From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:47 am Subject: I Box Wow! This little set has generated a lot of conversation...I figure that I might as well join the fray...In short, I think it is a good deal for the price. The CDs have a generous running time. Yes there are numerous tracks that appeared on prior discs, but there are several that have not. Some are quite nice, like the more romantic sounding Unicorn Theme, and a track credited to Ralf Wadephul. It is hard to say what the exact origins of the live tracks are. However TD DID tour in support of Optical Race, Lily on the Beach and Melrose (which are the albums most of the live songs are from). As for audience noise, I personally prefer NOT to hear it. Given that much of the sound could be recorded direct to digital, why make use of exterior microphones that would result in inferior sound? It may also be a fore shadowing of TDI's eventual release of these three discs (which I don't think has happened yet). As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just for you, is that 'live'? I would say 'yes'! An artist playing in real time, is a live recording, regardless of the size of the audience. Take LIVEMILES for example... People say it is different from the concert performed in New Mexico, and therefore it isn't really live. Well, what if they DID perform it in New Mexico as a rehearsal before the show? Isn't it still live? Who knows? I am starting to bore myself...haha! As for the missing classic 70s material, I suspect the is one simple reason. TDI probably doesn't own the rights to the music;ie. VIRGIN does. I have spent just as much on three other highly anticipated, very short, and very disappointing CDs by Sade, Enya, and Madonna. In the case of ENYA we waited 5 years for a disc with a running time of less than 35 minutes! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25650 Re: I Box Sean Montgomery Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB 25651 Re: I Box Feldon Feldon Fri 1/12/2001 4 KB 25655 Re: I Box Greg Sat 1/13/2001 5 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:59 pm Subject: Re: i-box >The booklet is indeed very very good, even better than the >Dream Roots Collection booklet. Lots of photos I haven't seen >yet. Similar effect as 20 years ago with the TD 70-80 4LP set. Armin, I agree with you as far as the selection of photos is concerned. But, man, the postage-stamp size of these pictures. And the miniscule white text on black background - headache guaranteed. Not entirely TDs fault, but they shouldn't just design a great LP-size booklet and then reduce it to CD size. Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... Well, guess that just makes me a whiny old geezer ;-) cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25644 Re: i-box Joel S. Mullen Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB 25674 Re: i-box Armin Theissen Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25678 Re: i-box Frank Arellano Mon 1/15/2001 4 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: i-box On Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:00 PM, Klaus Beschorner [SMTP:klaus@c...] wrote: > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25674 Re: i-box Armin Theissen Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB From: joes@f... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: live albums --- In tadream@egroups.com, Chris Richards wrote: > You think it's wrong for bands to use more than > one concert when preparing a live album? I don't no- it's not 'wrong'; I was just commenting on the fact that 'live' doesn't necessarily mean unadulterated and from only one concert. > on Space Ritual, and the Grateful Dead did it on > virtually all over their live albums. So long as Grateful Dead's 'Dick's Picks' series is unadulterated, single concerts, AFAIK From: Tom Richmond Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR project Hello dreamers: This is the first call for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. There are two levels of participation: Branch: one who is able (and willing) to make copies for others Leaf: one who wishes a copy, but is unable to make copies To sign up please send an email with the following information: Name Address City, State, Country email address (if different from where you're sending from) Branch or Leaf status - if you're signing up as a branch, please note how many copies you are willing and able to make to tmrtree@h... Please use this address for all correspondence regarding this project. While I can be reached at the address Yannick noted, I don't think the network administrators would appreciate the additional non-work-related volume on their server. It will be the responsibility of branches and leaves to arrange a trade that is acceptable to both parties. Branches please note that 'blanks plus return postage' MUST be an option. Not everyone has a lot to trade and we want to include everyone who's interested. I'll be accepting sign-ups for about two weeks. After all sign-ups are in (I'll post a reminder or two...) I'll be organizing two trees, one for North America and one for Europe. If you're not in either area, sign up anyway, we'll make sure you're taken care of. Any questions, email me at the above address. Cheers everybody! P.S. Special thanks to Yannick, Joe and anyone else involved with making this project a reality! ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: RE: Track credits Hartopp wrote: >Certainly, during the CF years, no matter who composed what track on >each album, it was always given a group credit, only sometimes the order >of composer would differ Notably on the 70-80 box. Certainly one of the most interesting examples of what each of the members of the classic lineup contibuted with to the overall sound-picture. There is the unmistakable Froese track with guitarr, the rhytmic piece of Francke and the lovely short Baumann track which is as good a proof as any of what his sense of melody meant to TD. /Olle From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! Thank you to everyone involved in putting this thing together, it's shaping up to be very interesting indeed. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Hello everyone on the List > > First happy new year 2001. The new Millenium will see the CDR project now > titled 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25649 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Richard Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES In message <01011216442003.08910@z...>, Matthew Stringer writes >It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! I have the same feeling about mine. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box Michael A Jean wrote: > As for audience noise, I personally prefer NOT to hear it. True enough. The whole reason why so many fans want TD to release live material in the first place is because bootleg recordings have an *abundance* of crowd noise. Coughing, talking, whooping and hollering. But the whole point of putting out a live album is to a) give fans who couldn't make it to the show an idea of what they missed...and b) to give fans who were there a document of the experience. Consequently, a track like 'Dreamyard' fails on both counts. And yes, so does Livemiles. But at least Livemiles featured previously-unreleased music (and good music at that). Repackaging already available studio recordings, and suckering fans into buying them by calling them 'live' is just shameless. Look, TD obviously knows that live tapes of their shows are in the fan community, so why do they expect to fool people? > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > for you, is that 'live'? Now you're sounding like a lawyer, Mr. Jean. Should we start calling Mars Polaris, Stratofear and Le Parc 'live' albums? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box >From: 'Michael A Jean' > >It is hard to say what the exact origins of the live tracks are. Well, members on the list who have commented so far have heard pretty much every live concert either in person or on tape during the years inclusive in i-Box. So except for the 'studio live' which you mention, these tracks can't be considered truly live except for a few tracks such as Longing for Cashba (I've got the 1990 tape it's from and I can say it's for real). >As for audience noise, I >personally prefer NOT to hear it. Given that much of the sound could be >recorded direct to digital, why make use of exterior microphones that would >result in inferior sound? That's funny. I've always found myself enjoying the ambience of these concert halls and and audience noise. While most of the tapes I have could be in a lot clearer shape, I don't think there is a major hit by audience noise being allowed to overlap the music, even for the first 30 seconds or so. And I have to tell you, EVERY track from Exit that has been performed live has been so much more interesting than the album versions it's unreal. >Take LIVEMILES for example... People say it is different from the concert >performed in New Mexico, and therefore it isn't really live. Well, what if >they DID perform it in New Mexico as a rehearsal before the show? Well that's the joke. They must have had an unbelieveable 35 minute rehearsal, playing 1 song that wouldn't be played live DURING a concert until 1988, and another song that never got played live. And also, track 3 of the Alberquerque was never played that at that speed, and always led into the 1986 Logos-Blue rewrite. So it could be POSSIBLE that it was played that night. The bottom line is anyone who attended that concert and then bought the CD didn't have 1 nanosecond of their memories of the concert etched on the CD. And the Spanish introduction was just an insult. I wonder how much they paid someone to act up that part. And I agree with the comments about Edgar dodging Chris Franke tracks in a prior post. It'll take a lot to disprove this theory with me. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out those dusty ole tapes... ;) j.gordon --- Richard wrote: > In message <01011216442003.08910@z...>, Matthew Stringer > writes > >It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! > > I have the same feeling about mine. > -- > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25653 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Richard Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES In message <20010112195606.6632.qmail@w...>, j.gordon writes >I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out >those dusty ole tapes... ;) I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES It's probably true though :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard' To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > In message <20010112195606.6632.qmail@w...>, j.gordon > writes > >I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out > >those dusty ole tapes... ;) > > I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. > -- > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: 'Tadreamonelist' Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: [tadream] I Box > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > for you, is that 'live'? I would say 'yes'! An artist playing in real time, > is a live recording, regardless of the size of the audience. > MJ I have to disagree.. studio albums are often recorded in tracks.. mixed.. messed with.. etc. There is only so much three (or two) people can do at any one given time.. *if* they don't have giga-samplers with their own pre-recorded tunes ready to be mixed. Now we can draw the line between when TD actually played concerts and just hit play in more modern concerts. Without a doubt I think TD could perform 'live' a studio track today exactly as its studio original.. but with use of numerous hard drives, samplers and MIDI. But if we are talking about a performance 13 or 14 years ago, we have to look at the characteristics of the band, did they play exactly like the studio material? What about concert tapes - do live versions of material exist that sound exactly studio original? Did they have technology that allowed for studio sound duplication? Was the material created for or designed to be properly performed in a way that would match the studio creation? The thing I'm getting at here is the inevitability that one will call studio work live simply because it's electronic music - digital music thus being performed everywhere live by those who have the digital duplicates. The band can appear, make themselves look busy, but push out the same exact tune on the CD you just bought 5 months before. In all honesty, I think that's why electronic music isn't so huge in America, people like performance, shows, variety.. they are huge quick-gratification freaks (I know, I live here!). TD hasn't slumped that low of yet.. as long as they have the guitar, there will be some variation. Also they usually add some 'live texture' to the music with some MIDI percussion and sound effects. Live used to ultimately refer to an artist who can perform music in front of an audience in such a way that it is entertaining and shows the talent of the artist. Bit it also creates a pressure situation on the artist, sometimes causing errors in playing. About the only problems TD has these days is blown speakers, technical problems, and power outages. Live music used to take away that studio polish.. and this polish is what I still hear in the so called 'live' versions of those tracks on the iBox. The day we pay to hear TD CDs at a TD concert just for the big sound system is the day I think I'll give up on the band. You can only stretch what the word live means so far. Greg H. NP: i-Mac.. oops.. I mean i-Box AKA (a Microsoft PC) heh From: keri.ford@p... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Hi There, I was surfing the net for Tangerine Dream album reviews and finding very little when I came across this discussion group which I thought might be able to help me. I first got into Tangerine Dream ages ago listenning to my brothers copy of Phaedra, subsegquently I got Rubycon, Ricochet, Tangram, 70-80 & Zeit. These were all on vinyl. This was music from outer space from the distant reaches of the mind, reaching down into the heart of the creative nature to return with strange jewel like dreams beautiful beyond ones wildest hopes. Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people recommend, I would like representative works from all the different periods of the Dream. If anyone can point me to a site of good comprehensive online TD reviews that would be great too. Ciao Borris From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Tangerine Dream story Hi all, Well, Heiko Heerssen and myself have at last finished a readable version of that very long 28 page biography which you have all been dying to see, it's at the following address under the 'Aktuelle' button: http://www.germanrock.de/ And they very generously offered us both a CD for our trouble! Paul From: keri.ford@p... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: Newbie wanting TD reviews Hi There, I was surfing the net for Tangerine Dream album reviews and finding very little when I came across this discussion group which I thought might be able to help me. I first got into Tangerine Dream ages ago listenning to my brothers copy of Phaedra, subsegquently I got Rubycon, Ricochet, Tangram, 70-80 & Zeit. These were all on vinyl. This was music from outer space from the distant reaches of the mind, reaching down into the heart of the creative nature to return with strange jewel like dreams beautiful beyond ones wildest hopes. Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people recommend, I would like representative works from all the different periods of the Dream. If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online TD reviews that would be great. Ciao Borris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25662 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Gustavo Jobim Mon 1/15/2001 4 KB 25664 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Jared White Mon 1/15/2001 5 KB 25680 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Frank Arellano Tue 1/16/2001 5 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] I Box Hi all, A lot of people seem to think that they are being cheated with the album 'LiveMiles' because it's nothing like the original live concert. Well, here's why: Regarding 'LiveMiles' it has to be said however that contrary to the bootleg recording it does not correspond to the original concert in Berlin. For legal reasons Tangerine Dream could not release the whole concert, but had to cut out some sections due to legal reasons. As Edgar explained in a 1989 interview: 'not only unreleased material was played during the live concerts. As we often do, things were also played which appeared as parts of official releases. Music which sometimes has been locked away in the safes of the film production companies, partially on records, which are difficult to obtain, etc. For the release of LiveMiles we had to use certain sequences and sections which were legally available to us. We had to make a lot of compromises. In this case we were particularly sad about it because there was so much atmosphere here which we wanted to put on record. But we had to cut bits out, change sequences and do remixes in order to remain within the legal framework.' There's your answer, and hopefully the peasants will be a bit less revolting as a result (we can always live in hope, anyway)! By the way, I think it's a great album on its own merit, I don't care how it was made or where it came from, it's already pretty impressive considering it was 'patched together' at a later date... Paul From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:13 pm Subject: TD albums Borris should get I've just recently started getting into TD again bigtime after first being introduced to them years ago. I am mainly a fan of their older stuff, so I would recommend going to that shop and getting Green Desert asap. Other must-haves (IMO) not on your list are Poland (1984), Logos (1982) and Stratosfear (1976). mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Hey, I have a website with electronic music reviews, including TD. Some may call them 'alternative' reviews..... Due to some people here being pissed of at me (not that I care) I wont 'spam' the list with the URL again but contact me in private if you want to know, Borris (or was it Keri?) glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25666 SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Glenn Folkvord Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews > From: keri.ford@p... >In a shop handy to me >there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, >Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream >Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people >recommend, I would like representative works from all the >different periods of the Dream. From the first years (70-73), you already have a good album, which is Zeit. Many people hate it but I like it a lot, because it's a fantastic space-ambient album. I rarely play it though. Alpha Centauri is the best album from that period, with the best track from that period which is the second one, Fly And Collision of Comas Sola. Franke's drumming is very good in there. I wouldn't recommend Electronic Meditation; it's their first one, it's a rehearsal recorded in 69, very very experimental. And not so electronic. From the Virgin years (74-83), you have some of the best. I would also recommend Encore (77), their second live album, which is good because it has all their styles from 71 to 76. White Eagle (82) is another great album, a bit like Hyperborea but better. Le Parc (85) is one of my favourites, as is Poland (84). Le Parc has a very good blend of rhythmic and melodic tracks. I consider Lily on the Beach (89) quite similar to Le Parc in that way, although it sounds a bit more uniform than Le Parc and has a few unnecessary tracks. Lily has some of my favourite tracks like Valley of the Kings, Crystal Curfew and Too Hot For My Chinchilla. Underwater Sunlight (86) and Le Parc (85), IMO, are just like Hyperborea (83) and White Eagle (82): the second is good, but the first is better. Und.Sun. has great tracks. My favourite are the first one (Song of the Whale part one) and the first of side B (Dolphin Dance). Another very good album is 220 Volt Live (92). Another anjoyable one from the 90s is Tyranny of Beauty (95), although after the first two or three tracks it begins to sound too uniform for me; each track begins to sound just like the previous one. I play Tyranny as rarely as Zeit. You can read lots of reviews searching the list's files at the egroups site, just search for the album name between brackets, like [Zeit], and you should find lots of them. We had scheduled weekly album discussions,which ended some time in November/early December. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: TD video clips While browsing germanrock.de, I somehow got to inet-tv.net web site (famous for it's solar eclipse video with TD music) and noticed that there are other TD clips too. The following are from the Oasis video, but there's also some added commentary about the nature scenes. Flashflood http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis01.smil Waterborne http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis02.smil Summer Storm http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis03.smil And here's the real treat, nine minutes of clips from TD's April 18, 1997 concert http://inet-tv.net/inet/ramfiles/tdlive.ram Anybody know if there's a videotape of the concert circling around somewhere? Regards, Harri From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Hi, Borris, Welcome to the wild and woolly world of TD fans! > Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to > decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that > would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, > Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also > greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of > the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me > there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, > Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream > Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people > recommend, I would like representative works from all the > different periods of the Dream. Optical Race, Le Parc, and Dream Mixes I are very good landmark albums to buy if you're still getting a feel for TD's various styles. Optical Race was the first album TD made after Chris Franke left, and it was the beginning of a new epoch in TD history. Le Parc was made several years before and was the last album to feature the talents of Johannes Schmoelling. Dream Mixes I came out in 1995 featuring Jerome Froese's new dance sensibilities that took TD's then-current output to a new level. A few more albums I'd heartily recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). Whatever you do, stay away from Hollywood Years! A worst collection of 'music' from TD you can't find anywhere, IMHO! > If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online > TD reviews that would be great. Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... Another site to try is Synth Music Direct ( http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ), but they seem fixated on 70's/80's TD clones, so their TD reviews aren't always very useful either (since modern TD is pretty different from the older material). Hope that helps, Jared From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:16 am Subject: 'Live' recordings I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine them to be. In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' recording of the Shostakovich fifth symphony in Tokyo (1979) while on that tour. I have that (analogue) recording, and one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than ideal, or audience participation was excessive, and the subsequent incorporation of the same music from (presumably) rehearsals for the concert. One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, let alone the i-Box tracks. For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD concerts are error-free anyway. Food for thought? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25667 Re: 'Live' recordings Patrik . Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25671 Re: 'Live' recordings Matthew Sawyer Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25675 Re: 'Live' recordings David Foster Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25676 Re: 'Live' recordings Feldon Feldon Mon 1/15/2001 7 KB 25677 Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Robert Grabowsky Mon 1/15/2001 2 KB 25685 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 11 KB 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25681 Re: 'Live' recordings John Marchington Tue 1/16/2001 10 KB 25682 Re: 'Live' recordings Patrik . Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:36 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Jared, >Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, >I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know >that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review >site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is >http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that >Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on >things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD >is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... None taken :-) There are two of us that reviews on that site; Loren is usually more positive towards TD than me..... Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (oops, there it is) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Yes, maybe we should refer to them as 'live' recordings. Were Poland polished? *s* Were Logos also 'enhanced'? Personally, I prefer live recordings with all the flaws and wrong notes, but since we´re in the era of the Steinbergs, I guess all wrong notes have eliminated themselves, so to speak. Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? If it´s live then it should be live! imho Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box / Live > > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > > for you, is that 'live'? > > Now you're sounding like a lawyer, Mr. Jean. Should we start calling Mars > Polaris, Stratofear and Le Parc 'live' albums? whoops, wait a second... i'd have to say that michael's got a point... let's assume that an e-music band, say with three members, works on a piece, rehearses it a few times, gets some ideas of melody and chord structure, then goes into the studio and lays down the track straight in one take, only the three different keyboards and say, a drum machine for support... to my way of thinking, this is live... even if the wrong note here and there is edited out... as long as no more tracks are laid down, and mastering is minimal... someone said 'live' used to mean in front of an audience, but i would say, from experience, that if you are playing something without the safety net of stopping and editing, esp. if what you are playing contains new material, the people playing it are as much an audience, and in fact, can often enjoy it more than an audience member... merriam-webster defines live (in this case, the adverbial form) as: at the actual time of occurrence... so we can get hung up on semantics or we can look at the different perspectives: most bands take the opportunity when performing in concert to be creative with their music, usually with new intros or outros, or a new bridge or most often, with the solos... if a band decides to perform songs that completely reproduce what is on the album, then you end up with the perspective that someone mentioned earlier: you are basically paying money to hear the CD on a bigger stereo system with lots of other people... the band, IMO, loses the chance to play around with some of their music... the feeling i get from most of the comlaints about the music being live is that it's not different from what is on the album... that somehow, by being played in front of an audience, it should have something else that the album version doesn't... and that is totally an artistic choice... flame on, boys... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: live albums If you look at the PF web site it tells you exactly what was used. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, you wrote: > << was about to comment on the album Pulse, but I > > can't remember if PF merged the tracks together > that were from different shows to make them seem > like they were from the same show - or not. Not > quite as egregious as a studio with crowd > overdubs, of course, but it came to mind. I'm > thinking back to live albums from the past: did > my Kiss Alive album say the songs were from > different venues or not? etc.>> > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Ossiach live 3 LP at eBAY Hello hunters and collectors, my copy of 'OSSIACH LIVE' (3 lp set) is now waiting for your bids at eBAY (in Mint- condition!) The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1404304023 This auction has a reserve price. Heiko From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings From: John Marchington > I cannot believe that TD concerts are error-free anyway. They certainly aren't. Comparing Pergamon and the bootleg version of the concert, I much prefer the official release. In the bootleg, the piano section at the beginning sounds 'cheesier' for some reason, and there are sections where wrong notes are played and the music threatens to fall apart a little. On the subject of doctoring the music, yes, TD have always altered live recording for release. I think the difference is that today, Edgar is trying to 'clean up' old performances by placing 'newer' music onto it. Soundmill, for example. The original concert and the new material added to it are 25 years apart. They don't sit together well. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: What ever happen to... Does anybody have an e-mail address for Lars Jones? Just wondering whatever happened to him. Please e-mail me offlist if you have an e- mail and don't think he would mind you giving it out. Thanks and much appreciated! From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: first reminder - Dreamwatcher's Tales CDR tree Hello dreamers: This is the first reminder for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. I have 23 sign-ups so far, and it seems that everyone in Europe wants to be a branch. Are there any leaves out there? Sign-ups will be open for a couple weeks, but I thought I'd post a reminder to make sure everyone was aware as soon as possible. So here's the scoop again... 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If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: Re: i-box I own a very very nice re-release of John Coltrane's 'Blue Train' (yes, I love jazz) which is an 'enhanced' CD: stick it into your PC and you have BIG beautiful high rez pictures even better than those on LP sleeves and even MOVIES! Now that would be something nice to do for TD..... armin > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Patrik says > Personally, I prefer live recordings with all the flaws and wrong notes, but > since we´re in the era of the Steinbergs, I guess all wrong notes have > eliminated themselves, so to speak. I agree with most of what you say but there are some times when the bum notes just spoil it. I am referring in particular to the Fassbender memorial concert. > Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? Whether it is live or not I think its a great recording. I was surprised it came out near to Tyger and sounded similar. But I will play Livemiles any time over Tyger. David From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings >From: 'John Marchington' > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and >can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine >them to be. > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour >which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' >recording ... [where] one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the >opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of >moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than >ideal >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its >live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', >'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, >let alone the i-Box tracks. > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened >doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's >impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, >poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become >increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD >concerts are error-free anyway. UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I keep seeing this argument. John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar took concert tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings of different songs, edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 Concert Series' for example. This is WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink poodle revisionist fluffery. People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts together. We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at least this (and labeled it as such). Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert for which no tape exists). Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the afternoon show on CD. :( And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master tapes 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 from the White Eagle master tapes. 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices in the bootleg world). It contains: 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, counter to the spirit of the original music. 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively taking the 2nd step). 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played in 1982? Your Leonard Bernstein 70's series may not appease the fans hoping for a single recording of a favorite show they attended, but it damn well represents REAL Leonard Bernstein music from the 1970's. Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25677 Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Robert Grabowsky Mon 1/15/2001 2 KB 25685 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 11 KB 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Attention Martin of the Tangerine Dream homepage: Can you get any comments from Edgar on all of the comments that have been made about these recordings? Maybe as to why he does this. Does it involve copyright problems? I think it is about time we hear it from the source as I am getting tired of hearing people complaining. Enough is Enough, THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert Grabowsky From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i-box Armin, I delved into my first Froese solo, 'Pinnacles and enjoyed it. In particular the first track, which I thought was excellent. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: i-box > > I own a very very nice re-release of John Coltrane's 'Blue Train' > (yes, I love jazz) which is an 'enhanced' CD: stick it into your > PC and you have BIG beautiful high rez pictures even better than > those on LP sleeves and even MOVIES! > > Now that would be something nice to do for TD..... > > armin > > > > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:10 am Subject: about Goblins' Club Re: [tadream] Digest Number 764 >A few more albums I'd heartily >recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars >Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, >and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). I wouldn't be sure about Goblins' Club. It has its moments, like the first track and the one called Rising Haul in Silence, but I find most of the music there quite forgettable. I rarely play this album, and when I do, I never play the whole CD. I get bored before. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Welcome back Jared. It appears that I have picked up the torch where you left it on our other list. Don't mind the scars around my wrists, ankles, back and chest. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jared White' To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wantthat would be something nice to do for TD..... > > armin > > > > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:10 am Subject: about Goblins' Club Re: [tadream] Digest Number 764 >A few more albums I'd heartily >recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars >Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, >and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). I wouldn't be sure about Goblins' Club. It has its moments, like the first track and the one called Rising Haul in Silence, but I find most of the music there quite forgettable. I rarely play this album, and when I do, I never play the whole CD. I get bored before. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Welcome back Jared. It appears that I have picked up the torch where you left it on our other list. Don't mind the scars around my wrists, ankles, back and chest. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jared White' To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews > Hi, Borris, > > Welcome to the wild and woolly world of TD fans! > > > > Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to > > decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that > > would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, > > Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also > > greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of > > the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me > > there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, > > Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream > > Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people > > recommend, I would like representative works from all the > > different periods of the Dream. > > Optical Race, Le Parc, and Dream Mixes I are very good landmark albums to > buy if you're still getting a feel for TD's various styles. Optical Race was > the first album TD made after Chris Franke left, and it was the beginning of > a new epoch in TD history. Le Parc was made several years before and was the > last album to feature the talents of Johannes Schmoelling. Dream Mixes I > came out in 1995 featuring Jerome Froese's new dance sensibilities that took > TD's then-current output to a new level. A few more albums I'd heartily > recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars > Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, > and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). > > Whatever you do, stay away from Hollywood Years! A worst collection of > 'music' from TD you can't find anywhere, IMHO! > > > If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online > > TD reviews that would be great. > > Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, > I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know > that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review > site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is > http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that > Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on > things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD > is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... > > Another site to try is Synth Music Direct > ( http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ), but they seem fixated on 70's/80's TD > clones, so their TD reviews aren't always very useful either (since modern > TD is pretty different from the older material). > > Hope that helps, > > Jared > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Thanks for your comments, Feldon. I've never complained -- at least musically -- about any of the so-called live recordings discussed by you below and I enjoy them all in varying degrees. I do have quite serious reservations about the recording of 'Encore', however, which I have never thought was particularly well managed, with numerous changes to sound levels in places. The remastered version is particularly bad in that regard. Maybe rehearsals were dubbed in and level matching wasn't carried out as accurately as it should have been. I suspect that live recordings will always polarise members of this list. There have already been some who have stated that they wouldn't mind the wrong notes, late entries etc they remember hearing, probably because those mistakes conjure up memories of a generally happy occasion for them and they would be hearing part of a concert they attended -- unadulterated. Others, like me, feel quite differently. (Sadly, as I've mentioned before, I've never heard the band live). I recall hearing a broadcast many years ago of a concert given in the Royal Festival Hall. The Philharmonia Orchestra was conducted by Sir Adrian Boult and the work was the Vaughan Williams 6th symphony. The playing, from one of London's top orchestras under a conductor who knew the work like the back of his hand, was dreadful. There were horn and trumpet fluffs galore, ragged string playing -- you name it. Sir Adrian was very old by this time and one must assume that he no longer had the ability to maintain discipline within the ranks. Those present at the concert must have been cringing. Had that broadcast been issued as a recording, I'm positive nobody would ever have bought it, or those who had without hearing it first would probably have returned it to the shop after the first or second playing. While we undoubtedly all have different levels of tolerance, there are surely limits to it! One thing buying the i-Box set is doing for me is making me appreciate TD's more recent work, which I've never really cared for till now. I immediately went and got out 'Melrose' and played it right through -- and thoroughly enjoyed it for the first time. I must try 'Lily on the Beach', 'Tyranny of Beauty' and 'Goblin's Club' again. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and > >can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine > >them to be. > > > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour > >which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' > >recording ... [where] one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the > >opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of > >moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than > >ideal > > >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its > >live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', > >'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, > >let alone the i-Box tracks. > > > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened > >doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's > >impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the > >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, > >poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become > >increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD > >concerts are error-free anyway. > > UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > > I keep seeing this argument. > > John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar took concert > tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings of different songs, > edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 > Concert Series' for example. This is WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink > poodle revisionist fluffery. > > People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts together. > We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at least this (and > labeled it as such). > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts which are in > fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', > 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least > a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert > for which no tape exists). > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is > mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE > (same equipment). > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it > skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased > material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely > improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of > the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the > Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute > sides (vinyl!). > > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what > was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the > afternoon show on CD. :( > > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. > > > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, and > Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be nice if Edgar > would release the rest of the pieces from these concerts, especially the ~12 > hours of unreleased 1977 material which SHOULD have no copyright issues > unless Virgin has an unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in > the contract. > > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a > 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared > on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master > tapes > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 from the > White Eagle master tapes. > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. > > > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, Australia > 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices in the bootleg > world). It contains: > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% volume and > then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, counter to the spirit of > the original music. > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 minute track) > and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without the guitar, it's a boring > track so I don't blame him for reactively taking the 2nd step). > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. > > > Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played in 1982? > > Your Leonard Bernstein 70's series may not appease the fans hoping for a > single recording of a favorite show they attended, but it damn well > represents REAL Leonard Bernstein music from the 1970's. > > > Morgan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings David wrote: >I agree with most of what you say but there are some times when the bum >notes just spoil it. I am referring in particular to the Fassbender >memorial concert. > > Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? >Whether it is live or not I think its a great recording. I was surprised it came out near to Tyger and sounded similar. But I will play Livemiles any time over Tyger. ------------------------- I haven´t played Fassbinder Memorial since 1989 when I got my first CD, mine is 12' vinyl, what are we talking about here? Notes out of key, or? Regarding Livemiles; of course it´s a great recording, it´s a studio product! :-))) Regards Patrik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: '3N' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Hello! (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records on real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very precisely and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, synthesators, guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create music like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, all material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. Old Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me very disgusting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least > a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert > for which no tape exists). Wrong. Richochet ONLY bases on ideas from british tour in autumn 75, but all material for this recor TD has rerecording in studio! > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is > mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE > (same equipment). Wrong. Encore has ONE track taken from UStour - this is Monolight from Washington performance (from WGTB radio tapes and without any overdubs in sounds). Cherooke bases on many ideas from concerts again, but it is rerecord in studio ;))). CWC and DD never were played on live performace! > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it > skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased > material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely > improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of > the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the > Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute > sides (vinyl!). Sorry... But Poland was record in Amber studio. From polish concert on this albus is only Kordowicz's announcment. In Poland TD has played Poland's material complete differently. I know, because I was on these concerts in december 83 and I have them on my tapes (and of course on CDR ;)) ). In interview published in december 84 in polish NonStop Froese has confess that Franke and Schmoelling corrected in studio majority of parts. > > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what > was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the > afternoon show on CD. :( Why?? I have it on CD. > > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. You're right! [CUT] > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a > 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared > on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master > tapes No! MojavePlan (and most tracks on 5th CD) is not from master studio tape! It's from tape, that was prepared for Australian tour in 82. This tape was played as BAGROUND of live performace (not live sequencers!). This technology TD was make from autumn 80. Tracks from 5th CD of i-box was produced for American tour in 88. Do you realy don't hear any differences from origanal albums??? Und so waiter ;))) regards JerzyK PS. I'm fan from Poland. I am fan, big fan since 78, when I heard for first time Cyclone, Encore, Stratosfear and Ricochet. This music always was and is for me lovely and timeless. And I like Rubycon, Phaedra, Atem, Zeit, AlphaCentauri, ForceMajeure, Tangram too. But I hate TD's music from 90th years, but I have it ;))). From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. I'm a bit bummed with 'i-box' after having listen to it several times through. Oh well. I'll set it aside and pick it up later, perhaps finding a gem or two at that future time. Such is often the case: So I popped in the 'Dream Roots' collection for a listen. I'd not played this set for some time. CD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... Wow! I was reintroduced to 'Valley of the Sun' again. Very 'Franke.' Great track. Also enjoyed 'Vanishing Blue.' So here is my question: After (admittedly limited) research of net-based discographies, I could not find other variations of either of these tracks on other CDs. Do they exist? (For example, I've heard more than one version of 'Silver Scale,' another of my favorites.) 'Tangentized' or otherwise, I'd love to explore them if they do in fact exist. On a side note: 1. Has the recent radio interview been fully (and cleanly) translated from German and posted to a web page? 2. Always hoping that TD will tour again. One would think that Los Angeles would offer sufficient 'critical mass.' Quite a variety of venues, of various sizes. From the 'Pink Floyd'-sized Rose Bowl (gak, there were a lot of bodies there!!), to more intimate houses (down to 'The Whiskey' and other clubs). The LA basin itself has about 12 million people, but a concert there draws from potential audiences in most western states, maybe 50 million souls or so? Gotta be some fans in that pile. I always enjoy this LIST, mostly in Lurker Mode. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25687 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Sean Montgomery Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25728 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Gabe Yedid Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB 25731 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Sean Montgomery Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings > In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with > >interest and can report that such recordings are by no means > >always as one might imagine them to be. > > > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York > >Philharmonic on tour which included Japan, and Columbia > >(now Sony) made a so-called 'live' recording ... [where] one > >can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the opening and > >slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out > >of moments where the producer felt that the playing was > >perhaps less than ideal > > > >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar > >approach to its live recordings in the past -- and I'm > >thinking of the original 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', > >'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, > >let alone the i-Box tracks. > > > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering > >might have happened doesn't in any way detract from my > >enjoyment of the music, or one's impressions of the > >band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the > >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that > >wrong notes, poor playing or other mistakes in recorded > >performances can become increasingly annoying with repeated > >hearings, and I cannot believe that TD concerts are > >error-free anyway. > > UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > > I keep seeing this argument. Perhaps that is because there are people in the world who are just as intelligent as you are, but who think differently. > John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar > took concert tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings > of different songs, edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY > as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 Concert Series' for example. This is > WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink poodle revisionist fluffery. Yep. It'd be great if we'd get 'virgin' intended) concert releases from the golden era. Maybe it'll happen one day. Not everyone on this list, however, excoriates the modern additions to the shows that have been released-no matter how much some rant about it. > People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts > together. We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at > least this (and labeled it as such). > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. 'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that petition drive.... A dangerous word there, 'impressions'. That word implies subjectivity and works both for the listener *and* the creator. Perhaps these releases are intended as *his* impressions of what *he* was feeling/thinking at the time. Of course, this does not explain _The Perth Tapes_...or does it? However, I do concede the point that some of us (myself included to a degree) wish for undoctored shows and are in that respect justifiably upset about what has been released. But it is a vain and fruitless anger bordering on hypocrasy if when you purchase it you *know* that they are not the actual shows. For those who stand by their convictions and refrain from purchasing these items; points for logical consistency. But then your complaints become those of the 'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' whine variety that *all* fans engage in from time to time to no real result. > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from > at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single > recording of a concert for which no tape exists). Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs (notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great *impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that > is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE > VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). Ummmm...more than studio dustings, I'm afraid. 'Desert Dream' is basically a studio creation. It's based on various studio sessions (including the _Oedips Tyrannus_ material) the band had lying around. All of the remaining tracks have studio work on them as well, though they are faithful *impressions* of actual tracks performed live. > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and > other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and > Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end > of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and > Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. _Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert > fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). _Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty > close to what was played, some is purely studio work, and of > course we'll never have the afternoon show on CD. :( Pt. 1-Fairly faithful to the first half of the second set, with edits, studio dustings and punch-ins. Pt. 2-Studio creation loosely based on some of the ideas in the second halves of both sets. And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most likely culprit here (as usual.) > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. Don't get me started on this again (although 'Caspian Sea' and 'Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale' are fairly accurate *impressions* of two themes from the Berlin show.) > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, > and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be > nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these > concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material > which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an > unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, including material performed that has not been released. > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's > definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth > 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White > Eagle master tapes > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 > from the White Eagle master tapes. > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. Did some of you actually listen to this disc? The correct order (and source!) of the tracks is as follows: 1) 'Snake Bath' source (twice as long and different from _Kamikaze 89_) 2) 'Cryo Lab' bridge from the Freidenskonziert with 'Specific Gravity of Smile' 3) 'Convention of the 24' obscured by overdubs (now *there's* a title...:)) 4) 'Mojave Plan' studio version with poorly edited intro If you're going to offer a critique, then please at least get the details right first. It helps to present a stronger argument that way. > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, > Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices > in the bootleg world). It contains: > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% > volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, > counter to the spirit of the original music. > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 > minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without > the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively > taking the 2nd step). > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. *sigh* Again from the top: 1) *NO* new material intro; it starts as the concert did with just a *slight* change in the opening chord 2) The enitre concert (see below for exception) as performed with some of the overdubs forward prescence due to the difference in timbre, *not* 'turned down to 60% volume'. 2) 'Bondi Parade' has the guitar solo removed and the last 3+ mins. changed to a modern ending. > Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played > in 1982? If by accuracy you mean 'as performed'-then obviously not. But by the *impression* standard you opened your polemic with-then _Sohoman_-yes; Perth-no (with a small caveat.) I'm surprised you left out _Soundmill Navigator_, though. But you already know what my *impression* of that one is, don't you? goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowki II' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Hello! > (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) > > But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records on > real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very precisely > and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, synthesators, > guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create music > like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very > dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, all > material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. Old > Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me very > disgusting. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25697 Re: 'Live' recordings Lord Rayden Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25715 Re: 'Live' recordings Bag Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Wow! I was reintroduced to 'Valley of the Sun' again. Very 'Franke.' Great > track. Also enjoyed 'Vanishing Blue.' > > So here is my question: > > After (admittedly limited) research of net-based discographies, I could not > find other variations of either of these tracks on other CDs. Do they exist? Nope. The tracks on disc 5 of Dream Roots are truly unreleased. They were composed during the latter part of 1985, after Johannes left the band but before Paul joined. They had been shelved for over a decade. And yeah, Valley of the Sun is a really good piece, a must for fans of mid-80s TD. Silver Scale was a piece written for TDs 1980-81 live shows. The first three minutes of it appeared on the Wavelength soundtrack, under the title 'Church Theme'. But a complete version of the original piece has yet to be released in official form (The version on Tangents had some overdubbing). Apart from Tangents, it also appeared on the 'Valentine Wheels' live CD, but this version was performed in 1997, and doesn't have the richness and warmth of the original (IMO). TDI could really mend relations with the fans if they'd put out an undoctored 1981 concert on disc. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Patrick wrote > I haven´t played Fassbinder Memorial since 1989 when I got my first CD, mine > is 12' vinyl, what are we talking about here? Notes out of key, or? > > Regarding Livemiles; of course it´s a great recording, it´s a studio > product! :-))) We are talking bum note and off key in a crucial part of the music. Apart from that good David From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25692 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 2 KB 25700 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Michael A Jean Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25693 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Glynn Naughton Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25694 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Glynn Naughton Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25708 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB 25696 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire James Williams Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25701 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Patrik . Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings goozer said: > Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was > edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs > (notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great > *impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. I'm sure that when Ricochet was released it was made known that this wasn't a straight-forward concert album but rather an album edited together from various concerts. Whether this fact was mentioned in advertising, press releases or interviews I don't know/can't remember, but I do remember thinking at the time that it seemed a pretty weird way of releasing a live album. Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk/ http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > >'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material >that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where >exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio >additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost >*NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that >petition drive.... The word Fraud applies to Sohoman, which is 20% Edgar solo, Soundmill Navigator, which is over 30% Edgar solo, and the aforementioned Perth which is over 35% Edgar solo and the rest studio work. At this rate, the next 'concert album' will be 50% Edgar solo with a track from Destination Berlin mixed in to give it that TD flair. Zoning is also fraudulent, in that it doesn't share a single note in common with the 1987 soundtrack for the film (for which I finally have a CDR). Don't you find the labeling of Sohoman offensive? >But it is a vain and fruitless >anger bordering on hypocrasy if when you purchase it you *know* that >they are not the actual shows. For those who stand by their >convictions and refrain from purchasing these items; points for >logical consistency. But then your complaints become those of the >'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' whine variety that *all* fans >engage in from time to time to no real result. I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from > > at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single > > recording of a concert for which no tape exists). > >Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was >edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs >(notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great >*impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. Ech. I forgot it was labeled and presented as Live. Well, I can blame Edgar for recent transgressions, but I guess we have to put it on all the band members (assuming they got involved) for Logos, Ricochet and Encore. > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that > > is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE > > VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). > >Ummmm...more than studio dustings, I'm afraid. 'Desert Dream' is >basically a studio creation. It's based on various studio >sessions (including the _Oedips Tyrannus_ material) the band had >lying around. All of the remaining tracks have studio work on them as >well, though they are faithful *impressions* of actual tracks >performed live. Ok. > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and > > other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and > > Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end > > of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and > > Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > >_Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set >opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something every day! > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert > > fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). > >_Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the >aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit >between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been >corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. Agreed on the Poland-Tangent bridge. I didn't know it was reperformed. I do know that the Poland track mutated quite a bit through 1983, as featured on a Tokyo 83 tape I have. Poland on there has mushroomed to 28 minutes. Honestly, the Warsaw (studio if you will) version is more polished. The same can be said for anyone who has heard the Logos intro as it was played in late 1981. It was 10 minutes before they whittled it down to the polished 5 1/2 minute version on Logos and any other fall 1982 concert. >And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who >believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most >likely culprit here (as usual.) Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? > > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, > > and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be > > nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these > > concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material > > which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an > > unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, >including material performed that has not been released. So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? > > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's > > definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth > > 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: > > > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White > > Eagle master tapes > > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 > > from the White Eagle master tapes. > > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. > >Did some of you actually listen to this disc? The correct order (and >source!) of the tracks is as follows: >1) 'Snake Bath' source (twice as long and different from >_Kamikaze 89_) >2) 'Cryo Lab' bridge from the Freidenskonziert with >'Specific Gravity of Smile' >3) 'Convention of the 24' obscured by overdubs (now >*there's* a title...:)) >4) 'Mojave Plan' studio version with poorly edited intro > >If you're going to offer a critique, then please at least get the >details right first. It helps to present a stronger argument that way. heh. Well, I fast forwarded through most of it. That's for clearing up. > > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, > > Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices > > in the bootleg world). It contains: > > > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% > > volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, > > counter to the spirit of the original music. > > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 > > minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without > > the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively > > taking the 2nd step). > > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. > >*sigh* Again from the top: >1) *NO* new material intro; it starts as the concert did with just a >*slight* change in the opening chord >2) The enitre concert (see below for exception) as performed with >some of the overdubs forward prescence due to the difference in >timbre, *not* 'turned down to 60% volume'. >2) 'Bondi Parade' has the guitar solo removed and the last 3+ >mins. changed to a modern ending. -Morgan n.p. Valentine Wheels (the bagpipes part!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25695 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Wed 1/17/2001 8 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. $@^*%#!!. Now how can I convince my lovely new bride that attending this show would be a perfect birthday gift for me.... goozer (who attended both of the previous SB shows and is seriously jonesing to go back to London!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25700 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Michael A Jean Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Well, I just bought my ticket :-) First time I've bought anything on the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light evening. They usually seem to play in the UK in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange another pre-show get-together as per the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Just bought my ticket over the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light spring evening; they usually seem to play here in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25708 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:14 am Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings > In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > >From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > > > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > > > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > > > >'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material > >that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where > >exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio > >additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost > >*NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that > >petition drive.... > > The word Fraud applies to Sohoman, which is 20% Edgar solo, > Soundmill Navigator, which is over 30% Edgar solo, and the > aforementioned Perth which is over 35% Edgar solo and the rest > studio work. At this rate, the next 'concert album' will be 50% > Edgar solo with a track from Destination Berlin mixed in to give > it that TD flair. Zoning is also fraudulent, in that it doesn't > share a single note in common with the 1987 soundtrack for the > film (for which I finally have a CDR). > > Don't you find the labeling of Sohoman offensive? So we've gone from a '50% Standard' in your first post to a '20% Standard'? No, I don't feel offended by _Sohoman_. And again you miss the point (fine as it is): with the exception of _Perth_ (which meets your 50% standard...) these CDs have the *original concert* included ('Bondi' edit noted.) The 'Edgar solo' material is in *addition* to this, not in place of it (again, 'Bondi' edit noted.) Yes, I freely admit that to some I may be splitting semantic hairs. But given the *complete* history of live releases by TD, I feel I'm on rather solid ground. As for _Zoning_, you are in error there as well. No, it's *not* the original '87 score. But it *is* the new score commissioned for the re- release on video by the film studio! And since nowhere does it claim to be from '87, the fraud is what exaclty? > >But it is a vain and fruitless anger bordering on hypocrasy if > >when you purchase it you *know* that they are not the actual > >shows. For those who stand by their convictions and refrain from > >purchasing these items; points for logical consistency. But then > >your complaints become those of the 'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' > >whine variety that *all* fans engage in from time to time to no > >real result. > > I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, > instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation > purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped > it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on > this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the > last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% > un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. Now we're back to the '50% Standard'. Points deducted for failure to maintain logical consistency in your argument. ;) Funny, _AD_ was slightly dissapointing to me (see review.) What about _Seven..._ turned you off? > > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > > > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each > > >concert. > > > > > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces > > > from at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a > > > single recording of a concert for which no tape exists). > > > >Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was > >edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs > >(notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great > >*impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. > > Ech. I forgot it was labeled and presented as Live. Well, I can > blame Edgar for recent transgressions, but I guess we have to put > it on all the band members (assuming they got involved) for Logos, > Ricochet and Encore. On _Ricochet_ the drums were Chris, additional keys overdubed mainly by Peter after he rejoined them. +++++ > > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > > > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > > > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep > > > and other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, > > > Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar > > > work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > > > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > > >_Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set > >opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. > >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > > Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something > every day! The 'guitar sounds' are actually from Johannes. > > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > > > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the > > > concert fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). > > > >_Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the > >aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit > >between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been > >corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. > > Agreed on the Poland-Tangent bridge. I didn't know it was > reperformed. I do know that the Poland track mutated quite a bit > through 1983, as featured on a Tokyo 83 tape I have. Poland on > there has mushroomed to 28 minutes. Honestly, the Warsaw (studio if > you will) version is more polished. The same can be said for anyone > who has heard the Logos intro as it was played in late 1981. It was > 10 minutes before they whittled it down to the polished 5 > 1/2 minute version on Logos and any other fall 1982 concert. The 'Poland' version from the actual Warsaw concert is also 28+ mins. The Tokyo version is essentially the same. > >And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who > >believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most > >likely culprit here (as usual.) > > Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape > labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike > anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? You're not referring to the encore, are you? I don't have the tapes here at work. ++++++ > > > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns > >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, > >including material performed that has not been released. > > So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert > recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? Nah. He just wants to mess with our minds!;) There are too many possible explinations as to why we're not getting the goodies. 'Stupid Record Company Tricks' and 'Visionary is my middle name' are leading candidates, however.;) goozer From: 'James Williams' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I second this. I remember when being on the cs.uwp.edu mailing list when this was arranged but I didn't make it because of traffic. The meeting took place in the Moon on the Green pub, didn't it? I don't contribute to this list much but it would be great to meet all the frequenters James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glynn Naughton' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Well, I just bought my ticket :-) First time I've bought anything on the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light evening. They usually seem to play in the UK in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange another pre-show get-together as per the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' recordings JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! Rayden , > > Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > Hello! > > (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) > > > > But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records > on > > real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very > precisely > > and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, > synthesators, > > guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create > music > > like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very > > dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, > all > > material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. > Old > > Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me > very > > disgusting. > > > , > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25715 Re: 'Live' recordings Bag Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:05 am Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Live Miles ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [beyond_em] Live Miles > > > You know I've been thinking about Live Miles and what I've been thinking > about is that I've heard it been said that the concert in Albuquerque was > with an introduction in the Spanish language. I kind of find it hard to > believe it, because I grew up there and even though Spanish is pretty common > there, English is the primary language. Hermes or you Steve [or anyone > else], I seem to recall that you guys said that you actually went to the > concert there in 86', can you tell me which venue it was played at and why > Spanish would have been spoken. > > > The Mini Moog will cut through concrete. > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > >So we've gone from a '50% Standard' in your first post to a '20% >Standard'? No, I don't feel offended by _Sohoman_. And again you miss >the point (fine as it is): with the exception of _Perth_ (which meets >your 50% standard...) these CDs have the *original concert* included >('Bondi' edit noted.) The 'Edgar solo' material is in *addition* to >this, not in place of it (again, 'Bondi' edit noted.) Yes, I freely >admit that to some I may be splitting semantic hairs. But given the >*complete* history of live releases by TD, I feel I'm on rather solid >ground. At this point I've argued too much and just clouded the list beyond any semblence of TD fandom. I was thinking of that driving home. It seems as if every time I try to take some measure or steps to pull back from the TD bashing, I get drawn further into it. A lack of self-discipline or tact I suppose. >As for _Zoning_, you are in error there as well. No, it's *not* the >original '87 score. But it *is* the new score commissioned for the re- >release on video by the film studio! And since nowhere does it claim >to be from '87, the fraud is what exaclty? I was not aware that it was for a re-release of the movie. It's still a boring release. The title and end themes, composed largely by Jerome if my knowledge of his composing style is worth a shit, are the saving graces. Then again, the 1987 soundtrack wasn't that great either to be real honest. > > I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, > > instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation > > purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped > > it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on > > this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the > > last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% > > un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. > >Now we're back to the '50% Standard'. Points deducted for failure to >maintain logical consistency in your argument. ;) I wasn't aware that there was some responsibility on my shoulders to impress someone or have a strong debate point. I'm not trying to win the gold trophy in anything. And the 50% thing is how I decide on this concert stuff. To me, Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, and Perth contain less than 50% undoctored material. >Funny, _AD_ was slightly dissapointing to me (see review.) Well, Edgar thought he could stomach his distaste with the old material long enough to produce Antique Dreams, but he could not. At the last minute the scope changed to include quite a bit of 1986+ material. There's just enough on there (51%) that I don't feel I wasted the money. >What about _Seven..._ turned you off? Not interested in an entire CD of what amounts to what are normally bridges during TD concerts. I stood in a music store (Soundwaves) and listened to the majority of it. > > >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > > > > Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something > > every day! > >The 'guitar sounds' are actually from Johannes. So it was his decision to scale back the wildness of the performance and cut out passages near the end of the concert? So I guess Johannes is a revisionist as well. >The 'Poland' version from the actual Warsaw concert is also 28+ mins. >The Tokyo version is essentially the same. It's only 17 minutes on the Poland CD. So the Poland CD is a lot less like the actual concert than I believed. Hrmmph. Well, as hypocritical (flame away!) as it may seem, I've grown rather attached to the version they released on CD, as crippled/edited/tangentized/watered-down as it may be. The playing of Tokyo compared to the playing on the CD release of Poland are night-and-day different to my ears. This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. > > Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape > > labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike > > anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? > >You're not referring to the encore, are you? I don't have the tapes >here at work. No. Listen to 28:44-45:30 on White Cloths III. I've never heard any other 01.31.81 tape sound like this. Then again I've shown my limited knowledge quite a bit now haven't I, so I may be off my rocker here too... > > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns > > >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, > > >including material performed that has not been released. > > > > So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert > > recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? > >Nah. He just wants to mess with our minds!;) Then I stand by my original statement a few weeks ago. Edgar should not bother. Just leave the concerts in the vaults, rather than tainting their good names. Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Maybe I can do the same... ;^) (I mean convince MY new wife....) MJ > > $@^*%#!!. Now how can I convince my lovely new bride that attending > this show would be a perfect birthday gift for me.... > > goozer (who attended both of the previous SB shows and is seriously > jonesing to go back to London!) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Empire Great news! I´m all set. Got my confirmation 2 minutes ago. See you all there! Patrik, Stockholm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' > This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly > getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on > wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from > this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know > that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I > wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly > online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. I understand completely. Sometimes I worry that I come across as a complete jerk on mailing lists since I tend not to post stuff unless I get 'ticked off' by something I come across and jump into an argument. I just don't have the time and energy to chit-chat and chew the fat most of the time, but somehow I manage to find the time to argue with somebody. ;) You know, if you want to pull out of this argument, just do it! No one's forcing you to write anything. I'd hate to see you go for good 'cause you got sick of a discussion. BTW, much as I hate to admit it, I've been agreeing with a lot of what you've been saying lately. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Edgar's been suffering from the talent but no taste syndrome the past few years. How he can do some brilliant stuff and almost at the same time put out utter s**t is beyond me. Frustrating, to say the least. Anyway, I wish you luck no matter what you end up doing, and, folks, perhaps we can move on to some other subjects at this point? This discussion's startin' ta irritate me. :) Take care, Jared From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings I really do agree with you, I mean how can we justify the things TD is doing now, I mean honestly has the artist become so involved in making money that he/they will release old concert material that are really studio releases and rewrite (tangentize) musical material right over lower volume concert material? It seems TD is using these releases of material with incredibly low originally unreleased content to finance their endeavors of original new material not many people seem to want to buy. It may seem like a hole-in-one to make money but as good as these concert recordings sound for me (a person who does not trade concerts and such), I have to hold back and ask myself, what am I really going to get that isn't just marketing tricks? We need people on this list who at least tell it straight. I know what live is.. gosh.. Greg H > This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly > getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on > wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from > this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know > that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I > wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly > online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. > Morgan From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn ====== I'm in From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:32 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi all, Yeah, I was there, but as I didn't have Internet at the time, I didn't know any of you! Now I'm hoping that the rumours of them playing in France are true... Paul ---------- >De : 'Glynn Naughton' >À : tadream@egroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire >Date : Mar 16 jan 2001 22:42 > > --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: >> Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S > Bush >> Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk >> priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. >> Cheers Gary. > > Wa-hay! Just bought my ticket over the Web. It's gonna be strange > going to a TD show on a light spring evening; they usually seem to > play here in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November > and 2 in March.) > > We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 > Shepherds Bush show. > > Glynn > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire . (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) Hammersmith 1978 by any chance From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Empire £18.50 Blimey Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. Cheers Gary. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton' wrote: > > > We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 > Shepherds Bush show. > > Glynn Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Dreamers, Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for the intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect the spanish intro was to pull a little across the border mystery from the country the spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ), what would have been really cool was if they dug deep instead of reaching and put a Hopi, Navajo or some other native intro. Why be real we live in dreamland, on the dreamlist, the same dream over and over with different clothes. My apologies to the sane. It is really beautiful outside sunny (again) and the wind is blowing gently, no birds crusing the thermal on the hills yet. And, I have to make the software talk to the hardware, suck. I have noticed redeaming qualities in disk 5 and 6 of the I-Box, how wierd. I really think the tape trees of the 90's for all those unreleased concert tapes, remastered for CDR was a great achievement. The web of cooperation across the world was way cool, much like our tribute CD. Sea of Dream and the Real Dream Encores maxed out, my smile was huge, the warm joy inside immense. Was the tree a bad thing, my branch made it to 76, did any of you all out there on a CDR tree make it further. Anyone into growing our own tree. Later, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25712 Re: Kiva Livemiles Hermes Guzman Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB 25713 Re: Kiva Livemiles Frank Arellano Thu 1/18/2001 4 KB 25726 Re: Kiva Livemiles Whiteley, Steve Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. >Cheers Gary TD or your mate and his wife??? ;) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings Feldon Feldon wrote: > I'm honestly getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I've threathened the same thing in the past too. Sometimes, it seems like all I do on this list is complain, and I'm sure that this irritates a lot of people (particularly those who think everything the band does is automatically a work of genius). But the thing is, I'm not trying to bait people...I complain because I care. If I didn't care, I would have packed up and left a long time ago. I still like TD, and am just trying to compell them to help them help themselves. Ultimately, they rely on their fans for support, and I see that many fans aren't happy with what they're doing. So I encourage fans who *are* upset to vote with their wallets...i.e., not buy their stuff. That's the only way to get them to change. The other thing is, this is the only forum where fans can warn each other if the latest TDI release is another stinker, another Frankenstein's monster of overdubbing...or whether it's the real deal. We're obviously not getting the straight goods from TDI. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: Kiva Livemiles --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote: > Hey Dreamers, > > Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for > the intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect > the spanish intro was to pull a little across the border mystery > from the country the spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ) > [...] Here I am. I was amongst the first 20 people in the door. I wanted to be sure that I had a chance to see the stage before the show, not to mention not wanting to miss a single note. One of the funny moments from that evening was overhearing some dude stage-whispering 'Look at all the pseudo-intellectuals!' to his buddy as they walked to their seats. That is an exact quote. So there is no doubt to what follows: THERE WAS *NO* INTRO AT THE KIVA SHOW!! As I've *repeatedly* affirmed over the years as this question comes up: NOT ONE SINGLE SECOND OF _LIVEMILES: 'ALBUQUERQUE'_ IS FROM THE ACTUAL SHOW!! Were 'recreational pharmaceuticals' a part of these vivid recollections? ;) goozer From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles > Hey Dreamers, > > Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for the > intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect the spanish > intro was to pull a little across the border mystery from the country the > spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ), what would have been really > cool was if they dug deep instead of reaching and put a Hopi, Navajo or some > other native intro. Why be real we live in dreamland, on the dreamlist, the > same dream over and over with different clothes. My apologies to the sane. > > It is really beautiful outside sunny (again) and the wind is blowing gently, > no birds crusing the thermal on the hills yet. And, I have to make the > software talk to the hardware, suck. I have noticed redeaming qualities in > disk 5 and 6 of the I-Box, how wierd. > > I really think the tape trees of the 90's for all those unreleased concert > tapes, remastered for CDR was a great achievement. The web of cooperation > across the world was way cool, much like our tribute CD. Sea of Dream and > the Real Dream Encores maxed out, my smile was huge, the warm joy inside > immense. Was the tree a bad thing, my branch made it to 76, did any of you > all out there on a CDR tree make it further. Anyone into growing our own > tree. > > Later, > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 12:23 am Subject: ES #9 Hey, For those into TD spotting, I'd like to mention that the latest TD news is featured in the new release of Electronic Shadows, available at http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows/ I suspect there is nothing there you dont already know but just in case someone subscribed here yesterday, it could be worth checking out :-) (No TD reviews this time) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new version!) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Bag Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Lord wrote: > JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! > Rayden > , >> >> Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) Hey guys, English only, please :)). Bag [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 4:23 am Subject: Re: live albums <<'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. >> You must not be familiar with the following albums: Dire Straits: Alchemy Deep Purple: Made In Japan Yes: Yessongs Pink Floyd: Ummagumma The Who: Live At Leeds Frank Zappa: most of the You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore set (I think Frank admitted he had to overdub the drums on one track, and there's like two studio tracks in there someplace) The Grateful Dead: Live/Dead, Hundred Year Hall, One From The Vault, and Two From The Vault (as well as the entire Dick's Picks series) Allman Brothers Band: Live At The Fillmore East, Wipe The Windows Check The Oil Dollar Gas, An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band, and Second Set Hawkwind: Space Ritual The Byrds: Unissued Eric Johnson: Live And Beyond (he said in Guitar Player that there are overdubs on the last track, and he 'fixed some intonation problems' on the guitar part on one track, the rest of it is just as it was performed onstage) Santana: Lotus Black Sabbath: Live At Last Uriah Heep: Live 73 Gov't Mule: Live With A Little Help From Our Friends (the collector's edition features some rather innovative 'remixing' techniques, as far as I know, to get around some gremlins that occurred during the recording of this one show, but there were no actual overdubs, as such). and that's all I can think of that I'm positive consists of pristine, virgin, non-overdubbed material. Yeah, it has become an unfortunate fact of the 'biz' in the last two decades that live albums will have post-production work done on them (Tony Visconti, Thin Lizzy's late 70's producer, claims that the only thing that wasn't overdubbed on Live And Dangerous is the drums and the audience noise). It's a shame, really, because a lot of bands really put on amazing shows, but they're so nitpicky when they do a live album, they can't be bothered to leave a sloppy drum fill, or the rough around the edges vocal harmonies as they are. What sucks is something like the above mentioned Thin Lizzy album, where they allegedly had something five shows from two different tours to pick material from, and they still found it necessary to do a virtual complete 're-enactment'. I mean, ok, I can understand if they had only two shows to work from, and one night Phil Lynott had no voice and the other night Scott Gorham's guitar amp started making funny noises or whatever, but when you have FIVE COMPLETE SHOWS to choose from, you'd think you'd be able to piece together 77 minutes of solid rock music, without relying too heavily on overdubs, if at all. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:43 am Subject: Re: live albums <> Not all of them. A few of them are taken from more than one show. One is a 3 CD compiled from a three night run in London in September of 74 (wish they had made it a four CD, they left out some good psychedelic music that happened at one of those shows), while another contains the entire second set and encores from two consecutive shows from June of 74 (one from Boston, the other from Providence, Rhode Island). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: fstephe@a... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 2:16 pm Subject: Canyon Dreams Sessions Hello everybody, I'm sure this has been answered before but I'd like to get an answer to this question. I have been listening to the Canyon Dreams Session Tape of Rough Cuts. My question is: Where did these pieces of music end up getting used? Did all of them end up on official commercial releases? Thanks, Frank From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 767 I was at the Kiva in 86, as well, and I can testify that the intro never happened. THe kiva is downtown, not near the University. The accoustics that night were fantastic. Livemiles is fiction in comparison to what was played at the concert. Paul Haslinger even admitted it to me once when I ran into him at some computer trade show in Los Angeles (very friendly guy). I used to see him hanging around the Tower Records on Ventura blvd. there a lot. Anyway, the show was great, but it's not the recording. I recently received a fan tape that proves it. The fan tape is exactly what I remember. As for the post that claimed we, by complaining on this list and not buying new cds as a form of protest, I think you miss the point of TD. They are not commercially driven in terms of musical direction. As for the constant repackagings, I find it particularly disappointing to expect ibox to have a cd of new material, only to find it's mislabeled old material. That's a stinker. But come on, the Ibox is 6 CDs of material that I got for $32. How can you complain about the value there? My biggest beef is the mislabeling of material, or giving something a new name when it's an old track. That should be criminal. I hope TD gets out of the recent rut and I'm anxious to hear TD Mix3. TDMix 1 was wonderful. -Aslanfan1 In a message dated 1/18/01 1:40:37 PM, tadream@egroups.com writes: << Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. >> From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: live albums Chris Richards wrote: > If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute > fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. ?? Yes, I accept this. Most live albums undergo a certain amount of sprucing up in the studio. But what all of us critics keep reiterating is that most of this 'sprucing' usually gets done concurrently with the original recording, and thus the music still provides a more or less accurate document of what the band sounded like at a certain phase of their history. That's what the fans are after, is it not? TD's current obsession with revisionism is destroying the integrity of the music. But hey, if an artist can't restrain themselves from breaking into the gallery to touch up their work, so be it. Where my own complaints begin is that TDI is not being up front about the fact that these drastic changes are taking place (in fact, in the case of Soundmill Navigator, we were given wrong information...word right from TDI was that the album was being released undoctored, and that proved to be false). Their website is outrageously short on details, and obscenely long on gushing press releases. And I maintain that this is because they're trying to trick fans into buying this stuff. But, to paraphrase an old saying: 'make a fool of me once, shame on you. Make a fool of me twice, shame on me.' Now, I know that my opinion on all of this is a selfish one (even though I know there are others on this list who feel the same way). I suppose there really might just be a group of TD fans out there who think everything they're doing with their old live recordings is just fabulous. And if enough of them continue to vote with their wallets, I guess there's no hope that things will change. Or it could just be that TDI intends to release doctored versions of all their shows, and then, a few years later, re-release them in undoctored form as 'classic editions', thus compelling the faithful to buy the same albums twice. Given their penchant for changing their cover art every couple of years, that wouldn't surprise me. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, Rolf Elfström wrote: > >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and > >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. > >Cheers Gary > > TD or your mate and his wife??? She hates everybody only joking I am afraid it's TD, she prefers Shania Twain I like her too but for different reasons it's those powerful thighs. Cheers Gary. ;) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Ricochet >I'm sure that when Ricochet was released it was made known that this wasn't >a straight-forward concert album but rather an album edited together from >various concerts. Whether this fact was mentioned in advertising, press >releases or interviews I don't know/can't remember, but I do remember >thinking at the time that it seemed a pretty weird way of releasing a live >album. Actually they did even advertise the fact that it was 'compiled from over 20 hours of taped material', bigtime. If I look back at the official live albums from that era in my collection (yeah, that's how old I am :-), very, very few would list specific locations. I found it completely normal (though, regrettable) that live albums were usually a 'best of the tour' collection. Heck, I guess that's still so ! (Again, not that I like the fact!) As to what's live and what not on Ricochet, we'll never be sure. TD and their equipment wouldn't perform the same music twice exactly the same way in those days, and only a few fragments of concerts are documented on fan tapes. cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Live Miles >>And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. > >Don't get me started on this again (although 'Caspian Sea' and >'Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale' are fairly accurate *impressions* of two >themes from the Berlin show.) Hermes, this is _not_ meant at you personally, but from time to time one fact needs repetition: Many, if not most, people discussing this subject draw the comparison between Berlin part of Live Miles and the WDR radio broadcast (which was the base for Antarktis and 20th Century Serenades). This broadcast was from an already-doctored tape, for the well-known copyright reasons. So, for the really scientific minded, get the audience live tape for comparison! The sound is not bad at all, except that you hear a lot of the audience as well ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Empire Got my confirmation of ticket. Yeah, I look forward to meeting you before the concert. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: live albums Talking of live albums, does anyone know if Banco de Gaia live at Glastonbury is overdubed or virgin? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 From: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush > >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and > >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. > >Cheers Gary > > TD or your mate and his wife??? >She hates everybody only joking I am afraid it's TD, she prefers >Shania Twain I like her too but for different reasons it's those >powerful thighs. >Cheers Gary. ;) Ha! Reminds me of one of my all-time favourite quotes, courtesy of Jerry Sadowitz: 'I only have two hates: living things and objects.' In terms of the pre-show get-together, in think we can organise that one pretty easily, even 4 months in advance. Just turn up at the Moon on the Green Pub (couple of minutes' walk from the venue) some time in the afternoon. See you then. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25820 Shepherds Bush David Foster Sat 1/27/2001 2 KB 25840 Re: Shepherds Bush James Williams Tue 1/30/2001 3 KB 25889 Shepherds Bush David Foster Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25890 Re: Shepherds Bush Gary Jenkins Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25893 Re: Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there Rainer Rutka Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25895 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25916 Re: Shepherds Bush horrod6@n... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25891 Re: Shepherds Bush Thenite0wl@a... Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25906 Re: Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. >===== Original Message From Sean Montgomery ===== >Nope. The tracks on disc 5 of Dream Roots are truly unreleased. They were >composed during the latter part of 1985, after Johannes left the band but before >Paul joined. They had been shelved for over a decade. And yeah, Valley of the >Sun is a really good piece, a must for fans of mid-80s TD. Speaking of which, is anybody aware of 'edits' of VoTS? I taped this piece off a friend a couple of years ago and subsequently misplaced the tape (it's not lost yet!). I seem to remember this piece being in the 15 minute range lengthwise. When I look for it on Napster, I find versions that are about 7 and 10 minutes in length. What's the deal with these? Are these promo versions or something? Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 From: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for >acoustics. I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is a different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset rainbow mesa light show is the best. So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's 2)Real Dream Encores hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections 3)Kiva 86 I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there Livemiles was not. 4)Montreal 77 Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments 5)Santa Monica 80 I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music tastes forever. 6)Newcastle 81 Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25734 Re: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey mor Frank Arellano Fri 1/19/2001 4 KB 25735 Re: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey mor j.gordon Fri 1/19/2001 4 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Let's hope they play something new and not a load of warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25736 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25738 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Valley of the Sun is indeed around 15 minutes long. I suspect the 7 minutes versions you see on Napster are just incomplete mp3 files. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings Getting back to the original intent of this subject, I have to disagree with Chris Richards. I can't stand it when bands pick individual songs from different shows to put on a live album. I would much rather have a live album represent one show, like Pergamon, Logos, Poland, 220 Volt, Tournado & Valentine Wheels. I think the Dead did it best with the Dick's Picks series, although some of them are not only from one show either. Scott From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Scott' > >Getting back to the original intent of this subject, I have to disagree >with >Chris Richards. I can't stand it when bands pick individual songs from >different shows to put on a live album. I would much rather have a live >album represent one show, like Pergamon, Logos, Poland, 220 Volt, Tournado >& >Valentine Wheels. I think the Dead did it best with the Dick's Picks >series, >although some of them are not only from one show either. I think we've seen that, except for Tournado, 220 Volt, and Valentine Wheels, the other 3 you mention can't really be considered concerts either. :( -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan Looks like you're blatantly missing Electronic Orgy, Steve. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 > From: 'Frank Arellano' > Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles > > >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome > >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, > >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of > the > >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa > Fe > >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for > >acoustics. > > I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, > probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were > big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we > bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, > 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is a > different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would > enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset > rainbow mesa light show is the best. > > So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large > private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my > seeds. > > Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? > > 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection > 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's > 2)Real Dream Encores > hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections > 3)Kiva 86 > I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there > Livemiles was not. > 4)Montreal 77 > Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments > 5)Santa Monica 80 > I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music > tastes forever. > 6)Newcastle 81 > > Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan i think that is because EO isn't a fan TAPE collection... it's a singles collection... :) j.gordon --- Frank Arellano wrote: > Looks like you're blatantly missing Electronic Orgy, Steve. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 > > From: 'Frank Arellano' > > Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles > > > > >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome > > >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in > it, > > >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of > > the > > >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa > > Fe > > >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for > > >acoustics. > > > > I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, > > probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were > > big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we > > bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, > > 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is > a > > different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would > > enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset > > rainbow mesa light show is the best. > > > > So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large > > private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade > my > > seeds. > > > > Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? > > > > 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection > > 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's > > 2)Real Dream Encores > > hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections > > 3)Kiva 86 > > I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there > > Livemiles was not. > > 4)Montreal 77 > > Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments > > 5)Santa Monica 80 > > I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music > > tastes forever. > > 6)Newcastle 81 > > > > Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25738 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Hi, 'I Ty Brutusie przeciwko mnie' I sent You pack. Now I reflect whether I should not shovel :)))))) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Lord wrote: > > > JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! > > > Rayden > >> Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) > Hey guys, English only, please :)). > > Bag From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the exclusion of everything else. Gary. -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer wrote: > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > exclusion of everything else. > > Gary. > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > wrote: > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25742 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Sat 1/20/2001 3 KB 25746 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Sat 1/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Eberly DE (Daniel)' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: How to get fan tapes Question: What are these fan tapes on CD (CDR I guess). How can I get these? --Dan Steve Whiteley wrote: So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's 2)Real Dream Encores hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections 3)Kiva 86 I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there Livemiles was not. 4)Montreal 77 Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments 5)Santa Monica 80 I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music tastes forever. 6)Newcastle 81 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25741 Re: How to get fan tapes Joe Shoults Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] How to get fan tapes Discussing the fan tapes/bootlegs is fantastic. Please conduct trading activities off-list. Thnaks, Joe List Moderator -----Original Message----- From: Eberly DE (Daniel) [mailto:eberlyde@u...] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Subject: [tadream] How to get fan tapes Question: What are these fan tapes on CD (CDR I guess). How can I get these? --Dan Steve Whiteley wrote: So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:42 am Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi Frank I think you are getting you Gary's muddled, I am the one not taking the Mrs, the other talking about techno is Gary Morgan,personally I don't care what they play just want to see them live again after A 11 year drought for me. Cheers Gary J. > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > Gary. > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re Shepherd's Bush Theatre I would like them to play Silver Scale and Waterborne. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:44 am Subject: Re: live albums < If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute > fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. ??>> No I didn't! I quoted the above item, then listed live albums that don't fit the above description (at least, the respective artists claim the respective 'live' albums are indeed live recordings with no overdubs). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re: live albums <> Depends on whether the liner notes tell you which songs are from which shows or not. For instance, Live At The Fillmore East by the Allman Bros, Irish Tour by Rory Gallagher, and Rush's All The World's A Stage name venues and cities where the shows were recorded (and all but Irish Tour give dates). Same goes for the live material on Pink Floyd's Ummagumma and Hawkwind's Space Ritual. I think Cheap Trick's At Budokan falls into this category as well. On the other hand, there's a lot of live albums that do give full notes about where and when each song was recorded: Yes: Yesshows The Who: Live At Leeds Frank Zappa: Guitar, and the You Can't Do That Onstage series (when you knew when and where the tracks were from) Blue Oyster Cult: Extraterrestrial Live Deep Purple: Made In Japan Allman Brothers Band: Wipe The Windows Check The Oil Dollar Gas Ted Nugent: Double Live Gonzo Aerosmith: Live Bootleg But you are right, there are a lot of live albums that don'tl list locations, like: Rory Gallagher: Live In Europe Uriah Heep: Live 1973 (though the remarks about 'Friday night in Birmingham' and 'This is the nicest return to Birmingham we've had' kinda gives one clues) The Who: Who's Last (can you say 'contractual obligation'?) Queen: Live Killers Rainbow: On Stage Hawkwind: Live 1979 (though, somewhat paradoxically, this one appears to have been drawn entirely from a single show, in St Albans, UK) Of course, my favorite of the 'let's be vague on when and where this album was recorded' is undoutedly Hawkwind's 1984 release This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic. The release was a double record, one LP and one 12' 45 rpm record. There's a mass listing of musicians who play on the record, basically spanning two different lineups. The cover depicts Stonehenge, so you're thinking most (if not all) of the release was recorded at one of the Stonehenge festivals, right? WRONG!!! I eventually got a bootleg of the Stonehenge fest from 84, and the only material from that show that appeared on the album are the two tracks that appear on 45 RPM disc. The LP was taken from a various shows in 1980, with Ginger Baker on drums (a fellow Hawkfan once gave me details on which song was from which show, I remember only that none of them were recorded at Stonehenge). Out of something like 55 minutes of music, only about 10 of it is really from Stonehenge! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Will be travelling down to London with Chris Owen...not sure how yet, maybe fly with Easyjet for £10, as Liverpool is only 7 miles away. Bring the Kraftwerk with you, I'll be glad of the donation ;-) My ex liked them too I have to admit (TD). Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > Gary. > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:15 pm Subject: favourite fan tapes Hello all, I've noticed the fan tape discussion and I thought I could post something on the topic. Coefficient of Aural Expansion, also known as Ruby in the Sky, London - 2/april/75 is one of the first concert recordings I've got and it's still one of my favourites. It's a maybe perfect blend of the best spacy-pink-years music I've heard with the Rubycon style. 2 great CDRs. The first track seems to be cut, but it's 60 minutes long. The first 20 minutes contain some of the best TD spacy music, followed by 20 minutes great sequences and more 20ish minutes of a kind of blend between the first two moments. The second CD contains mainly Rubyconesque music. The first track is 40 minutes long and the last seems to be an encore, 13 minutes. Danger Live 1 - Brussels 76 (first part of the Jensen University concert, 2/2/76, plus what seems to be an encore, Ancienne Belgique, 26/11/76. the second part of the Jensen University is on the Danger Live 2 CD, which also contains the original Soundmill. I don't have the second CD.) I don't exactly remember how is the music in this one, but I remember I loved it. There are more than one (or just one?) of those magic TD moments where a simple tune is played, like the Atem intro, or the Monolight tune. Outback Voices - 22/2/82 - Sydney (source for Sohoman) A fantastic concert. First track is Convention of the 24, with the sequence slowly being built. White Eagle follows, plus some unreleased tracks, a section from Mojave Plan and a Force Majeure ending they used to play. You can hear lots of applause when the audience notices the first notes (or chords, or beat, I don't remember) from that Force Majeure section just before the final section slowly fades in. This concert deserves to be remastered by someone out there, like happened with Coefficient, where even stereo was added. These are some concerts I like very much. I have several recordings now, some 20 concerts, but don't have much time to play them. There are some I played only once, like a 86 concert called Sonambulistic Imagery (which is nice too). Maybe later I'll post more comments about other concerts. GJ np Ricochet part 1. best-of-tour or not, this is one of the top 3 70s TD albums. And top 10 EM albums. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Email change for Vic Rek Sorry fans for the intrusion, but I have to change my e-mail address in the next 10 days. The problem now is that I can send e-mails but I cannot receive them, which I hope to resolve with my ISP in the next few days. So I do not get anything from the outside world at the moment. If you have sent me an e-mail, then please be patient until I clear up this matter. Once I do I will be under a new e-mail address, tentatively: tangerinedream@a... Vic From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Okay, not the first or the last time that I've screwed up. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > Hi Frank I think you are getting you Gary's muddled, I am the one not > taking the Mrs, the other talking about techno is Gary > Morgan,personally I don't care what they play just want to see them > live again after A 11 year drought for me. > Cheers Gary J. > > > > > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can > some > > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' > the Mrs., > > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and > keep each > > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not > to the > > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > > > Gary. > > > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > > wrote: > > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 3:36 am Subject: Steve Jolliffe/Constance Demby Hello TD dudes and dudettes, Was out 'making the rounds' today (as my wife would say) of the local music stores, used and new, to see if anything new happened into the place. When I happened to find a couple of Steve Jolliffe CDs. 'Alien' from 1994 and 'Deep Down Far' from 1998. Now I am not a Steve Jolliffe fan, but I thought I would mention it to the list just in case there was a fan out there. I would be more than happy to go back and pick these two up if anyone was interested. I did not have the $$$ on me or else I would have bought them just on speculation. If no-one is interested, I may still go and get them just incase someone on e-bay might need them. Please let me know soon as I really don't know how popular he might be locally. Actually, I really can't say that I am NOT a Steve Jolliffe fan. I have honestly heard NOTHING by him. Its just that I am having a hard enough time collecting Td along with the Froese, Franke and Schmoelling solos. Adding Jolliffe would be stretching the TD related dollar just a little bit to far. However, I am interested in what he has been doing since has short career with TD. Anyone out there would like to fill me/us in on Mr. Steve Jolliffe? What style of music and all. Maybe even some reviews on his solo projects? Or am I the only one curious? If I am that is fine.....its just a passing curiosity since I saw two of his CDs. I will probably give them a listen if I buy them anyway. So maybe that will be my homework. Buy the two CDs, give them a listen before I sell them on e-bay. And then review them for the list. Anyway, I did find a Constance Demby CD: 'Aeterna'. I have an OLD tape that someone made me years ago of her first LP, 'Novous Magnificat'. If my son is ever being a pisser in the car, we just put the old tape in the player and he is asleep in minutes. No reflection of her music....or maybe it is! The music is absolutely wonderful. Very relaxing and calming. And the new one is as well. A lot more piano based this time. With the synths more filling in the background. I have not heard her two middle releases, but if I like the first one from years ago, and I like the new one, chances are I wil like the middle ones as well. Well, I didn't really plan on writing so much, that was just what happened to me today and I thought it relevant to this list. I do have a question I wanted to ask....but that is for that 'other' list. By for now. Neal NP: 'Aeterna'-- Constance Demby (Really very good. April even likes it so you know it must be good.) --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Neal Frost's Steve Jolliffe query in [tadream] Digest Number 770 This e-mail is in response to Neal Frost's questions concerning Steve Jolliffe. We at Horizon Music have released many of Steve's solo albums over the years, including the two that Mr. Frost saw in the CD store he visited. You can listen to sound samples of each of Steve's CD's at our Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. We also offer secure site on-line ordering at reasonable prices. It may interest you to know that Steve Jolliffe's 'Zanzi' was chosen by the radio program Musical Starstreams as one of its Top Ten albums of 1996. Also, the opening selection from 'Deep Down Far' has been played as background music for an advertisement on the Discovery Channel in the UK. I know of two interviews with Steve that exist on the Internet. One of them is on our site of www.hmnetwork.com and another one is located at www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm. In both he talks of many things, including his stint with Tangerine Dream in the late 1960s. For reviews of Steve Jolliffe's albums, one is directed to the following URL: www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_jolliffe_000615.html. If this site doesn't work, just type in www.space.com, click 'Science Fiction' and search for 'Jolliffe'. I hope I have shed some light on Steve Jolliffe's musical career as well as provided you with some resources for further information. Happy surfing, reading, listening and (I hope) purchasing! Sincerely, Dave Kaufman President Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Linda Spa Does anyone on the list know what Linda Spa is doing these days? Does she have any continuing involvement with TD? Is there any background information on her on the web? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Linda Spa >From: 'David Foster' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Linda Spa >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:20:06 -0000 > >Does anyone on the list know what Linda Spa is doing these days? > >Does she have any continuing involvement with TD? > >Is there any background information on her on the web? > >David She must've been available to do the Saxophone recording for the 'Longing for Cashba' track on i-Box. As recorded in 1990, there was no Saxophone on it, and it's not a sample/keyboard. mOnrgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: Newcomer Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. First time I met electronic music, it was 7 years ago (I was 12) - my father bought a compilation of Jean Michel Jarre 'Musik aus Zeit und Raum'. I loved it from the beginning. Then I met the music of Mike Oldfield with The Songs of Distant Earth, also a great thing. When I was 15 I saw on a german music TV in the show 'Zeit zum traumen' - 'Time to dream' TD's Towards the evening star - first piece from Goblins Club. So I ran to the first music shop and bought me a TD cassette. It was Pergamon. I was amazed. Four years later, I have most of TD's official albums. I still need to collect some of the newer things, and most soundtracks. My first four bootlegs should arrive any day from now :) I most like the music from the late 70, early 80. But I like also some albums from the beggining of the 70 as well as some from the 90. My top 5. Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like most: Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on the polish TD newsgroup) I live temporarily in Vienna, Austria (maybe here are some from this City, i'd like to meet you in person). Well thats all for the beggining - I hope I will write often here :) Michal Moroz nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25755 Re: Newcomer Feldon Feldon Sun 1/21/2001 4 KB 25757 Re: Newcomer odean@m... Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB 25761 Re: Newcomer Piotr Sulkowski II Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB 25766 Re: Newcomer Deborah Johnson Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25767 Re: Newcomer Piotr Sulkowski II Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25785 Re: Newcomer scfeldman@j... Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25792 Re: Newcomer Deborah Johnson Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer >From: 'Michal Moroz' > >Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. First time I met electronic music, it was 7 >years ago (I was 12) - my father bought a compilation of Jean Michel Jarre >'Musik aus Zeit und Raum'. I loved it from the beginning. Then I met the >music of Mike Oldfield with The Songs of Distant Earth, also a great thing. >When I was 15 I saw on a german music TV in the show 'Zeit zum traumen' - >'Time to dream' TD's Towards the evening star - first piece from Goblins >Club. So I ran to the first music shop and bought me a TD cassette. It was >Pergamon. I was amazed. Four years later, I have most of TD's official >albums. I still need to collect some of the newer things, and most >soundtracks. My first four bootlegs should arrive any day from now :) >I most like the music from the late 70, early 80. But I like also some >albums from the beggining of the 70 as well as some from the 90. My top 5. >Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like >most: >Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides >I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. I'm >from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on >the polish TD newsgroup) I live temporarily in Vienna, Austria (maybe here >are some from this City, i'd like to meet you in person). >Well thats all for the beggining - I hope I will write often here :) Michal, A warm welcome to the list! We've got similar taste in TD :) Right now we're out of the album review cycle, but I'm guessing it will start up again, with discussion of one album or soundtrack each week. The list is wide open: casual fans, hardcore fans of anything TD, rabid fans of TD from 1974-1987, to the exclusion of anything else, etc. You'll see mention of other artists that either used to be part of TD, or have similar styles. Finally, you'll see the occasional (We're trying to keep it down!) little spat about the latest Edgar Froese fiascos (i-box, Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman). If you're curious about any of the new releases and the general consensus about them, feel free to ask. I'm sure you'll get 5 opinions from 4 people but hopefully it will help. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, >I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. Klaus makes it easy for you to add CDs to your collection. Just buy one of his 10-CD sets, 30-CD sets or if that isnt enough, grab his 50-CD set (you'll pay for his new Porsche if you do that, hehe) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new version!) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: odean@m... Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer At 08:45 PM 1/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. My top 5. >Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like most: >Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides > >Michal Moroz >nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja You'll fit in very well here. Welcome aboard! Oscar From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:06 am Subject: atlantic walls I don't have this disc myself, but I saw one at Best Buy this evening with a cover completely different than the one on the TD website... How many covers of this disc are known about? MJ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I'm sorry, but I've noticed that the general reaction from the crowd, when they play that stuff isn't that enthusiastic when compared to the other stuff. So it's not just me. Anyway it gives me chance to nip to the bar! On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > exclusion of everything else. > > Gary. > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 9:20 am Subject: TD discussion board opened Hi all, just as an experiment, I've created a TD board on ezboards. You can find it at: http://pub50.ezboard.com/btangs This is not meant as competition to the mailing lists, basically I am just experimenting with ezboads. It starts empty, no rules apply. Two weeks from now I'll decide if I'll keep this alive (if there are enough posts that are _not_ crossposts from the lists) or let it die silently. have fun, klaus From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, Welcome on foreign ground. From this what me it is known is us here several. Wlodek does not permit to write in our language :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on > the polish TD newsgroup) > Michal Moroz > nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 11:44 am Subject: [tadream] Only One? quick question: is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought they had lined up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be found? tanks fer da help... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder Hello dreamers: This is the second reminder for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. Sign-ups will be open until January 31, this is just a reminder for those who haven't signed up yet, or just joined the list and want to get in on it. So here's the scoop again... There are two levels of participation: Branch: one who is able (and willing) to make copies for others Leaf: one who wishes a copy, but is unable to make copies To sign up please send an email with the following information: Name Address City, State, Country email address (if different from where you're sending from) Branch or Leaf status - if you're signing up as a branch, please note how many copies you are willing and able to make to tmrtree@h... Please use this address for all correspondence regarding this project. It will be the responsibility of branches and leaves to arrange a trade that is acceptable to both parties. Branches please note that 'blanks plus return postage' MUST be an option. Not everyone has a lot to trade and we want to include everyone who's interested. Any questions, email me at the above address. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25798 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder olle.rundgren@s... Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB 25800 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB 25815 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder olle.rundgren@s... Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Complete Works of.... In a previous post somebody mentioned collections that include the Complete Works of Risky Business, The Keep, Canyon Dreams, Legend and Thief... Can anybody let me know where these might be available (especially Canyon Dreams and Legend)...Please e-mail me off-list thanks. Frank From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] atlantic walls Hi Michael, I have noticed that there is a reasonably different second cover for Atlantic Bridges (but I have no idea about re-release dates or catalogue numbers), so I already suspected that there was another cover for Atlantic Walls. If anyone has more details please post them...both covers for Atlantic Bridges are on the following page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/atlanticb.html If anyone has a copy of the different cover for Atantic Walls, a scan would be appreciated... http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/atlanticw.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Michael A Jean' >À : 'Tadreamonelist' >Objet : [tadream] atlantic walls >Date : Lun 22 jan 2001 6:06 > > I don't have this disc myself, but I saw one at Best Buy this evening with a > cover completely different than the one on the TD website... How many covers > of this disc are known about? > > MJ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, Piotr & Any Other Newcomers: I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. I've known about them for 25 years, but for some reason, didn't get a passion for them until about six months ago when I first listened to the 'Private Music of Tangerine Dream,' a compilation from their Melrose period. Now I roam East Tennesee (here in the U.S.) looking for CDs to complete my collection. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer > Hi Michal, > Welcome on foreign ground. From this what me it is known is us here several. > Wlodek does not permit to write in our language :) > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > > > I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are > on > > the polish TD newsgroup) > Michal Moroz > > nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 5:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi, Welcome on 'board' and I greet from Poland Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Hi Michal, Piotr & Any Other Newcomers: > > I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. I've > known about them for 25 years, but for some reason, didn't get a passion for > them until about six months ago when I first listened to the 'Private Music > of Tangerine Dream,' a compilation from their Melrose period. Now I roam > East Tennesee (here in the U.S.) looking for CDs to complete my collection. > > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... ---------------R---E---K---L---A---M---A----------------- INTERIA.PL jako pierwszy polski portal wchodzi na gielde. Masz szanse zainwestowac w jego akcje. Szczegoly na http://www.emisja.interia.pl/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 J. Gordon wrote: 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought they had lined up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be found?' Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. Although I'm planning to make a trip to the UK in the early part of this year, I don't really want to wait until May unless I have to, and obviously I don't want to order a ticket only to find out they're playing here (and with the quite large number of Polish contributors on this list, surely we stand a chance?). IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six footers... Maybe it's a Dream Mixes concert. Perhaps that's why we're all standing - we're going to dance. Oh dear, could it be all this techno- shite some of us worry about (although not me!) Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25769 Re: Digest Number 771 Heiko Heerssen Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25770 Re: Digest Number 771 TDI - Martin K. Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25781 T-shirts etc. Glynn Naughton Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25791 Re: Shepards Bush seating Hermes Guzman Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25788 Re: Digest Number 771 David Foster Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 gmroger@p... schrieb: > J. Gordon wrote: > 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought > they had lined > up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be > found?' > > Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. As far as I know this is the only gig in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong...Martin Kay for example ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25770 Re: Digest Number 771 TDI - Martin K. Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 At 11:20 23.01.01 , you wrote: > > >gmroger@p... schrieb: > >> J. Gordon wrote: >> 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought >> they had lined >> up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be >> found?' >> >> Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. > >As far as I know this is the only gig in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong...Martin Kay for example ;-) > >Heiko > > Hello all, yes, it´s true. Shepherd´s Bush is the only UK gig. Other gigs are planned in Portugal, Spain and possibly Holland, although the situation on this one is still very vague. We hope to get confirmations on the gigs in the next few days and then we´ll post them to the websites. We want to wait until everything is 100% sure this time, though, because we wish to avoid a situation like with the proposed '99- tour, where dates were posted and then we had to blow it all off because of problems withe tour organizer. I am asking for a little more of your patience here - when the dates are posted, this time you can be sure that they will take place. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'James Williams' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Another Newcomer Dear All, I have been following the list for some time now and have posted one or two replies but now i would like to formally introduce myself. My name is James Williams, I am 27 and a big fan of Tangerine Dream. I was introduced to TD in the late 80's by my next door neighbour who was a fan during the 70's. The first album i heard was Richocet which took some getting used to. I then bought 'The collection' which is not the best album to start with but the track 'White clouds' made an impression and kept my interest. The rest is history. I have seen TD Live 3 times and am looking forward to the Shepherds bush concert in May. My favourite TD album is Livemiles. I have a few rareties, include all singles from the Poland album, all Streethawk Singles, the 96 Shepherds bush CD, the 97 Tour CD Single, The Keep 97 Edition, The Keep (Blue Moon Boot) Etc. I used to be very active on the Tadream List at cs.uwp.edu back in 95-96 when I hosted the Tadream List T-Shirt website. The List members had decided to print an official T-Shirt and people would email there designs to me to place on the site. We never did do this though as i had to leave my job (my placement was finished) and thus close the site. Perhaps this is something we could do now? Other music interest include Jean Michel Jarre, Orb, Future Sound of London, as well as some main stream stuff. I Notice some names from the old days at cs.uwp.edu such as Glynn Naughton, Armin Theissen, Gabe Yedid. It's good to back in your company. Anyway enough waffle. Best Wishes, James Williams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25772 Re: Another Newcomer j.gordon Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25789 Re: Another Newcomer David Foster Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25834 Re: Another Newcomer Rimas Lazutka Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer Another Newcomer??? They're coming out of the woodwork... =) i wondered when the other 300 people who've signed up for this list would begin to show themselves... =) welcome to the fold, james and deborah and the others... probably the most exciting thing about this list is that Edgar and Jerome are subscribed as well, though only in lurk mode... we know this because they listen to all the discussion that goes on here and then really make an effort to produce albums and compilations that fit with everyone's views... Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman... even I-box... these have really captured the spirit of what is discussed here, brought to light in music form... ... ... sorry... just a bit of razzin'... > My favourite TD album is Livemiles. woo hoo! alright, James... that's what we want to hear... most everybody here on the list agrees that it would have been almost impossible to follow up on Tyger, but Livemiles fit the bill... ;) again, welcome... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Ben Ohmart Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? i'm curious who's bought the 50 cd set, what you thought, and where i can find other reviews. i checked his official site but could only find brief fan messages. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25790 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Robert Grabowsky Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25794 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Kees Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire HELLO! I'm member from France ,Erick Moncollin aka Doktor Strange ,and since 1980(my first Lp)plays Electronic Music , it's my job(i played with Tim Blake,Vangelis,a mythical jam , two times in a big party with Star Sounds Orchestra/Steve Schroyder & many others events,3 cds-7 lps-2 eps ...)Since 80' , electronic is,like you know more accepted with the Techno appearance , T.D. also know that 2000 Year was YESTERDAY and ALAS!ALAS!ALAS!Don't mistake ; i'm agree with your opinion (exemple:the Groundliftaz limited pre-release 5 maxis/Dreamixes 3 , the idea is good but,for me,even the two 'trance'are interessant when played at 30rpm,the 'mix'with ancient recordings is very bad(for a good mix,i must play also the original rec.at the 2nd source) and i think/feel this 'project'as a bad speculative release). I've 3700 lps&1200cds/private tapes,for me Tangerine Dream WAS a very big/good band til Optical Race/Melrose,and i must confess that i don't like this rec.Sorry!My favourite are numerous: Phaedra,Zeit,Alpha, Centauri,Elect.Meditation,Ricochet,Rubycon,Atem,Logos,etc...etc...But i like also K.Schulze(more)Ash Ra Tempel,Heldon,Neu,Brian ENO &many others..................BUT..............As my life is 50% electronic musician and 50 other% in Techno Party as Ambient DJ or Atmo-Trance Live-Act (really live,with all my fingers and brain,N computer) i'll be very interested by a good Tangerine Dream record with THEIR and Actual 'sounds',but NEW , i insist ! If you're searching for some special 'old' electronic rec. , ask , perhaps i 'll can help . I'm searching : BEEP(brian eno electronic port-folio),Bernard SZAJNER superfocial music. PLEASE ! Excuse my very bad English,i wish you a good entrance in the New Millenium , and also to all at the e-groups. Erick ,Doktor Strange/Tzi Cosmik UNITY . From: Strat95@E... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Home provider Hello Guys, I am currently at work. My home service provider is giving me a bunch of trouble right now. It might take a couple of days to get it straightened out. If anyone is trying to contact me, please be patient. I should have it all fixed in a couple of days. I am at edwinfrost@d... at work if anyone needs to get me but I cannot sunscribe here so it will have to be straight e-mails only. Thanks for the understanding and patience. Hope to be back soon Neal From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: RE: Valley of the Sun Napster versions I find a lot of stuff on Napster that is short because someone forgot to delete an incomplete track, and someone else copied it thinking it must be the whole thing. Before you know it, dozens of people have an incomplete version of some track. My Advice: download it and I'm sure you'll find that it just cuts off somewhere in the middle. Some unwitting person not realizing that the track should be 15 minutes, thought 7 minutes MUST be the entire track. If you use Napster, please set the 'Delete incomplete downloads' option. This will help avoid this kind of confusion. James > -----Original Message----- > Speaking of which, is anybody aware of 'edits' of VoTS? > I taped this piece off a friend a couple of years ago and subsequently > misplaced the tape (it's not lost yet!). I seem to remember this piece > being > in the 15 minute range lengthwise. When I look for it on Napster, I find > versions that are about 7 and 10 minutes in length. What's the deal with > these? Are these promo versions or something? > > Gabe > > From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Getting into the blocks; Where can I order tickets? Hi all, Just to stand ready to the big day, could someone with the knowhow tell me where to get tickets to the Sheperds Bush gig. Now that I am able to attend, I would'nt miss it for the world! Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25778 Re: Getting into the blocks; Where can I order ti Phil Wingfield Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Getting into the blocks; Where can I order tickets? www.ticketweb.co.uk > Hi all, > > Just to stand ready to the big day, could someone with the knowhow tell me > where to get tickets to the Sheperds Bush gig. > Now that I am able to attend, I would'nt miss it for the world! > > Best Regards > > Geir From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: [tadream] Legend DVD Hi all, Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the IMDB... Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: [tadream] TD in France Hi all, It seems unlikely that TD will give a concert in France in May after all according to Martin from TDI, so I'll have to decide which way to go, east to Germany or west to London, what do you think...It would be nice to meet some other fans after more than 20 years of collecting! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25784 TD in France Gary Jenkins Tue 1/23/2001 1 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: T-shirts etc. James Williams: >I used to be very active on the Tadream List at cs.uwp.edu back in >95-96 when I hosted the Tadream List T-Shirt website. The List >members had decided to print an official T-Shirt and people would >email there designs to me to place on the site. We never did do this >though as i had to leave my job (my placement was finished) and thus >close the site. Perhaps this is something we could do now? Ha! I'd totally forgotten about that. I seem to remember Craig Cordrey turning up at the '96 Shepherds Bush show wearing his 'dreaming tangerine' t-shirt, though. (Coming in May, Craig?) I even submitted a design myself which I thought was quite funny, but for the life of me I now don't have the faintest recollection of what it was... Roger: >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the .standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six >footers... Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall from the waist up :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25791 Re: Shepards Bush seating Hermes Guzman Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD >From: 'Paul Fellows' > >Hi all, > >Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember >anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the >IMDB... IMDB lists every movie that's had ANY kind of release... TV, theatrical, etc. Legend DVD is not out and there is no release date, due to rights issues with some of the extras. From amazon.com... Legend (Collector's Edition) (1986) List Price: $34.98 Our Price: $27.99 You Save: $6.99 (20%) Release date to be announced: The release date for this video has not been finalized. You may still order this title. We will ship it to you as soon as it is available; your credit card will not be charged until we have shipped it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD Paul- Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the correct DVD and where can *I* find one. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows [SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > IMDB... > > Paul > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: TD in France HI Paul go west to London you will not have to wait so long. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:13:29 -0500 'Deborah Johnson' writes: >I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. >[. . .] looking for CDs to complete my collection. Well, you've got your work cut out for you, even if you just want to obtain all the official releases, not counting CD singles and solo albums! X-0 -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD Paul Fellows wrote: > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > IMDB... The disc itself hasn't been released yet...only the cover art has. Legend was supposed to come out in late fall, but that didn't happen, and a new street date has yet to be announced. Even so, you can pre-order it from Amazon.com for 27.99. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD It was scheduled for release for the last week in November and it was pulled indefinately because of problems with the copyright to certain extras on the 2 disc set. I pasted this news to the list in December. -Morgan >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0600 > >Paul- > Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with >buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they >had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and >were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went >all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie >of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, >including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the >correct DVD and where can *I* find one. > >Thanks! > >Regards, > >Joel > >On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows >[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't >remember > > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > > IMDB... > > > > Paul > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > >The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 Roger said 'IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six > footers... > > Maybe it's a Dream Mixes concert. Perhaps that's why we're all > standing - we're going to dance. Oh dear, could it be all this techno- > shite some of us worry about (although not me!) > > Roger Hartopp ' Roger try booking a ticket for the unreserved seating / standing in the First Level. I am doing that this time. I know what you mean about standing up all that time. After a long day in London standing up is not easy, especially when some of the others are taller than you....just joking tall people. I expect my daughter is going to want to go, so seating is better. I remember at the last Klaus Schulze concert I went to, we were all getting older and people were turning up with their entire families. TD lets' have some seats. David From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer James said 'Dear All, I have been following the list for some time now and have posted one or two replies but now i would like to formally introduce myself.' Welcome. Hey we share the same musical interests, but I am not so much a fan as I was of JMJ. Enjoy the list David From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? I bought each set as it came out except for the silver edition which I have on CDR. I enjoy all of the sets but I was not really happy about duplicating a couple of the disc when I got the last 10 of what is the Ultimate Edition. If you are thinking you want them it is probably the best way to get all of them if you have none. It is very hard to find the Silver, Historic, and Jubille Editions by themselves as they were limited to 1000 each, if memory serves me correctly. They are a must for any diehard Klaus Schulze fan. Don't miss out, THE HIGHLANDER At 07:32 AM 1/23/01 -0800, you wrote: >i'm curious who's bought the 50 cd set, what you >thought, and where i can find other reviews. i checked >his official site but could only find brief fan >messages. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25794 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Kees Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Shepards Bush seating > 'Glynn Naughton' > >Roger: > > >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > >standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all > >six footers... > > Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. > You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall > from the waist up :-) > > Glynn ...Or get stuck in front of a couple of yobbos who are dressed for a Motorhead show and are in another reality due to recreational pharmaceuticals, causing the female of the pair to randomly comment on the show using the same four statements: 'Sex', 'Jazz Guitar', 'Lights', 'Music'-eventually keeping time to whatever *she's* listening to with her foot on the back of your chair (and you when she misses...) I wish I was going. Enjoy the show!:) goozer From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Steven: > Well, you've got your work cut out for you, even if you just want > to obtain all the official releases, not counting CD singles and solo > albums! X-0 Well...not necessarily 'complete' collection...how about a 'more complete' collection? One of the things I enjoy the most about TD is that there are so much minutiae to enjoying them. You have to learn periods, member changes, labels, some fifty-odd album titles, and unique terminology ('technoshite') to follow discussions. One thing about being a newer fan (even though I'm an old timer), is that I don't have any favorite albums or tracks yet. I'm still feeling my way around the scene. I have no problems listening to 'Atem' full blast and dancing around the house, then putting on the two 'Tang-go' CDs. Retrospectively, why not let the music speak for itself? Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: -=brian=- Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:12 am Subject: Music for sale Hi! I have a couple of Tangerine Dream CDs that I need to get rid of. I've got copies of: Somnambulistic Imagery (2CD) Collected Endings (1CD) 3 Tier Dream Disc 3 (1CD) I am asking $9 for Som Img, and $5 each for the other two. Please email me if you are interested. I also have a bunch of other CDs for sale too -- if you are interested in the full list, please email me off the mailing list for that. Thanks! -=brian=- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25795 Re: Music for sale Joe Shoults Wed 1/24/2001 2 KB 27482 Music for sale olle.rundgren@s... Sun 6/24/2001 2 KB 27486 Re: Music for sale Frank Arellano Mon 6/25/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? At 17:22 23/01/2001 -0500, you wrote: > I bought each set as it came out except for the silver edition which I >have on CDR. I enjoy all of the sets but I was not really happy about >duplicating a couple of the disc when I got the last 10 of what is the >Ultimate Edition. > If you are thinking you want them it is probably the best way to get all >of them if you have none. It is very hard to find the Silver, Historic, and >Jubille Editions by themselves as they were limited to 1000 each, if memory >serves me correctly. > They are a must for any diehard Klaus Schulze fan. Hi, An original Music Intemporelle Silver Edition from 1993 is available at Groove for US$ 109.00 http://www.groove.nl The re-issue is available for $ 101.00 All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Music for sale most of you know that this type of activity is prohibited on the list, but for those of you who don't, please do not solicit the sale of bootlegs on this list. If you have *licensed* music to trade or sell, that's fine, but bootlegs fly in the face of showing any respect for TD's licensing and copyrights. BTW, it is perfectly OK to ask people to contact you offlist. Thank you, Joe Moderator -----Original Message----- Hi! I have a couple of Tangerine Dream CDs that I need to get rid of. I've got copies of: Somnambulistic Imagery (2CD) Collected Endings (1CD) 3 Tier Dream Disc 3 (1CD) From: Strat95@E... Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Trades Hello guys, Before my internet provider went ape shit and started billing me for every other member on record and driving my bank account so far in the whole I am speeking Japanese, I was in contact with a couple of people regarding trades. This was just the discussions from last week. Would you please contact me at my work e-mail address. Thank you for your understanding. Neal Frost Edwinfrost@d... From: 'Mike Oles' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: New Member I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music for many years. I have most of the official releases, I don't however, have much else. My favorites include most of the releases during the Virgin Years. Looking forward to learning more about Tangerine Drean and their music. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder T. Richmond wrote: >Hello dreamers: CDR tree. Sign-ups will be open until January 31, this is just a reminder for those >who haven't signed up yet, or just joined the list and want to get in on it. Hi Tom, I may have missed an earlier posting here. I'm curious about how this all works. I am familiar with the term tape tree and basically understand the branch and leaf thing. But what triggers a trade ? Are the leaves supposed to be in contact with one branch or do the leaves move freely around in the tree? Is there some kind of branch ranking, regarding size of collection and capacity to copy etc.? Would be great with an answer to this before Jan 31st, thanks. And..: To Doktor Strange - I might be able to help you in your quest for Bernard SZAJNER. You are welcome to contact me off-list and... About The Schulze - Silver Edition. I think there were 2000 copies made (right Kees?). Still easy to find reasonably priced second hand copies on Ebay every now and then. I haven't got any of these sets yet, Schulze is best in small portions. Still might be an idea to consider buying. I have a feeling they might end up as ridiculously overprized as the complete private Tapes by Ashra in the future. Then it would be too late for a poor millionaire. /Olle From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 5:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New Member welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Oles [mailto:ekimselo@h...] > Subject: [tadream] New Member > > > I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new > member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder basically, you just contact tom and say whether you can make copies (branch) or not (leaf). He then assigns you to a spot in the tree hierarchy. We will release the full tree structure after the deadline of January 31st. I'm changing the link in our footers to make this easier. click the e-mail link below that is appropriate for you and include your mailing address in the body. We will give further instructions when he's got the tree structure laid out. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] ... > I may have missed an earlier posting here. I'm curious about > how this all > works. I am familiar with the term tape tree and basically > understand the > branch and leaf thing. But what triggers a trade ? Are the > leaves supposed > to be in contact with one branch or do the leaves move freely > around in the > tree? Is there some kind of branch ranking, regarding size of > collection and > capacity to copy etc.? > Would be great with an answer to this before Jan 31st, thanks. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 2:13 am Subject: CDR tree Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? Cheers, - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25802 Re: CDR tree gnmorgan@b... Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25803 Re: CDR tree Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25806 Re: CDR tree Feldon Feldon Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: CDR tree Chris, have a look at message number 25640 for details... Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? > > Cheers, > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: CDR tree Thanks for the pointer, Gary. I have also updated the Dreamwatcher's Tales page with this info: http://www.tadream.net/musos/dwassets -Joe > -----Original Message----- > Chris, > have a look at message number 25640 for details... > Gary. > --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' > wrote: > > Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as > to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re (tadream Legend DVD Seems the Legend DVD is popular. Is that because you want it for the music? Do you like the film as well? I liked it. Tim Curry plays a good Darkness. Its surprising to think its the same actor who also played the lead in Rocky Horror Picture Show. Come to think of it............what has Rocky Horror and TD got in common? ..... a devoted following of fans. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: CLOMAN44@A... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: Remove my name... Could somebody tell me how to remove my name from the list so that I can stop receiving all the e-mail messages from tadream. I can not possibly read all of them... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25807 Re: Remove my name... GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CDR tree Dreamwatchers is a CD of music by members of this list. Some is Tangerine Dream inspired, some is just great electronic or progressive rock music. This is the second such disc of its kind. -Morgan P.S. if it were a new bootleg announcement, you would NOT see it being announced here. >From: 'Chris Owen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'tadream Mailing List' >Subject: [tadream] CDR tree >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:13:06 -0800 > >Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is >actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the >recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? > >Cheers, > >- Chris > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Remove my name... In a message dated 25/01/01 21:29:29 GMT Standard Time, CLOMAN44@A... writes: > Could somebody tell me how to remove my name from the list so that I can > stop > receiving all the e-mail messages from tadream. I can not possibly read > all > of them... > > Go to www.egroups.com and find tadream in your list. Next to it there will > be a pull down options box. Highlight unsubscribe. Then press update. > Tadream should go from your list Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is THE BEST - Frank Zappa 1940 - 1993 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:20 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] New Member Welcome to the list of ' Dreamers '. Enjoy :o) Cheers Poul > I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new > member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music > for many years. I have most of the official releases, I don't > however, have much else. My favorites include most of the releases > during the Virgin Years. Looking forward to learning more about > Tangerine Drean and their music. From: 'James Williams' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD For people in the UK you can pre-order the region 1 disc from www.play247.com for £17.99. They dont have a release date but when it is available you will have it within a week. Price includes VAT and delivery. This is an excellent source for region 1 discs for people in the UK. I have ordered a lot of discs from them with no problems whatsoever. James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD > It was scheduled for release for the last week in November and it was pulled > indefinately because of problems with the copyright to certain extras on the > 2 disc set. I pasted this news to the list in December. > > -Morgan > > > >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0600 > > > >Paul- > > Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with > >buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they > >had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and > >were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went > >all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie > >of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, > >including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the > >correct DVD and where can *I* find one. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Regards, > > > >Joel > > > >On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows > >[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't > >remember > > > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > > > IMDB... > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom > >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > >The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom > >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'James Williams' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 1:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepards Bush seating I remember being at the Leeds Town and Country Club during the 97 UK Tour and a 6 foot plus guy was dancing (actually a rather exaggerated sway) in front of me. So, not only was he occupying over 6 foot of space vertically he also took up about 12 foot of space to either side of him! James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Hermes Guzman' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepards Bush seating > > 'Glynn Naughton' > > >Roger: > > > > >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > > >standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > > > > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > > >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all > > >six footers... > > > > Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. > > You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall > > from the waist up :-) > > > > Glynn > > ...Or get stuck in front of a couple of yobbos who are dressed for a > Motorhead show and are in another reality due to recreational > pharmaceuticals, causing the female of the pair to randomly comment > on the show using the same four statements: 'Sex', 'Jazz Guitar', > 'Lights', 'Music'-eventually keeping time to whatever *she's* > listening to with her foot on the back of your chair (and you when she > misses...) > > I wish I was going. Enjoy the show!:) > > goozer > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:29 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25812 (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? tei waz Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB 25813 (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? tei waz Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:30 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:31 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz (sorry if you rcvd several copies of this) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Whilst playing Mars I came across this quote in a local paper.... The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder >We will give further instructions when he's got the tree structure laid out. >-Joe The winter is making me dizzy and I must have missed a lot lately. I thought of ...well, something else. Still it sounds interesting and I will sign up. Thanks Joe and Tom for rapid replies. Must ask again though, didn't somebody mention another tree project here recently...? /Olle np: Adelaide -75 From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I don't think TD will be in the US again. -Morgan >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com, teiwaz@h... >Subject: [tadream] (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:29:37 -0800 > >I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North >American >club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure >would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A >few others here must feel the same. > >Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in >May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? > >Thanks in advance. > >--teiwaz >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 773 > From: 'Glynn Naughton' > Subject: T-shirts etc. > > Ha! I'd totally forgotten about that. I seem to remember Craig > Cordrey turning up at the '96 Shepherds Bush show wearing > his 'dreaming tangerine' t-shirt, though. (Coming in May, Craig?) I > even submitted a design myself which I thought was quite funny, but > for the life of me I now don't have the faintest recollection of what > it was... And I still have the t-shirt! Might even wear it, if I decide to go to London this May. Haven't made my mind up yet. May have to wait until I know where I'll be working (might be in Portsmouth which would make the journey a bit easier). Craig From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:18 am Subject: Edgar & Klaus on HOS In some markets this week, the radio program 'Hearts of Space' is featuring the music of Cosmos, including parts of EF's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale and KS's Wahnfried 1883. http://www.hos.com n.p. - HOS [epsilon in malaysian pale] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:46 am Subject: Okay, I'm going! I've just booked my ticket over the web. So, I've decided to delay my return trip to the UK from Poland so I can see the concert on the 12th. I've decided that after spending a long day in London I will go for the unrestricted balcony seating, so, David, I look forward to seeing you there. To all you fans - for those of us who would like to meet up beforehand and say hello to each other, find out what we look like and discover whether we're a sensible bunch of fun loving music fans or a collection of anoraks - I suggest let's confirm the bar, pub or restaurant closer to the time. I look forward to the concert and meeting you all! (in that order) 104 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes and thirty seconds to go... Roger Hartopp -- From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Shepherds Bush My ticket arrived in the snailmail on Friday. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Oktober I can't believe my luck! My wife is suggesting we go to Berlin in October so that I can see TD, my daughter can practise her German and we can see the city we have always wanted to visit. Anyone have any suggestions of cheap accommodation? Does anyone know the dates for Berlin? Who is going? It would be great to meet up. Thanks in advance. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25842 Re: Oktober Heiko Heerssen Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25843 Re: Oktober Rainer Rutka Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: My Tribute CD Hi All As some of you might remember (early last year) I mentioned that I was recording some TD tracks for a Tribute Album. Unfortunately, the whole deal fell flat on it's face, and it has been left in limbo. As a Christmas present this year, I did a small number of CDr's (on a borrowed Philips machine) for a few friends who had shown an interest in the project. The feedback has been positive, so I though that instead of it staying in limbo for evermore and a day, I would release it to any members of the group that would be interested. This message is just to see if there is enough interest out there for me to do it. I don't yet own a CD writer, but am willing to invest (I know I shan't regret it, I'm just looking for a good excuse) in one. If anyone wants to have a quick listen to some excerpt mp3's, they are still on my old (but defunct) website for download. The address is: http://zozo.demon.co.uk I decided to do the same as the latest project, no charge. All I would require is two 74min blank CDR's. If you are interested in a copy, could you please send an email to: tdproject@t...@netscapeonline.co.uk So as not to interfere with the DREAMWATCHERS TALES, I will not start this until distribution of DT has finished. While I'm on the subject, please support this (and I'm not saying it because I'm on it), but there is bound to be at least one track you will like. I've copied the info for it below: Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?su bject=please include me as BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?s ubject=please include me as LEAF my address is: All the best -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Hi Richard, Since you are going to start distributing the CDr, I just wanted to ask if you have composed this music yourself or if they are TD remixes? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25824 Re: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard Ford Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD In message <021401c0894e$5b80dc80$27fb423e@y...>, Glenn Folkvord writes >Hi Richard, > >Since you are going to start distributing the CDr, I just wanted to ask if >you have composed this music yourself or if they are TD remixes? > >Glenn They are my covers of TD tracks. Please look at http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk. All but the Chronozon track will be on it (because it was left as 'work in progress') All the best -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Correct email address for Tribute CDR Sorry for the incorrect email address. It should be: tdproject.theroom2@n... Cheers -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: right, 3rd time lucky This address SHOULD be OK: tdprojec@t... It does work...i've just tried it Really.... -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD > They are my covers of TD tracks. So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25828 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Feldon Feldon Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB 25833 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Pergamon Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25829 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard Ford Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > > > They are my covers of TD tracks. > >So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25833 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Pergamon Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD In message <033601c0896b$27ce2060$27fb423e@y...>, Glenn Folkvord writes >> They are my covers of TD tracks. > >So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) any percentage of nothing will always be nothing. -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 5:29 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Feldon Feldon > Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. It depends on what is on those records. If there are cover versions, they should have gotten permissions, by paying fees to their local copyright office. There is one in every country. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25831 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Glenn Folkvord Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 5:28 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard, > any percentage of nothing will always be nothing. You misunderstand. Without paying the relevant fees you dont have permission to distribute cover versions/remixes. It is not about you making a profit or not. Permission is given automatically when the relevant fees have been paid. Are you forgetting that TDI officials read this list? I have organized a Jarre tribute with cover versions so I know a little about this. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Concert Hi all, here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 pm. Ticket`s you can order at end of february under: +49-541-349024 or www.osnabrueck.de/klangart Original message of this you found at the new issue of the KS Circle published by KDM. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany please look at my Tangerine dream Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25835 Re: Klaus Schulze Concert Michal Moroz Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25877 Re: Klaus Schulze Concert AirWave Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. -Morgan Hello Morgan Whatever gave you that idea????? of course they paid royalties to TD, and yes, they got permission. I am currently under the same Record-company as these guys which made TD ambience 1 & 2, and as far as I know, they did. Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer Hello, James, that was nice to discover you i listen to fsol as well as orb i have a question for ya do you consider fsol's 'lifeforms' as a reinvention of old TD's style for new generations Thanks in advance, Rimas Lazutka Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Concert >Hi all, >here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: >he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 >pm. >Ticket`s you can order at end of february under: >+49-541-349024 or www.osnabrueck.de/klangart What a pity, more than 10-12 hours away is a bit to far away for me. If the concert was in Munich I would go. Michal From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: My Tribute CD Can anyone recommend the best way to contact TD themselves so I can clear this up. Until further notice, any offer of 'TRIBUTE' is cancelled. Sorry -- Richard Ford From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush 12 May Hi all, As I was at Shepherd's Bush in '96 but didn't meet anyone from this list because I didn't have a computer at the time and hence didn't know any of you, can I take this opportunity to suggest something: Could everyone who is going please drop me a quick message, giving a few details about yourselves (name, how long you've been a fan, which country you come from, how you can be identified at the concert and/or where you would like to meet up before the concert, stuff like that). Of course, you are not obliged to do this, and anyone who wishes to remain just a face in the crowd can ignore this message, but it would be great to get to know as many people as possible, especially as I'm coming from France and will be by myself this time (last time my fiancée complained about having to stand up for 3 hours, and she doesn't want to repeat the experience!) Cheers all, Paul Fellows http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25839 Re: Shepherd's Bush 12 May Geir Smedsrud Mon 1/29/2001 4 KB 26150 Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Rainer Rutka Tue 2/27/2001 2 KB 34637 Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey Rainer Rutka Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34647 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34662 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou heineu Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:39 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Hi everyone, Just a spot of heavy irony for you all to consider...... A year or two ago, TDI ended their information-support to independently-run fanzines such as Dream Collector, citing the fact that any and all information surrounding Tangerine Dream, their music, releases, concerts and other activities could be accessed from their website; a sound idea in principle. That is, until we consider the fact that many of us, including myself, already have tickets for a concert which, had I relied solely on their website for information, I would, to this day, know absolutely nothing about. Still, roll on May 12th! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26021 Shepherd's Bush Scott Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush 12 May Bon Soir Paul, good idea. My name is Geir Smedsrud, currently from Oslo, Norway. I have been a fan since I discovered TD during my military stint in -86. Currently working as a clerk in an government agency, namely the directorate for the prevention of drugs- and alcohol misuse :-) I do drink, thoug... I have been on and off this mailinglist since, about -94 I guess, but I have never been the most vocal. I'm not a collector either per see, but that could change. If you're assembling mug-shots you could grab mine from my miserable and underdeveloped homepage at http://home.online.no/~rsmedsru/pics/MEG.GIF I plan to come in on friday and leave monday, but I won't reserve anything untill it's officially ON. I plan to stay in the Sheperds Bush - Hammersmith area, but I don't know the local water holes, so I leave it up to someone else to suggest a meeting place. ABTW, I am coming alone too. Keep us informed, will you :-) Geir At 19:05 29.01.01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >As I was at Shepherd's Bush in '96 but didn't meet anyone from this list >because I didn't have a computer at the time and hence didn't know any of >you, can I take this opportunity to suggest something: > >Could everyone who is going please drop me a quick message, giving a few >details about yourselves (name, how long you've been a fan, which country >you come from, how you can be identified at the concert and/or where you >would like to meet up before the concert, stuff like that). > >Of course, you are not obliged to do this, and anyone who wishes to remain >just a face in the crowd can ignore this message, but it would be great to >get to know as many people as possible, especially as I'm coming from France >and will be by myself this time (last time my fiancée complained about >having to stand up for 3 hours, and she doesn't want to repeat the >experience!) > >Cheers all, > >Paul Fellows > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Best Regards Geir From: 'James Williams' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush Mine Arrived This morning J. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > My ticket arrived in the snailmail on Friday. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: fstephe@a... Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:26 am Subject: stuff for sale I have some rare tapes for sale. If anybody is interested please e-mail me privately for a list. The groups include Three, ELPowell, Genesis, Marillion, Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield. I am not gauging the prices. I am trying to find good homes for them and just want to recoup the price of the tape and postage that I paid. Thanks. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oktober David Foster schrieb: > Anyone have any suggestions of cheap accommodation? Does anyone know the dates for Berlin? Who is going? It would be great to meet up. Hi Gang, the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. As usual I will wear my old 'Rocket to Russia' t-shirt (does anyone on this list know the Ramones...? ;-) I don't know any cheap accomodation, but as far I remember the city of Bernau has its own homepage and there was also a listing of guest houses and hotels. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25843 Re: Oktober Rainer Rutka Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oktober On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. As usual I will wear my old 'Rocket to Russia' t-shirt (does anyone on this list know the Ramones...? ;-) :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:23 am Subject: What! it's turning brown! Hello all, first, sorry to post a private post on the group yesterday, but nothing in it is a secret :-) secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. Is this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one that I have that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because it's my favorite. Med vennlig hilsen Geir Smedsrud Avdeling for engros- og tilvirkningsbevillinger Rusmiddeldirektoratet Tlf. 22 24 65 54 geir.smedsrud@r... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25848 Re: What! it's turning brown! Alexander Bjelke Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25849 Re: What! it's turning brown! Antonio Nunes Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25852 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25850 Re: What! it's turning brown! Phil White Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25853 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25858 Re: What! it's turning brown! PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25851 Re: What! it's turning brown! Vincent Goudreault Tue 1/30/2001 3 KB 25854 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: ebay auction hi everyone i have listed a few of my spare TD items on ebay please have a look,there may be something you need!!! http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=duncan41&includ\ e=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mckee17@m... Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: ebay items hi again the link is not working just search under my ebay name duncan41 thanks From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Oktober On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. This is a TD concert? What city? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25868 SV: [tadream] Oktober Glenn Folkvord Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! > > Hello all, > > first, sorry to post a private post on the group yesterday, but nothing in > it is a secret :-) > > secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown > colour. Is > this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one > that I have > that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because > it's my favorite. CD's will only last for 30+ years (depends on a lot of factors, like light, humidity and such) -The myth that they will last forever is not true. But I don't know if thats what happening to your disc though... regards Alexander From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud wrote: > > secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. Is > this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one that I have > that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because > it's my favorite. Hello Geir, nice to see you again on tadream. If I were you, I would make a CDR copy of that brown Rubycon before it's too late. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25852 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown ( well not yet anyway... ) This is a new phenomenon to me at least. Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it with real pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). ATB Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25853 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25858 Re: What! it's turning brown! PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:50:24 -0000 > From: 'Phil White' > Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! > > I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown > ( well not yet anyway... ) > This is a new phenomenon to me at least. > Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? > I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it > with real > pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). > > ATB Phil > Very strange. My copy has ALWAYS had some sort of a golden tint into it, but it hasn't changed over the last 10 years... Unless that would be Ricochet... I always end up listening to those two back to back. C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25854 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Thanks Antonio, that was indeed a good idea! Hope you're well on your island paradise my friend :-). I have no plans to vacate this list for a while now. At 17:02 30.01.01 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Geir, nice to see you again on tadream. If I were you, I would >make a CDR copy of that brown Rubycon before it's too late. > >Antonio Nunes > Best Regards Geir From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! I tried to scan the cd to show you how it looks. It is only on the text-side it has the tinge, and while the scan is less than perfect, you can clearly see the redish - brown tinge. I uploaded the picture for those of you who want to take a look, it's about 65k. http://home.online.no/~rsmedsru/pics/rubycon.png Best regards, Geir At 18:50 30.01.01 +0000, you wrote: >I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown >( well not yet anyway... ) >This is a new phenomenon to me at least. >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? >I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it >with real pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). ATB Phil From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What! it's turning brown! I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years. Some play, some don't. I remember hearing that there were problems in one or more pressing plants that caused this. Off the top of my head brown CDs include a few on the Island label, the Velvet Underground's Another View and the first version of Peter Hammill's 'Fall of the House of Usher'. In the case of the latter I think the record company actually recognised the problem and offered to replace copies as long as they had stocks. Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Winston Edmond Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud : > my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. > Is this a known property of cds? Tell your Significant Other that not liking that sort of music doesn't excuse using the CD as a coffee cup coaster. :-) -WBE From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:56 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! >I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown >( well not yet anyway... ) >This is a new phenomenon to me at least. >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? My copy of White Eagle, the first TD studio album I bought (bought extracts from Poland the same day), is the old version with framed cover. I hate that cover. It has always been brown since I bought it, and I think that colour is kinda cool. It seems to have been made that way, because it's really very brown, specially on the edges. It looks really burnt. My copy of Tangram is also the old one, but it looks 'not-brown'. I have quite a few CDRs, not-so-good-quality CDRs, that are also turning brown with time (or with use?). Their printed surface is (used to be) plain white, now it's getting a brownish colour. gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What! it's turning brown! I said: > I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process described as 'bronzing'... Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! At 01.01.30-18:50, Phil White wrote: >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? My copy of _White Eagle_ seems to suffering from the same malady Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Hello! It make 19years that i have this record and 'no problemo'with(&like others),and i play-played it since 82. I suggest to you AS Tangerine Dream 'fan', AS Dj (like me) to acquire a VYNIL copy ( just to 'smell'the fantastic feeling of one of numerous 'apogee'of T.D. with the carton-cover & the normal-good-cracking of LP.) ERICK aka Döktor STRANGE & Tzi cosmik UNITY ( Atmo-Trance Live-Act & Ambient Mix-3sources) From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 1:49 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Hello again everyone: This is the last call for sign-ups for the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 2-CDR tree. Details, including a track listing can be found at www.tadream.net . If you'd like to participate, please send an email with your name and snail mail address to tmrtree@h... . At this time we have more branches than necessary so all further sign-ups will be added as leaves. Any questions, please email me at the above address. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25879 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Eric Rochon Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB 25884 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Joe Shoults Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Eric Rochon Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25886 White Cloths Steve Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:36 -0000 'Steve' writes: > >I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years >Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process >described as 'bronzing'... Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the plastic. Conventional record company-released CDs only have an optimal playback life of 5 years, after which the steel begins to oxidize so much that signal loss begins to be an issue. Gold CDs, however, have a projected optimal playback life of 80-120 years. By oxidation, I basically mean rust. That's why the CDs are turning brown. I'm surprised that they don't turn dark orange instead. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25864 Re: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) Joel S. Mullen Wed 1/31/2001 3 KB 25865 Re: Bronzing CDs Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:03:04 -0000 'David Foster' writes: >Whilst playing Mars I came across this quote in a local paper.... > >The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the >universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. They've contacted us. It's just that our governments think we're too stupid to be told. They're right. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher From: 'S.C.Slator' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Check this out I know some of you are aware of my ventures into musical composition. Over the past year, my music has gone from the dark, barren atmospheres inspired by early Tangerine Dream through to more melodic instrumental music, which I believe will be enjoyed more by fans of Mike Oldfield and Schmoelling/Haslinger-era Tangerine Dream. My new CD, 'The Art of Deception' concentrates on the melodic nature added to past two albums, recorded with MIDI sequencers as opposed to MOD/XM trackers to make the sound more professional. The CD runs for almost 51 minutes and contains 8 tracks, ranging from 4-10 minutes. There are free CD-quality MP3 downloads available at http://www.mp3.com/simonslator which you can download at your own convenience. There are also Low-quality MP3s that can be downloaded on 32-56kbps modems. If you like sequence-based music, you'll enjoy the title track and the 10min long 'Rites of Passion'. If 'Tangram' and 'Underwater Sunlight' are favourites, you'll enjoy 'Domains', and if you like 'Green Desert', check out 'The Last of What Remains'. Please consider downloading the tracks - if you like what you hear, please either consider buying the CD or at least e-mail me (simon@s...) with any comments or suggestions. Thanks Simon Slator http://www.mp3.com/simonslator http://www.simonslator.co.uk From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) Steven- I thought the metal layer laminated inside the disc was Aluminum, not steel. So it could not rust, just oxidize. And that would only occur if there was damage to the plastic surface or edge of the CD. Maybe some older CDs did use something other than Al for a data layer, but I am unaware of that (at least they never told me ;-) Regards, Joel On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:52 AM, scfeldman@j... [SMTP:scfeldman@j...] wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:36 -0000 'Steve' writes: > > > >I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years > >Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process > >described as 'bronzing'... > > Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant > oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the > plastic. Conventional record company-released CDs only have > an optimal playback life of 5 years, after which the steel > begins to oxidize so much that signal loss begins to be an > issue. Gold CDs, however, have a projected optimal playback > life of 80-120 years. > By oxidation, I basically mean rust. That's why the CDs > are turning brown. I'm surprised that they don't turn dark > orange instead. > > -- Steven Feldman > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25865 Re: Bronzing CDs Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs >I thought the metal layer laminated inside the disc was Aluminum, >not steel. So it could not rust, just oxidize... Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. When the sulphur has eaten through the lacquer the oxygen in the air will reach the aluminum and it will oxidize. Eventually the CD will stop playing... Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... Full story: http://classical.efront.com/music/guide/society/krs/excerpt3.html Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: >Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' >near the center hole... €0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Rolf Elfström wrote: > > Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly > found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) > between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum > cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. > (...) > Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' > near the center hole... Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled 'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25869 Re: Bronzing CDs Neal Frost Wed 1/31/2001 3 KB 25870 Re: Bronzing CDs Frank Arellano Thu 2/1/2001 4 KB 26009 Re: Bronzing CDs tom george Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26013 Re: Bronzing CDs Antonio Nunes Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26031 Re: Bronzing CDs John Marchington Wed 2/14/2001 5 KB 26036 Re: Bronzing CDs Gustavo Jobim Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 10:19 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Oktober > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. This is a TD concert? What city? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Made in UK by PDO is on my inner ring of White Eagle as well. However, mine has not started to turn colors. It has ALWAYS had a very slight goldish tint to it on the top side of the disc. The under side is still silver looking. I am playing it now and it still sounds great! Of course, that could just be that the music ON THE disc is GREAT! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: PENFOLD To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ;tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/01 4:11:22 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... €0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 12:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Hey Neal, did you receive my two emails. I had to resend them to a different address, because the first ones came back undeliverable. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Made in UK by PDO is on my inner ring of White Eagle as well. However, mine has not started to turn colors. It has ALWAYS had a very slight goldish tint to it on the top side of the disc. The under side is still silver looking. I am playing it now and it still sounds great! Of course, that could just be that the music ON THE disc is GREAT! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: PENFOLD To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ;tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/01 4:11:22 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... ?0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 6:16 am Subject: re: my tribute CD re: my tribute CD It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the U.S. anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody and voila the problem goes away. Perhaps you can just ape the ambient monkeys CD. --teiwaz (needs sleep--too much live blue floyd last night) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 8:38 am Subject: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) - NO ! >Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant >oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the >plastic. I know nothing about the original problem ('browning' of CDs), but this I know: you _are_ wrong. The reflective layer on CDs is not laminated, it's sputtered. Materials used have been Aluminum and Silver (for the more common, silvery looking disks) and Gold. Certainly, positively, definitely: there is no steel. I've been working for companies that supplied the machines and the materials, so this is first hand knowledge. 99.x % of all CDs are coated with Aluminum, and that's oxidised at the surface already, right after the coating. The process is self-limiting, so all's stable afterwards. The 'best' way to destroy the Al is by halides (Chlorine, Fluorine) from the ink used on the printing side. This actually happend in the early days of CDs, until 'safe' inks were always used. TD's 'Flashpoint' was one of the CDs affected by what was then called 'CD rot'. Playable copies of the original HMI release of Flashpoint are a super-rarity. Even 'rotted' ones are rare, as most have been recalled. cheers, klaus From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD > It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the U.S. > anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody and > voila the problem goes away. When Weird Al Yankowics (sp?), an US based parody musician, use famous songs he does pay copyright fees because his CDs are filled with the songs, he does not hide where the songs come from and he credits the original composers. If he had a stand-up show, used 30 seconds of a song to joke with the artist, and recorded it for a CD release he wouldnt have to pay because it comes under the term fair use, as parody. If a radio station used 30 seconds of a song as a jingle for a show, they'd have to pay royalties because that does not come under the term fair use. If someone were to release a CD with cover versions, be it for a tribute or parody CD, obviously the original composers must be credited and the problem still remains. If the original composers are not credited, it will appear that the artist composed the music and it will be up to the courts to decide if the songs are similar enough to TD's if TDI decide to sue. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25881 Re: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD Feldon Feldon Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: see you Hi, I'll be on vacation for the coming 10 days, skiing in the South of France. So if you don't get a reply from me you know why. :-) Later! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25875 Re: see you Joe Shoults Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB 25876 Re: see you DoKToR STRaNGe Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 3:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] see you I know you sent that just to make us all jealous! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > I'll be on vacation for the coming > 10 days, skiing in the South of France. > So if you don't get a reply from me > you know why. :-) > > Later! > Marcel From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] see you Not ALL...i live in south of France . Hé Hé! From: AirWave Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze Concert Michal Moroz wrote : >> here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: > >> he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle >> on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 >pm. Don't know about you guys on the list, but I will be there. My Dream comming true. To catch my fave synth musician live at the same venue as I saw the last great TD concert. I would be great if we could organize a list gettogether in a nearby pub before the concert. AirWave. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: Bronzing White Eagle My copy of White Eagle has the same problem. I can still play it, but it's so corroded that I can even scratch the media off of the outer edge... Gotta backup it now! Or maybe buy the 'definitive' edition... gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Mon Feb 1, 1999 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Could I join ? Éric Rochon Leaf Canada Thank you Éric From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 12:54 am Subject: Yet another CD Now discount coupon Hi again. There is ANOTHER CD Now coupon available, this time 10 bucks off 49.90, expires february 14. URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=red:x:cdn:0131int/from=sr-3836499 -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the >U.S. > > anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody >and > > voila the problem goes away. > >When Weird Al Yankovic, an US based parody musician, use famous songs >he does pay copyright fees because his CDs are filled with the songs, he >does not hide where the songs come from and he credits the original >composers. He had a lawsuit over 'Addicted to Love' when he changed it to 'Addicted to Spuds'. I don't know whatever happened to this case. I know the tapes/CDs were not pulled from the shelves. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:08 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD Feldon Feldon > He had a lawsuit over 'Addicted to Love' when he changed it to 'Addicted to > Spuds'. I don't know whatever happened to this case. I know the tapes/CDs > were not pulled from the shelves. Cases like this can be tricky. Without the permission of the original creator or the one who holds the copyrights, you cannot change a song or lyrics too much. If you, say, are making a cover version or a remix, you cannot just insert a chorus composed by yourself into the song. A credit in the CD booklet which reads 'Composed by Edgar Froese and Glenn Folkvord' could and should invoke a lawsuit unless it was a collaboration :-) Maybe the same goes for lyrics and maybe that is why he was sued, but I suspect Weird Al wrote completely new lyrics for Addicted to Love and just used the melody, and it would be my guess Al got out of the court without paying damages. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Solution - Bronzed CDs Hello everyone, I think this is the solution for the bronzed CDs. Following the like posted by , I got to Hyperion Records site and there they gave an email address, and said PDO is willing to replace all the bronzed CDs, with or without audio problems. This is the email I just got from PDO: >>From: Reception >>Sender: Reception >>To: Gustavo Jobim >>Date: 02 Feb 2001, 11:21:22 AM >>Subject: Bronzed CD >> >>Dear Gustavo >> >>Thank you for your E mail >> >>We try to replace all bronzed CD's manufactured by PDO UK >> >>I have all your details and I will attend to the matter ASAP >> >>Please be patient as this can take upto 6 - 8 weeks >> >>Thank you and regards >>GTaylor So all you have to do is just ask for your replacements, sending all the details about the CD (I gave them all the numbers I could find in my copy of White Eagle, including the bar code number), and also sending your mail address. BTW, thanks to you who posted that address! see ya GJ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Eric - click a link in the footer below to send a message directly to Tom, indicating whether you will be a branch or leaf. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rochon [mailto:rochon@i...] > Could I join ? > Éric Rochon From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Tue Feb 2, 1999 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Thank you Joe Éric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25886 White Cloths Steve Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 11:51 pm Subject: White Cloths I'm about halfway through my second listening of White Cloths disc 1 (courtesy of alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs), the first time I've heard any TD outside of the official releases. I cannot believe that they're keeping music of this calibre in the vaults rather than releasing it! This MP3 is going straight to CDR and thence to the regularly played rack! Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Roy Teale' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:36 am Subject: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Did Christopher Franke officially go by the name 'Christoph Franke' at any time? That's the way he's listed on the credits on the Canyon Dreams DVD, even though it's 'Christopher' on the DVD cover. Roy From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - Franke credit The concert announcers never knew what to call him. In fact one of the concerts (Encore I think) he stumbles and says Christoph... and then drops off and then says Franke, 'all very well known as Tangerine Dream'. He's gone by Christopher, Chris, but I think mostly Christoph. Anyone with more CF knowledge care to chip in? >From: 'Roy Teale' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - Franke credit >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:36:19 -0600 > >Did Christopher Franke officially go by the name 'Christoph Franke' at any >time? That's the way he's listed on the credits on the Canyon Dreams DVD, >even though it's 'Christopher' on the DVD cover. >Roy > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25892 Re: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit glynn_naughton@h... Sat 2/3/2001 3 KB 25894 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Klaus Beschorner Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush So who is going and who has got their tickets? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25890 Re: Shepherds Bush Gary Jenkins Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25893 Re: Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there Rainer Rutka Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25895 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25916 Re: Shepherds Bush horrod6@n... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? HI Dave I am in possesion of three tickets for myself and my mate a big fan who is not on line and his other half who quite likes them. may see you in the Moon on the green pub during the afternoon. Cheers Gary > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush I seem to have missed out on this gen, having only joined the list a few days ago.... I presume its TD at S.Bush.... when is it please, and the best chance of getting tickets.....?? Paul. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 11:25 am Subject: Re: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > The concert announcers never knew what to call him. In fact one of the > concerts (Encore I think) he stumbles and says Christoph... and then drops > off and then says Franke, 'all very well known as Tangerine Dream'. > > He's gone by Christopher, Chris, but I think mostly Christoph. Anyone with > more CF knowledge care to chip in? It's basically the 'Middle-Age Expanding Name Syndrome' that many rock musicians go through. (c.f. Dave --> David Gilmour, etc). I suppose that they think that the longer versions sound more appropriate and dignified for middle age. Also the anglo version, 'Christopher', would presumably be more congenial to the USA market. (The announcer on _Encore_ doesn't call him Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as Tangerine Dream.') Long-Name Syndrome is amusing, but at least it's not as bad as those total arseholes who give themselves nicknames. Will 'The Edge' still be known as such when he's a grandad, for instance? What will his grandchildren call him? ('Fucking prick', if they've any sense.) Glynn From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Foster wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > David I got mine 5 days ago :-) !! Rainer (Rutka). C U in London! --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit His birth name is Christoph His nickname was and is Chris When he moved to the US, he started using Christopher, to avoid the double 'f' sound at the end of his first and the beginning of his family name, which seemed to trouble his american business partners. That was explained by the man himself in a published interview. Might be the E.Dreams one, but I'd have to look it up. cheers, klaus From: Matthew Stringer Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I have and I'll be there!!! On Friday 02 February 2001 19:56, you wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > > David > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH >my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Electronic Music' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: Just 5 minutes Hello : My name is Thalassa and I'm a musician and I'm promoting my song 'Let's fly'. I'm asking you a little of help to get this song higher at the charts at Mp3.com . For you is only 5 minutes but for me is a lot of help. So please if you can ... The only thing that you have to do is going to my page (the url below) and play the song, is easy and only takes 5 minutes. The song is in Jean Michel Jarre style and I think that you'll enjoy playing it. Is the first song of my page. Please help me. http://www.mp3.com/thalassa Thanks for your time: Thalassa Sorry if you didn't want to get this e-mail. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: From the TD website... >-- Tangerine Dream to play shows in Europe and the USA!!! > >We are in the midst of getting several shows in support of the >upcoming 'Dream Mixes III'- album ready in Europe and the U.S. in >May and June. Many people have been requesting as to why we have not >posted any dates here, yet. The reason is that they are still not >100% confirmed. We will post dates and infos as soon as the >contracts are signed and the shows are confirmed but we do not want >to advertise anything that is not 100% sure. Keep checking this >place for more info - the first dates will be posted very soon! Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: homepage update Hi all, I've updated the lists on my hompage. Here's what's new: readme.txt - some more info about 'how to copy CDRs' remcorr.txt - more remarks and corrections added swaplist.txt - updated newstuff.txt - updated and errors corrected mainlist.txt - some errors corrected http://www.caby.de/Music Due to business travel I can't put up a new auction and rarity yet, but this should be up by the end of next week. In the meantime, I'm open to suggestions as to what items from my swaplist you would like to see auctioned. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26715 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 4/10/2001 2 KB 27876 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 7/24/2001 2 KB 30838 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 12/25/2001 2 KB 33266 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Mon 4/8/2002 3 KB 35268 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: White Cloths >From: 'Steve' >Subject: White Cloths > >I'm about halfway through my second listening of White Cloths disc 1 >(...) I cannot believe that they're keeping music of this calibre in the vaults rather than releasing it! >Steve Wait till you hear Nostragram (also 1980), with the 20 minute Silver Scale... :) Surely one of the greatest TD concerts ever! gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25900 Re: White Cloths James E. Jacoby Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: White Cloths --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Wait till you hear Nostragram (also 1980), with the 20 minute > Silver Scale... :) > Surely one of the greatest TD concerts ever! > I am greatly intrigued! Is there someone out there who can email me with information on how to get my hands on a copy? James __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Plural Having seen 'Mars Polaris' pop up on so many top ten lists over the last few months, I finally went out and picked up my copy of it. After a couple of listens I thought it was good, but not nearly as good as I had been led to believe. It had some nice tracks, but a lot of it sounded like typical Miramar-era TD (which is likeable, don't get me wrong). I guess you could color me a little disappointed. One of my favorite tracks was the uncredited 11th track. Since when does TD do uncredited tracks? Then one morning, before I opened my store for business (I manage a music store), I popped it into the store CD player to listen to while getting ready. I only have a few discs in stock, and I was in the mood for something more contemporary from their catalog. Huh? What? This doesn't sound familiar... was I just really tired the few times I listened to my copy? I could swear this is very very different... wow, this is damned good! How did I not take to this the first time around? This is really odd... wait, that track sounded familiar, but most of these others don't. Something strange was definitely afoot, so I ran out to my car and grabbed my copy of MP to compare... sure enough, even though the markings on both discs were identical, they were completely different discs! I figured they must've accidentally printed a different album on the disc, but then I heard some of the tunes I recognized... I was confused. There were at least 3 songs that were common on both discs, though in different sequences... but for the most part, it was different! And better! Very better! And the store copy had no uncredited 11th track. So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? And which disc did I get? James __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25902 Re: Mars Polaris Plural Jared White Sat 2/3/2001 3 KB 25903 Re: Mars Polaris Plural Feldon Feldon Sat 2/3/2001 5 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural > -----Original Message----- > From: James E. Jacoby [mailto:galador@y...] > So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get > a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? > And which disc did I get? I'm sure you'll get about five gazillion replies to this, but, basically, there was a pressing error at the factory and a very few of the Mars Polaris discs contained a TDI demo made up of a few Mars Polaris tracks as well as some tracks from the Great Wall of China soundtrack which is a lot more like the Mirarmar-era stuff. Go to the TDI Web site -- at the bottom of the main page they talk all about it. I'm not sure what you could do, other than see if you can return your copy of the CD for another one. Or keep it as a collector's item! :) Take care, Jared P. S. The *real* Mars Polaris album is, indeed, very good. It may take a few objective listens to really get into it, though -- sort of like Logos for me. It took a *long* time for me to like Logos, believe it or not. Whereas I liked Tangram instantly! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural Hang on to that disc!!!! That 11 track disc is in demand for its rarity! >From: 'James E. Jacoby' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:09:13 -0800 (PST) > >Having seen 'Mars Polaris' pop up on so many top ten lists over the >last few months, I finally went out and picked up my copy of it. > >After a couple of listens I thought it was good, but not nearly as >good as I had been led to believe. It had some nice tracks, but a >lot of it sounded like typical Miramar-era TD (which is likeable, >don't get me wrong). I guess you could color me a little >disappointed. One of my favorite tracks was the uncredited 11th >track. Since when does TD do uncredited tracks? > >Then one morning, before I opened my store for business (I manage a >music store), I popped it into the store CD player to listen to while >getting ready. I only have a few discs in stock, and I was in the >mood for something more contemporary from their catalog. > >Huh? What? This doesn't sound familiar... was I just really tired >the few times I listened to my copy? I could swear this is very very >different... wow, this is damned good! How did I not take to this >the first time around? This is really odd... wait, that track >sounded familiar, but most of these others don't. > >Something strange was definitely afoot, so I ran out to my car and >grabbed my copy of MP to compare... sure enough, even though the >markings on both discs were identical, they were completely different >discs! > >I figured they must've accidentally printed a different album on the >disc, but then I heard some of the tunes I recognized... I was >confused. There were at least 3 songs that were common on both >discs, though in different sequences... but for the most part, it was >different! And better! Very better! And the store copy had no >uncredited 11th track. > >So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get >a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? >And which disc did I get? > >James > > >__________________________________________________ >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Re: Encore intro <> I always thought it was 'They are all known as Tangerine Dream'. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25912 Re: Encore intro olle.rundgren@s... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25914 Re: Encore intro scfeldman@j... Mon 2/5/2001 3 KB 25922 Re: Encore intro Phil Wingfield Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25926 Re: Encore intro again James E. Jacoby Tue 2/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Hi all, For your info, here's the beginnings of a list of people who are or might be going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May: Matthew Stringer (UK) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Paul 'the Night Owl' (UK?) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn the Moon on the Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... Anyone who's going and isn't mentioned above, please get in touch! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25907 Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB 25915 Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Joe Shoults Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 1:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush So who is going and who has got their tickets? David Two of us are coming from Scotland. Got the tickets last weekend. Hope to meet some of you before the show. Has anyone else been bothered today by a spammer offering a 'rare' Russian compilation of TD studio albums? I hope TD's lawyers catch-up with him! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25908 Re: Shepherds Bush Rainer Rutka Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB 25909 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Hi My last reply seems to have bombed! There are two of us coming from Scotland, Brian & Steve. Looking forward to meeting you. Guinness will do nicely! Best Wishes Brian ----------------------- Hi all, For your info, here's the beginnings of a list of people who are or might be going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May: Matthew Stringer (UK) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Paul 'the Night Owl' (UK?) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn the Moon on the Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... Anyone who's going and isn't mentioned above, please get in touch! Paul _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Brian Stewart wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? It's onto my computer screen! So I can't forget. Just have to reserve a hotel not too far from the SBE. Can anybody provide me a good one (name of the hotel)? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 7:46 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Brian Stewart' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > David I'll be there. However, it now looks as if my 3-and-a-half-year stint as an _incola Londini_ might be coming to an end, so instead of a short ride on the Tube I'll be coming across from Grenoble, France. I'm still debating whether a 20% drop in salary is an acceptable price to pay for expanding my horizons a bit and learning to speak French, but I think I'm gonna go for it... It just occured to me that May 12 is probably Cup Final day, so the Moon on the Green pub is likely to be pretty packed. Glynn From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Accomodation in London Hi Rainer and others, I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , £39-59-79 Star Hotel, £35-55-95 Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , £35-48-66 Windsor Guest House, £25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , £30-40-69 Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be willing to share a room with me to cut cost. If this is indeed the cup-final weekend it's probably best to hurry up I guess :-) Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25919 Re: Accomodation in London gmroger@p... Mon 2/5/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush Rainer We have booked into the Kensington Hilton. Quite near to the Empire, It is mapped on the back of the ticket. The on-line boking page is: http://www.hilton.com/hotels/LHRHITW/index.html Whilst the standard rate, (listed in Expedia etc..) was rather steep, booking up-front with a credit card made it a more reasonable £70 for a twin room. There are lots of price/room options on the site and they run a shuttle-bus to & from Heathrow. My past experiences with small hotels & B&Bs in London have ranged from bad to utterly bizzarre! Without recent personal reccomendations I would stick to the chains, you generally know what to expect! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: Encore intro <> From: Chris Richards >I always thought it was 'They are all known as >Tangerine Dream'. Well, I make it 'better known as..' but I'm old and can't afford to buy batteries to my hearing-aid. /Olle From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Sony Topping off CD A while back a tree was started to distribute this CD to fans who are not in Europe. I was on the tree, but nobody ever got back to me. I'm looking for somebody in the United States who could help. Please respond offlist if you can help. Thanks. Frank From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 3:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 03:06:19 -0800 (PST) Chris Richards writes: >>>The announcer on _Encore_ [. . .] >I always thought it was 'They are all known as Tangerine Dream'. I thought it was '. . . otherwise known as Tangerine Dream.' MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush you should see if they will reserve a table for you anyway. if you can confirm that many people (paying customers) at one time, they should be happy to set aside a few tables for you! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] ... > Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn > the Moon on the > Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... > From: horrod6@n... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > Since the concert takes place on Dave's n0th birthday, we'll be there - it's his birthday treat! (Honest - he said it was what he wanted, and I wasn't standing over him with a pointy stick at the time.) I ordered the tickets a couple of days ago, so I don't actually have them yet. See you in the Moon on the Green. LnH Marion From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 11:53 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's strange accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' Paul ---------- >De : olle.rundgren@s... >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re: Encore intro >Date : Lun 5 fév 2001 12:14 > > < Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > Tangerine Dream.')>> > > From: Chris Richards >>I always thought it was 'They are all known as >>Tangerine Dream'. > > Well, I make it 'better known as..' but I'm old and can't afford to buy > batteries to my hearing-aid. > > /Olle > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25918 Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25921 Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro goozer@a... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro >Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's strange >accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), >it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' Maybe there's somebody on the list who was at the concert, held the hand of the announcer but didn't have the money to pay him to follow him home, who can tell us what he REALLY said??? ;) Rolf From: Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Accomodation in London tadream@yahoogroups.com napisa³ (wrote!): > Subject: Accomodation in London > > Hi Rainer and others, > > I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. > There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred > meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: > > Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , £39-59-79 > Star Hotel, £35-55-95 > Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , £35-48-66 > Windsor Guest House, £25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) > Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , £30-40-69 > > Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. > > I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be > willing to share a room with me to cut cost. > > If this is indeed the cup-final weekend it's probably best to hurry up I > guess :-) > > Best Regards > > Geir > I plan to stay somewhere around Gatwick Airport as I plan to travel back to Poland the following morning. It might be worth checking when Cup Final day is... Roger Hartopp From: Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: No panic! The Cup Final is in Cardiff! Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! Roger Hartopp From: goozer@a... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro The guy's name is 'Mr. Mota'-he was a dj at the radio station that was simu= lcasting the show. The only thing mixed with his accent was the recreational pharmaceuticals he was on at the time! :) And I concur that th= e quote is '...all well known as Tangerine Dream.' goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's stran= ge > accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), > it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : olle.rundgren@s... > >À : tadream@y... > >Objet : [tadream] Re: Encore intro > >Date : Lun 5 fév 2001 12:14 > > > > > < > Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > > Tangerine Dream.')>> From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro Actually it's 'otherwise known as tangerine drem', no spelling mistake. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Richards To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Encore intro > < Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > Tangerine Dream.')>> > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25926 Re: Encore intro again James E. Jacoby Tue 2/6/2001 2 KB From: justin.ludford@l... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re. Shepherds Bush First time posting on the list... Just to say - Got tickets to the London Show in May, along with two friends we will be making the journey from Norfolk for a day of browsing the shops, high class food (Burger King most likely !) and top live entertainment. Can't wait... It's my fifth TD concert starting from 1990 Hammersmith and am constantly grateful of the recent frequency of TD's visits to the UK. See you all there!! From the Norfolk branch of the TD Fan Club ! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 6:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush Nice to hear from you again Marion. Long time no hear from. Are you still planning on going to the Okefenokee deal? Hope to see you there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush > --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > > > > Since the concert takes place on Dave's n0th birthday, we'll be there > - it's his birthday treat! (Honest - he said it was what he wanted, > and I wasn't standing over him with a pointy stick at the time.) > > I ordered the tickets a couple of days ago, so I don't actually have > them yet. > > See you in the Moon on the Green. > > LnH > > Marion > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 11:43 am Subject: some music ok first of all sorry fot this crosspost i have uploaded the music of a band some friends of mine have made in the past year and i think that those of you that like TD music [especially the older styff] will like too since i am not the writter of the music myself i will not describe it's style any feedback can be sent to me and i will make sure it reach the makers of the music the link in witch i uploaded it is the following http://mandrake.aua.gr/~jkr/Music/bands/MIND_ODYSSEY/ they all are in 128 bits rate i would recomend voyage part I and II all the best to you and your beloved kostas from greece [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro again --- Phil Wingfield wrote: > Actually it's 'otherwise known as tangerine drem', no spelling > mistake. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Richards > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:06 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Encore intro > > > > < > Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > > Tangerine Dream.')>> I can't believe how wrong you ALL are. All I did was pop in my digitally remastered TDI release of 'The Dream Intros' and listened to the Encore intro through DTS headphones; and clearly he announces, 'Those zany characters, Tangerine Dreaming!' I'm glad I could finally put this to rest. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: [Accommodation in London > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:52:32 +0100 > From: Geir Smedsrud > Subject: Accomodation in London > > Hi Rainer and others, > > I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. > There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred > meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: > > Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , £39-59-79 > Star Hotel, £35-55-95 > Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , £35-48-66 > Windsor Guest House, £25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) > Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , £30-40-69 > > Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. > > I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be > willing to share a room with me to cut cost. After some thought and a message from Glynn, I've decided it would be more prudent to stay in London, preferably at nearby accomodation listed above. So, would anybody mind sharing? Geir, do you still wish to share? Anybody interested, then do let me know. Roger -- From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Tree Structures Hello everyone: Following are the tree structures for the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 2-CDR compilation. (Details at www.tadream.net) (Please note that both discs require 80-minute blanks.) Branches and leaves are to arrange acceptable trades using the following guidelines: an even trade agreeable to both parties blanks plus return postage any other arrangement agreeable to both parties Note that leaves with a 'B' after their listing had volunteered to be branches, but their services weren't required (yet). If you didn't sign up and would like to get into the tree, please contact the one of these individuals who is nearest you. Or you can contact me and I'll make arrangements to fit you in. That aside, here are the structures: Seed Branch Leaf Europe: Fred Yargui - France - fred.yargui@c... Jorge Figueiredo - Portugal - jorgefig@t... Anotonio Nunes - Portugal - ajogon@n... - B Jerome Salyers - Switzerland - ssaalyersjj@y... Richard Bilek - Czech Republic - rbilek@a... - B Kostas Karlis - Greece - koulos@s... Nicola Cont - Italy - Nicola@C... Jerzy Kapala - Poland - jerzynka@i... Michael Kupczyk - Poland - quichotte@p... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz - Poland - yavi@t... - B Timo Astala - Finland - timo.astala@n... Ami Hassinen - Finland - ami.hassinen@e... Olle Rundgren - Sweden - Olle.Rundgren@s... Geir Smedsrud - Norway - rsmedsru@o... Mikael Andersson - Sweden - strong@h... Thomas Bertilsson - Sweden - thomasbertilsson@h... Alexander Bjelke - Norway - abjelke@s... Paul Fellows - France - pfellows@c... Rod Jones - U.K. - RJones@c... Ray Hallett - U.K. - con31@t... - B Steve Jenkins - U.K. - steve@l... - B Daniel Fishman - U.K. - dan.cor@v... - B David Foster - U.K. - fozziebear@b... Steven Blakemore - U.K. - SBLAK1SC@s... - B Phil White - U.K. - phil_white@c... P.D. Ridout - U.K. - Thenite0wl@a... Gerry Fox - U.K. - gerryf.home@v... Craig Cordrey - U.K. - craig.cordrey@b... - B Grant Somerville - U.K. - grant.somerville@v... Matthew Stringer - U.K. - qube@f... Richard Ford - U.K. - theroom@b... Alan Stocker - U.K. - sto@i... Steve Yensen - U.K. - Stephen.Yensen@s... North America (and others): Joe Shoults -OH - jshoults@f... Mike Daniels - OH - daniels@l... George Dellutri - IL - dellutri_1@a... Art Walicki - IL - arwjr@m... Craig Chambers - GA - craig.chambers@m... Tom George - TN - eloy-usa@a... James Owens - AL - James.Owens@m... Neal Frost - FL - strat95@e... Dell Outland - FL - AOutland@a... Roger Smith - FL - rogersmith3@h... Vic Rek - GA - tangerinedream@a... Tom Weibrecht - NY - tweibrecht@j... Dan Eberly - NJ - Chemde318@a... Marcelo Gutierrez - NY - tdune@m... - B Greg Waltzer - NJ - gwaltzer@b... Mike Thomas - ME - thomas@c... Oscar Dean - CT - stuntman@m... Steven Feldman - MA - scfeldman@j... Scott Raymond - NY - newage@v... Gabe Yedid - Canada - gabeznooz@M... Kevin Earley - Canada - kevine@c... Eric Rochon - Canada - rochon@i... Frank Stephen - NY - fstephe@a... - B John Gentile - MI - piano_man@m... Dan Garrison - MI - kayleigh@v... - B John McIntyre - MI - mcintyre@p... Jeff O'Brien - MI - krhn1@y... - B Denis Torres - HI - syrinx@m... Tim Lemon - Japan - timl@g... Tom Richmond - WI - trichmond@b... Tim Scallon - WA - Boneheads1@a... Paul Ellis - WA - Synthhtnys@a... Frank Arellano - ID - farellano@s... Bryan Darnell - MT - DarnellBB@m... Thomas Barkhurst - CA - teiwazbarana@h... Patric Donaghy - CA - patricdonaghy@p... Craig Padilla - CA - craigpadilla@u... Alan Benson - CA - albenson@n... Steve Whiteley - CA - steve.whiteley@s... Ken Beal - CA - kwb10@c... Marc Todd - CA - marctodd@h... Roger Jones - CA - rogeraj@e... Dave Brewer - AZ - deibu@i... Chris Monrad - AZ - hpytls@a... Daniel Hobrecht - CO - dhobrecht@h... Bennett Cookson - UT - tadream.bmail@c... Chad Vance - NM - civance@h... Mike Surber - OK - scoobarama@y... Michael Jean - IL - michaeljean@e... Kevin Jowers - LA - kvjowers@i... Jeff Stevenson - MO - greymane@k... Rogelio Cavazos - TX - tranceroy@y... Morgan Marks - TX - feldon23@h... Jon Richards - TX - space_cadet73@h... Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas - Mexico - cmartine@e... John Marchington - New Zealand - johnm@p... John Field - Australia - roganjosho@o... Colin Anderson - Australia - colin_anderson@e... Gustavo Jobim - Brazil - gustavfj@m... If there are any questions, please contact me and I'll get back to you ASAP. Thanks very much to Yannick Edom for all of his hard work assembling this project. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 7:41 am Subject: The gig Hey folks, I am looking for a volunteer to write a review of the Shepherds Bush gig for my EM website at www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows It should be a balanced review, highlighting both the pros and cons of the concert, and it should be at least 2 screens full in Word (or thereabouts). Any takers? Pics would be nice too of course. From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) Hey folks, If everyone's email program did what mine did to the tree structure posting, chances are you couldn't tell anything except that your name's in there somewhere. If anyone would like a copy of the structures in MSWord format, please email me and I'll send it off. Sorry for any inconveneience. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25931 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, Joe Shoults Thu 2/8/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) the tree structure is posted on http://tadream.net european tree coming soon. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:45 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com'; > 'electronicmusic@yahoogroups.com'; 'beyond_em@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) > > > Hey folks, > > If everyone's email program did what mine did to the tree > structure posting, > chances are you couldn't tell anything except that your > name's in there > somewhere. If anyone would like a copy of the structures in > MSWord format, > please email me and I'll send it off. > > Sorry for any inconveneience. > > Cheers! > > Tom > > ___________________________ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This message is intended only for the addressee. If you > receive this message in error, please delete the material > from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you > are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, > or distribute this message or its contents to any other > person and any such actions may be unlawful > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: New member Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25941 Re: New member Gary Jenkins Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] New member Welcome to the world of dreamers. Have fun :o) Poul > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > Paul From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: mysterious... I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? And while on the subject of erm... unofficial recordings... can anyone point me in the direction of an online discography? Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25936 Re: mysterious... Frank Arellano Thu 2/8/2001 3 KB 25942 Re: mysterious... Nick Adams Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB 25943 mysterious... Steve Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act quickly. It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You just need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) accepting cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to get it through the formation of a CDR Tree. Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people below him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] New member >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:55:36 -0000 > >Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . >Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > >Paul > > > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mysterious... Here you go http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve' To: 'Tadream@E... Com' Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: [tadream] mysterious... > I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm > puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my > ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. > Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? > > And while on the subject of erm... unofficial recordings... can anyone point > me in the direction of an online discography? > > Steve > > http://www.craftman.co.uk > http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Need to get in touch with Jeff Bergman and Brian Frick Hello: Sorry to bother the list, but I'm not getting responses from either of these 'Dreamwatchers' participants: Jeff Bergman - jeffrey@i... Brian Frick - bfrick@t... If you're out here guys, please get in touch. Thanks! Tom Richmond trichmond@b... ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] New member > Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act quickly. > > It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from > remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply > electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! > > And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You just > need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. > > Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) accepting > cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to get > it through the formation of a CDR Tree. > > Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people below > him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. > > -Morgan > Hi , I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not complaining) so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to them . Thanks for the offer . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25944 Re: New member / Dreamwatcher'sTale j.gordon Fri 2/9/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Dude, the list of leaves was literally announced yesterday. You've got time :) -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] New member >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:14:14 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Feldon Feldon >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:43 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] New member > > > > Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act >quickly. > > > > It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from > > remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply > > electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! > > > > And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You >just > > need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. > > > > Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) >accepting > > cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to >get > > it through the formation of a CDR Tree. > > > > Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people >below > > him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. > > > > -Morgan > > >Hi , > >I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not >complaining) >so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to >them . >Thanks for the offer . > >Paul > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Paul Welcome, and congratulations! I got my copy yesterday, it is just great. Best wishes Brian From: 'lawlermusic' Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:27 pm Subject: Re: New member --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which according to smd you are working on at the moment. >Cheers Gary > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mysterious... Steve said... > I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm > puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my > ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. > Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? > The piece you are talking about is actually Neuronium *not* TD. It is originally from Neuronium's album ''Vuelo Quimico'', I'm not quite sure of the story as to how this piece by Neuronium made it onto a TD Boot, Probably by a bootlegger who didn't know (or didn't care) the difference ! Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: mysterious... Nick said: > The piece you are talking about is actually Neuronium *not* TD. It is > originally from Neuronium's album ''Vuelo Quimico'', I'm not quite sure of > the story as to how this piece by Neuronium made it onto a TD > Boot, Probably > by a bootlegger who didn't know (or didn't care) the difference ! Now vague bells start ringing in the distance :) I'm not surprised that it isn't TD, and listening to it with this new knowledge I can still say that it sounds similar to TD, but wrong for the date the filename implied. But, as a long term fan of Our Lady of the Harmonium, I'm delighted to have found it! Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 6:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New member / Dreamwatcher'sTale > I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not complaining) > so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to > them . > Thanks for the offer . > > Paul paul, morgen is right, the tree has just been planted... if you want to participate, just send an email to trichmond@b... and let him know... he will hook you up with the right branch and get you going... (i'm a branch and i haven't received my copy yet, so there is still time...) but i did want to point out that i did receive my copy of the Pre-release yesterday and popped that sucker in... i don't mind saying, after one listen through (77 mins) it is FABULOUS... great music... the quailty of music on this CD is really quite high... Dweller in the Mist and Free System Project stand out with two great tracks... if you haven't signed up for the tree, IMH&HO you are sorely missing out... and for all you who are griping about the recent quality of TD releases, there won't be thing one to complain about with Dreamwatcher's Tale, if the pre-release is any gauge... once again (it cannot be said enough), thanks to yannick, tom, joel and the others who put so much time and effort into making this compilation and most esp. all the contributors... it is great... i don't mind saying, i'm proud to have my music side by side with these other artists... really great stuff... if you listen to emusic (meaning besides TD) this 2CDR set will not only compliment your collection, but give it an anchor... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'koulos' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 9:19 am Subject: DT cd-r project hiz from greece since i am not familiar with this tree format of distubuting music i would like to ask the person beibg the branch in witch i am a leaf to pls send me an e-mail telling me what to do [i know i will have to send him 4 cdr right ??] anyway pls mr branch do send me a notification that i am under you and wait to hear from me after a week or so cause i am leaving on a short trip thats all from me sorry for taking your times those of you that are not my branch kostas from athens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: New member > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > >Cheers Gary Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying that I`m working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25948 Welcome Paul! gmroger@p... Fri 2/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member From: 'lawlermusic' Paul Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! Best Brian > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > >Cheers Gary Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying that I`m working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Welcome Paul! ~Here's another letter of welcome, Paul, from someone who's played your 'Year Zero' album on Polish radio, and enjoyed it very much. On those only odd occasions I look at the TD guestbook, I recall you asking about tickets for the Shepherd's Bush gig. Have you got yours yet? If so, I hope we can all look forward to meeting you at the... oh, dang, what's the name of the pub near the place... I'm sure someone will remind us. P.s. Message to my Norwegian friend - I still haven't heard any more news on accommodation in London on the night. I don't want to stay at the Kensington Hilton - it's bloody expensive! The Orlando is full, and Hotel65 won't write back. Still trying, though... Roger Hartopp From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member Um, Guys, I am very sorry if it seems I have been living under a rock for a while. I am going to ask questions that are probably going to embarrass me, but here goes.... Who is Paul, as a musician I mean? You guys talk as if we should know him. (I guess maybe I should) Who is Arcane? Who is Max Richter? If these are really stupid questions, I am very sorry. But with the talk of the Dreamwatcher's Tales CD coming around, it seems that I should know them. Neal > [Original Message] > From: Brian Stewart > To: > Date: 2/9/01 7:07:21 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > > > > From: 'lawlermusic' > Paul > > Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! > > Best > > Brian > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > > >Cheers Gary > > Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying > that I`m > working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . > I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to > death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can > honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of > the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force > majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . > I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 'Ihave gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:54 am Subject: DM3 Perhaps Jerome's solo work and DM 3 's will help gain a new audience. My wife, who did her best to tolerate any TD, was stunned to hear the music from the new 12' singles, and actually started dancing around the apartment! She said it was the best thing they had ever done... Hmmmmmm She really got into Spirit of the Czar. Anyway, does anyone think there is a chance for a cd release by DJ Rome when DM3 is comes out? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26812 DM3 justin.ludford@l... Thu 4/26/2001 1 KB 26813 Re: DM3 Gary Jenkins Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26818 Re: DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26814 Re: DM3 Feldon Feldon Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26822 Re: DM3 Heiko Heerssen Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26940 DM3 Lawry Simm Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB 27337 DM3 David Foster Tue 6/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:57 am Subject: McCartney Connection again Last month's ICE magazine had a blurb about the original concept of McCartney 2. Apparently there was a second LPs worth of material (that apparently circulatng as a boot) that was compared to TD and Kraftwerk in style. Has anyone heard this material? If so, would you agree with that assessment. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25953 Re: McCartney Connection again Phil White Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member Neal, since you obviously have been living underneath a rock too long and haven't heard Paul's music yet, you're going to have to add on atleast a couple more CD's to your growing must hear list. Paul has produced a number of CD's under the name of Arcane and Paul Lawler , my favorite being 'Gather Darkness'. Arcane is one of a number groups / individuals who I consider a TD descendants, producing music in the vein of late seventies to early 80's TD. Paul has just released a CDR called 'Afterstill', which not surprisingly has received glowing reviews, one in which I too will soon be adding to my collection. Max Richter is a fictitious creation of Paul's active imagination. A number of us on this list are already familiar with Paul's work. For those of you who are new or unfamiliar with him and like retro TD, I highly advise you to give his music a try. IMO, Paul is a young and talented musician with a bright future. He probably started making music at a very tender age with a rattle across his bars. How's that Paul, did I do good ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > Um, Guys, > > I am very sorry if it seems I have been living under a rock for a while. I > am going to ask questions that are probably going to embarrass me, but here > goes.... > > Who is Paul, as a musician I mean? You guys talk as if we should know him. > (I guess maybe I should) > Who is Arcane? > Who is Max Richter? > > If these are really stupid questions, I am very sorry. But with the talk of > the Dreamwatcher's Tales CD coming around, it seems that I should know them. > > Neal > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Brian Stewart > > To: > > Date: 2/9/01 7:07:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > > > > > > > > > From: 'lawlermusic' > > Paul > > > > Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! > > > > Best > > > > Brian > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > > > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > > > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > > > >Cheers Gary > > > > Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are > saying > > that I`m > > working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . > > I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt > to > > death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can > > honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of > > the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force > > majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . > > I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > 'Ihave gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Can't help with this question but I look forward to more informed thread lines on this as it sounds highly implausible (?) However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and Kraftwerk. Discuss ? Phil ( peeping from behind the safety of the lurkers wall ) Michael A Jean wrote..... > Last month's ICE magazine had a blurb about the original concept of > McCartney 2. Apparently there was a second LPs worth of material (that > apparently circulatng as a boot) that was compared to TD and Kraftwerk in > style. Has anyone heard this material? If so, would you agree with that > assessment. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:41 pm Subject: A new audience for TD? Hello folks, I think I might have inadvertently sent this before I finished it. If so, ignore the incomplete version. >Perhaps Jerome's solo work and DM 3 's will help gain a new audience. My >wife, who did her best to tolerate any TD, was stunned to hear the music >from the new 12' singles, and actually started dancing around the apartment! >She said it was the best thing they had ever done... Hmmmmmm She really got >into Spirit of the Czar. > >Anyway, does anyone think there is a chance for a cd release by DJ Rome when >DM3 is comes out? > >MJ Hmm..I've often wondered how TD could acquire a DM-style audience, assuming that that's what they're trying to do. Let's face it - the average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male - the guy who stood awkwardly on the fringes of the school disco while the confident and good-looking guys were snogging the good-looking girls; the guy who thought that his po-faced talk about his Pink Floyd records would make him seem attractively deep, when in fact it made him seem like an inadequate and pretentious arsehole. (Glynn shudders at memories of himself at 15 - ugh!) The audience for DM-style music, on the other hand, is the young, energetic, attractive and effortlessly trendy crowd that TD-Man has never and can never be a part of. TD might be trying to appeal to a fan base that is about as far removed from its current fan base as it's possible to get - and the poor attendance for the 'Ground Liftaz' launch party would seem to suggest that they're wasting their time. That crowd is never going to care about TD or 'TDJ Rome', and there's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and breakbeats. Having said that, I'm quite looking forwards to _DM3_... ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25955 Re: A new audience for TD? Greg Sat 2/10/2001 5 KB 25959 Re: A new audience for TD? Sean Montgomery Sat 2/10/2001 5 KB 25962 Re: A new audience for TD? Jared White Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A new audience for TD? Too bad Glynn, I thought years ago, TD could have spun the current rave scene. As it is now, Paul Oakenfold and Paul Van Dyk among others are getting credit for their 'thumpified' ambient rave music. Mind you I'm a 22 year old who enjoys the dance scene - even if my choices are reduced to a couple top 40 dance clubs in the town I'm in. TD has given me an edge though, as having understanding of the idea of electronic sounds void of 'narrative content' vocals in an expressive form has allowed me to appreciate the very minimalist forms of dance music. I find it humerous though, to imagine numerous clubbers spacing and drug induced to basically the same sounds and structures of what TD had used in thier early Virgin years period. I think it's a difference in times - the 1970's to the Millenium and mass culture electronic music has different specific roles. The DM is an interesting idea, but I never thought the idea was experimental enough, or fresh sounding enough for me. Even in the day I had never even thought of stepping into a club, the drum and bass breakbeat material seemed 'done before'. Now TD wants to build prominence in the IDM (intelligent dance music) scene with TDJ Rome. Having [keyword] tried to dance to DM 1 and 2 material on my own time, I find it void of what TD had in the Virgin years, thus what dance music has now - a real cohearant simplicity and the use of electronic sounds as texture and rhythm (but often in a acid harshness sort of way). But this isn't to say TD and DM isn't influential - in my attempts to develop a couple dance tracks for a DJ, my work decidedly was structurely similar to some DM material. It didn't have the breakbeat aspect, but it did have aspects of layers of sound and the timing of transitions into new ideas was annoyingly short (argh!). Greg H. > Hmm..I've often wondered how TD could acquire a DM-style audience, > assuming that that's what they're trying to do. Let's face it - the > average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, > dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male - the guy who stood > awkwardly on the fringes of the school disco while the confident and > good-looking guys were snogging the good-looking girls; the guy who > thought that his po-faced talk about his Pink Floyd records would > make him seem attractively deep, when in fact it made him seem like > an inadequate and pretentious arsehole. (Glynn shudders at memories > of himself at 15 - ugh!) > > The audience for DM-style music, on the other hand, is the young, > energetic, attractive and effortlessly trendy crowd that TD-Man has > never and can never be a part of. TD might be trying to appeal to a > fan base that is about as far removed from its current fan base as > it's possible to get - and the poor attendance for the 'Ground > Liftaz' launch party would seem to suggest that they're wasting their > time. That crowd is never going to care about TD or 'TDJ Rome', and > there's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about > overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and > breakbeats. > > Having said that, I'm quite looking forwards to _DM3_... ;-) > > Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: homepage update, new auction Hi all, I have completed the update of my homepage, please visit at http://www.caby.de/Music A new auction has started on the Rarity page ! cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26053 Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26054 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Kees Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25958 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Richard Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB 25966 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST gnmorgan@b... Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message <963t81+8hha@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes >Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. Be afraid... Be very afraid. This is only to be purchased by those who must have everything done under the Tangerine Dream name. It is a story, in German, with TD background music. I bought before I was warned. You've been warned! - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOoV/ETBWmWbUzpzAEQLzpACgpuP4E/vgLFwBZydLZm1RMMPyWMoAoOeY U8a90ZGOetx8asGGYwDwoHo7 =40Sn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25966 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST gnmorgan@b... Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A new audience for TD? glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Let's face it - the average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, > dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male Ha ha! Speak for yourself, Glynn! While that may represent *one* segment of TD fandom, I think they draw from a slightly wider base than that. I, for instance, was but a wee bairn in the 70s, and didn't even become aware of the band until hearing some of their 80s soundtrack work (although I was predisposed to liking them, I suppose...having been exposed to Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project and Vangelis from an early age). At their 88 and 92 North American shows, I saw young tech nerds, old stoners, new agers, and other people who didn't fit into any particular demographic. I specifically remember one woman whose young daughter seemed to have a crush on Paul Haslinger. The girlfriend I took to the show back in 92 had picked up a copy of Optical Race before I met her, because she liked the cover! But your points about the DM style are well taken. I appreciate what Jerome is trying to do, and I even like a lot of it. But all the same, much of what TD does today tends to come across as the attempts of a loser to tell jokes at a party, oblivious to the fact that he's not really very funny. Jerome's techno/drum and bass stylings are far too tame for the dance floor. He's going to have to get a lot more aggressive with his beats and sound design if he really wants to win over the techno community. He'd also be wise to start doing remix work, or something to develop a public profile, and display a real committment to being a DJ. He's also going to have to lose the hair cut. Jesus, let go of the Robert Smith thing. The first DM album succeeded for me by virtue of being a startling (and mostly successful) departure from the increasingly tedious New Age stylings of the Miramar years. It merely injected some of the vigour that had been largely missing from their work since Franke's departure. The beats were less cheesy, the cut-and-paste composing style seemed less jarring. But the band failed to build or capitalize on it. Nothing they've done since has been as exciting. I suspect that this is because once Jerome got the first album out of his system, he had to find common ground with Dad for subsequent music. Mars Polaris is the best attempt at a compromise this that they've found yet...but it's still not trancy enough for the ravers, not upbeat enough for dancing, and not innovative enough for the electronic music community. It's an okay album, but it's not great. I'd rather hear Jerome just go all out with something. Go for the throat. Kick our asses. Maybe DM3 will provide that, but I'm keeping my expectations low. The pieces I liked best on the first two DMs were actually the 'new' ones, not the remixes. So I hope we get less mix and more dream. > There's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and breakbeats. And something even sadder about those same folks up on the stage making the music (unless they can really deliver the goods, anyway). Edgar's musical interests obviously lie primarily in the neo-classical realm now. Seeing him drag himself on stage, pretending to make hip dance music, isn't fooling anybody. Neither are his comments about TD continuing to occupy the avant garde of electronic music. But I don't care if the music's 'innovative', as long as it's good, and since TD still manages to put out a couple of decent songs per album (well, with the exception of Great Wall of China and 7 Letters from Tibet, which were pretty much uniformly lame), I continue to hang around, hoping for the next Tangram. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25962 Re: A new audience for TD? Jared White Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Phil White > Can't help with this question but I look forward to more informed > thread lines on this as it sounds highly implausible (?) > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and > Kraftwerk. Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD or KW? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25961 Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Sean Montgomery Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB 26058 Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again tom george Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' wrote: > > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' > > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient > > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and > > Kraftwerk. > > Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD > or KW? Actually, Rushes *is* the second Fireman release. I can't remember the exact name of the first album, but it had the word 'Strawberry' in it, if I'm not mistaken. Rushes is pretty cool. A bit like Eno's 'Apollo', with its addition of acoustic guitar. Very laid-back. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:19 am Subject: RE: [tadream] A new audience for TD? > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > I'd rather hear Jerome > just go all out with something. Go for the throat. Kick our > asses. Gawd, I hope not. Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole 'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. Oops, there I've said it. Oh well, so be it. I guess I'm just one of those old farts (at 18?) who actually likes 7 Letters from Tibet. Jared http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks P. S. BTW, listened to any Clementi sonatas for fortepiano lately? I recommend either the Sonata in F-sharp Minor, Op. 25, No. 5 or the Sonata in B-flat Major, Op. 12, No. 1. Great stuff, if you can stomach it. Whoops, my snobbery is showing again.... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush Hi all, The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! (The Moon on the Green Pub) Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25964 People going to Shepherd's Bush Richard Sun 2/11/2001 4 KB 25968 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Phil Wingfield Sun 2/11/2001 4 KB 25977 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25978 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Armin Theissen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 26067 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Craig Cordrey Sat 2/17/2001 2 KB 26071 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Michael A Jean Sun 2/18/2001 2 KB 26068 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush James Williams Sun 2/18/2001 3 KB 26117 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Patrik . Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26122 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:18 am Subject: People going to Shepherd's Bush -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've just had a word with the wife. She is willing to go!! (major miracle) Could someone post the web address so I can book some tickets. Thanks > >The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush >on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're >going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > >Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > >> Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in >> Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > >> No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > >(The Moon on the Green Pub) > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > >Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >David Foster (UK) >Duncan McKee (UK) >Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >Glynn Naughton (France) >Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >Marion (UK) >Matthew Stringer (UK) >Michael Jean (USA, not sure) >Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >Paul Fellows (France) >Rainer Rutka (Germany) >Ray (UK) >Roger Hartopp (Poland) > >Paul > > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, >is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the >distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=pl >ease include me as BRANCH my address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=p >lease include me as LEAF my address is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOoZ1CzBWmWbUzpzAEQLSIQCffHtMu/L/aldMmHEGADHajsRDe4AAoP0o qDzdhWUxKxtglMikpMD7xXT4 =NS8v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'John Johnson' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:41 pm Subject: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from TD and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella before you start firing.... Visit the Jon Johnson Homepages at http://jonjohnson.iuma.com and http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25976 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25989 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25995 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25997 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB 26003 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Synthhtnys@a... Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Yikes! Another 'Rumplestiltskin'. Gary. --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message <963t81+8hha@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes > >Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. > > Be afraid... Be very afraid. This is only to be purchased by those who > must have everything done under the Tangerine Dream name. > > It is a story, in German, with TD background music. I bought before I > was warned. > > You've been warned! > - -- > Richard > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOoV/ETBWmWbUzpzAEQLzpACgpuP4E/vgLFwBZydLZ m1RMMPyWMoAoOeY > U8a90ZGOetx8asGGYwDwoHo7 > =40Sn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST At 18:46 11/02/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Yikes! Another 'Rumplestiltskin'. Noooh. Rupelstiltskin is an excellent CD. First the story with the music and then the normal music. Excellent idea and excellent music. Jim & Pablo contains hardly any TD music. And is only suited for collectors. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush I'm going and so are two freinds not on this list, Phil the lurker. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > > > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > > > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > > (The Moon on the Green Pub) > > Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > > Paul > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 10:32 pm Subject: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Hi gang, After a 1 month enforced absence due to a broken ISP, then a month off to catch up with the rest of my life, I'm back to find the marvellous news that TD are playing Shepherds Bush Empire... On top of this, the line up for this years SMD concerts at Jodrell Bank looks rather smart..... Rainbow Serpent Keller & Schonwalder Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new listmembers? [TD List]Also, I note Gary Morgan says he's 7 miles from Liverpool... Hi Gary.. I'm in Litherland... Finally, please update your address books as my new email address (permanent) is lawrysimm@s... so please don't use the fdn.co.uk one any more as the ISP has died a death. I also lost my address book due to a hard disk reformat (it was the only thing I didn't have the forethought to secure!) so I can't mail my chums with the updated email address.... in fact, it would be handy if my chums mailed me so I can just click on the reply button to rebuild my address book. Thanks! I'm just catching up on the digests and only up to 21/01/01.... should be up to date by the end of the week... any new developments (apart from the TD concert?). Regards, Lawry PS - My AIM account noted below is also goosed as I don't have my password, and they can only send my password reminder to my old email address which no longer works! Nice. What a load of bollocks... ------------------------- lawrysimm@s... ICQ 23267226 AIM - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25970 Re: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Frank Arellano Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Welcome back Lawry. *You know* if I was on your guys' side of the pond, I'd be going! Those are some good prospects to see at Jodrell too. You know I'd be there too, drinking some suds with some of my own kind too before the gigs :-) To me, Ramp [ Frank Makowski ] would be the headliner to see, but you never know who will surprise you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [tadream] Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... > Hi gang, > > After a 1 month enforced absence due to a broken ISP, then a month off to > catch up with the rest of my life, I'm back to find the marvellous news that > TD are playing Shepherds Bush Empire... > > On top of this, the line up for this years SMD concerts at Jodrell Bank > looks rather smart..... > > Rainbow Serpent > Keller & Schonwalder > Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan > Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman > > So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new > listmembers? > > [TD List]Also, I note Gary Morgan says he's 7 miles from Liverpool... Hi > Gary.. I'm > in Litherland... > > Finally, please update your address books as my new email address > (permanent) is lawrysimm@s... so please don't use the fdn.co.uk one > any more as the ISP has died a death. > I also lost my address book due to a hard disk reformat (it was the only > thing I didn't have the forethought to secure!) so I can't mail my chums > with the updated email address.... in fact, it would be handy if my chums > mailed me so I can just click on the reply button to rebuild my address > book. Thanks! > > I'm just catching up on the digests and only up to 21/01/01.... should be up > to date by the end of the week... any new developments (apart from the TD > concert?). > > Regards, > Lawry > > PS - My AIM account noted below is also goosed as I don't have my password, > and they can only send my password reminder to my old email address which no > longer works! Nice. What a load of bollocks... > > ------------------------- > lawrysimm@s... > ICQ 23267226 > AIM - lawrysimm > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush http://www.ticketweb.co.uk ---------- >De : Richard >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush >Date : Dim 11 fév 2001 12:18 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've just had a word with the wife. She is willing to go!! (major > miracle) > > Could someone post the web address so I can book some tickets. > > Thanks From: Steve Jenkins Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:41 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush/Jodrell Bank I'll be there too, assuming Liverpool's season doesn't come to a shuddering end in the next two weeks - and before anyone asks, given the choice I would go the the FA Cup final if Liverpool get there... I would encourage any Tadream list member who is able to get to Jodrell Bank to attend one, if not all of the concerts set up there for this spring/summer. Some cracking outfits will play - the highlight has to be Ramp though (Jun 23 if I remember correctly) - be there or miss out on what should be a first class gig. Back to Steve Steve Jenkins Director PCI - Xylenes & Polyesters Ltd Tel: (44) 1483 302267 Fax: (44) 1483 306793 e-mail: sjenkins@t... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 2:46 pm Subject: Homepage update - opticaldream.de Hi all TD Fan`s, my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage was updated at 11.02.01 - more new entry`s in my collection - more trade item`s - more Concert Recording`s - and ... Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de/dream Regards Heiko Neumann Burg Germany See you London in May !!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member From: Frank Arellano To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > Neal, since you obviously have been living underneath a rock too long and > haven't heard Paul's music yet, you're going to have to add on atleast a > couple more CD's to your growing must hear list. Paul has produced a number > of CD's under the name of Arcane and Paul Lawler , my favorite being 'Gather > Darkness'. Arcane is one of a number groups / individuals who I consider a > TD descendants, producing music in the vein of late seventies to early 80's > TD. Paul has just released a CDR called 'Afterstill', which not surprisingly > has received glowing reviews, one in which I too will soon be adding to my > collection. Max Richter is a fictitious creation of Paul's active > imagination. A number of us on this list are already familiar with Paul's > work. For those of you who are new or unfamiliar with him and like retro TD, > I highly advise you to give his music a try. IMO, Paul is a young and > talented musician with a bright future. He probably started making music at > a very tender age with a rattle across his bars. How's that Paul, did I do > good ? :-) > Well done Frank , the fivers on its way !!!! Paul From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Welcome Paul! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Welcome Paul! > ~Here's another letter of welcome, Paul, from someone who's played > your 'Year Zero' album on Polish radio, and enjoyed it very much. Good god , I forgot all about that one !!!! > > On those only odd occasions I look at the TD guestbook, I recall you > asking about tickets for the Shepherd's Bush gig. Have you got yours > yet? If so, I hope we can all look forward to meeting you at the... > oh, dang, what's the name of the pub near the place... I'm sure > someone will remind us. Yes I did thanks , where`s everyone meeting ? My girlfriend was supposed to be coming but she came up with a convenient excuse , so I`ll be there on my own otherwise . I cant remeber the pubs name either Paul From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Johnson To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from TD > and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella before you start > firing.... > > Dont worry , we`ll only be firing cotton wool buds at you so that you clean out your ears :) Funny how people have different tastes . 7 letters was for me , the biggest insult TD have thrown at us . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25989 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush I`m going as well !!! Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > > > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > > > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > > (The Moon on the Green Pub) > > Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > > Paul > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25978 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Armin Theissen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Hi, I hope you all enjoy yourselves at good old Shepherd's Bush. I would go, too, but I have already something better (!) scheduled. I go scuba diving with my girlfriend. Wait for your concert reports. And anyway, there may be more gigs in Europe and elsewhere. armin From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Just some random thoughts.... How much of Quinoa ended up on 220 Volt and Three Phase? I am not a musician but some parts sound rather similar to me. Not that I am complaining I really like all three. Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. Also, I actually really liked Seven Letters, but a family member was at my house when it was playing and wondered who died. He said it sounded like a 'death dirge' funeral music. My 5 year old son was not happy when I turned it off. Glad he takes his music preference after me. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25980 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25983 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25981 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Joel S. Mullen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Well, Quinoa was a preview of the 1992 concerts. And 220 Volt is mostly studio, while Three Phase is mostly a California concert in 1992. The first 5 minutes of Logos started out as a plodding 11 minute version in fall 1981. They tightened it up for the fall 1982 show. Same with Poland. It's 21 minutes on the Poland release but was about 30 minutes at the concert and other 1983 concerts. So they always have some kind of preview going which gets evolved. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. >From: fstephe@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 > >Just some random thoughts.... > >How much of Quinoa ended up on 220 Volt and Three Phase? I am not a >musician but some parts sound rather similar to me. Not that I am >complaining I really like all three. > >Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that >the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. >Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > >Also, I actually really liked Seven Letters, but a family member was >at my house when it was playing and wondered who died. He said it >sounded like a 'death dirge' funeral music. My 5 year old son was >not happy when I turned it off. Glad he takes his music preference >after me. > >Frank > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25983 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet On Monday, February 12, 2001 10:44 AM, fstephe@a... [SMTP:fstephe@a...] wrote: > > Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that > the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. I am trying to remember what I have read, but wasn't there something about the tracks being re-named? Something like originally it would have been ROYGBIV, but for some reason track #3 is now 'G' for Golden, instead of 'Y' for yellow and track #7 is now 'P' for Purple instead of 'V' for Violet? I know the track names don't even match from the back of the CD case to the insert, but that should be no surprise either I guess. Anyone remember what I am talking about or am I just crazy? From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 fstephe@a... writes: > Just some random thoughts.... [. . .] I am sure this has been >brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet >are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. Hey, *I* certainly was not aware of it! Cool! That is really cool! :) And for those who don't know what we're talking about: R: Red > Red O: Orange > Orange Y: Golden > Yellow G: Green > Green B: Blue > Blue I: Indigo > Indigo V: Purple > Violet MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26018 Re: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles Erik Sanborn Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet When listening to some of TD's works I always feel as if I am listening to a work in progress. Kinda watching the Mona Lisa being painted...first with blonde hair, then with red, then finally a brunette. Guess nothing is final until they say it is. Does keep it exciting though. 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Well, Quinoa was a preview of the 1992 concerts. And 220 Volt is mostly > studio, while Three Phase is mostly a California concert in 1992. > > The first 5 minutes of Logos started out as a plodding 11 minute version in > fall 1981. They tightened it up for the fall 1982 show. Same with Poland. > It's 21 minutes on the Poland release but was about 30 minutes at the > concert and other 1983 concerts. So they always have some kind of preview > going which gets evolved. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:43 am Subject: Seven Letters tracks Hi everyone, My own copy of 'Seven Letters...' has the following track listing discrepancies.... CD Insert 1. The Red Blood Conection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Sun And The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Long Distance Blue 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple Of The Last Curtain Rear Cover 1. The Red Blood Connection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Blue Pearl 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple Of All Curtains We're all used to the all-too frequent typos on TDI's sleeves, but this is ridiculous ! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25986 Re: Seven Letters tracks fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:08 pm Subject: you know about this? hey jared- hope you have been well. do you know about this? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446524328/o/qid=982002363/sr=8-1/ref =aps_sr_b_1_1/107-5246850-7973354 -joe From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Seven Letters tracks Typos may exist, but I feel the intent is what matters and the intent here was the colors of the rainbow. Frank --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My own copy of 'Seven Letters...' has the following track listing discrepancies.... > > CD Insert > > 1. The Red Blood Conection > 2. The Orange Breath > 3. The Sun And The Golden Heart > 4. The Green Land > 5. The Long Distance Blue > 6. The Indigo Clouds > 7. The Purple Of The Last Curtain > > Rear Cover > > 1. The Red Blood Connection > 2. The Orange Breath > 3. The Golden Heart > 4. The Green Land > 5. The Blue Pearl > 6. The Indigo Clouds > 7. The Purple Of All Curtains > > We're all used to the all-too frequent typos on TDI's sleeves, but this is ridiculous ! > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: OT - oops - RE: [tadream] you know about this? oops sorry- that was supposed to go offlist just to jared > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > hey jared- > hope you have been well. > > do you know about this? > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446524328/o/qid=982002 > 363/sr=8-1/ref > =aps_sr_b_1_1/107-5246850-7973354 > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow distinguishes it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that would still mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume it'll turn out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) --Daniel NP: VNV Nation--Arclight (speaking of good dance music) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25992 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25994 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB 25993 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25996 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 6 KB 25998 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25999 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Sean Montgomery Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 26001 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') quarlie@a... Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26002 SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audienc Pergamon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB 26011 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Joe Shoults Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: Jared White Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another mailing list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I apologize, but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. > -----Original Message----- > From: lawlermusic [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Johnson > > > For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from > TD > > and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella > before you start > > firing.... > > > > > Dont worry , we`ll only be firing cotton wool buds at you so that > you clean > out your ears :) Maybe *your* ears are the ones that need cleaning? > Funny how people have different tastes . 7 letters was for me , > the biggest > insult TD have thrown at us . Um, and you're one to talk of insults? It's really amazing you have the guts to come up with comments like this considering you're the guy behind one of the biggest TD rip-off acts in the business! You come along, make a career out of stealing other people's ideas, and then criticize those other people in the process. And *you're* talking of insults? How dare you act like you know so much more and are so much more talented than the man who's been creating some of the greatest EM music on the planet for the past 30 years -- the man without whom you wouldn't have your 'base' to 'draw' from musically! Arcane wouldn't exist without EF, and yet you somehow have decided it's OK to make cheap potshots at him all the same. And don't give me any of this Unkle Eddie bullshit about how he's all washed up -- 7 Letters from Tibet is far better than anything I've hear YOU come up with under the guise of 'Arcane'. You still need to prove yourself, Paul. Come up with something really new. Really different. Come up with some really complex melodies. Come up with some really original sounds. Come up with a groundbreaking album in the EM genre. And I mean *ground-breaking*. Then maybe you can come back and criticize some of the latest TD releases like you're an expert. Meanwhile, your words don't hold any weight with *me*, and I daresay I'm just as an experienced musician and critic as YOU are. Jared White http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Question about Antique Dreams How much 'new and unreleased' material is there on Antiques Dreams? Any guidance for somebody on a limited buying budget would be appreciated. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25991 Re: Question about Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question about Antique Dreams About 50%. I think it's worth it but others don't feel as strongly. I think the 50% makes it worth while because we've been hoping for a new release of it. But it also leaves us hanging because Edgar could have put BOTH parts of Ultima Thule (for example) and the full Overture instead of only half of it. Also he doctored one of the Tatort tracks unnecessarily, removing the most interesting part of it. And the last few tracks are stuff we already own ad nauseum. -Morgan >From: fstephe@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Question about Antique Dreams >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:13:45 -0000 > >How much 'new and unreleased' material is there on Antiques Dreams? >Any guidance for somebody on a limited buying budget would be >appreciated. > >Frank > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Jared White Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > > In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: > > >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole > >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. > > Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow > distinguishes > it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that > would still > mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the > techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume > it'll turn > out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) Well, I've already heard the TDJ Rome MP3's on the Ground Liftaz Web site, and, though I realize they're short and don't give you much, they're enough to show me that Jerome's already gone 'all-out' way too much for my liking. The melodies are non-existent, the chordal structures are extremely limited, and most of the sounds are base samples that Jerome's done absolutely nothing with. One of the pieces, I forget which, has a bass sound with a cutoff filter sweep -- and that cutoff filter sweep is part of the sample! You can hear the sweep go at a much slower rate on the low notes than the high notes. In other words, Jerome can't even come up with his own bass sound and sweep it manually. That does *not* give me confidence in his upcoming musical projects. Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. When you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most of the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly downhill from there. Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25994 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >From: Jared White >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:15:05 -0800 > >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. If Airsculpture's Jodrell Bank 2000 concert doesn't seem like good composition, check your pulse. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. When >you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's >Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most of >the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly >downhill from there. I'm glad I'm not alone in these views. One of the drawbacks of modern technology is that people with little or no musical knowledge can produce (at very high quality) noise. It is unfortunate that this 'noise' is very easy & cheap to produce. Force it out on Radio 1 and the youngsters believe this is what music is all about. There is no reason why they should attempt to learn an instrument. Just get one of these modern boom machines, and hey presto instant 'noise'. I know there are people on this list that do not agree with this view. Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. I worry for music. I know it is continually changing. The trouble is, not all changes are for the good. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOohN1DBWmWbUzpzAEQIp4gCfXWI5g3B31Io0wRZHfDquFbSESvQAoLmI Lp5WU62rGfNybmeTQvWgeS1X =qrZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared White To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another mailing > list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I apologize, > but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. etc God Bless Jared ! Have you ever written any grounbreaking dance music to qualify *your* statement ??? Paul From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') I'll admit that I feel I can't really compose music until I get an instrument with the sounds I want. Yes, this means using pre-defined, pre-recorded samples that someone else has come up with. I don't really know where I would even begin to find my own sound effects, except some naturally and some man-made sounds I've always wanted to include. I don't have any of the equipment to do it, nor do I have the sound filtering/tweaking experience needed. But I also don't feel I can accomplish what I want on the general midi patch set. That's the crazy part. TD were using a lot of what was already included on the Mellotrons, etc. (forgive my lack of knowledge in this area) because I've heard the same sounds in other artists who have used the same equipment. But, they were GOOD samples and used in great ways. I think bad/uninteresting/tired samples are part of the deal but not all of it. I still don't understand Edgar's pushing the band to put away the old, good equipment and trying the new totally digital composing that was in its infancy. They lost their sound at the expense of new technology. Optical Race vs. Logos. It's the compositional style (without JS and CF it's pretty weak) AND the equipment. Together it was just weak. Maybe it's easier to compose that way but not worth the loss of sound. So by looking for a keyboard (Korg Wavestation or something with analog sounds) with a lot of pre-made samples, maybe I am feeding into the behavior or trend of people with little musical experience finding some sounds that could be mixed together and making something cute. Maybe, but even the very experimental stuff I have produced has seemed to have a lasting quality in me, even with all it's rough edges. And I am the first one to criticize anything I do. I know I don't have the discipline to play with 2 hands for instance, or handle 3-4 sounds at the same time. I guess because TD are an established band, more should be expected. Bottom line, people stopped taking TD seriously a long time ago except diehard fans. If Seven Letters and Dream Mixes III (based my listening to the 2 DJ Rome tracks) are where TD is going, I'm out. Mars Polaris had something to it, but not enough. -Morgan >From: Richard >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:55:48 +0000 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff > >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had >to > >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. >When > >you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's > >Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most >of > >the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly > >downhill from there. > >I'm glad I'm not alone in these views. One of the drawbacks of modern >technology is that people with little or no musical knowledge can >produce (at very high quality) noise. It is unfortunate that this >'noise' is very easy & cheap to produce. Force it out on Radio 1 and the >youngsters believe this is what music is all about. > >There is no reason why they should attempt to learn an instrument. Just >get one of these modern boom machines, and hey presto instant 'noise'. > >I know there are people on this list that do not agree with this view. >Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. > >I worry for music. I know it is continually changing. The trouble is, >not all changes are for the good. >- -- >Richard > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > >iQA/AwUBOohN1DBWmWbUzpzAEQIp4gCfXWI5g3B31Io0wRZHfDquFbSESvQAoLmI >Lp5WU62rGfNybmeTQvWgeS1X >=qrZ+ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25998 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 Ok, the flamewar stops now. Before it even starts. We are NOT going to lose more people from this tadream list because of this. >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:04:49 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jared White >To: >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:04 PM >Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > > > > Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another >mailing > > list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I >apologize, > > but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. >etc > >God Bless Jared ! >Have you ever written any grounbreaking dance music to qualify *your* >statement ??? > > > >Paul > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >That's the crazy part. TD were using a lot of what was already included on >the Mellotrons, etc. But the Mellatron had to played. There was no 'instant' button. It was (I'm sure) the first sample playback keyboard, but apart from the 'samples' it was a keyboard, and you had to play it in a special way to get the best out of it. > they were GOOD samples and used in great ways. I agree 100%. I'm planning to use Mellatron sounds when I go back out playing later this year. > >I think bad/uninteresting/tired samples are part of the deal but not all of >it. I still don't understand Edgar's pushing the band to put away the old, >good equipment and trying the new totally digital composing that was in its >infancy. They lost their sound at the expense of new technology. The same way that Tony Banks did. The last Genesis album could have been made by any session musicians. Totally Anonymous. >So by looking for a keyboard (Korg Wavestation or something with analog >sounds) with a lot of pre-made samples, maybe I am feeding into the behavior >or trend of people with little musical experience finding some sounds that >could be mixed together and making something cute. Have you looked at the Waldorf Microwave?. The first version is the closest you'll get to owning a PPG 2.3. > >Maybe, but even the very experimental stuff I have produced has seemed to >have a lasting quality in me, even with all it's rough edges. And I am the >first one to criticize anything I do. I know I don't have the discipline to >play with 2 hands for instance, or handle 3-4 sounds at the same time. I >guess because TD are an established band, more should be expected. You don't need to be able to play 'piano' style. Handling more than one sound at a time does not come naturally. It take time & practice. > >Bottom line, people stopped taking TD seriously a long time ago except >diehard fans. If Seven Letters and Dream Mixes III (based my listening to >the 2 DJ Rome tracks) are where TD is going, I'm out. Mars Polaris had >something to it, but not enough. I always thought that Tangerine Dream was a collective. Somewhat like the Beatles, as a working collective the output of the group was greater than any of the solo material. They bounced ideas off each other. When your working on your own (lets take JF out of the equation) you get stuck in a rut. I'm sure all of the musicians here will agree on that, I miss working in a group environment. I just hated the arguments! - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOohWZzBWmWbUzpzAEQJ0dwCg4fhghwxWZL+SrKonOhEnEdCwJrIAnRLn 1j8/ucCkc/F8VZ2OYKr2HBOV =/A1d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Talk about the 'death of music' is as tedious as talk about 'the death of art' (not that it stops people from talking about both topics!) I think you can chalk up the uninspiring state of contemporary music-making to a few things: 1) Corporate control of radio and record labels. Corporate heads are interested in only one thing: profits. And that means going with proven formulas that have sold well in the past. Radio isn't about music, but drawing in listeners for the advertisments. 2) Lack of new technological progression Throughout the 20th century, many musicians were inspired by new techniques of music making, whether by the electric guitar, the Moog synthesizer, or the sampler. Nothing really innovative has come along recently (at least, not that I'm aware of), and this seems to have slowed down the pace of experimentation. There's also been a slowdown in the kind of cultural cross-polination that led to jazz, rock and roll and rap. Some musicians, like Paul Haslinger, have sought inspiration in world musics, but even this genre feels tapped-out. As the influence of western rock and roll extends around the world, there will be fewer and fewer pockets of truly 'alternative' music. Everyone, from Atlanta, Georgia to the Russian state of Georgia, wants to be The Beatles. 3) A general feeling of ennui in society as a whole I had hoped that when the clock struck midnight on January 1, 2000 - and folks were forced to contend with the fact that the world had not blown up - there would be an outpouring of creativity in the artistic world. But no. I didn't feel it myself, and based on what I hear on the radio, and see in the movie theatre...other artists aren't feeling it either. People just aren't very optimistic about the future these days. There's talk of economic depression, rumblings of war, and fear of environmental collapse. Plus, art isn't especially valued right now. Unless it boosts the price of someone's stock, it gets paid no mind. People just want escapism, whether it be in happy stupid entertainment or cathartic angry entertainment. Of course, there's another point to be taken into consideration...it could just be that we just can't see the great art of our time yet. Often, it takes the perspective afforded by history to look back and pick out what was truely great in a certain era. Furthermore, the study of history has made people think that art must evolve in a Darwinian fashion, and that by following the progress of the dominant species, you can see which way things are going. But sometimes the dominant species dies, and something that has been breeding up in the branches emerges to take its place. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:43 pm Subject: Systems Music Has anybody ever heard of a 70s group called Systems Music ? I first heard them on a John Williams 'Close Encounters and other great space music' record in about 1977 . As far as I know ,they are Swedish . The tracks they wrote for the above mentioned record are amazing , absolute analogue classics . Please put me out of my searching misery . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 12:05 am Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') In a message dated 2/12/01 3:39:28 PM, jwhite@s... writes: >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had >to be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. I may be veering off-topic here, and I apologize for that, but there's still plenty of good stuff out there. People may think of 2000 as the year of mechanical, mass-produced teen pop and boneheaded rap-metal, but to me it was the year of: Symphony X, 'V' Delerium, 'Poem' Ozric Tentacles, 'The Hidden Step' Juno Reactor, 'Shango' The Trans-Siberian Orchestra, 'Beethoven's Last Night' VNV Nation, 'Empires' Collective Soul, 'Blender' Steve Roach, 'Early Man' as well as a couple of decent TD releases (hey, I'm on topic again) and, surely, other things that I can't think of at the moment. And that's just what I was able to get on my constrained college student budget. My advice is: don't get discouraged. Mainstream music may be in the gutter, but look elsewhere and you'll find some gems. --Daniel NP: the Orb--Orblivion (anybody have their new single yet?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26002 SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audienc Pergamon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:36 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Hello All I have been on the lurking mode for a VERY long time and this kind of thread is the reason. I can't help feeling when reading the thread that whatever is going to be released on the musicmarket today, some of you will just call it utterly crap. Some of you must walk around with your ears closed, because there is plenty of very good artists and music on the market today. Granted they are not a TD-clone. And yes a lot of the musicians today is forgotten in a few years, but what about all the bands you don't remember from the 70' and 80'. There will always be good and bad music and the market. It sounds like some of you can't cope with the fact that music is evolving. I have always been fascinated by electronic music, but I have always looked at the new impulses from the market. I love TD and the likes, but I make Goa / PsyTrance myself. Deal with the fact that other people don't have the same musictaste as you do. Why waste so much time discussing all the music you don't like when you could spend that time with the music you like. If TD is trying something new, fine with me. If Jerome has an urge to make music for the dancefloors, fine with me. As I stated before on this list, TD is not what it was in the *old days*. This is mainly because the TD-crew has changed, but also because we are writing 2001, and a lot has changed since then. The music and what you are influenced by, is very different from then. And don't give me that story about 'remember the time when people actually had to play their instrument' is this stated by people that don't know what it takes to play a synth. It doesn't do it all by itself, I am sorry to break this to you, but YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLAY THE THING BEFORE IT MAKES ANYTHING. Yes you have got programs on the computer which can control all your synths. This is mainly because most artist today, work alone and have several synths, which is very hard to play at the same time. You only have to hands. But, you still have to play and record the music you are making. You also had these programs back then, just in another form. Some of the music today is very low quality, but hey!, it has always been so. Just remember some of the horrible bands in the 70', 80' and 90'. So IMO there has always been musicians with little or no musical knowledge that has been making music. This is not a modern technology thing. And there will always be teenagers with little music knowledge that listens to this. Some of the comments in the 70' about TD was, 'this was just some mediocre Hippie-crap-music', 'if this is modern music I fear for music' etc etc. So here were are 20-30 years later and I still hear those comments. It makes you think. Back to lurk mode and my modern boom machines and making some high quality noise Jan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 In a message dated 2/12/2001 1:13:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, feldon23@h... writes: > Ok, the flamewar stops now. Before it even starts. > We are NOT going to lose more people from this tadream list because of this. > *Well you lost one anyway.... I just came back from an absence only to read Jareds self-righteous personal attacks at Paul Lawler, and quite frankly I don't have time for this immature bullshit. I know there are some good people here and wish you well, but If Jared is still throwing temper tantrums at the drop of a pin, well I have better things to do. Paul Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:58 am Subject: Lightwave to perform at Alfa Centauri The French electro-acoustic duo Lightwave, whom some of you may know from their collaborations with Paul Haslinger, will perform (without Paul) at the 8th Annual Alfa Centauri Festival on Saturday, April 28 at the Theatre 't Spant in Bussum, The Netherlands. For additional informatio, please visit the Alfa Centauri Web site at www.alfacentauri.nl. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: RE: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim...[tadream] Digest N umber 791 >Rainbow Serpent >Keller & Schonwalder >Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan >Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman >So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new >listmembers? Don't know if I qualify as new, in any respect, but would certainly consider going. I've heard about Jodrell Bank but don't know where it is. Is there a web-site for Info. and booking maybe? /Olle From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your own tastes. OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex thing. Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26007 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Heiko Heerssen Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26010 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') quarlie@a... Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26012 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Feldon Feldon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB 26014 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') lawlermusic Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26015 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Sean Montgomery Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26016 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26017 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Feldon Feldon Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... schrieb: > OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only > hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is > that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally > referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are > internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you > are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may > strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex > thing. > Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Well said, Kevin. I couldn't agree more with you, this should be carved in stone. Heiko n.p.: TD Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.75, a milestone in electronic music. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Hi Joel, Have a look at the 7 letters page on my site, all is explained... http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/tibet.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Joel S. Mullen' >À : ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Objet : RE: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet >Date : Lun 12 fév 2001 18:43 > > On Monday, February 12, 2001 10:44 AM, fstephe@a... > [SMTP:fstephe@a...] wrote: > >> >> Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that >> the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. >> Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > > > I am trying to remember what I have read, but wasn't there something > about the tracks being re-named? Something like originally it would > have been ROYGBIV, but for some reason track #3 is now 'G' for > Golden, instead of 'Y' for yellow and track #7 is now 'P' for Purple > instead of 'V' for Violet? I know the track names don't even match > from the back of the CD case to the insert, but that should be no > surprise either I guess. Anyone remember what I am talking about > or am I just crazy? > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf provided clearly states that PDO will replace all defective discs up to 20 years after they were pressed? tom -- On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:12 Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > >Rolf Elfstrvm wrote: >> >> Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly >> found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) >> between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum >> cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. >> (...) >> Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' >> near the center hole... > > >Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled >'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour >is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very >uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! > >Antonio Nunes > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') In a message dated 2/13/01 10:09:16 AM, kevine@c... writes: >Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to >add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or >art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: >objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your >own tastes. I thoroughly agree. Upon re-reading I see that my previous post may have been unclear. My reason for listing some recent examples of what I consider good music was to show the diversity of music available to those who seek it. The albums I listed are all very different, but even if someone doesn't happen to like any of them, they're bound to find *something* they like, thus my advice to not get discouraged. --Daniel NP: Orbital--the Middle of Nowhere From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') hey Jan- I may be asking something everybody already knows, but could you explain Goa? what is this? thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] ... > but I make Goa / PsyTrance myself. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26027 SV: [tadream] Goa?????? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') My TD exposure started with the movie Miracle Mile. Then I got Turn of the Tides, then Rockoon, and then 220 Volt. I loved them all. Then when I stumbled across Phaedra, Logos, Tangram (I admit it took me some time to get into this one), Force Majeure, Encore (took me a LONG time to get into this one), I realized that I had been listening to but faint echoes of the compositional masterpieces TD had done in the past. Now, I hardly listen to 220 Volt and only a couple of tracks on Rockoon and Turn of the Tides. So this punches a big hole in your argument that whatever you hear first is what you will always be enamoured with. I am EXAMPLE A that this is not always the case. -Morgan From: kevine@c... Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:07:02 -0500 Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your own tastes. OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex thing. Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs tom george wrote: > > why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf > provided clearly states that PDO will replace all > defective discs up to 20 years after they were > pressed? You're right. I've an obsession with backups because I work on a Computer Dept. :-) Antonio np: Arcane - Alterstill From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') > My TD exposure started with the movie Miracle Mile. Then I got Turn of the > Tides, then Rockoon, and then 220 Volt. I loved them all. > > Then when I stumbled across Phaedra, Logos, Tangram (I admit it took me some > time to get into this one), Force Majeure, Encore (took me a LONG time to > get into this one), I realized that I had been listening to but faint echoes > of the compositional masterpieces TD had done in the past. Now, I hardly > listen to 220 Volt and only a couple of tracks on Rockoon and Turn of the > Tides. > > So this punches a big hole in your argument that whatever you hear first is > what you will always be enamoured with. I am EXAMPLE A that this is not > always the case. > > -Morgan > I`m not sure if thats the case with me or not . My first TD record was Force Majeur , folled by Logos , Poland and Le parc . At the time , I only liked the more 'tuneful' aspects of these albums ,but as time went by , and the Haslinger era happened , I much preferred albums like optical race , lily on the beach etc . It seems now though , as i have got older , that I can only really listen to the schmoelling era , and for opposite reasons than at first . I never really got into the 70s stuff at all , apart from Green Desert and cyclone (honest) Paul From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... wrote: > It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. You have no argument from me on that one! Another thought, related to this discussion, occurred to me this morning. 1987-89 was a pretty bleak time for pop music too. The airwaves were filled with the likes of Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block and Kylie Minogue. Rock music was dominated by hair bands (Cinderella, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses). The 'new wave' explosion of the early 80s had petered out, the Smiths had broken up, U2 and R.E.M. had gone top-40...and Tangerine Dream was embracing short pop song structures with cheesy drums and cheesier melodies. It would have been easy to declare 'the death of music' back then too. But for those willing to look, lurking in the background were artists like The Stone Roses, Nirvana, The Pixies, 808 State, Derrick May, Soul II Soul, Public Enemy and Nine Inch Nails, designing musical templates for the coming decade. And there's still good music being made today too. I heartilly recommend 'Agaetis Byrjun', by Iceland's Sigur Ros, and 'Lift You Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven', by Canada's own Godspeed You Black Emperor. This is prog rock for the new millenium...glacially cool and beautiful. I also liked Thievery Corporation's 'The Mirror Conspiracy', Bebel Gilberto's 'Tanto Tempo' and Da Lata's 'From the Tin'...all have their roots in Brazillian music, which I've really grown to like over the past couple of years. Banco de Gaia's 'Igizeh' and Bowery Electric's 'Nightlife' were pretty cool too...and Lisa Gerrard continued to move me with her vocal work on the Gladiator soundtrack. I could go on...but for me, the main point is that you just have to do a little more work to find interesting music. Thankfully, the advent of mp3s has made sampling new sounds very easy. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Hey Morgan, I guess I didn't make my argument clearly enough. I am not trying to imply that what you hear first is what you will be enamored with, although it could be read that way. I also do not disgree with your taste in music :-). My argument is that your tastes evolve over time. You enjoyed Rockoon, for example. This enjoyment coloured your enjoyment of Rubycon and Encore. That you came to enjoy Encore more than Rockoon just goes to show that taste is a complex thing. I was also arguing that Edgar's tastes have evolved over time as well. For many of us here, our tastes have diverged from his. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') I get blank stares when I tell people that I listen to Nine Inch Nails not for the coarse lyrics, but for the compositional masterpieces that Trent produces. It's a shame that he doesn't produce 20 minute songs. He always rushes through what could be much longer and even more developed compositions. -Morgan From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:49:35 -0500 kevine@c... wrote: > It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. You have no argument from me on that one! Another thought, related to this discussion, occurred to me this morning. 1987-89 was a pretty bleak time for pop music too. The airwaves were filled with the likes of Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block and Kylie Minogue. Rock music was dominated by hair bands (Cinderella, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses). The 'new wave' explosion of the early 80s had petered out, the Smiths had broken up, U2 and R.E.M. had gone top-40...and Tangerine Dream was embracing short pop song structures with cheesy drums and cheesier melodies. It would have been easy to declare 'the death of music' back then too. But for those willing to look, lurking in the background were artists like The Stone Roses, Nirvana, The Pixies, 808 State, Derrick May, Soul II Soul, Public Enemy and Nine Inch Nails, designing musical templates for the coming decade. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:12:38 -0500 > From: scfeldman@j... > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 fstephe@a... writes: > > > Just some random thoughts.... [. . .] I am sure this has been > >brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet > >are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > > > > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > > Hey, *I* certainly was not aware of it! Cool! That is really >cool! :) > And for those who don't know what we're talking about: > >R: Red > Red >O: Orange > Orange >Y: Golden > Yellow >G: Green > Green >B: Blue > Blue >I: Indigo > Indigo >V: Purple > Violet It's funny but I thought the rainbow reference was obvious given that 7 Letters is essentially a 'new age' album in musical style. Throw in a little mention of Tibet and the rainbow connection seems obvious, almost cliche', to me. For years TD fans, myself included, have griped about their favorite band being labeled 'new age'. Seeing Tangram and Logos in the music bins next to the likes of John Tesh and Yanni made me cringe. So what does TD do? They finally produce an album that fits in that genre. Don't get me wrong, I really do like 7 Letters. But I think it's important to look at it in the context of itself rather than in the context of the rest of TD's discography. I have introduced the album to non-TD fans who generally like the 'new age' style and most enjoy it. Some have even gone to the stores to buy their own copies! I'm glad that TD is not afraid to try something different for them. I'd rather they experiment and fail a few times in order to produce something really interesting than to churn out album after album of the same thing. I like Mars Polaris but I wouldn't want them to create several subsequent albums that all sound the same as it. Variety and experimentation make things interesting. I'm personally looking forward to the release of Star Trooper. I think there's quite a bit that Edgar could do with TD interpretations of classical pieces. Okay, some of you may be saying, 'I can do without tangentized J.S.Bach!' And you may be right, but it's worth a try. If Metallica can *successfully* combine metal with a symphony orchestra then TD should be able to step outside their usual musical style and try something new. I certainly hope so. Regards, Erik np: EF - 'Magic Lantern' (Love that guitar!) From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: TDI update Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. cheers Gary. From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI update woohoo!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:53 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TDI update > > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > cheers Gary. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a > s BRANCH my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a > s LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Anyone taping? If not, I might be able to loan my analog deck... Scott From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Hyper-not-boring-at-all I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the desolation of the first part. Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they used to make in that period. When I play Sphinx Lightning and remember the first two tracks, for some reason I think this album is, in some level, very close to the Pink years, maybe because of the vastness of the title track and of SL. Sphinx Lightning has a magical moment that begins around 9:45 and ends around 12:45. Thinking about all parts of this track together, as if looking at a whole continent from the space, makes SL sound perfect or at least very very well done: the sparse intro, the cold soft sequenced percussion section, those magic minutes between 9:45 and 12:45, the intro to the heavier percussion with water drops sounds (great percussion) part, the heavier percussion part itself, and the majestic ending. Some of those other magical TD moments are: the Monolight tune, Force Majeure 6:45-9:something, somewhere in the middle of the first half of the Brussels Jensen University 1976 concert (found in the Danger Live boo**** :), and many others. It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)² - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds I had ever heard (Extracts from Poland and White Eagle were my first TD albums). I think anyone who hasn't heard Hyperborea yet should look for it, it's worth buying. It's almost as good as White Eagle. Maybe what makes White Eagle sound better than Hyperborea is the more sequencey style of WE, or maybe that froesian track (Convention of the 24), or the vastness of Hyperb., or all that. If I had to give Hyperb. a grade, between 0 and 10, it would be 7.5. White Eagle would get 8.5. Cyclone would get 6.5. Goblins' Club would get 4. Tyranny of Beauty, 5. Phaedra, 9. Tangram, something between 9.5 and 10.3. Stratosfear, something between 9.5 and 10.3 Force Majeure, 9.5. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26023 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Richard Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26032 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all John Marchington Wed 2/14/2001 5 KB 26034 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all PENFOLD Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26039 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Armin Theissen Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26044 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gary Jenkins Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26056 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Antonio Nunes Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, >or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > I have to agree. This album has a sound of it's own. >Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or >whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, >taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. >At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is >extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the >desolation of the first part. This is one of my favourite tracks, the second half being almost magical. I fact I was going to do a cover of it on my 'cover' album. > >Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they >used to make in that period. A re-run of Chronozon perhaps? - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOom6CjBWmWbUzpzAEQJIkwCgzNc7D45Y7TtrkafsfOYILV1GSf4AoLsy 3Q2vq4yVokgFOwbu2Jm1IJ+E =m42b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: history of electronic musical instruments cool link: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/ From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:49 pm Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet >You still need to prove yourself, Paul. (etc - rant removed... we all read it the first time) >Jared White Can't say that I agree there Jared... Arcane gets more airtime on my CD player now than TD. I feel that what Paul has done is to take the better elements of TD's work, leave out the shite and come up with some wholly excellent stuff. And you obviously don't realise that the skill he has in recreating the glory days of TD comes from his great love of TD. It's his love of this era that is making him create music in this style, because it's what people are crying out for. TD no longer can manage it, but Paul does it effortlessly. You should also note that this is merely one of many styles of music in which Paul excels... you should hear some of his TV soundtrack work, and you would be amazed that the same guy has a part time hobby of cloning and in some case bettering TD's glory days. I can't help but feel you are being a tad unfair to a very talented young man. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is a childish rant, and quite a personal attack... perhaps better saved for private emails than for torching the list with. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26026 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: 7 Letters from Tibet Thanks, Lawry. However, Jared is unable to read your message, as he has been unsubscribed from this list. You may contact him directly at jwhite@s... -JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [mailto:lawrysimm@s...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:49 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] RE: 7 Letters from Tibet > > > >You still need to prove yourself, Paul. (etc - rant > removed... we all read > it the first time) > >Jared White ... > man. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is a childish > rant, and > quite a personal attack... perhaps better saved for private > emails than for > torching the list with. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:05 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Goa?????? hey Jan- I may be asking something everybody already knows, but could you explain Goa? what is this? thanks, Joe Hello This musicstyle is in the Techno-genre. This is the style that started the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a place called Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the style is called Goa. The biggest name in that style, must be Astral Projection. A lot of Goa bands emerged from Israel, thus the name IsraGoa was given to their style. Goa has evolved tremendously in the past 8 years or so. This scene is constantly changing into new styles, there are litteraly dozen of musicstyles in the underground Technoscene. It is sometimes different which style dominates different countrys. Here in Denmark I would say that PsyTrance is the biggest. PsyTrance is fastgoing beats with layers of trip-sounds, were Goa is more fluent with layers of seguencers and more melodic. Trance is even more melodic and Dance has added song and is what rules the commercial musicmarket today. Hopes this gives a pictures of what Goa is. Regards Jan From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Goa?????? yes, thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a > place called > Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the > style is called... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26029 SV: [tadream] Goa?????? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:17 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Goa?????? You are welcome Jan -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] Sendt: 14. februar 2001 01:10 Til: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Emne: RE: [tadream] Goa?????? yes, thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a > place called > Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the > style is called... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:41 am Subject: TD USA? Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. I got a stack of TD CD's several feet long (well over a hundred + items now), listening to it day in and day out. I drive my wife and daughter crazy. Talk about crazy, with the Internet, ListServ, videos, etc., I almost feel like I 'know' these guys. Gotta luv the 'net. It would be so cool to see them perform, perhaps to even meet them. Currently listening to CD4 of 'i-box' while I crank out working drawings for a commercial project. Ooops, better get back to work! Forever optimistic, James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26037 Re: TD USA? Totta Wed 2/14/2001 4 KB 26038 Re: TD USA? Heiko Heerssen Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26049 SV: [tadream] TD USA? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26041 Re: TD USA? Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26042 Re: TD USA? TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26063 Re: TD USA? Scott Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB 26118 Re: TD USA? Patrik . Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs I have had a considerable amount of experience dealing with PDO (now UML -- Universal Music Limited) over the question of bronzed discs. As Rolf Elfstrvm has stated, if the date on the disc label is between (about) 1988 and 1993 and the words 'Made in UK by PDO' are seen around the centre hole, I would suggest attempting replacement. Discs pressed by PDO in other countries (e.g. W. Germany) are NOT involved. However, it seems that the company has now changed its policy in that in recent times I have been asked to return all the original discs I have ever had replaced (dealing with someone who has now retired, I was originally told that I could destroy them, but I never did) BEFORE they would send me others -- so it would seem that perhaps some customers have tried to pull the wool over its eyes and get free discs from the company, so be warned! Most of my Virgin years TD were pressed by Nimbus -- indeed, I haven't got any TD pressed by PDO in the UK. (Mine were all classical on the Hyperion, ASV, Albany, Unicorn-Kanchana and BBC Music labels). ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs > why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf > provided clearly states that PDO will replace all > defective discs up to 20 years after they were > pressed? > tom > -- > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:12 > Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Rolf Elfstrvm wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly > > >> found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) > > >> between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum > > >> cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. > > >> (...) > > >> Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' > > >> near the center hole... > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled > > >'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour > > >is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very > > >uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! > > > > > >Antonio Nunes > > > > > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > > > > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. > FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all Hear! Hear! I've always considered the title track to be one of TD's most inspired creations, and the second subject is especially lovely with some great little nuances in rhythm as well. I play it a lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the desolation of the first part. Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they used to make in that period. When I play Sphinx Lightning and remember the first two tracks, for some reason I think this album is, in some level, very close to the Pink years, maybe because of the vastness of the title track and of SL. Sphinx Lightning has a magical moment that begins around 9:45 and ends around 12:45. Thinking about all parts of this track together, as if looking at a whole continent from the space, makes SL sound perfect or at least very very well done: the sparse intro, the cold soft sequenced percussion section, those magic minutes between 9:45 and 12:45, the intro to the heavier percussion with water drops sounds (great percussion) part, the heavier percussion part itself, and the majestic ending. Some of those other magical TD moments are: the Monolight tune, Force Majeure 6:45-9:something, somewhere in the middle of the first half of the Brussels Jensen University 1976 concert (found in the Danger Live boo**** :), and many others. It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)² - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds I had ever heard (Extracts from Poland and White Eagle were my first TD albums). I think anyone who hasn't heard Hyperborea yet should look for it, it's worth buying. It's almost as good as White Eagle. Maybe what makes White Eagle sound better than Hyperborea is the more sequencey style of WE, or maybe that froesian track (Convention of the 24), or the vastness of Hyperb., or all that. If I had to give Hyperb. a grade, between 0 and 10, it would be 7.5. White Eagle would get 8.5. Cyclone would get 6.5. Goblins' Club would get 4. Tyranny of Beauty, 5. Phaedra, 9. Tangram, something between 9.5 and 10.3. Stratosfear, something between 9.5 and 10.3 Force Majeure, 9.5. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26034 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all PENFOLD Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:35 am Subject: OT: Techno??? After suffering from the proliferation of Techno playing camps at Burning Man 1999, especially one on the outskirts of the village I was camping in (they powered down at 5:30AM), somebody made the observation that from a distance, Techno is virtually indistinguishable from the sound of boots in a dryer. In fact, a guy from another village actually made a recording of boots in the dryer and played it on one of the radio stations! As for Trance, it's much more tolerable. But when it runs at an obscene volume until 7:30am less than 100' from your tent (Black Rock Space Port at Burning Man 2000) it's enough to make Mother Teresa do some ultra-violence! What did our village (Gigsville) do? We waited until ~11:30am and went into their camp space with bullhorns, air raid sirens, drums, banged on pots and pans, and my 12' GONG! After rudely waking them up, we let them fall back asleep and repeated the performance 45 minutes later. Their camp was quiet that evening. Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all At 01.02.14 16:34, John Marchington wrote: >Hear! Hear! I've always considered the title track to be one of TD's most >inspired creations, and the second subject is especially lovely with some >great little nuances in rhythm as well. I play it a lot. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Gustavo Jobim' >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:29 PM >Subject: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all > > >I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated >chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > >No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the >Schmoelling years. This album's one of my faves as well. I even like the Tangentized version of _No Man's Land_ The title and the eastern rhythms evoke images of the desert, which is one reason DJ DreamHead includes it on his play list when spinning at one of the radio stations at the Burning Man festival Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI update Gary Jenkins wrote: > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > cheers Gary. To be more specific, TDI told me that the unconfirmed dates should be at the end of June through early July. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26040 Re: TDI update C. Chambers Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: re: Re: Bronzing CDs Yes, it's true. I contacted PDO, gave them all my info - all the numbers in the CD and my address - and they've sent me 2 or 3 emails saying they've already ordered a new CDV2226 (White Eagle) for me and that they'll send it to me ASAP. All you have to do is contact patburnshelpline@c..., ask for a new copy and give them your info. I'm 98% sure about the address, but you can confirm it on the Hyperion Records site, which can be found following a link in that page provided by Rolf. ---- From: 'tom george' why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf provided clearly states that PDO will replace all defective discs up to 20 years after they were pressed? tom -- From: Totta Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? SWEDEN... Why cant whey came to sweden, ist a nice country, and they never have been here, buhubhu Totta 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). > > Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' > > Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about > attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? > > If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... > Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be > inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. > > I got a stack of TD CD's several feet long (well over a hundred + items > now), listening to it day in and day out. I drive my wife and daughter > crazy. > > Talk about crazy, with the Internet, ListServ, videos, etc., I almost feel > like I 'know' these guys. Gotta luv the 'net. It would be so cool to see > them perform, perhaps to even meet them. > > Currently listening to CD4 of 'i-box' while I crank out working drawings for > a commercial project. Ooops, better get back to work! > > Forever optimistic, > > James Horecka, AIA, Architect > jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka > DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? Totta schrieb: > SWEDEN... Why cant whey came to sweden, ist a nice country, and they never have been here, buhubhu Germany 12 points, Sweden 0 points! hehe... ;-))))) But it's true, TD seem to have quite a lot of fans throughout whole Scandinavia but so far there hasn't been any single concert there. Shame on 'em! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26049 SV: [tadream] TD USA? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > > No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. > generally an ultimative track! This or Ravi Shankar focusses all cosmic energies in my living room! armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26044 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gary Jenkins Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI update > Gary Jenkins wrote: > > > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > > cheers Gary. > > To be more specific, TDI told me that the unconfirmed dates should be at > the end of June through early July. > > Vic Atlanta?? Didn't someone float that rumor a while back? I know you would have asked :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD USA? yes, if a USA tour pans out, I'll be there certainly, too, but I hope the info comes soon, so I have time to save $$ and plan a trip, as I'll be lucky if they come here to Cleveland. Although Cleveland is typically a no-miss market for most bands and genres, I'm only guessing (hoping I'm wrong), but they will probably only play the coasts. I'm sure they will shoot for the markets they think will fill the seats. but they seem to have done pretty well in Cleveland in the past, judging from the attendance I saw in '92, '88 and '86. But I wouldn't hold yer breath waiting for them to play Cloudburst Flight or anything. In 1992, I had not kept up with their new releases and was quite surprised at the Rockoon-based material, indeed dismayed as I had MY head in the past. But I'm sure we'll get plenty of heads-up from the Shepherd's Bush show. BTW, what does it mean 'There is a 10:15 p.m. curfew on the show'? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: James Horecka, AIA [mailto:jhorecka@p...] > Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). > Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most > excellent!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26042 Re: TD USA? TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD USA? At 10:23 14.02.01 , you wrote: >yes, if a USA tour pans out, I'll be there certainly, too, but I hope the >info comes soon, so I have time to save $$ and plan a trip, as I'll be lucky >if they come here to Cleveland. Although Cleveland is typically a no-miss >market for most bands and genres, I'm only guessing (hoping I'm wrong), but >they will probably only play the coasts. I'm sure they will shoot for the >markets they think will fill the seats. but they seem to have done pretty >well in Cleveland in the past, judging from the attendance I saw in '92, '88 >and '86. > >But I wouldn't hold yer breath waiting for them to play Cloudburst Flight or >anything. In 1992, I had not kept up with their new releases and was quite >surprised at the Rockoon-based material, indeed dismayed as I had MY head in >the past. But I'm sure we'll get plenty of heads-up from the Shepherd's >Bush show. BTW, what does it mean 'There is a 10:15 p.m. curfew on the >show'? > >Joe Dear Joe and list, to clear this confusion up - in case of the Shepherds Bush show on May 12th the '10:15 pm curfew' means that the show must be over by that time, i.e. all music will have to stop then and the crowd will have to leave the venue. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >From: Jared White > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > > > > In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: > > > > >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole > > >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. > > > > Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow > > distinguishes > > it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that > > would still > > mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the > > techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume > > it'll turn > > out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) > >Well, I've already heard the TDJ Rome MP3's on the Ground Liftaz Web site, >and, though I realize they're short and don't give you much, they're enough >to show me that Jerome's already gone 'all-out' way too much for my liking. I just listened to both samples. Let's see, Edgar doesn't to do Tangerine Dream anymore, and Jerome doesn't have the desire or foundation to do EITHER Tangerine Dream OR fresh dance music. Time to pull the plug now? -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an > underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > > > > No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound > from the Schmoelling years. > > > Hi as shown on my email address Hyperborea the track is one of my all time favourite tracks no mans land and cinnamon road are also great my only problem is sphinx lightning which i feel starts of promising but does not live up to that promise perhaps i was hoping for another mojave plan. Cheers Gary > > > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: TD's Eclecticism On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:59:15 -0600 'Feldon Feldon' writes: >[. . .] Let's see, Edgar doesn't to do Tangerine Dream anymore, >and Jerome doesn't have the desire or foundation to do EITHER >Tangerine Dream OR fresh dance music. > > Time to pull the plug now? Why? There are an awful lot of people who complain about when a band is in a rut, churning out the same thing year after year, and here our fave band is pretty much doing everything *but* that -- so I myself am more greatful than grumpy about their eclecticism. What other band would put out records like MARS POLARIS, THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET, and THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA all in the span of two years? > -Morgan MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: djpinky420@h... Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Remember the Orb?? Hey Guys!! I'm a big TD fan and I also really dig the Orb. Remember Danny Tenaglia's remix of Little Fluffy Clouds? I wonder what he's gonna remix off of Cydonia, their new album coming out Feb. 26. I think y'all should check it out cause I know I'm going to. peese. =) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26047 Re: Remember the Orb?? Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26050 SV: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? wasn't he the host of 'Dance Fever'? > -----Original Message----- > From: djpinky420@h... [mailto:djpinky420@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? > > > Remember > Danny Tenaglia's remix From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deborah Johnson sorry for the private post to the list but i have fatal email problems ever since Lycos took over Angelfire. i try to access mail from 9 days ago and it tells me they are no longer there even though i can read the headers. so would Deborah please repost your email to me entitled 'TD East Tennessee Roaming' dated 2/5/01 and any others you may have written to my hotmail address. thank you. eloyusa30@h... Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:05 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] TD USA? Germany 12 points, Sweden 0 points! hehe... ;-))))) But it's true, TD seem to have quite a lot of fans throughout whole Scandinavia but so far there hasn't been any single concert there. Shame on 'em! Heiko Couldn't agree with you more. Apparently TD does not feel the need to enlighten their fans in Scandinavia with performances here. There are several good places for a performance in both Denmark and Sweden. Shame on you TD. Jan From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:15 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:42 pm Subject: latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour '...things are looking very good that this tour will indeed take place' * 14-15 dates (it is not yet clear if any venues will have multiple dates) * late June, early July * handled by ICM management (a major entertainment agency) however, it is too early to confirm anything, so don't get yer panties in a bunch just yet! ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26052 Re: latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour Dave Brewer Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 4:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour Arrrgh! They're starting to bunch up! I have seen TD live once, back in '92 in Scottsdale. I was looking forward to this possible upcoming tour and then I realized, I'm going to be in L.A. for this year's Anime Expo July 4-8. If they're coming to Arizona for this tour, it better not be during that time! If they're in L.A. during that time, I may have to catch a cab or something over to the concert! Maybe hook up with someone there?? Returning to lurk mode... Dave B. (looking forward to Okefenokee 2001) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: [tadream] latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour >'...things are looking very good that this tour will indeed take place' > >* 14-15 dates (it is not yet clear if any venues will have multiple dates) >* late June, early July >* handled by ICM management (a major entertainment agency) > >however, it is too early to confirm anything, so don't get yer panties in a >bunch just yet! >;-) > From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Wanted Would anyone here who has the Klaus Schulze Sound sample disc like the one Groove just auctioned please contact me OFFLIST regarding getting a CDR copy of this disc. PLEASE. THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert email: hghlndr@t... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26054 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Kees Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Wanted At 00:53 15/02/2001 -0500, you wrote: > Would anyone here who has the Klaus Schulze Sound sample disc like the >one Groove just auctioned please contact me OFFLIST regarding getting a CDR >copy of this disc. PLEASE. Sorry but I must correct you. We do NOT auction this disc! We RAFFLE a copy between people who bought/buy something in the period Jan 15 - Feb 15 2001. So today's the last day to participate. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Wanted The CD I am looking for is called THE COLLECTION it is a sound library CD. THE HIGHLANDER From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)² > - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds > I had ever heard My PC plays this particular chord at Windows startup, instead of the Brian Eno tune. The same chord was also used by Paul Lawler (oops, I mean Arcane :-)) on the track 'The visible empty man' - album Future Wreck. The first time I heard this track, I was playing the CD on my PC. When the Sphynx Lightning chord strikes for the first time, I thought: why is my PC playing the startup sound together with the CD?! Then the chord strikes again, and at that time I was convinced that my PC was completely mad :-) But finally I realized that the chord was part of 'The visible empty man', and now that track is my favourite of that album. Hyperborea fans should listen to Future Wreck and particularly to the aforementioned track. It's a very 'striking' experience! Antonio Nunes np: Arcane - Alterstill From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: OT: mail footer links After we stop running the footer link for Dreamwatcher's Tales (below), I'm thinking it would be good to run rotating links to the individual artists' sites/info. If you want to be included in the rotation, click here: mailto:tadream-owner@y...?subject=include in footer rotati on If you reply, I'll also make sure your info is updated on the musos page (http://www.tadream.net/musos), so you can include any additional info for that page too if you want. Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26061 Re: OT: mail footer links Joe Shoults Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again i have 'Rushes' and i like it alot. i have heard rumors of it being McCartney but it sure doesn't mention it anywhere in the package. it does look like his daughter 'Stella' that is naked under the disc. there are 2 more copies of this collecting dust at my local 'Best Buy'. if anyone wants me to secure them a copy let me know at: eloyusa30@h... -- On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:46:11 Sean Montgomery wrote: > > >'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' wrote: > >> > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' >> > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient >> > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and >> > Kraftwerk. >> >> Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD >> or KW? > >Actually, Rushes *is* the second Fireman release. I can't remember the exact name of the first album, but it had the word 'Strawberry' in it, if I'm not mistaken. Rushes is >pretty cool. A bit like Eno's 'Apollo', with its addition of acoustic guitar. Very laid-back. > > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Arcane /Max Richter new stuff Hi , I`ve uploaded the first track in my guise as Max Richter to the Arcane page . The track is called 'The House of Visual Transference ' I would welcome all comments good or bad (oh no Jareds not on list anymore is he ) as they will shape the rest of the album Hope you all like it . Click the link below . Paul http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26062 Re: Arcane /Max Richter new stuff lawlermusic Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again tom george > i have 'Rushes' and i like it alot. i have heard > rumors of it being McCartney but it sure doesn't > mention it anywhere in the package. It is pretty much confirmed that Paul is the Fireman. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: mail footer links oops- I put an extra 'o' in the e-mail link (thanks j.gordon) use this one instead: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=include in footer rotatio n > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > sites/info. If you want to be included in the rotation, click here: > mailto:tadream-owner@y...?subject=include in f From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane /Max Richter new stuff Just been told the track has two gliches on it 5.21 and 5.40 ish , I`ll try and upload another version of it later on .Bloody MP3s http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:52 pm Subject: Re: TD USA? >Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). >Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' >Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about >attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? >If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... >Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be >inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. Given their obvious liking of the American West, I think they'll definitely head out there, but still, until you have a ticket in your hand, no, until they take the stage, don't hold your breath. We've been through this before! About your dreams, all I can say is, now you know how your daughter feels about N'Sync! :-) I just hope that there will be tapers at each of the venues. Scott From: joe@t... Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:32 am Subject: Real Dream Encores Hi-hoo! At this very moment enjoying 'the real dream encores'. Thanks Rolf! ;-) - Who can supply the cover/booklet? / Johan, sthlm.se :) From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Max Richter MP3 Right , there is a new version up now without the dropouts , and sounding a lot clearer .God knows what happened to the first one . Try again if you will . I am looking for comments , however trivial , bad , good etc .Call it market research to try and make the album appeal to as many people as possible . I`ll be away till next thursday , but I`ll get any responses (providing there are any :! ) then Paul http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: Felna Greymane Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: My apologies Sorry for posting this to list. Chris, email I am sending you is bouncing. The address I am replying to is 'CJ' . Thanks. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Okay, I've decided to pop up from Lurk mode again and admit that I will be going to see TD in may. Glynn, should I try and find my wonder t-shirt again? 8-) Conrad, I don't see yur name down in the list - going your own way this time. You may be the only face I remember (since we bumped into each other at Glasgow a couple of years back). Anyway, look forqward to meeting you guys in the Moon on the Green pub. BTW, did someone post some reasonably priced hotels in the area? Cheers, Craig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26071 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Michael A Jean Sun 2/18/2001 2 KB From: 'James Williams' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I'll Be There, So will my mate I've not been keeping track of messages on the list the last few weeks, so apologies if this has already been covered. Are there any plans to meet up prior to the concert? James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Craig Cordrey' To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > > Okay, I've decided to pop up from Lurk mode again and admit that I will be > going to see TD in may. Glynn, should I try and find my wonder t-shirt > again? 8-) > > Conrad, I don't see yur name down in the list - going your own way this > time. You may be the only face I remember (since we bumped into each other > at Glasgow a couple of years back). > > Anyway, look forqward to meeting you guys in the Moon on the Green pub. > > BTW, did someone post some reasonably priced hotels in the area? > > Cheers, > Craig > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 11:29 am Subject: auction closed Hi all, the auction on my rarities page is now closed. I'll leave the results on display for a few days. Quinoa and the Rockoon single were not sold, so feel free to bid below the minimum bid - but with no obligation for me to accept it. http://www.caby.de/Rarity cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27590 auction closed Klaus Beschorner Sun 7/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:44 pm Subject: wants hi everyone i am after a number of rare 7' singles and a few promo cds please check out my items wanted section on my web site (URL below) i will trade vast amounts of cdrs (check out my unofficial releases list) or i will buy (no silly prices please :-) ) if any one can help me please get in touch thanks ps please sign my guest book hope to see most of you in may at the concert!!! Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Just to update folks, I was considering attending the UK show, but I just accepted a job in Washington DC, and will be packing and movng across the country in the next month or so...So the chances of flying off to the UK seem pretty slim, given all these other costs...I may also fall behind in my email...I look forward to meeting up with some East Coast TD fans some time in the future...And if a tour does materialize, hopefully I'll be able to meet up with you at a show or two... MJ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Hello everyone, I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26114 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 36860 Underground VCD news by Rainer ! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 10/28/2002 2 KB 26119 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Feldon Feldon Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26123 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Antonio Nunes Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:10 am Subject: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Hi gang, Germany's monthly paper 'musikexpress' (issue #2/2001, February) has asked 'experts' (mostly journalists) and issued a poll of the 50 'best' Germanrock records which 'made history'. Among them, on rank #32 (between Die Fantastischen Vier: 'Die vierte Dimension' and Amon Düül II: 'Phallu Dei'): TD's 'Phaedra'. The album is 'a milestone of electronic music, the founder of a new genre', the magazine found out. 'For Tangerine Dream, this meant the initial starting of a still lasting international carreer.' Besides the lines about the LP, the magazine printed a short (!) interview with Edgar Froese, saying: 'It was absolutely impossible at that time to calculate with such a success (rank #8 in the British charts 1974), beecause there was no relative scale for such a kind of music', and: 'We feel confirmed that a kind of music which had been laughed at then has turned into a really serious part of music history today.' Some other ranks: 1. Kaftwerk: Autobahn 2. Can: Monster Movie 3. Trio: Trio ('Da da da') 4. Ton Steine Scherben: Keine Macht für niemand 5. Fehlfarben: Monarchie und Alltag 6. Nina Hagen Band: same 7. Neu!: same 8. Ideal: same 9. Can: Tago Mago 10. Udo Lindenberg: Alles klar auf der Andrea Doria ... 15. Kaftwerk: Trans Europa Express 22. Kaftwerk: Die Mensch-Maschine 25. Can: Ege Bamyasi 28. Kraftwerk: same 29. Faust: Faust 34. Kraftwerk: Computerwelt 35. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Kontakte 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive 44. Neu!: Neu 2 45. BAP: Für Usszeschnigge (Seems they have asked the Kraftwerk fanclub to act as jury... ;-) ) Greetings, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26081 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Whiteley, Steve Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26088 Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Victor Rek Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26105 Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Armin Theissen Wed 2/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:44 am Subject: please have a look hi everyone this is the list of items i need to (almost) complete my collection Compact Disc Singles Desert Train (Promo Cd) Cat Scan (Promo Cd) Goblins Club (US Promo CD on Sequel records) Heartbreakers (Virgin Records CD) 7 Inch Singles Monolight/Cherokee Lane 7' Monolight/Desert Dream 7' Monolight pt II/Coldwater Canyon pt II 7' Flashoint /Going West 7' Excerpts from Force Majeure 7' Cinnamon Road/Hyperborea 7' Excerpts from Ricochet/Same 7' Promo Extracts from Rubycon/Same 7' Promo Betrayal/Search 7' Grind/Grind 7' Grind/Betrayal 7' Grind/Impression of Sorcerer 7' Stratosfear/The Big Sleep in Search of Hades 7'(not the DJ Promo) Beach Theme/Burning Bar 7' Promo Lady Green Grass/Love of Mine 7' (The Ones) Love on a real train/Guido the killer pimp 7'' promo 12 Inch Singles Alexander Sq/Berlin Summer Nights/Alexander Sq. Lp Version 12' Flashpoint/Going West 12' if anyone can help please email me off list thanks in advance Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Quichotte' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:36 am Subject: OT - The House of Visual Trans Hi all, Does anybody have Paul Lawler's new composition The House of Visual Trans, as available on mp3.com, somewhere on a serwer in Europe. I have been trying to download it from mp3.com but I'm not getting anywhere - the transfer rate is too slow. Would much appreciate all guidance I can get at quichotte@p... Best regards Michael Sopot, Poland -- From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: OT - redshift? I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff off Napster that has a female vocalist: Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 I like it a lot. Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26077 Re: OT - redshift? Rainer Rutka Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26078 Re: OT - redshift? Joe Shoults Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26079 Re: OT - redshift? Gary Jenkins Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26080 Re: OT - redshift? Sean Montgomery Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26082 Re: OT - redshift? Synthhtnys@a... Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Joe Shoults wrote: > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 This is the original Redshift. A MUST-HAVE RECORD!!!! If you like 70ies TD - you'll love(!) the 2nd Restshift CD (and the first and third, too). You can get it by Groove (www.groove.nl)! > I like it a lot. :-)) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - redshift? nevermind. I just found lots of Splashdown and the SubMethod was definitley not what I thought it was! > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I > downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Re: OT - redshift? --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 > > I like it a lot. > > Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? Hi Joe certainly A midnight clear is from there album Ether not aware of the other tracks or use of vocals. Cheers Gary From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? In the case of the files with the word 'Splashdown', Redshift is the name of the album. Splashdown is the band. They have a Cocteau Twins-like kind of sound. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: RE:'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive my first rock poster, I need to get the CD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff off Napster that has a female vocalist: Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 I like it a lot. Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? *(?) I don't think so.... There's no female vocalist... AFAIK. Although now that I think of it they do have a new album coming out soon. This could be a new change. But I doubt it..... does it sound like Rubycon? ;-) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: RE: Broken Link...? nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't remember. Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at http://tadream.net/archives/ ? Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > I note you have 1990-1994... do you have any of the more > recent archives > from the UWP list, or weren't there any... I think I have > most of volume 15 > and 16 (not sure which dates they cover though....) > From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 12:46 am Subject: questions about touring information Hey there all. Just wanted to post a quick note about touring. I was told yesterday/today there is serious word of TD touring in the United States this coming SUMMER? Having been a huge huge fan of their music for years, this would be absolutely fabulous and amazing, BUT where is the best location/place to find the most updated tour information, including venues, etc? thanks for anyone's help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrock.musicpage.com AND TheTradingCircle@E... AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) MSN Messenger: seasonsend97@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26085 Re: questions about touring information Feldon Feldon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB 26086 Soundmill Navigator Steve Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26090 SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Pergamon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] questions about touring information Here, or www.tadream.de From: 'kayleigh' Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: 'Tangerine Dream List' CC: 'TangerineDream' Subject: [tadream] questions about touring information Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:46:33 -0500 Hey there all. Just wanted to post a quick note about touring. I was told yesterday/today there is serious word of TD touring in the United States this coming SUMMER? Having been a huge huge fan of their music for years, this would be absolutely fabulous and amazing, BUT where is the best location/place to find the most updated tour information, including venues, etc? thanks for anyone's help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrock.musicpage.com AND TheTradingCircle@E... AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) MSN Messenger: seasonsend97@h... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:02 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator I loved the official release, despite others' reservations about it, and recently heard the original version, which I also loved. But what I couldn't stand with the official version was the cover art! I was playing yesterday and came up with this image... http://www.craftman.co.uk/2001/1/sn.htm Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26090 SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Pergamon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Red Shift Red Shift's 'Ether' CD has two *absolutely* phenomenal tracks, 'A Midnight Clear' and 'Ether'! Those two tracks are just totally awesome!!! And coming in at over fifty minutes worth just on those two tracks too. Must have been one helluva sight to see Shreeve at war with and get the best of his big moog! Sorry, but 'Rubycon' can't even hold a candle imo. Not that it's bad, but very few can. But 'Pergamon' is one that does come to my mind though. Paul Lawler's 'Gather Darkness' CD has a very nice 1-2 punch in the tracks 'Dystopian Fictions' and 'Gather Darkness'. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 > I like it a lot. > Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? > > *(?) I don't think so.... There's no female vocalist... AFAIK. > Although now that I think of it they do have a new album coming out soon. > This could be a new change. > But I doubt it..... does it sound like Rubycon? ;-) > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26094 Re: Red Shift Marcel Engels Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... By the way, was there ever a concert played on the John Peel show to support the Phaedra tour? I heard a rumor. Vic From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Just when you think you have everything... ...along comes a white label promo 1967 single of 'Lady Greengrass/Love of mine' by THE ONES. The line-up included a young guitar player whose name was Edgar Froese.... :-) You can see my 3-day auction at the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411535140 Be there or be square ~lol~ Heiko From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:35 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Hello Steve Well I actually liked the official releasecover, but I really like your image. Nice work. Jan -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Steve [mailto:steve@c...] Sendt: 20. februar 2001 01:03 Til: tadream@yahoogroups.com Emne: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator I loved the official release, despite others' reservations about it, and recently heard the original version, which I also loved. But what I couldn't stand with the official version was the cover art! I was playing yesterday and came up with this image... http://www.craftman.co.uk/2001/1/sn.htm Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: Broken Link > nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't > remember. > > Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at > http://tadream.net/archives/ ? I have the complete archives of the tadream@u... mailing lists. They are rather monstrous, and the format is one Netscape mail folder per year. They can be read ok with a simple text editor, and imported into Outlook etc. , but would have to be split up into monthly chunks to fit the existing format. Anyone care, let me know. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26095 Re: Broken Link Robert Grabowsky Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB From: Glynn Naughton Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:52 pm Subject: Two TDs for the price of one Hello there, I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops _Star Trooper_. Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? Glynn BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... 'I'm a romantic adventurer And you're a reptile too. But it don't make no difference Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm Killed by death.' Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26093 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Richard Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB 26144 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Roger Hartopp Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB 26096 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Sean Montgomery Tue 2/20/2001 4 KB 26111 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Erik Sanborn Wed 2/21/2001 5 KB 26121 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Joe Shoults Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have >a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians >to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each >composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of >the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are >pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever >from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended >this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the >keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, >I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops >_Star Trooper_. > >Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are >so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a >traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely >interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it >hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for >drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature >no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. > >This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be >going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? Very much. It sounds very feasible. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOpKVhjBWmWbUzpzAEQLJDgCffNwSocVGSKs9ocHJqn0zGN3K5DwAoJFi uMwJ83GC0XRyZ09KgAJb7MGq =xMnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26144 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Roger Hartopp Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Shift > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > > Red Shift's 'Ether' CD has two *absolutely* phenomenal tracks, 'A Midnight > Clear' and 'Ether'! Those two tracks are just totally awesome!!! > And coming > in at over fifty minutes worth just on those two tracks too. Must > have been > one helluva sight to see Shreeve at war with and get the best of his big > moog! Sorry, but 'Rubycon' can't even hold a candle imo. Not that > it's bad, > but very few can. But 'Pergamon' is one that does come to my mind though. > Paul Lawler's 'Gather Darkness' CD has a very nice 1-2 punch in the tracks > 'Dystopian Fictions' and 'Gather Darkness'. I agree that RedShift's music is great to listen too. I enjoy it very much too and luckily I saw him/them at the Alfa Centauri festival. But for me Rubycon (and most other TD albums from that period) is something different...and Mark doesn't even comes close. I find RedShift's (live)music a bit too 'perfect', no really strange chords. As I said, I enjoy them both but I prefer let's say Encore over Ether any time. Now, if you said something like that about Node then it's a different story. They are (imo) the only ones (and maybe one or two others) who have captured the 70s feeling. But we're not only looking for 'that' feeling right? :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Broken Link You can still access all of the information from the tadream archives of cs.uwp.edu thru: ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/music/artists Hope this helps you find what you are looking for. THE HIGHLANDER At 11:05 AM 2/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >> nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't >> remember. >> >> Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at >> http://tadream.net/archives/ ? > >I have the complete archives of the tadream@u... mailing lists. >They are rather monstrous, and the format is one Netscape mail >folder per year. > >They can be read ok with a simple text editor, and imported into >Outlook etc. , but would have to be split up into monthly chunks >to fit the existing format. > >Anyone care, let me know. > >klaus From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one Glynn Naughton wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. I've suspected this for quite a while. Last week, I opined that the reason nothing that TD has done since the first Dream Mixes has had much of an impact on me is that Jerome has had to find some kind of common ground with Edgar, and this has led to compromise-laden music. The son is clearly preoccupied with being a dance floor maven (albeit about ten years too late to be considered 'cutting edge'), and the father's fascination with classical music is taking centre stage. Of course, there *is* common ground between the two camps. William Orbit found it last year on 'Pieces in a Modern Style'. The trance version of Barber's 'Adiago for Strings' kicked my ass soundly. But based on what Edgar did for 'Pictures at an Exhibition', 'Largo' and on Ambient Monkies, I suspect that he has something more like Tomita or Wendy Carlos in mind...and dude, that's so 1970s. And so is the title 'Starship Trooper'. I mean, far out man. Put on the Yes and spark up a doob. Mars Polaris was only partially successful at bridging the gap between the two of them...which I suspect is because they're each actually getting more orthodox in their thinking. I think the primary reason the TD name still exists at all is that it's a well known brand name in electronic music, and Jerome knows that he'd have a tough time attracting interest if he struck out on his own. The spotty attendance at his Ground Liftaz event was a good example of that. (If the posters had promised a 'Tangerine Dream' show, you can be sure it would have been a packed house.) Perhaps Edgar is just giving him a chance to develop an independent voice before handing the franchise over. To make TD a vital band again, one of the Froeses will have to go, and the survivor will have to bring in a couple of new collaborators. Either that, or the name should just be retired. They are diluting the value of their brand name by putting out so many inconsistent albums. You never know if it'll be techno-y or a bunch of slow synth washes and fake harpsichord sounds. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [OT] Lemmy > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' 'Only way to feel the noise is when it's good and loud, So good you can't believe it screaming with the crowd. Motorhead: Overkill To this day, the opening of 'The Chase is Better than the Catch' sends shivers down my spine. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26109 Re: [OT] Lemmy Brian Stewart Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26113 Re: [OT] Lemmy Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26115 Re: [OT] Lemmy Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26127 Re: [OT] Lemmy Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Okefenokee Dreams Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I really enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the chance to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find more like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:35 am Subject: Rubycon/Red Shift I agree with most of what has been said regarding these two releases over the last day or so. I was lucky enough to be at the Jodrell Bank concert from which a lot of 'Ether' is taken, and thought, as I would expect everyone present did, that they have a fantsastic sound. And I've always felt 'Rubycon' to be TD's finest LP from the mid-70s era. What I don't agree with is the constant need to compare one LP with another. Music is far too subjective an experience to ever say that one LP is better than another. Comparisons can be drawn, certainly, but definite conclusions which place one album above another in some imagined musical strata just seems somewhat pointless and needless. Just enjoy both albums for what they are and what they represent. - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. I am very tired. Mike On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller writes: > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > really > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > chance > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > more > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > Mike > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% 20my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. -Morgan From: Michael V Miller Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. I am very tired. Mike On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller writes: > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > really > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > chance > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > more > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > Mike > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% 20my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Hello All, He may be tired, but I am old and forgetful. Would some 'Kind Soul' (Sorry, couldn't resist) please direct me to a source where I might pick up a copy of this disc. Thanks in advance. Neal > [Original Message] > From: Feldon Feldon > To: > Date: 2/20/01 2:43:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I > don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. > > -Morgan > > From: Michael V Miller > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 > > Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. > > I am very tired. > > Mike > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller > writes: > > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > > really > > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > > chance > > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > > more > > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > > > Mike > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > > much, > > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > > Love > > of Christ. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% > 20my address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF > my address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:43 am Subject: re:okefenokee dreams CD This is the only place I've been able to find it: http://www.groove.nl I think I'll get one, too. mike np: bowie at the beeb on deck: road to ruin (ramones) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Hi Neal, Try Groove Unlimited, Synth Music Direct, Backroads Music or Eurock. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > Hello All, > > He may be tired, but I am old and forgetful. Would some 'Kind Soul' (Sorry, > couldn't resist) please direct me to a source where I might pick up a copy > of this disc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Neal > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Feldon Feldon > > To: > > Date: 2/20/01 2:43:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > > > I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I > > don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. > > > > -Morgan > > > > From: Michael V Miller > > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 > > > > Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. > > > > I am very tired. > > > > Mike > > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller > > writes: > > > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > > > really > > > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > > > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > > > chance > > > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > > > more > > > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > > > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > > > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > > > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > > > much, > > > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > > > Love > > > of Christ. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > > > List artists, is ready for distribution! 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Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Hi, this is a very interesting list. I'd like to see the full one. Always amazing is how Karlheinz Stockhausen makes it there. I'm a big admirer of Stockhausen, but what is he doing under german 'Rock'? In this context, having Stockhausen 32 positions under 'Trio' (which was mererly a NDW joke of the early 80s) is very very odd... Anyway, though I don't live in Germany anymore for 6 years, and peope think I have an irish accent (except the irish), it is becoming obvious to me that I'm still very very german, for I have or at least know and also mostly like all the records listed here. Nina Hagen and the Spliff Radio Show, Scorpion's Lovedrive, geez - those were the days.... ;-) cheers armin --- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hi gang, > > Germany's monthly paper 'musikexpress' (issue #2/2001, February) has > asked 'experts' (mostly journalists) and issued a poll of the 50 'best' > Germanrock records which 'made history'. Among them, on rank #32 (between > Die Fantastischen Vier: 'Die vierte Dimension' and Amon Düül II: 'Phallu > Dei'): TD's 'Phaedra'. > > The album is 'a milestone of electronic music, the founder of a new > genre', the magazine found out. 'For Tangerine Dream, this meant the > initial starting of a still lasting international carreer.' > > Besides the lines about the LP, the magazine printed a short (!) > interview with Edgar Froese, saying: 'It was absolutely impossible at that > time to calculate with such a success (rank #8 in the British charts 1974), > beecause there was no relative scale for such a kind of music', and: > 'We feel confirmed that a kind of music which had been laughed at then has > turned into a really serious part of music history today.' > > Some other ranks: > 1. Kaftwerk: Autobahn > 2. Can: Monster Movie > 3. Trio: Trio ('Da da da') > 4. Ton Steine Scherben: Keine Macht für niemand > 5. Fehlfarben: Monarchie und Alltag > 6. Nina Hagen Band: same > 7. Neu!: same > 8. Ideal: same > 9. Can: Tago Mago > 10. Udo Lindenberg: Alles klar auf der Andrea Doria > ... > 15. Kaftwerk: Trans Europa Express > 22. Kaftwerk: Die Mensch-Maschine > 25. Can: Ege Bamyasi > 28. Kraftwerk: same > 29. Faust: Faust > 34. Kraftwerk: Computerwelt > 35. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Kontakte > 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive > 44. Neu!: Neu 2 > 45. BAP: Für Usszeschnigge > > (Seems they have asked the Kraftwerk fanclub to act as jury... ;-) ) > > Greetings, > Peter From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:42 am Subject: Redshift any takers Sorry cannot get into this at all, got it because Mark Shreeve involved thought it might be sequences with a bit of melody at least, then again not a lover of any TD before Stratosfear so anybody looking for a copy I will gladly send it. Has anybody got Nemesis Sky Archeology I have just recieved it is excellent more my style. Cheers Gary NP. Redshift Ether (never mind stick to you Legion style Mark) From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:54 am Subject: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one Hello Glynn, I am 43 and love techno,drum'n'bass or breakbeats.( not all the time:)) the way TD does it is COOL. What is the different between 57 and 43 or 43 and 20. Age, It's all in your mind:-) Look what Klaus Schulze is doing: Trance, Opera, Ballet... I think that the combination of EF & JF is great, better than Froese, Franke & Hasslinger. ;-) > greetings Bert am a fan of Motorhead too. > ---------- > From: Glynn Naughton[SMTP:glynnn@o...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:52 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' > Subject: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one > > equally, I find it > hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for > drum'n'bass or breakbeats. > > > Glynn > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26108 for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) Rainer Rutka Wed 2/21/2001 3 KB 26120 SV: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for th Pergamon Wed 2/21/2001 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:59 am Subject: for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 bert.hulshoff@d... wrote: > am a fan of Motorhead too. Me, too! I met Lemmy in a Vienna hotel some years ago and drank some beer with him. He was very pleased, I own approx. 70% of all his records and gave me a concert-ticket for the next evening. He is a very nice guy and very friendly and natural (private). Do you know, he's spending money for a children-hospital in ... (don't remember)? Yes: Lemmy the Animal! Unfortunately the concert was only 15 minutes long because Lemmy was ill (not because of the beer I hope ). I saw Motoerhead twice. OK, 'bit too loud but: YEAAAAAA!!!! I'm approx. 40 but that doesn't matter :-)))) > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their... > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' Motoerhaed rules! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy Me too! Motorhead & Lemmy-era Hawkwind are two of my other favourite bands. One of the first concerts I ever attended was on the 'Bomber' tour. An outstanding performance in all ways, it is still one one of the shows that I judge all others by. Very few have equalled or exceeded it. None have been quite as loud either! I've seen them several times since but the line-up with Eddie & Philthy was, to me, the best by a long way. A few weeks ago I read that Lemmy was seriously ill & hospitalised. Does anyone know if he is recovering? Very Best Brian >BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums >some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the >classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 802 Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one Sean Montgomery said: >>> I think the primary reason the TD name still exists at all is that it's a well known brand name in electronic music, and Jerome knows that he'd have a tough time attracting interest if he struck out on his own. The spotty attendance at his Ground Liftaz event was a good example of that. (If the posters had promised a 'Tangerine Dream' show, you can be sure it would have been a packed house.) Perhaps Edgar is just giving him a chance to develop an independent voice before handing the franchise over. >>> To make TD a vital band again, one of the Froeses will have to go, and the survivor will have to bring in a couple of new collaborators. Either that, or the name should just be retired. They are diluting the value of their brand name by putting out so many inconsistent albums. You never know if it'll be techno-y or a bunch of slow synth washes and fake harpsichord sounds. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Yes! New TD memebers. I've been thinking about this since I've heard a bunch of TD solo albums: JS's Wuivend Riet (one of the very best TD solo albums), Baumann's Transharmonic Nights (very nice, with some brilliant moments), and Franke's Klemania (very nice too). Why does it seem (to many of us, to me, at least) that the best TD music ended with Franke's departure? Maybe it's because TD had became, and have been since, two people. I think what TD needs is a third *creative member*, still the Johannes substitute we've been waiting for since Le Parc. GJ after playing a few tracks from Wuivend From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one Hi Glynn, Actually that recent post was from me, responding to Steven's post re: Seven Letters from Tibet. I tend to lurk these days so it doesn't surprise me if people don't remember me. :-) I think your speculation is quite accurate. While I appreciate the variety and apparent eclecticism of TD, I too sense that recent TD albums are being made by mostly one musician. This is okay for the short term but may not work well in the long term. The TD name still has meaning to people but that meaning may get diluted, confused or just plain reduced if people don't know what 'flavor' of TD the next album will be. Is it: techno TD ? new age TD ? neo-classical TD ? hip-hop TD ? TD ? Too much eclecticism may feel rather schizophrenic. In the long term, I think it will be necessary for the two musicians to go their own ways. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it will be a marketing challenge for whoever is not carrying the TD name. Here's a thought: Edgar gives the keys to TD over to Jerome. Jerome takes TD in the direction he is currently headed, for better or for worse. Edgar does then some solo albums with select guest musicians helping him out. Eventually he asks Johannes to collaborate with him again. TD fans worldwide shout, 'Woo-hoo!' and there is much rejoicing. I can dream, can't I? :-) Regards, Erik > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:52:14 -0000 > From: Glynn Naughton > >Hello there, > >I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have >a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians >to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each >composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of >the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are >pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever >from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended >this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the >keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, >I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops >_Star Trooper_. > >Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are >so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a >traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely >interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it >hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for >drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature >no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. > >This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be >going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? > >Glynn From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 5:14 am Subject: OT: Re BOWIE AT THE BEEB On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:43:05 -0500 (EST) spawnofcthulhu@w... writes: >np: bowie at the beeb That CD pisses me off immensely. They cut the best track that should have been on there. The version of 'Andy Warhol' with lead vocals by Dana Gillespie! Grrrrr. :( I have it on a bootleg LP with a green cover and an image of David holding a gun from THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH. Is this track on a CD with decent sound, might you know??? Oh, and re TD, okefenokee dreams is real good. While you're at it, order the second Arcane CD (the first is sorta blah), and get anything from Air Sculpture except for their first (IMPOSSIBLE GEOMETRIES). -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy First three albums were great. I like the Hawkwind originals of the tracks on the first album better though, Motorhead and The Watcher. There might have been others but I forget and the album is in the loft. > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) > Hello everyone, > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? > > So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36860 Underground VCD news by Rainer ! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 10/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy One of the first concerts I ever attended was on the 'Bomber' tour. Yeah, me too and Hawkwind the same year. First gig was Dream though, in March 78. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) Oh yeah, and I'm forty in August. Phil. > > I'm approx. 40 but that doesn't matter :-)))) > > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their... > > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > Motoerhaed rules! From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush ***Extremely late reply, but anyhow, I´m going too with a friend of mine; > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > >Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > >David Foster (UK) > >Duncan McKee (UK) > >Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > >Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > >Glynn Naughton (France) > >Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > >Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > >Marion (UK) > >Matthew Stringer (UK) > >Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > >Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > >Paul Fellows (France) > >Rainer Rutka (Germany) > >Ray (UK) > >Roger Hartopp (Poland) ***Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) ----------------- cu there! Bye Patrik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26122 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? Totta From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Either there's a baby in the audience, or it's samples by EF of JF. How interesting. -Morgan P.S. Safe bet we can remove the Dreamwatchers Tales banner now? From: 'Phil Wingfield' > Hello everyone, > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? > > So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: SV: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one At last!!!!. I can only agree with you. Jan I am 43 and love techno,drum'n'bass or breakbeats.( not all the time:)) the way TD does it is COOL. What is the different between 57 and 43 or 43 and 20. Age, It's all in your mind:-) Look what Klaus Schulze is doing: Trance, Opera, Ballet... I think that the combination of EF & JF is great, better than Froese, Franke & Hasslinger. ;-) > greetings Bert am a fan of Motorhead too. > ---------- > From: Glynn Naughton[SMTP:glynnn@o...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:52 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' > Subject: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one > > equally, I find it > hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for > drum'n'bass or breakbeats. > > > Glynn > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Two TDs for the price of one that doesn't sound too far-fetched, but Ed's been in this genre for a while now. Makes me think he is not exactly looking to depart from the current direction. Maybe Jerome is not necessarily the only one pushing in that direction. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Sanborn [mailto:esanborn@n...] > Here's a thought: > Edgar gives the keys to TD over to Jerome. Jerome takes TD in > the direction > he is currently headed, for better or for worse. > Edgar does then some solo albums with select guest musicians > helping him > out. Eventually he asks Johannes to collaborate with him > again. TD fans > worldwide shout, 'Woo-hoo!' and there is much rejoicing. > > I can dream, can't I? :-) > From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush At 22:15 21.02.01 +0100, you wrote: >***Extremely late reply, but anyhow, I´m going too with a friend of mine; > > > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: He he, I really hope you're meaning late in the evening and not late in relation to close to the concert! Looking forward to seeing you! Best Regards Geir (so drunk I missed the correct key half the time!!!!) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Phil Wingfield wrote: > > > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (...) > Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? Probably not as bored as that crying baby :-) Antonio Nunes From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:00 am Subject: re: OT: Bowie at the Beeb The Rise and Rise of Ziggy Stardust & Kiss the Viper's Fang both have the DG version of Andy Warhol. The Rise And Rise oF Ziggy Stardust http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/7446/BBC/BBC.htm Kiss The Vipers Fang http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/dylan/811/discography/discs/disc_0025.htm mike np: passion (peter gabriel) From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:05 am Subject: Re: Motorhead <> I dig a lot of the Motorhead stuff. Unlike most folks, though, I prefer the mid 80's stuff, with Wurzel and Phillip Campbell on guitars and either Pete Gill (I think that's the name of the drummer on Orgasmatron) or Philthy Animal Taylor on drums. No Sleep At All is a cool live album. I also like the No Remorse comp. I always thought Eat The Rich was a cool song. What do you think of the album they did with Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've always been curious about that one (being a big fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26128 Re: Motorhead Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26143 Re: Motorhead John McIntyre Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:07 am Subject: Re: Star Trooper <> Or he might have swiped the title from the same place that Jon Anderson stole it from, the Robert Heinlein novel Starship Troopers (yes, the one that inspired a gawdawful 'sci-fi' flick a couple years back). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy Yeah, me too and Hawkwind the same year. First gig was Dream though, in March 78. ----- I tried very hard to get to see TD about then but as it meant travelling my folks put the kybosh on that jaunt. Funny, they seemed not to mind my going to home gigs with the local Angels & other such colourful people. I still have the badge that a pal who did go brought back for me. The next time TD played in my vicinity it was the same day as my most important school leaving exam & after that I had the difficult choice between finally 'connecting' with a new girlfriend or going to see TD. I should have chosen TD, she didnt last too long! Ever since I have missed a number of TD shows all round the world by a whisker. Until now! Best Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Motorhead What do you think of the album they did with Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've always been curious about that one (being a big fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). ---- I think that was Iron-Fist? It was quite good but to me lacked the edge of the real Motorhead. I saw them then too & again they were not the same band. A pity because Lizzy is for me another much-loved band from those days. I saw (& indeed met) them often around that time. They played several one-off/warm-up gigs in a local small nightclub - fantastic atmosphere! Just to keep this totally OT someone sent me this link, surreal! http://user.tninet.se/~prv247p/hatt/hatten.swf Can any of the Scandinavian members tell me what the hell is going on? Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD Hi, Brian! >have the badge that a pal who did go brought back for me. The next time TD >played in my vicinity it was the same day as my most important school >leaving exam & after that I had the difficult choice between finally >'connecting' with a new girlfriend or going to see TD. I should have chosen >TD, she didnt last too long! Ever since I have missed a number of TD shows You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26130 Re: Missed TD Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26131 Re: Missed TD Utch Entel Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26132 Re: Missed TD Nick Adams Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26133 Re: Missed TD Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26137 Missed TD olle.rundgren@s... Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB 26138 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB 26139 Re: Missed TD Utch Entel Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB 26140 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 4 KB 26146 Re: Missed TD Greg Sun 2/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! ...Utch ----------- Nah! She couldnt stand them. Roy Harper & Stephen Stills were more her sort of thing. Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD >>You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go >>see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! >Nah! > >She couldnt stand them. Roy Harper & Stephen Stills were more her sort of >thing. She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD > She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > > ...Utch Prepare to be Lonely the rest of your life then ;-) Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't TD! ---------------- Quite! I eventually found one who did. The result was ten years on an emotional rollercoaster for me! I only recently closed the door finally on that one - She left with most of my TD CDs (But not the vinyls thankfully) May they all bronze quickly! Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud wrote: He he, I really hope you're meaning late in the evening and not late in relation to close to the concert! Looking forward to seeing you! Best Regards Geir (so drunk I missed the correct key half the time!!!!) Spelling and granatical errors left in to tickle your mind> ------------- Hey Geir and all you other Shepherds, nah I guess we will be there early, it´s always fun to meet TD-people and chat about concerts and stuff. Helt akkurat Geir, vi ses i London! Ha de! Patrik, Stockholm (arctic conditions here, f*cking cold that is!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26135 Pergamon noise Roy Teale Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Roy Teale' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 12:46 pm Subject: Pergamon noise I haven't seen this discussed before: My copy of Pergamon (CAROL CD 1 release) has some sort of noise at certain places in the tracks. I've listed a few here: track 1 :29 - pop track 2 1:09 - static 1:32 - static 2:25 - static 2:42 - static There are more on track 2, but I got tired of counting. I'm listening to this on headphones. At first I thought my stereo was distorting, but now I don't think so. So, is it just my copy, or do all copies of Pergamon have these anomalies? Roy From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Pergamon noise Hi, Roy! >I haven't seen this discussed before: My copy of Pergamon (CAROL CD 1 >release) has some sort of noise at certain places in the tracks. I've >listed a few here: >track 1 :29 - pop >track 2 1:09 - static > 1:32 - static > 2:25 - static > 2:42 - static > >There are more on track 2, but I got tired of counting. I'm listening to >this on headphones. At first I thought my stereo was distorting, but now I >don't think so. > >So, is it just my copy, or do all copies of Pergamon have these anomalies? Yes... ...my copy of Pergamon also has these noise anomalies. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:56 pm Subject: Missed TD >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! >...Utch Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman for eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine together. My wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and even if I like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after the first letter. Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say too much. A good weekend to all! /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26138 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Missed TD Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I can listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other such group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. Dan --- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > > >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > > >...Utch > > Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman > for > eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine > together. My > wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well > unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and > even if I > like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after > the > first letter. > Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say > too > much. > > A good weekend to all! > /Olle > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD Hi, Olle and Dan! The statement was made in jest... ...I have been married to the same woman for over 10 years, and, of course, it isn't necessary for your spouse to TD. The sex comment was also in jest. I was hoping to put a smile on a face or two! I hope I didn't offend anyone! ...Utch On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:16:48 -0800 (PST), Dan Oakley wrote: >Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I can >listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other such >group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any >relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. > >Dan > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a >> >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't >> >> >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! >> >> >...Utch >> >> Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman >> for >> eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine >> together. My >> wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well >> unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and >> even if I >> like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after >> the >> first letter. >> Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say >> too >> much. >> >> A good weekend to all! >> /Olle --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26140 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 4 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD Utch, I'm one of those people that nobody at work teases much, mostly because I don't recognize it for what it is most of the time. No offense taken. Dan --- Utch Entel wrote: > Hi, Olle and Dan! > > The statement was made in jest... ...I have been married to the > same > woman for over 10 years, and, of course, it isn't necessary for > your > spouse to TD. The sex comment was also in jest. I was > hoping > to put a smile on a face or two! > > I hope I didn't offend anyone! > > ...Utch > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:16:48 -0800 (PST), Dan Oakley wrote: > > >Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I > can > >listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other > such > >group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any > >relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. > > > >Dan > > > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >> >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > >> >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > >> > >> >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > >> > >> >...Utch > >> > >> Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same > woman > >> for > >> eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine > >> together. My > >> wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well > >> unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and > >> even if I > >> like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink > after > >> the > >> first letter. > >> Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not > say > >> too > >> much. > >> > >> A good weekend to all! > >> /Olle > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Feb 24, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Two collectable items I have just placed these two items on e-bay, in case any of you are interested in bidding for either of them Fully signed Tournado postcard from UK tour 1997 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412106386 1980-81 World Tour orange and black sew-on patch http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412103378 - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: More collectable items Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few collectable items on their second hand list, including: Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26193 Re: More collectable items herold.u@t... Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Motorhead Chris Richards wrote: > What do you think of the album they did with > Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the > one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've > always been curious about that one (being a big > fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). It's not bad, but the best thing about it is the cartoon about Brian's audition with the band. That's with my vinyl LP; don't know if it made it to the CD booklet. Would be awfully small if it did. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one 'Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever from various albums)...' This has to lead to a new game. How about speculating who really composed each track? The game was kind of given away when TD finally released the TDI version of The Keep, with most tracks composed by Froese alone, with work jointly composed with Johannes Schmoelling and just two tracks credited with Chris Franke (Edgar deciding to omit the obviously Franke composed tracks for whatever his reasons). I think working separately on tracks is more apparent on the soundtrack albums. Let's start with 'Thief'. Who wrote what? Roger Hartopp From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Missed TD Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate ( and no, not talking of experience :o) Poul >Don't base any relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26151 Very off-topic!!!!! Pergamon Tue 2/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Missed TD I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some songs to the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. sleeping.. etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of rarities and concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. I'll drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while potters are throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing sessions. As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to play.. but hey some women are not so open minded. I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for such acts, especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and Rubycon) and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra seems like the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems like a flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the oceans. Greg H. > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > Poul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26147 Re: Missed TD Gary Jenkins Sun 2/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Re: Missed TD --- In tadream@y..., 'Greg' wrote: NO hope here if I put TD on just before the act my sexlife would probably come to an abrupt end. > I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some songs to > the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. sleeping.. > etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of rarities and > concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. I'll > drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while potters are > throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing sessions. > > As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to play.. but > hey some women are not so open minded. > > I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for such acts, > especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and Rubycon) > and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra seems like > the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems like a > flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the oceans. > > Greg H. > > > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) > Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate > ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > > > Poul From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Was Missed TD Back to the subject of wives again, huh? If I had a wife or a woman who could relate to my electronic / TD music, life would be so much brighter for me. It's been somewhat hard for me to find other people, let alone a woman, here where I live who can relate to my music living in this small country hick town :-( Believe me, I've tried to make love to my wife [Every which way :-)] with TD's music, but I've had to endure the moans and groans of complaining, which hardly makes it worthwhile. My music is a big part of who I am these days, just a simple fact. Maybe some of us should be like, was it Klaus?, who has met and married women whom he has met at TD concerts. It all comes back to compatability. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Missed TD > --- In tadream@y..., 'Greg' wrote: > > NO hope here if I put TD on just before the act my sexlife would > probably come to an abrupt end. > > > > > > I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some > songs to > > the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. > sleeping.. > > etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of > rarities and > > concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. > I'll > > drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while > potters are > > throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing > sessions. > > > > As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to > play.. but > > hey some women are not so open minded. > > > > I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for > such acts, > > especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and > Rubycon) > > and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra > seems like > > the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems > like a > > flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the > oceans. > > > > Greg H. > > > > > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an > experience :o) > > Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit > unfortunate > > ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > > > > > Poul > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 12:20 pm Subject: Test Sorry Guys, Just a test of my e-mail system. 4 e-mails from both lists all weekend? Must be my e-mail system again. Neal 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:10 am Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Hi! Just a question to all the TD experts outside (I am not an expert!): Today I got the record 'Waiter On The Dance', TD Live in Manchester 1976. But it's not a vinyl record. It's an azetate! I listened to the record and it's really TD onto it. My question is: Is this a fake or was/is such an azetate really existing? Is it rare or shall I put it to the garbagge? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: Very off-topic!!!!! Hello all I have recently bought my own domaine and wishes to make a site in flash. I have made almost the entire page/site but need some finishing touches that I can't figure out how to do. I am unexperienced in flash, so I need a little help in finishing the site. I have tried contacting professional webdesigners, but they charge an amount of money that I don't even want to mention here. I fear that you'll pass out or worse. Does anyone here on this list work with flash and are willing to help me??????? Thanks in advance Jan From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: Testing Hey there all. Just wanted to send this as a test. I got SIX messages in the last four days, and since I'd moved to a new address, wanted to find out if this worked. Anyone? dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26153 Re: Testing j.gordon Tue 2/27/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Testing yeah, it just seems like either: a) the list is going through a heavy dry spell or b) the yahoogroups server is eatin' up the mails... there have been enough test mails that the former seems more likely to me... j.gordon --- winnie the pooh wrote: > Hey there all. Just wanted to send this as a test. I got SIX messages in the > last four days, and since I'd moved to a new address, wanted to find out if > this worked. > > Anyone? > > dan > > > > Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: [tadream] Dry Spell I am thinking of a little project, and it depends on how many people out there have many or all of TD's official releases, but have heard few or no TD concerts. If you feel this applies to you, please e-mail me off-list. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hi there I hope you enjoy the DWT. If so, what do you think about a vol 2 ? I would like to create a new DWT at the end of this year. Discussion now is open Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26156 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES j.gordon Wed 2/28/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES sounds good to me... i remember seeing a few 'i wish i'd submitted a better tune' mails pop through here... well, here's everyone's chance... sounds great... if the prerelease disc is any indication, DWT is going to be kickin'... j.gordon --- Yannick EDOM wrote: > Hi there > > I hope you enjoy the DWT. > If so, what do you think about a vol 2 ? > > I would like to create a new DWT at the end of this year. > > Discussion now is open > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi Gang, only wanted to say that I raised enough money to attend the Shepherds Bush gig in May :-D See you all there, and it's great to get the chance to meet some of you nice people on the list in person, something I always wanted to do since I joined the Tadream lists. Btw, I will of course wear my old Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia) again....GABBA GABBA HEY! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26158 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Synthhtnys@a... Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB 26159 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Heiko Heerssen Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB 26161 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! David Foster Wed 2/28/2001 3 KB 26178 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Joe Shoults Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Btw, I will of course wear my old Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia) again....GABBA GABBA HEY! Heiko *AH! A Ramones fan Have you seen this band that does the songs of ABBA in the style of the Ramones? They're called GABBA!... No I did not just make that up. They really exist. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Synthhtnys@a... schrieb: > *AH! A Ramones fan Have you seen this band that does the songs of ABBA in > the style of the Ramones? They're called GABBA!... > No I did not just make that up. They really exist. No, I haven't. But it makes sense, as I think that both ABBA and the Ramones wrote great pop songs (don't you dare to laugh ;-) Heiko From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi all, If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) 35 people already... Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26190 Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Paul Fellows Thu 3/1/2001 7 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi all, If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) 35 people already... Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) cheers Paul Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: Finally!! Hello everyone:) I finally found time to pull away from my first love(film scores,usually of the orchestral variety:) and am SO happy to have found a TD group(my second love:) I only wanted to introduce myself, and look forward to some great conversation, and info, since TD has always been a bit of an enigma to me, although I own almost all of their commercial albums. All the best, Sean Adams Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26164 Re: Finally!! Joe Shoults Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Gert Jalass' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hmm, drink if it's non-alc only ;-) They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26166 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Conrad Gibbons Thu 3/1/2001 6 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Finally!! welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: ohmss76@a... [mailto:ohmss76@a...] > > I only wanted to introduce myself, and look forward to some > great conversation, and info, since TD has always been a bit > of an enigma to me, although I own almost all of their > commercial albums. > > All the best, > Sean Adams > From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:43 am Subject: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Hello, > From: Rainer Rutka > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > ... > Today I got the record 'Waiter On The Dance', TD Live in Manchester 1976. > But it's not a vinyl record. > It's an azetate! > I listened to the record and it's really TD onto it. > > My question is: Is this a fake or was/is such an azetate really existing? > Is it rare or shall I put it to the garbagge? unfortunately, this is obviously a fake. The alleged 'Waiters on the dance' vinyl LP does not exist, thus it would not have made any sense to produce acetates. There are machines to 'press' records with an edition of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. These records look like acetates, and probably the alleged 'Waiters on the dance' has been produced this way by transferring a tape record to vinyl. Nobody has ever heard of a prrof that such a LP does exist until a so-called 'acetate' has been auctioned by a dealer in Germany in March 1998, and no one has heard of it again since then. Cheers, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26170 Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Rainer Rutka Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi everyone!!!!! Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) Regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hmm, drink if it's non-alc only ;-) They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! 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To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 2:42 am Subject: Latest and Greatest Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, since I exchanged it for... Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces from WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit discouraged to exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track on Logos Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as everyone should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, by the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate from, its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of these pieces:):):) Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on here for me to begin! Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. And that was it! Any thoughts? All the best, Sean A Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26169 Re: Latest and Greatest Feldon Feldon Thu 3/1/2001 5 KB 26182 Re: Latest and Greatest Michael V Miller Thu 3/1/2001 4 KB 26184 Re: Latest and Greatest Sean Montgomery Thu 3/1/2001 6 KB 26217 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 5 KB 26219 Re: Latest and Greatest j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26222 Re: Latest and Greatest Feldon Feldon Fri 3/2/2001 5 KB 26224 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26225 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26234 Re: Latest and Greatest Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:19 am Subject: Going Shopping For those of us poor souls that will not be able to see the TD concert in the UK in May, are there any 'Kind Souls' that ARE going that might be willing to do a little shopping? We/I can only assume that there will be some little tidbit, or prerelease of something sold at the concert. Maybe a single that will only be available at the show and not on the regular market? Anyone willing to help, I would be willing to send a months pay, in advance, for the help. ('Honest honey, we only get paid every OTHER month at work.') Neal > [Original Message] > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Date: 2/28/01 2:07:10 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > >Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that >there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is entirely a studio creation). >Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces from >WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit discouraged >to >exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track on Logos >Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as everyone >should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( Edgar Froese (creator of Tangerine Dream and the only one left of the old guard) seems to have no desire to release concerts as-is. But rather to try to 'be revolutionary' and add much new music on top. I can't help but feel that he is embarassed by the old music which we love. So as you note, he butchered Logos, and removed all trace of the nice guitar work in the last 8 minutes (which was originally 12 minutes) and tacked on a fake ending. His changes to Sohoman are completely out of tune, out of time, and don't fit at all. >TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I >was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, >by >the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE >BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate >from, >its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of >these >pieces:):):) That's exactly what we hoped for, but it turned out to be a lot of 1990's Tangerine Dream noodlings in the key of Miracle Mile and Melrose-era albums. >Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on >here for me to begin! If there is one CD in the last few years that Edgar has been nice enough to let out the door only half-'doctored', this is it. Tracks 1, 2, 3, 10, and a couple others are priceless. >Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by >an >old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. -Morgan Sorry if my e-mail sounds negative. The last few years have been hard for TD fans who want the old concerts (there are well over 100 hours of unique material [different enough from the albums] to warrant releasing) and keep getting these fluffed up mislabeled CDs. I think the only people buying these CDs like Sohoman and Soundmill are people who haven't been warned ahead of time. :( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - On 28 Feb 2001 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > There are machines to 'press' records with an edition > of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. But if it's only one copy existing - it's rare, too :-) The soundquality is very good so it's a collictors item . Thank you for your infos BTW... Rainer I'll put some pictures from the disk onto my page during next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Original TD items for trade Hi there after checking my TD collection, i found three extra items : Ultima Thule 7' - reissue. L'affaire walraff (original french EMI CD) Legend (original US casette from MCA) if someone is intersted, it's only for trade. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one rest (agreed Frank?). Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 Mars Polaris Oasis Quinoa+ Rockoon Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet Timesquare Tournado Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) Zoning$ Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) #Not the Australian version +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') @Release with 'Story of the Brave' %Release with 'Quasar' **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this period, even it is by Edgar Froese All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 Mars Polaris 2 The Dream Mixes 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 4 Tournado 5 Oasis This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- consuming! Over to you! Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26173 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? bert.hulshoff@d... Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB 26174 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26175 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Peter Ravn Thu 3/1/2001 5 KB 26176 Eddy & Jerry List j.gordon Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26177 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26185 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Dan Oakley Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB 26179 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Utch Entel Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26180 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Brian Stewart Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26181 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Sean Montgomery Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's mine 1 Mars Polaris 2 Timesquares 3 What a blast! 4 Goblin's Club 5 Trans Siberia Bert I love this kind of Charts ;) > ---------- > From: gmroger@p...[SMTP:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 13:43 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH%2 > 0my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF m > y address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? My top 5: 1.) Timesquare - Dream mixes 2 2.) Mars Polaris 3.) Oasis 4.) Seven letters from Tibet 5.) Goblins club Heiko From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi; My top five: 1)What A Blast 2)Mars Polaris 3)Oasis 4 )Dream Mixes 1 5) Transiberia Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > Hi, > > As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- > activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. > > Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' > Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as > regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too > many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and > mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one > rest (agreed Frank?). > > Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of > 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums > by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. > > So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine > Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? > To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: > > Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* > Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China > Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 > Mars Polaris Oasis > Quinoa+ Rockoon > Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet > Timesquare Tournado > Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ > 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% > Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) > Zoning$ > > Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) > #Not the Australian version > +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') > @Release with 'Story of the Brave' > %Release with 'Quasar' > **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period > $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this > period, even it is by Edgar Froese > > All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these > versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. > Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number > two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top > fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three > points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or > until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll > get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:10 pm Subject: [tadream] Eddy & Jerry List blah... strangely, i've begun developing a distaste for this era, where before i really liked most of it... it might have something to do with the influx of older material that i consider to be notches above... the more good quality stuff i get, the less the mediocre stuff stands up... sigh... no, i'm not trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-re(at infinitum) open this thread, nor be a flame-magnet... just ruminating as this survey pops up... but here's the list: 1. Oasis 2. Quinoa 3. Goblin's Club 4. Valentine's Wheels 5. Turn of the Tides good luck, roger... i'm interested to see how many people respond... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Rolf Elfström Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1. Mars Polaris 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet 3. The Dream Mixes 4. Timesquare 5. The Great Wall of China Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26185 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Dan Oakley Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Paul- I bet if you called the bar they'd be happy to accomodate you. Maybe they will extend Happy Hour prices to your party for before and after the show? I'd ask for it. I've done this kind of thing before and a 35-person party is a great boost for a bar (depending on the type- unless it's the kind that is always packed anyway). Bringing 35 patrons means you have a little buying power. Assume the bar would rather you go there than go across the street. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get > in touch with > > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or > something :-) > > > > 35 people already... > From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 The Dream Mixes 2 220 Volt 3 Oasis 4 What A Blast 5 Quinoa ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi Here are my five favourite Edgar & Jerome albums. -- Mars Polaris Timesquare Valentine Wheels The Great Wall of China Rockoon -- Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Based on the amount to playing time that they've received, and my current willingness to still play them: 1. The Dream Mixes 2. 220 Volt 3. Quinoa 4. Oasis 5. Mars Polaris Sadly, this wasn't a hard decision at all. The only other album I considered including was Rockoon, which I liked at the time of its release but which seems overly cheesy to me now...and its best track - Touchwood - appears in an even better version on Dream Mixes. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Michael V Miller Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Hi, Here is my take on the titles you mentioned. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:42:24 EST ohmss76@a... writes: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, > and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... > > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact > that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it > someday, I love Soundmill Navigator it is in my top 5 favorite TD CDs. As far as I can tell my copy does not have that sound people have been talking about. I have never heard the original concert so I was not biased when listening to it. I love it. I would be interested in hearing the untouched version but I have no way of doing that. > since I exchanged it for... > Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces > from > WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit > discouraged to > exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track > on Logos > Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as > everyone > should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( I haven't listen to this one too much. I like it but I don't know it too well yet. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came > from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was > hoping, by > the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from > STRANGE > BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues > originate from, > its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many > of these > pieces:):):) I don't have this one so no comment. :-) > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good > stuff on > here for me to begin! Excellent cd. I love this one. I love their older stuff. > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was > eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) My favorite CD of theirs. Haven't heard quite like it again. Especially Part II. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts > with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up > to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. I like Poland a lot. There are some parts that aren't fully exciting but I like it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums (can't come up with 5): 1 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 2 Mars Polaris 3 The Dream Mixes 4 The Great Wall of China -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Morgan already made most of the points that I was going to make about these titles, but it may be helpful if you see similar complaints echoed by more than one fan. > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, > since I exchanged it for... As Morgan pointed out, this 'skip' was a tape flaw on the original recording, and rather than try to remove it, Edgar or whoever was at the TDI controls here just sampled the defect and added it throughout the entire piece, for the sake of 'consistency'. Edgar's insistence upon adding sounds and compositional preferences from the year 2001 on top of music recorded 25 years earlier also results in a mis-matched Frankstein's monster, 9 times out of 10. Furthermore, it ruins the historical relevance of the recordings, and dismisses the contributions of past members of the band. PLUS, in some cases (Sohoman, the 'I-Box'), parts of these 'live' shows are clearly taken right from studio master tapes, a fact which becomes obvious once you've heard actual audience recordings. Of course, most TD fans won't get to hear these recordings, so the band figures that they can get away with it. And I suppose some fans like what the band is doing with these shows, and their willingness to buy the CDs ensures that we'll get more of the same in the future. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? The Hollywood Years releases are a perfect example of 'buyer beware'. When they were announced on the TDI website back in 1998, I was very excited. Here, I suspected, we'd finally get some of the unreleased music that TD composed for 'Hollywood' back in the 80s. I was so excited that I ordered the albums without asking too many questions. Questions like: 'who are the composers of these tracks?', and 'what movies are these songs from, anyway?' This would be useful information to have, don't you think? I mean, not every TD fan likes everything TD has done over the course of the band's 30 year history. And you'd think that the band would give potential buyers a bit of information that would help them to decide if this music was from an TD era that they're partial to. But no. No info at all, just track titles. And so, it's my own fault that I shelled out 20 bucks American for each of these discs, only to find that it all sounded like pieces left off of Tyranny of Beauty for being 'too weak'. It's all Edgar and Jerome, all the time, even though the only movie soundtrack they've released is 'Zoning' (I'm not including Oasis, What a Blast, or Jim and Pablo). And they can justify this by saying, 'oh, I wrote Propeller Beach after watching Apocalypse Now last weekend. It was 'an imaginary soundtrack, man'. Now, I know that a couple of the tracks here really were from movies...someone mentioned Legend, for instance. But most of it has been so heavilly overdubbed that it all just becomes another standard 90s TD album. Anyway, the band is making things easier for fans unsure about what they'll be getting in a new TDI release, in that they're just overdubbing *everything*. This is an attempt to make everything they've even composed sound like their current work, because since Edgar sees himself as the world leader in electronic music innovation, he must protect his street cred by making all of TDs crappy old stuff 'innovative', like their new stuff...right? So anyway, if you *like* their current sound, you can feel free to buy everything TDI puts out, content with the knowledge that you'll enjoy it. > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on > here for me to begin! This was the only TDI release of recent years that I really enjoyed, because they left most of the tracks alone! Now, was that really so hard to do? > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) One of TD's finest moments. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. There is a lot of meandering bits on Poland, but what's good on that album is *really* good. Side One is right up there with Tangram Part One and Ricochet Part 2 in my list of TDs best long compositions. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Dan Oakley Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1)Mars Polaris 2) Melrose 3) Stratosfear 4) Optical Race Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a stirring in my soul! Dan --- Rolf Elfström wrote: > 1. Mars Polaris > 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 3. The Dream Mixes > 4. Timesquare > 5. The Great Wall of China > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Hi all here is my top 5 1.Mars Polaris 2.Goblin's Club 3.Oasis 4.Dream Mixes 5.Timesquare DM 2 Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26187 Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Joe Shoults Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26188 Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show James E. Jacoby Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show > 1.Goblin's Club > 2.Oasis > 3.Mars Polaris > 4.Ambient Monkeys > 5.Dream Mixes From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show My top 5 Edgar & Jerome albums: 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Dream Mixes 4) 220 Volt Live 5) Great Wall of China James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hey Dreamwatchers, Thanks to all those who made this happen. This one of the faster trees I've participated in. The music is great, I love the way each song blends into the next. Its amazing that TD has inspired and attracted so many creative artists. I am not able to list my favorites yet as some of the songs have become more intimate to me the more I listen. I'm looking forward to spending more time with this collection. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Oh God no, I feel awkward enough wearing a 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt! Paul ---------- >De : 'Conrad Gibbons' >À : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 2:47 > > Hi everyone!!!!! > > Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) > > Regards, > > Conrad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hmm, > > drink if it's non-alc only ;-) > > They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. > > Gert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Foster' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > >> Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >> artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >> included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m >> y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% >> 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi all, I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in the last year. > Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, > and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just > a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a > stirring in my soul! While I've had loads of TD CDs old and new for ages, many of the albums particularly about 79/80 for some reason I tended to dismiss and not listen to. So, I've just listened to Force Majeure today for the first time and it's stunning. The addition of the drummer provides throbbing quality that enhances the pulsing flow of TD music. The music is starting to show the signs of the structuring that came in the 80s yet is still wildly oscillating. There are tape/samples and wolf like howling synths. Magical stuff!!! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26194 Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... j.gordon Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi dreamers, here is my TOP 5: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Goblins Club 3. Great Wall Of China 4. Oasis 5. The Seven Letters From Tibet dream on, Uwe From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] More collectable items Hi all, today i received a small packet from 'synth music direct' with the original 'Theta'-release of Johannes Schmoelling's 'the zoo of tranquillity'. Many thanks Antonio ;-) cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] More collectable items > Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few > collectable items on their second hand list, including: > > Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) > > Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) > > Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... welcome Mark!! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: RE: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, my Top Five: 1. Mars Polaris 2. What a blast? 3. Transsiberia 4. Dream Mixes 1 5. Tournado all the best heiko burg germany www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26197 The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Feldon Feldon Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 811 My top 5 from the given list - in no particular order: Valentine Wheels 220 Volt Quinoa Tyranny of Beauty Mars Polaris I do love the live stuff! -----Original Message----- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:38 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 811 Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - From: Rainer Rutka 2. Original TD items for trade From: 'Yannick EDOM' 3. The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: gmroger@p... 4. RE: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: bert.hulshoff@d... 5. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Heiko Heerssen 6. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Peter Ravn' 7. Eddy & Jerry List From: 'j.gordon' 8. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Rolf Elfström 9. RE: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! From: Joe Shoults 10. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Utch Entel' 11. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Brian Stewart' 12. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Sean Montgomery 13. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Michael V Miller 14. Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums From: scfeldman@j... 15. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Sean Montgomery 16. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Dan Oakley 17. Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: 'Gary Jenkins' 18. RE: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: Joe Shoults 19. Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: 'James E. Jacoby' 20. DREAMWATCHERS' TALES From: 'Whiteley, Steve' 21. Re : Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! From: 'Paul Fellows' 22. ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... From: 'Mark Coyle' 23. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: herold.u@t... 24. Re: More collectable items From: herold.u@t... 25. Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... From: 'j.gordon' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:26 -0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer Rutka Subject: Re: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - On 28 Feb 2001 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > There are machines to 'press' records with an edition > of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. But if it's only one copy existing - it's rare, too :-) The soundquality is very good so it's a collictors item . Thank you for your infos BTW... Rainer I'll put some pictures from the disk onto my page during next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:22:08 +0100 From: 'Yannick EDOM' Subject: Original TD items for trade Hi there after checking my TD collection, i found three extra items : Ultima Thule 7' - reissue. L'affaire walraff (original french EMI CD) Legend (original US casette from MCA) if someone is intersted, it's only for trade. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:43:10 +0100 From: gmroger@p... Subject: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one rest (agreed Frank?). Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 Mars Polaris Oasis Quinoa+ Rockoon Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet Timesquare Tournado Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) Zoning$ Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) #Not the Australian version +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') @Release with 'Story of the Brave' %Release with 'Quasar' **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this period, even it is by Edgar Froese All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 Mars Polaris 2 The Dream Mixes 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 4 Tournado 5 Oasis This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- consuming! Over to you! Roger Hartopp -- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:47 +0100 From: bert.hulshoff@d... Subject: RE: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's mine 1 Mars Polaris 2 Timesquares 3 What a blast! 4 Goblin's Club 5 Trans Siberia Bert I love this kind of Charts ;) > ---------- > From: gmroger@p...[SMTP:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 13:43 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH%2 > 0my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF m > y address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:56:18 +0100 From: Heiko Heerssen Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? My top 5: 1.) Timesquare - Dream mixes 2 2.) Mars Polaris 3.) Oasis 4.) Seven letters from Tibet 5.) Goblins club Heiko ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:00:00 +0100 From: 'Peter Ravn' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi; My top five: 1)What A Blast 2)Mars Polaris 3)Oasis 4 )Dream Mixes 1 5) Transiberia Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > Hi, > > As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- > activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. > > Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' > Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as > regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too > many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and > mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one > rest (agreed Frank?). > > Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of > 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums > by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. > > So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine > Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? > To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: > > Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* > Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China > Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 > Mars Polaris Oasis > Quinoa+ Rockoon > Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet > Timesquare Tournado > Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ > 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% > Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) > Zoning$ > > Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) > #Not the Australian version > +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') > @Release with 'Story of the Brave' > %Release with 'Quasar' > **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period > $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this > period, even it is by Edgar Froese > > All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these > versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. > Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number > two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top > fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three > points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or > until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll > get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: 'j.gordon' Subject: Eddy & Jerry List blah... strangely, i've begun developing a distaste for this era, where before i really liked most of it... it might have something to do with the influx of older material that i consider to be notches above... the more good quality stuff i get, the less the mediocre stuff stands up... sigh... no, i'm not trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-re(at infinitum) open this thread, nor be a flame-magnet... just ruminating as this survey pops up... but here's the list: 1. Oasis 2. Quinoa 3. Goblin's Club 4. Valentine's Wheels 5. Turn of the Tides good luck, roger... i'm interested to see how many people respond... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:14:58 +0100 From: Rolf Elfström Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1. Mars Polaris 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet 3. The Dream Mixes 4. Timesquare 5. The Great Wall of China ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:56:05 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Paul- I bet if you called the bar they'd be happy to accomodate you. Maybe they will extend Happy Hour prices to your party for before and after the show? I'd ask for it. I've done this kind of thing before and a 35-person party is a great boost for a bar (depending on the type- unless it's the kind that is always packed anyway). Bringing 35 patrons means you have a little buying power. Assume the bar would rather you go there than go across the street. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get > in touch with > > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or > something :-) > > > > 35 people already... > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:08:22 -0700 From: 'Utch Entel' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 The Dream Mixes 2 220 Volt 3 Oasis 4 What A Blast 5 Quinoa ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:32:45 -0000 From: 'Brian Stewart' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi Here are my five favourite Edgar & Jerome albums. -- Mars Polaris Timesquare Valentine Wheels The Great Wall of China Rockoon -- Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:13:45 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Based on the amount to playing time that they've received, and my current willingness to still play them: 1. The Dream Mixes 2. 220 Volt 3. Quinoa 4. Oasis 5. Mars Polaris Sadly, this wasn't a hard decision at all. The only other album I considered including was Rockoon, which I liked at the time of its release but which seems overly cheesy to me now...and its best track - Touchwood - appears in an even better version on Dream Mixes. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:36:20 -0500 From: Michael V Miller Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest Hi, Here is my take on the titles you mentioned. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:42:24 EST ohmss76@a... writes: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, > and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... > > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact > that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it > someday, I love Soundmill Navigator it is in my top 5 favorite TD CDs. As far as I can tell my copy does not have that sound people have been talking about. I have never heard the original concert so I was not biased when listening to it. I love it. I would be interested in hearing the untouched version but I have no way of doing that. > since I exchanged it for... > Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces > from > WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit > discouraged to > exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track > on Logos > Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as > everyone > should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( I haven't listen to this one too much. I like it but I don't know it too well yet. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came > from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was > hoping, by > the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from > STRANGE > BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues > originate from, > its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many > of these > pieces:):):) I don't have this one so no comment. :-) > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good > stuff on > here for me to begin! Excellent cd. I love this one. I love their older stuff. > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was > eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) My favorite CD of theirs. Haven't heard quite like it again. Especially Part II. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts > with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up > to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. I like Poland a lot. There are some parts that aren't fully exciting but I like it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:39:29 -0500 From: scfeldman@j... Subject: Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums (can't come up with 5): 1 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 2 Mars Polaris 3 The Dream Mixes 4 The Great Wall of China -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:32:16 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Morgan already made most of the points that I was going to make about these titles, but it may be helpful if you see similar complaints echoed by more than one fan. > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, > since I exchanged it for... As Morgan pointed out, this 'skip' was a tape flaw on the original recording, and rather than try to remove it, Edgar or whoever was at the TDI controls here just sampled the defect and added it throughout the entire piece, for the sake of 'consistency'. Edgar's insistence upon adding sounds and compositional preferences from the year 2001 on top of music recorded 25 years earlier also results in a mis-matched Frankstein's monster, 9 times out of 10. Furthermore, it ruins the historical relevance of the recordings, and dismisses the contributions of past members of the band. PLUS, in some cases (Sohoman, the 'I-Box'), parts of these 'live' shows are clearly taken right from studio master tapes, a fact which becomes obvious once you've heard actual audience recordings. Of course, most TD fans won't get to hear these recordings, so the band figures that they can get away with it. And I suppose some fans like what the band is doing with these shows, and their willingness to buy the CDs ensures that we'll get more of the same in the future. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? The Hollywood Years releases are a perfect example of 'buyer beware'. When they were announced on the TDI website back in 1998, I was very excited. Here, I suspected, we'd finally get some of the unreleased music that TD composed for 'Hollywood' back in the 80s. I was so excited that I ordered the albums without asking too many questions. Questions like: 'who are the composers of these tracks?', and 'what movies are these songs from, anyway?' This would be useful information to have, don't you think? I mean, not every TD fan likes everything TD has done over the course of the band's 30 year history. And you'd think that the band would give potential buyers a bit of information that would help them to decide if this music was from an TD era that they're partial to. But no. No info at all, just track titles. And so, it's my own fault that I shelled out 20 bucks American for each of these discs, only to find that it all sounded like pieces left off of Tyranny of Beauty for being 'too weak'. It's all Edgar and Jerome, all the time, even though the only movie soundtrack they've released is 'Zoning' (I'm not including Oasis, What a Blast, or Jim and Pablo). And they can justify this by saying, 'oh, I wrote Propeller Beach after watching Apocalypse Now last weekend. It was 'an imaginary soundtrack, man'. Now, I know that a couple of the tracks here really were from movies...someone mentioned Legend, for instance. But most of it has been so heavilly overdubbed that it all just becomes another standard 90s TD album. Anyway, the band is making things easier for fans unsure about what they'll be getting in a new TDI release, in that they're just overdubbing *everything*. This is an attempt to make everything they've even composed sound like their current work, because since Edgar sees himself as the world leader in electronic music innovation, he must protect his street cred by making all of TDs crappy old stuff 'innovative', like their new stuff...right? So anyway, if you *like* their current sound, you can feel free to buy everything TDI puts out, content with the knowledge that you'll enjoy it. > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on > here for me to begin! This was the only TDI release of recent years that I really enjoyed, because they left most of the tracks alone! Now, was that really so hard to do? > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) One of TD's finest moments. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. There is a lot of meandering bits on Poland, but what's good on that album is *really* good. Side One is right up there with Tangram Part One and Ricochet Part 2 in my list of TDs best long compositions. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Oakley Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1)Mars Polaris 2) Melrose 3) Stratosfear 4) Optical Race Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a stirring in my soul! Dan --- Rolf Elfström wrote: > 1. Mars Polaris > 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 3. The Dream Mixes > 4. Timesquare > 5. The Great Wall of China > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:15:58 -0000 From: 'Gary Jenkins' Subject: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Hi all here is my top 5 1.Mars Polaris 2.Goblin's Club 3.Oasis 4.Dream Mixes 5.Timesquare DM 2 Cheers Gary. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:22:16 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show > 1.Goblin's Club > 2.Oasis > 3.Mars Polaris > 4.Ambient Monkeys > 5.Dream Mixes ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: 'James E. Jacoby' Subject: Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show My top 5 Edgar & Jerome albums: 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Dream Mixes 4) 220 Volt Live 5) Great Wall of China James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:11:52 -0800 From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hey Dreamwatchers, Thanks to all those who made this happen. This one of the faster trees I've participated in. The music is great, I love the way each song blends into the next. Its amazing that TD has inspired and attracted so many creative artists. I am not able to list my favorites yet as some of the songs have become more intimate to me the more I listen. I'm looking forward to spending more time with this collection. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:47:41 +0100 From: 'Paul Fellows' Subject: Re : Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Oh God no, I feel awkward enough wearing a 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt! Paul ---------- >De : 'Conrad Gibbons' >À : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 2:47 > > Hi everyone!!!!! > > Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) > > Regards, > > Conrad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hmm, > > drink if it's non-alc only ;-) > > They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. > > Gert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Foster' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > >> Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >> artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >> included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m >> y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% >> 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:41:21 -0000 From: 'Mark Coyle' Subject: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi all, I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in the last year. > Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, > and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just > a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a > stirring in my soul! While I've had loads of TD CDs old and new for ages, many of the albums particularly about 79/80 for some reason I tended to dismiss and not listen to. So, I've just listened to Force Majeure today for the first time and it's stunning. The addition of the drummer provides throbbing quality that enhances the pulsing flow of TD music. The music is starting to show the signs of the structuring that came in the 80s yet is still wildly oscillating. There are tape/samples and wolf like howling synths. Magical stuff!!! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:44:03 +0100 From: herold.u@t... Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi dreamers, here is my TOP 5: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Goblins Club 3. Great Wall Of China 4. Oasis 5. The Seven Letters From Tibet dream on, Uwe ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:52:57 +0100 From: herold.u@t... Subject: Re: More collectable items Hi all, today i received a small packet from 'synth music direct' with the original 'Theta'-release of Johannes Schmoelling's 'the zoo of tranquillity'. Many thanks Antonio ;-) cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] More collectable items > Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few > collectable items on their second hand list, including: > > Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) > > Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) > > Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: 'j.gordon' Subject: Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... welcome Mark!! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Just to rock the boat, I am going to reject the notion that Edgar and Jerome have put out one CD in the last 15 years which has entirely memorable tracks cover-to-cover. I am, however, going to put up a list of 12 tracks over the last 12 years which I think Edgar and Jerome have reached me with. Listed in no particular order: 1. Zoning(96) - The Conspiracy (opening theme) 2. Oasis - Waterbourne 3. Oasis - Flashflood 4. Dream Mixes - Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions 5. Dream Mixes UK - Sojus 6. Dream Mixes - Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix) 7. Dream Mixes - Touchwood* 8. Goblin's Club - Towards the Evening Star 9. TimeSquare - Jungle Jacula 10. Logos Blue 88 11. Mars Polaris - Comet's Figurehead 12. i-Box - Longing for Cashba** (Werner-Seelenbinder theme) An honorable mention must go to Dream Mixes, TimeSquare, and 220 Volt. If I had to pick -Morgan P.S. You'll notice I've included a Zoning track, even though I have made several disparaging comments about the CD. In most cases, I ignored the source and just listened to the music. *ideally the Dreaming on Danforth Ave 92 live version **Edgar kind of ruined the Longing for Cashba scene by cutting off the 30 second intro and the last 2 minutes. The sax is not entirely unwelcome. This is all compared to the original 1990 concert series. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 DWT 2 sounds good to me--I've a track to submit if I can find it. --teiwaz (ot--anyone going to porcupine tree the night after TD at SBE?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Hollywood years Right after Hollywood years came out we (the list) gave our opinions on where each of the tracks on both volumes were likely to have come from or been unused cues from. I have changed computers several times since then and can't seem to locate the latest compiled version of the general consensus for these. I've also scanned the available archives and no luck there. This would have been after Dream Dice came out, but prior to the closing down of the UWP mailing list. If anyone has that available, could you please repost it? Thanks, James -----Original Message----- From: ohmss76@a... Subject: Latest and Greatest TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, by the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate from, its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of these pieces:):):) From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Welcome + ? Hi all, many thanks for the kind welcome. Here's an enquiry, apart from Edgar Frose solo albums which I know well, what are the ten best solo albums by other TD members that are recommended (excluding Klaus Schulze which of course would be a list all on its own)? I've ordered a load of Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and so on and and wondered what more informed people on the list would list of these. I've got the MIchael Hoenig album (and the one with Gottsching), is he considered an ex-member as he only played live rather than recorded? Many kind thanks cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: pw098@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:38 am Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top 5. 1) Mars Polaris 2) Turn of the Tides 3) The Seven Letters of Tibet 4) Tournado 5) 220 Volt -Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26206 Re: Top five from the Froese's Piotr Sulkowski II Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26228 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26211 Re: Top five from the Froese's Michal Moroz Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26214 Re: Top five from the Froese's Antonio Nunes Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26235 Top five from the Froese's Poul Erik Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB 26326 Re: Top five from the Froese's Steve Yensen Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:07 am Subject: half off topic: TD for Processor Hi all, you can tell that I'm getting desperate. I have been looking in vain for a replacement processor for my PC. So I'll try it here. I'll compensate in cash and/or TD rarities from my swaplist ! What I need is an Intel Pentium III Katmai 600 MHz, Slot 1, 100 MHz FSB, used or new, preferrably with cooler. The Katmai is the older, no longer manufactured version, and can be discerned by it's core voltage of 2.05 V and 512 kB Cache. The newer 'Coppermine' can be found easily, it needs 1.65V, which my board can't do... hope someone can help cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi Mark, velcome to the list. Enjoy.. Poul > Hi all, > > I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in > the last year. From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show ________________________________________________________________________ > From: Dan Oakley > Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > 1)Mars Polaris > 2) Melrose > 3) Stratosfear > 4) Optical Race Hi Dan! Unfortunately, with the exception of Mars Polaris, you've chosen albums during the Eddy/Jerry/Pauly, Eddy/Chrissie/Pete & eddy/Pauly eras. Have another go! From the last digest, already fourteen of you have voted! As you all may have guessed, we have a clear leader; the next four only have five points seperating them, and these five in turn appear to be clear of the rest. But there's 400 of you out there... if you all care to get out of lurk mode! I'm off for the weekend so I won't have the chance to update the chart until Monday, but keep them coming. Incidentally, two queries have emerged... should we be including in the selection 'Jim & Pablo' and the other CD given with the 'Millenium Booster'? (neither of which I possess, I'm afraid.) My own thoughts are we should stick to the CD's that have been generally available to everyone (if you can find shops that stock them, of course!) :) Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26205 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26207 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show From: > But there's 400 of you out there... if you all care to > get out of lurk mode! Alright, alright! (stares long and hard at his CD collection) Bloody hell, this is a tough one... (stares again) Er... can we include concert tapes? ;-) OK, my top 5. Or rather the least worst: 1) Dream Encores (just for the first track. The rest was awful) 2) What a Blast. (just for 'Beauty of the Blast'. The rest was dull) 3) Dream Mixes 2. (just for 'Mobocaster'. Anyone else see a pattern forming here?) 4) Mars Polaris. (I still don't get what all the fuss was about over this album). 5) Sony Center Score. (not widely available I know, but I can't think of any other ones I liked!) Maff ________________________________________ matthewsawyer@b... http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Hi, my Top Five: 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet 2. 220 Volt 3. Tournado 4. Transsiberia 5. Mars Polaris Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26228 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Seeing the 'Eddy & Jerry show' listings has given me some clear direction on what to purchase next. Thanks to all who have given their input. Dan --- gmroger@p... wrote: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > From: Dan Oakley > > Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > > 1)Mars Polaris > > 2) Melrose > > 3) Stratosfear > > 4) Optical Race > > Hi Dan! Unfortunately, with the exception of Mars Polaris, you've > chosen albums during the Eddy/Jerry/Pauly, Eddy/Chrissie/Pete & > eddy/Pauly eras. Have another go! > > From the last digest, already fourteen of you have voted! As you > all > may have guessed, we have a clear leader; the next four only have > five points seperating them, and these five in turn appear to be > clear of the rest. But there's 400 of you out there... if you all > care to > get out of lurk mode! > > I'm off for the weekend so I won't have the chance to update the > chart until Monday, but keep them coming. > > Incidentally, two queries have emerged... should we be including in > > the selection 'Jim & Pablo' and the other CD given with the > 'Millenium Booster'? (neither of which I possess, I'm afraid.) My > own thoughts are we should stick to the CD's that have been > generally available to everyone (if you can find shops that stock > them, of course!) :) > > Roger > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show and Welcome + ? It's always hard to rank music and with 90's TD it's extremely hard. Here is an attempt but it is actually only the first two that I play somewhat regularly:* 1) What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) 2) Oasis 3) Ambient Monkeys 4) Goblins' Club# 5) Mars Polaris * I haven't heard Valentine Wheels, Tournado, Zoning and Rumpelstiltskin. 'Mark Coyle' wrote: >I've ordered a load of Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and so on >and and wondered what more informed people on the list would list of these. I've got >the MIchael Hoenig album (and the one with Gottsching), is he considered an ex-member >as he only played live rather than recorded? I don't have a complete collection so others will have to fill in. Just a few hints: Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet is still my favourite Baumann: Romance 76 (I'm fairly convinced that's the only one you need from him) Francke: I'm not so impressed of his work but there are some good albums. The London Concert isn´t a bad choice. Hoenig: Departure from the Northern Wastelands, X-cept one. Both are great! Hope that helps. Bye now, Olle From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:11 pm Subject: north american tour 2001 speculation north american tour 2001 speculation am I the only one that's antsy about the silence on the purported north american 2001 tour? --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26212 Re: north american tour 2001 speculation Joe Shoults Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Online reservation for TD concert October 7th, Bernau Hi folks, you can place an online ticket order for TD's concert in the German town of Bernau (near Berlin) on Sunday, October 7th, 2001 (the first part of their Dante's 'Inferno' trilogy) The URL is at http://www.altemusik.de/ (click on 'Reservierung', unfortunately for some of you it's all in German language) I haven't got a reply from the organizer yet (I sent out my e-mail just a few minutes ago) , but I wonder why there has been no information about the availability of tickets from the official TD side....? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26398 Re: Online reservation for TD concert October 7th j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Greetings from orbit :) my Top Five Daddy and Son 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Timesquare 4) Quinoa 5) Valentine Wheels Michal Moroz aka Space Station Mir From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] north american tour 2001 speculation well, the word is that they are 'very confident', but you shouldn't get all upset if it doesn't happen. I'm confident that they WANT to make it happen and will if they can. > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:11 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] north american tour 2001 speculation > > > north american tour 2001 speculation > > am I the only one that's antsy about the silence on the > purported north > american 2001 tour? > > --teiwaz From: 'koulos' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1 220 Volt 2 What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) 3 The Dream Mixes 4 Goblins' Club [if it considered to be a eddy and jerome thing count as my number 5 Dream Dice [inclubing the bonus track ca va- ca marche-ca ira encore] or else 5 Mars Polaris all the best to this countdown kostas from Greece From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Here's my top 5: 1) Valentine Wheels 2) Turn of the Tides 3) Rumpelstiltskin 4) Quinoa 5) Oasis But if I could choose any album released in the last 10 years, I would vote for 'Antique Dreams', 'Dream Encores', 'Soundmill Navigator' and 'Sohoman' (I don't mind the 'tangentizing'), and 'Valentine Wheels'. Antonio Nunes From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 2:22 am Subject: TD colllectables on e-bay Hi everyone, In case anyone was unaware, there are now only a couple of days to go in the e-bay auction for these two TD collectables..... 1980-81 World Tour Patch (orange and yellow on black background) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412103378 Fully signed (Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil) colour Tournado Postcard from 1997 UK tour http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412106386 Happy bidding and good luck! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Going Shopping Which month's pay are you talking about, the one where you get paid, or the one where you don't :-) ---------- >De : 'Neal Frost' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Going Shopping >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 4:19 > > For those of us poor souls that will not be able to see the TD concert in > the UK in May, are there any 'Kind Souls' that ARE going that might be > willing to do a little shopping? We/I can only assume that there will be > some little tidbit, or prerelease of something sold at the concert. Maybe a > single that will only be available at the show and not on the regular > market? > > Anyone willing to help, I would be willing to send a months pay, in > advance, for the help. > ('Honest honey, we only get paid every OTHER month at work.') > > Neal > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Date: 2/28/01 2:07:10 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend S–ren (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest RE:Soundmill Nav. >>>>Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is entirely a studio creation). <<<<<<<<<<<<< I am still mortified about this. And here I thought Froese was a genius! This is just inexscusable, and now I have to question picking up another copy,since(Sean I believe)said his plays fine! You would think with all the technology they could remove any flaws,or work around it. >Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - Froese (creator of Tangerine Dream and the only one left of the old guard) seems to have no desire to release concerts as-is. So as you note, he butchered Logos, and removed all trace of the nice guitar work in the last 8 minutes (which was originally 12 minutes) and tacked on a fake ending. His changes to Sohoman are completely out of tune, out of time, and don't fit at all.<<<< Now Im getting mad:( Then its possible my keen ear picked up similarities in WHITE EAGLE tracks on this concert,since they may be the SAME tracks from the album!?!?! >TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - That's exactly what we hoped for, but it turned out to be a lot of 1990's Tangerine Dream noodlings in the key of Miracle Mile and Melrose-era albums. <<<<<<<<< Someone wrote there was a list compiled of what films these are from...Id love to see it if anyone has it! I can take the MM/Melrose era, in fact I like both those albums very much. Again, we all seemed to have wanted something else. So how is Vol.2? I read somewhere there may be a cue from THE KEEP on it? Is that true? > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. -Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes I do too:) I just would have sacrificed that(and RARE BIRD) if I ABSOLUTELY had to! ;-) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sorry if my e-mail sounds negative. The last few years have been hard for TD fans who want the old concerts (there are well over 100 hours of unique material [different enough from the albums] to warrant releasing) and keep getting these fluffed up mislabeled CDs. I think the only people buying these CDs like Sohoman and Soundmill are people who haven't been warned ahead of time. :( <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, Like me!lol Thanks for the enlightenment,Morgan! All the best, Sean A _________________________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26219 Re: Latest and Greatest j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 delayed! Since Dream Mixes 3 was supposed to be out this month, and yet no information about ordering it has emerged yet, this latest release date change does not come as a surprise. Dream Mixes 3 has been postponed until the second half of May...to move it up closer to the planned North American tour dates, I imagine. But they promise that a webpage with info about the album will be up by Monday. http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest hey, sean... > I can take the MM/Melrose era, in fact I like both those albums very much. > Again, we all seemed to have wanted something else. So how is Vol.2? I read > somewhere there may be a cue from THE KEEP on it? Is that true? now i dig HYv1 - in fact, i think it's got some really good stuff on it - but i ate the big donut when i got v2... it came highly recommend, mostly because of the vocal track at the end, Rose of Babylon... wrong-o... it seemed that v1 was like all the cues that didn't make the cut for the movie, (hand-me downs, so to speak) but v2 was like those that didn't make the cut for the pan-me downs... sigh... to all y'all that dig v2, my apologies for any offense... i just think this is one of those albums that should have have been sacrificed to the gods... for appeasment... ;) j.gordon ps lots of other places to get yer Keep cues, sean... coughcoughElectronicCoughOrgycoughcough __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Since everyone in the world seems to be contributing their lists, I may as well too. 1. Goblins' Club 2. Tyranny of Beauty 3. The Dream Mixes 4. TimeSquare 5. 220 Volt --Daniel NP: Rush--Test for Echo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26221 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums lawlermusic Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26223 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26226 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26240 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Frank Arellano Sat 3/3/2001 3 KB 26248 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Lawry Simm Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26249 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Richard Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums For me , this is like listing my top 5 illnesses . Having said that , they have produced a few really good tracks over the last decade . almost enough for a full CD:) anyway , in no particular order : 1 Timesquare 2. Rockcoon 3 Goblins Club 4 Oasis 5.Valentine Wheels whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: > >RE:Soundmill Nav. > > >>>>Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by >Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 >concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you >noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar >claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without >ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering >and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED >this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is >entirely a studio creation). ><<<<<<<<<<<<< > >I am still mortified about this. And here I thought Froese was a genius! >This is just inexscusable, and now I have to question picking up another >copy,since(Sean I believe)said his plays fine! It does take studio ears, good speakers, or both to hear this noise. I heard it at once but maybe it's because I knew what I was looking for. >You would think with all the technology they could remove any flaws,or work >around it. A few members of this list took a shot at it and were able to completely obliterate the sound with 20-30 minutes of filtering work without damaging the underlying music at all. So there's no excuse for Edgar to not have done it except foolish pride. And no, copies of this are not available! Better to enjoy a recording of the original concert anyway. > >Sohoman 1982 Sydney <<<< > >Now Im getting mad:( Then its possible my keen ear picked up similarities >in WHITE EAGLE tracks on this concert,since they may be the SAME tracks >from the album!?!?! Actually, Convention of the 24, White Eagle, Logos 'red part', and a snippet of Horizon WERE played at that show. So the music you hear on Sohoman *IS* the original music, turned down to about 70% volume with lots of stuff on top. White Eagle is actually pretty close to how it was originally played with the cool warbling sounds at the beginning. It's amazing that with the wealth of unreleased music between 1980 and 1982, Edgar chose 45 minutes of an Australian concert which is not only 70% released material already, but one of Edgar's less enthusiastic performances of Bondy Parade I've ever heard. Edgar must agree with me, he completely lifted his guitar solo, which *WAS* the heart of the song and cut the song short by 4 minutes and added a fake ending. > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to >the > >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. > >Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. > >-Morgan ><<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Yes I do too:) I just would have sacrificed that(and RARE BIRD) if I >ABSOLUTELY had to! ;-) The only way to own Poland in its entirety really is to have the 2 CD set, which is long out-of-print and hard to find. The funny thing about Poland is that the CD is fairly accurate to the concert except the track 'Poland' which is a studio version. Now, you might be a bit infuriated to hear this. Honestly, having heard both the live 31 minute version and the 22 minute version on the Poland CD, I think the one on the CD is more polished and prefer it. It is interesting to hear both versions however. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums From: lawlermusic > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . I'm not sure exactly where they played it. It's about 15 minutes long, contains a small bit of Mars Polaris, and I think was only available as a surprise gift in the Millennium Booster pack. Like alot of the modern material, it has a couple of moments of greatness mixed in with parts that wander around aimlessly. Maff ________________________________________ matthewsawyer@b... http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26226 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Morgan writes: The only way to own Poland in its entirety really is to have the 2 CD set, which is long out-of-print and hard to find. The funny thing about Poland is that the CD is fairly accurate to the concert except the track 'Poland' which is a studio version. Now, you might be a bit infuriated to hear this. Honestly, having heard both the live 31 minute version and the 22 minute version on the Poland CD, I think the one on the CD is more polished and prefer it. It is interesting to hear both versions however. -Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, Sean _________________________________________________________________ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Thanks for saving me a few bucks J:) I was going to grab HWYears V2 this weekend, but if its not worth it....well if someone out there likes it speak up:) And er,uh...eepnay anksnay orgynay elecnay:)lol Best, Sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums it was played at the sony topping center... a dedication to the 'new' sony building in Berlin... the music is floating around, (it was never released officially as it's own CD, i believe... please correct me if i'm wrong someone...) it's a little over 18 minutes and its right in line with the other music they've produced in the 90's... =) j.gordon --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > From: lawlermusic > > > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . > > I'm not sure exactly where they played it. It's about 15 minutes long, > contains a small bit of Mars Polaris, and I think was only available as a > surprise gift in the Millennium Booster pack. Like alot of the modern > material, it has a couple of moments of greatness mixed in with parts that > wander around aimlessly. > > > Maff > ________________________________________ > matthewsawyer@b... > http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ > http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Windows ME Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial movies in Windows ME? Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's > > Hi, > > my Top Five: > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 2. 220 Volt > 3. Tournado > 4. Transsiberia > 5. Mars Polaris > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. Rayden (z nasluchu) P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: Dream Roots Collection box set Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if not, here's the post :) I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. I've only been a TD fan for about 4 years now (collecting), although had been introducted to TD years ago, and was stupid enough to not listen (GRIN). BUT seeing stuff like this in a big box set makes me want to pick things up, BUT I always like to ask and inquire first? Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND same goes with the information about Dream Roots. thanks much. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26231 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set Sean Montgomery Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26232 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26252 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set Feldon Feldon Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Windows ME Oh no... actually THEY MAKE their music using the programs included with Windows ME! :O) Sorry just kidding... but sometimes I do wonder.. Greg H. From: 'Dan Oakley' > Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial > movies in Windows ME? > > Dan From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh wrote: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. The Dream Roots collection presents music from two eras of TD history: the years 1970-1973, when they were on the German label 'Ohr'; and 1983-1988, when they were represented by the label Jive Electro (TD is now calling these eras 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' respectively). A tracklisting can be seen on Amazon.com, if you do a search for 'dream roots'. Almost all of the 1970-73 'Pink Years' stuff has been heavilly modified/re-recorded (except for the four tracks from Green Desert, the only album from the era that I like). The changes don't make the material any better, in my opinion. The Blue Years stuff is presented pretty much intact, but it's been remastered, and the sound quality is great. If you don't have any albums from that era (and you should! Underwater Sunlight and Poland in particular), this set might be a good place to start. It also has four previously unreleased tracks on disk 5, and one of them in particular (Valley of the Sun) is excellent. It also comes with a nice booklet, full of pictures. All in all, it's a pretty good set...and you can indeed get it for under $50. Cduniverse.com has it for about $44. Still, in the long run you may be better off just buying Green Desert, Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Livemiles. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh said: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection ...WHAT exactly is this? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid =TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=1010759 -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Ken Beal Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 1:04 am Subject: FS: Blank Cassettes Howdy All... Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found the following: 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette 1 TDK MA90 Cassette All are still sealed in their original packaging. I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream related items as barter. Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26264 Re: FS: Blank Cassettes Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 2:11 am Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. >Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, >Sean Because the in the remastered 1-cd Poland, Barbakane is just like in Extracts; the final section had to be removed so it could fit in the CD. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top five, allthough hard to choose( yeah, I like the nineties a well :o) 1. Oasis 2. Mars Polaris 3. What A Blast 4. 220 Volts 5. Goblins Club Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: I always wondered about this being 'live' I am glad you asked the question, I have both the single and double CD(s) of Poland and thought they sounded different. Now I know why. As the owner (proud?) of both Tangents and the infamous I-box set along the 30-odds other TD CD's, I do not think I will buy any more 'Collections'. I have acquired a few 'fan tapes' and other forms of 'live' concerts. Now, for the first time I 'hear' the difference of a true concert and a 'doctored' version of TD live. It is indeed a world of difference. As an avid collector of Bruce Springsteen concerts, I pale when Columbia releases a 'Live Collection' as they bare so little resemblance to the true concert setting. Granted the sound is cleaner, but so much of the ambiance and spontaneity is lost in the editing process. Sterilization if you will. I don't need an engineer decide what a concert sounds like. I already know. Having never had the pleasure of attending a TD concert, I rely on tapes and live releases to enhance the visualizations of the hall and musicians performing the wonderful sound that is Tangerine Dream. So I will trade and collect as much of the early and mid-eighties concerts as I can. An dreally think twice over new factory TD live releases. Oh, hell who am I kidding, I will buy the damn things just to own them. But , I would be happy with myself later(grin). I am on a rant here; I just paid $90.00 so my wife and oldest son can see NSYNC live. And she complains to me of my spending money on TD stuff! Regards, DPH -----Original Message----- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:06 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 814 ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Dream Roots Collection box set From: 'winnie the pooh' 2. Re: Windows ME From: 'Greg' 3. Re: Dream Roots Collection box set From: Sean Montgomery 4. Re: Dream Roots Collection box set From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' 5. FS: Blank Cassettes From: Ken Beal 6. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Gustavo Jobim 7. Top five from the Froese's From: 'Poul Erik' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:38 -0500 From: 'winnie the pooh' Subject: Dream Roots Collection box set Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if not, here's the post :) I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. I've only been a TD fan for about 4 years now (collecting), although had been introducted to TD years ago, and was stupid enough to not listen (GRIN). BUT seeing stuff like this in a big box set makes me want to pick things up, BUT I always like to ask and inquire first? Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND same goes with the information about Dream Roots. thanks much. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:31:22 -0700 From: 'Greg' Subject: Re: Windows ME Oh no... actually THEY MAKE their music using the programs included with Windows ME! :O) Sorry just kidding... but sometimes I do wonder.. Greg H. From: 'Dan Oakley' > Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial > movies in Windows ME? > > Dan ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:25:40 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh wrote: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. The Dream Roots collection presents music from two eras of TD history: the years 1970-1973, when they were on the German label 'Ohr'; and 1983-1988, when they were represented by the label Jive Electro (TD is now calling these eras 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' respectively). A tracklisting can be seen on Amazon.com, if you do a search for 'dream roots'. Almost all of the 1970-73 'Pink Years' stuff has been heavilly modified/re-recorded (except for the four tracks from Green Desert, the only album from the era that I like). The changes don't make the material any better, in my opinion. The Blue Years stuff is presented pretty much intact, but it's been remastered, and the sound quality is great. If you don't have any albums from that era (and you should! Underwater Sunlight and Poland in particular), this set might be a good place to start. It also has four previously unreleased tracks on disk 5, and one of them in particular (Valley of the Sun) is excellent. It also comes with a nice booklet, full of pictures. All in all, it's a pretty good set...and you can indeed get it for under $50. Cduniverse.com has it for about $44. Still, in the long run you may be better off just buying Green Desert, Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Livemiles. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:27:36 -0000 From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh said: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection ...WHAT exactly is this? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artist id =TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=1010759 -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:04:26 -0800 From: Ken Beal Subject: FS: Blank Cassettes Howdy All... Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found the following: 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette 1 TDK MA90 Cassette All are still sealed in their original packaging. I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream related items as barter. Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:11:02 -0300 From: Gustavo Jobim Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. >Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, >Sean Because the in the remastered 1-cd Poland, Barbakane is just like in Extracts; the final section had to be removed so it could fit in the CD. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:53:43 +0100 From: 'Poul Erik' Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top five, allthough hard to choose( yeah, I like the nineties a well :o) 1. Oasis 2. Mars Polaris 3. What A Blast 4. 220 Volts 5. Goblins Club Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Ano, ano mysle wiec jestem :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > > > > Hi, > > > > my Top Five: > > > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > > 2. 220 Volt > > 3. Tournado > > 4. Transsiberia > > 5. Mars Polaris > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > Piotr S. Millennium > > Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. > > Rayden (z nasluchu) > > P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26253 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: ATTENTION: update and NEW Homepage Name - OPTICALDREAM.DE Hi all, NEW Name of my Tangerine Dream Fan-Homepage: please add this to your links (thank you): http://www.opticaldream.de the other Name is no more available. The New Homepage has was also updated at: 03.03.2001 Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss76@a... Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: What IS the I-Box? Since I was at Tower eyeballing this one AGAIN last night, it is probably timely to ask everyone here is this worth my $54? I have 0 compilations of old albums, as it seems there are far too many, and how many times do you need to own excerpts of Stratosfear,Alpha Centauri and Zeit,etc,etc if you have the whole thng? It seems these collections always just chop up previously released tracks with a few new ones,and who knows where those come from! So is this worth it? And how about Tangents, the Virgin box? Is that another case of 'buy 4 old cd's and get one new one? I see there is a whole disc of new stuff there, but again are these just leftovers? Someone please let me know, since if they're no good, Alex North's monumental score for CLEOPATRA is being released on 2 cd's in a couple weeks! All the best, Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26243 Re: What IS the I-Box? Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 5 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums What! Paul, I didn't see 'Seven Letters Of Tibet' on your list. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'lawlermusic' To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums > For me , this is like listing my top 5 illnesses . > Having said that , they have produced a few really good tracks over the last > decade . almost enough for a full CD:) > anyway , in no particular order : > > 1 Timesquare > 2. Rockcoon > 3 Goblins Club > 4 Oasis > 5.Valentine Wheels > > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: The return of Eddie and Jerry Alright now, I know some of you have been holding your breath waiting for mine , so here it goes :-) 1. Tournado 2. Oasis 3. Mars Polaris 4. 220 Volt 5. Quinoa So far it's a runaway with Mars Polaris in the lead. The only ones that haven't received any votes from Roger's list are Hollywood Years Vol. I and II, and Zoning. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Okay, I thought I'd give you all an idea how things are shaping up so far based on 27 qualified entries. Dan Oakley, I need your revised one. Morgan, sorry, but your's was obviously disqualified :-) Matt, Dream Encore and Sony Center aren't on Roger's list either. !. Mars Polaris 79 [pts] 2.Oasis [43] 3. Goblins Club [40] 4. Dream Mixes I [36] 5. Timesquare [35] 6. What A Blast [30] 7. 220 Volt [28] 8.Valentine Wheels [17] 9. Quinoa [16] 10. Seven Letters Of Tibet [15] 11. Tournado [13] 12. Great Wall Of China [9] Turn Of The Tides [9] 14. Transsiberia [7] Tyranny Of Beauty [7] 16. Ambient Monkeys [5] 17. Rockoon [4] 18. Rumplestiltskin [3] 19. Hollywood Years I [0] Hollywood Years II [0] Zoning [0] This has been a public service announcement. :-D Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26244 Re: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB 26302 Re: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 tadream Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What IS the I-Box? i-Box is: -several Tangents (74-83) compilation tracks -several Dream Roots (71-73, 84-87) compilation tracks -11 'rare' tracks -2 studio demo versions of a pair of 90's era tracks (very remixed and interesting) -Warsaw in the Sun 12' vinyl edition never before on CD -Logos 88 theme [see Tangents below] -a handful of tracks which are 'inspired by various 86-89 concerts' -an edited Werner Saleenbinder 1990 concert theme [I love the original, Edgar cut it down 30 sec in the front, 2 minutes at the back, and brought Linda Spa on board to record saxophone on top of it. It's still *decent* even with all this] -a CD labeled 'Perth 1982 concert' which is in fact**: -about 13 minutes of Edgar Froese solos from 1982 including Kamikaze and a few other bits -Convention of the 24 (studio version from White Eagle) -Mojave Plan (studio version from White Eagle) -studio ending If you want a decent compilation with some rare tracks, this is a good box to get. It's tolerably priced if you can grab it for $30 off Amazon or CDNow. $54 is robbery. As long as you realize that 90% of what's labeled 'live' is not and the 'Perth 1982 concert' does not contain one nanosecond of the actual 1982 Perth concert. **I'm sure I've screwed up the Perth tracklisting again. Heiko will be along shortly to set me straight :) >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] What IS the I-Box? >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:40:59 EST > >Since I was at Tower eyeballing this one AGAIN last night, it is probably >timely to ask everyone here is this worth my $54? > >I have 0 compilations of old albums, as it seems there are far too many, >and >how many times do you need to own excerpts of Stratosfear,Alpha Centauri >and >Zeit,etc,etc if you have the whole thng? It seems these collections always >just chop up previously released tracks with a few new ones,and who knows >where those come from! So is this worth it? >And how about Tangents, the Virgin box? Is that another case of 'buy 4 old >cd's and get one new one? I see there is a whole disc of new stuff there, >but >again are these just leftovers? Basically yes, 4 old CDs and 1 new one. And the tracks on that new disc are mostly forgettible except for the excerpted re-edited Silver Scale track. (Edgar has yet to release this wonderful 1981 theme untouched anywhere). Tangents is a nicely designed box with a good biography about TD. The actual music is all retouched snippets of 1974-1983 albums. This box is what coined the term 'Tangentization' which is a term that's stuck in describing all efforts by Edgar to modify/upgrade/retouch/edit/fluff/improve original concert tapes with strings and ethereal twinklings on his snazzy year 2000 equipment. The first 3 CDs are a compilation of their albums except for 'Logos Blue' and 'Phaedra 88' which are actually 2 very cool complete reworkings of those 2 familiar themes which premiered in 1986 at Tangerine Dream concerts and are STILL heard as recently as 1998 during TD concerts during the 'Vintage Set' half of the show where they recap various old TD themes. If you have Antique Dreams and i-Box then you have both Phaedra 88 and Logos 88 already. Disc 4 is entirely Soundtrack snippets (previously released). Disc 5 is the aforementioned 'unreleased tracks' disc. The only track of note is an edited down Silver Scale. One day, probably 15 years from now, when we're all listening to other artists, Edgar, Jerome, or some lawyer will put out the untouched 17 minute+ Silver Scale suite/track. At least Tangents has interesting graphic design on the box, and in the booklet and CDs. Dream Roots has lots of nice photos (too small tho!). i-Box looks like Photoshop and Kai's Power Tools exploded on a cardboard box. No graphic design whatsoever. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Frank, If you must, put me down for: 1. Dream Mixes I (almost the whole thing) 2. TimeSquare (half) 3. Oasis (for 2 tracks) 4. 220 Volt (most of it) >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Okay, I thought I'd give you all an idea how things are shaping up so far >based on 27 qualified entries. Dan Oakley, I need your revised one. Morgan, >sorry, but your's was obviously disqualified _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Dream Roots box set - question Hey there all, just wanted to take a second to ask a quick question. I was in Best Buy yesterday, and saw A FIVE CD set of the Dream Roots Collection that really caught my eye. I'm only a fairly new TD fan, and have had some luck obtaining live material (although never as much as I'd LIKE, anyone interested in helping out, I'd DEFINATELY appreciate it if you could e-mail me off the list. I'm only able to provide Cds (2-1 swaps or what-not is ok with me, just whatever I can do). I DO have some live material of TD, but seems everyone on here always seems to already have it (GRIN) BUT going back to what I'd asked, Is this Dream Roots collection 5 Cd set worth it? I know nothing about that period of music, so thought I'd ask. AND for the price under $50 for all the 5 Cds, thought it was a heck of a deal. Anyone help out? Thanks. There were actually TWO box sets of this available, so it'll most likely be there. Also, another question. 'the best of Tangerine Dream' that I saw was a 2 Cd set, anyone have comments about this? thanks for the help. The folks on this list have always been GREAT about answering questions. It's much appreciated. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26246 Re: Dream Roots box set - question Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 3 KB 26263 Re: Dream Roots box set - question C. Chambers Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots box set - question >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Hey there all, just wanted to take a second to ask a quick question. I was >in Best Buy yesterday, and saw A FIVE CD set of the Dream Roots Collection >that really caught my eye. > >Is this Dream Roots collection 5 Cd set worth it? I know nothing about that >period of music, so thought I'd ask. AND for the price under $50 for all >the 5 Cds, thought it was a heck of a deal. The first CD is 1971-1973 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized CDs 2-4 are 1984-1987 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized plus the 1987 Tyger initial release-exclusive tracks (which were lost in the 1992 Tyger release) CD 5 is unreleased music. Valley of the Sun is the best track on here. As to whether $45 is worth it for 1 CD of unreleased 1985 music and 2 Tyger tracks is up to you. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26263 Re: Dream Roots box set - question C. Chambers Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 1:26 am Subject: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage My webpage just changed today also. Please update your links and note my new e-mail address in the header. NEW web page for Vic Rek: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm Old was: http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm Also keep any eye out for the Okefenokee SwampPak 21 offer to be out soon and don't forget that the event start April 20, 2001 in Southern Georgia USA. Vic NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all, > > NEW Name of my Tangerine Dream Fan-Homepage: please add this to your links (thank you): > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > the other Name is no more available. > > The New Homepage has was also updated at: 03.03.2001 > Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de > > Regards > Heiko > from Burg/Germany > > See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26265 Re: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB 26280 Re: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage Victor Rek Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. 1) Zoning 2) Goblin's Club 3) Dream Mixes I 4) What A Blast 5) 220Volt Regards Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26249 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Richard Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message <004301c0a49d$3ae6d140$3c9801d4@s...>, Lawry Simm writes >After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. > >1) Zoning >2) Goblin's Club >3) Dream Mixes I >4) What A Blast >5) 220Volt > >Regards >Lawry I have to agree with Zoning. One of the best things to be released in recent years. Proves it can still be done. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOqIwUDBWmWbUzpzAEQKW1ACg5ikc2znc2rz4vN8LH7Lb9wmt4bwAoJH4 mB/ApH8ZMk4IOxQVCPv44ID/ =ea21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:19 pm Subject: Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message <004301c0a49d$3ae6d140$3c9801d4@s...>, Lawry Simm > writes > >After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. > > > >1) Zoning > >2) Goblin's Club > >3) Dream Mixes I > >4) What A Blast > >5) 220Volt > > > >Regards > >Lawry > > Only just got Zoning after first play quite impressed after a few more maybe it could have made it into my top 5. Gary. > > - -- > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOqIwUDBWmWbUzpzAEQKW1ACg5ikc2znc2rz4vN8LH7Lb9wmt4bwAoJH4 > mB/ApH8ZMk4IOxQVCPv44ID/ > =ea21 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Vinyl ? Hi everyone and a query regarding vinyl electronica. Does anyone still yearn after long deleted vinyl albums. The reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting rid of the remains of my vinyl collection being as... a. I never play them any more. b. I have to keep finding places to put them. I will be looking to trade for CD's of material I either a. I haven't got b. I'd like to get on CD c. 'Live' material that I don't have If I get a positive feedback I'll put together a list of available stuff for those who may be interested ( includes T.Dream vinyl ). What do group members think is a fair trade ? Bear in mind also that I'm in the UK and postage to other countries may be on the expensive side. Thanks and ATB Phil NP Matthias Thurow 'Cornucopia' ( Erdenklang CD from 1987 ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26254 Re: Vinyl ? Feldon Feldon Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set The first 4 CDs are previously released material, remixed, edited, and otherwise Tangentized. The tangentizations on disc 1 aren't bad, the other 3 discs are a mixed bag. Also, a few of the tracks from the long-out-of-print 1987 version of Tyger (which has several differences) appear here. Disc 5 is unreleased music from 1985 by Edgar and Chris. -Morgan >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'TaDreamList' >Subject: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:38 -0500 > >Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, >but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if >not, here's the post :) > >I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for >all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you >cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone >has always been wonderful about helping out. >Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live >recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a >swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone >interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND >same goes with the information about Dream Roots. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's > > Ano, ano mysle wiec jestem :) MYSLIWYM ! (ze zlotych mysli Raydena) :) Rayden > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > my Top Five: > > > > > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > > > 2. 220 Volt > > > 3. Tournado > > > 4. Transsiberia > > > 5. Mars Polaris > > > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. > > > > Rayden (z nasluchu) > > > > P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! > > > -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- > Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. > Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to > join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the > distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vinyl ? There is always continued and renewed interest in vinyl. I can't wait for the home vinyl recording units to come out. They'll probably cost $1,000 at first, but vinyl is for enthusiasts anyway. (And yes, there really is one coming out!) -Morgan >From: 'Phil White' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Vinyl ? >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:22:31 -0000 > >Hi everyone and a query regarding vinyl electronica. > >Does anyone still yearn after long deleted vinyl albums. >The reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting rid of the >remains of my vinyl collection being as... >a. I never play them any more. >b. I have to keep finding places to put them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list regardless. tom -- On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:41:21 Mark Coyle wrote: >Hi all, Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26256 Re: Mark Coyle Mark Coyle Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26258 Re: Mark Coyle tom george Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB 26259 Re: Mark Coyle tom george Sun 3/4/2001 5 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle Hi > is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list regardless. > tom Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering why your name was so familar! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Help with Winamp Anyone? Hey there all, sorry to have to send this online. I have Real Audio as my default mp3 file player, and was told about SHOUTCAST which is supposed to be a totally awesome player through winamp, however, the problem is, I cannot change it where Winamp and the plug-ins are my default player. Real Audio keeps popping up, AND I even went as far as DELETING this shitty program, but then it tells me on my PC 'realplay.exe not found' so that means I have to literally HAVE the Real Audio on my PC> Any way I can change this, where it will ONLY WORK on winamp? AND Winamp is the only thing that will pop up? thanks for any help, and let me know how I can REMOVE this REal Audio crap. It stinks, and I want winamp to be my default Mp3 player, but have no clue HOW to change this where it works, and REal Audio won't show up. e-mail me off the list. much appreciated. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26266 Re: Help with Winamp Anyone? Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle ha ha...great to see your musical tastes are infinite. there are a few more posts here then over at Bruton, but this way you get more musical bang for your buck. speaking of musical bang are #4 and #5 ready yet? well take care and look forward to your posts on both lists. tom -- On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:54:51 Mark Coyle wrote: >Hi > >> is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list >regardless. >> tom > >Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering >why your name was so familar! >cheers >Mark > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle correction...i meant to say #5 and #6. np-Lords of Acid-'Farstucker' man what an aural treat this is. these people are masters of sounds and the studio. sorry for the no TD content. oh wait here is some TD content. for all the members in Germany you might want to get the Marz 2001 catalog from JPC courier. it has a large page and a half advert for TD with the title 'The Ultimate Tangerine Dream Collection' and it shows all the albums from 'Ambient Monkeys' up to 'GWOC' (no 7 letters) including the older ones with new covers such as: '220 Volt' 'Rockoon' 'TOB' 'Oasis' and 'CD'. there is a paragraph of text under each cd but in German. tom -- On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:30:18 tom george wrote: > ha ha...great to see your musical tastes are infinite. >there are a few more posts here then over at Bruton, but this way you get more musical bang for your buck. >speaking of musical bang are #4 and #5 ready yet? well >take care and look forward to your posts on both lists. >tom >-- > >On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:54:51 > Mark Coyle wrote: >>Hi >> >>> is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list >>regardless. >>> tom >> >>Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering >>why your name was so familar! >>cheers >>Mark >> >> > >>_________________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> >>---------------------------------------------------~-~ >>Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >>As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: >> >>As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: >> >>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >>Website: http://www.tadream.net >>----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > >Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. >FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: More about vinyl Hi all, Further to my earlier posting regarding vinyl disposal.... I now have produced a list for anyone who wishes to express an interest in same ? There are 104 titles in all including 17 Tangerine Dream items ( mainly movie soundtracks ). Also 8 Schulze recordings including 'x' and 'Audentity' For any other details regarding condition please e-mail me off list and I will be pleased to mail you a full list of available titles. I only have one of each and when they are gone they are gone ! ATB Phil NP Terra Firma 'Turtle Crossing' From: Aeonblue@a... 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ID Date Size 26307 Re: aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield Feldon Feldon Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 12:47 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > [cut] > Paul Hi! I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, UK. I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, contact me on wyslannik@y... Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) Polaris [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26267 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Matthew Stringer Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Roots box set - question > > The first CD is 1971-1973 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized > CDs 2-4 are 1984-1987 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized > plus the 1987 Tyger initial release-exclusive tracks > (which were lost in the 1992 Tyger release) What was different about the Tyger release? I have the original Vinyl and CD. Something was dropped or changed from these to the later releases? Thanks for any info. Craig From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FS: Blank Cassettes hey ken- I didn't understand. you mean you have blank cassette tapes to trade?? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Beal [mailto:kwb10@c...] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:04 PM > To: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com > Cc: tadream@yahoogroups.com; spacemusic@egroups.com; > ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com; beyond_em@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] FS: Blank Cassettes > > > Howdy All... > > Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found > the following: > > 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes > 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes > 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette > 1 TDK MA90 Cassette > > All are still sealed in their original packaging. > > I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am > willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream > related items as barter. > > > Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... > > Ken > > ********************************************** > The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' > So I bought a Macintosh. > ********************************************** > To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost > too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included > in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a s BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Update for Vic Rek's Homepage not much discussion so far about Okefenokee - right around the corner, but the info from last year is still at http://www.tadream.net if you need it. I'll update it with the SwampPak 21 info when Vic sends it... wish I could go this year. > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] ... > > Also keep any eye out for the Okefenokee SwampPak 21 offer to > be out soon and don't forget that the event start April 20, > 2001 in Southern Georgia USA. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Help with Winamp Anyone? Open Winamp. Hit CTRL-P on your computer keyboard. Under Setup > Filetypes, click 'Select All'. Close. Reboot. > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] ... > through winamp, however, the problem is, I cannot change it > where Winamp and the plug-ins are my default player. Real From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I'm going, I've been away for the last two weeks and have an lot of work to do as a result. Apologies for people stuck in my tree, I'll contact soon Matt On Monday 05 March 2001 12:47, you wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to > > Shepherd's Bush > > > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if > > you're > > > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > [cut] > > > Paul > > Hi! > > I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. > About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, > member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, > UK. > I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going > to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities > and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, > contact me on wyslannik@y... > > Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) > Polaris > [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH > (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH >my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Dream Mixes site open TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': http://www.dream-mixes.de/ The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' proved that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' Yeah, whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Anyway, here's the track listing: 01. Prime Time 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) 03. Stereolight 04. Diamonds and Dust 05. Blue Spears 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) 08. The spirit of the Czar 09. The Comfort Zone The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest of you think? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26271 Re: Dream Mixes site open Feldon Feldon Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB 26279 Re: Dream Mixes site open Gabe Yedid Tue 3/6/2001 4 KB 26283 Re: Dream Mixes site open glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB 26289 Re: Dream Mixes site open j.gordon Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: SBE An addition to the list of people who'll be going - Dave (my husband the ex-C&W fan) will also be there: it is _his_ birthday treat, after all! We'll be travelling from Edinburgh, probably by cheap flight early on Saturday morning, if anybody wants to link up. I'm looking forward to meeting some of you. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27204 SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27206 Re: SBE wyslannik@y... Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27205 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27207 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 28441 Re: SBE horrod6 Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28459 Re: SBE David Foster Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB 33014 SBE fozziebear Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33037 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: DM 3 Hi re. DM 3 site downloaded Meng Tian mix quite like this good to boogy too should get us going at SBE, bit worrying they have put the date for the gig on 13/05/01 when the rest of us will be turning up on the 12th. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26363 DM 3 Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB 26364 Re: DM 3 Greg Sat 3/10/2001 4 KB 26371 Re: DM 3 Sean Montgomery Sat 3/10/2001 5 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open >From: Sean Montgomery >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:45:10 -0500 > >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the >upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >Anyway, here's the track listing: > >01. Prime Time >02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix)* >03. Stereolight* >04. Diamonds and Dust* >05. Blue Spears >06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix)* >07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001)* >08. The spirit of the Czar* >09. The Comfort Zone > >The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I >hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first >Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things >forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a >sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with >mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound >design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest >of you think? I agree completely. It's like another Mars Polaris track. The first 40 seconds had great promise and I was really hoping for a lot. But then, well, you can imagine the rest. Hear it for yourself. I have to give Tangerine Dream points for not giving us a crippled, super-compressed preview mp3, but in fact the full 8 1/2 minute track at decent mp3 quality so we can really have a good listen and judge for ourselves. A lot of trust involved there. Note that Dream Mixes 3 contains all 6 of the Ground Liftaz 12' vinyl singles. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Ed and Jerry's top 5 In order: 220 Volt Oasis DD Bonus Timesquare Quinoa (ext) From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: TDI Side update: 05. March 2001 Hi all, the TDI Web - Side was updated at 05. March 2001 www.tdi-music-mall.de and a NEW Tangerine Dream Web - Side was born: www.dreammixes.de or www.dreammixes.com both are available and both are the same . Dream on heiko Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de (update: 03.03.2001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: FW: Ed and Jerry's top 5 Please change number 5 from Quinoa to Goblin's Club for me. > -----Original Message----- > > 220 Volt > Oasis > DD Bonus > Timesquare > Quinoa (ext) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 Hi all, I just noticed that the 'Dream Mixes' wesite is up at: www.dreammixes.com Available is the tracklist for Dream Mixes 3 as well as a FULL LENGTH mp3 of the remix of Meng Tien from the disc. Tracklist is: 01. Prime Time 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) 03. Stereolight 04. Diamonds and Dust 05. Blue Spears 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) 08. The spirit of the Czar 09. The comfort Zone James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26282 Re: Dream Mixes 3 Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB 26305 Re: Dream Mixes 3 Frank Arellano Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created Hello there, As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority of members have absolutely no interest in. I'll try and post some useful stuff there myself, seeing that as far as I'm aware I'm the only London resident who is going to the show. Bear in mind, though, that I'm in the middle of preparations for a move to Paris and don't have too much spare time at present. Just an experiment. I can always kill the group if it doesn't work out. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26277 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB 26281 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 9:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created FWIW, I don't look at it as 'noise' at all. I'm thrilled that you can all gather here to make plans to gather in person. That's what the list about, pretty much. continue here on-list, or take it to a new list- whatever you're comfortable with. It's not like this happens veryoften anyway. If people are 'upset' about it, they can just go loosen their panties a little. ;-) BTW: What is the name and address of the bar where everybody's meeting again? Did you contact the bar? Are there any details that people should know about? reply and I'll post some info on tadream.net for our European site visitors to view. nd aAs I mentioned before, any new Okefenokee info/planning is welcome here, too. The date is sneaking up on us, and has been overshadowed a bit by other news, but this is still happening, AFAIK. Joes > -----Original Message----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created > > > Hello there, > > As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in > May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that > we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel > questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is > creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority > of members have absolutely no interest in. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26281 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: Fwd: [Dominion] Re: the after lifes mailing list Hi The following appeared on The Sisters of Mercy list today. I believe the TD track is usually 'Fly & Collision of Cosmos Sola' from Alpha Centauri. Of course, when I saw them last in Glasgow they played something very different! Brian ---------------------------- From: 'Stuart Czuba' To: 'Dominion' Subject: [Dominion] Re: the after lifes mailing list Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:37:18 -0000 List-Id: Sisters mailing list X-BeenThere: dominion@t... Why do 600 people need to know about the settings of other peoples Mail software? And why would someone think the other 599 care enough to tell them? And while I'm here, the intro tape each night ran something like T Rex, Status Quo, a couple of Mark E Smith techno numbers and then the Tangerine Dream number started slowly drifting in and out of a slow accoustic based song with a guy singing in German (anyone know what this is?) before the Shirelles and flute/drums from TD. Tin Star are a far better support band than Paradise Lost. Stu _______________________________________________ Dominion mailing list Dominion@t... http://toybox.twisted.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dominion _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 4:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open >===== Original Message From Sean Montgomery ===== >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the >upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've >come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' proved >that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' >Yeah, whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Well, at the time of DM I's release, there was at least a small grain (salt size? ;) of truth to this statement. I've stated at least twice on the list--and which you agreed with!--that 'Rough Embrace' could have made a good competitor for Robert Miles' 'Children' (although that was, admittedly, more a radio-friendly Eurodance-pop tune than serious club music), and, in 1995, might well have worked in large, commercial dance clubs. I would have to concur, however, that subsequent albums (including DM II) failed to keep pace and deliver on the promise of DM I. In fact, it might be worth debating as to whether or not DM I's success hurt the band later, since the more techno-ified style featured on the album would become a staple of subsequent albums, wearing it out faster than might otherwise have been the case. >The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I >hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first >Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things >forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. It's hard to put a lot of fancy improvements over a weak foundation that won't hold them. Personally, I never understood why 'Meng Tian' garnered the strong favourable reaction it did, and I really think that Jerome could have made a better choice than this one--aside from its strong bass line, this track leaves me pretty cold. It just sort of gets up and does what it does but never really seems to get going (or go anywhere interesting). It had nothing to do with it sounding dated; good old stuff is still good (as so many fans of classic TD love pointing out over and over...) If it's not a good remix, it's because it was a weak track to begin with. Certainly not the best online preview for the album, especially given that it contains both one of TD's bona fide (IMO) hits in 'Astrophobia', and reconstructions of 70s and 80s material. >design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. Maybe I shouldn't point this out, but that seems to be a habit of yours lately. ;) >SEAN MONTGOMERY Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 4:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Update for Vic Rek's Homepage I wish I had extra time to make a nice Okefenokee web-page to let all the fans enjoy (maybe after Oke 2001 where we expect around 20 people). My web page ( http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm ) has a link to Marcel's page that gives more info on the event. I'm preparing my SwampPak 21 offer for Oke-2001 this week. I'll post it here along with info about the upcoming event. Vic > not much discussion so far about Okefenokee - right around the corner, but > the info from last year is still at http://www.tadream.net if you need it. > I'll update it with the SwampPak 21 info when Vic sends it... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:53 am Subject: Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created OK, I'll bin it. However, no complaining is allowed when, nearer the time, the list starts to fill up with dozens of 'Re: Shepherds Bush meeting'-type messages :-) Glynn --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > FWIW, I don't look at it as 'noise' at all. I'm thrilled that you can all > gather here to make plans to gather in person. That's what the list about, > pretty much. continue here on-list, or take it to a new list- whatever > you're comfortable with. It's not like this happens veryoften anyway. If > people are 'upset' about it, they can just go loosen their panties a little. > ;-) > > BTW: What is the name and address of the bar where everybody's meeting > again? Did you contact the bar? Are there any details that people should > know about? reply and I'll post some info on tadream.net for our European > site visitors to view. > > nd aAs I mentioned before, any new Okefenokee info/planning is welcome here, > too. The date is sneaking up on us, and has been overshadowed a bit by > other news, but this is still happening, AFAIK. > > Joes > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in > > May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that > > we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel > > questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is > > creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority > > of members have absolutely no interest in. > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 'Owens, James' schrieb: > Tracklist is: > 01. Prime Time > 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) > 03. Stereolight > 04. Diamonds and Dust > 05. Blue Spears > 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) > 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) > 08. The spirit of the Czar > 09. The comfort Zone So there are only 3 as yet unreleased tracks on this CD (Prime time, Blue spears & The comfort zone), the rest you can find on the Dream mixes 3 pre-release vinyls which were released 4 months ago...a bit disappointing if you'd ask me :-( Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: Dream Mixes site open >From: Sean Montgomery >Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:45pm >Subject: Dream Mixes site open > > >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about >the upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've >come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' >proved >that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' Yeah, >whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Be fair - it's called advertising, and would still have been there if TD did not have their own label. Take a look at some of the flowery promotional stuff written about them by Miramar or indeed Virgin. In my last job, I once suggested that we take a new approach to promoting the company, and instead of the usual claptrap, we should simply say something along the lines of 'We're a small software development consultancy which is just like every other small consultancy, so use us if you want, but use someone else if it's more convenient.' I got an incredulous stare from the marketing manager... Glynn From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 1:51 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Hi again everyone. I just thought I'd add a few more comments to the subject, but bare in mind I haven't received for some reason digests Nos 813 & 814, and I'd rather not go through Yahoo! groups as it takes an eternity to open up, so I have one or two favours to ask. So far, from the information I have received, I've managed to collate votes from the following: Myself, Bert Hulshoff Heiko Heerssen Peter Ravn J. Gordon Rolf Elfstrom Utch Entel Brian Stewart Sean Montgomery Steven Feldman Gary Jenkins Joe Shoults James E. Jacoby Uwe Heiko Neumann Daniel Hobrecht Bob (pw098) Poul Erik Piotr S. Millenium Frank Arellano Morgan Lawry Simm With the kind exception of those whose lists featured in Digest 814 and were repeated in Digest 815, I don't know the votes cast by those who did so in digests 813 & 814. (And I assume my other comments were featured in Digest 813), so Frank, as the co- collator of this chart, can you forward me those whose lists I haven't yet received? As yet I haven't had Digest 817 posted. I'd like to add my comments to Zoning - I think this is a seriously underestimated album, and had my list extended to the Top 10, I think it would have featured at either 6 or 7. Indeed, my other choices for 6-10 would have been Goblins Club, Turn of the Tides, 220 Volt and What A Blast! Now the albums I didn't feature in my original list - Hopefully you read my comments regards Jim & Pablo and the CD given with the Millenium Pack (if they were published in one of those missing digests), but as regards Dream Encores - this is effectively a compilation, and certainly not all the tracks are Eddy & Jerry. This also goes for Tang-go - although the vast majority are E & J, some are not - and they all come from existing albums anyway (or the Dream Dice EP). Now we know DM 3 is not released until May (presumably to coincide with the London concert), I suggest we let this one run until the end of March. Okay, I think that's it. 35 of you voted for the best TD album last time around - there's now over 400 of you out there. Where the hell are you all? Let us all know what your favourite Eddy & Jerry albums are! Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26288 Re: Eddy & Jerry Joe Shoults Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB 26362 Re: Eddy & Jerry Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26295 Re: Eddy & Jerry ohmss76@a... Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:05 pm Subject: Re: Sony Center disc 'Matt, Dream Encore and Sony Center aren't on Roger's list either.' Isn't the extra CD given with the Millenium booster the 'Sony center' disc? Roger Hartopp -- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Poll results for tadream The following tadream poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: The Weekly Studio/Soundtrack Album Discussions are winding down to a close. Some have suggested continuing with weekly Bootleg discussions; some have suggested covering the Solo works of the artists. Let us know what you would prefer in this poll. Discussions will follow a chronological format either way. CHOICES AND RESULTS - discuss Boots/fan CDRs, 15 votes, 32.61% - discuss Solo works, 21 votes, 45.65% - discuss neither, 1 votes, 2.17% - discuss both simultaneously, 9 votes, 19.57% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36385 Poll results for tadream tadream@yahoogroups.com Sat 9/28/2002 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) Paul ps . How will i know who everybody is in the pub ? http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Stringer To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > I'm going, I've been away for the last two weeks and have an lot of work to > do as a result. > > Apologies for people stuck in my tree, I'll contact soon > > Matt > > On Monday 05 March 2001 12:47, you wrote: > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to > > > > Shepherd's Bush > > > > > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if > > > > you're > > > > > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > > > [cut] > > > > > Paul > > > > Hi! > > > > I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. > > About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, > > member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, > > UK. > > I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going > > to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities > > and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, > > contact me on wyslannik@y... > > > > Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) > > Polaris > > [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH > > (can burn copies), click here: > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH > >my address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > > address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry You know Roger, you could run this as a poll on yahoogroups if you want to at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls it will track, graph and permanently store the results. Perhaps a bit easier than tracking results yourself. in fact, the polling section is open to anyone. if you want to run a poll yourself, just go there and create it. I just closed the poll that I forgot was running: 'should we discuss bootlegs or solo works now that the weekly album discussions are finished?'. note that it is not HTML-friendly, like it used to be back when it was onelist.com. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] ... > Okay, I think that's it. 35 of you voted for the best TD album last > time around - there's now over 400 of you out there. Where the hell > are you all? Let us all know what your favourite Eddy & Jerry > albums are! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26362 Re: Eddy & Jerry Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open > The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I > hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first > Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things > forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a > sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with > mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound > design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest > of you think? i would have to agree, on all counts... it sounds like a track that never made it onto MP, this being due to the fact that they use many of the same voices... agreed with Morgan that the first 40 seconds (and would have to add another 6 or 7 seconds to cover the transition) was ripe with promise that never pans out... *sigh*... with the catalog of pieces to choose from, both to remix and to have as being the promo tune, this does not seem to be the best choice, from my perspective... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush lawlermusic wrote: > > I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . > Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) Quite the contrary! On the list posted by David Foster, you are referred as THE musician :-) Antonio Nunes From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people sat in the corner lol. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26294 Re: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush lawlermusic Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB 26298 Re: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: [tadream] The best TD sound ever Hi all, The following article in the March 2001 issue (number 259) of Record Collector has come to my attention and thought you'd be interested... **** RING THAT BELL As the battle to supersede CD hots up between exponents of Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD Audio (DVDA), Virgin plan to issue around two-dozen classic albums as stereo SACDs over the coming year. In addition, they've collaborated with Philips/Sony to produce SACDs that feature not only CD remastered stereo and SACD stereo versions of an album, but also a multi-channel version based on original quadrophonic tape sources. The first such release is the 10-million-selling 1973 MIKE OLDFIELD album, 'Tubular Bells', which those who've heard it say is stunning. It's accompanied by a new booklet with revised artwork, sleevenotes by the original producer and surround mixer, and card inserts. 'Tubular Bells' may be followed by other issues from Oldfield's early quadrophonically-recorded catalogue, along with albums by TANGERINE DREAM. Virgin are also not ruling out DVDA releases in the future, although none have yet been commercially released in the UK. Other labels releasing SACDs this year include Chesky, the Italian audiophile specialists Fone, Turtle, Groove Note, Opus 3, Audioquest and Sony itself, which has already released several classic titles such as Jeff Beck's 'Blow By Blow', Carole King's 'Tapestry' and Celine Dion's 'All The Way', as well as sets from Mariah Carey, Bob Dylan and Ricky Martin. These and other SACDs can be acquired from: Vivante, Unit 4, 60 High Street, Hampton Wick, Surrey KT1 4DB; fax: 020 8977 4445; sales@v... (Before we replaced our vinyls with CDs, now we'll have to replace our CDs with SACDs :-)) Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Middle aged people wearing an impressive array of TD/Ramones/Motorhead (possibly) t-shirts, ex fan-club badges and if Conrad has anything to do with it, name badges (God forbid!) :-) ---------- >De : 'Gary Jenkins' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mar 6 mars 2001 19:54 > > Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have > any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people > sat in the corner lol. > Cheers Gary > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26321 Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Paul Fellows Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26329 Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds B Joe Shoults Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26338 Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds B Brian Stewart Thu 3/8/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have > any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people > sat in the corner lol. > Cheers Gary > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ohmss76@a... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Ok Roger:) I give....here's my five! 220 Volt - that guitar work on Hamlet is just killer!!! Rockoon Turn of the Tides Goblin's Club The Hollywood Years Vol. 1 - enough decent cues on there to keep me happy:) All the best, SeanA From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush For the record I think that was on someone else's list. I haven't been compiling one. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > > > lawlermusic wrote: > > > > I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . > > Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) > > Quite the contrary! On the list posted by David Foster, you are referred > as THE musician :-) > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush David Foster wrote: > > For the record I think that was on someone else's list. I haven't been > compiling one. You're right, sorry. BTW, even if I'll not go to Shepherd's Bush, the messages about this subject don't upset me at all, and I'm looking forward to reading the messages after the show. Antonio Nunes From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I are out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead t-shirt might get me arrested! Best wishes Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >sat in the corner lol. >Cheers Gary > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Soungmill Navigator Hi folks, Brand new to the list here. I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any information regarding this would be helpful. I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere close to here. Thank you. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Miles, above are some posts over the last year from various members which you might find a suitable response to your request. Kindest regards, Morgan. --------------------------------------------------- From: Airwave Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:57:59 +0100 Hi gang. Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I just had to do something about it. After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning it is very easy to remove. The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise could easily have been removed before [Edgar played all new year 2000 sounds on top of it] and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had felt the end result was below normal standard, and it clearly is IMO. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Morgan M.' Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:14 CDT [...] And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. [...] -------------------------------------------------- Hi Gang, this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with you) into second place! I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on ! You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. Yours with deep respect, Steve ----------------------------------------------------------- >From: 'Miles MacMillan' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:28:08 -0800 > >Hi folks, > >Brand new to the list here. > >I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering >why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was >wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 >into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the >CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I >received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded >the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same >noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have >to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version >of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any >information regarding this would be helpful. >I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word >that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen >Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere >close to here. Just to let you know, the concert tour in the US (if it happens, very skeptical) will be a promotional tour for the Dream Mixes 3 album, which is entirely dance music. Just thought you ought to know. I might go just to be in the same room with Edgar Froese. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:45 am Subject: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. MINI WANT LIST: 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 5. Oasis TDI CD009 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK (Virgin XV 2068) 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me if you're interested. And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for these days??? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26304 Re: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket herold.u@t... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26310 Re: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Victor Rek Wed 3/7/2001 5 KB From: 'tadream' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 My top 5 220 Volt Mars Polaris Oasis Rumplestiltskin Dream Mixes I --Bennett From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 4:42 am Subject: Mini Want List Hi Vic! I can help you out with the Haslinger CD. Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26309 Re: Mini Want List Victor Rek Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Hi Vic, i can help you out with the 'European' TDi releases. Contact me off-list. mailto: herold.u@t... cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Victor Rek' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket > Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. > These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have > an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that > I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. > > MINI WANT LIST: > 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD > 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 > 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 > 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 > 5. Oasis TDI CD009 > 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 > Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). > These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of > the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. > Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years > Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! > > 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release > 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK > (Virgin XV 2068) > 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 > 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 > > Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me > if you're interested. > > And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for > these days??? > > Vic > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 Not for us that don't have or couldn't afford the vinyls. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 > > > 'Owens, James' schrieb: > > > Tracklist is: > > 01. Prime Time > > 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) > > 03. Stereolight > > 04. Diamonds and Dust > > 05. Blue Spears > > 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) > > 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) > > 08. The spirit of the Czar > > 09. The comfort Zone > > So there are only 3 as yet unreleased tracks on this CD (Prime time, Blue spears & The comfort zone), the rest you can find on the Dream mixes 3 pre-release vinyls which were released 4 months ago...a bit > disappointing if you'd ask me :-( > > Heiko > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Soungmill Navigator Welcome to the list, Miles. Enjoy :o) Poul I've never seen TD live as well, but I think we ought to persuade TD to come 'round Scandinavia first :o) They've never been here ( to my knowledge ). And a lot of us scandinvians would like to see them here ASAP. OK, a joke, but still....I think TD owe us a tour around these parts :o) > Hi folks, > > Brand new to the list here. > I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere close to here. > > Thank you. > > Miles MacMillan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield God that's an absolute fortune! You can get a Plextor 12x burner, 10x rewrite, 32x audio read for $20 less than that. You can write a music CD in just under 7 minutes and read an entire 74 minute CD (no skips) to your hard drive in 175 SECONDS! And the rewrite speed is 10 times faster than a Zip drive. On that Aiwa, it takes 38 minutes to copy a music CD. On the Plextor? 10 minutes. Plus, I can use 50 cent blanks (Memorex Platinum seem to perform the best). The Aiwa one you mention requires special $2 Audio CD-R blanks. Not to burst your bubble, but I hate to see people ripped off. And standalone is an absolute ripoff. And the days of having to 'leave your computer alone while you burn' are gone. The Plextor described above, when connected on its own IDE cable or on a $40 ATA/66 controller card is not affected by computer activity. You can do light web browsing, chatting, playing mp3s, etc. And if you accidentially tie up the computer for a few moments, the burner can stop (with the appropriate, included software), and start again without hurting the disc. It's called Burnproof technology, and it came out last year. I have 2 of the Plextors, I love em and recommend them to everyone. -Morgan >From: Aeonblue@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:38:16 EST > >I know this isn't exactly on topic, but there are alot of people looking >for a good standalone burner. > >HREF='http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6w4PqAQ7TjW/ProdView.asp?I=570XCRW70\ 0'>http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6w4PqAQ7TjW/ProdView.asp?I=570XCRW700 > >Crutchfield is having a great sale on a Awia Cd recorder. I ordered one >and absolutely love it! It's 399 bucks at best buy but crutchfield has >it for 299! This is a great company to order from and has a wonderful >return >program if it doesn't work out. Also, they have a referal program where >you get an additional 25 dollars off if you use my referal code: 20686263 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: colin_anderson@o... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:42 am Subject: Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 Dream Mixes Timesquare Tournado Rockoon Goblins Club Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26339 Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 Rimas Lazutka Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List Thanks Rick! What do you want for it? I have some Russians CDs if you're interested. Vic rbrown4856@a... wrote: > Hi Vic! > > I can help you out with the Haslinger CD. > > Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Hi Uwe, Thank you and I just may be interested. I will get back to you this evening with some more details. What would you like for them? Vic herold.u@t... wrote: > Hi Vic, > > i can help you out with the 'European' TDi releases. > Contact me off-list. > mailto: herold.u@t... > > cheers, > Uwe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Victor Rek' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:45 AM > Subject: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket > > > Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. > > These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have > > an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that > > I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. > > > > MINI WANT LIST: > > 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD > > 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 > > 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 > > 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 > > 5. Oasis TDI CD009 > > 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 > > Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). > > These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of > > the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. > > Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years > > Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! > > > > 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release > > 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK > > (Virgin XV 2068) > > 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 > > 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 > > > > Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me > > if you're interested. > > > > And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for > > these days??? > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:34 pm Subject: Re: The best TD sound ever / Mike Oldfield anyone? Hi Paul, that's very interesting news. It's going to be a treat to hear the quad version! Thanks for the info, might just have to upgrade to an SACD player. That format seems to be very well thought through, since SACD discs are backwards compatible with CD players. Read more below... > Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:33:33 +0100 > From: 'Paul Fellows' > Subject: The best TD sound ever > Hi all, > The following article in the March 2001 issue (number 259) of Record Collector has come to my attention and thought you'd be interested... > **** > RING THAT BELL > As the battle to supersede CD hots up between exponents of Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD Audio (DVDA), Virgin plan to issue around two-dozen classic albums as stereo SACDs over the coming year. In addition, they've collaborated with Philips/Sony to produce SACDs that feature not only CD remastered stereo and SACD stereo versions of an album, but also a multi-channel version based on original quadrophonic tape sources. The first such release is the 10-million-selling 1973 MIKE OLDFIELD album, 'Tubular Bells', which those who've heard it say is stunning. It's accompanied by a new booklet with revised artwork, sleevenotes by the original producer and surround mixer, and card inserts. * Are there a lot of Mike Oldfield fans on the list??? I have plenty of old picture 7'singles and pretty hard to get items if anyone's interested... Contact me offline, please. > (Before we replaced our vinyls with CDs, now we'll have to replace our CDs with SACDs :-)) * I did it the other way around and replaced as many of my CDs with vinyl instead... heh! Don't need anything sounding better than my dear vintage vinyl. Thomas From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:38 pm Subject: Eddy and Jerry top five Here are my favorites: 1. 220 Volt live 2. Dream Mixes 3. Mars Polaris 4. I havn't heard all of Dream Mixes 3 yet obviously, but the 12'single are pretty fabulous, especially 'Stereolight', so I take my chances with the other tracks on that upcoming CD and place it fourth. 5. Goblins Club Thomas From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. why even get an external anyway? internals are under $100. I just saw an external USB CDRW for $158US at pricewatch.com -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon God that's an absolute fortune! You can get a Plextor 12x burner, 10x rewrite, 32x audio read for $20 less than that. ... >From: Aeonblue@a... ... >Crutchfield is having a great sale on a Awia Cd recorder. I ordered one >and absolutely love it! It's 399 bucks at best buy but crutchfield has From: veine@v... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Complete list of fan recordings Hello; I'm fairly new to the list, but am enjoying all the mails that I recieve aboout my all time favorite group. :) I've been a TD fan since the mid 80's and am trying desperately to fill my collection, and when I think I'm kinda 'up-to- date' I discover so much more, and I had no idea there was so many fan recordings out there. Does anyone have a complete list of these, with titles, tracklistings and minutes? I've found one published, but don't think it's complete, or it might be that I don't know of all official releases. Thanks in advance ~Veine -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Does anybody know if there are any CDs available by this guy ? He wrote the music to such films as Zombie flesh eaters . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26316 Re: fabbio frizzi ohmss76@a... Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Hi Paul, there are some of his horror scores available, which is most of his output AFAIK. They are on Beat records, and can be bought from places like www.screenarchives.com www.intrada.com There is an album for City of the Walking Dead,The Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). Hope that helps! Sean A From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? classic! > -----Original Message----- > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26318 SV: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Pergamon Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB 26320 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi ohmss76@a... Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26322 OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26323 OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26324 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Mark Coyle Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: SV: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Thank you very much, for reminding me of that image...... YUUUUUMMMMMIIIEEEEE!!!!!!! Jan > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a > chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to > join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the > distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as > BRANCH my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: horrod6 Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 Gary said: 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. LnH Marion P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e-mailer). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26327 Re: Digest Number 818 Gary Jenkins Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26330 SV: [tadream] Digest Number 818 Pergamon Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26333 Re: Digest Number 818 lawlermusic Thu 3/8/2001 4 KB 26348 Re: Digest Number 818 horrod6 Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26356 Re: Digest Number 818 Craig Cordrey Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26357 Re: Digest Number 818 Craig Cordrey Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? classic<<<<<<<<<<<< Right! Classic Fulci:) Zombi Fu!!!! Frizzi's music is pretty 'inspired' by Goblin though....incidentally, any TD fans here who dig that band? Conatamination has just been reissued, and the score for the new Dario Argento film Io non Sonno is out, both by Goblin. And to stay close to topic, their score for BUIO OMEGA is worth checking out for TD fans IMO;-) Best, Sean A From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Could be worse, if it was a Madonna t-shirt for example... And just think, if we wore badges, it would mean we'd be closer to understanding how a woman feels when blokes keep staring at her chest.... Sorry, I've got a warped sense of humour... Paul ---------- >De : 'Brian Stewart' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mer 7 mars 2001 0:06 > > Hi > > Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I are > out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour > ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! > > How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that > can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops > stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. > > I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead > t-shirt might get me arrested! > > Best wishes > > > Brian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Jenkins > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > > >>Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >>any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >>sat in the corner lol. >>Cheers Gary >> > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards > > Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). The best bit is where someone is about to be attacked by a shark...and then suddenly an underwater zombie appears and attacks the shark. One of the great _dei ex machina_ in the history of, er, art, on a par with the convenient spaceship in The Life of Brian. I think I posted about this when doing a _Firestarter_ review, but I have a tremendous nostalgia for those garbage 'video nasties' (most of which, incidentally, are still banned in the UK). Way back in 1982, one of my friends' families had a VCR, which was a seriously new piece of kit back then (VCRs didn't really arrive in the UK until late '83/early '84) and we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, big Hollywood films were not available on video: practically the only films on offer were 'nasties' - Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit On Your Grave, Cannibal Ferox (the most spectacular farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), Dawn of the Dead, Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. Not forgetting the trash action films like Escape from New York, The Warriors (whose fatuous piss-on-the-law style message was a dead cert to appeal to spotty 14-year-old boys for whom crossing a road against a red light was a major criminal act), The Wanderers. The vast majority of these films had cheap and nasty synthesiser scores - the theme to _Zombie Flesh Eaters_ in particular is absolutely hilarious. A few years later, however, came _Day of the Dead_ which has, IMO, by far the best synthesiser score ever recorded - composed by one John Harrison. The opening theme, accompanying the section where the helicopter lands in Fort Myers, is really amazing. See www.creepyclips.com for loads of clips from these films. Glynn From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). The best bit is where someone is about to be attacked by a shark...and then suddenly an underwater zombie appears and attacks the shark. One of the great _dei ex machina_ in the history of, er, art - on a par with the convenient spaceship in The Life of Brian. I think I posted about this when doing a _Firestarter_ review, but I have a tremendous nostalgia for those garbage 'video nasties' (most of which, incidentally, are still banned in the UK). Way back in 1982, one of my friends' families had a VCR, which was a seriously new piece of kit back then (VCRs didn't really arrive in the UK until late '83/early '84) and we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, big Hollywood films were not available on video: practically the only films on offer were 'nasties' - Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit On Your Grave, Cannibal Ferox (the most spectacular farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), Dawn of the Dead, Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. Not forgetting the trash action films like Escape from New York, The Warriors (whose fatuous piss-on-the-law style message was a dead cert to appeal to spotty 14-year-old boys for whom crossing a road against a red light was a major criminal act), The Wanderers. The vast majority of these films had cheap and nasty synthesiser scores - the theme to _Zombie Flesh Eaters_ in particular is absolutely hilarious. A few years later, however, came _Day of the Dead_ which has, IMO, by far the best synthesiser score ever recorded - composed by one John Harrison. The opening theme, accompanying the section where the helicopter lands in Fort Myers, is really amazing. See www.creepyclips.com for loads of clips from these films. Glynn From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Hi > Frizzi's music is pretty 'inspired' by Goblin though....incidentally, any TD fans here who dig that band? > Conatamination has just been reissued, and the score for the new Dario Argento film Io non Sonno is out, both by Goblin. Now you're talking. The soundtrack to Dario Argento's SUSPIRIA by Goblin is an all time EM classic. Weaving a mood TD type synth score, piercing fuzz lead guitar, sound effects, incantations and spells whispered by the band, Dario Argento and his very influential partner of the time (who knew all the witchcraft). The score is amazing and very dense. I would recommend it as an all time great which Goblin never quite matched, I think because the symbiosis of Dario Argento then at his peak and their music gelled so well. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: OT: RE: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi 'banned in the UK'??? I guess that's just odd to me, having a 1st amendment and all. > farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), ugh. what a horribly-done website. 'Cannibal Ferox' looks close to 'Cannibal Holocaust', not about zombies, but another Italian gore classic. From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: Top five from the Froese's my Top Five: 1. Oasis - bloody brilliant 2. Mars Polaris - finger lickin' good 3. Timesquare (Dream Mixes 2) - another good 'un 4. 220 Volt - for 'Sundance Kid' only 5. Tyranny of Beauty - for Stratosfear 1995 only Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 818 --- In tadream@ hey no offence taken :) but it was not me who said that, it was that young musician (very talented by the way) Mr.Lawler. Cheers Gary > 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' > > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! > > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > > LnH > > Marion > > P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky > apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e- mailer). From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Re.Suspiria Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have the same effect but still a classic horror flick. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26331 Re: Re.Suspiria Mark Coyle Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26343 Re: Re.Suspiria Gary Jenkins Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush some links on http://www.tadream.net about the Moon on the Green pub. I know onee is broken but I gotta run; will fix it later. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Digest Number 818 > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! **LOL** hehe....that was a good one =) Jan > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > Marion From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Suspiria Hi > Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at > the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck > in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it > very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have > the same effect but still a classic horror flick. Which DVD did you get Gary? Anything extra interesting? Of course you can tell now with the 'witchhhhhhh' whispers that they are giving away who the three witches are as part of the musical soundtrack, very clever. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26343 Re: Re.Suspiria Gary Jenkins Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:59 am Subject: collectable item on e-bay Hi everyone, If anyone would like to bid, I've re-auctioned the following item on e-bay. Clicking on the link will take you straight there. 1997 Tournado tour double-sided promotional postcard, signed on rear by Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil. Highly collectable. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414728399 Good luck! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 818 Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 818 > --- In tadream@ > hey no offence taken :) but it was not me who said that, it was that > young musician (very talented by the way) Mr.Lawler. > Cheers Gary > > ooops ! you cant blame me for not expecting that a girl may be among the audience . I have never met a single female that likes EM . Mind you I haven`t met many people at all that do . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & > > > > 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' > > > > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! > > > > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > > > > LnH > > > > Marion > > > > P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky > > apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e- > mailer). > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: hilary.wright@a... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 1:31 am Subject: Sonic Render Throbbing Up¨Polyphony Score I am trying to locate the origin of this CD. Is it a recognised bootleg? If so where from etc? Can you help? Hilary From: Victor Rek Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD website. I will only trade for very rare items or items that are at the top of my want list. Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP, very rare 7' singles from Encore or Grind/Grind, etc. Contact we with offers off list. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26341 Aqua II ???????? Pergamon Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26349 Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Felna Greymane Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26368 Re: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Victor Rek Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:00 am Subject: Punctured eyeballs... On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:40:51 -0500, Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, scripted by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a great influence on Tangerine Dream. ;-) Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26337 Re: Punctured eyeballs... Synthhtnys@a... Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Punctured eyeballs... To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, scripted by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a great influence on Tangerine Dream. ;-) Jens. *Yeah, I've seen that... it was made in what? the 30's? VERY DISTURBING! Way ahead of its time... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Paul Who said anything about wearing it on your chest! The following is from the Sisters list: When the intro tape, this strange Shirelles / Tangerine Dream mix, started, I began to get nervous, really excited... The Sisters started with their standard opener 'First And Last And Always', always nice, always safe, but I personally liked 'Anaconda' from last year's Hildesheim gig much more, because it was more exciting. Too bad they skipped it from Colognes setlist. They have an FTP-site. I wonder if someone has put it on. My own soundcard is disabled. Best Brian ------------------------------- Could be worse, if it was a Madonna t-shirt for example... And just think, if we wore badges, it would mean we'd be closer to understanding how a woman feels when blokes keep staring at her chest.... Sorry, I've got a warped sense of humour... Paul ---------- >De : 'Brian Stewart' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mer 7 mars 2001 0:06 > >Hi > >Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I >are >out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour >ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! > >How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that >can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops >stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. > >I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead >t-shirt might get me arrested! > >Best wishes > > >Brian > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gary Jenkins >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM >Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > > >>Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >>any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >>sat in the corner lol. >>Cheers Gary >> >I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean >home >by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards > >Paul > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- >http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 11:00 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 here's my top5: 1.Dream Mixes 2.Goblins Club 3.Tournado 4.Timesquare 5.Tyranny of beauty Rimas Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 2:18 am Subject: TD 8-track releases For Victor Rek, I have the 8-track UK releases of Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear (and also Ricochet) if you are still interested in these. Please contact me privately to see if we can arrange a trade. - Chris From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Aqua II ???????? > Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. > Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP,..... What the .... Can anyone please fill me in on this one. Have never heard of an 'Aqua II', is this a boot, or????? what tracks are on this album?????? Regards Jan From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:16 am Subject: Punctured eyeballs: gimmee a break! On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:00:33 +0100 (MET) Jens Kilian writes: > To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit > with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, > scripted by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a > great influence on Tangerine Dream. Keee-ripes!!! Can we cease this eyeball abuse horseshit? I would like to actually read a post to this list, now and then, you know! -- Steven Feldman [joe] Kee-ripes. weak stomach there today, Steve? in fact, I think Jens is right. Edgar's personality in some ways reminds me of the air of high-artsy avant-garde eccentricity of Dali. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: Re.Suspiria --- In tadream@y..., 'Mark Coyle' wrote: > Hi > > > Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at > > the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck > > in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it > > very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have > > the same effect but still a classic horror flick. > > Which DVD did you get Gary? Anything extra interesting? > Of course you can tell now with the 'witchhhhhhh' whispers that they are giving away > who the three witches are as part of the musical soundtrack, very clever. > cheers > Mark > Hi Mark the dvd was Suspiria but it is not the best of dvd due to no extras,stereo sound and filmed very wide so thick letterboxing but still a classic whatever. Cheers Gary > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Love to help, but more info would be useful! Paul ---------- >De : hilary.wright@a... >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] >Date : Jeu 8 mars 2001 2:31 > > I am trying to locate the origin of this CD. Is it a recognised > bootleg? If so where from etc? > > Can you help? > > Hilary > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: David Hughes Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: TD In concert (DVD) Hello, Anyone have any TD vids on DvD? Boots considered. Thanks david -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Ed & Jerry top 5 Here's my contribution. 1. Dream mixes 2 2. What a blast 3. Mars Polaris 4. 220 volts 5= Goblins Club 5= Turn of the tides I had real trouble deciding on number 5 - Zoning very nearly made it in there at 5= as well. Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a lot at the moment. That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail (grin)? LnH Marion np: madrigal meridian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26351 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Armin Theissen Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB 26361 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26355 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Geir Smedsrud Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:49 pm Subject: OT: RE: Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Joe, do you mind, I've just had my dinner! Marion (..is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball?) From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 818 Oops, sorry Gary. And 'Mr' Lawler should recognise me at least - we'll have met at the swampfest, d.v. Marion From: Felna Greymane Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 1:35 am Subject: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Just out of curiosity (as I have no chance whatsoever of getting this) is there any 'new' music on this. By new I mean both commercially and fantape wise. For those who have heard it, is it 'good' (subjective term). >Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars >Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It >has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - >not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD >website. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: was [Soundmill Navigator] now is guestbook comments Morgan, there's no doubt Steve Dinsdale was being sarcastic! Steve is a member of RMI [Radio Massacre International] . I imagine a few of us here know them very well and appreciate their music very much, which is in the vein of 70's TD music with their long ambient sequencing build ups. To me, RMI is among a few groups / individuals who have taken some of the best elements of 70's TD music and taken it where TD left off, filling a niche and meeting the demands of people still clamouring for older TD's style. And they've done it very well. Dare I say , in a few instances even better, imo. But hey, TD , Klaus Schulze and a few others led the way for all these young turks. I think many of you who prefer older TD's music should check them out. Chances are most of you would like them. Now playing Edgar Froese's 'Beyond The Storm' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > Miles, above are some posts over the last year from various members which > you might find a suitable response to your request. > > Kindest regards, > > Morgan. > > > --------------------------------------------------- > From: Airwave > Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > To: > Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. > Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:57:59 +0100 > > Hi gang. > > Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised > copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the > low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I > just had to do something about it. > > After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that > it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning > it is very easy to remove. > > The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise > could easily have been removed before [Edgar played all new year 2000 sounds > on top of it] and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have > noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. > (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) > > I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing > this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified > by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The > Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had > felt the end result was below normal standard, and it > clearly is IMO. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: 'Morgan M.' > Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member > Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:14 CDT > > [...] > And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate > warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be > essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, > instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially > since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So > I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, > history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. > [...] > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Gang, > > this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy > surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) > > From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: > > Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have > waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while > a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great > idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal > 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with > you) into second place! > > I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the > famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something > of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the > 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well > circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German > radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously > paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on > ! > > You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! > > Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and > loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. > > Yours with deep respect, > > Steve > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > >From: 'Miles MacMillan' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:28:08 -0800 > > > >Hi folks, > > > >Brand new to the list here. > > > >I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering > >why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was > >wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 > >into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the > >CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I > >received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded > >the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same > >noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have > >to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version > >of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any > >information regarding this would be helpful. > > > >I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word > >that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen > >Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere > >close to here. > > Just to let you know, the concert tour in the US (if it happens, very > skeptical) will be a promotional tour for the Dream Mixes 3 album, which is > entirely dance music. Just thought you ought to know. I might go just to be > in the same room with Edgar Froese. > > -Morgan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Hi, I never liked such 'top 5' or so polls. Too hard to decide and thus they don't tell me much. I very much prefer to give a rating on *each* album. You can then run some meaningful statistics on the poll results. cheers armin erm... not intended to revive the AS (for you old members here) > > Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who > are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. > I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, > the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. > With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be > one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. > I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a > lot at the moment. > That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or > whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent > reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your > top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail > (grin)? > > LnH > > Marion > > np: madrigal meridian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26361 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: D.Nigbur@r... Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Concert Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar faces... I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream Mixes on Stage', or something the like. Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of Dream Mixes material? As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd visit a concert for them... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26354 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Sean Montgomery Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB 26358 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Frank Arellano Fri 3/9/2001 4 KB 26359 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Sean Montgomery Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26360 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26366 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Matthew Stringer Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: djpinky420@h... Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: ORB ORB ORB ORB Hey everyone. I wanted to make sure that all of you knew about the Orb going on tour soon. I heard rumors that they might be opening for Moby for a while. That might have been confirmed by now -- I don't even know. Anyone hear anything? Cydonia is out now and it is fabulous. I can't wait to hear (and see--their visuals are amazing) what they do in their live show... 4/12 Boynton Beach, FL Orbit 4/13 Tampa, FL Masquerade 4/14 Atlanta, FL Masquerade 4/17 New York, NY Irving Plaza 4/18 Wash DC 930 Club 4/19 Boston, MA Avalon Ballroom 4/21 Detroit, MI St. Andrew Hall 4/22 Toronto, ONT The Guvernment 4/23 Chicago, IL The Metro 4/24 Lawrence, KS Granada 4/25 Denver, CO Ogden Theatre 4/27 SF, CA Maritime Hall 4/28 Indio, CA Coachella I'm all over that Irving Plaza show. Woo hoo!! peese. <666> From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert D.Nigbur@r... wrote: > Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > Dream Mixes material? I would argue...in fact, I already have...that there is no longer any real difference between a 'Dream Mixes' album and a regular TD release. DM1 was vastly different from Tyranny of Beauty, but if the Meng Tien mp3 is any indication, DM3 will bear little difference from some of the more 'upbeat' tracks on What a Blast, Mars Polaris or Transsiberia. The main difference is that the DM label for the show will give them licence to perform Jerome's version of Tangentizing on their older material. We'll have the DM Tangram, the DM White Eagle, and the DM Monolight. I'm not saying that this is bound to be a good or bad thing...that's just what I foresee. DM has obviously sold well for them, so that's the angle that they're pushing. At the same time though, the fact that they're bringing at least one guest guitarist along suggests that they'll do at least a couple of 'conventional' versions of older stuff. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed & Jerry top 5 It wasn't a chime, it was a big GONG! And besides, I don't have that many albums from this period anyway. And then I haven't played those I have for a long time. That is, with one exception; 220 Volt. I have just got this one and have played it a few times, but it doesn't give me a 'high' like some of the older stuff do. Geir np: I think I'll put on Richochet, on repeat! At 20:46 08.03.01 +0000, Marion wrote: > >Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who >are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. >I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, >the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. >With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be >one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. >I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a >lot at the moment. >That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or >whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent >reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your >top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail >(grin)? > >LnH > >Marion Best Regards Geir From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 >From: 'lawlermusic' >Subject: Re: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > >I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . >Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) > >Paul >ps . How will i know who everybody is in the pub ? Paul, If you still have your shaven head I'll find you. You may vaguely recollect me as one of the beyond_em'ers who approached you at Jodrell Bank last year - we all had our picture taken along with your brother. I'm sure we'll be the only group of 35 in the place! 8-) Craig From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 >From: 'Paul Fellows' >Subject: Re : Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > >Middle aged people wearing an impressive array of TD/Ramones/Motorhead >(possibly) t-shirts, ex fan-club badges and if Conrad has anything to do >with it, name badges (God forbid!) :-) Heh (if I may use a Dano), if I wear my home-made (by my mother) t-shirt, I can have all three - it has my name, a unique tangerine dream logo and the address of the old tadream mailing list (cs.uwp.edu RIP). Maybe not. Craig From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Any word on who the guest guitarist is? BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites, need help finding some? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert > > > D.Nigbur@r... wrote: > > > Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > > Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > > Dream Mixes material? > > I would argue...in fact, I already have...that there is no longer any real difference between a 'Dream Mixes' album and a regular TD release. DM1 was vastly different from Tyranny of Beauty, but if the Meng > Tien mp3 is any indication, DM3 will bear little difference from some of the more 'upbeat' tracks on What a Blast, Mars Polaris or Transsiberia. The main difference is that the DM label for the show will > give them licence to perform Jerome's version of Tangentizing on their older material. We'll have the DM Tangram, the DM White Eagle, and the DM Monolight. I'm not saying that this is bound to be a good or > bad thing...that's just what I foresee. DM has obviously sold well for them, so that's the angle that they're pushing. > > At the same time though, the fact that they're bringing at least one guest guitarist along suggests that they'll do at least a couple of 'conventional' versions of older stuff. > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Frank Arellano wrote: > BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites I was one of the first to reply...go check the archives on Yahoogroups (March 1st) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26360 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert --- In tadream@y..., Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > Frank Arellano wrote: > > > BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites > > I was one of the first to reply...go check the archives on Yahoogroups (March > 1st) > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean I can confirm that! Roger From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > Hi, > > I never liked such 'top 5' or so polls. Too hard to decide and > thus they don't tell me much. I very much prefer to give a rating > on *each* album. You can then run some meaningful statistics on > the poll results. > > cheers > > armin Come on, Armin... It's not to be taken THAT seriously. Anyway, we're only after the top five. Play ball with us... please? From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > You know Roger, you could run this as a poll on yahoogroups if you want to > at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls > it will track, graph and permanently store the results. Perhaps a bit > easier than tracking results yourself. Yeah, I know. But if many of the folks have computers like mine it can be a real hassle trying to open up yahoo groups because it takes so long to open up. Anyway, I think this is more fun because it has encouraged a few folk to post... albeit most of them are the same folk who regularly contribute anyway. By the way, Marion, if you're reading this, I've split the one point between TOTT & Goblins Club, awarding each 0.5 points each. Could make all the difference in the end... Roger From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:03 am Subject: DM 3 AT LAST!... An interesting album cover :) The latest TD music I've heard so far is Goblins' Club, which I still don't like, except for Rising Haul in Silence and Towards the Evening Star. I don't even remeber what RHIS exactly sounds like but I remember that I liked it a lot. And I think Evening Star is very good (but not great). I intended to buy Antique Dreams, but it's too expensive for me, around 20 US dollars. I'd rather spend such money in Tolkien books. So I played this Meng Tian remix, after listening to the whole Cyclone and also after playing Klingklang, from Kraftwerk's Kraftwerk 2 album. I think it's not bad; but it's not good either. It's an aluminium track: it's recycled and can be recycled again. It just sounds like anything else, and it's not interesting. I'd rather play Risin Runnar Missed by Endless Sendar: the music is good, the singing is very funny. It's Midnight in Tula, Dominion and Cinnamon Road greatgrandmother. After this track maybe Goblins' Club sounds better... Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM 3 From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > > So I played this Meng Tian remix, after listening to the whole Cyclone and also after playing Klingklang, from Kraftwerk's Kraftwerk 2 album. I think it's not bad; but it's not good either. It's an aluminium track: it's recycled and can be recycled again. It just sounds like anything else, and it's not interesting. I'd rather play Risin Runnar Missed by Endless Sendar: the music is good, the singing is very funny. It's Midnight in Tula, Dominion and Cinnamon Road greatgrandmother. > > After this track maybe Goblins' Club sounds better... > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... I really agree with you there about Meng Tian in that it sounds 'recycled.' But I think that TD now is making music for a yuppie type of culture that likes to fit into current trendy fads. Now in your flat in London or your condo in San Francisco you can listen to the latest in techno and rave clubs, while still maintaining a sense of avant garde - choose TD - whom dreads through the clubs Berlin, Bonn... and takes the truly worthwhile away. Well guys I REALLY go to clubs because I enjoy to dance and I would not ever find such music being played in the places - in fact I'd more than likely hear the remix of ALL YOUR BASE BELONGS TO US than hear anything by TD. But I think TD missed the boat by not going towards more of a rave sound because I think a lot of that has a basis in mid to late 70's sequencing and transitioning. I know the dance culture is more infused in Europe (I get a lot of music from Europe for a DJ who's actually from England and living here like me in this small spring break crazy town of Lake Havasu City, Arizona). TD isn't alone in trying to revive itself - Kraftwerk with their Expo 2000 tracks also 'tries' to follow this trand, but in my opinion, fails rather badly. I like Cyclone more than Stratosfear, so I like to hear people that enjoy that album like I do! Greg H. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Sheperds Bush concert >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of >Dream Mixes material? Dennis, devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be absolutely sure that they will only play pre-1985 material. Why else would they advertise it as 'dream mixes on stage' ? ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers, klaus (who might be coming over as well, loads of BA airmiles to burn) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26372 Re: Sheperds Bush concert Frank Arellano Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Urgh, if this is confirmed that it's a mixes concert I have 3 tickets to give away. Matt -----Original Message----- From: D.Nigbur@r... [mailto:D.Nigbur@r...] Sent: 09 March 2001 14:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar faces... I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream Mixes on Stage', or something the like. Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of Dream Mixes material? As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd visit a concert for them... ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Play ball with us... please? What there was no prize for the winner? Well damn From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Hello, The details of this release are posted on the TD website under 'What's On'. In summary, there is no new music on it - it's off of Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China. Felna Greymane wrote: > Just out of curiosity (as I have no chance whatsoever of getting this) is > there any 'new' music on this. By new I mean both commercially and fantape > wise. For those who have heard it, is it 'good' (subjective term). > > >Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars > >Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It > >has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - > >not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD > >website. > > Jeff Stevenson > greymane@k... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Aqua II ???????? This is the same release as Froese's Aqua LP, except it is a French release of 1000 copies in a different 'box-type' packaging. Can anyone provide more input? I know a few people on this list must own it. Vic Pergamon wrote: > > Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. > > Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP,..... > > What the .... Can anyone please fill me in on this one. Have never > heard of an 'Aqua II', is this a boot, or????? what tracks are on this > album?????? > > Regards > Jan > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26375 Off-topic (synth, Virus a) Pergamon Sun 3/11/2001 2 KB From: mortalloom@y... Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:00 pm Subject: Mortal Loom - 'Alchemy Through Dreams' - Delvian Records Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy Through Dreams combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient and dance. Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to films like Legend and The Last Unicorn. The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop Thing,' adding a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat electronica music. This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The sound moves to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an ambient techno beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most surreal part of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans of Enigma, Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover electronica acts should enjoy them. Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom e-mail: mortal@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26373 Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... j.gordon Sat 3/10/2001 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DM 3 Greg wrote: > But I think that TD now is making music for a yuppie type of culture that > likes to fit into current trendy fads. Hey hey...time for another rant. Those tired of my harping should turn back now. I love a good conspiracy theory, but I don't buy this hypothesis. That argument could have been made 10 years ago, about albums like Melrose and Turn of the Tides, but not now. The techno/rave scene has always been for the young - people in their teens and early 20s, not trend-conscious professionals who work for a living. Moby broke into the mainstream by *dropping* his rave roots and writing pop songs. Furthermore, few 'urban professionals' I know go to dance clubs or have any interest in the music played therein. It's too loud and obnoxious...the yuppie bistros and bookstores are more likely to be playing Brazillian music like Bebel Gilberto. Nor is techno even trendy with young people right now. It had its moment in the sun 4 years ago, but now it's all boy bands or rap-metal hybrids. TDs weak attempts at 'dance music' also fail as club anthems...there's not enough bass to shake your ass to, the beats per minute aren't high enough, and they don't know squat about building the music to a climax, or even sustaining a good groove. On top of that, they're never going to be 'trendy' in any social circle unless people *hear* them. To use Moby as an example again, his album 'Play' only took off after every single song on it was licenced for use in TV commercials, TV series and movie soundtracks. People heard it and liked it. Who gets to hear TD today, and where? And if they did, would they like what they heard? (I doubt it!) Hell, mp3 samples aside, *fans* don't even get to hear new TD albums before buying them. We just send off our money because the words 'Tangerine Dream' appear on the cover. Personally, I think the 'DM' phenomenon is just Jerome playing around. He has some good taste in music, based on the Electrobeats tracklists that I've seen. He likes his dance music, just as Edgar liked Jimmy Hendrix and Pink Floyd when he started out. But Jerome has been far less successful at copying and building on those influences than his father was. Not to say that the DM albums are *bad* (I like the first one a great deal)...they just fail to stand out at a time when there is far more interesting and sophisticated electronic music being made. Claims that the DM albums put TD back on the cutting edge are laughable. When 'techno' was truly cutting edge, TD's music was dominated by Linda Spa's 'Kenny G' sax (and yet they were vehemently denying being a New Age band). Of course, if they *had* tried to jump on the rave bandwagon in 1991, touring with The Orb, Primal Scream and the KLF, they would very likely have been a laughing stock. Partly because, as I mentioned, the scene has always been for the young....and partly because I doubt the results would have sounded very convincing (the 'Zeo' mixes of Lily on the Beach serve as my Exhibit A). So they stuck in their New Age niche for a while, because there was a market for their unthreatening harpsichord sounds and sampled choirs. But the genre died, and Jerome brought in this new tactic. Yet, Edgar's mindset seems to be firmly fixated on Mozart and the 1960s...and I think it's the attempts for the two of them to find musical common ground that have made their albums so wishy-washy and uneven. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sheperds Bush concert < devious bastards that TD /TDI have become > Sad, but true. Well, enough truth in it that I had to laugh... :-) TD and TDI may be laughing too, all the way to the bank :-D I still love em' :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Sheperds Bush concert > >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > >Dream Mixes material? > > Dennis, > devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be > absolutely sure that they will only play pre-1985 material. > Why else would they advertise it as 'dream mixes on stage' ? > > ;-) ;-) ;-) > > cheers, > klaus (who might be coming over as well, loads of BA airmiles to burn) > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... what's this? spam? here... no, no, no, you must be mistaken, this is a proper list... no spam here... please... j.g man, i never realized how absoulutely tired i am of people pushing there stuff, regardless of how good it is... --- mortalloom@y... wrote: > > Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, > which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy Through Dreams > combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient > and dance. > > Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy > with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself > to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and > wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to films like > Legend and The Last Unicorn. > > The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop Thing,' adding > a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely > please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat electronica music. > > This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The sound moves > to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an ambient techno > beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most surreal part > of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream > Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. > > It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans of Enigma, > Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover electronica acts > should enjoy them. > > > Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom > > e-mail: mortal@g... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Victor Rek Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:42 am Subject: SwampPack 21 Offer to Celebrate Okefenokee 2001 TD Fan Event Dear TD fans, Like last year for Okefenokee 2000, I sold a SwampPack 11 to help pay for some of the costs incurred in organizing the event. Last year the SwampPack had 11 items, this year it has 21 items! SwampPak 21 contains: 7' singles 1. Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance w/PS - Germany blue label 2. Das Madchen auf der Treppe/Katja w/PS - Germany 3. Peter Baumann - Realtimes/Repeat Repeat w/PS (vg) - Germany 4. Michael Hoenig - Departure from the Northern Wasteland Excerpt I/Excerpt II - US Promo w/PS (rare) Posters & Miscellaneous: 5. Chris Franke London Concert release poster (large/folded) 6. Mars Polaris studio release poster autographed by Edgar & Jerome (medium/folded) 7. KlangArt poster for Mars Polaris Concert 6/26/99 (large/rolled) 8. Rockoon tour B&W poster (medium/rolled) 9. 220 Volt Live Video release poster (medium-small/rolled) 10. Great Wall of China - Extra large t-shirt (new) Soundtrack CDs: 11. Thief - Japanese (scarce, no OBI) 12. The Park is Mine - US (saw mark on spine) 13. Miracle Mile - US (diff. print on CD) 14. Jim & Pablo (Der Meteor) - Germany 15. Great Wall of China - Germany 16. Sony Center - Topping Out Ceremony Score (very scarce now) Promo CD singles: 17. Tyranny of Beauty - UD 5-track promo 18. Tangents 1973-1983 10-track promo sampler - US white disc Rare Solo CDs: 19. Michael Hoenig - Xcept One - US Cinema (booklet vg+) 20. Steve Schroyder (Star Sounds Orchestra) - Kosmophonon - Germany CMS (digipak vg+) 21. Special Mystery Bonus ????? Also, the winner will receive a promo CD-R of the Oke-2001 event and possibly some other goodies from the even - depending on what's available. This is a nice package for anyone starting to collect TD or for fans that need some rare items and trade items.. I hope you can support this Oke event and get in the drawing for the SwampPack 21! To WIN/BUY this SwampPack, you must send me an e-mail within 21 days saying that you wish to purchase the SwampPack for $ 321.00. This includes all items above plus any possible bonus items and postage to anywhere to the world. The deadline is March 31, 2001 which is 21 days from now (3/11-3/31). If I receive more than one order, then I will hold a drawing on Sunday April 1, 2001 to announce the winner. The Oke-2001 event goes from April 20-24, 2001 at the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia, USA. About 20+ people are attending so far... Thanks for participating! From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:47 am Subject: Off-topic (synth, Virus a) Hello all Just wanted to let you know, if anyone of all you musicians out there should have an old Virus a, there is an update for this machine on it's way. That company never sieze to amaze me, I mean this update is for a discontinued product. Just a little info, sorry about that!!! Jan From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: top 5 Eddy & Jerry This is getting like Eurovision......... Can't remember what the titles were as I don't keep posts for very long. 1 Valentine Wheels 2 Tournado 3 220 Volt 4 Mars Polaris 5 Oasis and I like Zoning so that gets 6th Place. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: Shepherd Bush I'm going to enjoy the show for what it is. They've done so much over the years I don't remember what tracks are on what CD's / vinyl. I'm happy to herar it anyway. As you can see from my top 5, I prefer the live to the studio. I expect the format will be similar to 96 / 97....an old section, a modern section and an encore to plug the latest CD single on sale at the concert. David PS Does anybody know the words to Sgt.Pepper? TD have done a kind of tribute to the Beatles. I think we could wrire a tribute the other way. 'It was 30 years ago today that Eddy and friends began to play.......... Electronic's been going in and out of style.....but guaranteed to stay a while......' Anyone want to take this further? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re.Moon on the green Hi all you out there planning to meet at the Moon on the Green you may have noticed from joe's site that after I tried to get hold of this pub it was not listed in directory enquiries have since found out it has changed it's name to Harveys. I have spoken to them re May 12th unfortunately the boss is on hols til 26/03/01,the only concern from the person I spoke to was QPR football fans (didnt' think they had that many)but I think this is FA cup final day so they should not be playing anyway. I will ring them again giving them some idea how many will be invading them after the 26th. Cheers Gary. From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 9:41 am Subject: devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be 'devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be. . .' Now - this is funny and I fear in some ways very, very true. But, I to love them anyway. From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: Vulcano album? The All Music Guide site (http://www.allmusic.com) lists a TD album named Vulcano (do a search by Album and you'll find it at once). Reading its track listing, this is obviously disc #5 of Tangents, but my question is: was this disc ever released off the Tangents box set and sold as 'Vulcano'? Antonio Nunes np: Tangents disc 5 From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Top 5 Eddy & Jerry 1) Oasis 2( Tyranny of Beauty 3) Mars Polaris 4( Great Wall of China 5) Timesquare: Dream Mixes II NP: DJ Balloon - Monstersound Live Mix Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26415 Re: Top 5 Eddy & Jerry Nigbur D Thu 3/15/2001 1 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:04 pm Subject: RE: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... yeah, that was spam. we got some other spam a week or so ago about Orb, too. I reset the list to new subber moderation. new subbers stay there until we upgrade them. posts from new subbers don't go thru until approved or the user is upgraded. > -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... > > > what's this? spam? here... > > no, no, no, you must be mistaken, this is a proper list... no > spam here... > > please... > > j.g > > man, i never realized how absoulutely tired i am of people > pushing there stuff, > regardless of how good it is... > > > > --- mortalloom@y... wrote: > > > > Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, > > which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy > Through Dreams > > combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient > > and dance. > > > > Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy > > with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself > > to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and > > wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to > films like > > Legend and The Last Unicorn. > > > > The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop > Thing,' adding > > a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely > > please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat > electronica music. > > > > This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The > sound moves > > to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an > ambient techno > > beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most > surreal part > > of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream > > Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. > > > > It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans > of Enigma, > > Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover > electronica acts > > should enjoy them. > > > > > > Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom > > > > e-mail: mortal@g... > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire > in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Enjoy it while it lasts Dennis sez: >Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar >faces... > >I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the >Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is >that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream >Mixes >on Stage', or something the like. > >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., >Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of >Dream Mixes material? > >As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd >visit a concert for them... One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are clearly within sight of the end of their careers. There will probably only ever be one more Pink Floyd album and tour, Tina Turner has turned 60, Genesis has shut up shop, Mick Jagger worries that he might not be able to manage another tour with the Rolling Stones, etc. etc. I reckon that we no longer have the luxury of waiting for the next time if we don't care for what's on offer this time - we're past the point where the next time is guaranteed. (Strange how there's a lot of 'denial' about this, particularly in the music press. I read a piece only a couple of years ago which referred to Pink Floyd as 'moving into middle age'. They've been middle-aged for the last 20 years - out-and-out *old* age is next on their agenda.) I long ago ceased to have anything like a keen interest in TD. I've bought only a small percentage of their releases over the last 5 years or so. Even so, I'll be there in May to pay respect to the last remaining TD hero because it could well be the last time that TD with Edgar visits the UK. Similary, I expect little from the Dante concert in Berlin (pop composers trying to do classical music is usually buttock-clenchingly embarrassing) but I'll probably go because, well, it'll be an experience, if nothing else. So...if you have the opportunity, enjoy it while it lasts is my advice. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26413 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Nigbur D Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26424 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26425 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Joel S. Mullen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26428 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26431 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26434 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26435 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26436 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts lawlermusic Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26444 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 4 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Festival Alter Musik Two Questions: 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted for the the TD Trilogy concerts? Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in UK on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a release? Thanks for any comments. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26385 Re: Festival Alter Musik Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26386 Re: Festival Alter Musik glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26387 Re: Festival Alter Musik Victor Rek Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26388 Re: Festival Alter Musik TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik Victor Rek schrieb: > Two Questions: > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney I know that Edgar announced some dates in the latest 'Elektro Beats' show on Radio Eins Brandenburg which took place last December, but at the moment I can't remember the exact time frame (but I guess it was something like Atlanta in 2003 and Sydney in 2005/06 or something) > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. For anyone who already ordered a ticket for this show, about an hour ago I phoned the Bernau Promotion Agency and a young lady told me that they will start selling tickets in about 1-2 weeks, right now it's too early for distribution. Those who already ordered their ticket will either get a phone call or an e-mail. Most of the tickets are for unreserved seats, but since I ordered a ticket 2 1/2 weeks ago I hope to get a ticket for a reserved seat (which is much more expensive, ca. US$40 instead of US$20). One thing that puzzles me is why there is no mention on the TDI sites about this concert anymore. It seems that only very few tickets are still for sale! Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > Two Questions: > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in UK > on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a > release? > > Thanks for any comments. Vic > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Vik, when you say making plans I hope you mean travel plans based around tickets that you've already got, because a post to tangerinedream today sez that the concert is sold out. Bummer. Glynn From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik I'm trying to get tickets right now. It looks like they may still be available based upon the latest post. Anyway, if anybody has an extra, count me in! glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > > Two Questions: > > > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been > posted > > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > > > 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in > UK > > on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a > > release? > > > > Thanks for any comments. Vic > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Vik, when you say making plans I hope you mean travel plans based > around tickets that you've already got, because a post to > tangerinedream today sez that the concert is sold out. Bummer. > > Glynn > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26388 Re: Festival Alter Musik TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik Hi all, for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: www.altemusik.de The site is in German, unfortunately. Click on 'Reservierung' and fill out the form. Select the number of tickets you wish to obtain for the TD- show (last in the row) and click on 'send' (abschicken). You will then be notified. It might help to note that you are not a German speaker in the 'comments'- section. The organizers are a friendly lot and I´m sure they´ll help you out. There are still tickets available, but they are selling fast. Hope this helps ... and sheds some light. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: Klemania / Antique Dreams Hi all, what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? I've just got it, put it on and it's excellent but not as expected. Very influenced by the KLF strangely. I keep expecting someone to chant 'What time is love'? I like the reinvention of the sound into the modern era but can imagine many wouldn't. Incidentally I got Antique Dreams, isn't it fantastic? Really storming selections that didn't deserve obscurity for these years. Particularly proud to see a Nottingham track there as it's my home town. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26390 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Joe Shoults Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26391 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26392 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Michal Moroz Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams for reference, you may listen to this album on our 'AudioFiles' page at http://www.tadream.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Coyle [mailto:markcoyleuk@y...] > Hi all, > what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:48:48 -0000 > >Incidentally I got Antique Dreams, isn't it fantastic? Really storming >selections >that didn't deserve obscurity for these years. Particularly proud to see a >Nottingham track there as it's my home town. -------------------------------- From: 'Hermes Guzman' Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Antique Dreams review Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:57 -0000 'Phaedra of Nottingham'- Not at all from Nottingham '90, but from an unknown '88 show instead. And not even necessary, as we already have [the] new version on _Tangents_. This one is as performed in the '88 set, with Edgar once again forgetting to edit out the next track [track 2 of Livemiles]. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >Hi all, > >what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? > Klemania is for me one of my three best electronic music cd's ever heard. Wonderful music. Michal Moroz aka Stacja Mir (in english Mir Station) :) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 7:40 am Subject: KLEM 1989 CD sampler on eBAY Hello, for anyone who's interested, I put a copy of the rare KLEM 'Electronische Muziek' CD sampler (No. 243/1000) on eBAY, this includes rare tracks like 'Lost tale' by TD, 'Vermilion sands' by C. Franke, 'Unikat' by Klaus Schulze, plus tracks by Ron Boots, Peru, Patrick Kosmos, Bernd Kistenmacher, Gandalf, and Walter Christian Rothe The URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416754791 Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26403 Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 10:48 am Subject: Re.: Festival Alter Musik On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Hi all, > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > www.altemusik.de > The site is in German, unfortunately. Click on 'Reservierung' and fill out > the form. Select the number of tickets you wish to obtain for the TD- show > (last in the row) and click on 'send' (abschicken). You will then be > notified. It might help to note that you are not a German speaker in the > 'comments'- section. The organizers are a friendly lot and I´m sure they´ll > help you out. Hi! Thank for the message, Martin. Unfortunately you'll get an error-message when you try so send the formular. I called them by phone and told them about the error. I did my reservation by telephone. It's true: HURRY! The good places in the middle are sold out :-(. I got one ticket for the balkony only. Who's going to this event? Bernau is approx. 50 km on the outside of Berlin. I'll try to get a hotel in Bernau ASAP. There is a 'Fremdenverkehrsamt' (Foreign Information Center) in Bernau. Telephone is: (Germany) (0) 3338 761919. If I have some more infos (name of a hotel, telephone number) I'll send a message to the list. See you in a) London b) Osnabrueck (Schulze) and c) Bernau! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > Hi all, > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > > www.altemusik.de OK! Here is a nice and cheap hotel just 5 minutes away from the place where the concert is: Forum Hotel Bernau telephone: Germany (+49) (0)3338 / 600 200 ask for Frau Grecksch DM 79,- for a single-room including breakfast (only!!!!) They do have some rooms available. Order your room now, before it's too late. I told Frau Grecksch about the event (she didn't knew something about it!) and 'warned' her that it's possible she will get some more reservations. Hope that helps! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Bennett' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:34 pm Subject: Timesquare I have not listened to Timesquare for awhile. I thought it was OK, but not a favorite. But this time, the title track Timesquare really caught on for me. Timesquare is an incredible track! I don't know how to describe it as well as some on this list, but I really enjoy the way it slowly develops. I like the deep 'grinding' noises that develop into great low bass rhythms and the catchy tune that keeps coming around. I hope they play this one live in the upcoming tour. BTW, Any inside info on progress of US tour plans? I'm making summer plans and wish I knew their schedule. --Bennett Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26400 Re: Timesquare PENFOLD Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Hi! Infos for the Klaus Schulze event in Osnabrueck (9th of June): Card: DM 47,30 / each They accept only (euro-)cheques. Send 2 letters: 1 with the cheque and 1 for the return-mail (including your address) to: Stadhalle Osnabrueck, Schlosswall 1-9, D-49074 Osnabrueck. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Online reservation for TD concert October 7th, Bernau just adding my own experience... just talked to the Alter Musik people and reserved my place to get a ticket near the end of may, i believe she said... she said they would contact me by phone or email then and talk about tickets... hmmmm... when i asked if there were still tickets, she said: 'For you, there will surely be a ticket...' i don't think that means my sexy (and very heavy) American accent wooed over this Berliner... i think it means things is gettin' a bit tight... would recommend gettin' while the gettin' is good... =) good luck all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU hey, rainer (et al.)... just thought i'd let you know, frau g. had already gone home, and i spoke to a very nice young lady and resevred a room... however, based on experience, instead of asking what the price was, i just confirmed what info you had given... 'so the room is DM 79, right?' and she said, 'well, actually, it's DM 99, but DM 79 is okay...' i'll tell ya, my accent must be wowin' 'em today... slick-tongued devil that i am... =) see you all there (hopefully...) j.gordon --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rainer Rutka wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > > > www.altemusik.de > > OK! > Here is a nice and cheap hotel just 5 minutes away from the > place where the concert is: > > Forum Hotel Bernau > telephone: Germany (+49) (0)3338 / 600 200 > ask for Frau Grecksch > > DM 79,- for a single-room including breakfast (only!!!!) > They do have some rooms available. > Order your room now, before it's too late. > I told Frau Grecksch about the event (she didn't knew something about it!) > and 'warned' her that it's possible she will get some more reservations. > > Hope that helps! > > Rainer > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Timesquare At 01.03.14 06:34, Bennett wrote: >BTW, Any inside info on progress of US tour plans? I'm making summer >plans and wish I knew their schedule. I wish I knew as well. My wife likes most of TD's stuff and relishes the opportunity to see them live for the first time. Unfortunately, we have a friend who's getting married on June 30 with a hell of a party to go with it, so I'm a little conflicted here. As for my other Summer Plans? The annual trek to Nevada's Black Rock Desert to blow off steam and spin TD Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: antics@h... Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream - the cocktail. Hello unto you. Having lunch recently at the Firehouse in Santa Monica, California, I noticed a rather curious mixed drink on the menu. It seemed to be a recent development. It was called the 'Tangerine Dream' - comprised of some parts Absolut Mandarin and Cointreau. Also, one of those juice companies has a drink called the 'Tangerine Scream', comprised of some parts of the usual citrus fruit. Can the Academy Award for Best Cocktail in a Motion Picture be terribly far behind? Regards, David Cotner, \\\ http://www.hertz-lion.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 9:58 pm Subject: pop composers classical music TD vehicle >(pop composers trying to do classical music is usually buttock-clenchingly embarrassing) right, like covering pachelbel's canon..... bleah, a horrible cover by virtually every newage group that were around. As for the speculation that with edgar's permission, jerome takes out the keys to the vehicle that is TD, I think it's more akin to Dali signing blank canvasses with whomever left to do the painting. --teiwaz np okefenokee dreams (or why I still love electronic music) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26482 Re: pop composers classical music TD vehicle Deborah Johnson Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:02 am Subject: Artist???? (off-topic) Hi everyone A few years back I saw a program on the television about computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to know who was. Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html Thanks in advanced. Jan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:11 am Subject: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Well, I wouldn't want to disappoint anyone so I will live up to my rogueish reputation. There haven't been any reviews in a long time, it looks like my campaign to get bootlegs discussed fizzled, so I'll start spewing Solo reviews on a weekly. Feel free to ignore or join the fun. I'm not collecting these things so I hope someone is. As a good counter to my constant Edgar-bashing, here's my review of the aural treat, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale... Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (16'27') Great ambient introduction which brings us into Rubyconesque melody lines. Without the sequencing of Chris and Peter, of course most of Edgar's solo works are slightly more noodlings and sound like solo work. There's nothing wrong with this at all. I hate to say it because of the negative connotations, but it CAN be seen a bit like Modern Art. Some people hate it, some people love it, and sometimes its merits are as much on the circumstances surrounding the production as the production itself. If this were credited to 3 people, I'd scratch my head a bit. As 1 person doing it (whether EF had the use of multitrack editing or not is moot), it's good stuff. To me, Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, and Force Majeure stand on their own two feet. Epsilon, you have to realize this is one man doing it, and better than most of the other solo work on the older keyboards I've heard. (Although Airsculpture's Jodrell Bank concert whips the llama's ass too!) Great sequencing here at 11:30. Epsilon is not a solid 16 1/2 minute track, it has chapters or segments. I guess Edgar just split it the same way the LP was split. There's a short sequence at the end which is a nice endcap. [Maroubra Bay (16'56')] Hah! I had this as background music while answering other e-mails, loved it death, and proceeded to fail to review it piece by piece! Drat! Guess I have to rewind and listen to it again! (hmm, maybe I subconsciously did that on purpose so I could hear it again). I guess I'd better listen again... From the cacophonic introduction, to the next passage--which gives me the same chills and future shock as the Blade Runner soundtrack--to the great sequence with the same string lines are all great. This sequence stretches from the 4 minute mark to just past the 14 minute mark. Some might say that's too long for an unchanging sequence (without Chris behind the wheel, it's not that surprising) but I didn't find it objectionable. The end here is, again, a nice endcap like Epsilon had. This album is definately must-own as are most of Edgar's solo efforts. Cheers, Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26408 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] scfeldman@j... Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26412 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Joe Shoults Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26417 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26419 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] rbrown4856@a... Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26420 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26421 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26429 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26423 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Joe Shoults Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26427 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik hi, > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > www.altemusik.de damn, I'll be still in Hawaii with my girlfriend... :-) Well, I guess I'll make holiday plans for Atlanta and Sydney then. cheers armin From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 3:57 am Subject: Change of address Hello guys, It has become necessary for me to go out and get myself a change of address. My name is staying the same, however, I no longer live at Earthlink.net...I now live @bellsouth.net. So to ALL the people that might find it necessary to contact me, (and he knows who he is...) Please make a note of the address change. And with this change of address, I will also be putting a websight together. It won't be anything spectacular, butit will be me... Have a great day all. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34718 Change of address Conrad Gibbons Mon 7/8/2002 2 KB From: strat95@b... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:23 am Subject: Okee Dreams David Brewer, Please contact me off list. I have lost your last post 'in the move' and would still like to get the Okeefanokee Dreams disc from you. Sorry for the off post, dudes. Neal From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE is the single best TD-related recording *ever*, in this TD fanboy's opinion. Yep, I like it even more than RUBYCON . . . and RICOCHET. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon wrote: > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > know who was. > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html Jan, I'd like to help you, but my browser seems to be unable to locate the server named 'www.pergamon.dk'. It says that 'the server does not have a DNS entry'. Is anyone else having a similar problem, or should I blame my ISP? Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26410 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) j.gordon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26422 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26438 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26439 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26442 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26443 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26458 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) E Neal FFrost Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) i was able to connet to it directly and download the mp3... unfortunately, i have no idea who this is... btw, i'm in switzerland... j.gordon --- Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > Pergamon wrote: > > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > > Jan, I'd like to help you, but my browser seems to be unable to locate > the server named 'www.pergamon.dk'. It says that 'the server does not > have a DNS entry'. Is anyone else having a similar problem, or should I > blame my ISP? > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: Classic Rock Hello there, Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the upcoming Shepherds Bush bash is being sponsored/organised by the magazine _Classic Rock_. In the March issue it sez: 'Here's some great news for fans of Krautrock. _Classic Rock_ are flying in Tangerine Dream to play a one-off UK show at London Shepherds Bush Empire on May 12. The hugely influential German band, whose last album was 1999's _Mars Polaris_, have not played the UK in four years, so it promises to be a real treat. On April 24, the band will also release _Dream Mixes III_, the latest album in their ongoing remix series. Tangerine Dream were founded by Edgar Froese and have existed since 1967 and they now have an unbelievable 85 official CDs on the market - although time will obviously prevent them from playing something from each disc! That said, they are renowned for playing sets of up to four hours long.' It doesn't take a genius to work out, therefore, that the magazine will probably carry an article/interview with TD around the time of the concert, and a concert review. Watch that space. It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26430 Re: Classic Rock David Foster Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] I think all we needed was for someone to step up to the plate, Morgan. thanks! Do you have a list of the solo albums that we can go through in order, like Lawry made for the album discussions? I'll publish that on tadream.net, and we can set up weekly reminders on the group calendar. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > campaign to get bootlegs discussed fizzled, so I'll start > spewing Solo > reviews on a weekly. Feel free to ignore or join the fun. I'm > not collecting > these things so I hope someone is. From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Enjoy it while it lasts > ---------- > From: glynn_naughton@h...[SMTP:glynn_naughton@h...] > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. There will probably > only ever be one more Pink Floyd album and tour, Tina Turner has > turned 60, Genesis has shut up shop, Mick Jagger worries that he > might not be able to manage another tour with the Rolling Stones, > etc. etc. I reckon that we no longer have the luxury of waiting for > the next time if we don't care for what's on offer this time - we're > past the point where the next time is guaranteed. > I take your point about this, and I will be at the Bush if I manage to secure a ticket. But isn't the plan that Jerome will take over TD when Edgar retires? Yes, this may cause a change in direction for TD, but with the latest albums being of such good quality, the indications seem to be that TD would be in safe hands with Froese jr. Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik ??? What's this all about? ??? Dennis > ---------- > From: Heiko Heerssen[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 13 March 2001 14:18 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik > > > > Victor Rek schrieb: > > > Two Questions: > > > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > I know that Edgar announced some dates in the latest 'Elektro Beats' show > on > Radio Eins Brandenburg which took place last December, but at the moment I > can't remember the exact time frame (but I guess it was something like > Atlanta in 2003 and Sydney in 2005/06 or something) > > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > For anyone who already ordered a ticket for this show, about an hour ago I > phoned the Bernau Promotion Agency and a young lady told me that they will > start selling tickets in about 1-2 weeks, right now it's too early for > distribution. Those who already ordered their ticket will either get a > phone > call or an e-mail. Most of the tickets are for unreserved seats, but since > I > ordered a ticket 2 1/2 weeks ago I hope to get a ticket for a reserved > seat > (which is much more expensive, ca. US$40 instead of US$20). One thing that > puzzles me is why there is no mention on the TDI sites about this concert > anymore. It seems that only very few tickets are still for sale! > > Heiko > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26416 Re: Festival Alter Musik j.gordon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 Eddy & Jerry (1) Mars Polaris (2) Transsiberia (3) Seven Letters (4) What a Blast (5) Oasis Dennis From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik > ??? What's this all about? ??? > > Dennis > it seems, dennis, that TD is holding a trilogy of concerts, dealing with Dante in Music (meaning a classical thingy), to be heald in three different cities... the first of these concerts is to be held just outside of Berlin on Oct 7th... i think one of the next cities will be in australia... the third i don't remember... it also seems that the concerts will be spread out over several years, which casts a strange shadow over all the talk of edgar giving over the keys (quite a nasty pun) to his son... better have the VST home by midnight, son... ah, dad... anyway... till Oct 7th all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Well, I certainly don't have a comprehensive list. Here's what I have direct access to: Chris Franke - London Concert Chris Franke - Klemania Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (orig) Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (orig) Edgar Froese - Ages Edgar Froese - Aqua Edgar Froese - Epsilon Edgar Froese - Kamikaze Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer Edgar Froese - Pinnacles Edgar Froese - Stuntman Someone else will have to pick up the slack on Paul Haslinger, Peter Baumann, any Chris Franke or Edgar Froese I'm missing (including the Beyond the Storm compilation). -Morgan >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:17:40 -0500 > >I think all we needed was for someone to step up to the plate, Morgan. >thanks! > >Do you have a list of the solo albums that we can go through in order, like >Lawry made for the album discussions? I'll publish that on tadream.net, >and >we can set up weekly reminders on the group calendar. > >Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Johannes Schmoelling 'White Out' Greetings All! If anyone is interested I have an extra, still sealed copy of the new remixed and rerecorded version of the classic White Out CD available for sell or trade.Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 Thanks Steve! I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting impression about KS stuff. By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi Chris Franke also released Epic and the brilliant Pacific Coast Highway, plus Enchanting Nature and all the Babylon 5 albums. Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a compilation but it's fairly average. The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern Wasteland, a member of TD for live playing in the classic time, mid 70s but he couldn't record with them as he was contracted to another label as a solo artist. He also did a fantastic album (unreleased at the time) with Manuel Gottsching of Ashra Tempel and one solo album in the late 80s that's very hard to get. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant but some are dull and some just don't gel at all. He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the sound and era that suits you. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26429 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > know who was. > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't checked the MP3 though. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26438 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] agreed. I like a lot of Schulze very much, but some of it is too heavy-handed, esp. all the orchestral sounds. [strike!] which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Coyle [mailto:markcoyleuk@y...] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > > > Hi > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and > over and over. > > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because > some say he is > > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow > my brains out.' > > > -- posting to tadream@c... on > Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant > but some are dull and > some just don't gel at all. > He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the > sound and era that suits > you. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of releases in the last 30 years. For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being carried on and explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have done work that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at their prime. I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, Van Zul, Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the work being produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing work of excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the originator, these bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans never do and miss out on much excellent music. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts On Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:44 PM, Mark Coyle [SMTP:markcoyleuk@y...] wrote: <> > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze It's good to be the follower instead of the one out in front... I have never been blown away or even really entertained by Klaus' music. There is no evolution in a 40 minute track. OY! -Morgan >From: rbrown4856@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:05:03 EST > >In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, >scfeldman@j... writes: > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > >Thanks Steve! > > I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting >impression about KS stuff. >By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is >interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! > >Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi > agreed. I like a lot of Schulze very much, but some of it is too > heavy-handed, esp. all the orchestral sounds. [strike!] I agree his classic work and incorporation of strings and so on isn't half as good as he thinks it is. The master of that is a chap called Stephen Bacchus who is astounding at it. Subtle and devastating but electronic too. He can also get off on a riff for 40 minutes that goes nowhere. > which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a > former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? > Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would > have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of > Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the > first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? But in Schulze's case that would be fairly dull drone work (sub Zeit/Atem), Cyborg, Irrlicht and so on. Timewind and Moondawn etc are far better. For me Franke's work at its best is the top solo TD. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Joe, Too much salsa and red M&M's are to blame. -Morgan P.S. Someone forgot Free System Projeckt on that Who's Who list. >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:58:12 -0600 > > > >On Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:44 PM, Mark Coyle >[SMTP:markcoyleuk@y...] wrote: > ><> > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), >Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:11 pm Subject: Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] - > > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have ever listened too so bad I threw it out. Cheers Gary. Np.The Keep > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Rock Glynn said.................. It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like > me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy > Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show > with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of > the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the > style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches > and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into > 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? > I recall I have in my collection somewhere a tape of Tommy Vance on Radio 1 playing some TD (Cloudburst flight may be) or another electronic act and he wasn't too nce about them! It was along the lines of the music scene being rife with that kind of rubbish....... How's laughing now, Tommy? Nice to see Classic Rock taking an interest. David > Glynn > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit > > RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) Ho ho ho ho, ahem. Moving swiftly on. They are ace though, honestly......Gulp! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26434 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] HI > I agree his classic work and incorporation of strings and so on isn't half as good as > he thinks it is. The master of that is a chap called Stephen Bacchus who is > astounding at it. Subtle and devastating but electronic too. He can also get off on > a riff for 40 minutes that goes nowhere. Schulze, not Bacchus that is. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Future of TD?? With all the recent talk and speculation surrounding the fact that Edgar might soon permanently pass over the TD reigns to Jerome, a couple of points struck me concerning the version of TD we see on stage. 1. The proposed trilogy of concerts at various locations around the world. It has been muted that it might take TD up to 2 years to complete this trilogy. It must have been in the planning stages for a long while now, and if that's the case, then surely Edgar would want to remain part of the band to complete this project, especialy as it seems to be classically-based. 2. Without Edgar, does anyone have any ideas on just how TD might plan to present themselves on stage in the future? Just Jerome, Zlatco and Emil? A new member to 'replace' Edgar? Trying to imagine TD on stage without him is very difficult, particularly when to all intents and purposes, he is Tangerine Dream! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26468 Re: Future of TD?? Nigbur D Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26470 Re: Future of TD?? Greg Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26471 Re: Future of TD?? Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26475 Re: Future of TD?? Feldon Feldon Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26476 Re: Future of TD?? lawlermusic Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26481 Re: Future of TD?? Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26484 Re: Future of TD?? Deborah Johnson Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26490 Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26491 Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts - > Hi Talking of all these other artists I have listened to a few of them some you like some you don't I have two Cd's for sale/trade they are Fjord Transit- Air Sculpture and Appears to Vanish-Paul Ellis if interested please E-mail off list. cheers Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > P.S. Someone forgot Free System Projeckt on that Who's Who list. Oddly I've not bought anything by them, or Dwellar At The Threshold, any thoughts on either? cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > <> > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release) Hey ! have some other people joined Arcane without me knowing ? and changed the title ? ; ) Reminds me of that great TD album 'Lily is a bitch' Ha! I`m a fine one to talk about spelingg . Paul From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: ALTERSTILL On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:42:49 -0000 'lawlermusic' writes: >>> I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release) > >Reminds me of that great TD album 'Lily is a bitch' >Ha! I`m a fine one to talk about spelingg . Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > Paul -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26440 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 5 KB 26451 Re: ALTERSTILL lawlermusic Thu 3/15/2001 6 KB 26456 Re: ALTERSTILL Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 7 KB 26460 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26461 Re: ALTERSTILL lawlermusic Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26464 Re: ALTERSTILL Jack Kramer Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26473 Re: ALTERSTILL scfeldman@j... Fri 3/16/2001 4 KB 26489 Re: ALTERSTILL Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 5 KB 26492 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Sat 3/17/2001 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi Someone mentioned to me ones that this might be Yello, but I haven't been able to confirm that. Jan > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I > always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer > animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan > Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > _________________________________________________________ Do You > Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > than a CD? Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing SynthMusicDirect as follows: 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd incarnation of Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of mainly studio pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a period where they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised by their 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of the finest melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms and crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often endured on stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place in front of the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at least kept his hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and carefully develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern edge further influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at the time. This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant Jodrell Bank concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment such is the power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to whether Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but the crowd reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio version. Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps the highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, the piece then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the most infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added by the fact that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of the 'China' period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the track, a story fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane concert in '77. Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece originally recorded in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this particular version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where 2000 people tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not Kraftwerk, walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live album would have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. Rumours abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see the light of day in a subsequent release. Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, dynamics - any combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, brilliantly. Buy without hesitation. (GG) ' Not sure why it's a CDR though. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a compilation but it's fairly average. *Well IMO the most TD like (and best) was Romace '76 > The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern > Wasteland, *I'll second that emotion..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi > I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation > showcase linked > > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I > haven't > > checked the MP3 though. I remember my jaw almost physically dropping at that video. How far things have come in ten years!! Fairly good music too. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26443 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi Just went to CDnow and had a listen to the tracks from JH 'beyond the.....' and NO it's not from there. Jan > Hi > > > I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. > > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation > > showcase linked > > > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan > Hammer. I > > haven't > > > checked the MP3 though. > > I remember my jaw almost physically dropping at that video. > How far things have come in ten years!! > Fairly good music too. > > cheers > Mark > > _________________________________________________________ Do You > Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15,