From: mike browder Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 2:07 am Subject: Edgar & David Bowie Did Bowie want Edgar to play on his Low LP? I remember reading that they were thinking about collaborating sometime during Bowie's 'Berlin period,' but nothing ever came of it. mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32486 Re: Edgar & David Bowie Chris Owen Sat 3/2/2002 3 KB 32489 Re: Edgar & David Bowie scfeldman@j... Sat 3/2/2002 3 KB 32500 Edgar & David Bowie fozziebear Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB 32545 Re: Edgar & David Bowie Georg Oppenberg Wed 3/6/2002 4 KB From: 'gkopuy' Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:05 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 1 Today I received the SHN discs from branch. The cover art is great. I printed it on a colour laser printer and it looks fabulous. Finally I have got Croydon 1975 concert complete. Ricochet was the first album I heard from Tangerine Dream. I believe it was 1984 when I heard it. I was immediately hooked up into electronic music and especially Tangerine Dream.... Thanks too all guys who made this possible. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34562 Tangerine Tree 1 Morgan Feldon Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34581 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 noir43 Fri 6/28/2002 4 KB 34598 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 Miguel Farah Sat 6/29/2002 3 KB 34565 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 Admin Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34567 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 Mark Filipak Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34570 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 PERGAMON Fri 6/28/2002 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE WHat is your address so I can send you the CD single to add to the CD? Again, is there something I can send you in return? > -----Original Message----- > From: scoobarama [mailto:mike_surber@h...] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:34 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE > > > I've never seen this album released on CD but that doesn't mean it > doesn't exist. Quite a nice LP, and seeing your mention of it here > made me go digging in my collection to verify I still owned a copy of > it! Luckily I do and it is a pristine copy, Michael. I'll be > transferring it over to CD-R myself simply for the convenience of the > format. Let me know if you want me to burn an extra for you. I'm > certain this one will be nice and quiet, plus I always do a little > cleanup afterward with Sound Forge just in case. > > Michael Surber > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote: > > I have been planning to transfer this 1984 vinyl album by Pink > Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright to CDR because I have never been > able to find it on CD. > > > > Does anyone know for sure whether it was re-issued on disc? > > > > Or is there anyone who may have already done a clean transfer, so I > could save some time (as well as some clicks and pops)? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32487 Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE Wade Gordon Sat 3/2/2002 4 KB 32488 Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE C. Chambers Sat 3/2/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 12:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar & David Bowie Hi Mike, In an interview I have (but can't trace right now), Edgar recalls several meetings with Bowie in the mid-70s (I think in Berlin cafes), where they discussed the possibility of doing some sort of acoustic/electronic LP together. If I remember right, Bowie's tour ended soon after, and they kind of lost contact with the project never coming to fruition. If I can locate the interview in a scrapbook, I'll confirm Edgar's recollection's in another post. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: mike browder To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: [tadream] Edgar & David Bowie > Did Bowie want Edgar to play on his Low LP? > I remember reading that they were thinking about > collaborating sometime during Bowie's 'Berlin period,' > but nothing ever came of it. > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 7:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE Nope, the Rick Wright has never been officially released on c.d. Wade --- Michael A Jean wrote: > WHat is your address so I can send you the CD single > to add to the CD? > > Again, is there something I can send you in return? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scoobarama [mailto:mike_surber@h...] > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:34 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE > > > > > > I've never seen this album released on CD but that > doesn't mean it > > doesn't exist. Quite a nice LP, and seeing your > mention of it here > > made me go digging in my collection to verify I > still owned a copy of > > it! Luckily I do and it is a pristine copy, > Michael. I'll be > > transferring it over to CD-R myself simply for the > convenience of the > > format. Let me know if you want me to burn an > extra for you. I'm > > certain this one will be nice and quiet, plus I > always do a little > > cleanup afterward with Sound Forge just in case. > > > > Michael Surber > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' > wrote: > > > I have been planning to transfer this 1984 vinyl > album by Pink > > Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright to CDR because I > have never been > > able to find it on CD. > > > > > > Does anyone know for sure whether it was > re-issued on disc? > > > > > > Or is there anyone who may have already done a > clean transfer, so I > > could save some time (as well as some clicks and > pops)? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32488 Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE C. Chambers Sat 3/2/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 7:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: Rick Wright ZEE Frankly, I can see why...even extreme 'fandom' will only sell so many records. Obviously, this is my own opinion and I by my expression mean to offend nobody, but... ...this album is not that pleasurable to listen to. Craig > > Nope, the Rick Wright has never been officially > released on c.d. > > Wade > --- Michael A Jean wrote: > > WHat is your address so I can send you the CD single > > to add to the CD? > > > > Again, is there something I can send you in return? > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar & David Bowie On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) mike browder writes: >Did Bowie want Edgar to play on his Low LP? >I remember reading that they were thinking about >collaborating sometime during Bowie's 'Berlin period,' >but nothing ever came of it. No thanks to Yahoo's lame 'Search Archive' feature, I couldn't find the actual posting, but . . . There was an interview with Richard Pinhas in which he said that just before LOW was recorded, he and Robert Fripp were in Bowie's Berlin studio one day when Edgar showed up, who started wheeling in lots of large synths. Fripp, whose 'frippertronics' were scrawny knockoffs of Brian Eno's equipment, got scared, and said something to Edgar that made him leave. He said something like 'David is not here right now,' but what he meant was, 'Shoo fly,' because he was intimidated by Edgar and his equipment. >mike Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Eric Williamson Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 9:41 pm Subject: Re: TD Techno Sampler Quoting John Vertical : > I've heard myself quite various comments about TD... Someone thought so what _positive_ comments about t.dream have you heard? funny that someone asked you if Rubycon was one of your own pieces ... first time i played my music for my friend tom lane, he asked me if it was tangerine dream. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 11:34 pm Subject: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) Hello everyone! It's been a really long time since I last actually bought a never heard before TD CD. The last one was Hyperborea, more than one year ago. After Hyp I got some CDRs I never heard, and substituted some CDRs I had for original copies. Still, I had heard some sections from Tyger before, so it's not 100% new for me anyway. So I've just FINALLY! bought Tyger (of course the recent discussions had something to do with this), and I have to say, I quite like this album! I had no problems at all with the singing, except only a bit with London, at first. But I'm sure I'll quickly get used to it. Hey, I got used to 'Rising Runner' (and I like it now BTW)... I won't go into saying things about each track, but I had already heard some or most of Tyger before; I already knew 21st Common Man part 1 (great), and I had heard an instrumental version of Tyger on the Spherical Harmonics boot, which I haven't heard in ages because it's, say, not so good for me, and I also had heard and loved the first 5 minutes of Alchemy of the Heart from the same boot. And I liked the original version of Tyger MUCH more with the singing. It's obviously more complete that way. The only low point for me was at some point in London, where they seemed to get a bit lost like I hear in these post-Schmoelling albums every now and then, but thankfully they get back on track and all in all, London is a great track. As I said, I already knew some of Alchemy, and the rest is also quite good. And the other tracks are also good. Well, just some old impressions and new, first impressions about Tyger. In the end I almost talked about each track anyway :) I regard Tyger a very worthy addition to my TD collection. And it was my 30th TD album (counting STs, studio and live albums), and that's a very nice mark :) ---- On a related issue, I think I've also got the Gold Tyger CD. It's number is CHIP 47, released by Jive. The inner edge has these words written: 'mastered by DADC Austria, CHIP-47 11 A1. Well, the CD is golden, so I'm pretty sure it's an actual gold CD :). The booklet is quite simple, just a double sided page with Monica's blue TDI logo, in the inner side there's a quotation and the usual info. Most unfortunately no lyrics or anything. I read on the official page, in the Biography, while looking for 'tyger lyrics' on google that the critics hated the album, didn't understand the lyrics nor read the booklet etc. So is there a booklet with something to read? Maybe in the vinyl release? And is this gold CD rare or anything? GJ np: Tyger (2nd time in a row, probably going for a third spin later) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32492 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Antonio Nunes Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB 32493 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] Gustavo Jobim Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB 32495 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Mark Filipak Sun 3/3/2002 4 KB 32502 tyger/poland Gustavo Jobim Sun 3/3/2002 3 KB 32496 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Admin Sun 3/3/2002 4 KB 32497 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Mark Filipak Sun 3/3/2002 5 KB 32498 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Mark Filipak Sun 3/3/2002 5 KB 32499 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Admin Sun 3/3/2002 6 KB 32550 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrot Owens, James Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 12:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > On a related issue, I think I've also got the Gold Tyger CD. It's > number is CHIP 47, released by Jive. The inner edge has these words > written: 'mastered by DADC Austria, CHIP-47 11 A1. Well, the CD is >golden, so I'm pretty sure it's an actual gold CD :). Sorry to disappoint you, but it's not gold. The Gold Tyger is CHIP 7, as mentioned a few days ago. I have the CHIP-47, and it may seem gold if you compare it with another 'silver' CD, but it definitely doesn't look like gold when I put it side by side with my 24 kt gold Equinoxe CD. Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32493 Re: D:Studio [Tyger] Gustavo Jobim Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 12:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] ah I see... well actually im not disappointed; i dont care much for this kind of stuff. of course it would be nice if it was the gold cd, but hey, the music is very good, the cd is perfect with no flaws, thats all i want :) GJ np. Tako (excellent progressive rock band from yugoslavia) >Sorry to disappoint you, but it's not gold.(...) >Antonio Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 6:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler (case closed) > > I've heard myself quite various comments about TD... Someone thought > >so what _positive_ comments about t.dream have you heard? Well, there's this one rap fan who unexplainably liked 3am... and then this techno-liking friend to whom I'm making the sampler, he liked Cool Breeze of Brighton and Speed much on the first hearing. Um.. that was about it, I guess. Most people in my age (16-17) aren't too wide-minded when it comes to music. The case of the sampler is now closed. I'm sticking with my original tracklist, save for the addition of 21st Century Common Man. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 8:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) Please, anyone having gold CDs... Antonio Nunes wrote: > > ... The Gold Tyger is CHIP 7, as mentioned a few days ago.... I don't think so. On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, jerome ('j.gordon' ) wrote: > > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD shop... > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour... That was 'CHF 7' he wrote (meaning 7 Swiss Francs) not CHIP 7. As the original Tyger was CHIP 47, I doubt that Jive would have gone backwards in their numbering. Jerome, can you clear this up? 1 - What is the catalog number and release date of the 'Tyger', gold CD? Anyone 2 - What is the catalog number and release date of the 'The Best of Tangerine Dream!', gold CD? 3 - What is the catalog number and release date of the 'Poland', gold CD? 4 - Which version of 'Poland' is it? ('Poland' has had more versions than you have fingers.) 5 - Did those 3 gold CDs come in a box? Did the box have a unique catalog number? Note: I suspect that what is being discussed is this: ________________________________________________________________________ Collection ____________ __/ Recordings \______________________________________________________ CDx3 - Disc 1: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 Disc 2: THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM! [1989] Jive (GB) CHIP 75 Disc 3: TYGER [1987] Jive (GB) CHIP 47 [19??] Jive (GB) CHIP K001 [1995] Rigu (??) -catalog#?- [1987] A&M? (??) -catalog#?- ________________________________________________________________________ Note: Title is 'Collection' and catalog number is 'CHIP K001' Were these gold? What was the year? Do the Rigu and A&M releases, in fact, actually exist? (anyone have these?) Were they gold also? (...assuming that CHIP K001 was gold.) Thanks, and Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32502 tyger/poland Gustavo Jobim Sun 3/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 8:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) How can you tell what version Poland would be? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) > Please, anyone having gold CDs... > > Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > > ... The Gold Tyger is CHIP 7, as mentioned a few days ago.... > > I don't think so. > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, jerome ('j.gordon' ) wrote: > > > > i have a gold CD of Tyger... found in the bargin bin of a zurich HB CD shop... > > CHF 7... it has the 'original' lineup, not the one with Vigour... > > That was 'CHF 7' he wrote (meaning 7 Swiss Francs) not CHIP 7. As the original Tyger was CHIP 47, I doubt that Jive would have gone backwards in their numbering. > > Jerome, can you clear this up? > 1 - What is the catalog number and release date of the 'Tyger', gold CD? > > Anyone > 2 - What is the catalog number and release date of the 'The Best of Tangerine Dream!', gold CD? > 3 - What is the catalog number and release date of the 'Poland', gold CD? > 4 - Which version of 'Poland' is it? ('Poland' has had more versions than you have fingers.) > 5 - Did those 3 gold CDs come in a box? Did the box have a unique catalog number? > > Note: I suspect that what is being discussed is this: > ________________________________________________________________________ > Collection > ____________ > __/ Recordings \______________________________________________________ > CDx3 - Disc 1: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 > Disc 2: THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM! [1989] Jive (GB) CHIP 75 > Disc 3: TYGER [1987] Jive (GB) CHIP 47 > [19??] Jive (GB) CHIP K001 [1995] Rigu (??) -catalog#?- > [1987] A&M? (??) -catalog#?- > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Note: Title is 'Collection' and catalog number is 'CHIP K001' > > Were these gold? > What was the year? > Do the Rigu and A&M releases, in fact, actually exist? (anyone have these?) > Were they gold also? (...assuming that CHIP K001 was gold.) > > Thanks, and Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 8:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) Admin wrote: > > How can you tell what version Poland would be? > > dale From number of CDs, title, total running time, indexes, and color of the printing: __________________ __/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________ CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5,11,6-8,9+10 (5 media tracks) as 'Poland' Performance seg-media trk index points: 1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-4[02:50] 9-5[04:20] 2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-4[09:20] 10-5[14:07] 3-2[00:25] 11-3[00:08] 8-4[14:12] [1984] Jive (DE) 8.28638 [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in blue; spindle: 8045-2-1-1T '21') CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6-8,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland' Performance seg--media track index points: 1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-3[02:50] 9-4[04:20] 2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-3[09:20] 10-4[14:07] 3-2[00:25] 11-2[16:02] 8-3[14:12] [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in brown; spindle: 88561-8045-2/1(V)) CD - Segs 1+2,6+7,9+10 (3 media tracks) as 'Extracts from Poland' Performance seg--media track index points: 1-1[00:48] 6-2[02:50] 9-3[04:20] 2-1[13:42] 7-2[09:20] 10-3[14:07] [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 [1984] Jive (DE) 8.26099 ZP (cover artwork tinted brown) [1988] Jive (JP) 32XB-221 [1984] Jive/Carriere (FR) CHIP 22 __________________ __/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________ CD - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6+7+12,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland' Performance seg--media track index points: 1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-3[02:50] 9-4[04:20] 2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-3[09:20] 10-4[14:07] 3-2[00:25] 11-2[16:02] 12-3[14:12] [1996] Ess. (DE,GB) ESM 365 [1996] Sequel (US) 1044-2 [1996] Dureco (NL) ESM 365 Note: The segments and their relationship with what was really played is still being researched. Roughly, the segments (some from the show and some reperformed later) are these ________________ __/ 'Poland' Suite \______________ (intro/atmosphere) [0:48] 1 Love on a Polish Train [10:42] (bridge 1-2) [2:26] 2 Poland 2 [8:46] (bridge 2-3) [0:37] _________________ __/ 'Tangent' Suite \_____________ 3 Tangent 1 [3:16] (bridge 3-break) [?] == break ========================= (bridge break-4) [0:50] 4 Tangent 2 [5:03] (bridge 4-5) [0:20] 5 Polish Dance [5:18] ___________________ __/ 'Barbakane' Suite \___________ 6 The Smuggler [9:20] 7 Warsaw in the Sun [4:43] 8 04:51 Barbakane 3 [3:17] _________________ __/ 'Horizon' Suite \_____________ 00:00 (atmosphere) 9 04:20 Horizon 1 [5:13] 09:33 (bridge 10-11) [4:34] 10 14:07 Horizon 2 [6:32] _________ __/ Encores \_____________________ 11 Rarebird [3:41] _______ __/ Edits \_______________________ 12 Barbakane 3 [1:37] %9 (early fade) 13 Polish Dance [4:20] %5 (shortened mid) _________ __/ Remixes \_____________________ 14 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 [3:57] %&+8 15 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.1 [4:43] &+8 16 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 [3:04] %14 (early fade) Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 8:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) Changed format (been meaning to do that). This is a little more clear.... Admin wrote: > > How can you tell what version Poland would be? > > dale From number of CDs, title, total running time, indexes, and color of the printing: __________________ __/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________ CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5,11,6-8,9+10 (5 media tracks) as 'Poland' Index points (format: seg=track@t...): 1=1@0...:48 4=2@0...:41 6=4@0...:50 9=5@0...:20 2=1@1...:42 5=2@1...:03 7=4@0...:20 10=5@1...:07 3=2@0...:25 11=3@0...:08 8=4@1...:12 [1984] Jive (DE) 8.28638 [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in blue; spindle: 8045-2-1-1T '21') CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6-8,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland' Index points (format: seg=track@t...): 1=1@0...:48 4=2@0...:41 6=3@0...:50 9=4@0...:20 2=1@1...:42 5=2@1...:03 7=3@0...:20 10=4@1...:07 3=2@0...:25 11=2@1...:02 8=3@1...:12 [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in brown; spindle: 88561-8045-2/1(V)) CD - Segs 1+2,6+7,9+10 (3 media tracks) as 'Extracts from Poland' Index points (format: seg=track@t...): 1=1@0...:48 6=2@0...:50 9=3@0...:20 2=1@1...:42 7=2@0...:20 10=3@1...:07 [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 [1984] Jive (DE) 8.26099 ZP (cover artwork tinted brown) [1988] Jive (JP) 32XB-221 [1984] Jive/Carriere (FR) CHIP 22 __________________ __/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________ CD - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6+7+12,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland' Index points (format: seg=track@t...): 1=1@0...:48 4=2@0...:41 6=3@0...:50 9=4@0...:20 2=1@1...:42 5=2@1...:03 7=3@0...:20 10=4@1...:07 3=2@0...:25 11=2@1...:02 12=3@1...:12 [1996] Ess. (DE,GB) ESM 365 [1996] Sequel (US) 1044-2 [1996] Dureco (NL) ESM 365 Note: The segments and their relationship with what was really played is still being researched. Roughly, the segments (some from the show and some reperformed later) are these ________________ __/ 'Poland' Suite \______________ (intro/atmosphere) [0:48] 1 Love on a Polish Train [10:42] (bridge 1-2) [2:26] 2 Poland 2 [8:46] (bridge 2-3) [0:37] _________________ __/ 'Tangent' Suite \_____________ 3 Tangent 1 [3:16] (bridge 3-break) [?] == break ========================= (bridge break-4) [0:50] 4 Tangent 2 [5:03] (bridge 4-5) [0:20] 5 Polish Dance [5:18] ___________________ __/ 'Barbakane' Suite \___________ 6 The Smuggler [9:20] 7 Warsaw in the Sun [4:43] 8 04:51 Barbakane 3 [3:17] _________________ __/ 'Horizon' Suite \_____________ 00:00 (atmosphere) 9 04:20 Horizon 1 [5:13] 09:33 (bridge 10-11) [4:34] 10 14:07 Horizon 2 [6:32] _________ __/ Encores \_____________________ 11 Rarebird [3:41] _______ __/ Edits \_______________________ 12 Barbakane 3 [1:37] %9 (early fade) 13 Polish Dance [4:20] %5 (shortened mid) _________ __/ Remixes \_____________________ 14 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 [3:57] %&+8 15 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.1 [4:43] &+8 16 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 [3:04] %14 (early fade) Ciao -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 9:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) Interesting. Then what version is the purple cover (maybe blue),1. Poland --- 1. Poland 22.00 2.Tangent 19.52, 2. Poland --- 1. Barbakane 13.49 2. Horizon 20.49 1984 Tandream Music Production 1996 Castle Communication Plc. Single cd. CD is green back, LC6448 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) > Admin wrote: > > > > How can you tell what version Poland would be? > > > > dale > > From number of CDs, title, total running time, indexes, and color of the printing: > __________________ > __/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________ > CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5,11,6-8,9+10 (5 media tracks) as 'Poland' > Performance seg-media trk index points: > 1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-4[02:50] 9-5[04:20] > 2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-4[09:20] 10-5[14:07] > 3-2[00:25] 11-3[00:08] 8-4[14:12] > [1984] Jive (DE) 8.28638 > [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in blue; > spindle: 8045-2-1-1T '21') > CDx2 - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6-8,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland' > Performance seg--media track index points: > 1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-3[02:50] 9-4[04:20] > 2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-3[09:20] 10-4[14:07] > 3-2[00:25] 11-2[16:02] 8-3[14:12] > [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in brown; > spindle: 88561-8045-2/1(V)) > CD - Segs 1+2,6+7,9+10 (3 media tracks) as 'Extracts from Poland' > Performance seg--media track index points: > 1-1[00:48] 6-2[02:50] 9-3[04:20] > 2-1[13:42] 7-2[09:20] 10-3[14:07] > [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 [1984] Jive (DE) 8.26099 ZP > (cover artwork tinted brown) [1988] Jive (JP) 32XB-221 > [1984] Jive/Carriere (FR) CHIP 22 > __________________ > __/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________ > CD - Segs 1+2,3-5+11,6+7+12,9+10 (4 media tracks) as 'Poland' > Performance seg--media track index points: > 1-1[00:48] 4-2[04:41] 6-3[02:50] 9-4[04:20] > 2-1[13:42] 5-2[10:03] 7-3[09:20] 10-4[14:07] > 3-2[00:25] 11-2[16:02] 12-3[14:12] > [1996] Ess. (DE,GB) ESM 365 [1996] Sequel (US) 1044-2 > [1996] Dureco (NL) ESM 365 > > Note: The segments and their relationship with what was really played is still being researched. Roughly, the segments (some from the show and some reperformed later) are these > > ________________ > __/ 'Poland' Suite \______________ > (intro/atmosphere) [0:48] > 1 Love on a Polish Train > [10:42] > (bridge 1-2) [2:26] > 2 Poland 2 [8:46] > (bridge 2-3) [0:37] > _________________ > __/ 'Tangent' Suite \_____________ > 3 Tangent 1 [3:16] > (bridge 3-break) [?] > == break ========================= > (bridge break-4) [0:50] > 4 Tangent 2 [5:03] > (bridge 4-5) [0:20] > 5 Polish Dance [5:18] > ___________________ > __/ 'Barbakane' Suite \___________ > 6 The Smuggler [9:20] > 7 Warsaw in the Sun [4:43] > 8 04:51 Barbakane 3 [3:17] > _________________ > __/ 'Horizon' Suite \_____________ > 00:00 (atmosphere) > 9 04:20 Horizon 1 [5:13] > 09:33 (bridge 10-11) [4:34] > 10 14:07 Horizon 2 [6:32] > _________ > __/ Encores \_____________________ > 11 Rarebird [3:41] > _______ > __/ Edits \_______________________ > 12 Barbakane 3 [1:37] %9 > (early fade) > 13 Polish Dance [4:20] %5 > (shortened mid) > _________ > __/ Remixes \_____________________ > 14 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 > [3:57] %&+8 > 15 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.1 [4:43] > &+8 > 16 Warsaw in the Sun, Pt.2 [3:04] > %14 (early fade) > > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 9:10 am Subject: Edgar & David Bowie Look forward to reading more about this connection as in this house we like both TD and DB. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 2:20 pm Subject: 'Voices In The Net' Updated After a delay of some months I have found the time to update 'Voices In The Net' again. Please check the 'News' section for update details. http://www.voices-in-the-net.de For those new in the list (and the others who don't know by now), 'Voices In The Net', subtitled 'The Collector's Tangerine Dream Discography' is supposed to be the most comprehensive TD Discography - - made by collectors for collectors. It is based on the printed discography 'Voices In The Dunes' (hence the name) with many additional information and is intended to answer such questions as 'On which album did the track Voxel Ux appear?', 'Was the album Tyger ever released on CD in the USA -- and when?', 'On how many TD compilations was the track Wahn re-released' and 'Did the transsylvanian release of Canyon Dreams on blood-red vinyl feature the bonus track Colorado Dawn?'... Enjoy T-Dreaming Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32503 Re: 'Voices In The Net' Updated koulos Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB 32504 Re: 'Voices In The Net' Updated Matthew Sawyer Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB 32506 Re: 'Voices In The Net' Updated michael_berling Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB 32515 Re: 'Voices In The Net' Updated TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 3/4/2002 2 KB 32526 TDI and security H. Tue 3/5/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: tyger/poland I also have an Extracts from Poland that matches this description. The only thing is that it's not gold, but it has the same 'packaging style' of Tyger, lacking details and stuff... >Note: I suspect that what is being discussed is this: >________________________________________________________________________ >Collection > ____________ > __/ Recordings \______________________________________________________ > CDx3 - Disc 1: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 > Disc 2: THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM! [1989] Jive (GB) CHIP 75 > Disc 3: TYGER [1987] Jive (GB) CHIP 47 > [19??] Jive (GB) CHIP K001 [1995] Rigu (??) -catalog#?- > [1987] A&M? (??) -catalog#?- Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'koulos' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Voices In The Net' Updated hello there > and is intended to answer such questions > as 'On which album did the track Voxel Ux appear?', 'Was the album > Tyger ever released on CD in the USA -- and when?' do you have the answer to the following were did kneuss come from? i have it on parallel dreams vol 2 [disk 6] and it says OST 1979 but in this year at your site there is no referense to any OSt neither any other track on the studio albums is the same so can you help me? > > Enjoy T-Dreaming > Michael > kostas From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Voices In The Net' Updated From: 'koulos' > were did kneuss come from? Voices in the Net deals only with official released, and Kneuss was never released officially. It's a bootleg. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32506 Re: 'Voices In The Net' Updated michael_berling Sun 3/3/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: re futuremusic mag chillout article what I didn't like about the future music mag chillout article which mentioned TD--is the photo overlay caption where it said something like 'in their early days TD made some great chillout music' which while true was an incorrect caption for the photo shown--it had a TD pic with Johannes Schmoelling--not exactly the early days....certainly not from the Rubycon era which FM were touting. --T _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32507 Re: re futuremusic mag chillout article Admin Sun 3/3/2002 4 KB 32508 re futuremusic mag chillout article Eric Williamson Sun 3/3/2002 3 KB 32509 Re: re futuremusic mag chillout article Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Mon 3/4/2002 2 KB 32511 re futuremusic mag chillout article Eric Williamson Mon 3/4/2002 3 KB 32516 Re: re futuremusic mag chillout article Paul Lawler Mon 3/4/2002 3 KB 32517 Re: re futuremusic mag chillout article Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Mon 3/4/2002 2 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: Re: 'Voices In The Net' Updated --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > From: 'koulos' > > > were did kneuss come from? > > > Voices in the Net deals only with official released, and Kneuss was never > released officially. It's a bootleg. > > Maff Hi, Maff is right. And what's more: The film 'Kneuss' is not even mentioned in the Movie list of the printed 'Voices In The Dunes' (at least I didn't find the entry). But there are some infos about 'Kneuss' to be found at Paul Fellows' 'Dream Gallery' (BTW another fine TD Discography site worth visiting): http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Use the link 'Film List'. Regards Michael From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re futuremusic mag chillout article yes Future Music has some neat stuff in it, but like anything else you read, you need to use your noggin a bit and think about what you are reading. I view it as a music mag, source for new stuff, what is happening a bit in Europe as well as the cd with samples to see what is going on out there. I would not buy stock with it or write a biography using it. A source yes, but not a 100% true factual source. So you are very right with what they ran being wrong. If it was my mag, I would have contacted TD, get as much factual data and ran it. Then again I might be broke waiting and doing that type of stuff. I am not sure anyone would appreciate it if there was a mag like that. Even the Rolling Stone doesn't go that far. All business you know. I ran a local newspaper a few years. It was my own from the beginning to the end. I even ran music items in it. Then again, I am not doing it anymore right now due to lack of interest and it paying for itself. So I think I can understand the lack of true information on Future Music's part. More than likely they did not know. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: [tadream] re futuremusic mag chillout article > what I didn't like about the future music mag chillout article which > mentioned TD--is the photo overlay caption where it said something like 'in > their early days TD made some great chillout music' which while true was an > incorrect caption for the photo shown--it had a TD pic with Johannes > Schmoelling--not exactly the early days....certainly not from the Rubycon > era which FM were touting. > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Eric Williamson Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 9:13 pm Subject: re futuremusic mag chillout article Quoting tei waz : > incorrect caption for the photo shown--it had a TD pic with Johannes > Schmoelling--not exactly the early days....certainly not from the i think that's a perfectly good example of why i no longer buy FM. they _really_ went to shit about 4 years ago ... which is unfortunate as it was my favourite music magazine for years. does anyone here have the FM interview with TD where 'Fast Eddie' Froese _brags_ about only using factory patches now? that article kept me away from great music for so long ... i really regret reading it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re futuremusic mag chillout article ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Eric Williamson' > does anyone here have the FM interview with TD where 'Fast Eddie' Froese > _brags_ about only using factory patches now? that article kept me away from > great music for so long ... i really regret reading it. Excuse me, that thing about only using presets - was that an error from FMs side or was it an actual comment by Edgar? Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32511 re futuremusic mag chillout article Eric Williamson Mon 3/4/2002 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II Tree Structure Hi Tom, I was noticing on the webpage that there was some artwork for another 'limited extracts' CDR for this set like the first one. Is there any way I can get a copy of this?? Thanks. Dave From: Eric Williamson Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:32 am Subject: re futuremusic mag chillout article Quoting Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media : > Excuse me, that thing about only using presets - was that an error from > FMs side or was it an actual comment by Edgar? I'm nearly positive it was not an error. The quote read something like 'We only use factory patches on synthesisers now. I got sick and tired of people sampling us.' I'm definitely paraphrasing, so I'll try to dig it up so i can be stood as corrected. But if you've heard any of TD's 90s output, do you doubt that he would say it? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 4:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II Tree Structure Sorry folks! This was supposed to just go to Tom R. Doh! Now I can say that I've sent a private message to the list! :-) Dave B. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Brewer To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 03, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II Tree Structure >Hi Tom, > >I was noticing on the webpage that there was some artwork for another >'limited extracts' CDR for this set like the first one. Is there any way I >can get a copy of this?? Thanks. > >Dave > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Are you on the tree yet? Go to >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'gkopuy' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 7:38 am Subject: Which 24bit SBM recordings Hello, On the Alfa Centauri Festival, 16th of March, I want to replace some of my Virgin CD's for the 24 bit SBM versions: Phaedra Ricochet Force Majeure White Eagle Hyperborea Tangram Logos Live Because I can't buy them in one go (I want to have some cash for new CD's) I want to know, which of the above mentioned recordings improved most from the new remastering. Ron Boots (Groove NL) played in his studio the old and the 24 bit versions of both Force Majeure and Exit. You could hear that the sound quality of Exit didn't improve much, where as Force Majeure was clearly an improvement. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32514 Re: Which 24bit SBM recordings Mark Filipak Mon 3/4/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Which 24bit SBM recordings gkopuy wrote: > > Phaedra > Ricochet > Force Majeure > White Eagle > Hyperborea > Tangram > Logos Live > > ... which of the above mentioned recordings improved most from the new remastering. I'd say that 'Logos' benefited the most, not only because it sounds terrific, but also because the two sections, separated from birth as two sides of an LP, were rejoined. However, I have not heard the SBM version of 'Phaedra.' Leaving aside 'Phaedra' then, of the remainder I'd say 'White Eagle'. Ciao -- Mark From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Sat Mar 2, 2002 7:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Voices In The Net' Updated 'Did the >transsylvanian release of Canyon Dreams on blood-red vinyl feature >the bonus track Colorado Dawn?'... > *Harf, harf... I vould deafineetelee loff getteeng zees von... Best regards, from Martin (...who never drinks wine... ;-)) www.ohmygoth.de Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32526 TDI and security H. Tue 3/5/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re futuremusic mag chillout article ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Williamson To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:32 AM Subject: [tadream] re futuremusic mag chillout article > Quoting Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media : > > Excuse me, that thing about only using presets - was that an error from > > FMs side or was it an actual comment by Edgar? > > I'm nearly positive it was not an error. The quote read something like 'We only > use factory patches on synthesisers now. I got sick and tired of people > sampling us.' > > I'm definitely paraphrasing, so I'll try to dig it up so i can be stood as > corrected. > > But if you've heard any of TD's 90s output, do you doubt that he would say it? I wouldn`t because they make good use of a lot of the commercially available sample CDs out there. In fact I think I have nearly all of the sounds that they use these days .For example, you can own a lot of the sounds from Dream Mixes 2 by getting a copy of 'Distorted Reality'. Its nice to load up a sound and think 'christ thats from such and such a track'. Paul From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re futuremusic mag chillout article ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Eric Williamson' > I'm nearly positive it was not an error. The quote read something like 'We only > use factory patches on synthesisers now. I got sick and tired of people > sampling us.' If that quote is true, I am surprised. > But if you've heard any of TD's 90s output, do you doubt that he would say it? It's a surprise that he would say it. And brag about it. On the other hand, no I am not surprised that they actually do use alot of presets. Their music sure sounds like it. Glenn From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:45 pm Subject: OT: yahoogroups sucky search feature I never realized how much it sucked until I was trying to look up somethign that I KNEW was in the archive. If you look at the URL as you navigate a search, it shows the message number with which it begins the search, and it only searches within that message through a range of messages. You can click 'next' or replace that number in the URL to begin the search from a specific point, but you are still subject to searching only through a range. Here's an example. I just looked up 'kaleidoscope'. I know there were posts back in 1998 or 1999 because I sent them. I've copy/pasted the results: Searched Messages 32515-31058 of 32515, 1457 messages (1 result) Searched Messages 30891-29272 of 32515, 1619 messages (4 results) Searched Messages 29271-27807 of 32516, 1464 (0 results) Searched Messages 27806-26254 of 32516, 1552 (0 results) Searched Messages 26253-23138 of 32517, 3115 (0 results) Searched Messages 23137-19757 of 32517 , 3380 (6 results) date range: 1/00 - 4/00 Searched Messages 19756-15197 of 32517, 4559 (3 results) date range: 4/99 - 5/99 Searched Messages 15196-12496 of 32517, 2700 (12 results) date range: 4/98 - 5/98 Searched Messages 12495-9812 of 32517, 2683 (0 results) Searched Messages 9811-7545 of 32517, 2266 (12 results) date range: 12/97 Searched Messages 7544-4820 of 32517, 2724 (15 results) date range: 6/97 - 7/97 Searched Messages 4819-1972 of 32517, 2847 (13 results) date range: 4/97 - 5/97 With the difference in search ranges, I would guess that the search is constrained by total message size rather than message number. They probably set a maximum search range per click so that people's browsers don't time out waiting for the server to return the data. > -----Original Message----- > From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:36 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar & David Bowie > > No thanks to Yahoo's lame 'Search Archive' feature, > I couldn't find the actual posting, but . . . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32522 Inferno prelaunch ready Peter Ravn Tue 3/5/2002 2 KB 32532 Re: Inferno prelaunch ready René Brenner Tue 3/5/2002 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:53 am Subject: The TD / Bowie Disconnection No Thanks to Robert Fripp At http://www.google.com I did a search on pinhas fripp froese like so http://www.google.com/search?q=pinhas+fripp+froese&hl=en and got the entire Pinhas interview, which is at http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~fernould/Dossier2/rpinhas91.html Here is the relevant portion: Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster + + + + + + + Interviewers Jan Tack , Marco Hinic, Serge Devadder & Henri Hanot: You covered a David Bowie track on 'East/West'. Richard Pinhas: Not exactly. I had recorded a piece but was annoyed by the feeling that I had used a series of 3 or 4 notes which I'd heard somewhere else. It's only later that I realized it came from the 'Heroes' album. It's practically unrecognizable but out of artistic honesty I gave Bowie credit for the track. The irony is that Bowie has all my albums and that apparently I was a candidate for the 'Heroes' LP! I found this very flattering. Froese was an other candidate but when he had entered the Berlin studio with a few tons of his Moog-material, Fripp, who was used to Eno's small devices, had become very nervous and that was that (laughs). Interviewers Jan Tack , Marco Hinic, Serge Devadder & Henri Hanot: Speaking of Froese, the Germans were never your favourites. Pinhas: Honestly, I didn't know the music of the Berlin School until some friends introduced me to it. I admit that I have more affinities with the English School and that I am not a Tangerine Dream fanatic, but this group has done tremendous work for electronic music. 'Phaedra' and 'Aqua' are splendid albums that I enjoyed a lot. And Klaus Schulze stayed with me a while, we had some nice discussions. However I believe Kraftwerk to be the most inventive German group. I'm very fond of their work. When they had recorded 'T.E.E.' they honoured me with an invitation to an interview with the French radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 9:04 pm Subject: ordered my inferno pkg just ordered my inferno package--wished I could order an XXL T-shirt. --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32529 Re: ordered my inferno pkg gmroger Tue 3/5/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 12:10 pm Subject: new 'Inferno' CD I just ordered a copy of TD's new release, the 'Inferno' CD. I'm curious to hear the difference between the audience recording (which is part of the 'Tangerine Tree' CDR project), and the official CD, which has also has a length of 78+ minutes. I guess that the 'Inferno' CD will be in many peoples' 'Top 10' list, the music is great. Heiko P.S.: Track 9 is called 'Dante in dispair'..shouldn't it be 'despair' instead ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32540 Re: new 'Inferno' CD LIVE!? Michael A Jean Wed 3/6/2002 3 KB 32546 Re: new 'Inferno' CD gmroger Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB 32549 Re: new 'Inferno' CD richter_arne Wed 3/6/2002 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:39 am Subject: Inferno prelaunch ready The TDI Mall are now taking orders of the Inferno CD plus T-shirt for $30 plus postage, check http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html The CD contains the following 18 tracks: 01. Before the closing of the day 02. The spirit of Virgil 03. Minotaurae hunt at dawn 04. Those once broke the first word 05. Dante in dispair 06. Io non mor 07. Vidi tre facce 08. At the deepest point in space 09. L'omperador del doloroso regno 10. Voices in a starless night 11. Fear and longing 12. Fallen for Death 13. Where all light went silent 14. Charon, il barchere 15. La grey de los almas perdidas 16. Justice of the karma law 17. As the sun moves towards heaven 18. Beatrice, l'ame infinie Regards, Peter Ravn Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32532 Re: Inferno prelaunch ready René Brenner Tue 3/5/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: drums in Ricochet etc. > Yes, we're quite certain. Most of the drums are a studio addition, the > rest are loops used in concert. You can easily tell which are which, > even without the boot. And they are real acoustic drums, BTW. Hi just came back from my vacation and saw this email (one of 307..now I know what to do in the office this morning ~lol~) I remember that in an interview (I think it was July 1980) Chris Franke said that the drum sounds are *not* made by real drums, but by using 'electronic cymbal sounds'...this is my vague translation since the interview was made in German language. Heiko From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 7:17 pm Subject: RE:Tangerine Tree Awesome! Thanks to all: To Tangerine Dream for making such wonderful music. To those who taped, mastered and shared. To those who made EAC and SHN sound easy, great tools. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33378 Tangerine Tree Whiteley, Steve Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33381 Re: Tangerine Tree scfeldman@j... Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33384 Tangerine Tree fozziebear Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33775 Tangerine Tree Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB 33949 Tangerine Tree Morgan Feldon Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 34032 Tangerine Tree hyperboreauk Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB 38076 Tangerine Tree edgar-rainer.berberich@g... edgar_berberich Tue 1/7/2003 3 KB 38077 Tangerine Tree Morgan Feldon feldon23 Tue 1/7/2003 3 KB 38080 Re: Tangerine Tree Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 1/8/2003 3 KB From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:35 am Subject: TDJ Rome - babe soda hello there as i was searching through ground liftaz site i noticed this GL006 and i downloaded the babe soda.mp3 which is an expert and i find it very good my Question is this is this cingle available to buy anyware? also is the image refering to the picture disk or all the disks came with the same cover? any help would be apreciated kostas ps sorry if this has been discussed already [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32564 Re: TDJ Rome - babe soda Kees Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB From: 'H.' Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: TDI and security Hi. I've just tried to send an order on the TDI Mall. Do my old eyes fool me or is is the only business site not using secure data transmission while requesting the custumer to enter credit card information. Be carful customers. I would not recommend using such a poor site for online orders. Herbert From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:57 am Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree Box for Edgar & Jerome Hi Gang Maff's cover printouts, label stickers and box wrapper arrived yesterday, and he really did an outstanding job. I glued the wrapper onto a cardboard box which contained Sony audio CDRs, and put the Tree CDRs into it. As requested by TD's manager I will send the 'tree box' to TDI in a couple of hours, because Edgar & Jerome showed interest in our CDR project. Let's hope they like what we have done, and that they will scream for more ;-) Martin, any feedback from them would of course be highly appreciated :-) Heiko From: Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:01 am Subject: INFERNO WEB CD out now!! Hi all, the INFERNO WEB CD is out now!, you can ordered on the TDI Music Webpage. Also you can see the NEWS on my HP: www.opticaldream.de And I have all available ASHRA CD`s on stock at this moment, please ask me. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32537 Re: INFERNO WEB CD out now!! Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 3/6/2002 3 KB 32542 Re: INFERNO WEB CD out now!! tom807@a... Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB From: 'gmroger' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: Re: ordered my inferno pkg --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > just ordered my inferno package--wished I could order an XXL T- shirt. Not for me, thanks. I'm fat enough as it is... Roger Hartopp From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD Techno Sampler Toward the Evening Star (from Goblin's Club) has a great groove to it. Not techno per se, but it's got enough beat to satisfy. Also the first 4 tracks of 220 Volt together make a very nice 'extended' piece that has many techno-ish sections. Worst case scenario you could use just the 220 Volt track (#3) and fade out after 7:45 or so (if you can't do fade-outs, you can just go to the end of the track, but techno-files might get bored...) I've already given my suggestions from 80's TD. James > -----Original Message----- >but note that of the latter stuff I only have Lily, > Melrose, 220V, GC > and MP, which I don't think have anything that suits. From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:37 pm Subject: S.A.C.D. releases Hey gang, Does anyone out there know of any other S.A.C.D. releases of Tangerine Dream titles. I only know of 'Rubycon>' All the best, Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32544 Re: S.A.C.D. releases Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 3/6/2002 3 KB From: René Brenner Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno prelaunch ready i wish they put some sound samples on the website On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:39:55 +0100, Peter Ravn wrote: > The TDI Mall are now taking orders of the Inferno CD plus T-shirt for $30 > plus postage, check http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html > > The CD contains the following 18 tracks: > 01. Before the closing of the day > 02. The spirit of Virgil > 03. Minotaurae hunt at dawn > 04. Those once broke the first word > 05. Dante in dispair > 06. Io non mor > 07. Vidi tre facce > 08. At the deepest point in space > 09. L'omperador del doloroso regno > 10. Voices in a starless night > 11. Fear and longing > 12. Fallen for Death > 13. Where all light went silent > 14. Charon, il barchere > 15. La grey de los almas perdidas > 16. Justice of the karma law > 17. As the sun moves towards heaven > 18. Beatrice, l'ame infinie > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:01 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream S.A.C.D.'s Hey gang, Are there any other S.A.C.D.'s out there besides 'Rubycon?' Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32534 Tangerine Dream S.A.C.D.'s Wade Gordon Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream S.A.C.D.'s Hey gang, Are there any other S.A.C.D.'s out there besides 'Rubycon?' Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:39 pm Subject: Martin, Melltron A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the Melltron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the K2000 to input the Melltron software in. What do you think? What I am thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano Synth in link? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Here is a copy ***********8 Hi, folks: Larry Fast just sent me a full description of 'Reconstructed Artifacts.' I thought it might be of interest to some of you here. Gary ********************************************************************** Artist: Larry Fast/SYNERGY CD Title: ³Reconstructed Artifacts² Label: Third Contact Number: 3CR-1010 Availability: late March 2002 Description: New performances, new recordings of classic Synergy electronic music pieces. Digital synthesizers, digital recordings. Titles: [1] RELAY BREAKDOWN (6:50) originally recorded January, 1975 for Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra [2] WARRIORS (12:43) originally recorded January, 1975 for Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra [3] S-SCAPE (6:10) originally recorded January, 1976 for Sequencer [4] ORBIT 5 (0:58) [5] ANCESTORS (5:34) originally recorded March, 1981 for Audion [6] FLIGHT OF THE LOOKING GLASS (3:36) originally recorded February, 1981 for Audion Metropolitan Suite (abridged) originally recorded September 1986 for Metropolitan Suite [7] NORTH RIVER (1:22) [8] STEAM AND STEEL TOWERS (6:16) [9] METROPOLITAN THEME (Main Theme) (4:10) [10] INTO THE ABYSS (8:16) originally recorded October, 1986 for Metropolitan Suite total time 56:14 Production & Engineering, Performance and Programming by Larry Fast for SYNERGY(R) Electronic Music, Inc. All compositions written by Larry Fast and published by Semiconductor Music Publishing (ASCAP) Most tracks were recorded January 2 through February 12, 2002 at the Synergy Studio on the edge of the Great Swamp, Morris County, New Jersey. ³Flight of the Looking Glass² was recorded live on tour, May 2000. Sounds were programmed on instruments manufactured by Kurzweil, E-mu Systems and Roland Corporation; software instruments by BitHeadz. Mellotron samples from the original instruments were reproduced using a Kurzweil K2000. Principal MIDI and audio recording was done with Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer(tm). MIDI and audio interfaces by Mark of the Unicorn. Final editing and mastering was completed in BIAS Peak(tm). DSP plug-ins for recording and mastering provided by Waves, Ltd. CD replication masters were created using Digidesign(R) MasterList CD(tm). Apple(R) Computer, Inc. Macintosh(tm) computers were used exclusively in creating this recording and artwork. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32543 Re: Martin, Melltron tom807@a... Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB 32547 OT: Synergy (was Re: [tadream] Martin, Melltron) PENFOLD Wed 3/6/2002 3 KB 32557 Re: Martin, Melltron Synthhtnys@a... Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB From: Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI and security I didn't even think to look it's so uncommon... What's up with that? Oh well, it'll give me a good reason to cancel that credit card... - jim tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Hi. I've just tried to send an order on the TDI Mall. Do my old eyes fool me or is is the only business site not using secure data transmission while requesting the custumer to enter credit card information. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] INFERNO WEB CD out now!! test Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: [tadream] INFERNO WEB CD out now!! > Hi all, > > the INFERNO WEB CD is out now!, you can ordered on the TDI Music Webpage. > > Also you can see the NEWS on my HP: www.opticaldream.de > > And I have all available ASHRA CD`s on stock at this moment, please ask me. > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:16 pm Subject: Martin, mellotron Part 1 A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the Mellotron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the K2000 to input the Mellotron software in. What do you think? What I am thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano Synth in link? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Here is a copy > *********** > Hi, folks: > Larry Fast just sent me a full description of 'Reconstructed Artifacts.' I > thought it might be of interest to some of you here. > > Gary > ********************************************************************** > Artist: Larry Fast/SYNERGY > CD Title: ³Reconstructed Artifacts² > Label: Third Contact > Number: 3CR-1010 > Availability: late March 2002 > Description: New performances, new recordings of classic Synergy electronic > music pieces. Digital synthesizers, digital recordings. > Titles: > [1] RELAY BREAKDOWN (6:50) > originally recorded January, 1975 for Electronic Realizations for Rock > Orchestra > [2] WARRIORS (12:43) > originally recorded January, 1975 for Electronic Realizations for Rock > Orchestra > [3] S-SCAPE (6:10) > originally recorded January, 1976 for Sequencer > [4] ORBIT 5 (0:58) > [5] ANCESTORS (5:34) > originally recorded March, 1981 for Audion > [6] FLIGHT OF THE LOOKING GLASS (3:36) > originally recorded February, 1981 for Audion > Metropolitan Suite (abridged) > originally recorded September 1986 for Metropolitan Suite > [7] NORTH RIVER (1:22) > [8] STEAM AND STEEL TOWERS (6:16) > [9] METROPOLITAN THEME (Main Theme) (4:10) > [10] INTO THE ABYSS (8:16) > originally recorded October, 1986 for Metropolitan Suite > total time 56:14 > Production & Engineering, Performance and Programming by Larry Fast for > SYNERGY(R) Electronic Music, Inc. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:19 pm Subject: apoligy Sometime tonight, you are going to see several post from me. I was impatience as I did not see the first one posted, then I did it again, broke it up. I just did a test and I do not see that either hence why I am letting all know, sorry for all the repeated posts. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] new 'Inferno' CD LIVE!? Hmmmm... The disc shown on the TDI website says it IS live! I wonder if that is the case... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:11 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] new 'Inferno' CD > > > I just ordered a copy of TD's new release, the 'Inferno' CD. I'm curious > to hear the difference between the audience recording (which is part of > the 'Tangerine Tree' CDR project), and the official CD, which has also > has a length of 78+ minutes. I guess that the 'Inferno' CD will be in > many peoples' 'Top 10' list, the music is great. > > Heiko > P.S.: Track 9 is called 'Dante in dispair'..shouldn't it be 'despair' > instead ;-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:38 pm Subject: [tree] box >As requested by TD's manager I will send the 'tree box' to TDI in a couple of hours, because Edgar & Jerome showed interest in our CDR project. 'bout time they got a copy of this project! --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32553 Re: [tree] box Wade Gordon Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB 32556 Re: [tree] box tei waz Wed 3/6/2002 2 KB From: tom807@a... Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] INFERNO WEB CD out now!! In a message dated 3/5/02 2:54:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, heiko@o... writes: > > Hi all, > > the INFERNO WEB CD is out now!, you can ordered on the TDI Music Webpage. > > Also you can see the NEWS on my HP: www.opticaldream.de > > And I have all available ASHRA CD`s on stock at this moment, please ask me. > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) I ordered mine today. I'm not afraid of the security issues. Just because I can't 'see' the security, I have faith in their site because I have ordered from them before with no problem. Tom MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tom807@a... Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin, Melltron In a message dated 3/5/02 7:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, admin@k... writes: > A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the > Melltron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the > K2000 to input the Melltron software in. What do you think? What I am > thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano > Synth in link? > There is a software Mellotron on the market (those computer based keyboards are called 'soft synths'. I can't remember their URL, though. I'll look into it -- I have it somewhere around this mess. Tom MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 12:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] S.A.C.D. releases test Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: [tadream] S.A.C.D. releases > Hey gang, > > Does anyone out there know of any other S.A.C.D. > releases of Tangerine Dream titles. I only know of > 'Rubycon>' > > All the best, > > Wade > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Georg Oppenberg' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 12:59 pm Subject: Re: Re: Edgar & David Bowie Hi, if Yahoo does not work, Google does the trick (-; See http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~fernould/Dossier2/rpinhas91.html for the interview with Richard Pinhas and read his opinion on Edgar. Cheers Georg > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) mike browder > writes: > > >Did Bowie want Edgar to play on his Low LP? > >I remember reading that they were thinking about > >collaborating sometime during Bowie's 'Berlin period,' > >but nothing ever came of it. > > No thanks to Yahoo's lame 'Search Archive' feature, > I couldn't find the actual posting, but . . . > There was an interview with Richard Pinhas in which > he said that just before LOW was recorded, he and Robert > Fripp were in Bowie's Berlin studio one day when Edgar > showed up, who started wheeling in lots of large synths. > Fripp, whose 'frippertronics' were scrawny knockoffs of > Brian Eno's equipment, got scared, and said something to > Edgar that made him leave. He said something like 'David > is not here right now,' but what he meant was, 'Shoo fly,' > because he was intimidated by Edgar and his equipment. > > >mike > > Stephe Feldman, androgyne > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner > http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster > From: 'gmroger' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:24 pm Subject: Re: new 'Inferno' CD --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > ...I guess that the 'Inferno' CD will be in > many peoples' 'Top 10' list, the music is great. > > Heiko No chance, there's VOCALS on it. I've said my piece on the 'Tyger' debate a while ago, but I'll say it again - this is a much-maligned album. It is a brilliant album no matter who it's by. It's only because it's got those nasty things called... VOCALS! Good chance INFERNO will be on my top ten, though... Roger Hartopp From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:33 am Subject: OT: Synergy (was Re: [tadream] Martin, Melltron) At 02.03.05-10:39, Administrator for kay-net.com wrote: >Artist: Larry Fast/SYNERGY >CD Title: ³Reconstructed Artifacts² >Label: Third Contact >Number: 3CR-1010 >Availability: late March 2002 >Production & Engineering, Performance and Programming by Larry Fast for >SYNERGY(R) Electronic Music, Inc. yadda yadda yadda.... >Macintosh(tm) computers were used exclusively in creating this recording and >artwork. is the phrase Lyrics Not Included and still no Electric Guitar to be found on this release? Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ mailto:penfold@a... Yahoo Chat: penfold235 AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:13 pm Subject: Martin, mellotron A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the Mellotron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the K2000 to input the Mellotron software in. What do you think? What I am thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano Synth in link? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Here is a copy *********** Hi, folks: Larry Fast just sent me a full description of 'Reconstructed Artifacts.' I thought it might be of interest to some of you here. Gary ********************************************************************** Artist: Larry Fast/SYNERGY CD Title: ³Reconstructed Artifacts² Label: Third Contact Number: 3CR-1010 Availability: late March 2002 Description: New performances, new recordings of classic Synergy electronic music pieces. Digital synthesizers, digital recordings. Titles: [1] RELAY BREAKDOWN (6:50) originally recorded January, 1975 for Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra [2] WARRIORS (12:43) originally recorded January, 1975 for Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra [3] S-SCAPE (6:10) originally recorded January, 1976 for Sequencer [4] ORBIT 5 (0:58) [5] ANCESTORS (5:34) originally recorded March, 1981 for Audion [6] FLIGHT OF THE LOOKING GLASS (3:36) originally recorded February, 1981 for Audion Metropolitan Suite (abridged) originally recorded September 1986 for Metropolitan Suite [7] NORTH RIVER (1:22) [8] STEAM AND STEEL TOWERS (6:16) [9] METROPOLITAN THEME (Main Theme) (4:10) [10] INTO THE ABYSS (8:16) originally recorded October, 1986 for Metropolitan Suite total time 56:14 Production & Engineering, Performance and Programming by Larry Fast for SYNERGY(R) Electronic Music, Inc. All compositions written by Larry Fast and published by Semiconductor Music Publishing (ASCAP) Most tracks were recorded January 2 through February 12, 2002 at the Synergy Studio on the edge of the Great Swamp, Morris County, New Jersey. ³Flight of the Looking Glass² was recorded live on tour, May 2000. Sounds were programmed on instruments manufactured by Kurzweil, E-mu Systems and Roland Corporation; software instruments by BitHeadz. Mellotron samples from the original instruments were reproduced using a Kurzweil K2000. Principal MIDI and audio recording was done with Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer(tm). MIDI and audio interfaces by Mark of the Unicorn. Final editing and mastering was completed in BIAS Peak(tm). DSP plug-ins for recording and mastering provided by Waves, Ltd. CD replication masters were created using Digidesign(R) MasterList CD(tm). Apple(R) Computer, Inc. Macintosh(tm) computers were used exclusively in creating this recording and artwork. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32566 Re: Martin, mellotron mars103nl Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB 32568 Re: Martin, mellotron Admin Thu 3/7/2002 5 KB From: 'richter_arne' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 11:34 am Subject: Re: new 'Inferno' CD --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > P.S.: Track 9 is called 'Dante in dispair'..shouldn't it be 'despair' > instead ;-) Indeed it should be 'despair', however I believe it is track 5 you are referring to (List on the TDI-Music Mall). Then again, track 9 is called 'L'omperador del doloroso regno' when it should be called 'L'emperador del doloroso regno', as probably our italian-speaking friends can confirm. Then again, track 15 is called 'La grey de los almas perdidas' when it should be called 'La grey de las almas perdidas', as probably our spanish-speaking friends can confirm. So only 3 typos, not sooo bad compared to previous TDI releases ;-) Let's see what the booklet has to offer ;-) By the way: track 14 doesn't make much sense to me either. According to my rather extensive dictionary, there is no such word as 'barchere' in italian and Dante did also not use that word to describe Charon, the famous boatman from Hell, in his poem. Did TD 'invent' it? For boatman, I only found the italian 'barcaiolo' and in Spanish: 'barchero' Any comments from italian list members? By the way, for those interested in the original work by Dante, there is a full english version of the entire text of the Divine Comedy on the internet. Makes for an interesting read while the disc is playing: http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/dante/dante_contents.htm Arne From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Tyger] (quite a lot of stuff I wrote here) As far as I know there is no 'booklet'. The Vinyl release I have has the lyrics printed on the inner slip-cover. They are adapted from various William Blake poetry. London (for instance) contains parts from 'London', 'The Fly', 'America: A Prophecy', and (uncredited on the slip-cover) 'A Little Girl Lost'. I've submitted some updates which are posted on the tadream.net page. Click on 'Archives' and there will be a folder called 'Lyrics'. James > -----Original Message----- > So is there a booklet with something to read? > Maybe in the vinyl release? And is this gold CD rare or anything? > > Gustavo Jobim From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 12:18 pm Subject: Bilbao '76 art work request As this is a relatively new release, I don't have the art for my soon to arrive CDR's. I'd be very grateful if someone could mail me the .jpg's for the CD case inserts. Thanks in advance Toby From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 12:56 pm Subject: Kneuss >Voices in the Net deals only with official released, at the moment, yes, but it will cover some 'unofficial' stuff in the near future. >and Kneuss was never released officially. It's a bootleg. Well, the film was run on German TV (I have a videotape of it), which most certainly makes it 'official'. Of course, a soundtrack LP or CD was never released, if that was what you meant. cheers, klaus From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] box What exactly is 'the tree box?' Wade --- tei waz wrote: > >As requested by TD's manager I will send the 'tree > box' to TDI in a > couple of hours, because Edgar & Jerome showed > interest in our CDR > project. > > 'bout time they got a copy of this project! > > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Eric Williamson Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: new M-Tron banks with TD samples released. this may be old news: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/M-Tron-Tape-Banks-Vol-2.html doesn't look like they nabbed the Encore 'Moog Modular Brass' tapes. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 10:09 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: [SPACEMUSIC] FSP and Waveworld Are you planning to attend any of the upcoming spring shows? MJ >>> cruggiero@m... 10/14/01 09:48AM >>> I haven't posted much to these lists lately, but I just have to say that I made the journey from Hartford, CT to Philadelphia, PA yesterday to see the show and I was not at all disappointed. The performance from Free System Projekt consisted of three long pieces (about 15 - 20 minutes each), much of it ambient with some interesting analogue sequences. I did get to speak to Marcel briefly and he said that the sequence from the second track they played came about from the Okefenokee meeting earlier this year (TD-related content!), but would not be appearing on the CD that will be coming out from it - he did say that Quantum is going to be producing that release (Marcel, I hope I'm not giving away any secrets here). I am hoping that someday their concert from last night is made available for release - there was one small loss of sound during a sequence that needs to be fixed though before that can happen. I enjoyed it immensely. There was a short break and then Wave World was announced. They are most certainly performers in a broader sense of the term, in that they are not only musicians but come dressed in monk-like robes and have a symbol painted upon their faces, they also have an interesting computer generated video playing above them. Their music ranges from floating ambience to fast-paced rhythms and melodies. I recognized many tracks from their first two albums and I'm hoping that some of the others that were played are on the Dimensions CD and the Sphere CD-single I picked up before the show. They seemed to be enjoying themselves because they were smiling and laughing and, at times, bobbing their heads in time with the music. I look forward to see what these guys come with in the future - musically and visually. Highly recommended to anyone who has the chance to go see them. It was nice to meet some list members who were previously just names on email I have received - Thanks to Michael Jean for the company and to the others I met briefly. Carlo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 10:09 pm Subject: re: [tree] box re waht's the [tree] box the box is on the same page/website as the artwork at www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin, Melltron In a message dated 3/5/02 4:20:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, admin@k... writes: << A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the Melltron. *There's a 'softsynth' called M-Tron... I think this is what you're thinking of. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the K2000 to input the Melltron software in. What do you think? What I am thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano Synth in link? *I have an MS2000 (great synth) but not really good at Mellotron emulations... The K2000 is a Kurzweil, which I believe has a sampler and that's probably what he's using... Poly From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 12:49 pm Subject: TDI credit card security ----- Original Message ----- From: > I ordered mine today. I'm not afraid of the security issues. Just because I > can't 'see' the security, I have faith in their site because I have ordered > from them before with no problem. If you cannot see the security, there is a good chance they dont have any. The protocol 'https' which is used to indicate a secure server does not exist in the source code of the order page. In fact, their terms & conditions page says they do not have credit card security: 'Please note that we don't provide a security server for all Credit Card transactions. All credit card payments are at the customer's own risk! TDI Music® can not be made responsible for any damage nor made liable for compensation of damage caused by credit card piracy conducted by a third party or person.' If you are worried about credit card security at all, I would not make purchases from TDI. Creating a minimum of security is easy and cheap, and it can even be done for free. Martin, contact me if you want more information. Glenn From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 11:57 pm Subject: MTron question OT Dale, I think I can answer this question for you... the emulation software we were discussing was the MTron from Gmedia. The MTron is a vsti plug-in instrument, which means it requires an ASIO 2.0 compliant host... e.g., Cubase, Logic, to name two (Performer has its own thing called MAS). I believe there is something called a DX Wrapper, which will let you run Vsti instruments in a DX environment, but I haven't personally used it, so I can't vouch for it and I don't know that it works for instruments (as opposed to effects). I don't think there's a dxi version of the MTron yet, so I don't know that it would work in Sonar (if that's your host). The Kurzweil K2000 is a hardware keyboard, and is not a vsti host so you couldn't load MTron into it. You could, however, use the K2000 or the Korg unit you mentioned as a controller. Reading the response from Larry Fast, I would say that what he is talking about is a Mellotron sampling cd that he probably used, and not the Mtron vsti plugin. There are several mellotron sample cds out there that I'm aware of, including one that I think is being marketed by the (current) Mellotron company itself. Of course, it's also possible that he sampled the mellotron himself, since for a while at least I think he had one? Hey, I think I can bring this kinda back on topic... As a matter of interest to MTron owners... there is a second set of additional sound banks that will be available starting on the 14th, which includes three instruments apparently taken from old tapes that used to belong to Tangerine Dream. How's that for on topic!!! (kind of) This sound set also includes sounds from Genesis and Yes, and as a further matter of interest... the guy who owns the orginal instruments and tapes that these were produced from also has a unit (apparently) that once belonged to Klaus Schultze. Wes <<< Message: 5 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:39:32 -0800 From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Subject: Martin, Melltron A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the Melltron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the K2000 to input the Melltron software in. What do you think? What I am thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano Synth in link? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.>>> From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 12:26 am Subject: Fairlight I recently read an interview with Stewart Copeland where he talked about using the Fairlight synth to help compose some of the songs for Animal Logic. I guess that's also what gave him his trademark sound (beyond drumming) before he composed more orchestral pieces. This put me to wondering: has TD ever used a Fairlight in any compositions? I couldn't find any evidence through a simple scan of albums, but I swear that I hear one on the Legend soundtrack... I'm not too knowledgeable about the technical side of the music at all, so no bashing please! - jim __________________________________________________ Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32567 Re: Fairlight TheInfection Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB 32630 Re: Fairlight Miguel Farah F. Sun 3/10/2002 2 KB 32579 Re: Fairlight moxica@m... Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 12:40 am Subject: re: Fairlight synth >Fairlight synth I think someone on this list suggested TD didn't like the fairlight's resolution.... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32569 Re: Fairlight synth mars103nl Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB 32578 Re: Fairlight synth goozergrafx Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 6:26 pm Subject: [tree] Bilbao art >Toby said: >As this is a relatively new release, I don't have the art for my soon >to arrive CDR's. I'd be very grateful if someone could mail me >the .jpg's for the CD case inserts. http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/ Bilbao is Volume 6. Keep in mind this artwork is for the Tangerine Tree, not the standalone version of Bilbao 76. Also, if you are just getting the CDRs of Bilbao by trade, instead of as part of the Tangerine Tree, you aren't getting the digitally remastered version. >Wade asked: >What exactly is 'the tree box?' For the Tangerine Tree, which is an ongoing collection of the best digitally remastered concert recordings available of Tangerine Dream, you can either put the discs in 10 individual boxes (jewel cases), 8 boxes with 2 double jewels, or you can build the cardboard boxed set which Joe Shoults has put together. There is a large piece of artwork that you print out and stick to the box. http://www.tadream.net/tree/ click on ARTWORK at the top -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32583 Re: [tree] Bilbao art Joe Shoults Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB 32584 Re: [tree] Bilbao art Matthew Sawyer Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:11 pm Subject: TD mentioned in 'Der Spiegel' Germany's most respected news magazine 'Der Spiegel' (10/2002, p.238) mentions TD in an epithaph for Oskar Sala. The inventor of a one-off electronic music machine (he supplied the bird shrieks for Hitchcock's film), Sala has passed away at age 91. 'DJs, and pop groups like Kraftwerk or Tangerine Dream' are said to have been introduced to his machine. cheers, klaus From: Kees Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDJ Rome - babe soda At 12:35 5-3-02 +0200, you wrote: >hello there > >as i was searching through ground liftaz site i noticed this GL006 and i >downloaded the babe soda.mp3 which is an expert and i find it very good > >my Question is this is this cingle available to buy anyware? http://www.groove.nl All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Electronic music http://www.groove.nl ---> Web design http://www.a-biz.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Victor Rek Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 2:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] new 'Inferno' CD LIVE at the Okefenokee!? Note to all fans attending the Ricochet Gathering at Okefenokee 2002. I'll have the INFERNO CD available for sale at cost, so let me know if I need to bring an original directly from Berlin for you. As for the Okefenokee Event this spring, we have two spots left, so contact me ASAP if you wish to join us. http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm Vic -----Original Message----- From: Michael A Jean [SMTP:michaeljean@e...] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:41 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] new 'Inferno' CD LIVE!? Hmmmm... The disc shown on the TDI website says it IS live! I wonder if that is the case... MJ From: 'mars103nl' Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: Martin, mellotron --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > A while back we where talking about the software program that emulates the > Mellotron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast using the > K2000 to input the Mellotron software in. What do you think? What I am > thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis Nano > Synth in link? How would you want to do that on a MS2000? Larry used the sampling option on the K2000, I'm not sure if the MS2000 has that. I'm almost sure it doesn't. Marcel From: TheInfection Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 6:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fairlight --- Jim Moore wrote: > I recently read an interview with Stewart Copeland > where he talked about > using the Fairlight synth to help compose some of > the songs for Animal > Logic. I guess that's also what gave him his > trademark sound (beyond > drumming) before he composed more orchestral pieces. > This put me to > wondering: has TD ever used a Fairlight in any > compositions? I couldn't > find any evidence through a simple scan of albums, > but I swear that I > hear one on the Legend soundtrack... I'm not too > knowledgeable about > the technical side of the music at all, so no > bashing please! > > - jim TD didn't use Fairlight as far as I know, but perhaps that's a good thing. Mike Oldfield used it very much and now some very good like Five Miles Out albums sounds too much dated. Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed the music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering before Chris came along? Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32630 Re: Fairlight Miguel Farah F. Sun 3/10/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 6:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Martin, mellotron The M-Tron outputs midi and wave, this is what I gather from reading it. I plan on buying it shortly. The wave sound would depend heavy on the sound card on how well it sounds. I remember Marten telling me he used outboard synths via midi to get the sound. I know from experience that I can tweak everything with the MS2000, record it via midi on just about every knob, then play it back. I also know now that I can link up all three nano synth I have, the MS2000 and several keyboards to obtain much fuller sounds as well as play back in sync. I am using a midi-man 3x8 which has solved the latency I did have. I even can use my Zoom rt-323 in sync with the whole set up. When I read that Larry Fast was using a korg, I did not consider he was most likely using the sampler part to emulate the Melltron. Most likely he is. This puts me back in the market for a sampler. However, if he is using the synth part via the M-tron then I think I can come close, at least for my use. Maybe someday, someone will die and will me a real Melltron. Till then, I think the M-tron with a few synths will work or me. JV1010 look promising as well. I have been experimenting with it in sync with the nano synths, theory only so far. This is one reason why I like Guitar Center, which just opened up in my town. I can play with stuff. Also why I like Future Music mag, I can play some samples off the CD rom. The sound input to the MS2000 allowed me to take the output from my Hammond M, tweak every part of the sound to come back nearly Melltronish minus the click at the end of 7 seconds. Anyway, I can dream. I also used my e-bow to input some really neat sounds into the MS2000. Depends on what sound I select off the nano synth, the complements is rather interesting. I have a Dark Star now too to use the joy stick to alter some parameters real time as well. Now if I had the CD's for the tree, I would be much more busy listening to TD than fiddling with my stuff. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'mars103nl' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Martin, mellotron > --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > wrote: > > A while back we where talking about the software program that > emulates the > > Mellotron. I just read this from another list about Larry Fast > using the > > K2000 to input the Mellotron software in. What do you think? What I > am > > thinking is using a Korg MS2000 to do the same, perhaps with Alesis > Nano > > Synth in link? > > How would you want to do that on a MS2000? > Larry used the sampling option on the K2000, I'm > not sure if the MS2000 has that. I'm almost sure it > doesn't. > > Marcel > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'mars103nl' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 7:44 am Subject: Re: Fairlight synth --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > >Fairlight synth > > I think someone on this list suggested TD didn't like the fairlight's > resolution.... I almost sure TD didn't use a Fairlight. They found that the mellotron had a better quality. Well...imo it has a different quality, a more unique quality. I'm thankful they didn't use the Fairlight because otherwise Logos wouldn't sound the same I think. Users of Fairlights were/are Jarre, Schulze, Gabriel, Tears for Fears. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32578 Re: Fairlight synth goozergrafx Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 8:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fairlight synth In a message dated 3/7/2002 1:51:33 AM Central Standard Time, mengels@w... writes: > I'm thankful they didn't use the Fairlight because > otherwise Logos wouldn't sound the same I think. > Users of Fairlights were/are Jarre, Schulze, Gabriel, > Tears for Fears. > > Marcel *Don't forget Zappa! ;-) TD were more enamored of the PPG during that period. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: David Hughes Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 8:21 am Subject: TD's sample CD's... Hello all, Paul Lawler wrote : > I wouldn`t because they make good use of a lot of the commercially available > sample CDs out there. In fact I think I have nearly all of the sounds that > they use these days .For example, you can own a lot of the sounds from Dream > Mixes 2 by getting a copy of 'Distorted Reality'. > Its nice to load up a sound and think 'christ thats from such and such a > track'. I had the pleasure of playing around with some old PPG kit recently, a Wave 2.2 and 2.3, and spent a jolly hour or so playing that old party favourite, 'Spot the Tangerine Dream Preset'. 'Hey, that one's from 'Rare Bird' on Poland', 'That one's from White Eagle' etc etc etc. Sad, but fun all the same. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: 'federico valdes' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 11:21 am Subject: RV: [eurotraders] Destruction of Brazilian Rainforest Hi folks, The below is somewhat off-topic, but PLEASE sign it and forward to everyone you know ! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32574 Re: RV: [eurotraders] Destruction of Brazilian Ra Brian Stewart Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB From: 'hherberth2000' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 12:18 pm Subject: Tandream: Unidentiifed track Please can anyone help? I am working on a personal video project (Family use only) after visiting the SW USA last September. I was looking for a soundtrack to cover the Monument valley section of our visit and found a perfect Tangerine Dream Track on the now (apparently defunct) Audiogalaxy.com. The MP3 labelling had Tangerine Dream as the Artist and the track was titled 'Monument Valley' from the album 'Sea of Dreams'. The track is definitely TD's but I cannot find any reference to any such album/songtitle in any of the dicographies I've found. I'd like to make proper credit to the band and purchase the album if only I could find it! Yours hopefully! Helmut email: Helmut_Herberth@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32575 Re: Tandream: Unidentiifed track Matthew Sawyer Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB 32576 Re: Tandream: Unidentiifed track Olav Neander Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RV: [eurotraders] Destruction of Brazilian Rainforest Hi Before you clog-up any other mailboxes please check this link. http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrainforest.htm Quick Reference: Description: Email petition Status: Pointless Circulating since: May 2000 Thanks B _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tandream: Unidentiifed track From: 'hherberth2000' > The track is definitely TD's but I cannot find any reference > to any such album/songtitle in any of the dicographies I've found. > > I'd like to make proper credit to the band and purchase the album if > only I could find it! It's an unreleased concert peice. You won't find it on any official albums I'm afraid. Follow the link below and click 'Sea of Dreams' for more info on it. http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.maff.da.ru www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.eclipsecafe.com From: Olav Neander Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tandream: Unidentiifed track Hello! hherberth2000 wrote: >The MP3 labelling had Tangerine Dream as the Artist >and the track was titled 'Monument Valley' from the album 'Sea of >Dreams'. The track is definitely TD's but I cannot find any reference >to any such album/songtitle in any of the dicographies I've found. > >I'd like to make proper credit to the band and purchase the album if >only I could find it! > Well, the CDs called 'Sea of Dreams' are a bootleg compilation, and the track you found is a bootleg from a live concert in Berlin, Werner-Seelenbinder-Halle, 20.02.90... The proper credit could be a problem... All the best, Olav -- Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'phaedra90731' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 3:30 pm Subject: looking to trade Hello, My name is Craig. I'm a rabid Tdream fan for most of my adult life. I'm looking to trade with other fans audio and video. I have tons of stuff from groups like Queen and The Who if interested. Looking in particular The Rhimes Cathedral show '74 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32580 Re: looking to trade Matthew Sawyer Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB 32590 Re: looking to trade Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Fairlight synth TD *did* use the Fairlight-listen to _Wavelength_ for just one example. And yes, it was memtioned in some article once that they didn't like some elements of the Fairlight, so they just sampled some of the sounds they wanted and sent the instrument back. goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'mars103nl' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > > >Fairlight synth > > > > I think someone on this list suggested TD didn't like the > fairlight's > > resolution.... > > I almost sure TD didn't use a Fairlight. > They found that the mellotron had a better quality. > Well...imo it has a different quality, a more unique > quality. > I'm thankful they didn't use the Fairlight because > otherwise Logos wouldn't sound the same I think. > Users of Fairlights were/are Jarre, Schulze, Gabriel, > Tears for Fears. > > Marcel From: Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 3:55 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Fairlight tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: >Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed the >music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering >before Chris came along? Yup. I wish that music was available in some form or another. The DVD of the pilot has the music by Franke (even though the credits list Copeland). While it doesn't fit the rest of the series, I thought Copeland's take was intestesting as well. - jim From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] looking to trade From: 'phaedra90731' > Hello, > > My name is Craig. I'm a rabid Tdream fan for most of my adult life. > I'm looking to trade with other fans audio and video. I have tons of > stuff from groups like Queen and The Who if interested. Looking in > particular The Rhimes Cathedral show '74 Hi Craig Contact me off list. matthewsawyer@y... Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.maff.da.ru www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.eclipsecafe.com From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: PPG OT mostly Those of you who aren't aware of it and who would like to play around with a PPG that's affordable (about $140 U.S.) should try out the PPG vsti plugin from Waldorf. One of my favorite vstis by far. Sounds very close to the original from what I'm told and from what my ears tell me by listening to TD, O'Hearn, etc. C.Franke lists this plug on his equipment list at his site (along with several other software synths). ..he also lists a set of Roland V Drums, I might add... to open up an old can of drumming worms! AKA, he may or may not have gotten rid of his acoustic drums as we discussed, but he still has the drumming bug! The mention of PPG is on topic insofar as T.D. were actually responsible for the original instrument in a way by helping to fund Mr. Palm's first company. The PPG went on to become very widely used on numerous albums in the 80s... so how's that for vicarious TD influence on modern music in general! W P.S. If anyone out there is interested in the orginal 2.2 manual translated by Dominic Milano, I can point you to a website that has it as a pdf download. << I wouldn`t because they make good use of a lot of the commercially available> sample CDs out there. In fact I think I have nearly all of the sounds that > they use these days .For example, you can own a lot of the sounds from Dream> Mixes 2 by getting a copy of 'Distorted Reality'. > Its nice to load up a sound and think 'christ thats from such and such a > track'. I had the pleasure of playing around with some old PPG kit recently, a Wave 2.2 and 2.3, and spent a jolly hour or so playing that old party favourite, 'Spot the Tangerine Dream Preset'. 'Hey, that one's from 'Rare Bird' on Poland', 'That one's from White Eagle' etc etc etc. Sad, but fun all the same. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: Bab 5 music I thought the DVD contained two separate 'movies.' The original pilot, and a back-to-the-beginning movie episode that came much later. I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's music. I'm assuming you're talking about finding the music to that first pilot episode. If you mean the Chris Franke music, you can get much of it directly from him if you like... sonicimages.com << Subject: Re: Re: Fairlight tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: >Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed the >music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering >before Chris came along? Yup. I wish that music was available in some form or another. The DVD of the pilot has the music by Franke (even though the credits list Copeland). While it doesn't fit the rest of the series, I thought Copeland's take was intestesting as well. - jim>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32589 Re: Bab 5 music Wade Gordon Thu 3/7/2002 3 KB 32591 Re: Bab 5 music Jim Moore Thu 3/7/2002 2 KB 32605 Re: Bab 5 music Wade Gordon Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB 32606 Re: Bab 5 music Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 3/8/2002 4 KB 32612 Re: Bab 5 music Jim Moore Sat 3/9/2002 2 KB 32620 Re: Bab 5 music Wade Gordon Sat 3/9/2002 5 KB 32608 Re: Bab 5 music Owens, James Fri 3/8/2002 4 KB 32642 Re: Bab 5 music TheInfection Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB 32613 Re: Bab 5 music Synthhtnys@a... Sat 3/9/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 8:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Bilbao art yes, but this isn't the artwork that Maff supposedly produced for the box. I just threw this artwork together as an exercise to make sure it would fit properly. I expected that Maff might use my templates to overlay his own artwork, which anyone can do with a graphics program that handles PNG files. Plus I just noticed that I had left off one of the box sides, so I just addeed Side C. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > 2 double jewels, or you can build the cardboard boxed set > which Joe Shoults > has put together. There is a large piece of artwork that you > print out and stick to the box. > > http://www.tadream.net/tree/ > > click on ARTWORK at the top > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Bilbao art From: 'Joe Shoults' > yes, but this isn't the artwork that Maff supposedly produced for the box. > I just threw this artwork together as an exercise to make sure it would fit > properly. I expected that Maff might use my templates to overlay his own > artwork, which anyone can do with a graphics program that handles PNG files. I haven't had a chance yet to add the box design to the artwork site yet, but I'll do so shortly for anyone who would like it. It's designed for the box dimensions that Heiko sent me, rather than Joes template. Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.maff.da.ru www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.eclipsecafe.com From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 9:11 pm Subject: 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th Hi, 'Inferno' will be performed in Berlin, June, 15th, on the famous 'Museumsinsel' in Berlin (world culture heritage, part of the ensemble is the well-known 'Pergamon' museum...). It is not clear whether TD will show part 1 again which had been performed in Bernau near Berlin last autumn or whether this will be part 2 of Dante's 'Divine Comedy'. Matthias Manrique hinted me onto an advertisement for the 'Museumsinsel Festival' in the Berlin city-magazine 'Zitty', but they do not mention any details, nor does the official homepage for Berlin events: http://www.berlin.de/home/KuF/Veranstaltungskalender/Query/?language=DE&function =suchen&batch_size=10&batch_start=1&stage=live&modus=SNIPPET&max_records=42&date _start=07.03.2002&date_stop=31.12.2002&stadtteil=------&stichwort=tangerine&such e.x=19&suche.y=6 15.06.2002 Konzerte: Rock Pop Jazz Folk Museumsinselfestival 2002: Tangerine Dream vertont Dantes Göttliche Komödie Ort: Kolonnadenhof vor der Alten Nationalgalerie/ Museumsinsel, Bodestr. 1-3, 10178 Berlin (Mitte) Greetings, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32593 Re: 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th atye@a... Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 32601 Re: 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB 32632 Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) H. Sun 3/10/2002 3 KB 32637 Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) heineu Sun 3/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 9:37 pm Subject: PPG and Babylon 5 Interesting correlation: The heand-weapon of choice on Babylon 5 was the PPG. Chris Franke (who composed the music to B5) probably played a PPG many times in his days with TD. I wonder if he had anything to do with naming the weapon? Perhaps the sound effect used for it was created by a PPG? James From: 'gsbpa' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:31 pm Subject: Death of David Purdum David's photo from the Warner Theatre Concert of June 29, 1986 is the cover of Somnabalistic Imagery. David was a huge fan who purchased many items from some of the members here. David died Feb. 3rd. He had probably not been active participant in the last few years, but his love of the Dream never waned. I have spent the last couple weeks going through boxes of letters and orders as well as organizing the tapes and albums. I still have one more box to go. His concert pictures are in my house and office. He was an accomplished photographer, and a great lawyer. TD and the fans he interacted with meant alot to him. He was not able to thank you guys for the comraderie and friendship he enjoyed since the early 80's. On his behalf I do that now. From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:48 pm Subject: Mark's Music Trade Pages Hi All. I finally got my wanted and unwanted lists up on the net. Please stop by and see if there's anything you want. I have a few boots available. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32597 Mark's Music Trade Pages Mark Filipak Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 32598 Mark's Music Trade Pages Mark Filipak Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 32599 Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages KMJ Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 32600 Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages braddito Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 32602 Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages Mark Filipak Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 32604 Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages KMJ Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music This is only my opinion, but I just love Stewart Copeland's opening theme for the pilot. Wade --- Liondream@a... wrote: > I thought the DVD contained two separate 'movies.' > The original pilot, and a back-to-the-beginning > movie episode that came much later. > > I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's > music. > > I'm assuming you're talking about finding the music > to that first pilot episode. > > If you mean the Chris Franke music, you can get much > of it directly from him if you like... > sonicimages.com > > << Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:55:25 -0500 > From: > Subject: Re: Re: Fairlight > > > tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed > the > >music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering > >before Chris came along? > > Yup. I wish that music was available in some form > or another. The DVD of > the pilot has the music by Franke (even though the > credits list Copeland). > While it doesn't fit the rest of the series, I > thought Copeland's take was > intestesting as well. > > - jim>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 8:21 pm Subject: RE: looking to trade Hi Craig, If you are interested in trading CDRs, please take a look at my listing on my website. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:Jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: phaedra90731 [mailto:phaedra90731@y...] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:30 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] looking to trade > > > Hello, > > My name is Craig. I'm a rabid Tdream fan for most of my adult life. > I'm looking to trade with other fans audio and video. I have tons of > stuff from groups like Queen and The Who if interested. Looking in > particular The Rhimes Cathedral show '74 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 11:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] >I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's music. >I'm assuming you're talking about finding the music to that first pilot episode. Yeah -- I thought Stew's music added a bit more ambiance to the casino and bar scenes, where Franke's music was kind of unremarkable. The rest of the music Franke did for the series was pretty good, though, in my opinion. - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32605 Re: Bab 5 music Wade Gordon Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Hi all, it has been mentioned on this list (looong time ago) that there was a Simpsons episode with a bit of 'Sorcerer' as background music when 'a truck passes a hanging bridge'. Well, I do watch every Simpsons episode when I can. The only one that ever came close (in fact, it just re-ran today on German Pro7 TV) was the one where Homer buys a pickup truck with a snow shovel and tries to get in business as 'Mr. Plow'. In this episode, he does indeed pass a shaky hanging bridge with his plowmobile, trying to rescue Barney, alas, no 'Sorcerer' music, although it would have fit perfectly. Was this all a (all too familiar) case of mixed-up memories, or do any of you indeed know of a Simpsons episode with TD music ? cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32594 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Jim Moore Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB 32596 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Michael A Jean Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB 32603 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Michael A Jean Fri 3/8/2002 4 KB 32595 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB 32664 TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Klaus Beschorner Mon 3/11/2002 3 KB From: atye@a... Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th I was REALLY hoping to see Inferno part 2 in Atlanta.... ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 2:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] >Well, I do watch every Simpsons episode when I can. The only one that ever came close (in fact, it just re-ran today on German Pro7 TV) was the one where Homer buys a pickup truck with a snow shovel and tries to get in business as 'Mr. Plow'. In this episode, he does indeed pass a shaky hanging bridge with his plowmobile, trying to rescue Barney, alas, no 'Sorcerer' music, although it would have fit perfectly.Was this all a (all too familiar) case of mixed-up memories, or do any of you indeed know of a Simpsons episode with TD music ? That's the one I think most people are thinking of, and I don't know of any others with TD music. However, there was an episode where they played the 'Running One' theme from Run Lola Run. - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32596 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Michael A Jean Fri 3/8/2002 3 KB 32603 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Michael A Jean Fri 3/8/2002 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 1:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? From: 'Klaus Beschorner' > it has been mentioned on this list (looong time ago) that there was a > Simpsons episode with a bit of 'Sorcerer' as background music when > 'a truck passes a hanging bridge'. Ahhhh! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's seen that bridge scene and thought 'Sorcerer'. Thanks Klaus. I'm a pretty big Simpsons nut and I'm afraid I've never spotted any direct references to TD. A search on www.snpp.com turned up nothing. The closest they've come is a gentle kicking of German electronic music fans. Go here http://snpp.com/episodes/3F19.html and search the page for 'Kraftwerk' Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.maff.da.ru www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.eclipsecafe.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 3:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? I seem to recall something sounding awfully close to Sorcerer-style music...But I saw that episode years ago... Who knows what tricks one's mind can play... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? > > > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > >Well, I do watch every Simpsons episode when I can. The only one that > ever came close (in fact, it just re-ran today on German Pro7 TV) was > the one where Homer buys a pickup truck with a snow shovel and tries to > get in business as 'Mr. Plow'. In this episode, he does indeed pass a > shaky hanging bridge with his plowmobile, trying to rescue Barney, alas, > no 'Sorcerer' music, although it would have fit > perfectly.Was this all a (all too familiar) case of mixed-up memories, > or do any of you indeed know of a Simpsons episode with TD music ? > > That's the one I think most people are thinking of, and I don't know of > any others with TD music. However, there was an episode where they > played the 'Running One' theme from Run Lola Run. > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32603 Re: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? Michael A Jean Fri 3/8/2002 4 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 4:52 am Subject: Mark's Music Trade Pages Sorry... Hit the 'send' button by mistake. -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 4:51 am Subject: Mark's Music Trade Pages Hi All. I finally got my wanted and unwanted lists up on the net. Please stop by and see if there's anything you want. I have a few boots available. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ From: KMJ Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 4:23 am Subject: Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages > Hi All. I finally got my wanted and unwanted lists up on the net. Please stop by and see if there's anything you want. I have a few boots available. Ciao -- Mark > -- > See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Mark, It's not cool to trade and offer for trade 'official' releases? Kevin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32600 Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages braddito Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 8:48 am Subject: Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages Having looked at the site, IMO I don't think Mark is offering to make illegal copies of official releases - he is offering them for trade as 'rare' items. Looking at the TD bootleg section, it is made clear that for that section, CDR copies can be traded 1 for 1 - he makes no such suggestion for any official CD's as far as I can see. Toby > It's not cool to trade and offer for trade 'official' releases? > > Kevin From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th > Hi, > > 'Inferno' will be performed in Berlin, June, 15th, on the famous 'Museumsinsel' > in Berlin (world culture heritage, part of the ensemble is the well-known > 'Pergamon' museum...). It is not clear whether TD will show part 1 again which > had been performed in Bernau near Berlin last autumn or whether this will be > part 2 of Dante's 'Divine Comedy'. It would surprise me if TD would already perform the 2nd part of their Dante trilogy, but then again in the most recent 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) Edgar mentioned that it was the 2nd part for which they started to write the music first, and that the piece was already finished by the time they played the first part in Bernau. Maybe TDI's manager can shed some light (although he must be quite busy at the moment, posting out all the 'Inferno' packages ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32632 Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) H. Sun 3/10/2002 3 KB 32637 Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) heineu Sun 3/10/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 11:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages KMJ wrote: > > Mark, > > It's not cool to trade and offer for trade 'official' releases? > > Kevin If I read what you wrote literally, of course it's okay to trade 'official' releases. People do it all the time. It's even okay to sell them or auction them. What I think you mean is it's not cool to sell or trade **CDR copies** of 'official' releases, and of course I agree. From my site: 'I will not provide CDRs of commercially available albums and will not accept them either.' I've done a little tweeking, but that has been up from the start. I hope that's clear. -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 12:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? http://www.snpp.com/episodes/9F07.html NOte this comment: Nobody wins the rickety bridge reference award unless the movie they propose also has the same music as the one used in the scene. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:13 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? > > > I seem to recall something sounding awfully close to Sorcerer-style > music...But I saw that episode years ago... Who knows what tricks > one's mind > can play... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:37 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in 'The Simpsons' ? > > > > > > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > > >Well, I do watch every Simpsons episode when I can. The only one that > > ever came close (in fact, it just re-ran today on German Pro7 TV) was > > the one where Homer buys a pickup truck with a snow shovel and tries to > > get in business as 'Mr. Plow'. In this episode, he does indeed pass a > > shaky hanging bridge with his plowmobile, trying to rescue Barney, alas, > > no 'Sorcerer' music, although it would have fit > > perfectly.Was this all a (all too familiar) case of mixed-up memories, > > or do any of you indeed know of a Simpsons episode with TD music ? > > > > That's the one I think most people are thinking of, and I don't know of > > any others with TD music. However, there was an episode where they > > played the 'Running One' theme from Run Lola Run. > > > > - jim > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: KMJ Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 12:42 pm Subject: Re: Mark's Music Trade Pages > From my site: 'I will not provide CDRs of commercially available albums and will not accept them either.' I've done a little tweeking, but that has been up from the start. > > I hope that's clear. -- Mark Many thanks for setting the record straight Mark!! Take care, Kevin From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 5:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music Well, Stewart's music had a harder edge and I felt that it was more appropriate for the pilot episode. As you well know when it B-5 was picked up by TNT and the pilot rerun it had a different soundtrack. The soundtrack was by Chris Franke. I think on the DVD there should be the option to hear both and choose for yourself. Wade --- Jim Moore wrote: > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > >I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's > music. > >I'm assuming you're talking about finding the music > to that first pilot > episode. > > Yeah -- I thought Stew's music added a bit more > ambiance to the casino > and bar scenes, where Franke's music was kind of > unremarkable. The rest > of the music Franke did for the series was pretty > good, though, in my > opinion. > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music I just watched my DVD over last weekend. I did not see that option or credits to him only CF. The sound track I would tell you was CF. I will have to go back and play it again to see for sure. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music > Well, Stewart's music had a harder edge and I felt > that it was more appropriate for the pilot episode. > As you well know when it B-5 was picked up by TNT and > the pilot rerun it had a different soundtrack. The > soundtrack was by Chris Franke. I think on the DVD > there should be the option to hear both and choose for > yourself. > > Wade > --- Jim Moore wrote: > > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > >I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's > > music. > > >I'm assuming you're talking about finding the music > > to that first pilot > > episode. > > > > Yeah -- I thought Stew's music added a bit more > > ambiance to the casino > > and bar scenes, where Franke's music was kind of > > unremarkable. The rest > > of the music Franke did for the series was pretty > > good, though, in my > > opinion. > > > > - jim > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32612 Re: Bab 5 music Jim Moore Sat 3/9/2002 2 KB 32620 Re: Bab 5 music Wade Gordon Sat 3/9/2002 5 KB From: Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 Hi all, TD will play again the first part: Inferno again in Berlin on the 15th of June 2002. Probably. I hope that we see more information very soon on the TDI Music site. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) If you interested in ASHRA Cd`s please let me know, I can send you an list. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32617 Re: Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 fozziebear Sat 3/9/2002 3 KB 32618 Re: Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 heineu Sat 3/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 7:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music Actually they would probably have to have two complete versions of the pilot on the DVD, because the original with the Copeland soundtrack has fewer scenes. There may not be enough Copeland music to cover all the additional scenes from the 'special edition' (the TNT version with the Franke soundtrack). I'm not sure all the differences off the top of my head, but the Londo voiceover has been changed (he hadn't perfected his accent yet for the pilot) and there is extra dialogue in the scene where Sinclair meets Kosh (Kosh recognizes Sinclair and calls him 'Intilza', which explains why he was comfortable enough to actually expose himself to Sinclair). James > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:12 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music > > > Well, Stewart's music had a harder edge and I felt > that it was more appropriate for the pilot episode. > As you well know when it B-5 was picked up by TNT and > the pilot rerun it had a different soundtrack. The > soundtrack was by Chris Franke. I think on the DVD > there should be the option to hear both and choose for > yourself. > > Wade > --- Jim Moore wrote: > > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > >I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's > > music. > > >I'm assuming you're talking about finding the music > > to that first pilot > > episode. > > > > Yeah -- I thought Stew's music added a bit more > > ambiance to the casino > > and bar scenes, where Franke's music was kind of > > unremarkable. The rest > > of the music Franke did for the series was pretty > > good, though, in my > > opinion. > > > > - jim > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32642 Re: Bab 5 music TheInfection Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 9:20 pm Subject: The Tangerine Dream tree. Hello Heiko I am sorry that i am finding difficulty downloading emails at my Yahoo address at the moment,please could you email me at my private email at Julannparc@a... with address,and i will send on the appropiate funds Very best regards Colin. P/S Tangerine Dream- The GREATEST of all time. From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 9:06 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Hello everyone Wonderful news that TD are doing another performance of INFERNO in june,i was just wondering if any UK residents were thinking of travelling to the concert,my wife would like to go as well,so if anybody is thinking of going,please let me know. Best regards Colin South Wales. P/S Tangerine Dream The GODS of Quality. From: 'sloyt' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 2:26 am Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on TV! Evidentally the entire world saw this and thank goodness, I'm no exception! Yes, I too saw this on television. As a stay at home mom of 3, making ends meet is always a challenge! A couple of weeks ago I saw a television commercial for a company whose website address is http://hk852.to/coupon My friend who was with me at the time said that she was using this program for several years and had saved a lot of money with it. I asked her how she decided to join this years ago and she told me that she did plenty of research on the company before joining and that she found no problems with them so she 'gave it a shot'. Well I figured why not, I too joined and boy was I glad I did. The first time I went shopping as a member of this program I purchased $219.89 worth of groceries and only had to pay $10.83. I literally had a coupon for every item that I purchased. Even better is that I was able to get coupons for the brands and products that I always purchase. I didn't have to rely on newspaper coupons. If only I knew about this program years ago. Tracey Wills Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32615 Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on C. Chambers Sat 3/9/2002 3 KB 32622 Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on Mark Filipak Sat 3/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 4:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] >I just watched my DVD over last weekend. I did not see that option or credits to him only CF. The sound track I would tell you was CF. I will have to go back and play it again to see for sure. It is indeed Franke; but the box label lists Copeland. - jim From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 4:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music In a message dated 3/8/02 8:29:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, moxica@m... writes: << It is indeed Franke; but the box label lists Copeland. - jim >> *Errrr This may be complete BS (and I don't mean Berlin School) but someone just told my that Chris farmed out the soundtrack work for B5... that he didn't really do it himself... and that one of the people who submitted music was Haslinger.... anyone else heard this? Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32614 Re: Bab 5 music Jim Moore Sat 3/9/2002 2 KB 32619 Re: Bab 5 music Michael A Jean Sat 3/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 5:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] >*Errrr This may be complete BS (and I don't mean Berlin School) but someone just told my that Chris farmed out the soundtrack work for B5... that he didn't really do it himself... and that one of the people who submitted music was Haslinger.... anyone else heard this? Not to perpetuate any rumors, but have you heard Planetary Traveler? Seriously, though -- Franke has been credited a couple of times on some of Haslinger's albums, so I'm sure there's been some mutual cooperation on each others' works. - jim From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 6:38 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on TV! ...and how exactly did this get posted to tadream? Joe, smells like a spammer has snuck in. I would suggest you delete their membership. I had heard of this happening. Apparently some folks have programs that mine the yahoo groups and automatically subscribe then start sending out this crap. I doubt you will ever stop it at this point, but it should be avoided. Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: sloyt [mailto:trawills@h...] > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:27 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on TV! > > > Evidentally the entire world saw this and thank goodness, I'm no > exception! Yes, I too saw this on television. As a stay at home mom > of 3, making ends > Tracey Wills who? From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 8:25 am Subject: Bab5 pilot redone I didn't know that about the soundtrack for the pilot being redone by C.F. - at least I didn't remember. That would be cool to have an option on the dvd to hear either one or the other, but I'm glad they went with the original. Wes In a message dated 3/8/2002 12:15:11 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:12:05 -0800 (PST) > From: Wade Gordon > Subject: RE: Bab 5 music > > Well, Stewart's music had a harder edge and I felt > that it was more appropriate for the pilot episode. > As you well know when it B-5 was picked up by TNT and > the pilot rerun it had a different soundtrack. The > soundtrack was by Chris Franke. I think on the DVD > there should be the option to hear both and choose for > yourself. > > Wade [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 8:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 Hi Heiko Sounds great. Where does the information come from? David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: [tadream] Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 > Hi all, > > TD will play again the first part: Inferno again in Berlin on the 15th of June 2002. Probably. I hope that we see more information very soon on the TDI Music site. > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) > > If you interested in ASHRA Cd`s please let me know, I can send you an list. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32618 Re: Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 heineu Sat 3/9/2002 3 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 10:15 am Subject: Re: Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 Hi David, information directly from the TDI Music Office, Berlin. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > Hi Heiko > > Sounds great. Where does the information come from? > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 6:02 PM > Subject: [tadream] Inferno Berlin 15.06.02 > > > > Hi all, > > > > TD will play again the first part: Inferno again in Berlin on the 15th of > June 2002. Probably. I hope that we see more information very soon on the > TDI Music site. > > > > Regards > > heiko > > www.opticaldream.de > > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) > > > > If you interested in ASHRA Cd`s please let me know, I can send you an > list. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 2:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music No, I hadn't heard that... The only post -TD collaboration between them that I knew of was Planetary Traveler... Franke DID start farming out the music on WALKER TEXAS RANGER... > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:33 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music > > > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:29:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > moxica@m... writes: > > << It is indeed Franke; but the box label lists Copeland. > > - jim >> > > *Errrr This may be complete BS (and I don't mean Berlin School) > but someone > just told my that Chris farmed out the soundtrack work for B5... that he > didn't really do it himself... and that one of the people who > submitted music > was Haslinger.... anyone > else heard this? > Poly > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music I think you misunderstood me. I thought the dvd would bennefit from sales if they included an option and not just Chris Franks soundtrack. Alas, it is only a dream. Wade --- 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > I just watched my DVD over last weekend. I did not > see that option or > credits to him only CF. > The sound track I would tell you was CF. I will have > to go back and play it > again to see for sure. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet > needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:12 AM > Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music > > > > Well, Stewart's music had a harder edge and I felt > > that it was more appropriate for the pilot > episode. > > As you well know when it B-5 was picked up by TNT > and > > the pilot rerun it had a different soundtrack. > The > > soundtrack was by Chris Franke. I think on the > DVD > > there should be the option to hear both and choose > for > > yourself. > > > > Wade > > --- Jim Moore wrote: > > > From: Liondream@a... > [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > > >I don't remember much liking Stewart Copeland's > > > music. > > > >I'm assuming you're talking about finding the > music > > > to that first pilot > > > episode. > > > > > > Yeah -- I thought Stew's music added a bit more > > > ambiance to the casino > > > and bar scenes, where Franke's music was kind of > > > unremarkable. The rest > > > of the music Franke did for the series was > pretty > > > good, though, in my > > > opinion. > > > > > > - jim > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 2:43 pm Subject: Rubycon S.A.C.D. release I finally received a copy of the S.A.C.D. release of 'Rubycon.' It cost me $22.99 plus shipping and handling. I have to tell you that it is about 5-7% higher fidelity than the S.B.M. You have to have really good hearing to notice the difference. I just love it though because there are subtleties not available on the S.B.M. The S.A.C.D. does cost more, but if you are an audiophile with discriminating taste buy it. It now the S.M.B. is far superior to the original release and also a lot cheaper. All the best, Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32623 Re: Rubycon S.A.C.D. release Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 3/9/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on TV! sloyt wrote: > > The first time I went shopping as a member of this program I > purchased $219.89 worth of groceries and only had to pay $10.83. Wow! $219.89 worth of SPAM for only $10.83. Where can I get some? Ciao -- Mark (...I'm hungry) From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rubycon S.A.C.D. release Hi guys, Does anybody know whether the rest of the albums, you can find the cover thumbnails on the Rubycon SACD inlay, are going to be released as SACD? cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:Jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > I finally received a copy of the S.A.C.D. release of > 'Rubycon.' It cost me $22.99 plus shipping and > handling. I have to tell you that it is about 5-7% > higher fidelity than the S.B.M. You have to have > really good hearing to notice the difference. I just > love it though because there are subtleties not > available on the S.B.M. > > The S.A.C.D. does cost more, but if you are an > audiophile with discriminating taste buy it. It now > the S.M.B. is far superior to the original release and > also a lot cheaper. > > All the best, > > Wade From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music This I can believe too. However, why not give credit where credit is due. I just don't harbor the ill feelings, I just like the music. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:29:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > moxica@m... writes: > > << It is indeed Franke; but the box label lists Copeland. > > - jim >> > > *Errrr This may be complete BS (and I don't mean Berlin School) but someone > just told my that Chris farmed out the soundtrack work for B5... that he > didn't really do it himself... and that one of the people who submitted music > was Haslinger.... anyone > else heard this? > Poly > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: [tadream] Legend DVD Hi all, Could have knocked me over with a feather, I've just seen an advert on French TV for the Legend DVD... Knowing my luck it's got the Jerry Goldsmith score only, but I'll keep you all posted (France is region 2 by the way) Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32631 Re: Legend DVD tangram12 Sun 3/10/2002 2 KB From: 'Grant M Somerville' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 10:45 pm Subject: The Tree Hi All, A huge thanks to all who put time and effort into this. I am officially a very happy bunny. :-))))))))))) Cheers, Grant. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 11:01 pm Subject: Request! Hi all Anyone that can help me with the coverart to the following cd's?? Sol et terre 2 (1 cd) Viritual files 73-02 (1 cd) Erlangen 1997-04-13 (3cd) Please contact me off list Thanks in advance Totta From: Totta Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 11:42 pm Subject: Trade! > > > Hi all again > Just wanted you to know that i got a cd with Dublin national stadium 1980, and Erlangen stadthalle 1997, in mp3 format. Anyone interested in a trade or something Let me know Totta Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32646 Re: Trade! Joe Shoults Mon 3/11/2002 3 KB From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 9:54 pm Subject: RE: Bab5, Copeland & Haslinger To help clear up some things here: 1) The only way to hear the original score that Copeland did for Bab 5 is if you taped it when it premiered or if you have the Japanese LD issued *waaaaaay* back in '94. 2) Yes, Haslinger *did* help out Franke on Bab 5 from time to time, even getting some of his own tunes from _World Without Rules_ on a couple of eps. I'm not going to go through my tapes of the show right now to find the specific eps, but they were 3rd season, IIRC. goozer From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 3:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fairlight TheInfection [07/03/2002 04:42] dijo/said: >[...] >Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed the >music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering >before Chris came along? Yep. -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?' - MONTY PYTHON and THE HOLY GRAIL M0nti Pyth0n ik den H0lie Gralen From: 'tangram12' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 12:56 am Subject: Re: Legend DVD have a look at this link about legend http://www.play.com/Play247.asp?page=title&r=R1&title=88464 this is region 1 Duncan --- In tadream@y..., Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > Could have knocked me over with a feather, I've just seen an advert on > French TV for the Legend DVD... > > Knowing my luck it's got the Jerry Goldsmith score only, but I'll keep you > all posted (France is region 2 by the way) > > Paul From: 'H.' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 11:25 am Subject: Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) Hi, has someone got a recording of that interview ('Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001)) and is willing to share it? Please contact me off list. Thanks Herbert -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Marz 2002 10:07 An: tadream@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [tadream] 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th > Hi, > > 'Inferno' will be performed in Berlin, June, 15th, on the famous 'Museumsinsel' > in Berlin (world culture heritage, part of the ensemble is the well-known > 'Pergamon' museum...). It is not clear whether TD will show part 1 again which > had been performed in Bernau near Berlin last autumn or whether this will be > part 2 of Dante's 'Divine Comedy'. It would surprise me if TD would already perform the 2nd part of their Dante trilogy, but then again in the most recent 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) Edgar mentioned that it was the 2nd part for which they started to write the music first, and that the piece was already finished by the time they played the first part in Bernau. Maybe TDI's manager can shed some light (although he must be quite busy at the moment, posting out all the 'Inferno' packages ;-) Heiko ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32637 Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) heineu Sun 3/10/2002 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 11:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1261 > > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 21:54:40 -0000 > From: 'goozergrafx' > Subject: RE: Bab5, Copeland & Haslinger > > To help clear up some things here: > > 1) The only way to hear the original score that Copeland did for Bab 5 > is if you taped it when it premiered or if you have the Japanese LD > issued *waaaaaay* back in '94. Errrrrr...or just buy the Warner Home Video (UK) VHS release, 'Beyond Vision Serial Sci-Fi' no. S012656, 'Babylon 5 - feature Length Pilot Episode', released 1995 :-) Now for a question...is series Co-Producer John Copeland related to Stewart Copeland? From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /tangs-78.jpg Uploaded by : aolincnderson Description : Front Page 1978 tour Programme You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/tangs-78.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, aolincnderson Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32640 Legend DVD Paul Fellows Sun 3/10/2002 2 KB From: 'aolincnderson' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:39 pm Subject: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt Any one got any idea what one of these might be worth? I've got one that i've never worn, Red with two colour printing can post a picture if anyone's interested. Cheers Colin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32636 Re: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt Jim Moore Sun 3/10/2002 4 KB 32638 Re: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt aolincnderson Sun 3/10/2002 4 KB 32639 Re: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt aolincnderson Sun 3/10/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt From: aolincnderson [mailto:canny.bevvy@b...] >Any one got any idea what one of these might be worth? I've got one >that i've never worn, Red with two colour printing can post a >picture if anyone's interested. Adam Sandler Red Hooded Sweatshirt My mom bought you when I was just 13, the brightest red sweatshirt I ever seen. She got an extra large so I wouldn't grow out, 'That's too big for you!' the other kids would shout. But we stuck together, we didn't quit, and now the children say, 'What a perfect fit.' I love you sweeeeatshirt red hooded sweeeeatshirt dip dip dip sweeeeatshirt shama lama ding dong sweeeeatshirt. I like to rest my hands in your kangaroo pouch, it makes them feel comfy like a big soft couch. And I don't care if the weather's no good, I say 'See you later rain' as I pull up my hood. Remember that long bus trip when I needed a nap?, I used you as a pillow on that Spanish lady's lap. I love you sweeeeatshirt red hooded sweeeeatshirt dip dip dip sweeeeatshirt shama lama ding dong sweeeeatshirt. Oh what is it about you that makes me so jolly?, Is it your fifty cotton or your fifty poly? I don't knoooooooww ohh ohh hoo hoo hoo. Oh red hooded sweatshirt we been through a lot together like that time I played in that shirts and skins basketball game and I had to take you off and throw you in the corner of the gym. I was midway through the game and then I saw you looking at me. You were staring as if to say 'Adam, you suck at basketball, you dribble like a damn woman.' I was so mad I challenged you to a game of one on one and you know sweatshirt, even though I beat you 11 to 9, deep in my soul I know you missed those lay-ups on purpose. You let me win and that why I'll forever feel this way. I love you sweeeeatshirt red hooded sweeeeatshirt dip dip dip sweeeeatshirt shama lama ding dong sweeeeatshirt. Come on audience members, help me out here. I love you sweeeeatshirt red hooded sweeeeatshirt dip dip dip sweeeeatshirt shama lama ling dong sweeeeatshirt. I love you sooooooooooo. - Adam Sandler's 'Red Hooded Sweatshirt' from his What's Your Name album... (Sorry-- I couldn't resist...) - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32638 Re: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt aolincnderson Sun 3/10/2002 4 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: Re: 'Elektro Beats' interview (10.10.2001) Hi Herbert, I have this show on CDR. Please contact me off_list. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de --- In tadream@y..., 'H.' wrote: > Hi, > has someone got a recording of that interview ('Elektro Beats' interview > (10.10.2001)) and is willing to share it? > Please contact me off list. > > Thanks > Herbert > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Marz 2002 10:07 > An: tadream@y... > Betreff: Re: [tadream] 'INFERNO' live in Berlin June, 15th > > > > > > Hi, > > > > 'Inferno' will be performed in Berlin, June, 15th, on the famous > 'Museumsinsel' > > in Berlin (world culture heritage, part of the ensemble is the well-known > > 'Pergamon' museum...). It is not clear whether TD will show part 1 again > which > > had been performed in Bernau near Berlin last autumn or whether this will > be > > part 2 of Dante's 'Divine Comedy'. > > It would surprise me if TD would already perform the 2nd part of their Dante > trilogy, but then again in the most recent 'Elektro Beats' interview > (10.10.2001) > Edgar mentioned that it was the 2nd part for which they started to write the > music > first, and that the piece was already finished by the time they played the > first > part in Bernau. > Maybe TDI's manager can shed some light (although he must be quite busy at > the > moment, posting out all the 'Inferno' packages ;-) > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'aolincnderson' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Re: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt --- In tadream@y..., 'Jim Moore' wrote: > From: aolincnderson [mailto:canny.bevvy@b...] > >Any one got any idea what one of these might be worth? I've got one > >that i've never worn, Red with two colour printing can post a > >picture if anyone's interested. > > Adam Sandler > Red Hooded Sweatshirt > > My mom bought you when I was just 13, > the brightest red sweatshirt I ever seen. > She got an extra large so I wouldn't grow out, > 'That's too big for you!' the other kids would shout. > But we stuck together, we didn't quit, > and now the children say, 'What a perfect fit.' > > I love you sweeeeatshirt > red hooded > sweeeeatshirt > dip dip dip > sweeeeatshirt > shama lama ding dong > sweeeeatshirt. > > I like to rest my hands in your kangaroo pouch, > it makes them feel comfy like a big soft couch. > And I don't care if the weather's no good, > I say 'See you later rain' as I pull up my hood. > Remember that long bus trip when I needed a nap?, > I used you as a pillow on that Spanish lady's lap. > I love you sweeeeatshirt red hooded > sweeeeatshirt > dip dip dip sweeeeatshirt > shama lama ding dong > sweeeeatshirt. > > Oh what is it about you that makes me so jolly?, > Is it your fifty cotton or your fifty poly? > > I don't knoooooooww > ohh ohh hoo hoo hoo. > > Oh red hooded sweatshirt we been through a lot > together like that time I played in that shirts > and skins basketball game and I had to take > you off and throw you in the corner of the gym. > I was midway through the game and then I saw > you looking at me. You were staring as if to > say 'Adam, you suck at basketball, you dribble > like a damn woman.' I was so mad I challenged > you to a game of one on one and you know > sweatshirt, even though I beat you 11 to 9, > deep in my soul I know you missed those lay-ups > on purpose. You let me win and that why I'll > forever feel this way. > > I love you sweeeeatshirt > red hooded > sweeeeatshirt > dip dip dip > sweeeeatshirt > shama lama ding dong > sweeeeatshirt. > > Come on audience members, help me out here. > > I love you sweeeeatshirt > red hooded > sweeeeatshirt > dip dip dip > sweeeeatshirt > shama lama ling dong > sweeeeatshirt. > > I love you sooooooooooo. > > - Adam Sandler's 'Red Hooded Sweatshirt' from his What's Your > Name album... > > (Sorry-- I couldn't resist...) > > - jim Mine's XXl and, sadly, I never got that fat. Cheers Colin From: 'aolincnderson' Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: Re: 1980 UK Tour Hooded Sweatshirt --- In tadream@y..., 'aolincnderson' wrote: > Any one got any idea what one of these might be worth? I've got one > that i've never worn, Red with two colour printing can post a > picture if anyone's interested. > Cheers > Colin I've taken some pics and put them on a web page at http://www.cannybevvy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sweatshirt/ Cheers Colin From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:41 pm Subject: [tadream] Legend DVD Hi all, Found the official press release, very interesting: http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/pressreleaseofficial.html Cheers Paul From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:36 am Subject: Hollywood After watching Time Machine this weekend, I am convinced either TD or another band similar needs to invade Hollywood and teach them how to score a sound track. Dale Not to mention script writing either. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32670 Re: Hollywood Michael A Jean Tue 3/12/2002 3 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Bab 5 music --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > (Kosh recognizes Sinclair and calls him 'Intilza', > which explains why he was > comfortable enough to actually expose himself to > Sinclair). > > James It's Entilzha. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 7:13 am Subject: Thank you all for the Tree I finally managed to complete all the cover art and now received all the Tree discs, so I would like to thank: - Jarek Szulc, for running off all the copies for me; - Matthew Sawyer, for his help in putting the sleeves temporarily on the TD lists so I could download them - I just couldn't download complete sleeves through the pages set up (and some of the sleeve designs) - Heiko Heersen, for making the music available - Gustavo Jobim, for the other sleeve designs - Joe Shoults, for moderating the list that has enabled this to happen - and, of course, Tangerine Dream for making the music in the first place! ONLY ONE TEENST-WHEENSY FAULT - after all our gripes about typographical problems, I've found one. Volume 6 front: Band members - Peter Baumann is listed with only one 'n' ... Otherwise, a very professional effort all round! Look forward to the next batch. One suggestion: Would it be possible to make space on the 'lists' section of the Tdream list to put the covers? My computer had no problem downloading there. And did anyone else have problems? Roger Hartopp (A very happy chappie) -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32645 Re: Thank you all for the Tree Matthew Sawyer Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB 32647 Re: Thank you all for the Tree Joe Shoults Mon 3/11/2002 3 KB 32657 Re: Thank you all for the Tree Thenite0wl@a... Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB 32667 Re: Thank you all for the Tree Joe Shoults Mon 3/11/2002 3 KB From: Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 8:35 am Subject: March offer ASHRA CD`s !!! Hi all, March offers in my online CD Shop. Please visit my Shop: www.tribute-to-ashra.de and order ASHRA Cd`s to reduced prices. Offer is available to 30-March 2002. Regards heiko www.tribute-to-ashra.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you all for the Tree From: 'Roger Hartopp' > ONLY ONE TEENST-WHEENSY FAULT - after all our gripes about > typographical problems, I've found one. Volume 6 front: Band members > - Peter Baumann is listed with only one 'n' ... Actually, that was deliberate. It wouldn't be a Tangerine Dream cover without at least one spelling mistake. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Maff From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Trade! offlist, please! > -----Original Message----- > From: Totta [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...] > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Trade! > > > > > > > > Hi all again > > > Just wanted you to know that i got a cd with Dublin national stadium > 1980, and Erlangen stadthalle 1997, in mp3 format. > Anyone interested in a trade or something > Let me know > > > > Totta > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Thank you all for the Tree LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:30 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you all for the Tree > > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' > > > ONLY ONE TEENST-WHEENSY FAULT - after all our gripes about > > typographical problems, I've found one. Volume 6 front: Band members > > - Peter Baumann is listed with only one 'n' ... > > > Actually, that was deliberate. It wouldn't be a Tangerine Dream cover > without at least one spelling mistake. > > Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. > > > Maff > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies Found on TV ! I have no idea how it happened, but the group setting was switched from ' Unmoderated, Moderate new members (posts from new members require approval) ' to 'Unmoderated (messages go directly to all members of this group) '. Maybe it got switched when yahoo did some maintenance last week. I've switched it back, and this prevents 99% of spam. Sorry bout dat, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:38 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Absolutely Amazing > Savings/Freebies Found on > TV! > > > ...and how exactly did this get posted to tadream? Joe, smells like a > spammer has snuck in. I would suggest you delete their > membership. I had > heard of this happening. Apparently some folks have programs > that mine the > yahoo groups and automatically subscribe then start sending > out this crap. > I doubt you will ever stop it at this point, but it should be avoided. > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sloyt [mailto:trawills@h...] > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:27 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Absolutely Amazing Savings/Freebies > Found on TV! > > > > > > Evidentally the entire world saw this and thank goodness, I'm no > > exception! Yes, I too saw this on television. As a stay at home mom > > of 3, making ends > > > > > Tracey Wills > > who? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:48 pm Subject: Farming out B5 I would think that it wasn't farmed out, but if it was Paul, then at least he kept it in the family! My understanding was that there is a lot of soundtrack work that is being done along the lines of the medieval masters/students. E.g. Hans Zimmer, I believe has several people working for him in his multi-studio complex. Just as Paul Haslinger works for (I forget his name now), the guy who did the music for the Crow, Tomb Raider, etc. Yep, I believe Paul worked on Tomb Raider. On Planetary Traveller, I think C.F. is credited with help with percussion and choirs? Maybe he loaned Paul use of his orchestra (or samples thereof). I used to know someone who would have been able to answer this definitevly, but unfortunately, he passed away last year. Nothing new really... how many albums did Larry Fast appear on in the 80s? Or how many tours did he go on where he was 'secretly' playing keyboards behind the stage? BTW too... I think there is a Sonic Images sampling cd out there too. Roland format. << Subject: RE: Bab 5 music No, I hadn't heard that... The only post -TD collaboration between them that I knew of was Planetary Traveler... Franke DID start farming out the music on WALKER TEXAS RANGER... > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:33 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Bab 5 music > > > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:29:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > moxica@m... writes: > > << It is indeed Franke; but the box label lists Copeland. > > - jim >> > > *Errrr This may be complete BS (and I don't mean Berlin School) > but someone > just told my that Chris farmed out the soundtrack work for B5... that he > didn't really do it himself... and that one of the people who > submitted music > was Haslinger.... anyone > else heard this? > Poly >>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32671 Re: Farming out B5 quarlie@a... Tue 3/12/2002 2 KB 32714 Re: Farming out B5 meta_mythos Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:49 pm Subject: SACD Wade, Alright, maybe a stupid question, but... do you play this SACD on your regular cd player? DVD player? Wes << Subject: Rubycon S.A.C.D. release I finally received a copy of the S.A.C.D. release of 'Rubycon.' It cost me $22.99 plus shipping and handling. I have to tell you that it is about 5-7% higher fidelity than the S.B.M. You have to have really good hearing to notice the difference. I just love it though because there are subtleties not available on the S.B.M. The S.A.C.D. does cost more, but if you are an audiophile with discriminating taste buy it. It now the S.M.B. is far superior to the original release and also a lot cheaper. All the best, Wade>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:52 pm Subject: Stewart Copeland Same guy who had some run-ins with the Police in the 80s, right? Am I right? I understand he also did some music for Wide Sargasso Sea, but that soundtrack too appears to be unavailable. << Subject: Re: Fairlight TheInfection [07/03/2002 04:42] dijo/said: >[...] >Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed the >music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering >before Chris came along? Yep.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32661 Re: Stewart Copeland Owens, James Mon 3/11/2002 3 KB 32669 Re: OT: Stewart Copeland Jim Moore Tue 3/12/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 4:43 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland Copeland also does a lot of TV and movie soundtracks these days and is in a line up called Oysterhead with Trey Anastasio of Phish fame and Les Claypool of Primus fame. I have one excellent Copeland album called 'The Equaliser and Other Cliffhangers' which includes his theme from the TV show The Equalizer. Joe np: Magellan - Just One Bridge > -----Original Message----- > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:53 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Stewart Copeland > > > Same guy who had some run-ins with the Police in the 80s, > right? Am I right? > > I understand he also did some music for Wide Sargasso Sea, > but that soundtrack too appears to be unavailable. > > > << Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:24:30 -0400 > From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > Subject: Re: Fairlight > > TheInfection [07/03/2002 04:42] dijo/said: > >[...] > >Isn't Stewart Copeland the same guy who composed the > >music in the Babylon 5 pilot movie The Gathering > >before Chris came along? > > Yep.>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32654 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland LAFOOTE@a... Mon 3/11/2002 5 KB 32659 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland Simon Pride Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB 32668 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland Jim Moore Tue 3/12/2002 2 KB 32660 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB 32665 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland LAFOOTE@a... Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 5:34 pm Subject: Questions >Liondream asked: > >Alright, maybe a stupid question, but... do you play this SACD on your regular >cd player? DVD player? You play it on a SACD player! A Super Audio CD (SACD) is of no benefit on a regular CD player or a regular DVD player. It IS playable, but you don't get the increased sound quality. There are standalone CD/SACD and standalone DVD/SACD players. Both are not cheap. -Morgan =========== >Roger had trouble downloading the Tangerine Tree covers: >Would it be possible to make space on the 'lists' >section of the Tdream list to put the covers? My computer had no problem >downloading there. And did anyone else have problems? Did you try downloading them from both Matt's site and my website? http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/ or http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ -Morgan From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 5:34 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland If I'm not mistaken Stewart Copeland was actually one of the ORIGINAL members of the Canadian band 'The Police' from which the English school teacher, Sting also came from. Stewart was dabbling in the 'Hollywood' music industry while still with the Police, I think. Please corrct me if I'm wrong on this bit of 'Music Trivia'. After rising to international stardom with the Police, Stewart Copeland largely rejected his pop music past to pursue a career as a composer, authoring a prolific series of film scores, operas, and ballets. Born July 16, 1952 in Alexandria, Egypt, Copeland — the son of a CIA agent — spent his formative years in the Middle East but attended college in California before settling in England in 1975 and playing drums with the progressive rock unit Curved Air. Following the group's dissolution, he founded the Police with singer/bassist Sting and guitarist Henri Padovani (the latter soon replaced by Andy Summers). Beginning with their first hit, 1979's 'Roxanne,' the trio emerged as one of the most popular and innovative bands of the post-punk era, drawing upon reggae, funk, and world music to create a uniquely infectious yet cerebral brand of pop which generated a series of smash singles including 'Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic,' 'Every Breath You Take,' and 'King of Pain.' While with the Police, Copeland — who in 1980 issued a solo record, Music Madness from the Kinetic Kid, under the alias Klark Kent — not only earned wide critical acclaim for his intricate, textured drumwork, but he contributed many of the group's songs as well. At the peak of their commercial success, the Police disbanded after touring in support of the 1983 blockbuster Synchronicity; by that time Copeland was already established as a film composer, however, earning a Golden Globe nomination for his score to Francis Ford Coppola's Rumble Fish. In 1985 he released The Rhythmatist, the product of his musical pilgrimage to Africa, followed by an ever-increasing number of film scores including a pair of Oliver Stone features, Wall Street and Talk Radio, in addition to acclaimed projects like Ken Loach's Raining Stones, Four Days in September and West Beirut as well as many more mainstream Hollywood productions. Copeland's other work includes a stint with the pop-fusion trio Animal Logic as well as authoring the San Francisco Ballet's King Lear, the Cleveland Opera's Holy Blood and Crescent Moon, and Ballet Oklahoma's Prey Electric Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32659 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland Simon Pride Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB 32668 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland Jim Moore Tue 3/12/2002 2 KB From: 'horrod6' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 4:53 pm Subject: DWT2 Got my copy today: congratulations and thanks to all involved in this project. I'm not going to do a track-by-track review yet - I want to listen to it a few times first - but even on first listening it's v. impressive. LnH Marion From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 5:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD and multi-region vs. all-region DVD players The last word I had on the Region 2 DVD is that it would not have the TD score in any fashion. The Region 4 DVD looks to be largely the same as the Region 1. HOWEVER, you might be able to watch the Region 1 or 4 disc if your player is a multi-region player (which is not the same as an all-region player). All region players simply don't check for region encoding. Unfortunately DVD manufacturers came up with a new kind of encoding (called RCE) that stops play if the player doesn't check the region. This is to fight against people just bypassing the circuit that checks for region coding. Newer multi-region players will play any region discs because you have a menu to set which region disc you'd like to view. These players cost more because you're paying a 'tax' on being able to watch all regions. HOWEVER, most of these multi-region players are identical to players sold as single-region players. The only difference is that the firmware (built-in software that runs the player) is encoded to a specific region. My DVD player, for instance, is sold as a multi-region and as region 1, 2, etc. The only difference is that the 'factory settings' menu (where they set the region) is hidden on the single-region versions. If anyone is interested in more info, please contact me off-list. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 3:06 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Legend DVD > > > Hi all, > > Could have knocked me over with a feather, I've just seen an advert on > French TV for the Legend DVD... > > Knowing my luck it's got the Jerry Goldsmith score only, but > I'll keep you > all posted (France is region 2 by the way) > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you all for the Tree hi all, I applied to be a leaf some time back, but have not had any contact with a branch as yet... Should I have heard something by now..? or perhaps I am just an eager beaver... Apologies if I am ahead of myself, and possibly in the same situation as all other leaves may be.... Regards Paul From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 7:25 pm Subject: [tree] Wrapper artwork now available They're up now on the tree artwork site, and I'm also uploading them to the group file folder. www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree The wrapper is designed to fit on a cardboard box holding 8 jewel cases. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com From: 'Simon Pride' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: RE: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland > -----Original Message----- > From: LAFOOTE@a... [mailto:LAFOOTE@a...] > Sent: 11 March 2002 17:34 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland > > > If I'm not mistaken Stewart Copeland was actually one of the > ORIGINAL members of the Canadian band 'The Police' from which > the English school teacher, Sting also came from. Stewart > was dabbling in the 'Hollywood' music industry while still > with the Police, I think. Please corrct me if I'm wrong on > this bit of 'Music Trivia'. *Canadian*? The Police originated in, and were based in the UK. From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 8:13 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland In a message dated 11/03/02 19:51:45 GMT Standard Time, spride@c... writes: > *Canadian*? The Police originated in, and were based in the UK. > Correct, they were formed in London in 1977 Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 7:53 pm Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland The Equalizer is a COOL theme. That album is pretty decent. The album version is a little different from what was actually used for the show. I've got another album called 'The Rythmaticist' but it's on cassette, so I haven't heard it in a LONG time... James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:43 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland > > > Copeland also does a lot of TV and movie soundtracks these > days and is in a > line up called Oysterhead with Trey Anastasio of Phish fame > and Les Claypool > of Primus fame. I have one excellent Copeland album called > 'The Equaliser > and Other Cliffhangers' which includes his theme from the TV show The > Equalizer. > > Joe From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:08 pm Subject: Copeland semi-ON-topic Christoph Franke's Sonic Images label is offering the Stewart Copeland soundtrack to 'Little Boy Blue'. In keeping with current soundtrack trends, it's about half songs (which may or may not have appeared in the film) and half actual motion picture score. Go to www.sonicimages.com to listen to samples. Wonder if CF will release his predecessor's B5 work as well???? (too much to hope for I suppose...) James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32663 Re: Copeland semi-ON-topic Owens, James Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Copeland semi-ON-topic Interesting info from a babylon 5 site: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/find/Answers/answ141.html From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:41 pm Subject: TD in 'The Simpsons' ? >http://www.snpp.com/episodes/9F07.html >NOte this comment: Nobody wins >the rickety bridge reference award >unless the movie they propose also >has the same music as the one used >in the scene. Well, the music was (IIRC) a cheesy syth tune, but definitely nothing from Sorcerer. So, unless I heard wrong (highly improbable ;-) or there's another film with a similar scene and just that music (not entirely impossible ;-),I guess we can lay this question to rest as an 'association short' ;-) Or, for the closet proctologists on this lists, might there be a snippet of TD Sorcerer music, just like what was used for this Simpsons episode, later replaced with something else in the final version of the film ? Was it all a conspiracy ? ;-) ;-) And, yeah, I did notice the reference to Kraftwerk when that german sports car dude claims Grandpa/Monty's WWII loot... ;-) cheers, klaus From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:18 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland You are right, I stand corrected on the UK issue. Electric Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1262 Actually, in order for the SACD disc to play in a regular CD player it has to be a Hybrid disc. It has two layers. One layer is SACD and the other is the Redbook CD. The advantage that the regular CD layer has is that it is remastered with Sony's Direct Sream Digital(DSD) recorder which uses a one to one bit rate transfer. PCM uses a much more complex system. When comparing the DSD disc to the SBM version, I hear a little more resolution and slightly improved bass. The SBM discs are very close. I do not yet have an SACD player so, I can't compare the two different layers to each other. Apex now makes a combi player that will play SACD, CD, DVD Audio and DVD Video discs for around $300.00. The reviews are not great for it's SACD playback but , the prices are coming down. Pioneer is also coming out with a less expensive combi player. Robert Wear Liondream asked: > >Alright, maybe a stupid question, but... do you play this SACD on your regular >cd player? DVD player? You play it on a SACD player! From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 12:17 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Thank you all for the Tree I think it is time for a schedule review. I'll try to get to that toonight and posts results. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Thenite0wl@a... [mailto:Thenite0wl@a...] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:08 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you all for the Tree > > > hi all, > I applied to be a leaf some time back, but have not had any > contact with a > branch as yet... Should I have heard something by now..? or > perhaps I am > just an eager beaver... Apologies if I am ahead of myself, > and possibly in > the same situation as all other leaves may be.... > Regards > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:18 am Subject: RE: OT: RE: [tadream] Stewart Copeland From: LAFOOTE@a... [mailto:LAFOOTE@a...] > While with the Police, Copeland - who in 1980 issued a solo record, Music Madness from the Kinetic Kid, under the alias Klark Kent Actually, I'm not sure it's ever been proven that Copeland was Klark Kent... - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Stewart Copeland From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] >I understand he also did some music for Wide Sargasso Sea, but that soundtrack too appears to be unavailable. *sigh* much like Tangerine Dream, many of Copeland's soundtracks are unreleased. Worse, there are many soundtracks albums that contain little to none of his music even though he scored the movie... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Hollywood On US TV this week is a mini-series called FIRESTARTER REKINDLED... Not a TD S/T for sure... > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 9:36 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Hollywood > > > After watching Time Machine this weekend, I am convinced either TD or > another band similar needs to invade Hollywood and teach them how > to score a > sound track. > > Dale > > Not to mention script writing either. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 5:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Farming out B5 In a message dated 3/11/02 10:51:48 AM, Liondream@a... writes: >Just as Paul Haslinger works for (I forget his name now), the guy who did >the music for the Crow, Tomb Raider, etc. Yep, I believe Paul worked on >Tomb Raider. I believe that guy would be Graeme Revell. Brian 'Lustmord' Williams also works with Revell, as a sound designer, which is presumably how Paul and Brian became collaborators. --Daniel NP: Haujobb - Polarity Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32714 Re: Farming out B5 meta_mythos Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:45 am Subject: Bootlegged Dreams Update #21 Well, it has been a long time since the last update, but that was mostly due to the fact that almost all bootleg activity is on CDRs now. But not all, and so it's time for an update of actually pressed CDs. For the sake of clarity, _all_ the CDs mentioned below are actually pirates, you all remember the definitions, don't you ? To speak in the words of the bootleg bible, the 'Hot Wacks' book : 'A destinction had best be made at this point between bootleg, pirate and counterfeit records. A bootleg consists of unreleased material recorded at concerts, studio outtakes and radio or TV broadcasts. A pirate album consists of released material without attempting to make the LP look like an original. A counterfeit album is an exact copy of an officially released album.' C D s ----- * 'Golden Collection 2000' is a russian sampler with tracks from 9 different TD albums * '14 Albums' is a MP3-CD on the very active 'Dom Shnyaya' label. * 'Antologiya Twortsestwa' are 7 MP3-CDs covering almost all TD albums up to 2001, again on the 'Dom Shnyaya' label. CD8 (best of) is said to exist as well, and CD9 to be in the pipeline. Similar MP3-collections exist for Chris Franke (1CD) Klaus Schulze (9CDs) and Vangelis (8CDs) * And yet another one, 'The Keep' on 'Orange Records', a pirate of the TDI010CD, plus four more Keep- style tracks lifted from other CDs (South Camora, Moorland, Silver Scale and Logos) best regards, klaus From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 12:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Stewart Copeland Stewart Copeland contributed or wrote the following movies sound tracks and songs/albums Electric Mike. 1983 Rumble Fish [Original Score] 1985 The Rhythmatist 1988 The Equalizer & Other Cliff Hangers 1990 Noah's Ark 1996 Leopard Son 1998 Four Days in September 1998 Throb Animal Logic Animal Logic (1989) Drums, Producer Animal Logic Rose Colored Glasses (1991) Bass, Drums Joan Armatrading Key (1983) Drums Stanley Clarke Hideaway (1986) Percussion, Drums Stanley Clarke If This Bass Could Only Talk (1988) Drums Curved Air Midnight Wire (1975) Drums Curved Air Airborne (1976) Drums Foo Fighters There Is Nothing Left to Lose (1999) Peter Gabriel So (1986) Synthesizer, Percussion, Drums, Keyboards, Hi Hat Peter Gabriel Shaking the Tree: Sixteen Golden... (1990) Hi Hat Deborah Holland Freudian Slip (1994) Drums, Producer Peter Gabriel Big Time [#1] / Kiss That Frog Oysterhead Grand Pecking Order Pansy Division More Lovin' From Our Oven Los Pericos Ritual de los Pericos The Police on 7 albums: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Stan Ridgway Best of Stan Ridgway: Songs That Made T / Fly on the Wall: Music and Commentary F Timbuk 3 & Stan Ridgway Back to Back Original Soundtrack on 15 albums: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:08 pm Subject: stewart copeland/music in the movies >*sigh* much like Tangerine Dream, many of Copeland's soundtracks are unreleased. Worse, there are many soundtracks albums that contain little to none of his music even though he scored the movie...< ah, this little snippet brought me back to november 1986--in addition to TD playing the mill valley film festival benefit 'music in the movies' Stewart Copeland also played. He performed with Adrian Belew and Stanley Clarke that night--they performed some Stew' music from the movie 'Rumblefish'. --T np Zorch--Glastonbury Live _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32675 Re: stewart copeland/music in the movies LAFOOTE@a... Tue 3/12/2002 2 KB From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] stewart copeland/music in the movies Much of Stewies stuff is available at this site: http://ez2www.com/ Don't forget to check out eBay for stuff also. Electric Mike From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:26 pm Subject: Question re Tangerine Tree vol 1 In the piano solo at the start of track two, at 1.42 there's what 'feels' like a quote from something classical - if it's a quote, can anyone identify it? For what it's worth, the Cocteau Twin's 'Donimo' from 'Treasure' has a similar fragment (Liz's entrance) and that has always nagged at me too... Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rottievision.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32713 Re: Question re Tangerine Tree vol 1 Antonio Nunes Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:59 pm Subject: [tree] status please see this page for a sortable (new!) view of the tree now. We seem to be slowing down in distribution, so I'll send another update later that discusses the timeline on this. http://www.tadream.net/tree/current-sortable.htm notify me if you have received your disks. thx, joe From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:12 am Subject: Can't get site to work I give up. I have Microsoft Office 2000 installed and can't get this site to work: http://www.tadream.net/tree/current-sortable.htm I have ActiveX all set to Prompt and nothing comes up. The website http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2000/owebcom1.aspx?&HelpLCID=1033 says nothing about how to Download this plugin. And Office 2000 small business setup says nothing about installing Web Components. Did you build this in Microsoft Access? If so, only those very few with the full version of Office 2000 with Microsoft Access installed will be able to view this. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32679 Re: Can't get site to work Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB 32680 Re: Can't get site to work LAFOOTE@a... Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 32681 Re: Can't get site to work Matthew Sawyer Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB 32685 Re: Can't get site to work Joe Shoults Wed 3/13/2002 4 KB 32688 Re: Can't get site to work Admin Wed 3/13/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Can't get site to work same here Joe made a boo boo somewhere Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: [tadream] Can't get site to work > I give up. > > I have Microsoft Office 2000 installed and can't get this site to work: > > http://www.tadream.net/tree/current-sortable.htm > > I have ActiveX all set to Prompt and nothing comes up. > > The website > http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2000/owebcom1.aspx?&HelpLCID=1033 > > says nothing about how to Download this plugin. > > And Office 2000 small business setup says nothing about installing Web > Components. Did you build this in Microsoft Access? If so, only those very > few with the full version of Office 2000 with Microsoft Access installed > will be able to view this. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Can't get site to work Morgan, I had the same problem. Electric Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Can't get site to work Works for me (Win 2k, Office 2K partially installed), though I have to say I hate embedded files like this. I couldn't perform a simple operation like sorting the table alphabetically by name without screwing up the other columns as well. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:26 am Subject: [Tree] Excel attachment Joe, May I suggest that you post a raw Excel document? Anyone running Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP who wants to view this as a full-fledged Excel document can download the free 3.5 megabyte Excel 97/2000 Viewer here: http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx Thank you for your efforts in maintaining an up-to-date table of information. It's just that very few of us have a full install of the $550 Office 2000 package. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32689 Re: [Tree] Excel attachment Joe Shoults Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB 32690 Re: [Tree] Excel attachment Admin Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB 32692 Re: [Tree] Excel attachment LAFOOTE@a... Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 32693 Re: [Tree] Excel attachment Antonio Nunes Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:28 am Subject: Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous I read this list on-line at the Yahoo web site, instead of receiving individual e-mails. It is getting RIDICULOUS to read this way. Now there are two huge ads but every 4th page, there is a full screen ad to dismiss. Go here to see a snapshot of what each message window looks like: http://www.feldoncentral.com/yahoo-tadream.gif -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32684 Re: Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous Joe Shoults Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB 32687 Re: Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous Admin Wed 3/13/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous Oh yeah, that's annoying, isn't it? Well, from the standpoint that yahoo has to make money, I guess you'd expect it sooner or later. That's just what happened with egroups, if you remember. I have an UltraDev mailing list too (that's a tool for building database-driven websites) and they are ticked off too. We created a spin-off group just for developing an application that will function like yahoogorups. If anyone here is asp-savvy and interested in participating, let me know. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/12/02 10:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous I read this list on-line at the Yahoo web site, instead of receiving individual e-mails. It is getting RIDICULOUS to read this way. Now there are two huge ads but every 4th page, there is a full screen ad to dismiss. Go here to see a snapshot of what each message window looks like: http://www.feldoncentral.com/yahoo-tadream.gif -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Can't get site to work Whaddya mean? It works fine for me, both at work and home, and I'm on a shitty dial-up here. I'm running Windows 98 SE on a Celeron 566 with 128 MB RAM using IE 5.50.422something and *seriously* jamming out to Magellan's 'Hour of Restoration' album. Note that the webpage I linked to is something over 200k, so be patient! I know that's pretty huge, but it's worth the wait. Actually, this activeX control is way cool, and I didn't even know it was in Excel until today - I just saved the spreadsheet 'with interactivity' as html on a lark and it worked! Of course, it is limited compared to Excel, but it comes mighty damn close with the Property Toolbox and AutoFilter functions. Now, there may be a difference, and that I have installed Office 2000 with the 'Run from computer' checked on about everything, so maybe it installed the ActiveX control with Excel. But seriously, it works. I get a little blank box in the top middle of the screen for a little bit, then it opens up into the full view. JOe -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/12/02 8:12 PM Subject: [tadream] Can't get site to work I give up. I have Microsoft Office 2000 installed and can't get this site to work: http://www.tadream.net/tree/current-sortable.htm I have ActiveX all set to Prompt and nothing comes up. The website http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2000/owebcom1.aspx?&HelpLCID=1033 says nothing about how to Download this plugin. And Office 2000 small business setup says nothing about installing Web Components. Did you build this in Microsoft Access? If so, only those very few with the full version of Office 2000 with Microsoft Access installed will be able to view this. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:24 am Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /Tangerine Tree items/tree031202.xls Uploaded by : bigstupidgeek Description : Tree table march 12 02 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Tangerine Tree items/tree031202.\ xls To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigstupidgeek From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous The programmer i work with might be willing to assist. I got him ASPing all day long now. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous > Oh yeah, that's annoying, isn't it? > > Well, from the standpoint that yahoo has to make money, I guess you'd expect > it sooner or later. That's just what happened with egroups, if you > remember. > > I have an UltraDev mailing list too (that's a tool for building > database-driven websites) and they are ticked off too. We created a > spin-off group just for developing an application that will function like > yahoogorups. If anyone here is asp-savvy and interested in participating, > let me know. > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 3/12/02 10:28 PM > Subject: [tadream] Off-topic - Yahoo getting ridiculous > > I read this list on-line at the Yahoo web site, instead of receiving > individual e-mails. It is getting RIDICULOUS to read this way. Now there > > are two huge ads but every 4th page, there is a full screen ad to > dismiss. > Go here to see a snapshot of what each message window looks like: > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/yahoo-tadream.gif > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Can't get site to work well I still see nada, get no prompt to download just text with typos.. Which is fine for a TD group anyway huh? Joe, don't be fancy, just set it up for all of us to view.. thanks Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Can't get site to work > Whaddya mean? It works fine for me, both at work and home, and I'm on a > shitty dial-up here. I'm running Windows 98 SE on a Celeron 566 with 128 MB > RAM using IE 5.50.422something and *seriously* jamming out to Magellan's > 'Hour of Restoration' album. > > Note that the webpage I linked to is something over 200k, so be patient! I > know that's pretty huge, but it's worth the wait. > > Actually, this activeX control is way cool, and I didn't even know it was in > Excel until today - I just saved the spreadsheet 'with interactivity' as > html on a lark and it worked! Of course, it is limited compared to Excel, > but it comes mighty damn close with the Property Toolbox and AutoFilter > functions. > > Now, there may be a difference, and that I have installed Office 2000 with > the 'Run from computer' checked on about everything, so maybe it installed > the ActiveX control with Excel. > > > But seriously, it works. I get a little blank box in the top middle of the > screen for a little bit, then it opens up into the full view. > > JOe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 3/12/02 8:12 PM > Subject: [tadream] Can't get site to work > > I give up. > > I have Microsoft Office 2000 installed and can't get this site to work: > > http://www.tadream.net/tree/current-sortable.htm > > I have ActiveX all set to Prompt and nothing comes up. > > The website > http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2000/owebcom1.aspx?&HelpLCID=1033 > > says nothing about how to Download this plugin. > > And Office 2000 small business setup says nothing about installing Web > Components. Did you build this in Microsoft Access? If so, only those > very > few with the full version of Office 2000 with Microsoft Access installed > > will be able to view this. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment No problemo. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Tangerine Tree items/tree031 202.xls in the Files section at a browser near you. -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/12/02 10:26 PM Subject: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment Joe, May I suggest that you post a raw Excel document? Anyone running Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP who wants to view this as a full-fledged Excel document can download the free 3.5 megabyte Excel 97/2000 Viewer here: http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx Thank you for your efforts in maintaining an up-to-date table of information. It's just that very few of us have a full install of the $550 Office 2000 package. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment got it, saved it Thanks dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment > No problemo. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Tangerine Tree items/tree031 > 202.xls in the Files section at a browser near you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 3/12/02 10:26 PM > Subject: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment > > Joe, > > May I suggest that you post a raw Excel document? > > Anyone running Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP who wants to view this as a > full-fledged Excel document can download the free 3.5 megabyte Excel > 97/2000 Viewer here: > > http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx > > Thank you for your efforts in maintaining an up-to-date table of > information. It's just that very few of us have a full install of the > $550 > Office 2000 package. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:47 am Subject: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today Hi all, today received I my INFERNO WEB EDITION , pictures about the CD and from the Booklet today evening on my Homepage: www.opticaldream.de Many thankx for this CD to all people from TDI Music and specially to Edgar and Jerome Froese. Regards heiko neumann germany www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de (with online CD Shop) BTW: in the credits or thank you list to this CD, I found Peter Baumann and Paul Haslinger on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32694 Re: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today Heiko Heerssen Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 32698 Re: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today theta2.geo Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 32699 Re: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today Heiko Heerssen Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment Morgan, Does this indicate that even if we have MS Office 97, with the full version of Excel on it, that we still need to download this Viewer? Thanks for the input. Electric Mike From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [Tree] Excel attachment LAFOOTE@a... wrote: > > Morgan, > Does this indicate that even if we have MS Office 97, with the full > version of Excel on it, that we still need to download this Viewer? > Thanks for the input. > Electric Mike I have MS Office 97 here, and I can see the Excel attachment. So, you don't need to download the viewer. BTW, I can't see the sortable table at http://www.tadream.net/tree/current-sortable.htm and I have Internet Explorer 5.5 and Office 97. The 'floating clock' is very cool though :-) Antonio From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno WEB CD arrived me today > Hi all, > > today received I my INFERNO WEB EDITION , pictures about the CD and from the Booklet today evening on my Homepage: www.opticaldream.de Envy!! I would like to listen to the CD right now, but I'm stuck here in the office and have to work until 7pm today. I guess right now the package is lying on our doormat, waiting to be heard :-( > BTW: in the credits or thank you list to this CD, I found Peter Baumann and Paul Haslinger on it. now that's kind of interesting. I wonder why Edgar didn't mention Johannes Schmoelling and Chris Franke?! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32698 Re: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today theta2.geo Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: FW: [tadream] Can't get site to work If you're seeing typos you're seeing a cached version. -----Original Message----- From: Admin To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/12/02 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Can't get site to work well I still see nada, get no prompt to download just text with typos.. Which is fine for a TD group anyway huh? Joe, don't be fancy, just set it up for all of us to view.. thanks Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32696 Re: Can't get site to work C. Chambers Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Can't get site to work Looked fine to me... Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:31 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: FW: [tadream] Can't get site to work > > > > If you're seeing typos you're seeing a cached version. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:36 pm Subject: OT RE: [tadream] Can't get site to work yeah, what's WITH these people?? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:17 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Can't get site to work > > > Looked fine to me... > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:31 AM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: FW: [tadream] Can't get site to work > > > > > > > > If you're seeing typos you're seeing a cached version. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'theta2.geo' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today > > BTW: in the credits or thank you list to this CD, I found Peter Baumann and Paul Haslinger on it. > > now that's kind of interesting. I wonder why Edgar didn't mention Johannes Schmoelling and Chris Franke?! > > Heiko Why should Edgar say Thank You to people who were not involved? Maybe parts of the music are fragments from former times (with Baumann or Haslinger). Man weiß so wenig! ;-) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Inferno WEB CD arrived me today > Why should Edgar say Thank You to people who were not > involved? As far as I know neither Baumann, Haslinger, Franke or Schmoelling were involved in the music. In an interview Edgar said that he & Jerome started composing music for the 'Inferno' trilogy in 1992, so that was at a time were none of the above mentioned musicians were members of the band anymore. > Man weiß so wenig! ;-) yep, only Ed & the TD gods above know the truth ;-) Heiko From: atye@a... Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:55 pm Subject: Tree status..... So, according to the Excel file that I downloaded (web page still won't work, nice clock, though)....This is what I am seeing. ATYE (me)-----> to rec'v CD's from 'D.D.' D.D. ------> to rec'v CD's from 'M.F.' M.F. -----> to rec'v CD's from 'S.C.' S.C. -----> to rec'v CD's from 'J.S.' J.S. -----> to rec'v CD's from 'M.E.' 'M.E.' is the first person in my branch (or should I say vine) that has a copy of the CD's in hand according to the list. That means I am FIVE levels away from ever seeing any music. I am not angry, and this is in no way a 'flame'...I'm just wondering why only 10% (19/199) of the people have rec'd their CD's so-far. Is this normal for a Tree project such as this? I am just anxious to hear the good music, that's all, and I REALLY appreciate everyone's hard work on this. :-) (going back to lurking now......) ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32701 Re: Tree status..... mars103nl Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB From: 'mars103nl' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Tree status..... --- In tadream@y..., atye@a... wrote: > > 'M.E.' is the first person in my branch (or should I say vine) that has a > copy of the CD's in hand according to the list. That means I am FIVE levels > away from ever seeing any music. It is sent. Herbert, who is my leave already got the CDs. Only it is taking a bit long to reach Joe. It should be there already, it has been sent almost 2 weeks ago (I'm not sure, have to check). > Is this normal for a Tree project such as this? > I am just anxious to hear the good music, that's all, and I REALLY appreciate > everyone's hard work on this. Well, it surely takes a little while when everyone got their CDs. It takes more then a week for a parcel or a letter reaches America, plus when I get the CDRs it is not ready the next day, so... Maybe something went wrong with posting the CDRs to Joe? But I wait a little longer before copying 8 CDRs again. I bought a very good (and expensive) package for the CDRs so that shouldn't be the case. Hope you all receive your discs soon. Marcel From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: Inferno Peter and Paul credit Perhaps it's something Edgar started working on back in the Private Music days when Peter and Paul were both around? > -----Original Message----- > > BTW: in the credits or thank you list to this CD, I found > Peter Baumann and Paul Haslinger on it. > > now that's kind of interesting. I wonder why Edgar didn't > mention Johannes Schmoelling and Chris Franke?! From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: [tree] RE: [tadream] Tree status..... > -----Original Message----- > From: atye@a... [mailto:atye@a...] > I am not angry, and this is in no way a 'flame'...I'm just > wondering why only > 10% (19/199) of the people have rec'd their CD's so-far. MARCEL's BRANCHLINE ------------------------- Marcel has informed me that the disks are on their way, and I anticipate they will arrive at any time; I'm hoping today. I already have all my blank CDRs, sleeves and mailing packages ready to go, so I'll have a quick turnaround to my descendants. This will kick off a very large USA branchline. SPEED OF TREE PROPAGATION ------------------------------------ I know I've mentioned it before, but many people wanted to be branches on this project, and i've spread out the duties to as many people as possible, perhaps a wee bit thinly. It was to be determined how this would affect tree propagation speed. I don't think we're in the 'Red Zone' on deadlines yet, but getting close. As I stated in the beginning, I will move branchlines if it becomes necessary. CURRENT SITUATION ------------------------ By now, all Level 1 participants have received their disks and should have made progress on their Level 2 recipients. I record when people tell me they receive their disks, not when a branch says they mailed them. So.... so far, I've heard from the descendants of the following Level 1 branches: Duncan McKee (whose descendants are making the most progress down the line so far) Wouter Bessels Heiko Neumann Michael Berling I have *not* heard from the descendants of the following Level 1 branches: JerzyK Conrad Gibbons Matthew Sawyer Uwe Herold Volkmar Friauf This is of course, not to say that they haven't sent them to their descendants, but I just haven't heard about it. LOOKING AHEAD --------------------- Since most of the overseas shiping has occured in these first levels, I think it is reasonable to say that each level shouldn't take much more than 2 weeks to turn around. This means that as of right now, the following Level 2 people should have all received their disks and are making copies for their Level 3 descendants so that those copies arrive to the Level 3 people by April 1. If anyone in this list has NOT received their disks, or haven't received a solid delivery date from their branches, let me know asap, as this means you are seriously behind schedule and I will adjust the assignments to speed things up. Ifyou are a branch with one of these peoplein your downline, get on the stick and get those disks out! If you are having problems, you should let me know so I can make adjustments in the assignments. Arne Richter Artur Stoncel Craig Cordrey Dean Mitchell Éric Rochon FRANK CASTLE Georg Oppenberg Gerry Fox Jan Aunsholt Maciej Gozdek Michael Piersanti Neil Perryman Piotr Sulkowski ROBERT PITAK Roger Roden Steve Jenkins Timo Astala Vincent Goudreault Vincent Guérenne So, this means that by the very latest date of April 1 - if it's not too 'foolish' a thought - the following Level 3 people should all have their CDRs: Alexander Bjelke Alvaro Pachecol Armin Thiessen baG Brian Stewart Chris Owen Colin Anderson- UK Daniel Hobrecht Dmitriy V. Nikitin Frank Stephen Gabe Yedid Gary Jenkins Grant Somerville Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Jens Kilian Joe Shoults John Christian John McIntyre John Vertical Jonathan Holt Kelvin Munson Kevin Earley Marcelo Gutierrez Marion Horrod Mark H. Michal Moroz Mikael Jussila Mike Browder Miles MacMillan Neil Jellis Olle Rundgren Pal Szatmari Paul Ridout Peter Stoeferle Piotr Nawrocki RAFAL PALUSZKIEWICZ Raimo Mäkinen René Brenner Robert Bobowski Robert Schwartz Rogelio Cavazos Jr. Roger Hartopp Roger Schuncken Sean Montgomery Stephen Manship Thomas Bertilsson Veine K Vikberg Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32722 Re: [tree] RE: [tadream] Tree status..... Armin Theissen Thu 3/14/2002 3 KB 32735 Re: [tree] RE: [tadream] Tree status..... Chris Owen Thu 3/14/2002 3 KB 32766 Re: Tree Paul Fellows Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB From: CHIQUITISIMO Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:08 pm Subject: Searching Andy Summers rarities... Hello dreamers, A friend is searching some Andy Summer's live concerts from 1988. He played together Tangerine Dream in the USA tour '88. Can someone help me??? Thanks you for your time, José Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32705 Re: Searching Andy Summers rarities... KMJ Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 32712 Re: Searching Andy Summers rarities... michaeljean@e... Wed 3/13/2002 3 KB From: KMJ Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:19 pm Subject: Re: Searching Andy Summers rarities... >A friend is searching some Andy Summer's live concerts from 1988. He >played together Tangerine Dream in the USA tour '88. Well, I know his New Orleans show was taped but alas, it has vanished over the years. It was a pretty good opening set. I would be interested in hearing one of his shows from that tour again as well. Kevin From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:30 pm Subject: Tree Thanks for the update on the tree....guess like all trees it just needed some fertilizer! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:32 pm Subject: Berlin concert My geograophy is not that good. Can someone please tell me which airport is nearest for the concert? Thanks David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'federico valdes' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: artwork request dear friends , could anyone please email me the covers for the OEDIPUS TYRANNUS COMPLETE ( BBC + chichester ... ) ? also the montreal 9/4/77 as i am having a few problems finding the right cover with 3 songs in the first disc and 4 in the second ? also , does anybody have the covers for the nottingham 8/11/76 with 2 pieces in it ( 64 min ) ? i am looking for the paris 22/11/76 with one piece in the first disc and 2 on the second ( each 60 min aprox. ) any covers for the BILBAO show ? any help would be greatly appreciated federico [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:24 pm Subject: [tree] UPDATE: notification reminder and links to views of tre e When you receive your Tangerine Tree CDs, please notify me here: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=got-my-disks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Here are URLS for different views of the tree. BOLD means they let me know they received disks, or I surmised it from descendants' notices: Alpha view: http://www.tadream.net/tree/treealpha.htm Alpha-by-Tree Level: http://www.tadream.net/tree/alpha-level-tree.htm Descendants-by-Tree Level: http://www.tadream.net/tree/descend-by-level.htm Alpha by supplier: http://www.tadream.net/tree/alphabysupplier.htm alpha by country: http://www.tadream.net/tree/alphabycountry.htm alpha by trade status: http://www.tadream.net/tree/alphabytrade.htm From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:27 pm Subject: Listowner announcement: yahoogroups scheduled maintenance FYI: Groups will be down for scheduled maintenance Friday Mar 15 9PM PST (GMT-8). We expect to restore service the morning of Sunday Mar 17. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32780 Ripoff Paul Fellows Sun 3/17/2002 2 KB 32785 Re: Ripoff Michael A Jean Sun 3/17/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:31 pm Subject: off topic- 'The Ring of the Dragons.' Has anyone out there heard of Christopher Caouette's c.d. entitled 'Ring of the Dragons?' The c.d. is a mixture of Cusco, Vangelis, and Kitaro. I especially like tracks 4, 6 & 2. I think it would be a valuable piece for anyone's collection. All the best, Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32716 Completely off-topic: NCR and TTR Jeffrey Au Yeung Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 10:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Searching Andy Summers rarities... Just to clarify, Andy performed as a seperate act BEFORE TD came on stage; not with them... MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: CHIQUITISIMO chiquitisimo@t... Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:01 +0100 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Searching Andy Summers rarities... Hello dreamers, A friend is searching some Andy Summer's live concerts from 1988. He played together Tangerine Dream in the USA tour '88. Can someone help me??? Thanks you for your time, José ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question re Tangerine Tree vol 1 Steve wrote: > > In the piano solo at the start of track two, at 1.42 there's what 'feels' > like a quote from something classical - if it's a quote, can anyone identify > it? I can't identify that quote, but I seem to hear another quote on the third track. Listen to the parts between 11:21 - 11:35 and also 11:47 - 12:03. Doesn't it sound familiar, especially to our British members? Or am I just having 'A Hard Day's Night'? ;-) Antonio np: Tangerine Tree Vol.1 From: 'meta_mythos' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:20 am Subject: Re: Farming out B5 --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > I believe that guy would be Graeme Revell. > Brian 'Lustmord' Williams also works with Revell, as a sound designer, which > is presumably how Paul and Brian became collaborators. Actually, I've known Paul for much longer than that, and bought him to Graeme's attention. I haven't worked with Graeme for a couple of years. B. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:27 am Subject: D: Tangerine Tree Well, I have just gotten my mitts on two of the 10 Tangerine Tree discs and I am blown away so far. 1976-06-27 Berlin Philharmonie This has to be the sharpest, clearest bootleg I have ever heard. Edgar could put this for sale if he wanted. The sounds are so crisp. No muddiness, all the intricacies of the music can be heard. 1983-06-11 Fassbinder Memorial Concert This seems to be a filtered version of the excellent bootleg I already had. The improvements are subtle, but appreciated. I guess nearly everyone who attended this concert had a cold or flu! Almost nonstop coughing from all over the venue. And since it was a small closed venue, you get major reverberations. Still, it is an excellent recording. The only flaw is one in the source and cannot be repaired. That is that some parts of Logos are slightly overdriven. There's nothing that can be done to the recording to fix this, and I doubt a better bootleg of this concert will ever come forward. Thanks to Heiko and all the people who have put their efforts into the Tree!! -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32718 Re: D: Tangerine Tree Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/14/2002 4 KB 32720 Re: D: Tangerine Tree albenson Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: Jeffrey Au Yeung Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:21 am Subject: Completely off-topic: NCR and TTR Hi all Excuse me this is commerce-related spam but I need some information. If anyone has any knowledge of the famous NCR group from the States and its products, and in particular any knowledge of thermal transfer ribbons (for bar-code printing), pls contact me off-list at tangram80@y... Thanks! Jeffrey _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 5:20 am Subject: Re: Haslinger/Lustmord/Revell In a message dated 3/13/02 8:06:14 PM, blackmirage@e... writes: >Actually, I've known Paul for much longer than that, and bought >him to Graeme's attention. >I haven't worked with Graeme for a couple of years. Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry about my inaccurate presumption. :) --Daniel NP: Assemblage 23 - Addendum From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 7:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Tangerine Tree > 1976-06-27 Berlin Philharmonie > > This has to be the sharpest, clearest bootleg I have ever heard. Edgar > could put this for sale if he wanted. The sounds are so crisp. No > muddiness, all the intricacies of the music can be heard. When I started to collect TD recordings (erm..the ones you can't find in CD stores ;-) the first version of the Berlin 76 I had was on a 'Collected Rarities' CDR which I received from Rainer Rutka (Rainer, where on earth are you??) I thought it was pretty good, but then I received another tape version from Alan 'The TD's pal' Benson which really blew my mind (and so far everything I received from Al is second to none) I also must give a credit to Jerzy '3N' for remastering the tape, in my book he's a real 'pro'. > 1983-06-11 Fassbinder Memorial Concert > > This seems to be a filtered version of the excellent bootleg I already had. > The improvements are subtle, but appreciated. you may have noticed that this is the full audience recording. The 'Fassbinder memorial concert' LP was about 4 minutes shorter. The music is from a tape which I got from Klaus Beschorner several years ago (always the 'usual suspects', eh?! ;-) > The only flaw is one in the source and cannot be repaired. That is that > some parts of Logos are slightly overdriven. There's nothing that can be > done to the recording to fix this, and I doubt a better bootleg of this > concert will ever come forward. Who knows...nobody is perfect. But I think it's pretty good, especially the 2nd half ('Poland') has a very crisp sound, and the remastered version you heard is definetly better than the tape that was used for it. Also, one has to keep in mind that most of these recordings were captured by just using a more or less simple tape recorder. I must have listened to Volume 1 Nottingham Albert Hall 1976 at least twenty times now, and I still don't know how the person managed to get such a brilliant sound quality with just his tape recorder (I guess that most of you will agree that parts of the recording sound like a radio broadcast..well, once you have received the discs.. ;-) Just keep in mind that this happened 25+ years ago, at a time where DAT or MD recorders were unknown. > Thanks to Heiko and all the people who have put their efforts into the Tree!! Thanks Morgan. I wonder if Edgar & Jerome already listened to some of the Tree CDRs? :-) Heiko P.S.: I didn't receive my 'Inferno web edition' yesterday, only a notification from UPS saying that they will try again today because I wasn't at home....argh, they really know how to ruin someones' day ;-) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin concert > My geograophy is not that good. Can someone please tell me which airport is nearest for the concert? > > Thanks > David Hello David, there's a short description of the 'Museumsinsel' (Museum Island) which you read by scrolling down the page a bit, the URL is: http://www.berlin.de/home/English/VisitorsGuide/Museums/index.html. I would also highly recommend to visit the nearby Pergamon Museum which is (quote:) ' one of the world´s most well-known archaeological museums and best known for the superbly preserved Gate of Ishtar, the Hellenistic Pergamon altar and other architectural and artistic wonders of the ancient Greek, Roman and Babylonian world. The number one highlight remains the white carved marble Pergamon Altar, which dates from 180-160 BC' . I visited this museum several years ago and was very impressed. This isn't a guided tour, but instead you will be given a walkman & headphones (maybe it's a Discman now) where someone is telling you about the ancient wonders of the world....don't you agree that this would be the perfect opportunity to put in the 'Pergamon' CD instead ~lol~ The place the concert will take place is right in the centre of Berlin: 'Kolonnadenhof vor der Alten Nationalgalerie/ Museumsinsel, Bodestr. 1-3, 10178 Berlin (Mitte)' Regarding the 'nearest airport', have a look at the following URLs: http://www.berlin.de/home/TouristCenter/TouristInformation/english/index.html http://www.berlin-airport.de/PubEnglish/index.html Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32727 Re: Berlin concert richter_arne Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: 'albenson' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:30 am Subject: Re: D: Tangerine Tree In Tadream Digest #1265 (03.12.02) Morgan started with (excerpt): >> Thanks to Heiko and all the people who >> have put their efforts into the Tree!! >> >> -Morgan And, Heiko answered with (excerpt): > Thanks Morgan. I wonder if Edgar & Jerome > already listened to some of the Tree CDRs? :-) Hehehe... We can *always* hope. ;-) Anyway, two words shall suffice: Hear! Hear!! Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From: Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:16 am Subject: first impressions Inferno Hi all, Here my first and short impressions from the INFERNO CD: the accommodation of the concert is very strong, printout-strongly and clearly - one is bound from start to end. Thank you to TD. Regards heiko - mr. optical www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:30 am Subject: Re: [tree] RE: [tadream] Tree status..... Hi, > I have *not* heard from the descendants of the following Level 1 branches: > > JerzyK > Conrad Gibbons I'm a leave on Conrad's branch and have received all CDs about a week ago. Great job. [snip] > So, this means that by the very latest date of April 1 - if it's not too > 'foolish' a thought - the following Level 3 people should all have their > CDRs: > > Alexander Bjelke > Alvaro Pachecol > Armin Thiessen yep, thats me, even though it should read 'Theissen' (note ie vs ei, but nevermind, common mistake of native english speakers). I have all CDs and I'm *veeery* happy. armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:44 am Subject: RE: Inferno CD WEB Edition Hi again, on the WEB CD EDition I missed an barcode on it, I cant found it. But the normal Street Release in June has this inside. This is the first Difference to the WEB EDITION. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32724 Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition tangram12 Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32726 Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition td_freak Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32725 Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: 'tangram12' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:53 am Subject: Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition just thought i should mention this. i recieved my copy of inferno this morning. but not the web edition from TDI, still waiting for this one, i recieved it from CDS in dundee, i had had it on order since december, it is exactly the same as the one described on heiko neumanns web site, the covers are the same and also has no barcode. so much for it being a web release only :-(. Duncan www.tadream.co.uk tangram@t... --- In tadream@y..., wrote: > Hi again, > > on the WEB CD EDition I missed an barcode on it, I cant found it. > > But the normal Street Release in June has this inside. This is the first Difference to the WEB EDITION. > > Regards > heiko - Mr. Optical > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32726 Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition td_freak Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition > just thought i should mention this. > i recieved my copy of inferno this morning. > but not the web edition from TDI, still waiting for this one, i > recieved it from CDS in dundee, i had had it on order since > december,... I guess I know the answer. Dundee seems to have a special relationship to Tangerine Dream, have a look at this URL: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Park/8250/united.htm 'Welcome to Tangerine Dream, an unofficial Dundee United website' there you go... ;-) Heiko From: 'td_freak' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:14 am Subject: Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition --- In tadream@y..., 'tangram12' wrote: > just thought i should mention this. > i recieved my copy of inferno this morning. > but not the web edition from TDI, still waiting for this one, i > recieved it from CDS in dundee, i had had it on order since > december, it is exactly the same as the one described on heiko > neumanns web site, the covers are the same and also has no barcode. > so much for it being a web release only :-(. On the TDI website I noticed the following sentence: 'At the moment, 'Inferno' will only be available via the TDI-site and selected mailorders' So it wasn't planned as a 'web release' CD which can only be ordered via TDI. From: 'richter_arne' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 11:22 am Subject: Re: Berlin concert > My geograophy is not that good. Can someone please tell me which airport is nearest for the concert? We have 3 international airports in Berlin and a fourth one is being planned, cool huh? Well actually the 4th one is supposed to replace the other three if they ever build it. Anyway, the airports are called TXL, SXF and THF but for online reservations you can use the code BER which will give you flights to any of the three airports. As far as distance is concerned: TXL is 33 minutes from the concert location (bus, change once). SXF is 30 minutes from the concert location (urban train). THF is 29 minutes from the concert location (metro and walk or bus). In other words, you pick the airport based on what airline flies there from your nearest airport, not based on where the airport is located in Berlin. Arne (from Berlin) From: 'braddito' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:43 pm Subject: Looking for 1975/6 show CDR's There are 15 shows that I'd like to get CDR copies of from this period. I have 40 plus TD shows from 72 to 88 and also Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Genesis and Yes to trade. Just to make it clear, I will not buy, I will not sell. I would prefer to trade with UK/ European residents to cut postage costs (and time delays). I can send my wants list plus what I have got available as Excel sheets (can be .txt format if you don't have Excel). If you may be able to help, please reply off list. Thanks Toby From: tom george Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 2:05 pm Subject: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Hello All, I discovered an odd disc the other day while browsing the TD database at www.towerrecords.com. I was wondering if anyone else had it or had heard about it. The band is listed as 'Spacious' on the front cover and the title of the disc is 'Magnetic Tapestry'. Song titles are as follows: 1. Tribute to Tangerine Dream (8:06) 2. Seabreeze (Winter in Maine) (5:37) 3. Oceanic (Deep Sea Diving-1953) (5:23) 4. Under the Sun: Movement-1 Movement-2 (9:50) 5. Skyscrape (Over Arizona) (7:11) 6. The Priceless Pearl (1:26) On the back of the cd the band is listed as follows: The Tone Poets are: Johnny Spacious-Analogs Fritz Spacious-Analogs George Junda-Select Cymbaals & Bells Produced by Robert Philip Orlando Cover design by Ana Maria Restrepo The label is 'Cool Nation' Marketed and Distributed by Hot Productions, Inc. 7360 S.W. 48th Street Miami, Florida 33155 In the booklet the following information concerns TD: I left out anything that doesn't mention them spacifically. 'Tribute to Tangerine Dream is our way of expressing gratitude to the artist for the inspiration they have given us over the years. Thank you> Spacious synthesizers (Arp 2600, ARP analog sequencer, ARP Odyssey, Mini Moog, Mellotron) Recorded at Sound Land Studio-Paupua New Guinea 1973-1992 First song: Tribute to Tangerine Dream-This piece is a tribute to Tangerine Dream; the prolific electronic music artists that were early pioneers of the electronic music artform. Essentially, this work is a 'medley' of Tangerine's later works. The piece sets the 'electronic' mood for the entire work with its clashing sequences, harsh choirs and buzzsaw synths. A slick production that sets the mood for this work. This cd is very reminiscent of the 'Melrose', 'Le Parc' era. Another odd fact is that after I ordered this cd and recieved it; I went back online to order a couple more copies to give away as gifts and it is nowhere to be found. It is not listed in Towers database anywhere by artist or title. So I am assuming that I got the only one they had but normally they will still have the title listed when they sell the last one and the following will appear: Special Order. This cd shows being made in 1993. What a mystery right? Anyway, this is a wonderful cd, the music is great and I highly recommend it to all of you 'must have everything' people out there. You know who you are. :) Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32732 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 3/14/2002 5 KB 32733 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Marcel Engels Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32744 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream gyedid01 Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32739 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Owens, James Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32740 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 3/14/2002 3 KB 32742 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream tei waz Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32743 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32747 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Admin Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32788 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream Phil White Sun 3/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Tree status Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:06:59 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: [tree] RE: Tree status..... So, this means that by the very latest date of April 1 - if it's not too 'foolish' a thought - the following Level 3 people should all have their CDRs: Roger Hartopp Got mine! Roger Hartopp -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 4:32 pm Subject: ot andy summers '88 I've a recording of andy summers berkeley '88--contact me off-list. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream I believe I have a copy of this too. I will check into it when I return home to see. Also bought at Tower Records, either in Hollywood or Reno. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream > Hello All, > I discovered an odd disc the other day while > browsing the TD database at www.towerrecords.com. > I was wondering if anyone else had it or had heard > about it. The band is listed as 'Spacious' on the > front cover and the title of the disc is 'Magnetic > Tapestry'. Song titles are as follows: > > 1. Tribute to Tangerine Dream (8:06) > 2. Seabreeze (Winter in Maine) (5:37) > 3. Oceanic (Deep Sea Diving-1953) (5:23) > 4. Under the Sun: Movement-1 > Movement-2 (9:50) > 5. Skyscrape (Over Arizona) (7:11) > 6. The Priceless Pearl (1:26) > > On the back of the cd the band is listed as follows: > > The Tone Poets are: > Johnny Spacious-Analogs > Fritz Spacious-Analogs > George Junda-Select Cymbaals & Bells > > Produced by Robert Philip Orlando > Cover design by Ana Maria Restrepo > > The label is 'Cool Nation' > > Marketed and Distributed by > Hot Productions, Inc. > 7360 S.W. 48th Street > Miami, Florida 33155 > > In the booklet the following information concerns > TD: I left out anything that doesn't mention them > spacifically. > > 'Tribute to Tangerine Dream is our way of expressing > gratitude to the artist for the inspiration they > have given us over the years. Thank you> > > Spacious synthesizers (Arp 2600, ARP analog sequencer, > ARP Odyssey, Mini Moog, Mellotron) > > Recorded at Sound Land Studio-Paupua New Guinea > 1973-1992 > > First song: > > Tribute to Tangerine Dream-This piece is a tribute to > Tangerine Dream; the prolific electronic music artists > that were early pioneers of the electronic music > artform. Essentially, this work is a 'medley' of > Tangerine's later works. The piece sets the > 'electronic' mood for the entire work with its > clashing sequences, harsh choirs and buzzsaw synths. > A slick production that sets the mood for this work. > > > This cd is very reminiscent of the 'Melrose', 'Le > Parc' > era. > > Another odd fact is that after I ordered this cd and > recieved it; I went back online to order a couple more > copies to give away as gifts and it is nowhere to be > found. It is not listed in Towers database anywhere > by artist or title. So I am assuming that I got the > only one they had but normally they will still have > the title listed when they sell the last one and the > following will appear: Special Order. > > This cd shows being made in 1993. > > What a mystery right? > > Anyway, this is a wonderful cd, the music is great > and I highly recommend it to all of you 'must have > everything' people out there. You know who you are. > :) > > > Tom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 4:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream > From: tom george [mailto:eloy_usa@y...] > > Spacious synthesizers (Arp 2600, ARP analog sequencer, > ARP Odyssey, Mini Moog, Mellotron) > (snip) > > This cd is very reminiscent of the 'Melrose', 'Le > Parc' > era. Now that is a mystery to me! How can this CD sound like Melrose if they used these instruments??? It's impossible. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32744 Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream gyedid01 Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 7:57 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Whatever it sounds like,or whatever the outstanding TD sound like,i have never heard a concert like the Albert hall in 75,pretenders have come,and pretenders have gone,but lets get SERIOUS Tangerine Dream are the GREATEST of all time. Nothing to touch the GREATEST. Best regards Colin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32750 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32754 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Gustavo Jobim Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32752 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. albenson Fri 3/15/2002 4 KB 32755 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32756 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. albenson Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 37972 Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 12/27/2002 2 KB 37974 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 12/27/2002 2 KB 37978 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/27/2002 4 KB 37979 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:36 am Subject: Re: [tree] RE: [tadream] Tree status..... Hi, I am on Conrad's branch, and have now received all the CDRs from him. A very good job he did too! Thanks Conrad. - Chris Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: Armin Theissen To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [tree] RE: [tadream] Tree status..... > > > Hi, > > > I have *not* heard from the descendants of the following Level 1 branches: > > > > JerzyK > > Conrad Gibbons > > I'm a leave on Conrad's branch and have received all CDs about a week ago. > Great job. > > [snip] > > > So, this means that by the very latest date of April 1 - if it's not too > > 'foolish' a thought - the following Level 3 people should all have their > > CDRs: > > > > Alexander Bjelke > > Alvaro Pachecol > > Armin Thiessen > > yep, thats me, even though it should read 'Theissen' (note ie vs ei, > but nevermind, common mistake of native english speakers). I have all > CDs and I'm *veeery* happy. > > armin > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:34 pm Subject: Berlin concert Heiko Thanks for the information David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:42 pm Subject: Berlin concert Thanks Arne I will check out the airlines David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:37 pm Subject: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Just borrowed Redshift from a friend and thought I'd give it a few words here after my first hearing: For the first 15 minutes of track 1 I could have been listening to Rubycon side 3 (from the totally fictional Rubycon double-LP). The rest of the track sounds so much like the ambient section of a Babylon 5 score that I keep expecting to hear the Berlin Symphonic Film Orchestra pop in. Track 2 seems original enough (inspired by TD, but not cloned from 1975 tape splicings and grown in a digital medium...). This is actually a pretty nice track, complete with driving sequences, hard-edge synth leads, and just enough ambience to send you right out into another dimension. It ends in a nice little melody that sits you gently back down so as not to hurt yourself. Well done! Track 3 is pretty unique, but a little short. It sounds a little like you'd expect a carousel to sound if it were in 'The Red Room' from _Twin Peaks_... Now we come to Rubycon's other, younger, illegitimate siamese twin brother: Blueshift. This one is dressed up a bit more, with some nice Dr. Who FX added here and there, and a bit of real melody thrown in. Then there's the big surprise. The track ends after around 22 minutes. Or does it? There's a faint heartbeat for the next EIGHT MINUTES. And then in good 'Ferris Beuhler' fashion, the music comes back in and says 'You're still here?!?!'. The piece ends with a nice little melody that sounds like something classical, familiar, but unplaceable... anybody know what this is? Regardless of my poking fun at the 'sincerest form of flattery' on the Redshift album, I still found listening to it to be a quite enjoyable experience. Enough so that I'm listening through it again! James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32741 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Antonio Nunes Thu 3/14/2002 3 KB 32745 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Gustavo Jobim Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32746 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift atye@a... Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32758 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Simon Pride Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32759 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift theta2.geo Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32762 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Paul Lawler Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32770 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Wade Gordon Fri 3/15/2002 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream Dale, There's a really nice Tower down in Long Beach that you might check. (I used to live in Long Beach). James > -----Original Message----- > I believe I have a copy of this too. I will check into it > when I return home > to see. Also bought at Tower Records, either in Hollywood or Reno. > > dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream so did I , a while back.. I live in Lancaster now. Have not been to a Tower in ages. I get most of my disks at Wherehoue or B&N. Otherwise I just order off the net. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream > Dale, > > There's a really nice Tower down in Long Beach that you might check. (I > used to live in Long Beach). > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > I believe I have a copy of this too. I will check into it > > when I return home > > to see. Also bought at Tower Records, either in Hollywood or Reno. > > > > dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift 'Owens, James' wrote: > > Track 3 is pretty unique, but a little short. It sounds a little like you'd > expect a carousel to sound if it were in 'The Red Room' from _Twin Peaks_... The beginning of this track reminds me 'Sunset Drive' from Wavelength. > Regardless of my poking fun at the 'sincerest form of flattery' on the > Redshift album, I still found listening to it to be a quite enjoyable > experience. Enough so that I'm listening through it again! Unfortunately this Redshift CD is out of print since long time. Last year mp3.com made available a 'DAM' version of this album, and that's how I got it. But now, after reading your review, I see that the final part of the last track (heartbeat and the rest) was omitted on the DAM(N) version. If anyone wants to hear excerpts of this album, go to http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/184/redshift_uk.html Being there, listen also to excerpts of their second and third albums (Ether and Down Time). From their 3 albums, Ether is my favorite. Antonio np: Redshift - Redshift DAM CD (apparently out of print too) From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 11:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' >I live in Lancaster now. Remind me again--are you in the middle of nowhere or can you just see it from there? :) --T (in a lettuce field) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream well Edwards AFB, which is due north, is nowhere, but I can't see it for the hills in the way so the answer would be no to both. Then again my day job is in Tehachapi. If you was to ask me about that I say yea nowhere. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute to Tangerine Dream > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > > >I live in Lancaster now. > > Remind me again--are you in the middle of nowhere or can you just see it > from there? > > :) > > --T (in a lettuce field) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'gyedid01' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > > Spacious synthesizers (Arp 2600, ARP analog sequencer, > > ARP Odyssey, Mini Moog, Mellotron) > > > (snip) > > > > This cd is very reminiscent of the 'Melrose', 'Le > > Parc' > > era. > > Now that is a mystery to me! > How can this CD sound like Melrose if they used > these instruments??? It's impossible. Well, putting sax tapes into the Mellotron would be a start ;) The synth sounds may not be Melrose-like, but the style of the music might be. (not that I'd know, not having heard this disc either) > Marcel Gabe From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 3:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Ah, I've heard two of their albums (in mp3), not sure which ones.. They sounded SO Rubycon to me that I couldn't listen anymore. I just wasnt interested. GJ np. KS The Big Fall (very good as KS usually is) >Just borrowed Redshift from a friend and thought I'd give it a few words >here after my first hearing: Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: atye@a... Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 3:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift I have both of the first two Redshift CD's ..... and I actually purchased them new !! Got them from an online store a couple of years back after hearing samples on their website. Did a web search for TD and came across them. Anyway, I think they are great, but are a bit slow at times. I would recommend to anyone that hasn't heard them, give them a try. While we're on the subject of TD sound-a-likes ..... what is everyone's feeling about Arcane ?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32758 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift Simon Pride Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32759 Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift theta2.geo Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream The disk I have is Tangerine Ambience - A Tribute to Tangerine Dream. 1996 Hypnotic Records Is this the same one? Dale From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:52 am Subject: Inferno CD WEB Edition + Force Majeure From: > on the WEB CD EDition I missed an barcode on it, I cant found it. > > But the normal Street Release in June has this inside. This is the first Difference to the WEB EDITION. The non-Web edition will have a barcode and may even be released on another label, so I recommend that the collectors get theirs soon... Also, I just learned last week that the term 'Force Majeure' means 'Excusable Delay' in the business contracts world. So was the initial release of Force Majeure released on time and if not, what was the excusable delay? :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32753 Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition + Force Majeure gmroger Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32757 Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition + Force Majeure Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 6:25 am Subject: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release It looks like the Okefenokee Dreams CD recorded in 2001 is finally a reality! The official release date is 16th March (ie. the Alpha Centauri festival this Saturday). I will let you know as soon as I have a link to point you to a sales source or for additional release information. I will have the CDs for sale in April and at the Ricochet Gathering at Okefenokee Swamp from April 19-23. I will also have Inferno CDs and the new Jerome 12' release too for sale. The prices for these items are still TBD, but I thought I'd give you a heads-up notice for those that would like to have these items shipped in the USA. As for the Okefenokee Gathering, I have two spots left, so let me know if you wish to attend this wonderful and unusual electronic music event. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32763 Re: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Wade Gordon Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32765 Re: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Antonio Nunes Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32773 Re: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Kees Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32767 Re: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release vic rek Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. > Whatever it sounds like,or whatever the outstanding TD sound like,i > have never heard a concert like the Albert hall in 75,pretenders have > come,and pretenders have gone,but lets get SERIOUS Tangerine Dream > are the GREATEST of all time. Well, I guess you will be happy to know that for the next round of the 'tree' project we plan to include this recording (London Royal Albert Hall April 2, 1975). The source is a CDR copy taken directly from the original BBC master tape, and the fabulous last 8-9 minutes of the first track (which weren't broadcasted, as you know there was a fade out after 61 minutes) are also from audience master tape. I was told that the version has already been finished, and that it's second to none. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32754 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Gustavo Jobim Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 8:55 am Subject: Inferno CD - first impressions I'm listening to the new 'Inferno' CD right now on the Discman (Inferno would also be an apt title for the mountain of work which is lying right in front of me on my office desk now.... ~lol~) By now I heard the audience recording of this show so many times that I can't bring up the right enthusiasm for Tangerine Dream's new release, but I tell you what: apart from some minor differences the music is basically the same, nothing has been replaced, left off or added. I guess Edgar didn't want to change the music that much because he knew it was good right from the beginning ;-) Maybe a few overdubs here and then (most noticeably in the part where Iris Kulterer is singing), but I can see nothing that spoils the fun (like in 'Sohoman' or 'Soundmill Navigator', IMO) Janey Klimek's vocals must have been partly re-recorded because I heard some different phrasings in the first track, I remember that she did it a bit different in Bernau last October. I really think here Edgar has found the perfect female singer for his Opus Magnum, her voice fits like a glove :-) This is an excellent CD which should please almost every TD fan (well, apart from the 'everything-TD-did-after-Schmoelling-left-was-crap' ones of course ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32764 Re: Inferno CD - first impressions moxica@m... Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 33015 Re: Inferno CD - first impressions Joe Shoults Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33036 Re: Inferno CD - first impressions Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'albenson' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Our esteemed Tadream 'td_freak' tree concert maestro wrote (try saying that ten times really fast! ~ROFL~): > Well, I guess you will be happy to know that for > the next round of the 'tree' project we plan to > include this recording (London Royal Albert Hall > April 2, 1975). The source is a CDR copy taken > directly from the original BBC master tape, and > the fabulous last 8-9 minutes of the first track > (which weren't broadcasted, as you know there > was a fade out after 61 minutes) are also from > audience master tape. I was told that the version > has already been finished, and that it's second to > none. > Heiko '...second to none...' I can get *use* to that! ~lol~ Probably, the Berlin Internationales Congress Centrum, November 15, 1982 is the TD ~live~ concert for which I've heard the most upgrades (seven by my last count). Having finally stopped only when 'Logostype' came out (thanks Peter wherever you are! :-) However, this one is a pure TD classic ~bar none~ and which I proudly put in my TD top ten ~live~ concerts of all time... That second set and encore just totally slay me... BTW: the 'chopping sticks' part of the first set ain't bad either... :^) Colin put the TD nail on the proverbial diehard head when he started all this off with: >> <<'...but lets get SERIOUS Tangerine Dream >> are the GREATEST of all time...'>> Of *that* -- I have *no* doubt... Best Always, -- Al (the TD's pal) (Berkeley, CA / USA) http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html NP: What else? RAH (02.04.75) TD ~live~ uncut, unblemished and untouched... God only knows how many times I've heard it... Sheesh! Even hate to think how many hours I've logged in listening to TD ~live~ in 1976 too! ~lol~ They are, after all, simply the best! ;-) ************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From: 'gmroger' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:21 am Subject: Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition + Force Majeure --- In tadream@y..., 'vic rek' wrote: > Also, I just learned last week that the term 'Force Majeure' means > 'Excusable Delay' in the business contracts world. So was the initial > release of Force Majeure released on time and if not, what was the excusable > delay? :-) > > Vic 'Force Majeure' was certainly delayed - it had already been assigned a catalogue number and release date for November 1978, but for whatever reason, was released in March the following year. One reason could be that as 'FM' was perhaps recorded in a hurry (to repair the damage, in Edgar's opinion, of 'Cyclone', Edgar & Chris may not have been particularly satisfied with the result. Second possible reason/theory: Too soon after 'Cyclone'. But the third could well have been a release that clashed with another major Virgin release at the time. After all, Virgin were sufficently worried that 'Cyclone' could have hit sales of 'Never Mind The Bollocks', which was released around the same time... These are my theories, they are mine, they belong to me and I own them, and what they are too... :-) Roger Hartopp From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:54 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Just confirming, that recording is known as Coefficient of Aural Expansion/Ruby in the Sky, isn't it? That is indeed a fascinating concert. > Well, I guess you will be happy to know that for the next round of the 'tree' project we plan to include this recording (London Royal Albert Hall April 2, 1975). From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. > Just confirming, that recording is known as Coefficient of Aural > Expansion/Ruby in the Sky, isn't it? That is indeed a fascinating concert. you're right (it's also known as CoAE/Ruby in the sky, and yes it's a fascinating concert) > > Well, I guess you will be happy to know that for the next round of the 'tree' project we plan to include this recording (London Royal Albert Hall April 2, 1975). From: 'albenson' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Gustavo (one of very own T-tree artwork masters) wrote: > Just confirming, that recording is known as > Coefficient of Aural Expansion/Ruby in the > Sky, isn't it? That is indeed a fascinating > concert. Bingo! :-))) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html SP: 'So, would you welcome please -- Tangerine Dream!' RAH (04.02.75) Set one... PS: Private joke for Heiko: > you're right (it's also known as CoAE/Ruby > in the sky, and yes it's a fascinating concert) Not 'fascinating' -- *Mesmerizing!* ;-) *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Inferno CD WEB Edition + Force Majeure > > Also, I just learned last week that the term 'Force Majeure' means > > 'Excusable Delay' in the business contracts world. The term is used in contracts because in reality it means 'major force' or 'major power'. In contracts, that means things like war, disasters of nature (floods, storms etc), earthquakes, fire, etc. I suspect however, that the words Force Majeure was used on the album not because it was delayed, but because it sounds cool and means a force you cannot stop. Glenn From: 'Simon Pride' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift > -----Original Message----- > From: atye@a... [mailto:atye@a...] > Sent: 15 March 2002 03:23 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift > > > While we're on the subject of TD sound-a-likes ..... what is > everyone's > feeling about Arcane ?? Well, Paul [Lawler] deliberately set out to recreate the feel of late 70s and early 80s TD (using samplers, BTW, not analog/vintage synths) and has succeeded perfectly. IMHO there were too few Schmoelling era TD albums, and these go a long way towards filling the gap. From: 'theta2.geo' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift > While we're on the subject of TD sound-a-likes ..... what is everyone's > feeling about Arcane ?? There's a CD from Arcane called 'Alterstill'. 'Alter, still!' is German and means 'Old man, be quiet!'. Which old man does Arcane mean to be quiet??? Have a guess... ;-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: [tree] update delayed until tomorrow I updated a lot of 'got my disks' reports last night, but didn't get around to loading the data, so the completed deliveries data on the tree tables will be inaccurate until tonight. joe From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: Bilbao art request I know I asked for this before and someone kindly guided me to their site where I copied it from. Unfortunately, I deleted it from my HD before checking I had printed it the right size (not very clever). I'd be grateful if someone could guide me to the art again. Thanks Toby From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift ----- Original Message ----- From: theta2.geo To: Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift > > While we're on the subject of TD sound-a-likes ..... what is > everyone's > > feeling about Arcane ?? > > There's a CD from Arcane called 'Alterstill'. > 'Alter, still!' is German and means 'Old man, be quiet!'. > Which old man does Arcane mean to be quiet??? > > Have a guess... > ;-) I only just found out what the translation meant last tuesday (thanks to Andreas :) ) so before Edgars loyal fans sharpen their knives, I`m truly innocent on this one . I got the title(or should I say my brother did) from a book that kind of indexes old sci-fi books and films. I couldn`t help seeing the funny side of it though ;) kind of wish I`d thought of it . Paul From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Vic, That is just fantastic that it is finally coming out. Is the c.d. coming out on Groove Unlimited? And where can I buy one? Oh, and by the way my book is doing just great! Wade --- vic rek wrote: > It looks like the Okefenokee Dreams CD recorded in > 2001 is finally a > reality! > > The official release date is 16th March (ie. the > Alpha Centauri festival > this Saturday). > > I will let you know as soon as I have a link to > point you to a sales source > or for additional release information. > > I will have the CDs for sale in April and at the > Ricochet Gathering at > Okefenokee Swamp from April 19-23. > I will also have Inferno CDs and the new Jerome 12' > release too for sale. > The prices for these items are still TBD, but I > thought I'd give you a > heads-up notice for those that would like to have > these items shipped in the > USA. > > As for the Okefenokee Gathering, I have two spots > left, so let me know if > you wish to attend this wonderful and unusual > electronic music event. > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From: Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD - first impressions tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > I'm listening to the new 'Inferno' CD right now on the Discman By now I heard the audience recording of this show so many times that I can't bring up the right enthusiasm for Tangerine Dream's new release Ha! I stopped listening to my copy several months ago for this very reason. I wanted the first listening experience to be fresh! When DM3 came out, I was already very familiar with 80% of the album, so it didn't seem so 'new' to me. (For the same reason, I'm not watching my copy of 'Legend' again until the DVD comes out...) - jim From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Wade Gordon wrote: > > Vic, > > That is just fantastic that it is finally coming out. > Is the c.d. coming out on Groove Unlimited? And where > can I buy one? Copy-paste from the Groove catalogue: Free System Projekt OKEFENOKEE DREAMS 2001 (CD) 23985 / € 15.99 2002. Follow-up to the successful part 1 Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32773 Re: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Kees Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree Hi all, Just got my discs, printed off the covers and arranged them on the shelf... Cool :-) Thanks to everyone who was involved, a great success. Now where's my Dreamwatcher's Tales II coming from... Paul From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release Neu Harmony/Quantum is releasing the CD. I will have them for sale after the Okefenokee 2002 event. Vic http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release > > > Wade Gordon wrote: > > > > Vic, > > > > That is just fantastic that it is finally coming out. > > Is the c.d. coming out on Groove Unlimited? And where > > can I buy one? > > Copy-paste from the Groove catalogue: > > Free System Projekt > OKEFENOKEE DREAMS 2001 (CD) 23985 / ? 15.99 > 2002. Follow-up to the successful part 1 > > Antonio > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: [tree] Washington, DC 1977 Well, I just got ahold of Washington, DC 1977 of the Tangerine Tree and I am going to be cautiously honest here. I have a copy of the source used for the TT version (Digital Tape Tree 16+17) and I have to tell you, warts and all, I prefer it to the equalization that's been done to the Tangerine Tree version. The problem is, once something has been recorded without Dolby or dbx Noise Reduction, it is usually impossible to remove the tape hiss without hurting the all-important treble response. And that is exactly what has happened here. Even official TD releases like the SBM of Logos have quite a bit of tape hiss and there's just nothing we can do about it. I tried removing the tape hiss on Logos when working on a project and lost significant frequency response in the treble range. And I have to say that the tape hiss removal on Lisner 1977 was heavy-handed and we've lost just too much treble. It is a shame really because the tape hiss on this otherwise wonderful FM recording of the concert from which much of Encore is derived is pretty nasty. I will make both the EQed and original versions of this particular recording available to my leaves. 1976-06-27 Berlin Philharmonie is still awesome on a subsequent listen. TD could release this. 1976 Nottingham is mind-blowing! I agree with Heiko that this is the best recording in the set. It's crisp. There is a bit of distortion in the process of sharpening the treble but it's worth it to have the clarity. Bilbao 76 looks to be pretty much a verbatim copy of the excellent bootleg that appeared out of the ether last year. I don't what work has been done on it, but it must be very subtle. This is just a fun concert to listen to. 1974 Sheffield is quite clear considering the vintage. All the tape hiss has been removed ala Washington, DC but not nearly as much treble response was lost (since there wasn't that much to lose in the first place--the bootleg lacked it). 1983 Fassbinder I've already weighed in. Somehow I already had the source for this bootleg (from Klaus presumably :) ), but it seems subtly improved. This is an excellent set and I am really looking forward to the next set. This is a great day for fans of Tangerine Dream who get to hear near-studio quality versions of things they may or may not have heard before. I haven't got Croydon 75 yet, but I'll weigh in on that when I get it. (much to the chagrin of the list I'm sure :)) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32769 Re: [tree] Washington, DC 1977 vic rek Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32807 Re: [tree] Washington, DC 1977 Heiko Heerssen Mon 3/18/2002 4 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Washington, DC 1977 From: Morgan Feldon > I have a copy of the source used for the TT version (Digital Tape Tree > 16+17) and I have to tell you, warts and all, I prefer it to the > equalization that's been done to the Tangerine Tree version. The problem > is, once something has been recorded without Dolby or dbx Noise Reduction, > it is usually impossible to remove the tape hiss without hurting the > all-important treble response. And that is exactly what has happened here. The hiss never bothered me. Funny how some will settle for no hiss, but lesser 'true quality' of the music. Give me the warts and all! But I'll take the new ones too (to compare) just in case :-) I also noticed that there are some CD-Rs floating around music from TD soundtracks with the dialogue removed (i.e. Red Nights) - these sound pretty good, in relative terms to what you have to work with. Vic From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Oneshift, Twoshift, Redshift, Blueshift James, I came in late, what project are you talking about? Wade --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > Just borrowed Redshift from a friend and thought I'd > give it a few words > here after my first hearing: > > For the first 15 minutes of track 1 I could have > been listening to Rubycon > side 3 (from the totally fictional Rubycon > double-LP). The rest of the > track sounds so much like the ambient section of a > Babylon 5 score that I > keep expecting to hear the Berlin Symphonic Film > Orchestra pop in. > > Track 2 seems original enough (inspired by TD, but > not cloned from 1975 tape > splicings and grown in a digital medium...). This > is actually a pretty nice > track, complete with driving sequences, hard-edge > synth leads, and just > enough ambience to send you right out into another > dimension. It ends in a > nice little melody that sits you gently back down so > as not to hurt > yourself. Well done! > > Track 3 is pretty unique, but a little short. It > sounds a little like you'd > expect a carousel to sound if it were in 'The Red > Room' from _Twin Peaks_... > > Now we come to Rubycon's other, younger, > illegitimate siamese twin brother: > Blueshift. This one is dressed up a bit more, with > some nice Dr. Who FX > added here and there, and a bit of real melody > thrown in. Then there's the > big surprise. The track ends after around 22 > minutes. Or does it? There's > a faint heartbeat for the next EIGHT MINUTES. And > then in good 'Ferris > Beuhler' fashion, the music comes back in and says > 'You're still here?!?!'. > The piece ends with a nice little melody that sounds > like something > classical, familiar, but unplaceable... anybody > know what this is? > > Regardless of my poking fun at the 'sincerest form > of flattery' on the > Redshift album, I still found listening to it to be > a quite enjoyable > experience. Enough so that I'm listening through it > again! > > James > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:46 pm Subject: soundtracks Are you sure these have the dialogue removed, or were they taken from 'blank prints' of the film (The 'no-dialogue' print of a film that is sent to foreign markets for overdubbing). I'm not sure these are available for all films, but if you can get one for Red Nights, etc., I'm sure someone has gotten his hands on it by now, and promptly recorded it to digital. I've got several Vangelis soundtracks done this way. Of course these prints have all sound effects intact, so you'd still not have an isolated music track, but it's better than nothing... James > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > > I also noticed that there are some CD-Rs floating around music from TD > soundtracks with the dialogue removed (i.e. Red Nights) - > these sound pretty > good, in relative terms to what you have to work with. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] soundtracks That Blade Runner one is cool! While we're on the subject, does anybody have a laserdisk or DVD for 'The Soldier'? I know it's probably not even out on DVD, but I'm prety sure it is on LaserDisk. > -----Original Message----- > Are you sure these have the dialogue removed, or were they > taken from 'blank > prints' of the film (The 'no-dialogue' print of a film that is sent to .. > got several Vangelis soundtracks done this way. Of course From: Kees Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD Release At 15:35 15-3-02 +0000, you wrote: >Wade Gordon wrote: > > > > Vic, > > > > That is just fantastic that it is finally coming out. > > Is the c.d. coming out on Groove Unlimited? And where > > can I buy one? > >Copy-paste from the Groove catalogue: > >Free System Projekt >OKEFENOKEE DREAMS 2001 (CD) 23985 / € 15.99 > 2002. Follow-up to the successful part 1 And tomorrow I'll pick up the copies. :-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Electronic music http://www.groove.nl ---> Web design http://www.a-biz.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'albenson' Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 12:17 am Subject: RE: [tadream] soundtracks On the subject of doing nothing special on a lazy Friday afternoon... ~lol~ The subject thread of 'soundtracks' came up and I just wanted to make a few brief comments... Armin wrote a very long time ago (message 7817!): > I agree - Sorcerer and Near Dark belong to my most > often played Soundtracks (together with Firestarter). > > Wavelength is cool too, but I don't like it that much. > Deadly Care - you're not missing anything. > Heartbreakers - some cool, and some crappy pop > pieces. But the track 'Desire' is a *must*. > > armin I've got to *second* that 'Desire' track eight from Heartbreakers... For me it was the TD soundtracks ('Sorcerer & Risky Business') where I caught my first glimpse and listen to the electronic genius's from Germany otherwise known as ~Tangerine Dream!~ James then popped in (back to current time) responding to something that Vic mentioned: Vic wrote: >> I also noticed that there are some CD-Rs floating around >> music from TD soundtracks with the dialogue removed >> (i.e. Red Nights) - these sound pretty good, in relative >> terms to what you have to work with. >> Vic Ain't *that* the truth! ;-) And, then James wrote: > Are you sure these have the dialogue removed, or > were they taken from 'blank prints' of the film (The > 'no-dialogue' print of a film that is sent to foreign > markets for overdubbing). I'm not sure these are > available for all films, but if you can get one for > Red Nights, etc., I'm sure someone has gotten his > hands on it by now, and promptly recorded it to > digital. I've got several Vangelis soundtracks done > this way. Of course these prints have all sound > effects intact, so you'd still not have an isolated > music track, but it's better than nothing... > > James And, then our fearless leader Joe states: > That Blade Runner one is cool! > While we're on the subject, does anybody have a > laserdisk or DVD for 'The Soldier'? I know it's > probably not even out on DVD, but I'm prety sure > it is on LaserDisk. It's the first point ('Blade Runner') that I actually wanted to address. BTW: Joe -- I've never seen this one ('The Solider' directed by James Glickenhauss, Embassy Pictures, USA 1982, rt: 96 minutes) on LD only on VHS -- both Columbia TriStar and MGM have it to name two -- I'd love to stand and be corrected :-). Some time back while bidding on eBay ~lol~ I ran into a Vangelis collector. His VC was in the 2,000 plus range. Anyway, I was watching very carefully this 'Vangelis' special CD auction (checked it and the URL link is still valid with all the cover artwork intact) that occurred quite recently: Japan Special Edition 'BLADE RUNNER' DeckArt Vangelis CD: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1497639707&r=0&t=0&showTutori\ al=0&ed=1008998039&indexURL=0&rd=1 Check out the bidding frenzy during the last minute of play... Sheesh! I'm really glad the TD diehard stuff isn't this bad (yet) on eBay. No further comment is necessary... Best Always, -- Al (the TD's pal) Berkeley, CA / USA http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html NP: Something TD rare, something TD old... **************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'albenson' Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 12:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] soundtracks Hehehe... Let's try that eBay URL 'Blade Runner' link again. Just using 'paste & scrap' should (hopefully) also work. If the full link isn't hyperlinked this time, then perhaps one our knowledgeable Tadream members can clue me in on the secret! :-) Japan Special Edition 'BLADE RUNNER' DeckArt Vangelis CD: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1497639707&r=0&t=0&showTutori\ al=0&ed=1008998039&indexURL=0&rd=1 Regards, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA NP: 'Desire' from 'Heartbreakers' OST by Tangerine Dream. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: atye@a... Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 2:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Blade Runner OST on eBay Japan Special Edition 'BLADE RUNNER' DeckArt Vangelis CD: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1497639707&r=0&t=0& showTutorial=0&ed=1008998039&indexURL=0&rd=1 Hell, at that price ($911.00 US), you could use 'em for coasters. ;-) ATYE From: 'winnietiggerfan' Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 4:33 am Subject: Your mails If you've sent me e-mails in the last FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, please re-send it. Thanks, sorry for the wasted bandwidth. I HOPE that this crap stops here, and I can actually get this computer WORKING. Makes you want to do drugs. OR maybe more than you're doing! dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - Live Online!!! http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com Live Concert CDR Bootleg Trading Praize/AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN winnietiggerfan@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: [tadream] Rgh, I missed it. ..I just found out that Shy People was broadcast on a local TV channel (YLE TV 1) yesterday evening and didn't know it until now. :-( Plus that my mother & sister watched it (I didn't) and they said it was quite good.. I should've read the quadrannual 'Movies to be broadcast this spring(/summer/autumn/winter)' attendum in the local paper more carefully this year. Did any of you other Finns on the list catch it? I don't know if there was a point in this message, but I suppose you can stand it... John Vertical np: Tangram Set 1 more specifically, that annoying section @ 7 minutes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32804 Re: Rgh, I missed it. TheInfection Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 6:45 pm Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree updates posted 16 March There have been some new assignments and updates. I will probably keep these URLS for future updates: Tree Level by Alpha Name http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm Alpha Name http://www.tadream.net/tree/AlphaName.htm Country by Alpha Name http://www.tadream.net/tree/CountryByAlphaName.htm Descendants by Alpha Name http://www.tadream.net/tree/DescendantsByAlphaName.htm Descendants By Alpha Name & Tree Level http://www.tadream.net/tree/DescendantsByAlphaNameTreeLevel.htm Status by Alpha Name http://www.tadream.net/tree/StatusByAlphaName.htm Sortable with Excel ActiveX Component http://www.tadream.net/tree/AlphaName-RequiresActiveX-Sortable.htm Joe From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: [tadream] Ripoff I see that someone is making a fast buck out of a dodgy recording of the Shepherd's Bush concert on e-bay at the moment, how do they get away with it? More importantly, why have 3 different people bid for it? All they need to do is ask, how many people on this list don't have a copy of this already anyway? Just thought I'd have a rant because things are pretty quiet at the moment... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32785 Re: Ripoff Michael A Jean Sun 3/17/2002 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 5:40 am Subject: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert It's probably already been mentioned by someone on the list, but I assume that the first disc in the 'Tangerine Tree' project (Nottingham, 1976) is the same -- or much of it anyway -- as the bootleg 'Me Rad'. According to Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance', the venue for the 'Me Rad' concert (November 8th, 1976) was the Usher Hall, whereas the artwork for disc one of the 'Tree' project states the Albert Hall. Which is correct? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32783 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Paul Fellows Sun 3/17/2002 3 KB 32796 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert John Marchington Mon 3/18/2002 4 KB 32822 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert syensen Tue 3/19/2002 5 KB 32809 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert braddito Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32825 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32826 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Dennis Nigbur Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32860 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert richter_arne Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB 32861 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: FW: OT: Dalvey UK help I was wondering if someone in the UK could check a local shop for the cost of a DALVEY Travel Pouch (small). I wanted to get one, but Dalvey would charge me over 6 pounds to ship something that weighs a few ounces. If anyone can offer a better deal, please let me know. Regards, Michael A. Jean From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert le 17/03/02 6:40, John Marchington à johnm@p... a écrit : > It's probably already been mentioned by someone on the list, but I assume > that the first disc in the 'Tangerine Tree' project (Nottingham, 1976) is > the same -- or much of it anyway -- as the bootleg 'Me Rad'. According to > Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance', the venue for the 'Me Rad' concert > (November 8th, 1976) was the Usher Hall, whereas the artwork for disc one > of the 'Tree' project states the Albert Hall. Which is correct? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > On the cover of the first tree CD it states that 'this replaces Me-rad'. The correct venue name can be found on my concert pages (corrected by a fan who actually lives in Nottingham and who was at the concert at the time) http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html Hope this helps Paul From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: The Keep (Orange records) and Reims 1974 Pretty desperate, to quote my own posting: >And yet another one, 'The Keep' on 'Orange Records', a pirate of the >TDI010CD, plus four more Keep-style tracks lifted from other CDs >(South Camora,Moorland, Silver Scale and Logos) but I remember when announcement of a new Keep CD caused much more reactions than this one. Does everybody already have it, and it's just me who missed it ? I finally found the time to listen through all 'Reims 1974' tapes. Someone did a helluva job to scramble them all, but, the short version is: 'Live Improvised' is the complete concert in the right order. The so-called 'first encore' is an excerpt from it, actually a preview for the full radio broadcast, with an announcer. All the other stuff is mixed-up, sped-up snippets of the full thing. best regards, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32924 Re: The Keep (Orange records) Paul Fellows Sun 3/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 8:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ripoff http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=851232152 Here is another oddity, placing a ROCKOON track in the 1960s! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:43 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Ripoff > > > I see that someone is making a fast buck out of a dodgy recording of the > Shepherd's Bush concert on e-bay at the moment, how do they get away with > it? More importantly, why have 3 different people bid for it? All they > need to do is ask, how many people on this list don't have a copy of this > already anyway? > > Just thought I'd have a rant because things are pretty quiet at the > moment... > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: [tree] Nottingham 76 >From: 'John Marchington' > >It's probably already been mentioned by someone on the list, but I assume >that the first disc in the 'Tangerine Tree' project (Nottingham, 1976) is >the same -- or much of it anyway -- as the bootleg 'Me Rad'. Nottingham 76 on the Tree is musically identical to Me-Rad and replaces it. I compared them and then deleted Me-Rad. >According to >Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance', the venue for the 'Me Rad' concert >(November 8th, 1976) was the Usher Hall, whereas the artwork for disc one >of the 'Tree' project states the Albert Hall. Which is correct? Paul Fellows' page shows a new annotation (I'm assuming anything marked in purple is new) of Albert Hall for this show: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html Hmmm..... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 4:28 am Subject: Inferno Libretto? Are the lyrics included in the booklet? Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32797 AW: [tadream] Inferno Libretto? H. Mon 3/18/2002 3 KB 32798 Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32811 AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release H. Mon 3/18/2002 4 KB 32812 Re: AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/releas Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream I also have this disk but also Tangerine Ambience Vol II which follows the same format as Vol I and is also on the Hypnotic label but purports to be 100% analog (sic ). Phil From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:21 pm Subject: [bootleg] 1974 Reims >Klaus Beschorner said: > >I finally found the time to listen through all 'Reims 1974' >tapes. Someone did a helluva job to scramble them all, but, >the short version is: 'Live Improvised' is the complete >concert in the right order. The so-called 'first encore' >is an excerpt from it, actually a preview for the full >radio broadcast, with an announcer. All the other stuff >is mixed-up, sped-up snippets of the full thing. Thanks for weighing in on this. I'm part of the new generation of people who get their TD concerts as mp3 files. It's a blessing and a curse. A blessing because our collections are considerably less expensive to build (much to the chagrin of Tangerine Dream fans who have spent thousands and actually have a line item on their monthly budget dedicated to TD). A curse because if you thought labeling of bootlegs was bad, wait til you see a file marked 'RARE UNRELEASED blah blah' and it could be something totally different than what it says. It's like dealing in cassettes all over again. The only cost to an mp3 collector is high-speed Internet and bigger hard drives, and sanity. :) By dealing with mp3s, I'm sure a lot of it is 3rd and 4th generation copies or copied off of a tape of a CDR from the bootleg CD from vinyl. OUCH. When I am dealing with mp3s, I spend a lot of time and effort labeling them properly and putting a notes.txt file in each folder if possible to try to clear up any confusion. Note that notes about quality below refer to the versions *I have*. It is common for me to have something that is lower quality than its namesake. Also, since we already have these digital files on our computers, it is common to get something that has been filtered/EQed. Sometimes the filtering and equalization is done well, sometimes it's done with disastrous results. It goes with the territory of dealing with digital files. Some examples of the madness... ========== 1968.09.29 Essen, Germany Song Tage (Rot Weiss) I received an mp3 labeled 1972.06.22 Cologne Part 2 In fact, it's a better-sounding, pitch adjusted excerpt of Essenger Song Tage above. I wonder if either of these are the 'best quality available' and if so, if it's worth the trouble of blending the two in Sound Forge and producing a well-labeled CDR. ========== ========== 1974.09.13 still appears as December 13 from time-to-time on various lists. ========== ========== 1975.08.16 Festival Pop D' Orange (Paris) is identical to, but seems better quality than Oranges from France and supposed to be identical to Seekers of Dreams (although the track times are wildly different). ========== ========== 1976.02.09 Jenson, Brussels has had myriad releases with various dates (such as Feb 2nd) and various qualities including as two complete sets, etc. So far, the clearest version I have is: Danger: Live! 1 Set 1=39:32 and then what is labeled Danger: Live! 2 but seems to have been replaced with more complete versions of the music. So it's not really Danger: Live! 2 but must be a dub of a low-generation cassette... my Set 2 is 9:09, 1:27, 9:01, 21:13 Tracks 1-3 loosely match track times on Danger: Live! Part I (9:11, 2:28, 8:40) I can confirm that the 21:13 track, which does not appear on Danger: Live 2 is a continuation of the 9:01 track. There's a quick fade down/up between tracks 3 and 4. my Encore is 3:28, 7:57, 4:04 Tracks 1-3 loosely match track times on Danger: Live! 2 Part II (3:30, 7:59, 4:09) =========== =========== The mystery of Three Tier Dream Disc 1 'Analogue Days' (June 7th?) will be resolved when we get London 1976.06.07, hopefully in Tangerine Tree 2. =========== =========== 1976 'Waiter on the Dance' Manchester 47:31 Can anyone confirm if this is Nov 15 or June 5? It sounds more like a June concert than a November concert to my ears. =========== =========== 1976.11.13 'Leeds' and 'Flying Towards Your Future' Both versions are horrid, but FTYF sounds like a 2nd gen cassette copy of Leeds. So I have deleted all of FTYF except the Encore, which is the only thing 'Leeds' doesn't have in better quality. =========== =========== 1976.11.22 Paris Palais du Sport I've compared exhaustively and come to the conclusion that my two recordings together make for a complete concert in the highest quality available to me for now (an excerpt of this concert in incredible quality is slated to come with a future Tangerine Tree): I seem to have gotten this first (calling it Source A): November 22, 1976 Palais du Sport, Paris, France Set II [ 1.0] 35:00 Track 1 [ 2.0] 9:50 Track 2 [ 3.0] 3:36 Track 2 (conclusion) [ 4.0] 12:45 Track 3 as listed on James Owens website. and then more recently got a complete version of the concert in lower quality and lower pitch. I will call this Source B. When combined, I end up with this version of the whole concert: Set 1 pt 1 21:35 (source B) Set 1 pt 2 25:13 (source B) Set 2 pt 1 35:36 (source A) Set 2 pt 2 9:51 (source A) Set 2 pt 3 3:40 (source A) Encore 1 15:15 (source B) Encore 2 12:45 (source A) Fun! =========== And here is a list of bootlegs that I have classified obsolete, since they have been replaced with more complete recordings: 1977.04.09 Montreal Place des Arts (Patrolling Space Borders) -- I actually keep this on hand due to the better quality than the full CHOM-FM recording I have 1977.04.04 Washington DC (Strange Mandarin) replaced by Digital Tape Trees 16+17, plus the encore from Real Dream Encores 1977.03.31 Detroit (Acoustic LSD, The Emerald Beyond) replaced by Snackbar Dreamer in Detroit 1976.11.13 Leeds (Flying Towards Your Future) replaced by a full recording, except the encore 1976.11.08 Nottingham, UK (Me-Rad, Argonautica Americana #1 and Collected Endings) replaced by Tangerine Tree Volume 1 1976.06.27 Berlin Philharmonie (Danger: Live! Part 1 and, indirectly, Planetary Navigator) replaced by Tangerine Tree Volume 8 1975.08.16 Festival Pop D' Orange (Seekers of Dreams and Oranges From France) 1975.04.02 Royal Albert Hall (Phaedream and Ruby in the Sky and, in the next batch of the Tangerine Tree, Coefficient of Aural Expansion will be replaced by a Stereo FM master tape [coefficient is a Mono BBC master]) 1974.10.29 Sheffield (Collected Concerts) replaced by Tangerine Tree Volume 2 1980.03.31 Berlin Palast Der Republik (Quichotte, Pergamon, Staatsgrenze West) replaced by White Cloths and Beyond the Wall I'm sure I've forgotten a few. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32799 AW: [tadream] [bootleg] 1974 Reims H. Mon 3/18/2002 4 KB From: 'horrod6' Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Arcane (Was Re: Oneshift, etc.) Atye asked 'While we're on the subject of TD sound-a-likes ..... what is everyone's feeling about Arcane ??' I've only heard Future Wreck, but that one is a regular in my CD player. I'd describe it as a light-hearted tribute, it sounds to me like they were having fun playing with borrowed sounds, and building their own stuff around them. I love the spoons! LnH Marion. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32791 Re: Arcane (Was Re: Oneshift, etc.) Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32810 Re: Arcane (Was Re: Oneshift, etc.) Paul Lawler Mon 3/18/2002 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 12:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Arcane (Was Re: Oneshift, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' > I've only heard Future Wreck, but that one is a regular in my CD player. I'd > describe it as a light-hearted tribute, it sounds to me like they were > having fun playing with borrowed sounds, and building their own stuff around > them. I love the spoons! What's this talk about 'they' and 'their'? :-)) Arcane is a one-man band, and the story behind 'them' is fake too. Paul Lawler is the man. I would think he is a member here? Glenn From: Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 1:00 pm Subject: Electrick Loosers #3 Hi, can everybody tell me more about the CD: Electrick Loosers # 3 - The Rheingold Rampage 1964-1970 with The Ones - Lady Greengrass include. It is an official Release, but I cant found an Label only an Number on the CD: BK 7963 or is it an Bootleg ??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 1:21 pm Subject: Radiostation search Hi all, I search Radiostations and program`s which play Music from ASHRA, ASH RA TEMPEL or Manuel Göttsching. I need program name, Station and Frequency, all Radiostations all over the world welcome. Contact me off_list if its possible. Regards heiko neumann (Mr. Optical) www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32795 Radiostation search heiko@o... Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 1:20 pm Subject: Elektrick Looser #3 Hi, can everybody tell me more about the CD: Electrick Loosers # 3 - The Rheingold Rampage 1964-1970 with The Ones - Lady Greengrass include. It is an official Release, but I cant found an Label only an Number on the CD: BK 7963 or is it an Bootleg ??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32800 Re: Elektrick Looser #3 vic rek Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32805 Re: Elektrick Looser #3 heineu Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 1:03 pm Subject: Radiostation search Hi all, I search Radiostations and program`s which play Music from ASHRA, ASH RA TEMPEL or Manuel Göttsching. I need program name, Station and Frequency, all Radiostations all over the world welcome. Contact me off_list if its possible. Regards heiko neumann (Mr. Optical) www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Thanks for that, Paul. It looks as if I should contact Scott Plumer and point out that the error to him so that he can correct it for future issues of 'Mysterious Semblance'. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert le 17/03/02 6:40, John Marchington à johnm@p... a écrit : > It's probably already been mentioned by someone on the list, but I assume > that the first disc in the 'Tangerine Tree' project (Nottingham, 1976) is > the same -- or much of it anyway -- as the bootleg 'Me Rad'. According to > Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance', the venue for the 'Me Rad' concert > (November 8th, 1976) was the Usher Hall, whereas the artwork for disc one > of the 'Tree' project states the Albert Hall. Which is correct? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > On the cover of the first tree CD it states that 'this replaces Me-rad'. The correct venue name can be found on my concert pages (corrected by a fan who actually lives in Nottingham and who was at the concert at the time) http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html Hope this helps Paul ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32822 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert syensen Tue 3/19/2002 5 KB From: 'H.' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 8:53 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Inferno Libretto? The CD booklet does not include any lyrics. -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Marz 2002 05:29 An: Tadreamonelist Betreff: [tadream] Inferno Libretto? Are the lyrics included in the booklet? Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32798 Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32811 AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release H. Mon 3/18/2002 4 KB 32812 Re: AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/releas Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:45 am Subject: Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release No lyrics on the booklet? That's *awful*. I hope the lyrics will at least be included on the official site. Has anyone who has the Tree edition of Inferno got the CD? The question is, the Tree should have the official tracklisting instead of 'part 1-13'... If anyone has both, could they compare the music and put the official names on the unnamed Tree edition tracks? Hello Martin K, I'm not sure if this has been announced already, but does Inferno have a official release date already? >The CD booklet does not include any lyrics. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32811 AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release H. Mon 3/18/2002 4 KB 32812 Re: AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/releas Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: 'H.' Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 11:12 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] [bootleg] 1974 Reims Hi Morgan, i think dealing with MP3s is more a bless than a curse. The mislabelling and mix up is not bound to MP3s. It occurs in the 'classical world' too. Think about bootlegs where each track got a 'fantasy name'. Think about CDs glued into frames with numbered plates on these wall mounts saying no. 1 of 500. (how pervet). Think about the prices of some cds at ebay ( TDI The Keep > $300; vangelis > $900). What ever might find a consumer will be produced - not regarding the degree of perversion necessary to produce it. We, those who collect MP3s, should be happy to get them (nearly) for free (although I try to keep my TD MP3s legal - edgar did you hear it?). The ease of their production also easies the modification and their mislabelling. On the other hand we don't have to spend $30 or $60 for a bootleged version of 'Man Inside' or some other rare recordings. Rare is what me (artificially) make or keep rare in the music scene. Really rare are time and natural ressources. There's nothing easier than reproducing a CD/recording or wall mounting it and giving it a plate :))) Herbert > > Thanks for weighing in on this. > > I'm part of the new generation of people who get their TD > concerts as mp3 > files. > > It's a blessing and a curse. A blessing because our collections are > considerably less expensive to build (much to the chagrin of > Tangerine > Dream fans who have spent thousands and actually have a line > item on their > monthly budget dedicated to TD). A curse because if you > thought labeling of > bootlegs was bad, wait til you see a file marked 'RARE > UNRELEASED blah > blah' and it could be something totally different than what > it says. It's > like dealing in cassettes all over again. The only cost to an > mp3 collector > is high-speed Internet and bigger hard drives, and sanity. :) > > By dealing with mp3s, I'm sure a lot of it is 3rd and 4th > generation copies > or copied off of a tape of a CDR from the bootleg CD from vinyl. OUCH. > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 3:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektrick Looser #3 > can everybody tell me more about the CD: Electrick Loosers # 3 - The Rheingold Rampage 1964-1970 with The Ones - Lady Greengrass include. > It is an official Release, but I cant found an Label only an Number on the CD: BK 7963 or is it an Bootleg ??? > > Regards > heiko Yes, I have this release and it is confusing. I cannot find a label for this release, only the catalog number BK 7963. So this hints to be a bootleg, but I would guess it is an official release. So I really didn't answer the question? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32805 Re: Elektrick Looser #3 heineu Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 5:28 am Subject: [tree] Calling All FTPs hey folks- We can expedite the tree for SHN participants by providing downloads. I have two hosting volunteers already, but we need more. Once I know how many SHN participants have the broadband download capability required to participate in this manner, I'll know how much bandwidth will be required overall. We can distribute that load amongst the hosts. I don't know the file sizes, but I've asked Marcel to reply with the file lists. Does everyone have the same SHN files, BTW? If you can host a file for download, let me know. If you are a SHN participant who has broadband download capability, let me know. not to be elitist about the broadband, but if one of our hosts is willing to leave the ports open for those slow modem downloads, and has resumable server, then we'll let you know. Note: The idea is certainly not to take away from the fun of the trading experience, but to get the American portion of the tree on schedule. Thanks in advance, Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32820 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Admin Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32834 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Marcel Engels Tue 3/19/2002 4 KB 32838 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Joe Shoults Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32846 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs mars103nl Wed 3/20/2002 2 KB 32850 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Joe Shoults Wed 3/20/2002 3 KB 32851 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 3/20/2002 4 KB 32857 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs gkopuy Thu 3/21/2002 5 KB 32879 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs mars103nl Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB 32858 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Admin Thu 3/21/2002 5 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 5:43 am Subject: re Arcane hmm, I think a buddy of mine summed up arcane and airsculpture rather succinctly--'one sounds like TD, the other Klaus Schulze'. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32819 Re: re Arcane Admin Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 6:05 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ripoff sounds like these fans (the bidders) need to know there are alternatives, and sounds like ebay needs to know someone is pirating. any way to find out who the current bidders are? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Fellows To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/17/02 11:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Ripoff I see that someone is making a fast buck out of a dodgy recording of the Shepherd's Bush concert on e-bay at the moment, how do they get away with it? More importantly, why have 3 different people bid for it? All they need to do is ask, how many people on this list don't have a copy of this already anyway? Just thought I'd have a rant because things are pretty quiet at the moment... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32806 Re: Ripoff mike browder Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32815 Re: Ripoff Chris Owen Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB 32816 Re: Ripoff Owens, James Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 6:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rgh, I missed it. --- John Vertical wrote: > ..I just found out that Shy People was broadcast on > a local TV channel (YLE > TV 1) yesterday evening and didn't know it until > now. :-( Plus that my > mother & sister watched it (I didn't) and they said > it was quite good.. > > I should've read the quadrannual 'Movies to > be broadcast this > spring(/summer/autumn/winter)' attendum in the local > paper more carefully > this year. Did any of you other Finns on the list > catch it? > > I don't know if there was a point in this message, > but I suppose you can > stand it... > > John Vertical > > np: Tangram Set 1 more specifically, that annoying > section @ 7 minutes Actually it wasn't too good IMO. And there actually wasn't too much music, so you didn't miss nothing. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From: 'heineu' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 6:55 am Subject: Re: Elektrick Looser #3 Hi Vic, I think alos it is an Bootleg release, but in very good quality. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de (with CD online Shop) --- In tadream@y..., 'vic rek' wrote: > > can everybody tell me more about the CD: Electrick Loosers # 3 - The > Rheingold Rampage 1964-1970 with The Ones - Lady Greengrass include. > > It is an official Release, but I cant found an Label only an Number on the > CD: BK 7963 or is it an Bootleg ??? > > > > Regards > > heiko > > Yes, I have this release and it is confusing. I cannot find a label for > this release, only the catalog number BK 7963. So this hints to be a > bootleg, but I would guess it is an official release. So I really didn't > answer the question? Vic From: mike browder Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 7:27 am Subject: re: [tadream] Ripoff joe shoults wrote: >sounds like these fans (the bidders) need >to know there are alternatives, >and sounds like ebay needs to know someone >is pirating. any way to find out >who the current bidders are? If you are an ebay member, you can send the high bidder a message via ebay's service. There's no way to get their email address from ebay to contact them directly. Even if you are signed in, ebay will only display email addresses of users you are currently involved with a transaction with. As far as copyright violations, the copyright holder usually has to be the one to contact ebay. I tried to report a guy who was selling counterfeit LP's, and ebay said they would have to receive a complaint from the copyright holder. I tried emailing the high bidders, and that worked for a while, but then the guy started listing his fake LPs as 'private auctions.' That way, the bidders ID's are not displayed. mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 7:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Washington, DC 1977 > Well, I just got ahold of Washington, DC 1977 of the Tangerine Tree and I > am going to be cautiously honest here. Hello Morgan, there's no need to get cautious when you write about stuff from the 'Tangerine Tree'. Sometimes it's difficult for me to choose which version is the best, and criticism is totally ok if it's justified (ok, where is my handkerchief?! ;-) > 1976 Nottingham is mind-blowing! I agree with Heiko that this is the best > recording in the set. It's crisp. There is a bit of distortion in the process > of sharpening the treble but it's worth it to have the clarity. Just listened to it again yesterday on headphones, it's definetly an improvement over the original recording which I received on CDR. The tape speed has also been adjusted, the original version was 2-3 minutes too fast. > Bilbao 76 looks to be pretty much a verbatim copy of the excellent bootleg > that appeared out of the ether last year. I don't what work has been done > on it, but it must be very subtle. This is just a fun concert to listen to. Nothing has been changed, what you hear is the exact version that I (and others) received from Frederico. I thought it already sounded excellent and decided to use it as it was. > 1974 Sheffield is quite clear considering the vintage. All the tape hiss > has been removed ala Washington, DC but not nearly as much treble response > was lost (since there wasn't that much to lose in the first place--the > bootleg lacked it). This is an unknown generation tape recording which was remastered by 'Jabberwocky'. It's even better than the 2nd gen. recording I received from someone a while ago. > 1983 Fassbinder I've already weighed in. Somehow I already had the source > for this bootleg (from Klaus presumably :) oh, what a surprise...guess we both had the same 'dealer' for this recording ;-) regards Heiko From: 'mars103nl' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:22 am Subject: FTP server Hi, I've got an FTP server running with all of the first batch CDRs. I must say I haven't run an FTP server from home before so I do not know how my PC can handle a large load but it should be fine I guess. I've got a broadband adsl connection so it should be fast enough, but again I do not know (yet) if the speed drops fast with more users conencting. I'm not giving the user info yet because I'm not sure if it is okay with Joe to have all the people on the list have that info. (I'm not sure if I'm okay with that :-)). A reminder of how big the files are: > Disc 1 - Volume 1 (Nottingham) - 510 MB > Disc 2 - Volume 2 & 3 (Sheffield & Bernau) - 690 MB > Disc 3 - Volume 4 (Washington) - 641 MB > Disc 4 - Volume 5 (Frankfurt) - 218 MB (sic!) > Disc 5 - Volume 6 (Bilbao) - 651 MB > Disc 6 - Volume 7 & 8 (Croydon & Berlin) - 576 MB Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:12 pm Subject: Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert To clarify for non-Brits, Albert Hall in Nottingham is different from the Royal Albert Hall (I have seen some get them mixed up). The Usher Hall is a venue in Edinburgh. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'John Marchington' wrote: > It's probably already been mentioned by someone on the list, but I assume > that the first disc in the 'Tangerine Tree' project (Nottingham, 1976) is > the same -- or much of it anyway -- as the bootleg 'Me Rad'. According to > Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance', the venue for the 'Me Rad' concert > (November 8th, 1976) was the Usher Hall, whereas the artwork for disc one > of the 'Tree' project states the Albert Hall. Which is correct? From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Arcane (Was Re: Oneshift, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Arcane (Was Re: Oneshift, etc.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'horrod6' > > > I've only heard Future Wreck, but that one is a regular in my CD player. > I'd > > describe it as a light-hearted tribute, it sounds to me like they were > > having fun playing with borrowed sounds, and building their own stuff > around > > them. I love the spoons! > > What's this talk about 'they' and 'their'? :-)) > > Arcane is a one-man band, and the story behind 'them' is fake too. Paul > Lawler is the man. I would think he is a member here? > > Glenn > Indeed I am . I didn`t realise some people still thought of Arcane as a 70s German band :) Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk From: 'H.' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:49 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release It's hard to compare the tracks, because the official CD contains 18 tracks. 1. Before The Closing Of the day 4:50 2. The spirit of Virgil 2:39 3. Minotaurae hunt at dawn 3:24 4. Those once broke the first word 3:38 5. Dante in dispair 3:25 6. Io non mor 5:49 7. Vidi tre face 4:41 8. At the deepest point in space 2:38 9. L'omperador del deloroso regno 4:45 10. Voices in the starless night 4:14 11. Fear and longing 3:06 12. Fallen for Death 4:38 13. Where all light went silent 3:39 14. Charon, il barchere 3:59 15. La grey de los almas perdidas 7:28 16. Justice of the karma law 3:02 17. As the sun moves towards heaven 7:57 18. Beatrice, l'ame infinite 5:10 there might be some typos in there. They used a rather small font :((( Greetings Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > Gesendet: Montag, 18. Marz 2002 03:46 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release > > > No lyrics on the booklet? That's *awful*. I hope the lyrics > will at least be included on the official site. > > Has anyone who has the Tree edition of Inferno got the CD? > The question is, the Tree should have the official > tracklisting instead of 'part 1-13'... If anyone has both, > could they compare the music and put the official names on > the unnamed Tree edition tracks? > > Hello Martin K, I'm not sure if this has been announced > already, but does Inferno have a official release date already? > > >The CD booklet does not include any lyrics. > > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32812 Re: AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/releas Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/18/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:15 am Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Inferno lyrics/tracklist/release I know, but then the Tree certainly has some tracks glued together. It would be a matter of listening and checking which is which. > It's hard to compare the tracks, because the official CD contains 18 tracks. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: [boot] Another Mystery? Someone made available to me a 79 minute recording of 27.06.76 Berlin Philharmonie. So I listened to it. Here's the tracklist: 01-30:53 02-18:49 03-29:17 04-00:22 (radio announcement) Well, if you add up tracks 1, 2, and 4 they equal 49 minutes, which may be what Klaus Beschorner has listed here: 27.06.76 Berlin 'Live at the Philharmonie Berlin 27th June 1976'..... 49 CDR I have listened to all 3 tracks, and I can safely say that all 3 tracks are the same exact music! Using Tangerine Tree Vol 8 (31:31) as the reference... track 1 is the same, but starts 30 seconds in track 2 is an excerpt of the same track, corresponding with 11:01 - end of Tangerine Tree Vol 8. track 3 is the same, but is a bit faster, explaining the shorter time Oh, and the radio announcement? It's in German. The English bits are 'Tangerine Dream' and 'Electronic Rock at the Philharmonic'. So the other question becomes, was this indeed a 30 minute concert? Or is 30 minutes all that played on the radio? (this 79 minute bootleg claims to be from FM radio) If so, I wonder if an audience recording exists. Maybe I should put the FM radio announcement at the head of my Vol 8 disks as I pass them down the tree. :) It would add a nice touch. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32818 Re: [boot] Another Mystery? Matthew Sawyer Tue 3/19/2002 4 KB 32823 [boot] Another Mystery? Klaus Beschorner Tue 3/19/2002 2 KB 32832 Re: [boot] Another Mystery? peter.stoeferle@t... Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 7:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Reims 1974 So you're saying there is no recording of the encores(s) is indeed they played any? > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > I finally found the time to listen through all 'Reims 1974' > tapes. Someone did a helluva job to scramble them all, but, > the short version is: 'Live Improvised' is the complete > concert in the right order. The so-called 'first encore' > is an excerpt from it, actually a preview for the full > radio broadcast, with an announcer. All the other stuff > is mixed-up, sped-up snippets of the full thing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32824 Reims 1974 Klaus Beschorner Tue 3/19/2002 2 KB 35903 Reims 1974 Morgan Feldon feldon23 Tue 9/3/2002 2 KB 35912 Re: Reims 1974 Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 9/3/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ripoff On the same topic, a friend of mine recently received a warning from eBay for trying to sell live bootleg CDRs by The Strokes, but the whole thing seemed to have kicked off by the band's management/lawyers complaining to eBay in USA. - Chris From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 8:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ripoff Strange! I've tried to find another track titled 'Girls on Broadway' (by any artist) and there doesn't appear to be any (at least not listed at CDDB). Maybe the collection producers just felt it had that '60's sound'? James > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=851232152 > > Here is another oddity, placing a ROCKOON track in the 1960s! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 10:17 pm Subject: RE: Re: Ebay According to EBAY's US rules you can not sell CDRs via their site... However, that doesn't keep you from offering them as freebies along with a regular legitimate item. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Owen chris@o... Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:06:45 -0800 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Ripoff On the same topic, a friend of mine recently received a warning from eBay for trying to sell live bootleg CDRs by The Strokes, but the whole thing seemed to have kicked off by the band's management/lawyers complaining to eBay in USA. - Chris ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32831 Re: Ebay goozergrafx Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 10:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [boot] Another Mystery? From: 'Morgan Feldon' > I have listened to all 3 tracks, and I can safely say that all 3 tracks are > the same exact music! There are a few different copies of the radio broadcast circulating, all in varying quality. I've got four - the rather tinny sounding version on Danger Live 2 (easily the worst), a couple of radio broadcast tapes (one of which has the radio annoucement at the end), and of course the Tree version. Presumably someone has compiled them together. > It's in German. The English bits are 'Tangerine Dream' and 'Electronic Rock > at the Philharmonic'. My German is rusty, but I believe the announcer also gives the date of the concert, which leads me to wonder about something else... > So the other question becomes, was this indeed a 30 minute concert? Or is > 30 minutes all that played on the radio? (this 79 minute bootleg claims to > be from FM radio) If so, I wonder if an audience recording exists. I remember reading somewhere that the concert consisted of the 35 minute piece and a short encore. There's something about the radio broadcast I've always wondered - just how faithful to the original concert is it? It obviously wasn't broadcast live, as the announcer gives the date. No disrespect to the band, but I'd be amazed if this really was completely improvised on the night. There doesn't seem to be a single bum note or brief patch of noodling while the band decide where they're going to take the music next. Could the concert tape have been re-recorded and cleaned up slightly by the band for radio transmission, ala 'Antarktis'? Was anyone here at the concert and is there an audience tape? Questions, questions... ;-) Maff From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re Arcane and ...? Actually I see nada wrong being influenced by TD and sounding similar. At least they are doing something. (still stinging from the lack of North American concerts). I first heard of Airsculpture via this list. I found them very similar. Too bad they don't have a distributor who sales the CD's at large stores yet. Perhaps they wished it that way? I just know some of us would have been buying them sooner if we knew. I know, I am just polarized. (Polandized) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: [tadream] re Arcane > hmm, I think a buddy of mine summed up arcane and airsculpture rather > succinctly--'one sounds like TD, the other Klaus Schulze'. > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs Joe Remember, I run a ISP business on the side? Dale Dieing due to lack of TD. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs > hey folks- > > We can expedite the tree for SHN participants by providing downloads. I > have two hosting volunteers already, but we need more. Once I know how many > SHN participants have the broadband download capability required to > participate in this manner, I'll know how much bandwidth will be required > overall. We can distribute that load amongst the hosts. I don't know the > file sizes, but I've asked Marcel to reply with the file lists. Does > everyone have the same SHN files, BTW? > > If you can host a file for download, let me know. If you are a SHN > participant who has broadband download capability, let me know. not to be > elitist about the broadband, but if one of our hosts is willing to leave the > ports open for those slow modem downloads, and has resumable server, then > we'll let you know. > > Note: The idea is certainly not to take away from the fun of the trading > experience, but to get the American portion of the tree on schedule. > > Thanks in advance, > Joe > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32834 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Marcel Engels Tue 3/19/2002 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [boot] Another Mystery? (Berlin 1976) > I remember reading somewhere that the concert consisted of the 35 minute > piece and a short encore. I wasn't at the concert back in 1976 (at that time I was only 7 years old and mostly listened to...erm... ABBA?! ;-), but I know that TD only performed this one track which you can find on Tree Disc No. 8. On that night Tangerine Dream were part of a music festival about Johann Sebastian Bach, the famous classical composer. The 'short encore' you're talking about is just an excerpt of the track which was re-broadcasted in 1978. I got this info from a TD radio special ('Schwingungen'), sometimes back in the 80s. > There's something about the radio broadcast I've > always wondered - just how faithful to the original concert is it? It > obviously wasn't broadcast live, as the announcer gives the date. No > disrespect to the band, but I'd be amazed if this really was completely > improvised on the night. as far as I know this was an artificial head recording which got broadcasted on that very night, however I'm also truly amazed about the high quality of the concert, no false notes or 'noodling', everything's right on the spot. I assume that for this special occasion they didn't want to improvise that much, and that most of the music had already been composed before...who knows. > Was anyone here at the concert and is there an audience tape? as far as I know an audience tape doesn't exist. Heiko From: 'syensen' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:06 am Subject: Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Thanks Paul from me too. Is it possible to cast this in stone and put it in the FAQ also? This isn't a moan or a complaint, but this question has popped up many times over the 5 years I've been on the tadream list and it would be nice if there was a reference somewhere! There has never been an Usher Hall in Nottingham. The 1976 concert was indeed at the Albert Hall (now a conference centre I believe) and all the others were at the Royal Centre/Royal Concert Hall - both names are correct but the actual venue was the Royal Concert Hall. Unfortunately I missed the 1990 concert due to illness. I think everybody who's heard the Nottingham 1976 concert has been pretty much blown away. It was absolutely magnificent and I've heard nothing as good since, not live anyway ... Are we going to put Bradford St. George's Hall (1974) on the tree sometime? I was there too and would love to hear it again. I was involved in a trade some while back but I couldn't provide an item of interest for trade so it fell through. I'm a lurker, not entirely by choice, and it's only by sheer luck that I heard of the Tangerine Tree in the first place! Cheers, Steve - the 'fan who was there' - Nottingham, England. np: Manitas de Plata - Olé (for a change) --- In tadream@y..., 'John Marchington' wrote: > Thanks for that, Paul. It looks as if I should contact Scott Plumer and > point out that the error to him so that he can correct it for future issues > of 'Mysterious Semblance'. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Fellows' > To: > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert > > > le 17/03/02 6:40, John Marchington à johnm@p... a écrit : > > > It's probably already been mentioned by someone on the list, but I assume > > that the first disc in the 'Tangerine Tree' project (Nottingham, 1976) is > > the same -- or much of it anyway -- as the bootleg 'Me Rad'. According to > > Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance', the venue for the 'Me Rad' concert > > (November 8th, 1976) was the Usher Hall, whereas the artwork for disc one > > of the 'Tree' project states the Albert Hall. Which is correct? > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > On the cover of the first tree CD it states that 'this replaces Me- rad'. > The correct venue name can be found on my concert pages (corrected by a fan > who actually lives in Nottingham and who was at the concert at the time) > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/75-76.html > > Hope this helps > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:26 am Subject: [boot] Another Mystery? >Well, if you add up tracks 1, 2, and 4 they equal 49 minutes, which may >be what Klaus Beschorner has listed here: > >27.06.76 Berlin 'Live at the Philharmonie Berlin 27th June >1976'..... 49 CDR oh, just another oversight I forgot to correct in my lists. This was a CDR someone made off my tapes before I realized: - German TV 24.2.78 was in fact a broadcast of Berlin 1976, and it is not a continuation (Part II), but a fragment of, Berlin Philharmonie 27.6.76 (31 min) There's lots more of this info in my remcorr.txt ciao klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:28 am Subject: Reims 1974 >So you're saying there is no recording of the encores(s) is indeed they >played any? I don't what there is and isn't, but they have not surfaced yet, if there were any. regards klaus. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert > I think everybody who's heard the Nottingham 1976 concert has been > pretty much blown away. It was absolutely magnificent and I've heard > nothing as good since, not live anyway ... Just listened to it again full blast on my Discman. It's on a same high level as the Berlin 76 show and completely misses the 'noodling' and uninspired moments of some of the old TD live performances (well, except Edgar's guitar solo in the 2nd track which is a bit out of tune in places) The music plays in a totally different league than for example Munich and Hannover 76, concerts which were performed just 2-3 weeks before Nottingham Albert Hall and which sound a bit 'untogether'. I could listen to last three minutes of the 1st track forever and ever..'The art of sequencing' would be an apt title for this concert (the name of a Klaus Schulze piece) Btw, I received this 2nd gen. as a CDR from a musician (a TD-inspired band most of us know), at least who seems to have been a huge TD fan in the mid 70s, in most cases he even knew the names of the people which were taping the show, and the row they were sitting. It's always exciting for me to receive a recording of a TD concert which is close to the master tape, and with Nottingham 76 I felt like getting the Jackpot ;-) > Are we going to put Bradford St. George's Hall (1974) on the tree > sometime? I was there too and would love to hear it again. At the moment no. But if I get a version of Bradford which is way better than what I currently have this might be a show to consider.. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32826 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert Dennis Nigbur Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32860 Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert richter_arne Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert On 19 Mar 2002 at 8:42, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Just listened to it again full blast on my Discman. It's on a same > high level as the Berlin 76 show and completely misses the 'noodling' > and uninspired moments of some of the old TD live performances (well, > except Edgar's guitar solo in the 2nd track which is a bit out of tune > in places) Some of Edgar's guitar improvisations from that period really annoy me. This solo you're mentioning and the contribution on 'The Emerald Beyond' don't add anything to the music; they're just noisy, haphazard, and a bit pointless. The worst thing is that they make the very nice instrumental work in the background so much less audible...I can certainly see why TD decided against putting any of this out on record. Having said that, the Tangerine Tree on the whole is fantastic! Many thanks to all the brilliant, hard-working people on this list who made this possible. Dennis From: Kent Eskildsen Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:43 am Subject: Tangerine Ambience II > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:56:51 -0000 > From: 'Phil White' > Subject: Re: Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream > I also have this disk but also Tangerine Ambience Vol II which follows the same format as Vol I and is also on the Hypnotic label but purports to be 100% analog (sic ). Phil Hi there Record label nonsense! I seem to recall that 'Stratosfear' and 'White Eagle' was recorded here in my studio...and it is absolutely NOT analog... ...as if 'analog' should be a quallity stamp. Well, there are analog guitar on it...an old Roland GR 700 guitar synth BTW... Best regards, Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32835 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Eric Williamson Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience II Kent, Thanks for the information and it doesn't detract from IMO a bloody good album. Mmmm nice ! ATB Phil ----- Original Message -----> > Record label nonsense! > > I seem to recall that 'Stratosfear' and 'White Eagle' was recorded here in > my studio...and it is absolutely NOT analog... > > ...as if 'analog' should be a quallity stamp. > Well, there are analog guitar on it...an old Roland GR 700 guitar synth BTW... > > > Best regards, > Kent From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience II Hehe.........................sådan Kent, bare giv dem..................=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kent Eskildsen' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience II > > Message: 12 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:56:51 -0000 > > From: 'Phil White' > > Subject: Re: Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream > > > I also have this disk but also Tangerine Ambience Vol II > which follows the same format as Vol I and is also on the > Hypnotic label but purports to be 100% analog (sic ). > > Phil > > Hi there > > Record label nonsense! > > I seem to recall that 'Stratosfear' and 'White Eagle' was recorded here in > my studio...and it is absolutely NOT analog... > > ...as if 'analog' should be a quallity stamp. > Well, there are analog guitar on it...an old Roland GR 700 guitar synth BTW... > > > Best regards, > Kent > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'convention24' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:05 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream tree Artwork. Hello Everyone I was wondering if any members could Download the tree artwork for me,i have the ten discs but no artwork,as im not able to do this myself,i would very much appreciate anyones help.Of course i will pay all expenses and postage.HERES HOPING Best regards Colin South Wales GB. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32841 Re: Tangerine Dream tree Artwork. Dennis Nigbur Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Ebay Which didn't stop one guy from selling a Jan Hammer/Miami Vice Rarities CD-R that I made for him for $20. He paid me $25 originally, though.... --- In tadream@y..., 'michaeljean@e...' wrote: > According to EBAY's US rules you can not sell CDRs via their site... > > However, that doesn't keep you from offering them as freebies along with a regular legitimate item. > > MJ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Chris Owen chris@o... > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:06:45 -0800 > To: tadream@y... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Ripoff > > > On the same topic, a friend of mine recently received a warning from eBay > for trying to sell live bootleg CDRs by The Strokes, but the whole thing > seemed to have kicked off by the band's management/lawyers complaining to > eBay in USA. > > - Chris > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [boot] Another Mystery? Hi, this is an effort to end up with a new bootleg mystery: > From: Morgan Feldon > > Someone made available to me a 79 minute recording of 27.06.76 Berlin > Philharmonie. So I listened to it. Here's the tracklist: > > 01-30:53 > 02-18:49 > 03-29:17 > 04-00:22 (radio announcement) > > Well, if you add up tracks 1, 2, and 4 they equal 49 minutes, which may be > what Klaus Beschorner has listed here: > > 27.06.76 Berlin 'Live at the Philharmonie Berlin 27th June > 1976'..... 49 CDR > > (...) > > So the other question becomes, was this indeed a 30 minute concert? Or is > 30 minutes all that played on the radio? (this 79 minute bootleg claims to > be from FM radio) If so, I wonder if an audience recording exists. The complete 'Live at the Philharmonie' concert consists of the 30 min tape recording and of another tape which has been circulating under the title 'WDR-TV 24. February 1978, 20 min'. The Cologne-based WDR aired the second part of the TD show almost two years after the show which was recorded and aired by the Berlin-based SFB (both radio and TV stations cooperate within the German ARD network). So if you add these two shows, you will get a recording of about 50 minutes (or 49, like Klaus mentioned). > I have listened to all 3 tracks, and I can safely say that all 3 tracks are > the same exact music! A real expert seems to have compiled the CD-R for you... Peter From: Kees Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: FS: Tangerine Dream - THE KEEP (special edition) Now for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.nl/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852615327 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs So whats happening with all the FTP and download sides? I've checked my upload speed and it isn't really a blinding speed...at least not like the download speed. It's only 64kbit/s with an upgrade to 128 kbit/s in May. That takes quite a long download. :-) Marcel > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:20 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > Joe > Remember, I run a ISP business on the side? > > Dale > > Dieing due to lack of TD. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:28 PM > Subject: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > > hey folks- > > > > We can expedite the tree for SHN participants by providing downloads. I > > have two hosting volunteers already, but we need more. Once I know how > many > > SHN participants have the broadband download capability required to > > participate in this manner, I'll know how much bandwidth will > be required > > overall. We can distribute that load amongst the hosts. I > don't know the > > file sizes, but I've asked Marcel to reply with the file lists. Does > > everyone have the same SHN files, BTW? > > > > If you can host a file for download, let me know. If you are a SHN > > participant who has broadband download capability, let me know. > not to be > > elitist about the broadband, but if one of our hosts is willing to leave > the > > ports open for those slow modem downloads, and has resumable > server, then > > we'll let you know. > > > > Note: The idea is certainly not to take away from the fun of the trading > > experience, but to get the American portion of the tree on schedule. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Eric Williamson Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience II Quoting someone: > I also have this disk but also Tangerine Ambience Vol II > which follows the same format as Vol I and is also on the > Hypnotic label but purports to be 100% analog (sic ). i picked that up and looked at it. put it right back down. a 'tribute' to TD? WTF? if you really want to do a tribute to TD, you'd go improvise your _OWN_ music ... on whatever equipment you feel comfy with using to it's extremes. the 'kit list' was a joke. 100% analogue my ass. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:02 pm Subject: Legend DVD Well, I've been hesitant to get excited about this DVD since it was inexplicably pulled before release last time around (all the materials were complete and ready to ship November 2000) and didn't want to get anyone's hopes up, but review copies of the DVD are now being passed around to websites!! The Digital Bits (a respected DVD review and news website) has snapshots of the DVD menus on this Ultimate Edition here: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#legendmenus Remember, disc 1 is the American theatrical cut of the film with the Tangerine Dream score AND YOU CAN PLAY THE FILM WITH THE ISOLATED TANGERINE DREAM SCORE!!!!!!!!!! (look at menu grab #3!) Disc 2 is the Director's Cut of the film (longer than the European cut) with the Jerry Goldsmith score. Incidentially, it's amazing how much negativity towards the Tangerine Dream music there is in DVD circles and fans of this movie. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:26 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream tree Artwork I'm not sure why people are having trouble downloading the Artwork. The artwork is available in individual files or as packages at Matt's website here: http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/ And as three packages at my website (which should be pretty fast): http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ The first file is 3.14 MB or 14 minutes on a 33.6k modem http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/treecovers1-4.zip The second file is 2.21 MB or 10 minutes on a 33.6k modem http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/treecovers5-8.zip and the labels for the CDs are a 1.69MB file or 8 minutes on a 33k modem: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/treelabels1-8.zip -=Morgan=- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32843 Re: Tangerine Dream tree Artwork John Marchington Wed 3/20/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs we are exploring our options and experimenting with different methods. We have people who can host, but the results are not satisfactory, at least so far. However, Dale has the best hosting capability, so the main thrust is to get the SHN disks to Dale Kay asap. My disks haven't arrived; I'm afraid they may be lost. So we bypassed me and had Steve Whitely send a copy to Scott Charles to jumpstart this leg of the tree, er branch. Call to Action: Can anyone step up and ~expedite~ SHN disks to Dale Kay in California USA? With his superior hosting capacity he will be the best person to serve the files. Even if it takes a week to download, it will seed several people. If you can get SHN disks to Dale asap, speak up! (thanks) > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:25 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > So whats happening with all the FTP and download > sides? > I've checked my upload speed and it isn't really > a blinding speed...at least not like the download > speed. It's only 64kbit/s with an upgrade to 128 > kbit/s in May. That takes quite a long download. :-) > > Marcel > > -----Original Message----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32846 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs mars103nl Wed 3/20/2002 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD Excerpt from an interview with Ridley Scott: 'But I made a terrible mistake with the score. Jerry Goldsmith's original score was by far the most relevant. But after some really not very good previews I decided that maybe the film was too sweet. So I tried to adjust that for America. And I went to Tangerine Dream, God bless them, who wrote a score in three-and-a-half weeks in Berlin. For the rest of the world I kept the Goldsmith score.' and: (from http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/question16.html) Former MCA/Universal executive Sid Sheinberg explains: 'The picture was originally produced with two companies being involved, one having the foreign rights, and the other the domestic rights. Obviously, for reasons I don't now remember, there was a decision made to go in two different directions.' The result was two radically different versions: a European cut with the Jerry Goldsmith score and a reported running time of 94 minutes and a less complex U.S. cut, aimed at a more 'youthful,' rock 'n' roll-oriented audience, which ran 89 minutes and replaced the original Goldsmith score with a new one by Tangerine Dream. The initial cut of the film ran over two hours long. In retropect, Scott himself accepts much of the blame for altering the film, particularly with regard to the score: 'I got totally paranoid,' he reveals. 'I started to hack away at the movie. A gentleman at Universal literally tried to physically stop me. As opposed to him saying, 'We've got to cut this film,' it was me....I figured that maybe we'd been too adventurous with our expectations of a full-blown fairy story, and therefore, maybe the combination of the score and the visual was actually too sweet. So, with only three weeks to redo a score, I went to Berlin and did the score with Tangerine Dream. In three weeks they did an incredible job, but it was completely different. It was a driving, more modern way to go, and given what they did in the time, I thought they did a fantastic job. On reflection, it was the wrong thing to do, and the first score [by Jerry Goldsmith] was what it should be, which is what we've got on this disc.' So Scott's basic opinion is that TD did a great job with the score given the time frame, but it didn't hold true with his original vision of the film (which he himself had lost when he commisioned the TD score). Personally I find the TD score quite fantastic, especially considering it was done in only THREE WEEKS!!! I've heard the Goldsmith score on disc. I'm a Jerry Goldsmith fan, but I didn't find anything particularly fascinating about his Legend score. Perhaps it was just bias, or perhaps it's just because I haven't heard the music with the film... James > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Incidentially, it's amazing how much negativity towards the > Tangerine Dream > music there is in DVD circles and fans of this movie. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:29 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience II >Eric Williamson said: > >i picked that up and looked at it. put it right back down. > >a 'tribute' to TD? WTF? if you really want to do a tribute to TD, you'd go >improvise your _OWN_ music ... on whatever equipment you feel comfy with >using >to it's extremes. Of course your mileage may vary. I found Tangerine Ambience I and II refreshing and fun to listen to. -Morgan From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream tree Artwork. Colin, Craig, who has been an exemplary branch for me on this tree, has sent me a CD-ROM with the artwork on it. I don't need it any more after printing out all the covers. If you like, I can send you the CDR in the post. Dennis On 19 Mar 2002 at 13:05, convention24 wrote: > Hello Everyone > I was wondering if any members could Download the tree artwork for > me,i have the ten discs but no artwork,as im not able to do this > myself,i would very much appreciate anyones help.Of course i will pay > all expenses and postage.HERES HOPING > Best regards Colin South Wales GB. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience II I have to agree here with Morgan. Own both of Tangerine Ambience and have enjoyed them very much. As a musician, I find it interesting to listen to other musicians view on TD. We all experience music differently and if we keep an open mind to new angles of the music, our own can only grow. Jan > >Eric Williamson said: > >i picked that up and looked at it. put it right back down. > >a 'tribute' to TD? WTF? if you really want to do a tribute to TD, you'd go > >improvise your _OWN_ music ... on whatever equipment you feel comfy with > >using > >to it's extremes. > > Of course your mileage may vary. I found Tangerine Ambience I and II > refreshing and fun to listen to. > > -Morgan From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 12:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream tree Artwork I didn't have any trouble actually downloading the individual files, but I noticed some of them were corrupted at the bottom (I guess it was equivalent to visual noise) upon examination so I settled for downloading the ZIP file, which was fine. I know of someone else who seemed to have similar problems, so I sent him a number of the unzipped files and I heard back from him that they were received without problems so I doubt that it was my setup. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream tree Artwork > I'm not sure why people are having trouble downloading the Artwork. > > The artwork is available in individual files or as packages at Matt's > website here: > http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/ > > And as three packages at my website (which should be pretty fast): > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ > > > The first file is 3.14 MB or 14 minutes on a 33.6k modem > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/treecovers1-4.zip > > The second file is 2.21 MB or 10 minutes on a 33.6k modem > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/treecovers5-8.zip > > and the labels for the CDs are a 1.69MB file or 8 minutes on a 33k modem: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/treelabels1-8.zip > > -=Morgan=- > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 12:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1272 Hey Dreamers, I keep hearing of a TD artwork CDR, is someone hosting this so I can download? If someone has a TD fan concert tape mp3 collection that is accessible could you please contact me. Nottingham 76 is still stunning, its such a joy hear this performance. I can't wait to hear more of these wonderful concerts. Thanks, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32847 Re: Digest Number 1272 Roger Hartopp Wed 3/20/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:36 am Subject: Mellotron Keyboard Mag, Jan 2002, page 12 has a interesting article on Mellotrons. Web site for more info given www.kleonard.com/mellotron . I never knew there existed a double tron (Rick Wakeman)? Hey if I missed this post about this earier, sorry. I am just now getting to look at Jan's issue. I got Feb and Mar. to look at soon I hope. Dale From: 'mars103nl' Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > Call to Action: > Can anyone step up and ~expedite~ SHN disks to Dale Kay in California USA? > With his superior hosting capacity he will be the best person to serve the > files. Even if it takes a week to download, it will seed several people. I could upload a few Trees to Dale, maybe in combination with someone else to speed things up. For example: I will upload Volume1 and somebody else will upload Volume2 and so on... Just an idea. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1272 Hi - this is what I got for digest number 1272... ... a blank screen. Anyone else have any problems? Roger Hartopp -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: LAFOOTE@a... Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 12:10 pm Subject: Mellotron History - Contrary To Popular Belief Popular music and its culture has given us many famous instrument innovations. The electric guitar, the Rhodes Piano and the synthesizer quickly come to mind . Our capacity for invention seems at times to be limitless when a problem stands between us and our artistic vision. One problem facing all musicians at one time or another is the matter of artistic control and the ability to realize a sound without having the facility to play the instrument responsible for that sound. Multi-track recording gave a single musician the ability to manipulate time by overdubbing a performance to create a multi instrument piece of music but, he still was faced with learning and playing those instruments himself. A major driving force for today's music industry, to be sure. In 1946, a clever man named Harry Chamberlin saw a solution to this problem. One day, while playing his home organ, Harry got out a portable tape recorder to record his playing for some friends. After having made the recording, the BIG IDEA struck him. He thought, “if I can make a recording of myself playing, why not build a machine that plays recordings of these (and any other) sounds?” Harry had seen the first sampler that has culminated to date in the machine that you, dear reader, are about to load these sounds into. Full circle. According to Harry's son Richard, Harry's first machine was the model 100 rhythmate. This machine had 14 loops of drum patterns and was aimed at the home organ market. Pleased with the success of this machine, he then built a shop in Upland Ca. and began production of the Model 200 keyboard.This instrument used quarter inch full track tape and the first version of his multi station tape changing system. Oddly, this machine also had a steel subframe that was soon abandoned with the design of the 300/350 series. The lack of a subframe was the major design flaw in all of Harry's subsequent models up to the M series. It's the first thing that the Bradley Bros. would add to this design in producing their first Mellotron. Harry then built the remotely operated Model 300/350 (two separate cabinets) and the organ style cabinet Model 600/660 Music Master. These machines used 3/8ths in. tape and had thirty five keys, G to F. Harry felt that this range was enough to cover the useable range of most instruments and still left room in the cabinet for another 35 note keyboard that had “combo” rhythm tapes and special sound effects. The 3/8ths in. tape afforded him more sounds and a proprietary tape format that insured replacement tape sales. This was a largely successful design and in 1960 Harry set up a new shop in Ontario California to build and sell these instruments. After a period of time Harry hired a man named Bill Fransen as a salesman (something Bill was very good at) to help him increase his sales. Bill did this, but there were problems: Harry’s inability to keep up with the orders and the basic unreliability of the mechanism. There were six banks of tape in each keyboard that were scrolled from “station” to 'station' thereby giving the player a different set of 3 sounds to choose from. His method for stopping this scrolling had about a 40 % failure rate and caused tape disasters few have ever seen the likes of. Also, the replay heads he used were unmatched, producing a very uneven play back from key to key. Nine months later, Bill concluded that even though Harry's wonderful keyboard was sound in principle, he was never going to fix the problems that continued to plague the tape shuttling system. Believing that the idea was to good to be left alone, Bill 'appropriated' two of Harry's Model 600 Music Masters and took them to England to try and find someone with the engineering and manufacturing talent to bring this idea to fruition. While looking for this talent in Birmingham, Bill contacted Leslie Bradley of Bradmatic Ltd. and asked if they could supply a set of 70 matched replay heads. Les consulted with his brothers Frank and Norman and replied that they could indeed do this. The brothers were very curious about this strange request ( Frank rightly guessed that they must be for some sort of music machine) and inquired further.The Brothers were impressed when Bill showed them how their 70 replay heads were being used and when asked by Bill if they could improve upon and mass produce this machine, they gave him an enthusiastic “yes”. It should be stated here that the Bradleys at this point believed the idea to Bill's and they had no reason to believe that they were infringing on someone else's patent or intellectual property. This all came to light a year later after Harry got wind of it and hot footed it to England. Boy, was he mad. When the dust settled, Harry agreed to sell the technology to the Bradleys for a sum of 30,000.00 in 1966. Harry reluctantly shook Bill’s hand and went back home to continue his own path of development that culminated in the Chamberlin M series of the 1970’s. Harry did some master tape trading with the Bradleys and some of Harry’s masters ended up with the Bradleys.They are now a part of the Mellotron Archives collection that this CD ROM was made from. The Bradley Brothers, Orchestra leader Eric Robinson and magician David Nixon were all partners in Mellotronics, the company set up to handle sales and distribution of the Mellotron. The brothers then renamed their manufacturing outfit Streetly Electronics and proceeded to build Mellotrons and recording tapes for them. This tape recording process was a daunting task. Consider this: For the rhythm side they need thirty five tape recordings of a rhythm section playing in time, in tune and each tape had three of these recordings across the 3/8ths in. tape that had to start at the same time. Multiply this times the six “stations” that were selectable, involve stretching tape, and the fact that it’s 1963. No digital editing. No synchronized tape lock. Just a lot of head scratching and a stubborn will to make it work. It took three months for them to record the first set of Mk II rhythms and fills. The leads sets were next to be recorded because Harry’s leads were not in tune with the Bradley produced Rhythms, remember, one capstan drives both sides of the machine. Once this was done, they went into business and did quite well. A number of rock groups, the Beatles, Stones, Kinks etc.. helped make the instrument more visible and a young Brumey lad named Mike Pinder went to work for Streetly. Michael's job there was to play the finished Mellotron at the end of the assembly line and make any final adjustments before it was sent to the customer. He fell in love with the sound and decided that it would be an ideal addition to his new group the Moody Blues. Leslie Bradley helped Michael purchase a used Mk II and the group promptly used it to record their hit single “Love and Beauty” Soon thereafter the Beatles cut Strawberry Fields Forever. The Mellotron sound was on it way to becoming a sonic archetype in our Pop music consciousness. The development paths taken by Harry Chamberlin and the Bradley Brothers went in two different directions. They both knew they needed to improve reliability, portability and make a larger choice of instrument sounds available. Harry abandoned the multiple “station” idea of shuttling the three track tape for new sound selections and instead changed to 1/2 inch eight track tape with stereo playback capability. This was the M series. The M-1 was a single 35 note keyboard. The M-2 (or M-1D as it was originally called) had two keyboards with a 25 note keyboard being added to the left of the 35 note one. The M-4 had 4 keyboards and the Riviera Model 800 had two M-2 style units in one cabinet and a fifth foot operated 25 note unit. This last machine was Harry’s crowning achievement and is now owned by Mellotron Archives. Richard Chamberlin remembers only 2 of these units being built 4 M-4's and 5 of the M-2’s seeing the light of day. The production numbers for the M-1’s suggest between 100 and 300 units being produced between 1970 and 1981 and is arguably the best sounding instrument of this type. The Mellotron evolved in a much different way. After many calls to make the Mk II more portable, the Bradleys designed and built the Model 300 Mellotron. This unit (the oddest of the bunch) hints at the direction that would lead to the M400. The 300 had one 52 note keyboard, quarter inch tape and no pitch control! Only the first few had this much missed feature. Imagine.... a Mellotron that one couldn’t tune. The tape library was completely redone for this instrument but only 160 units were made. They realized quickly that even though the 300 was a much slimmer version of the huge Mk II, it still wasn’t portable enough and the sounds available still didn’t satisfy the thirst for more variety. To satisfy this demand the Brothers also abandoned the multi station platform but retained the proprietary 3/8 inch tape format. They then developed a removable tape frame or “cassette” and expanded the original Mk II library to include another 16 new instruments. The new instrument designed to use these new tape frames was the ever famous M400. One couldn’t go to a progressive rock concert in the 70’s without seeing that unmistakable profile. It was also usually the only white keyboard on the stage. At 122 lbs. the littlest Mellotron sold over 1800 units and was the only design that came close to being a marketing success. Why was the Mellotron more popular than the Chamberlin? A couple of reasons. Firstly, the Bradley Brothers were geniuses in their time at constructing many pieces and assembling the finished product, therefore, in the time it took Harry to build one Chamberlin, the Bradleys built a dozen Mellotrons with standardized parts and adjustment procedures. Secondly, the English groups had our attention at that time and they were using English instruments. In 1977, Mellotronics was approached by Bill Eberline of Dallas Musical Instruments of Mahwah, New Jersey to act as worldwide distributors for Mellotron. This was done and sales did pick up for a time, but other products picked up by D.M.I. were not doing so well and the company finally collapsed taking Mellotronics with them. Streetly Electronics barely survived this collapse and continued to build Mellotrons. Ironically, they had to change the name to Novatron because Bill Eberline “managed” to buy the name Mellotron in all of the legal wrangling that ensued. Bill then formed a company called Sound Sales to sell xtrons and tapes. This led to an unusual situation: Streetly would build a tron, call it a Novatron and sell it to you for 350000 where as Sound Sales would take shipment of that same machine, call it a Mellotron and charge you 4500.00 for it. Get the picture? Streetly went out of business in 1987 after heroically bucking the synthesizers domination of the market for 4 or 5 years. The end of this story is in your hands. Mellotron Archives bought the Bradley Brothers master tape collection of Mellotron and Chamberlin sounds and the Mellotron Digital collection that descended from Mellotronics in London. This collection of tapes and instruments was the source for this C.D. ROM. The sounds are exact recordings of Mellotrons and Chamberlins right down to the pressure pad contacting the tape head for 7 seconds. (These are the last sounds on earth that need to be destroyed by looping). All 35 notes were sampled from the most well maintained Mellotrons and Chamberlins on the planet. The renewed popularity of these sounds deserves an accurate volume like this one and we hope you can enjoy them without worrying about fouling a tape. From: tom807@a... Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mellotron In a message dated 3/20/02 12:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, admin@k... writes: > Keyboard Mag, Jan 2002, page 12 has a interesting article on Mellotrons. Web > site for more info given www.kleonard.com/mellotron . I never knew there > existed a double tron (Rick Wakeman)? > Hey if I missed this post about this earier, sorry. I am just now getting > to > look at Jan's issue. I got Feb and Mar. to look at soon I hope. In the 70s Edgar used a Mellotron twin. There are pictures of this unit on a few Mellotron dedicated web sites. Tom Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Excellent, Marcel! Dale, are you ready to receive? Let's get some uploads started asap, in case the disks from Stephan don't pan out. Whaddya think? Please send login info directly to Marcel. > -----Original Message----- > From: mars103nl [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:59 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > Call to Action: > > Can anyone step up and ~expedite~ SHN disks to Dale Kay in > California USA? > > With his superior hosting capacity he will be the best person to > serve the > > files. Even if it takes a week to download, it will seed several > people. > > I could upload a few Trees to Dale, maybe in combination > with someone else to speed things up. > For example: I will upload Volume1 and somebody else will > upload Volume2 and so on... > Just an idea. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Joe I can't seem to e-mail you the info. It keeps bouncing back. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > Excellent, Marcel! > > Dale, are you ready to receive? Let's get some uploads started asap, in > case the disks from Stephan don't pan out. Whaddya think? Please send > login info directly to Marcel. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mars103nl [mailto:mengels@w...] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:59 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > > Call to Action: > > > Can anyone step up and ~expedite~ SHN disks to Dale Kay in > > California USA? > > > With his superior hosting capacity he will be the best person to > > serve the > > > files. Even if it takes a week to download, it will seed several > > people. > > > > I could upload a few Trees to Dale, maybe in combination > > with someone else to speed things up. > > For example: I will upload Volume1 and somebody else will > > upload Volume2 and so on... > > Just an idea. > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32857 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs gkopuy Thu 3/21/2002 5 KB 32879 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs mars103nl Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:16 am Subject: Joe I think Joe forgot to pay his internet bill. :) -=Morgan=- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32855 Re: Joe Joe Shoults Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB From: Ken Beal Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:51 am Subject: Underwater Sunlight Howdy All... Question: What would the best ROIO be for The Underwater Sunlight tour or era? TIA, Ken PS: Offlist if you wish... From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater Sunlight From: 'Ken Beal' > Howdy All... > > Question: > > What would the best ROIO be for The Underwater Sunlight tour or era? General Relativity (29.03.86) or Parisian Dreams (31.03.86), both fantasic sound quality and some great music. Don't expect to hear too much from Underwater Sunlight itself though. IIRC all they played live was Dolphin Dance and Scuba Scuba. The music is mostly variations on the album style. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32862 Re: Underwater Sunlight TheInfection Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Joe sorry about that, folks. there was some sort fo fiber outage at our ISP and we lost internet connection today. I'm not sure if any of my mails got out at all. I hope you got the one where I was asking people who currently have the SHN disks and a high-speed upload capacity to contact Dale Kay asap, who will open up an ftp server so we can establish simultaneous uploads to a repository drive where we can download the SHN disks files... -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/20/02 7:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Joe I think Joe forgot to pay his internet bill. :) -=Morgan=- ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:13 am Subject: Electronic Scores of the '80s I found this article at: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2001/07_Mar---Lost_Issue_Electronic _Scores_of_the_80s.asp It has some information on Tangerine Dream and Chris Franke. From: 'gkopuy' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Hi, I want to participate in uploading the SHN discs of TT1 to Dale Kay. But therefore I need the following information: * FTP site * Username and password to login * Which SHN discs I should upload (I'm willing to upload 2 or 3 discs more if needed..) Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in europe). This will speed up the delivery of the discs and also reduce the shipping costs. I was one of the lucky guys who got the discs very fast, thanks to Timo from Finland... Another idea might also in setting up a tree for transferring the SHN discs directly via internet... Marcel are you the guy how played with Kubusschnitt at the Alfa Centauri fesitval?? Regards, Roger --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > Joe I can't seem to e-mail you the info. It keeps bouncing back. > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:03 AM > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > > Excellent, Marcel! > > > > Dale, are you ready to receive? Let's get some uploads started asap, in > > case the disks from Stephan don't pan out. Whaddya think? Please send > > login info directly to Marcel. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mars103nl [mailto:mengels@w...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:59 AM > > > To: tadream@y... > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > > > > Call to Action: > > > > Can anyone step up and ~expedite~ SHN disks to Dale Kay in > > > California USA? > > > > With his superior hosting capacity he will be the best person to > > > serve the > > > > files. Even if it takes a week to download, it will seed several > > > people. > > > > > > I could upload a few Trees to Dale, maybe in combination > > > with someone else to speed things up. > > > For example: I will upload Volume1 and somebody else will > > > upload Volume2 and so on... > > > Just an idea. > > > > > > Marcel > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32879 Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs mars103nl Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs Going to give it a try again tomorrow with Joe to test out the ftp site. I will let Joe contact those after a successful test. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'gkopuy' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:26 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > Hi, > > I want to participate in uploading the SHN discs of TT1 to Dale Kay. > But therefore I need the following information: > * FTP site > * Username and password to login > * Which SHN discs I should upload (I'm willing to upload 2 or 3 discs > more if needed..) > > Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the > discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in europe). This > will speed up the delivery of the discs and also reduce the shipping > costs. I was one of the lucky guys who got the discs very fast, > thanks to Timo from Finland... > > Another idea might also in setting up a tree for transferring the SHN > discs directly via internet... > > Marcel are you the guy how played with Kubusschnitt at the Alfa > Centauri fesitval?? > > Regards, > Roger > --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > wrote: > > Joe I can't seem to e-mail you the info. It keeps bouncing back. > > > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and > Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > > > > > Excellent, Marcel! > > > > > > Dale, are you ready to receive? Let's get some uploads started > asap, in > > > case the disks from Stephan don't pan out. Whaddya think? > Please send > > > login info directly to Marcel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: mars103nl [mailto:mengels@w...] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:59 AM > > > > To: tadream@y... > > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > > > > > > Call to Action: > > > > > Can anyone step up and ~expedite~ SHN disks to Dale Kay in > > > > California USA? > > > > > With his superior hosting capacity he will be the best person > to > > > > serve the > > > > > files. Even if it takes a week to download, it will seed > several > > > > people. > > > > > > > > I could upload a few Trees to Dale, maybe in combination > > > > with someone else to speed things up. > > > > For example: I will upload Volume1 and somebody else will > > > > upload Volume2 and so on... > > > > Just an idea. > > > > > > > > Marcel > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:17 am Subject: Inferno observations Hi, Some observations and opinions about Inferno live contra TDI's version. General: Dynamics on the live version is better than the TDI version which has a flatter sound better suited for casual listening. Sound is sharper on the TDI version where the live version has the church'ish sound (no surprise really :-). The live version sound simple and nice whereas the TD version sounds more chaotic and complex. Also the sound quality seem to be different from track to track (see below). Audience clapping on the TDI version is not from the concert. There was also very quiet before the concert and no clapping. Observations on some tracks (TDI version): 1: Synth and drum sounds added 9: Drums removed from start of track 10: Dark sound maybe recorded in the church ? 11: Sentimental sounding synth added + drum 12: Drum sounds removed 15: The worst track! The live version sounded so good and with a clear vocal. This was the juvel of the tracks the good sound synth sequencer rhytm from 2:20 into track is removed and the vocal is too low. A bummer!!! 16: Dark sound maybe recorded in the church - some drum sounds removed 17: Fantastic sound - no additions made or other funny things... 18: A little darkish sound - the last 'gong' sound is gone My conclusions is that the TDI version is basically a studio version. ... and I am very disappointed about track 15 - it's my favourite track... Regards, Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... From: 'richter_arne' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:40 am Subject: Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert > I think everybody who's heard the Nottingham 1976 concert has been > pretty much blown away. It was absolutely magnificent and I've heard > nothing as good since, not live anyway ... 'Me-Rad' has always been my favourite TD bootleg as this was one of the best shows TD ever played. I never managed to get a hold of 'Collected Endings', so now on the Tangerine Tree I got to hear the excellent Encore, or at least part of it, for the first time. Incredible, it is just as good as the 2 main tracks. What a shame that it fades out that early. I understand that on the original tape recording used for 'Collected Endings', the battery was getting empty and that's why the recording was pitching up towards the end, which was corrected now. Question: I would *love* to hear the full encore, isn't there any other tape recording, even of lower quality, that has this fantastic third track in full length? Why did the version that was used for the Tangerine Tree (which was from a different source than the Me-Rad one) not have the third track on it? Arne From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Venue anomaly for Nottingham 'Tree' concert > Why did the version that was used for the > Tangerine Tree (which was from a different source than the Me-Rad > one) not have the third track on it? When I first received the 2nd gen. version of Nottingham 76 about two months ago it just contained these two tracks. The encore was missing on that CDR, and the person who gave me it wrote 'absent due to lucricious speed problems!' on the inlay card, assuming that I wasn't interested in hearing a heavily slurring and pitching piece of music. So I asked Jerzy if it would be possible to use the encore instead which is on the 'Collected endings' boot CD , and so he did. He told me that it took him many hours to adjust the tape speed back to normal, and it must have been a pretty tiring job! Yesterday I finally received the 2nd gen. encore on CDR which is 100% the same as on 'Collected endings'..which is no wonder *since this recording was used for the production of the 'Me-rad' CD*!. As far as I know there exists no complete version of the encore, and most probably this is the only audience tape of Nottingham 76 that exists..but what a great one that is :-) Heiko From: TheInfection Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater Sunlight --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > General Relativity (29.03.86) or Parisian Dreams > (31.03.86), both fantasic > sound quality and some great music. Don't expect to > hear too much from > Underwater Sunlight itself though. IIRC all they > played live was Dolphin > Dance and Scuba Scuba. The music is mostly > variations on the album style. Yeah, I've got Parisian Dreams and the sound quality is fantastic. Is it going to be released in a tree someday? Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater Sunlight > Yeah, I've got Parisian Dreams and the sound quality > is fantastic. Is it going to be released in a tree someday? Well since most of the fans already have a pretty good sounding sorce of this broadcast I don't think that there will be such a big demand. But who knows.. I would love to hear the music without the fake applause loop, to be honest I find it a bit disturbing in places. But I have some other 1986 candidates right now: Montreal Place des Arts June 19, and Birmingham Odeon March 17, 1986. The latter needs to be remastered but the sound quality is already excellent as it seems to be a either mixing desk or a superb audience recording. A friend of mine in the UK (Hi Gerry!) loaned me his originals and wrote the following: 'The Birmingham 86 tapes that you love so much, I purchased at a record fair on the Saturday after I watched the band on the Monday, so I would hazard a guess that they are first generation recordings!. You could imagine my surprise when I saw them on the stall so soon after the concert. I actually do not think the band at the time ever turned in a performance like that again, it was a whole lot better than the first gig of the tour that I went to the previous Sunday at Leicester Demontfort Hall'. Heiko From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs gkopuy wrote: > > Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the > discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in europe). This > will speed up the delivery of the discs For countries from the European Union this is not a problem. I'm in Madeira island, Portugal, and my leaves in France and Holland received their CDRs 2 days after I send them by priority mail. For other european countries it usually takes not more than 1 week, if you use priority mail. Antonio From: Szatmari Pal Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people ----Eredeti üzenet---- Feladó: Szatmari Pal Címzett: tadream@yahoogroups.com Dátum: 2002. március 20. 21:59 Tárgy: Re: Legend DVD and Shy people >Hi List-members, > >I just re-subbed after being away for a long time but recently I have been >browsing the discussions in the archives. > >Now to the Legend thread: >I have been waiting for Legend to be released on DVD so that I could enjoy >some bonus material (for example soundtrack selection between the two >scores) and now it seems that the Ultimate Edition DVD will be kept for the >US market. It just sucks. I had hated DVD region codes but now I hate them >more than ever. The European release sucks big time: it includes the >European cut with Dolby stereo sound and the only bonus is an American >theatrical trailer. Ridiculous and pathetic if I compare the two releases. > >I have seen the European cut several times. I myself like Jerry Goldsmith. >Great composer but his Legend soundtrack is nothing special to me. When >later I bought the TD soundtrack on CD... wow. I felt it fit the movie like >a glove. >--------------- >Last night Shy people was shown on TV. Well, Mr. Konchalovsky does not seem >to be a music-lover :-P ... No music under main titles, actually no music >for 30 minutes... then some non-TD music and then only 3 or 4 inserts of TD >music 2 of which were lifted from The Park is Mine! Strange. >The movie itself was a let-down for me. > >Ciao, > >Pal > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32866 Viktigt om 'Legend' Rolf Elfström Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB 32867 Re: My last mail! Rolf Elfström Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB 32882 Re: Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people Michael A Jean Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB 32892 Re: Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people Szatmari Pal Fri 3/22/2002 2 KB 32893 Re: Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people michaeljean@e... Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB 32899 Re: Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people Szatmari Pal Fri 3/22/2002 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:45 pm Subject: Viktigt om 'Legend' Från Tangerine Dream-listan!!!!!!!!! > >I have been waiting for Legend to be released on DVD so that I could enjoy > >some bonus material (for example soundtrack selection between the two > >scores) and now it seems that the Ultimate Edition DVD will be kept for the > >US market. It just sucks. I had hated DVD region codes but now I hate them > >more than ever. The European release sucks big time: it includes the > >European cut with Dolby stereo sound and the only bonus is an American > >theatrical trailer. Ridiculous and pathetic if I compare the two releases. Lite surt, men väldigt typiskt! R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32867 Re: My last mail! Rolf Elfström Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:48 pm Subject: Re: My last mail! Sorry guys, ment to forward that last mail to my brother NOT send it to the list! =( Rolf From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations > Audience clapping on the TDI version is not from the concert. There was > also very quiet before the concert and no clapping. I recall that there was audience clapping before the show. I was clapping before the start of the second show :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32878 Re: Inferno observations Peter Ravn Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB 32895 Re: Inferno observations Wade Gordon Fri 3/22/2002 2 KB 32907 Re: Inferno observations vic rek Sat 3/23/2002 2 KB 33028 Re: Inferno observations tei waz Wed 3/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:31 pm Subject: Chris Franke interview on TT4 It's so funny! How many times is the interviewer going to say 'that's very nice'? Interesting point that Chris seemed to be planning on a solo album at the time. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32885 Re: Chris Franke interview on TT4 Armin Theissen Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB 32910 Re: Chris Franke interview on TT4 Klaus Beschorner Sat 3/23/2002 2 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater Sunlight Ken Beal wrote: > Question: > > What would the best ROIO be for The Underwater Sunlight tour or era? Well, I would say the Meadowbrook, Michigan show, but that was because I was there, and Edgar saved my life that night. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:14 pm Subject: [tree] Why things got stalled >-gkopuy wrote: > > > > Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the > > discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in europe). This > > will speed up the delivery of the discs > >For countries from the European Union this is not a problem. I'm in >Madeira island, Portugal, and my leaves in France and Holland received >their CDRs 2 days after I send them by priority mail. For other european >countries it usually takes not more than 1 week, if you use priority >mail. >-Antonio Looking at the tree, things broke down because there was actually TOO MUCH focus on minimizing mail charges from Europe to the US, and because the American tree was incredibly unbalanced. If you look at the tree, 1 sets of discs came to the US from Europe to Steve W. to handle 2 branches here. Then 1 set of discs comes to the US from Marcel E. to Joe Shoults and Herbert G. Herbert G has 7 branches under him Joe Shoults has 58 branches under him I really wish I had looked in detail at the tree earlier so I could have sounded the warning bells. 3 sets of discs should have come to the US, to create redundancy. And each of those 3 sets of discs should have gone to people VITAL to getting the tree expedited. If Steve W., Herbert G. and Joe Shoults are going to be the 3 people in the States getting the first discs, each one should have 24 branches under them. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32872 Re: [tree] Why things got stalled Joe Shoults Thu 3/21/2002 5 KB 32873 Re: [tree] Why things got stalled Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 3/21/2002 4 KB 32876 AW: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled H. Thu 3/21/2002 4 KB 32877 Re: [tree] Why things got stalled Joe Shoults Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB 32883 Re: [tree] Why things got stalled j.gordon Fri 3/22/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled yeah, I agree. It certainly doens't help either that my disks seem to be lost in space; if they had arrived when the rest of Marcel's leaves got theirs, we wouldn't be having this conversation because all of my sub branches would already be sending out to their leaves by now. Also, we've explored the option of making the SHN disks available for download, but it is not a viable option, certainly not a quick one as I had hoped. So, with this message, I am asking any European participants to contact me off list indicating their willingness to branch to more USA descendants. I don't want to stifle any trades that have already begun, but expedite by skipping some tree levels that are soon to receive theirs (presumably). I don't knwo if that made sense or not. If you have disks already and will take on even one more leaf, please contact me asap offlist. Thanks, joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:15 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled > > > > >-gkopuy wrote: > > > > > > Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the > > > discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in > europe). This > > > will speed up the delivery of the discs > > > >For countries from the European Union this is not a problem. I'm in > >Madeira island, Portugal, and my leaves in France and > Holland received > >their CDRs 2 days after I send them by priority mail. For > other european > >countries it usually takes not more than 1 week, if you use priority > >mail. > > >-Antonio > > Looking at the tree, things broke down because there was > actually TOO MUCH > focus on minimizing mail charges from Europe to the US, and > because the > American tree was incredibly unbalanced. > > If you look at the tree, 1 sets of discs came to the US from > Europe to > Steve W. to handle 2 branches here. > > Then 1 set of discs comes to the US from Marcel E. to Joe Shoults and > Herbert G. > Herbert G has 7 branches under him > Joe Shoults has 58 branches under him > > I really wish I had looked in detail at the tree earlier so I > could have > sounded the warning bells. > > 3 sets of discs should have come to the US, to create > redundancy. And each > of those 3 sets of discs should have gone to people VITAL to > getting the > tree expedited. If Steve W., Herbert G. and Joe Shoults are > going to be the > 3 people in the States getting the first discs, each one > should have 24 > branches under them. > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled Yes a load balancing act.. Perfect world of course.. I think I would have taken the three primary and sent to three more to create a 6 main branch... but then again I am crazy. I know it will happen, one way or another. Time is not the enemy. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled > > >-gkopuy wrote: > > > > > > Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the > > > discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in europe). This > > > will speed up the delivery of the discs > > > >For countries from the European Union this is not a problem. I'm in > >Madeira island, Portugal, and my leaves in France and Holland received > >their CDRs 2 days after I send them by priority mail. For other european > >countries it usually takes not more than 1 week, if you use priority > >mail. > > >-Antonio > > Looking at the tree, things broke down because there was actually TOO MUCH > focus on minimizing mail charges from Europe to the US, and because the > American tree was incredibly unbalanced. > > If you look at the tree, 1 sets of discs came to the US from Europe to > Steve W. to handle 2 branches here. > > Then 1 set of discs comes to the US from Marcel E. to Joe Shoults and > Herbert G. > Herbert G has 7 branches under him > Joe Shoults has 58 branches under him > > I really wish I had looked in detail at the tree earlier so I could have > sounded the warning bells. > > 3 sets of discs should have come to the US, to create redundancy. And each > of those 3 sets of discs should have gone to people VITAL to getting the > tree expedited. If Steve W., Herbert G. and Joe Shoults are going to be the > 3 people in the States getting the first discs, each one should have 24 > branches under them. > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:20 pm Subject: if a tree stalls will anyone hear it? sorry had to write that subject line, but seriously. Some of this tree is from 1974, so it's not like we've waited that long. :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:20 pm Subject: Technical Help (Off Topic) Hello All, There is a pet project that I have been mulling over for some time, and have finally decided to try and put it together. But I need some help and/or advice on a couple of things. First - does anyone happen to have an older version of Real Player they would be willing to share? I do not need all the extra stuff offered by the new RealOne and my trial version has died. I know a regular version was available, but somewhere along the lines mine has been deleted. Second - I tried to download something from a website and it came in as a .RAM file. 1) without Real Player I cannot listen to it. 2)I cannot burn a copy of this as a RAM file and listen to it on a regular CD Player (or can I?) How can I convert this .RAM file to a .WAV file so I might burn it and listen on any CD player? Finally - does someone have a good working knowledge of, (and a extra copy of.....?) an OLDER mixing program? I say older because my computer is of an older nature, (monthly I still need to buy a new Rat and re-wind the rubberband) and the newer, high powered mixing programs will simply overpower my slow, dinky little machine. Very sorry for the off topicness of this post. But there simply isn't the technical expertise available to me anywhere else than these lists!!! And of course, please contact me off list with your help, suggestions, or just irate letters informing me of my waste of precious bandwidth. Thanks Neal From: 'H.' Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:33 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled i'm aware that manually balancing a tree like this (with some restrictions) is definitely a np complete problem which might need some tool support. are there any guys (or girls) out there who think about the same and would like to try to create some tool support for this problem? (i'm a quite poor vb programmer :))) ) Herbert (trying to create a subdivision of the tangerine tree to create some tool support) > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Marz 2002 19:15 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled > > > > >-gkopuy wrote: > > > > > > Maybe a idea for the next Tangerine Tree: Try to keep sending the > > > discs as much as possible within one country (esp. in > europe). This > > > will speed up the delivery of the discs > > > >For countries from the European Union this is not a problem. I'm in > >Madeira island, Portugal, and my leaves in France and > Holland received > >their CDRs 2 days after I send them by priority mail. For > other european > >countries it usually takes not more than 1 week, if you use priority > >mail. > > >-Antonio > > Looking at the tree, things broke down because there was > actually TOO MUCH > focus on minimizing mail charges from Europe to the US, and > because the > American tree was incredibly unbalanced. > > If you look at the tree, 1 sets of discs came to the US from > Europe to > Steve W. to handle 2 branches here. > > Then 1 set of discs comes to the US from Marcel E. to Joe Shoults and > Herbert G. > Herbert G has 7 branches under him > Joe Shoults has 58 branches under him > > I really wish I had looked in detail at the tree earlier so I > could have > sounded the warning bells. > > 3 sets of discs should have come to the US, to create > redundancy. And each > of those 3 sets of discs should have gone to people VITAL to > getting the > tree expedited. If Steve W., Herbert G. and Joe Shoults are > going to be the > 3 people in the States getting the first discs, each one > should have 24 > branches under them. > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled If you build an online app where people can log in and manage their own profiles and log their trades and such, go for it! I was thinking of the same thing, but my bandwidth (tree notwithstanding) is maxxed at least for 3 months. > -----Original Message----- > From: H. [mailto:gae@g...] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:33 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: AW: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled > > > i'm aware that manually balancing a tree like this (with some > restrictions) > is definitely a np complete problem which might need some > tool support. > are there any guys (or girls) out there who think about the > same and would > like to try to create some tool support for this problem? > (i'm a quite poor > vb programmer :))) ) > > Herbert > (trying to create a subdivision of the tangerine tree to > create some tool > support) > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32883 Re: [tree] Why things got stalled j.gordon Fri 3/22/2002 4 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations Hi Yes Vic you (and somebody more...) clapped for about 10 seconds before the second show started! Vic continued for a couple seconds more...:-) BTW, The TDI version starts with a 17 seconds clapping... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations > > Audience clapping on the TDI version is not from the concert. There was > > also very quiet before the concert and no clapping. > > I recall that there was audience clapping before the show. I was clapping > before the start of the second show :-) > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'mars103nl' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:35 am Subject: Re: [tree] Calling All FTPs --- In tadream@y..., 'gkopuy' wrote: > Hi, > > I want to participate in uploading the SHN discs of TT1 to Dale Kay. > But therefore I need the following information: > * FTP site > * Username and password to login > * Which SHN discs I should upload (I'm willing to upload 2 or 3 discs > more if needed..) I'm uploading Volume1 right now and I believe Herbert is uploading Volume4. Yesterday the FTP site got disconnected (after I started uploading and went to bed) but started it again this morning. It could all be finished this weekend I guess. > Marcel are you the guy how played with Kubusschnitt at the Alfa > Centauri fesitval?? Yes that was me. Were you there? Stephen Parsick and Jens couldn't participate so I volunteered to play with them. If you were there did you like it? I must say I hadn't even practised with Kubusschnitt. :-) Some pics are at: http://www.alfacentauri.nl Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Kevin Keller Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:22 am Subject: Planetarium Concert in SF 3.24.02 - Reminder Please join the Kevin Keller Trio for an evening of classical space music under the stars of the Morrison Planetarium in Golden Gate Park. Sit back and enjoy music for cello, bass, and keyboards, while the stars and galaxies swirl overhead. Concert features music from the new CD 'Across the Sky', plus a tribute to 'Rubycon' by Tangerine Dream. Advance tickets only available through tomorrow (3.23.02). Kevin Keller Trio (Tania Simoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass, Kevin Keller/keyboards) Across the Sky - CD Release Concert Opening Set by DJ Jonas/Tranquility Base Sunday, March 24, 2002 8 PM (Doors open at 7:30 PM) Morrison Planetarium California Academy of Science http://www.calacademy.org Golden Gate Park, San Francisco Admission: $12.50 advance/$15 at the door Tickets available online at http://www.ticketweb.com Free download of 'Across the Sky II' available until 3.31.02 at http://www.kevinkeller.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:52 am Subject: Tickets for the next Tangerine Dream concert Tickets for the forthcoming Tangerine Dream concert (June 15, 2002 in Berlin) can be ordered via 'http://www.ticketonline.de'. They are using a secure online server (hint hint ;-) I just ordered a ticket for the 1st category and hope to see some of you crazy guys again! :-) Heiko From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 11:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people Welcome back! I don't remember that being the case with SHY PEOPLE at all... What senes included music from the PARK IS MINE? And I don't recall there being any non-TD music. Maybe I'll need to watch the video sometime soon. MJ > >Last night Shy people was shown on TV. Well, Mr. Konchalovsky > does not seem > >to be a music-lover :-P ... No music under main titles, actually no music > >for 30 minutes... then some non-TD music and then only 3 or 4 > inserts of TD > >music 2 of which were lifted from The Park is Mine! Strange. > >The movie itself was a let-down for me. > > > >Ciao, > > > >Pal > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled you'll forgive me if this comes across as being ill-educated or stupid, but i'm not sure that i see the need for vb or any other tool besides a simple spread sheet... diagramatically (isn't that a nice made-up word?), our tree is not a tree, but an upside-down pyramid... or should be... for balance it might go something like this: split it between north america and europe (other countries on other continents get handled on a case by case basis as there aren't that many, as far as i can see)... heiko sends his batch out to say ten people, five in europe, five in the usa... i realize that this is quite a bit, and it may mean that it takes a little longer for all the primary branches to have theirs, but this is the most important copy, right? those five have say five branches each... even if they can do more, limit it to five... let another branch under them handle it... now we've got 25 branches, who can each do say three branches under them... that's seventy five-leaves/branches handled in the third layer alone... what level of branch you are is determined by how many leaves/branches you can handle... if you can do five, you are in the first level until the first five slots on this layer are filled... if you can only do four or three, you are in the next layer until all the spots are filled... and to make it even clearer, a big tree can be drawn... make all the little boxes empty, filling in the names as you go... it would look like: one box at the very top... connected to this are ten first level boxes: five for europe, five for north america... conncected to each one of these ten boxes are five second level boxes... and to each one of these 25 second level boxes are three third level boxes... and at last, each one of these third level boxes has two boxes attached to it... for one continent alone, if all those boxes got filled, there would have to be 255 participants... then as names come in and people say they can be a branch with x amount of leaves/branches, then their name fills up a box on that level... if they are just a leaf, then they get set in the last level... anyway, if you do this, then as names come in with people saying what they can do, it will become very clear, very quickly if there are any holes and it is impossible to give one person more than they can handle... and stalls due to problems can be taken over by substituting one name at a certain split in the tree, having everything under that spot in the tree stay the same... so, that's my 'simple' idea, which would require no programming, and can be used with the existing members... viola ... 8`b jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: CD for sale Hi all, I have an CD for sale: Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3 / limited edition of 1000 this is No. 478 / 12 Tracks / released on AMP Records AMP-CD042 with new Tracks from Johannes Schmölling, Harald Grosskopf , Mario Schönwälder/Detlef keller and Robert Schröder and many more offer`s please off_list, thank you Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke interview on TT4 I once send a letter to TD asking a couple of questions - that was about 1980/81 (I was 14 years old). On my question on solo albums, I was told in the answer that solo albums of Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling were in preparation. I guess that this was just they standard answer. armin > > It's so funny! How many times is the interviewer going to say 'that's very > nice'? > > Interesting point that Chris seemed to be planning on a solo album at > the time. > > Dennis > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Electronic Music Concerts 2002 Worthy of cross posting. I hope this interests you. Cheers, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Chuck van Zyl To: beyond_em@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [beyond_em] Electronic Music Concerts 2002 >The Gathering Concert Series schedule for 2002 is now set: > >Robert Rich - 23 March >Erik Wollo - 27 April >Steve Roach/Vidna Obmana - 26 May >Rudy Adrian - 21 September >Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin + Dave Fulton - 19 October >Ashra (Manuel Gottsching) - 16 November > >The concerts will take place in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's Hamilton >Village, 3916 Locust Walk (east of 40th & Locust) on the Penn campus in >Philadelphia, PA U S A. Please access the website for complete series details >incuding info on admission and advance ticketing: http://www.thegatherings.org > >thanks! > >-chuckv From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:22 pm Subject: tree web app (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled sorry to be unclear; what I was talking about was essentially a simple website with a login, so participants could go in and record that they had received their disks and such. I wasn't talking about an app that creates the branching assignments - unless you could 'pick' from a pool of available branches... yes now that I'm thinking about it that would work. Everybody logs in as a branch or leaf; the branches are sorted by location, and you pick your own branch- or leaf - from a pool of remaining choices. once a branch is maxxed out, they no longer appear in the list. It would work. Then you can log in and record when you've got your disks and your status will appear in the tree chart. I can wrap my head around the specs and architecture, but I won't be able to build it unless I got about 20-30 free and clear hours. > -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > not sure that i see the need for vb or any other tool besides > a simple spread > sheet... From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:14 pm Subject: CF interview I have not read that interview yet, but Armin said: I once send a letter to TD asking a couple of questions - that was about 1980/81 (I was 14 years old). On my question on solo albums, I was told in the answer that solo albums of Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling were in preparation. I guess that this was just they standard answer. After a TD concert in 1980 I asked CF when his solo would be coming out and he told me next summer. Actually it took a few more summers......... but it was worth waiting for. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:35 pm Subject: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got sta lled also, i've noticed that some branches have indicated that they are waiting to send disks to the branches until they receive the blanks from them. Since I bought a spindle just for this project, I have all the blanks I need ahead of time, and those will just be replaced by the blanks that the leaves send me. for me, it's a 'wash', but an up-front investment for the blanks was needed to make this possible, which some branches might not be willing to make. and of course the assumption is that my leaves will eventually send me the blanks in return. So I'm not waiting for anything, but trusting that they will reciprocate, which is a safe assumption, I think. anyway, my point is that with as many levels as I created for this tree, it is particularly vulnerable to this 'Hold them till I get my blanks' method. Iknow this isn't exactly rocket science, and I made it more complicated than it needed to be (didn't someone warn about that early on? ;-) but we have learned and will do it different for phase 2, unless you all run me out on a rail! ;-) From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:32 pm Subject: Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled Joe I did the same thing. I bought two 50 disk spindles and a 50 Maxwell set. I even bought a case of plastic cases as I will be using them for my wife project later this spring. So I padded it a tad to get my stuff in under the table. I am all set. Just got to get them burned now. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled > also, i've noticed that some branches have indicated that they are waiting > to send disks to the branches until they receive the blanks from them. > Since I bought a spindle just for this project, I have all the blanks I need > ahead of time, and those will just be replaced by the blanks that the leaves > send me. for me, it's a 'wash', but an up-front investment for the blanks > was needed to make this possible, which some branches might not be willing > to make. and of course the assumption is that my leaves will eventually > send me the blanks in return. So I'm not waiting for anything, but trusting > that they will reciprocate, which is a safe assumption, I think. anyway, my > point is that with as many levels as I created for this tree, it is > particularly vulnerable to this 'Hold them till I get my blanks' method. > Iknow this isn't exactly rocket science, and I made it more complicated than > it needed to be (didn't someone warn about that early on? ;-) but we have > learned and will do it different for phase 2, unless you all run me out on a > rail! ;-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32891 AW: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree H. Fri 3/22/2002 5 KB 32898 Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree maggior Fri 3/22/2002 5 KB 32901 Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 3/22/2002 6 KB From: 'H.' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: AW: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled simply start the burning process of disk 4 (after you've joined the parts) :))) Herbert just do it (stolen from nike) > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Marz 2002 20:33 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things > got stalled > > > Joe > I did the same thing. I bought two 50 disk spindles and a 50 > Maxwell set. I > even bought a case of plastic cases as I will be using them > for my wife > project later this spring. So I padded it a tad to get my > stuff in under the > table. I am all set. Just got to get them burned now. > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:35 AM > Subject: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got > stalled > > > > also, i've noticed that some branches have indicated that > they are waiting > > to send disks to the branches until they receive the blanks > from them. > > Since I bought a spindle just for this project, I have all > the blanks I > need > > ahead of time, and those will just be replaced by the > blanks that the > leaves > > send me. for me, it's a 'wash', but an up-front investment > for the blanks > > was needed to make this possible, which some branches might > not be willing > > to make. and of course the assumption is that my leaves > will eventually > > send me the blanks in return. So I'm not waiting for anything, but > trusting > > that they will reciprocate, which is a safe assumption, I > think. anyway, > my > > point is that with as many levels as I created for this tree, it is > > particularly vulnerable to this 'Hold them till I get my > blanks' method. > > Iknow this isn't exactly rocket science, and I made it more > complicated > than > > it needed to be (didn't someone warn about that early on? > ;-) but we have > > learned and will do it different for phase 2, unless you > all run me out on > a > > rail! ;-) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Szatmari Pal Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people >Welcome back! Thanx. >I don't remember that being the case with SHY PEOPLE at all... Well, I dare hope there aren't two versions of that movie (an American and a European one) hehe... >What senes included music from the PARK IS MINE? And I don't recall there >being any non-TD music. Two scenes had some ambient music (the same excerpt) from track5 of TPIM if I am not mistaken. Lots of non-TD music for example the first piece of music in the film was coming from the radio. There was a long list of tracks in the End titles. >Maybe I'll need to watch the video sometime soon. > >MJ > From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:24 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people >I don't remember that being the case with SHY PEOPLE at all... Well, I dare hope there aren't two versions of that movie (an American and a European one) hehe... IF THERE IS, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT.... >What senes included music from the PARK IS MINE? And I don't recall there >being any non-TD music. Two scenes had some ambient music (the same excerpt) from track5 of TPIM if I am not mistaken. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT... Lots of non-TD music for example the first piece of music in the film was coming from the radio. There was a long list of tracks in the End titles. IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, THE PIECE COMING FROM THE RADIO WAS TD'S 'DANCING ON A WHITE MOON'. MJ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: michaeljean@e... Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: VIRUS Virus Information Library Search Center Search for Viruses beginning with containing ending with Limit search to: Keyword Search Advanced Search Virus Profile Virus Name:Risk Assessment: W32/MyLife.b@M... Medium Virus Information: Date Discovered:3/21/2002 Date Added:3/21/2002 Origin:Unknown Length:41,984 bytes (UPX packed) Type:Virus SubType:E-mail DAT Required:4193 Quick Links: Virus Characteristics Indications of Infection Method of Infection Removal Instructions Aliases Send Virus Info via Email Update ActiveShield Perform a Scan Download the latest DAT files Virus Characteristics: Detection for this threat wass added to the 4193 DAT files on March 22. Alternatively an EXTRA.DAT is available below. This mass-mailing worm, written in Visual Basic 6, uses Microsoft Outlook to send itself to all addresses in the Outlook Address book and addresses on the MSN Messenger contact list. It arrives in an email containing the following information: Subject:bill caricature Attachment:cari.scr The attachment is a UPX packed PE file. When executed on the local machine, the following image is displayed whilst the worm copies itself to the System folder, and uses Outlook to propagate itself to all address found in the Outlook Address book and addresses on the MSN Messenger contact list: The following Registry key is added to ensure the worm is executed at subsequent system startup: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ Run\win=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\cari.scr Upon restarting the machine, the worm does not propagate again, and the above image is not displayed. When the worm is run from the SYSTEM directory and the hour is 8am, the worm deletes the following files: *.* from C:\ D:\ E:\ and F:\ *.SYS, *.VXD, *.OCX and *.NLS from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM The most likely scenario for this occurrence is for a system to become infected on one day, and the system files to be deleted the next, when the machine is rebooted or powered on in the morning. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32896 Re: VIRUS Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 3/22/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations Vic, Do you reccomend the disc?? And how goes the planning for the next Oke gig? Wade --- vic rek wrote: > > Audience clapping on the TDI version is not from > the concert. There was > > also very quiet before the concert and no > clapping. > > I recall that there was audience clapping before the > show. I was clapping > before the start of the second show :-) > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] VIRUS And what are you trying to tell us? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: [tadream] VIRUS From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:53 pm Subject: Virus Note >Virus Information Library Search Center > >Search for Viruses >beginning with containing ending with >Limit search to: > >Keyword Search Advanced Search Please don't send these. Some of us use Eudora and don't have to worry about viruses. To date, since 1995, there have been no security patches for Eudora. Things that make you go HMM! -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32900 Re: Virus Note Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 3/22/2002 3 KB 32911 Re: Virus Note John Vertical Sat 3/23/2002 2 KB 32912 Re: Virus Note Admin Sat 3/23/2002 4 KB From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:14 pm Subject: Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled Some of us have never participated in a tree before and were strictly going by the instructions described by a link provided on the web page for the project. The procedure described there was the 'B & P (Blanks and Postage) Method'. Having never done this before, I chose to follow the procedure closely. I'm sure there are many others participating in this project that are in the same boat. If this is seen as a non-efficient way of propogating music through the tree, why was it suggested? As long as there is good communication through the branch, I don't see how sending blanks up the branch introduces problems. I have blanks from 2 of my 3 descendants ready to go (and have had them for weeks). I used the 'B&P' method in the DW II tree with much success. (Great music by the way!!!) I don't mean to be negative or critical, I'm just frustrated. Thanks, Rich Maggio --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > Joe > I did the same thing. I bought two 50 disk spindles and a 50 Maxwell set. I > even bought a case of plastic cases as I will be using them for my wife > project later this spring. So I padded it a tad to get my stuff in under the > table. I am all set. Just got to get them burned now. > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:35 AM > Subject: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got > stalled > > > > also, i've noticed that some branches have indicated that they are waiting > > to send disks to the branches until they receive the blanks from them. > > Since I bought a spindle just for this project, I have all the blanks I > need > > ahead of time, and those will just be replaced by the blanks that the > leaves > > send me. for me, it's a 'wash', but an up-front investment for the blanks > > was needed to make this possible, which some branches might not be willing > > to make. and of course the assumption is that my leaves will eventually > > send me the blanks in return. So I'm not waiting for anything, but > trusting > > that they will reciprocate, which is a safe assumption, I think. anyway, > my > > point is that with as many levels as I created for this tree, it is > > particularly vulnerable to this 'Hold them till I get my blanks' method. > > Iknow this isn't exactly rocket science, and I made it more complicated > than > > it needed to be (didn't someone warn about that early on? ;-) but we have > > learned and will do it different for phase 2, unless you all run me out on > a > > rail! ;-) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: Szatmari Pal Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:20 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Fw: Legend DVD and Shy people >IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, THE PIECE COMING FROM THE RADIO WAS TD'S 'DANCING ON A WHITE MOON'. > > >MJ I don't recall any dancing on a white moon ;-)) in the movie. Anyway, TD was scarce in the movie - that was a big surprise for me. Pal From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Note that is nice... I still prefer my outlook / outlook express however. I do know what you are saying. I had a older version of Eudora and liked it. I switch backed long ago to MS as that is how my needs worked. Like right now, I am taking some on-line classes, they only support outlook express via the IMAP way of e-mail. They had not thought of a Eudora way. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: [tadream] Virus Note > > >Virus Information Library Search Center > > > >Search for Viruses > >beginning with containing ending with > >Limit search to: > > > >Keyword Search Advanced Search > > > Please don't send these. > > > Some of us use Eudora and don't have to worry about viruses. To date, since > 1995, there have been no security patches for Eudora. Things that make you > go HMM! > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled yes There is progress being made with the FTP. Some of the SHN's are on that system now. I will have to stich them up to burn or Joe will on a download. There are things in progress in the background trying to speed things up. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'maggior' To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: Re: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things got stalled > Some of us have never participated in a tree before and were strictly > going by the instructions described by a link provided on the web > page for the project. The procedure described there was the 'B & P > (Blanks and Postage) Method'. Having never done this before, I chose > to follow the procedure closely. I'm sure there are many others > participating in this project that are in the same boat. > > If this is seen as a non-efficient way of propogating music through > the tree, why was it suggested? > > As long as there is good communication through the branch, I don't > see how sending blanks up the branch introduces problems. I have > blanks from 2 of my 3 descendants ready to go (and have had them for > weeks). I used the 'B&P' method in the DW II tree with much success. > (Great music by the way!!!) > > I don't mean to be negative or critical, I'm just frustrated. > > Thanks, > Rich Maggio > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > wrote: > > Joe > > I did the same thing. I bought two 50 disk spindles and a 50 > Maxwell set. I > > even bought a case of plastic cases as I will be using them for my > wife > > project later this spring. So I padded it a tad to get my stuff in > under the > > table. I am all set. Just got to get them burned now. > > > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and > Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:35 AM > > Subject: another observation (was RE: [tadream] [tree] Why things > got > > stalled > > > > > > > also, i've noticed that some branches have indicated that they > are waiting > > > to send disks to the branches until they receive the blanks from > them. > > > Since I bought a spindle just for this project, I have all the > blanks I > > need > > > ahead of time, and those will just be replaced by the blanks that > the > > leaves > > > send me. for me, it's a 'wash', but an up-front investment for > the blanks > > > was needed to make this possible, which some branches might not > be willing > > > to make. and of course the assumption is that my leaves will > eventually > > > send me the blanks in return. So I'm not waiting for anything, > but > > trusting > > > that they will reciprocate, which is a safe assumption, I think. > anyway, > > my > > > point is that with as many levels as I created for this tree, it > is > > > particularly vulnerable to this 'Hold them till I get my blanks' > method. > > > Iknow this isn't exactly rocket science, and I made it more > complicated > > than > > > it needed to be (didn't someone warn about that early on? ;-) > but we have > > > learned and will do it different for phase 2, unless you all run > me out on > > a > > > rail! ;-) > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:54 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Virus Note/Robert Rich Sorry I started this... Anyway, who is going to the Robert Rich concert tomorrow in Philly? I'll be there... MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k... Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:49:52 -0800 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Note that is nice... I still prefer my outlook / outlook express however. I do know what you are saying. I had a older version of Eudora and liked it. I switch backed long ago to MS as that is how my needs worked. Like right now, I am taking some on-line classes, they only support outlook express via the IMAP way of e-mail. They had not thought of a Eudora way. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: [tadream] Virus Note > > >Virus Information Library Search Center > > > >Search for Viruses > >beginning with containing ending with > >Limit search to: > > > >Keyword Search Advanced Search > > > Please don't send these. > > > Some of us use Eudora and don't have to worry about viruses. To date, since > 1995, there have been no security patches for Eudora. Things that make you > go HMM! > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: tom george Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 2:08 am Subject: Spacious cd > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:11:24 -0000 > From: 'gyedid01' > Subject: Re: Tribute to Tangerine Dream > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' > wrote: > > > > Spacious synthesizers (Arp 2600, ARP analog > sequencer, > > > ARP Odyssey, Mini Moog, Mellotron) > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > This cd is very reminiscent of the 'Melrose', > 'Le > > > Parc' > > > era. > > > > Now that is a mystery to me! > > How can this CD sound like Melrose if they used > > these instruments??? It's impossible. Exactly my meaning Gabe. > > The synth sounds may not be Melrose-like, but the > style of the music > might be. (not that I'd know, not having heard this > disc either) > > > Gabe No it is not either one of the 'Tribute to TD' cds. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Technical Help (Off Topic) Part 2 > > If we knew the exact nature of your system (Windows 95? Pentium II?) we > could be considerably more helpful. > > -Morgan > Morgan......and others, My system is a slow 133Mhz system with 64M of RAM. I am saving to build a brand new system this summer. Windows 98 & 98Plus Um.......as I started receiving the help from all of you wonderfully nice people, I remembered a CDR a good friend of mine gave me for Christmas 1998. A CDR filed with music mixing and editing programs that I had completely forgotten about. Not until you all started throwing out these different programs did I FINALLY remember this CDR. I have listed everything that is on this CDR below. Now all I need is help in figuring out what all these different programs do exactly, and which one is best for my different needs. ********************* Audiograbber 1.31 Soundforge 4.5 EzCD Creator (I think the original) Audio Spectrum Analyzer Audiograb Awave v4.4 Cakewalk 7 RC3 COOLEDIT 1.1 DART Pro Noise Reduction Diamond Cut Tools v2.02 Disc Juggler CD Duplicator DSP-FX DirectX v3.18 Hyperprism DX v1.01 Magneto DirectX v1.0 MaxxBass v2.3 Mellosoftron v2.3 build 302 MPEG Layer-3 Audio Producer Opcode Fusion Filter v1.0 Opcode Fusion Vinyl v1.1 Opcode Fusion Vocoder 1.2 Qtools-AX DirectX v1.0 Rebirth 338 v1.5 +cracks and Mods Sonic Foundry XFX Vols 1, 2, &3 Soundforge 4.0D build 201 Soundforge 4.5 TC Native Reverb DirectX Waves C1 + Compressor ************************** I only have about 8MB of hardrive space, so I guess I will have to start clearing out some space to install the programs I end up using. Neal From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 4:11 am Subject: [tree] B+P >Some of us have never participated in a tree before and were strictly >going by the instructions described by a link provided on the web >page for the project. The procedure described there was the 'B & P >(Blanks and Postage) Method'. Having never done this before, I chose >to follow the procedure closely. I'm sure there are many others >participating in this project that are in the same boat. > >If this is seen as a non-efficient way of propogating music through >the tree, why was it suggested? > >As long as there is good communication through the branch, I don't >see how sending blanks up the branch introduces problems. I have >blanks from 2 of my 3 descendants ready to go (and have had them for >weeks). I used the 'B&P' method in the DW II tree with much success. >(Great music by the way!!!) > >I don't mean to be negative or critical, I'm just frustrated. > >Thanks, >Rich Maggio Rich, In the process of the tree being decided, I was vehement (And so were a few others) about putting a monetary value of 50 cents to $1 per CD. In other words, if you are getting the redbook version of the Tree, you could either send $6-8 up to your branch, or 10 CDRs and $2 for postage. Buying a spindle of CDs does not prevent anyone from doing blanks and postage. If everyone goes ahead and sends their blanks and postage up the tree, then yes we don't need a spindle. No efficiency has been gained or lost by either method. This is not why the tree is moving slowly. The tree is moving slowly because it was not balanced. Steps are being taken to jumpstart the tree and I would be surprised if everyone were not squared away by the end of May. And the next time, it won't happen like this, it will be smoother. It's free music. Let's not get so upset.. (not pointed at you Rich, or at anyone else specifically!) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32908 Re: [tree] B+P E Neal Frost Sat 3/23/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 5:01 am Subject: non-efficient way to propagate >non-efficient way of propogating music through the tree, why was it suggested? IIRC, 'cause the way someone suggested it be propagated _a la_ a mike oldfield mailing list got shot down. That way would have the bottom folks send their blanks to the top and then all the discs go thru the mail only in one direction......which could work well in lieu of b&p but may not if you want to trade other music with your branch (a typical option when 'tree'ing) which also avoid the same discs being mailed twice. There were other issues --like format--shn vs. redbook vs. mp3 as well as extraction methods (exactaudiocopy vs. others), quality control and duplicating equipment issues. Just more things to complicate the trades seemingly ad nauseum. Bottom line decisions needed to be made and were and clearly are being evaluated.... --T 'all good things in all good time' _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 5:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations From: Wade Gordon > Do you reccomend the disc?? I don't have my disc yet. I will have copies for sale starting April 8th. I will also have the latest Jerome Froese 12' for sale too. > And how goes the planning for the next Oke gig? Well, we have 1-2 spots left and I'm finalizing the musician lineup. Anyone interested to attend, please contact me or visit http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm The dates are nearing which are April 19-23. I'll be sending out a more complete post soon. Vic From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 7:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] B+P . > > It's free music. Let's not get so upset.. (not pointed at you Rich, or at > anyone else specifically!) > > -Morgan That has always been the part I kept in mind. Why be impatient to receive free music. It will come when it comes. From what I am hearing from the people that have there's already, it will be well worth waiting for!!! Neal From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 7:14 am Subject: out of town I will be out of town until Sunday night, just in case someone does not get a quick response from me this weekend. Neal From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 8:41 am Subject: Re: Chris Franke interview on TT4 >On my question on solo albums, >I was told in the answer that solo albums of Chris Franke and >Johannes Schmoelling were in preparation. I guess that this was just >they standard answer. Indeed, and because it was true. I remember , a while before he left TD, Chris mentioning that he had just celebrated either the 10. or 15. anniversary (memory fails me) of his still-unfulfilled solo album contract ;-) A short demo can be heard on the CDR 'Rare Trax 2'. best regards, klaus From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Note > > Please don't send these. > > > > > > Some of us use Eudora and don't have to worry about viruses. To date, >since > > 1995, there have been no security patches for Eudora. Things that make >you > > go HMM! > > > > -Morgan Perhaps some of us don't have to worry about viruses (like us Mac users), but remeber that viruses are always aimed at the systems most people still use. Why not warn the majority? Did you suffer from having to read one message more? Now, you've started a discussion that even more people not interested of have to suffer of... ;-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Note As mean as this sounds, it was just a mistake. I agree with you that it wont hurt to read it. I do disagree with you that there is no Mac virus. If this was true I would not be paid to fix MAC systems when they are brought to me. I note that you are taking precautions by using a hotmail account. That is fine too. I don't think anyone is writing viruses for CPM these days, shall we all switch back to CPM? You are so right in saying that the folks who spend time doing these little evils, do so for the OS's being used the most. That is sort of saying that the primary language in Germany is German (as us dumb Americans would call it). I just get a chuckle that the virus warning made it to this group. I had the same message sent to me in 5 of my e-mail address in the past two days. Why? I subscribed to several lists that send me the warnings so I can take action to protect the systems I guard over. This one must be rather cool as I can not think of a single previous virus getting such attention as this one, to all 5 of the subscriptions address. So, I also find myself agreeing with you to let this thread die. As so it should. If I get this one captured, I will add it to my collection. I do get a kick out of taking them apart and studying the code. Very few are well written however. Which also goes to say that the folks who do these things are not really the Hacks they wish to be. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Note > > > Please don't send these. > > > > > > > > > Some of us use Eudora and don't have to worry about viruses. To date, > >since > > > 1995, there have been no security patches for Eudora. Things that make > >you > > > go HMM! > > > > > > -Morgan > > > Perhaps some of us don't have to worry about viruses (like us Mac users), > but remeber that viruses are always aimed at the systems most people still > use. Why not warn the majority? Did you suffer from having to read one > message more? Now, you've started a discussion that even more people not > interested of have to suffer of... ;-) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: ampmusic Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1277 > From: > Subject: CD for sale > > Hi all, > > I have an CD for sale: > > Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3 / limited edition of 1000 this is No. 478 / 12 Tracks / released on AMP Records AMP-CD042 > > with new Tracks from Johannes Schmölling, Harald Grosskopf , Mario Schönwälder/Detlef keller and Robert Schröder and many more > > offer`s please off_list, thank you > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > www.tribute-to-ashra.de And new copies continue to be available from Cue in Germany, Groove in the Netherlands, Eurock and Artists Shop in the USA, or direct from the label (from which the price including worldwide mailing is only 10 UKP/15 USD/15 Euro) at; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32914 Re: Digest Number 1277 heineu Sat 3/23/2002 3 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:16 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 1277 Hi , but my copy has a lower number as the Cd`s that you arrived from Amp Music. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de BTW: I ordered today my ticket for the Museumsinsel Concert 15.06.2002 in Berlin - Tangerine Dream Live!!!! --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > > From: > > Subject: CD for sale > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have an CD for sale: > > > > Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3 / limited edition of 1000 this is No. 478 / 12 Tracks / released on AMP Records AMP-CD042 > > > > with new Tracks from Johannes Schmölling, Harald Grosskopf , Mario Schönwälder/Detlef keller and Robert Schröder and many more > > > > offer`s please off_list, thank you > > > > Regards > > heiko > > www.opticaldream.de > > www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > And new copies continue to be available from Cue in Germany, Groove in > the Netherlands, Eurock and Artists Shop in the USA, or direct from the > label (from which the price including worldwide mailing is only 10 > UKP/15 USD/15 Euro) at; > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 and T Shirt! Hi All! If anyone is interested I have an extra DM3 package still in the original shipping box.Both items are still wrapped in plastic.If you want it just contact me off list with offers. Rick If no offers I will list on Ebay From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 6:38 pm Subject: A discovery of sorts It's quite widely known that the voices in Monolight around 3.20 can also be found from Dominion. Guess what? I just realized that Yellowstone Park has a third appearence! It's found just after 5.30, and probably elsewhere too.. Not exactly striking news, but I thought I'd let you know. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 7:14 pm Subject: last week offer`s !!! Hello, last week for my ASHRA CD March offer!!! here comes again the CD`s for reduced prices: CD / ASHRA - @shra -Live Japan Vol. 1 (MG.ART 201) / D s/s / US $ 15.50 CD / ASHRA - @shra Live Japan Vol. 2 (MG.ART 202) / D / s/s / US $ 15.50 3CD / ASHRA - The Making of (Correlations) (MG.ART 203) / D / s/s / US $ 33.50 CD / ASHRA - Sauce Hollandaise (Manikin MRCD 9801) / D / m/m / US $ 14.50 CD / ASH RA TEMPEL - Friendship (Manikin MRCD 7048) / D / m/m / US $ 14.50 (with Klaus Schulze) CD / ASH RA TEMPEL - Gin Rose (Mankin MRCD 7049) / D / m/m / US $ 14.50 ( with Klaus Schulze) 2CD / ASH RA TEMPEL - The Best of Private Tapes (MRCD 7036) / D / m/m / US $ 20 Normal prices: CD / ASHRA - Blackouts (Spalax 14589) / F / s/s / US $ 16.50 CD / ASHRA - Correlations (Spalax 14590) / F / s/s / US $ 16.50 CD / ASHRA - Belle Alliance (Spalax 14591) / F / s/s / US $ 16.50 Video: Die Mulde (VHS - PAL) / m/m/ US $ 18.50 Video: Live at Burg Herzberg - Ashra Live 1997 (VHS-PAL) / m/m / US $ 18.50 T-Shirt: Manuel Göttsching size: M / L / XL each: US $ 13.80 Postage extra. Regards heiko (www.tribute-to-ashra.de) email: webmaster@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:35 am Subject: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull >John Vertical said: >It's quite widely known that the voices in Monolight around 3.20 can also be >found from Dominion. Guess what? I just realized that Yellowstone Park has a >third appearence! It's found just after 5.30, and probably elsewhere too.. > >Not exactly striking news, but I thought I'd let you know. The spots you found: Encore 77 - Monolight at 3:20 Logos 82 - Dominion at 1:24, 1:34, 3:19, 4:44, (complete samples, he also plays parts of it almost all the way through) Le Parc 85 - Yellowstone Park Another one: Wavelength 83 - track 16 Mojave End Title Reprise at beginning It's also supposed to be on Rubycon pt 2, but I don't have that disc handy (the horror!). and nearly every Tangerine Dream concert with Chris Franke as a member (1974-1987) has the Alien Seagull sound at least once. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32929 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Antonio Nunes Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32930 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32941 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull RJF Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32945 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 9:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1279 > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:34:55 +0000 > From: ampmusic > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1277 > > > From: > > Subject: CD for sale > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have an CD for sale: > > > > Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3 / limited edition of 1000 this is No. 478 / 12 Tracks / released on AMP Records AMP-CD042 > > > > with new Tracks from Johannes Schmölling, Harald Grosskopf , Mario Schönwälder/Detlef keller and Robert Schröder and many more > > > > offer`s please off_list, thank you > > > > Regards > > heiko > > www.opticaldream.de > > www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > And new copies continue to be available from Cue in Germany, Groove in > the Netherlands, Eurock and Artists Shop in the USA, or direct from the > label (from which the price including worldwide mailing is only 10 > UKP/15 USD/15 Euro) at; > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:16:46 -0000 > From: 'heineu' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1277 > > Hi , > > but my copy has a lower number as the Cd`s that you arrived from Amp > Music. > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de There are some 200's and some 300's (and even some 100's) numbered copies still in stock at all the various distributors, because they're not sent out in strict numerical order. So you may well get a much lower number, as if that makes any difference :-) Actually 478 would be one of the higher numbers to have gone out since the CD was launched some 90 days ago. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32921 Re: Digest Number 1279 heineu Sun 3/24/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 9:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull >Another one: >Wavelength 83 - track 16 Mojave End Title Reprise at beginning > >It's also supposed to be on Rubycon pt 2, but I don't have that disc handy >(the horror!). I don't have Wavelength... but Rubycon II? Do you refer to some of the voices in the beginning, cc. 0.30 - 2.00, or the ones around 9.30? I don't think they're the same... >and nearly every Tangerine Dream concert with Chris Franke as a member >(1974-1987) has the Alien Seagull sound at least once. > >-Morgan I've noticed this too. Monolight would probably be the only official appearence out of these.. And nice to know there's an official name for it, too. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32934 Alien Seagull Morgan Feldon Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32938 Re: Chris' Eagle TheInfection Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32943 Re: Chris' Eagle Wade Gordon Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32960 Alien Seagull fozziebear Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32995 Re: Alien Seagull Szatmari Pal Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 33013 Re: Alien Seagull Wade Gordon Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33041 Re: Alien Seagull John Vertical Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 34251 Alien Seagull Morgan Feldon Fri 6/7/2002 2 KB 34253 Re: Alien Seagull Wade Gordon Fri 6/7/2002 3 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 10:06 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 1279 To ampmusic: It can be which you over it is simply only annoying which I offer this CD for the sales. Because I do not understand your reaction to my first email. Regards heiko --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:34:55 +0000 > > From: ampmusic > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1277 > > > > > From: > > > Subject: CD for sale > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have an CD for sale: > > > > > > Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3 / limited edition of 1000 this is No. 478 / 12 Tracks / released on AMP Records AMP-CD042 > > > > > > with new Tracks from Johannes Schmölling, Harald Grosskopf , Mario Schönwälder/Detlef keller and Robert Schröder and many more > > > > > > offer`s please off_list, thank you > > > > > > Regards > > > heiko > > > www.opticaldream.de > > > www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > And new copies continue to be available from Cue in Germany, Groove in > > the Netherlands, Eurock and Artists Shop in the USA, or direct from the > > label (from which the price including worldwide mailing is only 10 > > UKP/15 USD/15 Euro) at; > > > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:16:46 -0000 > > From: 'heineu' > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1277 > > > > Hi , > > > > but my copy has a lower number as the Cd`s that you arrived from Amp > > Music. > > > > Regards > > heiko > > www.opticaldream.de > > There are some 200's and some 300's (and even some 100's) numbered > copies still in stock at all the various distributors, because they're > not sent out in strict numerical order. So you may well get a much lower > number, as if that makes any difference :-) > > Actually 478 would be one of the higher numbers to have gone out since > the CD was launched some 90 days ago. From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 10:08 am Subject: Berlin Ticket order Hi all, on my webpage: www.opticaldream.de can you found an dircet link to the Ticket order for the Berlin Concert 15.06.2002. See us in Berlin June 2002 Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de From: 'richter_arne' Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: Concert in Berlin Since last week, Berlin/Brandenburg radio station 'Radio Eins' plays a jingle for the upcoming concert several times a day (i.e. in their regular day programming). The jingle announces the festival, Tangerine Dream is named right at the beginning and they use 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' as background music, then they announce Dominic Horovitz and a few of the other acts that appear during the month-long festival. Pretty cool, and certainly good advertising. Wouldn't be suprised if the show sells out quickly. Arne From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep (Orange records) >> And yet another one, 'The Keep' on 'Orange Records', a pirate of the >> TDI010CD, plus four more Keep-style tracks lifted from other CDs >> (South Camora,Moorland, Silver Scale and Logos) I know that 'South Camora' comes from 'The Hollywood Years Vol 2', but what is the source of the others? is 'Moorland' the original or the 'Antique Dreams' version? is 'Silver Scale' the one from 'Tangents' (over 12 minutes long!) and is 'The Keep (Logos)' actually from Logos as the name suggests? Paul From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 2:34 pm Subject: Robert Rich at the Gathering I went to the Gathering last night. Seven simple words that carry a lot of weight. The Gathering isn't just next door or down the block. It's over an hour's drive away... and requires travel on the Schuylkill ('Sure Kill') Highway. But the trek is always worth it. Driving a mere 80 miles for an interstellar trip is a very worth while endeavor. Last night's space trip was captained by Robert Rich. I arrived early, during the sound check. All the equipment seemed to be in place. Jeff Towne was getting the lighting programs in order while Robert was fighting the feedback gremlins. But the most noticeable feature was the MOTM modular synth all patched up and ready to go, lights a-blinkin'. Art was at the sound controls helping Robert and Chuck was off on an important errand. At this time of day, St. Mary's stained glass windows provide little light making it somewhat dark inside. But, astonishingly, they are also rather equally lit and quite breath taking. Perhaps this is a portent of things to come... After a few hellos, I trotted off for my ritual dinner at Wan's. On my return, I brought Robert his order of take out to ensure the evening's flight was fully fueled. The line outside the door was already several yards long and then the doors opened. People flooded in. I set up my portable chair in my usual spot in front of the first row of pews, right of center. I'd prefer to be closer to the center, but then the footrest on my chair would block a vital path needed by other campers. A few moments to meet and greet with familiar faces, catching up on each other's lives. Gatherings are full events! John Diliberto performed MC duties. Golly, I'd pay good money to have such a wonderful speaking voice! Silver tones is too cliched of an expression. Golden or platinum are still too cliche and merely approach reality asymptotically at best. Then Robert fired up a sequence on the MOTM modular. Engines full throttle, we have lift off. The first set consisted of new material played on synths (the keyboards, rack modules, and MOTM) and the slide guitar. As usual, Robert's processing and looping drove the raw sound sources to other galaxies, dragging along an enthusiastic and receptive crowd. Here words fail me as they fail all but the most eloquent. Robert's rhythms are sexy and the sounds superb. Not so glurpy this time, more oozy and fun. Like a kid playing in a mud puddle, I wanted to get dirty and squish the music through my fingers. I watched every movement and must point out that, unlike many synth-playing spacemusicians, Robert actually PLAYS keys. It was also a gas to watch Robert use a nut driver to simultaneously pitch and stimulate the high string on his slide guitar. During the short intermission, I had the opportunity to talk to more friends and acquaintences. John returned to signal the start of the second set. Robert started off with Animus from Propogation. This is perhaps my most favorite track from my most favorite Rich CD. In addition to all the gear used in set one, Robert added his various wooden flutes. I love watching a person play music (when I'm not playing music myself). There was the usual comment made later about performing to MIDI backing tracks. I'd like to point out that the key portion in that sentence is the word PERFORMING, not the words MIDI backing tracks. Without growing 20 more pairs of hands or hiring a lot of musicians and holding months of rehearsals, there is no other way to bring some of Robert's material to a concert setting. I can only direct the attention of critics to sublime moments of the concert such as when Robert sat at the slide guitar, playing harmonics, looping rhythms, and soloing above it all. The light of Robert's music lit the entire audience. A standing O brought Robert back for a quick encore and the show was over. Chuck, Art and Jeff pulled off another great event. Then I wandered off with some friends to stretch out the evening at a nearby watering hole. I plan to see Robert again at the Space for Music Festival in Nashville in April. A little more than 80 miles away from my eastern Pennsylvania home. But it's still an easier drive than Alfa Centauri, which I attended last week in the Netherlands. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32926 Re: Robert Rich at the Gathering Jonathan Holt Sun 3/24/2002 2 KB 32931 Re: Robert Rich at the Gathering Michael A Jean Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32951 Re: Robert Rich at the Gathering Bill Fox Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Robert Rich at the Gathering What a richly described account of what sounds like a wonderful evening - I wish I could have been there! Thanks for sharing. Jon. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32931 Re: Robert Rich at the Gathering Michael A Jean Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 8:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Virus Note (moderator asleep at the switch) I'm sorry I didn't notice this thread; any presence of this kind of discussion is my fault for not stepping in early on. Please refrain from posting any virus warnings to this mailing list. There are many reasons for this, and I'll elaborate if petitioned, but please let it suffice to say that they are prohibited as a list rule. There is one exception I can think of: if you KNOW that you infected people here - perhaps you have some list members addresses also stored in your address book, and a worm virus sent a replica of itself out to all of them - in a case like that, OF COURSE you should post a warning. We would never want to prohibit beneficial information, but please, never do it unless a situation like that occurs. Sincere thanks, Joe From: Eric Williamson Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: i just got DMIII warning: opinion ahead. overall, very enjoyable ... far more than the first Dream Mixes. i liked the use of samples from my three favourite tangerine dream albums ... i had similar feelings regarding remix potential when hearing those albums: encore, logos, and poland. the drums sound nice ... at first. then the realisation that it's just a few bar-length drum samples from a commercially-available sample cd ruins the fun. this feeling could be alleviated by possibly setting Jerome down with some _schnapps_ and a stack of Autechre and Squarepusher discs. i'd just like to hear him chop the drums up a bit. the textures are the best i've heard since Poland. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 12:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Morgan Feldon wrote: > and nearly every Tangerine Dream concert with Chris Franke as a member > (1974-1987) has the Alien Seagull sound at least once. If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at 2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by Phase'. Antonio np: Peter Baumann - Trans-Harmonic Nights Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32930 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32941 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull RJF Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32945 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull That one Chris signature is certainly that sound that's very present in Midnight In Tula, for example. //// I've got Baumann's Romance and Transharmonic (in CDR unfortunately). Great works, very moody. >If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo >album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at >2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is >not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien >seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by >Phase'. > >Antonio Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32941 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull RJF Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32945 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Robert Rich at the Gathering Bill summed it up nicely...I have been to other Gatherings and this one exceeded my expectations...Sorry that didn't get a chance to meet Bill...I was on the right side as well in the third pew back... My drive was a bit longer (about 300 miles roundtrip)...I plan to be back for next months show, so perhaps I'll see you then... MJ Wishing I had picked up a copy of the new Boddy/Rich cd... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:15 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Robert Rich at the Gathering > > > What a richly described account of what sounds like a > wonderful evening - I wish I could have been there! > > Thanks for sharing. > > Jon. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 5:57 am Subject: synths Does anyone know if TD uses or used a Roland XV-5080? Next has anyone had any experience with it? I am thinking about adding it to my collection. Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32933 Re: synths Eric Williamson Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32946 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32935 Re: synths mars103nl Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] synths Quoting Admin : > Does anyone know if TD uses or used a Roland XV-5080? > Next has anyone had any experience with it? hey man ... i used to own an XP-80 (which is like the step below, engine-wise). the improvements made to the sound engine (namely, the d/a converters, sample playback, and more effects) make me drool over it. in fact, i've been holding off getting any new 'romplers' just because i think the new roland kicks so much ass. your mileage may vary. i might add that the only hardware synths TD still use are the Z1 and the JP- 8000 ... in keyboard last year they claim to do nearly everything with Gigasampler on a pentium, sequenced through Cubase on a g4 mac. ed and jerry praise the Z1 for it's arpeggiator ... probably the only big artists i've ever hear speak out about the quality of the Z1's arp. i hope that helps. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32946 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:05 am Subject: Alien Seagull >Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > and nearly every Tangerine Dream concert with Chris Franke as a member > > (1974-1987) has the Alien Seagull sound at least once. > >If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo >album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at >2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is >not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien >seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by >Phase'. > >Antonio Ok, so Chris isn't the only one who likes this sound. :) Just listened to it. -Morgan From: 'mars103nl' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:28 am Subject: Re: synths --- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote: > Does anyone know if TD uses or used a Roland XV-5080? > Next has anyone had any experience with it? > I am thinking about adding it to my collection. I don't know. But they used a moog modular so maybe thats interesting to add to your collection. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... files are uploaded Dale. From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] synths Yea that helps a bit. I noticed the xv-5080 is also a sampler. This would lead me to think Mellotron samples in, very close sound out. I am drawn toward this one due ot he fact I can expand the boards to 8. This is making me not buy the JV-1010. Then there is this sampler. I will keep poking around till I find someone who has used this. I was thinking TD might have but you are right, the JP-8000 is what I was confused on. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Eric Williamson' To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > Quoting Admin : > > Does anyone know if TD uses or used a Roland XV-5080? > > Next has anyone had any experience with it? > > hey man ... i used to own an XP-80 (which is like the step below, engine-wise). > > the improvements made to the sound engine (namely, the d/a converters, sample > playback, and more effects) make me drool over it. > > in fact, i've been holding off getting any new 'romplers' just because i think > the new roland kicks so much ass. > > your mileage may vary. > > i might add that the only hardware synths TD still use are the Z1 and the JP- > 8000 ... in keyboard last year they claim to do nearly everything with > Gigasampler on a pentium, sequenced through Cubase on a g4 mac. ed and jerry > praise the Z1 for it's arpeggiator ... probably the only big artists i've ever > hear speak out about the quality of the Z1's arp. > > i hope that helps. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: synths I am nowhere near that level yet. I am going for a similar sound but not exact. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'mars103nl' To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: synths > --- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote: > > Does anyone know if TD uses or used a Roland XV-5080? > > Next has anyone had any experience with it? > > I am thinking about adding it to my collection. > > I don't know. > But they used a moog modular so maybe thats interesting > to add to your collection. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > files are uploaded Dale. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: TheInfection Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle Chris' eagle also makes appearance in Babylon 5 Vol. 1: Parliaments of Dreams and in Babylon 5 Vol. 2: Messages From Earth. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32943 Re: Chris' Eagle Wade Gordon Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle TheInfection wrote: > > Chris' eagle also makes appearance in Babylon 5 Vol. > 1: Parliaments of Dreams and in Babylon 5 Vol. 2: > Messages From Earth. Chris' eagle? Hey Marko! Are sea gulls honorary eagles in Finland? (I can see the Finish coat of arms now... a sea gull holding a dead fish in one 'talon' and a Nokia phone in the other.) Cioa, and a 'Weeer-weeer-a-weeer-a-weeeerrr... weeer... weeer' to you crazy TD junkies. -- Mark > Regards, > TheInfection > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32940 Re: Chris' Eagle John Vertical Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32942 D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32964 Re: D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Jim Moore Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32944 Re: Chris' Eagle Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32948 Re: Chris' Eagle Matthew Stringer Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32971 Re: Chris' Eagle TheInfection Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 33092 Re: Chris' Eagle Miguel Farah F. Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle >Chris' eagle? > >Hey Marko! Are sea gulls honorary eagles in Finland? (I can see the Finish >coat of arms now... a sea gull holding a dead fish in one 'talon' and a >Nokia phone in the other.) :D Actually, it's a lion (I wonder why, as we don't have any) with one hand armored & a sword in it; and he's standing on a saber. I recently had an idea: perhaps someone ( = me?) could some day build a 'Recurring themes' database? It'd be a list of all the themes which appear in multiple places, probably mostly during the 76-77s concerts. They seem all to have these same themes from Encore, Ricochet, Statosfear & Sorcerer and also others which appear over and over again... I don't think there's as much reappearences in the 80s, but some still; eg. Choronzon, Kiew Mission & Polish Dance share the same drumbeat. When exactly was Sorcerer recorded, BTW? The basic theme of The Call already appears in Tree Vol. 1 and I'd like to know whether they already had composed that one, or if it's of improvised origin. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32942 D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32964 Re: D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Jim Moore Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32944 Re: Chris' Eagle Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB From: RJF Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull >>If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo >>album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at >>2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is >>not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien >>seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by >>Phase'. Does anyone know what instrument was used to produce the sound, and if there is a WAV file of it. -- Richard F Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32945 Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:11 pm Subject: D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Sorcerer was recorded in 1977; I was delighted to hear more sounds they used to play in their concerts from that time, in an official release. We only have more of those in Encore, and Encore isn't so good for me... > When exactly was Sorcerer recorded, BTW? The basic theme of The Call already > appears in Tree Vol. 1 and I'd like to know whether they already had > composed that one, or if it's of improvised origin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32964 Re: D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Jim Moore Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle I came in late...Did anyone mention 'Purple Waves' from Pacific Coast Highway. The alien seagul sneaks in at the end. Wade --- TheInfection wrote: > Chris' eagle also makes appearance in Babylon 5 Vol. > 1: Parliaments of Dreams and in Babylon 5 Vol. 2: > Messages From Earth. > > Regards, > TheInfection > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris' Eagle > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > > I recently had an idea: perhaps someone ( = me?) could some day build a > 'Recurring themes' database? It'd be a list of all the themes > which appear > in multiple places, probably mostly during the 76-77s concerts. They seem > all to have these same themes from Encore, Ricochet, Statosfear & > Sorcerer > and also others which appear over and over again... I don't think > there's as > much reappearences in the 80s, but some still; eg. Choronzon, > Kiew Mission & > Polish Dance share the same drumbeat. Same themes not appearing in the 80 and 90s? It's exactly the same themes reappearing in the 80s/90s till now. :-) (I'm not counting the bridges) Can you imagine that they only improvised/made different music live from 1970 till 1978... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull > From: RJF [mailto:theroom@b...] > > Does anyone know what instrument was used to produce the sound, and if > there is a WAV file of it. I have no doubt that it was done on Chris's modular Moog. Peter's seagull is a bit different maybe due to the fact that he used a Polyfusion modular. Different synths, different birds. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: RJF Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths >i might add that the only hardware synths TD still use are the Z1 and the JP- >8000 ... in keyboard last year they claim to do nearly everything with >Gigasampler on a pentium, sequenced through Cubase on a g4 mac. ed and jerry >praise the Z1 for it's arpeggiator ... probably the only big artists i've ever >hear speak out about the quality of the Z1's arp. I'm not a big artist, but as a new Z1 owner, I can say it is one amazing bit of kit. I never thought I'd find anything to replace my Prophecy, but now it's not touched. -- Richard F From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths Hear, hear, I love the Z1, they're very cheap these days too. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'RJF' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > >i might add that the only hardware synths TD still use are the Z1 and the JP- > >8000 ... in keyboard last year they claim to do nearly everything with > >Gigasampler on a pentium, sequenced through Cubase on a g4 mac. ed and jerry > >praise the Z1 for it's arpeggiator ... probably the only big artists i've ever > >hear speak out about the quality of the Z1's arp. > > I'm not a big artist, but as a new Z1 owner, I can say it is one amazing > bit of kit. I never thought I'd find anything to replace my Prophecy, > but now it's not touched. > -- > Richard F > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32949 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle Have you noticed that it's always a sample of the original and has never been recreated. Sounds great though, it's snuck on to one or two of my tunes before now. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle > I came in late...Did anyone mention 'Purple Waves' > from Pacific Coast Highway. The alien seagul sneaks > in at the end. > > Wade > --- TheInfection wrote: > > Chris' eagle also makes appearance in Babylon 5 Vol. > > 1: Parliaments of Dreams and in Babylon 5 Vol. 2: > > Messages From Earth. > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: RJF Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths Do you have 'that' sound on the Z1? >Hear, hear, I love the Z1, they're very cheap these days too. > >Matt > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'RJF' >To: >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > >> >i might add that the only hardware synths TD still use are the Z1 and the >JP- >> >8000 ... in keyboard last year they claim to do nearly everything with >> >Gigasampler on a pentium, sequenced through Cubase on a g4 mac. ed and >jerry >> >praise the Z1 for it's arpeggiator ... probably the only big artists i've >ever >> >hear speak out about the quality of the Z1's arp. >> >> I'm not a big artist, but as a new Z1 owner, I can say it is one amazing >> bit of kit. I never thought I'd find anything to replace my Prophecy, >> but now it's not touched. >> -- >> Richard F >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> Are you on the tree yet? Go to >> http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Are you on the tree yet? Go to >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- Richard F From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 5:57 pm Subject: Same Themes? >Same themes not appearing in the 80 and 90s? >It's exactly the same themes reappearing in the 80s/90s till >now. :-) (I'm not counting the bridges) >Can you imagine that they only improvised/made different music >live from 1970 till 1978... > >Marcel Thankfully they didn't play the exact same thing from concert-to-concert, or just perform albums live. Yes, 1974-1977 is great for live concerts, each one 80 minutes of magic which will contain new things invented on-the-spot. But I don't discount 80-90 live either. Much much more than just varied bridges. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32967 Re: Same Themes? artofvision01 Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Robert Rich at the Gathering -----Original Message----- From: Michael A Jean >Bill summed it up nicely...I have been to other Gatherings and this one >exceeded my expectations...Sorry that didn't get a chance to meet Bill...I >was on the right side as well in the third pew back... My drive was a bit >longer (about 300 miles roundtrip)...I plan to be back for next months show, >so perhaps I'll see you then... I'll be in the same spot in my blue camp chair avec footrest. Do say hello and which list(s) you're on. Cheers, Bill From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths You know this thread might be annoying to some. But... So you are saying the Z1 is better than the xv-5080? I saw and played with both. I thought the Z1 was only a keyboard, did not see the sampler part. I would not buy the keyboard however, I would get the rack unit. I have a S-80 now, plus a ms2000, psr-520 and on. I pretty much got the keyboard part covered. Now keep in mind, I am open to suggestions as well as like to explore other methods. So you won't hurt my feelings on a argument over equipment. What I want to do is take some samples of several different equipment and play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and other terrible sound torture stuff. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'RJF' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > Do you have 'that' sound on the Z1? > > > >Hear, hear, I love the Z1, they're very cheap these days too. > > > >Matt > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'RJF' > >To: > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:51 PM > >Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > > >> >i might add that the only hardware synths TD still use are the Z1 and the > >JP- > >> >8000 ... in keyboard last year they claim to do nearly everything with > >> >Gigasampler on a pentium, sequenced through Cubase on a g4 mac. ed and > >jerry > >> >praise the Z1 for it's arpeggiator ... probably the only big artists i've > >ever > >> >hear speak out about the quality of the Z1's arp. > >> > >> I'm not a big artist, but as a new Z1 owner, I can say it is one amazing > >> bit of kit. I never thought I'd find anything to replace my Prophecy, > >> but now it's not touched. > >> -- > >> Richard F > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------_- > >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> ----------------------------------------------------_- > >> Are you on the tree yet? Go to > >> http://www.tadream.net/tree > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Are you on the tree yet? Go to > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -- > Richard F > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32953 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32958 Re: synths Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB From: RJF Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths >You know this thread might be annoying to some. But... A lot of us are musicians here >So you are saying the Z1 is better than the xv-5080? Don't ever saying or reading that. The 2 items are TOTALLY different. I have a JV1080 and it's OK for what it's good at (for those who don't know,the XP5080 is a super JV1080!), but the XP can't do what the Z1 does, and visa versa. >I saw and played with >both. I thought the Z1 was only a keyboard, It is > did not see the sampler part. It hasn't got one. > I >would not buy the keyboard however, I would get the rack unit. Unfortunately, this isn't one, nor will there be one. > I have a S-80 >now, plus a ms2000, Well the MS2000 is a brother to the Z1, so you know it's NOTHING like the XP. > psr-520 and on. I pretty much got the keyboard part >covered. >Now keep in mind, I am open to suggestions as well as like to explore other >methods. I've just got a Korg karma. Unbelievable. -- Richard F From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths I see your point. I agree with you. They are different. What would you use the Z1 for then compared to the 5080? I am drawn toward the 5080 do to its sampler and board expansion. I have not spent as much time with the triton rack hence did not know it was a sampler at all. I just poke at the presets, sound like korg and moved on. I will go back and play with it a bit more now. The Z1 does not sample then? You just got your karma huh? That is one heck of deal to get to know it. I would say it ranks up there with the Virus. I poked at it a bit too and discover I would have to devote some time to it to get to know it. I am still learning all the in's and out's of the ms-2000. So how do you feel about it so far (karma)? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'RJF' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > >You know this thread might be annoying to some. But... > > A lot of us are musicians here > > >So you are saying the Z1 is better than the xv-5080? > > Don't ever saying or reading that. The 2 items are TOTALLY different. I > have a JV1080 and it's OK for what it's good at (for those who don't > know,the XP5080 is a super JV1080!), but the XP can't do what the Z1 > does, and visa versa. > > >I saw and played with > >both. I thought the Z1 was only a keyboard, > > It is > > did not see the sampler part. > > It hasn't got one. > > > I > >would not buy the keyboard however, I would get the rack unit. > > Unfortunately, this isn't one, nor will there be one. > > > I have a S-80 > >now, plus a ms2000, > > Well the MS2000 is a brother to the Z1, so you know it's NOTHING like > the XP. > > > psr-520 and on. I pretty much got the keyboard part > >covered. > >Now keep in mind, I am open to suggestions as well as like to explore other > >methods. > > I've just got a Korg karma. Unbelievable. > -- > Richard F > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32959 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB From: 'Eric Williamson' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths ... Franke-In-A-Box >So you are saying the Z1 is better than the xv-5080? I saw and played with they are very different ... a comparison is just not reasonable. however, i have 2 Z1s and 1 MS2000r ... and _no_ romplers. somehow i manage to get by. oh yeah, btw 2 Z1s and an MS2000r cost _less_ than a new XV5080. however, bottom line: NOTHING beats a Z1 for real-time step-sequencing and synthesis in a box. the MS2k is cool, i love mine, but the mod seq is a totally different animal than the Z1's arpeggiator. i would go further and say _any_ TD sequences from 1972-1984 are reproducible within reasonable tolerances by a good synthesist on the Z1. it is like Franke-In-A-Box. however there is no 'skip' function ... that's the 'reasonable tolerance'. man i wish it had a 'skip' function. My electrix repeater is like Fripp-In-A-Box ... but that's a whole nother post ... >both. I thought the Z1 was only a keyboard, did not see the sampler part. I >would not buy the keyboard however, I would get the rack unit. I have a S-80 >now, plus a ms2000, psr-520 and on. I pretty much got the keyboard part >covered. well, if you have an S80 ... i'd say you got the rompler part covered too. have you considered a waldorf microwave? it's almost as bizarre as a Z1, and available in a rack unit. there is no rackmount Z1 ... unless you're really skilled with a hacksaw. >Now keep in mind, I am open to suggestions as well as like to explore other >methods. So you won't hurt my feelings on a argument over equipment. ah i'm not into telling people their gear sucks. in fact i won't even bash Gigasampler hahaha. it's all about the user and their personal skill with the equipment. i've heard Groove Holmes make a DX7 sound good ... >What I want to do is take some samples of several different equipment and >play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and other >terrible sound torture stuff. why not just get an old Akai S2000? there is a nice _free_ computer editor for it from Akai ... AND ed & jerry use them as backup. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32962 Re: synths ... Franke-In-A-Box Marcel Engels Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32969 Re: synths ... Franke-In-A-Box Eric Williamson Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 32991 Re: OT: synths ... Marcel Engels Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 33032 Re: OT: synths ... Gustavo Jobim Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 32994 Re: synths ... Franke-In-A-Box Szatmari Pal Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 32998 Re: synths ... Franke-In-A-Box Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB From: 'horrod6' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:43 pm Subject: Wife project? (was Re: another observation) Quote: 'I even bought a case of plastic cases as I will be using them for my wife project later this spring.' Dale, what _are_ you up to? It all sounds very sinister! Are you planning to slice her up into little pieces and mail her all over the continent? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32957 Re: Wife project? (was Re: another observation) Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wife project? (was Re: another observation) wish wish great idea no... she has her album she wants re-done on a cd. It exists on tape now. I just bought a MOTU 24i to redo the whole thing. In fact she wants to redo some of the instruments now, you know the deal. Well that was the ploy to get what I wanted anyway. Now I can do some of my stuff to cd. I have to do some time in He.. for a bit but then I will be free to go back and play. Well I should not say that like 100%. But it will be painful (as it was mentioned a few weeks past, like giving birth). She just got her Martin, so I am next to get a new instrument, hence why all the post lately. I want to make sure I get something I can use for a bit to accomplish my sound torture to a new level. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: [tadream] Wife project? (was Re: another observation) > Quote: 'I even bought a case of plastic cases as I will be using them for my > wife project later this spring.' > > Dale, what _are_ you up to? It all sounds very sinister! Are you planning to > slice her up into little pieces and mail her all over the continent? > > LnH > > Marion > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] synths > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > What I want to do is take some samples of several different equipment and > play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and other > terrible sound torture stuff. Why don't you get a sampler then? I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. They're even quite cheap second hand. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: RJF Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths >I see your point. I agree with you. They are different. >What would you use the Z1 for then compared to the 5080? The Z1 is a poly synth and the XP is a do it all machine. >I am drawn toward >the 5080 do to its sampler and board expansion. I have not spent as much >time with the triton rack hence did not know it was a sampler at all. I just >poke at the presets, sound like korg and moved on. I will go back and play >with it a bit more now. The Z1 does not sample then? Fraid not. >You just got your karma huh? That is one heck of deal to get to know it. I >would say it ranks up there with the Virus. I poked at it a bit too and >discover I would have to devote some time to it to get to know it. I am >still learning all the in's and out's of the ms-2000. So how do you feel >about it so far (karma)? It's a bit heavy going, time is needed on this thing. -- Richard F From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:54 pm Subject: Alien Seagull I have always liked that sound.....even though it appears in lots of pieces. I have never been able to adequately describe it to others. Wish we could have some more, perhaps new and different use of it. But what is it really? And who owns it? CF, PB, EF? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:55 pm Subject: UK - Berlin connection So is anyone going from the UK. I'm thinking about it. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] synths ... Franke-In-A-Box > From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@s...] > > i would go further and say _any_ TD sequences from 1972-1984 are > reproducible > within reasonable tolerances by a good synthesist on the Z1. it is like > Franke-In-A-Box. however there is no 'skip' function ... that's > the 'reasonable > tolerance'. man i wish it had a 'skip' function. :-) Eric you're on the wrong list! Go back to the .com list and say that to Roger! > why not just get an old Akai S2000? there is a nice _free_ > computer editor for > it from Akai ... AND ed & jerry use them as backup. Exactly...but the S2000 is a little 'slim' for editing. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a analog synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told some are hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the korg electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the roland, played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then I asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is the Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go down below to LA to poke around. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marcel Engels' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] synths > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > > > What I want to do is take some samples of several different equipment and > > play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and other > > terrible sound torture stuff. > > Why don't you get a sampler then? > I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth > engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. > They're even quite cheap second hand. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle I thought Sorcerer was recorded earlier than that (before Stratosfear even?). I'd read that production on that movie took almost a year, and that TD's music showed up in the early stages of filming (which would have been in 1976). That would make sense why pieces would show up in the 1976 tour... - jim -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] >Sorcerer was recorded in 1977; I was delighted to hear more sounds they used to play in their concerts from that time, in an official release. We only have more of those in Encore, and Encore isn't so good for me... > When exactly was Sorcerer recorded, BTW? The basic theme of The Call > already > appears in Tree Vol. 1 and I'd like to know whether they already had > composed that one, or if it's of improvised origin. From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:18 pm Subject: TD spotting so there I was refueling at a chevron gas station south of san jose y-day and what do I hear? 'loved by the sun' (with Jon) on the house muzak. Must've been Chevron radio or something as I don't think there's a 'real' radio station around here/there that would play it. --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32966 Re: TD spotting Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD spotting two words pirate radio Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: [tadream] TD spotting > so there I was refueling at a chevron gas station south of san jose y-day > and what do I hear? 'loved by the sun' (with Jon) on the house muzak. > Must've been Chevron radio or something as I don't think there's a 'real' > radio station around here/there that would play it. > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'artofvision01' Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Same Themes? > But I don't discount 80-90 live either. >Much much more than just varied > bridges. > > -Morgan Ra:tikon(1982), BTW, is one of my favourite boots. And also 86-87 concerts like Parisian Dreams and Antarktis. About same themes - there is another repeating whispering sound which is the same on Ricochet(pt 1) and Mojave Plan. Does it also appear in other pieces or have a special title? AoV P.S. My MP3 player is broken now...16 hours without TD every day... a torture... From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle 'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark Jim Moore wrote: > > I thought Sorcerer was recorded earlier than that (before Stratosfear > even?). I'd read that production on that movie took almost a year, and > that TD's music showed up in the early stages of filming (which would > have been in 1976). That would make sense why pieces would show up in > the 1976 tour... > > - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33003 Re: D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Gustavo Jobim Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: 'Eric Williamson' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] synths ... Franke-In-A-Box >Eric you're on the wrong list! Go back to the .com list >and say that to Roger! haha. ... yeah well i'm sure everyone on the .com list appreciates a non-.com owner polluting traffic like that. i _do_ think Roger has the best game in town, vertically speaking that is ... i think that his sequencer aid and VC delay line will be cool as shit. i'll sell my RDS units if the VC delays will have more than 15 seconds of sample time. >Exactly...but the S2000 is a little 'slim' for editing yup. i'm not sure wether i'll go with the s2000 or the a5000. i think the yamaha samplers are pretty cool. . Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:59 am Subject: RE: nifty german rock info site I take that back; this isn't a nifty site; it's a _great_ site. The best historical/comprehensive info on the German music scene (particularly '70s) I've seen. If you've ever wanted to put all the German bands into perspective, this does it. Joe np: Eloy- Decay of the Logos -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Sent: 3/26/02 2:17 AM Subject: nifty german rock info site http://tmachine.chat.ru/germ/progrtop.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33076 nifty german rock info site Joe Shoults Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 8:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle --- Mark Filipak wrote: > > Chris' eagle? > > Hey Marko! Are sea gulls honorary eagles in Finland? > (I can see the Finish coat of arms now... a sea gull > holding a dead fish in one 'talon' and a Nokia phone > in the other.) > > Cioa, and a 'Weeer-weeer-a-weeer-a-weeeerrr... > weeer... weeer' to you crazy TD junkies. > > -- Mark Err, bah!! ;-) Eagle, seagull, the same thing. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 9:17 am Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Yahoogroups seems to have hiccuped. Apologies if this appears twice. Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't identify them all. Can anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may be hurting my effort. Track 1 (as one big wave file) 00:00 'Hijack' 10:17 'Sobornost' 19:11 (unknown) 21:51 (unknown) 27:08 (unknown) 34:04 'Bondy Parade' Track 2 (as one big wave file) 00:54 'Calymba Caly Part 2' 07:00 'Calymba Caly Part 3' 13:55 'Force Majeure Part 7' 15:55 'Force Majeure Part 8' 17:35 'Logos Part 6' (Times are from '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 and proposed indexing is open to much quibbling with this type of material.) What are the three '(unknown)' tracks above? I imagine that the person named 'zebby' is on this list. This page: http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/81uk.html is incorrect/incomplete regarding at least this London show as follows: - 'Logos (1)' is 'Hijack' -- this is a quibble - '8102' is 'Calymba Caly' - 'Remote Viewing' is not found preceeding 'Force Majeure' - '8008' is 'Logos Part 6' Granted: Preceeding 'FM' is an atmospheric bit that sounds like the atmospheric bit at the beginning of 'RV', but the main 'RV' theme is not there, and I don't think you can call it 'RV' just because of atmospherics (IMO). To me, it's just a bridge. All help is appreciated as I'm currently reindexing '3TD' disc 2 and would like to get it right. Quibbles will be happily entertained. Ciao, and Thanks. -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32981 Re: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Matthew Sawyer Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 32983 Re: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Mark Filipak Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 32984 Re: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Matthew Sawyer Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 33002 Re: *Logotypes' *NOT* 'Logostypes'! goozergrafx Wed 3/27/2002 5 KB 33069 Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Mark Filipak Fri 3/29/2002 3 KB From: René Brenner Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 9:42 am Subject: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Hi all Does anyone know on which CD you can find Tangerine Dream live at SBE (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at May, 12th 2001. Thanks all René Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32974 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Armin Theissen Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 32977 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Jeffrey Au Yeung Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 32975 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Synthhtnys@a... Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 32996 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE convention24 Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 32976 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Armin Theissen Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 32978 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Armin Theissen Tue 3/26/2002 5 KB 32980 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Matthew Sawyer Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB 32997 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE convention24 Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 33005 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE hyperboreauk Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE Is this the 'Valentine Wheels' CD? (at least first half) Have to check at home. Or was that earlier? a. > > Hi all > > Does anyone know on which CD you can find Tangerine Dream live at SBE > (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at May, 12th 2001. > > Thanks all > René > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32977 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE Jeffrey Au Yeung Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE In a message dated 3/26/2002 3:53:10 AM Central Standard Time, Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > Is this the 'Valentine Wheels' CD? (at least first half) > Have to check at home. Or was that earlier? > a. *Speaking of Valentine Wheels, could someone give me the lowdown on this album? I almost picked it up the other day, but seemed to remember that someone mentioned it had lots of sax in it... That era is not to my taste... I didn't care for 220 volts for example... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32996 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE convention24 Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE Hi, erm, there is no sax involved. Haven't been on that particular concert in London, but on others on that tour. No sax. Its the first (vintage) set of the show. Edgar/Jerome with Emil Hachfeld on dr/perc and Zlatdo on git. Music mostly TD's 80s, AFAIR a. > > *Speaking of Valentine Wheels, could someone give me the lowdown on this > album? > I almost picked it up the other day, but seemed to remember that someone > mentioned it had lots of sax in it... That era is not to my taste... I didn't > care for 220 volts for example... > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Jeffrey Au Yeung Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE Armin 'Valentine Wheels' contained the 1st half of SBE performance of 1997, not 1996 nor 2001. Rgds Jeffrey --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > Is this the 'Valentine Wheels' CD? (at least first > half) > Have to check at home. Or was that earlier? > > a. > > > > > Hi all > > > > Does anyone know on which CD you can find > Tangerine Dream live at SBE > > (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at > May, 12th 2001. > > > > Thanks all > > René > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com > phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal > Opposition.' > > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE oh dear, is that already *so* long ago.... I definetly spend too much time in the office. a. > > Armin > > 'Valentine Wheels' contained the 1st half of SBE > performance of 1997, not 1996 nor 2001. > > Rgds > Jeffrey > > --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > > Is this the 'Valentine Wheels' CD? (at least first > > half) > > Have to check at home. Or was that earlier? > > > > a. > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Does anyone know on which CD you can find > > Tangerine Dream live at SBE > > > (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at > > May, 12th 2001. > > > > > > Thanks all > > > René > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com > > phone x19080 > > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal > > Opposition.' > > > > - Woody Allen > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: David Hughes Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:59 am Subject: OT : Synths Hello, 'Marcel Engels' wrote : > Why don't you get a sampler then? > I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth > engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. > They're even quite cheap second hand. I have an EX5 which has sampler capabilities but I've never upgraded. This reason for this was because the Yamaha SCSI interface - which I understand is common to both the EX5 and the A3000 - is *very* slow indeed. What' the sample loading time like, Marcel? I'm heard it quoted that it would be faster to load a sample over MIDI! Regards David PS If you want Synth + Sampler, buy Kurzweil. You will nevr regret it. How many Kurzweil's to Eddie and Big J. use? Look at Three Phase Live and count 'em! -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32987 Re: OT : Synths mars103nl Tue 3/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE From: 'René Brenner' > Does anyone know on which CD you can find Tangerine Dream live at SBE > (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at May, 12th 2001. There's no official release, only a concert bootleg. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32997 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE convention24 Tue 3/26/2002 3 KB 33005 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE hyperboreauk Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 From: 'Mark Filipak' > What are the three '(unknown)' tracks above? They've never been released or given a title as far as I know. > is incorrect/incomplete regarding at least this London show as follows: > > - 'Logos (1)' is 'Hijack' -- this is a quibble The bits played here are a year before the Logos concert, so you can hear some themes which would be changed and eventually go into that performance. 'Hijack' is an alternative bootleg title (from 'Logostype') for 'Logos (1)'. > - '8102' is 'Calymba Caly' > - 'Remote Viewing' is not found preceeding 'Force Majeure' It's there, even if it is the atmospheric opening used as a bridge. It's definately Remote Vewing. > - '8008' is 'Logos Part 6' Sort of. It's an earlier version. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com From: 'Hulshoff, Bert' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE There is also an recording of the web broadcast as mp3 on the p2p network ( try audiognome or winmx) www.audiognome.com www.winmx.com Bert -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...] Sent: dinsdag 26 maart 2002 13:01 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream live at SBE From: 'René Brenner' > Does anyone know on which CD you can find Tangerine Dream live at SBE > (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at May, 12th 2001. There's no official release, only a concert bootleg. Maff From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Hi Maff. Thanks. One more question though. Matthew Sawyer wrote: > > > - 'Logos (1)' is 'Hijack' -- this is a quibble > > The bits played here are a year before the Logos concert, so you can hear > some themes which would be changed and eventually go into that performance. > 'Hijack' is an alternative bootleg title (from 'Logostype') for 'Logos (1)'. As I wrote, I don't have much stuff from 'The Keep' (in fact, only the BM boot), but I thought that 'Hijack' was the name from 'The Keep'. Is this incorrect? Thanks -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 From: 'Mark Filipak' > As I wrote, I don't have much stuff from 'The Keep' (in fact, only the > BM boot), but I thought that 'Hijack' was the name from 'The Keep'. > Is this incorrect? As far as I know the title comes from 'Logostype' and not from any of The Keep releases. Logostype contains the first 5 minutes of the Logos concert (with the title 'Hijack'), then the 50 minutes of music that was cut from the offical Logos release. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33002 Re: *Logotypes' *NOT* 'Logostypes'! goozergrafx Wed 3/27/2002 5 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths If you are going to get a sampler then I cant recommend Gigastudio enough to anybody who has a decent PC to spare . Gigastudio streams sounds direct from the hard drive which means you never really have to worry about memory running out, especially when compared with the 256meg you get from hardware samplers. not only that, it means I can have my whole sample library stored on the hard drive and there at the touch of a button like keyboard presets, no more time consuming loading and searching through CD roms. Dont bother with hardware samplers . Gigastudio has made virtually all of my studio redundant .(sounds like an advert !!) Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Administrator for kay-net.com To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get > confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a analog > synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told some are > hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the korg > electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the roland, > played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then I > asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is the > Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go down > below to LA to poke around. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Marcel Engels' > To: > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: [tadream] synths > > > > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > > > > > What I want to do is take some samples of several different equipment > and > > > play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and other > > > terrible sound torture stuff. > > > > Why don't you get a sampler then? > > I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth > > engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. > > They're even quite cheap second hand. > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths Getting the sound back out would be a problem. Not to mention in. Would you not need a excellent sound card to keep noise out and detail in? Using a PC base sampler would not the PC add to the noise. I find that I have to have some of my units (computers) not near some of my older keyboards. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > If you are going to get a sampler then I cant recommend Gigastudio enough to > anybody who has a decent PC to spare . > Gigastudio streams sounds direct from the hard drive which means you never > really have to worry about memory running out, especially when compared with > the 256meg you get from hardware samplers. > not only that, it means I can have my whole sample library stored on the > hard drive and there at the touch of a button like keyboard presets, no more > time consuming loading and searching through CD roms. > Dont bother with hardware samplers . Gigastudio has made virtually all of my > studio redundant .(sounds like an advert !!) > > Paul > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com > To: > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get > > confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a analog > > synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told some > are > > hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the korg > > electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the > roland, > > played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then I > > asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is the > > Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go > down > > below to LA to poke around. > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM > > Subject: RE: [tadream] synths > > > > > > > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > > > > > > > What I want to do is take some samples of several different equipment > > and > > > > play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and > other > > > > terrible sound torture stuff. > > > > > > Why don't you get a sampler then? > > > I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth > > > engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. > > > They're even quite cheap second hand. > > > > > > Marcel > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > > mengels@w... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'mars103nl' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:26 pm Subject: Re: OT : Synths --- In tadream@y..., David Hughes wrote: > > I have an EX5 which has sampler capabilities but I've never upgraded. This > reason for this was because the Yamaha SCSI interface - which I understand is > common to both the EX5 and the A3000 - is *very* slow indeed. > > What' the sample loading time like, Marcel? I'm heard it quoted that it would be > faster to load a sample over MIDI! SCSI times are not that fast with the Yamaha's but I don't find it much of a problem. When on stage, I just press load and continue to setup everything else. Within a minute or 5 everything is loaded (128MB of mellotrons). Whats the point in having it loaded within 30 seconds or so...okay it's nice but for me not necessary. The phasers and flangers in it are one of the best I heard. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Three Tier Dream 2 >From: Mark Filipak >Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:17 am >Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 > >Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't identify them all. Can >anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may >be hurting my effort. > >Track 1 (as one big wave file) >00:00 'Hijack' >10:17 'Sobornost' >19:11 (unknown) >21:51 (unknown) I consider this 2 refrains of one song. >27:08 (unknown) >34:04 'Bondy Parade' > >Track 2 (as one big wave file) >00:54 'Calymba Caly Part 2' >07:00 'Calymba Caly Part 3' >13:55 'Force Majeure Part 7' >15:55 'Force Majeure Part 8' >17:35 'Logos Part 6' > >(Times are from '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 and proposed indexing is open to much >quibbling with this type of material.) > >What are the three '(unknown)' tracks above? They have no names, having never been released. Great, aren't they? >I imagine that the person named 'zebby' is on this list. This page: > >http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/81uk.html it is not a person named zebby, it is an incredible website and project produced by John Burek & Mark Schaffer. It contains accurate descriptions of what happened, track-by-track, on every tour and one-off concert from 1980 (cept the 01.31.80 show) to the present (other than labeling Poland a 30 minute track for the Warsaw 10.12.83 show, it was a 24 min track). >is incorrect/incomplete regarding at least this London show as follows: > >- 'Logos (1)' is 'Hijack' -- this is a quibble In the fall of 1981, Tangerine Dream played a long preview version (nearly 10 minutes) of what would eventually become the wonderful 3 1/2 minute intro to Logos. Please compare this to the first 3 1/2 minutes of the official Logos CD. You'll see it is just a winded, less refined version of the same thing. >- '8102' is 'Calymba Caly' It's different enough that it is considered a separate track. Calymba Caly was played in the January-February 1981 tour. http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/81europe.html >- 'Remote Viewing' is not found preceeding 'Force Majeure' Listen again. There is one minute of atmospheric effects of Remote Viewing before Force Majeure starts. I didn't believe it either until I popped in Exit and listened to the first few minutes of Remote Viewing. >- '8008' is 'Logos Part 6' The 1981 'Ending Coda' is similar to, but not identical to the Logos ending. >Granted: Preceeding 'FM' is an atmospheric bit that sounds like the >atmospheric >bit at the beginning of 'RV', but the main 'RV' theme is not there, and I >don't >think you can call it 'RV' just because of atmospherics (IMO). To me, it's >just >a bridge. If you listen to Remote Viewing, the atmospherics are note-for-note identical. That is why it is identified as such. It is not just a bridge. >All help is appreciated as I'm currently reindexing '3TD' disc 2 and would >like >to get it right. Quibbles will be happily entertained. This is my favorite recording of the fall 81 tour and it gets a LOT of airtime around here. My new favorite Jan-Feb 81 tour, by the way, is 1981.02.02 Paris Bataclan. Awesome. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths I have the Delta 4/10 soundcard which costs around £250. There`s no problem with noise at all and it has a digital output as well, should you prefer that to the analogue outs . The samples are loaded into the machine from the CD rom drive or from the inputs on the soundcard just like you would on a hardware model . I`ve found the sound quality to be no different from either my EMU 4XT Ultra or Akai s3000s . You will need a dedicated PC though with plenty of RAM (I have 1 gig) and a fast processor (P4 1ghz) Some people also run their sequencing programmes on the same PC but I think that can lead to problems . I`m getting 160 note polyphony and 64 part multitimbrality with no problems so far (apart from the odd crash.....but thats PC`s for you) The whole system and software came to about £2000, which is what you would pay for the Akai S6000 with full spec. Only the S6000 doesn`t come close . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Administrator for kay-net.com To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > Getting the sound back out would be a problem. Not to mention in. Would you > not need a excellent sound card to keep noise out and detail in? Using a PC > base sampler would not the PC add to the noise. I find that I have to have > some of my units (computers) not near some of my older keyboards. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Lawler' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > If you are going to get a sampler then I cant recommend Gigastudio enough > to > > anybody who has a decent PC to spare . > > Gigastudio streams sounds direct from the hard drive which means you never > > really have to worry about memory running out, especially when compared > with > > the 256meg you get from hardware samplers. > > not only that, it means I can have my whole sample library stored on the > > hard drive and there at the touch of a button like keyboard presets, no > more > > time consuming loading and searching through CD roms. > > Dont bother with hardware samplers . Gigastudio has made virtually all of > my > > studio redundant .(sounds like an advert !!) > > > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > http://www.vision68.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > > > > You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get > > > confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a > analog > > > synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told some > > are > > > hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the > korg > > > electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the > > roland, > > > played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then I > > > asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is > the > > > Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go > > down > > > below to LA to poke around. > > > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > > admin@k... > > > 661-723-0266 > > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM > > > Subject: RE: [tadream] synths > > > > > > > > > > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > > > > > > > > > What I want to do is take some samples of several different > equipment > > > and > > > > > play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and > > other > > > > > terrible sound torture stuff. > > > > > > > > Why don't you get a sampler then? > > > > I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth > > > > engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. > > > > They're even quite cheap second hand. > > > > > > > > Marcel > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ... About Gigasampler: How does the filters sound like? Is it all realtime 'changeable'? The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256 voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33032 Re: OT: synths ... Gustavo Jobim Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths I see. To use digital I would have to get a a/d unit. I would stick to analog out in that case. have you tried Win 2000 or xp yet for that odd crash? Making up a system like this is not a problem. Just I would have three pcs running. Two is more than enough problems on some gigs. I see your point in the delta cards, they have been rated rather good. I have not use them or had a chance to mess with them. If I add lights to the gigs then I would have 4 pcs running. Again this gets too much to handle on one's own. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > I have the Delta 4/10 soundcard which costs around £250. There`s no problem > with noise at all and it has a digital output as well, should you prefer > that to the analogue outs . The samples are loaded into the machine from the > CD rom drive or from the inputs on the soundcard just like you would on a > hardware model . > I`ve found the sound quality to be no different from either my EMU 4XT Ultra > or Akai s3000s . > You will need a dedicated PC though with plenty of RAM (I have 1 gig) and a > fast processor (P4 1ghz) Some people also run their sequencing programmes on > the same PC but I think that can lead to problems . > I`m getting 160 note polyphony and 64 part multitimbrality with no problems > so far (apart from the odd crash.....but thats PC`s for you) > The whole system and software came to about £2000, which is what you would > pay for the Akai S6000 with full spec. Only the S6000 doesn`t come close . > > Paul > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > Getting the sound back out would be a problem. Not to mention in. Would > you > > not need a excellent sound card to keep noise out and detail in? Using a > PC > > base sampler would not the PC add to the noise. I find that I have to have > > some of my units (computers) not near some of my older keyboards. > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Paul Lawler' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > > > > If you are going to get a sampler then I cant recommend Gigastudio > enough > > to > > > anybody who has a decent PC to spare . > > > Gigastudio streams sounds direct from the hard drive which means you > never > > > really have to worry about memory running out, especially when compared > > with > > > the 256meg you get from hardware samplers. > > > not only that, it means I can have my whole sample library stored on the > > > hard drive and there at the touch of a button like keyboard presets, no > > more > > > time consuming loading and searching through CD roms. > > > Dont bother with hardware samplers . Gigastudio has made virtually all > of > > my > > > studio redundant .(sounds like an advert !!) > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > http://www.vision68.co.uk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > > > > > > > You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get > > > > confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a > > analog > > > > synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told > some > > > are > > > > hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the > > korg > > > > electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the > > > roland, > > > > played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then > I > > > > asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is > > the > > > > Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go > > > down > > > > below to LA to poke around. > > > > > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > > > admin@k... > > > > 661-723-0266 > > > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [tadream] synths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > > > > > > > > > > > What I want to do is take some samples of several different > > equipment > > > > and > > > > > > play them. I want to also be able to modify, store, re-arrange and > > > other > > > > > > terrible sound torture stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you get a sampler then? > > > > > I've got a Yamaha A3000 and it's got a full blown synth > > > > > engine in it, with EG's, filters, fx processor etc. > > > > > They're even quite cheap second hand. > > > > > > > > > > Marcel > > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > > > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Tour Descriptions >From: 'tei waz' >Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:46 am >Subject: re; zebby one-offs.... > >> >>From: Morgan Feldon >>http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/81uk.html > > >It contains accurate descriptions >of what happened, track-by-track, on every tour and one-off concert from >1980 (cept the 01.31.80 show) to the present (other than labeling < > >also other than it missing the soundtrack show they did 15 november >1986--the music in the movies mill valley film festival benefit..... It's hard to write a detailed discography when no known bootleg exists. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33063 Re: Tour Descriptions tei waz Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: Szatmari Pal Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths ... Franke-In-A-Box >have you considered a waldorf microwave? it's almost as bizarre as a Z1, and >available in a rack unit. Would a Whirlpool microwave do? It grills, too. ;-) From: Szatmari Pal Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull >I have always liked that sound.....even though it appears in lots of pieces. >But what is it really? To the best of my knowledge it is a modulated sinus wave, and as Chris has been using it extensively, I think it is _his_ baby. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33013 Re: Alien Seagull Wade Gordon Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 8:08 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 3/26/2002 3:53:10 AM Central Standard Time, > Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > > > > Is this the 'Valentine Wheels' CD? (at least first half) > > Have to check at home. Or was that earlier? > > a. > > *Speaking of Valentine Wheels, could someone give me the lowdown on this > album? > I almost picked it up the other day, but seemed to remember that someone > mentioned it had lots of sax in it... That era is not to my taste... I didn't > care for 220 volts for example... > Poly > I bought Valentines when it came out and was at the actual gig,and can assure you theres absolutely no SAX on it,the CD consists of the Vintage set of the concert,the line UP being Edgar Jerome Zlatko Perica on Guitars and Emil Hachfeld on percussion,also saw them at Bristol on the 97 tour and certainly saw or heard no Sax there,mind you i was rather the worse for wear at Bristol,and got so excited when EF came to the front of the stage at the end of the main-set,i shook his hand and nearly managed to pull him off stage,Phew im just glad it did not Happen. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'convention24' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > From: 'René Brenner' > > > Does anyone know on which CD you can find Tangerine Dream live at SBE > > (Shepherd's Bush Empire in London), recorded at May, 12th 2001. > > > There's no official release, only a concert bootleg. > > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > www.eclipsecafe.com I have a 3cdr copy of the Sheps 2001 concert,which i obtained from a thouroughly nice chap whom is a member of the mailing list,and excellent sound to,met Gary Jenkins and a many others at that gig,a beautiful may day in London,it was a smashing day,even managed to grab Edgars sweaty towel at the end,still under lock and key in a local bank vault,hoping to get it signed one day, Offers over £100000 Considered. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33005 Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE hyperboreauk Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths ... Franke-In-A-Box If I use that I will have to post that silly note here in California 'Warning Microwave in use at this facility '. ;-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Szatmari Pal' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths ... Franke-In-A-Box > >have you considered a waldorf microwave? it's almost as bizarre as a Z1, > and > >available in a rack unit. > > Would a Whirlpool microwave do? It grills, too. ;-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths ----- Original Message ----- From: Administrator for kay-net.com To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > I see. To use digital I would have to get a a/d unit. no, the Delta card has both analogue and digital ins and outs. I would stick to > analog out in that case. have you tried Win 2000 or xp yet for that odd > crash? i think there`s a few bugs when you use Giga with win 2000 and xp > Making up a system like this is not a problem. Just I would have three pcs > running. Two is more than enough problems on some gigs. I see your point in > the delta cards, they have been rated rather good. I have not use them or > had a chance to mess with them. > If I add lights to the gigs then I would have 4 pcs running. Again this gets > too much to handle on one's own. I wouldn`t take part in a gig that was run by 4 PCs !!!! thats asking for trouble :) Paul From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths There would be the rubs huh? Does Giga have a web site? I think I want to poke more into this to see. I have been upgrading systems for the past month to 2000. My day job is System Administrator. I get to do it all as my department is 3 persons tops. I have found 2000 to cure so many of my past problems, I use it now for anything new I build for my other business. I found that I can use cakewalk to handle the lights and effects during large gigs, hence the 4th system if I did this. One for recording, one for sequencing, one for sampler. yea that is one too many. I see what hair I have left on top getting less. I am looking at Yamaha's web site at the A5000 right now. It looks very interesting. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > > > I see. To use digital I would have to get a a/d unit. > > no, the Delta card has both analogue and digital ins and outs. > > > I would stick to > > analog out in that case. have you tried Win 2000 or xp yet for that odd > > crash? > > i think there`s a few bugs when you use Giga with win 2000 and xp > > > > > Making up a system like this is not a problem. Just I would have three pcs > > running. Two is more than enough problems on some gigs. I see your point > in > > the delta cards, they have been rated rather good. I have not use them or > > had a chance to mess with them. > > If I add lights to the gigs then I would have 4 pcs running. Again this > gets > > too much to handle on one's own. > > > I wouldn`t take part in a gig that was run by 4 PCs !!!! thats asking for > trouble :) > > Paul > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >