixed and re-recorded version'? What are you talking about? Right JS? Zoo of Tranquility (Old Version) and then we have the New Version, new and improved, remixed and re-recorded. White Out (Old Version) and then we have White Out 2000, new and improved, remixed and re-recorded. I actually can't wait to see what he does with Wuivend Riet! Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 9:10 am Subject: the keep on ebay hi guys only 7 hours left for this item Tangerine Dream - THE KEEP TDI010CD 1997 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1402245218 plenty of hits no bids com on guys!!!! Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 2:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] rarities auction Good morning (afternoon) Klaus- I could be that everybody is just tapped out from the holidays? -JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:45 AM > To: tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist; tadream > moderated mailing list at onelist; goblinsclub mailing list; > artofvision > TD 90s mailing list > Subject: [tadream] rarities auction > > > Oooops... almost 100 visitors and not a single bid on my auction at > http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity > > Please, be so kind and let me know what I'm doing wrong, > so that I can make you a better offer on the next run. > There is a feedback link on the page now. Thanks a lot ! > > Possible reasons I can think of would be: > > not interested in buying rarities at all ? > not interested in the items offered ? > don't like the auction rules or the fact that this is not ebay ? > minimum bids too high ? > > As in incentive to re-visit the page I have lowered all the > minimum bids ! > > cheers, > klaus > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: dream sequence promo on ebay hi again guys i have listed my copy of the dream sequence promo cdrs on ebay you can find it here http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403066005 Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: THE KEEP again hi everyone i have relisted my Keep cd with a lower reserve price it is on for another 5 days http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403082708 i also have listed Dream Sequence promo cdrs http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403066005 Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: TD Guestbook I noticed that someone posted a message in the TD guestbook this weekend, criticizing the band for calling Dreamyard 'live' when it's really just tracks from White Eagle and Pinnacles stitched together. 'buyer beware', they added. Not surprisingly, the message has been deleted! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Guestbook I'm wondering who is to blame for this censorship. Is it Mr. Martin? (the same one who screamed at me 6 months ago for saying that Edgar didn't mind largely non-commercial bootlegs, a fact that Edgar reiterated quite strongly on the Electrobeats show a couple of weeks ago, which tens of thousands no doubt listened to) -Morgan >From: Sean Montgomery >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] TD Guestbook >Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:40:55 -0500 > >I noticed that someone posted a message in the TD guestbook this weekend, >criticizing the band for calling Dreamyard 'live' when it's really just >tracks from >White Eagle and Pinnacles stitched together. 'buyer beware', they added. >Not >surprisingly, the message has been deleted! > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Auction closed my first little private auction is closed now, All winners have been notified directly by email. For those interested I'll leave the results on the page for a few days. http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity Thanks to all bidders and 'feedbackers', the next one is going to be even better ! cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:58 pm Subject: Klaus in Scotland Hi all, I'm in Scotland (Livingston) just now until Thursday morning. Any local TD junkie care for a chat over a beer ? If so, leave a message on my mobile phone +49-171-7338969 cheers, klaus From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Sean said something funny... Hi all, Sean wrote: >And the guitar overdubbing >at the end actually takes away from its statelieness and makes it sound like >the Love Theme from some bad 80s movie. TD wrote several love themes to bad 80's movies! Maybe that's what this was originally! ;-) James (returning to the deep, dark, lurking jungle) From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Schulze in Beijing Hey, Does anyone have any info on Klaus Schulze's New Year show in Beijing? (I hope this is on-topic) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25621 Re: Schulze in Beijing Gustavo Jobim Tue 1/9/2001 2 KB From: Derk Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Mojave Plan 'live' From: Sean Montgomery : >> Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version. Too bad the applause has >> been edited out: in electronic music that's quite often the only indication >> that the music has in fact been played live! > >Not necessarily...back in the early to mid 80s, TD's live renditions of album >tracks were usually performed somewhat differently. They were abbreviated or >extended, simplified or embellished. But the version of Mojave Plan in >'Dreamyard' is *so* much like the album version that I believe that that's >exactly what it is: the album version. You're right of course: I should have referred to this specific instance (or rather, most of the i-Box live tracks). Since it's so close to the album version, a bit of applause would have been nice to identify it as a live track. But then, I understand that it isn't that either! Derk From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is available? Matt > I received an email from Yannick Edom regarding the CDR project. I > suspect that all of those musicians involved will get an email as soon > as the project is ready for release. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25622 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Richard Tue 1/9/2001 3 KB 25625 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Matthew Stringer Wed 1/10/2001 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 11:58 pm Subject: i-Box Hi everyone, I recently wrote that I didn't think I'd receive my 'i-Box' until later in the month. Well, it arrived this morning, and I plan to play it (or part of it) this evening. The enclosed booklet that I've briefly glanced at looks superb and full of fascinating photos. I gather there is the occasional error, but I'm not overly bothered by that. I plan to read it fully when time permits. All in all, it looks like an excellent purchase. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25630 Re: i-Box Armin Theissen Wed 1/10/2001 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze in Beijing Glenn Folkvord wrote: Hey, Does anyone have any info on Klaus Schulze's New Year show in Beijing? (I hope this is on-topic) -------- All I know is that the music was composed, played and recorded previously for the event, and that it was playbacked during the event. There is some more detailed info at KS's site, www.klaus-schulze.com . From: Richard Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer writes >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is available? >Matt If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. Although I was given more information, it is only for the artists involved. -- Richard Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25625 Re: Message to all regarding the CDR project Matthew Stringer Wed 1/10/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project look for a tree announcement on the CDR soon. yannick is doing the final mastering now, then Tom will begin the tree structuring upon receipt of the disks. We will make an announcement and post the info on the tadream.net/musos page. it's just around the corner... -jOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard [mailto:theroom@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:22 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project > > > In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer > writes > >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk > before it is available? > >Matt > > If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. > Although I was > given more information, it is only for the artists involved. > -- > Richard > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 7:13 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it? I don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be grateful, thanks Thomas Helsingborg Sweden > In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer > writes > >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is available? > >Matt > > If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. Although I was > given more information, it is only for the artists involved. > -- > Richard > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25626 Re: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CD Richard Ford Wed 1/10/2001 3 KB 25627 Re: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CD joes@f... Wed 1/10/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project I suppled the Dream Conspiracy track, but have heard very little about the state of play with the project. I was just wondering if someone had put something on the web about it that's all. Matt On Tue, 09 Jan 2001, you wrote: > In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer > writes > > >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is > > available? Matt > > If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. Although I was > given more information, it is only for the artists involved. From: Richard Ford Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 11:49 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project >Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it? I >don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be >grateful, > >thanks > >Thomas >Helsingborg Sweden I'm beginning to wish I'd never offered to post the info to the group. There is no offence meant. The project is not yet finished. It must be obvious that the first people to know about it are those that are involved. I'm sure, when the project is ready for release there will be an official posting. END -- Richard From: joes@f... Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project I don't either. I know of nothing for 'the artists involved only'. I put some of the info at the following URL, but am not 100% sure it is current. Yannick will update us. Oops I just noticed that I put the large sized files up; I'll replace them with smaller versions asap. http://www.tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ -joe --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Thomas' wrote: > Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it? I > don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be grateful, > > thanks > > Thomas > Helsingborg Sweden > ... > > >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is available? > > >Matt ...more information, it is only for the artists involved. > > Richard From: 'Thomas' Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project Oh, I'm sorry. Complete misunderstanding from my side. I interpreted it as if the WHOLE project was for the participants of the CD only. Sorry :) Thomas > >Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it? I > >don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be > >grateful, > > > >thanks > > > >Thomas > >Helsingborg Sweden > > I'm beginning to wish I'd never offered to post the info to the group. > There is no offence meant. The project is not yet finished. It must be > obvious that the first people to know about it are those that are > involved. > > I'm sure, when the project is ready for release there will be an > official posting. > > > > END > -- > Richard From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 9:44 am Subject: iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the list moderators or of the list as a whole itself. One should read these reviews noting that different members of the TD fan community hold many different viewpoints. ---------------------------- Here's a lengthy review of the iBox for anyone who's interested. TD acolytes who don't much care for criticism should probably turn back now. You've been warned. The rest of you, come on in... Well, I swore I wouldn't buy it. Packaging an unreleased live tape with five other compilation discs was one screw job too many for me. Then the price turned out to be $30, with a voucher I got it down to $20, and I'd run out of Christmas present ideas. The pull of that 6th disc was too strong. OK, it would be tangentised to hell, but there could be *anything* on that disc. Bits of Digital Times, Undulation, the second half of Sohoman. I caved in. The packaging is very attractive, but the CD set itself is an even greater disappointment than I'd feared. And I'd set my expectations pretty low already. iBox fails on so many levels its difficult to know where to start. The tracklisting. I was under the impression that the whole point of the iBox was to make a proper compilation of TD material, with tracks from every year and era. With albums spread over 4 or 5 different record companies, this hasn't been possible before. iBox runs into the same problem Book of Dreams had before the first disc is finished. It jumps inexplicably from 1972/3 to 1985. Why? If you're going to be that idiotic with the tracks, hell, open the whole compilation with Melrose. And where's Phaedra? Rubycon? Ricochet? Stratosfear? Force Majeure? Tangram? Thief? The Virgin years have been all but skipped entirely. Again. Not even a bit of that awful 90's concert version of Phaedra to represent the classic Virgin years. The tangentising. It would have been foolish not to expect this. Once again Edgar does a 'George Lucas', approaching his material convinced that any sharp corners in the music are actually errors that need to be ground down and filed off, creating homogenised, uniform, and colourless versions of classics. Those lovely electronic-sounding Sitars in No Mans Land are almost buried beneath a dull, droning orchestral sound. Ten seconds into Hyperborea, an unbelievably cack-handed crashing drum sound joins the track, thumping incessantly on the music and totally ruining the laid-back feeling of the original. And so on, with most of the other tracks. Apparently being a cutting edge, forwarding thinking artist means that to create something new, you must first tear down and destroy everything that's old, showing no respect for the material that made you a hit in the first place. Not true. Some of the tangentising is just bizarre. White Clouds, Astral Voyager and Indian Summer haven't had a single note added to them. Instead, they've each been put through an ambience filter. You know, the kind of thing you can do if you've got a Winamp plugin and too much free time on your hands. The resulting echoy sound does nothing to improve the originals (because they don't _need_ improving), and just makes them sound like they're being played through a cheap stereo with crap speakers. As with Book of Dreams, there are a few tracks that haven't been altered. Mostly from Le Parc and Underwater Sunlight, but the damage has already been done. Then there are the 'live' tracks. It's actually quite cute and amusing what Edgar has done here. Basically, he's taken studio versions and put them through that Winamp plugin to create the ambience effect of a live, outside performance. It would be almost convincing, except he forgot to add one other little thing. An audience. Where are they? If it's a live performance, recorded 'outside' to create the live ambience sound... shouldn't we be able to hear the audience too? It really is kinda funny, until you remember that the iBox is supposed to be the ultimate compilation of one of the greatest electronic bands in the history of music. Then it isn't quite a funny anymore. And so we arrive at the Perth Tapes, and unless anyone here can produce a bootleg of this concert to prove me wrong, I'm declaring this Edgars most deceptive and unprincipled release to date. Worse even than Soundmill Navigator or Sohoman, because at least they contained some live material buried in amongst the crap. Red Velvet Rooster. Apparently it's an Edgar track from Pinnacles. Not having heard that album I wouldn't know. The track plods around aimlessly for 15 minutes and sounds nothing like the 1982 live sets I've heard on bootlegs and fantapes. Then it gives way to what are obviously the studio versions of Convention of the 24 and Mojave Plan. Is it _really_ easier to fake a concert and lie to fans, than to simply pull an old live tape out of storage? Bookending the whole sorry mess is a rather nice booklet of photos, plus a five page band history that is breathlessly laudatory in places. The real surprise here is that its not actually written by Edgar himself, but in it the author assures us that TD are as cutting edge today as they were in 1970 despite the 6 CD's of evidence to the contrary. We're also told that Jerome wants to drag TD even further into the styles of DJ and Jungle music. I can't wait for that. So there you have it. And please remember, I'm not trolling. I'm just a very disappointed and pissed-off fan. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25631 Re: iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker Sean Montgomery Wed 1/10/2001 7 KB 25633 Re: iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker Joe Shoults Wed 1/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:40 am Subject: Re: i-Box note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the list moderators or of the list as a whole itself. One should read these reviews noting that different members of the TD fan community hold many different viewpoints. ---------------------------- Hi, I bought my i-box straight in a shop in Bonn/Germany after unsuccessful attempts to find it in Belfast, Dublin and Brussels. The booklet is indeed very very good, even better than the Dream Roots Collection booklet. Lots of photos I haven't seen yet. Similar effect as 20 years ago with the TD 70-80 4LP set. On that early photograph on the first page, Edgar looks very much like Jerome with a blonde wig (or dyed hair, for that matter...) Music: Most of it is overpaid, sure. Only very few new tracks on it, and the first 10 minutes or so of the 'Perth concert'. The subtitle of the i-box - 70-90 - is of course not to be taken that seriously. There is nothing on it from Phaedra, Rubicon, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Cyclone, Force Majeure... probably copyright problems. As with all official releases of 'rarities' and old stuff, the music looses a lot since it is taken out of the context of the concerts it has been played on (as we know from fantapes...) Under the bottom line, another rip off of course, and I'm thinking we're glad that the Froese's don't do 25++ box sets like Schulze in that way... we can just live with it (so far) armin --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: > Hi everyone, > I recently wrote that I didn't think I'd receive my 'i-Box' until later in > the month. Well, it arrived this morning, and I plan to play it (or part of > it) this evening. > The enclosed booklet that I've briefly glanced at looks superb and full of > fascinating photos. I gather there is the occasional error, but I'm not > overly bothered by that. I plan to read it fully when time permits. > All in all, it looks like an excellent purchase. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker > note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the list moderators or of the list as a whole itself. One should read these reviews noting that different members of the TD fan community hold many different viewpoints. > ---------------------------- What's up with this? Is TDI breathing down the list moderator's neck? Do they want to start censoring contrary opinions from this list the same way they censor their guestbook? This is unbelievable. We're not enemies of TD here. We're the people who have spent a fortune supporting them over the years. The band should LISTEN to what we have to say! That's the first rule of customer service. This constant dismissing of criticism is going to hurt them big time, and I'll tell you why. Who are TDI really selling to these days? I'll put aside issues such as tehir lack of touring or promotion, their disappearance from soundtrack writing...and invite you to take a look at Amazon.com. Go type in 'I-Box', and it'll tell you that the people who have bought the set have also purchased Antique Dreams, Soundmill Navigator, and the remaster of Livemiles. What does this tell you? It tells me that the I-Box is not being bought by average shoppers. It's being bought by hardcore fans, particularly those hungry for older music. And TD knows this, which is why they stick on the 'unreleased' tracks - to suck in the hardcore fans who have to have *everything*. (They consistently fail to provide any information about these tracks of course. Useful information - such as who composed them, and when they were written If people knew that they were just 'tracks rejected from Optical Race for being too slow and pointless', then they would probably be less inclined to buy the set). Sometimes, I find what TDI does these days to be totally baffling. They obviously know that fans want old concerts, which is why we get Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator and now the 'Perth Tapes'. But these are either not really live shows at all, or so doctored that their value as historical documents is ruined. Can you imagine if Pink Floyd, for the live version of The Wall that they put out last year, had just taken the master tapes for the original album and released it with some crowd noises on top? That's essesntially what TD did with the Perth tapes, except they didn't even add crowd noise, making the act even more unbelievable. How much work can it be to go into the vault, dust off a master tape, and put it on a CD? Obviously, they have these tapes. The band has played unadulterated concert material on Electrobeats at least twice. They even make jokes about how 'this will makes the bootleggers happy'. Why not make the FANS happy? Why lie to the fans? Why do they not respond to fan criticism? Why treat them like bratty children? They put your bread and butter on the table, people. Matthew Sawyer wrote: > Apparently being a cutting edge, forwarding thinking artist means that to create something new, you must first tear down and destroy everything that's old, showing no respect for the material that made you a hit in the first place. While I'm on a tear, I might as well repost something I sent to the list last October: It seems that Edgar still fancies himself to be a visionary...a leader of the electronic music revolution. In this mindset, he can not allow himself to be seen acknowledging that anything he did in the past was any good. Every step must be a step forward - a radical step! He never looks back! So when he does lower himself to releasing older material, he has to sprinkle some of his current musical spices on it, since this makes the old tunes new and revolutionary - like everything else TD still puts out, of course. Yeah, I was being a little sarcastic there. > We're also told that Jerome wants to drag TD even further into the styles of DJ and Jungle music. I can't wait for that. In the interests of injecting a note of positivism, I actually like Jerome's excursions into more dance-oriented music. In fact, if he hadn't stepped in back in 1995 with The Dream Mixes, I would have abandoned the band. All the same, it shows that TD has become reactive rather than proactive. Drum and Bass music was hot here in Toronto a couple of years ago, and it's already getting old. If TD wants to keep claiming to be musical visionaries, they have to deliver the goods, not just copy what's already been done. Now let's see if his message gets censored. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: iBox Review I really seem to believe that what we are seeing is the result of a person or group who takes material from an artist, repackages it, renames it, promotes it, and basically alters it for the purpose to make money. I can't imagine an artist doing this to their own work.. heck I can't even imagine an artist taking the fairly decent box art on the iBox and cramming it out of proportion on the box side. What could be happening is that Edgar and Jerome are so involved in current projects that they have no desire to worry about box sets and compliations of old material. Anyone can take a bunch of tracks and compile them together, just tell them where they are. So could we really establish that Edgar had the ultimate desire to basically record Pinnacles and Mohave Plan from a couple CDs they could buy down the road and call it the Perth Tapes? How could anyone sit and create new over-dubs for ten minutes over basically master studio recordings and call it live? That sounds like the work of a brain damaged gorilla. Now mind you I have seen more differences in some of the tracks than others.. *I think* On Melrose, the sax part has some varriation Electric Lion guitar part sounds more dynamic and live sounding. Upon hearing Cat Scan and Marakesh, I thought.. who recorded only the left (or right) channel? Who knows.. sounds cool nevertheless whatever they did with it. Greg H. NP: PSX Rayman .. those French can make interesting soundtracks.. From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery > > note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not ... ... > What's up with this? Is TDI breathing down the list > moderator's neck? Do they want to start censoring contrary hey sean- your question is understandable, but no they haven't. Those comments are simply so that new subscribers know this is a TD 'FAN' list, not a 'here's everything that is wrong with TD' list, as it sometimes appears. I receive the exit interviews that people are kind enough to send me when they leave, and believe me, it is not always apparent.. > Who are TDI really selling to these days? this I would really like to know also! > imagine if Pink Floyd, for the live version of The Wall that > they put out last year, had just taken the master tapes for > the original album and released it with some crowd noises on > top? I was about to comment on the album Pulse, but I can't remember if PF merged the tracks together that were from different shows to make them seem like they were from the same show - or not. Not quite as egregious as a studio with crowd overdubs, of course, but it came to mind. I'm thinking back to live albums from the past: did my Kiss Alive album say the songs were from different venues or not? etc. > Now let's see if his message gets censored. no- I'll censor the next one. make it juicy. ;-) From: 'kayleigh' Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:40 am Subject: CD Project HELP? Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question in regards to this CDR project that's going on. IS THERE anyone that could give me some help on obtaining some of the stuff that is being made available? i'm seriously interested, and wondering if I'm not already too late for this? Please if anyone could e-mail me off the list, OR on the list, that'd be totally cool. I'd appreciate it, as it sounds like a great project, and I'd like to see about obtaining some of the stuff that's going around. thanks. dan Visit KAYLEIGH - LIVE ONLINE!!! http://www.kayleighshomepage.com CrackASmile - POISON (the band) ONLINE! http://crackasmile.musicpage.com ChristianRockMusic And More! http://christianrock.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25636 Re: CD Project HELP? Richard Thu 1/11/2001 3 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 5:19 am Subject: Heiko Heiko Heerson please contact me. my mail to your personal email keeps coming back saying failure. thanks. sorry list for the private message. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Richard Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Project HELP? In message <007d01c07b67$29c38020$b51a5dd8@d...>, kayleigh writes >Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question in regards to this CDR project >that's going on. IS THERE anyone that could give me some help on obtaining >some of the stuff that is being made available? i'm seriously interested, >and wondering if I'm not already too late for this? > >Please if anyone could e-mail me off the list, OR on the list, that'd be >totally cool. I'd appreciate it, as it sounds like a great project, and I'd >like to see about obtaining some of the stuff that's going around. > It will be posted here when it is ready for release. Keep cool. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:08 pm Subject: i-Box controversy, The Keep, Jerome taking over & Edgar producing everything 'Well, I swore I wouldn't buy it. Packaging an unreleased live tape with five other compilation discs was one screw job too many for me... but the CD set itself is an even greater disappointment than I'd feared. And I'd set my expectations pretty lowalready. iBox fails on so many levels its difficult to know where to start.' '...Music: Most of it is overpaid, sure. Only very few new tracks on it, and the first 10 minutes or so of the 'Perth concert'. The subtitle of the i-box - 70-90 - is of course not to be taken that seriously. There is nothing on it from Phaedra, Rubicon, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Cyclone, Force Majeure... probably copyright problems.' '...All in all, it looks like an excellent purchase...' '...Sometimes, I find what TDI does these days to be totally baffling...' Okay, I'll put in my worth. First of all, I seemed to be one of the lucky ones who got their I-Box set well ahead of most, and I live hear in Poland! As regards the collection though, well, if you don't already have Tangents and Dream Roots, it may be thought of as being a good purchase. I do find the selection of tracks mysterious, wondering why there should be many taken from the incredibly disappointing 'Vulcano' from 'Tangents'. (or is it now Volcano?) Since the track selections from the Blue and Virgin years have actually come from 'Dream Roots' and 'Tangents', this does certainly suggest a copyright problem. Unless, of course, you count what does effectively seem like a straight copy of 'Mojave Plan'. Perhaps EMI/Virgin Music Publishers should be informed... Actually, the 'new' tracks on the collection are not that bad. It's only a pity there are so few of them. And Edgar has a hand in everything. Just to veer off-topic slightly, could this be a reason why 'The Keep' official release has the tracks it does? Maybe, just maybe, tracks like 'The Keep (main title)', 'The Black Soldiers' and 'Brothers in Death' weren't written by Edgar at all but by Chris, and because his relationship with Chris was at an all-time low, Edgar refused to include these tracks. Instead, he filled them up with his own pieces probably recorded one sunny afternoon in 1997. Certainly, during the CF years, no matter who composed what track on each album, it was always given a group credit, only sometimes the order of composer would differ But back to the i-BOX. Let's face it. TD did post a track list regards i-BOX, and we all knew what was coming, but we thought, well, seven new tracks and a whole CD of live material, it might well be worth the money. I think a lot of us do feel incredibly disappointed and hard-done by with the 'Perth Tapes'. I hope, Jerome, you've done a bloody good job on Dream Mixes three. Maybe it is time for you to take the TD reins (Oh god, how could I say this...) Oh, one further footnote. If TDI are able to get all the Virgin releases, and re-release them with new splurges on the front, would Edgar suddenly be credited as sole producer - just like the Jive re-issues? (I often wonder what Chris makes of all this.) Okay. I'll shut up now. But I'll still remain a TD fan... Roger Hartopp -- From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box controversy, The Keep, Jerome taking over & Edgar produci... In a message dated 12/01/01 13:33:41 GMT Standard Time, gmroger@p... writes: << I hope, Jerome, you've done a bloody good job on Dream Mixes three. Maybe it is time for you to take the TD reins (Oh god, how could I say this...) >> In Paul Stump's book it claims that Edgar would be handing over the name Tangerine Dream to Jerome in 2000. As that has now passed, could i-box be Edgar's swansong? Derek From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:21 am Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES cover (if it works note: we don't allow attachments, so yannick's cover won't come through. you can view the current info (don't have tracklist up yet): http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ --------------------- Here is the cover for the project Yannick Edom Mirage Cr�ations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:19 am Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hello everyone on the List First happy new year 2001. The new Millenium will see the CDR project now titled 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 'Dreawatchers' Tales' is now close to be completed. The booklet is in progress and some things has to be done on some tracks. The final Product will be a 2CDR set with 23 tracks. There is a special opening atmospheric piece with short samples of all tracks from the project as introduction. Two collaboration tracks are also included. The basic sequences and drumset are recorded by one musician in his studio and the overlays are recorded by the other one in another studio. The musicians never met for these collaboration tracks. A 'preview' CDR is complete with short versions of some tracks chosen for the final product and 9 extra tracks only available on this preview CDR, as i received sometimes more than one track per musician. All informations are also available on the http://www.tadream.net website managed by Joe Shoults. The tree for the availability of the final product is managed by Tom Richmond TRichmond@b... Here are the track listing (with short description) of the final 2CDR set. ------------------------------------- The Dreamwatchers' Tales a gathering of electronic musicians through Internet DISC 1 1- DREAMWATCHERS 'tales' Atmospheric sound sculpture created by Darklion featuring short extracts of each track of this project and also the special tracks from the preview CDR. 2- NIGHTBIRDS 'Morning Weather' (R.V. - Blue Maze) Atmospheric intro continues with cyclic sequences and background soli & chord recorded live Cap d'Agde - France in summer 1995 3- NEMESIS 'Moontrigger' (Ami Hassinen - Jyrki Kastman) Typical berlin school piece with sequences & soli using vintage sounds 4- OLIVIER BRIAND 'Transparences' (O. Briand) Etheral opening turning into heavy franke-like sequences and acoustic guitar soli Guitar played by Christian Gerard 5- D�KTOR STRANGE 'To be or not to be Live ?' (Dr Strange) An ambient/trance track with schulzian analog sequences & light drumset with short soli Featuring P-33 on additional keyboards Recorded live 6- DARKLION 'Desert Line - Dreamlist part' (Darklion) Multilayed voices opening followed by a techno-like piece with an ending '� la Froese' using mellotron strings, orchestra and zombi samples 7- JEFF BERGMAN 'An Intense and Intimate Journey Into your Mind' (J. Bergman) Long track with progressive sequences and many themes variations 8- FREE SYSTEM PROJECT 'Faraday' (Marcel Engels) Another typical berlin school piece with analog sequences and vintage-sound-soli 9- JOHN GENTILE 'Liquid quartz' (J. Gentile) Flying track with synth strings and crystal soli 10- DAVE BREWER 'December Afternoon' (D. Brewer) Short romantic music with piano solo and background synth 11- EPHEMERIS 'Astronautilus' (Rod Jones) A happily track with a lot of themes and 80's-like composition and arrangements 12- GUSTAVO JOBIM 'Morse Codes' A totally different track ! it's a free jazz improvisation on an electric organ. DISC 2 1- DREAM CONSPIRACY 'Dysfunction' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - Stephen Fletcher) Floating opening followed by drumset and later by cyclic sequences and some soli. 2- IONIC 'From Gulf to Gulf' (J. Salyers - Patrick Zimmermann - Christophe Steulet) Ambient peaceful track with slow sequences and etheral backgrounds. 3- OLYAM 'Asterope I' (Olyam) Electronic composition with complex arrangement and music theme played on electric guitar 4- DARKLION & D�KTOR STRANGE 'So Good' (Darklion - Dr Strange) 1st collaboration for the project. Cyclic techno-dance sequences with chords and voice samples Sequences Drumset and samples by darklion (studio Mirage) and all overlays by D�KTOR STRANGE (Num-R-Ick Studio) 5- TWO ARE ONE 'Love of Life' (Tim Scallon) A peaceful track with acoustic guitar themes and synth backgrounds 6- DWELLER AT THE THRESHOLD 'World without end' (Paul Ellis - Dave Fulton) Another berlin school piece with a lot of flying analog sequences and vintage sounds soli 7- FRED YARGUI 'Sirius Suite' (F. Yargui) A three part track. Sound sculpture opening quickly followed by a slow electronic compositions. 8- BRIAN FRICK 'Sequential 97' (B. Frick) The title speaks by itself. some theme variations on sequences and drumset. 9- SATSUMA NIGHTMARE 'Grating Lobes' (Alan Stocker - Jon Angell) Another sequenced track with several soli on guitar-like sound and a TD-like flute sound 10- DARKLION & OLYAM 'Bubble Bells' (Darklion - Olyam) 2nd Collaboration track. Cyclic crystal sequences overlayed by guitar and synth soli and precussions Sequences and drumset by Darklion (Studio Mirage) all overlays, guitars and Percussion by Olyam (Studio Faure) 11- RICHARD FORD 'Another Day' (R.Ford) A happy track to close the project. Happily Themes on 80's like composition. Original Idea : Joel Mullen Project Management : Yannick Edom Management Assistants : Oc�ane and Marine Brenan Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion All Artworks : Yannick Edom Visual Concept and Sleeve Design : Darklion Inner sleeve texts by Darklion, Oc�ane Brenan and Marine Brenan Mastering, Processing and Cover Design at Studio Mirage Cr�ations - Toulouse France -------------------------------------------------- LATEST CORRECTION Due to copyrights, the Olyam Track 'Asterope I' is cancelled and will quickly be replaced by another one. 'Asterope I' will appears on his further album 'Pleiades' for more informations about Olyam please contact arcadiamusique@h... -------------------------------------------------- The preview CDR is ONLY FOR THE MUSICIANS. They are invited to contact Tom Richmond to get it as he will receive soon this prerelease. Here are the credits of this preview The Dreamwatchers' Tales Limited Preview CDR 1 NEMESIS Mind Journey 2 BRIAN FRICK Sequential 97 3 DARKLION Desert Line (Dunes Part) 4 DAVE BREWER December Afternoon 5 D�KTOR STRANGE Red Ants Love Migration Freq 6 DREAM CONSPIRACY Dysfunction (excerpt) 7 DWELLER AT THE THRESHOLD World Without End 8 EPHEMERIS Astronautilus 9 FRED YARGUI Sirius Suite (excerpt) 10 OLYAM Human part VIII 11 FREE SYSTEM PROJECT Faraday 12 IONIC From Gulf to Gulf 13 OLIVIER BRIAND Prophetic Steps 14 JEFF BERGMAN The Science of Happiness 15 JOHN GENTILE Kindle Awakening 16 NIGHTBIRDS Nouvelles analogies 17 RICHARD FORD Another Day 18 SATSUMA NIGHTMARE Grating Lobes 19 TWO ARE ONE Love of Life 20 GUSTAVO JOBIM Morse Codes 1 music by Ami Hassinen and Jyrki Kastman - copyright Nemesis - appears on this prerelease only 2 music by Brian Frick -copyright B. Frick - Full version available on the final project 3 Music by Darklion - copyright Mirage Cr�ations - appears on this prerelease only 4 Music by Dave Brewer - copyright D. Brewer 5 music by D�ktor Strange - copyright sensorial recordings - appears on this prerelease only 6 music by Matthew Stringer, John Stringer and Stephen Fletcher - copyright Dream Conspiracy - this part appears on this prerelease only 7 music by Paul Ellis and Dave Fulton - copyright Dweller at the Threshold - Full version appears on the final project 8 music by Rod Jones - copyright Ephemeris - Full version appears on the final project 9 music by Fr�d�ric Yargui - copyright F. Yargui - appears on this prerelease only 10 music by Olyam - copyright Arcadia Musique - appears on this prerelease only 11 music by Marcel Engels - copyright Free System Project - Full version appears on the final project 12 Music by Jerome Salyers, Patrick Zimmermann and Christophe Steulet - copyright Ionic - Full version appears on the final project 13 Music by Olivier Briand - copyright O. Briand - appears on this prerelease only 14 Music by Jeff Bergman copyright J. Bergman - appears on this prerelease only 15 music by John Gentile - copyright J. Gentile - appears on this prerelease only 16 Music by R.V. and Blue Maze - copyright Milk - appears on this prerelease only 17 music by Richard Ford - copyright R. Ford 18 music by Alan Stocker and Jon Angell - copyright Satsuma Nightmare - Full version appears on the final project 19 music by Tim Scallon - copyright T. Scallon 20 music by Gustavo Jobim - copyright G. Jobim Original Idea : Joel Mullen Project Management : Yannick Edom Management Assistants : Oc�ane and Marine Brenan Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion All Artworks : Yannick Edom Visual Concept and Sleeve Design : Darklion Mastering, Processing and Cover Design at Studio Mirage Cr�ations - Toulouse France Mirage Cr�ations c/o Yannick Edom Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 Toulouse France e-mails : darklion@h... or yannick.edom@s... This Project is produced by the Tadream Mailing List members and distributed as a tree system by Joe Shoults and Tom Richmond. P 2001 TML Music C 2001 Mirage Cr�ations Many Thanks to Joel Mullen, Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Oc�ane and Marine Brenan, Yannick Edom, every musicians of this project (without them there is no CD) and all friends from tadream@egroups.com tangerinedream@egroups.com and goblinsclub@egroups.com Very special thanks to Tangerine Dream (all line-ups) for the fabulous music from 1967 'till now. --------------------------------------------------------- This message is followed by another one with the cover of the 2 CDR set. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Darklion Oc�ane Brenan Marine Brenan Mirage Cr�ations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! 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