From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer >From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] >Oh, and one more question: what does the 'sorcerer' stand for? Some indian >voodoo magician who sends curses on the operation? One of the trucks was actually named 'Sorcerer' (the one driven by 'Serrano' and 'Martinez'). When they're crossing the first bridge, you briefly see it painted on the side of the truck underneath the door. - jim From: rubyconist@y... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: Re: White Eagle / Sorcerer --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Few toughts about WE... > > Guess you just bought it? > Isn't that obvious? > >Mojave Plan is wonderful composition (not to mention its 15+ long :-) > >It's truly a fun listening experience, if I may say. > > > > > I somewhat dislike the spooky intro... it doesn't fit in, if you understand > what I mean. The 1st main section is fun IMHO as well, and I still think > it's somewhat similar to the first half of Poland. The 2nd section is a bit > lamer, and I don't know why, but I associate it with Jarre's Calypso Part > 2... The final is great, especially the beginning of it. > > > >Midnight In Tula is cool and groovy. It's the best tracks along side > >with the Mojave Plan. (I know that you might have something to say > >about this, but I don't care!) > > > > > --- > > > >Convention At 24 isn't much. Reminds me of Volcano (from Tangents > >Box), so I quess this is Edgars job. Dull. Few sounds reminds me of > >Green Desert, tough. > > > > > It's good sequencing, but not much more. Kinda like Coldwater Canyon. > > Green Desert? Which piece from it? You mean the title track? > > ...I say we need a good notation to tell whether someone is referring to an > album or its title track. How about using a ' after albums' names? eg. > Rockoon', Phaedra', Hyperborea' White Clouds for example. > > > >White Eagle is soothing and calm. Nice track. > > > > > Very skyish, but wayyy too short! And wow, it must be the most leafy track I > know. It has about a dozen different instruments playing at the best... > Hmm... let's see. > -2 plink-plonk thingys > -two-layered humming > -2 bass sequences > -drumbeat > -te-te-te -noises > -basic melody > -the whispering > > Yep, it is at least 12. Well, at least you can come up with new words... > > >Regards, > >TheInfection > > > Here we go again... > > I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, > what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck with > a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but so? > > I was a bit disappointed by the slowness and simplyness of the overall > rhytm, but it's not that bad... Yes, it's slow, but it's a good thing. And it's darkest what I've heard from TD. > My favorites are Search, Vengeance, (side note: there's 'vengeance', > 'revenge' and 'avenge' but just what does that 'venge' itself mean?) Grind, > and Betrayal. Main Title and Abyss are unpleasant, but the others are OK. > Also, it says that the original disk was 90 minutes. The outro of Rain > Forest would pretty nicely adjoin to the intro in Cherokee Lane; could that > one have actually been on the fuller version? (instead of simply being > improvised by existing voices) > > John Vertical Regards, TheInfection From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: OT:Roland XP-80 Hello all, I finally got myself a keyboard on Friday. I bought the Roland XP-80 used at one of the local stores for $850.00 plus a hard case for $50.00 and I got the keyboards of the 60's and 70's add-on card. Besides bragging a bit I am looking for any tips or suggestions from any of you who own this keyboard. Also websites with midi and other info. Thanks for the help, THE HIGHLANDER Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30018 Re: OT:Roland XP-80 Matthew Stringer Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer I was very disappointed with Thief when it was broadcast on BBC recently. It was so tedious and dated that I switched off halfway through. Still, the first few minutes of uninterrupted TD music were nice. On the whole, however, the soundtrack beats the living daylights out of the film. Sorcerer is a different matter. Brilliantly tense and focused plot and a great soundtrack that fits nicely. I'm still impressed with the movie for creating such an unbelievable amount of suspense without any violence at all. The scene where the truck is teetering on the jungle bridge with the fantastic TD music as a backdrop had me not only on the edge of my seat but even holding my breath for the longest time I can remember. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 10 November 2001 18:41 Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, > >what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck > >with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but > >so? > > That's the basic idea. These four guys have to drive two trucks full of > nitroglycerine along a treacherous jungle 'road' (as I recall, the > nitroglycerine is needed to put out an oil fire). It's very tense. > > I thought it was a pretty good movie. I definitely liked it better than Thief. > > --Daniel > NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30025 Re: Sorcerer (on DVD ?) toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/12/2001 4 KB 30042 Re: Sorcerer (on DVD ?) Utch Entel Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: Richard Stevens Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:25 am Subject: Favourite Music other than TD I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30007 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Steve Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30009 Favourite Music other than TD Kevin Robert Ball Sun 11/11/2001 3 KB 30012 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Deb H-J Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30010 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Jim Moore Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30017 Re: Favourite Music other than TD sean@t... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30020 Re: Favourite Music other than TD PENFOLD Mon 11/12/2001 3 KB 30022 Re: Favourite Music other than TD rubyconist@y... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30023 Re: Favourite Music other than TD toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30032 Re: Favourite Music other than TD webmaster@j... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD 1. Astral Projection 2. FSOL 3. Jarre 4. Vangelis 5. DM ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stevens' To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30011 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Carl Kearney Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30013 Re: Favourite Music other than TD David Lai Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30014 Re: Favourite Music other than TD odean@m... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30015 Re: Favourite Music other than TD John Vertical Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30016 Re: Favourite Music other than TD ohmss761@c... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30021 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Heiko Heerssen Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30024 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Synthhtnys@a... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30033 Music other than TD - Harald Grosskopf toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30104 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 10:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Richard said: > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what > are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? In no particular order... Velvet Underground Tyrannosaurus Rex/T Rex Van der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill Curved Air Toyah Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: gyedid01@y... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: [OT] CONTACT ME OFF-LIST Would the following people please contact me off-list: Joe Shoults Kevin Earley Carlo Ruggiero thanks, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30133 Re: [OT] CONTACT ME OFF-LIST kevine@c... Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB 30134 Re: [OT] CONTACT ME OFF-LIST kevine@c... Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:10 pm Subject: Favourite Music other than TD Five Only! - Now that is difficult but there goes :- 1) Radio Massacre International 2) Camel 3) The Pat Metheny Group 4) Vangelis 5) Michael Franks But then don't forget :- OMD, The Blue Nile, Hue & Cry, Hall & Oates, Joshua Kadison, John Farnham, Steve Winwood, Talk Talk, After The Fire, Big Country, Del Amitri, Eloy, Saga, Everything But The Girl, Bruce Hornsby, Kraftwerk, La Düsseldorf, Marillion, & Donald Fagan. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Stevens [mailto:richard.stevens4@b...] Sent: 12 November 2001 06:25 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30012 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Deb H-J Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD From: Richard Stevens [mailto:richard.stevens4@b...] >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 >favourite acts other than TD? Kansas The Police (esp. Stewart Copeland) Vangelis Pink Floyd Toto (for some strange reason) - jim From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stevens' To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? In no order of preference. Pink Floyd Rush Paul Lawler Mark Shreeve Andy Pickford Regards Carl . Should have gone top ten :-)) From: Deb H-J Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Here's my $.02 worth on Five Favorites other than TD. I'm sticking with electronic/ambient music since that's the only way I can restrict myself to only five. (1) Global Communication (2) Steve Roach (3) Kit Watkins (4) Single Cell Orchestra (5) Mike Oldfield Five favorite contemporary classical composers? Five favorite bands? We could go on and on... Eclectic Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From: 'David Lai' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD 1) Pat Metheny Group 2) Genesis 3) U2 4) The Cure 5) R.E.M. and Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, Steely Dan -- David From: odean@m... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Electronic and related Ashra Jean-Michel Jarre Andy Pickford Klaus Schulze Mark Shreeve Spyra Synergy Vangelis Other stuff: The Flower Kings Yes Dean Can Dance Steve Hackett Hawkwind October Project Pink Floyd Ozric Tentacles Penguin Cafe Orchestra Porcupine Tree Renaissance Rush Heavenly Music Corporation Stereolab Strunz & Farah Varttina Steve Vai Rick Wakeman Sorry, but I need a BIG suitcase on my 'desert island!' Oscar From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD 5? I'm quite a monomaniac, I can't possibly name that many ones. Haven't had time to try out other things, etc. Hmmm. On the electronic field I'll go with the easy solution and say Jarre and Vangelis. Then there's Pekka Pohjola. He's a good basist, but his solo albums rock. Still need two more... aghh. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: ohmss761@c... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Great thread! At the risk of bragging (too late on a topic like this), I love just about every type of music imaginable....but my 5 favorite composers would have to be: Jerry Goldsmith Bernard Herrmann Ennio Morricone Christopher Young John Barry and everytime someone mentions Jarre, I immediately think of Maurice, not Jean-Michel :-) Is it ok to favor orchestral music, and still hang out here? Please!??! ;-) NP: Wes Craven's New Nightmare(Robinson) All the best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: sean@t... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 7:13 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD I think I may be somewhat of an anomaly on this list, in that I really don't listen to much electronic or 'prog' artists other than TD (I like Vangelis well enough, but rarely feel like popping 'Themes' in my player). At the same time, my musical tastes do run a vast spectrum, from 60s Motown to 70s Disco to 80s New Wave and 90s 'Trip Hop'. But you ask me to pick artists, so lemme see... To help narrow the field, I'll stick with currently active bands. And I'm going to give you ten. Saint Etienne Massive Attack Thievery Corporation Cocteau Twins (who actually split up in 1996, so I suppose that violates my rule about 'currently active'...but they're the band that I have the most material by, other than TD) Moby Beck Air The Beastie Boys David Bowie The Magnetic Fields (no, not the Jarre album) Depeche Mode and U2 would have made the cut, if not for the fact that their last three albums have sucked. -Sean Montgomery From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT:Roland XP-80 I used to have one of these, awsome keyboard! Have fun! Matt On Sunday 11 November 2001 6:08 pm, you wrote: > [tadream] OT:Roland XP-80 > From: Robert Grabowsky > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:08:05 -0500 > > Hello all, >    I finally got myself a keyboard on Friday. I bought the Roland XP-80 > used at one of the local stores for $850.00 plus a hard case for $50.00 and From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:47 am Subject: caby.de and my email address Hallo, meine Domain, www.caby.de, und damit auch meine EMail-Adresse, klaus@c... ziehen diese Woche zu einem neuen Provider um, und ich bin auf Geschaeftsreise. Es kann also zu kurzfristigen Ausfaellen kommen. Keine Panik, ist dann bald alles wieder da! Hi all, this week, my domain and EMail-address will move to a new provider, while I'm away on a business trip. Don't panic if there are a few outages, everything will be back up to normal soon. Im Notfall / for emergencies : tdklaus@w... viele Gruesse best regards klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: PENFOLD Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD At 01.11.11 22:25, Richard Stevens wrote: >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your >5 favourite acts other than TD? In no particular order: Pink Floyd Beatles DEVO Esquivel Synergy Jethro Tull Philip Glass P.D.Q. Bach (I know it's more than 5, but I've never been one to march to anyone's drummer) Other artists I listen to with a little personal bias: Matty the Mutaytor Matt's a friend who's & an incredible soloist drummer and has other friends of mine as guest musicians. One quasi-regular guest musician plays Theremin and another's a bass sequencer guru (not as good as CF, but pretty good) Insecto Real biased on this one because I'm one of their road crew and a performer/dancer (check them out at http://www.insecto.org/ you'll see me in the 'Army March' video. If you like 'Unholy Buffonery' as one reviewer said, you'll like the visual theatre that accompanies their music....we got fire performers!) Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > > >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your > >5 favourite acts other than TD? 1.) Amon Düül 2 2.) Popol Vuh 3.) Comsat Angels 4.) Captain Beefheart 5.) The Residents From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD --- In tadream@y..., Richard Stevens wrote: > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? Movie scores (Hans Zimmer, Danny Elfman, etc.), Mike Oldfield, Blue Öyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Klaus Schulze and Vangelis. That kind of stuff. The usual I quess. Regards, TheInfection From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Led Zeppelin Yes Pink Floyd Klaus Schulze Ashra Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it on CD Toby --- In tadream@y..., Richard Stevens wrote: > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD In a message dated 11/12/2001 2:34:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, toby.braddick@u... writes: > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > on CD > > Toby > > *Seriously? I've never seen this... How is it? EM? or more rock? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30033 Music other than TD - Harald Grosskopf toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30104 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:36 am Subject: Re: Sorcerer (on DVD ?) Does anyone know if this is available on DVD for region 2? I suspect that surround sound would be fantastic. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > I was very disappointed with Thief when it was broadcast on BBC recently. It was so tedious and dated that I switched off halfway through. Still, the first few minutes of uninterrupted TD music were nice. On the whole, however, the soundtrack beats the living daylights out of the film. > > Sorcerer is a different matter. Brilliantly tense and focused plot and a great soundtrack that fits nicely. I'm still impressed with the movie for creating such an unbelievable amount of suspense without any violence at all. The scene where the truck is teetering on the jungle bridge with the fantastic TD music as a backdrop had me not only on the edge of my seat but even holding my breath for the longest time I can remember. > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: 10 November 2001 18:41 > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, > > >what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck > > >with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but > > >so? > > > > That's the basic idea. These four guys have to drive two trucks full of > > nitroglycerine along a treacherous jungle 'road' (as I recall, the > > nitroglycerine is needed to put out an oil fire). It's very tense. > > > > I thought it was a pretty good movie. I definitely liked it better than Thief. > > > > --Daniel > > NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30042 Re: Sorcerer (on DVD ?) Utch Entel Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Hi My other favourite bands/artists in no particular order The Sisters of Mercy Hawkwind Paul Lawlwer/Arcane Redshift/Shreeves Motorhead Roy Harper Best Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD (1) Jethro Tull (2) They Might Be Giants (3) Klaus Schulze (4) Chris Franke (5) Badly Drawn Boy Jarre used to be in there somewhere, but he disappeared over the years... I note that a few people who like TD also seem to like Tull. That's nice but surprising. Do you think it's just a historical thing, or is there something subtly similar that attracts you to both acts' music? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stevens' To: Sent: 12 November 2001 06:25 Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD I note that a few people who like TD also seem to like Tull. That's nice but surprising. Do you think it's just a historical thing, or is there something subtly similar that attracts you to both acts' music? Dennis *Toi me they both share qualities of being intellectual, there's a sense of craftsmanship, They're both musically individualistic in the extreme...also a sense of vision..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30034 Music other than TD - Tull toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:41 am Subject: Favorite Music other than TD For me Bruce Springsteen Bob Dylan The Who Led Zep Little Steven John Stewart And yes, 5 is too small a number. Regards, DPH From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD No particular order: 1. The Beta Band 2. Mike Oldfield 3. Pink Floyd 4. Air French Band 5. FSOL And at times also making the top 5 list: Jarre, Acoustic Alchemy, Orb, Zero 7, The Avalanches, Kraftwerk, Tim Follin, and BT. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30031 Re: Favourite Music other than TD j.gordon Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Five? sheesh... that's almost as hard as 10 Desert Island Discs... how about five per genre?... ;) NPO: 1. Pink Floyd 2. Mr. Bungle 3. Rush 4. Oingo Boingo 5. Thomas Newman but now that i mention it, it probably wouldn't be too hard to come up with 10 discs to live out the rest of my life with: 1. PF - Dark Side 2. - Wish You Were Here 3. Rush - Permanent Waves 4. - Moving Pictures 5. TD - Livemiles 6. - Underwater Sunlight 7. The Real Group - Uncommonly Unique 8. Meet Joe Black OST 9. McCoy Tyner - Soliliquies 10. Leo Trotter Trio - Sweeny Todd in Jazz okay, okay, that was MUCH harder than I'd like... =) j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From: webmaster@j... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, > what are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? My no. 5's are: 1. Wishful Thinking (of 'Hiroshima'-fame) 2. Beatles 3. Magna Carta 4. Dharana (German EM band: www.dharana.de) 5. Pink Floyd Thus quoth the webmaster of JS P.S.: 5 is not enough for a desert island ;-) From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Music other than TD - Harald Grosskopf Electronic, quite lively with about 4 tracks each side of the LP. I haven't listened to it for some time as my record deck is covered up. --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/12/2001 2:34:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > toby.braddick@u... writes: > > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > > on CD > > > > Toby > > > > > > *Seriously? I've never seen this... How is it? EM? or more rock? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:49 pm Subject: Music other than TD - Tull I'd agree with Poly on this (Tull didn't make my top 5 but they'd be in the top 10). Toby --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > I note that a few people who like TD also seem to like Tull. That's nice but > surprising. Do you think it's just a historical thing, or is there something > subtly similar that attracts you to both acts' music? > > Dennis > > > *Toi me they both share qualities of being intellectual, there's a sense of > craftsmanship, They're both musically individualistic in the extreme...also a > sense of vision..... > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > > on CD > > *Seriously? I've never seen this... How is it? EM? or more rock? > Poly Harald Grosskopf has some albums and CDs out, but I don't have the discography. I do have on CD 'Synthesist' and 'Best of'. This is definitely Berlin school music with possibly a bit more rhythm. I highly recommend his releases. Vic From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Harold Grosskopf I think he was also part of a group called Central Europe Performance CEP on the Erdenklnag label... I think the name of the CD was Breakfast in the Ruins... >>> tangerinedream@a... 11/12/01 08:30AM >>> > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > > on CD > > *Seriously? I've never seen this... How is it? EM? or more rock? > Poly Harald Grosskopf has some albums and CDs out, but I don't have the discography. I do have on CD 'Synthesist' and 'Best of'. This is definitely Berlin school music with possibly a bit more rhythm. I highly recommend his releases. Vic ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30054 Re: Harold Grosskopf Kees Tue 11/13/2001 3 KB 30069 Re: Harold Grosskopf webmaster@j... Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB 30071 Re: Harold Grosskopf Heiko Heerssen Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD My top 5 favourites are : 1 Johannes Schmoelling 2 Paul Haslinger 3 Ennio Morricone 4 Jerry Goldsmith 5 Pat metheny Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30070 Re: Favourite Music other than TD webmaster@j... Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Steven' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 8:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD 1, Vangelis 2, Pete Bardens 3. Andreas Vollenweider 4. Fresh Aire 5. Mike Oldfield Regards Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stevens To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:06 pm Subject: Re: Favourite music other than TD Okay, let's go with my immediate three, as these artists I have significant collections of: Pink Floyd Andy Pickford Vangelis but my collection also sports (that is, possess more than just one CD of) Art of Noise, The Beatles, ELP, Numan/Tubeway Army (up to PP only, plus hits collection), R.E.M., Visage, Mark Shreeve, and countless others, many of course being electronic music, but also a healthy assortment of other stuff. It's nice to see we're not just a bunch of TD and electronic music only freaks... Roger Hartopp -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30062 Re: Favourite music other than TD NEUMANN.H-J@t... Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB 30186 Favourite music other than TD David Foster Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Parisian Dreams Cd? Like to 'bay' it?? What does that mean? You mean you want to sell it as a bootleg on ebay.com? > -----Original Message----- > From: roffe82@y... [mailto:roffe82@y...] > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:30 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Parisian Dreams Cd? > > > Like to bay this exelent Concert on CD. > Any one who can help me to find´it. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Parisian Dreams Cd? We probably meant BUY it.... >>> jshoults@f... 11/12/01 09:50AM >>> Like to 'bay' it?? What does that mean? You mean you want to sell it as a bootleg on ebay.com? > -----Original Message----- > From: roffe82@y... [mailto:roffe82@y...] > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:30 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Parisian Dreams Cd? > > > Like to bay this exelent Concert on CD. > Any one who can help me to find´it. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer (on DVD ?) Hi, Toby! >Does anyone know if this is available on DVD for region 2? I suspect >that surround sound would be fantastic. Yes, Sorcerer is available on DVD. I purchased mine through DVD Planet... ...or some such named on-line site. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. --Thomas Jefferson From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:02 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Hi, Richard! >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 >favourite acts other than TD? Just 5, eh? Well, depends on current mood, but here they are... 1) Tom Vedvik 2) Brent Lewis 3) Jean-Michel Jarre 4) F.S.O.L. 5) Cusco ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. --Abraham Lincoln From: tangram12@a... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: message board hi everyone i have set up a message board on my webiste, since the TDI guestbook went down there is only here for people to let off steam, so instead of posting on this mailing list please feel free to use my message board instead. it can be found on my website, URL below. thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mikael.jussila@p... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: Newbie/Favourite Music other than TD/Tull Greetings, I've been lurking around here quite a long time and thought now is the right to say hi. I'm a 18-year-old student from Finland (yup, I know there are others with the same description), if someone really is interested. I have listened TD for about a year, with the help of the.infection/rubyconist, who I think you all know. > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what >are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? Like J. Vertical, one another Finn, I have dedicated my musical taste only for few bands/musicians. My favs include Blue Öyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Pekka Pohjola, Ennio Morricone, and all the others who are mentioned here. Someone wondered are there any similarities between TD and JT. I've always thought that those two bands are from the other sides of the same coin. TaDream is only music, Tull is always music plus something else. Never been interested in what Edgar does behind his keyboards, but I sure do like to see Ian bouncing on the stage. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30065 Re: Newbie/Favourite Music other than TD/Tull rubyconist@y... Tue 11/13/2001 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Feldman's Favourite Music other than TD The Nightcrawlers Giorgio Moroder Robert Carty Roxy Music The Stranglers Steven Feldman From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:23 pm Subject: Re.Favourite music other than TD Hi here is my contribution EM related Johannes Schmoelling Robert Schroeder Arcane Vangelis Mark Shreeve Other artists Madonna Gerry Rafferty Chris Rea Clifford T Ward from the 80's Ultravox,OMD,Queen and ELO Cheers Gary From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: [tadream] Shepherds Bush CD single on e-bay Hi all, I've decided to sell something on e-bay (for the first time ever), what is it, I hear you ask? Well, it's the Shepherd's Bush CD single, here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1484717315 Happy bidding :-) Paul From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:57 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Lately: Navigator Mind~Flux Shpongle 'Are you Shpongled?' Sublime Nemesis Long Term: Mind~Flux Vangelis Jimi Hendrix Beatles -singing Yellow Submarine w/ my son is way fun Bob Marley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD 1. Mike Oldfield - definitly numer 1 2. Klaus Schulze 3. JMJarre 4. Chris Franke 5. Rainbow Serpent 6. Cradle of Filth 7. Moonspell - to the album Wolfheart 8. Adiemus 9. Enya 10. Marek Bilinski Greetings The Station / Stacja _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re: Top 5 My five other most collected artists (ignoring TD-related like Froese, Franke, Schmoelling, etc.) are: Aphex Twin Pete Namlook (and associated Fax artists) Ultravox (and solo Ure and Foxx) Genesis Under the Dome Enjoy Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30052 Re: Top 5 goozer@a... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30056 Re: Top 5 ohmss761@c... Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB 30106 Re: Top 5 Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 8:00 pm Subject: Re: Top 5 Hmmmmm...only 5.... In alphabetical order: Jan Hammer Iona Jeff Johnson Santana The 77s ...with Mortal/Fold Zandura (same guys, different names), Ozric Tentacles, Resurrection Band (Rez), Phil Keaggy, James Horner, Global Communication, Patrick O'Hearn, Paul Haslinger, Charlie Peacock & Saviour Machine tying for #6. :) goozer From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: RE: Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what > are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? My musical tastes vary like the tides. Today: Pink Floyd Phish moe. Grateful Dead Widespread Panic Scott From: Kees Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Harold Grosskopf At 08:43 12-11-01 -0500, you wrote: >I think he was also part of a group called Central Europe Performance CEP >on the Erdenklnag label... I think the name of the CD was Breakfast in the >Ruins... > > >>> tangerinedream@a... 11/12/01 08:30AM >>> > > > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > > > on CD > > > > *Seriously? I've never seen this... How is it? EM? or more rock? > > Poly > >Harald Grosskopf has some albums and CDs out, but I don't have the >discography. I do have on CD 'Synthesist' and 'Best of'. >This is definitely Berlin school music with possibly a bit more rhythm. I >highly recommend his releases. Don't forget 'World of Quetzal'. Very innovative drumming. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Electronic music http://www.groove.nl ---> Web design http://www.abiz-nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD In a message dated 11/12/2001 6:42:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, jshoults@f... writes: > > No John Williams in that mix? > Oh....I guess, if I have to :) :) :) I do love his work, but he's a bit overrated by some....and if I hate anything, it's whatever is popular with everyone else:)lol Ironically, I write this as I am playing my newly received ltd. ed. cd of Williams' HEARTBEEPS, which uses more synths than any other score he has written! Best, Sean Ps.....a million kudos to whoever mentioned Thomas Newman, another one of my top faves.....why didn't you ask for 10 instead of 5!?!?! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ohmss761@c... [mailto:ohmss761@c...] > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:47 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > > > > > > Great thread! > > > > At the risk of bragging (too late on a topic like this), I > > love just about > > every type of music imaginable....but my 5 favorite composers > > would have to > > be: > > > > Jerry Goldsmith > > Bernard Herrmann > > Ennio Morricone > > Christopher Young > > John Barry > > > > > > and everytime someone mentions Jarre, I immediately think of > > Maurice, not > > Jean-Michel :-) > > > > Is it ok to favor orchestral music, and still hang out here? > > Please!??! ;-) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top 5 In a message dated 11/12/2001 12:00:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, goozer@a... writes: > Hmmmmm...only 5.... > > In alphabetical order: > > Jan Hammer > Iona > Jeff Johnson > Santana > The 77s > > ...with Mortal/Fold Zandura (same guys, different names), Ozric Tentacles, > Resurrection Band (Rez), Phil Keaggy, James Horner, > Global Communication, Patrick O'Hearn, Paul Haslinger, Charlie Peacock & > Saviour Machine tying for #6. :) > > goozer > Oops.....in my haste, I forgot James Horner in my list:( As much as people knock him, he's hada hell of a career, and has written some incredible melodies. To stay a bit on topic, Ian Underwood used to play synths for him:) Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30106 Re: Top 5 Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:27 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD all I've heard is the American Beauty OST, and it is great. -----Original Message----- From: ohmss761@c... ... Ps.....a million kudos to whoever mentioned Thomas Newman, another one of my top faves.....why didn't you ask for 10 instead of 5!?!?! From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:35 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD In a message dated 11/11/01 5:28:56 PM, richard.stevens4@b... writes: >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your >5 favourite acts other than TD? Tough question. Ranking my top 5 of all time would be extremely difficult, but are my top 5 of the moment: Dream Theater Orbital Project Pitchfork Transatlantic Edguy Ask me tomorrow and you'll probably get a different answer. --Daniel NP: Astralasia--The Space Between From: izyrp@o... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:43 am Subject: Baltes/Grosskopf/Heilhecker check out the great Baltes/Grosskopf/Heilhecker release '4x3' on manikin records... siggy tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:45:50 -0000 > From: toby.braddick@u... > Subject: Music other than TD - Harald Grosskopf > > Electronic, quite lively with about 4 tracks each side of the LP. I > haven't listened to it for some time as my record deck is covered up. > > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/12/2001 2:34:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > toby.braddick@u... writes: > > > > > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never > seen it > > > on CD > > > > > > Toby From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD >>I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your >>5 favourite acts other than TD? Well, this is a tough one. Hmmm..The first three would be: 1. Hawkwind 2. Klaus Schulze 3. Frank Zappa Then, I think I'll go with: 4. Ozric Tentacles 5. Jimi Hendrix From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:00 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Hi folks, Better late than never..... Top 5 groups: (besides TD) 1)Marillion 2)Blue Oyster Cult 3)Jethro Tull 4)Pink Floyd 5)Yes Top 5 solo artists: 1)David Bowie 2)Lou Reed 3)Pete Townshend 4)Tori Amos 5)Neil Young Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:47 am Subject: RE: Favourite music other than TD Hi all, I like: ASHRA Klaus Schulze Electric Orange (New Space-Krautrock) Vangelis (specially 'Mythodea') Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Pohjola >Greetings, > >I've been lurking around here quite a long time and thought now is >the right to say hi. I'm a 18-year-old student from Finland (yup, I >know there are others with the same description), if someone really >is interested. I have listened TD for about a year, with the help of >the.infection/rubyconist, who I think you all know. > > > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what > >are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? > >Like J. Vertical, one another Finn, I have dedicated my musical taste >only for few bands/musicians. My favs include Blue Öyster Cult, >Jethro Tull, Pekka Pohjola, Ennio Morricone, and all the others who >are mentioned here. > Wow. Another Pohjola fan. Which albums you like the most? I'd have to go with Harakka Bialoipokku, Kätkävaaran Lohikäärme and Urban Tango. Haven't heard Views yet, however. John Vertical (Juho Pystynen) PS: anyone feel free to mention if you'd think this better be off list _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30066 Re: Pohjola rubyconist@y... Tue 11/13/2001 3 KB 30116 Re: Pohjola Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB 30118 Re: Pohjola John Vertical Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB 30146 Re: Pohjola Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Fri 11/16/2001 3 KB 30184 Re: Pohjola mikael.jussila@p... Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Hi folks, here are my 'TOP 5' (no particular order): *Klaus Schulze* *Jethro Tull* *Yes* *Ash Ra Tempel* *Embryo* .... sometimes one of these jumps from a position between 5 to ?into my 'Top 5': *Allman Brothers* *Can* *Kraan* *Popol Vuh* *Gov T Mule* *Amon Düül* *Bernd Kistenmacher* ..... and some 'good' others ....... cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stevens' To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:58 am Subject: Re: Newbie/Favourite Music other than TD/Tull --- In tadream@y..., mikael.jussila@p... wrote: > Greetings, > > I've been lurking around here quite a long time and thought now is > the right to say hi. I'm a 18-year-old student from Finland (yup, I > know there are others with the same description), if someone really > is interested. I have listened TD for about a year, with the help of > the.infection/rubyconist, who I think you all know. > > > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what > >are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? > > Like J. Vertical, one another Finn, I have dedicated my musical taste > only for few bands/musicians. My favs include Blue Öyster Cult, > Jethro Tull, Pekka Pohjola, Ennio Morricone, and all the others who > are mentioned here. > > Someone wondered are there any similarities between TD and JT. I've > always thought that those two bands are from the other sides of the > same coin. TaDream is only music, Tull is always music plus something > else. Never been interested in what Edgar does behind his keyboards, > but I sure do like to see Ian bouncing on the stage. > > *Fornit Some Fornus* > MJUSSILA I knew it! At the moment when Tull is mentioned, you posted. You just couldn't stay away? :-) Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:01 am Subject: Re: Pohjola --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Greetings, > > > >I've been lurking around here quite a long time and thought now is > >the right to say hi. I'm a 18-year-old student from Finland (yup, I > >know there are others with the same description), if someone really > >is interested. I have listened TD for about a year, with the help of > >the.infection/rubyconist, who I think you all know. > > > > > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what > > >are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? > > > >Like J. Vertical, one another Finn, I have dedicated my musical taste > >only for few bands/musicians. My favs include Blue Öyster Cult, > >Jethro Tull, Pekka Pohjola, Ennio Morricone, and all the others who > >are mentioned here. > > > > > Wow. Another Pohjola fan. Which albums you like the most? I'd have to go > with Harakka Bialoipokku, Kätkävaaran Lohikäärme and Urban Tango. Haven't > heard Views yet, however. > > John Vertical (Juho Pystynen) I actually liked Jokamies/Everyman. It has that dark athmosphere, you know. Harakka Bialoipokku is okay. Cheerful even. Regards, TheInfection From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD In a message dated 11/13/2001 12:47:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, herold.u@t... writes: > Hi folks, > > here are my 'TOP 5' (no particular order): > > *Klaus Schulze* > *Jethro Tull* > *Yes* > *Ash Ra Tempel* > *Embryo* > *Being the lazy son of a bitch that I am I was waiting for someone with similar tastes to come along for me to tag on just a couple ammends... Ah! Here's one... *I'd take out Embryo (only 'cause I've never heard 'em, what are they like?) and add: '70's ELP Al Stewart Ambrosia Beatles Jellyfish Simon & Garfunkel Moody Blues XTC Fleetwood Mac Queen EM I'd add: Michael Hoenig Eno Patrick O'Hearn Jean Michel Jarre Steve Roach That IS my shortlist Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: syldolu@v... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:57 am Subject: Favorite music other than TD Hi!Only 5 is very hard,so i'll go further In EM my top 5 are: K.Schulze M.Oldfield Kitaro Mergener/Software Free system project(Outstanding new comer) In rock or Progressive music: Pink Floyd/Roger Waters Led Zeppelin Beatles Yes Genesis Next,it shall be our top 10 of all time(but maybe it's already done) Sylvain from Québec NowPlaying/Danger in Dream's Entrance; Outstanding new EM artist.Very good,go buy this one. http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan From: webmaster@j... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:16 am Subject: Re: Harold Grosskopf Hi Michael A.! Yes Harald Grpßkopf was member of the CENTRAL EUROPE PERFORMANCE. The other members were both members of YOU (Albin Meskes and ? 'what the f*** was his name') and ZENAMON! Andreas --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote: > I think he was also part of a group called Central Europe Performance CEP on the Erdenklnag label... I think the name of the CD was Breakfast in the Ruins... > > >>> tangerinedream@a... 11/12/01 08:30AM >>> > > > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > > > on CD From: webmaster@j... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:17 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Thanx Paul! ;-) Andreas --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > My top 5 favourites are : > > 1 Johannes Schmoelling > 2 Paul Haslinger > 3 Ennio Morricone > 4 Jerry Goldsmith > 5 Pat metheny > > Paul From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Harold Grosskopf > Hi Michael A.! > Yes Harald Grpßkopf was member of the CENTRAL EUROPE > PERFORMANCE. The other members were both members of YOU (Albin > Meskes and ? 'what the f*** was his name') his name was Udo Hanten. I really like the YOU albums (Harald Großkopf also played drums on their first LP 'Electric day'), classic sequencer style EM music from the 70s/80s :-) Heiko From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD > Thanx Paul! ;-) > Andreas Ha ha !!! its true though, I`m not trying to be a ass kisser , I spent £50 on a copy of the original Zoo of Tranquiltity the other week, so that proves it !! :) Paul > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > > My top 5 favourites are : > > > > 1 Johannes Schmoelling > > 2 Paul Haslinger > > 3 Ennio Morricone > > 4 Jerry Goldsmith > > 5 Pat metheny > > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:11 pm Subject: Re Top five. Theres so many tremendous artists that have been around that picking just five is quite difficult, anyway heres some of mine MAN Ozric tentacles Hawkwind Triumverait Patrick Moraz Pink floyd Cosmic baby Rainbow serpent Captain Beefheart Public image Ltd Thats just ten,but theres a lot more. Best regards CJ From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD 1. Leftfield 2. New Order 3. The The 4. Danny Wilson 5. Electronic (as in Bernard Sumner/Johnny Marr) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Bonjour from France--only 5 ? Only for Brian ENO,i can choice 5 differents artists(exm:Harold BUDD,Jon HASSELL,LAARAJI etc...etc...)...But...there is my 5 favourites: -BRIAN ENO.(+/-45 albums) -GONG.(+/-80 albums) -HAWKWIND.(+/-90 albums) -Klaus SCHULZE.(+/-100 albums) -Heldon & Richard PINHAS(+/-20 albums) -----But it's only representativ of 20% of my 'discothèque'& why not the Very 15 Favourites ?-------------- Best Regards to All ,Erick/Doktor Strange'Toulouse,FRANCE.(doktorstrange@s...) From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD Harald GROßKOPF solo album ( the first) is only E.M.It is Interessant but not transcendant ! From: Neil Jellis Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:05 am Subject: RE: Favourite Music other than TD As with most contributors my list changes by the week but at the moment I'd say AirSculpture Free System Projekt Pink Floyd ['Ramp] Yes Honourable mentions to Arcane JMJ Paul Nagle Mike Oldfield Rush Under The Dome Rick Wakeman Neil From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD OK, so here are my top 5 fave non-TD groups of all time, in no particular order. I'm only including groups for which I feel I have an adequate grasp of their entire body of work, OR who were at certain points in my life undeniably my favorites, even if I was just a kid (i.e. Kiss). Top 4: Grateful Dead Pink Floyd (haven't heard anything in the last decade) The Police Rush All tied for 5th: Bob Marley Ozric Tentacles Kiss Judas Priest Queen The Who CSN(&Y) Led Zeppelin Genesis (up to and including abacab) Fantastic new discovery: Dweller at the Threshold/Paul Ellis Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30080 Re: Favourite Music other than TD TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB 30089 Re: Favourite Music other than TD goozer@a... Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB 30109 Re: Favourite Music other than TD TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Going a bit off-topic here, sorry... I'm noticing lots of prog-rock (especially Yes and Rush) in people's responses, but I don't think anyone but me has mentioned Dream Theater. So I'm going to suggest that anyone into prog-rock who hasn't yet looked into Dream Theater should do so ('Awake' is probably a good starting point). Spock's Beard, also. I think those two groups best represent where progressive rock is headed these days. --Daniel NP: Edguy--Mandrake From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD Just for the heck of it, as I have no news for you, yet: Top 7 (5 is too little) The Chameleons The Church The Cult The Mission Bauhaus Depeche Mode All About Eve and... The Psychedelic Furs Comsat Angels Peter Gabriel Kate Bush the Gathering NP: Saviour Machine: Legend III:I Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30089 Re: Favourite Music other than TD goozer@a... Tue 11/13/2001 2 KB 30109 Re: Favourite Music other than TD TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD agreed. also Porcupine Tree Flower Kings Djarem Karet np: Blues Traveler - Travelers & Thieves > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:18 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD > > > Going a bit off-topic here, sorry... > > I'm noticing lots of prog-rock (especially Yes and Rush) in people's > responses, but I don't think anyone but me has mentioned > Dream Theater. So > I'm going to suggest that anyone into prog-rock who hasn't > yet looked into > Dream Theater should do so ('Awake' is probably a good > starting point). > Spock's Beard, also. I think those two groups best represent where > progressive rock is headed these days. > > --Daniel > NP: Edguy--Mandrake > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD OH- and another new discovery: Sepulcrum Mentis http://www.sepulcrum-mentis.de np: Sepulcrum Mentis - Cut > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:26 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD > > > OK, so here are my top 5 fave non-TD groups of all time, in > no particular > order. I'm only including groups for which I feel I have an > adequate grasp > of their entire body of work, OR who were at certain points in my life > undeniably my favorites, even if I was just a kid (i.e. Kiss). > > Top 4: > Grateful Dead > Pink Floyd (haven't heard anything in the last decade) > The Police > Rush > > All tied for 5th: > Bob Marley > Ozric Tentacles > Kiss > Judas Priest > Queen > The Who > CSN(&Y) > Led Zeppelin > Genesis (up to and including abacab) > > > Fantastic new discovery: > Dweller at the Threshold/Paul Ellis > > Joe > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD I guess I cant resist, when nobody else did :-) JM Jarre Sigmund Groven (harmonica player) Tangerine Dream (old school) John Williams Vangelis Also on the top list: Erasure Kraftwerk Laserdance Dag Kolsrud (music producer) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'maggior@m...' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Hi! I've been lurking for a while, but I couldn't resist responding to this one. I'm a music fiend, so I agree with others - 5 is too few. So, here's 5 per category: EM == Autechre The Orb Orbital Radio Massacre International Mark Shreeve/Redshift Klaus Schulze (yes, I know, that's 6) Prog Rock ========= Rush Pink Floyd King Crimson Dream Theater (and side projects - e.g. Liquid Tension Experiment) Genesis (especially the Gabriel era) Hard Rock/Metal =============== Megadeth Queensryche Stone Temple Pilots Alice in Chains Red Hot Chili Peppers Jazz ==== Pat Metheny Acoustic Alchemy David Sanborn Return to Forever (and all of the solo projects - Stanley Clarke, Al DiMeola, etc.) John McLaughlin (Yes, this list is very guitar oriented) Classical Composers =================== Edvard Grieg (his piano concerto is one of my favorite peices of muic) Vivaldi Mahler Tchaikovsky (sp) Dvorak (His New World Symphony is fantastic) So, there ya have it! Rich Maggio Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard Stevens richard.stevens4@b... Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:25:25 -0800 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 favourite acts other than TD? R ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: moxica@m... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Pink Floyd (haven't heard anything in the last decade) I don't think there has been anything new in the last decade... - jim From: moxica@m... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > Hi! >John McLaughlin >(Yes, this list is very guitar oriented) Hasn't been as good since Pat Buchanan, Jack Germand, and Morton Kondrackie left the group... - jim From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' wrote: > Top 7 (5 is too little) > The Chameleons > The Church > The Cult > The Mission > Bauhaus > Depeche Mode > All About Eve Martin! I never would have suspected that you were a Goth.... :-) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30108 Re: Favourite Music other than TD TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 11/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:55 pm Subject: OT: RE: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD LOL! > -----Original Message----- > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > > > > Hi! > >John McLaughlin > >(Yes, this list is very guitar oriented) > > Hasn't been as good since Pat Buchanan, Jack Germand, and > Morton Kondrackie left the group... > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: goozer@a... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD --- In tadream@y..., 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' wrote: > > NP: Saviour Machine: Legend III:I I haven't picked this one up yet. How is it? I wish I could've seen them in Chicago this past summer, but I had already blown my vacation budget in So. Florida. I'm also still on the hunt for the original Frontline release of Saviour Machine II. All good things....:) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30109 Re: Favourite Music other than TD TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Top 5 non TD I'll assume that 'non-TD' means no (ex-)members' solo stuff, as that would mostly complete my list. In order of preference: 1. Vangelis 2. JMJ 3. Yanni 4. Patrick O'Hearn 5. (tie between John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Williams) Been listenin' to lots of soundtrack stuff recently, especially James Bond, Star Wars, and Star Trek stuff. I'm especially hooked on the title theme from 'Total Recall' by Jerry Goldsmith. Nice blend of electronic and orchestral. I'd also like to mention Pete Namlook and Ozric Tentacles, who've both been gettting lots of airplay recently thanks to my good friend Loren! James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30091 Re: Top 5 non TD Joe Shoults Tue 11/13/2001 3 KB 30093 Re: Top 5 non TD Owens, James Tue 11/13/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 non TD 'airplay'? you referring to a webcast? > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:22 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > I'll assume that 'non-TD' means no (ex-)members' solo stuff, > as that would > mostly complete my list. > In order of preference: > 1. Vangelis > 2. JMJ > 3. Yanni > 4. Patrick O'Hearn > 5. (tie between John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, > John Williams) > > Been listenin' to lots of soundtrack stuff recently, > especially James Bond, > Star Wars, and Star Trek stuff. > I'm especially hooked on the title theme from 'Total Recall' by Jerry > Goldsmith. Nice blend of electronic > and orchestral. > > I'd also like to mention Pete Namlook and Ozric Tentacles, > who've both been > gettting lots of airplay recently > thanks to my good friend Loren! > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Ok, for me it'll be just a top 3 - Toru Takemitsu - Orbital - Garbage and then in no particular order, Daft Punk, Air, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Glenn Branca, Mike Oldfield, Pink Floyd, The Smashing Pumpkins, K's Choice, Debussy, Alban Berg, Thelonius Monk, Laurent de Wilde, Diana Krall, Kraftwerk, Vangelis, Jarre, Can, Klaus Schulze, Angelo Badalamenti, Chris Franke, Jan Hammer, Joe Satriani, Patrick Rondat, Rage Against The Machine, Marillion, Suzanne Vega, Axelle Renoir, Alan Parsons Project, Philipp Glass, Goldfrapp, Portishead...etc. Ok, for a few of them, I just own one or two CD's (well, sometimes the artist actually only released one or two cd's) but then, what an album! NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants à votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 non TD Unfortunately, no. I chose my words poorly. I just meant that Namlook and OT were getting a bigger share of my listening time recently. If anybody knows of some webcasts of good EM though, I'd like to know how to access them. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:47 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > 'airplay'? you referring to a webcast? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:22 PM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > > > > I'll assume that 'non-TD' means no (ex-)members' solo stuff, > > as that would > > mostly complete my list. > > In order of preference: > > 1. Vangelis > > 2. JMJ > > 3. Yanni > > 4. Patrick O'Hearn > > 5. (tie between John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, > > John Williams) > > > > Been listenin' to lots of soundtrack stuff recently, > > especially James Bond, > > Star Wars, and Star Trek stuff. > > I'm especially hooked on the title theme from 'Total > Recall' by Jerry > > Goldsmith. Nice blend of electronic > > and orchestral. > > > > I'd also like to mention Pete Namlook and Ozric Tentacles, > > who've both been > > gettting lots of airplay recently > > thanks to my good friend Loren! > > > > James > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: electronic music on the web http://www.starstreams.com/playlists/archive.html http://www.hos.com/radio.html Pay on demand http://www.wiredplanet.com/hearts/ http://www.starstreams.com/freeoffr.html Free tapes! >>> james.owens@m... 11/13/01 04:29PM >>> Unfortunately, no. I chose my words poorly. I just meant that Namlook and OT were getting a bigger share of my listening time recently. If anybody knows of some webcasts of good EM though, I'd like to know how to access them. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:47 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > 'airplay'? you referring to a webcast? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:22 PM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > > > > I'll assume that 'non-TD' means no (ex-)members' solo stuff, > > as that would > > mostly complete my list. > > In order of preference: > > 1. Vangelis > > 2. JMJ > > 3. Yanni > > 4. Patrick O'Hearn > > 5. (tie between John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, > > John Williams) > > > > Been listenin' to lots of soundtrack stuff recently, > > especially James Bond, > > Star Wars, and Star Trek stuff. > > I'm especially hooked on the title theme from 'Total > Recall' by Jerry > > Goldsmith. Nice blend of electronic > > and orchestral. > > > > I'd also like to mention Pete Namlook and Ozric Tentacles, > > who've both been > > gettting lots of airplay recently > > thanks to my good friend Loren! > > > > James > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 30095 Re: electronic music on the web Joe Shoults Tue 11/13/2001 6 KB 30120 Re: electronic music on the web david Thu 11/15/2001 5 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] electronic music on the web also www.live365.com and www.broadcast.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@B...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] electronic music on the web > > > http://www.starstreams.com/playlists/archive.html > > http://www.hos.com/radio.html Pay on demand > > http://www.wiredplanet.com/hearts/ > > http://www.starstreams.com/freeoffr.html Free tapes! > > >>> james.owens@m... 11/13/01 04:29PM >>> > Unfortunately, no. I chose my words poorly. I just meant > that Namlook and > OT were getting a bigger share of my listening time recently. > If anybody > knows of some webcasts of good EM though, I'd like to know > how to access > them. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:47 PM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > > > > 'airplay'? you referring to a webcast? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:22 PM > > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > > Subject: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > > > > > > > I'll assume that 'non-TD' means no (ex-)members' solo stuff, > > > as that would > > > mostly complete my list. > > > In order of preference: > > > 1. Vangelis > > > 2. JMJ > > > 3. Yanni > > > 4. Patrick O'Hearn > > > 5. (tie between John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, > > > John Williams) > > > > > > Been listenin' to lots of soundtrack stuff recently, > > > especially James Bond, > > > Star Wars, and Star Trek stuff. > > > I'm especially hooked on the title theme from 'Total > > Recall' by Jerry > > > Goldsmith. Nice blend of electronic > > > and orchestral. > > > > > > I'd also like to mention Pete Namlook and Ozric Tentacles, > > > who've both been > > > gettting lots of airplay recently > > > thanks to my good friend Loren! > > > > > > James > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD -----Original Message----- From: Richard Stevens >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 >favourite acts other than TD? Within the genre or overall? Within (in no particular order): Larry Fast Tomita Lots of people on this and the Beyond EM list Beyond the genre: Beatles Klaatu Toy Matinee Steely Dan Genesis Yes Pink Floyd Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD You have fine taste Martin, as my own top 5 outside of TD are... All About Eve Depeche Mode Front 242 Jean Michel Jarre New Order - Chris PS - Interesting to note how many TD fans also like Depeche Mode. ----- Original Message ----- From: TDI MUSIC- Martin K. To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD > Just for the heck of it, as I have no news for you, yet: > > Top 7 (5 is too little) > The Chameleons > The Church > The Cult > The Mission > Bauhaus > Depeche Mode > All About Eve > > and... > The Psychedelic Furs > Comsat Angels > Peter Gabriel > Kate Bush > the Gathering > > NP: Saviour Machine: Legend III:I > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > www.tdimusic.com > > Have a nice day! > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Beatles Klaatu Toy Matinee *Toy Matinee??? BRILLIANT!!!!!! I love those guys.... even though there's really only one album (I don't count 'Third Matinee' which was a different lineup and a huge disappointment... Have you heard Kevin Gilbert's solo album called 'Thud'? HIGHLY recommended... Poly > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD massive attack giannis spathas [greek guitarist] stayros lantsias [greek piano player] Jose padillia [ as a compiler of cafe del mare vol 1 to 4 i think maybe 5] starsailor [ well probable not in a year but definately now cause their songs are pretty cool especially alcholic and coming down] no Vangelis for me although i am from greece [as a matter of fact i was at the live show of mythodea and i really disliked it!!!] kostas from greece From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Favourite Music other than TD As with most contributors my list changes by the week but at the moment I'd say AirSculpture Free System Projekt [...] Just add Dave Brewer & Bill Fox and you'll have the Okefenokee 2001 & 2002 group :-) NP: Vision Quest Suite From: 'Oliver Stumpf' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:43 am Subject: Favourite Music other than TD My TOP5, other than TD: Kraftwerk Klaus Schulze Depeche Mode (Violator and Ultra) Namlook&Move D: (Wired) Genesis and since yesterday: Wolfram DER Spyra (3CD-Box Elevator to Heaven) Oliver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:00 am Subject: Re: White Eagle I think the whole album is wonderfully build up. Mojave Plan itself starting mysterious, then a section with some interesting harmony structure which all of today's pop music can't come up with, then step by step it gets more quirky, reaching a peak with 'Midnight in Thule'. The flattened out 'Convention' soothes you from the shock you got with MiT, and then you get even more comforted with the great ending of White Eagle... I love this album, loved it from the first time I heard it back then. I'm even more excited about the version on Raetikon - especially the bit which comes after 'Mojave Plan'. Some program on the WDR (west german broadcast - and 'west' refers geographically to the very west - not to the country once called west germany) did a poll for the best album of 1982, and White Eagle ranked number two. armin --- In tadream@y..., rubyconist@y... wrote: > Few toughts about WE... > > Mojave Plan is wonderful composition (not to mention its 15+ long :-) > It's truly a fun listening experience, if I may say. > > Midnight In Tula is cool and groovy. It's the best tracks along side > with the Mojave Plan. (I know that you might have something to say > about this, but I don't care!) > > Convention At 24 isn't much. Reminds me of Volcano (from Tangents > Box), so I quess this is Edgars job. Dull. Few sounds reminds me of > Green Desert, tough. > > White Eagle is soothing and calm. Nice track. > > Regards, > TheInfection From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re: Sorcerer The movie Sorcerer is a very lame remake of the french 1953 classic 'Le salaire de la peur' (the wages of fear). To me this is the ultimate suspense movie. It may not be known in america very well since it is ... well, in french - and moreover there had been critiques saying it would be anti-american. a. --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, > >what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck > >with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but > >so? > > That's the basic idea. These four guys have to drive two trucks full of > nitroglycerine along a treacherous jungle 'road' (as I recall, the > nitroglycerine is needed to put out an oil fire). It's very tense. > > I thought it was a pretty good movie. I definitely liked it better than Thief. > > --Daniel > NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:14 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD its one of the absolute 80-s electronic classics with a track called 'So weit so gut' (so far so good) which every electronic-music interested german individual who listened to WDR radio in the 80s knows just sooooooo well.... If you spot this: BUY BUY BUY.... armin --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/12/2001 2:34:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > toby.braddick@u... writes: > > > > Also, Haroald Grosskopf did a great solo album, but I've never seen it > > on CD > > > > Toby > > > > > > *Seriously? I've never seen this... How is it? EM? or more rock? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD in no particular order 1.) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 2.) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 3.) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 4.) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and.... 5.) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. well, to be more serious: 1.) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (sigh) 2.) John Coltrane 3.) Aziza Mustafa Zadeh (http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/amz) 4.) Joe Satriani and last but not least 5.) Karlheinz Stockhausen just missing here is 'Der Plan' armin --- In tadream@y..., Richard Stevens wrote: > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:24 am Subject: Re: Top 5 I'm sorry to tell, but if you go and see more french movies and compare the release years of the movies, you'll realise that James Horner is quite a copycat. armin --- In tadream@y..., ohmss761@c... wrote: > In a message dated 11/12/2001 12:00:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > goozer@a... writes: > > > > Hmmmmm...only 5.... > > > > In alphabetical order: > > > > Jan Hammer > > Iona > > Jeff Johnson > > Santana > > The 77s > > > > ...with Mortal/Fold Zandura (same guys, different names), Ozric Tentacles, > > Resurrection Band (Rez), Phil Keaggy, James Horner, > > Global Communication, Patrick O'Hearn, Paul Haslinger, Charlie Peacock & > > Saviour Machine tying for #6. :) > > > > goozer > > > > Oops.....in my haste, I forgot James Horner in my list:( > > As much as people knock him, he's hada hell of a career, and has written some > incredible melodies. > To stay a bit on topic, Ian Underwood used to play synths for him:) > > Best, > Sean > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 2:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Hey Bill- We had talked a while back about your EMUSIC show, but I forget if you were going to develop a webcast for it or not; are you? Also, I got the new Dweller at the Threshold album, Orobouros, and I have to recommend it very highly for airplay consideration. I have been playing Paul Ellis' solo album 'Into the Liquid Unknown' at work, and people stop by my desk to ask what it is. I played D@T... at home, and my wife went on and on about how she likes it more than TD (which isn't really hard for her, but she used it as a point of reference). Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:06 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Stevens > > >I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, > what are your 5 > >favourite acts other than TD? > > Within the genre or overall? > Within (in no particular order): > Larry Fast > Tomita > Lots of people on this and the Beyond EM list > > Beyond the genre: > Beatles > Klaatu > Toy Matinee > Steely Dan > Genesis > Yes > Pink Floyd > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@f... > http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > ============================================================== > ================= > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. > Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in > Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for > airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join > This Group!] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD At 13:32 13.11.01 , you wrote: > > >'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' wrote: > >> Top 7 (5 is too little) >> The Chameleons >> The Church >> The Cult >> The Mission >> Bauhaus >> Depeche Mode >> All About Eve > >Martin! I never would have suspected that you were a Goth.... :-) > *Vell, vell, sometimes vee all hevv to unvale ourselfs... ;-)= Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD At 19:41 13.11.01 , you wrote: >--- In tadream@y..., 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' wrote: >> >> NP: Saviour Machine: Legend III:I > >I haven't picked this one up yet. How is it? I wish I could've seen them in Chicago this past summer, but I had already blown my >vacation budget in So. Florida. I'm also still on the hunt for the original Frontline release of Saviour Machine II. All good things....:) > >goozer > *It´s harder, more guitar-focused and direct than Legend II. That´s not a bad thing, methinks, as, although I love PT. II, they definitely overdid it a bit on the pompousness. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: fave 5 outside td robert fripp grateful dead bill laswell new order pink floyd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Martin wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:26:24 +0100 > From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' > >Just for the heck of it, as I have no news for you, yet: > >Top 7 (5 is too little) >The Chameleons (snip) Absolutely! A highly underrated band and unplayed/unknown on this side of the pond, it seems. 5 is too little, I agree, but I'll bite on this thread anyway (in no particular order): Pink Floyd REM King Crimson ELP Mark Knopfler/Dire Straits Mike Oldfield Dead Can Dance Redshift -Erik From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer have you seen the script for it on the net? Does it start out the same way with terrorist activity or something else? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > The movie Sorcerer is a very lame remake of the french 1953 > classic 'Le salaire de la peur' (the wages of fear). To me > this is the ultimate suspense movie. It may not be known in > america very well since it is ... well, in french - and moreover > there had been critiques saying it would be anti-american. > > a. > > > --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. > Like, > > >what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a > truck > > >with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through > jungle, but > > >so? > > > > That's the basic idea. These four guys have to drive two trucks full > of > > nitroglycerine along a treacherous jungle 'road' (as I recall, the > > nitroglycerine is needed to put out an oil fire). It's very tense. > > > > I thought it was a pretty good movie. I definitely liked it better > than Thief. > > > > --Daniel > > NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Favorite Top 5 other than TD Okay, I'll take a bite.... I know a few of you have been lurking and waiting in the dark in the bushes for me to come out to gang up on me 8-) Ah... well, there's Yanni! 8-) Then there's Enigma and Pink Floyd 8-) Actually, these days I'm primarily an EM freak 8-\, but I have been spinning the Pure Moods series quite a bit lately. Just five, huh... That's too damn hard! There's just so much good music out there! Honorable mentions go to: Air Sculpture Arcane Can Atilla's Ave [Japetus Dreams is a fantastic track that's been on repeat all night!] Code Indigo Robert Fox Syndromeda David Wright Ramp Red Shift Under The Dome Peru Navigator Kubusschnitt Cusco Peter Buffett Kitaro I gotta also highly recommend the following EM artist's releases too, both very melodic. Dom F. Scab's 'Binary Secrets Eric van der Heijden's 'Universal Time Zone' and 'Da Capo' Years ago I used to listen to a lot of Santana, Neil Young, Madonna and Rod Stewart Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30114 Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD chris towers Thu 11/15/2001 3 KB 30138 Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD NJellis@c... Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB 30117 Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD Heiko Heerssen Thu 11/15/2001 3 KB 30119 Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD chris towers Thu 11/15/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favorite Top 5 other than TD I have read quite a few of these posts regarding music other than TD and a name that hasnt been mentioned (unless ive missed it) is The Alan Parsons Project. Personally one of my ultimate favourites. Any of you music lovers out there heard much of his stuff ??? Chris --- Frank Arellano wrote: > Okay, I'll take a bite.... I know a few of you have > been lurking and waiting > in the dark in the bushes for me to come out to gang > up on me 8-) > > Ah... well, there's Yanni! 8-) > Then there's Enigma and Pink Floyd 8-) > > Actually, these days I'm primarily an EM freak > 8-\, but I have been > spinning the Pure Moods series quite a bit lately. > > Just five, huh... That's too damn hard! There's > just so much good music out > there! > > Honorable mentions go to: > > Air Sculpture > Arcane > Can Atilla's Ave [Japetus Dreams is a fantastic > track that's been on repeat > all night!] > Code Indigo > Robert Fox > Syndromeda > David Wright > Ramp > Red Shift > Under The Dome > Peru > Navigator > Kubusschnitt > Cusco > Peter Buffett > Kitaro > > I gotta also highly recommend the following EM > artist's releases too, both > very melodic. > > Dom F. Scab's 'Binary Secrets > Eric van der Heijden's 'Universal Time Zone' and 'Da > Capo' > > Years ago I used to listen to a lot of Santana, Neil > Young, Madonna and Rod > Stewart > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30138 Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD NJellis@c... Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Pink Floyd, Skinny Pupppy, Mike Oldfield, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Pohjola John Vertical wrote: > Wow. Another Pohjola fan. Me three! Funny that this came up now, I was just realizing I'm not as familiar with them as I like them, so I've been listening to them more (couldn't tell you which one[s], though). Very nice and jazzy in a Gong-ish vein. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favorite Top 5 other than TD > I have read quite a few of these posts regarding music > other than TD and a name that hasnt been mentioned > (unless ive missed it) is The Alan Parsons Project. > Personally one of my ultimate favourites. Any of you > music lovers out there heard much of his stuff ??? Yup! Everything up to 'Ammonia avenue' (1984) was more or less excellent, but after Eric Woolfson left APP it went a bit downhill and it sounded like poor man's Pink Floyd. My favourite albums were 'Pyramid' and 'Tales of mystery and imagination', and I still think that 'Eye in the sky' is simply a brilliant song. This is the kind of music which I listened to when I was young and before I even heard of TD (maybe I was 11or 12 years old) and at the same time I discovered bands like Genesis, ELP, Yes, King Crimson, Van Der Graaf Generator..and also some great German bands like Amon Düül, Can, Popol Vuh etc. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30119 Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD chris towers Thu 11/15/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Pohjola > > Wow. Another Pohjola fan. > >Me three! Funny that this came up now, I was just realizing I'm not >as familiar with them as I like them, so I've been listening to them >more (couldn't tell you which one[s], though). Very nice and jazzy >in a Gong-ish vein. >-- >I remain, >:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk Jazzy? I guess you then concentrate on the earlier (70s) stuff. The 80s brought aplenty of guitar usage and a more progressive attitude. I'm not sure yet what is he heading for nowadays... And you mean _Pekka_ Pohjola, right? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: chris towers Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favorite Top 5 other than TD Yeah i have to say the Edgar Allen Poe and Ammonia Avenue were (are) fantastic alums. I was also quite a big fan of 'Eve'. But i have to say my favourite was 'Gaudi', pure brilliance. Chris --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > I have read quite a few of these posts regarding > music > > other than TD and a name that hasnt been mentioned > > (unless ive missed it) is The Alan Parsons > Project. > > Personally one of my ultimate favourites. Any of > you > > music lovers out there heard much of his stuff ??? > > Yup! Everything up to 'Ammonia avenue' (1984) was > more or less excellent, but after Eric Woolfson left > APP it went a bit > downhill and it sounded like poor man's Pink Floyd. > My favourite albums were 'Pyramid' and 'Tales of > mystery and imagination', > and I still think that 'Eye in the sky' is simply a > brilliant song. This is the kind of music which I > listened to when I was > young and before I even heard of TD (maybe I was > 11or 12 years old) and at the same time I > discovered bands like Genesis, ELP, > Yes, King Crimson, Van Der Graaf Generator..and also > some great German bands like Amon Düül, Can, Popol > Vuh etc. > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'david' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 12:29 pm Subject: Re: electronic music on the web ---ALSO http://spaceradio.fm/space_flash/main.htm and http://www.spaceformusic.com/ sponsored by spacecraft ,great group who have played the gathering twice. In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote: > http://www.starstreams.com/playlists/archive.html > > http://www.hos.com/radio.html Pay on demand > > http://www.wiredplanet.com/hearts/ > > http://www.starstreams.com/freeoffr.html Free tapes! > > >>> james.owens@m... 11/13/01 04:29PM >>> > Unfortunately, no. I chose my words poorly. I just meant that Namlook and > OT were getting a bigger share of my listening time recently. If anybody > knows of some webcasts of good EM though, I'd like to know how to access > them. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:47 PM > > To: 'tadream@y...' > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > > > > 'airplay'? you referring to a webcast? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:22 PM > > > To: 'tadream@y...' > > > Subject: [tadream] Top 5 non TD > > > > > > > > > I'll assume that 'non-TD' means no (ex-)members' solo stuff, > > > as that would > > > mostly complete my list. > > > In order of preference: > > > 1. Vangelis > > > 2. JMJ > > > 3. Yanni > > > 4. Patrick O'Hearn > > > 5. (tie between John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, > > > John Williams) > > > > > > Been listenin' to lots of soundtrack stuff recently, > > > especially James Bond, > > > Star Wars, and Star Trek stuff. > > > I'm especially hooked on the title theme from 'Total > > Recall' by Jerry > > > Goldsmith. Nice blend of electronic > > > and orchestral. > > > > > > I'd also like to mention Pete Namlook and Ozric Tentacles, > > > who've both been > > > gettting lots of airplay recently > > > thanks to my good friend Loren! > > > > > > James > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marc Dodsworth' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: Tangents Versions Hi I've just ordered a copy of Tangents from CDNow as birthday present for my dad. I noticed that there were two versions (give the exchange rate with the pacific paeso know as the Australia dollar I went for the cheaper one). One version was listed as a re-release and was approximately $US83 and the other at $US50. Both seemed to have the same track list and I can't see anything in the description to explain the difference (and it does seem that there are some extra tracks on the fifth CD in both cases) I looked at Voices In The Net at couldn't see anything to explain the descrepancy. Thankx Marc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30123 Re: Tangents Versions Michael Jean Thu 11/15/2001 3 KB 30125 Re: Tangents Versions Victor Rek Thu 11/15/2001 4 KB 30157 Re: Tangents Versions webmaster@v... Sat 11/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Hulshoff, Bert' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD 1 Klaus Schulze 2 Hawkwind 3 Ozric Tentacles 4 Led Zeppelin 5 DJ Tiesto ;-) Fav single at this moment: PPK - Resurrection Greetings Bert ( and my own creations of course ;-P ) (http://phrozenlight.da.ru) From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Versions I believe they are the same.... The older one was probably cheaper because the store wants to move out old products that can't be returned to the distributor any longer... There was an 'error' on the original version (the track from Rubycon was repeated in two places). Unfortunately it was not fixed on the re-issue either. So I think you made the right choice going for the less expensive one. >>> marcd@i... 11/15/01 07:48AM >>> Hi I've just ordered a copy of Tangents from CDNow as birthday present for my dad. I noticed that there were two versions (give the exchange rate with the pacific paeso know as the Australia dollar I went for the cheaper one). One version was listed as a re-release and was approximately $US83 and the other at $US50. Both seemed to have the same track list and I can't see anything in the description to explain the difference (and it does seem that there are some extra tracks on the fifth CD in both cases) I looked at Voices In The Net at couldn't see anything to explain the descrepancy. Thankx Marc ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: Favorites besides TD Here's my list of favorites (EM) besides TD: AirSculpture Patrick O'Hearn Arcane Andy Pickford Ron Boots Steve Roach Vidna Obmana Vir Unis - His latest release with James Johnson entitled 'Perimeter' is great! Although EM is usually what I listen to, I will on occasion play: Genesis/Phil Collins Pink Floyd Lenny Kravitz Seal Sarah McLachlan Carlo From: Victor Rek Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangents Versions Can you provide the catalog number of the re-issue? Also, was this box set just released in USA or in Europe too? It would be nice if someone could list all the releases of Tangents. Thanks, Vic -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jean [SMTP:mjean@B...] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:37 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Versions I believe they are the same.... The older one was probably cheaper because the store wants to move out old products that can't be returned to the distributor any longer... There was an 'error' on the original version (the track from Rubycon was repeated in two places). Unfortunately it was not fixed on the re-issue either. So I think you made the right choice going for the less expensive one. >>> marcd@i... 11/15/01 07:48AM >>> Hi I've just ordered a copy of Tangents from CDNow as birthday present for my dad. I noticed that there were two versions (give the exchange rate with the pacific paeso know as the Australia dollar I went for the cheaper one). One version was listed as a re-release and was approximately $US83 and the other at $US50. Both seemed to have the same track list and I can't see anything in the description to explain the difference (and it does seem that there are some extra tracks on the fifth CD in both cases) I looked at Voices In The Net at couldn't see anything to explain the descrepancy. Thankx Marc ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: OT: APP I like(d) Tales of Mystery and Imagination (vinyl--before the narration was added) Not quite sure what to make of the narration. I Robot The Turn of a Friendly Card --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:50 pm Subject: Interesting item http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1484349108 Green Desert & Force Majeure on a two for one CD?!? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30164 Re: Interesting item gmroger@p... Sun 11/18/2001 3 KB From: tom807@a... Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: Re:iBox Hi. I know the last three CDs (disc 4, 5 &6) in the iBox have unreleased material. What about the first two CD's? Does anyone know if these 'remixed' versions have appeared elsewhere? Or are these versions exclusive to the iBox? Thanks. Tom MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30129 Re: iBox Michael Jean Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB 30140 Re: iBox John Vertical Fri 11/16/2001 2 KB 30141 Hello again/bronzed cds: case closed Gustavo Jobim Fri 11/16/2001 3 KB 30156 iBox webmaster@v... Sat 11/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: [tadream] Re:iBox I think they are the same versions that appeared on TANGENTS, but I am not 100% sure.... >>> tom807@a... 11/15/01 12:00PM >>> Hi. I know the last three CDs (disc 4, 5 &6) in the iBox have unreleased material. What about the first two CD's? Does anyone know if these 'remixed' versions have appeared elsewhere? Or are these versions exclusive to the iBox? Thanks. Tom MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 7:36 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Hi all, Alright, as everyone and his dog is getting involved in this thread here's my twopennoth: Jean-Michel Jarre (no suprises yet) Portishead John Foxx (I was into him and Gary Numan long before I got into TD) This Mortal Coil Depeche Mode (well until I bought 'Exciter' the other day, very inappropriate title, fortunately their live album '101' has saved them in my books) Paul From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD Hi..... Favourite music other than TD: Similar Genre: 1. Synco 2. Spyra 3. Waveshape 4. Synesthesia 5. Neuronium Dissimilar from above: 1. Bob Dylan 2. Van Morrison 3. John Prine 4. Wallflowers 5. Arlo Guthrie Amongst lots of others to name but ten. Phil From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: rare Maxi CD for trade Hi all, I have a very rare Maxi CD for trade. Christopher Franke composed and write the Lyrics for SKINNY DIPPERS - Just another day in L.A. (taken from Pacific Blue) Released only in Germany - Bellaphon/Viceroy for more information: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Franke_Tracklist.htm#Skinny If you interested in, please contact me offlist. thank you. heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) handy4you.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30135 Re: rare Maxi CD for trade moxica@m... Thu 11/15/2001 2 KB From: kevine@c... Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [OT] CONTACT ME OFF-LIST Hi Gabe, Sorry about the procrastination. I have uploaded a copy of Zanzi to www.myplay.com. Log in as ksearley@h... password:tadream It is encoded at 256Kbps. I will try to get the other one uploaded early next week. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 Up and Running Service Team (905) 413-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: kevine@c... Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [OT] CONTACT ME OFF-LIST That would be an oops. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 Up and Running Service Team (905) 413-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] rare Maxi CD for trade I think there was a good reason this one is rare... ----Original Message----- >From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... >Christopher Franke composed and write the Lyrics for >SKINNY DIPPERS - Just another day in L.A. (taken from Pacific Blue) From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Favourite Music other than TD -----Original Message----- From: Victor Rek >As with most contributors my list changes by the week but at the moment I'd >say > >AirSculpture >Free System Projekt >[...] Just add Dave Brewer & Bill Fox and you'll have the Okefenokee 2001 & 2002 group :-) [Burying face in shoulder] Aw, shucks... Bill From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite Music other than TD -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults >Hey Bill- > >We had talked a while back about your EMUSIC show, but I forget if you were >going to develop a webcast for it or not; are you? Considering the legislation that makes it cost prohibitive for a regular radio station to webcast (royalties out the wazoo!) and considering the other priorities at WDIY, I wouldn't hold my breath! Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From: NJellis@c... Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: Favorite Top 5 other than TD I used to listen to a lot of APP but felt that things began to go downhill after Eye in the Sky. Ammonia Avenue had some good tracks but I've not been too impressed with what has come since. I think the music became too safe for my liking Neil --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > I have read quite a few of these posts regarding music > other than TD and a name that hasnt been mentioned > (unless ive missed it) is The Alan Parsons Project. > Personally one of my ultimate favourites. Any of you > music lovers out there heard much of his stuff ??? > > Chris From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: EM on the web and 'beyond the genre' My source for discovering new music in the last years or so has been (until recently) Napster. When someone on one of my music lists (I'm on 4) has mentioned something that sounded interesting, I went to Napster and looked up some of their stuff and downloaded it. If I liked it, then I went out and bought the discs. It's a shame Napster is no more. I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Beyond the Genre: For me, I never really got into electronic music as such, because I always felt the term was too broad, like 'acoustic' music, which could range from bluegrass to orchestral. TD to me has always represented an offshoot of the psychedelic era, which is why none of the other bands on my list have been e-music. Electronic, to me, is a means to an end, not the end itself. Scott NP: Grateful Dead, Atlanta 4/1/94 From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:iBox And judging by some RealPlayer samples, the Pink/Blue Years stuff is copied from Dream Roots. John Vertical >I think they are the same versions that appeared on TANGENTS, but I am not >100% sure.... > > >>> tom807@a... 11/15/01 12:00PM >>> >Hi. >I know the last three CDs (disc 4, 5 &6) in the iBox have unreleased >material. >What about the first two CD's? Does anyone know if these 'remixed' versions >have appeared elsewhere? Or are these versions exclusive to the iBox? >Thanks. >Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30141 Hello again/bronzed cds: case closed Gustavo Jobim Fri 11/16/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:42 pm Subject: Hello again/bronzed cds: case closed Hello again! It seems it's less complicated for me to stay on the list than I thought when I began college, so here I am again. Do you remember the bronzed cds case? Well, I've sent my bronzed copy (they ask for it, of course) on the 16th of Oct., and about three weeks later I got a good copy of my White Eagle. Nice, isn't it? So if someone still has bronzed cds, they can be replaced (you need to send only the CD itself, without artwork and case). The contact email is PatBurnsHelpline@c..., and the address is PDO Ltd Philips Road Blackburn Lancs England BB1 5RZ I've contacted G.Taylor by email, and the replacement CD was sent with a PDO note saying 'with compliments', signed by pen by G.Taylor himself. All very nice and easy indeed... He said the replacement could take 6 weeks or more, but I got it in 3-4 weeks. So that's it for now, GJ (not listening to much TD lately, actually... (except for White Eagle). I've been lately more into Sibelius, Glass, Reich, Liquid Tension Experiment...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] bronzed cds >Hello again! >It seems it's less complicated for me to stay on the list than I thought >when I began college, so here I am again. > >Do you remember the bronzed cds case? Huh? I don't have the slightest idea... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:56 pm Subject: Fonts So, where could I obtain some of those nice fonts used in some TD's covers? Eg. Phaedra, Goblin's Club, Force Majeure, Alpha Centauri (though this one is probably hand-drawn)... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30144 bronzed cds and Re: [tadream] Fonts Gustavo Jobim Fri 11/16/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: bronzed cds and Re: [tadream] Fonts There were some CDs badly pressed by PDO, and they got rusted with time, getting a bronze-ish color. You can read details about this at http://www.pavilionrecords.com/html/bronzed_cds/bronzed_cds.html . You may also want to check the tadream messages archive about this, on the list page. Now about the fonts, I suppose the Force Majeure title was also hand-written, but if there's any fonts imitating that style, I also would like to know. I'm pretty sure there is a font with the Phaedra style somewhere, but I never bothered looking for it... >So, where could I obtain some of those nice fonts used in some TD's covers? >Eg. Phaedra, Goblin's Club, Force Majeure, Alpha Centauri (though this one >is probably hand-drawn)... >John Vertical Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Fonts WAY BACK in 1973, fonts didn't exist as the currently do. You needed special typesetting machines, etc. The concept was the same, but the process was quite different. Now about the fonts, I suppose the Force Majeure title was also hand-written, but if there's any fonts imitating that style, I also would like to know. I'm pretty sure there is a font with the Phaedra style somewhere, but I never bothered looking for it... >So, where could I obtain some of those nice fonts used in some TD's covers? >Eg. Phaedra, Goblin's Club, Force Majeure, Alpha Centauri (though this one >is probably hand-drawn)... >John Vertical Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pohjola John Vertical said: > > > Wow. Another Pohjola fan. > >Me three! Funny that this came up now, I was just realizing I'm not > >as familiar with them as I like them, so I've been listening to them > >more (couldn't tell you which one[s], though). Very nice and jazzy > >in a Gong-ish vein. > Jazzy? I guess you then concentrate on the earlier (70s) stuff. The 80s > brought aplenty of guitar usage and a more progressive attitude. I'm not > sure yet what is he heading for nowadays... > And you mean _Pekka_ Pohjola, right? Yeah, I would definitely classify him as jazzy (note: not jazz, but jazz-_y_). The only ones I'm familiar with, though, are: Mathematician's Air Display Katkavaaran Lohikaarme (sorry, leaving the umlauts off) Flight of the Angel ..and another two-records-on-one-CD that I'm not finding right now. Maybe I find him so jazzy because I come from listening to mostly straightforward rock'n'roll, and because of coming from the Tangerine Dream and Mike Oldfield -- I.E., very European -- backgrounds. Mike was my first exposure to Pekka (Mathematician's Air Display), and that and Gong's Downwind sounded very different to my naive ears. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30184 Re: Pohjola mikael.jussila@p... Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Top 10 of the year 2001 Hi all, Please send me your TOP 10 list (only electronic Music CD Releases 2001) till 08.12.2001 to following email adress: heiko@o... All emails in this time will be accept to the Top 10 list and all items will be listed. Rules: please listed your list from No. 10 to No. 1 each item received following points: No. 1 = 10 points No. 2 = 9 points No. 3 = 8 points .... No. 10 = 1 point After each day, I will modifized this page on my homepage. Then you can see, what is the status of the Top 10. Please!!! Everybody one Top 10 email. Here comes the link: www.opticaldream.de/dream/TOP10.htm Regards and write your list heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:22 pm Subject: Turn of the Tides Hey, you know what? This album's actually pretty good! Den of utter shit? I think not! Scott From: tom807@a... Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Turn of the Tides In a message dated 11/16/01 4:22:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, splumer@w... writes: > Hey, you know what? This album's actually pretty good! Den of utter shit? I > think not! > > Scott > There are NO Tangerine Dream albums that are utter shit. Some are better than others, that's all. Even Cyclone (yes, Cyclone) has its moments. This, of course, is only my opinion. But I think very highly of it :-) Thanks. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30150 Re: Turn of the Tides rubyconist@y... Sat 11/17/2001 2 KB 30179 Re: Turn of the Tides Armin Theissen Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:08 am Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides --- In tadream@y..., tom807@a... wrote: > There are NO Tangerine Dream albums that are utter shit. Some are better than > others, that's all. Even Cyclone (yes, Cyclone) has its moments. This, of > course, is only my opinion. But I think very highly of it :-) > Thanks. > Tom I think that Cyclone is a masterpiece. First the vocals were more and less hideous, but now I think otherwise. It's one of the best TD albums from the 70s'. (Please, do not execute me because of this statement! :-) Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30179 Re: Turn of the Tides Armin Theissen Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Turn of the Tides It's my favourite album from the early Seattle years, ranking higher even than 200 Volt. I don't really like the last two tracks, but up to and including 'Jungle Journey' I think this is a great album. It has a scope and narrative quality to it that is sadly lacking from most of their other output during that time. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: 'Tadream' Sent: 16 November 2001 21:22 Subject: [tadream] Turn of the Tides > Hey, you know what? This album's actually pretty good! Den of utter shit? I > think not! > > Scott > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Re: Cyclone I've always thought 'Cyclone' copped more flak than it deserved. The voice synthesized modulation at the beginning of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' is fascinating, At its best, Steve Jolliffe's voice isn't as bad as a lot of people make out and his woodwind arabesque playing is brilliant in 'BCS'. I confess the lyrics don't seem to make much sense to me, especially 'Rising Runner' -- easily the weakest track IMO -- and Jolliffe's vocal antics there don't create a very favourable impression either. The disc is worth getting for 'Madrigal Meridian' which is stunning anyway, regardless of what one thinks of the rest. However, the poor press the album received ensured that it was an experiment never to be repeated. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Turn of the Tides > --- In tadream@y..., tom807@a... wrote: > > > There are NO Tangerine Dream albums that are utter shit. Some are > better than > > others, that's all. Even Cyclone (yes, Cyclone) has its moments. > This, of > > course, is only my opinion. But I think very highly of it :-) > > Thanks. > > Tom > > I think that Cyclone is a masterpiece. First the vocals were more and > less hideous, but now I think otherwise. It's one of the best TD > albums from the 70s'. (Please, do not execute me because of this > statement! :-) > > Regards, > TheInfection > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30158 Cyclone and Rising Runner (the meaning!) Re: [tad Gustavo Jobim Sat 11/17/2001 4 KB 30175 Re: Cyclone rubyconist@y... Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 11:00 am Subject: 2 Posters on auction Hi all, I have two Posters on ebay : Follow the link and make your bid: Christopher Franke - London Concert Poster: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1485899008 Tangerine Dream - Tournado Tour Poster: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1485900219 and dont forget to send me your TOP 10 List of your electronic Music CD Releases of the year 2001 send your list to: heiko@o... (Thank you for your vote) Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mengels@w... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 11:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cyclone IMO a wonderful album. Just because the press and Edgar says it not good then I don't have to find it bad. In fact I prefer this anytime above the last albums they made. Marcel >I've always thought 'Cyclone' copped more flak than it deserved. The voice >synthesized modulation at the beginning of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' is >fascinating, At its best, Steve Jolliffe's voice isn't as bad as a lot of >people make out and his woodwind arabesque playing is brilliant in 'BCS'. I >confess the lyrics don't seem to make much sense to me, especially 'Rising >Runner' -- easily the weakest track IMO -- and Jolliffe's vocal antics there >don't create a very favourable impression either. The disc is worth getting >for 'Madrigal Meridian' which is stunning anyway, regardless of what one >thinks of the rest. However, the poor press the album received ensured that >it was an experiment never to be repeated. >>> Jetzt NEU! .info und .biz Domains sind hier! Registrieren Sie Ihren eigenen Namen im Internet und reservieren Sie hier: Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at .info, .biz, .de com, net, org: Registrierung KOSTENLOS! --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail From: webmaster@v... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: Update of 'Voices In The Net' Hi to all, some of you might be interested that, after a long delay, Voices In The Net has just been updated: http://www.voices-in-the-net.de Enjoy T-Dreaming, Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30227 Re: Update of 'Voices In The Net' chris towers Fri 11/23/2001 2 KB From: webmaster@v... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:06 pm Subject: Re:iBox --- In tadream@y..., tom807@a... wrote: > Hi. > I know the last three CDs (disc 4, 5 &6) in the iBox have unreleased > material. > What about the first two CD's? Does anyone know if these 'remixed' versions > have appeared elsewhere? Or are these versions exclusive to the iBox? > Thanks. > Tom Hi Tom, in fact, the first three CDs contain only remixed material that had previously been released on 'Tangents' (1995) and 'The Dream Roots Collection' (1996); three more (unremixed) tracks have been taken from the original albums 'Le Parc' (1985) and 'Underwater Sunlight' (1986). The remaining three discs contain some new material, but many of the (maybe alleged) live tracks are hardly distinguishable from the studio versions. For more details and similar questions I'd like to refer to my site 'Voices In The Net' (http://www.voices-in-the-net.de) or to Paul Fellow's site 'Dream Gallery' (http://perso.club- internet.fr/pfellows/webpages). Both sites are intended to answer these kind of questions -- and some more... ;-) Enjoy T-Dreaming, Michael From: webmaster@v... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:21 pm Subject: Re: Tangents Versions --- In tadream@y..., 'Marc Dodsworth' wrote: Hi Marc, > I've just ordered a copy of Tangents from CDNow as birthday present for my > dad. Nice present...! > I noticed that there were two versions (give the exchange rate with the > pacific paeso know as the Australia dollar I went for the cheaper one). > > One version was listed as a re-release and was approximately $US83 and the > other at $US50. Both seemed to have the same track list and I can't see > anything in the description to explain the difference (and it does seem that > there are some extra tracks on the fifth CD in both cases) > > I looked at Voices In The Net at couldn't see anything to explain the > descrepancy. Well, currently I have in fact no information about any differncies between the first release and the re-release (I don't own the latter one). As you might have read in 'Voices', the first version of 'Tangents' had a duplicate track: 'Rubycon (The Decision)' and 'Rubycon (Crossing Part)' are identical because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the CDs. After he discovered the error, Edgar announced that Virgin would probably correct this error and include the missing track in a re-release. But as far as I know this has never happened. If anyone has other information, I would be happy to include these in 'Voices In The Net'... Best regards, Michael http://www.voices-in-the-net.de From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Cyclone and Rising Runner (the meaning!) Re: [tadream] Re: Cyclone Hello, I've always liked Cyclone. At first, the vocals sounded strange and/or silly, but I got used to them. I think it's a fine album, and Madrigal Meridian sound to me as a stepping stone for Force Majeure (the track); and it's a great track by itself. Also, Rising Runner seems to be the first of their 'short tracks', as in more upbeat or similar tracks, a tendency that seemed to continue in Majeure (Cloudburst), and more in the early '80s albums: Midnight in Tula, Cinnamon Road... I see Cyclone as an important part of TD's development, as were all the studio albums from that period since Phaedra. Each studio album after Phaedra, at least until Tangram was unique and had a different sound, a new sound. Talking about Cyclone, I've discovered what Rising Runner is about! A colleague from the Oldfield list (Dave MacDonald) talked about it, here's what he said, quoted: 'evening all, Cyclone by TanDream? Great album, best one they did i reckon, at the time MM, Sounds , and even NME were calling TD an 'industrial/electronic music' type band, back in the mid 70's! This was long before 'industrial' became as famous? as it is/was now... I didn't think 'rising runner' too strange at all, but that may be because of my trade 'job moulding' at the time, for most ppl on the list, apart from the middle aged ones that is, moulders worked in foundries, producing castings. A lot of casts had to be done in 2 halves, which meant the molten metal had to travel along 'runners' to reach the shape of the casting desired, and it also had to have 'risers' which typically cooled last so as to add molten metal into the casting as it gradually cooled, so that the 'riser' was actually a second feeder, now if the 'runner' was not properly leading to the 'riser' then the 'riser' would be missed, and the casting would be useless, now my theory is that at least one member of TD used to or did, work in a foundry around the time they released Cyclone, simply because quite a lot of sounds on that album are easily picked out once one has , shall we say, 'fallen victim' to inhaling certain substances in the workplace :)) . and i can confirm that the industrial sounds picked up whilst under this mysterious influence are totally different from a foundry to a smelter to a dyehouse....' >I've always thought 'Cyclone' copped more flak than it deserved. The voice >synthesized modulation at the beginning of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' is >fascinating, At its best, Steve Jolliffe's voice isn't as bad as a lot of >people make out and his woodwind arabesque playing is brilliant in 'BCS'. I >confess the lyrics don't seem to make much sense to me, especially 'Rising >Runner' -- easily the weakest track IMO -- (...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the tides. TOTT Shit aye,I think not.Galley slaves horizon,Jungle journey,Firetongues,Twilight brigade and Linda&Edgars short but sweet Re-working of Mussorgskys Pictures at an exibition,one of the Dreams best of the 90,s,just love the title track as well.Shite,I think not. Best regards 24 From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:34 am Subject: TOTT I don't think anyone was calling the album 'shit'...It was a reference to an old anagram posted on the list... If you rearrange the letters of the title, one of the anagrams is DEN OF UTTER SHIT... The meaning may have missed some people... I like the album, especially the cover.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30162 Re: TOTT Gustavo Jobim Sun 11/18/2001 2 KB 30166 Re: TOTT sean@t... Sun 11/18/2001 2 KB 30168 anagrams and compilation Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT Gustavo Jobim Sun 11/18/2001 3 KB 30170 Re: TOTT tom807@a... Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB 30171 Zeit Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 30187 Re: TOTT Joe Shoults Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 10:57 am Subject: first votes !!!! Hi, first votes are arrived!!! Top 10 vote please, send your Top 10 to: heiko@o... or jump to: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/TOP10.htm last modified: 18-Nov-2001 Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TOTT HAH! That's new to me! Who found that out?! amazing... >I don't think anyone was calling the album 'shit'...It was a reference to an old anagram posted on the list... If you rearrange the letters of the title, one of the anagrams is DEN OF UTTER SHIT... The meaning may have missed some people... I like the album, especially the cover... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30166 Re: TOTT sean@t... Sun 11/18/2001 2 KB 30168 anagrams and compilation Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT Gustavo Jobim Sun 11/18/2001 3 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Rare Maxi CD by Chris Franke > Hi all, > > I have a very rare Maxi CD for trade. > > Christopher Franke composed and write the Lyrics for > SKINNY DIPPERS - Just another day in L.A. (taken from Pacific Blue) > Released only in Germany - Bellaphon/Viceroy > for more information: > www.opticaldream.de/dream/Franke_Tracklist.htm#Skinny > > If you interested in, please contact me offlist. thank you. > > heiko > www.opticaldream.de Hi Heiko. I don't know what kind of reponse you've had so far, but unfortunately this is a track from perhaps the poorest work (Pacific Blue) of any TD incarnation..! But good luck! Regards, Roger -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Interesting item Back from a weekend's work in Zakopane, and catching up on the mail... > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:50:57 -0500 > From: 'Michael Jean' > Subject: Interesting item > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1484349108 > > Green Desert & Force Majeure on a two for one CD?!? > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean This is true although I've yet to verify if this is a bootleg or some kind of 'official' release. A week ago last Saturday I visited a local RTV guilda (an electronics market) in Krakow, Poland where, quite openly, you can buy CDR copies of the latest official albums, copies of the latest Microsoft programs (XP, and in English!), pirate satellite cards, and so on. One stall included TD releases in the '2 on 1' style, and the above was one of them. A strange combination I thought. Despite the professional looking packaging, and this example of two very different albums put together suggests to me these are not official... Roger Hartopp -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides Rather like a good wine, along with 'Cyclone', this is one album that is mellowing well with age and, in time, could come close to being the best work by Edgar and Jerome after 'Mars Polaris'. It's a good album, and is even growing on me a lot more... Roger Hartopp -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: sean@t... Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: Re: TOTT --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > HAH! That's new to me! Who found that out?! amazing... I found that out, but I was using a website that has an anagram generator. I almost fell out of my chair when that combination of words came up. But is TOTT *utter* shit? Well, I've been working on making myself an 8 disk 'best of TD' cdr compilation, and I included one song from the album at least (Firetongues). That's more than I can say for Deadly Care, Zoning, Zeit, Destination Berlin or Great Wall of China. -Sean Montgomery Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30168 anagrams and compilation Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT Gustavo Jobim Sun 11/18/2001 3 KB From: BRUCE@F... Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD --- In tadream@y..., Richard Stevens wrote: > I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what are your 5 > favourite acts other than TD? > > R I'm a little late joing this one but here goes: In no particular order: 1) Black Sabbath 2)Iron Maiden 3) Queensryche 4) Jethro Tull 5) Gentle Giant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30169 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Gustavo Jobim Sun 11/18/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:04 pm Subject: anagrams and compilation Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT Hmm! Do you still have that address, or do you know of any software anagram generator? I like this sort of thing... About the compilation, I still have that 'TD for newbies' CDR I've made some months ago, if you want I can send a detailed tracklist, maybe it will help... I've also made a compilation which intended to include all the styles TD have played in 1 CD. It's pretty cool... If you want details, just ask! GJ >I found that out, but I was using a website that has an anagram >generator. I almost fell out of my chair when that combination of >words came up. > >But is TOTT *utter* shit? Well, I've been working on making myself an >8 disk 'best of TD' cdr compilation, and I included one song from the >album at least (Firetongues). That's more than I can say for Deadly >Care, Zoning, Zeit, Destination Berlin or Great Wall of China. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD That must've happened while I was away, and since I like this sort of thing, here are my picks (of course, can't pick favourites (there are more than 5), so I'll try to make a good selection, maybe the ones who most influenced me) In no particular order: Jean-Michel Jarre Mike Oldfield Philip Glass Vangelis Klaus Schulze >> I just want to try and Gauge what TD fans tastes are like, what >are your 5 >> favourite acts other than TD? >I'm a little late joing this one but here goes(...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: tom807@a... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT In a message dated 11/18/01 10:50:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, sean@t... writes: > --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > > HAH! That's new to me! Who found that out?! amazing... > > > I found that out, but I was using a website that has an anagram > generator. I almost fell out of my chair when that combination of > words came up. > > But is TOTT *utter* shit? Well, I've been working on making myself an > 8 disk 'best of TD' cdr compilation, and I included one song from the > album at least (Firetongues). That's more than I can say for Deadly > Care, Zoning, Zeit, Destination Berlin or Great Wall of China. > > -Sean Montgomery > Zeit is a great album. I bought it in the 70s, and it was my first exposure to 'ambient' music. Ambient? Sure. And it predates Eno's attempt at the genre, doesn't it (even tho' he coined the term)? OK, I'll admit it doesn't fit very well on compilation tapes, but that's not the point. Tom Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30171 Zeit Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:37 am Subject: Zeit Re: [tadream] Re: TOTT I agree, but although I like Zeit very much - it's one of the best examples of space/ambient music I know - I rarely play it. It's a hard album to listen to, I mean, to sit and listen to all of it. The first time I tried I fell asleep... Whenever I do play it, it's while I'm doing something, like working on the computer or studying. >Zeit is a great album. I bought it in the 70s, and it was my first exposure >to 'ambient' music. Ambient? Sure. And it predates Eno's attempt at the >genre, doesn't it (even tho' he coined the term)? >OK, I'll admit it doesn't fit very well on compilation tapes, but that's not >the point. >Tom Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 5:21 am Subject: Re: anagrams >Hmm! Do you still have that address, or do you know of any software anagram >generator? I like this sort of thing... > I know this address: ag.arrak.fi/index_en.html John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 7:50 am Subject: east of the river ganges Has anyone gotten/found this disc, yet? v/a east of the river ganges Would be curious in knowing what TD content is on it. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: webmaster@j... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg now online forwarded by webmaster@j...: ************************************************************** estieg@g... www.grenzwellen.com www.eckistieg.de Hallo! Pünktlich zum Wochenende eine komplett überarbeitete Seite: Enthüllend! So war das damals bei Tangerine Dream! Ex-Mitglied Johannes Schmoelling über Bilder, Töne und die Kunst, beides zu verknüpfen! http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/interview_schmoelling.htm Entlarvend! Warum ist es für den gemeinen Gothic besser, früh ins Gas zu beissen? Lest es und gebt Eure Kommentare ab zum neuen Essay: http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/essay.htm Entmutigend ... sind wie immer die klaren Worte in den CD-Kritiken für die Künstler, die es trifft: Lest alles über die neue Elaborate von Faith & The Muse, Deine Lakaien, Delta, Sara Noxx, Foetus, Untoten, Sombre View, Technoir, Aktivate Skin und unserem Album des Monats. Irma Victoria! http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/cdkritik.htm Viel Spaß & Gruß Ecki Stieg ************************************************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30178 Re: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg Armin Theissen Mon 11/19/2001 4 KB 30196 Re: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg Owens, James Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB 30208 Re: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg Owens, James Wed 11/21/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 11:22 am Subject: Re: Cyclone --- In tadream@y..., 'John Marchington' wrote: > I've always thought 'Cyclone' copped more flak than it deserved. The voice > synthesized modulation at the beginning of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' is > fascinating, At its best, Steve Jolliffe's voice isn't as bad as a lot of > people make out and his woodwind arabesque playing is brilliant in 'BCS'. I > confess the lyrics don't seem to make much sense to me, especially 'Rising > Runner' -- easily the weakest track IMO -- and Jolliffe's vocal antics there > don't create a very favourable impression either. I think that the lyrics of Bent Cold Sidewalk tells us how nature can come through any obstacle, even bent cold sidewalk, but Rising Runner is a mystery to me. > The disc is worth getting > for 'Madrigal Meridian' which is stunning anyway, regardless of what one > thinks of the rest. However, the poor press the album received ensured that > it was an experiment never to be repeated. Regards, TheInfection From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 12:51 pm Subject: Lily on the Beach Just bought this the other day. The largest problem is that pieces are at times too short... There would have been room to lenghten one or two a bit. I think at the moment that the title track and Long Island Sunset are the best. Desert Drive (why do they have to have so many tracks beginning with 'desert'?) is interesting with its vigorous & changing tempo, to which the calm Mount Shasta -is there one in real world, and where?- is a nice contrast. Crystal Curfew and Gecko don't really impress me. The others are just plain good. Also, the guitar seems a bit more spontaneously used than in Melrose, where it was either solo or no guitar. The poem / story is just like Tangerine Dream is in general; surreal. Who Lily? What house? Why not the west window? - I thought before that the 'lily' was referring to a flower, not a girl. Just some random thoughts. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30177 Re: Lily on the Beach gustavojobim@n... Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB 30193 Re: Lily on the Beach Jens Kilian Tue 11/20/2001 3 KB From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: Lily on the Beach AH, I've had LOTB for some time now - nearly two years. I agree some tracks could be longer, and there are a few unnecessary tracks, such as Gecko you've mentioned, and also Blue Mango Cafe, and a few others... I happen to like Crystal Curfew a lot. Crystal Curfew, Desert Drive, Too Hot For My Chinchilla, Long Island Sunset and Valley of the Kings are my favourites, as I remember. Paradise Cove and 29 Palms are also good, although 29 Palms is not as great as Tiergarten, for a piano track. Valley of the Kings is my favourite, I just love this track. I think LOTB is a good and solid album, with just a few flaws. I think it's quite similar to Le Parc, in style and structure and kind of music, maybe because I got both at the same day, if memory serves me right. > Just bought this the other day. The largest problem is that pieces are at > times too short... There would have been room to lenghten one or two a bit. > > I think at the moment that the title track and Long Island Sunset are the > best. Desert Drive (why do they have to have so many tracks beginning with > 'desert'?) is interesting with its vigorous & changing tempo, to which the > calm Mount Shasta -is there one in real world, and where?- is a nice > contrast. Crystal Curfew and Gecko don't really impress me. The others are > just plain good. > > Also, the guitar seems a bit more spontaneously used than in Melrose, where > it was either solo or no guitar. > > The poem / story is just like Tangerine Dream is in general; surreal. Who > Lily? What house? Why not the west window? - I thought before that the > 'lily' was referring to a flower, not a girl. > > Just some random thoughts. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg now online Hi, I've just read this interview (link also on my webpage http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td) and indeed it is very interesting. Unfortunately not translated into english yet. Maybe somebody will do? I don't have the time right now, and cannot promise to do it this week armin --- In tadream@y..., webmaster@j... wrote: > forwarded by webmaster@j...: > > > ************************************************************** > estieg@g... > www.grenzwellen.com > www.eckistieg.de > > Hallo! > > Pünktlich zum Wochenende eine komplett überarbeitete Seite: > > Enthüllend! > > So war das damals bei Tangerine Dream! > > Ex-Mitglied Johannes Schmoelling über Bilder, Töne und die > Kunst, beides zu verknüpfen! > > > http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/interview_schmoelling.htm > > Entlarvend! > > Warum ist es für den gemeinen Gothic besser, früh ins Gas zu > beissen? Lest es und gebt Eure Kommentare ab zum neuen Essay: > > http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/essay.htm > > Entmutigend > > ... sind wie immer die klaren Worte in den CD-Kritiken für die > Künstler, die es trifft: > > Lest alles über die neue Elaborate von Faith & The Muse, Deine > Lakaien, Delta, Sara Noxx, Foetus, Untoten, Sombre View, > Technoir, Aktivate Skin und unserem Album des Monats. Irma > Victoria! > > http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/cdkritik.htm > > Viel Spaß & Gruß > Ecki Stieg > ************************************************************** From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides maybe this speaks against me, but Cyclone was the first TD album I ever heard, and it got me very very interested! armin --- In tadream@y..., rubyconist@y... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., tom807@a... wrote: > > > There are NO Tangerine Dream albums that are utter shit. Some are > better than > > others, that's all. Even Cyclone (yes, Cyclone) has its moments. > This, of > > course, is only my opinion. But I think very highly of it :-) > > Thanks. > > Tom > > I think that Cyclone is a masterpiece. First the vocals were more and > less hideous, but now I think otherwise. It's one of the best TD > albums from the 70s'. (Please, do not execute me because of this > statement! :-) > > Regards, > TheInfection From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: Inferno Hello everyone, I was wondering what is that Dante thing about... Is it new music? It seems there's nothing about this on the official sites. What happened on this Inferno concert? From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno > Hello everyone, > I was wondering what is that Dante thing about... Is it new music? It seems > there's nothing about this on the official sites. What happened on this > Inferno concert? The Dante concert (which was performed in Bernau/Berlin on October 7th) is the first part of Tangerine Dream's interpretation of Dante Alighieri's 'Divine comedy'. The first part is called 'Inferno', the second part is 'Purgatory' (as far as I know it will be performed live next year in Atlanta, Georgia), the 3rd is 'Paradise' and will be performed live in Sydney (2003?) The music is completely new, at the concert TD played one continiuous track which had a length of nearly 80 minutes. As far as I know the official CD was scheduled for release somewhere next month, or at a slightly later date. I hope the music on the CD is as good as what was played during the concert, great stuff! Heiko n.p.: Van der Graaf Generator: H to He.. From: Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:07 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Inferno tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > the second part is 'Purgatory' (as far as I know it >will be performed live next year in Atlanta, Georgia), Edgar must have spent some time stuck in Atlanta traffic... - jim From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: Off Topic Hello TD,ers While looking through the Google.com site for TD related websites,i came across a very interesting discovery,www.tangerinedreamxxx.com,i sure hope Edgar aint seen this one,this will surely raise his pulse. Can you imagine this woman strutting her stuff to CATWALK, no comment. Best regards CJ From: mikael.jussila@p... Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: Re: Pohjola --- In tadream@y..., Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk > >Yeah, I would definitely classify him as jazzy (note: not jazz, but > jazz-_y_). The only ones I'm familiar with, though, are: Well, Pohjola himself says his music is heavy-jazz. I think it's quite accurate description. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: RE: Zeit was TOTT >I agree, but although I like Zeit very much - it's one of the best examples >of space/ambient music I know - I rarely play it. It's a hard album to listen to, I mean, to sit and listen to all of it. The first time I tried I fell asleep...< Precisely what I've used Zeit for--falling asleep--single disc version on infinite repeat. It is disconcerting to wake up to afterwards, but not nearly as disconcerting as falling asleep to the radio show 'music from the hearts os space' only to be rudely awakened later by Negativland's radio show 'Over the Edge'. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Favourite music other than TD My favourite music. I can give you more than 5 but not just 5. Klaus Schulze Van Der Graaf Generator Marcella Detroit Future Sound of London T Rex David Bowie Fashion Dead or Alive Moby Bauhaus Patti Smith Reinhard Lakomy You Michael Rother Tibetan Chant music David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TOTT funny. well, not so funny anymore as it seems to be a recurring theme on the list: going back and listening to something you used to dislike, only to find that you like it now. on a whim I put Destination Berlin in the computer to listen a couple weeks ago and liked it! well, most of it. i couldn't stand it before... > -----Original Message----- > From: sean@t... [mailto:sean@t...] ... > album at least (Firetongues). That's more than I can say for Deadly > Care, Zoning, Zeit, Destination Berlin or Great Wall of China. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:24 pm Subject: status of gerald? interesting note from Gerald Gradwohl's website: 'TANGERINE DREAM USA TOUR: Due to some differences I decided NOT to go on US tour with Tangerine Dream in fall!! I made this decision before the terrorism started in the US,but these tragic and horrible events confirmed my decision. My thoughts are with the victims and their relatives-God bless you all!' Now that the tour has been postponed, will he still not be there? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30189 Re: status of gerald? Michael Jean Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] status of gerald? I didn't even know he had a website.... Which other people assocaited with the band have sites of their own? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> jshoults@f... 11/19/01 05:24PM >>> interesting note from Gerald Gradwohl's website: 'TANGERINE DREAM USA TOUR: Due to some differences I decided NOT to go on US tour with Tangerine Dream in fall!! I made this decision before the terrorism started in the US,but these tragic and horrible events confirmed my decision. My thoughts are with the victims and their relatives-God bless you all!' Now that the tour has been postponed, will he still not be there? ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:35 pm Subject: re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 >interesting note from Gerald Gradwohl's website: 'TANGERINE DREAM USA TOUR: Due to some differences I decided NOT to go on US tour with Tangerine Dream in fall!!< well if Zlatko's unavailable, will we finally get Edgar to whip out his 6 string once again and play the U.S.? tha would be the best news I've heard all day/week/year/decade! Now if this U.S. tour actually happens in 2002 it'll be even better news. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30191 Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 Armin Theissen Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB 30197 Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 Owens, James Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB 30198 Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 Joe Shoults Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:49 am Subject: Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 Gerald's site also has some nice TD photos. The one called 'last instructions...' is funny. armin http://www.gradwohl.at --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > >interesting note from Gerald Gradwohl's website: > > 'TANGERINE DREAM USA TOUR: > Due to some differences I decided NOT to go on US tour with Tangerine Dream > in fall!!< > > well if Zlatko's unavailable, will we finally get Edgar to whip out his 6 > string once again and play the U.S.? tha would be the best news I've heard > all day/week/year/decade! > > Now if this U.S. tour actually happens in 2002 it'll be even better news. > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: chris franke question hi i have just won a cd on ebay called chris franke :- Paintings for films volume 2. the seller has just informed me that On the CD is written: Contemporary Popular Tracks 1-11. i have been searching through my franke collection and cannot find a single cd with 11 tracks on, i do not have this cd as yet but if any one has any info on these releases please let me know. i hope the tracks are unreleased music by franke, i can but hope :-) Duncan McKee tangram12@a... www.tadream.co.uk From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:01 am Subject: Re: Lily on the Beach > From: 'John Vertical' [...] > Mount Shasta -is there one in real world, and where? Yup, in California. You can find any number of images of it using Google... -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: test Test, please ignore Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: RE:Mount Shasta http://www.shastacam.com http://www.mtshastachamber.com/ Beautiful Mount Shasta, in Northern California, the second highest volcano in the United States and a major peak of the Cascade range. Mt. Shasta is surrounded by natural beauty and plenty of recreational activities. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg now online Anybody got a translation for the interview? I'm especially interested in the part where JS describes what happened with Michael Mann and Miami Vice (the fact that Jan Hammer got the job of scoring). James > -----Original Message----- > > http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/interview_schmoelling.htm > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 9:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 I guess you mean the one with the light beam emanating from Edgar's head? Just goes to show how 'brilliant' he is (*hee hee*) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:49 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 > > > > Gerald's site also has some nice TD photos. The one > called 'last instructions...' is funny. > > armin > > http://www.gradwohl.at From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: gerald gradwohl/6 string/US tour 2002 FYI: I got a confirmaiton from Gerald: he will not be with TD on the tour. > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > Gerald's site also has some nice TD photos. The one > called 'last instructions...' is funny. > > armin > > http://www.gradwohl.at > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg now on line go to http://world.altavista.com/ then paste the URL in and trudge through the semi-translation until we get a real English version > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Anybody got a translation for the interview? > > I'm especially interested in the part where JS describes what > happened with > Michael Mann and Miami Vice (the fact that Jan Hammer got the job of > scoring). > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > http://www.grenzwellen.com/new/interview_schmoelling.htm From: 'Jupe' Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:43 pm Subject: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by TDfans (TD mailing list in Spanish) July 2000 INTRO Well, we sat in the kitchen of his studio. Johannes lay on his couch with a cigarillo between his lips/ fingers and I read question to question and he told me in short words what I should write (or not ;-) ). Inbetween we drank a cup of black tea. It was a sunny Sunday morning and we had a look through the window to the garden. ---- · How did you start making music? I started playing the piano at the age of eight. Later, when I was twelve or thirteen years old, I changed the instrument from the piano to the church organ, because each Sunday I could listen to its sound at our church. It was a huge instrument, and I was fascinated by its richness and variety of sound colors, as well as the ambience and acoustic inside the huge cathedral. When I was sixteen, I became a member of a rock band at school. We played the music of Jimi Hendrix, John Mayall, the Nice, and other stuff of the late sixties. In 1972 I joined the University of Music and Technology in Berlin, where I graduated in 1977. · Which were your first encounters with electronic instruments? My first electronic instrument was a mini moog, which I played in a band before TD. I still own and use it in my studio. · How did you become a member of TD? In the Summer of 1979, Edgar Froese invited me for an audition in his studio. Someone must have told him about my musical and technical background, and so he thought that I might become a good substitute for Peter Baumann. In the audition I played an improvised piece of music on his Steinway Grand for nearly twenty minutes. I think he was impressed with the way I played, and I was offered a part in the band. · What did you call your music while you were in TD? Just electronic music, or as Edgar once said 'music for never made films', or something like that. · Now that you have been away from TD for a number of years, could you tell us your positive and negative experiences while in TD? After all that touring - recording - touring - recording stress I needed a break from TD. · While recording the track ?Loved by the sun? from the 'Legend' original soundtrack, did you meet Jon Anderson? How was Jon chosen to sing the track? No, I didn't meet Jon myself, maybe Edgar did so. It was the wish of us , the band and also of the movie's producers. · Do you keep in touch with Froese? And with Franke? From time to time I hear something from Edgar (we're living in the same town). With Chris I have no contact at the moment. · Did you know that Edgar publicly said that you would be the only former member of TD that he would consider playing with again? Yes. The members of TDfans have a few questions of a more technical nature: · A 1986 issue of ?Keyboard? magazine stated that you used an 'EEH CM 4 DIGITAL SEQUENCER' on your solo release ?Wuivent Riet? and that after your departure from TD you still had one of them. This instrument is also featured on the 1983 Warsaw (Poland) concert, could you explain, in general, what the features of the 'EEH CM 4 DIGITAL SEQUENCER' are. It has 16 x 4 banks of individual voltages. Specifically it's surface is analog, but each setup is stored digitally into of of 99 banks. So the exiting feature is that you can handle it as an analog sequencer but everything is stored in acomputer. · Being that the sequencing was so important in that period, was working with that instrument to your satisfaction? Yes. · Did it lack any features you might have wanted? In that period the development of that sequencer, especially for live performance, meant a great step ahead! · In TD?s live performances and after having viewed the videos of Poland 83 and Athens 84, could you tell us if the basic sequencing, rhythm tracks and sound effects were Midi controlled or were they partly or mostly previously recorded? Basic squencing, or parts of it, were controlled by midi sequencing & analog sequencers as well; sound effects mostly were preprogrammed in digital synthesizers; for rhythm tracks we preprogrammed different rhythm machines e.g. sequential circuits, Oberheim or EMU. About the difficult world of music we would like to ask: · Could you tell us what kind of music do you listen to? Who are the electronic musicians that attract your attention? I listen to various types of pop and classical music. It really depends on the project I'm working on at the time, or what kind of mood I'm in. At the moment my favorite composer is once again Bach. I played a lot of Bach's fugues and preludes on the organ in my younger days, and now I've discovered his music composed for piano or cembalo. And there is one artist who plays these compositions as no one else I have ever heard - Glenn Gould. He is, or I should say, he was, a genius. He played Bach the way no one else could, and at the same time he was also very interested in studio works. Because of his open mind concerning technical questions, how to record music or to produce it in a recording studio, he was far beyond the way other pianists recorded or performed. He was twenty years ahead of his time. · What do you think of labels like Trip-hop, Techno, Jungle, Drum and Bass, Ambient...? Interessting stilistics besides the classical EM. · Are these diverse currents positive for 'Electronic music'? Yes. · What are your views on the future of music? Will technology triumph over the musician? A music which really counts can not be controlled by the technology. First of all creativity comes from human beings. Tchnics are only the vehicle for artistic thoughts of a composer/ musician. · Do you think there is any association or link between electronic music, more specifically electronic music with cosmic or space themes, and sci-fi? It seems to be, but most of the time it's a chlichee. · Why are you re-mixing or re-recording your great solo recordings? The old CD's are not any longer available on the original release labels. · Could you tell us what you are working on now, and what your future plans are? Re-mixing or re-recording of my great solo recordings! ;-) No, I'm just kidding! My future plans are as follows: - launch an own label for releasing my own music and also from other artists - more Theatre-/ Film music - new studio album . Best Regards from your fans and friends of TDfans It was a pleasure to answer your questions! 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ID Date Size 32340 test please ignore Grant M Somerville Sat 2/23/2002 2 KB 32343 Re: test please ignore Mark Filipak Sun 2/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1118 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:51:02 +0200 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: Lily on the Beach (...) > calm Mount Shasta -is there one in real world, and where?- is a nice (...). > John Vertical In California, an extinct volcano, 14,161 ft high. A simple seach on 'google' would have told you that, in 0.10 second... C.B.Vincent Goudreault From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 7:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I refuse to ignore >test > There has been quite a few of these lately. What's this all about? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:15 am Subject: Re: Johannes Schmoelling intervies by TDfans (TD mailing list in Spanish) July 2000 Hi, I'm working on an english translation of the recently published german interview with Schmoelling. Give me a day or eventually two (I've got a job to do...) armin ps: if somebody else is doing this already, please let me know in private: Armin.Theissen at sun.com --- In tadream@y..., 'Jupe' wrote: > > INTRO > > Well, we sat in the kitchen of his studio. > > Johannes lay on his couch with a cigarillo between his lips/ fingers and I > read question to > question and he told me in short words what I should write (or not ;-) ). > > Inbetween we drank a cup of black tea. It was a sunny Sunday morning and we > had a look through > the window to the garden. > > > ---- > · How did you start making music? > > I started playing the piano at the age of eight. Later, when I was twelve or > thirteen > years old, I changed the instrument from the piano to the church organ, > because each > Sunday I could listen to its sound at our church. It was a huge instrument, > and I was > fascinated by its richness and variety of sound colors, as well as the > ambience and > acoustic inside the huge cathedral. > > When I was sixteen, I became a member of a rock band at school. We played > the music > of Jimi Hendrix, John Mayall, the Nice, and other stuff of the late sixties. > In 1972 I > joined the University of Music and Technology in Berlin, where I graduated > in 1977. > > · Which were your first encounters with electronic instruments? > > My first electronic instrument was a mini moog, which I played in a band > before TD. I still own > and use it in my studio. > > · How did you become a member of TD? > > In the Summer of 1979, Edgar Froese invited me for an audition in his > studio. > Someone must have told him about my musical and technical background, and so > he > thought that I might become a good substitute for Peter Baumann. In the > audition I > played an improvised piece of music on his Steinway Grand for nearly twenty > minutes. I think he was impressed with the way I played, and I was offered a > part in > the band. > > · What did you call your music while you were in TD? > > Just electronic music, or as Edgar once said 'music for never made films', > or something like > that. > > · Now that you have been away from TD for a number of years, could you > tell us your positive > and negative experiences while in TD? > > After all that touring - recording - touring - recording stress I needed a > break from TD. > > · While recording the track ?Loved by the sun? from the 'Legend' original > soundtrack, did you > meet Jon Anderson? How was Jon chosen to sing the track? > > No, I didn't meet Jon myself, maybe Edgar did so. It was the wish of us , > the band and also of > the movie's producers. > > · Do you keep in touch with Froese? And with Franke? > > From time to time I hear something from Edgar (we're living in the same > town). With Chris I have > no contact at the moment. > > · Did you know that Edgar publicly said that you would be the only former > member of TD that > he would consider playing with again? > > Yes. > > > The members of TDfans have a few questions of a more technical nature: > > · A 1986 issue of ?Keyboard? magazine stated that you used an 'EEH CM 4 > DIGITAL SEQUENCER' on > your solo release ?Wuivent Riet? and that after your departure from TD you > still had one of them. > This instrument is also featured on the 1983 Warsaw (Poland) concert, could > you explain, in > general, what the features of the 'EEH CM 4 DIGITAL SEQUENCER' are. > > It has 16 x 4 banks of individual voltages. Specifically it's surface is > analog, but each setup > is stored digitally into of of 99 banks. So the exiting feature is that you > can handle it as an > analog sequencer but everything is stored in acomputer. > > · Being that the sequencing was so important in that period, was working > with that instrument > to your satisfaction? > > Yes. > > · Did it lack any features you might have wanted? > > In that period the development of that sequencer, especially for live > performance, meant a great > step ahead! > > · In TD?s live performances and after having viewed the videos of Poland > 83 and Athens 84, > could you tell us if the basic sequencing, rhythm tracks and sound effects > were Midi controlled > or were they partly or mostly previously recorded? > > Basic squencing, or parts of it, were controlled by midi sequencing & analog > sequencers as well; > sound effects mostly were preprogrammed in digital synthesizers; for rhythm > tracks we > preprogrammed different rhythm machines e.g. sequential circuits, Oberheim > or EMU. > > About the difficult world of music we would like to ask: > > · Could you tell us what kind of music do you listen to? Who are the > electronic musicians > that attract your attention? > > I listen to various types of pop and classical music. It really depends on > the project I'm > working on at the time, or what kind of mood I'm in. At the moment my > favorite composer is once > again Bach. I played a lot of Bach's fugues and preludes on the organ in my > younger days, and > now I've discovered his music composed for piano or cembalo. > > And there is one artist who plays these compositions as no one else I have > ever heard - > Glenn Gould. He is, or I should say, he was, a genius. He played Bach the > way no one > else could, and at the same time he was also very interested in studio > works. Because > of his open mind concerning technical questions, how to record music or to > produce it > in a recording studio, he was far beyond the way other pianists recorded or > performed. > He was twenty years ahead of his time. > > · What do you think of labels like Trip-hop, Techno, Jungle, Drum and > Bass, Ambient...? > > Interessting stilistics besides the classical EM. > > · Are these diverse currents positive for 'Electronic music'? > > Yes. > > · What are your views on the future of music? Will technology triumph > over the musician? > > A music which really counts can not be controlled by the technology. First > of all creativity > comes from human beings. Tchnics are only the vehicle for artistic thoughts > of a composer/ > musician. > > · Do you think there is any association or link between electronic music, > more specifically > electronic music with cosmic or space themes, and sci-fi? > > It seems to be, but most of the time it's a chlichee. > > · Why are you re-mixing or re-recording your great solo recordings? > > The old CD's are not any longer available on the original release labels. > > · Could you tell us what you are working on now, and what your future > plans are? > > Re-mixing or re-recording of my great solo recordings! ;-) > No, I'm just kidding! > My future plans are as follows: > - launch an own label for releasing my own music and also from other artists > - more Theatre-/ Film music > - new studio album > > . Best Regards from your fans and friends of TDfans > > It was a pleasure to answer your questions! > > Berlin , July 2000 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Thanks to the TDfans (TD Spanish mailing list) members for providing the > questions. http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/tdfans > Thanks to Andreas for asking our questions to Johannes. > Thanks to Marcelo for translating. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > jupe@e... > > http://pagina.de/tangerinedream > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - From: Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 11:04 am Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /interview_schmoelling_eng.txt Uploaded by : ath@s... Description : english translation of german Schmoelling interview, 2001 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/interview_schmoelling_eng.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, ath@s... From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 11:09 am Subject: Schmoelling interview - english translation Hi, I translated the recent Schmoelling Interview from Ecki Steig and uploaded it ('files' to your left if you're on the web). Bear with me for mistakes, I'm not a native english speaker. I also attach it to this mail. bye armin english translation of Schmoelling interview 2001 with Ecki Steig during Braunschweig Film Festival. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Since their formation in 1967, Tangerine Dream went through many metamorphises: From the atonal experimental beginnings on early albums like 'Zeit' and 'Atem' until the current works celebrated today by Tangerine Dream head Edgar Froese and his son Jerome which merely seem like stale re-hashes of past times, the band underwent numerous stilistical and personal changes. The 'Froese Franke Bauman' line-up is still regarded as the classical one. Between 1974 and 1980, they recorded the partly improvised, sequencer-driven and even today regarded as typical albums like 'Stratosfear', 'Ricochet' or 'Encore'. But already at the end of the 70s Edgar Froese asked himself whether this style could be continued, or whether new, more structured ways should be looked after. This task was simplfied after the departure of Peter Baumann, and got more difficult with the 79 production 'Force Majeure': already on this album, he tried to make the band - meanwhile reduced to the Froese Franke duo - more 'earthy', rock-oriented and streamlined. But to take this to perfection, the third man was missing. This one Edgar Froese found 1980 with Johannes Schmoelling. Born 1950, Schmoelling did not correspond much to the picture of a genius dilettant the band so far personalised. He was a trained organist and sound engineer and worked as such at the 'Schaubuehne am Halleschen Ufer' [a theather - armin] in Berlin, when Froese, not without careful contemplation - took him into the band... Johannes Schmoelling: Actually I had almost no idea at that time who Tangerine Dream was. The contact did not come directly. I realised for myself that the job as a sound engineer did not satisfy me completely, and I was looking for other possibilities, to get musically active more directly. I didn't knew much about the electronic possibilities and the instruments. Sure, I had a Mini-Moog and it was clear to me what Tangerine Dream stood for, but that was all. However, when Edgar Froese invited me and we played for each other, we immediately reached a common level on which we understood each other. The first album in which JS participated was the 1980 album 'Tangram' It couldn't be missed that something had changed. To the big regret of many fans, the improvised, spherical and playful sequencer lines vanished and made room for far more structured, but not less colourful sound images... JS: I'm always happy when such things are retrospectively recognised. Many people are not able to hear that. It was also a completely different constellation. Christopher Franke was - as before - the rhythm man, who also masterd sequencing perfectly, Edgar Froese was the sound designer and catalyst, and I was the conventional musician. A craftsman the band - according to Froese - urgently needed. JS: Edgar always had a good sensation for who and what he could take into the band. And he had clear ideas about what didn't fit. Edgar and I did had some arguments - especially when he was of the opinion that I would go to far into popular, rock or jazz oriented spheres. In such cases I was always slowed down - and that was alright, because he kept the trademark up. Although TD was already in 1977 able to achieve credits as film music composers with the soundtrack to the William Friedkin movie 'Sorcerer', they established themselves there only with JS. More than that: the door to Hollywood opened wide with the soundtrack to Michael Mann's debuet 'Thief'. JS: Maybe it was simply the time to combine this sound style with movies. Especially the film directors in Hollywood realised this very early. It was clear that our music didn't fit to 'Dr. Zhiwago', but for action movies it fitted very well. But still it is not taken for granted that american directors and producers would pay attention to a german band who has in their own country still the unjustified reputation as botton-pushing dilletants... JS: I think that TD was very unique at that time in respect to their sound and instrumentation. But it was remarkable that they were far more popular abroad than in their home country. Except for two pieces for the 'Tatort' [german TV series] there was nobody here [germany] who thought that our music was suitable [for films]. The americans realised the impact and potential of film music much earlier - and experimented. Michael Mann for instance used our music with incredibly high volume in 'Thief', so that some critics called him crazy. But exactly this was his intention. Especially the monotonous sequencing, which I found so nerve-wrecking on our concerts, worked perfectly here. Could it be in the first place that the music of TD had film qualities anyway - even worked as soundtrack for the mind - without visual enhancements at all? JS: Absolutely! Our music always kept some space free for pictures and imagination. And the film directors realised this quickly. This music was very broad and served at the same time to amplify the pictures instead of just supporting them. Not only because of that TD was treated very respectfully by film directors. They gave the band freedoms other soundtrack composers can only dream about today. Sometimes ten minute long tracks were used which on top of that not even payed attention to the film scenario, so that as a consequence TD soundtracks differ only marginally from official albums. JS: That is completely correct. This is exactly the freedom I miss so very much today as a soundtrack composer. Today you're forced to stick exactly to the pictures and to react plakatively. The work methods were completely different in those days. First, we had a lot of time. And the directors took more risks and were much more involved. Although we took a lot of freedoms, the work and confrontation with the film material was extremely intensive, and we would never have allowed ourselves to use pre-fabricated or even old material. Asking directly and naive: How did Schmoelling and the band work on soundtracks? JS: I always tried - and still do so today, by the way - to play, compose or improvise directly to the images. With the pictures came the ideas. We never forced ourselves to support or decorate the mood of the image. Nobody expected this anyway. Michael Mann, for instance, wanted that we transfer his visual techniques and astethics on an acustic level. He did not intended at all to emphasize a certain situation actustically, like it is done today. In 'Thief' he simply wanted that the music sounds cold, desolate and machine-like and thus corresponds with the nature of the protagonist. Does - or better: should a soundtrack work also without pictures? JS: Absolutely. I don't know how Edgar would answer this question, and I cannot speak for the band, but I simply feel responsible as a musician. I cannot expect that somebody who buys the CD has seen the movie. If I take something out of the context and the sound won't work without the picture, then I have to complete this lost visual component acustically. I set myself a high standard there, and I was always driving myself to work on these soundtracks so that they always make sense for the listener also without the pictures. TD's work for american movies did make some impression in America, and found a few imitators... just compare Jan Hammer's music for Michael Mann's 'Miami Vice' series with the 81 'Exit' album. The parallels are clear... JS: The fact that Jan Hammer got the job for Miami Vice made Edgar Froese really upset, because he tried to get this one as well. But you're right, there are these parallels. Despite the fact that 'Exit' sounds very conventional, it was from a recording point of view one of the most experimental and most difficult albums at all. But the sound of our soundtracks and studio albums did doubtlessly inspire many soundtrack composers. As much as working with electronic equipment was even in the 80s an unusual method, almost every soundtrack composer works with digital computers today. The composer and musician can react much more directly and on the point to the images... JS: The advantage is simply the fact that you can work much faster, more precisely and virtual. For me personally, however, it is more important that I can print out my spontaneous improvisations, and that I can develop real compositions from the sheet music. The big disadvantage, however, is the loss of uniqueness. This moment is not there anymore - cannot be there anymore - because everything we do you can store! With analog techniques that wasn't possible. We often sat for hours at our apparatus and tried to create a sound. At some point then it made 'click' and you knew you had got this sound! But then you had to record it quickly, because it was not storable - not reproducable. This was always scary with live concerts. I still remember very precisely our concerts in Poland, where we had several power failures. Hours of intensive work were destroyed instantly. But this accidents were also very helpful. Often those analoge machines were simply going nuts - and uttered sounds which nobody wanted. But often, it was exactly this sound you were looking for subconsciously. And also these accidents were unfortunately not reproducable. You had to record them at once, otherwise this sound was lost forever. I am very happy that I experienced both worlds. The analog world, which was captivating for its uniqueness, and the digital, with which you could work more effectively and in a planful manner. Just like most of his colleagues, JS works almost only with digital equipment today - on his solo albums as well as composer for soundtracks, most of all for the ZDF [big german TV channel]. JS: Unfortunately it won't work otherwise. I cannot tell the ZDF that I wait now for two weeks until my analog synths spit out the fitting sound. Emotionally I would love to work like in the old times again, but probably most of my colleagues experience that and it is not realistic, unfortunately. I tried to assimilate with this new rythm of fast, effective and cheap - or better say 'cost effective' - productions. The alternative would be to do my old job as a sound engineer [actually 'sound master' - sound engineer in a theater], but I don't want to do that. So, I cannot complain. Still, I do long a bit from my experience during the 80s, and I am very grateful that I could be part of the musical development in which I could realise myself as a musician - and still got payed very well! The studio work was much more to the likings of the perfectionist and composer Schmoelling than the in these times also very numerous improvised live albums like 'Quichotte', 'Logos', or 'Poland'. JS: What we did there was not always hitting the point - and it is no secret that I had my difficulties with our live performances. But I had to learn to deal with that very early. When we got that offer - after two months work into 'Tangram' - to play in the former GDR in Berlin in the 'Palace of the Republic', Edgar immediately aggreed. I declared him crazy and asked him what we should play there. He just said: 'Who gives a shit, we just go there. You sit at the piano, improvise, and finish on E-major. Then we come and go on.' And that was how it worked. What else could we have done, we didn't had any new material! That went on in masses: From 1980 to 1985, so during the time Schmoelling was a member of the band, TD produced a for their terms small number of 5 studio albums, but one dozen of soundtracks of which 9 were published. This disciplinating work for the movies affected the style of the band: the compositions became more compressed and shorter, but the band also started to produce faster and faster and more and more... On the 85 album 'Le Parc' they refrained for the first time from producing the usual 20 minute long broad epics. Instead 9 thematically interlinked sound images were produced. For Johannes Schmoelling this was not a whole-hearted new beginning since the three musicians were already very alienated from each other... JS: In the 70s - plainly spoken - the sequencer was started, and then they looked for what came out of it. Only with me did the band try to create structures, which were admittedly more of conventional nature, although the instrumentation and the sound were still very unconventional. For the first time we planned melodies and harmonic structures, so: composed! The pieces were still supported by the sequencers, but not dominated! Although we still did not create songs, there were more breaks. The band discovered that you can still say something very beautifully in only three minutes. But it had to be like that. The electonic music of the 80s could not go on with the compositional means of the 70s. Klaus Schulze is one of the very few who still tries to do this today. For me, however, it is impossible to record a piece without a structure, without a theme, melody, middle part and its variations etc.. This precisely was and is my strength. When we finally reached that aim with 'Le Parc', the band had - from an art point of view - drifted apart so much that we did not form a team work anymore. Similar as with the Beatles on the 'White Album', Froese and Franke and I had recorded the pieces completely independent from each other. Therefore, for me 'Le Parc' was the end of the band. Why did this development diverge so much? JS: Hard to tell. I actually think that Chris, Edgar and myself would still today fit well together and manage to do something very nice. But I felt at that time that we didn't proceed in that constellation, if we continued to work the way we did. We more and more fulfilled expectations and just operated out of drawers, and we made just too many soundtracks. Curiously I had to point out that the original goal of the band was another one, and that the name Tangerine Dream was still a trade mark label, and that it could not be our job to provide yet another soundtrack for the most stupid movie. Both our studio and live albums suffered from this, and we worked faster and faster, and more and more uninspiredly. At some stage we reached the point at which I did not wanted to support this. A radical cut and a longer creative time-out to find ourselves again would urgently have been necessary, in particular since there were a lot of other excellent electronic bands in the mid 80s who made very explicit competition. And in order to distinguish from them, we should have made a step forward. But I could not come in front with my ideas any more. So the only way was to quit. How does Schmoelling judge the further development of TD after he left? JS: I have to say that I did not follow the way of the band after I quit. I don't want to judge what Edgar does today. I don't know it well enough, and I am also not supposed to do that. When Chris Franke left a few years after I did, I knew that I did the right thing and that an episode of TD has ultimatively come to an end. [that's it, folks] From: odean@m... Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: Schmoelling interview - english translation Thanks Armin for the translation. Very revealing! Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling intervies by Ecki Stieg now online I'd already done that. Of course Babelfish cuts out about 3/4 of the way through the article. Of course it translates things that shouldn't be translated too: Every time Michael Mann is listed it translates his name to Michael man. Of course the albums 'Zeit' and 'Atem' get translated to 'time' and 'breath', and the name of one theatre got translated to 'the stage stage stage'. Thanks Armin for the real translation. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > go to > http://world.altavista.com/ then paste the URL in and trudge > through the > semi-translation until we get a real English version From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 4:27 pm Subject: Re:Gerald Gradwohl What has happened to Zlatko Perica? Does anyone know what he is up to these days,with GG not touring in the US,whats the chances of a ZP return. Regards CJ. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Dante I can't find any Info. concerning the release of Dante on the Official website. Wasn't it talk about a release before Christmas or was that only rumours? This is one that I'm looking forward to after listening to the concert recording from Bernau. Sounds really interesting. Olle -np: Grosskopf/Baltes/Heilhecker: 4x3 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30213 Re: Dante Duncan McKee Wed 11/21/2001 2 KB 30220 Dante olle.rundgren@s... Thu 11/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 4:43 pm Subject: Zlatko's band website http://www.seven49.net/4-heads/gola/seven49.asp?CathActiv1=60&CathActiv2=238 >>> convention24@y... 11/21/01 11:27AM >>> What has happened to Zlatko Perica? Does anyone know what he is up to these days,with GG not touring in the US,whats the chances of a ZP return. Regards CJ. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: seeing double ticketmaster seems to be having problems at the moment--most of TD's 2002 US concert dates are listed twice... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Dante here is an email i recieved from martin K about the inferno cd:- Hi Duncan, we have no concrete release date for INFERNO yet. We will most probably have to postpone the release until next year as Edgar is currently revamping a few bits of the recording and placing the finishing touches on it. i hope this helps. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tandream.co.uk From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 2:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD I can only tell you what I've listened to within the past month, not necessarily favorite groups, but different from my usual diet of TD: Chris Franke (definitely not TD anymore at this point) Paul Haslinger (World Without Rules a very different style from anything I've heard before and a masterpiece) Scott Carpenter (effective use of that Indian flute thingy like in Legend) Mendelssohn (Die Walpurgis Nacht, German opera, fantastic even if I don't understand the language) Jimmy Buffet (well, I did live on a boat and he's the guru of that lifestyle) 8-) Dell NP:USA Wiltern 9-23-88 (contented sigh:back to my usual TD listening pleasure) As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30215 Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Mu Gustavo Jobim Thu 11/22/2001 3 KB 30219 Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Mu Armin Theissen Thu 11/22/2001 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 4:34 am Subject: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD Have you heard Haslinger's Score? I accidentally found this album some time ago, and I was very surprised and pleased to see it for sale, so I bought it blindly, and the music happened to be very nice indeed... It was my first and still only Haslinger solo. I don't have any Franke solo, except Klemania. I've got all EF solos, plus the two first Baumanns, and a few JS. Wuivend Riet was the first solo album I bought, and it's still one of my favourites of all time. GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a real Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious Semblance-like music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) For me, one of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, Equinoxe, Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others. >I can only tell you what I've listened to within the past month, not >necessarily favorite groups, but different from my usual diet of TD: > >Chris Franke (definitely not TD anymore at this point) >Paul Haslinger (World Without Rules a very different style from anything >I've heard before and a masterpiece) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30219 Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Mu Armin Theissen Thu 11/22/2001 4 KB From: vic rek Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 7:04 am Subject: CD-R Question: Dream Tales Can someone identify the concert and date for the 'Dream Tales' CD-R? I think it may be from London, Warsaw or Zabrze 1997? Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30217 Re: CD-R Question: Dream Tales Piotr'Millennium' Thu 11/22/2001 2 KB 30256 Re: CD-R Question: Dream Tales Owens, James Mon 11/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 7:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] CD-R Question: Dream Tales Hi Vic, Dream Tales ist from Brussels Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Can someone identify the concert and date for the 'Dream Tales' CD-R? > I think it may be from London, Warsaw or Zabrze 1997? > Thanks, > Vic From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 7:24 am Subject: Re: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD << GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a real Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious Semblance-like music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) For me, one of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, Equinoxe, Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others.>> *Gustavo, Your taste is excellent! Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30235 Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Mu Colin Jouxson Fri 11/23/2001 2 KB 30253 Epsilon In Malaysian Pale toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 7:36 am Subject: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD yes, I like Haslingers stuff (have Future Primitive, World Without Rules, and Score). When I saw Future Primitive in the shops years ago, I bought it blindly and was first not so very positivie about it, posting a remark to the (old) TD mailing list. To my surprise, I got an answer from Paul Haslinger himself, overall of course accepting my opinion but counter-arguing about some specific point I made... Nevertheless, FP grew on me as. I like all of Froese's solo works, including Ages ;-) I have and like Franke's Pacific Coast Highway, Klemania and the London concert, but I just refused starting to buy stuff like Babylon 5, Perry Rhodan (though I grew up with this) and all those soundtracks. Factory belt acustic wallpaper.... Johannes' stuff is simply great. I so eaglerly expected his first solo after he left, and knew that TD lost its best member. a. --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Have you heard Haslinger's Score? I accidentally found this album some time ago, and I was very surprised and pleased to see it for sale, so I bought it blindly, and the music happened to be very nice indeed... It was my first and still only Haslinger solo. I don't have any Franke solo, except Klemania. I've got all EF solos, plus the two first Baumanns, and a few JS. Wuivend Riet was the first solo album I bought, and it's still one of my favourites of all time. > > GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a real Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious Semblance-like music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) For me, one of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, Equinoxe, Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others. > > >I can only tell you what I've listened to within the past month, not > >necessarily favorite groups, but different from my usual diet of TD: > > > >Chris Franke (definitely not TD anymore at this point) > >Paul Haslinger (World Without Rules a very different style from anything > >I've heard before and a masterpiece) > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: RE:Dante Thanks. It's reassuring to know that he is giving it some extra time and attention, even though it means I'll have to strike an item from my Christmas wish-list. Olle >Hi Duncan, >we have no concrete release date for INFERNO yet. We will most >probably have to postpone the release until next year as Edgar is >currently revamping a few bits of the recording and placing the >finishing touches on it. From: vic rek Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 4:43 pm Subject: 1997 Tour Dates Thank you Piotr. Does anyone have the date and venue of this show? Well, maybe someone can post all the dates and venues of the 1997 tour - I can't locate my list anywhere??? Vic Piotr\'Millennium\' wrote: > Hi Vic, > > Dream Tales ist from Brussels > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > Can someone identify the concert and date for the 'Dream Tales' CD-R? > > I think it may be from London, Warsaw or Zabrze 1997? > > Thanks, > > Vic > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30230 Re: 1997 Tour Dates Piotr'Millennium' Fri 11/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Jupe' Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 8:49 pm Subject: Michael Karoli dies http://music.yahoo.com/music/news/launch/story.html?a=n/music/news/launch/rock/2\ 0011121/26/p1&b=n/music/news/launch/rock/20011121/26/p2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Humberto Luna Tirado To: Progresiva70s@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: [Progresiva70s] Feliz dia de la musica? Murio el guitarrista de Can Can Guitarist Michael Karoli Dies November 21, 2 p.m. ET, Billboard Michael Karoli, guitarist, violinist, and vocalist for legendary German experimental act Can, died Saturday at the age of 53. Although a cause of death is not yet known, bandmate Holger Czukay reports on his official Web site that the musician 'died unexpectedly while playing his favorite instrument.' The youngest member of the group, Karoli first met Can bassist Czukay as a guitar student in Switzerland in May 1966. Later linking up with drummer Jaki Liebezeit and keyboardist Irmin Schmidt, the group's line-up was solidified in time for 1968's 'Monster Movie.' Can's formidable reputation was then cemented after a stunning series of early albums made with American vocalist Malcolm Mooney ('Monster Movie') and Japanese singer Damo Suzuki ('Tago Mago,' 1971; 'Ege Bamyasi,' 1972; 'Future Days,' 1973). With a rotation of vocalists, Can continued on a path of unabated experimentation for 20 years, releasing its swansong, 'Rite Time,' in 1989. The group has proven amongst the most influential in recent rock history, particularly for subsequent generations of experimental acts such as the Talking Heads, Brian Eno, Sonic Youth, and Tortoise. On his Web site, Czukay reveals he last spoke to Karoli in October by phone to arrange a video interview so that the pair could go through their 'common history.' Hinting that Karoli was ill at the time of his death, Czukay writes, '[Michael] suggested to wait a bit longer, as it would appear to him speaking out his final testament. Thinking of his young children he tried to avoid this thought as they strongly needed [their] father. This afternoon I tried to confirm a date, a few hours too late.' Para cancelar su subscripción a este grupo, envíe un mensaje de correo electrónico a: Progresiva70s-unsubscribe@egroups.com La utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a su aceptación de las Condiciones del servicio así como de la Política de privacidad. Para cancelar su subscripción a este grupo, envíe un mensaje de correo electrónico a: Progresiva70s-unsubscribe@egroups.com La utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a su aceptación de las Condiciones del servicio así como de la Política de privacidad. Para cancelar su subscripción a este grupo, envíe un mensaje de correo electrónico a: Progresiva70s-unsubscribe@egroups.com La utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a su aceptación de las Condiciones del servicio así como de la Política de privacidad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30229 Re: Michael Karoli dies Armin Theissen Fri 11/23/2001 5 KB From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1120 > GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a real Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious Semblance-like music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) For me, one of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, Equinoxe, Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others. > Epsilon is a cracking album. I Napstered it last year. Do you have it on vinyl or cd? Have you any idea where to get it? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30225 Epsilon Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1120 Gustavo Jobim Fri 11/23/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 11:51 pm Subject: Haslinger I like Paul's solo work too - a bit different from TD. Have you heard Planetary Traveller? I like that one a lot too; also, Infinity's Child, though I don't think that's available on cd yet. << Subject: Haslinger solo etc Re: Re: Favourite Music other than TD yes, I like Haslingers stuff (have Future Primitive, World Without Rules, and Score).>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30226 Re: Haslinger chris towers Fri 11/23/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Epsilon Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1120 I have seen the vinyl for sale a few times - I think it's still available on the usual stores I go. It's a very pleasant sight, the EIMP vinyl, with that gorgeous cover. I have it on CD-R, copied from the original CD. I just haven't bought EIMP (vinyl) yet because it's really expensive, and I have other things to buy, such as Timewind picture disc (another very pleasant sight...) >Epsilon is a cracking album. I Napstered it last year. Do you have it on >vinyl or cd? Have you any idea where to get it? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: chris towers Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Haslinger Yeah i have heard the planetary traveller, i have it on DVD, very impressive score. Chris --- Liondream@a... wrote: > I like Paul's solo work too - a bit different from > TD. Have you heard > Planetary Traveller? I like that one a lot too; > also, Infinity's Child, > though I don't think that's available on cd yet. > > > > << Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:36:16 -0000 > From: 'Armin Theissen' > Subject: Haslinger solo etc Re: Re: Favourite Music > other than TD > > > yes, I like Haslingers stuff (have Future Primitive, > World Without > Rules, and Score).>>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: chris towers Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Update of 'Voices In The Net' Is there any further info about this being released on CD ROM ?, obviously at the moment it wouldnt be worthwhile as it is constantly being added to, but was just curious Chris > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:47 am Subject: 2 Vinyl Single`s on ebay Hi, I have two Tangerine Dream Single on ebay. First: - Monolight USA promo 1977 and Second: - Betrayal/Grind Spain Releases 1977 look under: http://members.ebay.de/aboutme/heineu/ Thank you for your bids and dont forget to send me your TOP 10 of electronic Music CD Release 2001!!! Many lists are arrived in the last week. www.opticaldream.de/dream/TOP10.htm Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) Insurance City AG - Hier Klicken - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?91424C1872486450 D2 Vodafone CallYa - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 9:13 am Subject: Re: Michael Karoli dies I'm very sad to hear this. I'm a big fan of Can. armin --- In tadream@y..., 'Jupe' wrote: > http://music.yahoo.com/music/news/launch/story.html?a=n/music/news/launch/r= ock/20011121/26/p1&b=n/music/news/launch/rock/20011121/26/p2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Humberto Luna Tirado > To: Progresiva70s@y... > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:50 PM > Subject: [Progresiva70s] Feliz dia de la musica? Murio el guitarrista de Can > > > Can Guitarist Michael Karoli Dies > November 21, 2 p.m. ET, Billboard > > > Michael Karoli, guitarist, violinist, and vocalist for legendary German experimental act Can, died Saturday at the age of 53. Although a cause of death is not yet known, bandmate Holger Czukay reports on his official Web site that the musician 'died unexpectedly while playing his favorite instrument.' > The youngest member of the group, Karoli first met Can bassist Czukay as a guitar student in Switzerland in May 1966. Later linking up with drummer Jaki Liebezeit and keyboardist Irmin Schmidt, the group's line-up was solidified in time for 1968's 'Monster Movie.' Can's formidable reputation was then cemented after a stunning series of early albums made with American vocalist Malcolm Mooney ('Monster Movie') and Japanese singer Damo Suzuki ('Tago Mago,' 1971; 'Ege Bamyasi,' 1972; 'Future Days,' 1973). > > With a rotation of vocalists, Can continued on a path of unabated experimentation for 20 years, releasing its swansong, 'Rite Time,' in 1989. The group has proven amongst the most influential in recent rock history, particularly for subsequent generations of experimental acts such as the Talking Heads, Brian Eno, Sonic Youth, and Tortoise. > > On his Web site, Czukay reveals he last spoke to Karoli in October by phone to arrange a video interview so that the pair could go through their 'common history.' Hinting that Karoli was ill at the time of his death, Czukay writes, '[Michael] suggested to wait a bit longer, as it would appear to him speaking out his final testament. Thinking of his young children he tried to avoid this thought as they strongly needed [their] father. This afternoon I tried to confirm a date, a few hours too late.' > > > > Para cancelar su subscripción a este grupo, envíe un mensaje de correo electrónico a: > Progresiva70s-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > La utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a su aceptación de las Condiciones del servicio así como de la Política de privacidad. > > > Para cancelar su subscripción a este grupo, envíe un mensaje de correo electrónico a: > Progresiva70s-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > La utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a su aceptación de las Condiciones del servicio así como de la Política de privacidad. > > > Para cancelar su subscripción a este grupo, envíe un mensaje de correo electrónico a: > Progresiva70s-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > La utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a su aceptación de las Condiciones del servicio así como de la Política de privacidad. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 1997 Tour Dates Hello, Seek has my WWW ('Ustalone koncerty TD') - is there list all( ?) of concerts Tangerine Dream. Is also something special 'DO WYMIANY (TRADING ITEMS)' Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Thank you Piotr. Does anyone have the date and venue of this show? > > Well, maybe someone can post all the dates and venues of the 1997 tour - I can't locate my list anywhere??? > > Vic > From: syldolu@v... Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 11:10 am Subject: Chris Franke Electronica Hello to everyone. Lately i received a cd from Franke titled Electronica.Do somebody have info(track listing/covers art) on this cd? I'm also looking for Vangelis cover art of the bootleg Theme 3. Thanks Sylvain from Québec http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan The place for Electronic Music bootlegs From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 11:22 am Subject: Translation of Schmoelling Interview online A translation of the interview from Ecki Stieg with Johannes Schmoelling can now be read on our website! Thanx to Armin Theissen and Mark Filipak for the translation! please check our website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de From: Dmitriy V N Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: listening to TD How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 hours every day doing nothing else but listening to the music (usually in the late evening or in the early morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30234 Re: listening to TD John Vertical Fri 11/23/2001 3 KB 30237 Re: listening to TD Adele Outland Fri 11/23/2001 3 KB 30238 Re: listening to TD Gustavo Jobim Sat 11/24/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] listening to TD >How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 >hours every day doing nothing else but listening to >the music (usually in the late evening or in the early >morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a >background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy > All the time, practically. I've got my whole TD collection as mp3s on my iMac, which I listen to whenever surfing on the Internet, writing something, etc. Currently listening to Atem. Also, I always listen to some album on my way to school and during the breaks with my portable CD player. It's not always TD, but anyway at least 50%. I also listen them when doing my homework or when I'm reading something. Or when on a bike trip. It's rarer for me to do nothing but listen to music, then. This all would sum some 20-30 hours a week. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 9:28 pm Subject: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > << GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a real > Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious Semblance-like > music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) For me, one > of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, Equinoxe, > Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others.>> > > *Gustavo, Your taste is excellent! > Poly Probably the GREATEST album of all time Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30253 Epsilon In Malaysian Pale toby.braddick@u... Mon 11/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 9:37 pm Subject: The Greatest Hello Just sat here with my sons tonight listening to the wonderful Tangerine Dream,My lads totally agree that the Dream are UNTOUCHABLE They are 15 and 10 years of age,but those chaps know theres only one TANGERINE DREAM Without doubt the WORLDS number 1 Best regards Colin,Stefan&Colin jnr TD lovers. TD the GREATEST From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] listening to TD I play TD when I'm in my car driving anywhere without a passenger. I play TD all day long at work, unfortunately it has to be very softly. I play TD whenever I'm on the computer which is approximately ten hours per week. I'm guessing over all it comes to about 40-50 hours per week. And I still fret about the time I'm missing when I'm not playing TD. Does this give you any indication of how much I'm looking forward to the US tour? 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Dmitriy V N >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] listening to TD >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:35:42 -0800 (PST) > >How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 >hours every day doing nothing else but listening to >the music (usually in the late evening or in the early >morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a >background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 3:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] listening to TD >How often do you listen to TD? Not so often, sometimes I spend a week without listening to TD. I recently played Green Desert and Atem, 2 albums I rarely play. Today I heard Great Wall of China, and my overall impression was better than the first. It's a nice album indeed... It's just that Froese's solo style is often hard to listen to; you have to agree with me that TD is now almost Edgar solo; from what I heard, it seems to me that Jerome's touch is always more on the rhythmic side of the music. Take the rhythm and modernesque sounds out (I haven't heard 7 Letters yet), and you have something pretty similar to me to Edgar solo: Macula Transfer, Aqua, Ages... This year I've heard lots of Klaus Schulze; I got a good number of KS albums, including most of the 70s albums. Recently I discovered Steve Reich, I got Music for 18 Musicians and Tehillim, both astonishing, specially Tehillim. The last 2 weeks I've actually been more in contact with TD, I played GD, Atem and GWOC, as I told before, and also Tangram, EIMP, Macula Transfer, Transharmonic Nights... This talk about TOTT made me want to go out and get it, since it's been a long while since I last bought a totally unheard TD album, so whenever possible I'll buy it. Actually, more than one year: last one was Hyperborea, in 16/sept/2000. Later I got Tangram, but I already had heard Set 1 and Pergamon was one of the first albums I bought, and this year I bought Cyclone and Rubycon, but I already had those, the first in CDR and the second in vinyl. BTW, it was the Brazilian Cyclone... nice huh? I only noticed it when I got home. It was a very pleasant surprise. Well, enough rambling, see ya GJ p.s. yeah, I do keep the dates and places of the albums I buy... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Felna Greymane Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 6:39 am Subject: Dream Tales Are you sure about that? I have it down as 4/23/97 in Zabrze, Poland. The site I had was at the Dome Muziki I Tanca (per Mysterious Semblance) Jeff >Hi Vic, > >Dream Tales ist from Brussels > >Pozdrawiam > >Piotr S. Millennium > >http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > > >> Can someone identify the concert and date for the 'Dream Tales' CD-R? >> I think it may be from London, Warsaw or Zabrze 1997? >> Thanks, >> Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30241 Re: Dream Tales Piotr'Millennium' Sat 11/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 7:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] music ??? Did you ever send me anything? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] music > Hi Dale, > > I finally finished a track for 'Dreamwatchers Tale 2' (not sure if it's going to be included though), changed some equipment > over, and am now turning out a lot of new pieces. > > I will try to send you something in the next few days as a WAV or MP3 file to see if that works. it will be great to see what > you might be able to do with it... > > best wishes, > > Mark Jenkins > > > > > Admin wrote: > > > Hi > > We talked a few months back about maybe working on some stuff together via > > the net. > > Have you thought any more about this? > > If so let me know. I am due to pick up a s-80 keyboard this weekend. This > > pretty much fixes my list of eq in the way of keyboards for now. I have > > plans for a jv-1010 with some add on boards later this year maybe, depends > > on cash. > > I think sending out wave file might be fine, as midi would depend on what > > you play it back on as to the orginal sound. I would like to do all this > > work in both, however. Wave and Midi so it can be altered and changed easy > > like. Also makes it easier to publish. My wife as a record label she uses > > for her stuff. So I am sure it all can be protected in some way to each of > > our benfits if it does take off. > > What do you think? > > I have to go get a tooth 'extracted' as they tell me in a few hours so I > > will be back later today perhaps. > > > > Dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 7:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Tales Yes , because I have video tape from Belgium. On Dream Tales after Warsaw in the Sun is only several of seconds Exit and later is Stratosfear' 95 - identically is on video tape from Brussels. I think, that Dream Tales this copy from video. Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Are you sure about that? I have it down as 4/23/97 in Zabrze, Poland. > > The site I had was at the Dome Muziki I Tanca (per Mysterious Semblance) > > Jeff > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re; Listening to TD How often does one listen to TD? Not as often as one may think. Sometimes I have a whole weekend of the band, sometimes not for a couple of weeks or so, and it may surprise some that later TD gets more play than earlier. My CD collection includes a host of other artists I enjoy listening to, and have just successfully introduced a Polish fan of music who likes TD to Mark Shreeve and Andy Pickford. The wife, on the other hand, can only listen to TD once in a while. Actually, my current fave is Dreamwatchers' Tales. It took a while to get into, but it's actually pretty good listening. I'll have to post a review soon... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30243 Re: Re; Listening to TD Greg Sat 11/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Listening to TD I like to listen to a variety of things, but I do often listen to a lot of TD and I find myself wanting to be involved in their longer pieces. It's much easier that I have quite a bit of my CDs converted to MP3 on my computer because I am much more likely to listen to it here on the computer than drag out a CD. I also like to listen to TD before I go to sleep - not that it helps me to fall asleep, it just puts a good cap on the day and the day to come. I usually have my brightest mental moments before I fall asleep and any other type of music usually falls short. I also like a lot of dance music and that fills my collection for just pure motivating music. Sometimes it crosses over.. I picked up a track by DJ Tiesto called 'Urban Train' and it's quite a good track and in spots, I wouldn't be able to tell if it was older TD or something new.. particularly around the 2:50 mark where synth washes come in with a Rubycon line sequenced bass line and ambient vocal like noises. It's these small bits that of TD like sound that sort of verifies that TD was influential in their time and the sound is truly timeless. Greg H. NP: DJ Tiesto: Urban Train From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Subject: listening to TD Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitriy V N Subject: listening to TD How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 hours every day doing nothing else but listening to the music (usually in the late evening or in the early morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:12:42 -0500 From: 'Adele Outland' Subject: Re: listening to TD I play TD when I'm in my car driving anywhere without a passenger. I play TD all day long at work, unfortunately it has to be very softly. I play TD whenever I'm on the computer which is approximately ten hours per week. I'm guessing over all it comes to about 40-50 hours per week. And I still fret about the time I'm missing when I'm not playing TD. Does this give you any indication of how much I'm looking forward to the US tour? 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. For me: driving into the train station, at work, 80% of the time, and when exercising. The kids will not let me listen at home to often and people at work groan when I tell them I have a 'new-to-me' concert CDR for them to enjoy with me. Is there something wrong with them? I think so. But I enjoy TD most when early morning or late at night when family is asleep or at very intense times at work. I just feel myself flowing into and with the music and it is a place I like too be. Regards, DPH Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30248 soundtrack for work Re: [tadream] Subject: listen Gustavo Jobim Sat 11/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1122 www.gemm.com is a good place to find rare music items such as Epsilon in Maylasian Pale. Robert Wear Rome GA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 03:00 Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1122 > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 9 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. listening to TD > From: Dmitriy V N > 2. Re: listening to TD > From: 'John Vertical' > 3. Haslinger solo etc Re: Re: Favourite Music other than TD > From: 'Colin Jouxson' > 4. The Greatest > From: 'Colin Jouxson' > 5. Re: listening to TD > From: 'Adele Outland' > 6. Re: listening to TD > From: Gustavo Jobim > 7. Dream Tales > From: Felna Greymane > 8. Re: music > From: 'Admin' > 9. Re: Dream Tales > From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:35:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Dmitriy V N > Subject: listening to TD > > How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 > hours every day doing nothing else but listening to > the music (usually in the late evening or in the early > morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a > background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:04:35 +0200 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: Re: listening to TD > > >How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 > >hours every day doing nothing else but listening to > >the music (usually in the late evening or in the early > >morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a > >background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy > > > > > All the time, practically. I've got my whole TD collection as mp3s on my > iMac, which I listen to whenever surfing on the Internet, writing something, > etc. Currently listening to Atem. Also, I always listen to some album on my > way to school and during the breaks with my portable CD player. It's not > always TD, but anyway at least 50%. I also listen them when doing my > homework or when I'm reading something. Or when on a bike trip. It's rarer > for me to do nothing but listen to music, then. This all would sum some > 20-30 hours a week. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:28:05 -0000 > From: 'Colin Jouxson' > Subject: Haslinger solo etc Re: Re: Favourite Music other than TD > > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > << GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a > real > > Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious > Semblance-like > > music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) > For me, one > > of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, > Equinoxe, > > Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others.>> > > > > *Gustavo, Your taste is excellent! > > Poly > Probably the GREATEST album of all time > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:37:18 -0000 > From: 'Colin Jouxson' > Subject: The Greatest > > Hello > Just sat here with my sons tonight listening to the wonderful > Tangerine Dream,My lads totally agree that the Dream are UNTOUCHABLE > They are 15 and 10 years of age,but those chaps know theres only one > TANGERINE DREAM Without doubt the WORLDS number 1 > Best regards Colin,Stefan&Colin jnr TD lovers. > TD the GREATEST > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:12:42 -0500 > From: 'Adele Outland' > Subject: Re: listening to TD > > I play TD when I'm in my car driving anywhere without a passenger. I play TD > all day long at work, unfortunately it has to be very softly. I play TD > whenever I'm on the computer which is approximately ten hours per week. I'm > guessing over all it comes to about 40-50 hours per week. And I still fret > about the time I'm missing when I'm not playing TD. Does this give you any > indication of how much I'm looking forward to the US tour? 8-) Dell > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > >From: Dmitriy V N > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [tadream] listening to TD > >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:35:42 -0800 (PST) > > > >How often do you listen to TD? For example I spend 1-2 > >hours every day doing nothing else but listening to > >the music (usually in the late evening or in the early > >morning) and play it more than 2 hours as a > >background. Can't imagine a day without that! Dmitriy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:05:10 -0200 > From: Gustavo Jobim > Subject: Re: listening to TD > > > >How often do you listen to TD? > > Not so often, sometimes I spend a week without listening to TD. I recently played Green Desert and Atem, 2 albums I rarely play. Today I heard Great Wall of China, and my overall impression was better than the first. It's a nice album indeed... It's just that Froese's solo style is often hard to listen to; you have to agree with me that TD is now almost Edgar solo; from what I heard, it seems to me that Jerome's touch is always more on the rhythmic side of the music. Take the rhythm and modernesque sounds out (I haven't heard 7 Letters yet), and you have something pretty similar to me to Edgar solo: Macula Transfer, Aqua, Ages... > > This year I've heard lots of Klaus Schulze; I got a good number of KS albums, including most of the 70s albums. Recently I discovered Steve Reich, I got Music for 18 Musicians and Tehillim, both astonishing, specially Tehillim. The last 2 weeks I've actually been more in contact with TD, I played GD, Atem and GWOC, as I told before, and also Tangram, EIMP, Macula Transfer, Transharmonic Nights... This talk about TOTT made me want to go out and get it, since it's been a long while since I last bought a totally unheard TD album, so whenever possible I'll buy it. Actually, more than one year: last one was Hyperborea, in 16/sept/2000. Later I got Tangram, but I already had heard Set 1 and Pergamon was one of the first albums I bought, and this year I bought Cyclone and Rubycon, but I already had those, the first in CDR and the second in vinyl. BTW, it was the Brazilian Cyclone... nice huh? I only noticed it when I got home. It was a very pleasant surprise. > > Well, enough rambling, see ya > GJ > p.s. yeah, I do keep the dates and places of the albums I buy... > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:39:27 -0600 > From: Felna Greymane > Subject: Dream Tales > > Are you sure about that? I have it down as 4/23/97 in Zabrze, Poland. > > The site I had was at the Dome Muziki I Tanca (per Mysterious Semblance) > > Jeff > > >Hi Vic, > > > >Dream Tales ist from Brussels > > > >Pozdrawiam > > > >Piotr S. Millennium > > > >http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > > > > > > > >> Can someone identify the concert and date for the 'Dream Tales' CD-R? > >> I think it may be from London, Warsaw or Zabrze 1997? > >> Thanks, > >> Vic > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:23:36 -0800 > From: 'Admin' > Subject: Re: music > > ??? Did you ever send me anything? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > To: > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] music > > > > Hi Dale, > > > > I finally finished a track for 'Dreamwatchers Tale 2' (not sure if it's > going to be included though), changed some equipment > > over, and am now turning out a lot of new pieces. > > > > I will try to send you something in the next few days as a WAV or MP3 file > to see if that works. it will be great to see what > > you might be able to do with it... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Mark Jenkins > > > > > > > > > > Admin wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > We talked a few months back about maybe working on some stuff together > via > > > the net. > > > Have you thought any more about this? > > > If so let me know. I am due to pick up a s-80 keyboard this weekend. > This > > > pretty much fixes my list of eq in the way of keyboards for now. I have > > > plans for a jv-1010 with some add on boards later this year maybe, > depends > > > on cash. > > > I think sending out wave file might be fine, as midi would depend on > what > > > you play it back on as to the orginal sound. I would like to do all this > > > work in both, however. Wave and Midi so it can be altered and changed > easy > > > like. Also makes it easier to publish. My wife as a record label she > uses > > > for her stuff. So I am sure it all can be protected in some way to each > of > > > our benfits if it does take off. > > > What do you think? > > > I have to go get a tooth 'extracted' as they tell me in a few hours so I > > > will be back later today perhaps. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:53:21 +0100 > From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' > Subject: Re: Dream Tales > > Yes , because I have video tape from Belgium. On Dream Tales after Warsaw in the Sun is only > several of seconds Exit and later > is Stratosfear' 95 - identically is on video tape from Brussels. I think, that Dream Tales this > copy from video. > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > > > Are you sure about that? I have it down as 4/23/97 in Zabrze, Poland. > > > > The site I had was at the Dome Muziki I Tanca (per Mysterious Semblance) > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? It was last Sunday. Just after 10am, and I was in the local Record Fair. One hits the town about four times a year. I cruised round the usual collection of stalls, offering the same old boots when, suddenly, I spotted the Holy Grail! L'Affairre Walraff! I picked it up - printing looked good. Opened the tray - photos looked okay. Took out the CD - it was real (i.e. not CDR). I handed it, and a twenty pound note to the vendor, wondering if he'd laugh at me and ask for another four notes of the same value. But no! He gave me 12 pounds back! So, here I was, with The Man Inside for eight pounds. Bargain of the millenium to date, or what? And then, when I got home, I played it. Hmmmm. A few pops and drop-outs. A look at the printing on the cover itself. Hmmm. Not as good as I'd expect. Could this be a, gasp, pirate? So, anyone know of any pirate copies of this album doing the rounds just now? Or is the 'real' CD little temperamental in the CD player? Any way I can tell if it pirate or legit? Thanks, Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30247 Re: L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? herold.u@t... Sat 11/24/2001 4 KB 30249 Re: L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? Phil White Sun 11/25/2001 5 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? Hi Craig, what you got is a 'boot'. Look at the matrix-number on the backside of the centre >>>M7E4 7956172 (*right - or?*) The original matrix is: >>>PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ You can only tell apart by the different matrix-numbers, aside from the print on the CD itself, it's a liitle bit weak against the original CD. cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Craig Cordrey' To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: [tadream] L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? > It was last Sunday. Just after 10am, and I was in the local Record Fair. One > hits the town about four times a year. I cruised round the usual collection > of stalls, offering the same old boots when, suddenly, I spotted the Holy > Grail! > > L'Affairre Walraff! > > I picked it up - printing looked good. Opened the tray - photos looked okay. > Took out the CD - it was real (i.e. not CDR). I handed it, and a twenty > pound note to the vendor, wondering if he'd laugh at me and ask for another > four notes of the same value. But no! He gave me 12 pounds back! > > So, here I was, with The Man Inside for eight pounds. Bargain of the > millenium to date, or what? > > And then, when I got home, I played it. Hmmmm. A few pops and drop-outs. A > look at the printing on the cover itself. Hmmm. Not as good as I'd expect. > Could this be a, gasp, pirate? > > So, anyone know of any pirate copies of this album doing the rounds just > now? Or is the 'real' CD little temperamental in the CD player? Any way I > can tell if it pirate or legit? > > Thanks, > > Craig Cordrey > craig.cordrey@b... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: soundtrack for work Re: [tadream] Subject: listening to TD Yeah, TD as soundtrack for working is usually nice; the kind of music I enjoy most is those rambling albums, like the Pink Years albums, and many of Schulze's early albums too. Usually when the music is more varied such as in Majeure and others I get distracted... GJ >But I enjoy TD most when early morning or late at night when family is >asleep or at very intense times at work. I just feel myself flowing into >and with the music and it is a place I like too be. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 11:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? Hi Craig... Interesting as I've just traded my original copy of this very disc. But my point in replying is that I too visit local record fairs on the look out for anything interesting in the synth vein and have noticed a new phenomena over the last few months. This is the pirating of bootlegs even !! Some are very well done even down to the printing on the discs themselves ( but check for missing matrix numbers in most cases ).Also 'genuine' boots tend to sell for around £25 whereas the copies are usually about £12. However I have seen a couple where you could clearly see the 'blank' disc manufacturers name under the label and the stallholder was still trying to sell them for the full whack! Some individuals get quite irate when you point this out to them (!) So I've no doubt that commercial discs are pirated but it seems unusual for such an esoteric item as Wallraff ( apart from subscribers to this group of course ) to attract the interest of pirates.Although I have seen newsgroup postings regarding copies in Europe. As always 'Caveat Emptor' eh ?? Regards Phil ---- Original Message ----- From: 'Craig Cordrey' To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: [tadream] L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? > It was last Sunday. Just after 10am, and I was in the local Record Fair. One > hits the town about four times a year. I cruised round the usual collection > of stalls, offering the same old boots when, suddenly, I spotted the Holy > Grail! > > L'Affairre Walraff! > > I picked it up - printing looked good. Opened the tray - photos looked okay. > Took out the CD - it was real (i.e. not CDR). I handed it, and a twenty > pound note to the vendor, wondering if he'd laugh at me and ask for another > four notes of the same value. But no! He gave me 12 pounds back! > > So, here I was, with The Man Inside for eight pounds. Bargain of the > millenium to date, or what? > > And then, when I got home, I played it. Hmmmm. A few pops and drop-outs. A > look at the printing on the cover itself. Hmmm. Not as good as I'd expect. > Could this be a, gasp, pirate? > > So, anyone know of any pirate copies of this album doing the rounds just > now? Or is the 'real' CD little temperamental in the CD player? Any way I > can tell if it pirate or legit? > > Thanks, > > Craig Cordrey > craig.cordrey@b... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1123 > Subject: Re: L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? > > Hi Craig, > > what you got is a 'boot'. Look at the matrix-number on the backside of the > centre >>>M7E4 7956172 (*right - or?*) > The original matrix is: >>>PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ > You can only tell apart by the different matrix-numbers, aside from the > print on the CD itself, it's a liitle bit weak against the original CD. Thanks Uwe. Thought it was too good to be true? The matrix number is as you quote. Are these newly produced? Perhaps someone saw the gap in the market, and the need expressed by the fans, and decided to fill it? Anyone want to swap for a real one? 8-)) Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30251 Re: Digest Number 1123 John Marchington Sun 11/25/2001 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1123 It's nice to know that I've got the genuine article, as the matrix number of mine is the second one mentioned -- up to and including the three @ characters. It's a French EMI pressing (perhaps they all were). I guess the longer one has owned a copy, the less likely it is to be an illegal one and I've had mine for quite a while now ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Craig Cordrey' To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1123 > > Subject: Re: L'Affaire Walraff Pirates? > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > what you got is a 'boot'. Look at the matrix-number on the backside of the > > centre >>>M7E4 7956172 (*right - or?*) > > The original matrix is: >>>PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ > > You can only tell apart by the different matrix-numbers, aside from the > > print on the CD itself, it's a liitle bit weak against the original CD. > > Thanks Uwe. Thought it was too good to be true? The matrix number is as you > quote. Are these newly produced? Perhaps someone saw the gap in the market, > and the need expressed by the fans, and decided to fill it? > > Anyone want to swap for a real one? 8-)) > > Craig Cordrey > craig.cordrey@b... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Victor Rek Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:54 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD Martin, You need to add Sepulcrum Mentis, a hot new Gothrock band from Berlin ;-) Vic >'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' wrote: > >> Top 7 (5 is too little) >> The Chameleons >> The Church >> The Cult >> The Mission >> Bauhaus >> Depeche Mode >> All About Eve > >Martin! I never would have suspected that you were a Goth.... :-) > *Vell, vell, sometimes vee all hevv to unvale ourselfs... ;-)= From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 10:28 am Subject: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale All the more frustrating that it doesn't appear to be available on CD at present ! Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > << GJ, now playing: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Edgar 2nd solo, 75 a > real > > Mellotron masterpiece: it's 35 minutes worth of Mysterious > Semblance-like > > music, with some soft sequencing like what you hear in Phaedra.) > For me, one > > of the best electronic albums of all time, up there with Phaedra, > Equinoxe, > > Mirage, X, Albedo 0.39, Oxygene, Stratosfear, E2-E4 and others.>> > > > > *Gustavo, Your taste is excellent! > > Poly > Probably the GREATEST album of all time From: mengels@w... Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 1:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon In Malaysian Pale Who knows, Edgar might release a wonderful (not!) remixed/tangentized version of Epsilon. Marcel >All the more frustrating that it doesn't appear to be available on CD >at present ! > >Toby >>> Jetzt NEU! .info und .biz Domains sind hier! Registrieren Sie Ihren eigenen Namen im Internet und reservieren Sie hier: Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at .info, .biz, .de com, net, org: Registrierung KOSTENLOS! --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail From: 'Jon Fry' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Tour coming to Boston? Howdy. Can anyone tell me if TD have re-scheduled a show for Boston? There's no listing at Ticketmaster, but there wasn't one for the October show, either. Thanks! Jon NP: _Underwater_Sunlight_ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30311 Re: Tour coming to Boston? Scott Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30313 Re: Tour coming to Boston? Adele Outland Thu 11/29/2001 3 KB 30314 TD at Jannus Landing St. Pete FL Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB 30327 Re: Tour coming to Boston? Joe Shoults Thu 11/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] CD-R Question: Dream Tales Vic, is this the one you have? James DREAM TALES Recorded April 23, 1997 Zabrze, Poland (the first set of the 'Tournado' show and encores) [ 1.0] 62:08 (whole 'Vintage Set') [ 2.0] 11:48 Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal total time = 73:58 > -----Original Message----- > Can someone identify the concert and date for the 'Dream Tales' CD-R? > I think it may be from London, Warsaw or Zabrze 1997? > Thanks, > Vic From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: Flyer from Warsaw Full signed Flyer from Warsaw 31.08.2001 to trade http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Wymiana/wymiana.html Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) Factory belt acoustic wallpaper is a good way to describe some of it, but you really need to give at least the main theme pieces a chance. Especially the Main Theme for the aborted Sierra B5 combat simulator game. (Available on the 'Best of B5' compilation.) It's got a whole lot of OOMPH to it, and even uses sequencers for a short section! I've posted about that one before, but I will say again that it is a masterpiece! Some of the other title themes are really good, as well as some of the mid-show themes, like 'Requiem for The Line' (beautiful, haunting melody). I'm not suggesting you go get all the episodics, but at least pick up 'Best of B5' and see what you've been missing! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > I have and like Franke's Pacific Coast Highway, Klemania and > the London concert, but I just refused starting to buy stuff > like Babylon 5, Perry Rhodan (though I grew up with this) and > all those soundtracks. Factory belt acustic wallpaper.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30259 Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadrea goozer@a... Mon 11/26/2001 3 KB 30269 Re: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [ta M M Tue 11/27/2001 2 KB 30261 Re: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [ta moxica@m... Mon 11/26/2001 3 KB 30263 Re: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [ta Owens, James Mon 11/26/2001 5 KB 30264 Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadrea goozer@a... Mon 11/26/2001 5 KB 30265 Re: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [ta Owens, James Mon 11/26/2001 6 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 6:43 pm Subject: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) 'Requiem for the Line' is a good tune, especially when you hear the original that he...er...*borrowed* from, 'In Julie's Eyes' from the _MIracle Mile_ sdtk, a Froese/Haslinger composition done after he left...:/ --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Factory belt acoustic wallpaper is a good way to describe some of it, but > you really need to give at least the main theme pieces a chance. Especially > the Main Theme for the aborted Sierra B5 combat simulator game. (Available > on the 'Best of B5' compilation.) > It's got a whole lot of OOMPH to it, and even uses sequencers for a short > section! I've posted about that one before, but I will say again that it is > a masterpiece! Some of the other title themes are really good, as well as > some of the mid-show themes, like 'Requiem for The Line' (beautiful, > haunting melody). > > I'm not suggesting you go get all the episodics, but at least pick up 'Best > of B5' and see what you've been missing! > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > > I have and like Franke's Pacific Coast Highway, Klemania and > > the London concert, but I just refused starting to buy stuff > > like Babylon 5, Perry Rhodan (though I grew up with this) and > > all those soundtracks. Factory belt acustic wallpaper.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30269 Re: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [ta M M Tue 11/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Pirated Bootlegs >From: 'Phil White' > >This is the pirating of bootlegs even !! Some are very well done even >down to the printing on the discs themselves ( but check for missing matrix >numbers in most cases ).Also 'genuine' boots tend to sell for around £25 >whereas the copies are usually about £12. >However I have seen a couple where you could clearly see the 'blank' >disc manufacturers name under the label and the stallholder was still trying >to sell them for the full whack! >Some individuals get quite irate when you point this out to them (!) That _is_ interesting. Certainly the boots I see at the fairs are in the £8 to £15 bracket, but I never considered the option of 'pirate' bootlegs. Not that it particularly bothers me now - I tend not to collect bootlegs and will quite happily take CDR copies. However, I can iamgine that pirates of official albums may get some people upset. (Apologies Joe(l) if I've overstepped the moderated boundary - I'll shut up for another few months again, now). NP : Danger in Dream - Entrance : Have you been discussing this one on list and I've missed it, or is this another TD clone that has passed you guys by? Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30262 Re: Pirated Bootlegs Joe Shoults Mon 11/26/2001 2 KB 30271 Re: Pirated Bootlegs toby.braddick@u... Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB From: Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:13 pm Subject: RE: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) >From: 'Owens, James' > >I'm not suggesting you go get all the episodics, but at least pick up 'Best >of B5' and see what you've been missing! I remember before any B5 albums were released, there was discussion on the pros and cons of releasing the music in 'suite' form, or in 'raw' episodic form. The former was advocated by Franke and Sonic Images, while the latter was being proposed by Silva and Ford Thaxton, I think. The argument was that the raw form wouldn't 'flow'... After releasing two suite CD's, SI started releasing the episodic CD's, and, you know, they were right. The suite (and Best of) CD's give you the 'guts' of the music without the filler. There are some really intense sections and cool sequences mixed in there. For the same reason, Perry Rhodan is a good album -- Franke gets a chance to develop some themes without having to cut away when the going gets good. - jim From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Pirated Bootlegs discuss boots and their content all you want; just don't actually trade them on the list. > -----Original Message----- > > to £15 bracket, but I never considered the option of 'pirate' > bootlegs. Not > that it particularly bothers me now - I tend not to collect > bootlegs and > (Apologies Joe(l) if I've overstepped the moderated boundary > - I'll shut up for another few months again, now). From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: RE: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) I agree that these pieces are probably versions of the same composition, but I think it likely that Franke (and Froese perhaps) composed this during the lull between Schmoelling and Haslinger, and Edgar chose to pull it out of the archives for release on Miracle Mile, and Franke released his version as 'Requiem for the Line'. We all know that Edgar believes everything that was composed by any ex-member while they were ostensibly working with the band becomes the intellectual property of TD. Unfortunately, he feels this gives him the right to put whatever compositional credits on it he wants (just look to Ambient Monkeys for confirmation of this fact). To say that he 'borrowed' it from Miracle Mile is unfounded. James > -----Original Message----- > From: goozer@a... [mailto:goozer@a...] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: > Favourite Music other than TD) > > > 'Requiem for the Line' is a good tune, especially when you > hear the original that he...er...*borrowed* from, 'In Julie's > Eyes' from the > _MIracle Mile_ sdtk, a Froese/Haslinger composition done > after he left...:/ > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > Factory belt acoustic wallpaper is a good way to describe > some of it, but > > you really need to give at least the main theme pieces a > chance. Especially > > the Main Theme for the aborted Sierra B5 combat simulator > game. (Available > > on the 'Best of B5' compilation.) > > It's got a whole lot of OOMPH to it, and even uses > sequencers for a short > > section! I've posted about that one before, but I will say > again that it is > > a masterpiece! Some of the other title themes are really > good, as well as > > some of the mid-show themes, like 'Requiem for The Line' (beautiful, > > haunting melody). > > > > I'm not suggesting you go get all the episodics, but at > least pick up 'Best > > of B5' and see what you've been missing! > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > > > I have and like Franke's Pacific Coast Highway, Klemania and > > > the London concert, but I just refused starting to buy stuff > > > like Babylon 5, Perry Rhodan (though I grew up with this) and > > > all those soundtracks. Factory belt acustic wallpaper.... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30264 Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadrea goozer@a... Mon 11/26/2001 5 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) Whatever your feelings of Edgar, it doesn't change the basic fact that, yes, anything composed by anyone in a creative collaboration stays in that collaboration upon its publication if it is published before the departed collaborator uses it. Miracle Mile was released in '89. 'Requiem...' was first heard in '94. Your /belief/ that Chris composed it is as likely as my /belief/ that Edgar/Paul did, and is ultimately beside the point. Upon its publication, it became a protected work owned by the band (actually Private/ BMG, but I digress...) despite your /belief/ of Edgar's 'belief' to the contrary. Like the sequence from 'Turning off the Wheel' ('88) that turned up later on 'Mountain Heights' ('91). And to provide a balance to your criticsm of Edgar's crediting issue, let's talk about 'Vermillion Sands' for a bit, shall we? A live piece from '86 that showed up as a *solo* work claimed by Chris on the 1st KLEM CD. If Edgar was really the bastard that some of you think he is, then he could've sued (or more likely had the publishing company sue) Chris for any of these actions. A little leaven leavens the whole.... goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > I agree that these pieces are probably versions of the same composition, but > I think it likely that Franke (and Froese perhaps) composed this during the > lull between Schmoelling and Haslinger, and Edgar chose to pull it out of > the archives for release on Miracle Mile, and Franke released his version as > 'Requiem for the Line'. We all know that Edgar believes everything that was > composed by any ex-member while they were ostensibly working with the band > becomes the intellectual property of TD. Unfortunately, he feels this gives > him the right to put whatever compositional credits on it he wants (just > look to Ambient Monkeys for confirmation of this fact). > > To say that he 'borrowed' it from Miracle Mile is unfounded. > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: goozer@a... [mailto:goozer@a...] > > 'Requiem for the Line' is a good tune, especially when you > > hear the original that he...er...*borrowed* from, 'In Julie's > > Eyes' from the > > _MIracle Mile_ sdtk, a Froese/Haslinger composition done > > after he left...:/ > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > Factory belt acoustic wallpaper is a good way to describe > > some of it, but > > > you really need to give at least the main theme pieces a > > chance. Especially > > > the Main Theme for the aborted Sierra B5 combat simulator > > game. (Available > > > on the 'Best of B5' compilation.) > > > It's got a whole lot of OOMPH to it, and even uses > > sequencers for a short > > > section! I've posted about that one before, but I will say > > again that it is > > > a masterpiece! Some of the other title themes are really > > good, as well as > > > some of the mid-show themes, like 'Requiem for The Line' (beautiful, > > > haunting melody). > > > > > > I'm not suggesting you go get all the episodics, but at > > least pick up 'Best > > > of B5' and see what you've been missing! > > > > > > James > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > > > > I have and like Franke's Pacific Coast Highway, Klemania and > > > > the London concert, but I just refused starting to buy stuff > > > > like Babylon 5, Perry Rhodan (though I grew up with this) and > > > > all those soundtracks. Factory belt acustic wallpaper.... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 10:42 pm Subject: RE: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) I'm not saying Chris is an innocent in the crediting issue, just offering another side. I consider it more likely that Edgar pulled that track from the archives than it was a new creation from Edgar and Paul. I really didn't mean to bring who owns what copyrights and so forth into the argument. And BTW I don't think that Edgar is a bastard by any means, just that it's a damn shame that he and Chris can't get along (and I'm sure the problem is on both ends, like most quarrels). James > -----Original Message----- > From: goozer@a... [mailto:goozer@a...] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:21 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: > Favourite Music other than TD) > > > Whatever your feelings of Edgar, it doesn't change the basic > fact that, yes, anything composed by anyone in a creative > collaboration stays in that collaboration upon its > publication if it is published before the departed > collaborator uses it. Miracle Mile > was released in '89. 'Requiem...' was first heard in '94. > Your /belief/ that Chris composed it is as likely as my > /belief/ that Edgar/Paul > did, and is ultimately beside the point. Upon its > publication, it became a protected work owned by the band > (actually Private/ > BMG, but I digress...) despite your /belief/ of Edgar's > 'belief' to the contrary. Like the sequence from 'Turning off > the Wheel' ('88) > that turned up later on 'Mountain Heights' ('91). And to > provide a balance to your criticsm of Edgar's crediting > issue, let's talk > about 'Vermillion Sands' for a bit, shall we? A live piece > from '86 that showed up as a *solo* work claimed by Chris on > the 1st KLEM > CD. If Edgar was really the bastard that some of you think he > is, then he could've sued (or more likely had the publishing company > sue) Chris for any of these actions. A little leaven leavens > the whole.... > > goozer > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > I agree that these pieces are probably versions of the same > composition, but > > I think it likely that Franke (and Froese perhaps) composed > this during the > > lull between Schmoelling and Haslinger, and Edgar chose to > pull it out of > > the archives for release on Miracle Mile, and Franke > released his version as > > 'Requiem for the Line'. We all know that Edgar believes > everything that was > > composed by any ex-member while they were ostensibly > working with the band > > becomes the intellectual property of TD. Unfortunately, he > feels this gives > > him the right to put whatever compositional credits on it > he wants (just > > look to Ambient Monkeys for confirmation of this fact). > > > > To say that he 'borrowed' it from Miracle Mile is unfounded. > > > > James > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: goozer@a... [mailto:goozer@a...] > > > 'Requiem for the Line' is a good tune, especially when you > > > hear the original that he...er...*borrowed* from, 'In Julie's > > > Eyes' from the > > > _MIracle Mile_ sdtk, a Froese/Haslinger composition done > > > after he left...:/ > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > > Factory belt acoustic wallpaper is a good way to describe > > > some of it, but > > > > you really need to give at least the main theme pieces a > > > chance. Especially > > > > the Main Theme for the aborted Sierra B5 combat simulator > > > game. (Available > > > > on the 'Best of B5' compilation.) > > > > It's got a whole lot of OOMPH to it, and even uses > > > sequencers for a short > > > > section! I've posted about that one before, but I will say > > > again that it is > > > > a masterpiece! Some of the other title themes are really > > > good, as well as > > > > some of the mid-show themes, like 'Requiem for The > Line' (beautiful, > > > > haunting melody). > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting you go get all the episodics, but at > > > least pick up 'Best > > > > of B5' and see what you've been missing! > > > > > > > > James From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:49 am Subject: New e-mail address IMMEDIATELy Hey there all, sorry for the hopefully LAST bulk e-mails, but effective today, my DSL went online and live, so you can now reach me at winniethepoohfan@a... As of FRIDAY, my MSN account goes offline PERMANENTLY, thus all e-mails after that date will bounce back undeliverable. PLEASE use this change effective today, as I will not check the MSN account daily anymore. thanks. Any questions, you know where to find me ;) dan Kayleigh's Playhouse!!! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com Join A COOL NEW Mailing List!!! electric80s-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Contact Me! AOL IM (winnietiggerfan), IcQ (138830117) OR MSN Messenger!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Turn of the Tides I haven't looked at the CD liner notes for a while, but there is a nice dedication to many people (actually takes up one whole page) and also 'VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO All Our Friends and Fans - Wherever You Are We Greet You.' I think this was a very nice jesture. And yes, this album grows on me - I especially like 'Jungle Journey'! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30268 GC, TOB, Zeit Re: [tadream] Re: Turn of the Tides Gustavo Jobim Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:41 am Subject: GC, TOB, Zeit Re: [tadream] Re: Turn of the Tides talking about 'grows on you'... i've had this incredible experience - every now and then I play goblins' club and discover I like some tracks in there, the last time i even posted a message here saying i liked half the album... to my surprise, last time i played it,last saturday, i enjoyed every track in the album! it was really amazing, to know that i actually like it. i even hummed along tracks such as 'at darwin's motel'... and also, i played tyranny of beauty and discovered i find it nice too, the same way i liked it the first time i heard it - i played it a lot when i got it, actually, around 2 years ago. but still, the tracks all sound the same, but I now see it as a 90s Zeit. yes, tyranny is pretty much uniform the same way Zeit is... and the tracks all sound the same, just like in zeit. >I haven't looked at the CD liner notes for a while, but there is a nice dedication to many people (actually takes up one whole >page) and also 'VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO All Our Friends and Fans - Wherever You Are We Greet You.' I think this was a very nice >jesture. And yes, this album grows on me - I especially like 'Jungle Journey'! Vic > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: M M Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 6:26 am Subject: Re: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite Music other than TD) --- goozer@a... wrote: > 'Requiem for the Line' is a good tune, especially > when you hear the original that he...er...*borrowed* > from, 'In Julie's Eyes' from the > _MIracle Mile_ sdtk, a Froese/Haslinger composition > done after he left...:/ Yeah, it's a good theme and even when Franke has remade it for a couple of times, I still prefer the original. Regards, TheInfection __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 6:45 am Subject: TOP 10 Hi on my Homepage I have started the vote for the electronic Music CD Release of the year 2001. Many votes are arrived me. Thank you. under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/TOP10.htm you found the votes, please vote till 10.12.2001 send your list to: heiko@o... Thank your for your help and vote. heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30388 TOP 10 NEUMANN.H-J@t... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 34483 TOP 10 PERGAMON Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34494 Re: TOP 10 PERGAMON Tue 6/25/2002 3 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:18 am Subject: Re: Pirated Bootlegs The guy who sells 'boots' at fairs in my area has been selling CDR's at £16/26/36/48 depending on the number of discs in the set. If I see him again, I think I'll point out to him that he's taking the pi**. Mind you, now I've got in touch with people (fans who actually love the music) who trade fair and square, I don't need his help anymore. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Craig Cordrey' wrote: > >From: 'Phil White' > > > >This is the pirating of bootlegs even !! Some are very well done even > >down to the printing on the discs themselves ( but check for missing matrix > >numbers in most cases ).Also 'genuine' boots tend to sell for around £25 > >whereas the copies are usually about £12. > >However I have seen a couple where you could clearly see the 'blank' > >disc manufacturers name under the label and the stallholder was still > trying > >to sell them for the full whack! > >Some individuals get quite irate when you point this out to them (!) > > That _is_ interesting. Certainly the boots I see at the fairs are in the £8 > to £15 bracket, but I never considered the option of 'pirate' bootlegs. Not > that it particularly bothers me now - I tend not to collect bootlegs and > will quite happily take CDR copies. However, I can iamgine that pirates of > official albums may get some people upset. > > (Apologies Joe(l) if I've overstepped the moderated boundary - I'll shut up > for another few months again, now). > > NP : Danger in Dream - Entrance : Have you been discussing this one on list > and I've missed it, or is this another TD clone that has passed you guys by? > > Craig Cordrey > craig.cordrey@b... From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: Re:Bootlegs I went to a record fair in Cardiff around 3 weeks ago,and they were trying to get rid of the Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 gig on double CD for Thirty two pounds,What an absolute Rip off.I purchased a triple CDR of this concert from a reliable source for a mere £10,and it was of excellent quality.The guys that ply their trade at these fairs must be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy them. Best regards CJ. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30273 Re: Bootlegs Rubyconist Tue 11/27/2001 2 KB 30274 Bootlegs Colin Jouxson Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB 30276 Bootlegs toby.braddick@u... Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB 30414 Re: Bootlegs chris towers Wed 12/5/2001 4 KB From: Rubyconist Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs --- Colin Jouxson wrote: > I went to a record fair in Cardiff around 3 weeks > ago,and they were > trying to get rid of the Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 gig > on double CD for > Thirty two pounds,What an absolute Rip off.I > purchased a triple CDR of > this concert from a reliable source for a mere > £10,and it was of > excellent quality.The guys that ply their trade at > these fairs must > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy > them. > Best regards CJ. I don't care how much something cost if it's worth it. Mostly it isn't but hey, I just love this music too much. And I don't think that mere 16-20 bucks is a hard price. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30274 Bootlegs Colin Jouxson Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB 30276 Bootlegs toby.braddick@u... Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB 30414 Re: Bootlegs chris towers Wed 12/5/2001 4 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: Re:Bootlegs I Certainly know what its like to spend cash on this band,around 160 cds will show that,but £32 pounds for a double CDR is complete bol***ks.If somebody has the money and can afford it,well all well and good,but we are not all lucky enough to be on a brain surgeons salary,i was just merely ponting out the rip off merchants out there i think the ordinary working class man would find it very difficult to keep up with those prices, lets come back to te real world. Have a nice day Best regards CJ--- In tadream@y..., Rubyconist wrote: > > --- Colin Jouxson wrote: > > I went to a record fair in Cardiff around 3 weeks > > ago,and they were > > trying to get rid of the Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 gig > > on double CD for > > Thirty two pounds,What an absolute Rip off.I > > purchased a triple CDR of > > this concert from a reliable source for a mere > > £10,and it was of > > excellent quality.The guys that ply their trade at > > these fairs must > > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy > > them. > > Best regards CJ. > > I don't care how much something cost if it's worth it. > Mostly it isn't but hey, I just love this music too > much. And I don't think that mere 16-20 bucks is a > hard price. > > Regards, > TheInfection > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30276 Bootlegs toby.braddick@u... Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB 30414 Re: Bootlegs chris towers Wed 12/5/2001 4 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:31 pm Subject: CD Box for sale Hi all, I have a sealed 7 CD - Box for sale: 'The M.I. Collection Vol. 1' Released on Musique Intemporelle 76896403242 (this Set is long out of print) they are include following CD`s: 1. Agitation Free - Fragments 2. Günter Schickert - Somnambul 3. Rolf trostel - Narrow Gate of Life 4. Kistenmacher/Grosskopf - Stadtgarten Live 5. Nik Tyndall - Voices of Asia 6. Bernd Kistenmacher - Starting again 7. Katalog CD-Rom of M.I. Records all Cd`s have also an CD-Rom Track. Please make your offers to: heiko@o... Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) Insurance City AG - Hier Klicken - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?91424C1872486450 D2 Vodafone CallYa - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re:Bootlegs For someone who isn't a member of a trading group and has no CD burner to enable them to trade, buying is the only option if you want to get access to any band's unofficial recordings. So, I suppose vendors will sell at whatever price punters will pay. I've been asked £26 for a Zeppelin double CD (original silvers, so possibly reasonable) and £48 for a quad CDR set (rip off and I told him to forget it). But I think Colin's quote of £32 for a double CDR is way OTT. Has anyone seen worse ? Because so much of TD's live performances were improvised in the early years, each show is unique, hence the fascination with collecting and listening to their shows. There simply is noone else like them in this respect. Keep on Dreaming Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > I Certainly know what its like to spend cash on this band,around 160 > cds will show that,but £32 pounds for a double CDR is complete > bol***ks.ouble CD for > Best regards CJ. > > > > I don't care how much something cost if it's worth it. > > Mostly it isn't but hey, I just love this music too > > much. And I don't think that mere 16-20 bucks is a > > hard price. > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just > $8.95/month. > > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:36 am Subject: RE: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: Favou rite Music other than TD) I've only read references to them not 'getting along' here on the list. I'm curious; what evidence is there to support the idea that they didn't/don't get along? > -----Original Message----- > damn shame that he and Chris can't get along (and I'm sure > the problem is on both ends, like most quarrels). From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beauty uniformity In a message dated 11/26/01 10:41:59 PM, gustavojobim@n... writes: >and also, i played tyranny of beauty and discovered i find it nice too, >the same way i liked it the first time i heard it - i played it a lot when >i got it, actually, around 2 years ago. but still, the tracks all sound >the same, but I now see it as a 90s Zeit. yes, tyranny is pretty much uniform >the same way Zeit is... and the tracks all sound the same, just like in >zeit. Hmm, I'd have to disagree there. 'Catwalk' and 'Bride in Cold Tears' may sound similar to each other, and 'Stratosfear 1995' and the title track may sound similar to each other, but I would definitely not say that the former two and the latter two sound similar to each other. The first are more dance-like, the second more rock-like. That's how I hear it at least. --Daniel NP: Gamma Ray--No World Order Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30284 Re: Tyranny of Beauty uniformity Gustavo Jobim Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:41 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs that's the kind of theft that really hurts the artist, and the distinction between what artists like Edgar regard as harmless fan trading versus harmful piracy activity. Makes me want to sit at one of their display tables, handing out slips of paper telling their prospective customers that they shouldn't be paying for boots, but getting them free through a fan community. > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Jouxson [mailto:convention24@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:41 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs > > > I went to a record fair in Cardiff around 3 weeks ago,and they were > trying to get rid of the Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 gig on double CD for > Thirty two pounds,What an absolute Rip off.I purchased a triple CDR of > this concert from a reliable source for a mere £10,and it was of > excellent quality.The guys that ply their trade at these fairs must > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy them. > Best regards CJ. > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30289 Re: Bootlegs Rubyconist Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30292 Bootlegs webmaster@j... Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30305 Bootlegs mikael.jussila@p... Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB 30315 Re: Bootlegs Rubyconist Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: mixed dreams Please help me to find out original dreams for the following mixed ones: Jungle Jacula Digital Sister Pixel Pirates Culpa Levis TimeSquare Prime Time The Blue Spears Thanks, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30281 Re: mixed dreams Michael Jean Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB 30283 Re: mixed dreams moxica@m... Tue 11/27/2001 2 KB 30285 Re: mixed dreams quarlie@a... Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mixed dreams I think they are new tracks, rather than remixes.... But I am sure other can find some similarities between other tracks. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> oberic01@y... 11/27/01 12:12PM >>> Please help me to find out original dreams for the following mixed ones: Jungle Jacula Digital Sister Pixel Pirates Culpa Levis TimeSquare Prime Time The Blue Spears Thanks, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1125 >From: toby.braddick@u... >Subject: Re: Pirated Bootlegs > >The guy who sells 'boots' at fairs in my area has been selling CDR's >at £16/26/36/48 depending on the number of discs in the set. If I see >him again, I think I'll point out to him that he's taking the pi**. >Mind you, now I've got in touch with people (fans who actually love >the music) who trade fair and square, I don't need his help anymore. £16 for a CDR?!?!?!?!?! Where does he get them? Ebay?!?!?! Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... From: Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] mixed dreams >Please help me to find out original dreams for the >following mixed ones: >Jungle Jacula >Digital Sister >Pixel Pirates >Culpa Levis >TimeSquare >Prime Time >The Blue Spears I think that all of these Are original numbers. -jim From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tyranny of Beauty uniformity The point is, the whole album has an overall uniform atmosphere, with similar (or same) sounds being used in every track... maybe if I hear each track separately and compare them, I'll notice more differences, but the album isn't as varied as, for example, Tangram, or Stratosfear, with all those different moments and styles. >Hmm, I'd have to disagree there. 'Catwalk' and 'Bride in Cold Tears' may >sound similar to each other, and 'Stratosfear 1995' and the title track may >sound similar to each other, but I would definitely not say that the former >two and the latter two sound similar to each other. The first are more >dance-like, the second more rock-like. That's how I hear it at least. >>and also, i played tyranny of beauty and discovered i find it nice too, >>the same way i liked it the first time i heard it - i played it a lot when >>i got it, actually, around 2 years ago. but still, the tracks all sound >>the same, but I now see it as a 90s Zeit. yes, tyranny is pretty much uniform >>the same way Zeit is... and the tracks all sound the same, just like in >>zeit. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] mixed dreams In a message dated 11/27/01 12:21:18 PM, mjean@B... writes: >I think they are new tracks, rather than remixes.... But I am sure other >can find some similarities between other tracks. I hear some resemblance between 'TimeSquare' and 'Chia Maroon' from Oasis, but I don't know if I'd call it a genuine remix. --Daniel NP: Delerium--Karma From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:00 am Subject: Universal Soldier II One of our TV channels showed 'Universal Soldier II' last night and I was interested to find out whether Chris Franke had written the score for it. The credits suggested that the task had been undertaken by a group of about four -- none of whom I recognised -- and I'm wondering if anyone on the list knows why? I've never seen the original 'Universal Soldier', but I assume that the film I watched -- which I must admit I enjoyed -- was the sequel to it and with CF's score for the original movie (which I have on CD) being absolutely first class, it's difficult to understand why he wouldn't have been the automatic choice for the follow-up. Maybe he was busy with 'Babylon 5' or whatever at the time -- or was that earlier? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30287 Re: Universal Soldier II PERGAMON Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB 30288 Re: Universal Soldier II John Marchington Wed 11/28/2001 4 KB 30290 Re: Universal Soldier II PERGAMON Wed 11/28/2001 6 KB 30296 Re: Universal Soldier II Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30312 Re: Universal Soldier II John Marchington Thu 11/29/2001 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II Hi As far as I know, the music for 'Universal Soldier: The return', was made by a Don Davis. This is what it says on the cover. The movie and the musicscore is IMO not very good compared to the first 'Universal Soldier'. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > One of our TV channels showed 'Universal Soldier II' last night and I was interested to find out whether Chris Franke had written the score for it. The credits suggested that the task had been undertaken by a group of about four -- none of whom I recognised -- and I'm wondering if anyone on the list knows why? I've never seen the original 'Universal Soldier', but I assume that the film I watched -- which I must admit I enjoyed -- was the sequel to it and with CF's score for the original movie (which I have on CD) being absolutely first class, it's difficult to understand why he wouldn't have been the automatic choice for the follow-up. Maybe he was busy with 'Babylon 5' or whatever at the time -- or was that earlier? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II Hi Jan. Thanks for that. I must admit the credits shot by pretty quickly so I didn't really have a chance to see the composers' name(s) clearly. I thought I noticed more than one, though but all I really remember was not seeing CF's name mentioned. As I said, I haven't seen the original movie so cannot comment about the merits of the two. I did think the score for the second one was 'bitsy' without having the structure of CF's although I guess one gets quite a different impression when one simply listens to a CD. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > Hi > > As far as I know, the music for 'Universal Soldier: The return', was made by a Don Davis. This is what it says on the cover. > > The movie and the musicscore is IMO not very good compared to the first 'Universal Soldier'. > > Regards > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'John Marchington' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:00 AM > Subject: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > > > > One of our TV channels showed 'Universal Soldier II' last night and I was interested to find out whether Chris Franke had written the score for it. The credits suggested that the task had been undertaken by a group of about four -- none of whom I recognised -- and I'm wondering if anyone on the list knows why? I've never seen the original 'Universal Soldier', but I assume that the film I watched -- which I must admit I enjoyed -- was the sequel to it and with CF's score for the original movie (which I have on CD) being absolutely first class, it's difficult to understand why he wouldn't have been the automatic choice for the follow-up. Maybe he was busy with 'Babylon 5' or whatever at the time -- or was that earlier? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Rubyconist Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:58 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs Why isn't 16 bucks too much for me? Reason is very clear for me, as I live in Finland. Here new cd's has a price tag of 120 marks, which is about 20 dollars. Piracy is a bad thing, but isn't bootlegs already legal, copy them to others or not? (Maybe a stupid question, but there you go...) Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30292 Bootlegs webmaster@j... Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30305 Bootlegs mikael.jussila@p... Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB 30315 Re: Bootlegs Rubyconist Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II Hi John I agree with you on getting a different impression when listening to a CD. This was for me the case with Vangelis and his musicscore for Bounty. I heard a few of the tracks before seeing the movie and it was two different impressions. But I quess that happens when you get pictures to the music. As far as the first 'Universal Soldier' I can only recommend it. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > Hi Jan. Thanks for that. I must admit the credits shot by pretty quickly so > I didn't really have a chance to see the composers' name(s) clearly. I > thought I noticed more than one, though but all I really remember was not > seeing CF's name mentioned. As I said, I haven't seen the original movie so > cannot comment about the merits of the two. I did think the score for the > second one was 'bitsy' without having the structure of CF's although I guess > one gets quite a different impression when one simply listens to a CD. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'PERGAMON' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > > > > Hi > > > > As far as I know, the music for 'Universal Soldier: The return', was > made by a Don Davis. This is what it says on the cover. > > > > The movie and the musicscore is IMO not very good compared to the > first 'Universal Soldier'. > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'John Marchington' > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:00 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > > > > > > > One of our TV channels showed 'Universal Soldier II' last night and I > was interested to find out whether Chris Franke had written the score for > it. The credits suggested that the task had been undertaken by a group of > about four -- none of whom I recognised -- and I'm wondering if anyone on > the list knows why? I've never seen the original 'Universal Soldier', but I > assume that the film I watched -- which I must admit I enjoyed -- was the > sequel to it and with CF's score for the original movie (which I have on CD) > being absolutely first class, it's difficult to understand why he wouldn't > have been the automatic choice for the follow-up. Maybe he was busy with > 'Babylon 5' or whatever at the time -- or was that earlier? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 7:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs > Because so much of TD's live performances were improvised in the early > years, each show is unique, hence the fascination with collecting and > listening to their shows. There simply is noone else like them in this > respect. This is the most fascinating thing about collecting unreleased live shows from Tangerine Dream, I can't think of any other band who made such unique & improvised live music in the 70s. Collecting these concerts is like having another Tangerine Dream :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30293 Bootlegs webmaster@j... Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30295 Bootlegs toby.braddick@u... Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:09 am Subject: Re:Bootlegs Hi Infection (?) Bootlegging is in every case illegal! If one sells copies of offical releases or of unreleased stuff. Nevertheless many artist tolerate fan trade, which I also appreciate! Best wishes, Andreas --- In tadream@y..., Rubyconist wrote: > Why isn't 16 bucks too much for me? Reason is very > clear for me, as I live in Finland. Here new cd's has > a price tag of 120 marks, which is about 20 dollars. > > Piracy is a bad thing, but isn't bootlegs already > legal, copy them to others or not? (Maybe a stupid > question, but there you go...) > > Regards, > TheInfection From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Re:Bootlegs Hallo Heiko, there is another band which made such unique & improvised live music during their existance: Grateful Dead! They are the most bootlegged band! nevertheless they did a totally different style of music, by the way. Andreas > This is the most fascinating thing about collecting unreleased live shows from Tangerine Dream, I can't think of any other band > who made such unique & improvised live music in the 70s. Collecting these concerts is like having another Tangerine Dream :-) > > Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30295 Bootlegs toby.braddick@u... Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs > > there is another band which made such unique & improvised live > music during their existance: Grateful Dead! ~lol~ When people surf onto my TD page and ask for a CDR trade, in 9 out of 10 cases it's always 'Hey I have some Dead & Phish material to trade!'. Heiko From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re:Bootlegs Andreas, I saw something recently, but I can't remember where it was, that stated Led Zeppelin were officially the most bootlegged band with well over 300 illegally released albums. That is, where a company has produced batches of original silver discs. I suspect that the majority of TD recordings in issue have come from fans' original tapes being copied to CDR for personal use, then subsequently traded. I'm totally against anyone making copies for their own cash profit, whether companies or individuals. I can further understand why Edgar has indicated that he is not interested in reviewing hours and hours of old tapes to make official releases of old material when as an artist, he wants to focus on his current creation. However, I suspect that there would be a market for a small number of key performances if he ever could be persuaded. I'm not a Deadhead myself although I have seen interesting clips on TV, so I can't comment on their improvisation, but I'll stick with TD for improvisation and creativity. The more I get to hear (and someone in the group has been a massive help with this) the more I appreciate the genius of TD (and it's various members) through the years. Toby --- In tadream@y..., webmaster@j... wrote: > Hallo Heiko, > there is another band which made such unique & improvised live > music during their existance: Grateful Dead! They are the most > bootlegged band! nevertheless they did a totally different > style of music, by the way. > Andreas From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Marchington' >t's difficult to understand why he wouldn't have been the automatic choice for >he follow-up Maybe he didnt want to be involved since the movie sucks bigtime. It's so bad it's fun. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: Re:Bootlegs Interesting discussion, but aren't you two referring to different currencies. Seems to me that one is talking GBP and the other USD. /Olle The guys that ply their trade at > these fairs must > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy > them. > Best regards CJ. >>I don't care how much something cost if it's worth it. >>Mostly it isn't but hey, I just love this music too >>much. And I don't think that mere 16-20 bucks is a >>hard price. >>Regards, >>TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30298 Bootlegs Colin Jouxson Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Re:Bootlegs --hello olle I am indeed talking in GBP £32 arrrggghhh its a monstrous rip-off. Best regards CJ- In tadream@y..., olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Interesting discussion, but aren't you two referring to different > currencies. Seems to me that one is talking GBP and the other USD. > > /Olle > > The guys that ply their trade at > > these fairs must > > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy > > them. > > Best regards CJ. > > >>I don't care how much something cost if it's worth it. > >>Mostly it isn't but hey, I just love this music too > >>much. And I don't think that mere 16-20 bucks is a > >>hard price. > > >>Regards, > >>TheInfection From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:43 pm Subject: Chris/ Edgar Any of a number of interviews with Edgar where he is obviously upset about the fact that Chris flashes the 'Ex-TD' card and claims to have been doing the bulk of the music writing after Johannes left, while Edgar took care of the business end. According to Edgar they were only associates, never friends, and only had a non-business meal together one time in 18 years. I don't really believe that. It sounds more like 'sour grapes' to me... Interviews with Chris say he left the band because of hectic schedule and all the endless soundtracks, but later changes his story to: he felt like their musical collaboration had gone as far as it could go, and Edgar wanted to go one way (musically) and he another. Edgar replies in other interviews that he was taking on all the soundtrack work to help Chris with some financial problems... Anyway, as you can see the story is much like something from 'General Hospital'... Guess that means there's no reunion concert in the works... On the other hand, Chris and Paul must have parted on fairly good terms, since Chris provides orchestration for 'Planetary Traveller'. Also Chris and Edgar must both still get along okay with Peter Baumann, since they both signed with Private (seperately). James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:37 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: Babylon 5 (was:RE: Haslinger solo etc Re: [tadream] Re: > Favourite Music other than TD) > > > I've only read references to them not 'getting along' here on > the list. I'm > curious; what evidence is there to support the idea that they > didn't/don't > get along? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > damn shame that he and Chris can't get along (and I'm sure > > the problem is on both ends, like most quarrels). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30302 Re: Chris/ Edgar toby.braddick@u... Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30308 Re: Chris/ Edgar John Vertical Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30316 Re: Chris/ Edgar Rubyconist Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB 30317 Re: Chris/ Edgar webmaster@j... Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 3:21 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs you might be surprised at Bruce Hornsby's comments in the recent issue of Relix magazine about the Dead's spontaneity/improvision. Sure, they would noodle around a lot and improvise during 'Space' segments, but the setlists were always preplanned, contrary to popular opinion that they mainly 'winged it'. Also, they would rehearse a song a certain way, then play the song that way for a year or so without varying that version much. At least that's what he said. > -----Original Message----- > > there is another band which made such unique & improvised live > > music during their existance: Grateful Dead! > > ~lol~ When people surf onto my TD page and ask for a CDR > trade, in 9 out of 10 cases it's always 'Hey I have some Dead & Phish > material to trade!'. > > Heiko > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: TD will go on!!! Proof that TD will still be around in 36 years: from Ticketmaster: TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 1/1/38 Variety Playhouse Currently 8:00PM Atlanta, GA Not On Sale I can see the tag-line: Tangerine Dream will be returning to the States for their 17th North American tour. Front-man Jerome Froese (68) and sons Peter, Paul, Johannes and Christoph (all named for former TD members) will dazzle audiences with their liquid sonic landscapes. The Froese's will be using custom-designed 'Sound Mind' tone generators, which translate musical thoughts directly into sound. Also on-stage will be the usual array of ambience amplifiers, which trigger sequences and effects based on random electrostatic discharges in the UHF band and variances in cosmic radiation. And, as a special treat for fans of 'classic' TD, the band will actually play a few old-style keyboard-controlled synths for some vintage pieces like 'Meng Tian' and 'Prime Time'. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30303 Re: TD will go on!!! toby.braddick@u... Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB 30304 Re: TD will go on!!! Owens, James Wed 11/28/2001 3 KB 30309 Re: TD will go on!!! PENFOLD Wed 11/28/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Chris/ Edgar Whatever the cause, it's always a pity when people appear to be bitter about former colleagues or partners. Franke/ Froese worked together for a heck of a time and produced so much great music, so I can't believe that they never got on. It's hard to believe that through the various tours, they only just tollerated each other. It does sound more like post-split bitterness - and from my experience, one of the things that feeds the bitterness is the deep seated truth that you miss the partner but won't admit it. Toby > Guess that means there's no reunion concert in the works... > > On the other hand, Chris and Paul must have parted on fairly good terms, > since > Chris provides orchestration for 'Planetary Traveller'. > > Also Chris and Edgar must both still get along okay with Peter Baumann, > since they both signed with Private (seperately). > > James > From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:51 pm Subject: Re: TD will go on!!! James, there are quite a few offspring missing - 2 Klaus's, Conrad et al. Is the stage big enough ? --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Proof that TD will still be around in 36 years: > > from Ticketmaster: > > TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 1/1/38 Variety Playhouse Currently > 8:00PM Atlanta, GA > Not On Sale > > > I can see the tag-line: > Tangerine Dream will be returning to the States for their 17th North > American tour. > Front-man Jerome Froese (68) and sons Peter, Paul, Johannes and Christoph > (all > named for former TD members) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD will go on!!! I got the major ones. If you only count ones that get album credits: Klaus, Steve, Konrad, Peter, Chris, Steve, Klaus, Johannes, Paul, Ralf, Linda, Zlatko, Gerald, Mark, Emil, and Iris (who will undoubtedly get credit on the forthcoming 'Inferno' release). That's 14, even if you don't count Klaus and Steve twice. I don't think Jerome's wife would go for that! > -----Original Message----- > From: toby.braddick@u... [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > > James, there are quite a few offspring missing - 2 Klaus's, Conrad et > al. Is the stage big enough ? > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > Proof that TD will still be around in 36 years: > > > > from Ticketmaster: > > > > TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 1/1/38 Variety Playhouse > Currently > > 8:00PM Atlanta, > GA > > Not On Sale > > > > > > I can see the tag-line: > > Tangerine Dream will be returning to the States for their 17th North > > American tour. > > Front-man Jerome Froese (68) and sons Peter, Paul, Johannes and > Christoph > > (all > > named for former TD members) From: mikael.jussila@p... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:11 am Subject: Re:Bootlegs --- In tadream@y..., Rubyconist wrote: > Piracy is a bad thing, but isn't bootlegs already > legal, copy them to others or not? I assume you mean illegal? ;) I've always thought the main thing with bootlegs is the fact that musicians themselves never see a penny from bootleg sales. And if one gets profit from someone else's work, I think it's wrong. But it's always up to you. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30315 Re: Bootlegs Rubyconist Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Steven' Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:28 am Subject: Skin Maker Hi.! If you want to make your own TD skin for winamp, this site has a useful program, but easy to use http://members.tripod.com/ajie_g/skinner.htm ( you have to register for full functioning); I have made a lot of TD skin from TD covers and pictures , and .........it look's nice ! Steven From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:23 pm Subject: improv/creativity >I'm not a Deadhead myself although I have seen interesting clips on TV, so I can't comment on their improvisation, but I'll stick with TD for improvisation and creativity.< My musical collection has plenty of room for both TD and the Dead. Well not so much room anymore. :) The Dead's musical suites are amazing and the drumming over the top. In fact, it was the drums segment that got me hooked on their live shows. Their space segments had their moments, too. Definitely left a void when it stopped. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Chris/ Edgar >Guess that means there's no reunion concert in the works... > >On the other hand, Chris and Paul must have parted on fairly good terms, >since >Chris provides orchestration for 'Planetary Traveller'. > >Also Chris and Edgar must both still get along okay with Peter Baumann, >since they both signed with Private (seperately). > >James So okay, Edgar and Chris won't get along. But what about the rest? Could cooperation be possible for some other combination of old TD persons + Froeses? Just some pointless speculating... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30316 Re: Chris/ Edgar Rubyconist Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD will go on!!! At 01.11.28 10:42, Owens, James wrote: >Proof that TD will still be around in 36 years: >from Ticketmaster: >TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 1/1/38 Variety Playhouse Currently > 8:00PM Atlanta, GA > >I can see the tag-line: >Tangerine Dream will be returning to the States for their 17th North >American tour. >Front-man Jerome Froese (68) and sons Peter, Paul, Johannes and Christoph >(all named for former TD members) will dazzle audiences with their liquid >sonic >landscapes. LOL! Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs Tuppence worth..... ( or two cents ) If music is made available because for reasons that may make it an non commercial proposition to release live or out-take material by the artistes involved and the fans buy it ( or preferably trade on a non profit basis ) the premise is that the artistes are 'ripped off'. But if the music is not bought the artistes still do not benefit from any financial gain.... Also how many bootleg ( I am not including the piracy of available commercial releases here ) live performances have led fans to purchase legitimate material and even attended concerts ?? If all bootlegged music were wiped from the face of the planet no musician would gain a single penny piece ! I seem to recall in the seventies a campaign that said 'Home taping is killing music' I think not ! Record company fat cats get fatter and the musicians still get the smallest slice of cake..this is where the real difference could and should be made IMO. I would love to have seen some of the early works of TD given a legit release ( without studio tinkering ) with the quality that digital recordings could deliver...and yes I'll go and buy them. Discuss Regards Phil From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Tour coming to Boston? >Can anyone tell me if TD have re-scheduled a show for Boston? >There's no listing at Ticketmaster, but there wasn't one for the >October show, either. TD said they weren't going to play there because it wasn't a big college town. ;-) Actually, how could they NOT play there?!?! It's Boston! Scott From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II You've summed it up admirably, Glenn. It WAS fun -- the sort of thing one watches and enjoys at the time then forgets. It was entertainment and nothing more. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Universal Soldier II > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'John Marchington' > > >t's difficult to understand why he wouldn't have been the automatic choice > for > >he follow-up > > Maybe he didnt want to be involved since the movie sucks bigtime. It's so > bad it's fun. > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 1:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tour coming to Boston? I was getting a bit worried myself when I saw Boynton Beach listed on the Ticketmaster, but not my chosen venue of Jannus Landing. However, on reviewing the Jannus Landing web site, I found Tangerine Dream listed for the 20th of January just like it should be. My suggestion, then, is to look for your venue's web site and see if you can get the information you need there. Perhaps, you can even email them to be sure. 8-) Dell NP: Manchester 76: this is a great concert, synthesizer sounds swirl about each other like a circus merry go round. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Jon Fry' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Tour coming to Boston? >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:18:17 -0000 > >Howdy. > >Can anyone tell me if TD have re-scheduled a show for Boston? >There's no listing at Ticketmaster, but there wasn't one for the >October show, either. > >Thanks! > >Jon > >NP: _Underwater_Sunlight_ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30314 TD at Jannus Landing St. Pete FL Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/29/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:00 am Subject: TD at Jannus Landing St. Pete FL Adele and all who need to know, The correct date for Tangerine Dream to play at Jannus Landing in St. Petersburg FL is FEB 20, 2002. NOT Jan 20,2002. I still have my tickets from the first go around which will be good for the show. Robert >I was getting a bit worried myself when I saw Boynton Beach listed on the >Ticketmaster, but not my chosen venue of Jannus Landing. However, on >reviewing the Jannus Landing web site, I found Tangerine Dream listed for >the 20th of January just like it should be. My suggestion, then, is to look >for your venue's web site and see if you can get the information you need >there. Perhaps, you can even email them to be sure. 8-) Dell From: Rubyconist Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs --- mikael.jussila@p... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Rubyconist > wrote: > > Piracy is a bad thing, but isn't bootlegs already > > legal, copy them to others or not? > > I assume you mean illegal? ;) Of course, sorry. > I've always thought the main thing with bootlegs is > the fact that > musicians themselves never see a penny from bootleg > sales. And if one > gets profit from someone else's work, I think it's > wrong. > But it's always up to you. Yeah, but no one can't stop bootleg-business anyhow, so who cares? Piracy is of course wrong. > *Fornit Some Fornus* > MJUSSILA Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: Rubyconist Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Chris/ Edgar Well, in my opinion they have no relationship no more. I mean if you spend 18 years of your 'youth' touring all the time and living inside a small studio with the same guy, you will get a little bit tired. So I think Chris cutted all contact with Edgar. Why? Perhaps he tought that he would some day go nuts and the relationship between them could be damaged. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:09 am Subject: Re: Chris/ Edgar > Also Chris and Edgar must both still get along okay with Peter Baumann, > since they both signed with Private (seperately). > > James Peter Baumann visited Edgar in Berlin this or last year! I met Jerome Froese the day they had breakfast together: Peter, Edgar & Jerome. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 3:37 pm Subject: Ex-TD collaborations Well, as I mentioned there has already been a moderate amount of that: Planetary Traveller (and possibly Infinity's Child - anybody know?) are by Paul Haslinger, with orchestration and 'additional composition' by Chris Franke. Since Paul and Chris are both in L.A., it seems likely there will be other collaborations. I'd like to see a purely studio, 50/50 collaboration between the two. Maybe we'd get more music in the 'underwater Sunlight' vein. Peter Baumann, Paul Haslinger, and another guy whose name I don't have off the top of my head, recorded 'Blue Room' for Baumann's Private Music, but for some reason it was never released. The third man is a vocalist and most of the tracks (as I recall) are vocals. Nevertheless, the music is quite excellent. Klaus Krieger (who played drums on 'Force Majeur' and 'Cyclone') was slated to play drums for at least some of the 1992 North American tour shows. Something happened at the last minute, and TD toured without a drummer (except Jerome, who only drummed on 'Purple Haze'). There was a comment by Jerome during an interview where he mentioned the look he got from Johannes Schmoelling when he mentioned working together again. Evidently Jerome found the look amusing, so it's hard to tell if he was just kidding with Johannes to get a reaction, or if there was some talk of actually doing something together. It could also have simply been a reference to the plan at some time in the past for TDI to release some of Schmoelling's solo work. The thought of Froese/Froese/Schmoelling is interesting enough to get my attention, though. I'd like to see a Baumann/Haslinger/Franke line-up do some EM together. They're all in L.A. last I heard, and Paul has worked with both Peter and Chris, so it should be remotely feasible. Another possibility might be Michael Hoenig (who toured with TD in 75 in place of PB). I think he is in LA as well, doing soundtrack work for Hollywood and for computer games (Baldur's Gate, for instance). Any combination of those 4 would be good. James > -----Original Message----- > So okay, Edgar and Chris won't get along. But what about the > rest? Could > cooperation be possible for some other combination of old TD > persons + > Froeses? > John Vertical From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:57 am Subject: thoughts on Inferno Hi everyone, so I heard Inferno, and it was quite interesting for me. I'm certainly going to buy the official release whenever it's available. From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:49 pm Subject: Edgar&Christoph Hello all Whatever the reasons be that EF&CF (MIGHT) not see eye to eye this last decade,i will never forget the (out of this world) musical collaboration these guys once had,whether it be with Shroeder,Baumann,Hoenig(all to briefly)Joliffe(second time around) Schomelling,Haslinger,this was one hell of a talented team. The thought of a re_union tour seems distant now,but if it happened, i can see the TD diehards in a cue from Lands end to John o groats,the thought of it is absolutely mouthwatering.EF,JF,PB,JS,PH, and whoever else on stage together,the sort of thing YES did on the Union tour. Oh yes please,put us out of our misery. Best regards CJ np: Rubycon Untouchable Class. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30417 Re: Edgar&Christoph chris towers Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB From: jeb nob Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: TD ticket giveaway Hi everyone, musictoday.com is hosting a drawing for a free pair of tickets to see Tangerine Dream when they play B.B. King's Blues Club in NYC on Feb. 1. the link is: http://www.musictoday.com/interact/contest/ticket_giveaway.asp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30326 Re: TD ticket giveaway michaeljean@e... Thu 11/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Re: Boots >For someone who isn't a member of a trading group and has no CD burner >to enable them to trade, buying is the only option if you want to get What about cassette tape? I had a mountain of tapes long before I got my burner. >access to any band's unofficial recordings. So, I suppose vendors will >sell at whatever price punters will pay. I've been asked £26 for a >Zeppelin double CD (original silvers, so possibly reasonable) and £48 >for a quad CDR set (rip off and I told him to forget it). But I think >Colin's quote of £32 for a double CDR is way OTT. Has anyone seen >worse ? I saw a single-LP vinyl boot of TD from the '77 tour for US$25, and that was in 1986. Scott From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: Re: Bootlegs >I seem to recall in the seventies a campaign that said >'Home taping is killing music' I think not ! Actually, the quote was '... the music business.' That means that if people taped albums from and for other people, the record companies would lose money. I recall an album by either Lard or Dead Kennedys that said on the back 'Home taping is killing the music business - keep up the good work!' As a fan, I'd much rather my money went in Ed's pocket than in the pockets of the suits at Virgin, Miramar, Castle, etc. I don't know where I'm going with this argument, so I'll just leave it there. Scott NP: moe. 11/2/01 From: David Hughes Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:26 pm Subject: RE : Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 gig discs Hello, > I went to a record fair in Cardiff around 3 weeks ago,and they were > trying to get rid of the Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 gig on double CD for > Thirty two pounds,What an absolute Rip off.I purchased a triple CDR of > this concert from a reliable source for a mere £10,and it was of > excellent quality.The guys that ply their trade at these fairs must > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to buy them. > Best regards CJ. Could anyone suggest how I could get a copy of this set? My usual source has dried up. Thanks David Hughes -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: FW: Tangerine Dream Ticket Giveaway! FYI: -----Original Message----- From: John Gulino [mailto:JohnG@m...] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:01 PM To: 'tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Tangerine Dream Ticket Giveaway! Dearest webmaster, I wanted to let you and your viewers know that Musictoday.com is giving away a pair of tickets to see Tangerine Dream at B.B. King's Blues Club in New York for their show on February 1, 2002. The link is http://www.musictoday.com/interact/contest/ticket_giveaway.asp Good luck! John Gulino Marketing Director Musictoday (804) 244-7238 johng@m... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD ticket giveaway Thanks for the tip! MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: jeb nob gulinoj@y... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:10:44 -0800 (PST) To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] TD ticket giveaway Hi everyone, musictoday.com is hosting a drawing for a free pair of tickets to see Tangerine Dream when they play B.B. King's Blues Club in NYC on Feb. 1. the link is: http://www.musictoday.com/interact/contest/ticket_giveaway.asp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tour coming to Boston? not all dates/venues are confirmed. notice the gaps between dates. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott [mailto:splumer@w...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:12 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tour coming to Boston? > > > >Can anyone tell me if TD have re-scheduled a show for Boston? > >There's no listing at Ticketmaster, but there wasn't one for the > >October show, either. > > TD said they weren't going to play there because it wasn't a > big college > town. ;-) > > Actually, how could they NOT play there?!?! It's Boston! > > Scott > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:15 am Subject: Re Tour in Boston Area They are giving a free show at the Mohegan Sun casino last I heard, but then, I just checked out http://www.mohegansun.com/entertainment/wolf-den/content.html and didn't find it listed. Steven Feldman From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:56 am Subject: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? I hadn't heard Michael's name mentioned in years, but perhaps I haven't been looking hard enough. I have 'Departures From The Northern Wasteland' on LP and think it's brilliant. 1. Has it been released on CD ? 2. Has he released any other CD's ? Although I work in London near some of the biggest music stores in the UK, there is very little EM on the racks other than TD. Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30334 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Paul Lawler Fri 11/30/2001 2 KB 30340 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Craig Cordrey Fri 11/30/2001 2 KB 30341 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Synthhtnys@a... Fri 11/30/2001 3 KB 30342 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Owens, James Fri 11/30/2001 2 KB 30343 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? ohmss761@c... Sat 12/1/2001 2 KB 30344 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? DAVKAUFMAN@a... Sat 12/1/2001 2 KB 30346 Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? vic rek Sat 12/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD A bit late on this thread I'm afraid but here goes: EM: Kraftwerk J M Jarre Under The Dome Others: Mike Oldfield Jethro Tull Yes Rick Wakeman The Nice King Crimson ELP Camel Gryphon Led Zeppelin Barclay James Harvest CSNY Some that may just surprise you: Pentangle Amazing Blondel Steeleye Span Fairport Convention Sandy Denny Joni Mitchell Richard Thompson I was a folkie long before I discovered TD and EM. Still love some of the music. Okay, so I'm a sad old hippie! Cheers, Steve in Nottingham UK - -- What do you call a Skoda dealer? A scrap merchant. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30331 Re: Favourite Music other than TD toby.braddick@u... Fri 11/30/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re: Favourite Music other than TD Steve, you're not alone - I like Fairport, Steeleye and Lindisfarne as well as the British prog bands you mention. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Yensen, Stephen' wrote: > A bit late on this thread I'm afraid but here goes: > > EM: > Kraftwerk > J M Jarre > Under The Dome > > Others: > Mike Oldfield > Jethro Tull > Yes > Rick Wakeman > The Nice > King Crimson > ELP > Camel > Gryphon > Led Zeppelin > Barclay James Harvest > CSNY > > Some that may just surprise you: > Pentangle > Amazing Blondel > Steeleye Span > Fairport Convention > Sandy Denny > Joni Mitchell > Richard Thompson > > I was a folkie long before I discovered TD and EM. Still love some of the > music. Okay, so I'm a sad old hippie! > > Cheers, > Steve > in Nottingham UK > - -- > What do you call a Skoda dealer? > A scrap merchant. From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:24 am Subject: K Schulze 'Live' album I have the double LP and have just noticed on a linked site that the CD has a longer version of one track. This is probably my favourite KS album. 1. Does the CD issue sound good ? 2. Is it possible to get it in the UK at a sensible price ? 3. Alternatively, is there a European source ? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help with info. Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30333 Re: K Schulze 'Live' album Heiko Heerssen Fri 11/30/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] K Schulze 'Live' album > I have the double LP and have just noticed on a linked site that the > CD has a longer version of one track. This is probably my favourite KS > album. > > 1. Does the CD issue sound good ? Yup. > 2. Is it possible to get it in the UK at a sensible price ? is there any CD in the UK at all that can be bought at a sensible price? ;-) > 3. Alternatively, is there a European source ? Yes, go to 'Manikin Records', they sell the 2CD for ca. 13 British Pounds plus postage costs (or 40 DM, 20,45 Euro), the URL is 'http://www.manikin.de' Heiko n.p.: Van Der Graaf Generator: The Box From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? I just got a soundtrack CD from Sonic images that has a track by Hoenig from the Dark Skies series.I did`nt realise he scored it .Its a synth/orchestra type of track (like Franke), well written but not for the EM purists among us . Paul From: vic rek Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:29 pm Subject: Strange Days - French Movie 'Voices in the Dunes' lists a movie titled 'Strange Days' that contains TD music. A French production. Cinema Francias. No other information available. Does anyone have additional information, such as title in French, year of release, an actor from the film, etc... anything? Thanks, Vic From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Hoenig / Schulze - thanks for the info A big thanks to the many people in this group who have responded off line. All being well I should be able to get hold of some recordings that I think very highly of and wasn't even sure existed in CD format until now. Due to this site, I have bought official releases by Td and now arranged some other artists as well. We must be good for the EM business. Cheers Toby From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:01 pm Subject: Hollywood HOB 2/24 on sale DATE 12/3 TANGERINE DREAM Sun, 2/24/02 9:00PM House Of Blues Hollywood, CA On Sale 12/3/01 10:00AM tICKETMASTER _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Hollywood HOB only $15 + service charge _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Inferno Video ??? Hi all, I am searching a Video Tape from the Inferno Event 07.10.2001. Does it exist??? When yes, please contact me offlist. or when you have a source for this Video tape. Thank you. And dont forget your votes for the electronic Music CD Releases 2001, send your TOP 10 list to: heiko@o... heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de (Ashra Fan Hoempage) NEW!!! http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Hi Toby, I picked up Departures from the Northern Wasteland some years ago on CD - not sure if its still around or not. Also have his collaboration with Manuel Gottsching, Early Water, which is probably better that DftNW, IMO. I believe Xcerpt One is pretty hard to find on CD (was it ever released?) and the only other Hoenig stuff I've heard of is the soundtrack for The Blob. Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Hi Toby, I picked up Departures from the Northern Wasteland some years ago on CD - not sure if its still around or not. Also have his collaboration with Manuel Gottsching, Early Water, which is probably better that DftNW, IMO. I believe Xcerpt One is pretty hard to find on CD (was it ever released?) and the only other Hoenig stuff I've heard of is the soundtrack for The Blob. Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... *Well, I have to disagree that DFTNW is not as good as Early Water (Yes, I saw the 'IMO') Departure is a well thought out composed and performed piece of music where Early Water is (and this is admitted in the liner notes) just a rehearsal they happened to tape before a series of shows that never happened. It's a 'noodling' CD where they set up a sequence that doesn't really change for what? 50 minutes or so? and just noodle along with it.... I like the CD mind you I'm a huge Hoenig fan...but I just can't put it in the same league as Departure. I have a bootleg of Hoenig playing Departure live which is an amazing testament to the compositional solidity of Departure. It is clear that he's playing it all live, not against backing tapes. The themes are all there... in some cases embellished but still solidly there. The later work such as X-Cept one etc. are OK, but would appeal to more of a Phillip Glass fan... the sounds are harsher, more digital and has a somewhat frantic playing style.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? On the Hoenig news front - Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga is in stores now. This is basically a re-package of the first game and the 'Tales of the Sword Coast' expansion pack, but it also includes the complete Michael Hoenig soundtrack on CD. Of course this is modern Hoenig soundtrack work (similar to Chris Franke's heavily orchestral stuff as someone mentioned) and is quite a departure from Departure... If you like RPG games, I highly recommend Baldur's Gate, and if you buy the 'Original Saga' pack you get a Michael Hoenig CD for free, so you've got nothing to loose! James From: ohmss761@c... Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Just wanted to chime in that Hoenig has worked somewhat extensively in the film genre, contributing short additional cues to Glass' masterpiece Koyannisqatsi, Max Headroom, collaborating with J.Peter Robinson on some minor horror films in the 80's, and of course the only released score of this period, The Blob, which is a HIGHLY valued and impossible to find Cinetrax CD. While the film is great, the score is nothing special, barely holding interest for score fanatics like myself, and not being anything of interest to you EM crowd ;-) Good luck trying to find it if you must though! NP: Nightlife(PS Boys) Best, Sean aka STILL Green Armed Tina :-9 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 1:17 pm Subject: Re: Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? There's another Michael Hoenig item worth noting. He contributed a track called 'The Vertical Rotating Horizon' to a various-artists 2CD called 'Infinite Horizons'. This piece would also appeal to a Philip Glass fan IMO. The 2CD itself can be ordered from synthmusicdirect.com in England as well as from www.hmnetwork.com in the US. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. From: pw098@a... Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: Xcept One Hi Craig, Xcept One was released on CD. Its on the Capitol Records' defunct Cinema label and its cat. number is CDP 7 46919 2. I thought the label was a great idea. All progressive rock groups but unfortunately the label died shortly after it came to being. The also had CD's by Patrick Moraz, Pete Bardens, Amin Bhatia. They also advertised a Tony Kaye album that I don't believe ever saw the like of day. -Bob Fitz > Hi Toby, > > I picked up Departures from the Northern Wasteland some years ago on CD - > not sure if its still around or not. Also have his collaboration with Manuel > Gottsching, Early Water, which is probably better that DftNW, IMO. I believe > Xcerpt One is pretty hard to find on CD (was it ever released?) and the only > other Hoenig stuff I've heard of is the soundtrack for The Blob. > > Craig Cordrey > craig.cordrey@b... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30361 Re: Xcept One Michael A Jean Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig - any news on him ? Some other Michael Hoenig contributions that are available on CD: The Air Up There The Hot Spot New Nightmare Nightmare Cafe 9 1/2 Weeks Revenge Morton Subotnick - Silver Apples of the Moon Morton Subotnick - The Key to Sings; Return The Wraith (credits but no Hoenig music on CD) and many more, but I'm not sure if there are any others on CD. By the way, The Blob CD is on Filmtrax FUSD 103. ohmss761@c... wrote: > Just wanted to chime in that Hoenig has worked somewhat extensively in the > film genre, contributing short additional cues to Glass' masterpiece > Koyannisqatsi, Max Headroom, collaborating with J.Peter Robinson on some > minor horror films in the 80's, and of course the only released score of this > period, The Blob, which is a HIGHLY valued and impossible to find Cinetrax > CD. While the film is great, the score is nothing special, barely holding > interest for score fanatics like myself, and not being anything of interest > to you EM crowd ;-) Good luck trying to find it if you must though! From: vic rek Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Atlanta Show Jan. 24, 2002 The Tangerine Dream info for the Atlanta show is at: http://www.variety-playhouse.com/schedule.html The tickets for the October show will be honored at this show. Interesting to note that the promo picture of TD shows Linda Spa in it (see bottom of web page). There is also a group playere there call Project/Object which is a Zappa cover band with ex-Zappa members. Has anyone seen this group? Vic From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 12:36 am Subject: Franke Pacific Coast Highway Hi everyone, I've found Franke's Klemania and Pacific Coast Highway for nice prices, so I got them. I already had Klemania in CDR for some time, but it's always nicer to have the original. I've almost finished playing Pacific Coast, now playing track 9 of 12, for the first time. At first it sounded nice, but then there was one piano-based track after another and I got kind of bored... Maybe I'll need some time to digest it (well, GC took 2 years!). Anyway, the music for me seems to be usually forgettable. I remember the first time I played JS' Wuivend Riet, when I found it on vinyl for about 2 US dollars... It was so great, such an amazing collection of songs: Zeit, Matjora is Still Alive, Kneeplay No.9, W.Riet part 2... what a difference. Even Haslinger's Score, which I haven't got used to yet, was at first hear much much better than Pacific Coast; Klemania is much better to me too, even with its few oddities. Anyway, it was nice to know this music, I always like to hear new things, even if after hearing I don't like them. Does anyone here like this one? Just curiosity.. GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30349 Re: Franke Pacific Coast Highway Kevin Robert Ball Sun 12/2/2001 3 KB 30356 Re: Franke Pacific Coast Highway webmaster@j... Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB 30357 Short 'reviews' TheInfection Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB 30360 Re: Short 'reviews' gustavojobim@n... Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB 30370 Re: Short 'reviews' Matthew Stringer Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB 30359 Re: Franke Pacific Coast Highway Dennis Nigbur Mon 12/3/2001 4 KB From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 12:38 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Franke Pacific Coast Highway PCH is just a truly, truly stunning album in my view. I loved it the first time I heard it and still love it now. I'm sure in time Gus you will learn to appreciate this album too. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] Sent: 02 December 2001 00:37 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Franke Pacific Coast Highway Hi everyone, I've found Franke's Klemania and Pacific Coast Highway for nice prices, so I got them. I already had Klemania in CDR for some time, but it's always nicer to have the original. I've almost finished playing Pacific Coast, now playing track 9 of 12, for the first time. At first it sounded nice, but then there was one piano-based track after another and I got kind of bored... Maybe I'll need some time to digest it (well, GC took 2 years!). Anyway, the music for me seems to be usually forgettable. I remember the first time I played JS' Wuivend Riet, when I found it on vinyl for about 2 US dollars... It was so great, such an amazing collection of songs: Zeit, Matjora is Still Alive, Kneeplay No.9, W.Riet part 2... what a difference. Even Haslinger's Score, which I haven't got used to yet, was at first hear much much better than Pacific Coast; Klemania is much better to me too, even with its few oddities. Anyway, it was nice to know this music, I always like to hear new things, even if after hearing I don't like them. Does anyone here like this one? Just curiosity.. GJ From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Keep Can someone point me to a web site that has a complete list of what songs are on the Keep? Or just list them here? Thanks From: tom george Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 8:19 am Subject: Top Five Klaus Schulze Brian & Roger Eno Therion Eloy Harold Budd Martin K with TDI said: The Gathering Ah Martin....you like Anneke Van Giersbergen too? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30354 therion and schmoelling Re: [tadream] Top Five Gustavo Jobim Sun 12/2/2001 2 KB 30364 Re: Top Five TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 4:43 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Keep http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/thekeep.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/keepunofficial.html ---------- >De : 'Admin' >À : >Objet : [tadream] Keep >Date : Dim 2 déc 2001 8:51 > > Can someone point me to a web site that has a complete list of what songs > are on the Keep? > Or just list them here? > > Thanks > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: [tadream] Cover scans wanted Hi all, Despite months of work and scouring the internet, I still haven't managed to find images of the following TD film/video soundtracks for my site (or at least of a satisfactory quality). Please let me know if any kind souls out there would put their VHS boxes in their scanners: € Dead Solid Perfect € Identification of a Woman € Thief (original VHS & original Laserdisc) € The Keep (Laserdisc) € The Man Inside € The Game of Love (VHS) Cheers Paul From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 5:07 pm Subject: therion and schmoelling Re: [tadream] Top Five Therion! A long time ago I heard some of their Deggial album. I quite liked that music... maybe some day I'll buy one of their albums. now playing: White Out, by JS- it's a great album. now playing the track Ice Walk, which has one melody used when he was in TD. Don't remember the name of that TD track. JS is a genius of sounds, his music is unique and very special. Certainly the most musically rich member TD has ever had. playing Schmoelling and studying Pascal programming language (exam is on the 6th)- just stopped quickly to check email. next cd on queue is KS's Royal Festival Hall vol.1. Haven't heard that one in a long time. >Klaus Schulze >Brian & Roger Eno >Therion >Eloy >Harold Budd Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 8:33 pm Subject: Re: therion and schmoelling Re: [tadream] Top Five > Therion! A long time ago I heard some of their Deggial album. I quite liked that music... maybe some day I'll buy one of their albums I recommend Theli or Vovin - much better than Deggial, but these albums are more metal but it still isn't that noisy ;) Greetings Michal Moroz aka Station http://velo.lexx.eu.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: webmaster@j... Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:02 am Subject: Re: Franke Pacific Coast Highway Hi Gustavo, I (!) like Pacific Coast Highway! Well, it's not Chris' best solo work, but imo it's better than most of his newer stuff. I become bored in listening to Babylon 5 part 231 or all his other recent stuff. Sure 'london concert' and 'Klemania' are better than PCH! Andreas Hedler --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've found Franke's Klemania and Pacific Coast Highway for nice prices, so I got them. I already had Klemania in CDR for some time, but it's always nicer to have the original. > > I've almost finished playing Pacific Coast, now playing track 9 of 12, for the first time. At first it sounded nice, but then there was one piano-based track after another and I got kind of bored... Maybe I'll need some time to digest it (well, GC took 2 years!). Anyway, the music for me seems to be usually forgettable. > > I remember the first time I played JS' Wuivend Riet, when I found it on vinyl for about 2 US dollars... It was so great, such an amazing collection of songs: Zeit, Matjora is Still Alive, Kneeplay No.9, W.Riet part 2... what a difference. Even Haslinger's Score, which I haven't got used to yet, was at first hear much much better than Pacific Coast; Klemania is much better to me too, even with its few oddities. Anyway, it was nice to know this music, I always like to hear new things, even if after hearing I don't like them. > > Does anyone here like this one? Just curiosity.. > GJ > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30357 Short 'reviews' TheInfection Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB 30360 Re: Short 'reviews' gustavojobim@n... Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB 30370 Re: Short 'reviews' Matthew Stringer Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:16 am Subject: Short 'reviews' Bought recently these in vinyl: LeParc, Ommadawn and The Complete Mike Oldfield. And Albedo 0.39 in cd-form, by Vangelis. LeParc was what I expected. I'm not saying that it's a bad and lousy album, but it could be better. It's quite interesting that credits are in all tracks Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. Propably Streethawk is one of the best songs from the album. Ommadawn is nothing like Oldfield had done before. First part is much better (and a little bit darker). The Horse Song is nice and optimistic. The Complete is a nice collection. It contains few of my favourites I've heard so far and good live performance. Evacuation from Killing Fields reminds me little of TD's style. Albedo is good Vangelis quality. Alpha and Freefall along side with Nucleogenesis Parts 1 and 2 are my favourites. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30360 Re: Short 'reviews' gustavojobim@n... Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB 30370 Re: Short 'reviews' Matthew Stringer Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'reviews' >LeParc was what I expected. I'm not saying that it's a >bad and lousy album, but it could be better. It's >quite interesting that credits are in all tracks >Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. Propably Streethawk is one >of the best songs from the album. I agree with this. The lousiest is IMHO Cliffs of Sydney. Also, Yellowstone Park has some resemblance to Long Island Sunset. (This is somewhat sidetracking, but so what) What I find outrageous is that Zen Garden gets to the All Music Guide's 'Song Highlights' list. Here it is: Tangram Set 1 Stratosfear Dream Is Always the Same Cloudburst Flight Atem Alpha Centauri Birth of Liquid Plejades Rubycon, Pt. 1 Zen Garden (Ryoanji Temple Kyoto) Phaedra Okay, it's not completely mistaken... but it seems somewhat illogical. Where are all the live & later stuff? What about Ricochet, Logos, Poland, Underwater Sunlight, Livemiles etc. If they would be concentrating on the early years, it would make sense. But Zen Garden??? I don't get it. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30375 Re: 'reviews' Armin Theissen Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30378 Re: 'reviews' TheInfection Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30377 Re: 'reviews' John Vertical Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30398 Re: 'reviews' Bennett Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB 30407 Le Parc tourism (was Re: 'reviews') armin_theissen Wed 12/5/2001 4 KB 30404 Re: 'reviews' John Vertical Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke Pacific Coast Highway I like it. It's certainly further removed from TD style than Klemania or the London Concert, but the sounds are beautiful and varied as usual, and some of the melody (e.g. on 'Wheels on Beach Park' or 'Crystal Tree' [is that the name?]) I think is outstanding. I often feel about this album that, having been type-cast as the rhythm guy in TD for a long time, Franke needed some space to breathe and convince himself that he is capable of composing melodies too (hence the short and quite uniformly calm tracks). He then went on to combine these abilities with those skills he had already amply demonstrated in TD. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: 02 December 2001 00:36 Subject: [tadream] Franke Pacific Coast Highway > Hi everyone, > > I've found Franke's Klemania and Pacific Coast Highway for nice prices, so I got them. I already had Klemania in CDR for some time, but it's always nicer to have the original. > > I've almost finished playing Pacific Coast, now playing track 9 of 12, for the first time. At first it sounded nice, but then there was one piano-based track after another and I got kind of bored... Maybe I'll need some time to digest it (well, GC took 2 years!). Anyway, the music for me seems to be usually forgettable. > > I remember the first time I played JS' Wuivend Riet, when I found it on vinyl for about 2 US dollars... It was so great, such an amazing collection of songs: Zeit, Matjora is Still Alive, Kneeplay No.9, W.Riet part 2... what a difference. Even Haslinger's Score, which I haven't got used to yet, was at first hear much much better than Pacific Coast; Klemania is much better to me too, even with its few oddities. Anyway, it was nice to know this music, I always like to hear new things, even if after hearing I don't like them. > > Does anyone here like this one? Just curiosity.. > GJ > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Short 'reviews' Le Parc is one of those albums I just have a special fondness for. I like all the tracks in there. One track I specially like is Central Park, it brings me images of urban rainy landscapes at night... > LeParc was what I expected. I'm not saying that it's a > bad and lousy album, but it could be better. It's > quite interesting that credits are in all tracks > Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. Propably Streethawk is one > of the best songs from the album. Ommadawn is the evolution of what Mike had been doing since Tubular Bells; also, it's very emotionally charged. Mike had a difficult childhood, his mother had drinking and mental problems, and she died shortly before Ommadawn. This album is often regarded as his best by fans, and it's my favourite. > Ommadawn is nothing like Oldfield had done before. > First part is much better (and a little bit darker). > The Horse Song is nice and optimistic. Albedo 0.39 for me is one of the greatest electronic albums of all time. > Albedo is good Vangelis quality. Alpha and Freefall > along side with Nucleogenesis Parts 1 and 2 are my > favourites. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30370 Re: Short 'reviews' Matthew Stringer Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Xcept One > > > Hi Craig, > > Xcept One was released on CD. Its on the Capitol Records' defunct Cinema > label and its cat. number is CDP 7 46919 2. I thought the label > was a great > idea. All progressive rock groups but unfortunately the label > died shortly > after it came to being. I recall it ended remarkably quickly (I was working in a musis store at the time) > The also had CD's by Patrick Moraz, Pete > Bardens, > Amin Bhatia. They also advertised a Tony Kaye album that I don't believe > ever saw the like of day. I had them all on LP exept (Xcept One) which was on CD... I don't ever recall seeing the Tony Kaye album released either... > > -Bob Fitz > > > Hi Toby, > > > > I picked up Departures from the Northern Wasteland some years > ago on CD - > > not sure if its still around or not. Also have his > collaboration with Manuel > > Gottsching, Early Water, which is probably better that DftNW, > IMO. I believe > > Xcerpt One is pretty hard to find on CD (was it ever released?) > and the only > > other Hoenig stuff I've heard of is the soundtrack for The Blob. > > > > Craig Cordrey > > craig.cordrey@b... > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: vic rek Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: Francisco Salgado Can someone provide me with Francisco's e-mail address? The only one I have is: fsalgado@c..., which apparently is no longer valid. Thanks, Vic From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Keep Which version of the Keep? Are you talking actual tracks in the movie, or tracklists from one of the official and/or unofficial releases? James > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:52 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Keep > > > Can someone point me to a web site that has a complete list > of what songs > are on the Keep? From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Five At 00:19 02.12.01 , you wrote: >Klaus Schulze >Brian & Roger Eno >Therion >Eloy >Harold Budd > > > >Martin K with TDI said: > >The Gathering > > >Ah Martin....you like Anneke Van Giersbergen too? >:) > YEP!!! Enthralling voice, hasn´t she? ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: Deadly Care Hi I see that Deadly Care is being transmitted on late-night UK tv later this week. That has a TD soundtrack hasn't it? Also is it worth sitting-up for? Best Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30371 Re: Deadly Care Kevin Robert Ball Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: Le Parc and Albedo (was: RE: [tadream] Short 'reviews') ALbedo is a definite MUST_HAVE for Vangelis fans. Positively my favorite V album. Le Parc: There's some very nice, well-thought out music here. F/F/S prove that they can vary styles and still get some coherence in an album. Favorite is Streethawk (of course). There's something truly reflective in 'Tiergarten' that really expresses the carefree feeling of being in the park as a child, barely tinted with the melancholy of an adult wishing for those days again. The near-frantic pace of 'Central Park' really hits the bustle of big-city life, with just hint of 'urban funk' thrown in. SPECTACULAR. But the masterpiece of the album is the haunting, but majestic 'Yellowstone Park'. Here is the tale of the origins of the mountains, imparted to us by an Indian woman so ancient, she seems as old as the mountains themselves. As she finishes her tale we turn to look at the majesty of the terrain. We turn back with more questions, but the woman is gone! James > -----Original Message----- > LeParc was what I expected. I'm not saying that it's a > bad and lousy album, but it could be better. It's > quite interesting that credits are in all tracks > Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. Propably Streethawk is one > of the best songs from the album. > > Albedo is good Vangelis quality. Alpha and Freefall > along side with Nucleogenesis Parts 1 and 2 are my > favourites. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30368 Re: Le Parc Utch Entel Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: All music guide I think there's some maneuvering in the list on which tracks get listed. The first few are of course good picks, but after that, I imagine there's some lee-way. It's probably set up to boost flagging sales on certain albums. On the other hand, it could just be one person's opinion... > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > > Tangram Set 1 > Stratosfear > Dream Is Always the Same > Cloudburst Flight > Atem > Alpha Centauri > Birth of Liquid Plejades > Rubycon, Pt. 1 > Zen Garden (Ryoanji Temple Kyoto) > Phaedra From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Le Parc Hi, James! >Le Parc: There's some very nice, well-thought out music here. F/F/S prove >that they can vary styles and still get some coherence in an album. > >Favorite is Streethawk (of course). > >There's something truly reflective in 'Tiergarten' that really expresses the >carefree feeling of being in the park as a child, barely tinted with the >melancholy of an adult wishing for those days again. > >The near-frantic pace of 'Central Park' really hits the bustle of big-city >life, with just hint of 'urban funk' thrown in. SPECTACULAR. > >But the masterpiece of the album is the haunting, but majestic 'Yellowstone >Park'. Here is the tale of the origins of the mountains, imparted to us by >an Indian woman so ancient, she seems as old as the mountains themselves. As >she finishes her tale we turn to look at the majesty of the terrain. We >turn back with more questions, but the woman is gone! I loved your review of this CD... ...it makes me want to spin it right away! I've always loved Le Parc, although it isn't in my top ten favorites... ...it is always a refreshing spin. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Honesty is the best policy - when there is money in it. --Mark Twain From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Le Parc Thanks! I'm glad I could renew your interest. Enjoy the music! James > -----Original Message----- > Hi, James! > > I loved your review of this CD... ...it makes me want to spin it right > away! I've always loved Le Parc, although it isn't in my top ten > favorites... ...it is always a refreshing spin. > > ...Utch From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Short 'reviews' Listened to Le Parc other day. Liked it. Matt From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deadly Care Well you could video it? It's a typical US Made For TV movie. It isn't bad but then again it ain't good. I watched it a few years back and enjoyed it. I taped it for the collection but wouldn't rush to watch it again. Mind you I find all (and I mean all) films like that. Once you've seen it and know the story - What's the point! KB. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Stewart [mailto:pogofish@h...] Sent: 03 December 2001 15:20 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Deadly Care Hi I see that Deadly Care is being transmitted on late-night UK tv later this week. That has a TD soundtrack hasn't it? Also is it worth sitting-up for? Best Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:26 pm Subject: hollywod hob td/ vancouver/denver anyone success in getting hollywood hob TD tickets? Ticketmaster is claiming they are not on sale and hob's website shows no TD concert at the sunset strip venue. They (HOB's website) are showing one in vancouver at the commodore ballroom on 3/2 and in denver on 2/19.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: tom george Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:41 am Subject: off topic.....Therion Hi Michal and Gustavo, The albums you mentioned below are wonderful but let me highly recommend their latest release that came out last week. It is called 'Secret of the Runes'. It is magnificant. Imagine putting in a blender a dark metal band, a chorus, female opera singers and a symphony orchestra and blending it on high and Therion would be the result. Beautiful, mesmeric, hard, commanding and entirely enthralling. My favorite album of the year so far. Tom > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:33:23 +0100 > From: 'Michal Moroz' > Subject: Re: therion and schmoelling Re: Top Five > > > Therion! A long time ago I heard some of their > Deggial album. I quite > liked that music... maybe some day I'll buy one of > their albums > > I recommend Theli or Vovin - much better than > Deggial, but these albums are > more metal but it still isn't that noisy ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 6:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Le Parc > >Le Parc: There's some very nice, well-thought out music here. F/F/S >prove > >that they can vary styles and still get some coherence in an album. > > > >Favorite is Streethawk (of course). > > > >There's something truly reflective in 'Tiergarten' that really expresses >the > >carefree feeling of being in the park as a child, barely tinted with the > >melancholy of an adult wishing for those days again. > > Wow. Almost exactly my thinking. Though the piece has a faintly pompous hue which I dislike. > >The near-frantic pace of 'Central Park' really hits the bustle of >big-city > >life, with just hint of 'urban funk' thrown in. SPECTACULAR. > > This was the piece that got me re-hooked to TD. After Exit, my 2nd experience was Mars Polaris. My first impression was 'Lame.' But after hearing this one... I was then assured that TD was worth of something. Quite a lot of something. I still haven't gotten into MP, however. > >But the masterpiece of the album is the haunting, but majestic >'Yellowstone > >Park'. Here is the tale of the origins of the mountains, imparted to us >by > >an Indian woman so ancient, she seems as old as the mountains themselves. >As > >she finishes her tale we turn to look at the majesty of the terrain. We > >turn back with more questions, but the woman is gone! > >I loved your review of this CD... ...it makes me want to spin it right >away! I've always loved Le Parc, although it isn't in my top ten >favorites... ...it is always a refreshing spin. > >...Utch To me, Le Parc is a gate to the non-classic. It's the first album I consider within the latter style, with its simpleness, short songs, heavy percussion et al. --- To add another review: Green Desert. I already had plenty of this on Dream Roots, but I'm not disappointed. In the title track, I hear some inspiration for the intro of Mojave Plan. One thing I've actually noticed never before, is the (somewhat annoying) zih-zih-zih in the background. But both the guitar and drum solos are spectacular. The rest of the album is more familiar, but one thing I don't understand: Why did Edgar cut off some bits from their ends in the collection versions? It seems pointless, as there's definetly enough room to add those 1.7 minutes. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30376 Re: Green Desert TheInfection Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 7:52 am Subject: Re: 'reviews' --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > I agree with this. The lousiest is IMHO Cliffs of Sydney. Eh... how opitions can differ. Thats one of my favourite TD tracks. I sat meditating on the rocks at the shore between Coogee and Maroubra (in Sydney) and felt so well with this track in my head... armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30378 Re: 'reviews' TheInfection Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 8:51 am Subject: Re: Green Desert --- John Vertical wrote: > To add another review: Green Desert. > > I already had plenty of this on Dream Roots, but I'm > not disappointed. In > the title track, I hear some inspiration for the > intro of Mojave Plan. One > thing I've actually noticed never before, is the > (somewhat annoying) > zih-zih-zih in the background. But both the guitar > and drum solos are > spectacular. Yeah, Green Desert contains good music, but you cannot be sure when it is actually recorded. In 'White Clouds' there's that synth flute, wich can be heard in 'Convention at 24' for example. And is Chris really bashing the drums or is it someone else? Aah, this is the album of pointless speculation, I suppose. > The rest of the album is more familiar, but one > thing I don't understand: > Why did Edgar cut off some bits from their ends in > the collection versions? > It seems pointless, as there's definetly enough room > to add those 1.7 > minutes. > > John Vertical You should never ask that question. :-) Seriously, I think Edgar just tought that the last few moments are pointless somehow. Only he himself knows what he was thinking at that point. Btw, is the versions in Dream Roots Tangentized too much? Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 8:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'reviews' > > I agree with this. The lousiest is IMHO Cliffs of Sydney. > >Eh... how opitions can differ. Thats one of my favourite TD tracks. >I sat meditating on the rocks at the shore between Coogee and >Maroubra (in Sydney) and felt so well with this track in my head... > >armin Well, that album is quite invariant in terms of goodness if you ask me. No track is a complete flop but none is an outstanding masterpiece either. And I've never actually been to Sydney, so... John Verticial _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: TheInfection Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'reviews' --- Armin Theissen wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' > wrote: > > > > > I agree with this. The lousiest is IMHO Cliffs of > Sydney. > > Eh... how opitions can differ. Thats one of my > favourite TD tracks. > I sat meditating on the rocks at the shore between > Coogee and > Maroubra (in Sydney) and felt so well with this > track in my head... > > armin Yes, I absolutely agree. Sydney is one of the best tracks with that little bit sad melody. Lousiest track is Tiergarten... but of course that's only my opinion. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Green Desert In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:52:37 AM Central Standard Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > Yeah, Green Desert contains good music, but you cannot > be sure when it is actually recorded. In 'White > Clouds' there's that synth flute, which can be heard > in 'Convention at 24' for example. *Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very much in the doubters camp. compositionally and sonically there's no way most of that was done in the earlier time frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of pretty recent vintage... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30380 Re: Green Desert toby.braddick@u... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30382 Re: Green Desert Matthew Stringer Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 9:02 am Subject: Re: Green Desert --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: Poly, what exactly do you mean by 'recent vintage' as I had the LB around 1987 if I remember correctly. Toby > > *Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very much in the doubters > camp. > compositionally and sonically there's no way most of that was done in the > earlier time frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so > skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of pretty recent > vintage... > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 9:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Green Desert In a message dated 12/4/2001 3:03:23 AM Central Standard Time, toby.braddick@u... writes: > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > Poly, what exactly do you mean by 'recent vintage' as I had the LB > around 1987 if I remember correctly. *'Pretty recent vintage' Meaning certainly not in the time frame of pre-Phaedra. It was supposed to have been recorded while Baumann was on haitus. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30409 Re: Green Desert timing braddito Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 10:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Green Desert I would say that most of the first track is the original, everything sounds like it's not been overdubbed. Love that track one of the best. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] Sent: 04 December 2001 08:56 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Green Desert In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:52:37 AM Central Standard Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > Yeah, Green Desert contains good music, but you cannot > be sure when it is actually recorded. In 'White > Clouds' there's that synth flute, which can be heard > in 'Convention at 24' for example. *Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very much in the doubters camp. compositionally and sonically there's no way most of that was done in the earlier time frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of pretty recent vintage... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: David Hughes Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 11:16 am Subject: Deadly Care on TV Hello all, > I see that Deadly Care is being transmitted on late-night UK tv later this > week. That has a TD soundtrack hasn't it? Also is it worth sitting-up for? > Any idea when it's on? I don't have a TV guide in front of me. Thanks David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30393 Re: Deadly Care on TV Brian Stewart Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB From: David Hughes Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: Re: Green Desert Poly Said : > compositionally and sonically there's no way most of that was done in the > earlier time frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so > skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of pretty recent > vintage... Agreed. In fact, I reckon this is probably the earliest example of the 'tangentisation' of an earlier TD album! The synth voicings give the game away completely. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:29 pm Subject: Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:55:56 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes: >*Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very >much in the doubters camp. compositionally and sonically >there's no way most of that was done in the earlier time >frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so >skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of >pretty recent vintage... Ah, the voice of reason. The last time this album was discussed (back on the tadream@c... list), the consensus was that most of the sounds were actually from 1973, but I personally felt that 1986 was more likely. I still think that not just the overall aural feel but the compositional style owes more to the 80s than the 70s. >Poly Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30396 Re: Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic tom807@a... Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB 30434 Re: Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic Antonio Nunes Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30447 Re: Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic Joe Shoults Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: piano tracks Hi all, I've got some friends who just had a baby. They've been playing classical piano for him to keep him calm. His mother loves piano music, and I've given her some TD before, and she always like the piano parts the best. So... I'm planning a TD/Vangelis/Oldfield?/etc. piano sampler CDR for Christmas. So far I've got: 29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) Matjora is Still Alive (Wuivend Reit) one of the piano tracks from Franke's PCH I'd like to have a few good quality, well-performed Haslinger or Schmoelling piano solos. (something that captures the piano parts of Ricochet 2, Song of the Whale 2, and Tangram. I might also excerpt the piano opening to Pergammon with a judicious fade-out. Any other suggestions? James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30390 Re: piano tracks Matthew Stringer Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB 30391 Re: piano tracks John Vertical Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB 30392 Re: piano tracks gustavojobim@n... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30394 Re: piano tracks Sean Montgomery Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30395 Re: piano tracks maggior@m... Tue 12/4/2001 4 KB 30397 monolight piano RE: [tadream] piano tracks Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30399 Re: piano tracks oberic01 Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30426 Re: piano tracks quarlie@a... Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:57 pm Subject: RE: Deadly Care > From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' [...] > Mind you I find all (and I mean all) films like that. Once you've seen it > and know the story - What's the point! That may be true for Random Extruded Hollywood movies; *good* movies have lots of details that you won't even notice the first time you see them, but that can really add to the story at repeated viewings. Jacques Tati and Terry Gilliam were/are very good at that kind of thing. Tati's later movies have very little explicit plot, and consist mostly of little vignettes that require very close attention. These are *not* movies to watch when you're in the mood for mind candy, though. Bye, Jens (who's going to watch 'Shrek' right now ;-) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: TOP 10 Hi all, this is the last week that you can send me your favourite TOP 10 of electronic Music CD Releases 2001. Please send it to: heiko@o... Vote at this moment jump to: www.opticaldream.de/dream/TOP10.htm Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de (NEW) Insurance City AG - Hier Klicken - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?91424C1872486450 D2 Vodafone CallYa - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Green Desert > > To add another review: Green Desert. > > > > I already had plenty of this on Dream Roots, but I'm > > not disappointed. In > > the title track, I hear some inspiration for the > > intro of Mojave Plan. One > > thing I've actually noticed never before, is the > > (somewhat annoying) > > zih-zih-zih in the background. But both the guitar > > and drum solos are > > spectacular. > >Yeah, Green Desert contains good music, but you cannot >be sure when it is actually recorded. In 'White >Clouds' there's that synth flute, wich can be heard >in 'Convention at 24' for example. Well, I don't know if it's exactly the same voice. They have a lot of flute voices... But I don't believe either that the album is in its original -73 form. What I would suggest for later additions are still those some 'toppings' in White Clouds, Astral Voyager & Indian Summer and the outro of the title track. >And is Chris really >bashing the drums or is it someone else? Aah, this is >the album of pointless speculation, I suppose. > Who else could it be than Chris? Plus is would make sense as Atem also had drums. > > The rest of the album is more familiar, but one > > thing I don't understand: > > Why did Edgar cut off some bits from their ends in > > the collection versions? > > It seems pointless, as there's definetly enough room > > to add those 1.7 > > minutes. > > > > John Vertical > >You should never ask that question. :-) > >Seriously, I think Edgar just tought that the last few >moments are pointless somehow. Only he himself knows >what he was thinking at that point. Btw, is the >versions in Dream Roots Tangentized too much? > >Regards, >TheInfection They're actually pretty well identical to the original versions, contrary to all the other Pink Years stuff. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] piano tracks There is the re-recorded piano part of Pergamon on Tangents, which sounds good and is not too difficult to play. The solo from Ratikon is nice too. There is a ton of great Vangelis piano stuff out there. -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: 04 December 2001 16:31 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] piano tracks Hi all, I've got some friends who just had a baby. They've been playing classical piano for him to keep him calm. His mother loves piano music, and I've given her some TD before, and she always like the piano parts the best. So... I'm planning a TD/Vangelis/Oldfield?/etc. piano sampler CDR for Christmas. So far I've got: 29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) Matjora is Still Alive (Wuivend Reit) one of the piano tracks from Franke's PCH I'd like to have a few good quality, well-performed Haslinger or Schmoelling piano solos. (something that captures the piano parts of Ricochet 2, Song of the Whale 2, and Tangram. I might also excerpt the piano opening to Pergammon with a judicious fade-out. Any other suggestions? James ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] piano tracks >Hi all, > >I've got some friends who just had a baby. They've been playing classical >piano for him to keep him calm. His mother loves piano music, and I've >given >her some TD before, and she always like the piano parts the best. > >So... I'm planning a TD/Vangelis/Oldfield?/etc. piano sampler CDR for >Christmas. > >So far I've got: >29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) >Matjora is Still Alive (Wuivend Reit) >one of the piano tracks from Franke's PCH > >I'd like to have a few good quality, well-performed Haslinger or >Schmoelling >piano solos. >(something that captures the piano parts of Ricochet 2, Song of the Whale >2, >and Tangram. > >I might also excerpt the piano opening to Pergammon with a judicious >fade-out. > >Any other suggestions? > >James What about Cool at Heart, or Monolight? From Oldfield I'd suggest Time Heals All Wounds, from Mathematican's Air Display - if you have that. It's not a pure piano solo, but it's still very beautiful. (The album was done in cooperation with Pekka Pohjola - I'm hailing from his side rather than Mike's) And if you're planning an excerpt of Pergamon... why not of those others as well? One more thing I was wondering about piano: what are those some piano notes doing in Betrayal? Okay, it does fit there, but was it necessary to use a real piano? It seems like an effort to just lenghten the instrument list. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 12:30 am Subject: Re: piano tracks There's one such piano solo on the 1/aug/87 concert, known as Antarktis... a great piano solo by the way. also, I recommend you include Kneeplay no.9 from Wuivend Riet. this track is excellent. An excerpt of the piano opening of Pergamon also works well; it's the first track in the TD compilation for newbies i've done (with many piano tracks by the way, including ric.2 and SOTW 2, and also tiergarten). I just don't remember the exact position I cut the track, but it's around 4 minutes, just when the piano part ends. > I'd like to have a few good quality, well-performed Haslinger or Schmoelling piano solos. > (something that captures the piano parts of Ricochet 2, Song of the Whale 2, and Tangram. > I might also excerpt the piano opening to Pergammon with a judicious > fade-out. > Any other suggestions? > James From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deadly Care on TV Hi. It on Friday night about 1am (Saturday). B _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] piano tracks 'Owens, James' wrote: > So far I've got: > 29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) > Matjora is Still Alive (Wuivend Reit) > one of the piano tracks from Franke's PCH > > Any other suggestions? Tiergarten Footbridge to Heaven. from Heartbreakers Cottage, from Legend (a harpsichord rather than piano sound...but certainly 'classical' sounding) The last movement of 'Alchemy of the Heart' from Tyger The first four minutes of Pergamon (a must!) The first 2:30 of Ricochet Part Two Other suggestions... 'Neverland' bu Suzanne Ciani 'Peace' by George Winston 'Portrait' by Enya Theme from 'Missing' - Vangelis 'Cosmos' Theme (Heaven and Hell) - Vangelis (another must) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'maggior@m...' Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] piano tracks James, I would suggest parts of Monolight: the beginning (0:00 - 3:00) and the end (17:25 - 19:36). The beginning I think is a beatiful melody, especially where the flute-like synth kicks in. The end always reminds me of the end of Echoes by Pink Floyd. Matjora is Still Alive is an awesome choice. This is my favorite Shmoelling track. It's also one of my favorite EM tracks. Rich Maggio Original Message: ----------------- From: Owens, James james.owens@m... Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:31:16 -0600 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] piano tracks Hi all, I've got some friends who just had a baby. They've been playing classical piano for him to keep him calm. His mother loves piano music, and I've given her some TD before, and she always like the piano parts the best. So... I'm planning a TD/Vangelis/Oldfield?/etc. piano sampler CDR for Christmas. So far I've got: 29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) Matjora is Still Alive (Wuivend Reit) one of the piano tracks from Franke's PCH I'd like to have a few good quality, well-performed Haslinger or Schmoelling piano solos. (something that captures the piano parts of Ricochet 2, Song of the Whale 2, and Tangram. I might also excerpt the piano opening to Pergammon with a judicious fade-out. Any other suggestions? James ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30397 monolight piano RE: [tadream] piano tracks Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: tom807@a... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 2:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic In a message dated 12/4/01 12:05:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:55:56 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes: > > >*Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very > >much in the doubters camp. compositionally and sonically > >there's no way most of that was done in the earlier time > >frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so > >skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of > >pretty recent vintage... > > Ah, the voice of reason. The last time this album > was discussed (back on the tadream@c... list), the > consensus was that most of the sounds were actually from > 1973, but I personally felt that 1986 was more likely. I > still think that not just the overall aural feel but the > compositional style owes more to the 80s than the 70s. > > >Poly > > Steven Feldman My opinion? It is the most Tanget-ized release there is. A 1973 album with NO MELLOTRON? C'mon. The drums are authentic, but that's about it. Tom Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 3:14 am Subject: monolight piano RE: [tadream] piano tracks I suppose you know the ending piano melody from Monolight is originally from Invisible Limits, last track in Stratosfear... if I remember correctly, i find the original version better than the Monolight version. >I would suggest parts of Monolight: the beginning (0:00 - 3:00) and the end (17:25 - 19:36). The beginning I think is a beatiful melody, especially where the flute-like synth kicks in. The end always reminds me of the end of Echoes by Pink Floyd. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Bennett' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'reviews' Le Parc No outstanding masterpiece????? Are we listening to the same album? As James says, The masterpiece of the album is the majestic 'Yellowstone Park'. An all time personal favorite. --Bennett np: CHRISTMAS EXTRAORDINAIRE ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'reviews' > > > I agree with this. The lousiest is IMHO Cliffs of Sydney. > > > >Eh... how opitions can differ. Thats one of my favourite TD tracks. > >I sat meditating on the rocks at the shore between Coogee and > >Maroubra (in Sydney) and felt so well with this track in my head... > > > >armin > > > Well, that album is quite invariant in terms of goodness if you ask me. No > track is a complete flop but none is an outstanding masterpiece either. > > And I've never actually been to Sydney, so... > > John Verticial > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30407 Le Parc tourism (was Re: 'reviews') armin_theissen Wed 12/5/2001 4 KB From: 'oberic01' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 6:25 am Subject: Re: piano tracks One of the best is of course Cool at Heart from Melrose! --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got some friends who just had a baby. They've been playing classical > piano for him to keep him calm. His mother loves piano music, and I've given > her some TD before, and she always like the piano parts the best. > > So... I'm planning a TD/Vangelis/Oldfield?/etc. piano sampler CDR for > Christmas. > > So far I've got: > 29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) > Matjora is Still Alive (Wuivend Reit) > one of the piano tracks from Franke's PCH > > I'd like to have a few good quality, well-performed Haslinger or Schmoelling > piano solos. > (something that captures the piano parts of Ricochet 2, Song of the Whale 2, > and Tangram. > > I might also excerpt the piano opening to Pergammon with a judicious > fade-out. > > Any other suggestions? > > James From: Dmitriy V N Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 6:30 am Subject: November 2001 Here is a short list of 5 albums which I played most frequently during november 2001 with the number of how many times they were played given in brackets: 1 Dream Mixes 3(25) A wonderful album which I bought 12.11.01. Stereolight and Prime Time are both great but the ultimately best is in fact The Comfort Zone(think I've already learned it by heart!). Much better when compared with the other Dream Mixes. 2 Dream Mixes 2(15) Started listening to that after buying DM3. Still a remarkable album, Mobocaster and TimeSquare are my favourites. 3 Goblins Club(15) Sounds unusual for that period of TD with a masterpiece Sad Merlin's Sunday. Don't know why, but I enjoy it more after Rubicon. 4 Rubicon(10) An outstanding work but can be listened to only in appropriate mood. Very cool sound in the middle of part 1, especially when I play it LOUD 5 Mars Polaris(10) Almost all tracks except for 6,9,10 are good while Astrophobia is really brilliant. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30403 Re: November 2001 John Vertical Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB 30405 Re: November 2001 Heiko Heerssen Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 6:36 am Subject: pilots of purple twilight Can please anyone tell me where the title 'pilots of purple twilight'(that's a track from Exit) came from? Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30402 Re: pilots of purple twilight John Vertical Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30408 Re: pilots of purple twilight Phil White Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pilots of purple twilight >Can please anyone tell me where the title 'pilots of >purple twilight'(that's a track from Exit) came from? >Dmitriy I heard it's from some poem... I'd love to know the rest too. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] November 2001 >3 Goblins Club(15) >Sounds unusual for that period of TD with a >masterpiece Sad Merlin's Sunday. Don't know why, but I >enjoy it more after Rubicon. Ha! I'm not the only one who thinks this is the best one! - I think that the last two track titles should be swapped - Sad Merlin is summery rather than sad, and the opposite phrase would apply to Elf June. Which is anyway a great track as well. >4 Rubicon(10) >An outstanding work but can be listened to only in >appropriate mood. Very cool sound in the middle of >part 1, especially when I play it LOUD Rubycon has a lot of cool voices... I like the gurgling at the end of Part 1 the best. It has something similar to the last 5 mins of Atem. Some other good ones are the initial howl wave at the beginning of part 2, the metallic background hum in the latter half of Part 1 and the crispied-up waves-hitting-the-beach imitation halfway through Part 2. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'reviews' >Le Parc >No outstanding masterpiece????? >Are we listening to the same album? >As James says, The masterpiece of the album is the majestic 'Yellowstone >Park'. >An all time personal favorite. > >--Bennett Okay, it's good... but not among the ten best. Some position 20+n would be more like it - that's what I think, anyway. I don't suppose you're either ranking Remote Viewing among the Top 3? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] November 2001 > Ha! I'm not the only one who thinks this is the best one! - I think that the > last two track titles should be swapped - Sad Merlin is summery rather than > sad, and the opposite phrase would apply to Elf June. Which is anyway a > great track as well. Goblin's Club is a very nice CD, however it also contains one of the most disastrous TD tracks ever: 'United Goblins Parade' (my apologies to those people who like this track ;-) > Rubycon has a lot of cool voices... I like the gurgling at the end of Part 1 > the best. It has something similar to the last 5 mins of Atem. Some other > good ones are the initial howl wave at the beginning of part 2, the metallic > background hum in the latter half of Part 1 and the crispied-up > waves-hitting-the-beach imitation halfway through Part 2. Rubycon is one of the ultimate electronic music classics. I still remember that when I purchased the LP back in 1983 the shop had two copies for sale..and I picked the wrong one because when I listened to the album at home I found out that it had lots of surface noises and scratches . At that time my pocket money allowed me to only purchase 3 or maybe 4 albums per month (urgh!!), and on the same day I took the next bus to the city and replaced my copy with the other one which sounded 100% ok (which was still for sale) It's strange..so many years have passed since then and I can still remember most of the details (I can even remember how the shop looked like inside which is closed since 10+ years now), but if my wife would call me now and ask me which is the colour of her jeans she's wearing today I could only guess ~LOL~ Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:07 am Subject: RE: [tadream] piano >I suppose you know the ending piano melody from Monolight is >originally >from Invisible Limits, last track in Stratosfear... if I >remember >correctly, i find the original version better than the >Monolight version. And the intro piano borrows some bits from Ricochet Part 2... I've actually never really liked the last piano in Monolight, nor the first cc. 2 minutes of Pergamon. My favorite piano solo is that of Song Of The Whale Part 2. I also don't count Tiergarten as a mainly piano track... too much other stuff going on simultaneously. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:10 am Subject: Le Parc tourism (was Re: 'reviews') Hi, Shortly after the release of Le Parc, I found myself in Paris for the first time (now I'm there every now and then). I had to go to the Bois de Bologne. Then I wondered whether I will ever have been in all parcs described on that album. Well, so far I made, next to the Bois, Central Park, Guell Garden, Tiergarten, Hyde Park, and I walked almost all of the Sydney cliffs south of the Opera ('til Maroubra). I'd say that TD's music was very often travel inspired. Think of Froeses Macula Transfer in particular. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Bennett' wrote: > Le Parc > No outstanding masterpiece????? > Are we listening to the same album? > As James says, The masterpiece of the album is the majestic 'Yellowstone > Park'. > An all time personal favorite. > > --Bennett > > np: CHRISTMAS EXTRAORDINAIRE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'John Vertical' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'reviews' > > > > > > I agree with this. The lousiest is IMHO Cliffs of Sydney. > > > > > >Eh... how opitions can differ. Thats one of my favourite TD tracks. > > >I sat meditating on the rocks at the shore between Coogee and > > >Maroubra (in Sydney) and felt so well with this track in my head... > > > > > >armin > > > > > > Well, that album is quite invariant in terms of goodness if you ask me. No > > track is a complete flop but none is an outstanding masterpiece either. > > > > And I've never actually been to Sydney, so... > > > > John Verticial > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pilots of purple twilight Hi All, This line comes from an excellent poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson and it's called Locksley Hall. Check it out ( spot all the other great synth titles just waiting to be used ! ) Regards Phil From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: Green Desert timing If I remember correctly, that suggests original working around 1975 (when Michael Hoenig filled in on the Australian tour) with additional work at a later stage. Toby > *'Pretty recent vintage' Meaning certainly not in the time frame of > pre-Phaedra. > It was supposed to have been recorded while Baumann was on haitus. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Green Desert timing In a message dated 12/5/2001 4:26:48 AM Central Standard Time, toby.braddick@u... writes: > If I remember correctly, that suggests original working around 1975 > (when Michael Hoenig filled in on the Australian tour) with additional > work at a later stage. > > Toby *Hmmm I think there was an earlier 'haitus' Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 10:46 am Subject: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings I have a number of the above LP's on Klaus Schulze's IC label. They came with a note that they could be played at either 33rpm or 45 rpm to get different effects. Does anyone know if these have been released on CD, and if so, are they available with recordings at both speeds ? Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30416 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re Michael Jean Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB 30420 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re hyperboreauk Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB 30438 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re armin_theissen Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30445 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re olle.rundgren@s... Thu 12/6/2001 3 KB 30446 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re gustavojobim@n... Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30458 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB 30457 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Ground Liftaz website updated Hi, The Ground Liftaz site has been updated. Check http://www.ground-liftaz.de/ Cheers, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30413 Re: Ground Liftaz website updated Greg Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 11:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz website updated 'Vermont Curry' & 'Babe Soda' are listed as done in the style of Big Beat / Breakbeat. This seems to be a departure from the Drum & Bass of Jeromes earlier works. Sounds like some interesting new stuff! The MP3s don't work, so we can't hear his newer creations yet. Greg H. From: chris towers Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Bootlegs Hiya all, i must admit yes piracy i guess is not a good thing in general. But as mentioned already when you have a band that has so so much unreleased material that will probably never reach the shops as origionals, it does direct you down the bootleg path. I in the last few weeks have spent around £500 on bootlegs and lots of material and live shows i havnt heard before and to me it is money well spent. Although the people i have ordered from are not in the game for money making. My sincere thanks go to Heiko Heerssen and Matt Sawyer for all the efforts for me. Thanks again. Chris --- Colin Jouxson wrote: > I Certainly know what its like to spend cash on this > band,around 160 > cds will show that,but £32 pounds for a double CDR > is complete > bol***ks.If somebody has the money and can afford > it,well all well > and good,but we are not all lucky enough to be on a > brain surgeons > salary,i was just merely ponting out the rip off > merchants out there > i think the ordinary working class man would find it > very difficult > to keep up with those prices, lets come back to te > real world. > Have a nice day Best regards CJ--- In > tadream@y..., > Rubyconist wrote: > > > > --- Colin Jouxson wrote: > > > I went to a record fair in Cardiff around 3 > weeks > > > ago,and they were > > > trying to get rid of the Shepherds Bush 12,05,01 > gig > > > on double CD for > > > Thirty two pounds,What an absolute Rip off.I > > > purchased a triple CDR of > > > this concert from a reliable source for a mere > > > £10,and it was of > > > excellent quality.The guys that ply their trade > at > > > these fairs must > > > be making a mint,thats if you,re daft enough to > buy > > > them. > > > Best regards CJ. > > > > I don't care how much something cost if it's worth > it. > > Mostly it isn't but hey, I just love this music > too > > much. And I don't think that mere 16-20 bucks is a > > hard price. > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site > hosting, just > $8.95/month. > > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] pilots of purple twilight/Tennyson 'FOR I DIPT INTO THE FUTURE, FAR AS HUMAN EYE COULD SEE, 'SAW THE VISION OF THE WORLD, AND ALL THE WONDER THAT WOULD BE; 'SAW THE HEAVENS FILL WITH COMMERCE. ARGOSIES OF MAGIC SAILS, 'PILOTS OF THE PURPLE TWILIGHT, DROPPING DOWN WITH COSTLY BALES; 'HEARD THE HEAVENS FILL WITH SHOUTING, AND THERE RAIN'D A GHASTLY DEW 'FROM THE NATIONS' AIRY NAVIES GRAPPLING IN THE CENTRAL BLUE; 'FAR ALONG THE WORLD-WIDE WHISPER OF THE SOUTH-WIND RUSHING WARM, 'WITH THE STANDARDS OF THE PEOPLES PLUNGING THRO' THE THUNDER-STORM; 'TILL THE WAR-DRUM THROBB'D NO LONGER, AND THE BATTLE-FLAGS WERE FURL'D 'IN THE PARLIAMENT OF MAN, THE FEDERATION OF THE WORLD, 'THERE THE COMMON SENSE OF MOST SHALL HOLD A FRETFUL REALM IN AWE, 'AND THE KINDLY EARTH SHALL SLUMBER, LAPT IN UNIVERSAL LAW.' Here you go... Though I don't know whether that is the origin or not... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> phil_white@b... 12/05/01 04:28AM >>> Hi All, This line comes from an excellent poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson and it's called Locksley Hall. Check it out ( spot all the other great synth titles just waiting to be used ! ) Regards Phil ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings I think some have been released, but not all of them... Which titles in particular are you interested in knowing about... I suspect they are at 33 RPM rather than 45 RPM. I am not aware of any CDs thsat have both versions, though that would be an interesting concept. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> toby.braddick@u... 12/05/01 05:46AM >>> I have a number of the above LP's on Klaus Schulze's IC label. They came with a note that they could be played at either 33rpm or 45 rpm to get different effects. Does anyone know if these have been released on CD, and if so, are they available with recordings at both speeds ? Toby ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30420 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re hyperboreauk Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar&Christoph I agree an outstanding thought and one myself and thousands of others would like too see, but i seem to remember reading a quote by EF some time ago. I cant remember the exact words but they were along the lines of 'forget it' shame Chris --- Colin Jouxson wrote: > Hello all > Whatever the reasons be that EF&CF (MIGHT) not see > eye to eye this > last decade,i will never forget the (out of this > world) musical > collaboration these guys once had,whether it be with > > Shroeder,Baumann,Hoenig(all to > briefly)Joliffe(second time around) > Schomelling,Haslinger,this was one hell of a > talented team. The > thought of a re_union tour seems distant now,but if > it happened, i > can see the TD diehards in a cue from Lands end to > John o groats,the > thought of it is absolutely > mouthwatering.EF,JF,PB,JS,PH, and whoever > else on stage together,the sort of thing YES did on > the Union tour. > Oh yes please,put us out of our misery. > Best regards CJ > np: Rubycon Untouchable Class. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: Edgar and Christoph (actually, YES) i >can see the TD diehards in a cue from Lands end to >John o groats,the thought of it is absolutely >mouthwatering.EF,JF,PB,JS,PH, and whoever else on stage together,the sort >of thing YES did on >the Union tour. Hmm, I saw the last night of that tour and all I can say was that it was a serious reminder of how bland and radio friendly the ZTT stuff (read 9021...) was. But getting to see Bill Bruford drum is always worth the price of admission. Hmm, OK so I got comped, but.... --T np Heavy Construction (Disc 2) by King Crimson 'a band with more than three brain cells'--Jamie Muir from Sid Smith's book 'In the Court of King Crimson'. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30450 Re: Edgar and Christoph (actually, King Crimson) odean@m... Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: TD ventura 2/23 onsale Noon 12/6 Ventura Theatre Ventura, CA Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:00PM $25.00 - $35.00 Charge by Phone: 805-583-8700 Seating Chart is not available Ticket Sale Date(s): Internet Public Sale: Thu Dec 6, 12:00PM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings Hi Robert Schroeder's Floating Music CD Release contains the 45rpm version only, which is obviously the best version. Cheers Gary. > I think some have been released, but not all of them... Which titles in particular are you interested in knowing about... I suspect they are at 33 RPM rather than 45 RPM. I am not aware of any CDs thsat have both versions, though that would be an interesting concept. > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean > The Brookings Institution, Room 821 > 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > EMAIL: mjean@b... > http://www.brookings.edu > > > > >>> toby.braddick@u... 12/05/01 05:46AM >>> > I have a number of the above LP's on Klaus Schulze's IC label. They > came with a note that they could be played at either 33rpm or 45 rpm > to get different effects. Does anyone know if these have been released > on CD, and if so, are they available with recordings at both speeds ? > > Toby > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'djambient' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: EF's guitar sound Does anyone know what guitar and effects EF used for his solos. I am particularly interested in the sound from the Thief soundtrack. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30422 Re: EF's guitar sound Michael Jean Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30423 Re: EF's guitar sound thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30455 Re: EF's guitar sound gyedid01 Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB 30425 Re: EF's guitar sound quarlie@a... Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30456 Re: EF's guitar sound Admin Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EF's guitar sound There used to be a Guitar Gallery on the TD website... They used dozens of different guitars... Perhaps someone knows for sure, but I would guess a Les Paul... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> djambient@y... 12/05/01 02:09PM >>> Does anyone know what guitar and effects EF used for his solos. I am particularly interested in the sound from the Thief soundtrack. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] EF's guitar sound If I remember, Jerome talked about it on his web site (that once was open) and it wasn't a Les Paul but a less common guitar I can't recall the name. It was red I think, but not a synth-guitar as I used to think from the first part of the solo. Edgar plays guitar in a very unique and weird way somehow and this is as important as the effects on 'normal' instruments. thomas. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30455 Re: EF's guitar sound gyedid01 Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB From: 'tangram12' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:53 pm Subject: Website Update hi i have just updated my website, on here you will find my entire collection of TD cds, and live recordings and my own creations Duncan www.tadream.co.uk tangram@t... From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re: EF's guitar sound In a message dated 12/5/01 2:12:43 PM, djambient@y... writes: >Does anyone know what guitar and effects EF used for his solos. I am >particularly interested in the sound from the Thief soundtrack. To which thomas.soucheleau@n... replied: >If I remember, Jerome talked about it on his web site (that once was open) and it >wasn't a Les Paul but a less common guitar I can't recall the name. It was red I think, >but not a synth-guitar as I used to think from the first part of the solo. I have a few of the RealAudio clips from Jerome's old Web site saved; the guitar on 'Thief' was the Hamer Sunburst. I think you're right that it was red. --Daniel NP: Transatlantic--Bridge Across Forever (great stuff) From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: Re: piano tracks In a message dated 12/4/01 12:19:23 PM, james.owens@m... writes: >I've got some friends who just had a baby. They've been playing classical >piano for him to keep him calm. His mother loves piano music, and I've >given >her some TD before, and she always like the piano parts the best. > >So... I'm planning a TD/Vangelis/Oldfield?/etc. piano sampler CDR for >Christmas. >[...] >Any other suggestions? I don't know if you happen to own any Mannheim Steamroller albums, but I've always found their solo piano pieces (many of which are titled 'Interlude' and then a number) to be excellent, whether you like the group's usual sound or not. So you might want to look into that. --Daniel NP: Wolfsheim--Spectators From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:01 pm Subject: Re: Le Parc tourism In a message dated 12/5/01 4:13:04 AM, ath@s... writes: >Shortly after the release of Le Parc, I found myself in Paris >for the first time (now I'm there every now and then). I had to >go to the Bois de Bologne. Then I wondered whether I will ever >have been in all parcs described on that album. Well, so far >I made, next to the Bois, Central Park, Guell Garden, Tiergarten, >Hyde Park, and I walked almost all of the Sydney cliffs south >of the Opera ('til Maroubra). Wow. I envy you. I'll be spending next fall in Japan, not far from Kyoto, so I'm going to be sure to visit the Ryoanji Temple, even though 'Zen Garden' isn't presently a favorite of mine. I'll post some pictures for the list, if photography is allowed. --Daniel From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:32 pm Subject: Interesting mp3 mix I just found an intersting file that mixes Dolphin Dance with a track by Dead can Dance called 'Piece for Solo Flute'. I'd never heard the flute piece before, but it fits incredibly well into the Dolphin Dance chord progressions. If the mixer had done a better mixing job it would be pretty awesome. As it stands, it sounds a bit like he turned on Dolphin Dance on one stereo, and mixed it in with a mic into '...Solo Flute'. This wouldn't be that bad except that '...Solo Flute is WAY too forward in the mix. At any rate, the track is called: Dead Can Dance & Tangerine Dream - Piece for Solo Flute & Dolphin Dance (DjCH mix).mp3 It's circulating around the usual MP3 channels. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30436 Re: Interesting mp3 mix vic rek Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30467 Re: Interesting mp3 mix Owens, James Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB 31278 Re: Interesting mp3 mix Mark Filipak Sun 1/13/2002 3 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Shy People Hello Guys, I was just recently able to add an original version of The Shy People ST to my collection. If I remember correctly, wasn't there an post done a while back that compiled a list of the different Shy People releases? How rare they were based on record company release and cover art? If anyone happens to have this post saved and archived, could you please forward a copy of this to me? Thanks in advance to the Kind Souls that are able to help. Neal From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert Dunno if this was mentioned, but Green Desert was recorded as a demo for Virgin Recs. chief Richard Branson. It was sort of an emergency recording in that Baumann had disappeared at the time, and Branson wanted something from TD, so Franke & Froese recorded it on their own. It was probably remixed somewhat for the 1986 release, but I doubt it was much. Scott From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shy People Check VOICES (I sold my copy).... I think it was released on Varese Sarabande... The US version had a Greenish cover, while the UK release was mostly White... >>> strat95@b... 12/05/01 04:41PM >>> Hello Guys, I was just recently able to add an original version of The Shy People ST to my collection. If I remember correctly, wasn't there an post done a while back that compiled a list of the different Shy People releases? How rare they were based on record company release and cover art? If anyone happens to have this post saved and archived, could you please forward a copy of this to me? Thanks in advance to the Kind Souls that are able to help. Neal ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 9:54 pm Subject: Michael Bianco Hello All, I know we are always looking for new music to add to our collections. So I just thought I would give a review of something I recently purchased. Michael Bianco - 'Space Minstral' From the liner notes - 'All compositions written and played on an Ibanez Universe 7-String guitar by Michael Bianco.' 'Tracks 1, 2, 5 & 8 uses 2 guitars (simultaneously)' If the above statement does not give an indication of the talent of Bianco, let me tell you the music is outstanding!! Michael is the classic starving musician.He does not work except for playing his music. He has the hardest time making his rent payments, or even feeding himself. But his guitar playing is incredible. I urge anyone who is interested in great guitar music to please check out his website and purchase a CD. He sits at his home burning his own CD. He refuses to by a multi burner because he insists on listening to each disc after burning to make sure all the music was burned without error. Now That is dedication!!! As a disclaimer, I must say I have met him and seen him play, but he is not a friend in anyway. I only mention all this because I hate to see such talent go un-rewarded. www.MichaelBianco.com Check him out, listen to the samples and please order his music!!! Thanks Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30440 Michael Bianco E Neal Frost Thu 12/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1133 > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:29:36 -0500 > From: scfeldman@j... > Subject: Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:55:56 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes: > > >*Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very > >much in the doubters camp. compositionally and sonically > >there's no way most of that was done in the earlier time > >frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so > >skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of > >pretty recent vintage... > > Ah, the voice of reason. The last time this album > was discussed (back on the tadream@c... list), the > consensus was that most of the sounds were actually from > 1973, but I personally felt that 1986 was more likely. I > still think that not just the overall aural feel but the > compositional style owes more to the 80s than the 70s. > > >Poly > > Steven Feldman > Except that Green Desert first came out as part of the 'In the Beginning' box set which is copyrighted 1985, so 1986 is slightly off. C.B.V.Goudreault Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30435 Re: Green Desert goozergrafx Thu 12/6/2001 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 12:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic 'tom807@a...' wrote: > My opinion? > It is the most Tanget-ized release there is. A 1973 album with NO MELLOTRON? The liner notes say that Edgar plays a Mellotron, as well as Guitar, Solina strings, Mini Moog and Phaser. Chris Franke plays Percussion, VCS 3 Synthi and PRX II Rhythm Controller. They say also 'Recorded August 1973, Remixed and mastered 1984', and so I really don't understand this discussion. Antonio Nunes From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 12:21 am Subject: Re: Green Desert The box came out in '85, with the Green Desert credit as remixed in '84. More like Performed in '84 with about 10 mins. of '73 sketches used as ideas for 'Green Desert' and 'White Clouds'. I mean, you can *hear* where they looped the rhythm track for 'Green Desert', and most of the synth sounds are *definately* modern! 'Astral Voyager' and 'Indian Summer' sound like Pinnacles leftovers... >--- In tadream@y..., 'Vincent Goudreault' wrote: > > >*Yeah, I'm afraid when it comes to Green Desert I'm very > > >much in the doubters camp. compositionally and sonically > > >there's no way most of that was done in the earlier time > > >frame... I think whatever was originally recorded was so > > >skeletal that most of what you hear on the album is of > > >pretty recent vintage... > > > > Ah, the voice of reason. The last time this album > > was discussed (back on the tadream@c... list), the > > consensus was that most of the sounds were actually from > > 1973, but I personally felt that 1986 was more likely. I > > still think that not just the overall aural feel but the > > compositional style owes more to the 80s than the 70s. > > > > >Poly > > > > Steven Feldman > > > > Except that Green Desert first came out as part of the 'In the > Beginning' box set which is copyrighted 1985, so 1986 is > slightly off. > > C.B.V.Goudreault From: vic rek Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 1:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting mp3 mix 'Owens, James' wrote: > I just found an intersting file that mixes Dolphin Dance with a track by > Dead can Dance called 'Piece for Solo Flute'. > > It's circulating around the usual MP3 channels. > My cousin gave me a present this year - it was a standard CD of various TD MP3 mixes he found 'out there', which includes the 'Piece for Solo Flute' - interesting. I call this compilation 'Dream Mixes Mixes' :-) From: 'theta2.geo' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 8:38 am Subject: TD-CD's for sale: Hyperborea, Tournado & Transsiberia I have some CD's for sale at eBay.de (shipping worldwide). If you're interested, check: http://cgi6.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&useri d=kotzkarnickel&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 (be sure you include the whole URL from 'http...' to '...rows=25'!) Andreas From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings Ah, no, they were supposed to run at 45. The idea was to get a better sound quality (obvious) - even the first record of Ideal was done that way, and you *won't* play this at 33... Klaus just prooved his sense of humour by suggesting on the cover that you may want to play them at 33 as well just for the effect... armin --- In tadream@y..., 'braddito' wrote: > I have a number of the above LP's on Klaus Schulze's IC label. They > came with a note that they could be played at either 33rpm or 45 rpm > to get different effects. Does anyone know if these have been released > on CD, and if so, are they available with recordings at both speeds ? > > Toby From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 12:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] United Goblins Parade Hi Heiko, I do like this track. I can understand that it may not be to everyone's taste, but calling it 'disastrous' requires some justification. What is disastrous about it? What I like about it is that the guitar on it is clearly an Edgar guitar, which carries the melody in a much more poetic way than any of the other guitar heroes TD have employed over the past could ever master. I also like the calm and solemn mood of the track, nicely woven into the overall fabric of the album. After I'd listened to 'Towards the Evening Star', 'Raising Haul' and 'Lamb with Radar Eyes' enough to be a bit fed up with them, the first-glance 'filler' tracks such as this one really came unto their own. They are the reason why I like listening to the album these days. Dennis > Goblin's Club is a very nice CD, however it also contains one of the most disastrous TD tracks ever: 'United Goblins Parade' > (my apologies to those people who like this track ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30441 Re: United Goblins Parade Heiko Heerssen Thu 12/6/2001 3 KB 30442 Re: United Goblins Parade John Vertical Thu 12/6/2001 3 KB 30443 Re: United Goblins Parade Michael Jean Thu 12/6/2001 4 KB 30444 Re: United Goblins Parade Dennis Nigbur Thu 12/6/2001 4 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 1:06 pm Subject: Michael Bianco Sorry if this e-mail is a repeat. I never received the first one, so am not sure if it made it out. Thanks *********************************** Hello All, I know we are always looking for new music to add to our collections. So I just thought I would give a review of something I recently purchased. Michael Bianco - 'Space Minstral' From the liner notes - 'All compositions written and played on an Ibanez Universe 7-String guitar by Michael Bianco.' 'Tracks 1, 2, 5 & 8 uses 2 guitars (simultaneously)' If the above statement does not give an indication of the talent of Bianco, let me tell you the music is outstanding!! Michael is the classic starving musician.He does not work except for playing his music. He has the hardest time making his rent payments, or even feeding himself. But his guitar playing is incredible. I urge anyone who is interested in great guitar music to please check out his website and purchase a CD. He sits at his home burning his own CD. He refuses to by a multi burner because he insists on listening to each disc after burning to make sure all the music was burned without error. Now That is dedication!!! As a disclaimer, I must say I have met him and seen him play, but he is not a friend in anyway. I only mention all this because I hate to see such talent go un-rewarded. www.MichaelBianco.com Check him out, listen to the samples and please order his music!!! Thanks Neal From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] United Goblins Parade > I do like this track. I can understand that it may not be to everyone's taste, but calling it 'disastrous' requires some justification. What is disastrous about it? I don't believe I have to justify what I've said..but maybe I should better have written 'bad' instead :-) It's hard to explain..my first reaction to this composition was (very) negative..for me it just sounded way to slick, like background muzak. There are only very very few pieces of Tangerine Dream which I think should have better be left unreleased, but it's also plain to see that every single TD fan has a subjective taste about what he likes or not. Some favour the Baumann & Schmoelling years, others are more interested in their recent output, and some people (like me!) amost like everything..well except 'United Goblins Parade' of course ~LOL~ Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] United Goblins Parade > > I do like this track. I can understand that it may not be to everyone's >taste, but calling it 'disastrous' requires some justification. What is >disastrous about it? > >I don't believe I have to justify what I've said..but maybe I should better >have written 'bad' instead :-) It's hard to explain..my first reaction to >this composition was (very) negative..for me it just sounded way to slick, >like background muzak. There are only very very few pieces of Tangerine >Dream which I think should have better be left unreleased, but it's also >plain to see that every single TD fan has a subjective taste about what he >likes or not. Some favour the Baumann & Schmoelling years, others are more >interested in their recent output, and some people (like me!) amost >like everything..well except 'United Goblins Parade' of course ~LOL~ > >Heiko I'm also a person who likes pretty much everything TD has made... except this. I'm not exactly sure why do I find this so boring but I'll try to explain. The gentle beginning is not bad - but then the guitar voice has a somewhat unpleasant hue. The melody is not too bad, but the structure is. Boring drumming, a lame guitar line, some lousy humming synth stuff. What I'm placing high in a track is whether it has a good mood or not. This one doesn't have a good one. It lacks depth. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] United Goblins Parade It wasn't one of my favorites at first either, but I think it may have something to do with its placement in the track order... If you listen to it by itself, or start the CD with that track, you might get a different impression... MJ >>> johnvertical@h... 12/06/01 09:39AM >>> > > I do like this track. I can understand that it may not be to everyone's >taste, but calling it 'disastrous' requires some justification. What is >disastrous about it? > >I don't believe I have to justify what I've said..but maybe I should better >have written 'bad' instead :-) It's hard to explain..my first reaction to >this composition was (very) negative..for me it just sounded way to slick, >like background muzak. There are only very very few pieces of Tangerine >Dream which I think should have better be left unreleased, but it's also >plain to see that every single TD fan has a subjective taste about what he >likes or not. Some favour the Baumann & Schmoelling years, others are more >interested in their recent output, and some people (like me!) amost >like everything..well except 'United Goblins Parade' of course ~LOL~ > >Heiko I'm also a person who likes pretty much everything TD has made... except this. I'm not exactly sure why do I find this so boring but I'll try to explain. The gentle beginning is not bad - but then the guitar voice has a somewhat unpleasant hue. The melody is not too bad, but the structure is. Boring drumming, a lame guitar line, some lousy humming synth stuff. What I'm placing high in a track is whether it has a good mood or not. This one doesn't have a good one. It lacks depth. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] United Goblins Parade I didn't mean this personally. I agree you don't have to justify your feelings about some track or another - if you simply say you don't like this track, then that's fine. But if you rationalise your argument by calling the track disastrous and one of the worst that TD has ever written, I imagine you must have a strong and rational reason for doing so. Given that this is a discussion board, the discussion of these reasons should surely be one of the motives we all have for being on this list. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: 06 December 2001 13:13 Subject: Re: [tadream] United Goblins Parade > > I do like this track. I can understand that it may not be to everyone's taste, but calling it 'disastrous' requires some justification. What is disastrous about it? > > I don't believe I have to justify what I've said..but maybe I should better have written 'bad' instead :-) It's hard to explain..my first reaction to this composition was (very) negative..for me it just sounded way to slick, like background muzak. There are only very very few pieces of Tangerine Dream which I think should have better be left unreleased, but it's also plain to see that every single TD fan has a subjective taste about what he likes or not. Some favour the Baumann & Schmoelling years, others are more interested in their recent output, and some people (like me!) amost > like everything..well except 'United Goblins Parade' of course ~LOL~ > > Heiko > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings armin_theissen wrote: >Ah, no, they were supposed to run at 45. The idea was to get a >better sound quality (obvious) - even the first record of Ideal >was done that way, and you *won't* play this at 33... >Klaus just prooved his sense of humour by suggesting on the >cover that you may want to play them at 33 as well just for >the effect... Is that so? Well at least he fooled me. I only have Schroeder's first release on cd but I do have the Floating Music LP. I've really tried to enjoy it at both 33 rpm and 45 but whereas the slower speed makes the music dark and kind of gloomy it turns into one of my top five, if not top three, EM discs of all time at 45 rpm. Now I see why he chose the 45 version for the cd. Funny guy that Schulze, if this is true I really enjoy his sense of humour. /Olle AKA The Confused np: Robert Schroeder - Floating music (at 78 rpm - just for the effect) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30446 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re gustavojobim@n... Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30458 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB 30457 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings I have to say, indeed, Schroeder's Floating Music is a brilliant album. Fantastic music. It's also among my favourites. I feel really bad about having it only as a CDR taken from MP3. I've never found it for sale; if I do I'll buy it. > I've really tried to enjoy it at both 33 rpm and 45 but whereas the slower > speed makes the music dark and kind of gloomy it turns into one of my top > five, if not top three, EM discs of all time at 45 rpm. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30458 Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication re armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Green Desert an 80s Rather than 70s Relic I agree. It's not like it's a big mystery or anything. although I would very much like to hear the original 1973 version! > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@n...] .. > They say also 'Recorded August 1973, Remixed and mastered > 1984', and so > I really don't understand this discussion. From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: ventura 2/23 onsale now! got my ventura tickets just now :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30452 Re: ventura 2/23 onsale now! goozergrafx Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30453 Re: ventura 2/23 onsale now! Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: Flaoting music at 78 rpm.... >np: Robert Schroeder - Floating music (at 78 rpm - just for the effect) now try it at 18 rpm... just for the e f f e c t --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30451 Re: Flaoting music at 78 rpm.... Thenite0wl@a... Thu 12/6/2001 2 KB 30459 Re: Flaoting music at 78 rpm.... armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB From: odean@m... Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 12:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar and Christoph (actually, King Crimson) At 10:20 AM 12/5/01 -0800, --T wrote: >--T > >np Heavy Construction (Disc 2) by King Crimson 'a band with more than three >brain cells'--Jamie Muir from Sid Smith's book 'In the Court of King >Crimson'. Cool, I'll be seeing King Crimson this Sunday night in New Haven, CT. I've seen them many times and they never fail to amaze. Interestingly enough when I saw them last year, they were using the drummer from that 80's group 'Mr. Mister.' He was good but he WASN'T Bruford! Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flaoting music at 78 rpm.... Hi all, Would love to, and at 18, just to hear effects, but good ol' 33+45 only.... Regards :-P From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:52 pm Subject: Re: ventura 2/23 onsale now! Boy, I hope I can make this show. It would be nice not only because it was where I first met the band after the '92 gig, but it's also my birthday. Just have to convince the wife that it's our patriotic duty to fly to the left coast to see a German band...:) Plus, I'd like to see my younger brother and some friends out there, too. --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > got my ventura tickets just now :) From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 12:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ventura 2/23 onsale now! already have mine I am working on some press passes for this one too. If I do manage, I might be able to get some autographs... so for anyone who will be at this concert, let me know. NOW the keyword is might, and I am working on some press passes... I would like to be but it all depends on many folks. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'goozergrafx' To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: ventura 2/23 onsale now! > Boy, I hope I can make this show. It would be nice not only because it was where I first met the band after the '92 gig, but it's also > my birthday. Just have to convince the wife that it's our patriotic duty to fly to the left coast to see a German band...:) > > Plus, I'd like to see my younger brother and some friends out there, too. > > --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > > got my ventura tickets just now :) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] German web site For those of you who can read German, you might be interested in this lengthy article about TD: go to Lexicon, then Alle Gruppen, then TD. Enjoy! and let us know if there's anything interesting being said, please. 8-) Dell http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=81205e4812b9cbd014b16a00c1077ec0&\ lat=1007693483&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2egermanrock%2ede%2f As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30460 Re: German web site armin_theissen Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB 30464 Re: German web site Joe Shoults Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB 30474 Re: German web site Adele Outland Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB From: 'gyedid01' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 3:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] EF's guitar sound --- In tadream@y..., thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > If I remember, Jerome talked about it on his web site (that once was open) and it wasn't a Les Paul but a less common guitar I can't recall the name. You're quite right, it wasn't a Les Paul. It was a 1978 Hamer Sunburst--also used during the 1980/81 tour. > It was red I think, but not a synth-guitar as I used to think from >the first part of the solo. Edgar plays guitar in a very unique and >weird way somehow and this is as important as the effects >on 'normal' instruments. I think a few of us here would contemplate selling our souls to know what Ed's hookup for that thing was ;) Its sound suited the music that TD was doing at the time PERFECTLY. > thomas. Gabe From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 6:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] EF's guitar sound Just a shot in the Dark but how about the MicroSynth, Frequency Analyzer (Devo use this for sure), Bass MicroSynth, Q-Tron and or a Stereo PolyChorus. Maybe a few of those in combination? All of these are made by electro-harmonix. Another thought is 'It's Magic'. I have been able to use my Korg MS-2000 to get some effects similar to those used. I am almost sure he used a ..4%^hdf skjd ms.. in line with a *93^^73. > --- In tadream@y..., thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > > If I remember, Jerome talked about it on his web site (that once > was open) and it wasn't a Les Paul but a less common guitar I can't > recall the name. > > You're quite right, it wasn't a Les Paul. It was a 1978 Hamer > Sunburst--also used during the 1980/81 tour. > > > It was red I think, but not a synth-guitar as I used to think from > >the first part of the solo. Edgar plays guitar in a very unique and > >weird way somehow and this is as important as the effects > >on 'normal' instruments. > > I think a few of us here would contemplate selling our souls to know > what Ed's hookup for that thing was ;) Its sound suited the music > that TD was doing at the time PERFECTLY. > > > thomas. > > Gabe From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings Klaus certainly is... you should hear the interviews he gives... and his refusal to switch off the Berlin accent when he speaks german and his german accent when he speaks english... a. --- In tadream@y..., olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > Funny guy that Schulze, if this is true I really enjoy his sense of humour. > > /Olle > AKA The Confused > > np: Robert Schroeder - Floating music (at 78 rpm - just for the effect) From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Re: Robert Schroder - Innovative Communication recordings I've actually seen him live in the Audimax of the university of Aachen (his hometown). I had just read a book on how to build an analog sequencer written by him (never got around to build it - just did the trigger unit). He played a PPG Wave 2, some sort of a Polymoog, I guess, some other stuff - and his self-made analog sequence. The concert happend around the time he released Floating Music and was quite enjoyable. a. --- In tadream@y..., gustavojobim@n... wrote: > I have to say, indeed, Schroeder's Floating Music is a brilliant album. > Fantastic music. It's also among my favourites. I feel really bad about > having it only as a CDR taken from MP3. I've never found it for sale; if I > do I'll buy it. > > > I've really tried to enjoy it at both 33 rpm and 45 but whereas the slower > > speed makes the music dark and kind of gloomy it turns into one of my top > > five, if not top three, EM discs of all time at 45 rpm. From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 9:29 am Subject: Re: Flaoting music at 78 rpm.... yeah, copy it on real tape and run it manually with your fingers and play it backwards and and and.... ;-) a. --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > >np: Robert Schroeder - Floating music (at 78 rpm - just for the effect) > > now try it at 18 rpm... just for the e f f e c t > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re: German web site hm... that doesn't lead me anywhere... mind posting the text? a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > For those of you who can read German, you might be interested in this > lengthy article about TD: go to Lexicon, then Alle Gruppen, then TD. Enjoy! > and let us know if there's anything interesting being said, please. 8-) Dell > > http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=81205e4812b9cbd014b16a00c1077ec0&\ lat=1007693483&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2egermanrock%2ede%2f > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: OT actually King Crimson From: odean@m... >Cool, I'll be seeing King Crimson this Sunday night in New Haven, CT. I've seen them many times and they never fail to amaze. Interestingly enough when I saw them last year, they were using the drummer from that 80's group 'Mr. Mister.' He was good but he WASN'T Bruford!< Well they are amazingly scary right now--especially the new pieces :) Missed this leg of the tour with johnpauljones (first time since 1984 that I missed them), but saw them twice (SF & LA) opening for TOOL a few months back. --T np KC 12/13/71 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30515 Re: OT actually King Crimson Erik Sanborn Mon 12/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: digest mode Hi folks, Could someone let me know how to get into digest mode? Thank you. Miles MacMillan NP Electronic Meditation [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30463 Re: digest mode Michael Jean Fri 12/7/2001 2 KB 30469 Re: digest mode Joe Shoults Fri 12/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] digest mode Go to the yahoo groups page, sign in, and go to preferences >>> mmacmillan@c... 12/07/01 04:21PM >>> Hi folks, Could someone let me know how to get into digest mode? Thank you. Miles MacMillan NP Electronic Meditation [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 6:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: German web site try www.germanrock.de > -----Original Message----- > From: armin_theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:33 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: German web site > > > > hm... that doesn't lead me anywhere... mind posting the text? > > a. > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > > For those of you who can read German, you might be interested in > this > > lengthy article about TD: go to Lexicon, then Alle Gruppen, then TD. > Enjoy! > > and let us know if there's anything interesting being said, please. > 8-) Dell > > > > > http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=81205e4812b9cbd > 014b16a00c1077ec0&lat=1007693483&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww% > 2egermanrock%2ede%2f > > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 6:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: German web site - ENGLISH http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/index_english.htm This is the article translated into English > -----Original Message----- > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > > > For those of you who can read German, you might be interested in > > this > > > lengthy article about TD: go to Lexicon, then Alle > Gruppen, then TD. > > Enjoy! From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Jim & Pablo Today for some strange reason I recalled that the Jim & Pablo CD was supposed to be the first in a series of 12 or 12 CDs. I wonder what ever happened to those planned releases... (Not that we would miss them very much)... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Interesting mp3 mix What are the others? I'd be curious what to look out for. James > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:31 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting mp3 mix > > > > 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > I just found an intersting file that mixes Dolphin Dance > with a track by > > Dead can Dance called 'Piece for Solo Flute'. > > > > It's circulating around the usual MP3 channels. > > > > My cousin gave me a present this year - it was a standard CD > of various TD MP3 mixes he found 'out there', which includes the > 'Piece for Solo Flute' - interesting. I call this > compilation 'Dream Mixes Mixes' :-) From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: TOP 10 !!! Hi all, the last three days for your vote of the TOP 10 electronic Music CD Releases 2001. Send your TOP 10 list to: heiko@o... or jump to: www.opticaldream.de/dream/TOP10.htm heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] digest mode simply send a blank message to 'tadream-digest@yahoogroups.com' or do it through your profile at yahoogroups.com or I'll do it for you > -----Original Message----- > From: Miles MacMillan [mailto:mmacmillan@c...] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:22 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] digest mode > > > Hi folks, > > Could someone let me know how to get into digest mode? Thank you. > > Miles MacMillan > > NP Electronic Meditation > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 11:31 pm Subject: TD@H..., Anaheim Picked up my tix today for the 02/22/02 House of Blues, Anaheim show. If you go to HOB for dinner and mention that you're also here for the concert, they let you into the performance space 15 minutes early before they open the doors to those just to see the performance. Is there any other listizen planning to see them play this venue? If so let's contact each other and plan something! Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 4:38 am Subject: animals I'm building a collection of TD tracks with animal sounds and found only four: sheep in 3am at the border of marsh cows in coldwater canyon wolves in thru metamorphic rocks horses in rising haul in silence Any other suggestions? Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30475 Re: animals quarlie@a... Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB 30476 Re: animals John Vertical Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB 30478 Re: animals Synthhtnys@a... Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB 30479 Re: animals Michael Jean Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB 30482 Re: animals Robert Grabowsky Sat 12/8/2001 3 KB 30480 Re: animals Joe Shoults Sat 12/8/2001 3 KB 30503 Re: animals armin_theissen Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30481 Re: animals John Vertical Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB 30497 Re: animals TheInfection Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 4:39 am Subject: best tracks of <5 min tracks: network 23 of 5-10 min traks: electric lion of 10-15 min tracks: thru metamorphic rocks of >15 min tracks: mojave plan Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30477 Re: best tracks John Vertical Sat 12/8/2001 2 KB 30508 Re: best tracks Dmitriy V N Mon 12/10/2001 4 KB 30526 Re: best tracks John Vertical Tue 12/11/2001 5 KB 30561 Re: Impressions of Sorcerer TheInfection Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB 30568 Re: best tracks Dmitriy V N Thu 12/13/2001 4 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 4:43 am Subject: Re: united goblin's parade Can't say uinted goblins parade makes any negative impression... It doesn't seem to make any definite impression at all. Very simple track (Here I agree with John V, and same thing can be said about on crane's passage). By the way, when I bought Goblin's Club I was very intrested in UGP because of a very strange title. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30496 Re: united goblin's parade TheInfection Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30517 Re: united goblin's parade moxica@m... Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30521 Re: united goblin's parade TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 5:57 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: German web site Thanks, Joe. I don't know why my link didn't work, but yours does just fine. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: German web site >Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:48:49 -0500 > >try www.germanrock.de > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: armin_theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:33 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: German web site > > > > > > > > hm... that doesn't lead me anywhere... mind posting the text? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 6:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] animals In a message dated 12/7/01 11:39:24 PM, oberic01@y... writes: >I'm building a collection of TD tracks with animal >sounds and found only four: >sheep in 3am at the border of marsh >cows in coldwater canyon >wolves in thru metamorphic rocks >horses in rising haul in silence > Any other suggestions? You'll find horses in TD's version of 'Pictures at an Exhibition' (on 'Turn of the Tides') as well. --Daniel NP: Covenant--Theremin EP From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] animals >I'm building a collection of TD tracks with animal >sounds and found only four: >sheep in 3am at the border of marsh >cows in coldwater canyon >wolves in thru metamorphic rocks >horses in rising haul in silence > Any other suggestions? >Regards, > Dmitriy > Cows? Horses? I'll have to check those... There are some bird noises in Soundmill Navigator (but I don't believe you're going to include that), Fauni-Gena, Zen Garden and Cliffs of Sydney; then there are some strange noises which resemble cats or cows in Sphinx Lightning. Of course there are the numerous choral sections as well, if you count humans as animals... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 9:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] best tracks >of <5 min tracks: network 23 >of 5-10 min traks: electric lion >of 10-15 min tracks: thru metamorphic rocks >of >15 min tracks: mojave plan >Regards, > Dmitriy > Huh? Well, I'll try too... (Along my track length definitions from way back when) < 3 min: Sequent 'C' 3-6 min: White Eagle 6-10 min: Remote Viewing 10-15 min: Song Of The Whale Part 2 15-24 min: Ricochet Part 2 >24 min: Livemiles (West Berling Concert) Nothing too surprizing, as you can see. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] animals In a message dated 12/8/2001 3:30:14 AM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > > Any other suggestions? > >Regards, > > Dmitriy > > > *Ambient Monkeys has tons of FX...... running all the way through the songs... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] animals What an odd thread... I think there is a cat sound on GC or TOB And a whale sound in Legend >>> Synthhtnys@a... 12/08/01 05:52 AM >>> In a message dated 12/8/2001 3:30:14 AM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > > Any other suggestions? > >Regards, > > Dmitriy > > > *Ambient Monkeys has tons of FX...... running all the way through the songs... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30482 Re: animals Robert Grabowsky Sat 12/8/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] animals also a whale sound at the end of Underwater Sunlight (Song of the Whale part 2?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@B...] > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:01 AM > To: Synthhtnys@a...; tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] animals > > > What an odd thread... > > I think there is a cat sound on GC or TOB > And a whale sound in Legend > > >>> Synthhtnys@a... 12/08/01 05:52 AM >>> > In a message dated 12/8/2001 3:30:14 AM Central Standard Time, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > >Regards, > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > *Ambient Monkeys has tons of FX...... running all the way through the > songs... > Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30503 Re: animals armin_theissen Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 4:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] animals >also a whale sound at the end of Underwater Sunlight (Song of the Whale >part >2?) > I don't think it's intended to be a whale voice... I consider it a re-edition of that one section of Kiew Mission... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30497 Re: animals TheInfection Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] animals Wavelength has whale sounds on the track Alien Voices. At 09:00 AM 12/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >What an odd thread... > >I think there is a cat sound on GC or TOB >And a whale sound in Legend > >>>> Synthhtnys@a... 12/08/01 05:52 AM >>> >In a message dated 12/8/2001 3:30:14 AM Central Standard Time, >johnvertical@h... writes: > > >> > Any other suggestions? >> >Regards, >> > Dmitriy >> > >> > >*Ambient Monkeys has tons of FX...... running all the way through the >songs... >Poly > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: 33/45rpm Hi folks, Michael A. Jean stated: >I think some have been released, but not all of them... Which titles in particular are you interested in knowing about... I suspect >they are at 33 RPM rather than 45 RPM. I am not aware of any CDs thsat have both versions, though that would be an interesting >concept. I don't know if any of you are aware of the Canadian EM performer Nash The Slash. He always states on his instrumental albums that they can be played at any speed. One that is available on CD is called Blind Windows and it has versions of the songs both at 33RPM and 45RPM. Early in his career, a DJ accidentally played his records at the wrong speed live on the radio and people liked the sped up versions, so he has kept up the tradition ever since. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'convention24' Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: The WORLDS number 1 I am sitting here listening to the incredible sounds of MARS POLARIS, the clowns said Tangerine Dream were past it,all i can say is NONSENSE they are and always will be THE WORLDS NUMBER ONE,THERES NO substitute for QUALITY. Best regards CJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30485 Re: The WORLDS number 1 chris towers Sun 12/9/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 6:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The WORLDS number 1 Yep, I AGREE Chris --- convention24 wrote: > I am sitting here listening to the incredible sounds > of MARS POLARIS, > the clowns said Tangerine Dream were past it,all i > can say is NONSENSE > they are and always will be THE WORLDS NUMBER > ONE,THERES NO > substitute for QUALITY. > Best regards CJ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: Re: animals >also a whale sound at the end of Underwater Sunlight (Song of the Whale part >2?) Where? Just heard it - nothing like that. Or you mean three sounds at 6.00-6.20? Never thought that could be a whale and also no associations with Kiev Mission. Regars, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 12:49 pm Subject: Re: Best Tracks No difference. I just wanted approximately equal number of tracks to be in each group. For example there are only a few >24 tracks. >< 3 min: Sequent 'C' Cant say I like it also the title sounds cool(especially in original where it's written Sequent 'C'). Just a couple of organ sounds. If I'm not mistaken, the only Baumann track in TD discography. For me, the best <3 track is Impressions of the Sorcerer. >3-6 min: White Eagle >6-10 min: Remote Viewing A splendid pair of classical TD tracks >10-15 min: Song Of The Whale Part 2 >>24 min: Livemiles (West Berling Concert) In fact,I'm not a great fan of Underwater Sunlight style... Logos part 1 is an undoubted best between >24 >15-24 min: Ricochet Part 2 Why Ricochet? Maybe the worst Virgin years album. The only good section is a 'ricochet' in part 2 when a strange sound jumps from ear to ear. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30489 Re: Best Tracks John Vertical Sun 12/9/2001 4 KB 30490 Re: Best Tracks Gustavo Jobim Sun 12/9/2001 3 KB 30495 Re: Best Tracks goozergrafx Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30504 Re: Best Tracks armin_theissen Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30522 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB 30523 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 3 KB 30524 Atem Re: Best Tracks Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB 30493 Re: Best Tracks quarlie@a... Sun 12/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 12:59 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: German web site - ENGLISH This was translated by Heiko Heerssen and myself a few months ago now, it was announced on the list at the time. Paul ---------- >De : Joe Shoults >À : ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Objet : RE: [tadream] Re: German web site - ENGLISH >Date : Ven 7 déc 2001 19:52 > > http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/index_english.htm > > This is the article translated into English > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: >> > > For those of you who can read German, you might be interested in >> > this >> > > lengthy article about TD: go to Lexicon, then Alle >> Gruppen, then TD. >> > Enjoy! From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Best Tracks > >< 3 min: Sequent 'C' > >Cant say I like it also the title sounds >cool(especially in original where >it's written Sequent 'C'). Just a couple of organ >sounds. If I'm not mistaken, >the only Baumann track in TD discography. For me, the >best <3 track >is Impressions of the Sorcerer. > Isn't it a flute? Anyway, it's a good clip of wistfulness. Impressions of Sorcerer didn't quite impress me... >In fact,I'm not a great fan of Underwater Sunlight style... >Logos part 1 is an undoubted best between >24 When it comes to Logos, I'm not _that_ terrified. That one section around 20-25 minutes is brilliant - but that's about it. First, there's too much repetition there and here. The beginning sounds like just a watered down version of Convention 24, which is no masterpiece. Then the organ stuff - cant say I like it. Granted, those zchicahhh-thingys are funny, but plain sound effects don't make music. And I prefer the beginning of Horizon instead of the one in Part 2. All the rest falls to the category 'good' but I don't see (hear) any heavenly greatness here. > >15-24 min: Ricochet Part 2 > >Why Ricochet? Maybe the worst Virgin years album. The >only good section is >a 'ricochet' in part 2 when a strange sound jumps from >ear to ear. >Regards, > Dmitriy Worst of the Virgin years?? There are many people out there who would disagree. What I find so good in it is its hypnoticness, which is achieved through slightly different, more energic ways as in eg. Rubycon. Part 2 has a great symphony-like melodic structure all the way through - something which is not to be found in the previous albums, and of the latter stuff only Soundmill Navigator, Cherokee Lane and Tangram Set 1 achieve something similar. And, last but not least: great sequences. Phaedra & Rubycon have a style on their own, but it's a bit bass-centered. Ricochet's sequencing is more varied, but it still has the same grinding surreality. Encore also has this good side. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Best Tracks I find Sequent C' (I believe this is the right 'spelling' but that doesn't matter) a true gem, with Baumann's style of mysterious sounds. It's an album ending as excellent as the piano ending of Stratosfear, in Invisible Limits. BTW, as far as I know the sound in there is just Baumann's flute (of course, treated). >>Why Ricochet? Maybe the worst Virgin years album. The only good section is a 'ricochet' in part 2 when a strange sound jumps from >ear to ear. Funny, I've never seen such an opinion about Ricochet. I think Ricochet is TD's ultimate sequences-based album. It has everything: guitar, sequences - varied sequences, not the bass-only sequence of Rubycon or the very discreet and soft sequence of Phaedra- good melodies, piano, strange sounds. About Logos, there's something in there that don't catch much my attention. For me it's just a fine album. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30495 Re: Best Tracks goozergrafx Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30504 Re: Best Tracks armin_theissen Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30522 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB 30523 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 3 KB 30524 Atem Re: Best Tracks Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Ground Liftaz website updated Hi all, It seems that a new TDJ Rome vinyl 45 (GL006) will be released at the beginning of next year, probably available at the Ground Liftaz Christmas party at the Silver Wings Club in Berlin on the 21st December. a. Vermont Curry b. Babe Soda Is this a reference to Jerome's favourite midnight snack? I wonder how many people from this list will consider it 'TD' enough to buy... Paul ---------- >De : 'Peter Ravn' >À : >Objet : [tadream] Ground Liftaz website updated >Date : Mer 5 déc 2001 11:45 > > Hi, > > The Ground Liftaz site has been updated. > > Check http://www.ground-liftaz.de/ > > Cheers, > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: odean@m... Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: Dreamwatcher's Tales artwork Hi, does anyone have the artwork for the discs of this set? I have the artwork for the inserts but not the discs themselves. Maybe they are posted on a website or I could send somone a blank CD-R? Any help would be appreciated. BTW, this is a great collection of music. Thanks, Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30494 Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales artwork Gustavo Jobim Mon 12/10/2001 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Best Tracks In a message dated 12/9/01 7:50:39 AM, oberic01@y... writes: >Cant say I like it also the title sounds >cool(especially in original where >it's written Sequent 'C'). Just a couple of organ >sounds. If I'm not mistaken, >the only Baumann track in TD discography. Don't forget 'Haunted Heights' from the 70/80 set. At least I think that's where it's from. >Why Ricochet? Maybe the worst Virgin years album. The >only good section is >a 'ricochet' in part 2 when a strange sound jumps from >ear to ear. Why Ricochet? Probably 'cause he likes it. It's subjective, man. --Daniel NP: Transatlantic--Bridge Across Forever (I can't get enough of this album) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 12:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales artwork http://www.tadream.net/musos/dwassets/default.htm this is the link to the DWT page in our list's site. you can find the covers there. DWT is indeed a very good collection; I'm looking forward to the second edition. BTW, how's the production of DWT2 going? -GJ playing Klaus Schulze- Ludwig II von Bayern. top classic! btw, many thanks to you who helped me a long time ago giving details and valuable info about many Schulze albums when I was interested in knowing his music and asked the list about it! I now have a good amount of KS albums, most of the albums from the 70s, too. great music in there, lots of inspiration. and I still have those mails about KS's albums printed somewhere! :) >Hi, does anyone have the artwork for the discs of this set? I have the >artwork for the inserts but not the discs themselves. Maybe they are >posted on a website or I could send somone a blank CD-R? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:30 am Subject: Re: Best Tracks The title 'Sequent C'' means 'sequent in the key of C sharp'. It's also not a flute; it's a Mellotron, with treatments. goozer --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I find Sequent C' (I believe this is the right 'spelling' but that doesn't matter) a true gem, with Baumann's style of mysterious sounds. It's an album ending as excellent as the piano ending of Stratosfear, in Invisible Limits. BTW, as far as I know the sound in there is just Baumann's flute (of course, treated). > [...] > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30504 Re: Best Tracks armin_theissen Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB 30522 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB 30523 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 3 KB 30524 Atem Re: Best Tracks Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 6:50 am Subject: Re: united goblin's parade It's not bad track, only... too... damn... SWEET!!! Arrgg....!! Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 6:54 am Subject: RE: [tadream] animals --- John Vertical wrote: > >also a whale sound at the end of Underwater > Sunlight (Song of the Whale > >part > >2?) > > > > > I don't think it's intended to be a whale voice... I > consider it a > re-edition of that one section of Kiew Mission... > > John Vertical It seems that you are in love with Exit... big time... Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:36 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Exit >It seems that you are in love with Exit... big time... > >Regards, >TheInfection > Well, as it was my first encounter with TD.. it still has something special in it. It appears to be quite different from the other albums of that era; Tangram and other previous ones are structurally much more traditional, while Thief & White Eagle (and perhaps Logos as well) are less imaginative... I've never been impressed with Thief, which is somewhat monotonic to me, and White Eagle concentrates more on technical tricks like echoes, weird sound effects, etc. Exit is a real transistion album. It has lots of fresh ideas - but in Le Parc, that style already starts to get tired. The best pieces are no doubt Remote Viewing and Kiew Mission. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30499 Re: Exit TheInfection Mon 12/10/2001 3 KB 30505 Re: Exit gustavojobim@n... Mon 12/10/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:08 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Exit --- John Vertical wrote: > Well, as it was my first encounter with TD.. it > still has something special > in it. > It appears to be quite different from the other > albums of that era; Tangram > and other previous ones are structurally much more > traditional, while Thief > & White Eagle (and perhaps Logos as well) are less > imaginative... I've never > been impressed with Thief, which is somewhat > monotonic to me, Perhaps it's supposed to be monotonic as you say, because it's after all a score for a film. I love Thief myself, but hate and hate Beach Theme and Beach Scene. They are just too romantic for my taste. > and White > Eagle concentrates more on technical tricks like > echoes, weird sound > effects, etc. Technical trick were at that point history. Experimental side of the 70's was almost faded away at that point. > Exit is a real transistion album. It has lots of > fresh ideas - but in Le > Parc, that style already starts to get tired. > > The best pieces are no doubt Remote Viewing and Kiew > Mission. > > John Vertical ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:13 am Subject: last day for your TOP 10 Hi all, this is the last day for your vote of the elctronic Music CD Releases 2001, please send your TOP 10 list to: heiko@o... Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Exit >Perhaps it's supposed to be monotonic as you say, >because it's after all a score for a film. I love >Thief myself, but hate and hate Beach Theme and Beach >Scene. They are just too romantic for my taste. > I make myself a difference between music that is to be heard and music that's to be listened... I don't generally prefer the first category. > >Technical trick were at that point history. >Experimental side of the 70's was almost faded away at >that point. > As I read from a review at Amazon: (It's a bit exagerrated, but so what.) 'It sounds as if Froese & Co. just had bought new equipment and were fooling around with pushing buttons and checking out sound effects now.' That's what I mean. Not that it would be experimental or something... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Exit In a message dated 12/10/2001 4:41:09 AM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > I make myself a difference between music that is to be heard and music > that's to be listened... I don't generally prefer the first category. > > *Is that a zen thing? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:23 am Subject: Re: animals Neandertaler on 'Wahn'... ;-) armin --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > also a whale sound at the end of Underwater Sunlight (Song of the Whale part > 2?) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@B...] > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:01 AM > > To: Synthhtnys@a...; tadream@y... > > Subject: Re: [tadream] animals > > > > > > What an odd thread... > > > > I think there is a cat sound on GC or TOB > > And a whale sound in Legend > > > > >>> Synthhtnys@a... 12/08/01 05:52 AM >>> > > In a message dated 12/8/2001 3:30:14 AM Central Standard Time, > > johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > > >Regards, > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > *Ambient Monkeys has tons of FX...... running all the way through the > > songs... > > Poly From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:26 am Subject: Re: Best Tracks C sharp???? the ' after the C (or any note) denotes the octave, so still C and no sharp.... am I wrong? armin --- In tadream@y..., 'goozergrafx' wrote: > The title 'Sequent C'' means 'sequent in the key of C sharp'. It's also not a flute; it's a Mellotron, with treatments. > > goozer > > --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > I find Sequent C' (I believe this is the right 'spelling' but that doesn't matter) a true gem, with Baumann's style of mysterious sounds. It's an album ending as excellent as the piano ending of Stratosfear, in Invisible Limits. BTW, as far as I know the sound in there is just Baumann's flute (of course, treated). > > > [...] > > Gustavo Jobim > > gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30522 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB 30523 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 3 KB 30524 Atem Re: Best Tracks Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: gustavojobim@n... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Exit I just love White Eagle, but it was the first TD album I bought (the first encounter was Pergamon, weeks before, when I heard it on a store). What got me hooked on TD was Midnight in Tula! I believe most TD fans regard their first TD album very highly, specially it it's from 74-87. > Well, as it was my first encounter with TD.. it still has something special in it. It appears to be quite different from the other albums of that era; Tangram and other previous ones are structurally much more traditional, while Thief & White Eagle (and perhaps Logos as well) are less imaginative... I've never been impressed with Thief, which is somewhat monotonic to me, and White Eagle concentrates more on technical tricks like echoes, weird sound effects, etc. From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: White Eagle - Mojave Plain I love this track from White Eagle - I think the opening is particularly great. It appears to have been played on the 1981 UK tour and I wonder if anyone knows if it was studio material played live, or if the tour was recorded and then refined in the studio for release ? Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30525 Re: White Eagle - Mojave Plain Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: tweibre361@a... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1139 Anyone know what TD's involvement is with The Kumba Mela Experiment album 'East of the River Ganges' on Liquid Sound Design? thanks tom w np: ofra haza - greatest hits [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Dmitriy V N Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: Re: best tracks >Isn't it a flute? Anyway, it's a good clip of wistfulness. That's my big problem - I know very little about electronic instruments... >Impressions of Sorcerer didn't quite impress me... A very outstanding screaming track and an important part of the powerful Sorcerer album. >When it comes to Logos, I'm not _that_ terrified. That one section around >20-25 minutes is brilliant - but that's about it. First, there's too much >repetition there and here. In my opinion, on the contrary, not as much repetition as in many other albums. The beginning part is really a weak point. >The beginning sounds like just a watered down >version of Convention 24, which is no masterpiece. How do you spot all this connections between tracks? I consider every album as an independent creation. >Then the organ stuff - cant say I like it. I can! >Granted, those zchicahhh-thingys are funny, but plain >sound effects don't make music. Calling them 'plain sound effects' doesn't mean they are bad! It's the best part of Logos part 1 . Another piece of music that sounds like screaming - don't exactly know why, but I like this two. And also that fine sound like somebody is sharpening a knife. There is also a wonderful remix of this section - The Comfort Zone. >Worst of the Virgin years?? There are many people out there who would >disagree. I slightly exaggerated. In fact the worst is Pergamon, then Cyclone and only after them Ricochet. >What I find so good in it is its hypnoticness, which is achieved >through slightly different, more energic ways as in eg. Rubycon. Part 2 has >a great symphony-like melodic structure all the way through - something >which is not to be found in the previous albums, and of the latter stuff >only Soundmill Navigator, Cherokee Lane and Tangram Set 1 achieve something >similar. And, last but not least: great sequences. Phaedra & Rubycon have a >style on their own, but it's a bit bass-centered. Ricochet's sequencing is >more varied, but it still has the same grinding surreality. Encore also has >this good side. > >John Vertical > Maybe the sequences are really great but they dont have neither atmospheric darkness of Phaedra nor the Sound and Power of Rubicon... Maybe I just cant catch the main idea, that sometimes happens with electronic albums. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: mailing list members Every time I sign in the number of list members is different from previous time! It varies between 439 and 444. Looks like ebery day at least one person is subscribing or unsubscribing :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: mp3 Use mp3 players! They are very convenient. Since 80% of tadream material in Moscow is available in mp3 only, I myself bought a RioVolt. I now take it almost everywhere I go. It can work up to 15 hours on one pair of AA batteries. Another advantage is that it can read CD-RW so you dont have to take more than one disc with you. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 2:14 am Subject: Tour coming to Seattle Hi, Have anyone managed to book tickets for Seattle's Showbox event? I might be slow, but neither Ticketmaster nor Fastixx have them on sale. Today I found only the date on musictoday.com: March 1st. Is it time to start getting nervous? Thank you, Andrei Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30514 Re: Tour coming to Seattle Michael Jean Mon 12/10/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 2:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] animals haha- had to happen eventually... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@B...] > What an odd thread... From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: RE: animals The children on Phaedra and Le Parc might mix in nice. 5teve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tour coming to Seattle No,...If you can;t by them, neither can anyone else...Some tickets don;t go on sale until a few weeks before the event. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> mobile@f... 12/04/01 09:14PM >>> Hi, Have anyone managed to book tickets for Seattle's Showbox event? I might be slow, but neither Ticketmaster nor Fastixx have them on sale. Today I found only the date on musictoday.com: March 1st. Is it time to start getting nervous? Thank you, Andrei ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: OT actually King Crimson > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 09:47:56 -0800 > From: 'tei waz' > >From: odean@m... > >Cool, I'll be seeing King Crimson this Sunday night in New Haven, CT. I've >seen them many times and they never fail to amaze. Interestingly enough >when I saw them last year, they were using the drummer from that 80's group >'Mr. Mister.' He was good but he WASN'T Bruford!< > >Well they are amazingly scary right now--especially the new pieces :) >Missed this leg of the tour with johnpauljones (first time since 1984 that I >missed them), but saw them twice (SF & LA) opening for TOOL a few months >back. > >--T They put on a good show in Boston, Sat. night. First time that I've seen them with Trey Gunn. What an amazing guitarist! The set consisted entirely of newer stuff, nothing older than 'THRAK', except for one encore. JPJ was good, too. An eclectic mix of instrumentals, few vocals, plus a couple of Led Zep tunes. He did a killer version of 'When the levee breaks.' All in all, an enjoyable show. Highly recommended. -Erik From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:31 pm Subject: Re: White Eagle and sound effects In a message dated 12/10/01 5:41:10 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >As I read from a review at Amazon: (It's a bit exagerrated, but so what.) >'It sounds as if Froese & Co. just had bought new equipment and were fooling >around with pushing buttons and checking out sound effects now.' A bit funny considering that some of those sound effects seem to have come from the venerable Mellotron (note how some of them show up in Ricochet). --Daniel NP: Edguy--Mandrake Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30520 Re: White Eagle and sound effects John Vertical Tue 12/11/2001 3 KB From: Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: united goblin's parade >From: TheInfection >It's not bad track, only... too... damn... SWEET!!! Like, say, 'Cinnamon Road'? - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30521 Re: united goblin's parade TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:47 pm Subject: kumba mela experiment east of the river ganges and TD--or not! tom w wrote: >Anyone know what TD's involvement is with The Kumba Mela Experiment album 'East of the River Ganges' on Liquid Sound Design?< I do know now that the disc arrived Saturday--TD's involvement consists of Klaus Shultz [sic] on the eighth track (see np below) of the disc. --T np what else? interstellar hiss sky is on fire dub _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: vic rek Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:34 am Subject: New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate Thanks to a tip by James Owens, I bought the new release of: 'Baldur's Gate - The Original Saga'. The box cover states 'Free Inside! Original Soundtrack' So I open the box and find 4 CDs. Three are for the games and the fourth one reads: 'Baldur's Gate - The Original Saga - Soundtrack - Music by Michael Hoenig' All right! Another Hoenig soundtrack that is symphonic, but quite good. This is not the same soundtrack recently mentioned that came with a collector's edition of Baldur's Gate II. But the strange thing is that each of them have 33 tracks (Baldur's Gate II has 34, but one is a PC track), but either not in the same order or possibly not the same tracks/mix because I did a quick scan and I didn't locate the first track on both soundtracks. . . but I have not had a chance to compare in detail. I'll be giving it a better listen soon but it would be nice to hear some more comments/reactions. Get yourself an early Christmas present! I bought mine for $30 at Best Buy. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30607 Re: New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate vic rek Fri 12/14/2001 2 KB 30621 Re: New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate koulos Sun 12/16/2001 2 KB 30622 Re: New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate vic rek Sun 12/16/2001 2 KB 30641 Re: New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate Owens, James Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB 30678 Re: New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: White Eagle and sound effects > >As I read from a review at Amazon: (It's a bit exagerrated, but so what.) > >'It sounds as if Froese & Co. just had bought new equipment and were >fooling > >around with pushing buttons and checking out sound effects now.' > >A bit funny considering that some of those sound effects seem to have come >from the venerable Mellotron (note how some of them show up in Ricochet). > >--Daniel >NP: Edguy--Mandrake Not that the sound effects themselves would be bad - they're just slightly overused on some points, mainly in Midnight In Tula. The very sharp voices also make this album a bit hard to approach if one doesn't already like electronic music. Then, the album is indeed very fun to listen, but it seems to lack a definite highlight in terms of depth... The beginning of the final section in Mojave Plan (the one with the blurred speech) is quite promising, but as the vigorous melody kicks in after a minute or two, the whole thing gets again too shallow. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: TheInfection Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:11 am Subject: Re: united goblin's parade --- moxica@m... wrote: > >From: TheInfection > >It's not bad track, only... too... damn... > SWEET!!! > > Like, say, 'Cinnamon Road'? > > - jim Actually... no. I like Cinnamon Road. It's groovy. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:53 am Subject: Re: Best Tracks Current Top 10 tracks from me: 01. Rubycon Part 1 02. Diamond Diary 03. Cloudburst Flight 04. Thru Metamorphic Rocks 05. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola 06. Grind 08: Bent Cold Sidewalk 09. Comet's Figure Head 10. Atem And here's current Top 10 albums: 01. Rubycon 02. Force Majeure 03. Alpha Centauri 04. Sorcerer 05. Green Desert 06. Thief 07. Cyclone 08. Live Miles 09. White Eagle 10. Encore NP - Pink Floyd: Echoes (from Meddle) Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30523 Re: Best Tracks TheInfection Tue 12/11/2001 3 KB 30524 Atem Re: Best Tracks Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/11/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: Best Tracks I decided to say something about these ten tracks I happened to chose... 01. Rubycon Part 1 My second TD album. First six minutes are quite wonderful. It's full of water-like sounds and floating themes running. Is there sounds of whales somewhere? Then the booming sequence begins and the whole world is fullfilled with rythm and depth. (Uh, isn't that poetic! ;-) 02. Diamond Diary Sequences. Fast and furious, I say. 10 minutes of glory. One of the best songs along side with the albums from 80's TD. 03. Cloudburst Flight Classic track. Fast, chaotic and then it slides nicely into somewhat calmer flute melody. 04. Thru Metamorphic Rocks/Igneous Guitar solo is catchy. And the end is the greatest mistake TD has done. It evolves and grows when the end comes closer. It has to be listened very loud. 05. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola Electronic start of TD. Energetic drum bashing from Chris. Descripes much better the fly of a comet than Comet's Figure Head. 06. Grind Classic track. I won't have to say anything about it. You all know it, you all love it. 08: Bent Cold Sidewalk Great track. Vocals are great. Not perfect, but great. 09. Comet's Figure Head First real sign from 90's albums, that Edgar has some creativity left in his sleeve. 10. Atem Start is cool. After five minutes, it becomes slow ambient and doesn't hold much interest. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:27 pm Subject: Atem Re: Best Tracks Atem is such a big disappointment for me. The introduction is one of TD's finest moments in the early years, with its simple and effective melody and energetic drumming. then it's just a huge, disappointing ocean of endless embient. Then you have 2 more tracks of the same ambient, and then Wahn, which after its crazy intro is another fantastic track. What I like in Atem is the intro and the ending. The rest I've already got in Zeit, which I find excellent, although I rarely listen to it (because it's so damn hard to listen to). > 10. Atem From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: Re: White Eagle - Mojave Plain A long (25+ minutes, or 26? 29?) version has been played on the concert known as Rätikon, in Melbourne, 1982. I don't remember the date now. I actually don't like this version much, there's one of the original timbres missing in there. But it's a fine concert recording, I recommend it. GJ > I love this track from White Eagle - I think the opening is > particularly great. It appears to have been played on the 1981 UK tour > and I wonder if anyone knows if it was studio material played live, or > if the tour was recorded and then refined in the studio for release ? > > Toby From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: best tracks > >Isn't it a flute? Anyway, it's a good clip of >wistfulness. > >That's my big problem - I know very little about >electronic instruments... > Electronics can be very hard to recognize - in fact, I'm not yet even sure just what exactly does a Mellotron sound (if it has some certain character...?), and I realized recently (with the aid of a certain review) that the outro of Mojave Plan is not an organ, but instead synth strings... > >Impressions of Sorcerer didn't quite impress me... > >A very outstanding screaming track and an important >part of the >powerful Sorcerer album. > Say what you say - I don't get it. It's not among Edgar's best guitar pieces, nor is the rhytm outstanding in any way. > >When it comes to Logos, I'm not _that_ terrified. >That one section around > >20-25 minutes is brilliant - but that's about it. >First, there's too much > >repetition there and here. > >In my opinion, on the contrary, not as much repetition >as in many other albums. >The beginning part is really a weak point. > Specifically, which albums?? The dark section we're discussing below, the 2nd to last section and Dominion are somewhat repetive to my taste. I think that repetition of a theme (ie. not just plain melody) is a bigger sin than repetition of the basic rhytm... usually. > >The beginning sounds like just a watered down > >version of Convention 24, which is no masterpiece. > >How do you spot all this connections between tracks? I >consider every >album as an independent creation. > You have to be good at something... Other thing I've been lately wondering is that one melody in Monolight, right before the Stratosfear theme starts - I really think it's familiar from somewhere else. > >Then the organ stuff - cant say I like it. > >I can! > > >Granted, those zchicahhh-thingys are funny, but plain > > >sound effects don't make music. > >Calling them 'plain sound effects' doesn't mean they >are bad! It's the best >part of Logos part 1 . Well, I listened to that recently. It's not that bad, but I still wouldn't say it's the best section. >Another piece of music that >sounds like screaming - >don't exactly know why, but I like this two. What piece? >And also >that fine sound like >somebody is sharpening a knife. If I guess right which one you mean - yes, it is fine. >Maybe the sequences are really great but they dont >have neither atmospheric darkness of Phaedra nor the >Sound and Power of Rubicon... >Maybe I just cant catch the main idea, that sometimes >happens with >electronic albums. > >Regards, > Dmitriy Let's see... No, the sequences aren't as emotic as before - but they're still as intense and rhytmic without sounding too commercial. (as the rhytms of eg. Le Parc do) And I'd say that they're not even meant to have the main role, they're just one factor. The numerous simultaneously playing melodies are an as important part too each. Ricochet clearly does not have the same musical target as Phaedra & Rubycon, it's already something else. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30561 Re: Impressions of Sorcerer TheInfection Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Atem Re: Best Tracks >Atem is such a big disappointment for me. The introduction is one of TD's >finest moments in the early years, with its simple and effective melody and >energetic drumming. then it's just a huge, disappointing ocean of endless >embient. Then you have 2 more tracks of the same ambient, and then Wahn, >which after its crazy intro is another fantastic track. What I like in Atem >is the intro and the ending. The rest I've already got in Zeit, which I >find >excellent, although I rarely listen to it (because it's so damn hard to >listen to). > I about agree with all those descriptions by TheInfection (but are you obsessed with comets or what?) but I have to disagree when it comes to Atem. Yes, I like too the the pompous beginning, especially its Egyptian hues and that blurring noise towards the end. But I like the rest better. I consider it anti-space music; while Zeit was description of emptiness (which the title track describes actually better than pure silence) Atem is a description of unemptiness. There clearly is something, though it looks empty... It's like a big almost empty minimalistic industrial storage hall - but where clearly is something besides you. No rather, nanoscopic view of void; undeterminable vibrating quantum fluctuations, something out of nothing. Or slowly but steadily flowing -- objects of unrelative size. This is something beyond the otherworldly feeling of eg. Phaedra - it is something else than anything. It's something from somewhere without existence but something similar, something beyond matter, energy and dimension.... a metaphysical symphony of great philosophic value... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30562 Re: Atem TheInfection Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:47 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron In a message dated 12/11/01 10:25:12 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >Electronics can be very hard to recognize - in fact, I'm not yet even sure >just what exactly does a Mellotron sound (if it has some certain >character...?) The Mellotron is an unwieldy mechanical keyboard instrument that plays back prerecorded tape loops on racks, with one tape for each key. So you could have a rack of strings, a rack of flutes, etc. I'm pretty sure most of the strings, flutes, bells and choral voices heard in TD's music during the mid- to late '70s come from the Mellotron. --Daniel NP: Spahn Ranch--Closure Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30536 Re: Mellotron armin_theissen Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB 30648 Re: Mellotron mkljssl Mon 12/17/2001 6 KB From: KMJ Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron >The Mellotron is an unwieldy mechanical keyboard instrument that plays back >prerecorded tape loops on racks, with one tape for each key. So you could >have a rack of strings, a rack of flutes, etc. > >I'm pretty sure most of the strings, flutes, bells and choral voices heard in >TD's music during the mid- to late '70s come from the Mellotron. That's a pretty good description of a Mellotron. But, some of the more 'digital' sounds from the late 70's came from a very early prototype of the PPG. Kevin From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: Result of your vote (TOP 10) Hi all, here are the result (only the first 5 places) of your vote for the elctronic Music CD Release of the year 2001 1 Klaus Schulze - Live @ Klangart (CD 2) 108 2 Tangerine Dream - Dream Mixes III 95 3 Klaus Schulze - Live @ Klangart (CD 1) 91 4 Arcane - Alterstill 85 5 Dom F. Scab - Binary secrets 67 all other places you can found under: www.opticaldream.de Thank you to all list senders all over the world. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: update: www.opticaldream.de Hi again, also is my Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de modifizied. Thank you for your visit. heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: odean@m... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 12:41 am Subject: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate >Thanks to a tip by James Owens, I bought the new release of: >'Baldur's Gate - The Original Saga'. > >The box cover states 'Free Inside! Original Soundtrack' > >So I open the box and find 4 CDs. Three are for the games and the >fourth one reads: > >'Baldur's Gate - The Original Saga - Soundtrack - Music by Michael >Hoenig' > >All right! Another Hoenig soundtrack that is symphonic, but quite good. >Vic OK Vic, so the question remains. Did you buy this just for the music CD or do you also play the games on your PC? ;-) Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30534 Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Bald vic rek Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB 30535 Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Bald Yannick EDOM Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB 30545 Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Bald vic rek Wed 12/12/2001 3 KB 30549 Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Bald moxica@m... Wed 12/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 1:24 am Subject: RE: animals And the eagle from the White Eagle album. It may sound like a whale or alien but it has the intonation of an eagle. 5teve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30563 Re: animals TheInfection Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:49 am Subject: Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate > > OK Vic, so the question remains. Did you buy this just for the music CD or > do you also play the games on your PC? ;-) > For the music of course. The game CDs go to my son, after he's made a 'backup' of the originals :-) From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate HI there > > For the music of course. > The game CDs go to my son, after he's made a 'backup' of the originals :-) > Vic, is this soundtrack (from the original saga box) different than the one included in the premium pack of Baldur's gate 2 ? Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:35 am Subject: Re: Mellotron yes, it has got such a characteristic sound, you spot it immediately anywhere it is played. a. --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/01 10:25:12 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >Electronics can be very hard to recognize - in fact, I'm not yet even sure > >just what exactly does a Mellotron sound (if it has some certain > >character...?) > > The Mellotron is an unwieldy mechanical keyboard instrument that plays back > prerecorded tape loops on racks, with one tape for each key. So you could > have a rack of strings, a rack of flutes, etc. > > I'm pretty sure most of the strings, flutes, bells and choral voices heard in > TD's music during the mid- to late '70s come from the Mellotron. > > --Daniel > NP: Spahn Ranch--Closure From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron Hmmmm.... odd that we've gotten this far into this discussion without anyone mentioning the single most important Mellotron recording of all time!!! Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Hang on.) Sorry about that I had to bow down in the direction of my copy. Peace out Poly From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:49 am Subject: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (Was Re: Best Tracks) On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:53:43 -0800 (PST) TheInfection writes: > 04. Thru Metamorphic Rocks/Igneous > Guitar solo is catchy. And the end is the greatest > mistake TD has done. It evolves and grows when the > end comes closer. It has to be listened very loud. What do you mean by 'the greatest mistake TD has done? 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' is my all-time favorite Tangerine Dream track (and I find 'Igneous' to be a very pale rendition). > Regards, > TheInfection Steven . . . The Man-Woman Whose Woman is Finally Able to Live http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30542 Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/12/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron > Hmmmm.... odd that we've gotten this far into this discussion without anyone > mentioning the single most important Mellotron recording of all time!!! > > Epsilon in Malaysian Pale is Epsilon in Malaysian pale the only recording which solely consists of music made by a Mellotron? So far I only heard the Mellotron as accompanying instrument (best example would be early King Crimson, Genesis, Moody Blues etc.) Heiko From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron is Epsilon in Malaysian pale the only recording which solely consists of music made by a Mellotron? Heiko * I'm not aware of another one that is solely 'Tron. Musicologists speak up now if there is! Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30556 Re: Mellotron mars103nl Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:39 am Subject: Mellotron re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:06:56 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes: > is Epsilon in Malaysian pale the only recording which solely consists > of music made by a Mellotron? > Heiko > > * I'm not aware of another one that is solely 'Tron. > Musicologists speak up now if there is! But there is sequencer on EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, is there not? And as far as I know, a Mellotron could not/cannot play sequences. > Poly Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30544 Re: Mellotron re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE Synthhtnys@a... Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB 30548 Re: Mellotron re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE armin_theissen Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' I bought Force Majeure a Long Time Ago because of TMR - I was curious about that equipment malfunction the official site told about. Since I first heard it it has been my favourite TD album! I find every minute of Majeure excellent, specially that sequence that begins at 6:45 in the title track, and goes till around 9:20. I just jump with that sequence! I first heard TMR at night, before going to sleep, lights turned off in my bedroom: what an unforgettable moment, with all those really creepy sounds! I find both albums from that period, when the band was Froese/Franke with K.Krüger on drums, excellent, with their progressive rock edge. I wish there was more of that... >> 04. Thru Metamorphic Rocks/Igneous >> Guitar solo is catchy. And the end is the greatest >> mistake TD has done. It evolves and grows when the >> end comes closer. It has to be listened very loud. > > What do you mean by 'the greatest mistake TD has > done? 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' is my all-time > favorite Tangerine Dream track (and I find 'Igneous' to > be a very pale rendition). From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' > I find both albums from that period, when the band was Froese/Franke with K.Krüger on > drums, excellent, with their progressive rock edge. I wish there was more of that... ..and how I wish TD would not have cancelled their 'Force Majeure' German concert tour which was already booked for March/April 1979. Just imagine an improvised live version of the title track or of 'Cloudburst flight' (and a few people in the audience taping the shows)....argghh!!! Heiko From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mellotron re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE But there is sequencer on EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, is there not? And as far as I know, a Mellotron could not/cannot play sequences. > Poly Steven Feldman *Good point! It is extremely heavy on 'Tron, but not 'solely' I think the sound at the beginning of side one was put through some kind of synth filter also... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30548 Re: Mellotron re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE armin_theissen Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 12:30 pm Subject: Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate Yes, this is different than the one included in Baldur's Gate 2. The CD comes in a plain sleeve with no inserts, but has 'Music by Michael Hoenig' printed on the disc. Yannick EDOM wrote: > HI there > > > > For the music of course. > > The game CDs go to my son, after he's made a 'backup' of the originals :-) > > > > Vic, is this soundtrack (from the original saga box) different than the one > included in the premium pack of Baldur's gate 2 ? > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: John McIntyre Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron quarlie@a... wrote: > The Mellotron is an unwieldy mechanical keyboard instrument that plays back > prerecorded tape loops on racks, with one tape for each key. So you could > have a rack of strings, a rack of flutes, etc. Nit-pick time. It was the Chamberlin that used tape loops. The Mellotron uses straight strips of tape about eight seconds in length. If you don't lift up on the key before your eight seconds are up, the note runs out. Yes, there is one tape for each key, but each tape has three sounds, selected by an A-B-C switch, so each rack has three sounds. For example, currently loaded in my Mellotron is a rack with the Ian McDonald flute, Tony Levin cello, and Les Bradley Gothic. The Gothic was a mistake where sounds that were supposed to go on different tracks got all mixed together, but Les decided he liked the result. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:07 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron In a message dated 12/12/01 8:25:21 AM, mcintyre@p... writes: >It was the Chamberlin that used tape loops. The Mellotron uses straight >strips of tape about eight seconds in >length. If you don't lift up on the key before your eight seconds are >up, the note runs out. Ah, of course. I remember reading somewhere about the eight-second limit. Thanks for the correction. (Does the Chamberlin share the Mellotron's characteristic sound?) >Yes, there is one tape for each >key, but each tape has three sounds, selected by an A-B-C switch, so each rack has >three sounds. Didn't know that. Cool. --Daniel (hoping for a copy of M-Tron this Christmas) NP: Dream Theater--Awake From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:11 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE well, for a couple of seconds it can - you have to record a sequence on it! and then keep on hitting a key, and - voila - you've got a complete sequence! Its even much easier to transpose it to different keys than with a 'real' sequencer!!! And to add voices, so you have a sequencer plus a harmonizer in one!!!! Hey man, mellotrons rule! ;-) armin --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > But there is sequencer on EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, > is there not? And as far as I know, a Mellotron could > not/cannot play sequences. > > > Poly > > Steven Feldman > > *Good point! It is extremely heavy on 'Tron, but not 'solely' I think the > sound at the beginning of side one was put through some kind of synth filter > also... > Poly From: Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate Is the music different, as well? -jim ----Original Message----- >From: vic rek >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subj: Re: Fwd: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate >Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:30 AM > >Yes, this is different than the one included in Baldur's Gate 2. The CD comes in a plain sleeve with no inserts, but has >'Music by Michael Hoenig' printed on the disc. > >Yannick EDOM wrote: > >> HI there >> > >> > For the music of course. >> > The game CDs go to my son, after he's made a 'backup' of the originals :-) >> > >> >> Vic, is this soundtrack (from the original saga box) different than the one >> included in the premium pack of Baldur's gate 2 ? >> >> Yannick Edom >> Mirage Créations >> Champlain B7 A 101 >> 47 Chemin de Pelleport >> 31500 TOULOUSE >> FRANCE >> >> e-mail : yannick.edom@s... >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron >From: quarlie@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Mellotron >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:07:30 EST > >In a message dated 12/12/01 8:25:21 AM, mcintyre@p... writes: > > >It was the Chamberlin that used tape loops. The Mellotron uses straight > >strips of tape about eight seconds in > >length. If you don't lift up on the key before your eight seconds are > >up, the note runs out. > >Ah, of course. I remember reading somewhere about the eight-second limit. >Thanks for the correction. (Does the Chamberlin share the Mellotron's >characteristic sound?) Yjj... Could I still get an example of what is that character? Some good examples of Mellotron usage from some more common recordings, please? I'd guess that the intro of Phaedra or the additional sounds beneath Edgar's guitar solo in Pergamon - are those Mellotron? Can it virtually sound like about anything, or... okay, I'll stop the question mark overflow... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron LORD HAVE MERCY.... Are computers supposed to find stuff for you automatically now?! Try this link: http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aphex/113/ Yjj... Could I still get an example of what is that character? Some good examples of Mellotron usage from some more common recordings, please? I'd guess that the intro of Phaedra or the additional sounds beneath Edgar's guitar solo in Pergamon - are those Mellotron? Can it virtually sound like about anything, or... okay, I'll stop the question mark overflow... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Through Metamorphic Rocks >I bought Force Majeure a Long Time Ago because of TMR - I was curious about >that equipment malfunction the official site told about. Since I first >heard >it it has been my favourite TD album! I find every minute of Majeure >excellent, specially that sequence that begins at 6:45 in the title track, >and goes till around 9:20. I just jump with that sequence! I also like pretty much everything in FM - except just that one section you like. I really get annoyed by that sequence... Oddly, the brighter remix at the end is not bad at all. >I first heard TMR >at night, before going to sleep, lights turned off in my bedroom: what an >unforgettable moment, with all those really creepy sounds! I find both >albums from that period, when the band was Froese/Franke with K.Krüger on >drums, excellent, with their progressive rock edge. I wish there was more >of >that... > > >> 04. Thru Metamorphic Rocks/Igneous > >> Guitar solo is catchy. And the end is the greatest > >> mistake TD has done. It evolves and grows when the > >> end comes closer. It has to be listened very loud. > > Loud. Indeed. I usually start to drop the volume when the guitar part starts fading out - and when the first inhuman clashes pop up, I quickly turn the volume to maximum. It hits better that way. The best voices are those heavily processed human moanings at about nine minutes... The fade between the first section and the guitar solo is impressive; it's at the same time very drastic and smooth - sort of like the middle joint of Hyperborea (NP) > > What do you mean by 'the greatest mistake TD has > > done? 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' is my all-time > > favorite Tangerine Dream track (and I find 'Igneous' to > > be a very pale rendition). I guess he means that that mistake turned actually out great. Of course I could also be wrong... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30565 Re: Through Metamorphic Rocks TheInfection Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB 30590 Re: Through Metamorphic Rocks Joe Shoults Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron John Vertical wrote: > Yjj... Could I still get an example of what is that character? Some good > examples of Mellotron usage from some more common recordings, please? > Can it virtually sound like about anything, or... okay, I'll stop the question mark overflow... It's tape based so it can sound like anything you can record on tape. As for common recordings, anything by King Crimson up until the Belew-era, anything by the Moody Blues that has Mike Pinder on it (except for _Days Of Future Passed_ where they used an orchestra), the intro to 'Watcher Of The Skies' by Genesis, etc. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30647 Re: Mellotron mkljssl Mon 12/17/2001 6 KB From: ampmusic Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron armin_theissen wrote: > well, for a couple of seconds it can - you have to record > a sequence on it! and then keep on hitting a key, and > - voila - you've got a complete sequence! Its even much > easier to transpose it to different keys than with a 'real' > sequencer!!! And to add voices, so you have a sequencer > plus a harmonizer in one!!!! Hey man, mellotrons rule! > > ;-) Errrrrr. you can't record with a Mellotron. You couldn't even use a conventional tape machine to make up new tapes for it, since it didn't use quarter inch tape but (I think) custom 3/8th inch tape. TD used to send sounds on tape to Streetly Electronics in Birmingham who manufactured the Mellotron, and they made up new tape sets to order. Hence the possibility of TD playing very complex sounds (the bouncing echoed mechanical twang on 'Ricochet', and the screaming cat noise later used by CF for instance), live on stage long before digital samplers were available. Note though that these would usually only be on ONE KEY each; when Streetly wanted to make up a set of flute sounds, someone would have to play a flute at each pitch, because the ability to varispeed recordings was limited. Unless TD did so with their custom synth sounds, which seems unlikely, they would purely be available at the one pitch at which they were recorded. Despite this, when early digital samplers came out with 8-bit resolution and one or two second sampling time, TD could afford to be unimpressed, pointing out that they already had a 'sampler' with very high resolution and eight second sampling. So the Mellotron was a great proto-sampler. But as a substitute for a sequencer it would be a dead loss. You would have to make up a whole set of tapes, with the same sequence at different pitches on each one, and there's always a little delay while the Mellotron tape heads move into place when you play a note, so the timing would be lousy... :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30560 Re: Mellotron armin_theissen Thu 12/13/2001 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron How right 'ampmusic' is on this. Today one would just use a sampler and or a computer program to simulate the effect a mellotron produces. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron > > armin_theissen wrote: > > > well, for a couple of seconds it can - you have to record > > a sequence on it! and then keep on hitting a key, and > > - voila - you've got a complete sequence! Its even much > > easier to transpose it to different keys than with a 'real' > > sequencer!!! And to add voices, so you have a sequencer > > plus a harmonizer in one!!!! Hey man, mellotrons rule! > > > > ;-) > > Errrrrr. you can't record with a Mellotron. You couldn't even use a conventional tape machine to make up new tapes for it, > since it didn't use quarter inch tape but (I think) custom 3/8th inch tape. TD used to send sounds on tape to Streetly > Electronics in Birmingham who manufactured the Mellotron, and they made up new tape sets to order. Hence the possibility of TD > playing very complex sounds (the bouncing echoed mechanical twang on 'Ricochet', and the screaming cat noise later used by CF > for instance), live on stage long before digital samplers were available. Note though that these would usually only be on ONE > KEY each; when Streetly wanted to make up a set of flute sounds, someone would have to play a flute at each pitch, because the > ability to varispeed recordings was limited. Unless TD did so with their custom synth sounds, which seems unlikely, they would > purely be available at the one pitch at which they were recorded. > > Despite this, when early digital samplers came out with 8-bit resolution and one or two second sampling time, TD could afford > to be unimpressed, pointing out that they already had a 'sampler' with very high resolution and eight second sampling. So the > Mellotron was a great proto-sampler. But as a substitute for a sequencer it would be a dead loss. You would have to make up a > whole set of tapes, with the same sequence at different pitches on each one, and there's always a little delay while the > Mellotron tape heads move into place when you play a note, so the timing would be lousy... :-) > > From: 'mars103nl' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:39 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron > is Epsilon in Malaysian pale the only recording which solely consists of > music made by a Mellotron? > Heiko > > * I'm not aware of another one that is solely 'Tron. > Musicologists speak up now if there is! > Poly Well Epsilon is definitely not completely 'Tron. It does have a lot of it in it and it is a wonderful album which was never done again in that way by Edgar. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:44 am Subject: Re: Mellotron In a message dated 12/12/01 1:54:36 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: >Yjj... Could I still get an example of what is that character? Some good >examples of Mellotron usage from some more common recordings, please? I'll take some examples from Rubycon, my personal favorite. In part one, check out: The floating, ambient strings that fade in around 2:05 The soaring string line that enters at 7:48 The oboe-like line at 9:03 And in part two: The voices at 2:20 The flute at 12:47 I'm pretty sure those are all coming from the 'tron. There are lots of other examples, but those are the sounds I think of when I hear the word Mellotron. --Daniel NP: Rubycon (you may have guessed) From: ampmusic Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/12/01 1:54:36 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >Yjj... Could I still get an example of what is that character? Some good > >examples of Mellotron usage from some more common recordings, please? > > I'll take some examples from Rubycon, my personal favorite. > > In part one, check out: > The floating, ambient strings that fade in around 2:05 > The soaring string line that enters at 7:48 > The oboe-like line at 9:03 > > And in part two: > The voices at 2:20 > The flute at 12:47 > > I'm pretty sure those are all coming from the 'tron. There are lots of other > examples, but those are the sounds I think of when I hear the word Mellotron. > > --Daniel > NP: Rubycon (you may have guessed) > You're quite right on all those. On the string sound played solo at 7.48 you can hear very clearly the distinctive clicky start of each note as the tape head hits the tape. You can't play really fast solos on a Mellotron because it doesn't react quickly enough, but for slowish solos like those flute and oboe parts it's OK... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron > > >Yjj... Could I still get an example of what is that character? Some >good > > >examples of Mellotron usage from some more common recordings, please? > > > > I'll take some examples from Rubycon, my personal favorite. > > > > In part one, check out: > > The floating, ambient strings that fade in around 2:05 > > The soaring string line that enters at 7:48 > > The oboe-like line at 9:03 > > > > And in part two: > > The voices at 2:20 > > The flute at 12:47 > > > > I'm pretty sure those are all coming from the 'tron. There are lots of >other > > examples, but those are the sounds I think of when I hear the word >Mellotron. > > > > --Daniel > > NP: Rubycon (you may have guessed) > > > >You're quite right on all those. On the string sound played solo at 7.48 >you can hear very clearly the distinctive clicky >start of each note as the tape head hits the tape. You can't play really >fast solos on a Mellotron because it doesn't react >quickly enough, but for slowish solos like those flute and oboe parts it's >OK... > Thanks people - I think I finally got it... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: Mellotron Hi, thanks for the details - most of it I was aware of (timing, limited varying speed...). I was a bit ' ;-) ' ;-) a. --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > > armin_theissen wrote: > > > well, for a couple of seconds it can - you have to record > > a sequence on it! and then keep on hitting a key, and > > - voila - you've got a complete sequence! Its even much > > easier to transpose it to different keys than with a 'real' > > sequencer!!! And to add voices, so you have a sequencer > > plus a harmonizer in one!!!! Hey man, mellotrons rule! > > > > ;-) > > Errrrrr. you can't record with a Mellotron. You couldn't even use a conventional tape machine to make up new tapes for it, > since it didn't use quarter inch tape but (I think) custom 3/8th inch tape. TD used to send sounds on tape to Streetly > Electronics in Birmingham who manufactured the Mellotron, and they made up new tape sets to order. Hence the possibility of TD > playing very complex sounds (the bouncing echoed mechanical twang on 'Ricochet', and the screaming cat noise later used by CF > for instance), live on stage long before digital samplers were available. Note though that these would usually only be on ONE > KEY each; when Streetly wanted to make up a set of flute sounds, someone would have to play a flute at each pitch, because the > ability to varispeed recordings was limited. Unless TD did so with their custom synth sounds, which seems unlikely, they would > purely be available at the one pitch at which they were recorded. > > Despite this, when early digital samplers came out with 8-bit resolution and one or two second sampling time, TD could afford > to be unimpressed, pointing out that they already had a 'sampler' with very high resolution and eight second sampling. So the > Mellotron was a great proto-sampler. But as a substitute for a sequencer it would be a dead loss. You would have to make up a > whole set of tapes, with the same sequence at different pitches on each one, and there's always a little delay while the > Mellotron tape heads move into place when you play a note, so the timing would be lousy... :-) From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: Impressions of Sorcerer --- John Vertical wrote: > > >Impressions of Sorcerer didn't quite impress > me... > > > >A very outstanding screaming track and an important > >part of the > >powerful Sorcerer album. > > > > > Say what you say - I don't get it. It's not among > Edgar's best guitar > pieces, nor is the rhytm outstanding in any way. It is very outstanding track. Altough it has that funky 70's sound, which makes the track sound more older perhaps... Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: Atem --- John Vertical wrote: > I about agree with all those descriptions by > TheInfection (but are you > obsessed with comets or what?) Well, I haven't composed two tracks for comets. I just listen to them and happen to like both of them. > but I have to > disagree when it comes to Atem. > Yes, I like too the the pompous beginning, > especially its Egyptian hues and > that blurring noise towards the end. Egyptian hues? Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:30 am Subject: RE: animals Perhaps someone has mentioned it already (can't remember), but how about Ambient Monkeys? It has birds, monkeys, lions and other animals. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:41 am Subject: Mellotron on DIAMOND DOGS On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:15:40 -0500 John McIntyre writes: >It's tape based so it can sound like anything you can record on >tape. As for common recordings, anything by King Crimson up >until the Belew-era, anything by the Moody Blues that has Mike >Pinder on it [. . .] And there's always David Bowie's 1974 album, DIAMOND DOGS, with 'Big Brother' probably being the mellotron bonanza of the disc. I haven't played this record for a dog's age (sorry about the bad pun), but that sticks in my mind as having particularly juicy mellotron flourishes. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30566 Re: Mellotron on DIAMOND DOGS Synthhtnys@a... Thu 12/13/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:55 am Subject: Re: Through Metamorphic Rocks --- John Vertical wrote: > I guess he means that that mistake turned actually > out great. Of course I > could also be wrong... > > John Vertical I've heard that the final chaotic sequence started when some machinery went nuts, so I it's a mistake. A great mistake, of course, but a mistake. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mellotron on DIAMOND DOGS In a message dated 12/13/2001 2:47:15 AM Central Standard Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > And there's always David Bowie's 1974 album, DIAMOND DOGS, > with 'Big Brother' probably being the mellotron bonanza of the > disc. I haven't played this record for a dog's age (sorry about > the bad pun), but that sticks in my mind as having particularly > juicy mellotron flourishes. > > Steven Feldman *Was that Rick Wakeman? I know he did some session work with Bowie on a couple of the early albums Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Atem > > but I have to > > disagree when it comes to Atem. > > Yes, I like too the the pompous beginning, > > especially its Egyptian hues and > > that blurring noise towards the end. > >Egyptian hues? > >Regards, >TheInfection Excerpt from the inner sleeve: '--like background music for building pyramids--' and I have to agree. It definetly has, perhaps not downright Egyptian, but anyways oriental influence - especially that sequencer-like du-duuh dooh daah, du-duh-dooh daah... line at the beginning and those first additional moanings which don't agree with the rhytm... feel free to compare with No Man's Land. (or did you have Hyperborea?) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30584 Re: Atem TheInfection Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:44 pm Subject: Re: best tracks >>In my opinion, on the contrary, not as much repetition >as in many other albums. >The beginning part is really a weak point. > >Specifically, which albums?? Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet, Encore, Pergamon, Hyperborea, Poland (that's for instance) >The dark section we're discussing below, the 2nd to >last section and >Dominion are somewhat repetive to my taste. I think >that repetition of a >theme (ie. not just plain melody) is a bigger sin >than repetition of the >basic rhytm... usually. Usually, one theme repeats while some others evolve - that's the common style for tadream. What do you mean theme/basic rhytm? The 2nd to last section - if you meant 34-41 min one - another great piece. I like that row of heavy hits in the beginning. >You have to be good at something... > >Other thing I've been lately wondering is that one >melody in Monolight, >right before the Stratosfear theme starts - I really >think it's familiar >from somewhere else. Do you notice that common points just while listening or especially spend some time comparing tracks? What you call Stratosfear theme has also sounds from some Sorcerer track. By the way, if you like finding remixes so much, I can offer some of my suggestions: - the seventh track from Mars Polaris is definitely a mix. I'm not sure about the 10th one. - The beginning of Lamb with radar eyes is from Girls on Broadway - a Parallel Worlds (from The Keep) theme can be found in Art of Vision. It's somewhere in the background. - Oasis also has some remixes, at least the first track. >>Another piece of music that >sounds like screaming - >don't exactly know why, but I like this two. > > >What piece? I was talking about 14-19 min part of Logos and Impressions of Sorcerer >Let's see... No, the sequences aren't as emotic as >before - but they're >still as intense and rhytmic without sounding too >commercial. (as the rhytms >of eg. Le Parc do) And I'd say that they're not even >meant to have the main >role, they're just one factor. The numerous >simultaneously playing melodies >are an as important part too each. Ricochet clearly >does not have the same >musical target as Phaedra & Rubycon, it's already >something else. > >John Vertical > 'Commercial sound'? What's that? The first album that can be really called commercial is Rockoon. Everything's fine with Le Parc, I think. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 1:02 pm Subject: Re: Best tracks >I decided to say something about these ten tracks I >happened to chose... > >01. Rubycon Part 1 >My second TD album. First six minutes are quite >wonderful. It's full of water-like sounds and floating >themes running. Is there sounds of whales somewhere? >Then the booming sequence begins and the whole world >is fullfilled with rythm and depth. (Uh, isn't that >poetic! ;-) The best section is the 8-13 min. Even when I'm doing something else at this part I throw everything away from my head and listen! >02. Diamond Diary >Sequences. Fast and furious, I say. 10 minutes of >glory. One of the best songs along side with the >albums from 80's TD. The best on Thief album. It has at least three different mixes (maybe even more :)) >05. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola >Electronic start of TD. Energetic drum bashing from >Chris. Descripes much better the fly of a comet than >Comet's Figure Head. > >10. Atem >Start is cool. After five minutes, it becomes slow >ambient and doesn't hold much interest. I'm sorry but for me all TD material before Green Desert seems to be mostly unlistenable... >09. Comet's Figure Head >First real sign from 90's albums, that Edgar has some >creativity left in his sleeve. If speaking of the albums after Melrose, 220 volts and Goblins Club are very good. CFH - an ordinary Mars Polaris track. The really outstanding piece on this album is Astrophobia, especially the ending part. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: [tadream] RE: animals And how about the pre-show music from Warsaw 2001? Should we be expecting AM 2? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> rubyconist@y... 12/13/01 03:30AM >>> Perhaps someone has mentioned it already (can't remember), but how about Ambient Monkeys? It has birds, monkeys, lions and other animals. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Dmitriy V N Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: animals compilation Here's the first variant of Animals compilation. The problem is that there are only a few animal sounds in each track, so I had to insert only small pieces of some long tracks... Some of them contain not animals but some strange voices or children playing: 1 Bent Code Sidewalk (00:00-00:40)/Steve Joliffe/ 0:40 2Igneous/Wolves/ 4:46 3 3am at the border of marsh(06:30-07:50)/Sheep/ 1:20 4 Phaedra (10:31-16:48)/Screams/ 6:17 5 Mysterios Semblance... (00:00-00:48)/children/ 0:48 6Tiergarten/children/ 3:10 7 The Cliffs Of Sydney/Sea Gulls/ 5:45 8 Lamb with Radar Eyes(00:00-00:59)/smth like cat/ 0:59 9 Rising Haul in Silence (02:15-04:47)/horse/ 2:12 10 Coldwater Canyon (09:40-12:34)/cow/ 2:54 11 Thru Metamorphic Rocks (07:43-14:31)/wolf & other sounds/ 6:48 total time 35:39 Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30577 Re: animals compilation John Vertical Thu 12/13/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: impressions of the Sorcerer > > >Impressions of Sorcerer didn't quite impress > > me... > > > >A very outstanding screaming track and an important > >part of the > >powerful Sorcerer album. > > > > > > > >Say what you say - I don't get it. It's not among > >Edgar's best guitar > >pieces, nor is the rhytm outstanding in any way. > It is very outstanding track. Altough it has that > funky 70's sound, which makes the track sound more > older perhaps... > Regards, > TheInfection Grind and Impressions of the Sorcerer are highlights of the album separated by the real sound apocalypse - ABYSS. That's why I called this album powerful: it destructs you and then carefully rescurrects again! Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: Mathew Mckenzie Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin I think I'd have to say it's one for the collectors, it's 'nice' but a bit bland really, quite a lot of piano, short pieces some nice tunes Mat -----Original Message----- From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] Sent: 01 June 2001 17:07 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin A friend of mine on this list has told me that TD's Rumpelstiltskin is actually pretty good, but the price of it sends me running in the opposite direction. Any other opinions on this CD? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > For those of you (very few I guess) who are able to watch Swedish Television > it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run Rumpeltstiltskin tomorrow > night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't much of a horror movie but I > thought I should mention it because of the TD-connection. > > /Olle > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30574 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Utch Entel Thu 12/13/2001 3 KB 30649 Re: Rumpelstiltskin chris towers Mon 12/17/2001 5 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: RE: Rumpelstiltskin Hi! Anyone know where one might acquire an original CD of Rumplestiltskin... ...or is it one of those impossible to find productions? ;>} Thanks! ...Utch (who thinks Rumplestiltskin would make and excellent XMas present for himself!) >I think I'd have to say it's one for the collectors, it's 'nice' but a bit >bland really, quite a lot of piano, short pieces some nice tunes > >Mat > > > >A friend of mine on this list has told me that TD's Rumpelstiltskin is >actually pretty good, but the price of it sends me running in the opposite >direction. Any other opinions on this CD? > > > >> For those of you (very few I guess) who are able to watch Swedish >Television >> it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run Rumpeltstiltskin >tomorrow >> night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't much of a horror movie but >I >> thought I should mention it because of the TD-connection. >> >> /Olle From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 4:54 pm Subject: re Mellotron on DIAMOND DOGS >*Was that Rick Wakeman? I know he did some session work with Bowie on a couple of the early albums IIRC, David gets credit for Mellotron on that one _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer / Weird Voices >Grind and Impressions of the Sorcerer are highlights >of the album separated by the real sound apocalypse - >ABYSS. That's why I called this album powerful: it >destructs you and then carefully rescurrects again! >Regards, > Dmitriy Okay, you like it. I still don't. On the matter of highlights I'd also go for Grind, but as #2 perhaps Betrayal would be my choice. I didn't quite understand Abyss on the first time; but it is a great track of the same style as Zeit or Alpha Centauri, but even more otherworldy and more energetic. It's the most experimental track of the record I guess, as Main Title would be a bit simpler. Abyss would *definetly* make its way to a 'Weird Voices' compilation, together with at least Big Sleep In Search Of Hades. The rest would be chosen from: Sunrise In The 3rd System Alpha Centauri Atem Circulation of Events Wahn intro from Movements of a Visionary 1st outro and 2nd intro from Rubycon the 2nd half of Ricochet Part 1 and the ricochet voices from Part 2 jingles at about 10 mins in Invisible Limits intro of Cherokee Lane 1st and 4th sections of Force Majeure latter part of Thru Metamorphic Rocks Part 1- Part 2 transistion in Pergamon / Quichotte intro of Remote Viewing intro and the 2nd transistion from Mojave Plan 3rd (4th, if you count the early ambient transistion as the 2nd) section from Logos part 1 first section of Logos Part 2 2nd section of Tangent first section of Horizon transistion of Le Parc / Hyde Park Looks like this one is also gonna' be a clip clip clip collection, like that animal voices comp. of yours... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30585 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary TheInfection Fri 12/14/2001 2 KB 30646 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary mkljssl Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] animals compilation >Here's the first variant of Animals compilation. The >problem is >that there are only a few animal sounds in each track, >so I had to >insert only small pieces of some long tracks... Some >of them contain not >animals but some strange voices or children playing: >1 Bent Code Sidewalk (00:00-00:40)/Steve Joliffe/ > 0:40 >2Igneous/Wolves/ > 4:46 >3 3am at the border of marsh(06:30-07:50)/Sheep/ > 1:20 >4 Phaedra (10:31-16:48)/Screams/ > 6:17 >5 Mysterios Semblance... (00:00-00:48)/children/ > 0:48 >6Tiergarten/children/ > 3:10 >7 The Cliffs Of Sydney/Sea >Gulls/ 5:45 >8 Lamb with Radar Eyes(00:00-00:59)/smth like cat/ > 0:59 >9 Rising Haul in Silence (02:15-04:47)/horse/ > 2:12 >10 Coldwater Canyon (09:40-12:34)/cow/ > 2:54 >11 Thru Metamorphic Rocks (07:43-14:31)/wolf & other >sounds/ 6:48 > > total time 35:39 > >Regards, > Dmitriy Where's Fauni-Gena? - No wait, you didn't like the early stuff... In Coldwater Canyon, do you mean that one sequence? I really don't think it could be a cow. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: repetition, similarities, etc. > >Specifically, which albums?? > >Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet, Encore, Pergamon, >Hyperborea, Poland (that's for instance) > > >The dark section we're discussing below, the 2nd to > >last section and > >Dominion are somewhat repetive to my taste. I think > >that repetition of a > >theme (ie. not just plain melody) is a bigger sin > >than repetition of the > >basic rhytm... usually. > >Usually, one theme repeats while some others evolve - >that's the common style for tadream. What do you mean >theme/basic rhytm? > >The 2nd to last section - if you meant 34-41 min one - >another great piece. I like that row of heavy hits in >the beginning. > Well, those albums you mentioned are of the rhytm repetition type mainly (or do you mean mood/structure repetition? I have nothing against those) while Logos would be an example of theme repetition. I agree also that repetiton is no bad thing if used well. As they usually do. But theme repetition is a style I don't like that much. Theme repetition = a somewhat lengthy melody is repeated in an identical form, with approximately identical instrument array (eg. Le Parc) Rhytm repetition = some usually not-too-melodic voices keep changing over an unchanging sequence (Pergamon) Mood repetition = pieces are of identical mood or barely distinguishable (Zeit) Structure repetition = pieces share the same basic idea / structure but with different implementation (Lily On The Beach) > >You have to be good at something... > > > >Other thing I've been lately wondering is that one > >melody in Monolight, > >right before the Stratosfear theme starts - I really > >think it's familiar > >from somewhere else. > >Do you notice that common points just while listening >or especially spend some time comparing tracks? > Spontaneously. >What you call Stratosfear theme has also sounds from >some Sorcerer track. > Well, that might have some influence from The Call. Or maybe Search. But Stratosfear comes to my mind first anyway. >By the way, if you like finding remixes so much, I can >offer some of my suggestions: > >- the seventh track from Mars Polaris is definitely a >mix. I'm not sure about the 10th one. >- The beginning of Lamb with radar eyes is from Girls >on Broadway >- a Parallel Worlds (from The Keep) theme can be found >in Art of Vision. It's somewhere in the background. >- Oasis also has some remixes, at least the first >track. > I guess I need a few more post-Franke albums before I can start spotting similariries in that era. > >Let's see... No, the sequences aren't as emotic as > >before - but they're > >still as intense and rhytmic without sounding too > >commercial. (as the rhytms > >of eg. Le Parc do) And I'd say that they're not even > >meant to have the main > >role, they're just one factor. The numerous > >simultaneously playing melodies > >are an as important part too each. Ricochet clearly > >does not have the same > >musical target as Phaedra & Rubycon, it's already > >something else. > > > >John Vertical > > > >'Commercial sound'? What's that? The first album that >can be really called commercial is Rockoon. >Everything's fine with Le Parc, I think. > >Regards, > Dmitriy I'm using 'commercial' just because I can't think of a better word. I mean basically abundance of percussion. Yes, there's that one VERY characteristic drum line in Part 2 (I about always applause in that rhytm) but it's not the only one, nor is it dominant all the way through. Too often, drums are used as the basic rhytm just because people can't think of anything more creative. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 10:29 pm Subject: uh-oh/ US tour 2002 Hmm, it would seem that many US shows have suddenly appeared on ticketmaster.com as 'currently not on sale'. How'd this happen overnight? I fear the worst. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: US tour 2002 cancelled ayup looks like the US tour is cancelled folks --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30586 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Joe Shoults Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB 30589 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30603 ATTN: MARTIN, What about Inferno Robert Grabowsky Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30609 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Utch Entel Sat 12/15/2001 4 KB 30588 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Michael Jean Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30591 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Joe Shoults Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB 30593 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB 30596 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30598 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Owens, James Fri 12/14/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 12:04 am Subject: no US tour....whats up with that? I called House of Blues in Anaheim and they did indeed confirm that the 02/22 show was cancelled, no explanation was given them. Ticketmaster shows that the show at the Ventura Theatre is still on sale and calls to the info line only garnered a recording (I'll try tomorrow AM) The web site also shows the Denver & Canada gigs still on sale.....are they delayed in getting the info or is it true that the tour's Officially Cancelled. TD's web site still shows no updated news or explanation First the US tour was delayed, now it's cancelled (AFAWK).....what's up with that? Inquiring minds want to know. Come on Eddie, my wife likes your music and was looking forward to seeing you play for the first time, and now this is giving her serious doubts. I got her a ticket as an Xmas present, now I've got to unwrap the thing to get my refund.....and I dislike having to re-wrap presents! Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 7:54 am Subject: Bowie mellotron Hi folks, With regards to poly's question about if Rick Wakeman played mellotron on Bowie's Diamond Dogs album, it was actually Bowie who played the mellotron himself as well as moog, saxes and most of the guitar parts. This was during Bowie's heavy drug period and I think he was so out of it, he figured he could do the whole album himself. The end result was an extremly raw and emotional record, that I think might be his best. Rick Wakeman did indeed feature heavily on Bowie's Hunky Dory album though. I have a TV special of David Bowie on videotape that I recorded from MuchMusic here in Canada, and in one part, he is rhyming off names of people he admires or was influenced by and he mentions Edgar Froese among others. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30583 Re: Bowie mellotron Synthhtnys@a... Fri 12/14/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 6:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bowie mellotron In a message dated 12/13/2001 10:51:55 PM Central Standard Time, mmacmillan@c... writes: > I have a TV special of David Bowie on videotape that I recorded from > MuchMusic here in Canada, and in one part, he is rhyming off names of > people he admires or was influenced by and he mentions Edgar Froese among > others. > > Miles MacMillan > > *Yes! and it was Epsilon that interested him... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TheInfection Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Atem --- John Vertical wrote: > >Egyptian hues? > > > >Regards, > >TheInfection > > > Excerpt from the inner sleeve: '--like background > music for building > pyramids--' and I have to agree. It definetly has, > perhaps not downright > Egyptian, but anyways oriental influence - > especially that sequencer-like > du-duuh dooh daah, du-duh-dooh daah... line at the > beginning and those first > additional moanings which don't agree with the > rhytm... feel free to compare > with No Man's Land. (or did you have Hyperborea?) > > John Vertical No, I don't have it yet. Only ones I don't have from Virgin era is Phaedra (altough I have one collection cd where it is as a whole) and Hyperborea. About those Egyptian influences... I haven't noticed them. Sorry. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary --- John Vertical wrote: > Wahn > intro from Movements of a Visionary I think that intros are exactly the same. In movements it's just messed up. Any toughts? Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30646 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary mkljssl Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled according to the TDI site at http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html 'Please do not pay heed to rumors of the tour being cancelled - the dates have merely been postponed!' I hope you are wrong. JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:31 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled > > > ayup looks like the US tour is cancelled folks > > --teiwaz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30589 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30603 ATTN: MARTIN, What about Inferno Robert Grabowsky Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30609 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Utch Entel Sat 12/15/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' Were there ever any live versions of Cloudburst Flight (maybe my favorite TD tune ever!)? > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:52 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' > > > > I find both albums from that period, when the band was > Froese/Franke with K.Krüger on > > drums, excellent, with their progressive rock edge. I wish > there was more of that... > > ..and how I wish TD would not have cancelled their 'Force > Majeure' German concert tour which was already booked for March/April > 1979. Just imagine an improvised live version of the title > track or of 'Cloudburst flight' (and a few people in the audience > taping the shows)....argghh!!! > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled I hope he is wrong too, but here is an sample from he Ticketmaster site: Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA Saturday, January 26, 2002 9:00PM $20.00 Charge by Phone: 215-336-2000 Seating Chart is not available Ticket Sale Date(s): Internet Public Sale: Fri Sep 21, 12:00PM ** CANCELLED ** TANGERINE DREAM TICKET NOT TO BE RESOLD THEATER OF LIVING ARTS 334 SOUTH ST, PHILA. SAT JAN 26, 2002 9:00PM EVENT IS NOW CANCELLED! EVENT WAS POSTPONED FROM OCT 20 TO JAN 26. NOW THE EVENT IS OFFICIALLY CANCELLED! REFUNDS AT POINT OF PURCHASE! >>> jshoults@f... 12/14/01 09:53AM >>> according to the TDI site at http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html 'Please do not pay heed to rumors of the tour being cancelled - the dates have merely been postponed!' I hope you are wrong. JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:31 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled > > > ayup looks like the US tour is cancelled folks > > --teiwaz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled At 09:53 14.12.01 , you wrote: >according to the TDI site at >http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html > >'Please do not pay heed to rumors of the tour being cancelled - the >dates have merely been postponed!' > >I hope you are wrong. > >JOe > Hi fellow TD'ers, there will be a posting to the TDI site today or tomorrow, but I reckoned that you people deserve to get the news first - yes, as it looks, the USA-tour has indeed been cancelled for now. After having to move the tour to early February, we waited for the booking agency to put together a coherent itinerary. Yet, at the end of October, there were still enormous gaps in the tour - more than one third were still off-days - most of you will probably understand that this would have been impossible to do, financially (an off-day is full costs for coach, crew and hotels - but no income since there's no show.) They tried until the end of November to fill the gaps except for driving days - this wasn´t possible. So, we suggested that they cut the tour down to size by the beginning of the this week, which wasn´t possible either - this is why they suggested to cancel the tour ... unfortunately, there was no other possibility, as it seems. As you can see, both TD and the agency have tried their best to save this tour, but time and circumstances were playing against us. It would need some sort of a miracle to make this happen now. The band sincerely apologizes for not being able to make it this time and will try to find a way to pay a visit to their North American fans at their earliest possible convenience. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30603 ATTN: MARTIN, What about Inferno Robert Grabowsky Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB 30609 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled Utch Entel Sat 12/15/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Through Metamorphic Rocks the only part on the whole album I don't care for is the 80 seconds on the title track from 16:21 to 17:41. everything else on the album is perfect IMO. > -----Original Message----- > >it it has been my favourite TD album! I find every minute of Majeure > >excellent, specially that sequence that begins at 6:45 in > the title track, > >and goes till around 9:20. I just jump with that sequence! > > > I also like pretty much everything in FM - except just that > one section you > like. I really get annoyed by that sequence... Oddly, the > brighter remix at > the end is not bad at all. > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled Thanks for the note, Martin. Shit. I was looking forward to this. Martin, I know you wouldn't want to get our hopes up, but are there any potential windows of opportunity that you are examining for the future at this point, or is the whole tour research/planning effort completely off for now? Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI MUSIC- Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...] > that you people deserve to get the news first - yes, as it looks, the > USA-tour has indeed been cancelled for now. After having to Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30593 Re: US tour 2002 cancelled TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary > > Wahn > > intro from Movements of a Visionary > >I think that intros are exactly the same. In movements >it's just messed up. Any toughts? > >Regards, >TheInfection What?? Okay, they both have some whooshy background and a structure of waving volume level - but that's all the similarities I hear. It's a far cry from being exactly the same... Johnvertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30628 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30661 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary John Vertical Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB 30669 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB 30686 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary TheInfection Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30688 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary armin_theissen Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30690 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary John Vertical Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30691 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary TheInfection Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30696 Re: Vocoders TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 12/19/2001 4 KB From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled At 10:18 14.12.01 , you wrote: >Thanks for the note, Martin. > >Shit. I was looking forward to this. > >Martin, I know you wouldn't want to get our hopes up, but are there any >potential windows of opportunity that you are examining for the future at >this point, or is the whole tour research/planning effort completely off for >now? > >Thanks, >Joe > Dear Joe, dear folks, at the moment, it looks as though the tour is cancelled for good and we have to scout for new opportunities. I can´t tell you much more because I am not the person handling this sort of business in the company and thus do not have much more info. Sorry for the bad news but be assured that we will try to bring the band to you at the earliest possible convenience. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin Bland? Hm. I guess this might be an area that separates the females from the pack here. I've been seeing pieces like Cinnamon Road and United Goblin's Parade described as too sweet and in every instance they are the particular songs I most like. Therefore, the whole album of Rumpelstiltskin with, of course, the exception of the story track (which makes me angry every time I listen to it: after being threatened with her life, this lady is supposed to be overjoyed to be marrying that ass?) is a total favorite of mine along with other sweet songs like Death of a Nightingale or Body Corporate. 8-) Dell NP: Danger Live >From: Mathew Mckenzie >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:10:22 -0000 > >I think I'd have to say it's one for the collectors, it's 'nice' but a bit >bland really, quite a lot of piano, short pieces some nice tunes > >Mat As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin Don't assume that only women like the more melodic tracks. I, for one, am a big fan of Rumpel AND Cinnamon Road. It all depends on what you're looking for in TD. The great part about TD music is that there's something to satisfy many various tastes. Those people looking for the prog rock style of Force Majeur may not find the opening to Livemiles part 2 (Berlin) very appealing. Those people looking for spacey tone colors and floating sequences may not find anything after 1983 or so appealing. Those people looking for good melody may skip over Rubycon in favor of Le Parc. The techno people may be enthralled with pieces dating as far back as Thief, but may feel nothing for Alpha Centauri and Phaedra. My point is that tastes vary, and I don't think it's gender specific. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Adele Outland [mailto:outlanda60@h...] > > Bland? Hm. I guess this might be an area that separates the > females from the > pack here. I've been seeing pieces like Cinnamon Road and > United Goblin's > Parade described as too sweet and in every instance they are > the particular > songs I most like. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled sad and heavy heart I hope something can be done for 2002. I last saw TD live in the late 80's. I was hoping not to have to wait too much longer to see them again. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled At 10:18 14.12.01 , you wrote: >Thanks for the note, Martin. > >Shit. I was looking forward to this. > >Martin, I know you wouldn't want to get our hopes up, but are there any >potential windows of opportunity that you are examining for the future at >this point, or is the whole tour research/planning effort completely off for >now? > >Thanks, >Joe > Dear Joe, dear folks, at the moment, it looks as though the tour is cancelled for good and we have to scout for new opportunities. I can´t tell you much more because I am not the person handling this sort of business in the company and thus do not have much more info. Sorry for the bad news but be assured that we will try to bring the band to you at the earliest possible convenience. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: cd for christmas: maybe an interesting thread hi folks, i'd like to propose maybe an interesting thread: are you going to buy music as a christmas gift for yourself? what are you going to get? why? I've recently bought Klaus Schulze's Dune, Timewind and Miditerranean Pads. The first two I already had in mp3, but wanted the original thing. Midi Pads I never heard before. It's very nice, lots of percussion: the last track is called Percussion Planante. The title track is beautiful: calm, with synth vocals - the booklet says, 'vocals: Elfi Schulze', heheheh. It's a very emotional piece. I've also ordered KS's In Blue, which should arrive some day in January. I've been listening to A LOT of Schulze lately, actually, I haven't been listening to many other things. I already have most of his 70s albums, and I'm extending my collection from the 80s and 90s. so this pack is my gift: 4 KS albums. now playing: Gdansk (from KS's Poland live 1983 album). Crassic! lots of rhythm with sounds and the tune from Cellistica, from his studio album Audentity from the same year, also a crassic. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30627 Re: cd for christmas TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30654 Re: cd for christmas, Tour Cancellation harry_groin Tue 12/18/2001 4 KB 30656 Re: cd for christmas, Dead Can Dance odean@m... Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled Well, don't everyone forget that the next part of 'Inferno' is supposed to show in Atlanta! If we can't get them on tour, at least maybe we get the second leg of this 3-part show. James > -----Original Message----- > I was hoping not to have to wait too much longer to see them again. From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled It is good to look at the positive things! If that comes to be, I will certainly make an effort to attend... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> james.owens@m... 12/14/01 11:32AM >>> Well, don't everyone forget that the next part of 'Inferno' is supposed to show in Atlanta! If we can't get them on tour, at least maybe we get the second leg of this 3-part show. James > -----Original Message----- > I was hoping not to have to wait too much longer to see them again. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:54 pm Subject: RE: Rumpelstiltskin www.groove.nl might still have some copies of the video. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 5:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled you lucky dog. I think Inferno should be in Cleveland. After all, we have a river here that burns every once in a while! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:33 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled > > > Well, don't everyone forget that the next part of 'Inferno' > is supposed to > show in Atlanta! > > If we can't get them on tour, at least maybe we get the > second leg of this > 3-part show. > > James > From: veine@v... Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled Well, finally opened my mail ... and .... F**K x a million, and such a note on my b-day too. I've waited for so long to have them to play close to where I've been, first waiting for years for them to come to Scandinavia, then to Southeast Europe, then I moved here to the states and was excited as I cannot describe because they seemed to be coming to Boston, which is only 6 hours from where I am right now. .... Oh well, have waited for my chance for 15 years, I can wait another 15 I guess, and just hope that Edgar is still playing... Sad day in history.. Regards ~Veine -- Get your firstname@l... email at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 6:01 pm Subject: ATTN: MARTIN, What about Inferno Martin, What about Inferno in Atlanta? Is it still on? Robert >Hi fellow TD'ers, > >there will be a posting to the TDI site today or tomorrow, but I reckoned >that you people deserve to get the news first - yes, as it looks, the >USA-tour has indeed been cancelled for now. After having to move the tour >to early February, we waited for the booking agency to put together a >coherent itinerary. Yet, at the end of October, there were still enormous >gaps in the tour - more than one third were still off-days - most of you >will probably understand that this would have been impossible to do, >financially (an off-day is full costs for coach, crew and hotels - but no >income since there's no show.) They tried until the end of November to fill >the gaps except for driving days - this wasn´t possible. So, we suggested >that they cut the tour down to size by the beginning of the this week, >which wasn´t possible either - this is why they suggested to cancel the >tour ... unfortunately, there was no other possibility, as it seems. As you >can see, both TD and the agency have tried their best to save this tour, >but time and circumstances were playing against us. It would need some sort >of a miracle to make this happen now. > >The band sincerely apologizes for not being able to make it this time and >will try to find a way to pay a visit to their North American fans at their >earliest possible convenience. >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >www.tdimusic.com > >Have a nice day! > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: burning rivers >you lucky dog. I think Inferno should be in Cleveland. After all, we have a river here that burns every once in a while! ;-) Yeah, I have the T-shirt for Burning River Pale Ale from Great Lakes Brewing Company from the one time I was in Cleveland. RnR hall of fame was pretty cool, too. I was there when the theme was 'I wanna take you higher--the psychedelic years'. --T _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30605 Re: burning rivers Joe Shoults Fri 12/14/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 6:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] burning rivers that was a good exhibit. the recent John Lennon one was good, too. The RnR HoF is a cool place, but they must have an exhibit for me to visit, otherwise it is all the same after your first visit (like a lot of museums, I guess). Burning River Pale Ale is a very good brew! The name comes from two separate times that the (before 1980's) highly-polluted Cuyahoga River caught on fire from all the pollution and industrial oil and crap discharged into it. Speaking of that river, and bringing us back on topic, TD played at Nautica Stage in Cleveland in 1988, which has a backdrop of the Cleveland skyline, and the stage is in the vertex of a bend in the river ('Cuyahoga' means Crooked River in the Native American language, and there is a 'Crooked River Brewery' too, BTW). This is a shipping river, providing waterway access to the major steel mills and factories upriver from Lake Erie. anyway, the point is that is was a very, very cool spectacle to see huge ships moving slowly and silently behind the bands as they played (Andy Summers opened for TD). The ones that were empty were so high out of the water that they engulfed your entire field of vision, so it was kind of disorienting, like a huge building moving behind the stage. Well, I was already disoriented enough at that show I guess, but this made it more intense. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] burning rivers > > > >you lucky dog. I think Inferno should be in Cleveland. After > all, we have > a river here that burns every once in a while! ;-) > > Yeah, I have the T-shirt for Burning River Pale Ale from > Great Lakes Brewing > Company from the one time I was in Cleveland. > > RnR hall of fame was pretty cool, too. I was there when the > theme was 'I > wanna take you higher--the psychedelic years'. > > --T From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin And a good point it is too. I suppose that WAS a foolish thing for me to say and melody certainly isn't what caught my attention the first time I heard TD. However, I am thinking that a lot of ladies who profess to hate TD, could be somewhat mollified by the music of this album. I can't begin to describe how devastated I am by the news that the tour is officially cancelled. 'You've stolen my dreams away.' 8-( Dell NP: nothing but the blankness of disappointment >From: 'Owens, James' >My point is that tastes vary, and I don't think it's gender specific. > >James _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: vic rek Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 11:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate Here is a comparison of both releases. Music is not bad, but you be the judge. I just noticed another few boxes on sale at 'Best Buy.' A=Baldur's Gate - Original Saga (33 tracks) B=Baludur's Gate II (1 PC track + 33 audio tracks) A B 1:35 2:04 1:30 1:43 2:33 1:15 1:37 2:05 2:03 3:02 1:15 1:23 1:29 1:00 0:48 1:29 2:12 0:56 1:30 1:22 0:47 3:34 3:18 2:27 1:11 2:16 1:41 1:20 1:37 1:02 1:51 1:14 2:00 1:21 1:18 0:59 1:30 1:08 1:22 1:00 1:33 1:09 2:03 1:42 1:42 0:47 1:35 0:52 1:11 0:59 0:56 3:02 2:10 2:05 1:00 1:15 3:03 1:38 1:24 1:32 2:02 2:20 1:05 1:03 2:14 1:05 moxica@m... wrote: > Is the music different, as well? > > -jim From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 12:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] US tour 2002 cancelled >coherent itinerary. Yet, at the end of October, there were still enormous >gaps in the tour - more than one third were still off-days - most of you >will probably understand that this would have been impossible to do, >financially (an off-day is full costs for coach, crew and hotels - but no >income since there's no show.) They tried until the end of November to fill >the gaps except for driving days - this wasn´t possible. So, we suggested Thanks for the info Martin. Hopefully, the next time a tour is planned, they can fill in one of those gaps with a stop in Arizona. We got some nice places to play in the Phoenix area, and I was bummed there wasn't anything scheduled for AZ before, especially since there was some time between Colorado and California (ya gotta come through somewhere around here, right? :-) ). Dave B. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:07 am Subject: RE: US tour 2002 cancelled Ya, and I'm out $20 bucks for their touring fiasco ticket cancellations... ...if they think I'm going to run out and buy their next tour tickets at the drop of a hat they're wrong. I'm going to wait until TD has appeared on the East Coast, confirmed from those on this list, before I even make plans with work to take the time off for the road trip out to the closest event. ...a little cheese with that wine? On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:52:46 +0100, TDI MUSIC- Martin K. wrote: >Hi fellow TD'ers, > >there will be a posting to the TDI site today or tomorrow, but I reckoned >that you people deserve to get the news first - yes, as it looks, the >USA-tour has indeed been cancelled for now. After having to move the tour >to early February, we waited for the booking agency to put together a >coherent itinerary. Yet, at the end of October, there were still enormous >gaps in the tour - more than one third were still off-days - most of you >will probably understand that this would have been impossible to do, >financially (an off-day is full costs for coach, crew and hotels - but no >income since there's no show.) They tried until the end of November to fill >the gaps except for driving days - this wasn´t possible. So, we suggested >that they cut the tour down to size by the beginning of the this week, >which wasn´t possible either - this is why they suggested to cancel the >tour ... unfortunately, there was no other possibility, as it seems. As you >can see, both TD and the agency have tried their best to save this tour, >but time and circumstances were playing against us. It would need some sort >of a miracle to make this happen now. > >The band sincerely apologizes for not being able to make it this time and >will try to find a way to pay a visit to their North American fans at their >earliest possible convenience. >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >www.tdimusic.com > >Have a nice day! --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- A pipe give a wise man time to think, and a fool something to stick in his mouth. --Unknown From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 7:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] tastes >Don't assume that only women like the more melodic tracks. I, for one, am >a >big fan of Rumpel AND Cinnamon Road. It all depends on what you're looking >for in TD. The great part about TD music is that there's something to >satisfy many various tastes. Those people looking for the prog rock style >of Force Majeur may not find the opening to Livemiles part 2 (Berlin) very >appealing. Those people looking for spacey tone colors and floating >sequences may not find anything after 1983 or so appealing. Those people >looking for good melody may skip over Rubycon in favor of Le Parc. The >techno people may be enthralled with pieces dating as far back as Thief, >but >may feel nothing for Alpha Centauri and Phaedra. > >My point is that tastes vary, and I don't think it's gender specific. > >James Indeed - there are no absolute rules of who can like what. It's not possible to strictly classify a person's musical taste by just some vague preferrations. I've even encountered an exception to the rule of 'women don't like anything pre-73'; I once played Atem to my mon (who doesn't like any particular kind of music) and she actually liked it. Then - a certain schoolmate who's into rap found 3am At The Border Of The Marsh From Okefenokee nice. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30629 Re: tastes TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB 30643 Re: tastes armin_theissen Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30644 Re: tastes PENFOLD Mon 12/17/2001 4 KB 30632 Re: tastes Synthhtnys@a... Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30633 Re: tastes TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30662 Re: tastes John Vertical Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB 30670 OT: RE: [tadream] tastes PENFOLD Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB 30672 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] tastes chris towers Tue 12/18/2001 4 KB 30664 Re: tastes Owens, James Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1144 > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:52:46 +0100 > From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' > Subject: RE: US tour 2002 cancelled > > Hi fellow TD'ers, > > there will be a posting to the TDI site today or tomorrow, but I reckoned > that you people deserve to get the news first - yes, as it looks, the > USA-tour has indeed been cancelled for now. After having to move the tour > to early February, we waited for the booking agency to put together a > coherent itinerary. Yet, at the end of October, there were still enormous > gaps in the tour - more than one third were still off-days - most of you > will probably understand that this would have been impossible to do, > financially (an off-day is full costs for coach, crew and hotels - but no > income since there's no show.) They tried until the end of November to fill > the gaps except for driving days - this wasn´t possible. So, we suggested > that they cut the tour down to size by the beginning of the this week, > which wasn´t possible either - this is why they suggested to cancel the > tour ... unfortunately, there was no other possibility, as it seems. As you > can see, both TD and the agency have tried their best to save this tour, > but time and circumstances were playing against us. It would need some sort > of a miracle to make this happen now. > > The band sincerely apologizes for not being able to make it this time and > will try to find a way to pay a visit to their North American fans at their > earliest possible convenience. > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > www.tdimusic.com > > Have a nice day! > I do hope that, when it will be re-scheduled, the band will not be leaving us Montreal fans behind. Last show in Montreal was in 1992! ________________________________________________________________________ From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 7:36 pm Subject: Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums >Theme repetition = a somewhat lengthy melody is repeated in an identical >form, with approximately identical instrument array (eg. Le Parc) That Logos 34-41 doesnt have so much repetition... In fact, it only repeats a long piece two times. The same thing happens on Desert Train track (at the end). >Rhytm repetition = some usually not-too-melodic voices keep changing over an >unchanging sequence (Pergamon) >Mood repetition = pieces are of identical mood or barely distinguishable >(Zeit) I usually dont think of these things as repetition. It's just a style of Tadream music. You can find it on most tracks/albums. >Structure repetition = pieces share the same basic idea / structure but with >different implementation (Lily On The Beach) This is common for latest albums, such as Mars Polaris and all Dream Mixes. There is nothing bad in it and it's only slightly different from mood repetition. >I guess I need a few more post-Franke albums before I can start spotting >similariries in that era. Buy DM3 first. Simply great! Also I can recommend Transsiberia from soundtracks. All the compilations/ previously unreleased material aren't worth buing and I don't like the sound of Seven Letters From Tibet. >I'm using 'commercial' just because I can't think of a better word. I mean >basically abundance of percussion. Yes, there's that one >VERY characteristic drum line in Part 2 (I about always applause in that >rhytm) but it's not the only one, nor is it dominant all the way through. >Too often, drums are used as the basic rhytm just because people can't think >of anything more creative. > >John Vertical Percussion is an important part of music, IMO. There are many wonderful albums in wich drums play one of the main roles, for example Green Desert and Melrose. When percussion really starts being annoying is in some albums of the past decade like DM2 and Architecture in Motion. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30614 post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Rep Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/15/2001 3 KB 30617 Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Dennis Nigbur Sun 12/16/2001 4 KB 30677 Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Matthew Stringer Wed 12/19/2001 5 KB 30616 Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums John Vertical Sun 12/16/2001 4 KB 30630 Re: Repetition TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30631 Re: Ambient Monkeys (Re: Repetition, Percussion, TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: Rumpelstilskin Rumpelstilskin?! You must be joking! It's a children fairy-tale! I was really disappointed when heard it for the first time. My strict recommendation is not to buy it: The CD contains the story itself + 25 mins of unremarkable music. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30638 Re: Rumpelstilskin Joe Shoults Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB 30652 Re: Rumpelstilskin tei waz Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums I liked 220 volt live (1993) since the first time I heard it. I'm not very inspired to give descriptions or whatever, but it's certainly worth a try. I think many like this album. I also liked most of DM3 the first time I heard it. I think great wall of china is also worth a try; at first I didn't like it, but now I find it good. (not Very Good though). GJ now playing: dreamwatchers' tales... Jeff Bergman's 'intense and intimate journey into your mind'. Nise. :) >>I guess I need a few more post-Franke albums before I >can start spotting >>similariries in that era. > >Buy DM3 first. Simply great! Also I can recommend >Transsiberia from soundtracks. >All the compilations/ previously unreleased material >aren't worth buing and >I don't like the sound of Seven Letters From Tibet. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30617 Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Dennis Nigbur Sun 12/16/2001 4 KB 30677 Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Matthew Stringer Wed 12/19/2001 5 KB From: 'wijibar' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:14 am Subject: Videos of Tangerine Dream I am not picky about which one I could find, I am making a Audio CD for a friend and would like to include some live footage or a video for him to look at. If anyone could help me locate a video it would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to a reponse. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30618 Re: Videos of Tangerine Dream Antonio Nunes Sun 12/16/2001 2 KB 30689 Re: Video of Tangerine Dream Kevin Robert Ball Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums >That Logos 34-41 doesnt have so much repetition... In >fact, it only repeats >a long piece two times. The same thing happens on >Desert Train track >(at the end). > That is annoying enough for me. If that only would be a melodic section - but no, it's an electrodrum solo. Not too good a thing for a chorus... And yes, Desert Train is a very rerepepetititiveve track. > >I usually dont think of these things as repetition. >It's just a style of >Tadream music. You can find it on most tracks/albums. > Right, but when you say that eg. Phaedra has more repetition than Logos - what do you mean then, if not this? >Buy DM3 first. Simply great! Also I can recommend >Transsiberia from soundtracks. >All the compilations/ previously unreleased material >aren't worth buing and >I don't like the sound of Seven Letters From Tibet. > Well, why would I - why would anyone who's intending to buy the original albums as well - go for a compilation of unedited previously unreleased material? Ones I have are Lily, Melrose, 220 Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. I'm trying to get Optical Race too, but the order seems to take aeons... and all netstores like Amazon only have used copies. Is it out of print or what? Of recommendations I've gotten, I'd get TotT rather than ToB and Rockoon. I've heard lots of positive things from DM3 (at least more than of volumes 1&2) and Oasis. Ambient Monkeys will be probably boring, and I don't think I want Hollywood Years either. Of the rest of the soundtracks or the live stuff - I really don't know. I actually could give it a try at 7 Letters... >Percussion is an important part of music, IMO. There >are many wonderful >albums in wich drums play one of the main roles, for >example Green Desert >and Melrose. When percussion really starts being >annoying is in some albums >of the past decade like DM2 and Architecture in >Motion. >Regards, > Dmitriy Percussion definitely is not a bad thing. The only places where I think it's actually overused are Tiergarten, Underwater Twilight and Desert Train. The problem is moreso that albums have mostly had percussion-based tracks since Le Parc, overwheming all the other kinds of basic rhytms. TD has previously been able to create _very_ creative rhytmic structures (the peak could be in Encore, FM or WE) but I think they've lost that after the mid-80's. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30630 Re: Repetition TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30631 Re: Ambient Monkeys (Re: Repetition, Percussion, TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 12:52 pm Subject: Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums Post-Franke recommendations? Well, here we go... Mars Polaris, an absolute must Transsiberia, very nice integration of the calmer and trance-y sides of contemporary TD Seven Letters of Tibet, a lovely album unless you go in for the more energetic style... Turn of the Tides, IMO the best Seattle years album pre-Goblins Club Goblins Club, the first album in ages that showed some real scope and lyricism Five great albums in ten years really isn't that bad considering how we slate the post- Franke years normally. Others, like Oasis, 220 Volt and Great Wall of China aren't bad either. Personally, I don't like Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty or any incarnation of the Dream Mixes (except What a Blast, which is somewhat similar in style) that much, but whatever works for you. Start with Mars Polaris and see what you like. Dennis On 15 Dec 2001 at 21:34, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I liked 220 volt live (1993) since the first time I heard it. I'm not > very inspired to give descriptions or whatever, but it's certainly > worth a try. I think many like this album. I also liked most of DM3 > the first time I heard it. I think great wall of china is also worth a > try; at first I didn't like it, but now I find it good. (not Very Good > though). > > GJ now playing: dreamwatchers' tales... Jeff Bergman's 'intense and > intimate journey into your mind'. Nise. :) > > >>I guess I need a few more post-Franke albums before I > >can start spotting > >>similariries in that era. > > > >Buy DM3 first. Simply great! Also I can recommend > >Transsiberia from soundtracks. > >All the compilations/ previously unreleased material > >aren't worth buing and > >I don't like the sound of Seven Letters From Tibet. > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30677 Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Matthew Stringer Wed 12/19/2001 5 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Videos of Tangerine Dream wijibar wrote: > > I am not picky about which one I could find, I am making a Audio CD > for a friend and would like to include some live footage or a video > for him to look at. If anyone could help me locate a video it would > be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to a reponse. There is a 5:44 video clip of the 2001 Shepherd's Bush concert here: http://www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30689 Re: Video of Tangerine Dream Kevin Robert Ball Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: John Gentile Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:26 pm Subject: This document and the sample We wou ld welcome any useful plug-ins you write (email them to }{\cs15\ul\cf2 helpuk@s...}{ and we may put them on our website). \par \par Although only a subset of the notations Sibelius supports are available from ManuScript, we will extend it as time goes on with the features p eople need for the type of plug-ins they need to write. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30623 Re: This document and the sample John Vertical Sun 12/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: 2002 Tour cancelled I just wanted to comment that TD's 1986 tour, specifically the bootleg 'Parisian Dream' has some fantastic percussive bits! In reference to TD cancelling the North American tour, maybe TD needs to get another booking agency! 8-\ From another pissed off fan here in the US [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'koulos' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate > So I open the box and find 4 CDs. Three are for the games and the > fourth one reads: > > 'Baldur's Gate - The Original Saga - Soundtrack - Music by Michael > Hoenig' > > All right! Another Hoenig soundtrack that is symphonic, but quite good. > > This is not the same soundtrack recently mentioned that came with a > collector's edition of Baldur's Gate II. [....sorry for the late of this post but i just now came back from a short trip....] ok the music is different but the game is the same or different? can you ask your son to tell us if we talk about 2 different games with different ST or the same game with 2 different ST? and also a little something for all of you TD diehard's to come at the next days ....[when a scanner get's near me ] yours kostas from greece From: vic rek Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate > > ok the music is different but the game is the same or different? > Both games and soundtracks are different. > and also a little something for all of you TD diehard's to come at the next > days > ....[when a scanner get's near me ] > Please give us thge URL when the scan is ready. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] This document and the sample >We wou >ld welcome any useful plug-ins you write (email them to }{\cs15\ul\cf2 >helpuk@s...}{ and we may put them on our website). >\par >\par Although only a subset of the notations Sibelius supports are >available from ManuScript, we will extend it as time goes on with the >features p >eople need for the type of plug-ins they need to write. Excuse me? Are you sure this got in the right place? Well, this might be just hunting for music professionals - but anyway... what? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 5:13 pm Subject: Re: post-franke recommendations >Post-Franke recommendations? Well, here we go... > >Mars Polaris, an absolute must >Transsiberia, very nice integration of the calmer and trance-y sides of >contemporary TD >Seven Letters of Tibet, a lovely album unless you go in for the more >energetic style... >Turn of the Tides, IMO the best Seattle years album pre-Goblins Club >Goblins Club, the first album in ages that showed some real scope and >lyricism > >Five great albums in ten years really isn't that bad considering how we >slate the post- >Franke years normally. Others, like Oasis, 220 Volt and Great Wall of China >aren't bad >either. Personally, I don't like Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty or any >incarnation of the >Dream Mixes (except What a Blast, which is somewhat similar in style) that >much, but >whatever works for you. Start with Mars Polaris and see what you like. > >Dennis I've already started with Mars Polaris two years ago. I don't quite like it. Already have Lily, Melrose, 220V & GC besides that... and all four are better than MP if you ask me. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'winniethepooh' Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Ok, tour dates anyone? Hey there all, just wanted to post something here about tour dates? I haven't posted much at all, BUT recalling the issues with the 9/11 incident, I wanted to find out what the possibilities of a real tour happening? I know originally the dates were pushed back to February, but hadn't seen nor heard a thing since. Anyone? dan Kayleighs Playhouse - Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com TheTrading_Group OR electric80s at Yahoogroups.com AOL IM (winnietiggerfan), MSN (seasonsend97@h...) or ICQ (138830117) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30653 Re: Ok, tour dates anyone? Grant M Somerville Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: T. Dream Concerts 1991-2001 It sure is a pity that TD has canceled this US tour. I had many plans for this tour together with fellow members of this list. So, it looks like the DM3 T-shirts were only on sale at the Bernau shows (maybe London?) and the DM3 tour only consisted of London and Warsaw. Too bad since the DM3 concerts were excellent! I just realized that this is the 3rd cancelation/postponement in a row! Just look: Jan-Feb 2002 - canceled Oct-Nov 2001 - postponed April 1999 - Eastern Germany/Europe mini tour (anyone remember this one)? - canceled So, the last tour was officially in 1997. QUESTION: Is there somewhere a definitive list of ALL shows from 1991-2001 (from the point where the 'Voices in the Dunes' book left off)? I would be very grateful (any many other fans I'm sure) if someone could post a list sorted by year. The most confusing tour year for me was 1997 with so many shows. I know there were many date/venue changes and (yes) cancelations. Thanks, Vic From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 7:50 am Subject: Re: cd for christmas --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > hi folks, i'd like to propose maybe an interesting > thread: > are you going to buy music as a christmas gift for > yourself? what are you going to get? why? I ordered few cd's: TD - Electronic Meditation Might be interesting TD - Poland Classic TD - The Seven Letters from Tibet Heard that this one is great TD - Dream Mixes 3 Everybody has been praising this one, so... Vangelis - Spiral The best Vangelis-quality I hope Hans Zimmer - Broken Arrow Hard edged action music. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30654 Re: cd for christmas, Tour Cancellation harry_groin Tue 12/18/2001 4 KB 30656 Re: cd for christmas, Dead Can Dance odean@m... Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:46 am Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary --- John Vertical wrote: > What?? > > Okay, they both have some whooshy background and a > structure of waving > volume level - but that's all the similarities I > hear. It's a far cry from > being exactly the same... > > Johnvertical I'm not talking about the background. The sharp sudden sounds have this Wahn-feeling. Something has to make those sounds, and it could very well be Chris, Edgar and Peter from their previous album. I might be wrong, but my suggestion is possible. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:49 am Subject: RE: [tadream] tastes --- John Vertical wrote: > I've even encountered an exception to the rule of > 'women don't like anything > pre-73'; I once played Atem to my mon (who doesn't > like any particular kind > of music) and she actually liked it. Then - a > certain schoolmate who's into > rap found 3am At The Border Of The Marsh From > Okefenokee nice. I have to disagree about the 'women don't like anything pre-73' thing. My mother actually likes Ricochet Part Two. And the piano intro from Pergamon Part One. My sister in other hand really likes only Live Miles. I've tried to get my friend, also a schoolmate, to start listening TD and other more meaningful stuff. He mostly listens Dimmu Borgir and other metal bands, which suck. He likes Zeit and Rubycon. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30643 Re: tastes armin_theissen Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30644 Re: tastes PENFOLD Mon 12/17/2001 4 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: Repetition --- John Vertical wrote: > >That Logos 34-41 doesnt have so much repetition... > In > >fact, it only repeats > >a long piece two times. The same thing happens on > >Desert Train track > >(at the end). > > > > > That is annoying enough for me. If that only would > be a melodic section - > but no, it's an electrodrum solo. Not too good a > thing for a chorus... And > yes, Desert Train is a very rerepepetititiveve > track. So, Vertical, you don't like repetition? Why do you like Exit then? Pilots of Purple Twilight and the title track are the most repetitive tracks I've heard. Sure there's happening alot in the sublevels, but the main themes are the same. Btw, Logos IS the most varied TD-album, whatever you might say. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys (Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums) --- John Vertical wrote: > Ambient Monkeys will be probably > boring, and I don't think I > want Hollywood Years either. Of the rest of the > soundtracks or the live > stuff - I really don't know. I actually could give > it a try at 7 Letters... Ambient Monkeys isn't boring in any ways. And yes, I just bought it. It has many great tracks under those wonderful, overwhelming nature sounds. Maybe the album can be little difficult to listen at first because you don't know what to think exactly, but it grows on you - little like Tubular Bells 3. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tastes I have to disagree about the 'women don't like anything pre-73' thing. My mother actually likes Ricochet Part Two. And the piano intro from Pergamon Part One. My sister in other hand really likes only Live Miles. Regards, TheInfection *Ummm.... Mr. Infection? Pre means 'before'.... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30633 Re: tastes TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tastes --- Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > I have to disagree about the 'women don't like > anything pre-73' thing. My mother actually likes > Ricochet Part Two. And the piano intro from Pergamon > Part One. My sister in other hand really likes only > Live Miles. > > Regards, > TheInfection > > *Ummm.... Mr. Infection? Pre means 'before'.... > Poly It's TheInfection. Just TheInfection. And yes, you're right. Sorry about that. I was in a bit of a hurry and rushed my current 'statement'. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ATTN: MARTIN, What about Inferno At 13:01 14.12.01 , you wrote: >Martin, > What about Inferno in Atlanta? Is it still on? > > Robert > > At 13:01 14.12.01 , you wrote: >Martin, > What about Inferno in Atlanta? Is it still on? > > Robert > > Dear Robert, we´re working on it. Nothing concrete scheduled yet, though. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: Dmitriy V N Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:16 pm Subject: Re: Waiting effect, Percussion, New Albums >That is annoying enough for me. If that only would be >a melodic section - but no, it's an electrodrum solo. >Not too good a thing for a chorus...And yes, Desert >Train is a very rerepepetititiveve track. By the way, there is a music effect based on repetition which I call 'waiting effect'. It happens when a track has a long repetitive theme and then suddenly changes in a very classy way (tangram set 2 has it in a few places) or when theme repeats several times and then ends (you can find it on both Logos & Desert Train we were discussing). In the middle of such thing you feel disoriented, don't know what to wait - a strange feeling which I enjoy very much. You must remember the structure of the track quite well before waiting effect starts working at full force. >Right, but when you say that eg. Phaedra has more >repetition than Logos - what do you mean then, if not >this? I just mean that the same struture repeats on it more times than on Logos > Well, why would I - why would anyone who's intending >to buy the original albums as well - go for a >compilation of unedited previously unreleased >material? Saying about compilations I meant all those millenium years albums like Atlantic Bridges/ Walls, Dream Encores, Hollywood Years, Tournado, Sohoman and all other who have old compositions rewritten in various ways. >Ones I have are Lily, Melrose, 220 Volt, Goblins Club >and Mars Polaris.I'm trying to get Optical Race too, >but the order seems to take aeons... and all >netstores like Amazon only have used copies. Is it out >of print or what? Have you tried www.synthmusicdirect.com? >Of recommendations I've gotten, I'd get TotT rather >than ToB and Rockoon. Turn Of The Tides? When I hear that first classical track + spanish guitar on Firetongues, I want to run away. As far and as soon as possible. The only two good tracks are Twilight Brigade and Jungle Journey > Percussion definitely is not a bad thing. The only >places where I think it's actually overused are >Tiergarten, Tiergarten is a piano track as far as I remember. >Underwater Twilight and Desert Train. That's really strange. Many other tracks/albums have more percussion. >The problem is moreso that albums have mostly had >percussion-based tracks since Le Parc, overwheming all >the other kinds of basic rhytms. TD has previously >been able to create _very_ creative rhytmic structures >(the peak could be in Encore, FM or WE) but I think >they've lost that after the mid-80's. > >John Vertical I don't consider it as a problem. If you like only synthesizers, listen to Under The Dome /RMI/ Airsculpture/ others like them. Drums also have an ability to create a certain atmosphere also the feeling is of course different from old albums. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30636 Re: Waiting effect, Percussion, New Albums TheInfection Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Waiting effect, Percussion, New Albums --- Dmitriy V N wrote: > > >That is annoying enough for me. If that only would > be > >a melodic section - but no, it's an electrodrum > solo. > >Not too good a thing for a chorus...And yes, Desert > >Train is a very rerepepetititiveve track. > > By the way, there is a music effect based on > repetition which I call 'waiting effect'. It happens > when a track has a long repetitive theme and then > suddenly changes in a very classy way (tangram set 2 > has it in a few places) or when theme repeats > several > times and then ends (you can find it on both Logos & > Desert Train we were discussing). In the middle of > such thing you feel disoriented, don't know what to > wait - a strange feeling which I enjoy very much. > You > must remember the structure of the track quite well > before waiting effect starts working at full force. I agree. It's nice when a familiar theme suddenly changes to something much more powerful or other way around (for example Cloudburst Flight)... > >Ones I have are Lily, Melrose, 220 Volt, Goblins > Club > >and Mars Polaris.I'm trying to get Optical Race > too, > >but the order seems to take aeons... and all > >netstores like Amazon only have used copies. Is it > out >of print or what? > > Have you tried www.synthmusicdirect.com? I would have a suggestion for Vertical also: www.bol.fi Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Exit vs. Logos (was: Repetition) >So, Vertical, you don't like repetition? Why do you >like Exit then? Pilots of Purple Twilight and the >title track are the most repetitive tracks I've heard. >Sure there's happening alot in the sublevels, but the >main themes are the same. Btw, Logos IS the most >varied TD-album, whatever you might say. > >Regards, >TheInfection > Well... the highlights of Exit definetly aren't those two. But they still are good to listen as background music - they're what I call 'rhytmic ambient'. Also, I never said that Exit would be among my top 5 albums. Logos does have more variety than in most other albums (including Exit)... but I think Poland is even more varied. One last thing: I said repetition is only a MINOR annoyance, not something that solely ranks a piece to be good or bad. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Rumpelstilskin in all fairness, the music makes more sense when you see the images, too. Although it wasn't a full-blown frame-by-frame animation, more like a [what's that called when they just fade from picture to picture? a montage?], it was an OK kids video. I checked it out from the library, and it was one in a whole series of children's stories on videocassette, all scored by famous artists, and narrated by famous actors. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dmitriy V N [mailto:oberic01@y...] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Rumpelstilskin > > > Rumpelstilskin?! You must be joking! It's a children > fairy-tale! I was really > disappointed when heard it for the first time. My > strict recommendation is not > to buy it: The CD contains the story itself + 25 mins > of unremarkable music. > Regards, > Dmitriy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Waiting effect, Percussion >By the way, there is a music effect based on >repetition which I call 'waiting effect'. It happens >when a track has a long repetitive theme and then >suddenly changes in a very classy way (tangram set 2 >has it in a few places) or when theme repeats several >times and then ends (you can find it on both Logos & >Desert Train we were discussing). In the middle of >such thing you feel disoriented, don't know what to >wait - a strange feeling which I enjoy very much. You >must remember the structure of the track quite well >before waiting effect starts working at full force. > I think I know what you mean. It is a good kind of effect if used properly. >I just mean that the same struture repeats on it more >times than on Logos > Phaedra is not as melody-centered, so it's not as bad. > >Tiergarten is a piano track as far as I remember. > But not a piano solo - the drumline entering at ~1.30 could well be left away without the track suffering at all. You might have a different opinion though... >That's really strange. Many other tracks/albums have >more percussion. > Well, these aren't the most percussive ones I know but the ones where the drums don't fit in. Underwater Twilight is a rather unpleasant mix of somewhat heavy percussion over gentler main tones. It's too drastic. Desert Train then - it's actually just the beginning. The very first melody sounds familiar, but when the drums gain strength at about 0.40 the greatness is lost; I don't like that at all. - I don't like violent transistion at 4.30 in Tangram set 1 either... >I don't consider it as a problem. If you like only >synthesizers, listen to Under The Dome /RMI/ >Airsculpture/ others like them. > >Drums also have an ability to create a certain >atmosphere also the feeling is of course different >from old albums. Hey, I have absolutely nothing against acoustic instruments. But I don't understand why EVERY single track should have drums, if the band can afford other ways of rhytm a well? (Same applies to guitar.) I'd love to hear more tracks devoid of standard drum voices, using bells, gong, xylophone etc. instead. (I'm NOT asking you to list that kind of tracks/bands, however) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30640 Re: Waiting effect, Percussion Michael Jean Mon 12/17/2001 2 KB 30660 Re: Waiting effect, Percussion David Hughes Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB 30671 Re: Waiting effect, Percussion Whiteley, Steve Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Waiting effect, Percussion I'll join in the whining... Underwater Twilight is one of my favorites...Because of this very contrast....and just because it is! ;^) Well, these aren't the most percussive ones I know but the ones where the drums don't fit in. Underwater Twilight is a rather unpleasant mix of somewhat heavy percussion over gentler main tones. It's too drastic. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate As far as I can tell from the box, the Baldur's Gate Original Saga package contains: all material for the original Baldur's Gate game all material for the 'Tales of the Sword Coast' expansion pack the soundtrack to the original Baldur's Gate game by Michael Hoenig. This is a bit odd since the original Baldur's Gate came on FIVE cd's and this box only contains 4 discs including the soundtrack. Baldur's Gate II is a completely different game, with it's own soundtrack, only available (AFAIK) in the collector's edition of BGII. However, I did find out that some video game companies (Westwood for instance) sell their video game soundtracks separately through catalog orders only. (For instance: you can get soundtrack discs for all the Command and Conquer series individually direct from Westwood). I have no idea if Black Isle does the same thing for the Baldur's Gate series. James > -----Original Message----- > From: koulos [mailto:koulos@s...] > > ok the music is different but the game is the same or different? > > can you ask your son to tell us if we talk about 2 different > games with > different ST or the same game with 2 different ST? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: cd for christmas I'll post on mine after Christmas, but I wanted to offer a word on Spiral: In my opinion, the two most electronic albums (not exactly TD-like, but most likely IMO to interest a TD fan) that Vangelis put out were Albedo 0.39 and Spiral. I think Albedo is a better album, but Spiral is a close second, with lots of really nice synthesizer work. As I said, any TD fan should have Albedo and Spiral in their collections. James > -----Original Message----- > From: TheInfection [mailto:rubyconist@y...] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:51 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: cd for christmas > > I ordered few cd's: > > Vangelis - Spiral > The best Vangelis-quality I hope Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30645 Re: cd for christmas mkljssl Mon 12/17/2001 3 KB 30679 Re: cd for christmas Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30711 Re: cd for christmas tei waz Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: Re: tastes ...and my girlfriend likes Alpha Cen/Zeit/Atem. Seems I've found the right one... ;-) armin --- In tadream@y..., TheInfection wrote: > > I have to disagree about the 'women don't like > anything pre-73' thing. My mother actually likes > Ricochet Part Two. And the piano intro from Pergamon > Part One. My sister in other hand really likes only > Live Miles. > From: PENFOLD Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tastes At 01.12.17 00:49, TheInfection wrote: >--- John Vertical wrote: > > I've even encountered an exception to the rule of 'women don't like > anything pre-73'; I once played Atem to my mon (who doesn't like any > particular kind of music) and she actually liked it. Then - a certain > schoolmate who's into rap found 3am At The Border Of The Marsh From > Okefenokee nice. > >I have to disagree about the 'women don't like anything pre-73' thing. My >mother actually likes Ricochet Part Two. And the piano intro from Pergamon >Part One. My sister in other hand really likes only Live Miles. > >I've tried to get my friend, also a schoolmate, to start listening TD and >other more meaningful stuff. He mostly listens Dimmu Borgir and other >metal bands, which suck. He likes Zeit and Rubycon. Putting in my €0.02 here My mother has pretty much tolerated my taste in TD but then again she's had to tolerate the music of my three other siblings. She's never exhibited enough patience with me to sit down and listen and appreciate TD (which kinda sucks because she's always seemed to have time for the siblings) besides her preference in 'New Age' music is the type and quality that is New Age (pronounced to rhyme with 'Sewage') that she'd play the same disc over and over and over and over......luckily she hasn't bought any Enya yet. My older sister has a bit of an appreciation for TD and can listen to some but not all, but has no real favourite. She did hear most of one of my DJ DreamHead sets in '00 at Burning Man and liked the mix. On the other hand, my younger sister absolutely *hates* TD. I was listening to _Logos_ while driving with her & her husband (now ex) up to San Francisco and she went totally non-linear, terming it 'Music For Dead People' an unfortunate appellation she'd applied to *all* of TD's output. She held her tongue at my wedding when my wife and I had _Ghazal_ played for our first dance. Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'mkljssl' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:41 pm Subject: Re: cd for christmas Ok, here's my list of 'CDs for present from me for me': Pekka Pohjola: Keesojen lehto (aka Matchematician's Air Display(?)) ---- Mainly because of its Mike Oldfield contribution, though I like Pohjola himself alot. Hawkwind: Space Ritual King Crimson: Red ---- After all, Christmas is the time of peace and joyfulness. >I think Albedo is a better album, but Spiral is a close second, with >lots of really nice synthesizer work. Albedo is one great piece of music. I haven't heard Spiral, but as soon as TheInfection gets it, I'm the first person to visit him. I hope this message gets its way to be posted properly. I'm have some strange problems with Yahoo and it doesn't post my contributions every time. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA From: 'mkljssl' Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary --- In tadream@y..., TheInfection wrote: > > --- John Vertical wrote: > > Wahn > > intro from Movements of a Visionary > > I think that intros are exactly the same. In movements > it's just messed up. Any toughts? I'm with InfO' with this one. It took me awhile before I really started to believe it, though. If you listen the human voices of Wahn and the odd sounds in the beginning of MoaV you should notice these are very similar in lenght and pitch. in Movements it has just been slowed down and maybe mixed a bit. BTW, does anyone know if all three are shouting in Wahn or is it just a burst of creativeness (sic?) of Edgar? ;-) MJUSSILA NP -- GRYPHON: Raindance From: 'mkljssl' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron The folllwing is from Elephant Talk/King Crimson FAQ. Maybe it can clear things a bit. === The Mellotron is a keyboard instrument that provided 'samples' of instruments in the pre-digital days. The white waist-high boxes seen in early photos of King Crimson are the most common version, the Model 400. It works by using a rack of 35 (one per key), 6-foot, three-track tapes, each with its own playback head. The tape strips are moved mechanically from side to side to select which track, and therefore which instrument is played when a key is depressed. A blend of any two instruments on adjacent tracks can be achieved by parking the rack so that the heads are 'halfway' between the two tracks. When a key is pressed, a motor-driven rotating spindle catches the front end of its associated strip of tape, pulling it across the tape head and the instrument(s) recorded on that tape are played back in the same fashion as a tape deck. The tape length and motor speed combine to provide about 8 seconds of playback time per note. When the key is lifted, a spring snaps the tape back to its original position, ready to be played again. It is monstrously hard to tune a Mellotron and keep it there. As one presses more keys, the motor is forced to drive more spindles. It usually responds to this demand by slowing down. This causes the tape to run more slowly and the notes go slightly flat. If one tunes single notes slightly sharp (by adjusting the motor speed), chords will sound in tune but single notes will sound sharp. Age and the rigors of travel worsen this condition. 'Tuning a Mellotron doesn't.' - Robert Fripp This system (as opposed to similar systems using tape loops) allowed each note to have it's own 'attack transient'. This is the beginning portion of a note played on any instrument, the most important part as far as the brain's ability to identify an instrument is concerned. In pre-sampler days, this was the only way this kind of 'realism' could be achieved. Other models included the Mark 1 and Mark 2, both with two side-by- side 35-note keyboards (G to F), the Model 300, (only two tracks per tape and a 52-note keyboard), and the T.550 (a 400 built into a road case). [last update:] In addition, there was also the Mark V which was effectively two M400s in one case. The Mellotron was preceded by the Chamberlin, an instrument based on very similar technology, and manufactured by the same company. Harry Chamberlin of California built the first such instrument, the Chamberlin Rhythmate using continuous tape loops. The Bradley brothers, Leslie, Frank and Norman, became involved in 1960 and produced the first Mark 1 in 1962. (Leslie Bradley passed away in Feb. '97.) Available sounds included strings, flutes, choirs, brass, sax, Hammond organ, marimba, glockenspiel, timpani rolls, and -lots- of sound effects, -including- the classical guitar run that opens 'The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill' on The Beatles' 'White Album.' Mike Dickson tells us that Tony Levin (electric cello) and Ian McDonald (classical flute) have recently contributed new sounds to the Streetly Mellotron library. [...] Q. What's the difference between a '57 Chevy and a Mellotron? A. You can tune a '57 Chevy. ==== Look also www.mellotron.com Sorry, if this message comes already second time. I've been having some problems with Yahoo and sometimes my postings won't be sent. MJUSSILA 'Sex is what no one knows about, but the saw - the saw is family.' From: 'mkljssl' Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: Mellotron The following is taken from the Elephant Talk/King Crimson FAQ. Maybe it clarifies things... ====== The Mellotron is a keyboard instrument that provided 'samples' of instruments in the pre-digital days. The white waist-high boxes seen in early photos of King Crimson are the most common version, the Model 400. It works by using a rack of 35 (one per key), 6-foot, three-track tapes, each with its own playback head. The tape strips are moved mechanically from side to side to select which track, and therefore which instrument is played when a key is depressed. A blend of any two instruments on adjacent tracks can be achieved by parking the rack so that the heads are 'halfway' between the two tracks. When a key is pressed, a motor-driven rotating spindle catches the front end of its associated strip of tape, pulling it across the tape head and the instrument(s) recorded on that tape are played back in the same fashion as a tape deck. The tape length and motor speed combine to provide about 8 seconds of playback time per note. When the key is lifted, a spring snaps the tape back to its original position, ready to be played again. It is monstrously hard to tune a Mellotron and keep it there. As one presses more keys, the motor is forced to drive more spindles. It usually responds to this demand by slowing down. This causes the tape to run more slowly and the notes go slightly flat. If one tunes single notes slightly sharp (by adjusting the motor speed), chords will sound in tune but single notes will sound sharp. Age and the rigors of travel worsen this condition. 'Tuning a Mellotron doesn't.' - Robert Fripp This system (as opposed to similar systems using tape loops) allowed each note to have it's own 'attack transient'. This is the beginning portion of a note played on any instrument, the most important part as far as the brain's ability to identify an instrument is concerned. In pre-sampler days, this was the only way this kind of 'realism' could be achieved. Other models included the Mark 1 and Mark 2, both with two side-by- side 35-note keyboards (G to F), the Model 300, (only two tracks per tape and a 52-note keyboard), and the T.550 (a 400 built into a road case). [last update:] In addition, there was also the Mark V which was effectively two M400s in one case. The Mellotron was preceded by the Chamberlin, an instrument based on very similar technology, and manufactured by the same company. Harry Chamberlin of California built the first such instrument, the Chamberlin Rhythmate using continuous tape loops. The Bradley brothers, Leslie, Frank and Norman, became involved in 1960 and produced the first Mark 1 in 1962. (Leslie Bradley passed away in Feb. '97.) Available sounds included strings, flutes, choirs, brass, sax, Hammond organ, marimba, glockenspiel, timpani rolls, and -lots- of sound effects, -including- the classical guitar run that opens 'The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill' on The Beatles' 'White Album.' Mike Dickson tells us that Tony Levin (electric cello) and Ian McDonald (classical flute) have recently contributed new sounds to the Streetly Mellotron library. [...] Q. What's the difference between a '57 Chevy and a Mellotron? A. You can tune a '57 Chevy. === There is also a web page dedicated to mellotron: www.mellotron.com (suprise, suprise). It has some good pictures of the instrument. MJUSSILA 'Sex is what nobody knows about, but the saw - the saw is family.' (- Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2) From: chris towers Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin on a personal not i find this CD quite a pleasant one. It is a hard to get item but i found mine on the CDNow website. I think i was close to the last one when i got mine but that was a while ago now, so maybe theyll have some more Chris --- Mathew Mckenzie wrote: > I think I'd have to say it's one for the collectors, > it's 'nice' but a bit > bland really, quite a lot of piano, short pieces > some nice tunes > > Mat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > Sent: 01 June 2001 17:07 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > > > > A friend of mine on this list has told me that TD's > Rumpelstiltskin is > actually pretty good, but the price of it sends me > running in the opposite > direction. Any other opinions on this CD? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:37 AM > Subject: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > > > > For those of you (very few I guess) who are able > to watch Swedish > Television > > it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run > Rumpeltstiltskin > tomorrow > > night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't > much of a horror movie but > I > > thought I should mention it because of the > TD-connection. > > > > /Olle > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's > Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush > Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin It was hard to find when it was new! To make matters more complicated, there were several versions of the release... (I think the music was the same, but some may have lacked the separate music tracks and the box...I could be wrong, but that is my recollection. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> cjt999fire2000@y... 12/17/01 05:28PM >>> on a personal not i find this CD quite a pleasant one. It is a hard to get item but i found mine on the CDNow website. I think i was close to the last one when i got mine but that was a while ago now, so maybe theyll have some more Chris --- Mathew Mckenzie wrote: > I think I'd have to say it's one for the collectors, > it's 'nice' but a bit > bland really, quite a lot of piano, short pieces > some nice tunes > > Mat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > Sent: 01 June 2001 17:07 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > > > > A friend of mine on this list has told me that TD's > Rumpelstiltskin is > actually pretty good, but the price of it sends me > running in the opposite > direction. Any other opinions on this CD? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:37 AM > Subject: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > > > > For those of you (very few I guess) who are able > to watch Swedish > Television > > it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run > Rumpeltstiltskin > tomorrow > > night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't > much of a horror movie but > I > > thought I should mention it because of the > TD-connection. > > > > /Olle > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's > Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush > Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mellotron ----- Original Message ----- From: 'mkljssl' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:39 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Mellotron > The folllwing is from Elephant Talk/King Crimson FAQ. Maybe it can > clear things a bit. > > === > > The Mellotron is a keyboard instrument that provided 'samples' of > instruments in the pre-digital days.( SNIP ) Thanks Mikael for a very informative description of what the Mellotron actually is and does . I've seen one in use a few times during the Jodrell Bank Concerts here in the UK but never actually new what it did , listening to the Gear heads around me raving on about it and actually bowing in worship infront of the machine . Obviously now I can join in with the worship of this complicated piece of equipment from now on . Regards to all Carl . ICQ # 97068019 From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: Re: Rumpelstilskin Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Rumpelstilskin joe shoults wrote: >I checked it out from the library, and it was one in a whole series of children's stories on videocassette, all scored by famous artists, and narrated by famous actors.< Ayup, somewhere I've the CD of aladdin and the magic lamp narrated by john hurt music by mickey hart, too. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'Grant M Somerville' Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ok, tour dates anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'winniethepooh' To: 'TADream' Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Ok, tour dates anyone? > Hey there all, just wanted to post something here about tour dates? I haven't posted much at all, BUT recalling the issues with the 9/11 incident, I wanted to find out what the possibilities of a real tour happening? I know originally the dates were pushed back to February, but hadn't seen nor heard a thing since. > > Anyone? > > dan fraid it's gone pear shaped...big style : ( From: 'harry_groin' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:48 am Subject: Re: cd for christmas, Tour Cancellation The company that provided my workplace with its high-speed internet connection went out of business last week, cutting off my e-mail...and so, I missed the news of TD's tour cancellation. I can't say that I'm disappointed, since a) they were snubbing Toronto by not coming here and b) TDs live show doesn't have much to recommend for it these days. Still, it's a shame for those who were looking forward to seeing them. What I find rather more disturbing is the lack of any other, more uplifting band news. No new releases in the pipeline (apart from Inferno, but that doesn't have a date attached to it yet). No official updates from the band members themselves. No plans to expand the TDI label, by publishing other artists. And no refurbishing of the Tangerine Dream website itself, which has always been pretty butt-ugly. The guestbook was really the only place where new content was being added - for better or for worse - and now that's gone. Anyway, I wanted to reply to the 'Christmas CD' thread. The MP3 revolution killed my music-buying days. I used to buy 2-3 discs each and every week, but this year the only CD I bought for myself was Dream Mixes 3. Until last week, that is. The record label 4AD has just shown the world how to entice people like myself back into the record stores. They've put together a 4-disc retrospective of one of my other favourite bands - Dead Can Dance. The songs were picked with input from the band themselves, and truly represent the best of their career. It offers 10 new songs, and they're good, not throw-aways. The fourth disc is a DVD, with their concert video Towards the Within, and 4 other videos besides. That was the real clincher for me. More bands have to learn how to exploit the power of DVD...TD, for instance! And it all comes in a beautifully designed 100 page book. I think there are some other DCD fans lurking here...I highly recommend the set to you. -Sean Montgomery (posting through the Yahoogroups website) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30656 Re: cd for christmas, Dead Can Dance odean@m... Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:56 am Subject: TDI Homepage update Hi all, here the official Statemant fropm the TDI Music Homepage for the USA Tour: -- Tangerine Dream USA Tour cancelled!!! Yes it's true....due to unfortunate circumstances, the Tangerine Dream USA tour had to be cancelled. After having to move the tour to January/February 2002 in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks, the booking agency did its best to make this tour happen, but due to circumstances beyond its or the band's control, it was impossible to maintain a tour itinerary that would have been economically feasible in regard to logistics and amount of off-days. The band is very unhappy about not being able to play to their American fans at this point in time, but there is nothing that either they or the agency could have possibly done further at this moment. TD apologize for any inconvenience caused and hope to be able to find an arrangement to see all you people in concert at the earliest possible convenience. We wish you a merry X-Mas and a happy and, above all, peaceful New Year. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: odean@m... Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: cd for christmas, Dead Can Dance At 06:48 AM 12/18/01 +0000, you wrote: >The record label 4AD has >just shown the world how to entice people like myself back into the >record stores. They've put together a 4-disc retrospective of one of >my other favourite bands - Dead Can Dance. The songs were picked with >input from the band themselves, and truly represent the best of their >career. It offers 10 new songs, and they're good, not throw-aways. >The fourth disc is a DVD, with their concert video Towards the Within, >and 4 other videos besides. That was the real clincher for me. >More bands have to learn how to exploit the power of DVD...TD, for >instance! And it all comes in a beautifully designed 100 page book. >I think there are some other DCD fans lurking here...I highly >recommend the set to you. > >-Sean Montgomery >(posting through the Yahoogroups website) I'm a big fan of their's as well and also have this box set. It is a truly amazing package. It's too bad that the group has dissolved but I really like Lisa's solo stuff nonetheless. DCD are definitely worth checking out. Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: Comments on TD albums sought Although I have all the early albums (up to Hyperborea) I'm considering buying some or all of the following ; Valentine Wheels / Transsiberia / Dream Mixes / Dream Mixes 2 so I'd welcome guidance from people who own copies. Thanks Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30668 Re: Comments on TD albums sought Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB 30685 Re: Valentine Wheels TheInfection Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:41 pm Subject: Baldurs gate searching Hi all, I am searching the Baldurs gate Box with the Michale Hoenig Soundtrack include. Please contact me offline for your offers. Thank you. Regards heiko (heiko@o...) www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de Insurance City AG - Hier Klicken - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?91424C1872486450 D2 Vodafone CallYa - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30659 Baldurs gate searching NEUMANN.H-J@t... Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:41 pm Subject: Baldurs gate searching Hi all, I am searching the Baldurs gate Box with the Michale Hoenig Soundtrack include. Please contact me offline for your offers. Thank you. Regards heiko (heiko@o...) www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de Insurance City AG - Hier Klicken - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?91424C1872486450 D2 Vodafone CallYa - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: David Hughes Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 1:12 pm Subject: Re: Re: Waiting effect, Percussion Hello all, 'Michael Jean' wrote : > Underwater Twilight is one of my favorites... >Because of this very contrast....and just because it is! ;^) Got to agree with you there, Michael. IMHO, 'UT' is one of the better TD albums, certainly 'The Song of the Whale' deserves to be up there in anyone's top ten. At a time when TD were moving towards shorter and shorter pieces i.e Le Parc, this album came as a breath of fresh air, fast, flowing sequences, nicely arranged and some stunning guitar work. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary >I'm with InfO' with this one. It took me awhile before I really >started to believe it, though. If you listen the human voices of Wahn >and the odd sounds in the beginning of MoaV you should notice these >are very similar in lenght and pitch. in Movements it has just been >slowed down and maybe mixed a bit. > >BTW, does anyone know if all three are shouting in Wahn or is it just >a burst of creativeness (sic?) of Edgar? ;-) > >MJUSSILA > >NP -- GRYPHON: Raindance I've heard that Wahn doesn't have vocals, being actually synthetized. Probably done with the same device as the outro of Alpha Centauri. The intro in Mo'V could anyway well be of similar origin as Wahn, whatever that source may be (and heavily mixed of course) - but I don't still believe that it could be _exactly_ the same. 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ID Date Size 30669 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB 30686 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary TheInfection Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30688 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary armin_theissen Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tastes >My mother has pretty much tolerated my taste in TD but then again >she's had to tolerate the music of my three other siblings. >She's never exhibited enough patience with me to sit down and >listen and appreciate TD (which kinda sucks because she's always seemed to >have time for the siblings) besides her preference in 'New Age' music is >the type and quality that is New Age (pronounced to rhyme with 'Sewage') >that she'd play the same disc over and over and over and over......luckily >she hasn't bought any Enya yet. I thought that it was too just a cliché that no one on this list does like Enya... I'm no fan of her though, but I don't hate her either. 'Sewage NewAge' is a funny phrase however... I'll keep that in mind. Oh, how full of point this reply was... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30670 OT: RE: [tadream] tastes PENFOLD Tue 12/18/2001 3 KB 30672 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] tastes chris towers Tue 12/18/2001 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Percussion, Notation > > Underwater Twilight is one of my favorites... > >Because of this very contrast....and just because it is! ;^) > >Got to agree with you there, Michael. IMHO, 'UT' is one of the better TD >albums, certainly 'The Song of the Whale' deserves to be up there in >anyone's top ten. At a time when TD were moving towards shorter and >shorter pieces i.e Le Parc, this album came as a breath of fresh air, >fast, flowing sequences, nicely arranged and some stunning guitar work. > >Regards > David We were referring to the track, not the album... Wouldn't my suggestion of adding an apostrophe at the end of the name when referring to an album be useful? (eg. the first track on Phaedra' is Phaedra) I think the drumming in UT should be given a less dominant role in the mix - which Edgar has to some extent aluckily done on Dream Roots, however. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tastes I rather like Enya. Some of her stuff is too sing-songy, but there are quite a few masterpieces. James > -----Original Message----- > I thought that it was too just a cliché that no one on this > list does like > Enya... I'm no fan of her though, but I don't hate her either. From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: >what the possibilities of a real tour happening? >> what the possibilities of a real tour happening? zero. TDI announced it here 'officially' Friday. I think gerald gradwohl's refusal to do the TD US 2001 tour led them to this reality for whatever the differences--see this link that another list member posted some time back: http://www.gradwohl.at or more specifically for English readers (about mid-page): http://www.gradwohl.at/english/indexe.html Where Gerald states: TANGERINE DREAM USA TOUR: Due to some differences I decided NOT to go on US tour with Tangerine Dream in fall!! I made this decision before the terrorism started in the US,but these tragic and horrible events confirmed my decision. My thoughts are with the victims and their relatives-God bless you all! --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Enya Me too....Though as music critic John Diliberto has said: 'She needs to get out of her castle more often.' Her last several albums have not broken any new ground, and we waited 5 years for her most recent 40 minute 'effort'. I am still missing the track 'Isobella' if anyone can provide me with a copy... For those who care, she has a new DVD and new Japanese CD coming out very today (I think). >>> james.owens@m... 12/18/01 11:48AM >>> I rather like Enya. Some of her stuff is too sing-songy, but there are quite a few masterpieces. James > -----Original Message----- > I thought that it was too just a cliché that no one on this > list does like > Enya... I'm no fan of her though, but I don't hate her either. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30673 Re: Enya PERGAMON Tue 12/18/2001 4 KB 30680 Re: Enya Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30682 Re: Enya odean@m... Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30674 Re: Enya Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB 30683 Re: Enya Dave Brewer Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30692 and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30699 Re: Enya Owens, James Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30705 Re: Enya Yannick EDOM Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: re >what the possibilities... http://www.gradwohl.at/english/indexe.html sorry that link no longer shows the quote I grabbed off gerald's website days ago. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Comments on TD albums sought In a message dated 12/18/2001 8:14:14 AM Central Standard Time, toby.braddick@u... writes: > Although I have all the early albums (up to Hyperborea) I'm > considering buying some or all of the following ; > > Valentine Wheels / Transsiberia / Dream Mixes / Dream Mixes 2 > > so I'd welcome guidance from people who own copies. > > Thanks > Toby *I just bought Transsiberia... I happen to be an 'old school' fan who happens to like some of the newer stuff, but Trans did not work for me... it seemed pretty colorless and forgetable... and if you're going to buy a Dream Mix... I think 3 is the best of the bunch by far. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:37 am Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary As far as I know, there was no way those voices could be artificially generated back in 73. The text in the end of Alpha Centauri was spoken by someone called Udo Dennenbourg (or Dennenborg or something), and the voices in the beginning of Atem, I suppose they're from TD members. > I've heard that Wahn doesn't have vocals, being actually synthetized. > Probably done with the same device as the outro of Alpha Centauri. The intro > in Mo'V could anyway well be of similar origin as Wahn, whatever that source > may be (and heavily mixed of course) - but I don't still believe that it > could be _exactly_ the same. > > John Vertical From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] tastes At 01.12.18 18:41, John Vertical wrote: > besides her preference in 'New Age' music is the type and quality that > is New Age (pronounced to rhyme with 'Sewage') that she'd play the same > disc over and over and over and over......luckily she hasn't bought any > Enya yet. > >I thought that it was too just a cliché that no one on this list does like >Enya... I'm no fan of her though, but I don't hate her either. My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' because it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called excuse for music sounds like the use of the same sound forms ad nauseam. It's also not wise to mention His Hairness, Yanni. (must not rag on Yawnni, must not rag on Yawnni) IMNSHO there's a special place in musician's Hell reserved for the likes of these people. >'Sewage NewAge' is a funny phrase however... I'll keep that in mind. it's a good one to use. Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30672 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] tastes chris towers Tue 12/18/2001 4 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: RE: Waiting effect, Percussion I like this effect too, to me its like I was cruising through the underwater twilight and a big old whale almost runs me over, definitely startling. > From: 'Michael Jean' >Subject: Re: Re: Waiting effect, Percussion > >I'll join in the whining... > >Underwater Twilight is one of my favorites...Because of this very contrast....and just because it is! >;^) > > >Well, these aren't the most percussive ones I know but the ones where the >drums don't fit in. Underwater Twilight is a rather unpleasant mix of >somewhat heavy percussion over gentler main tones. It's too drastic. > >Regards, > > >Michael A. Jean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] tastes Well, i dont know about anyone else opinion on Enya and Yanni, be it all the namecalling etc etc but theyre doing something right !!!! Chris --- PENFOLD wrote: > At 01.12.18 18:41, John Vertical wrote: > > besides her preference in 'New Age' music is the > type and quality that > > is New Age (pronounced to rhyme with 'Sewage') > that she'd play the same > > disc over and over and over and over......luckily > she hasn't bought any > > Enya yet. > > > >I thought that it was too just a cliché that no one > on this list does like > >Enya... I'm no fan of her though, but I don't hate > her either. > > My nickname for Enya is 'Miss > Five Presets' because > it seems that almost *every* example of her > so-called excuse for music > sounds like the use of the same sound forms ad > nauseam. > It's also not wise to mention > His Hairness, Yanni. > (must not rag on Yawnni, must not rag on Yawnni) > IMNSHO there's a special place in > musician's Hell reserved for the > likes of these people. > > >'Sewage NewAge' is a funny phrase however... I'll > keep that in mind. > > it's a good one to use. > > > Pete Isaacson > aka > DJ Dreamhead > mailto:penfold@a... > > Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it > in my hands, didn't have > the money.....Damn!!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya Hi Enya is the best. Her atmospheric music, makes the heavens sing. Don't care if shes not releasing an album every 6 month. When she does the music is GREAT. If she has to stay in her castle, to make her music..............ENYA, PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CASTLE!!!!! If anyone here disrespect Enya, I will personally beat them with a dead fried chicken..................so there...............:-) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael Jean' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Enya Me too....Though as music critic John Diliberto has said: 'She needs to get out of her castle more often.' Her last several albums have not broken any new ground, and we waited 5 years for her most recent 40 minute 'effort'. I am still missing the track 'Isobella' if anyone can provide me with a copy... For those who care, she has a new DVD and new Japanese CD coming out very today (I think). >>> james.owens@m... 12/18/01 11:48AM >>> I rather like Enya. Some of her stuff is too sing-songy, but there are quite a few masterpieces. James > -----Original Message----- > I thought that it was too just a cliché that no one on this > list does like > Enya... I'm no fan of her though, but I don't hate her either. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30680 Re: Enya Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30682 Re: Enya odean@m... Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya >>>If anyone here disrespect Enya, I will personally beat them with a dead fried chicken..................so there...............:-) Why waste food on such a plot? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: tom george Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: The Great Despot Speaks Dude get off your throne. Don't forget what you say is your opinion and your opinion only. I don't see God, Dictator, or Reverend in front of your name. Buy this, don't buy this, this is unremarkable. these don't sound like opinions or recommendations they sound like orders. who the hell appointed you as the leader of the pack. I love Rumplestiltskin for what it is, something completely different from anything else they have done, it is quite lovely and not at all sappy or unremarkable. This list is composed of many people that like many different things about the band. that doesn't make anyone wrong for liking something you don't. just back up a little and look at how you are coming across. voicing opinions are great but spounting orders like some kind of despot is not. I feel very strongly about alot of things too but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things. just my 'opinion' Tom Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 11:36:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Dmitriy V N > Buy DM3 first. Simply great! Also I can recommend > Transsiberia from soundtracks. > All the compilations/ previously unreleased material > aren't worth buing and > I don't like the sound of Seven Letters From Tibet. > He also says.....Rumplestiltskin is a fairy tale with 23 minutes of unremarkable music. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30676 Re: The Great Despot Speaks Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 12/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Dec 18, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Great Despot Speaks Will the circle be un-broken? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 12:36 am Subject: RE: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums Hmm, post Franke..... quiet slim pickings, MP being the slimmest IMHO. Try Melrose, 220, Turn of the Tides and Oasis, about the only ones that get a play. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] Sent: 16 December 2001 12:53 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: post-franke recommendations Re: [tadream] Re: Repetition, Percussion, New Albums Post-Franke recommendations? Well, here we go... Mars Polaris, an absolute must Transsiberia, very nice integration of the calmer and trance-y sides of contemporary TD Seven Letters of Tibet, a lovely album unless you go in for the more energetic style... Turn of the Tides, IMO the best Seattle years album pre-Goblins Club Goblins Club, the first album in ages that showed some real scope and lyricism Five great albums in ten years really isn't that bad considering how we slate the post- Franke years normally. Others, like Oasis, 220 Volt and Great Wall of China aren't bad either. Personally, I don't like Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty or any incarnation of the Dream Mixes (except What a Blast, which is somewhat similar in style) that much, but whatever works for you. Start with Mars Polaris and see what you like. Dennis On 15 Dec 2001 at 21:34, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I liked 220 volt live (1993) since the first time I heard it. I'm not > very inspired to give descriptions or whatever, but it's certainly > worth a try. I think many like this album. I also liked most of DM3 > the first time I heard it. I think great wall of china is also worth a > try; at first I didn't like it, but now I find it good. (not Very Good > though). > > GJ now playing: dreamwatchers' tales... Jeff Bergman's 'intense and > intimate journey into your mind'. Nise. :) > > >>I guess I need a few more post-Franke albums before I > >can start spotting > >>similariries in that era. > > > >Buy DM3 first. Simply great! Also I can recommend > >Transsiberia from soundtracks. > >All the compilations/ previously unreleased material > >aren't worth buing and > >I don't like the sound of Seven Letters From Tibet. > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] New Michael Hoenig Strk - Baldur's Gate BTW, the one RPG computer game I've been sparsely playing this year (you know, work, university, music and stuff), Icewind Dale, which is built on the engine of Baldurs'Gate and made by Black Isle, also has an excellent soundtrack! It's not made by Hoenig, and I'm not aware of a special edition with the soundtrack cd or anything. I can't even tell if the soundtrack is in audio tracks on the CD, because I leave the CD at work to play during lunch break, but it's certainly a well worth soundtrack to try. If anyone's interested, I can check if I can extract the soundtrack from the CD (if it's in audio tracks), and then send them somehow. on a side note, I love game soundtracks. I can just listen to the soundtrack to go back in time, when life was more fun, when I got to play lots of great games with their excellent soundtracks: Doom, Quake 2, Relentless (Little Big Adventure), Twinsen's Odyssey (L.B.A. 2), those funny LucasArts adventure games, and many many others. >(...) However, I did find out that some video game companies (Westwood for >instance) sell their video game soundtracks separately through catalog orders only. (For instance: you can get soundtrack discs for all the Command and Conquer series individually direct from Westwood). I have no idea if Black Isle does the same thing for the Baldur's Gate series. >James Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:17 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: cd for christmas I second that. As I've said other times, there are a few albums I consider the most important in electronic music. Albedo 0.39 is one of them. Spiral is also excellent, but I like Albedo much better, maybe for its wide variety. As I like to say, other such essential electronic albums for me would be Phaedra, Ricochet, Oxygene, Equinoxe, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Mirage, X, Timewind, E2-E4, Computer World etc. >I'll post on mine after Christmas, but I wanted to offer a word on Spiral: >In my opinion, the two most electronic albums (not exactly TD-like, but most >likely IMO to interest a TD fan) >that Vangelis put out were Albedo 0.39 and Spiral. I think Albedo is a >better album, but Spiral is a close second, with lots of really nice >synthesizer work. As I said, any TD fan should have Albedo and Spiral in >their collections. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya Although I don't know much about Enya - my mom bought her 'shepherd moons' A Long Time Ago, before I even thought about buying music and before I was even aware of the beginnings of electronic music (read TD and Schulze). And I always liked the smoothness of that album, with Enya's beaufitul voice heavily treated and multiplied and amplified making her sound like a well-crafted synth timbre or a heavenly Mellotron... I always think about getting her first album, because I've heard it's the best. There's that Orinoco Flow 'Sail Away' track in there which, I know, is so cliché but I like it very much. I'm pretty sure all the albums sound the same anyway, but I never actually buy that first album. Someday I will... >Hi > Enya is the best. Her atmospheric music, makes the heavens sing. Don't care if shes not releasing an album every 6 month. When she does the music is GREAT. If she has to stay in her castle, to make her music..............ENYA, PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CASTLE!!!!! > If anyone here disrespect Enya, I will personally beat them with a dead fried chicken..................so there...............:-) >Jan Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30682 Re: Enya odean@m... Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 3:12 am Subject: Re: Enya (OT) In a message dated 12/18/01 2:01:53 PM, penfold@a... writes: >My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' because >it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called excuse for music >sounds like the use of the same sound forms ad nauseam. Even more shockingly, every single piano sonata that simpleton Beethoven ever wrote uses the exact same preset--some generic piano patch. Guess that makes it musically invalid. Come on, man, lighten up. If you don't like it, just ignore it. (At least it's easier to ignore than, say, Limp Bizkit or something.) Hope this doesn't come across as a flame. Just trying to put things in perspective. --Daniel NP: Edguy--Mandrake Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30703 Re: Enya (OT) Joe Shoults Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30706 Re: Enya (OT) Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30787 Re: Enya (OT) Miguel Farah F. Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB From: odean@m... Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya At 12:13 AM 12/19/01 -0200, you wrote: >I always think about getting her first album, because I've heard it's the >best. There's that Orinoco Flow 'Sail Away' track in there which, I know, >is so cliché but I like it very much. I'm pretty sure all the albums sound >the same anyway, but I never actually buy that first album. Someday I will... > > >Gustavo Jobim >gustavojobim@n... Actually 'Orinoco Flow (Sail Away)' is from Enya's 2nd album called 'Watermark.' Her first album simply titled 'Enya' was later re-released under the title 'The Celts.' Oscar Dean http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ NP: Stereolab - Sound Dust [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya Jan said: > Enya is the best. Her atmospheric music, makes the heavens sing. Don't care if shes not releasing an album every 6 month. When she does the music is GREAT. If she has to stay in her castle, to make her music..............ENYA, PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CASTLE!!!!! > I too must come to Enya's defense. I actually discovered her music in 1988, about a year before I started listening to TD. It was about that time that I really started searching for something different (from pop music). I love it when she comes out with something new. And I don't think she's just recycling all the same sounds over and over. Sure, she uses a lot of orchestral type sounds, and layers hundreds of overdubs of her voice on most of her songs, but I hear unique sounds from album to album. I think this is related to that debate of whether Klaus Schulze's (or whomever your fav artist is) music all sounds alike. I actually find her very first album (Enya, or the Celts) is quite an electronic album, albeit with some Celtic folk styling in spots. Tomorrow night, I'll find out how her music is used in the Fellowship of the Ring movie. :-) Dave B. (who's read Lord of the Rings a couple of times) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30692 and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:36 am Subject: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:59:49 -0800 PENFOLD writes: > My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' > because it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called > excuse for music sounds like the use of the same sound forms > ad nauseam. Kitaro is almost as guilty of this. Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30694 Re: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) PENFOLD Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30695 Re: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) Synthhtnys@a... Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30700 Re: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) Owens, James Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30701 Re: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) moxica@m... Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30704 Re: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) Joe Shoults Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB 30709 Re: The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 12/19/2001 3 KB From: TheInfection Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:58 am Subject: Re: Valentine Wheels --- braddito wrote: > Although I have all the early albums (up to > Hyperborea) I'm > considering buying some or all of the following ; > > Valentine Wheels / Transsiberia / Dream Mixes / > Dream Mixes 2 > > so I'd welcome guidance from people who own copies. > > Thanks > Toby I bought recently Valentine Wheels and liked it. It has all the classics from old days. Even Stratosfear 1995 is good track. I would give three and a half stars from five. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary --- John Vertical wrote: > I've heard that Wahn doesn't have vocals, being > actually synthetized. > Probably done with the same device as the outro of > Alpha Centauri. The intro > in Mo'V could anyway well be of similar origin as > Wahn, whatever that source > may be (and heavily mixed of course) - but I don't > still believe that it > could be _exactly_ the same. > > John Vertical It seems that you haven't heard Wahn... They clearly scream and shout at the very beginning. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:45 am Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] tastes >IMNSHO there's a special place in musician's Hell reserved for the >likes of these people. > I remember seeing a Gary Larson cartoon of quite similar subject... there was this one guy (never heard his name before but I guess he's not just some Average Joe) in a closed room with a mirror window... on the other side there was a devil DJ playing nothing but compilations like 'The Very Best Of New Age'. Titled 'The Private Hell Of ' John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'armin_theissen' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary the vocals on 'Wahn' and 'Alpha Centauri' are definetly real and not synthesized. Of course, it is treated a bit The intro of 'Movements...' sounds very much like a standard white noise generator (filtered etc.) to me. armin --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > I've heard that Wahn doesn't have vocals, being actually synthetized. > Probably done with the same device as the outro of Alpha Centauri. The intro > in Mo'V could anyway well be of similar origin as Wahn, whatever that source > may be (and heavily mixed of course) - but I don't still believe that it > could be _exactly_ the same. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:09 am Subject: RE: Video of Tangerine Dream Superb! Thank You. -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@n...] Sent: 16 December 2001 13:37 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Video of Tangerine Dream There is a 5:44 video clip of the 2001 Shepherd's Bush concert here: http://www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ Antonio From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary >the vocals on 'Wahn' and 'Alpha Centauri' are definetly real and >not synthesized. > >Of course, it is treated a bit > >The intro of 'Movements...' sounds very much like a standard >white noise generator (filtered etc.) to me. > >armin > In Alpha, it's more about the background choral... I can well believe that Wahn is real human voices, but however I still recall some site (specifically: www.caby.de/Music/General/tdlyrics.txt) claiming those voices are done with a device called 'Vocoder'. Some people here might know more about that machine...? Is it a voice generator or just a mixer? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30691 Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary TheInfection Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30696 Re: Vocoders TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 12/19/2001 4 KB From: TheInfection Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:04 am Subject: Re: Wahn/Movements of Visionary --- John Vertical wrote: > In Alpha, it's more about the background choral... > I can well believe that Wahn is real human voices, > but however I still > recall some site (specifically: > www.caby.de/Music/General/tdlyrics.txt) > claiming those voices are done with a device called > 'Vocoder'. Some people > here might know more about that machine...? Is it a > voice generator or just > a mixer? > > John Vertical I think we all know what vocoders sound (especially Mike Oldfield fans :-). Not always the same of course, but there is a huge difference. Voices in Wahn aren't vocoded. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30696 Re: Vocoders TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 12/19/2001 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:14 pm Subject: and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya Indeed, Schulze's quite like Enya this way, with his melodies and solos he plays everywhere from Irrlicht (1972) to Live at Klangart (2001). Still, I can't get enough Schulze albums! :) I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien since august 1999. I did write on the book the date and time I began reading the Hobbit back then! :) And I've read the Hobbit 3 times... but still haven't finished reading those appendixes in LOTR about the kings and stuff (just lazy to finish them). I also read the Silmarillion, which is great. Can't wait for the movie; it'll be released down here in January 1st, next second Tuesday. BTW, I've just bought a special limited edition of LOTR in just one volume, with a hard black cover which shows only the book title, Tolkien's name and that JRR logo he invented, in red ink, the yellowish pages painted with golden ink in the edges, you know, when you close the book you see the golden ink, like a big old catholic Bible there's at home. There were only 10000 of those made, and my copy is number 8888. Nice huh? ok, didn't add much to the discussion, but now I've written all that I'm not going to delete it... sorry! ;) -GJ > I too must come to Enya's defense. (...) Sure, she uses a lot of orchestral type sounds, and layers hundreds of overdubs of her voice on most of her songs, but I hear unique sounds from album to album. I think this is related to that debate of whether Klaus Schulze's (or whomever your fav artist is) music all sounds alike. I actually find her very first album (Enya, or the Celts) is quite an electronic album, albeit with some Celtic folk styling in spots. Tomorrow night, I'll find out how her music is used in the Fellowship of the Ring movie. :-) > > Dave B. (who's read Lord of the Rings a couple of times) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien since august 1999. *My wife has read the LOTR trilogy at the very least once a year since I married her. I've been married to her for 20 years... More often she has read them like 2 or 3 times in a year! I've only read them a couple of times, but love 'em and also can't wait for the movie... I think they're finally going to do it right... I really don't like fantasy as a genre but to my way of thinking LOTR transcends the fantasy style... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30697 Re: and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya Michal Moroz Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) At 01.12.19 00:36, scfeldman@j... wrote: >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:59:49 -0800 PENFOLD writes: > > > My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' > > because it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called > > excuse for music sounds like the use of the same sound forms > > ad nauseam. > > Kitaro is almost as guilty of this. That's why I have no Kitaro in my collection. After the third LP (yep, vinyl) and hearing pretty much the same stuph.....I divested my collection of his music.....I don't think I've missed anything. €0.02 Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) In a message dated 12/19/2001 4:38:33 AM Central Standard Time, penfold@a... writes: > > Kitaro is almost as guilty of this. > > That's why I have no Kitaro in my collection. *I have one Kitaro - The Silk Road... I feel that this one was a high moment for him, and pretty much summed up all he had to say musically. No he didn't stray from his formula much. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Vocoders At 02:04 19.12.01 , you wrote: > >--- John Vertical wrote: >> In Alpha, it's more about the background choral... >> I can well believe that Wahn is real human voices, >> but however I still >> recall some site (specifically: >> www.caby.de/Music/General/tdlyrics.txt) >> claiming those voices are done with a device called >> 'Vocoder'. Some people >> here might know more about that machine...? Is it a >> voice generator or just >> a mixer? >> >> John Vertical > Hi, a vocoder is a sort of effects unit that can modify a real voice (...or any other sound you like) by modulating it with another tone. Old vocoders used a sine or saw wave which could be further modulated with filters to modify the orginal signal. Newer, digital versions can also use any second signal you apply to them as a modulator. They can also be triggered by MIDI. The modulating signal will implant its tonality to the original voice, i.e. in older versions it had to be tuned to fit the piece it was used in. Newer versions can be triggered by a MIDI track. The classic vocoder sound is the robot voice you hear in so many recordings of the Seventies and early Eighties. A Singer´s voice is run trhough a vocoder and modified accordingly. Examples: - The Beginning of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' by TD - Kraftwerk - The Robots - Mike Oldfield - Five Miles Out - Lauie Anderson - 'Oh, Superman' A new very special form of vocoder is Antares´ 'AutoTune'. It can be triggered via MIDI and can also be used to modify the pitch of a voice, including formants for realistic sounds. You can use it to correct tracks where unexpertised singers run out of pitch - by simply playing the notes onto a MIDI track and letting this track modify the recording (you will find this on any Britney Spears or Boygroup record). If you use a different melody from the one the singer is singing and set the detune level to 'high', the MIDI track will modulate the vocal in vocoder fashion, making the notes slide and detune to a different pitch. An example of this is Cher´s 'Believe'. I personally detest this effect and believe it´s overused in modern dance music. Good plug-in vocoders: - Orange Vocoder - Steinberg Vocoder (CuBase VST 5.1) - Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Martin Kasprzak TDI- MUSIC (martin@t...) TDI MUSIC Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 P.O. Box 30 33 40 10728 Berlin Germany http://www.tdi-music-mall.de From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya > I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien > since august 1999. > > *My wife has read the LOTR trilogy at the very least once a year since I > married her. > I've been married to her for 20 years... More often she has read them like 2 > or 3 times in a year! I've only read them a couple of times, but love 'em and > also can't wait for the movie... I think they're finally going to do it > right... I really don't like fantasy as a genre > but to my way of thinking LOTR transcends the fantasy style... > Poly I'm going to see the movie today evening ;) Station http://velo.lexx.eu.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'kotzkarnickel' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 12:24 pm Subject: Tournado & Transiberia for sale! I am selling these two TD-CD's at ebay: * Tournado * Transsiberia watch at http://cgi6.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&useri d=kotzkarnickel&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 happy bidding! From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Enya You're referring to Watermark, which is actually her SECOND album. The soundtrack to the American Public Television series 'The Celts' was the first, originally released under just her name 'Enya', later re-released as 'The Celts' with one slightly expanded track. However, Watermark is my favorite, and has many tracks that outclass 'Orinoco Flow' (though none of them got the radio play of that track). If you don't have 'Watermark' I highly recommend it. James > -----Original Message----- > I always think about getting her first album, because I've > heard it's the best. There's that Orinoco Flow 'Sail Away' > track in there which, I know, is so cliché but I like it very > much. I'm pretty sure all the albums sound the same anyway, > but I never actually buy that first album. Someday I will... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) Hmm... And KITARO learned the synthesizer from Klaus Schulze... what does that tell you... James (6 degrees of Tangerine Dream anyone?) > -----Original Message----- > From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:36 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:59:49 -0800 PENFOLD > writes: > > > My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' > > because it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called > > excuse for music sounds like the use of the same sound forms > > ad nauseam. > > Kitaro is almost as guilty of this. > > Steven Feldman > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: (6 degrees of Tangerine Dream anyone?) Ooh! Cool idea! Lesse, Bryan Adams sang a duet with Tina Turner, and Paul Haslinger was a touring musician with Tina Turner... Iggy Pop, David Bowie, Supertramp, Jon Anderson -- the possibilities are almost endless! - jim From: tom george Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: OOT-Enya Hi Gustavo and other Enya affeccianados, the album you are referring to as her first is actually 'Watermark' which contains 'Orinico Flow' or Sail Away. That is her second album; the first being 'The Celts'. 'The Celts' is a great introduction (IMO) because it contains at least as many beautiful electronic instrumentals as it does vocal pieces. This is the album i first heard back in the '80s on Hearts of Space radio. At that time she was a complete unknown (except for the few people that had heard her as a member of Clannad) and one of the very few female electronic music artists. I like everything she has done since although I do think some of it is a little sappy since ahe has gotten worldwide recognition. Her new album is great (IMO) although I was also disappointed in its length (30 something minutes). I made a great 76 minute cdr out of it by adding her 'Christmas EP' from several years ago, the two new cuts off of the 'Lord of the Rings' soundtrack and the bonus tracks from her 3 British single releases from the album. I think she is a beautiful person, a great artist and the world would be a better place if it had more people in it like her. Can't wait to get the new DVD of her videos. All of this is of course my own humble opinion and can be taken with a grain of salt. If you want to let the arrows fly or start throwing stones......carry on. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enya (OT) LOL! > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:12 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enya (OT) > > > In a message dated 12/18/01 2:01:53 PM, penfold@a... writes: > > >My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' because > >it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called excuse > for music > >sounds like the use of the same sound forms ad nauseam. > > Even more shockingly, every single piano sonata that > simpleton Beethoven ever > wrote uses the exact same preset--some generic piano patch. > Guess that makes > it musically invalid. > > Come on, man, lighten up. If you don't like it, just ignore > it. (At least > it's easier to ignore than, say, Limp Bizkit or something.) > > Hope this doesn't come across as a flame. Just trying to put > things in > perspective. > > --Daniel > NP: Edguy--Mandrake > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) FYI: we have links to several Kitaro selections on our 'AudioFiles' page at tadream.net. You can listen to them in RealAudio right now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:40 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) > > > In a message dated 12/19/2001 4:38:33 AM Central Standard Time, > penfold@a... writes: > > > > > Kitaro is almost as guilty of this. > > > > That's why I have no Kitaro in my collection. > > *I have one Kitaro - The Silk Road... I feel that this one > was a high moment > for him, and pretty much summed up all he had to say > musically. No he didn't > stray from his formula much. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya Hi there >You're referring to Watermark, which is actually her SECOND album. The >soundtrack to the American Public Television series 'The Celts' was the >first, originally released under just her name 'Enya', later re-released as >'The Celts' with one slightly expanded track. In fact 'Watermark' is the third album and 'the celts' the second simply because of the Soundtrack album 'The Frog Prince' released one year before The original 'the celts' one. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enya (OT) and it continues today I do agree that some same-old-same-old sounds can get to ones nerves, it isn't fair to just chastises the whole song or entire collection as such. After all what is the Berlin Method? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Enya (OT) > In a message dated 12/18/01 2:01:53 PM, penfold@a... writes: > > >My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' because > >it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called excuse for music > >sounds like the use of the same sound forms ad nauseam. > > Even more shockingly, every single piano sonata that simpleton Beethoven ever > wrote uses the exact same preset--some generic piano patch. Guess that makes > it musically invalid. > it's easier to ignore than, say, Limp Bizkit or something.) > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Vocoders There is also a DirectX plugin vocoder from AnalogX. Here is the about.txt that comes with it: 'Are you longing for the return of Disco, or perhaps have some of the newer club tunes got you wishing you could get your synthesizer sounding as if it could talk? Yes, it hardly seems possible - but thanks to modern technology you to can make your synth pad come to life with your voice courtesy of AnalogX Vocoder! Simply supply a wave file with some speech (or singing), supply another wave file with an instrument playing, and voila! Your instrument will now be modulated by the speech wave and it will sound as if it's talking. You can vary the effect from very slight to almost unrecognizable, from smooth and flowing to hard and rhythmic. AnalogX Vocoder outputs 16-bit/mono/44100 wave files and can load any sample rate and any bit depth mono wave files.' You can thank me later for this link to a bunch of awesome free utilities > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI MUSIC- Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:09 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Vocoders > > > At 02:04 19.12.01 , you wrote: > > > >--- John Vertical wrote: > >> In Alpha, it's more about the background choral... > >> I can well believe that Wahn is real human voices, > >> but however I still > >> recall some site (specifically: > >> www.caby.de/Music/General/tdlyrics.txt) > >> claiming those voices are done with a device called > >> 'Vocoder'. Some people > >> here might know more about that machine...? Is it a > >> voice generator or just > >> a mixer? > >> > >> John Vertical > > > Hi, > > a vocoder is a sort of effects unit that can modify a real > voice (...or any > other sound you like) by modulating it with another tone. Old > vocoders used > a sine or saw wave which could be further modulated with > filters to modify > the orginal signal. Newer, digital versions can also use any > second signal > you apply to them as a modulator. They can also be triggered > by MIDI. The > modulating signal will implant its tonality to the original > voice, i.e. in > older versions it had to be tuned to fit the piece it was > used in. Newer > versions can be triggered by a MIDI track. > The classic vocoder sound is the robot voice you hear in so > many recordings > of the Seventies and early Eighties. A Singer´s voice is run trhough a > vocoder and modified accordingly. Examples: > - The Beginning of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' by TD > - Kraftwerk - The Robots > - Mike Oldfield - Five Miles Out > - Lauie Anderson - 'Oh, Superman' > > A new very special form of vocoder is Antares´ 'AutoTune'. It can be > triggered via MIDI and can also be used to modify the pitch > of a voice, > including formants for realistic sounds. You can use it to > correct tracks > where unexpertised singers run out of pitch - by simply > playing the notes > onto a MIDI track and letting this track modify the recording > (you will > find this on any Britney Spears or Boygroup record). If you > use a different > melody from the one the singer is singing and set the detune level to > 'high', the MIDI track will modulate the vocal in vocoder > fashion, making > the notes slide and detune to a different pitch. An example of this is > Cher´s 'Believe'. I personally detest this effect and believe > it´s overused > in modern dance music. > > Good plug-in vocoders: > - Orange Vocoder > - Steinberg Vocoder (CuBase VST 5.1) > - > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, > > Martin Kasprzak > > TDI- MUSIC > (martin@t...) > > TDI MUSIC > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > P.O. Box 30 33 40 > 10728 Berlin > Germany > > > > > http://www.tdi-music-mall.de > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30708 Re: Vocoders Joe Shoults Wed 12/19/2001 2 KB 30713 Re: Vocoders quarlie@a... Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Vocoders öops- hit 'send' instead of 'paste' ;-0 http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:11 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Vocoders > > > You can thank me later for this link to a bunch of awesome > free utilities > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) Oh please don't give Kitaro into this. Yes he is surely as guiltily but his music runs a vast different style. So here, put Shadowfax into the fry as well. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: [tadream] The Enya/Kitaro Connection ;) > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:59:49 -0800 PENFOLD writes: > > > My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' > > because it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called > > excuse for music sounds like the use of the same sound forms > > ad nauseam. > > Kitaro is almost as guilty of this. > > Steven Feldman > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: ot mishmash/The Enya/Kitaro Connection >Hmm... And KITARO learned the synthesizer from Klaus Schulze... what does that tell you...< kitaro's responsible for all those cheap japanese synths that don't come close to the german ones? :) >James (6 degrees of Tangerine Dream anyone?)< kitaro (light of the spirit album>mickey hart>sammy hagar (marching to mars album) >Shadowfax into the fry as well.< i love shadowfax--got to see 'em twice RIP chuck greenberg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30764 Re: ot mishmash/The Enya/Kitaro Connection Deb H-J Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Re: cd for christmas --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: >hi folks, i'd like to propose maybe an interesting >thread: >are you going to buy music as a christmas gift for >yourself? what are you going to get? why? Early gift to my self Parallel Dreams Volume 2. That said, also King Crimson's live Level Five CD EP--'cause I saw a couple of shows from the tour (Summer 2001) and want to give them as Christmas gifts to my KC tour buddies and have one for my self. Also Sid Smith's book 'In the Court of King Crimson' (signed ltd edition) Check the info at http://www.inthecourtofkingcrimson.com from publisher Helter Skelter http://www.skelter.demon.co.uk/ --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater ... Perhaps that would work for Phaedra'/Phaedra, but in this case the name of the album is Underwater Sunlight. 8-) Dell >From: 'John Vertical' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Percussion, Notation >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:46:03 +0200 > > > > Underwater Twilight is one of my favorites... > > >Because of this very contrast....and just because it is! ;^) > > > >Got to agree with you there, Michael. IMHO, 'UT' is one of the better TD > >albums, certainly 'The Song of the Whale' deserves to be up there in > >anyone's top ten. At a time when TD were moving towards shorter and > >shorter pieces i.e Le Parc, this album came as a breath of fresh air, > >fast, flowing sequences, nicely arranged and some stunning guitar work. > > > >Regards > > David > > >We were referring to the track, not the album... Wouldn't my suggestion of >adding an apostrophe at the end of the name when referring to an album be >useful? (eg. the first track on Phaedra' is Phaedra) > >I think the drumming in UT should be given a less dominant role in the mix >- >which Edgar has to some extent aluckily done on Dream Roots, however. > >John Vertical As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 4:47 am Subject: Re: Vocoders In a message dated 12/19/01 6:14:14 AM, manager@t... writes: >A new very special form of vocoder is Antares´ 'AutoTune'. It can be >triggered via MIDI and can also be used to modify the pitch of a voice, >including formants for realistic sounds. [...] >If you use a different >melody from the one the singer is singing and set the detune level to >'high', the MIDI track will modulate the vocal in vocoder fashion, making >the notes slide and detune to a different pitch. An example of this is >Cher´s 'Believe'. I personally detest this effect and believe it´s overused >in modern dance music. I have to agree. And it's not just dance music. I recently had the misfortune to hear a Kid Rock song which involved extensive usage of AutoTune. I don't like Kid Rock to begin with, and the addition of that now-ubiquitous cliche didn't help. --Daniel NP: Dream Theater--Awake From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:32 am Subject: LotR > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:21:59 EST > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Re: and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya > > I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien > since august 1999. Before anybody starts to comment on discussing _LotR_ on this list, let me inject something a bit more on topic: Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the Rings_? Comments? I listened to this (apparently I have the 1986 remixed version; the original was produced in 1970) last week, after many years. As music, I find it so-so; there's a lot of repetition and not as much atmosphere as in TD music from the same era (_Electronic Meditation_ excepted, of course). I also couldn't match the music to the pictures of _LotR_ I've carried around in my head for perhaps a quarter century now (I still hope that some of them will match the movie :-). On a subjective scale from 0 to 10, I'd give it a 6. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30717 LotR Klaus Beschorner Thu 12/20/2001 3 KB 30725 LotR olle.rundgren@s... Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB From: David Hughes Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:54 am Subject: LOTR (OT) Hello all, Poly said : > My wife has read the LOTR trilogy at the very least once a year since I > married her. > I've been married to her for 20 years... More often she has read them like 2 > or 3 times in a year! I've only read them a couple of times, but love 'em and > also can't wait for the movie... I think they're finally going to do it > right... I really don't like fantasy as a genre > but to my way of thinking LOTR transcends the fantasy style... Only read the book once but the Mrs has read it three times now. Going to see the film tonight. Had to book the seats over a month ago to stand a chance. I sincerely hope it's better than the Harry Potter movie! Nothing at all to do with TD or Electronic Music but, hey, it's Christmas! Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30716 Re: LOTR (OT) Synthhtnys@a... Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 31054 LOTR (OT) horrod6 Sat 1/5/2002 2 KB 31057 Re: LOTR (OT) PENFOLD Sun 1/6/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] LOTR (OT) Only read the book once but the Mrs has read it three times now. Going to see the film tonight. Had to book the seats over a month ago to stand a chance. I sincerely hope it's better than the Harry Potter movie! Nothing at all to do with TD or Electronic Music but, hey, it's Christmas! Regards David Infection Music *Personally, I have a very good feeling about this movie version... I think they're finally going to do it right. I saw a promo last night that left me speechless.... Let us know what you think, Dave... Poly From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:01 am Subject: LotR >Before anybody starts to comment on discussing _LotR_ on this list, let >me inject something a bit more on topic: > >Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the >Rings_? Comments? I liked it very much at the time I first heard it (around 1974-5). A few tracks were played in a radio special about musical adaptions of Fantasy/SF themes. Some very good stuff there, unfortunately the cassette didn't survive the many years of intensive playing :-( I got me all of Bo's LPs over time, some even the Swedish originals. They're all 'nice', but, similar to Kitaro, he's an artist who didn't vary his act much from album to album. To steer this at least close to the shores of 'on topic', a while later I wrote an article for a SF fanzine about music/SF&F connections, which of course included Bo's 'Sagan om Ringen'. The TD connection here is that I recommended Stratosfear as a good background music to read Stanslav Lem's 'Solaris' , and contemporary (mid-70s) Hawkwind to Niven/Pournelle's 'Lucifer's Hammer' ;-) Today, I prefer to do my reading in peace and quiet ;-) happy holidays klaus From: Dmitriy V N Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 1:03 pm Subject: Melrose Years I'm now listening to Melrose years so I decided to describe my impressions of the albums Optical Race The first post-Franke album which starts a few themes common for all music of this period. Marakesh: the longest track and a nice opening. Atlas Eyes: sound of this track is completely different from others. Another good one also the beginning is a little bit unpleasant. Mothers of Rain: associates with a place from fairy-tale - giant mushrooms growing in the grass. Optical Race: starts the mood which will then appear in later albums - a funny sound with storng drum hits. In my opinion, the best track on the album - I really ehjoy it! BOOM,BOOM,CABOOM! Ghazal (love song): consists of two parts - only the second one is good. I wonder, why is it called 'Love Song' ? Lily on the Beach The worst of melrose years but has a couple of nice compositions. General mood reminds of Optical Race track but in more mild way. Desert Drive: the first remarkable composition. Radio City: first Jerome's appearence in TD Long Island Sunset: a completely different quality class. Splendid! Melrose For me, the best Tangerine Dream album of all times. +Taking something from Optical Race , it also has parts sounding like older material and a lot of it's own unique themes. +Great quality: absolutely no bad tracks which is unusual for later albums. +Extremely strong atmosphere: it always reminds me of winter forest in sunshine. +The only album I can remember which has an ear-to-ear sound as a common theme for all tracks. Melrose: introduction of the album style Three Bikes In The Sky: an outstanding main theme Dolls In The Shadow: Very mysterious. One of my favourites. Yucatan: a nice calming melody ELECTRIC LION: Masterpiece! This track has almost no repetition. The mood is strong and agressive in the main part but calm and atmospheric in beginning & end. Unbelivable greatness! Rolling Down Cahuenga: Strange title (what does it mean?). Continiues the serious theme of Dolls In The Shadow and agressive - of Electric Lion. Art Of Vision: reincarnation of Optical Race theme with lots of percussion in the end. Desert train: a flood of small drum hits. The strongest atmosphere of all Melrose Years. I used to listen to it while skiing. Cool At Heart: The only track that doesn't follow the album sound. A good choice for ending composition. Miracle Mile Soundtrack in more early style. Reminds of Rubicon in some aspects. Destination Berlin Soundtrack in Optical Race style. I also have two bootlegs of this time: In den Gaerten Of Pharaos features different version of Electric Lion and Bycycle Race has the longest applause I've ever heard on TD concert recordings - about 3 mins with lots of loud shouts and whistles. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30719 Re: Melrose Years moxica@m... Thu 12/20/2001 3 KB 30722 Re: Melrose Years John Vertical Thu 12/20/2001 4 KB 30742 Re: Melrose Years TheInfection Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30755 Re: Melrose Years chris towers Fri 12/21/2001 5 KB 30733 Re: Melrose Years Owens, James Thu 12/20/2001 4 KB 30735 Re: Melrose Years John Vertical Fri 12/21/2001 4 KB 30750 Re: Melrose Years Owens, James Fri 12/21/2001 4 KB 37518 Melrose Years Hilary Wright From: Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Years tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > I'm now listening to Melrose years so I decided to describe my impressions of the albums >Optical Race: starts the mood which will then appear in later albums - a funny sound with storng drum hits. In my opinion, the best track on the album - I really ehjoy it! BOOM,BOOM,CABOOM! A lot of people find this song too poppy or commercial, but I really like it, too. Can anyone explain the time signature changes in this, they seem to move around quite a bit. >Rolling Down Cahuenga: Strange title (what does it mean?). Continiues the serious theme of Dolls In The Shadow and agressive - of Electric Lion. Cahuenga is a street/hill in Hollywood. I love playing this song while racing down Route 41 in Monteagle, Tennessee (it's a 6-7% grade decline on a highway). > Miracle Mile ANy word of TDI re-releasing this title? My copy is getting a little beat up. >Bycycle Race has the longest applause I've ever heard on TD concert recordings - about 3 mins with lots of loud shouts and whistles. I think that was the break between final set and the encore. I've always wanted to go to a concert where no one applauds after the final song to see if the band doesn't do an encore... ('Goodnight Springton; there will be no encore!'). - jim From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 Message: 21 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:32:46 +0100 (MET) From: Jens Kilian Subject: LotR > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:21:59 EST > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Re: and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya > > I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien > since august 1999. Before anybody starts to comment on discussing _LotR_ on this list, let me inject something a bit more on topic: Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the Rings_? Comments? I listened to this (apparently I have the 1986 remixed version; the original was produced in 1970) last week, after many years. As music, I find it so-so; there's a lot of repetition and not as much atmosphere as in TD music from the same era (_Electronic Meditation_ excepted, of course). I also couldn't match the music to the pictures of _LotR_ I've carried around in my head for perhaps a quarter century now (I still hope that some of them will match the movie :-). On a subjective scale from 0 to 10, I'd give it a 6. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, > 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] I rather enjoyed Bo Hansson's LOTR. My favoiurite tracks are 'The Old Forest & Tom Bombadil', 'Fog on the Barrow-Downs', 'The Black Riders & Flight to the Ford' and 'Shadowfax'. I found myself quietly whistling the tunes while watching the movie last night. It takes Harry Potter to school. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30721 Re: Digest Number 1150 moxica@m... Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 30727 Re: Digest Number 1150 Owens, James Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 30732 Re: Digest Number 1150 Joe Shoults Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 30768 Re: Digest Number 1150 vic rek Sat 12/22/2001 4 KB From: Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Subject: LotR Best LOTR song: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins sung by Leonard Nimoy.... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Years Here we go again... I only have Lily & Melrose, and I have to say that the foregoing is better. Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. Lily On The Beach: For some reason I really like this one. It's a good melody or something. Alaskan Summer: Quite average, there's more than one of this kind of tracks. I like that certain string-type keyboard sound found on most pieces. Desert Drive: Cruisy. Doesn't stop for one second to repeat anything. Mt. Shasta: 'And now for something completely different...' Calm and beautiful. Crystal Curfew: This indeed has some urban feeling. Paradise Cove: Very energetic, with yet another good main theme. 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. Valley Of The Kings: Doesn't say much to me either. Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track and Paradise Cove, with nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had someone besides Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... Blue Mango Café: Relaxious basic type track. Gecko: Fun but shallow. Long Island Sunset: Extraordinary ballad-ish feat! Good entré for TD+Sax. Though I like the keyboards&flute better. Melrose: Nice melody, nice rhytm... but won't stand too high when compared to all the others. 3 Bikes In The Sky: Brilliant... except that the guitar solo sounds forced. Dolls In The Shadow: Like many others (eg. Coldwater Canyon, Gaudi Park) this starts well but gets tiresome towards the end. Yucatan: Great drumming but not much else. Guitar blends in better than elsewhere on the album. Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight IMHO. However not as violent. Rolling Down Cahuenga: The only flaw is that it's perhaps too long. Not a highlight though. Art Of Vision: Similar to previous one but better. Strong bass. Desert Train: What's with this obsession for the word 'Desert' in TD track titles? Anyway, the beginning has a hint of something deeper while the rest is just light happy hopping. Cool At Heart: *yawn* No, I'm not bored.. just feeling sleepy... *yawn* It's such an ... anemic piece, but not in a negative way. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30742 Re: Melrose Years TheInfection Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30755 Re: Melrose Years chris towers Fri 12/21/2001 5 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: Another Virus Please delete any e-mail you receive where the subject line is 'Hi' and includes an attachment named christmas.exe. This is another virus that propagates via Microsoft Outlook / Outlook Express and will come from someone with whom you've corresponded. The URL below has more information. http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20011219S0006 Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30724 Re: Another Virus Joe Shoults Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 30767 Re: Another Virus Adele Outland Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 4:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Another Virus none of this applies to this mailing list because I have it set to strip all attachments. don't worry, be merry! Joe > -----Original Message----- > > Please delete any e-mail you receive where the subject line > is 'Hi' and includes an attachment named christmas.exe. This > is another virus that propagates via Microsoft Outlook / > Outlook Express and will come from someone with whom you've > corresponded. > > The URL below has more information. > http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20011219S0006 From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: LotR >From: Jens Kilian >Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the Rings_? >Comments? Hi Jens, This is obviously the album that rendered him some recognition but I never managed to understand the greatness of it. I would much rather recommend his El Ahrairah (music inspired by Watership down) which is more melodic and easy to like. However I don't know if it's available on cd. /Olle From: David Hughes Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Lord of the Rings (OT) Hello, Poly said : > Personally, I have a very good feeling about this movie version... I think > they're finally going to do it right. > I saw a promo last night that left me speechless.... > Let us know what you think, Dave... The worry with this film is that it won't live up to the images in your own head but, thankfully, I wasn't at all disappointed. In fact, I enjoyed it enormously. The film version of LOTR is largely true to the book although they've filled in the bits about Isildur and the battle with Sauron's armies which is part of the history and mythology behind the book but isn't covered in great detail. This works very well indeed and looks fantastic. They've also massively extended Saruman's role and this works terrifically, for me at least. It gives motives to characters which were implied in the book but not explored a great deal. Christopher Lee is superb. However, there are some total inventions involving the Lady Arwen and the Ring Wraiths which had me scratching my head. If the film has a fault it's that, even at three hours long, it's rushed. The score gets on your tits after a while too. It's not strong enough when it should be and too strong when it shouldn't. Other than that, it's a bloody good film. The characters are brilliant - Frodo is just right, Gandalf is excellent, so is Aragorn but the actor isn't old enough - in my mind, he was about fifty years old and very worn down. Just some opinions. See it anyway. If you've never read the book, it's a good introduction. If you have read the book, it's bloody good! Best wishes David NP. Dream Mixes III <= had to squeeze some TD into this posting! -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30728 Re: Lord of the Rings (OT) Michael Jean Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 30729 Re: Lord of the Rings (OT) PERGAMON Thu 12/20/2001 5 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 Amen Brother! > -----Original Message----- > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > > Best LOTR song: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins sung by Leonard Nimoy.... From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lord of the Rings (OT) Perhaps we could speculate what type of score TD would have done for this film, if they had the opportunity.... MJ Just some opinions. See it anyway. If you've never read the book, it's a good introduction. If you have read the book, it's bloody good! Best wishes David NP. Dream Mixes III <= had to squeeze some TD into this posting! From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lord of the Rings (OT) Hi I can only say that LOTR is the greatest movie EVER................not even Star Wars can top that........and this is from a total SW-fanatic.........................=o) The movie, actors, graphics, music.......whatever is truly brilliant.................if this movie doesn't take all the Oscars next year, there is something rotten in Hollywood......... This is a MUST see movie.............do not hesitate...............I am still flying from the experience yesterday....................and I going again this weekend............and probably a couple of times more............. Some characters is introduced in a different way and at a different time than in the books, there has been a lot of talk about Christopher Lee's performance, but he is brilliant........... GO SEE THIS MOVIE.................=o) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Hughes' To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Lord of the Rings (OT) > Hello, > > Poly said : > > > Personally, I have a very good feeling about this movie version... I think > > they're finally going to do it right. > > I saw a promo last night that left me speechless.... > > > Let us know what you think, Dave... > > The worry with this film is that it won't live up to the images in your > own head but, thankfully, I wasn't at all disappointed. In fact, I > enjoyed it enormously. > > The film version of LOTR is largely true to the book although they've > filled in the bits about Isildur and the battle with Sauron's armies > which is part of the history and mythology behind the book but isn't > covered in great detail. This works very well indeed and looks > fantastic. > > They've also massively extended Saruman's role and this works > terrifically, for me at least. It gives motives to characters which were > implied in the book but not explored a great deal. Christopher Lee is > superb. However, there are some total inventions involving the Lady > Arwen and the Ring Wraiths which had me scratching my head. > > If the film has a fault it's that, even at three hours long, it's > rushed. The score gets on your tits after a while too. It's not strong > enough when it should be and too strong when it shouldn't. > > Other than that, it's a bloody good film. The characters are brilliant - > Frodo is just right, Gandalf is excellent, so is Aragorn but the actor > isn't old enough - in my mind, he was about fifty years old and very > worn down. > > Just some opinions. See it anyway. If you've never read the book, it's a > good introduction. If you have read the book, it's bloody good! > > Best wishes > David > > NP. Dream Mixes III <= had to squeeze some TD into this posting! > > -- > Infection Music > http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk > http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: atye@a... Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: LOTR mailing list ?? Gee, when I subscribed to the Tangerine Dream mailing list, I didn't know I'd also get a free subscription to the LOTR mailing list, too. I am going to see the movie today, am a huge fan, have been for many many years, but.... Enya/Kitaro/LOTR ??? Can't we stay on topic ?? That's my 2 cents worth... ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30731 Re: LOTR mailing list ?? Michael Jean Thu 12/20/2001 2 KB 30746 Re: LOTR mailing list ?? tei waz Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] LOTR mailing list ?? OK.... So who is going to the Silver Wings show tomorrow with TDJ Rome? >>> atye@a... 12/20/01 01:08PM >>> Gee, when I subscribed to the Tangerine Dream mailing list, I didn't know I'd also get a free subscription to the LOTR mailing list, too. I am going to see the movie today, am a huge fan, have been for many many years, but.... Enya/Kitaro/LOTR ??? Can't we stay on topic ?? That's my 2 cents worth... ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 LOL! I forget the episode name (This Way to Eden?). > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:04 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 > > > Amen Brother! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > > > > Best LOTR song: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins sung by Leonard Nimoy.... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Melrose Years > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. Let me guess, You use Iron Maiden's _Powerslave_ album as meditation music? > 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. Quite easily one of the most beautiful melodies in TD's chronicles. > Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track and > Paradise Cove, with > nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had someone besides > Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... This is JF's earliest foray with the band, and as such it makes sense that his guitar style is pretty much a copy of dear old dad's. I for one love that style, and can't think of a fonder wish than to have the Froese's decide they don't a new guitarist to replace GG, but instead get a competent and creative keyboardist, leaving them to step up for some father/son guitar duelling for the fall 2002 US/Canada tour! (This is what we call a pipe dream...) > Long Island Sunset: Extraordinary ballad-ish feat! Good entré > for TD+Sax. Though I like the keyboards&flute better. We actually agree on this one. > Melrose: Nice melody, nice rhytm... but won't stand too high > when compared to all the others. I disagree. This has a nice variation from intro theme to sax theme. I think Hubert Waldner makes Linda Spa sound like an amateur (No offense Linda, but Hubert is really good). This is one of my all-time fave TD tracks. > 3 Bikes In The Sky: Brilliant... except that the guitar solo > sounds forced. Second favorite on this album. EXQUISITE guitar (duet?) here. The live version of this track without the guitar solo sounds LAME. The guitar is what really kicks this track into big leagues. > Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight IMHO. > However not as violent. This is a pretty good track if you lop off the TOTALLY LAME intro and ending. BUT they could have done a nice set ambient chords and effects fading into the guitar solo and it would sound like a _Force Majeur_ bonus track. Melrose is a good album, but I really only listen to these three tracks much, and Electric Lion only occasionally because of the intro. The rest of the albums is rather ho hum and gets little air time in my living room concerts. _Lily on the Beach_ gets a lot more spins. I also find myself going for _The Private Music of..._ because it has most of my faves from both albums, and I like the two bonus cuts alot. James From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:01 am Subject: check this synth out Had to pass this one on from someone at the ozrics mailing list http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/aspics/vostok.jpg It's a new synth from Analogue Solutions Called the Vostok that will be coming out in January! Fully analog, modular, and check out the patch pin interface. Take your pins, make a little lite brite picture to your liking, turn it on, and boom! see what sound your picture made. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Melrose Years > > Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. > >Let me guess, You use Iron Maiden's _Powerslave_ album as meditation music? I didn't mean the sleepy kind of boring... it just misses a point. > > 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. > >Quite easily one of the most beautiful melodies in TD's chronicles. Well, all TD's piano tracks/sections I've heard are great - this one is quite average when compared to eg. Song Of The Whale Part 2, if you ask me. > > > Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track and > > Paradise Cove, with > > nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had someone besides > > Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... > >This is JF's earliest foray with the band, and as such it makes sense >that his guitar style is pretty much a copy of dear old dad's. >I for one love that style, and can't think of a fonder wish than >to have the Froese's decide they don't a new guitarist to replace >GG, but instead get a competent and creative keyboardist, leaving >them to step up for some father/son guitar duelling for the fall >2002 US/Canada tour! (This is what we call a pipe dream...) > I've been thinking my head off and still can't remember anyone/anything with the initials 'GG'... I haven't been much into the fresher things going on in TaDrealm... > > Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight IMHO. > > However not as violent. > >This is a pretty good track if you lop off the TOTALLY LAME intro and >ending. >BUT they could have done a nice set ambient chords and effects fading into >the guitar solo and it would sound like a _Force Majeur_ bonus track. > >Melrose is a good album, but I really only listen to these three tracks >much, >and Electric Lion only occasionally because of the intro. I'm confused now... First you say that the intro in Elec.Lion is 'totally lame' and then you say you play it occasinally just for that... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 8:01 am Subject: Let it snow Hi Gang, it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) years we will have a white christmas here where I live (Northern part of Germany) If it does I will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and call it 'Tangerine Dream' ~LOL~ I wish all TD mailing list members a merry christmas & a happy new year :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30738 Re: Let it snow TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB 30743 Re: Let it snow braddito Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30744 Re: Let it snow TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30745 Re: Let it snow TheInfection Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30753 Re: Let it snow chris towers Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB 30747 Re: Let it snow mengels@w... Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB 30749 Re: Let it snow braddito Fri 12/21/2001 4 KB 30761 OT: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow PENFOLD Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB 30748 Re: Let it snow Michael Jean Fri 12/21/2001 4 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Saturday Night Live I was watching a rerun of Saturday Night Live and they were doing what looked like a parody of the Shining, or at least some Horror film.... they called it 'The Fruiting' Where fruit would fall on people and they would scream... Then at the end in small credits it said Soundtrack by Tangerine Dream heh... well it seemed funny at the time. Poly From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Let it snow At 09:01 21.12.01 , you wrote: >Hi Gang, >it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) years we will have a white >christmas here where I live (Northern part of Germany) If it does I >will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and call it 'Tangerine >Dream' ~LOL~ >I wish all TD mailing list members a merry christmas & a happy new year >:-) > >Heiko > > Da doobee doobee doobee doobee doo waaah let it snow! let it snow! let it snow! (had trouble getting to work today due to the 'eavy snowstorm!) Even though it can be a hassle, when it snows heavily it is the only time I love winter! On this note: MERRRRRRRRY CHRRRRRRISTMAS AND A HAPPY START INTO THE NEW YEAR!!! From me and the TDI Office. Love and Peace, Martin Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'Phil White' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Christmas Greetings Hi May I take this opportunity to all the people in cyberspace that I have communicated with in the past few months.... 'Merry Christmas and a peaceful and happy new year' Remember it takes more facial muscles to frown than it does to smile ! All the best Phil White ( In the UK ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30762 Re: Christmas Greetings Deb H-J Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB From: 'fitican' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:50 am Subject: UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) Hi guys, this is good news for the TD collectors, specially the Spanish collectors... Finally we've made it!... the old tapes with the legendary TD concert in Bilbao are now on CD!!! Yes, after a long process of careful digital audio restoring, we have finally translated these 26 year old tapes (with the 2-hour full show) onto a wonderful double CD-R!! TANGERINE DREAM: LIVE IN SPAIN (Pabellón de la Casilla, Bilbao, Vizcaya, 31-1-1976) 2 CD-Rs The recording contains only 4 tracks, 2 over forty minutes and 2 encores, around 18 and 9 minutes each (of course, the music is totally new and previously unreleased on any studio album). The sound quality is very good (the tapes were still in good condition after all these years!!) E-mail me if you are interested, thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hola amigos, una breve nota para comentaros que por fin se han desempolvado las 2 cassetes con la grabación íntegra del concierto de TD en Bilbao de 1976. Tras un laborioso proceso de edición digital del audio, ya tenemos a salvo un documento histórico de primera magnitud en la carrera de TD. La calidad de sonido es, en general, excelente, sobre todo en el primer CD, que incluye un corte de 45 minutos. El segundo CD contiene 3 temas más, pero la calidad de sonido es algo peor, no por culpa de la grabación, sino por la deficiente acústica del local para los graves, que a veces retumban más de la cuenta (digamos que el sonido es menos limpio, por culpa de una labor de la mesa poco afortunada, pero ya se sabe lo que pasa siempre en los conciertos en directo, al principio suave y después van subiendo hasta saturar). En cualquier caso, el sonido es mucho mejor que la mayoría de los bootlegs que hay por ahí de esta época del grupo. Si os interesa, no dudéis en poneros en contacto conmigo en esta dirección: l_f_torre@h... Un saludo cordial y Felices Fiestas para todos. A.L.F. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30756 Re: UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) Gert Jalass Fri 12/21/2001 5 KB 31020 Re: UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) ANGELES LAVIN Fri 1/4/2002 3 KB 30757 Re: UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) Joe Shoults Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1151 Hi Jens, This is obviously the album that rendered him some recognition but I never managed to understand the greatness of it. I would much rather recommend his El Ahrairah (music inspired by Watership down) which is more melodic and easy to like. However I don't know if it's available on cd. /Olle I have never been able to find Water Ship Down on CD and I don't think it was ever released. It is a great album, I liked it enough to transcribe it to CD myself and design a nice booklet for it. Robert Wear Rome GA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 02:24 Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1151 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 24 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. LotR From: Klaus Beschorner 2. Melrose Years From: Dmitriy V N 3. Re: Melrose Years From: 4. Re: Digest Number 1150 From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' 5. Re: Re: Digest Number 1150 From: 6. Re: Melrose Years From: 'John Vertical' 7. Another Virus From: 'Michael Jean' 8. RE: Another Virus From: Joe Shoults 9. LotR From: olle.rundgren@s... 10. Lord of the Rings (OT) From: David Hughes 11. RE: Re: Digest Number 1150 From: 'Owens, James' 12. Re: Lord of the Rings (OT) From: 'Michael Jean' 13. Re: Lord of the Rings (OT) From: 'PERGAMON' 14. LOTR mailing list ?? From: atye@a... 15. Re: LOTR mailing list ?? From: 'Michael Jean' 16. RE: Re: Digest Number 1150 From: Joe Shoults 17. RE: Melrose Years From: 'Owens, James' 18. check this synth out From: 'tei waz' 19. RE: Melrose Years From: 'John Vertical' 20. Let it snow From: Heiko Heerssen 21. Saturday Night Live From: Synthhtnys@a... 22. Re: Let it snow From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' 23. Christmas Greetings From: 'Phil White' 24. Christmas Greetings From: 'Phil White' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:01:29 +0100 From: Klaus Beschorner Subject: LotR >Before anybody starts to comment on discussing _LotR_ on this list, let >me inject something a bit more on topic: > >Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the >Rings_? Comments? I liked it very much at the time I first heard it (around 1974-5). A few tracks were played in a radio special about musical adaptions of Fantasy/SF themes. Some very good stuff there, unfortunately the cassette didn't survive the many years of intensive playing :-( I got me all of Bo's LPs over time, some even the Swedish originals. They're all 'nice', but, similar to Kitaro, he's an artist who didn't vary his act much from album to album. To steer this at least close to the shores of 'on topic', a while later I wrote an article for a SF fanzine about music/SF&F connections, which of course included Bo's 'Sagan om Ringen'. The TD connection here is that I recommended Stratosfear as a good background music to read Stanslav Lem's 'Solaris' , and contemporary (mid-70s) Hawkwind to Niven/Pournelle's 'Lucifer's Hammer' ;-) Today, I prefer to do my reading in peace and quiet ;-) happy holidays klaus ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitriy V N Subject: Melrose Years I'm now listening to Melrose years so I decided to describe my impressions of the albums Optical Race The first post-Franke album which starts a few themes common for all music of this period. Marakesh: the longest track and a nice opening. Atlas Eyes: sound of this track is completely different from others. Another good one also the beginning is a little bit unpleasant. Mothers of Rain: associates with a place from fairy-tale - giant mushrooms growing in the grass. Optical Race: starts the mood which will then appear in later albums - a funny sound with storng drum hits. In my opinion, the best track on the album - I really ehjoy it! BOOM,BOOM,CABOOM! Ghazal (love song): consists of two parts - only the second one is good. I wonder, why is it called 'Love Song' ? Lily on the Beach The worst of melrose years but has a couple of nice compositions. General mood reminds of Optical Race track but in more mild way. Desert Drive: the first remarkable composition. Radio City: first Jerome's appearence in TD Long Island Sunset: a completely different quality class. Splendid! Melrose For me, the best Tangerine Dream album of all times. +Taking something from Optical Race , it also has parts sounding like older material and a lot of it's own unique themes. +Great quality: absolutely no bad tracks which is unusual for later albums. +Extremely strong atmosphere: it always reminds me of winter forest in sunshine. +The only album I can remember which has an ear-to-ear sound as a common theme for all tracks. Melrose: introduction of the album style Three Bikes In The Sky: an outstanding main theme Dolls In The Shadow: Very mysterious. One of my favourites. Yucatan: a nice calming melody ELECTRIC LION: Masterpiece! This track has almost no repetition. The mood is strong and agressive in the main part but calm and atmospheric in beginning & end. Unbelivable greatness! Rolling Down Cahuenga: Strange title (what does it mean?). Continiues the serious theme of Dolls In The Shadow and agressive - of Electric Lion. Art Of Vision: reincarnation of Optical Race theme with lots of percussion in the end. Desert train: a flood of small drum hits. The strongest atmosphere of all Melrose Years. I used to listen to it while skiing. Cool At Heart: The only track that doesn't follow the album sound. A good choice for ending composition. Miracle Mile Soundtrack in more early style. Reminds of Rubicon in some aspects. Destination Berlin Soundtrack in Optical Race style. I also have two bootlegs of this time: In den Gaerten Of Pharaos features different version of Electric Lion and Bycycle Race has the longest applause I've ever heard on TD concert recordings - about 3 mins with lots of loud shouts and whistles. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:32:48 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Melrose Years tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > I'm now listening to Melrose years so I decided to describe my impressions of the albums >Optical Race: starts the mood which will then appear in later albums - a funny sound with storng drum hits. In my opinion, the best track on the album - I really ehjoy it! BOOM,BOOM,CABOOM! A lot of people find this song too poppy or commercial, but I really like it, too. Can anyone explain the time signature changes in this, they seem to move around quite a bit. >Rolling Down Cahuenga: Strange title (what does it mean?). Continiues the serious theme of Dolls In The Shadow and agressive - of Electric Lion. Cahuenga is a street/hill in Hollywood. I love playing this song while racing down Route 41 in Monteagle, Tennessee (it's a 6-7% grade decline on a highway). > Miracle Mile ANy word of TDI re-releasing this title? My copy is getting a little beat up. >Bycycle Race has the longest applause I've ever heard on TD concert recordings - about 3 mins with lots of loud shouts and whistles. I think that was the break between final set and the encore. I've always wanted to go to a concert where no one applauds after the final song to see if the band doesn't do an encore... ('Goodnight Springton; there will be no encore!'). - jim ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:59:55 -0000 From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' Subject: Re: Digest Number 1150 Message: 21 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:32:46 +0100 (MET) From: Jens Kilian Subject: LotR > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:21:59 EST > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Re: and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya > > I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien > since august 1999. Before anybody starts to comment on discussing _LotR_ on this list, let me inject something a bit more on topic: Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the Rings_? Comments? I listened to this (apparently I have the 1986 remixed version; the original was produced in 1970) last week, after many years. As music, I find it so-so; there's a lot of repetition and not as much atmosphere as in TD music from the same era (_Electronic Meditation_ excepted, of course). I also couldn't match the music to the pictures of _LotR_ I've carried around in my head for perhaps a quarter century now (I still hope that some of them will match the movie :-). On a subjective scale from 0 to 10, I'd give it a 6. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, > 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] I rather enjoyed Bo Hansson's LOTR. My favoiurite tracks are 'The Old Forest & Tom Bombadil', 'Fog on the Barrow-Downs', 'The Black Riders & Flight to the Ford' and 'Shadowfax'. I found myself quietly whistling the tunes while watching the movie last night. It takes Harry Potter to school. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:32:01 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 1150 tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Subject: LotR Best LOTR song: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins sung by Leonard Nimoy.... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:39:29 +0200 From: 'John Vertical' Subject: Re: Melrose Years Here we go again... I only have Lily & Melrose, and I have to say that the foregoing is better. Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. Lily On The Beach: For some reason I really like this one. It's a good melody or something. Alaskan Summer: Quite average, there's more than one of this kind of tracks. I like that certain string-type keyboard sound found on most pieces. Desert Drive: Cruisy. Doesn't stop for one second to repeat anything. Mt. Shasta: 'And now for something completely different...' Calm and beautiful. Crystal Curfew: This indeed has some urban feeling. Paradise Cove: Very energetic, with yet another good main theme. 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. Valley Of The Kings: Doesn't say much to me either. Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track and Paradise Cove, with nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had someone besides Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... Blue Mango Café: Relaxious basic type track. Gecko: Fun but shallow. Long Island Sunset: Extraordinary ballad-ish feat! Good entré for TD+Sax. Though I like the keyboards&flute better. Melrose: Nice melody, nice rhytm... but won't stand too high when compared to all the others. 3 Bikes In The Sky: Brilliant... except that the guitar solo sounds forced. Dolls In The Shadow: Like many others (eg. Coldwater Canyon, Gaudi Park) this starts well but gets tiresome towards the end. Yucatan: Great drumming but not much else. Guitar blends in better than elsewhere on the album. Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight IMHO. However not as violent. Rolling Down Cahuenga: The only flaw is that it's perhaps too long. Not a highlight though. Art Of Vision: Similar to previous one but better. Strong bass. Desert Train: What's with this obsession for the word 'Desert' in TD track titles? Anyway, the beginning has a hint of something deeper while the rest is just light happy hopping. Cool At Heart: *yawn* No, I'm not bored.. just feeling sleepy... *yawn* It's such an ... anemic piece, but not in a negative way. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:00:46 -0500 From: 'Michael Jean' Subject: Another Virus Please delete any e-mail you receive where the subject line is 'Hi' and includes an attachment named christmas.exe. This is another virus that propagates via Microsoft Outlook / Outlook Express and will come from someone with whom you've corresponded. The URL below has more information. http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20011219S0006 Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:37:09 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Another Virus none of this applies to this mailing list because I have it set to strip all attachments. don't worry, be merry! Joe > -----Original Message----- > > Please delete any e-mail you receive where the subject line > is 'Hi' and includes an attachment named christmas.exe. This > is another virus that propagates via Microsoft Outlook / > Outlook Express and will come from someone with whom you've > corresponded. > > The URL below has more information. > http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20011219S0006 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:52:54 +0100 From: olle.rundgren@s... Subject: LotR >From: Jens Kilian >Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the Rings_? >Comments? Hi Jens, This is obviously the album that rendered him some recognition but I never managed to understand the greatness of it. I would much rather recommend his El Ahrairah (music inspired by Watership down) which is more melodic and easy to like. However I don't know if it's available on cd. /Olle ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:14:54 +0000 From: David Hughes Subject: Lord of the Rings (OT) Hello, Poly said : > Personally, I have a very good feeling about this movie version... I think > they're finally going to do it right. > I saw a promo last night that left me speechless.... > Let us know what you think, Dave... The worry with this film is that it won't live up to the images in your own head but, thankfully, I wasn't at all disappointed. In fact, I enjoyed it enormously. The film version of LOTR is largely true to the book although they've filled in the bits about Isildur and the battle with Sauron's armies which is part of the history and mythology behind the book but isn't covered in great detail. This works very well indeed and looks fantastic. They've also massively extended Saruman's role and this works terrifically, for me at least. It gives motives to characters which were implied in the book but not explored a great deal. Christopher Lee is superb. However, there are some total inventions involving the Lady Arwen and the Ring Wraiths which had me scratching my head. If the film has a fault it's that, even at three hours long, it's rushed. The score gets on your tits after a while too. It's not strong enough when it should be and too strong when it shouldn't. Other than that, it's a bloody good film. The characters are brilliant - Frodo is just right, Gandalf is excellent, so is Aragorn but the actor isn't old enough - in my mind, he was about fifty years old and very worn down. Just some opinions. See it anyway. If you've never read the book, it's a good introduction. If you have read the book, it's bloody good! Best wishes David NP. Dream Mixes III <= had to squeeze some TD into this posting! -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:03:59 -0600 From: 'Owens, James' Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 1150 Amen Brother! > -----Original Message----- > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > > Best LOTR song: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins sung by Leonard Nimoy.... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:06:41 -0500 From: 'Michael Jean' Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings (OT) Perhaps we could speculate what type of score TD would have done for this film, if they had the opportunity.... MJ Just some opinions. See it anyway. If you've never read the book, it's a good introduction. If you have read the book, it's bloody good! Best wishes David NP. Dream Mixes III <= had to squeeze some TD into this posting! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:54:59 +0100 From: 'PERGAMON' Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings (OT) Hi I can only say that LOTR is the greatest movie EVER................not even Star Wars can top that........and this is from a total SW-fanatic.........................=o) The movie, actors, graphics, music.......whatever is truly brilliant.................if this movie doesn't take all the Oscars next year, there is something rotten in Hollywood......... This is a MUST see movie.............do not hesitate...............I am still flying from the experience yesterday....................and I going again this weekend............and probably a couple of times more............. Some characters is introduced in a different way and at a different time than in the books, there has been a lot of talk about Christopher Lee's performance, but he is brilliant........... GO SEE THIS MOVIE.................=o) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Hughes' To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Lord of the Rings (OT) > Hello, > > Poly said : > > > Personally, I have a very good feeling about this movie version... I think > > they're finally going to do it right. > > I saw a promo last night that left me speechless.... > > > Let us know what you think, Dave... > > The worry with this film is that it won't live up to the images in your > own head but, thankfully, I wasn't at all disappointed. In fact, I > enjoyed it enormously. > > The film version of LOTR is largely true to the book although they've > filled in the bits about Isildur and the battle with Sauron's armies > which is part of the history and mythology behind the book but isn't > covered in great detail. This works very well indeed and looks > fantastic. > > They've also massively extended Saruman's role and this works > terrifically, for me at least. It gives motives to characters which were > implied in the book but not explored a great deal. Christopher Lee is > superb. However, there are some total inventions involving the Lady > Arwen and the Ring Wraiths which had me scratching my head. > > If the film has a fault it's that, even at three hours long, it's > rushed. The score gets on your tits after a while too. It's not strong > enough when it should be and too strong when it shouldn't. > > Other than that, it's a bloody good film. The characters are brilliant - > Frodo is just right, Gandalf is excellent, so is Aragorn but the actor > isn't old enough - in my mind, he was about fifty years old and very > worn down. > > Just some opinions. See it anyway. If you've never read the book, it's a > good introduction. If you have read the book, it's bloody good! > > Best wishes > David > > NP. Dream Mixes III <= had to squeeze some TD into this posting! > > -- > Infection Music > http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk > http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:08:47 EST From: atye@a... Subject: LOTR mailing list ?? Gee, when I subscribed to the Tangerine Dream mailing list, I didn't know I'd also get a free subscription to the LOTR mailing list, too. I am going to see the movie today, am a huge fan, have been for many many years, but.... Enya/Kitaro/LOTR ??? Can't we stay on topic ?? That's my 2 cents worth... ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:19:02 -0500 From: 'Michael Jean' Subject: Re: LOTR mailing list ?? OK.... So who is going to the Silver Wings show tomorrow with TDJ Rome? >>> atye@a... 12/20/01 01:08PM >>> Gee, when I subscribed to the Tangerine Dream mailing list, I didn't know I'd also get a free subscription to the LOTR mailing list, too. I am going to see the movie today, am a huge fan, have been for many many years, but.... Enya/Kitaro/LOTR ??? Can't we stay on topic ?? That's my 2 cents worth... ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:00:47 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 1150 LOL! I forget the episode name (This Way to Eden?). > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:04 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 > > > Amen Brother! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > > > > Best LOTR song: Ballad of Bilbo Baggins sung by Leonard Nimoy.... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:53:35 -0600 From: 'Owens, James' Subject: RE: Melrose Years > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. Let me guess, You use Iron Maiden's _Powerslave_ album as meditation music? > 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. Quite easily one of the most beautiful melodies in TD's chronicles. > Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track and > Paradise Cove, with > nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had someone besides > Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... This is JF's earliest foray with the band, and as such it makes sense that his guitar style is pretty much a copy of dear old dad's. I for one love that style, and can't think of a fonder wish than to have the Froese's decide they don't a new guitarist to replace GG, but instead get a competent and creative keyboardist, leaving them to step up for some father/son guitar duelling for the fall 2002 US/Canada tour! (This is what we call a pipe dream...) > Long Island Sunset: Extraordinary ballad-ish feat! Good entré > for TD+Sax. Though I like the keyboards&flute better. We actually agree on this one. > Melrose: Nice melody, nice rhytm... but won't stand too high > when compared to all the others. I disagree. This has a nice variation from intro theme to sax theme. I think Hubert Waldner makes Linda Spa sound like an amateur (No offense Linda, but Hubert is really good). This is one of my all-time fave TD tracks. > 3 Bikes In The Sky: Brilliant... except that the guitar solo > sounds forced. Second favorite on this album. EXQUISITE guitar (duet?) here. The live version of this track without the guitar solo sounds LAME. The guitar is what really kicks this track into big leagues. > Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight IMHO. > However not as violent. This is a pretty good track if you lop off the TOTALLY LAME intro and ending. BUT they could have done a nice set ambient chords and effects fading into the guitar solo and it would sound like a _Force Majeur_ bonus track. Melrose is a good album, but I really only listen to these three tracks much, and Electric Lion only occasionally because of the intro. The rest of the albums is rather ho hum and gets little air time in my living room concerts. _Lily on the Beach_ gets a lot more spins. I also find myself going for _The Private Music of..._ because it has most of my faves from both albums, and I like the two bonus cuts alot. James ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:01:28 -0800 From: 'tei waz' Subject: check this synth out Had to pass this one on from someone at the ozrics mailing list http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/aspics/vostok.jpg It's a new synth from Analogue Solutions Called the Vostok that will be coming out in January! Fully analog, modular, and check out the patch pin interface. Take your pins, make a little lite brite picture to your liking, turn it on, and boom! see what sound your picture made. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:02:01 +0200 From: 'John Vertical' Subject: RE: Melrose Years > > Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. > >Let me guess, You use Iron Maiden's _Powerslave_ album as meditation music? I didn't mean the sleepy kind of boring... it just misses a point. > > 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. > >Quite easily one of the most beautiful melodies in TD's chronicles. Well, all TD's piano tracks/sections I've heard are great - this one is quite average when compared to eg. Song Of The Whale Part 2, if you ask me. > > > Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track and > > Paradise Cove, with > > nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had someone besides > > Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... > >This is JF's earliest foray with the band, and as such it makes sense >that his guitar style is pretty much a copy of dear old dad's. >I for one love that style, and can't think of a fonder wish than >to have the Froese's decide they don't a new guitarist to replace >GG, but instead get a competent and creative keyboardist, leaving >them to step up for some father/son guitar duelling for the fall >2002 US/Canada tour! (This is what we call a pipe dream...) > I've been thinking my head off and still can't remember anyone/anything with the initials 'GG'... I haven't been much into the fresher things going on in TaDrealm... > > Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight IMHO. > > However not as violent. > >This is a pretty good track if you lop off the TOTALLY LAME intro and >ending. >BUT they could have done a nice set ambient chords and effects fading into >the guitar solo and it would sound like a _Force Majeur_ bonus track. > >Melrose is a good album, but I really only listen to these three tracks >much, >and Electric Lion only occasionally because of the intro. I'm confused now... First you say that the intro in Elec.Lion is 'totally lame' and then you say you play it occasinally just for that... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:01:45 +0100 From: Heiko Heerssen Subject: Let it snow Hi Gang, it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) years we will have a white christmas here where I live (Northern part of Germany) If it does I will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and call it 'Tangerine Dream' ~LOL~ I wish all TD mailing list members a merry christmas & a happy new year :-) Heiko ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:06:18 EST From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Saturday Night Live I was watching a rerun of Saturday Night Live and they were doing what looked like a parody of the Shining, or at least some Horror film.... they called it 'The Fruiting' Where fruit would fall on people and they would scream... Then at the end in small credits it said Soundtrack by Tangerine Dream heh... well it seemed funny at the time. Poly ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:06:52 +0100 From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Subject: Re: Let it snow At 09:01 21.12.01 , you wrote: >Hi Gang, >it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) years we will have a white >christmas here where I live (Northern part of Germany) If it does I >will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and call it 'Tangerine >Dream' ~LOL~ >I wish all TD mailing list members a merry christmas & a happy new year >:-) > >Heiko > > Da doobee doobee doobee doobee doo waaah let it snow! let it snow! let it snow! (had trouble getting to work today due to the 'eavy snowstorm!) Even though it can be a hassle, when it snows heavily it is the only time I love winter! On this note: MERRRRRRRRY CHRRRRRRISTMAS AND A HAPPY START INTO THE NEW YEAR!!! From me and the TDI Office. Love and Peace, Martin Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:28:55 -0000 From: 'Phil White' Subject: Christmas Greetings Hi May I take this opportunity to all the people in cyberspace that I have communicated with in the past few months.... 'Merry Christmas and a peaceful and happy new year' Remember it takes more facial muscles to frown than it does to smile ! All the best Phil White ( In the UK ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:28:55 -0000 From: 'Phil White' Subject: Christmas Greetings Hi May I take this opportunity to all the people in cyberspace that I have communicated with in the past few months.... 'Merry Christmas and a peaceful and happy new year' Remember it takes more facial muscles to frown than it does to smile ! All the best Phil White ( In the UK ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: TheInfection Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:59 pm Subject: Re: Melrose Years For some reason, I never have had liking for the Melrose Years. Even the last Franke-albums, Underwater Sunlight, Tyger and Livemiles are almost in the dislike category. Theres just something in that period of 1986-1992. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Let it snow My geography teacher and German language lessons left me with the impression that Germany experienced arctic weather in winter. Whatever the weather, joy and peace to all members of this group this Christmas. Toby --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi Gang, > it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) years we will have a white > christmas here where I live (Northern part of Germany) If it does I > will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and call it 'Tangerine > Dream' ~LOL~ > I wish all TD mailing list members a merry christmas & a happy new year > :-) > > Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30744 Re: Let it snow TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30745 Re: Let it snow TheInfection Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB 30753 Re: Let it snow chris towers Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow At 13:23 21.12.01 , you wrote: >My geography teacher and German language lessons left me with the >impression that Germany experienced arctic weather in winter. >Whatever the weather, joy and peace to all members of this group this >Christmas. > >Toby > Nah... in Berlin it´s mostly either gray skies, rain and slush... or gray skies and freezing cold. Both not being too pleasant... at least the reflective feature of the snow makes the grayness of the 'dark season' a bit more bearable... COT (=completely off-topic) - Sorry. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: TheInfection Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Let it snow Here in Finland we had a nice snowfall few days ago, but I'm freezing my butt off (-25 celcius). Not literally of course... Merry christmas to everyone. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 2:59 pm Subject: Re: LOTR mailing list ?? From: 'Michael Jean' : >OK.... So who is going to the Silver Wings show tomorrow with TDJ Rome?< heh! happy holidays! --T np Robert Fripp Silent Night _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow >My geography teacher and German language lessons left me with the >impression that Germany experienced arctic weather in winter. >Whatever the weather, joy and peace to all members of this group this >Christmas. > >Toby :-) Do you live in America? Not to start a flame-war of course, but I'm under the impression that on most american schools the geography lessons are...well, not up to 'standard'. Ask the average (again not all) american where Brussels is and they say it's in Holland or in Denmark. :-) Merry Xmas! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... ----------------------------------------- Info --------- >>> Weihnachts Aktion! JETZT zugreifen: .at Registrierungs Gebuehr EUR 25,00 (ATS 344,-) .cc Registrierungs Gebuehr EUR 34,00 (ATS 468,-) > und neue Domain Endungen: .tv, .org.uk, .co.uk Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30749 Re: Let it snow braddito Fri 12/21/2001 4 KB 30761 OT: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow PENFOLD Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow I for one know where Brussels is... Unfortunately you are right.... I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that half of the kids in the US couldn't even find the US on a world map! Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> mengels@w... 12/21/01 10:24AM >>> >My geography teacher and German language lessons left me with the >impression that Germany experienced arctic weather in winter. >Whatever the weather, joy and peace to all members of this group this >Christmas. > >Toby :-) Do you live in America? Not to start a flame-war of course, but I'm under the impression that on most american schools the geography lessons are...well, not up to 'standard'. Ask the average (again not all) american where Brussels is and they say it's in Holland or in Denmark. :-) Merry Xmas! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... ----------------------------------------- Info --------- >>> Weihnachts Aktion! JETZT zugreifen: .at Registrierungs Gebuehr EUR 25,00 (ATS 344,-) .cc Registrierungs Gebuehr EUR 34,00 (ATS 468,-) > und neue Domain Endungen: .tv, .org.uk, .co.uk Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Let it snow Marcel, I live just outside London, and I guess my reason for assuming the cold weather in Germany was that our German studies were always based on Garmisch Partenkirchen in Bavaria - it's a location of one of the most famous ski-jump competitions if I remember correctly. Our Geography majored on central european weather systems - probably because British weather prediction is notoriously crap ! Re the comment about American geography teaching - how many of us Europeans could accurately place 20 major US cities on a US map ? I suspect European geography has little relevance to US kids just as us Euro's don't do much study of America or Asia. However, it is a bit embarrassing to see such examples as my wife's Fleetwood Mac Live album where Zurich is confidently placed in Germany - news to the Swiss buyers of the album ! Toby --- In tadream@y..., mengels@w... wrote: > >My geography teacher and German language lessons left me > with the > >impression that Germany experienced arctic weather in > winter. > > :-) > Do you live in America? > > Merry Xmas! > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Info --------- > >>> Weihnachts Aktion! 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I agree that Song of the Whale 2 is Paul's best piano track. > >This is JF's earliest foray with the band, and as such it makes sense > >that his guitar style is pretty much a copy of dear old dad's. > >I for one love that style, and can't think of a fonder wish than > >to have the Froese's decide they don't a new guitarist to replace > >GG, but instead get a competent and creative keyboardist, leaving > >them to step up for some father/son guitar duelling for the fall > >2002 US/Canada tour! (This is what we call a pipe dream...) > > > I've been thinking my head off and still can't remember > anyone/anything with > the initials 'GG'... I haven't been much into the fresher > things going on in > TaDrealm... Gerald Gradwohl, the guy who had been playing guitar for TD since the Z-man (Zlatko Perica) vacated. 'GG' played on Goblin's Club and all the concerts (that had guitar work) since. Earlier posts to this mailing list drew my attention to his web page which stated that he would NOT be accompanying TD on the (now defunct) North American tour. My above statement was meant to say that it would be nice to hear Edgar and Jerome both step out from thier comfortable spots behind keyboards/computer consoles and give us a good 'axing'. > >Melrose is a good album, but I really only listen to these > three tracks > >much, > >and Electric Lion only occasionally because of the intro. > > I'm confused now... First you say that the intro in Elec.Lion > is 'totally > lame' and then you say you play it occasinally just for that... Something got lost in the translation here. The meaning was that it is ONLY played occasionally, because I can only stand to sit through the intro occasionally. The only reason I bother at all is the great guitar work for the bulk of the piece. Just my opinion of course. May God's gift of His Son to the world inspire us all to spread Peace and Joy everywhere we go (either in person or electronically)! James From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Let it snow You can play the 'Snowman' theme that Edgar borrowed for the closing of 'The Keep'... > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Hi Gang, > it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) years we will > have a white > christmas here where I live (Northern part of Germany) If it does I > will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and call it 'Tangerine > Dream' ~LOL~ > I wish all TD mailing list members a merry christmas & a > happy new year > :-) > > Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter Some people just don't know and don't even care to know where they or everything else is globally. (Sorry for the national self-blabbering that follows:) Did you know that Helsinki, the capital of Finland is the northernmost capital in the world - if you don't count Anchorage and whatever-was-the-capital-of-Greenland - and it still is on our *south* coast? I'm myself right in the middle of a blizzard at the moment... (Well, there are walls & roof in the between of course.) But _don't_ ask about polar bears. That is the 2nd easiest way of annoying a Finn(right after claiming the sauna to be a Turkish invention). We have only 3 polar bears in the country, and they're all at an animal park near the polar circle. --- And to keep this on topic... what TD pieces do you consider to be the most wintry? Here's my bunch of 3: Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of Nightmares Remote Viewing Hyperborea John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30766 Re: Geography / Winter quarlie@a... Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30773 Re: Geography / Winter Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 4 KB 30769 Re: Geography / Winter Synthhtnys@a... Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30772 Re: Geography / Winter Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 4 KB 30776 Re: Geography / Winter John Vertical Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30778 Re: Geography / Winter Synthhtnys@a... Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30788 Re: Geography / Winter quarlie@a... Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow I Have to admit that Garmisch is a beautiful part of the world, i really love it there, go there every year (i try to) for a week before my visit to Munchen for the Oktoberfest. Can be cold but the scenery makes it all worth it Chris --- braddito wrote: > My geography teacher and German language lessons > left me with the > impression that Germany experienced arctic weather > in winter. > Whatever the weather, joy and peace to all members > of this group this > Christmas. > > Toby > > --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen > wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > it seems that for the first time since 15 (!) > years we will have a > white > > christmas here where I live (Northern part of > Germany) If it does I > > will build a snowman, use a tangerine as nose and > call it 'Tangerine > > Dream' ~LOL~ > > I wish all TD mailing list members a merry > christmas & a happy new > year > > :-) > > > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Geography That's true, but I think you have to look at the 'average' person in most any country. Would the average person in the Netherlands know where Atlanta is? (I know you do, becuase I met you there.) Or know that Washington, DC and Washington (state) are over 2000 miles apart? I had a friend who was working here on temporary assignment from Australia. His parents came to visit and wanted to take a week to go visit Mount Rushmore, The Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone. If you had a chartered airplane you could do it, but in a car it would be impossible to do. It takes 3 days MINIMUM to drive coast to coast, and that's 2 drivers on rotating shifts. Unless you've been here, it's hard to grasp the enourmous size of the US. We have a LAKE the size of Belgium (Lake Superior - actually on the border of US and Canada). On the other hand, Americans are so used to everthing being part of the same country that they get a little confused with all the tiny little countries in Europe. Unless you've been there, it's hard to imagine being able to drive a few hundred miles and pass through a half-dozen countries. > -----Original Message----- > From: mengels@w... [mailto:mengels@w...] > Do you live in America? > Not to start a flame-war of course, but I'm under > the impression that on most american schools the > geography lessons are...well, not up to 'standard'. > Ask the average (again not all) american where > Brussels is and they say it's in Holland or in Denmark. :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30758 Re: Geography Greg Fri 12/21/2001 3 KB 30770 Re: Geography mengels@w... Sat 12/22/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Years Good God man is there actually a track or album that you do like ????????? Chris --- John Vertical wrote: > Here we go again... > > I only have Lily & Melrose, and I have to say that > the foregoing is better. > > Too Hot For My Chinchilla: Boring. > Lily On The Beach: For some reason I really like > this one. It's a good > melody or something. > Alaskan Summer: Quite average, there's more than one > of this kind of tracks. > I like that certain string-type keyboard sound found > on most pieces. > Desert Drive: Cruisy. Doesn't stop for one second to > repeat anything. > Mt. Shasta: 'And now for something completely > different...' Calm and > beautiful. > Crystal Curfew: This indeed has some urban feeling. > Paradise Cove: Very energetic, with yet another good > main theme. > 29 Palms: Compulsory piano track. > Valley Of The Kings: Doesn't say much to me either. > Radio City: Along the guidelines of the title track > and Paradise Cove, with > nice percussion. I wouldn't notice that this one had > someone besides > Edgar&Paul if it didn't say... > Blue Mango Café: Relaxious basic type track. > Gecko: Fun but shallow. > Long Island Sunset: Extraordinary ballad-ish feat! > Good entré for TD+Sax. > Though I like the keyboards&flute better. > > Melrose: Nice melody, nice rhytm... but won't stand > too high when compared > to all the others. > 3 Bikes In The Sky: Brilliant... except that the > guitar solo sounds forced. > Dolls In The Shadow: Like many others (eg. Coldwater > Canyon, Gaudi Park) > this starts well but gets tiresome towards the end. > Yucatan: Great drumming but not much else. Guitar > blends in better than > elsewhere on the album. > Electric Lion: 'Modern' version of Cloudburst Flight > IMHO. However not as > violent. > Rolling Down Cahuenga: The only flaw is that it's > perhaps too long. Not a > highlight though. > Art Of Vision: Similar to previous one but better. > Strong bass. > Desert Train: What's with this obsession for the > word 'Desert' in TD track > titles? Anyway, the beginning has a hint of > something deeper while the rest > is just light happy hopping. > Cool At Heart: *yawn* No, I'm not bored.. just > feeling sleepy... *yawn* It's > such an ... anemic piece, but not in a negative way. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From: 'Gert Jalass' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) Hi, I would be interested in getting a copy. All modern methods of payment ( e.g. transfer to a 'EU' bank account ) are an option. I do live in Switzerland. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'fitican' To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: [tadream] UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) Hi guys, this is good news for the TD collectors, specially the Spanish collectors... Finally we've made it!... the old tapes with the legendary TD concert in Bilbao are now on CD!!! Yes, after a long process of careful digital audio restoring, we have finally translated these 26 year old tapes (with the 2-hour full show) onto a wonderful double CD-R!! TANGERINE DREAM: LIVE IN SPAIN (Pabellón de la Casilla, Bilbao, Vizcaya, 31-1-1976) 2 CD-Rs The recording contains only 4 tracks, 2 over forty minutes and 2 encores, around 18 and 9 minutes each (of course, the music is totally new and previously unreleased on any studio album). The sound quality is very good (the tapes were still in good condition after all these years!!) E-mail me if you are interested, thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hola amigos, una breve nota para comentaros que por fin se han desempolvado las 2 cassetes con la grabación íntegra del concierto de TD en Bilbao de 1976. Tras un laborioso proceso de edición digital del audio, ya tenemos a salvo un documento histórico de primera magnitud en la carrera de TD. La calidad de sonido es, en general, excelente, sobre todo en el primer CD, que incluye un corte de 45 minutos. El segundo CD contiene 3 temas más, pero la calidad de sonido es algo peor, no por culpa de la grabación, sino por la deficiente acústica del local para los graves, que a veces retumban más de la cuenta (digamos que el sonido es menos limpio, por culpa de una labor de la mesa poco afortunada, pero ya se sabe lo que pasa siempre en los conciertos en directo, al principio suave y después van subiendo hasta saturar). En cualquier caso, el sonido es mucho mejor que la mayoría de los bootlegs que hay por ahí de esta época del grupo. Si os interesa, no dudéis en poneros en contacto conmigo en esta dirección: l_f_torre@h... Un saludo cordial y Felices Fiestas para todos. 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ID Date Size 31020 Re: UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) ANGELES LAVIN Fri 1/4/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) let's reply to fitican off-list, please. thanks! > -----Original Message----- ... > Hi, > > I would be interested in getting a copy. ... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'fitican' > To: > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:50 PM > Subject: [tadream] UNCOVERED TD LIVE SPAIN (BILBAO 31-1-1976) > > TANGERINE DREAM: LIVE IN SPAIN (Pabellón de la Casilla, Bilbao, > Vizcaya, 31-1-1976) 2 CD-Rs > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography From: 'Owens, James' > > On the other hand, Americans are so used to everthing being part of the same > country that they get a little confused with all the tiny little countries > in Europe. Unless you've been there, it's hard to imagine being able to > drive a few hundred miles and pass through a half-dozen countries. I think it would be very hard for us Americans to even begin to appreciate that you actually can drive a few hundred miles and pass through many countries. I think many Americans almost treat the different countries of Europe as states that can easily be passed through. It's hard for us to imagine the time when such countries were at war and borders were fought for. Nevertheless it's wonderful all you guys get along! Greg H. NP: Amarok From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:04 pm Subject: Re; Wahn Sorry, haven't really been following the list that closely recently, but saw the discussion on the voices on Wahn. I was told, on this list, that the voices came from a Mellotron. I raised the question some time ago because another album, Artimiy Artimiev's Point of Intersection, has exactly the same 'vocals' on one of the tracks. I wondered if he had sampled Wahn and someone said that it may have been Mellotron tapes. Now, whoever that was may have been winding me up, but its another little ingredient to add to the mix. Craig Cordrey craig.cordrey@b... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30760 Re: Re; Wahn Antonio Nunes Fri 12/21/2001 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Wahn Craig Cordrey wrote: > > Sorry, haven't really been following the list that closely recently, but saw > the discussion on the voices on Wahn. > > I was told, on this list, that the voices came from a Mellotron. The booklet of Atem (Jive release) says: Chris Franke: Organ, ... , Voice Edgar Froese: Mellotron, ... , Voice So, apparently Chris and Edgar are the 'singers' on Wahn. Antonio From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: OT: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow At 01.12.21 16:35, braddito wrote: >Our Geography majored on central european weather systems - probably >because British weather prediction is notoriously crap ! I'd love to have a job as the weather person on the TV news.....what other career can you be consistently wrong ~80% of the time and *still* keep your job? Ain't much needed in learning to become the weather person on the TV news. Here on the Left Coast we have a weatherman on KABC-7 by the name of Garth Kemp, his previous job? A rock-n-roll radio DJ on KLOS 95.5FM! Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 12:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Christmas Greetings Phil: Thanks for the good words! I have listened to the recording of Pentamerous Metamorphosis that you sent many, many times, and it is still absolutely beautiful. Your kindness is greatly appreciated... Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too! Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: vic rek Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 1:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow I believe that this list has educated everyone somewhat better in their geography. Example: Right now I'm looking up BILBOA SPAIN, where TD played January 31, 1976. I see that it is on the north coast of Spain. Looks like a nice place to visit someday... But you only learn geography if you are interested. I don't care what school teaches you. But I do get upset when I hear an America refer to Europe as a country! Anyway, all you really need to know is where Berlin is, the birthplace of EM!!! And Okefenokee Swamp, where the next EM gathering will take place ;-) Merry Christmas! Vic > > Unfortunately you are right.... I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that half of the kids in the US couldn't even find the US on a world map! > > Do you live in America? > Not to start a flame-war of course, but I'm under > the impression that on most american schools the > geography lessons are...well, not up to 'standard'. > Ask the average (again not all) american where > Brussels is and they say it's in Holland or in Denmark. :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30789 Re: Let it snow Miguel Farah F. Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 1:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot mishmash/The Enya/Kitaro Connection Folks: > i love shadowfax--got to see 'em twice RIP chuck > greenberg Speaking of tangible and intangible connections between LOTR and music, how many of you know that the group 'Shadowfax' was named after Gandalf's horse? What a great Final Jeapordy question! Deb J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 2:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow Marcel, I live just outside London, *LOL!!! AHA !!!! > > Re the comment about American geography teaching - how many of us > Europeans could accurately place 20 major US cities on a US map ? I > suspect European geography has little relevance to US kids just as us > Euro's don't do much study of America or Asia. However, it is a bit > embarrassing to see such examples as my wife's Fleetwood Mac Live > album where Zurich is confidently placed in Germany - news to the > Swiss buyers of the album ! > > Toby *Thank you very much Toby, I hear that 'Americans are no good at geography' thing on various lists and always wonder why it's an issue... It seems that most of these comments are from Europeans who expect us to know European geography.. I mean I live in Vancouver Washington and quite often get confused for being Canadian... I certainly don't expect anyone in Europe to know the difference, or to know much American geography for that matter. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 2:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter In a message dated 12/21/01 12:48:33 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: >And to keep this on topic... what TD pieces do you consider to be the most >wintry? The ones that come to mind for me are 'Rubycon' (part one in particular) and 'Bent Cold Sidewalk.' Outside of TD, the single 'coldest' electronic piece I can think of would have to be Mortiis' 'Fodt Til a Herske' (insert accent marks where appropriate). Brr. --Daniel NP: Dubstar - Make It Better Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30773 Re: Geography / Winter Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 4 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:35 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Another Virus Joe! I appreciate the real virus alerts, though, as long as they've been checked out not to be hoaxes. If it weren't for the warning on the uwp list, I would have opened the Happy99.exe virus that a friend sent me unwittingly. Thanks. 8-) Dell >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Another Virus >Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:37:09 -0500 > >none of this applies to this mailing list because I have it set to strip >all >attachments. don't worry, be merry! > >Joe As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: vic rek Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1150 Let me know if you can open the last file I sent. Thanks, Vic 'Bruce A. Crichton' wrote: > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:32:46 +0100 (MET) > From: Jens Kilian > Subject: LotR > > > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:21:59 EST > > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > Subject: Re: and Rings and Schulze Re: Enya > > > > I've read Lord of the Rings only once so far. I've been reading Tolkien > > since august 1999. > > Before anybody starts to comment on discussing _LotR_ on this list, let > me inject something a bit more on topic: > > Has anybody else around here heard Bo Hansson's album _Lord of the Rings_? > Comments? > > I listened to this (apparently I have the 1986 remixed version; the original > was produced in 1970) last week, after many years. As music, I find it > so-so; > there's a lot of repetition and not as much atmosphere as in TD music from > the > same era (_Electronic Meditation_ excepted, of course). I also couldn't > match the music to the pictures of _LotR_ I've carried around in my head > for perhaps a quarter century now (I still hope that some of them will match > the movie :-). > > On a subjective scale from 0 to 10, I'd give it a 6. > > Bye, > Jens. > -- > mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) > http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 > PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a > fish, > > 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. > [Blake] > > I rather enjoyed Bo Hansson's LOTR. > > My favoiurite tracks are 'The Old Forest & Tom Bombadil', 'Fog on the > Barrow-Downs', 'The Black Riders & Flight to the Ford' and 'Shadowfax'. > > I found myself quietly whistling the tunes while watching the movie last > night. It takes Harry Potter to school. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter In a message dated 12/21/2001 11:48:42 AM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > (Sorry for the national self-blabbering that follows:) > > Did you know that Helsinki, the capital of Finland is the northernmost > capital in the world - if you don't count Anchorage and > whatever-was-the-capital-of-Greenland - and it still is on our *south* > coast? > *Hmmmm, I have to mention one of the best bands out there right now is Nemesis, they're from Finland.... Check them out if you haven't yet. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mengels@w... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography James wrote: >That's true, but I think you have to look at the 'average' person in most >any country. Would the average person in the Netherlands know where Atlanta >is? (I know you do, becuase I met you there.) Or know that Washington, DC >and Washington (state) are over 2000 miles apart? Thats also true. :-) There once was a sort of vacation program on the TV and people could win a vacation if they just knew where that country was...they had to show it on a map. 8 out of 10 people just didn't know. I find that so strange. America is very big yes. I wonder how TD did their touring. Mostly by bus or sometimes by plane? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... ----------------------------------------- Info --------- >>> Weihnachts Aktion! JETZT zugreifen: .at Registrierungs Gebuehr EUR 25,00 (ATS 344,-) .cc Registrierungs Gebuehr EUR 34,00 (ATS 468,-) > und neue Domain Endungen: .tv, .org.uk, .co.uk Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 9:19 am Subject: Season's greetings I'd like to take this opportunity of wishing everybody on the list the compliments of the season and presume that TD listening will take up some of the spare time. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter Outside of TD (not totally though), there's a Klaus Schulze masterpiece, Mirage (1977), which btw is subtitled 'An electronic winter landscape'. It's the most wintry music I know. And it's astonishing. I think it wouldn't be too much if I said it's perfect. I like winter. my city is so damn hot. -------- About US people and geography, it does bother me when I hear some americans saying stuff like 'Brazil's capital is Buenos Aires'... I mean, basic stuff, but that's my point of view - I'm in Brazil. I've also heard some saying that Brazil's capital was Rio de Janeiro (= River of January in English), but that doesn't bother me, since Rio was the capital until 1960; the new capital is a new, projected city called Brasília, in the central part of the country (built more or less in the center itself, on purpose), but Rio is still the main city, along with São Paulo (= Saint Paul, in English), which is the biggest in South America. It's as if the geographically ignorant americans knew there were only a few countries: US, Europe, Egypt (the pyramids are there), Japan (=China =Korea =Vietnam), North Pole (where Santa lives), South Pole (where Chilly Willy comes from), Africa and Latin America. I don't know why I came in this geography discussion. Maybe it's because the university classes have just ended and I've got nothing 'important' to do this saturday. oh well. -GJ who lives in the River of January. There's of course a story about that (strange) name but I'll tell that some other time. merry christmas to you all and all that stuff! p.s. 11 days to LOTR down here! (yes, I'm counting the days! ;) p.p.s. sorry about this nearly totally useless message. i can't help myself. p.p.p.s. three p.s.'s!!! >The ones that come to mind for me are 'Rubycon' (part one in particular) and >'Bent Cold Sidewalk.' Outside of TD, the single 'coldest' electronic piece I >can think of would have to be Mortiis' 'Fodt Til a Herske' (insert accent >marks where appropriate). Brr. >--Daniel Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter Outside of TD (not totally though), there's a Klaus Schulze masterpiece, Mirage (1977), which btw is subtitled 'An electronic winter landscape'. It's the most wintry music I know. And it's astonishing. I think it wouldn't be too much if I said it's perfect. I like winter. my city is so damn hot. About US people and geography, it does bother me when I hear some americans saying stuff like 'Brazil's capital is Buenos Aires'... I mean, basic stuff, but that's my point of view - I'm in Brazil. I've also heard some saying that Brazil's capital was Rio de Janeiro (= River of January in English), but that doesn't bother me, since Rio was the capital until 1960; the new capital is a new, projected city called Brasília, in the central part of the country (built more or less in the center itself, on purpose), but Rio is still the main city, along with São Paulo (= Saint Paul, in English), which is the biggest in South America. It's as if the geographically ignorant americans knew there were only a few countries: US, Europe, Egypt (the pyramids are there), Japan (=China =Korea =Vietnam), North Pole (where Santa lives), South Pole (where Chilly Willy comes from), Africa and Latin America. I don't know why I came in this discussion. Maybe it's because the university classes have just ended and I've got nothing 'important' to do this saturday. oh well. please, anyone out there, take no offense. but you shouldnt; I believe you know Mongolia's capital is Ulan Bator... ;) (I always liked travelling on maps. hey, I don't have money to visit Bhutan.) -GJ who lives in the River of January. There's of course a story about that (strange) name but I'll tell that some other time. p.s. 11 days to LOTR down here! (yes, I'm counting the days! ;) p.p.s. sorry about this nearly totally useless message. i can't help myself. p.p.p.s. three p.s.'s!!! >The ones that come to mind for me are 'Rubycon' (part one in particular) and >'Bent Cold Sidewalk.' Outside of TD, the single 'coldest' electronic piece I >can think of would have to be Mortiis' 'Fodt Til a Herske' (insert accent >marks where appropriate). Brr. >--Daniel Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Christmas Hi all, just thought I`d wish everyone a merry christmas and a happy new year. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de (Ashra Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Just a quick note to wish everyone on the list a very merry Christmas and a happy new year. 2001 highlights? Obviously attending the Shepherd's Bush and Warsaw concerts (but sadly not Bernau), and meeting many new friends in the process. Having attended those now makes me think how fortunate I was since the band won't be touring North America. Lowlights? Not really, but, well, I suppose by TD standards, 2001 has been a very quiet year as regards releases, with only 'Dream Mixes 3'. I was getting quite used to buying up the four or five we usually get from the band. Good thing or bad? 2002? I suppose the release of 'Inferno'. but I strongly suspect we will little on anything else, unfortunately. I'm spending my Christmas in the UK (anyone know what the snow situation is there?). Here in Poland, like much of Europe, we've had plenty of snow! So whilst I'm in the UK I probably won't have much time to catch up on the news... So to everyone, a very merry Christmas and a happy new year! Roger Hartopp (& Joanna) -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter >*Hmmmm, I have to mention one of the best bands out there right now is >Nemesis, they're from Finland.... Check them out if you haven't yet. >Poly What kind of a band? I don't have a very wide taste, so I'd rather know what I'm getting before wasting/investing my euros to. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff >Outside of TD (not totally though), there's a Klaus Schulze masterpiece, >Mirage (1977), which btw is subtitled 'An electronic winter landscape'. >It's the most wintry music I know. And it's astonishing. I think it >wouldn't be too much if I said it's perfect. I like winter. my city is so >damn hot. > Enmm, I've only yet started to get into Schulze. I heard Dig it about an year back now and didn't like it at all. But recently I got Irrlicht and have to say it's *much* better. >It's as if the geographically ignorant americans knew there were only a few >countries: US, Europe, Egypt (the pyramids are there), Japan (=China =Korea >=Vietnam), North Pole (where Santa lives), Ahem. Santa lives actually here in Finland. www.santaclausplaza.com/english/index.html (no offense) >South Pole (where Chilly Willy comes from), Africa and Latin America. > >I don't know why I came in this discussion. Maybe it's because the >university classes have just ended and I've got nothing 'important' to do >this saturday. oh well. please, anyone out there, take no offense. but you >shouldnt; I believe you know Mongolia's capital is Ulan Bator... ;) (I >always liked travelling on maps. hey, I don't have money to visit Bhutan.) > I also like map travelling... when I was a kid, my favorite 'book' was the local road map. Can you people find these places on the map: Togo Ouagadougou the Sulu Sea McDonald Island Adorn (from the LotR map ;~) >-GJ who lives in the River of January. There's of course a story about that >(strange) name but I'll tell that some other time. Why not now? John Vertical PS: Please don't get pissed off by such a WOT (Way Off Topic) message(s) like this... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30779 Re: Geography & other OT stuff Synthhtnys@a... Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30780 Re: Geography & other OT stuff Admin Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30784 Re: Geography & other OT stuff Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 3 KB 30782 Re: schulze, finland, river of january, Uakti, [t Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 5 KB 30783 schulze (one last thought) Re: [tadream] Geograph Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 2 KB 30785 Re: Geography & other OT stuff Admin Sat 12/22/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter In a message dated 12/22/2001 12:48:23 PM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > >*Hmmmm, I have to mention one of the best bands out there right now is > >Nemesis, they're from Finland.... Check them out if you haven't yet. > >Poly > > > What kind of a band? I don't have a very wide taste, so I'd rather know > what > I'm getting before wasting/investing my euros to. > > John Vertical > > *Well there's a definite TD flavor, though they have their own unique sound which incorporates newer rhythms, but with classic slabs of warm analog and shiny mellotron. Beautiful. They're not technically Psytrance, but share a common aesthetic with that style. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff In a message dated 12/22/2001 1:03:33 PM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > Enmm, I've only yet started to get into Schulze. I heard Dig it about an > year back now and didn't like it at all. But recently I got Irrlicht and > have to say it's *much* better. > > *Dig it was made in a very questionable era of Schulze's work... Mirage, on the other hand is one of the all time greats of electronic music. Usually you're pretty safe with '70's era Schulze... IMO Mirage is a must have Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 10:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff Perhaps some topics are best left off post and e-mailed. Other than the insult to Americans, which should have been left off, I would agree with you that some of my fellow country men are short in Geography. I myself, have spent some time in Europe as will as the Middle East. Perhaps each of us should do some time outside our country to learn a little about other cultures. Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30784 Re: Geography & other OT stuff Gustavo Jobim Sat 12/22/2001 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Christmas Ditto here. Lets all look forward to TD World Wide Tour in 2002! Dale From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: re: schulze, finland, river of january, Uakti, [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff >Enmm, I've only yet started to get into Schulze. I heard Dig it about an >year back now and didn't like it at all. But recently I got Irrlicht and >have to say it's *much* better. I particularly like Dig It very much. Poly said that you can be safe with the '70s Schulze albums; that is true. I recommend you get 'X', from 1978, a double album (don't get the separate CDs, you'll only lose money and the double is still available). 'X' was the first Schulze album I got (got Royal Fest. Hall Vol.1 first but it was too strange at the time for me, now I love it). 'X' has a good variety of styles, from rocking pieces to some of the best ambient Schulze, and there you'll find exceptional tracks, specially Friedrich Nietzsche, the first one, and Ludwig II von Bayern, the first in CD2. 'X' was Schulze's 10th album; I think he wanted to make something special for this. It's called 'Six musical biographies', and the tracks are named after people that existed, there are those tracks I've mentioned, plus Georg Trakl, Frank Herbert (the Dune writer), Friedemann Bach and Heinrich von Kleist. I also recommend you visit the official site www.klaus-schulze.com and read about, there are more recommendations there, including Schulze's own favourites, and there's the discography, which has cover pictures and short descrpitions for all albums, plus press reviews, which might also help a lot. I did that when I wanted to discover Schulze and it did help me a lot. 'X', for example, has this description: 'masterpiece number three'. Mirage, which was the album before 'X', is called 'A serious work. the second masterpiece.' >Ahem. Santa lives actually here in Finland. >www.santaclausplaza.com/english/index.html >(no offense) Yeah, I know, in Laponia (or however it's written in English), but I was talking about what the ignorants would think. no offense taken! One of my favourite countries in my map travels is Finland of the thousand lakes, so I know one or two things about Suomen Tasavalta - hey, Jean Sibelius is one of my favourite composers! some pieces I specially like are the Karelia Suite and Finlandia, and also the 5th symphony. :) >I also like map travelling... when I was a kid, my favorite 'book' was the >local road map. >Can you people find these places on the map: >Togo (next to Benin!) >Ouagadougou (capital of Burkina!) >the Sulu Sea (have no idea!) >McDonald Island (have no idea) >Adorn (from the LotR map ;~) (Adorn? have no idea!!) >>-GJ who lives in the River of January. There's of course a story about that >>(strange) name but I'll tell that some other time. >Why not now? Well, since you asked, some europeans who got here found this river mouth; it was january, so they called the river 'river of january'. turned out the river mouth was the mouth of a bay, not a big bay though, but the name continued, and Rio's metropolitan area (Rio and the other cities that surround it and meld with it) is around this bay, which was called Guanabara Bay. Hey, there's Maroubra Bay, maybe I should create a soft electronic piece called Guanabara Bay... (just to try to make this message see the shores of on-topicness on the horizon (and Horizon is the name of a great TD track)... -GJ now hearing a great version of Ravel's Bolero arranged and played by Uakti, a brazilian group who invents instruments made of materials like wood, glass, rubber, rock, metal, PVC tubes, frying pans, water, bamboo, and make some beautiful music. some parts of Mapa (=Map in english), the album which is closed by Bolero, reminded me of some experimental moments and sounds TD have made, like Sunrise in the Third System, Atem's intro, the 'wake up' Logos section... now, was this a diverse and varied message or what? i think could even be proud of it! hehehe! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 10:57 pm Subject: schulze (one last thought) Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff >Enmm, I've only yet started to get into Schulze. I heard Dig it about an >year back now and didn't like it at all. But recently I got Irrlicht and >have to say it's *much* better. By the way, you say you've got Irrlicht and liked it - usually people who recommend Schulze say 'stay away from irrlicht and Cyborg at first!', since they're considered difficult albums to get into. I took some time myself. If you liked Irrlicht, certainly you'll also like Cyborg: it could be simplistically described as 'a double Irrlicht', since it has four 25 minute tracks... GJ playing Uakti's 'Mapa' again - bought it today. a great album! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff >Perhaps some topics are best left off post and e-mailed. Other than the >insult to Americans, which should have been left off, I would agree with you >that some of my fellow country men are short in Geography. Please, I didn't mean to insult - I was talking about *geographically ignorant* americans, but that counts for anyone, americans or brazilians or germans... I think everyone who lives in this world nowadays should know a little about the world they live in, because the distances are really short now - look at this list for example. The world's got much smaller, and it's almost like one only country someway. This list is like a state in this country. >I myself, have >spent some time in Europe as will as the Middle East. Perhaps each of us >should do some time outside our country to learn a little about other >cultures. >Dale I always wanted to do that. Maybe someday I will... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 22, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff Agree with you. After all, as far as I can tell, we have only one planet to live on right now. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography & other OT stuff > > >Perhaps some topics are best left off post and e-mailed. Other than the > >insult to Americans, which should have been left off, I would agree with you > >that some of my fellow country men are short in Geography. > > Please, I didn't mean to insult - I was talking about *geographically ignorant* americans, but that counts for anyone, americans or brazilians or germans... I think everyone who lives in this world nowadays should know a little about the world they live in, From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:00 am Subject: Luminous Visions Does anyone know the Real titles of the songs TD does on this DVD? (Luminous Visions) What do you think about the interview? As I sit here looking at classic VH1 and flipping between Regular VH1/MTV, I wish they put some TD video's on. So I dug up some of my tapes and DVDs I have. What do you think if we all write these folks to add TD to the list to play? Dale From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enya (OT) quarlie@a... [19/12/2001 00:07] dijo/said: >In a message dated 12/18/01 2:01:53 PM, penfold@a... writes: > >>My nickname for Enya is 'Miss Five Presets' because >>it seems that almost *every* example of her so-called excuse for music >>sounds like the use of the same sound forms ad nauseam. > >Even more shockingly, every single piano sonata that simpleton Beethoven ever >wrote uses the exact same preset--some generic piano patch. Guess that makes >it musically invalid. It's actually WORSE than that - the Beethoven dude, and that Mozart jackass and a lot of others used always that stupid patch and never bothered to even modify it a little. I respect Bach for creating the patch (although he didn't invent it from scratch), but the other guys didn't do anything! -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Maybe you should stick to deathmatch Minesweeper.' - A.J., _User Friendly_, 20/03/2000 From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Geography / Winter In a message dated 12/21/01 12:48:33 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: >Did you know that Helsinki, the capital of Finland is the northernmost >capital in the world - if you don't count Anchorage and >whatever-was-the-capital-of-Greenland - and it still is on our *south* >coast? Ah, I guess that's why that one Finnish metal band is named Sonata Arctica. Incidentally, I just remembered another wintry EM piece--'Lifeless' by Synaesthesia. --Daniel NP: Massive Attack - Mezzanine From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow vic rek [21/12/2001 22:21] dijo/said: >I believe that this list has educated everyone somewhat better in their geography. > >Example: Right now I'm looking up BILBOA SPAIN, where TD played January 31, 1976. I see that it is on the north coast of Spain. Looks like a nice place to >visit someday... Bilboa? Is it near Bilbao? -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'That is not an answer that I can accept.' - Yousuf Karsh (1984) From: 'suitandtieguy' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 7:21 am Subject: what the hell is up with this Soundmill Navigator stuff? what was done to this recording and who did it? and, why did they want to strive to make it sound as bad as possible? i had in my hands Tangram and _this_, and i paid more for it because it seemed like it was going to be a 'live' recording ... instead i got some windham hill garbage. haha .. j/k ... i'm still listening to it but the protools/roland d-50 shit is really getting to me. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 8:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >what was done to this recording and who did it? > It was improvised by Edgar/Chris/Peter in 76 and remixed by Edgar in 2000. >and, why did they want to strive to make it sound as bad as possible? > There's that one air pump like unwanted sound running all the way through, but I don't see anything else bad here. In fact, it's brilliant othervise. Just my opinion though. >i had in my hands Tangram and _this_, and i paid more for it because >it seemed like it was going to be a 'live' recording ... instead i >got some windham hill garbage. haha .. j/k ... i'm still listening to >it but the protools/roland d-50 shit is really getting to me. Let me guess... you're not much of a fan of the early TD? But Tangram is still definetly better than this. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30816 Re: Soundmill Navigator suitandtieguy Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 8:44 am Subject: Happy Holiday Seasons to all... Wishing peace, love and light during this holiday season to all my friends. Poly From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:06 am Subject: Re: winter >And to keep this on topic... what TD pieces do you >consider to be the most >wintry? Here's my bunch of 3: >Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of Nightmares >Remote Viewing >Hyperborea > >John Vertical > As I've already said, that's Melrose, especially Desert Train. Press the button - and you are standing between almost covered in snow fir-trees! Hyperborea as the whole album never associated for me with a specific weather type or a place. Maybe that's because of the track title: No Man's land. It must be something abstract... Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30798 Re: winter John Vertical Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30858 Re: Hyperborea TheInfection Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB 30807 Re: winter PENFOLD Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB 30918 Re: winter Adele Outland Sat 12/29/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:08 am Subject: Cherokee Lane, Monolight Those Sorcerer sounds on Cherokee Lane, Monolight (and Stereolight)... I've finally caught them... They are from Betrayal! Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30797 Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight John Vertical Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30857 Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight TheInfection Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB 30800 Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight Dmitriy V N Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30803 Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight John Vertical Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30856 Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight TheInfection Thu 12/27/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: winter = VOSTOK / Craig Padilla There's an album not yet released, but I'd keep an eye out for it, if you love the chilly feel of Mirage. It's Vostok by Craig Padilla which should be released this year on the Spotted Peccary label... one of my favorite minimalist EM pieces.... and Vostok is apparently a frozen lake in Russia... Beautiful Poly From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] VOSTOK >and Vostok is apparently a frozen lake in Russia... I think it's one of Russia's bases in the South Pole. Of course, it might be named after something else... John Vertcial _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30965 Re: VOSTOK Andrei C Wed 1/2/2002 3 KB 30967 Re: VOSTOK jbrenholts@a... Wed 1/2/2002 2 KB 30972 Re: VOSTOK Synthhtnys@a... Wed 1/2/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cherokee Lane, Monolight >Those Sorcerer sounds on Cherokee Lane, Monolight (and >Stereolight)... I've finally caught them... They are >from Betrayal! > >Regards, > Dmitriy To me, Cherokee Lane has always been obvious. I knew immediately that it was from Betrayal when I heard that section(around 12 mins) the first time, though I had only heard Betrayal as the clip in the official diskography. Then the beginning also has a voice that's borrowed from Rain Forest and I remember that someone even suggested that the intro has some elements from Abyss. I'll have to check Monolight though... (The section at 11-13 mins, right?) -Well, it has some indegrients from that. But also some bits from The Call & Search. (And Stratosfear of course.) I guess they weren't drawing their melodies from some specificly decided source, but were instead blending it all together. Their existing ideas got mixed together with improvised ones - and boy, did they do it well. It doesn't sound forced at all. It is of course hard to improvise a good melody, so they somewhat had to use previous ones as additional clips. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30857 Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight TheInfection Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: winter >As I've already said, that's Melrose, especially >Desert Train. Press the button - and you are standing >between almost covered in snow fir-trees! > Listening to that at the moment I wrote this- a bit too frolic for my idea of winter. >Hyperborea as the whole album never associated for me >with a specific weather type or a place. Maybe that's >because of the track title: No Man's land. It must be >something abstract... > >Regards, > Dmitriy That album definetly has some Asian(or North African?) flavors. No Man's Land for me suggests an old trade route passing mostly through rocky areas, as does Cinnamon Road, while the title track gets a more northern milieu (definetly lots of snow anyway) and finally Sphinx Lightning has a more civilized mood, perhaps China or something. (You don't need to mention the moreso Chinese stuff by Jarre & Vangelis...) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30858 Re: Hyperborea TheInfection Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 10:34 am Subject: Re: Vostok >and Vostok is apparently a frozen lake in Russia... >Beautiful >Poly > No! 'Vostok' is simply the Russian word for 'East'!! Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30801 Re: Vostok mkljssl Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB 30805 Re: Vostok Dmitriy V N Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 10:56 am Subject: Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight >To me, Cherokee Lane has always been obvious. I knew >immediately that it was >from Betrayal when I heard that section(around 12 >mins) the first time, >though I had only heard Betrayal as the clip in the >official diskography. >Then the beginning also has a voice that's borrowed >from Rain Forest and I >remember that someone even suggested that the intro >has some elements from >Abyss. > And to me the Cherokee Lane Betrayal section sounds just like the Monolight one. But I can spot nothing else from earlier material in C-Lane. >I'll have to check Monolight though... (The section >at 11-13 mins, right?) Right. And then it reappears in the end after Stratosfear theme. >-Well, it has some indegrients from that. But also >some bits from The Call & >Search. (And Stratosfear of course.) What I can notice in Monolight is: Stratosfear Betrayal 3am Ricochet Part 2(?) - don't remember the exact part Tangram Set 2(?) - in the very end Monolight reminds of the very end of Tangram set 2. >I guess they weren't drawing their >melodies from some specificly decided source, but >were instead blending it >all together. Their existing ideas got mixed together >with improvised ones - >and boy, did they do it well. It doesn't sound forced >at all. It is of >course hard to improvise a good melody, so they >somewhat had to use previous >ones as additional clips. > >John Vertical > Maybe that's just because they used the instruments which were used in Sfear and Sorcerer? And of course they could add something later in studio. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: 'mkljssl' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 11:09 am Subject: Re: Vostok --- In tadream@y..., Dmitriy V N wrote: > >and Vostok is apparently a frozen lake in Russia... > >Beautiful > >Poly > > > > No! 'Vostok' is simply the Russian word for 'East'!! > > Regards, > Dmitriy Wasn't it also the name of the Soviet space program? I think Yuri Gagarin's first flight was on Vostok 1. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 11:10 am Subject: Re: Hyperborea >>Hyperborea as the whole album never associated for me >>with a specific weather type or a place. Maybe that's >>because of the track title: No Man's land. It must be >> something abstract... >> >> Regards, >> Dmitriy > > >That album definetly has some Asian(or North >African?) flavors. >No Man's Land for me suggests an old trade route >passing mostly through >rocky areas, as does Cinnamon Road, while the title >track gets a more >northern milieu (definetly lots of snow anyway) and >finally Sphinx Lightning >has a more civilized mood, perhaps China or >something. (You don't need to >mention the moreso Chinese stuff by Jarre & >Vangelis...) > >John Vertical > Maximum I can agree with is an empty moorland with strong winds blowing everywhere :) Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight >And to me the Cherokee Lane Betrayal section sounds >just like the Monolight one. But I can spot nothing >else from earlier material in C-Lane. > Take the very first voices in Cherokee Lane(0.12. - 0.45.) and some from Rain Forest(1.34. - 1.46. and 2.31. - 2.35.) -they're almost identical. >What I can notice in Monolight is: > >Stratosfear >Betrayal >3am > 3am? Probably, but where? >Ricochet Part 2(?) - don't remember the exact part The intro piano solo at least. >Tangram Set 2(?) - in the very end Monolight reminds >of the very end of Tangram set 2. > Hey, wow. This is interesting... they were working on Tangram THAT early?? :-b I think that the outro piano section is from Invisible Limits. Looks like that Monolight is quite a Frankenstein's Monster... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 11:26 am Subject: Mythodea What are opinions on new album Mythodea by Vangelis? Sounds very unpleasant. In fact the only his album I like is Albedo 0.39 Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30809 Re: Mythodea chris towers Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30810 Re: Mythodea Michael A Jean Sun 12/23/2001 4 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 11:27 am Subject: Re: Vostok >Wasn't it also the name of the Soviet space program? >I think Yuri >Gagarin's first flight was on Vostok 1. > >*Fornit Some Fornus* >MJUSSILA > Indeed. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:08 pm Subject: Re: Monolight >3am? Probably, but where? I remember hearing it somewhere but now can't find it :) Maybe it was in fact Invisible Limits that you've mentioned... And Betrayal theme begins at 8:06 >>Tangram Set 2(?) - in the very end Monolight reminds >>of the very end of Tangram set 2. >> > >Hey, wow. This is interesting... they were working on >Tangram THAT early?? >:-b Or just decided to insert this section into Tangram because the mood is very similar >Looks like that Monolight is quite a Frankenstein's >Monster... > >John Vertical > And another thing: the screams at 3rd minute can be found on Dominion (but with slightly different intonation) Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 10:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: winter At 01.12.23 01:06, Dmitriy V N wrote: >No Man's land. It must be something abstract... the raggah beat makes me think of being some place near the middle east amongst the Arabs.....that's why I've played while DJ-ing for the possible listeners out in the Black Rock Desert, the signal from the stations covers less than 5mi^2. Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Questions Merry Christmas everyone. Can anyone help with the following. 1 I saw a quote on some posts ages ago that I deleted. What was that quote and who said it about 'ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE'? It will come in handy with some work that I'm doing in January. 2 When Groove changed there was a CD I was after that I didn't manage to get called Ambient Voids? Does anyone have it? Please remind me what it has got on it? 3 Egyptian hues. I like the old Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitin to day record. Can anyone suggest any other interesting Egyptian music / chant stuff to try? 4 People have talked about animal noises on TD. I like BACKWARDS noises that are listenable like the gong on Exit and KS Blackdance. Anyone got any to suggest from TD or anyone else? 5 Wasn't there a photo in one of the booklets, I think it was the 70 - 80 boxed set that had George Harrison in it. What was that all about? MARTIN of TDI do you know? Thanks in advance David np Spyra - Sperics [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mythodea I was a bit disturbed by Mythodea when i listened to it at first, i was expecting something along the line of 'Voices' or 'Oceanic' that he did, but it turned out very different. Mind you after a few listens i think it will grow on people, i think im getting to know what its all about now. Chris Towers --- Dmitriy V N wrote: > What are opinions on new album Mythodea by Vangelis? > Sounds very unpleasant. In fact the only his album I > like is Albedo 0.39 > > Regards, > Dmitriy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30810 Re: Mythodea Michael A Jean Sun 12/23/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mythodea It hasn't grown on me yet either...Maybe the video will be better > -----Original Message----- > From: chris towers [mailto:cjt999fire2000@y...] > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:05 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Mythodea > > > I was a bit disturbed by Mythodea when i listened to > it at first, i was expecting something along the line > of 'Voices' or 'Oceanic' that he did, but it turned > out very different. Mind you after a few listens i > think it will grow on people, i think im getting to > know what its all about now. > > Chris Towers > > --- Dmitriy V N wrote: > > What are opinions on new album Mythodea by Vangelis? > > Sounds very unpleasant. In fact the only his album I > > like is Albedo 0.39 > > > > Regards, > > Dmitriy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > > Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Hyperborea Hi Hyperborean 'Of the extreme North' Yet I must agree the music sounds more Eastern in style IMO. Best Wishes and a whole lot more peace N,SE & W...... Phil N.P. Dom.F.Scab 'Binary Secrets' From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Hyperborea >Hi >Hyperborean 'Of the extreme North' >Yet I must agree the music sounds more Eastern in style IMO. > >Best Wishes and a whole lot more peace N,SE & W...... > >Phil > >N.P. Dom.F.Scab 'Binary Secrets' It is somewhat interesting that 'Hyperborea' means about the same as 'Ultima Thule'... 'hyper' and 'thule' are Greek but 'ultima' and 'borea' are from Latin so the words are mixed together a bit unorthodoxly... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30814 Re: Hyperborea mkljssl Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Questions >3 Egyptian hues. I like the old Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitin to day >record. Can anyone suggest any other interesting Egyptian music / chant >stuff to try? > I spot some Pyramidland style in the beginning of Atem but I'm not sure if you'lll agree... > >4 People have talked about animal noises on TD. I like BACKWARDS >noises that are listenable like the gong on Exit and KS Blackdance. >Anyone got any to suggest from TD or anyone else? > Yucatan (from Melrose) has backwards drum hits I think. Also some source says the chant in Resurrection (from Electronic Meditation) will turn into some legal text if played backwards. I haven't heard the piece but perhaps someone else can confirm this? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30827 Re: Questions Michael A Jean Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB From: 'mkljssl' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea > It is somewhat interesting that 'Hyperborea' means about the same as 'Ultima > Thule'... 'hyper' and 'thule' are Greek but 'ultima' and 'borea' are from > Latin so the words are mixed together a bit unorthodoxly... > > John Vertical 'Hyperborea' (in Greek) means regions 'behind the northern wind', i.e. the northern parts of Scandinavia like Lapland. 'Ultima Thule', the ultimate Thule, is according to Plinius Sr. the most northern island acrros from Britain. So maybe he meant one of the islands on the Norway's coast. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Monolight Analysis >And Betrayal theme begins at 8:06 > Whoops. I had completely ignored that one(which is extremely good BTW)... now that I think of it, it's actually quite obvious, too. I was rather thinking about the small bit from 11.12. to 12.32. Could that be the 3am one? I've actually suspected that before. > >>Tangram Set 2(?) - in the very end Monolight reminds > >>of the very end of Tangram set 2. > >> > > > >Hey, wow. This is interesting... they were working on > >Tangram THAT early?? > >:-b > >Or just decided to insert this section into Tangram >because the mood is very similar > Even if it would be the same, (more probably just happens to be similar) it's much much better in Tangram. But without Monolight, spotting this resemblance between Invisible Limits and Tangram would be virtually impossible... >And another thing: the screams at 3rd minute can be >found on Dominion (but with slightly different >intonation) > >Regards, > Dmitriy I've seen a list of 'TD Funny Noises' and one entry was marked to be found from both Monolight and Dominion, so already had looked for this. The voice is listed as 'Wehrr-wehrr-wehrr' so I had though of the background instead previously and didn't found the correspondance until now... this one is a bit harder to notice if you ask me. At least the 'Hobo March' section is unique. Or is it? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'suitandtieguy' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator John Vertical said: > Let me guess... you're not much of a fan of the early TD? > But Tangram is still definetly better than this. actually quite the contrary, i've just spent the past month listening to Klaus Schulze's Timewind and TD's Encore once each daily. what bothered me was the deceptive packaging, reading 'recorded in 1976' on the back and then putting it in and hearing all this treble- happy factory preset stuff _on_top_of_and_obscuring_ what sounds like some typically brilliant mid-70s TD. i can understand cleaning and de-noising a recording, hell ... i can even understand putting some nice shiny 2001-period Lexicon reverb on some tracks sparingly or Eventide-ing some sequencer lines or something, but any more than that (and this is definitely more than that) is really _new_ product and ought to be labelled as such. but i'm sure _plenty_ of people have said _exactly_ the same thing here so i'll shut up and go home now. i might just go out and buy Tangram. btw, Merry Christmas! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 8:05 pm Subject: Way off topic Hello All, I am very sorry for the way off topicness of this post. Topicness? Several years ago I posted on this list that I had a bootleg set from Stevie Ray Vaughn. Three CDs of concert cuts throughout his career. A couple people were interested and took me up on my offer of a trade. If those people are still on this list, please contact me off list as my 21 month old son has decided that he likes Stevie Ray Vaughn as well. He likes the way the cover art tastes and the way the CDs slide across the tile floor like those air hockey games. A lump of coal for Christmas I tell you!!!!!! Have a Healthy and Happy Holiday one and all!!! Neal From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: Merry Christmas Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the World. Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: Merry Christmas!!! Hi all Wish you a Merry Christmas and hope that you and your families have a wonderfull evening. May you be blessed with lots of lovely presents. Merry Christmas-greetings Jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Questions In a message dated 12/23/01 8:11:42 AM, fozziebear@b... writes: >1 I saw a quote on some posts ages ago that I deleted. What was that >quote and who said it about 'ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE'? > It will come in handy with some work that I'm doing in January. That quote was in one of Steven Feldman's various signatures. I think it was Einstein who said it. >3 Egyptian hues. I like the old Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitin to day record. Can anyone >suggest any other interesting Egyptian music / chant stuff to try? I'm about to veer off-topic here... I think I read that Turner's 1993 album 'Sphynx' (recorded with Helios Creed and members of the space-rock band Pressurehed) was a remake of the original Xitintoday. I could be wrong. In any event, it's based on Egyptian themes. This project evolved into the band Anubian Lights, which consisted of Turner, the members of Pressurehed and a few other guys (including more ex-Hawkwind people). Anubian Lights turned out another album of Egyptian-themed psychedelic music, 'The Eternal Sky.' They've shed members since then, but continue to produce strange music with a middle-eastern vibe. I think Turner did make at least one appearance on their last album. So, I hope that helps. >4 People have talked about animal noises on TD. I like BACKWARDS noises that are >listenable like the gong on Exit and KS Blackdance. Anyone got any to suggest from TD >or anyone else? There's some backwards drumming in 'Bride in Cold Tears' from Tyranny of Beauty. --Daniel NP: Juno Reactor - Beyond the Infinite From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 3:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Questions David Foster wrote: > -snip- > > 3 Egyptian hues. I like the old Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitin to day record. Can anyone suggest any other interesting Egyptian music / chant stuff to try? I'm not sure what your intent is -- authentic Egyptian music or what -- but I think of Egypt whenever I listen to Garry Hughes' 'Ancient Evenings'. I may simply be associating it with Norman Mailer's book. I don't know. The album is electronic (of course) and imho, excellent. Ciao -- Mark From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 11:55 am Subject: Bilbao 31.01.1976 Hi, I am searching the email from the TD Fan from Spain who write the email with the CDr Version of the TD Concert 31.01.1976 Bilbao. Who can help??? heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30835 Re: Bilbao 31.01.1976 John Marchington Tue 12/25/2001 4 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Winter (Poland) I've forgot to mention another undoubted wintry album. That's Poland (The Warsaw Concert). It was played in winter - remember the story about -5 degrees? Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 12:20 pm Subject: Nice Pairs I discovered that the most virgin years F-F-B albums can be distributed in pairs with virgin years F-F-S albums (by general mood&structure) : Phaedra - White Eagle Rubycon - Tangram Ricochet - Pergamon Stratosfear - Hyperborea Sorcerer - Thief There are also other pairs like this not only in virgin years: Encore - Livemiles Green Desert - Force Majeure Melrose - Goblins Club Lily On the Beach - Rockoon Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30833 Re: Nice Pairs John Vertical Mon 12/24/2001 3 KB 30836 Re: Nice Pairs quarlie@a... Tue 12/25/2001 2 KB 30840 Re: Nice Pairs Dmitriy V N Wed 12/26/2001 3 KB 30843 Re: Nice Pairs John Vertical Wed 12/26/2001 3 KB From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Questions According to the old Tangerine Dream International Fan Club, the backwards message in Resurrection is from a ferry emigration card from Dover, England to France. Merry Christmas, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com > Also some source says the chant in Resurrection (from Electronic Meditation) > > will turn into some legal text if played backwards. I haven't heard the > piece but perhaps someone else can confirm this? > > John Vertical > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:42 pm Subject: Live 1973-1974 Merry Christmas to all and let's have a healthy and wonderful 2002! This morning on Christmas Eve, I have decided to listen to some live Tangerine Dream CD-Rs from 1973-1974. Some of what I'm listening to today includes: Ponts de Ce Open Air Festival, France '73 Berlin '73 Metamusik Festival, Berlin '74 Sheffield England '74 Glascow, Scotland '74 I have to admit that this music along with the 1975 tour is my favorite! First off, I don't have to remember the track titles. There is just something about the sounds and atmosphere that is created that just puts me in a place and mood that I like to be in once in a while. If a few of you understand what I'm trying to say, you may agree that this music helps enhance very personal moments and provoke distant thoughts... Vic From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Questions I think it is someone reading from the back of a train ticket... > Also some source says the chant in Resurrection (from Electronic > Meditation) > will turn into some legal text if played backwards. I haven't heard the > piece but perhaps someone else can confirm this? > > John Vertical > > _____________________ From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: Absence of evidence > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:01:36 -0000 > From: 'David Foster' > Subject: Questions > > Merry Christmas everyone. > > Can anyone help with the following. > > 1 I saw a quote on some posts ages ago that I deleted. What was that quote and who said it about 'ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE'? It will come in handy with some work that I'm doing in January. > This is a quotation attributed to Albert Einstein -- although most likely apocryphical. The only references I foud either attributed to Carl Sagan (in one of his book) or to 'anonymous', with the exception of some groups posting -- notably on this very group -- by Steven Feldman, and I am surprised he did not reply to this already (though being on digest mode, by this time he may have already). This oftenly quoted bit is used essentially to justify the belief that earth has been visited by aliens in flying saucers, and the insisted upon non-dismissal of that belief based on the current absence of evidence. C.B.V.Goudreault Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30830 Re: Absence of evidence scfeldman@j... Mon 12/24/2001 3 KB 30831 Re: Absence of evidence David Foster Mon 12/24/2001 3 KB 30845 Re: Absence of evidence Joe Shoults Wed 12/26/2001 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Let it snow chris towers said > I Have to admit that Garmisch is a beautiful part of > the world, i really love it there, go there every year > (i try to) for a week before my visit to Munchen for > the Oktoberfest. Can be cold but the scenery makes it > all worth it I have been there once, in the summer some years ago. Didn't bother with the lift. I remember it was a beautiful place with lots of black butterflies. Firestarter had come out in the UK. I gave a copy as a present to a fellow taper who lived outside Munich. In return he gave me Zee by that guy out of PF and the former singer from Fashion. I managed to lose my copy of David Bowie's Let's Dance in Munich. David From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Absence of evidence On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:08:12 -0500 'Vincent Goudreault' writes: >>'ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE'? > >This is a quotation attributed to Albert Einstein -- >although most likely apocryphal [. . .] by Steven Feldman, >and I am surprised he did not reply to this already [. . .] I did -- but offlist, because I thought it was too off-topic to send here. >This oftenly quoted bit is used essentially to justify the >belief that earth has been visited by aliens in flying >saucers, and the insisted upon non-dismissal of that belief >based on the current absence of evidence. Yeppers, and it's fun to use re the 1984 KEEP LP, too. ;) Here are the two sigs I have with the purported Einstein quote in them: -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > C.B.V.Goudreault [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Absence of evidence Vincent Goudreault said > This is a quotation attributed to Albert Einstein -- although most likely > apocryphical. The > only references I foud either attributed to Carl Sagan (in one of his book) > or to 'anonymous', > with the exception of some groups posting -- notably on this very group -- > by Steven Feldman, > and I am surprised he did not reply to this already (though being on digest > mode, by this > time he may have already). > > This oftenly quoted bit is used essentially to justify the belief that earth > has been visited by > aliens in flying saucers, and the insisted upon non-dismissal of that belief > based on the current > absence of evidence. > > C.B.V.Goudreault Yes, Mr Feldman was the first to kindly reply with the details. Thank you all very much. I will try to find the Egyptian sounds. I have a very bad recording of Xitin to day. I saw Steve Hillage after a concert. He told me that the original atmospherics had been recorded from a tomb. Did He say King Seti's? Then he and others recorded their bits in the studio. From what I have read of the Book of the Dead, the vocals on Xitin are true to the book. Those that like Lord of the Rings may like the Book of the Dead. Did Nik Turner / Sphynx ever perform that stuff live? David From: 'horrod6' Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 8:20 pm Subject: Happy holidays Happy Xmas to those of you who celebrate it, and happy holidays to the rest of you. And a merry New Year to you all! A little present for some of you: I seem to remember when DM3 came out, there was a lot of discussion about which tracks had been mixed, and that 'Blue Spears' was a bit of a mystery. I just received 'Oasis' from a kind friend (you know who you are), and I'm pretty sure it's based on the second track, 'Zion'. It's not as obvious as some of the others, though. As an additional bit of erudition, I wonder if the title is an allusion to the angel Ithuriel's 'celestial spear' (celestial can be translated as blue) in 'Paradise Lost'? Anybody know if Edgar's a fan of Milton? LnH Marion P.S. For those of you who don't speak Brit, 'merry' can be taken to mean tipsy, as well as happy. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37925 Happy holidays Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB 37927 Re: Happy holidays Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nice Pairs > I discovered that the most virgin years F-F-B albums >can be distributed in pairs with virgin years F-F-S >albums (by general mood&structure) : > >Phaedra - White Eagle >Rubycon - Tangram >Ricochet - Pergamon >Stratosfear - Hyperborea >Sorcerer - Thief > >There are also other pairs like this not only in >virgin years: > >Encore - Livemiles >Green Desert - Force Majeure >Melrose - Goblins Club >Lily On the Beach - Rockoon > >Regards, > Dmitriy Good job Dimitry. Though I would pair Encore with Poland, not Livemiles - and I don't quite agree with Ricochet - Pergamon. And I'm pretty sure that these are good to mention too: Cyclone - Tyger (pretty trivial) Force Majeure - Underwater Sunlight Logos - Livemiles Alpha Centauri - Exit The next project would be to find the pairs from Chris / Jerome eras... And Merry Christmas of course to everyone. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'winniethepooh' Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 1:05 am Subject: Soundtracks (some off topic) Hey all, have a huge question. I know TD has done a ton of soundtracks, and obviously us being fans here, we'd have some know about the soundtracks they've done :) Just curious about soundtracks in GENERAL. I'm an absolute HUGE FAN of soundtracks, and have been a BIGGER FAN of music specifically by Angelo Badalamenti (he did the Twin Peaks score, Blue Velvet Score, and others, and I just recently picked up the soundtrack to Mullholland Falls, the latest David Lynch movie), so thought I'd ask if ANYONE KNOWS where a good link online is to be found for Angelo's work, and/or David Lynch's work? thanks. dan P.S. Happy warm fuzzies and holiday cheer to everyone. Kayleighs Playhouse - Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com TheTrading_Group OR electric80s at Yahoogroups.com AOL IM (winnietiggerfan), MSN (seasonsend97@h...) or ICQ (138830117) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30837 Re: Soundtracks (some off topic) PENFOLD Tue 12/25/2001 2 KB 30847 Re: Soundtracks (some off topic) Joe Shoults Wed 12/26/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 1:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bilbao 31.01.1976 Hi Heiko, Here is a copy of that original e-mail: - Hi guys, this is good news for the TD collectors, specially the Spanish collectors... Finally we've made it!... the old tapes with the legendary TD concert in Bilbao are now on CD!!! Yes, after a long process of careful digital audio restoring, we have finally translated these 26 year old tapes (with the 2-hour full show) onto a wonderful double CD-R!! TANGERINE DREAM: LIVE IN SPAIN (Pabellón de la Casilla, Bilbao, Vizcaya, 31-1-1976) 2 CD-Rs The recording contains only 4 tracks, 2 over forty minutes and 2 encores, around 18 and 9 minutes each (of course, the music is totally new and previously unreleased on any studio album). The sound quality is very good (the tapes were still in good condition after all these years!!) E-mail me if you are interested, thanks His name is fitican and his email address is fitican@y... I've already written to him 'off the list' requesting the CD-Rs but have not had a reply as yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 12:55 AM Subject: [tadream] Bilbao 31.01.1976 > Hi, > > I am searching the email from the TD Fan from Spain who write the email with the CDr Version of the TD Concert 31.01.1976 Bilbao. Who can help??? > > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) > > http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de > Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 3:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nice Pairs In a message dated 12/24/01 7:20:34 AM, oberic01@y... writes: > I discovered that the most virgin years F-F-B albums >can be distributed in pairs with virgin years F-F-S >albums (by general mood&structure) : > >Phaedra - White Eagle >Rubycon - Tangram >Ricochet - Pergamon >Stratosfear - Hyperborea >Sorcerer - Thief > >There are also other pairs like this not only in >virgin years: > >Encore - Livemiles >Green Desert - Force Majeure >Melrose - Goblins Club >Lily On the Beach - Rockoon I must admit I don't quite pick up on any of those resemblances. Just goes to show how subjective it is, I guess. --Daniel NP: the Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Eve and Other Stories From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundtracks (some off topic) At 01.12.24 20:05, winniethepooh wrote: >so thought I'd ask if ANYONE KNOWS where a good link online is to be found >for Angelo's work, and/or David Lynch's work? www.davidlynch.com is a good place to start Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: homepage update Hi all, I have updated the lists on my homepage http://www.caby.de/Music and also the TD related links page. happy holidays klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 4:06 pm Subject: Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays Hallo, spät, spät, aber trotzdem von Herzen: schöne Feiertage und einen guten Rutsch wünscht all the best for a peaceful christmas and a happy new year ! klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30846 Re: Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays Joe Shoults Wed 12/26/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Re: Nice Pairs > > Good job Dimitry. Thanks:] although I wouldn't call it a job:)) > Though I would pair Encore with Poland, not > Livemiles- Not exactly Encore - Livemiles but Encore (CD1) - Livemiles: Cherokee Lane ~ Albuquerque Concert Monolight ~ West Berlin Concert > and I don't quite agree with Ricochet - Pergamon. > And I'm pretty sure that these are good to mention too: > Cyclone - Tyger (pretty trivial) Don't think it can be a pair just because of vocals. Mood, structure and style are completely different. > Force Majeure - Underwater Sunlight ?? > Logos - Livemiles They definitely have something in common but I'm not sure whether it is enough to call them a pair. > Alpha Centauri - Exit > I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this one out. It's not so easy... > The next project would be to find the pairs from Chris / Jerome eras... > > And Merry Christmas of course to everyone. > > John Vertical > It's much harder - I can't feel such pairs intuitive. Maybe the second step is Haslinger/ Schmoelling. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: Dmitriy V N Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Klaus Schulze And I bought myself for christmas a couple of Klaus Schulze albums: Irrlicht Cyborg Picture Music Blackdance Timewind Moondawn Body Love 1&2 Mirage X Dune Time Actor Dig It Live! Best Regards and merry christmas to everyone! Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30844 Re: Klaus Schulze Eric Williamson Wed 12/26/2001 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze A COUPLE..........................maaaaaaannnn, have you won the lottery or what???? nice lot though Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dmitriy V N' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze > > And I bought myself for christmas a couple of Klaus > Schulze albums: > > Irrlicht > Cyborg > Picture Music > Blackdance > Timewind > Moondawn > Body Love 1&2 > Mirage > X > Dune > Time Actor > Dig It > Live! > > Best Regards and merry christmas to everyone! > > Dmitriy > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nice Pairs >Not exactly Encore - Livemiles but Encore (CD1) - >Livemiles: >Cherokee Lane ~ Albuquerque Concert >Monolight ~ West Berlin Concert I still think that Poland is a better company. > > Cyclone - Tyger (pretty trivial) > >Don't think it can be a pair just because of vocals. >Mood, structure and style are completely different. > Well, I've heard each only partially... from what I've heard, I do agree. Don't know what will the rest say to me. > > Force Majeure - Underwater Sunlight Basically because of the melodicness and good guitar lines (for a Franke era recording) > > Alpha Centauri - Exit > > > >I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this >one out. It's not so easy... > This one definetly is not easy. But. Alpha and Exit share some things still; both have a rather dark mood and have a new attitude towards music. Okay, this is not probably making sense. I'll wait for your comments while thinking myself what did I mean... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Eric Williamson Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze I am rather envious of your newly purchased Klaus collection. I have Timewind & Dark Side Of The Moog 8 on cd, and on vinyl Picture Musik & Transfer Station Blue. Klaus Schulze seems to have stuck to his guns rather well. And the fact he can work with Pete Namlook speaks loads about his ethos. That Quasimidi Wall is funny as shit! Have you noticed each Quasimidi module is a KS 'signature series' unit!?! I _must_ acquire Tonwelle, however. Schulze + Santana (as claimed on this list) + Micheal Shrieve can only equal FUN! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 2:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Absence of evidence oh, so that's what it means. I was using it to explain why my weekly sales reports weren't in my boss' Inbox. > -----Original Message----- > quote and who said it about 'ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF > ABSENCE'? It will come in handy with some work that I'm ... > This oftenly quoted bit is used essentially to justify the > belief that earth has been visited by > aliens in flying saucers, and the insisted upon non-dismissal > of that belief based on the current absence of evidence. From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 2:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays unfortunately we have no snow here for a good slide but we are happy anyway; hope you are, too! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 11:06 AM > To: klaus@c... > Subject: [tadream] Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays > > > > Hallo, > > spät, spät, aber trotzdem von Herzen: schöne Feiertage und einen > guten Rutsch wünscht > > all the best for a peaceful christmas and a happy new year ! > > klaus > > -- > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 3:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundtracks (some off topic) http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/personal/cm1jwb/badalmen.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~stewarts/badalamenti.htm http://us.imdb.com/Name?Badalamenti,+Angelo http://www.mindspring.com/~stewarts/bad.htm http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9843/angelo.htm http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9843/lynch.htm > -----Original Message----- > At 01.12.24 20:05, winniethepooh wrote: > >so thought I'd ask if ANYONE KNOWS where a good link online > is to be found > >for Angelo's work, and/or David Lynch's work? > From: Dmitriy V N Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: Re: nice pairs > > > Alpha Centauri - Exit > > > > > > >I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this > >one out. It's not so easy... > > > >This one definetly is not easy. But. Alpha and Exit >share some things still; >both have a rather dark mood and have a new attitude >towards music. Okay, >this is not probably making sense. I'll wait for your >comments while >thinking myself what did I mean... > > >John Vertical > Saying that it's not easy I meant two things: 1 It's hard to compare this two albums 2 It's hard for me to listen to Alpha Centauri another time. I'm not sure if I can do it today... At least I need a special mood to do it... About Exit: it's mood isn't dark. You can't say that about Kiev Mission, Choronzon or Network 23. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30853 Re: nice pairs John Vertical Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB From: Dmitriy V N Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze >A COUPLE..........................maaaaaaannnn, have >you won the lottery or >what???? > >nice lot though > >Regards >Jan > No:))) I payed for ALL this albums $5!!! :))))) I'm now playing X. Can't say that I like it but it's for the first time... Another 10-15 times and I'll be able to review it objectively. And who are all this people in track titles - Heinrich von Kleist, Georg Trakl, Ludwig II von Bayern? Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30850 Re: Klaus Schulze Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/26/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze ??!?!?!? If they're all original and in good shape I can't tell you how envy I am!! :) Georg Trakl was a poet; Schulze later (in 1993 or 94) released an opera based in Trakl's life, called Totentag. I don't know (or remember) about the others. > No:))) I payed for ALL this albums $5!!! :))))) > > I'm now playing X. Can't say that I like it but it's > for the first time... Another 10-15 times and I'll be > able to review it objectively. And who are all this > people in track titles - Heinrich von Kleist, Georg > Trakl, Ludwig II von Bayern? > > Regards, > Dmitriy From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Force Majeure live? I know there is a short bit on the Sydney '82 show that has stuff from Force Majeure, but are there any other concerts with live material from Force Majeure? OH- and I know the 2001 concerts had some too, but I'm specifically looking for live stuff from around the time of the original album. I guess they didn't tour for this album, did they? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30859 Re: Force Majeure live? DAVKAUFMAN@a... Thu 12/27/2001 2 KB 30861 Re: Force Majeure live? Joe Shoults Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB 30863 Re: Force Majeure live? Gustavo Jobim Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB 30864 Re: Force Majeure live? John Vertical Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB 30866 Re: Force Majeure live? Joe Shoults Thu 12/27/2001 2 KB 30867 Re: Force Majeure live? Antonio Nunes Thu 12/27/2001 2 KB 30868 Re: Force Majeure live? tei waz Thu 12/27/2001 2 KB 30870 Re: Force Majeure live? Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Fri 12/28/2001 3 KB 30912 Re: Force Majeure live? David Foster Sat 12/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: Winter Hyperborea was always the one for me, but not because of the music necessarily. One of my teachers in high school taped it for me and I'd listen to it on my Walkman on my way home during the winter. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30854 Re: Winter braddito Thu 12/27/2001 2 KB 30869 Re: Winter Miguel Farah F. Fri 12/28/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: nice pairs > > > > Alpha Centauri - Exit > > > > > > > > > >I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this > > >one out. It's not so easy... > > > > > > > >This one definetly is not easy. But. Alpha and Exit > >share some things still; > >both have a rather dark mood and have a new attitude > >towards music. Okay, > >this is not probably making sense. I'll wait for your > >comments while > >thinking myself what did I mean... > > > > > >John Vertical > > > >Saying that it's not easy I meant two things: > >1 It's hard to compare this two albums > >2 It's hard for me to listen to Alpha Centauri another >time. I'm not sure if I can do it today... At least I >need a special mood to do it... > >About Exit: it's mood isn't dark. You can't say that >about Kiev Mission, Choronzon or Network 23. > >Regards, > Dmitriy Okay, here goes. Exit is not dark in the same way as eg. Zeit is, but yes in the same way as Alpha Centauri. Sunrise In The 3rd System is not dark either, but nor too happy. Then, the title track of Alpha clearly steers towards the next album, as does Choronzon. The early lyrics in A.C. have a counterpart in Kiew Mission, the sort of staticness gets balanced by Exit and Pilots of ... , the overall mood gets covered by Remote Viewing. I hope you're getting it...? And it's not that they are counterparts in only relation to themselves, but their context as well. John Vertcial _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'braddito' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: Winter Hyperborea always makes me imagine bush country in fierce sunlight - strange that others find it 'wintery'. But I suppose that is part of the magic of EM. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Scott' wrote: > Hyperborea was always the one for me, but not because of the music > necessarily. One of my teachers in high school taped it for me and I'd > listen to it on my Walkman on my way home during the winter. > > Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30869 Re: Winter Miguel Farah F. Fri 12/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Off Topic : Happy Holidays and Being bad as usual 8-) Well, I've been on digest mode of late, so when I saw the subject headers 'Nice Pairs' my first thought to myself, 'Well, this is something that would interest me! 8-) Frank, who momentarily forgot where he was at and who really should get his mind out of the gutter. 8-) I just shook my head, because I can't believe myself sometimes, but anyone who does know me, probably would... 8-D I'm sorry. I know ..... I'm terrible 8-\ I'm surprised Santa Claus even came by my house .... It really is harder for some of us to behave 8-\ Happy holidays to all ... 8-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: Cherokee Lane, Monolight --- Dmitriy V N wrote: > Those Sorcerer sounds on Cherokee Lane, Monolight > (and > Stereolight)... I've finally caught them... They are > from Betrayal! > Regards, > Dmitriy Hah! I noticed them at the first listening! Now I can be proud of myself! (Do not take this too seriously, btw) Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 11:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cherokee Lane, Monolight --- John Vertical wrote: > To me, Cherokee Lane has always been obvious. I knew > immediately that it was > from Betrayal when I heard that section(around 12 > mins) the first time, > though I had only heard Betrayal as the clip in the > official diskography. > Then the beginning also has a voice that's borrowed > from Rain Forest and I > remember that someone even suggested that the intro > has some elements from > Abyss. > > I'll have to check Monolight though... (The section > at 11-13 mins, right?) > -Well, it has some indegrients from that. But also > some bits from The Call & > Search. (And Stratosfear of course.) I guess they > weren't drawing their > melodies from some specificly decided source, but > were instead blending it > all together. Their existing ideas got mixed > together with improvised ones - > and boy, did they do it well. It doesn't sound > forced at all. It is of > course hard to improvise a good melody, so they > somewhat had to use previous > ones as additional clips. > > John Vertical > Actually I can't hear nothing except Betrayal there. Perhaps I don't want to hear anything else, because The Call and Search for example aren't my favourites from Sorcerer. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 11:26 am Subject: Re: Hyperborea --- John Vertical wrote: > >As I've already said, that's Melrose, especially > >Desert Train. Press the button - and you are > standing > >between almost covered in snow fir-trees! > > > > > Listening to that at the moment I wrote this- a bit > too frolic for my idea > of winter. > > > >Hyperborea as the whole album never associated for > me > >with a specific weather type or a place. Maybe > that's > >because of the track title: No Man's land. It must > be > >something abstract... > > > >Regards, > > Dmitriy > > > That album definetly has some Asian(or North > African?) flavors. > No Man's Land for me suggests an old trade route > passing mostly through > rocky areas, as does Cinnamon Road, while the title > track gets a more > northern milieu (definetly lots of snow anyway) and > finally Sphinx Lightning > has a more civilized mood, perhaps China or > something. (You don't need to > mention the moreso Chinese stuff by Jarre & > Vangelis...) > > John Vertical I can't say that I hear certain Asian elements, not to mention about the North African stuff. Only sitar and koto brings few things in my mind, but that's just because the use of those instruments (real or synth) to bring Asian feel is somewhat cliche. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 12:23 pm Subject: Re: Force Majeure live? I know TD did a short bit of Force Majeure during their live gigs in late 1980 and early 1981 -- it's the same bit they did at the Sydney show that you mentioned. The first concert the band did after Force Majeure was the performance in East Berlin in early 1980. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:56:44 -0500 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: Force Majeure live? > > I know there is a short bit on the Sydney '82 show that has stuff from > Force > Majeure, but are there any other concerts with live material from Force > Majeure? OH- and I know the 2001 concerts had some too, but I'm > specifically looking for live stuff from around the time of the original > album. I guess they didn't tour for this album, did they? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1159 I like the flow of X, it's electronic classical and since I also enjoy classical music, I like it. I don't have many of Klaus' albums but one that I like a lot is In Blue. It has Manuel Gottshing of Ashra on the second disc. Ashra is another of my favorites. Robert Wear Rome GA No:))) I payed for ALL this albums $5!!! :))))) I'm now playing X. Can't say that I like it but it's for the first time... Another 10-15 times and I'll be able to review it objectively. And who are all this people in track titles - Heinrich von Kleist, Georg Trakl, Ludwig II von Bayern? Regards, Dmitriy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 01:46 Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1159 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 14 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Nice Pairs From: Dmitriy V N 2. Klaus Schulze From: Dmitriy V N 3. Re: Klaus Schulze From: 'PERGAMON' 4. Re: Re: Nice Pairs From: 'John Vertical' 5. Re: Klaus Schulze From: Eric Williamson 6. RE: Absence of evidence From: Joe Shoults 7. RE: Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays From: Joe Shoults 8. RE: Soundtracks (some off topic) From: Joe Shoults 9. Re: nice pairs From: Dmitriy V N 10. Re: Klaus Schulze From: Dmitriy V N 11. Re: Klaus Schulze From: Gustavo Jobim 12. Force Majeure live? From: Joe Shoults 13. Re: Winter From: 'Scott' 14. Re: Re: nice pairs From: 'John Vertical' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitriy V N Subject: Re: Nice Pairs > > Good job Dimitry. Thanks:] although I wouldn't call it a job:)) > Though I would pair Encore with Poland, not > Livemiles- Not exactly Encore - Livemiles but Encore (CD1) - Livemiles: Cherokee Lane ~ Albuquerque Concert Monolight ~ West Berlin Concert > and I don't quite agree with Ricochet - Pergamon. > And I'm pretty sure that these are good to mention too: > Cyclone - Tyger (pretty trivial) Don't think it can be a pair just because of vocals. Mood, structure and style are completely different. > Force Majeure - Underwater Sunlight ?? > Logos - Livemiles They definitely have something in common but I'm not sure whether it is enough to call them a pair. > Alpha Centauri - Exit > I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this one out. It's not so easy... > The next project would be to find the pairs from Chris / Jerome eras... > > And Merry Christmas of course to everyone. > > John Vertical > It's much harder - I can't feel such pairs intuitive. Maybe the second step is Haslinger/ Schmoelling. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitriy V N Subject: Klaus Schulze And I bought myself for christmas a couple of Klaus Schulze albums: Irrlicht Cyborg Picture Music Blackdance Timewind Moondawn Body Love 1&2 Mirage X Dune Time Actor Dig It Live! Best Regards and merry christmas to everyone! Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:15:02 +0100 From: 'PERGAMON' Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze A COUPLE..........................maaaaaaannnn, have you won the lottery or what???? nice lot though Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dmitriy V N' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze > > And I bought myself for christmas a couple of Klaus > Schulze albums: > > Irrlicht > Cyborg > Picture Music > Blackdance > Timewind > Moondawn > Body Love 1&2 > Mirage > X > Dune > Time Actor > Dig It > Live! > > Best Regards and merry christmas to everyone! > > Dmitriy > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:11:06 +0200 From: 'John Vertical' Subject: Re: Re: Nice Pairs >Not exactly Encore - Livemiles but Encore (CD1) - >Livemiles: >Cherokee Lane ~ Albuquerque Concert >Monolight ~ West Berlin Concert I still think that Poland is a better company. > > Cyclone - Tyger (pretty trivial) > >Don't think it can be a pair just because of vocals. >Mood, structure and style are completely different. > Well, I've heard each only partially... from what I've heard, I do agree. Don't know what will the rest say to me. > > Force Majeure - Underwater Sunlight Basically because of the melodicness and good guitar lines (for a Franke era recording) > > Alpha Centauri - Exit > > > >I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this >one out. It's not so easy... > This one definetly is not easy. But. Alpha and Exit share some things still; both have a rather dark mood and have a new attitude towards music. Okay, this is not probably making sense. I'll wait for your comments while thinking myself what did I mean... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze I am rather envious of your newly purchased Klaus collection. I have Timewind & Dark Side Of The Moog 8 on cd, and on vinyl Picture Musik & Transfer Station Blue. Klaus Schulze seems to have stuck to his guns rather well. And the fact he can work with Pete Namlook speaks loads about his ethos. That Quasimidi Wall is funny as shit! Have you noticed each Quasimidi module is a KS 'signature series' unit!?! I _must_ acquire Tonwelle, however. Schulze + Santana (as claimed on this list) + Micheal Shrieve can only equal FUN! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:38:20 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Absence of evidence oh, so that's what it means. I was using it to explain why my weekly sales reports weren't in my boss' Inbox. > -----Original Message----- > quote and who said it about 'ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF > ABSENCE'? It will come in handy with some work that I'm ... > This oftenly quoted bit is used essentially to justify the > belief that earth has been visited by > aliens in flying saucers, and the insisted upon non-dismissal > of that belief based on the current absence of evidence. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:48:48 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays unfortunately we have no snow here for a good slide but we are happy anyway; hope you are, too! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 11:06 AM > To: klaus@c... > Subject: [tadream] Frohe Weihnachten / Happy Holidays > > > > Hallo, > > spät, spät, aber trotzdem von Herzen: schöne Feiertage und einen > guten Rutsch wünscht > > all the best for a peaceful christmas and a happy new year ! > > klaus > > -- > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:31:46 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Soundtracks (some off topic) http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/personal/cm1jwb/badalmen.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~stewarts/badalamenti.htm http://us.imdb.com/Name?Badalamenti,+Angelo http://www.mindspring.com/~stewarts/bad.htm http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9843/angelo.htm http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9843/lynch.htm > -----Original Message----- > At 01.12.24 20:05, winniethepooh wrote: > >so thought I'd ask if ANYONE KNOWS where a good link online > is to be found > >for Angelo's work, and/or David Lynch's work? > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitriy V N Subject: Re: nice pairs > > > Alpha Centauri - Exit > > > > > > >I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this > >one out. It's not so easy... > > > >This one definetly is not easy. But. Alpha and Exit >share some things still; >both have a rather dark mood and have a new attitude >towards music. Okay, >this is not probably making sense. I'll wait for your >comments while >thinking myself what did I mean... > > >John Vertical > Saying that it's not easy I meant two things: 1 It's hard to compare this two albums 2 It's hard for me to listen to Alpha Centauri another time. I'm not sure if I can do it today... At least I need a special mood to do it... About Exit: it's mood isn't dark. You can't say that about Kiev Mission, Choronzon or Network 23. Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:15:46 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitriy V N Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze >A COUPLE..........................maaaaaaannnn, have >you won the lottery or >what???? > >nice lot though > >Regards >Jan > No:))) I payed for ALL this albums $5!!! :))))) I'm now playing X. Can't say that I like it but it's for the first time... Another 10-15 times and I'll be able to review it objectively. And who are all this people in track titles - Heinrich von Kleist, Georg Trakl, Ludwig II von Bayern? Regards, Dmitriy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:27:46 GMT From: Gustavo Jobim Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze ??!?!?!? If they're all original and in good shape I can't tell you how envy I am!! :) Georg Trakl was a poet; Schulze later (in 1993 or 94) released an opera based in Trakl's life, called Totentag. I don't know (or remember) about the others. > No:))) I payed for ALL this albums $5!!! :))))) > > I'm now playing X. Can't say that I like it but it's > for the first time... Another 10-15 times and I'll be > able to review it objectively. And who are all this > people in track titles - Heinrich von Kleist, Georg > Trakl, Ludwig II von Bayern? > > Regards, > Dmitriy ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:56:44 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: Force Majeure live? I know there is a short bit on the Sydney '82 show that has stuff from Force Majeure, but are there any other concerts with live material from Force Majeure? OH- and I know the 2001 concerts had some too, but I'm specifically looking for live stuff from around the time of the original album. I guess they didn't tour for this album, did they? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:16:01 -0500 From: 'Scott' Subject: Re: Winter Hyperborea was always the one for me, but not because of the music necessarily. One of my teachers in high school taped it for me and I'd listen to it on my Walkman on my way home during the winter. Scott ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:21:46 +0200 From: 'John Vertical' Subject: Re: Re: nice pairs > > > > Alpha Centauri - Exit > > > > > > > > > >I must listen to Alpha Centauri again to check this > > >one out. It's not so easy... > > > > > > > >This one definetly is not easy. But. Alpha and Exit > >share some things still; > >both have a rather dark mood and have a new attitude > >towards music. Okay, > >this is not probably making sense. I'll wait for your > >comments while > >thinking myself what did I mean... > > > > > >John Vertical > > > >Saying that it's not easy I meant two things: > >1 It's hard to compare this two albums > >2 It's hard for me to listen to Alpha Centauri another >time. I'm not sure if I can do it today... At least I >need a special mood to do it... > >About Exit: it's mood isn't dark. You can't say that >about Kiev Mission, Choronzon or Network 23. > >Regards, > Dmitriy Okay, here goes. Exit is not dark in the same way as eg. Zeit is, but yes in the same way as Alpha Centauri. Sunrise In The 3rd System is not dark either, but nor too happy. Then, the title track of Alpha clearly steers towards the next album, as does Choronzon. The early lyrics in A.C. have a counterpart in Kiew Mission, the sort of staticness gets balanced by Exit and Pilots of ... , the overall mood gets covered by Remote Viewing. I hope you're getting it...? And it's not that they are counterparts in only relation to themselves, but their context as well. John Vertcial _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 4:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Force Majeure live? ...which was pretty much totally Tangram. I guess it really would have been hard to tour for FM, as they had that mysterious serendipitous malfunction that couldn't be reproduced that everybody might have wanted to hear. Although, didn't I read reviews about how FM was not received well critically? > -----Original Message----- > From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... [mailto:DAVKAUFMAN@a...] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:23 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Force Majeure live? > > > I know TD did a short bit of Force Majeure during their live > gigs in late > 1980 and early 1981 -- it's the same bit they did at the > Sydney show that you > mentioned. > > The first concert the band did after Force Majeure was the > performance in > East Berlin in early 1980. > > Sincerely, > > Dave Kaufman > Horizon Music, Inc. > > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:56:44 -0500 > > From: Joe Shoults > > Subject: Force Majeure live? > > > > I know there is a short bit on the Sydney '82 show that has > stuff from > > Force > > Majeure, but are there any other concerts with live > material from Force > > Majeure? OH- and I know the 2001 concerts had some too, but I'm > > specifically looking for live stuff from around the time of > the original > > album. I guess they didn't tour for this album, did they? > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30863 Re: Force Majeure live? Gustavo Jobim Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Hyperborea > > >Hyperborea as the whole album never associated for > > me > > >with a specific weather type or a place. Maybe > > that's > > >because of the track title: No Man's land. It must > > be > > >something abstract... > > > > > >Regards, > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > That album definetly has some Asian(or North > > African?) flavors. > > No Man's Land for me suggests an old trade route > > passing mostly through > > rocky areas, as does Cinnamon Road, while the title > > track gets a more > > northern milieu (definetly lots of snow anyway) and > > finally Sphinx Lightning > > has a more civilized mood, perhaps China or > > something. (You don't need to > > mention the moreso Chinese stuff by Jarre & > > Vangelis...) > > > > John Vertical > >I can't say that I hear certain Asian elements, not to >mention about the North African stuff. Only sitar and >koto brings few things in my mind, but that's just >because the use of those instruments (real or synth) >to bring Asian feel is somewhat cliche. > >Regards, >TheInfection Well, I get easily associated. And here's too the reason why I prefer instrumental music; you can think it's telling about whatever you like. If eg. Stratosfear would have lyrics about how nicely does the moon shine on the frozen beach - it wouldn't allow that much opinions. There would go my vision: the view that one could seen from a rocky and forested hill at a cool summer evening prior to sunset. And after seeing the lyrics to Alpha Centauri and Kiew Mission translated, I thought they were ridiculous. They still don't exactly fit into my view of the pieces, though the human voice is not a bad addition. It's just the meaning that annoys me. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30876 Re: Lyrics/Stratosfear TheInfection Fri 12/28/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Force Majeure live? Yeah, but that was only in Thru metamorphic rocks... I bought FM because of that malfunction, I got curious about it! Turned out to be my favourite TD album.. :) It would have been really nice if they had played the whole title track, or at least more bits from it, live, or in an improvised/mixed way, like the Quichotte concert, which I consider a kind of different mix of Tangram. Cloudburst Flight could also have been great if played live. I just think of that crazy guitar in that '77 Detroit concert, called acoustic LSD or something. I think I've also read somewhere that FM wasn't well received... But I don't know. >...which was pretty much totally Tangram. I guess it really would have been >hard to tour for FM, as they had that mysterious serendipitous malfunction >that couldn't be reproduced that everybody might have wanted to hear. > >Although, didn't I read reviews about how FM was not received well >critically? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Force Majeure live? > > The first concert the band did after Force Majeure was the > > performance in > > East Berlin in early 1980. > >...which was pretty much totally Tangram. 46 mins of this is avaivable as Pergamon - and I can't hear a thing from FM in it. >I guess it really would have been >hard to tour for FM, as they had that mysterious serendipitous malfunction >that couldn't be reproduced that everybody might have wanted to hear. Well, they could've just played that one from tape - or wait, they were then still into the philosophy of never-play-a-piece-twice... Anyway, there's a lot more besides that part. I remember hearing a while back on this list that a tour was actually planned, but it never came. Dunno why, perhaps the source of this information can help? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Quichotte >like the Quichotte concert, which I consider a kind of different mix of >Tangram. Sorry, analyzing again... Structurally this one is actually pretty close to Encore. Especially the first part. How many bits of Tangram there really are are in it, anyway? In Part 1, there's the basic rhytm(s) from Set 2 & the piano solo borrows some tunes from Set 1. Part 2 has in the beginning parts of the latter half of Set 2 - but I wonder if that's all? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30877 Re: Quichotte TheInfection Fri 12/28/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 7:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Force Majeure live? > -----Original Message----- > Cloudburst Flight could also have been great if played live. has Cloudburst Flight EVER been played live? or any other versions? (other than on Tangerine Ambience Vol II) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Force Majeure live? Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I think I've also read somewhere that FM wasn't well received... But I don't know. I've read the opposite. According to Scott Plumer's book 'Mysterious Semblance' (Hi Scott, we need an update to your book), FM was well-received, charting at number 27 in the UK. Antonio From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: Force Majeure live? Gustavo wrote: >Yeah, but that was only in Thru metamorphic rocks... I bought FM because of that malfunction, I got curious about it! Turned out to be my favourite TD album.. :) < Yep, first TD LP I ever heard and still my favorite, too. --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 12:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Winter braddito [27/12/2001 07:28] dijo/said: >Hyperborea always makes me imagine bush country in fierce sunlight - >strange that others find it 'wintery'. But I suppose that is part of >the magic of EM. That's odd. It makes me think of a snowy landscape just after sunrise. -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Hey baby, it's a quarter to eight. I feel I'm in the (diku)MUD.' - Alex Lee, Geddy Rutsey && John Lifeson From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 5:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Force Majeure live? Joe Shoults wrote: > ...are there any...concerts with live material from Force Majeure? > ...I guess they didn't tour for this album, did they? This is a bit redundant from other posts, but I don't think it was stated in so many words, so I'll say it: TaDrm don't 'tour' albums in the traditional sense. (Or, 'didn't'.) That's why so many of their live albums from the period worked as well as the studio albums (_Ricochet_, _Encore_, _Logos_), and (almost) _as_ studio albums. They toured constantly, and it was all improvisation- based. Yes, they repeated 'bits', and hence you will hear the occasional familiar snippet (E.G., the 'Monolight' single, portions of _Logos_ in the Keep soundtrack, etc.). It's not so much that they avoided playing the same thing twice, as they weren't so concerned with it. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 5:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Ludwig II von Bayern Dmitriy V N wrote: > And I bought myself for christmas a couple of Klaus > Schulze albums: Nice loot! I predict...(closes eyes and rubs temples)...that you will develop a taste for the downright _orchestral_ 'Ludwig II von Bayern'! I'm listening to something else, and I can _still_ come up with that bassline (the one that kind of helically spirals down). Some of my favorites ever are in that list: Blackdance, Timewind, Body Love 2, Dune, X (of course!), Dig It, and Live! Eric Williamson wrote: > I _must_ acquire Tonwelle, however. Schulze + Santana (as claimed > on this list) + Micheal Shrieve can only equal FUN! That's nothing -- have you heard Stomu Yamashta's Go Too?!? Him with Al Di Meola (if you know who that is). Never has there been a more disparate pairing. What's funniest about that pairing is that they both kind of stuck to their own styles, so there's space music right next to fusion jazz. I don't think they knew what to make of each other. Okay, maybe that one with Michael Shrieve and ...erm... someone else (looks it up)...oh, yeah! Kevin Shrieve..._Transfer Station Blue_...that's another odd -- albeit good -- one. I think I have more Klaus Schulze CD's than by any other artist, including Tangerine Dream. Maybe Pete Namlook. Maybe Bill Laswell, but only if you count his production work. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'Eric Williamson' Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 6:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze dusty chalk said: >That's nothing -- have you heard Stomu Yamashta's Go Too?!? Him >with Al Di Meola (if you know who that is). Never has there been >a more disparate pairing. What's funniest about that pairing is >that they both kind of stuck to their own styles, so there's space >music right next to fusion jazz. I don't think they knew what to >make of each other. with my own music, i happen to vacillate between playing jazz/funk/blues on Hammond organ (i used to collect them) with a drummer and a guitarist ... and being a robert fripp/klaus schulze tribute act. i've always tried to reach for the 'other side' when i'm in one idiom or another. in fact, while in the shower today i heard an arrangement of 'Stratosfear' which sounded like a 1980 Groove Holmes album. i think i'm going to try that. i swear to god it will sound groovy as sin! >Okay, maybe that one with Michael Shrieve and ...erm... someone >else (looks it up)...oh, yeah! Kevin Shrieve..._Transfer Station >Blue_...that's another odd -- albeit good -- one. don't forget Bass Player Magazine's Bass Player Of The Year for ten years' running, Will Lee, is on that album. haha. ... i laugh but only because i reallly do love that album. it's what smooth jazz _should_ be. that album is definitely the first album i heard that demonstrated to me that i am doing _nothing_ original and that i'll never be able to top the masters. i may however, carve my own niche someday. >I think I have more Klaus Schulze CD's than by any other artist, >including Tangerine Dream. Maybe Pete Namlook. Maybe Bill Las