From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] boot [ bilbao , spain 1976 ]
Hi ALFT!
I hope my pacakge arrived safely.
Please let me know if you have mailed the Tangerine Dream CD-Rs.
Where you going to include the remastered CD-Rs and the originals too?
Thank you,
Vic Rek
13010 Crabapple Lake Drive
Roswell Georgia 30076-4261
USA
From:
'Bennett'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] A Dream Come True MP3
Rather than a MP3 tree, Could we post MP3 files for download somewhere?
Or even disk images of audio disks if we had the room. Can we temporarly
buy space on tadream site?
This saves postage, CD-ROM issues, etc.
Maybe one big zip file and use a program that allows you to download very
large data in multiple sessions if necessary, something like the real
download or the MicroSoft equalivant.
I would rather download overnight than deal with snail mail and money
issues...
--Bennett
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:14
am
Subject: Haslinger - Crazy/Beautiful
I just picked up a soundtrack titled 'Crazy/Beautiful' on the German Edel
label 0130962HWR.
The curiosity here is that track 16 'I Want to Believe You' is written and
produced by Lori Carson and Paul Haslinger.
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] boot [ bilbao , spain 1976 ]
Sorry guys and gals for my embassing reply that was intended off list. Now
the whole world knows :-)
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: [goblinsclub] TD related CD rarity or not?
I guess this CD can be considered scarce.
I know of a few collectors that have this but it rarely pops up for sale.
There is also another Greek sampler with 'Virtually Fields' titled AUTO
CD-2, which is a similar title to 'Audio CD-22' CD which is reference below.
> i am kostas from greece and this has got its way to my hands and i am
> wondering if it is a TD-rarity or not
>
> i have made some scans of it so as to check em the adress the jpg are is
the
> folllowing
>
> it is a cd provided by a greek magazine named AUDIO in July 1996
>
> http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/cover.jpg
> http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/backcover.jpg
> http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/front.jpg
> http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/back.jpg
>
> it contains one Td track [the last one in the CD as a bonus track] and it
is
> virtyally fields from DM I
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:46
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1198
I know it's stating the obvious but PLEASE everyone... let's treat this
project with respect, be thankful for such a marvelous opportunity, and
don't be that one individual who will spoil it for the rest of us
BIGTIME.
Okay, that's it, back to sleep now...
Roger Hartopp
Thank You- Everyone please reread this and give thanks Heiko has even
tried to pull off this project and not just thrown in the towel out of
frustration at such bickering.
Just my 2 cents worth
DPH
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:56
am
Subject: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'?
The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first broadcast on
WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day?
In 1982, Virgin released a 12 inch vinyl single in Germany (600 651-213)
containing 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', 'Flock', 'Katja', and 'Speed'. Was the
name of this 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen', or was the word 'Tatort' also
in the name?
Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the same name'?
Here is what I have for 'Tatort':
From 'Kassensturz' episode [?? ??? 1976]
- -unknown tune?-
From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
- 'Flock'
From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
- 'Katja'
From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
- 'Speed'
From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982]
- 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe'
From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983]
- 'Daydream'
- 'Moorland'
From 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode [?? ??? 1991]
- 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You'
- 'One Night In Medina'
Can you help eliminate some of the question marks (?) above?
Are there any other episodes of 'Tatort' that had TD music?
All help is appreciated.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
A few of your questions might be answered at the following address:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/singles/webpages/madchen.html
By the way, you're forgetting the episode called 'Heisser Schnee' which was
probably broadcast in 1983 or 1984. As for the 4 tracks on the 12 inch maxi
single, I think it's likely that all the tracks were used for the same
episode.
Paul
----------
>De : Mark Filipak
>À : Tadream
>Objet : [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
>Date : Dim 20 jan 2002 11:56
>
> Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'?
>
> The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first broadcast on
> WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day?
>
> In 1982, Virgin released a 12 inch vinyl single in Germany (600 651-213)
> containing 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', 'Flock', 'Katja', and 'Speed'. Was
> the name of this 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen', or was the word
> 'Tatort' also in the name?
>
> Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the same name'?
>
> Here is what I have for 'Tatort':
>
> From 'Kassensturz' episode [?? ??? 1976]
> - -unknown tune?-
> From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> - 'Flock'
> From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> - 'Katja'
> From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> - 'Speed'
> From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982]
> - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe'
> From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983]
> - 'Daydream'
> - 'Moorland'
> From 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode [?? ??? 1991]
> - 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You'
> - 'One Night In Medina'
>
> Can you help eliminate some of the question marks (?) above?
>
> Are there any other episodes of 'Tatort' that had TD music?
>
> All help is appreciated.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 1:58
pm
Subject: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
I have a question about the bootleg 'Spherical Harmonics'. The back
cover says 'Live in New Haven 9/9/88' but searching the web I've found a
few sites of tadream members where this boot is listed as Boston 6/9/88.
Does anyone know for sure if 'Spherical Harmonics' is from Boston
(Somerville) or New Haven? Anyone from this list was preset at any of
those shows?
Antonio
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
I wrote:
>
> Anyone from this list was preset at any of those shows?
Oops, I mean present, not preset :-)
Antonio
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour)
so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:59 AM
> To: tadream
> Subject: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
>
>
> I have a question about the bootleg 'Spherical Harmonics'. The back
> cover says 'Live in New Haven 9/9/88' but searching the web I've found a
> few sites of tadream members where this boot is listed as Boston 6/9/88.
> Does anyone know for sure if 'Spherical Harmonics' is from Boston
> (Somerville) or New Haven? Anyone from this list was preset at any of
> those shows?
>
> Antonio
>
>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
Sorry...I left out the part about the first 1988 show being in late
August....
The 86 tour did occur during the month of June.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:20 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven
> Sep.9?
>
>
> I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour)
> so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one.
>
> MJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:59 AM
> > To: tadream
> > Subject: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
> >
> >
> > I have a question about the bootleg 'Spherical Harmonics'. The back
> > cover says 'Live in New Haven 9/9/88' but searching the web I've found a
> > few sites of tadream members where this boot is listed as Boston 6/9/88.
> > Does anyone know for sure if 'Spherical Harmonics' is from Boston
> > (Somerville) or New Haven? Anyone from this list was preset at any of
> > those shows?
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> >
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
Michael A Jean wrote:
>
> I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour)
> so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one.
Sept 6 or Sept 9? All sites I've visited and also Scott's book agree in
that there was a show in Boston, Somerville on Sept 6, and a show in New
Haven on Sept 9. My question is, which of these shows is 'Spherical
Harmonics' from?
Antonio
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
I believe that 'Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2' are the show at the Palace Theater,
New Haven on 9 Sep 88. The 6 Sep 88 Somerville/Boston show is on the boot 'At
the Mountains of Madness'.
Cioa -- Mark
Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
> Michael A Jean wrote:
> >
> > I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour)
> > so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one.
>
> Sept 6 or Sept 9? All sites I've visited and also Scott's book agree in
> that there was a show in Boston, Somerville on Sept 6, and a show in New
> Haven on Sept 9. My question is, which of these shows is 'Spherical
> Harmonics' from?
>
> Antonio
>
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From:
'Thomas Bertilsson'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Rubycon SACD
Hi everyone,
I don't know where this thread lead, since I havn't had the time to read the
digests in a couple of weeks. But, I did purchase the SACD and wanted to
share what I heard when I listened to it.
First of all, it will blow the socks off of any other CD release of Rubycon
out there. It is so superior that it's stupid. I quote what's written on the
extra booklet included: 'The CD was a good idea'.
But this is so much better. They solved every problem CD ever had with
resolution and extended frequency response (theoretically) to 100 kHz from
20 kHz. This means that practically you can make full use of the frequency
response of old analog master tapes, just like the vinyl record.
In my opinion vinyl still sounds more punchy, relaxed and more natural in
detail than what SACD and especially CD does. But with this new format
digital is moving closer. Not quite there yet though, but as an audiophile,
I could easily live happily with the sound of SACD for the rest of my life.
To get the full range of the SACD you need a dedicated player, but the
beauty is that they are backwards compatible with all CD players too, and
the first layer (out of two) contains that information, while all the audio
information for SACD is hidden in the layer beyond.
Good news is that there are some SACD players out there now for around $300.
I havn't heard those players, the one I heard was more expensive, about
$1200. These will of course play normal CD's too. Upcoming are also machines
that will be multiplayers accepting CD, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-Audio and, of
course, SACD. Both multichannel and two channel. A dream come true in this
war of different standards.
If you want to go the cheaper way, just buy a good turntable though. In my
opinion, it still sounds better than any of the above. And the records are
cheap.
Thomas
St.Paul, MN
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From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:31
am
Subject: Ashra Belle Alliance.
Hello, in case someone maybe interested, I'm listing Belle Alliance at
half.com for 29.99 on CD, it's a very rare Ashra album these days. Sorry to
spam if you consider this to be.
Martyn C.
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From:
KMJ
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 6:51
am
Subject: 1976 Show/Venue Question
I have a double disc set simply entitled 'Virtual Files 76-08'. Could
someone please tell me where this was recorded and better yet, is there
artwork available?
Please contact me off-list if you can help.
Thanks,
Kevin
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From:
'Yensen, Stephen'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:34
am
Subject: Re: boot [ bilbao , spain 1976 ]
Vic sez:
>Sorry guys and gals for my embassing reply that was intended
>off list. Now the whole world knows :-)
Okay, let's send the guy a postcard! When's ya birthday, Vic?
Cheers,
Steve
- --
The wages of sin are death - but the wages here are worse.
From:
'syensen'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:45
am
Subject: [tree] Thanks Heiko!
My feelings entirely!
I'm sure everybody wants to thank Heiko for his hard work but hasn't
said so yet!
THANK YOU HEIKO! I can't wait to hear the music!
Also I'd like to thank everyone else who is contributing to the
distribution, cover designs and generally giving their time and
enthusiasm for this very worthwhile project ...
Cheers,
Steve
--- In tadream@y..., 'Daniel Hobrecht' wrote:
>
> I know it's stating the obvious but PLEASE everyone... let's treat
this
> project with respect, be thankful for such a marvelous opportunity,
and
> don't be that one individual who will spoil it for the rest of us
> BIGTIME.
>
> Okay, that's it, back to sleep now...
> Roger Hartopp
>
> Thank You- Everyone please reread this and give thanks Heiko has
even
> tried to pull off this project and not just thrown in the towel out
of
> frustration at such bickering.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth
> DPH
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list
> I'm sure everybody wants to thank Heiko for his hard work but hasn't
> said so yet!
>
> THANK YOU HEIKO! I can't wait to hear the music!
aaahh...what a nice email on a dull Monday morning :-)
To be honest, I never thought that my idea would raise so much
excitement/confusion/discussion (please choose what you think fits best for
you ;-) Now I can only hope that I will meet the expectations of those who
are in the 'tree'.
I now have a list of concerts for the first batch which is pretty much set in
stone, but it's not already confirmed. What's sure is that the first batch
will consist of 10 cdr's.
Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08 November 1976 (remastered 1st generation,
incl. adjusted tape speed version (sp?) of the encore, taken from the
'Collected endings' cd)
Volume 2: Sheffield City Hall 29 October 1974 (remastered low generation)
Volume 3: Bernau St.-Marien-Kirche 07 October 2001 (MD master recording)
Volume 4: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, main set on 2 CDRs (DAT
master)
Volume 5: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, encores + excerpts of press
conference + 'brigde medley'
Volume 6: Bilbao Pabellón de la Casilla 31 January 1976, on 2 CDRs
(remastered 1st gen.)
Volume 7: Croydon Fairfield Hall 23 October 1975 (remastered 1st gen.)
Volume 8: Berlin Philharmonie 27 June 1976 (remastered FM broadcast, low
gen.)
for the branches & leaves this means that everyone who wants to copy in
redbook format (recordable CD) will need the following:
-two 80 minute CDRs (Bernau 2001 & Nottingham 76 will have a length of ca. 78
minutes)
-eight 74 minute CDRs
-two double jewel cases
-eight single jewel cases
> Also I'd like to thank everyone else who is contributing to the
> distribution, cover designs and generally giving their time and
> enthusiasm for this very worthwhile project ...
how true! without their help the tree would not have been possible.
Regards
Heiko
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:46
am
Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9?
>I believe that 'Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2' are the show at the Palace
>Theater, New Haven on 9 Sep 88. The 6 Sep 88 Somerville/Boston show is
>on the boot 'At the Mountains of Madness'
Sph.Harmonics is from a soundboard tape of Boston 6.9.88, but from
a high generation copy and missing the last encore.
AtMoM is the same, but used a complete, low gen. tape.
best regards,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:04
am
Subject: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
>Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'?
Crime Scene
>The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first
>broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day?
Nyet. Produced by WDR, a regional 'division' of ARD.
First aired on ARD 27.6.82
>Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the
same >name'?
Das Maedchen auf der Treppe -
The melody (soundtrack) from the Tatort episode with the same name.
logical, isn't it ;-)
> From 'Kassensturz' episode [?? ??? 1976]
> - -unknown tune?-
15.2.76 , Rubicon or Ricochet, I forgot.
> From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> - 'Flock'
> From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> - 'Katja'
> From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> - 'Speed'
> From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982]
> - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe'
all from 'Das Mädchen'.
> From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983]
> - 'Daydream'
> - 'Moorland'
2.4.83
> From 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode [?? ??? 1991]
> - 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You'
> - 'One Night In Medina'
9.6.91
>Can you help eliminate some of the question marks (?) above?
Whatever significance the day of first broadcast may
have, here you've got it...
>Are there any other episodes of 'Tatort' that had TD music?
Heisser Schnee, 9.9.84, Hyperborea
best regards,
klaus
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:11
am
Subject: 'Tyger'
Hello. To those who have request a look at my chronology, I'm not ignoring you
forever. Honest.
Would you all look at these two entries. Do you have a contribution on a
version of 'Tyger' I missed? Especially, do you know about the French release
on the Wotre label? -- search for the question marks (?). How about other
releases I missed altogether?
Thank you for your help. -- Mark
________________________________________________________________________
Tyger [Feb 87] - EF+CF+PH
1 Tyger 5 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.2
(vocal intro) [0:31] [2:52]
(main vocal) [3:35] 6 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.3
(chorus to fade) [1:26] [6:16]
(three chords) [0:16] 7 Smile [6:12] (vocal)
2 London-The Dungeon [8:09] (voc.) 8 21st Century Common Man Pt.1
(bridge) [1:33] [4:49]
3 London-Rotton Row Patriot [4:43] 9 21st Century Common Man Pt.2
4 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.1 [4:02]
[3:16] 10 Tyger [4:26] %1 (main vocal
_______ plus chorus with early fade)
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Key: % excerpt.
Actual times: 1-9 from Caroline, CD 1341; 10 from Jive, T 143.
All vocals by Jocelyn Bernadette Smith.
Also see: Tyger, 1992 reworks & additions [??? 92]
_________
__/ Artwork \_________________________________________________________
Cover: Bright blue, bearing TD's circular logo.
__________________
__/ Recordings - AAA \________________________________________________
7' - Segs 9/10 as '21st Century Common Man'/'Tyger'
[1987] Jive (GB) 143 [1987] Jive/Zomba (DE) 6.14856 AC
[1987] Jive/Weesp (NL) 145.326
12' - Segs 1/9,10 as 'Tyger'
[1987] Jive (GB) T 143 [1987] Jive/Zomba (DE) 6.20791 AE
LP-2 - Segs 1,2+3/4+5+6,7 (4 tracks) as 'Tyger'
[1987] Jive (CA,GB) HIP 47 [1987] Jive/CBS (IL) HIP 47-1
[1987] Caroline/Mortal (US) 1341 [1987] Jive/Messaggeri Musicali
[1987] Jive/Teldec (DE) (IT) ZL 71511
C-6.26 475 [1987] Jive (GR) 40021
[1987] Jive/Teldec (DE) 6.26 478 [1988] Jive/Alfa (JP) ALI-28084
[1987] Jive (NL) 656.093
MC - Segs 1,2+3/4+5+6,7 (4 tracks) as 'Tyger'
[1987] Jive (CA,GB) HIPC 47 [1987] Jive (NL) 856.093
[1987] Caroline/Mortal (US) [1987] Jive/Messaggeri Musicali
MC 1341 (IT) ZK 71511
[1987] Jive/Teldec (DE) 4.26 475 [1997] Metal Mind (PL) CAST 0026
__________________
__/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________
CD - Segs 1,2+3,4+5+6,7,8+9 (5 tracks) as 'Tyger'
[1987] Jive (GB) CHIP 47 [1987] Jive (NL) 100.097
[1987] Jive/Teldec [1988] Jive/Alfa
(DE) 8.26475 ZP (JP) ALFA 32XB-224
CD - Segs 1,2+3,4+5+6,7-9 (6 tracks, track 6 not labeled) as 'Tyger'
[1987] Caroline (US/AT) CD 1341 (Notice: CDs spindle marked 'MADE BY
KOCH 031.113.000.006.9 CDM02' are mislabeled discs and are not TD!)
__________________
__/ Recordings - ??D \________________________________________________
CD - Segs ? as 'Tyger' (unknown cover)
[19??] Wotre (FR?) -catalog#?- (does this exist?)
________________________________________________________________________
Tyger, 1992 reworks & additions [??? 92] - EF+JF
1 Tyger @&+ (sped up, echo added 4 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.1
to vocal, prominent back-beat [2:55] @% (cut intro, sped up)
percussion and wood block 5 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.2
overdubs throughout) [2:52]
(instrumental intro) [0:29] ! 6 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.3
(main vocal) [3:19] @&+ [6:16]
(chorus to fade) [1:25] @&+ 7 Smile (1992) [5:54] @ (sped up)
2 London-The Dungeon [8:09] (voc.) 8 21st Century Common Man Pt.1
(bridge) [1:33] [4:49]
3 London-Rotton Row Patriot [4:43] 9 21st Century Common Man Pt.2
+ (brighter hi-hat in parts) [4:02] @ (slightly slower)
_______ 10 Vigour [4:56] *
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Key: @ edit, % excerpt, & remix, + overdub, ! reperformance,
* previously unreleased. Also see original versions: Tyger [Feb 87].
Actual times: 1-10 fr Relativity, 88561-1055-2.
More prominent percussion distinguishes all 1992 reworks. Percussion
overdubs in 1 are very pronounced. Most fans who stated a preference
prefer the original version. Though they are fine, when compared to
the originals the sped up vocals sound more like Whitney Houston.
_________
__/ Artwork \_________________________________________________________
Cover: Rendering of half of a tiger's face in yellow+brown+white.
__________________
__/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________
CD - Tracks 1,2+3,4+5+6,7-10 (7 tracks) as 'Tyger'
[1992] Rel. (US) 88561-1055-2 [1996] Sequel (US) 1048-2
[1996] Ess. (GB) ESM 367
________________________________________________________________________
From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:31
am
Subject: Newbei
Hello to all Tangerine Dreamers
I'm a new member of the PALLAS Mailinglist.
At first, don't worry about my english, beacuse it's a long time ago that I
have the chance to communicate in english.
About the statement
The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first
>broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day?
I'm not sure if the single released for the German Tatort the same as
'Whtie Eagle' from the album the same name ?
Mit freundlichem Grüßen
Edgar Rainer Berberich
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbei
Welcome! The weather is fine here. And your English is just fine too. Yes, 'Das
Mädchen' and 'White Eagle' are kissing cousins.
Ebenso mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Mark
(How did I do?)
edgar-rainer.berberich@g... wrote:
>
> Hello to all Tangerine Dreamers
>
> I'm a new member of the PALLAS Mailinglist.
> At first, don't worry about my english, beacuse it's a long time ago that I
> have the chance to communicate in english.
>
> About the statement
>
> The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first
> >broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day?
>
> I'm not sure if the single released for the German Tatort the same as
> 'Whtie Eagle' from the album the same name ?
>
> Mit freundlichem Grüßen
>
> Edgar Rainer Berberich
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbei
> Welcome! The weather is fine here. And your English is just fine too. Yes,
'Das Mädchen' and 'White Eagle' are kissing cousins.
the track which was used for the 'Tatort' episode (& the 7'' and 12'' version)
was a bit different to the original 'White eagle'
album track as it had a steady drum beat. This version hit the German Top Ten
single charts in 1982.
> Ebenso mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Mark
>
> (How did I do?)
whooaah!
From:
TheInfection
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron & good voices
Favourite Mellotron-moments from TD (in chronological
order):
Atem
Rubycon Part 1
Cherokee Lane
Monolight
Coldwater Canyon
Good voices that works everytime for me:
Rubycon Part 1:
That kong-sound in various moments after 6:00.
Monolight:
In the beginning of the third theme you can hear those
dribble-sounds. Can't remeber now the exact time right
now.
Coldwater Canyon:
The sequence is simple but very cool.
NP: Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
At 08:39 18.01.02 , you wrote:
>most likely not. I was more looking for wave. I will take a look and see
>what I can pipe into. I have not bought a sampler yet. I been using the
>computer to get by. Was going to buy the Korg simple one. Maybe I better
>review some more before spending.
>Thanks
>
>Administrator for Kay-Net.com
>admin@k...
>661-723-0266
>Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
Hi,
do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin.
It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is much
better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus
it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound
drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
Hi Mark,
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'Tadream'
Sent: 20 January 2002 10:56
Subject: [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
> Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'?
It means 'crime scene'.
> In 1982, Virgin released a 12 inch vinyl single in Germany (600 651-213)
containing 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', 'Flock', 'Katja', and 'Speed'. Was the
name of this 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen', or was the word 'Tatort' also
in the name? Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the
same name'?
'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen' means 'The melody from the thus-named', and
this phrase had the word 'Tatort' added next to it (or underneath?) in some
funny designer font. What the whole phrase therefore means is 'The melody from
the Tatort [episode] of the same name [Das Maedchen auf der Treppe]'.
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:59
pm
Subject: Re: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort?
--- In tadream@y..., Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> >Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'?
> Crime Scene
>
> > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> > - 'Flock'
> > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> > - 'Katja'
> > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????]
> > - 'Speed'
> > From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982]
> > - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe'
>
> all from 'Das Mädchen'
Just to add, the 4 tunes were indeed used in the TV-movie, but they
were slightly different from the ones available on the 12', i.e. they
were a bit remixed. Also, the TV-movie featured additional TD music
that had already been released, specifically there were 2 tracks from
EXIT to be heard, so in total the movie featured 6 TD tracks and a
few short TD-made music 'effects' snippets of a few seconds length.
>
> > From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983]
> > - 'Daydream'
> > - 'Moorland'
>
> 2.4.83
This must be wrong, as 2.4.83 was a Saturday, however all Tatort
movies run either Sunday night or in case of a public holiday, on
Monday night. I also recall having seen the original broadcast and
due to surrounding circumstances I am absolutely sure it was not on a
Saturday.
Regarding the music, again both tracks appeared in a remixed form in
the movie. Especially Moorland was much longer, it sounds like the 7'
version starts many minutes into the song, whereas the TV version had
a long slow intro part, only a few seconds of which can be heard on
the single. Basically, the 'missing' part from the Moorland (7')
exists on the Soundtrack of 'Wavelength'. The version played on the
Tatort show was very similar to the version used in the movie 'The
Keep'.
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question
Kevin did you get a response to this? Is this one I sent you? If so, did I
not send artwork also?
The venue info is:
10/20/76-Stadthalle, Hannover, Germany
If you haven't gotten art yet, let me know and I will send it.
Craig
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KMJ [mailto:jowers@t...]
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:51 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question
>
>
> I have a double disc set simply entitled 'Virtual Files 76-08'. Could
> someone please tell me where this was recorded and better yet, is there
> artwork available?
>
> Please contact me off-list if you can help.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question
The obvious OOPS! Sorry folks...
>
> Kevin did you get a response to this? Is this one I sent you?
> If so, did I
> not send artwork also?
>
> The venue info is:
> 10/20/76-Stadthalle, Hannover, Germany
>
>
> If you haven't gotten art yet, let me know and I will send it.
>
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:17
pm
Subject: The Missing Part of 'Moorland' is on the WAVELENGTH OST
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:59:02 -0000 'richter_arne'
writes:
>[. . .] Basically, the 'missing' part from the Moorland (7')
>exists on the Soundtrack of 'Wavelength'.
Which track?
>[. . .] The version played on the Tatort show was very
>similar to the version used in the movie 'The Keep'.
Hmmm.
-- Steven Feldman ,
webmaster for the Chang Cheh website
at http://changcheh.0catch.com
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question
Hi Kevin,
From the list I have, Virtual Files 76-08 would be the concert at the
Hannover Stadthalle, 20th October 1976, though I hope someone will correct
me if this is wrong. It was the opening date of the 1976 Stratosfear
European tour. No idea about any artwork though, sorry.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: KMJ
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:51 PM
Subject: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question
> I have a double disc set simply entitled 'Virtual Files 76-08'. Could
> someone please tell me where this was recorded and better yet, is there
> artwork available?
>
> Please contact me off-list if you can help.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
From:
KMJ
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:55
pm
Subject: Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question
>From the list I have, Virtual Files 76-08 would be the concert at the
>Hannover Stadthalle, 20th October 1976, though I hope someone will correct
>me if this is wrong. It was the opening date of the 1976 Stratosfear
>European tour. No idea about any artwork though, sorry.
This is the correct date and venue. I had forgotten that Craig sent me the
artwork months ago when we traded.
Having said that, I DO have artwork if anybody is looking for it. Please
contact me off-list.
Thanks also to Chris for the info.
Kevin
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
Thanks Martin.
I will look into it to see if I can do this with what I have.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
To:
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
At 08:39 18.01.02 , you wrote:
>most likely not. I was more looking for wave. I will take a look and see
>what I can pipe into. I have not bought a sampler yet. I been using the
>computer to get by. Was going to buy the Korg simple one. Maybe I better
>review some more before spending.
>Thanks
>
>Administrator for Kay-Net.com
>admin@k...
>661-723-0266
>Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
Hi,
do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin.
It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is much
better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus
it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound
drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
Tom Richmond
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:02
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
Hello everyone:
This is the first call for participation in the Dreamwatchers' Tales II
tree:
Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the following information:
Name
City, State, Country
Preferred status (Branch or Leaf)
Branch - able and willing to make copies for others (please include
how many you can do)
Leaf - unable to do copying for others
Please note that there may be more people requesting branch status than we
need (this happened last time around). These people will then be set up as
leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree.
Once the tree structure is published it is the responsibility of everyone
involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both
parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less than 74 minutes, so
80-minute blanks won't be required.
If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I don't know), Yannick
Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.). He is to be
congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I personally like this
set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well!
I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups. I'd like to have
a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take sign-ups until
February 15th.
If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask!
Cheers!
Tom Richmond
Menomonee Falls, WI
trichmond@b...
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From:
'bigstupidgeek'
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:53
pm
Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
Most excellent news! And here is the rest of the info, including
tracklistings and artwork:
http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
To be clear, this is a separate tree from the current tree project,
which, BTW, looks like it will be named 'Marmalade Skies', judging
from the current poll results, which I should conclude tomorrow. If
you want to cast your last-minute vote for a different (or same)
name, go here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls
Joe
P.S. I HIGHLY recommend participating in the DT2 tree; DT1 is awesome!
np: Dreamwatcher's Tales 1: FSP- Faraday (Marcel Engels)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...]
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:02 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com';
> 'beyond_em@yahoogroups.com'; 'electronicmusic@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the
> Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
>
>
> Hello everyone:
>
> This is the first call for participation in the
> Dreamwatchers' Tales II
> tree:
>
> Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the following
> information:
>
> Name
> City, State, Country
> Preferred status (Branch or Leaf)
> Branch - able and willing to make copies for others
> (please include
> how many you can do)
> Leaf - unable to do copying for others
From:
'Eric Williamson'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:07
am
Subject: Christopher Franke spotted at NAMM ...
and he's playing a _real_modular_synthesiser_, too!
http://www.synthtech.com/namm/ ... is the directory.
http://www.synthtech.com/namm/c_franke.jpg ... is the photo.
to his right is (i believe) ambient muso Robert Rich, a strong proponent of the
MOTM modular synthesiser.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:23
am
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II - Visions of the Watchgirl
Hi everyone
The new Dreamwatchers' Tales project is now complete.
Tom Richmond is ready to manage the tree (see message posted earlier or
contact TRichmond@b...)
It's again a double CDR product.
The artwork and design is currently for a CD case but in february a DVD case
design will be available.
All artworks (and ifnos) can be seen on Joe Shoults' www.tadream.net website
and the high resolution JPG files are available for download through Fred
Yargui's website (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y).
Here are the track listing and credits.
DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - FABLE II - Visions of the Watchgirl
Disc 1
1- Dreamwatchers 'Fable' (Darklion) copyright Mirage Créations
2- Gille Hemery 'Contact' (G.Hemery) copyright G. Hemery
3- Pergamon Vs Bondee System 'Cloud of the Unknowing' (Pergamon - Bondee
System) copyright Bondee System/Pergamon
4- Olivier Briand 'Gladiators' (O. Briand) copyright O. Briand
5- Darklion 'Battlefield' (Darklion) copyright Mirage Créations
6- Nightbirds 'Electric Post-Rock Ensemble' (Modular R.V. - Blue Desk)
copyright Nightbirds Music
7- Paul Ellis & Nemesis 'Untitled' (P. Ellis - A. Hassinen - J. Kastman)
copyright Ellis/Nemesis
8- James Owens 'Leonids' (J. Owens) copyright J. Owens
Disc 2
1- Gustavo Jobim 'Drifting' (G. Jobim) copyright G. Jobim
2- Ionic 'Drafting the Comet V & VI' (J. Salyers - P. Zimmermann - C.
Steulet) copyright Ionic
3- Olyam 'Parisian Greetings' (Olyam) copyright Olyam Music Prod.
4- Döktor Strange 'Red Ants Love Migration Freq' (Dr. Strange) copyright
Sensorial Recordings
5- Dave Brewer 'Dreamcatcher' (D. Brewer) copyright D. Brewer
6- Darklion & Olyam 'The Spacestation' (Darklion - Olyam) copyright Mirage
Création/Olyam Music Prod
7- Mark Jenkins 'The Stealing of the Five Thousands' (M. Jenkins) copyright
AMP Records
8- Fred Yargui ' Virage Bleu' (F. Yargui) copyright F. Yargui
9- Darklion & Olyam 'Im Memoriam' (Darklion - Olyam) copyright Mirage
Créations/Olyam Music Prod
Exclusive DTS track. Dedicated to all victims of the World Trade Center, New
York (USA) and the AZF Blast in Toulouse (FRANCE).
Project Management : Darklion
Management Assistant : Yannick Edom
Audio Mastering, Processing, Visual Concept & Design by Darklion
All Artworks by Yannick Ediom
Inner Sleeve text by Darklion, Océane Brenan and Marine Brenan
C 2002 Mirage Créations, P 2002 TML Music
-------------------------
Just a quick note :
'Im memoriam' is a DTS track and can only be heard with a proper
installation. A player (CD or LD or DVD) with a digital output connected to
a home theater amplifer (Dolby AC and DTS) is needed.
But a complete real audio version will be soon online in the Olyam website
( www.olyam.com )
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
'syensen'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:23
am
Subject: Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list
WOW! This gets better every day!
Thanks once again!
I have a tape of this but a CD sounds like heaven ...
Cheers,
Steve in Nottingham, England
(who was there at the concert and totally blown away)
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08 November 1976 (remastered 1st
generation,
> incl. adjusted tape speed version (sp?) of the encore, taken from
the
> 'Collected endings' cd)
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Haslinger - Crazy/Beautiful
Not too odd, since the score for Crazy Beautiful is by Paul Haslinger!
I'm guessing the 'soundtrack' is actually a collection of songs briefly
displayed in the film. 'I Want to Believe You' was probably
written FOR the film, which would likely have Haslinger involved in some
way, since it's probably based on an instrumental cue from the film.
Crazy/Beautiful was a 2001 film, so maybe we'll see a
score released soon...
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
>
> I just picked up a soundtrack titled 'Crazy/Beautiful' on the
> German Edel
> label 0130962HWR.
> The curiosity here is that track 16 'I Want to Believe You'
> is written and
> produced by Lori Carson and Paul Haslinger.
From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:14
pm
Subject: Tatort info
For those seeking info on Tatort, check out www.tatort-archiv.de. It's all
in German, though, and there is nothing on the music, at least that I could
find.
Scott
From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: TD model car
For the TD collector who has everything:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1691298543
Scott
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:18:50 +0100
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> Subject: Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list
>
> > I'm sure everybody wants to thank Heiko for his hard work but hasn't
> > said so yet!
I second that - so let me join that list of people who want to say - Heiko,
THANK YOU!
> > THANK YOU HEIKO! I can't wait to hear the music!
>
> aaahh...what a nice email on a dull Monday morning :-)
> To be honest, I never thought that my idea would raise so much
> excitement/confusion/discussion (please choose what you think fits best
for
> you ;-) Now I can only hope that I will meet the expectations of those
who
> are in the 'tree'.
I don't think you have any worries there...
>
> I now have a list of concerts for the first batch which is pretty much set
in
> stone, but it's not already confirmed. What's sure is that the first batch
> will consist of 10 cdr's.
>
> Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08 November 1976 (remastered 1st
generation,
> incl. adjusted tape speed version (sp?) of the encore, taken from the
> 'Collected endings' cd)
> Volume 2: Sheffield City Hall 29 October 1974 (remastered low generation)
> Volume 3: Bernau St.-Marien-Kirche 07 October 2001 (MD master recording)
(psss, Heiko... I presume that's the version I have?)
> Volume 4: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, main set on 2 CDRs (DAT
> master)
> Volume 5: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, encores + excerpts of
press
> conference + 'brigde medley'
Actually, this Warsaw set could be packaged as a three disc set in a double
jewel case. And for those designing the cover... how about adding my
detailed review of the concert as additional sleeve notes so one could have
a little booklet inside the case? I only need to change one or two things to
the review, just primarily to add information (and maybe be a bit kinder to
Jerome's physical appearence!). It'll probably end up as a booklet of about
twelve pages. It's an idea, so if any of the sleeve designers are
interested, let me know off-list.
Actually, taking this even further... how about all those who were THERE at
the various concerts. Perhaps they would like to write sleeve notes?
> Volume 6: Bilbao Pabellón de la Casilla 31 January 1976, on 2 CDRs
> (remastered 1st gen.)
> Volume 7: Croydon Fairfield Hall 23 October 1975 (remastered 1st gen.)
> Volume 8: Berlin Philharmonie 27 June 1976 (remastered FM broadcast, low
> gen.)
>
> for the branches & leaves this means that everyone who wants to copy in
> redbook format (recordable CD) will need the following:
> -two 80 minute CDRs (Bernau 2001 & Nottingham 76 will have a length of ca.
78
> minutes)
> -eight 74 minute CDRs
> -two double jewel cases
> -eight single jewel cases
>
> > Also I'd like to thank everyone else who is contributing to the
> > distribution, cover designs and generally giving their time and
> > enthusiasm for this very worthwhile project ...
>
> how true! without their help the tree would not have been possible.
>
> Regards
> Heiko
I look forward to the collection... and if all goes well, the rest to
follow!
Regards
Roger Hartopp
--
Placisz raz - uzywasz caly czas!
http://www.onetmail.onet.pl/oferta
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:23
am
Subject: KS 'Cyborg'
Does anyone on the list have the original Klaus Schulze 'Cyborg' 2-CD set
and a good quality scanner? I recently purchased the reissue of it that came
in one of those horrible cardboard foldover packages -- and one of the disc
retaining claws has already broken off the tray that houses disc two. My
experience has been that, once that happens, it's only a matter of time
before the whole thing disintegrates. Replacing the tray is probably going
to wreck it. Besides I'm always worried that I'm going to scratch CDs when I
attempt to remove them, because the trays seem to have a much lower profile
than those in the jewel cases.
What I'd like to do it transfer the discs over to a standard 2-CD jewel
case, but I'd really like files of the scanned artwork so I can do a nice
job -- front page, any notes inside and the rear panel/spine info included
as well. I'll print them myself.
Thanks in advance.
From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:55
am
Subject: NEW ASHRA CD`s arrived
Hi all,
today (22-Jan-2002) I received the both new Ashra Releases and a little
surprise. do you want more, please jump to:
www.tribute-to-ashra.de , thankx for your visit. Also on my page , a direct
link for your order .
And dont forget to sign in my GUESTBOOK:
regards
heiko
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
Martin
Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where
I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding
it.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
> Thanks Martin.
> I will look into it to see if I can do this with what I have.
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
>
>
> At 08:39 18.01.02 , you wrote:
> >most likely not. I was more looking for wave. I will take a look and see
> >what I can pipe into. I have not bought a sampler yet. I been using the
> >computer to get by. Was going to buy the Korg simple one. Maybe I better
> >review some more before spending.
> >Thanks
> >
> >Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> >admin@k...
> >661-723-0266
> >Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin.
> It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is
much
> better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus
> it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound
> drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-)
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> www.tdimusic.com
>
> Have a nice day!
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: mellotron
I do use Cubasis VST, which came as a fantastic and precioussss bonus with
my SBlive plat.5.1, so I got Very Interested in this too. I'd also like to
know where I can find this plugin.
> Martin
> Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where
> I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding
> it.
>
> Dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Hi,
>>
>> do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin.
>> It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is
> much
>> better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus
>> it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound
>> drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-)
>> Best regards,
>>Martin Kasprzak
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:35
pm
Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
Most excellent news! I've been looking forward to this for a long time,
since I recorded my contribution for DWT2, which is probably one of the best
pieces I've ever made! And I'm glad it's included on the set.
I could be a branch, but I can only make 1 copy. My address is:
Gustavo Jobim
R. Fabio da Luz, 393 / BL.1 / 101
Meier - Rio de Janeiro - RJ
20720-350
Brazil
> Hello everyone:
>
> This is the first call for participation in the Dreamwatchers' Tales II
> tree:
>
> Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the following information:
>
> Name
> City, State, Country
> Preferred status (Branch or Leaf)
> Branch - able and willing to make copies for others (please include
> how many you can do)
> Leaf - unable to do copying for others
>
> Please note that there may be more people requesting branch status than we
> need (this happened last time around). These people will then be set up as
> leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree.
>
> Once the tree structure is published it is the responsibility of everyone
> involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both
> parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less than 74 minutes, so
> 80-minute blanks won't be required.
>
> If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I don't know), Yannick
> Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.). He is to be
> congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I personally like this
> set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well!
>
> I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups. I'd like to have
> a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take sign-ups until
> February 15th.
>
> If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Tom Richmond
> Menomonee Falls, WI
> trichmond@b...
From:
'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
At 23:28 22.01.02 , you wrote:
>Martin
>Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where
>I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding
>it.
>
>Dale
>
Hi Dale,
try the following link...
http://www.gmedia.com/gforce/m-tron/index.html
to Gustavo´s request - I don´t use Cubasis (I use the full Cubase VST 32
5.11 setup) but I think that it may not support plugin instruments. If it
does... then M-Tron´s for you.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:52
pm
Subject: tour personnel
Including Royal Albert Hall? Didn't know that. What about the other
European shows after that one? There were more tour dates if I'm not
mistaken. I remember having a low quality concert-tape, said to be from
Germany, April '75. Was Baumann back by then or when did he return to the
group?
/Olle
NP: TD - Bilbao 76
>From: 'Owens, James'
>One correction: Australia 1975 (including Royal Albert Hall, UK) lineup:
>Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Michael Hoenig. (Peter took off to Tibet...)
> -----Original Message-----
> Tour personnel from 1974-1977 was Edgar Froese, Peter
> Baumann, Chris Franke.
>
> Tour personnel for 1978 was Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Steve
> Joliffe,
> Klaus Krieger (I think).
>
> Tour personnel for 1980-1984 was Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Johannes
> Schmoelling.
>
> Tour personnel for 1986-1987(?) was Edgar Froese, Chris
> Franke, Paul Haslinger
From:
'olovur2'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:56
pm
Subject: Re: KS interview 1
Thanks David for the KS interview. Only got around to read it now and
it was interesting. I'm a bit surprised by the downplaying of Body
Love though. It is one of those, rather few, Schulze albums that is
enjoyable all the way, whereas standard practice seems to be; one
good track and one not so good track. If he did Body Love without
the 'engagement' he had in the other 70's albums I would love to see
him less engaged, generally speaking.
What was/is this Face Out anyway?
/Olle
--- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote:
> OK This comes from a letter interview in Face Out 4, an electronic
>fanzine from about March 1979. All credit to those that made it.
>The contents are relevant to the posts that are appearing now. If
>you don't want to read it just delete.
From:
'kcasarsa'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:23
am
Subject: Cancelled tour
(Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm new to the group ...)
In December, the Buffalo, N.Y., venue where I was supposed to see
Tangerine Dream posted a message on their website stating that the
cancellation notice they received from the band said that TD's
management went bankrupt and that's why the tour was called off.
Anybody else hear/read the s
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:18
pm
Subject: items for sale
Hi,
I have following items for sale, all prices are in US $ and without shipping
costs: all items in mint condition
- Kraftwerk - Electric Cafe (english version) / Tape / EMI 264 2406444 / US $ 3
- Software - Electronic Universe / Tape / KS 80.055/56 / US $ 2
- V./A. - Erdenklang Music Vol. III / CD / Erdenklang 28572 / US §$ 3
- Elektric Music - Esperanto / CD / with Promo sheet / SPV 084-92832 / US $ 10
- Tangerine Dream - Poland-The Warsaw Concert / CD / Castle Com. ESM CD 365 /
UK 1996 / US $ 7
- V./A. - Four the truth / CD / Groove GR 012 / with Ron Boots/Ian Boddy/M.
Schoenwaelder ... / US $ 6
- V./A. - GoldTri Vol. 1 / 2CD / Stonk Cd01/02 / withAsana, FSP, AirSculpture,
Under the Dome, RAMP, Keller-Schoenwaelder ... / US $ 12
- You - Electric day / CD / CUE-4001 / US $ 7
If you are interested in, please contact me off-list.
Regards
heiko
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
Bestellen Sie hier Ihre kostenlose head & shoulders Produktprobe -
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/ppc?109446C254962016
D2 Vodafone CallYa -
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cancelled tour
Welcome! You can go to http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/firstright.html to read
what TDI has to say. -- Mark
kcasarsa wrote:
>
> (Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm new to the group ...)
>
> In December, the Buffalo, N.Y., venue where I was supposed to see
> Tangerine Dream posted a message on their website stating that the
> cancellation notice they received from the band said that TD's
> management went bankrupt and that's why the tour was called off.
> Anybody else hear/read the s
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:38
pm
Subject: sheet music
I finally ran across what Dale had been asking for, the sheet music pdfs!
it was a dead link on the tadream.net main page. anyway in case you had
looked for them, they are there now.
http://www.tadream.net/pdf
Alchemy of the Heart (piano coda).pdf 185 KB
Big Sur Romance.pdf 365 KB
Cinammon Road.pdf 662 KB
In Julia's Eyes.pdf 216 KB
Logos Part One (final section).pdf 1.1 MB
Love on a Real Train.pdf 554 KB
Song of the Whale Part Two (piano intro).pdf 418 KB
Streethawk.pdf 522 KB
The Big Sleep in Search of Hades.pdf 656 KB
Vermillion Sands.pdf 496 KB
Warsaw in the Sun.pdf 546 KB
White Clouds.pdf 397 KB
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] tour personnel
My understanding is that the April 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall show was
sort of a finale to the Australia tour. Baumann had returned by the time
they
played Orange, France (August), and was present for the October UK tour.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...]
>
> Including Royal Albert Hall? Didn't know that. What about the other
> European shows after that one? There were more tour dates if I'm not
> mistaken. I remember having a low quality concert-tape, said
> to be from
> Germany, April '75. Was Baumann back by then or when did he
> return to the
> group?
> >From: 'Owens, James'
>
> >One correction: Australia 1975 (including Royal Albert Hall,
> UK) lineup:
> >Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Michael Hoenig. (Peter took off
> to Tibet...)
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
be sure to direct all your Dreamwatchers' Tales tree signups to Tom Richmond
mailto:trichmond@b...
he may or may not properly receive them here.
I'm listening to a neat flange effect on Gustavo's track from DT2,
'Drifting'. Looking forward to hearing the rest!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:36 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the
> Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
>
>
> Most excellent news! I've been looking forward to this for a
> long time,
> since I recorded my contribution for DWT2, which is probably
> one of the best
> pieces I've ever made! And I'm glad it's included on the set.
>
> I could be a branch, but I can only make 1 copy. My address is:
> Gustavo Jobim
> R. Fabio da Luz, 393 / BL.1 / 101
> Meier - Rio de Janeiro - RJ
> 20720-350
> Brazil
>
> > Hello everyone:
> >
> > This is the first call for participation in the
> Dreamwatchers' Tales II
> > tree:
> >
> > Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the
> following information:
> >
> > Name
> > City, State, Country
> > Preferred status (Branch or Leaf)
> > Branch - able and willing to make copies for others
> (please include
> > how many you can do)
> > Leaf - unable to do copying for others
> >
> > Please note that there may be more people requesting branch
> status than we
> > need (this happened last time around). These people will
> then be set up as
> > leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree.
> >
> > Once the tree structure is published it is the
> responsibility of everyone
> > involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both
> > parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less
> than 74 minutes, so
> > 80-minute blanks won't be required.
> >
> > If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I
> don't know), Yannick
> > Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.).
> He is to be
> > congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I
> personally like this
> > set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well!
> >
> > I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups.
> I'd like to have
> > a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take
> sign-ups until
> > February 15th.
> >
> > If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Tom Richmond
> > Menomonee Falls, WI
> > trichmond@b...
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
This is great Martin! Following the link out, I found a distributor near by
plus additional tapes for the plugin. I will have a wait a few days till I
get my hands on it but I do believe it is going to work out better than the
other idea I was about to try.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron
At 23:28 22.01.02 , you wrote:
>Martin
>Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where
>I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding
>it.
>
>Dale
>
Hi Dale,
try the following link...
http://www.gmedia.com/gforce/m-tron/index.html
to Gustavo´s request - I don´t use Cubasis (I use the full Cubase VST 32
5.11 setup) but I think that it may not support plugin instruments. If it
does... then M-Tron´s for you.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:15
am
Subject: 'Cyborg' artwork
I haven't received any replies to my original request for artwork for KS's
'Cyborg' but I've been online and found a number of sites that specialise in
CD covers -- and the quality of the artwork appears to be excellent. I've
thus managed to download both front and rear artwork (the CD labels were
there as well but I wasn't interested in them) so I won't need anyone to
scan theirs for me.
I was interested to note that the artwork is clearly associated with the
narrow 2-CD jewel case, since the spine information is exactly the same on
both sides of the graphics/track data that appears through the rear of the
case. Other than that, the artwork is identical to that on my cardboard
packaged set and the catalogue number on the spines is obviously the same as
well.
I've included the 'master' URL listing a number of sites where one can
download cover graphics for those interested.
http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Collecting/Compact_Disc/Cover_Ima
ges/
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 4:27
pm
Subject: M-Tron and Nord (OT)
Hi everyone,
I've been away for a while and have missed reading these posts...
FWIW, I highly second Martin's plug for the M-Tron plug.
(www.g-media.com/distributed by QUpArts in the U.S. I believe).
I like this plug a lot and I also like the Nu-Tron soundbank addition and
recommend it. A 'secret' to making it sound 'real' besides playing style is to
treat it the way you would the real thing in terms of processing.
A note to those of us who are on tighter budgets (though this will be slightly
too late for some)... seems like a lot of smaller developers offer really good
discounts on stuff for Christmas. The M-Tron was on special too. I think it
would have cost you as much to get both the M-Tron and the extra soundbanks as
it does normally just to get the M-Tron (if I remember correctly).
Nord...
A while ago I read a post here from John regarding the Nord modular and picked
up a Micro. Wow!!! I mean, wow!!! Thanks, John! I'm saving up for a full
modular or perhaps a Lead3 (though I'd be happy with a 2).
To bring this all back on topic (maybe in a way)... the Nords are distinctive
for their bright fire engine red finish. I noticed one in one of the TD sleeve
shots, I think it was Valentine Wheels.
Sad news about the cancellation of the TD tour, I was really looking forward to
it. Maybe there are some other options out there for someone interested in
hearing electronic music being played live?
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 5:43
pm
Subject: M-Tron and Nord (OT)
Martin and others
What soundcard are you using with the M-Tron? I am almost sure that the
sound will be very much depending on the quality of the soundcard.
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From:
tangram12@a...
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:32
pm
Subject: rare cds
hi everyone
i have put a couple of my duplicate cds on ebay.
they are jim & Pablo and Ca va-ca Marche-Ca Ira Encore
these can be found at
http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=duncan41&
include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have
commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to be copied?
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
Sent: 23 January 2002 20:41
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of
the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
be sure to direct all your Dreamwatchers' Tales tree signups to Tom
Richmond
mailto:trichmond@b...
he may or may not properly receive them here.
I'm listening to a neat flange effect on Gustavo's track from DT2,
'Drifting'. Looking forward to hearing the rest!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:36 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the
> Watchgirl - Tree Announcement
>
>
> Most excellent news! I've been looking forward to this for a
> long time,
> since I recorded my contribution for DWT2, which is probably
> one of the best
> pieces I've ever made! And I'm glad it's included on the set.
>
> I could be a branch, but I can only make 1 copy. My address is:
> Gustavo Jobim
> R. Fabio da Luz, 393 / BL.1 / 101
> Meier - Rio de Janeiro - RJ
> 20720-350
> Brazil
>
> > Hello everyone:
> >
> > This is the first call for participation in the
> Dreamwatchers' Tales II
> > tree:
> >
> > Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the
> following information:
> >
> > Name
> > City, State, Country
> > Preferred status (Branch or Leaf)
> > Branch - able and willing to make copies for others
> (please include
> > how many you can do)
> > Leaf - unable to do copying for others
> >
> > Please note that there may be more people requesting branch
> status than we
> > need (this happened last time around). These people will
> then be set up as
> > leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree.
> >
> > Once the tree structure is published it is the
> responsibility of everyone
> > involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both
> > parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less
> than 74 minutes, so
> > 80-minute blanks won't be required.
> >
> > If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I
> don't know), Yannick
> > Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.).
> He is to be
> > congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I
> personally like this
> > set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well!
> >
> > I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups.
> I'd like to have
> > a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take
> sign-ups until
> > February 15th.
> >
> > If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Tom Richmond
> > Menomonee Falls, WI
> > trichmond@b...
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
Because the copyright is owned by the composer in each case, and they have
consented to the free copying of this track for the purpose of the
Dreamwatcher's Tales - Fable II tree.
It's good advertising for those who are actually attempting to make money
with their music, and for the rest of us, it's a neat way to let others hear
what we 'sound like'.
For me, the only purpose in copyrighting is so that another artist doesn't
revamp my idea with better instruments and make a hit single out of it!
(Yeah, RIGHT!)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
> Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have
> commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to
> be copied?
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From:
Victor Rek
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:54
pm
Subject: New York Times Article, 1977
I was in a used record shop last night and while I was handling a promo
Rubycon LP, an old newspaper clip fell out from the sleeve.
The clipping was from the New York Times, by John Rockwell dated February
13, 1977.
The title of the article is 'Space Rock - Into the Weird Blue Yonder'.
Here is an excerpt pertaining to Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze:
'[...]Much of the interesting German space rock comes out on the English
Virgin label or the German Brain label. Tangerine Dream's new
'Stratosfear' - due out on American Virgin in a couple of weeks and
available now as an import - and Froese's 'Macula Transfer' both reveal the
strengths and limitations of much of this music. The strengths are a vital
impetus and a fresh, exotic use of synthesizer coloration. The weaknesses
are a certain arbitrary, popsy willingness to wallow in effects for their
own sake. Froese and his band remain purists in that they don't stoop to
conventional pop-music devices and instrumentation. But with their film
scores (some of their music was used for 'The Exorcist' and they have
provided the soundtrack for William Friedkin's forthcoming shocker 'The
Sorcerer') they slip a little too facilely into sound over substance.
More interesting examples of the German school are the many solo disks of a
keyboard sensualist name Klaus Schulze and Harmonia's two records, on
Brain. Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes slips into a
mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of noodling. [...]'
[picture of Franke, Baumann, Froese at the bottom of the article - the same
show used on the first Disky compilation Dutch CD and many other places]
The owner of 'The Music Exchange' in Kansas City was kind enough to give me
this article for free while I was purchasing the 8-track of 'Go - Live in
Paris' with Klaus Schulze on it :-) Vic
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From:
tangram12@a...
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:25
am
Subject: greece 83, correct date
hi everyone
below is an email i recieved fro a guy in greece tonight:-
Hi,I'm e-mailing from Greece, I just wanted to give the
correct dates of the two TD 1983 concerts in Athens:
they were :30 and31August
of 1983-I was then 10 years old but I do remember seeing them in TV few days
after the concerts!
Thank you very much,
Nikos-Greece.
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] M-Tron and Nord (OT)
At 09:43 24.01.02 , you wrote:
>Martin and others
>What soundcard are you using with the M-Tron? I am almost sure that the
>sound will be very much depending on the quality of the soundcard.
>
>Administrator for Kay-Net.com
>admin@k...
>661-723-0266
>Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
Hi,
I´m using the Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS, which is an OK-sounding
low-bidget multi in-out card. I wouldn´t recommend it, though, because of
the high latency of the chipset - you always have a delay if you try to
play plugin instruments directly. I therefore mostly play the lines with a
sound from my outboard equipment and then route the M-Tron to the
MIDI-track. The sound with my ISIS is pretty authentic, though, and fits
well with the very orgnaic sound of my goth rock band outifit. ;-)
There are two factors you have to consider:
- good digital-analog-converters
- low latency
If you can spare a few pennies more, I´d recommend getting the new MOTU
firewire interface (USD 1300) and the Steinberg USB-to-MIDI(USD 200). If
you need a low-budget solution, I´d recommend the Hoontech DSP2000 (USD
500) - it´s got 8 ins and outs and MIDI interface and only 3ms latency.
Hope this helps...
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:03
am
Subject: [tree] current poll
I just noticed that the name 'Marmalade skies' (10 votes) is the current
leader of the poll, closely followed by '(The) Tangerine Tree' (8
votes)..maybe we should use the combined version 'Tangerine trees and
marmalade skies' (only 2 votes) so that everybody ends up happy :-)
So far we have 121 tree participants, but only 36 votes for a name. Come
on people, we need a decision :-) (to vote please go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/surveys?id=851324)
Heiko
P.S.: the target date for sending out my copies to the branches is
Monday, February 4th.
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:41
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales
With the imminent release through the tree of 'Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II:
Visions of the Watchgirl' I thought it was about time I turned my attention to
the original Dreamwatchers' Tales, and my thoughts about the original set.
First of all, I eventually acquired my copy last September, and I kind of had
that attitude 'There, I'm cool now, I've got this', and proceeded to play it
once (my copies had all the tracks together, and were not indexed as separate
tracks, so Disc 1 contains a track of 77.03, and disc 2 76.56!), and then just
left it with the rest of the CD's for a short while.
One day, when I had nothing better to do, I thought I'd put it on again. This
time, I started to listen to it. And before long, both discs were getting quite
regular plays on my player. In fact, even my wife likes some of the tracks! Now
I've got myself well familiarised with the discs, I think I can write a
reasonably objective review. (But bear in mind that I'm not an expert on
synthesisers so I don't have too much of a clue as to what instrument is
playing, so if I think something is a mellotron when in reality it's a ARP II
Polymorph multi-trigger Oberheim modular moog sequencer sampler, then I
apologise here and now...)
First, a word on the sleeve (which I believe I already mentioned in an earlier
posting). All in all, considering it's a CDR and 'tree' packaging, I kind of
like the front sleeve design but can't help thinking that the cover to the
original CDR release could have been better. Oh, one can't help but being
fickle! Secondly, it might have been best to run the notes as regards the
musicians past a native speaker as some of the common errors made by those who
use English as a second language reveal themselves. If you want, Yannick, you
can run them past myself (or maybe Paul Fellows [Don't mind me mentioning your
name, do you Paul?]) for proofing.
Let's kick off Disc 1, and 'Dreamwatchers Tales', an atmospheric track sampling
all the other pieces, along with effects from 'White Out' and 'Le Parc'.
Although it's a nice idea, it's kind of disjointed and so doesn't really work.
The time used for this track could have been better spent extending those
tracks in the collection that had to be cut short...
Nightbirds' 'Morning Weather' finally gets the collection going, and the
opening atmospheric sequence to the track and the end of the previous
'Dreamwatchers' merge together quite well. After a while, the synths finally
start up and we get quite a nice piece.
We move onto 'Moon Trigger' by Nemesis, and this piece kind of reminds me of
The Orb - series of rhythms but with no discernable melody to speak of to begin
with. Then quite a nice line that is repeated from about the middle kicks in,
and string synths embellish it further before the rhythms dominate again. Okay
for Orb fans...
A change of pace and some lovely guitar over the top of some nicely layered
synths starts and dominates Olivier Briand's 'Transparences'. Nice and
relaxing, and just the right length... no, wait, when the track appears to have
come to an end, Olivier picks up the synth pace with Jean Jerez's guitar doing
likewise, and the piece sounds like a slightly mellowed out TD sequencer rhythm
with Edgar's guitar finally having the volume turned down. Excellent stuff.
The next two tracks, I'm afraid, do very little for me. Doktor Strange's 'To Be
or Not to Be' just reminds of the discos I have to avoid.
Techno is just not me...
...neither is Darklion's 'Desert Live - Dreamlist part', a piece which perhaps
is as far away as possible to my idea of electronic music: switch on a few
buttons, get the drum machine going, and hey presto - instant track (but it's
still better than an awful lot of techno rubbish). However, it is vastly
redeemed at the end by some brilliant sampling of Edgar Froese's mellotron
opening on 'Maroubra Bay' and other mellotron effects which nicely wash into...
'An Intense and Intimate journey Into Your Mind' by Jeff Bergman. One of my
favourites. Although the sequencer progression in consistent throughout (only
broken midway by a lone sequencer changing its pitch from down to back up
again), the piece is always busy, it has a memorable melody, and the end it
leaves one asking for more. Unfortunately, it was cut into its tenth minute...
However, after the disappointment of Jeff cut in his prime, we launch into
perhaps the gem of the entire set. If I was to choose someone to come up with
'Rubycon 2', then Marcel Engels is the man. I just love those synth flutes, and
'Faraday' is just beautiful. Someone give this man a contract. Marcel - or Free
System Project - do you have any official releases?
After the previous piece of synth heaven, John Gentile was going to have to
work hard to follow that. This piece initially reminded me of Stephen Russell,
and although it's pleasant enough, 'Liquid Quartz' doesn't really go anywhere...
For what is meant to be an album of electronic music, Dave Brewer's 'December
Afternoon' comes as quite a pleasant surprise. After all, didn't 'Ricochet part
2' and 'To Dusk' begin with beautiful piano pieces? There are electronic
keyboards that do kick in, but they help to simply enhance what is a lovely,
well written piece. I like it.
Moving onto Rod Jones or Ephemeris, and 'Astronautilus'. As the sleeve notes
say, it's a structured happy composition, including a melody line reminiscent
of 'Logos' (or Betty Davis Eyes!?). Certainly sounds eighty-ish, but is no
worse for that.
I though I was listening to the opening bars of the Wedding March when Gustavo
Jobim's 'Mose (Should it be Morse?) Codes - excerpt' kicks in. I think I would
have preferred some of his other work rather than an experimental extract
played on an electric organ. Sorry Gustavo, forgive me...
And so onto Disc 2, and without undue delay, we have Dream Conspiracy's
'Dysfunction', which is nothing sort of brilliant. Certainly reminds me of
eighties TD, brilliant melody, loud. Again, maybe frustrating to know that
there was more... damn, anybody got a spare copy of the preview CDR?
Ionic's 'From Gulf to Gulf' sounds like a kind of filler between tracks 1 & 3;
on it's own, perhaps it's nothing too remarkable, although I have to say I do
like the slow sequences and chords. It just follows so nicely after track 1 and
into track 3...
Olyam's 'Moon Ritual' maintains the high quality that starts this disc, with a
beautiful little hap-guitar melody line on top of a sequence that continues to
build and build. Lovely stuff.
After my previous comments as regards Doktor Strange and Darklion's solo pieces
on the collection, I kind of expected to be relatively indifferent to 'So
Good'. Actually, I quite like this! I suppose it goes on a little too long, and
the voice samples are a little irritating, but I love the end with the floating
sequences and the bird sound effects which seems to wrap up the track just
nicely. Somehow 'So Good' seems to fit with what's already gone so far. ..
Two are One, or Tim Scanlon, presents us 'Love of Live' which is a track that
seems to be at complete odds with itself. A nice opening guitar sequence is
then layered by a clarinet which sounds as though it should be accompanying
something else. I have difficulty trying to remember the melody which seems to
have been put together in the same way as the guitar and clarinet. It's track
that's desperately trying to tell me it's a good, well structured composition
but I'm struggling to believe it...
Paul Ellis, or Dweller at the Threshold, gives us 'World Without End', a
pleasant sequencer piece which kinds of reminds me of early 80's TD during
their 'Convention of the 24' period. Maybe goes on a little long, but that's
really the only criticism... a little petty, really.
Experimental effects begin Fred Yargui's 'Sirius Suite' , again sounding like
the opening to an Orb piece. It's nice and slow. Nothing outstanding, but
nothing there that wants you to dismiss it either. Actually, if he didn't have
the drums, I think it would have been even better and given me the feeling of
being in space and maybe on a journey towards Sirius. Okay, it's nice!
Brian Frick's 'Sequential 97' is exactly what it is - a melody built onto a
repeating sequencer rhythm, but it does seem to hit the nail on the head. The
melody and chords do change and what we have is a very nice piece of music.
Satsuma Nightmare (ho ho), as the name suggests, come up a piece that certainly
reveals their influences from the said band. 'Grating Lobes'. This is a track
that perhaps should have been more than it is as it doesn't really change too
much all the way through. (apart from the start, of course!)
Darklion - lucky chap - makes his third appearance on the collection, this time
collaborating with Olyam - and comes up with 'Bubble Bells'. Without knowing
the details behind the composition of this track, one has to assume Darklion
has played a major influence here (he know even has a trademark electronic drum
roll!). But, having said that, it still fits well within the context of the
entire second disc. But it's not 'Moon Ritual', sadly...
And finally, and an excellent way to finish the set, we have Richard Ford's
'Another Day'. A slow chord sequence begins what turns out to be a wonderfully,
bouncy, melodic poppy piece with tubular bell effects embellishing the main
melody line further. A great way to end 154 minutes of music!
Overall, considering that many of these artists have very kindly donated tracks
or have put in some hard hours to come up with something special exclusively
for this set, Dreamwatchers' Tales is a pretty good collection. Okay, perhaps
like any other compilation it has its hits and misses, but thankfully even the
misses have some enduring quality about them. DT is perhaps exceptional when
you consider that only those in the know - particularly with this mailing list
- possess copies of it. The tree system will ensure that it could well remain a
well-treasured secret amongst EM fans. And with 'Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable
II: Visions of the Watchgirl' promising even better, I'm going to ensure I sign
up as a leaf this time.
Well done to everyone who contributed or helped set up the entire project in
the first place. We are all eternally grateful!
Roger Hartopp
--
Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie!
[ http://oferty.onet.pl ]
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From:
John McIntyre
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977
> More interesting examples of the German school are the many solo disks of a
> keyboard sensualist name Klaus Schulze and Harmonia's two records, on
> Brain. Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes slips into a
> mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of noodling. [...]'
Ah, yes, the Doctor Phibes effect. (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
From:
Tom Richmond
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:25
pm
Subject: suggestions...
Hey gang!
I'm in the process of doing a set of TD CDRs for a friend, and would like
suggestions for the last two discs.
One will be material from 'Optical Race' to present.
The other to be live and/or rare 'not to be missed' items. (I have EO, SoD
and RDE and some other unofficial live material)
I'm having trouble getting this narrowed down...
Please reply off-list, as I'm on digest and would like to hear back today if
possible.
Thanks!
Tom
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From:
'Alvaro Valdes'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:17
pm
Subject: federico - spain
earlier this week i lost all my files in the computer
everyone who has traded with me , would you mind much sending email and website
addies and list if you have any
much appreciated
federico
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 2:00
pm
Subject: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks
I was contacted by knowledgeble readers and did some more research.
Redbook vs data
===============
I really did think the CD-ROMs were more like hard disks, but it turns out that
I was wrong when I wrote that CD-ROMs used for data, record in concentric
rings. Like redbook audio (CD-DA), CD-ROMs also record in a spiral track, but
do have more robust sector marking and much stronger error correction.
Everything else was essentially correct, though as one responder pointed out, I
could have gone into more detail regarding sector marking. Well, enough is
enough, and most folks are interested in the bottom line, which remains:
Redbook audio (CD-DA) is more fragile than CD-ROM.
To Joe Shoults I wrote: 'Ripping redbook accurately is like trying to drop a
stylus onto a record at exactly the same point in exactly the same groove 10
times in a row.' I think that about sums it up.
Avoiding clicks
===============
There is an issue when indexing back-to-back music tracks that are to sound
continuous on playback.
Most concert material is continuous. A silence pad at the end of a track will
produce an audible click at the index point in back-to-back tracks. Clicks can
be avoided by following this gospel: Make the length of all WAV files a whole
multiple of 588 samples prior to mastering.
When cutting a long WAV file (from a sampler or a ripper) into indexed
sections, make each section a whole multiple of 588 samples. This provides a
resolution of 1/75th of second for the placement of the index point.
Where did 588 samples come from?
--------------------------------
(44100 samples/second) / (75 blocks/second) = 588 samples/block
Why is this an issue?
---------------------
Mastering software will pad out a partially filled block by adding silence
(zero level samples) so that the block contains exactly 588 samples. If the
block that immediately follows it is a continuation of the music, then there
will be an audible click at the index point. To avoid the click, avoid the
silence padding. To avoid the silence padding, make the length of the WAV file
a whole multiple of 588 samples. If your WAV editor doesn't provide assists,
get out your calculator and figure out where you want to do your cutting before
you break the original sample apart.
There is an easy way to get it right
------------------------------------
1 - Audibly, find a point where you want to put an index point.
2 - If your editor reads out in samples:
2a - If the beginning sample is numbered '0'
2a1 - Add '1' to the end sample number
2a2 - Divide by 588
2a3 - Throw away the fractional part
2a4 - Multiply the whole part by 588
2a5 - Subtract '1'
2a6 - This is your proper end sample number
2a7 - Move the end cursor to that sample number and cut.
2b - If the beginning sample is numbered '1'
2a1 - Divide the end sample number by 588
2a2 - Throw away the fractional part
2a3 - Multiply the whole part by 588
2a4 - This is your proper end sample number
2a5 - Move the end cursor to that sample number and cut.
3 - If your editor reads out in 1000ths of a second
3a - If you can change the mode to samples, do it and go to 2
3b - If you cannot change the mode to samples, quit.
Why quit if 3b?
---------------
75 blocks/second ==> 0.017543859649122807... seconds/block (a repeating decimal
that does not come out as a whole number of 1000ths of a second). For example:
since Cool Edit 1.52 (a 6 year old program) works in 1000ths of a second, it
wrongly thinks that 1 second = 44125 samples instead of 44100 samples.
A sanity check
--------------
To check to see whether the editor is doing the right thing, temporarily save
the cut sample as raw pcm. The size of the resulting file in bytes should be
evenly divisible by 2352.
Where did 2352 come from?
-------------------------
588 samples/block x 2 channels/sample x 2 bytes/channel.
About Cool Edit Pro
-------------------
On installation, Cool Edit Pro defaults to 1000ths of a second. Change it to
work in samples.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 3:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks
> Avoiding clicks
> ===============
> There is an issue when indexing back-to-back music tracks that
> are to sound continuous on playback.
>
> Most concert material is continuous. A silence pad at the end of
> a track will produce an audible click at the index point in
> back-to-back tracks. Clicks can be avoided by following this
> gospel: Make the length of all WAV files a whole multiple of 588
> samples prior to mastering.
Mark...another great job explaining some technical concepts in rather
non-technical terms. But my question is 'why?'
Why do you need to break up a concert into tracks and/or indexes, when all
you need to do is use a cuesheet? Most software, such as CDRWIN and Feurio
(I believe) have a cuesheet format for burning discs that allows you to put
the trackmarks into a text file and when burning the tracks are created on
the disc.
A link to CDRWIN is here:
http://www.goldenhawk.com/cdrwin.htm
A sample cue sheet looks like this:
FILE 'C:\Music\Burns\Yes\Konocti1.wav' WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE 'Track01'
PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE 'Track02'
PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
INDEX 01 00:53:00
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE 'Track03'
PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
INDEX 01 05:06:00
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE 'Track04'
PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
INDEX 01 16:19:00
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE 'Track05'
PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
INDEX 01 16:50:00
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE 'Track06'
PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
INDEX 01 22:26:00
My personal opinion is CDRWIN is the best and easiest to use software for
burning CDR's.
Now the trick is getting the track timings to line up with the sector
boundaries...which you can do manually by looking at the wave and picking a
'time' that coincides with 1/75 rule, or by using a fantastically simple
program that is called 'CDRCUE'. I bought this a few years ago for like $12
I think, and I cannot believe I used to do it manually. CDRCUE lets you
load a full wave file into it's 'player', then you fast forward through the
file in 1 min. or 10 sec. increments...once you find where you want to place
a track break or index, you insert it in realtime as you are listening and
it automatically puts the break on the next sector boundary.
The link for CDRCUE is here...
http://www.dcsoft.com/prod03.htm
Checking the link, it looks like it is now $14.95...also, digging around
there is a boatload of information on CD burning software comparisons.
Check it out! Guys, I cannot emphasize how invaluable this software program
is!
I can literally take a full 80 min. CD with 15-20 track breaks and create a
Cue sheet in minutes. Each track on a sector boundary, and never have to
break up the 'big' wave into tracks...just leave it intact. Once you get
the hang of doing it this way, you will say 'gee...I used to spend hours
doing what now takes me minutes...' Guaranteed!
So, the lesson today is:
Life can be simple...if you really want it to be.
Craig
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
LOL!
I have uploaded the RealAudio samples from DT2 to the info page:
http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl
Joe
P.S. if anyone knows how to make a link that will play a RealAudio playlist
(so you can click a link and play all the samples in succession), please
contact me offlist.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:34 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
>
>
> Because the copyright is owned by the composer in each case,
> and they have
> consented to the free copying of this track for the purpose of the
> Dreamwatcher's Tales - Fable II tree.
>
> It's good advertising for those who are actually attempting
> to make money
> with their music, and for the rest of us, it's a neat way to
> let others hear
> what we 'sound like'.
>
> For me, the only purpose in copyrighting is so that another
> artist doesn't
> revamp my idea with better instruments and make a hit single
> out of it!
> (Yeah, RIGHT!)
>
> James
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
>
> > Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have
> > commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to
> > be copied?
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks
Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file. Have I been
wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-)
Thanks for the great information, and yes, I guess I've been doin' it the hard
way.
Ciao -- Mark
'C. Chambers' wrote:
>
> > Avoiding clicks
> > ===============
> > There is an issue when indexing back-to-back music tracks that
> > are to sound continuous on playback.
> >
> > Most concert material is continuous. A silence pad at the end of
> > a track will produce an audible click at the index point in
> > back-to-back tracks. Clicks can be avoided by following this
> > gospel: Make the length of all WAV files a whole multiple of 588
> > samples prior to mastering.
>
> Mark...another great job explaining some technical concepts in rather
> non-technical terms. But my question is 'why?'
>
> Why do you need to break up a concert into tracks and/or indexes, when all
> you need to do is use a cuesheet? Most software, such as CDRWIN and Feurio
> (I believe) have a cuesheet format for burning discs that allows you to put
> the trackmarks into a text file and when burning the tracks are created on
> the disc.
>
> A link to CDRWIN is here:
> http://www.goldenhawk.com/cdrwin.htm
>
> A sample cue sheet looks like this:
>
> FILE 'C:\Music\Burns\Yes\Konocti1.wav' WAVE
> TRACK 01 AUDIO
> TITLE 'Track01'
> PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
> INDEX 01 00:00:00
> TRACK 02 AUDIO
> TITLE 'Track02'
> PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
> INDEX 01 00:53:00
> TRACK 03 AUDIO
> TITLE 'Track03'
> PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
> INDEX 01 05:06:00
> TRACK 04 AUDIO
> TITLE 'Track04'
> PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
> INDEX 01 16:19:00
> TRACK 05 AUDIO
> TITLE 'Track05'
> PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
> INDEX 01 16:50:00
> TRACK 06 AUDIO
> TITLE 'Track06'
> PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist'
> INDEX 01 22:26:00
>
> My personal opinion is CDRWIN is the best and easiest to use software for
> burning CDR's.
>
> Now the trick is getting the track timings to line up with the sector
> boundaries...which you can do manually by looking at the wave and picking a
> 'time' that coincides with 1/75 rule, or by using a fantastically simple
> program that is called 'CDRCUE'. I bought this a few years ago for like $12
> I think, and I cannot believe I used to do it manually. CDRCUE lets you
> load a full wave file into it's 'player', then you fast forward through the
> file in 1 min. or 10 sec. increments...once you find where you want to place
> a track break or index, you insert it in realtime as you are listening and
> it automatically puts the break on the next sector boundary.
>
> The link for CDRCUE is here...
> http://www.dcsoft.com/prod03.htm
>
> Checking the link, it looks like it is now $14.95...also, digging around
> there is a boatload of information on CD burning software comparisons.
> Check it out! Guys, I cannot emphasize how invaluable this software program
> is!
>
> I can literally take a full 80 min. CD with 15-20 track breaks and create a
> Cue sheet in minutes. Each track on a sector boundary, and never have to
> break up the 'big' wave into tracks...just leave it intact. Once you get
> the hang of doing it this way, you will say 'gee...I used to spend hours
> doing what now takes me minutes...' Guaranteed!
>
> So, the lesson today is:
>
> Life can be simple...if you really want it to be.
>
> Craig
>
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks
> Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file.
> Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-)
>
> Thanks for the great information, and yes, I guess I've been
> doin' it the hard way.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
Heh! I did it the hard way for way too long! CDRCUE and WINCDR were
godsends...but, I think everyone must be required to do it the painful 'old'
way. It's only fair.
Craig
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977
I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'.
Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article?
James
I can just picture KS in a foreboding castle dressed in a black cloak
pounding away at an enourmous pipe organ!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
>
[...]
> scores (some of their music was used for 'The Exorcist' and they have
> provided the soundtrack for William Friedkin's forthcoming
> shocker 'The
> Sorcerer') they slip a little too facilely into sound over substance.
[...]
>
> Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes
> slips into a
> mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of
> noodling. [...]'
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks
God Bless this list. And God Bless the Net. I was out of commission for too
long.
Hey, Joe! You were going to send me a care package. Are these the type of toys
you had in mind? -- Mark
'C. Chambers' wrote:
>
> > Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file.
> > Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-)
> >
> > Thanks for the great information, and yes, I guess I've been
> > doin' it the hard way.
> >
> > Ciao -- Mark
> >
>
> Heh! I did it the hard way for way too long! CDRCUE and WINCDR were
> godsends...but, I think everyone must be required to do it the painful 'old'
> way. It's only fair.
>
> Craig
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:05
am
Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales
Hi Roger and all,
That was a very nice review indeed,I even saved it in my 'texts' folder :)
> First of all, I eventually acquired my copy last September, and I kind of had
that attitude 'There, I'm cool now, I've got this', and proceeded to play it
once (...), and then just left it with the rest of the CD's for a short while.
That also happened with me; actually I still haven't totally gotten into
DWT, although I got it soon after it was first released. Maybe I should save
the time to do nothing else than just listen to it. But some favourites I
can remember are Jeff Bergman's Intense Journey, Olyam's Moon Ritual and the
total classic Faraday by FSP.
> I though I was listening to the opening bars of the Wedding March when
Gustavo Jobim's 'Mose (Should it be Morse?) Codes - excerpt' kicks in. I think
I would have preferred some of his other work rather than an experimental
extract played on an electric organ. Sorry Gustavo, forgive me...
No problem, Roger! I'm not sure if I've already said this here; I don't like
this track this way either, but the excerpt in DWT are the final minutes of
this 10 minute long track. It's one of my earliest, craziest and favourite
improvisations on the synth; my arms were burning after I played that insane
ending. Unfortunately, even my favourite section isn't there.
If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to put the full mp3 of Morse Codes in
our files folder, if possible, or send by ICQ. I just can't send by email.
-GJ
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: RE: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks
>Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file.
> Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-)
Of course. Another way to leave the big WAV intact is to
use WinOnCD for burning. You can set the track indices in the
Editor. It defaults to block resolution, so no issue with clicks.
It basically does the same thing as CDRWins cuesheets, but
internally, all you do is click on the proper point in the
waveform.
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: sheet music
Love on a Real Train.pdf 554 KB
I am getting a message that says, it isn't there... Can you check and see
what is up with this one. I manage to see the rest.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977
A misundertanding I believe...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:31 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977
>
>
> I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'.
>
> Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article?
>
> James
>
> I can just picture KS in a foreboding castle dressed in a black cloak
> pounding away at an enourmous pipe organ!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
> >
> [...]
> > scores (some of their music was used for 'The Exorcist' and they have
> > provided the soundtrack for William Friedkin's forthcoming
> > shocker 'The
> > Sorcerer') they slip a little too facilely into sound over substance.
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes
> > slips into a
> > mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of
> > noodling. [...]'
>
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>
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>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977
A very persistent misunderstanding.
For your amusement, here are the names of some files I have in my shared
directory:
pink floyd - tangerine dream -- is neither PF nor TD !!.mp3
tangerine dream - a clockwork orange - is not TD !! .mp3
tangerine dream - never ending story - is Giorio Moroder, not TD !! .mp3
Tangerine Dream - The Exorcist - is Mike Oldfield, not TD !! .mp3
Tangerine Dream - The Never Ending Story - is Giorgio Moroder, not TD !! .mp3
Tangerine Dream - Trance Control - is not TD !! (good techno though) .mp3
Tangerine Dream - Tubular Bells - is Mike Oldfield, not TD !! .mp3
Tangerine_Dream-Never-Ending_Story_[Main_Theme] - is Giorio Moroder, not TD !!
.mp3
Theme - Tangerine Dream - Never Ending Story - is Giorgio Moroder, not TD !!
.mp3
XXXXX___Live_K_In_12.6.1971_-_01_-_Stratovarius__is_not_Tangerine_Dream___XXXXX_\
.mp3
Since these have started coming up right below the real files, people have
begun to wise up and not further propagate these frauds. (The PF & TD one
sounds like someone's 'tribute' noodling.) -- Mark
Michael A Jean wrote:
>
> A misundertanding I believe...
>
> MJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> >
> > I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'.
> >
> > Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article?
> >
> > James
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:54
pm
Subject: A very misunderstanding.
Hello All
I have been most interested in your comments on the Voluptuous sounds
of Mr Friedkins EXORCIST,the great Dream never done it,like they
never done miami vice,but who gives a HOOT,you people surely
understand,TANGERINE DREAM are the greatest of all time,im just off
to listen to the incredible Mars Polaris.
Best regards Convention24 AKA Astrophobia
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:51
pm
Subject: Re: Mtron and sound card (OT)
I'm using MOTU 828.
When you're talking about virtual effects and instruments sound cards have no
bearing on the quality of sound itself. The sound remains internal to the host.
You assign a midi controller to your virtual synth and play it as you would any
other keyboard. When your track is done (using Cubase as an example), just do
an Export audio and the track will be saved as an audio file. The cool thing is
that you can do this for multiple tracks, including effects and automation of
your mix. All you have to do is Export and Cubase will 'magically' create a
stereo mixdown file for you that you can then throw on a cd.
With virtual instruments the big issue is latency. The quality of your sound
card and drivers, combined with the speed of your cpu, hardrive, and amount of
memory all act together to determine the latency of your system.
Latency is the length of time it will take from the moment you hit a key to
trigger your virtual synth to when you actually hear a sound.
At best, it can be negligible and perhaps even better than a slow hardware
synth. At worst it can make it almost unuseable.
Note, this is only a problem when you're trying to play your virtual instrument
or record. If you're just playing stuff back, it won't matter (e.g. everything
will play back in sync regardless of your latency).
If your system exhibits a very high latency what you could do is record your
midi using one of your hardware keyboards playing a sound similar to what you
envision as the final sound. Then just reassign the resultant midi track to one
of your virtual synths afterwards.
Since this is way too technical and off topic for this list, please feel free
to e-mail me privately if I can be of any help.
Wes
<<>>
From:
'fredericreynolds'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 2:53
am
Subject: Re: [tree] current poll
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen
wrote:
> I just noticed that the name 'Marmalade skies' (10 votes) is
the current
> leader of the poll, closely followed by '(The) Tangerine Tree' (8
> votes)..maybe we should use the combined version
'Tangerine trees and
> marmalade skies' (only 2 votes) so that everybody ends up
happy :-)
Suggest that we use 'Tangerine Tree' for this set, and
'Marmalde Skies' for a sequel!
--Fred
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
Hi Joe,
I followed your link to check out some of the DWT II tracks and everything
started off well with the excerpt from 'Fable' being loaded into a temporary
folder and RealPlayer starting. However, I was then informed that I needed a
new plug-in to be able to play the samples and a new window appeared
advising me to upgrade to RealOne! Checking it out on the Read Audio web
site (which I
was automatically taken to) it seemed I was being asked for US$9.95/month --
whatever that means. I notice it's only a beta version anyway. I returned to
the Tadream web site and tried the second track 'Contact' only to be
confronted with the same problem.
What's going on?
BTW, I downloaded the excellent artwork for the project so I'll be able to
get all that organised. Very impressed with it, actually.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
> LOL!
>
> I have uploaded the RealAudio samples from DT2 to the info page:
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl
>
> Joe
>
> P.S. if anyone knows how to make a link that will play a RealAudio
playlist
> (so you can click a link and play all the samples in succession), please
> contact me offlist.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:34 PM
> > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
> >
> >
> > Because the copyright is owned by the composer in each case,
> > and they have
> > consented to the free copying of this track for the purpose of the
> > Dreamwatcher's Tales - Fable II tree.
> >
> > It's good advertising for those who are actually attempting
> > to make money
> > with their music, and for the rest of us, it's a neat way to
> > let others hear
> > what we 'sound like'.
> >
> > For me, the only purpose in copyrighting is so that another
> > artist doesn't
> > revamp my idea with better instruments and make a hit single
> > out of it!
> > (Yeah, RIGHT!)
> >
> > James
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
> >
> > > Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have
> > > commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to
> > > be copied?
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] greece 83, correct date
Having refered to a review of these two shows written by Omiros Karajas
(whom I believe also presented the TV broadcast and also interviewed the
band in the TV studio), I can confirmed Duncan's post that the concert dates
were indeed August 30 and 31. It's strange how the dates of these particular
shows have often been confused, even to the extent of the year sometimes
being quoted as 1983 and sometimes as 1984!
- Chris
> hi everyone
> below is an email i recieved fro a guy in greece tonight:-
>
> Hi,I'm e-mailing from Greece, I just wanted to give the
> correct dates of the two TD 1983 concerts in Athens:
> they were :30 and31August
> of 1983-I was then 10 years old but I do remember seeing them in TV few
days
> after the concerts!
> Thank you very much,
> Nikos-Greece.
>
>
> Duncan McKee
>
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:59
pm
Subject: re: [tadream] greece 83, correct date
Hi all,
My concert dates pages have been updated and tidied up with a few additions
here and there:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
From:
RJF
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales
Thank you for those kind words.
>And finally, and an excellent way to finish the set, we have Richard
>Ford's 'Another Day'. A slow chord sequence begins what turns out to be
>a wonderfully, bouncy, melodic poppy piece with tubular bell effects
>embellishing the main melody line further. A great way to end 154
>minutes of music!
--
Richard F
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
you must need to upgrade because of how Yannick encoded the files. I can
play them just fine. you can download a FREE RealAudio player to play
these, it's just that RealNetworks doesn't make it easy to find on purpose.
poke around a bit at www.real.com; you'll find it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...]
> I followed your link to check out some of the DWT II tracks
> and everything
> started off well with the excerpt from 'Fable' being loaded
> into a temporary
> folder and RealPlayer starting. However, I was then informed
> that I needed a
> new plug-in to be able to play the samples and a new window appeared
> advising me to upgrade to RealOne! Checking it out on the
> Read Audio web
> site (which I
> was automatically taken to) it seemed I was being asked for
> US$9.95/month --
> whatever that means. I notice it's only a beta version
> anyway. I returned to
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: tree
Been away from the computer for a bit. Also in between ISP's.
Name - I think it should reflect that the music is (mostly) live and a tree.
' Tangerine Tree Live' or 'Tree of Live'. Sorry don't like Marmalade Skies -
pretentious
Artwork - I have liked Steve's (craftman / Rotties) pictures for ages. Check
them out. I vote for Steve.
Time line - I would prefer that concerts of the same time are linked together.
Future - I think the ideas to help for future formats like when there are
overlaps are great.
Not sure if I have anything unique. If anyone is aware of anything let me
know.
David
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] sheet music
thanks for the heads up. it is there now.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...]
> Love on a Real Train.pdf 554 KB
> I am getting a message that says, it isn't there... Can you
> check and see
> what is up with this one. I manage to see the rest.
>
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] current poll
> Suggest that we use 'Tangerine Tree' for this set, and
> 'Marmalde Skies' for a sequel!
I like this suggestion Fred. This would be a nice set for this effort!
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] current poll
I agree also!
Here are the final results:
- (The) Tangerine Tree, 14 votes, 30.43%
- Marmalade skies, 11 votes, 23.91%
- Tangerine Trees and Marmalade Skies, 4 votes, 8.70%
I think Fred's logic *perfectly* follows the poll results, or vice versa.
The clear majority liked at least one half or both aspects of this name,
totaling 63%. I think it is safe to say that we have killed two birds with
one stone here.
Maff, Duncan, Gustavo: do you guys agree? (for the artwork)
Joe
P.S. I'm working on that box design this weekend.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] current poll
>
> > Suggest that we use 'Tangerine Tree' for this set, and
> > 'Marmalde Skies' for a sequel!
>
> I like this suggestion Fred. This would be a nice set for
> this effort!
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question
I played them fine with Real Player 8 basic. HOWEVER, it did contact
RealNetwork to grab the latest codecs. Let it do this, but IGNORE
the pop up window that prompts you to upgrade to RealOne. I've
found RealOne a pain to use so I went back to RP8 basic.
If you prefer RealOne though, you CAN get a free version without
all the bells and whistles, just as Joe described.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> you must need to upgrade because of how Yannick encoded the
> files. I can
> play them just fine. you can download a FREE RealAudio player to play
> these, it's just that RealNetworks doesn't make it easy to
> find on purpose.
> poke around a bit at www.real.com; you'll find it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...]
>
> > I followed your link to check out some of the DWT II tracks
> > and everything
> > started off well with the excerpt from 'Fable' being loaded
> > into a temporary
> > folder and RealPlayer starting. However, I was then informed
> > that I needed a
> > new plug-in to be able to play the samples and a new window appeared
> > advising me to upgrade to RealOne! Checking it out on the
> > Read Audio web
> > site (which I
> > was automatically taken to) it seemed I was being asked for
> > US$9.95/month --
> > whatever that means. I notice it's only a beta version
> > anyway. I returned to
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:24
pm
Subject: Tr : [tadream] greece 83, correct date
For some reason this message wasn't shown in its entirety, so I'm trying
again:
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De : 'Paul Fellows'
À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
Objet : re: [tadream] greece 83, correct date
Date : Sam 26 jan 2002 13:59
Hi all,
My concert dates pages have been updated and tidied up with a few additions
here and there:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
From:
'horrod6'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:41
pm
Subject: (tree) Tree name
Fred said 'Suggest that we use 'Tangerine Tree' for this set, and
'Marmalade Skies' for a sequel!'
Great idea Fred - you've just changed my voting intentions!
LnH
Marion
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:44
pm
Subject: 220 Volt
Just listening to 220 Volt for the first time in about 6 months or so.
MAN! What a GREAT ALBUM! I'm kicking myself for missing the 92 tour!
Question though: in Backstreet Hero, who is playing the guitar parts?
There's
some acoustic sections that are definitely Z-man, but there's one part just
after
5 minutes that sounds an awful lot like an Edgar riff, but it's very short
and followed
by another guitar part that sounds like it could be Zlatko, but not really.
I wonder if that's Jerome using a little of Dad's style and a little
Z-style?
James
From:
'Vincent Goudreault'
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:01
pm
Subject: Re: New York Times Article, 1977
> Subject: Re: New York Times Article, 1977
>
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
>
> I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'.
>
> Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article?
>
> James
Most likely the miss understanding of Mr. Bill Friedkin's quote to the
effect
that, had he heard TD earlier, he would have asked them to score The
Exorcist.
To quote from the 'Sorcerer' album sleeve (both the vinyl and the CD)
'(...)
I first heard the TANGERINE DREAM while in Munich for the opening of
THE EXORCIST.
Had I heard them sooner I would have asked them to score that film.
(...)
William Friedkin'
C.B.Vincent Goudreault
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] current poll
At 02.01.26-13:03, vic rek wrote:
> > Suggest that we use 'Tangerine Tree' for this set, and
> > 'Marmalde Skies' for a sequel!
>
>I like this suggestion Fred. This would be a nice set for this effort!
I third this
€0.02
Pete Isaacson
aka
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mailto:penfold@a...
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:52
am
Subject: name, artwork, blackout Re: current poll
Yes! I'm glad that Tangerine Tree was the most voted. That was my first
suggestion, and it was always the best title for me. I also voted on this
title, BTW. I still don't really like 'Marmalade Skies', though.
About the artwork. I probably have the first three front covers ready. I'm
still not sure if I'll change what I have for Bernau 2001 (Inferno), though.
I only have one back cover ready, but I already know how I'm going to do the
other back cover. Inferno is also the only back cover I haven't even thought
about yet.
The problem is, there have been this huge blackout here in Brazil last week,
and my HD was toasted. I fortunately managed to backup all my files (at
least I believe I did so), even with the HD clicking and popping like
popcorn (argh). I already have bought a new HD, a bigger one, but still
couldn't install it. I'm now using my old pentium 133 at home, and the
backup is all at the computer at work, so even if I wanted to continue the
work on the covers here on the p133 (and I DONT want at all), I wouldn't be
able to do so. I will try to finish the artwork at work, but you know, I'll
be at work, so that will certainly be complicated (lots of stuff to do at
work). Meanwhile I haven't been able to continue recording my composition...
and the university vacation is ending... arrgh.. at least I recorded this
massive and f*king gorgeous piece in classic electronic style that sounds a
bit like Rubycon and Bayreuth Return... So at least the blackout was good
for something. enough rambling.
back to the topic... I prefer 'Tangerine Tree', without the 'The'. What do
you all think?
GJ
> I agree also!
>
> Here are the final results:
> - (The) Tangerine Tree, 14 votes, 30.43%
> - Marmalade skies, 11 votes, 23.91%
> - Tangerine Trees and Marmalade Skies, 4 votes, 8.70%
>
> I think Fred's logic *perfectly* follows the poll results, or vice versa.
> The clear majority liked at least one half or both aspects of this name,
> totaling 63%. I think it is safe to say that we have killed two birds with
> one stone here.
>
> Maff, Duncan, Gustavo: do you guys agree? (for the artwork)
>
> Joe
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:09
pm
Subject: Tech questions, etc. where to go... (OT)
Thought I'd throw this in for those who have questions on sound cards,
etc.... check out www.kvr-vst.com - very cool forum for info related to
various plug-in effects, virtual instruments, and host-related questions. A
lot of good people there, including many developers (had Eric Pershing of
Spectrasonics the other day)... etc.
Question for Martin as a kind of tangent to your M-Tron comment... I though
it might be fun to get your thoughts about some other softsynths...
I love the PPG, of course!
Have you ever played with the Pentagon from RGC Audio? IMO opinion a fabulous
sounding synth and well worth checking out if you haven't yet!!!
Best regards,
Wes
aka Liondream
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:53
pm
Subject: Tour Dates
>Paul Fellows said:
>
>My concert dates pages have been updated and tidied up with a few additions
>here and there:
>
>http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
As with John Burek and Mark Schaffer's wonderful Tour Descriptions website
(which I wrongly credited to Duncan a few weeks back), I use Paul's website
as a Bible for identifying concerts.
I was curious about a few things that have come up recently (and some not
so recently):
Someone said that the 1974 Reims Cathedral concert in France is from
September 13, 1974.
Klaus B.'s website, your website, and James Owens websites all nail this as
a December 13th, 1974 concert. I'd be curious to know for sure, although
I'm pretty sure what the answer is. :)
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html
January 31, 1976 Bilboa, Spain is now appearing in our collective grubby
paws and will also be part of the first recipe of the Marmalade Skies tree. :)
I'm excited to see that 1983 is starting to fill in. What an elusive year
for TD tour info! We know more about 1977 than we do about 83. Go figure!
Now if I can nail the actual date of the 1983 Poland video that's floating
around. It's not from December 10th. The melodic differences are quite
noticeable on the video compared to the 10th.
Thanks again,
-Morgan
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 220 Volt
In a message dated 1/26/02 2:49:34 PM, james.owens@m... writes:
>Question though: in Backstreet Hero, who is playing the guitar parts?
>There's some acoustic sections that are definitely Z-man, but there's one
part
>just after 5 minutes that sounds an awful lot like an Edgar riff, but it's
very short
>and followed by another guitar part that sounds like it could be Zlatko, but
not
>really.
>I wonder if that's Jerome using a little of Dad's style and a little
>Z-style?
I don't have 220 Volt handy to check if I'm thinking of the same part you
are, but the guitar solo in Backstreet Hero is indeed played by Jerome. You
can see him play it on the Three Phase video, which I wish they would reissue
on DVD.
I also wish the Froeses would pick up their guitars more often these days.
--Daniel
NP: Shadow Gallery - Society of the Mind
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From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:11
am
Subject: Re: current poll
>Yes! I'm glad that Tangerine Tree was the most voted. That was my first
>suggestion, and it was always the best title for me. I also voted on this
>title, BTW. I still don't really like 'Marmalade Skies', though.
Although not very popular, I rather liked tadream tree the best. Most
appropriate!
...Utch
--------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what
they become by it. --John Ruskin
From:
'Craig Cordrey'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:39
am
Subject: Romancing the Stone
Perhaps I'm the last to realise, but I noticed this morning when watching
Romancing the Stone that Michael Hoenig is credited with soundtrack
production, and the soundtrack itself includes Mark Shreeve's Legion.
This is quite a pleasant shock early on a Sunday morning.
Cheers,
Craig Cordrey
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:55
pm
Subject: Bruce Willis
I happened to watch a few minutes of an old Bruce Willis / Cybil Shepherd TV
series, 'Moonlightning' I think it is called. In one of the episodes they
used a few minutes of a TD song, it's must have been Cloudburst Flight. But
not as it appears on the Dream Sequence compilation - it had more drums when
the melody kicked in.
But i am sure you guys already know this.
Glenn
From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: ElektroBeats TOP 10 / 2001
Hi all,
here comes the TOP 10 of the 'ElektroBeats' vote of the best electronic CD
2001, broadcast: 23-Jan-2002 on Radio Eins.
10. Christian Kleine - Beyond repair
09. Monolake - Cinemascope
08. Appliance - Imperial Metric
07. Fanger & Schoenwaelder feat. lutz Ulbrich - Analog overdose
06. The Other People Place - Lifestyles of the Laptop Cafe
05. Aphex Twin - Drukqs
04. Klaus Schulze - Live @Klangart
03. Irmin Schmidt & Kumo - Masters of Confusion
02. Plaid - Double Figure *
02. Brian Eno & J. Peter - Drawn from life *
01. TANGERINE DREAM - DREAM MIXES III
* same points
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
Dmitriy V N
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:44
pm
Subject: Quinoa&DM
My NP's are now mostly 1992-95 material.
The best album of this period is Qinoa (Only the
Quinoa track; lately added Voxel Ux and Lhasa are more
7letters style which I don't like).
The middle part of Quinoa appears slightly remixed as
Oriental Haze in 220 Volts. This among with the
nextcoming and the last sections are my favourites.
This track is one of the longest in TD and at least
twice longer then any other track since Livemiles.
I also invented a few funny things with the first DM.
The album itself is completely unremarkable and maybe
the worst since 1973.
Try Turn Of The Tides with remixed Firetongues,
Twilight Brigade and Jungle Journey instead of
original. Try same thing with Tyranny Of Beauty
(replacing Catwalk, Little Blond and Bride in cold
tears). The impression is very different from usual.
Try listening to all four Touchwood variants one after
another. Then check what you now think of the damned
Touchwood:))
Regards,
Dmitriy
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From:
Dmitriy V N
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:45
pm
Subject: Talk!
Greetings, I'm here again!
But where is the discussion? I see only some slowly
flowing tree/bootlegs talk...
People, are you still alive?
Regards,
Dmitriy
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:03
pm
Subject: [tree] MP3 Quality
Howdy All.
I discovered that some people are going to use MP3 and that there will be an
MP3 sub-tree. I suggest that you use the Blade encoder. I have some frequency
response curves for stuff I've actually done that graphically shows that Blade
will give you an extra 5 KHz of frequency response beyond what you would get
with Fraunhofer- or LAME-based encoders. Request off list for JPGs.
Ciao -- Mark
--
It's 2002. Do you know where Osama is?
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Romancing the Stone
I noticed the other night that Hoenig is credited with creating the
theme to 'The District' on CBS.
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Cordrey [mailto:craig.cordrey@b...]
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:39 AM
To: Tadream@Y...; ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com;
Beyond_Em@Y...
Subject: [tadream] Romancing the Stone
Perhaps I'm the last to realise, but I noticed this morning when watching
Romancing the Stone that Michael Hoenig is credited with soundtrack
production, and the soundtrack itself includes Mark Shreeve's Legion.
This is quite a pleasant shock early on a Sunday morning.
Cheers,
Craig Cordrey
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tour Dates
Hi Morgan,
It seems here we have another example of TD concert history becoming
somewhat confused. For years there has been debate amongst fans as to
whether TD played once or twice at Rheims Cathedral in 1974. To try and
clarify things as much as possible, a few years ago I wrote a short piece
bringing together all the information I could find on TD's Rheims shows
(plus, in less detail, their other cathedral shows of that era). I have
reproduced a short section of it here to try and shed some light. Remember,
all this information has been takem from original UK music press articles
from that time.
'The first occasion where these philosophies were practised was at Rheims
cathedral in France, although the actual date of this concert is seemingly
open to some debate. Definitive TD discography 'Voices In The Dunes' lists
concerts played there as taking place on 13th September 1974, and 13th
December 1974, while most other sources claim the latter of these to be the
band's first and only appearance at the legendary building. 'Dunes' also
lists the September concert as being the occasion when the church
authorities were outraged at the behaviour of the audience and the mess they
left behind. Clearly, from trawling through press cuttings dating back to
this period, and even from the inner sleeve from the bootleg CD 'Live!
Improvised!', this now-infamous concert was actually the one which took
place in December. In the articles I have from the UK music press
surrounding the December concert, there is not one mention of TD having
played there just a few months previously, and even the most comprehensive
of fan's live tapes lists fail to even list a September show. Indeed, if we
look at how this concert was initially conceived, it becomes more and more
likely that the concert of 13th September 1974 never actually took place.'
'The origins of the Rheims concert go back to when one of France's few
successful promoters, Asaad, wanted to bring more contemporary music to the
then-mostly restored cathedral (it had been all but destroyed by German
incendiary bombs and the subsequent fire during the First World War in
September 1914). Initially, the Archbishop declined the proposal, decreeing,
perhaps understandably, that Rock and Roll music would hardly be the most
appropriate sound to be heard emanating from such a holy place. But Asaad
was determined to get the religious authorities to agree, and so, with the
assistance of the 'Musique-Action de Rheims Organisation', began a search
for unusual acts who did not fall into any kind of Rock category. They
eventually came up with the names of Nico, a female German singer who had
previously worked with The Velvet Underground, and Tangerine Dream, an
abstract electronic ensemble, also German, who performed their powerful,
meandering, pseudo-classical imaginings in near darkness. The Archbishop,
obviously suspicious about this pair of unknown acts, asked to hear some
examples of music from each of them. Tangerine Dream played him a copy of
the recently recorded 'Phaedra' album, after which he gave his consent to
them being allowed to perform. If TD had played Rheims in September, then
surely the authorities there would have known precisely what kind of band
they actually were, making this whole screening process completely
unnecessary, and pushing the September concert further back into the realms
of that which never happened.'
Hope this makes things a little clearer, but I guess only a quote from Edgar
would lay this particular issue to rest.
- Chris
PS - If anyone wants to read the whole article, please let me know.
----- Original Message -----
From: Morgan Feldon
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tour Dates
>
> >Paul Fellows said:
> >
> >My concert dates pages have been updated and tidied up with a few
additions
> >here and there:
> >
> >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
>
> As with John Burek and Mark Schaffer's wonderful Tour Descriptions website
> (which I wrongly credited to Duncan a few weeks back), I use Paul's
website
> as a Bible for identifying concerts.
>
> I was curious about a few things that have come up recently (and some not
> so recently):
>
>
> Someone said that the 1974 Reims Cathedral concert in France is from
> September 13, 1974.
> Klaus B.'s website, your website, and James Owens websites all nail this
as
> a December 13th, 1974 concert. I'd be curious to know for sure, although
> I'm pretty sure what the answer is. :)
>
>
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html
> January 31, 1976 Bilboa, Spain is now appearing in our collective grubby
> paws and will also be part of the first recipe of the Marmalade Skies
tree. :)
>
>
> I'm excited to see that 1983 is starting to fill in. What an elusive year
> for TD tour info! We know more about 1977 than we do about 83. Go figure!
> Now if I can nail the actual date of the 1983 Poland video that's floating
> around. It's not from December 10th. The melodic differences are quite
> noticeable on the video compared to the 10th.
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:44
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Tour Dates
----------
>De : Morgan Feldon
>À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Objet : [tadream] Tour Dates
>Date : Dim 27 jan 2002 0:53
>
>
>>Paul Fellows said:
>>
>>My concert dates pages have been updated and tidied up with a few additions
>>here and there:
>>
>>http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
>
> As with John Burek and Mark Schaffer's wonderful Tour Descriptions website
> (which I wrongly credited to Duncan a few weeks back), I use Paul's website
> as a Bible for identifying concerts.
Thanks for the nice compliment :-)
>
> I was curious about a few things that have come up recently (and some not
> so recently):
>
>
> Someone said that the 1974 Reims Cathedral concert in France is from
> September 13, 1974.
> Klaus B.'s website, your website, and James Owens websites all nail this as
> a December 13th, 1974 concert. I'd be curious to know for sure, although
> I'm pretty sure what the answer is. :)
An extract of a message between Heiko Heerssen & myself from a while back:
> Someone pointed out that I have the infamous Reims Cathedral concert in 1974
> listed twice on my pages, once on September 13 and again on December 13. Is
> this because the concert was performed in September and broadcast on TV in
> December, or did they play there twice?
>
> Paul
Hello Paul,
as far as I know TD played Reims only on December 13. In the booklet of the
'Reims live improvised' boot cd there is a copy of the original flyer and it
says December, not September. TD played the Reims Cathedral also in 1975, on
September 23rd, so maybe this explains why some people got confused with the
concert dates.
>
>
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html
> January 31, 1976 Bilboa, Spain is now appearing in our collective grubby
> paws and will also be part of the first recipe of the Marmalade Skies tree. :)
Thanks for the info, I hadn't spotted that that one was new...
Paul
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:29
pm
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Tour Dates
Woah!
Paul Fellows wrote:
-snip-
> An extract of a message between Heiko Heerssen & myself from a while back:
>
> > Someone pointed out that I have the infamous Reims Cathedral concert in 1974
> > listed twice on my pages, once on September 13 and again on December 13. Is
> > this because the concert was performed in September and broadcast on TV in
> > December, or did they play there twice?
> >
> > Paul
>
> Hello Paul,
> as far as I know TD played Reims only on December 13. In the booklet of the
> 'Reims live improvised' boot cd there is a copy of the original flyer and it
> says December, not September. TD played the Reims Cathedral also in 1975, on
> September 23rd, so maybe this explains why some people got confused with the
> concert dates.
My records show TD playing the opera house in Reims on 23 Sep 75, not the
cathedral. I have read that the pope banned TD from ever again playing in a
Catholic church following the reconsecration of the fouled Reims Cathedral,
fouled as a result of the show in 74. If you have other information, please
enlighten me.
Thanks -- Mark
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales II
Hi all,
Just had a mooch around the site, must say that the overall quality of this
package is even better than the first (which is really saying something), in
all aspects from production of the tracks themselves, the rhythms and
melodies and not to mention the cover. Very impressed, I look forward to
receiving the whole thing :-)
A bit disappointed that Free System Projekt didn't contribute this time
though, 'Faraday' was my favourite track from the first one...
On the other hand Gustavo Jobim's track is a vast improvement on his
contribution last time (no offence, just didn't think that last track
'belonged' for style reasons)...
Well done all for a fine effort :-)
Paul Fellows
>
> I have uploaded the RealAudio samples from DT2 to the info page:
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl
>
> Joe
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:33
pm
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Tour Dates -- update about Reims 13 Dec 74
About the 13 Dec 74, Reims Cathedral show:
'The cathedral held around 2000 people, but the promoter managed to
squeeze 5000 in. It was a terrible situation. People couldn't move,
they couldn't get out, and because there were no toilets inside,
everybody had to piss up against the walls. You can imagine the mess
by the end of the concert. What's more, we got the blame for it.
Even the Pope stepped in. He banned us from playing every Catholic
church in the world.' - EF ('Melody Maker' magazine, 8 Oct 1994).
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Tour Dates
> Paul Fellows wrote:
> -snip-
>> An extract of a message between Heiko Heerssen & myself from a while back:
>>
>> > Someone pointed out that I have the infamous Reims Cathedral concert in
1974
>> > listed twice on my pages, once on September 13 and again on December 13.
Is
>> > this because the concert was performed in September and broadcast on TV in
>> > December, or did they play there twice?
>> >
>> > Paul
>>
>> Hello Paul,
>> as far as I know TD played Reims only on December 13. In the booklet of the
>> 'Reims live improvised' boot cd there is a copy of the original flyer and it
>> says December, not September. TD played the Reims Cathedral also in 1975, on
>> September 23rd, so maybe this explains why some people got confused with the
>> concert dates.
>
> My records show TD playing the opera house in Reims on 23 Sep 75, not the
> cathedral. I have read that the pope banned TD from ever again playing in a
> Catholic church following the reconsecration of the fouled Reims Cathedral,
> fouled as a result of the show in 74. If you have other information, please
> enlighten me.
>
> Thanks -- Mark
Very good point, it's logical that if they were banned from the Catholic
church in 1974 that they didn't play there again in 1975, can you tell us
where your info about the opera house comes from?
Paul
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales II
> From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...]
>
> A bit disappointed that Free System Projekt didn't contribute this time
> though, 'Faraday' was my favourite track from the first one...
I would have made a contribution but I had to do some concert
in the last part of last year plus I was in the midst of moving
to another house. Sorry.
We'll see next time! :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
thanks for the kind words, it makes it all worthwile!
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:51
am
Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales II
Hello all, I have this Software album, called Software-Visions, and I'd like
to trade it for an album by KS or TD (or maybe anything else you might
suggest). Please send me an email if you're interested.
--------
> A bit disappointed that Free System Projekt didn't contribute this time
> though, 'Faraday' was my favourite track from the first one...
Exactly my feelings. Hope Marcel can make it next time.
about my track (sorry, I can't avoid commenting!)
> On the other hand Gustavo Jobim's track is a vast improvement on his
> contribution last time (no offence, just didn't think that last track
> 'belonged' for style reasons)...
Yes, a vast improvement indeed, but that old track was just some
experimental lunacy anyway. Actually I submitted it just because I knew it
didn't belong, to make it different ;) My electronic tracks from that period
were still much more technically amateur than Drifting, and I was pretty
sure of the overall good quality we were going to get in DWT1, so I decided
to submit Morse Codes for DWT1. I'm very satisfied to already hear positive
comments about Drifting, since I made it specially for DWT2. Glad you like
it!
I still haven't heard the Realaudio thing, just don't want to spend time
downloading or doing anything special on this Almostjunk (my old P-133). I
hope I get that win2000 cd to get back on track soon. Meanwhile I'm using
webmail (argh).
-GJ now playing: Jarre's Concerts in China. total electronic classic if you
ask me; certainly one of his finest albums. just played KS's Miditerranean
Pads before: another fine album.
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:45
pm
Subject: (tree)
Thanks to everyone who is making this tree possible.
Will any credits appear on the project of those that made it possible?
On the David Bowie CD 'Bowie at the Beeb' the names of the people who attended
the concert on 27 June 2000 appear in the booklet in the jewel case. Anyone
have any views on the tree names (nicknames) / credits appearing on the
artwork, either as a momento or accountability?
David
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:01
am
Subject: TD - live in various cathedrals
Hi everyone,
Below is the article which a few people have asked I post in its entirety. It
was written for the long-defunct 'Voyager' magazine some 4 years ago, but as it
packed in without another issue being done, the article was never printed.
The information it contains has been gathererd together from several entensive
UK music press articles from 1974-75, a few small press cuttings, and the odd
line from 'The Tangible Dream.' I hope it proves an interesting read for some
of you.
TANGERINE DREAM - LIVE IN VARIOUS CATHEDRALS
Back in an earlier stage in Tangerine Dream's history, an era when their music,
then a free-form sonic journey through the mind of the listener, was virtually
entirely improvised on stage, the band members, then Edgar Froese, Chris Franke
and Peter Baumann, became attracted to the idea of performing their music
within the unique and imposing environment of churches and cathedrals. Until
that point, the band had played in a very diverse range of venues, from small
clubs, gymnasiums and even an inflated tent, to open-air festivals and
universities. Their first genuine tour as such, took place in the UK between
October and December 1974, when they played more traditional venues such as
London's Rainbow Theatre and Bristol's Colston Hall. Even so, the band still
felt their sound could be better presented and experienced in more specialist
surroundings.
Edgar Froese: 'We do it for the acoustic possibilities. You couldn't listen to
a normal beat in a cathedral because there would be so much feedback and echo,
so that is why we have church people go along with our ideas. But what we don't
want is the leaders of the church thinking our concert gives them the
possibility to bring in young people to church. It is the music, and what we
are doing is trying to show how many possibilities there are in music. We want
to show different things, so we might try to play on the sea or on a ship or in
a church or whatever. What we try to do is to keep moving musically and with
our ideas, so the worst thing for us would be to play a lot of years always the
same, the same, the same,' he explained. 'We prefer doing special, memorable
events than playing conventional concerts. Cathedrals have incredible acoustic
possibilities, especially since most of them were built before there was any
amplification. In these buildings the atmosphere is more conducive to
concentration than elsewhere, and our music demands concentration.'
Peter Baumann: 'For the churches, we have a very nice amplification system and
we have very many not-too-big speakers which we place everywhere, about 12-16
channels. You cannot say it is quadraphonic. It is more than that. With our
group we don't need a mixer because the instruments are mixed by ourselves. We
are not like other groups who use the normal mixing man.'
The first occasion where these philosophies were practised was at Rheims
cathedral in France, although the actual date of this concert is seemingly open
to some debate. Definitive TD discography 'Voices In The Dunes' lists concerts
played there as taking place on 14th September 1974, and 13th December 1974,
while most other sources claim the latter of these to be the band's first and
only appearance at the legendary building. 'Dunes' also lists the September
concert as being the occasion when the church authorities were outraged at the
behaviour of the audience and the mess they left behin.. Clearly, from trawling
through press cuttings dating back to this period, and even from the inner
sleeve from the bootleg CD 'Live! Improvised!', this now-infamous concert
actually took place on 13th December 1974. In the articles I have from the UK
music press surrounding the December concert, there is not one mention of TD
having played there just a few months previously, and even the most
comprehensive of fan's live tapes lists fail to even list it. Indeed, if we
look at how this concert was initially conceived, it becomes more and more
likely that the concert of 13th September 1974 never actually took place.
The origins of the Rheims concert go back to when one of France's few
successful promoters, Asaad, wanted to bring more contemporary music to the
then-mostly restored cathedral (it had been all but destroyed by German
incendiary bombs, and the subsequent fire, during the First World War in
September 1914). Initially, the Archbishop declined the proposal, decreeing,
perhaps understandably, that Rock and Roll music would hardly be the most
appropriate sound to be heard emanating from such a holy place. But Asaad was
determined that the religious authorities agree, and so, with the assistance of
the 'Musique-Action de Rheims Organisation', began a search for unusual acts
who did not fall into any kind of Rock category. They eventually came up with
the names of Nico, a female German singer who had previously worked with The
Velvet Underground, and Tangerine Dream, an abstract electronic ensemble, also
German, who performed their powerful, meandering, pseudo-classical imaginings
in near darkness. The Archbishop, obviously suspicious about this pair of
unknown acts, asked to hear some examples of music from each of them. Tangerine
Dream played him a copy of the recently recorded 'Phaedra' album, after which
he gave his consent to them being allowed to perform. If TD had played Rheims
in September, then surely the authorities there would have known precisely what
kind of band they actually were, making this whole screening process completely
unnecessary, and pushing the September concert further back into the realms of
that which never happened.
A press release was then issued, with the headline 'Un Risque Calcule'. It went
on to say that it was hoped the concert would bring people together to witness
the arts in a place of beauty. The more cynical observers, however, claimed
that the Archbishop's agreement to the concert taking place was more a
financial decision than anything else, and that the fee for hiring the
cathedral for the evening would go some way towards paying for its continued
restoration. Indeed, massive restoration work would be needed in the near
future if disruptive splinter group 'les Anarchistes's threat that they were
going to bomb the cathedral at 8.00 on the evening of the concert had been
carried out. As it transpired, they were not taken seriously, as all of their
previous bomb threats had came to nothing, as did their warning about the
Rheims cathedral that night. Apparently, neither TD nor Nico were told of the
threat before the concert, for fear that they would refuse to play under such
circumstances.
Worried that he would face ridicule for hiring out a place of God for financial
gain, the Archbishop soon withdrew the fee for hiring the cathedral, instead
instructing Asaad that a 4000 franc donation (approx. £400) to its restoration
fund would be greatly appreciated. At the time, this was about half the fee
someone would have needed to pay to hire a major UK venue, and only a fifth of
what it would have cost to hire the Paris Olympia. The actual tickets were put
on sale at between 15 and 24 francs (about £1.50 to £2.40).
Crash barriers were erected outside the entrances, much to the consternation of
the local priests who were unaware of the threat from 'les Anarchistes' and
other such movements, who, aside from the bomb warning, also had a habit of
barging their way into every major concert in France. The promoters, eager to
avoid any trouble, took no chances, especially in the wake of 'les Anarchistes'
causing chaos at a Gong concert in Paris only three weeks earlier. In the end,
there was only one minor, isolated incident, and even that was caused by a
surge of fans, who, having entered from the West Porch doors. and keen to gain
the best spots on the marbled floor, caused about fifty people to be left with
bruises and bloody noses from the resulting crush. Sadly though, the night
would still had its most infamous scenes to come.
After about an hour and a half of patience on the audience's behalf, during
which time certain sections of which took to hissing, booing and slow hand
clapping, such was the delay in the proceedings getting underway, the priest
delivered an extended version of the press handout from the stage in both
English and French, saying that it was hoped 'we will be able to create a grand
and mysterious moment', but also warning that any trouble or damage caused to
the cathedral would severely jeopardise the possibility of similar concerts
being held there in the future. Looking back on the events of that night, his
words could hardly have been more prophetic.
Enter Tangerine Dream, with Messrs Froese, Franke and Baumann taking their
positions amid their banks of equipment in the semi-darkness of the High Altar.
Their first set, some forty-six minutes long, was a gradual exercise in the
improvised layering of simple sounds and tones, and results in an extended
section of music that possesses an undeniable haunting beauty, both ominous and
brooding in some promise of greater things it may or may not deliver, and
curiously beckoning, in that the listener's mind is given both license and
opportunity to wander within, and somehow become wrapped inside, the layers of
sounds, and find a niche where the conscience can be taken along by the
filaments of the music's flow. The set is a hugely effective one and, at its
eventual conclusion, is met with enthusiastic applause.
After several minutes of silence, Nico settled herself next to her gold and
mahogany harmonium and delivers her own set, a stark contrast to that played by
TD, with her voice emanating from clouds of breath caused by the near-freezing
temperature. Her set was so well received she was called back for an encore.
At thirty-seven minutes, TD's second set is shorter than their first, perhaps
because of Nico's encore. The music they performed was more experimental this
time, with more emphasis on a wealth of unearthly sounds mixed in with a
building momentum that reached a crescendo after some twenty-five minutes, when
the band's sound reached it's deepest and richest. In contrast to a far more
lyrical opening set, this second piece was much similar in style to the music
they would perform live during the 1975-76 tours, with layers of rhythm acting
as a frame-work beneath the overall sound.
The first news of what resulted in this concert becoming the most notorious in
TD's history was reported in both the newspapers and the music press over the
next couple of weeks. In the UK, 'Melody Maker' reported that angry
parishioners were calling for the purification of the cathedral following the
mess left behind by the 6000-strong audience. They were appalled by what they
described as the 'desecration' of the 12th Century building. Some worshippers
even prepared a statement reading: 'The church is a place of worship and not a
festival hall. It is abnormal that the Pope and Archbishop should allow Pagan
music to be played there. The cathedral was turned into a smoking den, and a
drug and alcohol orgy took place.'
The reason for their upset was discovered after the crowds had dispersed from
the cathedral, leaving behind them an appalling mess. Puddles of urine were
found everywhere, including, perhaps worst of all, the very spot where
virtually all of France's kings had been crowned over the centuries. Mountains
of litter were scattered over the marbled floors, and it was clear that many of
those in the audience had been smoking pot. There were urine stains on many of
the magnificent pillars, and many couples, perhaps due to the low temperature,
were seen (shock horror!) cuddling and kissing. While the latter of these may
not seem the greatest of crimes, perhaps it was not the most appropriate
behaviour in a house of God.
Judging events from a purely factual point of view, Father Bernard Goureau,
cultural attache of the Arch Diocese was qouted as saying: 'It is true that
certain youths smoked pot to communicate more with the sound of Tangerine Dream
and the show. It is also true that some others, perhaps because of the need
that prevailed, found it necessary to urinate against the pillars. It is also
true that some, because of the cold in the cathedral. were seen folded in each
others arms and kissing. But it is also true that some 6000 youths, staying
three hours in the dark, stretched out on the floor, enjoyed the music and
could have caused more serious damage and behaved in a more disgraceful manner.'
Two factors did not help in the events of that night. One was that due to
disorganisation on the behalf of the promoters, about 6000 people were crammed
into an area which was only really large enough to hold 2000. The second was
that there were no toilet facilities available to those 6000 people. Edgar
Froese: 'What do you do if you want to go to the rest-room and can't move?'
French newspapers immediately carried accounts of what had happened, with
outraged editorials and banner headlines plastering their pages. Within a day
the New York Times had also ran a piece, and already the concert was slipping
into legend. The news was passed on to The Pope himself, the result of which
was that, rather unfairly, Tangerine Dream were themselves blamed for the
scenes, and were subsequently banned from playing in any catholic building ever
again. Edgar Froese: 'The result was that we were perhaps the only band in the
world to have been banned by the Pope himself from playing in churches. We've
got it in writing.'
One good thing to emerge from this ban was that the opposing party, the
Protestants, then invited TD to play in some of the cathedrals in the UK. Maybe
they wanted to cash in on the musical success of the Rheims concert. If the
Catholics no longer wanted TD to play on their ground, then the Protestants
would hopefully benefit from the publicity the Rheims concert had generated for
the band. But before any such concerts in the UK, TD sold out another
cathedral, the Saint Benno Kirche in Munich on 25th April 1975, which was also
a huge success. Unfortunately, this seems to be the only one of the cathedral
concerts not to be circulated between fans as a live tape. Of all the
comprehensive lists I've referred to, not one of them lists this particular
show.
The concerts TD played in the cathedrals of Coventry (4th October) and
Liverpool (16th October) and in York Minster (20th October) were incorporated
as part of their 1975 UK tour. They had also looked into the possibility of
playing St. Paul's cathedral in London, but it was booked up for the next 18
months.
A great testament to the music and attitude of Tangerine Dream came from The
Dean of Liverpool, the Very Reverend Edward Patey, who wrote in the Liverpool
cathedral newsletter: 'It is true that most of the music heard on Top Of The
Pops and in record stores is superficial. second-hand and fifth rate. That kind
of music has no place in cathedrals such as Coventry, Liverpool and York, which
all stand for artistic excellence. But the three members of Tangerine Dream,
Edgar Froese Chris Franke and Peter Baumann, belong to an entirely different
world from that of commercialised pop. They are skilled musicians with expert
craftsmanship and brilliant powers of improvisation. If the music of Tangerine
Dream can provide a genuine meeting point for both pop fans and serious music
lovers, this may be a further theological reason why their music should be
welcome in Coventry, Liverpool and York. It may well be that these three
brilliant young German musicians have a real contribution to bring in
reconciling those whose experience seems to be poles apart.' In a later
interview, he went on to say: 'I wasn't all that surprised when they approached
me. My only reaction when I am asked about a group is why do they want to do it
in the cathedral? Would it be better here than anywhere, and would it fit in
with what the cathedral stands for? Would it be bringing in the wrong kind of
element artistically, or the right kind? My first reaction was to find out what
they sounded like. So I listened to the records which they kindly gave me and I
was interested in them. I liked Tangerine Dream as soon as I heard them.' He
went on to comment: 'This is the first time there has been any electronic music
in the cathedral, and I'm interested to see how it goes in our walls.' When
questions about whether he had any reservations due to the events at Rheims,
Mr. Patey answered: 'My information is that the Rheims concert was the only
time there was any trouble, and as far as I am aware the trouble was not from
the actual audience but from some people who came along to make trouble
deliberately, some kind of anarchist group or something. They also made the
mistake of admitting something like 5000 people and we shall cut that down
considerably. I see no reason why there should be trouble. The Rheims thing was
a pity, but I don't think it was anything to do with the music.' Again, there
was no actual fee in the hiring of Liverpool cathedral, and presumably this was
also the case at Coventry and York. As at Rheims, the promoters instead gave a
donation to the cathedral's fund.
The most famous of the UK cathedral concerts was perhaps the one at Coventry,
mainly due to the fact that the performance was filmed by Tony Palmer. It was
broadcast on BBC2 on 3rd October 1976, almost a year to the day later, but
strangely without the soundtrack from the actual concert. The story passed
among fans was that someone at the BBC either lost, or accidentally erased, the
original live soundtrack, and that what is actually heard on the film is simply
a copy of 'Ricochet' dubbed onto what was filmed. Maybe that is why the
introductory piano piece from 'Ricochet Part 2' is not included in the film. If
TD never performed this piece at Coventry, there would be no piece of film to
match up to the sound of a piano playing. Also, at the end of the film, when
the audience applause can be heard, the accompanying shots of the band do not
seem to be from the end of a concert. Instead of reclining in their seats,
acknowledging the audience, or glancing at each other, they still seem to be
concentrating on playing, even though, according to the film's soundtrack, the
music had already ended. All this adds to the story that the soundtrack heard
is not the one actually recorded on the night. Either way, the film was only
ever broadcast on that one occasion, causing fans to this day to make do with
poor quality fifth generation video copies of the now-legendary film.
After TD's run of five cathedral concerts in almost a year, the band decided to
take a break from playing in such venues, a break which has remained to this
day. Edgar Froese: 'The first time we ever did it was the best and now I think
after England we will stop doing it. Once you have done something and done it
well, there is no point in doing it again if you can't improve it. Peter
Baumann: 'We don't want to say exactly 'no more cathedrals' because there may
be one we don't know about that will have good acoustic possibilities, and
we'll try it again. There might be some nice little place on a little island
that we don't know about at all.'
Asked in 1988, in issue 4 of the band's fan club magazine 'The Tangible Dream',
if Edgar would ever consider playing in cathedrals again, he answers, ever true
to his maxim of never repeating stages in the band's history,: 'No!'
- Chris
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:17
pm
Subject: 'Christ' debut, Dali's Villa, Port Lligat, Spain [Jul 67] - The Ones?
This is directed specifically to Paul Fellows but I thought others might like
to comment -- knowledgeable people are requested to comment.
Paul, I was doing some routine checking of facts. In the process I fount that
on this page,
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/68-74.html
you have this entry for 1968
? [meaning date is unknown]
Port Lligat, Spain
Music z. Einweihung der 'Christus Statue' von Salvadore Dali
Here is what my chronology has for this occasion:
________________________________________________________________________
'Christ' debut, Dali's Villa, Port Lligat, Spain [Jul 67] - The Ones
_______
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Composed for the debut of Salvador Dali's 'Christ', a sculpture made
of rain barrels, bicycles and metal. - from an article by Stephan
Schelle, 'Rock News' magazine, No. 12, Oct-Dec, 2000.
________________________________________________________________________
The source citation: Stephan Schelle, is mainly for the date. Based on that
date and the fact that Tangerine Dream was 'born' on 29 Sep 67, I surmise that
the band that performed for the debut was The Ones, not Tangerine Dream,
HOWEVER, though I know when TD was 'born', I don't know when The Ones 'died'.
Also, though Edgar is credited with composing the music, I do not know who
actually performed the music for S. Dali and his guests. For all I know, it
could have been a hired orchestra!
The full quote is as follows:
'In July 1967 he [Edgar Froese] composed the music for the inauguration of
Dali's Christ statue, a sculpture made of rainbarrels, bicycles and metal.'
I reiterate: Knowledgeable people are requested to comment.
Ciao -- Mark
--
It's 2002. Do you know where Osama is?
From:
snowdog747@a...
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:01
am
Subject: Danger in Dream!!! Entrance
I apologize if this is a repeat of previous discussion, but I haven't been
reading many postings lately. I ordered a CD of of Synth Music Direct based
upon the review. CD is 'Danger in Dream''Entrance'. This is some of the best
music you will ever listen to. I can't stop playing it. Incredible sequencer
music. I thought some of Arcane's music was hard to beat, but Danger in Dream
is excellent from beginning to end. I have found a new favorite that will be
hard to top. It stirs your emotions like earlier TD. If only TD was still
cranking out 'sounds' like this!!!
Ben Graber
bgraber2@h...
snowdog747@a...
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales II
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fellows
>Very impressed, I look forward to
>receiving the whole thing :-)
Since Vol 1 was a 2 CD set, I'm assuming that Vol 2 will be, too. Given that,
when I receive Vol 2, that will allow me to spend a month featuring these discs
on my show.
Cheers,
Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:47
am
Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series
Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S
For the inaugural event of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital Decay will
appear in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located
in historic Bethlehem, the IceHouse is a wonderful venue for a concert of
spacemusic. This concert will be held on Saturday, February 16, 2002, starting
at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free
buffet dinner. Tickets at the door will be $10. A $2 discount will be given
for students with ID card and for members of WMUH and WDIY who show their
membership card. This is an all ages show. Advance tickets will be $8 (no
discounts), available at the Compact Disc Center located at 1365 Easton Ave.
near Linden St. in Bethlehem.
Orbital Decay consists of electric guitarist Tim Richardson and synthesist Terry
Furber of Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Originally founded in 1979, the year when
Skylab's orbit decayed in a firey return to Earth, the band is influenced by the
likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd. Terry and Tim create
improvisational electronic space music with the energy of fusion styles of the
70s. This means that Orbital Decay charts unexplored territory of sound and
mood.
Orbital Decay has three self-released CDR albums featuring their prolific studio
jam sessions. These CDRs were featured on EMUSIC in December, 2001, as part of
the Special Focus on Orbital Decay. On December 27th, Orbital Decay performed a
live, in-studio concert during EMUSIC on WDIY. They also performed on WXPN's
Star's End in Philadelphia last August. Listen to EMUSIC for more music from
Orbital Decay.
Directions to the IceHouse and information about the concert can be found at:
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html
For more information about Bethlehem, please visit http://www.bethtour.org/
For more information about the Lehigh Valley (Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton and
vicinity), please visit http://www.lehighvalleypa.org/index.html
Please forward this message to anyone who you think will be interested.
Best regards,
Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration.
Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
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From:
'Neil Hudson'
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 2:35
pm
Subject: Fake mp3s
Another fake mp3 that comes up from time to time is called something like
'X-Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G (live 1967)'. I ran a search on Google,
and it seems to be a Pink Floyd track.
On a related subject, I recently downloaded a track called 'Electronic
History 101 - 29-09-1968 Grugahall, Essen'. The result was seven and a half
minutes of a muffled 'Journey Through A Burning Brain'. Does a tape of this
concert actually exist, or are they all fakes?
Neil Hudson
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fake mp3s
> On a related subject, I recently downloaded a track called 'Electronic
> History 101 - 29-09-1968 Grugahall, Essen'.
Please forget the 'Electronic history' compilation & tracklisting, it was done
by somebody who was a bloody amateur in 1997 (yes... ME! ;-)
> The result was seven and a half minutes of a muffled 'Journey Through A
> Burning Brain'. Does a tape of this concert actually exist, or are they all
> fakes?
there exists a 36 minute radio broadcast of that show. The music is very
experimental and 'far out'.
Heiko
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:38
am
Subject: OT: Automatically set your system time - freeware.
Hi All. Tired of seeing your posts getting lost because your system time is off
by hours, days, or years? The following is an entirely painless and automatic
way to avoid time embarrassment.
There is an application for MS-Windows named Automachron. If someone finds
similar client software for Macintosh, please post information to the list to
help our Mac friends.
Automachron is an SNTP (simple network time protocol) client. I downloaded it
from Steeve McCauley (aka: One Guy Coding). It's freeware. There are others,
but I think this is the only one that has the option to automatically run upon
dialup connection. Most others are shareware, do not wait for dialup
connection, and for that matter, do not even run automatically.
For information: http://www.oneguycoding.com (the Automachron link is part way
down the page).
Note that since he can no longer support >10 GB of downloads per month (!!),
One Guy Coding requests download from one of the sites listed here:
http://www.oneguycoding.com/automachron/
The download is only 400 K-bytes.
How to configure Automachron
============================
Assuming you run Windows and have a dial-up connection to the Internet, you can
set it up as follows:
- Run on startup and wait until you go on-line (wait for dialup connection
option), then
- Contact the SNTP server of your choise, then
- Set the system time in your computer, then
- Quit, automatically (Close after Sync option).
Tip - Hosts: See Hosts section, below.
Tip - Set Options as follows:
X Quiet - run in background.
Report only - (why would anyone want this option?)
X Sync at startup - this is sync option (explained below).
X Close after sync - (explained below).
X Wait for dialup connection - if you have a dialup connection.
Broadcast client - if you are on a LAN that has a broadcast server/gateway.
X On top - so that if you reconfig, you don't have to put other windows away
to find it.
Systray icon - your choise here, I don't have this (unneeded really).
X Run at startup - otherwise, it must be run manually.
X Log - something to look at just in case there's an error (like your chosen
NTP host goes bust).
Verbose - this is up to you.
Sync at startup: This tells the program to compensate for average ping time
from the NTP host. Otherwise, it doesn't. Don't use this if you are on a LAN
that connects to the Internet through a gateway.
Close after sync: This tells the program not to hang around with nothing more
to do (duh!). (Hold 'CTRL' key down when launching to turn this option back off
so you can see and reconfigure Automachron.)
Hosts
=====
A list of worldwide, Public NTP Primary (stratum 1) Time Servers is here:
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock1.htm
and a list of worldwide, Public NTP Secondary (stratum 2) Time Servers is here:
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2.htm
or search the net for the exact string: 'Internet Time Service'.
Just in case you don't like Automachron, there's a comprehensive list of other
NTP client software here:
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/software/software.html
Let me know what you think of Automachron.
Ciao -- Mark (brought to you as a public service :-)
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From:
'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tech questions, etc. where to go... (OT)
At 17:09 26.01.02 , you wrote:
>Thought I'd throw this in for those who have questions on sound cards,
>etc.... check out www.kvr-vst.com - very cool forum for info related to
>various plug-in effects, virtual instruments, and host-related questions. A
>lot of good people there, including many developers (had Eric Pershing of
>Spectrasonics the other day)... etc.
>
*I will look into this.
>Question for Martin as a kind of tangent to your M-Tron comment... I though
>it might be fun to get your thoughts about some other softsynths...
>
>I love the PPG, of course!
>
*Me, too... I do heavily Eighties influenced goth rock with some bits of
operatic art rock thrown in - hence the PPG (very Ultravox/Visage-ish) plus
the M-Tron is perfect for me.
>Have you ever played with the Pentagon from RGC Audio? IMO opinion a
fabulous
>sounding synth and well worth checking out if you haven't yet!!!
>
*No, will try to get my hands on it. Have you tried the CronoX from
LinPlug? That´s a nice one, too, IMO. Or the Absynth... hard to get into
... but fabulous once you get the hang of it.
>Best regards,
>
>Wes
>aka Liondream
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:01
am
Subject: (OT) RE: [tadream] Tech questions, etc. where to go... (OT)
'cubase vst lovers' , do you know buzz, a virtual sequencer, similar to
cubase but freeware, with the possibilty to use vst instruments and
effects.
It has alot virtual synths and effects, available at
www.buzzmachines.com , so lovers of cubase, give it a try ;-)
Greetings
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: TDI MUSIC- Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...]
Sent: maandag 28 januari 2002 11:41
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tech questions, etc. where to go... (OT)
At 17:09 26.01.02 , you wrote:
>Thought I'd throw this in for those who have questions on sound cards,
>etc.... check out www.kvr-vst.com - very cool forum for info related to
>various plug-in effects, virtual instruments, and host-related
questions. A
>lot of good people there, including many developers (had Eric Pershing
of
>Spectrasonics the other day)... etc.
>
*I will look into this.
>Question for Martin as a kind of tangent to your M-Tron comment... I
though
>it might be fun to get your thoughts about some other softsynths...
>
>I love the PPG, of course!
>
*Me, too... I do heavily Eighties influenced goth rock with some bits of
operatic art rock thrown in - hence the PPG (very Ultravox/Visage-ish)
plus
the M-Tron is perfect for me.
>Have you ever played with the Pentagon from RGC Audio? IMO opinion a
fabulous
>sounding synth and well worth checking out if you haven't yet!!!
>
*No, will try to get my hands on it. Have you tried the CronoX from
LinPlug? That´s a nice one, too, IMO. Or the Absynth... hard to get into
... but fabulous once you get the hang of it.
>Best regards,
>
>Wes
>aka Liondream
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
'coldwatercanyon'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:38
pm
Subject: Wanted: Mars Polaris Mispress CD
Hello
Who has a spare of this CD available for swap?
Jeffrey
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:10
pm
Subject: 'Lucy in the sky' and The Ones
From: '3N'
Subject: Re: The 'Lucy in the sky with diamonds' Connection
> From:
> > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:41 -0500 Mark Filipak
> > writes:
> >
> > >Edgar has stated many times that the name 'Tangerine Dream'
> > >DID NOT come from 'Lucy in the sky with diamonds'.
> >
> > True, but he has also stated that the name 'Tangerine
> > Dream' DID come from 'Lucy in the sky with diamonds'.
>
> Yes, Mark has right, Stev has right, but finally _I_ have right - the Eddy's
> band name is directly from the title of record from band of sixtieth years
> band named Caleidoscope.
...and the following text line:
'...hush, the trees turn tangerine,
hush, the sky is suddenly green...'
is not from 'Lucy in the sky with diamonds', buit from the The Ones single
'Lady
Greengrass / Love of mine'...
Greetings
Peter
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Automatically set your system time - freeware.
In a message dated 1/28/02 5:40:14 AM, filipak@e... writes:
>Hi All. Tired of seeing your posts getting lost because your system time
>is off by hours, days, or years? The following is an entirely painless
>and automatic way to avoid time embarrassment.
>
>There is an application for MS-Windows named Automachron. If someone finds
>similar client software for Macintosh, please post information to the list
>to help our Mac friends.
This function is built into the Mac OS. In OS 9, it's in the Date & Time
control panel (check the 'use a network time server' checkbox). I don't have
OS X so I don't know the details there. For earlier Mac OS versions, there's
a shareware utility called NetChronometer that does the same thing. It can be
downloaded here:
http://www.kezer.net/netchrono.html
--Daniel
NP: Spock's Beard - V
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:38
pm
Subject: RE: (OT) RE: [tadream] Tech questions, etc. where to go... (OT)
> From: Hulshoff, Bert [mailto:bert.hulshoff@d...]
>
> 'cubase vst lovers' , do you know buzz, a virtual sequencer, similar to
> cubase but freeware, with the possibilty to use vst instruments and
> effects.
>
> It has alot virtual synths and effects, available at
> www.buzzmachines.com , so lovers of cubase, give it a try ;-)
I personally use no vst/plugins instruments at all.
I find it to much of a hassle.
I'm sure it is capable of great things, but if I can
(and want) I buy the real thing.
I just have something against doing things with a mouse,
especially with modular synths software...sorry but you
just can't beat the real thing how wonderful a softsynth
may be.
For the mellotron, I sampled each note full 7/8 seconds
incl. wobbles, clicks at the end, not so good tuned notes
from each other...I want it as pure as possible.
If I can only find a way to have my sampler sort of rewind
the sample and not always start at the beginning. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
Chris Owen wrote:
>
> (...)
> There might be some nice little place on a little island that we
> don't know about at all.'
Finally I can have some hope for seeing TD here in Madeira Island!!! We
have a nice cathedral, which was the first one built by the Portuguese
outside the mainland, in the XV century. A picture can be viewed here:
http://www.madeiraonweb.com/ingl/3inftur/32rotart/art1/centro/22.htm
> Asked in 1988, in issue 4 of the band's fan club magazine 'The
> Tangible Dream', if Edgar would ever consider playing in
> cathedrals again, he answers, ever true to his maxim of never
> repeating stages in the band's history,: 'No!'
Apparently he changed his mind last year, as he played in a church in
Bernau.
Thanks Chris for posting your article.
Antonio
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:35
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tour Dates (infamous Reims concert)
Morgan and Paul,
According to a review in the NY Times dated January 10, 1975:
'Tangerine Dream, the German avant-garde band, and Nico, the German
international pop-avant-garde chanteuse, joined for a concert last month in
France
[...]
the real item here is that the concert took place in Reims Cathedral...'
Judging from the date of the article, I'd say that 'last month' means
December. The article also mentions '...the cold that prevailed in the
cathedral...' which also lends support to the December date.
Full text of the article can be found on Scott Plumer's website at:
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/textfile/ny011075.txt
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
>
> Someone said that the 1974 Reims Cathedral concert in France is from
> September 13, 1974.
> Klaus B.'s website, your website, and James Owens websites
> all nail this as
> a December 13th, 1974 concert. I'd be curious to know for
> sure, although
> I'm pretty sure what the answer is. :)
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Automatically set your system time - freeware.
?
I seem to be getting the post in correct order?
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'Ambient' ; 'Beyond_EM'
; 'Spacemusic' ;
'Tadream'
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT: Automatically set your system time - freeware.
> Hi All. Tired of seeing your posts getting lost because your system time
is off by hours, days, or years? The following is an entirely painless and
automatic way to avoid time embarrassment.
>
> There is an application for MS-Windows named Automachron. If someone finds
similar client software for Macintosh, please post information to the list
to help our Mac friends.
>
> Automachron is an SNTP (simple network time protocol) client. I downloaded
it from Steeve McCauley (aka: One Guy Coding). It's freeware. There are
others, but I think this is the only one that has the option to
automatically run upon dialup connection. Most others are shareware, do not
wait for dialup connection, and for that matter, do not even run
automatically.
>
> For information: http://www.oneguycoding.com (the Automachron link is part
way down the page).
>
> Note that since he can no longer support >10 GB of downloads per month
(!!), One Guy Coding requests download from one of the sites listed here:
> http://www.oneguycoding.com/automachron/
>
> The download is only 400 K-bytes.
>
> How to configure Automachron
> ============================
> Assuming you run Windows and have a dial-up connection to the Internet,
you can set it up as follows:
> - Run on startup and wait until you go on-line (wait for dialup connection
option), then
> - Contact the SNTP server of your choise, then
> - Set the system time in your computer, then
> - Quit, automatically (Close after Sync option).
>
> Tip - Hosts: See Hosts section, below.
>
> Tip - Set Options as follows:
> X Quiet - run in background.
> Report only - (why would anyone want this option?)
> X Sync at startup - this is sync option (explained below).
> X Close after sync - (explained below).
> X Wait for dialup connection - if you have a dialup connection.
> Broadcast client - if you are on a LAN that has a broadcast
server/gateway.
> X On top - so that if you reconfig, you don't have to put other windows
away to find it.
> Systray icon - your choise here, I don't have this (unneeded really).
> X Run at startup - otherwise, it must be run manually.
>
> X Log - something to look at just in case there's an error (like your
chosen NTP host goes bust).
> Verbose - this is up to you.
>
> Sync at startup: This tells the program to compensate for average ping
time from the NTP host. Otherwise, it doesn't. Don't use this if you are on
a LAN that connects to the Internet through a gateway.
>
> Close after sync: This tells the program not to hang around with nothing
more to do (duh!). (Hold 'CTRL' key down when launching to turn this option
back off so you can see and reconfigure Automachron.)
>
> Hosts
> =====
> A list of worldwide, Public NTP Primary (stratum 1) Time Servers is here:
> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock1.htm
> and a list of worldwide, Public NTP Secondary (stratum 2) Time Servers is
here:
> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2.htm
>
> or search the net for the exact string: 'Internet Time Service'.
>
>
> Just in case you don't like Automachron, there's a comprehensive list of
other NTP client software here:
> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/software/software.html
>
> Let me know what you think of Automachron.
>
> Ciao -- Mark (brought to you as a public service :-)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
>
>
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Tour Dates
Idon't think TD played Reims Cathedral again after Dec. 74. I believe you
mean Reims Opera house in Sept 75. My understanding is that TD was banned
from the cathedral because of the mess.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> TD played the Reims Cathedral
> also in 1975, on
> September 23rd, so maybe this explains why some people got
> confused with the
> concert dates.
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
Antonio Nunes said ' Edgar ....apparently changed his mind last year, as he
played in a church in Bernau.'
Didn't they also play Gelsenkirchen some years ago? Did anyone here go?
David
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:24
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] 220 Volt
I saw the 92 tour, and while I can't recall who played what on each song, I
do recall that Zlatko and Jerome did play guitar simultaneously on at least
one song.
However I only recall Edgar playing guitar one time (perhaps on Hamlet); and
that was by himself.
MJ
> >Question though: in Backstreet Hero, who is playing the guitar parts?
> >There's some acoustic sections that are definitely Z-man, but
> there's one
> part
> >just after 5 minutes that sounds an awful lot like an Edgar
> riff, but it's
> very short
> >and followed by another guitar part that sounds like it could be
> Zlatko, but
> not
> >really.
> >I wonder if that's Jerome using a little of Dad's style and a little
> >Z-style?
>
> I don't have 220 Volt handy to check if I'm thinking of the same part you
> are, but the guitar solo in Backstreet Hero is indeed played by
> Jerome. You
> can see him play it on the Three Phase video, which I wish they
> would reissue
> on DVD.
>
> I also wish the Froeses would pick up their guitars more often these days.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Shadow Gallery - Society of the Mind
>
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>
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
The only gig in Gelsenkirchen (my native city) that I'm aware of was in
1981. I think Klaus Beschorner had a tape, but it's only about 20
minutes long, and I didn't have anything to trade at the time.
Dennis
On 28 Jan 2002 at 20:17, fozziebear wrote:
> Antonio Nunes said ' Edgar ....apparently changed his mind last year,
> as he played in a church in Bernau.'
>
>
> Didn't they also play Gelsenkirchen some years ago? Did anyone here
> go?
>
> David
>
>
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:01
am
Subject: Re: TD - live in various cathedrals
They certainly played at Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen 11.11.81 - about
30 minutes of White Eagle and Exit based material. If I remember
correctly, it includes a short interview with Edgar (in German of
course). Probably not a 'must have' recording. My personal favourite
Cathedral show is Coventry 75.
Regards
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote:
> The only gig in Gelsenkirchen (my native city) that I'm aware of
was in
> 1981. I think Klaus Beschorner had a tape, but it's only about 20
> minutes long, and I didn't have anything to trade at the time.
>
> Dennis
> >
> > Didn't they also play Gelsenkirchen some years ago? Did anyone
here
> > go?
> >
> > David
> >
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:52
pm
Subject: TD - live at Coventry cathedral
Chris, I enjoyed reading your article, so thanks for posting it. On
the subject of Coventry, the story I heard at the time was that TD
didn't want the raw music to be transmitted and required Ricochet to
be 'dubbed' on to the soundtrack despite the obvious lack of
synchronisation. Now, I know that a reasonable sound recording exists
of the concert, and I suspect that someone out there may have a
decent original video recording, so can we get the two back together ?
Toby
> TANGERINE DREAM - LIVE IN VARIOUS CATHEDRALS
>
>
> The most famous of the UK cathedral concerts was perhaps the one at
Coventry, mainly due to the fact that the performance was filmed by
Tony Palmer. It was broadcast on BBC2 on 3rd October 1976, almost a
year to the day later, but strangely without the soundtrack from the
actual concert. The story passed among fans was that someone at the
BBC either lost, or accidentally erased, the original live
soundtrack, and that what is actually heard on the film is simply a
copy of 'Ricochet' dubbed onto what was filmed. Maybe that is why the
introductory piano piece from 'Ricochet Part 2' is not included in
the film. If TD never performed this piece at Coventry, there would
be no piece of film to match up to the sound of a piano playing.
Also, at the end of the film, when the audience applause can be
heard, the accompanying shots of the band do not seem to be from the
end of a concert. Instead of reclining in their seats, acknowledging
the audience, or glancing at each other, they still seem to be
concentrating on playing, even though, according to the film's
soundtrack, the music had already ended. All this adds to the story
that the soundtrack heard is not the one actually recorded on the
night. Either way, the film was only ever broadcast on that one
occasion, causing fans to this day to make do with poor quality fifth
generation video copies of the now-legendary film.
]
From:
'Alvaro Valdes'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:01
am
Subject: federico-spain
dear all ,
i am federico valdes from spain
i recently lost all my files in the computer
could everyone who has traded with me please send me an email with email
address as well as website addy and list in case you have one ?
it would be really appreciated
thanks to all in advance
take care
federico
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:40
pm
Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series
Ahh, it's too bad we don't have something like this in or around Chicago. Blues
is cool, but not necessarily my bag.
:-(
<<
Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series
Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S
For the inaugural event of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital Decay will
appear in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island.
Located
in historic Bethlehem, the IceHouse is a wonderful venue for a concert of
spacemusic. This concert will be held on Saturday, February 16, 2002,
starting
at 8:00 pm.>>>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:48
pm
Subject: Tech questions more (OT)
I have the ChronoX and other Linplug products. All excellent stuff (even
daOrgan, which is a great alternative to the N-I B4).
Pentagon has something kind of like the ChronoX where you can load in your own
waveforms. You can get waveforms from Minimoogs, etc... has 4 osc per voice,
two filters, efx., etc.
I don't have Absynth because I'm on PC, but that will change in a couple months
when the PC version comes out!!!
<<
Subject: Re: Tech questions, etc. where to go... (OT)
At 17:09 26.01.02 , you wrote:
>Thought I'd throw this in for those who have questions on sound cards,
>etc.... check out www.kvr-vst.com - very cool forum for info related to
>various plug-in effects, virtual instruments, and host-related questions. A
>lot of good people there, including many developers (had Eric Pershing of
>Spectrasonics the other day)... etc.
>
*I will look into this.
>Question for Martin as a kind of tangent to your M-Tron comment... I though
>it might be fun to get your thoughts about some other softsynths...
>
>I love the PPG, of course!
>
*Me, too... I do heavily Eighties influenced goth rock with some bits of
operatic art rock thrown in - hence the PPG (very Ultravox/Visage-ish) plus
the M-Tron is perfect for me.
>Have you ever played with the Pentagon from RGC Audio? IMO opinion a
fabulous
>sounding synth and well worth checking out if you haven't yet!!!
>
*No, will try to get my hands on it. Have you tried the CronoX from
LinPlug? That´s a nice one, too, IMO. Or the Absynth... hard to get into
... but fabulous once you get the hang of it.
>Best regards,
>
>Wes
>aka Liondream>>>
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:02
pm
Subject: Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
Hi all,
With all the confusion about 'Tangerine trees and Marmalade Skies' I thought
I'd through another iron into the fire:
'Tangerine, Tangerine,
Living reflection from a dream;
I was her love, she was my queen,
And now a thousand years between.'
From 'Tangerine' by Led Zepplin
James
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
'Owens, James' wrote:
>
> With all the confusion about 'Tangerine trees and Marmalade Skies' I thought
> I'd through another iron into the fire:
>
> 'Tangerine, Tangerine,
> Living reflection from a dream;
> I was her love, she was my queen,
> And now a thousand years between.'
>
> From 'Tangerine' by Led Zepplin
Good try, but I think this song is from 1970 :-)
Antonio
From:
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Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Define CF shortly
I need to explain to Mr. Average shortly who Chris Franke is within the
space of let's say ten words.
My ideas so far are:
'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
'Some electronic music guru'
Can anyone think of a better one (s)?
John Vertical
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:08
pm
Subject: Re : 'Christ' debut, Dali's Villa, Port Lligat, Spain [Jul 67] - The Ones?
Hi all,
> you have this entry for 1968
>
> ? [meaning date is unknown]
> Port Lligat, Spain
> Music z. Einweihung der 'Christus Statue' von Salvadore Dali
First of all thanks to Mark for this very enlightening info about the
Genesis of TD (must be a quip in there somewhere)...
Looking back over the page, I've just realised that there is actually quite
a lot of German on it:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/68-74.html
Would one of the German fans be so kind as to translate the following
phrases (I can understand the general sense, but there are the odd few words
here and there I'm not sure of, maybe some of them are towns in Germany?):
Technische Hochschule (cafeteria) 1.TD- Aufritt
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:48:25 +0200 'John Vertical'
writes:
> I need to explain to Mr. Average shortly who Chris Franke is within
> the space of let's say ten words.
> My ideas so far are:
> 'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
> 'Some electronic music guru'
>
> Can anyone think of a better one (s)?
member of Tangerine Dream, did the music to BABYLON 5
> John Vertical
Steven Feldman
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:32
pm
Subject: Cyclone
I recently bought this and want now say something about it.
The intro in Bent Cold Sidewalk is a strange one, but in a good way. After
that the main theme is catchy, perhaps too poppy but othervise great.
Jollife's vocals are funny, surreal and sort of philosophical; not exactly
perfection but not far either. Here's by the way how I heard the first 4
lines on the first time:
'On this key, time will smile
Youngens' love, lose your mind
A desert dawn became sober
A Russian sound is bound inside'
Even werider than what they actually are. The middle section has some
resemblance sequence-vise to the time-vise corresponding section of Force
Majeure, ad it has an unique desolate feeling. The chorus gets some extra
edge from the additional horn this time around, and the rest goes quite
logically.
Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender (where the heck do they invent track
names like that from?) has a good background but not much other highlights.
Its length is just fine; any more would begin to get boring.
(Side Question: is it Klaus Krüger on the drums or not? I've heard both
statements..)
Madrigal Meridian is nigthmarish. I don't mean it's bad, I mean it's rather
like a soundtrack to a nightmare. Something you definetly shouldn't listen
to while reading a thriller at midnight. The raw intro already is promising,
the energetic main sequence(s) in all its metallic grindingness is great and
the melodies grasp one within. The fake intro once again reminds of Force
Majeure. Then the last flute-frosted sequence is incredibly sweet, I want
more! The very end then feels like a gag...
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
>member of Tangerine Dream, did the music to BABYLON 5
I meant explaining him to a person who knows nothing about electronic
music... not what TD is nor anything about Babylon 5... something anyone who
knows how to read will understand.
John Vertical
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
> >member of Tangerine Dream, did the music to BABYLON 5
>
> I meant explaining him to a person who knows nothing about electronic
> music... not what TD is nor anything about Babylon 5... something anyone
who
> knows how to read will understand.
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
Dennis. Can you clear this up. I have the gig as:
________________________________________________________________________
Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, Germany
[11 Nov 81] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
I think 'Gemeindezentrum' means 'Community Center', but I have no idea what
'Lukaskirche' means. Can you translate 'Lukaskirche'?
Also, 'Gelsenkirchen' is a town, right?
Was the gig in a church?
Thanks for any help you can give. -- Mark
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>
> The only gig in Gelsenkirchen (my native city) that I'm aware of was in
> 1981. I think Klaus Beschorner had a tape, but it's only about 20
> minutes long, and I didn't have anything to trade at the time.
>
> Dennis
>
> On 28 Jan 2002 at 20:17, fozziebear wrote:
>
> > Antonio Nunes said ' Edgar ....apparently changed his mind last year,
> > as he played in a church in Bernau.'
> >
> >
> > Didn't they also play Gelsenkirchen some years ago? Did anyone here
> > go?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
Songsmith for 'Babylon 5'. At least, that's how I deal with it. I would think
that the inventor of the techno rhythm would be Giogio Moroder. -- Mark
John Vertical wrote:
>
> I need to explain to Mr. Average shortly who Chris Franke is within the
> space of let's say ten words.
> My ideas so far are:
> 'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
> 'Some electronic music guru'
>
> Can anyone think of a better one (s)?
>
> John Vertical
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:20
pm
Subject: the inventor of the techno rhythm (was Define CF shortly)
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:59:58 -0500 Mark Filipak
writes:
>[. . .] I would think that the inventor of the techno rhythm
>would be Giogio Moroder. -- Mark
An interesting thing about that is that Moroder employed
an actual drummer, Keith Forsey (who since went on to fame
and fortune as the producer of Billy Idol's most successful
records), whose rhythms were so rocksteady that to the
untrained ear they sound(ed) like part of the overall
synthetic mix of Moroder's music.
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said
'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel
4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
I think you're right about the date.
However, it does point out how frequently the word
'tangerine was used in association with the word 'dream'
in music from that time period. The point here is that
Edgar could have gleaned it from practically anywhere,
since it seems to be a 'catch phrase' of sorts.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...]
>
> Good try, but I think this song is from 1970 :-)
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: Re: Re : 'Christ' debut, Dali's Villa, Port Lligat, Spain [Jul 67] -The Ones?
Well, I'm not German, Paul, but I can translate some of it. (My German friends:
see how I do, eh? I'm just learning...)
Paul Fellows wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> > you have this entry for 1968
> >
> > ? [meaning date is unknown]
> > Port Lligat, Spain
> > Music z. Einweihung der 'Christus Statue' von Salvadore Dali
>
> First of all thanks to Mark for this very enlightening info about the
> Genesis of TD (must be a quip in there somewhere)...
>
> Looking back over the page, I've just realised that there is actually quite
> a lot of German on it:
>
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/68-74.html
>
> Would one of the German fans be so kind as to translate the following
> phrases (I can understand the general sense, but there are the odd few words
> here and there I'm not sure of, maybe some of them are towns in Germany?):
>
> Technische Hochschule (cafeteria)
Technical Institute (not a cafeteria!)
> 1.TD- Aufritt'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus deutschen Landen'
'Germany Awakening - German Pop Music Takes Off'
('Landen' is usually 'arrive', but in aeronautics it is 'take off'... go
figure!... so I think it is 'German Pop Music Takes Off'.) I don't know what
'Aufritt' means.
Grugahalle 'Essener Song-Tage'
Sort of slang for 'Song Days of Essen'. Grugahalle is a building as 'halle'
means 'hall' but I don't know what 'Grugahalle' means. May be called after
someone named 'Grug'.
That's enough from me! -- Mark
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sounscapes Concert Series
-----Original Message-----
From: Liondream@a...
>Ahh, it's too bad we don't have something like this in or around Chicago. Blues
is cool, but not necessarily my bag.
>
>:-(
><< Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series
> Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S
I love The Gatherings organized by Chuck van Zyl. But it is a long drive to
Philly and not many people in my area make the trek like I do. Plus I want to
expand the concert opportunities for electronic musicians. Vic does Ricochet
Dreams in Georgia (went to the 2nd one, will go to the 3rd one) and Steve
Jenkins did the Hampshire Jam in the UK last year (went to it). Since I'm out
of work, I thought I'd try my hand at doing something in my area. LOTSA WORK!!!
But it'll probably be worth it.
So if there isn't anyone in your area who is crazier than you, good luck in
starting your own concert scene! :-) Is there any spacemusic on the radio in
your area?
Cheers,
Bill
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
Aha! I'm going to partially answer my own question...
Mark Filipak wrote:
>
> Dennis. Can you clear this up. I have the gig as:
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, Germany
> [11 Nov 81] - EF+CF+JS
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> I think 'Gemeindezentrum' means 'Community Center', but I have no idea what
'Lukaskirche' means. Can you translate 'Lukaskirche'?
'Kirche' is 'Church' of course. So it is a 'Church Community Center'.
Still don't know what the 'Lukas' part of 'Lukaskirche' means, though. -- Mark
> Also, 'Gelsenkirchen' is a town, right?
Of course it is Mark (ya dumb sod!). Dennis said it is his native city. -- Mark
> Was the gig in a church?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give. -- Mark
>
> Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> >
> > The only gig in Gelsenkirchen (my native city) that I'm aware of was in
> > 1981. I think Klaus Beschorner had a tape, but it's only about 20
> > minutes long, and I didn't have anything to trade at the time.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > On 28 Jan 2002 at 20:17, fozziebear wrote:
> >
> > > Antonio Nunes said ' Edgar ....apparently changed his mind last year,
> > > as he played in a church in Bernau.'
> > >
> > >
> > > Didn't they also play Gelsenkirchen some years ago? Did anyone here
> > > go?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
>Still don't know what the 'Lukas' part of 'Lukaskirche' means, though. -- Mark
Well, at least in Swedish* the four apostels credited with their
'own' gospel in the Bible are called; Markus, Lukas, Matteus, Johannes.
(That's Mark, Luke, Mathew and John for the anglo-speaking, I think(?))
Figured it out yet? ;)
*rather close to German, during the ages almost 2/3 of our 'native'
language are words adopted from the German language.
Rolf
BTW; Mark, thanks for sending me the chronology, I'll get back to
you with my comments later...
From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:24
pm
Subject: RE: Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
>I think you're right about the date.
>However, it does point out how frequently the word
>'tangerine was used in association with the word 'dream'
>in music from that time period. The point here is that
>Edgar could have gleaned it from practically anywhere,
>since it seems to be a 'catch phrase' of sorts.
>
>James
I've heard (more than once) that the name 'Tangerine Dream'
was attributed to a LSD-trip during the 'flower power'-era.
I don't know how much truth there is in this 'rumor' but it
could explain why it would be a catch phase about that time.
Rolf
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
Well then. I suppose that
________________________________________________________________________
Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, Germany
[11 Nov 81] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
is Saint Luke's Church Community Center in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. Sounds like
a church annex (a building near the church and owned by the church, but not the
actual church itself).
Can anyone in or near Gelsenkirchen confirm this? -- Dennis?
-- Mark
Rolf Elfström wrote:
>
> >Still don't know what the 'Lukas' part of 'Lukaskirche' means, though. --
Mark
>
> Well, at least in Swedish* the four apostels credited with their
> 'own' gospel in the Bible are called; Markus, Lukas, Matteus, Johannes.
> (That's Mark, Luke, Mathew and John for the anglo-speaking, I think(?))
> Figured it out yet? ;)
>
> *rather close to German, during the ages almost 2/3 of our 'native'
> language are words adopted from the German language.
>
> Rolf
>
> BTW; Mark, thanks for sending me the chronology, I'll get back to
> you with my comments later...
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From:
Olav Neander
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Re : 'Christ' debut, Dali's Villa, Port Lligat, Spain [Jul 67] -The Ones?
Mark Filipak wrote:
>(My German friends: see how I do, eh? I'm just learning...)
>
Not bad :-)
>>1.TD- Aufritt'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus deutschen Landen'
>>
>
>'Germany Awakening - German Pop Music Takes Off'
>('Landen' is usually 'arrive', but in aeronautics it is 'take off'... go
figure!... so I think it is 'German Pop Music Takes Off'.)
>
No, it means 'from german countries', 'Landen' is unusual in common
speech, but it has the same origin as 'land'...
> I don't know what 'Aufritt' means.
>
Truly misspelled 'Auftritt' and it means gig'.
Ok, maybe that's a supplement to your great translation...
BTW, I'm glad that I finally found this mailing list, I've been a TD fan
since 1976, and Ricochet is still my favourite album...
Best wishes, Olav
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
In a message dated 1/29/02 12:49:37 PM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>I need to explain to Mr. Average shortly who Chris Franke is within the
>space of let's say ten words.
>My ideas so far are:
>'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
Hmm... no.
I would probably say he's 'an influential synthesist who helped to pioneer
the use of repeating sequences of notes in electronic music as simultaneously
melodic and rhythmic, and is now more of an orchestral/soundtrack composer.'
That's way more than ten words, though.
--Daniel
NP: Page and Plant - No Quarter
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Define CF shortly
For Mr. Average, eh? How about this:
Christoph Franke: A drummer who bought a Moog sythesizer from Mick Jagger.
That just about says it all, doesn't it? ;-)
-- Mark
John Vertical wrote:
>
> I need to explain to Mr. Average shortly who Chris Franke is within the
> space of let's say ten words.
> My ideas so far are:
> 'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
> 'Some electronic music guru'
>
> Can anyone think of a better one (s)?
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:54
pm
Subject: Re: Cyclone
Cyclone is a very special LP for me as it marked my first purchase of
a TD album way back in 84. Just seeing the words Oberheim and
sequencers for me meant that it was something else I could grab onto
other than the Jarres and Vangelis materials that I knew about at the
time.
Cyclone gets such a bad rap in my opinion. The vocals are different
to say the least but the musicianship is far and away above anything
I've heard from TD. When i listen to this LP, I feel a mixture of
feelings, lots of different images esp on Madrigal Meridian which has
some great Solina Ensemble all over it...wish my own Solina worked!!
Joliffe is an incredible flute player, horn player etc etc... I
could listen to his playing for the rest of my life. I wouldn't be
surprised if the TD old guard were a bit miffed that this LP sounded
like it was all Joliffe. I can't believe that Edgar feels it
shouldn't have been released (as I've read).
This LP was pivotal in my development as a musician and a music
lover. It ranks up there as my fav TD LP along with Encore, the
textures of the sound are incredible with violin sounds and massed
horns.. very medieval sounding in places.. and very English sounding
too.
The drums/sequencer combination also made it a much more dynamic
affair than other LPs. Wish there was more like this about..
Peace
Orangefunk
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:26
am
Subject: Re: Define CF shortly
> space of let's say ten words.
> My ideas so far are:
> 'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
> 'Some electronic music guru'
>
I wouldn't necessarily say he was the inventor of the techno rhythm
in the sense of drum beats (there were many bands utilising drum
boxes even back in 72) , but yes definitely in terms of pulsating
filter sequencer patterns.
Its hard to say who did what in TD as all I have *seen* were the
Poland concerts and later where it didn't seem like anyone was
playing that much live.
The early years seemed to be totally different... I'm amazed at the
variety of music on the bootlegs I've heard.. even Edgars piano
playing is far far better than I would have thought from listening to
the official recordings.
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] current poll
Not if I have to accept cookies. Sorry. My vote would have gone to Rare
Visions, but as it is in no way in the running it doesn't matter anyway. 8-)
Dell
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:30
am
Subject: Re: Edgar's piano playing (was 'Define CF shortly')
In a message dated 1/29/02 7:31:24 PM, orangefunk_2000@y... writes:
>The early years seemed to be totally different... I'm amazed at the
>variety of music on the bootlegs I've heard.. even Edgars piano
>playing is far far better than I would have thought from listening to
>the official recordings.
There's a pretty impressive piano solo at the end of 'Invisible Limits' from
Stratosfear. The liner notes seem to say it's Edgar.
I wonder why he doesn't seem to play keyboard solos anymore.
--Daniel
NP: Baumann - Haunted Heights
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:38
am
Subject: Re: Edgar's piano playing (was 'Define CF shortly')
> There's a pretty impressive piano solo at the end of 'Invisible
Limits' from
> Stratosfear. The liner notes seem to say it's Edgar.
>
> I wonder why he doesn't seem to play keyboard solos anymore.
Yeah thats true, but on the 76 bootlegs he gets into a much more
atonal Joachim Kuhn/Cecil Taylor thing at times.. I was really
surprised. Very very passionate,,
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:41
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Sounscapes Concert Series
And don't forget the Gatherings in Philly... This seasons schedule includes
Robert Rich, Erik Wollo, and Steve Roach... It could be worth the
drive...even from Chicago...
MJ (a former Chicagoan who misses hearing 'real' blues)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:41 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Sounscapes Concert Series
>
>
> Ahh, it's too bad we don't have something like this in or around
> Chicago. Blues is cool, but not necessarily my bag.
>
> :-(
>
>
> << Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:47:37 -0500
> From: 'Bill Fox'
> Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series
>
> Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S
>
> For the inaugural event of the Soundscapes Concert Series,
> Orbital Decay will
> appear in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island.
> Located
> in historic Bethlehem, the IceHouse is a wonderful venue for a concert of
> spacemusic. This concert will be held on Saturday, February 16, 2002,
> starting
> at 8:00 pm.>>>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:48
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Sounscapes Concert Series
The only regular performance of any space music in Chicago was Bil
Vermette's regular appearances at various Border's locations... It might be
nice to schedule him for a future date in Philly...
MJ (A fan of Bil's since 1984)
>
> So if there isn't anyone in your area who is crazier than you,
> good luck in
> starting your own concert scene! :-) Is there any spacemusic on
> the radio in
> your area?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:18
am
Subject: translations
Mark's last theory about Gelsenkirchen was entirely correct.
>1.TD- Auf_t_ritt'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus deutschen Landen'
Olav came very close, but it's not literally translateable,
it's a pun. 'Aus deutschen Landen frisch auf den Tisch' was
the omnipresent advertisement slogan for german-produced vegetables
and meat at the time.
regards
klaus
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From:
'brissiecol'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:37
am
Subject: Tree sign-up
Folks - can someone add me to the tree (I'm having trouble getting my
details on tadream/tree as 61 browser windows pop-up every time I do
it). My details are:
Colin Anderson
Australia
Branch
3 copies
Redbook
Thanks
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] translations
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> Mark's last theory about Gelsenkirchen was entirely correct.
>
> >1.TD- Auf_t_ritt'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus deutschen Landen'
>
> Olav came very close, but it's not literally translateable,
> it's a pun. 'Aus deutschen Landen frisch auf den Tisch' was
> the omnipresent advertisement slogan for german-produced vegetables
> and meat at the time.
Thanks Klaus! This reminds me of a (forgotten) album containing 'Fresh Fruit'.
So how's this for the chronology entry:
________________________________________________________________________
'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus deutschen Landen', -venue?-
[26 Sep 68] - EF+KH+VH+SJ
_______
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Translation is literally: 'Germany Awakening - Pop Music from German
lands', but it is really a pun roughly meaning: 'Germany Awakening -
German Pop Music from the Country, Fresh to the Table' bringing to
mind 'Aus deutschen Landen frisch auf den Tisch', a ubiquitous 60's
advertising slogan promoting German farm produce.
Also: Amon Düül and Guru Guru.
________________________________________________________________________
(This is fun.) -- Mark (wierd)
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
I'm not living in Gelsenkirchen any more and I don't know where the Lukaskirche
is (Gelsenkirchen is a big place). A Gemeindezentrum could be either a meeting
house attached to the church (as your interpretation correctly suggests) or it
could even be a church building that doesn't look like a church.
As an explanation, it has to be pointed out that Gelsenkirchen is a fairly big
and very poor city. Many of the church buildings in the younger districts of
town were built on a minimum budget and don't look anything like churches. The
church I used to go to was an angular, red-brick building with no naves, pews,
stained glass windows or any of the things normally associated with church
architecture, and it had the congregation room on the first floor with a
slightly raised wooden table as an altar and some chairs for the congregation.
Because these buildings are often multifunctional and not just used for
services but also for church groups, community meetings et cetera, they are
often called Gemeindezentrum rather than church.
When I'm next in Gelsenkirchen, I'll try to find out for you where this
building is.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: 29 January 2002 20:42
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD - live in various cathedrals
> Well then. I suppose that
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, Germany
> [11 Nov 81] - EF+CF+JS
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> is Saint Luke's Church Community Center in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. Sounds
like a church annex (a building near the church and owned by the church, but
not the actual church itself).
>
> Can anyone in or near Gelsenkirchen confirm this? -- Dennis?
>
> -- Mark
>
> Rolf Elfström wrote:
> >
> > >Still don't know what the 'Lukas' part of 'Lukaskirche' means, though. --
Mark
> >
> > Well, at least in Swedish* the four apostels credited with their
> > 'own' gospel in the Bible are called; Markus, Lukas, Matteus, Johannes.
> > (That's Mark, Luke, Mathew and John for the anglo-speaking, I think(?))
> > Figured it out yet? ;)
> >
> > *rather close to German, during the ages almost 2/3 of our 'native'
> > language are words adopted from the German language.
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> > BTW; Mark, thanks for sending me the chronology, I'll get back to
> > you with my comments later...
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:50
pm
Subject: Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, 11 Nov 81
Thanks for your comprehensive explanation, Dennis (re: TD - live in various
cathedrals).
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> When I'm next in Gelsenkirchen, I'll try to find out for you where this
building is.
Where it is, is not really important. What it is, is what I'm interested in.
About the gig
=============
LOOK WHAT I FOUND...
11.11.81 GELSENKIRCHEN-HASSEL 'MUSIK THEATER' (IM GEMEINDEZENTRUM LUKASKIRCHE)
I found it here:
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Ustalone_koncerty_TD/ustalone_koncerty_td.html
Does anyone know anything about this 'MUSIK THEATER'? Rather than being a
church, might Lukaskirche be a neighborhood or district, instead?
About Hassel
============
There are 12 towns in Germany named Hassel (the numbers are the order that they
come up in a VectorGlobe search).
In Niedersachsen:
#1 - 14 km NNW of Oldenburg.
#3 - 43 km E of Bremen.
#4 - 24 km SSW of Bremen.
#7 - 42 km S of Bremen.
#11 - 40 km SE of Bremen.
#6 - 14 km NNW of Celle.
In Sachsen-Anhalt:
#9 - 5 km ENE of Stendal.
#2 - 50 km S of Halle.
In Mordrhein-Westfalen:
#5 - 9 km N of Gelsenkirchen.
#10 - 16 km NNE of Dortmund.
#12 - 22 km SSW of Essen.
In Saarland:
#8 - 13 km ENE of Saarbrücken.
Number 5 appears to be only 9 km north of Gelsenkirchen, so I can well imagine
it would be called Gelsenkirchen-Hassel, however, VectorGlobe can't seem to
decide whether that town is named Hassel or Buer, so I'm not sure.
Ah, well. I can't do anything more from here in the USA.
Tasks
=====
Anyone with a good German road map should be able to fairly easily determine
whether all of these 12 different Hassels actually exist, especially #5.
Anyone near Essen should be able to find out whether Lukaskirche is actually a
district. VectorGlobe doesn't have anything on 'Lukaskirche'.
Will you help?
Thanks -- Mark
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:57
pm
Subject: 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
The last 2 entries on this page:
http://www.ctio.noao.edu/~claudio/td/td.html
are 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'.
Anyone know what these are?
Ciao & Thanks -- Mark
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From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 2:33
pm
Subject: Re: Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
Hi, Rolf!
>I've heard (more than once) that the name 'Tangerine Dream'
>was attributed to a LSD-trip during the 'flower power'-era.
>I don't know how much truth there is in this 'rumor' but it
>could explain why it would be a catch phase about that time.
I've always toyed with the idea that the name 'Tangerine Dream' was in
some way (more or less) influenced by LSD. Back in the 60's and 70's
there was an LSD trip called 'Orange L'. Although I've never tried
'Orange L', I've heard from several people who have that it was a
particularly 'fun' trip...
This could possibly be an explanation as to why EF has never explained
how Tangerine Dream got its name...
It would be great if EF were to answer this mystery (among other
mysteries)...
...Utch
--------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
I don't mind what language an opera is sung in so long as it is a language I
don't understand. --Sir Edward Appleton
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:20
pm
Subject: Re: Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
I don't really care about the origin of the name 'tangerine dream'. I just
think it's an incredibly creative name. It manages to be quite absurd
without exaggerating.
> I've always toyed with the idea that the name 'Tangerine Dream' was in
> some way (more or less) influenced by LSD. Back in the 60's and 70's
> there was an LSD trip called 'Orange L'. Although I've never tried
> 'Orange L', I've heard from several people who have that it was a
> particularly 'fun' trip...
>
> This could possibly be an explanation as to why EF has never explained
> how Tangerine Dream got its name...
>
> It would be great if EF were to answer this mystery (among other
> mysteries)...
>
> ...Utch
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 2:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> The last 2 entries on this page:
>
> http://www.ctio.noao.edu/~claudio/td/td.html
>
> are 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'.
>
> Anyone know what these are?
IIRC, Twilight Folder would have contained rare material from 1984-2000 and
Star Trooper would have been TD playing classical pieces. Unfortunately both
were scrapped late last year.
Maff
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
> > The last 2 entries on this page:
> >
> > http://www.ctio.noao.edu/~claudio/td/td.html
> >
> > are 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'.
> >
> > Anyone know what these are?
>
> IIRC, Twilight Folder would have contained rare material from 1984-2000 and
> Star Trooper would have been TD playing classical pieces. Unfortunately both
> were scrapped late last year.
If you mean that these are official releases that didn't happen, Claudio has
pictures of the CD inserts. Check it out. I can't conceive of how there could
be pictures unless these CDs actually came out. But maybe so. Just thought I'd
ask. -- Mark
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From:
TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 4:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
At 10:53 30.01.02 , you wrote:
>Matthew Sawyer wrote:
>> From: 'Mark Filipak'
>> > The last 2 entries on this page:
>> >
>> > http://www.ctio.noao.edu/~claudio/td/td.html
>> >
>> > are 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'.
>> >
>> > Anyone know what these are?
>>
>> IIRC, Twilight Folder would have contained rare material from 1984-2000 and
>> Star Trooper would have been TD playing classical pieces. Unfortunately
both
>> were scrapped late last year.
>
>If you mean that these are official releases that didn't happen, Claudio
has pictures of the CD inserts. Check it out. I can't conceive of how there
could be pictures unless these CDs actually came out. But maybe so. Just
thought I'd ask. -- Mark
>
Dear Mark,
the explanation is rather simple - Edgar had the concept for the releases
already finished and the cover artwork done but then they were scrapped
because 'Inferno' took all the group´s time.
Hope this helps to avoid misunderstandings or confusion.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> If you mean that these are official releases that didn't happen,
> Claudio has pictures of the CD inserts. Check it out. I can't conceive
> of how there could be pictures unless these CDs actually came
> out. But maybe so. Just thought I'd ask. -- Mark
Those cover images were shown on the TDI website for a few months in the
'coming soon' section before they were eventually deleted.
Maff
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Star Trooper and Twilight Folder
Yes I recall seeing those images on the TDI site in the coming soon section...
My guess is that some or all of Twilight Folder ended up as the 'new' tracks on
Eye Box, and fragments of Star Trooper may have ended up on Ambient Monkeys and
Hollywood Years... I would have liked to hear the rest...
I have heard some music recorded before the Warsaw show in August. Does anyone
know if these are TD compositions (sort of a Ambient Monkeys 2), or just
assorted sounds?
MJ
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> If you mean that these are official releases that didn't happen,
> Claudio has pictures of the CD inserts. Check it out. I can't conceive
> of how there could be pictures unless these CDs actually came
> out. But maybe so. Just thought I'd ask. -- Mark
Those cover images were shown on the TDI website for a few months in the
'coming soon' section before they were eventually deleted.
Maff
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 7:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, 11 Nov 81
Your resourcefulness amazes me, Mark!
This clears it all up. Hassel is an area that has traditionally belonged to
the town of Buer, which was in turn joined to Gelsenkirchen many years
ago. Consequently, both Buer and Hassel are accurate descriptions of
where the venue is located. Buer is the northern district of
Gelsenkirchen, and I used to go to school there. Hassel, in turn, is - if
memory serves - the northernmost part of Buer. I've only ever been
there on a handful of occasions, though.
I'm pretty sure that Lukaskirche refers to a church rather than a sub-
district of a sub-district of a sub-district of a city...my aunt works in a
church office, so I'm sure I can find out for you.
'Musiktheater' is more difficult to explain. Gelsenkirchen prides itself in
an institution called the 'Musiktheater', a theatre in the south part of
town that specialises in opera and other musical forms of drama. What
this has to do with a concert in a church building at the opposite end of
town, I just can't imagine. Maybe it's a pun on music and theatre, as
they are combined in the music on display. But this is just speculation.
Dennis
On 30 Jan 2002 at 8:50, Mark Filipak wrote:
> Thanks for your comprehensive explanation, Dennis (re: TD - live in
> various cathedrals).
>
> Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> > When I'm next in Gelsenkirchen, I'll try to find out for you where
> > this building is.
>
> Where it is, is not really important. What it is, is what I'm
> interested in.
>
>
> About the gig
> =============
> LOOK WHAT I FOUND...
>
> 11.11.81 GELSENKIRCHEN-HASSEL 'MUSIK THEATER' (IM GEMEINDEZENTRUM
> LUKASKIRCHE)
>
> I found it here:
> http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Ustalone_koncerty_TD/ustalone_koncerty
> _td.html
>
> Does anyone know anything about this 'MUSIK THEATER'? Rather than
> being a church, might Lukaskirche be a neighborhood or district,
> instead?
>
>
> About Hassel
> ============
> There are 12 towns in Germany named Hassel (the numbers are the order
> that they come up in a VectorGlobe search).
>
> In Niedersachsen:
> #1 - 14 km NNW of Oldenburg.
> #3 - 43 km E of Bremen.
> #4 - 24 km SSW of Bremen.
> #7 - 42 km S of Bremen.
> #11 - 40 km SE of Bremen.
> #6 - 14 km NNW of Celle.
>
> In Sachsen-Anhalt:
> #9 - 5 km ENE of Stendal.
> #2 - 50 km S of Halle.
>
> In Mordrhein-Westfalen:
> #5 - 9 km N of Gelsenkirchen.
> #10 - 16 km NNE of Dortmund.
> #12 - 22 km SSW of Essen.
>
> In Saarland:
> #8 - 13 km ENE of Saarbrücken.
>
> Number 5 appears to be only 9 km north of Gelsenkirchen, so I can well
> imagine it would be called Gelsenkirchen-Hassel, however, VectorGlobe
> can't seem to decide whether that town is named Hassel or Buer, so I'm
> not sure.
>
> Ah, well. I can't do anything more from here in the USA.
>
>
> Tasks
> =====
> Anyone with a good German road map should be able to fairly easily
> determine whether all of these 12 different Hassels actually exist,
> especially #5.
>
> Anyone near Essen should be able to find out whether Lukaskirche is
> actually a district. VectorGlobe doesn't have anything on
> 'Lukaskirche'.
>
> Will you help?
>
> Thanks -- Mark
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen, 11 Nov 81
sounds like more Hassel than it's worth.
> -----Original Message-----
> About Hassel
> ============
> There are 12 towns in Germany named Hassel (the numbers are
> the order that they come up in a VectorGlobe search).
> however, VectorGlobe can't seem to decide whether that town
> is named Hassel or Buer, so I'm not sure.
> Ah, well. I can't do anything more from here in the USA.
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:12
pm
Subject: Buer-Hassel
>called Gelsenkirchen-Hassel, however, VectorGlobe can't seem to decide
>whether that town is named Hassel or Buer, so I'm not sure.
Man, I've known anal types, but does the pain not get too much
to bear at times ? ;-)
(No need for outrage on anybody's part xcept Mark's, we know each other!)
Hassel is a part of Buer, itself an administrative subsection
of Gelsenkirchen. The so-called 'Gemeindereform' in Germany in the
early 70s centralized the communal ends of government a lot.
If you live in Hassel, and want to register your newly bought car,
you go to Buer, where an outpost of the Gelsenkirchen city (and
'county' - Land/Stadtkreis) authorities will issue you a GE - xxx nn
license plate. For the soccer fans: Schalke is also a subsection
of Gelsenkirchen.
Where's The Radio City Music Hall, exactly ? Lower East Side ?
Is that really a part of New York City... etc etc ad infinitum ad
nauseam....
cheers,
klaus ;-)
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:14
pm
Subject: Gelsenkirchen-Hassel; Buer-Hassel; no hassle at all! :-)
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>
> This clears it all up. Hassel is an area that has traditionally belonged to
> the town of Buer, which was in turn joined to Gelsenkirchen many years
> ago. Consequently, both Buer and Hassel are accurate descriptions of
> where the venue is located. Buer is the northern district of
> Gelsenkirchen, and I used to go to school there. Hassel, in turn, is - if
> memory serves - the northernmost part of Buer. I've only ever been
> there on a handful of occasions, though.
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> Hassel is a part of Buer, itself an administrative subsection
> of Gelsenkirchen. The so-called 'Gemeindereform' in Germany in the
> early 70s centralized the communal ends of government a lot.
Hey folks! This is what is so great about the net. An age old question has
almost been cleared up in one day! And when Dennis talks with his aunt, it
*will* all be cleared up.
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>
> Your resourcefulness amazes me, Mark!
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> Man, I've known anal types, but does the pain not get too much
> to bear at times ? ;-)
~LOL~ Only when I laugh too hard, Klaus. (Ooops! Is there a proctologist in the
house?)
Ciao -- Mark 'Sherlock' Filipak (pleased as punch! With thanks to Dennis and
Klaus!)
PS: BTW, I wrote to the fellow in Poland who posted '11.11.81
GELSENKIRCHEN-HASSEL 'MUSIK THEATER' (IM GEMEINDEZENTRUM LUKASKIRCHE)' on his
web page and he doesn't have a clue. He just copied someone else's data. -- M.
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:21
pm
Subject: Chronology
Mark, you seem to have a heck of a grasp on notes about various concert
venues and dates.
I have been correlating the tome of knowledge at Paul Fellows website,
along with James Owens and Klaus Beschorner's bootlegography.
I know this is a little strange as I am hardly the well-versed TD fan and
maybe not the best person for this job, but I am really hoping to set up a
website that melds all the interesting information about each and every
venue and information about the recordings that exist of such venues.
As I've said in other posts, virtually all of the CD and vinyl bootlegs
seem to be being replaced rapidly with more complete, lower-generation
recordings of entire concerts (instead of excerpts, as the vinyl and CDs
often were) and it's getting confusing for collectors to know what they're
getting.
I've got the desire and motivation to start building some kind of database
that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see all
relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a list of the
most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to the right venue.
I know it sounds like a monstrosity, but I'd like to at least try.
I know that quite a few of these concerts will never see the light of day
in their best possible (first generation, equalized and pitch-adjusted)
form, but it would be nice to document what IS available.
Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description and time
index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder to deal with
any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and Poland concerts!).
Is there a desire for this?
Am I being redundant?
Should I be just trying to write and research addenda to existing websites?
-Morgan
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Buer-Hassel
You know a lot about Schalke country, Klaus. Where do you live?
Dennis
On 30 Jan 2002 at 21:12, Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> >called Gelsenkirchen-Hassel, however, VectorGlobe can't seem to
> decide >whether that town is named Hassel or Buer, so I'm not sure.
>
>
> Man, I've known anal types, but does the pain not get too much
> to bear at times ? ;-)
>
> (No need for outrage on anybody's part xcept Mark's, we know each
> other!)
>
> Hassel is a part of Buer, itself an administrative subsection
> of Gelsenkirchen. The so-called 'Gemeindereform' in Germany in the
> early 70s centralized the communal ends of government a lot.
>
> If you live in Hassel, and want to register your newly bought car, you
> go to Buer, where an outpost of the Gelsenkirchen city (and 'county' -
> Land/Stadtkreis) authorities will issue you a GE - xxx nn license
> plate. For the soccer fans: Schalke is also a subsection of
> Gelsenkirchen.
>
> Where's The Radio City Music Hall, exactly ? Lower East Side ?
> Is that really a part of New York City... etc etc ad infinitum ad
> nauseam....
>
> cheers,
> klaus ;-)
>
>
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chronology
I believe if any fan has the motivation to compile information about
Tangerine Dream, then this is a very worthwhile effort. I would enjoy
having access to just such a site that Morgan proposes.
> I've got the desire and motivation to start building some kind of database
> that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see all
> relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a list of the
> most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to the right
venue.
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
Weren't they the TDI albums that were deleted before they were even
released?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'Tadream'
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:57 AM
Subject: [tadream] 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'
> The last 2 entries on this page:
>
> http://www.ctio.noao.edu/~claudio/td/td.html
>
> are 'Star Trooper' and 'Twilight Folder'.
>
> Anyone know what these are?
>
> Ciao & Thanks -- Mark
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chronology
What I would like to do is
take all the facts that can be gathered, place into a sql database then
pop it onto one of my web servers that has mysql running for access
via web search / query
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:12
pm
Subject: where's raid city...
>Where's The Radio City Music Hall, exactly ? Lower East Side ?
Is that really a part of New York City... etc etc ad infinitum ad
nauseam....<
being a geographically ignorant american I couldn't say but then at least
I'm not confused by the borders of Konstanz--that is to say no matter how
much bavarians think other wise--bavaria is not a country even if
www.lake-constance.com
thinks it is
--T
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:24
pm
Subject: re: Chronology
ok, there's at least one correction I'd like to clear up the coach house is
in san juan capistrano california (where the swallows return to the mission
sjc every year) not san juan,usa as in pfellows website for the 1992
concert or was it 1988?
anyway, their web addy is
thecoachhouse.com
oh and paul, yes I still haven't sent you a copy of my ticket stub for the
music in the movies TD concert from November 1986....
^^^^
--T
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:56
pm
Subject: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for the
tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good database design,
and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In other words:
* what categories are we trying to define? -->
* what tables should be included in the db?
* what fields in those tables?
but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on their site -
and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
...
> I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> kind of database
> that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see all
> relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> list of the
> most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> the right venue....
> Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> and time
> index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> to deal with
> any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> Poland concerts!).
>
> Is there a desire for this?
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chronology -- sample (long post)
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> Mark, you seem to have a heck of a grasp on notes about various concert
> venues and dates.
-snip-
> Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description and time
> index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder to deal with
> any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and Poland concerts!).
You mean, like the two entries below?
First, I want to make a pitch. There are boot lists and there are soundtrack
lists and there are album lists, but breaking up TD's history like that didn't
give me the 'big picture'. I want to know what the band was doing every day. So
I decided to start my chronology. It is now 387 k-bytes of pure text. It needs
updating, and for that I'd appreciate help.
I have found this chronology to be extremely insightful. When you get the 'big
picture', some mysteries solve themselves.
The principles behind the chronology are these:
1 - Email friendly: 74 characters per line and plain text.
2 - Contains all of the band's activities, including sessions, shows,
broadcasts, interviews, and appearances -- in short, everything the band did as
a unit -- in date order.
3 - Contains notes to help interpret what the band members thought and how they
felt.
4 - A consistent format so that a PERL script or a Snobol or Spitbol (my
language of choise) or some other string processing program can be written to
utilize it as a database.
5 - HUMAN READABLE, for folks who just want to see it and search it with a word
processor.
6 - Extremely compact.
I started this in 1966, when I first joined the list when it was hosted by the
University of Wisconsin, Parkside campus (remember that?). Of course, I raided
everyone else's lists, and I give credit at the beginning of mine.
Unfortunately, my 2 year break set back my plans a bit.
FOR THE DOMINION SHOW: (I'm patiently waiting to hear a copy of 'The Real
'Logos' Concert, Dominion Theatre, London 06.11.82' before I update this
information.)
________________________________________________________________________
Dominion Theatre, London [early evening, 6 Nov 82] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
Dominion Theatre, London [late evening, 6 Nov 82] - EF+CF+JS
_______
__/ Set 1 \_______________________ 9 Logos-Velvet [4:56]
(intro/atmosphere) [1:05] (bridge 9-10) [2:17]
1 Hijack [3:24] 10 Logos-Red [6:19]
(bridge 1-2) [0:58] ('Wake up!')
2 Rush of Joy [5:00] 11 Logos-Blue [5:28]
(bridge 2-3) [1:36] (bridge 11-12) [4:55]
3 Desert Run [4:15] 12 Logos 12 [4:14]
(bridge 3-4) [0:36] (bridge 12-13) [0:27]
4 Renewed Purpose [3:36] 13 Logos 13 [6:51]
5 Dreamscape [5:10] (bridge 13-14) [0:05]
(bridge 5-6) [1:00] 14 Logos 14 [2:32]
6 Choronzon [8:08] _________
7 Tangent [3:28] __/ Encores \_____________________
_______ 15 Midnight in Tula [3:45]
__/ Set 2 \_______________________ 16 White Eagle [4:52]
8 Mojave Plan [10:00] 17 Dominion [5:44]
(bridge 8-9) [3:02]
_______
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Segs 9-11 identified on 'Tangents'. Segs 1-5 and 12-14 given
unofficial names to aid cross referencing. Seg 1 from 'The Soldier'.
Seg 4 from 'The Keep'. Except for the jump from 1 to 9 (i.e., bridge
1-2 was deftly crossfaded beginning at 5:27 of set 1 to join with
bridge 8-9 at 11:45 of set 2), the 'Logos' media tracks are exactly
as played at the concert.
__________________
__/ Recordings - AAA \________________________________________________
MC - Segs ?
[1982] (audience fantape)
LP-2 - Segs ? as 'Logos'
[1982] Virgin (GB) V 2257 (test record; different mix!)
LP-2 - Segs 1+9-11/12-14,17 (in 3 tracks) as LOGOS
[1982] Virgin (GB) V 2257 [1983] Virgin/Victor (JP)
[1982] Virgin/RTC (NZ) V 2257 VIL 6029
[1982] Virgin/Ariola (ES) [1983] Virgin/General Music
I-205 230 (IL) BAN 2257
[1982] Virgin/Edison (PT) [1983] Virgin (MX) LA 532
612 605 [1983,1988] Virgin (DE)
[1982] Virgin (CA) VL 3282 205 230-270
[1983] Virgin (AU) V 2257 [1986] Virgin (GB) OVED 167
[1983] Virgin (DE) 205 230-320
MC - Segs 1+9-11/12-14,17 (in 3 tracks) as 'Logos'
[1982] Virgin (GB) TCV 2257 [1983] Virgin (AU) VC 2257
[1982] Virgin/Ariola (ES) [1983] Virgin (DE) 405 230-352
D-405 230 [1983] Virgin (MX) CS 532
[1982] Virgin (CA) VL4 3282 [1986] Virgin (GB) OVEDC 167
__________________
__/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________
CD - Segs 1+9-11,12-14,17 (in 3 tracks) as 'Logos'
Track index points (format is seg=track+mm:ss)
1=1[01:05] 10=1[13:57] 12=2[04:55] 14=2[16:32]
9=1[06:44] 11=1[20:16] 13=2[09:36] 17=3[00:00]
[1984] Virgin (FR,GB) CDV 2257 [1984] Virgin (JP) VDP-65
[1984] Virgin (DE) 610 381-225
CDR - Seg 4 (preceeded by ? and followed by ?) as 'Logotypes'
[19??] -label?- (??) -catalog#?- (boot)
__________________
__/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________
CD - Segs 1+9-14,17 (in 2 tracks) as 'Logos'
Track index points (format is seg=track+mm:ss)
1=1[01:05] 10=1[13:57] 12=1[30:39] 14=1[42:16]
9=1[06:44] 11=1[20:16] 13=1[35:20] 17=2[00:00]
[1994] Virgin (US) [1995] Virgin (GB) TAND 3
7243 8 39445 2 1
________________________________________________________________________
FOR 'POLAND': (BTW, Jerzy K. has already told me that 1) there was no power
failure in the evening show, 2) there was one short delay in the afternoon
show, and 3) the album 'Poland' was not recorded at the Torwar show. But I'm
going to hold off on updating this entry until I can hear 'Dreaming on Ice
Stadium Evening' with my own ears as I have a half-hour video of the Torwar
show -- the Pagart video -- and it seems to follow the beginning of the
'Poland' album perfectly, so I'm skeptical of what Jerzy has said -- sorry
Jerzy. Also, if the 'Poland' album was a total reperformance, why would Edgar
have put the break indicated below between segments 3 & 4? -- which you can see
clearly with a wav editor even if you think it is merely a pause, which it
clearly is NOT!)
________________________________________________________________________
Tangerine Dream sign performance contract with Jive Electro [Nov 83?]
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Poznan, Poland [9 Dec 83, afternoon] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Poznan, Poland [9 Dec 83, evening] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
Torwar Ice Stadium, Warsaw [10 Dec 83, afternoon] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
Torwar Ice Stadium, Warsaw [10 Dec 83, evening] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Zabrze, Poland [11 Dec 83, afternoon] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Zabrze, Poland [11 Dec 83, evening] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Lodz, Poland [12 Dec 83] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Opole, Poland [14 Dec 83] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
-venue?-, Wroclaw, Poland [15 Dec 83] - EF+CF+JS
________________________________________________________________________
Poland [spring 84] - EF+CF+JS
________________
__/ 'Poland' Suite \______________ 00:00 (bridge break-8) [8]
00:00 (intro/atmosphere) [48] 8 00:08 Warsaw in the Sun [4:43]
1 00:48 Love on a Polish Train 9 04:51 Barbakane 3 [3:17]
[10:42] _________________
11:16 (bridge 1-2) [2:26] __/ 'Horizon' Suite \_____________
2 13:42 Poland 2 [8:46] 00:00 (atmosphere)
22:18 (bridge 2-3) [37] 10 04:20 Horizon 1 [5:13]
_________________ 09:33 (bridge 10-11) [4:34]
__/ 'Tangent' Suite \_____________ 11 14:07 Horizon 2 [6:32]
3 22:55 Tangent 1 [3:16] _______
26:11 (bridge 3-break) [?] __/ Edits \_______________________
== break ========================= 12 Barbakane 3 [1:37] %9
00:00 (bridge break-4) [0:50] (early fade)
4 00:50 Tangent 2 [5:03] 13 Polish Dance [4:20] %5
05:53 (bridge 4-5) [20] (shortened mid)
5 06:13 Polish Dance [5:18] _________
== break ========================= __/ Remixes \_____________________
6 Rarebird [3:41] 14 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2
___________________ [3:57] %&+8
__/ 'Barbakane' Suite \___________ 15 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.1 [4:43]
00:00 (atmosphere) [2:42] &+8
7 02:42 The Smuggler [5:52] 16 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 [3:04]
08:34 (bridge 7-break) [?] %14 (early fade)
== break =========================
_______
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Key: % excerpt; & remix; + overdub
Seg 6 identified on 'Dream Roots Collection.' Segs 5, 7, and 11
identified on the 7' and 12' disks. Segs 1-4, and 8-10 given
unofficial names to aid cross referencing.
Announcement (trans): 'Good evening. State Artistic Agency, PAGART,
and State Entertainment Enterprises, IMPART, welcome you to the
concert of a group which is one of the creators of the style called
electronic rock. ...[long talk, deleted]... Before You: Chris Franke,
Johannes Schmoelling and Edgar Froese, or Tangerine Dream.' - Jerzy
Kordowicz, Polish Radio 3.
The show was supposedly interrupted five times by power failures, as
indicated by some of the breaks above. Since many bridges were dubbed
after the show to bridge over breaks caused by power failures, further
time indexing to what was actually performed is not possible. Further,
The actual order of segments is unknown. It has been reported that
'Rarebird' was an encore, which is supported by cheering both before
and after. Cheering is also present following 'Polish Dance' and
'Horizon 2', signifying the probable end of sets.
__________________
__/ Recordings - AAA \________________________________________________
7' - Segs 5/14 as 'Polish Dance'/'Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2'
[1984] Jive (GB) 74 [1985] Tonpress (PL) S-575
[1984] Jive (GB) P74B
(Poland-shaped picture disk)
7' - Segs 13/14 as 'Polish Dance'/'Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2'
[1984] Jive (DE) 6.14 254 AC
12' - Segs 11,5/15+16 as 'Warsaw in the Sun'
[1984] Jive (GB) T 74 [1984] CBS/Sony (JP) 12AP 3038
[1984] Jive (DE,GB) 6.20382 AE [1984] Carrere (FR) CA 6168.470
[1984] Jive/Teldec (DE) 12AP3038
[1984] Jive/Bertelsman (MX)
SL-7139
LP-2x2 - Segs 1+2/3-5+11/6-8/9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland'
[1984] Jive (GB) HIP 22 [1984] Jive (FR) CA 292 66-226
[1984] Jive (GB) HIP X 22 [1984] Jive/RCA Ariola (CA)
[1984] Jive (DE) VL 89284 JV 6616/2
(test pressing) [1984] Tonpress (PL) SX-T 64/65
[1984] Jive (DE) 6.28638 1/2 [1985] CNR Records (NL) 573.003/4
(test pressing) [1986] Rel. (US) EMC 8045
[1984] Jive (DE) 6.28638 X
[1984] Jive/Messagerie Musicale
(IT) ZL 6626
MC - Segs 1+2,3-5+11/6-8,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland'
[1984] Jive (GB) HIP C 22 [1986] Rel. (US) EMCT 8045
[1984] Jive (DE) 4.28638 [1997] Metal Mind (PL) CAST 0022
[1984] Jive/Messagerie Musicale
(IT) ZK 6626
__________________
__/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________
CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5,11,6-8,9+10 (5 media tracks) as 'Poland'
Performance seg-media trk index points:
1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-4[02:50] 9-5[04:20]
2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-4[09:20] 10-5[14:07]
3-2[00:25] 11-3[00:08] 8-4[14:12]
[1984] Jive (DE) 8.28638 [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2
(titles on discs in blue;
spindle: 8045-2-1-1T '21')
CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6-8,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland'
Performance seg--media track index points:
1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-3[02:50] 9-4[04:20]
2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-3[09:20] 10-4[14:07]
3-2[00:25] 11-2[16:02] 8-3[14:12]
[1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in brown;
spindle: 88561-8045-2/1(V))
CD - Segs 1+2,6+7,9+10 (3 media tracks) as 'Extracts from Poland'
Performance seg--media track index points:
1-1[00:48] 6-2[02:50] 9-3[04:20]
2-1[13:42] 7-2[09:20] 10-3[14:07]
[1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 [1984] Jive (DE) 8.26099 ZP
(cover artwork tinted brown) [1988] Jive (JP) 32XB-221
[1984] Jive/Carriere (FR) CHIP 22
__________________
__/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________
CD - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6+7+12,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland'
Performance seg--media track index points:
1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-3[02:50] 9-4[04:20]
2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-3[09:20] 10-4[14:07]
3-2[00:25] 11-2[16:02] 12-3[14:12]
[1996] Ess. (DE,GB) ESM 365 [1996] Sequel (US) 1044-2
[1996] Dureco (NL) ESM 365
________________________________________________________________________
The point here is: The answers to almost all of our (or my) questions are in
the 'big picture' and in our (or my) ears.
Regards -- Mark
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:02
pm
Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree participants database
OK. So I finally converted all the entries to a big table and uploaded them
to the yahoogroups database
Give me your feedback: does it look like this databse going to make things
simpler for tree administration and tr4acking? at least we can sort the
entries, and we'll be able to update it as we go. well, take a look.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=4
or you can click the new link at http://www.tadream.net/tree
Joe
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:53
pm
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
NO! NO! NO! Not a database, please. That forces people to use a database
program. If a freeform text file is consistent, you can easily write a script
to parse it in real time. Leaving it as text, anyone can browse it without a
database program. An excellent choise for the parser would be Snobol -- very
powerful, much more so than PERL.
My $2E-2 -- Mark
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for the
> tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good database design,
> and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In other words:
>
> * what categories are we trying to define? -->
> * what tables should be included in the db?
> * what fields in those tables?
>
> but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on their site -
> and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
>
> does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
>
> OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> ...
> > I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> > kind of database
> > that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see all
> > relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> > list of the
> > most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> > the right venue....
> > Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> > and time
> > index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> > to deal with
> > any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> > Poland concerts!).
> >
> > Is there a desire for this?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
It's 2002. Do you know where Osama is?
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree participants database
Joe
Basically it doesn't matter about the database design, what matters is how
all the data is linked.
If every fact has a common like that can be tied, then when one pulls up a
list, all the links will follow.
I will take a look in a few if I can remember the yahoo login to get it.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree participants database
> OK. So I finally converted all the entries to a big table and uploaded
them
> to the yahoogroups database
>
> Give me your feedback: does it look like this databse going to make
things
> simpler for tree administration and tr4acking? at least we can sort the
> entries, and we'll be able to update it as we go. well, take a look.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=4
>
> or you can click the new link at http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Joe
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: [tree] Sorry. You do not have permissions to edit this Record (was: Tangerine Tree participants database)
I tried to add my address. -- Mark (feeling rejected)
Otherwise, nice job, Joe!
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> OK. So I finally converted all the entries to a big table and uploaded them
> to the yahoogroups database
>
> Give me your feedback: does it look like this databse going to make things
> simpler for tree administration and tr4acking? at least we can sort the
> entries, and we'll be able to update it as we go. well, take a look.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=4
>
> or you can click the new link at http://www.tadream.net/tree
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:06
pm
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
I work with Oracle all day long. Program stuff in sql as well. I have to
disagree with you on the text issue. Then again, I am one of those org. type
freaks who prefer everything in some type of order.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> NO! NO! NO! Not a database, please. That forces people to use a database
program. If a freeform text file is consistent, you can easily write a
script to parse it in real time. Leaving it as text, anyone can browse it
without a database program. An excellent choise for the parser would be
Snobol -- very powerful, much more so than PERL.
>
> My $2E-2 -- Mark
>
> Joe Shoults wrote:
> >
> > what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for the
> > tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good database
design,
> > and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In other words:
> >
> > * what categories are we trying to define? -->
> > * what tables should be included in the db?
> > * what fields in those tables?
> >
> > but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on their
site -
> > and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
> >
> > does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
> >
> > OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> > ...
> > > I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> > > kind of database
> > > that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see all
> > > relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> > > list of the
> > > most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> > > the right venue....
> > > Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> > > and time
> > > index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> > > to deal with
> > > any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> > > Poland concerts!).
> > >
> > > Is there a desire for this?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> --
> It's 2002. Do you know where Osama is?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chronology
In a message dated 1/30/02 5:56:55 PM, filipak@e... writes:
>I started this in 1966, when I first joined the list when it was hosted
>by the University of Wisconsin, Parkside campus (remember that?).
I didn't realize the list was THAT old. ;)
--Daniel
NP: Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:15
pm
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
With all sincere respects, you cannot easily email a database and it is
difficult for a large number of people to collaborate on a database. Plain text
is easy and if it is consistently formatted, it is just as easy to extract
information from it as from a database. Please, I beg. Don't turn it into a
database. That would be too limiting and too hard to work with on a global
basis.
Regards -- Mark
'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
>
> I work with Oracle all day long. Program stuff in sql as well. I have to
> disagree with you on the text issue. Then again, I am one of those org. type
> freaks who prefer everything in some type of order.
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
>
> > NO! NO! NO! Not a database, please. That forces people to use a database
> program. If a freeform text file is consistent, you can easily write a
> script to parse it in real time. Leaving it as text, anyone can browse it
> without a database program. An excellent choise for the parser would be
> Snobol -- very powerful, much more so than PERL.
> >
> > My $2E-2 -- Mark
> >
> > Joe Shoults wrote:
> > >
> > > what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for the
> > > tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good database
> design,
> > > and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In other words:
> > >
> > > * what categories are we trying to define? -->
> > > * what tables should be included in the db?
> > > * what fields in those tables?
> > >
> > > but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on their
> site -
> > > and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
> > >
> > > does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
> > >
> > > OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> > > ...
> > > > I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> > > > kind of database
> > > > that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see all
> > > > relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> > > > list of the
> > > > most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> > > > the right venue....
> > > > Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> > > > and time
> > > > index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> > > > to deal with
> > > > any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> > > > Poland concerts!).
> > > >
> > > > Is there a desire for this?
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chronology
Er.... Ooops (not the first time). How about 1996? -- Mark (imagine, the TD
list started one year before TD was founded... now that's FORESIGHT!)
quarlie@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/30/02 5:56:55 PM, filipak@e... writes:
>
> >I started this in 1966, when I first joined the list when it was hosted
> >by the University of Wisconsin, Parkside campus (remember that?).
>
> I didn't realize the list was THAT old. ;)
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:20
pm
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
why would I e-mail? If someone wanted a copy and it was in sql format, then
they could import it into access or a host of other databases. If they
wanted to down load the whole thing, just ftp it down. If they wanted to
convert it to text or html, then access can do that.
Communication error on my part as I am not seeing what you are seeing.
Yes I have a hard head too...
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> With all sincere respects, you cannot easily email a database and it is
difficult for a large number of people to collaborate on a database. Plain
text is easy and if it is consistently formatted, it is just as easy to
extract information from it as from a database. Please, I beg. Don't turn it
into a database. That would be too limiting and too hard to work with on a
global basis.
>
> Regards -- Mark
>
> 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> >
> > I work with Oracle all day long. Program stuff in sql as well. I have to
> > disagree with you on the text issue. Then again, I am one of those org.
type
> > freaks who prefer everything in some type of order.
> >
> > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > admin@k...
> > 661-723-0266
> > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Mark Filipak'
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> >
> > > NO! NO! NO! Not a database, please. That forces people to use a
database
> > program. If a freeform text file is consistent, you can easily write a
> > script to parse it in real time. Leaving it as text, anyone can browse
it
> > without a database program. An excellent choise for the parser would be
> > Snobol -- very powerful, much more so than PERL.
> > >
> > > My $2E-2 -- Mark
> > >
> > > Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for the
> > > > tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good database
> > design,
> > > > and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In other
words:
> > > >
> > > > * what categories are we trying to define? -->
> > > > * what tables should be included in the db?
> > > > * what fields in those tables?
> > > >
> > > > but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on
their
> > site -
> > > > and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
> > > >
> > > > does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
> > > >
> > > > OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> > > > ...
> > > > > I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> > > > > kind of database
> > > > > that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see
all
> > > > > relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> > > > > list of the
> > > > > most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> > > > > the right venue....
> > > > > Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> > > > > and time
> > > > > index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> > > > > to deal with
> > > > > any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> > > > > Poland concerts!).
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a desire for this?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
>
> why would I e-mail?
Maybe you wouldn't, but to answer people's questions, I did (during the period:
1996-1999) and I do, now. Some people on this list may remember how many posts
I made in the old days attempting to work out a good format. I tortured the
hell out of everyone. (and yes, I'm like a dog with a rag!)
> If someone wanted a copy and it was in sql format, then
> they could import it into access or a host of other databases.
And suppose they don't have access or don't want to learn access. Then they are
cut out from direct participation and have to submit requests to some database
guru.
> If they
> wanted to down load the whole thing, just ftp it down. If they wanted to
> convert it to text or html, then access can do that.
Again, this requires the person to have a database program. Why? To make it
easier for you? Bull! No offense intended, but a database program is too hard
to work with. Even a relational database. I've written databases -- that's how
I started this -- and I have given it years of thought. There's absolutely no
reason why you or I couldn't write a parser to extract information from a
consistently formatted text file. Will you at least give me that? Sure it will
be harder than it is to simply make the data 'fit the database', but what the
heck is the point of doing that? Answer: To make it easier. Well, databases
suck, IMNSHO.
Besides: If you want to put my stuff into a database, you have to parse it,
first. Are you going to do that by hand? Answer: No. You will do what I would
do: Write a script. Well, why not leave it as text and use the script as an
extraction tool to feed a web page on demand?
I really do feel passionately about this and I urge you to think long and hard
about it.
Ciao -- Mark
> Communication error on my part as I am not seeing what you are seeing.
> Yes I have a hard head too...
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
>
> > With all sincere respects, you cannot easily email a database and it is
> difficult for a large number of people to collaborate on a database. Plain
> text is easy and if it is consistently formatted, it is just as easy to
> extract information from it as from a database. Please, I beg. Don't turn it
> into a database. That would be too limiting and too hard to work with on a
> global basis.
> >
> > Regards -- Mark
> >
> > 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> > >
> > > I work with Oracle all day long. Program stuff in sql as well. I have to
> > > disagree with you on the text issue. Then again, I am one of those org.
> type
> > > freaks who prefer everything in some type of order.
> > >
> > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > > admin@k...
> > > 661-723-0266
> > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Mark Filipak'
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> > >
> > > > NO! NO! NO! Not a database, please. That forces people to use a
> database
> > > program. If a freeform text file is consistent, you can easily write a
> > > script to parse it in real time. Leaving it as text, anyone can browse
> it
> > > without a database program. An excellent choise for the parser would be
> > > Snobol -- very powerful, much more so than PERL.
> > > >
> > > > My $2E-2 -- Mark
> > > >
> > > > Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for the
> > > > > tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good database
> > > design,
> > > > > and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In other
> words:
> > > > >
> > > > > * what categories are we trying to define? -->
> > > > > * what tables should be included in the db?
> > > > > * what fields in those tables?
> > > > >
> > > > > but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on
> their
> > > site -
> > > > > and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
> > > > >
> > > > > does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
> > > > >
> > > > > OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> > > > > > kind of database
> > > > > > that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and see
> all
> > > > > > relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> > > > > > list of the
> > > > > > most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> > > > > > the right venue....
> > > > > > Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> > > > > > and time
> > > > > > index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> > > > > > to deal with
> > > > > > any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> > > > > > Poland concerts!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a desire for this?
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:32
am
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
I like cats myself.
I am not concerned too much about those who wish to stay low tech. I am
thinking of making a database of all the facts and putting it on the web. If
you wish to use it, then use it. If you wish to have someone else use it for
you then do so.
So you can stay in your yard with your rag doll and have a nut. If anyone
wants to throw you a bone, I am all for it.
If you wish to have a text only database that is fine with me, as I will
pull data from it and place it into a database...
Over 23 years in computers has lead me to believe that those who want to
remain in one environment, should. Far be it from me to force something down
your throat.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> >
> > why would I e-mail?
>
> Maybe you wouldn't, but to answer people's questions, I did (during the
period: 1996-1999) and I do, now. Some people on this list may remember how
many posts I made in the old days attempting to work out a good format. I
tortured the hell out of everyone. (and yes, I'm like a dog with a rag!)
>
> > If someone wanted a copy and it was in sql format, then
> > they could import it into access or a host of other databases.
>
> And suppose they don't have access or don't want to learn access. Then
they are cut out from direct participation and have to submit requests to
some database guru.
>
> > If they
> > wanted to down load the whole thing, just ftp it down. If they wanted to
> > convert it to text or html, then access can do that.
>
> Again, this requires the person to have a database program. Why? To make
it easier for you? Bull! No offense intended, but a database program is too
hard to work with. Even a relational database. I've written databases --
that's how I started this -- and I have given it years of thought. There's
absolutely no reason why you or I couldn't write a parser to extract
information from a consistently formatted text file. Will you at least give
me that? Sure it will be harder than it is to simply make the data 'fit the
database', but what the heck is the point of doing that? Answer: To make it
easier. Well, databases suck, IMNSHO.
>
> Besides: If you want to put my stuff into a database, you have to parse
it, first. Are you going to do that by hand? Answer: No. You will do what I
would do: Write a script. Well, why not leave it as text and use the script
as an extraction tool to feed a web page on demand?
>
> I really do feel passionately about this and I urge you to think long and
hard about it.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
> > Communication error on my part as I am not seeing what you are seeing.
> > Yes I have a hard head too...
> >
> > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > admin@k...
> > 661-723-0266
> > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Mark Filipak'
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> >
> > > With all sincere respects, you cannot easily email a database and it
is
> > difficult for a large number of people to collaborate on a database.
Plain
> > text is easy and if it is consistently formatted, it is just as easy to
> > extract information from it as from a database. Please, I beg. Don't
turn it
> > into a database. That would be too limiting and too hard to work with on
a
> > global basis.
> > >
> > > Regards -- Mark
> > >
> > > 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I work with Oracle all day long. Program stuff in sql as well. I
have to
> > > > disagree with you on the text issue. Then again, I am one of those
org.
> > type
> > > > freaks who prefer everything in some type of order.
> > > >
> > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > > > admin@k...
> > > > 661-723-0266
> > > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and
Knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: 'Mark Filipak'
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> > > >
> > > > > NO! NO! NO! Not a database, please. That forces people to use a
> > database
> > > > program. If a freeform text file is consistent, you can easily write
a
> > > > script to parse it in real time. Leaving it as text, anyone can
browse
> > it
> > > > without a database program. An excellent choise for the parser would
be
> > > > Snobol -- very powerful, much more so than PERL.
> > > > >
> > > > > My $2E-2 -- Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what you describe has been a pipe dream of mine for a while for
the
> > > > > > tadream.net site. basically, all I really need is a good
database
> > > > design,
> > > > > > and then I can build the master/detail pages from there. In
other
> > words:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * what categories are we trying to define? -->
> > > > > > * what tables should be included in the db?
> > > > > > * what fields in those tables?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but also include all albums - even the ones TD won't include on
> > their
> > > > site -
> > > > > > and boots and concerts and profiles of members and all that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > does anyone know the structure of deadbase?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OH- by the way, oh, nevermind; I'll send a separate post
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > I've got the desire and motivation to start building some
> > > > > > > kind of database
> > > > > > > that would plug into a website where you can pick a date and
see
> > all
> > > > > > > relevant information about that show, or you can pick from a
> > > > > > > list of the
> > > > > > > most common bootleg names and similarly get transferred to
> > > > > > > the right venue....
> > > > > > > Each common bootleg would be in bold with a short description
> > > > > > > and time
> > > > > > > index after it. Then there would be a catchall 'Notes' folder
> > > > > > > to deal with
> > > > > > > any oddities (you can imagine the notes under the Logos and
> > > > > > > Poland concerts!).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a desire for this?
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:35
am
Subject: 1966...
>Er.... Ooops (not the first time). How about 1996? -- Mark (imagine, the TD
>list started one year before TD was founded... now that's FORESIGHT!)
>>In a message dated 1/30/02 5:56:55 PM, filipak@e... writes:
> >I started this in 1966, when I first joined the list when it was hosted
>by the University of Wisconsin, Parkside campus (remember that?).
>I didn't realize the list was THAT old. ;)
perhaps this will give us a big hint as to the 'real' origin of the band's
name 'tangerine dream'--as if....
:)
--T (who really hates ACCESS except when having difficulty sleeping-- then I
climb into bed open the book and voila within moments a daliesque sleep
fuse. It's when the book smacks me in the face after I've fallen asleep
that I really really hate ACCESS)
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:44
am
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
>
> I like cats myself.
> I am not concerned too much about those who wish to stay low tech. I am
> thinking of making a database of all the facts and putting it on the web. If
> you wish to use it, then use it. If you wish to have someone else use it for
> you then do so.
> So you can stay in your yard with your rag doll and have a nut. If anyone
> wants to throw you a bone, I am all for it.
> If you wish to have a text only database that is fine with me, as I will
> pull data from it and place it into a database...
> Over 23 years in computers has lead me to believe that those who want to
> remain in one environment, should. Far be it from me to force something down
> your throat.
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
Okay, fine. Do your database thing. I couldn't and wouldn't stop you, but you
didn't respond to my comment that you can do it all with a special purpose
parser and leave the 'data' as plain text. Care to stick your neck out? ;)
-- Mark
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:53
am
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
yea
first I have not seen what you have
so I can't comment how much it is meshed
second, most likely, as I am envisioning this
if I can't get at least two confirmed sources per fact, it would not get in
the database
at least not the main one
I would carry a second one with unconfirmed facts
I also write for newspapers too... so I am anal on the sources being
confirmed
I see a sql database, web accessed via mysql for query... sources listed per
fact that can be looked up.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
> 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> >
> > I like cats myself.
> > I am not concerned too much about those who wish to stay low tech. I am
> > thinking of making a database of all the facts and putting it on the
web. If
> > you wish to use it, then use it. If you wish to have someone else use it
for
> > you then do so.
> > So you can stay in your yard with your rag doll and have a nut. If
anyone
> > wants to throw you a bone, I am all for it.
> > If you wish to have a text only database that is fine with me, as I will
> > pull data from it and place it into a database...
> > Over 23 years in computers has lead me to believe that those who want to
> > remain in one environment, should. Far be it from me to force something
down
> > your throat.
> >
> > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
>
> Okay, fine. Do your database thing. I couldn't and wouldn't stop you, but
you didn't respond to my comment that you can do it all with a special
purpose parser and leave the 'data' as plain text. Care to stick your neck
out? ;)
>
> -- Mark
>
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:14
am
Subject: I like cats myself (was Chronology)
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:44:30 -0500 Mark Filipak
writes:
>>I like cats myself.
Oh goodie! Me too!
Finally, something on this list that I can sink my
teeth into (talk about kitty cats, not kitty cats
themselves). Honestly, I don't think I've deleted so many
postings from this list from my inbox for a loooooong time.
I mean, between the techie babble about burner formats and
databases, the minutiae about cathedrals, and the warmed-
over guesses about the real reason behind our fave band's
name . . . snore.
TD fandom has lists for fans of old TD, for fans of
new TD, for Edgar Apologists, for completists, and for
gearheads. Maybe somebody should start one for acute
techies -- because for many of us, there has been cute a
waste of bandwidth going on here lately.
I'll go back to sleep now and leave you all to
boring the crap out of each other (and when I wake up,
it'll be back to playing MARS POLARIS and DREAM MIXES
III for *this* girlyman).
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .
>-- Mark
-- Steven Feldman ,
webmaster for the Chang Cheh website
at http://changcheh.0catch.com
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 2:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree participants database
> OK. So I finally converted all the entries to a big table and uploaded
them
> to the yahoogroups database
>
> Give me your feedback:
Joe,
I see you have me listed for Redbook. I thought I had specified my
preference to be SHN, but that I could burn Redbook if needed. Could you
change the info for me?
Thanks.
Vince
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From:
Jeffrey Au Yeung
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:11
am
Subject: Off-topic: Where is Dayton?
Hello
Could anybody pls kindly tell me where Dayton in the
States is? Which Greenwich timezone does it belong to?
Thanks
Jeffrey
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From:
Michael W Daniels
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 5:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: Where is Dayton?
At 12:11 PM 1/31/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>Could anybody pls kindly tell me where Dayton in the
>States is? Which Greenwich timezone does it belong to?
Dayton, Ohio, is -0500.
--
Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much
daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal
Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm
218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.'
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 6:10
am
Subject: Re: Define CF shortly
--- John Vertical wrote:
> I need to explain to Mr. Average shortly who Chris
> Franke is within the
> space of let's say ten words.
> My ideas so far are:
> 'Inventor of the techno rhytm'
> 'Some electronic music guru'
>
> Can anyone think of a better one (s)?
>
> John Vertical
Chris Franke, recently the man who has brought
together electronic synths and symphony orchestra
succesfully. He's a pioneer along side with Hans
Zimmer. I'm heard that they are close friends.
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Define CF shortly
>Chris Franke, recently the man who has brought
>together electronic synths and symphony orchestra
>succesfully. He's a pioneer along side with Hans
>Zimmer. I'm heard that they are close friends.
>
>Regards,
>TheInfection
I hope I can explain my exact intentions a bit better to you than the rest
of this groups - do you know the 'Identical twins' column in the Nyt!
-addendum of the Friday edition of Helsingin Sanomat? I have a nice idea for
that...
To the rest of the group: it's a column where you can post a pair of
slightly alike-looking pictures and short (usually not too serious)
definitions of who they are, usually persons' but there have been
exceptions. Then they take your definitions for the dudes and put them under
the wrong pictures... Does this make this any clearer?
Aw well, I guess I could just go with my own ones.
John Vertical
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From:
Peter Ravn
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:32
am
Subject: Off topic: Jean Michel Jarre on danish TV today
Hi,
Some off topic info on Jean Michel Jarre from http://www.jarre.net :
'Windmill concert feature on Danish tv
Tune in to Danish TV station DR1 tomorrow at 19:00 CET. Jean Michel will
be present in the programme '19 Direkte', which will pay attention to the
concert that Jean Michel Jarre is planning at the windmill park of 'Gammel
Vrå Enge' near the city of Aalborg. During the show the audience can phone
in and give their opinion about the subjects.
The daily broadcasts of 19 Direkte are archived in Real Video, usually with
a delay of a few days. The channel is also available via Viasat on the Sirius
3 satellite at 5.0°E. '
-Peter Ravn from Denmark
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:38
am
Subject: Gelsenkirchen
>You know a lot about Schalke country, Klaus. Where do you live?
Near Stuttgart, but my uncle lives in GE and, more to the topic,
Chris Horn grew up and still lived in GE while contributing to
Dream Collector.
Yes, the 'Musiktheater im Revier' is a concert hall in the
south of GE, but from time to time they organise 'outside'
shows and market them under their label. The TD concert
was such an event.
cheers,
klaus
From:
Jeffrey Au Yeung
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: Where is Dayton?
Thanks a lot Michael!
Jeffrey
--- Michael W Daniels
wrote: > At 12:11 PM 1/31/2002 +0800, you wrote:
> >Could anybody pls kindly tell me where Dayton in
> the
> >States is? Which Greenwich timezone does it belong
> to?
>
> Dayton, Ohio, is -0500.
>
>
> --
> Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was
> ominous-sounding, much
> daniels@l... | like the sound of a
> thin sheet of metal
> Department of Linguistics | being shaken
> backstage during the storm
> 218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.'
>
>
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From:
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Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:22
pm
Subject: Art Of Vision
Since 31.01.2002 I'll be appearing on this list as Art
Of Vision
Best regards,
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Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:28
pm
Subject: Mood-affecting albums
What albums have strong influence on your mood? That's
very important part of TD music, at least for me.
Sorcerer, Rubicon - this are the most mood-affecting.
They often help when I'm tired or just feel bad
White Eagle, Hyperborea, Melrose - I usually play them
while doing something long, boring and monotonous.
Such sort of thing occurs almost every day with me
last month:((
Tangram: this has strange effect - after listening to
it I'm usually silent and gloomy. I play it very rare.
AoV
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:52
pm
Subject: Sueno Latino on auction
Hi all,
I have following item on ebay auction:
SUENO LATINO / MANUEL GOETTSCHING / ASHRA - CD
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1508992930
Regards
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 2:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
>>What albums have strong influence on your mood?
Lets' see...
Underwater Sunlight always manages to cheer me up.
Zeit does quite the opposite.
Exit tends to get me nostalgic, mostly because it was my first one.
The effect that Ricochet, Alpha Centauri and Rubycon do is that I'm calm,
quiet, not thinking much, not wanting anything..
Lily On The Beach is a sure energy snack.
The bonus disc in Dream Roots is very relaxing.
The impression you get after listening an album and the one you have while
listening to it is of course different - it largely depends on the last few
minutes. Take White Eagle for instance; the title track is very soothing but
the rest is somewhat nervous.
John Vertical
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From:
Michael Fox
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:25
pm
Subject: Re: OT RE: [tadream] Chronology
At 03:20 PM 01/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>why would I e-mail? If someone wanted a copy and it was in sql format, then
>they could import it into access or a host of other databases.
Can't we just make the whole thing an mpg3 file and burn it onto DVD discs
in two layers?
Mike
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gelsenkirchen - Dennis & Klaus
Dennis & Klaus.
Pending confirmation from Dennis' aunt, would you say this is an appropriate
entry for the concert?
________________________________________________________________________
Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Buer-Hassel, Germany [11 Nov 81] - EF+CF+JS
_______
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
Gelsenkirchen Musiktheater im Revier (Gelsenkirchen District Concert
Hall) production at Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche (St. Luke's Church
Community Center),
________________________________________________________________________
Please be critical...
Thanks -- Mark
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> >You know a lot about Schalke country, Klaus. Where do you live?
>
> Near Stuttgart, but my uncle lives in GE and, more to the topic,
> Chris Horn grew up and still lived in GE while contributing to
> Dream Collector.
>
> Yes, the 'Musiktheater im Revier' is a concert hall in the
> south of GE, but from time to time they organise 'outside'
> shows and market them under their label. The TD concert
> was such an event.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:17
pm
Subject: [tree] CALL TO EUROPEAN BRANCHES
We are currently defining the constraints that will affect tree structure.
One of those constraints is who will be the European branches that will ship
overseas to provide the initial
The tree is starting in Germany with Heiko. He is seeding 15 (!) European
branches. He's done enough work already, so I'm not asking him to have to
ship outside Europe.
Shipping overseas is not really complicated, but some of you are already
familiar with the process. If you don't mind shipping overseas - OR have
some particular aversion to it - let me know. Otherwise, I will just assign
the branches in the most logical geographic way.
Thanks,
Joe
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] I like cats myself (was Chronology)
who cares about bandwidth? or how it is even used? a few bits here a few
bits there...I guess if you ware using a 2400 baud modem perhaps you have a
problem?
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:14 PM
Subject: [tadream] I like cats myself (was Chronology)
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:44:30 -0500 Mark Filipak
> writes:
>
> >>I like cats myself.
>
> Oh goodie! Me too!
> Finally, something on this list that I can sink my
> teeth into (talk about kitty cats, not kitty cats
> themselves). Honestly, I don't think I've deleted so many
> postings from this list from my inbox for a loooooong time.
> I mean, between the techie babble about burner formats and
> databases, the minutiae about cathedrals, and the warmed-
> over guesses about the real reason behind our fave band's
> name . . . snore.
> TD fandom has lists for fans of old TD, for fans of
> new TD, for Edgar Apologists, for completists, and for
> gearheads. Maybe somebody should start one for acute
> techies -- because for many of us, there has been cute a
> waste of bandwidth going on here lately.
> I'll go back to sleep now and leave you all to
> boring the crap out of each other (and when I wake up,
> it'll be back to playing MARS POLARIS and DREAM MIXES
> III for *this* girlyman).
> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .
>
> >-- Mark
>
> -- Steven Feldman ,
> webmaster for the Chang Cheh website
> at http://changcheh.0catch.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 6:32
pm
Subject: Sounscapes lineup
MJ,
That's a pretty impressive list with just those names there, and would
definitely make it worth the effort of getting out to Philly. I've been
wanting to make it out to the Brandywine Museum and the Wyeth Studio (kind of
a pilgrimage), so I'll definitely have to give this some serious thought.
Wes
In a message dated 1/29/2002 9:48:07 PM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> And don't forget the Gatherings in Philly... This seasons schedule includes
> Robert Rich, Erik Wollo, and Steve Roach... It could be worth the
> drive...even from Chicago...
>
> MJ (a former Chicagoan who misses hearing 'real' blues)
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 6:31
pm
Subject: Soundscapes organizing
Hi Bill,
Hmm, I don't know of any local space music radio shows around here (Chicago).
We get Musical Star Streams out of San Francisco (I believe?) on Sunday
nights but that's it as far as I know.
The thought has crossed my mind about trying to do or organize something like
what you're describing locally (since there isn't anyone else I know of doing
it around here), but I'm told there isn't much interest in electronic/space
music performance around here. Perhaps my 'advisors' are wrong .
Quite honestly, I don't think I'm up for such an organizational challenge
either, but I would be very happy to chip in if anyone else would be willing
to take up the torch! Or perhaps if I could come across a kindred spirit
crazy person out here...
Wes
In a message dated 1/29/2002 9:48:07 PM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> I love The Gatherings organized by Chuck van Zyl. But it is a long drive to
> Philly and not many people in my area make the trek like I do. Plus I want
> to
> expand the concert opportunities for electronic musicians. Vic does
> Ricochet
> Dreams in Georgia (went to the 2nd one, will go to the 3rd one) and Steve
> Jenkins did the Hampshire Jam in the UK last year (went to it). Since I'm
> out
> of work, I thought I'd try my hand at doing something in my area. LOTSA
> WORK!!!
> But it'll probably be worth it.
>
> So if there isn't anyone in your area who is crazier than you, good luck in
> starting your own concert scene! :-) Is there any spacemusic on the radio
> in
> your area?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:27
pm
Subject: OT: US EM distributors needed
Steve Jenkins organized the Hampshire Jam, what some call 'the best day's
concert ever in the UK.' It was a 5 band gig:
Airsculpture,
RMI,
Free System Projekt,
Under the Dome and
Headshock.
Look for the CD to hit stores sometime around April '02!
Steve needs help locating EM distributors in the US; if you can help, please
contact him at steve@l...
From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] CALL TO EUROPEAN BRANCHES
Hi Joe,
I am willing to ship overseas if you require. I live in FRANCE.
Regards,
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> We are currently defining the constraints that will affect tree
structure.
> One of those constraints is who will be the European branches that
will ship
> overseas to provide the initial
>
> The tree is starting in Germany with Heiko. He is seeding 15 (!)
European
> branches. He's done enough work already, so I'm not asking him to
have to
> ship outside Europe.
>
> Shipping overseas is not really complicated, but some of you are
already
> familiar with the process. If you don't mind shipping overseas -
OR have
> some particular aversion to it - let me know. Otherwise, I will
just assign
> the branches in the most logical geographic way.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] CALL TO EUROPEAN BRANCHES
Hi Joe,
I am willing to ship overseas if you require. I live in FRANCE.
Regards,
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> We are currently defining the constraints that will affect tree
structure.
> One of those constraints is who will be the European branches that
will ship
> overseas to provide the initial
>
> The tree is starting in Germany with Heiko. He is seeding 15 (!)
European
> branches. He's done enough work already, so I'm not asking him to
have to
> ship outside Europe.
>
> Shipping overseas is not really complicated, but some of you are
already
> familiar with the process. If you don't mind shipping overseas -
OR have
> some particular aversion to it - let me know. Otherwise, I will
just assign
> the branches in the most logical geographic way.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:19
pm
Subject: [tree] FINAL CALL FOR TANGERINE TREE ENTRIES/ UPDATES
The database with all tree participants is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
You can edit your own record in this table. Check your record and if
anything needs to be changed, do it now. If you are not listed below,
notify me immediately.
I will begin the tree structure tonight at approx. 0200 GMT.
If you have problems with your yahooID, or are otherwise unable to access
the database, here is a link to the same data, but you cannot edit it; you
have to contact me asap:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treefinal.htm
Thanks,
Joe
Here are the current participants:
Adele Outland
Al Benson
Alex Tye
Alexander Bjelke
André Denis
Andrei Chtcherbatchenko
Andrew Prime
Antonio Nunes
arne richter
Artur Stoncel
baG
Brian aka meta_mythos
Brian Stewart
Brian Walenz
CARLOS A. MARTINEZ
Chris Owen
Chris Towers
Christian Villazónicq: 38543360
Colin Anderson
Colin Anderson
Conrad Gibbons
Craig Chambers
Craig Claerbaut
Craig Cordrey
Dale Kay
Dan Downey
Dan Eberly
Daniel Felice
Dave Dunham
David Foster
Dean Mitchell
Deb H-J
Dennis Nigbur
Dmitriy V. Nikitin
Doug Moon
Duncan McKee
Emanue Salgado Vieira Neto
Éric Rochon
FRANK CASTLE
Fred Reynolds
Gabe Yedid
Gary Dobinson
Georg Oppenberg
Gerry Fox
Gert Jalass
Grant Somerville
Gustavo Jobim
Heiko Heerssen
Heiko Neumann
Hermes Guzman
Hilary Wright
j.gordon
Jacek Szulc
James Owens
Jan Aunsholt
Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
Jeff Misner
Jeff Stevenson
JerzyK
Jim Lawton
Joe Shoults
John Christian
John Marchington
John McIntyre
jonathan ewald
Jonathan Holt
Jorge Figueiredo
Karl W. Reinsch
Kelvin Munson
Ken Beal
Kevin Earley
Kevin Jowers
Kevin Robert Ball
kim pedersen
Kostas
L.T. Darby
Maciej Gozdek
Marc Dodsworth
marc todd
Marcel Engels
Marion Horrod
Mark Filipak
Mark H.
Marko Marin aka TheInfection
Martyn Capel
Martyn Lambert
Matthew Sawyer
Michael Berling
Michael Bonde
Michael Fox
Michael Piersanti
Michael W. Daniels
Michal Moroz
Mikael Jussila
Mikael Stark Runsten
Mike Browder
Morgan Feldon
Neal Frost
Neil Hudson
Neil Jellis
Neil Perryman
Nick Adams
Olle Rundgren
Oscar Dean
Paul Ellis
Paul Fellows
Paul Ridout
Pete Isaacson
Peter Stoeferle
Phil White
Piotr Sulkowski
Radu Velicescu
RAFAL 'Raffi' PALUSZKIEWICZ
Raimo Mäkinen
Richard Maggio
Richard Stockwell
Robert Bobowski
Robert Grabowsky
ROBERT PITAK
Rogelio Cavazos, Jr.
Roger 'arehjay@y...'
Roger Hartopp
Roger Roden
Roger Schuncken
Roger Smith
Siggi Lindhost
Stephen Manship
Steve Collins
Steve Craftman
Steve Jenkins
Steve Whitely
Steve Yensen
tei waz
Tim Lemon
Timo Astala
Tom George
tom weibrecht
Tomas Rydqvist
Torsten Gerber
Utch Entel
Uwe Herold
Veine K Vikberg
Vic Rek
Vince LeGrand
Vincent Goudreault
Vincent Guérenne
Volkmar Friauf
Wouter Bessels
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From:
herold.u@t...
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] FINAL CALL FOR TANGERINE TREE ENTRIES/ UPDATES
Hi Joe,
the link
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treefinal.htm
doesn't work (?)
I'd sign up as a branch for '5' (redbook) . I'll ship oversea too - no
problem.
My address (to complete my datas):
Uwe Herold
Wölbattendorfer Weg 51
95030 Hof
Germany
cheers,
Uwe
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:19 PM
Subject: [tadream] [tree] FINAL CALL FOR TANGERINE TREE ENTRIES/ UPDATES
The database with all tree participants is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
You can edit your own record in this table. Check your record and if
anything needs to be changed, do it now. If you are not listed below,
notify me immediately.
I will begin the tree structure tonight at approx. 0200 GMT.
If you have problems with your yahooID, or are otherwise unable to access
the database, here is a link to the same data, but you cannot edit it; you
have to contact me asap:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treefinal.htm
Thanks,
Joe
Here are the current participants:
Adele Outland
Al Benson
Alex Tye
Alexander Bjelke
André Denis
Andrei Chtcherbatchenko
Andrew Prime
Antonio Nunes
arne richter
Artur Stoncel
baG
Brian aka meta_mythos
Brian Stewart
Brian Walenz
CARLOS A. MARTINEZ
Chris Owen
Chris Towers
Christian Villazónicq: 38543360
Colin Anderson
Colin Anderson
Conrad Gibbons
Craig Chambers
Craig Claerbaut
Craig Cordrey
Dale Kay
Dan Downey
Dan Eberly
Daniel Felice
Dave Dunham
David Foster
Dean Mitchell
Deb H-J
Dennis Nigbur
Dmitriy V. Nikitin
Doug Moon
Duncan McKee
Emanue Salgado Vieira Neto
Éric Rochon
FRANK CASTLE
Fred Reynolds
Gabe Yedid
Gary Dobinson
Georg Oppenberg
Gerry Fox
Gert Jalass
Grant Somerville
Gustavo Jobim
Heiko Heerssen
Heiko Neumann
Hermes Guzman
Hilary Wright
j.gordon
Jacek Szulc
James Owens
Jan Aunsholt
Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
Jeff Misner
Jeff Stevenson
JerzyK
Jim Lawton
Joe Shoults
John Christian
John Marchington
John McIntyre
jonathan ewald
Jonathan Holt
Jorge Figueiredo
Karl W. Reinsch
Kelvin Munson
Ken Beal
Kevin Earley
Kevin Jowers
Kevin Robert Ball
kim pedersen
Kostas
L.T. Darby
Maciej Gozdek
Marc Dodsworth
marc todd
Marcel Engels
Marion Horrod
Mark Filipak
Mark H.
Marko Marin aka TheInfection
Martyn Capel
Martyn Lambert
Matthew Sawyer
Michael Berling
Michael Bonde
Michael Fox
Michael Piersanti
Michael W. Daniels
Michal Moroz
Mikael Jussila
Mikael Stark Runsten
Mike Browder
Morgan Feldon
Neal Frost
Neil Hudson
Neil Jellis
Neil Perryman
Nick Adams
Olle Rundgren
Oscar Dean
Paul Ellis
Paul Fellows
Paul Ridout
Pete Isaacson
Peter Stoeferle
Phil White
Piotr Sulkowski
Radu Velicescu
RAFAL 'Raffi' PALUSZKIEWICZ
Raimo Mäkinen
Richard Maggio
Richard Stockwell
Robert Bobowski
Robert Grabowsky
ROBERT PITAK
Rogelio Cavazos, Jr.
Roger 'arehjay@y...'
Roger Hartopp
Roger Roden
Roger Schuncken
Roger Smith
Siggi Lindhost
Stephen Manship
Steve Collins
Steve Craftman
Steve Jenkins
Steve Whitely
Steve Yensen
tei waz
Tim Lemon
Timo Astala
Tom George
tom weibrecht
Tomas Rydqvist
Torsten Gerber
Utch Entel
Uwe Herold
Veine K Vikberg
Vic Rek
Vince LeGrand
Vincent Goudreault
Vincent Guérenne
Volkmar Friauf
Wouter Bessels
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 11:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] FINAL CALL FOR TANGERINE TREE ENTRIES/ UPDAT ES
sorry- you must have looked right before I put it up. try again. I made
note of your info, Uwe. thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: herold.u@t... [mailto:herold.u@t...]
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> the link
> http://www.tadream.net/tree/treefinal.htm
> doesn't work (?)
>
> I'd sign up as a branch for '5' (redbook) . I'll ship oversea too - no
> problem.
>
> My address (to complete my datas):
> Uwe Herold
> Wölbattendorfer Weg 51
> 95030 Hof
> Germany
>
> cheers,
> Uwe
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 11:43
pm
Subject: mysql
>Administrator for kay-net.com said:
>What I would like to do is
>take all the facts that can be gathered, place into a sql database then
>pop it onto one of my web servers that has mysql running for access
>via web search / query
My original idea was really a kludge. To make an input file that's read
into a quickbasic program I would write that generates the HTML files.
I've got MySQL on my feldoncentral.com website. (I have a vBulletin forum
running there).
What I need is software to make a nice front-end that doesn't feel so
'Databasey.' Suggestions welcome.
I'd much rather do it all by database if possible. Contact me off-list
morgan @ tivofan.com or by clicking 'Reply' above.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:47
am
Subject: Addresses?
Not sure about people's mailing addresses being revealed in the database to
any member.
Shouldn't this information be private? I even worry a bit about full last
names being revealed but that's just me. :)
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:52
am
Subject: Readability
>Mark Filipak said:
>With all sincere respects, you cannot easily email a database and it is
>difficult for a large number of people to collaborate on a database. Plain
>text
>is easy and if it is consistently formatted, it is just as easy to extract
>information from it as from a database. Please, I beg. Don't turn it into a
>database. That would be too limiting and too hard to work with on a global
>basis.
I'm sorry, but the readability of your information chunks has been pretty
limited and posting this information without hyperlinks, is not something
that I desire. Also I'm not sure where the idea that databases make
collaboration harder came from. The reason databases exist is for
collaboration. They are specifically tailored for it.
The worst possible thing would be to have 50 copies of a 300kb text file
floating around, each with modifications. I would much rather have several
backups of the database on my hard drive and a few people would be able to
log in and make changes/updates (and I would maintain a changelog).
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:53
am
Subject: Torwar 83
Jerry and someone else from Poland have given me conflicting information
about which show was interrupted at the 10 minute, 30 second point, Evening
or Afternoon. I'm going to go by Afternoon for now. I don't know if the
power went out or a piece of equipment exploded, but the music dies
mid-note and after a second, the audience applauds what they've played so
far (I hope they're not applauding an absence of music!). An unknown amount
of time elapses before they get it straightened out and resume on part 2 of
Poland (the bridge-type track).
I've got the pitch-corrected Dreaming On Ice Stadium bootleg of the
December 10, 1983 evening and (30 minutes of) the afternoon show (assuming
the afternoon show is what had the power failure). It's a great bootleg
once you get sorted out what is what! I ended up completely reshuffling all
the tracks to match the actual setlist. Not sure why the tracks are in the
order chosen.
>Administrator said:
>FOR 'POLAND': (BTW, Jerzy K. has already told me that 1) there was no power
>failure in the evening show, 2) there was one short delay in the afternoon
>show, and 3) the album 'Poland' was not recorded at the Torwar show. But I'm
>going to hold off on updating this entry until I can hear 'Dreaming on Ice
>Stadium Evening' with my own ears as I have a half-hour video of the Torwar
>show -- the Pagart video -- and it seems to follow the beginning of the
>'Poland' album perfectly, so I'm skeptical of what Jerzy has said -- sorry
>Jerzy.
The Pagart video does not match the Poland album. I can give you time
indexes where they differ if you like. It is quite obvious in places, but
then again I have a strange knack for recognizing from 20 paces when
something 'new' appears in the music.
For instance, the Logos Dominion CD, for the most part, matches the actual
Dominion show in 82, including the announcement 'thank you for being
patient' BUT the last 8 minutes of the Logos CD are quite different.
Johannes got carried away on the melody line here in the live version and
it was re-recorded in the studio. If anything, set 2 of the Logos CD more
closely matches other 82 shows like 82 Dusseldorf, but there are still
tonal and melodic differences even between that and the Logos CD.
Also, is there any confirmation that the 1983 Poland video (which I also
possess on video CD now) is indeed from December 10, 1983? I need to
compare these again because there seem to be differences here too. There
were several other shows in 1983 Poland.
>Also, if the 'Poland' album was a total reperformance, why would Edgar
>have put the break indicated below between segments 3 & 4? -- which you
>can see
>clearly with a wav editor even if you think it is merely a pause, which it
>clearly is NOT!)
Because they performed it in the studio and didn't bother to stop and
restart between Poland and Tangent. In fact, the names 'Poland' and
'Tangent' are arbitrary. It had to be faded at the 22 minute mark to fit on
vinyl and they didn't bother to reassemble it when they put it on
CD. Logos vinyl has the same type of fade in/out but it was fixed before
they put it out on CD.
Compare the Poland 2CD release to a pitch-corrected Dreaming on Ice Stadium
and there are irrefutable differences.
Poland segments 1-3 duration from the first note to the beginning of
Tangent is:
21:31 on the official CD
26:32 on the 'Dreaming on Ice Stadium' bootleg
28:45 on the Osaka, Japan 83 recording (if you're curious)
You can sit there with a pen and paper and count the number of times the
sequence is repeated before the melody kicks in and it's nearly double on
Dreaming and nearly triple on Osaka. This is not unheard of at all! In fall
1981, they started playing the first 3 1/2 minute coda of Logos. But at the
time, it was an unrefined, repetitious 10 minute track! They cleaned it up
for the 82 shows.
My focus on this website is to cover bootlegs only and not even to go into
detail as to what tracks were played at each. Mark Shaffer and John Burek's
tour description website
(http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html) already does a
better job at covering this than I ever could.
I also think it is beyond the scope to try to cover Vic's (And other's)
specialty, listing/having 1 copy of each album as released in every
possible country with every possible artwork. :) (just kidding Vic!)
Really, there is plenty known about the officially released stuff. The only
documentation I plan to have about official releases is where some or all
of the contents of an official release matches (or is professed to match or
be representative of!) a live show.
I'm sure others will have opinions.
Also, Administrator, I lose a lot of the effect of your Chronology because
I read tadream on the yahoo website and all your neatly lined up columns
get lost in the translation.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:57
am
Subject: Plaintext parser
>There's absolutely no
>reason why you or I couldn't write a parser to extract information from a
>consistently formatted text file. Will you at least give me that?
Actually, my original idea was to do a file with tags and write my own
parser to generate HTML pages. I might still do this. But tags look ugly
(and hyperlinks look even worse) in a plaintext file if you are trying to
read it. My files would look like:
[date]YYMMDD
[loc]Houston, TX
[venue]Astrodome
-description here-
[boot]MM:SS
[rating]7
[name]The Tangerine-colored Cowboy
(sorry i am replying to these posts in bursts, I should read ahead and
write single replies to multiple posts)
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:14
am
Subject: RE: Problems with mailing list
That is correct. The artwork for the jewel cases and CDRs will be available
for download, and just like the movie 'Clue', we have three different
versions! Maff, Duncan and Gustavo are all working on their versions, and
once done, we will post links (see footer link, where you can see design
previews). We will also have a template for you to make your own box for a
boxed set in which to store all the jewel cases, and the artwork to glue to
it. At least one design will have a spine image; that is, that when you
line up all the CDRs side by side, their edges will form a single image.
If you can't print your own, I know that Kinkos will print stuff that you
e-mail to them (done it), then mail it back to you. If I can use the color
printer at work, I'll go get some photo paper for the best possible print.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: 3N
...
Joe, I have one question more. The cover art-works we will copied onto
the additional cdr? Or we must print it and send to the next participant?
(digital) format - for me is the best solution - now I can print
it on the photopaper with my own colour correction.
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 1:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
Force Majeure is the album I put on when I need an
escape...
Tangram is exceptionally beautiful but it does leave
me feeling somewhat solemn afterwards...
I could do this for hours and have something different
for each album! The influence of music on one's moods
is tremendously important when determining how
important a song is to the listener. Being apathetic
towards a piece of music, be it Britney, Bach or
Edgar's latest is just about impossible...
Thoughts, anyone?
--- Art Of Vision wrote:
> What albums have strong influence on your mood?
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From:
'edmorrisuk'
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:02
pm
Subject: Inferno
Hi all
Decided to sign up after months of reading communications. A very
interesting and informative discussion group.
My name is Ed Morris and I live in Swansea, Wales, UK. Been a fan of
Tangerine Dream since I first read a review, and then purchased
Rubycon in early 1975. First saw them live in 1976 on the Stratosfear
tour (found the ticket stub last year!). Last saw them in London in
May of last year.
Just received the latest listing from Compact Disc Services in
Dundee. 'Inferno' is listed at £12.99 - says its due out in Feb.
Anyone else know if this is correct?.
Ed
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Torwar 83
Morgan Feldon wrote:
-snip-
> >Administrator said:
> >FOR 'POLAND': (BTW, Jerzy K. has already told me that 1) there was no power
> >failure in the evening show, 2) there was one short delay in the afternoon
> >show, and 3) the album 'Poland' was not recorded at the Torwar show. But I'm
> >going to hold off on updating this entry until I can hear 'Dreaming on Ice
> >Stadium Evening' with my own ears as I have a half-hour video of the Torwar
> >show -- the Pagart video -- and it seems to follow the beginning of the
> >'Poland' album perfectly, so I'm skeptical of what Jerzy has said -- sorry
> >Jerzy.
Morgan, that was me, Mark Filipak, not 'Administrator'.
-snip lots of useful info about 'Poland' that saves me a lot of listening
time...
... thanks Morgan!-
> Also, Administrator, I lose a lot of the effect of your Chronology because
> I read tadream on the yahoo website and all your neatly lined up columns
> get lost in the translation.
Again, it is me: Mark. Yeah, web mail sucks. I formatted the chronology for 73
characters per line because that is compatible with all browser defaults...
except then along comes web mail, which looks like it wraps lines at about 40
characters to fit into the teeny, tiny window it gives you. So stop using sucky
web mail and be a real man. (No offense intended to real women, it's just that
Morgan seems to be the more manly type of critter.)
Ciao -- Mark (who guesses he'll simply continue to pilfer everyone else's
research)
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 8:10
am
Subject: techies
>Maybe somebody should start one for acute
>techies -- because for many of us, there has been cute a
>waste of bandwidth going on here lately.
Discographic details was exactly what the goblinsclub list
had been formed for, after similar complaints about people
discussing LP matrix numbers etc...
Of course, most of our list members are Americans, so the
typical attention span to expect is about 8 seconds, but...
;-) ;-) ;-)
klaus
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 8:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] techies
In a message dated 2/1/2002 2:10:46 AM Central Standard Time, klaus@c...
writes:
> Of course, most of our list members are Americans, so the
> typical attention span to expect is about 8 seconds, but...
> ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> klaus
>
*Oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dot ees zo funny. Here ees another funny ztory
about
ztupid people:
Jerusalem - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder accidentally extinguished the
eternal flame at Israel's Holocaust memorial that burns in memory of the six
million Jews exterminated by the Nazis, AFP correspondents said.
The German leader, who is on a tour of the Middle East, turned the switch the
wrong way on the flame in the darkened boulder-lined Hall of Remembrance at
the Yad Vashem memorial in Jerusalem, they said.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak tried in vain to relight the flame that
burns near a crypt containing the ashes of Holocaust victims, and it was only
after a few minutes that it was reignited by a Yad Vashem employee with a
cigarette lighter.
Yad Vashem is the memorial to victims of the Holocaust, the Nazi German
slaughter of six million Jews during World War II that led to the creation of
the Jewish state in 1948. The memorial is virtually an obligatory stop for
official guests in Israel.
'Without knowledge of the past there is no way to a future,' Schroeder wrote
in the memorial's book of remembrance. He also laid a wreath in commemoration
of those killed.
(AFP)
Ah yez EET EES ZO FUNNY TO ZTEREOTYPE!
Poly
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 9:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
>Force Majeure is the album I put on when I need an
>escape...
From the Reality, or to scare other people off? :-)
>I could do this for hours and have something different
>for each album! The influence of music on one's moods
>is tremendously important when determining how
>important a song is to the listener. Being apathetic
>towards a piece of music, be it Britney, Bach or
>Edgar's latest is just about impossible...
>Thoughts, anyone?
Well, to listen a piece and remain completely emotionless is of course
impossible. But I think some pieces may have multiple influences, depending
on your state of mind to begin with, and some have only very little
influence. And some albums have too many different moods that none can rise
above another, as in eg. Poland or Logos.
If you want a few examples, then Mysterious Semblance @ etc. may sound to me
ghastly and otherworldly if I play it right after Zeit, but if I play it
after Hyperborea it'll be a nice wintry ambient piece. Then, there're pieces
like Choronzon which may be plain fun but which don't evoke actually
themselves much, it's more about the context.
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 11:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
--- Art Of Vision wrote:
> What albums have strong influence on your mood?
> That's
> very important part of TD music, at least for me.
>
> Sorcerer, Rubicon - this are the most
> mood-affecting.
> They often help when I'm tired or just feel bad
Rubycon and Sorcerer works for me too. And Encore.
Regards,
TheInfection
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Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 1:17
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder
hello everyone:
just a reminder that I'll be taking sign-ups for the Dreamwatchers' Tales II
tree until February 15th
tree structure to be posted by the 18th
information on the project and handy sign-up links are available at
http://www.tadream.net/
cheers!
tom
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 11:56
am
Subject: Re: Cyclone
>The intro in Bent Cold Sidewalk is a strange one, but
in a good way. After
>that the main theme is catchy, perhaps too poppy
butothervise great.
>Jollife's vocals are funny, surreal and sort of
philosophical; not exactly
>perfection but not far either. Here's by the way how
I heard the first 4
>lines on the first time:
>'On this key, time will smile
>Youngens' love, lose your mind
>A desert dawn became sober
>A Russian sound is bound inside'
>Even werider than what they actually are.
And what they actually are? It's almost impossible to
hear it from the music, especially intro:)) Something
about trees...
AoV
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 8:26
am
Subject: Re: Mood-affecting albums
>Exit tends to get me nostalgic, mostly because it was
my first one.
Exit is calming and thoughtful. An image often appears
when I'm listening to Exit and Remote Viewing tracks:
raining in the giant empty city at night.
The titles of tracks on Exit mean something like
'Escape and look at everything from distance' - that's
what this album does with me. But I always listen to
it beginning with 'Pilots...' .
>The bonus disc in Dream Roots is very relaxing.
And sevenlettersfromtibet too.
>The impression you get after listening an album and
the one you have while
>listening to it is of course different - it largely
depends on the last few
>minutes.
Sometimes it's last few minutes (Cool At Heart really
reverses the whole Melrose album) but often happens in
the middle. For example the don-don-don-don section
saves Ricochet part 2 ; And unpleasant voices spoil
the mood of Tangram set 2, and because set 2 goes
after set 1, positive effect of set 1 is reduced
heavily.
>Take White Eagle for instance; the title track is
very soothing but
>the rest is somewhat nervous.
>
>John Vertical
>
That's strange. I'm listening to this album so often
only because of a masterpiece Mojave Plan. Midnight
and Convention are just weak tracks and White Eagle is
too short and somehow funny because of the 'ta-ta-ta'
in the middle.
AoV
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 2:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder
Tom Richmond wrote:
> information on the project and handy sign-up links are available at
> http://www.tadream.net/
I have a couple of questions about this tree.
On http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/default.htm you can read:
'Note that there is another current tree project in the tadream list; it
and this one are mutually exclusive.'
Does it mean that if I participate in one tree, I can't participate in
the other?
You can read also:
''In Memoriam' is a DTS track and can only be heard with a proper
installation'.
Does it mean that this track won't play at all on a conventional CD
player? I don't have a home theater amplifier with Dolby AC and DTS, and
I'd rather have an 'ordinary' track that I can play, than a DTS track
that I can't play at all. Also, if I can't play the track, how can I be
sure that I've received a good CDR and how can I test the copy I made
for my branch?
Antonio
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 2:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Cyclone
Checkout the most complete form of the lyrics:
http://www.tadream.net/archives/lyrics/cyclone.txt
clarified by Steve Joliffe himself.
James
'When I talk to the trees,
O Great trees who have learned to speak slowly,
I know that they believe they have an answer.
Then I walk in the city, where I cannot hear it.'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Art Of Vision [mailto:artofvision01@y...]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:57 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Cyclone
>
>
> >The intro in Bent Cold Sidewalk is a strange one, but
> in a good way. After
> >that the main theme is catchy, perhaps too poppy
> butothervise great.
> >Jollife's vocals are funny, surreal and sort of
> philosophical; not exactly
> >perfection but not far either. Here's by the way how
> I heard the first 4
> >lines on the first time:
> >'On this key, time will smile
> >Youngens' love, lose your mind
> >A desert dawn became sober
> >A Russian sound is bound inside'
> >Even werider than what they actually are.
>
> And what they actually are? It's almost impossible to
> hear it from the music, especially intro:)) Something
> about trees...
>
> AoV
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:15
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...]
> Does it mean that if I participate in one tree, I can't participate in
> the other?
no way, you can participate in both, but you sign up with Tom Richmond for
Dreamwatcher's Tales, and with Joe Shoults for Tangerine Tree.
I can't answer the DTS question.
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:20
pm
Subject: names/adresses
>Not sure about people's mailing addresses being revealed in the
>database to any member.
>
>Shouldn't this information be private? I even worry a bit about full
>last names being revealed but that's just me. :)
How true.
there's even a fitting soundtrack to this statement.
Kraftwerk - Computerwelt:
'Interpol und Deutsche Bank,
FBI und Scotland Yard,
Finanzamt und das BKA,
haben unsere Daten da...'
;-)
klaus
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] names/adresses
I have removed the addresses.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
> >Shouldn't this information be private? I even worry a bit
> about full last names being revealed but that's just me. :)
>
> How true.
From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: Origin of TD name
About two years ago I reported to the list that the proprietor of my
favorite local junkyard- er, used auto parts store, noticed my Tangerine
Dream T-shirt once when I was there and said it was indeed a variety of acid
he used to drop repeatedly in the '60s.
Scott
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 4:38
pm
Subject: Chronology
Actually, there has been a print chronology around for several years now.
It's called _Mysterious Semblance_ and it was written by this dude named
Scott Plumer. Rumor has it that's he's working on a new edtion.... :-)
Scott
NP: TD, 1/31/80
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] techies
This too does not belong here.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] techies
> In a message dated 2/1/2002 2:10:46 AM Central Standard Time,
klaus@c...
> writes:
>
>
> > Of course, most of our list members are Americans, so the
> > typical attention span to expect is about 8 seconds, but...
> > ;-) ;-) ;-)
> >
> > klaus
> >
>
> *Oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dot ees zo funny. Here ees another funny ztory
> about
> ztupid people:
>
> Jerusalem - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder accidentally extinguished
the
> eternal flame at Israel's Holocaust memorial that burns in memory of the
six
> million Jews exterminated by the Nazis, AFP correspondents said.
>
> The German leader, who is on a tour of the Middle East, turned the switch
the
> wrong way on the flame in the darkened boulder-lined Hall of Remembrance
at
> the Yad Vashem memorial in Jerusalem, they said.
>
> Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak tried in vain to relight the flame that
> burns near a crypt containing the ashes of Holocaust victims, and it was
only
> after a few minutes that it was reignited by a Yad Vashem employee with a
> cigarette lighter.
>
> Yad Vashem is the memorial to victims of the Holocaust, the Nazi German
> slaughter of six million Jews during World War II that led to the creation
of
> the Jewish state in 1948. The memorial is virtually an obligatory stop for
> official guests in Israel.
>
> 'Without knowledge of the past there is no way to a future,' Schroeder
wrote
> in the memorial's book of remembrance. He also laid a wreath in
commemoration
> of those killed.
> (AFP)
>
> Ah yez EET EES ZO FUNNY TO ZTEREOTYPE!
> Poly
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 5:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] techies
actually un-called for -----> (> Of course, most of our list members are
Americans, so the
> typical attention span to expect is about 8 seconds, but...
> ;-) ;-) ;-) )
I would go further but that will only lead to more problems.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'tadream list (mod)'
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:10 AM
Subject: [tadream] techies
> >Maybe somebody should start one for acute
> >techies -- because for many of us, there has been cute a
> >waste of bandwidth going on here lately.
>
> Discographic details was exactly what the goblinsclub list
> had been formed for, after similar complaints about people
> discussing LP matrix numbers etc...
>
> Of course, most of our list members are Americans, so the
> typical attention span to expect is about 8 seconds, but...
> ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> klaus
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 7:25
pm
Subject: variety
>noticed my Tangerine
Dream T-shirt once when I was there and said it was indeed a variety of acid
he used to drop repeatedly in the '60s.
keeping with the overkill thread of either too much attention or a
less-thann-8-second attention span--did he indicate if it was of the blotter
or windowpane variety?
--T
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'fozziebear'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 7:54
pm
Subject: unsubscribe
Can the powers that be please unsubscribe my old address please of
fozziebear@b... so that I just receive mail on my new address.
Thanks.
David
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From:
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Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 11:11
pm
Subject: rare items on ebay
hi everyone
i have put up for auction 2 of my hand numbered cd plaques
have a look here
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 12:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >Force Majeure is the album I put on when I need an
> >escape...
>
>
> From the Reality, or to scare other people off? :-)
A bit of both!!!
If you want to kill off a party, put on Zeit...unless
there's some of that waccy baccy going about...*cough*
ahem!
I feel 'held' when I put on Exit. It's beauty is
almost disconcerting. It's also an example of how
sometimes 36 minutes is just long enough for an
album... In these days of 70+ minute album on cd, it's
amazing how many bands fall victim to the old adage
'never mind the quality, feel the width'. However, I
think that with Mars Polaris and DM3, TD has escaped
that trap.
Cheers!
Jonathan.
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From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 1:16
am
Subject: Re: Origin of TD name
Shhhhhh...man, you blew it! Now everyone will know the truth!
I still can't believe how many people didn't know/wan't to believe that TD =
took it's name from an acid tab....
*8ƒ
--- In tadream@y..., 'Scott' wrote:
> About two years ago I reported to the list that the proprietor of my
> favorite local junkyard- er, used auto parts store, noticed my Tangerine
> Dream T-shirt once when I was there and said it was indeed a variety of a=
cid
> he used to drop repeatedly in the '60s.
>
> Scott
From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 8:29
am
Subject: Re: techies
I agree, Even if Klaus meant his remark to be humourous, it is still
true (thank goodness) that we all come from different cultures with
different histories ... and sense of humours!
Let's live in peace and try to make a world in which everyone has
free expression and liberty!
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
wrote:
> This too does not belong here.
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and
Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] techies
>
>
> > In a message dated 2/1/2002 2:10:46 AM Central Standard Time,
> klaus@c...
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > Of course, most of our list members are Americans, so the
> > > typical attention span to expect is about 8 seconds, but...
> > > ;-) ;-) ;-)
> > >
> > > klaus
> > >
> >
> > *Oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dot ees zo funny. Here ees another
funny ztory
> > about
> > ztupid people:
> >
> > Jerusalem - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder accidentally
extinguished
> the
> > eternal flame at Israel's Holocaust memorial that burns in memory
of the
> six
> > million Jews exterminated by the Nazis, AFP correspondents said.
> >
> > The German leader, who is on a tour of the Middle East, turned
the switch
> the
> > wrong way on the flame in the darkened boulder-lined Hall of
Remembrance
> at
> > the Yad Vashem memorial in Jerusalem, they said.
> >
> > Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak tried in vain to relight the
flame that
> > burns near a crypt containing the ashes of Holocaust victims, and
it was
> only
> > after a few minutes that it was reignited by a Yad Vashem
employee with a
> > cigarette lighter.
> >
> > Yad Vashem is the memorial to victims of the Holocaust, the Nazi
German
> > slaughter of six million Jews during World War II that led to the
creation
> of
> > the Jewish state in 1948. The memorial is virtually an obligatory
stop for
> > official guests in Israel.
> >
> > 'Without knowledge of the past there is no way to a future,'
Schroeder
> wrote
> > in the memorial's book of remembrance. He also laid a wreath in
> commemoration
> > of those killed.
> > (AFP)
> >
> > Ah yez EET EES ZO FUNNY TO ZTEREOTYPE!
> > Poly
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 10:01
am
Subject: sorry...
... for my inappropriate 'attention span' comment.
klaus
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 10:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Addresses?
You're right. I was even a bit shocked when I found out that our names are
posted on the net for all to see. My girlfriend typed my name into the search
engine, and it spat out lots of links to several websites that had all our
contributions to the album discussions on this list on them. I wasn't aware
this was happening.
Dennis
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From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: 01 February 2002 00:47
Subject: [tadream] Addresses?
> Not sure about people's mailing addresses being revealed in the database to
> any member.
>
> Shouldn't this information be private? I even worry a bit about full last
> names being revealed but that's just me. :)
>
> -Morgan
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 10:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gelsenkirchen - Dennis & Klaus
Fine, except maybe that the Musiktheater tends to do opera rather than
concerts. But this is a minor point.
Dennis
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From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: 31 January 2002 15:59
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gelsenkirchen - Dennis & Klaus
> Dennis & Klaus.
>
> Pending confirmation from Dennis' aunt, would you say this is an appropriate
entry for the concert?
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Buer-Hassel, Germany [11 Nov 81] - EF+CF+JS
> _______
> __/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
> Gelsenkirchen Musiktheater im Revier (Gelsenkirchen District Concert
> Hall) production at Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche (St. Luke's Church
> Community Center),
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Please be critical...
>
> Thanks -- Mark
>
> Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> >
> > >You know a lot about Schalke country, Klaus. Where do you live?
> >
> > Near Stuttgart, but my uncle lives in GE and, more to the topic,
> > Chris Horn grew up and still lived in GE while contributing to
> > Dream Collector.
> >
> > Yes, the 'Musiktheater im Revier' is a concert hall in the
> > south of GE, but from time to time they organise 'outside'
> > shows and market them under their label. The TD concert
> > was such an event.
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 1:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
>If you want to kill off a party, put on Zeit...unless
>there's some of that waccy baccy going about...*cough*
>ahem!
I don't get it, having only 17 years of life-experience and not much even in
that... Though I don't probably even want to know. Err, just ignore this...
>I feel 'held' when I put on Exit. It's beauty is
>almost disconcerting. It's also an example of how
>sometimes 36 minutes is just long enough for an
>album...
I don't see either how quantity could ever replace quality. Exit and its
wonderful textures to which I easily sink within is an especially good
example. And then there're of course Ricochet, Rubycon, Phaedra etc.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 1:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'In Memoriam'
>''In Memoriam' is a DTS track and can only be heard with a proper
>installation'.
The words 'in memoriam' suddendly caugth my attention. I have a
2-albums-on-one-CD sampler from a rather unknown Russian 80s EM band called
Zodiak, and the first album out of the two is also called 'In Memoriam'.
Does anyone know anything about this band, for I know very little..
John Vertical
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 1:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] FINAL CALL FOR TANGERINE TREE ENTRIES/ UPDATES
Hey Joe -- I've been away from my e-mail for the last few days (and have
been admitably lazy in the previous weeks); can you squeeze me in as a:
Leaf, Redbook, Atlanta, GA, moxica@m...
If not, I'll understand, too.
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:01 PM
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] FINAL CALL FOR TANGERINE TREE ENTRIES/
UPDATES
sorry- you must have looked right before I put it up. try again. I made
note of your info, Uwe. thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: herold.u@t... [mailto:herold.u@t...]
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> the link
> http://www.tadream.net/tree/treefinal.htm
> doesn't work (?)
>
> I'd sign up as a branch for '5' (redbook) . I'll ship oversea too - no
> problem.
>
> My address (to complete my datas):
> Uwe Herold
> Wölbattendorfer Weg 51
> 95030 Hof
> Germany
>
> cheers,
> Uwe
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 1:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
>Exit is calming and thoughtful. An image often appears
>when I'm listening to Exit and Remote Viewing tracks:
>raining in the giant empty city at night.
The title track also evokes images of nighttime rain to me, but not in a
city - rather a certain road near where the suburbs start to fade into
countryside. A symbol of being far from home.
Remote Viewing is to me like staring to the horizon just after sunset, when
everything starts dimming..
>But I always listen to
>it beginning with 'Pilots...' .
If you hate the vocals of Kiew Mission, just skip over them and listen the
rest of the track. It's brilliant!
>Sometimes it's last few minutes (Cool At Heart really
>reverses the whole Melrose album) but often happens in
>the middle.
Yes, some albums do have 'twists in the plot' but I mean that the last
impression an album leaves you depends heavily on the last section. At least
my impressions do. Perhaps you still are in mood of a previous section when
it's gone a long time ago, but I really am not.
Note that I'm speaking of the feeling you have _immediately_ after the album
ends, not the one you have after some two hours or so.
>For example the don-don-don-don section
>saves Ricochet part 2;
If you ask me it's more like the opposite.
>And unpleasant voices spoil
>the mood of Tangram set 2, and because set 2 goes
>after set 1, positive effect of set 1 is reduced
>heavily.
Unpleasant voices... exactly. The weird-howling-voices -section around 16-17
mins is awful and the 2nd quarter (up to the small rhytmless bridge) with
its hecticness and too contrastful voices also easily starts annoying.
Aluckily the sweet outro saves the track.
>That's strange. I'm listening to this album so often
>only because of a masterpiece Mojave Plan. Midnight
>and Convention are just weak tracks and White Eagle is
>too short and somehow funny because of the 'ta-ta-ta'
>in the middle.
>
>AoV
Quite true, but you can't say Mojave Plan would be relaxing. White Eagle
_is_ too short however.
John Vertical
NP: you. I wonder if I should too get a 'title track'?
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 2:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
On 2 Feb 2002 at 15:53, John Vertical wrote:
> Unpleasant voices... exactly. The weird-howling-voices -section around
> 16-17 mins is awful and the 2nd quarter (up to the small rhytmless
> bridge) with its hecticness and too contrastful voices also easily
> starts annoying. Aluckily the sweet outro saves the track.
It doesn't spoil the album for me at all. I quite like the voices, but I'd
have to listen to the '2nd quarter' again before I can judge on what
you're saying. Tangram, to me, is one of the albums you mention that
morph through a series of moods and melodies, and that part of the
album works just as well as any other. I think Tangram is a beautiful
compromise between the elaboration on a single mood familiar from
earlier TD and the medley-type dovetailing of motifs from the late 80s
onwards.
Dennis
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 3:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
> From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...]
>
> On 2 Feb 2002 at 15:53, John Vertical wrote:
>
> > Unpleasant voices... exactly. The weird-howling-voices -section around
> > 16-17 mins is awful and the 2nd quarter (up to the small rhytmless
> > bridge) with its hecticness and too contrastful voices also easily
> > starts annoying. Aluckily the sweet outro saves the track.
>
> It doesn't spoil the album for me at all. I quite like the
> voices, but I'd
> have to listen to the '2nd quarter' again before I can judge on what
> you're saying. Tangram, to me, is one of the albums you mention that
> morph through a series of moods and melodies, and that part of the
> album works just as well as any other. I think Tangram is a beautiful
> compromise between the elaboration on a single mood familiar from
> earlier TD and the medley-type dovetailing of motifs from the late 80s
> onwards.
I think it's a wonderful part of Tangram...it's part of TD's
music back then.
They should have made more albums like Tangram back then, a good
amount of weirdness and melody. Sadly the weirdness is gone.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 4:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
> > It doesn't spoil the album for me at all. I quite like the
> > voices, but I'd
> > have to listen to the '2nd quarter' again before I can judge on what
> > you're saying. Tangram, to me, is one of the albums you mention that
> > morph through a series of moods and melodies, and that part of the
> > album works just as well as any other. I think Tangram is a beautiful
> > compromise between the elaboration on a single mood familiar from
> > earlier TD and the medley-type dovetailing of motifs from the late 80s
> > onwards.
>
>I think it's a wonderful part of Tangram...it's part of TD's
>music back then.
>They should have made more albums like Tangram back then, a good
>amount of weirdness and melody. Sadly the weirdness is gone.
>
>Marcel
I guess calling the 16-17min part 'awful' was too critical - I just didn't
invent a suitable word. It's definetly however not among the best of TD's
spacey sections. I've never really liked it but not hated either.
The '2nd quarter' is the section with the guitar and the same basic rhytm as
in Pergamon part 1. It's not downright bad, but very annoying to listen
tired: it'll be just unharmonic and noisy. No constructive energy. When on a
suitable mood it can however be pretty good.
Tangram as whole is a wonderful album, I've never denied that. The symphonic
structure has both its pros and cons; it has plenty of things to show and
the structure can be brilliant, but a single motif can sound too short as is
the case with eg. the piano part on Set 1.
John Vertical
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 5:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] sorry...
>
> ... for my inappropriate 'attention span' comment.
>
> klaus
eh...ummm...what was that you were talking about again??
Craig
(from the U.S. of....hmmm, where was I going with this?...did someone say go
'Patriots'?)
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 8:46
pm
Subject: Ship Your Boots to Berlin
I had a big laugh at the US post office today. They hung a new poster saying:
'Ship Your Boots to Berlin. On Time.'
Below the slogan it read 'Global Express Guaranteed 2 Day'.
The poster shows a man opening an express package that contains cowboy boots
:-))
I thought this service may be helpful for the Tangerine Dream CD-R Tree effort
;-)
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 10:16
pm
Subject: [tree] Inferno front cover
Hi folks, I've just finished working on the Inferno front cover, and I've put a
JPEG on our tadream/files folder for you to see. I hope you like it.
-GJ going to the back cover
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 2:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] sorry...
Klaus
Speaking for myself, accepted. I look forward to reading many more
informative post from you on TD.
Dale
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From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'tadream list (mod)'
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:01 AM
Subject: [tadream] sorry...
> ... for my inappropriate 'attention span' comment.
>
> klaus
>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 3:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sounscapes lineup
-----Original Message-----
From: Liondream@a...
>That's a pretty impressive list with just those names there, and would
>definitely make it worth the effort of getting out to Philly. I've been
>wanting to make it out to the Brandywine Museum and the Wyeth Studio (kind of
>a pilgrimage), so I'll definitely have to give this some serious thought.
>In a message dated 1/29/2002 9:48:07 PM Central Standard Time,
>tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>> And don't forget the Gatherings in Philly... This seasons schedule includes
>> Robert Rich, Erik Wollo, and Steve Roach... It could be worth the
>> drive...even from Chicago...
>> MJ (a former Chicagoan who misses hearing 'real' blues)
Wes, Please note that MJ was talking about the Gathering in Philly, a well
established concert series run by Chuck van Zyl, not Soundscapes, my new, yet to
be established concert series in the Lehigh Valley. (I'm looking at your
Subject and wondering if something confused you.)
Cheers,
Bill
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 8:14
am
Subject: [tree] the first 3 covers
well folks, I'm glad to announce that I've finished the work on my covers for
this first batch of the Tangerine Tree, which are the covers of Volumes 1,2 and
3. The Bernau 2001 covers were already there, and I've uploaded the covers for
volume 1 (nottingham 76) and volume 2 (sheffield 74). These are not definitive,
there can be details to be changed or corrected, and also they're a bit
compressed, not the best quality. There's also the spine image thing. But you
can see what they're probably going to be like. I hope you enjoy them! :)
Gustavo Jobim
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Subject: rare item on ebay
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003 8:49
am
Subject: Ship your boots to Berlin
A poster has been going up around town that is blue with a triangle in a
circle. It reminds me of the White Eagle logo.
The poster is advertising Alcoholics Anonymous!
David
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 2:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] the first 3 covers
Where are these covers, Gus? Where is 'there'. -- Mark
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>
> well folks, I'm glad to announce that I've finished the work on my covers for
this first batch of the Tangerine Tree, which are the covers of Volumes 1,2 and
3. The Bernau 2001 covers were already there, and I've uploaded the covers for
volume 1 (nottingham 76) and volume 2 (sheffield 74). These are not definitive,
there can be details to be changed or corrected, and also they're a bit
compressed, not the best quality. There's also the spine image thing. But you
can see what they're probably going to be like. I hope you enjoy them! :)
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 4:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] the first 3 covers
At the list's files folder, at www.yahoogroups.com/group/tadream/files .
>Where are these covers, Gus? Where is 'there'. -- Mark
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
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Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 5:43
pm
Subject: Wanted: Used Tickets, Backstage Passes, Posters
I have a list of used (TD, prog, hard rock, pop) CDs
that I can offer to swap for (un)used tickets, posters
and backstage passes of TD concerts. If you have
something to offer, pls contact me privately at
220Volt@i... and I will send you my list of
approximate 50 CDs.
Thanks
Jeffrey
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 11:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Define CF shortly
Okay, this'll be a rather rambling response (but, hey,
I'm a Ramblin' Guy...) to the question. I can't
define Franke's music in a few words because he's been
all over the place musically.
In TD, I tend to think of him as the chief 'gearhead' --
he's the one who could take a piece of equipment, tear
it down, and make it do what he wanted. Whereas Froese
is/was the big-picture visionary for the group and the
sound, Franke was the one who was reponsible for crafting
many of the tools that gave them that sound.
Since leaving TD, Franke seems to have been swallowed by
the Hollywood soundtrack machine and there's been a lot released
by him that hasn't been soundtrack based. Pacific Coast
Highway was a romantically-tinged concept piece which is
quite good, but left me concerned that he might be taking the
Yanni road of solo career. Klemania was a mix of soundtrack
work and original material -- pretty good sequences worked
in there, but overall still pretty mainstream. Celestine
Prophecy was more of an orchestral piece with vocal sampling
but I feel it to be the best completely original work he's done
with Perry Rhodan a very close second (where a lot of B5 themes
were fully realized). It's nothing like TD, but it's good stuff,
in my opinion.
But Franke has been doing soundtrack work for almost 12 years
now, and he seems to be sitting in place, recognition wise. In
the past decade, we've seen composers like Revell, Zimmer, and
Rabin come from similar starting points and work their way up
to some major titles. While I don't think Franke is in the same
league as Goldsmith or Williams (let's not mention Horner --
this isn't rec.music.movies), but I feel that he's on similar
footing as the other three mentioned above. Is it a matter of
him not having the right connections, or did he tick someone off?
Maybe he put too many eggs in the B5 basket...
- jim
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 2:44
am
Subject: [tadream] [tree] cover for vol 4
Lagging behind Gustavo (damn this flu), I've finished the cover for volume 4
of the tree and it's available for a sneak peek here:
www.maff.da.ru/treeart.htm
Maff
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] cover for vol 4
Nice one. Maff. One small query. How about the album info on the right hand
spine for the rear cover graphics? I assume that was just overlooked.
The front cover looks superb -- and I've just been and had a look at
Gustavo's and I really like his too.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: [tadream] [tree] cover for vol 4
> Lagging behind Gustavo (damn this flu), I've finished the cover for volume
4
> of the tree and it's available for a sneak peek here:
>
> www.maff.da.ru/treeart.htm
>
> Maff
>
>
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 6:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cyclone
I have the lyrics and I think he says something like
'time will slide' rather but anyway, if you can't find
them anywhere, I can always post them here.
Cyclone is a great album. My favourite must be Bent
Cold Sidewalk (which IMO tells a story, how natures
can overcome those bent cold sidewalks).
Regards,
TheInfection
--- John Vertical wrote:
> I recently bought this and want now say something
> about it.
>
> The intro in Bent Cold Sidewalk is a strange one,
> but in a good way. After
> that the main theme is catchy, perhaps too poppy but
> othervise great.
> Jollife's vocals are funny, surreal and sort of
> philosophical; not exactly
> perfection but not far either. Here's by the way how
> I heard the first 4
> lines on the first time:
> 'On this key, time will smile
> Youngens' love, lose your mind
> A desert dawn became sober
> A Russian sound is bound inside'
> Even werider than what they actually are. The middle
> section has some
> resemblance sequence-vise to the time-vise
> corresponding section of Force
> Majeure, ad it has an unique desolate feeling. The
> chorus gets some extra
> edge from the additional horn this time around, and
> the rest goes quite
> logically.
>
> Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender (where the
> heck do they invent track
> names like that from?) has a good background but not
> much other highlights.
> Its length is just fine; any more would begin to get
> boring.
>
> (Side Question: is it Klaus Krüger on the drums or
> not? I've heard both
> statements..)
>
> Madrigal Meridian is nigthmarish. I don't mean it's
> bad, I mean it's rather
> like a soundtrack to a nightmare. Something you
> definetly shouldn't listen
> to while reading a thriller at midnight. The raw
> intro already is promising,
> the energetic main sequence(s) in all its metallic
> grindingness is great and
> the melodies grasp one within. The fake intro once
> again reminds of Force
> Majeure. Then the last flute-frosted sequence is
> incredibly sweet, I want
> more! The very end then feels like a gag...
>
> John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 6:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
--- Jonathan Holt wrote:
> A bit of both!!!
> If you want to kill off a party, put on
> Zeit...unless
> there's some of that waccy baccy going
> about...*cough*
> ahem!
Well, Zeit doesn't work if you're guests are sober. If
they aren't, then they will start to dance. And you
can play Zeit as loud as you want. If neigbours come
and complain, you can always say that you are using
your vacuum cleaner. ;-)
Regards,
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 7:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
Hi there
> You can read also:
>
> ''In Memoriam' is a DTS track and can only be heard with a proper
> installation'.
>
> Does it mean that this track won't play at all on a conventional CD
> player? I don't have a home theater amplifier with Dolby AC and DTS, and
> I'd rather have an 'ordinary' track that I can play, than a DTS track
> that I can't play at all. Also, if I can't play the track, how can I be
> sure that I've received a good CDR and how can I test the copy I made
> for my branch?
>
The DTS track can only be heard with any player (CD, LD or DVD) with a
digital output (generally optical) connected to a home theater amplifier
(with DTS decoding of course).
So the track can be heard through 6 seperate channels.
But if you have not this installtion, you will be abble to discover the
whole track in normal stereo in the Olyam website soon.
www.olyam.com
You can hear short audio clips (real audio) in the Joe Shoults'
www.tadream.net website
Friendly from France
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From:
'artofvision01'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 12:09
pm
Subject: Re: people
> Well, Zeit doesn't work if you're guests are sober. If
> they aren't, then they will start to dance. And you
> can play Zeit as loud as you want. If neigbours come
> and complain, you can always say that you are using
> your vacuum cleaner. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> TheInfection
>
>
Hmm, that's strange. When I'm listening to TD loudly in someone's
presence, people usually make me to swith the music off. Sometimes
even headphones cant help: when people want to talk to you or just
ask something, they don't wait but do it immediately. It's so easy to
spoil everything when you are deep in some long TD track:( That's why
I almost never listen to it at school:((
AoV
From:
'artofvision01'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 12:30
pm
Subject: Re: Mood-affecting albums
>
>
> >But I always listen to
> >it beginning with 'Pilots...' .
>
>
> If you hate the vocals of Kiew Mission, just skip over them and
listen the
> rest of the track. It's brilliant!
>
The rest of the track? Well, it's dark too but not as impressive as
Exit.
>
> >Sometimes it's last few minutes (Cool At Heart really
> >reverses the whole Melrose album) but often happens in
> >the middle.
>
>
> Yes, some albums do have 'twists in the plot' but I mean that the
last
> impression an album leaves you depends heavily on the last section.
At least
> my impressions do. Perhaps you still are in mood of a previous
section when
> it's gone a long time ago, but I really am not.
That's true but you listen to the last part in context of all album
so other parts have their effect. And sometimes the last section is
so unremarkable comparing to the previous (like Dominion).
> Note that I'm speaking of the feeling you have _immediately_ after
the album
> ends, not the one you have after some two hours or so.
>
After two hours I'm usually listening to some quite different album:))
But if speaking of a last one in a row then I usually remember one
piece of music which again and again plays itself in my head; when my
attention turns to something else, I forget it and then it might
appear again.
>
> >For example the don-don-don-don section
> >saves Ricochet part 2;
>
>
> If you ask me it's more like the opposite.
>
For me it gives brightness to this album, otherwise it would be too
monotonous
>
> >And unpleasant voices spoil
> >the mood of Tangram set 2, and because set 2 goes
> >after set 1, positive effect of set 1 is reduced
> >heavily.
>
>
> Unpleasant voices... exactly. The weird-howling-voices -section
around 16-17
> mins is awful and the 2nd quarter (up to the small rhytmless
bridge) with
> its hecticness and too contrastful voices also easily starts
annoying.
> Aluckily the sweet outro saves the track.
>
No, outro is horrible. In this track I like only living middle
sections which have a lot of my favourite 'waiting effect'.
>
> >That's strange. I'm listening to this album so often
> >only because of a masterpiece Mojave Plan. Midnight
> >and Convention are just weak tracks and White Eagle is
> >too short and somehow funny because of the 'ta-ta-ta'
> >in the middle.
> >
> >AoV
>
>
> Quite true, but you can't say Mojave Plan would be relaxing.
I didn't do it. On the opposite, it's very energetic. Easy to
concentrate on it's booming rhytm.
AoV
From:
'artofvision01'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 12:40
pm
Subject: Re: Using TD track names
>
> NP: you. I wonder if I should too get a 'title track'?
>
:):):)
Actually I use my favourite TD track or album names alot. Pilots Of
Purple Twilight, Exit, Stereolight, Remote Viewing, Dr.Destructo,
Twilight Brigade, Sorcerer, Angst(that's KS) - by the time I used all
of this for naming various things.
And for myself Art Of Vision
AoV
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: Gathering lineup confusion
Oh man, you're right! It's that short attention span thing!!! :-)
But mostly too much beer coupled with lots of sequences spinning around in my
head - not much room for anything else in there...
Thanks!
<<< Wes, Please note that MJ was talking about the Gathering in Philly, a well
established concert series run by Chuck van Zyl, not Soundscapes, my new, yet
to
be established concert series in the Lehigh Valley. (I'm looking at your
Subject and wondering if something confused you.)
Cheers,
Bill>>>
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:16
pm
Subject: TD-tree artwork
I had a look at the artwork-suggestions of Gustavo, Jerome and Matt. Good
work, it's a great idea with more than one contributor.
Just one objection/suggestion or whatever You prefer to call it: Why not use
the same font on all covers? Using the same type of text will tie it all
together better.
/Olle
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: people
>Hmm, that's strange. When I'm listening to TD loudly in someone's
>presence, people usually make me to swith the music off. Sometimes
>even headphones cant help: when people want to talk to you or just
>ask something, they don't wait but do it immediately. It's so easy to
>spoil everything when you are deep in some long TD track:( That's why
>I almost never listen to it at school:((
>
>AoV
I agree, this sort of music requires concentration. Or either a good
knowledge of how the piece goes so your mind can 'fill in the gaps'. I quite
often do listen TD in school, well, except after my headphones broke :*(
But you're yet another student? How come I didn't already know this?
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Using TD track names
>Actually I use my favourite TD track or album names alot. Pilots Of
>Purple Twilight, Exit, Stereolight, Remote Viewing, Dr.Destructo,
>Twilight Brigade, Sorcerer, Angst(that's KS) - by the time I used all
>of this for naming various things.
>
>And for myself Art Of Vision
>
>AoV
Wow, that's quite a lot of names. Where do you get enough things to be
named? Do you give TD names also to your pets, pocket knife, shoes or what?
-Oh well. I've been also using TD track names in places where no-one is
going to ever find them, for instance there're now certain custom levels
that're called 'Green Desert' or 'Cloudburst Flight' etc., in a certain
game. What kind of funny places do you use?
I wonder what unused good tracknames there are left at all? Any infernally
long (Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares, Origin of
Supernatural Probabilities) or phrase-like (Too Hot For My Chinchilla,
Invisible Limits) ones don't suit. I don't either want to be known as
'Betrayal' or something so I guess I'll have to choose between Hyperborea
and Fauni-Gena... (BTW, I think that the latter's a park in Berlin, near the
original Zodiak club where Eddie started his career; am I right?)
Or why would I in the first place need an own trackname after all..? Project
abandoned.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
>The rest of the track? Well, it's dark too but not as impressive as
>Exit.
With the 'rest' I mean rather the intro and the short climax. The slow
ambient 2nd half (I prefer to call it 'Aurora Dance') is not bad but not the
greatest one either.
>But if speaking of a last one in a row then I usually remember one
>piece of music which again and again plays itself in my head; when my
>attention turns to something else, I forget it and then it might
>appear again.
Encountered that too; I've found myself humming the last two mellotron
chords of Monolight nonstop for days... Which is actually rather pleasant
when compared to that a few years ago a certain overmerry Christmas carol
was playing in my head for weeks.
>No, outro is horrible. In this track I like only living middle
>sections which have a lot of my favourite 'waiting effect'.
Opinions, opinions. There's something in the melody that's somehow ... well,
Remote. With the capital R.
John Vertical
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 12:25
am
Subject: Re: TD-tree artwork
The artwork for the first batch, 8 volumes, 10 CDRs, is being done by
myself, and Maff and Marko. We agreed on the layout you can see on Maff's
page and on my works; it's the same layout only with different artworks. Did
you mean using the same font all over the place? I'm not sure that would
work... maybe it's just a matter of taste.
> I had a look at the artwork-suggestions of Gustavo, Jerome and Matt. Good
> work, it's a great idea with more than one contributor.
> Just one objection/suggestion or whatever You prefer to call it: Why not use
> the same font on all covers? Using the same type of text will tie it all
> together better.
>
> /Olle
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 8:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno
Hi Ed,
Welcome to the list.
I haven't seen any word about Inferno here in the US. Anybody else?
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: edmorrisuk [mailto:edmorrisuk@y...]
>
> Just received the latest listing from Compact Disc Services in
> Dundee. 'Inferno' is listed at £12.99 - says its due out in Feb.
> Anyone else know if this is correct?.
> Ed
From:
Michael W Daniels
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
At 08:34 AM 2/4/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>The DTS track can only be heard with any player (CD, LD or DVD) with a
>digital output (generally optical) connected to a home theater amplifier
>(with DTS decoding of course).
>So the track can be heard through 6 seperate channels.
So is the track invisible to a normal CD player, or will it just sound strange?
--
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218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.'
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 11:18
pm
Subject: [tree] the first 3 covers
Thanks Gus. They are very beautiful, especially #2.!.!
One suggestion: Use white bordered lettering with black fill to improve
readability against all sorts of backgrounds. You might make the smaller
lettering on the front a point size larger too.
Fantastic!! Ciao -- Mark
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>
> At the list's files folder, at www.yahoogroups.com/group/tadream/files .
>
> >Where are these covers, Gus? Where is 'there'. -- Mark
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 12:08
am
Subject: [tree] tree structure status report
almost there...
a few last minute stragglers, and a couple of tweaks... should be up
tonight!
Joe
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 1:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
By sheer coincidence, I like to listen to Zeit while I
am using the vaccuum cleaner. Like...*serendipity*...
You can tell an old hippy, but you can't tell her much
+;o}
> Well, Zeit doesn't work if you're guests are sober.
> If
> they aren't, then they will start to dance. And you
> can play Zeit as loud as you want. If neigbours come
> and complain, you can always say that you are using
> your vacuum cleaner. ;-)
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 2:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
>The DTS track can only be heard with any player (CD, LD or DVD) with a
>digital output (generally optical) connected to a home theater amplifier
>(with DTS decoding of course).
>So the track can be heard through 6 seperate channels.
>But if you have not this installtion, you will be abble to discover the
>whole track in normal stereo in the Olyam website soon.
>www.olyam.com
>
Hi Everyone,
That's too bad about this track. I'd imagine that most everyone that will
have a copy of the set will not have the setup to play the last track. I
myself just 'inherited' a DTS receiver from a friend who ugraded his. But
it's a moot point, as the only player I have with a digital out, my DVD
player, can not read CDR's. I hope the track will be available at least to
download as an MP3 so I can convert it to a wave and re-burn the second
disc...
Regards,
Dave
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 2:56
am
Subject: Klaus Schulze's 'Das Wagner Desaster'
I don't want to alarm anybody but I felt compelled to write in about the
following.
When the discussion on KS's later compositions took place last month, I
wrote in and mentioned that I had most of them. At that stage I couldn't
have played the 2-CD set of 'Das Wagner Desaster' which I had recently
purchased. I was in for a shock when I played the first CD -- my portable
Sony player went crazy at about 27:24 in the 'Nietzsche' track (2) of disc
1. The panel display light went out and all track and time information
disappeared. The musical phrase then continued to play over and over.
When played on a player with better error-correction, there were small
audible glitches starting at about the same time but they were still
annoying, nevertheless.
I've sent the set back to the US supplier who has played it and confirmed my
experience. He has also played the other five sets he has in stock -- and
has reported that they are all the same! Amazingly, he mentioned that he has
sold about 20 sets during the past 3 - 6 months AND NOT ONE OTHER PERSON HAS
COMPLAINED OF A PROBLEM!
There's clearly a mastering problem here but that still doesn't necessarily
mean of course that EVERY copy is going to be faulty.My set was a German
pressing from ZYX, with catalogue number ZYX 90000-2. It doesn't appear as
if anyone else has pressed it.
The questions I am about to ask are obvious: Do any others have this set
and, if so, it is OK during that track? If it is, where was it purchased?
The rest of the first disc and the entire second are fine, by the way.
Any assistance is appreciated. I'm concerned that I might not be able to get
a good copy of the set and I rate it an excellent album.
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 6:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze's 'Das Wagner Desaster'
At 03:56 PM 2/5/02 +1300, you wrote:
>I was in for a shock when I played the first CD -- my portable
>Sony player went crazy at about 27:24 in the 'Nietzsche' track (2) of disc
>1. The panel display light went out and all track and time information
>disappeared. The musical phrase then continued to play over and over.
>
>The questions I am about to ask are obvious: Do any others have this set
>and, if so, it is OK during that track? If it is, where was it purchased?
>The rest of the first disc and the entire second are fine, by the way.
I have this same set and it plays fine on both discs. Mine is also on
ZYX. I can't remember for sure where I got it from but I think it was Eurock.
Oscar
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 3:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze's 'Das Wagner Desaster'
Thanks Oscar. The mystery deepens. I definitely purchased my set from
Eurock -- and I've already mentioned what Archie Patterson has told me both
about the other sets he has in stock and previous sets he has sold. I'll
write and tell him about your comments.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze's 'Das Wagner Desaster'
> At 03:56 PM 2/5/02 +1300, you wrote:
> >I was in for a shock when I played the first CD -- my portable
> >Sony player went crazy at about 27:24 in the 'Nietzsche' track (2) of
disc
> >1. The panel display light went out and all track and time information
> >disappeared. The musical phrase then continued to play over and over.
> >
> >The questions I am about to ask are obvious: Do any others have this set
> >and, if so, it is OK during that track? If it is, where was it purchased?
> >The rest of the first disc and the entire second are fine, by the way.
>
> I have this same set and it plays fine on both discs. Mine is also on
> ZYX. I can't remember for sure where I got it from but I think it was
Eurock.
>
> Oscar
> http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
>
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:01
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze's 'Das Wagner Desaster'
John,
I just listened to my copy, which is also ZYX-90000-2, and the whole first
disc is fine. Listened to it on a Sony portable too...
But, thanks for making me dig out this fantastic CD, which I haven't
listened to in several years.
Craig
>
> I don't want to alarm anybody but I felt compelled to write in about the
> following.
>
> When the discussion on KS's later compositions took place last month, I
> wrote in and mentioned that I had most of them. At that stage I couldn't
> have played the 2-CD set of 'Das Wagner Desaster' which I had recently
> purchased. I was in for a shock when I played the first CD -- my portable
> Sony player went crazy at about 27:24 in the 'Nietzsche' track (2) of disc
> 1. The panel display light went out and all track and time information
> disappeared. The musical phrase then continued to play over and over.
>
> When played on a player with better error-correction, there were small
> audible glitches starting at about the same time but they were still
> annoying, nevertheless.
>
> I've sent the set back to the US supplier who has played it and
> confirmed my
> experience. He has also played the other five sets he has in stock -- and
> has reported that they are all the same! Amazingly, he mentioned
> that he has
> sold about 20 sets during the past 3 - 6 months AND NOT ONE OTHER
> PERSON HAS
> COMPLAINED OF A PROBLEM!
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 4:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] CDR brands
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> >I know I saw some little program that would tell you this when you
> >popped a blank in.
>
> CDR Identifier does this. You can find it at www.brennmeister.com
> under 'Quick Downloads'
>
> You'll be surprised to find out how many 'brand name' CDRs
> come out of the same two plants in Taiwan ;-)
Well, I downloaded this program and I'm pretty mystified by it.
1 - 'I know I saw some little program...' -- where did this message come from?
I searched all the messages in my computer and could not find this message. Oh,
well. I assume that 'would tell you this' refers to the place the CDR was made
-- at issue is the question: Taiwan, US, Japan, or Ireland?
2 - I ran the program, CDRIdentifier.exe, and it indentifies the following:
ATIP: (whatever this is)
Disc Manufacturer: (not the country)
Recording layer:
Media type:
nominal Capacity:
Recording Speeds:
For example, for some CDRs that Heiko sent me...
ATIP: 97m 28x 26f
Disc Manufacturer: Multi Media Masters_Machinery SA
Recording layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
nominal Capacity: 578.29MB (65m 49s 60f / LBA: 296085)
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
I don't know what to make of this, but it doesn't look like anything that can
answer the question: Taiwan, US, Japan, or Ireland?
Did I get the wrong program? Did I do something wrong?
BTW: To use this program I had to hunt down and then load new ASPI drivers.
This broke my burning program, which I then had to upgrade to make work again.
All in all, I'd say that it wasn't worth it.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 5:35
am
Subject: Romancing the Stone
I read a post here about a week ago that Michael Hoenig was somehow involved
in the soundtrack for 'Romancing the Stone.' I watched the movie last night
and I didn't see Hoenig mentioned in the credits.
Where was he mentioned or is this incorrect?
Vic
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 5:50
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] CDR brands
Mark,
I think you got the right program...just the disk you looked at desn't tell
you much. Look at a Memorex, Imation, etc. or a generic and you will
probably see RITEK as the Manufacturer. Mitsui will say Mitsui, HP or Fuji
will say Taiyo-Yuden, etc.
But yeah, if it caused all those problems, it probably wasn't worth it...
Craig
> 2 - I ran the program, CDRIdentifier.exe, and it indentifies the
> following:
>
> ATIP: (whatever this is)
> Disc Manufacturer: (not the country)
> Recording layer:
> Media type:
> nominal Capacity:
> Recording Speeds:
>
> For example, for some CDRs that Heiko sent me...
>
> ATIP: 97m 28x 26f
> Disc Manufacturer: Multi Media Masters_Machinery SA
> Recording layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
> Media type: CD-Recordable
> nominal Capacity: 578.29MB (65m 49s 60f / LBA: 296085)
> Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
>
> I don't know what to make of this, but it doesn't look like
> anything that can answer the question: Taiwan, US, Japan, or Ireland?
>
> Did I get the wrong program? Did I do something wrong?
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 6:23
am
Subject: CD-R Dyes
The most concise answer I've found on the types of dyes used in CDRs:
http://www.kopyrite.com/cd/theory/cdr_dye.html
-Morgan
P.S. Taiyo-Yuden were the first people to mass-produce dye-based CD
Recordable discs and still make the industry standard discs.
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 7:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
Hi There
>(...)> >So the track can be heard through 6 seperate channels.
>
> So is the track invisible to a normal CD player, or will it just sound
strange?
>
The track is not invisible but it's a terrible sound because of the digital
coding of the DTS format.
The normal stereo track will be soon available on the Olyam Website.
The DTS track is an experiment.
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 7:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
Hi
>
> That's too bad about this track. (...) I hope the track will be available
at least to
> download as an MP3 so I can convert it to a wave and re-burn the second
> disc...
>
The normal stereo track will be soon available online through Olyam website.
So you will be abble to get it entirely.
The DTS track is an experiment.
You can still discover an extract on the tadream.net website.
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 8:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:30:58 -0000 'artofvision01'
writes:
For me, the single most mood-effecting Froese
composition is 'Snake Bath' from the KAMIKAZE
1989 soundtrack.
Stephe likes http://androgyne.0catch.com/body_of.htm
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Part of my search in religion has been to find God buried under a heap of
bigotry and hate like a diamond in a dung heap. -- Jim Costich, 1/19/2002
From:
'bigstupidgeek'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 8:48
am
Subject: Final Tree Structure Posted!
http://www.tadream.net/tree
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 8:49
am
Subject: CDR brands / what's good for trading ?
My local PC World (UK) has stopped stocking Kodak Gold/Silver at
present, so I got some EMTec/ BASF for home use as I copy all
incoming CDR's so I can keep the originals safe. Does anyone know if
these are decent CDR's or not ?
I saw that they had HP discs in stock but most packages don't give
the country of manufacture, are they pretty certain to be made by
Taiyo-Yuden (hence acceptable for trading ?) I need to be sure as I
hope to start trading from my TD collection in the next few weeks and
I don't want to send discs that are not acceptable to others.
Regards
Toby
-------
Look at a Memorex, Imation, etc. or a generic and you will
> probably see RITEK as the Manufacturer. Mitsui will say Mitsui, HP
or Fuji
> will say Taiyo-Yuden, etc.
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 9:16
am
Subject: [tadream] Concerts for which fan tapes don't exist
Hi all,
As Duncan McKee seems to have discovered a new fan tape, I thought it was
about time that this list pulled together its collective might and tried to
track down these elusive fan tapes that apparently don't exist. I have
listed below all the concerts that as far as I know were never taped (and
attached a text only file because I'm sure the list will be cut off after
this introduction, WHY???!!!), so
could all of you that have attended TD concerts out there, have a look at
the list, if only one more recording is found this enormous post will have
been worth it :-)
Cheers
Paul
Date City & country Venue
1968
January ? Berlin, Germany Technische Hochschule (cafeteria) 1.TD- Aufritt
? Dusseldorf, Germany 'Creamcheese' Club
September 26 ? Germany Festival 'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus
deutschen Landen'
? Munich, Germany 'Blow up'
? Berlin, Germany 'Zodiac Club' & 'Litfass' & 'Sule' (different dates in
summer 1968)
? Kassel, Germany 'Documenta IV' (Eroffnungskonsert mit Member Bernhard
Hoke)
? Port Lligat, Spain Music z. Einweihung der 'Christus Statue' von Salvadore
Dali
? Berlin, Germany Happenings in 'Forum Theatre Berlin' mit Bernhard Hoke
? Frankfurt, Germany Theater am Turm (TAT)
1969
October 11 Essen, Germany Pop & Blues Festival
? Frankfurt, Germany Magic Cave Club (several dates)
1970
? Berlin, Germany Technische Universitat (Technical University)
? Frankfurt, Germany 'Experimenta' Messe
? Berlin, Germany (SFB - TV) - 'Konzert bei Hofe' (Haus 'ALT Bayern',
Potsdamer Stn. 24)
September 1 Berlin, Germany Haus der Jugend (Bocklerpark-19.30)
October 10 Kapfenberg, Austria 'Flipper-Concert' (auch in Austria-TV)
? Berlin, Germany Zodiac Club
? Berlin, Germany Quasimodo
1971
June 7 Berlin, Germany Auditorium der Kongresshalle (Congress Hall
Auditorium) (planned for Planetarium)
? Aachen, Germany University
1972
(German tour in
November was cancelled)
? Vienna, Austria Concert House
March 27 Berlin, Germany Schoneberg Planetarium (Kuppelhalle)
July 7 Berlin, Germany University (Audimax)
December 2 Berlin, Germany Akademie der Kunste (multi-media show)
? Brussels, Belgium 'Palais des Beaux Arts' Einladung Goethe-Institute
? Brussels, Belgium 'Deutsche Bibliothek' Einladung Goethe-Institute
1973
February 15 Paris, France Theatre de L' Ouest (with Ash Ra Tempel and Klaus
Schulze)
February 16 Paris, France Theatre de L' Ouest
July 3 Lyon, France ?
August 22 Paris, France (Froese, Franke, Schulze)
August 24 La Rochelle, France (in an inflated warm air tent)
August 25 Roanne, France 'L'Arc en Ciel' (The Rainbow)
August 27 Ratingen, Germany 'Blauer See'
? Mönchengladbach, Germany Gymnasium
1974
April 9 (29?) London, England (BBC-FM) 'Top Gear'
June 16 London, England Victoria Palace Theatre (the band's first U.K.
concert)
August 18 Chichester, England Festival Theatre
October ? Dusseldorf, Germany ?
1974 British tour:
October 26 London, England Rainbow Theatre
November 4 Manchester, England FreeTrade Hall
November 6 London, England North East Polytechnic
November 8 Brighton, England The Dome
November 9 Plymouth, England Guild Hall
November 10 Paignton, England Festival Hall
November 16 Cambridge, England Corn Exchange
November 17 Guildford, England Civic Hall
November 19 Edinburgh, Scotland Caley Cinema
November 22 Southampton, England Southampton University
November 23 Southend, England Kuursal Hall
November 29 Cardiff, Wales Cardiff University
November 30 Bristol, England Colston Hall
December 1 Leicester, England De Montfort Hall
December 4 Newcastle, England Newcastle City Hall
1975 Australian tour:
March 16 Sydney, Australia Horden Pavillion
March 18 Auckland, New Zealand Town Hall
March 20 Brisbane, Australia Queensland University City Hall
March 23 Canberra, Australia Lakeside Hotel
March 26 Perth, Australia Winthrop University Hall
March 27 Perth, Australia Winthrop University Hall
April 25 Munich, Germany Saint Benno-Kirche
September 14 Paris, France 'Fête de l'Humanité'
September 26 Munich, Germany Kongressaal Deutsches Museum
1975 British tour:
October 7 Norwich, England Saint Andreas Hall
October 9 Sheffield, England Sheffield City Hall
October 13 Oxford, England Oxford Polytechnic
October 26 Birmingham, England Town Hall
October 27 Sheffield, England Sheffield City Hall
October 29 Bradford, England Saint Georges Hall
December ? Munich, Germany Museum
December ? ? Austria Unidentified concert dates
December ? ? Switzerland Unidentified concert dates
1976
January 29 Barcelona, Spain Parbellon Departivo Club Juventus Barcelona
1976 EUROPEAN TOUR (Stratosfear)
October 22 Hamburg, Germany Musikhalle
October 22 Hamburg, Germany Musikhalle
October 25 Stuttgart, Germany Liederhalle
October 26 Frankfurt, Germany Jahrhunderthalle
October 28 Erlangen, Germany Stadhalle
October 30 Saarbrucken Germany Kongresshalle
November 5 Manchester, England Free Trade Centre
November 7 Coventry, England Coventry Theater
November 10 Cardiff, Wales Capital Hall
November 12 Birmingham, England Odeon Theatre
November 20 Colmar, France ?
November 23 Lyon, France ?
November 24 Poitiers, France Les Arènes de Poitiers
November 27 Madrid, Spain Deportiro Real Madrid
November 29 Valencia, Spain Sala Albion
December 1 Bordeaux, France ?
1977
? Berlin, Germany Berlin Philharmonic
1977 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR (Stratosfear)
April 1 Chicago, U.S.A. Aragon Ballroom
April 6 Philadelphia, U.S.A. Tower Theater
April 12 Chicoutimi, Canada Dufour Auditorium
April 15 Hamilton, Canada Hamilton Place
April 16 Ottawa, Canada Civic Center
April 20 Portland, U.S.A. Paramount Theater
April 25 San Francisco, U.S.A. Berkeley Community Theater
July 9 San Diego, U.S.A. Civic Theater
July 10 Tuscon, U.S.A. Community Theater
July 14 Boulder, U.S.A. Mackey Auditorium (University of Colerado)
August 1 Quebec City, Canada Convention Center
August 2 Montreal, Canada Place des Nations
August 4 Toronto, Canada Convocation Hall
August 5 Toronto, Canada Convocation Hall
August 6 Meadowbrook, U.S.A. Pine Knob
August 7 Milwaukee, U.S.A. Performing Arts Center
1978 EUROPEAN TOUR (Cyclone)
February 20 Offenbach, Germany Stadhalle
February 21 Mannheim, Germany Musen Saal
February 22 Munich, Germany Deutsches Museum
February 23 Erlangen, Germany Stadhalle
February 26 Nancy, France Foire des Expositions
February 27 Reims, France Opera
February 28 Rouen, France Parc des Expositions
March 3 Dijon, France Palais des Congrès
March 4 Lille, France Chapiteau Parking de la Foire International
March 8 Bordeaux, France Chapiteau Campus de Talence
March 9 Toulouse, France Parc des Expositions
March 10 Pau, France Parc des Expositions
March 11 Pamplona, Spain Pabellon Araitasuma
March 15 Marseille, France Chapiteau
March 19 Oxford, England New Theatre
March 20 London, England Hammersmith Odeon
March 21 Portsmouth, England Guild Hall
March 22 Birmingham, England Birmingham Odeon
March 27 Croydon, England Fairfield Hall
1980 EUROPEAN TOUR (Tangram)
October 11 Kiel, Germany Ball Pompos
October 12 Bremen, Germany Stadthalle
October 14 Munich, Germany Deutsches Museum
October 22 Barcelona, Spain ?
October 23 Madrid, Spain ?
October 25 Porto, Portugal ?
October 26 Lisbon, Portugal Pavilhao dos Belenenses
November 3 Glasgow, Scotland Apollo Theatre
November 4 Edinburgh, Scotland Odeon Theatre
November 11 Portsmouth, England Guild Hall
November 13 Ipswich, England Gaumont Theatre
1981 EUROPEAN TOUR
January 20 Essen, Germany Grugahalle
January 22 Mannheim, Germany Mozartsaal
January 23 Kassel, Germany Stadthalle
January 28 Erlangen, Germany Stadtalle
January 29 Wurzburg, Germany Kurnachtalhalle
February 10 Udine, Italy ?
February 11 Padua, Italy ?
February 12 Turin, Italy ?
1981 BRITISH OCTOBER TOUR (Exit)
October 19 Cork, Ireland James Connolly Hall
October 21 Birmingham, England Birmingham Odeon
October 23 Derby, England Assembly Rooms
1982 AUSTRALIAN TOUR (Exit or White Eagle?)
February 24 Adelaide, Australia Thebarton Town Hall
February 26 Perth, Australia Concert Hall
1982 EUROPEAN TOUR (White Eagle)
October 19 Budapest, Hungary Sports Hall (lst show - afternoon, cancelled)
October 22 Zagreb, Yugoslavia Sports Hall
October 23 Belgrade, Yugoslavia Pioneer Hall
October 24 Novisad, Yugoslavia Itala Sport
October 26 Stuttgart, Germany Liederhalle
November 14 Hamburg, Germany Congres Centrum Hamburg
November 19 Rostock, East Germany Sport-Kongresshalle
November 20 Rostock, East Germany Sport-Kongresshalle
November 21 Rostock, East Germany Sport-Kongresshalle
November 22 Suhl, East Germany ?
November 23 Erfurt, East Germany ?
November 24 Gera, East Germany Haus der Kultur, Grosser Saal
November 25 Karl Marx Stadt, East Germany ?
1983 JAPANESE TOUR (White Eagle?)
June 26 Nagoya, Japan ?
August 31 Athens, Greece Lycabettus Theatre
September ? Athens, Greece TV broadcast of concert and interview by Omiros
Karajas
November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle
December 9 Poznai, Poland Arena
December 11 Zabrze, Poland Hala Sportowa KWK'Makoszowy' (2 shows)
December 12 ¸Ódè, Poland Hala Sportowa
December 14 Opole Hala Sportowa
December 15 Wroc¸aw, Poland Hala Ludowa
December ? Wismar, East Germany ?
1986 EUROPEAN TOUR (Underwater Sunlight)
March 15 Ipswich, England Gaumont Theatre
March 25 Bristol, England Hippodrome
1986 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR (Underwater Sunlight)
June 4 Sante Fe, U.S.A. Palo Soleri Amphitheater
June 7 Phoenix, U.S.A. Mesa Amphitheater
June 16 Minneapolis, U.S.A. The Orpheum
1988 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR (Optical Race)
August 29 Pittsburg, U.S.A. Benedum Theater
September 13 Atlanta, U.S.A. Center Stage Theater
September 15 Miami, U.S.A. Cameo Theater (originally scheduled for the
Sunrise Musical Theatre in Fort Lauderdale, but this was damaged by
Hurricane Florence)
September 17 Houston, U.S.A. Jones Hall
1992
6 October Quebec City, Canada Grand Theatre
7 October New Britain, Connecticut, U.S.A. The Sting
11 October Pittsburgh, U.S.A. ?
18 October Minneapolis, U.S.A. ?
22 October Denver, U.S.A. ?
24 October Portland, U.S.A. ?
27 October San Francisco, U.S.A. ?
29 October Scottsdale, Arizona, U.S.A. Civic Center Amphitheater (outdoor
concert)
1994
6 March Desenzano Sul Garde, Garda Lake, Italy 'Sesto Senso' Club (TV
interview and video film only, not a concert)
1995
15 June Milan, Italy 'Tutti Frutti' open air disco (press interviews and
video film only, not a concert)
1997
9 April Vienna, Austria Museumquartier
10 April Filderstadt, Stuttgart, Germany Filharmonie
17 April Hannover, Germany Musikhalle
19 April Brussels, Belgium L'Anciènne Belgique
24 April Prague, Czech Republic Sky Club Brumlovka
1997 UK 'Tournado' tour
29 October Bristol, England Colston Hall
2 November Leeds, England Town and Country Club
3 November Birmingham, England Symphony Hall
2000
28 Oct Berlin, Germany 'Kalkscheune' (dance event and 'Ground Liftaz' label
launch with Jerome Froese appearing as a guest DJ. Not a concert, but
unreleased material was played at this event)
----------
Date City & country Venue
1968 January ? Berlin, Germany Technische
Hochschule (cafeteria) 1.TD- Aufritt
? Dusseldorf, Germany 'Creamcheese'
Club
September 26 ? Germany Festival 'Deutschland Erwacht - Popmusic aus
deutschen Landen'
? Munich, Germany 'Blow up'
? Berlin, Germany 'Zodiac Club' &
'Litfass' & 'Sule' (different dates in summer 1968)
? Kassel, Germany
'Documenta IV' (Eroffnungskonsert mit Member Bernhard Hoke)
? Port Lligat,
Spain Music z. Einweihung der 'Christus Statue' von Salvadore Dali
? Berlin,
Germany Happenings in 'Forum Theatre Berlin' mit Bernhard Hoke
? Frankfurt,
Germany Theater am Turm (TAT)
1969 October 11 Essen, Germany Pop & Blues
Festival
? Frankfurt, Germany Magic Cave Club (several dates)
1970 ?
Berlin, Germany Technische Universitat (Technical University)
? Frankfurt,
Germany 'Experimenta' Messe
? Berlin, Germany (SFB - TV) - 'Konzert bei Hofe'
(Haus 'ALT Bayern', Potsdamer Stn. 24)
September 1 Berlin, Germany Haus der
Jugend (Bocklerpark-19.30)
October 10 Kapfenberg, Austria 'Flipper-Concert'
(auch in Austria-TV)
? Berlin, Germany Zodiac Club
? Berlin, Germany Quasimodo
1971 June 7 Berlin, Germany Auditorium der Kongresshalle (Congress Hall
Auditorium) (planned for Planetarium)
? Aachen, Germany University
1972
(German tour in November was cancelled) ? Vienna, Austria Concert
House
March 27 Berlin, Germany Schoneberg Planetarium (Kuppelhalle)
July 7
Berlin, Germany University (Audimax)
December 2 Berlin, Germany Akademie der
Kunste (multi-media show)
? Brussels, Belgium 'Palais des Beaux Arts' Einladung
Goethe-Institute
? Brussels, Belgium 'Deutsche Bibliothek' Einladung
Goethe-Institute
1973 February 15 Paris, France Theatre de L' Ouest
(with Ash Ra Tempel and Klaus Schulze)
February 16 Paris, France Theatre de L'
Ouest
July 3 Lyon, France ?
August 22 Paris, France (Froese, Franke,
Schulze)
August 24 La Rochelle, France (in an inflated warm air tent)
August 25
Roanne, France 'L'Arc en Ciel' (The Rainbow)
August 27 Ratingen, Germany
'Blauer See'
? Mšnchengladbach, Germany Gymnasium
1974 April 9 (29?)
London, England (BBC-FM) 'Top Gear'
June 16 London, England Victoria Palace
Theatre (the band's first U.K. concert)
August 18 Chichester, England Festival
Theatre
October ? Dusseldorf, Germany ?
1974 British tour: October 26
London, England Rainbow Theatre
November 4 Manchester, England FreeTrade
Hall
November 6 London, England North East Polytechnic
November 8 Brighton,
England The Dome
November 9 Plymouth, England Guild Hall
November 10 Paignton,
England Festival Hall
November 16 Cambridge, England Corn Exchange
November 17
Guildford, England Civic Hall
November 19 Edinburgh, Scotland Caley
Cinema
November 22 Southampton, England Southampton University
November 23
Southend, England Kuursal Hall
November 29 Cardiff, Wales Cardiff
University
November 30 Bristol, England Colston Hall
December 1 Leicester,
England De Montfort Hall
December 4 Newcastle, England Newcastle City Hall
1975 Australian tour: March 16 Sydney, Australia Horden Pavillion
March
18 Auckland, New Zealand Town Hall
March 20 Brisbane, Australia Queensland
University City Hall
March 23 Canberra, Australia Lakeside Hotel
March 26
Perth, Australia Winthrop University Hall
March 27 Perth, Australia Winthrop
University Hall
April 25 Munich, Germany Saint Benno-Kirche
September 14
Paris, France 'Fte de l'HumanitŽ'
September 26 Munich, Germany Kongressaal
Deutsches Museum
1975 British tour: October 7 Norwich, England Saint
Andreas Hall
October 9 Sheffield, England Sheffield City Hall
October 13
Oxford, England Oxford Polytechnic
October 26 Birmingham, England Town
Hall
October 27 Sheffield, England Sheffield City Hall
October 29 Bradford,
England Saint Georges Hall
December ? Munich, Germany Museum
December ? ?
Austria Unidentified concert dates
December ? ? Switzerland Unidentified
concert dates
1976 January 29 Barcelona, Spain Parbellon Departivo Club
Juventus Barcelona
1976 EUROPEAN TOUR (Stratosfear) October 22 Hamburg,
Germany Musikhalle
October 22 Hamburg, Germany Musikhalle
October 25 Stuttgart,
Germany Liederhalle
October 26 Frankfurt, Germany Jahrhunderthalle
October 28
Erlangen, Germany Stadhalle
October 30 Saarbrucken Germany Kongresshalle
November 5 Manchester, England Free Trade Centre
November 7 Coventry, England
Coventry Theater
November 10 Cardiff, Wales Capital Hall
November 12
Birmingham, England Odeon Theatre
November 20 Colmar, France ?
November
23 Lyon, France ?
November 24 Poitiers, France Les Arnes de Poitiers
November
27 Madrid, Spain Deportiro Real Madrid
November 29 Valencia, Spain Sala
Albion
December 1 Bordeaux, France ?
1977 ? Berlin, Germany Berlin
Philharmonic
1977 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR (Stratosfear) April 1 Chicago,
U.S.A. Aragon Ballroom
April 6 Philadelphia, U.S.A. Tower Theater
April 12
Chicoutimi, Canada Dufour Auditorium
April 15 Hamilton, Canada Hamilton
Place
April 16 Ottawa, Canada Civic Center
April 20 Portland, U.S.A. Paramount
Theater
April 25 San Francisco, U.S.A. Berkeley Community Theater
July 9 San
Diego, U.S.A. Civic Theater
July 10 Tuscon, U.S.A. Community Theater
July 14
Boulder, U.S.A. Mackey Auditorium (University of Colerado)
August 1 Quebec
City, Canada Convention Center
August 2 Montreal, Canada Place des
Nations
August 4 Toronto, Canada Convocation Hall
August 5 Toronto, Canada
Convocation Hall
August 6 Meadowbrook, U.S.A. Pine Knob
August 7 Milwaukee,
U.S.A. Performing Arts Center
1978 EUROPEAN TOUR (Cyclone) February 20
Offenbach, Germany Stadhalle
February 21 Mannheim, Germany Musen Saal
February
22 Munich, Germany Deutsches Museum
February 23 Erlangen, Germany
Stadhalle
February 26 Nancy, France Foire des Expositions
February 27 Reims,
France Opera
February 28 Rouen, France Parc des Expositions
March 3 Dijon,
France Palais des Congrs
March 4 Lille, France Chapiteau Parking de la Foire
International
March 8 Bordeaux, France Chapiteau Campus de Talence
March 9
Toulouse, France Parc des Expositions
March 10 Pau, France Parc des
Expositions
March 11 Pamplona, Spain Pabellon Araitasuma
March 15 Marseille,
France Chapiteau
March 19 Oxford, England New Theatre
March 20 London, England
Hammersmith Odeon
March 21 Portsmouth, England Guild Hall
March 22 Birmingham,
England Birmingham Odeon
March 27 Croydon, England Fairfield Hall
1980
EUROPEAN TOUR (Tangram) October 11 Kiel, Germany Ball Pompos
October 12
Bremen, Germany Stadthalle
October 14 Munich, Germany Deutsches Museum
October
22 Barcelona, Spain ?
October 23 Madrid, Spain ?
October 25 Porto, Portugal
?
October 26 Lisbon, Portugal Pavilhao dos Belenenses
November 3 Glasgow,
Scotland Apollo Theatre
November 4 Edinburgh, Scotland Odeon Theatre
November
11 Portsmouth, England Guild Hall
November 13 Ipswich, England Gaumont Theatre
1981 EUROPEAN TOUR January 20 Essen, Germany Grugahalle
January 22
Mannheim, Germany Mozartsaal
January 23 Kassel, Germany Stadthalle
January 28
Erlangen, Germany Stadtalle
January 29 Wurzburg, Germany Kurnachtalhalle
February 10 Udine, Italy ?
February 11 Padua, Italy ?
February 12 Turin, Italy
?
1981 BRITISH OCTOBER TOUR (Exit) October 19 Cork, Ireland James
Connolly Hall
October 21 Birmingham, England Birmingham Odeon
October 23 Derby,
England Assembly Rooms
1982 AUSTRALIAN TOUR (Exit or White Eagle?)
February 24 Adelaide, Australia Thebarton Town Hall
February 26 Perth,
Australia Concert Hall
1982 EUROPEAN TOUR (White Eagle) October 19
Budapest, Hungary Sports Hall (lst show - afternoon, cancelled)
October 22
Zagreb, Yugoslavia Sports Hall
October 23 Belgrade, Yugoslavia Pioneer
Hall
October 24 Novisad, Yugoslavia Itala Sport
October 26 Stuttgart, Germany
Liederhalle
November 14 Hamburg, Germany Congres Centrum Hamburg
November 19
Rostock, East Germany Sport-Kongresshalle
November 20 Rostock, East Germany
Sport-Kongresshalle
November 21 Rostock, East Germany
Sport-Kongresshalle
November 22 Suhl, East Germany ?
November 23 Erfurt, East
Germany ?
November 24 Gera, East Germany Haus der Kultur, Grosser Saal
November
25 Karl Marx Stadt, East Germany ?
1983 JAPANESE TOUR (White Eagle?)
June 26 Nagoya, Japan ?
August 31 Athens, Greece Lycabettus
Theatre
September ? Athens, Greece TV broadcast of concert and interview by
Omiros Karajas
November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic
Stadthalle
December 9 Poznai, Poland Arena
December 11 Zabrze, Poland Hala
Sportowa KWK'Makoszowy' (2 shows)
December 12 üîd, Poland Hala
Sportowa
December 14 Opole Hala Sportowa
December 15 Wrocüaw, Poland Hala
Ludowa
December ? Wismar, East Germany ?
1986 EUROPEAN TOUR (Underwater
Sunlight) March 15 Ipswich, England Gaumont Theatre
March 25 Bristol, England
Hippodrome
1986 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR (Underwater Sunlight) June 4 Sante Fe,
U.S.A. Palo Soleri Amphitheater
June 7 Phoenix, U.S.A. Mesa Amphitheater
June
16 Minneapolis, U.S.A. The Orpheum
1988 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR (Optical Race)
August 29 Pittsburg, U.S.A. Benedum Theater
September 13 Atlanta, U.S.A.
Center Stage Theater
September 15 Miami, U.S.A. Cameo Theater (originally
scheduled for the Sunrise Musical Theatre in Fort Lauderdale, but this was
damaged by Hurricane Florence)
September 17 Houston, U.S.A. Jones Hall
1992
6 October Quebec City, Canada Grand Theatre
7 October New Britain,
Connecticut, U.S.A. The Sting
11 October Pittsburgh, U.S.A. ?
18 October
Minneapolis, U.S.A. ?
22 October Denver, U.S.A. ?
24 October Portland, U.S.A.
?
27 October San Francisco, U.S.A. ?
29 October Scottsdale, Arizona, U.S.A.
Civic Center Amphitheater (outdoor concert)
1994 6 March Desenzano Sul
Garde, Garda Lake, Italy 'Sesto Senso' Club (TV interview and video film only,
not a concert)
1995 15 June Milan, Italy 'Tutti Frutti' open air disco
(press interviews and video film only, not a concert)
1997 9 April
Vienna, Austria Museumquartier
10 April Filderstadt, Stuttgart, Germany
Filharmonie
17 April Hannover, Germany Musikhalle
19 April Brussels, Belgium
L'Ancinne Belgique
24 April Prague, Czech Republic Sky Club Brumlovka
Ê Ê
1997 UK 'Tournado' tour 29 October Bristol, England Colston Hall
2 November
Leeds, England Town and Country Club
3 November Birmingham, England Symphony
Hall
2000 28 Oct Berlin, Germany 'Kalkscheune' (dance event and 'Ground
Liftaz' label launch with Jerome Froese appearing as a guest DJ. Not a concert,
but unreleased material was played at this event)
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 9:27
am
Subject: [tree] Update
My sincere thanks to Joe for setting up the tree structure :-)
As much as I would like to start sending out the first batch of CDRs to
the branches, I'm afraid you have to be a bit more patient. The reason
for this delay is that I am still waiting for three cdr's to arrive, and
I have the fear that at the moment some ugly German or Polish custom
officer is playing the Nottingham 76 show in his office ;-( But as
soon as I receive the last three discs I'll start my burners asap :-)
Regards
Heiko
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 10:04
am
Subject: Tatort - source for (good?) info
Lookie what I found:
http://www.br-online.de/unterhaltung/tatort/
It includes the dates of broadcast from 29 Nov 1970 to the present. There are
some obvious date errors.
Anyone with confirmations/more info., please contact me off list.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 10:23
am
Subject: Re: Tatort - source for (good?) info
--- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> Lookie what I found:
>
> http://www.br-online.de/unterhaltung/tatort/
>
> It includes the dates of broadcast from 29 Nov 1970 to the present.
Actually, this is not such a good page as it only lists the shows
produced by BR, one of the 9 regional TV stations. However, for the
entire series, all 9 regional TV stations cooperate and take turns in
producing the show, once in a while there is even a Swiss and an
Austrian epsiode produced by the TV stations in those countries.
A better link is therefore http://www.das-erste.de/tatort/ as it
lists all shows from all stations.
Maybe hard to imagine for US viewers, but this show actually has some
14 different identies, i.e. 14 different investigation teams and thus
'heros' that take turns every week. Over time, you get to know all of
them, but week by week there is quite a change in style.
At any rate, the page above finally solves the mystery of the
Tangerine-Dream scored show 'Miriam'. It was in fact, as I stated
earlier, broadcast on Sunday, 03. April 1983 and not on Saturday 02.
April 1983!
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 10:57
am
Subject: [tree] CDR brands
More results, Craig:
Mitusi MTCDR-74
ATIP: 97m 32s 00f
Disc Manufacturer: TDK Corp. <<==Yes, TDK!
Recording layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
nominal Capacity: 652.29MB (74m 15s 00f / LBA: 333975)
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
TDK CD-R74
ATIP: 97m 32s 00f
Disc Manufacturer: TDK Corp.
Recording layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
nominal Capacity: 652.29MB (74m 15s 00f / LBA: 333975)
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
(Look familiar? -- yes, they are apparently identical!)
Verbatim Data Life Plus
ATIP: 97m 32s 20f
Disc Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemicals Corp.
Recording layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
nominal Capacity: 506.17MB (57m 37s 36f / LBA: 259161)
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
(506 MB? 57 minutes? I think not!)
Memorex Professional
ATIP: 97m 32s 18f
Disc Manufacturer: Prodisc Technology Inc.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 547.68MB (62m 20s 61f / LBA: 280411)
(547 MB? 62 minutes? I think not!)
Not a 'RITEK' or 'Taiyo-Yuden' in sight. Conclusions? Damned if I know.
BTW, counter to what I've read in the list recently, I have a friend who has
Imation CDRs that are marked 'Made in Taiwan'.
Conclusions? Still damned if I know, but given the low capacities and times
indicated, I don't think CDR Identifier is working properly. -- Mark
'C. Chambers' wrote:
>
> Mark,
> I think you got the right program...just the disk you looked at desn't tell
> you much. Look at a Memorex, Imation, etc. or a generic and you will
> probably see RITEK as the Manufacturer. Mitsui will say Mitsui, HP or Fuji
> will say Taiyo-Yuden, etc.
>
> But yeah, if it caused all those problems, it probably wasn't worth it...
>
> Craig
>
> > 2 - I ran the program, CDRIdentifier.exe, and it indentifies the
> > following:
> >
> > ATIP: (whatever this is)
> > Disc Manufacturer: (not the country)
> > Recording layer:
> > Media type:
> > nominal Capacity:
> > Recording Speeds:
> >
> > For example, for some CDRs that Heiko sent me...
> >
> > ATIP: 97m 28x 26f
> > Disc Manufacturer: Multi Media Masters_Machinery SA
> > Recording layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
> > Media type: CD-Recordable
> > nominal Capacity: 578.29MB (65m 49s 60f / LBA: 296085)
> > Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
> >
> > I don't know what to make of this, but it doesn't look like
> > anything that can answer the question: Taiwan, US, Japan, or Ireland?
> >
> > Did I get the wrong program? Did I do something wrong?
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:07
am
Subject: RE: TD-tree artwork
> From: olle.rundgren@s...
> Subject: TD-tree artwork
>
> Just one objection/suggestion or whatever You prefer to call it: Why not use
> the same font on all covers? Using the same type of text will tie it all
> together better.
Hi,
this should be obligatory: The same type font and certain parallels in the
whole
artwork design make the whole set recognizable. Look at TD's (or other
artitsts') official box sets and you will see that they all use certain kinds
of
general characteristics and features. Companies use the term of 'corporate
identity' for ith, so why not a 'corporate identity' for the 'Tangerine Tree'?
Peter
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts for which fan tapes don't exist
Paul Fellows wrote:
-snip-
> 1971
>
> ? Aachen, Germany University
I don't know the date, and I don't know whether a fantape exists, but I think
that after some sleuthing I know the venue:
Rhine-Westphalia Technical University
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] CDR brands / what's good for trading ?
braddito wrote:
>
> I saw that they had HP discs in stock but most packages don't give
> the country of manufacture, are they pretty certain to be made by
> Taiyo-Yuden (hence acceptable for trading ?)
I'm very happy with HP CDRs. I use them all the time both for audio and
data, and didn't get a single coaster so far.
Antonio
np: TD - Newcastle City Hall 25-10-1981
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
Yannick EDOM wrote:
>
> The normal stereo track will be soon available online through Olyam website.
> So you will be abble to get it entirely.
>
> The DTS track is an experiment.
I'd rather have the normal stereo track on the CDR and the DTS track on
a website for download. Why don't we organize a branch of this tree for
people who prefer the normal track on the CDR? If so, I can support up
to 5 branches.
Antonio
From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:34
am
Subject: ASHRA CD`s
Hi,
ASHRA CD`s on ebay:
SUENO LATINO Maxi CD with Manuel Goettsching
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1508992930&r=0&t=0&showTut\
orial=0&ed=1013089457&indexURL=0&rd=1
ASHRA - @shra Vol. 2 Live Japan (NEW)
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orial=0&ed=1013630439&indexURL=0&rd=1
ASHRA - The Making of... (3CD Box NEW)
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orial=0&ed=1013630439&indexURL=0&rd=1
Regards
heiko
ebay ID: heineu
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
D2 Vodafone CallYa -
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:38
am
Subject: RE: [tree] CDR brands
>Mark,
>I think you got the right program...just the disk you looked at desn't tell
>you much. Look at a Memorex, Imation, etc. or a generic and you will
>probably see RITEK as the Manufacturer. Mitsui will say Mitsui, HP or Fuji
>will say Taiyo-Yuden, etc.
>
>But yeah, if it caused all those problems, it probably wasn't worth it...
>
>Craig
The CDR Identifier doesn't tell you much and sometimes not even the truth.
The following is quoted from CD-Recordable FAQ (http://www.cdrfaq.org);
It's tempting to believe that CD-R media identifier applications will give
you the answer you need. Unfortunately, the data you get is unreliable at
best. Charles Palmer, from cd-recordable.com, had this to say about the
manufacturer identification:
'Two components that many users of these programs always take as gospel are
Media Manufacturer and Dye Data. These two readings are next to worthless.
The reason for this is that many CD-R manufacturers (like CD-
Recordable.com) purchase their stampers (the nickel die that all CD-R
substrates are molded from) from 3rd party sources. These 3rd party sources
(either other disc manufacturers, or mastering houses) encode the data that
these 'Identification' programs read, at the time that the original glass
master is encoded. The 'Manufacturer' information that is encoded is
usually the name of the company that made the master. Since stampers made
from that master will be sold to disc manufacturers the world over, all of
discs that those manufacturers produce from those stampers will contain the
same 'Manufacturer' information. Information which is obviously quite
erroneous and irrelevant. Very seldom will the 'manufacturer' information
encoded on a CD-R actually tell you anything other than who made the
original master. [...]
The second piece of data (the dye type) is also dubious. Because most
master/stamper configurations are designed to be matched to specific dye
types (Phthalocyanine, Cyanine, Azo, Etc), the 'Dye' information that is
encoded when the master is produced indicates the type of dye that the
master was designed for. This of course, does not assure that the
manufacturer that buys and uses this stamper will be using it with the dye
that it has been designed for. It is quite possible that a stamper/dye
combination is used by a CD-R manufacturer that contradicts the 'dye'
information encoded on the master. Therefore that information becomes as
potentially misleading as the 'Manufacturer' data discussed earlier.'
The only reliable piece of information in the 'ATIP' region is the disc length.
Rolf
From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] CDR brands /Kodak
>My local PC World (UK) has stopped stocking Kodak Gold/Silver at
>present...
>
>
>
>Regards
>Toby
Not just 'at present', Eastman Kodak has stopped manufacturing their
CDR and CDRW brands for good... :(
Rolf
From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:48
am
Subject: Concerts for which fan tapes don't exist
The Chichester Festival - didn't they just perform 'Oedipus
Tyrannus' ?
I believe I have the Derby show from 1981, I'll check tonight.
Toby
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] CDR brands
From: 'Mark Filipak'
>
> Conclusions? Still damned if I know, but given the low capacities
> and times indicated, I don't think CDR Identifier is working properly. --
Mark
This passage from the CDR Faq may shed some light.
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-33
Maff
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: TD-tree artwork
From:
> this should be obligatory: The same type font and certain parallels
> in the whole artwork design make the whole set recognizable.
> Look at TD's (or other artitsts') official box sets and you will see
> that they all use certain kinds of > general characteristics and features.
Dont worry, we are. The same fonts are being used for the spine, track
listings (the andes font for that one, which TD use themselves) and front.
The style we've come up with makes everything look consistent and allows
each cover designer some room to personalise their work.
Maff
From:
'airsculpture'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 12:03
pm
Subject: Re: Concerts for which fan tapes don't exist
--- In tadream@y..., 'braddito' wrote:
> The Chichester Festival - didn't they just perform 'Oedipus
> Tyrannus' ?
Does anyone know for certain whether they performed here at all?
It's always presented as a concert in boot lists etc., but it's more
usual to have the music played from tape under these circumstances.
I had a quick scour of the web and while there are quite a few
references to the play, none mention live music.
My guess is that the music was provided on tape, and either that tape
leaked or the masters for the album that never happened did -
probably the former. Anyone know for sure?
jc
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 12:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales reminder (DTS question)
Hi
> > The normal stereo track will be soon available online through Olyam
website.
> > So you will be abble to get it entirely.
> >
> > The DTS track is an experiment.
>
>
> I'd rather have the normal stereo track on the CDR and the DTS track on
> a website for download. Why don't we organize a branch of this tree for
> people who prefer the normal track on the CDR? If so, I can support up
> to 5 branches.
That's an idea to be discussed.
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 2:03
pm
Subject: Re: TD-tree artwork
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>..Did
>you mean using the same font all over the place? I'm not sure that would
>work... maybe it's just a matter of taste.
It certainly is. Call me Branding-freak if you like, but I think it would
look better with one font and font style throughout the series.
Why wouldn't it work, if I may ask?
/Olle
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 9:52
pm
Subject: Re: TD-tree artwork
I just think it's more interesting to use different fonts for different
things. Anyway, in the design we used similar fonts: Arial black, tahoma,
arial, arial narrow. They're only in different shapes and sizes. In the
verse of the front cover, for example, the liner notes and tree index are
all tahoma. The only really different font is Andes, for the tracklist. For
me it would be boring if we had the same arial, same shape, for everything.
Or even worse, the same times new roman. aaaargh! :)
> Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>>..Did
>>you mean using the same font all over the place? I'm not sure that would
>>work... maybe it's just a matter of taste.
>
> It certainly is. Call me Branding-freak if you like, but I think it would
> look better with one font and font style throughout the series.
> Why wouldn't it work, if I may ask?
From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: using TD track names
>Wow, that's quite a lot of names. Where do you get
enough things to be
>named? Do you give TD names also to your pets, pocket
knife, shoes or what?
>-Oh well. I've been also using TD track names in
places where no-one is
>going to ever find them, for instance there're now
certain custom levels
>that're called 'Green Desert' or 'Cloudburst Flight'
etc., in a certain
>game. What kind of funny places do you use?
>
No, no, no. I used most of this titles in PBEM-games.
That's a kind of fantasy games played by e-mail and
you need to name your factions (that's a kind of your
own empire) and units. So I often give them TD names.
It's the third thing I spend plenty of time on after
preparation for the university exams and listening to
the music.
>I wonder what unused good tracknames there are left
at all? Any infernally
>long (Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of
Nightmares, Origin of
>Supernatural Probabilities) or phrase-like (Too Hot
For My Chinchilla,
>Invisible Limits) ones don't suit.
>
Art of destruction, Zeit, Atem, Ricochet, Stratosfear,
Convention of 24, Tyger, Dolls in the Shadow, Desert
Train, 220 Volts, Homeless, Sundance Kid, Hamlet,
Firetongues, Midwinter Night, Silver Screen, Comet's
Figure Head, Pilots of Ether Belt, Astrophobia, The
Spirit Of The Czar, ... and many-many others. Also in
soundtracks.
>I don't either want to be known as
>'Betrayal' or something so I guess I'll have to
choose between Hyperborea
>and Fauni-Gena...
How about Dr.Destructo?:)
AoV
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Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 4:06
pm
Subject: Re: People
>I agree, this sort of music requires concentration.
Or either a good
>knowledge of how the piece goes so your mind can
'fill in the gaps'.
>I quite
>often do listen TD in school, well, except after my
headphones broke
>:*(
>
>But you're yet another student? How come I didn't
already know
>this?
>
I don't know, better ask yourself:) I think I've
mentioned it in my first messages on this list. This
were the gloomy november days of 2001...
AoV
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 4:55
pm
Subject: Re: Concerts for which fan tapes don't exist
Virgin released one of the three tracks in Stereo on a sampler
called 'V'. This suggests that they had the tapes and a decision was
made not to release. I think one of the subsequent UK tour programmes
refers to the music not being used too well by the Chichester
production, 'unsympathetically' possibly being the word used -
suggesting you are right about the use of tapes rather than any live
performance.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'airsculpture' wrote:
> --- In tadream@y..., 'braddito' wrote:
>
> > The Chichester Festival - didn't they just perform 'Oedipus
> > Tyrannus' ?
>
> Does anyone know for certain whether they performed here at all?
>
> It's always presented as a concert in boot lists etc., but it's
more
> usual to have the music played from tape under these
circumstances.
> I had a quick scour of the web and while there are quite a few
> references to the play, none mention live music.
>
> My guess is that the music was provided on tape, and either that
tape
> leaked or the masters for the album that never happened did -
> probably the former. Anyone know for sure?
>
> jc
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 5:46
pm
Subject: Concerts for which fan tapes don't exist
Paul,
hard as it may be to believe - there is (still) a world outside
the internet. I approximate 80% of TDs 'collecting' fans to be
only there, and maybe even more of the guys who taped each and
every show in their city in the 70s and 80s.
So some of these tapes, I'm sure, do exist, but this list
is the wrong place to look for them. Like looking for your lost
keys under a street light, instead of where you lost them ;-)
> October 19 Budapest, Hungary Sports Hall (lst show - afternoon, cancelled)
Do you actually expect to find a tape of a cancelled show ;-)
Now, that would be easy enough to fake ;-)
The evening show is on my list
> October 26 Stuttgart, Germany Liederhalle
This is an example for what I said above. A guy sitting
behind me taped the show, I just never managed to track him
down.
> 10 April Filderstadt, Stuttgart, Germany Filharmonie
on my list (incomplete, but so are many, many of the known
concert tapes)
> 28 Oct Berlin, Germany 'Kalkscheune' (dance event and 'Ground Liftaz' label
> launch with Jerome Froese appearing as a guest DJ. Not a concert, but
> unreleased material was played at this event)
I don't have it, but it was circulating among fans, I (and many
others) know who taped it.
cheers,
klaus
From:
René Brenner
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 3:49
pm
Subject: New to tadream
Hi everyone
I'm new to this mailing list. I would like to know what is the TD tree
project all about... couldn't figure this out yet ;)
... and by the way I own a 45 CD Tangerine Dream collection which is still
growing ...
regards
René
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 9:07
pm
Subject: Coming out of hiding for a minute...
I haven't posted here in a couple of months...primarily because I just read
messages through the yahoo website now rather than
have them e-mailed to me. But I thought I'd come out of hiding to thank
whoever made the 'Inferno' mp3 available on
Audiogalaxy. Based on the first 20 minutes that I've heard so far, I think
this really is the most interesting thing that the
band has done since the first Dream Mixes, and possibly since Underwater
Sunlight. This is the first time in 30 years that
they've found a way to make vocals work with their music. In fact, the vocals
are what really make it work...without them,
it'd be pretty bland. In parts, Inferno sounds a bit like 80s goth favourites
This Mortal Coil (Martin K, you must be really
happy! ). It has a real atmosphere and personality, something that their
albums have been lacking for years. I'm looking
forward to the official release...which might not be until May or June?
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:42
pm
Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree participation procedures
For those wondering what to do next:
1) exchange mailing addresses with your branchline.
this means all trading partners- your supplier
and your leaves if you have any
to find your branchline, you need to search in the participants table or the
yahoogroups database:
Table:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treestructure/alphaname.htm
- hit CTRL-F to look for all instances of your
own name to see with whom you're trading
Yahoogroups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/
- click 'Tangerine Tree Participants' Table'
- use the search feature to look up your name
and it will show you and all your branchline
2) establish trading terms. these are between
you. some info is on the tree info page: http://www.tadream.net/tree/
3) due to unexpected circumstances, there may be some
changes in the actual concerts included. we
will update you asap.
4) we will compile the new artwork onthe tree page
any problems you can e-mail me off-list.
Thanks,
Joe
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 12:56
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tatort - source for (good?) info
Wow! How long has this show been in production?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:04 AM
To: Tadream List
Subject: [tadream] Tatort - source for (good?) info
Lookie what I found:
http://www.br-online.de/unterhaltung/tatort/
It includes the dates of broadcast from 29 Nov 1970 to the present. There
are some obvious date errors.
Anyone with confirmations/more info., please contact me off list.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 1:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
Much like the name Strawberry Alarmclock, a popular group around the 60's as
well, the creativity of the names at that time conjured up feelings; in
other words, it was more than just a listening experience and definitely not
meant for the background.
Strawberry Alarmclock: a bright awakening, so much promise for the day, a
new way to feel about life
Tangerine Dream: a bright vision, so much hope for tomorrow, a new way to
cope with the future
All IMO of course. 8-) Dell
>From: Gustavo Jobim
>
>I don't really care about the origin of the name 'tangerine dream'. I just
>think it's an incredibly creative name. It manages to be quite absurd
>without exaggerating.
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Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 1:53
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Coming out of hiding for a minute...
>It has a real atmosphere and personality, something that their albums have
been lacking for years.
That is EXACTLY my complaint! Lack of personality! Although I find Mars
Polaris, for instance, nice, it does lack personality for me. I mean, it's not
something you remember, something you can recognize, I don't know; if I go
further trying to explain this'll become just ramblings.
But exactly, lack of personality is the big problem, and I too liked Inferno
very much. Actually I just started playing it after being reminded by your
email :) Looking forward to the Tree edition... I believe it has better
quality, or not?
>I'm looking forward to the official release...which might not be until May or
June? SEAN MONTGOMERY
I'm eagerly waiting for the official release, actually...
-GJ np Bernau 2001
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 1:54
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Origins of 'Tangerine Dream'
From: Adele Outland [mailto:outlanda60@h...]
>Strawberry Alarmclock: a bright awakening, so much promise for the day, a
new way to feel about life
Aha! My first exposure to this group was from Russ Meyer's 'Beyond
the Valley of the Dolls' (they were performing at Z-man's first party).
I later found out that a man I worked with was a founding member of this
group! Alas, I've not heard from him or his whereabouts in years (one of my
few 'Brushes with Greatness').
- jim
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 2:14
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Coming out of hiding for a minute...
From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
>That is EXACTLY my complaint! Lack of personality! Although I find Mars
Polaris, for instance, nice, it does lack personality for me. I mean, it's
not something you remember, something you can recognize, I don't know; if I
go further trying to explain this'll become just ramblings.
Hmmm... my favorite spin-time of this album is during night-drives with the
top down. It certainly picks up personality during these moments. I've
even had 'passengers', who normally aren't too fond of electronica, comment
on how well the music fit the mood.
I guess we'll have to resort to 'ramblin'' on this one...
- jim
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Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 3:04
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Subject: RE: [tadream] Coming out of hiding for a minute...
>Hmmm... my favorite spin-time of this album is during night-drives with the
>top down. It certainly picks up personality during these moments. I've
>even had 'passengers', who normally aren't too fond of electronica, comment
>on how well the music fit the mood.
there's one particular moment in comet's figure head that i like, when there's
that bass tune repeated a few times... but i'm not sure i can remember anything
else like this. similar thing happens in tyranny of beauty...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 5:25
am
Subject: [tree] artwork
I disagree that the artwork or fonts have to be the same or similar.
This isn't like the Digital Tape Tree where it's just copies of decent
tapes/bootlegs that are already widely available.
This is, in many cases, material we've never heard at this quality and
shows that have not been widely available. There are new productions here
and I think it would be a shame that all 3 artists must wear a
straightjacket that all the discs must be genericized and based off the
same basic layout.
The fact that we're getting 10 discs at a time is coincidental. This could
just as easily be these concerts being released one at a time.
I hope that nobody has slammed the door on having/allowing BOTH unique
artwork-per-concert AND a homogenous design amongst the whole tree.
-Morgan
P.S. Just a reminder. PLEASE put 'This replaces: xx, yy, and zz' on the
artwork for each of these discs. For instance, 75 Royal Albert Hall
replaces Coefficient of Aural Expansion, Phaedream, etc.
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 7:21
am
Subject: [tree] Ready!
I received the last three discs yesterday (forget what I said about
custom officers being TD fans, they are great & fast etc. ;-)
I will send out all the sets to my branches today and tomorrow. Due to
unforseen circumstances we had to replace Volumes 4 & 5 (Warsaw
31.08.2001) with two other recordings, so the tracklist now looks like
this:
Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08. November 1976 (2nd gen. audience,
remastered by '3N', time: 79.43 min.) *this one simply knocked me out
:-) *
Volume 2: Sheffield City Hall 29 October 1974 (audience recording,
remastered by 'Jabberwock', time: 43.53 min.)
Volume 3: Bernau St.-Marien-Kirche 07 October 2001 (Minidisc master
audience recording by 'Danish Dynamite', time: 78.43 min.)
Volume 4: Washington Lisner Auditorium 04 April 1977 (from two 2nd gen.
FM recordings, remastered by 'Jabberwock', time: 109.49 min., 2 CDRs)
Volume 5: Frankfurt Alte Oper 'Fassbinder memorial concert' 11 June 1983
(audience recording, remastered by 'Tentbuckum', time: 35.16 min.)
Volume 6: Bilbao Pabellón de la Casilla 31 January 1976 (remastered 1st
gen. audience recording, time: 114.23 min., 2 CDRs)
Volume 7: Croydon Fairfield Hall 23 October 1975 (1st gen. audience
recording, remastered by '3N', time: 61.41 min.) **I could write a book
about the problems of remastering this concert, this version beats all
others I have heard so far, but might get replaced with an even better
sounding one, maybe as a replacement disc in the 2nd batch**
Volume 8: Berlin Philharmonie 27 June 1976 (FM broadcast recording,
remastered by '3N'..special thanks to Al 'The TD's pal', time: 31.31
min.)
So there you have it. This is the right time to thank all of you who are
in some way or another involved in this project, the last two weeks were
extremly busy but also very exciting. Once you have received the CDRs I
would be interested to hear your opinions :-)
Regards
Heiko
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] artwork
> P.S. Just a reminder. PLEASE put 'This replaces: xx, yy, and zz' on the
> artwork for each of these discs. For instance, 75 Royal Albert Hall
> replaces Coefficient of Aural Expansion, Phaedream, etc.
this is a VERY good idea... i second it...
jerome
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 8:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] artwork
> > P.S. Just a reminder. PLEASE put 'This replaces: xx, yy, and zz' on the
> > artwork for each of these discs. For instance, 75 Royal Albert Hall
> > replaces Coefficient of Aural Expansion, Phaedream, etc.
>
> this is a VERY good idea... i second it...
well, for the Nottingham 1976 show I think it's safe to say that it replaces
the 'Me-rad' CD (and the encore which is on 'Collected endings')..and the
Fassbinder 1983 recording is better & more complete than the 'Fassbinder
memorial concert' bootleg LP.
Heiko
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 11:46
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree participation procedures
FYI: the CD listing has been updated on the tree info page
-----Original Message-----
3) due to unexpected circumstances, there may be some
changes in the actual concerts included. we
will update you asap.
From:
'maggior'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 4:10
pm
Subject: [tree] Number of discs for SHN
Do we know yet how many CDrs are required for the SHN branches? SHN
doesn't cut the files precisely in half, so you can't really
calculate it.
We'll need to know this before the SHN branches can start sending
their blanks to their supplier.
Thanks,
Rich Maggio
From:
'djambient'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 4:56
pm
Subject: Re: Mood-affecting albums
I've been listening to electronic music of all types for decades now
and TD has always been a mainstay for me. Over the years I came to
the realization that I don't just listen to music for just
entertainment - I find that what I chose to play often reflects what
mood I want to get in and also to fit a particular style or type of
music to compliment an activity.
This has roots going back to live in the college dormitories where it
was very distracting to try and read with all the noise of dorm life.
I would play lots of TD, Clearlight, Jarre, Vangelis, Cluster, etc.
to provide a filtering effect.
This evolved over time to listening to music nearly 24 hours a day. I
even listen to Eno type ambient stuff when reading and sleeping. (any
Eno fans please email me offline, I just received a very interesting
set of CDs).
As for TD I find Zeit to be excellent to read or sleep to. In fact
I've had it on autoplay all night the last two evenings. It
effectively masks traffic noise and I have to say it's a cool
experience waking up out of a dream and being enveloped in the sounds
from Zeit.
I find that the soundtrack to Thief to be one of my favorite TD discs
since I find it inspires me to want to play my synths and especially
to play guitar along with it.
I also find that Underwater Sunlight and Le Parc get heavy play since
they have a nice energetic feel and are great to work to. This may be
tinged with some nostalgia since I saw TD in Boston at the time these
discs came out - one of the best sound systems I've ever heard.
The great thing about TD is that, in their vast catalogue, they have
composed music that can suit just about any occasion or need and I
always slip some on when I have visitors.
I thought it odd when I heard the remark about playing Zeit while
vacuuming. I'd never do that, that's what the Sex Pistols are for!
(not a knock on the SP, everything has its place imho.)
DanD aka: djambient@y...
--- In tadream@y..., Art Of Vision wrote:
> What albums have strong influence on your mood? That's
> very important part of TD music, at least for me.
>
> Sorcerer, Rubicon - this are the most mood-affecting.
> They often help when I'm tired or just feel bad
>
> White Eagle, Hyperborea, Melrose - I usually play them
> while doing something long, boring and monotonous.
> Such sort of thing occurs almost every day with me
> last month:((
>
> Tangram: this has strange effect - after listening to
> it I'm usually silent and gloomy. I play it very rare.
>
> AoV
>
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'richter_arne'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: Using TD track names
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> and Fauni-Gena... (BTW, I think that the latter's a park in Berlin,
near the
> original Zodiak club where Eddie started his career; am I right?)
Huh? Well, I live in Berlin and there is no such park that I know of.
The famous Zodiak club was located near the 'Hallesches Ufer' in
Kreuzberg, also no park of that name there. In fact, the name is very
weird. According to the dictionary, the only possible explanation for
'Fauni' is the plural of Faun, i.e. a mystic or ancient god that is
half man half goat similar to the greek Satyr. Don't know what that
has to do with the bird noises on the track. 'Gena' on the other hand
seems to be a part of the beek of a bird, so there you have it!
But then again, maybe it was just the name of a good type of weed
back in 1973, wouldn't be the first time they were inspired by the
name of such a substance...
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 6:22
pm
Subject: [tree] SHN discs?
dunno how many discs will be need for the SHN branch, but from the track
times I'd say probably 5 discs if the volumes group together this way
(ymmv--it's my pure speculation at this point):
Volumes:
1+2
4
3+5
6
7
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: re [tree] SHN discs?
er that would be volumes 7 + 8, not just 7 :)
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 8:22
pm
Subject: missing concert - found
Hey Paul
Remember absence of evidence and all that.
I recorded and have a master copy of Bristol Colston Hall 29 10 97. If
people want to consider it for Tree 2, I will gladly donate. Sorry can't do
individual trades right now due to work commitments.
This has been a good excuse to play the concert again. Now listening to the
encores - White eagle remixes.
David
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From:
'billfox'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 10:36
pm
Subject: Attention Joe Soults
Sorry for posting this private message in public.
Hi Joe! I'm at 440-247-8786 (You're home phone is busy.)
Bill
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 11:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] SHN discs?
Hi,
--- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote:
> dunno how many discs will be need for the SHN branch, but from the
track
> times I'd say probably 5 discs if the volumes group together this
way
> (ymmv--it's my pure speculation at this point):
>
> Volumes:
> 1+2
> 4
> 3+5
> 6
> 7
it seems that I will become the seed of the SHN tree, because Heiko
did get SHN versions only from some of the volumes, and he has only
an audio cd burner and no equipment to create SHN cds. Thus, most
probably I'll get the 1st or 2nd redbook cds from him, create the SHN
versions and send them to the sub-branches originally planned to be
supplied by Heiko. This all is not confirmed by now; I'll check this
with Heiko tomorrow.
Thus, by now I cannot tell you how many CDs we need, but I suppose
Tei Waz is quite right: it will most probably be five discs. I'll
inform you as soon as I've got the masters from Heiko and created the
SHN files.
Regards,
Michael
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 11:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] SHN discs?
Aaargh, Michael, first read then send:
I meant:
Thus, most probably I'll get the 1st or 2nd _generation_ redbook cds
from him...
Michael
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 1:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mood-affecting albums
Dan:
<< I thought it odd when I heard the remark about
playing Zeit while
vacuuming. I'd never do that, that's what the Sex
Pistols are for! >>
Maybe you should see my house before you decide if
Zeit is a good album for vaccuuming ;o}
I listen to e-music primarily while working. I am a
Medical Records Coder, which means I spend my working
day analyzing medical records for diagnoses, and
sometimes it's pretty grim work. I have to stay 'on
target' and be very focused. I think I would have lost
my mind some time ago if not for the music I can
listen to while I work. It's like the music gets
shuffled to a part of my brain where I can enjoy it
while another part of my brain continues to work. I
only play it at home when I am alone because my son
and husband ask me to turn it down, or want to listen
to something else. So, to keep the peace, I listen to
it primarily at work.
I used to listen to it while I commute, and some TD
like 'The Keep' soundtrack can be downright scary when
driving in the pouring rain, sandwiched between two
trucks. I can't listen to 'Phaedra', either, without
thinking about my first TD experience rocketing down
the steepest section of interstate in the US in the
fog. 'Poland' is almost difficult to listen to...it
hits a spot in me that resonates as only a few other
pieces of music do. At their best, TD has the power to
move me as much as any other music I've ever
experienced, and that says a lot coming from a long
time collector and listener like myself.
Anyway...an interesting line of conversation!
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 7:41
am
Subject: [tree] SHN discs
> it seems that I will become the seed of the SHN tree, because Heiko
> did get SHN versions only from some of the volumes, and he has only
> an audio cd burner and no equipment to create SHN cds. Thus, most
> probably I'll get the 1st or 2nd redbook cds from him, create the SHN
> versions and send them to the sub-branches originally planned to be
> supplied by Heiko. This all is not confirmed by now; I'll check this
> with Heiko tomorrow.
A big hello to all tree participants who will receive the music in SHN
format.
Michael Berling will be responsible for sending out the SHN cds to those
branch people which belong to the 1st tree level, most likely this will
happen early next week.
In a couple of hours I will ship the remaining four parcels to my redbook
branches.
Heiko
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 7:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
> > and Fauni-Gena... (BTW, I think that the latter's a park in Berlin,
>near the
> > original Zodiak club where Eddie started his career; am I right?)
>
>Huh? Well, I live in Berlin and there is no such park that I know of.
>The famous Zodiak club was located near the 'Hallesches Ufer' in
>Kreuzberg, also no park of that name there. In fact, the name is very
>weird. According to the dictionary, the only possible explanation for
>'Fauni' is the plural of Faun, i.e. a mystic or ancient god that is
>half man half goat similar to the greek Satyr. Don't know what that
>has to do with the bird noises on the track. 'Gena' on the other hand
>seems to be a part of the beek of a bird, so there you have it!
>
>But then again, maybe it was just the name of a good type of weed
>back in 1973, wouldn't be the first time they were inspired by the
>name of such a substance...
Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the words 2fauni
gena' but no TD connection:
www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then? My Deutch
is not too good.
Could someone help?
John Vertical
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From:
Olav Neander
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 8:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
John Vertical wrote:
>Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the words 2fauni
>gena' but no TD connection:
>www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
>It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then? My Deutch
>is not too good.
>
>Could someone help?
>
Yes, it's not in Berlin, but it's inside an Adventure Game... :-)
Olav
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From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 8:38
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
faun, faunie and gena are female names, so maybe one of the TD-members
had something with a girl with that name ???? ;-)
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: Olav Neander [mailto:oneander@o...]
Sent: donderdag 7 februari 2002 9:01
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
John Vertical wrote:
>Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the words 2fauni
>gena' but no TD connection:
>www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
>It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then? My
Deutch
>is not too good.
>
>Could someone help?
>
Yes, it's not in Berlin, but it's inside an Adventure Game... :-)
Olav
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 8:59
am
Subject: I want my homepage back
To whom it may concern..
My TD homepage (http://members.tripod.de/Network23/TD.html) is down for
the next six days. Tripod will revamp their server and promised me a lot
of 'smashing new features'..wow! ;-)
Heiko
From:
'airsculpture'
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 9:09
am
Subject: Re: Fauni-Gena
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then?
From the street names, it's meant to be the Netherlands.
> My Deutch is not too good.
That's 'Dutch', right? :)
So many of the track titles (especially round this time) seem to have
been picked because they sound interesting in a Daliesque sort of
way. I'm not sure there's much benefit in thinking too hard about
them.
jc
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
John,
Your web reference appears to be to a city that the creator of the web site
calls 'Endwelt Elysium' literally: 'Final World Elysium', probably 'City of the
Dead'. I believe this is for a role playing game as the link on the home page
that takes you there is in a column headed 'Roleplaying'. So the park of
'Fauni-Gena' would be as imaginary as the rest of the city.
About Fauni-Gena: Gena appears to be the feminine latin noun for 'cheek'. Fauni
appears to be an erroneous latin combining term borrowed from technical latin
meaning 'of animals'. I'm not going to pretend to be a linguist, but I wouldn't
be surprised if 'fauni-gena' roughly means 'animal sounds'. I think that
interpretation fits the music pretty well as there are bird sounds and I think
the mellotron supplies other animal sounds quite well. Edgar was 28 years old
at the time, Chris was 19, and Peter was almost 20. I don't think we can delve
too deeply for hidden meaning. It probably isn't worth pursuing further. Just
enjoy the ambience. -- Mark
John Vertical wrote:
>
> > > and Fauni-Gena... (BTW, I think that the latter's a park in Berlin,
> >near the
> > > original Zodiak club where Eddie started his career; am I right?)
> >
> >Huh? Well, I live in Berlin and there is no such park that I know of.
> >The famous Zodiak club was located near the 'Hallesches Ufer' in
> >Kreuzberg, also no park of that name there. In fact, the name is very
> >weird. According to the dictionary, the only possible explanation for
> >'Fauni' is the plural of Faun, i.e. a mystic or ancient god that is
> >half man half goat similar to the greek Satyr. Don't know what that
> >has to do with the bird noises on the track. 'Gena' on the other hand
> >seems to be a part of the beek of a bird, so there you have it!
> >
> >But then again, maybe it was just the name of a good type of weed
> >back in 1973, wouldn't be the first time they were inspired by the
> >name of such a substance...
>
> Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the words 2fauni
> gena' but no TD connection:
> www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
> It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then? My Deutch
> is not too good.
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From:
Peter Ravn
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 9:22
am
Subject: OT: BASF experiences
Hi,
I have som bad experiences with BASF MD and CD audio media.
In my 5,5 minidisc years did I never have any dropouts/pops (more than 500
MD's in different brands) but now BASF (EMTEC) do the job :-(
and also now on a CD audio (done at 1*speed)....
German quality ? :-(
Have anyone of you some experiences with that brand to share - I am very
disappointed about the (lack of) quality control?
Best regards,
Peter
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: BASF experiences
> In my 5,5 minidisc years did I never have any dropouts/pops (more than 500
> MD's in different brands) but now BASF (EMTEC) do the job :-(
> and also now on a CD audio (done at 1*speed)....
I don't buy BASF/EMTEC audio cdr's these days because I find them a bit too
expensive, but I bought some in the past and had no problems with them.
> German quality ? :-(
Don't believe the hype. .but you will definetly see some high German quality
at this years' World Cup football tournament ;-))
Heiko
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From:
TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 1:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: BASF experiences
At 10:41 07.02.02 , you wrote:
>> In my 5,5 minidisc years did I never have any dropouts/pops (more than 500
>> MD's in different brands) but now BASF (EMTEC) do the job :-(
>> and also now on a CD audio (done at 1*speed)....
>
>I don't buy BASF/EMTEC audio cdr's these days because I find them a bit too
>expensive, but I bought some in the past and had no problems with them.
>
*Bought some recently... no problems with them at all. In fact, they are
among the most compatible disc brands in regard to old and slightly
defective CD-players... no problem whatsoever.
>> German quality ? :-(
>
>Don't believe the hype. .but you will definetly see some high German quality
>at this years' World Cup football tournament ;-))
>
*Harf, harf... good joke... :-) Let´s see which round we´ll drop out in...
>Heiko
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
Peter Ravn
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: OT: Bryan Adams
Hi,
This evening will I go to Valby Hallen to see Bryan Adams first 2002 concert
- I wish it was TD instead ... nothing wrong with Adams but... :-)
Jarre did perform there twice back in 1997 now he plans a mega open air
concert in Denmark 6. and 7.9. ... nothing wrong with Jarre but... :-)
Peter
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
From:
'braddito'
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 12:55
pm
Subject: OT : BASF, World Cup & TDI
I can't believe Germany got seeded in to such an easy group, but at
least I know I'm free to go on holiday after the first round. Anyway,
the Speedway World Cup will probably be more exciting and England are
hosting it this year - we'll still get knocked out early, but we can
enjoy all the other teams then.
By the way Martin, I've noticed that you post from TDI, but it wasn't
until I checked the cover of DM3 while listening to it with my son
last night that I saw you got a mention in the 'Thanks to' section. I
suspect a lot of us would like to be in your shoes, or is it not as
interesting/ glamourous as we might think ?
Thanks to all who have given feedback on BASF CDR's, but it looks
like HP are probably the ones to go with for trading (as they seem to
be Taiyo Yuden produced) if Kodak have permanently stopped production
as noted by one of the guys who responded.
Toby
> >> German quality ? :-(
> >
> >Don't believe the hype. .but you will definetly see some high
German quality
> >at this years' World Cup football tournament ;-))
> >
>
> *Harf, harf... good joke... :-) Let´s see which round we´ll drop
out in...
>
> >Heiko
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> www.tdimusic.com
>
> Have a nice day!
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From:
Peter Ravn
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 1:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT : BASF, World Cup & TDI
Kodak has stopped - that was my favourite brand.
Germany is of course going to win again :-) some time...
BUT
Danish Dynamite or the french army will prevent it, because when Denmark
and France meet in the start one of a tournament one of those countries
will win overall: Like Europe 1984 - France, 1992 - Denmark, and WC 1998
- France... !!!
Greetings,
Danish Dynamite
-- Original Message --
>I can't believe Germany got seeded in to such an easy group, but at
>least I know I'm free to go on holiday after the first round. Anyway,
>the Speedway World Cup will probably be more exciting and England are
>hosting it this year - we'll still get knocked out early, but we can
>enjoy all the other teams then.
>
>By the way Martin, I've noticed that you post from TDI, but it wasn't
>until I checked the cover of DM3 while listening to it with my son
>last night that I saw you got a mention in the 'Thanks to' section. I
>suspect a lot of us would like to be in your shoes, or is it not as
>interesting/ glamourous as we might think ?
>
>Thanks to all who have given feedback on BASF CDR's, but it looks
>like HP are probably the ones to go with for trading (as they seem to
>be Taiyo Yuden produced) if Kodak have permanently stopped production
>as noted by one of the guys who responded.
>
>Toby
>
>> >> German quality ? :-(
>> >
>> >Don't believe the hype. .but you will definetly see some high
>German quality
>> >at this years' World Cup football tournament ;-))
>> >
>>
>> *Harf, harf... good joke... :-) Let´s see which round we´ll drop
>out in...
>>
>> >Heiko
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin Kasprzak
>> TDI- Music- Support.
>> Tel:-49-30-23620995
>> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>>
>> Visit our Website at:
>>
>> www.tdimusic.com
>>
>> Have a nice day!
>
>
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pr@r... & peter@r...
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 3:51
pm
Subject: OT: Rick Wright ZEE
I have been planning to transfer this 1984 vinyl album by Pink Floyd
keyboardist Richard Wright to CDR because I have never been able to find it on
CD.
Does anyone know for sure whether it was re-issued on disc?
Or is there anyone who may have already done a clean transfer, so I could save
some time (as well as some clicks and pops)?
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution, Room 821
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 4:23
pm
Subject: Re: Fauni-Gena
--- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
>I don't think we can delve too deeply for hidden meaning. It
>probably isn't worth pursuing further. Just enjoy the ambience.
Agreed - but it was important to stop the false information about it
being a park in Berlin before it ends up in the history books...
Arne
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
richter_arne wrote:
>
> --- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> >I don't think we can delve too deeply for hidden meaning. It
> >probably isn't worth pursuing further. Just enjoy the ambience.
>
> Agreed - but it was important to stop the false information about it
> being a park in Berlin before it ends up in the history books...
~LOL~ ... You are right there! On the Beyond_EM list Gary Andrews posted a
message an hour ago asking if what he'd read was true: Hans Zimmer began his
career playing with Tangerine Dream. I've never been able to determine whether
the publicity folks at the record labels take too many drugs, too few, or
simply, the wrong type.
(Not me though. I'm clean.)
Ciao -- Mark
From:
atye@a...
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2002 10:11
pm
Subject: @ the used CD store today....
While looking at soundtracks in my local used CD store....I came across one
entitled 'Watch The Skies', a compilation of various space themed soundtrack
music by the original artists. Two of them caught my attention. 'Tommyknocker
suite' by C. Franke and 'Dark Skies' (a former USA TV show) by M. Hoenig.
Both of these tracks were listed as 'previously unreleased'.
Is this CD worth $7.99 ??
How 'rare' are these songs ??
Just wondering.....
Alex
ATYE
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 1:34
am
Subject: [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
All 8 covers for the tree are finished and ready for downloading and
printing. You can find them here:
http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/
Maff
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 1:48
am
Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon
I'm proud to announce the second annual 'Evening of Visionary Electronic
Music' featuring Steve Roach and Paul Ellis, June 29th at the Aladdin Theater
in Portland Oregon, 7:00 PM. This will be Steve's first Northwest solo
performance ever.
Be prepared for a night of ambient soundworlds high and deep, morphing into
thundering sequences, tribal grooves and hypnotic zonescapes.
Tickets are available now at
Click\
here: ticketmaster.com - ALADDIN THEATRE
or:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/venues.idc?vaxname=sea&venuenum=167
We are each presenting a solo set and somewhere in the flow a live improvised
portion will occur as we interlock our gear and let the music fly in the
grand tradition of classic sequencer driven music. We have some visual
surprises in store too.
The Aladdin is a beautiful old vaudeville theater from the turn of the
century outfitted with a state of the art sound system... A perfect place to
take it all in.
Plan to be catapulted into the mystic of deep listening.
It will be a night to remember!
Poly
Paul Ellis
Binary recordings at - www.hypnos.com
'Into the Liquid unknown' out now.
^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
^~~
'A forest seen from the air is complex and interesting. A single tree is
equally complex. One leaf, even one molecule is endlessly fascinating.
That's how music should be.'
Brian Eno
^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
^~~
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 2:23
am
Subject: Re: [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
This is going to be the most beautiful bootleg set the world has ever seen.
Thank you, Gustavo, Maff, and Marko, for such gorgeous artwork!
Thank you, Heiko, for the source material and the motivation!
Thank you, Joe, for organizing and managing it!
Thank you, all who mastered the discs, for being the engines!
Thank you, all who are branches, for being the gears!
Thank you, Edgar and Martin, for allowing it to happen!
And thank you, Tangerine Dream, for the wonderful and amazing music!
I love you all. -- Mark
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
>
> All 8 covers for the tree are finished and ready for downloading and
> printing. You can find them here:
>
> http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/
>
> Maff
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 2:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Maff:
*Wow* and *wow* again! Very nice work!
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
--- Matthew Sawyer
wrote:
> All 8 covers for the tree are finished and ready for
> downloading and
> printing. You can find them here:
>
> http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/
>
>
> Maff
>
>
>
>
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From:
Éric Rochon
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 2:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Got to applause real hard ! Very nice work ! Can't wait to hear the music
!!
Eric
From:
'scoobarama'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 3:34
am
Subject: Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE
I've never seen this album released on CD but that doesn't mean it
doesn't exist. Quite a nice LP, and seeing your mention of it here
made me go digging in my collection to verify I still owned a copy of
it! Luckily I do and it is a pristine copy, Michael. I'll be
transferring it over to CD-R myself simply for the convenience of the
format. Let me know if you want me to burn an extra for you. I'm
certain this one will be nice and quiet, plus I always do a little
cleanup afterward with Sound Forge just in case.
Michael Surber
--- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote:
> I have been planning to transfer this 1984 vinyl album by Pink
Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright to CDR because I have never been
able to find it on CD.
>
> Does anyone know for sure whether it was re-issued on disc?
>
> Or is there anyone who may have already done a clean transfer, so I
could save some time (as well as some clicks and pops)?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael A. Jean
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 4:00
am
Subject: OT: GraphEdit - Play, rip, and make DVDs, DiVX, MP3, WAV, ...more
Hi.
Having trouble playing DVDs? Would you like to rip audio and video?
For me, the answer to both were 'Yes'. No soft DVD players would work reliably
on my system. Rippers produced stuttering WAV files.
Not any longer. Check this out:
http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/graphedit.html
What it is: Have you ever played 'The Incredible Machine'? Well, this is an
incredible machine for ripping DVD and DiVX and making them too, and for
converting MP3s etc. It looks like you can build almost any audio or video
processor with GraphEdit. All you have to do is plug the modules together.
I'm running Win98SE and this is the first tool with which I've been able to
play a DVD straight through without locking up. And I've flawlessly ripped DVD
audio with it too.
If you download it and want help, I'll send you some of the '.grf' machines
I've built and that work.
Enjoy! -- Mark
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From:
Victor Rek
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 4:13
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: GraphEdit - Play, rip, and make DVDs, DiVX, MP3, WAV, ...more
Mark - no SPAM please.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Filipak [SMTP:filipak@e...]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:01 PM
To: Tadream List; Beyond_EM List
Subject: [tadream] OT: GraphEdit - Play, rip, and make DVDs, DiVX, MP3, WAV,
...more
Hi.
Having trouble playing DVDs? Would you like to rip audio and video?
From:
'albenson'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 5:33
am
Subject: Re: The 'tree' of course! ~lol~
Hey gang -- I just wanted to say this...
Having now downloaded the zip file with the tree cover
artwork for the 'Tangerine Tree' in a word it's fabulous.
Hats off to Maff, Jobim & Marin. BTW: I also liked J.
Gordon's tree idea and_you_just leave them right there
in the Tadream file section. We may have use for them
yet... ;-)
The actual number of TD diehards involved in this project
is immense. Least it be for me to name the names but to
(in no particular order): 3N, Jabberwock, Danish Dynamite,
Tentbuckum, Federico, and my old TD friend and colleague
T-Spect Le. Of course, Joe (our fearless leader), who did
everything humanly possible to make this work out right
and fair. Last, but not least, my good TD friend Heiko of
Seevetal who had the vision and guts to start the TD ball
rolling in the first place. I say to thee, 'Bravo Heiko!'
The reason I became a TD diehard was to hear this incredible
music. The only way you could get it was to become one... ;-)
For those of you that are already familiar with these TD live
concerts -- prepare yourselves for a new level in sound quality.
And, for those of you that have yet to hear it... All I can say is
fasten your TD safety belts -- it's going to be the ride of your
life and all the right stuff that real diehard T-dreams are made
off.
One constructive thought to TDI... It's stated on each and every
cover the following: 'Produced by fans for fans - never sell or
buy, trade freely.' That about says it_all_for me too... :-)))
Finally, to 'Tangerine Dream' the greatest band there ever was!
Best Regards,
-- Al (the TD's pal)
Berkeley, CA / USA
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
PS: If I forgot anyone above -- my apologizes. :-(
Bless all of the hardworking branches too... :-)
PPS: (Private Joke) To Bruce: 'Bring out
the hounds, the TD game's afoot!' ~lol~
NP: You all know the bottom line...
Just about_anything_so long as it's
~TANGERINE DREAM~
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
> All 8 covers for the tree are finished and ready for downloading and
> printing. You can find them here:
>
> http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/
To quote Professor Mota (sp?), the announcer of the Washington Lisner
Auditorium 1977 recording: 'you guys are great' :-)
Just one small correction, the total playing time of Bilbao 1976 is not
1.54,29 but only 1.14,29...sad but true ;-)
Regards
Heiko
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: GraphEdit - Play, rip, and make DVDs, DiVX, MP3, WAV, ...more
Spam?
Look, if there was a bad dealer -- a crook -- would a warning be spam? Of
course not. Well, what about a good experience? What the hell use is a list
like this if people can't exchange information about things that work?
Is this list only to exchange reminiscences about where we were and what we
were doing when we first heard thus-and-such TD track? I don't think so.
I don't have any economic stake in GraphEdit, so I don't think what I posted
can be considered spam.
I'm sorry you were offended, Vic.
Ciao -- Mark
Victor Rek wrote:
>
> Mark - no SPAM please.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [SMTP:filipak@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:01 PM
> To: Tadream List; Beyond_EM List
> Subject: [tadream] OT: GraphEdit - Play, rip, and make DVDs, DiVX,
MP3, WAV, ...more
>
> Hi.
>
> Having trouble playing DVDs? Would you like to rip audio and video?
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> Just one small correction, the total playing time of Bilbao 1976 is not
> 1.54,29 but only 1.14,29...sad but true ;-)
Are you sure Heiko? I'm going by the times in your concert list,
Maff
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
> > Just one small correction, the total playing time of Bilbao 1976 is not
> > 1.54,29 but only 1.14,29...sad but true ;-)
>
> Are you sure Heiko? I'm going by the times in your concert list,
aargh!..where's my cup of Java? ;-)
of course 1.54,29 is the correct time!
regards
sleepy Heiko
From:
'albenson'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Al sends Heiko a big & piping hot steaming
'Cappuccino' from the Met in Bezerkeley... ;-)
Best Always,
Your TD pal,
-- Al
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Thanks to everyone for the kind words!
I've had to make a couple of minor alterations to the credits for volumes 4,
7 and 8. If you've downloaded those ones already, please get them again.
Maff
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From:
'armin_theissen'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:08
am
Subject: cd tree
hi,
sorry for this post, but I've been away from here for quite a
while and must have missed most info about the current cd tree.
Of course, as a lover of TD's music, I'd be very interested to
get my hands on these, but once again (like in the tape tree
we once had here) I can not contribute in burning CDs (no burner).
Any chance to be a tree endpoint here? Whoever can help me
out (I'm located in Dublin, Ireland) would you please email me
in private (to avoid cluttering this list) at
Armin.Theissen@s...
many many many thanks.
From:
'armin_theissen'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:17
am
Subject: td/schulze music on bulgarian tv
hi,
I don't even remember whether I posted this already. So I
possibly repeat myself here.
Just because I found it funny. I spend Xmas/New Years Eve
in Bulgaria and watched some reviews of the year 2001 on
bulgarian TV (bulgarian politics and events in general).
It was all over accompanied with music of TD and Klaus
Schulze, all sorts of stuff from mid 70s to today! There
was a real expert at work. Most notably they played the
first track of '7 letters from Tibet' along with the
pictures of the collapsing WTC.
armin
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:41
am
Subject: td remix on UKtv
Have any of the other UK listmembers seen the recent ad for 'The Bill' ?
It sounds like someone has written a dance track with loops from Wavelength
.
Does anyone know anything else about it ? it sounds quite good .
Paul
From:
odean@m...
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 2:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
At 08:04 AM 2/8/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks to everyone for the kind words!
>
>I've had to make a couple of minor alterations to the credits for volumes 4,
>7 and 8. If you've downloaded those ones already, please get them again.
>
>
>Maff
Have these changes been made to the 'zip' file as well?
Thanks,
Oscar
http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
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From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 11:19
am
Subject: Dante's inferno
Thanks peer 2 peer network, i've got the 2 set of TD'S Dante's inferno.
I have an question: has someone the lyrics ??
this because English is not my native language.
thanks
Bert
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:50
pm
Subject: Re: Dante's inferno
You mean second set? there is a second set of Bernau2001? or is it another
concert?
I too would like to know about the lyrics. I can't understand anything. I
can't even tell if it's English, German or Cantonese.
> Thanks peer 2 peer network, i've got the 2 set of TD'S Dante's inferno.
> I have an question: has someone the lyrics ??
> this because English is not my native language.
> thanks
> Bert
From:
Christian Villazón
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 1:01
pm
Subject: Tree
Hello,
Great work!!! Thanks to Heiko, Gustavo, Maff, Marko and Joe
for that excellent work and all the people of the tree for make
this possible. Of course thanks to TD for that great music
Christian
From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 1:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dante's inferno
i think the first and second set are the same concert but one evening
and one night show
look at
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Nieoficjalne_91-____/Dante_sInfernoOpis/
dante_sinfernoopis.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
Sent: vrijdag 8 februari 2002 13:51
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Dante's inferno
You mean second set? there is a second set of Bernau2001? or is it
another
concert?
I too would like to know about the lyrics. I can't understand anything.
I
can't even tell if it's English, German or Cantonese.
> Thanks peer 2 peer network, i've got the 2 set of TD'S Dante's
inferno.
> I have an question: has someone the lyrics ??
> this because English is not my native language.
> thanks
> Bert
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 1:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dante's inferno
> i think the first and second set are the same concert but one evening
> and one night show look at
that's right. The first show started at 8.30 pm, the second at 11pm. Both
shows were pretty much identical, I couldn't make out any difference between
them.
Regards
Heiko
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: [tree] note about Inferno cover
Hello folks,
thanks for the nice words about the artwork. We all did a great job indeed,
and I learned a lot about artwork creation myself, thanks to Maff; and
thanks also to all who worked and contributed with this project!
About Bernau 2001, the tracklist is divided in 13 parts.
There will be an official release of this (right?); when it's released, the
intention is to substitute the part 1-13 names for the proper official
titles. So maybe if you want to save on ink and paper, I think it's better
to wait for the updated back cover.
well that's it for now.
GJ
(can't wait to hear the music! :)
From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 2:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1223
> From: Olav Neander
> Subject: Re: Re: Fauni-Gena
>
> John Vertical wrote:
>
> >Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the words 2fauni
> >gena' but no TD connection:
> >www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
> >It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then? My Deutch
> >is not too good.
> >
> >Could someone help?
> >
>
> Yes, it's not in Berlin, but it's inside an Adventure Game... :-)
The map on that page is based on part of the city of Darmstadt (Hessen).
In fact, the most famous part of Darmstadt (lots of Jugendstil architecture).
See http://www.tu-darmstadt.de/city/sewue.html
(Nothing to do with TD, I'm afraid...)
--
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http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351
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0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake]
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 2:37
pm
Subject: Dante's Inferno
>You mean second set? there is a second set of Bernau2001? or is it
>another concert?
Gustavo, don't panic, the second concert was identical to the
first. (As humanly possible)
>I too would like to know about the lyrics. I can't understand
anything. >I can't even tell if it's English, German or Cantonese.
The lyrics were in many languages, you'd have to be a _real_
language talent to understand them all.
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Rick Wright ZEE
Does anyone know for sure whether it was re-issued on disc?
Hi
Yes, it was. I've just confirmed this with a Floyd-mad friend. He clearly
remembers destroying a copy of this CD (He's very passionate about his Floyd
you-know!) because it wasn't up to his expectations. My own memories of it
are dim, I remember that I wasn't very taken by it.
Best
Brian
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 11:10
pm
Subject: Re: Dante's Inferno
To know that makes me even more eager to hear the official release which
hopefully (PLEASE!) will have the printed lyrics in the booklet...
> The lyrics were in many languages, you'd have to be a _real_
> language talent to understand them all.
> cheers,
> klaus
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 4:51
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
A track by TD & Mike Oldfield was mentioned on the Spanish TD list, but
probably it's just another 'urban myth'. You can download the MP3 from
http://www.tubular-world.com/download/ (Spezial section) and decide for
yourself. I was expecting to find 'Tubular Bells', as this is a common
mistake, but this is not the case. Anyway this 'Untitled' track sounds
to me like a typical Mike Oldfield track, but I couldn't identify it.
Antonio
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 5:00
pm
Subject: [tree] What awesome artwork
To all of you that contributed to the artwork, all I can say is WOW!
It is very striking and ties together very well across volumes.
That part that just blew me away was how you made it so that the
spines create a picture when the volumes are standing next to
eachother in order. When I first looked at the back covers, I
thought there was a mishap and clips of pictures were appended to
each image. But then I caught on. What a cool idea!
Now I'm even more anxious to get my hands on these CDs.
Thanks for all of your hard work!
Rich Maggio
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:01
pm
Subject: Fauni - Gena
I thought the name was something to do with astronomy / constellations.
Can any star-gazers confirm or deny?
David
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:15
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
I was intrigued, so I gave it a listen... Personally, I don;t think it sounds
like either artist... The only TD/Oldfield connection I was aware of was Don
Alphonso....
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Antonio Nunes np97fa@m...
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:51:35 +0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
A track by TD & Mike Oldfield was mentioned on the Spanish TD list, but
probably it's just another 'urban myth'. You can download the MP3 from
http://www.tubular-world.com/download/ (Spezial section) and decide for
yourself. I was expecting to find 'Tubular Bells', as this is a common
mistake, but this is not the case. Anyway this 'Untitled' track sounds
to me like a typical Mike Oldfield track, but I couldn't identify it.
Antonio
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From:
'matthewsawyer'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
--- In tadream@y..., odean@m... wrote:
> Have these changes been made to the 'zip' file as well?
They have, yes. Of course, you won't be able to get at the zip file
right now because with great timing my isp webspace just fell over.
But it'll be back again later.
Maff
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
'michaeljean@e...' wrote:
>
> The only TD/Oldfield connection I was aware of was Don Alphonso....
What connection is that? Sorry if it was discussed already here.
Antonio
From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:33
pm
Subject: The Tangerine Tree
Wow! and WOW! again.
Great idea from Heiko in the first place!
Superb organisation by Joe!
Fantastic artwork by Maff, Gustavo and Marko!
and Thanks to all the Branches and leaves!
Fabulous music too from Tangerine Dream!
Well done to all of you.
Thank you all.
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., 'maggior' wrote:
> To all of you that contributed to the artwork, all I can say is
WOW!
> It is very striking and ties together very well across volumes.
>
> That part that just blew me away was how you made it so that the
> spines create a picture when the volumes are standing next to
> eachother in order. When I first looked at the back covers, I
> thought there was a mishap and clips of pictures were appended to
> each image. But then I caught on. What a cool idea!
>
> Now I'm even more anxious to get my hands on these CDs.
>
> Thanks for all of your hard work!
>
> Rich Maggio
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From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 8:51
pm
Subject: Re: The Tangerine Tree
And a further WOW to all of you who have re-mastered the sound on the
CDS.
Thanks to you all too!
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., 'dreamstogo' wrote:
> Wow! and WOW! again.
>
> Great idea from Heiko in the first place!
> Superb organisation by Joe!
> Fantastic artwork by Maff, Gustavo and Marko!
> and Thanks to all the Branches and leaves!
> Fabulous music too from Tangerine Dream!
>
> Well done to all of you.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Hilary
>
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'maggior' wrote:
> > To all of you that contributed to the artwork, all I can say is
> WOW!
> > It is very striking and ties together very well across volumes.
> >
> > That part that just blew me away was how you made it so that the
> > spines create a picture when the volumes are standing next to
> > eachother in order. When I first looked at the back covers, I
> > thought there was a mishap and clips of pictures were appended to
> > each image. But then I caught on. What a cool idea!
> >
> > Now I'm even more anxious to get my hands on these CDs.
> >
> > Thanks for all of your hard work!
> >
> > Rich Maggio
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 9:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
The guitar does sound like Mike Oldfield to me, but I have no idea what this
is. Doesn't sound like it's a real Oldfield track. But I don't know all his
albums, so I have no idea at all. I've never heard of a TD/MO connection in Don
Alfonso (?!).
>I was intrigued, so I gave it a listen... Personally, I don;t think it sounds
like either artist... The only TD/Oldfield connection I was aware of was Don
Alphonso....
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Dean Mitchell'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:59
pm
Subject: DIE MEDIANEN VON ZYMBIOLA
Is there anyone that can tell me about a recent LP that I have just ordered
It is titled DIE MEDIANEN VON ZYMBIOLA. It said it was a limited edition of 50
copies. The music is by Tangerine Dream from 1977 concert at Seattle
The Vinyl is coloured blue. I have not seen this Lp listed as either a bootleg
or official release.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 10:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
I plugged the URL into http://world.altavista.com/ and
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:49 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
>
>
> > > and Fauni-Gena... (BTW, I think that the latter's a park
> in Berlin,
> >near the
> > > original Zodiak club where Eddie started his career; am I right?)
> >
> >Huh? Well, I live in Berlin and there is no such park that I know of.
> >The famous Zodiak club was located near the 'Hallesches Ufer' in
> >Kreuzberg, also no park of that name there. In fact, the name is very
> >weird. According to the dictionary, the only possible explanation for
> >'Fauni' is the plural of Faun, i.e. a mystic or ancient god that is
> >half man half goat similar to the greek Satyr. Don't know what that
> >has to do with the bird noises on the track. 'Gena' on the other hand
> >seems to be a part of the beek of a bird, so there you have it!
> >
> >But then again, maybe it was just the name of a good type of weed
> >back in 1973, wouldn't be the first time they were inspired by the
> >name of such a substance...
>
>
> Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the
> words 2fauni
> gena' but no TD connection:
> www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
> It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where
> then? My Deutch
> is not too good.
>
> Could someone help?
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 10:19
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
Perhaps I am wrong, but I recall someone telling me many years ago that Edgar
was somehow involved in the production of that song...
MJ
Original Message:
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From: Antonio Nunes np97fa@m...
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:58:38 +0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
'michaeljean@e...' wrote:
>
> The only TD/Oldfield connection I was aware of was Don Alphonso....
What connection is that? Sorry if it was discussed already here.
Antonio
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 10:36
pm
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
If nothing else, I think both tracks may have appeared on the 'V' comilation
album. Perhaps someone who owns it can check for any other connection...
MJ
Original Message:
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From: michaeljean@e... michaeljean@e...
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:19:10 -0500
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
Perhaps I am wrong, but I recall someone telling me many years ago that Edgar
was somehow involved in the production of that song...
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Antonio Nunes np97fa@m...
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:58:38 +0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
'michaeljean@e...' wrote:
>
> The only TD/Oldfield connection I was aware of was Don Alphonso....
What connection is that? Sorry if it was discussed already here.
Antonio
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 11:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
'michaeljean@e...' wrote:
>
> Perhaps I am wrong, but I recall someone telling me many years ago that Edgar
was somehow involved in the production of that song...
Yes, I've just found this on the web:
'The German version of Don Alfonso was produced by Tangerine Dream
leader Edgar Froese and sung by a drunken rodie of Tangerin Dream who's
name was Paul.'
Antonio
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 1:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream feat. Mike Oldfield?
Hi folks, I've just confirmed this on the Oldfield list:
'it [Don Alfonso] was produced by edgar froese. The singer was Roland Rolli
Paulick, he was a member of TD a short time( on alpha cantauri he played a
keyboard ems vcs 3). Now, Roland Paulick lives in berlin and is the chief and
owner of a business who prints newspapers and other stuff.'
thanks to Alex Schweigert for the info.
>Yes, I've just found this on the web:
>'The German version of Don Alfonso was produced by Tangerine Dream
>leader Edgar Froese and sung by a drunken rodie of Tangerin Dream who's
>name was Paul.'
>Antonio
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:27
am
Subject: [tree] Cover art update
Some people on the list have asked for larger quality images of volumes 1-3
to print off, and I've added them to the covers site. All the cover files
are now available at 300dpi and should print off nicely.
http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree
Also, my ISP problems that were making the zip file unavailable earier have
now been fixed.
Maff
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From:
Victor Rek
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 1:46
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dante's inferno
I noticed a sequence or two more at the 11PM show. This was a fantastic
experience.
I have some programs and posters available from this show if anyone is
interested. Vic
-----Original Message-----
From: Heiko Heerssen [SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:14 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dante's inferno
> i think the first and second set are the same concert but one evening
> and one night show look at
that's right. The first show started at 8.30 pm, the second at 11pm. Both
shows were pretty much identical, I couldn't make out any difference between
them.
Regards
Heiko
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From:
Victor Rek
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 3:05
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Dante's Inferno
I believe that Inferno has words in Italian, English and Spanish (sung by
Iris). I recall see the languages listed somewhere.
Was it mentioned on the ElektroBeats show?
Vic
NP: Navigator - Oceanic Empire (Anderson, Eshihlsen, Peschke) - wonderful!
-----Original Message-----
From: Klaus Beschorner [SMTP:klaus@c...]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:38 AM
To: tadream list (mod)
Subject: [tadream] Dante's Inferno
<< File: ATT00029.txt; charset = ISO-8859-2 >>
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 9:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Hi all of you!
I'm Jarek Wiktorowicz a.k.a 'Jerry'. I'm from Poland, obviously. I was just
a reader until now. This is my first letter to you.
Just a little question: what about circular labels for the CDs? Is anybody
going to create them?
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:35 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
>
>
> All 8 covers for the tree are finished and ready for downloading and
> printing. You can find them here:
>
> http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/
>
>
> Maff
>
>
>
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 5:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Wow Maff those covers are tremendous!
Excellent work.
Poly
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 5:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Oops, I sent that before I finished.
I meant to add that if that's the packaging and the sound is being cleaned up
by fans, then TDI should take a long look at what's going on and rather than
threatening to sue perhaps you could look at releasing them officially this
way and give a cut to those who worked on the project sound / art whatever
and of course TD benefits with the largest cut of the pie... Look, it's a
labor of love by fans who are going to give their all. People are constantly
screaming for classic TD sound here it is ready made. It would sell! TD can
continue to make new music to please the fans that prefer the new stuff and
the old fans are happy too.... It's a win / win situation.... maybe
conservative small runs like a pressing of what? 100 CD's? 500 CD's ? I have
no idea what sales are like, but let's say 100 CD's of each show... you're
telling me these won't be eaten up? Everyone makes coin. Everyone's happy...
I apologize if this has been addressed in one way or another already. I have
been extremely busy and haven't been able to follow the threads very closely,
just throwing out some thoughts.
Poly
Paul Ellis
Binary recordings at - www.hypnos.com
'Into the Liquid unknown' out now.
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^~~
'A forest seen from the air is complex and interesting. A single tree is
equally complex. One leaf, even one molecule is endlessly fascinating.
That's how music should be.'
Brian Eno
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From:
Peter Ravn
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 8:03
am
Subject: Inferno news on the TDI site
Hi,
The TDI mall site, http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html , have been
updated about the Inferno release:
'Exclusive website prelaunch of Inferno!!!
TDI MUSIC will be prelaunching Tangerine Dream's newest epic album,'Inferno',
exclusively on our site. The album is the band's musical vision of the first
part of Dante Alighieri's classic 'La Divina Commedia' and features TD's
trademark sound plus elusive choral arrangements and the intriguing vocals
of Jayney Klimek (... of 'The Other Ones'-fame). The music was premiered
to an enchanted audience in Berlin/Bernau's St.-Marien-Kirche last October
and now finally sees its release on CD. The officíal release
of the album into the retail market is not planned before May/June 2002,
therefore, visitors of the TDI-site are hereby getting the chance to obtain
Tangerine Dream's newest creation long before it will actually be hitting
the shops. TDI MUSIC will prelaunch the release with an exclusive bundle-package
- the album should be ready for shipping in approx. 3 weeks.
Preorders for the bundle will be taken soon.'
Regards,
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 11:50
am
Subject: Re : [tadream] Inferno news on the TDI site
Oh no, not another 50 dollar package with a t-shirt and/or a scuba-diving
watch I hope...
Paul
----------
>De : Peter Ravn
>À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Objet : [tadream] Inferno news on the TDI site
>Date : Sam 9 fév 2002 9:03
>
> Hi,
> The TDI mall site, http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html , have been
> updated about the Inferno release:
>
> 'Exclusive website prelaunch of Inferno!!!
>
> TDI MUSIC will be prelaunching Tangerine Dream's newest epic album,'Inferno',
> exclusively on our site. The album is the band's musical vision of the first
> part of Dante Alighieri's classic 'La Divina Commedia' and features TD's
> trademark sound plus elusive choral arrangements and the intriguing vocals
> of Jayney Klimek (... of 'The Other Ones'-fame). The music was premiered
> to an enchanted audience in Berlin/Bernau's St.-Marien-Kirche last October
> and now finally sees its release on CD. The officíal release
> of the album into the retail market is not planned before May/June 2002,
> therefore, visitors of the TDI-site are hereby getting the chance to obtain
> Tangerine Dream's newest creation long before it will actually be hitting
> the shops. TDI MUSIC will prelaunch the release with an exclusive
bundle-package
> - the album should be ready for shipping in approx. 3 weeks.
>
>
> Preorders for the bundle will be taken soon.'
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter Ravn
> pr@r... & peter@r...
>
>
>
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 12:01
pm
Subject: Inferno Release date NEWS
Hi all.
today I received following NEWS from the Groove Unlimited :
TANGERINE DREAM´s newest epic album, 'Inferno'.
The album is the band´s musical vision of the first part of
Dante Alighieri´s classic 'La Divina Commedia' and features
TD´s trademark sound plus elusive choral arrangements
and the intriguing vocals of Jayney Klimek (... of 'The
Other Ones'-fame).
The music was premiered to an enchanted audience in
Bernau´s St.-Marien-Kirche last October and now finally
sees its release on CD.
The official release of the album into the retail market is
planned for May/June 2002, the finished product will be
available for retailers in March.
(Press info)
So we wait :-(((
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
(Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage)
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de
Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de -
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 12:45
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
>I plugged the URL into http://world.altavista.com/ and
And? Looks like Mr. Scissors Virus is at it again.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 12:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD / Oldfield?
>Hi folks, I've just confirmed this on the Oldfield list:
>
>'it [Don Alfonso] was produced by edgar froese. The singer was Roland Rolli
>Paulick, he was a member of TD a short time( on alpha cantauri he played a
>keyboard ems vcs 3). Now, Roland Paulick lives in berlin and is the chief
>and owner of a business who prints newspapers and other stuff.'
>
>thanks to Alex Schweigert for the info.
>
> >Yes, I've just found this on the web:
> >'The German version of Don Alfonso was produced by Tangerine Dream
> >leader Edgar Froese and sung by a drunken rodie of Tangerin Dream who's
> >name was Paul.'
> >Antonio
Umm... so this Don Alfonso is some Olfield track remixed by Edgar? What year
is it from? And what about the original mp3, is that exactly the Don A. or
just fake?
John Vertical
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 12:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
I always liked this title track.
For me it gives it a sort of pre-historic edge
to it and not only the title track does give it
that but also most certainly the music.
It's also nice to know that there are some quite
good sounding live recordings from that time.
I like those atmospheric passages even if there
is no sequencer in it. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 1:40
pm
Subject: DIE MEDIANEN VON ZYMBIOLA
Dean, I'm quoting my own bootleg updates here:
'Die Medianen von Zymbiola' is a 'The Emerald Beyond',
who's matrix number has been scratched out and a hand-made
cover replaced the original one.
There are no blue vinyl 'Emeralds' , so someone may have
packaged you some other hard-to-sell , dust-gathering
leftover LP ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD / Oldfield?
John Vertical wrote:
> Umm... so this Don Alfonso is some Olfield track remixed by Edgar? What year
> is it from? And what about the original mp3, is that exactly the Don A. or
> just fake?
The MP3 I mentioned yesterday is not 'Don Alfonso'. 'Don Alfonso' is a
song (with lyrics) and that MP3 is instrumental and quite different.
Perhaps Gustavo Jobim could ask on the Oldfield list if anyone knows
anything about it. Here is the URL again:
http://www.tubular-world.com/download/#special
Antonio
From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:24
pm
Subject: Okee 2001 CDs?
Hello All,
I am very glad to see the latest installment of Dreamwatchers Tales is to be
released soon, (hopefully there will be more and more......). But does
anyone have any info on the Okee Swamp CD from the 2001 gathering? I thought
I had heard that there was enough music for a 2 CD release.
I am not trying to be a pain, but the music of Marcel and Dave from the 2000
gathering rarely leaves my CD player and I am hungerin' for some new music.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Neal
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Okee 2001 CDs?
Hi Neal,
The master CD was at Eric's (from Alfa Centauri fame) place
and in the midst of mastering his equipment broke down.
Now a new master went to Dave Law from SMD and he's doing the
final bits. It should be out very soon now.
Though it's going to be a single CD.
Thanks for the kind words!
I must say that Oke2000 turned out quite good and this new
one is no exception. Next to the long tracks, expect some fun
bits too. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> From: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...]
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am very glad to see the latest installment of Dreamwatchers
> Tales is to be
> released soon, (hopefully there will be more and more......). But does
> anyone have any info on the Okee Swamp CD from the 2001
> gathering? I thought
> I had heard that there was enough music for a 2 CD release.
>
> I am not trying to be a pain, but the music of Marcel and Dave
> from the 2000
> gathering rarely leaves my CD player and I am hungerin' for some
> new music.
>
> Thanks for letting me rant.
> Neal
>
>
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 4:18
pm
Subject: [tree] SHN subtree is ready to lauch
Hi to all, especially to the SHN subtree members!
I've just finished creating the SHN masters from the redbook CDs I
got from Heiko yesterday and will now burn the copies for the first
level branches of the SHN subtree (who were originally planned to be
seeded by Heiko directly). The CDs will be shipped early next week.
For those who wanted to know how many CDs they will need: The
compression rate of SHN is not as high as I had expected, thus it
will need six CDs (instead of ten for the redbook edition).
Here the data:
Disc 1 - Volume 1 (Nottingham) - 510 MB
Disc 2 - Volume 2 & 3 (Sheffield & Bernau) - 690 MB
Disc 3 - Volume 4 (Washington) - 641 MB
Disc 4 - Volume 5 (Frankfurt) - 218 MB (sic!)
Disc 5 - Volume 6 (Bilbao) - 651 MB
Disc 6 - Volume 7 & 8 (Croydon & Berlin) - 576 MB
Thus you will need at least two blank 700 MB CDs; the rest can be 650
MB discs.
It's a pity, but though I juggled the SHN's on I on, there was no way
to get them on five discs -- the only possibility might have been to
split the long concerts of Washington or Bilbao on two discs, but I
didn't think that would be a good idea.
BTW: The music is really GREAT! I hope you all will receive this
stuff very soon!
Many thanks to all who have been involved in this fan project! Yoe've
done a great work!
Regards
Michael
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 4:33
pm
Subject: [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
And another hi, specially for the SHN tree members...
I've done some additional cover artwork for the SHN edition. This is
not at all to offend the 'official tree artists' -- they have done a
great job and I like that artwork very much. I think it's even better
than some of the TDI artwork -- especially as it contains no
errors... ;-)
But I thought it would come handy if the SHN edition CDs would get
their own artwork, as some of the volumes are combined on one disc,
thus the official artwork does not fit always. So each SHN CD comes
with an additional front cover that is contained on the CD as a jpg
file ready to be printed. There is no backside artwork, as I'm using
ultra slim cases for my data CDs that have no room for a backside
insert. If you want to have a look, the artwork is downloadable from
the following address, too:
http://www.voices-in-the-net.de/shn-tree
Please note: This page is NOT part of Voices In The Net; I used only
the same webspace. And this page will be removed in some weeks as I'm
running low on webspace, and with the next update of Voices In The
Net this page will most pobably be removed again. I had planned to do
an update this weekend, but then something more important
happened... ;-)
And please note: You don't have to download the files from the web;
they are contained on the CDs themselves. But -- blame on me: I have
forgotten to add the official redbook artwork to the CD masters, too.
Too late now, sorry!
Best regards
Michael
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Converting the shn edition
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno news on the TDI site
Jayney is the same one who sang Dreamtime and on TOTT, right?
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ravn [mailto:pr@r...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 3:04 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Inferno news on the TDI site
>
>
> Hi,
> The TDI mall site, http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html , have been
> updated about the Inferno release:
>
> 'Exclusive website prelaunch of Inferno!!!
>
> TDI MUSIC will be prelaunching Tangerine Dream's newest epic
> album,'Inferno',
> exclusively on our site. The album is the band's musical vision
> of the first
> part of Dante Alighieri's classic 'La Divina Commedia' and features TD's
> trademark sound plus elusive choral arrangements and the intriguing vocals
> of Jayney Klimek (... of 'The Other Ones'-fame). The music was premiered
> to an enchanted audience in Berlin/Bernau's St.-Marien-Kirche last October
> and now finally sees its release on CD. The officíal release
> of the album into the retail market is not planned before May/June 2002,
> therefore, visitors of the TDI-site are hereby getting the chance
> to obtain
> Tangerine Dream's newest creation long before it will actually be hitting
> the shops. TDI MUSIC will prelaunch the release with an exclusive
> bundle-package
> - the album should be ready for shipping in approx. 3 weeks.
>
>
> Preorders for the bundle will be taken soon.'
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter Ravn
> pr@r... & peter@r...
>
>
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 5:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
michael_berling wrote:
> And please note: You don't have to download the files from the web;
> they are contained on the CDs themselves. But -- blame on me: I have
> forgotten to add the official redbook artwork to the CD masters, too.
> Too late now, sorry!
Perhaps it's not too late! If the CDR is not 'closed' you can add new
sessions until the disc is full. If you use Easy CD Creator, the default
is 'Close Session and Leave Disc Open', and so the addition of more
files is possible. You only have to import the previous session when you
add new data (I think Easy CD Creator does it too by default).
Antonio
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 7:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
> And please note: You don't have to download the files from the web;
> they are contained on the CDs themselves. But -- blame on me: I have
> forgotten to add the official redbook artwork to the CD masters, too.
> Too late now, sorry!
Great idea on the SHN art...I usually just keep my SHN's on a spindle for
storage purposes, but the slim cases will probably be nice for these. For
the official artwork, thayt is easy enough to fix...the branches can easily
add it on, or at minimum, my SHN leaf will get it. Thanks to everyone!
Craig
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
>And another hi, specially for the SHN tree members...
>I've done some additional cover artwork for the SHN edition.
Those covers are great!!
I'll definitely print them too, with the redbook covers :)
just one question: who's that on the frankfurt cover?!
GJ np: P.Glass - Rubric
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 8:34
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream(The greatest of all time)?
Just like meeting your future wife for the first time,just like the
first sip of a wonderful scotch whiskey,just when your favorite team
scores the winner in injury time,just when your offspring are
born,just when you snuggle up to Edgar the KINGS towel at night,just
when i put that TD cd in the system,i think to myself Tangerine
Dream,you are without doubt the GREATEST God bless you.
Best regards Colin South Wales.
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 9:32
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream(The greatest of all time)?
--- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote:
> scores the winner in injury time,just when your offspring are
> just when you snuggle up to Edgar the KINGS towel at night,just
did I miss something?? Snuggling up to Edgar???!! :-)
Is there something you' like to tell the rest of the list?? ;-)
But yeah, the music can sometimes get you like that... My fav TD
moments really make me remember what it was like listening to TD for
the first time back in 84/85.. like the sequencer/flute interlude on
Bent Cold Sidewalk for instance.. just wonderfl even now after all
these years
Peace
Orangefunk
From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 9:39
pm
Subject: Best 1970s bootleg
I don't get off much on the later TD sound but the old sound is just
amazing. I just listened to the Washington and Montreal shows from
1977 and can't believe how different they sound from one another (esp
after hearing TD do the same concerts note for note during the 80s...)
which just goes to show how they played everything live back then..
must have been amazing to have actually been there.. and those other
tracks which don't appear on Encore in any form are just so amazing!
Has anyone figured out where Cherokee Lane on Encore was played
yet?? Is the opinion that it was pieced together from multiple
concerts. Monolight from Washington 77 is exactly the same as on the
LP, which I find even more astonisjing as they don't even soundlike
they've been remixed. Direct to 2 track perhaps???!!
I love the radio commentaries too (the Washington one is great!), I
really wish they'd release some of this stuff officially..Hmmm!
So what are your fav TD boots from this period?
Peace
orangefunk
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 10:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
--- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>
> >And another hi, specially for the SHN tree members...
> >I've done some additional cover artwork for the SHN edition.
>
> Those covers are great!!
> I'll definitely print them too, with the redbook covers :)
> just one question: who's that on the frankfurt cover?!
>
> GJ np: P.Glass - Rubric
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
The man is... no, it's not Ed... ;-)
It's Rainer Werner Fassbinder, a quiet famous German director and
artist who had died in 1982 and for whom the Memorial Concert was
organized.
The last two minutes are a reaarrngement of 'Flying Kamikaze', a
track from 'Kamikaze 1989', a movie from 1982 Edgar had provided the
soundtrack for and Fassbinder had played the lead (most probably his
last). Thus these two minutes are an excellent kind of obituary...
Regards
Michael
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 10:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
--- In tadream@y..., Antonio Nunes wrote:
> Perhaps it's not too late! If the CDR is not 'closed' you can add
new
> sessions until the disc is full. If you use Easy CD Creator, the
default
> is 'Close Session and Leave Disc Open', and so the addition of more
> files is possible. You only have to import the previous session
when you
> add new data (I think Easy CD Creator does it too by default).
>
> Antonio
No, sorry, the discs had been closed already. Maybe the sub-branches
can add the redbook artwork when making copies for their sub-sub-
branches... ;-)
Michael
From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 10:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mood-affecting albums
Art Of Vision [31/01/2002 10:45] dijo/said:
>What albums have strong influence on your mood? That's
>very important part of TD music, at least for me.
>[...]
Now that you mention it, Logos always manages to cheer me up. In an
odd sort of way, the Logos track 'hooks' my mood, and then Dominion
brings it up.
Nothing to do with TD, but what the hey: when I am *furious* (not just
angry), I put on the VROOOM EP by King Crimson. Somehow it manages to
dissipate the rage and I'm left in a 'poker player' state.
--
MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n...
#include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel
<*>
'Resistance is useless!'
- anonymous vogon guard
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 10:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Artwork for SHN edition
BTW: If someone is curious about the strange scene on the cover for
disc 2 that lurks behind the misty clouds: It's not only a mysterious
semblance at the strand of nightmares (fitting quite well for
Nottingham 74) but in fact some detail of an illustration by the
French artist Gustave Doré (1832-83) made for Dante's Inferno...
There are illustrations for part two and three of The Divine Comedy
as well...
Regards
Michael
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 2:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Best 1970s bootleg
From: 'orangefunk_2000'
> Has anyone figured out where Cherokee Lane on Encore was played
> yet?? Is the opinion that it was pieced together from multiple
> concerts. Monolight from Washington 77 is exactly the same as on the
> LP, which I find even more astonisjing as they don't even soundlike
> they've been remixed. Direct to 2 track perhaps???!!
After hearing quite a few 77 concerts I'd say it's either pieced together
from live performances or a studio version. I believe the common concenus is
that Coldwater Canyon is also a studio piece, and Desert Dream is a mix of
some studio material and a short excerpt from 'Overture'. Monolight though
is definately 100% untouched from the Washington show.
> So what are your fav TD boots from this period?
My personal favorite era is 76, before Edgar went completely OTT on the
guitar riffs. No offence - when he got it right during the 77 tours it was
fantastic (particularly the Detriot and Washington show), but IMHO a lot of
time it was rather meandering. And the less said about 1978 the better.
1976 was the golden age - the shows in Berlin, Brussels (was this the first
appearance of passages from Monolight?), Manchester etc. Fantastic stuff.
Maff
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 2:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Final Tree Structure Posted!
I'm sorry. I'm pretty stupid when it comes to computers. I've tried that web
site, but I don't see where I am in the scheme of things. Can somebody just
tell me who my branch is? I'm five days and 150 emails behind. Thanks. 8-)
Dell
All IMO of course.
>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>Are you on the tree yet? Go to
>http://www.tadream.net/tree
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 2:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Final Tree Structure Posted!
From: 'Adele Outland'
> I'm sorry. I'm pretty stupid when it comes to computers. I've
> tried that web site, but I don't see where I am in the scheme
> of things. Can somebody just tell me who my branch is?
> I'm five days and 150 emails behind. Thanks.
If you go to the static tree list at
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treestructure/alphaname.htm you'll see your name
right at the top of the list. Your branch is Robert Grabowsky. Scan through
the page to find is email.
Maff
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: tree
I am dieing waiting for the disks to make it to this end of the world. It is
eating me alive reading all the posts, seeing all the art works, and the
reviews...
I am hating all of you who have heard the music.
In a good way of course. :)
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From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:26
am
Subject: Re: Fw: Belle Alliance
>
> Martyn
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:22 PM
> Subject: Belle Alliance
>
>
>
> I have a Belle Alliance CD by Ashra on eBay starting at $9.99 if anyone is
> interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martyn
>
>
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okee 2001 CDs?
Yes, the Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD is almost ready - but no official release
date yet.
I have approved the final graphics and once the CD master is ready, it
should be available shortly.
The Okefenokee 2002 gathering is happening in April and we are basically all
booked - contact me if you are still interested in attending. Check
http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm for more info.
More info to follow as we get closer to the CD release date and the
gathering.
Vic
> Thanks for the kind words!
> I must say that Oke2000 turned out quite good and this new
> one is no exception. Next to the long tracks, expect some fun
> bits too. :-)
>
> Marcel
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fw: Belle Alliance
tadreaming@c... wrote:
>
> > I have a Belle Alliance CD by Ashra on eBay starting at $9.99 if anyone is
> > interested.
-- NEWS FLASH --
Dateline Maarheeze, Netherlands (Groove Unlimited, www.groove.nl) 8 Feb 2002:
> ASHRA - Blackouts, Correlations and Belle Alliance. 3 very wanted CD's!
> And the good news is that on February 21st they all will be re-released!!
Jes thought y'all would like to know. -- Mark
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Best 1970s bootleg
>After hearing quite a few 77 concerts I'd say it's either pieced together
>from live performances or a studio version. I believe the common concenus
>is
>that Coldwater Canyon is also a studio piece, and Desert Dream is a mix of
>some studio material and a short excerpt from 'Overture'. Monolight though
>is definately 100% untouched from the Washington show.
Which section (of Desert Dream) would be from Oedipus Tyrannus?
I've heard that it would be more than just 1 section, with some studio
bridges and a small live clip at the end...
John Vertical
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:19
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Best 1970s bootleg
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
>
> Which section (of Desert Dream) would be from Oedipus Tyrannus?
> I've heard that it would be more than just 1 section, with some studio
> bridges and a small live clip at the end...
The beginning until the sequencer starts.
It's all atmospheric sounds.
Haven't played it for a long time so I'm not
100% sure but I remember it didn't had any
sequencers in it.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'H.'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:40
am
Subject: Converting the shn edition
Hi.
I will have to convert the shn files for my 'sub branch' to redbook audio.
Are there any hints about that?
I'd like to know if there is a preferred gap size (if the audio cds contains
several tracks) and if the audio cd should contain markers.
thanks
Herbert
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: tree
Still I can't contact my supplier. Any suggestions?
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'3N'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 12:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree
HeY!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
> Still I can't contact my supplier. Any suggestions?
>
> 'Jerry'
Yes, you would try on monday, when your branch-supplier will back to his
office.
Regards
JerzyK
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Olimpiada Salt Lake City 2002 >>> http://olimpiada2002.interia.pl/
>>> Aktualnosci >>> Terminarz >>> Areny >>> Galerie >>> Kadra...
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Final Tree Structure Posted!
FYI: the database at yahoogroups is the 'official' source for tree info:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database mainly because it is easiest
to maintain.
I will update the static table once in a while if necessary (and I've
changed the info page to indicate this).
And an important reminder: please keep communications of a one-on-one
nature off the list. If we develop an unresponsive branch, then contact me.
I can graft it elsewhere on the tree, and it won't be a problem. However,
if you have sent something to someone for trade and then they don't respond,
I'm sorry to insist that is between the two of you, not the rest of the
list. I will still be happy to help by grafting you into another
branchline, but please never discuss personal details of your trades on
list, or use the list to vilify or complain about a trade.
Of course, nothing wrong with 'I got my disks and wet myself today!' or
whatever. But I think you know what I mean.
Thanks,
Joe
np: shpongle: Divine Moments of Truth (anyone ever notice how parts of this
sound like a Jean-Michel Jarre song from Zoolook?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Sawyer
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2/9/02 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Final Tree Structure Posted!
From: 'Adele Outland'
> I'm sorry. I'm pretty stupid when it comes to computers. I've
> tried that web site, but I don't see where I am in the scheme
> of things. Can somebody just tell me who my branch is?
> I'm five days and 150 emails behind. Thanks.
If you go to the static tree list at
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treestructure/alphaname.htm you'll see your
name
right at the top of the list. Your branch is Robert Grabowsky. Scan
through
the page to find is email.
Maff
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:51
pm
Subject: Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
Found this in the '100+ Q&A' section on the TDI website while browsing...
64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years has
the band taped for themselves? It may sound unbelievable but - there are
tapes from each single concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked
safely away at TD lawyer's office in London. Edgar must have known very
early, that one day ...!
Wonder what percentage of those tapes are even playable anymore ??
What a _________ .
(fill the blank with the words.....waste, shame, pity, chance, goldmine,
ETC...)
ATYE
(patiently waiting....)
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] tree
> Yes, you would try on monday, when your branch-supplier will
> back to his
> office.
> Regards
> JerzyK
Well, I'll do so. Thanks. I'm really looking forward to listening to the
music...
cheers
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
I would say I am not surprised but what quality are these? Are they taken
off the main board, outside mikes, a box near Edgar foot or what? There are
a lot of different ways to record a live show. Like do you want to hear the
audience or not. What about only solos to review later on etc. I have been
recording local bands for many years now, both live and studio. Depends on
what you are after. I almost bet some of the tapes are ruin now or they are
of little or no value due to what they contain. He might be holding them
there for copywrite purposes in case someone does come up with something
from the past. This would be the proof that it was recorded from such and
such concert.
I feel your pain with not hearing all TD has produced, done, and played. I
just don't want to get overly obsessed with this myself. I like the
influence but I have to realize that I must grow and do my own thing too. At
least that is for me. Each has their own way as well.
Maybe they all are the greatest thing known and Edgar is waiting for the
right time to release. I just wished that my life was so that I was able to
be there for each show and my memory was as keen as a CD. Not real life for
me however.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:51 AM
Subject: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
> Found this in the '100+ Q&A' section on the TDI website while browsing...
>
> 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years
has
> the band taped for themselves? It may sound unbelievable but - there are
> tapes from each single concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now
locked
> safely away at TD lawyer's office in London. Edgar must have known very
> early, that one day ...!
>
>
> Wonder what percentage of those tapes are even playable anymore ??
>
> What a _________ .
> (fill the blank with the words.....waste, shame, pity, chance, goldmine,
> ETC...)
>
> ATYE
> (patiently waiting....)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
I really don't see much point in keeping great music locked away in some
vault when there are so many people who are perfectly willing to pay to own
a copy!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:51 AM
Subject: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
> Found this in the '100+ Q&A' section on the TDI website while browsing...
>
> 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years
has
> the band taped for themselves? It may sound unbelievable but - there are
> tapes from each single concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now
locked
> safely away at TD lawyer's office in London. Edgar must have known very
> early, that one day ...!
>
>
> Wonder what percentage of those tapes are even playable anymore ??
>
> What a _________ .
> (fill the blank with the words.....waste, shame, pity, chance, goldmine,
> ETC...)
>
> ATYE
> (patiently waiting....)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
>
>
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:29
pm
Subject: Re: Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
I don't think that they'll be multitrack tapes (at least not all of
em) as the cost of recording 2-3 hours per show onto multitrack tape
would be incredibly expensive.
In fact I don't think even Encore was multitrack, the live radio
braodcasts are practically the same. I'd say these were direct to 2
track..
Interesting thoughts though..
Peace
Orangefunk
--- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote:
> I really don't see much point in keeping great music locked away in
some
> vault when there are so many people who are perfectly willing to
pay to own
> a copy!
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:51 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
>
>
> > Found this in the '100+ Q&A' section on the TDI website while
browsing...
> >
> > 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last
25 years
> has
> > the band taped for themselves? It may sound unbelievable but -
there are
> > tapes from each single concert they've ever played from 1971 up
to now
> locked
> > safely away at TD lawyer's office in London. Edgar must have
known very
> > early, that one day ...!
> >
> >
> > Wonder what percentage of those tapes are even playable anymore ??
> >
> > What a _________ .
> > (fill the blank with the words.....waste, shame, pity, chance,
goldmine,
> > ETC...)
> >
> > ATYE
> > (patiently waiting....)
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
The great what if ..
What if it was just bad recording used only for copywrite purposes? Are you
saying that anything released, when the artiest believe it was not done
well, should be fine? I can't tell you how many recording I have done live
for bands, that the gig was fine, well reviewed, but the audio recorded was
bad as well as showed way too many mistakes that the artiest themselves only
knew. These have not seen the light of day at all.
I am betting a lot of this is the case with the tapes stored away.
I remember reading about Boston's tapes. They waited till their contract ran
out as they had a problem with the label. (Which also means how many labels
might Edgar have contracts with on these tapes.) When they returned many
years later the tapes where sticky. They almost did not get anything of
value off them.
I would like this to be something TD is going to do soon. I just wonder how
good or what quality they are. I know how we ripped on many of the albums
here on the group already. Thick skin is what I would need if I was going to
release these.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chris Owen'
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
> I really don't see much point in keeping great music locked away in some
> vault when there are so many people who are perfectly willing to pay to
own
> a copy!
>
> - Chris
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:38
pm
Subject: Re: Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
Saying that other bands like the Grateful Dead have released tapes
older than 71. I believe they used special techniques in software
and ovens (they use special ovens to get rid of the oxide residue)
But yes I'd imagine the tapes would be nothing more than simple 2
trak affairs recorded with a mic, I used to do this myself on every
jazz gig I did.
--- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote:
> The great what if ..
> What if it was just bad recording used only for copywrite purposes?
Are you
> saying that anything released, when the artiest believe it was not
done
> well, should be fine? I can't tell you how many recording I have
done live
> for bands, that the gig was fine, well reviewed, but the audio
recorded was
> bad as well as showed way too many mistakes that the artiest
themselves only
> knew. These have not seen the light of day at all.
> I am betting a lot of this is the case with the tapes stored away.
> I remember reading about Boston's tapes. They waited till their
contract ran
> out as they had a problem with the label. (Which also means how
many labels
> might Edgar have contracts with on these tapes.) When they returned
many
> years later the tapes where sticky. They almost did not get
anything of
> value off them.
> I would like this to be something TD is going to do soon. I just
wonder how
> good or what quality they are. I know how we ripped on many of the
albums
> here on the group already. Thick skin is what I would need if I was
going to
> release these.
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Chris Owen'
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
>
>
> > I really don't see much point in keeping great music locked away
in some
> > vault when there are so many people who are perfectly willing to
pay to
> own
> > a copy!
> >
> > - Chris
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Found this on the TDI website...... ;-)
Another thought.
How many of these do you thing would be bought? 1k, 10k, 100k? or more? The
cost to take those tapes out, remaster them (this would be opening the door
on tangitation again), produce them, publish them and distribute them would
be costly. What return?
Sure I buy them, like I do now. I do not have every CD, Record, tape done
myself but I do gather here and there. The if they are not high quality, who
will buy them?
Right now they are curiosities only. It would be cool if they made them into
streaming audio to be played over the web. But what return again?
2 track is what I bet they mostly are too.
dale
From:
atye@a...
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 9:08
pm
Subject: more about 100+ Q&A on TDI website....
Tangerine Dream 100+ Questions
& Answers
For anyone who has NOT read the 100+ Q&A section of the TDI website (like me
until today), I would STRONGLY reccomend it. It is very full of keen insights
into some live shows, early history, personnel changes, bootleg tolerance
policy, how they improvised live, and even insight into TD (Edgar)
stubborness to even THINK about anything that happened in the 70's. But
overall, a good source of inside info on all things TD.
Some highlights.....
100. Does the band like to listen to the older music they've recorded years
ago? As soon as a record gets finished, they have to hear it a few more times
because of the test masterings, but once released on CD and available to the
public no one will ever listen to it again - that's sort of a rule which goes
back to the old days of TD. So one can imagine, that it wasn't pure enjoyment
for Edgar to do all the re-mixes and re-recordings through the last two years
for various box sets. Why they do it that way? They say that the composing
and recording procedure is often comparable to the very painful birth of a
baby who doesn't want to leave its mother's womb. Maybe they don't want to
recall some of those moments by listening to the compositions again and
again.
67. Will the band ever release previously unreleased material - live and
studio work - from the Froese, Franke and Baumann period? As explained
earlier, there are lots of tapes from that period in the safe, so it depends
on what the three members can agree to. Their businesses and musical careers
have drifted apart within the last couple of years, so that we don't even
know, if there is still an existing solidarity between them as far as such
projects are concerned.
Take a few minutes and read the info.....I don't intend for this e-mail to
sound negative towards the band at all, just as an insight into the band's
(Edgar's) way of thinking about life, music, and other stuff...including
UFO's !!
Enjoy,
ATYE
:-)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Cover art update
Ok, just seen the artwork for the tree.
Wonderful! Wonderful! Wonderful!
Jon.
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 9:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Cover art update
All the art work both redbook and shn are great.
I am just waiting for the actual disk to make it to my distance.
Who ever has the shn's, can you place them in such a manner to ftp? I have
access to t1 and dsl most of the time to download so this is not a problem
for me.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Cover art update
> Ok, just seen the artwork for the tree.
>
> Wonderful! Wonderful! Wonderful!
>
> Jon.
>
>
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From:
'H.'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:58
pm
Subject: Invisible Melodies
I got hold of a recording called 'Invisible Melodies'.
Can someone tell me something about this recording?
(eg. year of recording /release )
Herbert
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
sounds cool
are they invisible?
dale :)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'H.'
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
> I got hold of a recording called 'Invisible Melodies'.
>
> Can someone tell me something about this recording?
> (eg. year of recording /release )
>
>
> Herbert
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:37
pm
Subject: Re: Invisible Melodies
i think they're technically called 'blank media' :-)
--- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote:
> sounds cool
> are they invisible?
>
> dale :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'H.'
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:58 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
>
>
> > I got hold of a recording called 'Invisible Melodies'.
> >
> > Can someone tell me something about this recording?
> > (eg. year of recording /release )
> >
> >
> > Herbert
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Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:45
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: Invisible Melodies
hey guys. get more serious.
my question was about 'invisible melodies' not 'unhearable melodies' :)))
Herbert
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Betreff: [tadream] Re: Invisible Melodies
i think they're technically called 'blank media' :-)
--- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote:
> sounds cool
> are they invisible?
>
> dale :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'H.'
> To:
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> Subject: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
>
>
> > I got hold of a recording called 'Invisible Melodies'.
> >
> > Can someone tell me something about this recording?
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Invisible Melodies
From: 'H.'
> hey guys. get more serious.
> my question was about 'invisible melodies' not 'unhearable melodies' :)))
Give us a clue. Is it a concert recording? Individual track?
Maff
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:12
am
Subject: Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)?
E Neal Frost said:
>Hello All,
>
>I am very glad to see the latest installment of Dreamwatchers Tales is to be
>released soon, (hopefully there will be more and more......). But does
>anyone have any info on the Okee Swamp CD from the 2001 gathering? I thought
>I had heard that there was enough music for a 2 CD release.
>
>I am not trying to be a pain, but the music of Marcel and Dave from the 2000
>gathering rarely leaves my CD player and I am hungerin' for some new music.
Then Marcel said:
>Hi Neal,
>
>The master CD was at Eric's (from Alfa Centauri fame) place
>and in the midst of mastering his equipment broke down.
>Now a new master went to Dave Law from SMD and he's doing the
>final bits. It should be out very soon now.
>Though it's going to be a single CD.
Ouch!
There's 4 CDs worth of material (although some is noodling, etc. and Dave,
Bill, and Marcel took a shot at a track on Friday night that was played
again on Saturday, but much more 'filled out' and cooler). Hopefully we'll
see a 2-3 disc release including Dave Brewer's 1986 TD Piano Solo.
Licensing through Harry Fox Agency for this track would be about $85 for
1,000 copies (And yes it's available for licensing as a 'cover' tune, I
looked it up). I just released and did the artwork for a 14 track music CD
for a friend and learned a LOT about licensing.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:29
am
Subject: CD Production worth it at low numbers?
>Admin for Kaynet asked:
>How many of these do you thing would be bought? 1k, 10k, 100k? or more? The
>cost to take those tapes out, remaster them (this would be opening the door
>on tangitation again), produce them, publish them and distribute them would
>be costly. What return?
I've digitally remastered from an original cassette tape a 60 minute piano
concert that needed a LOT of work in an afternoon. Had to fix volume,
remove tape hiss and other problems.
Did a test pressing and played it on the stereo, decided to do a little
more EQ work and remove pops and clicks in a few places and had it done
that night.
As for duplication costs, I just did the artwork and production for a jazz
singer's CD. I did a full color tray card, 3 page color (outside)/b&w
(inside) booklet, color printing on the CD, etc. with a 1,000 copy run. The
discs were delivered mid-January and she's about to order the next 1,000
copies. Anyway, I've learned a bit about music rights and duplication
costs. :) :)
Production on 1,000 CDs including 2 page foldout booklet artwork and tray
card, CD duplication off a glass master, all materials delivered
individually shrink-wrapped WITH bar code etc. is all $2,000. That's 2
bucks a disc!
I was blown away with the print quality, materials used, discs, etc. I'm
not mentioning the firm so as not to be seen as an advertisement.
The bottom line is, a 2 disc concert CD could be produced start-to-finish
in a week including artwork and be put out for $3k, making $13 profit per 2
disc set that's sold. So even at quantity of 1,000, you are making a lot of
money.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:32
am
Subject: 'Invisible Melodies'?
>I got hold of a recording called 'Invisible Melodies'.
>
>Can someone tell me something about this recording?
>(eg. year of recording /release )
>
>Herbert
Someone just sent this to me too.
Sounds like a 1975-1977 bootleg compilation. My memory is not so good for
that era (remembering individual shows would be madness!) but I know I have
heard some of the shows excerpted here.
Is it worth it for me to try to track down what some/all of these eight
tracks are?
-Morgan
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Invisible Melodies
ahh..
I get a few with every 50 cd spindle I buy. That is what those are for!
I must have a dozen or so now.
dale :)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'orangefunk_2000'
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Invisible Melodies
> i think they're technically called 'blank media' :-)
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote:
> > sounds cool
> > are they invisible?
> >
> > dale :)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'H.'
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:58 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
> >
> >
> > > I got hold of a recording called 'Invisible Melodies'.
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me something about this recording?
> > > (eg. year of recording /release )
> > >
> > >
> > > Herbert
> > >
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Production worth it at low numbers?
don't forget the middle folks, distributors, so that profit just sunk a bit
e-mail off list name as that is a good cost
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: [tadream] CD Production worth it at low numbers?
>
> >Admin for Kaynet asked:
> >How many of these do you thing would be bought? 1k, 10k, 100k? or more?
The
> >cost to take those tapes out, remaster them (this would be opening the
door
> >on tangitation again), produce them, publish them and distribute them
would
> >be costly. What return?
>
> I've digitally remastered from an original cassette tape a 60 minute piano
> concert that needed a LOT of work in an afternoon. Had to fix volume,
> remove tape hiss and other problems.
>
> Did a test pressing and played it on the stereo, decided to do a little
> more EQ work and remove pops and clicks in a few places and had it done
> that night.
>
> As for duplication costs, I just did the artwork and production for a jazz
> singer's CD. I did a full color tray card, 3 page color (outside)/b&w
> (inside) booklet, color printing on the CD, etc. with a 1,000 copy run.
The
> discs were delivered mid-January and she's about to order the next 1,000
> copies. Anyway, I've learned a bit about music rights and duplication
> costs. :) :)
>
> Production on 1,000 CDs including 2 page foldout booklet artwork and tray
> card, CD duplication off a glass master, all materials delivered
> individually shrink-wrapped WITH bar code etc. is all $2,000. That's 2
> bucks a disc!
>
> I was blown away with the print quality, materials used, discs, etc. I'm
> not mentioning the firm so as not to be seen as an advertisement.
>
> The bottom line is, a 2 disc concert CD could be produced start-to-finish
> in a week including artwork and be put out for $3k, making $13 profit per
2
> disc set that's sold. So even at quantity of 1,000, you are making a lot
of
> money.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
> Just a little question: what about circular labels for the CDs? Is anybody
> going to create them?
Consider them done. You can now get labels for all ten discs on the site.
www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree
Maff
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
What is this Maff? Do you have elves working for you? Do you pay them scale?
Sheesh! You are a tough act to follow.... Again, killer job.!.! -- Mark
(picture discs no less... my, oh my.)
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
>
> From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
>
> > Just a little question: what about circular labels for the CDs? Is anybody
> > going to create them?
>
> Consider them done. You can now get labels for all ten discs on the site.
>
> www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree
>
> Maff
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> What is this Maff? Do you have elves working for you? Do you pay them
scale?
Shhhh! Don't mention payment. I'll have a revolt on my hands!
> Sheesh! You are a tough act to follow.... Again, killer
> job.!.! -- Mark (picture discs no less... my, oh my.)
Cheers Mark. Much appreciated.
Maff
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:03
am
Subject: Give us your tired, your unwanted discs! -- Torches held aloft, optional.
Ahem! I feel this compelling need to share.
Heiko, Maff, Gustavo (if you aren't too busy partying down there), and Marko.
Send me your postal addresses off list. I have some unwanted discs from my
trade list I want to send to you. 3N, Jabberwock, Danish Dynamite, TENTBUCKUM
(who are these people?), and Federico. You too. Send me your postals.
Ciao -- Mark (full of beans and blown away)
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:28
am
Subject: [tree] First impressions
Is it too soon to start discussing how the tree bootlegs actually sound? I
got my hands on them today, and at the risk of serverly annoying those who
haven't here's a few words on the CD's I've played so far.
Croydon 75 (volume 7)
Quite simply the best version of this concert I've heard to date. Both my
original copies were far too distorted to listen to comfortably, with the
heavy sequencer drone masking all the lead instruments as is the case with a
lot of poor audience recordings. All the subtle details of the music are
lost and it becomes a chore to sit through. The tree version is *so* much
clearer. For those who didn't know already, large parts of Ricochet were
drawn from this concert and it's wonderful to finally hear them as they were
performed. Oh, and TD performed them right around the corner from my house
;-).
Washington 77 (Volume 4)
Monolight wasn't the only track from this concert that deserved to go on
Encore. 'Drywater Rush' and the newly titled 'Rain in Spain' have always
been personal favorites for me. There was an annoying left channel buzz on
my old copy which is now gone on the new tree version. All the tracks are
very clear and well presented. The radio announcer fumbling for things to
say always cracks me up. ;-)
Bernau 2001 (Volume 3)
Excellent quality, even though the music itself isn't the style of TD I
normally prefer. I'm hoping this one will grow on me over time.
Berlin 1976 (Volume 8)
I've had multiple copies of this for a while and the tree version beats them
all. A lot of the hiss seems to have been removed. I've always found the
real concert so much better than the offical Soundmill Navigator release,
even if it didn't have that damn mastering flaw.
Heiko, 3N, Jabberwock, Danish Dynamite, TENTBUCKUM and Federico, well done
lads. Fantastic work! I can't wait for the next set!
Maff
NP: Drywater Rush.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:09
am
Subject: [tree] FYI: still taking participants
FYI, I'm still adding people to the tree as they filter in. It's still not
too late if there are any last-minute types out there. You can let me know
off-list.
joe shoults
director of education
mailto:joes@f...
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(216) 615-4923 tel
cleveland, ohio 44115
(216) 861-3762 fax
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)?
Morgan Said:
>There's 4 CDs worth of material (although some is noodling, etc. and Dave,
>Bill, and Marcel took a shot at a track on Friday night that was played
>again on Saturday, but much more 'filled out' and cooler). Hopefully we'll
>see a 2-3 disc release including Dave Brewer's 1986 TD Piano Solo.
>Licensing through Harry Fox Agency for this track would be about $85 for
>1,000 copies (And yes it's available for licensing as a 'cover' tune, I
>looked it up). I just released and did the artwork for a 14 track music CD
>for a friend and learned a LOT about licensing.
>
Actually, a lot of it is noodling. We were just goofing around, not doing
much of anything. I really wish you didn't bring up the piano medley,
Morgan. I was out of practice, and was just
plain off my game. It is the part of the trip I'd rather forget. I did
appreciate everyone's kind words, in spite of the bombed performance. If
there's another disc released from 2001, I can assure you that the piano
piece will never be on there. I would never want to inflict it on any more
ears. Besides, Edgar would probably sue me for the destruction of TD's
music! :-)
Regards,
Dave B. (...must...practice...more...)
From:
'horrod6'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:09
am
Subject: Fauni-Gena (was 'Using TD track names')
I've always assumed, with my half-baked classical background, that Fauni is
something to do with animal life (as in 'Flora and Fauna') and Gena was to
do with birth (same root as genesis). This would make the meaning something
related to 'The origin of the species'.
This ties in with the way the track itself strikes me - a kind of primitive,
hot-house, swampy, jungle-like feeling: it matches the way I imagine the
period when animal life was initially evolving to have been. (That's an
awful piece of English, but I hope you can see what I mean.)
I guess you pays your money and you takes your choice.
LnH
Marion
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:59
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
faun-, fauni-, fauna-, -fauna (Latin: animal; a collective name for the
animals of a certain region or time).
and I believe gena is a refererence to genus
Therefore, we have a song related to genus of the animal kingdom; it's your
own interpretation of which animal you would like to choose for your area of
listening pleasure. Birds come into mind for me with this one.
All IMO of course. 8-) Dell
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: 'Hulshoff, Bert'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:38:58 +0100
>
>faun, faunie and gena are female names, so maybe one of the TD-members
>had something with a girl with that name ???? ;-)
>
>Bert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Olav Neander [mailto:oneander@o...]
>Sent: donderdag 7 februari 2002 9:01
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
>
>
>
>
>John Vertical wrote:
>
> >Well, there's only one place on the Internet which has the words 2fauni
>
> >gena' but no TD connection:
> >www.zodiakoverun.purespace.de/Mathildenh%F6he.htm
> >It appears to be some park. But if it's not in Berlin, where then? My
>Deutch
> >is not too good.
> >
> >Could someone help?
> >
>
>Yes, it's not in Berlin, but it's inside an Adventure Game... :-)
>
>
>Olav
>
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>
>
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:06
am
Subject: CD Production
Ditto what Dale said...
Doesn't the record company (i.e. you) only get about 40% of list for that
product? And I'm not so certain about the mastering taking a week. Probably
would best-case scenario, but it also depends on where/how you 'master.' If
you're throwing it into Sound Forge or Wavelab or whatever, that's one thing.
On the other end of the spectrum... someone like Bob Ludwig is going to run
you about $4,000 - $5,000.
Could you e-mail me the name of that duplicator privately too, please?
In a message dated 2/10/2002 8:04:55 PM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:11:14 -0800
> From: 'Admin'
> Subject: Re: CD Production worth it at low numbers?
>
> don't forget the middle folks, distributors, so that profit just sunk a bit
> e-mail off list name as that is a good cost
>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] First impressions
WOW! This is sure going to be some project. What with the stunning artwork
from Gustavo, Maff and Marko and the efforts of Heiko and Joe, we're all
going to be in seventh heaven and this is just the beginning. Thanks a
million fellas.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] [tree] First impressions
> Is it too soon to start discussing how the tree bootlegs actually sound? I
> got my hands on them today, and at the risk of serverly annoying those who
> haven't here's a few words on the CD's I've played so far.
>
>
>
> Croydon 75 (volume 7)
>
> Quite simply the best version of this concert I've heard to date. Both my
> original copies were far too distorted to listen to comfortably, with the
> heavy sequencer drone masking all the lead instruments as is the case with
a
> lot of poor audience recordings. All the subtle details of the music are
> lost and it becomes a chore to sit through. The tree version is *so* much
> clearer. For those who didn't know already, large parts of Ricochet were
> drawn from this concert and it's wonderful to finally hear them as they
were
> performed. Oh, and TD performed them right around the corner from my house
> ;-).
>
>
> Washington 77 (Volume 4)
>
> Monolight wasn't the only track from this concert that deserved to go on
> Encore. 'Drywater Rush' and the newly titled 'Rain in Spain' have always
> been personal favorites for me. There was an annoying left channel buzz on
> my old copy which is now gone on the new tree version. All the tracks are
> very clear and well presented. The radio announcer fumbling for things to
> say always cracks me up. ;-)
>
>
> Bernau 2001 (Volume 3)
>
> Excellent quality, even though the music itself isn't the style of TD I
> normally prefer. I'm hoping this one will grow on me over time.
>
>
> Berlin 1976 (Volume 8)
>
> I've had multiple copies of this for a while and the tree version beats
them
> all. A lot of the hiss seems to have been removed. I've always found the
> real concert so much better than the offical Soundmill Navigator release,
> even if it didn't have that damn mastering flaw.
>
>
> Heiko, 3N, Jabberwock, Danish Dynamite, TENTBUCKUM and Federico, well done
> lads. Fantastic work! I can't wait for the next set!
>
>
> Maff
>
> NP: Drywater Rush.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:17
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
In a message dated 2/10/02 10:03:43 PM, horrod6@n... writes:
>This ties in with the way the track itself strikes me - a kind of primitive,
>hot-house, swampy, jungle-like feeling: it matches the way I imagine the
>period when animal life was initially evolving to have been.
To me, this track always evokes some kind of jungle on another planet, where
the human explorers (represented by the Mellotron flute) have just landed and
are wandering around. The pulsing bass sound at the end is when they return
to their ship.
It's probably because of all the Andre Norton space novels I've read.
--Daniel
NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order
From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
I think everyone has sort of ignored the original question here.
I have a copy of this recording from Herbert as well, but my musical ear is
not trained well enough to absolutely identify the tracks.
The name of the tracks (and I suppose the boot as well) is 'Invisible
Melodies'. There are 9 tracks in all, but it's really 4 tracks cut (for who
knows what reason) into 9 pieces. The quality is above average. The tracks
are live and range from 6 minutes to about 32 minutes in length.
We are just wondering if anyone has cover artwork or a real tracklisting for
this music, or any info at all.
Thanks everyone,
ATYE
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
In a message dated 2/10/2002 11:33:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
quarlie@a... writes:
> In a message dated 2/10/02 10:03:43 PM, horrod6@n... writes:
>
> >This ties in with the way the track itself strikes me - a kind of
> primitive,
> >hot-house, swampy, jungle-like feeling: it matches the way I imagine the
> >period when animal life was initially evolving to have been.
>
>
I have a VERY similar image in my head during the last track of the Poland CD
(Horizon, I think).
It sounds like a primordial puddle at the beginning....small stirrings of
life.....slowly building up and evolving, moving onto land, becoming
dinosaurs and such......only at the climactic end to be struck down by the
asteroid(s) that ended their reign on earth...
That, or maybe just I've been reading too much sci-fi myself....haha
;-)
ATYE
np : Invisible Melodies (TD)
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
In a message dated 2/10/2002 11:33:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
quarlie@a... writes:
> In a message dated 2/10/02 10:03:43 PM, horrod6@n... writes:
>
> >This ties in with the way the track itself strikes me - a kind of
> primitive,
> >hot-house, swampy, jungle-like feeling: it matches the way I imagine the
> >period when animal life was initially evolving to have been.
>
>
I have a VERY similar image in my head during the last track of the Poland CD
(Horizon, I think).
It sounds like a primordial puddle at the beginning....small stirrings of
life.....slowly building up and evolving, moving onto land, becoming
dinosaurs and such......only at the climactic end to be struck down by the
asteroid(s) that ended their reign on earth...
That, or maybe just I've been reading too much sci-fi myself....haha
;-)
ATYE
np : Invisible Melodies (TD)
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From:
'horrod6'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:04
am
Subject: Re: Invisible melodies
Some 'Invisible' record companies:
Invisible Mass Records (www.invisiblemass.com) or
invisible records (www.invisiblerecords.com) or
Invisible Music (www.invisiblemusicrecords.com)
Some 'Invisible' bands:
Invisible Them www.newhavenadvocate.com/gbs97/abstract.html
The Invisible Opera Company of Tibet
www.sonnet.co.uk/gong-gas/tribal/ioct.htm
The invisible band www.invisibleband.com/
New Invisible Joy www.allindie.com/bands/nij/index.html
Invisible limits www.invisible-limits.de
Invisible Green http://www.invisiblegreen.com/
The remainder, as they say in the maths books, is left as an exercise for
the student. I had fun playing with a few search engines I wouldn't normally
use, and finding loads of obscure indie music sites, but I don't know how
much help I have been!
LnH
Marion
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atye@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Invisible melodies
Marion,
Thanks for the effort anyway.....
If you REALLY like search engines that much......there's a new online geek
sport called 'Googlewhacking'.....give it a whirl.
:-)
ATYE
np : TD - 1976 Bilbao Spain (not the Tree version......YET)
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From:
'matthewsawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:07
am
Subject: Re: Invisible melodies
(Apologies if this comes through twice)
From:
> I have a copy of this recording from Herbert as well, but my
musical ear
is
> not trained well enough to absolutely identify the tracks.
OK, tracks 1-4 I'm not 100% sure but they're probably 09/02/76 Jansen
University Brussels, Belgium. I'll have to dig out my copy to check.
Tracks 5-8 are 27/06/76 Berlin Philharmonics. This is the original
concert recording of the Soundmill Navigator CD.
Track 9 is the encore of 26/11/76 L'Ancienne Belgique, Brussels.
All these tracks were on the bootlegs Danger Live and Danger Live 2.
Looks like someone has combined the best tracks from those two
bootlegs into one new CD.
> We are just wondering if anyone has cover artwork or a real
tracklisting
for
> this music, or any info at all.
I have a CD containing just about every TD bootleg cover on it.
Invisible Melodies ain't on it, so presumably it's either very rare
or very new. Of course, if you need some artwork done for it... ;-)
Maff
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Invisible Melodies
From:
> I have a copy of this recording from Herbert as well, but my musical ear
is
> not trained well enough to absolutely identify the tracks.
OK, tracks 1-4 I'm not 100% sure but they're probably 09/02/76 Jansen
University Brussels, Belgium. I'll have to dig out my copy to check.
Tracks 5-8 are 27/06/76 Berlin Philharmonics. This is the original concert
recording of the Soundmill Navigator CD.
Track 9 is the encore of 26/11/76 L'Ancienne Belgique, Brussels.
All these tracks were on the bootlegs Danger Live and Danger Live 2. Looks
like someone has combined the best tracks from those two bootlegs into one
new CD.
> We are just wondering if anyone has cover artwork or a real tracklisting
for
> this music, or any info at all.
I have a CD containing just about every TD bootleg cover on it. Invisible
Melodies ain't on it, so presumably it's either very rare or very new. Of
course, if you need some artwork done for it... ;-)
Maff
From:
'albenson'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:18
am
Subject: D: Boot [Danger Live] (was: Re: Invisible melodies)
Hi Gang!
This just a quick follow-up to Maff's answer to
Atye...
Atye wrote:
>> I have a copy of this recording from Herbert as well, but my
>> musical ear is not trained well enough to absolutely identify
>> the tracks.
Maff responded:
> OK, tracks 1-4 I'm not 100% sure but they're probably
> 09/02/76 Jansen University Brussels, Belgium. I'll have
> to dig out my copy to check. Tracks 5-8 are 27/06/76
> Berlin Philharmonics. This is the original concert
> recording of the Soundmill Navigator CD. Track 9
> is the encore of 26/11/76 L'Ancienne Belgique,
> Brussels.
>
> All these tracks were on the bootlegs Danger Live and
> Danger Live 2. Looks like someone has combined the
> best tracks from those two bootlegs into one new CD.
That's correct. The boot 'Danger Live' is well known.
The boot 'Danger Live 2' was more of a limited fan re-
lease produced by TD fans for fans and had limited cir-
culation (very much like out tadream tree now).
Fortunately, I have all almost of them and you can find
a link on my TD homepage which describes in brief this
material from 'Danger Live pt. 2.' I put it there as when
I got on the Internet soon realized that not much was know
about these TD fan releases.
The main link is:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/analogue.html
This is my: 'TD *Analogue* Tape
Special Generation Addendum
TD ~live~ in Concert!!!' section.
The sub-link (direct) is:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/analogue.html#..Addendum
This is my 'Addendum A: (Special CDRs)'
(where I talk about the Waveform CDs).
Atye continued:
>> We are just wondering if anyone has cover artwork
>> or a real tracklisting for this music, or any info at all.
The track info for 'Danger Live':
TD ~Live~ in Brussels (Belgium) 1976
1. DL Part I (39:32)
2. DL Part II (21:07)
3. DL Part III (10:07)
This concert took place at the Jansen University
Auditorium on 02.09.76 (tracks 1-2), and then
again in Brussels as the L' Ancienne Belgigue on
11.16.76 (track 3). Note: the original composition
#3 (11.16.76) is just over thirteen minutes long... ;-)
The track info for 'Danger Live pt. 2':
1. Brussels (02.09.76) Tracks 1-3 (20:44)
2. Brussels (02.09.76) Tracks 4-6 (15:48)
3. Berlin (06.27.76) Tracks 5-11 (32:14)
Of course, the Brussels concert above is as already
mentioned (another concert took place in Brussels
on 11.16.76), and the famous recording at the Berlin
Philharmonic on June 27, 1976. Time to get your-
selves ready as you're about to hear it on disc #8
of the REDBOOK and disc #6 of the SHN. BTW:
'DL pt. 2' had no real artwork to speak of, just the
basics... :-(
> I have a CD containing just about every TD bootleg
> cover on it. Invisible Melodies ain't on it, so
> presumably it's either very rare or very new. Of
> course, if you need some artwork done for it... ;-)
> Maff
Maff -- you're clearly the expert here! As, written
early (sorry I forgot to include [Tadream]...[tree]
previously) you are_ALL_to be congratulated! ;-)
The CD cover artwork and labels is TeRRiFiC!
My Best Always,
-- Al (the TD' s pal)
Berkeley, CA / USA
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
PS: Maybe we should refrain a tad and posts these
kinds of messages (that deal with boots and all their
info directly) either in Tangerine-Dream, or in the
Goblin's Club newsgroups. As, I just wanted to
clarify the facts... :-) Also, I should mention that
I heard the original TD ~live~ concert tapes well
before I heard the boots... In most cases, I'll stick
with the TD analogue master tapes!
PPS: Steven Wright joke (to make the previous subject
header work): 'Got a blank tape... Played it on my
stereo system. My neighbor complained. So, I turned
it up full blast...' :^)
NP: You all know the bottom line...
Just about_anything_so long as it's
~TANGERINE DREAM~
[Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!]
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:59
am
Subject: The Piano Solo
>Dave Brewer said:
>I really wish you didn't bring up the piano medley,
>Morgan. I was out of practice, and was just
>plain off my game. It is the part of the trip I'd rather forget. I did
>appreciate everyone's kind words, in spite of the bombed performance. If
>there's another disc released from 2001, I can assure you that the piano
>piece will never be on there. I would never want to inflict it on any more
>ears. Besides, Edgar would probably sue me for the destruction of TD's
>music! :-)
I never expected you to put the live version. I know you were nervous, but
it still brought a tear or two to my eye. I'll never experience a 1986 TD
concert live, so this is as close as I can get. At the time, you were
talking about re-recording this piano solo in the studio and including it
on release. Everyone around me seemed to agree that a re-recording would be
a nice addition to put on there. I don't think anyone would complain, even
me, and you know how I bray at the slightest tangentization!
Please do re-record it and put it out on a future version.
As for this being mostly noodling, Saturday's 74 minutes alone are
incredible and I listen to them often. I really hope a 2-3 disc edition
comes out, not for completeness sake, but because I really think there are
2-3 discs worth of music that can stand on its own two feet.
-Morgan
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:50
am
Subject: Re: Best 1970s bootleg
With other bands, you tend to only need one bootleg per tour,
although Led Zep did have nightly variations making more recordings
worthwhile if you have the time.
To select one, or even a few TD 70's bootlegs is impossible as even
in my own relatively small collection, I have large a number of
excellent pieces of music that I couldn't possibly rank against
eachother. Particular favourites are Coventry Cathedral 75, Liverpool
Cathedral 75, Croydon 76, Royal Albert Hall 75, Festival D'Orange 75,
London Hammersmith 78 to name just a few.
Toby
> So what are your fav TD boots from this period?
>
> Peace
> orangefunk
From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:36
am
Subject: Art of listening
Not long ago I discovered that impression of the track
depends much of the way you listen to it. If you just
play it as a background for doing something else, you
can't reach the effect of concentrating on it. And
even when concentrated on a track, there are several
ways of listening: listen in general, trying to catch
mood of the whole piece, repeat every note in your
head or follow one theme (it's often a percussion
line)
The last method works fine especially on Melrose
(Rolling down..., Art Of Vision, Desert Train) and
also Tangram part II and At Darvin's Motel(from
Goblin's club). I still haven't tried it in many
others...
AoV
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From:
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Piano Solo
Quoten Morgan Feldon :
> As for this being mostly noodling, Saturday's 74 minutes alone are
> incredible and I listen to them often. I really hope a 2-3 disc edition
> comes out, not for completeness sake, but because I really think there are
> 2-3 discs worth of music that can stand on its own two feet.
It's all improvised.
I must say that some things turned out very good but there
are are also some things that are not that good.
First release will be a 1CD but we might put out an extra
disc later this year, if everything goes well.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
man, it's been ages since I updated my webpage :-)
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Production
----- Original Message -----
From:
> Doesn't the record company (i.e. you) only get about 40% of list for that
> product? And I'm not so certain about the mastering taking a week.
Probably
> would best-case scenario, but it also depends on where/how you 'master.'
The mastering of an album should take around 1 day. If you are making a
compilation with tracks coming from different sources, it will take longer
than with tracks coming from the same source. But even with tracks from
different sources, it should be not much longer than one working day. 8 - 10
hours maybe.
> On the other end of the spectrum... someone like Bob Ludwig is going to
run
> you about $4,000 - $5,000.
You're talking about one of the top mastering engineers of the world. Use a
local mastering company and the cost will be reasonable.
Glenn
From:
'horrod6'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)?
Dave, you guys may have just been noodling, but it sounded good to me!
And as for the piano solo, I thought you were going to send us a recording
you were happy with? Guess you just never got a 'round tuit'. (Like I didn't
get around to sending you that Japanese drumming I mentioned - I'll bring it
with me in April, I _promise_.*) I hope you'll be giving a repeat
performance this year?
LnH
*This applies to your African compilation too, Frank.
....and Marcel's Clockwork Orange OST.
.........and Bill's Kosmische Musik sleeve notes.
Guess I'd better get busy!
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From:
'horrod6'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:39
pm
Subject: Re: Art of listening
I quite agree with you. When I'm really 'getting into it', I tend to find
myself listening to the sequencers, which, I guess, is why I listen to the
70's stuff the most, and why I like FSP so much! But when it's on in the
background, it'll be more of a general impression, or the guitar / melody
when there is one (e.g. on 'Beach scene, which I'm listening to right now).
Isn't it great to have music that sounds different depending on how you
listen? Just reinforces what I've just been reading in 'Zen and the art of
motorcycle maintenance'. (I'm sure some of you other ageing hippies must
remember it!)
LnH
Marion
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)?
> From: horrod6 [mailto:horrod6@n...]
>
> *This applies to your African compilation too, Frank.
> ....and Marcel's Clockwork Orange OST.
> .........and Bill's Kosmische Musik sleeve notes.
> Guess I'd better get busy!
Ahhh yes, Clockwork orange. I had almost forgotten
about that! From the samples I heard I will really
like that.
Marcel
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Art of listening
horrod6 wrote:
>
-snip-
>
> Isn't it great to have music that sounds different depending on how you
> listen?
That's IT!! You're a genius! That's what the essence is... 'depending on how
you listen'. Wonderful description. Thanks Marion.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...]
> Consider them done. You can now get labels for all ten discs
> on the site.
> www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree
Thanks a lot for your work!
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Well, I agree that TDI should go right on ahead and sell them. But as for
passing along any profits to anyone else, even those who remastered them,
now we're in strange territory: It's already theirs! I don't see any
application of the Lockean Proviso here.
now the fact that they would go ahead and sell them anyway wouldn't be
unprecendented; Frank Zappa beat the bottleggers at their own game, so to
speak, when he took boots and sold them as official releases, or so I've
heard.
But the fact that this is all a friendly effort may make you think Edgar's a
jerk if he didn't give something back to the fans for having done all his
production work for him, but I'd have to disagree. He already paid us in
advance with his performance, didn't he?
JOe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 12:13 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
>
>
> Oops, I sent that before I finished.
> I meant to add that if that's the packaging and the sound is
> being cleaned up
> by fans, then TDI should take a long look at what's going on
> and rather than
> threatening to sue perhaps you could look at releasing them
> officially this
> way and give a cut to those who worked on the project sound /
> art whatever
> and of course TD benefits with the largest cut of the pie...
> Look, it's a
> labor of love by fans who are going to give their all. People
> are constantly
> screaming for classic TD sound here it is ready made. It
> would sell! TD can
> continue to make new music to please the fans that prefer the
> new stuff and
> the old fans are happy too.... It's a win / win situation.... maybe
> conservative small runs like a pressing of what? 100 CD's?
> 500 CD's ? I have
> no idea what sales are like, but let's say 100 CD's of each
> show... you're
> telling me these won't be eaten up? Everyone makes coin.
> Everyone's happy...
>
> I apologize if this has been addressed in one way or another
> already. I have
> been extremely busy and haven't been able to follow the
> threads very closely,
> just throwing out some thoughts.
>
> Poly
>
> Paul Ellis
> Binary recordings at - www.hypnos.com
> 'Into the Liquid unknown' out now.
>
> ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> ^~~
>
> 'A forest seen from the air is complex and interesting. A
> single tree is
> equally complex. One leaf, even one molecule is endlessly
> fascinating.
> That's how music should be.'
> Brian Eno
>
> ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> ^~~
>
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Cover art update
--- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote:
> All the art work both redbook and shn are great.
Thanx... ;-)
> I am just waiting for the actual disk to make it to my distance.
>
> Who ever has the shn's, can you place them in such a manner to ftp?
I have
> access to t1 and dsl most of the time to download so this is not a
problem
> for me.
Sorry, but I have neither the ftp server space nor the bandwidth to
do such an upload of about 3 Gigabyte. Maybe one of the sub-branches
can do.
BTW: The SHN discs will be shipped to the three level one
participants of the SHN tree tomorrow morning. Sorry about the delay,
but during weekend and today (carnival monday) the post offices had
been closed here in Cologne.
So please keep patient... ;-)
Regards
Michael
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Yes he did. Now if I could just get my hands on these disks to hear this.
Hey, I make you a deal, I will go back in lurk mode if you send me the
disks. I will be way to busy listening them to even look at the list.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
> Well, I agree that TDI should go right on ahead and sell them. But as
for
> passing along any profits to anyone else, even those who remastered them,
> now we're in strange territory: It's already theirs! I don't see any
> application of the Lockean Proviso here.
>
> now the fact that they would go ahead and sell them anyway wouldn't be
> unprecendented; Frank Zappa beat the bottleggers at their own game, so to
> speak, when he took boots and sold them as official releases, or so I've
> heard.
>
> But the fact that this is all a friendly effort may make you think Edgar's
a
> jerk if he didn't give something back to the fans for having done all his
> production work for him, but I'd have to disagree. He already paid us in
> advance with his performance, didn't he?
>
> JOe
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 12:13 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
> >
> >
> > Oops, I sent that before I finished.
> > I meant to add that if that's the packaging and the sound is
> > being cleaned up
> > by fans, then TDI should take a long look at what's going on
> > and rather than
> > threatening to sue perhaps you could look at releasing them
> > officially this
> > way and give a cut to those who worked on the project sound /
> > art whatever
> > and of course TD benefits with the largest cut of the pie...
> > Look, it's a
> > labor of love by fans who are going to give their all. People
> > are constantly
> > screaming for classic TD sound here it is ready made. It
> > would sell! TD can
> > continue to make new music to please the fans that prefer the
> > new stuff and
> > the old fans are happy too.... It's a win / win situation.... maybe
> > conservative small runs like a pressing of what? 100 CD's?
> > 500 CD's ? I have
> > no idea what sales are like, but let's say 100 CD's of each
> > show... you're
> > telling me these won't be eaten up? Everyone makes coin.
> > Everyone's happy...
> >
> > I apologize if this has been addressed in one way or another
> > already. I have
> > been extremely busy and haven't been able to follow the
> > threads very closely,
> > just throwing out some thoughts.
> >
> > Poly
> >
> > Paul Ellis
> > Binary recordings at - www.hypnos.com
> > 'Into the Liquid unknown' out now.
> >
> > ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> > ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> > ^~~
> >
> > 'A forest seen from the air is complex and interesting. A
> > single tree is
> > equally complex. One leaf, even one molecule is endlessly
> > fascinating.
> > That's how music should be.'
> > Brian Eno
> >
> > ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> > ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
> > ^~~
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
In a message dated 2/11/2002 4:53:37 PM Central Standard Time,
jshoults@f... writes:
> But the fact that this is all a friendly effort may make you think Edgar's a
> jerk if he didn't give something back to the fans for having done all his
> production work for him, but I'd have to disagree. He already paid us in
> advance with his performance, didn't he?
>
> JOe
>
>
*HUH? Where's you get that from? I never said Edgar's a jerk, I just thought
TDI
should examine the interest in this tree has caused and suggested how
everyone could benefit monetarily... (?)
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:25
pm
Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)
Alright Dave, so we can look forward to the 2002 release of 'Dave's TD Piano
solo'. Dave, you may consider the actual performance flawed, but the design
and integration was beautiful. One of my favorite piano pieces I've heard in
awhile.
....must...relax...more ....
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:06:19 -0700
From: 'Dave Brewer'
Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)?
Morgan Said:
>There's 4 CDs worth of material (although some is noodling, etc. and Dave,
>Bill, and Marcel took a shot at a track on Friday night that was played
>again on Saturday, but much more 'filled out' and cooler). Hopefully we'll
>see a 2-3 disc release including Dave Brewer's 1986 TD Piano Solo.
>Licensing through Harry Fox Agency for this track would be about $85 for
>1,000 copies (And yes it's available for licensing as a 'cover' tune, I
>looked it up). I just released and did the artwork for a 14 track music CD
>for a friend and learned a LOT about licensing.
>
Actually, a lot of it is noodling. We were just goofing around, not doing
much of anything. I really wish you didn't bring up the piano medley,
Morgan. I was out of practice, and was just
plain off my game. It is the part of the trip I'd rather forget. I did
appreciate everyone's kind words, in spite of the bombed performance. If
there's another disc released from 2001, I can assure you that the piano
piece will never be on there. I would never want to inflict it on any more
ears. Besides, Edgar would probably sue me for the destruction of TD's
music! :-)
Regards,
Dave B. (...must...practice...more...)
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
In a message dated 2/11/2002 4:53:37 PM Central Standard Time,
jshoults@f... writes:
> Well, I agree that TDI should go right on ahead and sell them. But as for
> passing along any profits to anyone else, even those who remastered them,
> now we're in strange territory: It's already theirs! I don't see any
> application of the Lockean Proviso here.
>
*I didn't get this one the first time.... Of course if TD pulls their own
tapes out of the vault, remasters them and does their own art... What I was
suggesting was here was this tree as a ready made package for them... IF THEY
USE artwork or remastering done here it would only be fair that the person
concerned got compensated somehow.
I stated clearly that TD would obviously get the largest cut, this is
obvious, but how would it be unfair if they used art generated here to give
the artist a small cut?
That's all I was suggesting.
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:44
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
oh no no, I didn't mean that at all. Sorry. when I said 'you' I didn't mean
'you'; I meant 'people'. or more specifically, the people who would think
that he owes something to them...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:18 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
>
>
> In a message dated 2/11/2002 4:53:37 PM Central Standard Time,
> jshoults@f... writes:
>
>
> > But the fact that this is all a friendly effort may make
> you think Edgar's a
> > jerk if he didn't give something back to the fans for
> having done all his
> > production work for him, but I'd have to disagree. He
> already paid us in
> > advance with his performance, didn't he?
> >
> > JOe
> >
> >
>
> *HUH? Where's you get that from? I never said Edgar's a jerk,
> I just thought
> TDI
> should examine the interest in this tree has caused and suggested how
> everyone could benefit monetarily... (?)
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
original art would be something there, yes, then they would have to consider
copyright there, I think./..
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:25 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
>
>
> In a message dated 2/11/2002 4:53:37 PM Central Standard Time,
> jshoults@f... writes:
>
>
> > Well, I agree that TDI should go right on ahead and sell
> them. But as for
> > passing along any profits to anyone else, even those who
> remastered them,
> > now we're in strange territory: It's already theirs! I
> don't see any
> > application of the Lockean Proviso here.
> >
>
> *I didn't get this one the first time.... Of course if TD
> pulls their own
> tapes out of the vault, remasters them and does their own
> art... What I was
> suggesting was here was this tree as a ready made package for
> them... IF THEY
> USE artwork or remastering done here it would only be fair
> that the person
> concerned got compensated somehow.
> I stated clearly that TD would obviously get the largest cut, this is
> obvious, but how would it be unfair if they used art
> generated here to give
> the artist a small cut?
> That's all I was suggesting.
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Converting the shn edition
I'm also going to need some initial coaching on the SHN burning process, as
well, at least for anything that is not explained on the site where you
download the program.
I have already received numerous ... well, I wouldn't call them
'complaints', per se, but they certainly expressed that the voluminous
discussions about formats and such were overwhelming in January, which was,
by the way, a record month for message volume.
I suggest we move all SHN and burning/technical questions offlist.
I already have a place for us to go and discuss these things that is most
appropriate, called 'CDHotline'. just click here and hit 'Send':
mailto:cdhotline-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: H. [mailto:gae@g...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:40 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Converting the shn edition
>
>
> Hi.
> I will have to convert the shn files for my 'sub branch' to
> redbook audio.
>
> Are there any hints about that?
>
> I'd like to know if there is a preferred gap size (if the
> audio cds contains
> several tracks) and if the audio cd should contain markers.
>
> thanks
>
> Herbert
>
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: inferno news
caught this over the weekend on the tdi website:
march presale bundle for inferno from tdi's website.
regular onsale may/june
didn't see it mentioned here, yet--sorry if it has been already.
--T
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From:
'albenson'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:37
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
Joe (our fearless leader) wrote:
[excerpt from Joe's first posts of three]
>> '...But the fact that this is all a friendly effort may make
>> you think Edgar's a jerk if he didn't give something
>> back to the fans for having done all his production
>> work for him, but I'd have to disagree. He already
>> paid us in advance with his performance, didn't he?' <<
Yep! I gotta agree with you Joe...
In fact, for this 'Inferno' CD package, I'm wondering about
their use of the word *bundle* that they use? ~lol~ Figure
the disc, a tee-shirt and maybe something *extra* special... ;-)
Besides, I've already heard the divine 'Alte Musik Festival'
concert 'Inferno' (~La Divina Commedia~), but that's hardly
going to stop me from picking up yet another one. After all
-- why stop now? Al's TD motto #1: 'TD diehards NEVER
stop!'
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
PS: Sorry about all those typos & grammar miscues in subject:
'D: Boot [Danger Live] (was: Re: Invisible melodies)' posted
last. At the very least I got the bloody track times right. :-)
Now, I've got a new TD diehard rule: 'Absolutely NO Tadream
posting BEFORE bedtime.' ~lol~
NP: Parallel Dreams (Vol. II), discs #6 'Silver Horns' (aka:
'Silver Scale'). Rock on TD -- as you never fail to please!
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
From: 'Joe Shoults'
> original art would be something there, yes, then they would have to
consider
> copyright there, I think./..
Quite frankly if Edgar and co. contacted us with an offer to clean up half a
dozen concert master tapes and produce the artwork for an official release,
I'd do it for free.
Come on Edgar. Call my bluff. I dare ya. What are you, chicken?
Maff
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
I did not know that calling someone from Europe Chicken would get a
response. I always thought that a American thing.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tree cover art ready for downloading
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
>
> > original art would be something there, yes, then they would have to
> consider
> > copyright there, I think./..
>
>
> Quite frankly if Edgar and co. contacted us with an offer to clean up half
a
> dozen concert master tapes and produce the artwork for an official
release,
> I'd do it for free.
>
> Come on Edgar. Call my bluff. I dare ya. What are you, chicken?
>
>
> Maff
>
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:51
am
Subject: Re: The Piano Solo
Did I miss something? What is this piano solo you are talking about?
I play improvisational piano too (mostly jazz), I'd be interested in
hearing it.
Peace
Orangefunk
--- In tadream@y..., wrote:
> Quoten Morgan Feldon :
>
> > As for this being mostly noodling, Saturday's 74 minutes alone
are
> > incredible and I listen to them often. I really hope a 2-3 disc
edition
> > comes out, not for completeness sake, but because I really think
there are
> > 2-3 discs worth of music that can stand on its own two feet.
>
> It's all improvised.
> I must say that some things turned out very good but there
> are are also some things that are not that good.
> First release will be a 1CD but we might put out an extra
> disc later this year, if everything goes well.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
> man, it's been ages since I updated my webpage :-)
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:00
am
Subject: Piano solo?
>Did I miss something? What is this piano solo you are talking about?
>
>I play improvisational piano too (mostly jazz), I'd be interested in
>hearing it.
>
>Peace
>Orangefunk
This was Dave Brewer's performance of the 1986 Tangerine Dream piano solo,
as played at the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia in 2001. The third annual
Okefenokee event takes place in April of this year. 5 artists, all inspired
in one way or the other by Tangerine Dream playing live improvised music.
Magic.
-Morgan
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Converting the shn edition
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> I'm also going to need some initial coaching on the SHN burning process, as
> well, at least for anything that is not explained on the site where you
> download the program.
I just joined the CDHotline list. Thanks Joe. I noticed that there is about 1
post per month. Do the folks there know what's about to descend on them?
I'm posting this in both places (here and CDHotline) to sort of 'lead the
brigade'.
Suppose you are a SHN branch
- If your customer is also SHN, then what you are going to do is create a DATA
CD. Proceed as you would when creating any data CD, using the files on your
supplier's CDR as food.
- If your customer is Redbook, then what you are going to do is create a music
CD using a pile of WAV files as food. You will need to copy-expand the SHN
files on your supplier's CDR to WAV files on your hard disk (see note below).
You then can proceed to create a redbook CDR as you would from any pile of WAV
files. If multiple files, be sure to get them in the correct order and be sure
that the cue list file is okay and compatible with your burning program.
Easy CD Creator doesn't appear to support cue lists. What I have always done is
split the WAV file apart using a WAV editor and then add each resulting file as
a separate track and edit the track name inside ECDC -- be sure to use DOA
(disc at once) to avoid 2 second gaps between tracks.
Note: You can convert SHN to WAV using the MKW Audio Compression Toolkit
(http://home.att.net/~mkw/mkwact/) or any similar tool you are familiar with.
Ciao -- Mark
PS: Joe, this is what I got in my 'Welcome to CDHotline' message:
The following e-mail commands are available, as well:
tadream-subscribe@o... - subscribe to the tadream list.
tadream-unsubscribe@o... - unsubscribe from the tadream list.
tadream-digest@o... - switch your subscription to daily digest mode.
tadream-normal@o... - switch your subscription to normal mode.
CDHotline-owner@o...
Tadream? Onelist? Ooops. -- M.
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:45
am
Subject: Okefenokee
Hi
Would anyone please be so kind to supply me or direct me to anyone with
the music from the Okefenokee gatherings............................Can't be
there myself, so hopefully the music can give me a glimpse of the
moment..............
Thanks in advance......................
Jan
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From:
'Karl W. Reinsch'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Converting the shn edition
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Mark Filipak wrote:
>
> - If your customer is Redbook, then what you are going to do is
> create a music CD using a pile of WAV files as food. You will need to
> copy-expand the SHN files on your supplier's CDR to WAV files on your
> hard disk (see note below). You then can proceed to create a redbook
> CDR as you would from any pile of WAV files. If multiple files, be
> sure to get them in the correct order and be sure that the cue list
> file is okay and compatible with your burning program.
>
> Easy CD Creator doesn't appear to support cue lists. What I have
> always done is split the WAV file apart using a WAV editor and then
> add each resulting file as a separate track and edit the track name
> inside ECDC -- be sure to use DOA (disc at once) to avoid 2 second
> gaps between tracks.
Ok, here's my question, then -
Are you saying that the SHN files are just a single file for the whole
concert? So, any leaf who wants to make RedBook cds from the SHN files,
and doesn't have software that supports cuelists, has to split the WAV
files themselves?
How will they know exactly where to split the files?
As someone who uses Easy CD Creator, what could I easily and cheaply use
that would support the cuelists?
-karl.
karl@r...
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists (was: Converting the shn edition)
'Karl W. Reinsch' wrote:
-snip-
> Are you saying that the SHN files are just a single file for the whole
> concert? So, any leaf who wants to make RedBook cds from the SHN files,
> and doesn't have software that supports cuelists, has to split the WAV
> files themselves?
> How will they know exactly where to split the files?
After you convert SHN to WAV, listen to it. You should be able to decide for
yourself where to split it.
> As someone who uses Easy CD Creator, what could I easily and cheaply use
> that would support the cuelists?
To be frank, I don't know. Last month someone mentioned a burning program that
will do this, but of course, their message is buried in the mountain of posts
for last month. I think that they even mentioned that the program is free.
Unfortunately, message subject lines don't always (or even often) reflect what
the message is about, so finding this message would be a problem.
I just searched all the messages for subject includes '[tree]' .AND. body
includes either 'cue' .OR. 'track' and couldn't find the message.
I'm hoping that whoever posted the message will read this and repost.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 CD(s)?
>Dave, you guys may have just been noodling, but it sounded good to me!
>
>And as for the piano solo, I thought you were going to send us a recording
>you were happy with? Guess you just never got a 'round tuit'. (Like I
didn't
>get around to sending you that Japanese drumming I mentioned - I'll bring
it
>with me in April, I _promise_.*) I hope you'll be giving a repeat
>performance this year?
I guess I was going to record it sometime. But I was working on my latest
CDR project, and also recorded a new (not piano-based) track for the second
Dreamwatchers' Tales comp. I guess I have more motivation to work on
original music instead of covers. I can at least practice it so I may
redeem myself with a more decent performance this year (assuming everyone
there wants to hear it).
As for the taiko music, you really don't have to go through the trouble (I
had forgotten all about it), though I appreciate it!
>
>*This applies to your African compilation too, Frank.
>....and Marcel's Clockwork Orange OST.
>.........and Bill's Kosmische Musik sleeve notes.
>Guess I'd better get busy!
>
Hey Marion and Marcel! (and anyone else who's interested) Did you know that
Wendy Carlos' soundtrack to Tron just (finally) got issued onto CD late last
month? I made sure to get that on preorder. It was the first album of
electronic music I owned, and that was nearly 20 years ago! I was the
impressionable age of 10 years. To this day I think it's the best blending
of synth and orchestra (even more than the stuff Franke has done). I just
wish that it didn't take me another 7 years before discovering TD's music.
I'm pretty sure I would have liked it even back then.
I guess there wasn't much TD content in there. Sorry! How 'bout this...
I'm looking forward to hearing the Inferno album! :-)
Regards,
Dave B.
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:16
am
Subject: Security patch for MS Internet Explorer
For anyone on the list using Internet Explorer 5.01 SP2 (with Windows 2000
only), Internet Explorer 5.5 SP1 or SP2 or Internet Explorer 6.0, I have
been advised by my anti-virus software distributor that Microsoft has just
brought out a new patch (Q316059.exe) that fixes a number of both recent and
past vulnerability problems with IE. The release date is yesterday, 11
February. I would strongly advise that this patch be installed without
further delay to afford maximum protection for one's system.
Go to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-005.asp
There's a 15 page document explaining what the patch is all about and I've
printed it out for perusal later. I've already installed the patch. (You can
look under IE's Help/About to check that the above Q number is listed when
it's done)
From:
'tangram12'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:28
am
Subject: Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists
hi all
i use a program called CDRWIN, this supports cue lists and can be
found in lots of places on the net, here is one link.
http://liaokai.com/softw_en/download.htm, look under CD-R/RW tools
and it is version CDRWIN V3.8g (2002/1/26) that you want make sure to
download the keygenerator aswell.
Thanks
Duncan McKee
Tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists
Hmmmmm I think this is what you call illegal software...............
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tangram12'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists
> hi all
> i use a program called CDRWIN, this supports cue lists and can be
> found in lots of places on the net, here is one link.
> http://liaokai.com/softw_en/download.htm, look under CD-R/RW tools
> and it is version CDRWIN V3.8g (2002/1/26) that you want make sure to
> download the keygenerator aswell.
>
> Thanks
>
> Duncan McKee
> Tangram@t...
> www.tadream.co.uk
>
>
>
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From:
'tangram12'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:01
am
Subject: Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists
yes this version is but i bought mine from the goldenhawks website
at www.goldenhawk.com
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., 'PERGAMON' wrote:
> Hmmmmm I think this is what you call illegal
software...............
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'tangram12'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:28 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue
lists
>
>
> > hi all
> > i use a program called CDRWIN, this supports cue lists and can
be
> > found in lots of places on the net, here is one link.
> > http://liaokai.com/softw_en/download.htm, look under CD-R/RW
tools
> > and it is version CDRWIN V3.8g (2002/1/26) that you want make
sure to
> > download the keygenerator aswell.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Duncan McKee
> > Tangram@t...
> > www.tadream.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
cosmos1@w...
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: 2 cd's for sale
sorry for this commercial :)
edgar froese - ages cd
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1513413789
klaus kruger - collection cd
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1513420802
regards
andre
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:49
pm
Subject: Re: Converting the shn edition
--- In tadream@y..., 'Karl W. Reinsch' wrote:
> Ok, here's my question, then -
>
> Are you saying that the SHN files are just a single file for the
whole
> concert? So, any leaf who wants to make RedBook cds from the SHN
files,
> and doesn't have software that supports cuelists, has to split the
WAV
> files themselves?
> How will they know exactly where to split the files?
>
Regarding the SHN files of Tangerine Tree that I have created: With
the exception of Bernau, each track on the redbook CDs corresponds to
a single SHN file. The SHN files are titled tadreamYYYY-MM-DDdDtTT
with YYYY-MM-DD being the date of the concert, D the Redbook disc
number and TT the Redbook track number. Thus, the Nottingham concert
has the following SHN files:
tadream1976-11-08d1t01.shn
tadream1976-11-08d1t02.shn
tadream1976-11-08d1t03.shn
Furthermore tracks belonging to different Redbook discs are located
in different subdirectories (in the above example there is only one,
tadream1976-11-08d1), thus it's quite easy to find the correct files
and their order to create Redbooks.
For Bernau I have created one SHN file for the whole show
(tadream2001-10-07d1t01.shn) only, because the tracks are consecutive
and I supposed there would be gaps when creating different SHNs for
each track. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Regards
Michael
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition
michael_berling wrote:
-snip-
> For Bernau I have created one SHN file for the whole show
> (tadream2001-10-07d1t01.shn) only, because the tracks are consecutive
> and I supposed there would be gaps when creating different SHNs for
> each track. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Consider yourself corrected, Michael. :-0
Converting to or from SHN doesn't add anything that isn't in the original WAV
file. If the ripper adds a silence pad to the WAV files it creates, then the
SHN file will have that pad also, but in compressed form.
If you cut up a big WAV file into a series of smaller WAV files, making SHN
files and then expanding them back to WAV and then burning them to redbook
using DAO will not add any silence between tracks. There is one exception, and
that is a characteristic of the WAV editor: If when you cut, you do not cut
along a 588 sample frame boundary, then the WAV editor will fill out the last
frame with either silence or garbage. In other words, the length of a WAV file
must be a whole multiple of 588 samples. At 44100 samples per second, that
translates to 75 frames per second.
(44100 samples/sec)/(588 samples/frame) = 75 frames/sec.
A modern WAV editor should help you to make this cut perfectly.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:56
pm
Subject: warez verboten on list (was RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning pr ogram that supports cue lists)
right - I didn't catch that. warez/cracks/hacks is a no-no on the list;
please have people contact you offlist to discuss anything that circumvents
legal licensing strictures or is even questionable.
Thanks!
having said that, it's been years since I used it, but I remember CDRWin as
being very easy to use, and very error-free. But since I found Nero, I
haven't looked back.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERGA
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:34 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue
> lists
>
>
> Hmmmmm I think this is what you call illegal software...............
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'tangr
> > hi all
> > i use a program called CDRWIN, this supports cue lists and can be
> > found in lots of places on the net, here is one link.
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: Re: warez verboten on list (was RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists)
Yea that is not a good thing to post, off list is much better if you are
going to talk about that. The best choice would be just to buy it.
If I find a source for the shn's, I will ask the person who is not going
thru all the crap to convert, subtract etc. them to audio, how to do, as I
do not want to make a life long project out of this. I just want to be able
to take the files and make a audio disk out of them. After attending 5 long
years of calculus in college, I do not want to add, subtract, or even think
math. I made it a rule that if it isn't simple, leave it alone.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:56 AM
Subject: warez verboten on list (was RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning
program that supports cue lists)
> right - I didn't catch that. warez/cracks/hacks is a no-no on the list;
> please have people contact you offlist to discuss anything that
circumvents
> legal licensing strictures or is even questionable.
>
> Thanks!
>
> having said that, it's been years since I used it, but I remember CDRWin
as
> being very easy to use, and very error-free. But since I found Nero, I
> haven't looked back.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PERGA
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:34 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] Burning program that supports cue
> > lists
> >
> >
> > Hmmmmm I think this is what you call illegal software...............
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'tangr
> > > hi all
> > > i use a program called CDRWIN, this supports cue lists and can be
> > > found in lots of places on the net, here is one link.
>
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:22
pm
Subject: OT: Tron
>Dave mentioned the Tron soundtrack:
I posted a reply but somehow it didn't get thru.
I remember Tron very good and was also about 10 years
old. I was young and had a CBM64 so it was no question about
it whether or not I was going to see the movie.
I vaguely remember the soundtrack too and it was very good,
although I wasn't into electronic music that heavily.
Coincidentally this week I read there was going to be a
special edition DVD of Tron, plus I'm getting my new
hometheatre set this weekend so... :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee
>Quoten PERGAMON :
>
> Hi
>
> Would anyone please be so kind to supply me or direct me to anyone with
> the music from the Okefenokee gatherings............................Can't be
> there myself, so hopefully the music can give me a glimpse of the
> moment..............
>
> Thanks in advance......................
I believe it's still available at various sites like
Groove, Quantum and SMD.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:08
pm
Subject: OT: Tron
> Quoten Dave Brewer :
>
> Hey Marion and Marcel! (and anyone else who's interested) Did you know that
> Wendy Carlos' soundtrack to Tron just (finally) got issued onto CD late last
> month? I made sure to get that on preorder. It was the first album of
> electronic music I owned, and that was nearly 20 years ago! I was the
> impressionable age of 10 years. To this day I think it's the best blending
> of synth and orchestra (even more than the stuff Franke has done). I just
> wish that it didn't take me another 7 years before discovering TD's music.
> I'm pretty sure I would have liked it even back then.
I remember the Tron movie quite good. I was also around
10 years old and had a CBM64 at that time so there was
no question about whether or not I was going to see this
movie. It was great and it still is...although I think a
lot of people would think: whats all that fuss about the
crappy computer graphics. But it was/made a landmark in
computer graphics for movies.
I only remember a few moments of the soundtrack and it was
also very good.
Coincidentally this week I read that a special edition DVD
of Tron has come out and I'm getting my hometheatre set
this weekend...
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee
Thanks Marcel, I'll try these sites...............
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee
> >Quoten PERGAMON :
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Would anyone please be so kind to supply me or direct me to anyone with
> > the music from the Okefenokee gatherings............................Can't be
> > there myself, so hopefully the music can give me a glimpse of the
> > moment..............
> >
> > Thanks in advance......................
>
> I believe it's still available at various sites like
> Groove, Quantum and SMD.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
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From:
'koulos'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:12
pm
Subject: Kneuss
hello to all
after the reminder of someone saying that he palyed disk #6 out of pararell
dream vol 2 i put on the same disk [so many disks full with great music so
dificult to put one out in order to put the other in]
And then it was an new expirience
track no 11 Kneuss OST 1979 3,59
so what the story with this OST? i never heard of it so far ,am i some kind of
blind or what?
and to a second one about this song ... it strongly reminds me of moby's guitar
flute and strings from his play album anyone else see the similarity?
kostas from greece
ps anyone else out there that does the same thing as me? put the cd on the
player and never see what the track name is ? i found myself to recognise TD
tunes and being unable to tell the name
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Tron
I just bought the 'anniversary' edition of the movie last week on
VHS....gonna watch it this week.
:-)
ATYE
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Discography
hello all
i'm new on this list. i'd like to know what is the best tangerine dream
discgraphy available with every album and every bootleg ever made.
thanks
rené
From:
'Kevin Robert Ball'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:34
pm
Subject: Re: Cyclone
Cyclone!
Yes a very underrated album. I personally found Jolliffe's musical
contribution (ignore the vocals) particularly pleasing.
I assume most fans on this list will have the Richard Wahnfried (aka Klaus
Schulze) album 'Miditation' which contains a big contribution by Steve
Jolliffe. Very, very reminiscent of his playing on Cyclone. I must dig the
LP out, as I haven't played it in a long while.
How many others also find that with CD's now we hardly ever spin the vinyl.
Also does anyone know if the 'Miditation' album is available on CD?
Kevin.
-----Original Message-----
From: orangefunk_2000 [mailto:orangefunk_2000@y...]
Sent: 29 January 2002 23:55
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Cyclone
Cyclone is a very special LP for me as it marked my first purchase of a TD
album way back in 84. Just seeing the words Oberheim and sequencers for me
meant that it was something else I could grab onto other than the Jarres and
Vangelis materials that I knew about at the time.
Cyclone gets such a bad rap in my opinion. The vocals are different to say
the least but the musicianship is far and away above anything I've heard
from TD. When i listen to this LP, I feel a mixture of feelings, lots of
different images esp on Madrigal Meridian which has some great Solina
Ensemble all over it...wish my own Solina worked!!
Joliffe is an incredible flute player, horn player etc etc... I could
listen to his playing for the rest of my life. I wouldn't be surprised if
the TD old guard were a bit miffed that this LP sounded like it was all
Joliffe. I can't believe that Edgar feels it shouldn't have been released
(as I've read).
This LP was pivotal in my development as a musician and a music lover. It
ranks up there as my fav TD LP along with Encore, the textures of the sound
are incredible with violin sounds and massed horns.. very medieval sounding
in places.. and very English sounding too.
The drums/sequencer combination also made it a much more dynamic affair than
other LPs. Wish there was more like this about..
Peace
Orangefunk
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cyclone
Isn't that I would not spin vinyl, but that table has become flaky as well
as the needle is broke. I have been having hard time to find a replacement
and or justify the expense now as well. Just happens to be one of the few
pieces that was left when someone borrowed several key components a few
years back. It and the timer was left. I am not sure what meaning that has.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Kevin Robert Ball'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Cyclone
> Cyclone!
>
> Yes a very underrated album. I personally found Jolliffe's musical
> contribution (ignore the vocals) particularly pleasing.
>
> I assume most fans on this list will have the Richard Wahnfried (aka Klaus
> Schulze) album 'Miditation' which contains a big contribution by Steve
> Jolliffe. Very, very reminiscent of his playing on Cyclone. I must dig the
> LP out, as I haven't played it in a long while.
>
> How many others also find that with CD's now we hardly ever spin the
vinyl.
> Also does anyone know if the 'Miditation' album is available on CD?
>
> Kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orangefunk_2000 [mailto:orangefunk_2000@y...]
> Sent: 29 January 2002 23:55
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Cyclone
>
> Cyclone is a very special LP for me as it marked my first purchase of a TD
> album way back in 84. Just seeing the words Oberheim and sequencers for
me
> meant that it was something else I could grab onto other than the Jarres
and
> Vangelis materials that I knew about at the time.
>
> Cyclone gets such a bad rap in my opinion. The vocals are different to
say
> the least but the musicianship is far and away above anything I've heard
> from TD. When i listen to this LP, I feel a mixture of feelings, lots of
> different images esp on Madrigal Meridian which has some great Solina
> Ensemble all over it...wish my own Solina worked!!
>
> Joliffe is an incredible flute player, horn player etc etc... I could
> listen to his playing for the rest of my life. I wouldn't be surprised if
> the TD old guard were a bit miffed that this LP sounded like it was all
> Joliffe. I can't believe that Edgar feels it shouldn't have been released
> (as I've read).
>
> This LP was pivotal in my development as a musician and a music lover. It
> ranks up there as my fav TD LP along with Encore, the textures of the
sound
> are incredible with violin sounds and massed horns.. very medieval
sounding
> in places.. and very English sounding too.
>
> The drums/sequencer combination also made it a much more dynamic affair
than
> other LPs. Wish there was more like this about..
>
> Peace
> Orangefunk
>
>
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Kneuss
kostas from greece said 'ps anyone else out there that does the same thing
as me? put the cd on the player and never see what the track name is ? i
found myself to recognise TD tunes and being unable to tell the name'
I do this all the time. I don't know what the names of tracks are on CD's.
I can remember the music when I hear it. Usually I play live stuff by TD,
Schulze, Banco de Gaia.
I can play TD at work most of the day on my computer CD drive, except when I
am seeing clients. Normally the music is on constant repeat and quiet.
But today I was on the phone to somebody who asked if I had GMTV on in the
background. I said no - just Valentine Wheels!
Once I had a CD on pause whilst I was seeing a client and accidentally
pressed the keyboard. It started the CD going again. So there was this
audience applause coming out of the speakers which surprised my client as
she could not figure out where it was coming from. She couldn't see the
speakers.
I have an Ikea desk which is just a large sheet of glass on trestles with my
speakers and files resting on the trestles. I shine lights through the
glass so on dull days its like having a sound and light show. Orchids,
lemon trees and ferns grew well. It looks like a conservatory with a view
over the roof tops of a seaside town. My argument was if we are going to
work long hours, let's enjoy it. Now if I can just persuade them to use
computer projectors on the wall instead of a CD monitor...... but where
would I keep the mountain bike?
David
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Cyclone and Turntables
Cyclone is one of my faves too. I like the bizarre vocals,
which transport me to 'altered states'. (anyone remember that film?)
On the subject of turntables,
I had a break-in in 97 and they took all my stereo equipment
except for the turntable. They even took a top-loader VCR
that barely worked, and left a fairly high-end turntable
that was in excellent condition.
I guess there's no accounting for taste...
James
(and no, I've never ended up at the zoo after hearing 'Bent Cold
Sidewalk...')
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...]
Just happens to be
> one of the few
> pieces that was left when someone borrowed several key
> components a few
> years back. It and the timer was left. I am not sure what
> meaning that has.
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:53
pm
Subject: [boot] bourbon st. atari party
thought I'd ask about this as it being mardi gras and all--anyone want to
comment on this bootleg? I haven't heard it.
Bourbon street atari party
thanks in advance,
--T
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From:
'Simon W. Hood'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:00
am
Subject: Re: Richard Wahnfried 'Miditation'
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:34:34 -0000
> From: 'Kevin Robert Ball'
>Subject: Re: Cyclone
>
>Cyclone!
>
>Yes a very underrated album. I personally found Jolliffe's musical
>contribution (ignore the vocals) particularly pleasing.
>
>I assume most fans on this list will have the Richard Wahnfried (aka Klaus
>Schulze) album 'Miditation' which contains a big contribution by Steve
>Jolliffe. Very, very reminiscent of his playing on Cyclone. I must dig the
>LP out, as I haven't played it in a long while.
>
>How many others also find that with CD's now we hardly ever spin the vinyl.
>Also does anyone know if the 'Miditation' album is available on CD?
>
>Kevin.
'Miditation' is (or was) available on CD. It was digitally re-mastered
and released in 1990 on the IC / Digit Music label, as no. IC 710.096.
I agree that Steve Jolliffe's playing on it is very reminiscent of
'Cyclone'. In fact, the first time I heard the album, I thought he was
going to burst into 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' at one point.
According to the CD insert, the LP version 'was on the market only a
very short time'. So you might have a valuable rarity there, Kevin.
Simon
--
Simon W. Hood
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:53
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Burning program that supports cue lists (was: Converting the shn edition)
CDRWIN (www.goldenhawk.com) or EAC both support cuesheets...
> > As someone who uses Easy CD Creator, what could I easily and cheaply use
> > that would support the cuelists?
>
> To be frank, I don't know. Last month someone mentioned a burning
> program that will do this, but of course, their message is buried
> in the mountain of posts for last month. I think that they even
> mentioned that the program is free. Unfortunately, message
> subject lines don't always (or even often) reflect what the
> message is about, so finding this message would be a problem.
>
> I just searched all the messages for subject includes '[tree]'
> .AND. body includes either 'cue' .OR. 'track' and couldn't find
> the message.
>
> I'm hoping that whoever posted the message will read this and repost.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:51
pm
Subject: [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
[message originally posted to tadream list]
Oh, my. I didn't know EAC is also a burning program -- new discovery.
Does anyone have any experience burning with EAC? Was it good, bad, or what? I
don't want to make a coaster set just to try it out.
Thanks -- Mark
'C. Chambers' wrote:
>
> CDRWIN (www.goldenhawk.com) or EAC both support cuesheets...
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
It is all I use now, since my 'old' version of CDRWIN doesn't support my
'new' Plextor burner and I don't feel like buying another copy. I actually
like EAC better, now that I am used to it. Only problem is that alot of
burners are not supported.
Good thing is that it supports 'overburning' which I think Roxio doesn't. I
don't like to overburn, but sometimes there is that 81 minute show that I
hate to split and burn on 2 CDs for the extra minute.
EAC works wonderfully. Highly recommended if your burner is supported...all
Plextors are. Just bought a new 24x which absolutely smokes...especially on
those SHN discs. I can do 700MB in about 3 minutes. I am in heaven. I
also burned several audio CDs at 24x and did a bit comparison with the
originals which was perfect...which goes against what I have heard that
burning at high speed can cause problems. Doing some research on the net, I
found that some folks that have done some serious testing claim that high
speed burns are actually 'less' likely to introduce errors. I am starting
to believe this, but I am not totally convinced yet. As always, your
mileage may vary.
Another cool thing I found with the Plextor is that it comes bundeled with a
program called 'Audio FS' (file system?) that lets tracks show up in
Explorer as WAVE files as opposed to .CDA files...so you can do a straight
file copy from CD and *DO NOT* have to do a 'Digital Audio Extraction'.
This means you can copy CD's as tracks at 40x, without errors!
Awesome...but still not sure I trust it to be errorless...still need to do
more comparisons. I have found it useful when I have problems extracting
using EAC, I just dump it over using Audio FS, and have been happy.
Craig
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; cdhotline@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue
> lists)
>
>
> [message originally posted to tadream list]
>
> Oh, my. I didn't know EAC is also a burning program -- new discovery.
>
> Does anyone have any experience burning with EAC? Was it good,
> bad, or what? I don't want to make a coaster set just to try it out.
>
> Thanks -- Mark
>
> 'C. Chambers' wrote:
> >
> > CDRWIN (www.goldenhawk.com) or EAC both support cuesheets...
>
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From:
tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:34
pm
Subject: New poll for tadream
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tadream group:
Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
manage to make actually have a concert?
o Yes
o No
o RETIRE
o Change Record Companies
o Move to the US
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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Thanks!
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From:
'3N'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
Hello!
----- Original Message -----
From: C. Chambers
>
> EAC works wonderfully. Highly recommended if your burner is
supported...all
> Plextors are. Just bought a new 24x which absolutely smokes...especially
on
> those SHN discs. I can do 700MB in about 3 minutes. I am in heaven. I
> also burned several audio CDs at 24x and did a bit comparison with the
> originals which was perfect...which goes against what I have heard that
> burning at high speed can cause problems. Doing some research on the net,
I
You said audio x24? OK, your own risk, maybe without any errors, maybe. But
tell me Craig why in the newest Plextor model (40,12,40), witch is special
produced for audio recording with many high-top technologies directly from
stationary-studio burned (he he, prof for the masses?), the meximum speed of
audio burning is _only_ x8???
>
> Another cool thing I found with the Plextor is that it comes bundeled with
a
> program called 'Audio FS' (file system?) that lets tracks show up in
> Explorer as WAVE files as opposed to .CDA files...so you can do a straight
> file copy from CD and *DO NOT* have to do a 'Digital Audio Extraction'.
Oh, no. It's simply driver for digital audio extraction for drag&drop method
in Windows Explorer. It can be used for any burned and cd- or dvd-rom. But
nothing more!
regards
JerzyK
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
> Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> manage to make actually have a concert?
??? London May 12 2001...Warsaw August 31 2001.....Bernau October 7
2001.....!!!
>
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
In a message dated 2/13/02 9:37:24 AM, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
>manage to make actually have a concert?
You have no chance to survive make your time.
(Sorry... I know AYB jokes are passe.)
--Daniel
NP: Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
From:
'lafoote'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: Cincinnati Concert CANCELED
What's up with this? This is the second time TD has CANCELED here.
I bought tickets in early November AGAIN, only to find out that they
CANCELED again yesterday. Does TD ACTUALLY exist anymore? How can
they expect fan support if this continues here in the USA. See
message below.
Electric Mike
Tangerine Dream
February 13, 2002 - 8:00PM
Cancelled!!!!!!
Due to the record label pulling the band's tour support, this event
has been cancelled again.
Refunds available at point of purchase
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New poll for tadream
As I hit the 'delete' button on this poll, I'll point out that yes, I have
made the polling feature available to all members. But this is not so that
you can abuse the polling feature to display your personal, uninformed
angst. This poll had no redeeming merit.
In the midst of writing this, I see that in all fairness, 'Electric Mike'
has been misinformed. Someone explained the reason for the cancellation to
him as, 'Due to the record label pulling the band's tour support, this event
has been cancelled again.' This is probably one of those 'stock' answers
they use to swat away livid ticket buyers.
We know this to not be true because we've discussed it here, and he has just
joined.
Please use the polling feature responsibly.
Thanks,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:35 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] New poll for tadream
>
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> tadream group:
>
> Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> manage to make actually have a concert?
>
> o Yes
> o No
> o RETIRE
> o Change Record Companies
> o Move to the US
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
sorry
I just refuse to vote.
I say this is funny but after all I am still trying to get my funds back
from the tickets I purchased for last year TD in Venture. So I am not
laughing much.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 6:34 AM
Subject: [tadream] New poll for tadream
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> tadream group:
>
> Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> manage to make actually have a concert?
>
> o Yes
> o No
> o RETIRE
> o Change Record Companies
> o Move to the US
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New poll for tadream
oh and BTW, welcome to the list, Electric Mike! I hope you find it a useful
resource for up-to-date and ACCURATE info. :-)
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] New poll for tadream
>
>
> As I hit the 'delete' button on this poll, I'll point out
> that yes, I have
> made the polling feature available to all members. But this
> is not so that
> you can abuse the polling feature to display your personal, uninformed
> angst. This poll had no redeeming merit.
>
> In the midst of writing this, I see that in all fairness,
> 'Electric Mike'
> has been misinformed. Someone explained the reason for the
> cancellation to
> him as, 'Due to the record label pulling the band's tour
> support, this event
> has been cancelled again.' This is probably one of those
> 'stock' answers
> they use to swat away livid ticket buyers.
>
> We know this to not be true because we've discussed it here,
> and he has just
> joined.
>
> Please use the polling feature responsibly.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:35 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [tadream] New poll for tadream
> >
> >
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > tadream group:
> >
> > Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> > manage to make actually have a concert?
> >
> > o Yes
> > o No
> > o RETIRE
> > o Change Record Companies
> > o Move to the US
> >
>
>
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: Rainbow Drive
Speaking of obscure soundtracks, Rainbow Drive was on the Encore Mystery
Channel a few weeks ago. I taped it and watched it. Pretty good soundtrack,
OK movie.
Scott
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
'C. Chambers' wrote:
>
-snip good information about EAC. Thanks Craig.-
>
> Another cool thing I found with the Plextor is that it comes bundeled with a
> program called 'Audio FS' (file system?) that lets tracks show up in
> Explorer as WAVE files as opposed to .CDA files...so you can do a straight
> file copy from CD and *DO NOT* have to do a 'Digital Audio Extraction'.
> This means you can copy CD's as tracks at 40x, without errors!
> Awesome...but still not sure I trust it to be errorless...still need to do
> more comparisons. I have found it useful when I have problems extracting
> using EAC, I just dump it over using Audio FS, and have been happy.
I believe this is another case of hidden operation. What you claim above cannot
be true. Just because 'Audio FS' shows the CDDA as files, it must still rip to
get them. The 'files' cannot be stored as both CDDA (i.e., redbook) .AND. WAV
files. There simply is not enough capacity on the CDR to store both. What must
be happening is that DAO is happening behind the scenes.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
I think these discussions, while worthwhile and interesting to me, are more
suited for the CDHotline list. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but I
think we've exhausted this subject for the tadream list general membership.
Let's please try to take them either off-list or the the CDHotline list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cdhotline
Thanks,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
...
> > Another cool thing I found with the Plextor is that it
...
> I believe this is another case of hidden operation. What you
> claim above cannot be true. Just because 'Audio FS' shows the
> CDDA as files, it must still rip to get them. The 'files'
...
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Rainbow Drive
I agree...Its too bad this hasn't made it out on CD. (Though there was a rumor
of it being scheduled for release in the past)....
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Scott splumer@w...
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:42:21 -0500
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Rainbow Drive
Speaking of obscure soundtracks, Rainbow Drive was on the Encore Mystery
Channel a few weeks ago. I taped it and watched it. Pretty good soundtrack,
OK movie.
Scott
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From:
tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:02
pm
Subject: Reminder - TD CONCERT CANCELED-AGAIN!
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
TD CONCERT CANCELED-AGAIN!
Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2002
Time: 8:00PM - 12:00AM EST (GMT-05:00)
Cincinnati Concert at Bogarts!
NOW CANCELED-AGAIN!!!
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
> You said audio x24? OK, your own risk, maybe without any errors,
> maybe. But
> tell me Craig why in the newest Plextor model (40,12,40), witch is special
> produced for audio recording with many high-top technologies directly from
> stationary-studio burned (he he, prof for the masses?), the
> meximum speed of
> audio burning is _only_ x8???
I don't know why, and I still am not convinced it is good, but I used some
shn files I downloaded (U2 Elevation shows), and to test I burned at 24x,
then extracted those files using EAC back to wave, and did a comparison with
the original and they were identical...in fact I did it on several discs, so
I know it is not a fluke. Now it may be statistically inaccurate to say it
*never* increases error rates, but to say it *always* does is inaccurate
also.
There is a significant writeup about the issues involved with burning at
high speed compared to lower speeds, at this spot, for those interested:
http://www.emedialive.com/EM2000/starrett5.html
That said, I still prefer to burn at slower speeds for audio, as I am not
convinced yet.
> > program called 'Audio FS' (file system?) that lets tracks show up in
> > Explorer as WAVE files as opposed to .CDA files...so you can do
> a straight
> > file copy from CD and *DO NOT* have to do a 'Digital Audio Extraction'.
>
> Oh, no. It's simply driver for digital audio extraction for
> drag&drop method
> in Windows Explorer. It can be used for any burned and cd- or dvd-rom. But
> nothing more!
I did not realize that...granted the documentation is kinda spotty, so now I
know not to use this...thanks (and to Morgan too) for all the insight.
Craig
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] EAC (was: Burning program that supports cue lists)
> I think these discussions, while worthwhile and interesting to
> me, are more
> suited for the CDHotline list. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but I
> think we've exhausted this subject for the tadream list general
> membership.
> Let's please try to take them either off-list or the the CDHotline list
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cdhotline
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
Joe...sorry I read this after my last reply...so no more on tech topics on
this list for me. I did subscribe to the cdhotline list.
Craig
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [boot] bourbon st. atari party
Typical 88 show, nice audience recording.
This is the complete show, put to CD from the master
by the taper (if I recall correctly).
Recorded (obviously) in New Orleans.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:54 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h...
> Subject: [tadream] [boot] bourbon st. atari party
>
>
> thought I'd ask about this as it being mardi gras and
> all--anyone want to
> comment on this bootleg? I haven't heard it.
>
> Bourbon street atari party
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> --T
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:28
am
Subject: ot burn.../tech ???
>and to test I burned at 24x,
then extracted those files using EAC back to wave, and did a comparison with
the original and they were identical<
hmm perhaps your detection software isn't powerful enought to detect
relatively minor differences, then again you may just confirm the power of
eac.....
is your burner ide or scsi-based or??? (sorry, don't answer that onlist)
--T
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From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
tadream@yahoogroups.com [13/02/2002 11:28] dijo/said:
>
>Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
>tadream group:
>
>Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
>manage to make actually have a concert?
>
> o Yes
> o No
> o RETIRE
> o Change Record Companies
> o Move to the US
I can't help but point out the most obvious flaw in this poll: where
is the CowboyNeal option?
--
MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n...
#include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel
<*>
'Simple, change the gravitational constant of the Universe.'
- Q
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 2:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
At 02.02.13-14:34, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the tadream group:
>To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls
I just went there.....is it me because I don't see this poll!
Pete Isaacson
aka
°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
mailto:penfold@a...
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1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot burn.../tech ???
I'd sure like the answers to Tei's questions. Would you take this to
CDHotline@yahoogroups.com so we who are interested can peek over your shoulders.
Thanks -- Mark
tei waz wrote:
>
> >and to test I burned at 24x,
> then extracted those files using EAC back to wave, and did a comparison with
> the original and they were identical<
>
> hmm perhaps your detection software isn't powerful enought to detect
> relatively minor differences, then again you may just confirm the power of
> eac.....
>
> is your burner ide or scsi-based or??? (sorry, don't answer that onlist)
>
> --T
>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
March 1975 in Auckland! Yes, I know I'm being sarcastic. I've never heard
them live as I didn't get to hear 'Phaedra' till later in the year. So you
can consider yourselves lucky.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
> > Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> > manage to make actually have a concert?
>
> ??? London May 12 2001...Warsaw August 31 2001.....Bernau October 7
> 2001.....!!!
>
> >
>
>
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From:
KMJ
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:13
am
Subject: Re: bourbon st. atari party
> Typical 88 show, nice audience recording.
> This is the complete show, put to CD from the master
> by the taper (if I recall correctly).
Actually the master tape has been lost through the years. This show was
transferred from a very clean and well preserved first gen. source. No
noise reduction or equalization was used.
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:06
am
Subject: OT: Mike Oldfield
I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to Mike
Oldfield's music? I know that few of you are familiar
with him.
I found his music just recently when I bought Five
Miles Out. Then I bought his stuff from 70's and 90's.
I am pretty tolerant and I can very well listen the
original Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3. My most
played albums currently are Ommadawn, Orchestral
Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
Toughts? Opinions? Anything?
Regards,
TheInfection
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'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:47
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
Ommadawn is my fav ;-)
-----Original Message-----
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To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to Mike
Oldfield's music? I know that few of you are familiar
with him.
I found his music just recently when I bought Five
Miles Out. Then I bought his stuff from 70's and 90's.
I am pretty tolerant and I can very well listen the
original Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3. My most
played albums currently are Ommadawn, Orchestral
Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
Toughts? Opinions? Anything?
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: OT: Mike Oldfield
(hey Joe, for some unknown reason it's working now... just after the
carnival ended... I wonder... ;)
I started listening to Oldfield months before TD, I'm pretty familiar with
his work (except the pop songs period from 1984 to 1989). Oldfield's music
sometimes can really touch me, specially in a few albums such as Ommadawn
(my favourite) and Amarok. Five Miles Out is probably my most played album,
though, with its rocky songs. Taurus II, the first track there, is my
favourite Oldfield track.
I'd talk a bit more but this isn't the right place, and Í'm at work (with
work to do ;)
You can contact me if you want to talk more.
see ya,
GJ
> I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to Mike
> Oldfield's music? I know that few of you are familiar
> with him.
>
> I found his music just recently when I bought Five
> Miles Out. Then I bought his stuff from 70's and 90's.
> I am pretty tolerant and I can very well listen the
> original Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3. My most
> played albums currently are Ommadawn, Orchestral
> Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
>
> Toughts? Opinions? Anything?
>
> Regards,
> TheInfection
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:29
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1235
Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
>manage to make actually have a concert?
>
>
> Move to the US
Yes, yes and again yes.
This would sure as hell make my day!
DPH
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
TheInfection wrote:
>
> I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to Mike
> Oldfield's music?
I do. Actually I discovered Mike Oldfield's music many years before TD.
First exposure was Tubular Bells, heard on the radio in 1974. This album
is still my favorite, but I also like very much Hergest Ridge, Ommadawn,
Amarok and The Songs of Distant Earth. More recently, The Millennium
Bell was a disappointment for me, but Guitars was a pleasant surprise.
BTW, my first exposure to TD was also through the radio, but only in
1983 with the album Logos.
Antonio
From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:40
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235
Perhaps they should do a Kraftwerk and send some dummies and a MD/DAT
in their place... :-)
They could get Chris Franke and Peter Bauman dummies and relive the
good old days!
probably be just as animated as a typical modern day TD concert!
--- In tadream@y..., 'Daniel Hobrecht' wrote:
>
> Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> >manage to make actually have a concert?
> >
> >
> > Move to the US
>
> Yes, yes and again yes.
>
> This would sure as hell make my day!
>
> DPH
From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] How I started listening to TD was OT: Mike Oldfield
the way I came to Tangerine dream
I think it was in the year 1975 :
Starting with Yes, Rick Wakeman, Novalis, Jane, Klaus Schulze,
Hawkwind, Ash Ra Temple, Mike Oldfield,
Uriah Heep, Eloy,
ending with Tangerine Dream
Since that time: Klaus Schulze is number one, TD closely number two :-)
( and still this period has a great influence at my taste of music )
Bert
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:28
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales II - Last Call for sign-ups
Hey gang!
Last call for sign-ups for the Dreamwatchers' Tales II tree.
Hoping to post a structure by monday.
You can sign up at the www.tadream.net (details also available there)
website, or contact me directly.
Cheers!
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Subject: Ca va-ca Marche-Ca Ira Encore on ebay
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] How I started listening to TD
>the way I came to Tangerine dream
Beat this: I first heard TD at the age of 5.
And immediately liked it. My dad, almost omnivore when it comes to music,
had some self-made collection which included Stratosfear. I liked the track.
When I was about 12, when music sort of first time starts becoming really
important, I rediscovered that collection and there my serious TD maniacity
(or would a serious maniac be a paradox?) started. First year I acquired 1
album; Exit. The next, the amount was also 1. Mars Polaris. Then 11. Then
17. I wonder how many will the total for this year become...
How many TD albums do you approximately get in a year? Bootlegs, alternate
releases etc. do of course count.
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From:
tom george
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 3:11
pm
Subject: OT-Mike Oldfield
His music is wonderful. I have almost his entire
catalog. there are gems throughout. some of my
favorites are:
Hergest Ridge
Ommadawn
Anorak
Millennium Bell
Guitar
Tubular Bells 3
Some of his music features singers which (although
not my favorites) I still like.
Millennium Bell has gotten a thrashing from almost
every source I have read but I really like it and
it grows on me more everytime I listen too it.
Very world oriented and a lovely piece of work.
Highly reccomended.
Tom
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From:
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Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
Yes. Been a fan since late 70's.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'TheInfection'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
> I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to Mike
> Oldfield's music? I know that few of you are familiar
> with him.
>
> I found his music just recently when I bought Five
> Miles Out. Then I bought his stuff from 70's and 90's.
> I am pretty tolerant and I can very well listen the
> original Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3. My most
> played albums currently are Ommadawn, Orchestral
> Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
>
> Toughts? Opinions? Anything?
>
> Regards,
> TheInfection
>
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From:
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Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1235
Why would they move to the US? Grant it, if you are use to the culture of
the US, then you are ok. German culture to US? Then the taxes?
How long do you think the music would keep it's flavor after living in the
US for a period of time?
I am not sure that would be a good move for them.
Yes, I would be happy of course.
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To:
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Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1235
>
> Should TD QUIT Touring since they can't
> >manage to make actually have a concert?
> >
> >
> > Move to the US
>
> Yes, yes and again yes.
>
> This would sure as hell make my day!
>
> DPH
>
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II - Last Call for sign-ups
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Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II - Last Call for sign-ups
> Hey gang!
>
> Last call for sign-ups for the Dreamwatchers' Tales II tree.
>
> Hoping to post a structure by monday.
>
> You can sign up at the www.tadream.net (details also available there)
> website, or contact me directly.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Tom
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:17
pm
Subject: Mike Oldfield & my intro to e-music and TD.
My absolute favorite Oldfield was Tubular Bells for many years. Then I
heard 'Songs of Distant Earth' and all that changed (TB is still a close
second, but it's like a different kind of music). 'Songs...' is a
masterpiece! If you don't have it, get it!
On the subject of how you are introduced to music...
My first e-music would be 'The IN sound from WAY OUT', which was a
collection of pop songs 'instrumentalised' with signal generators, various
'spacey' effects and real drums and guitar. They were re-titled with spacey
titles like 'The girl from Venus' and 'Barnyard in Orbit' (with plenty of
synthesized animal effects). My Dad picked that up in 75 or so. I loved to
listen to that tape (it was a 7-inch reel-to-reel). When I was a little
older he got an album called 'Country Moog: Switched on Nashville' by Gil
Trythal (I think) which I guess was supposed to be the Country version of
'Switched on Bach (which I didn't hear until college!). Foggy Mountain
Breakdown sure sounds different on the Moog. My favorite track was probably
'Yackety Moog'...
My Dad bought the Chariots of Fire soundtrack when it came out. I was
already into movie scores (mostly Star Trek and John Williams stuff), and
this was one of most spectacular I had heard. Later on in 81 or 82 my Dad
starts looking for other things by Vangelis and brings home Opera Sauvage.
Another instant favorite. In about 84 there was a Doctor Who convention
(Jon Pertwee was the guest) and we picked up 'Doctor Who: The Music' on LP.
Fortunately by then I had figured out that I could preserve a record longer
by taping it and playing the cassette over and over again. I've worn out
several copies of that one.
Somewhere along the way I switched from listening to the classical station
all the time to a local 'public' station that played a lot of 70's
electronics. I may have heard some TD there, but I don't know for sure.
This was where I first heard 'Tubular Bells' and Kraftwerk's 'Autobahn'.
The station didn't last long in this format unfortunately. I discovered
'Axel F' and started looking for other stuff by Harold Faltermeyer. I found
the theme he did for 'Fletch' and the 'Top Gun Anthem' (still three of my
favorite pick-up tracks). Somewhere in there I had a friend who was a big
Floyd fan, so I listened rather heavily to 'Meddle' and 'Dark Side of the
Moon' for a while.
My Dad started hearing Yanni on the radio (he always listed to the local
easy-listening station) and we bought him 'Out of Silence' for Christmas.
'Out of Silence quickly became my favorite album. This is from the time
when Yanni still put out powerful synth tour-de-forces. (I noticed that is
was co-produced by Peter Baumann, but had no clue who he was.) The same
year, one of my brother's girlfriends had gotten him started on Kitaro and
Laurie Anderson. Laurie fit my wierd personality rather well, and Kitaro
was really nice to sleep to.
I started buying my own LPs and such around then, and started off buying
Vangelis' 'Heaven and Hell'. What a shock compared to 'Chariots...' and
'Opera Sauvage'! But I was in love again. Next I bought 'Albedo 0.39' and
heard my first heavily sequencer oriented album! This is still one of my
top picks.
I went looking for some more Yanni, but he only had 3 albums out at the
time, and the first one (Optimystique) was already out of print. The guy at
Camelot Music recommended 'River's Gonna Rise' by Patrick O'Hearn. I was a
little disappointed, expecting Yanni's broad orchestral style, and getting
O'Hearn's lighter, jazzy styles instead. However, it grew on me and I
became a big O'Hearn fan as well.
THEN I went away to college (1988) and was playing 'Albedo' in my dorm room
during a card game. One of the guys says 'This reminds me of Tangerine
Dream'.
He proceeds to send me home for Christmas with 6 TD cassettes:
Stratosfear
Force Majeur
Cyclone
Tangram
Rubycon
Ricochet
And I have been a RABID TD fan ever since...
James
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:26
pm
Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series
Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S
The Official Web Page for SOUNDSCAPES is http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes/
For the inaugural event of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital Decay will
appear in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located
in historic Bethlehem, the IceHouse is a wonderful venue for a concert of
spacemusic. This concert will be held on Saturday, February 16, 2002, starting
at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free
buffet dinner. Tickets at the door will be $10. A $2 discount will be given
for students with ID card and for members of WMUH and WDIY who show their
membership card. This is an all ages show. Advance tickets will be $8 (no
discounts), available at the Compact Disc Center located at 1365 Easton Ave.
near Linden St. in Bethlehem.
Orbital Decay consists of electric guitarist Tim Richardson and synthesist Terry
Furber of Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Originally founded in 1979, the year when
Skylab's orbit decayed, causing a firey return to Earth, the band is influenced
by the likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd. Terry and Tim
create improvisational electronic space music with the energy of the fusion
styles of the '70s. This means that Orbital Decay charts unexplored territory
of sound and mood.
Orbital Decay has three self-released CDR albums featuring their prolific studio
jam sessions. These CDRs were featured on EMUSIC in December, 2001, as part of
the Special Focus on Orbital Decay. On December 27th, Orbital Decay performed a
live, in-studio concert during EMUSIC on WDIY. They also performed on WXPN's
Star's End in Philadelphia last August. Listen to EMUSIC for more music from
Orbital Decay.
Directions to the IceHouse and information about the concert can be found at:
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html
For more information about Bethlehem, please visit http://www.bethtour.org/ For
more information about the Lehigh Valley (Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton and
vicinity), please visit http://www.lehighvalleypa.org/index.html
Please forward this message to anyone who you think will be interested.
Best regards,
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] How I started listening to TD
First encounter with TD was at Bournemouth Record
Library. I was 12 (definately the age at which music
becomes something more than Saturday morning pop) and
went grudgingly with my Mum on a Saturday morning.
While browsing through the vinyl (this would be 1985)
I saw the name Tangerine Dream. Nice name, I thought.
The first album in line was Hyperborea - one of the
tracks went to 20minutes!!! I had to investigate.
Loved it.
Next album I borrowed was Thief. That clinched it.
Started purchasing albums after that...
Jon.
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From:
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Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:19
am
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield & my intro to e-music and TD.
> My absolute favorite Oldfield was Tubular Bells for many years. Then I
> heard 'Songs of Distant Earth' and all that changed(...)
The Songs of Distant Earth is indeed a very well crafted piece; I agree it's
a masterpiece, but it's a bit too smooth for me. Between TSODE and TB, I
usually pick TB to listen.
> On the subject of how you are introduced to music...
That was some interesting reading! I like reading those kind of stories, so
here's mine:
Since I was little I always liked classical music. There was at home Mozart,
Beethoven and such LPs, and also Carmina Burana, always a favourite.
When my sister turned 3, in 1987 (I was nearly 5 years old), the party was
filmed and the tape editor used Jarre's 'Souvenir of China' as opening and
ending soundtrack; dad liked the music and bought his 'Concerts in China'
vinyl, which cover was very impressive for me at my age. I remember I also
was attracted to the music.
I never was interested in any music except classical, I liked listening
sometimes to radio stations that played this kind of music etc but never
really looked for music. I had several accidental 'meetings' with Jarre's
music, like one day in 94 when I found two MOD tracks of Magnetic Fields 1
and 4 which came with this MOD player, and in 95 when I saw 'Concert for
Tolerance' on HBO. In the end of 98 I found a site with almost all Jarre
albums in mp3, so I spent the school holidays downloading all that (some 450
MB), and I liked the music very much. So I decided to look for his albums,
but only found them in months later april/99: almost all of them in the
biggest CD store in Rio, which had all kinds of CDs from everywhere, and
lots of Jarre CDs. I got Magnetic Fields (of course) and Zoolook (which was
my favourite track in that MP3 collection).
Shortly after I discovered the Jarre discussion lists (the international and
later the Brazilian list), and began to hear strange names like 'Tangerine
Dream'... So I went back to that store and discovered this HUGE amount of TD
albums, and I thought 'My God! what should I listen to first?'
I saw this double CD compilation that seemed interesting, called 'Analogue
Space Years', full of interesting track names such as 'Alpha Centauri' (I
always liked space stuff), 'Ziet' (argh), 'Origin of Supernatural
Probabilities' (it was specially then that I realized, there was something
in this TD for me). But I never really liked compilations, so, much
fortunately!!, I got Oldfield's Tubular Bells, then a limited remastered
edition (I like this collector stuff). Loved TB, but TD stayed in my mind.
Some weeks later I found a good amount of TD CDs in this quite small store
(only a room), so I asked the store owner to play 'Pergamon' for me, because
the cover looked pretty and it only had 2 20+ minute tracks - I also like
the sight of huge tracks, they are usually more interesting. So the Tangram
piano theme was the first thing I heard, then there was the sequence in
Quichotte 2... then I thought, 'this is really really nice, it sounds like
the music I invent and hum when I'm walking in the streets!'
But I finally bought my first CDs weeks later, in 28/8/1999 (I do keep the
dates), Extracts from Poland (still haven't got around to getting the
remastered more complete edition) and White Eagle, which had this bronzeish
color that I found interesting, only to know the truth about it much later.
I still remember that sunny saturday listening to this music radically
different from anything I had heard before.
And what got me definitively hooked on TD was Midnight in Tula (!!! :)
Later, I found out about Klaus Schulze, Vangelis, Philip Glass, Agitation
Free (which was a very pleasant surprise recently, when I heard their
'Second'), Änglagård, Laurie Anderson, Synergy, Solaris, Sibelius etc etc
etc.
GJ (with not really much work to do at the moment ;)
which is happy, because In Blue has finally arrived after more than 1 month
waiting! :))
From:
'albenson'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:30
pm
Subject: Test
Just a test...
(my TD & Yahoo digest coming
about one out of every three trying
to reset per Joe's instructions).
-- Al
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
I like Hergest Ridge very much! And... Guitars...
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheInfection [mailto:rubyconist@y...]
> Sent: donderdag 14 februari 2002 8:06
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield
>
>
> I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to Mike
> Oldfield's music? I know that few of you are familiar
> with him.
>
> I found his music just recently when I bought Five
> Miles Out. Then I bought his stuff from 70's and 90's.
> I am pretty tolerant and I can very well listen the
> original Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3. My most
> played albums currently are Ommadawn, Orchestral
> Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
>
> Toughts? Opinions? Anything?
>
> Regards,
> TheInfection
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: [tree] the database
I've taken down the static version of the Tangerine Tree participants' table
until I can update it, to avoid confusion. there have been changes and
additions that I haven't had time to update in the static version. they are
accurate in the database version. in the meantime, use the yahoogroups
database :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
thnaks,
Joe
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] the database
But the yahoogroups database is unavailable now...
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:05 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [tadream] [tree] the database
>
>
> I've taken down the static version of the Tangerine Tree
> participants' table
> until I can update it, to avoid confusion. there have been
> changes and
> additions that I haven't had time to update in the static
> version. they are
> accurate in the database version. in the meantime, use the
> yahoogroups
> database :
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
>
> thnaks,
> Joe
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 10:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] the database
oops- thanks. It's public now.
> -----Original Message-----
> But the yahoogroups database is unavailable now...
>
> 'Jerry'
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:35
am
Subject: TD with MO?
Hi folks, about that TD with MO thing, I had contacted the oldfield list, but
forgot to forward this to you; also, I wasn't receiving tadream mail, so..
anyway, Lars Tängmark from the Oldfield list said about that unknown track:
>'I'd say it's mike on guitar, but I doubt that it's TD's electronics. Sounds
>more like a MO home demo. Could be any era from 81-present. His demos are
>rough sometimes.
>It's a good piece of music actually!'
so there you go.
see ya
GJ
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD with MO?
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hi folks, about that TD with MO thing, I had contacted the oldfield
> list, but forgot to forward this to you; also, I wasn't receiving
> tadream mail, so.. anyway, Lars Tängmark from the Oldfield list said
> about that unknown track:
>
>>'I'd say it's mike on guitar, but I doubt that it's TD's electronics. Sounds
>>more like a MO home demo. Could be any era from 81-present. His demos are
>>rough sometimes.
>>It's a good piece of music actually!'
I know I also wrote that it sounded to me like Mike Oldfield, but now
I'm not so sure. Today I was listening to the albums I have by GANDALF
(only 2), and even if I didn't find that track, the style seems very
close. So, I made a web-search by TD + MO + Gandalf, and look what I've
found on Klaus Beschorner's site:
'The so-called NDR-Radio Session (Froese-Schnitzler-Oldfield) was a
track by Gandalf'
So, maybe this is the track. Klaus, if you have a recording of this
so-called NDR-Radio Session, could you please compare it with the mp3 at
http://www.tubular-world.com/download/#special
Anyone here familiar with Gandalf music, perhaps could also identify
that mp3?
Antonio
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD with MO?
Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
> I know I also wrote that it sounded to me like Mike Oldfield, but now
> I'm not so sure. Today I was listening to the albums I have by GANDALF
> (only 2), and even if I didn't find that track, the style seems very
> close. So, I made a web-search by TD + MO + Gandalf, and look what I've
> found on Klaus Beschorner's site:
>
> 'The so-called NDR-Radio Session (Froese-Schnitzler-Oldfield) was a
> track by Gandalf'
>
> So, maybe this is the track. Klaus, if you have a recording of this
> so-called NDR-Radio Session, could you please compare it with the mp3 at
> http://www.tubular-world.com/download/#special
Antonio. I went to the site above. Which one should I download? I'd like to
hear this track. It was supposedly produced by E.Frose, right? Or am I totally
lost in this thread?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Jeffrey Au Yeung
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:56
am
Subject: [tadream] OT: Mike Oldfield Man In The Rain Maxi CD
Just in case anybody is interested, I have a spare
Maxi CD 'Man In The Rain' I can offer for trade.
Jeffrey
--- TheInfection wrote: >
I'm just wondering... how many of you listens to
> Mike
> Oldfield's music? I know that few of you are
> familiar
> with him.
>
> I found his music just recently when I bought Five
> Miles Out. Then I bought his stuff from 70's and
> 90's.
> I am pretty tolerant and I can very well listen the
> original Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3. My most
> played albums currently are Ommadawn, Orchestral
> Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
>
> Toughts? Opinions? Anything?
>
> Regards,
> TheInfection
>
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:15
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT-Mike Oldfield
Yes! Oldfield is one of my all time favorites too. Tom's list below is a
nice place to start, but...
> Hergest Ridge
> Ommadawn
> Anorak
I think he means Amarok...(isn't an anorak like an eskimo suit or
something?)
> Millennium Bell
> Guitar
> Tubular Bells 3
and also Incantations, which fits in nicely with Tubular Bells, Hergest and
Omma. What about Crisis? What about QE2? What about Platinum? They all
have great moments, though there are some songs that aren't as compelling
there in the 80-90's period.
> Some of his music features singers which (although
> not my favorites) I still like.
I dig Maggie Reilly's voice, bad. One of the few female singers I can get
into...
Craig
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:19
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: bourbon st. atari party
> > Typical 88 show, nice audience recording.
> > This is the complete show, put to CD from the master
> > by the taper (if I recall correctly).
>
> Actually the master tape has been lost through the years. This show was
> transferred from a very clean and well preserved first gen. source. No
> noise reduction or equalization was used.
Now Kev, how would you know that? :-)
From:
'armin_theissen'
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:32
am
Subject: Re: [tree] the database
Thanks, Joe. My country of residence is, however, Ireland (meanwhile),
not the UK. Conrad Gibbons was so kind in offering me to be a
leave on his branch (oh god, how does this sound...)
armin
Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com
--- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> I've taken down the static version of the Tangerine Tree
participants' table
> until I can update it, to avoid confusion. there have been changes
and
> additions that I haven't had time to update in the static version.
they are
> accurate in the database version. in the meantime, use the
yahoogroups
> database :
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
>
> thnaks,
> Joe
From:
TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 10:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cincinnati Concert CANCELED
>Martin
>------
>Since some people are still trying to get their money back from the venues
that sold tickets and were then cancelled, perhaps TDI should maintain a
link to the explanation as to why the tour was first rescheduled and then
cancelled. Some venues are putting out bogus information, for example, the
TD had a fight with their label -- ridiculous since they own their own
label. This bogus information is casting TD in a bad light.
>
*dear list,
I will suggest to the list master to insert the info into the site again.
The problem is that both the TDI and the TD-sites are pretty much in limbo
at the moment, as they are awaiting a complete overhaul and combination of
the two site within the next 4 weeks. But I think you are right that the
info should still be present if there are still people who haven´t got
their tickets returned. The truth behind the record company going bankrupt
is actually that our US-distributor, Valley Media, went bankrupt after 9-11
- this meant that we lost out on the only way we could have compensated the
the financial losses due to the high number of off-days that were still in
the itinerary: by increased record sales. But the promotional benefits such
a tour would have provoked would have been utterly futile if we did not
have the product in the shops to supply the demand we would have created.
Thus, even our 'last straw' to save the tour crumbled due to the demise of
Valley.
>Mike
>----
>To the best of my knowledge the story is basically this: As you probably
know, a U.S. tour was originally scheduled for the autumn. Then September
11 happened and at the last minute, a lot of tours were cancelled by a lot
of performers. In the tumult, TDI decided to reschedule to Feb-Mar 2002.
I'm sure you agree that the tour should have been delayed.
>
>Delaying the tour seemed fine at first, but the tour organizers here in
the U.S. couldn't put together enough venues at enough halls to fill out
the tour. So TDI decided to fill with smaller venues, like Bogart's -- I'm
sure you'd have to agree that Bogart's is an awfully small venue for a band
like TD -- and proceed with the tour anyway as it had been 10 years since
they toured the U.S. But still, there was too much slack time between
venues for the band to even break even financially -- staff has to be paid
every day -- so the entire tour had to be cancelled.
>
(snip)
*Mark - we couldn´t have described it better. I can only thank you highly
for this detailed explanation.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 10:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cincinnati Concert CANCELED
Hi All. I think a bit of explanation may be in order.
I began corresponding with Mike, the fellow who started this thread, as I'm
also from Ohio and planned to attend the concert at Bogart's in Cincinnati. I
directed him to the TDI site for an explanation only to be informed by him that
he couldn't find it. So I paraphrased TDI's article and also sent a copy to
Martin.
Martin responded by posting to the list. So that's how it magically appeared as
a reply, seemingly out of nowhere.
Ciao -- Mark
TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>
> >Martin
> >------
> >Since some people are still trying to get their money back from the venues
> that sold tickets and were then cancelled, perhaps TDI should maintain a
> link to the explanation as to why the tour was first rescheduled and then
> cancelled. Some venues are putting out bogus information, for example, the
> TD had a fight with their label -- ridiculous since they own their own
> label. This bogus information is casting TD in a bad light.
> >
> *dear list,
> I will suggest to the list master to insert the info into the site again.
> The problem is that both the TDI and the TD-sites are pretty much in limbo
> at the moment, as they are awaiting a complete overhaul and combination of
> the two site within the next 4 weeks. But I think you are right that the
> info should still be present if there are still people who haven´t got
> their tickets returned. The truth behind the record company going bankrupt
> is actually that our US-distributor, Valley Media, went bankrupt after 9-11
> - this meant that we lost out on the only way we could have compensated the
> the financial losses due to the high number of off-days that were still in
> the itinerary: by increased record sales. But the promotional benefits such
> a tour would have provoked would have been utterly futile if we did not
> have the product in the shops to supply the demand we would have created.
> Thus, even our 'last straw' to save the tour crumbled due to the demise of
> Valley.
>
> >Mike
> >----
> >To the best of my knowledge the story is basically this: As you probably
> know, a U.S. tour was originally scheduled for the autumn. Then September
> 11 happened and at the last minute, a lot of tours were cancelled by a lot
> of performers. In the tumult, TDI decided to reschedule to Feb-Mar 2002.
> I'm sure you agree that the tour should have been delayed.
> >
> >Delaying the tour seemed fine at first, but the tour organizers here in
> the U.S. couldn't put together enough venues at enough halls to fill out
> the tour. So TDI decided to fill with smaller venues, like Bogart's -- I'm
> sure you'd have to agree that Bogart's is an awfully small venue for a band
> like TD -- and proceed with the tour anyway as it had been 10 years since
> they toured the U.S. But still, there was too much slack time between
> venues for the band to even break even financially -- staff has to be paid
> every day -- so the entire tour had to be cancelled.
> >
> (snip)
>
> *Mark - we couldn´t have described it better. I can only thank you highly
> for this detailed explanation.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> www.tdimusic.com
>
> Have a nice day!
>
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 10:23
am
Subject: RE: How I started listening to TD
--- John Vertical wrote:
> How many TD albums do you approximately get in a
> year? Bootlegs, alternate
> releases etc. do of course count.
Last year I bought about 30 Tangerine Dream -albums
including one bootleg. But of course that was my first
TD-year. And it all started from Livemiles. All
together I bought about 70 cd's and couple lp's. I
know, I have a problem...
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 10:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD with MO?
Mark Filipak wrote:
>
> Antonio. I went to the site above. Which one should I download? I'd like to
hear this track. It was supposedly produced by E.Frose, right? Or am I totally
lost in this thread?
Apparently the track was removed from that site. Perhaps they also came
to the conclusion that it had nothing to do with Mike Oldfield.
Antonio
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT-Mike Oldfield
On the Poland TD CD, I notice in the first piece similar patters to MO's
Tubular Bells, toward the middle to end of TB. In fact some of the first
piece has that flavor. I wonder if it is a mood?
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'C. Chambers'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT-Mike Oldfield
> Yes! Oldfield is one of my all time favorites too. Tom's list below is a
> nice place to start, but...
>
> > Hergest Ridge
> > Ommadawn
> > Anorak
>
> I think he means Amarok...(isn't an anorak like an eskimo suit or
> something?)
>
>
> > Millennium Bell
> > Guitar
> > Tubular Bells 3
>
> and also Incantations, which fits in nicely with Tubular Bells, Hergest
and
> Omma. What about Crisis? What about QE2? What about Platinum? They all
> have great moments, though there are some songs that aren't as compelling
> there in the 80-90's period.
>
> > Some of his music features singers which (although
> > not my favorites) I still like.
>
> I dig Maggie Reilly's voice, bad. One of the few female singers I can get
> into...
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:36
pm
Subject: [tree] database updated
the participant's database is updated at yahoo.com
The following assignments were made:
Jim Moore redbook leaf assigned to Craig Chambers
Sean Montgomery redbook leaf assigned to Éric Rochon
Alan Miller redbook branch assigned to Neil Jellis
Robert Kostecki redbook leaf has been assigned to Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
Michael Surber is assigned to Daniel Hobrecht
Daniel Hobrecht assigned to Michael Piersanti
Thomas Bertilsson redbook leaf assigned to Gabe Yedid
Blue Fungus redbook branch assigned to Vince LeGrand
Larry J Abballe redbook leaf assigned to Craig Claerbaut
Mark Mayhall Redbook branch assigned to Mark Filipak
Alvaro Pachecol Redbook leaf assigned to Roger Roden
Jens Kilian Redbook leaf assigned to Arne Richter
Yannick Edom assigned to Hilary Wright
Kent Eskildsen assigned to Michael Bonde
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:12
pm
Subject: Re: TD with MO
>So, maybe this is the track. Klaus, if you have a recording of this
> so-called NDR-Radio Session, could you please compare it with the mp3
By now it should be perfectly clear that Mark regards me as a
complete maniac ;-)
Even suggesting that I might have kept copies of each and every
mislabeled track/concert is highly offensive !
Suggesting that I'd even consider to compare any of them to the endless
realms of mis-labeled shit on the net would have been enough to
demand satisfaction only a few decades ago !
;-) ;-) ;-)
cheers,
klaus
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:14
pm
Subject: Re: TD and MO
...ooops, sorry, it was Antonio who wrote that bit, not Mark!
but my comments still stand ;-)
klaus
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD with MO
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> Even suggesting that I might have kept copies of each and every
> mislabeled track/concert is highly offensive !
It wasn't meant to be offensive. Quite the contrary, I only mentioned
your name because I consider you a TD connoisseur. Sorry if I am wrong
;-)
Antonio Nunes
np: Gandalf - Journey to an imaginary Land
From:
tom george
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:30
pm
Subject: OT Mike Oldfield
Ha Ha Ha how right you are Craigo. I expected lots
more ribbing for that. Anorak indeed!
> Yes! Oldfield is one of my all time favorites too.
> Tom's list below is a
> nice place to start, but...
>
> > Hergest Ridge
> > Ommadawn
> > Anorak
>
> I think he means Amarok...(isn't an anorak like an
> eskimo suit or
> something?)
>
>
> > Millennium Bell
> > Guitar
> > Tubular Bells 3
>
> and also Incantations, which fits in nicely with
> Tubular Bells, Hergest and
> Omma. What about Crisis? What about QE2? What
> about Platinum? They all
/
>
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD and MO
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> ...ooops, sorry, it was Antonio who wrote that bit, not Mark!
>
> but my comments still stand ;-)
And I hate sourkruat. -- Mark
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 5:12
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
A couple of years ago I had the great fortune of visiting a museum of
natural history in Houston, Texas. As I wandered through the prehistoric
section of dinosaurs and slabs of trees, I couldn't help but notice the
music being played as background. My idea was that it was no where near as
appropriate as would have been Fauni-Gena which I believe refers to
animals-plants. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fauni-Gena
>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:59:08 +0100
>
>I always liked this title track.
>For me it gives it a sort of pre-historic edge
>to it and not only the title track does give it
>that but also most certainly the music.
>It's also nice to know that there are some quite
>good sounding live recordings from that time.
>I like those atmospheric passages even if there
>is no sequencer in it. :-)
>
>Marcel
>http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
>mengels@w...
>
>
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From:
cosmos1@w...
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 8:52
am
Subject: ebay
the last day of this rare items.
edgar froese - ages cd
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1513413789
klaus kruger - collection cd
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1513420802
regards
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From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 12:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1238
All
together I bought about 70 cd's and couple lp's. I
know, I have a problem...
The only problem I see is that you may run out of money before you can
buy enough TD stuff. . .
Regards,
DPH
From:
kassel24@h...
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:29
pm
Subject: Rubycon SACD
If anyone is thinking of buying the SACD Rubycon, don't bother at the moment
... unless you have a SACD player or intend to buy one shortly.
The difference between the current Audio CD and SACD 'versions' when played
back on 'standard' CD players is negligiable.
And if you are interested I notice that Players are being developed for a
one box
solution that will playback MP3/DVD-A/DVD/SACD/CD/CD-DA/VCD/Super VCD/CVD
all in one player aimed at the lower end of the
mass-market...............now thats interesting?
I will be getting mine when it comes out....... lets hope it is out soon?
From:
'heineu'
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject:
Hi all,
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Ashra - @shra Vol. 1 Live in Japan 1997 (Re-Release on MG.ART 201)/
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MG.ART 202 / Euro 19
and
Ashra - The making of... (3CD box) MG.ART 203 (music from the
Correlation Sessions) / Euro 40
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If you interested in,please contact me off-list.
For more information visit my HP: www.tribute-to-ashra.de
Regards
heiko
also on ebay my new shop: HN.ARTShop www.ebayshops.de/hnartshop
From:
'Vincent Goudreault'
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:39
pm
Subject: Re: How I started listening to TD
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:23:34 -0800 (PST)
From: TheInfection
Subject: RE: How I started listening to TD
--- John Vertical wrote:
> How many TD albums do you approximately get in a
> year? Bootlegs, alternate
> releases etc. do of course count.
Last year I bought about 30 Tangerine Dream -albums
including one bootleg. But of course that was my first
TD-year. And it all started from Livemiles. All
together I bought about 70 cd's and couple lp's. I
know, I have a problem...
Regards,
TheInfection
=====
No, you have a problem when you'll have to STOP, having
run out of things to buy.
C.B.V.Goudreault
on line since 1992, TD fan since 1977
First exposure: Stratosfear
Fave albums: Ricochet & Rubycon
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Gustavo Jobim
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: How I started listening to TD
>No, you have a problem when you'll have to STOP, having
>run out of things to buy.
Then just starting buying Schulze....
Then J.S. Bach. You'll die before you buy all that. :)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
René Brenner
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 10:46
pm
Subject: order from tdimusic.de
Hi all
Does anyone know if you can order other stuff than TD t-shirts directly from
tdimusic.de website ? Like some regular CD's? Or is it better to buy them
somehwere else.
Thanks
René
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
Have you tried this: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html ?
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: René Brenner [mailto:rebrenne@s...]On Behalf
> Of René Brenner
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:47 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know if you can order other stuff than TD
> t-shirts directly from
> tdimusic.de website ? Like some regular CD's? Or is it better
> to buy them
> somehwere else.
>
> Thanks
> René
>
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
----- Original Message -----
From: 'René Brenner'
> Does anyone know if you can order other stuff than TD t-shirts directly
from
> tdimusic.de website ? Like some regular CD's? Or is it better to buy them
> somehwere else.
As a registered business, planning to set up some sort of mailorder shop, I
was told I had to make a minimum order for 50 CDs for my first order, and
also estimate how many CDs I would buy each quarter after that. And payment
in advance.
I have no idea what terms private persons that wants to buy a couple of CDs
would get.
Glenn
From:
René Brenner
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
Hmm
Looks like a secret link ;)
René
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 00:33:04 +0100, Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz wrote:
> Have you tried this: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html ?
>
> 'Jerry'
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 5:49
am
Subject: Some New TD Related Samplers
Here are a few new TD related samplers I have come across in the last few
weeks:
NIGHT PASSAGES demixed (Dramtleitung Zwei) - Dorobo 011 from Australia
- contains a 19:12 long track by Lustmord (which is Brian Williams & Paul
Haslinger)
This CD was actually released in 1996
SYNTHESIZER GREATEST Volume 5 - CND Music/Arcade 22 204342 from Germany,
2001
- conatins 'One for the Books' by Froese/Haslinger and played by STAR, INC.
ORB - AUNTIE AUBREY'S EXCURSIONS BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY Part 2 -
Deviant/Ultra Records UL 1093-2, 2001
- contains TD's 'Towards the Evening Star (Mandarin Cream Mix)'
Now a quick off-topic about EBAY. I lost an auction for the CD by DEUTER
'SILENCE IS THE ANSWER'. After a few days EBAY sends me a 'sorry you lost
message' with alternatives that their seach engine found. One item that was
identified was '11 NAKED MEN 1 HEADLESS...'. How in the heck did this match
the CD I was bidding on? - I haven't the foggiest idea ;-)))
Vic
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:47
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
Not exactly. Do the following:
1. Go to the http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html
2. From the left side menu choose Merchandise
3. Go to the bottom of the right side frame
4. Just click on the StimPack 5 link
That's all!
cheers
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: René Brenner [mailto:rebrenne@s...]On Behalf
> Of René Brenner
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:58 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
>
>
> Hmm
> Looks like a secret link ;)
>
> René
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 00:33:04 +0100, Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz wrote:
> > Have you tried this:
> http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html ?
> >
> > 'Jerry'
>
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>
From:
'Kevin Robert Ball'
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:27
am
Subject: Mick Tucker-RIP
I have just sadly read that the ex-Sweet Drummer Mick Tucker has died, aged
54.
I know he might mean nothing to a lot of non-Brit's, or any under30's, but
the Sweet were one of my favourite bands as a teenager, and Mick is the
second member to die.
RIP
Sorry to post off topic.
Kevin.
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some New TD Related Samplers
At 12:49 AM 2/17/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Now a quick off-topic about EBAY. I lost an auction for the CD by DEUTER
>'SILENCE IS THE ANSWER'. )
>Vic
Hi Vic, I have this CD (and many others) as I'm a fan of Deuter. Don't let
Edgar know that you're buying music other than TD? ;-)
Oscar
http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mick Tucker-RIP
Thanks for the notification. Ballroom Blitz is a
classic song; the Sweet were one of the great bands of
their time.
--- Kevin Robert Ball
wrote:
> I have just sadly read that the ex-Sweet Drummer
> Mick Tucker has died, aged
> 54.
>
> I know he might mean nothing to a lot of non-Brit's,
> or any under30's, but
> the Sweet were one of my favourite bands as a
> teenager, and Mick is the
> second member to die.
>
> RIP
>
> Sorry to post off topic.
>
> Kevin.
>
>
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some New TD Related Samplers
In a message dated 2/17/02 12:53:18 AM, tangerinedream@a... writes:
>NIGHT PASSAGES demixed (Dramtleitung Zwei) - Dorobo 011 from Australia
>- contains a 19:12 long track by Lustmord (which is Brian Williams & Paul
>Haslinger)
>This CD was actually released in 1996
This is correct, but just FYI, Haslinger isn't always involved with Lustmord.
Most of the time it's just Brian Williams. So don't go rushing out to buy all
the Lustmord albums you can find just for the sake of completism. ;)
A review of 'Night Passage demixed' can be found here:
http://archive.awrc.com/v/night_passage_demixed.html
--Daniel
NP: Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
From:
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 7:01
pm
Subject: sale list !!!!
Hi all,
I have an list with many Klaus Schulze items for sale. If you interested in let
me know, I will send you the list in Word Format or on normal email.
Regards
heiko
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: KS 'Jubilee Edition' on Ebay ends 6:45PM GMT, next Sunday
I hate to have to sell this, but I need the money. I've never sold on ebay, so
a friend of mine with a proven track record and excellent rating is doing it
for me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515807482
The auction ends next Sunday at 10:45AM Pacific U.S. time, 1:45PM Eastern U.S.
time, 6:45PM GMT, 7:45PM in Germany.
I do have the 'Ultimate Edition' so that softens the blow.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
tangram12@a...
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:26
pm
Subject: vinyl on ebay
hi
i have just listed all my vinyl TD records on ebay as i need to make a bit of
room.
just search under seller duncan41
thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: TD anagrams
So I wasn't really doing anything important at work, I went to this anagram
page, http://ag.arrak.fi/index_en.html , and I put 'tangerine dream' to see
what I would get. Some interesting things, check them out:
meandering rate
gendarmerie ant
gendarme retina
maitre endanger
tamarind greene
dementia garner
dreamer antigen
argentine dream
dreaming neater
germania tender
arrangement die
germane trained
tangram needier
amen intergrade
armed tangerine
dm iran teenager
the full list (lots and lots of them) is at
http://cgi.arrak.fi/cgi-bin/agserv2.pl?sourcetext=tangerine+dream&lang=Engli
sh&lines=500&maxword=2&outlang=en
.
now this is a small list of anagrams in German:
http://cgi.arrak.fi/cgi-bin/agserv2.pl?sourcetext=tangerine+dream&lang=Germa
n&lines=500&maxword=2&outlang=en
with things like 'mandarine gerte'. hmm.
now that wasn't really so constructive was it? :)
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From:
TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anagrams
>with things like 'mandarine gerte'. hmm.
>
>now that wasn't really so constructive was it? :)
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
No, it wasn´t, but I enjoyed it immensely, nonetheless ;-)
My favorite is 'armed tangerine'! This reminds me of the Monty
Python-sketch where a self-defense-instructor tells his pupils to attack
him with fresh fruit.
Now that would have been an appropriate name for the tree, eh?! ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anagrams
> My favorite is 'armed tangerine'! This reminds me of the Monty
> Python-sketch where a self-defense-instructor tells his pupils to attack
> him with fresh fruit.
LOL. I still remember that day when my brother and I went to the cinema,
watching three Monty Python movies in a row (Life of Brian, ..and now for
something completely different, Meaning of life). After 15 minutes into 'Life
of Brian' we could barely breath anymore because we laughed so hard, and the
rest of the audience looked at us as if we were mad.
> Now that would have been an appropriate name for the tree, eh?! ;-)
But 'arrangement die' would have been much more approriate ;-)
Regards
Heiko
P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants yet..did the
'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of you still waiting
for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
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From:
LAFOOTE@a...
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] order from tdimusic.de
Rene,
I just placed an order last Wednesday for the I-Box set and got a
confirmation the same day. The only problem is that it takes at least 7 days
or so for the Credit Card to clear their system. Otherwise they are
apparently still up and running so go ahead and order something.
http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html
Electric Mike
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anagrams
I am convince the Rutles have the CDR's.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anagrams
>
>
> > My favorite is 'armed tangerine'! This reminds me of the Monty
> > Python-sketch where a self-defense-instructor tells his pupils to attack
> > him with fresh fruit.
>
> LOL. I still remember that day when my brother and I went to the cinema,
> watching three Monty Python movies in a row (Life of Brian, ..and now for
> something completely different, Meaning of life). After 15 minutes into
'Life
> of Brian' we could barely breath anymore because we laughed so hard, and
the
> rest of the audience looked at us as if we were mad.
>
> > Now that would have been an appropriate name for the tree, eh?! ;-)
>
> But 'arrangement die' would have been much more approriate ;-)
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
> P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants yet..did the
> 'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of you still
waiting
> for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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>
>
>
From:
'Scott'
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: TD Related Samplers
>Now a quick off-topic about EBAY. I lost an auction for the CD by DEUTER
>'SILENCE IS THE ANSWER'. After a few days EBAY sends me a 'sorry you lost
>message' with alternatives that their seach engine found. One item that was
>identified was '11 NAKED MEN 1 HEADLESS...'. How in the heck did this
match
>the CD I was bidding on? - I haven't the foggiest idea ;-)))
Isn't that Deuter's latest album? :-D
Scott
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:22
pm
Subject: OT:My 'Coaster' Garden!
Ever wondered what to do with all the bad run-off CD-R & CD-RW and the
*%$%$&!!!!! AOL CD's you get as junk mail?
Well I found an artistic application for the thousands of Coasters I've
liberated from various retail establishments.
Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
You should visit this every so often to check on the growth progress of my
Coaster Garden.
If you want to send your unwanted coasters my way, feel free to email me
OFF-LIST to make arrangements
PENFOLD the PROPANE
mailto:penfold@a...
The Difference between Men and Boys is the Dangerousness of their Toys!
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From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree - first impressions
Hi Everyone,
I've just finished copying the disks for my leaves over the weekend,
so I haven't got round to listening to any of the music until this
evening. I know, I know! So... I've put on the last volume, Berlin
1976. First impressions, the quality is excellent, treble is crisp
and bass, well bass and not muffled. Mid range is clear. There are no
pops, crackles etc.
Well done to the re-engineers and Heiko for a great effort!
Thank you for sharing your work - the whole effort is a master peice
of professionalism!
One question, why have you split the Bernau concert into 13 segments?
Best wishes
Hilary
PS I'll send the copies to my leaves by the end of this week.
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anagrams
At 02.02.18-15:39, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>No, it wasn´t, but I enjoyed it immensely, nonetheless ;-)
>
>My favorite is 'armed tangerine'! This reminds me of the Monty
>Python-sketch where a self-defense-instructor tells his pupils to attack
>him with fresh fruit.
What about Pointed Sticks?
Shut UP!
Pete Isaacson
aka
°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
mailto:penfold@a...
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 8:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD anagrams
> P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants
> yet..did the
> 'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of
> you still waiting
> for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
I still can't contact my branch supplier...
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 10:30
pm
Subject: [tree] AWOL branch
i'll handle this offlist. but if anyone is having any difficulty contacting
their branchline, please let me know asap. we don't want people dangling
for long!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:Jerry@t...]
> > P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants
> > yet..did the
> > 'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of
> > you still waiting
> > for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
>
> I still can't contact my branch supplier...
From:
'Steve'
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 10:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD anagrams
Heiko said:
> P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants yet..did the
> 'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of you
> still waiting for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
My week started with the arrival of the CDRs, the worst migraine I've had in
twenty years and a dose of the flu (or whatever else the current bug that's
going around is - all I know is it's nasty!). All week I've had very little
ability to concentrate so I've been dipping into the CDRs rather than
listening to them a concert at a time. Of these concerts it's only Bernau
and Bilbao that I don't know from downloaded mp3s - the sound quality on the
'known' concerts is such that it's like I'm hearing them for the first time.
I haven't listened properly to Bilbao yet, but Bernau really surprised me.
It's got that 'sit up and listen' quality that's been missing (for me) from
TD's music for quite some years...
I'd been planning on getting the media to start writing for my leaves
yesterday, but that got interrupted when our youngest dog (Chakotay, 11
months, rescued at 6 months from an abusive home) lost his battle with his
demons and we had to have him put to sleep. Rubycon has done an awful lot of
work for me over the past 36 hours...
Steve
www.craftman.co.uk
www.rottievision.com
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 4:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT:My 'Coaster' Garden!
PENFOLD wrote:
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
That's bril, Pete.
Warning to other list members: This is just a cleavor plot by Pete to get you
to read his rant. ;-)
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 4:09
am
Subject: Fw: review - Orbital Decay at Soundscapes
This is a forward of a review from the beyond_em@yahoogroups.com list. --Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Waltzer
To: beyond_em@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:05 AM
Subject: [beyond_em] review - Orbital Decay at Soundscapes
>It's not often that I get to hear electronic music performed in the classical
Berlin school
>style, here in the Eastern part of the US. So I was pleased and encouraged to
see Bill Fox begin
>his ambitious Soundscapes series, providing a venue for this kind of music.
This is a watershed
>event, and hopefully will be a catalyst for the development of an electronic
music community in
>this area.
>
>Orbital Decay (Terry Furber and Tim Richardson of Quakertown, PA) performed at
the Ice House in
>Bethlehem, PA on Saturday February 16. Tickets were $10, a real bargain
considering that a full
>buffet was provided (by Chef Jeff) before the show and during the break. The
Ice House is a
>unique historic building which provided an excellent acoustic space.
>
>I didn't want to set my expectations too high, knowing that this was a debut
for both Soundscapes
>and for Orbital Decay. But I couldn't have been more impressed with the music
and the venue,
>overall an excellent experience!
>
>Orbital Decay played two sets and an encore, a total of a little less (I think)
than 2 hours of
>music. I'm no expert at identifying genres of electronic music, but this seemed
Berlin school to
>me, with spacey effects and analog-style sequences. The balance was about right
between the
>spacey parts and the more upbeat sequences, and the sound was quite full for
two musicians. The
>sequences and leads were catchy, and there was plenty of movement in the
background parts to keep
>things from sounding repetitive. Terry Furber did a great job on synths,
playing sound effects,
>drones, sequences and some sizzling leads. Tim Richardson proved that electric
guitar can work
>well in this style of music. He played sound effects, patterns that fit with
the sequences, and
>leads. My friend James, who is a real keyboard partisan, said this is the kind
of guitar he likes
>to hear! For the encore they cranked up the tempo a bit and displayed some
keyboard and guitar
>wizardry, playing some riffs in unison, which was even more impressive when
Terry confided
>afterwards that had not been planned.
>
>Kudos to Bill Fox for bringing this together. I sincerely hope this is just the
beginning of a
>successful endeavor to continue bringing live electronic music to the Lehigh
Valley.
>
>Greg Waltzer
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:54
am
Subject: [tree] Worker bees: please identify yourselves
Hi
The following worker bee did artwork:
Marko Marin
The following worker bees did mastering:
Jabberwock
Danish Dynamite
TENTBUCKUM
Federico
Please contact me off list. Confidentiality is guaranteed.
Thanks -- Mark
From:
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:59
am
Subject: Ashra Shop is open !!!
Hi,
today I open my little ASHRA Shop, here you found the most available CD`s and
VHS from ASHRA include the new Releases.
I hope I see you soon on my Shop. www.tribute-to-ashra.de click on the SHOP
Button.
Regards
heiko
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:51
am
Subject: Re: TD anagrams
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants
yet..did the
> 'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of you
still waiting
> for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
I got the CDrs last Friday and haven't even been able
to listen to them. I have been busy copying them for
my leaves and am ready. They will be send within a day
or 2 (so Joe/Herbert, expect them somewhere next week).
When finished converting them to audio-CDs I'm sure they
will sound good on my new big home theatre set. :-)
Grtz
Marcel
From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: Re: [tree] SHN subtree is ready to lauch
--- In tadream@y..., 'michael_berling' wrote:
>
> Disc 1 - Volume 1 (Nottingham) - 510 MB
> Disc 2 - Volume 2 & 3 (Sheffield & Bernau) - 690 MB
> Disc 3 - Volume 4 (Washington) - 641 MB
> Disc 4 - Volume 5 (Frankfurt) - 218 MB (sic!)
> Disc 5 - Volume 6 (Bilbao) - 651 MB
> Disc 6 - Volume 7 & 8 (Croydon & Berlin) - 576 MB
>
> Thus you will need at least two blank 700 MB CDs; the rest can be
650
> MB discs.
Not really an important reply but just wanted to let
you know. I was able, without overburning, to put
Disc 5 on a regular 650MB (which actually is 653.xxxxxxx Bytes).
So I needed just one 700MB CDR.
Finishing recording today.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:01
am
Subject: Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
Yahoo! Groups is considering lowering the service level of the free groups and
shifting full service to a fee-based, Premium service level. I don't think it
is feasible for this list to operate as a fee-based service. You can enter your
opinion here:
http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Groups/survey.cgi
It is not as many pages as indicated on the first page of the survey.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:17
am
Subject: Re: Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
--- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> Yahoo! Groups is considering lowering the service level of the free
groups and shifting full service to a fee-based, Premium service
level. I don't think it is feasible for this list to operate as a fee-
based service. You can enter your opinion here:
>
> http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Groups/survey.cgi
Ah so it's goodbye Yahoo then. The ads were already annoying
so I'm not complaining to leave.
It was a good place though.
Marcel
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:03
am
Subject: Replacement 'Das Wagner Desaster'
I've just received another copy of KS's 'Das Wagner Desaster' from SMD and
the end of 'Nietzsche' now plays without any trouble whatsoever on my
Marantz and (especially) my portable Sony players so it's now clear that the
first set I received was from a faulty batch, presumably a result of a flaw
in remastering. The dynamic range seems wider on the first disc of this set
as well -- almost uncomfortably so at times.
I'm beginning to think that, overall, this might be Klaus's finest
recording. There's almost a touch of madness about it at times. It's
compelling listening from beginning to end.
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 12:37
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1241
P.S.: I haven't heard any feedback from the tree participants
yet..did the
> 'Tangerine Tree' left you speechless, or is the majority of you
still waiting
> for the arrival of the CDRs :-)
I for one and still waiting for the CDRs, I have contacted my 2 leafs
with ideas on what blanks we should use. And will mail as soon as the
'masters' arrive. Waiting with breathless anticipation. :))
Regards,
DPH
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 1:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
At 02.02.19-05:01, Mark Filipak wrote:
>Yahoo! Groups is considering lowering the service level of the free groups
>and shifting full service to a fee-based, Premium service level. I don't
>think it is feasible for this list to operate as a fee-based service. You
>can enter your opinion here:
>
>http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Groups/survey.cgi
We could migrate the list to Topica, I'm subbed to a number of
lists there and a few have way more traffic
Pete Isaacson
aka
°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
mailto:penfold@a...
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 2:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
Why this talking about leaving yahoo, there will be an free version
yahoo is not sinking ( yet)
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: PENFOLD [mailto:penfold@a...]
Sent: dinsdag 19 februari 2002 14:59
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com; goblinsclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
At 02.02.19-05:01, Mark Filipak wrote:
>Yahoo! Groups is considering lowering the service level of the free
groups
>and shifting full service to a fee-based, Premium service level. I
don't
>think it is feasible for this list to operate as a fee-based service.
You
>can enter your opinion here:
>
>http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Groups/survey.cgi
We could migrate the list to Topica, I'm subbed to a number of
lists there and a few have way more traffic
Pete Isaacson
aka
°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
mailto:penfold@a...
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have
the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow at:
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tree Reviews
AAAARGH! I had been writing a review for two hours, and then an accidental
hit of the delete key erased it all! &%#*!
Yep, I already got my copy of the set. Great music!
Here are anyway some (much shorter than what I had earlier written)
summaries of the disks:
Vol. 1 & 6: Quite average. Slow melodies, feels very whole. Rhytm-vise well
structured.
Vol. 2: Very experimental, like Zeit but not as dark. Almost completely
devoid of rhytm and melody.
Vol. 3: Choral stuff and the vocals have the main role. Relaxing and
symphonic. Not much rhytm either.
Vol. 4: Has the official Monolight version and some similar but longer and
smoother compositions. The encores are great - especially the funny
arpeggios of Rain in Spain.
Vol. 5: Not much new; intro of Horizon, 2nd quarter of Logos, 2nd half of
Poland. Some extra noodlings.
Vol. 7: Psychotic. Track 2 has most of Ricochet Part 2 but with much more
intense rhytm, additional guitar and longer piano intro. The 'main theme'
and the strange middle interlude are absent.
Vol. 8: Original version of Soundmill Navigator. Intro and outro are much
shorter. Somewhat ascetic when compared to the album version.
John Vertical
PS: I'll be gone in the Netherlands until Monday...
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: WOW
I went to take the survey and they asked 'how many messages
are stored in your groups' message archive?' I added them up
(there are totals for each month available)
and came up with over 32000!
(a lot of these were brought over from the UWP list)
GOOD JOB PEOPLE!
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
>
> http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Groups/survey.cgi
From:
René Brenner
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:50
pm
Subject: Wavelength / Firestarter
Does anyone know where the Soundtrack Wavelength and Firestarter is available?
Its label is Varese Sarabande.
Thanks
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From:
'H.'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:26
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Wavelength / Firestarter
firestarter (according to the online catalog) is available at cue records
(http://www.cue-records.de/) and groove (http://www.groove.nl/).
i found no link to wavelength.
Herbert
-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: Rene Brenner [mailto:rebrenne@s...]Im Auftrag von Rene
Brenner
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Februar 2002 18:51
An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [tadream] Wavelength / Firestarter
Does anyone know where the Soundtrack Wavelength and Firestarter is
available?
Its label is Varese Sarabande.
Thanks
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
Bert's right. No need to get excited just yet.
This announcement is not news to me. It's only been a matter of 'when?',
not 'if'. Free web services do not always remain free, and we've had a good
free ride here at onelist/egroups/yahoogroups. I've done my research and
considered migrating a couple of times already but have never had a
compelling reason...yet. While topica is the strongest migration
destination candidate so far, we also have other options, but first we'll
see how this yahoogroups thing pans out.
For example, I already established a topica presence as a contingency way
back in September of 2000. I have never mentioned it here because it wasn't
necessary, but if and when the time comes to migrate, I already have a house
to move into, so to speak. I perform and archive regular backups of the
subscriber roster, so porting it over will be seamless to you folks; the
minimal impact on subscribers will involve things like changing your e-mail
filters from 'yahoogroups' to 'topica'.
The main consideration is our huge library of messages, as James pointed
out. I'm on this, too; a friend is writing a script for me that will 'mine'
the remote yahoogorups database and store all messages into a local db. If
it works, then we are 'have archive will travel'.
But again, no need for worry or anything yet. Don't worry - I'll keep
everyone informed.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hulshoff, Bert [mailto:bert.hulshoff@d...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
>
>
> Why this talking about leaving yahoo, there will be an free version
> yahoo is not sinking ( yet)
>
> Bert
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From:
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:00
pm
Subject: rare Klaus Schulze items on ebay
Hi all,
I have two rare Klaus Schulze items on ebay:
Klaus Schulze - 3 rare sheet Music booklets
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515647047
Klaus Schulze - The Works
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515647886
or look under: http://www.ebayshops.de/hnartshop
Regards
heiko
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:11
pm
Subject: OT: Saturn Occultation
Not quite TD related, but I thought you US east-coasters might
like the effect. (and you could listen to TD while you watch...)
> -----Original Message-----
> Tomorrow night, if it's clear, will be a spectacular (and very
> rare) occultation of Saturn, when the first quarter Moon will
> eclipse
> Saturn. The effect, through binoculars or a small telescope,
> will be to
> see the rings and then the planet itself gobbled up by the
> mountains and
> canyons of the Moon. It'll also show some of the mountains at the
> eclipse point in spectacular silhouette.
>
> The eclipse-occultation will occur at 5:55 p.m. on Wednesday in Ames.
> It'll begin before sunset west of the Missouri River and will
> end before
> sunset (totally invisible) before sunset west of the Colorado
> River. The
> most spectacular view will be on the East Coast. It also won't be
> visible north of a line running from Fargo to Salt Lake City to Santa
> Barbara.
>
For more information, see
http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/occultations/article_297_1.asp
A map can be found at http://skyandtelescope.com/mm_images/2496.gif
Times on the map are given in Greenwich time, which is 6 hours ahead of
CST.
From:
tangram12@a...
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:11
pm
Subject: new email
hi
i am in the process of changing ISP's as i am fed up with AOL.
my new email address is:-
tangram@t...
or you can use
tangram@t...
please make changes in your address book
thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:17
pm
Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
I for one would like to applaud you for your foresight on this!
Thanks Joe, for keeping the list alive and kicking!
James
> -----Original Message-----
> For example, I already established a topica presence as a
> contingency way back in September of 2000.
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:31
pm
Subject: re: Rubycon SACD
>The difference between the current Audio CD and SACD 'versions' when played
back on 'standard' CD players is negligiable.<
hmm, so what you are saying is what exactly?
the audio cd layer is
a) the same as the existing sbm version?
b) not from the one-bit stream that was used for the SACD?
c) similar to the original virgin (non-sbm) CD issue?
I was under the impression that the bilayer disc used 2001
remasters--implying for both the audio and SA CD....
Can someone shed light on this?
--T (DVD and SACD players-challenged)
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:18
pm
Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Yahoo! to charge fee for Yahoo! Groups?
At 02.02.19-14:09, Joe Shoults wrote:
> This announcement is not news to me. It's only been a matter of
> 'when?', not 'if'. Free web services do not always remain free, and
> we've had a good free ride here at onelist/egroups/yahoogroups. I've
> done my research and considered migrating a couple of times already but
> have never had a compelling reason...yet. While topica is the strongest
> migration destination candidate so far, we also have other options, but
> first we'll see how this yahoogroups thing pans out.
>
>For example, I already established a topica presence as a contingency way
>back in September of 2000. I have never mentioned it here because it
>wasn't necessary, but if and when the time comes to migrate, I already
>have a house to move into, so to speak. I perform and archive regular
>backups of the subscriber roster, so porting it over will be seamless to
>you folks; the minimal impact on subscribers will involve things like
>changing your e-mail filters from 'yahoogroups' to 'topica'.
I'm subbed to over 10 lists on Topica, one of which generates
*way* more traffic and has 36K+ of archived posts dating back to at least
1997 I belive.
If the Gigsville Village ML can support the traffic we toss at it,
the TD list should be no problem.
Pete Isaacson
aka
°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
mailto:penfold@a...
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new email
smart move
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:11 PM
Subject: [tadream] new email
> hi
> i am in the process of changing ISP's as i am fed up with AOL.
>
> my new email address is:-
> tangram@t...
> or you can use
> tangram@t...
>
> please make changes in your address book
>
>
> thanks
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> tangram@t...
>
> www.tadream.co.uk
>
> ICQ 41739379
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:40
pm
Subject: test
just a test to see if my email is working yet
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: test
just a test to see if my new email is working on the groups.
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 11:22
am
Subject: Edgar Froese covers wanted
Hi guys,
I just myself a brand spanking new printer, and now I want to print off some
decent covers (and CD labels) for the following:
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
Macula Transfer
Kamikaze 1989
This has probably cropped up here endless times before, but can anyone point me
in the right direction?
Regards
Roger Hartopp
--
Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie!
[ http://oferty.onet.pl ]
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:53
pm
Subject: OT Glitch In Blue
Hi folks,
Does anyone here have KS's In Blue, ZYX 90001-2 ? There's this small glitch
at 46:52 in CD1, I wonder if anyone else also has this or it's only in my
copy.
it's great album btw.
see ya
GJ
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 12:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
Hi GJ,
I've just re-listened to this CD and yes it's on my copy too and
sounds like a very tiny burst of static.... hadn't noticed it before
but I've no doubt I always will now :o(
Doesn't detract from an excellent album though !!
I'm not sure critique at this level is what listening to music is all
about though ? Discuss......
ATB Phil
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: OT Glitch In Blue
> Hi GJ,
> I've just re-listened to this CD and yes it's on my copy too and
> sounds like a very tiny burst of static.... hadn't noticed it before
> but I've no doubt I always will now :o(
I'm sorry about that! At least now I know my copy isn't bad.
> I'm not sure critique at this level is what listening to music is all
> about though ? Discuss......
I don't think I can say what listening to music is about. But for me it's
one of the best things to do.
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar Froese covers wanted
I can supply the complete artwork for Epsilon and partial one for Kamikaze
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:22 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Edgar Froese covers wanted
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I just myself a brand spanking new printer, and now I want to
> print off some decent covers (and CD labels) for the following:
>
> Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
> Macula Transfer
> Kamikaze 1989
>
> This has probably cropped up here endless times before, but
> can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> Regards
> Roger Hartopp
>
> -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
I will have a copy soon...
'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:54 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
>
>
> Hi folks,
> Does anyone here have KS's In Blue, ZYX 90001-2 ? There's
> this small glitch
> at 46:52 in CD1, I wonder if anyone else also has this or
> it's only in my
> copy.
> it's great album btw.
> see ya
> GJ
>
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From:
Tom Richmond
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:02
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales II Tree Structure
Thought this would be out sooner, sorry.
Branches please note that an alternate version of the DTS track is available
at the Olyam website. Verify with your leaves which version they need.
Branches and leaves please contact each other! The only problems we had
last time were due to lack of communication.
Thanks and enjoy the music!
Europe:
Fred Yargui - fredericyargui@w...
Marion Horrod - horrod6@n...
Ray Hallett - kassel24@h...
Steve Yensen - Stephen.Yensen@s...
Neil Jellis - NJellis@c...
Andrew Prime - andrew@a...
Daniel Fishman - Daniel.Fishman@l...
Roger Hartopp - gmroger@p...
Duncan McKee - Tangram12@a...
Mikael Runsten - micke.stark@g...
Hilary Wright - Hilary.Wright@N...
Simon Pride - spride@c...
Olle Rundgren - Olle.Rundgren@s...
Steve Jenkins - steve@l...
Jerome Olivier - jerome.olivier4@w...
Conrad Gibbons - Conrad.Gibbons@l...
Grant Somerville - grant.somerville@v...
Sean McEvoy - hawkmoor2000@y...
Paul Fellows - pfellows@c...
Jerome Salyers - ssaalyersjj@y...
Nicola Cont - Nicola@c...
Kostas Karlis - koulos@s...
Antonio Nunes - np97fa@m...
USA, etc.
Tom Richmond (trichmond@b...)
Mike Surber (msurber@m...)
Mike Daniels (daniels@l...)
Jeff Stevenson (greymane@k...)
Thomas Bertilsson (thomasbertilsson@h...)
Mike Fox (mfox@i...)
Craig Claerbaut (craigc@s...)
Deb Johnson (dhj4@y...)
John McIntyre (mcintyre@p...)
John Gentile (jmg_piano_man@y...)
Tim Lemon (timl@g...)
James Owens (James.E.Owens@m...)
Rich Maggio (maggior@m...)
Greg Waltzer (gwaltzer@o...)
Dell Outland (outlanda60@h...)
Dan Eberly (DanEberly@a...)
Craig Chambers (craig.chambers@m...)
Vic Rek (tangerinedream@a...)
Roger Smith (rogersmith3@h...)
Neal Frost (strat95@B...)
Dan Downey (djambient@y...)
Steven Feldman (scfeldman@j...)
Oscar Dean (stuntman@m...)
Mark Filipak (filipak@e...)
Steve Whiteley (steve.whiteley@s...)
Dan Jones (dxkim@y...)
Ken Beal (kwb10@c...)
Joe Shoults (jshoults@f...)
Frank Arellano (farellano@s...)
Pete Isaacson (penfold@a...)
Dave Brewer (deibu@i...)
Alan Benson (albenson@n...)
Thomas Barkhurst (teiwazbarana@h...)
John Poer (jmpoer@i...)
Dale Kay (admin@k...)
Rogelio Cavazos (tranceroy@y...)
Paul Ellis (Synthhtnys@a...)
Colin Anderson (roganjosho@o...)
John Field (roganjosho@o...)
John Marchington (johnm@p...)
Gustavo Jobim (gustavojobim@n...)
Tom George (eloy_usa@y...)
Note: Your source is the first person above you in the column left of you.
For example:
Tom Richmond (me) is the source for:
Mike Surber
James Owens
Steve Whiteley
Colin Anderson
Tom George
If there are any questions, please contact me and I'll do my best to clear
them up. Fred and I already have our source copies, so branches should see
their copies shortly. Artwork is available via the tadream website.
Cheers!
Tom
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil White
>I'm not sure critique at this level is what listening to music is all
>about though ? Discuss......
The glitch you mentioned has nothing to do with the music but is tied to the
listening experience because we hear it. It won't ruin a good composition. But
for some, it could, however minisculey, affect one's enjoyment of the
experience. And for those of us who fancy ourselves recording engineers, how
well something is recorded is important, at least on some levels.
Cheers,
Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration.
Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
it is a copyright glitch
similar to adding a fake town misspelled town name on a map.
:-)
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bill Fox'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil White
> >I'm not sure critique at this level is what listening to music is all
> >about though ? Discuss......
>
> The glitch you mentioned has nothing to do with the music but is tied to
the
> listening experience because we hear it. It won't ruin a good
composition. But
> for some, it could, however minisculey, affect one's enjoyment of the
> experience. And for those of us who fancy ourselves recording engineers,
how
> well something is recorded is important, at least on some levels.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
>
============================================================================
===
> Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays
at
> 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
> Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay
consideration.
> Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
> Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
> To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 10:42
pm
Subject: [tree] I'm only tracking DOWNtrades, not UP.
FYI: to avoid any confusion...
Definitions:
DOWNtrade = passing Tangerine Tree music CDs DOWN the
branchline to your leaves or subordinate
branches
UPtrade = whatever you send UP the branchline to your
branch in compensation for the DOWNtrade
that they send you.
I created a 'Trade Status' field in the database for tracking trades. This
field is ONLY for recording DOWNtrade status to ensure and record proper
progress of the CDs _DOWN_ the tree hierarchy. Attempting to record
UPtrades would be too chaotic, irrelevant and time-consuming, not to mention
paternal. :)
Thanks,
Joe
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From:
kassel24@h...
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:55
am
Subject: Rubycon SACD
More.....................
'As pointed out SACD and the Audio CD layer are quite different from each
other....
I pointed out that if anyone is getting the SACD version, hoping for a
better
conventional Audio CD quality, this is not a improvement over the current
audio standard version. However if you play back the SACD version on a
SACD player you will derive approx 60% better sound quality over the normal
CD.'
>The difference between the current Audio CD and SACD 'versions' when played
back on 'standard' CD players is negligible.<
'hmm, so what you are saying is what exactly? the audio cd layer is a) the
same as the existing sbm version? b) not from the one-bit stream that was
used for the SACD? c) similar to the original virgin (non-sbm) CD issue? I
was under the impression that the bilayer disc used 2001
remasters--implying for both the audio and SA CD.... Can someone shed light
on this? --T (DVD and SACD players-challenged)'
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 2:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese covers wanted
Hi Roger,
I did a search and came up with this URL that shows a list of websites
specialising in CD covers. I found the top one works well (I was looking for
Klaus Schulze's 'Cyborg') but there is a bit of a knack in actually getting
to the stage where the artwork appears. If you have difficulty, get back to
me off line and I'll give you a step-by-step list of instructions.
Here's the URL I spoke of :-
http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Collecting/Compact_Disc/Cover_Ima
ges/
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Roger Hartopp'
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:22 AM
Subject: [tadream] Edgar Froese covers wanted
> Hi guys,
>
> I just myself a brand spanking new printer, and now I want to print off
some decent covers (and CD labels) for the following:
>
> Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
> Macula Transfer
> Kamikaze 1989
>
> This has probably cropped up here endless times before, but can anyone
point me in the right direction?
>
> Regards
> Roger Hartopp
>
>
>
> --
>
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> [ http://oferty.onet.pl ]
>
>
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>
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 2:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
Hi Gustavo,
I got my copy of 'In Blue' at the same time as 'Das Wagner Desaster' and,
while I had a similar glitch problem with 'DWD' (also on ZYX), I don't
recall a problem with 'In Blue', but I'll play it again to be sure and let
you know one way or the other. I agree it's a great album.
I now have an excellent copy of 'DWD' by the way.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
> Hi folks,
> Does anyone here have KS's In Blue, ZYX 90001-2 ? There's this small
glitch
> at 46:52 in CD1, I wonder if anyone else also has this or it's only in my
> copy.
> it's great album btw.
> see ya
> GJ
>
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>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 3:43
am
Subject: 'Legend'
Please forgive me if this has been discussed already.
I found an excellent site:
http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/index.shtml
In addition to having just about everything you'd ever want to know about all
the various versions of 'Legend', it has this note:
'Rumored LEGEND Ultimate Edition DVD release date on May 21st, 2002.'
I wonder if it will have the Jerry Goldsmith score (probably) or TD's score.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 3:48
am
Subject: OT Glitch In Blue
Gustavo, I've just listened to it and, yes, there is a sort of 'splashy'
noise in the right channel for about a second or so at the time you
mentioned (46:52) in track 1, disc 1. I must admit I hadn't noticed it
before. I haven't mentioned this before but there is a quite loud click
early on the right hand channel in the 'Nietzsche' track in 'Das Wagner'. I
noticed in on the faulty copy that I originally had and returned and it's
present on the replacement copy too. At least this new disc plays OK so I'm
not really bothered about those sorts of incidentals.
From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
Ahh but I still hate all of you who have heard these disks. Anomalies or
not, these must be great. I hope your ears burn...
:-) in a nice way of course...
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Marchington'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT Glitch In Blue
> Gustavo, I've just listened to it and, yes, there is a sort of 'splashy'
> noise in the right channel for about a second or so at the time you
> mentioned (46:52) in track 1, disc 1. I must admit I hadn't noticed it
> before. I haven't mentioned this before but there is a quite loud click
> early on the right hand channel in the 'Nietzsche' track in 'Das Wagner'.
I
> noticed in on the faulty copy that I originally had and returned and it's
> present on the replacement copy too. At least this new disc plays OK so
I'm
> not really bothered about those sorts of incidentals.
>
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 5:26
am
Subject: Calling all Australians
Calling all Australians. Please contact me off list. I have a TD project in
mind that you can help with. Thanks -- Mark
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 10:50
am
Subject: new e-mail
Sorry about this post to the list, it's just in case Duncan's old e-mail
doesn't work any more...
Hi Duncan,
Changing computers at the moment, and your message giving your new e-mail
address got lost. Could you post it to the list again?
Cheers
Paul
From:
'tangram12'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:36
am
Subject: Re: 'Legend'
here is some info i found on the legend dvd release
http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R1&title=88464
http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=99549
only the US release is marked as having the TD soundtrack
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> Please forgive me if this has been discussed already.
>
> I found an excellent site:
>
> http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/index.shtml
>
> In addition to having just about everything you'd ever want to
know about all the various versions of 'Legend', it has this note:
>
> 'Rumored LEGEND Ultimate Edition DVD release date on May 21st,
2002.'
>
> I wonder if it will have the Jerry Goldsmith score (probably) or
TD's score.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:38
am
Subject: legend again
hi
i forgot to mention this special feature
includes The Fairy Dance, Music And Storyboards Depicting The Lost Scene
i hope there is new music in this scene :-)
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 1:04
pm
Subject: New homepage
Hello
I wasn't too pleased with all these banner ads & pop-up windows on my
old Tripod/Lycos homepage and decided to create a new one (still 'under
construction', but almost done ;-)
My new TD homepage URL is: http://www.tangerinedreamer.de
This is a domain which automatically points you to the 'real' URL
(http://www.beepworld3.de/members22/tadreamer/)
Regards
Heiko
P.S.: the old homepage (http://members.tripod.de/Network23/TD.html) will
soon be closed, but will show a link to the new URL.
From:
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 1:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Legend'
Mark Said:
> Please forgive me if this has been discussed already.
>
> I found an excellent site:
>
> http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/index.shtml
>
> In addition to having just about everything you'd ever want to know
> about all the various versions of 'Legend', it has this note:
>
> 'Rumored LEGEND Ultimate Edition DVD release date on May 21st, 2002.'
>
> I wonder if it will have the Jerry Goldsmith score (probably) or TD's
> score.
>
Yes, this is an excellent site with tons of info on the movie (including
scenes that were cut out). But there's a whole section comparing the two
soundtracks, TD's music is bashed through most of the article. The first
news a couple of years back about the new DVD set was the first time I
seriously considered buying a DVD player. This set is supposed to have the
original US cut (with TD's music), plus a longer cut with many restored
scenes (the film should make more sense now) and Goldsmith's soundtrack. I
don't think they could have used TD's music for that cut, since I think they
scored to the shorter version. I think there's a DVD coming out in the UK
next month (mentioned on that site, probably) with the original UK cut only.
Dave B. (lurking again...)
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 3:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Legend'
As I recall, the 'rumored' DVD was supposed to contain both
releases of the film in 16:9 aspect ratio (and possibly in
4:3 pan & scan). This would be really nice, since the average
'Euro' hasn't seen the version with the TD score, and the average
American (me included) hasn't seen the version with the Goldsmith
score.
Of course this is only rumor, so it's likely taken on everyone's
fantasy about the perfect version of the movie. I'm sure it
will contain at least 30 minutes of perviously unreleased footage
too ;-).
(That's a wink up there at the end of that last line. Some people
on the list obviously have no idea that when a wink appears, it
means that someone is only making an attempt at humor, and the
preceding statement has no bearing on the true feelings of the
speaker...)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
>
> Please forgive me if this has been discussed already.
> 'Rumored LEGEND Ultimate Edition DVD release date on May
> 21st, 2002.'
>
> I wonder if it will have the Jerry Goldsmith score (probably)
> or TD's score.
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Legend'
Looks like you chaps overseas are getting the shaft again...
The European release looks like it's the same as the video,
so I'd guess it has no TD score...
Oh well, at least they don't region encode CDs (yet...)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tangram12 [mailto:tangram@t...]
>
> here is some info i found on the legend dvd release
> http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R1&title=88464
> http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=99549
>
> only the US release is marked as having the TD soundtrack
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] I'm only tracking DOWNtrades, not UP.
Thanks Jerome. In this case, all I would record is that YOU have received
YOUR disks. No information has changed for your leaves as far as the
database is concerned. In other words, I'm only recording the fact that
people RECEIVE their disks. It is easy to do a sort in the database by
Trade Status to see who all has received their disk, and if they haven't,
then you can just look at who their supplier is to see where the stoppages
are.
A few people have e-mailed me letting me know that the disks are on the way
to their leaves, and this is nice to let me know, but I'll only update the
database with 'disks received' updates.
And sorry I wasn't clear; only the moderators - me, Mark, Joel, Scott - can
edit the table. The ONLY reason for this is that there is no security in
the database function at yahoogroups. If I could bind the database to our
subscribers roster, meaning I could restrict your ability to edit the table
to just your own record, then we would really have something there. But the
way it is, it is too risky to open it up, as anyone can alter or just delete
the whole table if they wanted.
BUT- you can look at the entire database in a flat text file, which you can
import into Excel. This is really easy even if you don't know your database
from a hole in the ground: just open this text file in Excel, and select
'comma delimited' when it prompts you:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/tree022102.txt
To sort by a particular column in Excel, just select ONE cell in a column
and click the little button in the toolbar that has 'A-Z' and an arrow in
it.
Joe
np: Shpongle: Divine Moments of Truth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...]
> hey, joe...
> i couldn't seem to be able to edit my trade status... hmmm...
>
> but, i've burned for one leaf and am awaiting address and shipping
> instructions...
>
> the other leaf and i can make an in-person trade, but he is
> busy and wants to
> wait until the end of march for the trade... =8^O
>
> so...
>
> ciao!
> jerome
>
>
>
> --- Joe Shoults wrote:
> > FYI: to avoid any confusion...
> >
> > Definitions:
> > DOWNtrade = passing Tangerine Tree music CDs DOWN the
> > branchline to your leaves or subordinate
> > branches
> >
> > UPtrade = whatever you send UP the branchline to your
> > branch in compensation for the DOWNtrade
> > that they send you.
> >
> > I created a 'Trade Status' field in the database for
> tracking trades. This
> > field is ONLY for recording DOWNtrade status to ensure and
> record proper
> > progress of the CDs _DOWN_ the tree hierarchy. Attempting
> to record
> > UPtrades would be too chaotic, irrelevant and
> time-consuming, not to mention
> > paternal. :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] I'm only tracking DOWNtrades, not UP.
thanks, joe
jerome
--- Joe Shoults wrote:
> Thanks Jerome. In this case, all I would record is that YOU have received
> YOUR disks. No information has changed for your leaves as far as the
> database is concerned. In other words, I'm only recording the fact that
> people RECEIVE their disks. It is easy to do a sort in the database by
> Trade Status to see who all has received their disk, and if they haven't,
> then you can just look at who their supplier is to see where the stoppages
> are.
>
> A few people have e-mailed me letting me know that the disks are on the way
> to their leaves, and this is nice to let me know, but I'll only update the
> database with 'disks received' updates.
>
> And sorry I wasn't clear; only the moderators - me, Mark, Joel, Scott - can
> edit the table. The ONLY reason for this is that there is no security in
> the database function at yahoogroups. If I could bind the database to our
> subscribers roster, meaning I could restrict your ability to edit the table
> to just your own record, then we would really have something there. But the
> way it is, it is too risky to open it up, as anyone can alter or just delete
> the whole table if they wanted.
>
> BUT- you can look at the entire database in a flat text file, which you can
> import into Excel. This is really easy even if you don't know your database
> from a hole in the ground: just open this text file in Excel, and select
> 'comma delimited' when it prompts you:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/tree022102.txt
>
> To sort by a particular column in Excel, just select ONE cell in a column
> and click the little button in the toolbar that has 'A-Z' and an arrow in
> it.
>
> Joe
>
> np: Shpongle: Divine Moments of Truth
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...]
> > hey, joe...
> > i couldn't seem to be able to edit my trade status... hmmm...
> >
> > but, i've burned for one leaf and am awaiting address and shipping
> > instructions...
> >
> > the other leaf and i can make an in-person trade, but he is
> > busy and wants to
> > wait until the end of march for the trade... =8^O
> >
> > so...
> >
> > ciao!
> > jerome
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > FYI: to avoid any confusion...
> > >
> > > Definitions:
> > > DOWNtrade = passing Tangerine Tree music CDs DOWN the
> > > branchline to your leaves or subordinate
> > > branches
> > >
> > > UPtrade = whatever you send UP the branchline to your
> > > branch in compensation for the DOWNtrade
> > > that they send you.
> > >
> > > I created a 'Trade Status' field in the database for
> > tracking trades. This
> > > field is ONLY for recording DOWNtrade status to ensure and
> > record proper
> > > progress of the CDs _DOWN_ the tree hierarchy. Attempting
> > to record
> > > UPtrades would be too chaotic, irrelevant and
> > time-consuming, not to mention
> > > paternal. :)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joe
>
>
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From:
'tangram12'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: 'Legend'
not if you have a multi region dvd player :-)
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> Looks like you chaps overseas are getting the shaft again...
> The European release looks like it's the same as the video,
> so I'd guess it has no TD score...
>
> Oh well, at least they don't region encode CDs (yet...)
>
> James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tangram12 [mailto:tangram@t...]
> >
> > here is some info i found on the legend dvd release
> > http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R1&title=88464
> > http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=99549
> >
> > only the US release is marked as having the TD soundtrack
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Legend'
But how much extra did you have to pay to get one?
I think the whole region coding thing is pretty crappy.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tangram12 [mailto:tangram@t...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:03 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: 'Legend'
>
>
> not if you have a multi region dvd player :-)
>
> Duncan
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> > Looks like you chaps overseas are getting the shaft again...
> > The European release looks like it's the same as the video,
> > so I'd guess it has no TD score...
> >
> > Oh well, at least they don't region encode CDs (yet...)
> >
> > James
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tangram12 [mailto:tangram@t...]
> > >
> > > here is some info i found on the legend dvd release
> > > http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R1&title=88464
> > > http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=99549
> > >
> > > only the US release is marked as having the TD soundtrack
>
>
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From:
Felna Greymane
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:28
pm
Subject: Legend DVD
This has been 'rumored' for over a year now....they keep pushing back the
release date. I am expecting the TD score (seems I read something about
the proposed version on a website about it a few months back).
>Please forgive me if this has been discussed already.
>
>I found an excellent site:
>
> http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/index.shtml
>
>In addition to having just about everything you'd ever want to know about
all the various versions of 'Legend', it has this note:
>
> 'Rumored LEGEND Ultimate Edition DVD release date on May 21st, 2002.'
>
>I wonder if it will have the Jerry Goldsmith score (probably) or TD's score.
>
>Ciao -- Mark
Jeff Stevenson
greymane@k...
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(also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs!
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Legend'
'Owens, James' wrote:
>
> As I recall, the 'rumored' DVD was supposed to contain both
> releases of the film in 16:9 aspect ratio (and possibly in
> 4:3 pan & scan). This would be really nice, since the average
> 'Euro' hasn't seen the version with the TD score, and the average
> American (me included) hasn't seen the version with the Goldsmith
> score.
I also have read that the deluxe edition will have two sides: the US version
with TD score on one side and the Euro version with Goldsmith score on the
other side. I certainly hope this is true. I've not heard the Goldsmith score
though of course, I'm familiar with his work. I've read that the Goldsmith
score for 'Legend' is a masterwork.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:47
am
Subject: guitars in Ricochet
Hi folks,
I've wondered more than once... who is the drummer in Ricochet? or is that
electronic? Doesn't sound electronic to me...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
KMJ
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:57
am
Subject: Re: guitars in Ricochet
> I've wondered more than once... who is the drummer in Ricochet? or is that
electronic? Doesn't sound electronic to me...
Studio overdubs on acoustic drums by Chris.
Kevin
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: KS 'Jubilee Edition' on Ebay ends Sunday, 6:45PM GMT
This will probably be the only thing I ever sell on ebay. You all know me and
that I'm not an 'entrepreur', so please don't flame me for posting this. I
simply need the money and a lot of people who may want this simply don't see
things the first time they are posted -- as amply shown by 'Tangerine Tree'
late comers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515807482
The auction ends Sunday. The current bid price is $122.50, a terrific bargain.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: guitars in Ricochet
KMJ wrote:
> > I've wondered more than once... who is the drummer in Ricochet? or is that
> electronic? Doesn't sound electronic to me...
>
> Studio overdubs on acoustic drums by Chris.
Really?? I had never heard that it was studio overdub. Where did you find
that out?
--
Kevin Keller
Composer and Producer - Classical Space Music
E-mail: kkproductions@e...
****
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Live at Morrison Planetarium, Golden Gate Park, SF
Sunday, March 24 at 8 PM
Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:23
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] KS 'Jubilee Edition' on Ebay ends Sunday, 6:45PM GMT
Damn Mark...I may buy it at tha price just to hang onto it. Even though I
have another copy.
It would easily go for twice that if the economy wasn't in the dumps.
People are just tight right now.
I will have to keep my eye on it though...may be worth more in the future.
Craig
> This will probably be the only thing I ever sell on ebay. You all
> know me and that I'm not an 'entrepreur', so please don't flame
> me for posting this. I simply need the money and a lot of people
> who may want this simply don't see things the first time they are
> posted -- as amply shown by 'Tangerine Tree' late comers.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515807482
>
> The auction ends Sunday. The current bid price is $122.50, a
> terrific bargain.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:40
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] KS 'Jubilee Edition' on Ebay ends Sunday, 6:45PM GMT
I think you folks are missing something here. That $122.00 price is not any
good because Mark has set a reserve price. The Reserve price has not been
met so noone gets anything right now.
Hope this helps,
Robert
At 11:23 PM 2/21/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Damn Mark...I may buy it at tha price just to hang onto it. Even though I
>have another copy.
>
>It would easily go for twice that if the economy wasn't in the dumps.
>People are just tight right now.
>
>I will have to keep my eye on it though...may be worth more in the future.
>
>Craig
>
>
>> This will probably be the only thing I ever sell on ebay. You all
>> know me and that I'm not an 'entrepreur', so please don't flame
>> me for posting this. I simply need the money and a lot of people
>> who may want this simply don't see things the first time they are
>> posted -- as amply shown by 'Tangerine Tree' late comers.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515807482
>>
>> The auction ends Sunday. The current bid price is $122.50, a
>> terrific bargain.
>>
>> Ciao -- Mark
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:55
pm
Subject: Chicken
This site:
http://www.messygourmet.com/creations/issue3.html
has a chicken recipe named... (you guessed it!) 'Tangerine Dream'.
It looks like it could be modified to use Eggplant instead, so Edgar could eat
it.
Chow -- Mark
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:29
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Chicken
I like the graphic they used
http://www.messygourmet.com/img/tangerinedream.jpg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:56 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Chicken
>
>
> This site:
>
> http://www.messygourmet.com/creations/issue3.html
>
> has a chicken recipe named... (you guessed it!) 'Tangerine Dream'.
>
> It looks like it could be modified to use Eggplant instead,
> so Edgar could eat it.
>
> Chow -- Mark
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] guitars in Ricochet
No, its the real McCoy all right.
Wade
--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I've wondered more than once... who is the drummer
> in Ricochet? or is that electronic? Doesn't sound
> electronic to me...
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] guitars in Ricochet
Did you guys know that the official realease of 'Music
from the 21th Century' is coming soon from GNP
Crecendo Records?
Wade
--- Wade Gordon wrote:
> No, its the real McCoy all right.
>
> Wade
> --- Gustavo Jobim
> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > I've wondered more than once... who is the drummer
> > in Ricochet? or is that electronic? Doesn't sound
> > electronic to me...
> > Gustavo Jobim
> > gustavojobim@n...
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:54
am
Subject: Brazil. Cyclone SBM
Hello collectors out there...
I don't know if I've said this before; I have a Brazilian copy of Cyclone SBM,
and I'd be willing to trade it. If anyone is interested you can contact me.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 8:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brazil. Cyclone SBM
A general thing... what's up with those SBM remastered versions from Virgin?
Is there a any big improvement when you compare the sound of an older CD with
a remastered one? I already thought about replacing my older TD Collection
from Virgin with the remastered versions.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 22:54:10 -0300, Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hello collectors out there...
>
> I don't know if I've said this before; I have a Brazilian copy of Cyclone
SBM, and I'd be willing to trade it. If anyone is interested you can contact me.
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 9:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brazil. Cyclone SBM
Although there is many opinions regarding the SBM versions of TDs older
output, but I find albums like Encore much more appealing to listen to than
the originals. In fact I purchased the original Virgin Encore CD, and I
disliked it so much that I returned it, about 6 months later, I acquired
that album again from a person who was helping me locate TD albums, but this
time it was the SBM version. I put it on and was awestruck, I immediately
fell in love with it.
But even on Encore, there is some terrible distortion, particularly on the
piano solo parts when it hits the high range. It's rather funny, though,
because it sounds so classical.. so much like you are hearing a vintage 19th
century piano recording. I would almost not want to hear a perfect version
of it.. Today, there is a bunch of electric gizmos and filters to make audio
sound tinny and old.. I find it pretty humorous!
Greg H.
NP: DJ Tiesto - Urban Train (just to play with that high pass filter :)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'René Brenner'
> A general thing... what's up with those SBM remastered versions from
Virgin?
> Is there a any big improvement when you compare the sound of an older CD
with
> a remastered one? I already thought about replacing my older TD Collection
> from Virgin with the remastered versions.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 9:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brazil. Cyclone SBM
René Brenner wrote:
>
> A general thing... what's up with those SBM remastered versions from Virgin?
> Is there a any big improvement when you compare the sound of an older CD with
> a remastered one? I already thought about replacing my older TD Collection
> from Virgin with the remastered versions.
At this point, you might as well skip a generation and wait for all the SACDs
to hit the market. The SBMs are better, but not the quantum leap that SACDs are.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 9:48
am
Subject: TDI The Keep
Hi get in quick for this bargain on E bay only 9hours to go and only
going for $382 or £266 LOL there must be plenty of wealthy TD fans
out there.
Cheers Gary.
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:34
am
Subject: Legend DVD
Just to make it clear, the American double disc DVD of Legend has been
COMPLETE since September 2000, much to the chagrin of Legend and Tangerine
Dream fans alike. I have found mostly negative reaction to the TD score
when talking to people have seen either the US version or both.
The first disc will be the American cut of the film, with the Tangerine
Dream score.
The second disc will be the never-before-seen Director's Cut which is the
UK version + even more footage and probably edited more tightly, all with
Jerry Goldsmith's score.
Both discs will be packed with features. This will indeed be an ultimate
edition.
To date, nobody has come out and said for sure just what copyright issue
held up the release and I have not heard anyone mention missing features.
Usually, someone from the releasing DVD studio will leak the information
and so the public knows exactly what clip was removed and why.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: Round 29 of SBM conversation
Is there a Logos SBM?
The original CD has a bit of tape hiss, but it cannot easily be removed
because there is treble up there too. Maybe a variable tape hiss cut is in
order.
-Morgan
P.S. I've been listening to Logos a LOT lately for no particular reason. *wink*
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From:
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:45
pm
Subject: last 21 hours
Hi all,
the last 21 hours of my ebay auctions with rare Klaus Schulze items.
Klaus Schulze - 3 rare sheet Music booklets
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515647047
Klaus Schulze - The Works
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515647886
or look under: http://www.ebayshops.de/hnartshop
Regards
heiko
ebay: heineu
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Round 29 of SBM conversation
From what I remember, the only SBM versions released by Virgin in the
U.S. were Encore, White Eagle, Logos, and Hyberborea (as they were never
available in the first CD run domestically as were the other Virgin
albums). Caroline released the Tangram SBM later in the U.S. I could
only find the other SMB versions when I went to Canada or as imports in
smaller stores.
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:40 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Round 29 of SBM conversation
Is there a Logos SBM?
The original CD has a bit of tape hiss, but it cannot easily be removed
because there is treble up there too. Maybe a variable tape hiss cut is
in
order.
-Morgan
P.S. I've been listening to Logos a LOT lately for no particular reason.
*wink*
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: The Missing Part of 'Moorland' is on the WAVELENGTH OST
--- In tadream@y..., scfeldman@j... wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:59:02 -0000 'richter_arne'
> writes:
>
> >[. . .] Basically, the 'missing' part from the Moorland (7')
> >exists on the Soundtrack of 'Wavelength'.
>
> Which track?
Sorry for the very very late reply on this one, but I only have this
on vinyl and had to get my turntable going again.
The track is 'Alley Walk'. To be pricise, the first 2:02 minutes, as
the track then crossfades into something totally different.
I suppose that Alley Walk (Part 1) and Moorland are different
excerpts from one and the same (longer) track. This track consists of
3 stages, starting with Alley Walk (the slow repeating 3 marimba-like
notes), then adding only the lead voice (the sharp flute-like sound
that can be heard 'solo' only in the first few seconds of Moorland,
but in the Tatort version was much longer) and finally adding the
sequencer part to that lead voice (not actually used in the Tatort
movie, only on the 7' released version of Moorland, maye this part
was even added on later)
So, this particular track was used to score 3 different movies: 'The
Keep', 'Wavelength' and 'Tatort:Miriam'
> >[. . .] The version played on the Tatort show was very
> >similar to the version used in the movie 'The Keep'.
>
> Hmmm.
Hmmm, yes you agree or Hmmm, you don't think so? ;-)
Cheers,
Arne
From:
'Scott'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:47
pm
Subject: Other Keep ST on Ebay
Hey, check this one out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517900052
It's a Keep soundtrack on Orange records, but it also has non-Keep tunes on
it, like Moorland and Silver Scale. the description says its from Canada.
What's the story?
Scott
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:30
pm
Subject: TD with MO
This seems to be the answer to the TD with Oldfield thing.
>'In a response to the recent discussion over the suppossed Tangerine Dream
>track with Mike Oldfield on guitar I'd like to point out that some time ago
>this topic was raised on the list; I downloaded the track - obviously copied
>from a worn-out tape and it was a song by an Austrian artist who calls
>himself Gandalf. I can't remember exactly, but the track was either from the
>album Visions (1982) or Magic Theatre (1983). This multiinstrumentalist has
>released a few decent albums that could be of a high interest of an Oldfield
>fan, but also a large pile of sweet newagey crap. The albums to listen to
>are Visions, Magic Theatre and Gallery of Dreams.
>Jan'
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Round 29 of SBM conversation
Morgan Asked....
> Is there a Logos SBM?
Yup, have a copy right here in my hand.....
Nick
NP Kubusschnitt / The Singularity .....Superb!!!!
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Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:08
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Round 29 of SBM conversation
Nick,
Yes, there is an Logos SBM and it is worth the quest
to receive one.
Wade
--- Nick Adams wrote:
> Morgan Asked....
>
> > Is there a Logos SBM?
>
> Yup, have a copy right here in my hand.....
>
> Nick
>
> NP Kubusschnitt / The Singularity .....Superb!!!!
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject:
Hey gang,
Here is some information regarding the upcoming
release of 'Music From the 21st Century.' For those
of you not familiar with it I will give you a little
background information. The album and cassette came
out in the early 80's. It had an introduction by
Richard Burmer followed by 'Tangram.' As of two weeks
ago I talked to Neil Norman who runs GNP CRESENDO
RECORDS and he said, that he is working with Chris
Franke on the rerelease of this project on c.d..
I feel that this would be important to any collector
of TD. The mix of Tangram is a little different from
the Virgin one and it is an interest juxapostion of
Richard Burmer's intro into 'Tangram.'
It is one of my favorites.
All the best,
Wade
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 10:32
pm
Subject: final round: TD with MO
The last detail:
'yes, I have found it. According to http://www.jpc.de/ the track is
taken from the album 'To another horizon' and it is called 'Flight of
the crystal ships'. Maybe it is Steve Hackett on guitar?
Holger'
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] final round: TD with MO
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>
> The last detail:
>
> 'yes, I have found it. According to http://www.jpc.de/ the track is
> taken from the album 'To another horizon' and it is called 'Flight of
> the crystal ships'. Maybe it is Steve Hackett on guitar?
> Holger'
Hey Jobim, you solved the mystery of the false TD+MO track! There's even
a RealAudio sample of the track on the site you mention.
Now, what mystery are you going to solve next, the Keep LP or the origin
of the TD name? ;-)
Antonio
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From:
'Grant M Somerville'
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: test please ignore
test
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 12:16
am
Subject: Tangerine Dream Ice Cream
Hello All,
I know it has been several weeks since this was discussed, however, my wife
has just returned from the market with a half gallon of Tangerine Dream Ice
Cream. This is the Grocery store's own label ice cream, kinda like the
generic brand:
Publix (The name of the local market) Premium Lite Ice Cream
'Tangerine Dream: Light Vanilla Ice Cream with Luscious Tangerine Sauce.
Swirled in and Sprinkled with Rich Chocolate Chunks.'
So, for the people in Florida, or the Atlanta, GA areas, rush right out to
your local Publix Supermarket and get some. It is really quite good.
Just had to share.......
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 1:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] final round: TD with MO
>Hey Jobim, you solved the mystery of the false TD+MO track! There's even
>a RealAudio sample of the track on the site you mention.
Heheh, not really me, the folks at the Oldfield list did (this last message
with the track name was by Holger Diehr)...
>Now, what mystery are you going to solve next, the Keep LP or the origin
>of the TD name? ;-)
now TD's name is more mysterious than the origin of supernatural probabilities
:)
GJ np. Oldfield's Amarok (a masterpiece)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 2:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] test please ignore
Grant M Somerville wrote:
>
> test
Did we pass? -- Mark (Sorry, I just couldn't resist.)
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 5:21
am
Subject: drums in Ricochet
Are you guys certain about this? Sorry to doubt... I just always thought that
around that time it was drum loops.
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:35:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Wade Gordon
Subject: Re: guitars in Ricochet
No, its the real McCoy all right.
Wade
--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I've wondered more than once... who is the drummer
> in Ricochet? or is that electronic? Doesn't sound
> electronic to me...
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
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From:
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Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 5:34
am
Subject: Virgin remasters
Personally, I got Encore because the orginal cd release version I had bought
seemed so bad. Then I got Force Majeure which did seem a lot better to me.
Seemed like I was hearing clarity that I hadn't noticed there before. So I
would say at least get one of the albums which would be one that you like to
listen to a lot and try for yourself. Also, because of the nature of the
original material, and how good of a job the mastering engineer did, the
improvement will be more pronounced for some releases than for others.
I got some of the new Synergy releases too, and they seem better to me.
Generally speaking, things had to be mastered totally differently for lp...
having to do with eq levels, bass dynamics and available length on the vinyl,
the physics of cutting the master, etc., etc. So, there was a lot of eqing
and compression for vinyl that isn't necessary for cds. A lot of times on the
original cd releases what you're hearing is the original master for vinyl
just repurposed for the cd release - and in the early days of cds, people
didn't really know what they were doing with the new medium too.
Of course, now there's the issue of the new 24-bit cds too, yipes - it never
ends!!!
Cheers,
<<
Subject: Re: Brazil. Cyclone SBM
A general thing... what's up with those SBM remastered versions from Virgin?
Is there a any big improvement when you compare the sound of an older CD with
a remastered one? I already thought about replacing my older TD Collection
from Virgin with the remastered versions.>>>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
Hey,
Personally I perfer the SMB. They are 20 bit mastered
from Original Master tapes while the older virgin
releases are either 1st or second generation masters.
Here's the rub. If you are going to replace your set
with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because they
are slowly but surely going out of print. For some of
the titles you may have to settle for a used copy.
All the best,
Wade
--- Liondream@a... wrote:
> Personally, I got Encore because the orginal cd
> release version I had bought
> seemed so bad. Then I got Force Majeure which did
> seem a lot better to me.
> Seemed like I was hearing clarity that I hadn't
> noticed there before. So I
> would say at least get one of the albums which would
> be one that you like to
> listen to a lot and try for yourself. Also, because
> of the nature of the
> original material, and how good of a job the
> mastering engineer did, the
> improvement will be more pronounced for some
> releases than for others.
>
> I got some of the new Synergy releases too, and they
> seem better to me.
>
> Generally speaking, things had to be mastered
> totally differently for lp...
> having to do with eq levels, bass dynamics and
> available length on the vinyl,
> the physics of cutting the master, etc., etc. So,
> there was a lot of eqing
> and compression for vinyl that isn't necessary for
> cds. A lot of times on the
> original cd releases what you're hearing is the
> original master for vinyl
> just repurposed for the cd release - and in the
> early days of cds, people
> didn't really know what they were doing with the new
> medium too.
>
> Of course, now there's the issue of the new 24-bit
> cds too, yipes - it never
> ends!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> << Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:36:57 +0100
> From: René Brenner
> Subject: Re: Brazil. Cyclone SBM
>
> A general thing... what's up with those SBM
> remastered versions from Virgin?
> Is there a any big improvement when you compare the
> sound of an older CD with
> a remastered one? I already thought about replacing
> my older TD Collection
> from Virgin with the remastered versions.>>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
Wade Gordon wrote:
> If you are going to replace your set
> with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because they
> are slowly but surely going out of print.
Yikes! Is there a list somewhere of which releases where re-mastered as
SBMs? Or is there a good source for finding them or ordering them online?
I am looking for the following SBM re-masters:
Phaedra
Rubycon
Hyperborea
White Eagle
Thanks.
***
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E-mail: kkproductions@e...
****
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
Kevin,
Here is what you have to do. There are as I know at
least three sources for the Virgin SBM's. I would
check between Amazon and cdnow to see who has the
cheapest price. You can aso get them from
Barnesandnoble.com, but there prices are a little bit
higher. You can also find them on Yahoo music, but
again this is a little pricey. If you check ebay you
can usually find them used.
You have got quite a quest in front of you because
these titles are usually back ordered.
All the best,
Wade
--- Kevin Keller wrote:
> Wade Gordon wrote:
>
> > If you are going to replace your set
> > with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because
> they
> > are slowly but surely going out of print.
>
> Yikes! Is there a list somewhere of which releases
> where re-mastered as
> SBMs? Or is there a good source for finding them or
> ordering them online?
> I am looking for the following SBM re-masters:
>
> Phaedra
> Rubycon
> Hyperborea
> White Eagle
>
> Thanks.
> ***
> Kevin Keller
> Composer and Producer - Classical Space Music
> E-mail: kkproductions@e...
> ****
> Kevin Keller Trio
> Live at Morrison Planetarium, Golden Gate Park, SF
> Sunday, March 24 at 8 PM
> Advance tickets now on sale at
> http://www.kevinkeller.com
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
From: 'Kevin Keller'
> Yikes! Is there a list somewhere of which releases where re-mastered as
> SBMs?
All the Virgin years ones. Phaedra through Hyperborea.
> Or is there a good source for finding them or ordering them online?
> I am looking for the following SBM re-masters:
>
> Phaedra
> Rubycon
> Hyperborea
> White Eagle
Looks like Amazon.com have the SBM versions of Hyperborea and White Ealge,
but not the other two.
Maff
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
Mathew,
Actually, the hardest one to find is 'Thief.' If you
do not have the SBM of this I highly recomend it. You
have to understand that the original was not made from
the original master, but the 1st generation. Original
masters do make a difference, especially with the
Sequel releases. These have liner notes from Jonathan
Miller, Yes, the Jonathan Miller while the SBM's have
liner notes from Mark Pendergast. I wrote Jonathan
Miller and discussed this with him. I did not know
that he liked electronic music all I ever heard him
talk about is Opera.
All the best,
Wade
--- Matthew Sawyer
wrote:
> From: 'Kevin Keller'
>
> > Yikes! Is there a list somewhere of which
> releases where re-mastered as
> > SBMs?
>
> All the Virgin years ones. Phaedra through
> Hyperborea.
>
>
> > Or is there a good source for finding them or
> ordering them online?
> > I am looking for the following SBM re-masters:
> >
> > Phaedra
> > Rubycon
> > Hyperborea
> > White Eagle
>
>
> Looks like Amazon.com have the SBM versions of
> Hyperborea and White Ealge,
> but not the other two.
>
>
> Maff
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
From: 'Wade Gordon'
> Mathew,
>
> Actually, the hardest one to find is 'Thief.'
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=2005225444/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/al
bum.html/artistid=TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=434797
Doesn't actually say if they have it in stock. Presumably it is the SBM one
as the page says it's 'Live', which was an error on the SBM version cover.
Maff
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 7:55
pm
Subject: FW: 'Legend' details
FYI:
-----Original Message-----
...this is
big news for TD fans, and I thought you may want to pass it along.
The Region 4 official announcement for the Legend DVD has been issued...
and among the extras included on the 2-disc set is an ISOLATED Tangerine
Dream score. Perhaps one of the contributing factors to the long delay
in the disc's release...
http://www.dvdargentina.com/noticias.php?newsid=967
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 8:14
pm
Subject: Ghost Dad in Spanish
The other day I was watching the DVD of Ghost Dad with my son. I always
enjoy the scene with the crazy satanic taxi driver with the Sorcerer Theme
'Betrayal' playing prominently through the speakers.
Today I was playing a few fan CD-Rs (Pyramid Dreams VII, track 4) and I
noticed that it had the lifted Sorcerer track from the movie. I played it
and I forgot that it was from a Spanish dubbed version of the movie. My son
and I played it full blast and had a laugh listening to the Spanish dialogue
with the music. My son particularily enjoyed it since he is studying
Spanish. I recommend that you check out this comedy if it comes your way.
Vic
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 11:31
pm
Subject: music of the 21st century
Wade,
Is this also the disc that had a Michael Garrison piece on it as well as
others? I think my brother used to have that lp. This will be pretty cool
indeed to have on cd.
<<
Subject: (unknown)
Hey gang,
Here is some information regarding the upcoming
release of 'Music From the 21st Century.' For those
of you not familiar with it I will give you a little
background information. The album and cassette came
out in the early 80's. It had an introduction by
Richard Burmer followed by 'Tangram.' As of two weeks
ago I talked to Neil Norman who runs GNP CRESENDO
RECORDS and he said, that he is working with Chris
Franke on the rerelease of this project on c.d..
I feel that this would be important to any collector
of TD. The mix of Tangram is a little different from
the Virgin one and it is an interest juxapostion of
Richard Burmer's intro into 'Tangram.'
It is one of my favorites.
All the best,
Wade>>>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 4:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
I would have to say that 'Live' was a misprint. Anyone else?
Favorite all time is on this soundtrack, 'Diamond Diary'.
I need to get this on CD, I just have the album.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
>
>
> > Mathew,
> >
> > Actually, the hardest one to find is 'Thief.'
>
>
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=2005225444/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/al
> bum.html/artistid=TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=434797
>
> Doesn't actually say if they have it in stock. Presumably it is the SBM
one
> as the page says it's 'Live', which was an error on the SBM version cover.
>
>
> Maff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 4:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] music of the 21st century
Hi Wade,
It's good to see you on the list.
> I feel that this would be important to any collector
> of TD. The mix of Tangram is a little different from
> the Virgin one and it is an interest juxapostion of
> Richard Burmer's intro into 'Tangram.'
> Wade>>>
I would buy this CD in a moment. Do you have any planned release date from
Neil?
BTW, how are you book sales coming along? Has it topped the Amazon charts
yet? :-)
Vic
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 4:57
am
Subject: interesting plug
Marcel
Did you see the plug here for you at Air Sculpture web site?
http://www.airsculpture.com/
Dale
If this was already posted, just give me a DUH...
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 7:24
am
Subject: DREAMWATCHER'S TALES ONLINE
Hi everyone
Right now you can discover the Dreamwatchers' Tales project through Olyam's
website (www.olyam.com).
You can discover the two albums with all informations and tracks listings
with copyrights.
You can also hear audio samples from the project (real audio format).
The DTS track 'im memoriam' by Darklion and Olyam can be fully heard on the
website as a stereo version is online.
You can download th mp3 format for everyone who can't play DTS tracks.
I hope there will be some other Dreamwatchers projects.
On olyam's website chose the link 'cliquez ici pour en savoir plus sur le
projet Dreamwatchers' Tales'.
Waiting for your reactions.
Enjoy
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 7:54
am
Subject: Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
> Are you guys certain about this? Sorry to doubt... I just always
thought that
> around that time it was drum loops.
I though Chris's drums were sold after the initial recording of Green
Desert (to get some funds for the Moog in Phaedra?) so I've always
thought the ones in Ricochet I are synthetic.
And I don't believe either it's a studio addition. The Tree Vol.7
disk, which has the crude version of Ricochet II, has quite
impressive drumming. Much more intense than in the album version -
it's more like as in Green Desert.
John Vertical
PS: I just bought Antique Dreams - could someone explain what is the
main sequence of Speed (Dragon) doing at the beginning of Calymba
Caly? Something reeks here...
PPS: Greetings from Amsterdam!
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 8:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virgin remasters
Hi all,
Just for info:
The 'Definitive Edition' series of remastered 'Super Bit Mapping' CDs came
out in 1995: 13 in total, all of the albums released by Virgin between
'Phaedra' and 'Hyperborea', i.e. between 1974 and 1984, except
'Heartbreakers', 'Risky Business' and 'Pergamon'. Here's the complete list:
Phaedra
Rubycon
Ricochet
Stratosfear
Encore
Cyclone
Force Majeure
Tangram
Exit
White Eagle
Thief
Logos
Hyperborea
Cheers
Paul
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:00
am
Subject: OT UK fans needing blank CDR's for the tree ?
Dixons are selling off Kodak Gold/Silver 80m spindles of 25 discs for
£9.99 while stocks last, so if you need loads of CDR's for the tree,
grab them quickly.
Toby
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From:
'tangram12'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:58
am
Subject: Re: OT UK fans needing blank CDR's for the tree ?
or for an even cheaper source of blank cdrs go to here -
http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/acatalog/
Duncan
tangram@t...
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--- In tadream@y..., 'braddito' wrote:
> Dixons are selling off Kodak Gold/Silver 80m spindles of 25 discs
for
> £9.99 while stocks last, so if you need loads of CDR's for the
tree,
> grab them quickly.
>
> Toby
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From:
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Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:01
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT UK fans needing blank CDR's for the tree ?
http://www.121cdr.co.uk/ - low prices, good service.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tangram12 [mailto:tangram@t...]
> Sent: 25 February 2002 09:59
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT UK fans needing blank CDR's for the tree ?
>
>
> or for an even cheaper source of blank cdrs go to here -
> http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/acatalog/
>
> Duncan
> tangram@t...
> www.tadream.co.uk
>
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'braddito' wrote:
> > Dixons are selling off Kodak Gold/Silver 80m spindles of 25 discs
> for
> > £9.99 while stocks last, so if you need loads of CDR's for the
> tree,
> > grab them quickly.
> >
> > Toby
>
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1247
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:27:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Wade Gordon
> Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
>
> Mathew,
>
> Actually, the hardest one to find is 'Thief.' If you
> do not have the SBM of this I highly recomend it. You
> have to understand that the original was not made from
> the original master, but the 1st generation. Original
> masters do make a difference, especially with the
> Sequel releases. These have liner notes from Jonathan
> Miller, Yes, the Jonathan Miller while the SBM's have
> liner notes from Mark Pendergast. I wrote Jonathan
> Miller and discussed this with him. I did not know
> that he liked electronic music all I ever heard him
> talk about is Opera.
>
> All the best,
>
> Wade
That's really funny :-))))))
The whole point is that it's NOT 'the' Jonathan Miller - if by that you mean
the British satirist and operatic producer. It's a much younger bloke who
writes articles for Sound On Sound and other magazines. I don't think you'd get
a very interesting discussion of Tangerine Dream out of 'the' Jonathan Miller.
Coming next - the new Klaus Schulze boxed set with sleeve notes by Peter Cook
:-)
From:
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 2:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] interesting plug
> Marcel
> Did you see the plug here for you at Air Sculpture web site?
> http://www.airsculpture.com/
>
> Dale
>
> If this was already posted, just give me a DUH...
Heh, don't even mention that Bill, Jens and myself are also 'plugged' on the
AS site for the Oke2002 gathering! ;-)
Dave B. (okay, so maybe I'm not very important...)
From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 3:01
pm
Subject: Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
Yes, we're quite certain. Most of the drums are a studio addition, the
rest are loops used in concert. You can easily tell which are which,
even without the boot. And they are real acoustic drums, BTW.
As for 'Speed'/'Calymba Caly'; 'Speed' was taken from 'Calymba Caly',
just as they did numerous times with other live sequences to be used
in film scores.
goozer
--- In tadream@y..., 'omegatransfinito' wrote:
> > Are you guys certain about this? Sorry to doubt... I just always
> thought that
> > around that time it was drum loops.
>
>
> I though Chris's drums were sold after the initial recording of Green
> Desert (to get some funds for the Moog in Phaedra?) so I've always
> thought the ones in Ricochet I are synthetic.
>
> And I don't believe either it's a studio addition. The Tree Vol.7
> disk, which has the crude version of Ricochet II, has quite
> impressive drumming. Much more intense than in the album version -
> it's more like as in Green Desert.
>
> John Vertical
>
> PS: I just bought Antique Dreams - could someone explain what is the
> main sequence of Speed (Dragon) doing at the beginning of Calymba
> Caly? Something reeks here...
>
> PPS: Greetings from Amsterdam!
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:23
pm
Subject: DM3 and considerations about TD and EM
Hi folks,
I don't play many of the TD albums I have very often; it's been some months
since I last heard DM3, for example. So I'm playing it now again, and it's
good to know that my first impression, of a very good album, wasn't just
momentary, just a first impression. It's indeed very good.
It's good to know that, generation after generation of electronic music,
some of the biggest fathers of EM are still out there, able to make good
quality music. Again, DM3 is very good. Inferno seems to be brilliant, I
can't wait to listen to the official release. Great Wall (also one of the
CDs I brought to work today) and Mars Polaris aren't fantastic, but they are
good. I've just heard Stereolight (np Diamonds and Dust). Excellent,
excellent. And later I'll be listening to The Spirit of The Czar, which was
just an very very pleasant surprise, with the new percussion made in a way
it matches the old percussion. I remember the first time I heard it, it was
before going to sleep, so I really didn't know the titles of the music I was
listening. It was great to hear Poland, which was my first TD CD (with
W.E.), being like resurrected in this fantastic new form, heavily sampled.
Many thanks to Edgar, Chris, Peter, Johannes, Klaus, Manuel, Jean-Michel,
R.Moog, Theremin, Karlheinz and so many others for helping to create this
great experience that EM is.
-GJ having lunch, at work, Blue Spears loud in the speakers.
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] interesting plug
Your right!
One has to do something to entice one from lurking?
Dale
;-)
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Subject: Re: [tadream] interesting plug
> > Marcel
> > Did you see the plug here for you at Air Sculpture web site?
> > http://www.airsculpture.com/
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > If this was already posted, just give me a DUH...
>
> Heh, don't even mention that Bill, Jens and myself are also 'plugged' on
the
> AS site for the Oke2002 gathering! ;-)
>
> Dave B. (okay, so maybe I'm not very important...)
>
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 5:13
pm
Subject: Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
Hello
I was wondering if any of you have come across a gold CD of the Tyger
album,i have just bought one on ebay,and was curious whether anyone
else has got one,knowing my luck its been coloured in with a pen,but
i couldnt resist taking a chance.I would appreciate any information
anyone could forward on this,i cant find anything in the discographies
Best regards Colin South Wales GB.
P/S Whom do i contact concerning the tree? Thanks again.
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 5:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] music of the 21st century
Vic,
I again talked to Neil and he said that he is still
working on the project. Also, my book is moving
rather well at barnesandnoble.com and amazon.com.
Thanks for asking.
Wade
--- vic rek wrote:
> Hi Wade,
>
> It's good to see you on the list.
>
> > I feel that this would be important to any
> collector
> > of TD. The mix of Tangram is a little different
> from
> > the Virgin one and it is an interest juxapostion
> of
> > Richard Burmer's intro into 'Tangram.'
> > Wade>>>
>
> I would buy this CD in a moment. Do you have any
> planned release date from
> Neil?
> BTW, how are you book sales coming along? Has it
> topped the Amazon charts
> yet? :-)
>
> Vic
>
>
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 5:32
pm
Subject: virgin remasters
Definitely going to pick up White Eagle then (which is the one I saw in the
store the other day) 'cos I like that one a lot. If something better comes out
in the future, I'll worry about that then.
Funny...
When I first started getting albums in general (and td in particular) I didn't
have a turntable or even big stereo system, so I got cassettes. Then, when I
did finally get a stereo, I replaced some things on lp.
So, Encore, for example, is something that I bought four times. First on
cassette, then lp, then cd, then remaster cd. LOL.
Thanks for the head's up!
<<
Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
Hey,
Personally I perfer the SMB. They are 20 bit mastered
from Original Master tapes while the older virgin
releases are either 1st or second generation masters.
Here's the rub. If you are going to replace your set
with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because they
are slowly but surely going out of print. For some of
the titles you may have to settle for a used copy.
All the best,
Wade>>>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 5:34
pm
Subject: virgin remasters where?
Oh, I will tell you where I've been having luck - but only later tonight after
I raid the place myself!!!
I'll take a survey and let you guys know what I find if you like...
<<
Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
Wade Gordon wrote:
> If you are going to replace your set
> with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because they
> are slowly but surely going out of print.
Yikes! Is there a list somewhere of which releases where re-mastered as
SBMs? Or is there a good source for finding them or ordering them online?
I am looking for the following SBM re-masters:
Phaedra
Rubycon
Hyperborea
White Eagle>>>
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD shop...
CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my head) and has
black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the non-funked up
version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny completionist... ;)
jerome
--- convention24 wrote:
> Hello
> I was wondering if any of you have come across a gold CD of the Tyger
> album,i have just bought one on ebay,and was curious whether anyone
> else has got one,knowing my luck its been coloured in with a pen,but
> i couldnt resist taking a chance.I would appreciate any information
> anyone could forward on this,i cant find anything in the discographies
> Best regards Colin South Wales GB.
> P/S Whom do i contact concerning the tree? Thanks again.
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
>Yes, we're quite certain. Most of the drums are a studio addition, the
>rest are loops used in concert. You can easily tell which are which,
>even without the boot. And they are real acoustic drums, BTW.
So now they're simultaneously just loops and real acoustic drums...?
And is it then just a legend that Chris sold his drums after GD?
John Vertical
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] music of the 21st century
Me too...I transferred my old cassette copy to CDR some time ago, and I
really enjoy these tracks.
Craig
> I would buy this CD in a moment. Do you have any planned release
> date from
> Neil?
> BTW, how are you book sales coming along? Has it topped the Amazon charts
> yet? :-)
>
> Vic
From:
'Bruce A. Crichton'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 8:14
pm
Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
________________________________________________________________________
>Message: 15
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:34:45 -0800
From: Paul Fellows
Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
Hi all,
Just for info:
The 'Definitive Edition' series of remastered 'Super Bit Mapping' CDs came
out in 1995: 13 in total, all of the albums released by Virgin between
'Phaedra' and 'Hyperborea', i.e. between 1974 and 1984, except
'Heartbreakers', 'Risky Business' and 'Pergamon'. Here's the complete list:
Phaedra
Rubycon
Ricochet
Stratosfear
Encore
Cyclone
Force Majeure
Tangram
Exit
White Eagle
Thief
Logos
> Hyperborea
Got quite a few of these. Picked up Tangram ,Stratosfear and White Eagle at
the weekend for £20 in total.
They all have the same liner notes.
Why is 'Sorcerer' not in this collection?
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
do they have a 2nd one? ;)
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:27:37 -0800, j.gordon wrote:
> i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD shop...
> CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
>
> it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my head) and has
> black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the non-funked up
> version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny completionist... ;)
>
> jerome
>
>
>
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From:
'tangram12'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: Re: Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
this tyger release you have found is in fact part of a 3 gold cd box
set released by jive around 1990, the set also includes poland and
the best of all are gold cds.
so what you have is only part of the set.
check out paul fellows website or voices in the dunes for info on
this release.
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., René Brenner wrote:
> do they have a 2nd one? ;)
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:27:37 -0800, j.gordon wrote:
> > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich
HB CD shop...
> > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
> >
> > it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my
head) and has
> > black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the
non-funked up
> > version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny
completionist... ;)
> >
> > jerome
> >
> >
> >
From:
'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
Was the original version of the album 'Tyger', meaning no 'Vigour' and
original Tyger, ever released on CD?
Marcelo
----- Original Message -----
From: René Brenner
To:
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
> do they have a 2nd one? ;)
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:27:37 -0800, j.gordon wrote:
> > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD
shop...
> > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
> >
> > it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my head)
and has
> > black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the non-funked
up
> > version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny
completionist... ;)
> >
> > jerome
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 8:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
I guess this also answers my question.
Thanks
Marcelo
----- Original Message -----
From: tangram12
To:
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
this tyger release you have found is in fact part of a 3 gold cd box
set released by jive around 1990, the set also includes poland and
the best of all are gold cds.
so what you have is only part of the set.
check out paul fellows website or voices in the dunes for info on
this release.
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., René Brenner wrote:
> do they have a 2nd one? ;)
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:27:37 -0800, j.gordon wrote:
> > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich
HB CD shop...
> > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
> >
> > it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my
head) and has
> > black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the
non-funked up
> > version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny
completionist... ;)
> >
> > jerome
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 8:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Virgin remasters
le 25/02/02 21:14, Bruce A. Crichton à BRUCE@F... a
écrit :
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:34:45 -0800
> From: Paul Fellows
> Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just for info:
>
> The 'Definitive Edition' series of remastered 'Super Bit Mapping' CDs came
> out in 1995: 13 in total, all of the albums released by Virgin between
> 'Phaedra' and 'Hyperborea', i.e. between 1974 and 1984, except
> 'Heartbreakers', 'Risky Business' and 'Pergamon'. Here's the complete list:
>
> Phaedra
> Rubycon
> Ricochet
> Stratosfear
> Encore
> Cyclone
> Force Majeure
> Tangram
> Exit
> White Eagle
> Thief
> Logos
>> Hyperborea
>
> Got quite a few of these. Picked up Tangram ,Stratosfear and White Eagle at
> the weekend for £20 in total.
>
> They all have the same liner notes.
>
> Why is 'Sorcerer' not in this collection?
>
Because it wasn't originally released on Virgin, but MCA
Paul
From:
'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2002 8:47
pm
Subject: Rubycon SACD
I know that some of the list members have got the SACD edition of Rubycon,
can anyone tell me where they got it from?
Thanks
Marcelo
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
in fact, they almost always do... or did... i haven't been in a couple of
months... it's in the CD shop across from Silberkugel (two shops down from
inter-discount)... give it a try... =)
jerome
--- René Brenner wrote:
> do they have a 2nd one? ;)
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:27:37 -0800, j.gordon wrote:
> > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD
> shop...
> > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
> >
> > it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my head) and
> has
> > black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the non-funked up
> > version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny completionist...
> ;)
> >
> > jerome
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'tangram12'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:39
pm
Subject: Re: Rubycon SACD
i got my copy of rubycon SACD from www.eil.com
it sounds great when played on the correct equipement :-)
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., 'Marcelo Gutierrez' wrote:
> I know that some of the list members have got the SACD edition of
Rubycon,
> can anyone tell me where they got it from?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcelo
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin remasters
DUH....
I just checked my CD's....I already have Hyperborea, Encore, and Logos SBM
versions...purchased them a few years back at a regular retail store and had
no idea.
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good....haha
:-)
Alex
(ATYE)
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:05
am
Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree update
the following updates were made to the Tangerine Tree:
Colin in Wales assigned to branch Alan Miller
David Gilbert and Wade Gordon assigned to Brian Walenz
Lee Thomas Millar and Tim Rivers assigned to Daniel Holbrecht
Jeff Pearce assigned to Mark Filipak
On another note:
or the most part, I have tried to spread the descendants in the tree around
so that everybody who wanted to be a branch could be. Now that every branch
has at least one descendant, if anyone wants to raise their hand and let me
know they can take on newcomers to the tree, please contact me offlist.
Thanks,
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:28
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
>So now they're simultaneously just loops and real acoustic drums...?
And is it then just >a legend that Chris sold his drums after GD?
I think he probably got enough money after Phaedra to buy them back
...
- jim
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:28
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Virgin remasters
From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...]
>Just for info:
>The 'Definitive Edition' series of remastered 'Super Bit Mapping' CDs
came out in 1995: 13 in total, all of the albums released by Virgin
between 'Phaedra' and 'Hyperborea', i.e. between 1974 and 1984, except
'Heartbreakers', 'Risky Business' and 'Pergamon'. Here's the complete
list:
For the 'Yanks' at least (and I say that living in the South), Pergamon
was remastered and released by Sequel (who re-released the
Ohr/Jive/Electro/Relativity albums in the US -- Pink and Blue Years).
It was an improvement (to my ears) over the Caroline release from the
mid-80's.
- jim
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree update
In a message dated 2/25/2002 5:52:15 PM Central Standard Time,
jshoults@f... writes:
> Jeff Pearce assigned to Mark Filipak
>
>
*AHA!!!! I saw that! Hypnos lurker # 2!!!
Poly-oly oxen free
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 1:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree update
Joe Shoults wrote:
> the following updates were made to the Tangerine Tree:
Pardon my ignorance as a newcomer to this group - but what exactly is the
Tangerine Tree?
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 3:36
am
Subject: SBM Update
Well, for those interested and who can't find sbm (or other) versions of TD
elsewhere, particularly if you're living in the U.S., my favorite local
source for TD cds is a place Crow's Nest. They consistently have the largest
selection of TD cds of any place I know around here. Good selection of
electronic music in general, and by far the best selection of techno/dance
type stuff in the city IMO. Picked up Future Primitive there a few months ago!
1157 W Fullerton Ave
Chicago
773-935-9196
This is speaking only in terms of a physical b&m store that you can walk
into, and they're not ideal. I mean they've never even heard of half the
stuff we discuss on here and that you find, for example, at Synthmusicdirect
or Horizon.
Anyway... they have a website, which lists most of the sbm discs as on
backorder, even though a few of them are to be found in the actual stores.
This place has Hyperborea and Encore SBM for $10.98 each. Optical Race (which
I think might be hard to find these days). A lot of TDI releases and pre sbm
Virgin releases. The earlier Virgin releases vary between $8.98 and $10.98
each.
Destination Berlin (in import section) $21.98.
A pretty good selection of Klaus Schulze too, though I wouldn't know where to
begin with him. CD double-packs of earlier releases plus a newish live disc
separate vol. 1 and vol. 2 in import section.
I hope I'm not bothering anyone with this info. I'm sharing it in case anyone
out there (especially stateside) might be looking for some of these and can't
find them elsewhere. I thought Destination Berlin, in particular might be of
interest.
Anyway... perhaps if you call the store you might be able to order it.
Happy sequencing!
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBM Update
hit me with the web site address.
Dale
off list if need be
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin remasters
>I just checked my CD's....I already have Hyperborea, Encore, and Logos SBM
>versions...purchased them a few years back at a regular retail store and
>had
>no idea.
Perhaps I should check this too. Where can I see whether or not? And what
difference there is in SBM, anyway?
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From:
tom george
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:52
am
Subject: Mail Order SBM's
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: Wade Gordon
>
> 2. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: Kevin Keller
>
> 3. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: Wade Gordon
>
> 4. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
>
> 5. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: Wade Gordon
>
> 6. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
>
> 7. FW: 'Legend' details
> From: Joe Shoults
> 8. Ghost Dad in Spanish
> From: 'vic rek'
>
> 9. music of the 21st century
> From: Liondream@a...
> 10. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: 'Admin'
> 11. Re: music of the 21st century
> From: 'vic rek'
>
> 12. interesting plug
> From: 'Admin'
> 13. DREAMWATCHER'S TALES ONLINE
> From: 'Yannick EDOM'
>
> 14. Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
> From: 'omegatransfinito'
>
> 15. Re: Virgin remasters
> From: Paul Fellows
>
> 16. OT UK fans needing blank CDR's for the tree
> ?
> From: 'braddito'
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:06:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Wade Gordon
> Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
>
> Hey,
>
> Personally I perfer the SMB. They are 20 bit
> mastered
> from Original Master tapes while the older virgin
> releases are either 1st or second generation
> masters.
> Here's the rub. If you are going to replace your
> set
> with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because
> they
> are slowly but surely going out of print. For some
> of
> the titles you may have to settle for a used copy.
>
> All the best,
>
> Wade
> --- Liondream@a... wrote:
> > Personally, I got Encore because the orginal cd
> > release version I had bought
> > seemed so bad. Then I got Force Majeure which did
> > seem a lot better to me.
> > Seemed like I was hearing clarity that I hadn't
> > noticed there before. So I
> > would say at least get one of the albums which
> would
> > be one that you like to
> > listen to a lot and try for yourself. Also,
> because
> > of the nature of the
> > original material, and how good of a job the
> > mastering engineer did, the
> > improvement will be more pronounced for some
> > releases than for others.
> >
> > I got some of the new Synergy releases too, and
> they
> > seem better to me.
> >
> > Generally speaking, things had to be mastered
> > totally differently for lp...
> > having to do with eq levels, bass dynamics and
> > available length on the vinyl,
> > the physics of cutting the master, etc., etc. So,
> > there was a lot of eqing
> > and compression for vinyl that isn't necessary for
> > cds. A lot of times on the
> > original cd releases what you're hearing is the
> > original master for vinyl
> > just repurposed for the cd release - and in the
> > early days of cds, people
> > didn't really know what they were doing with the
> new
> > medium too.
> >
> > Of course, now there's the issue of the new 24-bit
> > cds too, yipes - it never
> > ends!!!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > << > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:36:57 +0100
> > From: René Brenner
> > Subject: Re: Brazil. Cyclone SBM
> >
> > A general thing... what's up with those SBM
> > remastered versions from Virgin?
> > Is there a any big improvement when you compare
> the
> > sound of an older CD with
> > a remastered one? I already thought about
> replacing
> > my older TD Collection
> > from Virgin with the remastered versions.>>>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:18:38 -0800
> From: Kevin Keller
> Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
>
> Wade Gordon wrote:
>
> > If you are going to replace your set
> > with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because
> they
> > are slowly but surely going out of print.
>
> Yikes! Is there a list somewhere of which releases
> where re-mastered as
> SBMs? Or is there a good source for finding them or
> ordering them online?
> I am looking for the following SBM re-masters:
>
> Phaedra
> Rubycon
> Hyperborea
> White Eagle
>
> Thanks.
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From:
tom george
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:56
am
Subject: Mail Order SBM's
Sorry for the previous bogus message. the send button
wound up under my finger.
Why doesn't anyone ever mention towerrecords.com
when they talk of mail order sources. they always
seem to have everything in stock, they ship very
quickly and their prices usually can't be beat.
I highly recommend them.
Tom
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From:
David Hughes
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:51
am
Subject: Thief, the video...
Hello all,
Found a remastered/enhanced version of the video of 'Thief' in our supermarket
(Morrisons) last weekend for only £2.99...
... which inspired the following arguement/discussion at home.
I'm convinced I've seen two versions of 'Thief', both with slightly different
endings. The first time I saw the movie I was convinced that James Caan gets
shot to bits and then the movie fades to the closing titles. In the version that
I saw on Channel 4 not long ago, James Caan gets up after the gunfight and walks
away into the distance.
Can anyone confirm if this is true?
Thanks
David
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 5:59
pm
Subject: sbm x old cds Re: virgin remasters
Hi folks, I have some of the SBMs but also a few old cds; I got them as I
found them, not caring too much about sound quality. I have the old versions
of white eagle, hyperborea, tangram and rubycon. Could anyone say if the SBM
versions are better than the old ones of those? I'd guess so, but is the
improvement so good it's worth the investment? (it IS an investment for me;
as I've said before, these cds are hard to find and expensive down here in
hot and damp Rio)...
GJ np. KS live at klangart (a very solid Very Good, almost Excellent)
> Perhaps I should check this too. Where can I see whether or not? And what
> difference there is in SBM, anyway?
>
> John Vertical
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 11:14
am
Subject: Re: Original Tyger
Message: 18
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:25:45 -0500
From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Subject: Re: Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
Was the original version of the album 'Tyger', meaning no 'Vigour' and
original Tyger, ever released on CD?
Marcelo
It certainly was. I picked up my copy on the day of release. The original
sleeve in fact was blue and had the now familiar TDI logo filling the front.
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 11:11
am
Subject: Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
Chris maybe didn't own the drums... perhaps, like in a lot of recording
studios, these were one of many instruments that were sometimes lying
around. After all, The Beatles didn't own the organs and pianos when they
first used them in Abbey Road, and Gary Numan didn't even own the
synthesizer he used when he recorded 'Tubeway Army'.
Plus, after the successful sales of 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' I think there
may well have been some spare cash left over to buy a set of drums again for
'Ricochet', and a little later, for 'Stratosfear'.
The acoustic drums are used for part 1, the looped ones on side 2...
But I may be wrong... :-)
Roger Hartopp
Message: 13
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:42:18 +0200
From: 'John Vertical'
Subject: Re: Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
>Yes, we're quite certain. Most of the drums are a studio addition, the
>rest are loops used in concert. You can easily tell which are which,
>even without the boot. And they are real acoustic drums, BTW.
So now they're simultaneously just loops and real acoustic drums...?
And is it then just a legend that Chris sold his drums after GD?
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
>Plus, after the successful sales of 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' I think there
>may well have been some spare cash left over to buy a set of drums again
>for
>'Ricochet', and a little later, for 'Stratosfear'.
I don't think my sleeve instrument list for Stratosfear lists any drums?
>The acoustic drums are used for part 1, the looped ones on side 2...
Yep, I also for quite a long time though that the drums on Part 2 are looped
- then I heard the original version which appears on Tangerine Tree Vol.7 (I
guess I was the first leaf wo got his CDs) and it clearly has no looping.
It's a pretty good drumming by Chris, with alternating monotonic sections
and rabid bubbling slashes..
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 3:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief, the video...
David Hughes wrote:
> I'm convinced I've seen two versions of 'Thief', both with slightly different
> endings. The first time I saw the movie I was convinced that James Caan gets
> shot to bits and then the movie fades to the closing titles. In the version
that
> I saw on Channel 4 not long ago, James Caan gets up after the gunfight and
walks
> away into the distance.
I'm only aware of the ending with Caan walking away into the distance.
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin remasters
In a message dated 2/26/02 1:06:55 AM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>Perhaps I should check this too. Where can I see whether or not? And what
>difference there is in SBM, anyway?
The easiest way to tell is that the covers on the original CD versions have
grey borders around them with 'TANGERINE DREAM' and the album title in block
letters, like this: http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/img/rubycon.jpg
The SBM versions have no such borders and (I believe) are identical to the LP
covers. Also, the SBMs should say 'remastered' and/or 'super bit mapping' on
the back somewhere, although I can't verify this because I'm at school and my
CDs are at home.
--Daniel
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Ice Cream
There's a Publix here in Huntsville too. I never shop there, so I
have no clue if they carry TD-cream or not.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:17 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Ice Cream
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I know it has been several weeks since this was discussed,
> however, my wife
> has just returned from the market with a half gallon of
> Tangerine Dream Ice
> Cream. This is the Grocery store's own label ice cream, kinda like the
> generic brand:
>
> Publix (The name of the local market) Premium Lite Ice Cream
> 'Tangerine Dream: Light Vanilla Ice Cream with Luscious
> Tangerine Sauce.
> Swirled in and Sprinkled with Rich Chocolate Chunks.'
>
> So, for the people in Florida, or the Atlanta, GA areas, rush
> right out to
> your local Publix Supermarket and get some. It is really quite good.
>
> Just had to share.......
> Neal
>
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mail Order SBM's
The SBM's are available at towerrecords.comlm but they
are a little more expensive than cdnow or amazon.
They also only have a few of them. The cheapest place
for new one's is cdnow.com or amazon. If you don't
mind them used I suggest you try ebay. You could
probably get them for about 8 bucks a piece.
Wade
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> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: Wade Gordon
> >
> > 2. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: Kevin Keller
> >
> > 3. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: Wade Gordon
> >
> > 4. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> >
> > 5. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: Wade Gordon
> >
> > 6. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> >
> > 7. FW: 'Legend' details
> > From: Joe Shoults
>
> > 8. Ghost Dad in Spanish
> > From: 'vic rek'
> >
> > 9. music of the 21st century
> > From: Liondream@a...
> > 10. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: 'Admin'
> > 11. Re: music of the 21st century
> > From: 'vic rek'
> >
> > 12. interesting plug
> > From: 'Admin'
> > 13. DREAMWATCHER'S TALES ONLINE
> > From: 'Yannick EDOM'
> >
> > 14. Re: drums in Ricochet etc.
> > From: 'omegatransfinito'
> >
> > 15. Re: Virgin remasters
> > From: Paul Fellows
> >
> > 16. OT UK fans needing blank CDR's for the
> tree
> > ?
> > From: 'braddito'
>
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:06:46 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Wade Gordon
> > Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Personally I perfer the SMB. They are 20 bit
> > mastered
> > from Original Master tapes while the older virgin
> > releases are either 1st or second generation
> > masters.
> > Here's the rub. If you are going to replace your
> > set
> > with SMB's I would hurry up if I were you because
> > they
> > are slowly but surely going out of print. For
> some
> > of
> > the titles you may have to settle for a used copy.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Wade
> > --- Liondream@a... wrote:
> > > Personally, I got Encore because the orginal cd
> > > release version I had bought
> > > seemed so bad. Then I got Force Majeure which
> did
> > > seem a lot better to me.
> > > Seemed like I was hearing clarity that I hadn't
> > > noticed there before. So I
> > > would say at least get one of the albums which
> > would
> > > be one that you like to
> > > listen to a lot and try for yourself. Also,
> > because
> > > of the nature of the
> > > original material, and how good of a job the
> > > mastering engineer did, the
> > > improvement will be more pronounced for some
> > > releases than for others.
> > >
> > > I got some of the new Synergy releases too, and
> > they
> > > seem better to me.
> > >
> > > Generally speaking, things had to be mastered
> > > totally differently for lp...
> > > having to do with eq levels, bass dynamics and
> > > available length on the vinyl,
> > > the physics of cutting the master, etc., etc.
> So,
> > > there was a lot of eqing
> > > and compression for vinyl that isn't necessary
> for
> > > cds. A lot of times on the
> > > original cd releases what you're hearing is the
> > > original master for vinyl
> > > just repurposed for the cd release - and in the
> > > early days of cds, people
> > > didn't really know what they were doing with the
> > new
> > > medium too.
> > >
> > > Of course, now there's the issue of the new
> 24-bit
> > > cds too, yipes - it never
> > > ends!!!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > << > > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:36:57 +0100
> > > From: René Brenner
> > > Subject: Re: Brazil. Cyclone SBM
> > >
> > > A general thing... what's up with those SBM
> > > remastered versions from Virgin?
> > > Is there a any big improvement when you compare
> > the
> > > sound of an older CD with
> > > a remastered one? I already thought about
> > replacing
> > > my older TD Collection
> > > from Virgin with the remastered versions.>>>
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:18:38 -0800
> > From: Kevin Keller
>
> > Subject: Re: Virgin remasters
> >
> > Wade Gordon wrote:
> >
> > > If you are going to replace your set
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 5:35
pm
Subject: Re: Thief, the video...
>I'm convinced I've seen two versions of 'Thief', both with slightly different
>endings. The first time I saw the movie I was convinced that James Caan gets
>shot to bits and then the movie fades to the closing titles. In the
>version that
>I saw on Channel 4 not long ago, James Caan gets up after the gunfight and
>walks
>away into the distance.
>
>Can anyone confirm if this is true?
>
>Thanks
> David
I know there is a 'Director's Cut' available of 'Thief'
so two versions exist but I sorry to say I haven't seen
either so I don't know what the differences are.
Rolf
From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
For what it's worth, I was at the Croydon 75 gig and can absolutely confirm
that there was NO drum kit on stage. In fact only the day previously at the
London Audio Fair , TD were demonstrating looping and had us in the audience
creating sounds for them.
Chris Wojtecki
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
> >Plus, after the successful sales of 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' I think there
> >may well have been some spare cash left over to buy a set of drums again
> >for
> >'Ricochet', and a little later, for 'Stratosfear'.
>
>
> I don't think my sleeve instrument list for Stratosfear lists any drums?
>
>
> >The acoustic drums are used for part 1, the looped ones on side 2...
>
>
> Yep, I also for quite a long time though that the drums on Part 2 are
looped
> - then I heard the original version which appears on Tangerine Tree Vol.7
(I
> guess I was the first leaf wo got his CDs) and it clearly has no looping.
> It's a pretty good drumming by Chris, with alternating monotonic sections
> and rabid bubbling slashes..
>
> John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:00
pm
Subject: SBM Logos scan
Click here:
http://members.aol.com/atye/Logos_SBM.jpg
Here's a scan of the back cover of the Logos SBM version CD.
Notice the top left (TD Definitive Edition) and the SBM logo under the
barcode on the right. The front cover is the same Logos live pic used
everywhere.
Hope this helps....
ATYE
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Thief, the video...
I once posted the differences to this list in minute detail.
I searched http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/messages,
though, and damned if I can find it. Basically, there are two
differences: 1) near the beginning, Caan talks to some guy at a
boat dock (this scene seemed inane and purposeless to me), and
2) he only says 'Get out' softly to his wife rather than
screaming it first.
Steven Feldman
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:35:07 +0100 Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6m?=
writes:
>
> >I'm convinced I've seen two versions of 'Thief', both with slightly
> different
> >endings. The first time I saw the movie I was convinced that James
> Caan gets
> >shot to bits and then the movie fades to the closing titles. In the
>
> >version that
> >I saw on Channel 4 not long ago, James Caan gets up after the
> gunfight and
> >walks
> >away into the distance.
> >
> >Can anyone confirm if this is true?
> >
> >Thanks
> > David
>
> I know there is a 'Director's Cut' available of 'Thief'
> so two versions exist but I sorry to say I haven't seen
> either so I don't know what the differences are.
>
> Rolf
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:34
pm
Subject: Tyger)CD gold disc).
Thank you very much for your Genial help, thouroughly appreciatd,i
appreciated your knowledgeable help,Tangerine Dream- Without
doubt,the GREATEST of all time.
NP/ Royal albert hall 1975, Probably the GREATEST of all time.
Best regards CJ
From:
'horrod6'
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:48
pm
Subject: [tree] A million thanks
The orgasmic noise coming from Scotland is me, listening to the first batch
in the Tangerine Tree. In fact, I've been so immersed in the CDs for the
last week that I have been remiss in posting this so late. But better late
than never.
Thanks to everybody involved in the mastering and production of the disks.
Thanks to the chain of supply, and especially Greg, who was a miracle of
speed.
Thanks to Joe for organising it.
Thanks to everybody who contributed to the gorgeous artwork.
And a million, million thanks to Heiko for having the idea and starting the
ball rolling.
LnH
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Date: Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:47
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Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] A million thanks
just plain evil
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From: 'horrod6'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: [tadream] [tree] A million thanks
> The orgasmic noise coming from Scotland is me, listening to the first
batch
> in the Tangerine Tree. In fact, I've been so immersed in the CDs for the
> last week that I have been remiss in posting this so late. But better late
> than never.
>
> Thanks to everybody involved in the mastering and production of the disks.
> Thanks to the chain of supply, and especially Greg, who was a miracle of
> speed.
> Thanks to Joe for organising it.
> Thanks to everybody who contributed to the gorgeous artwork.
>
> And a million, million thanks to Heiko for having the idea and starting
the
> ball rolling.
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
>
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From:
'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Rubycon SACD
Thanks Duncan, Ijust bought a SACD player, Rubycon will be my first SACD.
> i got my copy of rubycon SACD from www.eil.com
> it sounds great when played on the correct equipement :-)
>
> Duncan
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcelo Gutierrez' wrote:
> > I know that some of the list members have got the SACD edition of
> Rubycon,
> > can anyone tell me where they got it from?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Marcelo
> >
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From:
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Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:38
am
Subject: 'Speed'
>John Vertical said...
>PS: I just bought Antique Dreams - could someone explain what is the
>main sequence of Speed (Dragon) doing at the beginning of Calymba
>Caly? Something reeks here...
Calymba Caly on the CD is probably the most faithful to the actual concerts
than any other track on the CD. I wish they'd included the whole 'speed'
track because I prefer it over the released Speed version.
I wrote a 3 page treatsie about Antique Dreams. If you want, I can e-mail
it to you. Contact me off-list (feldon @ feldoncentral.com).
From:
'braddito'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:44
am
Subject: Re: virgin remasters
The remastered versions do just have replicas of the original LP
covers with no border, and look much better IMO. I also had some of
the first issue CD's but have now upgraded all my collection to the
SBM standard as I'm sure the sound is better.
Castle Communications also remastered the early albums (EM through to
Atem including Green Desert) with replica cover art - IMO they are
also worth getting.
Toby
> The SBM versions have no such borders and (I believe) are identical
to the LP
> covers. Also, the SBMs should say 'remastered' and/or 'super bit
mapping' on
> the back somewhere> --Daniel
> NP: Apoptygma Berzerk - Harmonizer
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: virgin remasters
>The remastered versions do just have replicas of the original LP
>covers with no border, and look much better IMO. I also had some of
>the first issue CD's but have now upgraded all my collection to the
>SBM standard as I'm sure the sound is better.
>
>Castle Communications also remastered the early albums (EM through to
>Atem including Green Desert) with replica cover art - IMO they are
>also worth getting.
>
>Toby
In that case, almost all of my classic TD albums would be remastered
versions. Only with the exception of Logos and Hyperborea, which are CDR
copies from the original releases owned by friends...
Do the remasters actually sound any way different from the originals?
John Vertical
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From:
'gmroger'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 11:34
am
Subject: Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
> I don't think my sleeve instrument list for Stratosfear lists any
drums?
Look again and it mentions 'percussion' - on its own, not
mentioning 'digital', 'electronic' or whatever. Percussion can
include drums, and you can hear these on 'Stratosfear' (like a
continual drum roll) and on 'Invisible Limits' (a drum-build up
before the chord crash).
I believe this was the last time Chris added real drums to a TD
album, unless you believe that 'Green Desert' was really recorded in
1984 (according to one of the guys from Radio Massacre
International)...
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 11:58
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
Yes...It was the first CD I ever bought... In it is what 'forced' me to
finally buy a cd player back in 1987...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcelo Gutierrez [mailto:tdune@n...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:26 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
>
>
> Was the original version of the album 'Tyger', meaning no 'Vigour' and
> original Tyger, ever released on CD?
>
> Marcelo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: René Brenner
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic TYGER (Gold CD)
>
>
> > do they have a 2nd one? ;)
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:27:37 -0800, j.gordon wrote:
> > > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD
> shop...
> > > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour...
> > >
> > > it is a Jive pressing (i don't know the number off the top of my head)
> and has
> > > black writing... to be honest, it looks dodgy, but it has the
> non-funked
> up
> > > version of Tyger, and i figure for CHF 7, i can be a tiny
> completionist... ;)
> > >
> > > jerome
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
>Look again and it mentions 'percussion' - on its own, not
>mentioning 'digital', 'electronic' or whatever. Percussion can
>include drums, and you can hear these on 'Stratosfear' (like a
>continual drum roll) and on 'Invisible Limits' (a drum-build up
>before the chord crash).
Okay, I thought it was referring only to the gong in Invisible Limits.
>I believe this was the last time Chris added real drums to a TD
>album, unless you believe that 'Green Desert' was really recorded in
>1984 (according to one of the guys from Radio Massacre
>International)...
Hmm. Since Chris was usually responsible for the rhytm, he perhaps also was
the one who decided that drums would be used for FM (though he didn't play
them), and Cyclone too.. Did he play them in Cyclone, or was it already
Klaus Krüger? The sources claim both...
John Vertical
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
see, despite all the bruhaha that Tyger is a 'weak' album, or somehow inferior,
such testaments as mj's show that it is a milestone, and a positive one at
that, in the marchings of TD...
;)
jerome
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> Yes...It was the first CD I ever bought... In it is what 'forced' me to
> finally buy a cd player back in 1987...
>
> MJ
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From:
'gmroger'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:28
pm
Subject: Re: Drums in Ricochet etc.
> Hmm. Since Chris was usually responsible for the rhytm, he perhaps
also was
> the one who decided that drums would be used for FM (though he
didn't play
> them), and Cyclone too.. Did he play them in Cyclone, or was it
already
> Klaus Krüger? The sources claim both...
>
> John Vertical
Interesting point. The sleeve mentions that Chris plays 'electronic
percussion' so we have to assume Klaus was given the complete job.
Same goes for 'Force Majeure' although we're lacking an instrument
line-up on the sleeve.
But then again, this information never always tells the full story...
maybe he did play drums, but Edgar told him that he couldn't have a
credit as he would have to pay him more money...! ;-)
Oh well. I'll look forward to my Tangerine Trees (hurry up!)
Regards
Roger Hartopp
From:
'Robert Wear'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1250
This is where I obtained most of the SBM discs.
http://www.absound.ca/index.html They are in Canada. I have them all except
for Exit. They sell them for a little over 8.00US. And yes, they do sound
much better, closer to the vinyl. I ordered Rubycon on SACD from
www.cduniverse for 20.95US in the paper sleeve. CD Universe also has the SBM
CDs for 9.95.
Robert Wear
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
From: 'j.gordon'
> see, despite all the bruhaha that Tyger is a 'weak' album, or
> somehow inferior, such testaments as mj's show that it is a milestone
Well, that depends. Michael, did you keep your CD player after hearing
Tyger? ;-)
For my money that album isn't so much a milestone for the band, more a
headstone. It's also, infuriatingly, the one and only album people seem to
have heard of when I mention the band to non-fans.
Everything is going swimmingly in the 'Blue Years' period, and then one day
Edgar walks into the studio with a book of Blake poetry in one hand and
Jocelyn B. Smith in the other. Chris and Paul exchange glances, and Chris
does a runner shortly thereafter.
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
> Everything is going swimmingly in the 'Blue Years' period, and then one day
> Edgar walks into the studio with a book of Blake poetry in one hand and
> Jocelyn B. Smith in the other.
rumor has it, she was anything but 'in hand'... besides, even if you don't dig
the singing, the music is top notch... alchemy of the heart, eh?...
> Chris and Paul exchange glances, and Chris
> does a runner shortly thereafter.
and, since the references have taken on such a grave nature, if anything,
j.b.smith was just a nail in an already crafted coffin...
jerome
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Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
In a message dated 2/27/2002 8:27:30 AM Central Standard Time,
ssaalyersjj@y... writes:
> rumor has it, she was anything but 'in hand'... besides, even if you don't
> dig
> the singing, the music is top notch... alchemy of the heart, eh?...
>
>
*I enjoy the instrumental passages on Tyger now quite a bit....
at the time it came out, though I don't think 'enjoy' is the word I'd use.
Poly
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Subject: Bernau cue sheet
you'll receive an upload notification soon, if you haven't already, about
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Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
If you aren't familiar with Dark Side of the Moog, it's Pete Namlook and
Klaus Schulze, usually with Bill Lasswell (he's on 7). It starts with a
slow DEEP bass sequence with some nice spacey effects over it. Then a nice
ambient 'string' chord section comes on top along with a powerful ambient
bass. After around 3 minutes some sharper effects start and some subtle
voice samples. Then a techno-sequence fades in with the nice ambience still
on top. It sort of feels like slowly changing from a foggy dream to a
faster-paced adventure. Now the techno-bass fades into the foreground and
the 'fog' clears. By now you're in track 2, but you wouldn't know unless
you checked the player.
Then the analogue lead picks up this really catchy ditty that becomes the
main theme for the rest of the track. A drum-loop finally comes in with
plenty of ambient choral sounds and rather interesting moog effects. The
main theme is back then, this time with the drums. After a couple go-rounds
of this and some powerful bass sounds 'techno' section ends and we fade into
track 3. This track is all ambient for about is 14 minutes until that subtle
bass sequence starts to fade back in. It takes a full 5 minutes to fade in
full and the stronger bass sequence comes in. Now we've transitioned into
track 4, but again, you'd never know unless you were watching the player.
The techno-sequence starts up again, still heavily fogged with ambience.
The bass is stronger this time around, and the drum loop picks up at about
1:30. After 3:00 the 'theme' comes back in. This time there's some
sections where the beat drops out altogether, but it comes back in force.
This stuff is everything that I wish techno was. Lively melodies AND great
beats AND powerful ambience! NOT a combination you see often.
To me Tracks 1-4 are sort of Part 1 of the disc. Tracks 5 and 6 are largely
ambient tracks that are completely different than 'Part 1'. Picture the
ambient sections of 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' and you get the general idea.
Track 6 has a slow, pleasant piano melody that's very nice. It's sort of
melancholy and introspective.
All-in-all a great album. HIGHLY recommended.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
Tyger is my least favorite. I would not go as far as to say ''weak' album,
or somehow inferior'. I would say it is different and should stand on it's
own merits. Which I would be hard pressed if you were to ask me what merits.
I do own on CD. I do play it when I feel the need to be reminded what it
sounds like. Which on the average is about once a year. Now, if this of the
same quality and material as say Poland, I would say about 50 to 60 times a
year.
I am so glad to be a part of a group that has such wide interests. Just
keeps me on my toes.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'j.gordon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:22 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
> see, despite all the bruhaha that Tyger is a 'weak' album, or somehow
inferior,
> such testaments as mj's show that it is a milestone, and a positive one at
> that, in the marchings of TD...
>
> ;)
>
> jerome
>
>
>
> --- Michael A Jean wrote:
> > Yes...It was the first CD I ever bought... In it is what 'forced' me to
> > finally buy a cd player back in 1987...
> >
> > MJ
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From:
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Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
I am sure there was much more as that album occurred. One should not knock
the socks off for trying something different. Well that was it for defending
Tyger... That was my best shot.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
> From: 'j.gordon'
>
>
> > see, despite all the bruhaha that Tyger is a 'weak' album, or
> > somehow inferior, such testaments as mj's show that it is a milestone
>
>
> Well, that depends. Michael, did you keep your CD player after hearing
> Tyger? ;-)
>
> For my money that album isn't so much a milestone for the band, more a
> headstone. It's also, infuriatingly, the one and only album people seem to
> have heard of when I mention the band to non-fans.
>
> Everything is going swimmingly in the 'Blue Years' period, and then one
day
> Edgar walks into the studio with a book of Blake poetry in one hand and
> Jocelyn B. Smith in the other. Chris and Paul exchange glances, and Chris
> does a runner shortly thereafter.
>
>
> Maff
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:49
pm
Subject: [antique dreams]
>Calymba Caly on the CD is probably the most faithful to the actual concerts
than any other track on the CD.
well the thief/sorcerer track certainly sounds like the music in the movies
mill valley film festival concert in november 1986....
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
I forgot to mention the SUPERB sense of space in the ambient sections. Great
use of stereo and dynamics. The sounds are sharp and clear over nearly the
entire range of human hearing, with cleverly applied reverb and such. You
feel like you are INSIDE THE SOUND!
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
This was the only one I couldn't get hold of, I have the rest, all very,
very good.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
Sent: 27 February 2002 16:19
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
If you aren't familiar with Dark Side of the Moog, it's Pete Namlook and
Klaus Schulze, usually with Bill Lasswell (he's on 7). It starts with a
slow DEEP bass sequence with some nice spacey effects over it. Then a
nice
ambient 'string' chord section comes on top along with a powerful
ambient
bass. After around 3 minutes some sharper effects start and some subtle
voice samples. Then a techno-sequence fades in with the nice ambience
still
on top. It sort of feels like slowly changing from a foggy dream to a
faster-paced adventure. Now the techno-bass fades into the foreground
and
the 'fog' clears. By now you're in track 2, but you wouldn't know
unless
you checked the player.
Then the analogue lead picks up this really catchy ditty that becomes
the
main theme for the rest of the track. A drum-loop finally comes in with
plenty of ambient choral sounds and rather interesting moog effects.
The
main theme is back then, this time with the drums. After a couple
go-rounds
of this and some powerful bass sounds 'techno' section ends and we fade
into
track 3. This track is all ambient for about is 14 minutes until that
subtle
bass sequence starts to fade back in. It takes a full 5 minutes to fade
in
full and the stronger bass sequence comes in. Now we've transitioned
into
track 4, but again, you'd never know unless you were watching the
player.
The techno-sequence starts up again, still heavily fogged with ambience.
The bass is stronger this time around, and the drum loop picks up at
about
1:30. After 3:00 the 'theme' comes back in. This time there's some
sections where the beat drops out altogether, but it comes back in
force.
This stuff is everything that I wish techno was. Lively melodies AND
great
beats AND powerful ambience! NOT a combination you see often.
To me Tracks 1-4 are sort of Part 1 of the disc. Tracks 5 and 6 are
largely
ambient tracks that are completely different than 'Part 1'. Picture the
ambient sections of 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' and you get the general
idea.
Track 6 has a slow, pleasant piano melody that's very nice. It's sort
of
melancholy and introspective.
All-in-all a great album. HIGHLY recommended.
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
*I've only heard four of the DSOTM series, but I have to be the naysayer here
and
mention that to my ears these releases sound extremely underdeveloped.
Klaus is sometimes accused of aimless noodling, and I find that to be true
here moreso than his solo releases.
Poly
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Eric Williamson
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: [Studio] Dark Side of the Moog 7: in defence of klaus
Quoting Synthhtnys@a...:
> mention that to my ears these releases sound extremely underdeveloped.
> Klaus is sometimes accused of aimless noodling, and I find that to be
most of the time he is accused of aimless noodling, it's because the listener
has a different expectation of what someone TD-related is going to do musically.
i think klaus is _firmly_ in the ambient genre. and i must say that i'm so
surprised that he doesn't get more props from the ambient posse.
klaus is a much different animal than t.dream. the dream are definitely
producers of music intended for active listening. i don't think the same thing
can be said about klaus. he may noodle, but it's not aimless. i think he's
acutely aware of his mood-building qualities ... as much so as robert fripp or
isaac hayes.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 11:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [Studio] Dark Side of the Moog 7: in defence of klaus
In a message dated 2/27/2002 4:53:43 PM Central Standard Time,
erwill@s... writes:
> klaus is a much different animal than t.dream. the dream are definitely
> producers of music intended for active listening. i don't think the same
> thing
> can be said about klaus. he may noodle, but it's not aimless. i think he's
> acutely aware of his mood-building qualities ... as much so as robert fripp
> or
> isaac hayes.
>
>
>
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>
*Hmmm just in case there's a misperception to what I said, I am a huge Klaus
fan.
In fact I consider such pieces as Crystal Lake, Totem, Blanche and many
others to be among the finest pieces of electronic music ever composed.
I don't particularly care for DSOTM, though.
Poly
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:13
pm
Subject: [tree] online CDR stores in USA?
anyone have URLs for 'CDR Warehouse' types of sites in the US?
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: [tree] problems with bernau disk? and communicating with your br anchline...
There is a problem with at least one branch of the tree on the Bernau CD.
It seems that it was either mastered or copied at a low generation level
with gaps between the songs. Please check your copy if you[ve received it
yet so we can trace the flaw up the branchline for correction.
Also, I recently received a complaint that a branch sent scratchy (not new)
disks to a descendant. While I cannot either police or rectify this myself,
I can reemphasize that you and your branchline should communicate clearly
about your expectations. Be sure to clearly specify with each other:
1. CDR type or quality - gold? silver? brand? etc.
2. CDR packaging - do you pack the CDRs in jewel cases or individual
cloth-paper sleeves or just stacked and padded? in a bubble-pak envelope?
3. Shipping - use a shipping method that provides tracking like UPS or
FedEx? Regular postal mail?
Thanks to all who have put tremendous effort into making this tree the most
ambitious and successful (so far) tree project I've ever seen!
JOe
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tree] problems with bernau disk? and communicating with you r branchline...
OH- and 2 other specific items to discuss with your branchline:
4. exactly WHAT you are trading in exchange for the Tree CDs
5. the timeline (exactly when the up and down exchanges
will occur)
(* NOTE: some people wait until they receive blanks from
their leaves before they make the copies; I prefer to
just make them all at once and send them out, regardless
of when my descendants get their trades back to me)
======================================================================
So here is the 'Laundry List' of things you should clarify with your trade
partners:
1. CDR type or quality standards
2. CDR packaging standards
3. Shipping standards
4. Exchange items
5. Timeline
======================================================================
Yes, there are some standards that really could go unspoken - like using
brand NEW CDRs for your descendants - but it certainly won't hurt to be
specific with each other.
Please, everyone in the tree: if you have not yet exchanged an e-mail with
ALL of your trade partners with these 5 items clarified, please do so now.
This will not only clear the way for a smoother transaction between you, but
will help to ensure the success of the Tangerine Tree project overall.
Sincere thanks,
Joe
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 6:37
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] the testament of TYGER (was Gold CD)
> -----Original Message-----
> > Everything is going swimmingly in the 'Blue Years' period,
> and then one day
> > Edgar walks into the studio with a book of Blake poetry in
> one hand and
> > Jocelyn B. Smith in the other.
>
> rumor has it, she was anything but 'in hand'... besides, even
> if you don't dig
> the singing, the music is top notch... alchemy of the heart, eh?...
>
And don't forget the INCREDIBLE instrumental section of 'London'.
Also worth noting is that TD had used Blake poetry before. The 'original'
vocal for 'Unicorn Theme' has words from 'The Angel' by Blake. Of course
the studio chose to use a Jon Anderson overdub instead (which I LOVE) which
ticked Edgar off. That could be where he got the idea for Tyger.
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 6:45
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
Keep an eye out. It shows up on ebay now and again...
It may still be in a few shops new.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> This was the only one I couldn't get hold of, I have the
> rest, all very,
> very good.
>
> Matt
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
Some of the DSOMs I've heard have some
aimless noodling. LB and I call this 'The Dresden Syndrome'
named for 'The Dresden Performance' - a 2CD set that seems
to go on and on with no building or melody or anything, not
even much ambience. Just repeated sequences and drum loops.
HOWEVER - Obscured by Klaus (DSOM7) does NOT suffer from this
malady! It is as I described: building and moving with cool
melodies, nice ambience, INDREDIBLE sound quality, and great
mastering. If you've heard the others and not this one,
you've missed the gem that makes the ring complete.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
>
> *I've only heard four of the DSOTM series, but I have to be
> the naysayer here
> and
> mention that to my ears these releases sound extremely
> underdeveloped.
> Klaus is sometimes accused of aimless noodling, and I find
> that to be true
> here moreso than his solo releases.
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: Steve Reich,TD
Greetings All!
Has anyone else read where Reich accused TD of ripping off one of his
compositions and making it into Love on a Real Train?I was curious about this
so I compared the two and they are incredibly simular.
I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate gripe.But when you
think about it there are countless numbers of artists who have copied TD and
got away with it.Including some former members.
Rick
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From:
tom807@a...
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
In a message dated 2/28/02 2:35:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rbrown4856@a... writes:
> Greetings All!
>
> Has anyone else read where Reich accused TD of ripping off one of his
> compositions and making it into Love on a Real Train?I was curious about
> this
> so I compared the two and they are incredibly simular.
> I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate gripe.But when you
> think about it there are countless numbers of artists who have copied TD
> and
> got away with it.Including some former members.
>
> Rick
Where did you (or anyone else) read this?
But if it's true I think it's more of them in the same league as each other
-- as far as that minimal repetitive type thing -- more than anything else.
Reich 'rips off' Reich, Philip Glass, and many other of those types of
composers. It's probably difficult not to!
Tom
MP3.com - tom807
SoundStage!
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From:
tom807@a...
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
In a message dated 2/28/02 2:35:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rbrown4856@a... writes:
> Greetings All!
>
> Has anyone else read where Reich accused TD of ripping off one of his
> compositions and making it into Love on a Real Train?I was curious about
> this
> so I compared the two and they are incredibly simular.
> I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate gripe.But when you
> think about it there are countless numbers of artists who have copied TD
> and
> got away with it.Including some former members.
>
> Rick
Where did you (or anyone else) read this?
But if it's true I think it's more of them in the same league as each other
-- as far as that minimal repetitive type thing -- more than anything else.
Reich 'rips off' Reich, Philip Glass, and many other of those types of
composers. It's probably difficult not to!
Tom
MP3.com - tom807
SoundStage!
The $ensible Sound
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
Which composition? I listen to a lot of music, and I can tell you that I
hear parts of others stuff here and there once in a while.
Before I could say yea that sounds like this or that, I would have to listen
to it a bit.
TD has influenced a lot of bands and composers. It would not be unlikely
they have their influences as well.
With the material TD produces, I just find it unlikely that they borrowed or
stole as this post refers, from someone. I would have to listen to it, check
the dates composed and find a likely way TD might have heard it to even
consider that statement.
I still have a problem with the ' My Sweet Lord' problem a few years back.
(check your history books on this and George Harrison).
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
> Greetings All!
>
> Has anyone else read where Reich accused TD of ripping off one of his
> compositions and making it into Love on a Real Train?I was curious about
this
> so I compared the two and they are incredibly simular.
> I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate gripe.But when you
> think about it there are countless numbers of artists who have copied TD
and
> got away with it.Including some former members.
>
> Rick
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
In a message dated 2/28/02 11:05:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
james.owens@m... writes:
<< HOWEVER - Obscured by Klaus (DSOM7) does NOT suffer from this
malady! It is as I described: building and moving with cool
melodies, nice ambience, INDREDIBLE sound quality, and great
mastering. If you've heard the others and not this one,
you've missed the gem that makes the ring complete.
James >>
*Thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye out for it.
Poly
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
TD has touted Reich as one of thier sources of inspiration
on several occasions. As for 'Love on a Real Train', I'd have
to say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I
don't see what the problem is!
I supposed he could just be jealous that the average person
knows the 'music from the train scene in Risky Business',
and only hardcore music people have even heard of Reich,
let alone know his music ('Music for ## Musicians' - see,
even I can't remember the exact title...)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rbrown4856@a... [mailto:rbrown4856@a...]
>
> Has anyone else read where Reich accused TD of ripping off
> one of his
> compositions and making it into Love on a Real Train?I was
> curious about this
> so I compared the two and they are incredibly simular.
> I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate
> gripe.But when you
> think about it there are countless numbers of artists who
> have copied TD and
> got away with it.Including some former members.
From:
odean@m...
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 1:03
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
At 03:55 PM 2/28/02 -0600, you wrote:
>I supposed he could just be jealous that the average person
>knows the 'music from the train scene in Risky Business',
>and only hardcore music people have even heard of Reich,
>let alone know his music ('Music for ## Musicians' - see,
>even I can't remember the exact title...)
>
>James
18
Oscar
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
Reich's original version of MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS is strikingly similar to
Love on a Real Train. It could be argued that one artist was inspired by
another, but it would be hard to say which one influenced the other. Reich's
release pre-dated Risky Business, but that's not to say it was composed before
hand... Personally I hear hints of LOART as far back as Macula Transfer...
MJ
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From: rbrown4856@a...
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:18:04 EST
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
Greetings All!
Has anyone else read where Reich accused TD of ripping off one of his
compositions and making it into Love on a Real Train?I was curious about this
so I compared the two and they are incredibly simular.
I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate gripe.But when you
think about it there are countless numbers of artists who have copied TD and
got away with it.Including some former members.
Rick
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:06
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
I read an interview with Riech in which this very subject was covered. He
said, 'Maybe I could have sued, but I didn't' (or something close to that).
If it's not enough of a big deal to him, I don't see why it would be a big
deal to anyone else - unless they were simply out to discredit Edgar (not
that I'm saying Rick is).
J
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michaeljean@e... [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:39 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
>
>
> Reich's original version of MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS is
> strikingly similar to Love on a Real Train. It could be
> argued that one artist was inspired by another, but it would
> be hard to say which one influenced the other. Reich's
> release pre-dated Risky Business, but that's not to say it
> was composed before hand... Personally I hear hints of LOART
> as far back as Macula Transfer...
>
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
Tom:
> Where did you (or anyone else) read this?
> But if it's true I think it's more of them in the
> same league as each other
> -- as far as that minimal repetitive type thing --
> more than anything else.
> Reich 'rips off' Reich, Philip Glass, and many other
> of those types of
> composers. It's probably difficult not to!
I agree with you on this 100%! To my ear, the two
pieces are similar mainly in form, and the form is one
that a number of minimal composers have also copied.
That they were able to blend it into a mainstream
soundtrack like Risky Business is a compliment to TD.
Adios,
Deb H-J
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Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 12:07
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
James & Matt:
> Keep an eye out. It shows up on ebay now and
> again...
DSOTM 7 is also available for download at Emusic.Com,
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 12:37
am
Subject: Reich
Here are some thoughts on the Reich thread.
For one thing Music does NOT exist in a vacuum. There is no musician that has
not been influenced by someone else... This includes TD, though it may seem
that there was nothing like them before, it's not entirely true. By the band
members own admission they were influenced by Hendrix/Minimalists= Reich,
Glass, Riley, etc.
/the psychedelic rock scene/Ligeti and many others who existed before TD....
there are certainly elements here and there from all these people. What TD
did was to take these elements and fuse their own sound from these
elements... Nothing wrong with this process... we're talking about how music
has always been made. The problem arises when you start getting to where there
's note for note lifting, and the exact same timbres used.... which is
(pretty much) the case with LOART. Although I think
they did have to change the version we know a bit to cover their butts.
(snip)
I hate to say it but I think Reich has a legitimate gripe.But when you
think about it there are countless numbers of artists who have copied TD and
got away with it.Including some former members.
Rick
(snip)
*Well, as for former TD members I'm not sure how they could 'copy' a sound
they had a vital part in developing... I don't think that's correct. Also the
problem with mentioning people who 'copy' TD, or for that matter any style of
music
is this: Musicologists pretty much agree that if there was one father of rock
it would be Chuck Berry... Now if no one 'copied' Chuck Berry the entire
Genre of Rock would not exist... no Beatles, Stones, or for that matter
(although much farther down the road.) TD... IMO the accusation of 'copying'
should be used only when you're talking about note for note ripoff... because
again, the entire history of music is each artist building on the structure
of what came before (to varying degrees).
I supposed he could just be jealous that the average person
knows the 'music from the train scene in Risky Business',
and only hardcore music people have even heard of Reich,
let alone know his music ('Music for ## Musicians' - see,
even I can't remember the exact title...)
James
*You may not be aware of him outside of the TD circle, but Reich looms large
in the classical world... I don't think jealousy is the problem. I think it
was their not asking permission. Does anyone here know the story of Reich and
the 'Orb'? Reich let them sample his piece 'Electric Counterpoint' in their
song 'Little fluffy clouds' ... I think it was mentioned somewhere that this
was because of the TD situation.
Reich's original version of MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS is strikingly similar to
Love on a Real Train. It could be argued that one artist was inspired by
another, but it would be hard to say which one influenced the other. Reich's
release pre-dated Risky Business, but that's not to say it was composed
before hand... Personally I hear hints of LOART as far back as Macula
Transfer...
MJ
*But Reich had developed his minimalism FAR before TD were around.
Poly
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 2:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Reich,TD
Well, I love this list for just such topics and info. I have never
heard of Steve Reich and LOART is what got me started into the Tangerine
Dream world back in 1983. I am listening to Reich's 'Music For 18 Musicians'
as I write this and am truly amazed at the striking similarities. Of course,
no musician lives in a vaccuum and there are bound to be 'similarities' or
'influences' in ANY type of music. I'd just chalk it up to 'imitation is the
sincerest form of flattery'.
Thanks for the heads up.....
ATYE
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From:
tom807@a...
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 3:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Reich
In a message dated 2/28/02 7:39:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Synthhtnys@a... writes:
> the psychedelic rock scene/Ligeti and many others who existed before TD....
>
Should Ligeti have sued TD for ripping him off for the intro of Rubycon Pt.
2? The similarities between it and Legeti's 1967 Requiem are unmistakable :-)
Tom
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Reich
In a message dated 2/28/2002 9:12:40 PM Central Standard Time, tom807@a...
writes:
> Should Ligeti have sued TD for ripping him off for the intro of Rubycon Pt.
> 2? The similarities between it and Legeti's 1967 Requiem are unmistakable
> :-)
> Tom
>
*You see!!! That's exactly where the problem lies! Lawyers! Suits!
Nobody should sue anybody... eventually time weeds out those with
nothing original to say anyway... thus leaving both Ligeti AND TD!
;-)
Poly
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: Canyon Dreams - which tracks are original ?
I listened to some of the tracks on the TDI site and decided to buy
Canyon Dreams and Antique Dreams. I intend to buy some more next
payday.
Both albums sound great on what I've heard so far, but I notice that
Canyon Dreams includes a note that additional tracks are by Jerome.
That's not a problem, but for interests sake, I'd be grateful if
someone could tell me which tracks are from the original
Franke/Froese/Haslinger recording.
Toby
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 11:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Dark Side of the Moon 7: Obscured by Klaus
Matthew Stringer wrote:
>
> This was the only one I couldn't get hold of, I have the rest, all very,
> very good.
Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com seems to have DSOTM7
in stock.
Antonio
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 11:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - which tracks are original ?
From: 'braddito'
> Both albums sound great on what I've heard so far, but I notice that
> Canyon Dreams includes a note that additional tracks are by Jerome.
> That's not a problem, but for interests sake, I'd be grateful if
> someone could tell me which tracks are from the original
> Franke/Froese/Haslinger recording.
Just the last one, Rocky Mountain Hawk, which iirc was tacked onto the album
when it was re-released.
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A81420r6ac48n
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From:
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Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 2:06
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - which tracks are original ?
Colorado Dawn was not on the original release either... That track is also by
Jerome...
MJ
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From: Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer@c...
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:50:48 -0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - which tracks are original ?
From: 'braddito'
> Both albums sound great on what I've heard so far, but I notice that
> Canyon Dreams includes a note that additional tracks are by Jerome.
> That's not a problem, but for interests sake, I'd be grateful if
> someone could tell me which tracks are from the original
> Franke/Froese/Haslinger recording.
Just the last one, Rocky Mountain Hawk, which iirc was tacked onto the album
when it was re-released.
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A81420r6ac48n
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 4:10
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - which tracks are original ?
Just to clarify:
Originally Canyon Dreams was available only as a video or Laserdisc.
This version contained 6 tracks including a longer 'Shadow Flyer':
Shadow Flyer (video version)
Canyon Carver
Water's Gift
Canyon Voices
Sudden Revelation
A Matter Of Time
Purple Nightfall is also on the video as the music over the closing
credits, but it is not titled on the video cover.
The original CD release (On Miramar records) contained the same tracks
as the video, except that Purple Nightfall was now given a title,
Shadow Flyer was edited, and Colorado Dawn (by Jerome) was added.
Recently TDI re-released the CD with the addition of 'Rocky Mountain
Hawk' (also by Jerome).
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michaeljean@e... [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
>
> Colorado Dawn was not on the original release either... That
> track is also by Jerome...
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer@c...
>
> Just the last one, Rocky Mountain Hawk, which iirc was tacked
> onto the album
> when it was re-released.
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 4:41
pm
Subject: Canyon Dreams - thanks for original track info
Thanks to all for clearing this up for me.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> Just to clarify:
> Originally Canyon Dreams was available only as a video or Laserdisc.
> This version contained 6 tracks including a longer 'Shadow Flyer':
>
> Shadow Flyer (video version)
> Canyon Carver
> Water's Gift
> Canyon Voices
> Sudden Revelation
> A Matter Of Time
>
> Purple Nightfall is also on the video as the music over the closing
> credits, but it is not titled on the video cover.
>
> The original CD release (On Miramar records) contained the same
tracks
> as the video, except that Purple Nightfall was now given a title,
> Shadow Flyer was edited, and Colorado Dawn (by Jerome) was added.
>
> Recently TDI re-released the CD with the addition of 'Rocky Mountain
> Hawk' (also by Jerome).
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: michaeljean@e... [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
> >
> > Colorado Dawn was not on the original release either... That
> > track is also by Jerome...
>
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer@c...
> >
> > Just the last one, Rocky Mountain Hawk, which iirc was tacked
> > onto the album
> > when it was re-released.
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 4:55
pm
Subject: TD Techno Sampler
Today a friend of mine who likes 'generic' techno heard me play some
RealAudio samples from Antique Dreams on a school computer. He asked if I
could copy those for him, and I agreed.
So what kind of a sampler would you suggest I'd make? Here's the 1st version
of the tracklist:
Calymba Caly
Gaudi Park
Network 23
Phaedra of Nottingham
Le Parc
Cool Breeze of Brighton
Sorcerer & Thief
Central Park
Choronzon
Dolphin Dance
Convention of the 24
Speed
sum '71'17
Source material:
Exit
White Eagle
Logos
Hyperborea
Poland
Firestarter
Le Parc
Dream Roots Collection
Underwater Sunlight
Livemiles
Antique Dreams
So could anyone suggest a nice 1-disk sampler? If you can't think of
anything by Sunday, don't even bother... Also, I'm not able to make excerpts
of longer pieces so they're out too.
John Vertical
PS (while I'm at it), one last word about the Virgin remasters: it's amazing
how sloppy the information in Exit is. It misspells half of the pieces,
lacks track lenghts (as does WE) and claims that it had Baumann instead of
Schomelling (ditto for Tangram). The last one especially fooled me for a
long time!
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:14
pm
Subject: music for 18 musicians
i think it was recorded in 1978 if it matters
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Techno Sampler
I'd suggest 'Dominion' from Logos
Horizon from Poland (long but it has two good beat-oriented sections)
'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' if you can get it.
Nearly anything off of Dream Mixes 3.
Cinnamon Road and/or No Man's Land from Hyperborea
I agree completely with Central Park, Streethawk, Speed,
Phaedra of Nottingham, Choronzon, and Dolphin Dance. I think Cool
Breeze of Brighton is a wonderful track, but I wonder about its
interest to someone who is a fan of 'generic' techno...
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> So what kind of a sampler would you suggest I'd make? Here's
> the 1st version
> of the tracklist:
> Calymba Caly
> Gaudi Park
> Network 23
> Phaedra of Nottingham
> Le Parc
> Cool Breeze of Brighton
> Sorcerer & Thief
> Central Park
> Choronzon
> Dolphin Dance
> Convention of the 24
> Speed
> sum '71'17
>
> Source material:
> Exit
> White Eagle
> Logos
> Hyperborea
> Poland
> Firestarter
> Le Parc
> Dream Roots Collection
> Underwater Sunlight
> Livemiles
> Antique Dreams
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Stravinsky: Symphony in Three Movements was RE: [tadream] Reich
speaking of influences...
I am SO lucky to have an awesome FM classical radio station here in town:
www.wclv.com
They have a handy-dandy playlist archive online, so I was able to go back
and look up a Stravinsky concert
I heard a while back. I'm telling you, this was written for some movie in
1945 by Igor Stravinsky, adn I swear parts of it sound like Berlin School
electronica! I mean he makes the classical orchestral instruments produce
straneg electronic-like effects in this. I was blown away! I even sat in
my driveway til it was over so I could find out who it was.
If you are interested in hearing what sorts of classical music could have
influenced the likes of Froese, Stockhausen, Carlos, etc., definitely check
out this symphony!
JOe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Here are some thoughts on the Reich thread.
> For one thing Music does NOT exist in a vacuum. There is no
> musician that has
> not been influenced by someone else... This includes TD,
> though it may seem
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: TD Techno Sampler
I think you have a good list so far. Here are some additions you
might consider:
Tutankhama from Tang-go
Voxel Ux from Quinoa (This song is great)
Yaraslaw Station from Transiberia (has a bit of a trace flavor)
Stratosfear 1995 from Tyranny of Beauty (you can use this as a way to
bring in more classic TD later by introducing Stratosfear)
21st Century Common Man (I and II, or just II)
Central Park is a must! Good to see that on the list.
These aren't exactly my favorite TD tracks (I've grown to like the
70's and early 80's stuff the most), but they are some of the more
accessible ones which I think would appeal to someone who likes
techno. These tracks are also short :-).
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> Today a friend of mine who likes 'generic' techno heard me play
some
> RealAudio samples from Antique Dreams on a school computer. He
asked if I
> could copy those for him, and I agreed.
>
> So what kind of a sampler would you suggest I'd make? Here's the
1st version
> of the tracklist:
> Calymba Caly
> Gaudi Park
> Network 23
> Phaedra of Nottingham
> Le Parc
> Cool Breeze of Brighton
> Sorcerer & Thief
> Central Park
> Choronzon
> Dolphin Dance
> Convention of the 24
> Speed
> sum '71'17
>
> Source material:
> Exit
> White Eagle
> Logos
> Hyperborea
> Poland
> Firestarter
> Le Parc
> Dream Roots Collection
> Underwater Sunlight
> Livemiles
> Antique Dreams
>
> So could anyone suggest a nice 1-disk sampler? If you can't think
of
> anything by Sunday, don't even bother... Also, I'm not able to make
excerpts
> of longer pieces so they're out too.
>
> John Vertical
>
> PS (while I'm at it), one last word about the Virgin remasters:
it's amazing
> how sloppy the information in Exit is. It misspells half of the
pieces,
> lacks track lenghts (as does WE) and claims that it had Baumann
instead of
> Schomelling (ditto for Tangram). The last one especially fooled me
for a
> long time!
>
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'j.gordon'
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
--- maggior wrote:
> 21st Century Common Man (I and II, or just II)
JUST wanted to point out the continued surfacing, like the prodigal son, of
tyger tracks in casual tadream list conversation...
;)
jerome
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quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 9:57
pm
Subject: Re: EMusic (was DSOTM 7)
In a message dated 2/28/02 7:10:16 PM, dhj4@y... writes:
>DSOTM 7 is also available for download at Emusic.Com,
>along with the other albums in the series. Of course,
>you have to be a member to download it, but its not a
>bad service for a relatively new EM collector like
>myself.
I think EMusic is a great service. You can get tons and tons of music in
unrestricted MP3 format, legally, for $10-20 a month (depending on how long
you sign up for). Among the labels they carry that would be of interest to EM
fans are Fax (Pete Namlook, Atom Heart, DSOTM?), Earache (Mortiis) and
Cleopatra/Hypnotic (Anubian Lights, Delerium, Dilate). If you like prog-rock
they also have Metal Blade (Spock's Beard, King's X, Transatlantic, Fates
Warning...), and if you like trance or ambient, there's Blue Room (Total
Eclipse, Juno Reactor).
If you have diverse tastes you'll find all kinds of stuff to download there.
The only major drawback is that the MP3s are encoded at only 128kbps.
(Sorry if this sounded like an ad!)
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From:
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Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: KS 'Jubilee Edition'
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 1:07
am
Subject: Re: Stravinsky: Symphony in Three Movements was RE: [tadream] Reich
Joe:
<< If you are interested in hearing what sorts of
classical music could have influenced the likes of
Froese, Stockhausen, Carlos, etc., definitely check
out this symphony!>>
Glad to hear you had such a good experience with
Stravinsky. In my opinion, he is THE MAN!!!! I agree
that his influence shows up in TD work. Also that of
Prokofiev.
I also credit my love and knowledge of classical music
from having grown up with a good university-based
classical station nearby (WUOT), that introduced me to
dozen of composers I have known and loved for decades.
Adios,
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 4:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
All you need is Dream Mixes (one). This seems to turn on the dance/techno
crowd that I've come in contact with. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 4:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
In a message dated 3/1/2002 10:28:30 PM Central Standard Time,
outlanda60@h... writes:
> All you need is Dream Mixes (one). This seems to turn on the dance/techno
> crowd that I've come in contact with. 8-) Dell
>
> All IMO of course.
>
*I've had great luck turning them on with DM3.
Although if they Like Chill out or Downtempo Rubycon still rules.
In fact if anyone here reads the English magazine Future Music.
They had a chill out special issue a couple of months ago where
they mentioned Rubycon in glowing terms as being one of the great
albums ever and a source for chill out music...
Poly
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From:
'Eric Williamson'
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 4:58
am
Subject: i just made a new track this afternoon, for those TD-enamoured.
I just put this track down this afternoon ... a structured improvisation
clocking in at 8 minutes or so. NO OVERDUBS. I may add some later, though ...
the Hammond/Leslies were crying 'play me, puleeease!!!' today.
it's called 'Every time i say i love you, you say bye'.
the location is http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/everytime.mp3
i _kinda_ ripped the bassline offa _Encore_ ... how's that for TD content? Oh
yeah, and the bass sound was an attempt to imitate a late-70s Franke
sequenced-synth sound.
feel free to comment/slam/compliment. or ignore.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 5:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
Read Future Music? Who here doesn't? I look forward to it every month, the
cd's and the mag.
Right you are on the article a few issues past.
Dale
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
> In a message dated 3/1/2002 10:28:30 PM Central Standard Time,
> outlanda60@h... writes:
>
>
> > All you need is Dream Mixes (one). This seems to turn on the
dance/techno
> > crowd that I've come in contact with. 8-) Dell
> >
> > All IMO of course.
> >
>
> *I've had great luck turning them on with DM3.
> Although if they Like Chill out or Downtempo Rubycon still rules.
> In fact if anyone here reads the English magazine Future Music.
> They had a chill out special issue a couple of months ago where
> they mentioned Rubycon in glowing terms as being one of the great
> albums ever and a source for chill out music...
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Ken Beal
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 5:25
am
Subject: ISO: Craig Chambers
Howdy All...
Craig Chambers if you are out there please email me comcerning a trade we
transacted in January of 2000.
TIA,
Ken
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 8:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
Thanks for the suggestions so far.
But they unfortunately haven't been of almost any use. I don't have most of
those pieces you've been listing... My post-Franke collection is still very
ascetic even though I only lack two of the older albums. I perhaps didn't
explain the 'Source material' list well enough. I meant that it has the
albums which I can use in making the compilation. So no DM 1 or 3, nor
Quinoa or anything like that. This list
Exit
White Eagle
Logos
Hyperborea
Poland
Firestarter
Le Parc
Dream Roots Collection
Underwater Sunlight
Livemiles
Antique Dreams
is what technoish I have from TD. You can make suggestions outside the list,
too - but note that of the latter stuff I only have Lily, Melrose, 220V, GC
and MP, which I don't think have anything that suits.
John Vertical
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From:
'Eric Williamson'
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 9:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
looking at that list, i'd just give them Poland in it's entirety.
it's got the 909 drums, the groovy sections, the sequences, and the last 4
minutes of the album are _intense_ (and in the phrygian mode, the favoured scale
of most acid house musicians).
it's also a very dark album. this quality may or may not appeal to you but is
almost essential for 'selling' TD to a techno fan.
most of the time i play the 'happy' (read: major key) TD stuff, someone asks me
what IMAX soundtrack i'm playing.
when i play the 'dark' (read: minor key) TD ... they ask me ass-kicking groovy
shit i'm listening to.
i love it all, though ... regardless of what my co-workers feel.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 9:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler
>looking at that list, i'd just give them Poland in it's entirety.
>
>it's got the 909 drums, the groovy sections, the sequences, and the last 4
>minutes of the album are _intense_ (and in the phrygian mode, the favoured
>scale
>of most acid house musicians)
I could do that later, separately. Good idea though.
>it's also a very dark album.
And also last one of them.. why did they have to sell their organs later?
>this quality may or may not appeal to you but is
>almost essential for 'selling' TD to a techno fan.
>
>most of the time i play the 'happy' (read: major key) TD stuff, someone
>asks me
>what IMAX soundtrack i'm playing.
>
>when i play the 'dark' (read: minor key) TD ... they ask me ass-kicking
>groovy
>shit i'm listening to.
I've heard myself quite various comments about TD... Someone thought that
Rubycon was something I've slacked up myshelf; someone then said that
Dreamtime sounds like a soundtrack for a B-class porn movie (looks like he
knows the genre ;-), most people couldn't even identify Alpha Centauri as
music, Convention of the 24 got titled 'Star Trek Music', intros of Thru
Metamorphic Rocks and Ricochet I were commented ironically as
''terrific''(yes, double apostrophes), piano solo in Pergamon had the
following critic: 'well, I suppose you *could* call this music' and the
usual comment (about eg. Exit or Coldwater Canyon) has been 'Okay... just
what is this? Sounds really weird.'
John Vertical
np: Yucatan - actually not as lousy as I first thought. I like the wide
percussion variety.
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