From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 5:26
am
Subject: TD's Top Ten
Alright everybody,
Our buddy Steve Yensen is the first one to post his TD's 90's era top
ten, so gather up your thoughts and keep em' coming. If you want you to, go
ahead and post them through tadream@egroups.com , so that others can see and
get to know your tastes, unless you're embarrassed by them :-). Either way
I'll keep tabulations. BTW, when you post your top ten, start with your #1
being your favorite track, which is worth ten points and on down the line.
Also specifically state which version/ CD it came from. Steve, I assume
'Waterborne' is your favorite 90's track? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Frank Arellano
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:09
am
Subject: Re: Macula Transfer
Hi,
my copy of Raetikon is fine. Too bad you missed it. Though some
think it is just endless noodling on Mojave Plan and Choronzon,
I find its a great variation on these plus a killer track after
Mojave Plan which has only been published officially on the recent
'Antique Dream' - but the Raetikon version is far better!
Macula Transfer was called back by Froese, therefore only a limited
number of copies around.
cheers
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Derk wrote:
> I went to a record fair yesterday (for the Dutch members: it was the
Mega
> CD & Record Fair in Utrecht), and came home with a few nice items:
Ages,
> Pinnacles, Stuntman, The Zoo of Tranquility (1998) & Songs No Words.
I also
> saw Macula Transfer, in a 1998 Manikin Records edition but didn't
pick it
> up because it was quite expensive. Later on I heard that this was a
very
> limited edition. So, have I been tremendously stupid by not picking
up that
> CD?
> There were a few TD boots, one of which I found very interesting,
namely
> Raetikon (Melbourne 1982). However, all five copies I found during
the day
> were flawed (I had brought a portable CD player which just kept
skipping on
> these discs). Is this a known problem with Raetikon?
>
> Derk
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 9:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD's Top Ten
okay, i'm in...
1. Chia Maroon (Oasis OST)
2. Electric Lion (Melrose)
3. Sundance Kid (220 Volt)
4. Flashflood (Oasis OST)
5. Outland (Mars Polaris)
6. Quiona (Quinoa Extended)
7. Rising Haul in Silence (Goblin's Club)
8. Galley Slave's Horizon (Turn of the Tides)
9. Fairfax (Hollywood Years Vol. 1)
10. Smokey Karlow (Transsiberia OST)
you know, in putting these down, i wondered why, for example, i didn't put down
Comet's Figure Head, which is a great tune... or, other tunes, which are great,
but really couldn't find their way up to the top...
then i recalled a quote from the esteemed Neil Pert... he was talking about
why, for the rap section of roll the bones, they didn't choose to do it funny
or weird, but to simple have geddy do it:
'...but then how to treat it was the other question, and we did think of trying
to get a real rapper in to do it, and we even experimented with female voices,
and ultimately found that that treated version of Geddy's voice was the most
satisfying as creating the persona that we wanted to get across, and was also
the most satisfying to listen to. ... John Cleese we thought of; we were going
to do it as a joke version, get John Cleese in it: 'Jack, relax.' Get him to
camp it up, but again from the musicality and longevity factors, that would
have got tired quickly...'
and i realized that was why so much of the recent TD doesn't get the
spin-treatment in my stereo the way say, Livemiles or Poland get... musically,
i feel they've gone for something other than music that really subscribes to
the idea of longevity, music that will last over hundreds and even thousands of
plays...
whew! that .02 was burning a hole in my pocket...
=)
j.gordon
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 10:47
am
Subject: Re: Phaedream
>a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be
>prudent to make sure that it held just TD content.
Tom, what makes you think that ?
Most bootleg producers are in it for the money, nothing else.
I presume that the maker of Phaedream got his hands on a
tape that was marked 'TD London 1975', and that had the
Neuronium track on it as a filler. My best bet would be
that he never even knew it was something different,
and didn't give a rat's ass, anyway.
The cesspool that turned up Phaedream used to announce
20-40 bootleg CDs a month, literally ranging from Abba
to Zappa. No way he (they) are experts/fans of all
these groups.
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Greg'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 11:01
am
Subject: Astrophobia? Bleh..
On the record, I'm not putting Mars Polaris down, and in fact I enjoy
numerous tracks
from this album. But when I kept hearing the praise Astrophobia had been
getting, I had
to sit down and figure out why I was having such a negative reaction to it.
I think I found
out why it has been bothering me and maybe others. The problem lies in the
compositional
style of the track -- not so much that it has numerous different ideas, but
in fact what these
ideas are and how they are presented.
When I actually listened to this track, rather then let it fall as back-beat
music in the
background, I found something terrible to me.
Repetitiveness without evolution.
I made a simple chart here from a quick listening of this track. Basing from
each of these
ideas was often a melody that had a basic repetition of twice or three
times. In essence, the
music became predictable and the ideas stuffed in the small sections were in
fact smaller. I
believe the track to be incredibly inflated with repeated material and my
only reasoning for
calling the material 'repeated' is the lack of evolution and the stance that
not any one idea
firmly plants itself, thus becoming 'decoration.' In fact I think most of
this track is fluff
and decoration, and falls apart in having too many ideas.
Section 1: 0:00 - 1:00 Rep. 8:46 - 9:57
Section 2: 1:00 - 2:24
Section 3: 2:25 - 3:13
Section 3B: 3:13 - 3:34
Section 4: 3:35 - 4:21
Section 4B: 4:21 - 4:32
Section 5: 4:32 - 4:55
Section 6: 4:56 - 5:19
Section 7: 5:20 - 5:42
Section 8: 5:43 - 6:05
Section 9: 6:06 - 6:16
Section 10: 6:17 - 6:57
Section 10B: 6:57 - 7:09
Section 10C: 7:10 - 7:31
Section 11: 7:32 - 7:50
Section 11B: 7:51 - 8:04
Section 11C: 8:04 - 8:45
How many current TD tracks have this style of progressive repeated melodies?
I think
very many and it lingers as being irritating when similar instruments among
many albums
play these melodies -- weather it be a harpsichord, piano, or bell sounds.
I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like
it's cut & paste
nature and that sort of electronic perfection of a copy seems IMO is hurting
TD's sound.
Now I know Jerome likes dance music, and if there's one place for cut &
paste, it's dance
music -- that's fine. But if you are sitting plopping notes in with a mouse
like Mario Paint,
something's lost...
And every plopped Yoshi in the world isn't going to change that sound!
Greg H.
NP: Green Desert
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From:
'Darryl Sloan'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh..
>music in the
>background, I found something terrible to me.
>
>Repetitiveness without evolution.
I have over 20 TD CDs in my collection, spanning the lates 70s to the
present, so I can appreciate a wide span of TD's evolving style. Astrophobia
stands out to me as one of their best ever! I don't know why, maybe it just
comes down to personal tastes.
I listen to music whilst jogging and it's my favourite track for this. The
fast tempo and aggressive style really suit exercise. But then that's just
me. :-)
>firmly plants itself, thus becoming 'decoration.' In fact I think most of
>this track is fluff
>and decoration, and falls apart in having too many ideas.
I thought it all blended together very richly.
>I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like
>it's cut & paste
I've heard this criticism before, but the only album that ever really struck
me that was 'Lily on the Beach.' Everything just sounds the same on it, and
is totally unmemorable. But that was a long time ago.
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 1:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh..
Darryl Sloan wrote:
> I've heard this criticism before, but the only album that ever really struck
> me that was 'Lily on the Beach.' Everything just sounds the same on it, and
> is totally unmemorable. But that was a long time ago.
I think this is what makes the Tadream list so interesting, because I like 'Lily
on the beach' very much, especially 'Crystal curfew' is superb. Different people
with different tastes ;-)
Heiko
From:
'Darryl Sloan'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:01
pm
Subject: cut&paste music
While we're on the subject of accusing (or not) TD of putting together
cut&paste style music, I want to tell you about a little experiment I did...
I bought a program called 'Dance eJay 2', which is basically just a music
toy, for making instant dance music. But rather than stick to the supplied
samples and loops, I created my own from my Tangerine Dream CD collection.
The result was a strange, trancey amalgamation of material from Goblins'
Club, Miracle Mile, Poland, White Eagle, and others.
I've love some opinions on it. You can download as an mp3 at:
http://www.mp3.com/darrylsloan
(I hope this doesn't upset anyone, because it is, I suppose a copyright
violation. But the track is not commercial, and I even called it simply
'Tangerine Dream Tribute' in credit to the band.)
Hope you like it.
Have fun.
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh..
> I think this is what makes the Tadream list so interesting, because I like
> 'Lily
> on the beach' very much, especially 'Crystal curfew' is superb. Different
> people
> with different tastes ;-)
Woo Hoo! Let's hear it for 'Blue Mango Cafe'...
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh..
Greg, thanks for this detailed review and analysis. I've listened to Comet's
Figure Head a few more times and while it's a pretty good track, the repetition
gets kind of old, and the percussion is again excessive.
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:01 AM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh..
On the record, I'm not putting Mars Polaris down, and in fact I enjoy
numerous tracks
from this album. But when I kept hearing the praise Astrophobia had been
getting, I had
to sit down and figure out why I was having such a negative reaction to it.
I think I found
out why it has been bothering me and maybe others. The problem lies in the
compositional
style of the track -- not so much that it has numerous different ideas, but
in fact what these
ideas are and how they are presented.
When I actually listened to this track, rather then let it fall as back-beat
music in the
background, I found something terrible to me.
Repetitiveness without
evolution.___________________________________________________________
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 6:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Astrophobia? Bleh..
Hi, Greg,
> I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like
> it's cut & paste
> nature and that sort of electronic perfection of a copy seems IMO
> is hurting
> TD's sound.
> Now I know Jerome likes dance music, and if there's one place for cut &
> paste, it's dance
> music -- that's fine. But if you are sitting plopping notes in
> with a mouse
> like Mario Paint,
> something's lost...
Believe it or not, I have to agree with you here. As much as I think Jerome
is talented and has a lot of great ideas, it seems a shame he doesn't seem
to be working on his performance abilities. Too much of his music these days
seems like he just put it together in a computer, instead of actually
*playing* musical lines. I think working with a computer-based sequencer can
be very inspiring and is a wonderful compositional tool, but no matter how
fancy you get with the mouse, you just can't replace human performance.
However, the 'cut & paste' nature of some of his compositions don't bother
me much -- being a Celtic musician, I'm used to repeating melodies. ;) But I
*do* mind when he seems to fall into a 'I'll stick in a few notes here, a
sound effect here, underlie it with some cool breakbeats, and I have a
piece' mentality, which I hope he'll 'grow' out of in the near future!
That being said, Astrophobia is one of my favorite pieces on Mars Polaris.
Ain't I a hypocrite?
Take care,
Jared
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
1. Virtually Fields
2. Sojus
3. Timesquare (N.Y. Brix Mix)
4. San Rocco
5. Touchwood (The Forest Mix)
6. Flashflood
7. Astrophobia
8. Quinoa
9. Hamlet
10. Three Bikes in the Sky
You can kind of tell that Dream Mixes was my favourite TD *album* of the
90s, huh?
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Derk
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:33
pm
Subject: Raetikon / Macula Transfer
** Re: Raetikon
From: 'Marcel Engels' :
>> There were a few TD boots, one of which I found very interesting, namely
>> Raetikon (Melbourne 1982). However, all five copies I found during the day
>> were flawed (I had brought a portable CD player which just kept
>> skipping on
>> these discs). Is this a known problem with Raetikon?
>
>No, my copy works good.
>Could be there's a problem with your cd player?
Could be, but I played a few other CDs and they all sounded fine. Maybe the
fact that Raetikon is 80 minutes is a bit too much for my machine to digest.
>Raetikon is a few years old and is quite a good bootleg.
>The quality is very good and also the music on it.
From what I've heard of it, it sounded great :-(
** Re: Macula Transfer
From: 'John Marchington' :
>Without meaning to be rude, I would say you were. It's my considered opinion
>that 'Macula Transfer' is one of Edgar's best albums. The music, for me at
>any rate, is highly imaginative and covers a considerable range of moods.
&
From 'Armin Theissen' :
>Macula Transfer was called back by Froese, therefore only a limited
>number of copies around.
The jury has returned. The verdict is unanymous: I am tremendously stupid.
Oh well, maybe it'll still be there at the next fair (not!)
BTW: Do you know why Edgar recalled MT? Did he think it wasn't 'up to
standards'?
Derk
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Raetikon / Macula Transfer
> >From 'Armin Theissen' :
> >Macula Transfer was called back by Froese, therefore only a limited
> >number of copies around.
>
> The jury has returned. The verdict is unanymous: I am tremendously stupid.
>
> Oh well, maybe it'll still be there at the next fair (not!)
>
>
That depends on how much it cost. What were they asking for MT?
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 10:12
pm
Subject: EDGAR FROESE CDs for SALE!
Well, I'm a new dad, and after 20 years of TD collecting, it's time to let
some of my prized possessions go! My loss is your gain. I'm putting them up
on ebay. For starters, I've put up the following on EBAY that are now
available over the next 10 days:
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
Stuntman
Pinnacles
Macula Transfer
Ages
Aqua
COMING SOON: I also have for sale many other rare TD items, including TDI THE
KEEP, an autographed The Man Inside soundtrack, ElecOrg and Johannes
Schmoelling's original ZOO of TRANQUILITY CD. Email for details.
Thanks!
_Alan Cox
(author of the quote, Crap under glass in the Smithsonian is still crap).
From:
'Greg'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 1:28
am
Subject: Percussive Transitions?
So what is the genius of TD in the past 10 years since Jerome has began?
Well maybe it
isn't exactly genius but what I have noticed with the influx of percussive
heavy BPM
meandering is the use of percussion to transition small melodic parts. I
think this idea has
been used for quite a while and on some albums it's pretty dominant. I mean
it used to
sound like that cheesy button on cheap keyboards where you would hit it and
it would
alter the drum loop for a second..
old sequence -> tat.. tat.. tat.. tat.. tat.. tat.. [transition] tatata ta
ta new sequence -> ..
tata.. tata.. tata..
This isn't a new idea but it seems to be one that the current TD enjoys to
use. I think it's
another dance hand down the way it's employed with back beats and drum
machine
percussive effects.
I think maybe Jerome feels he can replace sequencers with drumming or at
least incur a
similar effect.
It almost seems to me that they build the structure of the music and melody
out of a
completed performance of drumming.. at least to me the short musical ideas
between the
drumming would make sense.
Greg H.
NP: Comet Figure Head
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:21
am
Subject: You think bootleggers use the same logic you or I do?
<< no not joking...perhaps a little overly
curious. of course i know it is a bootleg but
even a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3
song TD cd would be prudent to make sure that it
held just TD content. >>
You seriously think a 'bootleg producer' has any
kind of ethics or morality? You don't think a
bootleg producer might deliberately put something
on a bootleg, to make it look like he has found
some rare, never before heard recording no one
else has, or, in this case, a more complete
version of the show than any other bootlegger?
Some of these people are very swifty, and they
don't care HOW they get your money. I do have to
say, I've never heard of someone going so far as
to actually include a track by a completely
different artist on a bootleg, as is the case
with Phaedream.
<>
That depends. I'm assuming whoever it is who is
responsible for Phaedream was hoping someone
would see it in a store and say 'Hey, I've got
this show already, but this has some material
missing from my tape', and they'll buy it. If it
sells a few more copies, the incorrect
information on the cover is valuable to the
producers of the item. I mean, they're already
breaking the law by producing the thing in the
first place. I don't think they're too broken up
about the idea of committing a little false
advertising or consumer fraud in the process.
<< i am just trying to understand why it would be
more profitable to include an uncredited
Neuronium track on a TD cd, bootleg or not.>>
Actually, I don't get it, myself. For the trouble
this person went to, they could have easily stuck
on some other common TD track. Then again, a
local record store near me that sells bootleg
videos frequently sticks bonus material on the
tape, in addition to whatever is actually listed
on the cover. I've come across some pretty cool
things that way.
=====
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From:
'Derk'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 11:01
am
Subject: Re: Macula Transfer
From: Joel Mullen
>> Oh well, maybe it'll still be there at the next fair (not!)
>
>That depends on how much it cost. What were they asking for MT?
Can't remember exactly but it was somewhere in the region of 30-35 guilders,
which amounts to something like $15. Not really that much at all, but I was
fooled by the fact that it was a new release and so I thought chances were
that I could pick it up for a better price elsewhere. Knowing what I know
now, it was a bargain of course...
Derk
From:
'Darryl Sloan'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:20
pm
Subject: bootleg track listings?
What with all the recent talk about bootlegs, I'm very curious to hear this
material.
Can anyone offer some tracks listings? I'd like to see if I can hunt some of
it down on Napster.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 3:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
Agreed. An 'Official' bootleg is an oxymoron.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
>
> I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much
> to me. As long as it's CD quality.
>
> -Morgan
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 3:52
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Ozrics
how was the sound? I heard that the keyboards were buried in the mix on
some shows this tour.
I'm looking forward to seeing them tomorrow!
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...]
> Subject: [tadream] Ozrics
> had a blast Vic,
> their new cd is awesome. i bet i have played it 5 or 6
> times. can't wait to get the results of what Craig was
> packing. ...>
> >P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
> >People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
>
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] bootleg track listings?
Darryl Sloan wrote:
>
> What with all the recent talk about bootlegs, I'm very curious to hear this
> material.
>
> Can anyone offer some tracks listings?
Visit http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:45
pm
Subject: discussion poll results
FYI:
I had forgotten about the discussion poll, but I just checked and here are
the results:
Choices Votes % 41 replies
discuss Boots/fan CDRs 14 34.15%
discuss Solo works 19 46.34%
discuss neither 1 2.44%
discuss both simultaneously 7 17.07%
These ballot results have been certified by the Florida Secretary of State
to be accurate after 15 hand recounts.
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:41
pm
Subject: Edgar SOLO CDs on EBAY
Per someone's request on this list, here are the urls for the Edgar Froese
cds I put up on ebay:
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498129963
Aqua
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498141508
Ages
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498847946
Macula Tranfer
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498150980
Stuntman
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498155098
Pinnacles
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=498136252
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 6:04
pm
Subject: [tadream] i-Box
Hi all,
Some observations about the i-box:
The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan')
There is in fact unreleased live material on discs 4, 5 and 6, not just on 5
and 6 as previously stated on the TDI site
The track times given on the sleeve are very inaccurate
The Perth live set on CD 6 is stated as being two tracks, but it actually
plays as only one continuous track, and the transition between the two is
very badly edited (it sounds like the record jumped!)
There are three tracks which were only previously available on the
'Tangents' box set
One studio track has not been 'Tangentised', namely 'Cliffs of Sydney', the
last track on disc 3, it's the same as the original album version. The
majority of the other studio tracks were previously available on 'Tangents'
or 'The Dream Roots Collection'.
You can of course find out more on my site at the following address:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html
Paul
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 6:37
pm
Subject: Repost - Anyone heard from Edom Yannick (CDR Project)
REPOST - Someone must have an answer, or is the project dead.
Hi all
I've sent a couple emails to Edom regarding the CDR project, but I've
heard nothing back. Have any of you had any communication with him
recently?
I really need to know when the cut off date is for him receiving the
tracks, etc.
All the best
--
Richard Ford
From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 6:47
pm
Subject: Re:TD'S Top Ten
Hi here is my Top Ten.
1.Comet's Figure Head
2.Toward's the Evening Star
3.Waterborne
4.Electric Lion
5.San Rocco
6.Three Bikes in the Sky
7.Firetongues
8.Art of Destruction
9.Rising Haul in Silence
10.Bride in Cold Tears
Cheers Gary
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box
Paul Fellows wrote:
>
> Some observations about the i-box:
> [...]
> You can of course find out more on my site at the following address:
>
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html
Thanks Paul! Your message and your site have just answered to all the
questions I was going to ask about the i-box. Thanks again.
Antonio Nunes
np: The 7 Letters from Tibet
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From:
'Darryl Sloan'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:44
am
Subject: 'Dream of Trance'
I recently got hold of a terrific trance tune called 'Dream of Trance' as an
mp3. Tangerine Dream are credited as the composers, but it sounds absolutely
NOTHING like TD - not even remotely like Jerome's dance music leanings.
Anyone confirm or deny?
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance'
if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name on
the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darryl Sloan [mailto:darrylsloan@h...]
>
> I recently got hold of a terrific trance tune called 'Dream
> of Trance' as an
> mp3. Tangerine Dream are credited as the composers, but it
> sounds absolutely
> NOTHING like TD - not even remotely like Jerome's dance music
> leanings.
>
> Anyone confirm or deny?
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance'
On Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:03 PM, Joe Shoults
[SMTP:joes@f...] wrote:
> if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name on
> the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time.
>
Some people put their own compostions on napster with popular group info
and titles just to get people to listen to them. You get what you pay for.
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
That's not what I meant. I don't encourage bootleg profiteering. Except for 1-2
(Ratikon, by coincidence is one of them) pressed bootleg CDs (silver bottom,
and mass-produced [100+] copies), all of my concert material is CDRs of the
bootleg CDs or mp3s I've downloaded. An 'Official' bootleg is mass-produced and
usually sold at high prices ($30+).
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Shoults
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:50 AM
To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
Agreed. An 'Official' bootleg is an oxymoron.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
..
>
> I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much
> to me. As long as it's CD quality.
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 9:41
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
I meant it was an oxymoron in that since it is a boot, it cannot be
official. As in 'official' can only mean from the official source- TDI. (Or
whomever legally owns it)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:10 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
>
>
> That's not what I meant. I don't encourage bootleg
> profiteering. Except for 1-2 (Ratikon, by coincidence is one
> of them) pressed bootleg CDs (silver bottom, and
> mass-produced [100+] copies), all of my concert material is
> CDRs of the bootleg CDs or mp3s I've downloaded. An
> 'Official' bootleg is mass-produced and usually sold at high
> prices ($30+).
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Shoults
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:50 AM
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
>
>
> Agreed. An 'Official' bootleg is an oxymoron.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> ..
> >
> > I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much
> > to me. As long as it's CD quality.
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 9:23
pm
Subject: D:Compilation [Antique Dreams]
I first posted this review of Antique Dreams within a few weeks of its release.
It was the first TD album I've bought in 5 years without having read several
reviews about it and debating whether that $20 could be better spent elsewhere.
After loving Electronic Orgy (a 4CD bootleg set of TD's rarest and hardest to
find [mostly out-of-print] tracks around), I was anxious to see Edgar's answer
to it. While he still felt the need to spruce up, update, re-edit (track 4,
Flock [Tatort soundtrack] has lost the most compelling twist in the melody)
much of the material, we also get some archived material in pristine quality
that most TD fans thought would probably never grace a genuine silver CD.
Antique Dreams is not without problems. As was demonstrated with Soundmill
Navigator, the Tangs are no experts at sound filtering and cleaning. The first
2 tracks of Antique Dreams are plagued with tape hiss that could easily have
been eliminated. There are also errors in the dates and venues listed in the
liner notes which some have attributed to a forgiveable copyright dodge. if
they are simple mistakes, then it's quite silly.
It has also been brought up that, without any notification, the scope of
Antique Dreams shifted from a much awaited 1974-1983 compilation to a fairly
exciting 1974-1988 disc. Also, the two 1974 tracks received short shrift, with
Oedipus shortened by 3-4 minutes and only the first half of Ultima Thule
bearing representation here.
Ultimately, the positives of Antique Dreams narrowly outweigh the negatives and
I think it's worth a buy. As to whether Antique Dreams is a sign of things to
come, or but a blip on the radar for diehard TD fans dying for true archival
releases, only the master knows.
Here's the original review I posted earlier this year (with corrections marked
with **):
In the few years I have been on this list, I have griped, complained,
whined, moaned, and overall bitched about Edgar’s refusal to release
undoctored ‘classic’ Tangerine Dream tracks, ESPECIALLY ones that we cannot
otherwise get on CD. It’s one thing for Tangents and Dream Roots, because
most of us already own the original component albums. It was quite another
thing for the likes of Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator to represent
themselves as classic releases, even though in reality they were major
surgeries and overdubs of the original material.
Edgar, if you are paying attention, THANK YOU!
Folks, you know I’m a TD purist, to a fault. I bitch if something has gone
under the surgery knife or gotten the faux vocals and cheap strings
treatment. We’ve had people on the list joke about how out-of-tune and how
grossly uncaring some of the Tangentization has seemed to be in past
releases.
So what’s the verdict?
Antique Dreams is so good, I'd pay $14 for this CD for tracks 1, 2, and 3
alone! Alas, the purists on this list want to know what's on the whole CD,
so that’s why this e-mail is so long! Even the liner notes are done well,
except for the spelling of Johannes Schmoelling’s last name in one place and
some incorrect dates (which may have been changed to get Relativity to buzz
off). I don’t have all the fantapes these pieces are polled from, but the
ones I do, I compare and enumerate below. When I say vintage below, it means
that the sounds are almost identical to sounds used around the same era and
could be confused for the originals. If Edgar is going to change things
around, we appreciate it so much when he uses vintage sounds.
So without further ado, my complete review of Antique Dreams...
01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture 1974
If you have not heard this, then you don’t know what you are missing!
Soundwise, it is halfway between the sounds of Atem and Zeit, and the sounds
of Phaedra. My first exposure to this track was EO, which was pulled from an
LP. The best part its appearance on this CD? Nothing is stripped away and
the added sounds are VINTAGE!!! This track is SO crystal clear compared to
the one on EO. There are just a few additions here, a very occasional
abstract 'antelope scream', a stutter-step bass, and a bit more melody.
Maybe my ears deceive me, but I think some of it has been passed through a
reverb filter too. I'm surprised the tape hiss wasn't removed, but once you
get past that, this track is just amazing. [5AS]
** This track was edited down about 4 minutes, regrettibly.
02. Ultima Thule pt 1
Well, in my last e-mail, I said that this track was untouched. Having played
the CD in my home theater system instead of my car’s CD player, I can hear
that the introduction is indeed slightly different. Some kind of ghosting
effect has been added. It doesn't hurt anything really, it's just different.
The meat of this track is untouched, and other than the intro, the only
major addition is an on-key, vintage-sounding analogue horn-type sound which
just further melodifies the existing song. It doesn't muddy things up much
and it's not unwelcome. In short, this track is still heaven! Again, the
sound clarity here rivals EO any day. [5AS]
** Urgh. So where's Ultima Thule pt 2?
03. Calymba City 1981
Ack! I mislabeled this track in my last e-mail. It has no relationship to
Horns of Doom except that it was sometimes played *after* Horns of Doom.
Well durnit! I don't have the fantape for this particular show, and the
liner notes just say “during the 1981 European tour”, but I can compare to
other material I have. It is so unbelievable to get unreleased, virtually
untouched stuff from this era.
The funny thing is that I just expected this to be an excerpt of the first
bit and then that would be it! Then, boom, it jumps into the second passage,
which I have been wanting on an original CD *FOREVER*!! This is actually
two passages, totalling 10 minutes!!!
The two segments are almost identical to:
1. Electrobeats 1998 show 'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum' clip
from 4:10-8:40
2. Outback Voices CDR around the 49 minute mark.
** The version of this track on the Electrobeats 1998 show included the
Speed-like part before and excluded the Outback Voices part. Honestly, the
Speed-like part is different enough that people would have appreciated it.
What's wrong with accepting history? The fact is, Horns of Doom and that type
of melody existed in so many different forms (Silver Scale and Antennenwald
anyone?) throughout 1980-1982.
Three words: Untouched, Untouched, and Untouched! [5AS]
4. Flock of Bluebirds 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Flock)
Well, we knew there would have to be *some* Tangentization on this CD...
This entire track is Tangentizized. The new stuff is totally year 2000
sounds and the original melodies are played about 75% volume underneath. To
be honest folks, it sounds like the entire track is from scratch, even what
is supposed to be the original, because the sequencing is different from the
one on EO.
** My confusion above. This track is pretty butchered, with a great melody
twist completely left out. If you want to know why 1990's and 2000 TD sounds
the way it does, notice what the editing does to this track. It rips the soul
out of it.
So we have to look at this as a new track, 'inspired' by the original.
Fortunately, the Tatort soundtrack is available undoctored. [2.5AS]
5. Speed Dragon 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Speed)
Here we go again, 100% Tangentized. No attempt is made to blend vintage
sounds in, so it's a case of the original track at about 75-80% volume with
new stuff on top. [2.5AS]
6. Edinburgh Castle 1980 (Sobornost)
Enough Tangentization here to make me cringe... as I listen to it now, I
wish it would go away! But alas, the faux vocals and strings are here to
stay. This track is 8:46 long too... Urgh. This was always played as a dark,
almost dismal piece, and now it’s being brightened like a spritz of a
Febreze bottle. Bleh! Hang onto your copy of the Newcastle or Bristol UK
1981 show. [2AS]
7. Moorland (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Moorland)
This CD is full of surprises!!! After the major Tangentization of the two
Tatort tracks above and what happened to Sobornost, my heart was starting to
sink. So I was surprised to hear very little doctoring to Moorland. The few
changes are all *vintage* and done very well. This beats the heck out of the
EO version. The only significant addition is strings at the end, but again
they are vintage and ADD to the original. I know a lot of people passively
say “the changes aren’t that big a deal” and then the purists scream that
ANY change is evil. Well, as a purist, I don’t mind the changes in *this*
track. [5AS]
8. Sorcerer and Thief 1981
“Performed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling at the Mill Valley Film
Festival, SF 1981”
1981? Not quite.
However, it *is* wonderful to have a mint condition recording of tracks 11
and 12 of the Antarktis concert CDR (recorded in 1987)!!! Sorcerer
soundtrack “Betrayal” and then Thief soundtrack “Diamond Diary” as
remixed
and played live by EF, CF, and Paul Haslinger(?). Virtually untouched from
the 1987 concerts! [5AS]
Edgar is really making me do my research on these vintage tracks, pulling
out SOD, EO, and other CDRs, etc.!
9. Southend Mill (1985 unused LeParc soundtrack piece)
I listened to the whole Antique Dreams CD without looking at the tracklist,
to see what my reactions would be. So it’s no wonder that I sat listening to
this track puzzled! My first guess was that Edgar had indeed invented a
track for Antique Dreams.
From the liner notes, this is “composed and performed by Edgar Froese at
Eastgate Studios Vienna—originally planned to be part of the LeParc
production”. So this is one of those “based on the idea for an original
track whose original version we will never hear”. Oh well, you can hear the
1985 concepts and the year 2000 concepts on top. It’s amazing the old and
new ideas, how they are so drastically different. This would sound at home
on LeParc or Oasis. Anyway, it’s nice to have material we’ve never heard
before. [3.5AS]
** Anyone have a copy of the original 1987 Zoning soundtrack? E-mail me
off-list!
10. Cool breeze of Brighton 1986 (Vermillion Sands)
Three words to describe this! VERMILLION SANDS, UNTOUCHED!!! There is
NOTHING missing, even the wonderful guitar solo by Edgar and bassline are
there. Is it possible to give a 6AS? [5AS]
11. Phaedra of Nottingham 1990 (Phaedra 86 + part of Livemiles track 2)
If you have heard the version of Phaedra on Tangents, or you have Valentine
Wheels (Classic Set, right?) then you have essentially heard this. The
decending drum sequence (used heavily on Miracle Mile) has been emphasized.
Another surprise! This contains the first 45 seconds of the second
Albuquerque track of Livemiles. This can’t be 1990, because it is almost
identical to 23:29-28:20 of Spherical Harmonics (1986). [4AS]
12. House of the Rising Sun 1988 New Orleans
Ok, a tangentized version of a remixed [**] cover of an original
song!
Maybe this recording is accurate to the New Orleans concert, but I don’t
like the boys choir sounds as much as the one on the EO version. They’re too
subdued. I mean, the boys choir was the LEAD of the track before and now
it’s a background. Now, this track sounds like a lot of chiefs and no
indians, nothing leading the track.
Some melody has been added—it’s vintage but noticable. I guess it’s
Edgar’s
prerogative to remix things as he sees fit, but as a listener, I like the
other version MUCH better. There is some *obvious* Tangentization at the
end, cause it trails off 3 seconds after the song fades out. For those who
have not heard this track, it is one of the few really “cheery” tracks TD
has played, such as Dominion and Cinnamon Road. 2AS (original version 3.5AS)
Well, TD has produced the first [**1990's/2000's] CD that EVERY diehard
Tangerine Dream fan
should buy! Edgar still changed a few bits around here and there, and did
the usual surgery on a few tracks, but it’s obvious he either ran out of
time and *couldn’t* make changes to some tracks, or he has heeded the lists
cries for hands-free releasing. Tracks 1,2,3,7,8,10 and 12 did not go under
the scalpel and I’m just sitting here--a drooling gibbering mess. I am
anxious to hear other people’s responses to Antique Dreams; I know I’m going
to play it until my CD player blows up.
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From:
'Darryl Sloan'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 4:25
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance'
> > if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name
>on
> > the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time.
> >
>
>Some people put their own compostions on napster with popular group info
>and titles just to get people to listen to them. You get what you pay for.
I guess so! :-)
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From:
'Darryl Sloan'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 4:23
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance'
>if you got it from napster or something, anybody could have put any name on
>the mp3 info. I see misspelled and misnamed files there all the time.
I did.
I even saw 'Tubular Bells - Tangerine Dream' !
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Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] bootleg track listings?
> > Can anyone offer some tracks listings?
>
>Visit http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm
Cheers! Just what I needed.
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Dream of Trance'
> From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...]
>
>
> Some people put their own compostions on napster with popular group info
> and titles just to get people to listen to them. You get what
> you pay for.
Yeah and a lot of people send messages to this
mailing list with the info that they are no. 1
at the MP3.com TOP40 of Electronic Music and
that they have got a track called 'Tribute to
Tangerine Dream'...
Don't know about you but for me reading this info
they reach the opposite of what they want. :-)
Marcel
From:
'tom george'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream
thanks Klaus for the great explanation. now i see it in a whole new light. i
had just presumed that these were made by extreme fans.
tom
--
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:47:11 Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>>a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be
>>prudent to make sure that it held just TD content.
>
>Tom, what makes you think that ?
>
>Most bootleg producers are in it for the money, nothing else.
>
>I presume that the maker of Phaedream got his hands on a
>tape that was marked 'TD London 1975', and that had the
>Neuronium track on it as a filler. My best bet would be
>that he never even knew it was something different,
>and didn't give a rat's ass, anyway.
>
>The cesspool that turned up Phaedream used to announce
>20-40 bootleg CDs a month, literally ranging from Abba
>to Zappa. No way he (they) are experts/fans of all
>these groups.
>
>cheers,
>klaus
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:46
am
Subject: Re: Astrophobia? Bleh..
>>I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the music is becoming like
>>it's cut & paste
>I've heard this criticism before, but the only album that ever really struck
>me that was 'Lily on the Beach.' Everything just sounds the same on it, and
>is totally unmemorable. But that was a long time ago.
>Darryl Sloan
Funny, after few plays Lily became one of my favourites.
I agree that there are some forgettable tracks in there,
maybe because of the quantity - 13 tracks. Tracks like
Gecko maybe could be discarded. But there are many great
tracks in LOTB, like Valley of the Kings (which is my
favourite in this album), THFMChinchilla, and Crystal Curfew.
I always wanted to buy Mars, and now with all the polemics
I'm really looking forward to it.
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:43
am
Subject: Quinoa Question
The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live
at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any
experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc?
Vic
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:43
am
Subject: OT: Ozrics in Cleveland
Hi all--
Since it seems as though at least three others on this list are planning to
attend tomorrow's Ozric Tentacles show in Cleveland, I should probably
mention that I'll be there too. If for some reason you care to identify me,
I'll most likely be wearing my Seven Letters from Tibet T-shirt (though if
it's too cold I may have a Mount Union College sweatshirt instead).
Hope to see you there.
--Daniel
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa Question
The Cave is one of Tangerine Dream's studios.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Rek
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:32 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Quinoa Question
The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live
at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any
experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc?
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 3:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream
Hey Tom, how much is that CD worth now? :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tom george'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream
> thanks Klaus for the great explanation. now i see it in a whole new light.
i had just presumed that these were made by extreme fans.
> tom
> --
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:47:11 Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> >>a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would be
> >>prudent to make sure that it held just TD content.
> >
> >Tom, what makes you think that ?
> >
> >Most bootleg producers are in it for the money, nothing else.
> >
> >I presume that the maker of Phaedream got his hands on a
> >tape that was marked 'TD London 1975', and that had the
> >Neuronium track on it as a filler. My best bet would be
> >that he never even knew it was something different,
> >and didn't give a rat's ass, anyway.
> >
> >The cesspool that turned up Phaedream used to announce
> >20-40 bootleg CDs a month, literally ranging from Abba
> >to Zappa. No way he (they) are experts/fans of all
> >these groups.
> >
> >cheers,
> >klaus
> >
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:24
am
Subject: Re : [tadream] i-Box
Just one extra observation, there are in fact three 'untangentised' tracks
on the set (i.e. original album versions), not one as I said before.
Paul
----------
>De: Antonio Nunes
> : tadream@egroups.com
>Objet: Re: [tadream] i-Box
>Date: Mar 14 nov 2000 20:08
>
>
>
> Paul Fellows wrote:
>>
>> Some observations about the i-box:
>> [...]
>> You can of course find out more on my site at the following address:
>>
>> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html
>
> Thanks Paul! Your message and your site have just answered to all the
> questions I was going to ask about the i-box. Thanks again.
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
> np: The 7 Letters from Tibet
>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 9:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedream
hey Frank,
it's value hasn't changed. it is still worth whatever someone else will pay
for it. :-)
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:08:12 Frank Arellano wrote:
>
>Hey Tom, how much is that CD worth now? :-)
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From:
'Andreas Hedler'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:36
am
Subject: Re: i-Box
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
>
> Paul Fellows wrote:
> >
> > Some observations about the i-box:
> > [...]
> > You can of course find out more on my site at the
following address:
> >
> > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html
>
> Thanks Paul! Your message and your site have just answered
to all the
> questions I was going to ask about the i-box. Thanks again.
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
> np: The 7 Letters from Tibet
Hi Antonio,
if you want to buy the i-box be sure that there are NO new
tracks on it! Also the so called unreleased live tracks from
the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling phase are only tangentised
studio tracks! Even the Perth concert is not live! It was cut
from already known studio material!
Best wishes,
Andreas
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 6:48
pm
Subject: technical question: CDR-90
Hi all,
a technical question: has any of you tried the new 90-min CDRs
for audio purposes ? I've ordered a few, and my burner is
compatible with them, but I'm wondering about the readability
in 'normal' audio equipment.
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 7:51
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] i-Box
Hi all,
This is a rather surprising reaction. I don't know what anyone else with a
copy of the i-Box thinks, but there are certainly live tracks in this set
that were previously unavailable. As to whether they are only Tangentised
studio tracks however, I doubt this, although it's undeniable that this has
often been the case in the past.
I didn't just throw the information together in a haphazard way, I spent an
afternoon going through it track by track, pulling out the original tracks
to make the comparisons (even comparing track times), and I think the
information given is pretty accurate.
Any thoughts from anyone out there?
Paul
----------
>De: 'Andreas Hedler'
> : tangerinedream@egroups.com
>Objet: [tangerinedream] Re: i-Box
>Date: Mer 15 nov 2000 12:27
>
> Hi Paul,
> did you listen carefully to the so called unreleased live
> tracks (especially the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling ones)?
> They are all only the stuio recordings tangentised as also the
> whole Sohoman was!
> As far as I can see there are NO new tracks on that sh..
> 6-CD-box!
> Andreas
>
> --- In tangerinedream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows'
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Some observations about the i-box:
>>
>> The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan')
>>
>> There is in fact unreleased live material on discs 4, 5 and
> 6, not just on 5
>> and 6 as previously stated on the TDI site
>>
>> The track times given on the sleeve are very inaccurate
>>
>> The Perth live set on CD 6 is stated as being two tracks,
> but it actually
>> plays as only one continuous track, and the transition
> between the two is
>> very badly edited (it sounds like the record jumped!)
>>
>> There are three tracks which were only previously available
> on the
>> 'Tangents' box set
>>
>> One studio track has not been 'Tangentised', namely 'Cliffs
> of Sydney', the
>> last track on disc 3, it's the same as the original album
> version. The
>> majority of the other studio tracks were previously
> available on 'Tangents'
>> or 'The Dream Roots Collection'.
>>
>> You can of course find out more on my site at the following
> address:
>>
>> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html
>>
>> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 7:58
pm
Subject: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
doin' a bit o' shoppin' on-line, decide that i need to hop on over to
amazon.com and (because they know my hidden desires) the front page is geared
towards me... and what does it read:
Paul Haslinger: Score
Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream in the mid-1980s, but while that
German synth band cranks along like an alien Edsel that doesn't realize its
time has gone, Haslinger has been building a catalog of cutting-edge music that
will take us into the next millennium.
it goes on to blow PH's horn... the rephew is by a one John Diliberto...
an alien Edsel? what the hell kind of image is that... ? Edsel is about as
american as you can get... strange reference for a German band, no?
and the reason the Edsel was a flop was because it was nothing special, just
your all around regular car... so what it is the alien version... your all
around regular interstellar jalopy?
sigh... gimme the days when men were men and critics THOUGHT before posting...
j.gordon
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:29
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] technical question: CDR-90
I haven't tried them, but I would guess you would have the same problems as
you would reading a disk that is overburned- it will just gag when it gets
out to the outer part of the CD on a non-compatible player. only a guess.
JOe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
> a technical question: has any of you tried the new 90-min CDRs
> for audio purposes ? I've ordered a few, and my burner is
> compatible with them, but I'm wondering about the readability
> in 'normal' audio equipment.
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
well, not that I agree with him, but Mr. Diliberto is well reknowned as a
New Age/Ambient/Electronic music critic and DJ, with enough experience (one
would presume) to know to think before posting. I doubt he did not
deliberate his post! haha
> -----Original Message-----
...
> it goes on to blow PH's horn... the rephew is by a one John
> Diliberto...
> .
>
From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
>an alien Edsel? what the hell kind of >image is that... ? Edsel is
about as >american as you can get... strange >reference for a German
band, no?
In America, a reference to the Edsel is usually meant to imply that
something is way out of date. Kinda like dinosaurs and quick, easy
elections.
Mike
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
> In America, a reference to the Edsel is usually meant to imply that
> something is way out of date. Kinda like dinosaurs and quick, easy
> elections.
> Mike
actually, the reference to Edsel is a reference to something that is a flop or
a failure, as opposed to out of date...
when Ford was hyping this car, they were saying it was going to be the next
best thing to sex... and faster... people were ready, they were drooling for
this car to be released... and when it came out and they found out that it had
four tires and a steering wheel, just like every other car, the public was
disappointed with a capital D...
the car never sold but a handful, and is recorded as one of the biggest auto
failures of the century...
so i ask you, is this a good allusion?... i think not, for several different
reasons...
j.gordon
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:51
pm
Subject: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
Hello everyone.
Sorry I seem to have neglected the 'Top 10' tracks by
Edgar & Jerome (and thank you Frank for keeping an eye
on the first votes!)
I'll remind everyone the criteria for voting in this
poll for Radio Rak a little later (when I basically
get some time) and I'll begin to start totting up the
points, along with Frank.
And I'll post my top ten a little later (I must admit
I haven't thought about it...)
We had 35 folks voting for the last poll (best albums)
- let's see if we can better that.
Roger
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
Um. An Edsel, as far as I know, refers to a product that nobody wants,
especially a pet project (Edsel was named after Ford's wife right?). 90's TD is
largely Edsels to be real honest.
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: spawnofcthulhu@w...
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:30 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
>an alien Edsel? what the hell kind of >image is that... ? Edsel is
about as >american as you can get... strange >reference for a German
band, no?
In America, a reference to the Edsel is usually meant to imply that
something is way out of date. Kinda like dinosaurs and quick, easy
elections.
Mike
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
I don't listen to critics or even general consensus. I went to the 'best
Margarita place in town'. I wouldn't send enemies there.
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Shoults
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:18 PM
To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
well, not that I agree with him, but Mr. Diliberto is well reknowned as a
New Age/Ambient/Electronic music critic and DJ, with enough experience (one
would presume) to know to think before posting. I doubt he did not
deliberate his post! haha
> -----Original Message-----
..
> it goes on to blow PH's horn... the rephew is by a one John
> Diliberto...
> .
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 9:42
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box
> The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan')
What if they were actually refering to LAN (network), but again LAN would be
spelled with capital letters.
Just a thought
Jan
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 10:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
'j.gordon' quoted amazon.com:
> Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream in the mid-1980s, but while
that
> German synth band cranks along like an alien Edsel that doesn't realize its
> time has gone (...)
That's funny, amazon.com is also selling Tangerine Dream CDs! How can
they sell albums from a band that 'cranks along like an alien Edsel that
doesn't realize its time has gone'? Of course the answer is $$$
Antonio Nunes
np: Antique Dreams
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 10:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box
So they misspelled it No Man's Land on the 1982 Hyperborea release?
----- Original Message -----
From: Pergamon
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:48 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box
> The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan')
What if they were actually refering to LAN (network), but again LAN would be
spelled with capital letters.
Just a thought
Jan
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:07
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
>That's funny, amazon.com is also selling Tangerine Dream CDs! How can
>they sell albums from a band that 'cranks along like an alien Edsel that
>doesn't realize its time has gone'? Of course the answer is $$$
>Antonio Nunes
Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much....
glenn
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:54
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
>
> Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much....
Probably TD don't sell much at Amazon, but look at the latest best
sales top 10 chart from Groove:
1: Tangerine Dream - I-Box (6CD)
2: Tangerine Dream - Stereolight (12')
3: Tangerine Dream - Astrophobia (red supernova remix) (12')
4: Tangerine Dream - Meng tian (Smart Machine remix) (12')
5: Sueno Latino - Sueno latino (CD-S)
6: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Freeze framez (12')
7: Namlook & Jenssen, Geir - Fires of Ork 2 (CD)
8: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Serenely confident (12')
9: Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow (CD)
10: Synergy - Audion (CD)
Antonio Nunes
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 4:05
am
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
Hi, folks,
Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
> Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> >
> > Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much....
>
> Probably TD don't sell much at Amazon, but look at the latest best
> sales top 10 chart from Groove:
>
> 1: Tangerine Dream - I-Box (6CD)
> 2: Tangerine Dream - Stereolight (12')
> 3: Tangerine Dream - Astrophobia (red supernova remix) (12')
> 4: Tangerine Dream - Meng tian (Smart Machine remix) (12')
> 5: Sueno Latino - Sueno latino (CD-S)
> 6: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Freeze framez (12')
> 7: Namlook & Jenssen, Geir - Fires of Ork 2 (CD)
> 8: TDJ Rome (Jerome Froese) - Serenely confident (12')
> 9: Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow (CD)
> 10: Synergy - Audion (CD)
Wow, there are several aspects of this top ten list that surprise me. First
of all, it looks like there must still be a lot of people out there with
turntables! (Well, maybe all the DJs are buying those singles....) Secondly,
I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great album (I think
my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular right now. Any
other big Synergy fans out there?
Jared
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 4:17
am
Subject: RE:dilliberto
He wrote many positive articles and interviews with TD in the past...Hr must
have been a fan at one time...I used to try alot of stuff he recommended,
but our tastes have diverged significantly in the past 6 or 7 years...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:glenn@f...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:07 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
>
>
> >That's funny, amazon.com is also selling Tangerine Dream CDs! How can
> >they sell albums from a band that 'cranks along like an alien Edsel that
> >doesn't realize its time has gone'? Of course the answer is $$$
> >Antonio Nunes
>
> Amazon is big enough to carry artists and albums that dont sell much....
>
> glenn
>
>
>
>
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 7:27
am
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh...
At 08:05 PM 11/15/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Secondly,
>I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great album (I think
>my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular right now. Any
>other big Synergy fans out there?
>
>Jared
Right here dude! Just saw him live a few weeks ago!
Later,
Oscar
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 5:10
am
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Synergy: was Damn, that's harsh...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: odean@m... [mailto:odean@m...]
> >Secondly,
> >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a great
> album (I think
> >my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so popular
> right now. Any
> >other big Synergy fans out there?
> >
> >Jared
>
> Right here dude! Just saw him live a few weeks ago!
Who, Larry Fast? What's he up to these days? Man, it'd be awesome if he'd
release a new Synergy album. The time is ripe!
Regards,
Jared
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 7:54
am
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
Antonio,
>Probably TD don't sell much at Amazon, but look at the latest best
>sales top 10 chart from Groove:
Groove is an electronic music mail order company so obviously their sales
chart will reflect that TD has released something new. What is also
interesting to note is that their sales chart change very much from week to
week, so this means TD sold alot THIS week because they got something new -
everyone ordered it - but we dont know what happens next week.
Glenn
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new release now)
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
www.egroups.com/group/reviewtalk
From:
'Andreas Hedler'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:03
am
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] i-Box
Hi,
if you think so, that wil be O.K. for you! For me the
Franke/Froese/Schmoelling live tracks don't sound like really
new live tracks. And the rest of the box is redundant.
Nevertheless enjoy it!
Andreas
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows'
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is a rather surprising reaction. I don't know what
anyone else with a
> copy of the i-Box thinks, but there are certainly live
tracks in this set
> that were previously unavailable. As to whether they are
only Tangentised
> studio tracks however, I doubt this, although it's
undeniable that this has
> often been the case in the past.
>
> I didn't just throw the information together in a haphazard
way, I spent an
> afternoon going through it track by track, pulling out the
original tracks
> to make the comparisons (even comparing track times), and I
think the
> information given is pretty accurate.
>
> Any thoughts from anyone out there?
>
> Paul
>
> ----------
> >De: 'Andreas Hedler'
> > : tangerinedream@egroups.com
> >Objet: [tangerinedream] Re: i-Box
> >Date: Mer 15 nov 2000 12:27
> >
>
> > Hi Paul,
> > did you listen carefully to the so called unreleased live
> > tracks (especially the Franke/Froese/Schmoelling ones)?
> > They are all only the stuio recordings tangentised as also
the
> > whole Sohoman was!
> > As far as I can see there are NO new tracks on that sh..
> > 6-CD-box!
> > Andreas
> >
> > --- In tangerinedream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows'
> > wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Some observations about the i-box:
> >>
> >> The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan')
> >>
> >> There is in fact unreleased live material on discs 4, 5
and
> > 6, not just on 5
> >> and 6 as previously stated on the TDI site
> >>
> >> The track times given on the sleeve are very inaccurate
> >>
> >> The Perth live set on CD 6 is stated as being two tracks,
> > but it actually
> >> plays as only one continuous track, and the transition
> > between the two is
> >> very badly edited (it sounds like the record jumped!)
> >>
> >> There are three tracks which were only previously
available
> > on the
> >> 'Tangents' box set
> >>
> >> One studio track has not been 'Tangentised', namely
'Cliffs
> > of Sydney', the
> >> last track on disc 3, it's the same as the original album
> > version. The
> >> majority of the other studio tracks were previously
> > available on 'Tangents'
> >> or 'The Dream Roots Collection'.
> >>
> >> You can of course find out more on my site at the
following
> > address:
> >>
> >> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ibox.html
> >>
> >> Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
From:
'Andreas Hedler'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:21
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Synergy
Larry Fast's homepage (http://synergy-emusic.com/) states:
'It looks like the next new Synergy album will have to be put
off even a little longer (sorry).
For the next few months I'll be working with Walt
Disney Imagineering to create several
hours of new music mixes for the Port Discovery area of
the new DisneySea park being built
near Tokyo. There will be new Synergy music heard
inside and outside of buildings in this
part of the park as well as music connected to one of
the water ride attractions that will be
visible throughout the Port Discovery village.
Imagineering plans to tie together the music
with the movements of the rides and kinetic visual
details of the park.
Other well-known electronic composers will also be
contributing to DisneySea. It is unknown
right now whether Disney will release the music on CD,
but if we find out about availability
at some later date we'll post the information here.'
Andreas
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Jared White' wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: odean@m... [mailto:odean@m...]
>
> > >Secondly,
> > >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there! That's a
great
> > album (I think
> > >my favorite Synergy album), but I wonder why it's so
popular
> > right now. Any
> > >other big Synergy fans out there?
> > >
> > >Jared
> >
> > Right here dude! Just saw him live a few weeks ago!
>
> Who, Larry Fast? What's he up to these days? Man, it'd be
awesome if he'd
> release a new Synergy album. The time is ripe!
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:27
am
Subject: Quinoa Questio
>The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live
>at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any
>experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc?
Vic,
do you have a different 'Quinoa', or was that just a Freudian
slide ;-)
My original sais: 'recorded at the cave, berlin'. So does the
TDI release. Nothing about 'live', so I presume this (without
being sure!) to be a studio.
The 'Live at the Cave, Berlin' quote is from the cover of
'Mystery Tracks', and who knows where else...
;-) ;-) ;-)
klaus
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:40
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box
> Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
>
> So they misspelled it No Man's Land on the 1982 Hyperborea release?
OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSS!!!! big blunder. Hehe my mistake.
Who on earth can remember all the tracktitles anyway!!!!
Dooooohhhh!!
Jan
From:
'tom george'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:50
am
Subject: opinion needed
hi vic,
first let me say that i love the Bernd Kistenmacher cdr. it was in my player
all the way to the Tenn. border. please also tell Natasha that i bought a loaf
of the bakeries sour dough and black olive bread and some of their fine coffee
and it was excellent on both counts. now to the question:
i ordered the I-box direct from TDI. now i am wondering if i should buy the
advance vinyl package of DM 3 for $50.00 even though i probably would never
play them due to the fact that you have to lift off the platter of my turntable
and position the belt on another pulley to play in the 45 rpm mode. due to the
low number being printed i am thinking that i would always make a profit in the
future since they are only $50.00. what do you think? also i am thinking of
getting the I-box t-shirt. how many of the above items have you ordered? :)
tom
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:54
am
Subject: opinion needed
jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz
sorry folks......obviously this was meant for Vic privately. thats what i get
for trying to send messages when i have been up all night and at work for the
last 12 hours.
tom
hi vic,
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:54
am
Subject: Groove's top 10
>Wow, there are several aspects of this top ten list that surprise me. First
>of all, it looks like there must still be a lot of people out there with
>turntables! (Well, maybe all the DJs are buying those singles....) Secondly,
>I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there!
As long as there are no actual sales numbers attached to the list,
the 12'-singles might well take top ranks with four sales to hardcore
collectors, who need everything, even without a turntable ;-)
Groove is not Virgin Megastores...
klaus
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 12:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box
Apparently, our uncle Eddie must be doing the proof reading :-) That's not
really intended to be a put down, ,just a joke, because I couldn't do any
better. I'm not fluent in two languages either :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Pergamon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:42 PM
Subject: SV: [tadream] i-Box
> > The usual spelling mistakes (e.g. 'No Man's Lan')
>
> What if they were actually refering to LAN (network), but again LAN would
be
> spelled with capital letters.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Jan
>
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:05
am
Subject: [tadream] OT - Help with PF
hello, hello!
totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i
thought i'd start here:
i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who:
a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who
b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player...
please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade...
THANKS!
j.gordon
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 7:45
pm
Subject: I-Box Pricing
This news comes too late for those of you who have already ordered the
I-Box through the TDI site, but the set's price continues to fall on the
websites of major online retailers. CDNow and CD Universe both now have
it for around $32.50, and using coupons available at
http://cdshopper.cjb.net/ pretty much covers the cost of shipping. At
this rate, I think I may cave in and get it after all.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:39
pm
Subject: Slightly Off Topic
Just wanted to make a recommendation for everyone to try out David Wright's
'Three Six Zero' CD. I've found it to be definitely one of the better CD's
that I've bought this year and I've bought a lot too! It's got 15 tracks on
it with *over 80 minutes* of some great melodic music. It even has some
excellent vocals on it too.
Well, I gotta go. Gotta see what my beautiful little girl is getting into
now :-) I'm playing Mr. Mom today. PURE JOY my little girl is :-D She
looks just like dad too! :-) No way of my wife being able to forget my
face, even though I'm sure she would like to sometimes . ~LMAO~
Frank Arellano
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 6:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Help with PF
You can't 'record onto CDR from DVD'. Typical DVD movie is 4.7 gigs. And VCD
(in case you were thinking of that) is worse than VHS quality. Time to search
eBay man.
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: j.gordon
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:17 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] OT - Help with PF
hello, hello!
totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i
thought i'd start here:
i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who:
a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who
b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player...
please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade...
THANKS!
j.gordon
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:54
am
Subject: OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a
longer CDR?
Scott
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott
To: tadream@egroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:51 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a
>longer CDR?
>
>Scott
>
>
Scott,
When you start dragging songs to the target window to be burned onto the
CDR, the program keeps track of elapsed time of all songs. When it gets to
74 minutes, it starts to show how many minutes over 74 you are. So, if you
select 78 minutes of songs, it shows you are over by 4 minutes. I have no
experience with 90 minute CDR's, but if you have an 80 minute CDR in the
drive, it will happily go along and burn the full 78 minutes of songs onto
the CDR. I have never had to do anything in the software to tell it that an
80 minute disk is in the drive.
Vince
From:
Nigelsan@a...
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
j gorgon wrote
'when Ford was hyping this car, they were saying it was going to be the next
best thing to sex... and faster...'
WHY would you want sex to be faster??????
just a thought!
I might buy the box 6 cd's for $50 -------seems a deal.
cheers
nigel
From:
Nigelsan@a...
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Damn, that's harsh...
Um Edsel was henry ford's son, I think
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:21
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Help with PF
I am sure he is just looking to record the SOUND to CD-R (on some
movies you can isolate most of the soundtrack to CD-R by recording
only the front two speaker outputs from a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack (elimitating
most effects and reducining dialog by not recording the center channel)
On Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:48 PM, Feldon Feldon
[SMTP:feldon23@h...] wrote:
> You can't 'record onto CDR from DVD'. Typical DVD movie is 4.7 gigs. And
VCD (in case you were thinking of that) is worse than VHS quality. Time to
search eBay man.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: j.gordon
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:17 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT - Help with PF
>
>
> hello, hello!
>
> totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment,
i
> thought i'd start here:
>
> i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who:
>
> a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who
> b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player...
>
> please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade...
>
> THANKS!
>
> j.gordon
>
>
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:25
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
VInce what program do you use to burn CD-Rs?
>
From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Mullen
To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>VInce what program do you use to burn CD-Rs?
>>
>
I'm just using the Adaptec Easy CD Creator software that was included with
my HP CD writer. I went to the Adaptec web site and downloaded the latest
version of it. But, it is the just the limited functionality version that
they distribute with the drive. It's not fancy, but my requirements are
simple and it does the job.
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 4:03
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
I am have updated my Adaptec Easy CD Creator as much as I can
without paying more for it (I have 3.5 I think) You probably have 4.0 or
better. The only way I can go over 74 min is to create a disc image first
and then create the CD from the image. (going through a few hoops to
do so too) Sorry for the OT thread BTW
On Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:50 PM, Vince LeGrand [SMTP:vince-l@e...]
wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Mullen
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>
>
> >VInce what program do you use to burn CD-Rs?
> >>
> >
> I'm just using the Adaptec Easy CD Creator software that was included with
> my HP CD writer. I went to the Adaptec web site and downloaded the latest
> version of it. But, it is the just the limited functionality version that
> they distribute with the drive. It's not fancy, but my requirements are
> simple and it does the job.
>
>
>
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa Questio
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> >The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at 'Live
> >at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and any
> >experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc?
>
> Vic,
>
> do you have a different 'Quinoa', or was that just a Freudian
> slide ;-)
You're most likely correct - I was just curious if this was in front of
a group of people. But what does playing 'live' these days really
entail? Maybe I should not ask this question? ;-) Vic
From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Help with PF
As far as I know Delicate sound of Thunder has not yet been released on
DVD yet but is coming in the near future along with Pompeii.
For the latest and most accurate info on PF go to:
http://www.pinkfloyd-co.com/mast_idx.html
THE HIGHLANDER
At 03:05 AM 11/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
>hello, hello!
>
>totally off-topic, but as i'm not sure of another resource at the moment, i
>thought i'd start here:
>
>i'm searching for someone with a DVD player who:
>
>a) has pink floyd's delicate sound of thunder on DVD and who
>b) can record onto CDR from their DVD player...
>
>please let me know off-list, and i would be happy to make a trade...
>
>THANKS!
>
>j.gordon
>
>
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it is your CD
Burner.
I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they
said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner
CO. and find out.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
>OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a
>longer CDR?
>
>Scott
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa Questio
I'd swear I've seen at least one TDI album describe itself as 'recorded
Live' which it was a studio album, and it wasn't Quinoa.
Morgan
>From: Vic Rek
>
>Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> >
> > >The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at
>'Live
> > >at the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place and
>any
> > >experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc?
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From:
'TDI - Martin K.'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 9:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
At 00:11 17.11.00 -0500, you wrote:
> It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it is your CD
>Burner.
>I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they
>said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner
>CO. and find out.
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
>
Dear Robert,
thats a wrongo, methinks ;-) Ive been using a HP-burner (2 x writing
speed) for 2 1/2 years and it has no trouble with 80 min. CD- Rs. You just
need the right software.
I am using WinOn CD 3.7 and Nero on my respective systems and it works
perfectly. Both programs will automatically recognize an 80 min. CD- R, btw.
Best regards,
Martin K.
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 10:03
am
Subject: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
Okay, I'm now going to give this chart my full attention. On Friday
15 December Radio Rak in Poland will broadcast fans' all-time
favourite tracks recorded during the Edgar & Jerome period.
So, select your ten favourite TD tracks recorded by Edgar & Jerome
(and friends) since 1991, in ONE TO TEN order please. Mark your
posting `Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome'.
A few pointers:
1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which
album (or which mix) it is.
2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991
don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set)
3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material.
4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994,
`Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda.
5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may
contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD
album, so all tracks on here may be included.
Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points; number two given
nine points, and so on down to number ten, which will receive one
point. For lists posted `in no particular order', tracks will be
counted as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending how you look
at it), as each track will share the total points available from one
to ten between them, hence each track will receive 5.5 points each.
For this chart, we really need as many of you as possible to vote as
we obviously have considerably more votes to spread around Edgar &
Jerome's tracks than the total number of TD albums which were voted
for in the last chart.
That said, here's my top ten:
1 Comet's Figure Head (Mars Polaris)
2 Timesquare (What A Blast)
3 Firetongues (Dream Mixes 1)
4 Astrophobia (Mars Polaris)
5 Flashflood (Tournado)
6 Mobocoaster (Dream Mixes 2)
7 The Conspiracy (Zoning)
8 Sojus (Dream Mixes 1)
9 Towards the Evening Star (Dream Mixes 2)
10 Summer Storm (Oasis)
However, I have one thought, and I need to gauge your thoughts on
this. Say for example, if we get split votes for `Towards the Evening
Star' (Goblins Club, Tournado and Dream Mixes Versions), should we
combine them, and the version that gets the most votes will be the
version that gets played (assuming it makes the Top ten), or should
we keep them apart?
Regards
Roger
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Bag
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:53
pm
Subject: Your favourite dream
Hello Dreamers,
Here are complete results of your voting on my homepage:
NOVEMBER'2000
=================================================
A B C D E
-------------------------------------------------
1. [ 1] Ricochet 212 62
2. [ 2] Poland 123 43
3. [ 4] Logos 121 35
4. [ 3] Stratosfear 117 31
5. [ 7] Mars Polaris 83 27
6. [ 5] Force Majeure 78 20
7. [ 6] Pergamon 73 21
8. [ 8] Encore 59 23
9. [ 9] Live Miles 58 20
10. [10] Tangram 54 18
-------------------------------------------------
11. [12] Exit 48 20
12. [13] Melrose 45 15
13. [11] Hyperborea 42 12
14. [15] Rubycon 38 14
15. [14] White Eagle 35 13
16. [22] Phaedra 34 14
17. [15] 220 Volt 29 11
18. [15] Tyger 28 12
19. [19] Flashpoint 25 11
20. [18] Tournado 21 7
21. [20] Firestarter 17 5
22. [24] Goblins Club 16 6
23. [21] The Man Inside 16 4
24. [22] Underwater Sunlight 15 7
25. [33] Cyclone 13 5
26. [25] Valentine Wheels 12 4
27. [31] Alpha Centauri 10 2
28. [26] Green Desert 8 2
[26] Timesquare 8 2
30. [41] Le Parc 7 3
31. [28] Turn Of The Tides 6 2
32. [29] Lily On The Beach 5 3
[29] Dream Mixes 5 3
34. [31] Optical Race 5 1
[ N] 3 O'clock High 5 1
[ N] Rockoon 5 1
37. [33] Quinoa 4 2
[33] Sorcerer 4 2
[33] The Keep 4 2
40. [39] Electronic Meditation 3 3
41. [37] Atem 3 1
[ N] Destination Berlin 3 1
[ N] Miracle Mile 3 1
[37] Thief 3 1
45. [39] Great Wall Of China 2 2
[41] Oasis 2 2
47. [41] Canyon Dreams 1 1
[ N] Sohoman 1 1
[41] Transsiberia 1 1
[41] What A Blast 1 1
=================================================
[A-position][B-previous month][C-title]
[D-points][E-votes]
number of voters: 170
Regards
Bag
----------------------
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http://tadream.ac.pl/
----------------------
From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 11:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
HP's 'official' position is that 80 minute CDR media is not of high enough
quality that they will officially support its use in their burners.
However, my experience with my HP 9100 unit and 80 minute CDR's has been
fine.
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Grabowsky
To: tadream@egroups.com
Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
> It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it is your CD
>Burner.
>I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they
>said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner
>CO. and find out.
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
>
>At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a
>>longer CDR?
>>
>>Scott
>
>
>
>
>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
>Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:09
pm
Subject: Re: Quinoa Questio
>Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>The original fanclub Quinoa CD says that the music was recorded at
>'Liveat the Cave, Berlin 1992'. Can someone tell me about this place >and=
any experiences if you were there? Is this a cafe, night club, bar, etc?
I think I read somewhere that the gig took place at TD:s Berlin studio,
with special invitations going out to members of the international fan-
club, due to its demise; as a 'goodbye-present'. Were any of you guys
there? I dont think there were that many present. 150 maybe?
All the best
Jim Rasmussen, Sweden
From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:16
pm
Subject: Cover quest
Hey all!
When I got hold of my copy of the 'Time for Heroes' CD-single, the
seller sent it without any backcover, only with booklet.
When I mailed and 'complained', he never got back to me.
Can I ask any of you to mail it to me as a decent JPG?
If so, please use this address:
jim.rasmussen@d...
A year ago or so, there was a TD bootleg cover section located at
xoom.com, but suddenly it was shut down. Are there any similar places
nowadays, to your knowledge??
Cheers
Jim, Sweden
From:
Kees
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove's top 10
At 11:54 16/11/2000 +0100, you wrote:
> >Wow, there are several aspects of this top ten list that surprise me. First
> >of all, it looks like there must still be a lot of people out there with
> >turntables! (Well, maybe all the DJs are buying those singles....) Secondly,
> >I'm amazed to see Synergy's Audion on there!
Audio was on sale last week so that always increases sales.
>As long as there are no actual sales numbers attached to the list,
>the 12'-singles might well take top ranks with four sales to hardcore
>collectors, who need everything, even without a turntable ;-)
>
>Groove is not Virgin Megastores...
You mean we're bigger? ;-)
All the best.
Kees
------------------------------------------------------
For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl
---> Exercise your face... Smile :-)
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 12:44
pm
Subject: Quinoa Question
>I think I read somewhere that the gig took place at TD:s Berlin studio,
>with special invitations going out to members of the international fan-
>club, due to its demise; as a 'goodbye-present'. Were any of you guys
>there? I dont think there were that many present. 150 maybe?
Thanks, Jim, for another totally unsubstantiated rumour ;-)
Unless they conciously excluded the founding members of the TDIFC
(and I know all of the single-digit-membership numbers) and have
kept this concert a total secret until today - there is not even
a grain of truth in your speculations.
klaus
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 2:18
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Hello
That is not entirely true. I have a burner as well, and got easy cd
creator with it. When burning audio, I can't get it to recognize a 80 min
disc. I called the company and they said it could. They said the software
would recognize what type of disc was in the burner. But I have still not
gotten Adaptecs software to recognize a 80 min. CD.
Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It recognizes 80
min. and I have never had any problems with that.
Jan
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...]
> Sendt: 17. november 2000 06:12
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>
>
> It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it
> is your CD
> Burner.
> I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they
> said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner
> CO. and find out.
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
>
> At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a
> >longer CDR?
> >
> >Scott
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 5:24
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>From: Joel Mullen
>
>I am have updated my Adaptec Easy CD Creator as much as I can
>without paying more for it (I have 3.5 I think) You probably have 4.0 or
>better. The only way I can go over 74 min is to create a disc image first
>and then create the CD from the image. (going through a few hoops to
>do so too) Sorry for the OT thread BTW
Adaptec Easy Creator 3.x is crap. I highly suggest you get the latest
version even if it means shelling out a little money.
This is a failure of older Easy CD Creators. The new ones properly check for
the sector count on blank discs which indicates 74, 80, or more minutes of
recording space.
-Morgan
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 4:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Thanks for the info I will check it out as I also have a 2X burner.
>Dear Robert,
>
>thats a wrongo, methinks ;-) Ive been using a HP-burner (2 x writing
>speed) for 2 1/2 years and it has no trouble with 80 min. CD- Rs. You just
>need the right software.
>
>I am using WinOn CD 3.7 and Nero on my respective systems and it works
>perfectly. Both programs will automatically recognize an 80 min. CD- R, btw.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Martin K.
>TDI- Music- Support.
>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
>Visit our Website at:
>
>www.tdi-music-mall.de
>
>Have a nice day!
>
>
>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
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>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 6:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
I agree; Nero really kicks ass all around. The first time you try to
overburn with Nero it will pop up a warning that you could damage your CD
writer by attempting to overburn- if that writer doesn't support it. This
is maybe what Robert's talking about? I know mine overburns (Ricoh
MP7040A), so I'm not worried about it.
I'd also suggest reading the CDR tutorial that comes with Nero (a pdf on the
disk), which is a great overview of all aspects the CD burning process.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TDI - Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:31 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>
>
> At 00:11 17.11.00 -0500, you wrote:
> > It is not the program that limits how much you can
> record, it is your CD
> >Burner.
> >I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min
> discs and they
> >said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call
> your burner
> >CO. and find out.
> >
> > THE HIGHLANDER
> >
> >
> Dear Robert,
>
> thats a wrongo, methinks ;-) Ive been using a HP-burner (2 x writing
> speed) for 2 1/2 years and it has no trouble with 80 min. CD-
> Rs. You just
> need the right software.
>
> I am using WinOn CD 3.7 and Nero on my respective systems and it works
> perfectly. Both programs will automatically recognize an 80
> min. CD- R, btw
>
From:
Richard Ford
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 6:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
I never seem to be able to connect. Is there still a problem???
In message <8v2vp6+kth5@e...>, Roger Hartopp
writes
>Okay, I'm now going to give this chart my full attention. On Friday
>15 December Radio Rak in Poland will broadcast fans' all-time
>favourite tracks recorded during the Edgar & Jerome period.
>So, select your ten favourite TD tracks recorded by Edgar & Jerome
>(and friends) since 1991, in ONE TO TEN order please. Mark your
>posting `Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome'.
>
>A few pointers:
>
>1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which
>album (or which mix) it is.
>
>2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991
>don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set)
>
>3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material.
>
>4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994,
>`Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda.
>
>5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may
>contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD
>album, so all tracks on here may be included.
>
>Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points; number two given
>nine points, and so on down to number ten, which will receive one
>point. For lists posted `in no particular order', tracks will be
>counted as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending how you look
>at it), as each track will share the total points available from one
>to ten between them, hence each track will receive 5.5 points each.
>
>For this chart, we really need as many of you as possible to vote as
>we obviously have considerably more votes to spread around Edgar &
>Jerome's tracks than the total number of TD albums which were voted
>for in the last chart.
>
>That said, here's my top ten:
>
>1 Comet's Figure Head (Mars Polaris)
>2 Timesquare (What A Blast)
>3 Firetongues (Dream Mixes 1)
>4 Astrophobia (Mars Polaris)
>5 Flashflood (Tournado)
>6 Mobocoaster (Dream Mixes 2)
>7 The Conspiracy (Zoning)
>8 Sojus (Dream Mixes 1)
>9 Towards the Evening Star (Dream Mixes 2)
>10 Summer Storm (Oasis)
>
>However, I have one thought, and I need to gauge your thoughts on
>this. Say for example, if we get split votes for `Towards the Evening
>Star' (Goblins Club, Tournado and Dream Mixes Versions), should we
>combine them, and the version that gets the most votes will be the
>version that gets played (assuming it makes the Top ten), or should
>we keep them apart?
>
>Regards
>
>Roger
>
>
>
>
>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
>Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
--
Richard Ford
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 7:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
> From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
>
> Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It
> recognizes 80
> min. and I have never had any problems with that.
Even better...get Nero and just a 74 minute CDR.
And then overburn to 79 minutes.
Did it a few times and no problems.
Marcel
http://jump.to/fsp
mengels@w...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 8:15
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
same here, and I'm on a T-1. I get to the page, and IF it loads, it takes
forever, then equally sluggish on any links, so I abort.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Ford [mailto:theroom@b...]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:26 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
>
>
> I never seem to be able to connect. Is there still a problem???
>
> In message <8v2vp6+kth5@e...>, Roger Hartopp
> >Okay, I'm now going to give this chart my full attention. On Friday
> >15 December Radio Rak in Poland will broadcast fans' all-time
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 8:39
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Problem 1: Easy CD Creator versions before 4.0
Problem 2: HP/Phillips burners
Talk amongst yourselves *smirk*
-Morgan
>From: 'Pergamon'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:18:34 +0100
>
>Hello
>
> That is not entirely true. I have a burner as well, and got easy cd
>creator with it. When burning audio, I can't get it to recognize a 80 min
>disc. I called the company and they said it could. They said the software
>would recognize what type of disc was in the burner. But I have still not
>gotten Adaptecs software to recognize a 80 min. CD.
>
> Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It recognizes
>80
>min. and I have never had any problems with that.
>
>Jan
>
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...]
> > Sendt: 17. november 2000 06:12
> > Til: tadream@egroups.com
> > Emne: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
> >
> >
> > It is not the program that limits how much you can record, it
> > is your CD
> > Burner.
> > I called HP to ask if there was any way to record 80 min discs and they
> > said that theirs would only recognize up to 74 mins. So call your burner
> > CO. and find out.
> >
> > THE HIGHLANDER
> >
> >
> > At 08:54 PM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >OK, how do you get Easy CD Creator Deluxe to recognize that you have a
> > >longer CDR?
> > >
> > >Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 12:30
am
Subject: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
Hi,
I just saw the following mentioned on Groove Unlimited's mailing
list:
|The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and
|Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May 2001. The book
|will include a CD set with lots of new music from lots of well known
|artists an some obscure tracks and some well known pieces as well.
|it will be either a double or triple set. (Jim Brenholts, author)
So, why did I forward this little nugget of wisdom here? Because
it represents an opportunity for our boy Edgar to refute the notion
that TD is a passe band of old farts who 'sold out and went New Age
a long time ago.' How so? Well, he could contact this Brenholts guy,
and talk to him about including an exclusive track to the CD -- which
would force Brendholts to have some text devoted to TD if he hasn't
done so already (and in the current climate of trendy electronica doo
doo heads, this is a predictable omission).
As far as credibility in today's market is concerned, TD doesn't
have much and they need all the help they can get. Somebody e-mail
TDI and tell 'em about this book!
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:31
am
Subject: Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
I notice that a few of you folks are including 'Melrose' tracks,
which is part of the Edgar - Paul - Jerome period. We need to
concentrate solely on Edgar & Jerome.
J. Gordon & Gary Jenkins - can you update your lists? (Thanks Sean
for sending me your list)
As regards the problems regards receiving Radio Rak - I have
mentioned it to them, but it might be an idea to bring it up on their
guestbook at www.rak.krakow.pl
Excuse: It is a student station, so all staff (including myself) are
unpaid and don't always have the time to sort these things out, but
the director... well, let's all write in on the guestbook and see if
we can get the RealPlayer upgraded. It is for their own good (and for
the sake of the music).
Roger
From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 4:07
pm
Subject: Re.Revised Top Ten
Sorry Roger Misread here is my revised list
1. Comet's Figure Head
2. Towards The Evening Star
3. Waterborne
4. San Rocco
5. Firetongues
6. Art of Destruction
7. Rising Haul in Silence
8. Bride in Cold Tears
9. Flashflood
10.Outland
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 5:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
If you guys would rather not spend the exorbitant cash that Real wants for
their crummy Real server, you could try Shoutcast. It has better sound
quality than Real, with less bandwidth requirements, and the server and
player are free, with the server daemon available on several versions of
Linux, Windows 9x, NT, and Alpha. (www.shoutcast.com)
-Morgan
>From: 'Roger Hartopp'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Re: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:31:46 -0000
>
>I notice that a few of you folks are including 'Melrose' tracks,
>which is part of the Edgar - Paul - Jerome period. We need to
>concentrate solely on Edgar & Jerome.
>
>J. Gordon & Gary Jenkins - can you update your lists? (Thanks Sean
>for sending me your list)
>
>As regards the problems regards receiving Radio Rak - I have
>mentioned it to them, but it might be an idea to bring it up on their
>guestbook at www.rak.krakow.pl
>
>Excuse: It is a student station, so all staff (including myself) are
>unpaid and don't always have the time to sort these things out, but
>the director... well, let's all write in on the guestbook and see if
>we can get the RealPlayer upgraded. It is for their own good (and for
>the sake of the music).
>
>Roger
>
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From:
Piotr Sukowski II
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 7:19
pm
Subject: Hello I am new
Hello
I am a new on the egroups and I come from Poland. I have been TD-fun just
for almost 20 years.
I have the big collection of live tracks of Tangerine Dream. I am able to
create new covers, even to bootlegs,
which don't exist. If anybody is interested to see my covers and my CD
collection, you are welcome,
my e-mail: sulas@p...
I am very glad to join the group.
Pozdrawiam
Piotr S. Millennium
From:
dellutri_1@a...
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 9:56
pm
Subject: Cylcone,dialog
Hello,
Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on
the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk?
I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to
figure it out.
Please help, George
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:28
pm
Subject: Discussion Week 62 - Sunday 19th November 2000
Well, this wraps up the weekly discussions on released studio, live,
and soundtrack albums.
This week it is the turn of the recent release 'The Seven Letters From
Tibet'.
Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [The Seven Letters From
Tibet]' when posting comments or reviews.
Thanks to all the people that have contributed to the discussions over
the last 62 weeks, and good luck to the host of the next round of
discussions.
Next week I will post the 'stats' from the discussion weeks.
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 11:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog
dellutri_1@a... wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on
> the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk?
> I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to
> figure it out.
Here it goes:
'When I talk to the trees
O'great trees who have learned to speak slowly
I know that they believe that they have an answer
Then I walk in the city where I cannot hear it
When I talk to the city
I have already learned three answers
before I call the question
And slowly, I wish myself among trees
but can not hear myself wishing
When I talk to the people
who are the trees that grow in the city
they reply with a fond kindness, slowly
but there is no answer
for experience to be made by mistake'
Antonio Nunes
np: Cyclone
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 1:49
am
Subject: Froese CDs on ebay
Just a reminder, you can bid on the following EDGAR FROESE CDs on ebay now.
AQUA
AGES
MACULA TRANSFER
EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE
PINNACLES
STUNTMAN
search word Tangerine Dream will bring them up.
Thanks!
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 2:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog
All I can make out is the line 'slowly but there is no answer' towards rthe
end.
Phil.
> Hello,
> Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on
> the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk?
> I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to
> figure it out.
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 4:08
am
Subject: Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax
Here are my ten fave Eddy 'n' Jerry tracks, from most fave to
less fave:
1) Comet's Figure Head (MARS POLARIS, 1999)
2) Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES, 1995)
3) Outland (The Colony) (MARS POLARIS, 1999)
4) Art of Destruction (WHAT A BLAST, 1999)
5) Digital Sister (TIMESQUARE, 1997)
6) Culpa Levis (TIMESQUARE, 1997)
7) Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, 1995)
8) Story of the Brave (TURN OF THE TIDES, 1994)
9) The Conspiracy (ZONING, 1996)
10) Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB, 1996)
-- Steven Feldman
From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 4:28
am
Subject: Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix
1) Astrophobia
2) Virtually Fields
3) Catwalk (Dress-Up Mix from Dream Mixes)
4) Change of the Gods
5) Summer Storm
6) Cedar Breaks
7) Hamlet
8) Timesquare (N.Y. Brix Mix from What A Blast)
9) Jungle Journey (original version)
10) Firetongues (Break Freak Mix from Dream Mixes)
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 5:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix
On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:28:33 -0500 Gabe Yedid said:
>6) Cedar Breaks
?!?
X-0
;-)
-- Steven Feldman
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:27
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
So what are the problems you guys are having with the adaptec 3.x software?
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Adaptec Easy Creator 3.x is crap. I highly suggest you get the latest
version even if it means shelling out a little money.
Works just fine for me.
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
I have adaptec 4 (copy) if anyone wants it. I loaded it up and it all the
file extensions for layouts, labels etc have changed and i can't get to my
old files. I have gone back to 3.5c. So if anyone wants a copy of 4.0 and
are in the UK, just send me your address.
From: Joel Mullen
> I am have updated my Adaptec Easy CD Creator as much as I can
> without paying more for it (I have 3.5 I think) You probably have 4.0 or
> better. The only way I can go over 74 min is to create a disc image first
> and then create the CD from the image. (going through a few hoops to
> do so too) Sorry for the OT thread BTW
>
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Can you overburn on adaptec? if so. where's the option? Or is that why it's
crap (joshing)
Even better...get Nero and just a 74 minute CDR.
> And then overburn to 79 minutes.
> Did it a few times and no problems.
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog
Antonio,
Did you work that out for yourself or get the info from somewhere. If it is
the former, I salute you.
Phil.
>
>
> dellutri_1@a... wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Can anyone tell what exactly is said in that distorted dialog on
> > the cyclone album just before Bent Cold Sidewalk?
> > I've owned the album for years and I have never been alble to
> > figure it out.
>
> Here it goes:
>
> 'When I talk to the trees
> O'great trees who have learned to speak slowly
> I know that they believe that they have an answer
> Then I walk in the city where I cannot hear it
>
> When I talk to the city
> I have already learned three answers
> before I call the question
> And slowly, I wish myself among trees
> but can not hear myself wishing
>
> When I talk to the people
> who are the trees that grow in the city
> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly
> but there is no answer
> for experience to be made by mistake'
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
> np: Cyclone
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
>
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 12:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
I got Nero if anyone wants it too. It worked for a while for me and all of a
sudden every disk i burnt failed. I'm sure it isn't the software. So ,
anyone want it, get me your address.
Phil.
Here is my solution, go out and buy Nero burning rom. It recognizes 80
min. and I have never had any problems with that.
>
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 5:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cylcone,dialog
Phil Wingfield wrote:
>
> Antonio,
>
> Did you work that out for yourself or get the info from somewhere. If it is
> the former, I salute you.
No, my ears are not that good, neither my English. Three years ago the
TD official website had a lyrics section and I just saved it on my PC.
BTW, the credits for the Cyclone lyrics transcription go to Chris
(Microbe Maniac), Dave Datta, and Bob Pietkivitch, with clarifications
compliments of Steve Joliffe himself (the man who talks to the trees
:-))
Antonio Nunes
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 9:10
pm
Subject: Re: Cylcone,dialog
>> When I talk to the people
>> who are the trees that grow in the city
>> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly
>> but there is no answer
>> for experience to be made by mistake'
Wow, everything sounds so clear now :)
Just a little fix: it's actually 'When I talk to people', there's no 'the'.
It's a cool intro, huh? I like Cyclone, but rarely play it.
np Cyclone
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 11:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 10 Eddy & Jerry Trax--Gabe's pix
>===== Original Message From Steven Feldman =====
>On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:28:33 -0500 Gabe Yedid said:
>>6) Cedar Breaks
>
> ?!?
> X-0
> ;-)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
As difficult as it may be for you to believe and/or understand, Steven,
there's at least one of us who really does like this much-maligned track from
_Oasis_.
Gabe
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:23
am
Subject: Ground Liftaz site updated
Hello all-
The GL site has been updated with pictures (taken from a video
tape) They also claim that approx. 250 people were there. Heiko is this
a bit 'optimistic'? Also are you in any of the pictures??
Regards,
Joel
BTW I noticed they made sure they included pictures of a woman dancing.
(the only one? under the influence ;-)
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:41
am
Subject: new music: Somewhere between Canopus and Rigel
Hi folks,
new track in http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm :
Somewhere between Canopus and Rigel.
It's an unpretensious track, a solo of a sound I found when I was browsing the
synth sounds. I liked the sound and recorded a track. It's a space music.It has
certainly beautiful moments.
I included a 0:45, 350 kbytes sample which gives a good example of what's in
the track.
The track is 6:44, 128 kbps/44.1 kHz.
I'll appreciate any comments.
Regards
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 7:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz site updated
Joel Mullen wrote:
> Hello all-
> The GL site has been updated with pictures (taken from a video
> tape) They also claim that approx. 250 people were there. Heiko is this
> a bit 'optimistic'? Also are you in any of the pictures??
Hi!
Well, the 'Kalkscheune' may hold 250 people, but really there were only 60-70
attendants when TDJ Rome played his set...if not even less.
I just had a look at the pictures...on most of them it's hard to recognize
anything at all. And I don't see anyone who wears a Ramones t-shirt (Rocket
to Russia)....so my answer is a) no, and b) GABBA GABBA HEY! ;-)
Heiko
From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 10:06
am
Subject: Re: Quinoa Question
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> Thanks, Jim, for another totally unsubstantiated rumour ;-)
>
> Unless they conciously excluded the founding members of the TDIFC
> (and I know all of the single-digit-membership numbers) and have
> kept this concert a total secret until today - there is not even
> a grain of truth in your speculations.
Well, do you think I was out to make anyone angry?
Sure, you could certainly call it 'speculations' since Im writing
out of memory and will have to dig for a few days to find the source
for this. (No, it wasnt a bootleg-cover.) But hey, I wasnt aware of
the TDIFC until it was closed down and Im quite a few miles away
from Berlin, so dont kill the messenger...
J
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 12:19
pm
Subject: Re: Quinoa Question
> Well, do you think I was out to make anyone angry?
No, not at all, that's why there was a ;-) !!!
It would be very nice if you could find the source
in writing, especially the name of it's author.
Just so we'll all know who's 'info' to take with
the proper precautions...
klaus
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 2:44
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
are you suggesting that Edgar call this guy up and command him to include TD
info in this already-published book?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:31 PM
> To: Tangerine Dream mailing list
> Subject: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
>
>
> Hi,
> I just saw the following mentioned on Groove Unlimited's mailing
> list:
>
> |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and
> |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May 2001. The book
> |will include a CD set with lots of new music from lots of well known
> |artists an some obscure tracks and some well known pieces as well.
> |it will be either a double or triple set. (Jim Brenholts, author)
>
> So, why did I forward this little nugget of wisdom here? Because
> it represents an opportunity for our boy Edgar to refute the notion
> that TD is a passe band of old farts who 'sold out and went New Age
> a long time ago.' How so? Well, he could contact this Brenholts guy,
> and talk to him about including an exclusive track to the CD -- which
> would force Brendholts to have some text devoted to TD if he hasn't
> done so already (and in the current climate of trendy electronica doo
> doo heads, this is a predictable omission).
> As far as credibility in today's market is concerned, TD doesn't
> have much and they need all the help they can get. Somebody e-mail
> TDI and tell 'em about this book!
>
> -- Steven Feldman
> -- webmaster
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Movie News!
Well, I guess we should count our blessings that we've pretty much avoided
this kind of spam for a long time. This guy subscribed, spammed us, then
unsubscribed, just like he says he hates... I banned him.
I'm placing the list on 'new subber moderation', so as to intercept these
kinds of posts. For those already subscribed, you will see no difference,
but ayone who subscribes will be on moderated status until one of us
moderators upgrades him to normal status. If you need to unsubscribe, then
resubscribe, just send us a note to mailto:tadream-owner@egroups.com and
we'll upgrade you no problem.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dirtfish [mailto:Stuartdirt@y...]
> I can't stand people who subsrcibe advertise then
> unsubsricbe! SO I REALLY AM SORRY BUT.......
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:00
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Besides it not recognizing 80, 90, and 99 minute blanks?
And I like being able to drag-and-drop mp3 files and burn them as a music CD
without any intermediary steps. It's also much more polished.
And I'm pretty much forced to use 4.0x on my Plextor. Burnproof technology
only works with CD Creator 4. I can burn at 12x and multitask like crazy on
the computer. If the buffer runs out of data, the drive pauses and then
restarts when enough data becomes available. It's impossible to trigger a
'Buffer Underrun'. I think Sanyo and 1 other company have come out with OEMs
of the same drive.
-Morgan
>From: 'Phil Wingfield'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
>Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:27:37 -0000
>
>So what are the problems you guys are having with the adaptec 3.x software?
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
Already published? It comes out May 2001. You think it's on the press
already?
-Morgan
>From: Joe Shoults
>
>are you suggesting that Edgar call this guy up and command him to include
>TD
>info in this already-published book?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:31 PM
> > To: Tangerine Dream mailing list
> > Subject: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > I just saw the following mentioned on Groove Unlimited's mailing
> > list:
> >
> > |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and
> > |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May 2001. The book
> > |will include a CD set with lots of new music from lots of well known
> > |artists an some obscure tracks and some well known pieces as well.
> > |it will be either a double or triple set. (Jim Brenholts, author)
> >
> > So, why did I forward this little nugget of wisdom here? Because
> > it represents an opportunity for our boy Edgar to refute the notion
> > that TD is a passe band of old farts who 'sold out and went New Age
> > a long time ago.' How so? Well, he could contact this Brenholts guy,
> > and talk to him about including an exclusive track to the CD -- which
> > would force Brendholts to have some text devoted to TD if he hasn't
> > done so already (and in the current climate of trendy electronica doo
> > doo heads, this is a predictable omission).
> > As far as credibility in today's market is concerned, TD doesn't
> > have much and they need all the help they can get. Somebody e-mail
> > TDI and tell 'em about this book!
> >
> > -- Steven Feldman
> > -- webmaster
> >
>
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 5:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:44:15 -0500 Joe Shoults said:
>are you suggesting that Edgar call this guy up and command him to
>include TD info in this already-published book?
Uh, no.
First, I thought it hadn't been published yet. Second, I thought
that a friendly *inquiry* from Edgar about donating a track to the
project might have produced results -- if TD isn't already scheduled
to have a track on this book's CD set, to begin with.
-- Steven Feldman
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
Dumb question, but I'm assuming you're doing a disk defragment and scandisk
every 20 or so burns?
>From: 'Phil Wingfield'
>
>I got Nero if anyone wants it too. It worked for a while for me and all of
>a
>sudden every disk i burnt failed. I'm sure it isn't the software. So ,
>anyone want it, get me your address.
-Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog
Another way to hear the Cyclone dialogue more clearly is to pick up the
Tangerine Ambience I CD. I know many don't like this one or its sequel, but
I've always been rather fond of Tangerine Ambience I and II. The Cyclone
lyrics are said much more clearly on the tribute version.
>From: Gustavo Jobim
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog
>Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:10:38 -0200
>
>
> >> When I talk to the people
> >> who are the trees that grow in the city
> >> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly
> >> but there is no answer
> >> for experience to be made by mistake'
>
>Wow, everything sounds so clear now :)
>Just a little fix: it's actually 'When I talk to people', there's no 'the'.
>It's a cool intro, huh? I like Cyclone, but rarely play it.
>
>np Cyclone
>
>Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 9:10
pm
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] OT: RE: technical question: CDR-90
that's just beautiful. I want one.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
> my Plextor.
> Burnproof technology
> only works with CD Creator 4. I can burn at 12x and multitask
> like crazy on
> the computer. If the buffer runs out of data, the drive
> pauses and then
> restarts when enough data becomes available. It's impossible
> to trigger a
> 'Buffer Underrun'.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 9:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
ah- ok. duh. I don't know how to read! :-
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Already published? It comes out May 2001. You think it's on the press
> already?
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
...
> > > |The book 'Tracks Across the Universe: A Chronology of Ambient and
> > > |Electronic Music' has a scheduled release date of May
> 2001. The book
From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 11:01
pm
Subject: 86 American tour
Hey Dreamers,
My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as good as I
remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I remembered them playing
ricochet, it must have only been the piano medley. Did not recognize the
Livemiles part, maybe I'll have to relisten now that I have at least
partially restored my sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have
been inspired by the Albuquerque concert.
Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the 86 American tour is
the most complete and best sounding? For some reason the song selection for
the 86 tour really hits a sweet spot with me.
Thanks,
Steve
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2000 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 86 American tour
Most of the 1986 concerts included most of Underwater Sunlight plus reworked
Stratosfear, Phaedra, Thief, and Sorcerer tracks (one of each) and an always
wonderful piano solo. For whatever reason, Edgar either could not, or decided
not to re-release any of this material (regardless of how nicely reworked and
remixed it all was) and instead went with previously unreleased material for
Livemiles. Perplexingly, there is over 30 minutes of 1986 material that was
played in heavy rotation during the concerts that has yet to be released. It
was all very meandering and sequenceless from what I've heard, but charming
nonetheless.
Listeners can attest that movements 2 and 3 of Livemiles were performed as-is,
but the rest is quite different either in speed, melody line, or completely new
and all newly bridged together. And the recording of the hispanic announcer at
the beginning is total fiction as anyone who attended the show (I did not) can
attest to.
As for which is the best recording, I'm only familiar with CD-R recordings of
the show in near-CD quality, such as Sonambulistic Imagery, Three Tier Dream
disc 3, and even Alien Air Music.
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: Whiteley, Steve
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:05 PM
To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
Subject: [tadream] 86 American tour
Hey Dreamers,
My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as good as I
remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I remembered them playing
ricochet, it must have only been the piano medley. Did not recognize the
Livemiles part, maybe I'll have to relisten now that I have at least
partially restored my sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have
been inspired by the Albuquerque concert.
Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the 86 American tour is
the most complete and best sounding? For some reason the song selection for
the 86 tour really hits a sweet spot with me.
Thanks,
Steve
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:06
am
Subject: Re: 86 American tour
Greetings all-
>> From: Whiteley, Steve
>> Hey Dreamers,
>>
>> My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as
>> good as I remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I
>> remembered them playing ricochet, it must have only been the
>> piano medley. Did not recognize the Livemiles part, maybe I'll
>> have to relisten now that I have at least partially restored my
>> sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have
>> been inspired by the Albuquerque concert.
>>
>> Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the
>> 86 American tour is the most complete and best sounding?
>> For some reason the song selection for the 86 tour really hits a
>> sweet spot with me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
'Feldon Feldon' wrote:
> Listeners can attest that movements 2 and 3 of Livemiles were
> performed as-is, but the rest is quite different either in speed,
> melody line, or completely new and all newly bridged together.
> And the recording of the hispanicannouncer at the
> beginning is total fiction as anyone who attended the show
> (I did not) can attest to.
Uhhh...I can atttest that the above statement is completely wrong,
except for the bit about the announcer.
From April & October of this year:
Greetings all-
This is an excerpt from the Live FAQ that I posted waaaaaaaaaaaaay
back in Jan 97 on the old list. I've added a little more info to it
that I omitted the first time.
++++++++++++++++
_LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes
say. I know what the Official Homepage says. I know what Edgar says.
But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a
different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and
in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state
with absolute accuracy that *not*one*single*bit* of _Livemiles_:
'Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! That includes the
'emcee intro'! It has *got* to be a studio session! Either that or
the soundcheck was *really* something! If you have the _Sonambulistic
Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program,
including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in
the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois
de Boulogne' and in Toronto there was an additional guitar encore to
make up for the power interruption during the gig.
As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a
special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th
anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this
concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually
broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work
was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the
band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due
to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Caspian Sea', is
pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing
changes, and ditto the second track, 'Sunnyvale' (though the tempo
for both is faster than was originally played.) However, the last
track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was
performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version
as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots
_Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality.
++++++++++++++++++
FYI, the song titles indicated for the Berlin track are official.
Although there also appears to be a *second* title for the second
track: 'Velvet Autumn'. The following is info from Mark Schaffer and
John Burek (with a [very] little hand from me!): In the same radio
show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, the latter 4 - 5
minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. However, the
radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast gives the
track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! It's
possible that the band supplied the radio station with a skeleton
track list, and that subsequently Edgar gave the tracks new names
when he went on the radio show on WDR two years later (thereby
showing that he had forgotten that some of the tracks already had
names).
The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so
at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played
live...eventually!
goozer
From:
'Rimas Lazutka'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Revised Top Ten
Here's my 2 cents (best tracks by td):
1.Rising Haul in Silence
2.Catwalk
3.Timesquere
4.Lifted veil
5.Spiral star date
6.Touchwood (mix)
7.Little blonde in a park of attractions
8.Mobocaster
9.Towards the evening star
10.Largo
Rimas
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 86 American tour
Sorry if I confused things. So parts 2 and 3 of Livemiles were not played at
the Albequerque show? They were played at other shows in 1986 and 1987.
-Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: Hermes Guzman
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:10 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: 86 American tour
Greetings all-
>> From: Whiteley, Steve
>> Hey Dreamers,
>>
>> My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as
>> good as I remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I
>> remembered them playing ricochet, it must have only been the
>> piano medley. Did not recognize the Livemiles part, maybe I'll
>> have to relisten now that I have at least partially restored my
>> sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may have
>> been inspired by the Albuquerque concert.
>>
>> Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the
>> 86 American tour is the most complete and best sounding?
>> For some reason the song selection for the 86 tour really hits a
>> sweet spot with me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
'Feldon Feldon' wrote:
> Listeners can attest that movements 2 and 3 of Livemiles were
> performed as-is, but the rest is quite different either in speed,
> melody line, or completely new and all newly bridged together.
> And the recording of the hispanicannouncer at the
> beginning is total fiction as anyone who attended the show
> (I did not) can attest to.
Uhhh...I can atttest that the above statement is completely wrong,
except for the bit about the announcer.
From April & October of this year:
Greetings all-
This is an excerpt from the Live FAQ that I posted waaaaaaaaaaaaay
back in Jan 97 on the old list. I've added a little more info to it
that I omitted the first time.
++++++++++++++++
_LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes
say. I know what the Official Homepage says. I know what Edgar says.
But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a
different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and
in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state
with absolute accuracy that *not*one*single*bit* of _Livemiles_:
'Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! That includes the
'emcee intro'! It has *got* to be a studio session! Either that or
the soundcheck was *really* something! If you have the _Sonambulistic
Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program,
including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in
the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois
de Boulogne' and in Toronto there was an additional guitar encore to
make up for the power interruption during the gig.
As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a
special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th
anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this
concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually
broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work
was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the
band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due
to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Caspian Sea', is
pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing
changes, and ditto the second track, 'Sunnyvale' (though the tempo
for both is faster than was originally played.) However, the last
track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was
performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version
as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots
_Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality.
++++++++++++++++++
FYI, the song titles indicated for the Berlin track are official.
Although there also appears to be a *second* title for the second
track: 'Velvet Autumn'. The following is info from Mark Schaffer and
John Burek (with a [very] little hand from me!): In the same radio
show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, the latter 4 - 5
minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. However, the
radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast gives the
track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! It's
possible that the band supplied the radio station with a skeleton
track list, and that subsequently Edgar gave the tracks new names
when he went on the radio show on WDR two years later (thereby
showing that he had forgotten that some of the tracks already had
names).
The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so
at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played
live...eventually!
goozer
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:32
am
Subject: Re: 86 American tour
Greetings all-
'Feldon Feldon' wrote:
> Sorry if I confused things. So parts 2 and 3 of Livemiles were not
> played at the Albequerque show? They were played at other
> shows in 1986 and 1987.
>
> -Morgan
Please re-read the following section excerpted from my previous post:
> If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially
> know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show.
> The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for
> some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' and in Toronto
> there was an additional guitar encore to make up for the power
> interruption during the gig.
The _Livemiles_: 'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3 wern't played live until
the '88 North America tour. They were *never* played during the
'86 tour or '87 Berlin gig.
goozer
>
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 2:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog
I liked Ambience I and II.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Feldon Feldon'
To:
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog
> Another way to hear the Cyclone dialogue more clearly is to pick up the
> Tangerine Ambience I CD. I know many don't like this one or its sequel,
but
> I've always been rather fond of Tangerine Ambience I and II. The Cyclone
> lyrics are said much more clearly on the tribute version.
>
>
> >From: Gustavo Jobim
> >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
> >To: tadream@egroups.com
> >Subject: [tadream] Re: Cylcone,dialog
> >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:10:38 -0200
> >
> >
> > >> When I talk to the people
> > >> who are the trees that grow in the city
> > >> they reply with a fond kindness, slowly
> > >> but there is no answer
> > >> for experience to be made by mistake'
> >
> >Wow, everything sounds so clear now :)
> >Just a little fix: it's actually 'When I talk to people', there's no
'the'.
> >It's a cool intro, huh? I like Cyclone, but rarely play it.
> >
> >np Cyclone
> >
> >Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
> >
>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:48
am
Subject: 86' Concert Matieral
TD's Paris 86', which is also known as Parisian Dream and Three Tier
Dream's third disc are one of the same and bare absolutely no resemblance to
Livemiles, which came from 88' material I believe.
Parisian Dream is a fabulous TD concert recording [with great percussion
work] , that exhibits extended and/or remixed versions from TD's Underwater
Sunlight release, *but even better* IMO. Now that's one bootleg that would
be worthy of being released officially by TD!!
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 1:34
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 86 American tour
There was some Legend in there, too. (unless I'm thinking of some Legend
part that was originally from another album)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
> Most of the 1986 concerts included most of Underwater
> Sunlight plus reworked Stratosfear, Phaedra, Thief, and
> Sorcerer tracks (one of each) and an always wonderful piano
From:
Richard Blek
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:19
pm
Subject: Re:software
Well...not a business message...but I am using for burning Nero 5.0 without
any problems and without crashes. It can even directly burn from MP3 files
with very good quality. I know, I do not have high-tech burner, but Mitsumi
RW-4801...anyway, can recommend this software to all.
r.b.
From:
Vincent Goudreault
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 2:54
pm
Subject: Good moderations
tadream@egroups.com wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:17:19 -0500
> From: Joe Shoults
> Subject: RE: Movie News!
>
(...)
> I banned him.
>
> I'm placing the list on 'new subber moderation', so as to intercept these
(...)
>
> -Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dirtfish [mailto:Stuartdirt@y...]
> > I can't stand people who subsrcibe advertise then
> > unsubsricbe! SO I REALLY AM SORRY BUT.......
(Not only is he a spammer, he is a bad speller)
Sometimes, you just have to appreciate the good work Joe does
keeping us from the spamming evil.
Now, if only users would make a habit of editing the long
posts that they reply to and save us the burden of going through
a high noise to signal ratio, that would just be plain perfect.
8-)
--
C.B.V. Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:14
pm
Subject: RE: ATTN EDGAR: Tracks Across the Universe...
>> Already published? It comes out May 2001. You think it's on the press
>> already?
>
>ah- ok. duh. I don't know how to read! :-
Joe, anyone who knows how book releases work will attest that
with a May 2001 release date, this project is at least in
it's final editing/proofreading cycle. It may even be printed
already, and waiting for the CD to be finished. Or the
other way round...
klaus
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: ATTN Edgar and Klaus Beschorner re TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE CD
I contacted the author, and there will indeed be a chapter on TD,
but no TD track because all of the contributors donated their tracks
and the author assumed that there would be royalty problems because
he thought Edgar would not want to donate but rather receive royalties
for his participation.
Should it not be the case that Edgar would demand royalties, I say
contact this guy posthaste, Edgar! JBrenholts@a... is the e-mail
address for this Jim Brenholts person writing the book, TRACKS ACROSS
THE UNIVERSE. Maybe it's not too late! :)
-- Steven Feldman
From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 4:40
pm
Subject: '86 NA Tour
>Parisian Dream is a fabulous TD concert recording [with great percussion
>work] , that exhibits extended and/or remixed versions from TD's Underwater
>Sunlight release, *but even better* IMO. Now that's one bootleg that would
>be worthy of being released officially by TD!!
The Euro tour setlist was different from the NA tour setlist, but both
included tracks from Legend, including Darkness, Unicorn Theme and Loved by
the Sun sans vocals. The NA tour also featured an unreleased track that
sounds like an outtake from the Le Parc sessions. It's on the Laguna Hills
tape. Great show, great tour. Even after all the shows and all the bands
I've seen, TD in Cleveland in '86 was still by far the best.
Scott
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 6:36
pm
Subject: TD Sheet music at tadream.net!
Thanks to Glynn Naughton for supplying the TD Sheet Music in PDF format!
http://www.tadream.net link 'TD Sheet Music' on main page
note: I have the filesizes there so there are no surprises- some are quite
large for modem users. You might want to right-click and 'Save Target
As...' instead of direct viewing through your browser, especially if you
have an older machine.
Enjoy!
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:55
am
Subject: Okefenokee Gathering 2001
Latest Update:
Date: April 20-24, 2001
Location: Okefenokee Swamp - Helen Foster State Park, Georgia
Cottage Spaces: 16, so far at least 8 are reserved by fans from these
areas:
Arizona
Tennesee
UK
Florida
Idaho
The Nederlands
Georgia
Illinois?
There are also camping sites and if the demand is high (early), we may
be able to get an additional cottage.
Also,
Anyone else care to join us and have a wonderful experience...?
We will experience some beautiful nature and some international fun with
the TD fans exchanging music and laughter :)
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 4:16
am
Subject: Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Include TD!
Hi All,
I asked Jim Brentholts, the author of the upcoming history of
electronica book called TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, about the
possibility of having a TD track on the book's accompanying CD set,
and he said that if it's an exclusive track and will not require
royalty payments, he can do it! :) Here's what he told me:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From: JBrenholts@a...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:01:50 EST
Subject: Re: Re TD and TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE
To: ar402004@b...
hi steven!
folks will disagree with my opinions and folks will agree with them. it
is always a subjective call.
assume that i am familiar with enough of the music that i saw fit to write
a book tracing the chronology of ambient and electronic music. [. . .]
is it too late to accept a track from td for the cd? from a giant like
that? i can always find room, if it is a unique track. at this point, i
cannot accept a recycled track (one from an existing release). i have
well over 240 minutes available, most of which is unique to this project.
i appreciate your help, interest and support.
all the best!
jim
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'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2000 11:33
pm
Subject: 'Civilized Illusions'
I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 -
Phaedra'. Any ideas?
-Morgan
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions'
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 -
> Phaedra'. Any ideas?
'Civilized Illusions' is a track from the Shy People soundtrack that they
played at the
1987 West Berlin concert (the one supposedly represented on Livemiles...heh
heh).
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 8:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Include TD!
Thanks Steve! I take back all the bad things I was thinking about you :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Steven Feldman'
To: 'Tangerine Dream mailing list'
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:16 PM
Subject: [tadream] Jim Brentholts' Book's CD Set Can Still Include TD!
> Hi All,
> I asked Jim Brentholts, the author of the upcoming history of
> electronica book called TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, about the
> possibility of having a TD track on the book's accompanying CD set,
> and he said that if it's an exclusive track and will not require
> royalty payments, he can do it! :) Here's what he told me:
>
> -- Steven Feldman
> + + + + + + +
>
> From: JBrenholts@a...
> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:01:50 EST
> Subject: Re: Re TD and TRACKS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE
> To: ar402004@b...
>
> hi steven!
> folks will disagree with my opinions and folks will agree with them. it
> is always a subjective call.
> assume that i am familiar with enough of the music that i saw fit to write
> a book tracing the chronology of ambient and electronic music. [. . .]
> is it too late to accept a track from td for the cd? from a giant like
> that? i can always find room, if it is a unique track. at this point, i
> cannot accept a recycled track (one from an existing release). i have
> well over 240 minutes available, most of which is unique to this project.
> i appreciate your help, interest and support.
>
> all the best!
> jim
>
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 11:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions'
Feldon Feldon wrote:
>
> I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987 -
> Phaedra'. Any ideas?
Isn't it the same as track 3 from Antarktis?
[ 3.0] 4:27 Bltter aus dem Buch der Khnheit (Civilized Illusions from
Shy People)
Antonio Nunes
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From:
Matthew Stringer
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 2:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions'
I've never been able to track down a copy of Antarktis, is there anyone on the
list who would be kind enough to put one together.
Cheers
Matt
> > Phaedra'. Any ideas?
>
> Isn't it the same as track 3 from Antarktis?
>
> [ 3.0] 4:27 Bltter aus dem Buch der Khnheit (Civilized Illusions from
> Shy People)
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:38
pm
Subject: Sale of 200+ TD live tapes
Hello,
I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have
everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you
are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail.
Each tape is available only once and the charge is minimal.
Regards,
Heiko
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:51
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] '86 NA Tour
>===== Original Message From 'Scott' =====
>The Euro tour setlist was different from the NA tour setlist, but both
How much was the setlist for the UK leg of the tour like the rest of the
European shows? AFAIK, only the UK leg featured the early version of 'Mothers
of Rain' (even though it was an encore).
> The NA tour also featured an unreleased track that
>sounds like an outtake from the Le Parc sessions. It's on the Laguna Hills
>tape.
Which track was this? (I'm pretty sure I've got that show on tape, just can't
remember which track it is right now...)
Great show, great tour. Even after all the shows and all the bands
>I've seen, TD in Cleveland in '86 was still by far the best.
>
>Scott
Gabe
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sale of 200+ TD live tapes
me me me me me me me me me me me me me... ! =)
j.gordon
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Hello,
> I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have
> everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you
> are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail.
> Each tape is available only once and the charge is minimal.
>
> Regards,
> Heiko
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Double Drat
damn!!! sorrrrrrryyyy all...
j.gordon
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Hello,
> I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have
> everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you
> are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail.
> Each tape is available only once and the charge is minimal.
>
> Regards,
> Heiko
>
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Civilized Illusions'
I just confirmed this. Thank you very much!
-Morgan
>From: Antonio Nunes
>
>Feldon Feldon wrote:
> >
> > I've stumbled upon a track leveled 'Civilized Illusions Live Berlin 1987
>-
> > Phaedra'. Any ideas?
>
>Isn't it the same as track 3 from Antarktis?
>
>[ 3.0] 4:27 Bltter aus dem Buch der Khnheit (Civilized Illusions from
>Shy People)
>
>Antonio Nunes
>
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From:
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Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 10:21
pm
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!
To all our American members of the list and to all those in America, please
have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2000 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sale of 200+ TD live tapes
Please do
Phil.
I want to get rid of my TD live audience tape collection (I have
> everything on CDR's now and they only gather dust on my shelves). If you
> are interested you can ask me for a list which I can send via e-mail.
From:
jowers
Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 4:31
am
Subject: WTD: Bristol 1990
Is there someone in the US who has the following 2 shows on CDr WITH
good quality scans of the artwork that would be willing to trade?
BICYCLE RACE / SINGET, DENN DER GESANG VERTREIBT DIE WLFE
Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK
1 CD/44:45 min.
IN DEN GRTEN PHARAOS / BICYLE RACE
Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK
1 CD/74:53 min.
I have hundreds of shows by many different bands. Please contact off-list
if you can help me.
Thanks,
Kevin
kvjowers@i...
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From:
'Eric Rochon'
Date: Tue Nov 23, 1999 11:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] WTD: Bristol 1990
Hi Kevin
I have one of the two... may be both... the scans are perfect... let me
know
I will get back to you for more details...
ric from Canada
>Is t ere someone in the US who has the following 2 shows on CDr WITH
>good quality scans of the artwork that would be willing to trade?
>
>BICYCLE RACE / SINGET, DENN DER GESANG VERTREIBT DIE WLFE
>Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK
>
>1 CD/44:45 min.
>
>IN DEN GRTEN PHARAOS / BICYLE RACE
>Recorded Nov. 6, 1990 Bristol, UK
>
>1 CD/74:53 min.
>
>I have hundreds of shows by many different bands. Please contact off-list
>if you can help me.
>
>Thanks,
>Kevin
>kvjowers@i...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 11:22
am
Subject: Re: lasers
<>
Only if Pink Floyd tours again. :-)
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 8:26
pm
Subject: vinyl wanted
hi everyone
i am after the following on vinyl
Electronic Meditation
alpha centuri
green desert
heart breakers
dream sequence 3lp set
pergamon
legend
in the beggining 6lp set
shy people
3 o'clock high
lily on the beach
melrose
rockoon
i am not really bothered about which label they are on
email me off list
thanks
Duncan McKee
mckee17@m...
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 10:18
pm
Subject: RE: technical question: CDR-90
To all you Easy CD Creator 4 people out there.
After hearing how great most everyone thought 4.0 was I tried it again.
(Don't worry Steve, if it all works out I can stil get you version 4 and the
Nero CD) Anyhow, I an trying to create a CD from wave files and twice now
the tracks have been written to the Cd in the wrong order. So when I view
the tracks on either my PC or hi fi it reads 4,1,2,3,7,5, 6. The CD player
is reading the first track as 4 and so on. I tried it with a rewritable and
got the tracks in a different wrong order. I have been through the options
and cannot find anything to help. It all looks as though it should write the
tracks in the order they appear in the window. It is not doing them by title
or file size. I can't make any sense of it.
Anyone help?
Phil.
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From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 10:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: technical question: CDR-90
Hi
I got a tip for ya, use CDRWin when creating audio cd, the king of audio
burning!!!!
Contact me if you have any questions.
Totta
Phil Wingfield wrote:
> To all you Easy CD Creator 4 people out there.
>
> After hearing how great most everyone thought 4.0 was I tried it again.
> (Don't worry Steve, if it all works out I can stil get you version 4 and the
> Nero CD) Anyhow, I an trying to create a CD from wave files and twice now
> the tracks have been written to the Cd in the wrong order. So when I view
> the tracks on either my PC or hi fi it reads 4,1,2,3,7,5, 6. The CD player
> is reading the first track as 4 and so on. I tried it with a rewritable and
> got the tracks in a different wrong order. I have been through the options
> and cannot find anything to help. It all looks as though it should write the
> tracks in the order they appear in the window. It is not doing them by title
> or file size. I can't make any sense of it.
>
> Anyone help?
>
> Phil.
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 3:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: technical question: CDR-90
Phil,
Are they in the correct order before you start burning? I have found if
you select alot of files to drag into the listing box, the program just
puts them in any order it sees fit. select and drag them one at a time if
this is part of your problem.
Robert
At 10:18 PM 11/23/00 -0000, you wrote:
>To all you Easy CD Creator 4 people out there.
>
>After hearing how great most everyone thought 4.0 was I tried it again.
>(Don't worry Steve, if it all works out I can stil get you version 4 and the
>Nero CD) Anyhow, I an trying to create a CD from wave files and twice now
>the tracks have been written to the Cd in the wrong order. So when I view
>the tracks on either my PC or hi fi it reads 4,1,2,3,7,5, 6. The CD player
>is reading the first track as 4 and so on. I tried it with a rewritable and
>got the tracks in a different wrong order. I have been through the options
>and cannot find anything to help. It all looks as though it should write the
>tracks in the order they appear in the window. It is not doing them by title
>or file size. I can't make any sense of it.
>
>Anyone help?
>
>Phil.
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:07
am
Subject: Re: vinyl wanted
Have them all except 3 o'clock and Legends, but sorry: will never
give them away.... ;-)
As to the pink years: they are re-released in original sleeve
design on 170g Vinyl in Germany. There's been an address for
mail order... but sorry, don't have it anymore. Got to do some
research on the web, or somebody here might know (Heiko?)
cheers
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'duncan mckee' wrote:
> hi everyone
> i am after the following on vinyl
>
>
> Electronic Meditation
> alpha centuri
> green desert
> heart breakers
> dream sequence 3lp set
> pergamon
> legend
> in the beggining 6lp set
> shy people
> 3 o'clock high
> lily on the beach
> melrose
> rockoon
>
> i am not really bothered about which label they are on
>
> email me off list
> thanks
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> mckee17@m...
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: vinyl wanted
Armin Theissen wrote:
> As to the pink years: they are re-released in original sleeve
> design on 170g Vinyl in Germany. There's been an address for
> mail order... but sorry, don't have it anymore. Got to do some
> research on the web, or somebody here might know (Heiko?)
I think Groove Unlimited still sells them, also the German mailorder company
JPC. Right now there is a white label test pressing of Zeit and of Alpha
Centauri up for grabs at eBAY, now this would look nice under someone's
christmas tree?! ;-)
Heiko
From:
Glynn Naughton
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:09
am
Subject: '86 shows
>Hey Dreamers,
>My quest for the 86 Albuquerque tape ended last friday, just as good as I
>remembered. To bad the taper got started late. I remembered them playing
>ricochet, it must have only been the piano medley. Did not recognize the
>Livemiles part, maybe I'll have to relisten now that I have at least
>partially restored my sanity. My initial reaction is that Livemiles may
>have been inspired by the Albuquerque concert.
>Do you all have an opinion on which fan tape from the 86 American tour is
>the most complete and best sounding? For some reason the song selection
>for the 86 tour really hits a sweet spot with me.
>Thanks,
>Steve
The Montreal show features probably the loudest audience scream in the
history of rock concerts during the quiet piano bit. Some guy takes it upon
himself to announce 'YEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!', a
declamation that makes up in sheer gusto for what it lacks in subtlety, and
that causes much amusement amongst the rest of the audience. Bet the band
wasn't too pleased, though. It's worth getting hold of this tape just for
that moment. As I remember, the sound quality overall is pretty good, too,
although it's absolutely ages since I played it.
Did someone say that the track that comes after 'Stratosfear' in these
concerts has now surfaced on the _I-Box_?
Glynn
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] '86 shows
Glynn Naughton wrote:
> Did someone say that the track that comes after 'Stratosfear' in these
> concerts has now surfaced on the _I-Box_?
Yup. It's now called 'Akash deep'. And a rare case where Ed's 'tangentizing'
works, I think it sounds even better now.
Heiko
From:
Vincent Goudreault
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 2:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 713
tadream@egroups.com wrote:
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:09:36 -0000
> From: Glynn Naughton
> Subject: '86 shows
>
(...)
>
> The Montreal show features probably the loudest audience scream in the
> history of rock concerts during the quiet piano bit. Some guy takes it upon
> himself to announce 'YEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!', a
> declamation that makes up in sheer gusto for what it lacks in subtlety, and
> that causes much amusement amongst the rest of the audience. Bet the band
> wasn't too pleased, though. It's worth getting hold of this tape just for
> that moment. As I remember, the sound quality overall is pretty good, too,
> although it's absolutely ages since I played it.
>
We weren't all amused actually. Between that and the two girls who
were chain smoking pot right next to my brother-in-law and myself
(I cannot stand that smell) it marred was was otherwise a perfect
evening.
C.B.V. Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 6:15
pm
Subject: Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News!
Hey TD fans and lovers of EM and adventure...
It looks quite promising that John Christian and Peter Ruczynski (two
thirds of Air Sculpture) will be joining us April 20-24, 2001 at the
Okefenokee Swamp in southern Georgia USA to celebrate the advancement of
electronic swamp music.
I am very excited at the prospect of now having four great EM musicians
participate in this 2nd annual event:
Marcel Engels (Free System Project and musician on the first Oke CD)
Dave Brewer (on the first Oke Best selling EM CD!)
John & Pete of Air Sculpture
I only have 6 places left if you wish to be with us in the cottages, but
there still are other alternatives if you decide later, such as camping
out in a nice and safe campground about 100 meters from the cottages or
I may even be able to get an additional cottage if you respond soon.
Hope you can join us in this millenium event. We plan to have a few
concerts throughout the event and we have a wonderful museum with a
stage where we can hold a show. Edgar and Jerome - let me know when you
plan to show up? :-) (Your staff is welcome of course too).
And at 3AM the swamp bulfrogs sound fantastically interestingly (if
that's proper English).
Vic
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 6:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News!
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Vic Rek'
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:15 AM
Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 - Some Great News!
> Hey TD fans and lovers of EM and adventure...
>
> It looks quite promising that John Christian and Peter Ruczynski (two
> thirds of Air Sculpture) will be joining us April 20-24, 2001 at the
> Okefenokee Swamp in southern Georgia USA to celebrate the advancement of
> electronic swamp music.
>
> I am very excited at the prospect of now having four great EM musicians
> participate in this 2nd annual event:
>
> Marcel Engels (Free System Project and musician on the first Oke CD)
> Dave Brewer (on the first Oke Best selling EM CD!)
> John & Pete of Air Sculpture
>
> I only have 6 places left if you wish to be with us in the cottages, but
> there still are other alternatives if you decide later, such as camping
> out in a nice and safe campground about 100 meters from the cottages or
> I may even be able to get an additional cottage if you respond soon.
>
> Hope you can join us in this millenium event. We plan to have a few
> concerts throughout the event and we have a wonderful museum with a
> stage where we can hold a show. Edgar and Jerome - let me know when you
> plan to show up? :-) (Your staff is welcome of course too).
>
> And at 3AM the swamp bulfrogs sound fantastically interestingly (if
> that's proper English).
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:02
pm
Subject: A good example for Edgar?
'... I considered re-recording or reworking the material before
releasing it again, but the album has a very special sound
representative of a particular time early in my career which I wanted to
preserve. For me, it is a piece of my history I remember fondly.'
(Yanni, on the re-release of his album Optimystique, 9 years after the
original recording)
Antonio Nunes
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:51
pm
Subject: FW: records for sale
contact Rob at mailto:robert.hazelwood1@n...
Hi, I have been put in touch with you by Armin Theissen because I have some
Tangerine Dream records for sale. They include,
Phaedra,Ricochet,Cyclone,Stratosfear,Encore (live),Zeit,Thief soundtrack and
Sorcerer soundtrack.
If you or anyone you know is interested in buying any of them, please
E-mail me and we'll sort something out.
Yours sincerely
Rob Hazelwood
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Thu Nov 23, 2000 1:59
pm
Subject: An interview with Steve Jolliffe
There exists an interview with Steve Jolliffe at
www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm. Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 9:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A good example for Edgar?
First, Edgar would have to LIKE the music that he, Chris, Johannes, and
Peter did.
I don't think he does, otherwise he wouldn't disrespect it so.
-Morgan
>From: Antonio Nunes
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] A good example for Edgar?
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:02:31 +0000
>
>'... I considered re-recording or reworking the material before
>releasing it again, but the album has a very special sound
>representative of a particular time early in my career which I wanted to
>preserve. For me, it is a piece of my history I remember fondly.'
>(Yanni, on the re-release of his album Optimystique, 9 years after the
>original recording)
>
>Antonio Nunes
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 10:02
pm
Subject: Quick hindsight
Some hindsight on my last comment. Edgar has said that he doesn't do music
for the fans, he does it for himself. So he wouldn't have touched the iBox
if he absolutely detested the music.
I think we just get wildly mixed messages out of TD and it's frustrating to
me.
Sorry,
Morgan
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From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Sat Nov 25, 2000 6:25
am
Subject: Rare Johannes Schmoelling CDs now on ebay
For those of you interested in hard to find Tangerine Dream-related CDs,
I've put the following Johannes Schmoelling CDs are now up on ebay. They are
all excellent. I'm letting go of the CD collection.
The Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release, rare!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509214331
The Zoo of Tranquility (Erdenklange re release with new songs)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509217677
Songs No Words
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509220779
Wuivend Riet
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=509223376
Feel free to email if you have any questions.
Alan Cox
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Sat Nov 25, 2000 7:01
am
Subject: TDI Releases on Ebay
In addition to the Schmoelling CDs, I now have the following cds up on ebay:
Transsiberia
Great Wall of China
What a Blast
Oasis
Sohoman
Performing a search for Tangerine Dream should bring them all up. Hope this
is an economical opportunity for someone to pick up a few missing cds for
their collection.
-Alan Cox
From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 1:22
pm
Subject: test
just testing!
From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 4:43
pm
Subject: Discussion Weeks - Statistics
Well, the weekly album discussions have come to a close. Here are some
numbers....
Total posts for the discussions was 679.
At 62 weeks, this works out at 10.95 posts per week.
478 of the posts came within the first 31 weeks... only 201 in the
second 31 weeks. Could this be an indicator of a decline in interest
in the discussions, or could it be that the most worthy albums of
discussion are pre mid-80's? In fact, it was probably dud to the fact
that as we got closer to the present time, most of the albums had been
heavily discussed around their release date, such as Soundmill
Navigator, Sohoman, Mars Polaris etc etc.
The 10 most discussed albums were
1. 40 posts - Phaedra
2. 35 posts - Optical Race
3. 34 posts - Ricochet
=. 34 posts - Tangram
5. 29 posts - Zeit
6. 26 posts - Exit
7. 23 posts - Hyperborea
8. 22 posts - Green Desert
=. 22 posts - 220 Volt
10. 21 posts - Alpha Centauri
=. 21 posts - Rubycon
=. 21 posts - Cyclone
The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks...
Flashpoint
The Park Is Mine
Catch Me If You Can
Rumplestiltskin
Transiberia
Sohoman
What A Blast
Antique Dreams
The Seven Letters Of Tibet
Though for the last few there had been ongoing discussions about
various aspects of the albums anyway...
All 679 posts were read and enjoyed, so thanks to those that found the
time to take part to post their opinions.
No doubt Joe will shortly post details of the replacement, and the new
host. Good luck!
Regards,
Lawry Simm
lawry.simm@f...
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Instant Messenger - lawrysimm
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 5:34
pm
Subject: TD Database-/homepageupdate (Yugoslavian Encore-LP and more..)
Hi everybody!
Now, after working 12+ hours (!), I made an update of my
Tangerine Dream Fanpage after a long time.
I added approx. 30-40 new items.
For example: I rare yugoslavian ENCORE-LP without the US-Flag
onto the cover. Really strange!!! You must see it.
Lots of new promos (mostly LPs, Singles) and some rare stuff, too.
Not all are in the NEWS-section. Just browse through the 'normal' sections.
I hope you like it and it's worth the hard work.
Please have a look onto my new swap- and wants-list!
URL: www.rutka.de/td
Rainer
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 7:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Weeks - Statistics
Just wanted to say thanks to our fearful and departing leader :-) Hey, did
you ever get rid of those SMD magazines?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Lawry Simm'
To: 'Tadream Mailing List'
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:43 AM
Subject: [tadream] Discussion Weeks - Statistics
> Well, the weekly album discussions have come to a close. Here are some
> numbers....
>
> Total posts for the discussions was 679.
> At 62 weeks, this works out at 10.95 posts per week.
>
> 478 of the posts came within the first 31 weeks... only 201 in the
> second 31 weeks. Could this be an indicator of a decline in interest
> in the discussions, or could it be that the most worthy albums of
> discussion are pre mid-80's? In fact, it was probably dud to the fact
> that as we got closer to the present time, most of the albums had been
> heavily discussed around their release date, such as Soundmill
> Navigator, Sohoman, Mars Polaris etc etc.
>
> The 10 most discussed albums were
> 1. 40 posts - Phaedra
> 2. 35 posts - Optical Race
> 3. 34 posts - Ricochet
> =. 34 posts - Tangram
> 5. 29 posts - Zeit
> 6. 26 posts - Exit
> 7. 23 posts - Hyperborea
> 8. 22 posts - Green Desert
> =. 22 posts - 220 Volt
> 10. 21 posts - Alpha Centauri
> =. 21 posts - Rubycon
> =. 21 posts - Cyclone
>
> The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks...
> Flashpoint
> The Park Is Mine
> Catch Me If You Can
> Rumplestiltskin
> Transiberia
> Sohoman
> What A Blast
> Antique Dreams
> The Seven Letters Of Tibet
>
> Though for the last few there had been ongoing discussions about
> various aspects of the albums anyway...
>
> All 679 posts were read and enjoyed, so thanks to those that found the
> time to take part to post their opinions.
>
> No doubt Joe will shortly post details of the replacement, and the new
> host. Good luck!
>
> Regards,
> Lawry Simm
>
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>
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2000 7:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Weeks - Statistics
>From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>Well, the weekly album discussions have come to a close. Here are some
>numbers....
>
>
>The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks...
>Antique Dreams
I reposted my Antique Dreams review during the Antique Dreams discussion
week? I guess it bounced?
-Morgan
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From:
'David Cotner'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 8:47
am
Subject: An inter view with Monte Cazazza.
Hello unto you.
Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Monte Cazazza,
from the archives of:
http://www.hertz-lion.com
I shall post it on other spaces as well. We're now up to inter view
#4...that's number four, folks...
'The Full Monte!'
Monte Cazazza
In what way are you your parents' child?
I don't think (I am) directly very much at all. My interests
and outlook on life are very different from anyone in my family. In
my case, both genetics and environment played a big part in my
development. Without going too much into detail, sometimes what
happens to some people is that the recombination of genetic materials
yields unpredictable outcomes, so that you get a mutational result
that doesn't relate to what one started with. Plus, there could be
genetic strains from long ago that express themselves only in much
later progeny, that, if you were looking for them, would almost be
invisible.
Biologists who think they understand this because they are
finally mapping the human genome are deluding themselves, because they
are not really factoring in all types of subtle and not-so-subtle
influences, both genetically and environmentally. Intellectually,
they really don't know what they are doing because this science has
not been around long enough to make those conclusions. And, of
course, by rationalizing their ideas, they're just creating a tender
trap that they will fall into, and be eaten by their own ignorance.
What aspects of structure does your music share with your upbringing?
Absolutely none.
Are structure and control mutually inclusive?
I don't really understand your question, and where and what
(it is) you are implying here. For me to give an observation, you
would have to give me the definition you are using for these terms,
and why you are applying them to music, etc. etc..
Does structure become an aspect of the aesthetic itself when
composing?
It seems to me, if I am understanding you correctly, that this
would depend on the composer and the piece they are composing, so, it
could go either way.
Is it possible to create a work of art existing independently of the
aesthetic?
It's possible.
What does the term 'power electronics' mean to you? Does that term
refer to the power of electronics, the empowerer, or a third mind?
Black Death Heavy Metal Power Chords.
Insofar as your music goes, why do you do what you do?
Self-expression.
Is chance as important as knowledge, in experimental music?
They're equal.
Is it important, at times, not to know what you're doing, in
experimental music?
It can help.
What is your ancestry?
Mixed-up.
Was your heritage crucial in bringing you to where you are now with
your music?
No.
Does your way of thinking about your music affect your life in
general?
Sometimes.
Should art be consumptive?
If you mean suffering from tuberculosis of the lungs, it
certainly would be fun to create that in the audience, especially if
it was filled with people one did not like.
Are people who answer questions with 'yes' or 'no' stupid, or just
plain lazy?
Depends on the person.
Does experimental music imply a separation of art and artist?
That's each individual's choice, isn't it?
How has your music separated you from living life?
No.
Does your music have an ending point?
No.
Do you see your work continued after you have assumed room
temperature?
Hopefully not. After I'm dead, it would be nice to RIP.
Who do you see today carrying the tradition of experimental music into
tomorrow?
Don't have an answer to that question.
http://brainwashed.com/tg/monte.html
Regards,
David Cotner,
\\\
http://www.hertz-lion.com
for more information: http://www.egroups.com/group/Hertz-Lion
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who?
ummm... who is monte cazazza?
is he a distant cousin of Edgar's?
posting things like this with OT in the subject would be so helpful...
especially with the low mail count in the last few days on the list... i logged
in this morning and thought that i'd somehow slipped through a rip in the
fabric of music...
j.gordon...
--- David Cotner wrote:
> Hello unto you.
>
> Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Monte Cazazza,
> from the archives of:
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:43
am
Subject: [tadream] Thief Live?
howdy, all...
i was browsing my TD CDs this weekend, looking at the spines of the jewel cases
and noticed that my copy of Thief, purchased from Amazon several years ago, has
the name of the album as
Thief Tangerine Dream Live
on both spines... it's nowhere else on the cover... strange, i thought...
this seems a bit more extreme than some typo...
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From:
Kees
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 12:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief Live?
At 01:43 27/11/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>howdy, all...
>
>i was browsing my TD CDs this weekend, looking at the spines of the jewel
>cases
>and noticed that my copy of Thief, purchased from Amazon several years
>ago, has
>the name of the album as
>
>Thief Tangerine Dream Live
>
>on both spines... it's nowhere else on the cover... strange, i thought...
>
>this seems a bit more extreme than some typo...
>
>j.gordon
There's also a Ricochet live, Rubycon live and so on. :-)
All the best.
Kees
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 12:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who?
My response would be more along the lines of...'Who the fuck is Monte
Cazazza!!' :-) Hey Joe, are you awake? Wake up Joe :-) Wake up :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'j.gordon'
To:
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who?
> ummm... who is monte cazazza?
>
> is he a distant cousin of Edgar's?
>
> posting things like this with OT in the subject would be so helpful...
> especially with the low mail count in the last few days on the list... i
logged
> in this morning and thought that i'd somehow slipped through a rip in the
> fabric of music...
>
> j.gordon...
>
>
> --- David Cotner wrote:
> > Hello unto you.
> >
> > Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Monte Cazazza,
> > from the archives of:
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 1:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief Live?
> There's also a Ricochet live, Rubycon live and so on. :-)
cooooool... i hadn't realized that they performed this soundtrack at every
showing of the film... must have been a rough tour...
=)
j.gordon
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From:
Anne Drogyness
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 3:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who?
on 11/27/00 6:34 AM, Frank Arellano at farellano@s... wrote:
> My response would be more along the lines of...'Who the fuck is Monte
> Cazazza!!' :-) Hey Joe, are you awake? Wake up Joe :-) Wake up :-)
Monte Cazazza is an artist/musician who was involved with, among other
things, the early days of 'Industrial' music. While he is an interesting
person, his relevance to Tangerine Dream is sketchy at best (thoug i'm sure
that we could play '6 degrees').
love,
anne
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 4:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An inter view with who?
In a message dated 11/27/00 10:21:05 AM, annedrogyness@a... writes:
>Monte Cazazza is an artist/musician who was involved with, among other
>things, the early days of 'Industrial' music. While he is an interesting
>person, his relevance to Tangerine Dream is sketchy at best (thoug i'm
>sure that we could play '6 degrees').
I'll go for it:
1. Monte Cazazza was involved at some point with Throbbing Gristle.
2. Throbbing Gristle is connected to Brian Lustmord.
3. Brian Lustmord has collaborated with Paul Haslinger.
4. Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream.
Easy enough. ;)
--Daniel
NP: VNV Nation--Empires
From:
Glynn Naughton
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 4:59
pm
Subject: OT: AC/DC next week
Hello there,
Question to UK members. Is anyone going to the AC/DC show at Wembley Arena
next week? I'm toying with it (wasn't sold out last time I looked) but
no-one I know is interested in going. Strangely enough, they don't regard
being deafened whilst watching a 40-odd year old man in a school uniform
inflict brain damage on himself to be an entertaining way of spending an
evening.
Glynn
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 7:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief Live?
Major mistake, as is common on TD covers.
>From: 'j.gordon'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Thief Live?
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:43:06 -0800 (PST)
>
>howdy, all...
>
>i was browsing my TD CDs this weekend, looking at the spines of the jewel
>cases
>and noticed that my copy of Thief, purchased from Amazon several years ago,
>has
>the name of the album as
>
>Thief Tangerine Dream Live
>
>on both spines... it's nowhere else on the cover... strange, i thought...
>
>this seems a bit more extreme than some typo...
>
>j.gordon
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 8:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 6 degrees
> >Monte Cazazza is an artist/musician who was involved with, among other
> >things, the early days of 'Industrial' music. While he is an interesting
> >person, his relevance to Tangerine Dream is sketchy at best (thoug i'm
> >sure that we could play '6 degrees').
>
> I'll go for it:
>
> 1. Monte Cazazza was involved at some point with Throbbing Gristle.
> 2. Throbbing Gristle is connected to Brian Lustmord.
> 3. Brian Lustmord has collaborated with Paul Haslinger.
> 4. Paul Haslinger was a member of Tangerine Dream.
>
> Easy enough. ;)
>
> --Daniel
hmmmmm.... that's only 4 degrees... i think you'll have to go something like
this...
The musical 1776? Why, how is that related to TD?
ahhhh, but of course...
1. The musical was re-released on Broadway recently with Brent Spinner (sp?)
starring in the lead as John Adams.
2. Brent was on Star Trek (New G.)
3. Star Trek is a Sci-Fi TV show.
4. Babylon 5 is ALSO a Sci-Fi TV show.
5. CF scored B5.
6. CF was in TD.
although, i think that 6 degrees and streeeeetching it...
whew... i had no idea that such DIVERSE subject could be discussed here...
just pokin' fun, all...
j.g
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:51
pm
Subject: Re: Discussion Weeks - Statistics
>>The following albums received no posts in their discussion weeks...
>>Antique Dreams
>I reposted my Antique Dreams review during the Antique Dreams
discussion
>week? I guess it bounced?
>Morgan
Come to think of it, I remember you doing just that... I must have
been a bit lapse in noting it down... so that pushes the total posts
to 680! *8-)
Lawry
From:
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Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 3:24
am
Subject: ADRESS PROBLEMS
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From:
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Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 6:44
am
Subject: MORE TD on ebay NOW
I just put the following CDs up for auction on ebay.
Tangerine Dream - The Hollywood Years Volumes 1 and 2
Tangerine Dream - Zoning
Tangerine Dream - Ambient Monkeys
Tangerine Dream - Quinoa
Tangerine Dream - Dream Encores
Tangerine Dream - Seven Letters from Tibet
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Most bids start at $4.99 or $5.99.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 4:25
am
Subject: ot: who is monte cazazza?
Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused with
TG--throbbing gristle. Haven't heard of monte in years. He collaborated
with throbbing gristle back in their heyday...
--teiwaz
np: the worst of monte cazazza
up next: psychic TV--dreams less sweet
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 3:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza?
tei waz wrote:
>
> Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused with
> TG--throbbing gristle.
Probably not, I've seen this same message (spam?) on a few other mailing
lists, including the Vangelis ml and ElectronicMusic.
Antonio Nunes
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 5:32
pm
Subject: A Silly Spam about the Election Results: Good Stuff! ;)
Okay,
So this is off-topic -- I think many of you will enjoy it, just the
same, though. Direct all offlist hatemail to ar402004@b...
if not the White House. ;)
+ + + + + + +
To the citizens of the United States of America...
In the light of your failure to elect a President of
the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby
give notice of the revocation of your independence,
effective today.
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume
monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and
other territories. Except Utah, which she does not
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A questionnaire will be circulated next year to
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noises such as 'like' and 'you know' is an
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Look up 'interspersed'.
2. There is no such thing as 'US English'. We will
let Microsoft know on your behalf.
3. You should learn to distinguish the English and
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4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast
English actors as the good guys.
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Thank you for your cooperation.
From:
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Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:30
pm
Subject: test
Test
From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:36
pm
Subject: Help wanted!
Hi people
Im am looking for the covers to the following TD cd, please contact me if
you got one or more of them.
The cd's
Ossiach live 2cd
Toronto 21-6-86 Massey Hall
Marakesh cd single promo
Munich 9-12-81 Circus Krone 2 cd
Columbus Ohio Theatre 28-8-88
Thanks in advance
Totta
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 3:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza?
Our fearless leader [Joe] got caught asleep on the job :-) I noticed it was
sent at almost 1:30 in the morning. It sure as hell looked like a spam to
me!
Antonio, does Robert Fox remind you of Vangelis? I've seen this comparison a
number of times, but I cannot say either way, because I am unfamiliar with
Vangelis' work. Do you think I'd like his music? If so, which would be a
good starting point? I once very briefly sampled his 'Antarctica, but I
felt it was way too mellow.
From: 'Antonio Nunes'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza?
>
>
> tei waz wrote:
> >
> > Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got confused
with
> > TG--throbbing gristle.
>
> Probably not, I've seen this same message (spam?) on a few other mailing
> lists, including the Vangelis ml and ElectronicMusic.
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 5:31
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza?
well, I did put the list on new subber mod, meaning Posts from new members
require approval. We (moderators) get a heads-up when a post is submitted,
and have a chance to accept or reject it. If it is someone we know, we'll
go in and 'unmoderate' them.
This way, no one can just 'pop in' and spam us.
Also, I don't know what the hell is going on with these damn egroups ads,
but I mailed that check (cheque) over a month ago. I'm having no luck with
a response from Yahoo (egroups' mommy) on status, so I guess I'll have to
cancel the check and try again.
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arellano
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: 11/28/00 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza?
Our fearless leader [Joe] got caught asleep on the job :-) I noticed it
was
sent at almost 1:30 in the morning. It sure as hell looked like a spam
to
me!
Antonio, does Robert Fox remind you of Vangelis? I've seen this
comparison a
number of times, but I cannot say either way, because I am unfamiliar
with
Vangelis' work. Do you think I'd like his music? If so, which would be
a
good starting point? I once very briefly sampled his 'Antarctica, but I
felt it was way too mellow.
From: 'Antonio Nunes'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: who is monte cazazza?
>
>
> tei waz wrote:
> >
> > Wow--a blurb on monte on a TD mailing list--I think they got
confused
with
> > TG--throbbing gristle.
>
> Probably not, I've seen this same message (spam?) on a few other
mailing
> lists, including the Vangelis ml and ElectronicMusic.
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
>
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:04
am
Subject: [tadream] Web pages updated
Hi all,
There have been quite a few additions to my pages in the last couple of
days, in particular the films/video pages (Forbidden, Strange Behavior, Red
Heat, the Keep, City of Shadows, Game of Love, Wavelength, The Man Inside
and Thief) as well as images of the very rare Beach Scene single (at last!)
and the Rumpelstiltskin VHS.
Thanks to Vic Rek and Nicola Cont for the majority of the latest images.
I'm still looking for better quality scans of the following:
Thief (original VHS)
The Keep (laserdisc)
The Game of Love (VHS)
City of Shadows (alternative cover)
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html
Paul
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 9:31
pm
Subject: weird titles
I was reading REALLY OLD digests (from about 2 weeks ago, I think) and came
across Marion's review for Great Wall O' China
(Don't take a battering ram to that wall ;-)
Anyway, she wrote:
>4) Silence the barking monk: what's that about then? - has to be one of
>their weirder titles!
That might be true, but it is outdistanced by a long shot by
'Bent, Cold Sidewalk' and
'Rising Runner, Missed by Endless Sender'
Any other nominations for the top 10 Weirdest TD titles?
James
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
'Owens, James' wrote:
> Any other nominations for the top 10 Weirdest TD titles?
Including titles already mentioned:
Too Hot For My Chinchilla
Penguin Reference
Living in a Fountain Pen
At Darwin's Motel
Elf June and the Midnight Patrol
Silence the Barking Monk
The Purple of All Curtains
Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender
Lemon Vendor Khaly
My Name is Bad Hair
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
My favorite weird title is 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' from Stuntman.
Antonio Nunes
np: Under the Dome - Concerts at Jodrell Bank
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:08
pm
Subject: Quicktime movies
How about these for diverse egroups.
Off topic all round - does anyone out there know if quicktime movies can be
converted to realplayer or media player files and if so, how?
Phil.
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
> Too Hot For My Chinchilla
This is just a naff title.
Flame on.
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
Any other nominations for the top 10 Weirdest TD titles?
Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares - Incidentally the first
track I ever heard.
Thru metamorphic rocks - quite strange.
3am at the border of the marsh from Okefenokee - Most words and pretty
weird, when I first read this title I didn't know that Okefenokee was a
place.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] weird titles
what is 'naff'?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:10 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
>
>
> > Too Hot For My Chinchilla
>
> This is just a naff title.
>
> Flame on.
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2000 11:07
pm
Subject: OFF TOPIC: RE: [tadream] Quicktime movies
try http://www.geocities.com/virtualdub/index.html not sure if it is exactly
what you need, but it converts avi ->mpg or vice versa. best of all, it's
free.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...]
...
> Off topic all round - does anyone out there know if quicktime
> movies can be converted to realplayer or media player files
> and if so, how?
>
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 1:22
am
Subject: Off topic to James Owens
Sorry guys but my e-mails direct to James Owens seem to be getting bounced.
James Owens, if you are out there...please contact me...off list, obviously.
Thanks.
Neal
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 4:11
am
Subject: Re: weird titles
In a message dated 11/29/00 5:19:39 PM, sean@t... writes:
>Including titles already mentioned:
>
>Too Hot For My Chinchilla
>Penguin Reference
>Living in a Fountain Pen
>At Darwin's Motel
>Elf June and the Midnight Patrol
>Silence the Barking Monk
>The Purple of All Curtains
>Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender
>Lemon Vendor Khaly
>My Name is Bad Hair
That's a pretty agreeable list, but I think I would vote for replacing 'The
Purple of All Curtains' with 'Lamb With Radar Eyes.'
--Daniel
NP: Simple Minds--Good News from the Next World
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 11:29
am
Subject: Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was
The problem about something like that is that it
ends up circulating, and if you belong to more
than one list, you end up seeing it eventually on
every list you belong to, as well as the various
bulletin boards, newsgroups, etc, that you visit.
It's funny the first couple times you see but by
the 15th, it's just another thing you have scroll
past.
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 12:29
pm
Subject: weird titles
Anybody who is interested in finding out the lyrics to Bent Cold Sidewalk and
Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender can visit the Horizon Music Web site
at www.hmnetwork.com.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 1:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
DAVKAUFMAN@a... schrieb:
> Anybody who is interested in finding out the lyrics to Bent Cold Sidewalk and
> Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender can visit the Horizon Music Web site
> at www.hmnetwork.com.
I think one of the best things Steve Joliffe ever did was the 'welcome scream'
at
the Berlin Eissporthalle 19th February 1978 concert (which was the first gig on
their European tour). I suspect that most of the people in the audience didn't
know what to expect, 'Cyclone' still wasn't available at that time and I assume
that most of the audience were suspecting music la 'Encore'..after a few
seconds into the slow intro all of a sudden Steve starts to scream (with a
capital 'S'!) something like 'Gaaannnnzaiiiiiiii!!!!' ...Total silence in the
concert hall, and I can almost see the horrified faces of the people :-) But
judging from their reactions it must have been quite a success, and IMO the
music
which was performed is very good.
Heiko
From:
'Patrick L'
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 3:24
pm
Subject: Weird titles
Some weird TD titles imo:
Order of the Ginger Guild
Little blond in the park of attractions
Journey through a burning brain
Birdwatchers dream
Riddle of the monkey tribe
However, Larry Fast/Synergy has a couple of weird titles as well:
Disruption in World Communications
On presuming to be modern
Phobos and Deimos go to Mars
But I like these titles a lot, to me weird is not strange, just
different!
--------------
Patrik, Stockholm
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 3:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was
? what ? did I miss something?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:29 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Silly Spam about Election or whatever it was
>
>
> The problem about something like that is that it
> ends up circulating, and if you belong to more
> than one list, you end up seeing it eventually on
> every list you belong to, as well as the various
> bulletin boards, newsgroups, etc, that you visit.
> It's funny the first couple times you see but by
> the 15th, it's just another thing you have scroll
> past.
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 5:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: weird titles
quarlie@a... wrote:
> That's a pretty agreeable list, but I think I would vote for replacing 'The
> Purple of All Curtains' with 'Lamb With Radar Eyes.'
Yeah, that's true. Forgot about that one. I agree.
Probably my favourite weird title on a TD *related* album is 'Monkey Brain
Sushi', from Paul Haslinger's 'World Without Rules'.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2000 6:10
pm
Subject: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
Just a little public service announcement reminder for you guys to start
thinking about your Eddie and Jerry's top ten tracks, time waits for no one.
:-)
Morgan, do you need a little help with yours? Have you found any yet :-)
Been listening to TD's 'Monolight', what an awesome excerpt from 7:39 -
16:49 ! Also been listening to RMI's track 'Send Off' off of their
'Republic' CD and Ramp's entire CD 'Nodular'. I'm talking 'f ***in' gold'
guys ! :-)
Frank, who also just happens to have the most _beautiful_ little girl in
the entire whole world! :-)
PS I have a feeling it's just gonna be just another great big EM party for
me today. And the day after, and the day after........ :-)
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 2:21
am
Subject: Re: Weird titles
>My Name is Bad Hair
Yeah, and they claimed they stopped doing drugs in 1973. Sure Ed, we believe
you! :-) But seriously, the above title was NOT picked by TD. It's from the
Silva release of Dead Solid Perfect. The titles were chosen by the fine
folks at Silva.
'Penguin Reference' and 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' are my favorites.
Scott
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 3:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Weird titles
Hey Scott, do I need to get my 'Mysterious Semblance' book updated if I got
it a year or so ago? My number is 075
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Scott'
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Weird titles
> >My Name is Bad Hair
>
> Yeah, and they claimed they stopped doing drugs in 1973. Sure Ed, we
believe
> you! :-) But seriously, the above title was NOT picked by TD. It's from
the
> Silva release of Dead Solid Perfect. The titles were chosen by the fine
> folks at Silva.
>
> 'Penguin Reference' and 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' are my favorites.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:07
am
Subject: Rare TD on EBAY
I just put
THE KEEP SOUNDTRACK (TDI version) and
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515630710
THE MAN INSIDE SOUNDTRACK (EMI FRANCE) with Paul Haslinger AUTOGRAPH on
insert.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515632977
*
These are my two rarest TD releases, and I'm letting them go to raise funds
for the new family I've started. My boy Logan is the greatest. No time to
collect anymore.
Anyway, I hope you'll take a look at them:
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 2:00
pm
Subject: Former Tangerine Dream member Steve Jolliffe
There exists an interview with British synthesist, former Tangerine
Dream member and Horizon Music recording artist Steve Jolliffe at the
following URL: www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm.
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 7:12
pm
Subject: Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Frank Arellano' wrote:
>
> Just a little public service announcement reminder for you guys to
start
> thinking about your Eddie and Jerry's top ten tracks, time waits
for no one.
> :-)
>
> Morgan, do you need a little help with yours? Have you found any
yet :-)
I second this announcement chaps: at the last count, we had only
eight folks voting. The chart is to be announced on 'Radio Rak' two
weeks today (and for those who find RealPlayer three a real pain in
the arse, I will post a transcript of the show soon after the
broadcast). If we don't get any more, then we'll have to poll further
among those who did vote, and then we'll announce it... and then come
the court appeals, hanging chads, recounts, etc... :-j
Roger Hartopp
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 7:25
pm
Subject: Anyone else got a copy of the I-Box yet?
A copy of the I-Box arrived here in Poland yesterday. Everyone seems
a little quiet - do you have your copies?
I've only had one initial listen, but have to say there are very few
surprises. Indeed, apart from the start, 'DreamYard'may as well be
simply lifted straight off the studio version of 'Mojave Plan', along
with all the other live tracks. I know if you listen, there are some
differences, but let's face it, the band virtually reproduce studio
tracks note for note, chord for chord, synth to synth live. Is it
really worth releasing 'live' versions when they're virtually the
same? The previously new tracks are not much to write home about
either; surprise surprise, most of these have been written only by
Edgar.
It was interesting to note at the end of the booklet that Edgar has
acknowledged the ex-band members, including Chris Franke, giving them
'special thanks'. Now how about releasing some more old material in
which these members have contributed?
I'm now going through the rest of the tracks. Maybe there's still a
surprise or two to come...
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 9:59
pm
Subject: Another off topic
Sorry folks,
My compulsive collecting of all things 'Dream' has put me in the poor
house. Therefore I cannot afford a good quality Internet provider or e-mail
service. This means that anytime it feels like, my saved e-mails can get
deleted for no apparent reason. This leaves me to scratch my head and try
to remember with whom I have what deal pending. So I stand before you,
red-faced and embarrassed, asking those people with whom I have a current
deal pending, or even if we just kinda mentioned it in passing, would you
please contact me and remind me of what we may have discussed. I remember a
few:
Robert G. (you have EF Ages, right?)
James Owens
I thank my TD friends for there patience and understanding. I am
leaving the room now, you all can let the laughter begin.........(hey, even
I know that this is funny)
Neal
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 6:17
am
Subject: i-box live studio material
Hi everyone,
Having recently heard the 'live' tracks included on the i-box, I felt I had to
comment on a recent feature of some of TD's 'live' releases, a feature which I
am amazed they can even get away with.
Having listened closely to certain tracks on this boxset, I'm sure I can't be
the only one to strongly suspect that most, if not all, of the material stated
as being live are merely re-mixed studio versions.
Have 'Cool At Heart' and 'Crystal Curfew' ever even been played live anywhere?
Surely the live version of 'Electric Lion' played in 1990 had no guitars in it?
Are those effects on the drums and other sounds on several other tracks merely
to give them a live feel? Where is Paul Griesbach's additional saxaphone on
'Long Island Sunset' and 'Melrose'? And as for 'Mojave Plan' on the Perth
recording, why isn't this the extended live version that they always seemed to
play in 1981 and 82? Every live rendition I've ever heard of this track has
been longer than that on 'White Eagle'. And now, a perfect-sounding short
version mysteriously appears. Conclusion? You tell me, but I know what I think.
TD's integrity seems to be a thing of the past now. What with re-releases with
an extra track tacked on the end, 'live' material that suspiciously sounds
lilke re-hashed studio versions, old recordings either released with sound
faults or unneccessary overdubs. And to think, Edgar used to complain about
record companies 'prostituting' TD's music. This is exactly what he is doing to
it now! And he wonders why there is such a big demand for fans collecting
unofficial live recordings. It's because it's the only chance we get to hear
the real live TD!
Don't get me wrong, nothing would please me more in this world than for TD to
release some live material from days gone by, as long as they leave it to exist
in its original state. A lot of the people on this list have an encyclopaedic
knowledge of TD's concerts and music, and we know when something has been
altered or falsified in some way. The sooner Edgar realises this and starts to
release what we really want, the better for all concerned.
- Chris Owen
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 10:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] i-box live studio material
>From: 'Chris Owen'
>
>Hi everyone,
>
Surely the live version of 'Electric Lion' played in 1990 had no guitars in
it?
Much 1990 material had added guitar and keyboard work.
>Where is Paul Griesbach's additional saxaphone on 'Long Island Sunset' and
>'Melrose'?
Not included on the backing DAT they brought with them?
>And as for 'Mojave Plan' on the Perth recording, why isn't this the
>extended live version that they always seemed to play in 1981 and 82?
A much shortened version of Mojave Plan premiered in late 1982 and played
through 1983 as an encore. The version played at the Dominion Oct 1982
concert (missing from Logos) was still the extra-long version you describe
(of which, the best version is probably found on Ratikon/Fractal Realities)
so I'm not sure when the new version premiered or if it simply depended on
their mood which version they played.
>And to think, Edgar used to complain about record companies 'prostituting'
>TD's music. This is exactly what he is doing to it now! And he wonders why
>there is such a big demand for fans collecting unofficial live recordings.
>It's because it's the only chance we get to hear the real live TD!
>Don't get me wrong, nothing would please me more in this world than for TD
>to release some live material from days gone by, as long as they leave it
>to exist in its original state. A lot of the people on this list have an
>encyclopaedic knowledge of TD's concerts and music, and we know when
>something has been altered or falsified in some way.
Chris, you can't have it both ways. You can't complain about improvised
versions of the songs played live but then also complain when a track
labeled 'live' is identical to the studio release. I'm not accusing you of
anything as I have not heard the i-Box myself. After listening to it, I may
concur with your opinions!
As soon as I get my i-Box, I will compare it to the concert recordings I've
heard so far (I don't profess to be an expert on this, as revealed on my
Studiomiles flub last week!)
-Morgan
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 3:47
am
Subject: Thanks TDI
i received my I-Box from TDI a few days ago. included with it were a couple of
souvenirs from the Ground Liftaz event. a post card announcing the event and
another card for the event which is very nicely illustrated on both sides. but
above all else i want to thank TDI for this great Christmas gift which is the
I-Box. this is a beautiful set and the music on it is wonderful. i really love
disc 6 which is the Perth Tapes. now this is some great music. it sure was cool
for them to give us this set at such a good price. now who could complain at a
little over 8 bucks a disc which includes shipping. i personally would have
paid alot more for this set, but luckily i didn't have too. also i think alot
more fans will buy this set because of its low price. Have a great Christmas
and a happy New Year all at TDI and also to all on this list.
Tom
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 4:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Weird titles
are you sure Scott? i could have sworn that Jerome came up with that name. :-)
--
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:21:28 Scott wrote:
>>My Name is Bad Hair
>
>Yeah, and they claimed they stopped doing drugs in 1973. Sure Ed, we believe
>you! :-) But seriously, the above title was NOT picked by TD. It's from the
>Silva release of Dead Solid Perfect. The titles were chosen by the fine
>folks at Silva.
>Scott
>
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anyone else got a copy of the I-Box yet?
>From: 'Roger Hartopp'
>
>A copy of the I-Box arrived here in Poland yesterday. Everyone seems
>a little quiet - do you have your copies?
>
>I've only had one initial listen, but have to say there are very few
>surprises. Indeed, apart from the start, 'DreamYard'may as well be
>simply lifted straight off the studio version of 'Mojave Plan', along
>with all the other live tracks. I know if you listen, there are some
>differences, but let's face it, the band virtually reproduce studio
>tracks note for note, chord for chord, synth to synth live. Is it
>really worth releasing 'live' versions when they're virtually the
>same? The previously new tracks are not much to write home about
>either; surprise surprise, most of these have been written only by
>Edgar.
Truly sad considering how many highly improvised versions of 1980-1982
tracks exist on various concert recordings that few people have had the
pleasure of hearing. I love the THIRTY minute version of 'Poland' as played
in Tokyo.
-Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box Pricing
>From: Sean Montgomery
>
>This news comes too late for those of you who have already ordered the
>I-Box through the TDI site, but the set's price continues to fall on the
>websites of major online retailers. CDNow and CD Universe both now have
>it for around $32.50, and using coupons available at
>http://cdshopper.cjb.net/ pretty much covers the cost of shipping. At
>this rate, I think I may cave in and get it after all.
CDNow.com wants $40.49 for it and says it's not available until December
12th.
CDUniverse.com has it for $32.41 and also says its availability date is
December 12th.
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From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 12:08
am
Subject: Selling Autographed The Man Inside Soundtrack
Sorry if this is a repost. I have had email problems.
I just put the following up on ebay:
THE KEEP SOUNDTRACK (TDI version) and
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515630710
THE MAN INSIDE SOUNDTRACK (EMI FRANCE) with Paul Haslinger AUTOGRAPH on
insert.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515632977
These are two of my rarest TD releases, and I'm letting them go to raise
funds for the new family I've started. My boy Logan is the greatest. No time
to collect anymore.
Anyway, I hope you'll take a look at them:
From:
'Tom Melrose'
Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 3:33
am
Subject: Edgar and Jerome Top 10
1: Dream Sculpture (from What A Blast)
2: Fairfax (from Holywood Years 1)
3: Red Roadster (from Rockoon)
4: Bride In Cold Tears (From Dream Mixes 1)
5: Firetongues (From Turn of the Tides)
6: Catwalk (From Tyranny of Beauty)
7: Big City Dwarves (From Rockoon)
8: Ca va Ca Marche-Ca Ira Encore (From Tan-go)
9: Waterborne (From Oasis)
10:Elf June and the Midnight Patrol (from Goblins Club)
Tom (Melrose)
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 2:48
pm
Subject: homepage update & holiday
Hi all,
just before leaving on a holiday with no email access until
Dec 19, I have updated my homepage.
There are news in newstuff.txt , my swap and sales list
has been updated, and the concert collectors will find a
few new, interesting hints in remcorr.txt
This month's rarity is a TD cartoon, not a MP3 as usual.
Hope you'll like it !
http://www.caby.de/Music
best regards
klaus
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 10:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] weird titles
> what is 'naff'?
Crap
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Mon Dec 4, 2000 5:15
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
Hi all,
I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally
impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff
only by the way):
1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside')
2. 'Towards the Evening Star' ('Goblins Club')
3. 'Fort Worth Runway One' ('Goblins Club' digipak/'Dream Encores')
4. 'Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne Va Plus - Sunrise Club Mix)' ('Limited
World Tour Edition 1997' CD single/'Dream Mixes III' pre-release 12' single)
5. 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' ('Shepherd's Bush' CD single/'Dream
Encores')
6. 'Ca Va, Ca Marche, Ca Ira Encore' ('Dream Dice Silver'/'Tang-go')
7. 'Dare to Change' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2')
8. 'Summer Storm' ('Oasis')
9. 'Riding the Lizard Overland' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2')
10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm')
I wanted to include 'Desert Dream', 'Monolight' and 'Logos (Blue Part)' from
'Tangents', but I know it would start a flame war because they are new
versions of old tracks despite the fact that they were all completely
re-recorded in 1994). On the other hand, it could be argued that some of
the above are not 90's tracks either...pity we can't include anything from
the 3 'Classics Edition' CDs either, because 'Phaedra from Nottingham' would
be straight in there too...
Paul
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From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:17
pm
Subject: Edgar and Jerome Top 10
1: Dream Sculpture
2: Fairfax
3: Red Roadster
4: Firetongues
5: Elf June and the Midnight Patrol
6: Bride in Cold Tears
7: Comets Figure Head
8: Waterborne
9: Big City Dwarves
10:Oriental Haze
Tom (Melrose)
From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Mon Dec 4, 2000 11:41
pm
Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
>===== Original Message From 'Paul Fellows' =====
>Hi all,
>
>I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally
>impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff
>only by the way):
>
>1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside')
Sorry to burst your bubble Paul, but this is a late '80s track that's
Froese/Haslinger...
>10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm')
were we allowed to include Edgar solo tracks???
That would change my top 10 list a whole lot...
Gabe
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 10:57
am
Subject: Edgar and Jerome Top 10
1. Timesquare (Dream Mixes 2)
2. Waterborne (Tournado version)
3. Rising haul in silence (Tournado version)
4. Lamb with radar eyes (Tournado version)
5. Pixel pirates (Dream Mixes 2)
6. Outland (Mars Polaris)
7. Bride in cold tears (Dream Mixes 1)
8. Touchwood (Rockoon)
9. Twilight brigade (Turn of the Tides)
10. 220 volt (220 Volt)
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 12:02
pm
Subject: Clip of the week
Hello all!
I found an interesting link for those of you who like Pink Floyd. A twelve
minute webcast containing music and history of the group. It will be
available until 15th of Jan and it is free. You'll have to bear with an
American Express commercial first but it's worth it. Here is the link:
http://www.dmusic.com/news/news.php?id=3543
Enjoy!
/Olle
From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 12:05
pm
Subject: '86 shows and things the audience have said
Glynn Naughton wrote:
The Montreal show features probably the loudest audience scream in the
history of rock concerts during the quiet piano bit. Some guy takes
it upon himself to
announce 'YEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!',
A guy in the audience at the Edinburgh Playhouse show went one
better. During Paul H's quiet piano intro of the first encore before
Rare Bird, the guy (who'd had a bucketful to drink) roared in a broad
Scottish voice 'Gawn yerself - GAWN YERSELF BIG BOY!' Paul shook his
head laughing and even Edgar gave a wry grin and had a laugh. Welcome
to Scotland.....
Any more things from the audiences?
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 12:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] '86 shows and things the audience have said
colin anderson schrieb:
> Any more things from the audiences?
Yes, Hamburg Congress Center 16.10.1980....Throughout the concert some guy
in the audience is roaring & shouting, it's completely nerve-racking. Near
the end of the concert some other guy is shouting 'Halt's Maul!!'..which
means 'Shut up!'. This always reminds me of Robert de Niro in the remake of
'Cape of Fear' where he is sitting one on of the front seats in the cinema,
smoking and laughing all the time ;-)
Another one of my favourites is Mainz Elzer Hof 29.10.76, about three or
four minutes of senseless improvisation it's obvious that TD lost their way,
and suddenly someone is roaring 'Do something!!'...and after this it's
really getting better. Another memorable moment is the encore, just a few
seconds after Edgar is playing the first note the same guy (?) is screaming
'Rock'n'Roll!!'
Heiko
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 2:43
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
----------
>De: Gabe Yedid
> : tadream@egroups.com
>Objet: RE: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
>Date: Mar 5 dc 2000 0:41
>
>>===== Original Message From 'Paul Fellows' =====
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the normally
>>impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly 90's stuff
>>only by the way):
>>
>>1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside')
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble Paul, but this is a late '80s track that's
> Froese/Haslinger...
Perhaps, but it wasn't released until 1991 on CD, so it counts...
>
>>10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm')
>
> were we allowed to include Edgar solo tracks???
Why not? It's an 'Eddie' track...and let's face it, there are some tracks
on 'Beyond the Storm' which mysteriously appear on TD albums too...see my
pages for more details. Loosen up man, we're voting for our favourite TD
tracks, not for the next US president (thank God, because it'd go on for
ever...)
>
> Gabe
>
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 8:58
pm
Subject: ISP
Can anyone in the UK suggest any ISP's they are happy with. I would be
grateful for your ideas. I'm getting *********************** off with mine.
Thanks
David
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From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2000 9:08
pm
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
Well if Ed and Jerry can include Mothers Of Rain, Too Hot for my
Chinchilla and Three Bikes In the Sky on Tan-go then I guess. Just a
thought, I'd hate to see anyone disenfrancised.
Tom (Melrose)
From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 3:02
am
Subject: New CD Now discount coupon!
Hi there.
There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase
39.95, expires december 29.
The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499
BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the
I-box cheaper.
There you go.
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 5:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon!
Thanks for the advice, Miguel. I've just been to CD Now and ordered the
I-box. I notice that it's not being released till 12 December. Funny, I was
under the impression that it was already available. Anyway, the discount
almost covers the postage to Aotearoa, so it's some saving.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:02 PM
Subject: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon!
> Hi there.
>
> There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase
> 39.95, expires december 29.
>
> The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499
>
> BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the
> I-box cheaper.
>
>
> There you go.
>
>
> --
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From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 2:12
pm
Subject: TD on vinyl available
Hey all!
I just cleaned out my last bits of TD-vinyl some time ago, but when
scouring through some of Stockholms secondhand-shops I found some
gems... Didnt buy them, but if any of you guys are interested, Id
be happy to help you.
I found:
-TD: Staatsgrenz West (2 copies)
-EF: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale (the re-issue, Virgin OVED)
-EF: Kamikaze 1989
Just reply or mail me offlist, and well arrange something...
All the best
Jim
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From:
'Tom Melrose'
Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 4:41
pm
Subject: D: [studio] Great Wall Of China
Tangerine Dream - Great Wall Of China
1: Meng Tian
Reminds me of Transiberia, but not as repetitive ... quite. Once the melody
develops it sounds similar to Astrophobia. Nothing spectcular IMO.
2: Summer in Shauxi
As much as I love Korgs, even I can get sick of the half piano/half guitar M1
patch. That said I like this tune, but a whole album of this would be a bit
much so maybe I'll lay off Seven Letters from Tibet for now.
3: The South Gate Knights
This is much better. More choir synth ala Dream Sculpture over a repetitive
bass sequence reminicent of Astral Voyager. A delightful track which is slowly
built up similar to the style of Convention of the 24 or Pilots of Purple
Twilight.
4: Silence the barking Monk
After the weird opening, a track that save for the synth sounds wouldn't sound
too out of place on Optical Race. Very timid drums in rapidly changing
patterns.Although it sounds like a few doodles stuck together it is suprisingly
pleasant.
5: Zhu Zhanji
A very slow opening that leads to a fairly slow drum pattern and mediocre tune.
Nothing to see here, move along.
6: Stranded Without Shade
A combination of overlayed sequences lead into a basic chord sequence and the
enevitable drum pattern. A fairly pleasent mix of washy chords and pleasant
melody doesn't take the track too far but at least it takes a fairly scenic
route.
7: No More Candles Burning
Listening to this track, you'd almost swear you'd heard it 10 minutes ago. Very
similar to earlier material on the CD just a little slower.
8: Lights Of Beijing
Another slow piano and synth melody track with a few weird sound effects thrown
in for good measure. Although nothing special compositionally, some of the
better piano playing/sequencing since the Haslinger days. Definetly a grower
this one.
9: Snow on Dragon's Peak
Straight down to business with this track, no fancy intro or effects. The drums
are pleasantly subdued to the beautiful melodies and sweeping unobstrusive
chords.
10: Cradle Of Prodigies
A lovely echoey sitar is quickly complemented by the chords and oriental vocal
samples to set a nice background to this piece. Then the sequence kicks in, in
a more Logos fashion than anything recently. A series of cascading short
sequences of notes blend nicely with the bass sequence and one is reminded of
the glory days but we change to a Dream Mixes style track and all is lost.
11: Tiger Forest
A gentle break beat leads the finds track into not a whole lot. Eventually some
form of sequence appears but is given nothing to blend with. Just before I was
about to give up and change the CD a harp sound goes someway to saving the
track from total suckdom, but it's still probably the weakest track on the CD
IMO.
Overall, breaking this CD down track by track, there only seem to be two or
three worthy tracks but on the whole it is quite a pleasant listening
experience.
2.5 out of 5
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Dec 6, 2000 5:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on vinyl available
Jim, as I have heard good things about Epsilon In Malayasian Pale I would be
interested in how much it would cost. Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jim Rasmussen'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:12 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD on vinyl available
Hey all!
I just cleaned out my last bits of TD-vinyl some time ago, but when
scouring through some of Stockholms secondhand-shops I found some
gems... Didnt buy them, but if any of you guys are interested, Id
be happy to help you.
I found:
-TD: Staatsgrenz West (2 copies)
-EF: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale (the re-issue, Virgin OVED)
-EF: Kamikaze 1989
Just reply or mail me offlist, and well arrange something...
All the best
Jim
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 1:10
am
Subject: Okefenokee 2001 Update
Hey TD & EM friends,
Here's an update on who is officially going to the Swamp next April:
1. Dave Brewer (EM artist on the first Oke CD)
2. Tom
3. Marion
4. Roger
5. Frank
6. Marcel - Free System Projekt
7. Jim
8. John - Air Sculpture
9. Pete - Air Sculpture
10. Bob
11. Vic
12. Bill
I have only used first names just in case someone would not like to be
mentioned, but contact me immediately if you think you are going to the
event (or want to go), but are not on the list - I've had a flurry of
e-mails lately about getting into this event.
This event is already double than we had last year, but I have received
many e-mails that others may join us. I have ONLY 4 spots left unless I
can reserve another cottage. But in reality we are close to being
booked because I plan to save some room for Edgar and Jerome (or his
staff) if they choose to participate :-)
If you wish to come (or your family or friends), please let me know
immediately, so I can look at other options. I would like to have the
final party list finalized by mid January. Any late-comers can join us
at the campsite or nearby (50 miles) motel ;-)
Maybe I sound a little brash, but I have a day job too. I just want to
have a good time with fellow TD/EM enthusiasts. Life is short - let's
have a good time to remember (so we can pass it down to our children)!
Vic
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 3:20
am
Subject: Steve Jolliffe reviews
Reviews of several Steve Jolliffe CD's can be found on the space.com Web site
under the following URL:
www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_jolliffe_000615.html. I hope you
enjoy the reviews.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: [audiences
Talking about some of the things that audiences
are heard saying on some of the tapes, how about
the bit on the Santa Monica 77 tape, during
Cherokee Lane, where someone says something to
the effect of 'Hey, do you know what album this
comes off of?'. Uhm, it's from the album they're
gonna release after this tour. :-)
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From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 5:04
pm
Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
Frank wrote:
>Jim, as I have heard good things about Epsilon In Malayasian Pale I
>would be interested in how much it would cost.
>Thanks
Hi Frank!
It really is a great album! I recently saw it mentioned in Swedish
magazine for musicians listed as one of the greatest Mellotron-
albums, referring to track two on the LP, 'Maroubra Bay'.
Im not interested in making any profits on deals like this,
Im
happy with helping EM-lovers finding stuff they want.
(How'd that sound? , a regular saint, Im not always like that ;)
The store unfortunately know how rare this has become, so they ask
150 SEK = 16 US Dollars for it, even if its a re-release.
(Condition's great though, both cover and record.)
Shipping to the States is kind of pricy here in Sweden, so you have
to add another $12 for that...
BUT - I just saw it on e-bay.com for just $8, the original 1975
release on Brain records, located in Frisco!
Check out
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=512854797
and start bidding.
Hope you get it, as I said its one of the good ones!
All the best
Jim
Sweden
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [audiences
Can you give a track time on this?
>From: Chris Richards
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Re: [audiences
>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:05:34 -0800 (PST)
>
>Talking about some of the things that audiences
>are heard saying on some of the tapes, how about
>the bit on the Santa Monica 77 tape, during
>Cherokee Lane, where someone says something to
>the effect of 'Hey, do you know what album this
>comes off of?'. Uhm, it's from the album they're
>gonna release after this tour. :-)
>
>
>
>=====
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>The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
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>Jones
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Date: Thu Dec 7, 2000 10:12
pm
Subject: Brandnew 'White Out'
Hi dreamers,
today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'! It's a
great item. The front cover is black with a small
picture of the original coverprint. This actual version had been rerecorded and
remixed in 2000 - and it's got two additional new tracks! The tracks are:
1. white out 10:26
2. navigator's chatter 5:48
3. icewalk 6:11
4. the big nail 4:08
5. rain echeos 6:39 (new)
6. native eye, native ear 4:58
7. a great continent 8:14
8. a long way home 4:24 (new)
9. anian path 5:48
10. icewalk 6:25 (mix 2000)
The 6-page booklet includes 4 pages with a statement by Johannes Schmoelling
over the 'white out'- conception (in German language). Very interesting.
It's a real great item. If you want more information look on the Johannes
Schmoelling - Homepage http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm and wait
for updated 'News'.
Dream on
Uwe
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 7:43
am
Subject: 2 rare Tour Books on EBAY
Hi all,
on EBAY you found two auction with rare Tour Book from TD,
please look under:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=520913514
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=520921890
Bye
Heiko Neumann
Burg
Germany
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out'
herold.u@t... schrieb:
> Hi dreamers,
>
> today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'! It's
a great item.
Thanks Uwe,
now this is great news indeed. I still believe 'White out' is Johannes' best
solo effort, and 2 or 3 years ago I foolishly traded my original misprint (!)
copy (hi Rainer!
;-)...well, let's hope that Johannes is soon releasing a new studio album, too
much time has been gone now since 'Songs no words' was released.
Heiko
From:
'Patrik .'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out'
herold.u@t... schrieb:
Hi dreamers,
today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'!
It's a great item.
------------
Good news!!
Johannes is such a brilliant musician.
a nice weekend to you all!
Patrik, Stockholm
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 2:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon!
it is available now from TDI. i got mine 2 weeks ago.
tom
--
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:00:34 John Marchington wrote:
>Thanks for the advice, Miguel. I've just been to CD Now and ordered the
>I-box. I notice that it's not being released till 12 December. Funny, I was
>under the impression that it was already available. Anyway, the discount
>almost covers the postage to Aotearoa, so it's some saving.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:02 PM
>Subject: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon!
>
>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum purchase
>> 39.95, expires december 29.
>>
>> The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499
>>
>> BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to get the
>> I-box cheaper.
>>
>>
>> There you go.
>>
>>
>> --
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From:
Jonathan Hierholzer
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 7:55
am
Subject: new to list hello!
Hi everyone,
I recently got into TD and just wanted to say hi to all the list members. Also
checking to see if this is the right address! :-)
Jonathan H. / cool_piccolo
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From:
'S.C.Slator'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:10
pm
Subject: Simon Slator is BACK... in more ways than one!
Hello again. Been a good few months since I last posted. Well, that's
student life for you! Just a few things to start off with:
1. I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and
found the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can
I confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo
over a blue/white gradient backdrop?
2. I've also started a reviews site that deals with minority genres
such as progressive and e-music. Next issue (coming next
Monday/Tuesday) will feature a section called 'Worth Hunting Down', of
which Peter Baumann's 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' will be the pioneer. The
address is http://www.simonslator.co.uk/aaa
3. Some of you may remember my e-music endeavors (sp?), and I've just
issued my fifth album. This is the 'promo blerb' that goes with it:
If 'Cold Sun' was my 'Ricochet' and 'The Mosaic Effect' was my
'Force Majeure'...
... 'Lifeline' is my 'Pergamon'
'Lifeline', my fifth album release, is now on sale at
http://www.mp3.com/simonslator for 6.99 US$. You can either
order the CD online through Mp3.com, or you can mail order it
direct from me for 7.25 GBP. If you want to mail order it, send
me an e-mail and I'll send you details of how to go about it.
The album is in two parts, running for 17:21 and 20:38
respectively. Part 1 is the more electronically intense of the
two, while the second part is more soothing and relaxing. Part
1 can still be downloaded in its entirety from mp3.com along
with the first movement of Part 2.
Please consider buying a copy - your support is much
appreciated. Let's see if we can exceed the success of 'Cold
Sun' (which was released almost a year ago to the day).
Thanks again,
Simon Slator.
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From:
DoKToR STRaNGe
Date: Sun Dec 3, 2000 5:52
pm
Subject: TD MEMBBER
IF YOU WANT,I HAVE A VIDEO + SOME TRACKS-RECORDINGS OF A LIVE-ACT FROM 'STARS
SOUND ORCHESTRA'
(REMEMBER MR.STEVE SCHROYDER FROM T.D.&ASHRA ?) DURING TWO TRANCE-PARTY IN
PARIS,IN THE CHILL-OUT ZONE,
WITH DR.STRANGE'ZEN QUIET VIBES FORMATION .ATCHAOWWWWWWWW.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 2:27
pm
Subject: OT: HEADS UP news about egroups
Hey guys and gals-
I'm editing out most of the anouncement I got this morning to let you know
about some upcoming enhancements to egroups, which has been absorbed by
Yahoo:
...
> eGroups will now be called Yahoo! Groups. Don't worry, all eGroups
> email and web addresses will continue to work, all data and event
...
>WHAT'S NEW?
>
> Yahoo! Groups will have lots of new features and even better
> customization. Upon launch, you will be able to:
>
> * Chat with other group members using our improved Yahoo! Chat.
> * Add a splash of color to your group, or a main page photo, all
> without knowing HTML.
> * See when group members are online and communicate with group members
> in real time using Yahoo! Messenger.
> * Reach a larger audience. You will have the entire Yahoo! Network at
> your doorstep.
From:
snowdog747@a...
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon!
Concerning U.S. pricing for i-box. I cancelled my order at amazon after
checking cduniverse as suggested on this group. Price was $32 vs $44. Now I
will wait to see if they deliver quickly and it isn't some modified release
package.
BJG
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
>The store unfortunately know how rare this has become, so they ask
>150 SEK = 16 US Dollars for it, even if its a re-release.
Just a question of local interest to Jim:
Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr cd-rariteter sse?
(I Stockholm allts)
Olle
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Simon Slator is BACK... in more ways than one!
> 1. I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and
> found the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can
> I confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo
> over a blue/white gradient backdrop?
The original LP that I have as well as the original CD both from
Jive/Electro I believe both have the TD logo as you described.
From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:50
pm
Subject: rare TD auctions
If anyone is interested I just placed a number of rarer TD items up for auction
on e-bay. Give yourself a Christmas present!
This is a link that shows all my auctions. Make sure your e-mail program
does not split the link up or it will not work. OR search on my user ID
'a71spud'
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=a71spud&include\
=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] rare TD auctions
< give yourself a Christmas present > My friend Tom and I have been doing
this all year round! :-D Santa Klaus :-) has *really* been nice to us !
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joel S. Mullen'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:50 AM
Subject: [tadream] rare TD auctions
> If anyone is interested I just placed a number of rarer TD items up for
auction
> on e-bay. Give yourself a Christmas present!
>
> This is a link that shows all my auctions. Make sure your e-mail program
> does not split the link up or it will not work. OR search on my user ID
'a71spud'
>
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=a71spud&inc
lude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
>
>
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 5:54
pm
Subject: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks, but no chart yet...
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Paul Fellows' wrote:
>
>
> ----------
> >De: Gabe Yedid
> > : tadream@egroups.com
> >Objet: RE: Re : [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
> >Date: Mar 5 dc 2000 0:41
> >
>
> >>===== Original Message From 'Paul Fellows' =====
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I'm sure you're all bursting to know the personal tastes of the
normally
> >>impartial editor of the Dream Gallery, so here goes (strictly
90's stuff
> >>only by the way):
> >>
> >>1. 'Purposes of Brevity' ('The Man Inside')
> >
> > Sorry to burst your bubble Paul, but this is a late '80s track
that's
> > Froese/Haslinger...
>
> Perhaps, but it wasn't released until 1991 on CD, so it counts...
> >
> >>10. 'Carneol' (Edgar Froese solo from 'Beyond the Storm')
> >
> > were we allowed to include Edgar solo tracks???
>
> Why not? It's an 'Eddie' track...and let's face it, there are some
tracks
> on 'Beyond the Storm' which mysteriously appear on TD albums
too...see my
> pages for more details. Loosen up man, we're voting for our
favourite TD
> tracks, not for the next US president (thank God, because it'd go
on for
> ever...)
>
> >
> > Gabe
It looks like we're going to have to clarify the rules again...
1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which
album (or which mix) it is.
2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991
don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set)
3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material.
4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994,
`Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda.
5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may
contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD
album, so all tracks on here may be included.
6. Albums released as TANGERINE DREAM please! Okay, it's a 'so-
called' new rule, but I thought everyone realised it was meant to be
a Tangerine Dream chart, not a solely Eddie chart. Oh dear, cue
'Zoning' flamers... go away please! It is credited to TD!!!
Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points; number two given
nine points, and so on down to number ten, which will receive one
point. For lists posted `in no particular order', tracks will be
counted as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending how you look
at it), as each track will share the total points available from one
to ten between them, hence each track will receive 5.5 points each.
For this chart, we really needed as many of you as possible to vote
as we obviously have considerably more votes to spread around Edgar &
Jerome's tracks than the total number of TD albums which were voted
for in the last chart.
However, the number of votes cast so far as been disappointing. There
is no way we can organise a credible chart for the radio show next
Friday with only ten folks having voted so far.
I suggest we now move this chart into the New Year so the rest of you
can think about an Eddie & Jerry chart, and once we get a minimum of
thirty sets of votes, then I can schedule the programme (god Joe &
Lawry, I know how you feel...)
I've received one off-list e-mail from someone who suggests I can go
to another discussion group in Poland who are keen to take part in
the vote. I shall visit them in due course and see what they have to
say.
In the meantime, Frank, keep your eyes peeled if any more top tens
come through. I will periodically remind everybody that the voting is
still open...
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 6:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks, but no chart yet...
>From: 'Roger Hartopp'
>It looks like we're going to have to clarify the rules again...
>
>
>1. If there is more than one version of the same track, specify which
>album (or which mix) it is.
>
>2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded before 1991
>don't count (sorry) (and this will disregard the `I-BOX' set)
>
>3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for unreleased material.
>
>4. As it is officially a TD album after all, and recorded in 1994,
>`Zoning' tracks can be included. Also tracks by Edgar & Linda.
I've never seen the movie Zoning so I can't say if the 1994 version is
significantly different than the as-used soundtrack Edgar and Chris recorded
in 1985-86. Recount?
>5. (and this may be the controversial point) `Valentine Wheels' may
>contain old material, but it was released as an official modern TD
>album, so all tracks on here may be included.
I disagree with this one but I'd have to pick through it and judge which
tracks are significantly new and which ones are thematically tied to the
past. I ignore labels. Folks, please don't rubber stamp Phaedra, Logos Blue,
or Sorcerer & Thief as your 90's selections because these 3 versions
premiered in 1986 and have not evolved much (nothing wrong with that!) since
then. And you can't call The Keep (unless you are referring to the 5-6
tracks which have NO bearing on the movie and are essentially EF solo
tracks) a 1990's TD album.
>6. Albums released as TANGERINE DREAM please! Okay, it's a 'so-
>called' new rule, but I thought everyone realised it was meant to be
>a Tangerine Dream chart, not a solely Eddie chart. Oh dear, cue
>'Zoning' flamers... go away please! It is credited to TD!!!
It's ok, only the title and end tracks of Zoning, which are credited to EF
and JF, would ever appear on my top list (and not quite in slots 1-10).
*smirk*
-Morgan
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 7:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] rare TD auctions
my sentiments exactly Frank. that is the first thing i thought of when i read
this. Christmas falls about 3 times a week at my place...year round.
tom
--
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:40:04 Frank Arellano wrote:
>< give yourself a Christmas present > My friend Tom and I have been doing
>this all year round! :-D Santa Klaus :-) has *really* been nice to us !
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Joel S. Mullen'
>To:
>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:50 AM
>Subject: [tadream] rare TD auctions
>
>
>> If anyone is interested I just placed a number of rarer TD items up for
>auction
>> on e-bay. Give yourself a Christmas present!
>>
>> This is a link that shows all my auctions. Make sure your e-mail program
>> does not split the link up or it will not work. OR search on my user ID
>'a71spud'
>>
>>
>http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=a71spud&inc
>lude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
>>
>>
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From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] rare TD auctions
At least it is a good excuse..... always looking for a good excuse... ;-)
On Friday, December 08, 2000 1:41 PM, tom george
[SMTP:eloy-usa@a...] wrote:
> my sentiments exactly Frank. that is the first thing i thought of when i
read this. Christmas falls about 3 times a week at my place...year round.
> tom
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:48
pm
Subject: Re: Let's clarify again Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks, but no chart yet...
Just to reitterate my point regards the problems we have with so few
votes cast so far: The clear leader in our poll (Subject to
verfication from Frank) has thirty points, but only three people have
voted for it (and they all gave it ten points each). It's always
possible the others may not think much of it. Many of the points cast
are too thinly spread, and any track at this stage which gets maximum
points ends up getting a high chart position. So if two people decide
to give 'Dreamtime' (vocal version) top marks at this stage, it would
get in the overall top ten. Would that be a true reflection of fans'
faves?
And no, I'm not going to tell you what the current leader is... ;)
Regards
Roger Hartopp
From:
Jonathan Hierholzer
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 10:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out'
Speaking of Amazon, I ordered the Dream Mixes Vol. 1 and it was a special order
(4-6 weeks). I'm still holding my breath to see if it will come. Anybody know
how it is? I like the song 'Little Blonde...' and the sample of the Thai dub
sounded really cool. I'm a big progreesive trance haed (among other things) so
I can't wait to hear some of these dancey-trancey remixes!
Jonathan / cool_piccolo
--- Heiko Heerssen
> wrote:
>
>
>herold.u@t... schrieb:
>
>> Hi dreamers,
>>
>> today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out 2000'!
It's a great item.
>
>Thanks Uwe,
>now this is great news indeed. I still believe 'White out' is Johannes' best
solo effort, and 2 or 3 years ago I foolishly traded my original misprint (!)
copy (hi Rainer!
>;-)...well, let's hope that Johannes is soon releasing a new studio album, too
much time has been gone now since 'Songs no words' was released.
>
>Heiko
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 2:08
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] new to list hello!
Hello Jonathan
Welcome, hope you will enjoy all the information, discussions and so
forth.
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Jonathan Hierholzer [mailto:jonathan@8...]
> Sendt: 8. december 2000 08:55
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: [tadream] new to list hello!
>
>
> Hi everyone, I recently got into TD and just wanted to say hi to
> all the list members. Also checking to see if this is the right
> address! :-) Jonathan H. / cool_piccolo
>
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 3:45
pm
Subject: Adaptec/Soundforge
I know a lot of you guys use Adaptec and I wondered if anyone uses
soundforge wave editor. I have been having some hassle and would like some
advice. Please mail me on or off list if you feel like giving me some help.
Thanks in anticipation.
Phil
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 4:10
pm
Subject: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
HI!
Hot news for all Tangerine Dream fans!
GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in their
magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete
story about TD I found during the last years.
You'll find a complete discography (TD, Solo) and a 24 pages history
about the band. The text was verified by Edgar and so it's authentic.
I found some very amazing things I didn't knew before.
I added a special in my NEW-section in my TD-page. Here you'll find
a link the the complete story, too! It's written in the german
language. If there is somebody who wants to translate it - you're
welcome. Send the english translation to me and I'll give it to the
GERMAN ROCK pals. It'll be onto their homepage very soon (and you
get the credits). I don't have the time to do it now :-(
Just click onto the German Rock link, too (the one with the guitar).
It's worth the time. You'll find some very interesting stories about
Klaus Schulze, Ashra and many many more german bands (Rock, Electronic .....).
This page is a must!!!!!!!
Rainer
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
www.rutka.de/td
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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From:
Winston Edmond
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 4:24
pm
Subject: Re: Tyger cover
'S.C.Slator' asked:
> I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and found
> the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can I
> confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo over
> a blue/white gradient backdrop?
The logo has a blue/white gradient, too.
It was 'Caroline Records', though.
-WBE
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 4:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
I take it there is no English version of the magazine/article
> HI!
>
> Hot news for all Tangerine Dream fans!
>
> GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in
> their
> magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete
> story about TD I found during the last years.
>
> You'll find a complete discography (TD, Solo) and a 24 pages
> history
> about the band. The text was verified by Edgar and so it's
> authentic.
> I found some very amazing things I didn't knew before.
>
> I added a special in my NEW-section in my TD-page. Here you'll find
> a link the the complete story, too! It's written in the german
> language. If there is somebody who wants to translate it - you're
> welcome. Send the english translation to me and I'll give it to the
> GERMAN ROCK pals. It'll be onto their homepage very soon (and you
> get the credits). I don't have the time to do it now :-(
>
> Just click onto the German Rock link, too (the one with the
> guitar).
> It's worth the time. You'll find some very interesting stories
> about
> Klaus Schulze, Ashra and many many more german bands (Rock,
> Electronic .....).
>
> This page is a must!!!!!!!
>
> Rainer
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> -
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From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> Just a question of local interest to Jim:
Hey all!
The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish,
there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;)
> Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr
cd-rariteter sse?
> (I Stockholm allts)
Om det r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyvrr inte.
Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD.
Beror frsts lite p vad du menar med rariteter.
Ett stlle dr man kan hitta saker utver det vanliga r
Trespass Records p Pipersgatan p Kungsholmen.
Det r ingen riktig affr, dock... garen driver el-firma
och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med nr tid finnes.
Om du r i krokarna lnar det sig att knacka p!
Vad r du p jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hjlpa till.
Skicka ett mail, vetja!
Jim
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 5:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge
Well, SoundForge's weakness is the inability to perform instantaneous
cutting and editing (which SoundEdit Pro, a Macintosh product, has been
capable of now for 8 years). It takes FOOOOOOOORRRRRRREVER. Other than that,
it's decent for filtering, etc.
>From: 'Phil Wingfield'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge
>Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:45:09 -0000
>
>I know a lot of you guys use Adaptec and I wondered if anyone uses
>soundforge wave editor. I have been having some hassle and would like some
>advice. Please mail me on or off list if you feel like giving me some help.
>
>Thanks in anticipation.
>
>Phil
>
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From:
-=brian=-
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 5:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge
I happen to live right next door to Sonic Foundry, the company who developed
SoundForge. I have to say, it's junk software. I cannot get nearly the
control I want over my sounds, and even SoundEdit Pro, which is ok, puts it
to shame. Sonic Foundry makes some lame software, I'm afraid...
(My 2.)
-Brian
on 12/9/00 11:49 AM, Feldon Feldon at feldon23@h... wrote:
> Well, SoundForge's weakness is the inability to perform instantaneous
> cutting and editing (which SoundEdit Pro, a Macintosh product, has been
> capable of now for 8 years). It takes FOOOOOOOORRRRRRREVER. Other than that,
> it's decent for filtering, etc.
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 8:24
am
Subject: Re : [tadream] Eddie and Jerry's Top Ten Tracks
Hi all,
OK, I was slapped on the wrist for being so bold as to include a couple of
'forbidden' (no pun intended) tracks in there, so here's the hopefully fully
'legal' list:
1. 'Dare to Change' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2')
2. 'Ca Va, Ca Marche, Ca Ira Encore' ('Dream Dice Silver')
3. 'Fort Worth Runway One' ('Goblins Club' digipak)
4. 'Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne Va Plus - Sunrise Club Mix)' ('Limited
World Tour Edition 1997' CD single)
5. 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' ('Shepherd's Bush' CD single)
6. 'Stratosfear 1995' ('Tyranny of Beauty')
7. 'Towards the Evening Star' ('Goblins Club')
8. 'Summer Storm' ('Oasis')
9. 'Riding the Lizard Overland' ('The Hollywood Years Vol. 2')
10. 'Unfit for Consumption' (from 'Zoning')
I would have liked to have included some tracks from 'Valentine Wheels' but
I think it works well as a whole with the bridges included, so I reluctantly
let this one go (although I don't really agree that it's a 'modern' album,
after all, it's called the 'Vintage Set', so why is it all that different to
'Antique Dreams', the same idea except it's a mix of studio and live
tracks?) I'm still frustrated that I can't include 'Phaedra from
Nottingham', despite the fact that it comes from an album released more
recently than 'Valentine Wheels'...You're 'anti-Tangentisation'
obviously...not me! I think it's great that there are two different
versions available and that Edgar went to the trouble of reworking the
tracks when he was forced into releasing yet another compilation by
Virgin...
Come to think of it, there are so many rules and I've gone to a fair amount
of trouble to put this list together, no wonder no-one is voting!
Oh, and I think that 5.5 points each just because you say 'in no particular
order' is a bit silly too...a chart is by definition the most popular at the
top and the least at the bottom...wouldn't it be great if all the artists in
the top 40 got equal shares of the royalties just because they got into the
chart...
Paul
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 10:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tyger cover
I have the Jive Electro CD (CHIP 47) of 'Tyger' (as well as the Relativity
CD with the extra 'Vigour' track on it) . The JE insert has the TD logo on
the front -- white to blue gradient (top to bottom) on a blue to white
gradient (top to bottom). The words TANGERINE DREAM and TYGER are in small
sans serif uppercase top left and top right, so it sounds very similar, if
not identical, to the LP cover.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Winston Edmond'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:24 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tyger cover
> 'S.C.Slator' asked:
> > I recently bought an LP of 'Tyger' on the Jive Electro label and found
> > the cover to be different to the Castle/Essential CD release. Can I
> > confirm that the original LP release of the album had the TD logo over
> > a blue/white gradient backdrop?
>
> The logo has a blue/white gradient, too.
> It was 'Caroline Records', though.
> -WBE
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2000 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge
So CoolEdit it is?
>From: -=brian=-
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Adaptec/Soundforge
>Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:53:08 -0600
>
>I happen to live right next door to Sonic Foundry, the company who
>developed
>SoundForge. I have to say, it's junk software. I cannot get nearly the
>control I want over my sounds, and even SoundEdit Pro, which is ok, puts it
>to shame. Sonic Foundry makes some lame software, I'm afraid...
>
>(My 2.)
>
>-Brian
>
>on 12/9/00 11:49 AM, Feldon Feldon at feldon23@h... wrote:
>
> > Well, SoundForge's weakness is the inability to perform instantaneous
> > cutting and editing (which SoundEdit Pro, a Macintosh product, has been
> > capable of now for 8 years). It takes FOOOOOOOORRRRRRREVER. Other than
>that,
> > it's decent for filtering, etc.
>
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From:
Carlos Alberto Martnez Salas
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 2:35
am
Subject: Re: New CD Now discount coupon!
Hi:
I used the coupon (thanx!!)
and got a real bargain:
less than 30 bucks for the set!
true
see ya!!!
Carlos
pd. BTW, I was listening to Antique Dreams (great album),
and, as you have noticed before, I think it's completly unreal that the
track called Southend Mall was intended to be in Le Parc album: just
remember Le Parc was about 'parks', Ed... what does a 'mall' has to do with
a 'park'?,
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:00:34 John Marchington wrote:
>Thanks for the advice, Miguel. I've just been to CD Now and
ordered the
>I-box. I notice that it's not being released till 12 December.
Funny, I was
>under the impression that it was already available. Anyway, the
discount
>almost covers the postage to Aotearoa, so it's some saving.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:02 PM
>Subject: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon!
>
>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> There's a new CD Now discount coupon: 10 bucks off, minimum
purchase
>> 39.95, expires december 29.
>>
>> The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499
>>
>> BTW, the I-box is priced at 40.49, so you can use the coupon to
get the
>> I-box cheaper.
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 3:34
pm
Subject: Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
>GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in their
>magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete
>story about TD I found during the last years.
Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never seen
anything that long written about TD.
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
> >GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in
> their
> >magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete
> >story about TD I found during the last years.
>
> Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've
> never seen anything that long written about TD.
I second that
--
Richard
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> >GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE DREAM in their
> >magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete
> >story about TD I found during the last years.
> Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never seen
anything that long written about TD.
> Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
Good idea! But, you'll want to translate it :-)?
Rainer
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:11
pm
Subject: 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV
Ein TV-Tipp fr Leser in Deutschland:
A TV hint for listmembers in Germany:
Montag, 11. Dezember:
02.15-03.52 Kabel 1 'Mord am Rainbow Drive'
Regie: Bobby Roth (USA 1990). Mit Peter Weller
Musik: Tangerine Dream
Cheers
Peter
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 4:37
pm
Subject: Pergamon
I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is Pergamon
virgin or 'enhanced' ?
David
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 4:41
pm
Subject: how to translate 28-page article
altavista has a translate function on their site. You can enter the web
address of the page to be translated, or cut & paste text. I tried
entering the web address and translating all at once, but only a bit got
translated. Of course, I am using webtv
(gave all my $$ to Bowie, none left for computer). So if you're using a
real set-up, it may translate the whole thing for you.
You can choose which language you want to translate to and from. Give it
a shot.
Mike
AltaVista Translations
Address:http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:09
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
Hi all
I have just translated the article using Altavista, and I'm working on it to
turn it into intelligible English (automatic translators come up with
strange turns of phrase sometimes...)
I'll post a message when I've finished (but any Germans out there who would
be willing to proofread it, please get in touch)
Paul
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: audiences
About the comment I mentioend before that's heard
on the Santa Monica 77 version of Cherokee Lane,
someone asked:
<>
It's near the end, you can hear it quite clearly,
it must either be the taper him/herself talking
or someone VERY close to him/her.
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Pergamon
From: David Foster
> I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation,
> but is Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ?
Enhanced. Part one has some minor fixes and alterations to the original
performance but part two is, as far as I know, almost entirely a studio
creation.
Maff
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:38
pm
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Paul Fellows wrote:
> Hi all
> I have just translated the article using Altavista, and I'm working on it to
> turn it into intelligible English (automatic translators come up with
> strange turns of phrase sometimes...)
> I'll post a message when I've finished (but any Germans out there who would
> be willing to proofread it, please get in touch)
> Paul
OK Paul!
Send it to me and I'll put it onto the net. I'm a member of 'German Rock' so
I have the possibilities to add it onto their site, too.
Rainer
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Pergamon
Pergamon is, I think, closer to the original concert than Quichotte. I could
have it backwards though. Only on fantapes/bootlegs does a real tape of the
concert exist. It's still a sweet CD. It's not missing much. And the
modifications/tangentizations were performed in 1980, not in the 90's.
Also, I don't want to start a huge debate, but I have the White Cloths tapes
and after listening to part III on it, I'm pretty convinced that this is
from either the afternoon show (of which there is question that it actually
occured or that a tape actually exists), or a different show, because
there's 9 minutes of improvisation there that I haven't heard anywhere else
before.
Morgan
>From: 'David Foster'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: [tadream] Pergamon
>Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:37:49 -0000
>
>I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is
>Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ?
>
>David
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
'Johan Edberg'
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:09
pm
Subject: SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Hej!
Sorry folks..
Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =)
Jim. r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde lg vid
Brvallagatan/Rrstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan?
Jag har inte varit dr p ett par r...
// Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden
> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000
> From: 'Jim Rasmussen'
>Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
>
>--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
>> Just a question of local interest to Jim:
>
>Hey all!
>The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish,
>there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;)
>
>> Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr
>cd-rariteter sse?
>> (I Stockholm allts)
>
>Om det r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyvrr inte.
>Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD.
>Beror frsts lite p vad du menar med rariteter.
>Ett stlle dr man kan hitta saker utver det vanliga r
>Trespass Records p Pipersgatan p Kungsholmen.
>
>Det r ingen riktig affr, dock... garen driver el-firma
>och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med nr tid finnes.
>Om du r i krokarna lnar det sig att knacka p!
>
>Vad r du p jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hjlpa till.
>Skicka ett mail, vetja!
>
>Jim
>
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:33
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Hej!
Sorry even once more for the Swedish...
Ngon som r sugen p att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde ordna
en liten 'skivjakt'...
Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden
> Hej!
> Sorry folks..
> Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =)
>
> Jim. r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde lg vid
Brvallagatan/Rrstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan?
> Jag har inte varit dr p ett par r...
>
> // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000
> > From: 'Jim Rasmussen'
> >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
> >
> >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> >> Just a question of local interest to Jim:
> >
> >Hey all!
> >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish,
> >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;)
> >
> >> Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr
> >cd-rariteter sse?
> >> (I Stockholm allts)
> >
> >Om det r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyvrr inte.
> >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD.
> >Beror frsts lite p vad du menar med rariteter.
> >Ett stlle dr man kan hitta saker utver det vanliga r
> >Trespass Records p Pipersgatan p Kungsholmen.
> >
> >Det r ingen riktig affr, dock... garen driver el-firma
> >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med nr tid finnes.
> >Om du r i krokarna lnar det sig att knacka p!
> >
> >Vad r du p jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hjlpa till.
> >Skicka ett mail, vetja!
> >
> >Jim
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From:
Totta
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 10:16
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Hej
Sorry for the swedish
Jag e alltid sugen p sdanna saker s , count me in,
Totta
Thomas wrote:
> Hej!
>
> Sorry even once more for the Swedish...
> Ngon som r sugen p att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde ordna
> en liten 'skivjakt'...
>
> Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden
>
> > Hej!
> > Sorry folks..
> > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =)
> >
> > Jim. r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde lg vid
> Brvallagatan/Rrstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan?
> > Jag har inte varit dr p ett par r...
> >
> > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000
> > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen'
> > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
> > >
> > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim:
> > >
> > >Hey all!
> > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish,
> > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;)
> > >
> > >> Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr
> > >cd-rariteter sse?
> > >> (I Stockholm allts)
> > >
> > >Om det r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyvrr inte.
> > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD.
> > >Beror frsts lite p vad du menar med rariteter.
> > >Ett stlle dr man kan hitta saker utver det vanliga r
> > >Trespass Records p Pipersgatan p Kungsholmen.
> > >
> > >Det r ingen riktig affr, dock... garen driver el-firma
> > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med nr tid finnes.
> > >Om du r i krokarna lnar det sig att knacka p!
> > >
> > >Vad r du p jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hjlpa till.
> > >Skicka ett mail, vetja!
> > >
> > >Jim
>
>
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From:
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Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:07
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Totta wrote:
>
> Jag e alltid sugen p sdanna saker s
unsubscribe swedish-tadream
subscribe english-tadream
From:
Totta
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 1:05
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Whattt???
Antonio Nunes wrote:
> Totta wrote:
> >
> > Jag e alltid sugen p sdanna saker s
>
> unsubscribe swedish-tadream
> subscribe english-tadream
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:35
pm
Subject: Re: Re: 28 pages story
>> Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never
>> seen anything that long written about TD.
>> Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
> Good idea! But, you'll want to translate it :-)?
I would translate, IF I could read German...
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:55
pm
Subject: Re: Pergamon
> From: 'David Foster'
> Subject: Pergamon
>
> I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation, but is
Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ?
> Maff replied:
> Enhanced. Part one has some minor fixes and alterations to the original
> performance but part two is, as far as I know, almost entirely a studio
> creation.
Not exactly; just the guitar work in Quichotte part 2 isn't the original. I
have the concert recordings.
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 2:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Re: 28 pages story
Gustavo Jobim schrieb:
> >> Please, an English translation would be greatly appreciated, I've never
> >> seen anything that long written about TD.
> >> Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
>
> > Good idea! But, you'll want to translate it :-)?
>
> I would translate, IF I could read German...
I'm not good enough to translate it into English but I think it's a quite
comprehensive biography of Tangerine Dream despite the fact that it's more or
less only a listing of facts, rather than giving an insiders' view of the
band. But whoever wants to translate it into English this is a mighty (&
time-consuming) task! Being a pedantic German I already found a mistake, TD
played no concerts in 1979, a scheduled tour was cancelled by Edgar a few
weeks before the first concert should take place (a real tragedy, it would
have been fantastic to get the chance to listen to some 'Force Majeure'
inspired tracks)
Heiko
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:23
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Totta:
Is this a public message to all those who can read Swedish? Or private
communication between you and Hej?
Just curious.
-Morgan
>From: Totta
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:16:02 +0100
>
>Hej
>
>Sorry for the swedish
>
>Jag e alltid sugen p sdanna saker s , count me in,
>
>Totta
>
>Thomas wrote:
>
> > Hej!
> >
> > Sorry even once more for the Swedish...
> > Ngon som r sugen p att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde
>ordna
> > en liten 'skivjakt'...
> >
> > Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden
> >
> > > Hej!
> > > Sorry folks..
> > > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =)
> > >
> > > Jim. r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde lg vid
> > Brvallagatan/Rrstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan?
> > > Jag har inte varit dr p ett par r...
> > >
> > > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000
> > > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen'
> > > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
> > > >
> > > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> > > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim:
> > > >
> > > >Hey all!
> > > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish,
> > > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;)
> > > >
> > > >> Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr
> > > >cd-rariteter sse?
> > > >> (I Stockholm allts)
> > > >
> > > >Om det r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyvrr inte.
> > > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD.
> > > >Beror frsts lite p vad du menar med rariteter.
> > > >Ett stlle dr man kan hitta saker utver det vanliga r
> > > >Trespass Records p Pipersgatan p Kungsholmen.
> > > >
> > > >Det r ingen riktig affr, dock... garen driver el-firma
> > > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med nr tid finnes.
> > > >Om du r i krokarna lnar det sig att knacka p!
> > > >
> > > >Vad r du p jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hjlpa till.
> > > >Skicka ett mail, vetja!
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
'koulos'
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:57
pm
Subject: i-box questions
dear friends and co-listeners of TD music [what an intro....!!!]
my i-box questions are the following
1 is the pergamon part [piano part in disk 2 i think] pure magic or what?[are
there any more pieces so beautiful in TD diskography ?]
2 akash deep? what is this supposed to be [except from great track]
3 am I insane not to listen to anything else the last week that i got the
i-box?[not even the lp-singles with the DM3 dance version?]
3 speaking of wich are all the singles [for those of you that have bought them]
in opened boxes ....[i mean no seal] or just mine?
[and also why not mark witch out of the 500 is the single i have........i mean
its more easy to make 1000 disks marking only 500 excist than mark each one of
the 500......ok just me being suspicious]
thats all folks back to i-box listening [6 cd's of pure magic if you ask me one
of the best TD compilations.....!!!!]
kostas from athens........
p.s. if you see santa in the street ask him to bring some snow in Athens
....okay in Tripoli where i 'll spend my Xmas too ...i am borred of the
sunshine in december....!!!!
p.s.2 for one more time sorry for my bad english but I guess it wouldn't be
nice to write greek in here right ?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Totta
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
Hi
It was a message to all who can read swedish.
Totta
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> Totta:
>
> Is this a public message to all those who can read Swedish? Or private
> communication between you and Hej?
>
> Just curious.
>
> -Morgan
>
> >From: Totta
> >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
> >To: tadream@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
> >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:16:02 +0100
> >
> >Hej
> >
> >Sorry for the swedish
> >
> >Jag e alltid sugen p sdanna saker s , count me in,
> >
> >Totta
> >
> >Thomas wrote:
> >
> > > Hej!
> > >
> > > Sorry even once more for the Swedish...
> > > Ngon som r sugen p att sticka till Stockholm i januari??? Vi kunde
> >ordna
> > > en liten 'skivjakt'...
> > >
> > > Thomas, way past midnight in South Sweden
> > >
> > > > Hej!
> > > > Sorry folks..
> > > > Still nothing wrong with your browsers. =)
> > > >
> > > > Jim. r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde lg vid
> > > Brvallagatan/Rrstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan?
> > > > Jag har inte varit dr p ett par r...
> > > >
> > > > // Johan, midnight in Stockholm, Sweden
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:22:09 -0000
> > > > > From: 'Jim Rasmussen'
> > > > >Subject: Re: TD on vinyl available
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> > > > >> Just a question of local interest to Jim:
> > > > >
> > > > >Hey all!
> > > > >The following message is an answer to Olles question in Swedish,
> > > > >there is nothing wrong with you browsers... ;)
> > > > >
> > > > >> Du rkar inte ha tips p nn bra affr fr
> > > > >cd-rariteter sse?
> > > > >> (I Stockholm allts)
> > > > >
> > > > >Om det r elektronisk musik du letar efter - tyvrr inte.
> > > > >Vinyl verkar man kunna fynda hur mycket som helst, men inte CD.
> > > > >Beror frsts lite p vad du menar med rariteter.
> > > > >Ett stlle dr man kan hitta saker utver det vanliga r
> > > > >Trespass Records p Pipersgatan p Kungsholmen.
> > > > >
> > > > >Det r ingen riktig affr, dock... garen driver el-firma
> > > > >och har ett litet CD-lager som han pysslar med nr tid finnes.
> > > > >Om du r i krokarna lnar det sig att knacka p!
> > > > >
> > > > >Vad r du p jakt efter? Jag kanske kan hjlpa till.
> > > > >Skicka ett mail, vetja!
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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> >
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:06
pm
Subject: Re: Pergamon
Greetings all-
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> > From: 'David Foster'
> > Subject: Pergamon
> >
> > I don't want to start any old arguments about tangenitisation,
but is Pergamon virgin or 'enhanced' ?
>
>
> > Maff replied:
> > Enhanced. Part one has some minor fixes and alterations to the
original
> > performance but part two is, as far as I know, almost entirely a
studio
> > creation.
>
> Not exactly; just the guitar work in Quichotte part 2 isn't the
original. I
> have the concert recordings.
So do I, and you are mistaken. The following is from a Live FAQ I
posted to the old list waaaaaaay back in Jan '97-
_PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no
difference between the two shows *purportedly* performed that
day (at least as far as I have been able to determine among all my
various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows-there is some
question as to whether there in fact *were* two shows), they remain
unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed
excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was
listening on the radio), despite what some have said about
hearing it in '80, '81 or wherever. The first set (TT: 37:27) opens
with white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into
what was essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which
had yet to be released, and then moves into a long
sequencer-oriented piece (21:37), similar to (but _not_ the same as)
the second half of the second set ('Quichotte pt.2'). This set
was originally issued as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the
wonderful encore track to tease us.
The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_.
Part of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was
to have it broadcast by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the
stipulations that the album release be different from the
broadcast, and not available on a western label for 6 years. So what
you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as performed at
all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference here and
there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is
exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas
of the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer
stucture and guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the
re-release as _Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little
more to the end of Pt. 2.
++++++++++++++
Personally, I always found the second part of the second set as
performed rather irritating. It's clear that Johannes is trying to
find his stroke during this section after having been thrown into the
deepend by Edgar and Chris!:) And Edgar's solo is rather rambling
as well.
goozer
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 8:34
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV
I thought someone said this CD was due out last September...Did it ever show
up?
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.stoeferle@t... [mailto:peter.stoeferle@t...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:11 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] 'Rainbow Drive' (TD score) on German TV
>
>
> Ein TV-Tipp fr Leser in Deutschland:
> A TV hint for listmembers in Germany:
>
>
> Montag, 11. Dezember:
>
> 02.15-03.52 Kabel 1 'Mord am Rainbow Drive'
> Regie: Bobby Roth (USA 1990). Mit Peter Weller
> Musik: Tangerine Dream
>
> Cheers
> Peter
>
>
>
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out'
I'm not so enthused about this. I thought he ruined _Zoo of Tranquility_ with
the remixed reissue--in particular, he made a horrible mess out of my
favourite piece from that album, 'The Wedding Cake'.
(My tape copy of the original version of _Zoo_ is one of my most treasured
musical possessions, BTW)
Yes, I know the reissue is probably the album he wanted to make, but it just
doesn't have the fairy-tale clockwork charm and dramatic impact of the
original version, IMO.
Gabe
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 2:52
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out'
Which stores carry this item?
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: herold.u@t... [mailto:herold.u@t...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:12 PM
> To: tadream moderated mailing list at onelist; tadream@egroups.com;
> goblinsclub@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Brandnew 'White Out'
>
>
> Hi dreamers,
>
> today i've got the new release by Johannes Schmoelling 'white out
> 2000'! It's a great item. The front cover is black with a small
> picture of the original coverprint. This actual version had been
> rerecorded and remixed in 2000 - and it's got two additional new
> tracks! The tracks are:
> 1. white out 10:26
> 2. navigator's chatter 5:48
> 3. icewalk 6:11
> 4. the big nail 4:08
> 5. rain echeos 6:39 (new)
> 6. native eye, native ear 4:58
> 7. a great continent 8:14
> 8. a long way home 4:24 (new)
> 9. anian path 5:48
> 10. icewalk 6:25 (mix 2000)
> The 6-page booklet includes 4 pages with a statement by Johannes
> Schmoelling over the 'white out'- conception (in German
> language). Very interesting.
> It's a real great item. If you want more information look on the
> Johannes Schmoelling - Homepage
> http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm and wait for updated 'News'.
>
> Dream on
> Uwe
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 12:23
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Pergamon
> Personally, I always found the second part of the second set as
> performed rather irritating. It's clear that Johannes is trying to
> find his stroke during this section after having been thrown into the
> deepend by Edgar and Chris!:)
Hardly suprising, this was the first TD concert he ever performed at, I
think he 'found his stroke' quite quickly considering!!
Paul
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 12:23
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Pergamon
> Personally, I always found the second part of the second set as
> performed rather irritating. It's clear that Johannes is trying to
> find his stroke during this section after having been thrown into the
> deepend by Edgar and Chris!:)
Hardly suprising, this was the first TD concert he ever performed at, I
think he 'found his stroke' quite quickly considering!!
Paul
From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:15
pm
Subject: Answer to Johan (in esperanto)
Babelfish says:
-Johan is simply curious about a certain recordshop in Stockholm...
Du skrev:
>r det samma 'Tresspass Records' som jag trodde lg vid
Brvallagatan/Rrstrandsgatan, S:t Eriksplan?
> Jag har inte varit dr p ett par r...
Ingen aning, faktiskt. Trffade innehavaren p en skivmssa
och fick ett visitkort som jag sen tappade bort... Sedan sprang jag
av en slump p lilla affren p Pipersg.
Jim
From:
'Jim Rasmussen'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:20
pm
Subject: All are welcome to Stockholm!
Hey all!
The recent messages in Swedish have been about EM-shops in Stockholm,
and since a few members plan to go here shopping, Id just like to
say welcome to all 'passers-by'!
Its always nice to talk music over a beer or three.
Jim
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:43
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] All are welcome to Stockholm!
Just like Jim I also thought an explanation about the Swedish messages was
in place. It seems that those in digest mode can't get the full email
address of the contributors, so the only way for them to contact a specific
member is thru the list.
Btw: Thanks for the invitation Jim, see you in Stockholm! (and hopefully
other members too :)
Thomas
> Hey all!
>
> The recent messages in Swedish have been about EM-shops in Stockholm,
> and since a few members plan to go here shopping, Id just like to
> say welcome to all 'passers-by'!
>
> Its always nice to talk music over a beer or three.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:46
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] All are welcome to Stockholm!
Oupps, I just checked out an old digest message, and it turns out I
remembered wrong about the email addresses, sorry about that! They are
clear and visible, maybe I need to dust off my glasses a bit...
> Just like Jim I also thought an explanation about the Swedish messages
was
> in place. It seems that those in digest mode can't get the full email
> address of the contributors, so the only way for them to contact a
specific
> member is thru the list.
>
> Btw: Thanks for the invitation Jim, see you in Stockholm! (and hopefully
> other members too :)
>
> Thomas
>
>
> > Hey all!
> >
> > The recent messages in Swedish have been about EM-shops in Stockholm,
> > and since a few members plan to go here shopping, Id just like to
> > say welcome to all 'passers-by'!
> >
> > Its always nice to talk music over a beer or three.
> >
> > Jim
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 5:28
pm
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
a couple of non-english posts is not so bad, but this is going on to the
point where you should take it off-list, please.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Totta [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:40 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
>
>
> Hi
>
> It was a message to all who can read swedish.
>
> Totta
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Dec 12, 2000 5:29
pm
Subject: OT: oops! 2 days late with my swedish request
oops- i see you did. thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:28 PM
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] SV: more swedish [TD on vinyl available]
>
>
> a couple of non-english posts is not so bad, but this is
> going on to the
> point where you should take it off-list, please.
>
> -Joe
>
>
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:13
am
Subject: Holiday Story in 12 Parts
Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts.
Part 1
Dearest John,
I went to the door today and the postman delivered a partridge in a pear
tree. What a thoroughly delightful gift. I couldn't have been more
surprised.
With deepest love and devotion.
Agnes
--- Neal Frost
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 12:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts
Neal Frost wrote:
> Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts.
>
Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here.
I'll save everyone the trouble. Eventually this 'John' fellow sends her
all the bizarre presents from the 12 Days of Xmas song, and it pisses her
off, and rightly so, with drummers drumming, people leaping, etc.
Has Tangerine Dream ever done something holiday-related?
James
From:
jwerner66@h...
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 9:48
am
Subject: Voices in the Dunes
Does anybody have a copy of Voices in the Dunes(the book) to sell or
know where to get it ?
Jon Werner
From:
kevine@c...
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:16
pm
Subject: German Rock TD Article
While we are waiting a readable English version of this article. I have
uploaded a translation to the Shared Files Area. This translation was
generated by FreeTranslation.com, because unlike bablefish, it was able to
translate the entire article.
The article is pretty difficult to read in its present form, but for
non-german speakers, it is infinitely easier to understand.
filename is germanrock.txt
Kevin Earley
IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service
(416) 448-3317
kevine@c...
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts
'James E. Jacoby' wrote:
> Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here.
I second that motion. That story was sort of funny when I first got it
e-mailed to me...6 YEARS AGO. But it's gotten a bit old.
> Has Tangerine Dream ever done something holiday-related?
Well, there was last year's 'Holday Booster' package.... ;-)
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:22
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] German Rock TD Article
Hi all,
I have been given permission by the authors to translate this article into
English and put a link to it on my pages, so I'll get on with it and post a
message when it's finished. Please be patient though, it's a very long
article and I want it to be perfect, also it will have to be proofread by an
English speaking German before I finally submit it...
Paul
> While we are waiting a readable English version of this article. I have
> uploaded a translation to the Shared Files Area. This translation was
> generated by FreeTranslation.com, because unlike bablefish, it was able to
> translate the entire article.
>
> The article is pretty difficult to read in its present form, but for
> non-german speakers, it is infinitely easier to understand.
>
> filename is germanrock.txt
>
> Kevin Earley
> IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service
> (416) 448-3317
> kevine@c...
> Visit our support Web Site:
> http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 3:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts
> [Original Message]
> From: James E. Jacoby
> To:
> Date: 12/13/00 7:16:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Holiday Story in 12 Parts
>
>
>
> Neal Frost wrote:
>
> > Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday season.....in 12 parts.
> >
>
> Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It doesn't belong here.
>
Um....Sorry. Just discovered it this season. Thought it might be funny.
Well.....Happy Holidays anyways.
Neal
From:
'Andreas Hedler'
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 8:25
am
Subject: Re: Brandnew 'White Out'
It will be available soon at:
http://www.johannesschmoelling.de
Andreas Hedler
webmaster of the Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Michael A Jean'
wrote:
> Which stores carry this item?
>
> MJ
'White Out'
tracks:
> > 1. white out 10:26
> > 2. navigator's chatter 5:48
> > 3. icewalk 6:11
> > 4. the big nail 4:08
> > 5. rain echeos 6:39 (new)
> > 6. native eye, native ear 4:58
> > 7. a great continent 8:14
> > 8. a long way home 4:24 (new)
> > 9. anian path 5:48
> > 10. icewalk 6:25 (mix 2000)
> > The 6-page booklet includes 4 pages with a statement by
Johannes
> > Schmoelling over the 'white out'- conception (in German
> > language). Very interesting.
> > It's a real great item. If you want more information look
on the
> > Johannes Schmoelling - Homepage
> > http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm and wait for
updated 'News'.
> >
> > Dream on
> > Uwe
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:07
am
Subject: New WHITE-OUT available!
Hi!
J. Schmoeling's NEW White Out is out now! I got my copy today.
One of my most loved records in a new version :-) - wow!
Now, let's wait for some new(!) records by J. Schmoelling!
Details will follow!
Rainer
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 5:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Brandnew 'White Out'
With all the talk about this release, I just found out (later than everyone
else I'm sure) that there was a mis-printed first pressing. So I went to
have a look at my copy and sure enough, the cover photo is backwards! The
music plays forwards... ;-)
Happy Holidays to all,
Oscar
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Brandnew 'White Out'
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 odean@m... wrote:
> With all the talk about this release, I just found out (later than everyone
> else I'm sure) that there was a mis-printed first pressing. So I went to
> have a look at my copy and sure enough, the cover photo is backwards! The
> music plays forwards... ;-)
> Happy Holidays to all,
> Oscar
Hi!
Yes there was a mis-printing on the new version, too!!
I'll scan it and will put it onto my homepage this evening (in approx.
2-3 hours). Stay tuned!
Rainer
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 5:34
pm
Subject: Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling are online!
HI!
OK, it's done!
The first(?) pictures from the new White Out (Johannes Schmoelling)
are on my TD-site.
www.rutka.de/td -> NEW
PS: I like the new cover. Looks nice!
Rainer
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 6:23
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats
Hi all,
TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the
TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
Paul
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 6:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats
In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows
writes
>Hi all,
>
>TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the
>TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
Could you possibly give more details on and where 'Electrobeats' is (I
hope it's not that polish RAK. You can never log onto it. I've tried for
months.
--
Richard
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From:
Totta
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 9:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats
Hi
Is there someone who know if there is some way to listen to radio eins over the
net???
Real audio or something .
Totta
Paul Fellows wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the
> TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
>
> Paul
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
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From:
Rolf Elfstrm
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 10:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats
Totta asked:
>Is there someone who know if there is some way to listen to radio eins
over the
>net???
>Real audio or something .
http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram
Rolf
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:01
pm
Subject: Fw: Banco de Gaia
Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Frank Arellano'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:20 PM
Subject: Banco de Gaia
>
> Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried
> Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here with a copy or
> know where I can get it?
>
> Now playing and nice piece 'Semantic Spaces' by Delirium, thanks Antonio
> :-)
>
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats
Please excuse my ignorance, what channel is electrobeats on and is it
available in the UK?
> Hi all,
>
> TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to
the
> TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
>
> Paul
From:
Richard Ford
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elecrobeats
In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows
writes
>Hi all,
>
>TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December according to the
>TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
Actually, thinking about it, is the radio station this program is on
being broadcast on any satellite?
--
Richard
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 2:35
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia
M'jello
I have Banco de gaia's: Maya
Contact me offlist
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> Sendt: 15. december 2000 00:01
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia
>
>
> Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Frank Arellano'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:20 PM
> Subject: Banco de Gaia
>
>
> >
> > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried
> > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here
> with a copy or
> > know where I can get it?
> >
> > Now playing and nice piece 'Semantic Spaces' by Delirium,
> thanks Antonio
> > :-)
> >
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling are online!
Rainer Rutka schrieb:
> The first(?) pictures from the new White Out (Johannes Schmoelling)
> are on my TD-site.
Thanks very much Rainer for the great scans!
Heiko
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From:
'Andreas Hedler'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 10:58
am
Subject: Re: Pictures from White Out 2000 by J. Schmoelling are online!
Hallo Heiko!
Jetzt wei ich woher wir uns kennen! Von hier!
Andreas Hedler
From:
Bag
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 12:16
pm
Subject: Your Favourite Dream - December'2000
Hello Tadreamers,
Here are next results of your voting on my homepage:
DECEMBER'2000
================================================
A B C D E
------------------------------------------------
1. [ 1] Ricochet 234 68
2. [ 3] Logos 143 41
3. [ 2] Poland 133 45
4. [ 4] Stratosfear 118 32
5. [ 5] Mars Polaris 86 28
6. [ 6] Force Majeure 86 22
7. [ 7] Pergamon 83 23
8. [11] Exit 66 24
9. [ 8] Encore 64 26
10. [ 9] Live Miles 61 21
-------------------------------------------------
11. [10] Tangram 60 20
12. [12] Melrose 56 18
13. [14] Rubycon 47 17
14. [13] Hyperborea 42 12
15. [16] Phaedra 40 16
16. [17] 220 Volt 36 14
17. [15] White Eagle 35 13
18. [18] Tyger 32 14
19. [25] Cyclone 26 8
20. [19] Flashpoint 25 11
21. [20] Tournado 21 7
22. [22] Goblins Club 17 7
23. [21] Firestarter 17 5
24. [24] Underwater Sunlight 16 8
25. [23] The Man Inside 16 4
26. [26] Valentine Wheels 13 5
27. [27] Alpha Centauri 12 4
28. [28] Timesquare 10 4
29. [41] Thief 9 3
30. [28] Green Desert 8 2
31. [30] Le Parc 7 3
32. [32] Lily On The Beach 6 4
33. [31] Turn Of The Tides 6 2
[34] 3 O'clock High 6 2
35. [32] Dream Mixes 5 3
36. [34] Optical Race 5 1
[34] Rockoon 5 1
38. [37] Quinoa 4 2
[37] Sorcerer 4 2
[37] The Keep 4 2
[41] Atem 4 2
[47] Sohoman 4 2
43. [40] Electronic Meditation 3 3
44. [ N] Antique Dreams 3 1
[41] Destination Berlin 3 1
[41] Miracle Mile 3 1
47. [45] Great Wall Of China 2 2
[45] Oasis 2 2
49. [47] Canyon Dreams 1 1
[47] Transsiberia 1 1
[47] What A Blast 1 1
================================================
[A-position][B-previous month][C-title]
[D-points][E-votes]
*number of voters: 190
Regards
Bag
[ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ]
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 1:37
pm
Subject: TD on Elektrobeats
Hi all,
'ElektroBeats' is an german Radio - Program broadcast every week on wednesday
11 PM to 01 AM on the Station: Radio Eins (Berlin/Potsdam).
more information : www.radioeins.de
Bye
Heiko Neumann
Germany
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:12
pm
Subject: I-Box at CD Universe
I placed an order for the I-Box with CD Universe back on December
1st. At the time, the set's release date had been announced as being
December 12th. Now, here we are on December 15th, and CD Universe
sends me a notice telling me that the item has been backordered. What
the f***?
MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films,
SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream,
MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature,
EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ & anime by Hayao Miyazaki
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From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
That sucks, CDNow have dropped their price to 32 something and they list
it in stock.
Tom (Melrose)
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia
Have you seen Banco's website? Its really good. I haven't figured out his
life story bit yet. I've been playing his music all day whilst I
redecorate the bathroom.
David
From: Frank Arellano
> Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too?
> > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've tried
> > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here with a copy
or
> > know where I can get it?
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
scfeldman@j... wrote:
>
> I placed an order for the I-Box with CD Universe back on December
> 1st. At the time, the set's release date had been announced as being
> December 12th. Now, here we are on December 15th, and CD Universe
> sends me a notice telling me that the item has been backordered. What
> the f***?
Two days ago someone who had ordered from CDNow sent a message to
another mailing list complaining about the very same problem. They
either got more orders for it than they anticipated or it didn't show up
as expected in the USA.
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia
I've tried to David, but I keep getting this message that the network is
experiencing difficulties or that I may need to adjust my browser :-(
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Foster'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Banco de Gaia
> Have you seen Banco's website? Its really good. I haven't figured out
his
> life story bit yet. I've been playing his music all day whilst I
> redecorate the bathroom.
>
> David
>
> From: Frank Arellano
>
> > Isn't Banco de Gaia under the label Six Degrees too?
>
> > > Alright guys! I'm trying to locate Banco de Gaia's 'Maya' CD. I've
tried
> > > Amazon, CD Now, CDWorld and CD Universe so far. Anyone here with a
copy
> or
> > > know where I can get it?
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
DoKToR STRaNGe
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:50
am
Subject: about the 5 T.D. on vinyl /Ground Liftaz label
Hello , it's make one week that i've received 5 maxi on Ground Liftaz label &
that's what i tink/feel about :
GL001&GL002 are by DJ ROME in jungle style and........it's not mt style(i
prefer & i play ambient),GL003&004&005
are more interessants (perhaps the atmo-style,because i play them very
slowly,or perhaps the original sound from old T.D.basis,but they are good,nice
centror so bad sound&remix,but also no many risks
Each vinyl are limited edition of 500 copies , and the n003,004,005 are
pre-released of the future dream mixes 3.
That's all folks zof the future. If,like me,you prefer the 1st (electonic
meditation/ultima thul),the 2nd (zeit,athem,phaedra,alpha centauri,rubicon)or
the 3rd, the 4th T.D.formation until melrose, they are for you.
Atchaowwwwwwwwwww--------ERICK Zeu Dr.STRANGE_______LOVE from FRANCE_______
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 3:07
am
Subject: RE: Voices in the Dunes
Dear Jon,
> From: jwerner66@h...=20
> Subject: Voices in the Dunes=20
> Does anybody have a copy of Voices in the Dunes(the book) to sell
or=20
>
> know where to get it ?=20
>
Sorry, the book is out of print since several years, and we, the=20
authors, do not have any copies left.
Peter Stoeferle
From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Voices in the Dunes
Peter-
What is the latest on a new edition? :-)))))) A few of
us have alot of data on CD releases and would be glad to provide
it to help bring VITD up-to-date.
Regards,
Joel
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: The REAL 12 Days Of Christmas
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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts
From: 'James E. Jacoby'
2. Voices in the Dunes
From: jwerner66@h...
3. German Rock TD Article
From: kevine@c...
4. Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts
From: Sean Montgomery
5. Re : German Rock TD Article
From: 'Paul Fellows'
6. Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts
From: 'Neal Frost'
7. Re: Brandnew 'White Out'
From: 'Andreas Hedler'
8. New WHITE-OUT available!
From: Rainer Rutka
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:15:54 -0500
From: 'James E. Jacoby'
Subject: Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts
Neal Frost wrote:
> Just wanting to wish everyone a great holiday
season.....in 12 parts.
>
Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It
doesn't belong here.
I'll save everyone the trouble. Eventually this
'John' fellow sends her
all the bizarre presents from the 12 Days of Xmas
song, and it pisses her
off, and rightly so, with drummers drumming,
people leaping, etc.
Has Tangerine Dream ever done something
holiday-related?
James
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:48:46 -0000
From: jwerner66@h...
Subject: Voices in the Dunes
Does anybody have a copy of Voices in the
Dunes(the book) to sell or
know where to get it ?
Jon Werner
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:16:18 -0500
From: kevine@c...
Subject: German Rock TD Article
While we are waiting a readable English version
of this article. I have
uploaded a translation to the Shared Files Area.
This translation was
generated by FreeTranslation.com, because unlike
bablefish, it was able to
translate the entire article.
The article is pretty difficult to read in its
present form, but for
non-german speakers, it is infinitely easier to
understand.
filename is germanrock.txt
Kevin Earley
IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service
(416) 448-3317
kevine@c...
Visit our support Web Site:
http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:22 -0500
From: Sean Montgomery
Subject: Re: Holiday Story in 12 Parts
'James E. Jacoby' wrote:
> Oh god. Please don't subject us to this. It
doesn't belong here.
I second that motion. That story was sort of
funny when I first got it
e-mailed to me...6 YEARS AGO. But it's gotten a
bit old.>>
I didn't see the original e-mail, but if this is
the one I think it is, it's a lot older than just
6 yeras. That was an old Mad magazine piece that
goes back at least to the late 70's. The girl
gets evicted for turning her apartment into a
wild life preserve. The gold rings all turn her
fingers green, and I think there was some kind of
dispute with a labor union regarding the maids a
milking, I think.
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
Jones
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:23
pm
Subject: Re: TD on Elecrobeats
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Richard Ford wrote:
> In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows
> writes
> >Hi all,
> >
> >TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December
according to the
> >TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
>
> Could you possibly give more details on and where 'Electrobeats' is
(I
> hope it's not that polish RAK. You can never log onto it. I've
tried for
> months.
>
Hmmm. I was literally reading this as I was between tracks here at
Radio Rak. I went straight to the director with this, and I have been
told that the system will be upgraded in the next couple of weeks.
Roger
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>
>That sucks, CDNow have dropped their price to 32 something and they list
>it in stock.
>
>Tom (Melrose)
>
>
Don't believe it. I had it ordered at CDnow since November, and on December
12, I got a notice from CDnow that it is backordered......hmmmmmm
From:
Richard Ford
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Elecrobeats
In message <91e23l+4vq6@e...>, Roger Hartopp
writes
>--- In tadream@egroups.com, Richard Ford wrote:
>> In message <200012141824.TAA19841@f...>, Paul Fellows
>> writes
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >TD are appearing on 'Electrobeats' on Wednesday 20 December
>according to the
>> >TDI site, get your tape recorders ready!!
>>
>> Could you possibly give more details on and where 'Electrobeats' is
>(I
>> hope it's not that polish RAK. You can never log onto it. I've
>tried for
>> months.
>>
>Hmmm. I was literally reading this as I was between tracks here at
>Radio Rak. I went straight to the director with this, and I have been
>told that the system will be upgraded in the next couple of weeks.
>
Thank you Roger
That is good news. Could you please post when it is done
--
Richard Ford
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:37
pm
Subject: Problems opening up e-mail
One of the biggest problems I have at the moment in trying to compile
the Top 10 tracks by Eddie & Jerry here in Poland is that it now
takes AN ETERNITY to open up e-mail, and one of the few chances I
have to read the TD postings is here at Rak. Do any of our Polish
contributors have the same problem? Is it Telekomunicaja Polska? Is
it why people like Richard struggle for hours to log on to Radio Rak?
Let me know off-list (although I probably won't be able to read them
for a while, unless you post in the next thirty minutes!). But soon,
because if it is a problem to do with the fact I'm using an overseas
server, I may well be changing my e-mail address to something Polish
based.
I confess I'm still frighteningly ignorant as to how e-mail works.
Roger
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:48
pm
Subject: Re: TD on Elektrobeats
--- In tadream@egroups.com, NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> 'ElektroBeats' is an german Radio - Program broadcast every week on
wednesday 11 PM to 01 AM on the Station: Radio Eins (Berlin/Potsdam).
>
> more information : www.radioeins.de
>
> Bye
> Heiko Neumann
> Germany
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
It also might be broadcast over the Astra satellite (on digital and
analogue). I have a copy of 'What Satellite' at home (December 2000
edition), so I'll see if there are any satellite frequencies listed.
If so, I can listen to it here in Krakow! (and, if the @#**## e-mail
opens, I'll post them.)
Roger
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 11:03
pm
Subject: Discount with CDNOW
I don't know whether anyone else feels the same way, but I'm starting to get
confused about this $10.00 discount CDNOW are offering until 18 December. Like
others, I ordered the I-box from them on the promise of that discount but, as
most will know by now, release of the box has been delayed so if it doesn't
appear until AFTER the 18th December, will the discount still apply?
What got me wondering is that I received notification from them yesterday,
advising me that I didn't have much time left to claim that discount. I thus
assumed from that that it might not apply to the I-box after all.
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 11:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW
John Marchington wrote:
>I don't know whether anyone else feels the same way, but I'm starting to
get confused about this $10.00 discount CDNOW are offering until 18
December. Like others, I ordered the I-box from them on the promise of that
discount but, as most will know by now, release of the box has been delayed
so if it doesn't appear until AFTER the 18th December, will the discount
still apply?
>
>
John,
I haven't heard anything 'official' about the I-box being delayed. I
thought maybe CDnow just only ordered a handful and couldn't fill all the
initial orders. Have you heard something?
Vince
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 2:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW
Hi Vince,
When I ordered my I-box set on 6 December, I took a printout of the web page
containing the details and underneath Status, it says Coming Soon 12/12/00.
(*Reading the bottom of that page again, it seems that I might have been
confused by dates. It seems to state that it's the Storewide Sale that ends
on the 19th, but that the discount period extends through to the 29th).
I then received an e-mail from CDNOW, dated 13 December, stating that my
I-box had been back-ordered. I guess the store had expected it to arrive the
previous day. Since then I have heard nothing about it, and the only comment
from CDNOW, received on the 15th, relates to that reminder that the discount
expires on the 18th December -- which in view of what I've said above
doesn't seem right anyway.
Does anyone know what's going on?
> John,
>
> I haven't heard anything 'official' about the I-box being delayed. I
> thought maybe CDnow just only ordered a handful and couldn't fill all the
> initial orders. Have you heard something?
>
> Vince
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
>
From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 5:01
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW
As far as my experience goes any discount or sale price
applies when you PLACE the order. When they get around
to shipping it doesn't matter. You order during the discount
period you get the discount. Backorders don't effect it.
I hope that helps some of you sleep easier.....
Regards,
Joel
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 10:05
am
Subject: Re: TD on Elektrobeats
>
> It also might be broadcast over the Astra satellite (on digital and
> analogue). I have a copy of 'What Satellite' at home (December 2000
> edition), so I'll see if there are any satellite frequencies
listed.
> If so, I can listen to it here in Krakow! (and, if the @#**## e-
mail
> opens, I'll post them.)
The only thing I can find on the satellite (according to my magazine)
is that Radio Eins is broadcast on Astra Digital Radio (19.2E), on
11.656V, 6.30. I have only analogue, so that buggers me.
Roger
From:
'Phil White'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at Amazon.co.uk
Hi Guys,
Just a note for UK readers who don't trust their credit card info
overseas (!)
Do you want a reasonably priced 'I-Box'
I just ordered it from Amazon.co.uk on Wednesday night Dec 13th and received
it
yesterday morning Friday the 15th and it cost 34.20 including postage !
I did have a 3 gift certificate which seems to be offered at several web
sites...but even
without it it seems good value.
Can't comment on the content yet as I have only listened to the first disc
as yet !
Have a happy Christmas and a peaceful new year ATB Phil White
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 1:50
pm
Subject: cd now
Ditto for me...I ordered in November and was informed it is on backorder.
However it IS out in the US...I saw it at Tower on Wednesday ($52.00).
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
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Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself:
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Discount with CDNOW
>Hi Vince,
>
>When I ordered my I-box set on 6 December, I took a printout of the web
page
>containing the details and underneath Status, it says Coming Soon 12/12/00.
>(*Reading the bottom of that page again, it seems that I might have been
>confused by dates. It seems to state that it's the Storewide Sale that ends
>on the 19th, but that the discount period extends through to the 29th).
>
>I then received an e-mail from CDNOW, dated 13 December, stating that my
>I-box had been back-ordered. I guess the store had expected it to arrive
the
>previous day. Since then I have heard nothing about it, and the only
comment
>from CDNOW, received on the 15th, relates to that reminder that the
discount
>expires on the 18th December -- which in view of what I've said above
>doesn't seem right anyway.
>
>Does anyone know what's going on?
>
> John,
The following is the contents of a note I received yesterday from CDnow:
Dear Vince,
Thank you for contacting CDNOW.
We have just been notified by our warehouse that Tangerine Dream you
ordered which is an advanced order, did not arrive at the warehouse in
time for it to be shipped for the release date.
I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience. We will make every effort
to ship the CD as soon as it arrives at the warehouse.
Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you on this
matter.
Sincerely,
Ryan D.
Customer Service
CDNOW, Inc. Never miss a beat.
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 5:49
pm
Subject: new music
Hi everyone, shameless plug:
New music at http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm :
Two samples of Space Adventure Part 1: sequences all the time. Can be called
space music. Detailed description on the page.
Arpeggios Played On A Church Organ: does it need description?
Regards,
GJ
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
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From:
gnmorgan@b...
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 1:56
pm
Subject: Group newbie
Hi All,
Just thought I'd introduce myself, my name is Gary and I've been
a big fan of TD since 1981.
Gary.
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 7:18
pm
Subject: Apologies
Sorry to everyone for quoting half of a digest
while commenting on the whole discussion about
the '12 Days Of Christmas' thing. I imagine
everyone scrolled right past it. You'd think with
modern technology being what it is, they'd come
up with an easier method for one to cut and paste
messages. Or at the very least, make it so that
you KNOW you've accidentally included an extra
three or four paragraphs you didn't mean to.
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
Jones
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From:
Carlos Alberto Martnez Salas
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:21
pm
Subject: Re: Discount with CDNOW
[about the CDNow/i-box set affair]
I sent today a quick note to CDNow because I see in its website that they
have IN STOCK the i-box when you order it, but mine keeps on backordered
status...
who knows...
pd. Does anybody could give me a hand with this?
I'm trying to get a copy of Sea of Dreams 6CD
and The Real Dream Encores set...
Francisco? Anyone?
> _____________________________
CARLOS A. MARTINEZ SALAS
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 10:13
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Group newbie
Hi Gary,
Welcome on board the ' TD - train ' :o)
Poul
> Hi All,
>
> Just thought I'd introduce myself, my name is Gary and I've been
> a big fan of TD since 1981.
>
> Gary.
>
>
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From:
snowdog747@a...
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try
CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message about
backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of when
they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I did
not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding another
$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received some
CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no
response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
Ben Graber
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Your Favourite Dream - December'2000
> DECEMBER'2000
> ================================================
> A B C D E
> ------------------------------------------------
> 1. [ 1] Ricochet 234 68
> 2. [ 3] Logos 143 41
> 3. [ 2] Poland 133 45
> 4. [ 4] Stratosfear 118 32
> 5. [ 5] Mars Polaris 86 28
> 6. [ 6] Force Majeure 86 22
> 7. [ 7] Pergamon 83 23
> 8. [11] Exit 66 24
> 9. [ 8] Encore 64 26
> 10. [ 9] Live Miles 61 21
Funny, looks like half the top 10 are 'live' albums.
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>From: snowdog747@a...
>
>I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try
>CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message about
>backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of when
>they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I did
>not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding
>another
>$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received some
>CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no
>response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
>CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
>Ben Graber
No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem at
Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble getting
it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll retract.
-Morgan
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Feldon Feldon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
> >From: snowdog747@a...
> >
> >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try
> >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message
about
> >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of
when
> >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I
did
> >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding
> >another
> >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received
some
> >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no
> >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
> >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
> >Ben Graber
>
> No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem
at
> Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble
getting
> it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll
retract.
>
> -Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>From: 'Frank Arellano'
>
>Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records.
In England.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Feldon Feldon'
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>
>
> > >From: snowdog747@a...
> > >
> > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try
> > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message
>about
> > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation of
>when
> > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that I
>did
> > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding
> > >another
> > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received
>some
> > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no
> > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
> > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
> > >Ben Graber
> >
> > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a problem
>at
> > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble
>getting
> > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll
>retract.
> >
> > -Morgan
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 3:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
I believe Michael lives somewhere near Indiana or Ohio.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Feldon Feldon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
> >From: 'Frank Arellano'
> >
> >Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records.
>
> In England.
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: 'Feldon Feldon'
> >To:
> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
> >
> >
> > > >From: snowdog747@a...
> > > >
> > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could
try
> > > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message
> >about
> > > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear explanation
of
> >when
> > > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear that
I
> >did
> > > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding
> > > >another
> > > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received
> >some
> > > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with
no
> > > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
> > > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
> > > >Ben Graber
> > >
> > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a
problem
> >at
> > > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble
> >getting
> > > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll
> >retract.
> > >
> > > -Morgan
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From:
Ken Beal
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 3:23
am
Subject: I-Box @ CDNOW
Howdy all...
I ordered the I-box from CDNow on the 14th...they shipped it on the 15th...
ken
**********************************************
The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.'
So I bought a Macintosh.
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 5:50
am
Subject: TD Logo in JPG needed
Hello all,
Does anyone have the TD logo in a decent size in JPG format rather than
GIF?
I use it when I label my TD CD's and I have lost the one I had. And my
converter program is not working correctly.
Please send it to : hghlndr@t...
Thanks for the help,
THE HIGHLANDER
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:05
pm
Subject: I-box
I have read several people who are having trouble getting their I-box. I got
mine from Groove Unlimited this week.
I had checked both Amazon and CDNow -each of whom had better 'discounted'
prices, but much longer wait times i.e. 12/10/2000 or so. After emailing
with a guy at Groove Unlimited about availability , 'Sure, how many do you
want?' I ordered and received the I-box, total time to US - during
Christmas - 10 days.
I am very pleased with price ( w/ postage about $60.00 US) postage = 18.00
us, and service. Must wait till Christmas to open it, wife will not let me
play it until them! Damn!!
Regards,
DPH
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-box
>I have read several people who are having trouble getting their I-box. I got
>mine from Groove Unlimited this week.
>
>I had checked both Amazon and CDNow -each of whom had better 'discounted'
>prices, but much longer wait times i.e. 12/10/2000 or so. After emailing
>with a guy at Groove Unlimited about availability , 'Sure, how many do you
>want?' I ordered and received the I-box, total time to US - during
>Christmas - 10 days.
>
>I am very pleased with price ( w/ postage about $60.00 US) postage = 18.00
>us, and service. Must wait till Christmas to open it, wife will not let me
>play it until them! Damn!!
>
Sorry for asking, but considering the problem people are having getting
hold of this box set, why not just order it from the TD website. I
received mine weeks ago.
--
Richard Ford
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 7:06
pm
Subject: I-Box at Media Play!
Greetings All!
Sorry to hear about everyone's problems getting I-Box.I got mine 2 weeks
ago from TDI along with the vinyl Dream Mix releases.I just saw it at the
Media Play here in Chattanooga,Tennessee so I don't understand why the
on-line retailers don't have it yet.
Rick
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 9:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
I cancelled my CD Now order and picked it up locally for 44.00...I little
bit higher, but at least I have it in my hands...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 6:57 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>
>
> >From: snowdog747@a...
> >
> >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so I could try
> >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same
> message about
> >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear
> explanation of when
> >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very clear
> that I did
> >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding
> >another
> >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I
> received some
> >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now Saturday with no
> >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
> >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
> >Ben Graber
>
> No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's obviously a
> problem at
> Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having
> trouble getting
> it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and
> I'll retract.
>
> -Morgan
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 9:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
No, in Chicago
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:48 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>
>
> >From: 'Frank Arellano'
> >
> >Michael Jean said he saw it at Tower Records.
>
> In England.
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: 'Feldon Feldon'
> >To:
> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:57 PM
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
> >
> >
> > > >From: snowdog747@a...
> > > >
> > > >I mentioned earlier that I canceled my order with amazon so
> I could try
> > > >CDUniverse and their much cheaper price. I received the same message
> >about
> > > >backorders. I sent them a terse message wanting a clear
> explanation of
> >when
> > > >they actually would be able to ship the i-box. I was very
> clear that I
> >did
> > > >not want to receive a standard 'canned' answer and that I was holding
> > > >another
> > > >$100 order of CD's that I would not place with them unless I received
> >some
> > > >CUSTOMER SERVICE. That was on Wednesday and it is now
> Saturday with no
> > > >response. Their lack of response is definitely a response. NO MORE
> > > >CDUniverse. At least amazon responds.
> > > >Ben Graber
> > >
> > > No offense but what the heck are you expecting? It's
> obviously a problem
> >at
> > > Tangerine Dream's end if every retailer in the US is having trouble
> >getting
> > > it. If it's only Amazon and CDUniverse please let me know and I'll
> >retract.
> > >
> > > -Morgan
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 12:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Group newbie
hey, gary...
welcome to the list... just in time for the xmas season... the i-box is the hot
topic on the list at the moment, as if you hadn't noticed... mostly because of
shipping/backorder problems...
anyway, enjoy your stay, and one word of advice:
get your vote in for your favorite Top Ten tracks of the 1990's, 1 being your
favorite, etc... we need more votes!
ciao!
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From:
gnmorgan@b...
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:44
pm
Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] Group newbie
Many thanks.
Gary.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Poul Erik' wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> Welcome on board the ' TD - train ' :o)
>
> Poul
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just thought I'd introduce myself, my name is Gary and I've
been
> > a big fan of TD since 1981.
> >
> > Gary.
From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 4:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
well Steve,
maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct
from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a few extras
chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe.
Tom
--
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:12:32 scfeldman wrote:
> I placed an order for the I-Box with CD Universe back on December
>1st. At the time, the set's release date had been announced as being
>December 12th. Now, here we are on December 15th, and CD Universe
>sends me a notice telling me that the item has been backordered. What
>the f***?
>
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>SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream,
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From:
Renaud xxXxx
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 5:01
pm
Subject: Schmoelling and Schonwalder
Johannes Schmoelling 'The Zoo Of Tranquillity' CD is for sale on ebay at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=528934313
Mario Schonwalder 'The Eye Of The Chameleon' is also for sale at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=528938115
Good Luck.
Renaud.
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
tom george wrote:
> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct
from TDI.
Personally, I don't really care if I have to wait another couple of weeks to
get an album if it means a 40% discount, which is what those ordering from CD
Now and CD Universe are getting. The backorder thing is a bit annoying though,
especially when you've placed your order weeks in advance.
> i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe.
Well, I'll say one good thing. They have some of the best prices on the web.
:-)
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
but Sean,
you still have to pay for shipping. if the set costs 34.00 and you add
another 4 or so dollars shipping then we are only talking $12.00 difference to
have it a month earlier. plus like i said, ordering from the source sometimes
nets you some unexpected items. each to their own i always say. personally i
like to get the item the fastest way. if it means a few dollars more, so what.
tom
--
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:21 Sean Montgomery wrote:
>tom george wrote:
>
>> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order direct
from TDI.
>
>Personally, I don't really care if I have to wait another couple of weeks to
get an album if it means a 40% discount, which is what those ordering from CD
Now and CD Universe are getting. The backorder thing is a bit annoying though,
>especially when you've placed your order weeks in advance.
>
>
>
>> i have never heard one thing good about CD Universe.
>
>Well, I'll say one good thing. They have some of the best prices on the web.
:-)
>
>
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>
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Richard Ford
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
In message , tom george writes
> but Sean,
> you still have to pay for shipping. if the set costs 34.00 and you add
>another 4 or so dollars shipping then we are only talking $12.00 difference to
>have it a month earlier. plus like i said, ordering from the source sometimes
>nets you some unexpected items. each to their own i always say. personally i
>like to get the item the fastest way. if it means a few dollars more, so what.
>tom
I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if
the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to
continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them.
--
Richard
From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
On Monday, December 18, 2000 3:06 PM, Richard Ford
[SMTP:theroom@b...] wrote:
> I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if
> the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to
> continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them.
It is just too bad that it almost always cost more to 'by direct'
That goes for almost everything, not just TD though.
From:
'Joel S. Mullen'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:20
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
errr that is 'buy direct'
From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
i saw the box at Tower records online for $46.00. of course you have to add
shipping to that. plus it said it was being released on the 12th but they
showed it today as backordered. but Joel, you have to admit that $50.00 direct
from TDI, shipping included, for a 6 cd set is the best deal they have given
the fans ever. i mean in the past they might have charged 160.00 for this. that
is based on past prices like the booster and dice packages. i won't bother
saying any more about this, other than the fact that this is a great deal
whereever you get it.
tom
--
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:43 Joel S. Mullen wrote:
>On Monday, December 18, 2000 3:06 PM, Richard Ford
[SMTP:theroom@b...] wrote:
>> I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if
>> the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to
>> continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them.
>
>It is just too bad that it almost always cost more to 'by direct'
>That goes for almost everything, not just TD though.
>
>
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:27 +0000
>Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>From: tadream@egroups.com
>Really-From: Richard Ford
>
>I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more
>if the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to
>continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them.
Yeah, well, if they weren't such a lame-assed Mom and Pop outfit,
maybe they would have had their shit together enough to supply their
stateside distributors when they said they would! :(
I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee!
MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films,
SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream,
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
>
> Yeah, well, if they weren't such a lame-assed Mom and Pop outfit,
>maybe they would have had their shit together enough to supply their
>stateside distributors when they said they would! :(
> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee!
Why would anyone worry about supplying a country who can't even do a
simple thing like voting.
See, I can be bitchy to. Now YOU wake up and smell the coffee. If you
don't like TD, then go elsewhere.
--
Richard Ford
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
> Why would anyone worry about supplying a country who can't even do a
> simple thing like voting.
Maybe because Americans throw more money at TD than any other
country?
> See, I can be bitchy to. Now YOU wake up and smell the coffee. If
> you don't like TD, then go elsewhere.
I like TD's *music* plenty. It's just their lame business
practices that piss me off.
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
> Yeah, well, if they weren't such a lame-assed Mom and Pop outfit,
> maybe they would have had their shit together enough to supply their
> stateside distributors when they said they would! :(
> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee!
SIGH!!!!!!!!! not again...........
Jan
From:
Richard Ford
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
In message <20001218.155706.-504841.0.scfeldman@j...>,
scfeldman@j... writes
>> Why would anyone worry about supplying a country who can't even do a
>> simple thing like voting.
>
> Maybe because Americans throw more money at TD than any other
>country?
Not to sure about that one.
>
>> See, I can be bitchy to. Now YOU wake up and smell the coffee. If
>> you don't like TD, then go elsewhere.
>
> I like TD's *music* plenty. It's just their lame business
>practices that piss me off.
If you mean The Keep fiasco, I have to admit that it was going to far.
Perhaps the I-BOX is the start of something new from them (they must of
read the negative views regarding The Keep, etc.)
--
Richard Ford
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 5:19
am
Subject: TD on Electrobeats
Hi everyone,
Can someone please provide a bit of help to someone new to PCs who has never
used the internet before to listen to a radio broadcast. I'm planning on
listening to TD on Electrobeats on the 20th, and have the internet and Sky
Digital as options. If anyone is planning to use Sky Analogue, I know for a
fact that Radio Eins used to be broadcast this way, but have no idea if this is
still the case.
Is this the correct address for Radio Einz's internet broadcast?
http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram
I've tried logging on but a window keeps popping up stating 'Cannot open
'http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram'. Please verify that the path and filename
are correct and try again' Does my soundcard (Soundblaster 1024) need to be
configured in any way to receive the signal? Or could it be that Radio Einz
weren't broadcasting on the web at that particular time? Do they broadcast this
way 24 hours a day?
If Radio Einz is available on Sky Digital radio, can someone please post not
only the frequency and polarization, but also the Symbol Rate and FEC. I've
tried every combination of these at 11.656 V, only to be informed that no
signal could be found with these settings.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can prvide some info. I'm sure it might be
helpful to others too.
Enjoy the show!
- Chris Owen
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From:
gnmorgan@b...
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:28
pm
Subject: Re: TD on Electrobeats
Chris,
Radio Eins is still on Sky analogue (I have it on at the moment). I
would not trust Realplayer to stay on constantly through the
show. I think you will be disappointed. I will try and remember to
pop in an analogue tape.
Gary.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen'
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Can someone please provide a bit of help to someone new to
PCs who has never used the internet before to listen to a radio
broadcast. I'm planning on listening to TD on Electrobeats on the
20th, and have the internet and Sky Digital as options. If anyone
is planning to use Sky Analogue, I know for a fact that Radio Eins
used to be broadcast this way, but have no idea if this is still the
case.
>
> Is this the correct address for Radio Einz's internet broadcast?
http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram
>
> I've tried logging on but a window keeps popping up stating
'Cannot open 'http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram'. Please verify
that the path and filename are correct and try again' Does my
soundcard (Soundblaster 1024) need to be configured in any
way to receive the signal? Or could it be that Radio Einz weren't
broadcasting on the web at that particular time? Do they
broadcast this way 24 hours a day?
>
> If Radio Einz is available on Sky Digital radio, can someone
please post not only the frequency and polarization, but also the
Symbol Rate and FEC. I've tried every combination of these at
11.656 V, only to be informed that no signal could be found with
these settings.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who can prvide some info. I'm
sure it might be helpful to others too.
>
> Enjoy the show!
>
> - Chris Owen
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
In message <91m31n+mild@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes
>Chris,
>
>Radio Eins is still on Sky analogue (I have it on at the moment). I
>would not trust Realplayer to stay on constantly through the
>show. I think you will be disappointed. I will try and remember to
>pop in an analogue tape.
Hi Gary
Could you possibly supply the Frequency, etc.
Thanks
--
Richard Ford
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
Considering 65% of I-Box is Tangents and Dream Roots, it's not THAT much of
a deal. I hate to be the naysayer. I do want it for the few morsels of
previously unreleased material and for the Perth concert.
I don't think there is anyone on this list who wouldn't pay $120 for a 12 CD
set of six concerts, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1986, and maybe 1990, or join a
bi-monthly programme over the next few years for $25 each 2CD set with a
concert, untouched.
I'd buy directly from TD if it were the same price as online retailers. I'm
going to buy it (well, backorder at least) for myself as a xmas gift.
-Morgan
>From: 'tom george'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:27:01 -0500
>
> i saw the box at Tower records online for $46.00. of course you have to
>add shipping to that. plus it said it was being released on the 12th but
>they showed it today as backordered. but Joel, you have to admit that
>$50.00 direct from TDI, shipping included, for a 6 cd set is the best deal
>they have given the fans ever. i mean in the past they might have charged
>160.00 for this. that is based on past prices like the booster and dice
>packages. i won't bother saying any more about this, other than the fact
>that this is a great deal whereever you get it.
>tom
>--
>
>On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:43 Joel S. Mullen wrote:
> >On Monday, December 18, 2000 3:06 PM, Richard Ford
>[SMTP:theroom@b...] wrote:
> >> I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more if
> >> the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to
> >> continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them.
> >
> >It is just too bad that it almost always cost more to 'by direct'
> >That goes for almost everything, not just TD though.
> >
> >
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
>From: scfeldman@j...
>
> >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:27 +0000
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
> >From: tadream@egroups.com
> >Really-From: Richard Ford
> >
> >I have to agree with Tom, there is also the point that TDI earn more
> >if the items are purchased direct from them. If you REALLY want TD to
> >continue, surely you would be willing to help finance them.
I don't want TD to continue doctoring concerts, not doing any promotion
state-side, and not getting their CDs distributed. Honestly, I-Box at $50
doesn't interest me. At $35 it's more reasonable. I'm not really buying
I-Box to support Edgar's endeavours, it's just because there's some new
music on there. I guess I can't separate the two can I?
-Morgan
P.S. CD Universe has the cheapest prices I've seen, is very slow to ship,
and probably on the brink of going tits-up.
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
>From: 'Chris Owen'
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Can someone please provide a bit of help to someone new to PCs who has
>never used the internet before to listen to a radio broadcast. I'm planning
>on listening to TD on Electrobeats on the 20th, and have the internet and
>Sky Digital as options. If anyone is planning to use Sky Analogue, I know
>for a fact that Radio Eins used to be broadcast this way, but have no idea
>if this is still the case.
>
>Is this the correct address for Radio Einz's internet broadcast?
>http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram
>
>I've tried logging on but a window keeps popping up stating 'Cannot open
>'http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram'. Please verify that the path and
>filename are correct and try again' Does my soundcard (Soundblaster 1024)
>need to be configured in any way to receive the signal? Or could it be that
>Radio Einz weren't broadcasting on the web at that particular time? Do they
>broadcast this way 24 hours a day?
I just tried http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram and it works fine for me. I'm
assuming you have the latest version of RealAudio Player installed on your
computer? .RAM files require RealAudio. www.real.com
-Morgan
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
Tom?
Is there a hint in this post that YOU received a hidden 'extra' in
YOUR copy of the I-Box?
Neal
> [Original Message]
> From: tom george
> To:
> Date: 12/18/00 11:32:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>
> well Steve,
> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order
direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a
few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good
about CD Universe.
> Tom
> --
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 5:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
I received an EXTRA!
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 8:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
In message , rbrown4856@a... writes
>I received an EXTRA!
Go on then, make us all jealous
--
Richard
From:
Matthew Stringer
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ISP
Firstnet in Leeds
But I could be biased as I work there!
On Tue, 05 Dec 2000, you wrote:
> Can anyone in the UK suggest any ISP's they are happy with. I would be
> grateful for your ideas. I'm getting *********************** off with
> mine.
>
> Thanks
> David
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
hi neal,
no extra cds but a couple of adverts from the Ground Liftaz event. how's
everything going your way papa? take care,
tom
--
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:59:29 Neal Frost wrote:
>Tom?
>
> Is there a hint in this post that YOU received a hidden 'extra' in
>YOUR copy of the I-Box?
>
>Neal
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: tom george
>> To:
>> Date: 12/18/00 11:32:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>>
>> well Steve,
>> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order
>direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a
>few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good
>about CD Universe.
>> Tom
>> --
>
>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
sorry folks,
hit send before i realized it was going to the list. mean't to be a private
reply.
tom
--
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:59:29 Neal Frost wrote:
>Tom?
>
> Is there a hint in this post that YOU received a hidden 'extra' in
>YOUR copy of the I-Box?
>
>Neal
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: tom george
>> To:
>> Date: 12/18/00 11:32:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>>
>> well Steve,
>> maybe next time you will pony up a couple of more dollars and order
>direct from TDI. then you would have had it a month ago and maybe have a
>few extras chunked in the box with it. i have never heard one thing good
>about CD Universe.
>> Tom
>> --
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more!
scfeldman@j... wrote:
>
> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee!
You're so absolutely right! To hell with Tangerine Dream and all their
music. They continue to disappoint my narrow-minded musical tastes, and
I'm just not standing for it anymore. If the rest of you want to keep
ponying up your hard-earned cash to support this leech, then fine. Enjoy
your open-minded easily-accepted musical ignorance while you can; I'm going
to throw out my entire TD collection (since even the memory of the old
stuff I used to love has been stained and spoiled by the current trend of
something that sounds different and evolved) and stick with the artists
like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down.
Thank you Steven for finally showing me the light! Now let's see if I can
figure out how to unsubscribe...
James
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more!
In a message dated 19/12/00 16:17:04 GMT Standard Time,
galador@m... writes:
<< stick with the artists
like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down. >>
Thought you were serious then. LOL
From:
'tom george'
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more!
haaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa. damn James you are funny. see you at the swamp?
tom
--
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:14:23 James E. Jacoby wrote:
>
>
>scfeldman@j... wrote:
>
>>
>> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the coffee!
>
>You're so absolutely right! To hell with Tangerine Dream and all their
>music. They continue to disappoint my narrow-minded musical tastes, and
>I'm just not standing for it anymore. If the rest of you want to keep
>ponying up your hard-earned cash to support this leech, then fine. Enjoy
>your open-minded easily-accepted musical ignorance while you can; I'm going
>to throw out my entire TD collection (since even the memory of the old
>stuff I used to love has been stained and spoiled by the current trend of
>something that sounds different and evolved) and stick with the artists
>like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down.
>
>Thank you Steven for finally showing me the light! Now let's see if I can
>figure out how to unsubscribe...
>
>James
>
>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more!
James, I thought you were serious there for a minute too. :-) I was just
about to tell you FUCK the Backstreet Boys !! And you can throw over the
side of the boat all those nasty ass divas too!!
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From:
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Subject: Re: [tadream] An apologist no more!
> In a message dated 19/12/00 16:17:04 GMT Standard Time,
> galador@m... writes:
>
> << stick with the artists
> like Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child who will never let me down. >>
> Thought you were serious then. LOL
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
So Did I!
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
I found CD World was actually cheaper than any of the major online
distributors.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Feldon Feldon'
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Lamesness re I-BOX Availability
> P.S. CD Universe has the cheapest prices I've seen, is very slow to ship,
> and probably on the brink of going tits-up.
>
>
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 3:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
Tom,
Absolutely Wonderful! My greatest Christmas gift I received this past
March!!!
Neal
> [Original Message]
> From: tom george
> To:
> Date: 12/19/00 10:51:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box at CD Universe
>
> hi neal,
> no extra cds but a couple of adverts from the Ground Liftaz event.
how's everything going your way papa? take care,
> tom
> --
From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 1:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
>Howdy all...
>
>I ordered the I-box from CDNow on the 14th...they shipped it on the 15th...
>
>ken
Ken, have you received your I-box from CDnow yet?
I have been sending e-mails about my order to their customer service and
they aren't replying.
Vince
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:43
pm
Subject: Edgar's Inability to Have Any Objectivity
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:14:23 -0500 'James E. Jacoby'
writes:
>scfeldman@j... wrote:
>> I wish all you Edgar Apologists would wake up and smell the
coffee!
>
>You're so absolutely right! To hell with Tangerine Dream and all
>their music. [. . .]
Nice try, but I like TD plenty. My problem is with Edgar's decision
to have TDI run by a half dozen people and his inability to have any
objectivity. He's like George Lucas: he has too much creative control
and no one in the position to tell him when he's making bad decisions
or is being an idiot. For example, can anyone here name any other band
that is so hell-bent on doctoring older recordings so extensively?
> [. . .] They continue to disappoint my narrow-minded musical tastes,
>I'm going to throw out my entire TD collection (since even the memory
>of the old stuff I used to love has been stained and spoiled by the
>current trend of something that sounds different and evolved) [. . .]
I strongly disagree here, too: I like music from *all* of TD's
'periods' and I rank MARS POLARIS in their Top Ten of all time.
MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films,
SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream,
MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature,
EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ & anime by Hayao Miyazaki
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:36
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
well, not exactly, BUT, you can easily view an auto-translated version:
1) go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn
2) enter the url into the appropriate field
(http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/index.htm)
3) enjoy a hard-to-read-but-understandable-for-the-most-part version of the
site.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Ford [mailto:theroom@b...]
> I take it there is no English version of the magazine/article
> > HI!
> >
> > Hot news for all Tangerine Dream fans!
> >
> > GERMAN ROCK e.V. made a 28 pages special about TANGERINE
> DREAM in
> > their
> > magazine called 'Rock News'. IMO, it's the best and most complete
> > story about TD I found during the last years.
> >
From:
'Todd Tornow'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:30
pm
Subject: Christmas Blessings!
From our Family to yours!
May your Christmas be very pleasant.
May the Holidays and the New Year bring the best for you and those closest
to you.
Sincerely,
Todd and Julie Tornow and Family
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From:
gnmorgan@b...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: TD on Electrobeats
Richard,
It's - 11.053 H.
Gary.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Richard Ford
wrote:
> In message <91m31n+mild@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes
> >Chris,
> >
> >Radio Eins is still on Sky analogue (I have it on at the
moment). I
> >would not trust Realplayer to stay on constantly through the
> >show. I think you will be disappointed. I will try and remember
to
> >pop in an analogue tape.
>
> Hi Gary
>
> Could you possibly supply the Frequency, etc.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Richard Ford
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Richard Ford
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 7:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
In message <91r0lr+8o07@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes
>Richard,
>
>It's - 11.053 H.
>
>Gary.
Thanks, have tuned it in, now just have to wait until Wednesday.
--
Richard
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 9:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
OK, I'm listening to the station, but it is in German. Will Electrobeats be
in English?
--Bennett
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> well, not exactly, BUT, you can easily view an auto-translated version:
Joe, there is already an auto-translated version at the files area of
tadream:
http://www.egroups.com/files/tadream/germanrock.txt
How come that the list owner doesn't know that ? ;-)
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 9:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
Nope. Edgar and Jerome speak mostly German and this is a German radio
station.
If the last 2 Electrobeats shows are any indication, expect some talking by
Edgar and Jerome and then a lot of TD, some of which will have been
previously unreleased. (Much of the last Electrobeats' unreleased music
ended up on Antique Dreams)
Enjoy!
Morgan
>From: Bennett Cookson
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: ''tadream@egroups.com''
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0700
>
>OK, I'm listening to the station, but it is in German. Will Electrobeats
>be
>in English?
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 9:56
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Rock e.V. -> A MUST!
haha, oops. well, I checked and you're right: the notification of upload
was buried in my e-mail:
thanks.
File : /germanrock.txt
Uploaded by : kevine@c...
Description : Badly translated english version of Article
Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:13:40 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
...
> How come that the list owner doesn't know that ? ;-)
>
> Antonio Nunes
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:06
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
Woo hoo, as of 4:06PM Central time, now that the news and advertising are
out of the way, the third Tangerine Dream-hosted Electrobeats is on the air.
Now someone will kill me because I can't remember what this is from.
Hyperborea? I know it's used in the Wavelength soundtrack...
-Morgan
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
Bennett Cookson wrote:
>
> OK, I'm listening to the station, but it is in German. Will Electrobeats be
> in English?
No, but you will understand the music :-)
I'm listening to it right now, via RealAudio
(http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram)
Antonio Nunes
From:
joes@f...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:18
pm
Subject: someone taping current radioeins broadcast?
listening to RadioEins broadcast, but I have to leave for home now.
I hope someone is taping this?
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From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] someone taping current radioeins broadcast?
I keep losing my connection to their Internet site I hope someone will have
a clean MP3 version they can post once this is done...
-----Original Message-----
From: joes@f... [mailto:joes@f...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:19 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] someone taping current radioeins broadcast?
listening to RadioEins broadcast, but I have to leave for home now.
I hope someone is taping this?
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
I missed the first 35 minutes or so...what have they played so far? Right now,
they've got the 1997 version of Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe on.
I assume they'll be saving the poll results for later on in the show?
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 10:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
Ah, an extended (live) version of Choronzon...and not Tangentized! Someone *is*
recording this, right?
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Totta
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
Hi People
Im one of the unlucky, who missed the radio eins show so now im begging.
Is there any chans in hell that someone who taped the show can send me a copy.
Offcourse you get something in return, thanks in advance
Totta
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
This could be grossly inaccurate, but so far I've heard....
1. LeParc / Wavelength?
2. Rolling Down Cahuenga
3. Cinnamon Road
4. Return of the Goodsens/Dream is always the same (possibly live as it has
some earlier [1981] elements and is quite long)
5. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997
Morgan
>From: Sean Montgomery
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:54:22 -0500
>
>I missed the first 35 minutes or so...what have they played so far? Right
>now,
>they've got the 1997 version of Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe on.
>
>I assume they'll be saving the poll results for later on in the show?
>
>--
>SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
>T O P I X / Mad Dog
>http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
The show has 40 minutes left still man.
-Morgan
>From: Totta
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:01:07 +0100
>
>Hi People
>
>Im one of the unlucky, who missed the radio eins show so now im begging.
>Is there any chans in hell that someone who taped the show can send me a
>copy.
>Offcourse you get something in return, thanks in advance
>
>Totta
>
>
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From:
Totta
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
But i cant hear it, i live in sweden.
Im envie you people.....
Totta
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> The show has 40 minutes left still man.
>
> -Morgan
>
> >From: Totta
> >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
> >To: tadream@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
> >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:01:07 +0100
> >
> >Hi People
> >
> >Im one of the unlucky, who missed the radio eins show so now im begging.
> >Is there any chans in hell that someone who taped the show can send me a
> >copy.
> >Offcourse you get something in return, thanks in advance
> >
> >Totta
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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From:
Bill Frederick
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
I'm listening to it on RealAudio
and it sounds fine. Just go to the
website. Listening to TD at work
is great.
b2
But i cant hear it, i live in sweden.
Im envie you people.....
Totta
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
Bill Frederick wrote:
> Listening to TD at work is great.
Agreed...although I can do it anytime, by bringing in a CD. It's really
weird hearing TD music coming from a radio station though!
For those who can't hear the show, I can add to the previously posted
track listing:
Choronzon (live)
Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares
Canyon Carver
A live piece that I recognize, but I can't think of the name (1990 or
1992 tour?)
Stratosfear
Betrayal
Scrap Yard
Lana (the Force Majeure except used on the Risky Business Soundtrack)
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
Totta wrote:
>
> But i cant hear it, i live in sweden.
Of course you can. Have you tried the URL that I posted on my previous
message? Of course you'll have to have the RealPlayer installed in your
PC. Well, you have 15 minutes left.
Antonio Nunes
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 11:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
> Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-)
You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started.
I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in
'London, New York, or wherever'
How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York...
--Bennett
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
Here's my preliminary tracklist for the 2 hour Electrobeats show. The first
tracks are guesses and the rest is from Sean Montgomery:
1. LeParc / Wavelength piece?
2. Rolling Down Cahuenga
3. Cinnamon Road?
4. Return of the Goodsens extended live edition?
5. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997
6. Choronzon (live - as per Sean)
7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares
8. Canyon Carver
9. unknown 1982 live piece
10. Stratosfear
11. Betrayal
12. Scrap Yard
13. Lana (Force Majeure excerpt)
14. Rubycon pt 2 excerpt
15. Tangram pt 2 excerpt
Certainly not as exciting as last year or the year before, but TD on the
radio is always a good thing.
Cheers,
-Morgan
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:15
am
Subject: Electrobeats fresh news
Jerome Froese has just announced that TD will play in Portugal, Spain
and France.
First he announced in Spanish: 'Since we plan to play a few concerts in
Portugal, we also will play most probably in Barcelona and Madrid.'
He also announced in French: 'It's possible that TD will play in Paris
at the beginning of May'.
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Greg'
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Feldon Feldon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
> Here's my preliminary tracklist for the 2 hour Electrobeats show. The
first
> tracks are guesses and the rest is from Sean Montgomery:
>
> 1. LeParc / Wavelength piece?
> 2. Rolling Down Cahuenga
> 3. Cinnamon Road?
> 4. Return of the Goodsens extended live edition?
> 5. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997
> 6. Choronzon (live - as per Sean)
> 7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares
> 8. Canyon Carver
> 9. unknown 1982 live piece
> 10. Stratosfear
> 11. Betrayal
> 12. Scrap Yard
> 13. Lana (Force Majeure excerpt)
> 14. Rubycon pt 2 excerpt
> 15. Tangram pt 2 excerpt
>
> Certainly not as exciting as last year or the year before, but TD on the
> radio is always a good thing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Morgan
on 15. .. make that Tangram pt 1 excerpt (love that opening flute like
sequence!)
Greg H
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 12:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Electrobeats
Feldon Feldon wrote:
>
> Here's my preliminary tracklist for the 2 hour Electrobeats show. The first
> tracks are guesses and the rest is from Sean Montgomery:
>
> 1. LeParc / Wavelength piece?
It's Gaudi Park
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 1:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
Bennett, you live in Utah??
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bennett Cookson'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
> > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-)
>
> You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started.
> I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in
> 'London, New York, or wherever'
> How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York...
>
> --Bennett
>
>
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>
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From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 5:30
am
Subject: D: [Broadcast] Electrobeats 2000 =)
Not having the tangents box set or the I-Box yet this was very
interesting listening, as they played the Tangentised versions of
Rubycon and The Girl on the Stairways which is one of the best TD tracks
I have ever heard. The live version of Rolling down Cahuenga sounded
very very similar to the studio version although it varied more towards
the end. The live version of Choronzon was excellent also, very similar
to the recoring on RDE or is it SOD I forget.
Looking forward to the I-Box and a possible NYC gig,
Tom Melrose
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 8:09
am
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Christmas Blessings!
And a very happy christmas to You all, too :o)
* From our Family to yours!
>
> May your Christmas be very pleasant.
>
> May the Holidays and the New Year bring the best for you and those closest
> to you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd and Julie Tornow and Family
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 10:23
am
Subject: Choronzon live Elektrobeats
Yo,
I forgot to mention that the 'Choronzon' live track was taken from the
Rome Palasport February 6th, 1981 concert
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 10:18
am
Subject: Concert dates & more
Hi,
I haven't had the chance to listen to the Elektrobeats show yesterday,
but a friend of mine (who isn't a member of the Tadream lists) told me
that. I hope what he wrote me is true, it's somehow too good to be true!
;-)
a) 2001: TD will tour in Portugal and Spain, France, London in
March/April, Berlin in October
b) First performance of 'Dante's trilogy' (in 3 parts which will be
performed within a time span of two years: 1st concert near
Bernau/Berlin, 2nd part in Atlanta/USA, 3rd part in Sydney)
c) Release of Dream mixes III in March 2001.
d) there will be no DVD releases in the next couple of months
e) TD plans to release an official video from a 70's live concert (!)
f) Edgar is talking about bootlegs. He thinks that it's ok as long as
the sound quality is very good and the number of copies released is less
than 500.
g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to
TD tracks.
h) Club Tour 2001 in USA! (this will excite quite a few of you guys on
the list ;-)
Heiko
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From:
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Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 2:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Concert dates & more
what is his source for this information?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:19 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Concert dates & more
>
>
> Hi,
> I haven't had the chance to listen to the Elektrobeats show yesterday,
> but a friend of mine (who isn't a member of the Tadream lists) told me
> that. I hope what he wrote me is true, it's somehow too good
> to be true!
> ;-)
>
> a) 2001: TD will tour in Portugal and Spain, France, London in
> March/April, Berlin in October
> b) First performance of 'Dante's trilogy' (in 3 parts which will be
> performed within a time span of two years: 1st concert near
> Bernau/Berlin, 2nd part in Atlanta/USA, 3rd part in Sydney)
> c) Release of Dream mixes III in March 2001.
> d) there will be no DVD releases in the next couple of months
> e) TD plans to release an official video from a 70's live concert (!)
> f) Edgar is talking about bootlegs. He thinks that it's ok as long as
> the sound quality is very good and the number of copies
> released is less
> than 500.
> g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to
> TD tracks.
> h) Club Tour 2001 in USA! (this will excite quite a few of you guys on
> the list ;-)
>
> Heiko
>
>
>
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>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 2:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert dates & more
Joe Shoults schrieb:
> what is his source for this information?
He listened to the show yesterday (I also have a confirmation from one of
the German Tadream list members that what I said is 100% true)
Heiko
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 3:24
pm
Subject: Official Electrobeats Tracklisting - Poll Results
The RadioEins website has posted the tracklisting for TD's show yesterday. And
boy, do I feel like a dummy for identifying track 12 as a live track. Just
goes to show that even TD fans get their songs confused, I suppose. And it
also shows that that I should listen to Mars Polaris again, because I'd
forgotten that I liked that track.
1. Gaudi Park
2. Rolling Down Cahuenga (live)
3. Cinnamon Road
4. The Dream Is Always the Same
5. Last Trumpet on 23rd Street
6. Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe (remix)
7. Choronzon (live)
8. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares (excerpt)
9. Canyon Carver
10. Rim of Schiaparelli
11. Stratosfear (excerpt)
12. Betrayal - from Sorcerer
13. Scrap Yard - from Thief
14. Force Majeure ('Lana' except from Tangents)
15. Rubycon (The Decision)
16. Tangram Part One (first 5 minutes)
And here are the poll results:
Studio Albums
1.Tangram
2.Rubycon
3.Force Majeure
4.Stratosfear
5.Mars Polaris
6.Phaedra
7.Underwater Sunlight
8.Exit
9.White Eagle
10.Hyperborea
11.Melrose
12. (tie) Le Parc / Optical Race
13.Tyranny Of Beauty
14.Zeit
15.(tie) Goblins Club / Dream Mixes 1
16.Turn Of The Tides
17.Timesquare - Dream Mixes 2
18.Green Desert / Rockoon
19.Atem
20.(tie) Alpha Centauri / Lily On The Beach
Live Albums
1.Logos
2.Ricochet
3.Poland
4.Encore
5.220 Volt Live
6.Pergamon
7.Livemiles
8.Tournado
9.Valentine Wheels
10.Soundmill Navigator
Soundtracks
1.Thief
2.Sorcerer
3.Oasis
4.Firestarter
5.The Keep
6.Canyon Dreams
7.Legend
8.Miracle Mile
9.What A Blast
10.Wavelength
11.Great Wall Of China
12.Flashpoint
13.Near Dark
14.Risky Business
15.Transsiberia
16.Destination Berlin
17.Heartbreakers
18.Shy People
19.Zoning
20.Le' Affaire Wallraff
The usual suspects show up at the top of the lists. I wonder how Edgar felt
having to sit there and have the supremacy of TD's (un-Tangentized) older
albums proclaimed right to his face. Anyway, there are a couple of surprises,
most notably the high placements for Tyranny of Beauty, Zeit, and Great Wall of
China, the relatively low placement for Dream Mixes, and the non-appearance of
Cyclone. Or perhaps that's not a surprise?
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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pm
Subject: Re: Official Electrobeats Tracklisting - Poll Results
Oops, sorry, I meant that I identified track 10 as a live track.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 8:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD on Elektrobeats
>From: NEUMANN.H-J@t...
>
>Hi all,
>
>'ElektroBeats' is an german Radio - Program broadcast every week on
>wednesday 11 PM to 01 AM on the Station: Radio Eins (Berlin/Potsdam).
>
>more information : www.radioeins.de
http://www.radioeins.de/live.ram
Don't forget! That's 3pm EST, 4pm CST, 5pm MST, and 6pm PST.
-Morgan
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From:
'Patrik .'
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert dates & more
Really good news - TD Live, at last!
- Feliz Navidad y un prospero ao 2001! -
or as we say:
- God Jul och Ett Gott Nytt r -
Best regards to you all
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:51
pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: Erp!- Muslimgauze,&Reggae/Dub and prolific artists
check this guy out fellow TDers....the discussion was what artist had the
largest catalog and of course TD was mentioned and then this guy came out of
the woodwork....geez.....Stratosfear....crappy?
tom
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DATE: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:02:16
From: Guy Berger
To: erpnotes@e...
At 12:34 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Tangerine Dream, over 80 albums thus far, not including boxsets, comps and
>reissues.
But only less than 10 are worth hearing. ;) (To be honest, I
haven't heard any complete albums beyond _Stratosfear_ but that one was
pretty crappy.)
Guy
np Genesis _Live_
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'tom george'
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:55
pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: Erp!- Muslimgauze,&Reggae/Dub and prolific artists
and here is another......
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DATE: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:10:57
From: 'Martin A. Miller'
To: erpnotes@e...
>
> At 12:34 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, somebody wrote:
> >Tangerine Dream, over 80 albums thus far, not including boxsets, comps and
> >reissues.
And, Guy Berger replied:
> But only less than 10 are worth hearing. ;) (To be honest, I
> haven't heard any complete albums beyond _Stratosfear_ but that one was
> pretty crappy.)
I would have to agree. I recently picked up something called 'Destination
Berlin'. Pretty nasty. Sort of contemporary jazz (read Kenny G) meets
electronica. My favorites include:
Phaedra, Ricochet, Sorceror Soundtrack, and by far my absolute favorite,
Force Majeur
> Guy
cheers,
-mm
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert dates & more
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will sing (!) to
> TD tracks.
That has the potential to be the worst TD album ever. Can you imagine a
whole album of Dreamtime, Rose of Babylon, and Shy People? I imagine the
Star Wars Christmas Special from 1978, with Carrie Fisher singing the 'Life
Day' song to the tune of the Star Wars main theme. *shudder*
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have shipped
the I-box to me. It's about time. :-)
From:
Totta
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
Lucky you, i still haven't heard anything
Totta
Vince LeGrand wrote:
> I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have shipped
> the I-box to me. It's about time. :-)
>
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From:
gnmorgan@b...
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:50
pm
Subject: Re: Concert dates & more
What on earth is 'Rose of Babylon'?
Gary.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Sean Montgomery
wrote:
>
>
> Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
> > g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will
sing (!) to
> > TD tracks.
>
> That has the potential to be the worst TD album ever. Can you
imagine a
> whole album of Dreamtime, Rose of Babylon, and Shy
People? I imagine the
> Star Wars Christmas Special from 1978, with Carrie Fisher
singing the 'Life
> Day' song to the tune of the Star Wars main theme. *shudder*
>
> --
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:53
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Concert dates & more
Check 'The Hollywood Years II', the last song is called 'Rose of Babylon'.
A lady named Vicki McClure I think is singing. I also remember something
about TDI making a whole album with her, but I can't remember clearly.
Thomas
> What on earth is 'Rose of Babylon'?
>
> Gary.
>
> --- In tadream@egroups.com, Sean Montgomery
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> >
> > > g) There will be a tribute album soon with people who will
> sing (!) to
> > > TD tracks.
> >
> > That has the potential to be the worst TD album ever. Can you
> imagine a
> > whole album of Dreamtime, Rose of Babylon, and Shy
> People? I imagine the
> > Star Wars Christmas Special from 1978, with Carrie Fisher
> singing the 'Life
> > Day' song to the tune of the Star Wars main theme. *shudder*
> >
> > --
> > SEAN MONTGOMERY
> >
> > T O P I X / Mad Dog
> > http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:35
pm
Subject: i-Box review
Greetings all-
Well, I've had my i-Box for 2 weeks now (picked it up at RPM here in
Dallas), so I've had a chance to thoroughly soak it in. There are
a few more surprises on these discs than has been previously
mentioned by those who got it last month! Which is a good thing, as
it gives me another opportunity to join the ego-fest here!:) Now
let's get on with it, shall we?
Nice packaging with the barest miniumum of typos/grammatical errors.
Great photos in the booklet, although a few of them are
mislabeled (just one example: #61 is labelled as Lycabethus, Athens
instead of New York Avery Fisher Hall '77!) Now as to what's on
the discs, here's a quick rundown with source info after the track
times (if there is no note, then it is the original):
CD 1-
01 Alpha Centauri 3.18 (DR)
02 Fauni Gena 3.58 (DR)
03 Birth of Liquid Plejades 3.44 (DR-Edit)
04 White Clouds 4.22
05 Green Desert 5.26
06 Astral Voyager 6.11
07 Indian Summer 6.42
08 Dolphin Dance 5.02
09 Underwater Twilight 5.50
10 Coppercoast 5.17
11 The Night at Ayers Rock 3.17
12 Logos (Red Part) 6.12 (T)
13 Monolight 4.50 (T)
14 No Man's Land 7.29 (T)
CD 2-
01 Logos (Blue Part) 5.55 (T)
02 Cinnamon Road 4.15 (T)
03 Desert Dream 4.00 (T)
04 Logos (Velvet Part) 5.09 (T)
05 Hyperborea 8.38 (T)
06 Dominion 4.46 (T)
07 Monolight (Yellow Part) 7.16 (T)
08 Volcano 4.41
09 Ride on a Ray 5.14
10 Pergamon (Piano Part) 4.58 (T)
11 Tangent 5.20 (DR)
12 Central Park 3.35 (DR)
13 Barbakane (Part Two) 4.14 (DR)
CD 3-
01 Zen Garden 4.42 (DR)
02 Yellowstone Park 6.10
03 LiveMiles (Green Trail Part) 6.19 (Edit)
04 Gaudi Park 5.18
05 Alchemy of the Heart 5.47 (Edit)
06 Song of the Whale (from Dawn) 4.59 (DR)
07 Tyger (William Blake Poem) 5.32
08 Bois de Bologne 5.13
09 Poland 9.18 (DR)
10 LiveMiles (San Buena Ventura) 5.11
11 Song of the Whale (to Dusk) 5.57 (DR)
12 The Cliffs of Sydney 5.39
CD 4-
01 Warsaw in the Sun (live) 4.33 (12' Version)
02 Polish Dance (live) 5.49
03 Melrose (live) 5.43
04 Electric Lion (live) 8.11
05 Longing for Cashba 7.37 (Unreleased Live Berlin `90, studio
additions)
06 Cool at Heart (live) 6.07
07 Sun Gate (live) 4.43
08 Marakesh (live) 8.19 (Demo Version)
09 Ivory Town 4.32 (Unreleased)
10 Cat Scan (live) 5.33 (Demo Version)
11 Ghazal (live) 4.57
12 The Midnight Trail (live) 5.45
CD 5-
01 Too Hot for My Chinchilla (live) 3.45
02 Unicorn Saga (live) 3.56 (Unreleased)
03 Lily on the Beach (live) 4.14
04 Storm Seekers 5.27 (Unreleased)
05 Mount Shasta (live) 4.25
06 Exit (live) 4.32 (Unreleased Live US `86)
07 Akash Deep 7.25 (Unreleased Live US `86, studio additions)
08 Crystal Curfew (live) 5.00
09 Cool Shibuya 3.53 (Unreleased)
10 Alaskan Summer (live) 3.34
11 Long Island Sunset (live) 6.58
12 Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) 6.43
13 Iguana (live) 5.34 (Unreleased)
CD 6-
01 DreamYard (The Perth Tapes)
Part 1: Red Velvet Rooster (Unreleased)/
Part 2: Mojave Plan (Desert Version) 45.35 (Unreleased Tangents
Version)
Now for the crux of the biscuit.:) With the exceptions of
'Exit' and 'Polish Dance', *NONE* of the tracks
labeled as live actually are. They've all been 'ambience
enhanced', but that's it. Which is more than a little
bummer-for despite the opinion of some of the purists out there, there *are*
often differences in the material
performed live. A few examples- _Melrose_ as performed live had no
sax; _Electic Lion_ as performed live had no guitar; _Sungate_ as
performed live had no guitar-and all of the previous also had
voicing changes to boot. It would've been nice to hear them.
But just when I'm about to give up on the familiar titles, along
comes Disc 4 with a few 'hidden treasures'. First is
'Warsaw in the Sun'. Not the excerpt from 'Barbakane', but the previously
unreleased on official CD
12' version (and I swear I hear vinyl noise...)! Bliss! Next is 'Marakesh'. Not
the
original or live version but what has to be a *demo* version! The
difference in the sequencing and the missing voices and `polish' subtly change
the feel of
this track. Cool! Now we come to 'Cat Scan'. Again, not the
original or live version but another demo version! Like
'Marakesh', this one also has voicing differences and lacks
`polish'-plus it has a cold ending. Neat! Now for the unreleased tracks.
'Longing for
Cashba' is an edit of an unreleased Berlin `90 mainset theme
with some additions (namely the sax) to fill it out. I've always
liked this theme and am glad it's finally out in any form.
'Ivory Tower' sounds to me like a _Miracle Mile_ outtake. This track
compliments 'On the Spur of the Moment' from that soundtrack
quite nicely, I think.
Then we come to Disc 5. This is the one that was advertised as
containing most of the unreleased goodies. It doesn't dissapoint.
I've already dispensed with the 'live' business, so,
moving on to the unreleased material we find another
surprise-'Unicorn Saga'!
It's not the live version (unless the performance at the Mill
Valley Film Festival was truly unique-I *still* can't beleive
that there is no
fan tape from this event!) from the `86 Tour, but what instead
sounds like another demo; or better still, what should've been
the
end titles instead of the Brian Ferry song! In fact, I'll bet
that's just what it is. It's a really interesting version of
the theme-wistfully
triumphant and faintly elegiac. 'Storm Seekers' is a simple
yet interesting track. The sound is late `80s with a modern wash
but the
feel is early `80s-sort of a 'Stuntman 2000'! This would
not be a bad fit on _Optical Race_, in my opinion.
Then the awesome 'Akash Deep' starts. My first live TD
experience was the center of the 11th row of the Kiva Center in
Albuquerque on June 8, 1986. Of all the music performed that evening,
this piece was the one that embedded itself most deeply
into my memory of that magical evening. I basically instantly
memorized that single section-it was hard not to, actually, as it was
(for me) a total sensory overload. The music was not only heard, but
*felt* (the bass sequence and the second section drum part
resonated throughout my entire body) and seen (the searchlight
scanning the audience through the fog was mesmerising.) My
first disappointment with the band came upon the release of
_LiveMiles_ and the discovery that none of my memories, *
especially* 'Akash Deep' were to be found on that LP. This
belated release almost makes up for that. It's an edited and
tweaked
version of the piece (in concert it was over 14 minutes long) but
wonderful to hear nonetheless. I just wish that it was the original
full
version.
'Cool Shibuya' would not be out of place on _Oasis_. It has
that late `80s/early `90s feel to it-not bad.
'Iguana' contains the
chord sequence from one of the unreleased `88 Tour themes as
it's intro and outro. But the middle section is another story! I
would
bet that this is a _Lily on the Beach_ outtake, judging by the
(uncredited) Jerome fret work on the first half of the guitar part!
Since
Ralf Wadephul is give a co-writing credit and his stint with the band
ended not long after the `88 Tour (during writing for _LotB_ and
_Dead Solid Perfect_), I imagine that Edgar and Jerome wrote
'Radio City' to replace it on the aforementioned disc. Parts
of it
can be heard on _DSP_, however.
Disc 6. _Dream Yard-The Perth Tapes_. My hopes for the second half of
the Aussie `82 shows having already been crushed by the
early reports of the contents, I'm originally resigned to just
giving it a cursory listen. But right from the start I notice that
once again, it
pays to ignore certain reviews. The very opening flute notes are
maddeningly familiar-I *think* they're from one of the early
`80s
soundchecks, but I can't find the tape to be sure! The first 8:00
are what can be described as the source for 'Snake Bath' from
_Kamikaze 1989_! This first section is wonderful, as it immediately
pulls me back into 1982, even though it's *not* the `82
that's
advertised! The track then segues into a little of the 'Cryo
Lab' version from the Berlin `81 Freidenskonziert, which then
morphs into
'Specific Gravity of Smile' from _Pinnacles_, with a few
additional touches here and there (if memory also serves, I seem to
recall
that they did some studio time in Australia while there...I need to
go through my print archives again!) This keeps me in the early
`80s reverie, so I'm starting to think the initial
apprehension was unwarranted. Then it changes into 'Convention of
the 24', and my
reverie is shattered. The overdubs on this section *completeley*
overwhelm the original instead of compliment it. Now I'm just
waiting for 'Mojave Plan' to start. And with an awkward edit,
it does. I know it won't be the concert version, so Im just
listening for
the overdubs-will they add or subtract from what is one of my
all-time favorite songs. I loved the versions on _Tangents_, so
I'm
hopeful that the full track will be just as fresh as they were.
Sadly, this is not the case. The treatments here are minimal (but
noticeable) in the first half and nonexistant in the second half
until the very end, which merely mirrors the deep drone that starts
the disc. Had this been what was released as _Sohoman_, I
would've been very dissapointed.
Overall, the i-Box is fairly good compilation with some fairly
evident flaws. Like _Antique Dreams_ , it just misses out on
satisfying the
listner with a *truly* definitve overview of the eras presented. But
unlike _AD_, all of the unreleased gems here, as well as the
unexpexted treasures, are worthy of inclusion. In fact, perhaps some
of the tracks here should've been included on _AD_ in place
of some of the later `80s material there. Ah, well. As long as
it's available somewhere...:)
goozer
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Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:37
pm
Subject: Merry X-mas & a happy new year
Hello everyone
Just wanted to wish you all a merry X-mas and a happy new year.
Lights and Respect
Jan
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:11
am
Subject: i-Box review
Greetings all-
Well, I've had my _i-Box_ for 2 weeks now (picked it up at RPM here in
Dallas), so I've had a chance to thoroughly soak it in. There are
a few more surprises on these discs than has been previously
mentioned by those who got it last month! Which is a good thing, as
it gives me another opportunity to join the ego-fest here!:) Now
let's get on with it, shall we?
Nice packaging with the barest miniumum of typos/grammatical errors.
Great photos in the booklet, although a few of them are
mislabeled (just one example: #61 is labelled as Lycabethus, Athens
instead of New York Avery Fisher Hall '77!) Now as to what's on
the discs, here's a quick rundown with source info after the track
times (if there is no note, then it is the original):
CD 1-
01 Alpha Centauri 3.18 (DR)
02 Fauni Gena 3.58 (DR)
03 Birth of Liquid Plejades 3.44 (DR-Edit)
04 White Clouds 4.22
05 Green Desert 5.26
06 Astral Voyager 6.11
07 Indian Summer 6.42
08 Dolphin Dance 5.02
09 Underwater Twilight 5.50
10 Coppercoast 5.17
11 The Night at Ayers Rock 3.17
12 Logos (Red Part) 6.12 (T)
13 Monolight 4.50 (T)
14 No Man's Land 7.29 (T)
CD 2-
01 Logos (Blue Part) 5.55 (T)
02 Cinnamon Road 4.15 (T)
03 Desert Dream 4.00 (T)
04 Logos (Velvet Part) 5.09 (T)
05 Hyperborea 8.38 (T)
06 Dominion 4.46 (T)
07 Monolight (Yellow Part) 7.16 (T)
08 Volcano 4.41
09 Ride on a Ray 5.14
10 Pergamon (Piano Part) 4.58 (T)
11 Tangent 5.20 (DR)
12 Central Park 3.35 (DR)
13 Barbakane (Part Two) 4.14 (DR)
CD 3-
01 Zen Garden 4.42 (DR)
02 Yellowstone Park 6.10
03 LiveMiles (Green Trail Part) 6.19 (Edit)
04 Gaudi Park 5.18
05 Alchemy of the Heart 5.47 (Edit)
06 Song of the Whale (from Dawn) 4.59 (DR)
07 Tyger (William Blake Poem) 5.32
08 Bois de Bologne 5.13
09 Poland 9.18 (DR)
10 LiveMiles (San Buena Ventura) 5.11
11 Song of the Whale (to Dusk) 5.57 (DR)
12 The Cliffs of Sydney 5.39
CD 4-
01 Warsaw in the Sun (live) 4.33 (12' Version)
02 Polish Dance (live) 5.49
03 Melrose (live) 5.43
04 Electric Lion (live) 8.11
05 Longing for Cashba 7.37 (Unreleased Live Berlin '90, studio
additions)
06 Cool at Heart (live) 6.07
07 Sun Gate (live) 4.43
08 Marakesh (live) 8.19 (Demo Version)
09 Ivory Town 4.32 (Unreleased)
10 Cat Scan (live) 5.33 (Demo Version)
11 Ghazal (live) 4.57
12 The Midnight Trail (live) 5.45
CD 5-
01 Too Hot for My Chinchilla (live) 3.45
02 Unicorn Saga (live) 3.56 (Unreleased)
03 Lily on the Beach (live) 4.14
04 Storm Seekers 5.27 (Unreleased)
05 Mount Shasta (live) 4.25
06 Exit (live) 4.32 (Unreleased Live US '86)
07 Akash Deep 7.25 (Unreleased Live US '86, studio additions)
08 Crystal Curfew (live) 5.00
09 Cool Shibuya 3.53 (Unreleased)
10 Alaskan Summer (live) 3.34
11 Long Island Sunset (live) 6.58
12 Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) 6.43
13 Iguana (live) 5.34 (Unreleased)
CD 6-
01 DreamYard (The Perth Tapes)
Part 1: Red Velvet Rooster (Unreleased)/
Part 2: Mojave Plan (Desert Version) 45.35 (Unreleased Tangents
Version)
Now for the crux of the biscuit.:) With the exceptions of
'Exit' and 'Polish Dance', *NONE* of the tracks
labeled as live actually are. They've all been 'ambience
enhanced', but that's it. Which is more than a little
bummer-for despite the opinion of some of the purists out there,
there *are* often differences in the material performed live. A few
examples- _Melrose_ as performed live had no sax; _Electic Lion_ as
performed live had no guitar; _Sungate_ as performed live had no
guitar-and all of the previous also had voicing changes to boot. It
would've been nice to hear them.
But just when I'm about to give up on the familiar titles, along
comes Disc 4 with a few 'hidden treasures'. First is
'Warsaw in the Sun'. Not the excerpt from 'Barbakane', but the
previously unreleased on official CD 12' version (and I swear I hear
vinyl noise...)! Bliss! Next is 'Marakesh'. Not the original or live
version but what has to be a *demo* version! The difference in the
sequencing and the missing voices and `polish' subtly change
the feel of this track. Cool! Now we come to 'Cat Scan'. Again, not
the original or live version but another demo version! Like
'Marakesh', this one also has voicing differences and lacks
`polish'-plus it has a cold ending. Neat! Now for the
unreleased tracks. 'Longing for Cashba' is an edit of an unreleased
Berlin `90 mainset theme with some additions (namely the
sax) to fill it out. I've always liked this theme and am glad
it's finally out in any form. 'Ivory Tower' sounds to me like a
_Miracle Mile_ outtake. This track compliments 'On the Spur of the
Moment' from that soundtrack quite nicely, I think.
Then we come to Disc 5. This is the one that was advertised as
containing most of the unreleased goodies. It doesn't dissapoint.
I've already dispensed with the 'live' business, so, moving on to
the unreleased material we find another surprise-'Unicorn Saga'!
It's not the live version (unless the performance at the Mill
Valley Film Festival was truly unique-I *still* can't believe
that there is no fan tape from this event!) from the '86 Tour, but
what instead sounds like another demo; or better still, what
should've been the end titles instead of the Brian Ferry song! In
fact, I'll bet that's just what it is. It's a really
interesting version of the theme-both wistfully triumphant and
faintly elegiac. 'Storm Seekers' is a simple yet interesting track.
The sound is late '80s with a modern wash but the feel is early
'80s-sort of a 'Stuntman 2000'! This would not be a bad fit on
_Optical Race_, in my opinion.
Then the awesome 'Akash Deep' starts. My first live TD
experience was the center of the 11th row of the Kiva Center in
Albuquerque on June 8, 1986. Of all the music performed that evening,
this piece was the one that embedded itself most deeply
into my memory of that magical evening. I basically instantly
memorized that single section-it was hard not to, actually, as it was
(for me) a total sensory overload. The music was not only heard, but
*felt* (the bass sequence and the second section drum part
resonated throughout my entire body) and seen (the searchlight
scanning the audience through the fog was mesmerising.) My
first disappointment with the band came upon the release of
_LiveMiles_ and the discovery that none of my memories, *especially*
'Akash Deep' were to be found on that LP. This belated release almost
makes up for that. It's an edited and tweaked version of the
piece (in concert it was over 14 minutes long) but wonderful to hear
nonetheless. I just wish that it was the original full version.
'Cool Shibuya' would not be out of place on _Oasis_. It has
that late `80s/early `90s feel to it-not bad. 'Iguana'
contains the chord sequence from one of the unreleased '88 Tour
themes as it's intro and outro. But the middle section is another
story! I would bet that this is a _Lily on the Beach_ outtake,
judging by the (uncredited) Jerome fret work on the first half of the
guitar part! Since Ralf Wadephul is give a co-writing credit and his
stint with the band ended not long after the '88 Tour (during writing
for _LotB_ and _Dead Solid Perfect_), I imagine that Edgar and Jerome
wrote 'Radio City' to replace it on the aforementioned disc. Parts of
it can be heard on _DSP_, however.
Disc 6. _Dream Yard-The Perth Tapes_. My hopes for the second half of
the Aussie '82 shows having already been crushed by the
early reports of the contents, I'm originally resigned to just
giving it a cursory listen. But right from the start I notice that
once again, it pays to ignore certain reviews. The very opening flute
notes are maddeningly familiar-I *think* they're from one of the
early '80s soundchecks, but I can't find the tape to be sure!
The first 8:00 are what can be described as the source for 'Snake
Bath' from _Kamikaze 1989_! This first section is wonderful, as
it immediately pulls me back into 1982, even though it's *not*
the '82 that's advertised! The track then segues into a
little of the 'Cryo Lab' version from the Berlin '81
Freidenskonziert, which then morphs into 'Specific Gravity of
Smile' from _Pinnacles_, with a few additional touches here and
there (if memory also serves, I seem to recall that they did some
studio time in Australia while there...I need to go through my print
archives again!) This keeps me in the early '80s reverie, so I'm
starting to think the initial apprehension was unwarranted. Then it
changes into 'Convention of the 24', and my reverie is
shattered. The overdubs on this section *completeley* overwhelm the
original instead of compliment it. Now I'm just waiting for
'Mojave Plan' to start. And with an awkward edit, it does. I know it
won't be the concert version, so Im just listening for the
overdubs-will they add or subtract from what is one of my all-time
favorite songs. I loved the versions on _Tangents_, so I'm
hopeful that the full track will be just as fresh as they were.
Sadly, this is not the case. The treatments here are minimal (but
noticeable) in the first half and nonexistent in the second half
until the very end, which merely mirrors the deep drone that starts
the disc. Had this been what was released as _Sohoman_, I would've
been very dissapointed.
Overall, the i-Box is fairly good compilation with some fairly
evident flaws. Like _Antique Dreams_ , it just misses out on
satisfying the listner with a *truly* definitve overview of the eras
presented. But unlike _AD_, all of the unreleased gems here, as well
as the unexpexted treasures, are worthy of inclusion. In fact,
perhaps some of the tracks here should've been included on _AD_
in place of some of the later `80s material there. Ah, well. As
long as it's available somewhere...:)
goozer
From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:13
am
Subject: Oops!
Sorry for the double post-I hit send instead of edit!
From:
Michael V Miller
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:36
am
Subject: Reims Cathedral concert
Does anybody know where I can download any sample files from the Reims
Cathedral concert. I had stumbled upon two .wav files that were about a
minute each and I just lost my HD and those files. I really liked the
sound and wanted to keep them incase I could never get the full
recordings.
Thanks
Mike
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From:
'James Williams'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:05
am
Subject: Millenium Booster Pack
Can anyone tell me what is in the pack and whether it is worth getting at $180?
I am interested in it because of The Keep. I have the 1997 release from the UK
tour and the Bootleg. Is the 1999 release much different?
Also what is the Secret Surprise?
I have to get my order in by 30th December, so Any quick answers would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks and Merry Christmas
James Williams
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From:
'James Williams'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
This isn't Good. I placed my order this morning
J.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Totta'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
> Lucky you, i still haven't heard anything
>
> Totta
>
> Vince LeGrand wrote:
>
> > I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have
shipped
> > the I-box to me. It's about time. :-)
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 6:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
I didn't want to be rude to Vince, but I guess I feel the same way, meaning
that I haven't heard nothing from them as yet either. They're probably doing
it by ordering date, with those who have waited the longest receiving
notification first.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Totta'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-Box @ CDNOW
> Lucky you, i still haven't heard anything
>
> Totta
>
> Vince LeGrand wrote:
>
> > I just received a shipping confirmation from CDnow that they have
shipped
> > the I-box to me. It's about time. :-)
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
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>
>
From:
KelvinAMunson@a...
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:08
am
Subject: OffTopic
Apologies for the off-topicness; but I am back on-line after a 5 month break,
new PC, new country (UK), new email address........
seasons greetings to all, hopefully be back in contact in the new year.
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Millenium Booster Pack
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, James Williams wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what is in the pack and whether it is worth getting at $180?
Hi!
See 'www.rutka.de/td' -> Millenium booster (left side)!
Rainer
From:
'Piotr Sulkowski II'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 1:02
pm
Subject: Christmas
Merry Christmas and for all fans many of new record Tanderine Dream
Pozdrawiam
Piotr S. Millennium from Poland
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PS. Nie zapomnij wyslac kartek na Swieta! http://kartki.interia.pl/
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 1:33
pm
Subject: Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the World.
Heiko Neumann
Burg
Germany
Please look at my new Tangerine Dream Homepage:
http://www.opticaldream.de/dream
In the next weeks you found on this side more and more picture`s.
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From:
Christian Villazn
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Merry Christmas and Happy new Year
Hello,
Merry Christmas and Happy new Year for all Td-fans, and of course for Edgar
and
Jerome Froese.
Sincerely
chrisTian
From:
'David Cotner'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:00
pm
Subject: An inter view with Brian Lustmord.
Hello to you.
Here follows a previously unpublished inter view with Brian Williams,
from the archives of:
http://www.hertz-lion.com
I shall post it on other spaces as well. The experiment, as seen
previously with the other inter views, was to give 100 modern
experimental musicians the same 20 questions - to compare and contrast
views on some prevailing issues within the field.
'Tips Zum Lustmord!'
Brian Williams (LUSTMORD / SPK / THE MURRAY FONTANA ORCHESTRA)
In what way are you your parents' child?
It would seem that I'm the result of their sperm/egg.
What aspects of structure does your music share with your upbringing?
Define structure.
Are structure and control mutually inclusive?
Define control.
Does structure become an aspect of the aesthetic itself when
composing?
Why the obsession with structure? There is no boundary.
Is it possible to create a work of art existing independently of the
aesthetic?
Does it matter?
What does the term 'power electronics' mean to you?
32' TV's, Power Tools, Macintosh computers, catering-grade
toasters.
Does that term refer to the power of electronics, the empowered, or
a third mind?
I suggest you ask the person who came up with the term.
Insofar as your music goes, why do you do what you do?
Because it is what I do, I am who I am.
Is chance as important as knowledge, in experimental music?
Knowledge is power, stagnation is uninteresting. Repetition
is mundane.
Is it important, at times, not to know what you're doing, in
experimental music?
This question is flawed.
What is your ancestry?
'Primordial Soup.'
Was your heritage crucial in bringing you to where you are now with
your music?
Negative.
Does your way of thinking about your music affect your life in
general?
The opposite.
Should art be consumptive?
Should there be art? Are you suggesting this is art?
Are people who answer questions with 'yes' or 'no' stupid, or just
plain lazy?
After thinking carefully, I'd have to say yes and no.
Does experimental music imply a separation of art and artist?
Who cares?
How has your music separated you from living life?
Life comes first, I know my priorities.
Does your music have an ending point?
Eventually.
Do you see your work continued after you have assumed room
temperature?
We're talking cold fusion here?
Who do you see today carrying the tradition of experimental music into
tomorrow?
Only the original.
Do you recommend that people listen to your music through headphones
even while engaged in the commission of the sexual act?
I don't necessarily recommend that they listen at all, the
decision is theirs.
http://www.lustmord.com
Intently,
David Cotner,
\\\
http://www.hertz-lion.com
From:
hyperborea@t...
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 5:23
pm
Subject: Happy Xmas!
Hi!
My name is Jess Glvez and I am from Spain.This is the first time what I'm
writing in this mail list of TD's fans.I like(very much) the first works of
TD:Alpha Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but Logos,Poland and
Hyperborea too!
Happy Xmas for everyone!
Greetings from Madrid
Jess Glvez
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Xmas!
At 06:23 PM 12/23/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi!
>My name is Jess Glvez and I am from Spain.This is the first time what
>I'm writing in this mail list of TD's fans.I like(very much) the first
>works of TD:Alpha Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but
>Logos,Poland and Hyperborea too!
>Happy Xmas for everyone!
>Greetings from Madrid
>Jess Glvez
Hello Jesus, welcome to the list!!! If you like TD, you've come to the
ri.......uh,
Welcome to the list anyway. :-)
Happy Holidays,
Oscar
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From:
'Steve'
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:07
pm
Subject: comforting experience
Earlier this week I had to spend a night in hospital due to a chest
infection. I had a lousy night and was slowly waking up at about nine when I
heard music I recognised: someone in a room nearby was listening to Tangram
:) Since I was discharged later the same day I didn't have time to find out
who it was.
Steve
http://www.beartrap.btinternet.co.uk/
http://www.btinternet.com/~rotties_r_us/
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Xmas!
Hello Jesus,
Welcome to the list.
>[...] I like(very much) the first works of TD:Alpha
Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but Logos,Poland and Hyperborea too!
Interesting selection of favorites. This is what I like too, but I have
to include Rubycon, Ricochet, et. al.
> Happy Xmas for everyone!
> Greetings from Madrid
> Jess Glvez
Merry Christmas to you too!
Vic
NP: Birmingham, 1975
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 12:42
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] i-Box review
Thank you Goozer for an absolutely wonderful review. I had been waiting for
a complete, in-depth review and you did not disappoint.
Have a great holiday.
Neal
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:17
am
Subject: Russian Anthology CD-ROM
Hello Guys,
If I missed this discussion, I apologize, but does anyone have any
info on this CD-ROM? Is it worth it for me to try to get it for my
collection. I suppose my few and far between $$$ could be used to get other
TD, EF, or JS releases?
Thanks guys.
Neal
--- Neal Frost
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:27
am
Subject: Season's Greetings
I'd just like to take this opportunity of wishing everyone on the List the
compliments of the season and happy TD listening -- whether to I-boxes or
simply to the many marvellous hours of music the band has given us over the
years.
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 10:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Season's Greetings
Thanks John for the well wishes and the same to you!
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Marchington'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: [tadream] Season's Greetings
> I'd just like to take this opportunity of wishing everyone on the List the
compliments of the season and happy TD listening -- whether to I-boxes or
simply to the many marvellous hours of music the band has given us over the
years.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
Jess Glvez
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 9:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 743
Hello Vic and everyone!!
>Hello Jesus,
>Welcome to the list.
Thanks for yours welcomes!
>>[...] I like(very much) the first works of TD:Alpha
Centauri,Atem,Phaedra,Zeit(is my favorite),but Logos,Poland and Hyperborea
too!
>Interesting selection of favorites. This is what I like too, but I have
to include Rubycon, Ricochet, et. al.
Ohh...Rubycon was my first work of TD,excelent,together with Optical
Race...Traumatic...
Yes,those works,until Alpha Centauri to Le Parc(1971-1985),are,for my
opinion,the TDs gold stage.After,with the entry of Hasinger,the exit of
Franke and,the entry
(Horror!!) of Jerome,the band was from bad to worse.Is a different
music,more
cool in my opinion.I hate Dream Mixes...ARGGG...but '7 letters...' is more
drinkable :))
Greetings and happy Xmas!
Jess from Hyperborea
hyperborea@t...
From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 5:39
pm
Subject: Season's Greetings
Merry Christmas and A prosperous New Year to all on this list,just
spent my first year on here it has been very interesting reading the
opinions from fans from around the world,looking forward to 2001 and
hopefully seeing TD live in London.
Cheers and best wishes to all of you.
Gary.
From:
herold.u@t...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 6:27
pm
Subject: X-MAS
Merry Christmas and a 'tangenized' Happy New Year to all TD-Fans on the list
and around the world.
Uwe Herold
Hof
Germany
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From:
Totta
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 7:20
pm
Subject: Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas everyone, and a happy new year!
Totta
From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 9:41
pm
Subject: Hello folks... remember me???
Hi gang,
Just had time to post this to the TD guestbook now:
Merry Christmas everyone...
I have been busy buying a house and starting studies again (M A in
Interactive Multimedia) so apologies for my absence here and on the TDI
list. Hopefully I can share some experiences I had at Jerome's recent
Berlin gig in the near future with you all! Have to go home for a while
first though!!!
Nollaig Shona (Happy Christmas) as we say in Ireland,
Conrad
PS I will talk to you all in 2001!!!!!!
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 9:40
pm
Subject: x-mas
To one and all on this list - Merry Christmas,
I read with great interest each post, don't agree with a lot of then, but do
discover new ways to listen to TD. Each new mailing gives me pause for
thought of this great band and its music. Hope next year brings new music
and insights to all of us.
Stay safe and warm
Regards,
DPH
From:
KelvinAMunson@a...
Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 9:20
am
Subject: Xmas Greets
Hi,
Seasons Greetings to all, I'm back on line at last, after 5 months with a
dead PC, and I'm also back in UK.
Look forward to geting back in contact with old friends in the New Year,
Kelvin
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:19
pm
Subject: Test - don't bother
Well, merry x-mas now that you read it anyway :o)
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:55
pm
Subject: Holiday greetings
Hey everyone,
here's to wishing you a happy
Christmas
Chanukah
Ramadan
Kwanzaa
etc.
and a happy (common) new year!
(there, was that all-emcompassing and politically correct enough?)
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From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 1:38
pm
Subject: I Box Review
I have just posted a review to Amazon.com, who got me the I-box in time
for Christmas.
In short, its a good buy if you dont have Tangents or Dream roots as
most of the Virgin and Pre-Virgin tracks are the tangentised versions.
The last disk is exactly like Sohoman, in that it sounds more like a
studio recreation of the concert set, in fact Mojave Plan in only very
sliightly tangentised at the beggining which is a bit of a
dissapointment. The 'live' tracks from the Private Music years are
probably not live, if they are, it doesn't matter as they sound
identical except for Marakesh which is a slightly different mix.
The bonus tracks are sparse but very good, especially Longing For Cashba
which sounds like a Melrose tour encore (a bit like Melrose Beach) and
Polish Dance. Also the 'live: version of Warsaw in the Sun seems to be
the 12' single version which is very nice.
I guess at 32 bucks its an ok deal but its not earth shattering. Since I
don't have Tangents, it's a better deal for me.
Top 5 Tangerine Dream possible fakes
5: Sohoman (But I like it anyway)
4: I - Box 6th Disc (Edgar seemed to get bored after the first few
minutes of Mojave Plan and just let the master copy over)
3: Livemiles - Live my ass, but still my favortire TD CD of all time.
2: Ricochet tv broadcast of live performance - for some reason they
considered it better to just dub the album version over the video
footage.
1: Tournado - Ok, so its technically live, but for all Ed and Jerome did
on the night they may as well have stayed in the bar all night and let
Steinberg do it's stuff.
The above opinions are exactly that and not neccersarly based on fact.
All rights reserved. Please allow 28 days for delivery. Your statutory
rights are not affected. Your home is at risk with any loan or mortgage
secured on it.
Tom (Melrose)
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From:
tweibre361@a...
Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:16
pm
Subject: Re: On those tepid LG 12'...
what sounds better: 33 or 45?
just curious,
tom w
np: U2 @ Irving Plaza last week (shit)
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box Review
I thank the folks who have posted reviews of the I-Box, but TDI won't be
happy to hear the reason why. Like many of us on the list, I ordered a copy
of the set from CD Universe back in November, only to have it go on
backorder. Two weeks after its official release date, I was still waiting
for it to be shipped. Well, after hearing about exactly what we're getting
in the I-Box, I decided to cancel my order. Yes, the price is reasonable,
but I'm still not about to shell out 35 bucks for one or two unreleased
songs. As I've argued before, this just encourages the band to keep doing
the same thing.
I have to wonder if the reason that TDI provides such scanty information
about new releases on their website if that they're afraid people wouldn't
order them?
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 12:54
am
Subject: Millenium Booster
TD's Website was updated today.
I just want to point out the following to any fans that still want to
get The Keep and the Sony Topping Out Ceremony CD.
* Last 'Millenium Booster' order will be taken on Dec. 30 2000 *
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: On those tepid LG 12'...
45 of course. the pickup (and recording stylus) passes over more space in
the same period of time, allowing for more detail to be stored on the record
in the same space of time.
Morgan
>From: tweibre361@a...
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Re: On those tepid LG 12'...
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:16:29 EST
>
>what sounds better: 33 or 45?
>
>just curious,
>
>tom w
>
>np: U2 @ Irving Plaza last week (shit)
>
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 3:15
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Millenium Booster
> TD's Website was updated today.
>
> I just want to point out the following to any fans that still want to
> get The Keep and the Sony Topping Out Ceremony CD.
>
> * Last 'Millenium Booster' order will be taken on Dec. 30 2000 *
I want to get both of these releases.....But $180.00 for 2 CDs? (I have the
Great Wall of China CD, and am not interested in a t-shirt). I guess it is
just a case of poor us, those of us with families to support.
Neal
--- Neal Frost
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:36
am
Subject: I-box from CDnow
I saw the I-box in tower records in San Francisco at Columbus and Bay for
$52+tax. I was tempted to grab it, since I had placed my order with CDNow
on 12/12 and rcvd the backorder notice, but....
My I-box arrived Saturday from CDNOW. I ordered it for US$32.88-$10
(thanks for the coupon)=$22.88 + tax + UPS ground shipping. It was sent
12/22
FED EX priority overnight with Saturday arrival and arrived 12/23.
Kudos to CDNow for the shipping upgrade and the cheap price.
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 5:29
am
Subject: 2001 Booster
But it's a copy of THE KEEP!
just got paid this Tuesday.....
Pete Isaacson
mailto:penfold@a...
aka PENFOLD
aka DJ DreamHead
Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have
the money.....damn!!!!!
From:
'Andreas Hedler'
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 11:16
am
Subject: Johannes Schmoelling: New CD & new URL!!!
Dear fans and friend!
JOHANNES SCHMOELLING has just released his new CD 'White Out
(edition 2000)' on his new launched label VIKTORIAPARK!
Please check our website at its new URL
http://www.johannesschmoelling.de
for details how to order your own copy of WHITE OUT.
We wish you a very happy new year!
Johannes Schmoelling
Andreas Hedler (webmaster of The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING
Website)
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:47
pm
Subject: Re: I Box Review
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Sean Montgomery wrote:
> I thank the folks who have posted reviews of the I-Box, but TDI
> won't be happy to hear the reason why. Like many of us on the
> list, I ordered a copy of the set from CD Universe back in
> November, only to have it go on backorder. Two weeks after its
> official release date, I was still waiting for it to be shipped.
> Well, after hearing about exactly what we're getting in the I-Box,
> I decided to cancel my order. Yes, the price is reasonable, but
> I'm still not about to shell out 35 bucks for one or two unreleased
> songs. As I've argued before, this just encourages the band to
> keep doing the same thing.
>
> I have to wonder if the reason that TDI provides such scanty
> information about new releases on their website if that they're
> afraid people wouldn't order them?
Well, Sean, I think you're being more than a little unfair here. If
you look again at the contents as listed in my review, you'll find 7
totally unreleased tracks ('Longing for Cashba', 'Ivory Town',
'Unicorn Saga', 'Storm Seekers', 'Akash Deep', 'Cool Shibuya',
'Iguana' TT-34:24) plus 5 surprises ('Warsaw in the Sun' 12' version,
'Marakesh' demo, 'Cat Scan' demo, 'Exit Live' a.k.a. 'Pilots of
Purple Twilight' and 'Red Velvet Rooster' pt.1 a.k.a. 'Snake Bath
Source' TT-30:57), so that's a total of 12 tracks clocking in at
65:21 (well...13 tracks at 74:58 if you include the 'Cryo Lab'/
'Specific Gravity of Smile' part from 'Red Velvet Rooster'.)
To use an appropriate analogy, how many import CDs have you ordered
with a similar content (13 tracks/74 mins.) for roughly the same
price? I know i have numerous times! And it was usually just to get
*1* bonus track! Add the booklet and the equivalent of 5 bonus
compilation CDs...now how much would you have had to pay? :)
Now, if you were cancelling due to the nature of the *music itself*,
that would be different. And for some of you who rail against TDI
'business practices', perhaps a little more honest?
goozer
From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 8:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: I Box Review
Thankyou Hermes, I've been torturing myself for hours as to where I've
heard that drippy droppy sequence at the beggining of Red Velvet
Rooster, I went through every TD release in my mind and didn't even
consider Froese solo stuff.
i also agree, I think the I-Box is a good deal, it's just not as good a
deal as it is perhaps made out to be.
Tom (Melrose)
n.p. Longing for Cashba (Killer track!)
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 10:00
pm
Subject: The next discussions
Hey folks,
I know the holidays are consuming people's time. I was wondering if the
Solo vs. Bootleg debate had been decided for the next string of discussions.
Of course I'm a fan of concert recordings but the solo efforts of Edgar and
co. are worth discussion too.
-Morgan
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: I Box Review
Hermes Guzman wrote:
> Well, Sean, I think you're being more than a little unfair here.
Perhaps.... And I know there are more than 'two or three' unreleased
tracks on the I-Box. I just meant that only a couple of them sound
really good. I find that to be irritating. So I decided to save my
money for the time being.
> To use an appropriate analogy, how many import CDs have you ordered
> with a similar content (13 tracks/74 mins.) for roughly the same
> price?
I refuse to pay obscene prices for import CDs (I don't collect CDs by
obscure european e-music artists). The one time I allowed myself to get
raped like that was when I ordered Transsiberia and the Hollywood Years
collections from Voiceprint. I bought those albums just because that
were by TD, and I found all three to be relentlessly mediocre. That
event marked the beginning of my beef with TDI.
> Now, if you were cancelling due to the nature of the *music itself*,
> that would be different.
Actually, in the end, that *is* why I cancelled. I suppose you can blame
Napster for this, but I no longer want to drop 30 or 40 bucks on music
that I will hardly listen to - or that I already have! And that, I fear,
is what would happen with the I-Box. I reached a point a couple of years
ago when I decided that I did not have to have *everything* that TD
produced. I just wasn't listening to much of it. I guess I'm just not a
hardcore fan of the band anymore, and I know I do more complaining than
praising on this list. I guess I continue to hold out hope that Dream
Mixes 3 will be kick-ass. If it's not, I may find myself unsubscribing.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 2:22
pm
Subject: US Tour?
I checked TD's web site, but no mention of a possible tour. They don't even
have a regular 'news' area anymore, just an area for TDI news. What gives?
Scott
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From:
Scribe1964@a...
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 5:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] US Tour?
Where did you hear about a US tour? If they're coming, I'll be there!
--Ric
> I checked TD's web site, but no mention of a possible tour. They don't even
> have a regular 'news' area anymore, just an area for TDI news. What gives?
>
> Scott
From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 11:57
am
Subject: Happy new Year
Hi all,
A HAPPY NEW YEAR
all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world.
Dream on
Heiko Neumann
Markt 13
39288 Burg
Germany
www.opticaldream.de/dream
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:14
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Happy new Year
And a happy new year to you too, Heiko
Best wishes and hope to see some new GREAT TD releases next year :o)
Poul
> Hi all,
>
> A HAPPY NEW YEAR
>
> all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world.
>
> Dream on
>
> Heiko Neumann
> Markt 13
> 39288 Burg
> Germany
> www.opticaldream.de/dream
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:48
pm
Subject: really interesting ;-) homepage update
Hi all,
before/while/after you hopefully will have a lot of fun in the
last night of the year, it might be worth to visit my homepage.
http://www.caby.de/Music
Just some of the updates done:
Lists: new swaplist.txt and newstuff.txt
Links: updated and verified all the links on my links page, added
a good 12 new ones. I found the pages of Morten Moen, Jens
Peschke, Francisco Salgado and Glyn Morton to be gone. If
anyone knows their new URLs, please let me know. Also, if
you run a TD-related page not yet linked from mine, please
let me know about it.
Rarity: my infamous 'TD related rarity of the month' is now moved
to it's own page. This time it's a real gem: the edited
version of Desert Train from the ultra-rare CD promo single.
http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity
Auction: on the same page, you'll find auctions of rarities from
my lists. This time (open till Jan. 8) it's the Klem CD 2,
the Korg promo CD, the Oasis video, Electronic Orgy and,
lo and behold, a copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Screw
ebay's fees! No whining if you pass this opportunity ;-)
have fun,
cheers,
klaus
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:27
pm
Subject: Happy New Year
Happy New Year everyone. I hope the band tours and that we all get to see
them, wherever we are on the globe.
David
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From:
'kayleigh'
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:58
pm
Subject: US TOUR - I'm THERE
Hey there all. If there EVER IS mention of a US TOUR, I'd hope and pray that
it'd be mentioned here as well as obviously on the official site (myself
included, found no mention whatsoever), AND I'd asked in the past, and was
told that the last time they'd toured in the US was somewhere around 92, so
it's been awhile?
JUST curious if TD was to play live gigs here, what size venue would they
play/perform in? I have NO CLUE as to what type of fan base they have in the
US at all, so wasn't sure if they could do large venues, or smaller
theatres, or what they'd WANT to do?
dan
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From:
'Rimas Lazutka'
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:29
pm
Subject: [tadream] Happy New Year
On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the glasses of
Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the colars of
Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs, flowers - esp.
lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides, thieving eagles and
goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the Tyrrany of 2001...
Happy N.Y.!
Kind Regards, Rimuckas
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 9:58
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Happy New Year
Good one :o)
And we'll be watching the great wall of china from the polars of mars :o)
Cheers and happy new year
Poul
> On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the glasses of
Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the colars of
Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs, flowers - esp.
lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides, thieving eagles and
goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the Tyrrany of 2001...
> Happy N.Y.!
>
> Kind Regards, Rimuckas
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy New Year
At 0012.30-12:29, Rimas Lazutka wrote:
> On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the
> glasses of Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the
> colars of Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs,
> flowers - esp. lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides,
> thieving eagles and goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the
> Tyrrany of 2001...
This is getting TD-ious
Pete Isaacson
mailto:penfold@a...
aka PENFOLD
aka DJ DreamHead
Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have
the money.....damn!!!!!
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 9:24
am
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Happy New Year
Now, now lads ! Let's not get carried away here and let things get off at all
Tangents. Let's have an encore and hope it's not hyperbori(a)ng :o)
Poul
- this is getting rather funny - :o)
> At 0012.30-12:29, Rimas Lazutka wrote:
> > On the night of the 10,000,000 eveningstars we'll be holding the
> > glasses of Tangerine syrup and wearing spectacular Dream-coats with the
> > colars of Chinchillas, talking about Underwater creatures, musical parcs,
> > flowers - esp. lilies, geology - esp. canyons, meteorology - esp. tides,
> > thieving eagles and goblins with ti(y)gers... We'll surrender to the
> > Tyrrany of 2001...
>
>
> This is getting TD-ious
>
>
>
> Pete Isaacson
> mailto:penfold@a...
> aka PENFOLD
> aka DJ DreamHead
> Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have
> the money.....damn!!!!!
From:
'James Williams'
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 11:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] I-box from CDnow
I ordered mine from CDnow on the 12/22 (though i missed the $10 coupon).
Including UPS delivery to the UK it was 12GBP cheaper than it is over here.
It was dispatched on 12/26 and arrived in the UK at my door on 12/28 with a
bill for 17GBP from Customs & Excise for import duty. Great. It has now cost
me 6GBP more than it would have been to get it here.
James
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To: ;
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 7:36 AM
Subject: [tadream] I-box from CDnow
> I saw the I-box in tower records in San Francisco at Columbus and Bay for
> $52+tax. I was tempted to grab it, since I had placed my order with CDNow
> on 12/12 and rcvd the backorder notice, but....
>
> My I-box arrived Saturday from CDNOW. I ordered it for US$32.88-$10
> (thanks for the coupon)=$22.88 + tax + UPS ground shipping. It was sent
> 12/22
> FED EX priority overnight with Saturday arrival and arrived 12/23.
>
> Kudos to CDNow for the shipping upgrade and the cheap price.
>
>
>
> --teiwaz
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From:
horrod6
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 12:24
pm
Subject: Happy New Year
Just a quick note to wish you all a happy New Year, and all the best in
the _real_ new millenium. (OK, so I'm a pedant - I won't deny it!)
LnH
Marion
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:33
pm
Subject: KS's Dig It 'lyrics'
Hello everyone,
does anyone know what is said in KS's Dig It first track, Death Of An Analogue?
All I can understand is 'it's all dig-i-tal, it's all right' and maybe some
other things.
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 6:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Xmas Greets
Welcome back to the land of the living PC. I know how you feel. Mine
went dead for a week from 22 12 00. Very frustrating when trying to keep
in touch with family in the US.
Got my connectors fixed. I kept thinking of all those messages from the
lists I would receive when back on line. Just another 300 to read!
Happy New Year.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 9:20 AM
Subject: [tadream] Xmas Greets
> Hi,
>
> Seasons Greetings to all, I'm back on line at last, after 5 months with a
> dead PC, and I'm also back in UK.
>
> Look forward to geting back in contact with old friends in the New Year,
> Kelvin
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 6:44
pm
Subject: off topic - Poland
Can anyone in Poland tell me if the address I am trying to contact is correct.
I am trying to contact a friend at an educational institution. I have
@ak.poznan.pl and it bounces back. Does anyone know if the address is correct?
Sorry for the off topic. Thanks for any replies.
David
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Xmas Greets
Make it 301, David 8-) Best wishes to everyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Foster'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Xmas Greets
> Welcome back to the land of the living PC. I know how you feel. Mine
> went dead for a week from 22 12 00. Very frustrating when trying to keep
> in touch with family in the US.
>
> Got my connectors fixed. I kept thinking of all those messages from the
> lists I would receive when back on line. Just another 300 to read!
> Happy New Year.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 9:20 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Xmas Greets
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Seasons Greetings to all, I'm back on line at last, after 5 months with
a
> > dead PC, and I'm also back in UK.
> >
> > Look forward to geting back in contact with old friends in the New Year,
> > Kelvin
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jan 1, 2001 5:00
pm
Subject: new music
Hello everyone,
There's new music available at http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br . Notice the address
change. It's three more 2:48, 1.25 Mb samples from the now finished first disc
of Space Adventure.
All I ask is feedback from those who hear them.
Enjoy!
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
From:
'Todd Tornow'
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:33
am
Subject: Happy New Year!
Happy new year!
May the next year bring you abundant and overflowing blessings!
Todd and Julie Tornow and Family
P.S.: Is this the year that they find that rectangular black thingy on the
moon and they send a manned mission to Jupiter?
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Mon Jan 1, 2001 6:03
pm
Subject: Message to all regarding the CDR project
Hi Everyone
Hope you all recovered from the New Year (Millennium) festivities.
I received an email from Yannick Edom regarding the CDR project. I
suspect that all of those musicians involved will get an email as soon
as the project is ready for release.
Enjoy:
The project is called 'Dreamwatchers' Tales'
Here are the final track list :
- opening (atmospheric track by Darklion with samples of each track from the
project)
- Nightbirds 'Morning Weather' (live Cap d'Agde - France)
- Brian Frick 'Sequential'
- Dave Brewer 'December Afternoon'
- Free System Project 'Faraday'
- Darklion 'Desert Line' (dreamlist part)
- Dream Conspiracy 'Dysfunction' (excerpt)
- Doktor Strange 'Red Ants Love Migration Freq'
- Dweller at the Threshold 'World without End'
- Ephemeris 'Astronautilus'
- Fred Yargui 'Sirius Suite'
- Gustavo Jobim 'Morsecode (excerpt)
- Ionic 'From Gulf to Gulf'
- Jeff Bergman 'An Intense and Intimate Journey into Yourn Mind'
- John Gentile 'Liquid Quarts'
- Nemesis 'Moontrigger'
- Olivier Briand 'Transparences'
- Olyam 'Asterope I'
- Richard Ford 'Another Day'
- Satsuma Nightmare 'Grating Lobes'
- Two are One 'Love of Life'
- Darklion & Olyam 'Bubble Bells'
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
Here are the credits
The Dreamwatchers' Tales
Original Idea : Joel Mullen
Project Management : Yannick Edom
Management Assistants : Ocane and Marine Brenan
Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
All Artworks : Yannick Edom
Visual Concept and Sleeve Design : Darklion
Inner sleeve texts by Darklion, Ocane Brenan and Marine Brenan
Mastering, Processing and Cover Design at Studio Mirage Crations - Toulouse
France
Mirage Crations
Yannick Edom
Champlain B7 A101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 Toulouse
France
e-mails : darklion@h... or yannick.edom@s...
This Project is produced by the Tadream Mailing List members and distributed
as a tree system by Joe Shoults and Tom Richmond.
P 2001 TML Music C 2001 Mirage Crations
Many Thanks to Joel Mullen, Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Ocane and Marine
Brenan, Yannick Edom, every musicians of this project (without them there is
no CD) and all friends from tadream@egroups.com tangerinedream@egroups.com
and goblinsclub@egroups.com
Very special thanks to Tangerine Dream (all line-ups) for the fabulous music
from 1967 'till now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
here is the intriduction text included in the booklet
>From Dream to Reality
After a few years of existence, it appears that the tadream (and
tangerinedream) list contains some musicians.
So Joel Mullen, who manages one of these lists, naturally proposed to create
a CDR containing music by the list members. As he couldn't managed the
project, I decided to continue the adventure.
More a musicians gathering than a Tangerine Dream tribute, the project is
now a reality as a lot of members spontaneously answered for their
contribution.
You will discover the hidden gifts of these musicians who can express their
musical feelings through their works.
Whatever the influence, music is the inner crying of the heart.
Enjoy
Darklion
--
Richard
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From:
'Piotr Sulkowski II'
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2001 11:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic - Poland
Hi David,
Taste @ac.poznan.pl
Piotr S. Millennium
> Can anyone in Poland tell me if the address I am trying to contact is
correct. I am trying to contact a friend at an educational institution.
I have @ak.poznan.pl and it bounces back. Does anyone know if the address
is correct?
>
> Sorry for the off topic. Thanks for any replies.
>
> David
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INTERIA.PL prezentuje Pierwszy Internetowy Plebiscyt Sportowy
Zaglosuj i wygraj! http://sport.interia.pl/id/stat/plebiscyt
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 10:44
am
Subject: rarities auction
Oooops... almost 100 visitors and not a single bid on my auction at
http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity
Please, be so kind and let me know what I'm doing wrong,
so that I can make you a better offer on the next run.
There is a feedback link on the page now. Thanks a lot !
Possible reasons I can think of would be:
not interested in buying rarities at all ?
not interested in the items offered ?
don't like the auction rules or the fact that this is not ebay ?
minimum bids too high ?
As in incentive to re-visit the page I have lowered all the
minimum bids !
cheers,
klaus
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From:
gmroger@p...
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2001 8:44
pm
Subject: New e-mail address
Hello everybody!
I'm finally back from my Yahoo! isolation - with a new e-mail
address. After the past few weeks of having to endure an eternity in
opening up my e-mail at home, I've now had to resort to getting an
e-mail address from a Polish server.
My e-mail address is: gmroger@p...
What goodies have I missed? Is TD touring? Are they planning any
European concerts - UK, Poland maybe?
Hopefully in a week or two I can get back to the attention of the
Eddie & Jerry top ten, including about three more charts I've
received through my last e-mail address (which I will attempt to
access this weekend).
I hope everyone had a great Christmas and a happy new year.
Oh - and the wife didn't buy me any CD's of any description, let
alone stuff by TD. (She did buy me a nice camera, though.)
Incidentally, for any Polish fans in Krakw - there is a CD shop on
Ulica Szpitalna (just off the Rynek) called 'Rock-Serwis'. Amongst
others, it appears to stock all the TDI releases up to and including
'Seven Letters From Tibet', so if you're struggling to get hold of
current TD CD's, it's a good place to try.
Well, I'm back on the radio next week. I haven't heard the latest
regards the Real Player upgrade yet (sorry, Richard)...
Regards
Roger Hartopp
--
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From:
'kayleigh'
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2001 3:57
am
Subject: IcQ
Hey there all. SORRY for the bulk mails, but since I only use ICQ for a few
select people, and everyone else is on AOL IM, for those of you that DO send me
IcQ notes regularly, please e-mail me off the lists, and send me your IcQ
information again.
I've had to re-install IcQ, and typically when that happens, everything is
lost, so thanks for understanding.
love and all those warm fuzzies and sending me IcQ numbers. I don't have any of
them, AND this time gonna actually write them DOWN!
dan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
gmroger@p...
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:25
pm
Subject: Change of e-mail address
Just to let you know that my patience finally ran out with Yahoo!
and I now have a new e-mail address:
gmroger@p...
Now, I'm still trying to get hold of the last ten or so digests -
starting with everone's first reports of the 'electrobeats' show.
I notice there was talk of a possible tour in the US...
What about the UK? or even here in Poland?
Regards
Roger Hartopp
(Maybe some kind soul could send me those missing digests?
Even opening up 'egroups' is as equally difficult as 'Yahoo'...)
--
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 4:11
pm
Subject: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night
I'm just listening to a rather bad sounding CDR version of Peter
Baumann's 'Strangers in the night' album from 1983 whis was obviously
from vinyl source (especially 'Be mine' sounds horrible)
Question: has 'Strangers in the night' ever been released as an official
CD version? Or is there anyone on the list who has a spare vinyl copy
for me or who would sell it to me? Please contact me off-list... (I
would also be veeery interested in obtaining an original CD copy of
'Trans harmonic nights' ;-)
Heiko
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From:
Bill Frederick
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 4:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night
I'm just listening to a rather bad sounding CDR version of Peter
Baumann's 'Strangers in the night' album from 1983 whis was obviously
from vinyl source (especially 'Be mine' sounds horrible)
Question: has 'Strangers in the night' ever been released as an official
CD version? Or is there anyone on the list who has a spare vinyl copy
for me or who would sell it to me? Please contact me off-list... (I
would also be veeery interested in obtaining an original CD copy of
'Trans harmonic nights' ;-)
Heiko
Sorry for riding another's coattails, but I have
been looking for copies of Romance 76 and Edgar's
Ypsilon In Malaysian Pale on cd for ages now.
Can anyone help?! Please.
b2
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 9:18
pm
Subject: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht
Hello all German speakers,
could you tell what the track names from KS's Irrlicht mean?
For those who have forgotten, the names are:
Satz Ebene
Satz Gewintter
Satz Exil Sils Maria
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 8:54
pm
Subject: Epsilon in Malaysian pale.
If you are in the UK, Adrians records in Wickford, Essex had a copy last
time I was there about 6 months ago. Didn't see Romance 76 but they also had
Aqua.
=========
Sorry for riding another's coattails, but I have
been looking for copies of Romance 76 and Edgar's
Ypsilon In Malaysian Pale on cd for ages now.
Can anyone help?! Please.
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 8:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night
Sorry to say but that album was shite. You can have my vinyl copy. Send me
your address and keep on me as it is in the loft and I have to remember to
go up and get it.
Phil.
From:
Bill Frederick
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 10:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian pale.
If you are in the UK, Adrians records in Wickford, Essex had a copy last
time I was there about 6 months ago. Didn't see Romance 76 but they also had
Aqua.
=========
Thanks for the help, but I'm a Yank.
Anyone in the USA want to part with Romance 76?
Thanks for the help everybody.
b2
From:
Richard
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 6:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New e-mail address
>Well, I'm back on the radio next week. I haven't heard the latest
>regards the Real Player upgrade yet (sorry, Richard)...
Glad to see you back. I can only hope the Real Player situation is
resolved soon.
All the best
--
Richard
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 12:00
pm
Subject: TD guestbook
I tried to surf onto the TD guestbook site but it didn't work ('Server
Error')
Come on you nasty people, did you say something mean again? ;-))
Heiko
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:36
pm
Subject: Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht
> From: Gustavo Jobim
> Subject: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht
>
> Hello all German speakers,
>
> could you tell what the track names from KS's Irrlicht mean?
>
> For those who have forgotten, the names are:
>
> Satz Ebene
> Satz Gewintter
> Satz Exil Sils Maria
'Satz' means 'set' (of a classical composition)
Ebene: plainland
Gewitter: thunderstorm
Exil Sils Maria: Exil: normally a place abroad to flee to,
here: a quiet place to find rest
Sils Maria: a hidden, but famous place in the Swiss
mountains where people like the
philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche
(aha! another KS track...!!!) found
peace for their minds (and still do
so today)
Greetings,
Peter
np: KS 'Ballett 3 - My Ty She' from the 'Contemporay' box
From:
AirWave
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 1:27
pm
Subject: RE: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht
Gustavo wrote :
> could you tell what the track names from KS's Irrlicht mean?
Irrlicht means Will-o'-the-wisp
> For those who have forgotten, the names are:
For the titles below 'Satz' means 'Movement' as in 1st Movement, 2nd
Movement etc. in musical terms.
> Satz Ebene
Ebene can mean different things. Plain (as a plain), area, level
(as negotiations on highest level).
Translation therefore is difficult. My guess would be
Movement : Plain.
> Satz Gewintter
Satz: Gewitter / Energy Rise - Energy Collapse
That's the full title.
Movement : Storm / Energy Rise - Energy Collapse
> Satz Exil Sils Maria
If I remember my Latin correctly this means
Movement : Exile Without Maria
As for your earlier question on the lyrics on Death Of An
Analogue (album Dig It) here's what KS / KDM has to say about it.
The lyrics are not important. It was the sound of the vocoder
that KS wanted. Not any message put in words. There are no
printed 'lyrics' for the track, and copyright-wise the track
only contains 'vocalise' (= a wordless vocal exercise, sung to
one or more vowels).
One fan has listened very carefully and come up with the
few words that are understandable. Many more words are said
before and after, but those are neighter remembered or understandable.
...the song ...the sound....
Analogue is dead
Digital is an automat
One bit for you
One byte for me *
...what is like...
...it's alright
* 'One byte' is a pun. KS also means : 'One bite...'.
===========================================
\\ //\\ // AirWave Music
\\ //==\\ // airwave@a...
\\// \\// http: (working on it)
===========================================
From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 6:47
pm
Subject: Re: TD guestbook
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Heiko Heerssen
HI Heiko seems to be working ok at the moment I have noticed in
recent weeks all messages have been kind to TD for once.
Cheers Gary.
wrote:
> I tried to surf onto the TD guestbook site but it didn't work
('Server
> Error')
> Come on you nasty people, did you say something mean again? ;-))
>
> Heiko
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
What bands do you get who play in Utah?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Bennett Cookson
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
> > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-)
>
> You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started.
> I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in
> 'London, New York, or wherever'
> How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York...
>
> --Bennett
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:28
pm
Subject: Dante's trilogy
I noticed in some old post a reference to Dante's trilogy. I might have been
asleep. What is that about? Thanks in advance for telling me.
David
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From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 7:43
pm
Subject: change of e mail address
Hi,
Please be advised that my old e mail address of
Nick.Adams@e... has ceased to exist, my new e mail address
nicad@n... is effective immediately. Apologies if you get
this message more than once.
Regards
Nick
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 5:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
Well, I got to see Yanni there. :-D
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Foster'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
> What bands do you get who play in Utah?
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bennett Cookson
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
>
>
> > > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-)
> >
> > You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started.
> > I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in
> > 'London, New York, or wherever'
> > How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York...
> >
> > --Bennett
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 3:36
pm
Subject: re: What bands do you get who play in Utah?
>What bands do you get who play in Utah?
two years ago in salt lake city I know that phish played live the entire
pink floyd dark side of the moon album.
--teiwaz
np TD 23.10.75 Croydon
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 6:13
pm
Subject: New E-mail Address
Hi All,
My ar402004@b... e-mail account will expire soon, so
please send e-mails to me at scfeldman@j... from now on. Thank you.
MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films,
SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream,
MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature,
EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues.
From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 7:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Strangers in the night
heiko,
i have a spare mint vinyl copy. maybe you will find one in Germany. if not,
let me know.
tom
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 9:53
pm
Subject: Oh god, it's slow in another way...
Hmmm, it seems any messages I write through my new server takes a few
hours to get there. Therefore, my news about the programme line-up
on 'Astral Voyager' is going to appear after the show goes on well.
Might be just as well. I'm not on form today...
Roger Hartopp (writing through egroups on the Radio Rak computer)
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From:
'Patrik .'
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 12:00
pm
Subject: [tadream] Berlin
Maybe OT, maybe not:
I visited Bear City last week, Berlin that is, and we started off by taking
a walk through Tiergarten and ended up at Brandenburger Tor, then Bahnhof
Tiergarten, (Exit-cd pic in the folder; three guys in the freezing cold.) I
just wanted to visit more or less TD-influenced places yknow!
Also I saw Sony Center which was just awesome, real heavy architechture!
Futuristic!
Then via Potsdamer Platz to Kthener Strasse 38.
So whats so special with Kthener Strasse 38? Well on the 4:th floor you
have a sign that says: Hansa Tonstudios Berlin.
Yeah! Force Majeur was recorded here as you all know and the mixing of
Tangram, Hansa Studio or The Legend Lives On...for me it was a nice
experience just to take the elevator knowing that TD, Bowie and many more
probably have done the same short trip to the 4:th floor! :-)
Btw at a giant record store: World of Music I asked a young lady *s* if they
had any records by Johannes Schmoelling. 'Johannes who?' She replied and
looked like a human question mark. 'Can you spell the last name again,
please?' So I did....and then she asked me what kind of music it was, I
mentioned Tangerine Dream, and then she looked like an even bigger question
mark.....'Tangerine what?'
Man, this was Berlin...and I just mumbled to her, 'ok Ill check in the
'Instrumental New Age' shelf' (I hate that cathegory) but no Johannes, I
took a look at the I-box, but I dont need to hear everything one more time,
endless repetitons...so I walked out and took a stroll to the former Palast
Der Republik and imagined all the people standing in line for the White
Clothes Event! Although thinking to myself that TD must live a quiet
anonymous life in Berlin.
----------
Just some reflections from a very cold and snowy Berlin.
np: Pergamon, Tangram, Force Majeur and Poland. (just where I always seem to
end up!)
Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden
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From:
Richard
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2001 10:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Oh god, it's slow in another way...
In message <935fou+enup@e...>, Roger Hartopp
writes
>Hmmm, it seems any messages I write through my new server takes a few
>hours to get there. Therefore, my news about the programme line-up
>on 'Astral Voyager' is going to appear after the show goes on well.
>
>Might be just as well. I'm not on form today...
>
>Roger Hartopp (writing through egroups on the Radio Rak computer)
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From:
Airwave
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 1:07
am
Subject: Re: tracknames in KS's Irrlicht
Peter Stoeferle wrote:
> Exil Sils Maria: Exil: normally a place abroad to flee to,
> here: a quiet place to find rest
> Sils Maria: a hidden, but famous place in the Swiss
Yes that's true. And with Schulze's facination with Nietzsche
I think this is the right answer.
Also I came up with this quote today:
Sils Maria, 6000 Fuss ber dem Meer und
viel hher ber allen menschlichen Dingen
F. Nietzsche, Aug 1881
Loosely translated.
Sils Maria, 6000 feet above the sea and
far above all human things.
AirWave.
From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah
Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra
Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers
Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers
Yeee Haaa Strings
and lets not forget....
Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet
and that's just this months entertainment :)
--
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:24:15 David Foster wrote:
>What bands do you get who play in Utah?
>
>David
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bennett Cookson
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
>
>
>> > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-)
>>
>> You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started.
>> I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in
>> 'London, New York, or wherever'
>> How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York...
>>
>> --Bennett
>>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 6:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah
Sounds like you're still an avid fan of these guys, following their every
whereabouts and all. How many CD's do you now have of theirs? Any bootlegs
or chance of tearing one of your duplicate copies away from you? If my
memory serves me right, I think they're actually from Tennessee and that
Billy Bob and Sally Mae are actually kin folk, somehow related anyways.
Please confirm this, Tom. Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers, isn't that the group
with that pigmy yodeler that you liked listening to so much or is that
another group? Too bad your neighbors make you turn your stereo down. Good
shit , I'm sure though, Tom. 8-)
Would you please be so kind to direct some of us to their web pages too.
Thanks in advance.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tom george'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah
> Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra
> Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers
> Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers
> Yeee Haaa Strings
> and lets not forget....
> Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet
>
> and that's just this months entertainment :)
> --
>
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:24:15 David Foster wrote:
> >What bands do you get who play in Utah?
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bennett Cookson
> >To:
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:56 PM
> >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD on Electrobeats
> >
> >
> >> > Antonio Nunes: No, but you will understand the music :-)
> >>
> >> You are absolutely right, I felt at home once the music started.
> >> I also heard Edgar mention in English that he hoped to see us live in
> >> 'London, New York, or wherever'
> >> How about Utah? Ok, I'll travel to New York...
> >>
> >> --Bennett
> >>
> >>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 6:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah
watch out Frank,
you don't want me to start listing your Idaho favorites now do you? and we
sure don't want to start going into the Tenn. jokes. you know like;
have you ever been accused of lying through your front
tooth? or talk about marrying your cousin Ida Mae. believe me. i just live
here. i wasn't born here and i don't go with the territory. but if you really
want some good stuff i was thinking of buying a rewritable. so just send me
your old TD bootlegs like '3 Tier Dream' and 'Phaedream' and i'll record over
them with the likes of:
the Tennessee Mudhens play 'Gitchie Goo with your
cousin Sue'
or The Redbelly Sapsuckers play 'Pull My Finger'
and if your really nice i'll even give you:
the Hillbilly Cornsuckers playing the classic 'Smell my Feet, What ar' we goin'
to Eat'
'
tom
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:21:37 Frank Arellano wrote:
> Sounds like you're still an avid fan of these guys, following their every
>whereabouts and all. How many CD's do you now have of theirs? Any bootlegs
>or chance of tearing one of your duplicate copies away from you? .
>
>
>> Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra
>> Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers
>> Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers
>> Yeee Haaa Strings
>> and lets not forget....
>> Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet
>>
>> and that's just this months entertainment :)
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 8:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah
< I'll record over them with the likes of the Tennessee Mudhens, the
Redbelly Sapsuckers, and the Hillbilly Cornsuckers. > I just knew you
were a die hard collector of theirs :-) You've probably even spent a small
fortune amassing theirs works :-) I'll talk to you later Thomas, my best
and only friend. :-) I gotta go earn a living.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tom george'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Utah
> watch out Frank,
> you don't want me to start listing your Idaho favorites now do you? and
we sure don't want to start going into the Tenn. jokes. you know like;
> have you ever been accused of lying through your front
> tooth? or talk about marrying your cousin Ida Mae. believe me. i just live
here. i wasn't born here and i don't go with the territory. but if you
really want some good stuff i was thinking of buying a rewritable. so just
send me your old TD bootlegs like '3 Tier Dream' and 'Phaedream' and i'll
record over them with the likes of:
>
> the Tennessee Mudhens play 'Gitchie Goo with your
> cousin Sue'
>
> or The Redbelly Sapsuckers play 'Pull My Finger'
>
> and if your really nice i'll even give you:
>
> the Hillbilly Cornsuckers playing the classic 'Smell my Feet, What ar' we
goin' to Eat'
> '
> tom
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:21:37 Frank Arellano wrote:
> > Sounds like you're still an avid fan of these guys, following their
every
> >whereabouts and all. How many CD's do you now have of theirs? Any
bootlegs
> >or chance of tearing one of your duplicate copies away from you? .
> >
> >
> >> Buffalo Barnyard Orkestra
> >> Beefy Bill's Chipthrowers
> >> Sally Mae Horseshoe & The Muckrakers
> >> Yeee Haaa Strings
> >> and lets not forget....
> >> Billy Bob & Henriette June Wingnut Quartet
> >>
> >> and that's just this months entertainment :)
>
>
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 9:56
pm
Subject: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event.
I so far have about 20 people interested in participating, but I only
have 16 places for the cottages. Those that have paid (the performers
are exempt) are guaranteed a spot in the cottage. If you come late, you
can always plan to camp next to us in a tent or RV...
This will be an origianl EM session that will feature:
Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands)
Dave Brewer (from Arizona)
Air Sculpture (from England)
And I'm sure another EM Swamp CD will come from these sessions.
I invite all attendees to join me in my home for a kick-off party and a
caravan down to the Swamp (April 20-24, 2001) - Party starts 4/19/01.
Vic
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 9:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling: New CD & new URL!!!
Hi Andreas!
I sent payment for 2 CDs today!
Thank you Johannes :-)!
Vic Rek
Andreas Hedler wrote:
>
> Dear fans and friend!
>
> JOHANNES SCHMOELLING has just released his new CD 'White Out
> (edition 2000)' on his new launched label VIKTORIAPARK!
>
> Please check our website at its new URL
> http://www.johannesschmoelling.de
> for details how to order your own copy of WHITE OUT.
>
> We wish you a very happy new year!
>
> Johannes Schmoelling
> Andreas Hedler (webmaster of The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING
> Website)
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From:
'Derek '
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 10:00
pm
Subject: i - Box
I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest
wait or are others out there still waiting?
Derek
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 2:13
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie
oh that one. Anywon can helps me out?
Neal
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Rek
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: 1/6/01 4:42:12 PM
Subject: [tadream] So Who's Coming to
Okefenokee?
It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event.
I so far have about 20 people interested in participating, but I only
have 16 places for the cottages. Those that have paid (the performers
are exempt) are guaranteed a spot in the cottage. If you come late,
you
can always plan to camp next to us in a tent or RV...
This will be an origianl EM session that will feature:
Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands)
Dave Brewer (from Arizona)
Air Sculpture (from England)
And I'm sure another EM Swamp CD will come from these sessions.
I invite all attendees to join me in my home for a kick-off party and
a
caravan down to the Swamp (April 20-24, 2001) - Party starts 4/19/01.
Vic
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'John Marchington'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] i - Box
I received notification from CDNOW on 24 December that my copy of I-Box had
been dispatched. However I don't expect to receive it till either late this
month or early in February.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Derek '
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:00 AM
Subject: [tadream] i - Box
> I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest
> wait or are others out there still waiting?
> Derek
>
>
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2001 10:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0500 Vic Rek writes:
> It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event. [. . .]
> This will be an origianl EM session that will feature:
>
> Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands)
> Dave Brewer (from Arizona)
> Air Sculpture (from England)
Air Sculpture?!?! Whoah, bubba! :) :) :)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:44
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Subject: Re: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
At 05:11 PM 1/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0500 Vic Rek writes:
>
> > It's time to get ready for the second Okefenokee Event. [. . .]
> > This will be an origianl EM session that will feature:
> >
> > Marcel Engels - Free System Projekt (from Netherlands)
> > Dave Brewer (from Arizona)
> > Air Sculpture (from England)
>
> Air Sculpture?!?! Whoah, bubba! :) :) :)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Hey Vic, that's quite a feat! Getting AirSculpture to perform but even
more so rendering Steven to the point of being at a loss for words! ;-)
'O'
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 6:44
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
Try Okefenokee Dreams CD at Groove Unlimited or Synth Music Direct. That's
the official CD. I don't think either Dave Brewer or Marcel Engels (who are
both on this list) would be too happy about a cdr tree.... The original is
worth every penny, believe me.
> Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a
copie
> oh that one. Anywon can helps me out?
>
>
>
> Neal
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From:
Derk
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 12:00
pm
Subject: Re: i - Box
From: 'Derek ' :
>I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest
>wait or are others out there still waiting?
Got it yesterday as well. Although I already own both Tangents and Dream
Roots Collection, this package is worthwile for me because there's a huge
gap in my TD collection between Livemiles and Mars Polaris. So more than
half of what's contained in the set is actually new for me, more than
justifying the $32 I laid down for it!
I started playing the set backwards yesterday (backwards chronologically
that is!). Don't know what to make of the Perth Tapes yet: the first part
is very meandering, while Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version.
Too bad the applause has been edited out: in electronic music that's quite
often the only indication that the music has in fact been played live!
As for the 1988-1990 material, I like some pieces of it well enough but
it's too early to form any opionion of it.
Derk
NP: i-Box disc 3: Tyger (William Blake Poem)
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From:
'Glynn Naughton'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 1:01
pm
Subject: New Book
Hello there,
The other day I spotted a new book that might be of interest. It's
called _The Ambient Century_ and is by Mark Prendergast. This is the
chap who wrote the _Tangents_ essay. He's an interesting bloke - I
found myself sitting next to him at the '97 London show and we had a
chat at half-time. It's quite a substantial book - 400+ pages, I
think - and covers the whole spectrum of what might very loosely be
referred to as 'ambient' music. I *think* the subtitle was 'From
Mahler to Eno in the Age of Electronics'. Publisher, in the UK at any
rate, is Bloomsbury and the copyright date is 2000, so it's fairly
hot off the press. Didn't have too close a look but I did spot two
errors in one section - i.e. that Johaness Schmoelling left TD in '85
and Chris Franke left in '88.
Glynn
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From:
'Glynn Naughton'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 1:03
pm
Subject: Re: New Book
Sorry, meant to say that the book said that Johannes left in '84.
Here's me nitpicking and I can't get it right myself :-)
Glynn
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:24
pm
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
Wonderful! Thank you very much! I was not trying to cheat anybody out of
any $$$ or anything. I don't remember being a part of this list when the CD was
released. I just assumed, with the nature of this list openly creating trees
and
the like.......
Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved, remixed
and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?)
Neal
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: 1/7/01 1:51:03 AM
Subject: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to
Okefenokee?
Try Okefenokee Dreams CD at Groove Unlimited or Synth Music Direct.
That's
the official CD. I don't think either Dave Brewer or Marcel Engels (who
are
both on this list) would be too happy about a cdr tree.... The original
is
worth every penny, believe me.
Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me
a
copie
oh that one. Anywon can helps me out?
Neal
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:35
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
th official cd from the event is for sale at Groove and SMD and various other
places. only around $11.50 AT groove. come on Neal....support the artists.
Tom
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:13:53 Neal Frost wrote:
>
>Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me a copie
>oh that one. Anywon can helps me out?
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From:
Richard
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 2:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
>I started playing the set backwards yesterday (
That would be an interesting project. I might record one of their albums
into my DR4vr and play it in reverse. Hmmm.....
--
Richard
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From:
tomx01@w...
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 4:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
Hmmm, if were talking about playing the I-box backwards it doesn't bode
well for those still deciding wether to buy it or not. =)
The melodic part of Monlolight might sounds tnteresting backwards
though.
Tom.
Np: elgae etihW
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
>From: Derk
>
>From: 'Derek ' :
> >I finally got my copy today. Have I got the record for the longest
> >wait or are others out there still waiting?
>
Don't know what to make of the Perth Tapes yet: the first part
>is very meandering, while Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version.
>Too bad the applause has been edited out: in electronic music that's quite
>often the only indication that the music has in fact been played live!
Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave
Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether it's
live or not, but which year's version it is.
And I know I'm not alone. :)
-Morgan
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Richard
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 5:13
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
I
>Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave
>Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether it's
>live or not, but which year's version it is.
You know someone was going to ask: How?
--
Richard
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
>From: Richard
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
>Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:13:37 +0000
>
>I
> >Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave
> >Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether
>it's
> >live or not, but which year's version it is.
>
>
>You know someone was going to ask: How?
The versions of Mojave Plan and much of the other material changed pretty
dramatically over the years. Especially the ~10 minute short encore version
of Mojave Plan in 1983.
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
>From: Richard
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
>Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:13:37 +0000
>
>I
> >Someone can play 1 minute of their 1981, 1982 or 1983 versions of Mojave
> >Plan and, without hearing any applause, I can tell you not only whether
>it's
> >live or not, but which year's version it is.
>
>
>You know someone was going to ask: How?
The 1982 version of Mojave Plan was much longer, and much improvised
(especially in the middle) and more melodicized in the beginning and other
places. The version on the 'Perth 1982 concert' (HAH!) is pulled from the
1981 White Eagle release tapes and mixed in.
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 7:03
am
Subject: The OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:44:03 +0100 'Thomas'
writes:
>Try Okefenokee Dreams CD at Groove Unlimited or Synth Music Direct.
>That's the official CD. I don't think either Dave Brewer or Marcel
>Engels (who are both on this list) would be too happy about a cdr
>tree.... The original is worth every penny, believe me.
This is true. The OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD is right up there with
Paul Ellis' APPEARS TO VANISH and AIR SCULPTURE's ATTRITION SYSTEM
and EUROPA CDs. Forget about the two Arcane CDs, and pick up the
OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD instead!
-- Steven Feldman -- lone webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 5:38
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
Re the OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD,
on Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:24:20 -0500
'Neal Frost' writes:
>Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved,
>remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?)
Huh?!? 'New and improved, remixed and re-recorded version'?
What are you talking about?
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't
possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message
posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT
From:
'jon werner'
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] rarities auction
Helo again
I am not too much into auctions, sorry. Therefore no bids.
But If you have a copy of Voices in the dunes to sell, I am very interested.
I also asked you if you want to trade cdrs, but you never replied to that.
If you are I will send you a list.
Take care
From
Werner in Norway
>From: Klaus Beschorner
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist
>, tadream moderated mailing list at onelist
>, goblinsclub mailing list ,
>artofvision TD 90s mailing list
>Subject: [tadream] rarities auction
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:44:42 +0100
>
>Oooops... almost 100 visitors and not a single bid on my auction at
>http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity
>
>Please, be so kind and let me know what I'm doing wrong,
>so that I can make you a better offer on the next run.
>There is a feedback link on the page now. Thanks a lot !
>
>Possible reasons I can think of would be:
>
>not interested in buying rarities at all ?
>not interested in the items offered ?
>don't like the auction rules or the fact that this is not ebay ?
>minimum bids too high ?
>
>As in incentive to re-visit the page I have lowered all the
>minimum bids !
>
>cheers,
>klaus
>
>
>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i - Box
> Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version. Too bad the applause has
> been edited out: in electronic music that's quite often the only indication
> that the music has in fact been played live!
Not necessarily...back in the early to mid 80s, TD's live renditions of album
tracks were usually performed somewhat differently. They were abbreviated or
extended, simplified or embellished. But the version of Mojave Plan in
'Dreamyard' is *so* much like the album version that I believe that that's
exactly what it is: the album version. Given that they are also
misrepresenting the 'Private Music' era tracks as being 'live' (they are not),
this doesn't surprise me. I wish they would stop doing this. Flat out lying
to your own fans (who, after all, have heard bootlegs of this material and know
better) about what they're getting on an album is bad business practice, and
I've told TDI as much. But I've never received a response from them. Since
most of us are buying their stuff no matter what they do, I guess they have no
reason to change their ways (personally, I cancelled my order for the box, and
am making these judgements based on mp3s that I downloaded. Oh, sorry, am I
not supposed to admit that?).
Having said that, the demo versions of Marakesh and Cat Scan are interesting to
hear, but they should have just labelled them as such - not as 'live'.
Now, I know you're all just dying to hear even more of my usual complaining,
and I will not disappoint you. The previously unreleased tracks are pretty
average. No delights like Silver Scale or Valley of the Sun here. It's good
to have Akash Deep, although it sounded better in the context of the entire
concert for some reason. Cool Sibuya has some nice sounds, but goes on far too
long. Iguana features my favourite unreleased theme from the 1988 tours, but
it's used to bookend a really crap middle section. And the guitar overdubbing
at the end actually takes away from its statelieness and makes it sound like
the Love Theme from some bad 80s movie. I hope we get an unadulterated version
one day...but I'm not holding my breath.
Okay, I'll quit my whining now. Feel free to disagree with me.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 7:52
pm
Subject: A momentary abuse of this list
Hi All,
The following posting to the Giorgio Moroder mailing list is just
to juicy to keep to myself:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From: 'Colin Linskey'
To: moroder@egroups.com
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:53:09 -0000
Subject: [moroder] Greatest No.1 Singles...
Hello everyone! Britain's Channel 4 television station in
conjunction with The Observer newspaper compiled a list of The U.K.'s
Greatest No.1 Singles. It was broadcast over 4 hours last night
including the ad breaks. Only one Moroder song involved which was
Donna Suumer's I Feel Love @ No.71, I think...
Moroder commented on the one fingered chord technique etc, and
added... 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel
Love, and said 'David... I heard the future!''
The Human League's Phil(ip) Oakey commented that 'It might be my
favourite ever single, still,' which seemed to take Suzanne Sulley,
female vocals on Don't You Want Me by surprise...
Further up the '100 was THAT Gloria Gaynor song to which Giorgio
commented... 'I Will Survive is probably THE best dance song, ever
made. I love her voice, the rhythm is great, the melody's great.'
Cue thousands of Giorgio Moroder fans burning his records at
this blasphemous comment!!! Don't tell Donna Summer! :-) Only
joking! :-) I hope nobody does.. Well, they do say every
songwriter says 'I wished I'd written that!'
Best Wishes, Colin
P.S. And the obligatory CD album of it is released tommorow. No idea
of what tracks on it yet, but we're only interested if I Feel Love on
it of course... Depends on which record companies are releasing it.
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From:
joes@f...
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 9:19
pm
Subject: Re: So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
How disrespectful can you get? Of course this will never happen, at
least not on this list.
-Joe
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Neal Frost' wrote:
>
> Wuz thar ever uh seedee-are tree uv the 1st swamp party? I needs me
a copie
> oh that one. Anywon can helps me out?
>
>
>
> Neal
From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 12:01
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
hey steve,
he is refering to Schmoellings new 'White Out 2000' that just came out
remixed and with a couple of additional tracks,'
tom
--
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:38:34 scfeldman wrote:
>Re the OKEFENOKEE DREAMS CD,
>on Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:24:20 -0500
>'Neal Frost' writes:
>
>>Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved,
>>remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?)
>
> Huh?!? 'New and improved, remixed and re-recorded version'?
>What are you talking about?
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>+ + + + + + +
>'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't
>possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message
>posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT
>
>
>
>
>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
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>
>
>
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 1:19
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] So Who's Coming to Okefenokee?
Anyway, I look forward to getting this CD and the new and improved,
remixed and re-recorded version as well. (Right JS?)
Huh?!? 'New and improved, remixed
and re-recorded version'?
What are you talking about?
Right JS? Zoo of Tranquility (Old Version) and then we have the New
Version, new and improved, remixed and re-recorded.
White Out (Old Version) and then we have White Out 2000, new and improved,
remixed and re-recorded.
I actually can't wait to see what he does with Wuivend Riet!
Neal
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From:
'Duncan Mckee'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 9:10
am
Subject: the keep on ebay
hi guys
only 7 hours left for this item
Tangerine Dream - THE KEEP TDI010CD 1997
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1402245218
plenty of hits
no bids
com on guys!!!!
Duncan McKee
mckee17@m...
http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 2:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] rarities auction
Good morning (afternoon) Klaus-
I could be that everybody is just tapped out from the holidays?
-JOe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:45 AM
> To: tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist; tadream
> moderated mailing list at onelist; goblinsclub mailing list;
> artofvision
> TD 90s mailing list
> Subject: [tadream] rarities auction
>
>
> Oooops... almost 100 visitors and not a single bid on my auction at
> http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity
>
> Please, be so kind and let me know what I'm doing wrong,
> so that I can make you a better offer on the next run.
> There is a feedback link on the page now. Thanks a lot !
>
> Possible reasons I can think of would be:
>
> not interested in buying rarities at all ?
> not interested in the items offered ?
> don't like the auction rules or the fact that this is not ebay ?
> minimum bids too high ?
>
> As in incentive to re-visit the page I have lowered all the
> minimum bids !
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Duncan Mckee'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 2:25
pm
Subject: dream sequence promo on ebay
hi again guys
i have listed my copy of the dream sequence promo cdrs on ebay
you can find it here
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403066005
Duncan McKee
mckee17@m...
http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'Duncan Mckee'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:28
pm
Subject: THE KEEP again
hi everyone
i have relisted my Keep cd with a lower reserve price
it is on for another 5 days
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403082708
i also have listed
Dream Sequence promo cdrs
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403066005
Duncan McKee
mckee17@m...
http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:40
pm
Subject: TD Guestbook
I noticed that someone posted a message in the TD guestbook this weekend,
criticizing the band for calling Dreamyard 'live' when it's really just tracks
from
White Eagle and Pinnacles stitched together. 'buyer beware', they added. Not
surprisingly, the message has been deleted!
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Guestbook
I'm wondering who is to blame for this censorship. Is it Mr. Martin? (the
same one who screamed at me 6 months ago for saying that Edgar didn't mind
largely non-commercial bootlegs, a fact that Edgar reiterated quite strongly
on the Electrobeats show a couple of weeks ago, which tens of thousands no
doubt listened to)
-Morgan
>From: Sean Montgomery
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] TD Guestbook
>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:40:55 -0500
>
>I noticed that someone posted a message in the TD guestbook this weekend,
>criticizing the band for calling Dreamyard 'live' when it's really just
>tracks from
>White Eagle and Pinnacles stitched together. 'buyer beware', they added.
>Not
>surprisingly, the message has been deleted!
>
>--
>SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
>T O P I X / Mad Dog
>http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 6:34
pm
Subject: Auction closed
my first little private auction is closed now,
All winners have been notified directly by email.
For those interested I'll leave the results on the page for a few days.
http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity
Thanks to all bidders and 'feedbackers', the next one is
going to be even better !
cheers,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 5:58
pm
Subject: Klaus in Scotland
Hi all,
I'm in Scotland (Livingston) just now until Thursday morning.
Any local TD junkie care for a chat over a beer ? If so,
leave a message on my mobile phone +49-171-7338969
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 7:41
pm
Subject: Sean said something funny...
Hi all,
Sean wrote:
>And the guitar overdubbing
>at the end actually takes away from its statelieness and makes it sound
like
>the Love Theme from some bad 80s movie.
TD wrote several love themes to bad 80's movies! Maybe that's what this was
originally!
;-)
James (returning to the deep, dark, lurking jungle)
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 7:44
pm
Subject: Schulze in Beijing
Hey,
Does anyone have any info on Klaus Schulze's New Year show in Beijing? (I
hope this is on-topic)
Glenn
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
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From:
Derk
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 9:29
pm
Subject: Re: Mojave Plan 'live'
From: Sean Montgomery :
>> Mojave Plan is *very* close to the album version. Too bad the applause has
>> been edited out: in electronic music that's quite often the only indication
>> that the music has in fact been played live!
>
>Not necessarily...back in the early to mid 80s, TD's live renditions of album
>tracks were usually performed somewhat differently. They were abbreviated or
>extended, simplified or embellished. But the version of Mojave Plan in
>'Dreamyard' is *so* much like the album version that I believe that that's
>exactly what it is: the album version.
You're right of course: I should have referred to this specific instance
(or rather, most of the i-Box live tracks). Since it's so close to the
album version, a bit of applause would have been nice to identify it as a
live track. But then, I understand that it isn't that either!
Derk
From:
Matthew Stringer
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 10:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is available?
Matt
> I received an email from Yannick Edom regarding the CDR project. I
> suspect that all of those musicians involved will get an email as soon
> as the project is ready for release.
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 11:58
pm
Subject: i-Box
Hi everyone,
I recently wrote that I didn't think I'd receive my 'i-Box' until later in
the month. Well, it arrived this morning, and I plan to play it (or part of
it) this evening.
The enclosed booklet that I've briefly glanced at looks superb and full of
fascinating photos. I gather there is the occasional error, but I'm not
overly bothered by that. I plan to read it fully when time permits.
All in all, it looks like an excellent purchase.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 10:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze in Beijing
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
Hey,
Does anyone have any info on Klaus Schulze's New Year show in Beijing? (I
hope this is on-topic)
--------
All I know is that the music was composed, played and recorded previously
for the event, and that it was playbacked during the event.
There is some more detailed info at KS's site, www.klaus-schulze.com .
From:
Richard
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 6:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer
writes
>Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is available?
>Matt
If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. Although I was
given more information, it is only for the artists involved.
--
Richard
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 7:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
look for a tree announcement on the CDR soon. yannick is doing the final
mastering now, then Tom will begin the tree structuring upon receipt of the
disks. We will make an announcement and post the info on the
tadream.net/musos page.
it's just around the corner...
-jOe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard [mailto:theroom@b...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
>
>
> In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer
> writes
> >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk
> before it is available?
> >Matt
>
> If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly.
> Although I was
> given more information, it is only for the artists involved.
> --
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 7:13
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it? I
don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be
grateful,
thanks
Thomas
Helsingborg Sweden
> In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer
> writes
> >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is
available?
> >Matt
>
> If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. Although I was
> given more information, it is only for the artists involved.
> --
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
Matthew Stringer
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
I suppled the Dream Conspiracy track, but have heard very little about the
state of play with the project.
I was just wondering if someone had put something on the web about it that's
all.
Matt
On Tue, 09 Jan 2001, you wrote:
> In message <01010910344403.09118@z...>, Matthew Stringer
> writes
>
> >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it is
> > available? Matt
>
> If you supplied a track, you will be contacted directly. Although I was
> given more information, it is only for the artists involved.
From:
Richard Ford
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 11:49
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
>Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it? I
>don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be
>grateful,
>
>thanks
>
>Thomas
>Helsingborg Sweden
I'm beginning to wish I'd never offered to post the info to the group.
There is no offence meant. The project is not yet finished. It must be
obvious that the first people to know about it are those that are
involved.
I'm sure, when the project is ready for release there will be an
official posting.
END
--
Richard
From:
joes@f...
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 3:26
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
I don't either. I know of nothing for 'the artists involved only'.
I put some of the info at the following URL, but am not 100% sure it
is current. Yannick will update us. Oops I just noticed that I put
the large sized files up; I'll replace them with smaller versions
asap.
http://www.tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
-joe
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Thomas' wrote:
> Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of
it? I
> don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would
be grateful,
>
> thanks
>
> Thomas
> Helsingborg Sweden
>
...
> > >Is there going to be any kind of preview of this disk before it
is available?
> > >Matt
...more information, it is only for the artists involved.
> > Richard
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 3:08
pm
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Message to all regarding the CDR project
Oh, I'm sorry. Complete misunderstanding from my side. I interpreted it as
if the WHOLE project was for the participants of the CD only. Sorry :)
Thomas
> >Please, no offense, but why can't us other listmembers take part of it?
I
> >don't understand that part of it. If someone could explain I would be
> >grateful,
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >Thomas
> >Helsingborg Sweden
>
> I'm beginning to wish I'd never offered to post the info to the group.
> There is no offence meant. The project is not yet finished. It must be
> obvious that the first people to know about it are those that are
> involved.
>
> I'm sure, when the project is ready for release there will be an
> official posting.
>
>
>
> END
> --
> Richard
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 9:44
am
Subject: iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker
note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not necessarily reflect the
opinions of the list moderators or of the list as a whole itself. One should
read these reviews noting that different members of the TD fan community hold
many different viewpoints.
----------------------------
Here's a lengthy review of the iBox for anyone who's interested. TD acolytes
who don't much care for criticism should probably turn back now. You've been
warned. The rest of you, come on in...
Well, I swore I wouldn't buy it. Packaging an unreleased live tape with five
other compilation discs was one screw job too many for me. Then the price
turned out to be $30, with a voucher I got it down to $20, and I'd run out
of Christmas present ideas. The pull of that 6th disc was too strong. OK, it
would be tangentised to hell, but there could be *anything* on that disc.
Bits of Digital Times, Undulation, the second half of Sohoman. I caved in.
The packaging is very attractive, but the CD set itself is an even greater
disappointment than I'd feared. And I'd set my expectations pretty low
already. iBox fails on so many levels its difficult to know where to start.
The tracklisting. I was under the impression that the whole point of the
iBox was to make a proper compilation of TD material, with tracks from every
year and era. With albums spread over 4 or 5 different record companies,
this hasn't been possible before. iBox runs into the same problem Book of
Dreams had before the first disc is finished. It jumps inexplicably from
1972/3 to 1985. Why? If you're going to be that idiotic with the tracks,
hell, open the whole compilation with Melrose.
And where's Phaedra? Rubycon? Ricochet? Stratosfear? Force Majeure? Tangram?
Thief? The Virgin years have been all but skipped entirely. Again. Not even
a bit of that awful 90's concert version of Phaedra to represent the classic
Virgin years.
The tangentising. It would have been foolish not to expect this. Once again
Edgar does a 'George Lucas', approaching his material convinced that any
sharp corners in the music are actually errors that need to be ground down
and filed off, creating homogenised, uniform, and colourless versions of
classics.
Those lovely electronic-sounding Sitars in No Mans Land are almost buried
beneath a dull, droning orchestral sound. Ten seconds into Hyperborea, an
unbelievably cack-handed crashing drum sound joins the track, thumping
incessantly on the music and totally ruining the laid-back feeling of the
original. And so on, with most of the other tracks. Apparently being a
cutting edge, forwarding thinking artist means that to create something new,
you must first tear down and destroy everything that's old, showing no
respect for the material that made you a hit in the first place. Not true.
Some of the tangentising is just bizarre. White Clouds, Astral Voyager and
Indian Summer haven't had a single note added to them. Instead, they've each
been put through an ambience filter. You know, the kind of thing you can do
if you've got a Winamp plugin and too much free time on your hands. The
resulting echoy sound does nothing to improve the originals (because they
don't _need_ improving), and just makes them sound like they're being played
through a cheap stereo with crap speakers.
As with Book of Dreams, there are a few tracks that haven't been altered.
Mostly from Le Parc and Underwater Sunlight, but the damage has already been
done.
Then there are the 'live' tracks. It's actually quite cute and amusing what
Edgar has done here. Basically, he's taken studio versions and put them
through that Winamp plugin to create the ambience effect of a live, outside
performance. It would be almost convincing, except he forgot to add one
other little thing. An audience. Where are they? If it's a live performance,
recorded 'outside' to create the live ambience sound... shouldn't we be able
to hear the audience too? It really is kinda funny, until you remember that
the iBox is supposed to be the ultimate compilation of one of the greatest
electronic bands in the history of music. Then it isn't quite a funny
anymore.
And so we arrive at the Perth Tapes, and unless anyone here can produce a
bootleg of this concert to prove me wrong, I'm declaring this Edgars most
deceptive and unprincipled release to date. Worse even than Soundmill
Navigator or Sohoman, because at least they contained some live material
buried in amongst the crap.
Red Velvet Rooster. Apparently it's an Edgar track from Pinnacles. Not
having heard that album I wouldn't know. The track plods around aimlessly
for 15 minutes and sounds nothing like the 1982 live sets I've heard on
bootlegs and fantapes. Then it gives way to what are obviously the studio
versions of Convention of the 24 and Mojave Plan. Is it _really_ easier to
fake a concert and lie to fans, than to simply pull an old live tape out of
storage?
Bookending the whole sorry mess is a rather nice booklet of photos, plus a
five page band history that is breathlessly laudatory in places. The real
surprise here is that its not actually written by Edgar himself, but in it
the author assures us that TD are as cutting edge today as they were in 1970
despite the 6 CD's of evidence to the contrary. We're also told that Jerome
wants to drag TD even further into the styles of DJ and Jungle music. I
can't wait for that.
So there you have it. And please remember, I'm not trolling. I'm just a very
disappointed and pissed-off fan.
Maff
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:40
am
Subject: Re: i-Box
note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not necessarily reflect the
opinions of the list moderators or of the list as a whole itself. One should
read these reviews noting that different members of the TD fan community hold
many different viewpoints.
----------------------------
Hi,
I bought my i-box straight in a shop in Bonn/Germany after
unsuccessful attempts to find it in Belfast, Dublin and Brussels.
The booklet is indeed very very good, even better than the
Dream Roots Collection booklet. Lots of photos I haven't seen
yet. Similar effect as 20 years ago with the TD 70-80 4LP set.
On that early photograph on the first page, Edgar looks very
much like Jerome with a blonde wig (or dyed hair, for that
matter...)
Music: Most of it is overpaid, sure. Only very few new tracks
on it, and the first 10 minutes or so of the 'Perth concert'.
The subtitle of the i-box - 70-90 - is of course not to be taken
that seriously. There is nothing on it from Phaedra, Rubicon,
Ricochet, Stratosfear, Cyclone, Force Majeure... probably
copyright problems.
As with all official releases of 'rarities' and old stuff, the
music looses a lot since it is taken out of the context of
the concerts it has been played on (as we know from fantapes...)
Under the bottom line, another rip off of course, and I'm thinking
we're glad that the Froese's don't do 25++ box sets like Schulze
in that way... we can just live with it (so far)
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I recently wrote that I didn't think I'd receive my 'i-Box' until
later in
> the month. Well, it arrived this morning, and I plan to play it (or
part of
> it) this evening.
> The enclosed booklet that I've briefly glanced at looks superb and
full of
> fascinating photos. I gather there is the occasional error, but I'm
not
> overly bothered by that. I plan to read it fully when time permits.
> All in all, it looks like an excellent purchase.
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker
> note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not necessarily reflect the
opinions of the list moderators or of the list as a whole itself. One should
read these reviews noting that different members of the TD fan community hold
many different viewpoints.
> ----------------------------
What's up with this? Is TDI breathing down the list moderator's neck? Do they
want to start censoring contrary opinions from this list the same way they
censor their guestbook? This is unbelievable. We're not enemies of TD here.
We're the people who have
spent a fortune supporting them over the years. The band should LISTEN to what
we have to say! That's the first rule of customer service. This constant
dismissing of criticism is going to hurt them big time, and I'll tell you why.
Who are TDI really selling to these days? I'll put aside issues such as tehir
lack of touring or promotion, their disappearance from soundtrack writing...and
invite you to take a look at Amazon.com. Go type in 'I-Box', and it'll tell
you that the people who
have bought the set have also purchased Antique Dreams, Soundmill Navigator,
and the remaster of Livemiles. What does this tell you? It tells me that the
I-Box is not being bought by average shoppers. It's being bought by hardcore
fans, particularly those
hungry for older music. And TD knows this, which is why they stick on the
'unreleased' tracks - to suck in the hardcore fans who have to have
*everything*. (They consistently fail to provide any information about these
tracks of course. Useful information -
such as who composed them, and when they were written If people knew that they
were just 'tracks rejected from Optical Race for being too slow and pointless',
then they would probably be less inclined to buy the set).
Sometimes, I find what TDI does these days to be totally baffling. They
obviously know that fans want old concerts, which is why we get Sohoman,
Soundmill Navigator and now the 'Perth Tapes'. But these are either not really
live shows at all, or so doctored
that their value as historical documents is ruined. Can you imagine if Pink
Floyd, for the live version of The Wall that they put out last year, had just
taken the master tapes for the original album and released it with some crowd
noises on top? That's
essesntially what TD did with the Perth tapes, except they didn't even add
crowd noise, making the act even more unbelievable.
How much work can it be to go into the vault, dust off a master tape, and put
it on a CD? Obviously, they have these tapes. The band has played
unadulterated concert material on Electrobeats at least twice. They even make
jokes about how 'this will makes the
bootleggers happy'. Why not make the FANS happy? Why lie to the fans? Why
do they not respond to fan criticism? Why treat them like bratty children?
They put your bread and butter on the table, people.
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
> Apparently being a cutting edge, forwarding thinking artist means that to
create something new, you must first tear down and destroy everything that's
old, showing no respect for the material that made you a hit in the first place.
While I'm on a tear, I might as well repost something I sent to the list last
October:
It seems that Edgar still fancies himself to be a visionary...a leader of the
electronic music revolution. In this mindset, he can not allow himself to be
seen acknowledging that anything he did in the past was any good. Every step
must be a step forward - a
radical step! He never looks back! So when he does lower himself to releasing
older material, he has to sprinkle some of his current musical spices on it,
since this makes the old tunes new and revolutionary - like everything else TD
still puts out, of
course.
Yeah, I was being a little sarcastic there.
> We're also told that Jerome wants to drag TD even further into the styles of
DJ and Jungle music. I can't wait for that.
In the interests of injecting a note of positivism, I actually like Jerome's
excursions into more dance-oriented music. In fact, if he hadn't stepped in
back in 1995 with The Dream Mixes, I would have abandoned the band. All the
same, it shows that TD has
become reactive rather than proactive. Drum and Bass music was hot here in
Toronto a couple of years ago, and it's already getting old. If TD wants to
keep claiming to be musical visionaries, they have to deliver the goods, not
just copy what's already been
done.
Now let's see if his message gets censored.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Greg'
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:36
pm
Subject: iBox Review
I really seem to believe that what we are seeing is the result of a person
or group who
takes material from an artist, repackages it, renames it, promotes it, and
basically
alters it for the purpose to make money. I can't imagine an artist doing
this to their own
work.. heck I can't even imagine an artist taking the fairly decent box art
on the iBox and
cramming it out of proportion on the box side.
What could be happening is that Edgar and Jerome are so involved in current
projects
that they have no desire to worry about box sets and compliations of old
material. Anyone
can take a bunch of tracks and compile them together, just tell them where
they are.
So could we really establish that Edgar had the ultimate desire to basically
record Pinnacles
and Mohave Plan from a couple CDs they could buy down the road and call it
the Perth Tapes?
How could anyone sit and create new over-dubs for ten minutes over basically
master studio
recordings and call it live? That sounds like the work of a brain damaged
gorilla.
Now mind you I have seen more differences in some of the tracks than
others..
*I think*
On Melrose, the sax part has some varriation
Electric Lion guitar part sounds more dynamic and live sounding.
Upon hearing Cat Scan and Marakesh, I thought.. who recorded only the left
(or right) channel?
Who knows.. sounds cool nevertheless whatever they did with it.
Greg H.
NP: PSX Rayman .. those French can make interesting soundtracks..
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:41
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] iBox Review from a Semi-Lurker
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Montgomery
> > note: the opinions of any reviews posted here do not ...
...
> What's up with this? Is TDI breathing down the list
> moderator's neck? Do they want to start censoring contrary
hey sean- your question is understandable, but no they haven't. Those
comments are simply so that new subscribers know this is a TD 'FAN' list,
not a 'here's everything that is wrong with TD' list, as it sometimes
appears. I receive the exit interviews that people are kind enough to send
me when they leave, and believe me, it is not always apparent..
> Who are TDI really selling to these days?
this I would really like to know also!
> imagine if Pink Floyd, for the live version of The Wall that
> they put out last year, had just taken the master tapes for
> the original album and released it with some crowd noises on
> top?
I was about to comment on the album Pulse, but I can't remember if PF merged
the tracks together that were from different shows to make them seem like
they were from the same show - or not. Not quite as egregious as a studio
with crowd overdubs, of course, but it came to mind. I'm thinking back to
live albums from the past: did my Kiss Alive album say the songs were from
different venues or not? etc.
> Now let's see if his message gets censored.
no- I'll censor the next one. make it juicy. ;-)
From:
'kayleigh'
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:40
am
Subject: CD Project HELP?
Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question in regards to this CDR project
that's going on. IS THERE anyone that could give me some help on obtaining
some of the stuff that is being made available? i'm seriously interested,
and wondering if I'm not already too late for this?
Please if anyone could e-mail me off the list, OR on the list, that'd be
totally cool. I'd appreciate it, as it sounds like a great project, and I'd
like to see about obtaining some of the stuff that's going around.
thanks.
dan
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 5:19
am
Subject: Heiko
Heiko Heerson please contact me. my mail to your personal email keeps coming
back saying failure. thanks. sorry list for the private message.
tom
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
From:
Richard
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 6:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Project HELP?
In message <007d01c07b67$29c38020$b51a5dd8@d...>, kayleigh
writes
>Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question in regards to this CDR project
>that's going on. IS THERE anyone that could give me some help on obtaining
>some of the stuff that is being made available? i'm seriously interested,
>and wondering if I'm not already too late for this?
>
>Please if anyone could e-mail me off the list, OR on the list, that'd be
>totally cool. I'd appreciate it, as it sounds like a great project, and I'd
>like to see about obtaining some of the stuff that's going around.
>
It will be posted here when it is ready for release. Keep cool.
--
Richard
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From:
gmroger@p...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:08
pm
Subject: i-Box controversy, The Keep, Jerome taking over & Edgar producing everything
'Well, I swore I wouldn't buy it. Packaging an unreleased live tape with five
other compilation discs was one screw job too many for me... but the CD set
itself is an even greater disappointment than I'd feared. And I'd set
my expectations pretty lowalready. iBox fails on so many levels
its difficult to know where to start.'
'...Music: Most of it is overpaid, sure. Only very few new tracks on it, and
the first 10 minutes
or so of the 'Perth concert'. The subtitle of the i-box - 70-90 - is of
course not to be taken that
seriously. There is nothing on it from Phaedra, Rubicon, Ricochet,
Stratosfear, Cyclone, Force Majeure...
probably copyright problems.'
'...All in all, it looks like an excellent purchase...'
'...Sometimes, I find what TDI does these days to be totally baffling...'
Okay, I'll put in my worth. First of all, I seemed to be one of the
lucky ones who got their I-Box set well ahead of most, and I live
hear in Poland! As regards the collection though, well, if you don't
already have Tangents and Dream Roots, it may be thought of as
being a good purchase. I do find the selection of tracks mysterious,
wondering why there should be many taken from the incredibly
disappointing 'Vulcano' from 'Tangents'. (or is it now Volcano?)
Since the track selections from the Blue and Virgin years have
actually come from 'Dream Roots' and 'Tangents', this does
certainly suggest a copyright problem. Unless, of course, you
count what does effectively seem like a straight copy of 'Mojave
Plan'. Perhaps EMI/Virgin Music Publishers should be informed...
Actually, the 'new' tracks on the collection are not that bad. It's
only a pity there are so few of them. And Edgar has a hand in
everything.
Just to veer off-topic slightly, could this be a reason why 'The Keep'
official release has the tracks it does? Maybe, just maybe, tracks
like 'The Keep (main title)', 'The Black Soldiers' and 'Brothers in
Death' weren't written by Edgar at all but by Chris, and because his
relationship with Chris was at an all-time low, Edgar refused to
include these tracks. Instead, he filled them up with his own pieces
probably recorded one sunny afternoon in 1997. Certainly, during
the CF years, no matter who composed what track on each album,
it was always given a group credit, only sometimes the order of
composer would differ
But back to the i-BOX. Let's face it. TD did post a track list regards
i-BOX, and we all knew what was coming, but we thought, well,
seven new tracks and a whole CD of live material, it might well be
worth the money. I think a lot of us do feel incredibly disappointed
and hard-done by with the 'Perth Tapes'.
I hope, Jerome, you've done a bloody good job on Dream Mixes
three. Maybe it is time for you to take the TD reins (Oh god, how
could I say this...)
Oh, one further footnote. If TDI are able to get all the Virgin
releases, and re-release them with new splurges on the front,
would Edgar suddenly be credited as sole producer - just like the
Jive re-issues? (I often wonder what Chris makes of all this.)
Okay. I'll shut up now. But I'll still remain a TD fan...
Roger Hartopp
--
From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] i-Box controversy, The Keep, Jerome taking over & Edgar produci...
In a message dated 12/01/01 13:33:41 GMT Standard Time,
gmroger@p... writes:
<< I hope, Jerome, you've done a bloody good job on Dream Mixes
three. Maybe it is time for you to take the TD reins (Oh god, how
could I say this...) >>
In Paul Stump's book it claims that Edgar would be handing over the name
Tangerine Dream to Jerome in 2000. As that has now passed, could i-box be
Edgar's swansong?
Derek
From:
yannick.edom@s...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:21
am
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES cover (if it works
note: we don't allow attachments, so yannick's cover won't come through. you
can view the current info (don't have tracklist up yet):
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
---------------------
Here is the cover for the project
Yannick Edom
Mirage Crations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
yannick.edom@s...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:19
am
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
Hello everyone on the List
First happy new year 2001. The new Millenium will see the CDR project now
titled 'Dreamwatchers' Tales'
'Dreawatchers' Tales' is now close to be completed.
The booklet is in progress and some things has to be done on some tracks.
The final Product will be a 2CDR set with 23 tracks.
There is a special opening atmospheric piece with short samples of all
tracks from the project as introduction.
Two collaboration tracks are also included. The basic sequences and drumset
are recorded by one musician in his studio and the overlays are recorded by
the other one in another studio. The musicians never met for these
collaboration tracks.
A 'preview' CDR is complete with short versions of some tracks chosen for
the final product and 9 extra tracks only available on this preview CDR, as
i received sometimes more than one track per musician.
All informations are also available on the http://www.tadream.net website
managed by Joe Shoults.
The tree for the availability of the final product is managed by Tom
Richmond TRichmond@b...
Here are the track listing (with short description) of the final 2CDR set.
-------------------------------------
The Dreamwatchers' Tales
a gathering of electronic musicians through Internet
DISC 1
1- DREAMWATCHERS 'tales'
Atmospheric sound sculpture created by Darklion featuring short extracts of
each track of this project and also the special tracks from the preview CDR.
2- NIGHTBIRDS 'Morning Weather' (R.V. - Blue Maze)
Atmospheric intro continues with cyclic sequences and background soli &
chord recorded live Cap d'Agde - France in summer 1995
3- NEMESIS 'Moontrigger' (Ami Hassinen - Jyrki Kastman)
Typical berlin school piece with sequences & soli using vintage sounds
4- OLIVIER BRIAND 'Transparences' (O. Briand)
Etheral opening turning into heavy franke-like sequences and acoustic
guitar soli
Guitar played by Christian Gerard
5- DKTOR STRANGE 'To be or not to be Live ?' (Dr Strange)
An ambient/trance track with schulzian analog sequences & light drumset
with short soli Featuring P-33 on additional keyboards
Recorded live
6- DARKLION 'Desert Line - Dreamlist part' (Darklion)
Multilayed voices opening followed by a techno-like piece with
an ending ' la Froese' using mellotron strings, orchestra and zombi
samples
7- JEFF BERGMAN 'An Intense and Intimate Journey Into your Mind' (J.
Bergman)
Long track with progressive sequences and many themes variations
8- FREE SYSTEM PROJECT 'Faraday' (Marcel Engels)
Another typical berlin school piece with analog sequences and
vintage-sound-soli
9- JOHN GENTILE 'Liquid quartz' (J. Gentile)
Flying track with synth strings and crystal soli
10- DAVE BREWER 'December Afternoon' (D. Brewer)
Short romantic music with piano solo and background synth
11- EPHEMERIS 'Astronautilus' (Rod Jones)
A happily track with a lot of themes and 80's-like composition and
arrangements
12- GUSTAVO JOBIM 'Morse Codes'
A totally different track ! it's a free jazz improvisation on an electric
organ.
DISC 2
1- DREAM CONSPIRACY 'Dysfunction' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
Stephen Fletcher)
Floating opening followed by drumset and later by cyclic sequences and some
soli.
2- IONIC 'From Gulf to Gulf' (J. Salyers - Patrick Zimmermann - Christophe
Steulet)
Ambient peaceful track with slow sequences and etheral backgrounds.
3- OLYAM 'Asterope I' (Olyam)
Electronic composition with complex arrangement and music theme played on
electric guitar
4- DARKLION & DKTOR STRANGE 'So Good' (Darklion - Dr Strange)
1st collaboration for the project. Cyclic techno-dance sequences with
chords and voice samples Sequences Drumset and samples by darklion (studio
Mirage)
and all overlays by DKTOR STRANGE (Num-R-Ick Studio)
5- TWO ARE ONE 'Love of Life' (Tim Scallon)
A peaceful track with acoustic guitar themes and synth backgrounds
6- DWELLER AT THE THRESHOLD 'World without end' (Paul Ellis - Dave Fulton)
Another berlin school piece with a lot of flying analog sequences and
vintage sounds soli
7- FRED YARGUI 'Sirius Suite' (F. Yargui)
A three part track. Sound sculpture opening quickly followed by a slow
electronic compositions.
8- BRIAN FRICK 'Sequential 97' (B. Frick)
The title speaks by itself. some theme variations on sequences and drumset.
9- SATSUMA NIGHTMARE 'Grating Lobes' (Alan Stocker - Jon Angell)
Another sequenced track with several soli on guitar-like sound and a
TD-like flute sound
10- DARKLION & OLYAM 'Bubble Bells' (Darklion - Olyam)
2nd Collaboration track. Cyclic crystal sequences overlayed by guitar and
synth soli and precussions
Sequences and drumset by Darklion (Studio Mirage)
all overlays, guitars and Percussion by Olyam (Studio Faure)
11- RICHARD FORD 'Another Day' (R.Ford)
A happy track to close the project. Happily Themes on 80's like
composition.
Original Idea : Joel Mullen
Project Management : Yannick Edom
Management Assistants : Ocane and Marine Brenan
Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
All Artworks : Yannick Edom
Visual Concept and Sleeve Design : Darklion
Inner sleeve texts by Darklion, Ocane Brenan and Marine Brenan
Mastering, Processing and Cover Design at Studio Mirage Crations - Toulouse
France
--------------------------------------------------
LATEST CORRECTION
Due to copyrights, the Olyam Track 'Asterope I' is cancelled and will
quickly
be replaced by another one.
'Asterope I' will appears on his further album 'Pleiades' for more
informations about Olyam please contact arcadiamusique@h...
--------------------------------------------------
The preview CDR is ONLY FOR THE MUSICIANS.
They are invited to contact Tom Richmond to get it as he will receive soon
this prerelease.
Here are the credits of this preview
The Dreamwatchers' Tales
Limited Preview CDR
1 NEMESIS Mind Journey
2 BRIAN FRICK Sequential 97
3 DARKLION Desert Line (Dunes Part)
4 DAVE BREWER December Afternoon
5 DKTOR STRANGE Red Ants Love Migration Freq
6 DREAM CONSPIRACY Dysfunction (excerpt)
7 DWELLER AT THE THRESHOLD World Without End
8 EPHEMERIS Astronautilus
9 FRED YARGUI Sirius Suite (excerpt)
10 OLYAM Human part VIII
11 FREE SYSTEM PROJECT Faraday
12 IONIC From Gulf to Gulf
13 OLIVIER BRIAND Prophetic Steps
14 JEFF BERGMAN The Science of Happiness
15 JOHN GENTILE Kindle Awakening
16 NIGHTBIRDS Nouvelles analogies
17 RICHARD FORD Another Day
18 SATSUMA NIGHTMARE Grating Lobes
19 TWO ARE ONE Love of Life
20 GUSTAVO JOBIM Morse Codes
1 music by Ami Hassinen and Jyrki Kastman - copyright Nemesis - appears on
this prerelease only
2 music by Brian Frick -copyright B. Frick - Full version available on the
final project
3 Music by Darklion - copyright Mirage Crations - appears on this
prerelease only
4 Music by Dave Brewer - copyright D. Brewer
5 music by Dktor Strange - copyright sensorial recordings - appears on
this prerelease only
6 music by Matthew Stringer, John Stringer and Stephen Fletcher - copyright
Dream Conspiracy - this part appears on this prerelease only
7 music by Paul Ellis and Dave Fulton - copyright Dweller at the
Threshold - Full version appears on the final project
8 music by Rod Jones - copyright Ephemeris - Full version appears on the
final project
9 music by Frdric Yargui - copyright F. Yargui - appears on this
prerelease only
10 music by Olyam - copyright Arcadia Musique - appears on this prerelease
only
11 music by Marcel Engels - copyright Free System Project - Full version
appears on the final project
12 Music by Jerome Salyers, Patrick Zimmermann and Christophe Steulet -
copyright Ionic - Full version appears on the final project
13 Music by Olivier Briand - copyright O. Briand - appears on this
prerelease only
14 Music by Jeff Bergman copyright J. Bergman - appears on this prerelease
only
15 music by John Gentile - copyright J. Gentile - appears on this prerelease
only
16 Music by R.V. and Blue Maze - copyright Milk - appears on this prerelease
only
17 music by Richard Ford - copyright R. Ford
18 music by Alan Stocker and Jon Angell - copyright Satsuma Nightmare - Full
version appears on the final project
19 music by Tim Scallon - copyright T. Scallon
20 music by Gustavo Jobim - copyright G. Jobim
Original Idea : Joel Mullen
Project Management : Yannick Edom
Management Assistants : Ocane and Marine Brenan
Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
All Artworks : Yannick Edom
Visual Concept and Sleeve Design : Darklion
Mastering, Processing and Cover Design at Studio Mirage Crations - Toulouse
France
Mirage Crations
c/o
Yannick Edom
Champlain B7 A101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 Toulouse
France
e-mails : darklion@h... or yannick.edom@s...
This Project is produced by the Tadream Mailing List members and distributed
as a tree system by Joe Shoults and Tom Richmond.
P 2001 TML Music C 2001 Mirage Crations
Many Thanks to Joel Mullen, Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Ocane and Marine
Brenan, Yannick Edom, every musicians of this project (without them there is
no CD) and all friends from tadream@egroups.com tangerinedream@egroups.com
and goblinsclub@egroups.com
Very special thanks to Tangerine Dream (all line-ups) for the fabulous music
from 1967 'till now.
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This message is followed by another one with the cover of the 2 CDR set.
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Darklion
Ocane Brenan
Marine Brenan
Mirage Crations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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