From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 8:59
pm
Subject: Re: Legend DVD and Shy people
Hi List-members,
I just re-subbed after being away for a long time but recently I have been
browsing the discussions in the archives.
Now to the Legend thread:
I have been waiting for Legend to be released on DVD so that I could enjoy
some bonus material (for example soundtrack selection between the two
scores) and now it seems that the Ultimate Edition DVD will be kept for the
US market. It just sucks. I had hated DVD region codes but now I hate them
more than ever. The European release sucks big time: it includes the
European cut with Dolby stereo sound and the only bonus is an American
theatrical trailer. Ridiculous and pathetic if I compare the two releases.
I have seen the European cut several times. I myself like Jerry Goldsmith.
Great composer but his Legend soundtrack is nothing special to me. When
later I bought the TD soundtrack on CD... wow. I felt it fit the movie like
a glove.
---------------
Last night Shy people was shown on TV. Well, Mr. Konchalovsky does not seem
to be a music-lover :-P ... No music under main titles, actually no music
for 30 minutes... then some non-TD music and then only 3 or 4 inserts of TD
music 2 of which were lifted from The Park is Mine! Strange.
The movie itself was a let-down for me.
Ciao,
Pal
From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 4:23
pm
Subject: Re: *Logotypes' *NOT* 'Logostypes'!
The original title for this boot is 'Logotypes'. 'Logostypes' came
into being as the result of an apparent misunderstanding of the title
as reported to the individual making the original CD-R copies
(hmmm...talk about oxymoronic! :)) and was subsequently placed on the
temp art sent out on them while the true art was still being finished.
I am familiar with all of the individuals involved in the making of
this CD, so I know this report firsthand.
As to the content, it contains the complete 1st set and 2/3 of the 2nd
set (which with the reworked first 6 mins. of the 1st set in place of
'Mojave Plan' comprised _Logos_.) Here's the liner notes from the
original 'edition':
+++++++++++++++
TANGERINE DREAM
LOGOTYPES ? POLYGON STUDIO BERLIN 1982
Whenever fans are asked to list their favorite TD albums, Logos ? Live
at The Dominion is very often at or near the top. Coming at the end of
1982, Logos represents both an end and a beginning; an end to the
mostly improvised performances which made every show a unique
experience, and the beginning of the tightly sequenced, rhythymically
dynamic and melodically structured direction that has continued to the
present. It was also a representation of the very prolific output from
the band during this time. Between 1970 and 1979, TD released 12
albums; between 1980 and 1982 they released 6! This was also the
beginning of their reign in Hollywood: no fewer than 9 soundtracks
were composed during this period; including Strange Behaviour, Thief,
The Soldier, Tatort and The Keep. That kind of output continued
throughout the 80?s. Logos reflects all of these elements and more
within its? continuously shifting patterns. This is not to say that
the music was (is) uninspired; quite to the contrary, the newfound
direction was a logical and necessary step in the evolution of TD?s
sound. The inspirational muse of the band merely moved from
improvisation to composititon. Themes and structures were now
developed rather than ?discovered?. But within the compositions,
there remains a rich and varied texture of sound, which can and does
reward the listener with a new experience upon every play. This is the
essence of a true artist. This is the essence of Tangerine Dream.
This disc was taken from a soundboard cassette of the rehearsals for
the 1982 fall tour. The first track contains over 20 minutes of
material not available elswhere. The second track begins midway
through ?Mojave Plan?, and ends after the second theme from ?Logos
Part B?, here called ?Descent Into Madness?. All track titles are my
?impressions? of the theme except where a real title exists. All flaws
in the material are present on the cassette; hiss, flutter (?Renewed
Purpose?), dropouts (the first 5 minutes of ?Mojave Plan? were
unusable) and edits (?The Keep?). The remaining 10 minutes of the
second set were edited due to space limitations.
+++++++++++
Of course, now that we have official titles for some of the
'impressions', the art should be updated. I doubt that they'd be
bothered, though. :)
goozer
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote:
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
>
> > As I wrote, I don't have much stuff from 'The Keep' (in fact, only the
> > BM boot), but I thought that 'Hijack' was the name from 'The Keep'.
> > Is this incorrect?
>
>
> As far as I know the title comes from 'Logostype' and not from any
of The
> Keep releases. Logostype contains the first 5 minutes of the Logos
concert
> (with the title 'Hijack'), then the 50 minutes of music that was cut
from
> the offical Logos release.
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
> www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
> www.mst3uk.com
> www.eclipsecafe.com
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 3:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle
Ah, I had no idea. I just guessed by the release date - now, don't tell me it
wasn't released in 1977 :)
thanks for the correction
GJ
>'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE
>
> I have a 3cdr copy of the Sheps 2001 concert,which i obtained from a
> thouroughly nice chap whom is a member of the mailing list,and
> excellent sound to,met Gary Jenkins and a many others at that gig,a
> beautiful may day in London,it was a smashing day,even managed to
> grab Edgars sweaty towel at the end,still under lock and key in a
> local bank vault,hoping to get it signed one day, Offers over £100000
> Considered.
That really was a nice day, I took my wife with me to London and we stayed
there for a couple of days (needless to say that she didn't want to go to
the concert, she was watching the Eurovision Song Contest on TV instead
~lol~). I was sitting right next to the person who recorded the show with his
Minidisc recorder up in the balcony section, outside it was 25°C and it must
have been even warmer inside the concert hall. A few minutes into the gig
Edgar & Jerome already seem to be bathing in sweat and were asking for
towels. As usual the security staff showed no mercy and I remember a few
people had to leave the hall because they tried taking photographs, or
weren't smart enough to hide their recording equipment.
Heiko
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:31
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE
--- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote:
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote:
> > From: 'René Brenner'
> >
a
> Hi Colin yes I agree A great day back in May it was great to meet
you and a few others only regret did not meet more people from the
list.This will always be a special day for me as you already know it
was the last time my great friend Ian witnessed this great group live
and if i ever get to see them again it will be very strange going
without him.Another memory that will stick in my mind is you fighting
for that towel lol.
Cheers Gary
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
a
>
>
>
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:37
am
Subject: TDI The Keep
Hi again probably a very daft question but if anybody on this list
has got a copy of the TDI release of The Keep they might consider
selling, does not matter which year please contact me off list I
would make a very serious offer.
Cheers Gary
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI The Keep
I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hyperboreauk [mailto:hyperborea@b...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] TDI The Keep
>
>
> Hi again probably a very daft question but if anybody on this list
> has got a copy of the TDI release of The Keep they might consider
> selling, does not matter which year please contact me off list I
> would make a very serious offer.
>
> Cheers Gary
>
> www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI The Keep
Michael A Jean wrote:
>
> I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week...
Yes, but the auction is closed now. US $405.00 wow!
Antonio
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI The Keep
405 bucks????? Damnit, I should have bought more when
I got mine...
a.
>
>
> Michael A Jean wrote:
> >
> > I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week...
>
> Yes, but the auction is closed now. US $405.00 wow!
>
> Antonio
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From:
RJF
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 2:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI The Keep
>
>405 bucks????? Damnit, I should have bought more when
>I got mine...
>
I don't understand it. I've heard this and it's not worth a $4.
--
Richard F
From:
'heineu'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 2:16
pm
Subject: TD News in ELEKTROBEATS today ???
Hi all,
today at Radio Eins will be broadcast the 'ElktroBeats Show' and I
hope I can hear NEWS about the Concert in June in Berlin
(Museumsinsel). I will recorded this show, and I will posted another
email with the result.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
(update: 25.03.2002)
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17 TDI CDs for only 9.99 Euros / 8 $ - each!!!
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The Tangerine Dream Band 1969 (no joke). UNDERGROUND film pictures a
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:08
pm
Subject: go check your mail
I'd be surprised if they got there lready, but stanger things have
happened...
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull
Is there a complete list of there of all of the
appearances of Chris's 'Alien Seagull?' It would be
nice to see its evolution so to speak.
Wade
--- Szatmari Pal wrote:
> >I have always liked that sound.....even though it
> appears in lots of
> pieces.
> >But what is it really?
>
> To the best of my knowledge it is a modulated sinus
> wave, and as Chris has
> been using it extensively, I think it is _his_ baby.
>
>
>
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:39
pm
Subject: SBE
Heiko
It wasn't a case of being smart enough to hide recording gear. The staff were
probably SAS trained! They were finding recorders on people near to me
that I didn't know had recorders working.
It is easy enough to get the equipment in. It is not so easy to have it
working when you are sitting down.
Weren't you standing up downstairs anyway? If so that was probably why it was
easier to record with lots of people moving about.
There are only 2 concerts I haven't been able to record and they were both at
SBE, TD that night and Patti Smith.
David
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno CD - first impressions
can you tell us who is singing what parts?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
> (most noticeably in the part where Iris Kulterer is singing),
> Janey Klimek's vocals must have been partly re-recorded
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:39
pm
Subject: The Keep (Orange records)
Hi all,
I still can't believe that this record isn't available at every
street corner. It's a pressed CD, not a CDR.
I've put a little info onto my homepage, inc MP3's of the four
extra tracks. Please help in identifying their original source,
any feedback is welcome.
http://www.caby.de/Music
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:03
pm
Subject: CD's
Can CDs wear out? I'm asking because I had Are you sequenced on my computer
on constant repeat for 2 weeks, until I changed it on 26 March to Cyclone to
celebrate having seen TD for the first time 24 years ago on 26 / 3 / 78.
Now playing Valentine Wheels. Inferno should be arriving anyday.
David
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] go check your mail
?
what are you telling me?
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: [tadream] go check your mail
> I'd be surprised if they got there lready, but stanger things have
> happened...
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] go check your mail
oops! meant for Al offlist.
Might as well say I got my disks Saturday and had them mailed out by Monday.
Very nice.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:08 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [tadream] go check your mail
>
>
> I'd be surprised if they got there lready, but stanger things have
> happened...
>
>
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:20
pm
Subject: OT? Z1
On the subject of the Z1... has anyone tried the sounds of zi rom card for the
proteus synths? Just curious how they compare...
I'm thinking of picking up one of the xk1 keyboards from emu when they come out
(and after I've had a chance to test one), and maybe loading it up with the z1
rom card.
The arpeggiator on the new xk keys sounds very intriguing.
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:14
pm
Subject: Chris Franke sounds
I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound.
Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the sound of it) it
very well probably was the Moog modular or something along that vein. That
means it should be fairly easy to approximate in something like the Nord
modular or some software synths.
Can't say that I've ever tried, but I think that it might be an interesting
experiment.
Makes me wonder whether by any chance it appears on the Sonic Images sampling
cds from QUpArts.
<<
Subject: Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull
>>If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo
>>album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at
>>2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is
>>not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien
>>seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by
>>Phase'.
Does anyone know what instrument was used to produce the sound, and if
there is a WAV file of it.
--
Richard F>>>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator
Skip function is very important.
FWIW, reading the xk manual, looks like the new arpeggiator does have a skip
function.
Regarding romplers... if you have a computer and want to put most of your
investment towards say a Z1, you can still get something like Sampletank or
(better and cheaper IMO) Sonic Reality. That way you can have the best of both
worlds.
The advantage of something like sampletank over a hardware rompler (at this
point in time) is the huge waveshapes that are possible on the computer.
IMO, the software side is not to be overlooked as a very viable source of sound
generators.
Dale, also your idea of sampling your hardware synths and creating presets to
play is I think another interesting path to explore.
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:37
pm
Subject: OT Samplers
For ease of use and visual feedback - and especially for studio use, I think
it's difficult to beat a software sampler.
Halion is cool and fairly 'brainless' to use.
EMU is coming out with a software Emulator.
Also check out Kontakt from Native Instruments.
Good luck!
<<
Subject: Re: synths
You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get
confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a analog
synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told some are
hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the korg
electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the roland,
played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then I
asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is the
Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go down
below to LA to poke around.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT? Z1
read about it too.
I decided to stick to cakewalk to use as a arpeggiator, so I have that start
and stop as needed (just set a hot key up to start track, stop track,
rewind, play etc, to midi keyboard).
Even a midi footswitch worked fine. I also been looking at the body wear
midi devices. Like the gloves and motion sensors to trigger the events as
needed. Imagine waving your hand or pointing at a object to trigger a
sound/sequence etc. Just GOD like. Tie that into the lights or a few flash
pots and it's 'SHOWTIME'.
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT? Z1
> On the subject of the Z1... has anyone tried the sounds of zi rom card for
the proteus synths? Just curious how they compare...
>
> I'm thinking of picking up one of the xk1 keyboards from emu when they
come out (and after I've had a chance to test one), and maybe loading it up
with the z1 rom card.
>
> The arpeggiator on the new xk keys sounds very intriguing.
>
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: [tree] SHN files for download
SHN edition of the tree is now available for download! (ftp)
At the current time, we can only accept one download applicant with
BROADBAND access. Please reply, and the first person who replies will
obtain access. Sorry only one at this time, but we are going to see how it
goes with one person first, then add more if possible.
>From the Tree database, I show the following SHN people as not having yet
received their disks, and not being about to receive them immediately due to
their branch having them:
Chad Vance
Craig Chambers
Craig Claerbaut
Dan Downey
Emanue Salgado Vieira Neto
Greg Heil
Gustavo Jobim
James Owens
Jeff Lester
Jeff Pearce
John Christian
Karl W. Reinsch
Kevin Jowers
Mark Filipak
Michael W. Daniels
Morgan Feldon
Neil Faiman
Richard Maggio
tei waz
Thomas Beuthe
Timo Astala
Utch Entel
Vince LeGrand
Thanks,
Joe
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke sounds
No it doesn`t .but there are a few other good Franke sounds on there, as
well as some TD sounds from Undrwater sunlight era .
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:14 PM
Subject: [tadream] Chris Franke sounds
> I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound.
>
> Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the sound of it)
it very well probably was the Moog modular or something along that vein.
That means it should be fairly easy to approximate in something like the
Nord modular or some software synths.
>
> Can't say that I've ever tried, but I think that it might be an
interesting experiment.
>
> Makes me wonder whether by any chance it appears on the Sonic Images
sampling cds from QUpArts.
>
>
> << Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:40:17 +0000
> From: RJF
> Subject: Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull
>
> >>If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo
> >>album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at
> >>2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is
> >>not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the
alien
> >>seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase
by
> >>Phase'.
>
> Does anyone know what instrument was used to produce the sound, and if
> there is a WAV file of it.
> --
> Richard F>>>
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris Franke sounds
> From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
>
> I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound.
>
> Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the
> sound of it) it very well probably was the Moog modular or
> something along that vein. That means it should be fairly easy to
> approximate in something like the Nord modular or some software synths.
Hmm didn't I say that a week ago?
It comes from the Moog Modular.
If it is done on the Nord Modular it will be different
because the Nord modular is not a Moog modular. :-)
Marcel
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 10:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations
I've listened to about the first 8 tracks of TDI's 'proper' Inferno release
(it arrived Monday) and I've gotta agree with Peter Ravn--the TDI release
sounds sterile. Certainly doesn't have the live warmth of any of the live
fan recordings I've heard from both 7 October 2001 shows.
While the resolution of the TDI version is better as to be expected,
unfortunately the vocals are prominently forward in the mix. I don't know
about you, but I like TD to primarily let the music do the speaking, not the
vox--so needless to say I give a much bigger thumb up to the live fan
recordings.
Additionally, I see no point whatsoever in adding the cut-and-paste 'clap'
track at the beginning of the disc--it doesn't sound right--certainly not
for St. Marien Kirche--it reminds me of livemiles.
A new TD release has been a long time coming. Hope the next one seems less
like Purgatory.
;)
--T (still looking fwd to the SHN tree version)
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:52
pm
Subject: RE: SHN discs
wow- that wsa fast!
I think I remember someone saying something about it, and poeple might want
to lynch me, but I made my own track times for bernau. there was no cue
sheet, the file was one big wav, and the track times given point to the
middle of songs! I broke up the track times more appropriately for my
redbook copies, and
Ther eis also an error on the Bilbao disk 2: there is a gap of about 1/2
second of silence at the end o track 2 AND the beginning of track 3. I
removed the silence, and also corrected one gap in the crowd noise inside
track 3 by mixing in some crowd noise over the gap. looks (sounds) like
that one slipped through the editing cracks, so to speak. I wasted 7 or 8
CDRs trying to figure out what I was doing wrong to get those gaps between
the tracks! I (incorrectly) assumed that the SHN files were ready to burn
right away. But since most of the other disks were single track, or
already broken into tracks, it wasn't an issue on any others, except:
BERNAU TRACK TIMES
Honestly, I was being completely stupid and forgot that the track times were
listed on the artwork. The SHN extracts to one big wav file instead of
individual tracks so I thought it was up to me to either burn as one huge
track, or more sensibly, create my own track times. So I broke the disk up
into tracks, based upon my listening to the music, and where I thought the
music made major breaks into new themes or interludes. It wasn't until
after I had already burnt off most of my Redbooks that I remembered about
the track times being on the artwork. But when I compared, the original
artwork track times didn't make sense to me. It seemed that they were cut
in the middle of songs, but of course it's hard to define sometimes when the
music is all stitched together. Comparing my track times to the original
ones, they do match at certain points, like the end of track 2 for example,
but others break at different points.
So, I was going to include the original versions with my versions, but I ran
out of blanks. I had already made some with my new (ahem, 'correct') times,
and it would be no big deal to make another copy, but it was Monday morning
(I pulled an allnighter burning Sunday night!) and I had to leave, and I
didn't have time to make another batch right then, and I just wanted to get
these to the post office asap. I had everything else all done, so i just
went to the post office and sent them out as-is. Now, I really am not fond
of the idea that there are two different versions of track times floating
around, but I really like mine better, and it's too late. And I guess you
could say there were already 2 versions, with the official release out.
Maybe I'll revise the artwork to reflect my times if I ... find the time.
So, in case anyone is upset by this, I apologize in advance.
7:14
4:41
2:20
1:17
7:57
12:17
7:10
1:34
3:02
15:21
8:36
0:44
1:11
5:11
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:53 PM
> To: Joe Shoults
> Subject: SHN discs
>
>
> I just got your SHN discs.
>
> Have you heard anything about some of the discs having
> indexing problems?
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:52
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] RE: SHN discs
i'd posted the track timings of the official inferno cd some days ago:
1. Before The Closing Of the day 4:50
2. The spirit of Virgil 2:39
3. Minotaurae hunt at dawn 3:24
4. Those once broke the first word 3:38
5. Dante in dispair 3:25
6. Io non mor 5:49
7. Vidi tre face 4:41
8. At the deepest point in space 2:38
9. L'omperador del deloroso regno 4:45
10. Voices in the starless night 4:14
11. Fear and longing 3:06
12. Fallen for Death 4:38
13. Where all light went silent 3:39
14. Charon, il barchere 3:59
15. La grey de los almas perdidas 7:28
16. Justice of the karma law 3:02
17. As the sun moves towards heaven 7:57
18. Beatrice, l'ame infinite 5:10
there's not too much relationship between the tree tarck timings and the
official.
to verify the integrty of the uploaded file please use the md5-checksum.
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Marz 2002 00:53
> An: 'Morgan Feldon'
> Cc: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Betreff: [tadream] RE: SHN discs
>
>
> wow- that wsa fast!
>
> I think I remember someone saying something about it, and
> poeple might want
> to lynch me, but I made my own track times for bernau. there
> was no cue
> sheet, the file was one big wav, and the track times given
> point to the
> middle of songs! I broke up the track times more appropriately for my
> redbook copies, and
>
> Ther eis also an error on the Bilbao disk 2: there is a gap
> of about 1/2
> second of silence at the end o track 2 AND the beginning of
> track 3. I
> removed the silence, and also corrected one gap in the crowd
> noise inside
> track 3 by mixing in some crowd noise over the gap. looks
> (sounds) like
> that one slipped through the editing cracks, so to speak. I
> wasted 7 or 8
> CDRs trying to figure out what I was doing wrong to get those
> gaps between
> the tracks! I (incorrectly) assumed that the SHN files were
> ready to burn
> right away. But since most of the other disks were single track, or
> already broken into tracks, it wasn't an issue on any others, except:
>
> BERNAU TRACK TIMES
>
> Honestly, I was being completely stupid and forgot that the
> track times were
> listed on the artwork. The SHN extracts to one big wav file
> instead of
> individual tracks so I thought it was up to me to either burn
> as one huge
> track, or more sensibly, create my own track times. So I
> broke the disk up
> into tracks, based upon my listening to the music, and where
> I thought the
> music made major breaks into new themes or interludes. It
> wasn't until
> after I had already burnt off most of my Redbooks that I
> remembered about
> the track times being on the artwork. But when I compared,
> the original
> artwork track times didn't make sense to me. It seemed that
> they were cut
> in the middle of songs, but of course it's hard to define
> sometimes when the
> music is all stitched together. Comparing my track times to
> the original
> ones, they do match at certain points, like the end of track
> 2 for example,
> but others break at different points.
>
> So, I was going to include the original versions with my
> versions, but I ran
> out of blanks. I had already made some with my new (ahem,
> 'correct') times,
> and it would be no big deal to make another copy, but it was
> Monday morning
> (I pulled an allnighter burning Sunday night!) and I had to
> leave, and I
> didn't have time to make another batch right then, and I just
> wanted to get
> these to the post office asap. I had everything else all
> done, so i just
> went to the post office and sent them out as-is. Now, I
> really am not fond
> of the idea that there are two different versions of track
> times floating
> around, but I really like mine better, and it's too late.
> And I guess you
> could say there were already 2 versions, with the official
> release out.
> Maybe I'll revise the artwork to reflect my times if I ...
> find the time.
> So, in case anyone is upset by this, I apologize in advance.
>
> 7:14
> 4:41
> 2:20
> 1:17
> 7:57
> 12:17
> 7:10
> 1:34
> 3:02
> 15:21
> 8:36
> 0:44
> 1:11
> 5:11
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:53 PM
> > To: Joe Shoults
> > Subject: SHN discs
> >
> >
> > I just got your SHN discs.
> >
> > Have you heard anything about some of the discs having
> > indexing problems?
> >
> > -Morgan
> >
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:46
am
Subject: Joe's Inferno Re: [tadream] RE: SHN discs
Well, don't worry; I've just uploaded [to our files folder] a revised version
of the Inferno back cover for anyone interested, with Joe's times. just look
for tree_volume03_bernau2001_back_joes_times.jpg .
who now isn't sure which version to use :)
or... I think I'll create a better track division ;)
>Now, I really am not fond of the idea that there are two different versions of
track times floating around, but I really like mine better, and it's too late.
And I guess you could say there were already 2 versions, with the official
release out. Maybe I'll revise the artwork to reflect my times if I ... find
the time. So, in case anyone is upset by this, I apologize in advance.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:46
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ...
Yeah, I think the same way. One of my best pieces, Clouds (guess inspired by
who), is almost 35 minutes long, in 16 voices - just because I forgot to
configurate the polyphony parameters - and ummm, 4 timbres. One of them is only
played in the final part, so it's almost a 12-voice track. 'Berlin school' in
the blood. :)
>The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but
>also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256
>voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case
>of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running.
>
>Marcel
>http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
>mengels@w...
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:19
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: SHN discs
you know, at first I thought, 'Damn - wish I had seen that post with the
track times.' I had even gone to the TDI website to see if it had the track
names for my submission to the gracenote database, but on second thought I'm
glad we didn't use the TDI track times. More in the spirit of a fan disk,
IMO, than a knock-off of the official version.
Speaking of gracenote, anyone want to offer up track names for any of the
disks? I'll submit them to gracenote (nee cddb) so the disk info comes up
automatically in a compliant player like Winamp.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Herbert
i'd posted the track timings of the official inferno cd some days ago:
1. Before The Closing Of the day 4:50
2. The spirit of Virgil 2:39
3. Minotaurae hunt at dawn 3:24
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:27
am
Subject: RE: Joe's Inferno Re: [tadream] RE: SHN discs
I've copied it over to the tadream site so you don't have to be logged into
yahoogourps to access it:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/treeimages/bernau2001_back.jpg
link added to artwork page in tree info. thanks, Gustavo!
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Gustavo Jobim
Well, don't worry; I've just uploaded [to our files folder] a revised
version of the Inferno back cover for anyone interested, with Joe's
times. just look for tree_volume03_bernau2001_back_joes_times.jpg .
From:
'Eric Williamson'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator
liondream spoke:
>Skip function is very important.
>FWIW, reading the xk manual, looks like the new arpeggiator does have a skip
function.
unfortunately it appears to be buried under 18 menus. not very useful.
also, they nested it into the 'pitch offset' variable ... which makes it
relatively _unplayable_ in a chris-franke-style context.
very nice of you to point that out, though. thanks.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD - first impressions
> can you tell us who is singing what parts?
i don't have the CD with me in the office (right now I'm listening to
Newcastle 25 October 1981 :-)
but I think it was Track No. 15 (La grey de los almas perdidas) which was
sung by Iris Kulterer. All other vocals are by Janey Klimek.
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE
> Weren't you standing up downstairs anyway? If so that was probably why it
was easier to record with lots of people moving about.
No, I was sitting in the balcony section. The person who recorded the show is a
'pro', he also taped many shows in the 70s like Croydon '75 (the tree version),
London '75, Brighton '76, London '78 etc
etc. He was hiding the MD recorder in his heavy brown leather jacket. I felt
sorry for him since it was so extremly warm that day ;-)
Heiko
From:
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:15
am
Subject: ElektroBeats 27.03.2002
Hi Guys,
sorry, no NEWS about the concert in June 15. 2002 in Berlin. Yesterday in the
Radio eins ElektroBeats Radio Show, the Moderator Olaf Zimmermann says only
this about the concert:
'this was an track from the forthcoming album Inferno that they will be
performed live in Berlin 15.06.2002 at the Museumsinsel'
No more.
I hope that TD will be performend the second part of the La Divinna Commedia.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de (update: 25.03.2002)
www.tribute-to-ashra.de (with online CD shop)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:23
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] track names
>Speaking of gracenote, anyone want to offer up track names for any of the
>disks? I'll submit them to gracenote (nee cddb) so the disk info comes up
>automatically in a compliant player like Winamp.
>
>Joe
Well, Croydon part 2 _definetly_ is the same as Ricochet Part 2.
Also. One day when listening to Vol.1, I was thinking if it should get a
name. I came up with 'Radian March Parts 1, 2 & 3'.
I mean, it really is like a march, especially the first set sounds pretty
military in the middle. And 'radian'? Well, this was known as Me-Rad for a
long time, but I don't get what that means.. so I unacronymed the Rad and
removed the Me.
(For the mathematically challenged: one radian equals 180/pi degrees)
Vol. 5 should be pretty easy to add track names to (if you split it up).
Some combination of the unofficial and official names for Vol. 8 could also
be nice..
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:40
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ...
>Yeah, I think the same way. One of my best pieces, Clouds (guess inspired
>by who), is almost 35 minutes long, in 16 voices - just because I forgot to
>configurate the polyphony parameters - and ummm, 4 timbres. One of them is
>only played in the final part, so it's almost a 12-voice track. 'Berlin
>school' in the blood. :)
>
> >The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but
> >also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256
> >voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case
> >of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running.
I've sometimes noticed quite the opposite. Take Cherokee Lane for example.
It's easy to think it as just a sequencer pulse + 2-3 main voices. Then, one
day, I listened to that on double pitch. And wow; I spotted half a dozen
sublevels more! Like, when the Mellotron-flute section begins, there's a
very slow & deep bass pulse underneath... It's actually quite diverse.
Another very good example: White Eagle. I count almost 20 voices being used.
That's still far from 256, but does anyone really use all those in just 1
track, even though a long one perhaps?
And if you refer to general usage of voices in one's music - TD did all the
time develop new voices, right? They did not stick with these few old ones;
so saying you were influenced by them when not using much voices is
oxymoronic to me.
--end amateur comment--
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull
>Is there a complete list of there of all of the
>appearances of Chris's 'Alien Seagull?' It would be
>nice to see its evolution so to speak.
>
>Wade
Well, that's what my megalomanic plan of 'Themes Database' would also
cover...
To start this process however, I think I'll need some dozen bootlegs more &
lots of free time.
John Vertical
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Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:58
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Subject: Coaster
Hola
Not jokingly I think this really is quite nice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=854458117
Rgds
Jeffrey
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From:
'Eberly, Daniel (DE)'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:34
pm
Subject: Romplers ?
>Regarding romplers... if you have a computer and want to put most of your
investment towards say a Z1, you can still get
>something like Sampletank or (better and cheaper IMO) Sonic Reality. That
way you can have the best of both worlds.
>
>The advantage of something like sampletank over a hardware rompler (at this
point in time) is the huge waveshapes that are
>possible on the computer.
>
>IMO, the software side is not to be overlooked as a very viable source of
sound generators.
Question: What is a 'rompler' ??
--Dan
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From:
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Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Museumsinsel / tree-response
>
>No more.
>I hope that TD will be performend the second part of the La Divinna Commedia.
>
Hi guys,
I just thought I´d set the record straight before speculations arise...
the shows on June 15th (Berlin- Museumsinsel) and Aug. 23/24 (Burg
Nideggen) will be Inferno part 1, i.e. they will be in a similar vein to
the Bernau-show. Burg Nideggen will feature an enhanced line-up, though.
Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with
the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More
to follow on this... ;-)
So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling
and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo!
...oh yes... and a happy Easter to you all!
Best,
Martin
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
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Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Coaster
Hah, I should get this to go along with my triangular TD bottle opener I
picked up at one of their shows. It was too odd to pass up. Maybe I can equip a
full wet bar with TD props, I could use my old vinyl for placemats. My coolest
bit of TD gear is an umbrella from the Le Parc CD with their logo on it. I got
that at the same show as the bottle opener. It's a good way to encounter TD
fans.
DanD
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From:
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Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:19
pm
Subject: Re: Coaster
--- In tadream@y..., Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote:
>
> Not jokingly I think this really is quite nice:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=854458117
I've been using my copies of 'Ambient Monkeys' and 'Zoning' as
coasters for years...heh heh. ;-)
-Sean (coming out of hiding, sort of)
From:
'sean_w_montgomery'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:48
pm
Subject: Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response
--- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather
impressed with
> the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very
much. More
> to follow on this... ;-)
Oh Martin, you wicked boy. Making such innuendo-laden statements in
here is like tossing hunks of meat in a pirhana tank. ;-)
Incidentally, I haven't had time to listen to the whole set yet, but
as others has said, the Nottingham show really is a
highlight...particularly Part Two, which is like an extended medley of
material from Ricochet and Sorcerer, but played live with six hands.
I find a lot of 70s TD gets bogged down in rather boring extended
noodling...this one rises above that. Other shows I've listened to,
like Croydon and Bilbao, suggest that TD's best musical moments did
did their way onto official releases, even though it's interesting to
hear them as originally performed live.
I wrote some gushing prose about Inferno a few weeks ago, when I'd
only heard about half of it. Now that I've heard the whole thing a
few times, I'm not quite so gushing...but I still think it's the best
thing TD's done since DM1. 'La Grey de los almas perditas' and the
last three minutes of 'As the Sun Moves Closer to Heaven' are definite
highlights. If TD could get songs like these put on the soundtrack of
a Hollywood film, I could see them moving a lot of copies of this
record.
-Sean
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Museumsinsel / tree-response
>So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling
>and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo!
That was so very very nice to know... you forgot mentioning Marko! He's done a
great job too.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: synths
Hi, I just wanted to give a contribution to the [very nice] discussion... I'm
still very new into this, so I don't know much (or I know zero) about this and
that synth, this or that company, but I've got a roland xp-30 synth (dad and
grandma gave me) one year and some months ago, and I think it's a fantastic
synth for its price (some 1400-1500 US dollars or something, back then).
It comes already with some 1400 timbres, 3 expansion boards on-board, and of
course, you can create your own timbres (I've barely began doing this), with a
good user memory size, and there are 4 sliders, and one very nice arpeggiator
(I just HAD to have a synth with arpeggiator! :) anyway, better go to the
roland page and see its specs. I'm very happy with it. You can do some very
nice sounds right from the box.
ah, one down side of the xp-30: menus, menus, menus. I took some time to get
used to the many wolf-3D-like 'rooms' it has. and I'm still discovering stuff.
Ok, I don't explore it as much as I should, but I have this terrible lack of
time. but I think the quality of the sounds and the many possibilities of the
xp-30 make up for this negative point.
i want a sampler.
and a drum machine. (or maybe not.)
just my 2 cents.
(who is going to buy a vintage synth expansion board for the xp-30 some day in
May... hmmm! :)
np: madrigal meridian (I actually do like cyclone; maybe it's even in a
possible top ten list...) I find it nice how this music ends, then there's
another bit of music, then another bit of music before it finally finishes.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: synths ...
John
You comments where dead on for me.
I have been taking apart many of TD stuff and putting it back together. I
find layer on layer on tracks. If you listen to one layer without the rest,
something is missing. Like taking the cow bell off Blue Oyster's Cult's
'Don't Fear the Reaper'. It is that obvious sometimes.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ...
> >Yeah, I think the same way. One of my best pieces, Clouds (guess inspired
> >by who), is almost 35 minutes long, in 16 voices - just because I forgot
to
> >configurate the polyphony parameters - and ummm, 4 timbres. One of them
is
> >only played in the final part, so it's almost a 12-voice track. 'Berlin
> >school' in the blood. :)
> >
> > >The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but
> > >also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256
> > >voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case
> > >of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running.
>
>
> I've sometimes noticed quite the opposite. Take Cherokee Lane for example.
> It's easy to think it as just a sequencer pulse + 2-3 main voices. Then,
one
> day, I listened to that on double pitch. And wow; I spotted half a dozen
> sublevels more! Like, when the Mellotron-flute section begins, there's a
> very slow & deep bass pulse underneath... It's actually quite diverse.
> Another very good example: White Eagle. I count almost 20 voices being
used.
>
> That's still far from 256, but does anyone really use all those in just 1
> track, even though a long one perhaps?
> And if you refer to general usage of voices in one's music - TD did all
the
> time develop new voices, right? They did not stick with these few old
ones;
> so saying you were influenced by them when not using much voices is
> oxymoronic to me.
>
> --end amateur comment--
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
I believe after all the response, my line of action is to buy the Yamaha
A5000 and not the xv-5080. Guitar Center has it on sale for under $1000
which is half the Roland synth I started out looking at as well as the Korg
Trition unit. I just feel the sampler is the way to go to do what I want for
the moment. Those synths will be waiting for me if I still find the need.
The only way I have now to sample with a PC. There lies the rub with the
soundcards I have now. I will have to alter it to a much better one, the
delta was pointed out which most likely would be the solution. However, the
sampler software did not work well with the OS I would use and the fact,
that is one too many PC's to be gigging with. A hardware sampler would be
more suitable in this case.
Hey, any out there, correct me if you think I am heading down the wrong
primrose path.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:07 AM
Subject: [tadream] synths
> Hi, I just wanted to give a contribution to the [very nice] discussion...
I'm still very new into this, so I don't know much (or I know zero) about
this and that synth, this or that company, but I've got a roland xp-30 synth
(dad and grandma gave me) one year and some months ago, and I think it's a
fantastic synth for its price (some 1400-1500 US dollars or something, back
then).
>
> It comes already with some 1400 timbres, 3 expansion boards on-board, and
of course, you can create your own timbres (I've barely began doing this),
with a good user memory size, and there are 4 sliders, and one very nice
arpeggiator (I just HAD to have a synth with arpeggiator! :) anyway, better
go to the roland page and see its specs. I'm very happy with it. You can do
some very nice sounds right from the box.
>
> ah, one down side of the xp-30: menus, menus, menus. I took some time to
get used to the many wolf-3D-like 'rooms' it has. and I'm still discovering
stuff. Ok, I don't explore it as much as I should, but I have this terrible
lack of time. but I think the quality of the sounds and the many
possibilities of the xp-30 make up for this negative point.
> i want a sampler.
> and a drum machine. (or maybe not.)
> just my 2 cents.
>
>
> (who is going to buy a vintage synth expansion board for the xp-30 some
day in May... hmmm! :)
> np: madrigal meridian (I actually do like cyclone; maybe it's even in a
possible top ten list...) I find it nice how this music ends, then there's
another bit of music, then another bit of music before it finally finishes.
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
>
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep (Orange records)
No doubt in my mind, I've listened to them all (the last 4 tracks) and they
are from Hollywood Years 2, Antique Dreams, Tangents and Logos respectively,
in other words any serious collector already has these tracks, they're all
from official releases...
Paul
> Hi all,
>
> I still can't believe that this record isn't available at every
> street corner. It's a pressed CD, not a CDR.
>
> I've put a little info onto my homepage, inc MP3's of the four
> extra tracks. Please help in identifying their original source,
> any feedback is welcome.
>
> http://www.caby.de/Music
>
> cheers,
> klaus
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Burg Nideggen
What is this Burg Nideggen?
David
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Museumsinsel / tree-response
That warms the heart and makes it all worth while :-)
>
> Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with
> the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More
> to follow on this... ;-)
> So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling
> and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo!
>
> ...oh yes... and a happy Easter to you all!
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> www.tdimusic.com
>
> Have a nice day!
From:
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:32
pm
Subject: RE: Burg Nideggen
Hi Guys,
here some information about Burg Nideggen:
Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren.
and links:
http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html
http://www.burg-nideggen.de/
http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html
http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed again the first
part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen .
Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!!
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 8:51
pm
Subject: 17 TDI CDs for only 9.99 Euros / 8 $ - each!!!
Hi!
Yes - it's me! I'm alive (again).
I post this to the list, because I think it might be interesting
to some of you.
The mail-order-house JPC is selling most of the TDI productions of the
last 10 years for only 9.99 Euro / each CD. To my big surprise I found
a very well made special page in their April/2002 monthly magazine with
a special about TDI and their releases. 17 single and one double CD
including some descriptions for every CD. Very nice!
This very acceptable price is valid until the end of April.
You might get: Seven Letters from Tibet, Atlantic Bridges, Atlatic Walls,
Dream Encores, Great Wall Of China, Valentine Wheels, What A Blast,
Hollywood Years 1 and 2, Tyranny Of Beauty, Tournado, Oasis,
Canyon Dreams, Turn of the Tides, 220 Volt Live, Rockoon,
Mars Polaris (Y E S !!!), Transsiberia for 9.99 Euro/each. Thats approx.
8 US $.
And: Tang-Go (2CDs) for 12.99 Euro.
The JPC homepage is: www.jpc.de
They are selling to foreign countries, too.
Pick it up - it`s cheap and good chance to fill some gaps in your
collection.
Rainer
PS: I`m _not_ working for JPC!
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Romplers ?
In a message dated 3/28/2002 7:37:36 AM Central Standard Time,
eberlyde@d... writes:
> Question: What is a 'rompler' ??
>
> --Dan
>
A synth that uses samples to playback only... in other words you can't sample
with it, but there are preset samples in it.
Poly
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From:
'syensen'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:42
pm
Subject: Re: TDI The Keep
How much????
Waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
I'm going to sulk now ...
Steve, Keep-less since December 2000 ...
--- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> 405 bucks????? Damnit, I should have bought more when
> I got mine...
>
> a.
>
> >
> >
> > Michael A Jean wrote:
> > >
> > > I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week...
> >
> > Yes, but the auction is closed now. US $405.00 wow!
> >
> > Antonio
> >
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>
>
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>
> 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
> - Woody Allen
From:
'horrod6'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:04
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE
A unique occasion. TD play a one-off concert in the UK (first time they'd
played here for about 4 years), and it was my other half's birthday (I'm
not saying which, but it was a significant multiple of 10.). The tickets
were, of course, my birthday present to him. I didn't even have to twist his
arm to make him say that they were what he wanted!
It was great meeting up with people from the list beforehand - only the
second time I got to put any names to faces, the first being at the
Okefenokee, just a couple of weeks previously. And no, you still can't have
my orange-logo'd TD t-shirt!
LnH
Marion
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:32
pm
Subject: The Keep (Orange records)
> No doubt in my mind, I've listened to them all (the last 4 tracks) and they
> are from Hollywood Years 2, Antique Dreams, Tangents and Logos respectively,
> in other words any serious collector already has these tracks, they're all
> from official releases...
Thanks, Paul,
and, sure, you're right, that's why I called it a 'pirate', and not a
'bootleg'. I'm not trying to endorse this thing, I'm just wondering
why someone went through the trouble of getting a real CD pressed
(and a very nice cover printed) and then it's not on the merket
everywhere.
Anyway, if you see it anywhere for a decent price, it's a nice
alternative to CDR copies off the TDI 'Keep', if you're only after
the music.
cheers,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:40
pm
Subject: Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response
> Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with
> the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More
> to follow on this... ;-)
> So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling
> and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo!
Thanks to let us know, Martin,
and there's more good work in the pipeline ;-)
Just to re-iterate a personal dream: Nottingham 76 has always been one
of my favourite TD concerts, and the third track (recorded partially
with failing batteries, resurrected as good as possible for the tree
release) is the one I really hope for to ever get released from a
complete tape.
If TDI needs a cover to release this into the next tree, I'll
be happy to volounteer as the straw man ;-)
Happy Easter
klaus
From:
Vince LeGrand
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 11:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition
----- Original Message -----
From: 'michael_berling'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition
> Regarding the SHN files of Tangerine Tree that I have created: With
> the exception of Bernau, each track on the redbook CDs corresponds to
> a single SHN file. The SHN files are titled tadreamYYYY-MM-DDdDtTT
> with YYYY-MM-DD being the date of the concert, D the Redbook disc
> number and TT the Redbook track number. Thus, the Nottingham concert
> has the following SHN files:
>
> tadream1976-11-08d1t01.shn
> tadream1976-11-08d1t02.shn
> tadream1976-11-08d1t03.shn
>
Sorry if this has already been covered. I have received the SHN discs and I
need to burn Redbook CD's for my leaves. When burning the redbook CD's
should I use disk-at-once or have a gap inserted?
Vince
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 11:56
pm
Subject: re: Tour Descriptions
>>also other than it missing the soundtrack show they did 15 november
>>1986--the music in the movies mill valley film festival benefit.....
From: Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:09 pm
Subject: Tour Descriptions
>It's hard to write a detailed discography when no known bootleg exists.<
true enough, but the concert date is known (I was there--still have what's
left of the ticket) and I don't see it listed on zebby as a one-off or
otherwise.
I could have my friends and I write a collective review of our fading
memories--mebbe one of us still has the program, too....so many musicians
played that night....
--T
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:17
am
Subject: time for a tree status refresh!
I know that some of the following names HAVE received their disks, and you
might have even already told me that you have. But I need to update the
database, so please if your name is shown below and you have your tree
disks, please drop me a line at:
mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=got-my-disks
or
mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=I-already-told-you-I-got-my-dis
ks-you-doofus
;-)
thanks,
joe
Raimo Mäkinen
Adele Outland
Al Benson
Alex Tye
Alvaro Pachecol
Andrei Chtcherbatchenko
Ardo van Rangelrooij
Artur Stoncel
baG
Blue Fungus
Brian aka meta_mythos
Brian Stewart
Brian Walenz
CARLOS A. MARTINEZ
Chad Vance
Chris Towers
Christian Villazón
Colin Anderson - Australia
Colin Anderson- UK
Craig Chambers
Craig Claerbaut
Dale Kay
Dan Downey
Dan Eberly
Daniel Felice
Dave Dunham
David Foster
David R. Gilbert
Deb H-J
Dennis Nigbur
Dmitriy V. Nikitin
Doug Moon
Electric Mike
Emanue Salgado Vieira Neto
Eric Williamson
Frank Stephen
Fred Reynolds
Gabe Yedid
Gary Dobinson
Gary Jenkins
Graham McConkey
Greg Heil
Gustavo Jobim
James Owens
Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
Jeff Lester
Jeff Misner
Jeff Pearce
Jeff Stevenson
Jeffrey Au Yeung
Jim Lawton
Jim Moore
John Burek
John Christian
John McIntyre
jonathan ewald
Jonathan Holt
Karl W. Reinsch
Ken Beal
Kent Eskildsen
Kevin Jowers
Kevin Keller
Kevin Robert Ball
Kim Pedersen
Kostas
L.T. Darby
Larry J Abballe
Lee Thomas Millar
Marc Dodsworth
marc todd
Mark Filipak
Mark H.
Martyn Capel
Matthew Sawyer
Michael Bonde
Michael Fox
Michael Surber
Michael W. Daniels
Michal Moroz
Mikael Jussila
Morgan Feldon
Neal Frost
Neil Faiman
Neil Hudson
Neil Perryman
Olle Rundgren
Oscar Dean
Pal Szatmari
Paul Ellis
Paul Ridout
Pete Isaacson 'PENFOLD'
Phil White
Piotr Nawrocki
Piotr Sulkowski
Radu Velicescu
RAFAL PALUSZKIEWICZ
René Brenner
Richard F
Richard Maggio
Richard Stockwell
Robert Bobowski
Robert Grabowsky
Robert Hanna
Robert Kostecki
ROBERT PITAK
Rogelio Cavazos Jr.
Roger
Roger Smith
scott charles
Scott Plumer
Siggi Lindhost
Steve Collins
Steve Jenkins
Steven Feldman
tei waz
Thomas Bertilsson
Thomas Beuthe
Tim Rivers
Tom George
tom weibrecht
Tomas Rydqvist
Veine K Vikberg
Vic Rek
Vincent Goudreault
Wade Gordon
Wes
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:25
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition
no gaps except for first track.
Redbook standard requires the 2 second gap on the first track only, then no
more.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vince LeGrand [mailto:vlegrand@c...]
> need to burn Redbook CD's for my leaves. When burning the
> redbook CD's
> should I use disk-at-once or have a gap inserted?
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition
Vince LeGrand wrote:
>
> Sorry if this has already been covered. I have received the SHN discs and I
> need to burn Redbook CD's for my leaves. When burning the redbook CD's
> should I use disk-at-once or have a gap inserted?
Disk-at-once.
Antonio
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] time for a tree status refresh!
In a message dated 3/28/02 3:59:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jshoults@f... writes:
<< Paul Ellis >>
*Nothing yet (sniff.)
Poly
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer]
>'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark
> >That would make sense why pieces would show up in
> > the 1976 tour...
> >
> > - jim
And even earlier; on a specific point in Ricochet II, somewhere around 5
mins I guess, the main theme 'daa-doh-daa dah-doh-duh daa-dih-daa-da-daa
dee' has a variation which greatly sounds like The Call; something like
'daa-doo-daa doo daa-doo', while the Sorcerer version would be along my
translitteration something like 'deeee-daaaa-deeee doooo daaaa-doooo'.
Surprizingly similar... or not.
(Did I manage to confuse you?)
John Vertical
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:16
am
Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2
Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't indentify them all. Can
anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may
be hurting my effort.
Track 1 (as one big wave file)
00:00 'Hijack'
10:17 'Sobornost'
19:11 (unknown)
21:51 (unknown)
27:08 (unknown)
34:04 'Bondy Parade'
Track 2 (as one big wave file)
00:54 'Calymba Caly Part 2'
07:00 'Calymba Caly Part 3'
13:55 'Force Majeure Part 7'
15:55 'Force Majeure Part 8'
17:35 'Logos Part 6'
(Times are from '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 and proposed indexing is open to much
quibbling with this type of material.)
What are the three '(unknown)' tracks above?
I imagine that the person named 'zebby' is on this list. This page:
http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/81uk.html
is incorrect/incomplete regarding at least this London show as follows:
- 'Logos (1)' is 'Hijack' -- this is a quibble
- '8102' is 'Calymba Caly'
- 'Remote Viewing' is not found preceeding 'Force Majeure'
- '8008' is 'Logos Part 6'
Granted: Preceeding 'FM' is an atmospheric bit that sounds like the atmospheric
bit at the beginning of 'RV', but the main 'RV' theme is not there, and I don't
think you can call it 'RV' just because of atmospherics (IMO). To me, it's just
a bridge.
All help is appreciated as I'm currently reindexing '3TD' disc 2 and would like
to get it right. Quibbles will be happily entertained.
Ciao, and Thanks. -- Mark
--
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Last updated on: 16 March 2002
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:58
am
Subject: Three Tier Dream Disc 2
>From: Mark Filipak
>Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:16 pm
>Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2
>
>Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't indentify them all. Can
>anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may
>be hurting my effort.
Didn't we already cover this? :)
-Morgan
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Tier Dream Disc 2
Yes, we did. My original post (from Tuesday) just popped into my in box again
today (Friday, wee AM) dated Monday. Yahoogroups must be having a 'senor'
moment. -- Mark
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >From: Mark Filipak
> >Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:16 pm
> >Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2
> >
> >Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't indentify them all. Can
> >anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may
> >be hurting my effort.
>
> Didn't we already cover this? :)
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer]
In a message dated 3/28/02 9:33:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
<< (Did I manage to confuse you?)
John Vertical
>>
*Da doo doo doo da daa daa daa is all I want to say to you.
Poly
From:
'albenson'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:17
am
Subject: RE: RE: SHN discs
Joe (our fearless Tadream leader) wrote:
> [...] ...Speaking of gracenote, anyone want to offer up track
> names for any of the disks? I'll submit them to gracenote
> (nee cddb) so the disk info comes up automatically in a
> compliant player like Winamp.
>
> Joe
_____________________________________________
Joe --
There is no TD diehard *doubt* about it...
************************************
Venue and date:
Nottingham. UK (Albert Hall), on November 08, 1976.
Composition #1: 'Scale Deluxe!'
I've been using that *one* for years... ;-)
Composition #2: 'Sorcerer Supreme!'
Alternative title: 'Take this guitar out of that madman's hands--please!'
OK -- so I'm joking about the alternative title... ;-)
************************************
Venue and date:
Berlin, Germany (Philharmonic Hall), June 27, 1976.
(Note: my T-tree contribution with the help of a few
good TD diehard friends ~Thanks Spect! & John!~):
Composition: 'Birth of a Black Hole.'
The Tadream Tree Masters (~Heiko's~) very own
choice and used in 'Parallel Dreams (Volume 1).
I *second* that diehard title and choice as well.
You *keep* up the good work...
You're doing a great job! :-)
Best Always,
Your TD pal,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
PS: Don't forget to put the Tadream-Tree
'SHN masters' under your bed at night... ;-)
************************************
A ~Steven Wright~ joke:
'Got a blank tape... Played it on my stereo system. My
neighbor complained. So, I turned it up full blast...' :^)
NP: You all know the bottom line...
Just about_anything_so long as it's
~TANGERINE DREAM~
[Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!]
_________________________________________________
From:
'albenson'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:31
am
Subject: RE: RE: SHN discs
The super quick TD diehard follow-up...
The *Thanks* continues:
And, of course *THANKS* to Jerzy (3N), who
labored with true diehard love over remastering
the show(s) (I hear it's simply fabulous!), and to
absolutely everyone else connected with the
present Tadream tree!
Best Always,
-- Al
(Berkeley, CA / USA)
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
************************************
NP: 'Scale Deluxe!'
// Comp #1, Berlin, Germany (27.06.76).
From:
'albenson'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:46
am
Subject: RE: RE: SHN discs
So much for true precision on quick TD diehard follow-ups...
~ROFL~
Let's try:
NP: 'Scale Deluxe!'
// Comp #1, Nottingham, UK (08.11.76).
or conversely:
NP: 'Birth of a Black Hole!'
// Comp, Berlin, Germany (27.06.76).
OK -- now I can go back into TD deep lurk zone mode... ;-)
Best Always,
-- Al
(Berkeley, CA / USA)
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
***********************************
PS: I wrote:
> NP: 'Scale Deluxe!'
> // Comp #1, Berlin, Germany (27.06.76).
Sheesh! :-)
PPS: Happy Easter everyone!
__________________________________
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:17
am
Subject: nifty german rock info site
http://tmachine.chat.ru/germ/progrtop.htm
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:45
am
Subject: Yahoogroups spam for everyone
Hello.
Yahoogroups has signed everyone up for spam. If you don't want any, go to your
account, log in, and then in the center of your Yahoo ID Card, click 'Edit your
marketing preferences'. On the next screen, under 'Special Offers & Marketing
Communications', click all the 'Enroll Me' radio buttons to 'No'.
At the bottom of the page you will find 'Other Delivery', for which you can
also choose 'No'.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:02
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Themes
>Same themes not appearing in the 80 and 90s?
>It's exactly the same themes reappearing in the 80s/90s till
>now. :-) (I'm not counting the bridges)
>Can you imagine that they only improvised/made different music
>live from 1970 till 1978...
I meant, same themes in different pieces.
--From another message--
>About same themes - there is another repeating whispering sound
>which is the same on Ricochet(pt 1) and Mojave Plan.
>Does it also appear in other pieces or have a special title?
>
>AoV
Poland, White Eagle, Song of the Whale part 1...
Though the latter two don't sound exactly the same, they've a more female
voice.
>P.S. My MP3 player is broken now...16 hours without TD every day...
>a torture...
I had to pretty much get used to the same after my headphones broke.
John Vertical
_________________________________________________________________
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoogroups spam for everyone
In a message dated 3/29/2002 4:46:50 AM Central Standard Time,
filipak@e... writes:
> At the bottom of the page you will find 'Other Delivery', for which you can
> also choose 'No'.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
*Major thank you's Mark, I loathe spam.
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer]
no, but now I've got the Police's 'Deedododo-deedadada' going through my
head.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:47 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer]
>
>
> >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark
>
> > >That would make sense why pieces would show up in
> > > the 1976 tour...
> > >
> > > - jim
>
>
> And even earlier; on a specific point in Ricochet II,
> somewhere around 5
> mins I guess, the main theme 'daa-doh-daa dah-doh-duh
> daa-dih-daa-da-daa
> dee' has a variation which greatly sounds like The Call;
> something like
> 'daa-doo-daa doo daa-doo', while the Sorcerer version would
> be along my
> translitteration something like 'deeee-daaaa-deeee doooo
> daaaa-doooo'.
> Surprizingly similar... or not.
>
> (Did I manage to confuse you?)
>
> John Vertical
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Yahoogroups spam for everyone
I loathe yahoogroups subjecting you all to it.
Remember that short conversation about alternate mailing list venues? I'm
heating that one up again. I think we will be able to do actually use
'@tadream.net'. I'm checking right now.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
>
> *Major thank you's Mark, I loathe spam.
> Poly
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Three Tier Dream Disc 2
a message I sent on the 26th just came through this morning.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
My original post (from Tuesday) just popped into
> my in box again today (Friday, wee AM) dated Monday.
> Yahoogroups must be having a 'senor' moment. -- Mark
>
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:36
pm
Subject: OT: bonnaroo
Wow. Look at the list of bands playing.
http://www.bonnaroo.com/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:20
pm
Subject: Strange Poland release
Hi,
I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The
Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a
quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'.
Here the details:
The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland',
but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed
on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on
CD2.
The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where
you fold out the CD-holder.
The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with
pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22
instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks
Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times).
The 'real' track listing is as follows:
CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
body)
CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55)
CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
The running time for CD 1 is 46:40
The running time for CD 2 is 35:05
Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is
included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time
as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings).
Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like
on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been
enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the
Relativity 2 CD release).
Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release
of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that
this is a official or a pirate version?
----
Another one: I'm still missing the running times of TDJ Rome's 12'
release 'Vermont Curry/Babe Soda'. Info is highly appreciated... :-)
-----
Thanx in advance!
Michael
http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:38
pm
Subject: Re: SHN discs - Joe's personal Inferno
Hi Joe and others,
> I think I remember someone saying something about it, and poeple
might want
> to lynch me, but I made my own track times for bernau. there was
no cue
> sheet, the file was one big wav, and the track times given point to
the
> middle of songs! I broke up the track times more appropriately for
my
> redbook copies
> BERNAU TRACK TIMES
>
> Honestly, I was being completely stupid and forgot that the track
times were
> listed on the artwork. The SHN extracts to one big wav file
instead of
> individual tracks so I thought it was up to me to either burn as
one huge
> track, or more sensibly, create my own track times. So I broke
the disk up
> into tracks, based upon my listening to the music, and where I
thought the
> music made major breaks into new themes or interludes. It wasn't
until
> after I had already burnt off most of my Redbooks that I remembered
about
> the track times being on the artwork. But when I compared, the
original
> artwork track times didn't make sense to me. It seemed that they
were cut
> in the middle of songs, but of course it's hard to define sometimes
when the
> music is all stitched together. Comparing my track times to the
original
> ones, they do match at certain points, like the end of track 2 for
example,
> but others break at different points.
sorry, if you had some trouble with the Bernau SHN version. Fact is,
when I created the SHN for this disc I was just worried about gaps
inbetween that concert, as I used Exact Audio Copy and mkw Audio
Compression for the very first time and had neither time nor empty
discs to spare for too much try and error, as I wanted to set off the
SHN tree at one weekend, after I had got this job in last minute (I
had originally planned to be a leaf due to massive lack of time). By
now I know that this was an unneccessary fear...
Another aspect was that I (like Joe) was quite unsure whether the
running times of the tracks made much sense anyway, as the official
Inferno was not out at that time, thus no one could really decide of
how many tracks it would consist and what time the tracks would have.
Thus I thought it would be the best to keep Inferno in one single
file, that could be split accordingly to 'official' information
later. I just was not aware at that time that recipents of the SHN
discs had to burn Red Audio for their sub-branches and leaves so they
got in trouble...
There should have been no problems with the other discs, as they were
split in SHN files trackwise.
Regards
Michael
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:33
pm
Subject: OT: name the tadream mailing list
ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we
name the address?
I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts.
(BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be
able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net
domain )
Joe
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: SHN discs - Joe's personal Inferno
really not a problem, Michael; you did excellent work! thank you.
(only one small silence at the end of track 2 and beginning of track 3 on
Vol6 D2 SHN edition)
joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael_berling
> sorry, if you had some trouble with the Bernau SHN version. Fact is,
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
>ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we
>name the address?
list@t... looks fine to me...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or
something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better
name.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net',
> what should we
> >name the address?
>
> list@t... looks fine to me...
>
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or
> something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better
> name.
forum@t...
Antonio
From:
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
How about:
richochet@t...
canyonvoices@t...
dominion@t...
or, my pick:
firetongues@t...
Sort of like the famous Pink Floyd list called 'Echoes'...good idea Joe.
Just my two cents.
Craig
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:52:59 -0500 Joe Shoults wrote:
I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or
something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better
name.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net',
> what should we
> >name the address?
>
> list@t... looks fine to me...
>
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From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle
Mark Filipak [25/03/2002 06:52] dijo/said:
>[...]
>Hey Marko! Are sea gulls honorary eagles in Finland? (I can see the Finish
coat of arms now... a sea gull holding a dead fish in one 'talon' and a Nokia
phone in the other.)
ROTFL!
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#include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Strange Poland release
I would be interested in getting a copy of this one.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'michael_berling'
To:
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:20 AM
Subject: [tadream] Strange Poland release
> Hi,
>
> I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The
> Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a
> quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'.
>
> Here the details:
>
> The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland',
> but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed
> on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on
> CD2.
>
> The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where
> you fold out the CD-holder.
>
> The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with
> pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22
> instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks
> Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times).
>
> The 'real' track listing is as follows:
>
> CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
> CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
> body)
>
> CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55)
> CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
>
> The running time for CD 1 is 46:40
> The running time for CD 2 is 35:05
>
> Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is
> included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time
> as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings).
> Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like
> on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been
> enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the
> Relativity 2 CD release).
>
> Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release
> of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that
> this is a official or a pirate version?
>
> ----
>
> Another one: I'm still missing the running times of TDJ Rome's 12'
> release 'Vermont Curry/Babe Soda'. Info is highly appreciated... :-)
>
> -----
>
> Thanx in advance!
> Michael
>
> http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:36
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] cddb submissions
> Nottingham. UK (Albert Hall), on November 08, 1976.
> Composition #1: 'Scale Deluxe!'
> Composition #2: 'Sorcerer Supreme!'
OK, but there are three tracks on that disk. how about a title for #3?
> Berlin, Germany (Philharmonic Hall), June 27, 1976.
> (Note: my T-tree contribution with the help of a few
> good TD diehard friends ~Thanks Spect! & John!~):
>
> Composition: 'Birth of a Black Hole.'
done! It takes a while before the cddb listings prpagate.
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
now about an other one:
td-community@t...
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: craig.chambers@m...
> [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Marz 2002 18:34
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
>
>
> How about:
>
> richochet@t...
> canyonvoices@t...
> dominion@t...
>
> or, my pick:
>
> firetongues@t...
>
> Sort of like the famous Pink Floyd list called
> 'Echoes'...good idea Joe.
>
> Just my two cents.
> Craig
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:52:59 -0500 Joe Shoults
> wrote:
>
> I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or
> something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up
> with a better
> name.
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> > >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net',
> > what should we
> > >name the address?
> >
> > list@t... looks fine to me...
> >
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
kickassband@
bestbandintheworld@
simplythebest@
um or a random generator name@.....
--T
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From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 7:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
Joe Shoults [29/03/2002 11:30] dijo/said:
>ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we
>name the address?
>
>I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts.
>
>(BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be
>able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net
>domain )
I vote for tadream@t... .
--
MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n...
#include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel
<*>
'Maybe you should stick to deathmatch Minesweeper.'
- A.J., _User Friendly_, 20/03/2000
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From:
Winston Edmond
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: Re: Yahoogroups spam for everyone
Thanks for the alert, Mark.
I signed up using 'subscribe-tadream-digest' back in the onelist era,
before Yahoo took it over. Do I even *have* a Yahoo ID or account? It
says if I've 'forgotten' my password and ID, just fill in my birth date,
Zip Code, and country, all of which I'm quite sure I've never given
them. :-) The 'find ID using my email address' won't work without
giving them that info, either.
I don't suppose there's any chance that means I'm not on their spam
list? :-/
-WBE
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
>
> I vote for tadream@t... .
>
> --
> MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n...
Yes! It's a good idea! Or maybe the shorter version td@t... could be?
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
network23@t...
John Vertical
_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:42
pm
Subject: Poland 2CD
From: 'michael_berling'
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:20 am
Subject: Strange Poland release
Hi,
I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The
Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a
quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'.
Here the details:
The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland',
but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed
on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on
CD2.
The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where
you fold out the CD-holder.
The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with
pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22
instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks
Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times).
The 'real' track listing is as follows:
CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
body)
CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55)
CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
The running time for CD 1 is 46:40
The running time for CD 2 is 35:05
Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is
included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time
as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings).
Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like
on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been
enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the
Relativity 2 CD release).
Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release
of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that
this is a official or a pirate version?
---------------------
I have to agree with you that it sounds like a pirate version.
As you know, there are two official versions of the 2 CD Poland double-box.
The same printing, artwork, etc. on the outside and inserts, but in one
version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is blue and has the
following track times:
CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
CD 1, track 2: Tangent (15:54)
CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
body)
CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04)
CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
The second version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is brown and has
the following times:
CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:54, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04)
CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
And, to go a bit off-topic the version I use in my car:
Track 1: Poland pt1 00:46-11:38 (10:52) *voice intro cut off
Track 2: Poland pt2 11:39-15:51 (4:12)
Track 3: Poland pt3 15:52-22:16 (5:24) *directly cross-fades into Tangent,
no fade in-out
Track 4: Tangent pt1 00:10-03:54 (3:44)
Track 5: Tangent pt2 03:55-10:00 (6:05)
Track 6: Tangent pt3 10:01-15:34 (5:33) *applause faded short
Track 7: Barbakane pt1 00:05-09:16 (9:11) *5 secs of ambience removed
Track 8: Warsaw in the Sun 09:17-14:14 (4:57)
Track 9: Barbakane pt3 14:15-17:59 (3:44) *4 secs of ambience removed
Track 10: Horizon pt1 00:00-04:48 (4:48)
Track 11: Horizon pt2 04:49-14:06 (9:17)
Track 12: Horizon pt3 14:07-20:58 (6:51) *10 secs of applause removed
Track 13: Rarebird (from end of Tangent) 16:00-19:52 (3:52)
Giving me a grand total of 78:30, which fits perfectly on an 80 minute CD!!
-Morgan
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
How about Spamosfear@t...
;-)
Poly
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: Forum?
>From: Antonio Nunes
>Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:44 am
>Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
>
>Joe Shoults wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion @ tadream.net' or
> > something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better
> > name.
>
>forum @ tadream.net
>
>Antonio
Actually, I know a forum was tried before, but I still think the idea of
having a Tangerine Dream forum is plausible.
The reason why I prefer a forum over a mailing list is that you can have 20
conversations going on, and each conversation is self-contained in its own
page. We can talk til the cows come home about The Keep or SHNs and you
don't have to read about it if you don't want. You can just read the topics
that you want to read about. I'm sure there are quite a few people who are
skipping past all the electronic music equipment/keyboard talk lately,
hoping for word about the Inferno release. And I'm sure there are people
who are deleting the Inferno messages, hoping to see more about which
keyboards and gear people are using!!
A forum would let people go somewhat off-topic without distracting from
some other topic. I think people are afraid to post something because they
feel it will be too off-topic or unimportant. I know when I think of how
many e-mails are generated by the list, I don't always reply to the topics
I might otherwise reply to because I know every message sent has to be
downloaded and read, even if people aren't interested in that topic.
There have been a couple attempts to set up forums concurrent to this list.
Both times, the mentality was 'well, if anyone decides to use it, then
that's great, otherwise I'll take it down.' Kind of defeatist and doomed
for failure if you ask me.
Right now, on this list, we have a LOT of incidences where 'I can't get
ahold of so-and-so, can he/she please e-mail me off list?' A forum would
get rid of this because we could leave private messages to each other or
e-mail people directly and they can update their whole profile themselves.
Each person could keep a list of their favorite albums, a picture of
themselves, etc. Each person could have their trade lists, etc.
Whenever I talk to people about why they left the list, the answer is
always that there is a lot of talk about topics they don't want to read
about, or they feel they can't discuss what they want to because of certain
policies/rules.
A forum would fix this because we could have a Coffee House (As I do on my
forum (700 members, 3,000 posts in the last year)) for general, polite
discussion, and then a 'Tangerine Dream Addicts' section which would be a
bit more free-form and less restrictive.
For organizing special events, private forums could be set up with just
those people involved able to access that particular forum.
Right now, I read the tadream list on the website instead of thru e-mail. I
guess it's because I'm so used to following a discussion board using a web
browser.
If a forum was set up by Joe, with the same kind of community as the
current list, but with individual topics you can follow and reply to, how
many people would be interested in moving there?
I know I'd go in a heartbeat, but this is a very chicken-and-egg situation.
Unless a lot of discussion is going on there and a lot of us are registered
there, nobody will go there. So what would have to happen for a forum to
really happen, is either a move with a grace period, or some kind of
constant encouragement for people who participate over on the forum,
constant pointers and links to ongoing discussions on the forum, etc.
A simple interface could be set up for people to start registering for the
new forum now, and if there is enough demand, then the forum would be set
up and those people would be ready to participate right away.
I'm not trying to steal anyone's thunder, and if it turns out that everyone
is happy with having the list go into their mailbox, then what can I say?
I'll go with what the group wants. I'm looking at what many of the
Tangerine Dream community here have said and thinking of what seems like
the best solution.
If you'd like to discuss this, or anything else Tangerine Dream, I have
spoken to the operator (AirWave) of the #tadream chatroom and we're going
to have a web chat this weekend (Friday and Saturday) and next weekend.
The webchat is at http://www.feldoncentral.com/tadream/
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:33
pm
Subject: Forum?
Regarding the forum, if there are quite a few people in Europe with
e-mail-only Internet accounts, there is a solution.
The forum can have an E-mail Gateway, which would send each new posted
message to the mailing list and then out to all the members who choose to
subscribe this way.
-Morgan
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From:
John McIntyre
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
Considering how often we stray from the topic, perhaps tangents@t...? (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
At 02.03.29-10:33, Joe Shoults wrote:
>I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts.
my €0.02
td@t...
Pete Isaacson
aka
°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
mailto:penfold@a...
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
You mention you have this in your car. What is it about this album that it
is found in cars? I too pop it in when I know I don't want to listen to the
radio. In fact for several weeks straight I listen to it on my way to work
(a 50 mile drive).
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: [tadream] Poland 2CD
> From: 'michael_berling'
> Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:20 am
> Subject: Strange Poland release
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The
> Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a
> quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'.
>
> Here the details:
>
> The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland',
> but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed
> on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on
> CD2.
>
> The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where
> you fold out the CD-holder.
>
> The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with
> pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22
> instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks
> Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times).
>
> The 'real' track listing is as follows:
>
> CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
> CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
> body)
>
> CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55)
> CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
>
> The running time for CD 1 is 46:40
> The running time for CD 2 is 35:05
>
> Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is
> included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time
> as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings).
> Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like
> on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been
> enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the
> Relativity 2 CD release).
>
> Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release
> of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that
> this is a official or a pirate version?
> ---------------------
>
>
> I have to agree with you that it sounds like a pirate version.
>
> As you know, there are two official versions of the 2 CD Poland
double-box.
> The same printing, artwork, etc. on the outside and inserts, but in one
> version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is blue and has the
> following track times:
>
> CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> CD 1, track 2: Tangent (15:54)
> CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
> body)
>
> CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04)
> CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
>
> The second version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is brown and has
> the following times:
>
> CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:54, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
>
> CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04)
> CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
>
>
>
> And, to go a bit off-topic the version I use in my car:
>
> Track 1: Poland pt1 00:46-11:38 (10:52) *voice intro cut off
> Track 2: Poland pt2 11:39-15:51 (4:12)
> Track 3: Poland pt3 15:52-22:16 (5:24) *directly cross-fades into Tangent,
> no fade in-out
> Track 4: Tangent pt1 00:10-03:54 (3:44)
> Track 5: Tangent pt2 03:55-10:00 (6:05)
> Track 6: Tangent pt3 10:01-15:34 (5:33) *applause faded short
> Track 7: Barbakane pt1 00:05-09:16 (9:11) *5 secs of ambience removed
> Track 8: Warsaw in the Sun 09:17-14:14 (4:57)
> Track 9: Barbakane pt3 14:15-17:59 (3:44) *4 secs of ambience removed
> Track 10: Horizon pt1 00:00-04:48 (4:48)
> Track 11: Horizon pt2 04:49-14:06 (9:17)
> Track 12: Horizon pt3 14:07-20:58 (6:51) *10 secs of applause removed
> Track 13: Rarebird (from end of Tangent) 16:00-19:52 (3:52)
>
> Giving me a grand total of 78:30, which fits perfectly on an 80 minute
CD!!
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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>
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:03
am
Subject: D:[Studio] Tangram
hello everyone,
I was going to write something longer, but decided to make it short:
isn't Tangram fantastic?
what about that ping-ping-ping...pong! ?? I go crazy with that!
such a masterpiece. I wonder if I'll ever make something as great as that.
;)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum?
i hate webmail hatewebmailhatewebmail.
I much prefer the mail messages.
i usually like reading everything. maybe the only thing i'm not so interested
in is discographic minutiae. but that doesn't bother me.
i always enjoy the seasonal synth discussions.
i hate webmail hatewebmailhatewebmail.
ah, i also hate web-based chat. so damn slow.
if at least I had a fast connection... i wouldn't be so bothered.
i had to rewrite 'wouldn't' 5 times. I need vacations.
sorry for this rather insignificant post. well, consider it just an opinion :)
>(...) Right now, I read the tadream list on the website instead of thru
e-mail. I guess it's because I'm so used to following a discussion board using
a web browser.(...)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum?
well, then that's interesting. gives people more possibilities and freedom to
choose which is the better way and change from one form to another as needed.
>The forum can have an E-mail Gateway, which would send each new posted
>message to the mailing list and then out to all the members who choose to
>subscribe this way.
>-Morgan
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Winston Edmond
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:51
am
Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list
Joe asked:
> ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we
> name the address?
and later, Morgan Feldon asked about creating
a TD forum.
My reply is in a similar vein -- how many lists would people want?
If just one, a really generic name like list@ or group@ would do. A
more descriptive name like chat@, misc@, discuss@, talk@, fans@, and the
like leave open the possibility of other lists, such as
* announce@ solely for announcements of releases, tours, etc.,
* extd@ for discussions about former group members activities, albums, etc.
All the standard arguments one sees when discussing splitting up a
USENET group into subgroups (such as whether groups are orthogonal or
inspire crossposting) will apply to creating extra mailing lists here,
too. In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using
mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g.,
alt.fan.tadream, which would allow people to use threading news readers,
killfiles, scoring, and the like to sort what interests them from what
doesn't.
Just a thought,
-WBE
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list
I like the idea of a forum for just the reasons that Morgan mentioned. I
haven't got a clue about any of the synth discussions going on, nor do I care
one bit about it. That being said, I think that it's great that others do,
and that we have interests in common. I think that a forum, with seperated
topics, would work great. We could have a seperate topic for TD news, TD
bootleg info, Synth info, Soundtracks, Tree info, and whatever the list
members want. It would be a lot better IMO to just pull up a page and look at
only the topic(s) that interest you instead of wading thru 40 e-mails a day.
Mark me down for one vote for a forum.
;-)
Alex
(ATYE)
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
I'd like to suggest the following:
fans@t...
td-fans@t...
fan-list@t...
dreamers@t...
td-jukies@t...
td-addicts@t...
get-yer-fix@t...
dream-heads@t...
td-obsession@t...
Hey! at least I'm not pitching for something like TraumEpoche@t...
(...as long as it isn't MarmaladeSkys@t...) 8^)
Ciao -- Mark
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we
> name the address?
>
> I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts.
>
> (BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be
> able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net
> domain )
>
> Joe
>
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Last updated on: 16 March 2002
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list
Winston Edmond wrote:
>
> ... In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using
> mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g.,
> alt.fan.tadream ...
That would work only if one's ISP subscribed to a news service that carried
alt.fan.tadream.
At least, I think so -- Mark
--
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Last updated on: 16 March 2002
From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
Hi Everyone!
I actually did a similar (though less-elegant than Morgan's) copy for Poland
on the go. I made a digital copy onto minidisc, cut out the extra silence
between the tracks, and made it cut right out of the middle of the audience
noise at the end of Polish Dance into the audience noise of the start of
Rare Bird. I was actually able to fit every single bit of music onto an
80-minute minidisc, but it did cut out the last bit of audience noise at the
very end of Horizon before it had a chance to fade out. And the splice
between Polish Dance and Rare bird was actually quite seamless. I guess I
timed it just right, as it sounds like they just jump right into Rare Bird
without letting the audience calm down! :-) The only extra track break I
added was for Rare Bird.
Poland is my favorite TD live album, and it's definitely excellent for
driving music!
Dave B. (back to lurking, and waiting for Oke '02)
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07
am
Subject: OT Alien Seagull
Sorry Marcel, I think I missed that message!
Anyway... of course it will be different on the Nord and I do realize that
the Nord is not a Moog. Actually, I was thinking it might be possible to get
it fairly close in Reaktor. I think Reaktor does a pretty good job of
emulating the Moog filter.
At any rate, the point for me wouldn't be to imitate the AS sound, but rather
to emulate it. In other words, go for something similar, but make it my own.
In a message dated 3/27/2002 4:41:12 PM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:47:18 +0100
> From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Subject: RE: Chris Franke sounds
>
> > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
> >
> > I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound.
> >
> > Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the
> > sound of it) it very well probably was the Moog modular or
> > something along that vein. That means it should be fairly easy to
> > approximate in something like the Nord modular or some software synths.
>
> Hmm didn't I say that a week ago?
> It comes from the Moog Modular.
> If it is done on the Nord Modular it will be different
> because the Nord modular is not a Moog modular. :-)
>
> Marcel
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07
am
Subject: OT buried skip function - might make me skip the xk
Dum dums, who designs these things? Well, that's one big strike for the xk.
I'm being tentative about the whole thing anyway, based on past experience
with Proteus keyboards (not modules).
Forget the xk and the z1 (hey, isn't it actually called a z76?)
I kind of like the idea of a Hobbit setup for live work...
Notebook running Live using Oxy 8 to trigger sequence loops.
Waldorf xtk
K-Station
The whole setup would fit in a backpack.
I have a vision of sitting around the campfire playing electronic music.
In a message dated 3/28/2002 1:08:55 PM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:24:19 -0600
> From: 'Eric Williamson'
> Subject: Re: OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator
>
> liondream spoke:
> >Skip function is very important.
> >FWIW, reading the xk manual, looks like the new arpeggiator does have a
> skip
> function.
>
> unfortunately it appears to be buried under 18 menus. not very useful.
>
> also, they nested it into the 'pitch offset' variable ... which makes it
> relatively _unplayable_ in a chris-franke-style context.
>
> very nice of you to point that out, though. thanks.
>
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07
am
Subject: OT xp30
Gustavo,
The xp30 is a nice synth. A LOT of sounds available for you to play with! The
vintage synth card is very cool, has lots of Jupiter type sounds in it. I
highly recommend it.
Wes
<<>>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07
am
Subject: Rompler definition
Hey Dan,
Oops. Just a generic term... A ROMpler is like a playback only sampler, e.g.
the sound source is based on samples. Like a Korg M1, Roland JVs, Proteus,
etc.
Wes
In a message dated 3/28/2002 1:08:55 PM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> >The advantage of something like sampletank over a hardware rompler (at this
> point in time) is the huge waveshapes that are
> >possible on the computer.
> >
> >IMO, the software side is not to be overlooked as a very viable source of
> sound generators.
>
>
> Question: What is a 'rompler' ??
>
> --Dan
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From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:37
am
Subject: Re: Poland 2CD
--- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote:
> You mention you have this in your car. What is it about this album
that it
> is found in cars? I too pop it in when I know I don't want to
listen to the
> radio. In fact for several weeks straight I listen to it on my way
to work
> (a 50 mile drive).
>
> Hi there is something about this album that makes great driving
music I had it on constantly in the car for about six months drove
the Wife mad lol
Gary
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:42 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Poland 2CD
>
>
> > From: 'michael_berling'
> > Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:20 am
> > Subject: Strange Poland release
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The
> > Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector
about a
> > quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'.
> >
> > Here the details:
> >
> > The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from
Poland',
> > but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as
printed
> > on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon
on
> > CD2.
> >
> > The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones
where
> > you fold out the CD-holder.
> >
> > The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with
> > pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22
> > instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four
tracks
> > Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times).
> >
> > The 'real' track listing is as follows:
> >
> > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
> > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
> > body)
> >
> > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55)
> > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
> >
> > The running time for CD 1 is 46:40
> > The running time for CD 2 is 35:05
> >
> > Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is
> > included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one
time
> > as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings).
> > Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track
like
> > on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have
been
> > enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on
the
> > Relativity 2 CD release).
> >
> > Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official
release
> > of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell
that
> > this is a official or a pirate version?
> > ---------------------
> >
> >
> > I have to agree with you that it sounds like a pirate version.
> >
> > As you know, there are two official versions of the 2 CD Poland
> double-box.
> > The same printing, artwork, etc. on the outside and inserts, but
in one
> > version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is blue and has the
> > following track times:
> >
> > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (15:54)
> > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc
> > body)
> >
> > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04)
> > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
> >
> > The second version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is
brown and has
> > the following times:
> >
> > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36)
> > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:54, including the 'Rare Bird' part)
> >
> > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04)
> > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10).
> >
> >
> >
> > And, to go a bit off-topic the version I use in my car:
> >
> > Track 1: Poland pt1 00:46-11:38 (10:52) *voice intro cut off
> > Track 2: Poland pt2 11:39-15:51 (4:12)
> > Track 3: Poland pt3 15:52-22:16 (5:24) *directly cross-fades into
Tangent,
> > no fade in-out
> > Track 4: Tangent pt1 00:10-03:54 (3:44)
> > Track 5: Tangent pt2 03:55-10:00 (6:05)
> > Track 6: Tangent pt3 10:01-15:34 (5:33) *applause faded short
> > Track 7: Barbakane pt1 00:05-09:16 (9:11) *5 secs of ambience
removed
> > Track 8: Warsaw in the Sun 09:17-14:14 (4:57)
> > Track 9: Barbakane pt3 14:15-17:59 (3:44) *4 secs of ambience
removed
> > Track 10: Horizon pt1 00:00-04:48 (4:48)
> > Track 11: Horizon pt2 04:49-14:06 (9:17)
> > Track 12: Horizon pt3 14:07-20:58 (6:51) *10 secs of applause
removed
> > Track 13: Rarebird (from end of Tangent) 16:00-19:52 (3:52)
> >
> > Giving me a grand total of 78:30, which fits perfectly on an 80
minute
> CD!!
> >
> > -Morgan
> >
> >
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> >
> >
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:05
am
Subject: The Estensial Poland CD (Required for Driving)
From the post on the 2 cd Poland, it appears we have found a mystery in life
concerning this Concert CD. The liner said it almost never was. The problems
making the disk are explained in such detail that is makes me shiver to
think about it.
So what makes it such a album that you have to play it in your car while
driving?
I have to confess, I find myself at speeds above the limit on certain
passages. Have we found a sequence of sounds that suits driving, due to the
creative genius of TD? Is this subliminal, backward masking with the words
drive.. drive.. drive..or ?
I do know which album tends to make me go slow and not want to drive. It too
is a TD album and I have not found the right mood to enjoy it. I shall not
mention it's name due to the fear it might open up a thread again.
There are certain tracks on Dream Tails II that I found are great for
driving too. I am serious considering assembling a collection like this to
keep in the Car.
Dale
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 12:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list
Winston Edmond wrote:
>
> My reply is in a similar vein -- how many lists would people want?
> If just one, a really generic name like list@ or group@ would do. A
> more descriptive name like chat@, misc@, discuss@, talk@, fans@, and the
> like leave open the possibility of other lists, such as
> * announce@ solely for announcements of releases, tours, etc.,
> * extd@ for discussions about former group members activities, albums, etc.
Personally I think that there are enough TD lists already. There is
'ArtOfVisiion' for modern TD fans, but how many messages were posted in
the last month? 8. There is 'GoblinsClub' for collectors, but how many
messages in the last month? 3! There is 'tangerinedream' for discussion
and trade of bootlegs, but how many messages about this topic? And I've
found yet another 'Tangerine_Dream' list in yahoogroups, with 3
members!!! So, please no more TD lists!!!
When I mentioned the word 'forum' I was just suggesting a name for the
email address, not a different format for the list. Personally I hate
web-based lists or forums or chats of whatever. I think this list is
great as it is.
> In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using
> mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g.,
> alt.fan.tadream, which would allow people to use threading news readers,
> killfiles, scoring, and the like to sort what interests them from what
> doesn't.
There is already alt.music.tangerine-dream which is not moderated but
usually stays on-topic. But again I think there are not enough messages
to justify yet another TD group.
Antonio
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Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
I'll second that....
>
> I vote for tadream@t... .
>
> --
> MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n...
>
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Tangram
>isn't Tangram fantastic?
>what about that ping-ping-ping...pong! ?? I go crazy with that!
>such a masterpiece. I wonder if I'll ever make something as great as that.
Um. Yes, it is fantastic! Almost classical. Too bad it hasn't ever been
played live..? (I mean, really live; not including the themes and sequences
borrowed to Pergamon / Heritage Survival / Thief Yang & Tangram Seal /
possibly others too)
I however find some of the passages too short! It would've been easy to
extend Set 1 with some 10 minutes more. Mostly in the first half - the
flute-sequence section is cut too early, the following interlude could well
be extended into an n-minute section, and finally, the piano part deserves
to be at least twice as long...
John Vertical
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list
I will second what Antonio says here.
*goes back to skulking in the shadows*
But again I think there are
> not enough messages
> to justify yet another TD group.
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] name the tadream mailing list
I don't think anyone has suggested running THIS list along with a new
list.....
to quote the original post from Joe....
'ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we
name the address?
I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts.
(BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be
able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net
domain )
Joe'
Key word being 'MOVE'....
This was in response to Yahoo!'s unauthorized spamming of the mailing list.
All Joe was asking for was just a name, I added later that I liked Morgan's
idea of a forum, but that has nothing to do with the original question
either.
Just hoping to clear it up a little....
Alex
:-)
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From:
Winston Edmond
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:40
pm
Subject: multiple mailing lists or USENET newsgroup?
[Note: the idea of a forum or >1 list assumes that not everyone want to
read every message and that the number of messages is large enough that
weeding out the ones you don't want takes enough time to matter.
Having forums or >1 list creates specific, fixed categories and
requires the sender to pick the right one(s). Alternatively, USENET
relies more on giving *readers* the ability to score/sort/filter on
whatever criteria they choose.]
I previously wrote:
>> ... In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using
>> mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g.,
>> alt.fan.tadream ...
Mark Filipak replied:
> That would work only if one's ISP subscribed to a news service that
> carried alt.fan.tadream.
>
> At least, I think so -- Mark
Are you concerned about ISPs having USENET news at all, or about the
difficulty of creating a new group and getting ISPs to carry it? The
latter takes a bit of work (maybe a little more if we try for
'rec.music.artists.tadream' than for an alt.* group), but isn't that big
a problem, as evidenced by the existence of over 30,000 news groups.
:-)
The former question, whether current subscribers would have access to
alt.music.tadream, rec.music.artists.tadream (or whatever name we pick),
can only be answered by people here speaking up if they know they
wouldn't, or if they just plain don't like the idea and want to stick
with a mailing list. (The idea of a moderated newsgroup can also be
shot down if no one is willing to be the moderator.)
Two other advantages of a USENET group over a mailing list are that
(1) other fans might discover a newsgroup, whereas mailing lists are
harder to find out about, and (2) Google would archive the articles and
has a powerful search engine for finding something that's in its
archives.
Some disadvantages are (1) that Joe (if he's willing to be the
moderator) would need different moderation software, (2) USENET article
propagation takes longer than direct email delivery, and (3) that the
group would never be completely spam-free because some USENET spammers
forge moderation approval. (Such articles are generally auto-cancelled,
but many sites don't obey cancels.) USENET spam doesn't take up any
space in one's mailbox, though, and should be easy to ignore with any
decent news reader.
-WBE
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum?
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>From: Antonio Nunes
>Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:44 am
>Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list
>
>Joe Shoults wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion @ tadream.net' or
> > something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better
> > name.
>
>forum @ tadream.net
>
>Antonio
Actually, I know a forum was tried before, but I still think the idea of
having a Tangerine Dream forum is plausible.
My 2 cents would be that I want the best of both worlds. Forums work great for
finding info and following threads etc. but I also find that the passive nature
also results in a lot of non-participations. The nice thing about the email is
that it comes to you and you're more likely to get involved.
I'm more of a lurker with the group than a participant since I usually don't
have a lot to add to the discussions. I'm an avid TD listener going back to the
70s but I have to admit I don't have the kind of encyclopedic knowledge others
possess but that's what make the group such a treasured resource for me.
DanD - aka DJAmbient
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: Okefenokee Web Page Updated
I've updated my page about the Ricochet Dreams event at Okefenokee in 2001 to
include what data I have regarding the CD release. Please see:
http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox/oke/oke2001.html
Please let me know if you spot any errors that I should correct.
Cheers,
Bill
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
By the way - I have the single CD version of Poland, with the 14 minutes
version of Barbakane; what am I missing? Poland is my favourite album. Can
someone tell what are Barbakane Part 3 and the extra lenght of Horizon like?
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum?
>The reason why I prefer a forum over a mailing list is that you can have 20
>conversations going on, and each conversation is self-contained in its own
>page.
You can already do that; email messages have a subject line too - just
delete all boring ones.
>Right now, on this list, we have a LOT of incidences where 'I can't get
>ahold of so-and-so, can he/she please e-mail me off list?' A forum would
>get rid of this because we could leave private messages to each other or
>e-mail people directly and they can update their whole profile themselves.
>Each person could keep a list of their favorite albums, a picture of
>themselves, etc. Each person could have their trade lists, etc.
Three words:
Yahoo IDs
Homepages
>Whenever I talk to people about why they left the list, the answer is
>always that there is a lot of talk about topics they don't want to read
>about, or they feel they can't discuss what they want to because of certain
>policies/rules.
>
>A forum would fix this because we could have a Coffee House (As I do on my
>forum (700 members, 3,000 posts in the last year)) for general, polite
>discussion, and then a 'Tangerine Dream Addicts' section which would be a
>bit more free-form and less restrictive.
Like.. erm... someone already mentioned, there're already half a dozen
almost unused TD specia-lists on Yahoo.
>If a forum was set up by Joe, with the same kind of community as the
>current list, but with individual topics you can follow and reply to, how
>many people would be interested in moving there?
I wouldn't. Basically I like the current situation so much because I can
handle all my interests via Hotmail.
John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: First Appearences Of...
A plain answer will do:
1) When did TD for the first time use a sequencer at a live show?
2) What exactly was Baumann's first appearence in TD? Oszillator concert,
Ultima Thule, Zeit or something else..?
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From:
Carlos Martínez Salas
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:36
pm
Subject: HEY, DALE!
Hi, sorry for the intrusion, I'm looking for Dale (Administrator for
kay-net.com)
I've sent a bunch of emails to him, all of which have been rebounded;
I NEED to make contact in order to jump in the td cd tree,
please, Dale contact off list,
see ya!
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:40
pm
Subject: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02
MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at CHABOT PLANETARIUM
You and your family are invited to join the Kevin Keller Trio for this
very special evening of classical space music and a live star show at
Chabot Space & Science Center, Friday, April 26, at 8 PM. Tickets are
selling fast, and advance tickets are strongly recommended. Buy tickets
online through Ticketweb, or at the Chabot Box Office (510) 336-7373.
Kevin Keller Trio (Tania Simoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass, Kevin
Keller/keyboards)
Music Under the Stars
Friday, April 26 at 8 PM (Doors open at 7:30 PM)
Tickets: $15 General Admission, $12 Students/Members/ Seniors/ Children
Ask Jeeves Planetarium
Chabot Space & Science Center
10000 Skyline Drive, Oakland, CA
(510) 336-7373
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Follow this link to buy tickets online
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or visit http://www.kevinkeller.com/look.html
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'Moonlake', the third single from Across the Sky is now available as a
free download at the Listening Station. This deep, moving music features
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under the full moon. Also playing is Part 3 of the title suite,
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CD RELEASE CONCERT A GREAT SUCCESS
We would like to thank everyone who came out to the Morrison Planetarium
on Sunday, March 24, and helped to make it a very special evening. Here
are some comments that we got from fans after the show:
'Very soothing - beautiful visuals' -George C.
'Fantastic!' -Tom F.
'Cosmic show - wonderful and enlightening!' -Dolores M.
'Out of this world!' -Ken M.
We look forward to seeing everyone at the upcoming show at Chabot on
April 26. Thank you for your support and encouragement. It means a lot
to us.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:35
pm
Subject: re: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02
>Subject: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02
>MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at CHABOT PLANETARIUM
A cool place to see a show--saw Henry Kaiser david gans et al play space
music under the stars there years back.
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From:
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Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02
tei waz wrote:
> >Subject: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02
>
> >MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at CHABOT PLANETARIUM
>
> A cool place to see a show--saw Henry Kaiser david gans et al play space
> music under the stars there years back.
That must have been at the old planetarium. The new Chabot Planetarium just
opened in August 2000, and they only just started doing concerts there.
--
Kevin Keller
Composer and Producer - Classical Space Music
E-mail: kkproductions@e...
****
Kevin Keller Trio
Live at Chabot Planetarium, Oakland, CA
Friday, April 26 at 8 PM
Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com
From:
Winston Edmond
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:01
pm
Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list
Antonio Nunes replied:
> There is already alt.music.tangerine-dream which is not moderated but
> usually stays on-topic.
Gee, lookie there... I have several ISPs and NONE of them had the
group, which is why I didn't know it existed. Google knows about it,
though. Time to prod my ISP's news admins to start carrying it. Thanks,
Antonio!
-WBE
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
John Vertical wrote:
>
> A plain answer will do:
> 1) When did TD for the first time use a sequencer at a live show?
> 2) What exactly was Baumann's first appearence in TD? Oszillator concert,
> Ultima Thule, Zeit or something else..?
I'd like to know this too. I think it was
Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71]
but I'm not sure.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
Oh, sorry. My post was regarding John's second question.
John Vertical wrote:
>
> 2) What exactly was Baumann's first appearence in TD? Oszillator concert,
> Ultima Thule, Zeit or something else..?
I'd like to know this too. I think it was
Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71]
but I'm not sure.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'Steve Yensen'
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:00
am
Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list
Joe,
I may have misinterpreted your intentions here, but I would like this made
as clear as possible!
Could you tell me please exactly what you are intending to do? At the
moment I'm receiving my emails from All 4 of the Yahoo Groups TD lists in
digest mode. I've been doing this since I joined the original tadream list
in 1997.
I certainly don't want individual messages in my mailbox, nor do I want the
discussions split up into separate 'forums'. Another thing I don't want is
to go to a website to read messages. My ISP's performance is so pathetic
that it becomes almost physically painful!
I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to change. If all
you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, then fine. If
not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out.
I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, but I do read
every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute then I will
certainly do so.
Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do!
Cheers,
Steve
in Nottingham, England
(and a TD fan since 1973)
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: name the tadream mailing list
>There is 'tangerinedream' for discussion
>and trade of bootlegs, but how many messages about this topic? And I've
>found yet another 'Tangerine_Dream' list in yahoogroups, with 3
>members!!! So, please no more TD lists!!!
Hi,
I only partially agree with Antonio. The need for specific sub-lists
comes and goes, but we MUST HAVE at least two:
The 'official' list, where TDI can read and participate (not only an
'announce' group), and another one TDI can pretend does not exist ;-)
Discussing the tree on the official list in such detail as giving
access to all names and postal adresses turned out ok in the end,
but could have gone fantasmagorially wrong, if you think about it...
As for the technology, I admit I'm a luddite and prefer mailing lists
in daily digest formats. Just from an accessibility point of view,
a usenet newsgroup automatically copying it's messages to a mailing
list, plus web based access should serve everybody.
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Ticket for the June 15 show
Hi,
Since the show on June 15 in Berlin is the Inferno show (performed for the
third time) - will I sell my ticket.
It is a ticket for best part of the sitting area. Price 47 Euro or 29 punds.
If you want the ticket - Berlin is a exciting city ! - then maybe offer
a CD or 2 ... instead of money
Send the mail to pr@r...
Peter
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
From:
'horrod6'
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: Re: Forum
Personally, I'm happy with the way things are now. I get the daily digest
and skip over the topics I'm not interested in. Here in benighted Britain
I'm paying for the time I spend connected to the net, so I only pick up my
e-mail once or twice a day, so this is perfect for me. But, as ever, I'll go
with the majority decision.
LnH
Marion
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] name the tadream mailing list
At 02.03.31-13:39, Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> >There is 'tangerinedream' for discussion and trade of bootlegs, but how
> many messages about this topic? And I've found yet another
> 'Tangerine_Dream' list in yahoogroups, with 3 members!!! So, please no
> more TD lists!!!
>
>a usenet newsgroup automatically copying it's messages to a mailing
>list, plus web based access should serve everybody.
Personally, I avoid usenet like the plague. It's a little too open
for access that virtually *everyone* and their grandmother can post to. And
because of this there's this damned annoying thing called SPAM that gets in
the way.
Because usenet is so open, there's nothing to prevent Spammers
from trolling the newsgroups for email addresss' to add to their databases.
I'm already dealing with just over a MEGABYTE (on the average) of
unsolicited email every *month* wasting my bandwidth, space on my hard
drive, and time.....so much that the printing on my 'Delete' key is worn off!
Just an FYI, I get ~1000 emails a week.....YMMV
Pete Isaacson
aka
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mailto:penfold@a...
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235
AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: Usenet
I would strongly oppose this list going to Usenet.
Too many people can't get the existing TD list from their news server (I
know I can't) and it's very open to spam plus the e-mail address trolling
problem. Even if everyone could get this group on Usenet, I'd prefer yahoo.
As for my forum idea, there's no reason we can't support daily digests!
Joe would run a listserv program (just like before on uwp) alongside the
forum. The forum would send an e-mail to the listserv every time there is a
new forum post, and then the listserv would generate either daily digests
or individual e-mails depending on your preference.
The only technical challenge is what to do with incoming messages. I'd
rather they did not go into a slush pile!
I guess if there were at least 2 active moderators, then we could keep the
time it takes from getting an incoming message to the time it is posted
under the right forum topic and then echoed back to the mailing list (so
everyone who wants e-mails or daily digest e-mails gets it) down to a few
hours.
There might even be a way so if you reply to a topic by e-mail, if the
topic of your e-mail EXACTLY matches the topic on the forum, then your
message will be tucked underneath the appropriate topic.
How frustrating would it be to click a link in your e-mail to reply to a topic?
-Morgan
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From:
'civance'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:36
am
Subject: Good news for Near Dark fans! - and a HUGE Thank You!
I was poking around the Anchor Bay website the other day and found
the following TD relevant info:
Near Dark 16x9, DTS, Dolby EX, Commentary, Interviews, cc
Near Dark - Limited Edition TBD
This looks like its scheduled for between July and December of 2002.
No specific date given.
While I'm here since I rarely post anymore...
I want to pass around a GREAT big --Thank You--
to Maff, ATye, Tom Richmond [for the DWT 2 tree], Heiko [you da man!
keep up the great work with the Parallel Dreams series etc!], Al [for
sharing those wonderful sources with Heiko!], Joe [for doing the TD
Tree]. I hope I didn't forget anybody. If so, please insert your
name here --> <--. hehe! May we have many future tree releases
from great sources!! :o)
Take care,
Chad
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From:
'gkopuy'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:47
am
Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list
--- In tadream@y..., 'Steve Yensen' wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I may have misinterpreted your intentions here, but I would like
this made
> as clear as possible!
>
> Could you tell me please exactly what you are intending to do? At
the
> moment I'm receiving my emails from All 4 of the Yahoo Groups TD
lists in
> digest mode. I've been doing this since I joined the original
tadream list
> in 1997.
>
> I certainly don't want individual messages in my mailbox, nor do I
want the
> discussions split up into separate 'forums'. Another thing I don't
want is
> to go to a website to read messages. My ISP's performance is so
pathetic
> that it becomes almost physically painful!
>
> I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to
change. If all
> you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, then
fine. If
> not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out.
>
> I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, but I
do read
> every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute then
I will
> certainly do so.
>
> Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do!
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
> in Nottingham, England
> (and a TD fan since 1973)
I fully agree with Steve.
Regards,
Roger
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Usenet
>How frustrating would it be to click a link in your e-mail to reply to a
>topic?
Depends on one's activity, but that would destroy the whole purpose of
getting the list by email...
I'm glad that no-one wants the Usenet option, but perhaps we could set up a
poll about this? 3 choices:
1) I want a forum
2) I don't want a forum
3) I don't care
I'm not sure yet whether this should be made, what do you think? At least
there has been loads of 'I'll go with the majority' -votes already...
John Vertical
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:50
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...]
>
> I'd like to know this too. I think it was
>
> Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71]
>
> but I'm not sure.
71?
I'm not sure either but TD didn't use Moogs back then.
Could be another controller but I doubt it. First signs
of a sequencer on a regular TD album is on Atem. (again
not 100% sure)
Marcel
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
In a message dated 4/1/2002 2:52:02 AM Central Standard Time,
mengels@w... writes:
> > Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71]
> >
> > but I'm not sure.
>
> 71?
> I'm not sure either but TD didn't use Moogs back then.
> Could be another controller but I doubt it. First signs
> of a sequencer on a regular TD album is on Atem. (again
> not 100% sure)
>
> Marcel
>
*Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to be the first
appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers...
(Which I think is a very interesting question and I don't think was answered,
though I can't be sure as my mail has been erratic since the last yahoo
blip.)
Oh, by the way congratulations on what sounds like a great performance,
Marcel.
Poly
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 10:37
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
>
> *Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to
> be the first
> appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers...
Haha oops still recovering from the trip back from Jodrell.
> Oh, by the way congratulations on what sounds like a great performance,
> Marcel.
Thanks!
Despite all the weird problems we had with setting up
the gear, the concert went great.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
>*Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to be the
>first
>appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers...
>
>(Which I think is a very interesting question and I don't think was
>answered,
>though I can't be sure as my mail has been erratic since the last yahoo
>blip.)
I think that the topic of first sequence overall has already been answered;
and the answer would be Astral Voyager (or Phaedra, is you believe that
majority of Green Desert was actually recorded in 80+n)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
>*Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to be the
>first
>appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers...
>
>(Which I think is a very interesting question and I don't think was
>answered,
>though I can't be sure as my mail has been erratic since the last yahoo
>blip.)
(Whoops, accidental click on the 'Send' button..)
I think that the topic of first sequence overall has already been answered;
it would be Astral Voyager (or Phaedra... if you believe that majority of
Green Desert was actually recorded in 80+n).
Actually my other question was, when did TD use a sequencer in a _live show_
for the first time?
John Vertical
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
In a message dated 4/1/2002 5:20:25 AM Central Standard Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> I think that the topic of first sequence overall has already been answered;
> and the answer would be Astral Voyager (or Phaedra, is you believe that
> majority of Green Desert was actually recorded in 80+n)
>
*I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that Astral Voyager as it appears in
Green Desert was recorded prior to Phaedra...
Those sounds are clearly PPG waveforms and that technology didn't exist until
the eighties... besides can't your ears tell you how obviously out of place
that timeframe is when the early albums are listened to in that order?
(Rhetorical question, not you specifically John.)
Poly
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
>*I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that Astral Voyager as it appears in
>Green Desert was recorded prior to Phaedra...
>Those sounds are clearly PPG waveforms and that technology didn't exist
>until
>the eighties... besides can't your ears tell you how obviously out of place
>that timeframe is when the early albums are listened to in that order?
>(Rhetorical question, not you specifically John.)
>Poly
I'll answer still ;-)
Of course it doesn't sound exactly like Atem or Zeit, because it has been
_mixed_, not just mastered. (No re- suffix avaivable...) Or does the Dream
Roots version of Poland sound 80ish? No...
I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but newer sequence layers don't
mean that there could be some older, too. The piece cannot have been just
isolate flute notes before, if it really was used to convince Virgin that
the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was reperformed, too, like
Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995?
John Vertical
np: Dolphin Dance on Livemiles West Berlin Concert - stunning! Doesn't
matter at all that it's completely unlike to the US version...
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From:
'Neil Hudson'
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:22
pm
Subject: Sorceror date
>'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark
This is interesting - I've always thought that parts of it predate
Stratosfear - but might I ask how you know this? The record itself doesn't
give a composition date, and Paul Stump's unreliable 'Digital Gothic' dates
it to Spring 77.
Cheers
Neil Hudson
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
In a message dated 4/1/2002 7:41:45 AM Central Standard Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but newer sequence layers don't
> mean that there could be some older, too. The piece cannot have been just
> isolate flute notes before, if it really was used to convince Virgin that
> the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was reperformed, too, like
> Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995?
>
> John Vertical
>
*Doubt it, there is no level at which Green Desert appears that is remotely
like what they were doing prior to the eighties... it's not just the sound
itself, compositionally
that is NOT what they were doing or even capable of back then. The only thing
to my ears that could have been there at all in the whole GD album was the
drumming and a very very few synth parts. As for it being something to
convince Virgin my guess is they just barely started the recording process
when Peter came back.
I'm sorry, but there is just no way I'm buying the story on this one.
Poly
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorceror date
Neil Hudson wrote:
>
> >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark
>
> This is interesting - I've always thought that parts of it predate
> Stratosfear - but might I ask how you know this?
I believe, an interview. I'm not sure. I can't check now because I'm tied up
downloading 'TT'. I'll write more later. I can tell you this:
'When we did Sorcerer, we created the music before a foot of film had
been shot.' - EF (Mark Pendergast, from 'TANGENTS' notes).
I did research it. I remember that I was a little surprised that it predated
the tour that produced 'Ricochet', but only a little.
> The record itself doesn't
> give a composition date, and Paul Stump's unreliable 'Digital Gothic' dates
> it to Spring 77.
That's when the LP was released.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 4:20
pm
Subject: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list
Hi Steve-
First of all, please don't think that because you are a lurker you won't be
taken seriously!
I do have several options, but right now, I'm just looking at moving the
discussion to the tadream.net domain if I determine that I can provide the
same - or better - level of service for subscribers and maintain adequate
list management capabilities. Maybe more/varied features will come later,
but for now, I'm simply investigating the options that will keep the
delivery options the same. Yes, this means all messages in one discussion
list the way we have it now, without breaking it out into multiple forums.
Or at least this is the way that it will appear to mailing list subscribers.
There is also the web-based viewing and newsgroup viewing options that are
being explored. Ultimately, I'd like for people tobe allowed the choice of
their method(s) of interacting with the message database. When you think
about it, we are not e-mailing each other, but communicating with a
database. your e-mails go directly into that databse, and what you read is
coming out of it. So the method that you use to interact with that message
database doesn't really matter as long as it works for you.
There are reasons yahoogorups is good and bad. The factor against moving
away, spam notwithstanding, is largely that yahoogroups has some pretty neat
features that make my job a lot easier, as well as good subscriber features.
The web interface for a listowner provides powerful tools that enable me to
provide a more pleasant experience for subscribers overall. An example is
the 'Unmoderated, Moderate new members' list setting. This allows me to
screen new subscribers' posts for appropriateness before letting them in to
the list. I cannot tell you how much spam this has prevented, that
subscribers never even know about because it is intercepted. This feature
alone is almost enough to keep me at yahoogorups indefinitely, if I couldn't
have it elsewhere. i'd even sacrifice the unused featurtes at yahoogorups
like the calendar, the chat, the polling, etc. But all of this stuff I
could assemble separately. the main thing is your flexibility of mail
options, useability, ease of admin. I'm checking into that now.
Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of them thar fancy list
admin features I was just talking about, and no less than THREE popup
windows came up. This is such crap anymore. You can't go to any public
site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera, classmates.com, ads, stupid
trivia questions, fake message alerts, etc. it's crazy anymore! These
sites have every right to advertise how they want, but I just want us to
have our own little ad-free place we can hang out.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Yensen [mailto:steve@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 6:00 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; jshoults@f...
> Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I may have misinterpreted your intentions here, but I would
> like this made
> as clear as possible!
>
> Could you tell me please exactly what you are intending to do? At the
> moment I'm receiving my emails from All 4 of the Yahoo Groups
> TD lists in
> digest mode. I've been doing this since I joined the
> original tadream list
> in 1997.
>
> I certainly don't want individual messages in my mailbox, nor
> do I want the
> discussions split up into separate 'forums'. Another thing I
> don't want is
> to go to a website to read messages. My ISP's performance is
> so pathetic
> that it becomes almost physically painful!
>
> I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to
> change. If all
> you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host,
> then fine. If
> not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out.
>
> I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously,
> but I do read
> every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute
> then I will
> certainly do so.
>
> Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do!
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
> in Nottingham, England
> (and a TD fan since 1973)
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: OT: yahoogroups sneaky spam tactic
Here are the instructions on how to make sure you won't be yahoogroups spam
victim. I do not know if this applies to people who are subscribed WITHOUT
a yahoogroups profile. I wouldn't think it would, but I don't know. If you
do not have a yahoogroups profile, these instructions won't apply to you.
Yahoo has made a sneaky change to allow them to send you tons of
spam.
After you log in to the MyGroups page you'll see 'Account Info' at
the top right of your screen.
Click that and enter your password. In the next screen
you'll see under the 'Member Info' section a blue 'Edit my marketing
preferences', click on that and you'll see that they have set
everything to 'Yes' so they can send you lots of spam.
Select 'No' for anything or everything you don't want. Be sure to
save your changes at the bottom when you finish.
Joe Shoults
Listowner
From:
'Steve Yensen'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: RE: RE: name the tadream mailing list
Joe and the list,
Thanks for your feedback. I am a list owner on an AA-related list Yahoo
Groups and know how useful their features can be. But the pop-ups are very
annoying too!
As far as being taken seriously is concerned, I've already had a 'you don't
matter' type of post from a particularly obnoxious member of another
(electronic music related) list also on Yahoo Groups. Just ignore my last
comment, please! Sorry!
Again, I'll certainly go along with the majority. There are many TD experts
on this list, and although I've been following them (TD that is) for nearly
30 years, I'm certainly no expert! I would miss this list very much if I
were to leave so it isn't likely to happen!
Cheers,
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
Sent: 01 April 2002 17:20
To: 'Steve Yensen'; tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list
Hi Steve-
First of all, please don't think that because you are a lurker you won't be
taken seriously!
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:11
pm
Subject: Colleagues & Guests
http://www.tangerinedream.de/strangers.html
I just read the above link for the first time in along while, but it almost
seemed I hadn't read it ever before...
I wonder if it had been rewritten, or if my memory is just getting bad... haha
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:48
pm
Subject: First Sequencer?
>I'll answer still ;-)
>Of course it doesn't sound exactly like Atem or Zeit, because it has been
>_mixed_, not just mastered. (No re- suffix avaivable...) Or does the Dream
>Roots version of Poland sound 80ish? No...
>I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but newer sequence layers don't
>mean that there could be some older, too. The piece cannot have been just
>isolate flute notes before, if it really was used to convince Virgin that
>the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was reperformed, too, like
>Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995?
>
>John Vertical
Phaedra and Stratosfear were not reperformed for Tangents. They were
re-worked and performed live on 1986-2001 shows in various forms. Logos
'Blue' is the same in this regard.
I have bootlegs of 1983, so I know that everything performed on 'Poland'
was not only possible in 1983 but played (albiet there were differences).
The same with Logos, Pergamon/Tangram, Encore, etc.
I'd have to agree with the idea that Green Desert is largely a
reperformance or remix done in the mid-80's. It has too many mid-80's
sounds. I think it's been said that the sequencer on Green Desert was not
possible with the equipment TD had at the time. (could be misquoting)
-Morgan
From:
'Hulshoff, Bert'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 7:28
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list
Steve Yensen wrote
I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to change. If all
you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, then fine. If
not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out.
I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, but I do read
every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute then I will
certainly do so.
Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do!
I speak
I think the same, and about spam , at this moment i have not got some from
Yahoo, yet.
(everything has its price)
Greetings
Bert
From:
'rbicon'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 11:03
am
Subject: Looking for those
Hello,maybe some of you can help.I'm looking to complete the first
Digital Tape Tree. I have cd 1 up to cd 20. So i'm missing cd 21 to
25 i think,but i'm not sure. Maybe it's more than 25 cd.
Also,i'm looking for the boot recorded in Hammersmith Odeon on
September 26 and 27.
I can fix a trade if someone is interested.
You can view my TD ,Klaus Schulze and various Electronic music boots
collection at;
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan
As always,thanks
Sylvain from Québec
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 11:06
am
Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris
I think you can find the same clickclack-sound from
Soundmill Navigator also from Mars Polaris. Listen
Mars Mission Counter (with a not so good speakers like
the ones you have on computers) and it first appears
after 3:20 and makes numerous appearances afterwards.
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 8:30
pm
Subject: Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list
Not to mention the ads that come with the mail messges now... which also
provide a nice little freezing in Eudora when the message loads the ad
picture. Very nice.
---
Joe wrote:
> Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of them thar fancy list
admin features I was just talking about, and no less than THREE popup windows
came up. This is such crap anymore.
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 2:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list
Set your yahoogroup options to deliver mail in text only (no HTML). I get
ads, but they are just 2 or 3 lines of text at the bottom, which are easily
ignored.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:30 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list
>
>
> Not to mention the ads that come with the mail messges now...
> which also
> provide a nice little freezing in Eudora when the message
> loads the ad
> picture. Very nice.
>
> ---
> Joe wrote:
> > Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of
> them thar fancy list admin features I was just talking about,
> and no less than THREE popup windows came up. This is such
> crap anymore.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris
>I think you can find the same clickclack-sound from
>Soundmill Navigator also from Mars Polaris. Listen
>Mars Mission Counter (with a not so good speakers like
>the ones you have on computers) and it first appears
>after 3:20 and makes numerous appearances afterwards.
>
>Regards,
>TheInfection
Hmm.. I don't actually get it. I hear no clicks around 3.20, except the main
theme perhaps, but it does appear earlier, too... And I didn't know there
was a 'the' click-clack in Soundmill Navigator...
---
After some careful listeing of that spot, yet, there's a sort of clashing
sound in the background - but I don't recognize it being from Soundmill...
---
More listening. The repeating glitter at the end of the sequence of SmN, I
first though it was that. But I'm not too sure about it after listening to
both.
But it's not impossible either for them to have the same source, as that
sound apparently is added later. It's not found on Birth of a Black Hole...
John Vertical
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:02
pm
Subject: annoying ads/universal web filtering...
been using proxomitron to filter web content--don't know if this will help
you, but here's some info:
http://www.flaaten.dk/prox/features.html
--T
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: Interesting translations (was: [tadream] 17 TDI CDs for only 9.99 Euros / 8 $ - each!!!)
Since I'm not a German speaker, I ran the web page through AltaVista
translater. Some of the disc titles had interesting translations:
Great Barrier of China
Seaweed RAM
Seaweed Go
What a Blow
Soho One
And my favorite:
Dream Mixes Three - The Past dog-talk Moons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...]
>
> The JPC homepage is: www.jpc.de
> They are selling to foreign countries, too.
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Finnish
Can anyone on the list from Finland please contact me offlist? I need a
translation of one sentence.
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: Private Tapes for sale !!!
Hello ,
I have an the ultra rare 6CD Set: The Private Tapes - Ashra, Ash Ra
Tempel and Manuel Göttsching for sale !!!!
This set is an limited edition of only 1000 copies. And it is long
out of print.
For tracklist please visit my HP: www.tribute-to-ashra.de
If you interested in these Set, please make me an serious offer .
Please contact me offlist. Thank you.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
From:
'albenson'
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 6:30
pm
Subject: Re: Good news for Near Dark fans! - and a HUGE Thank You!
Chad the consummate mp3 'TD diehard' collector wrote (excerpt):
> [...] ...While I'm here since I rarely post anymore...
> I want to pass around a GREAT big --Thank You--
> to Maff, ATye, Tom Richmond [for the DWT 2 tree],
> Heiko [you da man! keep up the great work with the
> Parallel Dreams series etc!], Al [for sharing those
> wonderful sources with Heiko!], Joe [for doing the
> TD Tree]. I hope I didn't forget anybody. If so, please
> insert your name here --> <--. hehe! May we have many
> future tree releases from great sources!! :o)
>
> Take care,
> Chad
__________________________________________
Thanks Chad! (see you soon pal -- on the ICC :-)
Well, soooo many ~TD diehards~ contributed to the
overwhelming success of this Tadream Tree project.
My 'April Fools' day present was to find stuffed deep
inside my mailbox one small 'Ready Post' mailer that
Joe had kindly sent to me (*thanks* Joe!).
I'm still sifting *very carefully* through it... :-)
However, the outstanding T-tree 'highlight' for me so far
(an understatement if there ever was one) is the show at
Nottingham, UK (November 08, 1976). I've heard many
and even on 'reel to reel' (yes, those exists too). How-
ever, this '2nd gen' source fan tape (transferred digitally
to SHN & CDR) simply has me near ~TD diehard~ tears.
As, Composition #1 'Scale Deluxe' (one of the few un-
known ~TD live~ compositions that I actually gave names
too) -- it's simply the very best I've ever heard! ~bar none~
The second composition (aptly named 'Sorcerer Supreme')
ain't bad either... ;-)
Besides, it's now time to fire up the 'Stax' again for
the umpteenth time. BTW: Who's counting? ~lol~
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
******************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
A ~Steven Wright~ joke:
'Got a blank tape... Played it on my stereo system. My
neighbor complained. So, I turned it up full blast...' :^)
NP: You all know the bottom line...
Just about_anything_so long as it's
~TANGERINE DREAM~
[Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!]
_________________________________________________
From:
'civance'
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 7:06
am
Subject: another Thank you I forgot :)
Hello again! Its just lil ol me!
I TOTALLY forgot one very important name in my list of thank yous. I
feel really stupid now that I realized it too.
A BIG huge THANK you goes out to Morgan. Thanks man for the care
packages!! They are very much appreciated!
See ya,
Chad
From:
TheInfection
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 7:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
--- Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/1/2002 7:41:45 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> johnvertical@h... writes:
> > I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but
> newer sequence layers don't
> > mean that there could be some older, too. The
> piece cannot have been just
> > isolate flute notes before, if it really was used
> to convince Virgin that
> > the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was
> reperformed, too, like
> > Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995?
> >
> > John Vertical
> >
>
> *Doubt it, there is no level at which Green Desert
> appears that is remotely
> like what they were doing prior to the eighties...
> it's not just the sound
> itself, compositionally
> that is NOT what they were doing or even capable of
> back then. The only thing
> to my ears that could have been there at all in the
> whole GD album was the
> drumming and a very very few synth parts. As for it
> being something to
> convince Virgin my guess is they just barely started
> the recording process
> when Peter came back.
> I'm sorry, but there is just no way I'm buying the
> story on this one.
> Poly
I have to agree with Poly. Altough GD is a great
album, but the sequences and some other parts are
clearly from the 80's. For example White Coulds has
the flute sound that was used in White Eagle as I have
mentioned this before.
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 1:59
pm
Subject: Pop-ups
Joe S wrote:
>Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of them thar fancy
list
>admin features I was just talking about, and no less than THREE popup
>windows came up.
If you are using Windows 95, 98 or 2000 you can always try Nagger (if you
can spare 500 kb disc space). Takes care of pop-ups effectively.
/Olle
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 5:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] multiple mailing lists or USENET newsgroup?
In keeping with the KISS principle, I vote we stay like we are. If you see a
thread you don't want to read, it's easy enough to delete the messages from
your email list. Besides, I have found that reading every message can be a
real hoot with jokes or even a learning experience albeit somewhat
peripheral in my case. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>[Note: the idea of a forum or >1 list assumes that not everyone want to
> read every message and that the number of messages is large enough that
> weeding out the ones you don't want takes enough time to matter.
It doesn't.
>can only be answered by people here speaking up if they know they
>wouldn't, or if they just plain don't like the idea and want to stick
>with a mailing list.
I do.
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales II
Sorry for this post, but could Conrad Gibbons contact me re. my copies of
DreamWatcher's Tales II, I've lost his e-mail address due to a change of
computer...
Paul
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 6:26
pm
Subject: Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
Definitely a history of interesting TD items....
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 10:10
pm
Subject: Noisemill Snavigator
>John Vertical said:
>
>theme perhaps, but it does appear earlier, too... And I didn't know there
>was a 'the' click-clack in Soundmill Navigator...
At the risk of reigniting a huge conflict we had many months ago, Edgar
Froese announced that 1976.06.27 Berlin Philharmonic, a 35 minute show,
would be released at such-and-such a time. 2 months before the release
date, Edgar went into the legendary TD vault and pulled out the tape and
discovered, to his horror, that part of the tape had degenerated. Upon
playback, a chht chht chht sound was heard, drifting back and forth from
channel to channel and slowly morphing over the duration of the concert
from cht cht cht to shhht shhht shht.
Well, Edgar had many options before him. Of course he chose the road least
traveled. Rather than turn the tape over to a sound engineer to see what
could be done, he sampled the chht chht sound and loaded it into his
keyboard. Then, as is often the case, Edgar felt that the work was
unfinished and needed new introduction, ending, and many overlays of 2001
sounds. To minimize the tape flaw's effect, he deicided to overlay the tape
flaw sample over the parts that were 100% new materials (primarily the
beginning and end).
This is what was released as Soundmill Navigator.
You can imagine the anger struck in the TD community, especially when it
was announced by Martin K. of TDI Management a month before release that
the music would be as-is and not doctored or overdubbed in any way. Our
frustrations subsided when the conditions of the tape were described to us
and the matter almost went away. Except for one thing.
Some sound engineers who are also TD fans (maybe fanatics) took a crack at
removing the tape flaw in the studio and were shocked that in just a couple
of hours of manipulations and alterations, the tape flaw could be
COMPLETELY REMOVED with almost no harm to the music. As the music did not
encroach into the frequencies taken up by the tape flaw, it could be
excised like a rogue wisdom tooth without hurting the gums. There was a lot
of wise concern on the part of these sound engineers about releasing such a
project, as it was crossing into the realm of pirating the original disc.
Eventually, a denoised version of Soundmill Navigator leaked out as
'Planetary Navigator'.
Recently, an excellent bootleg recording from the FM radio broadcast of
this concert has appeared. It is a first or second generation tape and,
with some equalization work by some TD fans, has been released as Tangerine
Tree Vol 8.
Unless Edgar wants to give a lucky sound engineer a crack at fixing the
original tape and releasing it, I believe the book has been closed on this
particular concert.
Apologies in advance for any errors.
-Morgan
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From:
'albenson'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 4:20
am
Subject: Re: Noisemill Snavigator
Morgan kindly wrote (excerpt):
> Recently, an excellent bootleg recording from the
> FM radio broadcast of this concert has appeared.
> It is a first or second generation tape and, with
> some equalization work by some TD fans, has
> been released as Tangerine Tree Vol 8.
Some clarification re: the above follows. *That* cassette master
tape was mastered from Spect's original fan CDR ('Danger Live,
pt. II', see *1a below), using CDR direct to my Nakamichi BX-300.
A second special Nak 'hot copy' (Maxell XL-IIS) was also made
and supplied to Heiko for his use specifically in the Tadream Tree
Project 2002. Other participants included are Jabberwock (John),
who received the original DAT recording from a TD contact in
England (Jason), and then sent over to Spect which he then trans-
formed into a Waveform CD. Also, Jerzy (3N), who masterfully
remastered this show from the above second Nak 'hot' tape copy
that I supplied to our very own 'Tadream Tree Master' -- Heiko.
~lol~ It truly takes a full tandem TD fan effort to preserve what
we TD diehards of diehards simply love to do... To preserve for
all time the very best of the best of the great ~live~ concert rec-
ordings of: Tangerine Dream! ;-)
Hope that clarifies a few of the technical details that surround
just 'how and why' we all now hear it as Vol. #8 (Redbook)
of the current T-tree project... :-)
I won't get into the other aspects of 'Soundpill Navigator' (or,
as our German TD colleagues like to say: 'Soundmull'), as I
think we have all been through it soooo many times that it's
truly 'ad nauseam' at this point. Except to perhaps re-post
an excerpt of one of my two responses that I posted in the
old TDI guestbook on April 19, 2000 (the original post was
published in Tadream and is fully credited below):
_________________________________________________
The TDI Guestbook (04/19/00):
>> True, I sometimes do *love & hate* them simultaneously...
>> Even when I do criticize try to do it with wit, flavor and
>> charm... Case in point when I wrote in Tadream Digest
>> #234 in a response to 'Sohoman' (Re: Re: Rubycon (no
>> D: Studio!) / Silver Scale), on 10/11/99 the following
>> (excerpt):
>>
>> '...Speaking of the Edgar Froese and the vaults... Yes, every
>> so often I simply relish being totally absorbed and watching
>> the movie 'Thief' (1983), directed by Michael Mann of 'The
>> Keep' and 'Streethawk' TV series fame. We'll decidedly give
>> EF plenty of room here... However, I and many other TD die-
>> hards can only wait sooo long. My background is that of a pro-
>> professional organizer. So, if someday some of you get private
>> e-mails from me which include a 'master plan' requiring your
>> immediate updated passports and travel plans to London... LOL'
>>
>> PS: Joe and EF -- I'm just kidding! All
>> in the true sprit of TD fun and games. :-)
>>
>> PPS: (Private Joke) To Bruce: 'Bring
>> out the hounds, the TD game's afoot!'
>>
>> NP: OST 'Thief' the one & only track 'Diamond Diary' by TD.
>>
>> Well, I'm sure that you all get the idea... I only *kid* about
>> the possibility cause I *love* this group soooo much.
>>
>> My TD Best Always, -- Al (the TD's pal), Berzerkeley, CA / USA
>>
>> PS: The only reason I didn't mention 'J.S. Bach' in my
>> guestbook post of 04/17/00 is that we all know *Bach*
>> is *perfect!* ~lol~
_______________________________________________________
The URL links to the old TDI guestbook are now gone. However
they shall remain fixed forevermore on my TD personal webpages
in: 'TDI Guestbook, Part I & TDI Guestbook. Parts I-III.'
Best Regards,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
******************
*1a: This was discussed at some length in the Tadream post:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: albenson [SMTP:albenson@n...]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:19 AM
> To: Tadream
> Subject: [tadream] D: Boot [Danger Live]
> (was: Re: Invisible melodies)
________________________________________________
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
A ~Steven Wright~ joke:
'Got a blank tape... Played it on my stereo system. My
neighbor complained. So, I turned it up full blast...' :^)
NP: You all know the bottom line...
Just about_anything_so long as it's
~TANGERINE DREAM~
[Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!]
________________________________________________________________
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
Michael Jean wrote:
>
> Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
>
> Definitely a history of interesting TD items....
I tried to find info on SONIXXX but couldn't figure out how to search for ebay
sellers.
Gave up. Any ideas Michael?
Ciao -- Mark
--
See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/
Last updated on: 16 March 2002
From:
'albenson'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
Mark inquired:
> Michael Jean wrote:
>>
>> Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
>>
>> Definitely a history of interesting TD items....
>>>
>>> I tried to find info on SONIXXX but couldn't
>>> figure out how to search for ebay sellers.
>>>
>>> Gave up. Any ideas Michael?
>>>
>>> Ciao -- Mark
___________________________________
Mark --
I tried to contact 'Sonixxx' previously on another
matter, but he has *not* answered my e-mail yet....
Here is the eBay sellers direct URL link to his TD
auctions:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=sonixxx&include\
=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
That should work... :-)
(If full link not hyperlinked then paste & scrap the
full two lines above and paste into your browser).
I'm just hanging out tonight and while I'm here...
~lol~ I forgot to 'thank* Morgan for his new TD website
(04/19/02): 'The Unheard Tangerine Dream Discography.'
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
**********************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
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From:
'Jens Kilian'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:20
pm
Subject: [GERMANY] TD-scored Tatort running tomorrow
FYI: Friday, April 5th 2002, 23:15, the 'Tatort' episode 'Das Maedchen auf
der Treppe' will be shown on ARD.
http://programm.das-erste.de/detail1.asp?id=X000115146&sdatlo=05.04.02&sender=1
Have fun,
Jens.
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From:
'albenson'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 6:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Check out ebay seller SONIXXX.
Mark --
Just a quick follow-up... I had trouble too with the link,
not sure whether it's eBay's problem or something else.
So, let's attempt to help you search for sellers on eBay
instead. On the main page the main title bar on top has
several links. Click on 'Search' and a new page comes
up. In the title bar of the 'Search' new options are now
available. Look for 'By Seller' and click on that. Now
in the blank text box labeled 'Single Seller' type in
'Sonixxx' or whomever you're searching and then click
the 'Search' box directly below the info you just typed in...
It will take you directly to 'Sonixxx' 'Items for sale' page.
:-)))
OK -- it's back to TD deep lurk zone mode... ;-)
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
**********************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:49
am
Subject: Unheard TD
>Al Benson posted:
>
>I'm just hanging out tonight and while I'm here...
>~lol~ I forgot to 'thank* Morgan for his new TD website
>(04/19/02): 'The Unheard Tangerine Dream Discography.'
>
>http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
Oh dear. I wasn't ready!
Well, I guess the cat has been unbagged.
I know there are several prominent websites which contain information about
concert venues, dates, whether tapes exist, and various people have
lists--some more complete and accurate than others--of what recordings they
have. But I think there is one niche that can yet be filled (or at least I
can try). That is identifying the more popular bootlegs and knowing which
one(s) provide the best quality and or most complete recording of each
venue and date. I hope I am not stepping on anyone's toes here.
Anyway, I've fixed the date (latest update was actually Tuesday) and added
a comments/corrections box right up at the top. This site is only useful if
it is free of errors so no doubt as people look at it, there will be lots
of things to fix! You're not going to hurt my feelings, actually I
appreciate it. I am still deciding if I am best utilizing the right-hand
column up to its fullest potential. Frankly, I think the right-hand column
makes it a less valuable site as it is seen as my personal collection. I'd
rather it be a more informational site than that.
-Morgan
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my
home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!!
a.
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> here some information about Burg Nideggen:
> Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren.
>
> and links:
> http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html
>
> http://www.burg-nideggen.de/
>
> http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html
>
> http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html
>
> Regards
> heiko - Mr. Optical
> BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed again the first
part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen .
> Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator
I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht sound. It's the only
acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the entire album :) I can't
imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always anxious to hear the start of
it.
Greg H.
Hearing an album many times of random noise across all frequencies can be
considered a work of genius? Why.. because we try and figure and understand
the music out with our own mental processes, and since we think we often
think of ourselves as geniuses, the music seems to be so!
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
> Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my
> home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!!
Well Armin...
now's the time to make the right decision ;-))
A medieval castle would also be a nice location for a wedding, don't you agree?
:-)
Heiko
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
- and the music is just right for a wedding - and well yes the title is
not :-)
>-- Original Message --
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>From: Heiko Heerssen
>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:57:43 +0200
>Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>> Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my
>> home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!!
>
>Well Armin...
>now's the time to make the right decision ;-))
>A medieval castle would also be a nice location for a wedding, don't you
>agree? :-)
>
>Heiko
>
>
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator
>From: 'Greg'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht sound. It's the only
>acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the entire album :) I can't
>imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always anxious to hear the start of
>it.
I sort of like it too. It really ties the whole piece together even tighter.
But I think the background noise does not appear on Mars Mission Counter...
John Vertical
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator
Bah, I think it's one of the annoying noises I know. I
can't listen the music because of it!
Regards,
TheInfection
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >From: 'Greg'
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht
> sound. It's the only
> >acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the
> entire album :) I can't
> >imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always
> anxious to hear the start of
> >it.
>
>
> I sort of like it too. It really ties the whole
> piece together even tighter.
>
> But I think the background noise does not appear on
> Mars Mission Counter...
>
> John Vertical
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator
Greg wrote:
>
> I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht sound. It's the only
> acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the entire album :) I can't
> imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always anxious to hear the start of
> it.
No Greg, you're not the only one. I have a mp3 version of 'Planetary
Navigator' (the denoised Soundmill Navigator) and whenever I listen to
it, I feel that something is missing :-) For me the cht cht on
'Soundmill Navigator' is a sound effect, not a noise.
BTW, I hope I am wrong here, but maybe all this anger about 'Soundmill
Navigator' and 'Sohoman' will refrain Edgar from releasing other vintage
concerts...
Antonio
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:52
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
Hmmm...I had to miss the MArs Polaris debut becuase of my graduation from
grad school..haha
Where are you getting married?
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
>
>
>
> Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my
> home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!!
>
> a.
>
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > here some information about Burg Nideggen:
> > Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren.
> >
> > and links:
> > http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html
> >
> > http://www.burg-nideggen.de/
> >
> > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html
> >
> > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html
> >
> > Regards
> > heiko - Mr. Optical
> > BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed
> again the first
> part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen .
> > Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!!
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator
> BTW, I hope I am wrong here, but maybe all this anger about 'Soundmill
> Navigator' and 'Sohoman' will refrain Edgar from releasing other vintage
> concerts...
I remember that in an 'Elektrobeats' interview two years ago he mentioned a few
concerts which he would like to release, like New York Avery Fisher Hall 1977
(btw, the great Washington Lisner Auditorium gig has its 25th anniversary today
;-) and some others which I can't remember right now.
It's embarrassing but true: a couple of days ago while I was sleeping (no, not
in the office...late at night!! ~lol~) I had a dream of coming home from
work...and all of a sudden a giant parcel is lying on the doormat which I didn't
order or ask for. I open it and see that it is crammed full with TD tapes, at
least a hundred of them (the music which never got taped and which I always
wanted to hear), and there's also a letter from Edgar who says that we should
release all the music through the Tangerine Tree project, and in case there's
anything missing he will dub the music on tape asap.
But it was only a dream :-(
Heiko
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator
>I remember that in an 'Elektrobeats' interview two years ago he mentioned a
>few
>concerts which he would like to release, like New York Avery Fisher Hall
>1977
He'd probably like to treat them a bit too.
Didn't I hear here one day that there was going to be another two 'Antique
Dreams' type albums, but the I-box trampled over them..? Does anyone know
what were these two going to include?
>(btw, the great Washington Lisner Auditorium gig has its 25th anniversary
>today
>;-)
Wow... I guess I must start playing Monolight now...
werr-werrh-werrrrhhh...
John Vertical
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:39
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
>
> Hmmm...I had to miss the MArs Polaris debut becuase of my graduation from
> grad school..haha
>
> Where are you getting married?
Sofia, Bulgaria. Heaven of CD pirates....
a.
>
> MJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:38 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen
> >
> >
> >
> > Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my
> > home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!!
> >
> > a.
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > here some information about Burg Nideggen:
> > > Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren.
> > >
> > > and links:
> > > http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html
> > >
> > > http://www.burg-nideggen.de/
> > >
> > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html
> > >
> > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > heiko - Mr. Optical
> > > BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed
> > again the first
> > part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen .
> > > Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 2:12
pm
Subject: [tree] shns available for ftp download
we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via FTP, so let me
know if you want access.
Joe
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:00
pm
Subject: green desert dates (was RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
I know I'm piping in late on this thread, but I don't think there has ever
been any dispute that Green Desert was a hybrid 1973 - 1986 production.
Unless there has been some denial of this by TD that I don't know of, it has
always been only fan speculation about what the album creation/release dates
meant. The result seems to be that some people for whatever reasons
believe that Edgar was dishonestly trying to make his art look more
'visionary' or ahead of its time than it really was - or something like that
- by trying to make it appear that the sounds on the album released in 1986
were untouched sounds from 1973, based upon the composition dates referenced
on the album. Again, I could be wrong, but I don't think he has ever
actually said this, and even if he did I would still wonder whether he was
being sarcastic, as the sounds are obviously hybrid, if not totally
rerecorded. (I can see him rolling his eyes when asked)
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
> > > I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but
> > newer sequence layers don't
> > > mean that there could be some older, too. The
...
> > *Doubt it, there is no level at which Green Desert
> > appears that is remotely
> > like what they were doing prior to the eighties...
...
> > I'm sorry, but there is just no way I'm buying the
> > story on this one.
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
I do...but my DSL has been down for several days now :-(
Send me the login/pw/port info and I may be able to get it soon.
Thanks.
Craig
PS: Do you know what the status of Morgan's distribution to me and my leafs
are? I could (and will) ask him, but if you haven't sent them his way, then
I won't bother him yet.
Thx.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
>
>
> we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via FTP, so let me
> know if you want access.
>
> Joe
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
For anyone who has a fast connection to the internet
I can recommend it.
I just downloaded 6MB and it took just over a minute,
in fact all the bandwidth I had. :-)
Marcel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:39 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
>
>
> I do...but my DSL has been down for several days now :-(
>
> Send me the login/pw/port info and I may be able to get it soon.
> Thanks.
> Craig
>
> PS: Do you know what the status of Morgan's distribution to me
> and my leafs
> are? I could (and will) ask him, but if you haven't sent them
> his way, then
> I won't bother him yet.
> Thx.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM
> > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > Subject: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
> >
> >
> > we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via
> FTP, so let me
> > know if you want access.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:54
pm
Subject: hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II
From time to time someone posts a message like this.
I'm not annoyed at all by this kind of message, but maybe you don't know we
can see the members list at the Yahoogroups page. Now, I'm not sure you can
see the 'Conrad Gibbons' name (no time to check that now), but I'm sure you
can see the email address and the yahoo ID - maybe a cgibbons, conradg...
there's a possibility that by searching there you (anyone) can find who
you're looking for and avoid sending such messages to the list.
anyway, just a hint.
regards
GJ np. Georg Trakl (KS - X)
> Sorry for this post, but could Conrad Gibbons contact me re. my copies of
> DreamWatcher's Tales II, I've lost his e-mail address due to a change of
> computer...
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
I obviously meant this last post off list...sorry for the clutter.
Craig
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:39 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
>
>
> I do...but my DSL has been down for several days now :-(
>
> Send me the login/pw/port info and I may be able to get it soon.
> Thanks.
> Craig
>
> PS: Do you know what the status of Morgan's distribution to me
> and my leafs
> are? I could (and will) ask him, but if you haven't sent them
> his way, then
> I won't bother him yet.
> Thx.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM
> > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > Subject: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download
> >
> >
> > we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via
> FTP, so let me
> > know if you want access.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: Off Topic- POND
Hey gang I know that POND had recorded a project at
Chris Frankes studio in Berlin. Does anyone out there
know any information about it? Also, does anyone know
how I can get any POND discs?
Contact me privately if necessary.
All the best,
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:21
pm
Subject: Not Releasing Concerts?
>No Greg, you're not the only one. I have a mp3 version of 'Planetary
>Navigator' (the denoised Soundmill Navigator) and whenever I listen to
>it, I feel that something is missing :-) For me the cht cht on
>'Soundmill Navigator' is a sound effect, not a noise.
>
>BTW, I hope I am wrong here, but maybe all this anger about 'Soundmill
>Navigator' and 'Sohoman' will refrain Edgar from releasing other vintage
>concerts...
>
>Antonio
A lot of people will take the concerts, no matter how Edgar 'updates' them,
and love them.
A lot of people will take anything Edgar produces and worship it.
Are these two groups largely overlapping?
If Edgar is going to do all these modifications to a concert, who does it
serve? Edgar does not like the old music and he feels it is rough and
unfinished and must modify it to release it. He has also said that it is
not an enjoyable experience to go back and 'suffer through' the old musical
ideas. I just don't think there are enough TD fanatics who will buy nearly
anything to make this profitable.
The TD fanatics who will buy just about anything, wouldn't they better be
served by Edgar producing new works of art ? Then Edgar is happier with the
work he's putting out, and the TD fanatics have something to buy that Edgar
is prouder of.
Meanwhile the purists can hoarde better and better bootlegs as the years go by.
We have fantastic recordings of the actual Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator
concerts, much better than the bootlegs widely available at the time TD
released their discs. I guess there is a silver lining to Edgar doctoring
concerts--it seems to coax out the good tapes of those shows into the TD
collecting community!
-Morgan
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II
Yes, but it was a sort of double-edged hint to Tom Richmond that I haven't
received them yet :-)
Thanks for the tip anyway...
Paul
le 4/04/02 17:54, Gustavo Jobim à gustavojobim@n... a écrit :
> From time to time someone posts a message like this.
>
> I'm not annoyed at all by this kind of message, but maybe you don't know we
> can see the members list at the Yahoogroups page. Now, I'm not sure you can
> see the 'Conrad Gibbons' name (no time to check that now), but I'm sure you
> can see the email address and the yahoo ID - maybe a cgibbons, conradg...
> there's a possibility that by searching there you (anyone) can find who
> you're looking for and avoid sending such messages to the list.
>
> anyway, just a hint.
> regards
> GJ np. Georg Trakl (KS - X)
>
>> Sorry for this post, but could Conrad Gibbons contact me re. my copies of
>> DreamWatcher's Tales II, I've lost his e-mail address due to a change of
>> computer...
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic- POND
I think that CD was called Maschinenmench or something close to that...
I used to have a copy, but sold it long ago... There were a couple interesting
tracks (including a remake of an Ennio Morricone piece if memeory serves)... I
think a few tracks of theirs may also appear on the Erdenklang LOOKING EAST,
ELECTRONIC EAST series.
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Wade Gordon mindvoyager1@y...
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:00:07 -0800 (PST)
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Off Topic- POND
Hey gang I know that POND had recorded a project at
Chris Frankes studio in Berlin. Does anyone out there
know any information about it? Also, does anyone know
how I can get any POND discs?
Contact me privately if necessary.
All the best,
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 6:53
pm
Subject: [tree] SHN
I have one more copy of the SHNs of the Tangerine Tree available.
Contact me off-list feldon @ feldoncentral.com if you need it.
-Morgan
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?
So what do you think the chances are of us getting an official release of a
1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact?
**wink**
James
> -----Original Message-----
> I guess there is a silver lining to
> Edgar doctoring
> concerts--it seems to coax out the good tapes of those shows
> into the TD
> collecting community!
>
> -Morgan
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic- POND
Yea, that's the animal. The Erdenklang c.d. is all I
have and if it is an indicator for things to come then
baby bring it on. In other words I like it. I think
I will strike off an e-mail to Rudy or Chris and ask
about what happened.
Yours truly,
Wade
--- 'michaeljean@e...'
wrote:
> I think that CD was called Maschinenmench or
> something close to that...
> I used to have a copy, but sold it long ago... There
> were a couple interesting tracks (including a remake
> of an Ennio Morricone piece if memeory serves)... I
> think a few tracks of theirs may also appear on the
> Erdenklang LOOKING EAST, ELECTRONIC EAST series.
>
> MJ
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Wade Gordon mindvoyager1@y...
> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:00:07 -0800 (PST)
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Off Topic- POND
>
>
> Hey gang I know that POND had recorded a project at
> Chris Frankes studio in Berlin. Does anyone out
> there
> know any information about it? Also, does anyone
> know
> how I can get any POND discs?
>
> Contact me privately if necessary.
>
> All the best,
>
> Wade
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?
Dear James,
Why don't you ask Steve J. that question. He is not
that hard to get a hold of. I will tell you have to
contact him privately.
Wade
--- 'Owens, James' wrote:
> So what do you think the chances are of us getting
> an official release of a
> 1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact?
>
> **wink**
>
> James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I guess there is a silver lining to
> > Edgar doctoring
> > concerts--it seems to coax out the good tapes of
> those shows
> > into the TD
> > collecting community!
> >
> > -Morgan
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Colleagues & Guests
It's the same as the last time I read it.
Having senior moments already?
:-)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> http://www.tangerinedream.de/strangers.html
>
> I just read the above link for the first time in along while,
> but it almost seemed I hadn't read it ever before...
>
> I wonder if it had been rewritten, or if my memory is just
> getting bad... haha
>
> Michael A. Jean
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 8:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: pop-ups
Maybe enough people will complain that the next release of Netscape of IE
will have a 'turn off pop-ups' option?
(We can hope anyway)
There are, however many current options for this. The one I'm using is
pop-up killer. Unfortunately, the pop-up title has to load first, and if it
matches one that you have previously killed, then it gets killed
automatically.
If it's a new one, you have to say 'Sic 'em, Killer'
It's a good program, but what I'd really like to see is a crack for Netscape
or IE that disables pop-up links altogether (the negative side would be that
automatic re-direction would be disabled as well, but I could live with
that...)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> You can't go to
> any public
> site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera,
> classmates.com, ads, stupid
> trivia questions, fake message alerts, etc. it's crazy
> anymore! These
> sites have every right to advertise how they want, but I just
> want us to
> have our own little ad-free place we can hang out.
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?
Personally I find the ones I've heard quite entertaining, but I rather doubt
that Steve or Edgar are actually interested in releasing any of the 78
concerts. Also, I imagine Edgar reserves the decisive power on releases of
TD material. If, for instance, Peter Baumann had some archive tapes from a
1974 TD concert or something, he probably could not legally release them
without Edgar's approval, even if he credited the other players, because of
the use of the TD name.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?
>
>
> Dear James,
>
> Why don't you ask Steve J. that question. He is not
> that hard to get a hold of. I will tell you have to
> contact him privately.
>
> Wade
> --- 'Owens, James' wrote:
> > So what do you think the chances are of us getting
> > an official release of a
> > 1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact?
> >
> > **wink**
> >
> > James
From:
Michael Fox
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: pop-ups
At 02:48 PM 04/04/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > You can't go to
> > any public
> > site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera,
Actually, there is a small program that is made for this very pop up. If I
can find the URL for it, I'll post it.
Mike
From:
GCall10692@a...
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of a 2 disc
Poland
my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1 has 2
songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane
18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it too is a
double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white cover...
hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?
-----Original Message-----
From: Owens, James
>So what do you think the chances are of us getting an official release of a
>1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact?
>**wink**
My dictionary doesn't have an entry for 'entact.' I'm sure you mean 'in tact.'
Cheers,
Bill
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 12:08
am
Subject: Poland 2CD
>GCall10692 said:
>Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of a 2 disc
>Poland
>my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1 has 2
>songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane
>18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it too is a
>double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white cover...
>hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary
What color is the printing on the CDs? Blue on silver or brown on silver?
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 12:11
am
Subject: Pop-Ups
> Michael Fox said:
> >From: Joe Shoults [jshoults@f...]
> > You can't go to
> > any public
> > site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera,
>
> Actually, there is a small program that is made for this very pop up. If I
> can find the URL for it, I'll post it.
>
> Mike
Opt-out of X-10 pop-ups for 30 days.
http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=30&PAGE=http://www.x10.com/x10ads1.htm
Opt-out of a dozen other pop-ups:
http://technoerotica.net/mylog/optouts.html
VERY useful. It's cut my pop-ups by 2/3rds.
-Morgan
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From:
'tomgents'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:02
am
Subject: Soundmill (Positive)
Well, I finally got round to ordering Soundmill from Sam Goodies, courtesy of a
gift card. After all the people telling me not to waste my money on it, I have
to say I was very impressed with it. Ok, so it may be 'tangentised', and it may
have the annoying noise, but I think its a great record, across between
Coefficient and 7 letters, a good mix in my opinion.
Is it just me, or does the main theme (starts about 3 mins in) remind me an
awful lot of James Newton Howards score for Flatliners.
Anyway, before you all rip me to shreds, wait until I take delivery of Inferno
in case I like that to. =)
Greetings to all,
Tom (Melrose) Out of lurk mode
From:
'tomgents'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: Re: green desert dates (was RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of...
To me, most of the synth sounds on the album sound very much like DX standars
synths used in the mid 80s. Listen to Signs Of Life, On Pink Floyds 'Momentary
Lapse of Reason' 1987 lp, and tell me thats not the same synth sounds.
By the way, does anybody really like Electronic Meditation so much that they
would want green desert to sound just like it?
Tom (Melrose)
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:36
am
Subject: Unheard TD
Hi Morgan,
nice start for another way to present all this info. You're welcome
to use my lists, remarks/corrections, and the info on the KA page,
but I'm not going to re-type it all bit by bit into your little
comment box ;-)
The underlying problem is a complex one, though. The success
of the Tangerine Tree project has clearly demonstrated that a
lot of fans are interested in 'best possible quality' concert
releases.
Why are they so hard to find ?
Because there are dozens of fans out there who'll happily twiddle
and fiddle with their tapes/CDRs in some sound cleanup software,
design a (sometimes) nice cover and shove it out to others.
On the other hand, there are only a few who take the trouble
to hunt for the best surviving tape.
Digital cleanup can only be the icing on the cake, the final
polishing of a gemstone. Too many out there try to filter
gold from shit, with predictable success.
In analog tape times, we survived quite well with a subjective
0-10 overall quality scale, and the running time as an indicator
of completeness. Some people added mono/stereo or generation
info. The former is useful, the latter, more often than not,
misleading.
What we really need is a concise way to identify the best
surviving analog source tape, and to preserve it in un-filtered,
digital form. And a 'code of honour' that everybody who takes
his wicked way turning one of them into a release, to clearly
state the source (FanVault #117, e.g.).
A thousand flowers will always blossom, as confirmed by the
requests for DIY versions of the Tangerine Tree sources, or
'further improved' versions based on the filtered disks (ack...).
But with a clear system, the 'quality concious, but consumer only'
fan can get himself a release he knows is based on the best
source material, polished and released by his 'favourite
remasterer'.
Then again, this would destroy another nice confusopoly ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
Eirikur Hallgrimsson
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser)
Mozilla, the more advanced version of the same code that is Netscape 6.x
has this option under the Privacy and Security. No hacks required. I
always recommend Mozilla (www.mozilla.org, free download) over other
browsers.
If you use a Free operating system, you have an even better option, Galeon,
a stripped-for-speed version of Mozilla.
Both of these have cool things like tabbed browsing (open new windows
BEHIND) and other great stuff and NO commercial nonsense at all.
You control your computer.
Eirikur
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser)
Mozilla isn't more advanced, it't the free open-sourced version of Netscape.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Eirikur Hallgrimsson'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser)
> Mozilla, the more advanced version of the same code that is Netscape 6.x
> has this option under the Privacy and Security. No hacks required. I
> always recommend Mozilla (www.mozilla.org, free download) over other
> browsers.
>
> If you use a Free operating system, you have an even better option,
Galeon,
> a stripped-for-speed version of Mozilla.
>
> Both of these have cool things like tabbed browsing (open new windows
> BEHIND) and other great stuff and NO commercial nonsense at all.
>
> You control your computer.
>
> Eirikur
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 12:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser)
arghh... people, open source development is my *job*. And just now
I could not distinguish my tadream mailbox from all the other mails
I'm supposed to read....
a.
>
> Mozilla isn't more advanced, it't the free open-sourced version of Netscape.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Eirikur Hallgrimsson'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser)
>
>
> > Mozilla, the more advanced version of the same code that is Netscape 6.x
> > has this option under the Privacy and Security. No hacks required. I
> > always recommend Mozilla (www.mozilla.org, free download) over other
> > browsers.
> >
> > If you use a Free operating system, you have an even better option,
> Galeon,
> > a stripped-for-speed version of Mozilla.
> >
> > Both of these have cool things like tabbed browsing (open new windows
> > BEHIND) and other great stuff and NO commercial nonsense at all.
> >
> > You control your computer.
> >
> > Eirikur
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: I stand corrected (was:[tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?)
Thanks for pointing that out. It's amazing how bad my spelling of
infrequently used words is becoming. Time to study up for the grammar
portion of the GRE.
> -----Original Message-----
> My dictionary doesn't have an entry for 'entact.' I'm sure
> you mean 'in tact.'
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 4:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
It should be a Teldec. Teldec manufacturered a single
disc version and a double one. Even though Telec is
one of the world's greatest c.d. manufactuer's it is
day and night compared to the remastered single disc
version. And this is the whole package and not the
edited on that Teldec put out on one disc.
Wade
--- Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >GCall10692 said:
> >Hi........... well it looks like there might be
> another version of a 2 disc
> >Poland
> >my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984
> ..........Disc1 has 2
> >songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent
> 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane
> >18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc
> new in 1984 it too is a
> >double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a
> blue and white cover...
> >hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later
> on .......Gary
>
>
> What color is the printing on the CDs? Blue on
> silver or brown on silver?
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 5:30
pm
Subject: OT: [tree] RE: FTP Access ? [delete if you are not interested in ftp access to tree shn files]
[delete this message if you are not interested in ftp access to tree shn
files]
Hi Phil-
No hassle at all! Yes, anyone can have access. We just want to make sure
we know who is accessing the server, which is graciously provided by Dale
Kay. Please don't share the address with anyone else.
You just need to contact me or Dale for the address, and I'm sending it to
you in a separate e-mail now, copying the list on this message
The file have been broken up into pieces for easier download. You will need
to download WinRAR to 'stitch' some of the SHN files back together into
complete SHN files. This is in the folder under the root directory called
'this program can be used to join the files'. Install it, run it, select
the FIRST section of each track (i.e. tadream1976-11-08d1t01.part01.rar) and
click the Wizard button in WinRAR to 'Unpack an archive' (doing this will
extract one track at a time). Tell it which folder to send the output to,
and it will extract all the files for that particular file as one complete
SHN file. Not all of the SHN files have been broken up as RAR files in this
manner. The download speed from this server is extremely fat. I downloaded
all of Volume 1 in just 90 minutes!
If you do not have highspeed access such as on a T1-3, DSL, cable, or even
ISDN, I guarantee that this will not work unless you use a download manager.
I'm not familiar with any of these except one called GetRight (do a
websearch for it). Download managers like this allow for a file to be cut
off in mid-download (like if your connection drops), then resume the
download once you have reestablished contact with the server. In essence,
it makes a non-resumable ftp server resumable because it does it on the
client end. GetRight has an FTP client built in, but you'll also like it
for normal http downloads!
After you have the files, you may want to note that there are a couple of
flaws in the Volume 6 Disk 2. There is gaps of silence at the end of track
2 and beginning of track 3, plus 2 gaps in the crowd noise after track 3
starts. For my redbooks, I chopped off the silences at the abutment and
smoothly mixed in crowd noise over one of the track 3 gaps so it sounds
continuous (I missed one gap though!)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil White [mailto:phil_white@b...]
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:14 PM
To: jshoults@f...
Subject: FTP Access ?
Hi Joe,
Can any member of the group get access to the SHN files via FTP ?
I would love to get hold of these files as I am still waaaaay down the list
of leaves waiting for discs..
Sorry for the hassle Phil ( UK )
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 7:36
pm
Subject: THE Canyon Dreams
Hi guys!
I've got a question about the vinyl release of Canyon Dreams called: 'The
Canyon Dreams'. The vinyl contains just seven tracks listed below:
Side One
1. Shadow Flyer 7:05
2. Canyon Carver 4:15
3. A Matter Of Time 8:42
Side Two
1. Water's Gift 5:21
2. Canyon Voices 4:23
3. Sudden Revelation 4:48
4. Native Discovery 5:13
The album was released in 1987 by Tangy Records Ltd. and Distributed in
Cyprus by Hymnbär Ltd., Limassol, Cyprus. The vinyl is blue!
The question is: does anybody know whether it is a legal release or just a
bootleg? What is the last track?
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:52
pm
Subject: TD nightlistening
Last days I'm having lots of wonderful time listening
to music in the afternoon. Sometimes it continues up
to
3 or 4 am... Now exploring the depths of Tournado CD,
it's 0:52 NP Waterbone. Just excellent track, BTW, and
very emotional. Must be a remake of Long Island
Sunset... 220 Volts starting !! ---
With best regards,
Art Of Vision
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From:
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] THE Canyon Dreams
>On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:36:28 +0200 Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
wrote:
>I've got a question about the vinyl release of Canyon Dreams called: 'The
Canyon Dreams'. The album was released in 1987 by Tangy Records Ltd. and
Distributed in
Cyprus by Hymnbär Ltd., Limassol, Cyprus. The vinyl is blue!
hmmmm... 'Tangy Records', Cyprus, blue vinyl.. Smells like a boot to me! My
copy of Voices in the Dunes doesn't list such a release.
I also recall Klaus B. reporting the appearance of a similar bootleg pressing
several years ago...
- jim
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the
conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came from is
named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested? Same
last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a relative.
Just scary.
Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11
minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture
room.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'RJF'
To:
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
>
> >I see your point. I agree with you. They are different.
> >What would you use the Z1 for then compared to the 5080?
>
> The Z1 is a poly synth and the XP is a do it all machine.
>
> >I am drawn toward
> >the 5080 do to its sampler and board expansion. I have not spent as much
> >time with the triton rack hence did not know it was a sampler at all. I
just
> >poke at the presets, sound like korg and moved on. I will go back and
play
> >with it a bit more now. The Z1 does not sample then?
>
> Fraid not.
>
> >You just got your karma huh? That is one heck of deal to get to know it.
I
> >would say it ranks up there with the Virus. I poked at it a bit too and
> >discover I would have to devote some time to it to get to know it. I am
> >still learning all the in's and out's of the ms-2000. So how do you feel
> >about it so far (karma)?
>
> It's a bit heavy going, time is needed on this thing.
> --
> Richard F
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] THE Canyon Dreams
It's a bootleg. The last track (Native Discovery) is not as long as listed,
but is actually just over 2 minutes. It is the music that plays during the
end credits of the video. All music is taken directly from the video (I'm
not sure if it is from VHS or Laserdisc).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:Jerry@t...]
>
> I've got a question about the vinyl release of Canyon Dreams
> called: 'The
> Canyon Dreams'. The vinyl contains just seven tracks listed below:
>
> Side One
> 1. Shadow Flyer 7:05
> 2. Canyon Carver 4:15
> 3. A Matter Of Time 8:42
>
> Side Two
> 1. Water's Gift 5:21
> 2. Canyon Voices 4:23
> 3. Sudden Revelation 4:48
> 4. Native Discovery 5:13
>
> The album was released in 1987 by Tangy Records Ltd. and
> Distributed in
> Cyprus by Hymnbär Ltd., Limassol, Cyprus. The vinyl is blue!
>
> The question is: does anybody know whether it is a legal
> release or just a
> bootleg? What is the last track?
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:52
pm
Subject: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access ?)
It's always nice to have fat bandwidth!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> The download speed from this server is extremely fat.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:18
pm
Subject: RE: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access ?)
haha- that happens when aI type too fats
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:52 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access ?)
>
>
> It's always nice to have fat bandwidth!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
>
> > The download speed from this server is extremely fat.
>
>
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [GERMANY] TD-scored Tatort running tomorrow
I've seen it for the 1st time now. I really enjoyed White Eagle.
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 08:20:21 +0000, Jens Kilian wrote:
> FYI: Friday, April 5th 2002, 23:15, the 'Tatort' episode 'Das Maedchen auf
> der Treppe' will be shown on ARD.
>
>
http://programm.das-erste.de/detail1.asp?id=X000115146&sdatlo=05.04.02&sender=1
>
> Have fun,
>
> Jens.
> --
> mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698)
> http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351
> PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish,
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 6:18
am
Subject: In case
Joe and others who might need to contact me.
I am going to have a problem with my Internet connection soon, due to
changes by the phone company so I may be dark soon.
Still mail me, I have ways to gather my mail once I get back to my day job.
Fingers crossed and this change from DSL to ATM will happen fast with not
too much lost in time. Note the shn files are on a different system so no
lost of traffic forseen. Get them out to your leaves! Maybe that was a tad
to strong... better use that magic word Please get them out to your leaves!
dale
From:
GCall10692@a...
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 6:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
Hi........... the printing is blue on silver .........hope it helps
Gary
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator for kay-net.com
>I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the
[snip]
>Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11
>minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture
>room.
What a lousy video. It's all 'We think it's great so you should, too' I
expected more of a demo of 'Here's what it can do and how you make it do it.'
More demos of more genres not testimonials is what I wanted.
Cheers,
Bill
np: Beyond the Barriers with Lunar Ladder on WMUH 91.7 FM
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 8:26
am
Subject: OT Stephen Kay
Stephen Kay is the guy who came up with the software that runs the Triton
engine inside the Karma. There was an interview with him in Keyboard I think
about a year ago. I think he worked on the concept for about seven years.
I think he's from your area.
In a message dated 4/6/2002 1:53:31 AM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:01:03 -0800
> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> Subject: Re: synths
>
> I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the
> conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came from is
> named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested? Same
> last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a relative.
> Just scary.
> Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11
> minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture
> room.
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 11:18
am
Subject: Re: THE Canyon Dreams
Hi,
indeed it's a bootleg. As far as I know it's taken from the
Laserdisc. 'Native Discovery' is the same as 'Purple Nightfall' on
the official CD. Some of the other tracks are slightly different than
on the official CD.
'The Canyon Dreams' was not featured in 'Voices In The Dunes' as the
bootleg was released _after_ the book. But (with kind support by
Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web
based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and CD bootlegs
(but no CD-R). Due to lack of time it will be at least some weeks
until the bootleg section will go online.
For official releases please check 'Voices In The Net' at
http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
Regards
Michael
--- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> It's a bootleg. The last track (Native Discovery) is not as long
as listed,
> but is actually just over 2 minutes. It is the music that plays
during the
> end credits of the video. All music is taken directly from the
video (I'm
> not sure if it is from VHS or Laserdisc).
>
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 11:28
am
Subject: Re: Poland 2CD
--- In tadream@y..., GCall10692@a... wrote:
> Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of
a 2 disc
> Poland
> my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1
has 2
> songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1
Barbakane
> 18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it
too is a
> double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white
cover...
> hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi,
in fact there are four well-known 2 CD releases of 'Poland', one from
Germany (Teldec) and three (slightly different) from USA
(Relativity). The one you mention is already featured in 'Voices In
The Net', though it is listed under 1988, not 1984. But, as you say,
you bought your copy back in 1984, this might be an error
in 'Voices'. I'll fix this.
Those four releases feature the complete music (as on the vinyl
releases), but the previously unknown version includes some duplicate
music while there is some other part missing... Thus I consider it a
pirate version...
You can check the currently known versions under 'Voices In The Net'
(http://www.voices-in-the-net.de), just to avoid confusion... ;-)
Regards
Michael
From:
RJF
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
Have to agree, this video has probably done more damage than good. You
have to play the Karma to appreciate it.
>What a lousy video. It's all 'We think it's great so you should, too' I
>expected more of a demo of 'Here's what it can do and how you make it do it.'
>More demos of more genres not testimonials is what I wanted.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Bill
--
Richard F
From:
atye@a...
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:41
pm
Subject: Poland official release
After all of the discussions back and forth, I finally couldn't stand
it any longer.......I went to the closet and dug out my vinyl version of
Poland and also my CD copy......For what it matters, here's what I have (with
track times)....
- 1986: Relativity 2LP [a]: 88561-8045-1; black labels, foc
Poland - 22:29
Tangent - 19:59
Barbakane - 18:00
Horizon - 21:07
- 1996: Sequel/Castle CD [c]: 1044-2
Poland - 22:26
Tangent - 19:55
Barbakane - 13:52
Horizon - 20:50
(((descriptions borrowed from Voices In The Dunes, track times are mine)))
I only have about 5 or 6 TD/EF vinyl albums that I got 'back in the day'. I
remember getting Poland when the local Record Bar chain was closing out all
vinyl. Got it for $1.00 unopened (but unfortunately drilled out).
Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last
night...and to think that I thought I was a nut...haha
Alex
(ATYE)
NP: what else?? Poland on CD
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland official release
In a message dated 4/6/2002 7:41:43 AM Central Standard Time, atye@a...
writes:
> Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last
*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat
site?
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chat
> > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last
>
>*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat
>site?
>Poly
I'd ike to knwo too if there're any scheduled chats, 'cos everytime I've
checked the chatroom, it has been full of emptiness... But perhaps that's
only because when it's day here, you guys in America are probably
sleeping... 8 to 12 hours of jetlag is enough to explain the thing.
John Vertical
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chat
He was talking about the #tadream IRC channel at kechara.sorcery.net, part
9000. I go there from time to time - the channel has been quite inactive the
last months, but it was a pleasant surprise to see it 'crowded' yesterday and
the other friday (or saturday?) last week. By 'crowded' I mean around 5 people
:)
When I connect and see people there, it's usually around midnight here...
that's 3 AM GMT. In USA it's around the same time, maybe GMT -4h or -5h (here
it's GMT -3).
GJ np. Solaris - Los Angeles 2026
p.s. the chat is usually very nice btw :) and they're not scheduled...
>> > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last
>>*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat
>>site?
>>Poly
>
>I'd ike to knwo too if there're any scheduled chats, 'cos everytime I've
>checked the chatroom, it has been full of emptiness... (...)
>John Vertical
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: Re: Poland 2CD
>but the previously unknown version includes some duplicate
>music while there is some other part missing... Thus I consider it a
>pirate version...
Hey, Michael,
if you start considering every legitimate release with a fuckup
on it as a 'pirate', then this section of the discography will
enjoy tremendous growth ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 8:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: THE Canyon Dreams
I acquired the vinyl just yesterday. Indeed it looks like a bootleg
release... I think it's a quite rare item.
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:Jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:18 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: THE Canyon Dreams
>
>
> Hi,
>
> indeed it's a bootleg. As far as I know it's taken from the
> Laserdisc. 'Native Discovery' is the same as 'Purple Nightfall' on
> the official CD. Some of the other tracks are slightly different than
> on the official CD.
>
> 'The Canyon Dreams' was not featured in 'Voices In The Dunes' as the
> bootleg was released _after_ the book. But (with kind support by
> Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web
> based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and CD bootlegs
> (but no CD-R). Due to lack of time it will be at least some weeks
> until the bootleg section will go online.
>
> For official releases please check 'Voices In The Net' at
> http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> > It's a bootleg. The last track (Native Discovery) is not as long
> as listed,
> > but is actually just over 2 minutes. It is the music that plays
> during the
> > end credits of the video. All music is taken directly from the
> video (I'm
> > not sure if it is from VHS or Laserdisc).
> >
>
>
>
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From:
'albenson'
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 10:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland official release
Well, I must admit got a big kick out of the 'Poland' discussion...
We had a lively discussion sometime back in the Goblin's Club
when one esteemed TD colleague posed a simple question, then
of course it got answered, but not quite 100% correct. Seeing the
flashing diehard light above then I chirped in to clarify. Naturally
another esteemed TD colleague questioned me, to which I had to
further explain the actual point I was attempting to make and so
on and so on (see the archives of late August 2001). ~ROFL~
So, just to confuse the issue a bit more ;-) Here is my TDC lists
of 'Poland' related items (sans cassette tapes--you don't want to
get into those *now* do you? And, omitting all the live concerts).
I only include 'Warsaw in the Sun' here as it's somewhat related.
***********************************************************
Poland CDs:
a) CD / JE Chip 22 (UK 1984) Single CD (omits the track 'Tangents'
and the tracks 'Barbakane' & 'Horizon' are shortened). Yellow tinged
front cover. VITD: Entry A (See also the compilations entry).
b) CD / JE Chip 22 (France 1984) Single CD (omits the track 'Tangents'
and the tracks 'Barbakane' & 'Horizon' are shortened). Yellow tinged
front cover. VITD: Entry F
c) CD / JE 8.26099 ZP (Germany 1984) As above in description of
(a & b) above except has a blue tinged front cover. VITD: Entry H
Note: This entry has a different back cover. Describes the usual amount
of information whereas the JE Chip 22 presents yet another rendition of
the 'Poland' picture which is also given in the booklet insert information
in (a & b) above.
d) CD / RR 88561-8045-2 (USA 1988) Double CD boxed set.
VITD: Entry M
e) CD / RR 88561-8045-2 (USA 1993) Double CD compact jewel box
case set (slimline). The first such TD release ever offered in this format.
(This duo CD post: VITD).
f) CD / Sequel America 1044-2 (USA 1996) Contains all four compositions
with the 'Barbakane' shortened to 13:49 cut short at the very end (total
disc
time: 77:06). Digitally remastered using the DQC system.
(This CD post VITD).
g) CD / Castle CMA CD 568 (USA 2000) As above in (f).
(This CD post VITD).
**********************************************************************
CD Compilations:
1) Tangerine Dream Collection (1995)
CD / JE K101 (UK 1995) The three disc set which includes:
'Poland, The Best of Tangerine Dream and Tyger' This is the
special gold CD edition of the Jive Electro releases with the
original album cover artwork. Comes in a nifty cardboard box
case (no booklet). (This CD set post VITD)
**********************************************************************
And, just for the record... ~lol~
Poland (12 inch):
h) R / JE HIP 22 (UK 1984) Manufactured and distributed by CBS
Records. Two record set / gatefold album. Record sleeves (dust
jackets) contain three black & white pictures, plus technical infor-
mation. JE world map labels / Twelve inch LP. (M)
VITD: Entry A (ii) a (x)
i) R / JE HIP X 22 (UK 1984) Manufactured and distributed by CBS
Records. Two 'picture disc' record set in double clear plastic sleeve
covers. Twelve inch LP (G-E) VITD: Entry A (ii) b
j) R / RR EMC 8045 (USA 1986) Two record set / gatefold album.
RR electrical storm labels / Twelve inch LP. (M) VITD: Entry K (i)
Warsaw in the Sun:
Part A (12 inch):
a) R / JE T 74 (USA 1984) Side A: 'Warsaw in the Sun' Parts 1 & 2
(4:47 & 3:00). Side B 'Polish Dance' (5:58) and 'Rare Bird' (3:56).
Artwork in the flexi-album cover is the same as the color poster and
back cover of 'Exit' (Electro 5E-557). Twelve inch LP 45 RPM.
(E-M) VITD: Entry 4 A (i)
b) R / JZ 6.20382 AE (Germany 1984) As in description of (a) above,
but this record has a stiff flexi-album cover and has printed on the front
(in a rectangular box) 'Maxi-Single 45 RPM.' The record is pressed in
clear red vinyl with the JE world map labels. (VG-E)
VITD: Entry 4 A (ii)
Warsaw in the Sun:
Part B (7 inch):
a) R / JZ 6.14 254 AC (Germany 1984) Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun'
(3:53), and Side B 'Polish Dance' (4:20) Picture sleeves. JE blue
labels. Pressed by TELDEC (E) VITD: Entry 10 A (i) b (x)
b) R / JE Jive 74 (UK 1984) Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:53), and
Side B 'Polish Dance' (4:20) Picture sleeves. JE world map labels.
Manufactured and distributed by CBS Records / non-gloss cover. (E)
VITD: Entry 10 A (ii)
c) R / JE P 74 (UK 1984) The special edition seven-inch 45 RPM release
of the picture disc shaped in the country of Poland. Contains on Side A
'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:54), and Side B 'Polish Dance' (5:57). Record
released in clear plastic sleeve / with gloss cover.
(VG) VITD: Entry 10 A (iii)
d) R / Tonpress S-575 (Poland 1985) Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:57),
and Side B 'Polish Dance' (5:38). Tonpress stamped pressed labels / non-
gloss cover. Licensed from Tadream Productions (West Berlin) (VG)
VITD: Entry 10 A (iv)
_______________________________________________________
Abbreviations used:
Record Companies:
JE = Jive Electro
JZ = Jive Zomba
RR = Relativity Records
Records (Condition):
G = Good
VG = Very Good
E = Excellent
M = Mint
R = Record
LP = Long Play
RPM = Revolutions Per Minute
**************************************************************
I *keep* the entries for 'Poland' & 'Warsaw in the Sun' separated, etc.
Then, of course, there is the Japan 1983 tour...:-) Simply marvelous!
Besides, I did get to construct my TD motto #4 as a result of that exer-
cise (they range from #1 to #19, and I compose them out of any specific
order). It goes something like this: TD motto #4:
'As TD diehard individuals we each know one hell of a lot--collectively
we know just about everything--TD wise!'
OK--that's it... Notwithstanding even I get confused sometimes too
(blue tinged, yellow tinged, compact, double box, slimline--sheesh!).
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
**********************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
PS: I have not personally timed all the records
above. Naturally, check VITD for all the rest!
_____________________________________________
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 1:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
I am so glad to hear that.
Do you have a KARMA?
I have a idea I have been working on for a bit with some others who have the
contacts I need to accomplish such a idea. I want to even tie that into a
training for MIDI and recording.
I too feel the same way but after all it was a hype opps. I ment a
advertisement tape.
I want to go a bit beyond the sales tape and make something a bit more
useful to learn from. I am not ready to poke the group here or anyone else
yet till I have a bit more organization tot his idea. I even need to send
out to potential markets a tickle to see if there exist a need that can be
filled.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bill Fox'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] synths
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Administrator for kay-net.com
>
> >I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the
> [snip]
> >Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11
> >minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture
> >room.
>
> What a lousy video. It's all 'We think it's great so you should, too' I
> expected more of a demo of 'Here's what it can do and how you make it do
it.'
> More demos of more genres not testimonials is what I wanted.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
> np: Beyond the Barriers with Lunar Ladder on WMUH 91.7 FM
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 2:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay
Yea I gather that and more off the Karma-Links.com site also karmalinks.com
of something similar to that. We might be related. If I still had as much
hair on the top of my head we might pass as brothers. Even his fingers on
the keyboard is the same style I use. His nose is also my nose. Just scary.
If we are not, no big deal just a coincidence.
I have to get my A5000 sampler first. Get to know it before I add anything
else. I got a note from cakewalk a few days ago about a upgrade. Then there
is the many main boards I have in boxes that were fine but taken from
systems I upgraded. I have plans for one to use only the sampler and lights.
Yea the list go on and on. I was even thinking I could link the KARMA to the
A5000 as well as into my MS2000 to produce some interesting sounds.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay
> Stephen Kay is the guy who came up with the software that runs the Triton
> engine inside the Karma. There was an interview with him in Keyboard I
think
> about a year ago. I think he worked on the concept for about seven years.
>
> I think he's from your area.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2002 1:53:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:01:03 -0800
> > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> > Subject: Re: synths
> >
> > I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the
> > conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came
from is
> > named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested?
Same
> > last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a
relative.
> > Just scary.
> > Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11
> > minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my
torture
> > room.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Are you on the tree yet? Go to
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 3:26
am
Subject: Weekly Chats
>From: Synthhtnys@a...
>Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:47 pm
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland official release
>
>ATye said:
> > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last
>
>*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat
>site?
>Poly
The Yahoo chat is problematic because of its poor java implementation.
Also, everyone has to dig up their login and password to get to it.
Several of us chat on an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server typically on
Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to
catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and
go, and when the American chatters come and go. Last night we had 6 people,
and we've had as many as 10 people before. The chat is very free-form and
we try to keep it friendly. The chat is now helmed by Flemming (AirWave),
although he is only in the chat at times reasonable to a European.
Getting into the chat is a bit complicated, but I have prepared a
downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away.
You can download this here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your
hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it up
and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should
bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can
to help you get into the chat.
-Morgan
P.S. There is a great java (Web) chat, but I cannot make it point to the
same chat server we have been using for 3 years, so it would be tough to
move now.
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 8:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
If you have not tried this chat, you should. It was great, worked fine and
very usefull.
Dale
> You can download this here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
>
> Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on
your
> hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
> you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it
up
> and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should
> bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can
> to help you get into the chat.
>
> -Morgan
>
> P.S. There is a great java (Web) chat, but I cannot make it point to the
> same chat server we have been using for 3 years, so it would be tough to
> move now.
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: 'Voices In The Net' updated
Hi,
only a short note to inform those interested: 'Voices In The Net' has
been updated today. Besides several minor additions and corrections,
all release details about Edgar's solo records have been added.
http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
BTW: Due to limited server space I have removed the covers of the
Tangerine Tree SHN edition. So those who have linked to that page
should remove their 'dead' links now (hi, Al!)...
Regards
Michael
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
>If you have not tried this chat, you should. It was great, worked fine and
>very usefull.
>
>Dale
>
> > You can download this here:
> > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
What about us Mac users?
John Vertical
_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
>What about us Mac users?
>
>John Vertical
There is a program called Ircle. Install it, then log on a Sorcerynet
server, join the #tadream channel and there you go.
From:
'albenson'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: 'Voices In The Net' updated
The webmaster of 'Voices In The Net' wrote:
> Hi,
>
> only a short note to inform those interested: 'Voices In The Net'
> has been updated today. Besides several minor additions and
> corrections, all release details about Edgar's solo records have
> been added.
Hip - Hip - Harrah!
> http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
>
> BTW: Due to limited server space I have removed the covers
> of the Tangerine Tree SHN edition. So those who have linked
> to that page should remove their 'dead' links now (hi, Al!)...
>
> Regards
> Michael
___________________________________________________
Micheal --
Thanks for the 'TD diehard' heads up! ;-)
And, to remind *me* to take that dead link out -- now!
Oh well, space is always the problem even with today's
Gigabytes which will someday soon also be obsolete as
well I suppose... ;-(
Besides, *keep* up the great work! Hope you enjoyed my
little 'Re: [tadream] Poland official release' post recently.
As, I'm sure that you, Peter, Rolf & Siggy just quietly smiled...
That TD diehard from Berzerkeley only ~seventeen~ entries
sans the cassette tapes? ~lol~
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
******************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
NP: It's a great Tadream Tree and a fabulous start...
Just take your pick of: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 or 8!
PS: Heiko *da* diehard T-tree man... I've got my TD
diehard fingers crossed... Let's hope we can solve our
communication snafu soon, or my diehard guestbook
'private entries' feature are reserved only for you my
good friend... :-)))
PPS: Jabberwock -- package being sent out
tomorrow -- work your TD diehard *magic!*
Everyone else still working on life and TD
backlog. Hopefully S-O-O-N now... :-)))
______________________________________________
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 8:45
pm
Subject: Tadream Chat
>John Vertical said:
>
>What about us Mac users?
Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here:
http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
Alas, I don't have a Mac here or I would prepare a connection script for
you. Until I can, the server you want to connect to is
irc.sorcery.net 9000
If you can bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type
these three exact instructions:
/nick tadreamfan2
/server irc.sorcery.net 9000
/join #tadream
You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing
/join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there
are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We
might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
Hope to see you in the chat!
-Morgan
From:
'rugratsfan02 ....'
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 10:53
pm
Subject: Looking for details on a live show
Hey all, wanted to post a quick note about a show I received the other day, and
wanted to find out if anyone had any information about this? ALL I have is it
dated 02/04/75, and that's it. NO songlist, setlist, song titles, venues, notta.
Anyone have a great link that I could simply type in the date and find
information about it? I know there are several I've used for live Floyd shows,
as well as some Marillion shows (although the venues are right, the setlists
are so screwed up it isn't funny, but I know all their songs so that's no big
deal)
thanks, anyone have anything, please e-mail me off the list. The quality is
absolutely awesome, BUT I'd like to know where the show was at, and what I'm
listening to.
thanks. peace.
dan
Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE IN 3D!!!
http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com
PRIVATE MESSAGE BOARD - LIVE CD Bootleg Trading!
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 2:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for details on a live show
From: 'rugratsfan02 ....'
> Hey all, wanted to post a quick note about a show I received the
> other day, and wanted to find out if anyone had any information
> about this? ALL I have is it dated 02/04/75, and that's it. NO
> songlist, setlist, song titles, venues, notta.
The venue was the Royal Albert Hall, London, and there are at least 3
bootlegs of this concert: If it's a 2 disc version with an announcers voice
at the start, you have 'Ruby in the Sky'. If it's 2 discs and no annoucer,
you have 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion'. If it's one disc, you have
'Phadream'.
These sites should also help:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
Maff
_______________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
www.eclipsecafe.com
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
In a message dated 4/7/02 1:56:55 PM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>What about us Mac users?
http://www.snak.com/
Although I haven't used either one in some time, I always found Snak much
better than ircle.
--Daniel
NP: King's X - Manic Moonlight
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 6:24
am
Subject: 02.04.75
>rugratsfan02 said:
>Hey all, wanted to post a quick note about a show I received the other
>day, and
>wanted to find out if anyone had any information about this? ALL I have is it
>dated 02/04/75, and that's it. NO songlist, setlist, song titles, venues,
>notta.
Assuming this is Tangerine Dream, this is the Royal Albert Hall show in
England on April 2nd, 1975.
There are several sources of this show, including the bootlegs Phaedream,
Coefficient of Aural Expansion, etc. All were taken off the radio or from a
mono tape from the studio.
If you like it, wait for a couple months as the best possible source (best
source I've ever heard!) is coming from Heiko's Tangerine Tree II. Stereo
FM Transcription master from the BBC studio.
-Morgan
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 6:51
am
Subject: THE Canyon Dreams
>I acquired the vinyl just yesterday. Indeed it looks like a bootleg
>release... I think it's a quite rare item.
Jerry,
I hate to burst the bubble, but there are so many of these (and they
were released just at a time when people abandoned vinyl for good)
that the bootlegger actually gave them away as surprise gifts with
other orders. And, ten years later, he still has plenty left ;-)
Same applies for 'Bicycle Race'.
BTW, for those of you who still collect vinyl, please have a look
at my list http://www.caby.de/Music/swaplist.txt
best regards,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 9:15
am
Subject: homepage update
Hi all,
I have updated the infos on my homepage, they may be useful
for some ongoing 'projects' ;-)
http://www.caby.de/Music
remcorr - lots of new infos about mis-labeled TD tapes and CDRs
swaplist - a lot of rare TD vinyl, CDs and 'paper goods' for swap
or sale against fair offers. Check out the
'other bands' section for more electronic music.
bootvupd - the latest updates from the TD bootleg front
mainlist - many errors corrected, a lot of Hawkwind&Co. deleted
newstuff - only a few additions, but many, many open fields
for playing time and quality filled. The next update
(next week ?) should also fill most of the gaps
in the TD section and include the T.Tree CDRs into
my quality rating system.
This is probably the last time that I'll keep my lists
so fragemented. Soon, I'll merge mainlist, newstuff and
videos into one, and then issue (quarterly ?) updates,
this should make life easier for my regular trade partners.
check'em out !
best regards,
klaus
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: Re: 02.04.75
regarding 'Coefficient...'
> If you like it, wait for a couple months as the best possible source (best
source I've ever heard!) is coming from Heiko's Tangerine Tree II. Stereo FM
Transcription master from the BBC studio.
> -Morgan
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHH! *BAM!!!*
*GJ starts gathering his brain fragments after an explosion of sudden total
happiness*
;)
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Weekly Chats
way cool. thanks, Morgan!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
.
> connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away.
>
> You can download this here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:32
pm
Subject: VitN boot update question
Hello Michael,
I was wondering if you will be including track titles and times? As you
probably know I've compiled quite a list of these, but they cover primarily
CD and CDR, with very little Vinyl info. However, with so much transfer
from LP to CDR going on, it might be nice to have this info so that people
can discover what the source of that unnamed track on their last trade disc
is.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:18 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: THE Canyon Dreams
>
> But (with kind support by
> Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web
> based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and
> CD bootlegs
> (but no CD-R). Due to lack of time it will be at least some weeks
> until the bootleg section will go online.
>
> For official releases please check 'Voices In The Net' at
> http://www.voices-in-the-net.de
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] VitN boot update question
OOOOOPSSS
Hit send too quick. Sorry.
From:
'maggior'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:45
pm
Subject: Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I
Hi,
I have searched all over the place but cannot find the artwork for
the first DreamWatcher's Tales set. The images from the list's
homepage (tadream.net) doesn't have the images for the jewel case
inserts.
If somebody could direct me to where I can find the printable jewel
case artwork for these CDs, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
Rich Maggio
BTW, these Tangerine Tree discs are AWESOME. Kudos to all of those
involved in making this project happen. I look forward to the 2nd
installment (I saw a mention of Tangerine Tree #2 in a recent
message - it made somebody's head explode as I recall ;-).
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: VitN boot update question
--- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> I was wondering if you will be including track titles and times?
As you
> probably know I've compiled quite a list of these, but they cover
primarily
> CD and CDR, with very little Vinyl info. However, with so much
transfer
> from LP to CDR going on, it might be nice to have this info so that
people
> can discover what the source of that unnamed track on their last
trade disc
> is.
>
> James
>
Hi James,
yes, VitN will include the same information for bootlegs as for
official releases, i.e. cover photos, track lists (incl. the official
name of the composition and the alleged fantasy title, if any) with
running times, and some background notes.
In fact, I'm already using your list (as provided on Klaus' web site)
as an additional (and very valuable) source for my 'investigations'.
Anyway, VitN will be limited to vinyl and CD bootlegs (with maybe the
exception of one or another collectible MC or CD-R release
like 'White Cloths' for example), because editing a catalog of all
boot CD-Rs in this extensive form would be a sisyphus work (as we say
in Germany). I think it's rather impossible to keep track of all
those releases on recordable media that have emerged from TD fans'
and collectors' vaults in the recent years...
On the other hand it is obvious that those 'official' bootlegs listed
in VitN in many cases are no longer the best sources for live
material, e.g. Tangerine Tree made Me-Rad obsolete, and who knows
what Tangerine Tree II will bring? ;-)
So the bootleg section of VitN will rather be a kind of 'historical'
overview about collectible items than a current list of available
music material.
Regards
Michael
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] VitN boot update question
it owuld also be neat to know what is on the tapes from the old tape trees,
and have that info in a permanent locatoin such as this.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> from LP to CDR going on, it might be nice to have this info
> so that people
> can discover what the source of that unnamed track on their
> last trade disc is.
>
> James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...]
> > But (with kind support by
> > Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web
> > based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and
> > CD bootlegs
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: VitN boot update question
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...]
> On the other hand it is obvious that those 'official' bootlegs listed
> in VitN in many cases are no longer the best sources for live
It would be nice to have them (the old boots) listed anyway, if only for
historical reference. Even though TT made Me-Rad obsolete, there are plenty
of people out there with it I would imagine.
> material, e.g. Tangerine Tree made Me-Rad obsolete, and who knows
> what Tangerine Tree II will bring? ;-)
;-) good things. we'll keep you informed!
From:
'convention24'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 7:05
pm
Subject: Off Topic (Acoustic LSD).
Hello
Yesterday i went to a car boot sale about 15 mile form where i
live,while scouring through the many stalls of the usual array of
gear,i approached a guy whom had a small box of cds on his
table,while scurrying through this box i came across a find that had
my heart racing,i looked at the spaced out cover and saw Tangerine
dream (Acoustic LSD) 'The emerald beyond' not a copy but an original
boot cat no CA 26893,i had a copy on CDR but not the original,trying
not to look to excited i asked the guy HOW MUCH,he said give us a
pound mate,i was having an orgasm on the spot.The CD is in ex
condition without a mark on it and with only 500 worldwide i was
tremendously chuffed to come across this item,some of Edgars wildest
guitar riffs on this beauty,the CD states Live in Seattle,but im sure
its Detroit(the heavy metal city) of the same year 1977,so next time
youre out there in the car boot sale chaps,keep your eyes peeled for
the unexpected.
Best regards Colin South Wales UK.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic (Acoustic LSD).
I always do. I know that if I find a copy of the legendary 'The Keep' LP
that I'll be able to sell it to Steve Feldman for his life savings and wages
for the next 40 years or so. ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...]
...
> youre out there in the car boot sale chaps,keep your eyes peeled for
> the unexpected.
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 7:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I
the only artwork I had is on the tadream.net site at the Dreamwatchers Tales
I page:
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbackcopier.jpg 260kb
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbak-sm.jpg 12k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/cover1-sm.jpg 35k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/
if anyone has other, please let me know and I'll add it to the page.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: maggior [mailto:maggior@m...]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have searched all over the place but cannot find the artwork for
> the first DreamWatcher's Tales set. The images from the list's
> homepage (tadream.net) doesn't have the images for the jewel case
> inserts.
>
> If somebody could direct me to where I can find the printable jewel
> case artwork for these CDs, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks!
> Rich Maggio
>
> BTW, these Tangerine Tree discs are AWESOME. Kudos to all of those
> involved in making this project happen. I look forward to the 2nd
> installment (I saw a mention of Tangerine Tree #2 in a recent
> message - it made somebody's head explode as I recall ;-).
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 8:01
pm
Subject: FW: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I
oops! I wasn't done with that one!
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:59 PM
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I
the only artwork I had is on the tadream.net site at the Dreamwatchers Tales
I page:
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbackcopier.jpg 260kb
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbak-sm.jpg 12k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/cover1-sm.jpg 35k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/cover01copier.jpg 759k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covercopier.jpg 395k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/preview.jpg 450k
http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/serifcopier.jpg 193k
if anyone has other, please let me know and I'll add it to the page.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: maggior [mailto:maggior@m...]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have searched all over the place but cannot find the artwork for
> the first DreamWatcher's Tales set. The images from the list's
> homepage (tadream.net) doesn't have the images for the jewel case
> inserts.
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 11:38
pm
Subject: update www.tadream.de
this info was added today April 8th...on www.tadream.de
--TD perform 'Inferno' in Berlin!
On June 15th, Tangerine Dream will perform 'Inferno', the first part of
their trilogy based on Dante Alighieri's 'La Divina Commedia', in another
scenic location - the 'Museumsinsel' (museum island) in Berlin's old city
center. The stage will be set over the magnificent backdrop of the old
National Gallery, right in the middle of a site that is considered one of
the architectural highlights of Germany's capital. Combined with an
extravagant set design and dazzling lights and visuals, this concert will
most likely be one of the most spectacular open-air-events of the year and a
once-in-lifetime experience.
Share the magic and join the band in one of the most incredible musical
journeys.
Tickets can be ordered at: www.ticketonline.de.
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 4:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay
My wife did a bit of research today and found out Stephen Kay's dad had his
name changed so Kay isn't the real last name. Still the jury is out but the
coincidence is just that. Just a likeness and some common ground in music.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:26 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay
> Stephen Kay is the guy who came up with the software that runs the Triton
> engine inside the Karma. There was an interview with him in Keyboard I
think
> about a year ago. I think he worked on the concept for about seven years.
>
> I think he's from your area.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2002 1:53:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:01:03 -0800
> > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> > Subject: Re: synths
> >
> > I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the
> > conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came
from is
> > named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested?
Same
> > last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a
relative.
> > Just scary.
> > Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11
> > minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my
torture
> > room.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 5:55
am
Subject: Offtopic: Molasar's Acid Flashback
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:46:25 -0400 Joe Shoults
writes:
>I always do. I know that if I find a copy of the legendary
>'The Keep' LP that I'll be able to sell it to Steve Feldman
>for his life savings and wages for the next 40 years or so.
>;-)
Well, hardy har har. Considering that the TDI KEEP CDs
are going for $400+ a whack these days, and that the Blue
Moon discs even get up to the $200 mark sometimes, I shudder
to think what the LP would go for. X-0
Steven sometimes, Stephanie sometimes -- always Me
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 7:45
am
Subject: Test
Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again.
From:
'Grant M Somerville'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Test
Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; )
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM
Subject: [tadream] Test
> Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again.
>
>
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Re: Test
Well not exactly.
One word is not coming through...
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
--- In tadream@y..., 'Grant M Somerville'
wrote:
> Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Test
>
>
> > Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> >
> >
From:
'albenson'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 10:06
am
Subject: Re: Test
Marcel made the acute TD diehard observation:
> Well not exactly.
> One word is not coming through...
Oh, I *know* that word...
[#*!'#°$%&!!]
Heiko uses it *all* the time! ;-)
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
*******************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
______________________________________________________
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Grant M Somerville'
> wrote:
>> Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; )
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM
>>> Subject: [tadream] Test
>>>
>>>
>>> Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again.
From:
'gmroger'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 2:01
pm
Subject: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2?
Just received the discs in the post today (thank you!).
Does anyone know where I can get hold of the artwork for the sleeve,
liner notes, discs, etc? Was any produced?
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'gmroger'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 2:02
pm
Subject: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2?
Just received the discs in the post today (thank you!).
Does anyone know where I can get hold of the artwork for the sleeve,
liner notes, discs, etc? Was any produced?
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test
I think I see a typo.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'albenson'
To: 'Tadream'
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:06 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Test
>
> Marcel made the acute TD diehard observation:
>
> > Well not exactly.
> > One word is not coming through...
>
> Oh, I *know* that word...
> [#*!'#°$%&!!]
> Heiko uses it *all* the time! ;-)
>
> Best Always,
> -- Al
> Berkeley, CA / USA
> *******************
>
> My TD personal homepage:
> http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
> ______________________________________________________
> > Marcel
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> > mengels@w...
> >
> > --- In tadream@y..., 'Grant M Somerville'
> > wrote:
> >> Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; )
> >>
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM
> >>> Subject: [tadream] Test
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
From:
'maggior'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: Re: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2?
Roger,
You can find them here...
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/dwt/index.htm
I just printed them out for myself last night. The artwork is really
good.
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@y..., 'gmroger' wrote:
> Just received the discs in the post today (thank you!).
>
> Does anyone know where I can get hold of the artwork for the
sleeve,
> liner notes, discs, etc? Was any produced?
>
> Regards
> Roger Hartopp
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 8:36
pm
Subject: 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik
31.01.1980 Palast der Republik...
the mythical Afternoon show?
Stay tuned. What's on White Cloths is mislabled. That's actually the 2nd
set of the evening show.
-Morgan
n.p. 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik Afternoon Show [41:02]
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik
You're essentially correct, Morgan, except that your statement should read
that what's on White Cloths (part III) is what was OFFICIALLY RELEASED as
the 2nd set of the evening show. At least on my copy of White Cloths, what
is labeled as 'Afternoon Show' (White Cloths part III) is identical to
Quichotte I and II (Pergammon), with the split between tracks edited out.
Both sets of the 'Evening Show' are present on the boot as well, labeled as
'Part I' and 'Part II', and also the encore, labeled as 'Part IV'. Part I
is totally unreleased (officially) but the first half of Part II is pretty
much the same as Quichotte I. The second half begins and ends the same as
Quichotte II, but the main body of this section is totally different than
what was released as Quichotte II. (I personally prefer the
Quichotte/Pergammon version - with the stunning guitar and synth melody over
that persistant sequencer - and so did Edgar, evidently...)
A slightly more believable (but probably still fake) version of the
'afternoon show' exists as 'Bergama' (I think that's the spelling). It, at
least sounds like parts of the actual live show (or at least what was
broadcast on the radio as a live show), but it seems to be spliced together
in pieces, and from what I can tell is just the same musically as parts of
the evening show as presented on White Cloths. While I believe it likely
that an afternoon show in 1980 would be very similar to the evening show the
same day, it's unlikely they would be nearly identical. Take Warsaw '83 for
an example of this, where reasonable boots of both shows exist, and they are
the same playlist, but there are some definite differences in solos and
such.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:37 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik
>
>
> 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik...
>
> the mythical Afternoon show?
>
> Stay tuned. What's on White Cloths is mislabled. That's
> actually the 2nd
> set of the evening show.
>
> -Morgan
>
> n.p. 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik Afternoon Show [41:02]
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 10:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik
From: 'Owens, James'
> You're essentially correct, Morgan, except that your statement should read
> that what's on White Cloths (part III) is what was OFFICIALLY RELEASED as
> the 2nd set of the evening show. At least on my copy of White Cloths,
what
> is labeled as 'Afternoon Show' (White Cloths part III) is identical to
> Quichotte I and II (Pergammon), with the split between tracks edited out.
I don't know too much about White Cloths so this may be old news, but isn't
part 3 just a copy of the original Quichotte LP release, with the two parts
edited together? I have always assumed that whoever compiled and released
White Cloths included Quichotte because it didn't get an official worldwide
release (as Pergamon) until 1986, and until that time was only available in
East Germany.
Maff
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 10:52
pm
Subject: Eating my hat
Anyone have any salt or other condiments to go with my hat?
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 11:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat
I take it then, you are providing din din in chat tonight?
dale
;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: [tadream] Eating my hat
> Anyone have any salt or other condiments to go with my hat?
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:23
am
Subject: Eating my hat
>From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
>Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 11:36 pm
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat
>
>I take it then, you are providing din din in chat tonight?
>
>dale
>;-)
I still have stuff to share. Just not what I have been tricked into
thinking I had. It's a conspiracy I say!
-Morgan
P.S. Confirm everything 3 times. Then just for good measure, confirm
another 3 times.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat
Is there a difference?
Like if I tangatize the hat a bit, can we still eat it or will it be more?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:23 PM
Subject: [tadream] Eating my hat
>
> >From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> >Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 11:36 pm
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat
> >
> >I take it then, you are providing din din in chat tonight?
> >
> >dale
> >;-)
>
> I still have stuff to share. Just not what I have been tricked into
> thinking I had. It's a conspiracy I say!
>
> -Morgan
>
> P.S. Confirm everything 3 times. Then just for good measure, confirm
> another 3 times.
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From:
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: 2 items on auction
Hi all,
I have two interesting items on ebay :
Christopher Franke / Skinny Dippers - Just another day in L.A.
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=856055505&r=0&t=0&showTutorial\
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Sampler CD: Galaxy Vol. 1 with Tangerine Dream Track (oop)
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=0&ed=1018618758&indexURL=0&rd=1
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
see us in Berlin for another Inferno Concert
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From:
'albenson'
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:14
pm
Subject: Subject: RE: 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik
James makes a very interesting diehard point
when he wrote the following comments:
> A slightly more believable (but probably still fake) version
> of the 'afternoon show' exists as 'Bergama' (I think that's the
> spelling).
Yes, it is! It even confuses *me* sometimes... ;-)
However, from the standpoint that there are more than one of
them needs some further explanation. That is the point which
I shall address. One is called 'Bergama' and the other is called
'Bergamo.' Note the difference -- one ends in an 'a' and the
other ends with an 'o.'
> It, at least sounds like parts of the actual live show (or at least
> what was broadcast on the radio as a live show), but it seems
> to be spliced together in pieces, and from what I can tell is just
> the same musically as parts of the evening show as presented
> on White Cloths. While I believe it likely that an afternoon
> show in 1980 would be very similar to the evening show the
> same day, it's unlikely they would be nearly identical. Take
> Warsaw '83 for an example of this, where reasonable boots
> of both shows exist, and they are the same playlist, but there
> are some definite differences in solos and such.
___________________________________________________
___________________________________________________
Here now are more diehard details on the two which have titles
of 'Bergama' and 'Bergamo', and also the one which was never
titled (three of 01.31.80 were actually made in total).
A) 'Bergama' Live Jan. 31, '80 @ PDR [Afternoon]
Track 1) 'Dionysus' (29m), tracks 1-4
Track 2) 'Trajan' (41m30s), tracks 5-14
On the short front cover also:
Release ver. 1.1, October 1996.
Source: FM radio, 3rd or 4th cassette.
B) 'Bergamo' Live- Jan.31 1980 @ PDR eve. show
FM radio broadcast
Track 1) 'Cosme' (37m26s), tracks 1-8
Track 2) 'Demeter' (22m39s), tracks 9-11
Track 3) 'Fav. part fr. 'Cosmo & Demeter' (10m30s)
(Originally intended for jukebox's random p.b.). track 12
On the full front cover also:
Release ver. 2.0, Spring '97 experimental release
Ver. 2 contains: Excessive bass reduction.
Source: 3rd gen(?) analogue tape > this cdr.
Re-Mastered on 2/22/97 by F.M.E.
Indexing: High (little random pb aware); For Internal TD fans only.
The third CD referred to (not titled per say & no cover artwork) is:
C) Jan. 31, '80 @ PDR evening show.
Track 1) 37:27
Track 2) 22:40
Track 3) 10:37
All untitled, btw. Release date: Oct. 10, 1995.
The side liner notes (on the jewel box) are as follows:
Left side front: 0046 TDfm-at Jan. 31, 80 @ PDR evening show Ver. 1.501
Right side front: Direct fr. Chris Horn at dub; CDR's by the Fishy Mentat
Records.
________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________
Notes: I tried to be precise with the actual typing just as it occurred
on the original artwork (or to be precise the colored text), and the
jewel box ends (left and right). Hence, you don't get Al (the TD's pal)
usual precision of which I'm seemingly capable of doing sometimes... :-)
The evening show (Direct fr. Chris Horn from dub) was supplied to
Spect by Bob and myself... The gen number of the tape source (CH)
is truly unknown. All that I do know is that it was one the best till
'White Clothes' rolled into TD diehard Berzerkeley town... ~lol~
At some point, I plan to give all the juicy details on my TD website
(in the 'Master *Analogue* Section'), and include scans of all the
artwork as well and the jewel case left & right interior notes. You
can also find a section titled: 'Addendum A (Special CDRs).' Here
is where I give an accounting of all the special fan CDs that were
produced by Spect (I've mentioned this once before in my post re:
'Danger Live'). I've also just recently added a 'Special TD Links'
section which includes the TD websites that specialize in info about
the ~live~ concerts (Yep, James your website: 'TD Bootleg Track
Listings' is there too! ;-)
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/analogue.html
And, while I'm here would like to plug two things: One is the web-
site 'The Unheard Tangerine Dream Discography' and it's picking up
full diehard steam with Heiko (Heerssen), Maff and myself all aboard
as well as a few other TD diehards. Morgan set it all up and he did a
wonderful job of it. Several interesting threads of discussion to choose
from and one heck of a complete lists of TD ~live~ concerts dates &
shows. Check it out!
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
Lastly, the mIRC (referred too in several Tadream posts recently) is
a neat interface where TD diehards and fans from all over the world
can join in the fun... I'll try to be there this coming Friday & Saturday
for a brief spell as well. That's a TD diehard promise! As, they are
always the very best kind... :-)
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
*******************
My TD personal homepage:
http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html
PS: Morgan -- OK you can take off the *hat* now! :-)
PPS: Heiko -- Welcome back!
___________________________________________________________
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Poland 2CD
Can you tell me more about the POLAND Teldec CD release?
I heard that this was a rumour and if it is available then I can make a very
generous offer for it.
Can anyone on this list supply this CD? I have rare items for trade at
http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm
BTW, I'm back in town from the FANTASTIC LIQUID SOUND music festival in Bad
Sulza Germany and now I'm catching up on the e-mails and preparing for the
Ricochet Gathering at Okefenokee Swamp starting April 19th!
I have received a few more requests for reservations and I'll process those
tonight and it looks like we will be completely booked.
Thanks,
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: michael_berling
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Poland 2CD
> --- In tadream@y..., GCall10692@a... wrote:
> > Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of
> a 2 disc
> > Poland
> > my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1
> has 2
> > songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1
> Barbakane
> > 18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it
> too is a
> > double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white
> cover...
> > hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Hi,
>
> in fact there are four well-known 2 CD releases of 'Poland', one from
> Germany (Teldec) and three (slightly different) from USA
> (Relativity). The one you mention is already featured in 'Voices In
> The Net', though it is listed under 1988, not 1984. But, as you say,
> you bought your copy back in 1984, this might be an error
> in 'Voices'. I'll fix this.
>
> Those four releases feature the complete music (as on the vinyl
> releases), but the previously unknown version includes some duplicate
> music while there is some other part missing... Thus I consider it a
> pirate version...
>
> You can check the currently known versions under 'Voices In The Net'
> (http://www.voices-in-the-net.de), just to avoid confusion... ;-)
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:01
pm
Subject: OT: Pop-ups killed FOREVER
Hi folks, this sounds like an ad, but I just have to share this with you:
I think I've found the ultimate pop-up killer, and it's freeware! I was just
delighted when I used it; it's called Stop the Pop. It opens a DOS window,
which you can minimize. It will always close a new window when it's opened,
simply not allowing new windows; even if you click 'open in a new window'.
Now, if you do want that, you can simply press SHIFT or CTRL while clicking
a link or using 'open in a new window'. The DOS window keeps printing the
status, like 'CTRL or SHIFT pressed. Now allowing 5 windows'; that means,
the program stops functioning while you press CTRL or SHIFT.
It's great!
Go to www.bysoft.se/sureshot/stopthepop to download it. it's only some 200
kbytes and you only have to unzip and run the executable file.
regards,
Gustavo Jobim np. Shibolet (Audion, Synergy)
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:59
pm
Subject: Another Pop-up Stopper
Thanks Gustavo for the pop-up stopping program.
A slightly different program, which runs as a system tray icon, works the
same way, with Ctrl and Shift to bypass the window stopping. But you can
right-click on 'Open Link in New Window' without having to press Ctrl or
Shift. That's an important difference to me.
http://www.panicware.com/ 'Pop-up Stopper'
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:13
am
Subject: What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980!
What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980!
#1 Don't assume you have something new until you have repeatedly compared
it to Lifted Curtain/White Cloths and Pergamon!!
#2 Remember, Pergamon starts with a piano solo, but soon deviates from how
the 2nd set of the evening concert actually went. It's a studio
reperformance, plain and simple.
How can you tell Pergamon and the actual 2nd set apart if you are stranded
on an island and only have the two?
Well, the track time for the 2nd set (correct speed- Lifted Curtain) is
45:30. The track time for Pergamon is 45:54. But that sounds like cheating. :)
Ok, audio cues...
Johannes' finger slips on the piano solo in these places:
2:42 white cloths track 4
2:51 lifted curtain evening set 2
0:05 41 minute excerpt*
On Pergamon, bells are added to the piano solo from 2:17-3:23.
Pergamon is a reperformance of most of the 2nd set of the evening concert
with numerous differences.
Edgar's guitar playing lasts from 30:38 to 37:15 on the actual 2nd set
(Lifted Curtain** timing) and much more 77ish.
Edgar's guitar playing lasts from 30:52 to 39:24 on Pergamon and is much
more subdued.
*The 41 minute excerpt mentioned above was on a CD I got recently. If I
didn't know any better, I'd say the it could be an audience recording (the
sound qualities of the guitar leads me to believe this, it is incredibly
forward in the mix). Although I have never seen anyone claim to have an
audience tape, so it is probably a botched remastering of an 8th generation
tape.
And for anyone wondering what White Cloths and Lifted Curtain are, and how
they relate to Staatsgrenze West, see my entry which I have made for this:
********************************************************************************\
*
31.01.1980 Berlin Palast der Republik 'Lifted Curtain'
---------
Live at Berlin Palast der Republik
FM Recording of 8PM Evening Concert
Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling
01 - Radio Intro 4'02
02 - Set 1 36'39
03 - Set 2 45'30
04 - Encore 13'12
Many tapes have been passed around of the 01.31.1980 Palast der Republik
show, an incredible event which saw the introduction of Johannes
Schmoelling as TD once again became a trio. And now, the quest for the best
possible recording of this evening show is over.
'Lifted Curtain' replaces all prior versions of the evening show of this
concert. This includes Staatsgrenze West, White Cloths, as well as all
appearances of the encore for this show (the turbo version on Real Dream
Encores and the one on Sea of Dreams).
This is the entire evening show, all at correct speed and incredible
quality, even surpassing White Cloths. Quality and speed are also perfect
on the encore.
Important Note:
The artwork on the back of 'White Cloths' erroneously states that track 3
[45:54] is from a 4PM Afternoon show that day. This is in fact, a dub of
the entire Pergamon release, which is a studio creation. Thus far, no
recording of the Afternoon show (many have said there WAS no Afternoon
show) has surfaced in the community at large. Until I hear something which
differs, musically, from what I've heard so far, I shall not make the same
mistake any time soon. :)
The value of the White Cloths cassettes (besides the cool box it came in),
is the 30 minute interview (in German) with the band after(?) the concert.
********************************************************************************\
*
-Morgan 'Hoping to gain some reputation back as junior identifier of TD
concert differences'
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:02
pm
Subject: [tree] branch relief
I have a branch ready to take on some new descendants in an effort to speed
up distribution of the tree. If you are chomping at the bit for your disks,
and are willing and in a position to cancel your current trade in order to
get the disks more quickly, let me know. I'll reassign you on a first-come,
first-served basis, with preference to BRANCHES first.
* Both formats - Redbook and SHN - are available.
* Branch prefers USA trades only, please.
* B&P or 1:1 trades are OK.
Thanks,
Joe
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:25
pm
Subject: Poland-2CD
I am very sorry to keep rambling on,but this surely must be amongst
their GREATEST of all time! A freezing night at an ice stadium in
Warsaw,Only the Wonderful Tangerine Dream could do it.Tangerine Dream,
Probably the GREATEST of all time.
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:30
pm
Subject: Darwin's Motel
Hi All!
I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's Club (A great cd
by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel.
Thanks!
Rick
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
convention24 wrote:
>
> I am very sorry to keep rambling on,but this surely must be amongst
> their GREATEST of all time! A freezing night at an ice stadium in
> Warsaw,Only the Wonderful Tangerine Dream could do it.Tangerine Dream,
> Probably the GREATEST of all time.
Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, and
Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. But I guess
all those claims may not be lies because those may have been the conditions
where TD made the recording because according to people who were there and who
have boots, what you hear on 'Poland' and what was performed in the Torwar Ice
Stadium were two different things.
Ciao -- Mark
--
See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/
Last updated on: 6 April 2002
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
yeah. 'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rbrown4856@a... [mailto:rbrown4856@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:31 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>
>
> Hi All!
>
> I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's
> Club (A great cd
> by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel.
>
> Thanks!
> Rick
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 10:31
pm
Subject: Poland 2CD
The Poland 2CD was probably the closest TD ever got to releasing actual
concert music without touchups until Valentine Wheels.
I would imagine that some decisions were made about reperforming the first
part of Poland to get it to fit on vinyl.
The Logos Coda ending was probably deleted since we'd already heard it.
The 2 other encores we'd heard.
Rarebird was shortened, again probably to fit on a 24 minute vinyl side.
And the 6 minutes of Sphinx Lightning and Kiew Mission words being spoken
aloud were replaced with a studio creation, Barbakane part 1. I am still
boggled as to why they did not release the original performance of Warsaw
in the Sun, which I lovingly call Warsaw in the Snow due to its mellower
sound and less 'army march' composition.
I don't feel bad about playing the Poland 80 min CD in my car instead of
the actual dub of the concert because the differences are not massive. One
of these days, I might get around to replacing the Warsaw in the Sun
segment on my 80 min version. :)
-Morgan
P.S. Anyone who's been hoping for Definitive Dominion, I've put the project
on hold until I can investigate the possibility of a better source of some
of the music. Might bring a few of what I have so far to Okefenokee though...
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where present saw was
something totally different from the view on stage. Being both on and off
the stage myself, I could see if this happen if certain conditions existed.
dale
;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
> convention24 wrote:
> >
> > I am very sorry to keep rambling on,but this surely must be amongst
> > their GREATEST of all time! A freezing night at an ice stadium in
> > Warsaw,Only the Wonderful Tangerine Dream could do it.Tangerine Dream,
> > Probably the GREATEST of all time.
>
> Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris,
and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. But
I guess all those claims may not be lies because those may have been the
conditions where TD made the recording because according to people who were
there and who have boots, what you hear on 'Poland' and what was performed
in the Torwar Ice Stadium were two different things.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
> --
> See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/
> Last updated on: 6 April 2002
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:29
am
Subject: Poland
Every time I mention Poland, some lucky duck pops up and gives us the juicy
details of how the concert went.
I guess Heiko will have to release the entire evening show, plus 30 minutes
of the afternoon show including the power outage on the tree. :)
-Morgan
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD
On 11 Apr 2002 at 17:31, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> am still boggled as to why they did not release the original
> performance of Warsaw in the Sun, which I lovingly call Warsaw in the
> Snow due to its mellower sound and less 'army march' composition.
Sounds wonderful. Has this ever made it onto any compliations?
Dennis
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:22
am
Subject: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I believe from a
1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November although the CD states
that it took place in Detroit. Did they even go to Detroit that year? It
sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the recorded sound
is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a better recording
available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project?
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
> I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I believe from a
> 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November although the CD states
> that it took place in Detroit.
Preston 5th November 1980 is indeed the correct date :-)
> Did they even go to Detroit that year?
No, only to San Francisco and Santa Monica.
> It sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the recorded
> sound
> is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a better recording
> available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project?
There is a better recording available from that tour, however for the next
'Tree' CDRs I can choose between the already remastered audience recordings
Paris Bataclan 02 Feb. 1981 (1st gen.), and Berlin ICC 26 Jan. 1981 (unknown
gen, but must be pretty close to the master tape)
As most of you will know the music which was played throughout the
January/February 1981 European tour slightly differed from that of the
October/November 1980 tour (for exhaustive tracklist information go to
Zebbyworld's 'The Tangerine Dream Concert Tracklist 1980-2001' which you can
find at: 'http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/TDmother.html' )
I guess that in about 2-3 weeks from now I will have the definite versions of
the concerts which will make up the next batch (Volumes 9-15), and once everyone
has received their first 10 CDRs I'll wait for the 'go and burn!' sign :-) If
I'm not mistaken the title will then change from 'The Tangerine Tree' to
'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?)
Regards
Heiko
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:06
pm
Subject: Euro DVDs
I noticed a few DVDs worth mentioning:
- Legend - French issue Region 2 with Goldsmith strk.
- Le Blob - French issue Region 2 with M. Hoenig strk.
- The Calling - Germany issue Region 2 with C. Franke strk.
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:13
pm
Subject: Star Sounds Orchestra at Ricochet Gathering (Okefenokee 2002)
Star Sounds Orchestra will be performing at the Okefenokee Gathering
starting next week. SSO is Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar. Steve performed
on the Tangerine Dream album 'Alpha Centauri' and guest appeared on 'Zeit'.
Free System Projekt had to back out in the last minute this year (Marcel
will be missed).
We are Sold Out, but anyone still wishing to join us must contact me ASAP.
VicRek
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:15
pm
Subject: OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' CDRs
In a tree trade, I got some Audio CDRs from my leaf. i've never touched one
of these that I know of and I didn't know the difference, so I looked it up.
I don't want to spark a protracted techiethread, and this is not an
invitation for a reply. But since so many people are sending CDRs to each
other right now, some of you may be interested in this info. I learned a
lot.
Making your Own CD-R's: A Primer
http://www.digitalexperience.com/cdrprimer.html
Audio CD FAQ
http://www.cdrinfo.com/audiocd/audio_faq.shtml
Andy McFadden's CD-Recordable FAQ
http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/cdrfaq.htm
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' CDRs
>
> I don't want to spark a protracted techiethread, and this is not an
> invitation for a reply.
Guess my mailbox will collapse as soon as I start to open it on next Monday
~lol~
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:45
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' CDRs
;-P
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:14 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular'
> CDRs
>
>
> >
> > I don't want to spark a protracted techiethread, and this is not an
> > invitation for a reply.
>
> Guess my mailbox will collapse as soon as I start to open it
> on next Monday
> ~lol~
>
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
It turns out that there was no concert in Detroit in 1980, though TD did get
at least 2 shows in on the US West Coast during November 1980. One of those
is recorded in its entirety (or nearly so - I can't recall if all the
encores are complete), with the taper(s) announcing the show date and venue
at the beginning of the tape (probably so they - and now we - could keep it
straight years later).
To the best of my knowledge, Soundtrack for Fantasy is from Preston UK. The
version of the bootleg tracklist at Steve Jenkins' web page has not been
upsdated for some time, so it still says 'November 5, 1980 Preston Guild
Hall, Detroit, MI, USA'... (This has been corrected in later versions).
(See Morgan - We ALL get to taste felt from time to time... Anyone know
where I can get a chocolate hat?)
> -----Original Message-----
> I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I
> believe from a
> 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November
> although the CD states
> that it took place in Detroit. Did they even go to Detroit
> that year? It
> sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the
> recorded sound
> is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a
> better recording
> available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project?
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
Santa Monica 1980.. 'hehe.. KILLER!'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
...
> encores are complete), with the taper(s) announcing the show
> date and venue
> at the beginning of the tape (probably so they - and now we -
> could keep it straight years later).
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 5:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
Dale said :
> Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where present saw was
> something totally different from the view on stage. Being both on and off
> the stage myself, I could see if this happen if certain conditions
existed.
>
Do you mean like those that have seen The Keep on Vinyl on the record
shelves and those that didn't see it?
Parallel universes and all that.
David
From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
>Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris,
> and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures.
>Ciao -- Mark
I remember a Polish guy giving an account of the concerts here on the list.
He said that it had not been freezing but there had been no heating. And
there was one power failure.
Pal
From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>Hi All!
>
> I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's Club (A great cd
>by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel.
>
>Thanks!
>Rick
All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange.
Pal
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
I don't know. The name 'Tangerine Tree' could refer to the overall project
on an ongoing basis, and names like 'Marmalade Skies' could refer to
specific edition/volume releases (with this last original issue just having
the singular name of 'Tangerine Tree').
I like 'Tangerine Tree' as a metaphorical refernce, as a tree continues to
grow and bear fruit even after you have picked the first batch, even to the
'tree' distribution model it uses. Indeed, we have picked the currently
ripe fruit, and other fruit that wasn't ready to be picked at first is
'ripening' now for the next batch.
So 'Marmalade Skies' is fine by me. The oft-debated myth of TD obtaining
their name from Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is a tongue-in-cheek reference
here, obviously. I've also suggested that following editions be named
'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of which would have a
double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering system, and a group
called 'Kaleidoscope' had an album named 'Tangerine Dream' around the same
time of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and the formation of TD.
any other thoughts on this, folks?
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
> If I'm not mistaken the title will then change
> from 'The Tangerine Tree' to
> 'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?)
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:26
pm
Subject: [tree] communication breakdown
seems that some tree progress is being hampered by non-responsive
descendants.
If you are having communication problems with your branchline, lemme know
off-list. We've done a small flurry of reassignments recently, and I'll do
more where warranted.
You will have to contact me, as it would be inappropriate for me to
interrupt a trade that already begun.
Thanks,
Joe
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree II
>Heiko H. said:
>I can choose between the already remastered audience recordings
>Paris Bataclan 02 Feb. 1981 (1st gen.), and Berlin ICC 26 Jan. 1981
Although Berlin might be clearer (incredible recording), I've gotta go with
Paris Bataclan musically.
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
Yes I am sure it was a similar experience.
;-)
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'fozziebear'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
> Dale said :
>
>
> > Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where present saw was
> > something totally different from the view on stage. Being both on and
off
> > the stage myself, I could see if this happen if certain conditions
> existed.
> >
>
> Do you mean like those that have seen The Keep on Vinyl on the record
> shelves and those that didn't see it?
>
> Parallel universes and all that.
>
> David
>
>
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From:
chris towers
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
I can say that the sountrack for fantasy bootleg is in
Preston UK 1980. I have this on Vinyl. I also have the
S for F on CD but has been a while since i listened to
them. Thinking back though im sure there are
differences..
Chris Towers
--- 'Owens, James' wrote:
> It turns out that there was no concert in Detroit in
> 1980, though TD did get
> at least 2 shows in on the US West Coast during
> November 1980. One of those
> is recorded in its entirety (or nearly so - I can't
> recall if all the
> encores are complete), with the taper(s) announcing
> the show date and venue
> at the beginning of the tape (probably so they - and
> now we - could keep it
> straight years later).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, Soundtrack for Fantasy
> is from Preston UK. The
> version of the bootleg tracklist at Steve Jenkins'
> web page has not been
> upsdated for some time, so it still says 'November
> 5, 1980 Preston Guild
> Hall, Detroit, MI, USA'... (This has been corrected
> in later versions).
>
> (See Morgan - We ALL get to taste felt from time to
> time... Anyone know
> where I can get a chocolate hat?)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg,
> taken I
> > believe from a
> > 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th
> November
> > although the CD states
> > that it took place in Detroit. Did they even go to
> Detroit
> > that year? It
> > sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it
> was, but the
> > recorded sound
> > is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there
> is a
> > better recording
> > available that might become part of a future
> 'Tangerine Tree' project?
>
>
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:37
pm
Subject: THE KEEP re Poland-2CD
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:44:06 +0100 'fozziebear'
writes:
>>Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where
>>present saw was something totally different from the view
>>on stage. [. . .]
>
>Do you mean like those that have seen The Keep on Vinyl on
>the record shelves and those that didn't see it?
>
>Parallel universes and all that.
Hoo boy. Two KEEP jokes in one weak. Oh, dearie me;
was that a typo? ;)
>David
-- Steven Feldman
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
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| 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me |
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: Weekly Chats
Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly
Tangerine Dream chat tonight from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window is
provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning.
Several of us chat on an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server typically on
Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to
catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and
go, and when the American chatters come and go. Last night we had 6 people,
and we've had as many as 10 people before. The chat is very free-form and
we try to keep it friendly. The chat is now helmed by Flemming (AirWave),
although he is only in the chat at times reasonable to Europe times.
Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a
downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away.
Windows users, you can get this here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your
hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it up
and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should
bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can
to help you get into the chat.
Mac users,
Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here:
http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three
exact instructions:
/nick tadreamfan2
/server irc.sorcery.net 9000
/join #tadream
You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing
/join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
Mac/Windows:
On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there
are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We
might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
Hope to see you in the chat!
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
If you have not tried this, you should. It can be very informative sometimes
as well as good fun. Everytime I been there, I have come away with some
interesting facts to add to my collection as well as learn some new things.
Everyone there is very friendly.
I like to join you tonight but its the Shakespeare Festival again and I will
be covering plays for the next three nights. Tonight, if I am not wrong, it
is music and instruments from the period. Tomorrow 'As you like it' or
Julius Caesar', then the next day the other.
I lead other life's in case you are wondering. I write for one of the local
newspapers too, normally the funds I get for that I use to buy more synths
and stuff.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:18 PM
Subject: [tadream] Weekly Chats
> Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly
> Tangerine Dream chat tonight from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window is
> provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning.
>
> Several of us chat on an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server typically on
> Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to
> catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come
and
> go, and when the American chatters come and go. Last night we had 6
people,
> and we've had as many as 10 people before. The chat is very free-form and
> we try to keep it friendly. The chat is now helmed by Flemming (AirWave),
> although he is only in the chat at times reasonable to Europe times.
>
> Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a
> downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
> connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away.
>
> Windows users, you can get this here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
>
> Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on
your
> hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
> you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it
up
> and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should
> bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can
> to help you get into the chat.
>
> Mac users,
>
> Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found
here:
> http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
>
> Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three
> exact instructions:
>
> /nick tadreamfan2
> /server irc.sorcery.net 9000
> /join #tadream
>
> You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If
typing
> /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
>
> Mac/Windows:
>
> On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
> up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there
> are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond.
We
> might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
>
>
> Hope to see you in the chat!
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD
>Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, and
Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures.
>Ciao -- Mark
>I remember a Polish guy giving an account of the concerts >here on the list.
>He said that it had not been freezing but there had been no >heating. And
>there was one power failure.
>Pal
Pardon the netiquette breach by copying previous posts.....
I believe that the first comment was a joke about the conditions in the studio
when the Poland CD was ACTUALLY recorded, not at the concert itself......
ATYE (the TD guy)
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
In a message dated 4/12/02 2:27:07 PM, jshoults@f... writes:
>I've also suggested that following editions be named
>'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of which would have
>a double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering system, and a group
>called 'Kaleidoscope' had an album named 'Tangerine Dream' around the same
>time of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and the formation of TD.
Actually TD's mastering system is called DQC. (Now, if only we could know
what it actually is/does.)
--Daniel
NP: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night soundtrack
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:14
am
Subject: Re: Darwin's Motel
HAH! Had a good laugh in this terrible friday (lotsa work, tons of stuff to
study). thanks a lot.
> yeah. 'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve'
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:57
pm
Subject: Re: Poland-2CD
--- In tadream@y..., atye@a... wrote:
> >Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing,
Ed, Chris, and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no
power failures.
> >Ciao -- Mark
>
> >I remember a Polish guy giving an account of the concerts >here on
the list.
> >He said that it had not been freezing but there had been no
>heating. And
> >there was one power failure.
>
> >Pal
>
> Pardon the netiquette breach by copying previous posts.....
> I believe that the first comment was a joke about the conditions in
the studio when the Poland CD was ACTUALLY recorded, not at the
concert itself......
>
> ATYE (the TD guy)
Freezing or not, ITS an absolute CLASSIC.
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: The Wonderful POLAND.
Whatever one says,this will always remain a classic in my
heart,totally awesome stuff,Edgar froese is the KING,the man is a
GENIUS.
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
I can't resist. To me it sounds like she says, Look at me, look at me, check
your BVD's. LOL! 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>From: rbrown4856@a...
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:30:39 EDT
>
>Hi All!
>
> I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's Club (A great
>cd
>by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel.
>
>Thanks!
>Rick
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:31
pm
Subject: re: SSO
>Star Sounds Orchestra will be performing at the Okefenokee Gathering
starting next week. SSO is Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar. Steve performed
on the Tangerine Dream album 'Alpha Centauri' and guest appeared on 'Zeit'.<
WOW now really wish I was going!
--T (hmm, gonna see steve roach + atoi thursday at ambient journeys in
oakland instead...)
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
ah. DQC. oops. well I didn't like that one very much anyway. besides, who
dances to TD? especially slowly? i like Kaleidoscope Eyes thoug
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:19 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/02 2:27:07 PM, jshoults@f... writes:
>
> >I've also suggested that following editions be named
> >'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of
> which would have
> >a double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering
> system, and a group
> >called 'Kaleidoscope' had an album named 'Tangerine Dream'
> around the same
> >time of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and the formation of TD.
>
> Actually TD's mastering system is called DQC. (Now, if only
> we could know
> what it actually is/does.)
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night soundtrack
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:36
pm
Subject: [tree] SHN FTP down over weekend
due to hardware upgrades, the SHN FTP server will be down intermittently
over the weekend, and possibly into next week. Please be patient; it will
be back up.
thanks,
joe
no: Mark Shreeve (Redshift) - Ether
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From:
'gkopuy'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:34
pm
Subject: changing name from 'The Tangerine Tree' to 'Marmalade skies'
I'm just curious why not to stick to the Tangerine Tree name instead
of Marmalade Skies? Personally I find it a better name and also, íf
the cover artwork is more or less the same, you get a one uniform
appearance in the CD storage tower. (Yes these are the first CDR's
which found their way into my living room and are placed very visible
to the people in the room!). Everybody who is browsing in my CD
collection asks what this Tangerine Tree is.
Roger
PS: I give a copy of the Tangerine Tree to the editor of the dutch
magazine KLEMblad. He was very impressed with the sound quality and
cover art..
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
Oops, darn, I meant 'watch me, watch me etc.' sorry, duh, 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>From: Joe Shoults
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com''
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:33:25 -0400
>
>yeah. 'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve'
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
Thanks, Heiko. Maybe something from that 1980 UK tour can be incorporated in
the third project? Thanks to James Owens as well. It seems that those
organising the artwork for the bootleg got confused about the Guild Halls --
perhaps understandably with the one in Detroit being called Preston Guild
Hall!.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
>
>
> > I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I believe from a
> > 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November although the CD
states
> > that it took place in Detroit.
>
> Preston 5th November 1980 is indeed the correct date :-)
>
> > Did they even go to Detroit that year?
>
> No, only to San Francisco and Santa Monica.
>
> > It sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the
recorded
> > sound
> > is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a better recording
> > available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project?
>
> There is a better recording available from that tour, however for the next
> 'Tree' CDRs I can choose between the already remastered audience
recordings
> Paris Bataclan 02 Feb. 1981 (1st gen.), and Berlin ICC 26 Jan. 1981
(unknown
> gen, but must be pretty close to the master tape)
> As most of you will know the music which was played throughout the
> January/February 1981 European tour slightly differed from that of the
> October/November 1980 tour (for exhaustive tracklist information go to
> Zebbyworld's 'The Tangerine Dream Concert Tracklist 1980-2001' which you
can
> find at: 'http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/TDmother.html' )
>
> I guess that in about 2-3 weeks from now I will have the definite versions
of
> the concerts which will make up the next batch (Volumes 9-15), and once
everyone
> has received their first 10 CDRs I'll wait for the 'go and burn!' sign
:-) If
> I'm not mistaken the title will then change from 'The Tangerine Tree' to
> 'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?)
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:58
am
Subject: Unheard TD Forum
If you are one of the few who didn't scoff at the idea of a multi-threaded
discussion forum with easy-to-trace discussions going back many weeks,
maybe this will be the discussion that gets you interested in joining. This
does not replace the tadream list! This is only in addition to the list, to
discuss issues that are handled better in a threaded discussion, and
discussions that might be a bit off-topic.
I'm talking about the minutiae involved in the 31.01.1980 Palast der
Republik show in Berlin!
Was there or wasn't there a show performed that afternoon? (I'll be
expecting Feldman along any moment to start a forum topic about The Keep
(and he is welcome to!))
And most importantly, general comments about this show, and what's involved
in getting the best recording of it!
You are invited to check out the UnheardTD Forum here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/forums/index.php
You don't have to register to read it, or to reply to a topic, only to
start new topics.
Click on 'Diehard Area' and then click on 'Build it and the diehards will
discuss! 'PDR 1980.01.31'
The orum is unofficial, and so has more relaxed rules.
-Morgan
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Star Sounds Orchestra at Ricochet Gathering (Okefenokee 2002)
unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng!
and there go my head fragments again.
that must be so interestimg to see.
oh well.
GJ np. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale @ #tadream chat @Sorcery.Net, almost
simultaneously with the people. very very nice as always.
>Star Sounds Orchestra will be performing at the Okefenokee Gathering
>starting next week. SSO is _STEVE SCHROYDER_ and Jens Zygar.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:33
am
Subject: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
oh no, no, no, make it Tangerine Tree all the way, Volumes x-y.... much better,
simpler, more uniform. if there were names for each batch, I have the
impression that , with time, the impact would be lost, i mean, it would be like
many different trees, while it's one only big project just divided in parts...
make it Tangerine Tree all the way, make it a 20-30-40+ Volumes work, it's
surely already a remarkable event in the TD fandom history and it will only get
bigger!
well, that's enough rambling for now.
np. Maroubra Bay simultaneously with the folks at the Chat. you're all invited!
>I'm not mistaken the title will then change from 'The Tangerine Tree' to
>'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?)
>Regards, Heiko
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 6:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP re Poland-2CD
Steven Feldman said
> Hoo boy. Two KEEP jokes in one weak. Oh, dearie me;
> was that a typo? ;)
>
I thought the typo was on the Lp cover when the Keep was first translated
into English. Wasn't it originally The Hype?
David
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 10:14
am
Subject: Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
>oh no, no, no, make it Tangerine Tree all the way, Volumes x-y.... much
>better, simpler, more uniform. if there were names for each batch, I have
>the impression that , with time, the impact would be lost, i mean, it would
>be like many different trees, while it's one only big project just divided
>in parts... make it Tangerine Tree all the way, make it a 20-30-40+ Volumes
>work, it's surely already a remarkable event in the TD fandom history and
>it will only get bigger!
>well, that's enough rambling for now.
>
>np. Maroubra Bay simultaneously with the folks at the Chat. you're all
>invited!
I agree, we already had one big fight over the name; why do we need to do
that again?
John Vertical
PS: I'm apparently not coming to the chats; it'll be too hard for me to wake
up at 7o'clock on weekends... and Monday mornings will have their own
business.
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Hi all,
I started an ASHRA NEWSLETTER on yahoo, if you are interested in this
NEWSLETTER (you have first all NEWS about ASHRA and their band members) then
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Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:48
pm
Subject: Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This will keep it uniform
and consistent IMO.
ATYE (the TD guy)
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
atye@a... wrote:
>
> I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This will keep it uniform
> and consistent IMO.
I agree too.
Antonio
np: Network 388 (a relic from the old tadream list :-))
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
In a message dated 4/13/2002 8:02:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
np97fa@m... writes:
> > I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This will keep it uniform
> > and consistent IMO.
> I agree too.
> Antonio
I'll put in my vote for Tangerine Tree too...
Poly
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:57
pm
Subject: The German TELDEC 'Poland'-2-CD mystery
Hi Vic, hi Michael Berling, hello everyone,
some new investigations make me believe that the follwing entry in the 'Voices
in the dunes' book and also in the www.voices-in-the-net.de Homepage results
from an error or misunderstanding:
> From: 'vic rek'
>
> Can you tell me more about the POLAND Teldec CD release?
> I heard that this was a rumour and if it is available then I can make a very
> generous offer for it...
I tried to research where the wrong entry came from:
Teldec's German 2-page promo flyer for 'Poland' (1984) refers to the 6.28638
2-LP and to the 4.28638 music cassette, but not to any CD. Teldec started to
use
numbers with 8. ... later on for CD releases; this would allow the conclusion
that a 'Poland' 2-CD-release would get the number 8.28638 - but in fact, this
number does not appear anywhere in my Teldec files.
The first (as far as known) German CD version is a 1-CD with the catalog number
Jive/Teldec 8.26099 ZP, has the year 1984 on the cover but was obviously
released some time after the LP (1985?) - otherwise it could have been
mentioned
on the promo flyer and could have had the subsequent number with the 8 as
mentioned above.
The following entry appeard in the first tow data collections of Rolf Sonnemann
and me for the 'Voices' book project, dated in 'sping 1988' and again Nov.,
21st, 1988: 'Poland Jive 828638 UK 1985 2CD.' This is obviously wrong, as
the
UK releases had 'Jive HIP...'-numbers for the LPs and 'Jive CHIP...'-numbers
for
the CDs, and this line did not make its way into the 'Voices' book. It might
has
been a transcription error that this number then has been filed as German
release for the book, believing that it exists and with a number that fits into
the German Jive/Teldec number scheme. I could not find out where this (wrong)
UK
entry 14 years ago came from, but we, the 'Voices' book editors, later regarded
the alleged German item as doubtful, even if I do not remember what reason for.
In my reference copy of the book, used for corrections after the book has been
printed, the Teldec-2-CD entry (Germany, 1984, #8.28638) is marked red with an
'?'. It was definitely my error to let this entry pass for the
voices-in-the-net
release without new investigation.
Siggi Lindhorst, owner of probably the biggest collection in Germany and also
contributor to voices-in-the-net, shares my opinion. We both remember that
after
the Relativity release in the USA, many collectors in Germany, including us,
tried to get these 2-CDs in holiday or by mail order, as only they contain the
complete music material.
In case anybody out there has a German Teldec 8.28638 2-CD-set, please drop a
line (even if you are not willing to trade it) so that we definitely can end up
with that mystery.
Greetings
Peter
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Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:30
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Subject: Re: [tadream] The German TELDEC 'Poland'-2-CD mystery
I do have the single and double Teldec, but I am only
willing to part with the single one. The double one
on disc two has one song that has a different running
time as compared to the superior sounding Sequel
release. Yes, the Sequel is by far superior but has
one song edited to fit both origional c.d.'s on one
disc.
Wade
p.s. contact me privately on this matter.
--- peter.stoeferle@t... wrote:
> Hi Vic, hi Michael Berling, hello everyone,
>
> some new investigations make me believe that the
> follwing entry in the 'Voices
> in the dunes' book and also in the
> www.voices-in-the-net.de Homepage results
> from an error or misunderstanding:
>
> > From: 'vic rek'
> >
> > Can you tell me more about the POLAND Teldec CD
> release?
> > I heard that this was a rumour and if it is
> available then I can make a very
> > generous offer for it...
>
> I tried to research where the wrong entry came from:
>
> Teldec's German 2-page promo flyer for 'Poland'
> (1984) refers to the 6.28638
> 2-LP and to the 4.28638 music cassette, but not to
> any CD. Teldec started to use
> numbers with 8. ... later on for CD releases; this
> would allow the conclusion
> that a 'Poland' 2-CD-release would get the number
> 8.28638 - but in fact, this
> number does not appear anywhere in my Teldec files.
>
> The first (as far as known) German CD version is a
> 1-CD with the catalog number
> Jive/Teldec 8.26099 ZP, has the year 1984 on the
> cover but was obviously
> released some time after the LP (1985?) - otherwise
> it could have been mentioned
> on the promo flyer and could have had the subsequent
> number with the 8 as
> mentioned above.
>
> The following entry appeard in the first tow data
> collections of Rolf Sonnemann
> and me for the 'Voices' book project, dated in
> 'sping 1988' and again Nov.,
> 21st, 1988: 'Poland Jive 828638 UK 1985 2CD.'
> This is obviously wrong, as the
> UK releases had 'Jive HIP...'-numbers for the LPs
> and 'Jive CHIP...'-numbers for
> the CDs, and this line did not make its way into the
> 'Voices' book. It might has
> been a transcription error that this number then has
> been filed as German
> release for the book, believing that it exists and
> with a number that fits into
> the German Jive/Teldec number scheme. I could not
> find out where this (wrong) UK
> entry 14 years ago came from, but we, the 'Voices'
> book editors, later regarded
> the alleged German item as doubtful, even if I do
> not remember what reason for.
> In my reference copy of the book, used for
> corrections after the book has been
> printed, the Teldec-2-CD entry (Germany, 1984,
> #8.28638) is marked red with an
> '?'. It was definitely my error to let this entry
> pass for the voices-in-the-net
> release without new investigation.
>
> Siggi Lindhorst, owner of probably the biggest
> collection in Germany and also
> contributor to voices-in-the-net, shares my opinion.
> We both remember that after
> the Relativity release in the USA, many collectors
> in Germany, including us,
> tried to get these 2-CDs in holiday or by mail
> order, as only they contain the
> complete music material.
>
> In case anybody out there has a German Teldec
> 8.28638 2-CD-set, please drop a
> line (even if you are not willing to trade it) so
> that we definitely can end up
> with that mystery.
>
> Greetings
> Peter
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 9:03
pm
Subject: Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
> I agree, we already had one big fight over the name; why do we need to do
> that again?
> John Vertical
> PS: I'm apparently not coming to the chats; it'll be too hard for me to
wake
> up at 7o'clock on weekends... and Monday mornings will have their own
> business.
The fight is fun? Interesting to see what others think.
The chat is the 'in' thing right now. Shame you are missing it. Shame we are
missing you.
Dale
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 9:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !!!
Took the plunge last night.
You should find me on your list.
I have not heard any Ashra, so I look forward to hear some to see what the
rave is.
Dale
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From:
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Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 5:22 AM
Subject: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !!!
> Hi all,
>
> I started an ASHRA NEWSLETTER on yahoo, if you are interested in this
NEWSLETTER (you have first all NEWS about ASHRA and their band members) then
join this NEWSLETTER:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter
>
> or
> subcribe directly:
> ashranewsletter-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Thank you.
>
> Heiko Neumann
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>
>
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Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 12:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
As a lurker, I must speak up for once and say
'Tangerine Tree' all the way.
I'll crawl back under my groovyelectronicrock now.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:47
am
Subject: semi-OT ASHRA Re: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !!!
I say 'semi-OT' because they're all, umm, from the same primordial ooze...
I have only a few albums by Manuel Göttsching, not any actual Ashra Tempel, but
hey, MG is Ashra. I have E2-E4, Inventions for Electric Guitar and Early Water,
which Manuel made with Michael Hoenig. They're all fascinating albums, three
different styles:
E2-E4, I think I could say is proto-techno, relentless beat, recorded at one
go, MG's guitars included. It's almost 60 minutes long, made in 1981,
discovered by Manuel's friend K.Schulze and released on KS's label IC ni 1984
(please correct me if I'm wrong). The first half of the album has a very subtle
development, while the second half has MG's trademark guitar, making the music
more interesting. But still, the development is overall slow.
Inventions for Electric Guitar is just what the name says. It's a smooth
electronic album full of filtered and processed guitar sounds.
I love Early Water (made in 1976), although I heard it only once or twice. It's
one of those classic pulsating albums, a bit like Rubycon, a bit like Timewind
maybe... classic 'Berlin school' sound. Those three albums I find just
excellent, but it's different from what you might expect from TD. The closest
thing could be Rubycon, maybe, with its repetitiveness.
I have also heard a bit of Ash Ra Tempel's first album, with KS on the drums
(KS founded the band with Manuel after leaving TD). Lots of drumming and organ,
something you would expect from a 1971 (or 1970?) album with KS. Ash Ra
Tempel's Join Inn must be very good too. I'm not sure if I heard it, but it
features KS again as guest musician. I've heard a bit of Seven Up, I think, but
the crazy singing drove me away, if I remember correctly. Ashra/Ash Ra
Tempel/Göttsching is still something I want to know more about.
>Took the plunge last night.
>You should find me on your list.
>I have not heard any Ashra, so I look forward to hear some to see what the
>rave is.
>Dale
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 11:42
am
Subject: Lifted Cloth ?
Hi all,
Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) '
Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin
of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert?
Thanks Phil
NP Fassbinder Concert
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>Rick
>
> All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange.
>
> Pal
I don't think so. I'm Polish and I can't understand those words...
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
Hi Everyone.
Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily
be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's
saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check
BVD's' :-)
Dave B.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 6:53 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>>Rick
>>
>> All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange.
>>
>> Pal
>
>I don't think so. I'm Polish and I can't understand those words...
>
>cheers
>
>Jarek 'Jerry'
>mailto:jerry@t...
>Visit my website at:
>http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:51
pm
Subject: White Cloths
>Hi all,
>
>Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) '
>
>Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin
>of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert?
>
>Thanks Phil White
As for the title, a photograph of the actual concert sheds light on that:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/whitecloths.jpg
It's a very nice recording of the entire Evening 31.01.1980 Palast der
Republik concert, plus the radio announcement before hand and an interview
after.
However, the absolute clearest recording of this concert is titled 'Lifted
Curtain'.
No doubt it will be on a future Tangerine Tree.
Lifted Curtain replaces Staatsgrenze West, White Cloths and all other
recordings of the Evening show.
-Morgan
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily
>be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's
>saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check
>BVD's' :-)
I suspect they're just nonsense words...
'so hat jedaa'
'tadaa'
'precen never denaa'
'patrice'
'shet baby hee'
Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think
there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where...
The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite
probably in this category too.
John Vertical
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: 31 1 80
Did anyone on this list go to that concert? Can they describe how the cloths
were used. Looks like a lot of them on the pictures that I have seen. Were
lasers shone on them?
David
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 6:26
pm
Subject: White Cloths
>fozziebear asked:
>Did anyone on this list go to that concert? Can they describe how the cloths
>were used. Looks like a lot of them on the pictures that I have seen. Were
>lasers shone on them?
>
>David
If we could find someone who was at the evening show, we could get some
confirmation about the afternoon show. *sigh*
-Morgan
From:
ampmusic
Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 9:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1308
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:35:22 +0300
> From: 'John Vertical'
> Subject: Re: Darwin's Motel
> Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think
> there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where...
> The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite
> probably in this category too.
>
> John Vertical
'Voices of Where' makes lots more sense if you play it backwards. And
understand German. And are maybe a Buddhist, or have read the Kama Sutra :-)
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:39
am
Subject: Montreal 77 CHOM-FM
Anyone familiar with this?
Anyone know the lineage of the tape used?
Or who remastered it?
I've got some comments, but I'll save them so I don't go down the same road
I did last week. :) :)
Thanks in advance!
********************************
Tangerine Dream
Escape From Earth
Montreal - Place Des Arts 9.04.1977
CHOM-FM Recording
Disc 1
1. Art Line 18:28 (radio announce chopped off)
2. Monolight 23:53
3. Retrosphere 23:57
Disc 2
1. Revenge of Mr. F 23:47
2. Return From Hotwater Canyon 11:02
3. Unknown Direct Bonus Track 12:00
4. Silver Scale (live 1980) 24:58
Remastered Edition
3Nutki2001 CD3N042
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:27
am
Subject: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
Hi,
got the following email. Anybody knows of a TD album (probably bootleg)
called 'The Pentestarch of Cosmogony' ?
armin
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Hi,
Managed to get a copy of a TD somg from some guy on out network, andi've
remembered an album I used to have of theirs that I can't find refererence to
anywhere on either the official site or any of the offshoots. it's called 'the
pentastarch of cosmogony' I believe. Have you ever heard of it?
Thanks, Darker Rage
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
Hi,
I remember that somebody here mentioned (at the time Goblin's Club was
released) that this voice is sampled from an album by 'Enigma'...
armin
>
> >Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily
> >be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's
> >saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check
> >BVD's' :-)
>
>
> I suspect they're just nonsense words...
> 'so hat jedaa'
> 'tadaa'
> 'precen never denaa'
> 'patrice'
> 'shet baby hee'
> Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think
> there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where...
> The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite
> probably in this category too.
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
I think it is more likely to be sampled off a sample collection of various
cultural vocals and such. The two groups probably used the same samples. It
makes me wonder what the validity of what Enigma does if their vocals are
from collections like 10,000 native samples and the ilk. As far as TD goes,
it seems they were trying to cash in on the New Age trend.
Greg H.
>
> Hi,
>
> I remember that somebody here mentioned (at the time Goblin's Club was
> released) that this voice is sampled from an album by 'Enigma'...
>
> armin
>
> >
> > >Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can
easily
> > >be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like
she's
> > >saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!',
'Check
> > >BVD's' :-)
> >
> >
> > I suspect they're just nonsense words...
> > 'so hat jedaa'
> > 'tadaa'
> > 'precen never denaa'
> > 'patrice'
> > 'shet baby hee'
> > Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think
> > there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of
Where...
> > The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite
> > probably in this category too.
> >
> > John Vertical
From:
'Phil White'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
Hello Armin...
Hope this helps.....
The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony'
which was recorded by UK band Greenslade in conjunction with fantasy writer
and artist Patrick Woodroffe in the mid seventies.
It was a double vinyl release which cam in hardback covers and encompassed a
47 page book. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to
its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate'
Regards Phil
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From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
From: 'Armin Theissen'
> got the following email. Anybody knows of a TD album (probably bootleg)
> called 'The Pentestarch of Cosmogony' ?
This wasn't TD, this was actually an Album by Dave Greenslade. The Double
album came in a big LP size book that contains mythological drawings and
stories by patrick woodroffe.
Nick
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:37
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
I've also suggested that following editions be named
>'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of which would have a
>double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering system,
*Btw, Joe, it´s 'DQC'.... ;-)
Best regards,
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Have a nice day!
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg
> *Btw, Joe, it´s 'DQC'.... ;-)
Hello Martin,
what does 'DQC' stand for?.....'deranged quadophronic cacaphony'? ;-)
Regards
Heiko
From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:31
am
Subject: Re: Lifted Cloth ?
I had wondered if it was intended as 'Lifted Curtain' as a reference
to the Iron Curtain that TD crossed to play in old East Berlin ?
Toby
> Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) '
>
> Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin
> of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert?
>
> Thanks Phil
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:34
am
Subject: Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
--- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote:
> Hello Armin...
> Hope this helps.....
>
> The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The
Cosmogony'
>
>
. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to
> its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an
unsuspecting 'mate'
>
> Regards Phil
I have to disagree Phil I discovered this around the same time I got
into TD and think it is a great album so good I got it on CD as well
only played it the other day still sounds great.
Cheers Gary
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
hey- i have an idea: why don't we just keep it 'Tangerine Tree'? ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
>
> In a message dated 4/13/2002 8:02:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
> np97fa@m... writes:
>
>
> > > I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This
> will keep it uniform
> > > and consistent IMO.
> > I agree too.
> > Antonio
>
> I'll put in my vote for Tangerine Tree too...
> Poly
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From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:28
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree
I think Tangerine Tree is a great name and would not mind if we kept using
it.
From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: Lifted Cloth ?
The correct title is 'Lifted Curtain'. As with 'Logotypes', I know the
details in naning this one, too. It is intended to be a reference to
the fact that TD was the first western band to play behind the Iron
Curtain. There is art for it, but I've only ever heard of one copy
that has it.
--- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) '
>
> Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin
> of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert?
>
> Thanks Phil
>
> NP Fassbinder Concert
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> hey- i have an idea: why don't we just keep it 'Tangerine Tree'? ;-)
I still want something dignified, in German. How about 'Das Dumkaufen mit der
Komputer Plunkenzee Muzik'.
ARF! -- Mark
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:28:11 -0700 'Whiteley, Steve'
writes:
>I think Tangerine Tree is a great name and would not mind
>if we kept using it.
Yeah, but it's a bit like the term 'post-modern.' Once
it's used, what do you call the trees in its wake? ;)
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From:
RJF
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
Sorry, but I must correct the following information. It was Dave
Greenslade who recorded the album, NOT his old 70's band Greenslade.
They are poles apart!
>Hello Armin...
>Hope this helps.....
>
>The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony'
>which was recorded by UK band Greenslade in conjunction with fantasy writer
>and artist Patrick Woodroffe in the mid seventies.
>It was a double vinyl release which cam in hardback covers and encompassed a
>47 page book. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to
>its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate'
>
>Regards Phil
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:39
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
It's evidently a publicly available sample, since Enigma used the identical
bit on Enigma 3 (I forget which track). Personally, I think it fit the
Enigma track much better.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> >Hi All!
> >
> > I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's
> Club (A great cd
> >by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Rick
>
> All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange.
>
> Pal
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:15
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree
I vote for Tangerine Tree. After all this could well become a forest.
np David Bowie
June 27,2000 God is an American, I'm afraid of Americans
David
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:52
pm
Subject: inferno review
Hi all.
I've been wanting to post a review of Inferno since I got the CD but never
really managed to find some time for it.
If there is still someone here who hasn't heard it yet (official version or
not), here is a quick review.
Well first, of course it is vocal music. It has some instrumental breaks though.
I have to say that the voices and the music work very well together although
some tracks are a bit spoiled to me as I never liked opera voices.
it takes a bit more time to get into than the dream mixes and it requires a
more active listening but if you just play it as background music, it can as
well be a 1 hour+ musical tapestry that sounds very homogeneous.
Actually, it tends to get a bit monotonous to me towards the middle of the
album. But then comes La grey de los almas perdidas and it's a real delight to
listen to. Of course, I guess the lyrics are not that joyfull but well, I don't
get spanish anyway.
I've always been pretty much into the jerome style so I must say that I really
envoy a lot tracks 16&17that wakes me up a little bit before the finale. Those
pieces develop a strong atmosphere with the traditionnal jerome trademark (and
they forgot crediting siouxsie for the vocals...)
But this album is certainly Edgar's baby and you can recognize it from the very
begining of the CD. The first tracks work very well for me. Of course, it's
true that it's always more or less the same chords and the same sounds but
well, they seem to sound different here.
Which gets me to my usual question : why doesn't Edgar try to produce other
musicians? I'm sure he could do interesting stuff.
All in all, it's a really enjoyable album that deserve several listens to be
fully appreciated. It is undoubtfully TD and it's different in the same time.
It mixes neo-classical and usual TD style with vocals. This is certainly an
ambitious work.
It's quiet music with very few drumming, lots of layers (no surprise) and some
classic sequences as well although they are sometimes a bit to low in the mix.
To conclude, I have to say that the boys still found the way to amaze me once
more. So now, what's next?
thomas.
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:25 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ...
>
>
> hey- i have an idea: why don't we just keep it 'Tangerine Tree'? ;-)
This is the best idea I think! Please, everybody DO NOT suggest any change
of the title...
BTW: All the CDs are excellent!! Thanks all of you involved in the release
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
James Owens wrote:
>
> It's evidently a publicly available sample, since Enigma used the identical
> bit on Enigma 3 (I forget which track). Personally, I think it fit the
> Enigma track much better.
I've found also an artist on mp3.com who uses the same sample. Curiously
the song name is 'Dark Dreams'. Personally I think the sample fits this
exotic song even better than in the Enigma track. You can listen to it
at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/94/tolga_.html
BTW, the Enigma 3 album liner notes says:
Samples taken from (...) Lettonie - Musiques des rites solaires by Rasa
Ensemble Riga
Vocal and instrumental music of Mongolia.
So, the sample on 'Darwin's Motel' must be one of these.
Antonio
np: Dreamwatchers' Tales II
From:
ampmusic
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1309
Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:33:11 +0100
> From: RJF
> Subject: Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
>
> Sorry, but I must correct the following information. It was Dave
> Greenslade who recorded the album, NOT his old 70's band Greenslade.
> They are poles apart!
>
> >Hello Armin...
> >Hope this helps.....
> >
> >The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony'
> >which was recorded by UK band Greenslade in conjunction with fantasy writer
> >and artist Patrick Woodroffe in the mid seventies.
> >It was a double vinyl release which cam in hardback covers and encompassed a
> >47 page book. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to
> >its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate'
> >
> >Regards Phil
> >
'Pentateuch' works best in LP format with the original big artwork,
though the CD release (BGO Records BGOCD170, 1994) is nice enough too.
Phil Collins made a very small appearance on percussion, but the music
comes otherwise from the 20 or so keyboards, synths and other
instruments played by Dave Greenslade. As a taster, the closing track
'The Tiger and the Dove' was remixed for 'Music for the 3rd Millennium
Vol. 2' (AMP Records AMP-CD 041, 2001) and was described as sounding
like something Edgar Froese solo might have done; one of Paul
Haslinger's 'Octahedron' pieces is on the same CD, along with tracks
from Michael Rother (Neu!) with Dieter Moebius (Cluster), and other
Berliners like Bernd Kistenmacher...check
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html
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From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 1:12
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern'
Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree, stretching
out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree ring.
Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero.
> Yeah, but it's a bit like the term 'post-modern.' Once
>it's used, what do you call the trees in its wake? ;)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
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From:
'Robert Wear'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1309
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:27:07 +0100 (BST)
From: Armin Theissen
Subject: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
Hi,
got the following email. Anybody knows of a TD album (probably bootleg)
called 'The Pentestarch of Cosmogony' ?
armin
I have this CD but it is buy Dave Greenslade.
Robert Wear
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern'
>Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree,
>stretching
>out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree
>ring.
>Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero.
>
> > Yeah, but it's a bit like the term 'post-modern.' Once
> >it's used, what do you call the trees in its wake? ;)
And even if we would seed a new tree... This name has already been used, it
won't help complaining about that now.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel
>I've found also an artist on mp3.com who uses the same sample. Curiously
>the song name is 'Dark Dreams'. Personally I think the sample fits this
>exotic song even better than in the Enigma track. You can listen to it
>at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/94/tolga_.html
>
>BTW, the Enigma 3 album liner notes says:
>Samples taken from (...) Lettonie - Musiques des rites solaires by Rasa
>Ensemble Riga
>Vocal and instrumental music of Mongolia.
>
>So, the sample on 'Darwin's Motel' must be one of these.
It wasn't too dark if you ask me. In the beginning it seemed almost like a
rip-off of No Man's Land...
Okay, so they're Mongolian... Is anyone here from Mongolia? :-b
John Vertical
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern'
> Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree, stretching
> out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree ring.
> Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero.
a 'rain dancer'....that would explain the miserable weather we have here since a
couple of days! ;-)
For me the real heroes are the people who taped the shows, and those who
remastered them...and of course Tangerine Dream :-)
Regards
Heiko
n.p. on my Discman: forthcoming 'Tangerine Tree' concert London Royal Albert
Hall April 2,1975 (I'm in analogue heaven :-)
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern'
Well at least you are able to make post and mail now. So all that fancy
dancing must have worked.
Dale
;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern'
>
>
> > Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree,
stretching
> > out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree
ring.
> > Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero.
>
> a 'rain dancer'....that would explain the miserable weather we have here
since a
> couple of days! ;-)
> For me the real heroes are the people who taped the shows, and those who
> remastered them...and of course Tangerine Dream :-)
>
> Regards
> Heiko
> n.p. on my Discman: forthcoming 'Tangerine Tree' concert London Royal
Albert
> Hall April 2,1975 (I'm in analogue heaven :-)
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 7:01
am
Subject: Just bought
Klaus Schulze
72 x 93 The Essential
Christopher Franke
epic
I did look for Ashra, did not find.
Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical
Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have
bought if found there. Here is his web site
http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and
more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy?
All these things I found at Barnes & Noble...
I also bought another copy of Logos. As it turns out the Version I already
have from Europe (Virgin) is the same just a different cover. I saw a CD of
Edgar's Aqua there so I might exchange it for it.
Well there you have it, this was my wild night on the town during my
birthday.
Dale
;-) not happy that I am another year older.
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 7:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
In a message dated 4/16/2002 2:01:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
admin@k... writes:
> Klaus Schulze
> 72 x 93 The Essential
>
*I find this collection extremely odd... how can you have an 'essential' KS
anthology with no Mirage representation, BUT have Weird Caravan included is
beyond me...
Poly
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:13
am
Subject: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
Hello Gang,
I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for the
next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks before
everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no need to
hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't received their
discs from TT1 ;-)
So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge parcel full of unreleased live
tapes this is what you will have to cope with: ;-)
Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert (source:
digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation audience tape)
2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2
CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation
tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk
recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the
German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also includes
some tracks taken from TV broadcasts.
Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2
CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
(*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole
Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR,
but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st
gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a
bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the
tapes of Mannheim & Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same
time they both have some sort of relation to each other....what do you
think? Although I don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one
Volume, I think this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of
81 minutes we would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*)
Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs,
remastered by 'Jabberwock'
Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
rock for peace' (Part 1)
(Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by '3N'
Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
rock for peace' (Part 2)
(Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts from the Press conference)
1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz.
Regards
Tree Man
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:46
am
Subject: Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
Heiko, it sounds like a good idea to maximise the use of the discs in
the tree - the end recipients can always split the shows out to
separate discs if a tracklist is provided.
Have the same cover art guy's been contacted as I thought the art for
TT1 was excellent.
Regards
Toby
>
> Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape)
2
> CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
> (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole
> Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1
CDR,
> but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the
remastered 1st
> gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a
> bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
> Have the same cover art guy's been contacted as I thought the art for
> TT1 was excellent.
Yes, I told them about the new tracklist yesterday, and all three of them
will again be responsible for doing the cover artwork for Vol. 9-16, but for
subsequent volumes there will be some changes in the 'line up' (there are two
other list members who also wanted to create cover artwork for TT..I guess we
will find a solution that pleases everybody :-)
Heiko
P.S.: can someone explain to me the difference between a mixing desk and a
soundboard recording (in case there is one?)
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
> Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical
> Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have
> bought if found there. Here is his web site
> http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and
> more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy?
He is from Norway, but living in England and making music for games, movies,
etc as well as his own music. I have several of his CDs and have met him on
a few occasions.
Glenn
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
Sounds like some more great music, Heiko. I agree about maximising CD-R
space too -- providing, of course, there is always a musically convenient
place to end a disc. We don't want any fade outs in the middle of a
composition, do we?
Glad to hear Gustavo, Maff and Marko are back at their easels for this next
instalment and my printer ink cartridge supplier will be pleased as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'braddito'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
Heiko, it sounds like a good idea to maximise the use of the discs in
the tree - the end recipients can always split the shows out to
separate discs if a tracklist is provided.
Have the same cover art guy's been contacted as I thought the art for
TT1 was excellent.
Regards
Toby
>
> Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape)
2
> CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
> (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole
> Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1
CDR,
> but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the
remastered 1st
> gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a
> bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
Bjorn Lynne made his name in the world of computer music mainly on systems
like the Amiga and Atari ST. He went on to bring out studio verisions of
these tracks on CD and then from there progressed to full synth albums.
He's done a ton of stuff and nearly all of it is first rate.
I wouldn't compare him to any one else as I think he has his own style, I
once read that he'd never heard any music by TD and so he doesn't fall into
the sequencer class of music.
I would recommend a listen to any of his music.
He's also a nice guy who has a lot of time for people interested in his
work.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:01 AM
Subject: [tadream] Just bought
> Klaus Schulze
> 72 x 93 The Essential
>
> Christopher Franke
> epic
>
> I did look for Ashra, did not find.
>
> Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical
> Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have
> bought if found there. Here is his web site
> http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and
> more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy?
>
> All these things I found at Barnes & Noble...
>
> I also bought another copy of Logos. As it turns out the Version I already
> have from Europe (Virgin) is the same just a different cover. I saw a CD
of
> Edgar's Aqua there so I might exchange it for it.
>
> Well there you have it, this was my wild night on the town during my
> birthday.
>
> Dale
>
> ;-) not happy that I am another year older.
>
>
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>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
Next time you see him tell him he might have another fan brewing.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
>
> > Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD,
Optical
> > Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have
> > bought if found there. Here is his web site
> > http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and
> > more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy?
>
> He is from Norway, but living in England and making music for games,
movies,
> etc as well as his own music. I have several of his CDs and have met him
on
> a few occasions.
>
> Glenn
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: Tree II
>Heiko said:
>Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2
>CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
>(*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole
>Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR,
>but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st
>gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a
>bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the
>tapes of Mannheim & Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same
>time they both have some sort of relation to each other....what do you
>think? Although I don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one
>Volume, I think this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of
>81 minutes we would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*)
I agree that this (and only this) should be an exception.
Mannheim 76 is a cool concert. Saarbrucken is not quite as exciting, but
both are first generation tapes so they fit the purpose of the tree.
I'd say put all of Mannheim 76 except the 2nd encore on disc 1, then the
2nd encore and all of Saarbrucken on the second disc. That way they are
almost complete segregated except for that 10 minute encore.
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
Well I have to agree with you.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
> In a message dated 4/16/2002 2:01:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
> admin@k... writes:
>
>
> > Klaus Schulze
> > 72 x 93 The Essential
> >
>
> *I find this collection extremely odd... how can you have an 'essential'
KS
> anthology with no Mirage representation, BUT have Weird Caravan included
is
> beyond me...
> Poly
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
About 10 years ago BBC Radio1 played a 35min excerpt
from what I believe is vol9. I hope it was because
what I heard (and taped) that night was amazing.
Drooling already,
Jonathan.
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
Admin wrote:
>
> Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical
> Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have
> bought if found there. Here is his web site
> http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and
> more of stuff he is giving away.
He has also 2 pages on mp3.com with many tracks available:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/0/bjorn_lynne.html
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/game_music_by_bjorn_lynne.html
I didn't care about game music, but after hearing the Bjorn Lynne tracks
on this page, I've changed my mind.
Antonio
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
> Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
> rock for peace' (Part 2)
> (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts from the Press
> conference)
> 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz.
Heiko, it should be 'Most', not 'Mart'...
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
> I wouldn't compare him to any one else as I think he has his own style, I
> once read that he'd never heard any music by TD and so he doesn't fall
into
> the sequencer class of music.
Well, I wouldnt say that he doesnt fall into the sequencer class of music
just because he never heard any TD music. It is quite possible to make
sequencer music without ever having heard any TD music. Mainly because lots
of other bands and artists also make 'sequencer music'.
But I would say that Lynne doesnt belong in that category because he simply
doesnt. But it has nothing to do with having heard TD or not.
Glenn
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] inferno review
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thomas.soucheleau@n...
> forgot crediting siouxsie for the vocals...)
you mean Siouxsie from Creatures/Banshees?
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:22
pm
Subject: Tree naming
I have this recurring fantasy about buying a yacht and cruising down the
Tennessee river listing to classic TD concerts in superior sound quality.
I guess you could say I picture myself in a boat on a river, with Tangerine
Tree (and Marmalade Skies?)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
>
> I don't know. The name 'Tangerine Tree' could refer to the
> overall project
> on an ongoing basis, and names like 'Marmalade Skies' could refer to
> specific edition/volume releases (with this last original
> issue just having
> the singular name of 'Tangerine Tree').
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
I remember the BBC playing this too Jonathan. I happened to be just going
through the frequencies on my radio (can't recall what I was searching for),
and was amazed to stumbed upon TD! If I remember right, it was Alan
Freeman's show, and you're right, it seems about 10 years ago to me too.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Holt
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
> About 10 years ago BBC Radio1 played a 35min excerpt
> from what I believe is vol9. I hope it was because
> what I heard (and taped) that night was amazing.
>
> Drooling already,
> Jonathan.
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought
In a message dated 4/16/2002 3:51:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
glenn@f... writes:
> . Mainly because lots
> of other bands and artists also make 'sequencer music'.
>
> But I would say that Lynne doesnt belong in that category because he simply
> doesnt. But it has nothing to do with having heard TD or not.
>
> Glenn
>
* Charlie Christian was the first to use electric guitar... this doesn't mean
that all who followed were influenced by him.
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Robert Wear'
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1310
Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical
Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have
bought if found there. Here is his web site
http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and
more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy?
I have quite a few of Bjorn's CDs. They are very good. His early game music
CDs were under the name of Dr. Awesome. He still does game music but his
best work is his regular compositions such as Revive, The Void, and The
Timura Trilogy. His recordings are very dynamic with deep bass especially
The Void.
Robert Wear
From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:13
am
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] inferno review
Damn it! I never have the original message when I click the reply button.
I guess it was from joe shoults. About Siouxsie, it was just some kind of
private joke...
The singer on track 17 indeed made me think of a song I can't remember the name
by siouxsie and the banshees.
thomas.
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree?
Dennis
On 16 Apr 2002 at 10:13, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Hello Gang,
> I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for
> the next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks
> before everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no
> need to hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't
> received their discs from TT1 ;-) So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge
> parcel full of unreleased live tapes this is what you will have to
> cope with: ;-)
>
> Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert
> (source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation
> audience tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
>
> Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2
> CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
>
> Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation
> tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk
> recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
>
> Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the
> German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also
> includes some tracks taken from TV broadcasts.
>
> Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2
> CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' (*bad luck for people like me who can
> only listen to CDRs: the whole Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes
> and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, but it's impossible to shorten it.
> Maybe I should add the remastered 1st gen. audience tape of
> Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a bonus? This concert has a
> length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the tapes of Mannheim &
> Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same time they both have
> some sort of relation to each other....what do you think? Although I
> don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one Volume, I think
> this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of 81 minutes we
> would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*)
>
> Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2
> CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
>
> Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
> rock for peace' (Part 1) (Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by
> '3N'
>
> Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
> rock for peace' (Part 2) (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts
> from the Press conference) 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw
> 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz.
>
> Regards
> Tree Man
>
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 12:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
yes, I wnat to be in there again as well. Though: my source, Conrad,
has still not come back to me to tell me what to do in return for
getting the CDs (I assume blanks but I'd love to get this confirmed...)
armin
>
> Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree?
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 16 Apr 2002 at 10:13, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
> > Hello Gang,
> > I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for
> > the next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks
> > before everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no
> > need to hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't
> > received their discs from TT1 ;-) So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge
> > parcel full of unreleased live tapes this is what you will have to
> > cope with: ;-)
> >
> > Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert
> > (source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation
> > audience tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
> >
> > Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2
> > CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
> >
> > Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation
> > tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk
> > recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
> >
> > Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the
> > German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also
> > includes some tracks taken from TV broadcasts.
> >
> > Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2
> > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' (*bad luck for people like me who can
> > only listen to CDRs: the whole Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes
> > and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, but it's impossible to shorten it.
> > Maybe I should add the remastered 1st gen. audience tape of
> > Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a bonus? This concert has a
> > length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the tapes of Mannheim &
> > Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same time they both have
> > some sort of relation to each other....what do you think? Although I
> > don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one Volume, I think
> > this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of 81 minutes we
> > would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*)
> >
> > Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2
> > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
> >
> > Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
> > rock for peace' (Part 1) (Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by
> > '3N'
> >
> > Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
> > rock for peace' (Part 2) (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts
> > from the Press conference) 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw
> > 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz.
> >
> > Regards
> > Tree Man
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: Re: Just bought
Well KS is quite impossible to put in a collection, in my opinion. Mirage
would be totally impossible; it's such a tremendous work it deserves to be
heard only in its complete form. When I decided to make a collection of KS
tracks, I had to decide to make it an MP3 CDR, including only full tracks. A
total of 17 tracks, I think, 7 hours of music, from Irrlicht to Klangart,
hopefully including most of the styles he's done. Royal Fest. Hall Vol.1,
complete, for example, represents the sampling phase.
> *I find this collection extremely odd... how can you have an 'essential' KS
> anthology with no Mirage representation, BUT have Weird Caravan included is
> beyond me...
> Poly
From:
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 12:24
pm
Subject: new sampler DSOTM
Hello,
an new Klaus Schulze / Pete Nnamlook Sampler is Released on Fax Records AW 023:
'The Evolution of the dark side of the moog'
This sampler has 12 tracks include from all DSOTM Solo Cd`s from Parts 1 to 8.
No new material , all in one mix.
You can order it from: www.cue-records.de
Regards
heiko
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
Dont forget to subcribe your ASHRA NEWSLETTER on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsle
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:10
pm
Subject: OT: Unfinished business
Hi,
There is a live Dream Conspiracy demo on www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk.
It was going to be our submision to DWT2 but was not finished in time (I
moved house and got married!)
As I got a lot of kind emails about the Dysfunction track on DWT1 I thought
some might like to hear this one as it was the last thing we did as a trio.
You might even find it a little familiar in places ;)
Matt
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:46
pm
Subject: Klaus Schulze question
Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times and I
apologize for bringing it up again.
I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to
get. Maybe I should get them all.
Picture Music
Dig It
Body Love
Dreams
Trancefer
I picked up Trancefer.
What do you guys suggest?
THANKS!!!
(I also picked up Patrick O'Hearn's Indigo on the cheap and like it very much.
Besides liking the music it gave me a few good musical ideas to explore. Going
to get Eldorado next maybe - also cheap, then move on to the more recent ones.)
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
In a message dated 4/17/2002 3:27:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
Liondream@a... writes:
> Picture Music
>
> Body Love
*These two would be top of my list... Picture music in particular has one of
the greatest pieces of EM ever.... Totem.
Poly
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
BUY THEM ALL!!!!!! When I first got my copies of these they cost me around
$18 each.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 10:46 AM 4/17/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times
and I apologize for bringing it up again.
>
>I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which
ones to get. Maybe I should get them all.
>
>Picture Music
>Dig It
>Body Love
>Dreams
>Trancefer
>
>I picked up Trancefer.
>
>What do you guys suggest?
>
>THANKS!!!
>
>(I also picked up Patrick O'Hearn's Indigo on the cheap and like it very
much. Besides liking the music it gave me a few good musical ideas to
explore. Going to get Eldorado next maybe - also cheap, then move on to the
more recent ones.)
>
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
It was on during the dying days of Alan 'Fluff'
Freeman's Saturday night rock show - probably
sandwiched between Van Halen and Whitesnake. I was
lucky to hear Alan announce it in advance so I had a
tape ready on a pretty crappy music system. But the
tape has survived...
Alan had to apologise to someone after as TD spoiled
her party mood! The first and only time I have ever
heard Tangerine Dream on the radio.
Was it good? 'Not 'Arf!'
Jonathan.
--- Chris Owen wrote:
> I remember the BBC playing this too Jonathan. I
> happened to be just going
> through the frequencies on my radio (can't recall
> what I was searching for),
> and was amazed to stumbed upon TD! If I remember
> right, it was Alan
> Freeman's show, and you're right, it seems about 10
> years ago to me too.
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Holt
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd
> 'Tangerine Tree'
>
>
> > About 10 years ago BBC Radio1 played a 35min
> excerpt
> > from what I believe is vol9. I hope it was because
> > what I heard (and taped) that night was amazing.
> >
> > Drooling already,
> > Jonathan.
>
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:14
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
you just did. ;-) (Armin also)
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:26 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>
>
> Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree?
>
> Dennis
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:16
pm
Subject: [tree] Tracklist: One concert, one CD / CD set
Hi,
fine collection of concerts. Anyway, I guess it is better not to give up the
'one concert = one CD / CD-set' principle of the first CD-R tree.
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> Subject: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>
> ...
> Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2
> CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
> (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole
> Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR,
> but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st
> gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a
> bonus?
Please do not compile music material from different dates on one CD-R. Not all
of the tree members just put the sets in their collection like a regular CD but
want to use the CD-Rs to complete their chronological collections. Therefore it
is necessary to have each recording on a CD (or two CDs) free of other stuff.
CD-Rs are no longer too expensive to continue with this principle.
> This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes ...
...which would make sense to make a seperate CD-R out of it of course. The
Mannheim recording has to get a break in any way, thus it is will not matter
whether we use 40 + 41 minutes or 70 + 11 minutes or even 79 + 2 minutes...
Peter
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From:
'rugratsfan02 ....'
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:45
am
Subject: setlist request?
Hey all, just a curious question. I recently received a TD show from 2001 with
NO setlist.. Any help here would be appreciated
Tangerine Dream
INferno Bernau
07/10/01
Berlin First Show
Just curious does this full show REALLY fit onto a single Cd, or didn't I get
the full show? I haven't checked it out, got it from a trade, so it's possible
it's in SHN format?
thanks, and peace anyone who can help.
dan
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From:
Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
> Picture Music
This is classic Klaus Schulze.
> Dig It
This is one of my favourites ever, from his digital era.
I've heard it likened to '...a soundtrack to travelling
by aircraft very close to a featureless landscape'.
It's actually much more interesting than that, but I can
see the analogy.
> Body Love
Vol. 2 of this is also one of my favourites ever. 'Nowhere --
Now Here' is transcendent. If this is the other one, it's also
good.
> Dreams
> Trancefer
These two are okay, but a little bit more forgettable. If you
end up liking _Trancefer_, pick up _Dreams_, too. I think
_Trancefer_ is from his digital era, too, and _Dreams_...well,
like I said, I don't really remember this one. Keep mistaking
it for _Mirage_, which is awesome.
MHO's.
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
In a message dated 4/17/02 9:56:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dusty@p... writes:
<< Dreams_...well,
like I said, I don't really remember this one. Keep mistaking
it for _Mirage_, which is awesome.
MHO's.
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk >>
*Dreams is for the most part really good.... buuuut watch out for the vocals
which destroy the last track... quite possibly the worst vocals ever
recorded...
Poly
From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
You mentioned
>quite possibly the worst vocals ever
> recorded...
> Poly
No way.. I got that recording I made for a local band at a gig. How bad was
it? The tape melted twice. Had to go straight to disk. Not to mention I had
to use ear protectors designed for a Fighter Jet to stay near the system.
Just not possible for this to be as bad. Just not possible.
Dale
;-)
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
In a message dated 4/18/2002 12:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
admin@k... writes:
> >quite possibly the worst vocals ever
> > recorded...
> > Poly
> No way.. I got that recording I made for a local band at a gig. How bad was
> it? The tape melted twice. Had to go straight to disk. Not to mention I had
> to use ear protectors designed for a Fighter Jet to stay near the system.
> Just not possible for this to be as bad. Just not possible.
>
> Dale
*LOL!!!
OK, I'll focus a little more... The worst vocals in an EM album... how's
that!
Actually I recorded a friend's song once that had to be just as bad.... we
were crying in the control room... I mean rolling on the floor with tears
coming out of our eyes... Unbelievable... when he stepped out of the
isolation booth and saw us laughing he started up... it wouldn't stop because
I kept hitting replay.... I probably damaged some internal organs from
this...
Poly
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 4:03
pm
Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] inferno review
haha- i'm so gullible.
Joe
P.S. unless you're using some quirky archaic e-mail program, you can change
your e-mail settings to include the original content. e.g. for outlook:
Tools->Options->E-mail Options->When Replying to a Message
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thomas.soucheleau@n...
>
> Damn it! I never have the original message when I click the
> reply button.
> I guess it was from joe shoults. About Siouxsie, it was just
> some kind of private joke...
> The singer on track 17 indeed made me think of a song I can't
> remember the name by siouxsie and the banshees.
>
> thomas.
>
From:
'Alessandro'
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:05
pm
Subject: R: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
I suggest you Body Love . For me is the best, it's my opinion!
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
Inviato: mercoledì 17 aprile 2002 16.46
A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion
times and I apologize for bringing it up again.
I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which
ones to get. Maybe I should get them all.
Picture Music
Dig It
Body Love
Dreams
Trancefer
I picked up Trancefer.
What do you guys suggest?
THANKS!!!
(I also picked up Patrick O'Hearn's Indigo on the cheap and like it very
much. Besides liking the music it gave me a few good musical ideas to
explore. Going to get Eldorado next maybe - also cheap, then move on to
the more recent ones.)
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:11
pm
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze question
You definitely should get them all for that price.
My favourites there are the first three; I never heard Dreams, and Trancefer
is quite good, but unfortunately way too short for a KS album (some 36
minutes!) Picture Music is a classic, with the excellent Totem (and side B,
Mental Door, is also great). If I had to pick one, it would be Picture
Music. But get them all, definitely.
-GJ with Body Love on today's menu (I always bring to work 3-4 albums to
listen to during the day. The others are Tyger and Mapa, by Uakti, a
Brazilian ensemble which builds their own instruments from metal, wood,
glass, plastic, bamboo etc, very original work)
> I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones
to get. Maybe I should get them all.
>
> Picture Music
> Dig It
> Body Love
> Dreams
> Trancefer
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: Re: setlist request?
Yeah, 80 minutes. You can find the tracklist at the TDI page; the music
played in the concert is the same as the music released in the album (please
correct me if necessary, folks.). This has been released as part of the
Tangerine Tree; I believe you'll find a better sound quality in the Tree
version.
GJ
> Tangerine Dream
> INferno Bernau
> Just curious does this full show REALLY fit onto a single Cd, or didn't I get
the full show? I haven't checked it out, got it from a trade, so it's possible
it's in SHN format?
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:33
am
Subject: Re: What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980!
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
> The artwork on the back of 'White Cloths' erroneously states that
track 3
> [45:54] is from a 4PM Afternoon show that day. This is in fact, a
dub of
> the entire Pergamon release, which is a studio creation. Thus far,
no
> recording of the Afternoon show (many have said there WAS no
Afternoon show)
For the record, there definitely were two shows. I have checked this
with Olaf Zimmermann himself. He now runs the weekly ELECTROBEATS
show on Radio Eins, but was working for DT64 before, the GDR station
that broadcast the event. Olaf joined DT64 only in 1981 so he has no
behind-the-scenes information from the 1980 event, however he
confirmed to me in an e-mail that he personally attended the
afternoon show (in the audience).
Personally, I find it very unlikely that we will ever see a recording
of the afternoon show. DT64 surely only recorded the concert they
broadcast (the evening show). And somebody doing an audience
recording in 1980 in East Germany??? For East-Germans, the equipment
simply wasn't available and the risk was probably too high anyway.
At any rate, I have just fired off an email to the 'German Radio
Archive' who claim to have 100.000 hours of radio material from the
GDR in their archives. Let's see if this brings to light any more
information. Who knows, maybe there is a chance to make a copy from
the DT64 master tapes (yeah, keep on DREAMING) ;-)
Arne
From:
Olav Neander
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
Liondream@a... wrote:
>I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones
to get. Maybe I should get them all.
>
Yes :-)
>Picture Music
>Dig It
>Body Love
>Dreams
>Trancefer
>
>I picked up Trancefer.
>
>What do you guys suggest?
>
Body Love 1&2 and Timewind!
Olav
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980!
> At any rate, I have just fired off an email to the 'German Radio
> Archive' who claim to have 100.000 hours of radio material from the
> GDR in their archives. Let's see if this brings to light any more
> information. Who knows, maybe there is a chance to make a copy from
> the DT64 master tapes (yeah, keep on DREAMING) ;-)
Guess I will quit my job and start working for the German Radio Archive
Heiko
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:07
pm
Subject: Name Suggestion
I remember that it was asked a while ago if anyone could name any
yet-unnamed tracks on the Tree. We came up with names for Vol.8 and the main
sets of Vol.1 - but no name for the encore. I've now though up a rather good
(IMHO of course) name:
Indolent Annihilation.
It has sort of a swing in it...
How about?
John Vertical
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From:
'Bruce A. Crichton'
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1311
Message: 14
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:08 -0400
From: Liondream@a...
Subject: Klaus Schulze question
Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times
and I apologize for bringing it up again.
I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones
to get. Maybe I should get them all.
Picture Music
Dig It
Body Love
Dreams
Trancefer
I picked up Trancefer.
What do you guys suggest?
THANKS!!!
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I've got both Body Love and Picture Music and they are excellent
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1311
You want picture music and only the body love that has
the nubile women on the cover.
Wade
--- 'Bruce A. Crichton'
wrote:
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:08 -0400
> From: Liondream@a...
> Subject: Klaus Schulze question
>
> Hey everyone, I know this question must have been
> debated a zillion times
> and I apologize for bringing it up again.
>
> I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each
> and am not sure which ones
> to get. Maybe I should get them all.
>
> Picture Music
> Dig It
> Body Love
> Dreams
> Trancefer
>
> I picked up Trancefer.
>
> What do you guys suggest?
>
> THANKS!!!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
> I've got both Body Love and Picture Music and they
> are excellent
>
>
>
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From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question
>Picture Music
I can recommend that: classic dream music
>Dig It
I have got that one as well. A bit more 'jazzy'.
>Body Love
Perfect!
>Dreams
I don't particularly like it.
>Trancefer
One of my favourites!
>I picked up Trancefer.
Good first choice ;-)
From:
'civance'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:05
am
Subject: IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!!
Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday
and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was
nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel
free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few
hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My
therapist recommends against it. ;o)
Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the
chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier!
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all!
See ya,
Chad
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From:
GCall10692@a...
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony
Hi all
I still have this album and play it one in a great while just to dust
off the turntable, the artwork and story line is kinda neat to check out. I
actually saw it in book form minus the vinyl a couple of yrs. back (is this
worth anything as a collectable item??)
later ....Gary
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From:
Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] new sampler DSOTM
A little bit more information, plus an alternate source (EAR/Rational
is the US distributor for Fax).
http://www.ear-rational.com/AW023.pdf
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 4:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>yes, I wnat to be in there again as well. Though: my source, Conrad,
>has still not come back to me to tell me what to do in return for
>getting the CDs (I assume blanks but I'd love to get this confirmed...)
>
>armin
>
> >
> > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree?
> >
> > Dennis
What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes? I though we just are in
unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore...
John Vertical
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
--- John Vertical wrote:
> What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes?
> I though we just are in
> unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore...
>
> John Vertical
That's what I tought too!!
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:48
am
Subject: Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
Don't forget that we may have new joiners to this group who missed
the first one. Just as there is no other band like TD, there is no
other fan site that I've come across that has people from so many
nations working together for each others benefit like this one.
Keep on Dreaming
Toby
> > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes?
> > I though we just are in
> > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore...
> >
> > John Vertical
>
> That's what I tought too!!
>
> Regards,
> TheInfection
>
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:55
am
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more
If I remember correctly, my LP cover had a note indicating it was the
first ever digital recording. I love it.
> > Dig It
> This is one of my favourites ever, from his digital era.
I have a good quality radio recording of KS live in Brussels in 1980
on tape. If it isn't already around on CDR, I'd be happy to pass the
tape on to a UK based person for remastering etc. If someone has it
on CDR, I'd love to swap for something from my collection.
I also have a tape of a KS concert at the London Planetarium - does
anyone know the date and is that on CDR ?
Regards
Toby
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:20
am
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more
I also have a tape of a KS concert at the London Planetarium - does
anyone know the date and is that on CDR ?
Regards
Toby
It could be from 1977. KS performed at the London Planetarium on April 13
and 14 of that year. 76 minutes of these gigs wound up on Jubilee Edition.
Another KS album that might be of interest is '...live...' This is a double
CD released several years ago om Manikin. It was originally a double LP
released in 1980 and was out-of-print for many years. For the CD release, 20
minutes of music were added. We have a few copies for sale via our Web site
at www.hmnetwork.com.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more
Hi,
...and I can really and warmly recommend KS's ...live... also featuring
Harald Grosskopf on drums and Arthur Brown's vocals on one track
(i.e. on 25% of the album).
Its an absolutely stunning album for everybody who loves 70s electronic
music - whether you love the rhythm sections or the more meditative stuff.
And: its absolutely live - no enhancements, edits, changes.....
armin
>
>
> I also have a tape of a KS concert at the London Planetarium - does
> anyone know the date and is that on CDR ?
>
> Regards
> Toby
>
>
> It could be from 1977. KS performed at the London Planetarium on April 13
> and 14 of that year. 76 minutes of these gigs wound up on Jubilee Edition.
>
> Another KS album that might be of interest is '...live...' This is a double
> CD released several years ago om Manikin. It was originally a double LP
> released in 1980 and was out-of-print for many years. For the CD release, 20
> minutes of music were added. We have a few copies for sale via our Web site
> at www.hmnetwork.com.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave Kaufman
> Horizon Music, Inc.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:11
pm
Subject: apoligies...
Hi,
I'm afraid that in a recent email I created the entirely wrong
impression that my TD Tree CD provider - Conrad - was 'unreliable' -
what I said was that I was still waiting for a message from him
telling me what to do in return for the delivery of CDs. That went
more or less by accident to this list instead privately to him.
Let me put this straight: He is *very* reliable, I was one of the
first having the CDs. What was no problem neither for me nor for
him was that some time passed until I knew whether I should send
him blank CDs or money or chocolate or whatever. This, btw, due
to the fact that he moved house. So he is not even pushing for his
(non-profit) exchange return.
So apologies to Conrad. Buy you a pint when we meet again somewhere
for TD in London or Joe Satriani in Dublin or Cliff Richard in...
(damn, that shouldn't go here either.... ;-) ) or wherever for
whatever reason...
cheers
armin
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
The reason that everyone is having to 'opt in' for TT2 all over again is:
Without everybody having completed their trades, how would I know that
everybody on the TT1 list is even still with us? Some people have dropped
out of TT1. They are welcome to return, but there may be people who just
don't want to be in TT2 for whatever reasons.
In short, I'd be making a big assumption. e.g. what if you happen to not
like 1990's TD, and an upcoming tree is mostly 1990's stuff?
I'm sending out an 'official' TT2 participation invitation shortly. You
can reply to that, and inside it I'll include a link to reply if you are a
PERMANENT TREE PARTICIPANT, or JUST FOR TT2 PARTICIPANT, and I'll track it.
How's that? once you're permanent, you'll have to let us know to remove you
from that status. I don't want to overcomplicate it, but this will save a
lot of effort in the future for each new tree project. It's only one more
e-mail for you, but a lot more work for me personally to do it this way, but
it will pay off starting with TT3.
With TT1, we learned a few things, and we're not trying to pretend we are
experts at executing this tree process yet. It's not rocket science, but
involves attention to details, and we're trying to iron out the 'best
practices' to handle them. It is an ongoing thing, so your feedback is
welcome and appreciated.
The TT2 invitation will probably clarify the rest of your questions
regarding TT2, so I'll stop this missive here, and finish that one.
OH- and one more thing: we used the '[tree]' subject marker pretty well
during discussions of the tree. Please try to remember to use '[TT2]' to
refer to this second edition of the tree. It's not a huge deal, but it
makes sense from a future data use standpoint. (searchability, reindexing,
etc.)
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: braddito [mailto:toby.braddick@u...]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:48 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>
>
> Don't forget that we may have new joiners to this group who missed
> the first one. Just as there is no other band like TD, there is no
> other fan site that I've come across that has people from so many
> nations working together for each others benefit like this one.
>
> Keep on Dreaming
> Toby
>
> > > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes?
> > > I though we just are in
> > > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore...
> > >
> > > John Vertical
> >
> > That's what I tought too!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > TheInfection
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:16
pm
Subject: RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
ME! ME! ME! Put me on the list too!
Roger Hartopp
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:14:55 -0400
From: Joe Shoults
Subject: RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
you just did. ;-) (Armin also)
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:26 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>
>
> Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree?
>
> Dennis
--
Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie!
[ http://oferty.onet.pl ]
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:32
pm
Subject: invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2)
~ If you are on the tadream list AND TT1, you will receive this message
twice. ~
I would LIKE to automatically include everybody from TT1 in TT2, but it is
necessary for you to officially 'opt in' to TT2 by simply sending an e-mail
to the following address with your participation details:
IF YOU ARE OPTING-IN TO TT2 *ONLY* AT THIS TIME:
mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=TT2-ONLY_OPT-IN
IF YOU WISH TO BE A PERMANENT TREE PARTICIPANT ONGOING:
mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=PERMANENT_TREE_OPT-IN
I set up my e-mail filters to automatically route incoming messages with
'TT-ONLY' and 'PERMANENT_TREE' appropriately.
Please include the following details:
*subject line must include 'TT2-yes' (so it gets properly filtered)
* full name
* country
* e-mail address
* format preference: SHN or Redbook
* if SHN, can download SHNs online (fast internet connection): yes or no
* Leaf or Branch
* if Branch, how many leaves will you support? (please carefully consider
your ability to branch, see #4 below)
--------------------------------------------
There are a couple of points about TT2 that you should know as a
participant:
1) we are changing the way we structure the tree to optimize speed of
distribution.
- instead of spreading branching duties to as many people as possible,
more duty will be concentrated on branches with fast turnaround capacity.
- Heiko is still 'Level 0' of the tree
- more US and non-EU branches will be on Level 1 this time
- SHN files will be available for download ASAP, probably before
official Level 1 release date.
2) better branch support
- online step-by-step tutorials for burning procedures
- template for tracking trades
3) branch line/trade partners
- it is highly unlikely that you will have the same assigned branch
line/trading partners for TT2. (For TT3 you may be able to pick your own
branches, BTW)
- your trade status for TT1 is completely irrelevant to TT2. consider
this a whole new process. If you have uncompleted trades, this is none of
our business and does not impact TT2 in any way.
4) TT2 will contain 15 Redbook CDRs. TT1 contained 10. Please consider
this when indicating how many leaves you will support.
thanks to all!
Joe
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] apoligies...
Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same
reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to say
that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'!
Paul
le 19/04/02 15:11, Armin Theissen à Armin.Theissen@s... a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm afraid that in a recent email I created the entirely wrong
> impression that my TD Tree CD provider - Conrad - was 'unreliable' -
> what I said was that I was still waiting for a message from him
> telling me what to do in return for the delivery of CDs. That went
> more or less by accident to this list instead privately to him.
>
> Let me put this straight: He is *very* reliable, I was one of the
> first having the CDs. What was no problem neither for me nor for
> him was that some time passed until I knew whether I should send
> him blank CDs or money or chocolate or whatever. This, btw, due
> to the fact that he moved house. So he is not even pushing for his
> (non-profit) exchange return.
>
> So apologies to Conrad. Buy you a pint when we meet again somewhere
> for TD in London or Joe Satriani in Dublin or Cliff Richard in...
> (damn, that shouldn't go here either.... ;-) ) or wherever for
> whatever reason...
>
> cheers
>
> armin
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
> SUN Microsystems Ireland
>
> 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
> - Woody Allen
>
>
>
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>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
permanent or TT2-only?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:16 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>
>
> ME! ME! ME! Put me on the list too!
>
> Roger Hartopp
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:14:55 -0400
> From: Joe Shoults
> Subject: RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
>
> you just did. ;-) (Armin also)
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:26 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
> >
> >
> > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree?
> >
> > Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie!
> [ http://oferty.onet.pl ]
>
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2)
Joe Shoults wrote:
> 4) TT2 will contain 15 Redbook CDRs.
And how many SHN CDRs? I might try SHN this time if the number of CDRs
is significantly lower.
Antonio
np: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - I love those 'wildlife sounds' in the
beginning of track #1 :-)
From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
For those who care....
Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the Miami Vice Complete
Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1 contains all of the
previously released tunes, though some have never been on CD. CD2
contains completely unreleased material!
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tree] Tracklist: One concert, one CD / CD set
Peter, it's easy enough to split the Saarbrucken concert off the disc
when you run your own 'personal listening' version off. Just keep the
original joined version in your safe file.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> fine collection of concerts. Anyway, I guess it is better not to
give up the
> 'one concert = one CD / CD-set' principle of the first CD-R tree.
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!!
I'm there at the moment, it's Friday evening here in cold and rainy (at the
moment) France, there's nothing on telly & I've got a bit of time on my
hands...
Damn this time difference, there's no-one there!
> Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday
> and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was
> nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel
> free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few
> hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My
> therapist recommends against it. ;o)
>
> Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the
> chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier!
>
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
>
> Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all!
>
> See ya,
> Chad
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!!
3 pm my time here in Southern Ca. I am still at work, IRC a no no here.
Yea the time zone thing is a pain but if we all lived in the same time zone,
I fear we might not be so friendly. The overcrowding would be a bother.
Dale
;-)
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Fellows'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!!
> I'm there at the moment, it's Friday evening here in cold and rainy (at
the
> moment) France, there's nothing on telly & I've got a bit of time on my
> hands...
>
> Damn this time difference, there's no-one there!
>
> > Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday
> > and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was
> > nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel
> > free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few
> > hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My
> > therapist recommends against it. ;o)
> >
> > Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the
> > chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier!
> >
> > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
> >
> > Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all!
> >
> > See ya,
> > Chad
>
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:27
pm
Subject: (off topic) Maroubra bay)
After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this
track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest
musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king)
Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
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Maroubra bay - Epsilon live 1975 ?
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2)
the number of SHN disks = roughly half the number of Redbook disks, probably
only 7-8 SHN disks as compared to 15 Redbooks. not 100% sure yet tho.
SHN crunches a wav file down to about 1/2 size.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:50 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2)
>
>
>
> Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> > 4) TT2 will contain 15 Redbook CDRs.
>
> And how many SHN CDRs? I might try SHN this time if the number of CDRs
> is significantly lower.
>
> Antonio
>
> np: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - I love those 'wildlife sounds' in the
> beginning of track #1 :-)
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] apoligies...
As one of his leaves, I too can vouch for Conrad's reliability in doing the
tree CDRs quickly, and for keeping me in touch during every step of the
process. I have known him since the 1990 UK tour, and there aren't many
people I would prefer to have 'above' me in the tree.
Thanks Conrad!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Armin Theissen
To:
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:11 AM
Subject: [tadream] apoligies...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm afraid that in a recent email I created the entirely wrong
> impression that my TD Tree CD provider - Conrad - was 'unreliable' -
> what I said was that I was still waiting for a message from him
> telling me what to do in return for the delivery of CDs. That went
> more or less by accident to this list instead privately to him.
>
> Let me put this straight: He is *very* reliable, I was one of the
> first having the CDs. What was no problem neither for me nor for
> him was that some time passed until I knew whether I should send
> him blank CDs or money or chocolate or whatever. This, btw, due
> to the fact that he moved house. So he is not even pushing for his
> (non-profit) exchange return.
>
> So apologies to Conrad. Buy you a pint when we meet again somewhere
> for TD in London or Joe Satriani in Dublin or Cliff Richard in...
> (damn, that shouldn't go here either.... ;-) ) or wherever for
> whatever reason...
>
> cheers
>
> armin
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
In a message dated 4/19/02 4:15:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
convention24@y... writes:
<< After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this
track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest
musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king)
Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). >>
*I consider Epsilon one of the finest moments of the TD camp... Kind of an
anomaly though nothing else comes close (Except Mysterious strands of Phaedra)
I wish more albums were made in this style.....
Poly
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:13
pm
Subject: Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
--- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> The reason that everyone is having to 'opt in' for TT2 all over
again is:
>
> Without everybody having completed their trades, how would I know
that
> everybody on the TT1 list is even still with us? Some people have
dropped
> out of TT1. They are welcome to return, but there may be people
who just
> don't want to be in TT2 for whatever reasons.
>
> In short, I'd be making a big assumption. e.g. what if you happen
to not
> like 1990's TD, and an upcoming tree is mostly 1990's stuff?
>
> I'm sending out an 'official' TT2 participation invitation
shortly. You
> can reply to that, and inside it I'll include a link to reply if
you are a
I must echo the sentiments of Toby,thjere is no other band like
Tangerine Dream,PROBABLY the GREATEST of all time.
Best regards CJ
> PERMANENT TREE PARTICIPANT, or JUST FOR TT2 PARTICIPANT, and I'll
track it.
> How's that? once you're permanent, you'll have to let us know to
remove you
> from that status. I don't want to overcomplicate it, but this will
save a
> lot of effort in the future for each new tree project. It's only
one more
> e-mail for you, but a lot more work for me personally to do it this
way, but
> it will pay off starting with TT3.
>
> With TT1, we learned a few things, and we're not trying to pretend
we are
> experts at executing this tree process yet. It's not rocket
science, but
> involves attention to details, and we're trying to iron out
the 'best
> practices' to handle them. It is an ongoing thing, so your
feedback is
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> The TT2 invitation will probably clarify the rest of your questions
> regarding TT2, so I'll stop this missive here, and finish that one.
>
> OH- and one more thing: we used the '[tree]' subject marker pretty
well
> during discussions of the tree. Please try to remember to
use '[TT2]' to
> refer to this second edition of the tree. It's not a huge deal,
but it
> makes sense from a future data use standpoint. (searchability,
reindexing,
> etc.)
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: braddito [mailto:toby.braddick@u...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:48 AM
> > To: tadream@y...
> > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree'
> >
> >
> > Don't forget that we may have new joiners to this group who
missed
> > the first one. Just as there is no other band like TD, there is
no
> > other fan site that I've come across that has people from so many
> > nations working together for each others benefit like this one.
> >
> > Keep on Dreaming
> > Toby
> >
> > > > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes?
> > > > I though we just are in
> > > > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore...
> > > >
> > > > John Vertical
> > >
> > > That's what I tought too!!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > TheInfection
From:
'Vincent Goudreault'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:12
am
Subject: Conrad is a great guy!
Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all
his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on
getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that
he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff)
but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing
(kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and
thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal.
C.B.Vincent Goudreault
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200
> From: Paul Fellows
> Subject: Re: apoligies...
>
> Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same
> reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to
say
> that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'!
>
> Paul
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From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
Do I detect a CB diehard as well as TD?
Like minded ,Chris (fast'n bulbous)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'convention24'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:27 PM
Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
> After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this
> track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest
> musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king)
> Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
> Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
>
>
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:57
am
Subject: OT : Jan Hammer and Colleagues
Now, the release of the complete Miami Vice soundtrack is the kind of good news
I've been waiting for many years.
I checked out his web site and well, I knew he'd been working with Jeff Beck
but I had never heard about David Gilmour, Eddie Van Halen or even Ringo Starr!
Man, this guy worked with just about any name in the business or what?
thomas.
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
I like this track too, but I prefer the title track. Aqua is lovely too. These
records have a texture and subtlety that few others come close to.
Dennis
On 19 Apr 2002 at 22:27, convention24 wrote:
> After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this
> track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest
> musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king)
> Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
> Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
>
>
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From:
'Robert Wear'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1314
Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
Gee, I thought you were a captain?
RWear
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 2:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
This c.d. was originally Japanese import that
disappeared very fast from the shelves. It totally
blows away the previous MCA single disc releases. And
by the way no pop music. Horray!!!
Wade
--- goozergrafx wrote:
> For those who care....
>
> Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the Miami
> Vice Complete
> Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1
> contains all of the
> previously released tunes, though some have never
> been on CD. CD2
> contains completely unreleased material!
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: [TT2] tree database update
I expected a spike in tree database updates, so i've held off updating it
for a few days. i'm going to give it another day for the majority of
responses to come in then i'll update the database with the TT@
participants' info. keep 'em coming!
FYI the yahoogorups database is no more.
reference the one at http://www.tadream.net/tree
Joe
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
I FEEL THE NEED.........................
THE NEED FOR A GROUP-HUG..............................
=O)
hehe...........sorry!!!!, couldn't resist...............(no harm was intended)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:12 AM
Subject: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
> Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all
> his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on
> getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that
> he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff)
> but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing
> (kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and
> thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal.
>
>
> C.B.Vincent Goudreault
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200
> > From: Paul Fellows
> > Subject: Re: apoligies...
> >
> > Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same
> > reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to
> say
> > that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'!
> >
> > Paul
>
>
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
On Thursday night I just laid back on the couch (after
watching Survivor..of course) and listened to Aqua all
the way through. It is a tremendous album - very
beautiful and never dull.
--- Dennis Nigbur
wrote:
> I like this track too, but I prefer the title track.
> Aqua is lovely too. These
> records have a texture and subtlety that few others
> come close to.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2002 at 22:27, convention24 wrote:
>
> > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant
> help but feel this
> > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is
> this man the finest
> > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this
> is Edgar(the king)
> > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
> > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER
> KING).
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
Olav Neander
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: Franke in Norwegian commercial
I just found that Christopher Franke's 'Silence Of The Eclipse' is the
music in the TV commercial for the Norwegian mineral water 'Farris'!
:-)
Olav
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay)
--- In tadream@y..., 'Janet Wojtecki' wrote:
> Do I detect a CB diehard as well as TD?
>
> Like minded ,Chris (fast'n bulbous)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'convention24'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:27 PM
> Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
>
>
> > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel
this
> > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the
finest
> > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the
king)
> > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
> > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
> >Hello Janet
Certainly do love the Great Captain,just been to visit(the sheriff of
hong kong)while (making love to a vampire with a monkey on my knee).
Only the DON could do it. Best regards CJ.
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay)
Enough of this Ella Guru,
I'll contact you off list
Regards Chis
----- Original Message -----
From: 'convention24'
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:42 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay)
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Janet Wojtecki' wrote:
> > Do I detect a CB diehard as well as TD?
> >
> > Like minded ,Chris (fast'n bulbous)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'convention24'
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:27 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay)
> >
> >
> > > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel
> this
> > > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the
> finest
> > > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the
> king)
> > > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
> > > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
> > >Hello Janet
> Certainly do love the Great Captain,just been to visit(the sheriff of
> hong kong)while (making love to a vampire with a monkey on my knee).
> Only the DON could do it. Best regards CJ.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
>
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From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
??? Uhhhh...no, I don't think so. This is an entirely new release, as
there could not have been a 'Japanese Import' of tracks that weren't
recorded and mastered until now. According to Jan, he didn't finish
the recording and mastering of the stuff on CD2 until the beginning of
this year.
There *have* been 2 'best of' compilations from Europe that came out
over a decade ago, but both contained previously released score music
and pop tunes. I've never seen, let alone heard of, a Japanese
compilation. And I've been collecting Jan Hammer longer than I've been
collecting TD (22+ years.)
Are you related to Mr. Feldman? ;)
--- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon wrote:
> This c.d. was originally Japanese import that
> disappeared very fast from the shelves. It totally
> blows away the previous MCA single disc releases. And
> by the way no pop music. Horray!!!
>
> Wade
> --- goozergrafx wrote:
> > For those who care....
> >
> > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the Miami
> > Vice Complete
> > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1
> > contains all of the
> > previously released tunes, though some have never
> > been on CD. CD2
> > contains completely unreleased material!
> >
> >
> >
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> > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y...
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> >
>
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From:
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:11
am
Subject: Rising runner 7' promo on ebay
Hello,
I have on ebay following Tangerine Dream item on auction:
Rising runner missed by endless sender / Bend cold sidewalk
Promo Release Spain 1978 on Virgin 0087(white labels)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861523701
Starting price: US $ 1
Regards
heiko
www.opticaldream.de
(Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage)
www.tribute-to-ashra.de (Ashra Fan Homepage)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter (Ashra Newsletter)
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 5:58
pm
Subject: [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment
http://www.tadream.net/tree
all TT2 and permanent requests and TT1 'received' notices posted as of right
now.
JOe
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: Rising runner 7' promo on ebay
Hello,
We have the lyrics to Rising runner and Bent Cold Sidewalk on our Web site at
www.hmnetwork.com under the Steve Jolliffe bio.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
>
> Hello,
>
> I have on ebay following Tangerine Dream item on auction:
>
> Rising runner missed by endless sender / Bend cold sidewalk
> Promo Release Spain 1978 on Virgin 0087(white labels)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861523701
>
> Starting price: US $ 1
>
> Regards
> heiko
> www.opticaldream.de
> (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage)
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
This is the exact same two disc set that came out in
Japan about two years ago. It even has the same
cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at
Best Buy.
Wade
--- goozergrafx wrote:
> ??? Uhhhh...no, I don't think so. This is an
> entirely new release, as
> there could not have been a 'Japanese Import' of
> tracks that weren't
> recorded and mastered until now. According to Jan,
> he didn't finish
> the recording and mastering of the stuff on CD2
> until the beginning of
> this year.
>
> There *have* been 2 'best of' compilations from
> Europe that came out
> over a decade ago, but both contained previously
> released score music
> and pop tunes. I've never seen, let alone heard of,
> a Japanese
> compilation. And I've been collecting Jan Hammer
> longer than I've been
> collecting TD (22+ years.)
>
> Are you related to Mr. Feldman? ;)
>
> --- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon
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> > This c.d. was originally Japanese import that
> > disappeared very fast from the shelves. It
> totally
> > blows away the previous MCA single disc releases.
> And
> > by the way no pop music. Horray!!!
> >
> > Wade
> > --- goozergrafx wrote:
> > > For those who care....
> > >
> > > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the
> Miami
> > > Vice Complete
> > > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1
> > > contains all of the
> > > previously released tunes, though some have
> never
> > > been on CD. CD2
> > > contains completely unreleased material!
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:02
am
Subject: Maroubra bay - Epsilon live 1975 ?
I was listening to the Glasgow 1975 recording recently and I'm sure
that track 2 includes a chunk of Epsilon. Am I imagining it or can
someone else confirm it as it seems a strange piece for the three of
them to be performing.
Toby
PS I'm still looking for Epsilon on CD as it seems to be long
deleted - strange as it's possibly one of the most beautiful albums
ever released. If anyone can guide me to a copy I'd be very grateful.
--- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote:
> After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this
> track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the
finest
> musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the
king)
> Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time.
> Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING).
From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:51
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
Hi folks,
Thanks for the kind words everyone and sorry for my lack of e-mails. Having
just completed my 2nd house move in 18 months I'm sure many of you know what
that can be like, and how other things take a back seat for a while.
Anyway, those cdrs for Dreamwatchers' Tales Fable II will be winging their way
to you guys this week I hope.
TD Snippet: While examining recent TD T-shirts I noticed that they seem to be
made here in Ireland - a mere 30 minutes from where I live! (In Buncrana, Co.
Donegal, Ireland).
OK, back to work for me!
Adios,
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Goudreault [mailto:vgoudreault@v...]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:13 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all
his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on
getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that
he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff)
but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing
(kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and
thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal.
C.B.Vincent Goudreault
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200
> From: Paul Fellows
> Subject: Re: apoligies...
>
> Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same
> reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to
say
> that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'!
>
> Paul
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From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:00
am
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
Hi Conrad,
Glad to hear from you again. I hope all is well with your house-moving.
As you mentioned the country of origin of the TD T-shirt, that reminds me that
the little Tyranny Of Beauty promo mirror from Miramar (white case and little
mirror with yellow lettering) was in fact manufactured from Hong Kong ;-) I
remembered the words were on the back of the mirror somewhere...
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
Date: Mon Apr 22 16:51:05 HKT 2002
Hi folks,
Thanks for the kind words everyone and sorry for my lack of e-mails. Having
just completed my 2nd house move in 18 months I'm sure many of you know what
that can be like, and how other things take a back seat for a while.
Anyway, those cdrs for Dreamwatchers' Tales Fable II will be winging their way
to you guys this week I hope.
TD Snippet: While examining recent TD T-shirts I noticed that they seem to be
made here in Ireland - a mere 30 minutes from where I live! (In Buncrana, Co.
Donegal, Ireland).
OK, back to work for me!
Adios,
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Goudreault [mailto:vgoudreault@v...]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:13 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy!
Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all
his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on
getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that
he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff)
but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing
(kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and
thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal.
C.B.Vincent Goudreault
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200
> From: Paul Fellows
> Subject: Re: apoligies...
>
> Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same
> reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to
say
> that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'!
>
> Paul
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 12:14
pm
Subject: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore' in Hamburg named
SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was looking for TD & Schulze
stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the 'Rock/Pop' section.
But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes Schmoelling and Ashra.
I gave up and was already walking towards the exit when suddenly I
noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator, and among such
'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation Vol.2' I found two
Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two albums by 'Ash Ra
Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new age-y about tracks
like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-)
Those people who were responsible for categorizing the music should be
punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts five times in a row!!
Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that J.Schmoelling or
Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve much more attention
and care (guess I will visit the store again tomorrow and will put them
to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-)
Regards
Heiko
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
As the New Age fad came on it eventually supplanted
the EM sections entirely and unfortunately the lesser
knows (promoted) EM started to disappear. TD was one
of the few that had the staying power but it annoyed
me to see them in New Age, they are closer to rock
than New Age (imho). I had several debates with shop
owners on this and finally gave up.
The other day I went into and HMV and I thought I was
over it but there, filed right behind Tangerine Dream,
was John Tesh. Another inclusion in New Age that
boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal
favorite). There were plenty more like this as well.
Maybe I can become an EM terrorist and surreptitiously
relocate their discs to a more appropriate section. A
lot of stores now have 'Electroncica' sections which
are quite huge and divided up into a myriad of
sub-genres - maybe they can consider a slice of that
section for more traditional EM. Though what's
traditional?
Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group.
If you ran a record store, where would you file TD?
-rock
-new age
-electronic
-experimental
The same question could be asked on where you most
frequently find them filed.
-DanD
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore'
> in Hamburg named
> SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was
> looking for TD & Schulze
> stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the
> 'Rock/Pop' section.
> But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes
> Schmoelling and Ashra.
> I gave up and was already walking towards the exit
> when suddenly I
> noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator,
> and among such
> 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation
> Vol.2' I found two
> Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two
> albums by 'Ash Ra
> Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new
> age-y about tracks
> like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-)
>
> Those people who were responsible for categorizing
> the music should be
> punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts
> five times in a row!!
> Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that
> J.Schmoelling or
> Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve
> much more attention
> and care (guess I will visit the store again
> tomorrow and will put them
> to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-)
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
hi,
...and generally I think there are far too many sections in
record stores today. If you're not sure where to look you may
have to search four of five sections to find an artist.
Joe Satriani lives a hybrid existence between Rock/Pop and Heavy.
And then it also depends on the country you're in. I've seen
TD under Jazz in Spain. Ireland files Philip Glass under
'classic contemporal' (A subsection of a section!) and
elsewhere I found it under Jazz or Pop, too. Haven't seen any
Aziza Mustafa Zadeh here recently - they might have moved it
to 'World'. This World section is funny anyway. Belfast's
HMV puts Eros Ramazotti under 'World Italian'. You could just
as well open a 'World USA' section with Bruce Springsteen in it.
A shop in Sydney I've been in had all those Bavarian beer-drinking
songs under 'World German' - gosh, how do they see us germans
down-under? Better put Tangerine Dream there....
One section, however, I really appreciated. That was 'Rarities'
in 'Madrid Rock' in which I immediately found TD's 'live improvised'.
;-)
armin
>
> As the New Age fad came on it eventually supplanted
> the EM sections entirely and unfortunately the lesser
> knows (promoted) EM started to disappear. TD was one
> of the few that had the staying power but it annoyed
> me to see them in New Age, they are closer to rock
> than New Age (imho). I had several debates with shop
> owners on this and finally gave up.
>
> The other day I went into and HMV and I thought I was
> over it but there, filed right behind Tangerine Dream,
> was John Tesh. Another inclusion in New Age that
> boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal
> favorite). There were plenty more like this as well.
>
> Maybe I can become an EM terrorist and surreptitiously
> relocate their discs to a more appropriate section. A
> lot of stores now have 'Electroncica' sections which
> are quite huge and divided up into a myriad of
> sub-genres - maybe they can consider a slice of that
> section for more traditional EM. Though what's
> traditional?
>
> Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group.
> If you ran a record store, where would you file TD?
>
> -rock
> -new age
> -electronic
> -experimental
>
> The same question could be asked on where you most
> frequently find them filed.
>
> -DanD
>
> --- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> > During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore'
> > in Hamburg named
> > SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was
> > looking for TD & Schulze
> > stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the
> > 'Rock/Pop' section.
> > But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes
> > Schmoelling and Ashra.
> > I gave up and was already walking towards the exit
> > when suddenly I
> > noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator,
> > and among such
> > 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation
> > Vol.2' I found two
> > Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two
> > albums by 'Ash Ra
> > Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new
> > age-y about tracks
> > like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-)
> >
> > Those people who were responsible for categorizing
> > the music should be
> > punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts
> > five times in a row!!
> > Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that
> > J.Schmoelling or
> > Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve
> > much more attention
> > and care (guess I will visit the store again
> > tomorrow and will put them
> > to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-)
> >
> > Regards
> > Heiko
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Dan Downey wrote:
> Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group.
> If you ran a record store, where would you file TD?
It depends on the album. For example:
-rock:
Cyclone
-new age:
The Seven Letters from Tibet
-electronic:
Rubycon
-experimental:
Zeit
Personally I don't have anything against the label 'New Age'. As in
other genres, there is bad New Age and good New Age. And some TD albums,
like 7 Letters or Inferno are good New Age (IMHO).
Antonio
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 2:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> This World section is funny anyway. Belfast's
> HMV puts Eros Ramazotti under 'World Italian'.
I've bought a few Klaus Schulze albums (Irrlicht, Picture Music,
Timewind) in a Portuguese store specialized in World Music. Go figure!
Antonio
From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:06
pm
Subject: Re: Where to file TD Poll
Hi, Dan!
>Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group.
>If you ran a record store, where would you file TD?
>
>-rock
>-new age
>-electronic
>-experimental
>
>The same question could be asked on where you most
>frequently find them filed.
I would file TD under EM (even though many albums would be better
classified elsewhere), but I always find them under New Age...
...Utch
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment
Hi Herbert-
Yes, this is correct. 'DOWN' means they have broadband download
capabilities. The receiving format is SHN, as download instead of snail
mail.
So there are 3 format choices:
REDBOOK = snail mail
SHN = snail mail
DOWN = SHN via download
'HOST' means you can host the SHN files for FTP download for others.
We currently have 20 DOWN people to download files from 4 HOSTS. Of these
20 DOWNs, 12 are branches, accomodating 51 leaves! DOWN people are in a
position to be among the first to receive their files, and as such are
valuable resources as branches. Also note that anyone conducting a DOWN
trade may not have to deal with shipping and postage; they may be able to
conduct the entire trade electronically, if these are the agreed-upon terms
for both parties.
Some people who can DOWN can't HOST or branch. This is, of course,
perfectly OK.
JOe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Herbert [mailto:gae@g...]
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:15 PM
> To: 'Joe Shoults'
> Subject: AW: [tadream] [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment
>
>
> Hi Joe,
> i've just checked the database.
> I've seen 2 columns i could not understand at the moment:
> a) B/L has a 3rd alternative 'HOST'
> b) the format column includes 'DOWN'
> If it's possible i would prefer to download the files (I also
> accept (snail)
> mail :))) )
> My major drawback is my ADSL upstream (128 kbit - the
> downstream 700 and
> some kbit is okay)
>
> Thanks
> Herbert
>
>
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. April 2002 19:59
> > An: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > Betreff: [tadream] [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment
> >
> >
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > all TT2 and permanent requests and TT1 'received' notices
> > posted as of right
> > now.
> >
> > JOe
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From:
Liquid Universe
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 12:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!!
> Uhhh...is that supposed to be going on right now? if it is...seems i'm the
> only
one in there right now.
>
> >
> > > Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday
> > > and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was
> > > nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel
> > > free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few
> > > hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My
> > > therapist recommends against it. ;o)
> > >
> > > Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the
> > > chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier!
> > >
> > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
> > >
> > > Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all!
> > >
> > > See ya,
> > > Chad
> >
> >
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Back in the 80s...when i was a kid growing up in Florida, the local record
shop (Camelot Music), also had a very bad habit of placing EM in the worng
sections.
The 1st time I went into one of their stores, TD was found in the Rock
section........a few months later...in Jazz.......my next
trip....Classical......and, finally...after several months, something
hapened.....they actually put an EM section in their stores!
Since i've been here i Canada for the last 2.5 yrs....I noticed HMV (lame
excuse for a CD shop), has been methodically destroying my lifeline to good
music...including TD (they've only had the same 2 CDs in there for the last
yr)...they ditched Steve Roach all together.....while their supply of
lame-ass pop crap continues to expand.
U.S. imports cost 2.5 times what I would pay in the states...and that's if
they decide they want to special order the stuff.
=========================================================
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore' in Hamburg named
> SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was looking for TD & Schulze
> stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the 'Rock/Pop' section.
> But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes Schmoelling and Ashra.
> I gave up and was already walking towards the exit when suddenly I
> noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator, and among such
> 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation Vol.2' I found two
> Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two albums by 'Ash Ra
> Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new age-y about tracks
> like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-)
>
> Those people who were responsible for categorizing the music should be
> punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts five times in a row!!
> Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that J.Schmoelling or
> Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve much more attention
> and care (guess I will visit the store again tomorrow and will put them
> to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-)
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
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From:
Liquid Universe
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:05
pm
Subject: Petition to bring TD to Toronto
Hey everyone......new to the list, here....big TD fan, too.
Anyway, i'm starting a petition to try and bring TD to The Great White
North.
Any and all Canadian TD fans...or all fans for that matter, are
encouraged to
go to my webpage, and sign the petition:
http://www.execulink.com/~liquiduniverse/
Let's show TD that the U.K. and Europe aren't the only places they want
to
be seen and heard.
*radiowaves*
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
I've seen TD not under too many categories... Every shop here where I've
even found any of their albums lists them under 'progressive rock' with the
exception of a lone sighting of Phaedra under something like 'Cheap Stuff'.
(Of course I bought it.)
Prog is an OK category up to Tangram, but I'd move the latter 80s albums
under Electronic, most of the 90s albums under Rock, and the most recent
under New Age...
I can uderstand the shopkeepers filings in most cases; but illogicalities
like labeling Oxygene as Pop while still having GC under Progressive Rock is
not explainable by anything other than that they first decide what genre a
musican is, and then they put all of his / hers / their albums there. I
guess that explains most of these - and would you rather like browsing all
those 4-5 sections only once per shop, or everytime you visit the place?
But one thing I just can't understand is, how can anyone label TD as Jazz?
Even thought stuff like Ricochet may be improvised, it's _not_ jazz.
Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic?
John Vertical
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From:
John McIntyre
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
John Vertical wrote:
> Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic?
That's what Downbeat said about _Bitches Brew_. (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that
> boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal
> favorite).'
Yeah I like that too.
Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts of
different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD under
'World' section too.
David
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From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:45
pm
Subject: Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Hi all,
If you go to the Paris La Defense record stores, you'll find TD
under 'Relaxation' in the Virgin megastore (with its own place marker
too and the same three CDs for the last X months). In the Fnac store
they are under 'New Age' (again with own place marker but no CDs)
which is in the Classical section!
What I find is that when you ask for help, most record assistants
say 'Who?!?'
What reactions do others get?
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote:
> Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that
> > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal
> > favorite).'
>
> Yeah I like that too.
>
> Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts
of
> different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD
under
> 'World' section too.
>
> David
From:
'dreamstogo'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:46
pm
Subject: Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Hi all,
If you go to the Paris La Defense record stores, you'll find TD
under 'Relaxation' in the Virgin megastore (with its own place marker
too and the same three CDs for the last X months). In the Fnac store
they are under 'New Age' (again with own place marker but no CDs)
which is in the Classical section!
What I find is that when you ask for help, most record assistants
say 'Who?!?'
What reactions do others get?
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote:
> Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that
> > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal
> > favorite).'
>
> Yeah I like that too.
>
> Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts
of
> different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD
under
> 'World' section too.
>
> David
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
> John Vertical wrote:
>
> > Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic?
HUH?
Well then shouldn't Blues be non-electronic too? How about classical? or
Barber Quartet etc?
Does Electronic mean no amps? mixers? effects? or is this a keyboard/synth
term?
This is much fertile ground to ponder.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John McIntyre'
To:
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
> John Vertical wrote:
>
> > Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic?
>
> That's what Downbeat said about _Bitches Brew_. (-8
>
> John McIntyre
> Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
> Michigan State University
> mcintyre@p...
>
>
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From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:36
pm
Subject: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
Sorry...gonna need *WAY* more proof than that. Especially since there
is *NO* record of any such release in Japan, let alone anywhere else!
Had such a release occured, I assure you I would've heard about it, as
I regularly search(ed) not only import distributors/retailers here,
but also European/Japanese retailers *and* collectors as well. Seeing
as none of the hardcore Hammer collectors have ever heard of this
'release' and, again, Jan *himself* said he didn't complete the new
tracks until late last year and the record company (OneWay) stated
that they didn't finish the booklet until last month, I think you are
mistaken about what you saw.
But if you want to continue to press your claim, go right ahead. I'm
done...unless and until the person who bought this item steps forward.
Along with his copy of 'The Keep' LP. ;)
--- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon wrote:
> This is the exact same two disc set that came out in
> Japan about two years ago. It even has the same
> cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at
> Best Buy.
>
> Wade
> --- goozergrafx wrote:
> > ??? Uhhhh...no, I don't think so. This is an
> > entirely new release, as
> > there could not have been a 'Japanese Import' of
> > tracks that weren't
> > recorded and mastered until now. According to Jan,
> > he didn't finish
> > the recording and mastering of the stuff on CD2
> > until the beginning of
> > this year.
> >
> > There *have* been 2 'best of' compilations from
> > Europe that came out
> > over a decade ago, but both contained previously
> > released score music
> > and pop tunes. I've never seen, let alone heard of,
> > a Japanese
> > compilation. And I've been collecting Jan Hammer
> > longer than I've been
> > collecting TD (22+ years.)
> >
> > Are you related to Mr. Feldman? ;)
> >
> > --- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon
> > wrote:
> > > This c.d. was originally Japanese import that
> > > disappeared very fast from the shelves. It
> > totally
> > > blows away the previous MCA single disc releases.
> > And
> > > by the way no pop music. Horray!!!
> > >
> > > Wade
> > > --- goozergrafx wrote:
> > > > For those who care....
> > > >
> > > > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the
> > Miami
> > > > Vice Complete
> > > > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1
> > > > contains all of the
> > > > previously released tunes, though some have
> > never
> > > > been on CD. CD2
> > > > contains completely unreleased material!
From:
'winnie tiggerfan'
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:34
pm
Subject: Setlist, information, etc
Hey all, a quick question/favor if I can ask? Anyone happen to have the
setlist, venue, or any other information from the TD Digital Tape Tree volume
1-20? I received it from someone in a trade (not sure if that was allowable or
not, but I got it), with NO INFORMATION at all. This really sucks, as this has
happened repeatedly, and I'm no longer ever trading with people that don't
provide that information. I've posted in the past about this, but it's
continued.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, AND at the same time, was the original
source of this Mp3? I received it on two Cds, in Mp3 format? I'm not
complaining, cuz I HAVE IT (I don't mind, I'm not that picky), but wanted to
ask?
thanks, any replies please send me off the list.
dan
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to Toronto
I'm in the GTA... and you're right, TD have to come to
North America and especially Toronto :-)
Welcome to the list!
--- Liquid Universe
wrote:
> Hey everyone......new to the list, here....big TD
> fan, too.
>
> Anyway, i'm starting a petition to try and bring TD
> to The Great White
> North.
> Any and all Canadian TD fans...or all fans for that
> matter, are
> encouraged to
> go to my webpage, and sign the petition:
> http://www.execulink.com/~liquiduniverse/
>
> Let's show TD that the U.K. and Europe aren't the
> only places they want
> to
> be seen and heard.
>
> *radiowaves*
>
>
>
>
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
I've had a few idiots tell me they aren't popular, and they don't sell.....I
proceed to tell them they're full of shit, and have no business working in a
CD shop....tho not as blunt as I say it in here.....maybe I should get a bit
hostile with them next time....or better yet...go postal.
===================================================
dreamstogo wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> If you go to the Paris La Defense record stores, you'll find TD
> under 'Relaxation' in the Virgin megastore (with its own place marker
> too and the same three CDs for the last X months). In the Fnac store
> they are under 'New Age' (again with own place marker but no CDs)
> which is in the Classical section!
>
> What I find is that when you ask for help, most record assistants
> say 'Who?!?'
>
> What reactions do others get?
>
> Hilary
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote:
> > Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that
> > > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal
> > > favorite).'
> >
> > Yeah I like that too.
> >
> > Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts
> of
> > different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD
> under
> > 'World' section too.
> >
> > David
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
This topic has made the rounds before. I can't help but add some pennies to
this.
I find him in New Age these days at B & N. At the Warehouse I find it in
either Jazz, New Age, or in the used stack sorted by what ever method used
during the mood. Tower records I find it arrange by Name. Best Buys I find
it under New Age and Techno / Electronica.
Now the kicker. Have you ever seen a record store employee making more than
minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence? Would you
serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job.
After that it is all optional. I seen times when my friends just went in to
check out the chicks working there. Music was not even a fore thought.
I check out bargains that I can't get off the net. I sort of wish they fade
away. I remember a time when I could expect to see a recording artiest there
signing CD, Records or tapes even books or your favorite music mag. Today
these places are not where I go to find music, unless it is in the bargain
area.
I like the idea or sorting music out. I think the best idea is just by name.
If they had a guide that showed what other albums are similar then this to
me would be the best of both worlds.
You will never see me in the Country / Western section or the Rap Section. I
just don't believe I would ever find TD, Schmoelling or anyone else in this
genre there.
I do own some country, Johnny Cash type. So there you have it. As for Rap,
hey I got some MC Hammer what more do I need? ;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
> I've had a few idiots tell me they aren't popular, and they don't
sell.....I
> proceed to tell them they're full of shit, and have no business working in
a
> CD shop....tho not as blunt as I say it in here.....maybe I should get a
bit
> hostile with them next time....or better yet...go postal.
>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:34
am
Subject: Record Store employees
C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was
younger...
Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are other
'benefits'...
;^)
MJ
> Have you ever seen a record store employee making
> more than
> minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence?
> Would you
> serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job.
> After that it is all optional.
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
Well you grew out of it didn't ya?
Hope you are doing much better wage wise too.
;-)
dale
But you are right, some jobs are better than none however you are not paid
to be smart there.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To:
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM
Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees
> C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was
> younger...
>
> Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are other
> 'benefits'...
>
> ;^)
>
> MJ
>
>
> > Have you ever seen a record store employee making
> > more than
> > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence?
> > Would you
> > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job.
> > After that it is all optional.
> >
>
>
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From:
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:54
am
Subject: Newsletter
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 6:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
Conclusion of this thread:
TD's music just refuses to be categorised and is a category
by itself!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
I would have thought that a GOOD record store employee would have a wide
field of musical/recording knowledge and I would like to think that includes
both EM and classical music, although I fear that isn't always the case with
either.
If I want to know whether, say, the store has Underwater Sunlight or Murray
Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in stock, I expect more than a
blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply.
I guess it all boils down to the sort of training such people get, which
consists of what? Hopefully, a little more than knowing how to open and
close the till!
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
> Well you grew out of it didn't ya?
> Hope you are doing much better wage wise too.
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
> But you are right, some jobs are better than none however you are not paid
> to be smart there.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Michael A Jean'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees
>
>
> > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was
> > younger...
> >
> > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are
other
> > 'benefits'...
> >
> > ;^)
> >
> > MJ
> >
> >
> > > Have you ever seen a record store employee making
> > > more than
> > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence?
> > > Would you
> > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a
job.
> > > After that it is all optional.
> > >
> >
> >
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From:
'koulos'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
If I want to know whether, say, the store has Underwater Sunlight or Murray
Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in stock, I expect more than a
blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply.
well as far as it concerns music stores in greece we have all the types of
employes [those you knows nothing , those who knows of EM , those who knows
where to send you, and those who owns the store and can make sujestions [small
shops thought]
the most often in huge shops [well the big ones] is to go to one clerk and ask
him with a list in hand wrtitten the name /title of the disk
then he will go to the pc connected to the database and tell you whether they
have it , if the specific cd is imported in greece by their suplier and so on.
as far as the gengre thing i 've seen TD under new age, or in the same floor as
JAZZ ,OST , CLassic is. [never in the promotional position thought!!- that is
in the places that your eyes will go when moving around a store]
anyway enough from me for now
all the best
kostas koulos
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
Here's a subject I can rant about with some authority
but from a different angle. I'm generalizin here but I
would have to agree that the super stores are very
guilty of just employing warm bodies and should
certainly not to be considered professionals.
This is usually not true of the good independent
record stores. Usually they are owner operated with
knowledgable staff - maybe not an authority in all
genres but they'll usually care enough to talk and
investigate for you.
Sadly these independents are going out of business
with increasing frequency and many, no matter how good
a store, will continue to close. The record stores are
the unfortunate victims of CD copying (as well as
other pressures). They don't set the prices yet they
take all the risk in stocking the merchandise.
The strong independent in my area, Newbury Comics, is
the cutting edge group of record stores, always at the
vangaurd but they are being forced to diversify their
stock into used CDs, action figures, toys and other
junk to survive. This just cuts into the space and
attention they can devote to CDs and music. As a break
from my mundane day job I did a stint as a lowly clerk
at one of their stores this winter and I can tell you
the smell of blood is in the water.
What is having just as big an impact as piracy is the
super stores. Walmart, Sams, Best Buy etc. are all
carrying CDs in increasingly large numbers at very
attractice prices but they, for the most part, will
only carry the popular commercial stuff.I don't have
as much of a beef with internet sales. To me that's
justifiable and often the only recourse someone might
have.
The sales of pop music is what allows a lot of record
stores to be able to carry the independent and small
market CDs. Selling 100 CDs a week by Brittany Spears
will let you stock hundreds of various artists that do
not have that kind of turnover. This is being siphoned
off by the super stores and causing a real cash flow
problem for the independents. CD sales by record
stores are down 6-7% the last quarter while they are
up about 10% for the super stores.
I worked in the book for years and it happened to them
first and I see the same pattern re-occuring in the
record industry. Even Tower Records is in danger at
this point. While it is a multi-national chain they do
run philosophically like an independent in many ways.
There's a chance they will go into Chapter 11 this
year and if they close the biggest repurcussion will
be in Classical & Jazz music, at least half of the
independent classical labels will go out of business
immediatly since Tower is the only place that will
stock their stuff.
Sorry this is turning into a bit of a rant but I
wanted to justify this point - Whenever you have the
choice - Buy from an independent record store! It may
cost you a buck or two more than Best Buy or Amazon
but the super store's business is selling 'product'
not music. When something comes along with better
margin the CDs will diminish but the damage will be
already done and the independents will be gone.
I suppose the net is a safety net of sorts but I'm a
browser and the net is fine if you know what you want.
You can find new stuff on the net but, in my opinion,
nothing beats going through the bins of a good
independent.
As for the store employees- they don't get paid a lot.
Many are young and in school and the turnover is high.
I'd also like to state that I don't know anyone who
owns an independent book or record store who ever got
rich off of it. Most of them got into it because they
love what they do.
Sorry for the increasingly off-topic rant. I'll gladly
carry on the rant off-line if anyone is interested.
This bears repeating though - Buy independent! To
quote a famous song for you old hippies - 'You don't
know what you've got till it's gone.'
--- koulos wrote:
>
> If I want to know whether, say, the store has
> Underwater Sunlight or Murray
> Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in
> stock, I expect more than a
> blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply.
>
>
> well as far as it concerns music stores in greece we
> have all the types of employes [those you knows
> nothing , those who knows of EM , those who knows
> where to send you, and those who owns the store and
> can make sujestions [small shops thought]
>
> the most often in huge shops [well the big ones] is
> to go to one clerk and ask him with a list in hand
> wrtitten the name /title of the disk
>
> then he will go to the pc connected to the database
> and tell you whether they have it , if the specific
> cd is imported in greece by their suplier and so on.
>
>
> as far as the gengre thing i 've seen TD under new
> age, or in the same floor as JAZZ ,OST , CLassic is.
> [never in the promotional position thought!!- that
> is in the places that your eyes will go when moving
> around a store]
>
> anyway enough from me for now
>
> all the best
>
> kostas koulos
> Δημόσιες και Διεθνείς
> σχÎσεις
> Πολιτιστική ομάδα 'Ράδιο
> Γαία'
> mailto:koulos@s...
> http://radiogaia.aua.gr
>
>
>
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>
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From:
'koulos'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:00
pm
Subject: tech + archives
sorry for this tech question
whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a pc
[wav format ] ?
also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know that
you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into the
archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere
else? is it easy to use ?
thanxs in advance kostas
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives
Hi Kostas,
IMO the best program by far is 'Soundforge' ( and now in a cheaper and only
slightly
less powerful version but I forget its name...)
Also pretty good is again in my opinion 'Audio Cleaning Lab' which is the
nice 'n' cheap Magix range of software and has excellent wizard help system
but obviously doesn'thave ALL the bells and whistles of SF.
Obviously you also need a good soundcard to get really good results....
axiomatic really..
Regards Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: 'koulos'
> whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a
pc [wav format ] ?
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives
SoundForge is my top choice....however..it does have a bit of a steep learning
curve for those not familiar with such software......one of the pluses with SF,
is it includes some of their top signal procesing plugins....but going from
cassette....don't expect to be able to get much of an improvement in sound
quality.
========================================================
Phil White wrote:
> Hi Kostas,
> IMO the best program by far is 'Soundforge' ( and now in a cheaper and only
> slightly
> less powerful version but I forget its name...)
> Also pretty good is again in my opinion 'Audio Cleaning Lab' which is the
> nice 'n' cheap Magix range of software and has excellent wizard help system
> but obviously doesn'thave ALL the bells and whistles of SF.
> Obviously you also need a good soundcard to get really good results....
> axiomatic really..
>
> Regards Phil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'koulos'
>
> > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a
> pc [wav format ] ?
>
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives
You can use the audio recorder built in to Windows if you just want to make
a straight transfer and not spend any money.
But if you want 'the best' then you can't get much better than SoundForge.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: 'koulos'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: [tadream] tech + archives
> sorry for this tech question
>
> whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a
pc [wav format ] ?
>
> also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know
that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into
the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or
somewhere else? is it easy to use ?
>
>
> thanxs in advance kostas
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
Retail requires little skill other than the till. If you want knowledgeable
folks, you have to be willing to pay more for them. That means the cost of
the product now has a 'value added too'. How many of us will pay $1.00 for
something that I could get for $1.00 less at so and so? Most to not see a
value added too on any product. Same is true with perceived brands.
The cost to educate a consumer isn't always the reasonability to the
retailer.
I could give you many examples from records to books to clothes where the
person there was simply there to stock and handle the till.
I wish it would be different but in this competitive world I don't see
happening. I wonder if there would be enough to justify a store were the
employees knew what they where selling.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Marchington'
To:
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
> I would have thought that a GOOD record store employee would have a wide
> field of musical/recording knowledge and I would like to think that
includes
> both EM and classical music, although I fear that isn't always the case
with
> either.
>
> If I want to know whether, say, the store has Underwater Sunlight or
Murray
> Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in stock, I expect more than
a
> blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply.
>
> I guess it all boils down to the sort of training such people get, which
> consists of what? Hopefully, a little more than knowing how to open and
> close the till!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
>
>
> > Well you grew out of it didn't ya?
> > Hope you are doing much better wage wise too.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > dale
> > But you are right, some jobs are better than none however you are not
paid
> > to be smart there.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Michael A Jean'
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees
> >
> >
> > > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was
> > > younger...
> > >
> > > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are
> other
> > > 'benefits'...
> > >
> > > ;^)
> > >
> > > MJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Have you ever seen a record store employee making
> > > > more than
> > > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence?
> > > > Would you
> > > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a
> job.
> > > > After that it is all optional.
> > > >
> > >
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
yes
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'?
>
>
> Conclusion of this thread:
>
> TD's music just refuses to be categorised and is a category
> by itself!
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
> SUN Microsystems Ireland
>
> 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
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>
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: Re: tech + archives
I haven't seen anybody mention CoolEdit 2000 yet, so I had to
interject :-). I've been using this software for 2 years now and I
think it is great. I transfer a lot of lps (I've probably done over
100 by now) to CD and I've found this program to be very flexible yet
easy to use. I have also had a lot of success with their noise
reduction plug-in for both declicking lps and reducing hiss on
cassette recordings. Their tech support is great. They provide
fully functional demo versions.
BTW, SoundForge XP Studio 5.0 is the cheap version ($59.97) of Sound
Forge.
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@y..., 'koulos' wrote:
> sorry for this tech question
>
> whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape
into a pc [wav format ] ?
>
> also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i
know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to
search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in
the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ?
>
>
> thanxs in advance kostas
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives
I've always used Steinberg's 'Wavelab 3' myself, which is what TD have used
recently to master their CDs. If it's good enough for them.....!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: koulos
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:00 AM
Subject: [tadream] tech + archives
> sorry for this tech question
>
> whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a
pc [wav format ] ?
>
> also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know
that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into
the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or
somewhere else? is it easy to use ?
>
>
> thanxs in advance kostas
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
>
>
From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 6:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
That was part of the point I was trying to make in my
earlier rant. When you find a store with knowledgable
and skilled staff it's worth supporting them even if
it costs you an extra buck. I've been saved from
buying stuff and been tipped off on new stuff by staff
I've grown to know and who know what I like. I don't
look at it as a cost but rather as an investment.
It's the same way I value lists like tadream. I could
go putz around at MP3.com etc. and try and try and
fill my need for EM or I can hunt down real deal with
the folks who care.
I may be spoiled though since I'm lucky enough to live
in an area with some excellent indie stores. They've
been able to survive (so far) going up against the
likes of Tower, HMV, and Virgin because of their staff
and service.
--- 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
wrote:
> Retail requires little skill other than the till. If
> you want knowledgeable
> folks, you have to be willing to pay more for them.
> That means the cost of
> the product now has a 'value added too'. How many of
> us will pay $1.00 for
> something that I could get for $1.00 less at so and
> so? Most to not see a
> value added too on any product. Same is true with
> perceived brands.
> The cost to educate a consumer isn't always the
> reasonability to the
> retailer.
>
> I could give you many examples from records to books
> to clothes where the
> person there was simply there to stock and handle
> the till.
>
> I wish it would be different but in this competitive
> world I don't see
> happening. I wonder if there would be enough to
> justify a store were the
> employees knew what they where selling.
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet
> needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'John Marchington'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
>
>
> > I would have thought that a GOOD record store
> employee would have a wide
> > field of musical/recording knowledge and I would
> like to think that
> includes
> > both EM and classical music, although I fear that
> isn't always the case
> with
> > either.
> >
> > If I want to know whether, say, the store has
> Underwater Sunlight or
> Murray
> > Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in
> stock, I expect more than
> a
> > blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply.
> >
> > I guess it all boils down to the sort of training
> such people get, which
> > consists of what? Hopefully, a little more than
> knowing how to open and
> > close the till!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Admin'
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
> >
> >
> > > Well you grew out of it didn't ya?
> > > Hope you are doing much better wage wise too.
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > dale
> > > But you are right, some jobs are better than
> none however you are not
> paid
> > > to be smart there.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Michael A Jean'
>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM
> > > Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees
> > >
> > >
> > > > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for
> almost 7 years when I was
> > > > younger...
> > > >
> > > > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in
> most cases, but there are
> > other
> > > > 'benefits'...
> > > >
> > > > ;^)
> > > >
> > > > MJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Have you ever seen a record store employee
> making
> > > > > more than
> > > > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there
> for their intelligence?
> > > > > Would you
> > > > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions
> on music? They have a
> > job.
> > > > > After that it is all optional.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:16
pm
Subject: Haslinger bargain CD
Stumbled upon a good deal at http://www.soleilmoon.com
on a Paul Haslinger CD. This is a pretty interesting
label/distributor.
ARTIST: COMA VIRUS
TITLE: Hidden
LABEL: SIDE EFFECTS
DESCRIPTION: New project by former Tangerine Dream
member Paul Haslinger, with assistance from Thomas
Dimuzio and Loren Nerell. Haslinger is also
collaborating with Brian Williams on a new Lustmord
album, to be released late in 1997.
ITEM NUMBER: 04123 FORMAT: CD PRICE: $5.00
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:24
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] tech + archives
depends which archives. We have the pre-onelist/egroups/yahoogorups
archives at tadream.net under 'Archives', but the archives of messages after
that are at yahoogroups.
BUT, as I mentioned some time earlier, we are working on ways to extract the
data from the yahoogroups message database for posterity. I'm happy to
announce we were successful and so successful in fact, that we're looking at
ways of marketing the tool we've made to do it to other yahoogroups
listowners. what this means for the tadream community is nothing right now
but security that our archives are safe in case yahoo decides 1) they want
to limit storage 2) they want to delete 3) they want to charge 4) they goof
up and delete accidentally
I have no search ability in place for the uwp archives, but they are here:
http://www.tadream.net/archives
yahoogroups does not query the entire database for your answer - only a few
thousand usually. you can do your own custom queries by simply inserting
the message number in this URL, where xxx=your numeric message number search
starting point. you might want to start with message #1, and repeat using
increments of 2-3000 up to the 34,000 or so that are there. If that didn't
make any sense, let me know. remember if you are searching for more than
one word, ' ' is used to denote a space in a text string, as shown below:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/messagesearch/xxx?query=your search%
20term here
> -----Original Message-----
> From: koulos [mailto:koulos@s...]
> whats the way to search into the archives? is this in the
> www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere else? is it
> easy to use ?
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: 'Hamma'
Just got the May issue of Keyboard yesterday and there's an interview with Jan
Hammer talking about the new album and how he recreated some of the sounds,
e.g. in one instance I think he was talking about how he doubled the old
Memorymoog with his Virus or something like that, etc.
<<
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
This is the exact same two disc set that came out in
Japan about two years ago. It even has the same
cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at
Best Buy.>>>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:23
pm
Subject: recording software
Ha! That sounds basically like the gist of the latest Nuendo seminar that
Steinberg has been touring with. They're playing the surround version of Night
At the Opera and are talking about all of the Producers who are using it...
basically saying, hey, if it's good enough for Queen, you schmucks should be
happy we're even selling it to you!!!
But seriously, don't drive yourself crazy spending hundreds of dollars on a DAW
just to transfer a cassette. As was said, it's also going to depend on your
soundcard and ultimately the quality of the original, which (being a cassette)
limits you from the get-go.
All of the programs mentioned (Sound Forge, Magix, Wavelab, Cool Edit) should
be fine for what you want to do.
The cheapest would probably be Sound Forge XP, with the added benefit of having
an upgrade path to the full version if you really get into it.
That said, I believe Cool Edit and Wavelab have 'lite' versions too.
<<
Subject: Re: tech + archives
I've always used Steinberg's 'Wavelab 3' myself, which is what TD have used
recently to master their CDs. If it's good enough for them.....!
- Chris>>>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: tech + archives
yes cool edit is fine
it has always been a good program to do simple edits with.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'maggior'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: tech + archives
> I haven't seen anybody mention CoolEdit 2000 yet, so I had to
> interject :-). I've been using this software for 2 years now and I
> think it is great. I transfer a lot of lps (I've probably done over
> 100 by now) to CD and I've found this program to be very flexible yet
> easy to use. I have also had a lot of success with their noise
> reduction plug-in for both declicking lps and reducing hiss on
> cassette recordings. Their tech support is great. They provide
> fully functional demo versions.
>
> BTW, SoundForge XP Studio 5.0 is the cheap version ($59.97) of Sound
> Forge.
>
> Rich Maggio
>
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'koulos' wrote:
> > sorry for this tech question
> >
> > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape
> into a pc [wav format ] ?
> >
> > also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i
> know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to
> search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in
> the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ?
> >
> >
> > thanxs in advance kostas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Hamma'
you are so lucky.. I just got the April Issue yesterday. This is what I get
from buying it at B & N. I need to subscribe. then again, I am about 1 to 2
months behind reading anyway...
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: [tadream] 'Hamma'
> Just got the May issue of Keyboard yesterday and there's an interview with
Jan Hammer talking about the new album and how he recreated some of the
sounds, e.g. in one instance I think he was talking about how he doubled the
old Memorymoog with his Virus or something like that, etc.
>
> << Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Wade Gordon
> Subject: Re: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out!
>
> This is the exact same two disc set that came out in
> Japan about two years ago. It even has the same
> cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at
> Best Buy.>>>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
Dan, I think you're being a little harsh on Internet-based CD stores but I
agree entirely with the rest of your argument. Sadly, there is only one
independent left in my (not so) immediate area and that closes early on the
one night I am in a position to visit it. Interestingly, though, I've never
looked for TD there as it tends to specialize in classical with some lighter
music in another area of the store. There is one other store that was owner
operated initially, but it has been bought out by another (admittedly)
musically-active organization (in the field of making recordings, not
pressing them) but the current staff don't seem to have a particularly wide
knowledge on anything outside of commercial pop. When the original owner
left (he is a French horn player of some distinction and plays in the NZSO
from time to time), almost all his vast music knowledge -- especially
classical and jazz -- went with him. I do look for TD when I'm there but I
never find anything new.
There are of course independents on the Web, too, and I can thoroughly
recommend Synth Music Direct in the UK (I hope a little plug here is OK,
Joe?) having bought a lot from them, although not much TD: Free System
Projekt, Paul Ellis, Klaus Schulze and Rainbow Serpent to name four
artists/groups CDs bought recently. David Law, who runs SMD, is both
knowledgeable and extremely helpful. Of the 'super-stores' I actually have a
lot of time for Amazon.com. They do 'push' but you just have to decide what
you want to buy from them and go for it.
Your comments about main-stream pop being the life blood of most CD stores
is undoubtedly, true and like you I do worry about the long term effect that
MP3s and illegal copying generally is going to have on the record industry
as a whole -- and it is surely in the field of pop that this piracy is most
prevalent. Eventually, the consequences will filter through to EM,
classical, jazz and
probably even film soundtracks with the result that fewer and fewer
recordings will be made.
Talking about Tower Records reminds me that I received an e-mail message by
mistake from someone associated with the American Record Guide. The news?
That Tower was virtually bankrupt. That seems to back up your comments about
the company.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dan Downey'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
> Here's a subject I can rant about with some authority
> but from a different angle. I'm generalizin here but I
> would have to agree that the super stores are very
> guilty of just employing warm bodies and should
> certainly not to be considered professionals.
>
> This is usually not true of the good independent
> record stores. Usually they are owner operated with
> knowledgable staff - maybe not an authority in all
> genres but they'll usually care enough to talk and
> investigate for you.
>
> Sadly these independents are going out of business
> with increasing frequency and many, no matter how good
> a store, will continue to close. The record stores are
> the unfortunate victims of CD copying (as well as
> other pressures). They don't set the prices yet they
> take all the risk in stocking the merchandise.
>
> The strong independent in my area, Newbury Comics, is
> the cutting edge group of record stores, always at the
> vangaurd but they are being forced to diversify their
> stock into used CDs, action figures, toys and other
> junk to survive. This just cuts into the space and
> attention they can devote to CDs and music. As a break
> from my mundane day job I did a stint as a lowly clerk
> at one of their stores this winter and I can tell you
> the smell of blood is in the water.
>
> What is having just as big an impact as piracy is the
> super stores. Walmart, Sams, Best Buy etc. are all
> carrying CDs in increasingly large numbers at very
> attractice prices but they, for the most part, will
> only carry the popular commercial stuff.I don't have
> as much of a beef with internet sales. To me that's
> justifiable and often the only recourse someone might
> have.
>
> The sales of pop music is what allows a lot of record
> stores to be able to carry the independent and small
> market CDs. Selling 100 CDs a week by Brittany Spears
> will let you stock hundreds of various artists that do
> not have that kind of turnover. This is being siphoned
> off by the super stores and causing a real cash flow
> problem for the independents. CD sales by record
> stores are down 6-7% the last quarter while they are
> up about 10% for the super stores.
>
> I worked in the book for years and it happened to them
> first and I see the same pattern re-occuring in the
> record industry. Even Tower Records is in danger at
> this point. While it is a multi-national chain they do
> run philosophically like an independent in many ways.
> There's a chance they will go into Chapter 11 this
> year and if they close the biggest repurcussion will
> be in Classical & Jazz music, at least half of the
> independent classical labels will go out of business
> immediatly since Tower is the only place that will
> stock their stuff.
>
> Sorry this is turning into a bit of a rant but I
> wanted to justify this point - Whenever you have the
> choice - Buy from an independent record store! It may
> cost you a buck or two more than Best Buy or Amazon
> but the super store's business is selling 'product'
> not music. When something comes along with better
> margin the CDs will diminish but the damage will be
> already done and the independents will be gone.
>
> I suppose the net is a safety net of sorts but I'm a
> browser and the net is fine if you know what you want.
> You can find new stuff on the net but, in my opinion,
> nothing beats going through the bins of a good
> independent.
>
> As for the store employees- they don't get paid a lot.
> Many are young and in school and the turnover is high.
> I'd also like to state that I don't know anyone who
> owns an independent book or record store who ever got
> rich off of it. Most of them got into it because they
> love what they do.
>
> Sorry for the increasingly off-topic rant. I'll gladly
> carry on the rant off-line if anyone is interested.
> This bears repeating though - Buy independent! To
> quote a famous song for you old hippies - 'You don't
> know what you've got till it's gone.'
>
> --- koulos wrote:
> >
> > If I want to know whether, say, the store has
> > Underwater Sunlight or Murray
> > Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in
> > stock, I expect more than a
> > blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply.
> >
> >
> > well as far as it concerns music stores in greece we
> > have all the types of employes [those you knows
> > nothing , those who knows of EM , those who knows
> > where to send you, and those who owns the store and
> > can make sujestions [small shops thought]
> >
> > the most often in huge shops [well the big ones] is
> > to go to one clerk and ask him with a list in hand
> > wrtitten the name /title of the disk
> >
> > then he will go to the pc connected to the database
> > and tell you whether they have it , if the specific
> > cd is imported in greece by their suplier and so on.
> >
> >
> > as far as the gengre thing i 've seen TD under new
> > age, or in the same floor as JAZZ ,OST , CLassic is.
> > [never in the promotional position thought!!- that
> > is in the places that your eyes will go when moving
> > around a store]
> >
> > anyway enough from me for now
> >
> > all the best
> >
> > kostas koulos
> > Î'ημÏOÏfιεÏ, και Î'ιεθνείÏ,
> > ÏfÏ?ÎÏfειÏ,
> > ΠολιÏ'ιÏfÏ'ική ομάδα 'Ράδιο
> > Î'αία'
> > mailto:koulos@s...
> > http://radiogaia.aua.gr
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> >
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>
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>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Haslinger bargain CD
Lucky you. I bought it from a shop in Sydney a couple of years ago-- and
paid A$34.98! It's certainly a fascinating album and vastly different from,
say, 'Future Primitive'.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dan Downey'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:16 AM
Subject: [tadream] Haslinger bargain CD
> Stumbled upon a good deal at http://www.soleilmoon.com
> on a Paul Haslinger CD. This is a pretty interesting
> label/distributor.
>
> ARTIST: COMA VIRUS
> TITLE: Hidden
> LABEL: SIDE EFFECTS
> DESCRIPTION: New project by former Tangerine Dream
> member Paul Haslinger, with assistance from Thomas
> Dimuzio and Loren Nerell. Haslinger is also
> collaborating with Brian Williams on a new Lustmord
> album, to be released late in 1997.
> ITEM NUMBER: 04123 FORMAT: CD PRICE: $5.00
>
>
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>
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
--- John Marchington wrote:
> Dan, I think you're being a little harsh on
> Internet-based CD stores but I
> agree entirely with the rest of your argument.
I'm not down on Internet-based CD stores per se, I
purchase easily half my CDs on line from indie on-line
companies and directly from the label. Mostly this is
stuff that even the good indie stores wouldn't carry
either (I always check first though).
>
> Talking about Tower Records reminds me that I
> received an e-mail message by
> mistake from someone associated with the American
> Record Guide. The news?
> That Tower was virtually bankrupt. That seems to
> back up your comments about
> the company.
Tower has been sort of subsidised for the past year by
various record companies to ensure they made it
through the crucial Christmas period. This has been
done with nice terms and delayed 365 day billing. This
May is the reckoning date for them and if they don't
survive it then it will have an enormous ripple effect
throughout the industry. Despite their global
aspirations they are the only big chain to devote
significant space to classical. For a time, in their
larger stores, they carried every classical release
issued. That takes some comittment. If only they did
the same for TD and other EM!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Dan Downey'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees
>
>
> > Here's a subject I can rant about with some
> authority
> > but from a different angle. I'm generalizin here
> but I
> > would have to agree that the super stores are very
> > guilty of just employing warm bodies and should
> > certainly not to be considered professionals.
> >
> > This is usually not true of the good independent
> > record stores. Usually they are owner operated
> with
> > knowledgable staff - maybe not an authority in all
> > genres but they'll usually care enough to talk and
> > investigate for you.
> >
> > Sadly these independents are going out of business
> > with increasing frequency and many, no matter how
> good
> > a store, will continue to close. The record stores
> are
> > the unfortunate victims of CD copying (as well as
> > other pressures). They don't set the prices yet
> they
> > take all the risk in stocking the merchandise.
> >
> > The strong independent in my area, Newbury Comics,
> is
> > the cutting edge group of record stores, always at
> the
> > vangaurd but they are being forced to diversify
> their
> > stock into used CDs, action figures, toys and
> other
> > junk to survive. This just cuts into the space and
> > attention they can devote to CDs and music. As a
> break
> > from my mundane day job I did a stint as a lowly
> clerk
> > at one of their stores this winter and I can tell
> you
> > the smell of blood is in the water.
> >
> > What is having just as big an impact as piracy is
> the
> > super stores. Walmart, Sams, Best Buy etc. are all
> > carrying CDs in increasingly large numbers at very
> > attractice prices but they, for the most part,
> will
> > only carry the popular commercial stuff.I don't
> have
> > as much of a beef with internet sales. To me
> that's
> > justifiable and often the only recourse someone
> might
> > have.
> >
> > The sales of pop music is what allows a lot of
> record
> > stores to be able to carry the independent and
> small
> > market CDs. Selling 100 CDs a week by Brittany
> Spears
> > will let you stock hundreds of various artists
> that do
> > not have that kind of turnover. This is being
> siphoned
> > off by the super stores and causing a real cash
> flow
> > problem for the independents. CD sales by record
> > stores are down 6-7% the last quarter while they
> are
> > up about 10% for the super stores.
> >
> > I worked in the book for years and it happened to
> them
> > first and I see the same pattern re-occuring in
> the
> > record industry. Even Tower Records is in danger
> at
> > this point. While it is a multi-national chain
> they do
> > run philosophically like an independent in many
> ways.
> > There's a chance they will go into Chapter 11 this
> > year and if they close the biggest repurcussion
> will
> > be in Classical & Jazz music, at least half of the
> > independent classical labels will go out of
> business
> > immediatly since Tower is the only place that will
> > stock their stuff.
> >
> > Sorry this is turning into a bit of a rant but I
> > wanted to justify this point - Whenever you have
> the
> > choice - Buy from an independent record store! It
> may
> > cost you a buck or two more than Best Buy or
> Amazon
> > but the super store's business is selling
> 'product'
> > not music. When something comes along with better
> > margin the CDs will diminish but the damage will
> be
> > already done and the independents will be gone.
> >
> > I suppose the net is a safety net of sorts but I'm
> a
> > browser and the net is fine if you know what you
> want.
> > You can find new stuff on the net but, in my
> opinion,
> > nothing beats going through the bins of a good
> > independent.
> >
> > As for the store employees- they don't get paid a
> lot.
> > Many are young and in school and the turnover is
> high.
> > I'd also like to state that I don't know anyone
> who
> > owns an independent book or record store who ever
> got
> > rich off of it. Most of them got into it because
> they
> > love what they do.
> >
>
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:22
am
Subject: wanted
hi all
i have updated my wants list on my site, please have a look.
if anyone can help me out with these i will be very gratefull.
looking forward to the next tree.
thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:30
pm
Subject: Kevin Keller Trio LIVE on KPFA 4.25.02
Dear Space Music Fans,
The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing live on KPFA (94.1 FM in
Berkeley/San Francisco) on Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm (Pacific Time),
as a preview of their upcoming concert at Chabot Space & Science
Center. They will be playing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky',
and giving away a pair of tickets to one lucky listener.
Tune your radio to KPFA on April 25 at 10 pm (Pacific Time), or listen
to the live internet stream at
http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
(Note: You need Real Player to hear this stream. Other streaming choices
are available at www.kpfa.org)
Tickets for the Chabot planetarium concert are selling fast, and advance
tickets are strongly recommended. More info below.
****
Kevin Keller Trio
Live at Chabot Planetarium, Oakland, CA
Friday, April 26 at 8 PM
Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: okee dokee?
so anyone gonna give us an okee report?
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: FW: [Kevin_Keller_News] Kevin Keller Trio LIVE on KPFA 4.25.02
FYI:
Dear Space Music Fans,
The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing live on KPFA (94.1 FM in
Berkeley/San Francisco) on Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm (Pacific Time),
as a preview of their upcoming concert at Chabot Space & Science
Center. They will be playing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky',
and giving away a pair of tickets to one lucky listener.
Tune your radio to KPFA on April 25 at 10 pm (Pacific Time), or listen
to the live internet stream at
http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
(Note: You need Real Player to hear this stream. Other streaming choices
are available at www.kpfa.org)
Tickets for the Chabot planetarium concert are selling fast, and advance
tickets are strongly recommended. More info below.
****
Kevin Keller Trio
Live at Chabot Planetarium, Oakland, CA
Friday, April 26 at 8 PM
Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Chat
>Paul Fellows said:
>I'm there at the moment, it's Friday evening here in cold and rainy (at the
>moment) France, there's nothing on telly & I've got a bit of time on my
>hands...
>
>Damn this time difference, there's no-one there!
It could be that a few of the principals of the chat were at a certain
swamp? :)
However we will be making an appearance THIS Friday. More details to come.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Oke
>From: Joe Shoults
>so anyone gonna give us an okee report?
Jeez man, it's only been 12 hours since I got home.
Incredible time, incredible memories. 9-10 hours were played all-told,
guess it will come out on a spindle! Hopefully a nice 2-3 CD of the best
will come out.
-Morgan
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: get while the gettin's good
Dale's server is back up. if you already received the FTP address but
haven't completed your downloads, now is a good time to jump on.
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 7:20
pm
Subject: Record Stores
There are times when I've been to the Virgin Megastore in London looking for TD
and other artists and they don't have that much, particlularly not their own
label. HMV had more.
So I am happy to use internet, ebay or Borders when in US. But buying stuff
that has to be posted from US costs too much. Its a shame the postage rates
aren't lower.
David
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:39
pm
Subject: [legend dvd]
Legend DVD (thought it was due out this week--so did an amazon search and
found....)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000063UR2/qid=1019680245/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2\
_1/104-4594589-1559103
Edition Details:
• Region 1 encoding (US and Canada only)
• Color, Closed-captioned, Widescreen, Dolby, DTS Surround Sound
• Commentary by Ridley Scott
• Director's cut, restored version with Jerry Goldsmith's score
• Original U.S. theatrical version with Tangerine Dream score
• Creating a Myth: The Making of Legend
• Storyboards
• The Fairy Dance, music and storyboards depicting the lost scene
• Original screenplay
• Isolated music score by Tangerine Dream
• Music video - 'Is Your Love Strong Enough' by Bryan Ferry
• Widescreen anamorphic format
• Number of discs: 2
Technical Information
Release Information:
Studio: Umvd
Theatrical Release Date: January 16, 1986
DVD Release Date: May 21, 2002
Run Time: 114 minutes
Production Company: Universal Studios
Package Type: Keep Case
Aspect Ratio(s):
Widescreen anamorphic - 2.35:1
Discographic Information:
DVD Encoding: Region 1
Layers: Dual
Available Audio Tracks: English (DTS), English (Dolby Digital 5.1)
Collector's Edition
Director's Cut
• ASIN: B000063UR2
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 9:47
pm
Subject: My Okefenokee Report (very long)
Hi Everyone!
I returned home last night, but I treated myself to one more day off from
work to recuperate, and to get my report out before I forgot it. I went
straight to work the next morning the last two years, and that was really
hard.
I must say right here that the gatherings just keep getting better every
year. I wonder if there's ever a time when you just can't get any better?
Anyway, here we go. Hopefully, I'll remember everything and I can write it
in an interesting manner.
Thursday, April 18:
I get up a bit before 4 AM to catch a Super Shuttle to the airport for my 8
AM flight (allowing 2 hours at the airport). There's a ridiculously long
line at the check in counter, but I think I only spent about 20 minutes
before checking my luggage. There was an older fellow in line that actually
fainted, and while you'd think it was because he was waiting in line too
long, it was actually that he didn't have any breakfast. I had a bowl of
Grapenuts before leaving, so I was okay for now.
I was quite surprised that I didn't have to open any of my luggage for them,
and that the trip through the security checkpoint was quite fast. I guess
they've had the time to refine the process and not make it so difficult. I
check the magazine store to see if they sell Animerica or something like
that, but nope. So I go to a food shop and have my 2nd breakfast (in true
Hobbit-fashion :-) ) of a muffin and orange juice. I get to the gate just
in time to see the luggage get to the plane, and my unmistakable keyboard
case on top of one of the luggage cars. I carefully watch them load my
stuff, and they actually seemed to be careful about it.
Soon we're on the fully-booked plane and in the air. I pop in a minidisc
and sit back to read the Silmarillion (my second attempt). The flight was
pretty fast and uneventful, and I had my 3rd breakfast on board. We got
there about 15 minutes early (shocking!).
After landing in Atlanta, I take the train to the baggage claim. I like
riding in this train, I guess since we have nothing like it in Phoenix, not
even for mass transit. We definitely need a good train system here. I'd
rather take that to work than drive. I'm walking to the carousels and kinda
looking for Morgan at the same time, as we're supposed to meet here. I must
be a terrible searcher, because he manages to sneak up right beside me
without me knowing it. And he's really tall too! Morgan and I go to the
piazza and wait for Steve (Whiteley) who's plane is supposed to arrive in
about another hour. We chat for a while and Steve shows up. We go get the
rental car and get to Vic's.
Unfortunately, my memory's fuzzy at this point. We had a lot of people come
in and whatnot and I found it a bit overwhelming. Of course, there's some
familiar faces from previous years, and some new ones, but I don't remember
everyone I met then. I think Marion (Horrod) and her husband Dave were
already there. I know Tom (George) was there with Deb and her husband
Roger. Pete and John (from AirSculpture) got there at some point also.
Carlo (Ruggiero) and Jim (Moore) came at some point as well and I think we
met Bill (Fox) and Greg (Waltzer) at some point there. Oh yeah, and of
course we got to meet Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar (a.k.a. Star Sounds
Orchestra) that evening. We watched some crappy boot DVD's of TD as well
that night. After getting some Papa John's pizza (my favorite for quick
take-out), we hung out a bit and then called it a night.
Friday, April 19:
I woke up in the middle of the night a couple of times to hear the cat
crying to get out or (I presume) the cat jumping on me, but finally woke up
when the doorbell rang. It was Patrick (Hill) at the door. We got
breakfast and showers and such done fairly quickly, and were on our way.
Luckily, the P.A. was rented yesterday, so we didn't have to spend time
taking care of that today. We broke off into two four-car caravans, one was
carrying most of the musicians (except for myself) and the gear, and the
other one was to do the grocery shopping. We stopped to get alcohol and a
battery charger for Dave H.'s camera (but they didn't have one) before we
left Atlanta. Morgan and Steve opted to stick with me in my car.
There's not much here to report, just the long drive southward. We decided
to do the grocery shopping in Valdosta, and even though Tom and I had been
there before, we did some serious wandering around before asking where the
damn store was.
We got to the Winn-Dixie store and raided the place. Steve W. was generous
enough to let us put it on his check card and pay him back for it. We ended
up getting more food than we needed, but I guess it wasn't as bad as last
year. As we're checking out the carts of food, we see Vic and crew from the
other caravan come into the store! What timing! We load all the food up
and head out. We didn't wait for the other caravan though, but maybe we
were supposed to?? Oh well.
As usual, on the last stretch to the swamp, I plop in the minidisc with
Cyclone and we jam to that coming into the park.
We pull into the neighborhood of cottages, and I spot Lars Jones right away.
I park the car, and we meet all the people that are already here. There was
Lars and his sons, Roger (Smith), Dell, Robert, Jerry and Howard. I hope I
didn't forget anyone. I park the car, and we unload stuff.
We decide to cram all the musicians' equipment into Cottage #3, given its
historical significance. I think we had a jam session later on, but I don't
remember. Again memory is a bit fuzzy with adding even more faces and names
to the group! I end up taking a bed in cottage #1, and Pete rooms with me.
I guess I wasn't a bad roommate for him last year. :-)
Saturday, April 20:
I get up not too early or too late today. I think we had the roundhouse
introductions this morning for everyone. That was really cool to hear
everyone's introductions. Then, Steve W. and I take a canoe out on the
water. That was a lot of fun. I actually enjoyed it more than going on the
motorboats. Even though I've been here the previous 2 years, I never tried
canoeing. It's great with how quiet it is, and you don't breath in gasoline
fumes, and you get good exercise too! We spent about 4 hours on the water
before getting back for dinner and the festivities. I had the opportunity
to chat with Steve S. for a little while on the porch before dinner, and he
even had me sign a copy of Okefenokee 2001 for him! That was quite a
surprise for me! And I must admit I hadn't gotten around to buying any SSO
CD's yet.
I think this was the evening that Jens was going around and filming various
people with his camera, interviewing them and whatnot. I got to be one of
the subjects as well, and that was a lot of fun, with Jens walking all
around me while I was talking.
We had a huge grab bag for the games this year. I think they said we had
exactly 100 items in there! I contributed several copies of a 3' CDR that
has some TD piano pieces performed by yours truly, and three copies of my
full-length CDR 'Phase Shift'. Heheh, the organizers of the games learned
after last year that perhaps Jim and I are a little too good for the 'name
that TD tune' contest. :-) Roger made us both sit out of the whole first
round which was from studio and live albums. Then, when the soundtrack
round came up, Roger made it so that we'd have to name the movie and the
song title (everyone else just had to name the movie). Also, he limited us
to three wins. Jim used his three wins quickly, and I used only two.
Jens was one of the 'lucky' people to grab one of my Phase Shift CDR's, so
hopefully, I'll hear what he thinks of it someday. I was quite surprised to
find that people were trying really hard to get copies of my piano solo disc
as well. I'm glad people wanted to hear it!
We had another jam session that night, and afterwards, more chatting with
everyone. It was really neat getting to talk with Jens and Steve, as they
had much to talk about and share with us.
At some point in the evening (or maybe it was last night? I don't remember
:-/ ), some of us took a walk over to the canal leading from the boat dock
to the open water, and we were treated with an alligator face-off. Some of
us spotted one going out into the canal from the dock area, and then another
one coming head-on to the first one. It was great to see them jump up and
thrash briefly at their encounter of each other.
Sunday, April 21:
Today, we learn about what we're going to do for the musical performance
tonight. It's going to be a first for most of us. We're going to make a
Planetary Ambience performance, in true SSO fashion. It's very fascinating
stuff, and Steve and Jens taught us all about the concept. We started by
looking at the star chart for the evening, to see what the positions are of
the planets in the sky, and then that will dictate the movements of the
music. Each planet will have a movement, and given the data about the
planetary motion, we get the information we need as to the key, tempo,
keyboard tuning, length and overall feel for that movement. As each planet
sets in the sky, we begin a new movement for the next planet to set. Jens
and Steve showed us the book 'The Cosmic Octave' by Cousto that this comes
from.
I spent pretty much the entire day learning about the Planetary Ambience,
and getting ready for it picking the sounds and effects I was going to use.
I also took a nap in the afternoon, as I was feeling a bit fatigued. The
music is to start at sundown, which is about 8 PM. Given the astronomical
information for this evening, we end up performing movements for the Earth,
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter, and it lasts for nearly 5 1/2
hours! I was given the responsibility for the melodic content of the
movements, and also being the driver of the Jupiter movement. I wished I
hadn't drank so much water earlier, cuz I ended up having to go to the
bathroom twice during the session. Given that most of us didn't have any
experience with making music like this, there were some difficulties in
spots, but there were some parts that worked really well IMO, especially
Venus and Jupiter. For that last movement, I was playing piano, and somehow
I was able to do some pretty good stuff on the piano throughout the nearly
two-hour movement! It was quite a challenge, but everyone seemed to really
enjoy it.
After it was finished, I was exhausted, but elated. This was a wonderful
new musical experience for me, and I always welcome the opportunity to
expand my horizons. Actually, every Okefenokee trip has been a new musical
experience for me! Well, I don't remember hanging out for too long after
that before going to bed, so maybe I'll just leave it at that...
Monday, April 22:
I got up kinda late this morning. I think it was almost 10. And we were
going to have a group meeting at 11! I get up and take a shower, and have a
bowl of cereal just before the meeting. It's mostly to say some good-byes
(some of us were leaving this morning), to take the group photos, buy some
CD's, and to have an autograph session for anyone who didn't get all the
signatures they wanted. Heh, between both of the Okefenokee CD's, and the
discs I brought for the grab bag, I think I had to sign my name more times
than when I bought my house! :-) Not that I didn't enjoy it, it was really
my pleasure. I must admit at this point that it has taken me some time to
believe that maybe I am a decent musician after all and can make music
that's true to myself that other people would also enjoy. This trip has
helped me to really begin to see that, and I thank everyone for it. Okay,
I'm done with gushing.
I took the opportunity to buy some CD's from Jens, so that I can finally
check out what SSO is about. I had never heard Psychedelic Trance music
before, but picked up SSO's newest called Ooz. Jens was also very generous
and gave me a copy of the Spirit Zone trance compilation set, and a booklet
explaining the history of the trance scene. I also bought a copy of the
Liquid Sound CD, which is an ambient collection that is supposed to be good
for listening to underwater, and an unreleased SSO soundtrack (those got
snatched up fast!). I think I'm going to have to track down some earlier
SSO CD's as well like Kosmophonon and Planets for a more ambient side to
their music.
I took a little walk later on with Pete through the nature trail by the boat
dock. That was a nice little walk, and Pete didn't go on it last year. We
got back and chilled out for a while in the porch of cottage #4 with Marion
and Greg. I put the Liquid Sound disc in the player quietly and relaxed for
a bit. Most of the rest of us went out on the water this afternoon to take
the last opportunity to do so.
As people started coming back, the first round of dinner was started. We
had hamburgers, and I was very happy that there were also some turkey
burgers made for me. I made sure to thank the crew for that.
Next came yet another real treat. We moved Steve and Jens' gear down to the
picnic area for our very own SSO psychedelic trance dance performance. It
was great! Robert and I went back to the cottages to grab stuff to drink,
as Jens said it was important to have a bar near the dance floor. We
grabbed all non-alcoholic stuff of course. It took me a couple of songs to
really start loosening up (I'm not a good dancer), but I really liked the
music. I was glad to find out that a couple of my favorite tracks were on
Ooz. I went to techno clubs back when I was in college, and I didn't like
that music very much. I guess trance has something else to it that I seem
to connect more with (or maybe I just got tired of hearing that same damn
'Staying Alive' remix a few too many times at the techno clubs!). It was
great dancing in the open air location, and seeing Steve dancing behind his
rig, and Jens jamming on his HandSonic. When Roger S. went over to the
swings and started swinging with the music, I just about fell over! It was
so surreal seeing how well the swinging seemed to go with the trance music.
Other people started joining him, and at one point, Steve ran over and swung
for a while. A few of us (including myself) got that on film. I think
everyone should have dance parties outside, as long as the weather is good.
Parks and playgrounds seem like a great place for them! It's definitely
easier to hear the music outside as well, and it's not nearly as deafening.
It's just too bad that the neighbors probably wouldn't care for it. :-(
The music ended right around dusk (the show concluded with a great new track
called 'Red Sun Tokyo' which should be on SSO's next CD). We went on
evening cruises (broken into two groups) right afterwards. It was great!
We got to spot lots of gators in the fading twilight using powerful
flashlights.
After we get back, we have the second dinner, and later on we're besieged by
animals! There was a pair of foxes and a raccoon hanging around behind the
cottages most of the days, and they discovered a bag of trash that someone
left out. Carlo and I take care of it, and I learn first-hand that people
must be feeding these animals. I crouch down and stick my hand out like I
have food, and the raccoon comes running up at me! Dammit people, we can't
be doing that! That harms the animals in so many ways! But I did take
advantage of that in getting a picture of the 'coon. But he ran up to me so
fast, that he may have been too close by the time I was able to snap the
camera.
We chatted a bunch more this evening, and said some good-byes as some of us
had to leave very early the next morning. I'm glad I picked a later flight
out this time.
Tuesday, April 23:
Pete and I get up at around 8 AM. Jens and Steve are gone already (with Vic
and his son Patrick), as their flight leaves about 4 PM, and I think they
wanted to buy some things before leaving. I was in charge of making sure
that Cottage #1 was straightened up and get the key turned in. Luckily, we
kept this one fairly clean, so I helped out a bit at the other cottages.
I didn't get a chance to say goodbye to everyone, but I did to everyone that
was left later in the morning. After all our farewells were done, Morgan,
Steve W., Carlo and I pile in my car with our stuff and head back to
Atlanta. Everyone except Steve has a flight out tonight around 7 and 8 PM.
We listen to audience recordings that Steve made of the Planetary Ambience
and Trance show with his minidisc. They sounded quite good, since he bought
some decent microphones.
We get to the airport and check in. I think every time I've checked in at
Atlanta, I'm asked if that case has a gun in it, whereas in Phoenix, they
recognize it as at least some kind of musical instrument. Go figure!
Anyway, Steve was able to switch his flight to tonight, and we hang out
together at the piazza for a while before we part company. After we have
another round of farewells, I walk toward the train to go to my gate. I
actually have a bit of heartache that hits me at this point, as it's obvious
the event is over. It was another wonderful experience to add to my life
memories, and I hope to meet most everyone (if not everyone) at next year's
gathering.
I get to my gate and the plane takes off pretty much on time. After we're
airborne, I go for my minidiscs to listen to a particular one. It's not
there! Waitaminute! Half of my minidiscs are missing! What the hell?! I
don't know what happened. Maybe they fell out in the rental car and all
managed to hide under the seat. I lost about ten of them, so I would think
I'd notice one of them sticking out or something. Oh well, that's one of
the reasons why I'd rather travel with minidisc copies instead of my
original CD's. Hopefully, the person who finds them will enjoy them. I was
still able to listen to Poland, the Paris 86 show, and most of Thief on the
plane. I read the trance booklet Jens gave me, and dozed off a bit. It was
hard to sleep with the way the lady sitting next to me was reacting to The
Count of Monte Cristo and the episode of Frasier they were showing on the
flight. But oh well...
The rest of the trip is just getting back to Phoenix, getting my stuff, and
having my dad pick me up and take me to my house. But I won't bother with
mentioning it. Oh, actually, I guess I just did! :-)
Well, that's pretty much it for me this year. I think this may be the
longest Oke report I've given yet. It was wonderful getting to meet
everyone again this year, and meeting the new people this year. It was also
wonderful that Steve and Jens were both able to come on short notice, and
that they apparently really enjoyed themselves. They are a couple of really
nice guys, and I enjoyed jamming with them, and dancing to their music. I
just want to thank everyone for their part of making this wonderful event so
wonderful, and Vic for organizing the whole friggin thing. I don't think
I'd be able to do such a thing like that.
Next year, we're planning on having it out in the southwest area, which is
much closer to where I live. If it is possible for me, I will bring my
drumset for the next gathering, that way we can have some acoustic drums to
add to the electronic instruments. And hopefully, there's some people that
will be able to join us on this side of the country that couldn't before. I
am looking forward to the next one, definitely!
Thank you for reading this far. I hope you enjoyed my account.
Sincerely,
Dave B.
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 10:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree naming
>From: 'Owens, James'
>I have this recurring fantasy about buying a yacht and cruising down the
>Tennessee river listing to classic TD
Well, if you're going to be listing, you would have to be in a sailboat
rather than a yacht, lol. By the way, I have been down the Inland Waterway
on a sailboat listening to TD music, don't remember which one, but it did
seem like a very special, pleasurable moment in time. Maybe one year, the
Ricochet Gathering will consider taking houseboats up/down the Tenn-Tom!!
8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 9:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke in Norwegian commercial
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Olav Neander'
> I just found that Christopher Franke's 'Silence Of The Eclipse' is the
> music in the TV commercial for the Norwegian mineral water 'Farris'!
Olav, which Farris commercial is that? Dont they always use the same tune as
before, in new versions? You know the tune I mean :-)
Glenn
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Stores
I used to go to a local Independent Record Store in Uptown
Whittier to get my TD.....unfortunately the only TD you'll find there now
is in the Previously Listened bin
I asked the owner about this and he replied that he had to stop
stocking TD because it doesn't move as fast as other merchandise and he
can't afford to have copies just sitting there.
Although I *can* special order TD and get 10% off
As for my retail TD buying (when I do go looking in the store),
it's usually Tower or Best Buy
The last few times I've bought TD, I've gone e-shopping at
CDNOW.....what I like about CDNOW is the ability to pre-order stuph so you
can snarf a copy as soon as it releases. I got DM3 delivered to my mailbox
2 days *before* it 'officially' hit the shelves!
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Stores
excellent way to do it
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PENFOLD'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Stores
> I used to go to a local Independent Record Store in Uptown
> Whittier to get my TD.....unfortunately the only TD you'll find there now
> is in the Previously Listened bin
> I asked the owner about this and he replied that he had to stop
> stocking TD because it doesn't move as fast as other merchandise and he
> can't afford to have copies just sitting there.
> Although I *can* special order TD and get 10% off
>
> As for my retail TD buying (when I do go looking in the store),
> it's usually Tower or Best Buy
> The last few times I've bought TD, I've gone e-shopping at
> CDNOW.....what I like about CDNOW is the ability to pre-order stuph so you
> can snarf a copy as soon as it releases. I got DM3 delivered to my mailbox
> 2 days *before* it 'officially' hit the shelves!
>
>
>
> Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
> mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
> Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
> 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have
the
> $$.....Damn!!!!!
> 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
> Feldman
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at:
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
>
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> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
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> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
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>
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From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:07
am
Subject: Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson***
Peter,
I note that you are near Whittier, which I assume means Whittier in Southern
California.
There is a place called 'Super Collector' that stocks some cool Tangerine
Dream stuff. Along with a whole slew of soundtrack music, mostly TV show
sound tracks and sci-fi sound tracks. It's a sci-fi / horror / anime
collector shop, with lots of collectable toys, posters, museum-type stuff,
you name it. Their soundtrack collection is outstanding, really. Touted as
among the largest in the world.
I've been there several times (it's about 90 miles away from me), and found
plenty of nifty Tangerine Dream CDs.
I'm sure you can find all the same on line, no doubt. But it's always fun to
browse in person, eh?
Anyway, if you make it out there, let me know what you think.
The store is not far from 'Mile Square Park.'
Try: www.supercollector.com
Here is the address:
Super Collector
9862 Chapman Ave.
Garden Grove, CA, 92841
800-997-2434
714-636-8700
714-636-8585 Fax
I personally think it's worth a trip. Weird place. Lotsa CDs. Some Tangerine
Dream.
By the way, I really like your CD garden page. I think I'll start a 'tree'
of my own.
James Horecka, AIA, Architect
jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson***
affectionately called garbage grove...
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'James Horecka, AIA'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: [tadream] Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson***
> Peter,
>
> I note that you are near Whittier, which I assume means Whittier in
Southern
> California.
>
> There is a place called 'Super Collector' that stocks some cool Tangerine
> Dream stuff. Along with a whole slew of soundtrack music, mostly TV show
> sound tracks and sci-fi sound tracks. It's a sci-fi / horror / anime
> collector shop, with lots of collectable toys, posters, museum-type stuff,
> you name it. Their soundtrack collection is outstanding, really. Touted as
> among the largest in the world.
>
> I've been there several times (it's about 90 miles away from me), and
found
> plenty of nifty Tangerine Dream CDs.
>
> I'm sure you can find all the same on line, no doubt. But it's always fun
to
> browse in person, eh?
>
> Anyway, if you make it out there, let me know what you think.
>
> The store is not far from 'Mile Square Park.'
>
> Try: www.supercollector.com
>
> Here is the address:
>
> Super Collector
> 9862 Chapman Ave.
> Garden Grove, CA, 92841
>
> 800-997-2434
> 714-636-8700
> 714-636-8585 Fax
>
> I personally think it's worth a trip. Weird place. Lotsa CDs. Some
Tangerine
> Dream.
>
> By the way, I really like your CD garden page. I think I'll start a 'tree'
> of my own.
>
> James Horecka, AIA, Architect
> jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka
>
>
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the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
'Miles MacMillan'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:44
am
Subject: OT: Soundcard advice etc.
Hi folks,
Sorry for being off-topic, but I know there are plenty of recording musicians
out there who might be qualified to give me some technical advice.
I am in the market for buying a new computer, with the hopes of using it to
make multi-track recordings of original songs using my Yamaha DX-7 synth (which
I am told limits me somewhat) and my electric bass as well as acoustic guitar.
I would like to know what type of soundcard I will need, what software, what
specs my computer will have to have etc.
I have to budget to a certain degree, so I hope I don't need to purchase
anything that is out of this world if you know what I mean.
Any help offlist would be appreciated. Thank you.
Miles MacMillan
np Tangerine Tree Volume 5 disc 1
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:15
am
Subject: Computer for multi-track recording
Well, you said off-list, but I'm sure there are a lot of people buying
computers left and right and if I can save even one person from the
Compaq/HP nightmare, it's worth going off-topic here.
Believe it or not, sound does not require a lot of CPU power except when
you are doing filters and equalization and reverb and need to 'render' the
effects to the file. Then it slogs the data around and performs a lot of
math performing all those operations. Otherwise, it's hard drive speed
that's the kicker.
Your best bet these days, except for laptops (then go Dell or Sony!!), is
to build your own computer or have a store build it.
The days of jumpers, dip switches, and connectors running any and
everywhere are over.
Modern motherboards have all the printer, USB, etc. connectors in a cluster
bolted to the motherboard. The motherboards now figure out what processor
and memory you have without being told.
You could realistically go from the ground up on a PC for $1,100 and be
thoroughly satisfied.
I'm thinking a
1200 MHz AMD Athlon (forget Intel) and fan
nice motherboard (Soyo, ECS)
512 MB RAM
ATX case + power supply
floppy
7200RPM 60GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar hard drive
GeForce 2 MX400 video card
keyboard
mouse
17' display
12x Plextor CD Recorder/Rewriter
As for the sound card, I will have to leave that up to others, but
obviously steer clear of any Creative Labs like Sound Blaster, especially
that PoS Audigy. Turtle Beach is about the lowest consumer-level card
around, but doesn't have 5 inputs.
Best of luck!
Oh, and put Windows 2000. Not 95, not 98, not ME, and not XP! Stable OS
with no bloat.
-Morgan
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Computer for multi-track recording
I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade.
Toshiba laptop. Screw compaq, hp, dell. Sony isn't that bad but they have
some quirks.
I now do the MOTU thing for a sound card and I am very happy.
Everything else looks fine, the 512 meg ram is a bit high but if you can
afford it?
If you really want to blaze a HD, go back to SCSI. Use the ide to store your
OS and software on, use teh SCSI to record to.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:15 PM
Subject: [tadream] Computer for multi-track recording
> Well, you said off-list, but I'm sure there are a lot of people buying
> computers left and right and if I can save even one person from the
> Compaq/HP nightmare, it's worth going off-topic here.
>
> Believe it or not, sound does not require a lot of CPU power except when
> you are doing filters and equalization and reverb and need to 'render' the
> effects to the file. Then it slogs the data around and performs a lot of
> math performing all those operations. Otherwise, it's hard drive speed
> that's the kicker.
>
>
> Your best bet these days, except for laptops (then go Dell or Sony!!), is
> to build your own computer or have a store build it.
>
> The days of jumpers, dip switches, and connectors running any and
> everywhere are over.
>
> Modern motherboards have all the printer, USB, etc. connectors in a
cluster
> bolted to the motherboard. The motherboards now figure out what processor
> and memory you have without being told.
>
>
> You could realistically go from the ground up on a PC for $1,100 and be
> thoroughly satisfied.
>
> I'm thinking a
> 1200 MHz AMD Athlon (forget Intel) and fan
> nice motherboard (Soyo, ECS)
> 512 MB RAM
> ATX case + power supply
> floppy
> 7200RPM 60GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar hard drive
> GeForce 2 MX400 video card
> keyboard
> mouse
> 17' display
> 12x Plextor CD Recorder/Rewriter
>
> As for the sound card, I will have to leave that up to others, but
> obviously steer clear of any Creative Labs like Sound Blaster, especially
> that PoS Audigy. Turtle Beach is about the lowest consumer-level card
> around, but doesn't have 5 inputs.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Oh, and put Windows 2000. Not 95, not 98, not ME, and not XP! Stable OS
> with no bloat.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
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>
>
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:09
am
Subject: The Classic Chillout Album
Hi All,
Just thought everyone would like to know about a CD I purchased today
titled The Classic Chillout Album.This is a compilation CD that has Love on a
Real Train.It is the version that appears on the Tangents Box Set.There are
also some other interesting artists on it including Moby,Delerium,Craig
Armstrong among others.
Rick
From:
Olav Neander
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke in Norwegian commercial
Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote:
>Olav, which Farris commercial is that? Dont they always use the same tune as
>before, in new versions? You know the tune I mean :-)
>
I'm not sure, maybe it's the same tune as in the 'verdens beste
maskineri...' commercials, I'm not so updated... I discovered the Franke
tune in the one with the guy relaxing in a cafe, with the blue bottle on
the table.
Olav
--
Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis -
ICQ# 9622825
From:
'braddito'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:21
am
Subject: Re: Record Stores - UK interest
The main releases are available at better prices at
www.timelapse-records.co.uk
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote:
> There are times when I've been to the Virgin Megastore in London
looking for TD and other artists and they don't have that much,
particlularly not their own label. HMV had more.
>
> So I am happy to use internet, ebay or Borders when in US. But
buying stuff that has to be posted from US costs too much. Its a
shame the postage rates aren't lower.
>
> David
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'cruggiero'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 12:02
pm
Subject: Oke 2002 report
Just wanted to post a quick message and say that I had a really
good time at the Ricochet Gathering. This was my first time there
and I didn't quite know what to expect. Sometimes you enter
situations where you have a preconceived notion about a place or
the people; I was completely wrong about the swamp - it was really
a nice place to visit and the cabins were great! As for the
people, it was nice, but very weird(!), being around other EM and
TD enthusiasts - most of my friends are not into EM or they just
don't get it.
Big thanks go out to:
- Vic for organizing it,
- Peter and John of AirSculpture, Steve and Jens of Star Sounds
Orchestra, Dave Brewer, and Bill Fox for the fantastic music and
the terrific conversation,
- All of the 'chefs' - the food was great,
- All of the fans that came out - it was nice to meet you all and
I hope to see you again at future gatherings.
I am going to work on putting up a website where I can post my
impressions and some pictures I took (that I need to have
developed). When I have it ready, I will post the link here and a
few other lists.
Carlo
From:
Dan Downey
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Computer for multi-track recording
I'll chuck 2 cents into this spec as well - if you're
going to use some serious software (Sonar, Reason,
etc.) then avoid a system board with built in sound
and video. You won't want to use them and they can
interfere with add in cards. You want an AGP slot for
video (some software supports dual monitors which can
be handy).
I'd also suggest 2 hard drives - 1 for your software
and OS and the second just for working and storing the
sound files. I've used the Turtle Beach cards as well
and found them very quiet which is nice. I also have
an Aardvark card I use for recording, all the
electronics on the card are shielded in an enclosed
block and has an external breakout box.
For laptop folk there are a number of companies who
have released USB external sound cards that are a vast
improvemnt over the internal ones.
I also heavily agree on Win2K as the OS - it is night
and day compered to Win98. I've had maybe 1 crash in 3
years and that was caused by a horrendous software
bug.
--- Morgan Feldon wrote:
> Well, you said off-list, but I'm sure there are a
> lot of people buying
> computers left and right and if I can save even one
> person from the
> Compaq/HP nightmare, it's worth going off-topic
> here.
>
> Believe it or not, sound does not require a lot of
> CPU power except when
> you are doing filters and equalization and reverb
> and need to 'render' the
> effects to the file. Then it slogs the data around
> and performs a lot of
> math performing all those operations. Otherwise,
> it's hard drive speed
> that's the kicker.
>
>
> Your best bet these days, except for laptops (then
> go Dell or Sony!!), is
> to build your own computer or have a store build it.
>
> The days of jumpers, dip switches, and connectors
> running any and
> everywhere are over.
>
> Modern motherboards have all the printer, USB, etc.
> connectors in a cluster
> bolted to the motherboard. The motherboards now
> figure out what processor
> and memory you have without being told.
>
>
> You could realistically go from the ground up on a
> PC for $1,100 and be
> thoroughly satisfied.
>
> I'm thinking a
> 1200 MHz AMD Athlon (forget Intel) and fan
> nice motherboard (Soyo, ECS)
> 512 MB RAM
> ATX case + power supply
> floppy
> 7200RPM 60GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar hard drive
> GeForce 2 MX400 video card
> keyboard
> mouse
> 17' display
> 12x Plextor CD Recorder/Rewriter
>
> As for the sound card, I will have to leave that up
> to others, but
> obviously steer clear of any Creative Labs like
> Sound Blaster, especially
> that PoS Audigy. Turtle Beach is about the lowest
> consumer-level card
> around, but doesn't have 5 inputs.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Oh, and put Windows 2000. Not 95, not 98, not ME,
> and not XP! Stable OS
> with no bloat.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from
> their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday,
> April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:16
pm
Subject: AMD
One more off-topic...
>Dale said:
>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade.
If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your
fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long
time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's
world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge.
Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay
more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM?
Let's let this continue in private.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:22
pm
Subject: OT: Building a PC
>Dan Downey said:
>
>I'll chuck 2 cents into this spec as well - if you're
>going to use some serious software (Sonar, Reason,
>etc.) then avoid a system board with built in sound
>and video. You won't want to use them and they can
>interfere with add in cards. You want an AGP slot for
>video (some software supports dual monitors which can
>be handy).
It's getting hard to get a motherboard that doesn't have sound and video
tacked on. Fortunately, most of the new motherboards let you completely
disable these watered-down cards and use cards you add yourself.
I agree with the idea of getting maybe a 20GB system drive with Windows
2000 and all your tools, and then a 40-60GB data drive, and then the
burner, each on their own IDE cable.
-Morgan
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:16
pm
Subject: Oke Report - thanks!
Dave,
Thanks for the fantastic Oke report. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it on this
blah morning at the office. Gee, it sounds like it was a lot of fun. Maybe it's
time to start saving up right now to try and make it to one of these maybe next
year!!!
Did you say there's talk of doing one in the Southwest next year? That would be
way cool IMO!!!
I went to a one-week long Bryce seminar at the Ghost Ranch outside of Abiquiu a
couple years ago and that was a very cool location. The Ghost Ranch was cool
because food and lodging, etc. was all right on site and part of the package.
We took over a bunch of rooms and had a hall all to ourselves for all of the
computer gear. We were out in the middle of nowhere, yet we were only about an
hour or so away from Santa Fe.
It was a beautiful location with lots of hiking and spectacular natural sites,
and I'm only writing all of this because I think the Southwest (in addition to
Oke) is another place that would (IMO) lend itself wonderfully to the whole
atmosphere of TD and related music.
The Ghost Ranch seems like it would be the absolute perfect location for such
an event.
At any rate, thanks for brightening up my day and reminding me that there are
other cool things out there and lots of great music to look forward to!!!
Wes
BTW: This Ghost Ranch seminar was related to Planetary Traveller, which Paul
Haslinger did the music to. So, there is a TD connection there!
:-)
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD
At 10:16 25.04.02 , you wrote:
>One more off-topic...
>
>>Dale said:
>>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade.
>
>If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your
>fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long
>time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's
>world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge.
>
>Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay
>more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM?
>
>Let's let this continue in private.
>
>-Morgan
>
Hi Folks,
just for your info:
Steinberg´s software is now officially optimized for the AMD Athlon
processor´s , which means they have pretty much given up on Intel. A
Steinberg technician told me that Intel has integrated some features into
the Pentium 4 that make it far inferior to the Athlon in regard to
audio-performance.
If you plan to do multitrack-recording with maximum HD-performance - I
would opt for getting a mainboard with a built-in RAID-controller. Then you
can take two identical harddiscs and build a RAID 0-array for your audio
recording - your computer will then recognize the two discs as one big
disc, thus doubling the data-transfer-rate. This will outdo any SCSI-unit
and will most probably also cost a lot less (SCSI discs are very
expensive). Oh yes, for IDE/ATA-harddiscs - make sure that you go for Ultra
ATA 100-discs with 7200 rpm as this will also increase performance.
Hope this helped. I can run around 60 audio tracks plus plugins plus 4
softsynths on an Athlon 1500 XP with a RAID 0 array on an ASUS A7V Mainboard.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD
At 10:16 25.04.02 , you wrote:
>One more off-topic...
>
>>Dale said:
>>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade.
>
>If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your
>fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long
>time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's
>world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge.
>
>Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay
>more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM?
>
>Let's let this continue in private.
>
>-Morgan
>
Hi Folks,
just for your info:
Steinberg´s software is now officially optimized for the AMD Athlon
processor´s , which means they have pretty much given up on Intel. A
Steinberg technician told me that Intel has integrated some features into
the Pentium 4 that make it far inferior to the Athlon in regard to
audio-performance.
If you plan to do multitrack-recording with maximum HD-performance - I
would opt for getting a mainboard with a built-in RAID-controller. Then you
can take two identical harddiscs and build a RAID 0-array for your audio
recording - your computer will then recognize the two discs as one big
disc, thus doubling the data-transfer-rate. This will outdo any SCSI-unit
and will most probably also cost a lot less (SCSI discs are very
expensive). Oh yes, for IDE/ATA-harddiscs - make sure that you go for Ultra
ATA 100-discs with 7200 rpm as this will also increase performance.
Hope this helped. I can run around 60 audio tracks plus plugins plus 4
softsynths on an Athlon 1500 XP with a RAID 0 array on an ASUS A7V Mainboard.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:15
pm
Subject: Wollo
Is anyone planning on attending this weekend Erik Wollo concert in Philly?
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From:
'dreamsector'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:28
pm
Subject: OT sound card
I would steer clear of Turtle Bitch, IMO, having had a couple. They are
nice, but really nothing more than a glorified Sound Blaster contender
and problematic in my experience.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD
This is starting to sound so much like the PC / MAC view that I refuse to
comment any further. Just use what works for you. If you are not in the
business of making computers then keep it to yourself.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD
At 10:16 25.04.02 , you wrote:
>One more off-topic...
>
>>Dale said:
>>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade.
>
>If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your
>fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long
>time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's
>world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge.
>
>Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay
>more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM?
>
>Let's let this continue in private.
>
>-Morgan
>
Hi Folks,
just for your info:
Steinberg´s software is now officially optimized for the AMD Athlon
processor´s , which means they have pretty much given up on Intel. A
Steinberg technician told me that Intel has integrated some features into
the Pentium 4 that make it far inferior to the Athlon in regard to
audio-performance.
If you plan to do multitrack-recording with maximum HD-performance - I
would opt for getting a mainboard with a built-in RAID-controller. Then you
can take two identical harddiscs and build a RAID 0-array for your audio
recording - your computer will then recognize the two discs as one big
disc, thus doubling the data-transfer-rate. This will outdo any SCSI-unit
and will most probably also cost a lot less (SCSI discs are very
expensive). Oh yes, for IDE/ATA-harddiscs - make sure that you go for Ultra
ATA 100-discs with 7200 rpm as this will also increase performance.
Hope this helped. I can run around 60 audio tracks plus plugins plus 4
softsynths on an Athlon 1500 XP with a RAID 0 array on an ASUS A7V
Mainboard.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT sound card
Same experience here but only with earlier TB cards. I have had better luck
with cards from TB in the last year.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'dreamsector'
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT sound card
> I would steer clear of Turtle Bitch, IMO, having had a couple. They are
> nice, but really nothing more than a glorified Sound Blaster contender
> and problematic in my experience.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Steve'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:37
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] AMD
Morgan said:
> But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is
> rocking Intel's
> world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge.
>
> Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to
> ask, why pay
> more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM?
I can't comment about how AMD chips cope with music software, but as far as
CPU intensive graphics software goes AMD leaves Intel standing. My 1.4GHz
Athlon gives performance equivalent to a 2GHz Pentium...
> Let's let this continue in private.
Sorry to continue in public, but I hate to see people spend money
needlessly!
Steve
www.craftman.co.uk
www.rottievision.com
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:41
pm
Subject: Ricochet Gathering
This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at
least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*.
Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under
the stars hopefully.
Vic said maybe we'll come back to Okefenokee for a 10 year anniversary. :)
I hope it stays in the US. There are enough European festivals I can't attend!
-Morgan
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke Report - thanks!
Hi Wes, was the Bryce seminar for the graphic software
Bryce? If so that's one of my favorite programs to
play with. I wish I had the time to really get into it
and a seminar would be a dream come true.
I have a number of web sites I maintain and one of
them has several Bryce images - www.djbits.com - I
setup this site to be a portal to a bunch of other
sites. If you check out the home page you'll easily
recognize a simple Bryce primitive. I've used it also
for some of the site logos.
I'm way behind in updating it and re-doing some of the
links but what I intend to do with all these sites is
provide a resource, primarily of other links for
people interested in Electronic Music and Digital
Graphics. Please let me know if you want me to build
any links in for any of your sites. I'm especially
fond of Bryce and love to see how people apply it.
DanD
--- Liondream@a... wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the fantastic Oke report. I thoroughly
> enjoyed reading it on this blah morning at the
> office. Gee, it sounds like it was a lot of fun.
> Maybe it's time to start saving up right now to try
> and make it to one of these maybe next year!!!
>
> Did you say there's talk of doing one in the
> Southwest next year? That would be way cool IMO!!!
>
> I went to a one-week long Bryce seminar at the Ghost
> Ranch outside of Abiquiu a couple years ago and that
> was a very cool location. The Ghost Ranch was cool
> because food and lodging, etc. was all right on site
> and part of the package. We took over a bunch of
> rooms and had a hall all to ourselves for all of the
> computer gear. We were out in the middle of nowhere,
> yet we were only about an hour or so away from Santa
> Fe.
>
> It was a beautiful location with lots of hiking and
> spectacular natural sites, and I'm only writing all
> of this because I think the Southwest (in addition
> to Oke) is another place that would (IMO) lend
> itself wonderfully to the whole atmosphere of TD and
> related music.
>
> The Ghost Ranch seems like it would be the absolute
> perfect location for such an event.
>
> At any rate, thanks for brightening up my day and
> reminding me that there are other cool things out
> there and lots of great music to look forward to!!!
>
> Wes
>
> BTW: This Ghost Ranch seminar was related to
> Planetary Traveller, which Paul Haslinger did the
> music to. So, there is a TD connection there!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 12:50
am
Subject: Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers...
Exactly. It is well known that the Athlon 1.4 can sometimes be even better
than a 2 GHz P4, and the more people know about that, the better.
I've been thinking in upgrading my processor (excellent Duron 800 I've been
using for a year). I only have to know if my motherboard can have a 1.4 Ath.
I haven't experienced any problems using the Duron 800 (with Asus A7V133
mobo) with music, but I don't use the computer for sampling or software
synths, only for recording and mixing from the hardware synth. I have a
Quantum Fireball PlusAS 40 GB, 7200 RPM, ATA100, which works really fine and
a SBLive Platinum 5.1, which I got because of the front panel with many
connections, including digital in and out. I have nothing to complain about
any of these, and the SB sound is clear and I can't notice any noise...
Although I do want in the future to get something more professional. Gotta
install win2k, btw. Just need time to do it... I REALLY need vacations now.
just to mention TD... np. 220V. Actually it's just ended this very moment.
Steve wrote:
> I can't comment about how AMD chips cope with music software, but as far as
CPU intensive graphics software goes AMD leaves Intel standing. My 1.4GHz
Athlon gives performance equivalent to a 2GHz Pentium...