From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:41
pm
Subject: [tree] FW: ftp
FYI:
there may be intermittent FTP availability until the upgrades are completed.
Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Dale Kay publicly for going
above and beyond by providing a zippity-fast FTP server for the SHN files..
TT2 promises to be a much smoother operation, and his server plays a
significant role.
THanks!
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:58 PM
To: Joe Shoults
Subject: ftp
Guess who showed up late this afternoon? FTP server will be down till I get
back to work in the AM, after 8am pst. It is trying to format the drive,
then I reset and strip it to teh rest of the raid. While it is stripping,
the system can be functional. Not while formating and I wasn't going to stay
3 or 4 hours tonight for that.
If it was up to me this would not be the case. Like I mentioned before, I
have not control on this one.
dale
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers...
Just in for you AMD fans.
AMD GETS WINDOWS BACKING FOR HAMMER | InfoWorld
Microsoft will offer a version of its Windows operating system for
Advanced Micro Device's 64-bit processors_code--named Hammer--as AMD
tries to gain some ground on Intel, which already has Microsoft's
backing for its own group of 64-bit chips. Able to address nearly
twice as much data than most PC chips, 64-bit chips are geared toward
those running database and ERP systems.
Of course I bet some of those AMD fans also think MS is evil so maybe
someone will make some adjustments for Linux for AMD.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers...
> Exactly. It is well known that the Athlon 1.4 can sometimes be even better
> than a 2 GHz P4, and the more people know about that, the better.
>
> I've been thinking in upgrading my processor (excellent Duron 800 I've
been
> using for a year). I only have to know if my motherboard can have a 1.4
Ath.
> I haven't experienced any problems using the Duron 800 (with Asus A7V133
> mobo) with music, but I don't use the computer for sampling or software
> synths, only for recording and mixing from the hardware synth. I have a
> Quantum Fireball PlusAS 40 GB, 7200 RPM, ATA100, which works really fine
and
> a SBLive Platinum 5.1, which I got because of the front panel with many
> connections, including digital in and out. I have nothing to complain
about
> any of these, and the SB sound is clear and I can't notice any noise...
> Although I do want in the future to get something more professional. Gotta
> install win2k, btw. Just need time to do it... I REALLY need vacations
now.
>
> just to mention TD... np. 220V. Actually it's just ended this very moment.
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > I can't comment about how AMD chips cope with music software, but as far
as CPU intensive graphics software goes AMD leaves Intel standing. My 1.4GHz
Athlon gives performance equivalent to a 2GHz Pentium...
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:51
am
Subject: Another Castle compilation!!
According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called 'Anthology'
by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but it seems like
yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=1-12/ref=s\
r_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249
- Chris
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:53
pm
Subject: laptops crusoe chips...to yourself...
Just curious, anyone here have experience with the 'new' crusoe chips from
transmeta?
www.transmeta.com
seems they are lower in power usage and heat than the usual big company
chips....
--T
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From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering
>Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under
>the stars hopefully.
>-Morgan
Yes!!! Let's go to the Mojave! I have been suggesting
this for years.
Pal
From:
'convention24'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:34
pm
Subject: Re: Another Castle compilation!!
--- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote:
> According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something
called 'Anthology' by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing
as yet, but it seems like yet another compilation of the blue and
pink years no doubt!
>
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=
1-12/ref=sr_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249
>
> - Chris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bloody hell not another Castle compilation,they must be making a
mint,but knowing the TD guzzlers that we are,we will be first in the
cue.Tangerine Dream-Still the Worlds number 1.
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering
In a message dated 4/25/02 1:50:13 PM, feldon@f... writes:
>This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at
>least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*.
>Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under
>the stars hopefully.
Is the date likely to be roughly the same? I'd love to attend one of these
gatherings, but as long as it takes place during the school year, I won't be
able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.)
--Daniel
NP: Backspace - Clockwork Pathogen
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From:
'Steve'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:14
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Upcoming Bryce Seminar
And another Bryce person here... I've used it since version 2 and was a beta
tester for version 5.
When Heiko said that two other people would be doing artwork for TT3, I'm
hoping I was one of the people he meant - if not, how about TT4? :)
Obligatory TD reference to stay on topic: TD is the best Brycing music,
especially when working on new techniques/ideas. I listen to so much TD when
I'm working that when I put music on for the dogs when I need to leave them
alone they always get TD!
Steve
www.craftman.co.uk
www.rottievision.com
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From:
'dreamsector'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 9:06
pm
Subject: OT: Bryce
Maybe Bryce isn't as OT to TD as we might think... I was wondering
about some of those images on some of the recent cover art -
specifically the space ships on DMIII.
I figure KPT is in there somewhere too.
TD definitely is the best Brycing music - and driving music too!!!
--- In tadream@y..., 'Steve' wrote:
> And another Bryce person here... I've used it since version 2 and was a beta
> tester for version 5.
>
> When Heiko said that two other people would be doing artwork for TT3, I'm
> hoping I was one of the people he meant - if not, how about TT4? :)
> Obligatory TD reference to stay on topic: TD is the best Brycing music,
> especially when working on new techniques/ideas. I listen to so much TD when
> I'm working that when I put music on for the dogs when I need to leave them
> alone they always get TD!
>
> Steve
>
> www.craftman.co.uk
> www.rottievision.com
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 10:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Castle compilation!!
Those Castle compilations aren't endorsed by Edgar....that was mentioned on the
TD site once before...and I don't think Edgar is the least bit happy about
their unauthorized releases like those....I know i'm not
thrilled with them.
Chris Owen wrote:
> According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called 'Anthology'
by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but it seems like
yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt!
>
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=1-12/ref=s\
r_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249
>
> - Chris
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the
Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 10:59
pm
Subject: School Year
>quarlie asked:
>
> >This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at
> >least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*.
> >Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under
> >the stars hopefully.
>
>Is the date likely to be roughly the same? I'd love to attend one of these
>gatherings, but as long as it takes place during the school year, I won't be
>able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.)
Don't they have spring break up there?
I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a
'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that much
more nazi lately?
Okefenokee in June, July, or August would be a health hazard. Someone would
have to carry my limp, sweating body. Even this year, it was ~5 degrees
north of my ideal temp, but the frequent cool breezes made it all ok.
Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty miserable.
I hope you can attend next year's. They're once in a lifetime events.
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year
> Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty
miserable
Since I live in Lancaster CA, part of this desert and I drive past Mojave
every day to work and back, April - May isn't that bad. I would extend
September to include October and if like last year November into that mix.
(ô ô)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: [tadream] School Year
>
> >quarlie asked:
> >
> > >This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at
> > >least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*.
> > >Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music
under
> > >the stars hopefully.
> >
> >Is the date likely to be roughly the same? I'd love to attend one of
these
> >gatherings, but as long as it takes place during the school year, I won't
be
> >able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.)
>
> Don't they have spring break up there?
>
> I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a
> 'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that
much
> more nazi lately?
>
> Okefenokee in June, July, or August would be a health hazard. Someone
would
> have to carry my limp, sweating body. Even this year, it was ~5 degrees
> north of my ideal temp, but the frequent cool breezes made it all ok.
>
> Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty
miserable.
>
> I hope you can attend next year's. They're once in a lifetime events.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year
In a message dated 4/25/02 7:04:51 PM, feldon@f... writes:
>Don't they have spring break up there?
My 'spring' break was the first week of March. How that qualifies as spring,
I have no idea.
>I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a
>'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that much
>more nazi lately?
I don't know if you're talking college or K-12, but with most of my
professors I wouldn't want to risk it. Maybe I'm just too obedient. ;)
>Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty miserable.
Good point. I guess there's always winter break. How's mid-December sound? ;)
--Daniel
NP: Ricochet (selected at random by my computer just as I was getting my
mail--how cosmic is that?)
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 12:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Wollo
-----Original Message-----
From: michaeljean@e...
>Is anyone planning on attending this weekend Erik Wollo concert in Philly?
Most definitely YES!!! Perhaps I'll wear my Ricochet Gathering t-shirt so you
can spot me between the stage and the pews in my portable chair (blue with
footrest).
Cheers,
Bill
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:29
am
Subject: My Okefenokee Report (very long)
Dave:
Great Okefenokee report! You've covered the bases
right well, especially the 'dance' we had on the last
day. It was a lot of fun to be outdoors, listening to
the music, and working off the hamburgers.
We got some great pix of various moments and will be
posting them as soon as we get less fatigued. We have
a good one of Patrick Vek playing Jens drum device and
one of Tom 'Beerhammer' George with his helmet on. A
nice addendum to the event for us was the trip back to
Atlanta, following the Vic-mobile, with the rest of
the luggage and equipment for the SSO. We all stopped
for gas and snacks somewhere on the interstate, and
Jens and Steve had a Krispy Kreme attack. We got a
nice picture of that too.
It was also very interesting to hear of your 'inside'
perspective on the Planetary Ambiance performance.
From my vantage point, I could pick up on who was
making what contribution, and I really liked the
sounds you introduced to the piece. I was also lucky
to pick up one of your mini-CDs from last year, and it
was the first thing I listened to when I got home. You
definitely have a way with a keyboard, fella!
I'm glad to report that my husband, Roger, had a great
time and enjoyed the music. It was our first chance to
be together on an 'adventure' in quite sometime, and
Okefenokee was the right thing to do!
Adios,
Deb H-J (Cabin 4)
dhj4@y...
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Castle compilation!!
>Those Castle compilations aren't endorsed by Edgar....that was mentioned on
>the TD site once before...and I don't think Edgar is the least bit happy
>about their unauthorized releases like those....I know i'm not
>thrilled with them.
>
>Chris Owen wrote:
>
> > According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called
>'Anthology' by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but
>it seems like yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt!
> >
> >
>http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=1-12/ref=\
sr_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249
> >
> > - Chris
AARGH! NOT another of those! Why do they have to make 100s of them? Couldn't
they just stick with the ones there already are? And they're (nearly) all
from either Pink/Blue or Virgin years, never from all three. Too bad that
the rights are spreadt that unevenly; it would even be more sensible if
these 'anthologies' really would take their 'best of' from ALL the years
70-88.
If I could make a sampler, it wouldn't be just more or less random tracks
from a restricted time period - I'd include a theme of sorts. I've eg.
though up a nice 3CD collection of dark tracks, ranging from Zeit to
Poland... Haven't actually produced that one, I've found no use for that so
far.
Other nice compilation ideas I've thought up:
-genre collections, specializing in TD:s more rocking / ambient / techno
output
-a collection of 'urban' tracks (probably ranging from Le Parc to What A
Blast)
John Vertical
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:34
am
Subject: Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax)
Hi all,
since Monday, I find at least 3 infected Emails per day
in my Inbox. It seems this little animal is running wild
at the moment:
http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.gen@m...
If you haven't updated you Anitvirus recently, now is
a good time to do So! Symantec also offers a removal tool
under the above link if you already have caught it.
Careful, the subject lines and names of the attachment
are random, not always the same as with 'I love you'
and similar worms.
safe surfing
klaus
--
Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683
Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631
D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754
Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142
............................................http://www.caby.de
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year
Could I suggest that the gathering will some day be held in
...
Dammit. I was going to suggest some place near where Rubicon flows, but...
no-one knows anymore which river once had that name.
But I wonder how long a time it'll take before we can set up an Alpha
Centauri gathering...? ;-)
Now onwards to some OT...
> >I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a
> >'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that
>much
> >more nazi lately?
>
>I don't know if you're talking college or K-12, but with most of my
>professors I wouldn't want to risk it. Maybe I'm just too obedient. ;)
A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does 'K-12' exactly
mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include eg. elementary
school or vocotional training?
John Vertical
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:14
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] School Year
K = Kindergarten (usually age 5-6)
1 = First Grade (6-7)
...
12 = Senior in High School (last year before college)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does
> 'K-12' exactly
> mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include
> eg. elementary
> school or vocotional training?
>
> John Vertical
From:
Winston
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:46
pm
Subject: AMD 'Hammer' is now named Opteron
wrote:
> Advanced Micro Device's 64-bit processors_code--named Hammer
AMD recently announced that SledgeHammer's official name will be
Opteron.
> maybe someone will make some adjustments for Linux for AMD.
Yes, I think Linux announced some time ago that it will support x86-64.
-WBE
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:45
pm
Subject: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming)
Of course I meant a sailing yacht! Powerboats are a little noisy for good
listening. There never seems to be a lack of wind down the river, but I
wonder how often it's blowing the right direction?
Never done any sailing myself, but always wanted to.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> Well, if you're going to be listing, you would have to be in
> a sailboat
> rather than a yacht, lol. By the way, I have been down the
> Inland Waterway
> on a sailboat listening to TD music, don't remember which
> one, but it did
> seem like a very special, pleasurable moment in time. Maybe
> one year, the
> Ricochet Gathering will consider taking houseboats up/down
> the Tenn-Tom!!
> 8-) Dell
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax)
Yes it is. Here at my day job we are averaging 5 a day, which is about 100
users or 5%.
Yesterday was light, only 2. This virus uses other's e-mail address so you
have to look close at the headers to see where it really came from. Then
call them if you do a look up. Most are not aware they are sending these out
behind their backs as they do not know they are sending to everyone on their
address list.
Just make sure your Anti-Virus is up to date then follow the instructions.
Here is what works with the software I use, delete, then cancel download.
Now I have a chance to examine the properties for header info, then nuke it,
make sure it is out of deleted folder too.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'Beschorner METAL'
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:34 AM
Subject: [tadream] Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax)
>
> Hi all,
> since Monday, I find at least 3 infected Emails per day
> in my Inbox. It seems this little animal is running wild
> at the moment:
>
> http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.gen@m...
>
> If you haven't updated you Anitvirus recently, now is
> a good time to do So! Symantec also offers a removal tool
> under the above link if you already have caught it.
>
> Careful, the subject lines and names of the attachment
> are random, not always the same as with 'I love you'
> and similar worms.
>
> safe surfing
> klaus
> --
>
> Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683
> Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631
> D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754
> Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142
> ............................................http://www.caby.de
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year
>>>A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does 'K-12' exactly
mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include eg. elementary
school or vocotional training?
The politically correct story, Kindergarten to 12 grade.
The real story, public tax money paid brain washing day-care.
I taught high school for 4 years, this was a observation from the inside.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year
> Could I suggest that the gathering will some day be held in
> ...
> Dammit. I was going to suggest some place near where Rubicon flows, but...
> no-one knows anymore which river once had that name.
> But I wonder how long a time it'll take before we can set up an Alpha
> Centauri gathering...? ;-)
>
> Now onwards to some OT...
>
>
> > >I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a
> > >'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that
> >much
> > >more nazi lately?
> >
> >I don't know if you're talking college or K-12, but with most of my
> >professors I wouldn't want to risk it. Maybe I'm just too obedient. ;)
>
>
> A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does 'K-12' exactly
> mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include eg. elementary
> school or vocotional training?
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:43
pm
Subject: Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming)
What about desert sailing?
;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Owens, James'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming)
> Of course I meant a sailing yacht! Powerboats are a little noisy for good
> listening. There never seems to be a lack of wind down the river, but I
> wonder how often it's blowing the right direction?
>
> Never done any sailing myself, but always wanted to.
>
> James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Well, if you're going to be listing, you would have to be in
> > a sailboat
> > rather than a yacht, lol. By the way, I have been down the
> > Inland Waterway
> > on a sailboat listening to TD music, don't remember which
> > one, but it did
> > seem like a very special, pleasurable moment in time. Maybe
> > one year, the
> > Ricochet Gathering will consider taking houseboats up/down
> > the Tenn-Tom!!
> > 8-) Dell
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Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 5:23
pm
Subject: test
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 5:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] test
test looks good
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Kevin Keller'
To: 'Tadream Group'
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: [tadream] test
>
>
> --
> Kevin Keller
> Composer/Producer
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> Thursday, May 30 at 8 pm
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>
From:
'artofvision01'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:48
pm
Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering
>
> Is the date likely to be roughly the same?
>I'd love to attend one of these
> gatherings, but as long as it takes place
>during the school year, I won't be
> able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.)
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Backspace - Clockwork Pathogen
He, he, he. I'm in school about one of every five days these month.
But preparing to the university exams really takes much time...
Especially, math.
AoV
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Upcoming Bryce Seminar
Steve said 'When Heiko said that two other people would be doing artwork
for TT3, I'm hoping I was one of the people he meant - if not, how about
TT4? :)'
I've been hoping you would do some artwork for the tree or TD would
commission you to do some covers for them. Your art and their music just
seem meant for each other.
David
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'Steve'
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Upcoming Bryce Seminar
David said:
> I've been hoping you would do some artwork for the tree or TD would
> commission you to do some covers for them. Your art and their music just
> seem meant for each other.
Why thank you sir!
I'm working on ideas for CD artwork and there are two things I'm find very
exciting: the more prosaic of the two is that I'm working with aspect ratios
I haven't really used much before, and the second is that since we upgraded
our home network I have something like twelve times(!) the processing power
I had last time I updated my homepage. The net result, of course, is that
I'm working slower than ever because I've got the CPU power to explore all
those little byways and tweaks...
Steve
www.craftman.co.uk
www.rottievision.com
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:11
am
Subject: Viruses
I am getting so damn irritated with these viruses. I'm getting a TON of
them, and other people are getting them from what looks like my address.
I wish I could just ban Outlook and Outlook Express users from the Internet.
Eudora is not vulnerable to this crap. It blocks ALL scripts/java/activeX,
has NO vulnerabilities of this kind, AND it even has a shell extension that
warns you if you double click on an exe, com, bat, scr, or other executable
which came in as an attachment to your e-mail.
In contrast, Outlook and Outlook Express roll out the welcome mat to viruses.
I am still using Eudora from 4 years ago and have never had a virus.
Since that time, there have been 4 versions and 20 security patches to
Outlook/OE and there are still more vulnerabilities being found.
-Morgan
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> I am getting so damn irritated with these viruses. I'm getting a TON of
> them, and other people are getting them from what looks like my address.
>
> I wish I could just ban Outlook and Outlook Express users from the
> Internet.
>
> Eudora is not vulnerable to this crap. It blocks ALL
> scripts/java/activeX, has NO vulnerabilities of this kind, AND it even
> has a shell extension that warns you if you double click on an exe, com,
> bat, scr, or other executable which came in as an attachment to your
> e-mail.
>
> In contrast, Outlook and Outlook Express roll out the welcome mat to
> viruses.
>
> I am still using Eudora from 4 years ago and have never had a virus.
>
> Since that time, there have been 4 versions and 20 security patches to
> Outlook/OE and there are still more vulnerabilities being found.
Two points:
1 - I use Netscape and (here comes the important part) I *never*
configured Outlook. I've had no problems either.
2 - IE *can* be configured to be safe/safer. It just doesn't come that way
out of the 'box' -- sorry, I don't know about Outlook but this may fix it
too. If anyone wants my browsable instructions for making IE safe (done to
help friends and business acquaintences) request it, off list please.
Ciao -- Mark
--
See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/
See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/
Last updated: 14 April 2002
Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
>I am getting so damn irritated with these viruses. I'm getting a TON of
>them, and other people are getting them from what looks like my address.
>
>I wish I could just ban Outlook and Outlook Express users from the
>Internet.
>
>Eudora is not vulnerable to this crap. It blocks ALL scripts/java/activeX,
>has NO vulnerabilities of this kind, AND it even has a shell extension that
>warns you if you double click on an exe, com, bat, scr, or other executable
>which came in as an attachment to your e-mail.
>
>In contrast, Outlook and Outlook Express roll out the welcome mat to
>viruses.
>
>I am still using Eudora from 4 years ago and have never had a virus.
>
>Since that time, there have been 4 versions and 20 security patches to
>Outlook/OE and there are still more vulnerabilities being found.
>
>-Morgan
So we can draw the conclusion to not to trust in Microsoft?
For all the 5 years we've had an internet connection, we've never had a
virus infection 'cos we have a Mac. That's because of 'commonness
attraction': The percentage of PC viruses is much greater than the
percentage PCs out of other computers... Similarily, there're almost never
any other than supranational companies featured in urban legends - or any TD
on the radio...
John Vertical
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
You know it won't matter what you say. You can't make that horse drink
water. You can beat a dead horse which this thread is heading.
You could say that it is a lot easier to program such critters on a PC than
a MAC or anything else (UNIX). Each system has a pro and a con. Each person
who uses them have their reasons. The reasons do not have to be grounded in
logic.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
>
> So we can draw the conclusion to not to trust in Microsoft?
> For all the 5 years we've had an internet connection, we've never had a
> virus infection 'cos we have a Mac. That's because of 'commonness
> attraction': The percentage of PC viruses is much greater than the
> percentage PCs out of other computers... Similarily, there're almost never
> any other than supranational companies featured in urban legends - or any
TD
> on the radio...
>
> John Vertical
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:13
pm
Subject: Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming)
At 02.04.26-08:43, Administrator for kay-net.com wrote:
>What about desert sailing?
Ooooh!
Land Sailing.....great fun
your butt's about a foot from the ground and it seems *sooo* fast!
I did this about 20 years ago at El Mirage Dry Lake in CA, lots of
fun!
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
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1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Viruses
Mark,
Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was
infected.... I sent you a message to notify you....
MJ
> Two points:
>
> 1 - I use Netscape and (here comes the important part) I *never*
> configured Outlook. I've had no problems either.
>
> 2 - IE *can* be configured to be safe/safer. It just doesn't come that way
> out of the 'box' -- sorry, I don't know about Outlook but this may fix it
> too. If anyone wants my browsable instructions for making IE safe (done to
> help friends and business acquaintences) request it, off list please.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
> --
> See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/
> See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/
> Last updated: 14 April 2002
> Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:35
pm
Subject: Viruses
>Michael A Jean said:
>
>Mark,
>
>Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was
>infected.... I sent you a message to notify you....
>
>MJ
Actually, that's not how it's working.
When people get infected, the virus does virtual cross-pollination.
It sends out viruses to people in your address book, but changes the From
headers to match other friends in your address book.
Even though I am not infected, people are receiving viruses that look like
they're from me.
Outlook/Outlook Express = the Devil
-Morgan
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: Inferno CD prob
I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player,
but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this
peculiarity?
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
>I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player,
>but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this
>peculiarity?
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael A. Jean
How old these CD players are? I mean, one of my CD players is quite old, and
it refuses to play some CDRs. A peculiar phenomenon is that some of them
sometimes work and sometimes don't; eg. if I try o play my CDR copy of
Melrose, it says nothing if the last album played wasn't TD too. (So it is
playable 99% of the time. ;) Or, Equinoxe (also on CDR) defuses to play
unless I've played some other Jarre album before.
I suppose this has something to do with CD header data?
Of course, these speculations are almost alchemy; just wild guesses without
any proof about anything.
John Vertical
np: KS - Moondawn. I just bought it, and this stuff is just BRILLIANT. I'm
in trance...
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
you know
it's keeps you on your toes
these viruses
if it wasn't for them
I might be looking for a job
in a way
I am so glad to hear
that I will be employed for at least
a few more months
till someone comes to their senses
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:38 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Viruses
> Mark,
>
> Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was
> infected.... I sent you a message to notify you....
>
> MJ
>
>
> > Two points:
> >
> > 1 - I use Netscape and (here comes the important part) I *never*
> > configured Outlook. I've had no problems either.
> >
> > 2 - IE *can* be configured to be safe/safer. It just doesn't come that
way
> > out of the 'box' -- sorry, I don't know about Outlook but this may fix
it
> > too. If anyone wants my browsable instructions for making IE safe (done
to
> > help friends and business acquaintences) request it, off list please.
> >
> > Ciao -- Mark
> > --
> > See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/
> > See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/
> > Last updated: 14 April 2002
> > Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
> > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
car player not being able to play cd-r's or not being multisession.
or perhaps a bit of sorcery
burn the witches
but if you are on a sinking ship, I hear they float like wood
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To: 'Tadreamonelist'
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player,
> but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this
> peculiarity?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael A. Jean
>
>
>
>
> Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a
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> free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address.
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>
> The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across
the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> Tune in to the live internet stream at
> http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra
> (more info at http://www.kpfa.org)
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
I knew it................it was you who did it Dale.......just to be employed a
bit longer......=O)
Jan
> you know
> it's keeps you on your toes
> these viruses
> if it wasn't for them
> I might be looking for a job
> in a way
> I am so glad to hear
> that I will be employed for at least
> a few more months
> till someone comes to their senses
>
> dale
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
I need to buy that karma, a5000, mellotron, and other goodies. Of course
donations are always accepted to this non-profit.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
> I knew it................it was you who did it Dale.......just to be
employed a bit longer......=O)
>
> Jan
> > you know
> > it's keeps you on your toes
> > these viruses
> > if it wasn't for them
> > I might be looking for a job
> > in a way
> > I am so glad to hear
> > that I will be employed for at least
> > a few more months
> > till someone comes to their senses
> >
> > dale
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
Michael A Jean wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was
> infected.... I sent you a message to notify you....
Some virus must have gotten my address from someone's address book and
spoofed it. I have no viruses. I'm behind a firewall that filters in both
directions, in and out. Nothing leaves my machine that I don't know about.
Ciao -- Mark (...wearing his condominium...)
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
sad but true
We have had several at my day job all upset because they got notices they
sent viruses out to others. Not true, just spoofed address. If you did into
the header you will see who sent it to you. The Klez virus is excellent in
doing this. It even takes all those cute little CC and forwards with the ton
of address and uses that. The short of it, beware and update your AV often.
On the other hand for those who use Eudora, it doesn't stop the dim wit from
running that attachment when they get it. You still have to use some sense
not to run something from someone you never heard of. As well as still do it
when the AV tells you there is a virus.
I know not a cure for boneheads other than allowing them to go the way of
the dodo.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: ; 'Michael A Jean'
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
> Michael A Jean wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was
> > infected.... I sent you a message to notify you....
>
> Some virus must have gotten my address from someone's address book and
> spoofed it. I have no viruses. I'm behind a firewall that filters in both
> directions, in and out. Nothing leaves my machine that I don't know about.
>
> Ciao -- Mark (...wearing his condominium...)
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses
The cure to all Viruses is just to play some TD and relax. Perhaps with
friends, perhaps with wine, perhaps with a beer or just some water. Just get
out your CD's and play some TD. Pity the fool who never heard of TD.
:-)
dale
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
Hi Michael. Are you referring to disc 3 of the 'TT' project or TDI's
official release? If it's the latter, I'm wondering whether it might be that
it's a Cactus copy-protected disc? This has recently been introduced to try
and prevent CD copying on PCs etc. Trouble is, I don't know whether TDI
would be using such a system, and who does the pressing for them?. BMG
issued some without any warning on CD sleeves etc and people have been
experiencing incapability problems when using some CD players. If you have a
CD writer, or know someone who does, see if the disc can be easily copied to
a CD-RW -- after all, that was the reason behind it all. If you have great
difficulty, or find it impossible, I would guess that's the problem.
It seems that BMG have now backed down on using this anti-copying system
because of all the complaints.
Of course, there might be a totally different explanation for the problem.
Can't think what, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To: 'Tadreamonelist'
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:24 AM
Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player,
> but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this
> peculiarity?
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: Optical Race
What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race?
Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out.
dale
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From:
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Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 12:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
Being an electronic musician, I was definitely able to pick out a Roland
Alpha-Juno synth....not sure if it was a 1 or 2....and they did use an Atari
ST computer system...also...not sure if it was a 520..1040..or the Mega
ST...wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the Mega
ST....afterall...they used 3 of them on stage in Albuquerque for the Live
Miles show there....as for the rest of the gear....I wish I knew.
Admin wrote:
> What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race?
> Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out.
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 12:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as well? I can
hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?).
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
> Being an electronic musician, I was definitely able to pick out a Roland
> Alpha-Juno synth....not sure if it was a 1 or 2....and they did use an
Atari
> ST computer system...also...not sure if it was a 520..1040..or the Mega
> ST...wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the Mega
> ST....afterall...they used 3 of them on stage in Albuquerque for the Live
> Miles show there....as for the rest of the gear....I wish I knew.
>
>
>
> Admin wrote:
>
> > What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race?
> > Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out.
> >
> > dale
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Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:56
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
I doubt seriously they used the Atari for the drums/percussion....other than
MIDI control...because they did use custom software...computer-generated drum
back then were still too generic and primitive sounding.....not to mention too
damn tinny-sounding....probably a Roland drum machine....which packed quite a
punch....and still do.......could have also been one of the drum kits from the
Alpha-Juno, too...which is more than likely the case....i'd almost be willing to
give my left nut for either of those 2 synths.....along with an ARP 2600......a
Crumar Orchestrator......SC Prophet 5 and 10....and a few other select pieces of
gear......luckily, I have some sampler discs that have all the vintage
sounds....thank god.......i'd never be able to do any work on my debut CD if it
weren't for those....all the vintage toys would cost a fortune....especially the
ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of those......and I only know 1
musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they could name their
price........literally.
Admin wrote:
> Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as well? I can
> hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?).
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
>
> > Being an electronic musician, I was definitely able to pick out a Roland
> > Alpha-Juno synth....not sure if it was a 1 or 2....and they did use an
> Atari
> > ST computer system...also...not sure if it was a 520..1040..or the Mega
> > ST...wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the Mega
> > ST....afterall...they used 3 of them on stage in Albuquerque for the Live
> > Miles show there....as for the rest of the gear....I wish I knew.
> >
> >
> >
> > Admin wrote:
> >
> > > What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race?
> > > Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out.
> > >
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:05
am
Subject: Inferno CD prob
I think there is another explanation.
It's a government thing. They are slowly arranging for all modern CDs to be
incompatible with car CD players so that fewer and fewer people use cars
because they can't listen to their favourite music. Without people knowing
it, the government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead.
Thus resulting in happier cyclists, fewer car journeys, more Cd's being bought
by people having more money to buy them as they don't have to buy expensive
cars, as a result musicians have greater income as more people buy CDs, as a
result TD releases more CD's, the fans are happier, they cycle more, as a
result there are fewer road kill animals as there are less car journeys, we
need fewer roads, we slow down global warming, TD tours more, the fans are
happy, the more they cycle the healthier they get - a win / win situation.
All because our governments car(e) for us.....makes sense really....
Carmaggedon avoided.......all thanks to CD's being incompatible.
David
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:01
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Optical Race
> From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
>
> Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as
> well? I can
> hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?).
They only used the Atari's for sequencing, it doesn't really have
a good sound chip.
It's very good at that and nothing else actually.
The drums came from drumboxes or internal drums from a synth.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:04
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Optical Race
> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid [mailto:liquiduniverse@e...]
>
>....especially the
> ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of
> those......and I only know 1
> musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they
> could name their
> price........literally.
A friend of mine had one for years and just recently
sold his (2 weeks ago).
He's expanding his modular synth (as I do).
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:35
am
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Viruses
yeah folks, you should just download ZoneAlarm for free (do a search).
Think of your computer like a piece of swiss cheese, and a firewall plugs up
all the holes and alerts you whenever something tries to get in or out. I
have two firewalls in place plus McAfee to boot, and (knock on wood) am
virus free so far. It's imperative for any always-on internet connection
like DSL, cable, ISDN, but also for dial-up.
Remember that Academy Award-winning action Stallone classic 'Demolition
Man'? You know, in the epidemic-ravaged future where nobody touched each
other anymore even to greet, they just did this synchronized circular hand
motion kinda thing. You gotta think like that. No matter how nice your
e-mail partner seems, you never know with whom they've e-mailed before. So
it's not just like you e-mail with just them, you know. When you e-mail
them, you could be e-mailing everybody else they've e-mailed with, too. You
could be catching a virus through your partner from from someone your
partner doesn't even know... Kinda icky, eh?
J
P.S. and for pete's sake, turn off the Preview Pane in Outlook and Outlook
Express if you have it.
np: FM- Black Noise - Phasors on Stun
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Filipak
spoofed it. I have no viruses. I'm behind a firewall that filters in
both directions, in and out. Nothing leaves my machine that I
don't know about.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
This discussion really popped up just at the right time. I just bought
Optical Race - I accidentally spotted it at a store and immediately bought
it. I had not seen it previously on sale nearly anywhere, actually the only
place I had seen it even listed was Amazon (as out-of-stock used copies).
But now I got it, and here're some of my feelings after 3-4 times of
listening to it.
Basically this is much like both Livemiles and LotB, (gee, what a
surprize...) but the absence of guitar was surprizing. I can hear it only on
Sun Gate - I guess it *can* be featured somewhere else too, but I'm not able
to spot it in that case. The melodies are quite repetitive, forming textures
instead of pictures. This also made me understand better why some stores
would categorize TD as Jazz...
Marakesh is apparently the main piece, being the longest too. Most energetic
too, but still pretty sleepy when opposed to eg. Streethawk. The first
minutes remind me of the keyboard solo in long Island Sunset, it's
remarkably similar. Also, the sequence during that part also associates -
with a certain background tune of a certain crappy Nintendo game I went and
wasted my money on a couple of years back. They didn't even bother to think
up original BGM? Lazy slobs.
Atlas Eyes starts remarkably slowly (considering that it's only 4 minutes
long) but after that it get nervous...
Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer
tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like sunshine
than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain?
Twin Soul Tribe is slow, but not much more.
And you all have been right; the title track is _horrible_. It sounds okay
for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying soon. I can't directly
describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like little kids who start
insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal voice, and if you say
anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that you tried to do Something
Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting on you, not believing
anyone but her brats...
The only good side is that it's so short.
Cat Scan doesn't sound too remarkable. Repetitive as the others are too, but
not for good effect this time. It's OK for background music, but...
Sun Gate is good - too bad that Ralf W. didn't fit into the duo. The guitar
comes almost as a relief.
Turning Off The Wheel sounds like a prolonged intro... One expects that it
would progress onwards, but it doesn't... It just keeps repeating itself,
with slight variation of course. It's not even pleasant as background music,
like eg. Pilots of the Purple Twilight are. This one promises too much,
while the aforementioned does not.
The Midnight Trail starts very well, and it indeed is a highlight! It pounds
on like a caravan...
Ghazal does deserve the addition 'Love Song'. It's however a bit too sweet
for my taste. Not great but OK.
Overall, I must say that this is not a great album. I liked both Lily &
Livemiles much better... This one just lacks something. Perhaps it is a
distinctiviness - all pieces are too smooth and sharpnessless. And more
guitar would've been great. This album is stuck in a niche between the
highly techotic 80s output and the rock-oriented 90s - and it unluckily
combines more bad than good sides. I'd give this perhaps 3 points out of 5.
John Vertical
np: Marakesh (started playing the album for the 5th time so far)
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
Interesting.
Very Interesting.
I know nonething.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'fozziebear'
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 12:05 AM
Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> I think there is another explanation.
>
> It's a government thing. They are slowly arranging for all modern CDs to
be incompatible with car CD players so that fewer and fewer people use cars
because they can't listen to their favourite music. Without people knowing
it, the government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead.
>
> Thus resulting in happier cyclists, fewer car journeys, more Cd's being
bought by people having more money to buy them as they don't have to buy
expensive cars, as a result musicians have greater income as more people buy
CDs, as a result TD releases more CD's, the fans are happier, they cycle
more, as a result there are fewer road kill animals as there are less car
journeys, we need fewer roads, we slow down global warming, TD tours more,
the fans are happy, the more they cycle the healthier they get - a win / win
situation.
>
> All because our governments car(e) for us.....makes sense really....
Carmaggedon avoided.......all thanks to CD's being incompatible.
>
> David
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
Well what made me bring it back out was the Keyboard Mag article I read that
said this was TD's high point. Yea that just opened Pandora's box right up
huh?
Anyway, I decided I would play it while driving to work and back (2 hours),
this gave me some time to play thru then go back. I would like to say you
comments on the tracks are close to what I feel about it too. But, as we
each are different, I have some differences, none that I wished to express
other than say I give it the same rating you did. 3 out of 5 but for other
reasons.
Now back to my focus, the equipment used for this album. I can recreate some
of it but not all of it. There are some parts I can't put my finger on what
I am hearing. I swear it is the processors used or effects which might just
be studio. I owned Optical Race for a long time, in fact I most likely
bought it when it came out. I bet I only played it before this last week
only 4 or 5 times. Now I got this mystery bugging me. I will listen to it
again to pull the exact track and time.
Off track, Alan Parson's The Time Machine, Anybody have it? I do. If you do
listen to it then Optical Race. I got something in the melody that is
swimming around in my head.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
> This discussion really popped up just at the right time. I just bought
> Optical Race - I accidentally spotted it at a store and immediately bought
> it. I had not seen it previously on sale nearly anywhere, actually the
only
> place I had seen it even listed was Amazon (as out-of-stock used copies).
> But now I got it, and here're some of my feelings after 3-4 times of
> listening to it.
>
> Basically this is much like both Livemiles and LotB, (gee, what a
> surprize...) but the absence of guitar was surprizing. I can hear it only
on
> Sun Gate - I guess it *can* be featured somewhere else too, but I'm not
able
> to spot it in that case. The melodies are quite repetitive, forming
textures
> instead of pictures. This also made me understand better why some stores
> would categorize TD as Jazz...
>
> Marakesh is apparently the main piece, being the longest too. Most
energetic
> too, but still pretty sleepy when opposed to eg. Streethawk. The first
> minutes remind me of the keyboard solo in long Island Sunset, it's
> remarkably similar. Also, the sequence during that part also associates -
> with a certain background tune of a certain crappy Nintendo game I went
and
> wasted my money on a couple of years back. They didn't even bother to
think
> up original BGM? Lazy slobs.
>
> Atlas Eyes starts remarkably slowly (considering that it's only 4 minutes
> long) but after that it get nervous...
>
> Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer
> tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like sunshine
> than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain?
>
> Twin Soul Tribe is slow, but not much more.
>
> And you all have been right; the title track is _horrible_. It sounds okay
> for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying soon. I can't directly
> describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like little kids who start
> insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal voice, and if you say
> anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that you tried to do
Something
> Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting on you, not believing
> anyone but her brats...
> The only good side is that it's so short.
>
> Cat Scan doesn't sound too remarkable. Repetitive as the others are too,
but
> not for good effect this time. It's OK for background music, but...
>
> Sun Gate is good - too bad that Ralf W. didn't fit into the duo. The
guitar
> comes almost as a relief.
>
> Turning Off The Wheel sounds like a prolonged intro... One expects that it
> would progress onwards, but it doesn't... It just keeps repeating itself,
> with slight variation of course. It's not even pleasant as background
music,
> like eg. Pilots of the Purple Twilight are. This one promises too much,
> while the aforementioned does not.
>
> The Midnight Trail starts very well, and it indeed is a highlight! It
pounds
> on like a caravan...
>
> Ghazal does deserve the addition 'Love Song'. It's however a bit too sweet
> for my taste. Not great but OK.
>
> Overall, I must say that this is not a great album. I liked both Lily &
> Livemiles much better... This one just lacks something. Perhaps it is a
> distinctiviness - all pieces are too smooth and sharpnessless. And more
> guitar would've been great. This album is stuck in a niche between the
> highly techotic 80s output and the rock-oriented 90s - and it unluckily
> combines more bad than good sides. I'd give this perhaps 3 points out of
5.
>
> John Vertical
> np: Marakesh (started playing the album for the 5th time so far)
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 5:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
Try getting a laser cleaner. You can get one from
Walmart or Radio Shack. You want the one with two
brushes.
Wade
If you think its a conspiracy contact Art Bell.
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> I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play
> in my car's CD player,
> but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What
> might causes this
> peculiarity?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael A. Jean
>
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 5:13
pm
Subject: Off Topic- Brad Fidel is not doing the music for T-3
To me one of the things that makes the Terminator
Franchise work is the music of Brad Fidel. I
understand that for the first one there was no budget
for music so the cheapest way to put music on the
screen is to use synthesizers. I have to admit Brad
Fidel really pulled it off and made the movie a
success. Now, for T-2 since the there was more money
to play with an orchestra was also used in conjunction
to Brad's music. This brings us to T-3 and the
inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me right.
No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman. For me,
this is a good reason not to see T-3: The Rise of the
Machines. I suggest the novel T-2: Infiltrator
instead. Which is out now in paperback and just play
the original music in the background when you read it
like I did.
All the best,
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 6:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
In a message dated 4/28/02 4:53:11 AM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>And you all have been right; the title track is _horrible_. It sounds okay
>for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying soon. I can't directly
>describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like little kids who start
>insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal voice, and if you say
>anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that you tried to do Something
>Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting on you, not believing
>anyone but her brats...
Wow.
I can't say I've ever found it quite THAT annoying. I mean, at least it's
happy.
--Daniel
NP: Simple Minds - Glittering Prize 81/92
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
The title track sounds like the theme from a kids-tv
sports show... i.e. not terribly good. I've got no
probs with the rest of the album.
--- quarlie@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/28/02 4:53:11 AM,
> johnvertical@h... writes:
>
> >And you all have been right; the title track is
> _horrible_. It sounds okay
> >for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying
> soon. I can't directly
> >describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like
> little kids who start
> >insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal
> voice, and if you say
> >anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that
> you tried to do Something
> >Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting
> on you, not believing
> >anyone but her brats...
>
> Wow.
>
> I can't say I've ever found it quite THAT annoying.
> I mean, at least it's
> happy.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Simple Minds - Glittering Prize 81/92
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:59
pm
Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Viruses
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> yeah folks, you should just download ZoneAlarm for free (do a search).
> Think of your computer like a piece of swiss cheese, and a firewall
> plugs up all the holes and alerts you whenever something tries to get in
> or out.
I second what Joe has written. ZoneAlarm is what I use. TTBOMK, it is the
only firewall that plugs up the security leaks in *both* directions. Since
I turned my brother on to it and he installed it, he's come to realize how
many 'helpers' he has in his machine that want to 'phone home' whenever
he's dialed into the net (like RealPlayer and Internet Explorer -- he uses
Netscape, but IE still wants to send... something... to Redmond,
Washington... probably, yes.
Though he could tell ZoneAlarm to permanently deny RP's and IE's desires
to send messages behind his back, I guess he likes to say 'no' every time
they try to check in with their superiors. BTW, though he doesn't allow RP
to 'phone home', it nonetheless works fine as a receiver -- inbound only,
not outbound, controlled by ZoneAlarm.
Oh! Did I happen to mention that ZoneAlarm is free.
Ciao -- Mark (...take back your computers, people! and tell your friends)
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Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
John Vertical wrote:
>
-snip-
> Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer
> tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like
> sunshine than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain?
John. This virtually became TD's signature tune for the 90s, appearing in
just about every concert.
-- Mark
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Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
Sounds dangerous. Those brushes could knock the laser out of alignment. The
real reason for the brushes are for a air current not to really touch the
lens, however if they or something else pops up, it will hit the lens/laser
and that is all for that unit. A can or compress air is safer (note keyword
safer). If you have a camera and you manage to know how to clean your camera
lens without scratching it, then you might want to try to do the same with
the lens on the laser. But I still think it is the disk not the unit.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Wade Gordon'
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> Try getting a laser cleaner. You can get one from
> Walmart or Radio Shack. You want the one with two
> brushes.
>
> Wade
>
> If you think its a conspiracy contact Art Bell.
> --- Michael A Jean wrote:
> > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play
> > in my car's CD player,
> > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What
> > might causes this
> > peculiarity?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael A. Jean
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:19
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
The OFFICIAL CD is what isn't playing in the car...Not a CDR....
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:25 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
>
>
> car player not being able to play cd-r's or not being multisession.
>
> or perhaps a bit of sorcery
>
> burn the witches
>
> but if you are on a sinking ship, I hear they float like wood
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Michael A Jean'
> To: 'Tadreamonelist'
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:24 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
>
>
> > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's
> CD player,
> > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this
> > peculiarity?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael A. Jean
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
-----Original Message-----
From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
>i'd almost be willing to
>give my left nut for either of those 2 synths.....along with an ARP 2600......a
>Crumar Orchestrator......SC Prophet 5 and 10....and a few other select pieces
of
>gear......
I have a 2600 but you may keep your nuts. :-)
>luckily, I have some sampler discs that have all the vintage
>sounds....thank god.......i'd never be able to do any work on my debut CD if it
>weren't for those....all the vintage toys would cost a fortune....especially
the
>ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of those......and I only know
1
>musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they could name their
>price........literally.
I paid $300 for some partially working Moog modules in an open, homemade frame
that was falling apart. I traded them for a near mint 2600, which has a cover
and came with the old monophonic keyboard. I use it layered with my $100 Moog
Taurus II pedals. Deals like these are hard to find and I consider myself more
than lucky.
Cheers,
Bill
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
-----Original Message-----
From: fozziebear
>It's a government thing. They are slowly arranging for all modern CDs to be
incompatible with car CD players so that fewer and fewer people use cars because
they can't listen to their favourite music. Without people knowing it, the
government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead.
And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and pay more taxes.
Foxy
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
Lucky SOB.....yer right...deals like that are nearly impossible to
find......there's
only one thing I have to worry about, if I do manage to get a
2600.......finding a
place to put it.....the MIDI retrofit should be a breeze....either that, or I
simply
get a MIDI->CV interface....which, last time I checked, were fairly
inexpensive....definitely not a piece of gear to sneeze at......they're
hard-working
machines.....heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-)
j/k............i'll
find one somewhere.
*radiowaves*
Bill Fox wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> >i'd almost be willing to
> >give my left nut for either of those 2 synths.....along with an ARP
2600......a
> >Crumar Orchestrator......SC Prophet 5 and 10....and a few other select pieces
> of
> >gear......
>
> I have a 2600 but you may keep your nuts. :-)
>
> >luckily, I have some sampler discs that have all the vintage
> >sounds....thank god.......i'd never be able to do any work on my debut CD if
it
> >weren't for those....all the vintage toys would cost a fortune....especially
> the
> >ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of those......and I only
know
> 1
> >musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they could name
their
> >price........literally.
>
> I paid $300 for some partially working Moog modules in an open, homemade frame
> that was falling apart. I traded them for a near mint 2600, which has a cover
> and came with the old monophonic keyboard. I use it layered with my $100 Moog
> Taurus II pedals. Deals like these are hard to find and I consider myself
more
> than lucky.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:10
am
Subject: Re: [Gearhead] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3
-----Original Message-----
From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson
>A) I wish I was in Okefenokee. If I had the airfare I would have been,
>complete with something to play.
Save your pennies! Next year it will be in a desert out west. Exact location
yet to be determined. This was my second year. (I missed the first year due to
ultra-serious personal reasons.) A TD fan can hardly have a better time. As a
musician, I found both years to be deeply satisfying. The people are
fabulous!!!!
>B) The moron from hell won the auction.
Sorry to hear that. I should have bid on it before I left. The moron would
probably have outbid me anyway, but at least I would have driven the price up a
bit. :-) The lack of CV/Gate kept me out of the race. I hope all gets
resolved to your satisfaction.
Cheers,
Bill
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
-----Original Message-----
From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
>...heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-)
8^D
Foxy
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
Since I have not see the Official CD, is it normal mass produced CD? Or is
it a CDR?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:19 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> The OFFICIAL CD is what isn't playing in the car...Not a CDR....
>
> MJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:25 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> >
> >
> > car player not being able to play cd-r's or not being multisession.
> >
> > or perhaps a bit of sorcery
> >
> > burn the witches
> >
> > but if you are on a sinking ship, I hear they float like wood
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Michael A Jean'
> > To: 'Tadreamonelist'
> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:24 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> >
> >
> > > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's
> > CD player,
> > > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this
> > > peculiarity?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael A. Jean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > completely
> > > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email
address.
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'Across
> > the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT.
> > > Tune in to the live internet stream at
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:33
am
Subject: Okeefenokee/Ricochet Gathering
Sounds like both events are a real blast........too bad I won't be able
to get to either for at least 5 more yrs.......oh well.........I should
have more than enough material by then....i'd hate to be stuck playing
at a BM in the middle of northern Nevada...generator rentals are
sky-high.
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
> Since I have not see the Official CD, is it normal mass produced CD? Or is
> it a CDR?
I have one new CD left of Inferno from the Ricochet Gathering along with a
couple of the Jerome 12' white vinyls.
I also have some nice Ricochet Gathering t-shirts available. Please contact
me off list if you are interested.
As for the Ricochet Gathering, it was a fantastic time and I hope to write a
detailed report in about a week or so once I get caught up with my 'normal'
life. I thank Dave Brewer for the nice initial detailed report. I hope more
of the attendees send in their reports or point us to a web page.
Vic
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race
>Wow.
>
>I can't say I've ever found it quite THAT annoying. I mean, at least it's
>happy.
I guess I sort of got carried away... and forgot to add that I was
juxtaposing the track to the kids, not one's feelings about them. Now, if
there was a track which would be alike the latter choice... I _don't_ want
even to hear it.
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 6:44
am
Subject: [Gearhead] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3
--- In tadream@y..., 'Bill Fox' wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear that. I should have bid on it before I left. The
moron would
> probably have outbid me anyway, but at least I would have driven
the price up a
> bit. :-) The lack of CV/Gate kept me out of the race. I hope
all gets
> resolved to your satisfaction.
It does have CV/gate mini-jacks on the back.
I believe it's only a weird voltage (0 - 8V).
Dave: great Okefenokee report.
Interesting idea of SSO to 'play with the stars/planets'.
Really interested in how the music turned out.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 12:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3
----- Original Message -----
From: mars103nl
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>--- In tadream@y..., 'Bill Fox' wrote:
>>The lack of CV/Gate kept me out of the race. I hope all gets
>> resolved to your satisfaction.
>
>It does have CV/gate mini-jacks on the back.
>I believe it's only a weird voltage (0 - 8V).
YOUR unit does but this was an ORIGINAL unit before CV/gate was added! It was a
REALLY OLD unit.
>Dave: great Okefenokee report.
>Interesting idea of SSO to 'play with the stars/planets'.
>Really interested in how the music turned out.
There were some good bits. Today's tasks include fixing the #&$^@ caused by
installing Outlook Express 6 (I was at OE4) and to start playing the DATs into
my PC to make artist CDRs.
Cheers,
Bill
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
You're right Dale, I completely forgot to say to use a
can of compressed air. I think maybe he has a weak,
dirty, misaligned laser.
Wade
--- Admin wrote:
> Sounds dangerous. Those brushes could knock the
> laser out of alignment. The
> real reason for the brushes are for a air current
> not to really touch the
> lens, however if they or something else pops up, it
> will hit the lens/laser
> and that is all for that unit. A can or compress air
> is safer (note keyword
> safer). If you have a camera and you manage to know
> how to clean your camera
> lens without scratching it, then you might want to
> try to do the same with
> the lens on the laser. But I still think it is the
> disk not the unit.
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
>
>
> > Try getting a laser cleaner. You can get one from
> > Walmart or Radio Shack. You want the one with two
> > brushes.
> >
> > Wade
> >
> > If you think its a conspiracy contact Art Bell.
> > --- Michael A Jean
> wrote:
> > > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or
> play
> > > in my car's CD player,
> > > but it plays fine at home and in my portable.
> What
> > > might causes this
> > > peculiarity?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael A. Jean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you know you can email money with
> PayPal.com?
> > > PayPal.com is a completely
> > > free service that lets users Beam Money to
> anyone
> > > with an email address.
> > > Click on this link to sign up and see for
> yourself:
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> > >
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> from
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
Vic,
Thanks for telling us about the gathering. Is there a
plan to release a music c.d. from the gathering?
Keep up the good work.
Wade
--- vic rek wrote:
> > Since I have not see the Official CD, is it normal
> mass produced CD? Or is
> > it a CDR?
>
> I have one new CD left of Inferno from the Ricochet
> Gathering along with a
> couple of the Jerome 12' white vinyls.
> I also have some nice Ricochet Gathering t-shirts
> available. Please contact
> me off list if you are interested.
>
> As for the Ricochet Gathering, it was a fantastic
> time and I hope to write a
> detailed report in about a week or so once I get
> caught up with my 'normal'
> life. I thank Dave Brewer for the nice initial
> detailed report. I hope more
> of the attendees send in their reports or point us
> to a web page.
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3
> From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@f...]
> YOUR unit does but this was an ORIGINAL unit before CV/gate was
> added! It was a
> REALLY OLD unit.
Ah okay, I didn't know that.
Marcel
http:/home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
hope a new CD (2CD?) will emerge from this years event!
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:16
pm
Subject: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders
>inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me right.
No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman
I take it you don't care for Danny's music or perhaps his soundtrack work or
his orchestration or???
>Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
A: And remember kids worship SATAN!
>Without people knowing it, the
government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead.
And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and pay more taxes.<
not where I live--they get run over by things like gravel trucks. And people
flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing CDs while driving
ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD diehard (Hi Al!)
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: OT: A proposal to the Tree Participants
With all the CD burning going on with the DWT2 & Tangerine Tree
projects.....the inevitable's gonna occur, a bad burn resulting in a
useless CD, aka a Coaster.
Please don't toss out those Coasters! Send 'em to me!
I can make good use of them and keep these things out of our landfills
where they probably will take hundreds to thousands of years to decompose!
If you haven't been to http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html and
have some coasters laying around, go to the above link and see the beauty
in a discarded product. Or see what ~12,000 CD-ROMs look like!
I'll take any and all Coasters (even those %&$#^$#!!!!! AOL ones!) and If
you wish I'll add a section to this page thanking you for your contribution
and patronage of the Arts!
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: A proposal to the Tree Participants
PENFOLD wrote:
>
> With all the CD burning going on with the DWT2 & Tangerine Tree
> projects.....the inevitable's gonna occur, a bad burn resulting in a
> useless CD, aka a Coaster.
>
> Please don't toss out those Coasters! Send 'em to me!
>
> I can make good use of them and keep these things out of our
> landfills where they probably will take hundreds to thousands of years
> to decompose!
>
> If you haven't been to
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html and
> have some coasters laying around, go to the above link and see the
> beauty in a discarded product. Or see what ~12,000 CD-ROMs look like!
>
> I'll take any and all Coasters (even those %&$#^$#!!!!! AOL
> ones!) and If you wish I'll add a section to this page thanking you for
> your contribution and patronage of the Arts!
You're quite mad, Pete. You do know that, don't you?
Ciao -- Mark (...Don't get mad, and don't get even, either. Get odd!...)
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Last updated: 14 April 2002
Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: OT: Request for help with Cool Edit Pro 1.2
Hello All!
(...Please forgive the crosspost...)
I've used Cool Edit Pro, version 1.2 for quite a while. I have what to me
seems like a simple task to accomplish, but I can't figure it out.
Would some Cool Edit Pros care to help me, off list?
Thanks -- Mark (...thinking that maybe it's too easy for my cluttered,
over-technified brain...)
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Last updated: 14 April 2002
Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 7:44
pm
Subject: Lost Email
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
Due to upgrading Outlook Express from version 4 to 6, I've lost all of my saved
email. There were some recent messages since my last backup which needed
responses. If you are waiting for me to answer you, please write to me again.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards,
Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
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11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:35
pm
Subject: The Keep on CD in 1984
Hi.
I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was pressed on CD in 1984. It
was one of the first experimental CD test pressings, made under
cross-license between Sony and Virgin. It was not supposed to be sold, but
some were accidentally shipped to stores and were quickly recalled.
My authority is none other than our own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he
held it in his hands. I believe he was in his garden at the time.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:25
am
Subject: The Keep
Mark,
You could just e-mail Feldman if you want his attention. :)
-Morgan
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 1:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984
I too have a garden. I use those disks to keep the birds at bay. Makes nice
flashy pretty pretty.
Lately I been noticing something a tad bit more sinister. Something that
goes precious precious.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'tadream'
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:35 PM
Subject: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984
> My authority is none other than our own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he
> held it in his hands. I believe he was in his garden at the time.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984
At 02.04.29-19:35, Mark Filipak wrote:
>I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was pressed on CD in 1984. It
>was one of the first experimental CD test pressings, made under
>cross-license between Sony and Virgin. It was not supposed to be sold, but
>some were accidentally shipped to stores and were quickly recalled.
'The Keep' on *CD* in 1984? You gotta be pulling our leg here! I
didn't see CDs' on the shelves of Tower Records until the late 1980's!
>My authority is none other than our own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he
>held it in his hands
What I held in *my* hands was the LP, but didn't have the cash to
get it.....the next week when I had the $$ and went back to Tower......Doh!
Gone!
> I believe he was in his garden at the time.
I'll pretend I didn't see this
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984
--- PENFOLD wrote:
> At 02.04.29-19:35, Mark Filipak wrote:
> >I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was
> pressed on CD in 1984. It
> >was one of the first experimental CD test
> pressings, made under
> >cross-license between Sony and Virgin. It was not
> supposed to be sold, but
> >some were accidentally shipped to stores and were
> quickly recalled.
>
> 'The Keep' on *CD* in 1984? You gotta be
> pulling our leg here! I
> didn't see CDs' on the shelves of Tower Records
> until the late 1980's!
A couple of the earliest CDs I bought were in '85
-Jarre's Zoolook and Jobson's Theme of Secrets. I
still use both as test discs when I demo any new
stereo gear.
There was a CD only store In Cambridge MA in 84 called
BCD (Boston Compact Disc) a really tiny store. They
just put out the booklets in glassine envelopes you
could open and read and let you listen to any CD.
>
> >My authority is none other than our own Pete
> Isaacson. He swears that he
> >held it in his hands
>
> What I held in *my* hands was the LP, but
> didn't have the cash to
> get it.....the next week when I had the $$ and went
> back to Tower......Doh!
> Gone!
>
> > I believe he was in his garden at the time.
>
> I'll pretend I didn't see this
>
>
>
>
> Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
> mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
> Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
> 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually
> held it, didn't have the
> $$.....Damn!!!!!
> 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its
> non-existence.' - Steven
> Feldman
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at:
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
>
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984
On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:35:40 -0400 Mark Filipak
writes:
>Hi.
>
>I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was pressed on
>CD in 1984. [. . .] My authority is none other than our
>own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he held it in his hands.
>I believe he was in his garden at the time.
Well, the joke is, if and when anyone finally gets
ahold of the 1984 LP or tape (because I agree that the
existence of a 1984 KEEP CD is not that likely, even though
there were CDs in the shop the day I saw the KEEP LP) and
puts it on the dreaded eBAY, no one on this list will be
able to match the price people in the real world will pay
for it. So, once again, the hardcore TD zombies will be
left out of the loop -- just like they were in 1984. ;)
>Ciao -- Mark
Stephe Feldman, a Man-Woman Trying to Look the Part
Androgyne Online http://androgyne.0catch.com/ explains it
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:44
am
Subject: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online
http://www.tadream.net/download/td1.mp3 (11MB)
before I proceeded to accidentally trip over my patch cord, effectively
destroying my output jack on my wife's boombox (she's gonna kill me), I
dubbed a copy of a 'Totally Wired' (credit John Diliberto) radio show
about/with TD from one of the old tape trees. It is quite interesting,
including an interview about how technology has aided the compositional
process (and thus altered how performances are delivered), plus an interview
with Edgar about the Legend soundtrack (his vs. Goldsmith's) from one of the
old TD Tape Tree cassettes. I thought it might be timely considering the
recent release of the Legend DVD.
enjoy,
Joe
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:32
am
Subject: Optical Race
Back then, I bet the Atari was probably only used for midi sequencing.
As for percussion, I do remember recognizing a Yamaha RX5 on the Livemiles
cover shot.
Wes
In a message dated 4/28/2002 7:14:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:32:38 -0700
> From: 'Admin'
> Subject: Re: Optical Race
>
> Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as well? I can
> hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?).
>
> dale
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:43
am
Subject: ARP 2600
A while ago, a guy I knew (Brian Gorman) had a few of these in his vintage
keyboard shop. Don't know if he was selling them then, maybe he still has
them and is selling them now.
The Electric Keyboard in Evanston, Illinois.
electrickeyboard.com (I think)
In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:23:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:42:36 -0400
> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> Subject: Re: Optical Race
>
> Lucky SOB.....yer right...deals like that are nearly impossible to
> find......there's
> only one thing I have to worry about, if I do manage to get a
> 2600.......finding a
> place to put it.....the MIDI retrofit should be a breeze....either that, or
> I simply
> get a MIDI->CV interface....which, last time I checked, were fairly
> inexpensive....definitely not a piece of gear to sneeze at......they're
> hard-working
> machines.....heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-)
> j/k............i'll
> find one somewhere.
>
> *radiowaves*
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ARP 2600
Thanx for the tip....will check into it.
Liondream@a... wrote:
> A while ago, a guy I knew (Brian Gorman) had a few of these in his vintage
> keyboard shop. Don't know if he was selling them then, maybe he still has
> them and is selling them now.
>
> The Electric Keyboard in Evanston, Illinois.
>
> electrickeyboard.com (I think)
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:23:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
> tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:42:36 -0400
> > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> > Subject: Re: Optical Race
> >
> > Lucky SOB.....yer right...deals like that are nearly impossible to
> > find......there's
> > only one thing I have to worry about, if I do manage to get a
> > 2600.......finding a
> > place to put it.....the MIDI retrofit should be a breeze....either that, or
> > I simply
> > get a MIDI->CV interface....which, last time I checked, were fairly
> > inexpensive....definitely not a piece of gear to sneeze at......they're
> > hard-working
> > machines.....heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-)
> > j/k............i'll
> > find one somewhere.
> >
> > *radiowaves*
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:34
pm
Subject: Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online
Thanks, Joe!
I appreciate you providing this link... ...very interesting interview.
You got any more of these???
...Utch
>http://www.tadream.net/download/td1.mp3 (11MB)
>
>before I proceeded to accidentally trip over my patch cord, effectively
>destroying my output jack on my wife's boombox (she's gonna kill me), I
>dubbed a copy of a 'Totally Wired' (credit John Diliberto) radio show
>about/with TD from one of the old tape trees. It is quite interesting,
>including an interview about how technology has aided the compositional
>process (and thus altered how performances are delivered), plus an interview
>with Edgar about the Legend soundtrack (his vs. Goldsmith's) from one of the
>old TD Tape Tree cassettes. I thought it might be timely considering the
>recent release of the Legend DVD.
>
>enjoy,
>Joe
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders
You should tell this all to Art Bell.
Wade
--- tei waz wrote:
> >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me
> right.
> No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman
>
> I take it you don't care for Danny's music or
> perhaps his soundtrack work or
> his orchestration or???
>
> >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
>
> A: And remember kids worship SATAN!
>
>
> >Without people knowing it, the
> government is forcing them to use Discman players on
> bikes instead.
>
> And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and
> pay more taxes.<
>
> not where I live--they get run over by things like
> gravel trucks. And people
> flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing
> CDs while driving
>
> ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD
> diehard (Hi Al!)
> up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders
You should tell this all to Art Bell. I do like Danny
Elfman's music. I just go by the principle 'If it
ain't broke don't fix it.'
Wade
--- tei waz wrote:
> >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me
> right.
> No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman
>
> I take it you don't care for Danny's music or
> perhaps his soundtrack work or
> his orchestration or???
>
> >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
>
> A: And remember kids worship SATAN!
>
>
> >Without people knowing it, the
> government is forcing them to use Discman players on
> bikes instead.
>
> And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and
> pay more taxes.<
>
> not where I live--they get run over by things like
> gravel trucks. And people
> flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing
> CDs while driving
>
> ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD
> diehard (Hi Al!)
> up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:27
pm
Subject: Legend 2 disc DVD reviewed
Legend 2 disc DVD reviewed
http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_4/legend.html
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 6:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders
I think that this post might be history. You mentioned Art Bell. I think
this might be the first time on this list he was mentioned. I have seen this
interesting fellow only once.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Wade Gordon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike
riders
> You should tell this all to Art Bell.
>
> Wade
> --- tei waz wrote:
> > >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me
> > right.
> > No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman
> >
> > I take it you don't care for Danny's music or
> > perhaps his soundtrack work or
> > his orchestration or???
> >
> > >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
> >
> > A: And remember kids worship SATAN!
> >
> >
> > >Without people knowing it, the
> > government is forcing them to use Discman players on
> > bikes instead.
> >
> > And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and
> > pay more taxes.<
> >
> > not where I live--they get run over by things like
> > gravel trucks. And people
> > flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing
> > CDs while driving
> >
> > ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD
> > diehard (Hi Al!)
> > up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania
> >
> >
> _________________________________________________________________
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> > http://messenger.msn.com
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
>
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>
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>
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6 KB
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now on line
you're welcome!
yeah, I'll have to dig up the rest of my tapes (haha- I mean FIND them).
NOTE: if anyone else out there has old TD Tape Tree tapes you'd like
converted, I'll be happy to accept them and convert them to mp3 and make
available for download from tadream.net. Sorry, i won't be able to return
them except as the mp3, so make your own copy before sending if you want
one.
contact me offlist if you need, or send them directly, and my mailing
address is here:
http://www.tadream.net/joe/cds.htm
Joe
np: Eloy - Ocean
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Utch Entel [mailto:Utch@i...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:34 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now
> online
>
>
> Thanks, Joe!
>
> I appreciate you providing this link... ...very interesting
> interview.
> You got any more of these???
>
> ...Utch
>
> >http://www.tadream.net/download/td1.mp3 (11MB)
> >
> >before I proceeded to accidentally trip over my patch cord,
> effectively
> >destroying my output jack on my wife's boombox (she's gonna
> kill me), I
> >dubbed a copy of a 'Totally Wired' (credit John Diliberto) radio show
> >about/with TD from one of the old tape trees. It is quite
> interesting,
> >including an interview about how technology has aided the
> compositional
> >process (and thus altered how performances are delivered),
> plus an interview
> >with Edgar about the Legend soundtrack (his vs. Goldsmith's)
> from one of the
> >old TD Tape Tree cassettes. I thought it might be timely
> considering the
> >recent release of the Legend DVD.
> >
> >enjoy,
> >Joe
>
> --------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
>
> Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. --Douglas Adams
>
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
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>
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders
Believe it or not,I have been on Art Bell myself as a
guest. I have also been on Jeff Rense's program.
I did not think that my post concerning the music for
T-3 would cause such a responce. Yes, I think Danny
Elfman is a good composer. No, I do not think he is
right for T-3. Brad Feidel created the sound and I
think for the sake of connunity he should be allowed
to continue. I think this decision was based on
politics and money and not for artistic
considerations. I realize that there is a lot of
money invested in the motion picture, but Brad sold
quite a few c.d.'s himself even spinning off
'Collectors Editions.' I don't work in Hollywood. I
have in the past had a treatment of mine turned into a
television program.
Wade
--- 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
wrote:
> I think that this post might be history. You
> mentioned Art Bell. I think
> this might be the first time on this list he was
> mentioned. I have seen this
> interesting fellow only once.
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet
> needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman +
> Unix/SATAN +long living bike
> riders
>
>
> > You should tell this all to Art Bell.
> >
> > Wade
> > --- tei waz wrote:
> > > >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me
> > > right.
> > > No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman
> > >
> > > I take it you don't care for Danny's music or
> > > perhaps his soundtrack work or
> > > his orchestration or???
> > >
> > > >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
> > >
> > > A: And remember kids worship SATAN!
> > >
> > >
> > > >Without people knowing it, the
> > > government is forcing them to use Discman
> players on
> > > bikes instead.
> > >
> > > And they're healthier. Thus they live longer
> and
> > > pay more taxes.<
> > >
> > > not where I live--they get run over by things
> like
> > > gravel trucks. And people
> > > flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and
> changing
> > > CDs while driving
> > >
> > > ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog
> TD
> > > diehard (Hi Al!)
> > > up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania
> > >
> > >
> >
>
_________________________________________________________________
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> > > http://messenger.msn.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> >
>
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> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From:
'horrod6'
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:09
pm
Subject: Re: Record Store employees
Dale said:
'you are not paid to be smart there.'
Well, you may not be _paid_ to be smart, but the odd intelligent person gets
in by accident.
A couple of years ago I noticed that my local HMV had upped its TD holdings
massively from the usual 3 titles. I commented on this when I went to pay
for my (multitudinous) purchases (this was before I had discovered the joys
of buying EM on the net). I found that the guy fracturing my plastic was the
buyer responsible. He said that he'd been doing some investigation of what
was selling well elsewhere, and come to the conclusion that it was worth
trying a broader selection of EM on the Edinburgh public, and seeing whether
we would buy it.
A simple idea, but one that seems beyond many record stores.
LnH
Marion
np: Star Sounds Orchestra: Kosmophonen (signed copy acquired at the Ricochet
Gathering at the Okefenokee - gloat, gloat!)
P.S. My local Virgin usually puts TD in New Age, HMV in Rock & Pop. I agree
that on the whole I'd like to see stores sort by artist & title, without
categorising. But what about classical - theoretically you'd file it under
the orchestra (or maybe conductor), but would you _really_ expect to go
looking for Vaughan Williams' Antarctic Symphony under 'Berlin Philharmonic'
or 'Simon Rattle'?
From:
'gyedid01'
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:37
pm
Subject: Re: Optical Race
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> Atlas Eyes starts remarkably slowly (considering that it's only 4
minutes
> long) but after that it get nervous...
It's also the closest thing on the album to 'experimental',
considering that it's in 5/4 time. ;)
> Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a
warmer
> tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like
sunshine
> than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain?
Well, if you want to split hairs, 'Mothers of Rain' technically isn't
a Melrose Years piece. It debuted as an encore on the UK leg of TD's
1986 tour. A rather different arrangement, sort of halfway between
_Legend_ and _Tyger_--in fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was
a leftover from the Legend sessions. It got 'Moroder-ized' for
_Optical Race_--but became something of a Melrose Years classic as a
result...
Gabe
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:47
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online
Great clip! Thanks! What was the recording date?
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:44 AM
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com '
Subject: [tadream] Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online
From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 6:34
am
Subject: Dreamwatcher's Tales I
Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1?
Yes that was a very rhetorical question.
Please contact me as I would like to get a copy.
Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III?
;-)
Dale
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:02
am
Subject: Free Music and the Final Spring Show
TICKETS ON SALE for FINAL SPRING SHOW
With the success of our recent concerts at the Morrison and Chabot
planetariums, we are very excited to bring our new multi-sensual show to
San Francisco's Presidio Chapel for the final date of our Spring Tour.
Please join us for this intimate evening of classical space music in a
beautiful venue, with visuals by Luna/Visual Meditation. Dagny will be
the opening DJ, spinning luscious ambient music for your enjoyment. Be
sure to leave some extra time to find the Chapel - it's easy to get lost
in the Presidio. Tickets now available online at Ticketweb.
Kevin Keller Trio (Tania Simoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass, Kevin
Keller/piano & keyboards)
with special guest Dagny
Visuals by Luna/Visual Meditation
Thursday, May 30, 8 PM
Presidio Main Post Chapel
130 Fisher Loop, San Francisco, CA
Admission: $12.50 in advance/$15 at the door
For directions, call (415) 561-6783, or visit the Concert page at
http://www.kevinkeller.com/look.html
Follow this link to purchase tickets online
http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=xxx&query=detail&event=306339
or visit http://www.kevinkeller.com
FREE MUSIC at the LISTENING STATION
'The Blossoms of Change I', the fourth single from Across the Sky is now
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sequencer tracks with Tania's soaring cello lines to create a journey
full of wonder, passion, and intensity. Also available is 'Lyra', a
deeply moving piece for solo piano. Please visit the Listening Station
at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html
CHABOT CONCERT A GREAT SUCCESS
Thank you to everyone who came out to the Chabot Space & Science Center
last Friday, April 26, and helped make it a wonderful evening. We had a
full house and a great show, and we really enjoyed meeting so many of
you afterwards.
Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to seeing you
soon.
Kevin Keller Trio
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'rbicon'
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:08
am
Subject: Bootlegs and vcd's to trade
Hello, i finally have time to update my list.I'm trading electronic
music bootlegs and electronic,rock and progressive shows on vcd.
I'm looking for an early Klaus Schulze live recording in the 74 year.
Is this such a recording exist?
Also,congratulations to every creator in Dreamwatchers' Tales II.
It's very good. Some pieces on this cd are outstanding.
Boys,you have skill!
Sylvain from Québec
n/p:Dreamwatchers' Tales II
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/index.htm
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/dossierbootlegs/bootelectronik.htm
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/thevideocorner.htm
From:
Richard
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 4:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales I
Is there going to be a DW 3 ???
>Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1?
>Yes that was a very rhetorical question.
>Please contact me as I would like to get a copy.
>
>Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III?
>
>;-)
>
>Dale
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--
Richard F
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales III
As far as I know, there will be a Vol. 3.......i'm still trying to find out
what the deadline is, so I can have 2 traks in for it.
Richard wrote:
> Is there going to be a DW 3 ???
>
> >Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1?
> >Yes that was a very rhetorical question.
> >Please contact me as I would like to get a copy.
> >
> >Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III?
> >
> >;-)
> >
> >Dale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------_-
> >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >----------------------------------------------------_-
> >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> >Tangerine Tree info at
> >http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard F
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales III
I would hope there will be. There is so much more to explore.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales III
> As far as I know, there will be a Vol. 3.......i'm still trying to find
out
> what the deadline is, so I can have 2 traks in for it.
>
>
>
> Richard wrote:
>
> > Is there going to be a DW 3 ???
> >
> > >Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1?
> > >Yes that was a very rhetorical question.
> > >Please contact me as I would like to get a copy.
> > >
> > >Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III?
> > >
> > >;-)
> > >
> > >Dale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----------------------------------------------------_-
> > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >----------------------------------------------------_-
> > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > >Tangerine Tree info at
> > >http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Richard F
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002
Kudos to the other Ricochet Musos of 2001...
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chuck van Zyl'
Subject: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002
> STAR'S END 1-6AM SatNite/SunMorn 88.5FM WXPN Philadelphia, PA
> Top 20 For March 2002 (alphabetical) Compiled by Chuck van Zyl
>
> ARTIST - ALBUM - LABEL
> Various Artists - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Quantum
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 8:28
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ????????
Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have
disappeared somehow........hmmmmm
Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen to
what the others did on that project.
Jan & Michael
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Thu
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
I put in my req to get a copy of it, but no luck.
PERGAMON wrote:
> Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ????????
>
> Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have
disappeared somehow........hmmmmm
>
> Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen
to what the others did on that project.
>
> Jan & Michael
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002
Hey Chuck........if yer on this list...........please email me......I need to
talk to ya.
Mark H.
Bill Fox wrote:
> Kudos to the other Ricochet Musos of 2001...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Chuck van Zyl'
> Subject: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002
>
> > STAR'S END 1-6AM SatNite/SunMorn 88.5FM WXPN Philadelphia, PA
> > Top 20 For March 2002 (alphabetical) Compiled by Chuck van Zyl
> >
> > ARTIST - ALBUM - LABEL
> > Various Artists - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Quantum
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
Contact me off list if you need a copy of DWTII. I have copies of these I
can send you.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
> I put in my req to get a copy of it, but no luck.
>
> PERGAMON wrote:
>
> > Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ????????
> >
> > Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have
disappeared somehow........hmmmmm
> >
> > Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to
listen to what the others did on that project.
> >
> > Jan & Michael
> >
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> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 7:14
am
Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th
Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting:
An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music
Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater.
Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95
Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first
solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th, 7:00PM.
Opening the concert will be Portland's own accomplished longtime electronic
artist Paul Ellis who's dynamic and melodic sounds heard on his most recent
'Into the Liquid Unknown' (Hypnos/Binary) which has brought accolades
worldwide and
placed in several top twenty essential release lists of 2001.
Both artists work in a solo setting building from myriad of instruments.
Roach is well known for the his magical concerts that feature an
organic-electronic blending from didgeridoos to digital synthesizers along
with extensive sound processing in the moment. As one of the few
electronic-based artists performing live consistently for over 20 years,
Roach's engagements have taken him from concert halls in the United States,
Canada, and Europe, to lava caves in the Canary Islands and volcanic craters
in Mexico. These exotic settings have helped him further shape his art form,
a sonic vision that thrives in a sphere beyond categories, national
boundaries, cultural barriers, and quite often, time itself.
Paul Ellis has been recording and releasing music in both solo and group
settings for a dozen years and was a founding member of Dweller at the
Threshold, an electronic trio who tapped into the roots of European
Electronic music. His solo sound has evolved into an artful combination of
intriguing sound creation, highly crafted melodic forms and interwoven
rhythmic patterns. This rare concert at the Aladdin will offer an exciting
look into the live sound worlds of these 2 diverse electronic artists. It's
the music born of imagination, rich in its ability to conjure visual imagery
and inspire the creative mind.
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From:
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: L àffaire wallraff on auction
Hello,
I have stared today on ebay folowing auction:
Tangerine Dream - original L àffaire Wallraff CD
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866528663
This is not the Bootleg version, this is the ultra rare official EMI France
version.
Starting price are: US $ 1
Reserve price: US $ 80
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 2:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Record Store employees
----- Original Message -----
From: 'horrod6'
> P.S. My local Virgin usually puts TD in New Age, HMV in Rock & Pop.
My local Virgin keeps all the boys at arm's length! :-)
Foxy
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 3:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Record Store employees
Welp....looks like one of the local CD shops, in Guelph, Ontario...called
Music World has out-done all of the others stores........they're putting TD,
Jarre', etc...in with everything else now.....so the hunt is even worse.
Bill Fox wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'horrod6'
> > P.S. My local Virgin usually puts TD in New Age, HMV in Rock & Pop.
>
> My local Virgin keeps all the boys at arm's length! :-)
>
> Foxy
>
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:13
pm
Subject: OT: WinAmp's 'malicious MP3' vulnerability
Hi all,
If you use Winamp to play your MP3 files, please take a look at this
page:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25075.html
Antonio
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
Hi all
Sorry if I have offended anyone with this mail. I was just asking a
question. No harm was intended.
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
> Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ????????
>
> Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have
disappeared somehow........hmmmmm
>
> Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen
to what the others did on that project.
>
> Jan & Michael
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 5:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] L àffaire wallraff on auction
WOOOOWWW!!!!, .......... I have this one.........
Maybe its time to have a look at my collection and see if there should be more
rare stuff........=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: [tadream] L àffaire wallraff on auction
Hello,
I have stared today on ebay folowing auction:
Tangerine Dream - original L àffaire Wallraff CD
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866528663
This is not the Bootleg version, this is the ultra rare official EMI France
version.
Starting price are: US $ 1
Reserve price: US $ 80
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 10:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DWTII 2
Hi all
Hehe........forgot to let you all know that I have found a
supplier..................
Thanks everyone...............=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened?????
> Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ????????
>
> Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have
disappeared somehow........hmmmmm
>
> Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen
to what the others did on that project.
>
> Jan & Michael
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 1:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
I am having the very same problem with playing my LiveMiles album in the car
(and any of you who know me, know how crazy this is making me). It's an
official release, it has played before, the car player is only a year old
and I clean it every week, and it plays other albums like Thief just fine.
If you have already answered this question, just ignore this email. I am
only 100 plus behind and I insist on reading everything in order.
I am in the process of writing my Okefenokee memoirs, please be patient.
Morgan has kindly offered to put them up on his web site when I'm finished.
They will be a bit too long for this forum. Hm. Maybe they'll be a bit too
long for Morgan, too. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>From: 'John Marchington'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob
>Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:33:39 +1200
>
>Hi Michael. Are you referring to disc 3 of the 'TT' project or TDI's
>official release? If it's the latter, I'm wondering whether it might be
>that
>it's a Cactus copy-protected disc? This has recently been introduced to try
>and prevent CD copying on PCs etc. Trouble is, I don't know whether TDI
>would be using such a system, and who does the pressing for them?. BMG
>issued some without any warning on CD sleeves etc and people have been
>experiencing incapability problems when using some CD players. If you have
>a
>CD writer, or know someone who does, see if the disc can be easily copied
>to
>a CD-RW -- after all, that was the reason behind it all. If you have great
>difficulty, or find it impossible, I would guess that's the problem.
>
>It seems that BMG have now backed down on using this anti-copying system
>because of all the complaints.
>
>Of course, there might be a totally different explanation for the problem.
>Can't think what, though.
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: Dreamwatcher's Tale II Review
hey, all...
this is the first review i've seen of this offering... i thought it was due
time to say 'Good Job!' to everyone who contributed and it's great to hear what
other musicians are producing...
i too am up for a DWT III
jerome
-----------------------------------
DREAMWATCHER'S TALE II - Visions of the Watchgirl
CD 1
this CD peaks a little early for my taste... a slow beginning with the
composite but then picks up for the the next three songs, hitting it's high
point on song 3 before falling away again, though rounding up nicely at the
end...
1. Dreamwatcher's Fable
while stronger than it's composite counterpart on DWT I, i still think this
mixing of all the pieces is somehow a weak intro into the set... as a piece
half as long and somewhere in the middle of the first CD, maybe it would work
better...
2. Contact (Gille Hemery)
this is a nice piece... good driving sequence, clever chord changes as they
stand up well in repetition... and a nice length for the style... no
overkill... some very cool sequences...
3. Cloud of the Unknowning (Pergamon Vs Bondee System)
ahhhhh... there's the td token sequence... ;p this is a very cool 'late part
of the early td period' sounding piece... the solo is a cool voice... there
seem to be mostly voices that have td written on them, but enough freshness in
this piece to keep it from being td rehash... strongest piece up to this point,
and in fact, the strongest of the CD...
4. Gladiators (Olivier Briand)
the opening is very nice... overtones of PF's WYWH... around 2:30, the song
begins to take tonal shape and gets moving around 4:30... this is a really
great piece... i realize that i didn't say much about it, but i can't think of
anything other than i really enjoy listening to it... has a very dark ending
that really rounds it out...
5. Battlefield (Darklion)
this tune sounds like mabye some scoring from some B space movie... not to my
taste... all the voices are sharp, metallic and thin...
6.Electric Post-Rock Ensemble (Nightbirds)
this too has some of that 'early td' feel to it... it also breaks down the 10
mintue barrier set for pieces included in DWT, clocking it at over 14
minutes... this piece is just okay... a bit long, it doesn't nothing to move me
along...
7. Untitled (Paul Ellis & Nemesis)
eerie, spacey... cool stuff... dig the spacey sequence... overtones of td, but
not really in the voices, though there are some recognizable ones... i like
this piece... very mellow space electronic...
8. Leonids (James Owens)
almost touching on koyanasquasti there with that sparse intro... halfway
through we get the very cool high paced sequence carrying on the theme... good
length song for handling such a theme... nice ending to CD1...
CD 2
in general: of the five cds put out under the umbrella Dreamwatcher's, i would
say, overall, this is the strongest... i liked all the pieces very much, except
one, and they all seemed to fit very nicely together...
1. Drifting (Gustavo Jobim)
this is a great ambient tune... very strong... reminds me of Michael Hönig...
the perfect opening to any CD... the sharp, metallic sequence is a nice balance
to the thick, warm chords... well done!
2. Drafting the Comet V & VI (Ionic)
i'm not going to review my own piece, except that i think that it's a really
strong improv piece (and only the first 8 of 30 minutes... =)
3. Parisian Greetings (Olyam)
this has got nice overtones of vangelis' 'the city'... the bottle/can
percussion makes a nice rhythm and the solo 'horn' is nicely balanced... all in
all a very strong piece... these first three pieces really fit well together
and create a strong intro into CD2...
4. Red Ants Love Migration Freq - lion speed mix (Doktor Strange)
this is a repeat from the preview disc of DWT I (if i'm not mistaken) and
doesn't really pump my 'nads any more than it did the first time... it's a bit
heavy on the techno beat for me and doesn't really do much...
5. Dreamcatcher (Dave Brewer)
this mellow diddy has got some good chord changes and a nice xylophone type
solo supported by an 'urban' sequence... nice piece...
6. The Space Station (Darklion & Olyam)
this is one of strongest pieces on the CD... a great funk feeling to the whole
piece and the bass gives it a great support... nicely done organ pattern and
good funk guitar work surrounded by a nice touch of eletronica... there is a
good break 'round minute 6 that gives the piece some breathing room... great
song... the trumpet is great!
7. The Stealing of the Five Thousand (Mark Jenkins)
the soloing of this piece is what makes it... very nice choices for both voice
and melody lines... the counterpoint breaks give it great interest and the
guitar work is very nice... great choice of style changes and ideas... really
great piece...
8. Virage Bleu (Fred Yargui)
i have to admit, when i first heard the intro section to this piece, i felt
like i should be watching a porno movie... i really like the music, but it
definiately had some of that 'movie' quality... on subsequent listenings, i've
been able to remove those thoughts... =) it changes at about minute 2 and goes
for a different feel, giving a twist to the sound effects used by PF in
DSOTM... then it goes into a nice pattern and develops nicely...
9. Im Memoriam (Darklion & Olyam) Audio version
this is a nice piece... the guitar is very strong and it remains suitably
subtle...
once again: THANKS to all who contributed, produced, mixed, mastered,
compliled, distributed, supported, coordinated, and fixed lunch for this
project.
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 8:33
am
Subject: virgin cd issues
hi everyone
i am searching for the follwong cds
stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO
Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to believe that these do
not exist.
thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 10:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
Duncan,
I have Thief CDV2198. But it is the only copy of Thief that I have.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 09:33 AM 5/3/02 +0100, you wrote:
>hi everyone
>i am searching for the follwong cds
>
>stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO
>Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
>Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
>
>has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to believe that these
do not exist.
>
>thanks
>
>Duncan McKee
>
>tangram@t...
>www.tadream.co.uk
>ICQ 41739379
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
>Tangerine Tree info at
>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 11:13
am
Subject: TD concert poster on eBAY
Hi TD diehards,
take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on
eBAY:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't
find anything that matches this date:
Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!)
Any clues?
Regards
Heiko
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 11:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY
1974 is correct!
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM
Subject: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY
> Hi TD diehards,
> take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on
> eBAY:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
>
> I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't
> find anything that matches this date:
> Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!)
>
> Any clues?
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 11:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
> stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
I have never seen these and I am almost certain that they do NOT exist.
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 12:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
Make sure it is from UK. All copies I've seen are from Germany, Holland and
Japan.
> Duncan,
> I have Thief CDV2198. But it is the only copy of Thief that I have.
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 1:17
pm
Subject: Wanted: TDI 'Inferno' track times & names.
Hi All!
Would some kind person please confirm the track names and provide running
(or index) times for the TDI release?
I've searched all the postings and also all the usual places on the web.
Here's all that I could come up with:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:39:55 +0100, Peter Ravin wrote:
> The CD contains the following 18 tracks:
> 01. Before the closing of the day
> 02. The spirit of Virgil
> 03. Minotaurae hunt at dawn
> 04. Those once broke the first word
> 05. Dante in dispair
> 06. Io non mor
> 07. Vidi tre facce
> 08. At the deepest point in space
> 09. L'omperador del doloroso regno
> 10. Voices in a starless night
> 11. Fear and longing
> 12. Fallen for Death
> 13. Where all light went silent
> 14. Charon, il barchere
> 15. La grey de los almas perdidas
> 16. Justice of the karma law
> 17. As the sun moves towards heaven
> 18. Beatrice, l'ame infinie
On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:24:31 +0200, Heiko Neumann wrote:
> Also in this show, Olaf Zimmermann played two Songs of the 'Inferno'
> CD: Virgils Dream (3:20 min) and Beatrice Song (4:30 min)
I assume those are the track times for tracks 2 and 18?
All help is appreciated. Thanks -- Mark
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Last updated: 14 April 2002
Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] virgin cd issues
my stratrosfear CDV 2068 has been made in Germany...
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duncan mckee [mailto:tangram@t...]
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] virgin cd issues
>
>
> hi everyone
> i am searching for the follwong cds
>
> stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
>
> has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to
> believe that these do not exist.
>
> thanks
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> tangram@t...
> www.tadream.co.uk
> ICQ 41739379
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:37
pm
Subject: Thief
>Robert Gabrowsky said:
>Duncan,
>I have Thief CDV2198. But it is the only copy of Thief that I have.
>
>THE HIGHLANDER
So buy a regular Thief SBM for $12 and sell him the rarity! :) :)
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:44
pm
Subject: Aug 21 1974
>1974 is correct!
>Peter Ravn
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
>To:
>Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM
>Subject: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY
>
>
> > Hi TD diehards,
> > take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on
> > eBAY:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
> >
> > I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't
> > find anything that matches this date:
> > Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!)
> >
> > Any clues?
> >
> > Regards
> > Heiko
I don't doubt you at all. Just curious why it's not in Voices in the Dunes
or any of the lists so far. Is there some secret concert list that I don't
have? :)
Oh to have the ~$200 it will cost to get that poster... :(
-Morgan
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 3:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
Vic,
Those are the early releases and I have them.
Wade
--- vic rek wrote:
> > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or
> PDO
> > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or
> PDO
> > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
>
> I have never seen these and I am almost certain that
> they do NOT exist.
>
>
>
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:55
pm
Subject: Castle Reissues
Can someone tell me if the Castle Records reissues of the older Virgin
recordings are also remastered? Are they the same as the SBM editions
that Virgin re-released?
--
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Composer/Producer
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Thursday, May 30 at 8 pm
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: Paul Griesbach & a 'Tatort' mystery
Hello.
Probably most people know that Paul Griesbach toured England with TD from
25 Oct to 6 Nov 1990 playing flute, saxophone, & wind synth.
I've been corresponding with Paul and he says that he did one other job
with TD: He also worked on a 'Tatort' score over New Years, 1990/91. Well,
I figured that it must have been the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode
(broadcast on 9 Jun 1991) so I sent Paul MP3s of 'I Just Want To Rule My
Own Life Without You' and 'One Night In Medina'.
Well guess what... Paul says those were *not* what he worked on.
He provides this clue: 'I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' episode,
but I do know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german
actor) as Inspector Schimanski.'
According to http://www.das-erste.de/tatort, that would have to be the
'Der Fall Schimanski' episode broadcast on 29 Dec 1991 -- was Schimanski
killed off? -- so, if Paul isn't smoking something funny, there is
original TD music on that episode that has not been known before (at least
by me).
Does anyone out there have any more information about this?
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
Please note 'UK' - there are other releases floating around with the same
catalog number noted. The disc MUST state 'Made in UK' or 'Nimbus England'
in the Matrix number. Please double-check.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Gordon
To:
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
> Vic,
>
> Those are the early releases and I have them.
>
> Wade
> --- vic rek wrote:
> > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or
> > PDO
> > > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or
> > PDO
> > > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> >
> > I have never seen these and I am almost certain that
> > they do NOT exist.
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe:
> > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 5:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
For what it's worth:
'Stratosfear' [1985] Virgin (GB) CDV 2068
'Force Majeure' [1987] Virgin (GB) CDV 2111
'Thief' [1985] Virgin (GB) CDV 2198
These are the same numbers as the UK LP releases except prefixed by 'CD'.
UK CDV's that I have:
'Aqua' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2016
'Epsilon in Malayian Pale' [1985] Virgin (GB) CDV 2040
'Stuntman' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2139
'Kamikaze 1989' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2255
'Pinnacles' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2277
'Risky Business' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB?) CDV 2302
(Spindle: 787436 . 2 : 1 : 16 : EMI SWINDON)
Ciao -- Mark
vic rek wrote:
>
> Please note 'UK' - there are other releases floating around with the same
> catalog number noted. The disc MUST state 'Made in UK' or 'Nimbus England'
> in the Matrix number. Please double-check.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wade Gordon
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
>
> > Vic,
> >
> > Those are the early releases and I have them.
> >
> > Wade
> > --- vic rek wrote:
> > > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or
> > > PDO
> > > > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or
> > > PDO
> > > > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> > >
> > > I have never seen these and I am almost certain that
> > > they do NOT exist.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe:
> > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > http://health.yahoo.com
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 7:02
pm
Subject: New TD Concert Date Identified!
I was browsing eBay and I found this rare poster promoting a date not yet
listed in Paul Fellows' web page:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
I first guessed that the date of Wed. August 21st was from the year 1974
(since they were on tour at the time), and a 'date to day' program confirms
that August 21st 1974 is a Wednesday.
So, time to add another date to the TD Concert list?
Who will be the lucky winner of this item? ;-)
Vic
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 7:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Concert Date Identified!
There was also a Wednesday, August 21st in 1985, 1991, and 1996, and there
will be one this year (2002).
I don't remember them touring the UK any of those years though...
James
> -----Original Message-----
> I was browsing eBay and I found this rare poster promoting a
> date not yet
> listed in Paul Fellows' web page:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
>
> I first guessed that the date of Wed. August 21st was from
> the year 1974
> (since they were on tour at the time), and a 'date to day'
> program confirms
> that August 21st 1974 is a Wednesday.
>
> So, time to add another date to the TD Concert list?
> Who will be the lucky winner of this item? ;-)
From:
kassel24@h...
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:35
am
Subject: NIMBUS - EPSILON
The first initial releases of TD on CD way back in 1985-7 thereabouts were
all manufactured by NIMBUS or PDO, back then CD supply could not meet
demand.
Nimbus was the first CD exclusive pressing plant in the UK. The other main
contender for issuing CD's initially in Europe was PDO (Polygram (now
Universal Music Group)) which covered many many issues form a variety of
labels ....
Nimbus CD-TD issues.
As the sound does not have the comparative sound quality of the later TD
definitive editions, these items really are really for serious CD - TD
collectors and what I would term as Serial Number Collectors. Fans that
collect many duplicate items of releases for the sake of the different
numbers and places of manufacture.... etc are really obsessive
fanatics...but it is unfortunately not an uncommon phenomenon. There are
many collectors of this type in the Classical Music world as well.....I
would personally advise TD fans NOT to adopt obsessive behaviour and become
Serial Collectors.
On another note... why don't we partition Virgin records to do a Definitive
Edtion of Edgar Froese and Peter Baumann CD's ... and re-release the back
catalogue and hard to get items such as Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Kamikaze
1989 and Pinnacles. Is it not about time that Virgin re-released Epsilon
again ?!
Con31
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 2:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON
YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH!
(sorry for that one-liner meaningless post, but that was my instantaneous
reaction to this suggestion and I just had to share that with you ;)
Con31 wrote:
>(...) why don't we partition Virgin records to do a Definitive Edtion of Edgar
Froese and Peter Baumann CD's ... and re-release the back catalogue and hard
to get items(...)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 7:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues
For what it's worth, my 'Stratosfear' (CDV2068) and 'Force Majeure'
(CDV2111) are both French-pressings (from MPO), while 'Thief' (CDV2198) is
Japanese. Checking the rest of my Virgin TD releases, 'Logos' is also from
MPO, while 'Rubycon', 'Ricochet', 'Cyclone' and White Eagle' are all German
pressings. The rest are all Nimbus pressings, so I would suggest it's quite
likely that some 'Stratosfear', 'Force Majeure' and 'Thief' could have come
from there as well.
I assume you all know that Nimbus is no more! I guess if any of them become
faulty, for whatever reason, it'll be a matter of buying a new one from
another source if it's still available! I've also struck problems in getting
replacements out of PDO when the 'bronzing' on many of their releases
becomes an issue. I used to have a contact there who was great and took me
at my word when I wrote with PDO pressing problems (classical Hyperions,
Unicorn-Kanchana, ASVs etc) and I was always totally honest with her. After
she retired, however, it was never the same and I had to return ALL THE
FAULTY DISCS I HAD KEPT before they would replace any more and it was AT MY
EXPENSE! Maybe I was simply unlucky with the person I dealt with.
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: Paul Griesbach & a 'Tatort' mystery
>He provides this clue: 'I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort'
>episode,
>but I do know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german
>actor) as Inspector Schimanski.'
Sure he didn't work on some of the other TD 'background' music
in 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' ? By far not all made it onto the
Chi Coltrane single.
I'm not aware of any TD music in the last Schimanski Tatort, but
havn't seen it for a while (they re-run frequently).
The Tatort episodes came to an end because the actor playing
Schimanski's friend and colleague died of a real-life hart attack.
1997, it came back as a self-titled series 'Schimanski',
still with Götz George, still running.
All episodes are 90min long, only 2 were released for cinema,
and can thus be found on official videos, 'Zahn um Zahn' and
'Zabou'. For all the rest, you'll have to look for TV recordings.
http://horst-schimanski.org/ gives a good overview in german,
you only need a few words to understand the Film info.
viele Grüsse
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 10:58
am
Subject: homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wanted!
Hi all,
I have completely redesigned my homepage, and it's up for
test use this weekend, I plan to full release it on Monday.
I've tested it with Netscape 6 and IE 6, but I'd appreciate
if a few Netscape 4, IE 4.x , 5.x , Opera or Konqueror
users would test-walk it and give me feedback.
What could lure you in ? Mainly a completely updated version
of the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'.
http://www.caby.de/1
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Alan Miller'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 11:55
am
Subject: Berlin 15 June
Can anyone help me with some suggestions of suitable hotels (3* or 4*) near
the Museumsinsel. Also if anyone knows of where I can some deals on flights
from London.
Thanks in anticipation
Alan
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 10:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY
Hi Heiko,
In response to your request surrounding this concert date, I checked my TD
cuttings scrapbook for you, and found three entries which may help solve the
mystery surrounding this date...
1 - 'Dream Extra Gig - Tangerine Dream are to play another British concert
date this month, in addition to their previously-booked date at Chichester
Festival Theatre on August 18. The new gig is at Salisbury City Hall on
Wednesday, August 21, and tickets are now on sale at the box office and the
Virgin Records shop in Bristol.'
2 - 'Dream Tour - Tangerine Dream will be appearing at Salisbury's City Hall
on August 21 as a prelude to their first British tour in October. The German
synthesiser trio, as announced in last week's MM, will also be playing at
the Chichester Festival on August 18.' (MM - UK's Melody Maker)
3 - 'Dream For UK Tour - In addition to their appearance at the Chichester
Festival Theatre on August 18, Tangerine Dream will also play Salisbury City
Hall on August 21. During late October, the band undertake a five week UK
tour, full details of which will be announced shortly. The group are
currently in Berlin rehearsing and working on stage presentation.'
Seeing as how the cuttings mention TD's first UK tour and the Chichester
Festival appearance, it seems certain that the year they played Salisbury on
August 21 was indeed 1974. In the scrapbook's index, I have noted that this
concert is not listed in 'Voices In The Dunes.'
Glad to be of help,
- Chris
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY
I thought I identified the year as 1974 in my first post on this subject?
So, what was the question again ;-)
> 1974 is correct!
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM
> Subject: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY
>
>
> > Hi TD diehards,
> > take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on
> > eBAY:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
> >
> > I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't
> > find anything that matches this date:
> > Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!)
> >
> > Any clues?
> >
> > Regards
> > Heiko
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 5:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON
[...].....I
> would personally advise TD fans NOT to adopt obsessive behaviour and
become
> Serial Collectors.
So what is wrong with becoming a serial collector? Better yet, I collect
down to the matrix number, so how's that for being obsessive? PROUD to be
an extreme TD collector :-))) Vic
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wanted!
r r r r rrrrr
you bee a lurrring are we???????
rrr r r r r r rr
opps got the patch on the wrong eye....
§-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'tadream list (mod)'
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:58 AM
Subject: [tadream] homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wanted!
> What could lure you in ? Mainly a completely updated version
> of the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'.
>
> http://www.caby.de/1
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON
'..adopt obsessive behavior..' or AOB
synonymous with Tangerine Dream Fan
AOB=TDF
Also note the denial, another trait of TDF.
I wish I could help you with this problem. However, I have been exposed to
TD for 20 something years now. I am a carrier. If you wish not catch this
thing, I could suggest country, rap or something of that nature. (Please
don't email me back you like this stuff...)
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON
> [...].....I
> > would personally advise TD fans NOT to adopt obsessive behaviour and
> become
> > Serial Collectors.
>
> So what is wrong with becoming a serial collector? Better yet, I collect
> down to the matrix number, so how's that for being obsessive? PROUD to be
> an extreme TD collector :-))) Vic
From:
'Ray Hallett'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 7:27
am
Subject: NIMBUS - EPSILON - LOCOMOTIVE
Agreed ......... there are many Serial collectors of CD and LP's and that's
fine.... I will be collecting the Nimbus and PDO CD's pressings myself....
when I obtain my first CD ........... this will go on ebay ... about
£50.00??!!! Or is that too much ?
next stop !!
This reminds me of a show I watched about 4 years ago, everyone laughed in
the audience when a person being interviewed related a story about book he
issued which contained all the record matrix numbers of the 1950's -
1970's locomotive steam engine LP's released Danacord. He aparently
received a irrate telephone call from a collector who told him that one of
the matrix numbers was incorrect. ....... now that's funny ! I supose this
fan was a Very Serious Serial Collector of Sound Locomotive Engine LPs !
Mind you did not the originator of MFSL start off recording Locotmotives
engine sounds in the USA before founding the Musical Fidelity catalogue ?!
Con31
From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 1:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON
Hi,
Just a note: do you actually mean 'petition' here or you want to split the
record company?
Oh, silly question, maybe 'partition' is a better way.....
Jeffrey
;-)
> On another note... why don't we partition Virgin records to do a
Definitive
> Edtion of Edgar Froese and Peter Baumann CD's ... and re-release the back
> catalogue and hard to get items such as Epsilon in Malaysian Pale,
Kamikaze
> 1989 and Pinnacles. Is it not about time that Virgin re-released Epsilon
> again ?!
>
> Con31
From:
'aolincnderson'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 9:38
am
Subject: Re: virgin cd issues
--- In tadream@y..., 'duncan mckee' wrote:
> hi everyone
> i am searching for the follwong cds
>
> stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
> Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO
>
> has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to believe
that these do not exist.
>
> thanks
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> tangram@t...
> www.tadream.co.uk
> ICQ 41739379
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I have those cd's, but even though they were bought on the day they
were issued, CDV2068 MPO 05, CDV2111 MPO 02, and CDV2198 CTA Japan.
Other early cd releases are nimbus and some, with purple overprint
on cd don't say where they're from. On the MPO ones you can clearly
read the printing through the disc although they still play
perfectly. I've even got Flashpoint HMIXD 29 MP01 which plays OK too.
Cheers
Colin Anderson (uk)
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 10:19
am
Subject: Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
Hi all,
and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-)
My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open
for visitors.
Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please
update your links, bookmarks and favourites.
Klaus' home page
http://www.caby.de
Klaus' Music Page
http://www.caby.de/music.htm
Klaus' list of TD related links
http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm
NEW FEATURES:
1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue
text on black background ;-)
2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article
on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'.
Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes',
soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project.
3) consolidated lists of my collection:
newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet
mainlist - everything completely rated etc.
no more seperate videos lists etc.
4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file,
listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert
recordings.
5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting
to be picked.
6) updated links page
7) a page for special offers, running an auction until
Tuesday May 7.
and some more little details.
Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks !
cheers,
klaus
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Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683
Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631
D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754
Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142
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From:
'Ray Hallett'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: TIFFS JPEGS + PDF etc
I notice that I am now #1 at long last on the TD webring receiving list....
(Heiko I got there eventually) .... .sorry I have to blow my own trumpet
here ..but I have become quite excited .........I have constantly monitored
the webring statistics and have sent numerous emails to Heiko that I have
been #2 or #3 for too long... and wanted the #1 spot ... but I got there!!!!
A obsession of mine...... sorry folks ?!
A information.data request ............
I am currently expanding my website.... and have restricted some of the
documents to a on-line/e basis only format.
The Bernau and Conrad Schnitzler Pages cannot be printed or manipulated and
will only exist in a e-format.... most of the TD - JPEGS are of a low
quality for fast download purposes only and some are digitally encrypted
which will have horrible black marks if printed/manipulation is attempted.
As I am now seeking more data/scans of Conrad Schnitzler, Tangerine Dream,
Future Sound of London - I am quite happy to swap/exchange full functional
copies of all material in HIGH QUALITY - JPEG, TIFF or fully functional PDF
formats.....any offers please !
Con31
www.con31.co.uk
From:
'zepplock'
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:53
am
Subject: Biggest Web Bootleg Database
Hello all.
I am a programmer, and as a hooby I'd like to create Biggest Web
Database for bootlegs. This will include features like search,
coverart, track listing, additional info. Also user accounts
The project I wanna start will be absolutely free and 'open source'.
I need couple of people to help. Programmers (php/mysql),
webdesigners, reviewers, beta testers.
My email is: z e p p l o c k @ y a h o o . c o m
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From:
'winnie tiggerfan'
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 12:03
am
Subject: Digital Tape Tree setlists
Hey all, a quick note. I had posted awhile ago about the Digital Tape Tree
setlists, and wasn't sure if I got a response or not. It's labeled Volume 1-20,
and it's ripped in Mp3 format (yes, I knew I was getting it in that format, I'm
ok with it), BUT I HAVE NO track listing for it.
Any help would be awesomely appreciated. Either e-mail me here or
winnietiggerfan@k...
thanks.
dan
Kayleigh's Playhouse - FLASH IMPACT!
PRIVATE CDR Bootleg Trading Forum!!
http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com
AOL/Praize Messenger (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger!!!
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From:
'Jupe'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 12:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
Great Job Klaus !!
only a correction :
'Stealing from the thieves, another version of the 1975 London, Royal Albert
Hall concert was released on the 'Phaedream' CD. The record was mainly
marketed through Japan, and only the first two tracks (33 minutes) are
really TD, the third is a track by Nico.'
The third not is a Nico track . The name of the track is 'Vuelo Quimico' and
the name of the work is the same . Is the second work (EMI - Harvest 1978)
of the Spanish group NEURONIUM . The track have the credit of Nico reading
an Edgar Allan Poe poem .
Sorry for my poor english and Best Regards ,
Jupe
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'tadream list (mod)'
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:19 PM
Subject: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
>
> Hi all,
> and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-)
>
> My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open
> for visitors.
>
> Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please
> update your links, bookmarks and favourites.
>
> Klaus' home page
> http://www.caby.de
>
> Klaus' Music Page
> http://www.caby.de/music.htm
>
> Klaus' list of TD related links
> http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm
>
> NEW FEATURES:
>
> 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue
> text on black background ;-)
>
> 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article
> on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'.
> Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes',
> soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project.
>
> 3) consolidated lists of my collection:
> newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet
> mainlist - everything completely rated etc.
> no more seperate videos lists etc.
>
> 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file,
> listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert
> recordings.
>
> 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting
> to be picked.
>
> 6) updated links page
>
> 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until
> Tuesday May 7.
>
> and some more little details.
>
> Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks !
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
> --
>
> Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683
> Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631
> D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754
> Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142
> ............................................http://www.caby.de
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
I made a few trips around your site yesterday. It was a very good site with
plenty or material.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'tadream list (mod)'
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:19 AM
Subject: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
>
> Hi all,
> and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-)
>
> My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open
> for visitors.
>
> Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please
> update your links, bookmarks and favourites.
>
> Klaus' home page
> http://www.caby.de
>
> Klaus' Music Page
> http://www.caby.de/music.htm
>
> Klaus' list of TD related links
> http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm
>
> NEW FEATURES:
>
> 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue
> text on black background ;-)
>
> 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article
> on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'.
> Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes',
> soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project.
>
> 3) consolidated lists of my collection:
> newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet
> mainlist - everything completely rated etc.
> no more seperate videos lists etc.
>
> 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file,
> listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert
> recordings.
>
> 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting
> to be picked.
>
> 6) updated links page
>
> 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until
> Tuesday May 7.
>
> and some more little details.
>
> Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks !
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
> --
>
> Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683
> Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631
> D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754
> Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142
> ............................................http://www.caby.de
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 6:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
I made a few trips around your site yesterday. It was a very good site with
> plenty of material
^^
Dale
I wasn't watching what one of my cats typed for me. Silly thing.
Opps.. maybe I just let the cat out of the bag?
I didn't tell everyone I have a few cats who are a bit musical.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
> I made a few trips around your site yesterday. It was a very good site
with
> plenty or material.
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
> To: 'tadream list (mod)'
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:19 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS!
>
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> > and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-)
> >
> > My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open
> > for visitors.
> >
> > Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please
> > update your links, bookmarks and favourites.
> >
> > Klaus' home page
> > http://www.caby.de
> >
> > Klaus' Music Page
> > http://www.caby.de/music.htm
> >
> > Klaus' list of TD related links
> > http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm
> >
> > NEW FEATURES:
> >
> > 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue
> > text on black background ;-)
> >
> > 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article
> > on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'.
> > Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes',
> > soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project.
> >
> > 3) consolidated lists of my collection:
> > newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet
> > mainlist - everything completely rated etc.
> > no more seperate videos lists etc.
> >
> > 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file,
> > listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert
> > recordings.
> >
> > 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting
> > to be picked.
> >
> > 6) updated links page
> >
> > 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until
> > Tuesday May 7.
> >
> > and some more little details.
> >
> > Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks !
> >
> > cheers,
> > klaus
> >
> > --
> >
> > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683
> > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631
> > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754
> > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142
> > ............................................http://www.caby.de
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Ray Hallett'
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 6:23
am
Subject: PETITION PEEL for 34 years
I think 'petition' would be a much better method than
'partition'..............
my computer spell checked my email before being sent out, and thought
partition is much better .... 'who am I to argue'.
A momentary lapse of word blindness on my 'part' .......apologies....I do
suffer these 'bouts' of confusion.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
Only suffered TD for 20 years !? ......... lets face it the oldest TD fan
could only have suffered TD for 34 years now....
if we are talking and include the pre-electronic era .... i.e. 1968 ........
but the music is hardly the same post 1973' ish as opposed to pre 1973.
Q. So are there any fans on this TD list that listened and purchased TD
prioir to the issue of Phaedra that still listen to TD now?
Or is everyone on this list a listener that collected after the issue of
Phaedra ?
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
I myself collected after the issue of Phaedra ... and first heard TD on the
Peel show in 1973 on BBC Radio 1.......
John Peel related many times the fact that he received more mail (letters)
about TD than any other group in 1972 and 1973.
(They probably all came from the same person who collected the Sound Steam
Locomotive Engine LP's :-))
On another note..................
I attended a Reading Festival in 1978 and everyone was wearing a T-shirt
with the words 'WHO THE F**K IS JOHN PEEL'.
The last item I ever head John Peel play TD was Stratosfear ... I think TD
got too commercial for him after that !
Anyone correct me if I am wrong..........
Con31
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 3:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database
Hello again friend!!
I see that you are still enjoying the bootlegs...hehe...
ATYE's Music
Trades Listings
This is my newest project.... I am almost done with the updates and will do a
little more on the actual HTML format then.
Let me know if you want FTP access again, I have an 80GB HDD damn near FULL
of music .. hehe.
:-)
Write back,
Alex
(ATYE)
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 3:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database
OH NO.....not the dreaded 'hit the REPLY button' error !!
apologies for the public posting....
ATYE
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:35
am
Subject: Liquid Sound Trip
This may or may not be on-topic, but here is a copy of my impression of the
Liquid Sound festival held in Bad Sulza on April 5-7, 2002. Below is what I
e-mailed to Mario at Manikin Records who organized the music.
Roger and I travelled to Liquid Sound from USA. I think we were the only
guests from USA, and after being in Bad Sulza (former East Germany) for a
few days, it looked like very few Americans have made it there. We had a
nice trip by train from Berlin to Bad Sulza (only one change of trains). My
first impression was wonderful - a small beautiful town nestled in a river
valley and flanked by castles. We checked into the spa and occupied the top
(8th) floor rooms with a beautiful view onto the Therme/Spa and the hills
surrounding the place. We rarely visited our rooms (only twice to sleep for
a few hours) since we were going to spend 36 hours non-stop in a steamy spa
and listening to music while in the water. At first I was apprehensive
about such an event, but it came off wonderfully, thanks to the great
organization by Micky Remann and Mario. When they said 36 hours, that is
exactly what it was. The music started on time and never ended until 36
hours later. Each group/artist played 2 hour sets and one set melted into
the other. The music was played from a circular platform looking over the
various pools. This was just too good to be true - a water paradise,
perfect temperature, food & drink, and the opportunity to get your fix of
wonderful EM and spend some time socializing with the musicians. Mario
managed to set up a wonderful line-up which included Detlef and himself,
AirSculpture, Spyra, Mind-Flux, just to mention a few - and all of the
musicians were up to the task of composing ambient music that could be
enjoyed while listening under water. Yes, music was being played underwater
too, so you could float on your back and listen to music under/above water
simultaneously. It was a great time to just relax, contemplate and see how
your mind transforms over the hours of non-stop music. It was like being in
a trance, a slave to music and pleasure (under the watchful eye of the
Badmeister ;-). So, if you want to know more, you'll just have to make the
trip next year and check it out. But bring plenty of cash for the CDs and
food, since they do not accept credit cards. See you next year! VicRek
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke Report - thanks!
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the fantastic Oke report. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it on
this blah morning at the office. Gee, it sounds like it was a lot of fun.
Maybe it's time to start saving up right now to try and make it to one of
these maybe next year!!!
>
> Did you say there's talk of doing one in the Southwest next year? That
would be way cool IMO!!!
>
I still owe a Ricochet Gathering 2002 - Okefenokee Swamp report... I'll have
it out in a few days.
As to next year's location - it will be in the Mojave Desert and I will
announce the exact location soon.
VicRek
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering
----- Original Message -----
From: Morgan Feldon
> Vic said maybe we'll come back to Okefenokee for a 10 year anniversary. :)
>
> I hope it stays in the US. There are enough European festivals I can't
attend!
>
Yes, I plan to come back to the Swamp for the 10th year anniversary!!!
But, no, this event will not be just a US event - it will move to Europe in
the future.
VicRek
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 5:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gathering Music
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Gordon
> Thanks for telling us about the gathering. Is there a
> plan to release a music c.d. from the gathering?
Yes, music will be released from this year's gathering, but I have no other
information at the moment.
VicRek
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 7:12
am
Subject: [tadream] Golden Collection 2000
Hi all,
Just returned from a week in sunny Tunisia, I saw an interesting thing in
the hotel shop...the Russian 'grey market' bootleg 'Golden Collection 2000'
for another artist...Cher! So it's part of a series.
Paul
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 1:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database
This kind of conversation should be held in private, please, not on the
list.
Thanks,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> Let me know if you want FTP access again, I have an 80GB HDD
> damn near FULL of music .. hehe.
From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 2:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database
I sent a follow-up note apologizing for the error....guess it didn't make it
through.
I hit 'REPLY' by mistake.....All Apologies
ATYE
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 3:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database
np- I wish I had a nickel for every e-mail I accidentally sent to an
unintended address
;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> I sent a follow-up note apologizing for the error....guess it
> didn't make it
> through.
>
> I hit 'REPLY' by mistake.....All Apologies
From:
'Mr Staypuft'
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:58
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to Toronto
10 Years is definitely a long enough wait. I'd like to see them at Massey
Hall again.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:09 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to Toronto
I'm in the GTA... and you're right, TD have to come to
North America and especially Toronto :-)
Welcome to the list!
--- Liquid Universe
wrote:
> Hey everyone......new to the list, here....big TD
> fan, too.
>
> Anyway, i'm starting a petition to try and bring TD
> to The Great White
> North.
> Any and all Canadian TD fans...or all fans for that
> matter, are
> encouraged to
> go to my webpage, and sign the petition:
> http://www.execulink.com/~liquiduniverse/
>
> Let's show TD that the U.K. and Europe aren't the
> only places they want
> to
> be seen and heard.
>
> *radiowaves*
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gathering Music
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wade Gordon
> > Thanks for telling us about the gathering. Is there a
> > plan to release a music c.d. from the gathering?
>
> Yes, music will be released from this year's gathering, but I have no other
> information at the moment.
> VicRek
Friday and most of Saturday have been burned onto four CDRs. Already, that's
one more CDR than last year! Only two short files left from Jens, Howard and me
mucking about Saturday afternoon yet to put onto CDR. I still need to do a QC
listen to the CDRs before I send out copies to Vic and the musos.
The Planetary Ambience concert is on three tapes and will take some time to
transfer, considering the limited disc space on my PC. But I am in no hurry to
do these as both Vic and Pete already have Marion's files from her Creative Labs
recorder. Unless I hear from Vic or Pete that the sound quality isn't good
enough, getting Sunday's concert to CDR won't be such a big priority for me. (I
have a LOT of other things going on.)
The dance rave music from SSO will NOT leave my possession since it belongs to
SSO and Steve asked me not to release it. I will only release this material
with Steve's and Jens' permission.
Cheers,
Bill
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 2:22
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] New TD Concert Date Identified!
To think they came to the town where I was born, but I was only 10 at the
time and had never heard of them....
Paul
----------
>De : 'Owens, James'
>À : ''tadream@yahoogroups.com''
>Objet : RE: [tadream] New TD Concert Date Identified!
>Date : Ven 3 mai 2002 21:31
>
> There was also a Wednesday, August 21st in 1985, 1991, and 1996, and there
> will be one this year (2002).
>
> I don't remember them touring the UK any of those years though...
>
> James
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> I was browsing eBay and I found this rare poster promoting a
>> date not yet
>> listed in Paul Fellows' web page:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035
>>
>> I first guessed that the date of Wed. August 21st was from
>> the year 1974
>> (since they were on tour at the time), and a 'date to day'
>> program confirms
>> that August 21st 1974 is a Wednesday.
>>
>> So, time to add another date to the TD Concert list?
>> Who will be the lucky winner of this item? ;-)
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 2:52
pm
Subject: yet another new concert date
Hi all,
Got this message a few days ago:
> Hi, Paul,
> at this moment I am visiting your 'concert dates' page. I have a concert
> poster that proves a concert in Mönchengladbach, Germany on oct.27, 1972 at
> the aula of the Gymnasium (school). Maybe it's of interest for you.
> Regards, Andreas
>
What does everyone think? The German tour in 1972 was cancelled by the way,
I suspect this concert was one of the victims and never took place...they
did a couple of radio appearances and a sort of multimedia show in 1972 but
nothing that could be really classed as a 'proper' concert...
Paul
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PENFOLD
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: Petition to bring TD to USA
After the cancellation & fiasco of the delayed and aborted US
tour.....how about starting something to get TD back on North American soil
(that includes Canada too!)
I'm so jonesing to hear Live TD.....and the wife is too!
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to USA
I am sorry, I am in denial, what concert? what tour?
I still have not received a refund for my tickets. Therefore it must have
happen and I was in a coma.
;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'PENFOLD'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:11 AM
Subject: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to USA
> After the cancellation & fiasco of the delayed and aborted US
> tour.....how about starting something to get TD back on North American
soil
> (that includes Canada too!)
>
> I'm so jonesing to hear Live TD.....and the wife is too!
>
>
> Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
> mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
> Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
> 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have
the
> $$.....Damn!!!!!
> 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
> Feldman
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at:
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
>
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database
Actually, there already is one that comes close. It's at www.phishhook.com,
has thousands of members, and is searchable by artist, date, city, and
venue. It's geared mainly toward Phish and Grateful Dead traders, but there
is some TD on there (including mine).
Scott
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
Hi all
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=868002511
Is this an official item?
Thought it was worth a fortune! Or is it only the LP which fetches
extortionate amounts...
Paul
From:
atye@a...
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
Here we go again..... This crops up from time to time....
Check the link below. Kaleisdoscope was a psychadelic rock band from the UK
in the late 60's. They just so happened to have an album called 'Tangerine
Dream'. I have not heard of any link between this band and Mr. Froese.
I think that this is a common misunderstanding.
Kaleidoscope
Thanks,
ATYE
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 9:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to USA
Well.......all I have to do is change a few things around on my webpage, but we
can help get the ball rollin'.
PENFOLD wrote:
> After the cancellation & fiasco of the delayed and aborted US
> tour.....how about starting something to get TD back on North American soil
> (that includes Canada too!)
>
> I'm so jonesing to hear Live TD.....and the wife is too!
>
> Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
> mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
> Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
> 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
> $$.....Damn!!!!!
> 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
> Feldman
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 11:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
I don't believe that Paul was questioning if this was TD related, but thanks
for clarifying this to the newcomers.
I think he was asking if the CD version was as rare as the LP release. I
have seen the LP go for close to $200 and the CD is not that rare, maybe
worth $20 or so.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
> Here we go again..... This crops up from time to time....
>
> Check the link below. Kaleisdoscope was a psychadelic rock band from the
UK
> in the late 60's. They just so happened to have an album called 'Tangerine
> Dream'. I have not heard of any link between this band and Mr. Froese.
>
> I think that this is a common misunderstanding.
>
>
> Kaleidoscope
>
>
> Thanks,
> ATYE
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 2:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
I think I've seen the CD for sale once, which is something remarkable
considering that it's a bit hard to find less known prog. albums here in the
specialized stores - things such as Ash Ra Tempel for example aren't as usual
as, say, Tangerine Dream. Or have I seen that album by the band called
Tangerine? Or am I mixing everything up? Or should I simply not send this
disturbed rambling?
-GJ
HD NP NML.
(gustavo jobim having dinner now playing no man's land. :)
>I think he was asking if the CD version was as rare as the LP release. I
>have seen the LP go for close to $200 and the CD is not that rare, maybe
>worth $20 or so.
>Vic
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 1:23
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree Feedback
A couple of months too late maybe but here is some feedback to the first
part of the TD-tree. Note that I don't have the most advanced of
Stereo-equipment and lack the interest in comparing everything into smallest
detail. I'm always afraid that I would get tired of the music if I start to
dissect it/listen to it too frequently.
1) Nottingham 76
The first two tracks could easily be officially released as they are.
There's only a short 'blurr' at around 22 minutes into Track 1, otherwise
superb. Track three doesn't reach the same level of course, but still it is
great to have it included. A shame only that it isn't the entire track.
I can now tell for sure which one of the two recordings I have of this
concert, that obviously is another show. Were there more than one show in
Nottingham '76?
2) Sheffield 74
This is perhaps the most pleasant surprise of them all. I had never heard
this one before and I'm amazed by the high quality of it. Cannot remember
that I've heard anything that old of the same quality. I expected something
like Phaedra but it isn't. Truly improvised, truly great. Just wish there
was a way of getting the ending as well.
3) Bernau 01
I have a few versions of this one since before and as one of them is
excellent I have to listen more carefully to be able to tell the difference.
Must say that I was a bit surprised by the choice of including this concert
in the first package, as the official release only just arrived, but since
there has been no official complaints why should I complain.
The interesting thing about Inferno is that even though I still find it the
most interesting music from TD in many years it just won't go beyond that.
Doesn't matter how many times I listen to it, I still just find it plain
interesting. Wonder if it ever will lift-off from there.
I'm looking forward to the second part. I was only a 'cannot connect to
server' away from ordering tickets to the June show when I learned through
this list (where else?) that it is going to be Part 1 again. Saved me some
money for the summer holliday.
4) Washington 77
Great show, again excellent quality, beats the recording I have. And that
one isn't bad at all. There is a moment of something that sounds like static
noise around 11-12 minutes into Cherokee Lane, otherwise great. Music-wise I
had forgotten about the 'Baumann-esque' first 7 minutes of Monolith. Just
marvellous. A pity that the track develops the way it does.
Mr. Motta is a winner!
5) Fassbinder Memorial
Along with Bernau this is the recording that in quality is very close to
what I already have. I cannot tell the difference at this stage.
The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all.
6) Bilbao 76
The evident difference here is of course the audience noice that has been
cut down to a minimum. Don't know what has been done with the music but this
sounds crisper than the one I have. Track one and two are very good, track
three almost as good while track four is very noticeably poorer in quality.
Too sad as it is a beauty.
7) Croydon 75
So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert? Hadn't heard this one before.
A great experience. Apart from some static noice between 5:30 and 7:30
(track 2) this could have been an official release. Absolutely marvellous.
8) Berlin 76
I always thought that my copy must be the best available but this one beats
it easily. Another excellent recording and a great end to the first package.
All in all I'm very impressed by the recordings and also with the speed with
which this whole project has developed. I would never have thought that the
discs would arrive that soon. So thanks to all involved and a special thank
you to Heiko who came up with the idea.
I noticed that the second part of the Tree will include the Mother of all TD
concerts 'Royal Albert Hall 75' with the complete first set. If that one is
of even higher quality than the one I received (from someone in the
Hamburg-area) a year or so ago , It'll be an experience worth waiting for.
Bye for now
Olle
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback
olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
>
-snip-
>
> 4) Washington 77
>
> Great show, again excellent quality, beats the recording I have. And
> that one isn't bad at all. There is a moment of something that sounds
> like static noise around 11-12 minutes into Cherokee Lane, otherwise
> great. Music-wise I had forgotten about the 'Baumann-esque' first 7
> minutes of Monolith. Just marvellous. ...
Huh? Isn't 'Monolith' a made-up name?
Aren't 'Drywater Rush', 'Rain in Spain', and 'Octagon' also made-up names?
Let me know, quickly please -- Mark
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From:
'musonaut'
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 2:12
pm
Subject: Legal T. Dream 2 LP Picture Disc
Hello,
I have the T. Dream 'The Poland concert' 2LP Picure Disc issued on
Jive label, beginning of 80's.
please contact me offlist if anyone is interested in more
info or trades.
email: dsm4music@h...
musonaut
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback
>1) Nottingham 76
>
>The first two tracks could easily be officially released as they are.
>There's only a short 'blurr' at around 22 minutes into Track 1, otherwise
>superb. Track three doesn't reach the same level of course, but still it is
>great to have it included. A shame only that it isn't the entire track.
IMHO tracks 1 and 3 are brilliant, but I don't care much about #2... Except
perhaps the re-rendition of the Ricohet theme. And I too am left unsatisfied
when the song fades off just as Eddie starts some real guuud guitar playing.
Sounds sort of like the main theme in Stratosfear, but better!
BTW: a while ago we were thinking up names for Tree material. I remember
that the main sets here got titled Scale Deluxe and Sorcerer Supreme. But
did my suggestion for the third track here go simply unnoticed, or overrided
by some another suggestion? It was 'Indolent Annihilation'.
>4) Washington 77
---
>Music-wise I
>had forgotten about the 'Baumann-esque' first 7 minutes of Monolith. Just
>marvellous. A pity that the track develops the way it does.
OK, so I had to check that definition. I agree...
But the rest is nice too, the part where the sequence drops out and Edgar
tries to cover that by really insane guitar playing is cool...
>Mr. Motta is a winner!
Huh?
>5) Fassbinder Memorial
---
>The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all.
Some contradiction here? ;-)
>6) Bilbao 76
To continue the track naming...: How about 'Live Grove' for part 1 and
'Straits of Noon' for part 2?
>7) Croydon 75
>So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert?
>--this could have been an official release. Absolutely marvellous.
Another contradiction?
Basically this did get released. Not unaltered of course, but I have to say
that the mixed&mastered version of Ricochet II is better than the one
here... The best moment of part 1 (the intro) got in too, the rest is a wee
bit boring. And the encore sounds like they simply reperformed some part 2
themes, overlaid with that pingy sequence...
John Vertical
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From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
--- In tadream@y..., 'vic rek' wrote:
>
> fo
> I think he was asking if the CD version was as rare as the LP
release.
> have seen the LP go for close to $200
God I wish I had got this album the amount of times I saw this in
The TD section in record stores.
Cheers Gary
NP.The Keep-TDI
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope
>
>
> > Here we go again..... This crops up from time to time....
> >
> > Check the link below. Kaleisdoscope was a psychadelic rock band
from the
> UK
> > in the late 60's. They just so happened to have an album
called 'Tangerine
> > Dream'. I have not heard of any link between this band and Mr.
Froese.
> >
> > I think that this is a common misunderstanding.
> >
> >
> > Kaleidoscope
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ATYE
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y...
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 8:26
pm
Subject: Inferno
My copy of Inferno arrived after an infernal time in the UK post system.
Sorry to any posties on the list. It was worth the wait. It's beautiful
It works. Thanks, TD.
Before Inferno, I hadn't come across Dante's work before. I knew that some
scientists had named a robot after him which they sent into the caldera of a
volcano to send back pictures. The scientists managed to kink the cable and
the experiment didn't get very far.
Reading the notes of the CD the subject matter could get very heavy and
negative. But the music is unified and uplifting. I look forward to the
next part. Hope we get to see all parts performed together, if that can be
managed.
High lights of the CD for me are Dante in Despair, Voices in a starless night
and La grey de los almas perdidas - tracks 5,10 and 15.
Anyone got any comments on the Divine Comedy subject matter?
David
Albert Einstein: 'The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius
has its limits.'
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:13
pm
Subject: re: inferno part 2
>I'm looking forward to the second part. I was only a 'cannot connect to
server' away from ordering tickets to the June show when I learned through
this list (where else?) that it is going to be Part 1 again<
hmm, as I recall TDI announced that the second part of inferno would
debut/be performed in Atlanta?....
--T
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback
How many people still don't have their copies?
I haven't heard anything yet.... just curious.
Poly
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:14
am
Subject: Okefenokee 2002
Frank,
I'm so glad you called on Friday night at Vic's house. You were definitely
missed and I hope you will be able to attend next year's event.
We went down to Wal-Mart (again!) and I thought of you. I rolled a ton of
videotape of the whole event (13 hours total) so hopefully I can put
together a nice video.
Kindest regards, and if you want to check out the website in-progress
(please don't announce it yet), check out:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/
I only have a couple pages ready so far.
-Morgan
From:
'Miles Holman'
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Tadream/Inferno
I am a new customer to this group and think it's a rather brilliant idea. Hope
to correspond with stax of Tangerine Dream fans in the future.I am from South
Africa where the group is practically unheard of and contact is always valued!
Inferno...well I don't really quite know what to make of this one. I was so
taken by DM3 that this was a bit of a shock.I found it rather disappointing at
first gleans. An interesting theme to peruse with great potential but it seems
to fall flat. The sound quality is dodgy and there seems to be a lack of
direction. It does grow on you though. After DM3 and it's driving construction,
I am having difficulty in adapting to a rather 'heavy'motif. It is the first of
the trilogy, so I better start adjusting....'Purgatory' is next I understand. I
do hope there will be a bit more rhythm in the next offering...not to slam it
though, it is a good production.
A response to this would be great.
Keep dreaming!
Mattou1za
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:11
am
Subject: Okefenokee 2002
The mother of all 'sending to the wrong address' incidents.
I really wish we could change the default reply address to the personal
address instead of the list address.
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:29
am
Subject: Ricochet Gathering - Okefenokee 2002 Overview
Well, I guess I'll say a few words about this strange thing that happens
once a year called the 'Ricochet Gathering'. This event is very special and
is celebrated by musicians and fans that are able to travel to an exotic
location and let loose. The term 'musician's workshop' has now been coined
at the Ricochet Gathering. This has been the third successful year and this
event has steadily grown. I am not saying this is a large gathering -
around 27 people this time, but I think this may have been close to the peak
for this location.
I have read Dave Brewer's earlier report and it was quite accurate from a
day to day schedule of what happened. Dave by the way, has been the only
musician that has attended all three events. I have decided not to review
this gathering since I would not offer an accurate perspective since I'm the
organizer and producer of this event. I hope that others that attended will
comment on their experience or at least post some picture on their websites.
Each time, this Gathering takes on a different feel, which is created by the
musicians and fans in attendance. This year we had AirSculpture (Pete and
John) make the flight out from the UK again. These guys are awesome and
just wonderful people to hang around with. We had Dave Brewer and Bill Fox
join us once more from Arizona and Pennsylvania, repsectively. We had a few
last minute cancellations, but at the same time we had a last minute
surprise of having Steve Schroyder (from Tangerine Dream and Ash Ra Tempel
way back when...) and Jens Zygar better know as Star Sounds Orchestra join
us. SSO kind of transformed the event this year with the willingness of the
other musicians. There was a different type of energy that built up and
eventually climaxed in a 'Psychedelic Trance Party' on the grass, in the
picnic area, by the swings.... I cannot describe this experience. Only
Jens is qualified to explain it and you must live it. Next, I cannot
overlook the 5 1/2 hour ambient session that we called 'Planetary Ambiance'
which was a 'out there' experience that transcended planets such as Earth,
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter - all that were tuned to a specific
frequency and astrological time. Different moods occurred during these
different phases of the planets. Some were in tune, some were slightly 'out
of tune'. That's what it was about - going inter-planetary....
We had a fun gift exchange. This year it was over 100 TD and EM releated
items. This party activity took quite some time and we again had fun having
differnet means of possibly gaining another TD rarity. I was disappointed I
didn't win that slightly used vintage TD T-shirt, but you can't have it
all - just enough to keep that warm smile within. So, many painted their own
picture while they were there, for some it was a masterpiece, for others it
was trial and error. But I think we all agreed that we functioned well as a
small community that was forced to live, sleep, cook, party and listen to
each other for four days.... We made it!
There are plans to release music on CD that will document this experience
for those that could not attend.
Also, we will move on in 2003 to the next TD related location:
Mojave Desert, California - starting the first ricochet of the Ricochet
Gathering.
Life has been difficult for many of us in this complicated world - it will
get better.
Look out from some good things to come from these gatherings and Ricochet
Dream Productions. VicRek
From:
'syensen'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 9:05
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback
As far as I know there was only the one show. If there was another
it certainly wasn't advertised! If there were two I would have
attended that one also :-)
Cheers,
Steve - the TD fan who was there!
--- In tadream@y..., olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> 1) Nottingham 76
>
> The first two tracks could easily be officially released as they
are.
> There's only a short 'blurr' at around 22 minutes into Track 1,
otherwise
> superb. Track three doesn't reach the same level of course, but
still it is
> great to have it included. A shame only that it isn't the entire
track.
>
> I can now tell for sure which one of the two recordings I have of
this
> concert, that obviously is another show. Were there more than one
show in
> Nottingham '76?
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 11:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002
>I really wish we could change the default reply address to the personal
>address instead of the list address.
And supposedly you'd like it to change back automatically when you want to
reply to the whole group? ;-)
Well frankly. I guess that it is more common to reply to the group than to
reply to the sender... so it's fine as it it.
John Vertical
_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 12:21
pm
Subject: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002)
John Vertical wrote:
>
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >I really wish we could change the default reply address to the personal
> >address instead of the list address.
>
> And supposedly you'd like it to change back automatically when you want
> to reply to the whole group? ;-)
> Well frankly. I guess that it is more common to reply to the group than
> to reply to the sender... so it's fine as it it.
Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list.
That way:
Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and
Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list.
So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply to
the list'. (...Get it?...)
I wish it was that way on this list too.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback
>How many people still don't have their copies?
teiwaz raises his hand--apparently there were some problems with the SHN
copies from my branch's branch--not sure how far back down the tree that
problem goes.
Last I heard (or bothered to find out) was April 19th--things may have
changed since then, I dunno. I could be impatient but these things take
time.
--T
np Tabla Beat Science finale Stern Grove, SF 2001
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: RE: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback
Hi Guys,
I'm the holdup here. I got the corrected SHNs, but my computer that has the
CD-Burner has a malfunctioning hard-drive. I got a replacement in the mail
yesterday, and I hope to have it up an running this weekend. If not, I may
be able to borrow a burner here at work.
Sorry for the delay guys.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:01 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h...
> Subject: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback
>
>
>
>
> >How many people still don't have their copies?
>
> teiwaz raises his hand--apparently there were some problems
> with the SHN
> copies from my branch's branch--not sure how far back down
> the tree that
> problem goes.
>
> Last I heard (or bothered to find out) was April 19th--things
> may have
> changed since then, I dunno. I could be impatient but these
> things take
> time.
>
> --T
>
> np Tabla Beat Science finale Stern Grove, SF 2001
>
>
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>
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>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:09
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree
To all my leafs, I have disks, Please contact me with valid and or useable
email address so I can respond.
;-)
A much happy camper. I played disk 1 today on the way to work. Most likely
will continue to do the same on the way home.
If anyone out there thinks they are not missing something by not paying a
arm, leg, 1st born or what ever, they do not know what they are missing. If
the rest of the disks are the same or just near, this is a must have
collection. 'I pity the fool'(borrowed) who does not want to have these
disks.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002)
In a message dated 5/9/02 8:25:41 AM, filipak@m... writes:
>Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list.
>That way:
>
>Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and
>Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list.
>
>So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply
>to
>the list'. (...Get it?...)
Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message you are
replying to will get two copies of the reply. And then if that person then
wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make sure to reply to
the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. That strikes me as a bit
silly. Especially since there are enough duplicate posts already, between
tadream, tangerinedream and goblinsclub.
--Daniel
NP: Icon of Coil - The Soul Is in the Software
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:51
pm
Subject: Re: Email addresses
quarlie@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/9/02 8:25:41 AM, filipak@m... writes:
>
> >Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list.
> >That way:
> >
> >Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and
> >Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list.
> >
> >So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply
> >to
> >the list'. (...Get it?...)
>
> Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message
> you are replying to will get two copies of the reply. ...
Yes, and it's easy to delete one because they come in with the same date
and time, together.
> ... And then if that
> person then wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make
> sure to reply to the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. ...
No. You can reply to either one. And in your reply to either one, if you
'reply' it is personal and if you 'reply all' it goes to the list too. You
see, that's because the list is 'CC' in both copies.
> ... That strikes me as a bit silly. Especially since there are enough
> duplicate posts already, between tadream, tangerinedream and
> goblinsclub.
There would not be any additional posts -- provided of course, that you
don't reply to *both* copies. 8^) You have to experience it. It works,
believe me.
For example, Daniel, look at how I've done this reply.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:48
pm
Subject: Mark Filipak change of address
Hi All!
Please note my new address:
filipak @ rmincubator . org
and change your address books.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Mark Filipak correct address
I'm sorry. I'm really tired.
Please note my new address:
filipak @ mrincubator . org
^^
(Note 'mr...' not 'rm...')
Ciao -- Mark
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Email addresses
In a message dated 5/9/02 1:55:56 PM, filipak@m... writes:
>> Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message
>> you are replying to will get two copies of the reply. ...
>
>Yes, and it's easy to delete one because they come in with the same date
>and time, together.
In my experience Yahoo just isn't that timely, but I suppose it wouldn't be
much of a problem with a different list system.
>> ... And then if that
>> person then wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make
>> sure to reply to the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. ...
>
>No. You can reply to either one. And in your reply to either one, if you
>'reply' it is personal and if you 'reply all' it goes to the list too.
>You see, that's because the list is 'CC' in both copies.
That's right, of course. My mistake.
--Daniel
NP: Astralasia - The Space Between
From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: DTS and Im Memoriam
Hello All,
Please do not think me dense or thick or anything. I am not computer savvy.
Um......what does DTS mean, and why do I only hear static when I try to
listen to the Im Memoriam track on the DWT II set on my portable CD player?
Thanks
Neal
PS - OUTSTANDING music, BTW!!!
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:06
am
Subject: DTS
>Neal Frost said:
>
>Um......what does DTS mean, and why do I only hear static when I try to
>listen to the Im Memoriam track on the DWT II set on my portable CD player?
DTS is Digital Theater Sound.
It is a 6 channel sound format which has to be decoded on a DTS-capable
receiver and played back on 6 speakers.
Your CD player has absolutely no idea what to do with this 6 channel track.
I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you could
download a stereo version of this track.
-Morgan
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:11
am
Subject: AW: [tadream] DTS and Im Memoriam
Hi,
DTS is a multichannel audio compression technique mostly used in films or on
DVDs in addition to Dolby AC3.
See http://www.dtsonline.com/.
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2002 05:19
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com; tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] DTS and Im Memoriam
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Please do not think me dense or thick or anything. I am not
> computer savvy.
>
> Um......what does DTS mean, and why do I only hear static
> when I try to
> listen to the Im Memoriam track on the DWT II set on my
> portable CD player?
>
> Thanks
> Neal
>
> PS - OUTSTANDING music, BTW!!!
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 5:48
am
Subject: Weekly Chats
Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly
Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window
is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning.
Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics
and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our
favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae.
Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and
Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of
us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when
the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has
really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4
people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very
free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and
hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my
help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it.
Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a
downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away.
Windows users, you can get this here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your
hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now
that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon
named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If
not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working.
Mac users,
Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here:
http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three
exact instructions:
/nick tadreamfan2
/server irc.sorcery.net 9000
/join #tadream
You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing
/join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
Mac/Windows:
On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there
are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We
might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
Hope to see you in the chat!
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Rockoon Volt Records
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From:
'syensen'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 9:40
am
Subject: Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002)
Don't forget the 4th TD list - artofvision!
Cheers,
Steve.
--- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/9/02 8:25:41 AM, filipak@m... writes:
>
> >Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the
list.
> >That way:
> >
> >Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and
> >Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list.
> >
> >So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively
becomes 'reply
> >to
> >the list'. (...Get it?...)
>
> Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose
message you are
> replying to will get two copies of the reply. And then if that
person then
> wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make sure to
reply to
> the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. That strikes me
as a bit
> silly. Especially since there are enough duplicate posts already,
between
> tadream, tangerinedream and goblinsclub.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Icon of Coil - The Soul Is in the Software
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:26
am
Subject: irc
folks,
can I ask what server and channel you meet on irc? I've finally
got xchat working on my machine.
thanks, and sorry if that has been discussed before
armin
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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SUN Microsystems Ireland
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DTS
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you could
> download a stereo version of this track.
It's still there:
http://olyam.free.fr/sons/im_memoriam(darklion-olyam).zip
Antonio
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Re: irc
It's the #tadream at Sorcery.net ; the server I always use is
kechara.sorcery.net, port 7000.
Armin 'Scale' Theissen wrote:
> can I ask what server and channel you meet on irc? I've finally
> got xchat working on my machine.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
Hi,
when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this
mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic...
anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat
I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers*
b/c they're my job :-(
I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone?
What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a
computer....)
armin
>
> Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly
> Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window
> is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning.
>
> Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics
> and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our
> favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae.
>
> Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and
> Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of
> us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when
> the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has
> really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4
> people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very
> free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and
> hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my
> help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it.
>
> Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a
> downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
> automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right
away.
>
> Windows users, you can get this here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
>
> Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your
> hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
> you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now
> that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon
> named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If
> not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working.
>
>
> Mac users,
>
> Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found
here:
> http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
>
> Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three
> exact instructions:
>
> /nick tadreamfan2
> /server irc.sorcery.net 9000
> /join #tadream
>
> You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing
> /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
>
>
> Mac/Windows:
>
> On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
> up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there
> are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We
> might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
>
>
> Hope to see you in the chat!
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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SUN Microsystems Ireland
'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:54
am
Subject: If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'...
...do you think it would sound like this? :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=869304066
Heiko
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From:
'olovur2'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:58
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback
Hi John,
> >5) Fassbinder Memorial
> ---
> >The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all.
> Some contradiction here? ;-)
What I meant to say is that it sounds almost as if it was a studio-
recording.
> >7) Croydon 75
> >So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert?
> >--this could have been an official release.
>
> Another contradiction?
Well at least it seems kind of funny when I read it again. To
clarify; I was merely referring to the quality of the recording. It
is so good that it could be taken for an official recording.
Apart from that I agree with you in that Ricochet, in terms of
musical content, is better.
/Olle
From:
'olovur2'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 12:06
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback
> Huh? Isn't 'Monolith' a made-up name?
>
> Aren't 'Drywater Rush', 'Rain in Spain', and 'Octagon' also made-up
names?
>
> Let me know, quickly please -- Mark
As far as I know these are all made-up names. Don't know by whom
though.
I believe that in 1977 the tracks played live still didn't have names
(if they weren't released like on Encore).
/Olle
From:
atye@a...
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 12:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'...
PLUS....he has it listed in the 'Jazz' category...must be a Tower Records
employee
;-)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 1:10
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
I would guess starting -5 or -6 GMT
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Armin Theissen Armin.Theissen@s...
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:18:40 +0100 (BST)
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
Hi,
when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this
mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic...
anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat
I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers*
b/c they're my job :-(
I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone?
What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a
computer....)
armin
>
> Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly
> Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window
> is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning.
>
> Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics
> and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our
> favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae.
>
> Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and
> Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of
> us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when
> the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has
> really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4
> people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very
> free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and
> hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my
> help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it.
>
> Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a
> downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
> automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right
away.
>
> Windows users, you can get this here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
>
> Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your
> hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if
> you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now
> that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon
> named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If
> not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working.
>
>
> Mac users,
>
> Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found
here:
> http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
>
> Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three
> exact instructions:
>
> /nick tadreamfan2
> /server irc.sorcery.net 9000
> /join #tadream
>
> You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing
> /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
>
>
> Mac/Windows:
>
> On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
> up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there
> are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We
> might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
>
>
> Hope to see you in the chat!
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers*
> b/c they're my job :-(
Trust me, I feel the same way. However, for the past 24+ years they have
been a part of my life. Just call me a Borg. I share with you that some
weekends I make a point not to try to touch anything that has a chip in it.
So far I have not made that a 100% reality.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
>
> Hi,
>
> when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this
> mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic...
>
> anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat
> I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers*
> b/c they're my job :-(
>
> I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone?
> What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a
> computer....)
>
> armin
>
> >
> > Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the
weekly
> > Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large
window
> > is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning.
> >
> > Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD
fanatics
> > and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our
> > favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue
minutiae.
> >
> > Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday
and
> > Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one
of
> > us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and
when
> > the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has
> > really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always
3-4
> > people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very
> > free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and
> > hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my
> > help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it.
> >
> > Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a
> > downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to
> > automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion
right
> away.
> >
> > Windows users, you can get this here:
> > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
> >
> > Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on
your
> > hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else
if
> > you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember.
Now
> > that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon
> > named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If
> > not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things
working.
> >
> >
> > Mac users,
> >
> > Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be
found
> here:
> > http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml
> >
> > Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three
> > exact instructions:
> >
> > /nick tadreamfan2
> > /server irc.sorcery.net 9000
> > /join #tadream
> >
> > You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If
typing
> > /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again.
> >
> >
> > Mac/Windows:
> >
> > On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop
> > up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then
there
> > are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond.
We
> > might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat.
> >
> >
> > Hope to see you in the chat!
> >
> > -Morgan
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:22
pm
Subject: Re: DTS
You can still download the non-DTS version of this song from:
http://olyam.free.fr/sommaire_music.htm
It's in mp3 format (160 kbps). You can convert it to wave format and
burn it onto a CD. I created another version of Disc 2 of DWT II
with this non-DTS version since I don't have any equipment with a DTS
decoder.
BTW, it's a great track and well worth the trouble of downloading.
Rich Maggio
>
> I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you
could
> download a stereo version of this track.
>
> -Morgan
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DTS
Amazing how this seems to surface. I asked the same last week. Now I know. I
did not follow the list closely for a few months past when this was talked
about too. Just happens sometimes that I got other stuff in the way for me
to sit and read. Thankfully Joe has this on a system that I can go back and
search, read, gather. Just the time to do that sometimes...
Anyway, yes download this, burn this, you will like it. It is worth the
extra time to do so.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'maggior'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: DTS
> You can still download the non-DTS version of this song from:
>
> http://olyam.free.fr/sommaire_music.htm
>
> It's in mp3 format (160 kbps). You can convert it to wave format and
> burn it onto a CD. I created another version of Disc 2 of DWT II
> with this non-DTS version since I don't have any equipment with a DTS
> decoder.
>
> BTW, it's a great track and well worth the trouble of downloading.
>
> Rich Maggio
>
> >
> > I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you
> could
> > download a stereo version of this track.
> >
> > -Morgan
>
>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: Soundscapes #2
The Ministry of Inside Things will perform their special brand of spacemusic at
the second installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series. The concert will take
place at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island, Saturday, June 22, at
8:00 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm for a free buffet dinner provided by Chef Jeff.
Those who attended Soundscapes #1 will recall a memorable evening of great music
and food. Soundscapes #2 promises to be just as enjoyable, as well as being the
only source of live spacemusic in the Lehigh Valley. Admission at the door will
be $15. Full time Students with valid ID and members of WDIY and WMUH will
receive a $5 discount. Advance tickets will be $10 (no discounts), availability
to be announced.
The Ministry Of Inside Things consists of electric guitarist Art Cohen and
synthesist Chuck van Zyl. Considered among the most innovative of electronic
musicians in the U.S. today, the members of MoIT are influenced by the early
music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel. Their spacemusic
has been described as linear because it leads the listener across many sonic
terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry Of Inside Things creates
electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, often for two hours at a
stretch. Through the use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony,
rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic
excursion.
Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music and performing in public for
over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best
known for hosting one of the country's most successful radio shows of electronic
music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Van Zyl has released two CDs of
spacemusic on the Centaur label, Celestial Mechanics and The Relic. The Sound
Museum with Peter Gulch and D. Andrew Rath was released on the Groove label in
2001. A collaborative effort with Peter Gulch, Regeneration Mode, was released
on their own Synkronos label.
Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and
in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the
space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create
soundworlds of immense depth and beauty.
The Ministry Of Inside Things has performed at Art & Technology, The
Philadelphia Museum of Art, First Night Wilmington, the Wild Talents opening
reception at the ICA, Gate To Moon Base Alpha, the Boyertown Planetarium,
Gathering Concert Series, on the 01.28.01 broadcast of STAR'S END, and on the
07.12.01 broadcast of EMUSIC.
Soundscapes #2 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music.
Bill
billfox@f...
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: Chat
>>Armin Theissen said:
>>I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers*
>>b/c they're my job :-(
>
>Dale said:
>Trust me, I feel the same way. However, for the past 24+ years they have
>been a part of my life. Just call me a Borg. I share with you that some
>weekends I make a point not to try to touch anything that has a chip in it.
>So far I have not made that a 100% reality.
Go to the next Ricochet Gathering. Problem solved. :)
>Armin Theissen asked:
>I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone?
>What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a
>computer....)
That's Central US time. So it would be 11pm to 6am GMT.
We already have 2-3 people in the chat right now.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:03
pm
Subject: John Vertical
John Vertical said:
> 5) Fassbinder Memorial
> ---
> The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all.
> 7) Croydon 75
> So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert?
> --this could have been an official release.
Can't say as I've ever heard anyone complain about how GOOD a bootleg
sounds. :)
Well, to me, with Fassbinder, I can hear every cough and sneeze and I think
everyone had the flu that day or maybe the walls just echoed everything. As
for Croydon, it's interesting to hear one of the sources for the Ricochet
release. Honestly, I don't listen to it much, preferring the 76 and later
concerts.
Some people love concerts, some people don't.
-Morgan
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Who, me?
>John Vertical said:
No I didn't... that was just something I quoted from Olle R.
I can put in my own comments about these if you want.
Vol.1: The best of the bunch. Very strong in both melody&rhytm. Scale Deluxe
(Part 1) gets very haunting at cc. 23 minutes. Highlight #2 would be the
keyboard solo of Indolent Annihilation. (Part 3)
Vol.2: Interesting, but only as background music. Non-sequence teaser...
Vol.3: Blah.
Vol.4: 2nd trophy. Great guitar solos in Monolith and Octagon II; Drywater
Rush is a distilled beauty; and Rain In Spain is just hilarious at the
beginning.
Vol.5: Intro, Logos/Poland bridge and outro are good, very 80ish
atmospheres. But the bulk of Logos and Poland are somehow overdone...
Vol.6: Flute solo in Part 1 (Live Grove as I'd like to have it named) is
great, but I don't care about the rest. On the other hand, I haven't
listened to them much...
Vol.7: Geeeez, this stuff is psychotic! Part 1 is excellent non-melody while
Part 2 is over-bass-ed. Part 3 is less original than the main sets, but
still weird enough to drive an ordinary person mad...
Vol.8: I actually like Soundmill Navigator better, I have no vintage
obsession.
John Vertical
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 9:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of Aqua...
hee hee hee hee
Original Message:
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From: Heiko Heerssen heiko.heerssen@h...
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:54:58 +0200
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'...
..do you think it would sound like this? :-)
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Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of Aqua...
I think he described the music perfectly. I like the 'freaky german dude'
phrase. :-)
>From:
> hee hee hee hee
>
> From: Heiko Heerssen heiko.heerssen@h...
> Subject: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'...
> ..do you think it would sound like this? :-)
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=869304066
>
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
Depending on daylight savings, European times are about 5-6 hours ahead of
us in the States, so my 6pm would be your 11-midnight. Not too late if you
don't have to go to work the next day. I hope you will join us one of these
weekends because I can guarantee you will have such a nice time that you'll
be back again and again. Plus the chat seems to be picking up steam on other
nights as well, like Thursday or Tuesday with a couple of people jumping in
to check the activity. Oh, and if I should ask you one single computer
question, you can tell me to go sit in the corner. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>From: Armin Theissen
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
>Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:18:40 +0100 (BST)
>
>
>Hi,
>
>when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this
>mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic...
>
>anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat
>I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers*
>b/c they're my job :-(
>
>I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone?
>What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a
>computer....)
>
>armin
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:46
am
Subject: DW III
Hey, so what is the dead line? What is happening? Who is going to create the
Master Piece art work? Double or single? Why not a triple? Who is game or
should I say 'Is the game afoot?'
Let's keep this rolling.
;-(
dale
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:46
am
Subject: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
Hi Y'all!
I'm sitting here designing logos for a client and I'm listening to 'The
Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' -- Warsaw, 31 Aug 2001.
And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or
what?'
Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is an outrageous thing
to ask considering how many truely great shows TD has presented, but I
have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' just may get my vote
as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL TIME!!
(...Certain 'tree dwellers' are in for a real treat...)
Ciao -- Mark
--
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
rr rrrrrrrrr rrr
they be a lurking in the back
rrrr.rrrrr r r r r rr
.-) thats me good eye
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'tadream'
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
> Hi Y'all!
>
> I'm sitting here designing logos for a client and I'm listening to 'The
> Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' -- Warsaw, 31 Aug 2001.
>
> And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or
> what?'
>
> Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is an outrageous thing
> to ask considering how many truely great shows TD has presented, but I
> have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' just may get my vote
> as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL TIME!!
>
> (...Certain 'tree dwellers' are in for a real treat...)
>
> Ciao -- Mark
> --
> See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/
> See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/
> Last updated: 14 April 2002
> Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan?
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 5:02
am
Subject: Wondering why I an wondering about DWIII?
Last Wednesday I put the down payment on the A5000. The 20th I pick it up,
zip, hd drive and all. I am searching around now for Mellotron samples. I
wonder if you can guess what I am up too?
Maybe later this summer is life is good, the a Karma finds it way to my
little shop of sound horrors.
;-) that be both of me good eyes.... rrrrr r r r rrrr
Dale
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 10:52
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
>
> And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or
> what?'
Yesss, I think so... And we (the Polish) love Edgar ;-)
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:10
am
Subject: Some tree reviews
Greetings
I also decided to say a word on the subject...
So, the best of this selection is: Nottingham, 76.
Unusually, lots of wonderful piano. One of the few
boots
which reaches level of an official studio release;
first
track, at least.
Great thing is that almost all this music I've never
heared before... Is it improvised?
Fassbinder Memorial, 83.
The best part of Logos&The best part of Poland, but
anyway - nothing new here.
What does it mean, Fassbinder Memorial, BTW?
The concert was played near Fassbinder's
memorial (statue)? Or it was played in memory of
Fassbinder? And who is Fassbinder?
Sheffield, 74.
Deepest darkness :)) I like the style, but it
certainly requires
a special mood. Reminds of Phaedra at the end.
Washington, 77.
Can't say I like this one... What's funny here, IMO,
is that
the words are exactly which appear at the beginning of
Encore: 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke,
all well-known as Tangerine Dream'. At least they
sound like
that.
Then, the music is just Encore, slightly changed, but
not better,
and the other material... Doesn't impress me.
ArtOfVision
P.S. Why does every concert contain someone coughing ?
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:11
am
Subject: Bernau, 2001, Q&R
I apologise, if it was already discussed...
Does the Bernau, 2001 concert somehow differ from
official Inferno release? Who is the author of the
lyrics,
and maybe their contents (at least the english part)
are available? Or they are part of the Divine
Comedy's original text?
The music.
The album to compare with here is, of cause, Tyger.
I suppose, TD has already developed a standard set
of tricks for their vocal albums... soft female
voices,
sudden change of intonations, vocal parts alternate
with instrumental. Both albums have it, also Inferno
is more repetitive and predictable. Of cause, it
has some nice passages, but all in all - it becomes
boring after being listened two or three times !!
Anyway, it's a pity TD are going to do another two
parts.
I'me quite sure they will be just like this one. And
it
lowers chances of us ever hearing a new classic TD
album...
ArtOfVision
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:12
am
Subject: Airsculpture - Thunderhead, RMI - Republic, Arcane - Gather Darkness
This are the albums I've got recently.
Thunderhead: It reminds me of windy heights of
Russian northern mountains (don't know the english
title),
where I twice went on a hike. It's a cold, rocky
place, with
small glaciers and large, clear-water lakes :-
Pogofish track is very funny, and the worst is
PolarVoid...
Republic: first&second tracks - medicore, but the
last,
title-track, just brilliant! Also I would call it
'Empire', not
'Republic' :) Maybe both titles are suitable, cause
the
sound of this composiotion... reminds of the ancient
Rome,
a bit.
Gather Darkness: nice, but very close to TD: first
track is like
Logos, second and third - Encore, and the ending of
Requiem is almost Remote Viewing ! Anyway, Dystopian
Fictions is the best and then the album gets worse and
worse
to the end.
Still, the best Non-TD album I've heared remains
The Demon Haunted World, by Under The Dome.
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From:
chris towers
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
Im lucky enough to have the 'Rock forr Peace' on 3
CDRs. Apart from the very long quiet spell at the
beginning before the show starts, am i to take it that
the Tree version is going to be better or ????????
Chris
--- Mark Filipak wrote:
> Hi Y'all!
>
> I'm sitting here designing logos for a client and
> I'm listening to 'The
> Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' -- Warsaw, 31 Aug
> 2001.
>
> And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he
> just love Poland, or
> what?'
>
> Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is
> an outrageous thing
> to ask considering how many truely great shows TD
> has presented, but I
> have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace'
> just may get my vote
> as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL
> TIME!!
>
> (...Certain 'tree dwellers' are in for a real
> treat...)
>
> Ciao -- Mark
> --
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From:
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 12:10
pm
Subject: THE KEEP CD Mystery !!!
Hello all,
at this moment I found many THE KEEP CD on ebay! Why?
Have all these people enough from this Soundtrack or only two CD`s from the
Soundtrack?
Another Mystery is: for a long time it was very hard to find the THE KEEP
Soundtrack of the Orange Records Label (Bootleg version).
In the last month more than 4 CD`s from the Orange Label was on auction on ebay
or on other places.
Is the CD rereleased on the Bootleg Market or ???
If you have an answer of this question, please write it on the mailing list.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
heiko
www.opticaldream.de
(Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage)
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de
Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de -
http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 2:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats
DellMilesGull said:
>(...) Plus the chat seems to be picking up steam on other nights as well, like
Thursday or Tuesday with a couple of people jumping in to check the
activity.(...)
I've even been connecting almost every night, this last week, while having
dinner when I get home from uniersity...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: Dream sequence - Salvador Dali
Hi all
I have just been watching the classic Alfred Hitchcock movie 'Spellbound'.
In the credits at the start of the movie it says 'Dream sequence based on
designs by Salvador Dali'. When thinking of Edgar Froeses fascination of
Salvador Dali's work, could it then be logical to assume that this is the
reason for TD's album 'Dream Sequence' and that the coverdesigns is displaying
a mind???????.
Does anyone have any confirmation of this through an interview, statement
or is this just in my imagination????
Regards
Jan
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Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream sequence - Salvador Dali
In a message dated 5/11/02 12:15:04 PM, pergamon@g... writes:
>I have just been watching the classic Alfred Hitchcock movie 'Spellbound'.
>In the credits at the start of the movie it says 'Dream sequence based
>on designs by Salvador Dali'. When thinking of Edgar Froeses fascination
>of Salvador Dali's work, could it then be logical to assume that this is
>the reason for TD's album 'Dream Sequence' and that the coverdesigns is
>displaying a mind???????.
FYI, I believe today is Dali's birthday. Get out your sleep fuses.
--Daniel
NP: Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
There are also 2CDR and 4CDR sets.
The first one is a desk recording, the second one is an audience DAT
recording with additional sound recording of the press conference a day
before and the pre-concert music taken from the pressed CD.
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> Im lucky enough to have the 'Rock forr Peace' on 3
> CDRs. Apart from the very long quiet spell at the
> beginning before the show starts, am i to take it that
> the Tree version is going to be better or ????????
> Chris
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 7:06
pm
Subject: INFERNO II and III?
On Sat, 11 May 2002 04:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Art Of Vision
writes:
[Re INFERNO:]
>Anyway, it's a pity TD are going to do another two parts.
>I'm quite sure they will be just like this one. And it
>lowers chances of us ever hearing a new classic TD album...
Maybe we'll get lucky and INFERNO II and III will go
the route of JIM AND PABLO II-VIII. ;)
>ArtOfVision
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: Most Beautiful...
>Mark Filipak said:
>Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is an outrageous thing
>to ask considering how many truely great shows TD has presented, but I
>have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' just may get my vote
>as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL TIME!!
It might be the greatest DAT ever mimed to. :rolleyes:
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 8:30
pm
Subject: Tree
>Art of Vision said:
>
>Fassbinder Memorial, 83.
>The best part of Logos&The best part of Poland, but
>anyway - nothing new here.
>What does it mean, Fassbinder Memorial, BTW?
>The concert was played near Fassbinder's
>memorial (statue)? Or it was played in memory of
>Fassbinder? And who is Fassbinder?
This was the memorial concert for Fassbinder, an esoteric German director
for whom TD did several soundtracks.
>Washington, 77.
>Can't say I like this one... What's funny here, IMO,
>is that
>the words are exactly which appear at the beginning of
>Encore: 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke,
>all well-known as Tangerine Dream'. At least they
>sound like
>that.
>
>Then, the music is just Encore, slightly changed, but
>not better,
>and the other material... Doesn't impress me.
Slightly changed?
Turn up your hearing aid.
While the voiceover beginning by Professor Motta and about 50% of Cherokee
Lane and 50% of Monolight as performed as the April 4 77 show (Washington,
DC Lisner Auditorium at George Washington, University) appear on Encore,
there is an ~hour of unreleased improvised music here. Encore is a
combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff borrowed from
the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack.
-Morgan
Some people love TD concerts. It's the other people I don't associate with. :)
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 8:33
pm
Subject: Tree #2
>I apologise, if it was already discussed...
>Does the Bernau, 2001 concert somehow differ from
>official Inferno release? Who is the author of the
Edgar rebalanced the audio (some say to its detriment) and cut and pasted
applause in various places where there was not applause. Very awkward to
people who attended the show.
>lyrics,
>and maybe their contents (at least the english part)
>are available? Or they are part of the Divine
>Comedy's original text?
>
>The music.
>The album to compare with here is, of cause, Tyger.
>I suppose, TD has already developed a standard set
>of tricks for their vocal albums... soft female
>voices,
Not really. Tyger was William Blake poems being sung on top of the typical
TD sound in 87, which was pretty good stuff. Alchemy of the Heart is great
and I don't mind the title track Tyger (the '87 version).
Inferno is a 1 person opera plus Edgar and Jerome playing orchestra, hardly
EM music.
-Morgan
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:57
pm
Subject: Ambient Monkeys
Hey,
I bought Ambient Monkeys at a record fair today. Havent played it yet but
the liner notes say it's a pre-concert 'warm up' material from one of their
tours.
Is that the story behind this release?
Glenn
From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 2:48
am
Subject: Re: tree #2
>>I suppose, TD has already developed a standard set
>>of tricks for their vocal albums... soft female
>>voices,
>Not really.
Compare the vocals, not the music itself.
>Tyger was William Blake poems being sung on
>top of the typical TD sound in 87, which was pretty
>good stuff. Alchemy of the Heart is great
>and I don't mind the title track Tyger (the '87
>version).
And I enjoy both 21st CCM a lot. But some Inferno'
instrumental parts are very good too, the problem
is they are so short... Actually, it's only
partly tracks 3&6 of the tree edition. Last one 's
just great (in the beginning), don't you find it?
Everething after the 6th track is boring and
monotonous. I heared the whole piece only
once, hoping they show something at the end...
disappointment...
>Inferno is a 1 person opera plus Edgar and
>Jerome playing orchestra, hardly EM music.
Who is singing, BTW?
ArtOfVision
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 4:01
am
Subject: Ricochet Gathering - Oke T-Shirts
Pardon the advert here.
I have only 5 Ricochet Gathering T-shirts left out of an original batch of
72. No more of these will be made.
Here is your only chance to get this nice ash color shirt with a logo
similar to the Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD.
The shirt is $10 + postage. I have left: 1 Medium, 2 Large, 2 X Large
First come, first served.
Vic
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:48
am
Subject: [tadream] Rockoon Volt Records
Hi all,
Paid a visit to my homeland yesterday (England) and found a copy of the
Rockoon CD, Volt records VR5020 with sky blue cover, completely mint and
still in the original shrink wrap.
Wanted to know if there was anyone who needed this item for their collection
before I put it up on e-bay.
Paul
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys
Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a record fair today. Havent
played it yet but the liner notes say it's a pre-concert 'warm up' material
from one of their tours. Is that the story behind this release?
Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at Bristol on their last UK
tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was already playing. You
could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at the show as was Dream
Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes. Guess I bought the wrong
one, huh?
Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing tracks woven together with
rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work.
David
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: THE KEEP CD Mystery !!!
>Another Mystery is: for a long time it was very hard to find the THE
>KEEP Soundtrack of the Orange Records Label (Bootleg version).
>In the last month more than 4 CD`s from the Orange Label was on
auction >on ebay or on other places.
>Is the CD rereleased on the Bootleg Market or ???
Heiko,
I already wrote this on the list (and in my article, hint, hint!)
'Only very few copies of this CD have been spotted so far, the claimed
Romanian origin is, as every so often, fertilizer. Their making
is suspiciously similar to Phaedream, and most probably the first copies
are released in a slow trickle only to reap in extremely high prices in
auctions.'
At one of the 'usual places', you can now buy this CD for Euro 18.- (and
Phaedream for 8.-), no problems with supply, so I guess I was correct in
my assumptions.
Those who pay horrendous sums for this item on ebay seriously need their
heads examined. I will do this for a nice fee ;-)
I guess Martin is on holiday, or otherwise busy, as he used to quench
bootleg auctions on ebay quickly.
regards
klaus
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore
> >Then, the music is just Encore, slightly changed, but
> >not better,
> >and the other material... Doesn't impress me.
>
>Slightly changed?
>
>Turn up your hearing aid.
>
>While the voiceover beginning by Professor Motta and about 50% of Cherokee
>Lane and 50% of Monolight as performed as the April 4 77 show (Washington,
>DC Lisner Auditorium at George Washington, University) appear on Encore,
>there is an ~hour of unreleased improvised music here. Encore is a
>combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff borrowed from
>the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack.
>
>-Morgan
Erm. I don't think you really can call Encore a studio _creation_. Monolight
is almost identical (at least 90%) to 4.4.77. Cherokee Lane has lots of
common live themes, and Coldwater Canyon does indeed sound like that it
could've been live at least to some portion.
I bet that there are other live resources too, but they are not necessarily
on any known fantape.
John Vertical
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore
In a message dated 5/12/2002 8:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> . Encore is a
> >combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff borrowed from
> >the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack.
> >
> >-Morgan
>
>
> Erm. I don't think you really can call Encore a studio _creation_.
*He didn't, he said parts of it were, which is correct....Cherokee Lane is
known to be a studio piece. I suspect that there was some of the same
splicing techniques they used on Ricochet where small bits from several shows
were linked together.
Encore for me will always be one of the greats... I remember getting it when
it first came out and being blown away by it's sheer immensity and journeying
qualities.
Poly
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
I had been wondering if the pre-concert music was another Ambient Monkeys
type of thing...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:Jerry@t...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
>
>
> There are also 2CDR and 4CDR sets.
> The first one is a desk recording, the second one is an audience DAT
> recording with additional sound recording of the press conference a day
> before and the pre-concert music taken from the pressed CD.
>
> Jarek 'Jerry'
> mailto:jerry@t...
> Visit my website at:
> http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
>
>
>
> > Im lucky enough to have the 'Rock forr Peace' on 3
> > CDRs. Apart from the very long quiet spell at the
> > beginning before the show starts, am i to take it that
> > the Tree version is going to be better or ????????
> > Chris
>
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 2:59
pm
Subject: Encore
It's always interesting when someone says 'Oh, it is a live version, it's
probably just taped at a show for which there is no bootleg.'
It's pretty hard to combat that one except to say that Coldwater Canyon
must've been from one hell of a show for which we have no bootleg for.
And Desert Dream is totally uncharacteristic of concerts they played in
1977. And the fact is, quite a few of the passages in it have been lifted
directly from their 1974.08.18 Chichester, England (Oedipus Tyrannus) concert.
I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message.
Cherokee Lane and Monolight on Encore fairly closely match the 4.4.77 show
for minutes at a time. I've done side-by-side comparisons and then checked,
say, the Montreal 10.4.77 show. But I would not pin the percentage at 90%.
-Morgan
P.S. Don't be fooled by pasted applause. The applause on Sohoman, Soundmill
Navigator, Inferno, the Dominion encore on Logos, etc. etc. (not to mention
Livemiles) are all great works of fiction.
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore
'..are all great works of fiction.'
I think you summed it up.
A few thoughts. When it is played, does it make it live? If the CD was
played in the area given for the concert, would that make it more real? What
number of listeners does it take to make a concert?
Just some crazy thoughts.
rrrr rrrrrrrrrrr
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: [tadream] Encore
> It's always interesting when someone says 'Oh, it is a live version, it's
> probably just taped at a show for which there is no bootleg.'
>
> It's pretty hard to combat that one except to say that Coldwater Canyon
> must've been from one hell of a show for which we have no bootleg for.
>
> And Desert Dream is totally uncharacteristic of concerts they played in
> 1977. And the fact is, quite a few of the passages in it have been lifted
> directly from their 1974.08.18 Chichester, England (Oedipus Tyrannus)
concert.
>
> I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message.
>
> Cherokee Lane and Monolight on Encore fairly closely match the 4.4.77 show
> for minutes at a time. I've done side-by-side comparisons and then
checked,
> say, the Montreal 10.4.77 show. But I would not pin the percentage at 90%.
>
> -Morgan
>
> P.S. Don't be fooled by pasted applause. The applause on Sohoman,
Soundmill
> Navigator, Inferno, the Dominion encore on Logos, etc. etc. (not to
mention
> Livemiles) are all great works of fiction.
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
> I had been wondering if the pre-concert music was another
> Ambient Monkeys
> type of thing...
This is not a TD music. It contains some natural ambient sounds with
non-rhythmic background music. I don't know the performer. The disc was
attached to the polish newspaper just as advertising.
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 5:46
pm
Subject: Inferno
I guess that when the final part of the trilogy is released we will be offered
a boxed set or some other special.
David
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore
In a message dated 5/12/2002 10:03:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
feldon@f... writes:
> I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message.
>
Yeah I did, thanks.
Poly
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 7:32
pm
Subject: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
Ok
I don't see much action happening with DWTIII. Are we all too busy to begin
this?
Here is a outline
Interested parties
1. Need volunteers who will become Branches.
2. Need those who wish to be receivers (leafs)
Who will be on this set?
1. Need those who wish to apply to get their music on it.
2. Need those who can help coordinate it.
3. How many disks? I would like to see it expanded from two to three!
What is the theme?
Let begin sorting this out.
Who has finial say?
Let get this worked out.
Who is going to do the art work?
Hey with all the great covers I seen, I would find it very hard to believe we
will have a problem getting art work.
Copywrites? Let keep this legit!
Who is going to Master it? I bet one of our great studio/professional engineers
with us can help make this happen.
What else did I leave out? Well let get the ball rolling and figure it out now.
DEAD LINE
AUGUST 2002 to start off with.
Email off post if you wish to flame me. If you got something to offer in the
way to get this rolling, by all means mail me.
I am counting on Joe to help with the database online. (hehehe I didn't tell
you that did I?)
Alright, I hit the ball. Who is going to return it?
Dale
Don't tell me I am crazy. I know this. .-) thats me good eye... rrrr r r r r
rrr
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: DAT
>Dale said:
>A few thoughts. When it is played, does it make it live? If the CD was
>played in the area given for the concert, would that make it more real? What
>number of listeners does it take to make a concert?
It's not a CD, it's a DAT. :) :)
Really, I don't get bothered by what Edgar releases anymore, as the
fantapes that are being uncovered left and right are simply incredible.
I've heard samples of the next tree and again, we will be getting
incredible stuff. Edgar will have only himself to blame 10 years from now
when he decides 'maybe I should have released boxed sets of these concerts
untouched?'
I also understand the motivations behind various editing of CDs. Logos
would probably have been a longer CD if it had not been cut to fit on
vinyl. The 3rd track of the first set and ultimately the track before
Choronzon would have been nice bonus tracks. I wish Poland had had the live
fall 83 versions of Warsaw in the 'Snow' as I call it but generally, it's a
great document of the various 83 tours.
You know, I had a thought the other day. The 11 minutes of music which
Edgar invented for Soundmill Navigator (first 6 and last 5 minutes). By
itself, it's actually kind of interesting. Better than 7 Letters if you ask me.
-Morgan
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 10:21
pm
Subject: Encore
> I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message.
>
Yeah I did, thanks. This is what happens when you want to reply to something
while the wife is standing in the doorway tapping her watch
Poly
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore
>It's always interesting when someone says 'Oh, it is a live version, it's
>probably just taped at a show for which there is no bootleg.'
>
>It's pretty hard to combat that one except to say that Coldwater Canyon
>must've been from one hell of a show for which we have no bootleg for.
>
>I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message.
I've however spotted some of its guitar themes already from my not-so-great
concert collection; and it does sound like that it could possibly have been
played live somewhere. At least partially...
I guess I need a few more live shows to continue on this subject...
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Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore
Well, here's an alternative stance on this 'Is it Live?' business:
Tangerine Dream's concerts were very different from mainstream
rock/pop concerts ever since the band existed. In the very early years,
concerts were entirely improvised, often with little or no source of
motifs to draw from. Later on, concerts were improvised with some
citations or whole pieces from released material thrown in.
During all this time, releasing a concert uncut and unedited would have
been impossible. In the first case of wholly improvised concerts, to take
such a step would have been meaningless. For each tour, there would
be scores of concerts, many of them very different to each other, and
all of them varying greatly in quality. TD merely took the most sensible
of actions and spliced together the most interesting bits of music in a
recording that managed to capture the highlights of their live work in an
'impressions of the tour' format.
In the second case, releasing a concert uncut and unedited would have
been impossible or at least unwise for other reasons. Rätikon is a great
concert, but identical in many ways to White Eagle, which had not
been released yet. Logos included some great new material, but also
quoted extensively from White Eagle and Exit. By the time of Livemiles,
the band were playing back whole songs, but nevertheless some of
them had been previously unreleased. It might have been feasible to
release these whole concerts (barring copyright issues, which I'm not
too clued up on), but TD judged it more interesting (and rightly so) to
release the new material unadulterated by quotes from already-
released albums, so they continued to produce edited versions and did
a very good job.
Most recently, TD have been giving renditions during their concerts of
their now-extensive back catalogue, with little or no new material being
played. And only in this set-up does it make sense to release an uncut
and unedited 'Live' album in the more traditional sense of being on-
stage versions of familiar material.
In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore,
Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live', whilst
Valentine Wheels and Tournado are? TD were simply using the editing
strategies throughout that were appropriate to their live work at the
time.
Dennis
On 12 May 2002 at 9:45, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/12/2002 8:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
> johnvertical@h... writes:
>
>
> > . Encore is a
> > >combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff
> > >borrowed from the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack.
> > >
> > >-Morgan
> >
> >
> > Erm. I don't think you really can call Encore a studio _creation_.
>
> *He didn't, he said parts of it were, which is correct....Cherokee
> Lane is known to be a studio piece. I suspect that there was some of
> the same splicing techniques they used on Ricochet where small bits
> from several shows were linked together. Encore for me will always be
> one of the greats... I remember getting it when it first came out and
> being blown away by it's sheer immensity and journeying qualities.
> Poly
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 7:15
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree #2
> Inferno is a 1 person opera plus Edgar and Jerome playing orchestra, hardly
> EM music.
>
> -Morgan
i assume you meant this as a metaphor as opposed to be an accurate
description... nothing about inferno is operatic, in the classical sense... if
you want to talk about the more modern operas written by p.glass, then, MAYBE,
if you stttttrrrreeeetccchhhhh, it could be a comparison....
costumes, a greek chorus and synth pads do not an opera make...
i do agree however, that this is hardly em... more like what became terribly
popluar in the late 80's, early 90's with the boom of labels like narada...
only narada did it with acoutic instruments and it sounded real... to me,
inferno, even when i was there listening, sounded a lot like the 'new age'
stuff they were so erroneously catagorized with 10 years ago and before...
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From:
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Date: Mon May 13, 2002 8:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys
Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of that
year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and it
was the same then with the music available on CD (i
got the last one) :-)
Listening to it on its own i find it quite an nice
relaxing album....
Chris
--- fozziebear
wrote:
> Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a
> record fair today. Havent
> played it yet but the liner notes say it's a
> pre-concert 'warm up' material
> from one of their tours. Is that the story behind
> this release?
>
> Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at
> Bristol on their last UK
> tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was
> already playing. You
> could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at
> the show as was Dream
> Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes.
> Guess I bought the wrong
> one, huh?
>
> Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing
> tracks woven together with
> rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon May 13, 2002 8:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Most Beautiful...
I have to be honest and say i didnt attend the 'rock
for peace', i really wish i could have got there, but
as far as ive seen, my trip to Osnabrueck for Mars
Polaris was far the best for me.....
Chris
--- Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Mark Filipak said:
> >Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it
> is an outrageous thing
> >to ask considering how many truely great shows TD
> has presented, but I
> >have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for
> Peace' just may get my vote
> >as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL
> TIME!!
>
> It might be the greatest DAT ever mimed to.
> :rolleyes:
>
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 9:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys
In a message dated 13/05/02 09:34:43 GMT Daylight Time,
cjt999fire2000@y... writes:
> Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of that
> year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and it
> was the same then with the music available on CD
It was used on the whole of that tour. I saw them in Manchester and bought
the C.D in the interval before Tangerine Dream came on.
I love it to chill out to but I know there are many that can't stand it.
Derek
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been the
man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting everyone
together to do their parts...
i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far as the
name and theme would be great...
concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out if
there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that there
wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken...
in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one
track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and Olyam,
one solo piece and two collaborations...
i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has been
great and think it would be cool to see what else is available...
$.02 lighter
jerome
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chris towers
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys
Yeah i agree. I cant say its something you can rave
about to other TD fans or maybe to introduce someone
to TD but certainly a chill out experience for me....
Chris
--- GKNARFAPPAZ@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 13/05/02 09:34:43 GMT Daylight
> Time,
> cjt999fire2000@y... writes:
>
>
> > Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of
> that
> > year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and
> it
> > was the same then with the music available on CD
>
> It was used on the whole of that tour. I saw them in
> Manchester and bought
> the C.D in the interval before Tangerine Dream came
> on.
> I love it to chill out to but I know there are many
> that can't stand it.
> Derek
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:30
pm
Subject: Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
Well, in DWT 1, several tracks were left out of the double CD, and some were
shortened. I guess the same happened in DWT 2. So I think there could be
enough material for three CDs in DWT 3. Personally I would prefer keeping it
a 2CD collection, though. 2 CDs and 20+ tracks is a lot of stuff already.
Only if there were tracks longer than 15 minutes...
j.gordon wrote:
> concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out if
> there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that there
> wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 11:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys
In light of the discussion on A.M. I popped it on while I was puttering
around the house and although I remembered there was a considerable amount of
already released music on there I noticed that there was also quite a bit of
ambient sounds
from TD albums... The Wolf sounds are remarkably close to the ones on Force
Majuere and I noticed some other natural sounds from Underwater Sunlight...
I wonder if these are from original field recordings previously used by the
band?
Poly
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
YES
All excellent ideas and thoughts.
Yannick are you out there?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'j.gordon'
To:
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
> my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been
the
> man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting
everyone
> together to do their parts...
>
> i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far
as the
> name and theme would be great...
>
> concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out
if
> there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that
there
> wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken...
>
> in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one
> track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and
Olyam,
> one solo piece and two collaborations...
>
> i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has
been
> great and think it would be cool to see what else is available...
>
> $.02 lighter
>
> jerome
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
I think time should not be a factor on the tracks. I remember reading about
some tracks being left off as well. Why stop at 3, maybe there is enough for
4? We wont know till we start getting material or at least a post saying 'I
am submitting material, it is 1 track, 15 minutes or 2 tracks 3 minutes' ...
etc.
Both DWT are very good. I think the members here have a great amount of
talent. I am sure they can also 'Tangetize' a few tracks here and there if
they wish to follow the TD tradition. In fact why not have this theme
'Tangetize'.
In jest but perhaps a serious thought too.
The wheels must turn. I am just oiling them a bit.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:30 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
> Well, in DWT 1, several tracks were left out of the double CD, and some
were
> shortened. I guess the same happened in DWT 2. So I think there could be
> enough material for three CDs in DWT 3. Personally I would prefer keeping
it
> a 2CD collection, though. 2 CDs and 20+ tracks is a lot of stuff already.
> Only if there were tracks longer than 15 minutes...
>
> j.gordon wrote:
> > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out
if
> > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that
there
> > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken...
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:32
pm
Subject: Re[2]: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland
I think it was kind of a tribute for Edgar to play a few 'Poland'
tracks. I myself was sure in Edgar&Jerome Co. picking The
Spirit of the Czar (i.e. 'Poland' first track Dream-mixed) as opening
track for Most Beautiful Rock for Peace. Well, I was almost right,
because following the Firestarter intro, there came the Czar... BTW
the guitar supporting the sequence was cool!
Pal.
>>
>> And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or
>> what?'
JW> Yesss, I think so... And we (the Polish) love Edgar ;-)
JW> Jarek 'Jerry'
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Dennis
>In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore,
>Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live', whilst
>Valentine Wheels and Tournado are? TD were simply using the editing
>strategies throughout that were appropriate to their live work at the
>time.
>
>Dennis
To say that releasing, say, the February 9th 1976 Brussels, Belgium Johnson
University show would have been 'impossible' is proposterous.
As for Logos, yes, I know that Midnight in Tula, White Eagle (with some of
the sounds of Das Madchen), Mojave Plan, and Choronzon were already
available on Exit and White Eagle. But in the case of Choronzon, the song
had changed from a boring 6 bar sequence to a great 8 bar sequence. And
since TD has yet to release a definitive The Keep soundtrack, there's no
reason why the 3rd and 7th sequences (at the least) of the Logos tour could
not have been included. And even though Choronzon live IS very repetitive,
perhaps the second half of it could have been included. There are
unreleased themes here that are as strong as the other sequences that
appear on the Logos disc.
As for Poland,
#1 for Warsaw in the Sun, they clearly weren't happy with the live version
#2 they'd played Hyperborea Sphinx Lightning live (6 minutes of it) and so
decided to instead create a new track Barbakane movement 1*
#3 The 26 minute title track 'Poland' had to be reperformed to fit on a 24
minute vinyl album side.
#4 Rarebird was shortened
#5 The Logos 'coda' ending was shaved off, as were 2 other encores.
*Barbakane consists of movement 1, Warsaw in the Sun (which was played live
but much different), and then movement 3 which ends with waves crashing
(which was played live).
As for Livemiles, our complaint has always been the labeling/packaging.
Nothing on the first half of Livemiles was EVER heard live until 1988. And
as for the second half, it's bits and pieces which have been remixed and
rebalanced, and Dolphin Dance has been, at best, neutered.
And as for Encore, the fact of the matter is, there's at LEAST one or two
more CDs worth of 1977 tour material worth releasing.
Dennis, you're running a surprisingly strong defense for Edgar. Are you
sure this is a good place to be? :)
-Morgan
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: Dennis
Morgan wrote:
> #3 The 26 minute title track 'Poland' had to be reperformed to fit on a 24
minute vinyl album side.
Now that I don't understand, if Schulze's Timewind, almost 10 years older,
is made of one 30 minute track and another almost as long. Did vinyl have
different formats or what?
Gustavo Jobim
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Dan Downey
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dennis
From a rather dim recollection I believe that 22
minutes was deterimined to be the optimum time limit
for a 33rpm LP. I have a couple of LPs that squeeze
close to 40 minutes on a side, not unusual for
bootlegs.
--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Morgan wrote:
> > #3 The 26 minute title track 'Poland' had to be
> reperformed to fit on a 24 minute vinyl album side.
>
> Now that I don't understand, if Schulze's Timewind,
> almost 10 years older,
> is made of one 30 minute track and another almost as
> long. Did vinyl have
> different formats or what?
>
> Gustavo Jobim
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From:
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Date: Mon May 13, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys
--- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote:
> Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of that
> year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and it
> was the same then with the music available on CD (i
> got the last one) :-)
>
> Listening to it on its own i find it quite an nice
> relaxing album....
>
> Chris
>
> --- fozziebear
> wrote:
> > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a
> > record fair today. Havent
> > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a
> > pre-concert 'warm up' material
> > from one of their tours. Is that the story behind
> > this release?
The ambient monkeys material was definately played at the Bristol
Colsten Hall gig of 29,10,97 before the concert itself,i remember
that concert most vividly,and i didnt buy the Keep at the time either,
must of been the thrill of seeing them after an abscence of 7 years.
Best regards CJ
> >
> > Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at
> > Bristol on their last UK
> > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was
> > already playing. You
> > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at
> > the show as was Dream
> > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes.
> > Guess I bought the wrong
> > one, huh?
> >
> > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing
> > tracks woven together with
> > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:14
pm
Subject: editing strategies
Whether Livemiles was performed live or performed at the appropriate time or
not I care not. It's a great album. I tune out the intros on that and all
the other 'live albums' and enjoy the music for what it is.
But with the Tree we do have an opportunity to hear shows as the fans recorded
them. And I didn't think I would see the day when we would have good quality,
almost sanctioned CD's of the shows. Hopefully they will now be available for
us and future generations of fans in a non profit way. Thanks to those who
recorded, Heiko and all others who contributed or passed them on. In the
words of Patti Smith - PHTP - People have the Power.
Let's not knock the content
David
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
I am in for a third DWT............
I though of a project name/theme, as I saw this mail. How does this sound:
Dreamwatchers Tale III: The Beginning......................??????
Theme could be the beginning of life/universe/?????????
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
> YES
> All excellent ideas and thoughts.
> Yannick are you out there?
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'j.gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
>
>
> > my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been
> the
> > man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting
> everyone
> > together to do their parts...
> >
> > i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far
> as the
> > name and theme would be great...
> >
> > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out
> if
> > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that
> there
> > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken...
> >
> > in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one
> > track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and
> Olyam,
> > one solo piece and two collaborations...
> >
> > i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has
> been
> > great and think it would be cool to see what else is available...
> >
> > $.02 lighter
> >
> > jerome
>
>
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Date: Mon May 13, 2002 9:04
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
Good Suggestions!
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
> I am in for a third DWT............
>
> I though of a project name/theme, as I saw this mail. How does this sound:
>
> Dreamwatchers Tale III: The Beginning......................??????
>
> Theme could be the beginning of life/universe/?????????
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
>
>
> > YES
> > All excellent ideas and thoughts.
> > Yannick are you out there?
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'j.gordon'
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post)
> >
> >
> > > my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has
been
> > the
> > > man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting
> > everyone
> > > together to do their parts...
> > >
> > > i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as
far
> > as the
> > > name and theme would be great...
> > >
> > > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find
out
> > if
> > > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression
that
> > there
> > > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken...
> > >
> > > in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than
one
> > > track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion
and
> > Olyam,
> > > one solo piece and two collaborations...
> > >
> > > i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far
has
> > been
> > > great and think it would be cool to see what else is available...
> > >
> > > $.02 lighter
> > >
> > > jerome
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 12:24
am
Subject: Franke Tenchi Reissue
Hi everyone,
I hope this isn't old news... I apologize if it is. Anyway, this will be
of interest to some people, especially those who collect all the variations
of releases. :-) I found a new rerelease of Franke's Tenchi Muyo in Love
soundtrack today at Best Buy and picked it up. It's got a 2002 date on it,
so it can't be that old... But it's got completely new artwork, says it's
remastered (why would they have to do that??) and has a couple of extra
tracks on it. I'm a big fan of the Tenchi Muyo series, but I didn't pick
this soundtrack up way back when because I'm not a big fan of Franke's
soundtrack work. I finally got the DVD of this movie last year and saw the
movie all the way through and actually liked a lot of the music. But
honestly, I still like the music from the original Tenchi Muyo OVA series
the best, but I digress...
There's some decent liner notes on the inside including a Franke bio with
all the usual blah-blah we know about him. But the very last line has got
me excited and I quote: 'He is currently working on his own new solo album
in the genre of ambient-world and technotrance.' So he's finally going to
put out a new electronic album?? Yay!!! Hopefully we won't have to wait
too much longer.
Regards,
Dave B. (back to lurking...)
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 8:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group!
Hi Morgan!
> To say that releasing, say, the February 9th 1976 Brussels, Belgium
> Johnson University show would have been 'impossible' is proposterous.
OK, that statement was a partly deliberate over-generalisation to
illustrate the way TD may have been thinking about the issue at the
time. I remembered snippets from various interviews with the band
members relating how the early concerts would be break-neck
improvisations with only the starting key shouted out to the other
musicians immediately prior to the concert. As an inevitable result of
this, Edgar et al. report how they were great on some days, rubbish on
others, and somewhere in between on most days. I don't think I've
heard Brussels, but I trust your judgement. There are definitely some
gems from that early period that could have been released 'straight
off'. But there is a lot more material that merits being put on record but
can do so only after substantial editing. Coventry 1975, for instance,
definitely has its moments but wouldn't work anywhere near as good as
an uncut live recording as the 'edited highlights' on Ricochet did in the
end.
> As for Logos, yes, I know that Midnight in Tula, White Eagle (with
> some of the sounds of Das Madchen), Mojave Plan, and Choronzon were
> already available on Exit and White Eagle. But in the case of
> Choronzon, the song had changed from a boring 6 bar sequence to a
> great 8 bar sequence.
It's a great version. But the band apparently thought it didn't depart
sufficiently from the original to include it. Sound reasoning, no matter
how much you or I might disagree with the premise.
> And since TD has yet to release a definitive The
> Keep soundtrack, there's no reason why the 3rd and 7th sequences (at
> the least) of the Logos tour could not have been included.
But there was no way of telling that the Keep soundtrack would suffer
such a fate in 1982. My guess would be that, when putting together the
Logos music for the official release, they were hoping that the Keep
music would see the light of day sometime soon and thus decided to
leave it out. Keeping live work with live work and soundtrack music with
soundtrack music appears to be a reasonable strategy to me.
> As for Livemiles, our complaint has always been the
> labeling/packaging. Nothing on the first half of Livemiles was EVER
> heard live until 1988. And as for the second half, it's bits and
> pieces which have been remixed and rebalanced, and Dolphin Dance has
> been, at best, neutered.
I'm in no position to judge whether any of Livemiles has ever been
played live, whether it is entirely a studio fabrication, whether it includes
material from rehearsals and soundchecks, or whether it was a
dumping ground for unreleased material. But I agree that packaging it
as a live album when none of it was live isn't a defensible practice.
Having said that, I agree with David that the music on Livemiles
warrants buying the album, no matter whether it's live or not. The take
on 'Dolphin Dance' is my favourite version of the track.
> And as for Encore, the fact of the matter is, there's at LEAST one or
> two more CDs worth of 1977 tour material worth releasing.
Just don't let it be the material from 'Acoustic LSD' (groan). I'm not
disputing that there might be a lot more music from that period that
would be of a high enough quality to be released. But in pre-TDI times,
releasing just a single live album was probably the most appropriate
thing to do. With the recent profligation of releases from TDI, maybe
we'll see some more 1977 classics soon.
> Dennis, you're running a surprisingly strong defense for Edgar. Are
> you sure this is a good place to be? :)
I don't mean to defend Edgar personally in any way. While I'd agree
with you that the morals of calling Livemiles Pt. 1 'live' (accepting for
the sake of argument that it wasn't) are somewhat dubious, I'd still
argue, though, that there's nothing wrong with the editing strategies TD
have employed over the years. If your concerts involve long
improvisations of varying quality, editing the highlights into an amazing
record like Ricochet is a commendable art in itself. If your concerts
include fresh material along with snippets of music released (or to be
released) elsewhere, then it makes sense to preserve the integrity of
the new release by leaving those bits out. If your concerts consist of live
renditions and alternative versions of existing material, you're in a
position to release them unedited with some justification.
I'm not disputing for a moment that there are still tons of material out
there which would be worthy of an official release. But given the
masses of music created by TD over the years, it is unlikely that all of it
ever will get released, and there should be no obligation for that to
happen. Of TD's countless recordings, the live ones (whether this is to
be taken literally or not) have always been some of the best parts of the
oeuvre for me. In my view, this proves TD's editing and release
strategies to be sound.
Dennis
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 8:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ambient Monkeys
it was played in Bonn, too. Can't remember Glasgow.
I did buy all CDs I could get, including one of the
last copies of Quinoa (the b/w cover VOLT release).
And, of course, The Keep.
> > > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a
> > > record fair today. Havent
> > > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a
> > > pre-concert 'warm up' material
> > > from one of their tours. Is that the story behind
> > > this release?
> The ambient monkeys material was definately played at the Bristol
> Colsten Hall gig of 29,10,97 before the concert itself,i remember
> that concert most vividly,and i didnt buy the Keep at the time either,
> must of been the thrill of seeing them after an abscence of 7 years.
> Best regards CJ
> > >
> > > Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at
> > > Bristol on their last UK
> > > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was
> > > already playing. You
> > > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at
> > > the show as was Dream
> > > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes.
> > > Guess I bought the wrong
> > > one, huh?
> > >
> > > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing
> > > tracks woven together with
> > > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Tue May 14, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: Re: Encore
--- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote:
> TD merely took the most sensible
> of actions and spliced together the most interesting bits of music
in a
> recording that managed to capture the highlights of their live work
in an
> 'impressions of the tour' format.
This is true for Ricochet, but not for Encore. How does adding studio
Material from 1974 (Oedipus Tyrannus ST) to a 1977 tour album make
for a good 'impressions of the tour' format? Even the studio track
Coldwater Canyon does not 'capture the highlights of their live
work'. The same is true for the studio track 'Quichotte 2' on
Pergamon.
> In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore,
> Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live',
Well, if more than 50% of the music on a 'live' album is recorded in
a studio, as is the case with at least 3 albums (Encore, Pergamon and
Livemiles), then the problem is simply that the term live is very
misleading.
On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we
received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the
light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live,
then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we
would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great
tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts
via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both.
Arne
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Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore
In a message dated 5/14/2002 3:55:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
arne.richter@g... writes:
> On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we
> received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the
> light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live,
> then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we
> would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great
> tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts
> via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both.
>
> Arne
>
*This sums things up nicely. I still love Encore, though owning several boots
from the '76 period (which is a fantastic one) I think there are several
sections that could have been lifted and turned into another double set at
least of original live music. It must be remembered that in the '70's it was
VERY common practice to release 'Live' albums that were predominately studo
creations. Wings and Thin Lizzy live spring to mind as examples of almost
entirely studio created live albums.
Poly
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ambient Monkeys
It was also played at the Wolverhampton Civic Gig.
The Persistence of memory eh ?
From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: Re: Encore
--- In tadream@y..., 'richter_arne' wrote:
>
> > 'impressions of the tour' format.
>
> This is true for Ricochet, but not for Encore. How does adding
studio
> Material from 1974 (Oedipus Tyrannus ST) to a 1977 tour album make
> for a good 'impressions of the tour' format? Even the studio track
> Coldwater Canyon does not 'capture the highlights of their live
> work'. The same is true for the studio track 'Quichotte 2' on
> Pergamon.
While I like Ricochet very much, it is definitely not an
impression of the tour imo.
I like the 74/75 music of TD, maybe even more then 77
and have quite some recordings of that period.
Let's just say Ricochet isn't like any of those recordings,
only a few sequence-parts of Croydon.
Just listen to Coefficient and you get a good feel of the
74/75 concerts. IMO one of the best concerts TD ever did.
An artist can do whatever they want with a recording/concert
and don't have to listen to anyone but themselves and thats
what Edgar/TD did.
I also wish some of the complete concerts were released as
they were played but it's not up to us.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> > In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore,
> > Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not
strictly 'live',
>
> Well, if more than 50% of the music on a 'live' album is recorded
in
> a studio, as is the case with at least 3 albums (Encore, Pergamon
and
> Livemiles), then the problem is simply that the term live is very
> misleading.
>
> On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we
> received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the
> light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live,
> then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we
> would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the
great
> tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts
> via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both.
>
> Arne
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 2:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore
> > On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we
> > received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the
> > light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live,
> > then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we
> > would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great
> > tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts
> > via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both.
> >
> > Arne
> >
>
>*This sums things up nicely. I still love Encore, though owning several
>boots
>from the '76 period (which is a fantastic one) I think there are several
>sections that could have been lifted and turned into another double set at
>least of original live music. It must be remembered that in the '70's it
>was
>VERY common practice to release 'Live' albums that were predominately studo
>creations. Wings and Thin Lizzy live spring to mind as examples of almost
>entirely studio created live albums.
>Poly
By the way, may I ask why does everyone _still_ want Edgar to release those
concerts untouched? Isn't our Tangerine Tree already doing that, and for
*free*?
I understand that in the case of the pre-77 (or was the Cyclone tour
material also improvised?) no-fantape-known concerts, but frankly... Like
Arne said, then we would lack a whole lot of pieces. I too love many of
these studio sections; the Livemiles version of Dolphin Dance, most of
Desert Dream, Quichotte Part 2, Barbakane Part 1, the ricochet section of
Ricochet Part 2 (I don't know for sure if it's studio, but that'd be most
probable), most additions on SndMillNav. and the beginning & end of
Coldwater Canyon are all brilliant.
Further on the case of the latter, I still cease to believe that it is
strictly&completely a studio creation. If it is, then why it is so ...
monotonic when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation
to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost three
times more persistent than Str.
But anyway, as there's more live than studio material from the 70s, getting
studio-'live' tracks instead of pure live tracks, gives a better percentage
between studio & live. Say, would you rather take three studio album, two
live albums and six unique fantapes, or five studio albums (incl. two
'live') and eight unique fantapes? I guess that you all would want studio
material too, not just live recordings. After all, studio work has its good
sides too, so getting that and live in even quantities is better.
Analogically, if you think that actual albums and soundtracks are equal, you
don't start collecting only other - you want to get some of both.
(I hope you understood?)
And one last case of false live advertizing... The SBM version of Exit
claims too to be live, but I guess this it's so obvious that no-one should
ever be fooled by this.
John Vertical
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Date: Tue May 14, 2002 2:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ambient Monkeys
I also have the origional Quinoa release on Volt
records. It was sent to me from TD as part of the Fan
Club when it was still going. Thought i was a special
person when i had this Limited Edition Copy, however
not so limited with the presence of Copying Equipment
these days.....:-)
Chris
--- Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> it was played in Bonn, too. Can't remember Glasgow.
> I did buy all CDs I could get, including one of the
> last copies of Quinoa (the b/w cover VOLT release).
> And, of course, The Keep.
>
>
> > > > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at
> a
> > > > record fair today. Havent
> > > > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a
> > > > pre-concert 'warm up' material
> > > > from one of their tours. Is that the story
> behind
> > > > this release?
> > The ambient monkeys material was definately played
> at the Bristol
> > Colsten Hall gig of 29,10,97 before the concert
> itself,i remember
> > that concert most vividly,and i didnt buy the Keep
> at the time either,
> > must of been the thrill of seeing them after an
> abscence of 7 years.
> > Best regards CJ
> > > >
> > > > Yes. They played it before the show I saw
> them at
> > > > Bristol on their last UK
> > > > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music
> was
> > > > already playing. You
> > > > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for
> sale at
> > > > the show as was Dream
> > > > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes.
>
> > > > Guess I bought the wrong
> > > > one, huh?
> > > >
> > > > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some
> existing
> > > > tracks woven together with
> > > > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always
> work.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Date: Tue May 14, 2002 3:29
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group!
What if ... You did not know live was mixed or studio was mixed with live or
even various other combinations was used? Bliss is what you get when you
listen to the albums. If you never dug into how they where made you might
not have the same thoughts. I think it is like knowing how the magic trick
is done when the magician is performing, something gets left out.
Mind you, I dig too. For my own reason however. I want to know how they
created some of the sounds. I also practice magic a bit.
I find it very interesting how much detail is to be found on every album. I
just wish more of the detail on how it was made was known.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dennis Nigbur'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group!
> Hi Morgan!
>
> > To say that releasing, say, the February 9th 1976 Brussels, Belgium
> > Johnson University show would have been 'impossible' is proposterous.
>
> OK, that statement was a partly deliberate over-generalisation to
> illustrate the way TD may have been thinking about the issue at the
> time. I remembered snippets from various interviews with the band
> members relating how the early concerts would be break-neck
> improvisations with only the starting key shouted out to the other
> musicians immediately prior to the concert. As an inevitable result of
> this, Edgar et al. report how they were great on some days, rubbish on
> others, and somewhere in between on most days. I don't think I've
> heard Brussels, but I trust your judgement. There are definitely some
> gems from that early period that could have been released 'straight
> off'. But there is a lot more material that merits being put on record but
> can do so only after substantial editing. Coventry 1975, for instance,
> definitely has its moments but wouldn't work anywhere near as good as
> an uncut live recording as the 'edited highlights' on Ricochet did in the
> end.
>
> > As for Logos, yes, I know that Midnight in Tula, White Eagle (with
> > some of the sounds of Das Madchen), Mojave Plan, and Choronzon were
> > already available on Exit and White Eagle. But in the case of
> > Choronzon, the song had changed from a boring 6 bar sequence to a
> > great 8 bar sequence.
>
> It's a great version. But the band apparently thought it didn't depart
> sufficiently from the original to include it. Sound reasoning, no matter
> how much you or I might disagree with the premise.
>
> > And since TD has yet to release a definitive The
> > Keep soundtrack, there's no reason why the 3rd and 7th sequences (at
> > the least) of the Logos tour could not have been included.
>
> But there was no way of telling that the Keep soundtrack would suffer
> such a fate in 1982. My guess would be that, when putting together the
> Logos music for the official release, they were hoping that the Keep
> music would see the light of day sometime soon and thus decided to
> leave it out. Keeping live work with live work and soundtrack music with
> soundtrack music appears to be a reasonable strategy to me.
>
> > As for Livemiles, our complaint has always been the
> > labeling/packaging. Nothing on the first half of Livemiles was EVER
> > heard live until 1988. And as for the second half, it's bits and
> > pieces which have been remixed and rebalanced, and Dolphin Dance has
> > been, at best, neutered.
>
> I'm in no position to judge whether any of Livemiles has ever been
> played live, whether it is entirely a studio fabrication, whether it
includes
> material from rehearsals and soundchecks, or whether it was a
> dumping ground for unreleased material. But I agree that packaging it
> as a live album when none of it was live isn't a defensible practice.
>
> Having said that, I agree with David that the music on Livemiles
> warrants buying the album, no matter whether it's live or not. The take
> on 'Dolphin Dance' is my favourite version of the track.
>
> > And as for Encore, the fact of the matter is, there's at LEAST one or
> > two more CDs worth of 1977 tour material worth releasing.
>
> Just don't let it be the material from 'Acoustic LSD' (groan). I'm not
> disputing that there might be a lot more music from that period that
> would be of a high enough quality to be released. But in pre-TDI times,
> releasing just a single live album was probably the most appropriate
> thing to do. With the recent profligation of releases from TDI, maybe
> we'll see some more 1977 classics soon.
>
> > Dennis, you're running a surprisingly strong defense for Edgar. Are
> > you sure this is a good place to be? :)
>
> I don't mean to defend Edgar personally in any way. While I'd agree
> with you that the morals of calling Livemiles Pt. 1 'live' (accepting for
> the sake of argument that it wasn't) are somewhat dubious, I'd still
> argue, though, that there's nothing wrong with the editing strategies TD
> have employed over the years. If your concerts involve long
> improvisations of varying quality, editing the highlights into an amazing
> record like Ricochet is a commendable art in itself. If your concerts
> include fresh material along with snippets of music released (or to be
> released) elsewhere, then it makes sense to preserve the integrity of
> the new release by leaving those bits out. If your concerts consist of
live
> renditions and alternative versions of existing material, you're in a
> position to release them unedited with some justification.
>
> I'm not disputing for a moment that there are still tons of material out
> there which would be worthy of an official release. But given the
> masses of music created by TD over the years, it is unlikely that all of
it
> ever will get released, and there should be no obligation for that to
> happen. Of TD's countless recordings, the live ones (whether this is to
> be taken literally or not) have always been some of the best parts of the
> oeuvre for me. In my view, this proves TD's editing and release
> strategies to be sound.
>
> Dennis
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 5:32
pm
Subject: New Franke solo (was: Franke Tenchi Reissue)
Maybe he's been working with Paul Haslinger again, as this seems to be the
route Haslinger has gone with 'Future Primative' and 'World Without Rules'.
If so it would be an interesting turn, since Haslinger's 'Planetary
Traveller' was so heavily influenced by Franke...
James
> -----Original Message-----
> 'He is currently working on his own
> new solo album
> in the genre of ambient-world and technotrance.' So he's
> finally going to
> put out a new electronic album?? Yay!!! Hopefully we won't
> have to wait
> too much longer.
>
> Regards,
> Dave B. (back to lurking...)
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: [Live or Memorex]
We've been down this road many times. :)
Yes, the actual Albuquerque '86 concert had much music which would later
appear on albums like Lily on the Beach and Optical Race. But if you
forgive me, it sounds so clinical on those discs. I much prefer listening
to 1986 concert bootlegs, especially ones recorded from FM radio over these
albums.
As for Encore, yes, Coldwater Canyon is a nice track. And I can see your
point about the Detroit march 77 show.
But, there are compelling tour themes from 77 which were heard at nearly
every show which are completely absent.
And I have to state again, this cut and pasting of applause to tracks which
were never played live is offensive.
I am not saying TD cannot do studio tracks. Only that they should keep
studio tracks as they are, on studio CDs.
I am one of those strange creatures that is not a huge fan of Hyperborea.
Well, they played Sphinx Lighting (6 min of it) at the 10.12.83 Warsaw
shows. For the CD release, they completely re-recorded all the music and
created a new track, Barbakane, in the vein of Hyperborea. Again, people
love it.
I think Livemiles is a very nice album. But it's marred by the labeling and
claim. Again, I am willing to accept that Edgar released it to get out of a
contract of some sort.
I've pretty much given up on complaining about Edgar's practices, as it's
like trying to teach a fish to sing.
We have many fantapes and FM recordings, and the number of high-quality
recordings is going through the roof as tapes are found in drawers,
closets, and in TD diehard collections who are finally opening their doors
long enough to make a dub. :)
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 6:08
pm
Subject: TD Diehards
I am so glad there is a TD Diehards forum where likeminded individuals who
have heard 140+ concert fantapes will accept nothing less than the best
fantapes of COMPLETE shows. :)
Occasionally we come here and talk on the list, but then we go back to our
caves and listen to every note and nuance (and bum note) and enjoy it anyway.
Albums are nice, but I've listened to them all 100x each. The concerts are
where my ears can be found on any given day (when not listening to the
marvelous 'Pointless Reminder', 'Quark Soup', and 'Qigong Dancing' and Dave
B.'s piano montage)
-Morgan
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 6:22
pm
Subject: Quichotte pt. 2 (was Re: Encore)
Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio, as the intro
ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are identical to the radio
broadcast version. The only change is that a much cooler 'long sequence'
replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding one that was actually played at the
concert (or at least on the radio broadcast of the concert...). I consider
it a DEFINITE improvement, as this is one of the ROCKINEST pieces TD has
ever put out.
It has all the energy of the highest BPM Dream Mixes, without sacrificing
any of the musical purity (guitar and synth remain the lead instruments
rather than letting the drum machine do the soloing...), and that transition
from guitar solo to synth solo is so smooth it's almost unreal! NOBODY but
NOBODY can top the feel of this MASTERPIECE!
James
> -----Original Message-----
> Well, if more than 50% of the music on a 'live' album is recorded in
> a studio, as is the case with at least 3 albums (Encore, Pergamon and
> Livemiles), then the problem is simply that the term live is very
> misleading.
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From:
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Date: Tue May 14, 2002 6:35
pm
Subject: test--ignore
hmm....
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 7:59
pm
Subject: Re: Exit (was 'Re: Encore')
In a message dated 5/14/02 10:35:38 AM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>And one last case of false live advertizing... The SBM version of Exit
>claims too to be live, but I guess this it's so obvious that no-one should
>ever be fooled by this.
I'm pretty sure that's just an error, rather than false advertising. The SBMs
are rife with such mistakes.
It probably says Peter Baumann played on it, too. (I think Tangram says that.)
--Daniel
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore
In a message dated 5/14/2002 9:35:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> Further on the case of the latter, I still cease to believe that it is
> strictly&completely a studio creation. If it is, then why it is so ...
> monotonic
*You sure do like that word ... ;-)
when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation
> to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost three
> times more persistent than Str.
Why monotonic? Perhaps you haven't noticed that they would noodle in the same
key for hours. How many key modulations were there in ANY of the albums
leading up to Stratosfear? (Or for that point in Stratosfear itself?)
Stratosfear certainly was the point where they whittled things down a bit
thematically, but there was an awful lot of splicing tape going on to
accomplish that. Maybe someone here has that interview with Chris where he
mentions there were hours of recorded music they did for Stratosfear before
they brought out the chopping block.
Poly
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 10:52
pm
Subject: Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine
Tangerine Dream and Force Majeure got a mention in Ken C. Pohlmann's
column in the June 2002 issue of Sound and Vision (formerlly Stereo
Review). Boy was I shocked to see this.
The article is about anonymous file sharing software, like Napster,
and the grey areas created regarding copyright protection.
The article opens:
'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to
mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the
end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody.
It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's
been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean-
Baptiste Lully (who probably lifted it from earlier composers), these
16 bars have been borrowed by countless composers, including J. S.
Bach, Beethoven, Berlioz, Liszt, and Rachmaninoff.
The record store across the street, I told him, probably won't have
the Tangerine Dream album, but perhaps they can order it. ...'
He continues on and, in the end, compares borrowing the La Folia
theme with sharing music through file sharing programs. He points
out that 'file sharing is a form of borrowing, though hardly a form
of tribute.'
I'll have to listen to FM again to see what he is talking about. I
didn't realize that this melody was borrowed from a classical source.
Regarding the sentiments Ken has on file sharing, please don't flame
me. I mention the article only because it mentions TD and one of my
favorite albums of theirs. My intent is NOT to start a discussion on
the legality of sharing music over the internet.
Rich Maggio
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 11:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine
maggior wrote:
>
> The article opens:
> 'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to
> mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the
> end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody.
> It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's
> been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean-
> Baptiste Lully (who probably lifted it from earlier composers), these
> 16 bars have been borrowed by countless composers, including J. S.
> Bach, Beethoven, Berlioz, Liszt, and Rachmaninoff.
> (...)
> I'll have to listen to FM again to see what he is talking about. I
> didn't realize that this melody was borrowed from a classical source.
I remember this subject from the Vangelis mailing list (yes, Vangelis
borrowed this theme too :-)). A link was mentioned there, about 'La
Folia'. Following that link I've just found a reference to Force
Majeure! Here are the URLs:
La Folia:
http://people.a2000.nl/pgabler/
Reference to TD's Force Majeure, including a MIDI file of the theme:
http://people.a2000.nl/pgabler/html5t.html
Internet is wonderful, isn't it? :-)
Antonio
From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 12:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Franke solo (was: Franke Tenchi Reissue)
James said:
>Maybe he's been working with Paul Haslinger again, as this seems to be the
>route Haslinger has gone with 'Future Primative' and 'World Without Rules'.
>
>If so it would be an interesting turn, since Haslinger's 'Planetary
>Traveller' was so heavily influenced by Franke...
>
It would be cool if those two collaborated on an EM album! They're both due
for a non-soundtrack release. But I was just imagining Franke doing some
more stuff like Klemania or Metaphonic Chronicles for his new album.
Dave B.
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine
Wow. Then that explains why that finale always sounded so different, unique,
unlike TD, to me.
>'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to
>mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the
>end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody.
>It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's
>been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean-
>Baptiste Lully'
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:20
am
Subject: re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
how ironic. I have always viewed the laFolia section of the song Force
Majeure as the only imperfection on the entire FM album. not so much
becuase it doesn't 'fit' the rest of the music - you have to get used to
sudden shifts in progreessive music - but it just sounded like the old dude
in the mall who plays 70's game show themes in the organ store. I think
it's mostly the instrumentation I don't like really. I actually snipped
that section out of my car tape recording.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gustavo Jobim
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/14/02 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine
Wow. Then that explains why that finale always sounded so different,
unique, unlike TD, to me.
>'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to
>mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the
>end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody.
>It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's
>been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean-
>Baptiste Lully'
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
'artofvision01'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:45
am
Subject: Re: Quichotte
> Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio, as the intro
> ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are identical to the
>radio broadcast version. The only change is that a much cooler
>'long sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding one that was
>actually played at the concert (or at least on the radio broadcast
>of the concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE improvement, as this
>is one of the ROCKINEST pieces TD has
> ever put out.
>
Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert after a
long break and also wondered, how heavenly great it is!
But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano solo.
Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano compositions.
I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called
'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with Pergamon...
I suppose, it's the actual material from the concert.
BTW, why is the album called Pergamon while both tracks
are Quichotte's?
ArtOfVision
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore
> when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation
> > to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost
>three
> > times more persistent than Str.
>
>Why monotonic? Perhaps you haven't noticed that they would noodle in the
>same
>key for hours. How many key modulations were there in ANY of the albums
>leading up to Stratosfear? (Or for that point in Stratosfear itself?)
I don't think I'm able to recognize different keys - I mean that it's just a
guitar solo, not much else really... Enen though most of their older studio
work is basically noodling, too, this sounds less ordered noodling than
other studio work.
Perhaps the fact that I find this boring doesn't however make it any more
live...
Well, I can't say anything for sure, not being professional enough on this
subject. That was simply how I felt...
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex]
>Yes, the actual Albuquerque '86 concert had much music which would later
>appear on albums like Lily on the Beach and Optical Race. But if you
>forgive me, it sounds so clinical on those discs. I much prefer listening
>to 1986 concert bootlegs, especially ones recorded from FM radio over these
>albums.
Waitwaitwait! I already knew (even before someone pointed out it after my
review of OR) about Mothers of Rain being played in 86, thanks to the
tracklists at Zebbyworld.
But Lily on the Beach? There's no mention of that there...
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:33
am
Subject: [PDR 1980]
>Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert after a
>long break and also wondered, how heavenly great it is!
>But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano solo.
>Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano compositions.
It's confusing to call Pergamon a concert...
>I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called
>'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with Pergamon...
>I suppose, it's the actual material from the concert.
As for Staatsgrenze West, that's a pretty old bootleg of this event and is
incomplete.
The complete 80 minute show can be had on 'White Cloths' or 'Lifted Curtain'.
I like all 3 versions of this music, Tangram, Pergamon (Quichotte), and the
actual concert each in their own way.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:38
am
Subject: Lily on the Beach in 86?
My mistake on Lily on the Beach material being heard in 1986.
The 86 tour was mostly Underwater Sunlight and Le Parc and a few soundtrack
bits.
-Morgan
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Quichotte
I think the album is named after the Pergamon Museum in Berlin. What
I do wonder is why the tracks are called Quichotte!
Dennis
On 15 May 2002 at 5:45, artofvision01 wrote:
>
> > Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio, as the intro
> > ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are identical to the
> >radio broadcast version. The only change is that a much cooler 'long
> >sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding one that was actually
> >played at the concert (or at least on the radio broadcast of the
> >concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE improvement, as this is one of
> >the ROCKINEST pieces TD has
> > ever put out.
> >
>
> Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert after a
> long break and also wondered, how heavenly great it is!
> But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano solo.
> Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano compositions.
>
> I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called
> 'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with Pergamon...
> I suppose, it's the actual material from the concert.
>
> BTW, why is the album called Pergamon while both tracks
> are Quichotte's?
>
> ArtOfVision
>
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>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex]
> From: Morgan Feldon
>
>[snip]
>
> And I have to state again, this cut and pasting of applause to tracks which
> were never played live is offensive.
>
>[snip]
Agree. Somewhere sometime Edgar said that doing this is common practise
in the industry. Nevertheless, it stays offensive.
But earlier on, Edgar said something else. I had (unfortunately
past tense) a tape copy of a 2 hour long german radio interview with
Edgar from a WDR program in the early 80s. The conversation was
about music in general. At some point he complained about the
(old?) german system to classify music into 'E' and 'U', where
E stands for 'ernste Musik' (serious music - E has nothing to do
with electronic) and U for 'Unterhaltungsmusik' (entertainment music).
Basically, E would be everything you had to go into a so-called 'classic'
section for, and U would be the rest. Edgar noted how silly that
system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music,
where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty.
Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????
armin
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From:
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:21
am
Subject: Berlin 15.06.2002
Hello,
TD Live in Berlin Museumsinsel press onthe link to see more:
http://www.radioeins.de/events/museumsinsel/ (sorry written only in german)
PLEASE LOOK AT THE COVER PICTURE ON THIS PAGE, a little joke or??? ;-)
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002
In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:23:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
heiko@o... writes:
> PLEASE LOOK AT THE COVER PICTURE ON THIS PAGE, a little joke or??? ;-)
>
*Huh? I don't see it... what's the joke? Salvador Dali?
Poly
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002
click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing
TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD
with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that
CD - the one with the annoying fault)
a.
>
>
> > PLEASE LOOK AT THE COVER PICTURE ON THIS PAGE, a little joke or??? ;-)
> >
>
> *Huh? I don't see it... what's the joke? Salvador Dali?
> Poly
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002
In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
Armin.Theissen@s... writes:
> click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing
> TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD
> with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that
> CD - the one with the annoying fault)
>
*Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the Inferno
concert.
Actually I haven't seen the cover for Inferno yet... Is there a street date
for its release in the US? I keep checking my local shops... but nothing.
Poly
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: soundmill nav (was Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002)
Yes, Soundmill Navigator it was called....
I have long given up waiting for things to appear in the shops.
Especially since I live in Ireland. Unless you have endless
patience, I would order it by mail.
a.
> >
>
> *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the Inferno
> concert.
> Actually I haven't seen the cover for Inferno yet... Is there a street date
> for its release in the US? I keep checking my local shops... but nothing.
> Poly
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
In a message dated 5/15/2002 12:03:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
jshoults@f... writes:
> how ironic. I have always viewed the laFolia section of the song Force
> Majeure as the only imperfection on the entire FM album. not so much
> becuase it doesn't 'fit' the rest of the music - you have to get used to
> sudden shifts in progreessive music - but it just sounded like the old dude
> in the mall who plays 70's game show themes in the organ store. I think
> it's mostly the instrumentation I don't like really. I actually snipped
> that section out of my car tape recording.
>
*LOL! I wasn't sure what part was being reffered to until you made the
remark about '70's game show themes. then I immediately knew... This part and
the hyper tweezed guitar line about 4 minutes 20 seconds into Cloudburst
Flight are the only sections I dislike in the album. The guitar part sounds
like a mosquito on meth. urrrgh.
They achieved that sound by slowing down the tape...
Check out that chipmunk vibrato........
I guess Edgar wanted people to think he could play fast.
Bad idea.
I'd take the guitar on Cherokee Lane any day.
Poly
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of
that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work....
a.
>
> *LOL! I wasn't sure what part was being reffered to until you made the
> remark about '70's game show themes. then I immediately knew... This part and
> the hyper tweezed guitar line about 4 minutes 20 seconds into Cloudburst
> Flight are the only sections I dislike in the album. The guitar part sounds
> like a mosquito on meth. urrrgh.
> They achieved that sound by slowing down the tape...
> Check out that chipmunk vibrato........
> I guess Edgar wanted people to think he could play fast.
> Bad idea.
> I'd take the guitar on Cherokee Lane any day.
> Poly
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:49
am
Subject: Re: Berlin 15.06.2002
Many thankx to Armin.
click on June to see the joke.
Regards
heiko - mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Armin.Theissen@s... writes:
>
>
> > click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing
> > TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD
> > with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that
> > CD - the one with the annoying fault)
> >
>
> *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the
Inferno
> concert.
> Actually I haven't seen the cover for Inferno yet... Is there a
street date
> for its release in the US? I keep checking my local shops... but
nothing.
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of
> that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work....
Not even a midi file? The midi on the site I mentioned is just 28
seconds long, and I'm sure you only need to listen to the first 3 or 4
seconds to recognize it. Anyway, on the track 'Force Majeure' you can
hear the theme around 16:18 - 16:46 and again at 17:12 - 17:40.
Antonio
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
ok, I can't play midi files here, but now I now for sure what
you mean. Somebody's earlier remark on a guitar section had me
confused...
thanks
a.
>
>
> Armin Theissen wrote:
> >
> > so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of
> > that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work....
>
>
> Not even a midi file? The midi on the site I mentioned is just 28
> seconds long, and I'm sure you only need to listen to the first 3 or 4
> seconds to recognize it. Anyway, on the track 'Force Majeure' you can
> hear the theme around 16:18 - 16:46 and again at 17:12 - 17:40.
>
> Antonio
>
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:48
am
Subject: Re: Quichotte
--- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote:
> I think the album is named after the Pergamon Museum in Berlin.
What
> I do wonder is why the tracks are called Quichotte!
>
The name of the original album released on Amiga Records of the
former German Democratic Republic is 'Quichotte'. So you had an album
called 'Quichotte' with the two tracks called 'Quichotte' on them.
Only the 1985 Virgin Records version (TD was contractually required
to not release the concert outside East-Germany for 5 years) then had
the name 'Pergamon'.
I also don't see the relation between the two, other than that the
Pergamon museum is less than 1 km from the actual concert
venue 'Palast Der Republik' (which looks like it will be demolished
next year after the 4 years work of asbestos removal will be
finished). And this year's Inferno concert will take place exactly in
the middle between the 2 buildings, about 300-400 meters away from
each.
As to the name 'Quichotte', who knows, maybe that was a little inside
joke from Edgar regarding the bureaucracy necessary to either perfom
or release the music in East Germany. Maybe he felt like he was
attacking windmills at that time?
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Subject: Quichotte pt. 2 (was Re: Encore)
--- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote:
> Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio
Not if you also count the overdubs on Quichotte 1 ;-)
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:48
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] [Live or Memorex]
An album called LIVEMILES 82/83 TOUR was originally supposed to have come
out in 1984. Perhaps it did actually materialize as POLAND THE WARSAW
CONCERT. However, maybe Edgar just really liked the title and stuck with
it.
>
> I think Livemiles is a very nice album. But it's marred by the
> labeling and
> claim. Again, I am willing to accept that Edgar released it to
> get out of a
> contract of some sort.
>
>
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:59
am
Subject: Re: Encore
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> Further on the case of the latter, I still cease to believe that it
is
> strictly&completely a studio creation. If it is, then why it is
so ...
> monotonic when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio
creation
> to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is
almost three
> times more persistent than Str.
Maybe because they tried so hard to make us believe in a live track,
that they overdid it. Look at Quichotte 2 (again!). Another example
of a track that is 'monotonic' if you want to call it that, and again
a definite studio creation. And this even after Force Majeure with
its many themes and in the wake of Tangram with its many sections.
In fact, here we have the exact same situation: Quichotte 1 and the
entire radio broadcast consist of themes not exceeding maybe 8 - 10
minutes in length, yet Quichotte 2 gives us some 20 minutes of
basically one and the same sequence with improvised lead voices, just
like Coldwater Canyon did.
So we have circumstantial evidence that when TD thinks 'let's record
a studio track that sounds like it is live', then they think of 'it
better sound 'monotonic' to make it believable', or at least they
used to do so in the late 70s...
Arne
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 11:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lily on the Beach in 86?
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> My mistake on Lily on the Beach material being heard in 1986.
> The 86 tour was mostly Underwater Sunlight and Le Parc and a few soundtrack
> bits.
But they did play material from Optical Race on the 86 European tour,
namely an early version of 'Mothers of Rain'.
Antonio
np: Mothers of Rain, from Hammersmith Odeon 1986-03-27
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
> knew... This part and
> the hyper tweezed guitar line about 4 minutes 20 seconds into
> Cloudburst Flight are the only sections I dislike in the album. The
> guitar part sounds like a mosquito on meth. urrrgh.
oh I like that guitar. it just sounds like a filter to me. but what do I
know? ;-)
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
antonio provided the link:
Reference to TD's Force Majeure, including a MIDI file of the theme:
http://people.a2000.nl/pgabler/html5t.html
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
> so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of
> that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work....
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:41
pm
Subject: [PDR 1980]
I am perplexed by TD fans who have just started listening to TD concerts or
have heard but a fraction of them (there are ~180 known tapes), especially
those who admit they don't really care for them, and yet who seem to have
so much to say about them.
-Morgan
From:
chris towers
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Quichotte
The Bootleg 'White Cloths' is also very good if you
havnt heard it.
Chris
--- Dennis Nigbur
wrote:
> I think the album is named after the Pergamon Museum
> in Berlin. What
> I do wonder is why the tracks are called Quichotte!
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 15 May 2002 at 5:45, artofvision01 wrote:
>
> >
> > > Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is
> studio, as the intro
> > > ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are
> identical to the
> > >radio broadcast version. The only change is that
> a much cooler 'long
> > >sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding
> one that was actually
> > >played at the concert (or at least on the radio
> broadcast of the
> > >concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE
> improvement, as this is one of
> > >the ROCKINEST pieces TD has
> > > ever put out.
> > >
> >
> > Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert
> after a
> > long break and also wondered, how heavenly great
> it is!
> > But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano
> solo.
> > Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano
> compositions.
> >
> > I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called
> > 'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with
> Pergamon...
> > I suppose, it's the actual material from the
> concert.
> >
> > BTW, why is the album called Pergamon while both
> tracks
> > are Quichotte's?
> >
> > ArtOfVision
> >
> > NP: Time will run back
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
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Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: DVD, CDrs
Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three
Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on
DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on
better quality formats..
Anyone help???????
Thanks
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex]
Edgar noted how silly that
system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music,
where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty.
I view this in a different way. If Edgar felt good about redoing something
then it falls into Good Music. If he felt bad, then that is the way it is. I
believe he feels good about altering some tracks as he feels or wishes they
have been or should have.
I myself look for both untouched and touch versions. I find 'Good' in both.
Also shows me a insight into the minds of those who are doing the creating.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex]
>
>
> > From: Morgan Feldon
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> > And I have to state again, this cut and pasting of applause to tracks
which
> > were never played live is offensive.
> >
> >[snip]
>
> Agree. Somewhere sometime Edgar said that doing this is common practise
> in the industry. Nevertheless, it stays offensive.
>
> But earlier on, Edgar said something else. I had (unfortunately
> past tense) a tape copy of a 2 hour long german radio interview with
> Edgar from a WDR program in the early 80s. The conversation was
> about music in general. At some point he complained about the
> (old?) german system to classify music into 'E' and 'U', where
> E stands for 'ernste Musik' (serious music - E has nothing to do
> with electronic) and U for 'Unterhaltungsmusik' (entertainment music).
> Basically, E would be everything you had to go into a so-called 'classic'
> section for, and U would be the rest. Edgar noted how silly that
> system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music,
> where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty.
>
> Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????
>
>
> armin
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:14
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Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
second that
I be interested as well.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'chris towers'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
> Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three
> Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on
> DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on
> better quality formats..
>
> Anyone help???????
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:17
pm
Subject: Re: Quichotte
--- In tadream@y..., 'richter_arne' wrote:
> As to the name 'Quichotte', who knows, maybe that was a little
inside
> joke from Edgar regarding the bureaucracy necessary to either
perfom
> or release the music in East Germany. Maybe he felt like he was
> attacking windmills at that time?
Come to think of it, isn't there a saying 'The mills of bureaucracy
grind slowly, but exceedingly fine'...there you have it!
Arne
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Re: Berlin 15.06.2002
--- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Armin.Theissen@s... writes:
>
>
> > click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing
> > TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD
> > with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that
> > CD - the one with the annoying fault)
> >
>
> *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the
Inferno
> concert.
Well, the text is just as bad - they mention that TD played the
famous PDR show in 1983 (instead of 1980)...Ignorants!
Arne
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, cjt999fire2000@y... writes:
>Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three
>Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on
>DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on
>better quality formats..
Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What a Blast) can be bought on
DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get Canyon Dreams or
Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three Phase has not come out on DVD,
although there was a laserdisc version (now out of print).
--Daniel
NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went out of business
over
a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the Chronos DVD
(another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is in the process of
being resurrected
quarlie@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, cjt999fire2000@y... writes:
>
> >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three
> >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on
> >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on
> >better quality formats..
>
> Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What a Blast) can be bought on
> DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get Canyon Dreams or
> Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three Phase has not come out on DVD,
> although there was a laserdisc version (now out of print).
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar
>
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
Hello,
I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about Tangerine
Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is going to be on
these trees yet? In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few
people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these
recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in
the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My
question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later
trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without
the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new'
material not destined for a tree.
Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling?
Thanks for your time and understanding.
Neal
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From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:28
pm
Subject: Re: DVD, CDrs
--- In tadream@y..., Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Hi I got Canyon Dreams on DVD about a month ago from play.com and
they are still showing it in stock at the moment.
Cheers Gary
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
wrote:
> Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went out of
business over
> a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the
Chronos DVD
> (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is in the
process of
> being resurrected
>
> quarlie@a... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, cjt999fire2000@y...
writes:
> >
> > >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three
> > >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on
> > >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on
> > >better quality formats..
> >
> > Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What a Blast) can be
bought on
> > DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get Canyon Dreams or
> > Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three Phase has not come
out on DVD,
> > although there was a laserdisc version (now out of print).
> >
> > --Daniel
> > NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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From:
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Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:52
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Subject: quichotte / pergamon
Isn't Pergamon the site of an ancient Hellenic civilisation somewhere in Greece?
I saw an archaelogical programme about it some time ago. Didn't it have
complex marble buildings which were copied for the Berlin museum?
David
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From:
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Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
E Neal Frost wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about
> Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is
> going to be on these trees yet? ...
TT#2 isn't nailed down yet. TT#3+? Who knows. Enjoy what you get and be
happy it is better than what you have. Trade away. Life's a crap shoot
after all.
Ciao -- Mark
> ... In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few
> people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these
> recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in
> the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My
> question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later
> trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without
> the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new'
> material not destined for a tree.
>
> Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling?
>
> Thanks for your time and understanding.
>
> Neal
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
From what I remember, TT2 is going to be mainly 80s concerts
..not sure about 3
Mark Filipak wrote:
> E Neal Frost wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about
> > Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is
> > going to be on these trees yet? ...
>
> TT#2 isn't nailed down yet. TT#3+? Who knows. Enjoy what you get and be
> happy it is better than what you have. Trade away. Life's a crap shoot
> after all.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
> > ... In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few
> > people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these
> > recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in
> > the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My
> > question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later
> > trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without
> > the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new'
> > material not destined for a tree.
> >
> > Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling?
> >
> > Thanks for your time and understanding.
> >
> > Neal
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
Walking on eggshells here... (I hope I haven't stepped on any toes, let
alone breaking ankles, with this)
Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree.
But of course, some will be very similar to bootlegs that are already
circulating, and some will be drastically different. The first few
Tangerine Trees are designed to close the gap between the widely
circulating crummy tapes and the best possible tapes. Eventually, it will
come down to brass tacks.
I have just accepted that nearly every recording I have will be obsolete in
the coming years. Whether it's an 'official' bootleg or CDR, or an Nth gen
fantape.
The simple fact of the matter is, original fantapes are being discovered in
drawers and closets left and right and slowly being released from the
diehard collectors and recording archivists. The diehards are working
behind the scenes doing a lot of research and contacting the original
tapers, aka the guys who held the tape recorder in the audience, and making
digital copies from there.
It is a shame that we collectors have dealt with the post office and lots
of work at trading to get these recordings we have now, or worse, have paid
a lot of money for bootlegs and now it all seems for naught. But at the
same time, I'm happy because we are finally getting something that doesn't
sound it's been run over by a truck and recorded in a swimming pool. Some
of the concerts that will be part of the Tangerine Tree are or will be
near-release quality.
The planned contents of Tangerine Tree #2 were posted to tadream a few
weeks ago and already a list of what will be in Tangerine Tree #3 is under
way. I think the choice of 1981 concert might change for TT2, but the
others are set in stone. It's a fact that the best recording we'll ever
hear of Apr 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall is going to be Tangerine Tree volume
9. And a great 1976 show in very good quality (8/10 after remastering?)
will be coming--aka Mannheim 76 (I brought a few of these which I
remastered to Okefenokee).
Basically, unless you are sure of what generation you are going to get
(1st, 2nd), I wouldn't bend over backwards to execute a trade. I hope I am
not hurting trading by saying this!
I am continually working on my website which lists all the concerts for
which I have a recording, some notes about each, and a list of all the old
bootlegs/CDRs/fantapes that each source replaces.
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
Ok, here's the posting that Heiko made to the list on April 16th regarding
the 2nd Tangerine Tree:
********************************************************************************
Hello Gang,
I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for the
next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks before
everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no need to
hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't received their
discs from TT1 ;-)
So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge parcel full of unreleased live
tapes this is what you will have to cope with: ;-)
Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert (source:
digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation audience tape)
2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2
CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation
tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk
recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum'
Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the
German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also includes
some tracks taken from TV broadcasts.
Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2
CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock'
(*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole
Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR,
but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st
gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a
bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the
tapes of Mannheim & Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same
time they both have some sort of relation to each other....what do you
think? Although I don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one
Volume, I think this could be an exception to the rule, and instead of
81 minutes we would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*)
Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs,
remastered by 'Jabberwock'
Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
rock for peace' (Part 1)
(Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by '3N'
Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful
rock for peace' (Part 2)
(Soundboard & portable DAT audience recording + excerpts from the Press
conference)
1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz.
********************************************************************************
********************************************************************************
I think if you were going to trade for these, you might want to wait (with
the exception of Lifted Curtain--go ahead and get it!), as they are in
production:
1980.01.31 Palast der Republik, Berlin (the 'Pergamon/Quichotte' evening
concert)
Yes, we have White Cloths, we have Lifted Curtain (the best possible
recording so far).
So what more is there to say? Well, Lifted Curtain is not the right
speed. It's being fixed and some tape hiss removal is being done (and if
it's not done carefully, I'll be the first to complain :))
Berlin Internationales Congress-Centrum January 26,1981
Hamburg Audimax February 24,1978
The clearest 78 concert I've heard. This and Don't Walk, Dream Now make
up the entire 'listenable' 78 collection.
Saarbrücken Universität 1st gen. January 24,1976
The sound quality is clear, but the concert is not particularly
exciting. Hard to believe that just 2 weeks later, they would play the
incredible Feb 9, 76 Brussels Johnson University show 'Danger Live'.
Osaka, Japan 1983
Best fantape recording of TD, hands down, re: sound quality.
Avery Fisher Hall, New York 1977
Remastering under way
the current tape is abysmal, I'm not sure what the starting point is
Seattle, Washington 1977
1st gen tape is under lock and key still :/
the widely distributed tape is a painful 4th gen
Birmingham Odeon March 17,1986 mixing deck
described as awesome
Oxford, UK (New Theater) 1981.10.15
there's a little contest going on between this and Newcastle 81 to see
which is better. :)
1981.08.29 Berlin Reichstag
The '81 soundtrack' concert, if you will. TD played 94 minutes straight.
1980.10.13 Brussels
The Nostragram CDR (which is simply incredible) was edited down from the
full concert tape.
No doubt we'll get the whole show in a future tree. (Go ahead and trade
for this if you like 1980 shows!)
1976.11.16 Brussels Ancienne
Mucho effort is being put into remastering this, especially the speed
adjustment.
1976.11.22 Paris Palais du Sport
The best possible tape of this is simply incredible, but is not
completely released yet. soon I hope.
1982.11.15 Berlin ICC
Who knows what the future will bring. I've got eyes, fingers, and toes
crossed (And first-born child papers drawn up).
*********************************************************************
*********************************************************************
There are a few recordings which are already the best possible source, and
the only thing inclusion in the Tangerine Tree will provide (to my
knowledge) is speed correction and tape hiss removal. Go ahead and trade
for these.:
1980.01.31 Palast der Republik - 'Lifted Curtain'
replaces Staatsgrenze West + White Cloths
1987.08.01 Berlin '20th Century Serenades' and 'Antarktis'
1988.09.06 Boston, MA 'At the Mountains of Madness'
replaces Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2
pristine soundboard recording
1990.02.20 Berlin Werner-Seelenbinder
pretty sure we have the 1st or 2nd gen already
1982.03.01 Melbourne, Australia 'Strange Attractions'
this is a 10/10 quality recording of the 2nd set and encores from FM radio
replaces Ratikon and Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane
1982.02.22 Sydney Regent Theater, Australia 'The Real Sohoman'
FM stereo recording -- very nice, but it has a ton of dropouts and glitches
This could be improved by cutting and pasting pieces to repair it.
Also, about 10 minutes in, for nearly 2 minutes, someone is playing an
instrument totally off-key which does not help things.
1983.12.10 Warsaw Ice Stadium afternoon and evening shows 'Dreaming on Ice
Stadium'
The Warsaw-Poland concerts. Not excellent quality, but certainly the
best I've heard and worthy of being put out on the tree.
maybe Tangerine Tree #3?
1986.06.08 Kiva, Albuquerque (Klaus B.'s tape)
You know what this is. :) There were some bad copies floating around.
This one is a very clear fan tape.
1986.03.29 Cologne, Germany (General Relativity)
Only 60 minutes of this is from the radio, the rest is an audience tape,
the audience part is subject to change
1977.04.10 Montreal 'CHOM-FM'
The entire concert in the same quality as Patrolling Space Borders
some remastering work is under way by 3N though
1978.02.19 Eissporthalle, Berlin (Don't Walk, Dream Now)
1977.03.31 Detroit, Michigan (Snackbar Dreamer in Detroit)
the best possible version known
*********************************************************************
-Morgan
At 01:07 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about Tangerine
>Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is going to be on
>these trees yet? In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few
>people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these
>recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in
>the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My
>question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later
>trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without
>the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new'
>material not destined for a tree.
>
>Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling?
>
>Thanks for your time and understanding.
>
>Neal
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
This is the TT2 listing posted here a dosen or so days ago:
Vol. 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 - 2CD
Vol. 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 - 2CD
Vol. 11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 - 2CD
Vol. 12: A compilation with 'lone tracks' - 2CD
Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 - 2CD
Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 - 2CD
Vol. 15: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (Part 1) - 2CD
Vol. 16: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (Part 2) - 1CD
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> [mailto:liquiduniverse@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:07 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
>
>
> From what I remember, TT2 is going to be mainly 80s concerts
> ..not sure about 3
>
> Mark Filipak wrote:
>
> > E Neal Frost wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about
> > > Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone
> know what is
> > > going to be on these trees yet? ...
> >
> > TT#2 isn't nailed down yet. TT#3+? Who knows. Enjoy what
> you get and be
> > happy it is better than what you have. Trade away. Life's a
> crap shoot
> > after all.
> >
> > Ciao -- Mark
> >
> > > ... In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few
> > > people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection.
> Now some of these
> > > recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am
> not complaining in
> > > the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My
> > > question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going
> to be on later
> > > trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with
> each other without
> > > the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set
> up trades for 'new'
> > > material not destined for a tree.
> > >
> > > Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time and understanding.
> > >
> > > Neal
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:29
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
I think it would still be better to get all the Tree, since, as far as I
know, the best recordings available are in it, and they're all (or most of
them? or some of them?) being remastered...
E Neal Frost wrote:
>My
> question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later
> trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without
> the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new'
> material not destined for a tree.
> Neal
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Alessandro'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:51
pm
Subject: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
....just to say that the original piece used by TD in Force Majeure was
composed by Arcangelo Corelli, an Italian Composer of Baroque period.
You can listen to the same piece in the Violin Sonata in d minor Opus 5
no.12 - Variation of the theme La Follia and you'll see that it's very
similar. It's wonderful!
Ciao
Alessandro
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
From: 'E Neal Frost'
> I have a question.
[snip]
Provisional concerts for TT2 are: Royal Albert Hall 75, Newcastle 81,
Birmingham 86, Mannheim 76, Saarbrucken 76, Paris 81, Warsaw 2001 and a
final volume which is being decided at the moment.
Maff
_______________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
www.eclipsecafe.com
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:21
pm
Subject: Artwork Status for TT2
This may be putting the cart before the horse, but has any work been
done on the artwork? Is the same cast of wonderfully talented
characters working on the artwork this time?
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote:
> From: 'E Neal Frost'
>
> > I have a question.
>
> [snip]
>
> Provisional concerts for TT2 are: Royal Albert Hall 75, Newcastle
81,
> Birmingham 86, Mannheim 76, Saarbrucken 76, Paris 81, Warsaw 2001
and a
> final volume which is being decided at the moment.
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:43
pm
Subject: January 31th 1980-Folder - page update by Rainer -
Hi everybody!
After having serious troubles with my computer systems during the last
months (too much to explain) I got the time to update my Tangerine
Dream site the first time this year.
I will (and I still do) update my page every day and add new items.
E.g.: A rare(?) original folder from the legendary East-Berlin concert
from the 31th of January 1980. It`s in the german language (if some-
body wants to translate - send the file!). I add the complete text
from the programm. It`s funny!
OK, stay tuned and have a look from time to time.
Rainer
See ya in Berlin, 15th June? I`ll be there.
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(BTW: I can do copies of CDRs again. I know I owe some of the
group members some disks since months - sorry for that)
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Artwork Status for TT2
From: 'maggior'
> This may be putting the cart before the horse, but has any work been
> done on the artwork? Is the same cast of wonderfully talented
> characters working on the artwork this time?
Same people as before, and you can see a rough preview of some of the covers
here:
http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/tt2prev/index.htm
Maff
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:22
pm
Subject: RE: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
I am glad to see another fan of Corelli on the list!
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Alessandro alessandro.ghera@t...
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:51:17 +0200
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
...just to say that the original piece used by TD in Force Majeure was
composed by Arcangelo Corelli, an Italian Composer of Baroque period.
You can listen to the same piece in the Violin Sonata in d minor Opus 5
no.12 - Variation of the theme La Follia and you'll see that it's very
similar. It's wonderful!
Ciao
Alessandro
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:18
am
Subject: Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
At 09:51 PM 5/15/02 +0200, you wrote:
>....just to say that the original piece used by TD in Force Majeure was
>composed by Arcangelo Corelli, an Italian Composer of Baroque period.
>You can listen to the same piece in the Violin Sonata in d minor Opus 5
>no.12 - Variation of the theme La Follia and you'll see that it's very
>similar. It's wonderful!
>
>Ciao
>
>Alessandro
Corelli's version of La Folia is indeed my favorite but he did not compose
the original theme. He certainly wrote an amazing set of variations
though! The origin dates back before Corelli's time in the area of Spain
or Portugal and the true composer is not known. You are right that
Corelli's version can be found in the Violin Sonata that you mentioned. Of
the many versions of this 'Theme and Variations' that I have heard, I like
Corelli's the best with Francesco Geminiani coming in 2nd.
Oscar
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:09
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
>1988.09.06 Boston, MA 'At the Mountains of Madness'
> replaces Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2
> pristine soundboard recording
My only gripe about this copy is that the guitar solo is clipped (as is
in 'Spherical Harmonics')! Aarrgh! Did everyone's tape stop at the
same time?
- jim
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:09
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork Status for TT2
From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...]
>From: 'maggior'
> This may be putting the cart before the horse, but has any work been
> done on the artwork? Is the same cast of wonderfully talented
> characters working on the artwork this time?
Same people as before, and you can see a rough preview of some of the
covers
here:
http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/tt2prev/index.htm
I'm drooling already! Printing and setting the covers was half the fun
for me on TT1. I even bought a new printer just for that (and upcoming)
projects!
- jim
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:12
am
Subject: Vision Quest DVD
Does anyone have this? Any cool features (i.e. isolated score) to make
it worth buying?
- jim
__________________________________________________
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moxica@m...
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:46
am
Subject: Spherical Harmonics
Hmm....i've only seen that one floating around.....been elusive for
me........any chance
someone out there has a decent copy of it avaliable...mp3, or otherwise?
Contact me off-list if this is a possibility.
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:12
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
I have a sampler DVD that has 'Canyon Carver' on it, along with stuff from
'The Mind's Eye', a selection from 'Desert Vision' by Lanz & Speer, and some
other stuff. This makes it seem that the DVD rights were sold to somebody
other than Miramar who would be releasing many of 'this kind' of video on
DVD.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went
> out of business over
> a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the
> Chronos DVD
> (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is
> in the process of
> being resurrected
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:13
am
Subject: Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
In a message dated 5/15/02 3:07:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
michaeljean@e... writes:
<< I am glad to see another fan of Corelli on the list!
MJ
>>
Make that three!
Poly
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:33
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork Status for TT2
The artwork looks great!!!!!
However the back of 11 should be made the front cover and I think it would
make a cool label too.
THE HIGHLANDER
From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD
No isolated score, sorry and I have only watched an hour(maybe) and only
heard about a minute or 2 of TD so far.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 08:12 PM 5/15/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have this? Any cool features (i.e. isolated score) to make
>it worth buying?
>
>- jim
>
>__________________________________________________
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
Some of those DVDs are still avaliable...in extremely limited numbers...for
example...Beyond The Mind's Eye...Tower Records claimed to have a few (read: 5
at most) copies of it in one of their warehouses.......your best bet would
probably be to try some of the used CD shops, which also carry used DVDs.
'Owens, James' wrote:
> I have a sampler DVD that has 'Canyon Carver' on it, along with stuff from
> 'The Mind's Eye', a selection from 'Desert Vision' by Lanz & Speer, and some
> other stuff. This makes it seem that the DVD rights were sold to somebody
> other than Miramar who would be releasing many of 'this kind' of video on
> DVD.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went
> > out of business over
> > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the
> > Chronos DVD
> > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is
> > in the process of
> > being resurrected
>
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:29
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD
>No isolated score, sorry and I have only watched an hour(maybe) and
only heard about a >minute or 2 of TD so far.
I recall the music only appears in the match scenes (and it's the same
music, too). So you're not missing much. But as much emphasis was
placed on the other musical artists in the movie, I wondered if there'd
be that option...
- jim
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD
Funny you ask this question Jim. I just watched it yesterday, but
unfortunately there are NO extra features, trailers, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Moore
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:12 PM
Subject: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD
> Does anyone have this? Any cool features (i.e. isolated score) to make
> it worth buying?
>
> - jim
>
> __________________________________________________
> Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> moxica@m...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:50
am
Subject: Three Phase Video
I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder if anyone is interested.
I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser to DVD for myself, and
looks excellent.
Martyn
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From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 6:05
am
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
This DVD release is called 'Decade'. Here in Hong Kong it is also scarce. The
Hong KOng version has a dark silver cover, so I believe it looks different from
the US release.
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Owens, James'
To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com''
Subject: RE: [tadream] DVD, CDrs
Date: Thu May 16 09:12:26 HKT 2002
I have a sampler DVD that has 'Canyon Carver' on it, along with stuff from
'The Mind's Eye', a selection from 'Desert Vision' by Lanz & Speer, and some
other stuff. This makes it seem that the DVD rights were sold to somebody
other than Miramar who would be releasing many of 'this kind' of video on
DVD.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went
> out of business over
> a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the
> Chronos DVD
> (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is
> in the process of
> being resurrected
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:00
am
Subject: OT: Werner Seelenbinder 1990
See, already I have to change something in my list.
I've got the 3rd generation FM radio of Werner Seelenbinder 1990. It's
pretty good but has some problems.
There is a 1st generation FM radio copy. We'll see it on the tree no doubt...
-Morgan
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
> Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree.
errm..... I don't believe there is big demand for hearing every single fantape
from
the 1990, 1992 or 1997 concert tours, and finding the 'source' (master tape
recordings or direct copies thereof) can be quite difficult as they don't grow
on
trees (pun intended ;-) For me the most important aspect and criteria is the
sound
quality, and still will be. I think it's enough if we include only one or two
recordings from the above mentioned tours, since the music played within a
concert
tour was basically identical. As most of you will know this wasn't the case with
TD's live concerts up to 1978, during the 70s each concert was more less
improvisational and 'unique'. And this is the period which I think the Tangerine
Tree should focus upon.
But of course my words are not carved in stone, and things may change.
> The simple fact of the matter is, original fantapes are being discovered in
> drawers and closets left and right and slowly being released from the
> diehard collectors and recording archivists.
It's not so much about discovering these fantapes (most of them were in
possession
for a long time), but to get things organized in the best possible way. That's
why
we have several people who are remastering these concerts for me, and I can't
praise
them high enough for what they have done so far, the results are exceptional
when
you compare the remastered versions to the originals. Just wait for the 2nd
Tangerine Tree and I think you will agree with me, I am much more confident
about
the new batch than I was about TT1.
> But at the same time, I'm happy because we are finally getting something that
> doesn't
> sound it's been run over by a truck and recorded in a swimming pool.
LOL.
> The planned contents of Tangerine Tree #2 were posted to tadream a few
> weeks ago and already a list of what will be in Tangerine Tree #3 is under
> way. I think the choice of 1981 concert might change for TT2, but the
> others are set in stone. It's a fact that the best recording we'll ever
> hear of Apr 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall is going to be Tangerine Tree volume
> 9. And a great 1976 show in very good quality (8/10 after remastering?)
> will be coming--aka Mannheim 76 (I brought a few of these which I
> remastered to Okefenokee).
the following concerts will form the 2nd Tangerine Tree:
Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 (CDR copy of BBC master tape,
plus
audience master tape)
Volume 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape)
Volume 11: Birmingham Odeon 17 March 1986 (2nd gen mixing desk or audience..I'm
still not sure what it is exactly ;-)
Volume 12: Croydon Fairfield Hall 31 October 1982 (audience master tape) ##this
replaces the 'Lone tracks' 2CDR compilation##
Volume 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 / Saarbrücken Universität 24
January
1976 (both audience master tapes)
Volume 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape)
Volume 15: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (soundboard recording, main
set)
Volume 16: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (encores & excerpts from
press
conference 30 August )
#redbook branches will need 15 CDRs (74 minute cdrs will do!) I don't know the
number of SHN CDRs yet ##
I can't give you an outlook on forthcoming 'Trees' yet as there will always be
some
changes in the list of concerts. At the moment this is what I am hoping to
include:
--20 April 1997 Amsterdam Melkweg Max DAT master
--31 January 1980 Berlin Palast der Republik evening show FM broadcast
--Lone tracks (maybe as an expanded 3 CDR version)
--Osaka Festival Hall 28 June 1983 (just maybe, and only if I get the allowance
from
the 'source')
--Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 (1st gen.)
--Manchester Hardrock 19 October 1975 (1st gen.)
etc etc. etc. ..lots of others to choose from.
Best regards
Heiko
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:26
am
Subject: m.
Hi,
did anybody wonder about the dedication on 'Inferno':
'This record is for M. in Allabmahs'
I guess M. stands for Monique/Monica. What is Allabmahs?
a.
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: Re: m.
Hello,
this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI.
But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'.
Regards
heiko
www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> did anybody wonder about the dedication on 'Inferno':
>
> 'This record is for M. in Allabmahs'
>
> I guess M. stands for Monique/Monica. What is Allabmahs?
>
> a.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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> - Woody Allen
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m.
In a message dated 5/16/2002 3:00:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
heiko@o... writes:
> this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI.
>
> But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'.
>
> Regards
> heiko
>
No one noticed it's Shamballa spelled backwards?
Poly
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:30
am
Subject: legend ultimate dvd
hi everyone
i have just recieved the legend ultimate dvd this morning, it has an isolated
score by tangerine dream, which is very easy to remove from the DVD :-) , i
have not checked to see if there is any new music included yet but there is a
re-creation of the faerie dance using rare photos, storyboards and orignal
music.
there is also an alternate opening with the four goblins, not sure if the music
is different here.
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
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ICQ 41739379
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:33
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree
Heiko,
I like the changes on the next tree!
Including Saarbrucken. Again, it's a matter sound quality, so it makes
sense to bundle it on the CDR with Mannheim.
Yes, I understand that for the 1988 tour, At the Mountains of Madness (Keen
Auricle) will probably suffice, for the 1990 tour, one or two recordings
will do the trick (of course Werner Seelenbinder 1st gen!!, the 1992 tour,
1997 tour, etc.
>--31 January 1980 Berlin Palast der Republik evening show FM broadcast
Lifted Curtain, after a trip to the dry cleaners? :) :)
>--Osaka Festival Hall 28 June 1983 (just maybe, and only if I get the
>allowance
>from the 'source')
I think Al's spidey-sense is tingling!
>--Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 (1st gen.)
Heaven!
I think Neal Frost had a very valid question, namely 'What should I wait
for and what should I go ahead and get?'
-Morgan
From:
chris towers
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DVD, CDrs
Thanks for all the feedback on that folks, ill get
looking into it, thanks again
Chris
--- hyperboreauk wrote:
> --- In tadream@y..., Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
> Hi I got Canyon Dreams on DVD about a month ago from
> play.com and
> they are still showing it in stock at the moment.
> Cheers Gary
>
> www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
>
>
> wrote:
> > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get
> now....Miramar went out of
> business over
> > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able
> to get the
> Chronos DVD
> > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least
> Chronos is in the
> process of
> > being resurrected
> >
> > quarlie@a... wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM,
> cjt999fire2000@y...
> writes:
> > >
> > > >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on
> Three
> > > >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin
> on
> > > >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them
> on
> > > >better quality formats..
> > >
> > > Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What
> a Blast) can be
> bought on
> > > DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get
> Canyon Dreams or
> > > Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three
> Phase has not come
> out on DVD,
> > > although there was a laserdisc version (now out
> of print).
> > >
> > > --Daniel
> > > NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar
> > >
> > >
>
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From:
chris towers
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Phase Video
Yeah im interested in that one. Let me know more
details......
Chris
--- tadreaming@c... wrote:
> I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder
> if anyone is interested.
> I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser
> to DVD for myself, and
> looks excellent.
>
> Martyn
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m.
Shamballa, 'the place where the wise ones dwell'.....
To be honest, I have a strange feeling about these quotes.
But I close this topic for me here.
armin
>
> > this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI.
> >
> > But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'.
> >
> > Regards
> > heiko
> >
>
> No one noticed it's Shamballa spelled backwards?
> Poly
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From:
'Simon Pride'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:43
am
Subject: RE: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Sent: 16 May 2002 02:13
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
>
>
> In a message dated 5/15/02 3:07:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> michaeljean@e... writes:
>
> << I am glad to see another fan of Corelli on the list!
>
> MJ
> >>
>
> Make that three!
> Poly
Four.
And Vivaldi's version rocks too.
--
S
From:
'Phil White'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] m.
Hi,
Maybe if you read the word backwards enlightenment could be within
your grasp....... ;o)
Regards
Phil
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 10:02
am
Subject: Re: quichotte / pergamon
--- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote:
> Isn't Pergamon the site of an ancient Hellenic civilisation
somewhere in Greece?
No, it (originally called Pergamum) is the site of an ancient
Hellenic civilisation in what is now Turkey. The place still exists,
today's name is BERGAMA (hey, isn't that the name of another TD boot?)
> I saw an archaelogical programme about it some time ago. Didn't
it have complex marble buildings which were copied for the Berlin
museum?
No, it had complex marble buildings which were removed and brought to
the Berlin museum (the originals, no copies) in 1902. Specifically,
almost the entire temple of Pergamon, where according to christian
belief 'Satan was defeated' (book of revelations), is now located in
Berlin. When you travel to Bergama, Turkey, you see a bunch of small
ruins and lots of big signs everywhere that say 'this was the site of
such and such which can now be seen in Berlin, Germany'.
Arne
From:
'heineu'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:45
pm
Subject: Re: m.
Hello,
so on following link you can read more about SHAMBALLA:
http://www.lucistrust.org/arcane/shambpamp1.shtml#top
Definitions
Shamballa is simply a word conveying the idea of a vast focal point
of energies which are assembled and brought together by the planetary
Logos in order to create a manifestation adequate to His unfolding
intention and planetary service.
(Discipleship in the New Age, Vol. II, p. 404)
Shamballa is a state of consciousness or a phase of sensitive
awareness wherein there is acute and dynamic response to divine
purpose--a response made possible by the synthesis of purpose and of
spiritual relationship which exists between those who are associated
with Sanat Kumara.
(The Rays and the Initiations, p. 276)
about SHAMBALLA no more words from me.
Regards
heiko - mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
--- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote:
> Hi,
> Maybe if you read the word backwards enlightenment could be within
> your grasp....... ;o)
>
> Regards
>
> Phil
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 3:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD
I had free preview tix for that movie when it came out in 1985 and was glad
be mong the first to hear the new TD music. I was also thrilled that a S/T
was being released. Imagine my disappointment, when no TD was on the
album... Though Madonna was there...;^)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:30 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD
>
>
>
> >No isolated score, sorry and I have only watched an hour(maybe) and
> only heard about a >minute or 2 of TD so far.
>
> I recall the music only appears in the match scenes (and it's the same
> music, too). So you're not missing much. But as much emphasis was
> placed on the other musical artists in the movie, I wondered if there'd
> be that option...
>
> - jim
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m.
>Shamballa is simply a word conveying the idea of a vast focal point
>of energies which are assembled and brought together by the planetary
>Logos in order to create a manifestation adequate to His unfolding
>intention and planetary service.
>
>(Discipleship in the New Age, Vol. II, p. 404)
>
>Shamballa is a state of consciousness or a phase of sensitive
>awareness wherein there is acute and dynamic response to divine
>purpose--a response made possible by the synthesis of purpose and of
>spiritual relationship which exists between those who are associated
>with Sanat Kumara.
>
>(The Rays and the Initiations, p. 276)
OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music?
I'd've suggested that it's an anagram. Here're a few possibilites...
---
Samba Hall
Halma Slab (halma is a type of board game)
Ham as Ball
Hal Balsam
Bash a Mall
Al Has Lamb
---
John Vertical
np: Brother or Stranger, from EO. What cruel joke is this??
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m.
'OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music?'
New Age? Just what is this New Age?
The word 'Shamballa' is older than TD and most of us as well (well not us
aliens anyway).
Just what are you trying to say?
;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m.
> >Shamballa is simply a word conveying the idea of a vast focal point
> >of energies which are assembled and brought together by the planetary
> >Logos in order to create a manifestation adequate to His unfolding
> >intention and planetary service.
> >
> >(Discipleship in the New Age, Vol. II, p. 404)
> >
> >Shamballa is a state of consciousness or a phase of sensitive
> >awareness wherein there is acute and dynamic response to divine
> >purpose--a response made possible by the synthesis of purpose and of
> >spiritual relationship which exists between those who are associated
> >with Sanat Kumara.
> >
> >(The Rays and the Initiations, p. 276)
>
>
> OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music?
>
> I'd've suggested that it's an anagram. Here're a few possibilites...
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Three Phase Video
Hi,
I would be greatly interested, because I await an DVD release of this
concert already for a long time.
To come to trading:
I'm collecting TD (and others) mainly as MP3s.
Maybe we could find something there or some other way.
Thanks in advance
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: tadreaming@c... [mailto:tadreaming@c...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 07:50
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Three Phase Video
>
>
> I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder if anyone
> is interested.
> I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser to DVD
> for myself, and
> looks excellent.
>
> Martyn
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: Rückruf: [tadream] Three Phase Video
Herbert möchte die Nachricht '[tadream] Three Phase Video' zurückrufen.
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: good vs bad
>Edgar noted how silly that
system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music,
where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty.
Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????<
obviously 'good' and 'bad' editing.
--T
np TG In The Shadow of the Sun
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 6:08
pm
Subject: re m
So do you think Shamballah describes Inferno well?
God that print is small on the CD booklet, nearly had to get the microscope out.
David
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From:
'Alessandro'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:30
pm
Subject: R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
Corelli's version of La Folia is indeed my favorite but he did not
compose
the original theme. He certainly wrote an amazing set of variations
though! The origin dates back before Corelli's time in the area of
Spain
or Portugal and the true composer is not known. You are right that
Corelli's version can be found in the Violin Sonata that you mentioned.
Of
the many versions of this 'Theme and Variations' that I have heard, I
like
Corelli's the best with Francesco Geminiani coming in 2nd.
Oscar
http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
I know that Corelli didn't compose the original theme of la Folia and I
know also that La Folia was an ancient Portuguese dance, I wanted just
say that the Folia theme used by TD in Force Majeure is the Corelli
variation of the original theme. I'm agree with you about the Francesco
Geminiani, but his composition was a variation of Corelli's theme.
Alessandro
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From:
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Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1345
<<>>
Shamballa spelled backwards?
Thought I think it's normally spelled Shambhalla in English.
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:54
pm
Subject: Shamballa
Oops... I think I may have zipped my response off without changing the subject
line. I'm very sorry about that!!!
And... I'm in digest mode here, so all of you 'enlightened ones' are already
way ahead of me in responding to that question. Oh well!!!
:-)
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:58
pm
Subject: New Age
So is 'New Age' for that matter... A.R. Orage edited a literary journal named
The New Age back in the '20s. And all of this 'new age' thought business was
going on in Russia over 100 years ago, so we should really be calling it 'Old
Age!'
:-)
<<
Subject: Re: Re: m.
'OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music?'
New Age? Just what is this New Age?
The word 'Shamballa' is older than TD and most of us as well (well not us
aliens anyway).
Just what are you trying to say?
;-)
dale>>>
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 10:00
pm
Subject: 'good' vs. 'bad'
For me it would have to do with the quality of feeling and intention with which
one struck the ctrl-v and ctrl-c keys!
(Read command-v and command-c if you're on the Mac!)
:-)
<<
Subject: good vs bad
>Edgar noted how silly that
system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music,
where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty.
Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????<
obviously 'good' and 'bad' editing.
--T
np TG In The Shadow of the Sun>>>
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd
>hi everyone
>i have just recieved the legend ultimate dvd this morning, it has an
isolated score by tangerine dream, which is very easy to remove from the DVD
:-) , i have not checked to see if there is any new music included yet but
there is a re-creation of the faerie dance using rare photos, storyboards
and orignal music.
>there is also an alternate opening with the four goblins, not sure if the
music is different here.
>
>Duncan McKee
You lucky dog! That's not fair that you get it first and you're not even in
region 1! ;-) I've had it on preorder for a couple of months now, and
hopefully I'll get it no later than the street date (next Tuesday). I would
imagine that the isolated score is still a bit hard to listen to, given the
crappy editing that was done to it. Though, I'll probably still copy it to
minidisc. I'm really looking forward to watching the extended cut.
Dave B.
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:38
am
Subject: AW: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd
i've ordered mine too today.
play.com (in GB) seems to ship the DVD already these days while the others
(in the US) are waiting for the US release date (21.5.).
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Mai 2002 01:40
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd
>
>
> >hi everyone
> >i have just recieved the legend ultimate dvd this morning, it has an
> isolated score by tangerine dream, which is very easy to
> remove from the DVD
> :-) , i have not checked to see if there is any new music
> included yet but
> there is a re-creation of the faerie dance using rare
> photos, storyboards
> and orignal music.
> >there is also an alternate opening with the four goblins,
> not sure if the
> music is different here.
> >
> >Duncan McKee
>
> You lucky dog! That's not fair that you get it first and
> you're not even in
> region 1! ;-) I've had it on preorder for a couple of months now, and
> hopefully I'll get it no later than the street date (next
> Tuesday). I would
> imagine that the isolated score is still a bit hard to listen
> to, given the
> crappy editing that was done to it. Though, I'll probably
> still copy it to
> minidisc. I'm really looking forward to watching the extended cut.
>
> Dave B.
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'good' vs. 'bad'
Wait... would this have to do with anything like playing all in minor keys?
Good / bad or maybe the Good the Bad and the Ugly?
Hey wait, that might imply that bad isn't ugly or good isn't ugly or ugly is
just ugly?? or maybe it is just the opposite?
Seriously, it would be up to the creator of the piece to term it good or
bad. What we as viewers see it is another world. So if Edgar wished to cut
and paste here and there, and he is happy with it, then that is great. If we
view it as bad, that is our opinions. Which count? Both? only one or a
little of each?
I buy TD because it is TD. I might not like (and very true here) everyone
thing I hear. I do enjoy what I do like a lot.
So if I had to wade thru two stacks of music, termed good and bad. You will
find me wading thru two stacks of music. Just like I do not listen to
critics about movies much either.
;-) rr r r rr rrrrrr I got me good eye out today...
dale
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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: [tadream] 'good' vs. 'bad'
> For me it would have to do with the quality of feeling and intention with
which one struck the ctrl-v and ctrl-c keys!
>
> (Read command-v and command-c if you're on the Mac!)
>
> :-)
>
>
> << Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:45:17 -0700
> From: 'tei waz'
> Subject: good vs bad
>
> >Edgar noted how silly that
> system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music,
> where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty.
>
> Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????<
>
> obviously 'good' and 'bad' editing.
>
> --T
>
> np TG In The Shadow of the Sun>>>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:26
am
Subject: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
Is there going to be a DWT III?
I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot?
I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
effort, move in some general direction but move.
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:35
am
Subject: Monday
The 20th is rapidly on it's way. That day is special. This is the day I get
the A5000. I already started a collection of things I found on the net to
use.
Has anybody noticed Carvin's new amp? 4 channels in one rack unit? 1000
watts each channel or bridge it for more?
With 6 outs of the A5000, I think I can more rapidly do a surround effect.
The possibilities of doing Tanagram in 3d come to mind first.
;-)
dale
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
In a message dated 5/16/02 9:22:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
admin@k... writes:
<< I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
effort, move in some general direction but move.
dale >>
Why the rush?
Poly
From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:31
am
Subject: Logos
Now I know that actually people can fly...
At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
:o)
ArtOfVision
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos
> Now I know that actually people can fly...
> At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
> :o)
I had the same feeling when I first listened to 'Logos'..this was the first
TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my most favourite albums
ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it doesn't sound dated at
all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was inredible!! :-)
Heiko
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos
> > Now I know that actually people can fly...
> > At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
> > :o)
Actually I floated around when I heard it last summer.
> I had the same feeling when I first listened to
> 'Logos'..this was the first
> TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my
> most favourite albums
> ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it
> doesn't sound dated at
> all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was
> inredible!! :-)
The first few minutes I was expecting something
complitely different and then I was blown away. The
best moment is after the 'wake-up' -part.
Regards,
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos
>The
>best moment is after the 'wake-up' -part.
Please excuse a dumb question, but which one exactly is the 'wake-up'? The
one with the soft drumbeat and the wonderful instrumental solo, the weird
sound effects during the organ section, or what? TD's homepage says it's in
'the 2nd quarter', but of Part 1 or of the whole Logos?
John Vertical
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Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re m
ok, I said I'd not dive deeper into this, but now I do...
on DMIII is another mysterious dedication to M. (still guess
its Monique/Monika). Something like
'...to you in ethereal love'
a.
>
> So do you think Shamballah describes Inferno well?
>
>
> God that print is small on the CD booklet, nearly had to get the microscope
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From:
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Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:27
am
Subject: Re: R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure
Hi,
is this on Corelli's Violin Sonata No. 5 ?
Anybody has a list of decent recordings of this?
a.
>
> Corelli's version of La Folia is indeed my favorite but he did not
> compose
> the original theme. He certainly wrote an amazing set of variations
> though! The origin dates back before Corelli's time in the area of
> Spain
> or Portugal and the true composer is not known. You are right that
> Corelli's version can be found in the Violin Sonata that you mentioned.
> Of
> the many versions of this 'Theme and Variations' that I have heard, I
> like
> Corelli's the best with Francesco Geminiani coming in 2nd.
>
> Oscar
> http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
>
> I know that Corelli didn't compose the original theme of la Folia and I
> know also that La Folia was an ancient Portuguese dance, I wanted just
> say that the Folia theme used by TD in Force Majeure is the Corelli
> variation of the original theme. I'm agree with you about the Francesco
> Geminiani, but his composition was a variation of Corelli's theme.
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos
In a message dated 5/17/2002 5:18:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> Please excuse a dumb question, but which one exactly is the 'wake-up'?
*Listen again and you'll hear a sample of a voice saying 'wake up' right
after this rhythm part.... it goes:
chika-chika-chika WAKE UP!
Poly
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From:
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Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a
DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email.
Admin wrote:
> Is there going to be a DWT III?
> I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot?
>
> I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
> effort, move in some general direction but move.
>
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos
Logos just plain kicks-ass!
TheInfection wrote:
> > > Now I know that actually people can fly...
> > > At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
> > > :o)
>
> Actually I floated around when I heard it last summer.
>
> > I had the same feeling when I first listened to
> > 'Logos'..this was the first
> > TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my
> > most favourite albums
> > ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it
> > doesn't sound dated at
> > all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was
> > inredible!! :-)
>
> The first few minutes I was expecting something
> complitely different and then I was blown away. The
> best moment is after the 'wake-up' -part.
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:03
am
Subject: Logos 'Wake Up'
>John Vertical said:
>Please excuse a dumb question, but which one exactly is the 'wake-up'? The
>one with the soft drumbeat and the wonderful instrumental solo, the weird
>sound effects during the organ section, or what?
It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone
shoppe for you!
Regardless of which version of Logos you have,
13:58-19:55 Logos 'Wake Up'
19:56-25:20 Logos 'Blue'
Logos 'Blue' is widely considered the crown jewel of the 1982
October-November tour (and also heard in the some 83 shows, and reprised in
a remixed form for nearly every concert tour from 1988 to 2000).
>TD's homepage says it's in
>'the 2nd quarter', but of Part 1 or of the whole Logos?
It's the 2nd quarter of the SBM edition of the CD. That CD is ~50 minutes
long; 50 divided by 4 = 12.5. So they're right to suggest you look for it
in the 12 1/2 - 25 minutes region.
But this note is not very useful for people who have the original pressing
of Logos on CD, with the break at 25 minutes in! Not only does the SBM
edition erase this unnecessary gap at the 25 minute mark, but it also
improves upon the sound quality.
And for the obligatory Concert notation, Logos contains 50 minutes of
music, mostly unretouched, from a tour whose shortest shows were 1 hour 40
minutes, 24 minutes of which have never been properly released. The rest of
this is, admittedly, aurally pleasing live versions of tracks from Exit and
White Eagle.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:10
am
Subject: Logos 'Blue'
>I said:
>in the some 83 shows
(yes, I'm talking to myself)
Rule #20491 don't expect grammar of any sort at 6am.
I should have gone ahead and put in the detail of when this track was heard
in 1983...
At the Fassbinder memorial concert on June 11, 1983.
And at the (5) TD shows in Japan in June 1983, in the 2nd set.
-Morgan
P.S. (5) shows in Japan? Another TD mystery which can only be resolved by
finding lucky campers who attended these shows. This is a VitD vs.
newspaper clippings issue.
From:
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Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:21
pm
Subject: Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
And I will most certainly create something specially for DWT3 too.
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid:
> According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a
> DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
jerome
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
ionic's got a couple of tracks ready for DWT3 as well...
jerome
--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> And I will most certainly create something specially for DWT3 too.
>
> Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid:
> > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a
> > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email.
>
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From:
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Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:38
am
Subject: Re: Logos
Do you all feel similarly about the boot 'Logotypes'???
---Jeff
--- In tadream@y..., Art Of Vision wrote:
> Now I know that actually people can fly...
> At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
> :o)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
>It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone
>shoppe for you!
Doh. I always though that it was just another two clashes. And didn't
realize either that it is _literally_ 'wake-up!'
>It's the 2nd quarter of the SBM edition of the CD. That CD is ~50 minutes
>long; 50 divided by 4 = 12.5. So they're right to suggest you look for it
>in the 12 1/2 - 25 minutes region.
>
>But this note is not very useful for people who have the original pressing
>of Logos on CD, with the break at 25 minutes in! Not only does the SBM
>edition erase this unnecessary gap at the 25 minute mark, but it also
>improves upon the sound quality.
Actually, it's not very useful for anyone - the website lists Logos in the
two-part form, so it is quite misleading.
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:57
pm
Subject: Re: Logos 'Wake Up'
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> >It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the
headphone
> >shoppe for you!
>
> Doh. I always though that it was just another two clashes. And
didn't
> realize either that it is _literally_ 'wake-up!'
I really doubt they're saying Wake-up!
It doesn't really sound like that to me.
I think it's not a word at all...just as they did on
Tangram, White Eagle and others.
To me it sounds like etha (only don't say it the american way).
Logos...a fine, still adventurous, album. Together with Poland
the last one.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:56
pm
Subject: Logotypes
>zathrus13 said:
>
>Do you all feel similarly (actually people can fly) about the boot
>'Logotypes'???
>
>
>---Jeff
Re: Logotypes
Not all of the music in the first set of these October-November 82 shows
was as impressive as the music in the second set (which the official Logos
CD mostly contains). However there are 4 themes in the first set which
should have been released which were not. (Tangent pt 1 ended up being
released on the Poland disc(s)). That leaves us with 3, plus the alternate
version of Choronzon.
If Edgar came to me and said, 'Ok smart guy, put together a disc of Logos
from the master tape, but just put it on one CD,' well after I picked
myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the current Logos
release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording of the ending. Then I'd
add 4 more tracks to it. If you have Logotypes handy, these are tracks 2,
3, 7, and I would put the second half of Choronzon (track 8)--the part
that's more developed.
That gives us 70 minutes.
Then I'd beg Edgar to let me include two 1981 tour themes which have never
been released to my knowledge as bonus tracks.
For anyone who has a fall 81 audience tape handy, this is the music from
about 21:00 to 32:00 (After Sobornost and before Bondy Parade).
-Morgan
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 2:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos 'Wake Up'
mars103nl wrote:
>
> I really doubt they're saying Wake-up!
> It doesn't really sound like that to me.
The official TD website says:
( http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html )
'On Logos, live in London, TD used the first sampling unit ever. Listen
to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part I and pay attention to the line
»Wake-up!«.'
Antonio
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logotypes
On 17 May 2002 at 8:56, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the
> current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording of
> the ending.
Is that the ending they used during the concert of the Hammersmith
bootleg fame? That's still the best piece of Logos-esque melody I've
heard in my life.
Dennis
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: 'Poland' in 'Fassbinder' question
Howdy!
I'm listening to Fassbinder and the second half, except for the 'Flying
Kamakazi' finale is 'from' Poland, the second part of track 1.
But Fassbinder predates the Torwar Ice Stadium show (and the intervening
Japan tour) by a 1/2 year (or by a 1/2 month in the case of Japan).
My question is this: Is Fassbinder the first time this piece was played in
public? (...anyone? Morgan?...)
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
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Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:06
pm
Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2003
I just updated my webpage for Ricochet Gathering 2003 and my Tangerine Dream
trade/want list at:
http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm
I hope to add links and other information about the 2002 event sometime
soon.
VicRek
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
Who is rushing? I know if the ball isn't rolling, it wont get started. I
like to plan and have projects moving. Even if they take 6 or more months. I
hate it when you got 2 days.
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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
> In a message dated 5/16/02 9:22:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> admin@k... writes:
>
> << I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
> effort, move in some general direction but move.
>
> dale >>
>
> Why the rush?
> Poly
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:16
pm
Subject: faerie dance from legend
hi
i have ripped and encoded the faerie dance clip from the legend ultimate
edition dvd and uploaded it to my website tangram@t... it is in
realvideo so the picture quality is no the best, but you can hear the audio OK,
here is the shortcut for the lazy peolpe who cannot wait for my site to load :-)
http://www.members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/dance.rm
the isolated score is infact a direct port from the cd, very annoying. the
alternate beggining has music by jerry goldsmith so nothing new there.
ENJOY!!!!!!!!!
Duncan McKee
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:22
pm
Subject: Logos 'wake up'
Yipes, I always thought is was 'breakdown!'
<<>>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
You are way ahead of me already. 2 Tracks ready. I just don't want to run up
on a dead line. Hence why I prodding now.
dale
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From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
> According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a
> DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email.
>
>
>
> Admin wrote:
>
> > Is there going to be a DWT III?
> > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot?
> >
> > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
> > effort, move in some general direction but move.
> >
> > dale
> >
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-)
> It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone
> shoppe for you!
>
>
> Regardless of which version of Logos you have,
>
> 13:58-19:55 Logos 'Wake Up'
> 19:56-25:20 Logos 'Blue'
>
From:
atye@a...
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
pfellows@c... writes:
> I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-)
>
I think that the TDI website cleared this up already
(thanks Antonio)
ATYE
http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html
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From:
'jon tim'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:57
pm
Subject: LEGEND 2xDVD ULTIMATE EDITION
Legend 2 DVD Ultimate Edition
I received my set today Fri 17/5/02
Looks very promising .... but the insert seems to suggest that
Ridley Scot preferred the Jerry Goldsmith Score ... this is the version
that is refered to as the Directors Cut on the DVD1 which contains 'found'
scenes etc etc.....
Funny I always thought his preference was for the TD scored version!
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Logos tour
>Dennis Nigbur said:
>
>On 17 May 2002 at 8:56, Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> > picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the
> > current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording of
> > the ending.
>
>Is that the ending they used during the concert of the Hammersmith
>bootleg fame? That's still the best piece of Logos-esque melody I've
>heard in my life.
>
>Dennis
You mean the Nov 5th Birmingham Odeon 1982 show?
-Morgan
(I think I know where this is going re: 3 Tier Dream)
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: 'Poland'
>Howdy!
>
>I'm listening to Fassbinder and the second half, except for the 'Flying
>Kamakazi' finale is 'from' Poland, the second part of track 1.
>
>But Fassbinder predates the Torwar Ice Stadium show (and the intervening
>Japan tour) by a 1/2 year (or by a 1/2 month in the case of Japan).
>
>My question is this: Is Fassbinder the first time this piece was played in
>public? (...anyone? Morgan?...)
>
>Ciao -- Mark
The Fassbinder concert is the first time any significant new 'Poland' music
would be heard live, aside from the first movement of Tangent which
premiered on the October-November 1982 Logos tour.
The first 4 minute movement of Horizon, and then the 2nd and 3rd movements
of 'Poland' were all introduced at the Fassbinder concert on
June 11, 1983.
2 1/2 weeks later, the entire 3 movements of 'Poland' would premiere on the
4 (5?) venue Japan 1983 tour in a rather long-winded but beautiful 30
minute version. In the various fall Germany and Poland shows, 'Poland' was
a more sensible 26 minutes.
1983 has proven a very difficult year to research for TD history. From the
Japan 83 shows (Were there 4 or 5?, and besides the Osaka show, the other
dates may not be locked down just yet), to the various Germany and Poland
shows, things have been difficult to verify. The only fall concerts that
seem set in stone are the Dec 10 83 'Warsaw' afternoon and evening shows of
legend (one power outage on the Afternoon show, and whose only encore was
Choronzon), the November 26 Dresden, East Germany Hygienemuseum (Kongress
Saal) concert, and the August 30 Athens, Greece Lycabettus Theatre (long
labeled an 84 show, even by the band!?--see Dream Roots), both of which
shared the same basic content as the Warsaw shows.
Johannes Schmoelling surprised us all by posting a scanned ticket to the
November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle show, for
which there was previously known record in the TD community.
-Morgan
Logos and Poland trivia buff
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1346
> From: 'Admin'
> Subject: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
>
> Is there going to be a DWT III?
> I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot?
>
> I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
> effort, move in some general direction but move.
>
> dale
>
Yes, but where are all the responses to DWT2? Reviews, comments, feedback,
anything...am I looking in the wrong places?
I believe some record label or other was going to offer to release an album for
the best reviewed contributor, but it must be difficult to choose one when
there ain't no reviews to choose from :-)
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:34
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Logos 'Wake Up'
> From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...]
>
> The official TD website says:
> ( http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html )
> 'On Logos, live in London, TD used the first sampling unit ever.
Listen
> to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part I and pay attention to the line
> >Wake-up!<.'
>
Ah okay. :-)
Shows I've not been there for ages.
Marcel
http;//home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
Yeah, but their music is always open to interpretation, that's my version
and I'm sticking to it..
Paul
le 17/05/02 17:43, atye@a... à atye@a... a écrit :
> pfellows@c... writes:
>
>
>> I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-)
>>
>
> I think that the TDI website cleared this up already
> (thanks Antonio)
> ATYE
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html
>
>
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos tour
Birmingham? News to me, but yes - I do mean the 3Tier Dream
concert.
Dennis
On 17 May 2002 at 10:58, Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Dennis Nigbur said:
> >
> >On 17 May 2002 at 8:56, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > > picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the
> > > current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording
> > > of the ending.
> >
> >Is that the ending they used during the concert of the Hammersmith
> >bootleg fame? That's still the best piece of Logos-esque melody I've
> >heard in my life.
> >
> >Dennis
>
> You mean the Nov 5th Birmingham Odeon 1982 show?
>
> -Morgan
> (I think I know where this is going re: 3 Tier Dream)
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] faerie dance from legend
I'm assuming the music in this clip is Goldsmith?
> -----Original Message-----
> hi
> i have ripped and encoded the faerie dance clip from the
> legend ultimate edition dvd and uploaded it to my website
> tangram@t... it is in realvideo so the picture
> quality is no the best, but you can hear the audio OK, here
> is the shortcut for the lazy peolpe who cannot wait for my
> site to load :-)
> http://www.members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/dance.rm
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:05
pm
Subject: Wake - up
When the Wake-up sample was first played the people I went to the concert with
were wondering what was behind it. Who did TD want to Wake-Up? What did
they want people to wake up to?
And the title. Well who thought it meant logos as in trademark badge as
opposed to the word of god incarnate?
Consensus was that Wake - up meant to spirituality.
Another favourite sample is the Bushbabies....... whichever album that was on.
Now what inspired that?
Another all time favourite sample has to be on Assassin by The Orb. But
that's a whole track not just occasional words.
David
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Poland'
Hi Morgan!
> Mark Filipak [me!] wrote:
> >
> > I'm listening to Fassbinder and the second half, except for the
> > 'Flying Kamakazi' finale is 'from' Poland, the second part of track 1.
> >
> > But Fassbinder predates the Torwar Ice Stadium show (and the
> > intervening Japan tour) by a 1/2 year (or by a 1/2 month in the case
> > of Japan).
> >
> > My question is this: Is Fassbinder the first time this piece was
> > played in public? (...anyone? Morgan?...)
To which Morgan Feldon graciously replied:
>
> The Fassbinder concert is the first time any significant new 'Poland'
> music would be heard live, aside from the first movement of Tangent
> which premiered on the October-November 1982 Logos tour.
>
> The first 4 minute movement of Horizon, and then the 2nd and 3rd
> movements of 'Poland' were all introduced at the Fassbinder concert on
> June 11, 1983.
I did bring this up and so I don't want to quibble, and I do have a lot of
respect for you, Morgan (except that I still think you're too hard on
Edgar sometimes), but '2nd and 3rd movements of 'Poland''. Whatever do you
mean?
If it's handy, do you have track times for what you are calling the '2nd
and 3rd movements of 'Poland''? Please don't bother yourself if you don't
already have this written down.
I have always divided the 'Poland' track like this:
(intro/atmosphere) [0:48]
1 Poland 1 [10:42]
(aka: Love on a Polish Train)
(bridge 1-2) [2:26]
2 Poland 2 [8:46]
(bridge 2-3) [0:37]
Are you, perchance, calling the bridge that I designate as 'bridge 1-2',
'movement 2'? -- what I have as 'Poland 2' would become 'movement 3' or
'Poland 3'. If you are, I certainly wouldn't argue as one person's bridge
may very well be another person's movement. If not, then I'm very curious
about how you *are* dividing this track up as I can't imagine how the two
main themes could be further subdivided.
Morgan then provides the very informative color comentary following:
>
> 2 1/2 weeks later, the entire 3 movements of 'Poland' would premiere
> on the 4 (5?) venue Japan 1983 tour in a rather long-winded but
> beautiful 30 minute version. In the various fall Germany and Poland
> shows, 'Poland' was a more sensible 26 minutes.
>
> 1983 has proven a very difficult year to research for TD history. From
> the Japan 83 shows (Were there 4 or 5?, and besides the Osaka show,
> the other dates may not be locked down just yet), to the various
> Germany and Poland shows, things have been difficult to verify. The
> only fall concerts that seem set in stone are the Dec 10 83 'Warsaw'
> afternoon and evening shows of legend (one power outage on the
> Afternoon show, and whose only encore was Choronzon), the November 26
> Dresden, East Germany Hygienemuseum (Kongress Saal) concert, and the
> August 30 Athens, Greece Lycabettus Theatre (long labeled an 84 show,
> even by the band!?--see Dream Roots), both of which shared the same
> basic content as the Warsaw shows.
I found a reference somewhere -- sorry, I wasn't so meticulous at that
time -- to a 31 Aug 83, Athens show. Has this definitely been debunked?
> Johannes Schmoelling surprised us all by posting a scanned ticket to
> the November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle show,
> for which there was previously known record in the TD community.
Oooo. Do you have this scan? I'd sure like to get it.
Thanks for providing such a wonderful answer to my quest for the origins
of 'Poland'. Ciao -- Mark
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:45
pm
Subject: Re: Logos
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
> > Now I know that actually people can fly...
> > At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
> > :o)
>
> I had the same feeling when I first listened to 'Logos'..this was
the first
> TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my most favourite
albums
> ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it doesn't sound
dated at
> all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was inredible!! :-)
>
> Heiko
Awesome Awesome Awesome,a sublime album from a then inspired
Tangerine Dream,good grief,if only these young whippersnappers of our
day knew what they were missing,and my ten year old son has just
startind blasting Linkin Park,im just about Crawling back into the
shed out the garden.Tangerine Dream-the Magic of these guys Shall
NEVER CEASE.
Best regards CJ
From:
'maggior'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:48
pm
Subject: Guilted into a DWT II review :-)
OK, you've succeeded in making me feel guilty ;-). I can understand
how the musicians that participated in the project might feel
underappreciated. I myself was surprised by the small number of
reviews. Part of this is probably that the project was overshadowed
a bit by the Tangerine Tree project - it can't be that the music
wasn't appreciated!
I've raved about the DWT II discs, but I guess I haven't done it in a
public forum. I figured I'd leave the reviewing to some of the more
eloquent members of this list - I'm not good at disecting music;
others here have a talent for it. For what it's worth, here is my
two cents...
In short, I love these CDs!! These 4 CDs (I got both DWT I and II)
came with me in the car for a good month - it's about all I was
listening too. The songs were very professionally done. What I
liked was that you could hear the TD influence without the songs
sounding like TD ripoffs. The production is very clean as well,
better than in DWT I.
My 3 (or was it 4) branches in the DWT II tree all raved about the
music. One person commented that the discussion list 'has some very
talented musician in it'.
I rave about both DWT sets to anybody that will listen (and has a
clue as to what I'm talking about ;-). Even my fiance likes some of
the songs.
There are some songs in the set that don't appeal to me, but none
that I feel I have to skip over. What I plan to do (when I get time)
is to compile all of my favorites from the DTW I and II sets onto a
couple of discs. Now this will be a killer CD set!! When I put this
compilation together, perhaps I'll list my choices here so everyone
can see who made the cut (like it really matters that much ;-).
To everybody that participated in this project (musicians and artists
alike), I'd like to say 'THANK YOU! - this is great stuff'.
Rich Maggio
> Yes, but where are all the responses to DWT2? Reviews, comments,
feedback, anything...am I looking in the wrong places?
>
> I believe some record label or other was going to offer to release
an album for the best reviewed contributor, but it must be difficult
to choose one when there ain't no reviews to choose from :-)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:39
pm
Subject: Re: Berlin 15.06.2002
Actually, there is more! On the May page, there is an ad for the Salvador
Dali film by JC Avery. Either Froese solo or TD proper did the soundtrack. I
forget which.
Scott
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos 'Wake Up'
In a message dated 5/17/2002 8:57:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
mengels@w... writes:
> I really doubt they're saying Wake-up!
>
*Maybe not, but most people seem to know what you're talking about if you
call it that...
Poly
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: Quichotte
Speaking of which, I though only red and blue vinyl versions were issued. I
bought a copy from Ebay and it turned out to be black vinyl. What's the
story? Was it a regular run of black, and then just a few hundred of the red
and blue?
Scott
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:05
pm
Subject: 'Wake Up'
>fozziebear said:
>When the Wake-up sample was first played the people I went to the concert with
>were wondering what was behind it. Who did TD want to Wake-Up? What did
>they want people to wake up to?
First, I have to say, you're a lucky b****** to have gone to a TD show in
82, let alone the Dominion show.
The music leading up to the 'Wake Up' sequence is easily the slowest, most
ambient piece (not that there's anything wrong with that!) in the whole
show. I think it is quite fitting in the most literal sense of the words.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:02
pm
Subject: Three Tier Dream - Digital Times
>Dennis Nigbur said:
>
>Birmingham? News to me, but yes - I do mean the 3Tier Dream
>concert.
>
>Dennis
As I guessed!
Disc 2 of 3 Tier Dream 'Digital Times' is the first set of the 1981.10.20
Hammersmith Odeon concert.
Ignore the '1982' notation. Never trust a bootleg label!
That said, yes, Hammersmith Odeon had probably the best performance ever of
'Bondy Parade', with Johannes Schmoelling playing the lead line for a bit
before Edgar gets up on stage (to applause) and takes over on electric guitar.
I was surprised when Edgar chose an Australia show to release (well,
doctor), as the performances of Bondy Parade down under were rather
lackluster. (Edgar chose to completely excise the guitar work anyway!)
-Morgan
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
Let's face it.....deadlines suck.....almost as much as Mondays
'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> You are way ahead of me already. 2 Tracks ready. I just don't want to run up
> on a dead line. Hence why I prodding now.
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
>
> > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a
> > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email.
> >
> >
> >
> > Admin wrote:
> >
> > > Is there going to be a DWT III?
> > > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot?
> > >
> > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a
> > > effort, move in some general direction but move.
> > >
> > > dale
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Guilted into a DWT II review :-)
Very well commented, Rich.
Yes there are, as you put it 'One person commented that the discussion list
'has some very
> talented musician in it'.'
You spoke no facts that can't be other than true here.
Both DWT I and DWT II are very good. I only have one negative item, and that
track 5 I think that was done and sounded like static. (pink noise). I was
later shown where to get the track such that my CD player could play it. All I
have to do now is make a new disk with that track and I got a killer disk. If I
read the posts and followed more closer than the lurker I am, I would have
known this already.
I am expecting DWT III to be even better.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
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Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'maggior'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:48 AM
Subject: [tadream] Guilted into a DWT II review :-)
> OK, you've succeeded in making me feel guilty ;-). I can understand
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Poland
>Mark Filipak said:
>
>I did bring this up and so I don't want to quibble, and I do have a lot of
>respect for you, Morgan (except that I still think you're too hard on
>Edgar sometimes), but '2nd and 3rd movements of 'Poland''. Whatever do you
>mean?
>
>If it's handy, do you have track times for what you are calling the '2nd
>and 3rd movements of 'Poland''? Please don't bother yourself if you don't
>already have this written down.
>
>I have always divided the 'Poland' track like this:
>
>(intro/atmosphere) [0:48]
>1 Poland 1 [10:42]
>(aka: Love on a Polish Train)
>(bridge 1-2) [2:26]
>2 Poland 2 [8:46]
>(bridge 2-3) [0:37]
>
>Are you, perchance, calling the bridge that I designate as 'bridge 1-2',
>'movement 2'? -- what I have as 'Poland 2' would become 'movement 3' or
>'Poland 3'. If you are, I certainly wouldn't argue as one person's bridge
>may very well be another person's movement. If not, then I'm very curious
>about how you *are* dividing this track up as I can't imagine how the two
>main themes could be further subdivided.
I guess it could be called a bridge. But at 3 minutes long in the 1983
Japan concerts, it has to be one of TD's longer bridges.
Yes, that's what I'm referring to.
>I found a reference somewhere -- sorry, I wasn't so meticulous at that
>time -- to a 31 Aug 83, Athens show. Has this definitely been debunked?
It seems to remain a question mark.
> > Johannes Schmoelling surprised us all by posting a scanned ticket to
> > the November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle show,
> > for which there was previously known record in the TD community.
>
>Oooo. Do you have this scan? I'd sure like to get it.
There was a very small thumbnail which was almost unreadable on JS's
website, and clicking on it did not bring up the correct link. So i did
some digging and guessing and managed to find the full size (very large)
versions of the front and back of the ticket hidden on the site and
download them!
The ticket for the 5:30pm show:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_1.gif
here's the ticket for the 7:30pm evening show, which as you can see was
rescheduled to 9:30pm.
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_2.gif
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
Yes they do, but I am one of those boneheads that want to see a deadline so
I have a motivational force to put my big arse in gear.
;-)
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
> Let's face it.....deadlines suck.....almost as much as Mondays
>
> 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
>
> > You are way ahead of me already. 2 Tracks ready. I just don't want to
run up
> > on a dead line. Hence why I prodding now.
> >
> > dale
> >
> > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > admin@k...
> > 661-723-0266
> > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII
> >
> > > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will
be a
> > > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Admin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there going to be a DWT III?
> > > > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a
foot?
> > > >
> > > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make
a
> > > > effort, move in some general direction but move.
> > > >
> > > > dale
> > > >
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>
>
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 9:37
pm
Subject: Wake Up!!!
The Logos vs logos (plural)...
In the context of the quotes that were being placed on the albums of around
that time period, Logos with a capital 'L' and 'wake up' seem to make perfect
sense.
Makes me wonder about the title 'White Eagle'
<<
Subject: 'Wake Up'
>fozziebear said:
>When the Wake-up sample was first played the people I went to the concert
with
>were wondering what was behind it. Who did TD want to Wake-Up? What did
>they want people to wake up to?
First, I have to say, you're a lucky b****** to have gone to a TD show in
82, let alone the Dominion show.
The music leading up to the 'Wake Up' sequence is easily the slowest, most
ambient piece (not that there's anything wrong with that!) in the whole
show. I think it is quite fitting in the most literal sense of the words.
-Morgan>>>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:13
pm
Subject: anyone go to yday's ground liftaz event?
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 2:02
am
Subject: Re: [RicochetMusos] Ricochet Gathering 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
> I hope to add links and other information about the 2002 event sometime
> soon.
'The next event is at the Mojave Desert April 25-29, 2003.'
1. Sign me up!
2. What about the party at your house on the 24th? :-)
Bill
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 3:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Wake Up!!!
In a message dated 5/17/02 2:39:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Liondream@a... writes:
<< Makes me wonder about the title 'White Eagle' >>
*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions....
TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols for ages so it always
strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the 'New Age' connection.
Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, but there are quotes from
Buddha
and Lao Tsu in the liner notes....
Poly
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 3:20
am
Subject: [tree] Now Playing!
Hi folks...
I've just got a copy of the SHN edition. I'm not extracting volumes 7 and 8,
and have already burned vol.1, Nottingham 1976, and WHAT A FANTASTIC CONCERT IS
THAT. Very inspired, f!!king gorgeous etc etc etc. now at 11:20 in the second
track. Unfortunately I've got only 4 blanks right now, so I'm now playing Nott
76, and will burn later Croydon 75, Inferno and Berlin Philharmonie 76. Can't
wait...
And I'm not going to write a review of each concert here. People have already
done that... you all know this is excellent.
Many thanks to wooooooooo, that tune...13:12... now where is it from. Ricochet?
Yeah. I think it's in Ricochet. yeah yeah yeah. greatest of all time and all
that ;).. yeah yeah yeah. Now this track 2 could easily have been put in an
album, most certainly. anyway.
Thanks to everyone involved in this beautiful project!
Thanks to my branch too! ;)
Many very special thanks to Tangerine Dream and all the talented musicians that
have been a part of it!
-GJ with a Burning Brain (burning with joy ;)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 4:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos
In a message dated 5/17/02 4:39:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmisner13@l... writes:
<< Do you all feel similarly about the boot 'Logotypes'???
---Jeff >>
*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg.
Poly
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 5:01
am
Subject: Mysticism and TD
On Fri, 17 May 2002 23:00:42 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes:
>*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions....
Yep, and the hermaphrodite is an alchemical symbol, and
by extension -- the androgyne (like me). :)
>TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols
>for ages so it always strikes me as odd when a TD fan is
>surprised at the 'New Age' connection.
Yes, and a few years ago, one fan gave me crap when I
suggested that a boot be named after a Lovecraftian reference,
yet since then, another fan went and gave a TD boot a
Lovecraftian name, so the cat's out of the bag. ;)
>Poly
Stephe, a Man-Woman Trying to Look the Part
Androgyne Online http://androgyne.0catch.com/
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 5:38
am
Subject: Which one's Wake-Up ?
Just checked about the 'Wake-Up'
part on www.tadream.de :
>On Logos, live in London, TD used the
>first sampling unit ever.
>Listen to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part
>I and pay attention to
>the line »Wake-up!«.
So, Logos Part I is 25 mins, then the second
quarter of it must be 6,25 - 12,5.
According to this, Wake-Up part is the previous
of the one you've mentioned!
ArtOfVision
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 7:08
am
Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003
In a message dated 5/17/02 10:03:44 PM, billfox@f... quotes:
>'The next event is at the Mojave Desert April 25-29, 2003.'
Alas. If it were two weeks later, I'd go.
Oh well. That's the life of a student.
--Daniel
NP: Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 7:31
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree
Hi just want to thank everyone involved in this great project,I was
not a great fan of the 70's stuff but listening to these concerts I
think I am converted especially the awesome Nottingham 76 and
Washington 77 superb stuff cannot wait for TT2.
Cheers Gary
NP.White Out
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
From:
gmroger@p...
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: Guilted into a DWT II review
Sorry to have been in lurk mode for quite some time, but between studying,
holidays and work I've had very little time to formulate a review on DWT II -
hopefully I can do so in the next few days or so.
In the meantime (off the top of my head, as I'm doing this in an internet cafe,
for reasons in my next posting), I've now heard the discs several times, even
making a tape to listen to while I was sunning myself in Fuerteventura.
I have to say it is brilliant! While DWT 1 was a slight hit and miss affair
(although with more hits, I hasten to add!), DWT II redresses this balance -
for me, only three misses... sorry, can't remember the titles or the artists,
but from memory, disc 1: Track 1 (the samples of all tracks, but thankfully a
lot shorter this time), Track 4 (Ithink the Doktor Strange track), although
only just... actually, it's not bad), the track that followed which, at 14
minutes, and an endless repition of the same line all the way through, and
track 5 on Disc 2.
Of the rest, they are simply wonderful! I love Olyam's track on disc 2 (it
reminds me of Fuerteventura), and the last track was quite a surprise... if it
was originally not planned to go on DWT 2, then it would of been quite a loss.
This is a sad, moving and beautiful piece and finished the set quite nicely...
As I say, I hope to have a more detailed review in the near future.
Regards
Roger Hartopp
From:
gmroger@p...
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Danged Polish connection speeds
I tried to join the chat last night, but unfortunately - and I presume it's
because of the connection speeds - conversation was impossible. Morgan greeted
me, I responded, sent a message, then waited three minutes, after which, a
half-page dialogue suddenly appeared - everyone else was able to have a decent
conversation but me!
So guys, it wasn't me being rude or something you did - with a connection speed
of only 33000 bps (in reality bits were creeping through at an even slower rate
than that), it became impossible for me to carry on and be truly involved.
To our Polish group out there (off-topic here folks, sorry)- what is the
solution? I'm stuck with a TPSA connection, and TPSA is my server. Is it any
use paying and going to another server while still being connected to a phone
line or do I have to go the route of cable or satellite?
Considering Poland's internet phone connections are the highest after Japan, it
all seems bez sensu!!!
Advice, Piotr? Jerzy?
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries
>*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions....
>TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols for ages so it
>always
>strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the 'New Age' connection.
>Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, but there are quotes
>from
>Buddha
>and Lao Tsu in the liner notes....
>Poly
Most TD titles are cryptic enough even if one does not want to bother his
head with speculative religion connections...
Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? Big Sleep In Search Of Hades? Yeah,
right.
As TD's (and Edgar's in particular) goal has always been to produce
'surreal' music (which IMHO did not succeed too well after Schmoelling came
in), it is understandable that the titles are also mysterious.
If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he was surreal painter too,
but not as known than Dali) titles for example... it's at least equally
confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets carved inside it, one of
them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & a dollhouse... This it
titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh?
Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir enough. There's no inner
meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you want. But I don't think
there's anything to be really found.
But this sense of mystery has to me always been an integral part of TD's
music.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Wake - up
>Another favourite sample is the Bushbabies....... whichever album that was
>on. Now what inspired that?
First half of Poland, right?
I think it sounds more like 'Fuzzy' than 'Bush' however.
This mostly reminds me of an anecdote about Richard Feynman ... but perhaps
that'd be too OT.
John Vertical
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries
In a message dated 5/18/2002 4:10:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir enough. There's no inner
> meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you want. But I don't think
> there's anything to be really found.
> John Vertical
*Well John, if there were just a few connections I might agree with you but
for those
of us who have studied it the sheer amount of connections are far too obvious
to ignore. Pop quiz: who or what is Choronzon?
The demon Aliester Crowley supposedly summoned in the desert.
What is the Convention of 24?
A theosophical theory of a secret cabal of 'hidden masters'.
Tyger was an entire album of mystic Wlliam Blake's poetry.
Logos - The 'word' of creation.
Remote viewing - A psychic phenomena involving someone 'seeing' events from
far away.
I'm not even going to attempt a complete list as each album has reference
points.
If you have no interest what's the problem? You can certainly see nothing
more than abstract or surreal meaningless images.... but to those with the
eyes to see the evidence is more than ample... Besides the surreal movement
wasn't exactly seperate from metaphysics either...
Dali designed his own tarot deck.
Poly
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 10:10
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Danged Polish connection speeds
> To our Polish group out there (off-topic here folks, sorry)-
> what is the solution? I'm stuck with a TPSA connection, and
> TPSA is my server. Is it any use paying and going to another
> server while still being connected to a phone line or do I
> have to go the route of cable or satellite?
>
> Considering Poland's internet phone connections are the
> highest after Japan, it all seems bez sensu!!!
>
> Advice, Piotr? Jerzy?
>
> Roger Hartopp
Hmm, I've been using the cable modem connection (Chello from UPC, Warsaw)
for about a year. It's very good and quite cheap solution. The connection
speed at 512kbps is quite enough to do anything you wish. Try this:
http://www.upc.com.pl for more information.
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
chris towers
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 11:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics
I have Spherical Harmonics as a CDR. My email is
cjt999fire@a..., feel free to contact me and ill
arrange something for you....
Cheers
Chris
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wrote:
> Hmm....i've only seen that one floating
> around.....been elusive for
> me........any chance
> someone out there has a decent copy of it
> avaliable...mp3, or otherwise?
>
> Contact me off-list if this is a possibility.
>
>
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: LOGOS: THE KEEP II
On Sat, 18 May 2002 00:55:36 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes:
>*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg.
That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the
KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;)
>Poly
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> The ticket for the 5:30pm [28 Nov 1983 Stadthalle, Magdeburg, GDR] show:
>
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_1.gif
>
> here's the ticket for the 7:30pm [28 Nov 1983 Stadthalle, Magdeburg,
> GDR] evening show, which as you can see was rescheduled to 9:30pm.
>
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_2.gif
Thank you, Morgan! Not popular in their own country, yet they have two
shows on a Monday. Hmmm...
Ciao -- Mark
From:
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Date: Sat May 18, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
Does anybody out there know the digital radio station
in the U.K. that plays our kind of music.
Wade
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: Surreal Paintning
Another surrealistic painter whose work I admire very much - even morese than
that of Dali is Remedios Varo.
<<
Subject: Re: Mysteries
>*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions....
>TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols for ages so it
>always
>strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the 'New Age' connection.
>Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, but there are quotes
>from
>Buddha
>and Lao Tsu in the liner notes....
>Poly
Most TD titles are cryptic enough even if one does not want to bother his
head with speculative religion connections...
Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? Big Sleep In Search Of Hades? Yeah,
right.
As TD's (and Edgar's in particular) goal has always been to produce
'surreal' music (which IMHO did not succeed too well after Schmoelling came
in), it is understandable that the titles are also mysterious.
If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he was surreal painter too,
but not as known than Dali) titles for example... it's at least equally
confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets carved inside it, one of
them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & a dollhouse... This it
titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh?
Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir enough. There's no inner
meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you want. But I don't think
there's anything to be really found.
But this sense of mystery has to me always been an integral part of TD's
music.
John Vertical>>>
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] LOGOS: THE KEEP II
In a message dated 5/18/2002 12:50:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
scfeldman@j... writes:
> >*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg.
>
> That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the
> KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;)
*Really? What are the cue points for these cuts?
Poly
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:00
pm
Subject: TD & Dead can Dance
I`ve just downloaded a version of Dolphin Dance by TD, but with 'Dead can
Danc'e playing (very badly) a chinese type improvised flute solo over the
top .
It sounds like somebody playing over a CD in their bedroom ! this cant be
real .......can it ?
Paul
http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler
http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane-
http://www.vision68.co.uk
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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] LOGOS: THE KEEP II
> In a message dated 5/18/2002 12:50:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scfeldman@j... writes:
>
>
> > >*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg.
> >
> > That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the
> > KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;)
>
>
> *Really? What are the cue points for these cuts?
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD & Dead can Dance
In a message dated 5/18/2002 4:07:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
lawlermusic@s... writes:
> I`ve just downloaded a version of Dolphin Dance by TD, but with 'Dead can
> Danc'e playing (very badly) a chinese type improvised flute solo over the
> top .
> It sounds like somebody playing over a CD in their bedroom ! this cant be
> real .......can it ?
>
> Paul
>
*That can't be Dead can Dance.... I think it's Bullsh*t
Poly
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD & Dead can Dance
There is indeed a song called 'Piece for Solo Flute' from the Dead Can Dance
album _Toward the Within_. There are sound clips at CDNOW if you want to
compare the sounds, but to me they sound the same as the MP3 mix that is
overdubbed on Dolphin Dance.
I think what you've got here is someone who has no mixing equipment took
'Piece for Solo Flute' and cut-and-pasted the sections that went well with
Dolphin Dance. Then he played back Dolphin Dance on a boombox, '...Solo
Flute' on his computer, and recorded them together with a standard rack tape
deck. Afterwards he fed the results back to his computer and ripped to MP3.
Me, I would just rip both of them to .wav files and mix them on the computer
with some reasonable mixing program.
Other than the poor mixing levels, I think it's a nice twist on Dolphin
Dance.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> > I`ve just downloaded a version of Dolphin Dance by TD, but
> with 'Dead can
> > Danc'e playing (very badly) a chinese type improvised flute
> solo over the
> > top .
> > It sounds like somebody playing over a CD in their bedroom
> ! this cant be
> > real .......can it ?
> >
> > Paul
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 10:39
pm
Subject: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
Hello Heiko and all the others,
> > Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree.
>
> errm..... I don't believe there is big demand for hearing every single
> fantape from the 1990, 1992 or 1997 concert tours, ...
> I think it's enough if we include only one or two recordings from the above
> mentioned tours, since the music played within a concert tour was basically
> identical. As most of you will know this wasn't the case with TD's live
> concerts up to 1978, during the 70s each concert was more less
> improvisational and 'unique'. And this is the period which I think the
> Tangerine Tree should focus upon.
I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent recordings
of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. And as a
special service for the completists, there could be tree boxes with concerts
only from the 1990, 1992,... tours only for those who need to have them all.
This should happen when most (or all...) of the earlier tapes have been
distributed by the tree, perhaps with a new sign-up for those tree tour boxes.
Peter
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
In a message dated 5/18/2002 5:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
peter.stoeferle@t... writes:
> I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent
> recordings
> of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets.
> Peter
*I think this is a great idea....
Poly
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 7:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries
John Vertical wrote:
> If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he was surreal painter
too,
> but not as known than Dali) titles for example... it's at least equally
> confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets carved inside it, one
of
> them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & a dollhouse... This
it
> titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh?
If you like Magritte and Dali, take a look at Laurie Lipton's work.
David
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 8:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/18/2002 5:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
> peter.stoeferle@t... writes:
>
> > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent
> > recordings
> > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets.
> > Peter
>
> *I think this is a great idea....
> Poly
I hate to be a party pooper but I repectfully disagree. I think there are
enough excellent shows from 1982 through 1988 with enough variation to
warrant a whole box set dedicated to them. Besides, this is my favorite
era. Using your criteron, Peter, since we alreay have Fassbinder, we don't
need any other shows, eh?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
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Date: Sun May 19, 2002 9:32
am
Subject: IMMERSION 5.30.02 - A Must-See Event!
Imagine...
You walk up the stairs of the chapel in the heart of San Francisco's
Presidio, and as you step inside, you are immersed in a world of
music and images: time-lapse clouds roll across the ceiling, the moon
rises on one wall as the sun sets on the other, and the sounds of cello,
bass, and keyboards rise into the evening sky.
You are experiencing IMMERSION, the final show of our Spring Tour. Buy
your tickets now, and bring your friends and family for this very
special evening of music and visuals.
'The cosmic sounds of the Kevin Keller Trio combine acoustic and
electronic sounds that transmit a dreamlike aura, with a
state-of-the-art visual production...a unique experience of sound and
vision.' -Urban View, Oakland
'Bridges the worlds of classical performance and blissful
contemplation...an enthralling soundscape.' -SF Bay Guardian
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 8:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
> > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent
> > recordings
> > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets.
> > Peter
>
>
>*I think this is a great idea....
>Poly
Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one
reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to offer.
(Of course this is definetly not a microscopic minority, but...)
This of course excluding all radically different versions, eg. the version
of Mojave Plan featuring the Munich Philharmonic orchestra?
Welll. Apparently we already have most of the 83 live material on Logos,
Poland & studio releases so I'm not going to start weeping if I don't get
those.
However, there appears to be much unreleased material from the 86 & 88
tours, so what's wrong with them? And even some from 90, too.
'One or two' could IMHO be something more like half a dozen.
But I still agree that the Tree should concentrate on the vast amounts of
70's improvised concerts.
John Vertical
PS: One to seven that Morgan will write a novel about this, too... ;-)
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 9:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
In a message dated 5/19/2002 3:59:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one
> reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to
> offer.
*How did the idea of discarding anything come into this thread? I thought the
original idea was to concentrate on the earlier works to begin with as they
were improvised and therefore no two alike and being more sparing with the
later material as it didn't vary as much and it would in many cases be the
same copy as the shows were backed up on tape. Eventually if this thing has
enough steam all versions would be available right? but things have a way of
dying and I think it makes perfect sense to concentrate on the material that
is unique..... All eras should be looked at, I don't think anyone has
suggested otherwise.
One of my favorites is the Three tier dream which is the Underwater Sunlight
tour...
but the Baumann era has the most undiscovered territory.
Just my two cents.
Poly
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From:
'Simon Pride'
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 12:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...]
> Sent: 18 May 2002 19:50
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
>
>
> Does anybody out there know the digital radio station
> in the U.K. that plays our kind of music.
>
> Wade
Nope. The nearest you're going to get to adventurous radio programming
is Radio 6 Music and I've not heard any EM or prog on there to date.
Shame, it would have been a perfect forum for Ashley Franklin's
_Soundscapes_ if it still existed.
The last time I heard TD on the radio was when Mark Radcliffe played the
first half of side 1 of Tangram on his seminal Picadilly Radio program
'Transmission' back in 1980. Mark used to serve up an eclectic mix of
local and national New Wave (Factory, 4AD, Postcard and Crepuscule acts)
and experimental and electronic music. He also played, from memory:
Richard Pinhas, Roedelius, Eno, Jon Hassell, Harold Budd, Thomas Dolby,
Nyman, and many other experimental artists like Phil Niblock and so on.
Of course he packed it all in to become one half of Mark and Lard...
--
S
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
Simon,
Just a note to let you know that I am in discussions
to bring my radio program to the U.K. Origionally I
was discussing this with Radio 3, but events have now
changed in that I will have more creativity on a
commercial outlet. This is a unique experience for me
since that for the last 18 years I have been primarily
on public/community radio in the US.
Thanks for the info.
Wade
--- Simon Pride wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...]
> > Sent: 18 May 2002 19:50
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in
> the U.K.
> >
> >
> > Does anybody out there know the digital radio
> station
> > in the U.K. that plays our kind of music.
> >
> > Wade
>
> Nope. The nearest you're going to get to adventurous
> radio programming
> is Radio 6 Music and I've not heard any EM or prog
> on there to date.
> Shame, it would have been a perfect forum for Ashley
> Franklin's
> _Soundscapes_ if it still existed.
>
> The last time I heard TD on the radio was when Mark
> Radcliffe played the
> first half of side 1 of Tangram on his seminal
> Picadilly Radio program
> 'Transmission' back in 1980. Mark used to serve up
> an eclectic mix of
> local and national New Wave (Factory, 4AD, Postcard
> and Crepuscule acts)
> and experimental and electronic music. He also
> played, from memory:
> Richard Pinhas, Roedelius, Eno, Jon Hassell, Harold
> Budd, Thomas Dolby,
> Nyman, and many other experimental artists like Phil
> Niblock and so on.
> Of course he packed it all in to become one half of
> Mark and Lard...
>
> --
> S
>
>
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Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
Cool. Let me know if any of us can help. I have a small number of
contacts in UK commercial radio.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...]
> Sent: 19 May 2002 19:49
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
>
>
> Simon,
>
> Just a note to let you know that I am in discussions
> to bring my radio program to the U.K. Origionally I
> was discussing this with Radio 3, but events have now
> changed in that I will have more creativity on a
> commercial outlet. This is a unique experience for me
> since that for the last 18 years I have been primarily
> on public/community radio in the US.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Wade
> --- Simon Pride wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...]
> > > Sent: 18 May 2002 19:50
> > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in
> > the U.K.
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anybody out there know the digital radio
> > station
> > > in the U.K. that plays our kind of music.
> > >
> > > Wade
> >
> > Nope. The nearest you're going to get to adventurous
> > radio programming
> > is Radio 6 Music and I've not heard any EM or prog
> > on there to date.
> > Shame, it would have been a perfect forum for Ashley Franklin's
> > _Soundscapes_ if it still existed.
> >
> > The last time I heard TD on the radio was when Mark
> > Radcliffe played the
> > first half of side 1 of Tangram on his seminal
> > Picadilly Radio program
> > 'Transmission' back in 1980. Mark used to serve up
> > an eclectic mix of
> > local and national New Wave (Factory, 4AD, Postcard
> > and Crepuscule acts)
> > and experimental and electronic music. He also
> > played, from memory:
> > Richard Pinhas, Roedelius, Eno, Jon Hassell, Harold
> > Budd, Thomas Dolby,
> > Nyman, and many other experimental artists like Phil
> > Niblock and so on.
> > Of course he packed it all in to become one half of
> > Mark and Lard...
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
Posted
> Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one
> reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to
offer.
I say leave it all in unless it is such poor quality that you only hear the
sounds of clothing rustling up against one another. So what if it was heard
before, offered nada new or was a bad impression. It still was presented
live as well as not making a bit of difference between 70'2, 80's, 90's or
what ever. I prefer most of my TD 60's, 70's. 80's but I find something in
the 90's that sound pleasant to my ears. I would not want to leave something
out because it was only 90's. I say quality of the recording should be the
thought here.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3
& ........
> > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent
> > > recordings
> > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets.
> > > Peter
> >
> >
> >*I think this is a great idea....
> >Poly
>
>
> Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one
> reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to
offer.
> (Of course this is definetly not a microscopic minority, but...)
> This of course excluding all radically different versions, eg. the version
> of Mojave Plan featuring the Munich Philharmonic orchestra?
>
>
>
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 10:49
pm
Subject: Fwd: Okefenokee 2002 Photos
Copy-paste from the beyond_em list:
> For those interested I've posted some photos from Okefenokee
> 2002 up on the AirSculpture web site.
>
> http://www.softbase.co.uk/as/okefenokee2/
>
> Enjoy.
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Ruczynski
>
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Sun May 19, 2002 10:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
I could care less about what's on the next 2 sets....i've been a die-hard fan
for over 20 yrs...and am just glad to be able to get this stuff.
Mark Filipak wrote:
> Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 5/18/2002 5:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > peter.stoeferle@t... writes:
> >
> > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent
> > > recordings
> > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets.
> > > Peter
> >
> > *I think this is a great idea....
> > Poly
>
> I hate to be a party pooper but I repectfully disagree. I think there are
> enough excellent shows from 1982 through 1988 with enough variation to
> warrant a whole box set dedicated to them. Besides, this is my favorite
> era. Using your criteron, Peter, since we alreay have Fassbinder, we don't
> need any other shows, eh?
>
> Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 1:25
am
Subject: 'What will be on future trees?'
The Tangerine Tree is designed for maximum impact.
The purpose of the Tree is to release tapes which have previously been
unavailable to the public as complete, or with the same sound quality.
In the case of most of the 82-2001 shows, most of these tapes are already
the best, or close to it.
The Mojave Plan Orchestral that's floating around is already the clearest
(unless S has a better tape).
I think first, we will get the best recordings of shows from 74-81,
especially ones not previously widely available.
Then fill in with representative shows from each era, like 1 from 1988, 2
from 1992, 3 from 1983, 3 from 1980, 3 from 1981, 2 from 1982.
And eventually boxed sets.
For instance, for 1982 Australia, the perfect box to me is The Real Sohoman
(prv Outback Voices) disc 1, and then Strange Attractions (prv Raetikon +
Fractal Realities) as disc 2. Maybe not every single note is accurate to
either show, but it's close enough.
And then boxed sets for the completists.
It's all about timing and impact. The Tree is going to be very 1975-1981
heavy, since there are so many one-off and unique concerts from then.
There's no getting around it.
Unless some shockingly clear tape comes forward (we already have
Sonambulistic Imagery and General Relativity from 86, At the Mountains of
Madness and the New Haven soundboard both from 88, etc.), the later years
aren't going to get touched on too much I think.
I could be off base though.
Bottom line is, I am seeing flared tempers over something that's just
started. let's not sabotage or attack it (or each other) when we will get
all the music, just not tomorrow!
Diehard collectors and professional concert archivists are finally opening
the door to their collections, and I am supremely thankful. I think many
people will never know how much grief, work, and quite frankly, money and
diehard trades, were necessary to secure some of these tapes.
-Morgan
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 9:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Tier Dream - Digital Times
So, was this the 'Logos ending' you meant, then? Or did they play a yet
different
version at the Dominion?
Dennis
On 17 May 2002 at 15:02, Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Dennis Nigbur said:
> >
> >Birmingham? News to me, but yes - I do mean the 3Tier Dream
> >concert.
> >
> >Dennis
>
> As I guessed!
>
> Disc 2 of 3 Tier Dream 'Digital Times' is the first set of the
> 1981.10.20 Hammersmith Odeon concert.
>
> Ignore the '1982' notation. Never trust a bootleg label!
>
> That said, yes, Hammersmith Odeon had probably the best performance
> ever of 'Bondy Parade', with Johannes Schmoelling playing the lead
> line for a bit before Edgar gets up on stage (to applause) and takes
> over on electric guitar.
>
> I was surprised when Edgar chose an Australia show to release (well,
> doctor), as the performances of Bondy Parade down under were rather
> lackluster. (Edgar chose to completely excise the guitar work anyway!)
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 1:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'What will be on future trees?'
Of course, there must be people like myself, fans for
years, who obviously never had the right connections,
and only now are getting the opportunity to own these
fantastic recordings, breathing new life into their TD
obsession.
Before the Tangerine Tree, I had managed to get about
6 bootlegs in the space of 15 years - mostly through
luck. Pretty pathetic! Thanks to the tree, my live
collection has obviously more than doubled in one
shot.
Whatever Heiko and friends choose to present to us:
BRING IT ON!!!
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 1:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Phase Video
Hi Martyn,
I would be interested in a DVD of this show. Are you
in/or able to code a DVD for region 1?
Let me know what cost would be incurred for this.
Unfortunately I do not have anything I could trade.
Thanks,
Jonathan.
--- tadreaming@c... wrote:
> I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder
> if anyone is interested.
> I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser
> to DVD for myself, and
> looks excellent.
>
> Martyn
>
>
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 2:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical
> traditions....
> >TD have used various metaphysical and mystical
> symbols for ages so it
> >always
> >strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the
> 'New Age' connection.
> >Not only are the song titles often reffering to it,
> but there are quotes
> >from
> >Buddha
> >and Lao Tsu in the liner notes....
> >Poly
>
>
> Most TD titles are cryptic enough even if one does
> not want to bother his
> head with speculative religion connections...
> Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? Big Sleep In
> Search Of Hades? Yeah,
> right.
>
> As TD's (and Edgar's in particular) goal has always
> been to produce
> 'surreal' music (which IMHO did not succeed too well
> after Schmoelling came
> in), it is understandable that the titles are also
> mysterious.
>
> If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he
> was surreal painter too,
> but not as known than Dali) titles for example...
> it's at least equally
> confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets
> carved inside it, one of
> them closed, the other two open and housing a ball &
> a dollhouse... This it
> titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh?
>
> Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir
> enough. There's no inner
> meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you
> want. But I don't think
> there's anything to be really found.
I'm a great admirer of Magritte and many Surreailist
artists and what I like about them is not so much
their artistic talant (which of course is great) but
that what they do is thought provoking - taking the
ordinary and putting it in an unusual context or vice
versa. I think that TD and other EM do much the same
for me and I can understnad how they often get linked
DanD
>
> But this sense of mystery has to me always been an
> integral part of TD's
> music.
>
> John Vertical
>
>
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From:
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Date: Mon May 20, 2002 3:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries
--- fozziebear
wrote:
> John Vertical wrote:
>
> > If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he
> was surreal painter
> too,
> > but not as known than Dali) titles for example...
> it's at least equally
> > confusing. A picture of a living tree with
> cabinets carved inside it, one
> of
> > them closed, the other two open and housing a ball
> & a dollhouse... This
> it
> > titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh?
>
> If you like Magritte and Dali, take a look at Laurie
> Lipton's work.
>
> David
>
>
Don't forget Yves Tanguey, most prints you see don't
do his painting justice.
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
I, too, heard 'right now' in the beginning along with 'lighten up' so it
appears we have all gotten many messages and meanings out of this passage.
There is another track, Clearwater Canyon, which clearly shouts (to me
anyway) 'Beware!' 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
>From: Paul Fellows
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:39:33 +0200
>
>I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-)
>
> > It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'.
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 5:34
pm
Subject: Logos
>Dennis Nigbur said:
>
>So, was this the 'Logos ending' you meant, then? Or did they play a yet
>different
>version at the Dominion?
>
>Dennis
Ok, let's look at disc 2 of 3 Tier Dream 'Digital Times' which is the first
set of the 1981.10.20 Hammersmith Odeon concert.
It starts out with a 10 minute version of what would become the first 3 1/2
minutes of 'Logos', which matches the first 3 1/2 minutes of every
October-November 1982 show. Then there's Sobornost, and 2 other tracks,
neither of which have been released (a crime!). Finally, the last 10
minutes is a festive romp, 'Bondy Parade'. The only version ever released
of this is the heavily overdubbed, lackluster version released sans guitar
as 'Sohoman'.
As for 'original Logos ending', I am assuming you mean in regards to having
a better 'official Logos CD' if Edgar gave me the chance topic I posted
last week. I shouldn't call it the Logos ending, because it's actually the
upbeat part BEFORE the Logos 'coda' ending which ended the 2nd main set of
the concert.
In this case, using the official Logos SBM CD as a reference, 36:36-42:11
on the CD is much more subdued than the wild melodic parts Johannes played
live at each show. To be honest, the Logos release is a lot closer to, say,
the 1982.11.11 Dusseldorf show, as this show was similarly subdued.
-Morgan
From:
'Scott'
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 5:55
pm
Subject: TD & Lovecraft
> Yes, and a few years ago, one fan gave me crap when I
>suggested that a boot be named after a Lovecraftian reference,
>yet since then, another fan went and gave a TD boot a
>Lovecraftian name, so the cat's out of the bag. ;)
TD & HPL: Two of my faves! Which boots were those?
Scott
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From:
'Craig Cordrey'
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 6:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1351
> From: Wade Gordon
> Subject: RE: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K.
>
> Just a note to let you know that I am in discussions
> to bring my radio program to the U.K. Origionally I
> was discussing this with Radio 3, but events have now
> changed in that I will have more creativity on a
> commercial outlet. This is a unique experience for me
> since that for the last 18 years I have been primarily
> on public/community radio in the US.
Wade,
This sounds great - I hope it works out for you (and us!). A couple of
points:
1) Why does a commercial station offer more creativity? I expected the
opposite, since you have to entice advertisers to pay for their adverts in
your show. With Radio 3 being part of Public Service Broadcasting, I assumed
you would be more able to play what you liked.
2) Commercial radio is typically broadcast in regions, rather than the
nationwide nature of Radio 3. Unless your show become a hit, it is likely
that a major part of the UK will not be able to hear it.
But, for all that, good luck.
Craig
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Mon May 20, 2002 7:27
pm
Subject: tree suggestion - some words to make it clear
Hello Mark, hello Tree members,
some words to end up a discussion caused by a misunderstanding:
> > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent
> > > recordings
> > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets.
> > > Peter
> >
> > *I think this is a great idea....
> > Poly
>
> I hate to be a party pooper but I repectfully disagree. I think there are
> enough excellent shows from 1982 through 1988 with enough variation to
> warrant a whole box set dedicated to them. Besides, this is my favorite
> era. Using your criteron, Peter, since we alreay have Fassbinder, we don't
> need any other shows, eh?
> Mark
The above quote from my initial post is misleading because it does not tell the
complete idea I tried to explain. Of course there are many excellent post-1982
concerts and these should also be part of the Tree. My proposal was (and still
is) to include one or two shows of *each* post-1982 tour as well as *each*
single gig event (Fassbinder, Shepherd's Bush, Seelenbinder Halle,...) so that
the music material really is covered completely. Additionally, 'completists'
among us should then get the chance to order complete Tree boxes for example of
the 1988 or the 1997 tours (which will offer no new music material but probably
slight variations of the music that then will have already been distributed by
the Tree). So I think, Mark, we are not too far from the same point... - By the
way, if I thought that 'Fassbinder' in 1983 was enough to cover TD's output of
the last 18 years, I would certainly no longer be collector of their music nor
member of this list ;-) So this was *not* my criterion.
Peter
From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 12:38
am
Subject: TT1 Review - TT17 and Beyond
Hello All,
Thank You, Thank You, THANK YOU!!! I love the artwork for this set. And the
music is superb!! I am listening to Berlin 1976 right now and it is
incredible!!
And as for future Trees, I don't think we should limit ourselves at all. I
am sure there are people on the list that are missing a lot of concerts from
there collection, and would jump at the chance to get them. I know I would.
I know the reason for the Trees in the first place was because of the low
gen tapes that were coming out, but this is a great way for newer collectors
to gain a great collection. And isn't that the ultimate goal, to share The
Tangs music?
Just my $0.02
Neal
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Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 1:12
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Subject: Re: [tadream] TT1 Review - TT17 and Beyond
I couldn't agree more...especially since good music is hard to find tese days.
=========================================================
E Neal Frost wrote:
> And as for future Trees, I don't think we should limit ourselves at all. I
> am sure there are people on the list that are missing a lot of concerts from
> there collection, and would jump at the chance to get them. I know I would.
> I know the reason for the Trees in the first place was because of the low
> gen tapes that were coming out, but this is a great way for newer collectors
> to gain a great collection. And isn't that the ultimate goal, to share The
> Tangs music?
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> Neal
>
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From:
atye@a...
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 2:29
am
Subject: OT : 'Copy Proof' CDs Cracked With 99-Cent Marker
'Copy Proof' CDs Cracked With 99-Cent Marker
By Bernhard Warner
Reuters
LONDON (May 20) - Technology buffs have cracked music publishing giant Sony
Music's elaborate disc copy-protection technology with a decidedly low-tech
method: scribbling around the rim of a disk with a felt-tip marker.
Internet newsgroups have been circulating news of the discovery for the past
week, and in typical newsgroup style, users have pilloried Sony for deploying
'hi-tech' copy protection that can be defeated by paying a visit to a
stationery store.
'I wonder what type of copy protection will come next?' one posting on
alt.music.prince read. 'Maybe they'll ban markers.'
Sony did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
Major music labels, including Sony and Universal Music, have begun selling
the 'copy-proof' discs as a means of tackling the rampant spread of music
piracy, which they claim is eating into sales.
The new technology aims to prevent consumers from copying, or 'burning,'
music onto recordable CDs or onto their computer hard drives, which can then
be shared with other users over file-sharing Internet services such as Kazaa
or Morpheus MusicCity.
SONY AGGRESSIVE ANTI-PIRACY PUSH
On Monday, Reuters obtained an ordinary copy of Celine Dion's newest release
'A New Day Has Come,' which comes embedded with Sony's 'Key2Audio'
technology.
After an initial attempt to play the disc on a PC resulted in failure, the
edge of the shiny side of the disc was blackened out with a felt tip marker.
The second attempt with the marked-up CD played and copied to the hard drive
without a hitch.
Internet postings claim that tape or even a sticky note can also be used to
cover the security track, typically located on the outer rim of the disc. And
there are suggestions that copy protection schemes used by other music labels
can also be circumvented in a similar way.
Sony's proprietary technology, deployed on many recent releases, works by
adding a track to the copy-protected disc that contains bogus data.
Because computer hard drives are programmed to read data files first, the
computer will continuously try to play the bogus track first. It never gets
to play the music tracks located elsewhere on the compact disc.
The effect is that the copy-protected disc will play on standard CD players
but not on computer CD-Rom drives, some portable devices and even some car
stereo systems.
Some Apple Macintosh users have reported that playing the disc in the
computer's CD drive causes the computer to crash. The cover of the
copy-protected discs contain a warning that the album will not play on
Macintoshes or other personal computers.
Apple has since posted a warning on its website at:
http:/kbase.info.apple.com/cgibin/WebObjects/kbase.woa/wa/query?searchMode-Ass
isted&type-id&val-KC.106882.
Sony Music Europe has taken the most aggressive anti-piracy stance in the
business. Since last fall, the label has shipped more than 11 million
copy-protected discs in Europe, with the largest proportion going to Germany,
a market label executives claim is rife with illegal CD-burning.
05/20/02 13:08 ET
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 2:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] LOGOS: THE KEEP II
On Sat, 18 May 2002 16:15:23 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes:
> In a message dated 5/18/2002 12:50:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scfeldman@j... writes:
>>>*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg.
>>
>> That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the
>>KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;)
>
>*Really? What are the cue points for these cuts?
From http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep-logostype :
Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds
similar to that in the film known as 'The Keep.'
3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI track 16: Heritage Survival
4. Mirage (2:37)
5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI track 8: Sign in the Dark; cf South Camora
6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI track 6: The Night in Romania
7. Dreamscape (6:12) ???
>Poly
-- Steven Feldman
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| 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me |
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
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From:
'kesbol'
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 10:26
am
Subject: Re: 'What will be on future trees?'
All,
Are we then likely to get some stuff from the 1978 Cyclone tour?
Not everyone's cup of tea I know, but I would love to hear some live
stuff from the Froese, Franke, Jolliffe, Kreiger line-up.
Kevin.
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
I think first, we will get the best recordings of shows from 74-81, >
especially ones not previously widely available.
The Tree is going to be very 1975-1981 heavy, since there are so many
one-off and unique concerts from then. There's no getting around it.
-Morgan
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 11:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'What will be on future trees?'
> Are we then likely to get some stuff from the 1978 Cyclone tour?
>
> Not everyone's cup of tea I know, but I would love to hear some live
> stuff from the Froese, Franke, Jolliffe, Kreiger line-up.
I wanted Hamburg Audimax 24 February 1978 to be a part of the forthcoming
'Tree' , but wasn't really happy with the two remastered versions I
received, so I decided to use something else instead. The problem with the
fantapes from the 'Cyclone' tour is that maybe only 3 or 4 of them have a
sound quality which I would consider as good (and 'good' means that the sound
quality is still far from being on the same level as Nottingham 76)
But I think that sooner or later one of these tapes will end up on the
Tangerine Tree.
Heiko
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 3:13
pm
Subject: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
Hi everyone
I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists.
It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
So be it !
I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is
longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
PROMISED TRACK.
So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
You can contact me for details.
The rule is simple.
One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below)
with the title and artists name(s).
But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please
contact me too.
The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
Yeeeeeehaw!
Yannick EDOM wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
>
> So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists.
>
> It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
>
> So be it !
>
> I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
>
> For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is
> longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
>
> I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
> PROMISED TRACK.
>
> So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
> The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below)
> with the title and artists name(s).
>
> But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please
> contact me too.
>
> The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 3:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
There you have it!
Welcome back!
Dale
;-)
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Yannick EDOM'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:13 AM
Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
>
> So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists.
>
> It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
>
> So be it !
>
> I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
>
> For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is
> longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
>
> I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
> PROMISED TRACK.
>
> So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
> The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see
below)
> with the title and artists name(s).
>
> But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 ,
please
> contact me too.
>
> The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
>
>
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 5:44
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales II
Hello everyone,
With all the talk of Dreamwatchers' Tales III, I thought I should probably
close out the Dreamwatchers' II tree.
From this point forward, if you're interested in a copy of DWT II, please
post to the list and someone will surely work a trade with you. I will no
longer be searching out branches for the latecomers. If you'd like to do
copies, post that to the list as well - maybe you'll get someone interested
who wasn't here when we started.
(An aside to Joe Shoults - when you get an opportunity, please remove the
e-mail links on the tadream.net page.)
If there is anyone who signed up for the tree and never got a copy, please
contact me and I'll see to it you're taken care of.
Cheers!
Tom
P.S. Yannick - please contact me when we're ready to organize a tree for
DWT III.
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From:
Totta
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 6:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II
Hi all.
I just recived my DWT II and it is awsome, but i wonder if anyone can
help me out with the first one ??
Please contact me off list ,
Thanks in advance
Totta
Tom Richmond wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>With all the talk of Dreamwatchers' Tales III, I thought I should probably
>close out the Dreamwatchers' II tree.
>
>>From this point forward, if you're interested in a copy of DWT II, please
>post to the list and someone will surely work a trade with you. I will no
>longer be searching out branches for the latecomers. If you'd like to do
>copies, post that to the list as well - maybe you'll get someone interested
>who wasn't here when we started.
>
>(An aside to Joe Shoults - when you get an opportunity, please remove the
>e-mail links on the tadream.net page.)
>
>If there is anyone who signed up for the tree and never got a copy, please
>contact me and I'll see to it you're taken care of.
>
>Cheers!
>
>Tom
>
>P.S. Yannick - please contact me when we're ready to organize a tree for
>DWT III.
>
>
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue May 21, 2002 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: Logos 'Wake up'
>I, too, heard 'right now' in the beginning along with 'lighten up' so it
>appears we have all gotten many messages and meanings out of this passage.
>There is another track, Clearwater Canyon, which clearly shouts (to me
>anyway) 'Beware!' 8-) Dell
I seem to recall reading on TD's web site or somewhere else that it was
indeed 'wake up.'
Scott
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 12:55
am
Subject: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score'
Okay, in case you didn't know: the 'isolated score' by Tangerine Dream
is *not* the score as it appears in the film. It is the soundtrack
album played over the movie. In other words, you do not get to hear the
ambient and extra music that didn't appear on the album; instead, you
are getting *the album* itself (with long silent gaps between some
songs). No Meg-MuckleBones theme, no extended Unicorn theme, no Final
Battle music...
Personally, this is a disappointment. But I've yet to watch the first
DVD with the full film (with Goldsmith score), so I don't consider the
purchase a loss. My VHS tape was near the end of life, anyway.
- jim
__________________________________________________
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 1:10
am
Subject: Off Topic.....sort of.....
Hello All,
Now I know that there are JMJ fans on this list as well, right?
How about Delerium? Nostradamus?
Please contact me off list. I have just discovered Delerium and Nostradamus
and would like to learn more.
I also need to trade for copies of some cover art for all three of the
above.
Thanks
Neal
'We now return you to our regularly scheduled discussions.'
From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 2:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score'
Jim said:
>Okay, in case you didn't know: the 'isolated score' by Tangerine Dream
>is *not* the score as it appears in the film. It is the soundtrack
>album played over the movie. In other words, you do not get to hear the
>ambient and extra music that didn't appear on the album; instead, you
>are getting *the album* itself (with long silent gaps between some
>songs). No Meg-MuckleBones theme, no extended Unicorn theme, no Final
>Battle music...
>
I got my DVD set yesterday, and I must say that except for the so-called
isolated TD score, the whole package is awesome! I was hoping to finally
get to hear the other cues from the film, but oh well. I should have known
by the odd disclaimer that was displayed before the film started that we
weren't getting a true isolated score track. Strangely enough, it does
still have the theme that plays during the text scroll at the beginning of
the film, which of course isn't on the official soundtrack release. But
everything else is just lifted from the album. But that's good news for
those who haven't been able to secure a copy of the soundtrack yet.
>Personally, this is a disappointment. But I've yet to watch the first
>DVD with the full film (with Goldsmith score), so I don't consider the
>purchase a loss. My VHS tape was near the end of life, anyway.
>
I watched the directors cut last night, and it's like a totally different
film! Well, maybe not totally, but it's very different. I thought
Goldsmith's soundtrack was very good, and went very well with the visuals.
And he even used more synths than I would have guessed. But I still prefer
TD's score for some strange reason. ;-) And with the extra footage that was
chopped for the regular release, the film makes more sense. I will admit
that I had to fight the urge to say that the director's cut was paced too
slowly. I guess I was just too used to the MTV-music-video sort of editing
that I had seen with the original cut countless times before. I still like
the original version, but I really enjoyed the director's cut, and wonder
why they felt they had to cut so much out...
And the film looks and sounds great. The DTS track was most impressive.
The original cut clearly didn't get the same treatment video and sound-wise,
but it still looks and sounds the best it ever has by a long shot. The
deleted scenes were cool to see, as was the documentary. I look forward to
hearing the commentary over the director's cut, as I've read it's very good.
I'm not normally big on commentaries, having only listened to the hilarious
one on the Spinal Tap DVD. The Bryan Ferry music video is a nice piece of
80's cheese, complete with a cameo by David Gilmour (who of course played
guitar on that song).
I must not be a very big TD fan, as this is the first DVD of a movie they've
scored that I've bought. And I didn't buy it just for the version of the
film they scored! :-) I guess I'll have to start getting some other TD
movie DVDs to redeem myself...
Dave B.
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 5:53
am
Subject: 5000 visitors
Hello TD Fan`s,
Today I expect the 5000 visitor on my homepage www.opticaldream.de
since the 26.November 2000. I say thank you to all my visitors.
Power all further so and visits regularly my homepage with again and
again new Tangerine Dream articles in my collection.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
From:
TheInfection
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 8:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up'
Oh, damn it people! It says 'wake up'! If I can hear
it that way, then it is 'wake up'.
Regards,
TheInfection
--- Adele Outland wrote:
> I, too, heard 'right now' in the beginning along
> with 'lighten up' so it
> appears we have all gotten many messages and
> meanings out of this passage.
> There is another track, Clearwater Canyon, which
> clearly shouts (to me
> anyway) 'Beware!' 8-) Dell
>
> All IMO of course.
=====
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'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
I didn't realise that we were short for the last one, makes more sense why
there were multiple tracks by the same artist.
Put me down for a tune or two, still unsure why the one I sent last time
didn't appear though, must've been shite!
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Yannick EDOM'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
>
> So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lis
>
> It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
>
> So be it !
>
> I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
>
> For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is
> longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
>
> I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
> PROMISED TRACK.
>
> So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
> The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see
below)
> with the title and artists name(s).
>
> But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 ,
please
> contact me too.
>
> The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
>
>
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
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>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 9:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
Hi Yannick
Put me in for a track (or two).................
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Yannick EDOM'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:13 PM
Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
>
> So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists.
>
> It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
>
> So be it !
>
> I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
>
> For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is
> longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
>
> I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
> PROMISED TRACK.
>
> So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
> The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below)
> with the title and artists name(s).
>
> But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please
> contact me too.
>
> The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
>
>
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
John McIntyre
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 12:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........
peter.stoeferle@t... wrote:
> Hello Heiko and all the others,
>
> > > Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree.
> >
> > errm..... I don't believe there is big demand for hearing every single
> > fantape from the 1990, 1992 or 1997 concert tours, ...
> > I think it's enough if we include only one or two recordings from the above
> > mentioned tours, since the music played within a concert tour was basically
> > identical. As most of you will know this wasn't the case with TD's live
> > concerts up to 1978, during the 70s each concert was more less
> > improvisational and 'unique'. And this is the period which I think the
> > Tangerine Tree should focus upon.
Yeah, everything you say is right, but...
I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's
'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out.
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 2:05
pm
Subject: Livemiles part 1 - the source?
Okay, this is a studio creation. But does anyone know whether it was
composed before or after Chris Franke left? I mean, the album was released
in 88 so that would imply non-Franke, but it doesn't sound much like that.
Eg: index 3 is highly sequenced, pretty reminescent of Underwater Sunlight -
this is indeed mentioned in the Dream Roots booklet too.
So, was this a patchwork of previously unreleased material, or composed
specially for the album? Are there any facts about this?
John Vertical
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 3:22
pm
Subject: Detroit 1997?
>Yeah, everything you say is right, but...
>
>I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's
>'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out.
>
>John McIntyre
>Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
>Michigan State University
>mcintyre@p...
Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :)
-Morgan
P.S. If you mean Detroit 1977, there is already a very clear recording
'Snackbar Dreamer in Detroit', much clearer than any tape of Toronto 77.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: RE: [TT1]
Not sure. I'll have to check (i'm working on the file at home), but that
data is out of date on the website. I'm way behind and I keep syaing I'll
get to it 'tonight', but then something seems to always get in the way.
Very busy time.
Sorry for the delay, and I would hope tho, that not having up-to-date data
on who has their disks would not be affecting the actual propagation
(except for me not nagging people).
Notwithstanding unforseen circumstances, I'll do it tonight and send out a
nag for incomplete trades!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:25 AM
> To: jshoults@f...; teiwazbarana@h...
> Subject: [TT1]
>
>
> Joe
>
> as far as I can tell from the tangerine tree database, none
> of james owens
> descendents received their SHNs (civance@y... (chad vance),
> jeff.lester@v..., and myself included)--any ideas what
> can be done to
> help this along?
>
> --T
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 3:40
pm
Subject: RE: [TT1]
Ok, I seeded James 7 weeks ago.
Please send me your mailing address and Jeff's mailing address and you will
have it Monday.
I already sent Chad the music as mp3s and will probably send it to him
again as SHN.
The next tree will be limited to people who can fulfill their tree
responsibility in 2-3 weeks, provided they don't have any problem with the
source.
-Morgan
At 11:53 AM 5/22/2002 -0400, Joe Shoults wrote:
>Not sure. I'll have to check (i'm working on the file at home), but that
>data is out of date on the website. I'm way behind and I keep syaing I'll
>get to it 'tonight', but then something seems to always get in the way.
>Very busy time.
>
>Sorry for the delay, and I would hope tho, that not having up-to-date data
>on who has their disks would not be affecting the actual propagation
>(except for me not nagging people).
>
>Notwithstanding unforseen circumstances, I'll do it tonight and send out a
>nag for incomplete trades!
>
>Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:25 AM
> > To: jshoults@f...; teiwazbarana@h...
> > Subject: [TT1]
> >
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > as far as I can tell from the tangerine tree database, none
> > of james owens
> > descendents received their SHNs (civance@y... (chad vance),
> > jeff.lester@v..., and myself included)--any ideas what
> > can be done to
> > help this along?
> >
> > --T
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
> >
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 7:36
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: [TT1]
Sorry about the delay folks. I've swapped computers and the burner would
not talk to the new computer. I've put the burner back in the old computer
and burned a few discs last night. I will finish burning discs tonight.
I'll happily return any blanks or other trades sent my way along with the
SHN's. Please contact me privately to make other arrangements.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:41 AM
> To: Joe Shoults; 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tei waz';
> jeff.lester@v...
> Cc: 'morgan@t...'
> Subject: [tadream] RE: [TT1]
>
>
> Ok, I seeded James 7 weeks ago.
>
> Please send me your mailing address and Jeff's mailing
> address and you will
> have it Monday.
>
> I already sent Chad the music as mp3s and will probably send
> it to him
> again as SHN.
>
> The next tree will be limited to people who can fulfill their tree
> responsibility in 2-3 weeks, provided they don't have any
> problem with the
> source.
>
> -Morgan
>
> At 11:53 AM 5/22/2002 -0400, Joe Shoults wrote:
> >Not sure. I'll have to check (i'm working on the file at
> home), but that
> >data is out of date on the website. I'm way behind and I
> keep syaing I'll
> >get to it 'tonight', but then something seems to always get
> in the way.
> >Very busy time.
> >
> >Sorry for the delay, and I would hope tho, that not having
> up-to-date data
> >on who has their disks would not be affecting the actual propagation
> >(except for me not nagging people).
> >
> >Notwithstanding unforseen circumstances, I'll do it tonight
> and send out a
> >nag for incomplete trades!
> >
> >Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:25 AM
> > > To: jshoults@f...; teiwazbarana@h...
> > > Subject: [TT1]
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > as far as I can tell from the tangerine tree database, none
> > > of james owens
> > > descendents received their SHNs (civance@y... (chad vance),
> > > jeff.lester@v..., and myself included)--any ideas what
> > > can be done to
> > > help this along?
> > >
> > > --T
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
http://messenger.msn.com
> >
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed May 22, 2002 10:55
pm
Subject: E-mail Routing
The routing of the message I replied to was modified to include the list
and I didn't notice the change when I replied.
I apologize for calling you out in front of the list, James, that was not
my intention.
-Morgan
From:
atye@a...
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 1:49
am
Subject: (no subject)
Ok Brian,
I have this crate of 5,000 copies of the 1977 Toronto show ready to
sell for $20 a piece... This is the unknown soundboard tape we discussed with
the Encore studio outtakes included... I can make more if needed...
oops, I meant that to go off-list ...
Has this ever happened to you ??
Embarrassed by an itchy mouse finger ??
Making the tadream mailing list a 'CC' list instead of a 'Reply' list should
let a lot of people sleep easier at night. (Except maybe Edgar...)
All in favor say 'AYE'....
(note: this has been a humorous reenactment of a very serious problem, made
by a sleep-deprived madman)
ATYE
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 4:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
Somehow I don't think it would be termed that..
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
> I didn't realise that we were short for the last one, makes more sense why
> there were multiple tracks by the same artist.
>
> Put me down for a tune or two, still unsure why the one I sent last time
> didn't appear though, must've been shite!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Yannick EDOM'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:13 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
>
>
> > Hi everyone
> >
> > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
> >
> > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lis
> >
> > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
> >
> > So be it !
> >
> > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
> >
> > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one
is
> > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
> >
> > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
> > PROMISED TRACK.
> >
> > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
> >
> > You can contact me for details.
> >
> > The rule is simple.
> >
> > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
> >
> > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
> >
> > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see
> below)
> > with the title and artists name(s).
> >
> > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 ,
> please
> > contact me too.
> >
> > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
> >
> >
> >
> > Yannick Edom
> > Mirage Créations
> > Champlain B7 A 101
> > 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> > 31500 TOULOUSE
> > FRANCE
> >
> > e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
TheInfection
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles part 1 - the source?
I've heard that the material in Part 1 is pretty much
non-Franke so to speak. Altough I admit that there are
parts that sounds very much of the style of Chris.
But I have no official info about this one.
Regards,
TheInfection
--- John Vertical wrote:
> Okay, this is a studio creation. But does anyone
> know whether it was
> composed before or after Chris Franke left? I mean,
> the album was released
> in 88 so that would imply non-Franke, but it doesn't
> sound much like that.
> Eg: index 3 is highly sequenced, pretty reminescent
> of Underwater Sunlight -
> this is indeed mentioned in the Dream Roots booklet
> too.
> So, was this a patchwork of previously unreleased
> material, or composed
> specially for the album? Are there any facts about
> this?
>
> John Vertical
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles part 1 - the source?
> I've heard that the material in Part 1 is pretty much
> non-Franke so to speak. Altough I admit that there are
> parts that sounds very much of the style of Chris.
> But I have no official info about this one.
This is an excerpt of what is written in the booklet of the 1996 Castle
Communications release (ESM CD 368)
'It's a very controversial record - a lot of people have said it's not live.
We did a rehearsal in the afternoon at Albuquerque during the sound check.
Part of the album was recorded then and another part was recorded during the
gig itself. We also used a bit of an encore and a little portion of the
Albuquerque concert was performed later on in New York which we subsequently
edited into the same performance' (Edgar Froese)
regards
Heiko
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:56
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: [TT1]
my apologies - that was totally my fault. I don't remember exactly what I
was thining but I think I wanted to se4nd the top part separately to the
list. What I sent was supposed to be off-list.
JOe
From:
jerome
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III
hi, yannick...
put ionic down for a track or two...
=)
jerome
--- Yannick EDOM wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do.
>
> So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists.
>
> It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project.
>
> So be it !
>
> I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs.
>
> For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is
> longer than the 10 minutes maximum required.
>
> I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR
> PROMISED TRACK.
>
> So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
> The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below)
> with the title and artists name(s).
>
> But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please
> contact me too.
>
> The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
>
>
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
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>
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From:
TheInfection
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 11:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles part 1 - the source?
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> This is an excerpt of what is written in the booklet
> of the 1996 Castle
> Communications release (ESM CD 368)
Oh, yeah, then I do have some official statements
about that! It has been a while since I read the
booklet...
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 11:57
am
Subject: Soundscapes - Advance Ticket Information
The Ministry of Inside Things will perform their special brand of spacemusic at
the second installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series. The concert will take
place at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island, Saturday, June 22, at
8:00 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm for a free dinner buffet provided by Chef Jeff.
Those who attended Soundscapes #1 will recall a memorable evening of great music
and food. Soundscapes #2 promises to be just as enjoyable, as well as being the
only source of live spacemusic in the Lehigh Valley (southeastern Pennsylvania).
Admission at the door will be $15. Full time Students with valid ID and members
of WDIY and WMUH will receive a $5 discount. Advance tickets will be $10 (no
discounts), and are available at these fine outlets:
Compact Disc Center
1365 Easton Ave.
near Linden and Elizabeth in Bethlehem, Pa
610-864-3070
Speedy's Record Shop
1001 Union Blvd
east of Airport Rd. in Allentown, Pa
610-432-8386
The Ministry Of Inside Things, based in the Philadelphia area, consists of
electric guitarist Art Cohen and synthesist Chuck van Zyl. Considered among
the most innovative of electronic musicians in the U.S. today, the members of
MoIT are influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash
Ra Tempel. Their spacemusic has been described as linear because it leads the
listener across many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry Of
Inside Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme,
often for two hours at a stretch. Through the use of textures and atmospheres
as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an
internal sonic excursion.
Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music and performing in public for
over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best
known for hosting one of the country's most successful radio shows of electronic
music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Van Zyl has released two CDs of
spacemusic on the Centaur label, Celestial Mechanics and The Relic. The Sound
Museum with Peter Gulch and D. Andrew Rath was released on the Groove label in
2001. A collaborative effort with Peter Gulch, Regeneration Mode, was released
on their own Synkronos label.
Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and
in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the
space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create
soundworlds of immense depth and beauty.
The Ministry Of Inside Things has performed at Art & Technology, The
Philadelphia Museum of Art, First Night Wilmington, the Wild Talents opening
reception at the ICA, Gate To Moon Base Alpha, the Boyertown Planetarium,
Gathering Concert Series, on the 01.28.01 broadcast of STAR'S END, and on the
07.12.01 broadcast of EMUSIC.
Soundscapes #2 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music.
Bill
billfox@f...
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com
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From:
fstephe@a...
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 1:03
pm
Subject: Finally a refund
Hello Tadreamers...
After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny,
all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going
to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event,
etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
Did anybody else have this much trouble?
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Finally a refund
Actually I got mine automatically credited to my charge card within a few
weeks...I didn;t even have to ask....
Original Message:
-----------------
From: fstephe@a...
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:03:30 -0400
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund
Hello Tadreamers...
After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny,
all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going
to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event,
etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
Did anybody else have this much trouble?
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 4:18
pm
Subject: Livemiles
>This is an excerpt of what is written in the booklet of the 1996 Castle
>Communications release (ESM CD 368)
>
>'It's a very controversial record - a lot of people have said it's not live.
>We did a rehearsal in the afternoon at Albuquerque during the sound check.
>Part of the album was recorded then and another part was recorded during the
>gig itself. We also used a bit of an encore and a little portion of the
>Albuquerque concert was performed later on in New York which we subsequently
>edited into the same performance' (Edgar Froese)
Which is all wonderful fiction.
Not one second of the 'Albuquerque' part of Livemiles matches the concert.
There is a very clear recording of the whole show available. If he wants to
argue with the fantape, it's going to be a long night. :)
June 28 New York, U.S.A. The Beacon Theatre
Anyone have this recording care to comment on Edgar's claim?
To my knowledge, the New York show was unremarkable in comparison to other
86 shows.
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
yes
I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show..
Perhaps I will have to do what you did?
I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this.
If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same way.
This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think they
get plenty already from me.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM
Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund
> Hello Tadreamers...
>
> After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
> Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
> October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
> actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
> week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny,
> all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going
> to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event,
> etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
>
> Did anybody else have this much trouble?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 5:34
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
I think the refund is automatic if you never took physical possession of the
tickets (ie will call). If you have the actual tickets you need to follow
Ticketmaster instructions about sending them to the regional service center for
a refund.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k...
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:22:08 -0700
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
yes
I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show..
Perhaps I will have to do what you did?
I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this.
If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same way.
This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think they
get plenty already from me.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM
Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund
> Hello Tadreamers...
>
> After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
> Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
> October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
> actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
> week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny,
> all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going
> to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event,
> etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
>
> Did anybody else have this much trouble?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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>
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>
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 5:50
pm
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
never got them
have been getting big run around
Here are a few things I been told
call here
that person isn't here
call back
check your records
we sent you a refund
call back at ...
we will look into it
we never had TD here
I forgot the rest of this... I guess if I am not told those things about 5
times, I tend to forget how they go...
Really, it has become one of those things I go back and check on every few
weeks or so.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
> I think the refund is automatic if you never took physical possession of
the tickets (ie will call). If you have the actual tickets you need to
follow Ticketmaster instructions about sending them to the regional service
center for a refund.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k...
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:22:08 -0700
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
>
>
> yes
> I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show..
> Perhaps I will have to do what you did?
> I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this.
> If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same
way.
> This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think
they
> get plenty already from me.
>
> Dale
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund
>
>
> > Hello Tadreamers...
> >
> > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
> > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
> > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
> > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
> > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny,
> > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going
> > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event,
> > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
> >
> > Did anybody else have this much trouble?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 6:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
As a former TM employee...I know exactly what there refund policy is....
all sales ARE final...no refunds, exchanges, or cancellations UNLESS the event
is cancelled....they never should have given you a hard time about it...i used
to have the corp tele # in LA....if i still had it, i'd be more than happy to
give it to you, so you can file a complaint.
'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote:
> never got them
> have been getting big run around
> Here are a few things I been told
>
> call here
> that person isn't here
> call back
> check your records
> we sent you a refund
> call back at ...
> we will look into it
> we never had TD here
>
> I forgot the rest of this... I guess if I am not told those things about 5
> times, I tend to forget how they go...
> Really, it has become one of those things I go back and check on every few
> weeks or so.
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:34 AM
> Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
>
> > I think the refund is automatic if you never took physical possession of
> the tickets (ie will call). If you have the actual tickets you need to
> follow Ticketmaster instructions about sending them to the regional service
> center for a refund.
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k...
> > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:22:08 -0700
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund
> >
> >
> > yes
> > I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show..
> > Perhaps I will have to do what you did?
> > I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this.
> > If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same
> way.
> > This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think
> they
> > get plenty already from me.
> >
> > Dale
> > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > admin@k...
> > 661-723-0266
> > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund
> >
> >
> > > Hello Tadreamers...
> > >
> > > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
> > > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
> > > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
> > > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
> > > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny,
> > > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going
> > > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event,
> > > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
> > >
> > > Did anybody else have this much trouble?
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:37
pm
Subject: (Off Topic) The phenomenal THEIF.
I have a flavour for all the magical releases that the GREATEST
Tangerine Dream have released,but the one soundtrack that lifts me
amongst the stars will always be the Mercurial THEIF,i am yet again
listening to the brilliance now,surely this must be one of their very
best?Im just off to KISS Edgars towel?Tangerine Dream-
Undoubtedly,the WORLDS number 1.
Best regards CJ
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 9:40
pm
Subject: Off Topic
Sorry for this all,
Frank Arellano, please contact me off list again. My posts to you keep
getting bounced saying something about the return e-mail address is not
valid, meaning mine. And it is correct.
Anyone have any ideas?
Neal
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu May 23, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: re finally a refund
I had no trouble with ticketmaster (TM) at all--every ticket for the TD US
(2001/2002) tours I rcvd in the mail (SFbay area/ventura) I was refunded and
still have the tickets. TM even went so far in 2001 to call me to tell me
the ventura concert had been postponed and they called to tell me that the
makeup ventura date in 2002 had been cancelled. I could be wrong--the venue
may have called me--but not too likely since it was TM who has/had my phone
number.
Additionally, from ticketmaster I have rcvd a free seat upgrade when I've
had willcall, e.g. last row of the lower section of shoreline amphitheatre
to second row orchestra pit. They did that for me at the GoGos
reunion/B52s/Psychedelic Furs show a couple of years back--actually it looks
like it was from the B52s themselves. they seated me right next to some
folks taht won a high bid auction from VH1--and no, I didn't ask how much
they paid :)
When my tickets have been lost in the mail, TM also been quite helpful.
They issue you a lost seat pass rather than reissuing your ticket which
makes sense. If, in the case of a reserved seating event, someone shows up
with the ticket--the person with the lost ticket pass gets the seat--I have
no idea what happens to the person with the tickets 'cause as far as I can
tell the tickets were truly lost in the mail.
So while their fees seem high, they have given me service when I've needed
it and even when I've not (see upgrade).
Wish I could say the same about Tickets.com--bassticket--in the old days).
--T
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 12:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re finally a refund
Going back on my notes I have, it isn't TM that is the problem. It is the
Theater. That is who I gave credit card info to. They are the ones that must
refund. Not TM.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: [tadream] re finally a refund
> I had no trouble with ticketmaster (TM) at all--every ticket for the TD US
> (2001/2002) tours I rcvd in the mail (SFbay area/ventura) I was refunded
and
> still have the tickets. TM even went so far in 2001 to call me to tell me
> the ventura concert had been postponed and they called to tell me that the
> makeup ventura date in 2002 had been cancelled. I could be wrong--the
venue
> may have called me--but not too likely since it was TM who has/had my
phone
> number.
>
> Additionally, from ticketmaster I have rcvd a free seat upgrade when I've
> had willcall, e.g. last row of the lower section of shoreline amphitheatre
> to second row orchestra pit. They did that for me at the GoGos
> reunion/B52s/Psychedelic Furs show a couple of years back--actually it
looks
> like it was from the B52s themselves. they seated me right next to some
> folks taht won a high bid auction from VH1--and no, I didn't ask how much
> they paid :)
>
> When my tickets have been lost in the mail, TM also been quite helpful.
> They issue you a lost seat pass rather than reissuing your ticket which
> makes sense. If, in the case of a reserved seating event, someone shows
up
> with the ticket--the person with the lost ticket pass gets the seat--I
have
> no idea what happens to the person with the tickets 'cause as far as I can
> tell the tickets were truly lost in the mail.
>
> So while their fees seem high, they have given me service when I've needed
> it and even when I've not (see upgrade).
>
> Wish I could say the same about Tickets.com--bassticket--in the old days).
>
> --T
>
>
>
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 1:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] (Off Topic) The phenomenal THEIF.
The Thief is also one of my favorite CDs by TD. I
finally picked up the SBM version of it and it's odd
to compare against my original release. Certainly it's
a lot brighter and everything has more definition but
it's almost like a different recording to me. There
are times when, on the SBM, I seem to hear guitar
flubs due to the clarity.
The info on the SBM CD is also odd. The booklet
credits the composers as Franke, Frose (their
spelling), & Schmoelling (as does the original CD) but
on the back cover it credits Franke, Froese, &
Baumann. I'm assuming that Baumann is incorrect.
I've also seen this listed all over the place as
'Live' which it doesn't seem to be. I was originally
going to pass my older copy on to a friend but I find
the two to be different enought sounding that I'm
going ot keep them both. I've heard the first one so
many times it is ingrained in my head while the SBM is
mentally another recording, I can almost pretend it is
live.
DanD
--- convention24 wrote:
> I have a flavour for all the magical releases that
> the GREATEST
> Tangerine Dream have released,but the one soundtrack
> that lifts me
> amongst the stars will always be the Mercurial
> THEIF,i am yet again
> listening to the brilliance now,surely this must be
> one of their very
> best?Im just off to KISS Edgars towel?Tangerine
> Dream-
> Undoubtedly,the WORLDS number 1.
> Best regards CJ
>
>
=====
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www.dtbits.com
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 3:15
am
Subject: Thief live?
>Dan Downey said:
>The info on the SBM CD is also odd. The booklet
>credits the composers as Franke, Frose (their
>spelling), & Schmoelling (as does the original CD) but
>on the back cover it credits Franke, Froese, &
>Baumann. I'm assuming that Baumann is incorrect.
>
>I've also seen this listed all over the place as
>'Live' which it doesn't seem to be. I was originally
>going to pass my older copy on to a friend but I find
>the two to be different enought sounding that I'm
>going ot keep them both. I've heard the first one so
>many times it is ingrained in my head while the SBM is
>mentally another recording, I can almost pretend it is
>live.
The SBM CD was done by Virgin. They didn't pay any attention it seems.
Thief is definitely a Froese, Franke, Schmoelling album/soundtrack that was
not performed live.
Although you'd be prudent to get ahold of a 1981 concert recording or two
if you'd like to hear some expanded versions of the Thief and Firestarter
themes.
The SBM makes a big difference in the sound quality more from the fact that
they went back to the master tape than the Super Bit-Mapping process.
-Morgan
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 7:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief live?
> >The info on the SBM CD is also odd. The booklet
> >credits the composers as Franke, Frose (their
> >spelling), & Schmoelling (as does the original CD) but
> >on the back cover it credits Franke, Froese, &
> >Baumann. I'm assuming that Baumann is incorrect.
> >
> >I've also seen this listed all over the place as
> >'Live' which it doesn't seem to be. I was originally
> >going to pass my older copy on to a friend but I find
> >the two to be different enought sounding that I'm
> >going ot keep them both. I've heard the first one so
> >many times it is ingrained in my head while the SBM is
> >mentally another recording, I can almost pretend it is
> >live.
>
>The SBM CD was done by Virgin. They didn't pay any attention it seems.
>
>Thief is definitely a Froese, Franke, Schmoelling album/soundtrack that was
>not performed live.
It really is amazing how enthusiastically they were able to not pay any
attention. It's not just Thief; back covers of Tangram and Exit also list
Baumann. Further, Exit is also labeled 'live'. This is just too persistant
in order to be just typos.. apparently there're some major
misunderstandings.
And what's the logic about the album numbers? Encore is #1, numbers 2-4 go
for WE, Logos and Hb; then they restart from Phaedra and fill in all the
gaps, Exit being the last one(14)?
I bet that when(if?) they re-release Edgar's solo albums, they will be
credited for Jerome... ;)
John Vertical
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TheInfection
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 7:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief live?
--- John Vertical wrote:
> It really is amazing how enthusiastically they were
> able to not pay any
> attention. It's not just Thief; back covers of
> Tangram and Exit also list
> Baumann. Further, Exit is also labeled 'live'. This
> is just too persistant
> in order to be just typos.. apparently there're some
> major
> misunderstandings.
Virgin is a company that wants to make easy money and
fast - they don't care about anything else. The
situation with Mike Oldfield showed this. They wanted
him to make Tubular Bells 2 and in the 80's they
wanted him to make more pop songs like Moonlight
Shadow. Eventually he made TB2, but after he had fleed
the company.
> And what's the logic about the album numbers? Encore
> is #1, numbers 2-4 go
> for WE, Logos and Hb; then they restart from Phaedra
> and fill in all the
> gaps, Exit being the last one(14)?
I think that the numbers indicate the order they were
re-released. Encore was released first and so on...
> I bet that when(if?) they re-release Edgar's solo
> albums, they will be
> credited for Jerome... ;)
Don't even think about that!
Regards,
TheInfection
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From:
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Date: Fri May 24, 2002 1:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re-re- Dwt-1,2 and 3..!!
hI, all
Some time back now,I 'registered' my interest as a leaf for 1+2 , and indeed
I would like to be also down for 3, please- although this lonely leaf seems
unable to be able to connect with a branch... can anyone please help..?
Trading for blank cd's in return isnt a problem...
Hoping...
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Paul
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist $270
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #270 May 23, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana,
who will be making rare concert appearances together at Projektfest and the
Gathering this coming Memorial Day weekend. The Featured CD at midnight was
'Live Archive' on the Groove label.
The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Deluxe' by Harmonia on the Brain label.
I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at
the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Details can be
seen on the Events page.
Steve Roach and vidnaObmana
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#may
The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Harmonia Notre Dame Deluxe (Brain)
John Rose O.B.E. Cosmogenesis (Space for Music)
Darshan Ambient Worm Asleep Darshan Ambient (none)
Klangwelt Metallino Weltweit (Spheric Music)
Terra Ambient The Breathing Earth The Darker Space (none)
Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the Live at the ICA (Synkronos)
Things World Sleeps
Chris Short and Quest for Paradise The Yellow House (In the
Vir Unis Bubble Music)
Tom Heasley Prelude * On the Sensastions of Tone
(Innova)
Roach & Obmana Verucchio Invocation Live Archive (Groove)
12:00 am
Roach & Obmana Common Ground Live Archive (Groove)
Roach & Obmana Two Reptiles Live Archive (Groove)
Roach & Obmana Dreampipe Dialogue Live Archive (Groove)
Roach & Obmana Soundworld Collage Live Archive (Groove)
Roach & Obmana Ascension Live Archive (Groove)
Roach & Obmana Tribal Perspective Live Archive (Groove)
Roach & Obmana Divine Innermission Live Archive (Groove)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach and
vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Circles and Artifacts'
on the Contemporary Harmonic label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Planeten Sit-In' by the Cosmic
Jokers on the Ohr label.
Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
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Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration.
Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
From:
tweibrecht@j...
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1355
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:03:30 -0400
> From: fstephe@a...
> Subject: Finally a refund
>
> Hello Tadreamers...
>
> After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from
> Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in
> October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We
> actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a
>
> week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket.
> Funny,
> all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was
> going
> to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game,
> event,
> etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area.
>
> Did anybody else have this much trouble?
>
Sue them on what grounds? Conversion? Breach of contract? Intentional
infliction of emotional distress?
Always use a credit card and never pay the charge until you have tix in
hand.
tom w
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Date: Fri May 24, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1355
> June 28 New York, U.S.A. The Beacon Theatre
> Anyone have this recording care to comment on Edgar's claim?
>
> To my knowledge, the New York show was unremarkable in comparison to
> other
> 86 shows.
>
> -Morgan
>
One of the top ten shows i saw in my life...Unfortunately, the recording
suffers from a chemical imbalance.
tom w
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 5:38
pm
Subject: 1986 New York
I did not use the right word when I described the New York 1986 show.
I meant that I have not heard anything to indicate that the music differed
there or that they played anything that would end up on Livemiles.
Of course, it could have been a fabulous show with nice improvisations.
-Morgan
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: Re: Soundscapes - Advance Ticket Information
A typo creeped into a phone number:
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bill Fox'
> Advance tickets will be $10 (no
> discounts), and are available at these fine outlets:
>
> Compact Disc Center
> 1365 Easton Ave.
> near Linden and Elizabeth in Bethlehem, Pa
610-868-3070 is their correct number. Sorry for the hassle.
Bill
billfox@f...
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Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: Soundscapes #2 - Advance Ticket Information
A typo creeped into a phone number:
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bill Fox'
> Advance tickets will be $10 (no
> discounts), and are available at these fine outlets:
> Compact Disc Center
610-868-3070 is their correct number. Sorry for the hassle.
Bill
billfox@f...
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat May 25, 2002 3:55
pm
Subject: Fw: Steve Roach + Vidna Obmana at the Gathering 26 May 2002
I hope you don't mind the cross post, but this is an important event that I
think many of you will be interested in.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: 'c_vanzyl'
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: [SPACEMUSIC] Steve Roach + Vidna Obmana at the Gathering 26 May 2002
> Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana are scheduled to perform together live at
> the Gathering in Philadelphia on Sunday 26 May 2002 with shows at
> 7:30pm & 9:30pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's Hamilton
> Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in University City.
> These performances are presented in association with ProjektFest, the
> Projekt label 3-Day Memorial Day WeekEnd festival.
>
> The Gathering's ticket allotment at TicketWeb has sold out, but we
> expect that there will still be tickets at the door. Those who
> purchased the 3-day ProjektFest package have first priority for
> admission; if there is room, walk-ups will be admitted. If (by some
> chance) the 7:30pm concert is full, there is also a 9:30pm show.
>
> In either case it is important to arrive early as admission and
> seating will be on a first-come first-served basis; once the concert
> begun, seating will be at the discretion of the house manager.
>
> For details, pleaae access the website at:
> http://www.thegatherings.org
>
> Thanks for your attention! See you at the Gathering this weekend!
>
> -chuckv
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sat May 25, 2002 11:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1354
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ELVIS COSTELLO: WHEN I WAS CRUEL (ISLAND) 2 X 180gm Gatefold. Check out
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From:
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Date: Sun May 26, 2002 2:07
am
Subject: Different Legend DVDs
What is the summary on the different Legend DVD releases?
The Ultimate Edition has:
- Director's Cut w/Goldsmith soundtrack
- Theatrical Release w/Tangerine Dream soundtrack
BTW, I think the packaging is very poor.
I also have the French Legend on DVD, but I assume it is:
- Theatrical Release w/Goldsmith soundtrack
?? Can someone please verify since I cannot play PAL region 2??
If this would be true, then that means there are 3 different Legend versions
on DVD?
Any other Legend DVD out there?
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From:
'rbicon'
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 12:24
pm
Subject: Klaus Schulze concert listing
Hi,everybody. I hope all of you is doing great.
I'm searching for info about a possible concert date listings of
Klaus Schulze.
I have a bootleg, date August 21,1999.
I don't know the venue, and if it's possible that K.S. played a
concert on that date.In fact, i can't find any info on the web.
There are a lot of TD bootlegs listings on the web. Bootlegs listings
and dates of concert, even if there are no boots. So is there
something like this does exist for K.S.?
Sorry for my bad english...
If anyone could help, i'll appreciate a lot.
Thanks
Sylvain from Québec
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan
np/Nemesis-Sky Archeology (wich is very good)
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Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 1:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze concert listing
Sylvain,
I found this on the Klaus Schulze homepage. It should answer your question.
>Klaus Schulze concert in August
>Klaus will give another solo concert on August 21st. Location: Open Air in
Cologne ('Kickzone Festival' at Müngersdorfer Schwimmstadion). Klaus will
play just 60 minutes.
>A notice for the more 'classic KS' oriented fans: Forty other acts are
signed for the festival, mostly DJs who perform their techno music on four
stages. Please expect no 'kraut' but today's modern music. Klaus'
performance is scheduled to start at 23:30 h. You can find more information
(in German) at http://www.livemusichall.de
>
THE HIGHLANDER
At 12:24 PM 5/26/02 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi,everybody. I hope all of you is doing great.
>I'm searching for info about a possible concert date listings of
>Klaus Schulze.
>I have a bootleg, date August 21,1999.
>I don't know the venue, and if it's possible that K.S. played a
>concert on that date.In fact, i can't find any info on the web.
>There are a lot of TD bootlegs listings on the web. Bootlegs listings
>and dates of concert, even if there are no boots. So is there
>something like this does exist for K.S.?
>Sorry for my bad english...
>If anyone could help, i'll appreciate a lot.
>Thanks
>Sylvain from Québec
From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 4:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Different Legend DVDs
Hello Vic,
The European version of LEGEND was released in February this year. It
must be pretty much the same as the French release.
Legend R2 indeed has the longer European cut of the theatrical release
w/Goldsmith. This cut is considered to be more artsy than the US
theatrical release but not AS extended as the Director's cut (but very
similar). Legend R2 also has a US (!!!) theatrical trailer as a bonus.
The picture and sound quality is not as clear as on the Ultimate Ed.
Because of all these, I'm getting the Ultimate Edition instead of the
European edition (and besides, I have seen the European cut on TV 3
times - and never seen the version w/TD.)
Pal.
p.s. There is Legend R4, which is pretty similar to the 'Ultimate'
package. Anyway, you are right in saying there are 3 different cuts of
Legend on DVD
Sunday, May 26, 2002, 4:07:20 AM, you wrote:
vr> What is the summary on the different Legend DVD releases?
vr> The Ultimate Edition has:
vr> - Director's Cut w/Goldsmith soundtrack
vr> - Theatrical Release w/Tangerine Dream soundtrack
vr> BTW, I think the packaging is very poor.
vr> I also have the French Legend on DVD, but I assume it is:
vr> - Theatrical Release w/Goldsmith soundtrack
vr> ?? Can someone please verify since I cannot play PAL region 2??
vr> If this would be true, then that means there are 3 different Legend versions
vr> on DVD?
vr> Any other Legend DVD out there?
vr> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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vr> ----------------------------------------------------_-
vr> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
vr> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
vr> Tangerine Tree info at
vr> http://www.tadream.net/tree
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From:
'mudspanker'
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: Re: PETITION PEEL for 34 years
Poland was my first purchase after listening to excerpts from
Barbakane played by Tommy Vance on the Friday Rock show, BBC Radio
One.
Did TD record any sessions for John Peel? If so, shouldn't we
petition the BBC for a Peel Sessions release such as those for the
Orb and Cocteau Twins etc.?
From:
inthelightning@a...
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys
In a message dated 5/13/2002 4:35:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
GKNARFAPPAZ@a... writes:
> It was used on the whole of that tour. I saw them in Manchester and bought
> the C.D in the interval before Tangerine Dream came on.
> I love it to chill out to but I know there are many that can't stand it.
> Derek
>
*I've grown to like it but to be honest think the 'ambiences' would have been
better if they were mixed a little lower.
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'yanx_88'
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:04
pm
Subject: Re: m.
Shamballa is a type of energy healing of a seemingly higher vibration
than Usui Reiki, in which Chi is channeled into someone or something
living to help them balance and heal.
http://www.metagifted.org/topics/meta/shamballa/
Yanick
--- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/16/2002 3:00:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
> heiko@o... writes:
>
>
> > this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on
TDI.
> >
> > But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'.
> >
> > Regards
> > heiko
> >
>
> No one noticed it's Shamballa spelled backwards?
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'spooko12000'
Date: Fri May 24, 2002 9:54
am
Subject: Help!!
Hi folks. New member here and I'm really hoping that someone out
there can help me with this.
I'm desperately trying to find Tangerine Dream's score for the film
LEGEND. I've got the official release and 2 versions of the
bootleg/promo but none of them contain the fabulous music featured at
the film's end where the battle with Darkness takes place. there are
other missing cues as well but if i could even get this bit ,that'd
be something.
Can anyone help me with this?
As it seems unusual that no version contains the final section's
music ,I wondered if maybe it was an existing TD piece that was used
in at the last minute. Perhaps fans that are more familiar with TDs
music than myself can tell me?
I can't believe the full score isn't out there somewhere.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Martin
From:
'yanx_88'
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:06
pm
Subject: Image added in Files section
I upload a jpg image ticket from the 1992 Rockoon Tour in Quebec city
in Files section (tdQc92.jpg). Great show!
Sorry for my bad english...
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Different Legend DVDs
Hi Pal!
Thanks for the information. Maybe you should send this information to the
list also?
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: Szatmari Pal
To: vic rek
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Different Legend DVDs
> Hello Vic,
>
> The European version of LEGEND was released in February this year. It
> must be pretty much the same as the French release.
>
> Legend R2 indeed has the longer European cut of the theatrical release
> w/Goldsmith. This cut is considered to be more artsy than the US
> theatrical release but not AS extended as the Director's cut (but very
> similar). Legend R2 also has a US (!!!) theatrical trailer as a bonus.
> The picture and sound quality is not as clear as on the Ultimate Ed.
>
> Because of all these, I'm getting the Ultimate Edition instead of the
> European edition (and besides, I have seen the European cut on TV 3
> times - and never seen the version w/TD.)
>
> Pal.
>
> p.s. There is Legend R4, which is pretty similar to the 'Ultimate'
> package. Anyway, you are right in saying there are 3 different cuts of
> Legend on DVD
>
>
> Sunday, May 26, 2002, 4:07:20 AM, you wrote:
>
> vr> What is the summary on the different Legend DVD releases?
>
> vr> The Ultimate Edition has:
> vr> - Director's Cut w/Goldsmith soundtrack
> vr> - Theatrical Release w/Tangerine Dream soundtrack
> vr> BTW, I think the packaging is very poor.
>
> vr> I also have the French Legend on DVD, but I assume it is:
> vr> - Theatrical Release w/Goldsmith soundtrack
> vr> ?? Can someone please verify since I cannot play PAL region 2??
>
> vr> If this would be true, then that means there are 3 different Legend
versions
> vr> on DVD?
> vr> Any other Legend DVD out there?
>
>
>
> vr> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> vr> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> vr> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> vr> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> vr> Tangerine Tree info at
> vr> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> vr> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Szatmari mailto:koronzon@m...
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 11:18
am
Subject: Three Phase Video
Hello all,
a friend of mine is clearing out his collection and has found a spare
copy of the Three Phase video. If anyone would be interested, please
contact me off-list, and I'll put you in touch with him.
Dennis
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 1:00
pm
Subject: Boston
We are visiting Boston for the weekend, and my wife wants to make a quick visit
to Cape Cod today...Any list members on the Cape who could show us around?
MJ
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Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: Klaus in the USA
Hi all,
I'll be in the Phoenix,AZ area (Gilbert) June 7 - 13.
Anybody out there fancy to meet up for a chat ?
cheers,
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 7:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1358
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:54:20 -0000
> From: 'mudspanker'
> Subject: Re: PETITION PEEL for 34 years
>
> Poland was my first purchase after listening to excerpts from
> Barbakane played by Tommy Vance on the Friday Rock show, BBC Radio
> One.
>
> Did TD record any sessions for John Peel? If so, shouldn't we
> petition the BBC for a Peel Sessions release such as those for the
> Orb and Cocteau Twins etc.?
Yes, there was a John Peel session by Tangerine Dream. Peel also played tracks
from Atem, other early albums, and probably the now fairly well-known
Chichester festival pieces - Overture, Zeus and Baroque.
But when a kind person recently sent me the remaining session recording (from
1974 I think), which I was incredibly pleased to have since it was the first
time I ever heard the band, it became obvious why no-one ever talks about this
piece.
It's really out of tune :-))))
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: Peel Session
>Yes, there was a John Peel session by Tangerine Dream. Peel also played tracks
>from Atem, other early albums, and probably the now fairly well-known
>Chichester festival pieces - Overture, Zeus and Baroque.
>
>But when a kind person recently sent me the remaining session recording (from
>1974 I think), which I was incredibly pleased to have since it was the first
>time I ever heard the band, it became obvious why no-one ever talks about this
>piece.
>
>It's really out of tune :-))))
>
>-ampmusic
So how many hundred e-mails have you gotten so far asking for the
date/venue of this rare 1974 piece?
No doubt these replays of Overture, Zeus, and Baroque are the source of the
pristine recordings floating around. :)
-Morgan
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: test, sorry!!
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Peel Session
Morgan,
Is this the Phaedra show? This is the show that
everyone wants.
Wade
--- Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Yes, there was a John Peel session by Tangerine
> Dream. Peel also played tracks
> >from Atem, other early albums, and probably the now
> fairly well-known
> >Chichester festival pieces - Overture, Zeus and
> Baroque.
> >
> >But when a kind person recently sent me the
> remaining session recording (from
> >1974 I think), which I was incredibly pleased to
> have since it was the first
> >time I ever heard the band, it became obvious why
> no-one ever talks about this
> >piece.
> >
> >It's really out of tune :-))))
> >
> >-ampmusic
>
> So how many hundred e-mails have you gotten so far
> asking for the
> date/venue of this rare 1974 piece?
>
> No doubt these replays of Overture, Zeus, and
> Baroque are the source of the
> pristine recordings floating around. :)
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: DWT 2 trak list
Anyone happen to have the DWT 2 trak list handy, so I can get it printed
out?
Many thanx.
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 7:27
pm
Subject: Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
Joe, Tom, et. al.:
Sorry to have to send this through the list, but I'm
not sure who the best person is to query on this.
I have been trying to print the coverart for my copy
of the two Dreamwatcher Tales volumes, but despite all
my efforts, my two label printing software packages
(Adaptec and Mediaface II) will not take .gif files.
Any suggestions for how to get around this? The
solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm
frustrated.
Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to
contact me off the list...
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 8:28
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
Hi,
no chance (or tool available) to convert the gif to jpeg or whatever your
program accepts?
Send the files over to me (off list). I'll try to convert them to whatever
format you perfer (hope i can :)) )
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 21:27
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
>
>
> Joe, Tom, et. al.:
>
> Sorry to have to send this through the list, but I'm
> not sure who the best person is to query on this.
>
> I have been trying to print the coverart for my copy
> of the two Dreamwatcher Tales volumes, but despite all
> my efforts, my two label printing software packages
> (Adaptec and Mediaface II) will not take .gif files.
>
> Any suggestions for how to get around this? The
> solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm
> frustrated.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to
> contact me off the list...
>
> Deb H-J
> dhj4@y...
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 8:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
From: 'Deb H-J'
> Any suggestions for how to get around this? The
> solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm
> frustrated.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to
> contact me off the list...
Open Internet Explorer. For each .GIF file you want to convert, drag and
drop the file into the Internet Explorer window so it displays in the
browser. Right click on the image in IE, and select Save Picture As. In the
Save Picture dialog box, click the drop down box marked Save As Type. You
should be able to change the file type from GIF to Windows Bitmap (BMP).
Then choose a place on your hard drive and save the file. You should be able
to load the BMP file into Mediaface or any graphics package.
Maff
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 8:42
pm
Subject: Pretty much OT: Analog Sequencers
A question to all musos on this list... please feel free to contact me off-list
if you wish.
Anyone out there use an analog sequencer? Well, I kind of know the answer to
that having seen some of the Okefenokee photos...
Thinking of getting Doepfer Schaltwerk or Regelwerk. I understand from reading
a review on the ampmusic site that the Maq might not be all that good?
I'm leaning towards the Regelwerk because it looks like I can control eight
channels of Live using the first eight faders, and then have eight tracks of
sequences using the other 16. Looks like the current version can transpose
sequences based on midi input.
I have a few 'analog' software sequencers and plugins, as well as Nord modular
sequences, but I'm looking for something hands on with knobs or other controls
that can be tweaked in realtime.
Also because my current notebook isn't too good at being able to run Live and
Cubase and too many virtual synths all at the same time.
Perhaps I might be better off getting a second notebook and dedicated
controller.
I appreciate any thoughts.
THANKS!!!
Wes
Liondream@a...
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 9:07
pm
Subject: Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate
Question For the group:
Are there any other Michael Hoenig releases from the Baulder's Gate series
other than the soundtrack CD that was included with the collector's edition of
the original game? I know he composed the music for one of the other games, but
was it ever released?
-jim
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 9:26
pm
Subject: Analog synths?
>A question to all musos on this list... please feel free to contact me
>off-list
>if you wish.
>
>Anyone out there use an analog sequencer? Well, I kind of know the answer to
>that having seen some of the Okefenokee photos...
>
>-Wes
If every Nord owner who attended Oke 2002 had brought theirs, we would have
had 6 or 7 of them!
Sounds like a ringing endorsement to me. :)
-Morgan
From:
'Neil Hudson'
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 10:11
pm
Subject: Late Junction / John Peel
UK fans might like to know that the eclectic Radio 3 programme 'Late
Junction' will be playing 'a blast from the past with Tangerine Dream'
during the programme on Thursday 30 May. The programme runs from 22:15 till
00:05. It'll only be an old album track, but it's nice to know that someone
at the BBC still thinks that TD are worth playing.
By the way, John Peel hasn't given up on the band. It was only a few years
ago that he played the whole of 'Origin of Supernatural Possibilities',
apparently to teach a lesson to various ambient musicians, and he also
played a track by Star Sounds Orchestra under the mistaken belief that this
was TD under an assumed name. I haven't had a chance to hear his programme
recently though.
Neil Hudson
PS The usual obsequious thanks to all concerned with the Tangerine Tree -
all well worth the wait. Any chance of a pre-Phaedra concert in the future?
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 11:30
pm
Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
Photoshop works wonders for image conversion.
Herbert wrote:
> Hi,
> no chance (or tool available) to convert the gif to jpeg or whatever your
> program accepts?
> Send the files over to me (off list). I'll try to convert them to whatever
> format you perfer (hope i can :)) )
>
> Herbert
>
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...]
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 21:27
> > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
> >
> >
> > Joe, Tom, et. al.:
> >
> > Sorry to have to send this through the list, but I'm
> > not sure who the best person is to query on this.
> >
> > I have been trying to print the coverart for my copy
> > of the two Dreamwatcher Tales volumes, but despite all
> > my efforts, my two label printing software packages
> > (Adaptec and Mediaface II) will not take .gif files.
> >
> > Any suggestions for how to get around this? The
> > solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm
> > frustrated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to
> > contact me off the list...
> >
> > Deb H-J
> > dhj4@y...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 1:51
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score'
From: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...]
>I watched the directors cut last night, and it's like a totally
different film! Well, maybe not totally, but it's very different. I
thought Goldsmith's soundtrack was very good, and went very well with
the visuals. And he even used more synths than I would have guessed.
After finishing the whole package, I have to agree. The original
soundtrack is very good, and with the additional scenes, the movie takes
on a completely different tone. There's almost a 'Disney' fairy tale
feel about it (and in a good way), but that seems to be exactly what
Ridley Scott wanted (esp. if you pay attention to his remarks about the
cartoons he used to watch). I'm sorry that the version didn't include
the extended introduction and fairy dance.
> But I still prefer TD's score for some strange reason. ;-) ... I
still like the original version, but I really enjoyed the director's
cut, and wonder why they felt they had to cut so much out...
Again, I feel the same way. Maybe it's my dedication to TD , but
Goldsmith is one of my favorite composers, too. I think, for me, it's
that the TD score gives the movie a (pardon the phrase) dream-like
quality. Goldsmith's score is much more incidental, but TD's music
flows -- sometimes in the background, sometimes very much in the
foreground. It makes it feel like something that's coming out of your
own imagination versus someone telling it to you. I can see why some of
the scenes were taken out; many were just extended shots and
non-essential dialog.
>And the film looks and sounds great. The DTS track was most
impressive. The original cut clearly didn't get the same treatment video
and sound-wise, but it still looks and sounds the best it ever has by a
long shot. The deleted scenes were cool to see, as was the documentary.
I look forward to hearing the commentary over the director's cut, as
I've read it's very good.
Yeah, I was disappointed that the US release didn't get a DTS cut.
I've got a sound field adjustment on my receiver that makes it sound
better than regular Dolby Surround, so it is much better than my old VHS
version. It's Widescreen, too! Scott's commentary seemed redundant in
light of the featurette on the 2nd DVD; maybe he didn't know it existed
when he recorded the commentary. I would have liked to know a little
more about the 'back-story' to the film (what was the story behind the
elf working with the goblins?).
>I must not be a very big TD fan, as this is the first DVD of a movie
they've scored that I've bought. And I didn't buy it just for the
version of the film they scored! :-) I guess I'll have to start getting
some other TD movie DVDs to redeem myself...
Besides Legend, there's Thief, Sorcerer, Vision Quest, and Risky
Business. Near Dark is supposed to be released on DVD soon. Does
anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? After that, I'm not sure that
there are any others.
- jim
From:
atye@a...
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 2:09
am
Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
I use Irfanview...it's a free download and does anything that the average
user could possibly need for graphics.
ATYE
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 4:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score'
Jim Moore wrote:
>
-big snip-
>
> ... Does anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD?
Yes, it is. -- Mark
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 7:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score'
> > ... Does anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD?
>
>Yes, it is. -- Mark
I've seen it avaivable in about every store that sells DVDs here...
John Vertical
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 7:28
am
Subject: Ray Hallett - are you out there ?
Ray, if you see this, please contact me off list re Schulze / Froese
items.
Thanks
Toby
From:
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 8:41
am
Subject: vacation notice
hello all,
I am on vacation from 31.05. to 14.06.2002 . At this time I cant answer to your
emails, after my return (to the Berlin TD Show on 15.06.) I will answer to all
emails. Thank you.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:13
am
Subject: Klaus Schulze rarity
Anyone help me shed some light on a CD I have just acquired. It is just
called Klaus Schulze United States eighty-three. Apart from the obvious, does
anyone know where in the States this was recorded or anything else about it.
The tracks are:
Disc 1
Sequence one (43:59)
Disc 2
Sequence two (35:00)
finale (10:31)
Cheers
Derek
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity
> Anyone help me shed some light on a CD I have just acquired. It is just
> called Klaus Schulze United States eighty-three. Apart from the obvious, does
> anyone know where in the States this was recorded or anything else about it.
> The tracks are:
> Disc 1
> Sequence one (43:59)
> Disc 2
> Sequence two (35:00)
> finale (10:31)
KS never played in the U.S., as far as I know the music is an audience recording
which was taken from the London Royal Albert Hall 1991 concert.
Heiko
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity
Schulze never toured the US. This concert recording was from London Royal
Festival Hall in 1991.
Rgds
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity
Date: Wed May 29 17:13:02 HKT 2002
Anyone help me shed some light on a CD I have just acquired. It is just
called Klaus Schulze United States eighty-three. Apart from the obvious, does
anyone know where in the States this was recorded or anything else about it.
The tracks are:
Disc 1
Sequence one (43:59)
Disc 2
Sequence two (35:00)
finale (10:31)
Cheers
Derek
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity
In a message dated 29/05/02 10:19:40 GMT Daylight Time,
coldwatercanyon@s... writes:
> Schulze never toured the US. This concert recording was from London Royal
> Festival Hall in 1991.
>
Thanks for the speedy replies from both of you. That has really messed my
mind up now LOL.
Thanks to you both for that info.
Derek
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 1:30
pm
Subject: Inferno concert Berlin June 15th
So who will attend TD's 'inferno' concert at the Museumsinsel in Berlin
on June 15th? And who knows a good meeting point (restaurant, café
etc.)? Please contact me off-list.
There *might* be a chance for me/us to present the second 'Tangerine
Tree' box to Edgar & Jerome before or after the concert, but I was told
that it depends on how much time TD can spare for us fans for a short
'meet and greet'.
Heiko
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 3:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate
I've got some mp3's of stuff from Baldur's Gate 2:
06 Underdark
09 Waukeen's Promenade
13 Jon Irenicas Encounter Theme
26 The Asylum
33 Amongst the Sahaugin
Excellent sound quality, probably from a CD. The longest of these is 3:00.
I seem to remember hearing that the Polish release of BG2 (and possibly
other countries as well) included the soundtrack disc.
> -----Original Message-----
> Question For the group:
> Are there any other Michael Hoenig releases from the
> Baulder's Gate series other than the soundtrack CD that was
> included with the collector's edition of the original game? I
> know he composed the music for one of the other games, but
> was it ever released?
> -jim
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 3:33
pm
Subject: Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
Maff:
<< Open Internet Explorer. For each .GIF file you want
to convert, drag and drop the file into the Internet
Explorer window so it displays in the
browser. >>
Thanks mucho for your suggestion. I tried saving them
as .bmp files before I wrote the list, but when I
uploaded them they were so grainy that I couldn't read
the print on the labels.
I am going to try with Irfanview, and see if this does
the trick.
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I'll let the
list know what works.
Adios,
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 4:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1360
Is there a special edition for Thief? Sorcerer? And any word on The Keep
going to DVD anytime soon? Special Edition??
Neal
>>Besides Legend, there's Thief, Sorcerer, Vision Quest, and >>Risky
>>Business. Near Dark is supposed to be released on DVD >>oon. Does
>>anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? After that, I'm not sure >>that
>>there are any others.
>>- jim
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: More Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate info
According to CDDB there is a BG2 soundtrack and a BG2 bonus disc from the
MAC version. Both have the same music tracks in the same order. (The mp3s I
have are numbered and titled the same as these.)
HOWEVER, it looks like there are at least 2 versions of the first Baldur's
Gate. One is listed as Baldur's Gate Soundtrack, and the other as Baldur's
Gate the Original Saga. Both have 33 tracks, but they are in different
orders, and they differ by 1 track.
The last track on 'Baldur's Gate Soundtrack' is:
33 Icewind Dale Theme
'The Original Saga' is missing that track but has instead:
31 Ever Deeper
I don't know if both of these are official versions. Can anyone verify?
Also there is another one listed on CDDB that appears to be someone's
extractions directly from the game, since the names are mostly different,
and it includes tracks called Black Isle, BioWare, and TSR, which I would
assume is the sounds played while these companies logos are on the screen.
Track names appear to be in French.
James
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Going Off-Line
I'm going off-line as of NOW through the end of June.
I will not be able to return any e-mails until July 1st.
Take Care,
Vic Rek
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Late Junction / John Peel
Radio3 is also available on the internet.
Go to www.bbc.co.uk/radio3
I get home at about 5:15pm eastern time, just in time
I reckon!
Jonathan
--- Neil Hudson wrote:
> UK fans might like to know that the eclectic Radio 3
> programme 'Late
> Junction' will be playing 'a blast from the past
> with Tangerine Dream'
> during the programme on Thursday 30 May. The
> programme runs from 22:15 till
> 00:05. It'll only be an old album track, but it's
> nice to know that someone
> at the BBC still thinks that TD are worth playing.
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Going Off-Line
FYI for all:
you can send a blank e-mail to 'tadream-nomail@yahoogroups.com' and it will
switch your mail off until you send one of these:
tadream-normal@yahoogroups.com
or
tadream-digest@yahoogroups.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:10 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Going Off-Line
>
>
> I'm going off-line as of NOW through the end of June.
> I will not be able to return any e-mails until July 1st.
>
> Take Care,
> Vic Rek
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 6:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1360
I believe Thief is a director's cut edition. There are added scenes and a
director's commentary (with James Caan). Can't recall the surround sound
format. Sorcerer is pretty vanilla plain, though. It's not even in widescreen.
(Though I can't remember what the original film aspect ratio was. Friedkin was
kind of funny about those things.)
Isn't the Keep the only Michael Mann movie that hasn't been released on DVD?
-jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: 'E Neal Frost'
>Is there a special edition for Thief? Sorcerer? And any word on The Keep
>going to DVD anytime soon? Special Edition??
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 2:59
am
Subject: Gola (Zlatko Perica's band)
Fellow dreamers,
Has anyone got any comments on the new guitar excursions of the Z-man? I
found this site which describes (in German?) some activity by the guitarist.
Can someone familiar with them describe the music for me?
http://www.seven49.net/4-heads/gola/
Worth checking out?
Thanks.
Craig Chambers
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 7:12
am
Subject: IMMERSION - Keller Trio Final Spring Show 5.30.02
Imagine...
You walk up the stairs of the chapel in the heart of San Francisco's
Presidio, and as you step inside, you are immersed in a world of
music and images: time-lapse clouds roll across the ceiling, the moon
rises on one wall as the sun sets on the other, and the sounds of cello,
bass, and keyboards rise into the evening sky.
You are experiencing IMMERSION, the final show of our Spring Tour.
Bring your friends and family for this very
special evening of space music and visuals.
'The cosmic sounds of the Kevin Keller Trio combine acoustic and
electronic sounds that transmit a dreamlike aura, with a
state-of-the-art visual production...a unique experience of sound and
vision.' -Urban View, Oakland
'Bridges the worlds of classical performance and blissful
contemplation...an enthralling soundscape.' -SF Bay Guardian
IMMERSION
Space Music by the Kevin Keller Trio
(Kevin Keller/keyboards, Tania SImoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass)
with guest DJ Dagny
Live Visuals by Luna http://www.visualmeditation.com/
Thursday, May 30 at 8pm
Presidio Main Post Chapel
130 Fisher Loop, Presidio Park, San Francisco
For map and directions:
http://www.sfo.com/~goldengate/interfaith-presidio/map.htm
$15 at the door
Start your weekend early and immerse yourself in bliss....
Please visit http://www.kevinkeller.com for more information and free
music downloads
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 7:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art
Hi there
All artworks (and infos) can be seen on Joe Shoults' www.tadream.net website
and the high resolution JPG files are available for download through Fred
Yargui's website (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y).
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> Maff:
>
> << Open Internet Explorer. For each .GIF file you want
> to convert, drag and drop the file into the Internet
> Explorer window so it displays in the
> browser. >>
>
> Thanks mucho for your suggestion. I tried saving them
> as .bmp files before I wrote the list, but when I
> uploaded them they were so grainy that I couldn't read
> the print on the labels.
>
> I am going to try with Irfanview, and see if this does
> the trick.
>
> Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I'll let the
> list know what works.
>
> Adios,
>
> Deb H-J
> dhj4@y...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 7:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DWT 2 trak list
> Anyone happen to have the DWT 2 trak list handy, so I can get it printed
> out?
>
> Many thanx.
>
Please visit the Olyam Website at http://www.olyam.com (click on the link
'cliquez ici pour en savoir plus sur le projet Dreamwatchers Tales') for
full track listing from all Volume of DWT.
You can also hear shorts extracts from these relases.
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
'hotsewer'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 12:06
pm
Subject: Romance 76
I am looking for a CD of Peter Baumann - Romance 76. Does anybody
know how difficult this item is to find? I have not seen it for years
and I am sure its no longer in print. What would be a reasonable
price to pay for a secondhand copy?
I would also like to get a copy of Edgar Froese - Macular transfer. I
know original CD's are in very short supply (which you need to take
out a second morgage to buy a copy). Would anyone be willing to burn
a copy for me?
Please contact me of list
TIM GOLDS
(tgolds3551@a...)
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: VitN - Bootleg section added
Hi all,
I'd just like to inform you that I have uploaded an extensive update
of 'Voices In The Net' today.
As announced some weeks ago, VitN now features a bootleg section,
including detailed information about every TD bootleg that was ever
released on vinyl or cd (but not on cd-r, of course).
Furthermore VitN now includes the updated version of Klaus
Beschorner's classic article 'Bootlegged Dreams', extended with an
exclusive set of photos taken of his bootleg collection.
Please visit http://voices-in-the-net.de and check the 'News' section
for details.
I'd like to thank anyone who supplied information about bootlegs on
the internet (private homepages, mailing lists or whereever). There
are too many sources I got bits of information from to mention them
here completely. But there are three members of this list who
supported me directly during creation of the bootleg part of VitN:
Klaus Beschorner, Duncan McKee and Peter Stoeferle -- thank you!
VitN is made by fans for fans - enjoy!
Michael
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From:
'yanx_88'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:15
pm
Subject: Re: VitN - Bootleg section added
Bravo! Voices-in-the-net is very awesome!
Yo do a great job!
Yanick Vigneault
tdream88@h...
--- In tadream@y..., 'michael_berling' wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd just like to inform you that I have uploaded an extensive
update
> of 'Voices In The Net' today.
>
> As announced some weeks ago, VitN now features a bootleg section,
> including detailed information about every TD bootleg that was ever
> released on vinyl or cd (but not on cd-r, of course).
>
> Furthermore VitN now includes the updated version of Klaus
> Beschorner's classic article 'Bootlegged Dreams', extended with an
> exclusive set of photos taken of his bootleg collection.
>
> Please visit http://voices-in-the-net.de and check the 'News'
section
> for details.
>
> I'd like to thank anyone who supplied information about bootlegs on
> the internet (private homepages, mailing lists or whereever). There
> are too many sources I got bits of information from to mention them
> here completely. But there are three members of this list who
> supported me directly during creation of the bootleg part of VitN:
> Klaus Beschorner, Duncan McKee and Peter Stoeferle -- thank you!
>
> VitN is made by fans for fans - enjoy!
>
> Michael
From:
John McIntyre
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit 1997?
Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >Yeah, everything you say is right, but...
> >
> >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's
> >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out.
> >
>
> Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :)
Err, what I meant was whatever year it was they last played Detroit, at the Fox
Theater. (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit 1997?
1992
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John McIntyre'
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit 1997?
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> > >Yeah, everything you say is right, but...
> > >
> > >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if
it's
> > >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it
out.
> > >
> >
> > Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :)
>
> Err, what I meant was whatever year it was they last played Detroit, at
the Fox
> Theater. (-8
>
> John McIntyre
> Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
> Michigan State University
> mcintyre@p...
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri May 31, 2002 12:00
pm
Subject: Flashpoint LP
I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg section of course) and
I eventually stumbled across the entry for Flashpoint. It says that the CD
is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall seeing one at a certain store
for €25... is that cheap or not?
John Vertical
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri May 31, 2002 2:25
pm
Subject: Detroit
Hey, that must have been 1992!!! Did they do Purple Haze as one of the encores?
That was a great show... a friend and I drove up there doing kind of the
Wayne's World journey thing...
That was the year they autographed my copy of Quinioa for me after the show!!!
Fox Theater... very cool place with all the elephants hanging from the ceiling,
etc.!!!
<< >Yeah, everything you say is right, but...
> >
> >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's
> >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out.
> >
>
> Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :)
Err, what I meant was whatever year it was they last played Detroit, at the
Fox
Theater. (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...>>>
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri May 31, 2002 4:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
Perhaps for the picture disc, but I can't imagine the regular vinyl LP is worth
that much... It was probably worth more some years ago before Flashpoint was
finally reissued on CD. I think I have a cassette version in my collection as
well.
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: John Vertical johnvertical@h...
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:00:32 +0300
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg section of course) and
I eventually stumbled across the entry for Flashpoint. It says that the CD
is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall seeing one at a certain store
for €25... is that cheap or not?
John Vertical
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From:
chris towers
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1360
Yeah im sure i saw Firestarter on DVD. This was in HMV
in Manchester so i presume its readily available at
most good record stores.
Chris
--- E Neal Frost wrote:
> Is there a special edition for Thief? Sorcerer? And
> any word on The Keep
> going to DVD anytime soon? Special Edition??
>
> Neal
>
> >>Besides Legend, there's Thief, Sorcerer, Vision
> Quest, and >>Risky
> >>Business. Near Dark is supposed to be released on
> DVD >>oon. Does
> >>anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? After that,
> I'm not sure >>that
> >>there are any others.
>
> >>- jim
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 2:55
pm
Subject: Off-topic: World Cup 2002
This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier:
Germany vs. Saudi Arabia
8 : 0
What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'?
Jeffrey
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
Unlike France's performance against Senegal - but let's face it, most of the
Senegal team are French anyway so it's not surprising!
Paul
(who still doesn't know whether to support France or England)...
on 1/06/02 16:55, Jeffrey Au-Yeung at coldwatercanyon@s... wrote:
> This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier:
>
> Germany vs. Saudi Arabia
>
> 8 : 0
>
> What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'?
>
> Jeffrey
>
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: Legend
For those who don't have the video or the DVD, Legend is on Brit TV , BBC2,
4.50 GMT, June 3rd.
According to 'Choice TV' reviewer - 'Lush looking fantasy from the director of
Gladiator. Tom Cruise stars as an innocent child of the forest who falls for
fairy tale princess Mia Sara. But all is not well in paradise, as the
devilish Tim Curry and his evil minions attempt to kill all the unicorns, thus
plunging the world into eternal darkness. Younger kids will lap up this
visual feast, but this is essentially a shallow affair which won't impress
anyone who saw the recent blockbuster The Lord of The Rings. Curry easily
steals the show.'
B*ll*ck$.
It's one of my favorite films after Rocky Horror, also starring Tim Curry
David
np Volume 5 Frankfurt 1983. I haven't played my old clear vinyl Fassbinder
record for ages. Is the Tree CD any longer than the record? Still got the
bum notes. Was that you, Johannes?
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: The Blob
Tonight Channel 4 is playing The Blob at 1.45am. Isn't that a Michael Hoenig
film?
Boo hoo, long past my bedtime.
David
I wish TD had done the soundtrack to Aliens.
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blob
Michael Hoenig did a bang up job on the ost. It is
now out of print and worth the quest to find it
although, I saw it available on msn.music.
Wade
--- fozziebear
wrote:
> Tonight Channel 4 is playing The Blob at 1.45am.
> Isn't that a Michael Hoenig film?
>
> Boo hoo, long past my bedtime.
>
> David
>
>
> I wish TD had done the soundtrack to Aliens.
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 10:30
pm
Subject: Re: Legend
--- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote:
> For those who don't have the video or the DVD, Legend is on Brit
TV , BBC2, 4.50 GMT, June 3rd.
>
> According to 'Choice TV' reviewer - 'Lush looking fantasy from the
director of Gladiator. Tom Cruise stars as an innocent child of the
forest who falls for fairy tale princess Mia Sara. But all is not
well in paradise, as the devilish Tim Curry and his evil minions
attempt to kill all the unicorns, thus plunging the world into
eternal darkness. Younger kids will lap up this visual feast, but
this is essentially a shallow affair which won't impress anyone who
saw the recent blockbuster The Lord of The Rings. Curry easily
steals the show.'
>
> B*ll*ck$.
>
> It's one of my favorite films after Rocky Horror, also starring Tim
Curry
Curry my Arse,this is Tangerine Dream at their very awesome best.
A fantastic malange of sheer brilliant music,just ordered a wonderful
PHALL from the local.Tangerine Dream-Without doubt the WORLDS number 1
>
>
> David
>
> np Volume 5 Frankfurt 1983. I haven't played my old clear vinyl
Fassbinder record for ages. Is the Tree CD any longer than the
record? Still got the bum notes. Was that you, Johannes?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 12:54
am
Subject: wow.
Many thanks to all involved with the Tangerine Tree Project.
My mind is completely blown. I've only heard the first CD
(Formerly known as Me-rad) all the way through but I am stunned at how good
it sounds...
Me-rad was a favorite and this sounds so much better than what I previously
had so appropriate thank yous to whoever is responsible (Mark did you EQ
this?)
I'm not sure if it's because it's from an earlier generation or someone
dialing in the sound but this is great and again Thanks To Everyone!
Poly
From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 2:06
am
Subject: Free Music from Kevin Keller Trio
FREE MUSIC at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html
'A Star in a Stoneboat', the final single from Across the Sky is now
available as a free download at the Listening Station. This piece has
been an audience favorite at our recent shows, and showcases one of
Tania's most emotional and lyrical performances on the cello. We have
also added three excerpts from our recent radio interview on KPFA with
Derk Richardson.
SPRING TOUR - A GREAT SUCCESS!
We would like to thank everyone who came out to see us at our three Bay
Area shows. Whether it was at the Morrison Planetarium, the Chabot Space
& Science Center, or the Presidio, our audience always inspired us to
put on our best performances.
Have a great Summer, and look for us in the Fall.
Kevin Keller Trio
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 1:38
am
Subject: Frankfurt 83 'Fassbinder'
>np Volume 5 Frankfurt 1983. I haven't played my old clear vinyl Fassbinder
>record for ages. Is the Tree CD any longer than the record? Still got the
>bum notes. Was that you, Johannes?
Longer (the full concert including the 'Flying Kamikaze' ending), and much
clearer.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 1:45
am
Subject: Nottingham 1976 'Me-Rad'
>Synthhtnys said:
>My mind is completely blown. I've only heard the first CD
>(Formerly known as Me-rad) all the way through but I am stunned at how good
>it sounds...
>Me-rad was a favorite and this sounds so much better than what I previously
>had so appropriate thank yous to whoever is responsible (Mark did you EQ
>this?)
>I'm not sure if it's because it's from an earlier generation or someone
>dialing in the sound but this is great and again Thanks To Everyone!
The best disc in the box. :)
The first and last sets of this show are from a much better tape that was
not previously available to the public (it was in a drawer/closet/etc.)
He's provided an exceptional tape for Tangerine Tree II as well.
The Nottingham encore is from a lower generation of the Me-Rad source and
DID require a LOT of remastering and tape speed adjustment. There is still
some speed warbling--on a 4-5 second loop (you really have to listen for
it, but once you hear it, it can really drive you nuts) but it's 10 times
better than what it was before. Unfortunately, it fades off before the
completion of the track. Darn batteries!
-Morgan
From:
thomas b
Date: Fri May 31, 2002 9:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
That's pretty expensive for the LP. It is very easy to
get hold of, and retails usually for between 4-5
USD/Euro.
The picture disc version is pretty rare, but I
wouldn't pay 25 euro for it.
The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions share of
them were unplayable in most cd players, and the
release was not very large to begin with (if I
remember correctly).
Thomas
--- John Vertical wrote:
> I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg
> section of course) and
> I eventually stumbled across the entry for
> Flashpoint. It says that the CD
> is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall
> seeing one at a certain store
> for €25... is that cheap or not?
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From:
'edmorrisuk'
Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 3:20
pm
Subject: Orbital remix TD
Hi all
For those interested, on June 24th, UK electronic/dance/techno outfit
Orbital release an album of material from various artists remixed by
themselves titled 'Back To Mine'. It contains a remix of the TD track
- Network 23.
For more details see http://www.loopz.co.uk
Ed
From:
Nigel Pennington
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 8:05
pm
Subject: Krautrock Karnival in Devon!
fans of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze will find this of interest! St
David's Ambience Society - The Phoenix Exeter - www.krautrocknet.com proudly
present...KRAUTROCK KARNIVALCIRCLE - APPLIANCE - KUBUSSCHNITT
Finnish Space Rockers CIRCLE headline Devon's first Krautrock Karnival on
Friday 7th June at The Pheonix Centre, Gandy Street, Exeter. Accompanying the
Nordic Noisemeisters will be Mute recording artists APPLIANCE, Berlin School
masters KUBUSSCHNITT, plus a host of DJs, vintage Krautrock video footage,
stalls and plenty of special guests throughout the evening.
More details can be found at www.krautrocknet.com.
Exeter Pheonix, 7th June, £8/6, 8pm until late, 01392 667080
More artists are currently being added to the bill, so look out for email
updates and over the next few days!
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From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos
Heiko Heerssen [17/05/2002 03:00] dijo/said:
>> Now I know that actually people can fly...
>> At least, while listening to Logos (part one)
>> :o)
>
>I had the same feeling when I first listened to 'Logos'..this was the first
>TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my most favourite albums
>ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it doesn't sound dated at
>all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was inredible!! :-)
I don't want to sound like an AOLer, but...
Me too!
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 1:45
pm
Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for download
The covers for the new Tree release are finished and available for download
here:
http://www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
To maintain the best quality the images are quite large, so if you have a
slow or unstable connection please check the instructions on the download
page for tips.
Maff
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Homepage update
Hi all,
before leaving for some business trips (Italy, USA), I
have updated the lists on my hompage. A few new entries,
an updated Swaplist, and two more 'secrets' revealed
in the Remarks&Corrections file. Enjoy !
http://www.caby.de/music.htm
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 4:32
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for download
Hi.
The covers are looking as good as the previous ones. (about as good as TDIs
ones - or even better).
Is there already a release date for the contents available?
Herbert
>
>
> The covers for the new Tree release are finished and
> available for download
> here:
>
> http://www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
>
> To maintain the best quality the images are quite large, so
> if you have a
> slow or unstable connection please check the instructions on
> the download
> page for tips.
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 4:44
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree II Artwork - Mirror
I now have the Tangerine Tree II Artwork mirrored at my website. Thanks to
Maff, Jobim, and Marko for continuing to produce artwork that lives up to
the standard set by the Tangerine Tree sound quality.
I have repackaged the artwork into 3 ZIP files, each approximately 3.5
megabytes. I've gone through with Photoshop 6 and meticulously shaved
precious kilobytes off each file, to end up with smaller files with no
visible loss of quality. On a 56k modem, these should take about 15 minutes
to download each. If you have trouble downloading the artwork, please
e-mail me privately at feldon @ feldoncentral.com.
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree2/
I haven't yet got the 'cube' artwork online yet.
-Morgan
P.S. I wonder what color scheme we'll see on Tangerine Tree III. :)
The funny thing is, if you invert the colors, you get a nice shade of
tangerine...
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree2/vol12front-invert.jpg
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 2:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
----- Original Message -----
From: 'thomas b'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
> The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions share of
> them were unplayable in most cd players, and the
> release was not very large to begin with (if I
> remember correctly).
>
I got a sealed copy of the CD from ebay for£10 from an american company
.They also had another copy for sale as well .
How much are they worth normally ?
Paul
> Thomas
>
> --- John Vertical wrote:
> > I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg
> > section of course) and
> > I eventually stumbled across the entry for
> > Flashpoint. It says that the CD
> > is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall
> > seeing one at a certain store
> > for ?25... is that cheap or not?
>
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From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 5:30
am
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
Hi
Believe it or not, I still have a photocopy of a Record Collector Book (forgot
the title though), in which the Flashpoint Heavy Metal playable CD is said to
worth 50 pounds! Whether one agrees to it or not, the CD now does not seem that
rare, as it turns up more often from time to time on ebay.
Rgds
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lawler
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
Date: Sun Jun 02 22:28:50 HKT 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: 'thomas b'
To:
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
> The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions share of
> them were unplayable in most cd players, and the
> release was not very large to begin with (if I
> remember correctly).
>
I got a sealed copy of the CD from ebay for?0 from an american company
.They also had another copy for sale as well .
How much are they worth normally ?
Paul
> Thomas
>
> --- John Vertical wrote:
> > I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg
> > section of course) and
> > I eventually stumbled across the entry for
> > Flashpoint. It says that the CD
> > is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall
> > seeing one at a certain store
> > for ?25... is that cheap or not?
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 5:40
am
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree II Artwork - please read
Hi Folks,
I just arrived in my office and just finished reading all my emails that popped
in since last Friday. I noticed that there is already artwork for the 2nd
'Tangerine Tree' available for download. There must have been a minor
misunderstanding regarding the track indexing, the information I gave to those
which are responsible for doing the artwork was only valid for the Tree box
which I intend to present to Edgar & Jerome before or after their concert in
Berlin (June 15th).
What you see right now is only a preliminary version, the final version will
have a tracklist which is going to be slightly different regarding track
lengths and names. I also would like to mention that it will still take some
more time before all 15 discs are ready for distribution, I can't give a
precise date but IMO you will have to wait for at least 3-4 more weeks. You can
already start to make printouts of 'Label 1', 'Label 2', 'Front' and the
complete 'box wrapper' though, but please wait for the final version of all the
'back' covers.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
Heiko
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 8:44
am
Subject: Somerset House
Ed Morris' message about Orbital mentoned Orbital playing at Somerset House.
I checked the official Somerset House site out 'cos I used to work there.
Now its greatly improved and briliant venue for concerts. Just the perfect
site for TD to bring Inferno to Lonon.
Martin K please bring the show to London.
David
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 12:13
pm
Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for download
>To maintain the best quality the images are quite large, so if you have >a
>slow or unstable connection please check the instructions on the
>download page for tips.
Maff, thanks,
when the final versions are available, could you also offer them
as one big zip file, for those of us who do have relieable
connections ?
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 1:17
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #271
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #271 May 30, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana,
who made rare concert appearances together at Projektfest and the Gathering.
The Featured CD at midnight was 'Circles & Artifacts' on the Contemporary
Harmonic label.
The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Planeten Sit-In' by the Cosmic Jokers
on the Ohr label.
I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at
the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22.
Steve Roach and vidnaObmana
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#may
The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Cosmic Jokers Raumschiff Galaxy Planeten Sit-In (Ohr)
Cosmic Jokers Planet of Communication Planeten Sit-In (Ohr)
Cosmic Jokers Elektronenzirkus Planeten Sit-In (Ohr)
VA [Lascelles] Radio Bristol 258 Slowdesk (Waveform)
Brannan Land and Unfamiliar Territory Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
vidnaObmana
Oophoi Ever Changing Horizon Athlit (Hypnos)
Ministry of Inside Neutron Flux Live on EMUSIC (Synkronos)
Things
Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane (Space for Music)
Johnathan Hughs Imatra Trillium (Foundry/Hypnos)
12:00 am
Roach & Obmana Circles & Artifacts Circles & Artifacts
(Contemporary Harmonic)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be a disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the
Arya label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Paradise' by Robert Schroder on the
IC label.
I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22.
Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration.
Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 2:24
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report - May
WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to
New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for May, 2002.
Shows #267 to #271; 2-May-2002 to 30-May-2002
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f...
CONTACT: billfox@f...
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Boots, Aerts, vd Heijden - Livelines - Groove
Brannan Land and vidnaObmana - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com
Chris Short and Vir Unis - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music
Johnathan Hughs - Trillium - Foundry/Hypnos
Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric Music
Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP
Oophoi - Athlit - Hypnos
Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony/Quantum
Robert Carty - Light Dreaming - Deep Sky Music
Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN
Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove
Rudy Adrian and Nick Prosser - Concerts in New Zealand - Quantum
Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Circles & Artifacts - Contemporary Harmonic
Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - InnerZone - Projekt
Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Live Archive - Groove
Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Well of Souls - Projekt
Tom Heasley - On the Sensastions of Tone - Innova
Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin
Various Artists - Slowdesk - Waveform
Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane - Soundfall to the Infinite - Space for Music
From:
thomas b
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 10:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
Sorry, I mean the original CD. Don't know how much it
retails for now since it's been rereleased.
Thomas
--- Paul Lawler wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'thomas b'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
>
>
> > The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions
> share of
> > them were unplayable in most cd players, and the
> > release was not very large to begin with (if I
> > remember correctly).
> >
>
> I got a sealed copy of the CD from ebay for£10 from
> an american company
> .They also had another copy for sale as well .
> How much are they worth normally ?
>
> Paul
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From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 11:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP
Hi
I recently got a 1995 release of this from HMV for £5.00.
Best
Brian
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From:
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Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:32
am
Subject: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
Edgar Froese's Birthday
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2002
Time: 12:30AM - 1:30AM EDT (GMT-04:00)
Edgar Froese born this day, 1944.
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:51
am
Subject: Want list
Hi Folks,
please have a look at my new CD want list. In case you would like to
make an offer please contact me off-list at 'heiko.heerssen@h...' :-)
At the moment my only trading items are near mint CD copies of Edgar
Froese's 'Ages', and the original French EMI 'L'affaire Wallraff' disc.
the URL: http://www.beepworld3.de/members22/tadreamer/wants.htm
Regards
Heiko
http://www.tangerinedreamer.de
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday
We should all wish him Many Happy Returns of the Day.
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Subject: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Edgar Froese's Birthday
>
> Date: Thursday, June 6, 2002
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> Edgar Froese born this day, 1944.
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
hi,
It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars Episode II
or TD's 'Destination Berlin'
(the latter to make this less Off Topic)
Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin.
armin
>
> This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier:
>
> Germany vs. Saudi Arabia
>
> 8 : 0
>
> What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'?
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 10:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday
> We should all wish him Many Happy Returns of the Day.
Dear Martin,
now that would be the perfect opportunity for a guestbook relaunch on the
official TD website :-)
Heiko
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday
One year I think I sent him one of those animated electronic greeting
cards...hee hee
MJ
Original Message:
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From: Heiko Heerssen heiko.heerssen@h...
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:07:06 +0200
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday
> We should all wish him Many Happy Returns of the Day.
Dear Martin,
now that would be the perfect opportunity for a guestbook relaunch on the
official TD website :-)
Heiko
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From:
'njp1971'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 7:23
am
Subject: krautrock karnival
Fellow Tangerine Dream Fans!! free to send this email to anyone who
might appreciate it!
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artists APPLIANCE, Berlin School masters KUBUSSCHNITT, plus a host of
DJs, vintage Krautrock video footage, stalls and plenty of special
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 1:10
pm
Subject: B5
This past weekend the SCI-FI channel ran the B5 movies all day.... I noticed
there was one dated 2002 called THE LEGEND OF THE RANGERS which featured a
score by Chris Franke... (Only one of them did not feature Chris). Was this a
one off movie, or the pilot for yet another series?
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 2:13
pm
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES OFFICIALLY OPEN
Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
You can contact me for details.
The rule is simple.
One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below)
with the title and artists name(s).
But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please
contact me too.
The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
P.S.
Here are the contributors who confirmed their participation
Olyam
Nightbirds
Darklion
Döktor Strange
Fred Yargui
Paul Ellis
Pergamon
Mathhew Stringer
Ionic
Richard Ford
Maybe there will be a Darklion - Olyam track and a Nightbirds - Darklion
track
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: legend
Indeed, it was the TD-soundtrack version of Legend on BBC last
Monday.
However, I just couldn't watch the movie a second time (not that
interesting...) and switched off after 15 min or so.
a.
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From:
chris towers
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 3:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Want list
Hello Heiko, i have 4 or so items for your want list.
I think though me being a big a fan as you are am
somewhat tight fisted in letting them go. If you want
though i will happily do any artwork and copying for
you. I know its not the origional, but .....let me
know.
Chris
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> please have a look at my new CD want list. In case
> you would like to
> make an offer please contact me off-list at
> 'heiko.heerssen@h...' :-)
>
> At the moment my only trading items are near mint CD
> copies of Edgar
> Froese's 'Ages', and the original French EMI
> 'L'affaire Wallraff' disc.
>
> the URL:
>
http://www.beepworld3.de/members22/tadreamer/wants.htm
>
> Regards
> Heiko
> http://www.tangerinedreamer.de
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:28
pm
Subject: [tt1]
I've been going thru my Tangerine Tree 1 SHN disks--the ones I've heard
sound fantastic, but I do have a few questions--does anyone have tangerine
tree SHNs that work for the bilbao and nottingham '76 shows?
Could you burn them for me? please contact me off-list.
It seems my branch got faulty copies for the bulk of nottingham (the two
long tracks) and the 3rd track from bilbao (the 17+ minute track). And the
replacements are also faulty.
thanks in advance,
--T
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tt1]
I think the volume 5 number 3 has been reported to me to be in error. I am
not sure if the second copy I made yet has corrected the problem.
So, yes.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To: ;
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] [tt1]
> I've been going thru my Tangerine Tree 1 SHN disks--the ones I've heard
> sound fantastic, but I do have a few questions--does anyone have tangerine
> tree SHNs that work for the bilbao and nottingham '76 shows?
> Could you burn them for me? please contact me off-list.
>
> It seems my branch got faulty copies for the bulk of nottingham (the two
> long tracks) and the 3rd track from bilbao (the 17+ minute track). And the
> replacements are also faulty.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> --T
>
>
>
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From:
Ken Beal
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Grovel: TD Tree #1
Howdy...
Anybody in the western USA willing to set up a trade or bnp for the first TD
tree?
TIA
Ken
My trade list can be found at:
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: Sonic Images
I noticed today that on the official Sonic Images webpage (under Christopher
Franke/Audio), there are over 30 mp3s many of which I have not heard before.
Has anyone downloaded and compiled these? Apparently they are assorted samples
of his various musical styles for potential clients, etc...
MJ
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
Do not compare a soccer match with Star Wars Episode
II....................................:-)
Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the
world......................
Star Wars kicked ass in 77' and in 02, Star Wars movies still kicks
ass.................................
And last.................the coolest thing to say is still:
May the force be with you..................
It does not sound very good to say..................May the soccer be with
you.........=O)
May the force be with you...............
Jedimaster Obi-Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
>
> hi,
>
> It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars Episode II
> or TD's 'Destination Berlin'
>
> (the latter to make this less Off Topic)
>
> Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin.
>
> armin
>
> >
> > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier:
> >
> > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia
> >
> > 8 : 0
> >
> > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'?
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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>
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> - Woody Allen
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] B5
It was supposed to be a pilot for a new series if it took off. However, I
don't watch the listings that close, and I've missed it both times that it
has played. Evidently they haven't hyped it as well as I would have
thought. Of course I haven't been checking the B5 web pages recently, or I
would have known about it, but it still seems like it deserved more hype.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:10 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] B5
>
>
> This past weekend the SCI-FI channel ran the B5 movies all
> day.... I noticed there was one dated 2002 called THE LEGEND
> OF THE RANGERS which featured a score by Chris Franke...
> (Only one of them did not feature Chris). Was this a one off
> movie, or the pilot for yet another series?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael A. Jean
> The Brookings Institution
> 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
> Washington, DC 20036-2188
>
> TEL: (202)-797-6214
> FAX: (202)-797-2479
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>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 6:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Sonic Images
Just working off the titles of the downloaded files and cross-referencing
IMDB, I've discovered that many of the tracks are cuts from various
Franke-scored films. Some of them have words like 'edit' and 'trim' in the
title, which indicates they are probably excerpted from longer pieces.
Others may just be short cues. Either way, I don't know whether these were
actually used in the films, or if they are leftovers.
Here's some of the films/shows that appear to have soundtrack excerpts on
that page:
Lost in the Bermuda Triangle (1998)(TV)
Fortress 2 (1999)
Murder on the Orient Express (2001)(TV)
From Star Wars to Star Wars: The Story of Industrial Light & Magic
(1999)(TV)
Byeoljubu hero (aka Turtle Hero) (2001)
Jack the Dog (2000)
'18 Wheels of Justice' (2000) TV Series
All that out of the first 20. I haven't downloaded the rest of them (yet).
Given that they are listed only by names like 'action adventure' on the
links, I'd say your guess about them being demos for prospective clients is
correct.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
>
> I noticed today that on the official Sonic Images webpage
> (under Christopher Franke/Audio), there are over 30 mp3s many
> of which I have not heard before. Has anyone downloaded and
> compiled these? Apparently they are assorted samples of his
> various musical styles for potential clients, etc...
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 7:10
pm
Subject: test
sorry, just for test
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
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http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 7:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Sonic Images
BTW: There's nearly an hour of music here. The shortest clip is 53 seconds,
only one is over 3 minutes, but the average is 1:30. 35 tracks total. A
nice little variety if you like that sort of thing.
James
PS: Thanks for pointing this out MJ!
From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 11:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] B5
Michael Jean [04/06/2002 09:13] dijo/said:
>This past weekend the SCI-FI channel ran the B5 movies all day.... I noticed
there was one dated 2002 called THE LEGEND OF THE RANGERS which featured a
score by Chris Franke... (Only one of them did not feature Chris). Was this a
one off movie, or the pilot for yet another series?
It was the pilot for a new series. Sadly, the ratings for the pilot
weren't good enough (it had the misfortune of running against the NBA
playoffs...) and a series wasn't approved.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 7:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
the Cleveland MISL soccer team is named 'The Cleveland Force'
too funny, given your post
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:43 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
>
>
> Do not compare a soccer match with Star Wars Episode
> II....................................:-)
>
> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the
> world......................
>
> Star Wars kicked ass in 77' and in 02, Star Wars movies still
> kicks ass.................................
>
> And last.................the coolest thing to say is still:
>
> May the force be with you..................
>
> It does not sound very good to say..................May the
> soccer be with you.........=O)
>
> May the force be with you...............
> Jedimaster Obi-Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Armin Theissen'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
>
>
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars
> Episode II
> > or TD's 'Destination Berlin'
> >
> > (the latter to make this less Off Topic)
> >
> > Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin.
> >
> > armin
> >
> > >
> > > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I
> just watched earlier:
> > >
> > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia
> > >
> > > 8 : 0
> > >
> > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'?
> > >
> > > Jeffrey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > - Woody Allen
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 9:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
Hehe.......the founder must be a Star Wars fan........
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
> the Cleveland MISL soccer team is named 'The Cleveland Force'
>
> too funny, given your post
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:43 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
> >
> >
> > Do not compare a soccer match with Star Wars Episode
> > II....................................:-)
> >
> > Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the
> > world......................
> >
> > Star Wars kicked ass in 77' and in 02, Star Wars movies still
> > kicks ass.................................
> >
> > And last.................the coolest thing to say is still:
> >
> > May the force be with you..................
> >
> > It does not sound very good to say..................May the
> > soccer be with you.........=O)
> >
> > May the force be with you...............
> > Jedimaster Obi-Jan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Armin Theissen'
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
> >
> >
> > >
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars
> > Episode II
> > > or TD's 'Destination Berlin'
> > >
> > > (the latter to make this less Off Topic)
> > >
> > > Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin.
> > >
> > > armin
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I
> > just watched earlier:
> > > >
> > > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia
> > > >
> > > > 8 : 0
> > > >
> > > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'?
> > > >
> > > > Jeffrey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
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From:
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Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 11:31
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Subject: legend dvd screenshots
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 11:23
pm
Subject: Re-Hashed Thread
Hello All,
I know this basic subject has been discussed before, and once before it was
even started by me. But I am still having trouble with getting only a few
'greatest' tracks together for a set to give to people to introduce them to
the music of TD.
So I thought I would try this again, but with a couple stipulations or
parameters.
#1 would be a 2 disc set (using 2x80 minute discs). Disc 1 would be for the
softer songs of TD. Disc 2 would be for the harder songs of TD.
Slower/Faster? Easy Listening/Hard Rock? I would prefer to use songs in
there entirety, not sections or snippets of songs. If it is a long track
then I would like to use the whole track. And I would love to have at least
one longer track per disc anyway, because early TD did have long suites.
#2 would be a single disc of a more romantic nature. I remember several
years ago on this list someone getting married and asking for advice for TD
songs to have the couples dance to. If I remember the amount of suggestions
that came there must be enough music to fill a single disc.
I know people have there own 'introduction' sets they have made so would
really appreciate it if people would help me with mine, sticking to these
guidelines.
I thank you all very much for your help!!!
Neal
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From:
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Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 11:56
pm
Subject: Life Imitating Art
I had a very surreal experience today at work.
I work in the construction industry for a concrete supplier. I do the
Quality Control inspections on buildings using our concrete. Sometimes, when
there are questions regarding the strength of supplied concrete after it has
set we are asked to 'core' a column or wall or floor slab. (The core is then
crushed long ways to determine PSI strength) I have seen floor slabs cored
several times, but never a column. Today I did.
To core a column, the coring engineer will drill a whole in the column and
screw in a bolt. The drill base is then bolted to the column using the
exposed portion of the bolt. The drill base itself is a long track that the
drill will move along as it makes a core (3' in diameter and about 8+' long)
into the column.
Um......picture the opening sequence to the movie Thief and you will start
to understand what I am saying. Which is the point of this e-mail. What I
was watching today was so much like the Thief opening sequence, that the
construction sounds around me started being replaced with 'Diamond Diary'. I
am watching this guy drill into a column and my head is bouncing to the
pulse of the DD song. There was even the tap on a screwdriver with a hammer
to loosen the core from its base. One of the independent inspectors had to
tap me on the shoulder to get me from looking over James Caan's shoulder,
back to reality. He kinda looked at me a little strangely; I could just
shake my head and tell him he would never understand, 'movie reference'
kinda thing. He wants to borrow my copy of Thief.
Like I said, for me it was a surreal experience. But much enjoyed.
Life Imitating Art?
Neal
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Life Imitating Art
DD is one of my all times favorites. I can understand the relation to the
core.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'E Neal Frost'
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: [tadream] Life Imitating Art
> I had a very surreal experience today at work.
>
> I work in the construction industry for a concrete supplier. I do the
> Quality Control inspections on buildings using our concrete. Sometimes,
when
> there are questions regarding the strength of supplied concrete after it
has
> set we are asked to 'core' a column or wall or floor slab. (The core is
then
> crushed long ways to determine PSI strength) I have seen floor slabs cored
> several times, but never a column. Today I did.
>
> To core a column, the coring engineer will drill a whole in the column and
> screw in a bolt. The drill base is then bolted to the column using the
> exposed portion of the bolt. The drill base itself is a long track that
the
> drill will move along as it makes a core (3' in diameter and about 8+'
long)
> into the column.
>
> Um......picture the opening sequence to the movie Thief and you will start
> to understand what I am saying. Which is the point of this e-mail. What I
> was watching today was so much like the Thief opening sequence, that the
> construction sounds around me started being replaced with 'Diamond Diary'.
I
> am watching this guy drill into a column and my head is bouncing to the
> pulse of the DD song. There was even the tap on a screwdriver with a
hammer
> to loosen the core from its base. One of the independent inspectors had to
> tap me on the shoulder to get me from looking over James Caan's shoulder,
> back to reality. He kinda looked at me a little strangely; I could just
> shake my head and tell him he would never understand, 'movie reference'
> kinda thing. He wants to borrow my copy of Thief.
>
> Like I said, for me it was a surreal experience. But much enjoyed.
>
> Life Imitating Art?
> Neal
>
>
>
>
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:57
am
Subject: legend---------What the f****
Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should
contain the european version of the movie.
I have just been watching the US-version for the first time and it is awesome.
This is what the movie should have been all along. Not this sissy Euro-version.
I have allways hated all these lovescenes, singing scenes, etc etc etc in the
Euro-version. The US-version have a much darker atmosphere. A lot of great
scenes not in the Euro-version. The music of Tangerine Dream adds a completely
different dimension to the movie.
I have just restarted the movie, I have to watch this again......=O).........
Regards
Jan
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:38
pm
Subject: Can someone please record the TD live interview?
Hi all,
next Wednesday, June 12th, 23:00-01:00 TD will be live studioguests
again at Olaf Zimmermann's Electrobeats show on 'Radio Eins',
obviously to talk about the upcoming Inferno gig.
As I will be on vacation, I hope someone can tape this. Radio Eins
can be received in Berlin & Brandenburg via FM and cable, in all of
Europe via ADR Satellite and worldwide via Internet livestream.
Arne
From:
'jon tim'
Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:40
pm
Subject: Legend what the f.....
The two films are different to each other ... why compare..... ?!
But..... does not the producer 'endorse' the sissy version and has he not
extended the 'sissy' version as the directors cut whilst ignoring the US
version ?!
Con31
'Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:57:04 +0200
From: 'PERGAMON'
Subject: legend---------What the f****
Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should
contain the european version of the movie.
I have just been watching the US-version for the first time and it is
awesome.
This is what the movie should have been all along. Not this sissy
Euro-version.
I have allways hated all these lovescenes, singing scenes, etc etc etc in
the
Euro-version. The US-version have a much darker atmosphere. A lot of great
scenes not in the Euro-version. The music of Tangerine Dream adds a
completely
different dimension to the movie.
I have just restarted the movie, I have to watch this
again......=O).........
Regards
Jan'
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 9:40
pm
Subject: Happy Birthday
Hello,
just wanted to say happy birthday! to Edgar, one of the most important
masters of the electronic music. had to hear Epsilon first thing in the
morning to celebrate ;)
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
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Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 3:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Birthday
Hi
My morning listening was Electronic Meditation at @4:30 am this morning. My
partner thought I'd gone nuts!
Many happy returns
B
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend what the f.....
It is Ridley Scott's right to make what ever version he chooses. I simply
stated my opinion regarding what version I liked.
You are right about the lack of extending the US-version. I would like to see
the whole Meg Mucklebone-scene, Princess and Darkness-scenes in there as
well......
Hehe..........if only I knew how to meddle with video, I would make my own
version...............just like they did on Star Wars: Phantom menace.......
----- Original Message -----
From: 'jon tim'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: [tadream] Legend what the f.....
> The two films are different to each other ... why compare..... ?!
> But..... does not the producer 'endorse' the sissy version and has he not
> extended the 'sissy' version as the directors cut whilst ignoring the US
> version ?!
>
> Con31
>
>
>
>
>
> 'Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:57:04 +0200
> From: 'PERGAMON'
> Subject: legend---------What the f****
>
> Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should
> contain the european version of the movie.
>
> I have just been watching the US-version for the first time and it is
> awesome.
> This is what the movie should have been all along. Not this sissy
> Euro-version.
> I have allways hated all these lovescenes, singing scenes, etc etc etc in
> the
> Euro-version. The US-version have a much darker atmosphere. A lot of great
> scenes not in the Euro-version. The music of Tangerine Dream adds a
> completely
> different dimension to the movie.
>
> I have just restarted the movie, I have to watch this
> again......=O).........
>
> Regards
> Jan'
>
>
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From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 9:53
pm
Subject: Re[2]: [tadream] Legend what the f.....
Finally I received Ultimate Edition. So far I only had time to watch
Disc 2 (US theatrical version and bonuses) but I have been exchanging
e-mails with the distributors about the releases and I thought I
should comment some of the lines here:
P> It is Ridley Scott's right to make what ever version he chooses.
P> [...]
Sadly enough it was NOT Scott's decision. HIS vision of the film was
never let out of the boxes. The 2 production teams crippled the movie.
Even now that the so-called 'Director's cut' is released, so much is
missing simply because scenes have been lost forever (see 'Fairy
dance' etc.) Jack's challenge with the 2-headed giant, the Unicorn
effect were rejected because the producers found them too expensive to
make...
In the 'Making of...' featurette Mia Sara sums it all up very well:
she was so sorry to see the final movie because there was SO MUCH MORE
left out.
And one more thing. As you probably all know it by now, Scott
LOVED the Goldsmith score. He thought the classic Goldsmith score
expressed his vision in music perfectly (and says that it was a
MISTAKE to cut the US version with the - more RnR - TD score, which was thought
to
be more appealing to younger audiences). As for me, after seeing the
US version twice now, I must say I have never seen a movie with such an
enchanting, magical score.
P> You are right about the lack of extending the US-version.
P> I would like to see the whole Meg Mucklebone-scene, Princess and
P> Darkness-scenes in there as well......
Hey, shall we ask for a 'RETURN TO LEGEND'...!? ;-))
>> 'Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:57:04 +0200
>> From: 'PERGAMON'
>> Subject: legend---------What the f****
>>
>> Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should
>> contain the european version of the movie.
The idiot is named FOX Entertainment, and the reason is simple: they
have the rights for distributing the European cut of LEGEND only. The
real blame is on the nitwit who had this 'wonderful' idea of forming 2
different production teams in the first place...
Pal
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 1:20
pm
Subject: Alien seagull sound
Hey there,
Does anyone out there know the evolution of Chris
Franke's alien seagull sound. What I would like is
the chronology of the seagull's appearance.
Wade
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re-Hashed Thread
>From: 'E Neal Frost'
>softer songs of TD.
Tiergarten on LeParc: wonderful piano melody; in fact, pick anything with a
piano
harder songs of TD.
Stratosfear 95 on Tyranny of Beauty: shows how the old favorites can be
updated; almost anything from the Dream Mix albums too
someone getting married and asking for advice for TD
>songs to have the couples dance to.
Not sure about the dancing part, but for sheer romanticism try anything
except the story track on Rumpelstiltskin.
This is all I have time to think of on my lunch hour at work. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Alien Seagull
>Wade Gordon asked:
>
>Hey there,
>
>Does anyone out there know the evolution of Chris
>Franke's alien seagull sound. What I would like is
>the chronology of the seagull's appearance.
It is a modulated sine wave.
The earliest I have heard it is the June 6, 1976 Manchester concert.
Chris still uses it today, ie. London Concert and other releases.
-Morgan
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From:
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Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 5:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Alien Seagull
I'm pretty sure I've heard it in some Babylon 5 stuff...
-----Original Message-----
Chris still uses it today, ie. London Concert and other releases.
-Morgan
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull
Morgan,
Do you know the tracks that Chris used the alien
Seagull sound?
Wade
--- Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Wade Gordon asked:
> >
> >Hey there,
> >
> >Does anyone out there know the evolution of Chris
> >Franke's alien seagull sound. What I would like is
> >the chronology of the seagull's appearance.
>
> It is a modulated sine wave.
>
> The earliest I have heard it is the June 6, 1976
> Manchester concert.
>
> Chris still uses it today, ie. London Concert and
> other releases.
>
> -Morgan
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From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 2:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull
Owens, James [07/06/2002 13:27] dijo/said:
>I'm pretty sure I've heard it in some Babylon 5 stuff...
It's indeed in both his B5 albums (_Babylon 5_ and _Babylon 5: Messages
From Earth_).
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 3:36
am
Subject: Re: Alien Seagull
>Morgan,
>
>Do you know the tracks that Chris used the alien Seagull sound?
>
>Wade
Every 1970-1978 concert had at least one track which were never played the
same way twice. If you released a boxed set of 20 discs from 1976, you
would have but scratched the surface of all the musical ideas invented that
year. I don't know if you can give all these tracks names really (although
I think Al is going to try :)).
The most obvious occurence of the Alien Seagull sound is the 'Dominion'
encore from the fall 82 shows, including the Logos show. Chris must have
pressed that button 40 times during this song.
-Morgan
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 3:59
am
Subject: about DWT2
Hello everyone,
I'm giving a first spin at the DWT2 copy I've just got (thanks Colin!)-
I've heard the first CD and quickly passed through most of the tracks in cd2,
now properly listening to CD2 simultaneously with the folks at #tadream.
I have to say, great quality works! And this is much more sequenced than the
first DWT. I like that, but I also liked the diversity of the first one.
One thing I didn't like much was the intro... It was better than the DWT1
intro, and I like the idea of having an intro, but I think this format of track
bits with sound sculpture etc is rather uninteresting... maybe the best way
would be selecting an 'appropriate intro track' (whatever that means) from the
collection of contributions... After a few minutes in the intro I was a bit
bored and eager to listen to the works (I preferred not to listen to the
previews), so I had to skip to the next track.
I have the impression the overall quality of this edition is better than the
first one, and I'm happy to have been a part of this project (and the first),
among such lot of talented musicians, with my contribution (which was an
important step in my own musical development, btw, specially since Drifting was
my first track with overdubs).
I'm not going to comment about each track, I think someone's already done that;
and I'm not very good at that anyway. But this is a great collection indeed.
Many thanks to the musicians, Yannick, and TD for the inspiration!
btw, Yannick, please put my name in that list for DWT3! I'm already sketching
ideas in my mind...
best regards
GJ
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From:
'rbicon'
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 11:22
am
Subject: Air Sculpture's Glimpse
Hi,i'm looking for Air Sculpture's track 'Glimpse'.Mow i know that
it's available for free on MP3.com, but for some curious reason, i
can't download it correctly. I do have it also on the Amazonian
EP,but the again, the track is broken. I guess it's that... being out
of luck:))
So if someone can help, contact me. I do have lot of stuff to trade.
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan
The place for Electronic Music bootlegs
We can use my ftp or doing it by mail.
Sylvain from Québec
n/p:Danger in Dream's Entrance (I just can get enough of this
one,outstanding work)
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 3:45
pm
Subject: Poland Extracts for trade
Hello everyone,
I've finally got the 1996 Poland remaster, so I don't need my old Extracts from
Poland anymore (Jive Electro Chip 22, black and white cover). If anyone is
interested in it, maybe we can arrange a trade. It's in almost perfect
conditions; 95% I would say.
see ya
GJ
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Subject: Looking for member 'saykwensor'
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I am looking for member 'saykwensor'. If you see this message, please
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: various...
Hello again. I'm back after a week of forest work on our summer
cottage, and now I've browsed through all these 100+n
messages...
1)Someone asked about a few collection disks...
I remember that when the romantic matter was discussed the
last time, numerous tracks from Heartbreakers and two (Crystal
Voice and Charly the Kid) from Firestarter were suggested. I'd
include absolutely Song of the Whale part 2 and Long Island
Sunset for a softer set, and why not other Melrose Years stuff as
well. (but not necessarily Ghazal and Cool at Heart)
On the heavier side - would Cloudburst Flight suit? Or what kind
of 'heavier' stuff? Rock-heavy, techno-heavy or space-heavy?
Some other suggestions:
-Cool Breeze of Brighton
-Horizon
-Fly & Collision of Comas Sola
-Sphinx Lightning (first half)
-Homeless
-Central Park
-Ultima Thule part 1
-something from Sorcerer
2) What would be the last TD-appearence of Alien Seagull?
Yellowstone Park?
And when Morgan said
---
I don't know if you can give all these tracks names really
(although I think Al is going to try :))
---
Is there a track naming process going on? I'd like to participate.. I
think I could invent a few dozen good names more...
3) The Tree covers: If we do later get names for the tracks yet
untitled, is there any change to add them later? I mean, most of
the 70s material is untitled; the tracks for vol.4 did get named,
and volumes 1 and 8 too, afterwards. Could we start naming
untitled future Tree tracks now, so when the final covers are
released, they would have something more imaginative than just
'Part One' as track titles.
And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of the Tree cover
art been abstract so far?
John Vertical
np: Monolight
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From:
'gmroger'
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl'
As promised (goodness knows how long ago), here's my assessment of
the new DWT project.
As I mentioned before, I really got a good listen to this set whilst
holidaying in Fuerteventura. However, after having just a few listens
beforehand, I had to decide what would go onto my 90-minute tape and
which would lose out. A month later, those pieces that made it still
remain my favourite. Even though DWT2 is certainly better than its
predecessor, there are some pieces that really don't work for me. But
if you take the `You get what you pay for' argument, then DWT2 is an
absolute bargain. Some really cracking tracks – and all for the price
of postage and a trade only!
Let's kick off with the sleeve – and a beautiful piece of work it is
too. Lovely blue moon, blue sky and the watchgirl on the cover. My
only (very minor) quibble is the CD spine – with white lettering on a
black background –, which seems out of context with the rest of the
artwork - its layout is exactly the same as DWT1. Perhaps a blue
background would have been more appropriate. So, let's start with the
first disc...
DREAMWATCHERS `Fable' – as with the previous set, this is a kind of
introduction to all the pieces found on the two discs accompanied by
a background largely taken from Darklion's own solo contribution. It
didn't really work on DWT1 – but thankfully on this set it is
considerably shorter, and less of an annoyance. Should DWT3 have
enough artists and music contributing, it might be wise to leave out
this kind of introductory track.
So after 5.14 we launch into what is described in the sleeve notes as
a `conceptual project'. Certainly there appears to be some kind of
consistency with the pieces, but more on those later. GILLE HEMERY
kicks off with `contact' – and at 3.23, one of the shortest tracks on
the set – a brilliant piece, building up the action slowly and then
reaching a climax that's oh so short – but where else could this
piece go? It's compact; it's busy, and a brilliant opening.
PERMAGON Vs BONDEE SYSTEM's `Cloud of the Unknowing' also has a busy
feel about it, kind of reminding me of TD during their `White
Eagle/Hyperborea' era. But it's nothing remarkable – it does its job,
nothing more, nothing less.
This next one grows on you, but it took its time with me – and now I
think it's close to being the best track on the set. OLIVIER
BRAND's `Gladiators' starts quite slowly, with nothing much happening
until we get around the four-minute mark – and then the action
begins! Wonderful middle section and even the end few minutes are
wonderfully moody and atmospheric. It may be 11.50 in length, but I
like this track a lot.
On my last review of DWT1 I wasn't terribly keen on DARKLION's solo
contribution, as he likes to explore the area of EM I dislike –
dance, drum and bass. Me, I like a tune. But `Battlefield' is better,
although a little repetitive – perhaps it could have been a little
shorter.
I'm afraid NIGHTBIRDS' `Electric Post-Rock Ensemble' is by far the
weakest. It starts off promisingly with a few atmospherics, but
afterwards settles down for the next 13 minutes on an endless synth
repetition. Really, this should have been cut to three or at least
given a bit of variety – after all, if Gilles Hemery can cram so much
action in just three minutes, surely the group members could have
come up collectively with something better. Perhaps it could have
been shorter, but as Yannick has acknowledged, there weren't as many
pieces to fill up two discs, so the ten-minute barrier was broken
twice. One worked, but this one didn't.
Thankfully things improve with PAUL ELLIS & NEMESIS' `Untitled' (I
suspect one thing that irritates most EM musicians is trying to think
up damn titles to their pieces), and I love the start, with the very
moody sci-fi-ish synth in the background, which quickly disappears
when the main body of the piece kicks in, which is a shame really...
The last track on disc 2 is another example of what one can do in the
space of three minutes (and eleven seconds). JAMES OWENS' `Leonids'
kicks off with a lovely piano (which reminded me of TD, as they love
to start some of their classic pieces with a piano) and then moves
into a lovely memorable organ/synth and piano. And then it's all
over...
Disc 2 starts off with GUSTAVO JOBIM, whom I criticised in the last
review for coming up with `The Wedding March' (Gustavo himself
readily admitted this was put together in a hurry and is not
representative of what he can do), and goes a long way to redeeming
himself with `Drifting', an aptly-titled experimental piece. There's
however only the mere hint of melody here, but it is variable and
promises much for DWT3...
IONIC's `Drifting the Comet V & VI' is a tricky one to assess. The
melody line is beautiful enough, but perhaps is a little too long for
my liking, but it's innocuous enough, uncontroversial and pretty
atmospheric and will play quite happily in the background without the
need to emit it in the programming. Okay, I like it...
Now this is the best track on the two sets, mainly because for me it
reminds me of my holiday. OLYAM's `Parisian Greetings' is simply
beautiful & exquisite - excellently arranged, produced, and varied,
and I simply love the `harp' towards the end. This is perhaps the
closest to a `song' track, and at 4.48 it's a perfect length. It
sounds as though it's had plenty of thought put in, and it's the
winning track for me – just shading out `Gladiators'...
DOKTOR STRANGE, another dance music fan, kicks off `Red Ants Love
Migration Freq.' promisingly enough, but then goes into something
which, for me was too repetitious – not as disappointing
as `Nightbirds' (at least it's only 8.26), but again, too long. I
like a tune...
DAVE BREWER's `Dreamcatcher' is a nice piece, but nothing more,
although I do like the chord changes. I think this would be a
brilliant piece if it were in fact three minutes shorter...
Now last time DARKLION & OLYAM paired together on DWT1, the former's
influence was far stronger, with a repetitive middle section going on
for rather a long time, but finishing excellently. Now, I don't know
whose influence it was this time, but `The Space Station' is a
complete surprise, almost jazz-like in feel. If I had to criticise
it, it would be to say that it sounds like one of the tracks from
those copyright-free CD's you can buy if you want to add music to
your videos...
In many ways I was quite surprised to see MARK JENKINS making a
contribution to DWT2 - after all, he is a musician of note in EM. And
he doesn't disappoint either, with `The Stealing of the Five
Thousands' always busy, split into three sections, and very
enjoyable. Certainly in my top five favourites...
I had to do a check when I first started listening to FRED
YARGUI's `Virage Bleu'. When I put this onto my holiday tape, I was
unaware that this is in fact two tracks under the one title – well,
that's how it seemed to me. But by splitting his 6.38 into two
shorter pieces, he comes up with the goods with two very enjoyable
lively tracks. The second part, a particularly jolly piece, also
reminds me of my holiday...
The final, exclusive DTS track was perhaps the biggest surprise of
all. Having heard DARKLION & OLYAM's previous contributions, I
wondered what they would come up with which would relate to the
rather serious subject matter chosen. `Im [sic] memoriam' does it
justice. It's a slow, moody piece, and my wife loves the guitar (and
I love the flute). It kind of reminded me of Mark Shreeve's `The
Stand'. These boys have proved they can come up with the goods
together, and this one also comes into my top five.
So there we go – I really enjoy playing these CD's on a regular
basis, and am really surprised at the talent that's out there. Having
a theme also works. Once again, we must thank Yannick Edom, Joel
Mullen, Darklion, Tom Richmond and Joe Shoults, and all the musicians
concerned for all being there to put this fabulous project together.
Roll on DWT3!!
Roger Hartopp
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] various...
Actually, the Gazal (radio edit) is a whole lot better
than the album version. This is also the same version
performed live. It is the one with the harpiscord
sound.
Cheers,
Wade
--- omegatransfinito wrote:
> Hello again. I'm back after a week of forest work on
> our summer
> cottage, and now I've browsed through all these
> 100+n
> messages...
>
> 1)Someone asked about a few collection disks...
> I remember that when the romantic matter was
> discussed the
> last time, numerous tracks from Heartbreakers and
> two (Crystal
> Voice and Charly the Kid) from Firestarter were
> suggested. I'd
> include absolutely Song of the Whale part 2 and Long
> Island
> Sunset for a softer set, and why not other Melrose
> Years stuff as
> well. (but not necessarily Ghazal and Cool at
> Heart)
>
> On the heavier side - would Cloudburst Flight suit?
> Or what kind
> of 'heavier' stuff? Rock-heavy, techno-heavy or
> space-heavy?
> Some other suggestions:
> -Cool Breeze of Brighton
> -Horizon
> -Fly & Collision of Comas Sola
> -Sphinx Lightning (first half)
> -Homeless
> -Central Park
> -Ultima Thule part 1
> -something from Sorcerer
>
> 2) What would be the last TD-appearence of Alien
> Seagull?
> Yellowstone Park?
> And when Morgan said
> ---
> I don't know if you can give all these tracks names
> really
> (although I think Al is going to try :))
> ---
> Is there a track naming process going on? I'd like
> to participate.. I
> think I could invent a few dozen good names more...
>
> 3) The Tree covers: If we do later get names for the
> tracks yet
> untitled, is there any change to add them later? I
> mean, most of
> the 70s material is untitled; the tracks for vol.4
> did get named,
> and volumes 1 and 8 too, afterwards. Could we start
> naming
> untitled future Tree tracks now, so when the final
> covers are
> released, they would have something more imaginative
> than just
> 'Part One' as track titles.
> And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of
> the Tree cover
> art been abstract so far?
>
> John Vertical
> np: Monolight
>
>
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> The earliest I have heard it is the June 6, 1976 Manchester concert.
I'm listening to the September 23, 1975 Reims concert, and the alien
seagull sound is there too.
Antonio
NEW e_mail: hyperborean 'at' mail 'dot' telepac 'dot' pt
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: abstract TT covers Re: [tadream] various...
Well, for me TD's music, specially the 70s music, specially in those concerts,
is very abstract. And I like abstract art, so I tried to create something
abstract in my covers to serve as a companion to the music, a visual impression
of the music.
I don't know if the other cover artists feel the same way.
GJ np. The arrival of the spaceship (from Eloy Fritsch's Cyberspace. Eloy is a
brazilian elec. musician very influenced by Vangelis... very nice music he
makes.)
>And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of the Tree cover
>art been abstract so far?
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:05
am
Subject: TD t-shirts
I have the following 2 TD t-shirts for sale if anyone on the list is interested
-
1. Tangerine Dream, 'Tyger' Brazilian fan club t-shirt, off-white colour, size
says XL, but it seems an average adult size to me. The front has the chest
emblem 'Tangerine Dream, Tiger' (mispelled!), while the back has the close up
of the tiger's face in a dark colour. Even though I have never worn the shirt,
it was already second hand when I bought it 15 years ago, and so is not in
brand new condition. price £7
2. Tangerine Dream, 'Stratosfear', white, size says XL, but just looks like a
large to me. Front has 9' x 9' colour reproduction of the CD front cover, while
the back reads 'Tangerine Dream, Stratosfear'. This was new when I bought it,
and it has never been worn. Therefore, it has never been washed, meaning the
graphics have not faded at all, and are as good as the day they were printed.
Shirt still looks brand new. £10
Postage will be free in the UK, but I will need to ask for a little bit extra
for postage abroad.
Please contact me privately if you are interested.
Best to everyone,
- Chris
chris@o...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:39
pm
Subject: TD Tree Artwork
>And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of the Tree cover
>art been abstract so far?
What the artists really need is someone to loan them the 1982 Australia and
1986 North America + Europe tourbooks (and any other materials with
high-resolution photos of the band).
I do think it's swung too far into the balance of abstractism, when there
are a lot of nice high-resolution photos available.
-Morgan
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: abstract TT covers Re: [tadream] various...
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
> Well, for me TD's music, specially the 70s music, specially in those
concerts, is very abstract. And I like abstract art, so I tried to create
something abstract in my covers to serve as a companion to the music, a
visual impression of the music.
>
> I don't know if the other cover artists feel the same way.
I don't find our covers any more abstract than the official 70's and 80's
ones. I like a nice eye catching graphic on the front, and a concert photo
from the tour on the back and on the disc label. Unfortunately with the
three of them on stage and Chris in the middle, he always manages to get his
head cut out in the hole in the middle.
Maff
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> I do think it's swung too far into the balance of abstractism,
> when there are a lot of nice high-resolution photos available.
I put out a request when we started Tree 1 for photos, and didn't get any
response at all. So I used the best ones I could find on the web and dust
down in Photoshop. After Tree 1 was finished a number of people told me I
really should use less photos and more graphics next time... :-/
Anyone out there with nice high-res photos, don't be shy, send them my way
and we'll use them in Tree 3.
Maff
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 9:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to
see some guide lines on how to make music.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
> From: 'Morgan Feldon'
>
>
>
> > I do think it's swung too far into the balance of abstractism,
> > when there are a lot of nice high-resolution photos available.
>
>
> I put out a request when we started Tree 1 for photos, and didn't get any
> response at all. So I used the best ones I could find on the web and dust
> down in Photoshop. After Tree 1 was finished a number of people told me I
> really should use less photos and more graphics next time... :-/
>
> Anyone out there with nice high-res photos, don't be shy, send them my way
> and we'll use them in Tree 3.
>
>
> Maff
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
I prefer original graphics than photos, but I do like to see such nice photos
like we've had so far. I wanted to get a photo of the Paris Bataclan to use it
as a front or back cover, but couldn't find any on the net, and I didn't have
time to ask here. I think one interesting idea is to mix artwork with photos,
like in TT5 and TT7. But I would prefer to see more artwork than photos. I
think that makes the thing more interesting, more unique. We can see photos on
books and jpgs. Where else will we be able to look at those so nice and
interesting graphic creations? Only on the TT.
Maff said:
>I put out a request when we started Tree 1 for photos, and didn't get any
>response at all. So I used the best ones I could find on the web and dust
>down in Photoshop. After Tree 1 was finished a number of people told me I
>really should use less photos and more graphics next time... :-/
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:18
am
Subject: The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace
Hi All!
About this show
===============
Some nice pix are here:
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/TangerineDreamWarszawa
/KonferencjaPrasowa/konferencjaprasowa.html
(...some assembly required for the line above...)
About WeinerSalsa
=================
Two of the ladies in the show, Jacqueline and Iris, are in the band
WeinerSalsa. You can get more information and pictures here:
http://www.evolucion.com/wienersalsa/musikerin.html
Their full names are:
Jacqueline Hechavarria Carbonell, and
Iris Claudia Alexandra Martina Antonia Kulterer.
About Iris
==========
I wrote to Iris and received a reply (...eat your hearts out, guys...).
;^)
She writes that 'Iris Camaa' is her stage name. 'Camma' is based on the
initials of her middle names. 'Kulterer' is her real, family name.
In addition to the Warsaw show, Iris has also performed with TD in the
'Inferno' show at Bernau and the most recent Shepherd's Bush show in
London, and she will appear in the upcoming Berlin 'Inferno' show as
well.
I have tried to coax Iris into posting her thoughts to the list, either
through me or through Joe or by posting directly. Let's hope...
Ciao -- Mark
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'Admin'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace
Good job Mark.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'tadream'
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace
> Hi All!
>
> About this show
> ===============
> Some nice pix are here:
>
> http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/TangerineDreamWarszawa
> /KonferencjaPrasowa/konferencjaprasowa.html
>
> (...some assembly required for the line above...)
>
> About WeinerSalsa
> =================
> Two of the ladies in the show, Jacqueline and Iris, are in the band
> WeinerSalsa. You can get more information and pictures here:
>
> http://www.evolucion.com/wienersalsa/musikerin.html
>
> Their full names are:
>
> Jacqueline Hechavarria Carbonell, and
>
> Iris Claudia Alexandra Martina Antonia Kulterer.
>
> About Iris
> ==========
> I wrote to Iris and received a reply (...eat your hearts out, guys...).
> ;^)
>
> She writes that 'Iris Camaa' is her stage name. 'Camma' is based on the
> initials of her middle names. 'Kulterer' is her real, family name.
>
> In addition to the Warsaw show, Iris has also performed with TD in the
> 'Inferno' show at Bernau and the most recent Shepherd's Bush show in
> London, and she will appear in the upcoming Berlin 'Inferno' show as
> well.
>
> I have tried to coax Iris into posting her thoughts to the list, either
> through me or through Joe or by posting directly. Let's hope...
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:27
am
Subject: A5k
This is aimed at the hardware heads and users who make music.
I found my Old Mac, stole the CD Rom, Stole my SCSI cable on my PC, hooked
it all up to the A5k. It works. I am now looking for samples I can use that
are in line with TD. Any help would be great. If you know anything about the
A5k that will help me (tips to hammer me in the head suggestions) that will
be cool too. Off list of course as Joe will might say, just how is this
related...
(The cd rom might not ever have seen the light of day again till the A5k
came around. The MAC still is in the box. This time it was 3 years since
last power applied.)
Dale
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:06
am
Subject: More... Most Beautiful Rock for Peace
Hi All!
About this show
===============
More nice pix from our friends in Poland (this time, of the show itself):
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/TangerineDreamWarszawa
/KoncertTDwWarszawie/koncerttdwwarszawie.html
(...some assembly required for the line above...)
BTW, 'WeinerSalsa' should be 'WienerSalsa'. Sorry...
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:30
am
Subject: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
Hi All!
(...I'm going to try this again...)
The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally
broadcast on 29 Dec 1991.
Why is this important?
======================
Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years
1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the final
Schimanski episode.
Why is this important?
======================
That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard.
Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of this
episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be rebroadcast,
as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are?
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:31
am
Subject: Artists
>Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to
>see some guide lines on how to make music.
>
>Dale
I am a graphic designer.
-Morgan
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:34
am
Subject: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
One more thing....
I sent 'One Night in Medina' and 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without
You', from the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode, to Paul and he says that
is NOT what he worked on with Edgar, Linda, and Jerome over that New
Years.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
I think the tree artwork has been outstanding.
Consider me a vote for carrying on in this style!
Poly
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Artists
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: [tadream] Artists
>
> >Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect
to
> >see some guide lines on how to make music.
> >
> >Dale
>
> I am a graphic designer.
>
> -Morgan
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
same here
I am very please with the hard work put forth on these covers.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork
> I think the tree artwork has been outstanding.
> Consider me a vote for carrying on in this style!
> Poly
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
what? I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Schimanski thread
(I even wore one of these jackets... #-) ) in the Tatort series,
and was of course watching this final episode. And I don't think
there was any TD music in there! I'm even pretty sure, because
after the episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' I used to listen
very carefully.
armin
>
> Hi All!
>
> (...I'm going to try this again...)
>
> The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally
> broadcast on 29 Dec 1991.
>
> Why is this important?
> ======================
> Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years
> 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the final
> Schimanski episode.
>
> Why is this important?
> ======================
> That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard.
>
>
> Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of this
> episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be rebroadcast,
> as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are?
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
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> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
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'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #272
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #272 June 6, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates ambient
music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'City,' the first disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya
label.
The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Paradise' by Robert Scroder on the IC
label.
I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at
the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Details can be
seen on the Events page.
Amir Baghiri
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun
Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Robert Scroder Timeless Paradise (IC)
Martin, Klamt, Rownd Canyon Voices Convergence (Spotted Peccary)
Ministry of Inside The Edge of the Live at the Phila. Museum
Things Wilderness (Synkronos)
Robert Rich Lapis Shambala (Space for Music)
Max Corbacho Magenta Beauty The Resonant Memory of Earth
(Space for Music)
Alhedion Part III Kosmische Spuren Eines Lebens
(Invisible Shadows)
Amir Baghiri Entrance City (Arya)
12:00 am
Amir Baghiri Bye or Die City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Escalator to Nowhere City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Creeping Emptiness City (Arya)
Over the Street
Amir Baghiri www.pace-maker City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Black Friday City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Fading Lights City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Mandala of a City City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Moon Cars City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Dream Your Own Dreams City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Requiem for a God City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Stoned Mother City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Lizzy Loves Dad City (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Exit City (Arya)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Live,' the second disc from 'The Bluebox
Collection' on the Arya label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Departure from the Northern
Wasteland' by Michael Hoenig on the Kuckuck label.
I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM show on WMUH 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Email me before submiting music for airplay consideration. billfox@f...
Radio Station Home Pages: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:48
pm
Subject: DWT 1 CD1
Hello everyone...
Funny. I was reorganizing (doesthatwordexist?) my CD shelves - no space for
more cds.. oh well.. - and I then noticed, it seems my CD1 of the first
Dreamwatchers' Tales has simply disappeared. Can anyone be kind enough to
make a copy of it for me? I have some things that may be of interest for a
trade, if necessary... but not original CDs, since those are really hard to
get and usually quite expensive...
thanks in advance,
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
'zlika1'
Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 8:05
am
Subject: Collection privée - Tangerine Dream
Salut,
En parcourant le WEB j'ai pu remarquer que les sites français
consacrés à TD étaient peu nombreux ...
Une visite sur http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pedro.machado/ s'impose dés
lors.
----------------
Hi,
There is not a lot of french sites about TD. So let's have a look at :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pedro.machado/
From:
'Richard Stockwell'
Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 5:56
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
>> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the
world......................
Sorry I disagree. Rugby has to be the MOST boring game in the world.
Sometimes it can take a game more than 30 minutes to progress just 5 metres
down the field.
Regards
Richard
Cranium Music
http://www.cranium.co.nz
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:21
pm
Subject: graphic artists
Well, there you go then!!! Perhaps you can do some of the covers for the
upcoming project.
:-)
<<
Subject: Artists
>Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to
>see some guide lines on how to make music.
>
>Dale
I am a graphic designer.
-Morgan>>>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
Golf and some baseball games have to be near the top of this list. I tell
you tennis falls within this too.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Richard Stockwell'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
> >> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the
> world......................
>
> Sorry I disagree. Rugby has to be the MOST boring game in the world.
> Sometimes it can take a game more than 30 minutes to progress just 5
metres
> down the field.
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
> Cranium Music
> http://www.cranium.co.nz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
atye@a...
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] graphic artists
In a message dated 6/10/2002 12:21:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Liondream@a... writes:
> Well, there you go then!!! Perhaps you can do some of the covers for the
> upcoming project.
>
> :-)
>
Oh, you've done it now !!!!
haha
;-)
ATYE
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] graphic artists
hehehe
yes the lid to the box has open
;-)
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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661-723-0266
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] graphic artists
> In a message dated 6/10/2002 12:21:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Liondream@a... writes:
>
>
> > Well, there you go then!!! Perhaps you can do some of the covers for the
> > upcoming project.
> >
> > :-)
> >
>
> Oh, you've done it now !!!!
> haha
>
> ;-)
> ATYE
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
ampmusic
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1372
> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:27:01 -0000
> From: 'gmroger'
> Subject: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl'
>
> As promised (goodness knows how long ago), here's my assessment of
> the new DWT project...
>
> In many ways I was quite surprised to see MARK JENKINS making a
> contribution to DWT2 - after all, he is a musician of note in EM. And
> he doesn't disappoint either, with `The Stealing of the Five
> Thousands' always busy, split into three sections, and very
> enjoyable. Certainly in my top five favourites...
>
> Roger Hartopp
Hi Roger,
Many thanks for your kind comments about my piece for 'Dreamwatchers Tales 2'.
I was very pleased to be able to record a track for the album while trying out
a new recording setup for my latest CD 'Sequencer Loops'. It was a very useful
exercise - I wanted to generate some of the feeling of the mid-period of
Tangerine Dream and practice balancing synths and sequencers against more
rock-oriented drums and guitars, and on 'The Stealing of the Five Thousand' I
hope you can hear little touches of 'Cyclone', 'Tangram', 'Force Majeure' and
the 1980 concerts, up to around the period of
'Optical Race'.
The album work went off in a slightly different direction - it still has plenty
of TD elements, but more in common with Ashra and Klaus Schulze, and again a
substantial rock element with touches of Carlos Santana and Mike Oldfield in
the guitar parts.
Anyway, I have already had some very pleasing reviews for 'Sequencer Loops',
and some extracts are appended.
'..one of those albums that is so strong, so heartfelt, so powerful and so
darned addictive that I can't imagine anyone's synth music collection being
complete without it...he's got the production, playing, arrangements, layers
and sounds absolutely spot on - the attention to detail is superb. There are
lashings of synths and sequencers, but the use of electric and acoustic guitars
takes it into a whole new dimension...an awesome musical spectacle...with
carefully selected samples, a hint of Eastern, (and) impressively composed and
played tracks...the album becomes one pleasure
after another, with the sequencer rhythms and synths commanding but in an
urgent, vibrant, almost organic manner, melodies and surging passages leading
the way...Impressed? You will be...'
Andy G. (C&DS, UK)
'...an energetic romp through all things electronic...bubbly, infectious
sequences and rhythms get the feet stomping early and often. Jenkins takes the
classic Berlin school genre and molds it into whatever he sees fit...each track
is a fully developed musical vision from start to finish, seamlessly flowing
into the next...many unique touches that make this a very worthwhile twist on a
normally well-worn sound. It's old, it's new, it's just plain fun'.
Phil Derby (Exposé Magazine, USA)
'This is a great album! It does not happen too often that I get such a good CD.
I played several series of tracks on my radio show 'Silent Running'. I'm
waiting for the next album...'
Gaston Klares (Radio ARA, LUXEMBOURG)
'...really hits the spot and also serves up a few surprises and interesting
ideas along the way...if you are into sequencer/rhythm combinations with loads
of melody then buy this without hesitation! There is so much infectious energy
here that you just have to let your body go with the pulsations. All in all
it's something of a stormer...irresistible stuff. I found my head nodding to
the beats all the way through it. This CD is full of no nonsense fun - not a
pretentious note in it...I liked it very much indeed'.
David Law (SMD, UK)
I'm pleased that the CD has been taken up by distributors all over the world
including Eurock in the USA, Groove in the Netherlands and Cue in Germany, as
well as being available direct from the website;
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html
For any tadream list members who order a copy from the website during June,
I'll include a free compilation CD featuring the first 15 or so other releases
on the label.
And thanks again for your encouragement!
Mark Jenkins
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1372
Way to go Mark!
If you haven't visited his web site, you should. Be sure to back up one
directory to the home page to see the rest.
:-)
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'ampmusic'
To:
Cc:
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1372
> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:27:01 -0000
> From: 'gmroger'
> Subject: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl'
>
> As promised (goodness knows how long ago), here's my assessment of
> the new DWT project...
>
> In many ways I was quite surprised to see MARK JENKINS making a
> contribution to DWT2 - after all, he is a musician of note in EM. And
> he doesn't disappoint either, with `The Stealing of the Five
> Thousands' always busy, split into three sections, and very
> enjoyable. Certainly in my top five favourites...
>
> Roger Hartopp
Hi Roger,
Many thanks for your kind comments about my piece for 'Dreamwatchers Tales
2'. I was very pleased to be able to record a track for the album while
trying out a new recording setup for my latest CD 'Sequencer Loops'. It was
a very useful exercise - I wanted to generate some of the feeling of the
mid-period of Tangerine Dream and practice balancing synths and sequencers
against more rock-oriented drums and guitars, and on 'The Stealing of the
Five Thousand' I hope you can hear little touches of 'Cyclone', 'Tangram',
'Force Majeure' and the 1980 concerts, up to around the period of
'Optical Race'.
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002
In a message dated 6/10/2002 10:23:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
richard@c... writes:
> >> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the
> world......................
>
> Sorry I disagree. Rugby has to be the MOST boring game in the world.
> Sometimes it can take a game more than 30 minutes to progress just 5 metres
> down the field.
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
*You guys ever watched Golf on the tele?
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:29
pm
Subject: most boring blah blah
>*You guys ever watched Golf on the tele?
hmm--having now seen Golf and Fishing on HDTV--I find it incredibly less
boring, then again I don't own an HDTV so it remains.....
--T
np bensusan and malherbe-live in paris
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
Hi Armin!
Here is what Paul Griesbach wrote to me:
> I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' episode, but I do
> know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german
> actor) as Inspector Schimanski. We were in the studio around
> New Year 90-91. I remember it well because the Froese's invited
> me down for a week to their house/studio near Vienna and we had
> a great time over New Years. I belive Linda played on a few
> things at that time. Most of what they used from me was played
> on a wind synthesizer.
I assumed that Paul meant the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode (on which
Linda did play and for which she received credit, and which, if Paul also
participated, he did not receive credit for -- see note). So I sent him
copies of 'One Night in Medina' and 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life
Without You'. After listening to them, he wrote back saying that those
were NOT the tunes he worked on.
Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, I was
curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced the 'Bis zum
Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in the first place.
When I checked the credits, I was also curious why Paul was not listed.
I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities:
1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from his
youth in California when he played in a band named 'The Shroomtones'.
2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode.
3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. --
Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that this
would be the case.
Since 1991 was the last season for the Schimanski episodes, and since the
one we know about, 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck', was not the one that Paul
played in, then it is quite possible that there is another 1991 episode
that has original TD music. If it is not the 'final' episode, it must be
another 1991 Schimanski episode.
According to my records, there were only 3 Schimanski episodes in 1991
(the final year for Schimanski):
09.06.91 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck'
27.10.91 'Kinderlieb'
29.12.91 'Der Fall Schimanski'
My list may be incomplete as it lists only one or two 'Tatort' episodes
per month.
Ciao -- Mark
Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> what? I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Schimanski thread
> (I even wore one of these jackets... #-) ) in the Tatort series,
> and was of course watching this final episode. And I don't think
> there was any TD music in there! I'm even pretty sure, because
> after the episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' I used to listen
> very carefully.
>
> armin
>
>Mark Filipak wrote:
> >
> > The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally
> > broadcast on 29 Dec 1991.
> >
> > Why is this important?
> > ======================
> > Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years
> > 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the
> > final Schimanski episode.
> >
> > Why is this important?
> > ======================
> > That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard.
> >
> > Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of
> > this episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be
> > rebroadcast, as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are?
From:
TheInfection
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:21
am
Subject: Re: Alien Seagull
>Do you know the tracks that Chris used the alien
>Seagull sound?
The sound actually is in every solo release from
Chris. Enchanting Nature, Klemania, London Concert,
B5-albums, they all have it.
And yes, I still think that it sound more like an
eagle than a seagull. Why you might ask? Well, have
you ever hear a seagull screaming? That's not a pretty
sound.
Regards,
TheInfection
=====
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
Hi,
thanks for all that info! TD music did not play such a crucial
role for the Schimanski thread in 'Tatort'. I think the german
'Klaus Lage Band' is much more associated with it.
cheers
armin
> Hi Armin!
>
> Here is what Paul Griesbach wrote to me:
>
> > I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' episode, but I do
> > know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german
> > actor) as Inspector Schimanski. We were in the studio around
> > New Year 90-91. I remember it well because the Froese's invited
> > me down for a week to their house/studio near Vienna and we had
> > a great time over New Years. I belive Linda played on a few
> > things at that time. Most of what they used from me was played
> > on a wind synthesizer.
>
> I assumed that Paul meant the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode (on which
> Linda did play and for which she received credit, and which, if Paul also
> participated, he did not receive credit for -- see note). So I sent him
> copies of 'One Night in Medina' and 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life
> Without You'. After listening to them, he wrote back saying that those
> were NOT the tunes he worked on.
>
> Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, I was
> curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced the 'Bis zum
> Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in the first place.
> When I checked the credits, I was also curious why Paul was not listed.
>
> I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities:
>
> 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from his
> youth in California when he played in a band named 'The Shroomtones'.
>
> 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode.
>
> 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. --
> Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that this
> would be the case.
>
> Since 1991 was the last season for the Schimanski episodes, and since the
> one we know about, 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck', was not the one that Paul
> played in, then it is quite possible that there is another 1991 episode
> that has original TD music. If it is not the 'final' episode, it must be
> another 1991 Schimanski episode.
>
> According to my records, there were only 3 Schimanski episodes in 1991
> (the final year for Schimanski):
>
> 09.06.91 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck'
> 27.10.91 'Kinderlieb'
> 29.12.91 'Der Fall Schimanski'
>
> My list may be incomplete as it lists only one or two 'Tatort' episodes
> per month.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
> Armin Theissen wrote:
> >
> > what? I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Schimanski thread
> > (I even wore one of these jackets... #-) ) in the Tatort series,
> > and was of course watching this final episode. And I don't think
> > there was any TD music in there! I'm even pretty sure, because
> > after the episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' I used to listen
> > very carefully.
> >
> > armin
> >
> >Mark Filipak wrote:
> > >
> > > The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally
> > > broadcast on 29 Dec 1991.
> > >
> > > Why is this important?
> > > ======================
> > > Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years
> > > 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the
> > > final Schimanski episode.
> > >
> > > Why is this important?
> > > ======================
> > > That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard.
> > >
> > > Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of
> > > this episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be
> > > rebroadcast, as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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SUN Microsystems Ireland
'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: DWT 1 CD1
Hello everyone, about that DWT1 CD1 I needed, someone has already contacted
me. Thanks!
best regards
GJ
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:28
pm
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
You can contact me for details.
The rule is simple.
One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below)
WITH the TITLE AND ARTIST NAME(s).
But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please
contact me too.
THE CONTRIBUTORS OF THE PREVIOUS DREAMWATCHERS PROJECT MUST CONFIRM THEIR
PARTICIPATION FOR THE THIRD EPISODE IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT !
The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
P.S.
Here are the contributors who confirmed their participation
Olyam
Nightbirds
Darklion
Döktor Strange
Fred Yargui
Paul Ellis
Pergamon
Mathhew Stringer
Ionic
Richard Ford
Gustavo Jobim
Olivier Briand
Maybe there will be a Darklion - Olyam track and a Nightbirds - Darklion
track
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
Yannick, do you like chocolate cake?
;-)
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Yannick EDOM'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
> Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
> The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see
below)
> WITH the TITLE AND ARTIST NAME(s).
>
> But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 ,
please
> contact me too.
>
> THE CONTRIBUTORS OF THE PREVIOUS DREAMWATCHERS PROJECT MUST CONFIRM THEIR
> PARTICIPATION FOR THE THIRD EPISODE IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT !
>
> The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> P.S.
>
> Here are the contributors who confirmed their participation
>
> Olyam
> Nightbirds
> Darklion
> Döktor Strange
> Fred Yargui
> Paul Ellis
> Pergamon
> Mathhew Stringer
> Ionic
> Richard Ford
> Gustavo Jobim
> Olivier Briand
>
> Maybe there will be a Darklion - Olyam track and a Nightbirds - Darklion
> track
>
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
Welp......that leaves me out.....shortest track I have that's almost finished
clocks in way over that time frame.
Yannick EDOM wrote:
> Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
>
> You can contact me for details.
>
> The rule is simple.
>
> One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
>
> Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
Doing the long ones these days huh?
Still, maybe he can make a exception for you as I hate to not see some of
your work.(hear that is)
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
> Welp......that leaves me out.....shortest track I have that's almost
finished
> clocks in way over that time frame.
>
> Yannick EDOM wrote:
>
> > Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open.
> >
> > You can contact me for details.
> >
> > The rule is simple.
> >
> > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio.
> >
> > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long.
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl'
Thanks for the kind words Roger.
I'd be interested to know what equipment was used on the various tracks.
For mine, the entire track was performed on a cheap Yamaha PSR-225 (Under
$300 at Best Buy). I used the various DSP, Chorus, and Dual Voice options
to get the sounds I wanted.
I programmed the sequence using the built-in step recorder, and overlaid the
chords and bass in 'realtime' record mode. (The PSR-225 will record up to 6
tracks in each multi-track 'song'. Unfortunately it only stores 3 songs,
and there's no way to transfer them digitally.)
The piano parts were played live at the time of recording.
I recorded the track on my AMD-based PC, with a $45 SoundBlaster Live
soundcard. Absolutely NO post-processing was done (Although I probably
should have equalized the bass a little).
James
-----Original Message-----
From: gmroger [mailto:gmroger@p...]
{snip}
The last track on disc 1 is another example of what one can do in the
space of three minutes (and eleven seconds). JAMES OWENS' `Leonids'
kicks off with a lovely piano (which reminded me of TD, as they love
to start some of their classic pieces with a piano) and then moves
into a lovely memorable organ/synth and piano. And then it's all
over...
{snip}
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From:
jerome
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:05
am
Subject: [tadream] DWT 2 Equipment used
hey there...
--- 'Owens, James' wrote:
> I'd be interested to know what equipment was used on the various tracks.
we (ionic) used four keyboards, recording live and improvising everything...
keyboards:
yahama An1x
yahama SY99
Oberheim
Roland Jx80 (okay this is an expander board, but a forth, no name digital piano
was used as a controller)
everything was recorded through an ADAT into cubase VST...
post processing was eqing everything and extracting this first 7 plus minutes
from a 30 minute piece...
jerome
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
> Yannick, do you like chocolate cake?
>
> ;-)
> dale
?????????!!!!!!!!!
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:41
am
Subject: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th
(Broken English)
before TD's 'Inferno' show is taking place this Saturday there will be a
fan meeting , and everyone going to the concert is hereby invited to
join us. We hope to find a nice bar/pub/restaurant in the surrounding
area where we can eat & drink.
*Meeting point* will be the concert area (location: Old National
Gallery/ Museum Island, Bodestrasse 1-3)
Time: between 6.00-6.30 pm (I'm the guy with the Ramones t-shirt :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----------------
(Deutsch)
Vor dem am Samstag stattfindenden TD-Konzert wird ein Fan-Treffen
stattfinden, zu dem ich Euch herzlich einlade. Nachdem wir alle
eingetrudelt sind, werden wir in der näheren Umgebung nach einem Pub
oder Restaurant Ausschau halten, um danach zum Konzert zu gehen
Treffpunkt: : Das Konzertgelände (Kolonnadenhof vor der Alten
Nationalgalerie/ Museumsinsel, Bodestr. 1-3)
Zeitpunkt: zwischen 18.00-18.30 Uhr (ich trage wie immer mein
Ramones-T-Shirt :-)
Heiko Heerssen
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From:
'albenson'
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:20
am
Subject: Re: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th
Heiko the leader of the TD tad-tree rat pack wrote:
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:41:23 +0200
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> Subject: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th
>
> (Broken English)
> before TD's 'Inferno' show is taking place this Saturday
> there will be a fan meeting , and everyone going to the
> concert is hereby invited to join us. We hope to find a
> nice bar/pub/restaurant in the surrounding area where we
> can eat & drink.
Hehehe...
Save me a *warm* seat --
I mean drink a *beer* for me! ~lol~
> *Meeting point* will be the concert area (location:
> Old National Gallery/ Museum Island, Bodestrasse 1-3)
> Time: between 6.00-6.30 pm (I'm the guy with the
> Ramones t-shirt :-)
Haven't I seen you somewhere before
with that *old* Ramones T-shirt? ;-)
Have fun guys! Sure wish that I could
be there... :-)
Best Always,
-- Al
Berkeley, CA / USA
From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
well if you do
Yannick is great, we need to give him chocolate cake!
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Yannick EDOM'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III
> > Yannick, do you like chocolate cake?
> >
> > ;-)
> > dale
>
> ?????????!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th
At 08:41 12.06.02 , you wrote:
>(Broken English)
>before TD's 'Inferno' show is taking place this Saturday there will be a
>fan meeting , and everyone going to the concert is hereby invited to
>join us. We hope to find a nice bar/pub/restaurant in the surrounding
>area where we can eat & drink.
>*Meeting point* will be the concert area (location: Old National
>Gallery/ Museum Island, Bodestrasse 1-3)
>Time: between 6.00-6.30 pm (I'm the guy with the Ramones t-shirt :-)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
>
>(Deutsch)
>Vor dem am Samstag stattfindenden TD-Konzert wird ein Fan-Treffen
>stattfinden, zu dem ich Euch herzlich einlade. Nachdem wir alle
>eingetrudelt sind, werden wir in der näheren Umgebung nach einem Pub
>oder Restaurant Ausschau halten, um danach zum Konzert zu gehen
>Treffpunkt: : Das Konzertgelände (Kolonnadenhof vor der Alten
>Nationalgalerie/ Museumsinsel, Bodestr. 1-3)
>Zeitpunkt: zwischen 18.00-18.30 Uhr (ich trage wie immer mein
>Ramones-T-Shirt :-)
>
>Heiko Heerssen
>
>
Hello Heiko and all,
just a short info: doors for the show on Saturday will be 8:30 p.m. - i.e.
you´ll have 2 hours for chatting until you can get in. The seat´s aren´t
numbered - they are split into three price categories and you can choose
your seat freely in your category.
Some affordable restaurant recommendations nearby:
- German Food: Leopold´s Brauhaus - Markthalle am Alexanderplatz (just walk
up to the big street, Unter den Linden, turn right and walk towards
Alexanderplatz (big TV tower) stay on the side of the street you´re on and
walk for 5 min.) They have a good microbrewery there with three home-made
beers on tap)
- Irish Pub: The Harp, S-Bhf Hackescher Markt. walk to the big street
again, turn left, walk to the next big street corner, turn left again, walk
down to the train station 'Hackescher Markt'. Pub is in train station.
- Spanish Tapas 'YoSoy': walk down to Hackescher Markt, walk through train
station, walk straight on to next big street, turn right, walk 20 m. you´re
there.
Those are affordable recommendations, Mitte, where the show´s at is very
trendy and expensive. The best bars and freakiest bars in town are in the
Simon-Dach-Str. in Friedrichshain.
See you at the show... merchandise... ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1373
There is nothing like the excitement of watching 43 rednecks drive in
circles for 4 hours at 200+ miles an hour!!!!!
Neal
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:25:52 -0700
From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002
Golf and some baseball games have to be near the top of this list. I tell
you tennis falls within this too.
dale
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From:
cosmos1@w...
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:07
pm
Subject: some tasty items for sale or trade
here's a link to some interesting items i don't need anymore in my collection.
for more details go to http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos1/trade.htm
sorry if you see this message a couple of times, but if you don't like it
just delete it :)
regards
andre
From:
ampmusic
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1373
> --- 'Owens, James' wrote:
>
> > I'd be interested to know what equipment was used on the various tracks.
On 'The Stealing of the Five Thousand' there are exactly three instruments :-)
Two of them are the electric guitar and MiniMoog on the solos towards the end.
Anyone who can guess the third, which does everything including all the drums
and effects in one pass, gets a free copy of the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium
Vol. 2' compilation CD featuring Paul Haslinger along with Micheal Rother &
Dieter Moebius, Bernd Kistenmacher and various interesting non-Germans...
Clue; it's smaller than you may think, and it's fairly prominent under 'Other
Keyboards' on my webpage
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/equipment.html
But that was an exercise in minimalism. In contrast my new CD 'Sequencer Loops'
has a ridiculous instrument list - a Yamaha EX1, Access Virus, Roland JD800's
and JD990's, weird old synths and vocoders from CRB, Teisco and ETI, and
'secret weapons' like the Solton Programmer 24 and TS4. Lots of short MP3's
from this at
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html
Oh, and I'll try to offer something for 'DWT3' :-)
Mark Jenkins
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:29
pm
Subject: pandora strikes again
Umm, oops!
<<
Subject: Re: graphic artists
hehehe
yes the lid to the box has open
;-)
dale>>>
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:35
pm
Subject: DWTIII Aspiring synthesist seeks same...
Hey, if anyone out there would be interested in giving it a go for a dwtiii
collaboration, please contact me off list.
There are already two of us joining forces - thought it might be cool to have a
third.
Wes
Liondream@a...
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:23
pm
Subject: Universal Soldier
I noticed on Brit TV today that Universal Solidier and its sequel will be on TV
on Saturday. I think Channel 5 at 9pm
Isn't that a Franke film score?
David
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:55
am
Subject: test,sorry!
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:20
am
Subject: TT2 participants database
For now, the databse is at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12
You will have to log into yahoogroups to access. Note that this time, I'm
leaving the database open, and you can go in and edit your own status.
We'll see how this works.
Go there, make sure your data is accurate.
Joe
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:36
am
Subject: Saturday's show
What's the venue for the show Saturday?
Scott
From:
gmroger@p...
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers Tales II/Merchandise at concert
Thanks Mark and James for your kind words in return! Glad to hear Mark you're
(hopefully) contributing to the next DWT.
In judging these tracks, I just simply enjoy something that's well structured
and has a good tune. You guys duly delivered.
Now, Martin has hinted there's going to be merchandise at the Inferno concert.
I'm only after any TD Cd's previously unreleased. No Tee Shirts, no posters.
Can anyone help me out? I will pay.
Regards
Roger Hartopp
From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:51
pm
Subject: Edgar is 36!!! - ElektroBeats no news :-)
Hi Gang!
I did record and listen to the ElektroBeat show last evening - no news -
it was just a repeat of the 10.10.2001 interview with Edgar...with the Inferno
CD...
BUT
this afternoon Edgar Froese and Jayney Klimek was interviewed (Read Edgar
Froese) at Radio Eins Berlin
It was fun, but in GERMAN in a pop show (Edgar is just 36!!:-))))
duration around 24 min.....
The Burg show will go on + maybe London & Paris....
I did record the both interviews let me know if you want the show(s)...
Peter pr@r...
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
sorry; let me figure this out; I'm changing the settings properly, but they
are not taking hold.
-----Original Message-----
From: jerome
To: jshoults@f...
Sent: 6/13/02 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 participants database
hey, joe...
i couldn't edit my stuff... and i was logged on...
any ideas... i'd like to change my info...
thanks
jerome
--- Joe Shoults wrote:
> For now, the databse is at
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12
>
> You will have to log into yahoogroups to access. Note that this time,
I'm
> leaving the database open, and you can go in and edit your own status.
> We'll see how this works.
>
> Go there, make sure your data is accurate.
>
> Joe
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:39
pm
Subject: email test
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:53
am
Subject: Sorcerer
I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on
vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
Dale
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
lost out...
anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
> I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on
> vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'heineu'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:38
am
Subject: back from vacation
Hello,
I am back from vacation, and we see us tomorrow in Berlin to the Fan
meeting.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
heiko@o...
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 12:41
pm
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD according
to reviews
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Admin admin@k...
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
lost out...
anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
> I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on
> vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 12:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
'michaeljean@e...' wrote:
>
> I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD
> according to reviews
That's true of 'Exit' but not Sorcerer.
The only negative information that I have is for the German pressings of
'Sorcerer', MCD10842, spindle marked 'sonopress k-4638/ mcd10842 A dsc4'.
Apparently the beginning and the end of each track is slightly clipped by
a noise gate.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:31
pm
Subject: Heartbreakers
I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts from
'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the
film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one
dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same
vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire'
thanks
Paul
http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler
http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane-
http://www.vision68.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
> I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD
according to reviews
> MJ
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Admin admin@k...
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
>
>
> lost out...
>
> anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
>
>
> > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it
on
> > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Heartbreakers
Dennis Nigbur
Sat
6/15/2002
6 KB
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
Actually in hindsight I wouldn`t describe 'Desire ' as dreaful at all now
I`ve heard it properly .
Its amazing what listening to music in a traffic Jam can do for judgment
.Its still not as good as the other 2 , but not dreadfull .
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Lawler'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:31 PM
Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers
> I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts
from
> 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the
> film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one
> dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the
same
> vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire'
>
> thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler
> http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane-
> http://www.vision68.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
>
>
> > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD
> according to reviews
> > MJ
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Admin admin@k...
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > lost out...
> >
> > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> >
> > dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Admin'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it
> on
> > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'yanx_88'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:03
pm
Subject: MSN TDI...
Hi every TD fans!
Just for fun I add a TDI icon for the MSN Messenger user.
You simply change the logo 'lvback.gif' in the Messenger folder
(generaly in Program files section\Messenger\.
The icon is in the photos section of the group.
Dream On again and again!
Yanick
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Re: MSN TDI...
michaeljean@e...
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
Eh!! 'Desire' is for me the only reason to be glad having spend the
money on that album.... (but we're used to radically different
options on TD matters)
a.
>
> I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts from
> 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the
> film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one
> dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same
> vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire'
>
> thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler
> http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane-
> http://www.vision68.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
>
>
> > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD
> according to reviews
> > MJ
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Admin admin@k...
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > lost out...
> >
> > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> >
> > dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Admin'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it
> on
> > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
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From:
'Bruce A. Crichton'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: Re: Sorcerer
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> From: 'Admin'
> Subject: Re: Sorcerer
>
> lost out...
>
> anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
>
> dale
>
I didn't think it was that hard to find.
Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
I think 'Desire' is just brilliant. But that comes from a person
who adores 'Zeit'... #-)
armin
>
> Actually in hindsight I wouldn`t describe 'Desire ' as dreaful at all now
> I`ve heard it properly .
> Its amazing what listening to music in a traffic Jam can do for judgment
> .Its still not as good as the other 2 , but not dreadfull .
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Paul Lawler'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:31 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers
>
>
> > I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts
> from
> > 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the
> > film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one
> > dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the
> same
> > vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire'
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler
> > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane-
> > http://www.vision68.co.uk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM
> > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD
> > according to reviews
> > > MJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Admin admin@k...
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
> > >
> > >
> > > lost out...
> > >
> > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> > >
> > > dale
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Admin'
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
> > > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
> > >
> > >
> > > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it
> > on
> > > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
> > > >
> > > > Dale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > > >
> > > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
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> >
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: inferno availability
anyone find inferno in the concrete and steel shops, yet?
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Re: inferno availability
René Brenner
Fri
6/14/2002
2 KB
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bruce A. Crichton'
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
>
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > From: 'Admin'
> > Subject: Re: Sorcerer
> >
> > lost out...
> >
> > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> >
> > dale
> >
>
> I didn't think it was that hard to find.
>
> Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
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Re: Sorcerer
convention24
Fri
6/14/2002
3 KB
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] MSN TDI...
That's a cute idea... I tried it, but I don't know how to tell if it worked...
My MSN identity is michaeljean@e... I will stay signed in for a
while in case anyone can let me know how it appears...
Original Message:
-----------------
From: yanx_88 tdream88@h...
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:03:38 -0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] MSN TDI...
Hi every TD fans!
Just for fun I add a TDI icon for the MSN Messenger user.
You simply change the logo 'lvback.gif' in the Messenger folder
(generaly in Program files section\Messenger\.
The icon is in the photos section of the group.
Dream On again and again!
Yanick
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] inferno availability
On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 09:36:35 -0700, tei waz wrote:
> anyone find inferno in the concrete and steel shops, yet?
>
no but many online shops have it now e.g. groove.nl
Rene
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
I re-bought my collection on CD but *only* for the reason that
CDs are easier to transport if you keep on moving around the world
(or Europe only, in my case, so far...). I miss my vinyl very much.
a
>
> If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Bruce A. Crichton'
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > > From: 'Admin'
> > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer
> > >
> > > lost out...
> > >
> > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> > >
> > > dale
> > >
> >
> > I didn't think it was that hard to find.
> >
> > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
I had my turntable borrowed a while back along with my Carver Sonic
Holography and a Static/pop remover. Lets just say I never fully recovered
what was borrowed. I just moved on in a different direction. (All my music
gear is geared towards making music now). Is D4 still existing? (note if
your from the 80's you might have used D4 on the records to clean them).
So I just continued to move on to replace the records with CD's and save the
records. Most of mine are European Releases due to me living in Spain for a
few years.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
> If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Bruce A. Crichton'
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________
> > >
________________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > > From: 'Admin'
> > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer
> > >
> > > lost out...
> > >
> > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> > >
> > > dale
> > >
> >
> > I didn't think it was that hard to find.
> >
> > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:19
pm
Subject: re: Is D4 still existing?
It's D4+ now
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Is D4 still existing? aka Sorcerer
new and improved + huh?
I found the a bottle of D4 and its roller I had the other day when I was
looking for the MAC SCSI CD ROM for the sampler. That is what made me think
about it.
I wonder is the Amazon.com CD is a good pressing or not. The UK might be
better? I heard some music from another band yesterday day (they are on this
list) that reminded me of Sorcerer, and now I got Sorcerer running thru my
mind. I wonder if this is related to Delayed Stress Syndrome or just a
overdosed TD person?
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: [tadream] re: Is D4 still existing?
> It's D4+ now
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
gmroger@p...
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: Sorcerer
>Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:53:45 -0700
> From: 'Admin'
>Subject: Sorcerer
>
>I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on
>vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
>
>Dale
>
>Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> From: 'Admin'
>Subject: Re: Sorcerer
>
>lost out...
>
>anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
>
>dale
Hasn't 'Sorcerer' been recently rereleased? I saw a copy in HMV Leicester the
other day, and it has even been reviewed in the current issue of 'Q' (where it
got three stars which I suppose isn't bad considering it was reviewed by a
mainstream magazine!)
Certainly in Britain I reckon it's pretty easy to order. Have you tried Compact
Disc Services, for example?
Roger Hartopp
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:09
pm
Subject: Re: Sorcerer
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Bruce A. Crichton'
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer
>
>
> >
> > >
_________________________________________________________________
> > >
______________________________________________________________________
__
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > > From: 'Admin'
> > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer
> > >
> > > lost out...
> > >
> > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> > >
> > > dale
> > >
> >
> > I didn't think it was that hard to find.
> >
> > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >Vinyl or CD, an absolute CLASSIC.I am sat here wishing i was in
BERLIN, but im listening to the AWESOME Poland,This surely must rank
amongst the all time Classics.TANGERINE DREAM,there is no DOUBT in my
mind that they are the GREATEST of all time.
NP:Royal Albert Hall 75 Without doubt their all time GREATEST.
Sorry to ramble on,but i cant help it,i Love these guys.
Best regards CJ
> >
> >
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:22
pm
Subject: Warsaw 83
The list has been pretty much catatonic, so here's something to look at...
If I were stranded on a desert island with only one TD video (and a player,
electricity and a TV of course!) it would be the video shot on Polish TV of
the 1983 December 10 Warsaw show. (Of course, since I am wishing, I'd have
them remove the silly ballet dancer and mannequin sequences).
Here's some snapshots...
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/warsaw83/
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Warsaw 83
You got too much time on your hands.... (Styx)
Put some of that time on ebay so I can buy some of it...
;-)
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:22 PM
Subject: [tadream] Warsaw 83
> The list has been pretty much catatonic, so here's something to look at...
>
> If I were stranded on a desert island with only one TD video (and a
player,
> electricity and a TV of course!) it would be the video shot on Polish TV
of
> the 1983 December 10 Warsaw show. (Of course, since I am wishing, I'd have
> them remove the silly ballet dancer and mannequin sequences).
>
> Here's some snapshots...
>
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/warsaw83/
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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>
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 11:48
am
Subject: Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
Mark,
there is more TD music (actually, sound bits and backgrounds) in
'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' than was released with Chi Coltrane.
Wouldn't Occam be delighted by the explanation that what Paul
worked on was the 'unreleased' stuff ? You should play him
the 'full soundtrack' instead of just the Chi Coltrane songs.
cheers,
klaus
> Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, I was
> curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced the 'Bis zum
> Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in the first place.
> When I checked the credits, I was also curious why Paul was not listed.
>
> I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities:
>
> 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from his
> youth in California when he played in a band named 'The Shroomtones'.
>
> 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode.
>
> 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. --
> Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that this
> would be the case.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode
Hi Klaus! et al!
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> there is more TD music (actually, sound bits and backgrounds) in
> 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' than was released with Chi Coltrane.
Hmm... bits and pieces does sound like what Paul Griesbach said he worked
on. He said they were wind synth samples.
> Wouldn't Occam be delighted by the explanation that what Paul
> worked on was the 'unreleased' stuff ? You should play him
> the 'full soundtrack' instead of just the Chi Coltrane songs.
Occam? Hmm... you suggest the 'simplest answer'. Well done, Grasshopper.
I'd love to send Paul the full soundtrack. Got any ideas on how I could
get the full soundtrack? ;^) (...low rez MP3 samples of the bits and
pieces would do nicely...)
Ciao -- Mark
> cheers,
> klaus
>
> > Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990,
> > I was curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced
> > the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in
> > the first place. When I checked the credits, I was also curious why
> > Paul was not listed.
> >
> > I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities:
> >
> > 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from
> > his youth in California when he played in a band named 'The
> > Shroomtones'.
> >
> > 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode.
> >
> > 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. --
> > Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that
> > this would be the case.
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
You should probably just give it a try - the album is worth that. It's got
some nice work on it, including the delightful 'Footbridge to Heaven',
but some other tracks can sound a bit bland. Personally, my
assessment would be that it's an often interesting and nearly always
evocative soundtrack, which is nowhere near as bad as commonly
thought. I don't think it comes anywhere near 'Poland', but I prefer it to
'Le Parc'.
Dennis
On 14 Jun 2002 at 15:31, Paul Lawler wrote:
> I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some
> exerpts from 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great
> tracks from the film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' ,
> and there is one dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this
> soundtrack in the same vein as the two good tracks , or they all like
> 'Desire'
>
> thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler
> http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane-
> http://www.vision68.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
>
>
> > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the
> > CD
> according to reviews
> > MJ
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Admin admin@k...
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > lost out...
> >
> > anyone have this out there for sell on cd?
> >
> > dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Admin'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer
> >
> >
> > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only
> > > have it
> on
> > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 3:49
am
Subject: RE: Heartbreakers
Heartbreakers. Nice CD. Not one of my favorites, no, but helps to round out
my collection.
The two tracks you mention are good.
I actually like Desire. Whether it's 'dreadful' musically or not, I'm not
one to judge; I'm just a layman, after all. It's a rather moody piece,
evoking well a strong sense of longing and opportunities lost. Makes me a
bit sad every time I hear it, thinking of things the 'might have been.' So
for me, I 'spose it has meaning. 'Desire' is actually my favorite track on
the CD. Of course, this is subject to change, as my tastes change over time.
I'll grant you that it's not a particularly 'deep' or complex piece. I have
not seen the movie, so I can't say whether it 'fits' the scene it was
written for or not (and perhaps that would be MOST important, given this is
a soundtrack album).
The only way to know if you'll like the rest of the CD is to listen to it.
Borrow a friend's, perhaps. Or just buy it for your collection. For example,
I have 'The Keep' (both CD and VHS), for 'collection purposes only, and I
can tell you that I HATE both of them. Awful pieces, hard to listen to,
harder to watch. But that's just my humble opinion.
Just a TD listener....
James Horecka, AIA, Architect
From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:17
am
Subject: Inferno Concert
Hi everyone
Who attended the Berlin Inferno concert could give us a report of the event?
Rgds
Jeffrey
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database. I've got good
news and not so bad news:
The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the yahoogorups
database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that you will have
to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are ultimately not able
to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for you, but you can't
go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever creates the record
can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also can, so all you
need to be able to do is log in when you click this link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
But please pay heed to the table description below!
So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and you don't have to
wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to date in real
time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes yourself for this
to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play fair and only
make appropriate updates for themselves.
TABLE DESCRIPTION:
In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some common field value
usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will help us manage
the progress. For example, I export the values to a spreadsheet and sort
them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated correctly to
sort properly.
Name: your name. we request that you use your real name
E-mail: please make it one that you really use
Location: country first, then region if desired
Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned to you if it
hasn't been already.
TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2= for TT2 only
B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only be a leaf for
TT2
Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other branches) you will
support
Format:
Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format
SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format
DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only)
Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree
Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please always start it
with one of the values below:
UNASSIGNED
PENDING
DISKS RECEIVED
NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED' just because you
mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when *received*.
OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if anything is not
working or any feedback is welcome!
Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and artwork producers
and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume!
Joe
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 1:54
pm
Subject: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
OK I was wrong- you CAN edit the mass-imported items. so the tree database
is ready, as I've received entries as of 2 days ago. I'll make the rest
later.
Again: the database is populate. check it anyway to make sure your entry
is correct.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:08 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
>
>
> OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database.
> I've got good
> news and not so bad news:
>
> The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the yahoogorups
> database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that
> you will have
> to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are
> ultimately not able
> to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for
> you, but you can't
> go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever
> creates the record
> can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also
> can, so all you
> need to be able to do is log in when you click this link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
>
> But please pay heed to the table description below!
>
> So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and
> you don't have to
> wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to
> date in real
> time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes
> yourself for this
> to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play
> fair and only
> make appropriate updates for themselves.
>
> TABLE DESCRIPTION:
> In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some
> common field value
> usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will
> help us manage
> the progress. For example, I export the values to a
> spreadsheet and sort
> them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated
> correctly to
> sort properly.
>
>
> Name: your name. we request that you use your real name
>
> E-mail: please make it one that you really use
>
> Location: country first, then region if desired
>
> Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned
> to you if it
> hasn't been already.
>
> TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2= for TT2 only
>
> B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only
> be a leaf for
> TT2
>
> Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other
> branches) you will
> support
>
> Format:
> Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format
> SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format
> DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only)
>
> Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree
>
> Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please
> always start it
> with one of the values below:
> UNASSIGNED
> PENDING
> DISKS RECEIVED
>
> NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED'
> just because you
> mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when *received*.
>
> OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if anything is not
> working or any feedback is welcome!
>
> Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and
> artwork producers
> and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume!
>
> Joe
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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From:
'Alan Miller'
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 8:58
pm
Subject: Inferno Concert
Just back from Berlin........first impressions still in my mind.
Do the maths: Fantasic Venue + Excellent Music + Great Company = Amazing and
memorable concert.
Thanks to everyone who turned up and said Hi, hope you guys got backstage
( sorry, I could not wait). My photos (not too bad) I will send on to those
I promised.
Thanks Heiko, good to meet you.....I know I still owe you a beer or two.
Alan
(aka diamondsndust)
PS. I now have a photo of Edgar (nearly) smiling - that has be a rarity!!!!!
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:31
pm
Subject: RE: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
I'm sorry to have been so confusing about all this database stuff. I've
gotten feedback offlist that I've overcomplicated it. If anyone has a
question, feel free to contact me offlist or onlist if you think it will
help other people to see a response.
Simply:
1) go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12
2) search for your name
3) Click 'Edit' to change your info.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:54 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
>
>
> OK I was wrong- you CAN edit the mass-imported items. so the
> tree database
> is ready, as I've received entries as of 2 days ago. I'll
> make the rest
> later.
>
> Again: the database is populate. check it anyway to make
> sure your entry
> is correct.
>
> Joe
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:08 AM
> > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
> >
> >
> > OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database.
> > I've got good
> > news and not so bad news:
> >
> > The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the
> yahoogorups
> > database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that
> > you will have
> > to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are
> > ultimately not able
> > to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for
> > you, but you can't
> > go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever
> > creates the record
> > can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also
> > can, so all you
> > need to be able to do is log in when you click this link:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
> >
> > But please pay heed to the table description below!
> >
> > So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and
> > you don't have to
> > wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to
> > date in real
> > time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes
> > yourself for this
> > to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play
> > fair and only
> > make appropriate updates for themselves.
> >
> > TABLE DESCRIPTION:
> > In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some
> > common field value
> > usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will
> > help us manage
> > the progress. For example, I export the values to a
> > spreadsheet and sort
> > them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated
> > correctly to
> > sort properly.
> >
> >
> > Name: your name. we request that you use your real name
> >
> > E-mail: please make it one that you really use
> >
> > Location: country first, then region if desired
> >
> > Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned
> > to you if it
> > hasn't been already.
> >
> > TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2=
> for TT2 only
> >
> > B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only
> > be a leaf for
> > TT2
> >
> > Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other
> > branches) you will
> > support
> >
> > Format:
> > Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format
> > SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format
> > DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only)
> >
> > Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree
> >
> > Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please
> > always start it
> > with one of the values below:
> > UNASSIGNED
> > PENDING
> > DISKS RECEIVED
> >
> > NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED'
> > just because you
> > mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when
> *received*.
> >
> > OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if
> anything is not
> > working or any feedback is welcome!
> >
> > Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and
> > artwork producers
> > and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume!
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Piotr \'Millennium\''
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Concert
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Berlin2002/berlin2002.html
Pozdrawiam
Piotr S. 'Millennium'
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/
> Hi everyone
>
> Who attended the Berlin Inferno concert could give us a report of the event?
>
> Rgds
> Jeffrey
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Concert
You should scan that picture in and send to Joe for placement on his web
site.
It is truly a rarity.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Alan Miller'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: [tadream] Inferno Concert
> Just back from Berlin........first impressions still in my mind.
>
> Do the maths: Fantasic Venue + Excellent Music + Great Company = Amazing
and
> memorable concert.
>
> Thanks to everyone who turned up and said Hi, hope you guys got backstage
> ( sorry, I could not wait). My photos (not too bad) I will send on to
those
> I promised.
>
> Thanks Heiko, good to meet you.....I know I still owe you a beer or two.
>
> Alan
> (aka diamondsndust)
>
> PS. I now have a photo of Edgar (nearly) smiling - that has be a
rarity!!!!!
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:54
pm
Subject: Re: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
change and human nature normaly do not go hand in hand
Me, I and what is left of myself, just thought we deal with it when the
time comes...
mesa so confussesso on alsoo stuff like this sa
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
> I'm sorry to have been so confusing about all this database stuff. I've
> gotten feedback offlist that I've overcomplicated it. If anyone has a
> question, feel free to contact me offlist or onlist if you think it will
> help other people to see a response.
>
> Simply:
> 1) go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12
>
> 2) search for your name
>
> 3) Click 'Edit' to change your info.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:54 AM
> > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > Subject: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
> >
> >
> > OK I was wrong- you CAN edit the mass-imported items. so the
> > tree database
> > is ready, as I've received entries as of 2 days ago. I'll
> > make the rest
> > later.
> >
> > Again: the database is populate. check it anyway to make
> > sure your entry
> > is correct.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:08 AM
> > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database.
> > > I've got good
> > > news and not so bad news:
> > >
> > > The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the
> > yahoogorups
> > > database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that
> > > you will have
> > > to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are
> > > ultimately not able
> > > to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for
> > > you, but you can't
> > > go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever
> > > creates the record
> > > can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also
> > > can, so all you
> > > need to be able to do is log in when you click this link:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
> > >
> > > But please pay heed to the table description below!
> > >
> > > So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and
> > > you don't have to
> > > wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to
> > > date in real
> > > time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes
> > > yourself for this
> > > to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play
> > > fair and only
> > > make appropriate updates for themselves.
> > >
> > > TABLE DESCRIPTION:
> > > In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some
> > > common field value
> > > usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will
> > > help us manage
> > > the progress. For example, I export the values to a
> > > spreadsheet and sort
> > > them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated
> > > correctly to
> > > sort properly.
> > >
> > >
> > > Name: your name. we request that you use your real name
> > >
> > > E-mail: please make it one that you really use
> > >
> > > Location: country first, then region if desired
> > >
> > > Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned
> > > to you if it
> > > hasn't been already.
> > >
> > > TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2=
> > for TT2 only
> > >
> > > B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only
> > > be a leaf for
> > > TT2
> > >
> > > Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other
> > > branches) you will
> > > support
> > >
> > > Format:
> > > Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format
> > > SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format
> > > DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only)
> > >
> > > Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree
> > >
> > > Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please
> > > always start it
> > > with one of the values below:
> > > UNASSIGNED
> > > PENDING
> > > DISKS RECEIVED
> > >
> > > NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED'
> > > just because you
> > > mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when
> > *received*.
> > >
> > > OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if
> > anything is not
> > > working or any feedback is welcome!
> > >
> > > Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and
> > > artwork producers
> > > and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume!
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 participants database
Joe Shoults wrote [lots of information about the TT2 database]:
If it is possible, random access would be a nice feature to add. 'Mark'
is right in the middle and going page by page to get to it is a drag.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
>
> Eh!! 'Desire' is for me the only reason to be glad having spend the
> money on that album.... (but we're used to radically different
> options on TD matters)
Thats true , one mans rubbish is another mans treasure . Thanks for the
opinions , does anybody know if the album is still available ?
Paul
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:58
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organizers
Tangerine Tree 2. It's being met with much salivation and excitement.
Indeed, the music and sound quality, and the thought that went into the
artwork and preparation of the first Tangerine Tree can hardly be argued.
Sources are being found and remastering techniques used that simply have not
been tried on this scale before. If there is concern for the second Tree,
it's over one issue, distribution. What will happen when the first sets of
discs get into the branch leader's hands? Well, with candid advice (and
criticism) from list members, and much-improved organization, I can assure
you the next Tree will be 10 times better.
The first thing different will be an open request that anyone who is too
busy is encouraged to sign up as a leaf. Everyone should get a copy, but if
someone is going to take a long time, it's not a good idea for them to be a
branch, right? I already know several people who had good trading records
before this Tree who have gotten swamped with work, etc. and now their names
are being tarnished as a result. There is no shame in signing up as a leaf!
The initial set of discs coming over to the US and other regions will be
going into the hands of those who are most capable of maintaining the
Tangerine Tree's momentum. In order to have the best possible Tree
experience, not everyone who has a CD burner will be selected as a branch
leader. CD recorders are now commonplace--it is free time that is the rare
commodity.
If a potential branch feels like it would take more than 3 weeks to receive
their master discs and mail out the copies to their leaves, it is requested
that they sign up as a leaf. If a branch realizes that they have too many
leaves, they should notify me at which point, the leaves will be polled to
see if one of them would volunteer to become a branch. We heard a lot of
'oh, I couldn't get on the tree, I was told there wasn't anymore room.' This
is something I don't want to see repeated.
I will be preparing and releasing a flat diagram of the Tree so that kinks
can be worked out of the system before the first disc is mailed.
It has been reported that there was a breakdown in the SHN branch in the US.
This was caused by errors in the discs. It is vital that as soon as an SHN
branch receives their discs, they must perform a verification on all of the
discs within 1-2 days. If an error is found, replacements can be quickly
requested without throwing off the schedule too much.
In the case of Australia and several countries in Europe, postage into and
out of these countries is phenomenal. As a result, these countries will be
treated as special cases. One representative of each country will trade for
the master discs of Tree 2 and then spawn a sub-tree within that country.
Again, I have heard of several people who wanted to get in on the first Tree
but gave up when they realized they would have to trade with someone in
another country.
I have set up a database on the Yahoo tadream group page. It is completely
optional for branches and leaves to read/write/edit/participate in this
database! I am hearing confusion and concern about the database. All you
have to do is e-mail me your information and whether you want to request to
be a redbook (regular music CD) or shn (compressed CD) branch or leaf.
Remember, Tangerine Tree 2 is a more ambitious 15 discs if you are a redbook
branch, and likely 9-10 discs if you are an SHN branch. Branches, please
sign up for the number of leaves you feel you can reasonably support.
'The tree is all voluntary, by well-meaning people who may suddenly find out
they've bitten off more than they can chew.'
Here we are in June, and I would say 30% of Tree #1 still have not received
their discs.
Maybe we should give out prizes to the fastest branches. :)
Joe, Morgan and Mark
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
I see the CD re-issue in shops here and there (the one with the
model on the cover, not the one with the vertical red stripes).
And should you enounter the 'Sol et Luna' bootleg (a.k.a. Mystery
Tracks II), Heartbreakers in on there completely.
armin
>
>
> >
> > Eh!! 'Desire' is for me the only reason to be glad having spend the
> > money on that album.... (but we're used to radically different
> > options on TD matters)
>
> Thats true , one mans rubbish is another mans treasure . Thanks for the
> opinions , does anybody know if the album is still available ?
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
SUN Microsystems Ireland
'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:08
pm
Subject: Pictures form Berlin Open Air Saturday-Sunday from Rainer
Hi everybody!
If you want to see some pictures form the Berlin Open Air (Saturday,
Sunday) click onto my Td site.
www.rutka.de/td
This is the pre-version only. There will be more during the week.
Browse again in some days to see some more ad-ons.
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www.k-r.de
www.rutka.de
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers
Hi René-
Certainly! Participants listed in the TT2 database as 'DOWN' format means
they are downloading the SHN files on a broadband connection. I just went
into the database and changed your listing to 'DOWN'. You may also go in
and specify whether you are a leaf or branch, and if a branch, how many
leaves you will support.
also everyone please note: I imported all the records into TT2 because they
were in TT1, but that does not mean every person listed there will remain!
At some point, we will have to cull the list of participants that have not
responded or completed their TT2 entries. Please be sure yours is accurate.
Thanks,
Joe
TT2 database:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12
> -----Original Message-----
> From: René Brenner [mailto:fairway@g...]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:38 AM
> To: Joe Shoults
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree
> organizers
>
>
> Hey Joe
>
> One question: Is it possible to get the tree in shn via ftp
> on a very fast
> connection? the shn should be made directly from the master discs.
>
> Greetings
> René
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 06:58:21 -0400, Joe Shoults wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Tangerine Tree 2. It's being met with much salivation and
> excitement.
> > Indeed, the music and sound quality, and the thought that
> went into the
> > artwork and preparation of the first Tangerine Tree can
> hardly be argued.
> > Sources are being found and remastering techniques used
> that simply have not
> > been tried on this scale before. If there is concern for
> the second Tree,
> > it's over one issue, distribution. What will happen when
> the first sets of
> > discs get into the branch leader's hands? Well, with candid
> advice (and
> > criticism) from list members, and much-improved
> organization, I can assure
> > you the next Tree will be 10 times better.
>
> ...
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers
Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP:
To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be required to
supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally 'let you in'.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:39 AM
> To: 'René Brenner'
> Cc: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree
> organi zers
>
>
> Hi René-
>
> Certainly! Participants listed in the TT2 database as 'DOWN'
> format means
> they are downloading the SHN files on a broadband connection.
> I just went
> into the database and changed your listing to 'DOWN'. You
> may also go in
> and specify whether you are a leaf or branch, and if a
> branch, how many
> leaves you will support.
>
> also everyone please note: I imported all the records into
> TT2 because they
> were in TT1, but that does not mean every person listed there
> will remain!
> At some point, we will have to cull the list of participants
> that have not
> responded or completed their TT2 entries. Please be sure
> yours is accurate
>
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers
Desire happens to be one of my favorite of all TD tracks and Twilight
Painter one of my least. Which doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong; just
that it's wonderful how TD can appeal to many different tastes.
I would say, however, that the rest of the album caters to the more melodic
direction of Desire, but I would hate that you might forego hearing the rest
of it because of that. If you can still find the album, buy it; if you
really don't like it, I'm sure there's another TD fan that will be happy to
purchase/trade for it. 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
NP: Kelvin Hall '74
>From: 'Paul Lawler'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers
>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:31:25 +0100
>
>I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts
>from
>'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the
>film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one
>dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same
>vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire'
>
>thanks
>
>Paul
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:13
pm
Subject: Bianca Acquaye (Inferno singer and artist (cover)). More infos by Rainer
Hi (again)
I add two of the paintings Bianca Acquaye was selling at the concert
in Berlin on Saturday to my homepage. Both are wonderfull!
Check it out. Great collectors items.
If you want to see more (or buy!!!) some of her art, check out her
webpage at: www.acquaye.de
Rainer
PS:
Yes its spam. But it is in relation to TD. Bianca is one of the singers
onto the Inferno CD (and live concerts) and she made the cover artwork,
too.
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: HEARTBREAKERS' 'Desire'
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:54:28 -0400 'Adele Outland'
writes:
>Desire happens to be one of my favorite of all TD tracks and Twilight
>Painter one of my least.
'Desire' is one of my top faves, too, but I certainly don't dislike
'Twilight Painter.'
Stephe Feldman, androgyne
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:01
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #273
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #273 June 13, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates
ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The
Featured CD at midnight was 'Live,' the second disc from 'The Bluebox
Collection' on the Arya label.
The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland'
by Michael Hoenig on the Kuckuck label.
I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at
the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Details can be
seen on the Events page.
Amir Baghiri
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun
Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Michael Hoenig Hanging Garden Transfer Departure from the Northern
Wasteland (Kuckuck)
Ministry of Inside Patterns Live at the ICA (Synkronos)
Things
Giles Reaves with The Deep End The Deep End (Space for Music)
Ashid Himons
vidnaObmana and Joris Fusion The Oblique Fusion (prerelease
De Backer CDR)
12:00 am
Amir Baghiri Killing Time Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Last Heat Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Towards a Dream Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Alchemist Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Deep Fall Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Out of the Dark Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Shrouded Skies Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Nanyphobia Live (Arya)
Amir Baghiri In the Heart of Live (Arya)
Underworld
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Night,' the third disc from 'The Bluebox
Collection' on the Arya label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Catharsis Volume 6.'
The Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the Soundscapes Concert
Series on June 22, will play live on EMUSIC to whet your appetite for the
concert at the IceHouse.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM show on WMUH 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Email me before submiting music for airplay consideration. billfox@f...
Radio Station Home Pages: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:05
pm
Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #273
So Bill,
When is DIY going to get webcasting so we can listen to this show? I know
not everything can be webcast due to the RIAA's monopolistic control over
distribution made into law recently, but the things on your program could
be webcast, no?
Shoutcast server is free and very easy to set up on Windows. Anyone with
Winamp would then be able to tune in by pressing Ctrl-L and typing in your
address.
-Morgan
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Soundscapes Concert Series
The Ministry of Inside Things will perform their special brand of spacemusic at
the second installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series. The guest musician in
the lobby will be Tom Shaw performing relaxing ambient music before the main
concert. The concert will take place at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on
Sand Island, Saturday, June 22, at 8:00 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm for a free
buffet dinner provided by Chef Jeff. Those who attended Soundscapes #1 will
recall a memorable evening of great music and food. Soundscapes #2 promises to
be just as enjoyable, as well as being the only source of live spacemusic in the
Lehigh Valley (southeastern Pennsylvania). Admission at the door will be $15.
Full time Students with valid ID and members of WDIY and WMUH will receive a $5
discount. Advance tickets will be $10 (no discounts), and are available at
these fine outlets:
Compact Disc Center
1365 Easton Ave.
near Linden and Elizabeth in Bethlehem, Pa
610-868-3070
Speedy's Record Shop
1001 Union Blvd
east of Airport Rd. in Allentown, Pa
610-432-8386
The Ministry Of Inside Things, based in the Philadelphia area, consists of
electric guitarist Art Cohen and synthesist Chuck van Zyl. Considered among
the most innovative of electronic musicians in the U.S. today, the members of
MoIT are influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash
Ra Tempel. Their spacemusic has been described as linear because it leads the
listener across many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry Of
Inside Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme,
often for two hours at a stretch. Through the use of textures and atmospheres
as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an
internal sonic excursion.
Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music and performing in public for
over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best
known for hosting one of the country's most successful radio shows of electronic
music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Van Zyl has released two CDs of
spacemusic on the Centaur label, Celestial Mechanics and The Relic. The Sound
Museum with Peter Gulch and D. Andrew Rath was released on the Groove label in
2001. A collaborative effort with Peter Gulch, Regeneration Mode, was released
on their own Synkronos label.
Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and
in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the
space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create
soundworlds of immense depth and beauty.
The Ministry Of Inside Things has performed at Art & Technology, The
Philadelphia Museum of Art, First Night Wilmington, the Wild Talents opening
reception at the ICA, Gate To Moon Base Alpha, the Boyertown Planetarium,
Gathering Concert Series, on the 01.28.01 broadcast of STAR'S END, and on the
07.12.01 broadcast of EMUSIC. MoIT will performa another on-air concert on
EMUSIC this Thursday, June 20 to whet your appetite for the concert at the
IceHouse.
Soundscapes #2 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music.
Bill
INFORMATION:
-----------
Soundscapes
P.O. Box 632
Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632
610-746-9615
billfox@f...
http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
http://woodenshoemusic.com
The City of Bethlehem's IceHouse 0n Sand Island
56 River Street West
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:25
pm
Subject: [journey throug a burning..anthology]
looks like the new UK 'compilation' includes these tracks:
DISC 1 'OLD' (7 TRKS - GENESIS,FLY AND COLLISION,COLD SMOKE,SUPERNATURAL
.....,FAUNI GENA,SUNRISE IN THE THIRD SYSTEM,WAHN) DISC 2 'LIVE' (3 TRACKS -
POLAND,LIVES MILES 2 - Berlin concert, horizon)
source of track listing from promo listed here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=885037130
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:58
pm
Subject: Journey Through A Burning Brain compilation
Someone must be really bored to bring out compilation after compilation of
the same stuff we already have 2x over, and yet out-of-print items just get
harder and harder to get. Electronic Orgy might be a pirate, and I can see
why Edgar is cross over disc 4 (all the Miramar singles), but the best way
to beat the bootleggers is to remove the demand. Klaus Schulze, eat your
heart out. :)
I fixed up the snapshot from that eBay posting:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/journey.jpg
-Morgan
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:56
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers
ups.
Joe wrote:
>
> Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP:
> To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be
> required to
> supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally
> 'let you in'.
>
> Joe
>
Some of us (like me) have varying IP addresses (the address varies per
connect to internet).
Such a mechanism would restrict use to guys who got fixed IPs from their
ISPs.
Herbert
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers
not a problem
Most FTP software have a way to mask off a block of address to allow in. so
only the first 2 sets of numbers and so forth would be needed.
like 62.12.233.22, next time you dial up you get 62.12.233.56 etc.. the mask
would look like 62.12.233.xxx and so forth. A common set of IP is typically
used for each IP(Internet provider).
Have no fear, Under Dog is here.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Herbert'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:56 PM
Subject: AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi
zers
> ups.
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP:
> > To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be
> > required to
> > supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally
> > 'let you in'.
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
> Some of us (like me) have varying IP addresses (the address varies per
> connect to internet).
> Such a mechanism would restrict use to guys who got fixed IPs from their
> ISPs.
>
> Herbert
>
>
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From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 12:23
am
Subject: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS
version.
I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of
goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or
sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members,
etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts,
soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound
stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music
video, etc. Wild.
The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were
clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the
Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack.
Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and
soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased with
the set overall.
I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this package,
but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back, when
it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly
wait!
For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available.
I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be
great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what
footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past 30
years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend'
DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to
watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also comments
lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos,
etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who
were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these
rarities in one place for all time.
James Horecka
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
'Luminous Visions' DVD I had for several years now. I used it to test DVD's
with. I enjoyed it a lot and the interview with TD in the end.
I bet you will have a blast when you see how much better it looks that tape.
That is if you have s-video to the TV or even better a HDTV.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'James Horecka, AIA'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:23 PM
Subject: [tadream] 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
> Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS
> version.
>
> I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of
> goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or
> sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members,
> etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts,
> soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound
> stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music
> video, etc. Wild.
>
> The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were
> clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the
> Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack.
>
> Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and
> soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased
with
> the set overall.
>
> I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this
package,
> but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back,
when
> it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly
> wait!
>
> For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available.
>
> I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be
> great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what
> footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past
30
> years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend'
> DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to
> watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also
comments
> lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos,
> etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who
> were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these
> rarities in one place for all time.
>
> James Horecka
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'tangram12'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:43
am
Subject: Re: [journey throug a burning..anthology]
also the official release is billed as being a three disc
compilation, the guy selling the promo on ebay does not have the
full set.
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote:
> looks like the new UK 'compilation' includes these tracks:
>
> DISC 1 'OLD' (7 TRKS - GENESIS,FLY AND COLLISION,COLD
SMOKE,SUPERNATURAL
> .....,FAUNI GENA,SUNRISE IN THE THIRD SYSTEM,WAHN) DISC 2 'LIVE'
(3 TRACKS -
> POLAND,LIVES MILES 2 - Berlin concert, horizon)
>
> source of track listing from promo listed here:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=885037130
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1
I have a co-worker who heard me play Liquid Sound volume 1 compilation album
(which includes Star Sounds Orchestra) that I got at Okefenokee and wants to
buy a copy. Yes, buy; I will not burn it for her. I've tried amazon, groove,
and tower. Any other suggestions? Now that I've finally made a
convert/aficionado of electronic music, I sure would like to keep the
momentum going by finding this album for her. Thanks! 8-) Dell
All IMO of course.
NP: Orbital Decay: thanks Bill, I like this one a lot
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1
as it should be
the journey starts with a single step
;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Adele Outland'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1
> I have a co-worker who heard me play Liquid Sound volume 1 compilation
album
> (which includes Star Sounds Orchestra) that I got at Okefenokee and wants
to
> buy a copy. Yes, buy; I will not burn it for her. I've tried amazon,
groove,
> and tower. Any other suggestions? Now that I've finally made a
> convert/aficionado of electronic music, I sure would like to keep the
> momentum going by finding this album for her. Thanks! 8-) Dell
>
> All IMO of course.
> NP: Orbital Decay: thanks Bill, I like this one a lot
>
>
> As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1
hope this helps
http://www.novamd.de/NovaMedia_demo/ChillOut/liquidsound1_english.html
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: 'Collected Endings'
Hi All!
Would someone who has 'Collected Endings' please contact me. I'd
especially like to hear from someone who has it, and who does sound
editing.
Thanks very much. -- Mark
From:
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Pictures add from the Berlin event 15.06.2002
Hello Guys,
I add some pictures from The TD Concert 15.06.2002 at the Museumsinsel-Festival
on my Homepage:
www.opticaldream.de/dream/Berlin2002.htm
Enjoy the pictures!!!
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
'dreamsector'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:29
pm
Subject: Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
James... does the Luminous Visions dvd include a separate cd of just
the soundtrack?
How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract
color imagery?
Just wondering whether I should pick this up if I come across it. I
have a cd promo version of the music that I picked up at a used
'record' store.
--- In tadream@y..., 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote:
> Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS
> version.
>
> I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of
> goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or
> sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members,
> etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts,
> soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound
> stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music
> video, etc. Wild.
>
> The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were
> clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the
> Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack.
>
> Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and
> soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased with
> the set overall.
>
> I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this package,
> but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back, when
> it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly
> wait!
>
> For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available.
>
> I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be
> great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what
> footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past 30
> years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend'
> DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to
> watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also comments
> lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos,
> etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who
> were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these
> rarities in one place for all time.
>
> James Horecka
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
my 2 cents in
the dvd I have does not have a cd. only dvd and the images are very well
done especially considering the time it was made. I would consider it a must
have if you are into TD items with some imagery.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'dreamsector'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
> James... does the Luminous Visions dvd include a separate cd of just
> the soundtrack?
>
> How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract
> color imagery?
>
> Just wondering whether I should pick this up if I come across it. I
> have a cd promo version of the music that I picked up at a used
> 'record' store.
>
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote:
> > Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS
> > version.
> >
> > I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of
> > goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or
> > sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members,
> > etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts,
> > soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound
> > stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry
music
> > video, etc. Wild.
> >
> > The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were
> > clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features
the
> > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack.
> >
> > Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and
> > soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased
with
> > the set overall.
> >
> > I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this
package,
> > but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back,
when
> > it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can
hardly
> > wait!
> >
> > For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available.
> >
> > I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be
> > great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what
> > footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past
30
> > years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the
'Legend'
> > DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting
to
> > watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also
comments
> > lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments,
photos,
> > etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people
who
> > were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these
> > rarities in one place for all time.
> >
> > James Horecka
>
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:04
pm
Subject: 'Luminous Visions' DVD vs. 'Planetary Traveller' DVD
I don't have Infinity's Child, but I assume it is similar to Planetary
Traveller. I have Luminous Visions and Planetary Traveller. They are both
in 'Mind's Eye' genre, but have evolved in different directions.
Planetary Traveller actually attempts to tell a story of sorts, and has some
consistency. Also, it is obvious that the music was written SPECIFICALLY
for the images.
Luminous Visions is closer to the style of early music/cgi videos, having
several shorter segments with no attempt to tie them together. Also, the
graphics are timed well with the music, but it is obvious there was no
special effort put forth on the music side. All the music is previously
released, and where the original piece is longer than the animation, the
music just fades off, not always at good breaking points. If a little
effort had been put forth to create edits of the required length it would
have sounded better.
Still, the whole is enjoyable, and most people that visit my house (non-TD
folks mostly) prefer Luminous over Planetary, because the music is more
upbeat and the shorter segments match people's attention span better. The
visuals are much more abstract than anything in PT.
I personally prefer PT though, if for no other reason than I'm a sci-fi NUT,
and this is a sci-fi story (in pictures). I absolutely LOVE the music as
well. Haslinger borrows heavily from Franke's B5 style (Franke and Berlin
Symphonic Film Orchestra both appear in the credits), but takes a hard-edged
departure that has definite hints of 'World Without Rules'. Also to be
heard is some excellent guitar in the style of Paul Speer (who also gets a
nod in the credits). I'd like to see a Speer/Haslinger collaboration
sometime.
(or a real Franke/Haslinger collaboration for that matter...)
James
(the other James)
-----Original Message-----
From: 'dreamsector'
> How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract
> color imagery?
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:34
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
my 2 cents too:
- i own the 'luminous visions' (including the cd)
and think it's worth buying to:
- complete your collection
- see some 3d graphics that are several yours old.
todays i would expect such graphics by the best of the freeware 3d
screensavers
keeping in mind the age of the video it is okay
talking about DVDs with TD music (music dvds):
- the worst (only my personal opinion) is 'video dream mixes'
i think i've payed for a quite poor holiday video of the froese family
with false (altered) colors
- i would consider/select 'what a blast' as the best one i have
(maybe i'm a pyro in mind :)) )
- 2nd choice would be OASIS
(only my personal opinions)
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juni 2002 23:33
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
>
>
> my 2 cents in
> the dvd I have does not have a cd. only dvd and the images
> are very well
> done especially considering the time it was made. I would
> consider it a must
> have if you are into TD items with some imagery.
>
> dale
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'dreamsector'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:29 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
>
>
> > James... does the Luminous Visions dvd include a separate cd of just
> > the soundtrack?
> >
> > How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract
> > color imagery?
> >
> > Just wondering whether I should pick this up if I come across it. I
> > have a cd promo version of the music that I picked up at a used
> > 'record' store.
> >
> >
> > --- In tadream@y..., 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote:
> > > Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day.
> Supercedes my VHS
> > > version.
> > >
> > > I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US
> release, with lots of
> > > goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it
> plays (no dialog or
> > > sound effects). Interviews with production team,
> director, cast members,
> > > etc., including opinions about what happened with the
> different cuts,
> > > soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that
> destroyed the sound
> > > stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos,
> Brian Ferry
> music
> > > video, etc. Wild.
> > >
> > > The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some
> scenes that were
> > > clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This
> release features
> the
> > > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack.
> > >
> > > Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the
> different cut and
> > > soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am
> pretty pleased
> with
> > > the set overall.
> > >
> > > I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to
> open up this
> package,
> > > but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a
> couple years back,
> when
> > > it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many
> ways. I can
> hardly
> > > wait!
> > >
> > > For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now
> available.
> > >
> > > I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD
> some day. It'd be
> > > great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put
> together what
> > > footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions,
> etc. from the past
> 30
> > > years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the
> 'Legend'
> > > DVD, there was a lot of good background information.
> Pretty interesting
> to
> > > watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there
> were also
> comments
> > > lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments,
> photos,
> > > etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those
> fine people
> who
> > > were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get
> some of these
> > > rarities in one place for all time.
> > >
> > > James Horecka
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: EMUSIC Playlist #273
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> When is DIY going to get webcasting so we can listen to this show? I know
> not everything can be webcast due to the RIAA's monopolistic control over
> distribution made into law recently, but the things on your program could
> be webcast, no?
>
> Shoutcast server is free and very easy to set up on Windows. Anyone with
> Winamp would then be able to tune in by pressing Ctrl-L and typing in your
> address.
Hi Morgan,
That issue is being worked. But it takes money which is in tight supply at our
little, member supported radio station. Care to make a donation? (Secure
pledging at http://wdiyfm.org works just fine!) Thank you for your interest in
EMUSIC.
Cheers,
Bill
Next year in Mojave!!!
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 4:13
pm
Subject: OT: Record industry now wants royalties on USED CDs!
http://news.dmusic.com/article/4942
This is getting really sad.
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From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:29
pm
Subject: RE: TD Luminous Visions DVD, etc.
Note that I have EDITED DOWN!! (Sheesh)
First off: The 'Luminous Visions' DVD I have came with the free
soundtrack-only CD, just as the video set did some years back.
The CGI is outstanding (for its time, especially). Some of it is really
mind-bending and weird.
I don't know anything about 'Infinity's Child.' Can't comment on that.
I have 'Planetary Traveler.' That's pretty good.
I agree with Herbert's assessment in general.
There is no doubt that the 'What a Blast' video tops my list. Fun to watch,
and the music is, I think, very well matched to the scenes, topic and
themes. Everyone who's seen it at my place has been glued to the tube,
enjoying both the video and the tunes. Well done.
The videos 'Oasis' and 'Canyon Dreams' are also favorites. These don't hold
the audience like WaB, but still good. Gorgeous photography in both. Music
good in both, seems fairly well coordinated.
'What a Blast' is a must-have. Get the whole 'boxed set' of demolition
videos if you can (the others, though, are regular demolition videos, the
kind you see on the Discovery Channel or whatever; no TD ST).
I'm still forming an opinion on the TD vs JG STs on 'Legend.' After seeing
the Director's Cut once through, I'd say I'm leaning to the JG side. Seems
more fitting and appropriate. However, if it's true that TD only had two or
three weeks to put together their ST, well I'd say that's pretty dang
amazing.
I've long been a fan of Christopher Franke's soundtrack work. His original
B-5 ST is what got me turned on to him, and then to TD. I think his ST work
for B-5 is outstanding all around.
Sometimes TD's ST work seems really thrown together. Nowhere is this more
apparent, IMHO, than in 'Wavelength.' I don't know what the hell was going
on there. Man, is it ever cut up. And I don't know which came first, the
songs or the clips, 'cause I haven't sat down to figure it out (nor will I).
Listening to the ST on the video or on the CD, you'll hear several familiar
tunes, sorta 'excerpted.' The question in my mind is whether these were the
'seeds' of future songs, or whether they were 'clips' from existing songs,
or a combination of both. In any event, 'Bleah!'
Again, I am just a User, man. I don't know a thing about music. So my
opinion has little or no value, and I fully acknowledge that.
James Horecka
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'Herbert'
Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] RE: TD Luminous Visions DVD, etc.
> There is no doubt that the 'What a Blast' video tops my list.
> Fun to watch,
> and the music is, I think, very well matched to the scenes, topic and
> themes. Everyone who's seen it at my place has been glued to the tube,
> enjoying both the video and the tunes. Well done.
>
To Europeans and others Non-Americans:
Although mailorder companies like CDNOW state the 'what a blast' DVD would
have region code 1,
my player plays it fine (my player isn't region code free).
Therefore i assume it is region code 0. They seem to list region code 1 for
all their DVDs just preventive.
Herbert
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 8:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Record industry now wants royalties on USED CDs!
It ain't nerver going to happen.
Because the used stores have the same bookeepers as
Enron.
Wade
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From:
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Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:03
pm
Subject: Luminous, P.T. and Infinity
The imagery on Infinity's Child starts off where P.T. left off and then becomes
more abstract. A lot of animation of textures, going inside of volumetric
objects, etc. The music is good too, I think.
What's fun about the DVD is that it includes a demo copy of Bryce along with
several scene files.
<<>>
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Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:40
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Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Record industry now wants royalties on USED CDs!
Greedy fuckin bastards, is what they are!
Wade Gordon wrote:
> It ain't nerver going to happen.
>
> Because the used stores have the same bookeepers as
> Enron.
>
> Wade
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD
Checked my stack of CD's. I pulled the sound track CD out. So yes the DVD
does have a CD sound track with it.
I still say it is worth the buy.
Dale
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:56
am
Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th
Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting:
An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music
Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater.
Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95
Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first
solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th, 7:00PM.
Opening the concert will be Portland's own accomplished longtime electronic
artist Paul Ellis who's dynamic and melodic sounds heard on his most recent
'Into the Liquid Unknown' (Hypnos/Binary) which has brought accolades
worldwide and
placed in several top twenty essential release lists of 2001.
Both artists work in a solo setting building from myriad of instruments.
Roach is well known for the his magical concerts that feature an
organic-electronic blending from didgeridoos to digital synthesizers along
with extensive sound processing in the moment. As one of the few
electronic-based artists performing live consistently for over 20 years,
Roach's engagements have taken him from concert halls in the United States,
Canada, and Europe, to lava caves in the Canary Islands and volcanic craters
in Mexico. These exotic settings have helped him further shape his art form,
a sonic vision that thrives in a sphere beyond categories, national
boundaries, cultural barriers, and quite often, time itself.
Paul Ellis has been recording and releasing music in both solo and group
settings for a dozen years and was a founding member of Dweller at the
Threshold, an electronic trio who tapped into the roots of European E
lectronic music. His solo sound has evolved into an artful combination of
intriguing sound creation, highly crafted melodic forms and interwoven
rhythmic patterns. This rare concert at the Aladdin will offer an exciting
look into the live sound worlds of these 2 diverse electronic artists. It's
the music born of imagination, rich in its ability to conjure visual imagery
and inspire the creative mind.
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th
This sounds like a great concert in prospect, as both artists rate highly
with me. Is a recording planned?
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: [tadream] Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June
29th
> Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting:
> An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music
> Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater.
> Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95
>
> Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first
> solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th,
7:00PM.
>
>
> Opening the concert will be Portland's own accomplished longtime
electronic
> artist Paul Ellis who's dynamic and melodic sounds heard on his most
recent
> 'Into the Liquid Unknown' (Hypnos/Binary) which has brought accolades
> worldwide and
> placed in several top twenty essential release lists of 2001.
>
> Both artists work in a solo setting building from myriad of instruments.
> Roach is well known for the his magical concerts that feature an
> organic-electronic blending from didgeridoos to digital synthesizers along
> with extensive sound processing in the moment. As one of the few
> electronic-based artists performing live consistently for over 20 years,
> Roach's engagements have taken him from concert halls in the United
States,
> Canada, and Europe, to lava caves in the Canary Islands and volcanic
craters
> in Mexico. These exotic settings have helped him further shape his art
form,
> a sonic vision that thrives in a sphere beyond categories, national
> boundaries, cultural barriers, and quite often, time itself.
>
> Paul Ellis has been recording and releasing music in both solo and group
> settings for a dozen years and was a founding member of Dweller at the
> Threshold, an electronic trio who tapped into the roots of European E
> lectronic music. His solo sound has evolved into an artful combination of
> intriguing sound creation, highly crafted melodic forms and interwoven
> rhythmic patterns. This rare concert at the Aladdin will offer an exciting
> look into the live sound worlds of these 2 diverse electronic artists.
It's
> the music born of imagination, rich in its ability to conjure visual
imagery
> and inspire the creative mind.
>
>
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:39
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th
In a message dated 6/20/02 12:25:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
johnm@p... writes:
<< This sounds like a great concert in prospect, as both artists rate highly
with me. Is a recording planned?
>>
*Thanks and yeah, it'll be recorded... I'll let the list know what happens
w/it.
BTW the self concious side of me wants to point out that I didn't write that
press release... I'd be too embarrased to describe my music that way.
Thanks for all the nice comments people!...
Peace
Poly
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 1:50
pm
Subject: Kamikaze 1989 on TV
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: live e.m.
Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to
be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some sort
of e.m. community!
Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA...
Maybe it's time to move!!!
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:23
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Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m.
who are your promoters? What clubs do you have? The what type of music are
they a catering too?
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: [tadream] live e.m.
> Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There
have to be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert
or some sort of e.m. community!
>
> Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA...
>
> Maybe it's time to move!!!
>
>
> << Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:56:38 EDT
> From: Synthhtnys@a...
> Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th
>
> Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting:
> An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music
> Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater.
> Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95
>
> Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his
first
> solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th,
7:00PM.>>>
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From:
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:50
pm
Subject: tyranny of beauty
hi
does anyone have a copy of tyranny of beauty on Miramar 09006-23046 for sale or
trade, i thought i had this in my collection but it is a Columbian Record Club
edition.
please let me know
Thank You.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tyranny of beauty
I might have two of these. If I remember right, they also have two different
covers as well. I will try to remember this when I get home today to check.
I also have a few CD's of Logos too.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'duncan mckee'
To: 'tangerinedream' ;
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: [tadream] tyranny of beauty
> hi
> does anyone have a copy of tyranny of beauty on Miramar 09006-23046 for
sale or trade, i thought i had this in my collection but it is a Columbian
Record Club edition.
> please let me know
>
> Thank You.
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> tangram@t...
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:05
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Subject: Re: [tadream] tyranny of beauty
Yikes!!! I just got rid of two of them.
But, it is easily tracked down.
Wade
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> also have two different
> covers as well. I will try to remember this when I
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> I also have a few CD's of Logos too.
>
> dale
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> To: 'tangerinedream'
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> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: [tadream] tyranny of beauty
>
>
> > hi
> > does anyone have a copy of tyranny of beauty on
> Miramar 09006-23046 for
> sale or trade, i thought i had this in my collection
> but it is a Columbian
> Record Club edition.
> > please let me know
> >
> > Thank You.
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From:
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers
no- that's good on-list info. a lot of TT people are signing up to be
DOWNloaders, so this is pertinent.
the people running the ftp servers will determine their own guidelines with
their trade recipients, although we will be helping each other. (I'm going
to try to learn how to set up ftp from my home too)
As I understand it, although your specific IP changes periodically (my cab;e
connection does), it will still be part of a block of IP numbers specific to
your ISP. The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic
programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) but
leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to
do this.
HTH,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Herbert [mailto:gae@g...]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:56 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree
> organi zers
>
>
> ups.
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP:
> > To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be
> > required to
> > supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally
> > 'let you in'.
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
> Some of us (like me) have varying IP addresses (the address varies per
> connect to internet).
> Such a mechanism would restrict use to guys who got fixed IPs
> from their
> ISPs.
>
> Herbert
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:17
pm
Subject: TD Tree #2 Downloading
>The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic
>programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) but
>leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to
>do this.
I use something called a login and password to do this.
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
works sometimes
seems my little attackers use back doors and other nifty things to probe and
enter... hence why I only allow certain IP now for those I wish.
Another side effect is being able to control the bandwidth a bit better. One
knows who and when to expect on the server.
If the login/pw is working for you, that is great. I just got some other
folks messing around a bi tmore than I care. I am not ready to toss the
static address I have and redo a server farm yet with new address plus the
paper work that goes with that.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:17 PM
Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
> >The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic
> >programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer)
but
> >leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to
> >do this.
>
> I use something called a login and password to do this.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
Sounds complicated, what is a password and is it compatible with
Windows?
-----Original Message-----
From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
Sent: 20 June 2002 21:17
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic
>programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer)
but
>leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall'
to
>do this.
I use something called a login and password to do this.
-Morgan
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
Haha :-)
Well said!
a Mac user
on 20/06/02 22:43, Matthew Stringer at qube@f... wrote:
> Sounds complicated, what is a password and is it compatible with
> Windows?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> Sent: 20 June 2002 21:17
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
>
>> The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic
>> programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer)
> but
>> leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall'
> to
>> do this.
>
> I use something called a login and password to do this.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:24
pm
Subject: anyone in myrtle beach?
I'll be in Myrtle Beach from June 2 - July 1. anyone local there? glad to
toss a brew or two down with you if so.
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
Having a firewall, is to some degree a false security......................it
stops the unexperienced 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to
enter your computer.
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> works sometimes
> seems my little attackers use back doors and other nifty things to probe and
> enter... hence why I only allow certain IP now for those I wish.
> Another side effect is being able to control the bandwidth a bit better. One
> knows who and when to expect on the server.
> If the login/pw is working for you, that is great. I just got some other
> folks messing around a bi tmore than I care. I am not ready to toss the
> static address I have and redo a server farm yet with new address plus the
> paper work that goes with that.
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:17 PM
> Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
>
> >
> > >The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic
> > >programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer)
> but
> > >leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to
> > >do this.
> >
> > I use something called a login and password to do this.
> >
> > -Morgan
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:49
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to
the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only interesting
stuff they can get through WinMX.
I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I
established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I was
getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's
still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian sniffers
I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's
not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
J
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
>
> Having a firewall, is to some degree a false
> security......................it stops the unexperienced
> 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter
> your computer.
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:47
pm
Subject: AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
Joe said:
> I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and
> as soon as I
> established the connection, my firewall lit up like a
> christmas tree. I was
> getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but
> I'm sure it's
> still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using
> pedestrian sniffers
> I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my
> firewall. (that's
> not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
>
>
it's just the white noise on the internet.
poor, homeless data packets, yearning for some warm and fuzzy storage to
feel comfortable, beeing left alone in the cold and the dark of the net by a
cold-hearted firewall.
yes. that's the pure truth and nothing besides it. :)))
Herbert
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:55
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
cool not to have anything there.. but I use my systems esp. for music and I
like them to work when I ask them too.
Hence why I am putting together just a system for FTP use.
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to
> the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only
interesting
> stuff they can get through WinMX.
>
> I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I
> established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I
was
> getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's
> still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian
sniffers
> I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's
> not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
>
> J
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> >
> >
> > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false
> > security......................it stops the unexperienced
> > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter
> > your computer.
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:57
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
and the wee people are behind them their packets....
looking for a cozy home beside the hearth
r.r.r.r.rrrrr me patch on me bad eye itches ponding these thoughts.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Herbert'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> Joe said:
> > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and
> > as soon as I
> > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a
> > christmas tree. I was
> > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but
> > I'm sure it's
> > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using
> > pedestrian sniffers
> > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my
> > firewall. (that's
> > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
> >
> >
> it's just the white noise on the internet.
>
> poor, homeless data packets, yearning for some warm and fuzzy storage to
> feel comfortable, beeing left alone in the cold and the dark of the net by
a
> cold-hearted firewall.
>
> yes. that's the pure truth and nothing besides it. :)))
>
> Herbert
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:03
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
I am sorry if I sounded negative to having a firewall. that was not my
intention. I have one myself. But I was recently made aware of the big holes in
a firewall, by a friend.
Hehe.....I wouldn't know how to hack your computer anyway...............OOohhh,
by the way I removed the 4 XXX-movies on your HD............=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:49 PM
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to
> the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only interesting
> stuff they can get through WinMX.
>
> I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I
> established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I was
> getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's
> still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian sniffers
> I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's
> not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
>
> J
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> >
> >
> > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false
> > security......................it stops the unexperienced
> > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter
> > your computer.
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:05
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
UUUuuuhhhhhh.....You big scawy piwat..............hehehehehehehe
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> and the wee people are behind them their packets....
> looking for a cozy home beside the hearth
>
> r.r.r.r.rrrrr me patch on me bad eye itches ponding these thoughts.
>
> dale
>
>
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Herbert'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:47 PM
> Subject: AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
>
> > Joe said:
> > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and
> > > as soon as I
> > > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a
> > > christmas tree. I was
> > > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> > > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but
> > > I'm sure it's
> > > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using
> > > pedestrian sniffers
> > > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my
> > > firewall. (that's
> > > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > it's just the white noise on the internet.
> >
> > poor, homeless data packets, yearning for some warm and fuzzy storage to
> > feel comfortable, beeing left alone in the cold and the dark of the net by
> a
> > cold-hearted firewall.
> >
> > yes. that's the pure truth and nothing besides it. :)))
> >
> > Herbert
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:23
am
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
It depends on how you've set everything up as to how secure it is.
I use a Linux box with IPTables as a firewall, there is no way you're
getting through it unless I want you to.
Matt
If you want to set up a secure FTP server then Linux or BSD are your best
bets free and very secure.
Microsoft is good but the whole open-source world targets their hackers at
it and when they find something they tell everyone about it.
Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a desktop.
just my $0.02
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> I am sorry if I sounded negative to having a firewall. that was not my
intention. I have one myself. But I was recently made aware of the big holes
in a firewall, by a friend.
>
> Hehe.....I wouldn't know how to hack your computer
anyway...............OOohhh, by the way I removed the 4 XXX-movies on your
HD............=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:49 PM
> Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
>
> > you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer
to
> > the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only
interesting
> > stuff they can get through WinMX.
> >
> > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as
I
> > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I
was
> > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's
> > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian
sniffers
> > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall.
(that's
> > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM
> > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> > >
> > >
> > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false
> > > security......................it stops the unexperienced
> > > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter
> > > your computer.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
From:
'Bruce A. Crichton'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:14
pm
Subject: Soundmill Navigator
Is this album any good?
It's upposed to be from 1976.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: FW: Tangerine Tree #2
oops - meant to cc: the list.
> excellent! thank you; that's exactly what is intended by having it at
> yahoogroups. i'm checking you messages against the database
> anyway, and
> when we 'close' the preliminary signup and begin assigning
> branches, I'll
> lock down the database, and from that point, only moderators will make
> changes. but this works great for people to get in to the tree.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: deibu1972 [mailto:deibu@i...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:36 PM
> > To: jshoults@f...
> > Subject: Tangerine Tree #2
> >
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > For some reason, I'm not receiving messages from the list
> lately. I
> > checked my status and it looks like I should be getting them, but
> > whatever.
> >
> > Anyway, I went into the database and added an entry for myself since
> > I
> > wanted to participate. I hope this is okay. If I was too late or
> > did
> > it incorrectly, just let me know. Thank you.
> >
> > Dave B.
> >
>
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
Its a concert from '76 but released last year (I think).
However, its highly 'tangentized' (i.e. the Froeses played a bit
along while remixing), and has a really annoying bug on it (soundin
like a radial scratch on a vinyl)
a.
>
> Is this album any good?
>
> It's upposed to be from 1976.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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SUN Microsystems Ireland
'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
a man after my heart...
But I learned not to be so harsh about Mac's. (Psst.. Don't tell anyone but
I really really hate them, I just don't mention them to avoid the chatter
about them afterward, they do have their uses other the catfish weight I
normally use them for).
The very thought of Open Source leads one to peek and poke thru the code to
find that little backdoor and special issue where one can get in. I deal
with Linux and other stuff on a personal level, never business or critical.
I have been having a hard time with Linux and music software. I find I no
longer have the time to spend on a hobby OS like Linux, to use it for the
things I do musically. Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to experimenting
with different OS's, I just no longer have that time to spend getting it all
to work then remembering what the heck I did later on when it is time to
redo or compile another program I want to use.
I leave you with this thought.
Every Lock has a Key. That key might not be exactly what was intended to
open the lock.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> It depends on how you've set everything up as to how secure it is.
>
> I use a Linux box with IPTables as a firewall, there is no way you're
> getting through it unless I want you to.
>
> Matt
>
> If you want to set up a secure FTP server then Linux or BSD are your best
> bets free and very secure.
>
> Microsoft is good but the whole open-source world targets their hackers at
> it and when they find something they tell everyone about it.
>
> Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a desktop.
>
> just my $0.02
>
> Matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'PERGAMON'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
>
>
> > I am sorry if I sounded negative to having a firewall. that was not my
> intention. I have one myself. But I was recently made aware of the big
holes
> in a firewall, by a friend.
> >
> > Hehe.....I wouldn't know how to hack your computer
> anyway...............OOohhh, by the way I removed the 4 XXX-movies on your
> HD............=O)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Joe Shoults'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:49 PM
> > Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> >
> >
> > > you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer
> to
> > > the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only
> interesting
> > > stuff they can get through WinMX.
> > >
> > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon
as
> I
> > > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree.
I
> was
> > > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification
> > > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure
it's
> > > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian
> sniffers
> > > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall.
> (that's
> > > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-)
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM
> > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false
> > > > security......................it stops the unexperienced
> > > > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter
> > > > your computer.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers
hi cristian- we will contact all DOWN recipients when the time comes with
the appropriate instructions and contact info.
Thanks,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Villazón
Hello,
where do we have to specify the IP?
Thanks
Christian
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: RE: new tree member
Hi Heiko and Volker!
Volker was already in there, but with a different e-mail address. I changed
it, but you can also add and change records yourself at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
you can either 'Add Record' to add someone to the tree, or click 'Edit' to
change current settings for a record that already exists.
I'm cc:ing the list as an FYI. please note that the databses on tadream.net
are NOT the updated ones, and I'll fix that when I get back.
thanks
,joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Heiko Heerssen
To: Joe Shoults
Sent: 6/21/02 1:12 AM
Subject: new tree member
> Hello Joe!
> could you please do me a favour by adding the following person to your
> Tree database:
>
> Name: Volker Hirsch
> Country: Germany
> email: volker.hirsch@a...
> Position: leaf
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:56
pm
Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator
>From: 'Bruce A. Crichton'
>Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:14 pm
>Subject: Soundmill Navigator
>
>
>Is this album any good?
>
>It's upposed to be from 1976.
It is a very poor quality copy of the 1976.06.27 Philharmonic, Berlin concert.
Also, be aware that Edgar drowns out the original concert music several
times with new 2000 sounds played on top of it. The result is a dischordant
mess. Also, ~10 minutes of new solo ambient type music have been added to
it. The actual concert was 30 minutes; Soundmill is 40 minutes long.
Sorry to say, the tape recording from the FM radio broadcast (available on
the Tangerine Tree, an unofficial set of concerts), sounds better.
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> The very thought of Open Source leads one to peek and poke thru the code
to
> find that little backdoor and special issue where one can get in. I deal
> with Linux and other stuff on a personal level, never business or
critical.
A common misconception!
The fact that it's open source makes it more secure because rather than only
being debugged by Redmond it's being debugged by the whole world.
Why do you think there are about 10000 hacks, worms and viruses for
Microsoft OS'es but none for Unix based systems.
Open source software is used a lot more often in security aware companies
than not.
I would agree though that on the Desktop the software available for Linux is
far, far behind.
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
going off list for this response
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading
> > The very thought of Open Source leads one to peek and poke thru the code
> to
> > find that little backdoor and special issue where one can get in. I deal
> > with Linux and other stuff on a personal level, never business or
> critical.
>
>
> A common misconception!
>
> The fact that it's open source makes it more secure because rather than
only
> being debugged by Redmond it's being debugged by the whole world.
>
> Why do you think there are about 10000 hacks, worms and viruses for
> Microsoft OS'es but none for Unix based systems.
>
> Open source software is used a lot more often in security aware companies
> than not.
>
> I would agree though that on the Desktop the software available for Linux
is
> far, far behind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: [tree] TT status report
hi folks.
sorry for the redundant messages; I'm trying to clean out, inform and update
as much as I can before I'm gone for 10 days. I'll probably not have access
to e-mail, and have in fact, switched all my mail from yahoogroups to 'off'.
TT1 is incomplete and needs maintenance. There are incomplete trades, some
unresponsive participants and such, and I will assist in resolving these
issues. I will do this when I get back. We are already taking steps to
ensure a better outcome for TT2.
Please note that TT2 is completely independent of TT1. You might have
different suppliers and leaves. Your prior trades, incomplete or complete,
will have nothing to do with TT2 assignments.
TT2 is updated with new participants and all your messages that I've
received. If you want to make changes to your status, please do so at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database.
TT2 BRANCHES: please be realistic about your ability to branch. I'm
certainly not discouraging you from branching (quite the opposite!), but we
UNDERSTAND that sometimes people bite off more than they can chew.
Thanks!
Joe
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >From: 'Bruce A. Crichton'
> >Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:14 pm
> >Subject: Soundmill Navigator
> >
> >
> >Is this album any good?
> >
> >It's upposed to be from 1976.
>
> It is a very poor quality copy of the 1976.06.27 Philharmonic, Berlin
> concert.
>
> Also, be aware that Edgar drowns out the original concert music
> several times with new 2000 sounds played on top of it. The result
> is a dischordant mess. Also, ~10 minutes of new solo ambient type
> music have been added to it. The actual concert was 30 minutes;
> Soundmill is 40 minutes long.
... I'm with you on this one, Morgan. But it's worse. Edgar cut
off the first 5 minutes (we're down to 25 minutes of actual concert),
added his 13 minutes (actually) of aimless noodling, then speeded up the
real show so that it ends 3 minutes earlier (we're down to 22 minutes of
actual concert), and finally added another 5 minutes of his noodling to
finish it off.
> Sorry to say, the tape recording from the FM radio broadcast
> (available on the Tangerine Tree, an unofficial set of concerts),
> sounds better.
Much better. Tangerine Tree Volume 8. Get it and get serious.
Q: Does anyone else think that TT Vol.8 sounds a little bright?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] TT status report
Gone for two weeks right?
Will you be taking a laptop with ye?
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: [tadream] [tree] TT status report
> hi folks.
> sorry for the redundant messages; I'm trying to clean out, inform and
update
> as much as I can before I'm gone for 10 days. I'll probably not have
access
> to e-mail, and have in fact, switched all my mail from yahoogroups to
'off'.
>
>
> TT1 is incomplete and needs maintenance. There are incomplete trades,
some
> unresponsive participants and such, and I will assist in resolving these
> issues. I will do this when I get back. We are already taking steps to
> ensure a better outcome for TT2.
>
> Please note that TT2 is completely independent of TT1. You might have
> different suppliers and leaves. Your prior trades, incomplete or
complete,
> will have nothing to do with TT2 assignments.
>
> TT2 is updated with new participants and all your messages that I've
> received. If you want to make changes to your status, please do so at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database.
>
> TT2 BRANCHES: please be realistic about your ability to branch. I'm
> certainly not discouraging you from branching (quite the opposite!), but
we
> UNDERSTAND that sometimes people bite off more than they can chew.
>
> Thanks!
> Joe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: [tree] non-yahoo view of TT2 data
http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/TT2.htm
updated as of right now, for those of you having any difficulty in
yahoogroups.
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:00
pm
Subject: Awards for services to music industry.
I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given to him
by the Gods.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'convention24'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
> parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
> where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry.
--- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
wrote:
> Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given
to him
> by the Gods.
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and
Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'convention24'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> I was waiting for that one,Complete SH***,the mans a Genius,and
ALWAYS will be.
>
> > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so
called
> > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow
tongued
> > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno
GODS
> > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the
history
> > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y...
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:30
pm
Subject: Moods
Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up.
Depends on the music.
Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you
think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same
mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener?
Dale
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
I was waiting for that one,Complete SH***,the mans a Genius,and
> ALWAYS will be.
Yes he is. No arugement there. But still some say... here is a post for yea
to ponder...
'
umocheech@d...
I haven't heard this release, but it doesn't seem Oldfield has
completely lost all of his 'magic' the way Froese & Franke have. The
last thing of Oldfield's I've heard, tho, was Tubular Bells 2.
E-Man
----- Original Message -----
From: deoletus
To: ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: [ElectronicMusic] Mike's new album.
Hi.
Just bought Mike Oldfield's new cd 'Tres Lunas' and I like it a lot.
What do you think about it?
/Deoletus '
Yes in the far off lists that reside in the relm of the all powerful net,
some question Edgar.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:59
pm
Subject: last years cancelled concert
This is what it took to get my funds back from the Ventura Theater...
I had to drive there, wait for so and so who was with so and so who is out
for lunch with so and so. After the so's made it back and manage to slip by
me. I begin the whole process again... and guess what. I got my funds back.
I had to make that personal appearance to get this over with. No calls, no
letters, just show up in person and play a game. Isn't life funny?
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
Knowing his philosophy regarding such things, I feel Edgar would laugh off
any such awards coming his way, stating he doesn't do what he does to
receive awards. He'd probably send Jerome along!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: convention24
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
> parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
> where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
;-)
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chris Owen'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> Knowing his philosophy regarding such things, I feel Edgar would laugh off
> any such awards coming his way, stating he doesn't do what he does to
> receive awards. He'd probably send Jerome along!
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: convention24
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
>
>
> > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
> > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
> > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
> >
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:39
pm
Subject: Edgar
>Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given to him
>by the Gods.
>
>dale
No matter what Edgar does today, or in the last dozen years, I'll never
forget what he did for TD's first 17.
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
Another way to look at it;
How many bands are still kicking after 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? and
more?
The awards are nice but that isn't what made the music.
dale
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1383
>>Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a >>desktop.
You mean paperweight, don't you?
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese
failed.............................=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'convention24'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
> parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
> where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
Jan
That was crossing a line a bit don't you think?
I can't group TD with Techno that much. Sure they are similar but that just
went beyond my line.
Would that be like saying Garbage took what Berlin did and go beyond or what
Blondie did and move further? Sure they all have something in common but..
techno and TD?
You might be right, I am still stuck in the mid 70's to late 80's TD. To me
Techno and Dance go hand and hand. Molby doesn't impress me as Techno. Lords
of Acid, yea Techno.
Art of Noise? not techno. Emerson Lake and Palmer, not techno, Yes, not
techno.
Tomas Dolby? not techno. Punk maybe..
now ye got me going... me patch is a hot and itchy now... r.r.r.r.r.r.rrrrr
;-)
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese
failed.............................=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
No I didn't cross a line............
But think of this..........It's OK to state something bad about the 'so called
Techno GODS', but when I turned it around, you reacted right
away.................=O)..............
We all like different sorts of music, who's to say which is
better??????????.............the people I know listening to Techno-music don't
have a problem with TD..........but I have heard alot of fans here having a
problem with Techno...................why is it so hard to acknowledge new ways
of thinking music???????
Are we now stating bad things about other music-genres just to state how good
TD is??????
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> Jan
> That was crossing a line a bit don't you think?
>
> I can't group TD with Techno that much. Sure they are similar but that just
> went beyond my line.
>
> Would that be like saying Garbage took what Berlin did and go beyond or what
> Blondie did and move further? Sure they all have something in common but..
> techno and TD?
>
> You might be right, I am still stuck in the mid 70's to late 80's TD. To me
> Techno and Dance go hand and hand. Molby doesn't impress me as Techno. Lords
> of Acid, yea Techno.
>
> Art of Noise? not techno. Emerson Lake and Palmer, not techno, Yes, not
> techno.
>
> Tomas Dolby? not techno. Punk maybe..
>
> now ye got me going... me patch is a hot and itchy now... r.r.r.r.r.r.rrrrr
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
>
> Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> admin@k...
> 661-723-0266
> Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'PERGAMON'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
>
>
> > Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese
> failed.............................=O)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1383
In a message dated 6/21/02 4:54:50 PM, strat95@b... writes:
>>>Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a >>desktop.
>
>You mean paperweight, don't you?
Gee, never heard THAT one before.
Sorry if I sound like a whiny bastard, but I don't really think platform
attacks belong on this list. Let's talk about music.
--Daniel
NP: In Extremo - Sunder Ohne Zugel
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
;-)
r r r r r r
me patch is a itching....
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> No I didn't cross a line............
>
> But think of this..........It's OK to state something bad about the 'so
called Techno GODS', but when I turned it around, you reacted right
away.................=O)..............
>
> We all like different sorts of music, who's to say which is
better??????????.............the people I know listening to Techno-music
don't have a problem with TD..........but I have heard alot of fans here
having a problem with Techno...................why is it so hard to
acknowledge new ways of thinking music???????
>
> Are we now stating bad things about other music-genres just to state how
good TD is??????
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
>
>
> > Jan
> > That was crossing a line a bit don't you think?
> >
> > I can't group TD with Techno that much. Sure they are similar but that
just
> > went beyond my line.
> >
> > Would that be like saying Garbage took what Berlin did and go beyond or
what
> > Blondie did and move further? Sure they all have something in common
but..
> > techno and TD?
> >
> > You might be right, I am still stuck in the mid 70's to late 80's TD. To
me
> > Techno and Dance go hand and hand. Molby doesn't impress me as Techno.
Lords
> > of Acid, yea Techno.
> >
> > Art of Noise? not techno. Emerson Lake and Palmer, not techno, Yes, not
> > techno.
> >
> > Tomas Dolby? not techno. Punk maybe..
> >
> > now ye got me going... me patch is a hot and itchy now...
r.r.r.r.r.r.rrrrr
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > dale
> >
> > Administrator for Kay-Net.com
> > admin@k...
> > 661-723-0266
> > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'PERGAMON'
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> >
> >
> > > Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese
> > failed.............................=O)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:09
am
Subject: ot: Looking for potential collaborators...but not for DWT 3...read in
Hey...i'm looking for a few potential collaborators to work on a CD
project with....
TD, Jarre', Schulze must be among influences...contact me off list if
interested.
Thanx.
Mark H.
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:16
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
What's Tony Blair got to do anything?
-----Original Message-----
From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...]
Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
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'convention24'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:01
pm
Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry.
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive
had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time,but i stand by my
comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a
substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are
getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them.I Doubt whether EF
gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine
dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame.
Lastly,if i could recommend a CD ive just had by the EM artist
Otarion,the CD is called Creator and its Magic.
Best regards
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...]
> Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00
> To: tadream@y...
> Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
>
> I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow
tongued
> parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno
GODS
> where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
Well don't you have to include Tony Blair in something?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> What's Tony Blair got to do anything?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...]
> Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
>
> I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
> parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
> where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
TD in the R&R Hall of Fame. Interesting idea. Chubby Checker is also working
on that. I meet him last year during a assignment with one of our newspaper
here. He wants to be remembered for the 'dance apart from the beat'. I even
gave him some of my special Jerky.
To get there, one would have to start a series of petitions. This list would
be just as good as any other place to start.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'convention24'
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:01 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive
> had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time,but i stand by my
> comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a
> substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are
> getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them.I Doubt whether EF
> gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine
> dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame.
> Lastly,if i could recommend a CD ive just had by the EM artist
> Otarion,the CD is called Creator and its Magic.
> Best regards
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...]
> > Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00
> > To: tadream@y...
> > Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry.
> >
> > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
> > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
> > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
> > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a
> > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow
> tongued
> > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno
> GODS
> > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
> > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
> > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> >
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> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:32
pm
Subject: Zeit...
Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things,
its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I
have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit.
So I heard Zeit while reading some Sandman. You know, Neil Gaiman's Sandman.
(do you?)
I began reading Sandman a while ago, maybe one month ago. Excellent work.
Already have the first two cycles, Preludes and Doll's House, and some other
related works.
Anyway, I heard Zeit on earphones while reading Sandman, and I thought it was a
great soundtrack for it. And I would guess it's a good soundtrack for any such
kind of reading.
just some random thoughts... I hope you enjoyed reading that ;)
and I hope I manage to tune my brain to Physics and Linear Algebra now. aargh.
-GJ out from a very late lunch (it's 4:30 pm) after a complete spin of Zeit and
Sandman 8-9-10.
elton john sounds come from the living room from a dvd. hmm.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit...
In a message dated 6/22/2002 2:33:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
gustavojobim@n... writes:
> Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things,
> its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I
> have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit.
>
*Try Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze.
Poly
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit...
Ah yes! of course! Ah, Irrlicht is great. But still, I don't think I can really
compare it to Zeit. Side A is, as I see it, quite angry. Side B is a only a bit
more like Zeit, I think. They have similar kinds of sounds and textures, but
for me, they are different. ok, it's totally subjective. but Side A is still
totally uncomparable to zeit for me.
have made one irrlichty huge organ/harpsichord based track myself by the way,
to be the first track of the album i'm composing. thinking about adding real
drums to it. just need my drummer friend's time for that :)
>> Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things,
>> its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I
>> have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit.
>
>*Try Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze.
>Poly
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'convention24'
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive
> had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time,
You always do seem to get very emotional about Ed when you`ve been on the
Glenfiddich :)
Its funny how things such as alcahol can numb the stresses of daily life and
open your mind to music at a different level .
but i stand by my
> comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a
> substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are
> getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them.
well who decides whether they deserve them ? we can look at their music and
think 'god thats shite' but at the end of the day one mans rubbish is
another mans treasure .The music industry top dogs must feel that these
multi million selling artists are contributing to the modern music culture
.I think its fair to say that TD had their day in the 70s when they were
truly groundbreaking , and whilst we all still listen to them with great
admiration , the ever so fickle music industry has moved on to what it feels
are the current innovators .
I Doubt whether EF
> gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine
> dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame.
I would say they are already there ? You can find them in any AtoZ of
rock/pop music acts books .Even the shortest of mentions shows the
recognition these guys have .
BTW , Ive noticed how many of you guys have email names named after TD
records .I got a mail the other day from a site called 'Gobblings Club' ! is
this relevant ?
Paul
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: spelling mistakes
Did i write that last mail ?
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From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit...
On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:32:50 -0300 Gustavo Jobim
writes:
>So I heard Zeit while reading some Sandman. You know, Neil
>Gaiman's Sandman. (do you?)
Funny, that. I read SWAMP THING and HELLBLAZER and
SANDMAN with TD and Eno in the background for years.
Small world, innit? ;)
Steven sometimes, Stephanie sometimes -- always Me
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
nope it was your pet...
I caught my cat many times responding to the TD list. you can always tell...
he uses the Pirate eye patch. He and his compatriots in crime.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Lawler'
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: [tadream] spelling mistakes
> Did i write that last mail ?
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'convention24'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:52
am
Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry.
--- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'convention24'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:01 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
>
>
> > --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> > > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think
ive
> > had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time,
>
> You always do seem to get very emotional about Ed when you`ve been
on the
> Glenfiddich :)
> Its funny how things such as alcahol can numb the stresses of daily
life and
> open your mind to music at a different level .
> Paul,fair and sensible comments,i need to reduce the Glenfiddich
consumption,but EF will always be my number 1,i am listening to
Maroubra bay swathed in Edgars sweaty towel i got from the last sheps
bush gig,incredible sensation.
Best regards CJ
>
>
>
> but i stand by my
> > comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a
> > substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are
> > getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them.
>
> well who decides whether they deserve them ? we can look at their
music and
> think 'god thats shite' but at the end of the day one mans rubbish
is
> another mans treasure .The music industry top dogs must feel that
these
> multi million selling artists are contributing to the modern music
culture
> .I think its fair to say that TD had their day in the 70s when they
were
> truly groundbreaking , and whilst we all still listen to them with
great
> admiration , the ever so fickle music industry has moved on to what
it feels
> are the current innovators .
>
>
>
> I Doubt whether EF
> > gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine
> > dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame.
>
> I would say they are already there ? You can find them in any AtoZ
of
> rock/pop music acts books .Even the shortest of mentions shows the
> recognition these guys have .
> BTW , Ive noticed how many of you guys have email names named after
TD
> records .I got a mail the other day from a site called 'Gobblings
Club' ! is
> this relevant ?
>
>
> Paul
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
> nope it was your pet...
>
> I caught my cat many times responding to the TD list. you can always
tell...
> he uses the Pirate eye patch. He and his compatriots in crime.
I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;)
Paul
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Paul Lawler'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:32 PM
> Subject: [tadream] spelling mistakes
>
>
> > Did i write that last mail ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Lawler'
> I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;)
>
> Paul
I guess you like fish, and therefore bought a fish...................=O)
Jan
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Paul Lawler'
> > I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;)
> >
> > Paul
>
> I guess you like fish, and therefore bought a fish...................=O)
>
> Jan
>
Ahaaaaaaaaaaaah ! thats been bugging me for years , thanks ;)
Paul
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
Notice any water near you keyboard, or do you have a plastic cover in it?
I also seen experiements with fish dealing with quantrum objects, perhaps
your fellows are a bit clever.
;-)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Lawler'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes
>
>
> > nope it was your pet...
> >
> > I caught my cat many times responding to the TD list. you can always
> tell...
> > he uses the Pirate eye patch. He and his compatriots in crime.
>
> I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;)
>
> Paul
>
>
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Paul Lawler'
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:32 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] spelling mistakes
> >
> >
> > > Did i write that last mail ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:36
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #274
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #274 June 20, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates
ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The
Featured CD at midnight was 'Night,' the third disc from 'The Bluebox
Collection' on the Arya label.
The Ministry of Inside Things performed an on-air concert to whet your appetite
for their performance at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on
June 22.
Amir Baghiri
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun
MOIT at Soundscapes http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Ministry of Inside Things live, on-air, in-studio concert
12:00 am
Interview with The Ministry of Inside Things
Amir Baghiri Nightfall Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Crossroad of Darkness Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Midnight Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Frozen Stars Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Creeping Fog Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Polar Lights Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Fear Never Sleeps Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri The Small Hours Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Spilling Moonlight Night (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Touch the Deep Night (Arya)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Sleep,' the fourth and final disc from 'The
Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Catharsis Volume 6.'
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM show on WMUH 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Email me before submiting music for airplay consideration. billfox@f...
Radio Station Home Pages: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes
From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:21
am
Subject: Re: Edgar
I first heard TD during a school lunch break in 1975 (we were allowed
to use the schools' record players) and fell in love with the music.
In recent times I've bought a variety of the new music and even my
kids love 'Great Wall of China' when I play it on car journeys.
Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most
creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his
fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the
magic.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic
given to him
> >by the Gods.
> >
> >dale
>
> No matter what Edgar does today, or in the last dozen years, I'll
never
> forget what he did for TD's first 17.
>
> -Morgan
From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:26
am
Subject: Re: Zeit...
You could also try Cyborg - that seems quite 'heavy' in an
atmoshperical way.
Toby
> > Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among
other things,
> > its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I
think I
> > have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit.
> >
>
> *Try Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze.
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar)
> Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most
> creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his
> fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the
> magic.
How true! And that's why we decided to send a 'custom built' Tangerine Tree
box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes Schmoelling who was a
member of TD from 1979-85. Today I will send a box to the webmaster of the JS
homepage which contains unreleased live & studio recordings from the time
where Johannes was playing with Tangerine Dream (Berlin 1980, Paris 1981,
Newcastle 1981, Sydney/Melbourne 1982, Croydon 1982, Osaka 1983), plus a
concert from Birmingham March 1986, and a 2 CDR compilation CDR with
unreleased tracks from 1980-2001...so just in case he listens to these CDRs
he will get a glimpse about TD's music after he left the band. There are also
plans for a Tree box for Christopher Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's
address is unknown.
After watching TD's 'Inferno' concert in Berlin (June 15th) I had the chance
to meet Edgar in the backstage area, and there I had the opportunity to
present the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box to him. His first words were:
'hmm...looks like another box of bootlegs' , and I guess my face went pale
within a few miliseconds ~lol~ But then he told me that he likes what we are
doing, because there is no profit involved. What p*isses him off though are
bootlegs like 'Electronic Orgy' (for him this seems to be the 'mother of all
TD evil' ;-)
Heiko
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:28
am
Subject: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
Hello All,
I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit, with
a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release from
Okee 2001 for sale?
Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from?
Thanks
Neal
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
At 06:28 24-6-02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit, with
>a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release from
>Okee 2001 for sale?
>
>Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from?
http://www.groove.nl
Euro 15.99 / UKP 9.99 / US$ 14.49 + shipping
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
PO Box 2171
8203 AD Lelystad
the Netherlands
Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
-----------------------
Email: kees@g... ; Web pages: http://www.groove.nl
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
You can buy it from Synth Music Direct in the UK at
http://www.synthmusicdirect.com/
When you get there look under Free System Projekt(Project) not Marcel
Engels. That's where I bought mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'E Neal Frost'
To: ;
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
> Hello All,
>
> I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit,
with
> a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release
from
> Okee 2001 for sale?
>
> Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from?
>
> Thanks
> Neal
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
At 23:00 24-6-02 +1200, you wrote:
>You can buy it from Synth Music Direct in the UK at
>http://www.synthmusicdirect.com/
>
>When you get there look under Free System Projekt(Project) not Marcel
>Engels. That's where I bought mine.
Euro 15.75 / UKP 12.95 / US$ 19.94 + shipping
And at http://www.groove.nl
Euro 15.99 / UKP 9.99 / US$ 14.49 + shipping
And that's not counting extra discount for ordering 10 or 20 products! :-)
Yes folks. USA and UK customers pay 35% more at SMD.
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
PO Box 2171
8203 AD Lelystad
the Netherlands
Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
-----------------------
Email: kees@g... ; Web pages: http://www.groove.nl
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m.
----- Original Message -----
From:
> Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to
be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some sort
of e.m. community!
>
> Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA...
> Maybe it's time to move!!!
C'mawn down! Although I got the paper press to pay attention, the word was well
spread on all of the EM radio shows in the area, I blasted announcements to
every internet mailing list that I could, and I kept costs at a minimum, there
was only $30 profit... which I split with my co-producer! What will I do with
my share? Put it towards the next show, of course. In essence, I'm doing a lot
of work for no income. I'm just trying to perpetuate the concert scene of a
very small, very non-mainstream genre of music. It is difficult to find the
audience, even harder getting the word out to them, and even harder still
getting them all to come out. (Summer solstice turned out to be a bad choice
because everyone is outside, understandably.) There aren't many people who are
willing to promote concerts under these conditions which could explain why not
every area (even a major metropolitan area like Chicago) has a visible EM
concert scene. But since I haven't lost my shirt and the artistic and social
benefits are do great, I'll continue on.
I recommend that you compile a list of EM resources in your vicinity:
names and email addresses of EM fans
stores that stock EM
Local EM radio, TV, cable, internet shows
bars, churches, peoples' living rooms where you might hold events
Hold a pot luck in your home, charge $20 to the 10 EM fans who show up, and
invite whatever EM artist is passing through your area to play in your living
room. Robert Rich recently played such a concert in Colorado and made more
money than he sometimes makes at 'big' festivals! And that didn't include the
CD sales he made!
And keep on keeping on.
Cheers,
Bill
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:43
pm
Subject: Quantum FISHics (was: RE: [tadream] spelling mistakes)
I had a fish disappear out of a tank one time. I went out of town for a
weekend, and when I returned he was gone. He was the only fish there, so he
wasn't eaten. And no one else had a key to my place at that time...
-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Notice any water near you keyboard, or do you have a plastic cover in it?
I also seen experiements with fish dealing with quantum objects, perhaps
your fellows are a bit clever.
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:54
pm
Subject: RE: Quantum FISHics
There was no lid on the tank, but I never found a body...
Must've phased into another universe or something...
-----Original Message-----
From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:43 AM
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Quantum FISHics (was: RE: [tadream] spelling mistakes)
I had a fish disappear out of a tank one time. I went out of town for a
weekend, and when I returned he was gone. He was the only fish there, so he
wasn't eaten. And no one else had a key to my place at that time...
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Owens, James'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:54 PM
Subject: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics
> There was no lid on the tank, but I never found a body...
> Must've phased into another universe or something...
it does sound very fishy !
Paul
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:38
pm
Subject: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar)
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
There are also
> plans for a Tree box for Christopher Franke..unfortunately Peter
Baumann's
> address is unknown.
Great idea about the Tree boxes. I don't think Baumann's address is
unknown, after all he was interviewed by Olaf Zimmermann on
Electrobeats about 2 years ago. So you may want to send off an email
to good old 'Ozi' about that, I am sure he knows how to get a hold of
Peter...
Arne
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m.
Bill's right. I also get his info on the EM list.
It's a struggle. I just keep thinking about the starving artiest events.
This is what it reminds me of.
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bill Fox'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> > Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There
have to
> be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some
sort
> of e.m. community!
> >
> > Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA...
> > Maybe it's time to move!!!
>
> C'mawn down! Although I got the paper press to pay attention, the word
was well
> spread on all of the EM radio shows in the area, I blasted announcements
to
> every internet mailing list that I could, and I kept costs at a minimum,
there
> was only $30 profit... which I split with my co-producer! What will I do
with
> my share? Put it towards the next show, of course. In essence, I'm doing
a lot
> of work for no income. I'm just trying to perpetuate the concert scene of
a
> very small, very non-mainstream genre of music. It is difficult to find
the
> audience, even harder getting the word out to them, and even harder still
> getting them all to come out. (Summer solstice turned out to be a bad
choice
> because everyone is outside, understandably.) There aren't many people
who are
> willing to promote concerts under these conditions which could explain why
not
> every area (even a major metropolitan area like Chicago) has a visible EM
> concert scene. But since I haven't lost my shirt and the artistic and
social
> benefits are do great, I'll continue on.
>
> I recommend that you compile a list of EM resources in your vicinity:
> names and email addresses of EM fans
> stores that stock EM
> Local EM radio, TV, cable, internet shows
> bars, churches, peoples' living rooms where you might hold events
>
> Hold a pot luck in your home, charge $20 to the 10 EM fans who show up,
and
> invite whatever EM artist is passing through your area to play in your
living
> room. Robert Rich recently played such a concert in Colorado and made
more
> money than he sometimes makes at 'big' festivals! And that didn't include
the
> CD sales he made!
>
> And keep on keeping on.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:44
pm
Subject: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
... and I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of
the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to
read something about the concert.
Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY
posted a review of the show?
Arne
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics
When I had my tanks up and running (kitty TV's at the time) a few manage to
go missing too. Wasn't the kitties as far as I can tell, had a double lid. I
figured they too manage to pass thru.
This was when my kitties where young. Most are near 18 now, one is 19 if I
count right, Earth years. Now they just use the remotes and watch what they
want. I don't even care if I catch them on the rated channels anymore, I
figure they are old enough now. Most of the time, its the cartoon network.
At least I have only one who gets on the internet a lot. The rest just egg
him on.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Owens, James'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics
> There was no lid on the tank, but I never found a body...
> Must've phased into another universe or something...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:43 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: Quantum FISHics (was: RE: [tadream] spelling mistakes)
>
>
> I had a fish disappear out of a tank one time. I went out of town for a
> weekend, and when I returned he was gone. He was the only fish there, so
he
> wasn't eaten. And no one else had a key to my place at that time...
>
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
on 24/06/02 18:44, richter_arne at arne.richter@g... wrote:
> ... and I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of
> the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to
> read something about the concert.
>
> Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY
> posted a review of the show?
>
> Arne
I agree.
More emphasis at the moment on spelling mistakes and quantum fishics than
reports on the only concert this year given by the band this list was
created for...
Am I laying it on a bit thick? Perhaps, but I have also been surprised by
the lack of real on-topic posts recently...
Paul
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar
But still, there are those who say he has lost the magic.
The post remains on the other far off list.
What did they do in the day's of yore, when one's magic was challenge?
;-)
dale
(besides, I don't know how one thought I posted that message in the first
place or I even thought it true, I just mentioned it in reference to the
awards and how others might view. If I was Edgar, and I am not in any form,
just a figure of speech, I go my way with my music in the way I wished to
create it. I am one who thinks you are not a artiest anymore if you are
creating for the profit end of it. One does have to eat. I don't think he
has that problem. So why do it just for profit? Why accept a award when they
did not acknowledged the leadership role in the first place? Why ask Why?)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'braddito'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:21 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Edgar
> I first heard TD during a school lunch break in 1975 (we were allowed
> to use the schools' record players) and fell in love with the music.
> In recent times I've bought a variety of the new music and even my
> kids love 'Great Wall of China' when I play it on car journeys.
>
> Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most
> creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his
> fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the
> magic.
>
> Toby
>
> --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > >Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic
> given to him
> > >by the Gods.
> > >
> > >dale
> >
> > No matter what Edgar does today, or in the last dozen years, I'll
> never
> > forget what he did for TD's first 17.
> >
> > -Morgan
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
well I did post this last week
Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up.
Depends on the music.
Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you
think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same
mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener?
Dale
under moods
I just figuered it too deep a topic perhaps or maybe I was just being dissed
as I should...
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Fellows'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
> on 24/06/02 18:44, richter_arne at arne.richter@g... wrote:
>
> > ... and I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of
> > the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to
> > read something about the concert.
> >
> > Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY
> > posted a review of the show?
> >
> > Arne
>
> I agree.
>
> More emphasis at the moment on spelling mistakes and quantum fishics than
> reports on the only concert this year given by the band this list was
> created for...
>
> Am I laying it on a bit thick? Perhaps, but I have also been surprised by
> the lack of real on-topic posts recently...
>
> Paul
>
>
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
:
>>
> Am I laying it on a bit thick? Perhaps, but I have also been surprised by
> the lack of real on-topic posts recently...
>
> Paul
>
I am partly to blame for this but c`mon, the whole world doesn`t revolve
around TD all of the time, even on a list created for them .A bit of light
hearted banter never hurt anyone .What do you think will be different about
the recent Inferno gig ? Edgar changed his black shirt , Jerome has been on
the Slimfast ? ;)
I would say its pretty much the same as the last one as they dont play
anything live at the keyboard end .
I would be interested if the concert was new material (like the first
performance of Inferno) but this isn`t so I imagine that other than the
setting which we saw from the recent photos , it would be the same as the
first time around .
There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the
TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ?
Paul
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:29
pm
Subject: TOP 10
It's time for a TOP 10..........................
Which 10 TD-tracks are your favorite to play for others:
in no order
Drunken mozart.......
Rubycon prt 1
White eagle
Force Majeure
Meng tian
Beach theme
Dr. Destructo
Soundmill Navigator
Maroubra Bay
Ricochet Part 2
And for all those wondering what to put on your TD-introduction-compilation,
maybe you can use this............
Regards
Jan
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote:
> There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the
> TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ?
>
> Paul
>
True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that
he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they
were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it...
the other Paul
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
Arne said: I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of
> the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to
> read something about the concert.
>
> Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY
> posted a review of the show?
Hey Arne
Didn't you go to the Inferno concert. I thought you were in or near
Berlin?
David
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From:
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Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Fellows'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
> on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote:
>
>
> > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in
the
> > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that
> he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they
> were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it...
>
> the other Paul
>
I meant that because TD aint doing much , there`s not a great deal of
on-topic coversation at the moment
Paul
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:56
pm
Subject: only got fish
>I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that
dunno--perhaps it was 'streaming spice doubt' from the ozric tentacles....
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Subject: Re: [tadream] only got fish
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, tei waz wrote:
> >I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that
>
> dunno--perhaps it was 'streaming spice doubt' from the ozric tentacles....
>
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Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:07
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree for Steve Schroyder
I have already taken care of a copy of TT1 for Steve Schroyder.
THE HIGHLANDER aka Dronemeister
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 8:04
am
Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
> Hey Arne
>
> Didn't you go to the Inferno concert. I thought you were in or
near
> Berlin?
>
No, I was on a (long-before planned) vacation during that time and
sadly missed the show. But as I already saw the concert in Bernau I
hope that I didn't miss that much!!?!!!?!??
Arne
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar)
You have no idea how good it is to hear this and to glimpse the fatherly
wit of the Great Man. Edgar can appear grumpy, but this shows he's on
the side of the fans.
Dennis
On 24 Jun 2002 at 9:58, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
> > Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most
> > creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his
> > fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the
> > magic.
>
> How true! And that's why we decided to send a 'custom built' Tangerine
> Tree box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes Schmoelling
> who was a member of TD from 1979-85. Today I will send a box to the
> webmaster of the JS homepage which contains unreleased live & studio
> recordings from the time where Johannes was playing with Tangerine
> Dream (Berlin 1980, Paris 1981, Newcastle 1981, Sydney/Melbourne 1982,
> Croydon 1982, Osaka 1983), plus a concert from Birmingham March 1986,
> and a 2 CDR compilation CDR with unreleased tracks from 1980-2001...so
> just in case he listens to these CDRs he will get a glimpse about TD's
> music after he left the band. There are also plans for a Tree box for
> Christopher Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's address is unknown.
> After watching TD's 'Inferno' concert in Berlin (June 15th) I had the
> chance to meet Edgar in the backstage area, and there I had the
> opportunity to present the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box to him. His first
> words were: 'hmm...looks like another box of bootlegs' , and I guess
> my face went pale within a few miliseconds ~lol~ But then he told me
> that he likes what we are doing, because there is no profit involved.
> What p*isses him off though are bootlegs like 'Electronic Orgy' (for
> him this seems to be the 'mother of all TD evil' ;-)
>
> Heiko
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
> No, I was on a (long-before planned) vacation during that time and
> sadly missed the show. But as I already saw the concert in Bernau I
> hope that I didn't miss that much!!?!!!?!??
Well they played a fantastic improvised concert which lasted for three hours,
and had Chris Franke & Peter Baumann as guest musicians...they even had the
Big Moog on stage!! :-)
errm....
well.....
the music was almost 100% identically to what they played in Bernau. As far
as I can remember the only difference was the instrumention in 'La grey de
los almas perdidas'. It was like playing the whole 'Inferno' CD by adding
more bongo percussion.
As you can see from the pictures on Rainer's homepage the show itself was
quite spectacular and impressive, but still I think that playing 'Inferno' in
a church (like the one in Bernau) is a much more suitable venue. In Bernau
the audience was calm and quiet. In Berlin it was noisy (not to mention the
two drunken jerks which were yelling and waving to the two female dancers
near the end of the show), and the audience was much bigger than in Bernau..I
was told that the concert was sold out and that the venue had a seating
capacity of 1500. It was sometimes difficult for me to concentrate on the
music, but then again I already knew the music inside out and there was very
little variation.
I stayed in a hotel which was a few hundred metres away from the
Museumsinsel, and as usually I arrived way too early (I'm just too German
;-) There seems to have been a thunder storm the day before the concert
because all the seats were wet and the water had to be wiped off the chairs
by some poor staff people. I was wearing my Ramones t-shirt and soon got
recognized by someone from the US, a nice guy called Alastair who once was a
member on the old TD mailing list. Just a couple of minutes later I met
someone who flew in from Mexico named Jose, and was amazed that people are
willing to fly a few thousand miles just to see TD play. We sat down and had
a beer or two, and then we saw Edgar Froese making his way towards the stage.
Alastair asked him if it would be ok if someone takes a photo of them but
Edgar just moaned and walked away, it seems he wasn't in the best mood. Later
on I was told the reason why, it seems the tour organizers were a bunch of
.... (fill in whatever you like ;-)
Half an hour later some other TD fans joined us (Alan Miller, Volkmar Friauf,
Rainer Rutka and Heiko Neumann from the mailing list) About 60-70 minutes
before the start of the show we were all requested to leave the area, and
were among the first people which had to wait outside. Just a couple of
minutes later the queue was already getting bigger and bigger, and I was
among the first who got in again. We all had tickets for category 'A' and
rushed towards the stage, hoping to find a good seat...but to our
disappointment the first three rows were already reserved for press people of
the German 'ARD' TV channel (which was somehow logical because their slogan
can be translated into 'with ARD you always sit in the first row' ;-)
About 15 minutes before the start of the show all of a sudden a dozen of huge
white balls were thrown into the audience (maybe they used the same ones they
had in Osnabrück three years ago for the 'Mars Polaris' world premiere ;-)
The crowd got quite enthusiastic about this and during the first few minutes
of the concert some of the balls were still flying around. Then it started to
become a bit annoying: about ten minutes into the music those seats for the
press people were still empty, and one drunken (?) guy who obviously didn't
belong to them wanted to sit down there. But a security person prevented him
from doing this and he had to leave the concert. Soon after that the press
people came all at once (about 50-60 persons?), taking their seats while
talking loudly to each other. I guess that 90% of them didn't even know about
what was going on, or who Tangerine Dream is. I noticed one lady who gently
fell asleep just a few minutes later....
There's not much to say about the concert except that the laser show in
Bernau was much better and impressive. But still I think it was a good
concert. Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short
appearances, they both looked gorgeous :-) TD received a standing ovation
and I think the crowd was quite pleased with what they saw.
But at least for some of us the day was not over yet. I had something with me
which I was hoping to present to Edgar: the 'preview' edition of the 2nd
'Tangerine Tree' box. I was standing left from the stage (along with Vic
Rek, Alan Miller, Alastair, Rainer Rutka and some people which I haven't seen
before), and was hoping to get into the backstage area. But the security
staff was merciless, and we waited for one hour. Then all of a sudden
Jerome's girlfriend (or wife?) came to us and asked me if my name was
Heiko..you should have seen my big grin ;-) She also invited Rainer and
Alastair, and when we finally got into the backstage area (which was not more
like some sort of big tent) we looked at each other as if we had just hit the
jackpot. The tent was crammed full with the artists from the Inferno show
(the choir singers, Iris Kulterer etc.) Much to our surprise Vic was already
inside (he must have the right connections..envy!!), and after a few minutes
I took my chance and passed over the 'Tree box' to Edgar who I think was
quite pleased with it.
Then Vic introduced us to a person we didn't recognize first. 'Who is it?' we
asked. 'Ralf' he replied..then the pennies dropped: it was former member Ralf
Wadephul, who was playing with the band during 'Optical race' (1988-89). We
were quite thrilled to meet him and told him that we liked the 'Sun gate'
track on the Optical race album very much (which he wrote). We stayed inside
the tent for maybe half an hour and then walked out again only to find the
rest of the fans still waiting to get in, but for us the night still wasn't
over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a couple
of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the prostitutes
that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up and
took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel.
Regards
Heiko
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar)
Heiko,
How can I receive a copy of the Schmoelling box set?
E-mail me privately.
Wade
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
> > Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains
> one of the most
> > creative and gifted musicians alive. And much
> respect is due to his
> > fellow band members through the years - all have
> contributed to the
> > magic.
>
> How true! And that's why we decided to send a
> 'custom built' Tangerine Tree
> box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes
> Schmoelling who was a
> member of TD from 1979-85. Today I will send a box
> to the webmaster of the JS
> homepage which contains unreleased live & studio
> recordings from the time
> where Johannes was playing with Tangerine Dream
> (Berlin 1980, Paris 1981,
> Newcastle 1981, Sydney/Melbourne 1982, Croydon 1982,
> Osaka 1983), plus a
> concert from Birmingham March 1986, and a 2 CDR
> compilation CDR with
> unreleased tracks from 1980-2001...so just in case
> he listens to these CDRs
> he will get a glimpse about TD's music after he left
> the band. There are also
> plans for a Tree box for Christopher
> Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's
> address is unknown.
> After watching TD's 'Inferno' concert in Berlin
> (June 15th) I had the chance
> to meet Edgar in the backstage area, and there I had
> the opportunity to
> present the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box to him. His
> first words were:
> 'hmm...looks like another box of bootlegs' , and I
> guess my face went pale
> within a few miliseconds ~lol~ But then he told me
> that he likes what we are
> doing, because there is no profit involved. What
> p*isses him off though are
> bootlegs like 'Electronic Orgy' (for him this seems
> to be the 'mother of all
> TD evil' ;-)
>
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TOP 10
OK, it was not the time for a TOP 10...................=O)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: [tadream] TOP 10
> It's time for a TOP 10..........................
>
> Which 10 TD-tracks are your favorite to play for others:
>
> in no order
>
> Drunken mozart.......
> Rubycon prt 1
> White eagle
> Force Majeure
> Meng tian
> Beach theme
> Dr. Destructo
> Soundmill Navigator
> Maroubra Bay
> Ricochet Part 2
>
> And for all those wondering what to put on your TD-introduction-compilation,
maybe you can use this............
>
> Regards
> Jan
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short
> appearances, they both looked gorgeous ..., but for us the night
still wasn't
> over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had
a couple
> of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the
prostitutes
> that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we
stood up and
> took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel.
>
> Regards
> Heiko
Heiko, I guess from this that your wife didn't go to the show !
Toby
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar)
Wade Gordon wrote:
>
> Heiko,
>
> How can I receive a copy of the Schmoelling box set?
>
> E-mail me privately.
ROFLMAO -- Mark
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Moods
Moods...
Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm acknowledging
that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though I have thought
about it a lot)...
In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would create
the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that mood would
then transpire in the listener accordingly.
A modern day and immediate example of this would be a successful movie
soundtrack. A not modern day example would be something like Chartes cathedral
and similar places as well as some religious art.
I think most art, and artists are subjective though and the desired intent is
not always the desired result.
Not necessarily bad. If the music makes you 'feel' something then that's good.
If the music was intended to make people cry and they laugh instead, just don't
tell them what you intended!!!
:-)
<<
Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
well I did post this last week
Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up.
Depends on the music.
Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you
think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same
mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener?
Dale
under moods
I just figuered it too deep a topic perhaps or maybe I was just being dissed
as I should...>>>
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Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: Slowing down
In the 'old days' of the medieval guild systems, Tangerine Dream would be an
entity of synthesists at various stages of growth, and Edgar would be the
master at their head. Perhaps at the bottom of the scale, a young aspirant
would start off by learning how to archive stuff, work their way up to learning
how to sample and set loop points, program sounds, then do a bass sequence,
etc., and eventually rise into the 'upper ranks' and be able to perform live as
T.D. Then when someone left to start their own guild (like C.F., etc.), there
would be others ready to fill their place.
When doing a soundtrack, Edgar would come in to sketch out a few ideas, then
come back to evaluate, perhaps lay down a couple lead lines, and bless the
thing before it went out.
Kind of like Michael Hague the illutrator.
Or Hans Zimmer.
Hmm, maybe T.D. needs to be set up like a wizard's school!
:-)
<<
Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote:
> There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the
> TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ?
>
> Paul
>
True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that
he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they
were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it...
the other Paul>>>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Moods
> I think most art, and artists are subjective though and the desired intent
is not always the desired result.
That statement I think is more true than one might think. I do think that if
this is the case then the artiest must deal with. They might be
misunderstood as to why they have that sad face when they are making so
joyous music? (tears of a clown)(just a figure of speech)
I often wonder what moods and thought run thru TD's band members on some
tracks. Is the audience outcome what they expected? or was it something
else?
Putting this at a individual level, what affects me one way will surely
affect another differently.
So there is a dynamic between individuals and groups of people. Similar to
Solos and Orchestra.
When I try to intimate some of TD's work, I find myself trying to think of
what they must have felt when they where playing it or the mind set that
went into it. Tangram was difficult for me, as an example, as it had some
hidden parts underneath the main which if removed left it hollow.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: [tadream] Moods
> Moods...
>
> Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm
acknowledging that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though
I have thought about it a lot)...
>
> In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would
create the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that
mood would then transpire in the listener accordingly.
>
> A modern day and immediate example of this would be a successful movie
soundtrack. A not modern day example would be something like Chartes
cathedral and similar places as well as some religious art.
>
> I think most art, and artists are subjective though and the desired intent
is not always the desired result.
>
> Not necessarily bad. If the music makes you 'feel' something then that's
good. If the music was intended to make people cry and they laugh instead,
just don't tell them what you intended!!!
>
> :-)
>
> << Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:52:42 -0700
> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
>
> well I did post this last week
>
> Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up.
> Depends on the music.
>
> Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do
you
> think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the
same
> mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener?
>
> Dale
>
>
>
> under moods
>
> I just figuered it too deep a topic perhaps or maybe I was just being
dissed
> as I should...>>>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
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>
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Slowing down
I did see a post a week or so back referring to Edgar and his thoughts on
finding a servant. Someone who would do as intended.
Perhaps a clue?
Such a guild would be worth joining. That is, if one could meet the test?
Snatch the pebble from my hand? or ?
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:19 AM
Subject: [tadream] Slowing down
> In the 'old days' of the medieval guild systems, Tangerine Dream would be
an entity of synthesists at various stages of growth, and Edgar would be the
master at their head. Perhaps at the bottom of the scale, a young aspirant
would start off by learning how to archive stuff, work their way up to
learning how to sample and set loop points, program sounds, then do a bass
sequence, etc., and eventually rise into the 'upper ranks' and be able to
perform live as T.D. Then when someone left to start their own guild (like
C.F., etc.), there would be others ready to fill their place.
>
> When doing a soundtrack, Edgar would come in to sketch out a few ideas,
then come back to evaluate, perhaps lay down a couple lead lines, and bless
the thing before it went out.
>
> Kind of like Michael Hague the illutrator.
>
> Or Hans Zimmer.
>
> Hmm, maybe T.D. needs to be set up like a wizard's school!
>
> :-)
>
>
> << Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:18:41 +0200
> From: Paul Fellows
> Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
>
> on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote:
>
>
> > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in
the
> > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal
that
> he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they
> were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it...
>
> the other Paul>>>
>
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>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:14
pm
Subject: Order of the Edgar Guild
I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining
on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their
talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge.
And the idea that Edgar is looking for a subordinate, it has been said by
many people on this list (and the UWP list) in the last 7 years that the
fact that Edgar is now playing with others who generally 'fall into line'
and do what he wants that is the reason why TD music post-1989 COULD be so
much better.
There are gems to be had on most every TD album since Franke left. But I
long for a time when every nanosecond of music was genius.
As long as TD was a group of diametrically opposed forces, each with strong
ideas, TD was stellar.
Now that TD has 'kept it in the family', things have changed forever.
Again, not to rain on anyone's parade, but as pleasant as Dream Mixes 1-3
are, Jerome is 3-5 years behind the curve. Other dance artists and DJs are
out there creating and inventing. Jerome is adapting and reshaping what's
already been done stylistically.
I remember when many TD fans would hope and pray that Edgar would hire
someone on with different opinions and fresh ideas. I don't hear much of
that hope anymore.
-Morgan
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Order of the Edgar Guild
> As long as TD was a group of diametrically opposed forces, each with
strong
> ideas, TD was stellar.
Along those lines, this can be said of Bad Company, ELO, Styx and many
others.
Something about conflict, human nature and art... the mix in right
combinations sometimes leads to great things.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: [tadream] Order of the Edgar Guild
> I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining
> on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their
> talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge.
>
> And the idea that Edgar is looking for a subordinate, it has been said by
> many people on this list (and the UWP list) in the last 7 years that the
> fact that Edgar is now playing with others who generally 'fall into line'
> and do what he wants that is the reason why TD music post-1989 COULD be so
> much better.
>
> There are gems to be had on most every TD album since Franke left. But I
> long for a time when every nanosecond of music was genius.
>
> As long as TD was a group of diametrically opposed forces, each with
strong
> ideas, TD was stellar.
>
> Now that TD has 'kept it in the family', things have changed forever.
>
> Again, not to rain on anyone's parade, but as pleasant as Dream Mixes 1-3
> are, Jerome is 3-5 years behind the curve. Other dance artists and DJs are
> out there creating and inventing. Jerome is adapting and reshaping what's
> already been done stylistically.
>
> I remember when many TD fans would hope and pray that Edgar would hire
> someone on with different opinions and fresh ideas. I don't hear much of
> that hope anymore.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:52
pm
Subject: re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic
So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic?
this oughta disquiet the list a tad.....
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic
Looking to twist the list a tad off plum?
How about playing Mellotron samples in reverse? Would that be considered
backward masking?
;-)
I gots the Devil in me....
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: [tadream] re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic
> So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic?
>
> this oughta disquiet the list a tad.....
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:31
pm
Subject: re O.E.G.
Morgan writes:
>Jerome is 3-5 years behind the curve. Other dance artists and DJs are
out there creating and inventing.
Can you cite several or at least a few specific examples of released work
from said other dance artists/DJs showing them creating and inventing where
it hasn't been done before?
--T
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
From: 'tei waz'
> Can you cite several or at least a few specific examples of released work
> from said other dance artists/DJs showing them creating and inventing
> where it hasn't been done before?
Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind.
I don't really have anything against Jeromes contributions to the band - if
it's a choice between Dream Mixes 3 and Destination Berlin I know which CD
I'll be playing - but TD are undeniably followers in their current genre,
not leaders. IMHO after 30 years of constant output that's not really
something to be ashamed of. It would be foolish to expect TD or any other
band to still be cranking out albums where 'every nanosecond of music' is
genius. But as Morgan stated the creative inbreeding and lack of conflict
amoungst band members is probably holding TD back somewhat.
Maff
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic
tei waz wrote:
>
> So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic?
>
> this oughta disquiet the list a tad.....
~LOL~ You might as well say that Beethoven was parasitic.
Over the hill? - Suppose Chris had stayed, eh? Think about it. What would
TD be like? What kind of music would the band be making?
Edgar guild? - As Morgan has already pointed out, with the possible
exception of Baumann and maybe Schnitzler, the members of TD were already
accomplished musicians when they joined the band and judging from their
later work they have all been strong willed. Edgar-as-papa or
Edgar-as-master just don't ring true.
Probably the closest to an apprentice is Jerome.
Conflict produces brilliance? - I not only disagree with the 'Edgar
guild' idea, I disagree also with the 'conflict produces brilliance'
concept. What produces brilliant music are ideas and time and work, and a
certain amount of courage and stubbornness. I think Edgar excells at all
of them, all by himself. But what Edgar really excells at is: vision.
Yeah, I'd call Ed a 1st class visionary. Working with him must have been
extremely stimuating. The only ex-member who I think has a clear vision
is Paul Haslinger. That's pretty ironic because he's the only ex-member
who came to TD without experience in experimental music and who has
admitted that he looked up to Edgar and kinda went to school with TD.
I've been working on some 88 US tour shows and I can't get over how
timeless the 'Optical Race' tracks are. 'Mothers of Rain', 'Marakesh',
'Midnight Trail', 'Atlas Eyes', 'Ghazal'... they are all just terrific!
It's hard to believe they were with Atari computers. What's easy to
believe is that they were all made without Chris Franke.
One thing is for sure: No matter what you say on this list, you will find
someone who will disagree with you.
I have an even more interesting question than what you think TD would be
like today if Chris had stayed...
What would the band be like today if TD had WON all those Grammys? (Now
THAT oughta disquiet the list a tad.....)
And what would today's new age music be like?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:28
pm
Subject:
>Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind.
OK, using those examples could work, but
out on a limb here--those two groups have been resting on their laurels for
some time now, too. FSOL finally put out some new product this month
(haven't heard isness, yet--did it actually come out?) after what six years?
They've certainly rerelased stuff several times (see papua new guinea....)
'Dead cities' came out in 1996 if IIRC--I like that album _a lot_. And of
course ISDN's been out a few times, too.....
Orbital, when I saw them last live, didn't look a whole lot different from
when I saw them first--and if their setlists mean anything they're still
doing the same show and it wasn't a lot different than kraftwerk....
--T
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Rolling Stones is another that has such longevity. Do you expect each and
every song to be like the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's? Keith Richards somehow
still manages to be able to pick up that guitar. That just amazes me.
;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
> From: 'tei waz'
>
>
> > Can you cite several or at least a few specific examples of released
work
> > from said other dance artists/DJs showing them creating and inventing
> > where it hasn't been done before?
>
>
> Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind.
>
> I don't really have anything against Jeromes contributions to the band -
if
> it's a choice between Dream Mixes 3 and Destination Berlin I know which CD
> I'll be playing - but TD are undeniably followers in their current genre,
> not leaders. IMHO after 30 years of constant output that's not really
> something to be ashamed of. It would be foolish to expect TD or any other
> band to still be cranking out albums where 'every nanosecond of music' is
> genius. But as Morgan stated the creative inbreeding and lack of conflict
> amoungst band members is probably holding TD back somewhat.
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
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> www.mst3uk.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic
I have an even more interesting question than what you think TD would be
like today if Chris had stayed...
>>>>> B5 style?
What would the band be like today if TD had WON all those Grammys? (Now
THAT oughta disquiet the list a tad.....)
>>>>>>> As pointed out, more than likely Edgar would have had Chris pick
them up.
>>>>> What great thoughts.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic
> tei waz wrote:
> >
> > So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic?
> >
> > this oughta disquiet the list a tad.....
>
> ~LOL~ You might as well say that Beethoven was parasitic.
>
> Over the hill? - Suppose Chris had stayed, eh? Think about it. What would
> TD be like? What kind of music would the band be making?
>
> Edgar guild? - As Morgan has already pointed out, with the possible
> exception of Baumann and maybe Schnitzler, the members of TD were already
> accomplished musicians when they joined the band and judging from their
> later work they have all been strong willed. Edgar-as-papa or
> Edgar-as-master just don't ring true.
>
> Probably the closest to an apprentice is Jerome.
>
> Conflict produces brilliance? - I not only disagree with the 'Edgar
> guild' idea, I disagree also with the 'conflict produces brilliance'
> concept. What produces brilliant music are ideas and time and work, and a
> certain amount of courage and stubbornness. I think Edgar excells at all
> of them, all by himself. But what Edgar really excells at is: vision.
>
> Yeah, I'd call Ed a 1st class visionary. Working with him must have been
> extremely stimuating. The only ex-member who I think has a clear vision
> is Paul Haslinger. That's pretty ironic because he's the only ex-member
> who came to TD without experience in experimental music and who has
> admitted that he looked up to Edgar and kinda went to school with TD.
>
> I've been working on some 88 US tour shows and I can't get over how
> timeless the 'Optical Race' tracks are. 'Mothers of Rain', 'Marakesh',
> 'Midnight Trail', 'Atlas Eyes', 'Ghazal'... they are all just terrific!
> It's hard to believe they were with Atari computers. What's easy to
> believe is that they were all made without Chris Franke.
>
> One thing is for sure: No matter what you say on this list, you will find
> someone who will disagree with you.
>
> I have an even more interesting question than what you think TD would be
> like today if Chris had stayed...
>
> What would the band be like today if TD had WON all those Grammys? (Now
> THAT oughta disquiet the list a tad.....)
>
> And what would today's new age music be like?
>
> Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown)
Since you mention Kraftwerk... what if they had won some awards, where then
would techno have gone?
Now here is another fine question... Do you think TD might have influenced
Kraftwerk a tad, Gary Nueman, Nina and Berlin?
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] (unknown)
>
>
> >Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind.
>
> OK, using those examples could work, but
>
> out on a limb here--those two groups have been resting on their laurels
for
> some time now, too. FSOL finally put out some new product this month
> (haven't heard isness, yet--did it actually come out?) after what six
years?
> They've certainly rerelased stuff several times (see papua new guinea....)
> 'Dead cities' came out in 1996 if IIRC--I like that album _a lot_. And of
> course ISDN's been out a few times, too.....
>
> Orbital, when I saw them last live, didn't look a whole lot different from
> when I saw them first--and if their setlists mean anything they're still
> doing the same show and it wasn't a lot different than kraftwerk....
>
> --T
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
Many thanks for the review, Heiko...
I wonder if TD will ever risk playing an 'improvised
show' again???
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> > No, I was on a (long-before planned) vacation
> during that time and
> > sadly missed the show. But as I already saw the
> concert in Bernau I
> > hope that I didn't miss that much!!?!!!?!??
>
> Well they played a fantastic improvised concert
> which lasted for three hours,
> and had Chris Franke & Peter Baumann as guest
> musicians...they even had the
> Big Moog on stage!! :-)
>
> errm....
> well.....
>
> the music was almost 100% identically to what they
> played in Bernau. As far
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown)
From: 'tei waz'
> >Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind.
>
> OK, using those examples could work, but
>
> out on a limb here--those two groups have been resting on
> their laurels for some time now, too. FSOL finally put out
> some new product this month (haven't heard isness, yet--did
> it actually come out?) after what six years?
After an eternity of faffing around it's finally coming out next month.
I've heard it, initially loved it, now I'm not so sure. A couple of very
nice tracks in there but on reflection it's nowhere near as original as
Lifeforms or as varied as Dead Cities. (As I side note I understand the
reason FSOL have been dormant for so long was record company contract
difficulties and one of the two band members being very seriously ill).
> They've certainly rerelased stuff several times (see papua new guinea....)
So have TD. See Dream Sequence, Tangents, IBox, Blue Years etc etc yada yada
;-).
> 'Dead cities' came out in 1996 if IIRC--I like that album _a lot_.
> And of course ISDN's been out a few times, too.....
>
> Orbital, when I saw them last live, didn't look a whole lot
> different from when I saw them first--and if their setlists mean
> anything they're still doing the same show and it wasn't a lot
> different than kraftwerk....
If Orbital can be considered the current Dance music 'standard', do you
really see TD overtaking them or reinvigorating the genre they currently
inhabit? As far as I'm concerned, not for a second. Jeromes stuff is
certainly very nice, and his Dream Mixes project picked TD up from the
doldrums, but revolutionary it aint.
All in my humble and subjective opinion of course.
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:17
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Is TD still revolutionary? Maybe not, but that's not really a deciding
factor with me. My primary concern is if I like the music/sound or not.
I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm a person with the most
exquisite tastes; I like bands that were/are innovative and fresh for
their time (Pink Floyd, TD, Yes, etc.) and bands that obviously were/are
not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen). But if I don't enjoy a band's
sound, or find it interesting, I usually let it pass after a few tries.
I found myself disappointed with most of the 'new' musical groups that
came out of the last decade, so I spent my time and money looking into
older artists and bands for elements that tickled my fancy. However, I
always seemed to enjoy what TD was cooking up in it's various forms.
Some people claim that's ass-kissing of some kind, and they're entitled
to their opinions. But my parade has been water-proofed for some time
now.
- jim
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Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:38
am
Subject: rain on!
Debate is good. But I never meant to imply that Chris Franke or Peter Baumann
or Johannes Schmoelling, or even Paul Haslinger or any of the other people
who went through Tangerine Dream's ranks were E.F.'s subordinates. Certainly
not when speaking in terms of talent (as far as I know). I was putting forth
a hypothetical scenario. Sorry for the confusion.
<<
Subject: Order of the Edgar Guild
I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining
on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their
talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge.>>>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
> Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short
> > appearances, they both looked gorgeous ..., but for us the night still
> wasn't
> > over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a
> couple
> > of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the
> prostitutes
> > that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up
> and
> > took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel.
>
> Heiko, I guess from this that your wife didn't go to the show !
> Toby
LOL. Just to make it perfectly clear..I was only *watching* the scene :-) My
wife doesn't like Tangerine Dream at all and stayed at home, but I think I
managed to persuade her to join me for their next 'Inferno' concert at Burg
Nideggen this August.
Heiko
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Nice comments.
The music is always the deciding factor isn't it? Some might say just do art
for art's sake. Most however, come back to TD for the music. The other bands
have their place, no one can take that way. The music and the ideas were
there and still are.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jim Moore'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
> Is TD still revolutionary? Maybe not, but that's not really a deciding
> factor with me. My primary concern is if I like the music/sound or not.
> I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm a person with the most
> exquisite tastes; I like bands that were/are innovative and fresh for
> their time (Pink Floyd, TD, Yes, etc.) and bands that obviously were/are
> not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen). But if I don't enjoy a band's
> sound, or find it interesting, I usually let it pass after a few tries.
>
> I found myself disappointed with most of the 'new' musical groups that
> came out of the last decade, so I spent my time and money looking into
> older artists and bands for elements that tickled my fancy. However, I
> always seemed to enjoy what TD was cooking up in it's various forms.
> Some people claim that's ass-kissing of some kind, and they're entitled
> to their opinions. But my parade has been water-proofed for some time
> now.
>
> - jim
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
Perhaps she doesn't want you to 'watch the scene'.
I don't even try to talk much about my younger days in Europe around my
wife, esp. when I was watching the scene. I wasn't married when I was in
Europe. I manage to make most of the clubs most of the nights back them,
even to those streets dedicated to the scene side of life. Ah what fun that
was.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
>
>
>
> > Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short
> > > appearances, they both looked gorgeous ..., but for us the night still
> > wasn't
> > > over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a
> > couple
> > > of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the
> > prostitutes
> > > that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood
up
> > and
> > > took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel.
> >
> > Heiko, I guess from this that your wife didn't go to the show !
> > Toby
>
> LOL. Just to make it perfectly clear..I was only *watching* the scene :-)
My
> wife doesn't like Tangerine Dream at all and stayed at home, but I think I
> managed to persuade her to join me for their next 'Inferno' concert at
Burg
> Nideggen this August.
>
> Heiko
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] rain on!
But the leader of the band ... ( see Dan Fogelberg for the rest of the
story)
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: [tadream] rain on!
> Debate is good. But I never meant to imply that Chris Franke or Peter
Baumann
> or Johannes Schmoelling, or even Paul Haslinger or any of the other people
> who went through Tangerine Dream's ranks were E.F.'s subordinates.
Certainly
> not when speaking in terms of talent (as far as I know). I was putting
forth
> a hypothetical scenario. Sorry for the confusion.
>
>
> << Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:14:51 -0500
> From: Morgan Feldon
> Subject: Order of the Edgar Guild
>
> I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining
> on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their
> talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge.>>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:42
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and
music? In the context in which TD were formed, they constituted a
unique blend of classical and rock ideas and, most importantly, an
expressionist agenda and futuristic technical approach that hadn't been
there before. Today, crossover of various descriptions is so
commonplace, sounds are so diverse and technology is so
sophisticated that it becomes hard to be original, let alone
revolutionary.
TD is still trying to carve out a niche for themselves in the contemporary
scene, which is illustrated by their continuing resistance to let
themselves be categorised among rock, pop, classical, techno or other
musical movements. But with such a variety of music around and so
many people who are - after 30+ years of TD music - heavily influenced
by the masters themselves, how can they still hope to be revolutionary?
All they can do is to keep trying to push boundaries and demonstrate
their undoubted competence.
Dennis
On 25 Jun 2002 at 22:17, Jim Moore wrote:
> Is TD still revolutionary? Maybe not, but that's not really a
> deciding factor with me. My primary concern is if I like the
> music/sound or not. I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm a
> person with the most exquisite tastes; I like bands that were/are
> innovative and fresh for their time (Pink Floyd, TD, Yes, etc.) and
> bands that obviously were/are not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen).
> But if I don't enjoy a band's sound, or find it interesting, I usually
> let it pass after a few tries.
>
> I found myself disappointed with most of the 'new' musical groups that
> came out of the last decade, so I spent my time and money looking into
> older artists and bands for elements that tickled my fancy. However,
> I always seemed to enjoy what TD was cooking up in it's various forms.
> Some people claim that's ass-kissing of some kind, and they're
> entitled to their opinions. But my parade has been water-proofed for
> some time now.
>
> - jim
>
>
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
>LOL. Just to make it perfectly clear..I was only *watching* the scene :-) My
>wife doesn't like Tangerine Dream at all and stayed at home, but I think I
>managed to persuade her to join me for their next 'Inferno' concert at Burg
>Nideggen this August.
>
>Heiko
>
*My wife was there... ;-)
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From:
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Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:10
am
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
'Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and
music?'
I am the network. You are on the network...
To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's (and I won't
digress on the fact that the whole western civilization doesn't seem to have
invented anything really new for decades and probably won't do in the future).
Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business.
Of course, there were (and there are still) some interesting bands but true
innovation was already gone.
In a way, it is a clever move that Edgar seems to try to associate TD's music
to events (art = event in the contemporary perspective). If I recall, Mars
Polaris was made for the Klang Art festival. And of course, there is Inferno.
Thomas.
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From:
jerome
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 11:18
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
--- Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and
> music?
new things are being created constantly... most people tend to have a limited
view of the world, seeing only 1st world mass media/culture as having any
impact... or importance...
there is much that occurs in the world of artistic expression that is never
heard of, but is still new and/or innovative...
classical music (a prime example of 1st world mass culture) enthusiasts thought
over and over that there was no where to go and that there was nothing more
that could be original... and after every new innovation, like stravinsky, they
say 'NOW there's nothing more that can be done...'... then along comes someone
else... and someone else... like philip glass...
it's very difficult to get a perspective of historical context when your nose
is pressed to the opaque wall of the future overlaid with the thin veneer of
the present...
no fears... just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there... it is
very difficult to pick out the few drops of creative art in a vast sea of
recreative art... but when you're swimming in that sea, it's nigh impossible...
it can be said that the art that has the most influence is that which is cast
off by an artist who is only focused on achieving the very heights of his art
and not on the effect his art has on it's audience...
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From:
jerome
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 11:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
> IMHO after 30 years of constant output that's not really
> something to be ashamed of. It would be foolish to expect TD or any other
> band to still be cranking out albums where 'every nanosecond of music' is
> genius.
agreed... however, there are a few who, while not acheiving the 'every nano
second' come damn close... rush springs to mind... a constant challenge of
oneself as an artist is the only way to progress...
jerome
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
Martin: Is TD still planning on visiting Atlanta later in the year for the next
canticle? I want to make sure we don't fall of the radar screen!
-jim
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>From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
>*My wife was there... ;-)
From:
jerome
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
> and bands that obviously were/are
> not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen).
if i may be so bold, toto, while having their definite bad moments, is and was
still one of the most innovative 'pop' bands to ever grace the markt... as pop
goes, they often have some of the strongest rhythms and lasting chord
progressions...
sorry for the off topic post, but as someone must said 'attention must be
paid!'... ;)
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
> Bill's right. I also get his info on the EM list.
> It's a struggle. I just keep thinking about the starving artiest events.
> This is what it reminds me of.
Wanna see it a few more times? Join analog, beyond_em, the_ambient_way,
Analogue Heaven, AIMusic, Looper's Delight, etc. :-)
Cheers,
Bill
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:38
pm
Subject: Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 ?
Hi you all!
Just a question:
I found the Rubycon Super Audio CD some weeks ago, but I don`t own
a SACD player at the moment. Is there anybody out, who owns such
a player? How`s about the sound quality? Is it worth the high
price for the SACD? I paid approx. 50$ for that item.
See on my NEW!-page at: www.rutka.de/td
See you.
Rainer
PS: I added approx. 50 new items to my TD site. Some strange things too.
Check it out: Cassette Promos (Virgin), Italian Ultima Thule, Japan-
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:09
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
TD related to ART? Was a clue in some of my post in the past few days?
Me thinks you are right and Edgar is right to do this. A logical move in the
sea of wantabees.
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
'Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and
music?'
I am the network. You are on the network...
To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's (and I
won't digress on the fact that the whole western civilization doesn't seem
to have invented anything really new for decades and probably won't do in
the future).
Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business.
Of course, there were (and there are still) some interesting bands but true
innovation was already gone.
In a way, it is a clever move that Edgar seems to try to associate TD's
music to events (art = event in the contemporary perspective). If I recall,
Mars Polaris was made for the Klang Art festival. And of course, there is
Inferno.
Thomas.
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From:
John McIntyre
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:42
pm
Subject: soundtrack spottings
Chris Franke did the soundtrack for _The Calling_, a Rosemary's Baby rip-off
that
does add a few twists at the end that Ira Levin did not use. It's another
orchestral affair with no audible electronics.
Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and _Minority
Report_.
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
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Subject: Re: [tadream] soundtrack spottings
Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and _Minority
> Report_.
I am not sure which scenes it was but the entire score for both of them was
rather good.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John McIntyre'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: [tadream] soundtrack spottings
> Chris Franke did the soundtrack for _The Calling_, a Rosemary's Baby
rip-off that
> does add a few twists at the end that Ira Levin did not use. It's another
> orchestral affair with no audible electronics.
>
> Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and
_Minority
> Report_.
>
> John McIntyre
> Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
> Michigan State University
> mcintyre@p...
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship
We might think about switching the mailing list from Yahoo to
another server (NOT Topica, though they're on many indexes as a Spammers)
This little missive came though on another list I'm subbed to. If
Yahoo is gonna cave in and kowtow to some conservative homophobic prudes,
we might seriously think about taking our business somewhere else.
I happen to know Cabana Boy, and count many gays/lesbians in my
circle of friends and it pains me to see this happen.
On a possible solution part:
I picked up a domain name for myself (penfold.net) and another
friend of mine in the LA area, who's gonna be setting himself up a domain
hosting business within a month or so. I could inquire as to the
possibility and logistics of him hosting a mailing list for the TD Freaks
(I believe he's gonna be hosting some mailing lists, because Topica's
starting to have some problems with some listizens (including myself))
I don't know the cost, he could include it in the hosting fee for
me as a favour.
At 5:29 PM +0000 6/25/02, cabana boy wrote:
Hi ya folks,
So this morning I got a call from my friend Brian who manages the Guerrilla
Queer Bar website which is hosted by geocities/Yahoo. It seems that someone
deemed our website pornographic and deleted it without any notice.
We are not sure, but fear that our extensive archive materials are gone.
We do not believe our website contained any pornogarphic material, there
may have been a photo from a party which had some nakedness somewhere in
the archives but nothing to be considering pornographic.
We are trying to sort out what to do.
First priority is to retrieve the info. We actually have another service we
were preparing to transfer all the information to.
Second, we believe that we were subject to some conservative yank's
personal judgement against our unapologetically queer content. We want to
get the word out there that gays/lesbians/queers etc. should avoid using
yahoo and depending on the outcome of our retrieval of content we may want
to take further action.
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship
That is interesting but what if
I , who is a ISP, who have multiple Web Hosting operations, decided to plug
myself upon this list?
Who's business is nation wide dial up in over 2000 cities and several
countries considered advertising that info onto this list?
Would I do such a thing?
I have many gay friends too, I hate seeing this done. If there was nada on
the site and even if it was, they should have been told, hey this is on this
site, you need to remove it by such and such time. When I pull the plug on
no paying sites I host, I do not delete them. I simply remove the directory,
copying all the files onto a different area in case they come back with
funds due or ask me for a copy. I typically let them have it without ransom.
In fact I can't remember ransoming anything lately. Perhaps that is the
pirate needs to be let out a bit....
;-)
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'PENFOLD'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship
> We might think about switching the mailing list from Yahoo to
> another server (NOT Topica, though they're on many indexes as a Spammers)
> This little missive came though on another list I'm subbed to. If
> Yahoo is gonna cave in and kowtow to some conservative homophobic prudes,
> we might seriously think about taking our business somewhere else.
> I happen to know Cabana Boy, and count many gays/lesbians in my
> circle of friends and it pains me to see this happen.
>
> On a possible solution part:
> I picked up a domain name for myself (penfold.net) and another
> friend of mine in the LA area, who's gonna be setting himself up a domain
> hosting business within a month or so. I could inquire as to the
> possibility and logistics of him hosting a mailing list for the TD Freaks
> (I believe he's gonna be hosting some mailing lists, because Topica's
> starting to have some problems with some listizens (including myself))
> I don't know the cost, he could include it in the hosting fee for
> me as a favour.
>
> At 5:29 PM +0000 6/25/02, cabana boy wrote:
> Hi ya folks,
> So this morning I got a call from my friend Brian who manages the
Guerrilla
> Queer Bar website which is hosted by geocities/Yahoo. It seems that
someone
> deemed our website pornographic and deleted it without any notice.
>
> We are not sure, but fear that our extensive archive materials are gone.
>
> We do not believe our website contained any pornogarphic material, there
> may have been a photo from a party which had some nakedness somewhere in
> the archives but nothing to be considering pornographic.
>
> We are trying to sort out what to do.
>
> First priority is to retrieve the info. We actually have another service
we
> were preparing to transfer all the information to.
>
> Second, we believe that we were subject to some conservative yank's
> personal judgement against our unapologetically queer content. We want to
> get the word out there that gays/lesbians/queers etc. should avoid using
> yahoo and depending on the outcome of our retrieval of content we may want
> to take further action.
>
>
>
>
> Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
> mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
> Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
> 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have
the
> $$.....Damn!!!!!
> 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
> Feldman
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at:
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:06
pm
Subject: test.....please ignore
Testing.....testing
is this thing on?
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:16
pm
Subject: Yahoo Censorship
Dale,
Pretty hard to understand the gist of your last post.
I just want to see that nobody apologizes for Yahoo's tactics.
They bought out eGroups, then ran it into the ground.
They delete groups without prior notification or making any backup or data
available to the list owner.
They lock out/delete list owners so they can't administrate their own lists.
They delist groups from the directory at will.
They don't make available any e-mail, chat, or any other contact. There is
no way to file a grievance to my knowledge.
I still think the ideal venue for tadream to move to is a threaded forum
with daily e-mail digest available to those who have metered internet, but
I know it will take something drastic for people to want to do that.
I hope Joe is making backups of the list in case Yahoo decides to delete us
without warning (As they have done to hundreds of other groups with no
explanation given).
-Morgan
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] test.....please ignore
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PENFOLD'
> Testing.....testing
> is this thing on?
No it isn't................
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:02
pm
Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
> To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's
> (and I won't digress on the fact that the whole western
> civilization doesn't seem to have invented anything really new
> for decades and probably won't do in the future).
> Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business.
Okay...diving in here.
So what is 'new' or 'invented'?
Anything new is always linked to something that appeared previously, if only
in comparison or reflection.
So to say that nothing new has been developed since the 70's in music, is
fallacy to me. Maybe your perception of newness is limited by your own
prejudices or willingness to broaden your horizons. I truly believe that
the greatest inventions (esp. in music) are fueled by the attempts of others
that came before (whether 'successful' or not) but are created by the
contemporary visionaries.
Case in point:
The duo of Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, 'created' a style of music and
became known as the group Dead Can Dance. The name of the band comes from
the notion that even 'dead' things can live again, or more specifically,
'dead' music still can stir the heart. They based their musical styles on
authentic musical structures of ancient songs and rhythms, blending
historical musical artforms with current technological capabilities. They
travelled the world in search of authentic ancient instruments that they
could master as musicians and then bring into the studio (and on tour)
alongside the guitar/drums/bass/keyboards/samplers of the modern age. They
studied traditional vocal and percussive techniques from the middle east,
south america, africa, far east and native american, then created 'new'
music through their blending of old (and sometimes many different 'old')
styles and instruments with the latest in instrumentation and technique.
This to me is 'new'...this to me is visionary.
Another contemporary artist that comes to mind is Mark O'Connor. He has
taken american folk/bluegrass style instrumentation and techniques and
skillfully married them with modern classical compositions. He has blended
the genres (which were both 'old') and through skillful construction and
virtuoustic mastery of both technique and his fiddle/violin, has created
some of the most exciting 'new' classical music to come along in some time.
This to me is visionary.
Tangerine Dream was doing the same in the 70's. Taking standard musical
structures and ideas and re-creating them using the latest in contemporary
instrumentation. They paid homage to Stockhausen and Riley, threw in some
Hendrix for good measure, then stirred it up with some great Moog and
Mellotron work. Was it all entirely new? No...just the work of some
visionaries.
So I guess my point it this...'new' is funny in art and music (and most
things really), as there is rarely anything that is truly 'invented'...all
things are merely amalgams of things past and present. It is the
visionaries amongst us that breath life into the 'new'. By clearly seeing
the past and present, they can truly create the future.
Just my couple of pennies.
Craig
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoo Censorship
I am with you.
I was just poking at Penfold that there are some on this list who can do
what he was saying... just we have not had to go that route yet.
Do you Yahoo? Only because of this list, a5k sampler, EM, valley music, hey
I think that is it as I killed off the rest. Otherwise, I would have never
used Yahoo for anything...
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: [tadream] Yahoo Censorship
> Dale,
>
> Pretty hard to understand the gist of your last post.
>
> I just want to see that nobody apologizes for Yahoo's tactics.
>
> They bought out eGroups, then ran it into the ground.
>
> They delete groups without prior notification or making any backup or data
> available to the list owner.
>
> They lock out/delete list owners so they can't administrate their own
lists.
>
> They delist groups from the directory at will.
>
> They don't make available any e-mail, chat, or any other contact. There is
> no way to file a grievance to my knowledge.
>
> I still think the ideal venue for tadream to move to is a threaded forum
> with daily e-mail digest available to those who have metered internet, but
> I know it will take something drastic for people to want to do that.
>
> I hope Joe is making backups of the list in case Yahoo decides to delete
us
> without warning (As they have done to hundreds of other groups with no
> explanation given).
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Craig
For it is written, there is nada new under the sun. 'New', means most likely
new to me.
Inventions or discoveries, that is where TD art came from. I am sure for
everything we hear today, it can be compared back to something that was
before. Shall any music made from a drum be considered passé? Just how many
notes can a human ear hear? How many notes are there really anyway? How many
combinations (hint do a summation series). I don't think anyone will take
away Edgar's TD and the influence it has.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'C. Chambers'
To: 'Tadream@Y... Com'
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
>
> > To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's
> > (and I won't digress on the fact that the whole western
> > civilization doesn't seem to have invented anything really new
> > for decades and probably won't do in the future).
> > Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business.
>
>
> Okay...diving in here.
>
> So what is 'new' or 'invented'?
>
> Anything new is always linked to something that appeared previously, if
only
> in comparison or reflection.
>
> So to say that nothing new has been developed since the 70's in music, is
> fallacy to me. Maybe your perception of newness is limited by your own
> prejudices or willingness to broaden your horizons. I truly believe that
> the greatest inventions (esp. in music) are fueled by the attempts of
others
> that came before (whether 'successful' or not) but are created by the
> contemporary visionaries.
>
> Case in point:
>
> The duo of Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, 'created' a style of music and
> became known as the group Dead Can Dance. The name of the band comes from
> the notion that even 'dead' things can live again, or more specifically,
> 'dead' music still can stir the heart. They based their musical styles on
> authentic musical structures of ancient songs and rhythms, blending
> historical musical artforms with current technological capabilities. They
> travelled the world in search of authentic ancient instruments that they
> could master as musicians and then bring into the studio (and on tour)
> alongside the guitar/drums/bass/keyboards/samplers of the modern age.
They
> studied traditional vocal and percussive techniques from the middle east,
> south america, africa, far east and native american, then created 'new'
> music through their blending of old (and sometimes many different 'old')
> styles and instruments with the latest in instrumentation and technique.
> This to me is 'new'...this to me is visionary.
>
> Another contemporary artist that comes to mind is Mark O'Connor. He has
> taken american folk/bluegrass style instrumentation and techniques and
> skillfully married them with modern classical compositions. He has
blended
> the genres (which were both 'old') and through skillful construction and
> virtuoustic mastery of both technique and his fiddle/violin, has created
> some of the most exciting 'new' classical music to come along in some
time.
> This to me is visionary.
>
> Tangerine Dream was doing the same in the 70's. Taking standard musical
> structures and ideas and re-creating them using the latest in contemporary
> instrumentation. They paid homage to Stockhausen and Riley, threw in some
> Hendrix for good measure, then stirred it up with some great Moog and
> Mellotron work. Was it all entirely new? No...just the work of some
> visionaries.
>
> So I guess my point it this...'new' is funny in art and music (and most
> things really), as there is rarely anything that is truly 'invented'...all
> things are merely amalgams of things past and present. It is the
> visionaries amongst us that breath life into the 'new'. By clearly seeing
> the past and present, they can truly create the future.
>
> Just my couple of pennies.
>
> Craig
From:
thomas b
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 ?
Hi Rainer,
listened to on an SACD player, the Rubycon disc sounds
awesome! SACD is a very well performing machine, but
still it comes down to the quality of the transfer
from the original analog tapes. Rubycon happens to be
a very good transfer, in my opinion almost as good as
the original vinyl, and a lot better than any CD
version.
It has better resolution in the treble, (the old
akilles heel of CD is cured), and more grunt in the
details, yet sounds more relaxed - playing more with
ease, which ultimately makes it easier to focus on the
music rather than the sound quality.
Hope this helps, because it's just one opinion. I'm
sure somebody that doesn't like vinyl will give you a
different view. I think the SACD is great!
Thomas
--- Rainer Rutka wrote:
> Hi you all!
>
> Just a question:
>
> I found the Rubycon Super Audio CD some weeks ago,
> but I don`t own
> a SACD player at the moment. Is there anybody out,
> who owns such
> a player? How`s about the sound quality? Is it worth
> the high
> price for the SACD? I paid approx. 50$ for that
> item.
>
> See on my NEW!-page at: www.rutka.de/td
>
> See you.
>
> Rainer
>
> PS: I added approx. 50 new items to my TD site. Some
> strange things too.
> Check it out: Cassette Promos (Virgin), Italian
> Ultima Thule, Japan-
> Promos and many many more....
>
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> www.rutka.de/td
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:31
pm
Subject: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden
I've gotta tell about what happened this last Sunday:
Went to my local Kinko's to stock up on Coasters, they had TWO
boxes sitting there.
Picked up the first box and walked out.....no problem
Returned for the second box.....one of their Wage Slaves actually
followed me to my car!
I should have locked my door, because he actually OPENED the door
to my car and held it to prevent me from closing it! To actually *confront*
someone like this is so unbelievably stupid.....especially for something
that's *free*!
The guy actually had the Chutzpah to threaten to call the Cops and
waste their precious time over something that costs Kinko's $0.00 and the
customer $0.00.....and to tell me that I'm *shoplifting*
I had a few other errands to run and not much time to waste with
this so I 'Took One' coaster from the box (the second one was hidden behind
the passenger seat) and tossed the rest out onto the ground outside my
car.....if he really wanted these things back, make him work for 'em!
I'm still in the market for any unwanted CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW disks
to grow my Coaster Garden.
Contact me OFF LIST for details. All people who send me coasters
will be acknowledged by name on my web page as Patrons & Contributors!
FYI: The coaster count is just over 17,000!
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 9:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden
The guy who closed your door, could be considered a assault attack. The fact
they cost Kinkos nada and what are you shoplifting, nada, would not set
well. If you make a report in to head cheese, I bet action would be taken.
The local theaters have long given up now on the disk. The little kids grab
handfuls and out the door they go. They exist all thru out the parking lot.
The wind picks them up and they actually roll down the street.
You can get a discount via the USPS sending cd's in the mail. Tell them,
they have a special rate, gets there a few days later but it is a way to
send Penfold all the disks he can manage. I have a small collection to scare
the birds away but nada like Penfold has.. I saw some of the rods like he
uses at the local Pick & Save if anyone is interested. Just how many CD's is
illegal in this day and age where the EPA is also knocking on someone's
door.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'PENFOLD'
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster
Garden
> I've gotta tell about what happened this last Sunday:
>
> Went to my local Kinko's to stock up on Coasters, they had TWO
> boxes sitting there.
> Picked up the first box and walked out.....no problem
>
> Returned for the second box.....one of their Wage Slaves actually
> followed me to my car!
> I should have locked my door, because he actually OPENED the door
> to my car and held it to prevent me from closing it! To actually
*confront*
> someone like this is so unbelievably stupid.....especially for something
> that's *free*!
>
> The guy actually had the Chutzpah to threaten to call the Cops
and
> waste their precious time over something that costs Kinko's $0.00 and the
> customer $0.00.....and to tell me that I'm *shoplifting*
>
> I had a few other errands to run and not much time to waste with
> this so I 'Took One' coaster from the box (the second one was hidden
behind
> the passenger seat) and tossed the rest out onto the ground outside my
> car.....if he really wanted these things back, make him work for 'em!
>
> I'm still in the market for any unwanted CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW disks
> to grow my Coaster Garden.
> Contact me OFF LIST for details. All people who send me coasters
> will be acknowledged by name on my web page as Patrons & Contributors!
>
> FYI: The coaster count is just over 17,000!
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at:
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 11:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoo Censorship
At 02.06.26-14:16, Morgan Feldon wrote:
>They don't make available any e-mail, chat, or any other contact. There is
>no way to file a grievance to my knowledge.
A little update:
GQB has contacted the EFF about this incident. The EFF contacted
one of Yahoo's lawyers. That lawyer did a search and could come up with
nothing, which they were confused about because they should have had some
record of action taken against GQB. As it stands now all of the content is
gone, deleted without a trace.
GQB has also notified a journalist in the Bay Area and hopes a
story will galvanize the gay community to protest & boycott Yahoo
If you wish your displeasure be known, contact Yahoo at the
address & phone #'s below.....apparently they don't seem to give a shit and
won't read emails, but you can still try to email them at:
mailto:geo-alert@y...
Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, California 94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:52
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] soundtrack spottings
Is there any source for the Calling soundtrack besides the German Amazon
site? My translation skills have lapsed since college...
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:43 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] soundtrack spottings
Chris Franke did the soundtrack for _The Calling_, a Rosemary's Baby
rip-off that does add a few twists at the end that Ira Levin did not
use. It's another orchestral affair with no audible electronics.
Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and
_Minority Report_.
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:22
am
Subject: TD tribute by Orbital
Check out the latest cd release in the 'Back to Mine' series (you'll see it in
any of the online music shopping sites). The latest is no.10 in the series and
it features Orbital's favourite tracks. In amongst tracks from the likes of The
Selecter and PJ Harvey, Orbital have also chosen Network 23 by TD. Here's a
link about what the 'Back to Mine' series is all about:
http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/multiPageFeature.asp?currPage=0&specialClass=btm
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD tribute by Orbital
Hi
Are the tracks on this album played by Orbital or the original
artists????????????
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'colin anderson'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD tribute by Orbital
> Check out the latest cd release in the 'Back to Mine' series (you'll see it
in any of the online music shopping sites). The latest is no.10 in the series
and it features Orbital's favourite tracks. In amongst tracks from the likes of
The Selecter and PJ Harvey, Orbital have also chosen Network 23 by TD. Here's a
link about what the 'Back to Mine' series is all about:
>
>
http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/multiPageFeature.asp?currPage=0&specialClass=btm
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Phil White'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden
What the hell is this all about ?
What's it got to do with T.Dream ?
Have I entered a parallel universe ?
Perplexed Phil
From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden
YES
it started with the fish...
Kash
Vorlon
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Phil White'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster
Garden
> What the hell is this all about ?
> What's it got to do with T.Dream ?
> Have I entered a parallel universe ?
>
> Perplexed Phil
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
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6/27/2002
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Herbert
Thu
6/27/2002
3 KB
From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 3:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden & on topic TDI news!
At 07:55 27.06.02 , you wrote:
>YES
>
>it started with the fish...
>
>Kash
>Vorlon
>
>
YES?!?!? I thought this was a TD-list...
;-D sorry for the silly post, but one does need some comic relief from
office work sometimes.
BTW, to come back on topic:
Two further performances of Inferno are now confirmed:
Dates: August 23rd and 24th
Location: Burg Nideggen am Rhein, near Cologne, Germany
I will post soon where tickets can be ordered.
We are planning a show in London for autumn.
oh yes... and the new and improved TD-site will be up in the next 2 weeks.
It will feature a moderated guestbook (yay!), a forum for registered users
and a new online shop with secure credit card server - you will also be
able to order singular items, then, and will not have to purchase a package
of shirt and CD if you only want the CD.
I will keep you posted...
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden & on topic TDI news!
>
> BTW, to come back on topic:
>
> Two further performances of Inferno are now confirmed:
good news!
>
> Dates: August 23rd and 24th
> Location: Burg Nideggen am Rhein, near Cologne, Germany
bad news! almost my home but one day before my wedding in Bulgaria...
>
> I will post soon where tickets can be ordered.
>
> We are planning a show in London for autumn.
good news again.
>
> oh yes... and the new and improved TD-site will be up in the next 2 weeks.
> It will feature a moderated guestbook (yay!), a forum for registered users
> and a new online shop with secure credit card server - you will also be
> able to order singular items, then, and will not have to purchase a package
> of shirt and CD if you only want the CD.
very good news! I've got too many Tshirts, and they are far too big
(american XXXL or so)
cheers
armin
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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SUN Microsystems Ireland
'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:44
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] on topic TDI news!
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2002 17:29
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a
--------------------
> oh yes... and the new and improved TD-site will be up in the
> next 2 weeks.
> It will feature a moderated guestbook (yay!), a forum for
> registered users
> and a new online shop with secure credit card server - you
> will also be
> able to order singular items, then, and will not have to
> purchase a package
> of shirt and CD if you only want the CD.
>
> I will keep you posted...
>
>
------------------------
Fine. I order a TDI Keep CD without the booster or t-shirt stuff.
Is that ok?
Herbert
From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 6:57
pm
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G.
'Anything new is always linked to something that appeared previously, if only
in comparison or reflection.'
Ok. May be I should not have said new, but fresh or inventive or radically
new... I don't know.
It's not that I care that much for innovation in music (I actually often have
pretty common tastes) but the whole thing was about the 'post-modern age'.
Music, to talk only of that, can no longer be appreciated the same way as, say,
in the 70's because of the whole cultural context.
For exemple, apart from TD, two musicians who created something 'new' to me.
Schoenberg : Basically, he's credited for inventing serial music. Of course, he
was deeply rooted in the classical musical tradition but his works still sound
insane to many listeners today. He created in his time something really
different.
Glenn Branca : Known for his guitar symphonies. To listen to one of his pieces
for the fisrt time is a real experience. This is somenone whose works don't
sound like much you can hear by anybody else.
Now, the difference between thoses two musicians is that Schoenberg lived
during what is generally refered to as the modern age of art. Glenn Branca
lives nowdays, in the 'post-modern' world and there no such thing as a Branca
school in comparison with the second vienna school of Shoenberg, Berg and
Webern. The question that remains is : When every possibility can be accepted
as an art form, what can still be considered as new, and are we even still able
to tell a difference between new and old?
Thomas (hope I wasn't too boring)
PS (OT) : What are these posts about parallel worlds and fishes? Dick's divine
invasion?
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From:
Ken Beal
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:20
pm
Subject: TT Tree #1 for Trade
Howdy...
I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1-
8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke.
Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list.
TIA.
Bro-Ken
From:
'noir43'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:27
pm
Subject: TT #2
Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of
the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know...
ken
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From:
'mikebrowder'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:51
pm
Subject: Re: Yahoo Censorship
I certainly am not a big fan of Yahoo and their tactics, but I just did a
search of yahoo groups using the term 'gay' and got 10953 results, including
one for Gay Long-haired Cherokee Indians. Most of these appeared to have the
word 'gay' in their group name or description, so maybe it would be unfair to
assume that yoohoo is targeting gay content sites/groups for deletion. If a
geocities site had any nudity whatsoever (regardless of whether it would be
considered pornographic or not) and they find out about it, they delete the
site, no warnings given (TOS violation).
Although I have no way of knowing for sure, I would suspect yeehah decides
which groups to axe based on how much bandwidth they use compared to the amount
of $ they generate by users clicking on sponsors ads, or something like that.
mike
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>
> The question that remains is : When every possibility can be accepted
> as an art form, what can still be considered as new, and are we even
> still able to tell a difference between new and old?
Maybe I don't get it.
To me, everything is new. Every composition is new unless it is a note
for note copy, in which case it is the 'other' composition and is not
new.
Maybe I should ask: What do you mean by new?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 10:17
pm
Subject: OT: John Entwhistle of The Who died in Vegas today...
Just heard on CNN
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:23
pm
Subject: RIP John Entwistle
:_(
I was gonna see 'em on July 3rd....
--T
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RIP John Entwistle
Seems you might have to wait a bit longer.
A sad day. But one we all must face.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [tadream] RIP John Entwistle
>
> :_(
>
> I was gonna see 'em on July 3rd....
>
> --T
>
>
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>
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: John Entwhistle of The Who died in Vegas today...
At 02.06.27-18:17, Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid wrote:
>Just heard on CNN
I just heard from another list i'm on.....they're already
composing Haiku in tribute.
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 1:11
am
Subject: The Keep
I got my tape. Started watching it last night. I was wondering... just what
is the deal now? Who owns the rights to the movie and the sound track? I
think what I seen so far is a good story line, I was wondering... what if it
was redone..???
dale
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:12
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree 1
>Ken Beal posted:
>
>Howdy...
>
>I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1-
>8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke.
>
>Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list.
>
>TIA.
And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of
postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a
concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree.
The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so other
people have to take up the slack. :)
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:15
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2
>noir43 asked:
>
>Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of
>the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know...
>
>ken
You are encouraged to sign up on the tree at http://www.tadream.net/tree/
Not all requests/signups to be a branch will be assumed this time. Branches
will be chosen based on who is least busy/most able to get the Tree
distributed.
Joe Shoults is coordinating with other members of the list to make sure
that the Tree is balanced.
-Morgan
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: John Entwistle
Completely off topic but for those TD fans who love
rock & roll... The coolest bass player ever has passed
on. RIP 'Ox'.
I actually just got a cd copy of Who's Next for
Father's Day... life is a funny duck.
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1
Yes, this is a true statement. If you don't have a copy, I would highly
recommend getting one (set of disks). This is like unearthing a rare
treasure. It is true that not every track will please you (it might some).
The next tree is a must have too.
Depends on your view, if you like to see how some of the music came into
being (finial version) you will need to hear these disks. The only thing I
own close to this type is some early Beetles i.e. Strawberry Fields CD's. I
found them very educational in how concepts come to a finial version.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:12 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1
>
> >Ken Beal posted:
> >
> >Howdy...
> >
> >I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol.
1-
> >8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke.
> >
> >Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list.
> >
> >TIA.
>
> And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of
> postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a
> concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree.
>
> The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so
other
> people have to take up the slack. :)
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] John Entwistle
Some info sent to me from one of the local stations
Dale,
John Entwistle, the founding bass player for the WHO was found dead in his
hotel room today. The group was scheduled to kick off their American tour
on tomorrow in Las Vegas.
The show on Saturday (6/29) at the Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre in Irvine
and the show at the Hollywood Bowl on Monday (7/1) have been canceled.
We're checking on refund information for those of you that bought tickets,
and when we get that information, we'll post it on the KLOS Web site at
www.955klos.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: [tadream] John Entwistle
> Completely off topic but for those TD fans who love
> rock & roll... The coolest bass player ever has passed
> on. RIP 'Ox'.
> I actually just got a cd copy of Who's Next for
> Father's Day... life is a funny duck.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the
> price of postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled
> to find a concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree.
Are you speaking for yourself, Morgan?
I've traded TT for b&p only when my leaf doesn't have a show (not
necessarily TD), and I've also traded for commercial CDs. Here's what I
think is fair:
1 recorded CDR for 4 blanks (that's 1 blank in exch. plus 3 more), or
1 recorded CDR for 1 recorded CDR, or
3 recorded CDRs for 1 commercial CD.
And if discs go in both directions, then I don't ask for postage -- it's
a wash -- but if recorded CDRs go only in one direction (i.e., if I buy
the blanks and merely get reimbursed) then I do expect postage for
sending the recorded CDRs.
One last point: I only make gold discs and expect only gold blanks in
return (about 60 cents each, except that Kodak has a 30 cent deal until
they run out).
I'd like to read what other people think.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
> Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of
> the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know...
Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR
copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done
with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which
will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with me
in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending out all
my 375 discs.
Heiko
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 7:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR
> copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done
> with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which
> will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with
> me in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending
> out all my 375 discs.
375 discs?!! Now I feel really guilty for only handling two leaves!
Maff
_______________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1
Hi
IMO the idea behind TT was to make some of the 'goodies' available to all
TD-fans, not for profits, but for pure interest in TD. This should be kept
FREE, not for own personal gain.
And remember price of postage and CDR's can be very different from country
to country. I know Europe have high prices in postage and not sure about the
rest of Europe, but here in Denmark we recently had some extra taxes on CDR's,
because of all the piracy going on.
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the
> > price of postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled
> > to find a concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree.
>
> Are you speaking for yourself, Morgan?
>
> I've traded TT for b&p only when my leaf doesn't have a show (not
> necessarily TD), and I've also traded for commercial CDs. Here's what I
> think is fair:
>
> 1 recorded CDR for 4 blanks (that's 1 blank in exch. plus 3 more), or
> 1 recorded CDR for 1 recorded CDR, or
> 3 recorded CDRs for 1 commercial CD.
>
> And if discs go in both directions, then I don't ask for postage -- it's
> a wash -- but if recorded CDRs go only in one direction (i.e., if I buy
> the blanks and merely get reimbursed) then I do expect postage for
> sending the recorded CDRs.
>
> One last point: I only make gold discs and expect only gold blanks in
> return (about 60 cents each, except that Kodak has a 30 cent deal until
> they run out).
>
> I'd like to read what other people think.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
> 375 discs?!! Now I feel really guilty for only handling two leaves!
>
> Maff
You and me both. I just changed my entry from branch to leaf, because of a lot
of work..............
Jan
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 1:30
pm
Subject: Nideggen update + Info
Hi Y'all,
here´s the official info on the Inferno-shows at Burg Nideggen:
Tangerine Dream to perform 'Inferno' at Medieval Castle.
It is now officially confirmed that Tangerine Dream will perform 'Inferno'
at the 'Festspiele Burg Nideggen', in the scenic location of the yard of
the Medieval castle of the town of Nideggen. Nideggen is in the Rhineland
and the nearest big city and airport is Cologne.
There will be two shows:
- Friday, August 23rd, 9 p.m.
- Saturday, August 24th, 9 p.m.
There will be an optional third show on Saturday, August 24th, midnight, if
both shows are sold out.
Tickets can be ordered at: www.ticketonline.de
Info on Nideggen: www.nideggen.de
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Slowing down
Perhaps they could follow the tradition of Japanese
Ukiyo-e masters. You would study with a master
learning the craft and when you, in turn, became a
master you would adopt part of your master's name and
always be associated with his tradition:
Utagawa Toyokuni
--> Kuniyoshi
--> Yoshitoshi
etc.
I think some of the Dreamwatchers 'guild' could be
considered part of the TD school and it would be fun
to play with a linear naming convtion. Are there any
good nicknames EF has gone by?
TD fans may want to check out the Ukiyo-e woodblock
printes of Kuniyoshi and Yoshitoshi, unlike the more
popular (western) prints of Edo and Samurai etc. they
dealt with the fantastic and bizarre. I'm sure that
attitudes towards their work may have paralleled how
TD was viewed.
These printes were mass produced for the general
public but are soemwhat rare now and highly sought
after by collectors - much like TD
DanD
--- Liondream@a... wrote:
> In the 'old days' of the medieval guild systems,
> Tangerine Dream would be an entity of synthesists at
> various stages of growth, and Edgar would be the
> master at their head. Perhaps at the bottom of the
> scale, a young aspirant would start off by learning
> how to archive stuff, work their way up to learning
> how to sample and set loop points, program sounds,
> then do a bass sequence, etc., and eventually rise
> into the 'upper ranks' and be able to perform live
> as T.D. Then when someone left to start their own
> guild (like C.F., etc.), there would be others ready
> to fill their place.
>
> When doing a soundtrack, Edgar would come in to
> sketch out a few ideas, then come back to evaluate,
> perhaps lay down a couple lead lines, and bless the
> thing before it went out.
>
> Kind of like Michael Hague the illutrator.
>
> Or Hans Zimmer.
>
> Hmm, maybe T.D. needs to be set up like a wizard's
> school!
>
> :-)
>
>
> << Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:18:41 +0200
> From: Paul Fellows
> Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000
> words...
>
> on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at
> lawlermusic@b... wrote:
>
>
> > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from
> tree projects life in the
> > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I
> was his age, normal that
> he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But
> let's not forget that they
> were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and
> the 2 before it...
>
> the other Paul>>>
>
>
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nideggen update + Info
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> Hi Y'all,
> here´s the official info on the Inferno-shows at Burg Nideggen:
> Tangerine Dream to perform 'Inferno' at Medieval Castle.
> - Saturday, August 24th, 9 p.m.
I got my ticket for Saturday!!
C U all?
Rainer
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:41
pm
Subject: WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
Hi!
This is something like a warning to you all.
I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the last months
a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on the market.
This - new - version is a counterfeit !
=======================================
I know, the original Manikin release sometimes reaches a price of more than
150 US $! But now, you will find this fake on Ebay for the same amount
of money. This is why I wrote this warning.
Don`t pay overdrawn prices for this fake. It's a rip-off!
If you want to see the difference, click onto my homepage at:
www.rutka.de/td -> NEW!
Again: Do not pay too much money for this fake!
And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!!
Rainer
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
www.rutka.de/td
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 1:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
Heiko, you are an absolute hero!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Sawyer
To:
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
> From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
>
> > Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR
> > copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost
done
> > with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions
which
> > will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with
> > me in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending
> > out all my 375 discs.
>
>
> 375 discs?!! Now I feel really guilty for only handling two leaves!
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
> www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
> www.mst3uk.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Ken Beal
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:59
pm
Subject: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography
Good Day All,
I know there are many great sources on the web for info on Tangerine Dream
ROIO's.
Are there are for Klaus Schulze? If you are aware of any good sites that
have info please advise.
I am just trying to complete venues, setlists, etc. for the few I have (but
always looking for more...hint...hint...)
TIA,
Ken
PS: Sorry for the crosspost, just trying to reach as many people as
possible.
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
So in short, your new business is CD Duplicating and Mastering?
;-)
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2
>
>
> > Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of
> > the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know...
>
> Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR
> copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done
> with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which
> will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with
me
> in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending out
all
> my 375 discs.
>
> Heiko
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:51
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Juni 2002 17:42
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on
> Ebay!!!
>
>
> Hi!
>
> This is something like a warning to you all.
>
> I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the
> last months
> a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on
> the market.
>
> This - new - version is a counterfeit !
> =======================================
...................
> And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!!
>
I greatly agree with Rainer. TDI - you are preparing the market for such
faked releases.
Please STOP that market.
It's on your hands (and only on your hands).
There are bootleged/faked versions of:
- The Keep
- L'affaire Wallraff
- Macula Transfer
and what ever else is floating on that market.
They are produced and on the market, because you (TDI or whoever owns the
rights on these recordings) do keep them rare and the prices up.
If there would be official releases at a reasonalbe price available the
profits for those, who produce such faked versions, would drop.
Thanks
Herbert
PS: Legalize TD for the fans :)))))
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From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography
What is ROIO?
Schulze sites: www.klaus-schulze.de
www.rainhorse.de
Friday, June 28, 2002, 7:59:02 PM, you wrote:
KB> Good Day All,
KB> I know there are many great sources on the web for info on Tangerine Dream
KB> ROIO's.
KB> Are there are for Klaus Schulze? If you are aware of any good sites that
KB> have info please advise.
KB> I am just trying to complete venues, setlists, etc. for the few I have (but
KB> always looking for more...hint...hint...)
KB> TIA,
KB> Ken
KB> PS: Sorry for the crosspost, just trying to reach as many people as
KB> possible.
KB> ----------------------------------------------------_-
KB> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
KB> ----------------------------------------------------_-
KB> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
KB> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
KB> Tangerine Tree info at
KB> http://www.tadream.net/tree
KB> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From:
'noir43'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:24
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 1
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Ken Beal posted:
> >
> >Howdy...
> >
> >I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10
disc set (Vol. 1-
> >8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke.
> >
> >Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list.
> >
> >TIA.
>
> And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with
only the price of
> postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel
compelled to find a
> concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree.
>
> The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do
it, so other
> people have to take up the slack. :)
>
> -Morgan
Howdy All...
Isn't a trade the same as BnP? I mean the person getting the
tree is still providing the discs and postage to the one who has
the tree. He is just copying something on to the discs before he
sends them. The price is the same. The only thing he is 'out' is
time and how long does it take to put a disc in a recorder, click a
program to start and then take the disc out of the recorder? One
does not just sit there watching the computer screen while the
copying is happening. (Do they?) Do something else!!!
It's half a dozen of one; six of the other...same-o same-o..
And besides, what's the harm in increasing a collection by 'both'
people. The music is being preserved and more tunes are going
into the pipeline to be spread around.
I have been collecting TD for years, but only recently have I
started to amass a collection of mainstream acts (Dylan,
Springsteen, Genesis, Pink Floyd, etc.) and less than main
streem performers. Through a variety of mailing lists (just like
tadream) I have discovered genres of music and artists I had
only 'heard' about, but never actually heard. Now my curiosity has
been quenched and I have gained a broader picture of the music
scene of today and well as yesterday.
With that said. if there is anyone on this list who is interested in
viewing my trade list, with the possibility of trading ROIO's, then
here is the link:
http://members.directvinternet.com/~noir43/
Thank you for your time and patience.
Ken
From:
'noir43'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:26
pm
Subject: Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography
ROIO is another way of saying 'bootleg'
stands for: Recording Of Inderterminate Origin...
--- In tadream@y..., Szatmari Pal wrote:
> What is ROIO?
>
> Schulze sites: www.klaus-schulze.de
> www.rainhorse.de
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography
Szatmari Pal wrote:
>
> What is ROIO?
ROIO = Record of Illegitimate/Indeterminate Origin.
Antonio
P.S. The last time someone posted this question on the other list
(tangerinedream) I asked twice but my messages never showed up. Let's
see what happens on THIS list :-)
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:27
pm
Subject: Tree + Klaus Shulze
Noir, I wasn't trying to shut down trades. I just hate to hear people say
'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent to
trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 and 60% of the crummy
12th generation fantapes people have been suffering with have been replaced
with 1st and 2nd generation professionally mastered CDs, there won't be
anything to trade with anyway.
As far as Klaus Shulze and ROIO,
Instead of bootleg or other names like that which have the negative
*profitable* connotation, use the word 'fan tape'. You'll get a lot more
mileage. That said, Klaus has released pretty much every show on his boxed
sets of 25, 50, and 100 discs. Rumor is he's releasing another box this fall.
-Morgan
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From:
'noir43'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:33
pm
Subject: Re: Tree + Klaus Shulze
Hey, If someone wants copies of what I have and has nothing to
trade, I am more than willing to do BnP (that''s how I got started).
My apologies to one and all...my notice should not have said
'trade only.'
Ken
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
> Noir, I wasn't trying to shut down trades. I just hate to hear
people say
> 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent
to
> trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 and 60%
of the crummy
> 12th generation fantapes people have been suffering with have
been replaced
> with 1st and 2nd generation professionally mastered CDs,
there won't be
> anything to trade with anyway.
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree + Klaus Shulze
Trading is fine... That is if you have something to trade. I don't think
that has to a must with the tree nor should it be. Just send some extra
blank disk and some funds for the postage.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tree + Klaus Shulze
> Noir, I wasn't trying to shut down trades. I just hate to hear people say
> 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent to
> trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 and 60% of the
crummy
> 12th generation fantapes people have been suffering with have been
replaced
> with 1st and 2nd generation professionally mastered CDs, there won't be
> anything to trade with anyway.
>
> As far as Klaus Shulze and ROIO,
>
> Instead of bootleg or other names like that which have the negative
> *profitable* connotation, use the word 'fan tape'. You'll get a lot more
> mileage. That said, Klaus has released pretty much every show on his boxed
> sets of 25, 50, and 100 discs. Rumor is he's releasing another box this
fall.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:57
pm
Subject: ukiyo-e
Dan,
I really like this idea. I like the idea of learning from a teacher, then
taking that knowledge a step further, then passing it on to someone else, etc.
Life is so short as it is, and sometimes a good teacher can show you in five
minutes something that might otherwise take five years to realize. That five
years saved can be five years spent perfecting your art on much higher levels.
Kind of like the synthesizer Jedi's or something!
Keeping the tradition alive.
Being a part of and serving a tradition like that would be a very great honor.
The idea in my original message (which perhaps I didn't articulate in the most
ideal manner) stemmed from thoughts related to art. This is how artists were
trained in the west as well as in the east. I had a little taste of this sort
of infrastucture for learning when I studied illumination and tempera
techniques.
Ukiyo-e can be a very good source of inspiration in many ways.
Of course there are as many kinds of art as there are artists, and while a
'school' may be appropriate for one artist's personal journey, it may be
completely inappropriate for anothers. Your mileage may vary!
:-)
<<
Subject: Re: Slowing down
Perhaps they could follow the tradition of Japanese
Ukiyo-e masters. You would study with a master
learning the craft and when you, in turn, became a
master you would adopt part of your master's name and
always be associated with his tradition:
Utagawa Toyokuni
--> Kuniyoshi
--> Yoshitoshi
etc.
I think some of the Dreamwatchers 'guild' could be
considered part of the TD school and it would be fun
to play with a linear naming convtion. Are there any
good nicknames EF has gone by?
TD fans may want to check out the Ukiyo-e woodblock
printes of Kuniyoshi and Yoshitoshi, unlike the more
popular (western) prints of Edo and Samurai etc. they
dealt with the fantastic and bizarre. I'm sure that
attitudes towards their work may have paralleled how
TD was viewed.
These printes were mass produced for the general
public but are soemwhat rare now and highly sought
after by collectors - much like TD
DanD>>>
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:15
pm
Subject: Legalize TD for the Fans
Well, for soundtracks, I guess the first and foremost question would be one of
rights.
The second issue is that maybe it would not be economically feasible to widely
rerelease some of the more obscure titles like the ones you listed. Though they
would certainly be very exciting for those of us on this list to have, I
imagine it might be a bit of a challenge to try and get the buyers for some of
the mundane 'record stores' to carry these items. As it is, I tend to find more
and more big gaping holes where the T.D. cds used to be at many of these places.
BUT...
If the suggestion was ever put forth to release some of the more obscure albums
as part of a limited subscription series directly from TDI, I would sign up for
that.
Granted, the end user prices for something stemming from such a limited and
'custom' run might be higher than purchasing a regular cd, but I think I would
be willing to pay higher for something like that. It would certainly be a lot
cheaper than some of the prices appearing on ebay.
I don't know about the technical aspects of such a proposition. For example, if
I was TD and put out money to produce said cds for a subscription and then
people backed out leaving me with a pile of cds and no money. Money that could
have been used to produce another project.
So, this may or may not be a stupid idea.
<<
Subject: AW: WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Juni 2002 17:42
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on
> Ebay!!!
>
>
> Hi!
>
> This is something like a warning to you all.
>
> I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the
> last months
> a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on
> the market.
>
> This - new - version is a counterfeit !
> =======================================
...................
> And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!!
>
I greatly agree with Rainer. TDI - you are preparing the market for such
faked releases.
Please STOP that market.
It's on your hands (and only on your hands).
There are bootleged/faked versions of:
- The Keep
- L'affaire Wallraff
- Macula Transfer
and what ever else is floating on that market.
They are produced and on the market, because you (TDI or whoever owns the
rights on these recordings) do keep them rare and the prices up.
If there would be official releases at a reasonalbe price available the
profits for those, who produce such faked versions, would drop.
Thanks
Herbert
PS: Legalize TD for the fans :)))))>>>
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:19
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Legalize TD for the Fans
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juni 2002 00:16
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Legalize TD for the Fans
..........
> I don't know about the technical aspects of such a
> proposition. For example, if I was TD and put out money to
> produce said cds for a subscription and then people backed
> out leaving me with a pile of cds and no money. Money that
> could have been used to produce another project.
>
> So, this may or may not be a stupid idea.
>
>
The ones producing the fakes DO invest their money (i would expect nearly
the same amount as TDI would have to).
( Do they use fortune capital? :)))) )
I would expect they've calculated the ROI very well and are about to make
their deal as long as the holders of the copyright hestitate.
(as usual: only my 2 cents - or less)
Herbert
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:31
pm
Subject: Re THE KEEP: Read the Book
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:11:48 -0700 'Admin' writes:
>I got my tape. Started watching it last night. [. . .]
>I think what I seen so far is a good story line, I was
>wondering... what if it was redone..???
Don't bother speculating about it. Just read the
book, instead. It's really good. Much better than the
movie.
>dale
-- Steven Feldman
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it,
you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 2:10
am
Subject: New Roedelius CD
This item might not be completely pertinent to this yahoogroup, but since
some of you know who Hans-Joachim Roedelius is, and since he played an
indirect role in the very early days of TD -- he cofounded the Zodiak Free
Arts lab -- I thought I'd post this news here:
We at Horizon Music have just released the latest CD from Roedelius, entitled
'Selfportrait VIII - Introspection'. This album contains soothing, peaceful
electronic music and is dedicated to all innocent victims of terrorist
attacks and wars throughout the world. 'Introspection' is now for sale via
the Horizon Music Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. MP3 samples from this disc
are also available for downloading from our site.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my mind clear. And of
course, it's also a question of definition and subjectivity.
My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll or EM were once new.
For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that seemed to come out
almost from nowhere. But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging
in the same direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school.
Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which is good. But
it seems that there are not so many musicians any more converging in one
direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem to be just a other subdivision
or an evolution of an existing genre (like say, new metal). + the big business
makes nothing to promote creativity...
Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics' in record
stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of stuff.
Thomas.
----Message réexpédié----
>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: Mark Filipak
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:58:18 -0400
>Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
>
>thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>>
>> The question that remains is : When every possibility can be accepted
>> as an art form, what can still be considered as new, and are we even
>> still able to tell a difference between new and old?
>
>Maybe I don't get it.
>
>To me, everything is new. Every composition is new unless it is a note
>for note copy, in which case it is the 'other' composition and is not
>new.
>
>Maybe I should ask: What do you mean by new?
>
>Ciao -- Mark
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 6:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Hi Thomas!
thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>
> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my mind clear.
> And of course, it's also a question of definition and subjectivity.
> My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll or EM were once new.
There is new music being made in these genres all the time.
I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For example:
If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral music?
If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers, is it
jazz or is it EM?
Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus)
consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or
indo-classical or any other recognizable genre?
> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that seemed to
> come out almost from nowhere.
Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely the
re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in the art
nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm sure some
would trace it back to the Precambrian!
> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the same
> direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school.
Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre? If so,
what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other music?
Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS?
How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it depend
upon the instruments that are used?
When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world, will BS
cease to exist?
If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen to
it, is it music?
> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which is
> good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more
> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem to
> be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre (like
> say, new metal).
Was there ever such a time?
> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity...
~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky. Big
business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big business wants
commodities, not art. In art, big business is immiscible. When big
business acquires art it turns it into a commodity.
Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of becoming big,
after which point it punishes creativity.
Or am I just being cynical?
> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics'
> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of
> stuff.
Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision (some
of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is stochastic music,
music? If a piece is computer generated from microtones, is it music?
When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out of his paint spattered canvases
was he acting as an artist or as a critic?
You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite ten
examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi pure' Berlin
School compositions). What do they have in common? Report back to the
class when you are done.
Class dismissed. -- Mark
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:04
pm
Subject: Elec. Med.
Hello everyone,
I've finally bought Electronic Meditation yesterday! And I think I like it a
lot! Am I way too sick? ;)
The best comparison here is a sound similar to Ash Ra Tempel's first album, but
more varied, certainly. Something a bit like Alpha Centauri but way more
chaotic; actually, there's pretty much no sight of any kind of structure in
Electronic Meditation. In Alpha Centauri you already have something like a
structure...
I got the Relativity version, and the sound quality is quite bad every now and
then. Is the remastered any better?
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Moods
Liondream@a... [25/06/2002 13:24] dijo/said:
>Moods...
>
>Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm acknowledging
that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though I have thought
about it a lot)...
>
>In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would create
the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that mood would
then transpire in the listener accordingly.
>[...]
Please explain to me what is an 'objective' piece of art.
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography
Finally! Finally! another mystery of the universe finally solved ;)
you know, that makes an interesting track name! a 2002 version of Origin of
Supernatural Probabilities? ;)
>ROIO is another way of saying 'bootleg'
>
>stands for: Recording Of Inderterminate Origin...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree + Klaus Shulze
>(...) I just hate to hear people say 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I
didn't have anything decent to trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say,
Tree #8 (...)
Tree 8? Hell. Seems like I'll have to add another SHELF to expand my CD
collection...
maybe I should consider buying myself an apartment already ;)
>That said, Klaus has released pretty much every show on his boxed
>sets of 25, 50, and 100 discs. Rumor is he's releasing another box this fall.
>-Morgan
Box of 100 CDs? Are you sure? I've never heard of that. Only if it's breaking
news. And another box... oh well. I love KS's music but unfortunately my money
is short for all that...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 11:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1
Morgan Feldon [27/06/2002 23:25] dijo/said:
>
>>Ken Beal posted:
>>
>>Howdy...
>>
>>I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1-
>>8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke.
>>
>>Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list.
>>
>>TIA.
>
>And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of
>postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a
>concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree.
>
>The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so other
>people have to take up the slack. :)
So, who do I send the money to?
Due to being very busy at the time, I missed the Tangerine Tree
discussion and all (I barely skimmed at the mails related to it) and now
I feel guilty about it.
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
You can get original Okefenokee 2001 CDs directly from me in the USA.
They cost $14.00 plus $2.00 postage in USA, $3.00 Canada or $4.00 everywhere
else.
You can see the CD cover at http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm
I am also selling the current Star Sounds Orchestra CDs and compilations
too.
Sorry for the off topic post, but I'll get back to my Inferno concert report
for June 15th, 2002 once I get caught up with all my e-mails that piled up
over vacation.
Vic
tangerinedream@a...
----- Original Message -----
From: E Neal Frost
To: ;
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs
> Hello All,
>
> I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit,
with
> a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release
from
> Okee 2001 for sale?
>
> Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from?
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:51
am
Subject: Huge Shoe Sale
Happening now on tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com
Ciao -- Mark
From:
René Brenner
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med.
On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 19:04:27 -0300, Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've finally bought Electronic Meditation yesterday! And I think I like it a
lot! Am I way too sick? ;)
>
> The best comparison here is a sound similar to Ash Ra Tempel's first album,
but more varied, certainly. Something a bit like Alpha Centauri but way more
chaotic; actually, there's pretty much no sight of any kind of structure in
Electronic Meditation. In Alpha Centauri you already have something like a
structure...
>
> I got the Relativity version, and the sound quality is quite bad every now
and then. Is the remastered any better?
>
I thought the Relativity version is the remastered one? The original came from
Virgin with those squares on the cd cover.
Rene
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med.
No, I'm talking about the 1996 Castle Communications remaster.
>> I got the Relativity version, and the sound quality is quite bad every now
and then. Is the remastered any better?
>
>I thought the Relativity version is the remastered one? The original came from
Virgin with those squares on the cd cover.
>Rene
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1396
In a message dated 6/30/2002 12:27:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Liondream@a... [25/06/2002 13:24] dijo/said:
> >Moods...
> >
> >Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm
> acknowledging that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though
> I have thought about it a lot)...
> >
> >In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would
> create the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that
> mood would then transpire in the listener accordingly.
> >[...]
>
> Please explain to me what is an 'objective' piece of art.
My definition based on my understanding of the meaning - defined in the last
sentence that you quoted.
:-)
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Counterfeit version of THE MAN INSIDE! 2nd warning!
Hi (again)!
Bacause of the great response of my last posting of the counterfeit
and legit CD release of Froese's Macula Transfer (20 emails, approx.
150 clicks in one day) I submitted a second TRUE/FALSE-version page
onto my side.
It is about the 'L`Affaire Wallraff / The Man Inside' CD release which
appeared on the market. This version is hardy diffent to the original
version. But: The matrix number is not the same.
See all on: www.rutka.de/td -> NEW!
Again (to all Ebayers): Don`t pay to much for this illegally release!
Rainer
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Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:44
pm
Subject: last day with offers
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please visit: www.opticaldream.de/ART/Shop.htm my CD online shop.
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Ah, Mark, catching me with my own trap!
About this :
'If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen to it, is
it music?'
How do you define 'no one' exactly? :)
Of course there are many fascinating questions to discuss. For exemple, the
definition of music itself. But even if it is a convenient convention, making a
difference between classical, modern and post-modern ages in art still makes
sense to me. Partly because the cultural context changes the way we look at our
past, our present and our future. And those days, novelty sounds pretty much
just like a promotional argument for a new brand of cereals to me.
May be it's me, may be it's not.
Anyway, I didn't do my homework... but it's not my fault! You can even ask mom!
Please don't punish me. :)
Thomas.
----Message réexpédié----
>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: Mark Filipak
>Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:41:26 -0400
>Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
>
>Hi Thomas!
>
>thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my mind clear.
>> And of course, it's also a question of definition and subjectivity.
>> My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll or EM were once new.
>
>There is new music being made in these genres all the time.
>
>I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For example:
>
>If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral music?
>
>If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers, is it
>jazz or is it EM?
>
>Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus)
>consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or
>indo-classical or any other recognizable genre?
>
>> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that seemed to
>> come out almost from nowhere.
>
>Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely the
>re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in the art
>nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm sure some
>would trace it back to the Precambrian!
>
>> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the same
>> direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school.
>
>Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre? If so,
>what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other music?
>
>Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS?
>
>How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it depend
>upon the instruments that are used?
>
>When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world, will BS
>cease to exist?
>
>If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen to
>it, is it music?
>
>> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which is
>> good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more
>> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem to
>> be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre (like
>> say, new metal).
>
>Was there ever such a time?
>
>> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity...
>
>~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky. Big
>business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big business wants
>commodities, not art. In art, big business is immiscible. When big
>business acquires art it turns it into a commodity.
>
>Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of becoming big,
>after which point it punishes creativity.
>
>Or am I just being cynical?
>
>> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics'
>> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of
>> stuff.
>
>Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision (some
>of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is stochastic music,
>music? If a piece is computer generated from microtones, is it music?
>When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out of his paint spattered canvases
>was he acting as an artist or as a critic?
>
>You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite ten
>examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi pure' Berlin
>School compositions). What do they have in common? Report back to the
>class when you are done.
>
>Class dismissed. -- Mark
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From:
Kevin Keller
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 10:39
pm
Subject: New CD 'Across the Sky' + Free Music
*** NEW CD now at AMAZON****
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ALBUM REVIEW
'Across the Sky effectively cross-pollinates the atmospheric qualities
of the best ambient and space music with the structural qualities of
classical music. It is melodic yet textural, lyrical yet kinetic, and
harmonically more complex than most ambient music could ever be.
Images of the natural world subtly weave themselves into Keller's music;
the natural ambience often recalls starry nights melting away to dawn.
Keller plays piano and keyboards, providing the sonic constellations
over which Tania Simoncelli's very spacious cello and Mark Fassett's
discreet bass play.
The entire recording is excellent, but the trio is at their best in the
two extended suites- Across the Sky, and Six Echoes of Summer/The
Blossoms of Change - the former with its effervescent quality, and the
latter with its more dramatic style and rich chromaticism.
Kevin Keller's brilliant new CD evokes many emotions - and like
filaments stretching across the musical landscape, they seemingly weave
their way across the sky.'
-Steve Davis, Associate Producer/Hearts of Space
****FREE MUSIC at the LISTENING STATION****
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partnership. Visit the Soundtracks page for more information.
Thank you for your continuing support and encouragement.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 10:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>
> Ah, Mark, catching me with my own trap!
> About this :
> > 'If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen
> > to it, is it music?'
> How do you define 'no one' exactly? :)
~LOL~ I'm not telling. Null's the word. 8^)
> Of course there are many fascinating questions to discuss. For
> exemple, the definition of music itself. But even if it is a
> convenient convention, making a difference between classical,
> modern and post-modern ages in art still makes sense to me.
> Partly because the cultural context changes the way we look at
> our past, our present and our future. And those days, novelty
> sounds pretty much just like a promotional argument for a new
> brand of cereals to me. May be it's me, may be it's not.
Let's not talk about talking about genres. Let's really talk about
genres.
You used the common term 'Berlin School'. We all use it. Well, what is
Berlin School?
Progressive Rock has a specific definition (well, pretty specific). I'm
not a muso, but it has something to do with R'n'R that has a specific
time signature -- is it 5/4? When you hear that particular sort of off
speed yet syncopated beat you say, 'Oi! That's prog!' Am I right?
If (most) music has melody, harmony, and rhythm parts that are each
played by differring instruments, but if BS uses sequencers to supply a
combination melody-rhythmn part, and if that is unique to BS, and if you
agree with that, then perhaps that is a start towards describing what BS
is.
Shall we continue with this?
> Anyway, I didn't do my homework... but it's not my fault! You can even ask
mom! Please don't punish me. :)
>
> Thomas.
>
> ----Message réexpédié----
> >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >De: Mark Filipak
> >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:41:26 -0400
> >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
> >
> >Hi Thomas!
> >
> >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my
> >> mind clear. And of course, it's also a question of definition
> >> and subjectivity. My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll
> >> or EM were once new.
> >
> > There is new music being made in these genres all the time.
> >
> > I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For
> > example:
> >
> > If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral
> > music?
> >
> > If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers,
> > is it jazz or is it EM?
> >
> > Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus)
> > consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or
> > indo-classical or any other recognizable genre?
> >
> >> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that
> >> seemed to come out almost from nowhere.
> >
> > Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely
> > the re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in
> > the art nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm
> > sure some would trace it back to the Precambrian!
> >
> >> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the
> >> same direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school.
> >
> > Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre?
> > If so, what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other
> > music?
> >
> > Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS?
> >
> > How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it
> > depend upon the instruments that are used?
> >
> > When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world,
> > will BS cease to exist?
> >
> > If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to
> > listen to it, is it music?
> >
> >> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which
> >> is good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more
> >> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem
> >> to be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre
> >> (like say, new metal).
> >
> > Was there ever such a time?
> >
> >> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity...
> >
> > ~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky.
> > Big business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big
> > business wants commodities, not art. In art, big business is
> > immiscible. When big business acquires art it turns it into a
> > commodity.
> >
> > Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of
> > becoming big, after which point it punishes creativity.
> >
> > Or am I just being cynical?
> >
> >> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics'
> >> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of
> >> stuff.
> >
> > Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision
> > (some of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is
> > stochastic music, music? If a piece is computer generated from
> > microtones, is it music? When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out
> > of his paint spattered canvases was he acting as an artist or as a
> > critic?
> >
> > You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite
> > ten examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi
> > pure' Berlin School compositions). What do they have in common?
> > Report back to the class when you are done.
> >
> > Class dismissed. -- Mark
From:
Vince LeGrand
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: Soundscapes #2 - Ministry of Inside Things
Just wanted to say a few words about Soundscapes #2 last week....
I attended the Ministry of Inside Things (MOIT) performance at last week's
Soundscapes concert in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. It was hosted by WDIY-FM
and, in particular, fellow list member, Bill Fox.
The evening began with a great buffet catered by Chef Jeff. Prior to the
show and during the intermission, Tom Shaw performed in the lobby area of
the Icehouse. I wasn't familiar with Tom's music, but I must say I really
enjoyed it. He played primarily guitar used with synths and effects. A
very good lead-in to the MOIT performance.
After Chef Jeff filled our stomaches, MOIT proceeded to fill our heads with
2 sets of great electronic music. Each set was a single piece of music
lasting for about an hour. Each set included multiple segments of
sequencer-driven, classic Berlin School music between sections of slowly
developing layers of sound. Art Cohen (guitar) clearly showed that the
electric guitar has a solid place in electronic music. I have all the MOIT
CD's (there are 3...and they seemed to sell well in the lobby), and I never
realized how much of the sound that I heard from MOIT was coming from Art's
guitar.
The venue for the show was the Icehouse which is an old brick building with
a high ceiling. The audience was seated in a few rows of seats just about
20 feet in front of the performers. The natural reverberation of the
building complemented the music very nicely.
I am definitely looking forward to the next Soundscapes concert. As it
seems with all electronic music concerts, the crowd was not very large.
But, it was an enthusiastic bunch who all really seemed to enjoy the
evening. How much more fun can you have for $15 than to get a great buffet
dinner and then 2+ hours of live, electonic music? For any of you who can
possibly travel to the next Soundscapes, please do so...it's worth the trip!
Vince
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee
Picture yourself at ease with John Christian, Peter Ruczynski, Steve
Schroyder, Jens Zygar, Bill Fox, Dave Brewer, countless other aspiring
musicians and electronic music fans (is there a distinction?) huddled
together in a pleasant cottage out in the Okefenokee Swamp. Imagine being
inches away from the music as it's being performed. You can walk around the
room and watch what each musician's contribution is to the myriad
percussion-driven sequences. The line between musician and fan has blurred.
What you are experiencing is the third incarnation of Vic Rek's masterfully
organized Ricochet Gathering, the last one (for the time being), to be
enjoyed in those surroundings which, indirectly, influenced one of
Tangerine Dream's essential tracks, '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from
Okefenokee'.
It has been just over 2 months since thirty of us found ourselves out in
the swamp. Some might say the momentum is going away. It's not slipped from
my mind (maybe the details, but not the whole)! I apologize that it has
taken me so long to put down into words and collect my experiences and
those of other attendees into a website but I hope it will be worth it to
those who joined us, those who wanted to, and those who are just curious on
a Sunday afternoon to read what we did!
I am expecting to have a Phase 2 to my website when more people who
attended have written their notes and submitted photos. I was so busy
filming the events, plus I ran out of memory on my digital camera very
quickly, that I am thrilled to see quality pictures taken by others and
they've been gracious enough to provide me with some for inclusion in the
website.
Finally, I have edited together a 1 minute video of the musicians
performing on Friday night. I have just begun to scour through all the
footage I shot simultaneously on 2 video cameras. Apologies in advance to
Bill and Peter--I will have better shots of you when I can capture the
video off camera #2!!
Without further ado, you're welcome and encouraged to visit my 'Ricochet
Gathering 2002: Okefenokee' pictoral travelogue and read articles written
by myself, Dell O., Dave B. (a reprint of what he posted to the list in
May), plus Vic's comments, and follow the links to Carlo R.'s Oke 2002
website and AirSculpture's picture gallery!
http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/
Thanks to Howard M. who, early on, provided us with a group photo. I have
repeated it on my website (check on Monday) with the first names of
everyone who attended.
Stay tuned to the tadream list, as I will announce Phase 2 here, with at
least one more travelogue/article and a series of great pictures provided
by Carlo.
Kindest Regards,
Morgan
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From:
'harrison1ford'
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:42
pm
Subject: Three Phase Video Poster
Hi,
If anyone is interested in purchasing a rolled/mint poster of 'Three
Phase', please inform me for the specifics (size, shipping). The
price is $10 US.
Thanks!
From:
'gilleshemery2002'
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:28
am
Subject: Tangerine Dream Midi Files
If you are interested by Tangerine dream Midi Files, visit my web site
> http://www.gilleshemery.fr.fm
see midi file section
Midi File available:
Riding the lezard overland >cd Hollywood year
Logos part 4 >CD logos
Thru metamorphic rock >CD FORCE MAJEURE
Yellowstone park >cd LE PARC
Dominion >CD LOGOS
Monolight>CD ENCORE
Lhe big sleep search of hades >CD STRATOPHEAR
Desert dream > cd TANGANT
Girl on the stairs - Rien ne va plus 2001- >DREAM MIXE 3
Beach scene >cd THIEF
AND very soon
With Eagle
Legend
and any more
From:
Volkmar Friauf
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Concert
Hello list,
At 11:17 16.06.2002, Jeffrey Au-Yeung wrote:
>Who attended the Berlin Inferno concert could give us a report of the event?
The Berlin concert was a chance for me to meet some of you in person, so
I've decided to stop lurking, and to write some of my impressions :-)
My wife Silvana and I arrived early enough to spot Heiko (with Ramones
t-shirt...) and the group of list members easily. All of us were allowed to
stay on the concert area and listen to the soundcheck until about 7.15,
when we were politely ask to wait outside. Thus we were at the beginning of
the waiting queue, what later gave us an advance to get seats in one of the
front rows (seats were unnumbered).
After some 'pre-concert entertainmaint' (huge balloons being thrown into
the crowd...), the concert started in time at 8.30. Music was same as in
Bernau (and on 'Inferno' album), with only some decent modifications (some
more percussion gimmicks, and more bass in the later parts).
More changes took place in the stage setting - the singers standing on the
stairs outside the actual stage. Spotlights tried to catch the solo
singers, but sometimes caught the wrong ones... ;-)
In the bridges between the vocal parts, two dancing girls featured a
ballett-like performance. The dancing, along with the location, the
fireworks and the whole setting created a more vivid atmosphere compared
with Bernau. It was a great show, but I liked the atmosphere in Bernau's
church a bit more, at least for the Inferno music. I think a medieval
castle might work even better - let's wait for the Inferno performance at
Nideggen Castle in Germany :-) I'm curious how this medieval setting will
work for the music.
Thanks to all list members who I've met for the nice company, and see you
in Nideggen!
Volkmar
From:
Harry
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m.
on 6/20/02 9:12 AM, Liondream@a... at Liondream@a... wrote:
> Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to
> be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some
> sort of e.m. community!
>
> Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA...
Liondream-
Don't cha know, we have the only Grateful Dead family reunion Terrapin
Station shows 'cause of our central location. Well, er, Alpine Valley to be
specific. That is until the local county got panicked w/ the thoughts of
hoards of hippies decending upon their community, and denied the permit.
Emusic should have such problems...
From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:09
pm
Subject: awards for services to music industry
Hi Everybody
I`m new to the group and have been a TD for most of my waking life .God only
knows what I listen to when I sleep , maybe a Tangerine Dream ;)
I don't know if this first message will make it but here goes , I`d like to
comment on the message below .
--- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote:
>I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given
>awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called
>Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time
>you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right
I`m not sure I agree with you on this . The so called techno gods have made
records that have appealed to millions of people around the world , so the
rewards are deserved in these cases .Whether or not they have contributed to
a radical change in musical thinking is another thing ?
,theres a
>guy who's given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued
>parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS
>where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism.
>ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history
>of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair.
Ok well lets look at this point .TDs truly groundbreaking music came from
the 70s and possibly early 80s (this doesn't`t mean i don't like the newer
stuff BTW)Klause Schulze is actually nicknamed the Grandfather of Techno and
has more similarities musically than TD ever did .What about 'Arise sir
Chris Franke' or Pete Bauman ? or Johannes Schmoelling ? surely they played
a great big part in the development of TDs music , more so than Edgar if you
believe the interviews by the ex members . If Edgar is the 'King' and a
'Diamond in the history of music' etc then how do you explain 'Inferno' .
Lets put the obvious blind hero worship to one side and ask ourselves , 'if
i was to buy this album from an unknown artist , would i hold it with the
same esteem as i do know' ?
It seems that TD was a success as a *band* .Individually the ex members do
not really write anything remarkable these days , and 'Inferno' is
essentially an Edgar Froese solo album with a small and obvious input from
Jerome toward the end, enough said! .
TD will always be in the musical history books from what they did in the
beginning , and you surely cannot say that TD have not bowed to the world of
commercialism ? Dream Mixes anyone ?
Hope this hasnt`t offended anyone .I think we should credit the success of
TD
to the band and not just the founder .
BTW Tony Blair cant knight people can he ?
Pete
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:13
am
Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry.
'the people I know listening to Techno-music don't have a problem with
TD..........but I have heard alot of fans here having a problem with
Techno...................why is it so hard to acknowledge new ways of
thinking music??????? '
Well Jan, if it makes you feel any better, here's one who doesn't. Although
many of my friends find it surprising (especially the younger ones).
Here's a counter-question for you. Why is it that you're not 'allowed' to
like newer forms of music if you're over 40? Why is it so 'pathetic' for
someone my age to want to dance to repetitive beats till they drop?
LnH
Marion
np: Star Sounds Orchestra - Kosmophonen
From:
Kevin Bailey
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:52
am
Subject: Ratikon
I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if
anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of
it .....it sounds like a different version of white
eagle. can anyone help me?
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:04
am
Subject: Re: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar)
Heiko .....And that's why we decided to send a 'custom built' Tangerine Tree
box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes Schmoelling who was a
member of TD from 1979-85.
I think that's yet another great idea: you really come up with some kind
and generous thoughts, Heiko! I can see why you're Al's main man.
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Top 10 for TD newbies
OK, I'll nibble. Can't come up with a top 10 ('specially not track names
off the top of my head), but Poland would _always_ be in there. Other than
that, it would depend on who I was playing it for, and why.
Young dance-oriented friends tend to get one or more of the Dream Mixes
albums, followed by 'What a Blast'.
My guitarist mate was converted by 'Epsilon...' and 'Macula Transfer'.
My C&W loving boyfriend (now my TD loving husband) was converted by
.....ummmm...enjoying ourselves..... while listening to Ricochet and
Hyperborea.
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 9:46
am
Subject: Re: Slowing down
Liondream described how TD would work under the medieval guild system.
Really I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this post - it was very
thought-provoking. And now I have an image of a big fat Edgar in
fur-trimmed robes, a funny hat, and an aldermanic chain, head of the TD guild.
I really wish it could work this way. Maybe that's what Edgar's been trying
to do, bringing in other players, with Jerome slated to take over as head
of the guild if / when he ever retires? Only the other players all seem to
want to go off and start guilds of their own. Shame!
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:07
am
Subject: OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship
Go ahead and move a.s.a.p., if the situation turns out to be what it seems.
And make sure Yahoo know why.
This kind of thing really makes me angry (and, as Carlo says, 'don't mess
with Marion!'), and should be fought anyway we can. Yahoo need to know that
'decent folks' don't approve of their behaviour.
'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.'
LnH
Marion
p.s. Jeez! All you people with so many gay friends. If I were to say 'many
of my friends are...' line, it wouldn't be true. Maybe 1% are - I must be
hanging out in the wrong places! But that doesn't affect the justice of the
situation.
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From:
'dat_dream'
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: Re: Legalize TD for the Fans
--- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote:
> Well, for soundtracks, I guess the first and foremost question
>would be one of rights.
Liondream
Love your subscription idea, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
While I don't pretend to know the entertainment business, I
rather suspect that those that hold the rights to the more obscure
titles have unrealistic expectations about the ROI. I'd bet that
Edgar would love to release, and re-release a lot more material.
But I suspect that the major stumbling blocks are all those--from
Virgin Records to the lawyer who's secretary got the coffee when
the deal was inked--whom have their palm out. By the time the
money trickles down to Edgar, it's hardly worth the effort. After all,
we're talking about an industry that's not exactly noted for
fairness and generosity.
Someone (in Sound & Vision magazine I believe) once observed
something along the lines that 'never before has there been an
industry that has worked so hard to hamstring the distribution of
their own product.'
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:01
am
Subject: Ratikon
>From: Kevin Bailey
>Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:52 am
>Subject: Ratikon
>I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if
>anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of
>it .....it sounds like a different version of white
>eagle. can anyone help me?
Ratikon is a FM stereo recording of the second half of the March 1st, 1982
concert in Melbourne, Australia. It's a fabulous recording, second only to
a master tape copy from the original source, 'Strange Attractions'.
Here's the tracklist:
-Mojave Plan [24:56]
On first listen, this sounds identical to the released version, but I
really like the simplicity of it. It runs a little longer and has less
embellishments on top.
-'Thermal Inversion' [13:33]
My FAVORITE unreleased track from fall 1981/spring 1982 concerts. 'Thermal
Inversion' is a made up track name, by the way.
-Remote Viewing/Force Majeure/End [5:04]
A few seconds of Remote Viewing from Exit provide an interlude into some of
the title track of Force Majeure. Finally, there's a 90 second ending
similar to the ending on Logos.
-Choronzon [9:51]
The first encore for this show. I MUCH prefer the concert versions of
Choronzon to the released Exit version. Instead of a 6 bar sequence, it has
been expanded to an 8 part repeating sequence. I will admit that Choronzon
live is pretty long-winded.
-Midnight in Tula [3:58]
The second encore for this show, almost identical to the version heard on
White Eagle.
Enjoy one of the better Tangerine Dream concert recordings!
Speaking of which, new members of the list, you will want to get a copy of
something called the 'Tangerine Tree'. There are nearly 200 concert
recordings over Tangerine Dream's 30 year history, many of them in stunning
quality. Now these tapes are coming out of the woodwork and being made
available, non-profit, for the fans. Ask about it!
-Morgan
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship
I would say 1 to 2% I know are.
My wife and her Hollywood acquaintances, if I counted them, I go as high a 5
to 7 then. You are right in the standard like, 'Many of my friends are'.
Well as I pointed out maybe 1 to 2%. As friends go, I would have to say I
stay more in touch with them than the rest. I think they have a tad bit more
sensitivity as well as view things in a much more refreshing way. One needs
different view points sometimes.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:07 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship
> Go ahead and move a.s.a.p., if the situation turns out to be what it
seems.
> And make sure Yahoo know why.
>
> This kind of thing really makes me angry (and, as Carlo says, 'don't mess
> with Marion!'), and should be fought anyway we can. Yahoo need to know
that
> 'decent folks' don't approve of their behaviour.
>
> 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.'
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
> p.s. Jeez! All you people with so many gay friends. If I were to say 'many
> of my friends are...' line, it wouldn't be true. Maybe 1% are - I must be
> hanging out in the wrong places! But that doesn't affect the justice of
the
> situation.
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship
One other point. I never ask or care as long as someone doesn't become
aggressive with me. I just know that 1 to 2% as they told me. Just not
something I ask right off. Most told me only after they knew me well enough
to know where I stood. Some even said they were concern I would never talk
to them after I knew. True I am a bit on the conservative side but I never
thought I would be far right. Just a bit of self reflection. Seems I come
off far more right than I really am.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:07 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship
> Go ahead and move a.s.a.p., if the situation turns out to be what it
seems.
> And make sure Yahoo know why.
>
> This kind of thing really makes me angry (and, as Carlo says, 'don't mess
> with Marion!'), and should be fought anyway we can. Yahoo need to know
that
> 'decent folks' don't approve of their behaviour.
>
> 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.'
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
> p.s. Jeez! All you people with so many gay friends. If I were to say 'many
> of my friends are...' line, it wouldn't be true. Maybe 1% are - I must be
> hanging out in the wrong places! But that doesn't affect the justice of
the
> situation.
>
>
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 8:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ratikon
Kevin.....
Ratikon is a bootleg disc containing the following...
Tangerine Dream
1. Ratikon 43:27
2. Fohn 10:16
3. Mure 4:32
Recorded in Melbourne March 1st 1982
Popol Vuh/Man
4. Bettina/Would The Christians Wait For Five Minutes 14:06
Brian Eno
5. Glint/East Of Woodbridge 7:10
Unreleased studio track available on Art Forum Flexi Disc only.
Hope this helps
Regards Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Kevin Bailey'
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: [tadream] Ratikon
> I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if
> anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of
> it .....it sounds like a different version of white
> eagle. can anyone help me?
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:29
am
Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
At 20:51 28.06.02 , you wrote:
>
>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...]
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Juni 2002 17:42
>> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on
>> Ebay!!!
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> This is something like a warning to you all.
>>
>> I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the
>> last months
>> a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on
>> the market.
>>
>> This - new - version is a counterfeit !
>> =======================================
>...................
>> And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!!
>>
>
>I greatly agree with Rainer. TDI - you are preparing the market for such
>faked releases.
>Please STOP that market.
>It's on your hands (and only on your hands).
>There are bootleged/faked versions of:
>- The Keep
>- L'affaire Wallraff
>- Macula Transfer
>and what ever else is floating on that market.
>
>They are produced and on the market, because you (TDI or whoever owns the
>rights on these recordings) do keep them rare and the prices up.
>If there would be official releases at a reasonalbe price available the
>profits for those, who produce such faked versions, would drop.
>
>Thanks
>Herbert
>
>
>PS: Legalize TD for the fans :)))))
>
Dear Herbert and the rest of the list,
I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are not releasing
abovesaid releases is not because we do not want to (C'mon... we would be
pretty stupid if we were to pass on such veritable pots of gold ;-)), it is
because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and Eighties it was
a usual practice that you would sign over master rights to the record
companies for very long time spans. This means that, as long as the record
company still owns the master rights, they can do (or, in this case NOT DO)
what they want with it and there is nothing we can do about it. Retrieving
rights from such contracts is a very hard and sometimes nearly impossible
thing. We are trying our best, though.
It looks like we stand a chance with Macula Transfer, but at the moment the
legal situation is still pretty much in limbo. As ofr the KEEP and
L'Affaire - they´re both on Virgin/EMI and it is very hard to get around
their contracts, especially since, with soundtracks, the film company
usually has a say, too (which accounts for why the Keep has never been
released) - we are trying to find a niche to regain our master rights, but
it looks as though these two will be hard nuts to crack.
As I said, we´d love to release these gems, but we just cannot. Maybe if
enough people complain to Virgin/EMI, they might change their mind.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 9:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ratikon
Its a concert from Melbourne, I guess, with Mojave Plan (live,
as you may have realised as its refreshinly different from the
studio version), followed by a killer track I consider a
favourite, and Force Majeure (2nd last part), unfortunatly
faded out due to end of tape, I guess. Two encores: Midnight
in Thula and a great long version of Choronzon.
Plus some Popol Vuh and Brian Eno.
armin
>
> I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if
> anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of
> it .....it sounds like a different version of white
> eagle. can anyone help me?
>
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From:
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 9:44
am
Subject: Promo Single on ebay
Hello,
if any interested in an 7' Single:
Tangerine Dream - Bent cold sidewalk / Rising runner missed by endless sender ,
PROMO SPAIN Ariloa/Eurodisc 0087 , white label
then jump to my auction:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=889036246
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
SEE US in Burg Nideggen :-))) for 2 shows
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 9:59
am
Subject: DWT1&2 tracks
I've had a few requests for the full version of the DWT1 track Dysfunction.
This can now be found on www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk in it's original form
(warts and all!).
There is also Dust which was the tune for DWT2 and shortly Paradox Engine,
the track for DWT3.
Although you should be able to play these from a modem connection they've
been optimised for broadband.
Take care
Matt
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 11:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med.
On 29 Jun 2002 at 19:04, Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> The best comparison here is a sound similar to Ash Ra Tempel's first
> album, but more varied, certainly. Something a bit like Alpha Centauri
> but way more chaotic; actually, there's pretty much no sight of any
> kind of structure in Electronic Meditation. In Alpha Centauri you
> already have something like a structure...
It's strange how interpretations can vary so much between listeners. I
too like Electronic Meditation, but I think it is a very structured album.
There may not be that much in terms of melody or harmony, but the
way the album develops from quiet-ish beginnings to an awful lot of
noise and then retreats back into its shell with the final track is a fine
execution of concept art.
Dennis
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 11:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
> Here's a counter-question for you. Why is it that you're not 'allowed' to
> like newer forms of music if you're over 40? Why is it so 'pathetic' for
> someone my age to want to dance to repetitive beats till they drop?
> LnH
> Marion
Hi Marion
Good question. A lot of things can be the reason. I think that many
people, either envy you because you dare be 'young' and have a good time or
they think that you only do this because your are having a midlife-crisis. Most
young people only think....'hey cool...' because of all the other 'boring'
adults.
Jan
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 1:10
pm
Subject: TDI soundtrack rights
Is it the same situation with the music from StreetHawk as well ? TDI dont
own the rights , or are there any plans for this music to be released ?
Paul
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 1:45
pm
Subject: Macula Transfer
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>As I said, we´d love to release these gems, but we just cannot. Maybe if
>enough people complain to Virgin/EMI, they might change their mind.
That sounds like a good idea. To whom should I send my complaint,
person/Dept?
/Olle
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:47
pm
Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
maybe it's good that Virgin/EMI/whomever is not releasing them. Good for
TDI, that is. When rights are released (30 years from publishing date?)
back to the artist, TDI can release them for full profit.
Just curious, Martin - can you tell us when these contracts expire? i.e.
when would Edgar have rights for Macula? Does every record have a different
contract duration or are they all the same?
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...]
> I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are
> not releasing abovesaid releases is ...
> because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:37
pm
Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
>
> maybe it's good that Virgin/EMI/whomever is not releasing them. Good for
> TDI, that is. When rights are released (30 years from publishing date?)
^^^^^^^^
> back to the artist, TDI can release them for full profit.
oh, that would be cool! Could we then expect TDI re-issues of Electronic
Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit this year, as enhanced CDs with
some pictures and movies - eventually bonus tracks from that period?
As a 3 or 5 CD box Set for Xmas with a sheep skin coat and something
to smoke!???
(just kidding)
armin
>
> Just curious, Martin - can you tell us when these contracts expire? i.e.
> when would Edgar have rights for Macula? Does every record have a different
> contract duration or are they all the same?
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...]
> > I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are
> > not releasing abovesaid releases is ...
> > because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and
>
>
>
>
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey throught...'
Hi!
A new TD sampler will be released by Sanctuary records on the 15th of
July called 'Journey through a burning brain / Anthology'.
See tracklisting and pictures of the PROMO- and ORININAL release at
my TD page:
www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS -> (scroll down) - first entry at the 'SPECIALS' table
It just another rererererererelease of the old TD stuff made available
by Castle Records. Sampler no. 1233340023?
Have fun and see ya all next month....
Rainer
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From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 3:36
pm
Subject: Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three
Hi,
I just received this CD today in the mail. As you probably know it contains
the TD track 'Network 23' from Exit. It is the same version of the track. I
thought it might have been given the Orbital treatment but not so.
Speaking of Orbital, I recently bought their 'The Altogether' DVD. It is worth
buying for the Dr. Who remix alone - check out the cool trippy graphics/visuals
for a psychedic experience!
Later,
Conrad
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!!
haha- well, I hope they could be released with additions only - not
alterations! ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:38 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer
> COUTERFEITS
> on Ebay!!!
>
>
>
>
> >
> > maybe it's good that Virgin/EMI/whomever is not releasing
> them. Good for
> > TDI, that is. When rights are released (30 years from
> publishing date?)
> ^^^^^^^^
> > back to the artist, TDI can release them for full profit.
>
> oh, that would be cool! Could we then expect TDI re-issues of
> Electronic
> Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit this year, as enhanced CDs with
> some pictures and movies - eventually bonus tracks from that period?
> As a 3 or 5 CD box Set for Xmas with a sheep skin coat and something
> to smoke!???
>
> (just kidding)
>
> armin
>
> >
> > Just curious, Martin - can you tell us when these contracts
> expire? i.e.
> > when would Edgar have rights for Macula? Does every record
> have a different
> > contract duration or are they all the same?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
> [mailto:manager@t...]
> > > I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are
> > > not releasing abovesaid releases is ...
> > > because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 5:56
pm
Subject: Re-issues
> From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
>
> oh, that would be cool! Could we then expect TDI re-issues of
> Electronic
> Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit this year, as enhanced CDs with
> some pictures and movies - eventually bonus tracks from that period?
> As a 3 or 5 CD box Set for Xmas with a sheep skin coat and something
> to smoke!???
DVD-Audio with some pics or video-footage!
Great idea.
If that would ever happen I will buy everything again.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Szatmari Pal
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three
GC> Hi,
GC> I just received this CD today in the mail. As you probably know it
contains the TD track 'Network 23' from Exit. It is the same version of the
track. I thought it might have been given the
GC> Orbital treatment but not so.
How come? An unchanged TD track on an Orbital CD? How? and WHY?
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 7:24
pm
Subject: vacation
hi all
i will be away from a computer screen for 7 days from 2nd july, so i cannot
answer any mails until after the 9th july.
Thank You.
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
ICQ 41739379
MSN Messenger dmckee20@h...
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 8:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
Hi.
I never heard about the time signature having anything to do with prog rock (by
the way, Atlas Eyes on optical Race is 5/4) but about berlin school, the
quickest way to describe it could be music created by some crazy folks who
happened to live in Berlin and who were using huge panels full of knobs and
wire occasionnaly attached to a keyboard.
I don't feel able to give a full definition (not more that I would be able to
give a definition of Rock, Jazz or whatever else) but among other elements,
there is of course the use of sequences and a specific use of repetition. The
pieces are often monotonous (on purpose) or even static as far as harmony is
concerned. Minimalist anyway. The sequence then often works as a layer for
melodic lines played on top.
I guess at some point, words like analog, improvisation or spacy are supposed
to show up but well, if anybody can help me with my homework, may be it will be
more convincing. :)
Thomas.
----Message réexpédié----
>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: Mark Filipak
>Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:39:24 -0400
>Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
>
>thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>>
>> Ah, Mark, catching me with my own trap!
>> About this :
>> > 'If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen
>> > to it, is it music?'
>
>> How do you define 'no one' exactly? :)
>
>~LOL~ I'm not telling. Null's the word. 8^)
>
>> Of course there are many fascinating questions to discuss. For
>> exemple, the definition of music itself. But even if it is a
>> convenient convention, making a difference between classical,
>> modern and post-modern ages in art still makes sense to me.
>> Partly because the cultural context changes the way we look at
>> our past, our present and our future. And those days, novelty
>> sounds pretty much just like a promotional argument for a new
>> brand of cereals to me. May be it's me, may be it's not.
>
>Let's not talk about talking about genres. Let's really talk about
>genres.
>
>You used the common term 'Berlin School'. We all use it. Well, what is
>Berlin School?
>
>Progressive Rock has a specific definition (well, pretty specific). I'm
>not a muso, but it has something to do with R'n'R that has a specific
>time signature -- is it 5/4? When you hear that particular sort of off
>speed yet syncopated beat you say, 'Oi! That's prog!' Am I right?
>
>If (most) music has melody, harmony, and rhythm parts that are each
>played by differring instruments, but if BS uses sequencers to supply a
>combination melody-rhythmn part, and if that is unique to BS, and if you
>agree with that, then perhaps that is a start towards describing what BS
>is.
>
>Shall we continue with this?
>
>> Anyway, I didn't do my homework... but it's not my fault! You can even ask
mom! Please don't punish me. :)
>>
>> Thomas.
>>
>> ----Message réexpédié----
>> >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>> >De: Mark Filipak
>> >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:41:26 -0400
>> >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G.
>> >
>> >Hi Thomas!
>> >
>> >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my
>> >> mind clear. And of course, it's also a question of definition
>> >> and subjectivity. My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll
>> >> or EM were once new.
>> >
>> > There is new music being made in these genres all the time.
>> >
>> > I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For
>> > example:
>> >
>> > If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral
>> > music?
>> >
>> > If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers,
>> > is it jazz or is it EM?
>> >
>> > Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus)
>> > consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or
>> > indo-classical or any other recognizable genre?
>> >
>> >> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that
>> >> seemed to come out almost from nowhere.
>> >
>> > Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely
>> > the re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in
>> > the art nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm
>> > sure some would trace it back to the Precambrian!
>> >
>> >> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the
>> >> same direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school.
>> >
>> > Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre?
>> > If so, what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other
>> > music?
>> >
>> > Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS?
>> >
>> > How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it
>> > depend upon the instruments that are used?
>> >
>> > When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world,
>> > will BS cease to exist?
>> >
>> > If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to
>> > listen to it, is it music?
>> >
>> >> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which
>> >> is good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more
>> >> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem
>> >> to be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre
>> >> (like say, new metal).
>> >
>> > Was there ever such a time?
>> >
>> >> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity...
>> >
>> > ~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky.
>> > Big business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big
>> > business wants commodities, not art. In art, big business is
>> > immiscible. When big business acquires art it turns it into a
>> > commodity.
>> >
>> > Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of
>> > becoming big, after which point it punishes creativity.
>> >
>> > Or am I just being cynical?
>> >
>> >> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics'
>> >> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of
>> >> stuff.
>> >
>> > Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision
>> > (some of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is
>> > stochastic music, music? If a piece is computer generated from
>> > microtones, is it music? When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out
>> > of his paint spattered canvases was he acting as an artist or as a
>> > critic?
>> >
>> > You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite
>> > ten examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi
>> > pure' Berlin School compositions). What do they have in common?
>> > Report back to the class when you are done.
>> >
>> > Class dismissed. -- Mark
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From:
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Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:56
am
Subject: HP 51645A black ink cartridge
I have a black ink cartridge HP 51645A in a box that I received but
is not the right one for my printer. It is not a remanufactured one
nor a refilled one but a brand new one by Hewlett Packard. All I want
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 12:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
Here are a few of my impressions of the Berlin show held on June 15th:
First off, I had to commute from Paris that morning to Berlin by train. I
took the super express Thalys from Paris to Koeln, then from there by the
ICE train to Berlin. The train trip itself was very cool - all high speed,
but it still took around 8 hours. I got into Berlin around 6PM with just
enough time to get a hotel room, change and determine how to reach the venue
by the metro. I got there about an hour before the concert and I noticed
all the hard core fans sitting fourth row center stage. I recall seeing one
fan (named Christian) from the Bernau show. He is not on this list but was
very enthusiastic to see me. He was the one that gave me directions from
the train station in Bernau to the cathedral. And of course Heiko, Heiko,
and Rainer were there! Of course I had to complete some trades with both
Heiko's! It was great to meet Allistair and Piotr Millenium from Poland.
There were some more fans that I may have missed, but I was too busy trying
to hit the large white floating balloons. I didn't really have a seat, so I
took a low position by the center fountain just behind the hardcore fans (it
was too late to go back into the crowd once the show started..). Once the
show started, some people popped the balloons and I managed to pick up most
of the remains as souvenirs. I remember Heiko Heerssen looking at me with
disbelief :-) Hey, if anyone wants a piece of this ballooon, just let me
know and I'll send you a piece to keep with your official Inferno CD :-)!!
Heiko's post covered many of the concert details, but I'll just add a few of
my comments:
----- Original Message -----
From: Heiko Heerssen
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words...
> the music was almost 100% identically to what they played in Bernau. As
far
> as I can remember the only difference was the instrumention in 'La grey de
> los almas perdidas'. It was like playing the whole 'Inferno' CD by adding
> more bongo percussion.
Yes, I agree. Not much room for improvisation, except for that short
'Sequent C'' track by Peter Baumann at the end of the show - just kidding.
> As you can see from the pictures on Rainer's homepage the show itself was
Don't forget about Heiko Neumann's webpage with the cool shot of Manuel
Gottsching in one of the photos.
> quite spectacular and impressive, but still I think that playing 'Inferno'
in
> a church (like the one in Bernau) is a much more suitable venue. In
Bernau
> the audience was calm and quiet. In Berlin it was noisy (not to mention
the
> two drunken jerks which were yelling and waving to the two female dancers
> near the end of the show), and the audience was much bigger than in
Bernau..I
> was told that the concert was sold out and that the venue had a seating
> capacity of 1500. It was sometimes difficult for me to concentrate on the
> music, but then again I already knew the music inside out and there was
very
> little variation.
Yes, the atmosphere was much different in Bernau. There it was somewhat of
a 'religious' experience. It was late at night and foggy. Here it was warm
and festive! I enjoyed the party-like atmosphere and the easy-going crowd.
> There's not much to say about the concert except that the laser show in
> Bernau was much better and impressive. But still I think it was a good
> concert. Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made
short
> appearances, they both looked gorgeous :-) TD received a standing
ovation
> and I think the crowd was quite pleased with what they saw.
Yes, it was a great show overall, but different than Bernau in atmosphere.
< [...] She also invited Rainer and
> Alastair, and when we finally got into the backstage area (which was not
more
> like some sort of big tent) we looked at each other as if we had just hit
the
> jackpot. The tent was crammed full with the artists from the Inferno show
> (the choir singers, Iris Kulterer etc.) Much to our surprise Vic was
already
> inside (he must have the right connections..envy!!), and after a few
minutes
> I took my chance and passed over the 'Tree box' to Edgar who I think was
> quite pleased with it.
The nice lady controlling the access to the backstage was Anja. She works
in the TDI office and is very nice, so no hard feelings about her
controlling the access - she did a great job!. I managed to get backstage
earlier due to plain 'luck' :-), but I'm very happy that most of the
hardcore fans had a chance to meet everyone and enjoy the after show
reception. As for the reception, I really do not like to get into any
details, but I must mention that Ralf Wadephul was there (Optical Race
tour) and Olaf Zimmermann, the host of the German Elektrobeats radio show.
Of course, it was super to meet Edgar, Jerome, Iris and Bianca at the
reception! Most of the converstaions I had with people at the party had
nothing to do with TD specifically; it just seemed more natural to just get
to know the people and enjoy their company.
> Then Vic introduced us to a person we didn't recognize first. 'Who is it?'
we
> asked. 'Ralf' he replied..then the pennies dropped: it was former member
Ralf
> Wadephul, who was playing with the band during 'Optical race' (1988-89).
We
> were quite thrilled to meet him and told him that we liked the 'Sun gate'
> track on the Optical race album very much (which he wrote). We stayed
inside
> the tent for maybe half an hour and then walked out again only to find the
> rest of the fans still waiting to get in, but for us the night still
wasn't
> over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a
couple
> of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the
prostitutes
> that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up
and
> took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel.
Yes, I was part of this after-party late night party. I recall having a
great time in a part of town that catered to a party crowd and to
prostitutes. Too bad my wife wasn't with me because she would have enjoyed
the scene. I recall some great conversation with Martin, his wife, and our
small crowd gathered around two tables. We were truly at easy with some beer
flowing freely. So around 3:30 AM, Heiko, Allistair and I took a common cab
which dropped us off at our little hotel rooms somewhere amidst the dimming
city lights...
Vic
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med.
Yeah, in that point of view, I agree with you. But I think you agree there's
not any, umm, 'traditional' structure. That's what I meant.
>It's strange how interpretations can vary so much between listeners. I
>too like Electronic Meditation, but I think it is a very structured album.
>There may not be that much in terms of melody or harmony, but the
>way the album develops from quiet-ish beginnings to an awful lot of
>noise and then retreats back into its shell with the final track is a fine
>execution of concept art.
>
>Dennis
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey throught...'
>It just another rererererererelease of the old TD stuff made available
>by Castle Records. Sampler no. 1233340023?
List of standard first-day tasks for a new Castle Communications trainee:
1. Create a Tangerine Dream sampler;
GJ- who is wondering if that joke is really that funny. ah, I like it. ;)
np. Jamjar- Oxygene 7-13. cool stuff.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ratikon
I would guess those names are also invented ones... do they mean anything in
English? just curious.
ah, very good quality recording by the way. both musical and... um... sonical?
sonic? sound? soundishly? soundistic? soundishlisticlisticly? whatever. ;)
>1. Ratikon 43:27
>2. Fohn 10:16
>3. Mure 4:32
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med.
> Yeah, in that point of view, I agree with you. But I think you agree
there's not any, umm, 'traditional' structure. That's what I meant.
>
> >It's strange how interpretations can vary so much between listeners. I
> >too like Electronic Meditation, but I think it is a very structured
album.
> >There may not be that much in terms of melody or harmony, but the
> >way the album develops from quiet-ish beginnings to an awful lot of
> >noise and then retreats back into its shell with the final track is a
fine
> >execution of concept art.
> >
> >Dennis
>
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 8:32
am
Subject: Moby says ...
Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to
Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html)
He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands
who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in
the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will
see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact
that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who
will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans
will generally end up buying their cd's. '
Comments, anyone?
LnH
Marion
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From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 8:36
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three + Joe Satriani in Dublin
Pal,
I think the idea behind the 'Back To Mine' cd range is that they are
compilations made by different artists (in this case Orbital) of tracks
favoured by that artist. So, this Orbital 'Bact To Mine' compilation is a
varied mixture of tracks which Orbital would have you listen to if you went to
a party back in their place. There is some Orbital music between tracks mainly
- for example at the very end of 'Network 23' there is an Orbital 'link' to the
next track, instead of silence.
OFF TOPIC: Joe Satriani plays in Dublin on July 21st. I will be at the
concert and I have some spare tickets for sale if anyone is interested
(Armin?). Let me know off-list if you are. Should be a good gig. He has a
new album entitled 'Strange Beautiful Music' out at the moment.
Regards,
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: Szatmari Pal [mailto:koronzon@m...]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:53 PM
To: Gibbons, Conrad
Subject: Re: [tadream] Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three
GC> Hi,
GC> I just received this CD today in the mail. As you probably know it
contains the TD track 'Network 23' from Exit. It is the same version of the
track. I thought it might have been given the
GC> Orbital treatment but not so.
How come? An unchanged TD track on an Orbital CD? How? and WHY?
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 12:57
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Singles for Offer
I have some TD and related 7' and 12' singles for offer. I prefer to trade
if possible, but I will consider other offers, including package deals.
Here is the list:
Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme)/Grind - Spain MCA 60 30 513, w/sp. red sticker
vg/vg+
Choronzon/Network 23 - UK Virgin VS 444 m-/-
Flashpoint (The Gems)/Going West - EEC 1C 006 20 0378 7, with PS, vg+/vg++
Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance - Poland Tonpress S-575 in PS m-/m-
Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance - UK Jive 74, picture disc shaped like Poland
Das Mädchen auf der Treppe/Katja (from Tatort) - Germany Virgin 104 405-100
in PS m-/vg+
Daydream/Moorland/Miriam (from Tatort) - Germany Virgin 105 271-100 in PS,
co, m-/vg+
Tiergarten/Streethawk - Germany Jive 6/141176, promo only cover and info in
PS, m-/m-
Streethawk/Tiergarten - UK Jive 101, world label with PS, vg+/vg+
Dancing on a White Moon/Shy People - Germany Edelton EDL 25070, in PS,
vg+/vg+
Tyger/21st Century Common Man - Holland Jive 145.326 AC in 'Logo' PS m-/vg++
Tyger/21st Century Common Man - Germany Teldec 6.14856 AC with PROMO back
sleeve m-/vg++
Alexander Square/Berlin Summer Nights - Germany Hamsa/BMG 112 892, in PS,
vg+/m-
Big City Dwarves - Germany Virgin 114 981, in PS Promo (no markings), m-/m-
Peter Baumann - Biking up the Strand/Dance at Dawn - France Virgin 105093 in
PS vg+/vg+
Peter Baumann - Strangers in the Night/Fremde in Der Nacht - Germany Arista
106 107-000 PROMO ONLY in PS, sol vg++/vg++
Peter Baumann - Repeat Repeat/Realtimes - Holland vg++/vg+
Peter Baumann - Daytime Logic FLEXI #8 from Magazine m-/-
Michael Hoenig - Departure From the Northern Wasterland - US Warner
PRO-E-712 m-/vg+
Ashra (M. Gottsching) - Geile Tiere/Chinatown - German Private Pressing 7'
(rare), m-/m-
Streethawk (remix)/Streethawk/Tiergarten - US Relativity EMC 8044, 12' m-/vg
Streethawk/Tiergarten/Gaudi Park/Warsaw in the Sun parts 1&2 - UK Jive T
101, 12' m-/vg++
Das Madchen/Flock/Katja/Speed - Germany Vigin 600 651-213, SuperSound 45rpm
12', m-/vg++
Tyger (short)/21st Century Common Man Pt. 2/Tyger (long) - UK Jive T 143
12', m-/-
Dolphin Dance/Dolphin Smile/Song of the Whale - US Relativity 1986, 12' EP,
vg++/vg
Baumann - Strangers in the Night (3 versions) (EP single) - US Portrait
4R9-04029, 12' w/PS, 1983
Robert Schroder - Space Detective/Sky-Walker, Innovative Comm. 80.029, 45rpm
12' EP
I have one SUPER RARE 7' for offer that is one of the top 3 (in my opinion)
rarest TD 7' of all time!
*** Bent Cold Sidewalk/Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender - MADE IN
FRANCE
Virgin/Polydor 2814 102, mint codition and comes in a brown Polydor French
title sleeve.
A beautiful item for the most hardcore TD collector. Now the catch, I can
only trade this for one of the following:
Grind/Grind - US 7' promo
Peter Baumann - Bicentennial Present/Romance - France Virgin 281409 7' with
picture sleeve
Peter Baumann - Chasing the Dream/White Bench and Black Bench - France
Virgin 2814159 7'
Pardon for the interruption.
Vic
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 2:03
pm
Subject: Jerome's Underground Page
I wonder what has happened to Jerome Froese's Underground page
(http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields) Since a couple of years (!) there
were no changes made at all, and when I was trying to open the page
today it said 'Forbidden - your client is not allowed to access the
requested object'. Maybe he's trying a re-launch? :-)
Heiko
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 2:37
pm
Subject: RE: [OT: Joe Satriani in Dublin
Hi,
I'm very very tempted... though I cannot confirm now since I might
have to go to Germany on short notice.
The new album is, btw, great! Recognizable from the first note, so
some may say he repeats himself, but still kick ***.
cheers
a.
> OFF TOPIC: Joe Satriani plays in Dublin on July 21st. I will be at the
concert and I have some spare tickets for sale if anyone is interested
(Armin?).
Let me know off-list if you are. Should be a good gig. He has a new album
entitled 'Strange Beautiful Music' out at the moment.
>
> Regards,
>
> Conrad
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Moby says what RIAA tells him to...
Being a tech-savvy fan of TD, Schulze, Pete Namlook, Vangelis, JMJ, Mike
Oldfield, etc, etc, (but not Moby) I thought I could speak to this.
I download MP3's ravenously. HOWEVER, I am a generally lazy person, and I
would sooner buy the CD and not have to fool with it. But on the other
hand, if buying the CD is more difficult (regardless of the money) than
downloading, I'll likely download it.
The most important thing to note here, though, is that if I like the music,
I WILL EVENTUALLY BUY IT!!! I like the CD sound better than MP3, and even
if I get a copy on CDR from somebody, I'd still rather have an original.
Case-in-point: Dark Side of the Moog VII: (If you've been on the list any
length of time, you already know how I feel about this masterpiece!) I
downloaded this in MP3 a long time before I finally found it locally for
sale, but I whooped for joy when I saw it, even though I already had all the
music. To me, getting the CD is still a form of permanence that appeals to
me.
If I don't like the music, I probably won't buy it. (TD and Vangelis are the
exceptions, since I'm a bit of a completist.) But then, I probably would
never have bought any more Klaus Schulze after buying 'The Dresden
Performance' if I hadn't been able to get a few CDR copies from folks, and
download a few MP3 files. Now - GOD HELP ME - I'm inching toward becoming a
Schulze completist!
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Horrod [mailto:marion@h...]
He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands
who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in
the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will
see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact
that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who
will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans
will generally end up buying their cd's. '
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: re fohn--defined?
IIRC, isn't 'fohn' a certain (perhaps weather-related) phenomenon that is
blamed for some melancholic malaise that comes over some folks from a
certain region of germany?
how's that for a vague definition? can someone who's more enlightened here
fill us in furthur (sorry for the alt. spelling wishing I was going to
alpine valley for the Grateful Dead reunion....)
--T
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re fohn--defined?
it is (were the 'o' should be an umlaut). The word is also used
for a hair dryer
a.
>
> IIRC, isn't 'fohn' a certain (perhaps weather-related) phenomenon that is
> blamed for some melancholic malaise that comes over some folks from a
> certain region of germany?
>
> how's that for a vague definition? can someone who's more enlightened here
> fill us in furthur (sorry for the alt. spelling wishing I was going to
> alpine valley for the Grateful Dead reunion....)
>
> --T
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:17
pm
Subject: 'Pearl Jam effect'
>Marion said:
>
>Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to
>Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html)
>
>He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands
>who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in
>the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will
>see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact
>that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who
>will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans
>will generally end up buying their cd's. '
>
>Comments, anyone?
>
>LnH
>
>Marion
That's not it at all.
Smart, technically-minded people are just rare to begin with. :)
-Morgan
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'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Moby says ...
Not too far wrong from my observations. The less tech savvy fans have
greater numbers as well. So if you dress up, look like, blend to that view,
you might count success in numbers of sales. If that is your motives (to
make money). Sale the masses what they want. I still have to tell you that,
as a more tech savvy fan, I prefer a higher quality of music. Something more
a kin to being in tune. Hey lets go for it, I even prefer a band who knows
how to actually play the instruments they have in their hands...
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:32 AM
Subject: [tadream] Moby says ...
> Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to
> Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html)
>
> He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands
> who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in
> the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans
will
> see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact
> that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who
> will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy
fans
> will generally end up buying their cd's. '
>
> Comments, anyone?
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
>
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
If the index page is removed or one of the start up pages for that folder
(directory) you would get that. I hate to think someone hacked it.
But, if your thoughts are true... that would be cool to see something fresh
to view for a bit.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:03 AM
Subject: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
> I wonder what has happened to Jerome Froese's Underground page
> (http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields) Since a couple of years (!) there
> were no changes made at all, and when I was trying to open the page
> today it said 'Forbidden - your client is not allowed to access the
> requested object'. Maybe he's trying a re-launch? :-)
>
> Heiko
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Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 6:26
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
Hi,
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Juli 2002 19:47
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
>
>
> If the index page is removed or one of the start up pages for
> that folder
> (directory) you would get that. I hate to think someone hacked it.
> But, if your thoughts are true... that would be cool to see
> something fresh
> to view for a bit.
I expect that would result in Error 404 - Not found (in contrast to 403 -
Access denied).
Herbert
From:
'heineu'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey throught...'
Hi,
yesterday I received the 3 Promo CDR version (this is official) from
the Anthology Box Release for free.
Pictures tomorrow evening on my Homepage.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
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> Hi!
>
> A new TD sampler will be released by Sanctuary records on the 15th
of
> July called 'Journey through a burning brain / Anthology'.
>
> See tracklisting and pictures of the PROMO- and ORININAL release at
> my TD page:
>
> www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS -> (scroll down) - first entry at
the 'SPECIALS' table
>
> It just another rererererererelease of the old TD stuff made
available
> by Castle Records. Sampler no. 1233340023?
>
> Have fun and see ya all next month....
>
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
Well, you can make the errors anything you want to say, but you might be
right... I checked it out, I get the feeling that the folder (directory)
isn't there anymore...
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----- Original Message -----
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To:
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Subject: AW: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
> Hi,
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...]
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Juli 2002 19:47
> > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page
> >
> >
> > If the index page is removed or one of the start up pages for
> > that folder
> > (directory) you would get that. I hate to think someone hacked it.
> > But, if your thoughts are true... that would be cool to see
> > something fresh
> > to view for a bit.
>
> I expect that would result in Error 404 - Not found (in contrast to 403 -
> Access denied).
>
> Herbert
>
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 10:38
pm
Subject: The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert!
Vic wrote:
> > Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short
> > appearances, they both looked gorgeous :-)
I met the two dancers who where on stage with TD during this show.
Very friendly girls.
These girls do have an own webpage (www.oasis-danse-ensemble.de). I put
a link onto my td site, too.
Who will be in Nideggen? I will come on Saturday only.
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1397
Morgan:
<< I am expecting to have a Phase 2 to my website when
more people who attended have written their notes and
submitted photos. >>
Count me among the Phase 2 folks. I am slowly but
surely getting my narrative done. Work and health
matters have slowed me down lately, but the urge to
get it out is still there. Plus, Roger J. has some
mah-velous photos we are eager to share.
I know...promises, promises...+:o]
Deb H-J
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From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Pearl Jam effect'
Morgan Feldon [02/07/2002 13:31] dijo/said:
>
>>Marion said:
>>
>>Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to
>>Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html)
>>
>>He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands
>>who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in
>>the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will
>>see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact
>>that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who
>>will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans
>>will generally end up buying their cd's. '
>>
>>Comments, anyone?
>>
>>LnH
>>
>>Marion
>
>That's not it at all.
>
>Smart, technically-minded people are just rare to begin with. :)
... and they usually like music that is less popular to begin with.
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:55
am
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #275
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #275 June 27, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates
ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The
Featured CD at midnight was 'Sleep,' the fourth disc from 'The Bluebox
Collection' on the Arya label.
The Vinyl Starter was from Et S'Aimer Et Mourir by Catharsis on the Sonopresse
label.
Amir Baghiri http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Catharsis Vie Et S'Aimer Et Mourir
(Sonopresse)
Don Slepian Fugitive Intuition Electronic Music from the
Rainbow Isle (none)
Ricochet Musos Southern Sunset Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu
Harmony and Quantum)
Ricochet Musos Feedback Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu
Harmony and Quantum)
Craig Padilla Melting Galaxies Folding Space and Menlting
Galaxies (Soace for Music)
VA [Harold Grosskopf] Nostalgia 76 First Decade (Manikin)
12:00 am
Amir Baghiri Part 1 Sleep (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Part 2 Sleep (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Part 3 Sleep (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Part 4 Sleep (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Part 5 Sleep (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Part 6 Sleep (Arya)
Amir Baghiri Part 7 Sleep (Arya)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Robert Carty. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Gateway' on the Deep Sky label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Floating Music' by Robert Schroder
on the IC label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:57
am
Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry.
Marion:
<< Here's a counter-question for you. Why is it that
you're not 'allowed'to like newer forms of music if
you're over 40? Why is it so 'pathetic'for someone my
age to want to dance to repetitive beats till they
drop? >>
You can up the age to 50, or me now =:o]
I confess I've always been a frustrated percussionist,
and can't listen to music with any sort of beat
without moving something. Since getting the 'beat bug'
at Okefenokee, I've been checking out he electronica
sections of CD stores, looking for imports that have
the same clever upbeat of Star Sounds Orchestra. My 16
year old neice and several of her friends are also
recently enraptured with the sound, and want to adapt
it for the Dance-Dance Revolution (DDR) tournaments.
So you have a 50 year old and a 16 year old dancing
around to the same tracks, and we're both having a
good time.
Swamp Stomp Forever,
Deb H-J
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np: Kit Watkin's 'Sunstruck'
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 1:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
[...] Since getting the 'beat bug'
> at Okefenokee, I've been checking out he electronica
> sections of CD stores, looking for imports that have
> the same clever upbeat of Star Sounds Orchestra. My 16
> year old neice and several of her friends are also
> recently enraptured with the sound, and want to adapt
> it for the Dance-Dance Revolution (DDR) tournaments.
Steve Schroyder (ex-TD member from 1971) and Jens Zygar make up Star Sounds
Orchestra. They have two styles: Cosmic ambient tuned to the cosmic octave
and psychedelic trance. I've been working with them lately and we are
planning a concert for next year right after the Ricochet Gathering at the
Mojave Desert in Las Vegas. At the moment I am a distributer for some of
their CDs. The following CDs are in stock and all are $15 each.
- Kosmophonon (ambient)
- Psy*Force (Psy trance)
- VA- Apoldaer Weltglockengeläut (ambient and bells) 3 SSO tracks and a
great track by Der SPYRA!
I also have a few Pre-Release CD-Rs of their latest CD 'Ooz'.
Vic
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 1:37
am
Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for June, 2002
WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to
New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for June, 2002.
Shows #272 to #275; 6-June-2002 to 27-June-2002
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f...
CONTACT: billfox@f...
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Alhedion - Kosmische Spuren Eines Lebens - Invisible Shadows
Amir Baghiri - City - Arya
Amir Baghiri - Live - Arya
Amir Baghiri - Night - Arya
Amir Baghiri - Sleep - Arya
Boots, Aerts, vd Heijden - Livelines - Groove
Brannan Land and vidnaObmana - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com
Chris Short and Vir Unis - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music
Craig Padilla - Folding Space and Menlting Galaxies - Space for Music
Don Slepian - Electronic Music from the Rainbow Isle - none
Giles Reaves with Ashid Himons - The Deep End - Space for Music
Martin, Klamt, Rownd - Convergence - Spotted Peccary
Max Corbacho - The Resonant Memory of Earth - Space for Music
Ministry of Inside Things - Live at the ICA - Synkronos
Ministry of Inside Things - Live at the Phila. Museum - Synkronos
Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony and Quantum
Robert Rich - Shambala - Space for Music
Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN
Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin
vidnaObmana and Joris De Backer - The Oblique Fusion - none
Bill
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11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 2:18
am
Subject: Definition of prog-rock (was 're: OEG' or something)
In a message dated 6/30/02 6:40:14 PM, filipak@m... writes:
>Progressive Rock has a specific definition (well, pretty specific). I'm
>not a muso, but it has something to do with R'n'R that has a specific
>time signature -- is it 5/4? When you hear that particular sort of off
>speed yet syncopated beat you say, 'Oi! That's prog!' Am I right?
I'm going to have to say no to that. Weird time signatures are certainly
common in prog-rock (not just 5 but also 7, 11, 13, etc.), but it's not
necessarily a defining trait of the genre. The usual time signatures still
show up in a lot of music that gets classified as prog.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say that there is no such specific definition of
progressive rock. That, I think, is what makes it progressive. A lot of prog
bands have certain traits in common, because they share the same influences,
but then there can be a band like (for example) King's X that doesn't really
sound like any other prog bands. What makes them 'prog' is the ambition to do
something different that goes beyond the boundaries of ordinary rock.
All just my opinion, of course.
--Daniel
NP: Angel Dust - Bleed
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 2:21
am
Subject: OT: Synthpop Goes the World
Hey, I was just wondering, since we're all into electronic music--did anybody
from this list (besides me) happen to attend this past weekend's Synthpop
Goes the World festival in Toronto? If so, contact me off-list.
--Daniel
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 4:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry.
oooh, sorry for the offtopic, but i have to say, kit watkins is very very good.
I recommend. Lots of well made rhythms, clever tracks. Excellent sound. Not
your bread-and-butter berlin school though. Something a bit different.
Sometimes with a jazzy touch from what I heard (a friend made a 4CD compilation
for me and that's all I have, since I never found any cds for sale). Some of my
favourites are I Forgot to Push It (from the Happy the Man time), Cell
Division. There are others but I forgot their names, and I'm too lazy to check
them now.
Deb H-J said:
>np: Kit Watkin's 'Sunstruck'
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 7:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert!
> Who will be in Nideggen? I will come on Saturday only.
I received my two tickets for the Saturday show yesterday...front row! :-B
The second ticket is for my wife, I somehow managed to persuade her to join
me. Since she mostly listens to stuff like Westlife, Modern Talking or other
chart music I fear that 'Inferno' will cause a culture shock ~lol~
Heiko
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 8:05
am
Subject: Was Awards for services to music industry
Hey Jan - are you calling me an adult? How dare you! I'm a senile
delinquent and proud of it!
LnH
Marion
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 3:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some
Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of
money...
--- Paul Lawler wrote:
> Is it the same situation with the music from
> StreetHawk as well ? TDI dont
> own the rights , or are there any plans for this
> music to be released ?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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From:
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Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 3:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Wade Gordon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
> Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some
> Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of
> money...
I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d think that
'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller overall ?
Paul
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
Wade sez:
> > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some
> > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of
> > money...
Paul replies:
> I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d think that
> 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller overall ?
So should we organize a campaign to collect enough money for Sonic Images to
release Streethawk? Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5
episodics ;-)
James
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 6:51
pm
Subject: 'buys all the B5...'
>Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5
episodics ;-)
not THAT!, heh!
np the WHO--baba o'riley (gearin' up for seein' 'em tonight after all!)
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...'
yum
;-)
note it back to me off list how the Who went... if you would be so kind that
is...
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...'
>
>
> >Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5
> episodics ;-)
>
> not THAT!, heh!
>
> np the WHO--baba o'riley (gearin' up for seein' 'em tonight after all!)
>
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...'
> >Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5
> episodics ;-)
> not THAT!, heh!
I did :-)!
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From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: RE: Kosmophonon by SSO
To me this one has melody, rhythm, and real gongs, it is also based on
Cosmic Tuning, my favorite of the bunch right now. I find the psy trance
much more interesting than other trance that I've heard. Kosmophonon is one
of the older releases.
-Steve
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 8:38
pm
Subject: tech savvy fans
...and for the ones with the SUPER tech savvy fans... those fans will even go
so far as to organize their own concert cd series and distribution network. Not
only will they remaster and fix what the band itself did not, in some cases
they will even write their own software programs with which to do it!
:-)
<<<>Marion said:
>
>Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to
>Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html)
>
>He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands
>who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in
>the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will
>see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact
>that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who
>will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans
>will generally end up buying their cd's. '
>
>Comments, anyone?
>
>LnH
>
>Marion>>>
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:21
pm
Subject: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined?
> From: 'tei waz'
> Subject: re fohn--defined?
>
> IIRC, isn't 'fohn' a certain (perhaps weather-related) phenomenon that is
> blamed for some melancholic malaise that comes over some folks from a
> certain region of germany?
>
> how's that for a vague definition? can someone who's more enlightened here
> fill us in furthur (sorry for the alt. spelling wishing I was going to
> alpine valley for the Grateful Dead reunion....)
Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps from northern
Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling down on the north
side of the mountains from 2000 or 3000 meters to 500 or 700 meters. This may
cause spring days in mid-winter in certain areas. This year they had 21 or 22
degrees (Celsius) one day between the Danube river and the Alps where usually
it
should have below zero. If you are on a mountain or on a high tower on such a
day, you can usually see for hundreds of kilometers absolutely clear, but towns
or places 200 km away look like if you could have a walk to them.
But Foehn does not cause a certain melancolic malaise (at least not what
Germans
mean when they feel melancolic: Weltschmerz), but a serious headache if you are
sensitive for it. For those who are affected a Foehn day is not a good day to
decide whether to sell their TD collection or not...
Peter
(living in an area sometimes reached by the Foehn...)
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
Actually, people are screaming for it and also the
'Dark Skies' Michael Hoenig stuff.
Wade
--- Paul Lawler wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
>
>
> > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and
> some
> > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out
> of
> > money...
>
> I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d
> think that
> 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller
> overall ?
>
> Paul
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
Well, from what I gathered Ford A. Thaxton was working
on the projects he did a great job for the Terminator
special edition.
Wade
--- Wade Gordon wrote:
> Actually, people are screaming for it and also the
> 'Dark Skies' Michael Hoenig stuff.
>
> Wade
> --- Paul Lawler wrote:
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> > From: 'Wade Gordon'
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights
> >
> >
> > > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and
> > some
> > > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running
> out
> > of
> > > money...
> >
> > I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d
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> > 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller
> > overall ?
> >
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Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:32
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Subject: Coming soon to www.lougentile.com
My radio program 'Sound Explorer' is coming soon to
www.lougentile.com and it will contain the music that
we all dig. The first hour will be a homage to 'Space
TransTronicNights' and then the 'Vic Rek' salute to
Tangerine Dream.
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 10:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined?
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote:
>Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps from northern
>Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling down on the north
>..
this is the best description of FOEHN I ever red :-)))
Rainer
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From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 11:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...'
tei waz [03/07/2002 15:03] dijo/said:
>
>
>>Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5
>episodics ;-)
>
>not THAT!, heh!
Too late.
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 2:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee
I have opened an 'Invitiation Only' discussion group for the Ricochet
Gatherings.
I you are interested in attending one of these events, please send me an
e-mail me and briefly tell me why you would like to join. I will e-mail you
an invitation with the appropriate URL for joining.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: Morgan Feldon
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 7:33 PM
Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee
> Picture yourself at ease with John Christian, Peter Ruczynski, Steve
> Schroyder, Jens Zygar, Bill Fox, Dave Brewer, countless other aspiring
> musicians and electronic music fans (is there a distinction?) huddled
> together in a pleasant cottage out in the Okefenokee Swamp. Imagine being
> inches away from the music as it's being performed. You can walk around
the
> room and watch what each musician's contribution is to the myriad
> percussion-driven sequences. The line between musician and fan has
blurred.
> What you are experiencing is the third incarnation of Vic Rek's
masterfully
> organized Ricochet Gathering, the last one (for the time being), to be
> enjoyed in those surroundings which, indirectly, influenced one of
> Tangerine Dream's essential tracks, '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from
> Okefenokee'.
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: 'buys all the B5'
Wade sez:
> > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some
> > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of
> > money...
Guess we're stuck with 'The Vertical Rotating Horizon' ;-)
>
> Paul replies:
>
> > I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d think that
> > 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller overall ?
>
> So should we organize a campaign to collect enough money for Sonic Images
> to
> release Streethawk? Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5
> episodics ;-)
>
> James
Or maybe if everyone on the list buys Mark Shreeve's 'Nocturne' ;-)
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
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From:
'gyedid01'
Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 8:46
pm
Subject: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined?
--- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote:
> Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps
from northern
> Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling down on
the north
> side of the mountains from 2000 or 3000 meters to 500 or 700
meters. This may
> cause spring days in mid-winter in certain areas. This year they
had 21 or 22
> degrees (Celsius) one day between the Danube river and the Alps
where usually it
> should have below zero.
Hm, that sounds awfully similar to what folks in Western Canada who
live around the Rockies would call a 'chinook'--but they generally
love them when they happen...
Gabe
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 10:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined?
At 02.07.04-20:46, gyedid01 wrote:
>--- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote:
>
> > Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps
>from northern Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling
>down on
>the north side of the mountains from 2000 or 3000 meters to 500 or 700
>meters
>Hm, that sounds awfully similar to what folks in Western Canada who live
>around the Rockies would call a 'chinook'
Or what we in the LA area call the 'Santa Ana's' and we hate it
when it happens
'.....Santa Ana's comin' hot from the North' - Randy Newman 'I
Love LA'
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 12:03
am
Subject: Balloons at Berlin
If you want to get a perspective of the pre-concert festivities at the
Berlin Tangerine Dream concert, please click on these links to see a few
photos:
http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/Balloon1.jpg
http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/Balloon2.jpg
Enjoy!
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 10:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1402
Liondream wrote <<...and for the ones with the SUPER tech savvy fans... >>
LOL!
LnH
Marion
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 2:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined?
I rather liked the Santa Ana's when I lived in Long Beach. Of course I was
right on the water, so it got down to the mid-60's (Fahrenheit) as soon as
the sun went down. Of course the well-above-100 days weren't great, but I
could suddenly see mountains I never knew were there!
James
(isn't it interesting that Germans don't measure temperatures with the scale
created by a famous German scientist? )
-----Original Message-----
From: PENFOLD [mailto:penfold@a...]
Or what we in the LA area call the 'Santa Ana's' and we hate it
when it happens
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: DWT1&2 Tracks (off topic-ish)
Looking at the logs on www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk the two tracks I put up
there have had 85 hits.
Thanks all for your interest.
Matthew
From:
René Brenner
Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 2:24
pm
Subject: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000
I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast from the 20. December
2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite different version of White Eagle
which sounded similar to the official Tatort single but with more strings and
choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997 limited Maxi CD version. If
anyone knows more about it let me know.
Thanks
René
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 2:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000
At 16:24 6-7-02 +0200, you wrote:
>I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast from the 20. December
>2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite different version of White Eagle
>which sounded similar to the official Tatort single but with more strings and
>choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997 limited Maxi CD version. If
>anyone knows more about it let me know.
From Tangents?
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
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8203 AD Lelystad
the Netherlands
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 5:59
pm
Subject: totally off-topic
> (isn't it interesting that Germans don't measure temperatures with the scale
> created by a famous German scientist?
We don't honour our _mad_ scientists as much as others do ;-) ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000
It is the Egar Froese reworked version of White Eagle
and not the 12 inch, Album, or the Tartort release.
It is the version that is available on one of the
recent boxed sets. I just can't think of the name
right now.
Wade
--- Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
wrote:
> At 16:24 6-7-02 +0200, you wrote:
> >I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast
> from the 20. December
> >2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite
> different version of White Eagle
> >which sounded similar to the official Tatort single
> but with more strings and
> >choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997
> limited Maxi CD version. If
> >anyone knows more about it let me know.
>
> From Tangents?
>
>
> Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Kees
>
> GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
> Kees Aerts
> PO Box 2171
> 8203 AD Lelystad
> the Netherlands
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> http://www.groove.nl
>
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From:
Volkmar Friauf
Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 8:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined?
At 16:58 05.07.2002, 'Owens, James' wrote:
>(isn't it interesting that Germans don't measure temperatures with the scale
>created by a famous German scientist? )
Well, most Germany don't listen to the music of a particular German band,
nor even know that it is from German origin...
Volkmar
From:
thesmitter@j...
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 1:58
am
Subject: Off topic - Richard Vimal
Hi,
Sorry for the off topic question, but has anyone ever heard any music from
Richard Vimal (late '70s early '80s)? If so, what's your opinion? I just heard
his name for the first time.
Thanks,
Larry
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic - Richard Vimal
In a message dated 7/7/2002 2:00:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
thesmitter@j... writes:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the off topic question, but has anyone ever heard any music from
> Richard Vimal (late '70s early '80s)? If so, what's your opinion? I just
> heard his name for the first time.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>
A friend just played the reissue CD for me and I for one am impressed.
Classy and melodic... He's French and there's a bit of Jarre there, but
he most certainly has his own voice... more classical leanings, maybe...
no drum machines. I can say the music had instant appeal to me....
not avante garde... very melodic and harmonic... in the best way...
Hope this helps
Paul Ellis
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 9:53
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for III Stooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records.
Anyone know what this item on auction at ebay is?? :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=891929355
Regards from Drizzly Donegal...
Conrad
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 9:55
pm
Subject: The Keep on Laserdisc
Hi everyone,
I am looking for 'The Keep' on Laserdisc. If anyone has one available for
sale or trade please e-mail me off-list.
Thanks,
Conrad
From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 10:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for III Stooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records.
Looks like someone could not come up with an 'original' name for their
group and just added 'Syndicate' to a great name.
Pretty pathetic in my opinion.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 10:53 PM 7/7/02 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Anyone know what this item on auction at ebay is?? :-)
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=891929355
>
>Regards from Drizzly Donegal...
>
>Conrad
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 4:28
am
Subject: Wade Gordon's Radio Show
I highly recommend listening to Wade Gordon's radio show.
Wade plays some great non-mainstream EM, which includes the music we listen
to..
Check it out!
If you want to know more, go to http://www.ricochetdream.com/radio.html
Have a great week! Vic
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:46
am
Subject: A Patchwork Post
I just came back from a two-week holiday trip, and read through those 300+
messages you've left..
1.
I bought Oasis. I like it. Especially Waterborne. The first section sounds
somewhat similar to Straits of Noon (ie: my name for TT#6 track 2. BTW, I
suggest 'Concave Streams' for TT#2), and the themes are great, though
somewhat short. Other highlights would be Flashflood, Cedar Breaks and
Summer Storm. Reflections is IMHO the weakest piece, it reminds me of Twin
Soul Tribe which is unremarkable, too. The rest are average.
But what do some of the titles mean? Zion? Hopi Mesa Heart? Chia Maroon?
Hopi is an Indian tribe I think - about the rest of the words I have no
idea.
2.
Someone asked if Soundmill Navigator is worth buying. Well, if you have
TT#8, you already have most of it. But, am I the only one who likes Edgar's
additions? The intro section is warmer, perhaps even too sweet if you don't
like that kind of stuff. The sequence section hasn't been treated as much;
there're just a few occasional keyboard additions to more idler points and
some organ-burst-like (as in 2nd-to-last section of Livemiles part 1; check
out the RealAudio excerpt on the official discography) sounds & some 'large'
bass moanings (and perhaps some others?) added near the end. The outro has a
longer, shadowy flute section which is great; then comes back the beginning
keyboard theme, which plays as a solo for five minutes. Sort of like as in
Quitzotte part 2... but rather boring.
If you don't have TT#8, then... The main interest here is the hypnotic,
long-scale sequencing. It's sorta like Cherokee Lane (in the beginning), and
Rubycon part 1 - but twice as long. Lead melody is slow, but rather nice. It
gets gradually more complex and climaxes after some fifteen minutes of
creative noodling.
This album is very smooth, and I'd suggest you at least consider it. If you
absolutely hate additions, leave it - but othervise it could be a good idea
to give it a try.
3.
Gee, I thought I just hadn't had enough information about what is Berlin
School exactly, didn't guess you don't know for sure either. Is a German
nationality required, i.e. what about the early works of Vangelis or Jarre?
4.
There's one thing that must be corrected about the Föhn thing. The wind is
not warm simply because it warms up when coming down from the mountains;
wouldn't it have cooled down at least equally when going up? The trick is:
the air going up is rather wet, and cooling causes it to rain. But the
condensation of the gaseous water in the air, creates heat. This extra heat
is what causes the wind to be warm (and dry) when it reaches the other side.
I knew that chinook is a similar phenomenon, but 'santa ana' is a new name
for me.
John Vertical
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From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 12:38
pm
Subject: Re: A Patchwork Post
> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:50:25 EST
> From: 'John Vertical'
>
> I just came back from a two-week holiday trip, and read through those 300+
> messages you've left..
>
> 1.
> I bought Oasis. I like it. Especially Waterborne. The first section sounds
> somewhat similar to Straits of Noon (ie: my name for TT#6 track 2. BTW, I
> suggest 'Concave Streams' for TT#2), and the themes are great, though
> somewhat short. Other highlights would be Flashflood, Cedar Breaks and
> Summer Storm. Reflections is IMHO the weakest piece, it reminds me of Twin
> Soul Tribe which is unremarkable, too. The rest are average.
> But what do some of the titles mean? Zion? Hopi Mesa Heart? Chia Maroon?
> Hopi is an Indian tribe I think - about the rest of the words I have no
> idea.
Zion is a US National Park (and the one I like best - I just returned from
a vacation in Utah, now I've been to Zion 4 times :-)
Cedar Breaks is a National Monument (couldn't go there because of the fscking
forest fires :-( ). _Summer Storm_ probably refers to the thunderstorms that
occur regularly during the summer 'Monsoon' season on the Colorado plateau.
Flash floods are caused when the rain from such a storm collects in normally
dry streams, often far from the actual place where it rained.
Many titles on _Oasis_ and _Canyon Dreams_ refer to the canyon country,
although this may not be obvious if you've never been there (you might not
know that a flash flood is something that regularly occurs in narrow
canyons, for example).
For more information see, e.g.,
http://www.americansouthwest.net/
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/utah/
Bye,
Jens 'suffering from withdrawal symptoms already' Kilian.
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From:
John McIntyre
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 1:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for IIIStooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records.
Robert Grabowsky wrote:
> Looks like someone could not come up with an 'original' name for their
> group and just added 'Syndicate' to a great name.
The pun is a little more complicated than that. Back in the early sixties
there was a band called the Dream Syndicate comprised of LaMonte Young, John
Cale, and Tony Conrad who did things like saw the bridges on cellos flat so
they could play chords.
Consider it a Wheel of Fortune Before and After puzzle. (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
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'richter_arne'
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 1:36
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for IIIStooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records.
Well, here is the official description of that album, found on the
Aquarius Records Homepage:
TANGERINE DREAM SYNDICATE III Violins for III Stooges (Alchemy) cd
19.98
Another in Alchemy's new Inner Mind Music series of spacey delights --
'Live at Alpha Centauri' it says on the inside. The Tangerine Dream
Syndicate wears its influences proudly -- the band is made up of
Tommy Conrad (cello, violin), Johnny Conrad (electronics, violin,
voice), and DeeDee Conrad (bass, violin, voice). Yes, their names
(and the album's title and the band name too) are a bit overt and
silly but this is actually some really fine drone improv! Even though
they'd like you to imagine that they're Tony Conrad's lost brothers,
we suspect that beneath these assumed names you'd find some well-
known Japanese underground noisicans. But they are indeed spiritual,
musical brothers with the American violinist and his '60s Dream
Syndicate colleagues, along with '70s German spacemeisters Tangerine
Dream. It's a successful homage that makes for some mighty fine, late
night drifting listening. It's just one track, nearly a full hour of
high-end string drone, subsonic bass throb, and electronic swoosh.
File in the 'quite omnious yet strangely comforting' section of your
cd collection.
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:15
pm
Subject: Soundmill
>John Vertical writes:
>
>Someone asked if Soundmill Navigator is worth buying. Well, if you have
>TT#8, you already have most of it. But, am I the only one who likes Edgar's
>additions? The intro section is warmer, perhaps even too sweet if you don't
>like that kind of stuff. ....The outro has a
>longer, shadowy flute section which is great; then comes back the beginning
>keyboard theme, which plays as a solo for five minutes. Sort of like as in
>Quitzotte part 2... but rather boring.
Tangerine Tree #8 is the complete 30 1/2 minute concert as played on
1976.06.27 at the Berlin Philharmonic. It's a recording taken from the FM
radio broadcast a few weeks (months?) later. It's a piece of TD history.
Soundmill Navigator adds an additional 11 minutes of ambience, half at the
front, half at the back, plus various overdubs all through the music. I've
said before that I wouldn't mind it terribly if Edgar just did an album
similar to this 11 minutes of addition. I find it to be much stronger,
compositionally, than Seven Letters. Similarly, I don't mind Edgar's
Kamikaze solo montage at the front of the controversial 'Perth' disc on
I-Box. I wish Edgar would stop mixing and matching concerts with separate
compositions.
-Morgan
np Planetary Navigator (a professionally remastered version of Soundmill
with the annoying tape flaw removed)
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:45
pm
Subject: Zion (was RE:A Patchwork Post)
Just FYI: What makes Zion such a spectacular place
I've only been to Zion Canyon once, but it has made a lasting impression.
It was the middle of August in the Utah desert. 95+ degrees (measured in
the mad Grman scientist scale) and dry as a bone (it's the desert in summer
- this is what you expect).
Anyway, we started a short hike into the canyon. It wasn't long before I
started to notice the humidity rising, and the temperature dropping. Well
into the canyon, I'd say the temperature had dropped to about 80, and
humidity was pretty high. The scenery had really changed too. If you were
to look around, you'd think we were in a rain forest on a tropical island
somewhere. There were all sorts of plants and mosses growing on the canyon
walls. The ground was almost swamp-like, with frogs and moss and vines all
around. The creek/river that runs through the canyon is only about waist
high most of the way. We met some people who were wading down the river
from the upper end of the canyon (there's no trail on that side IIRC).
It is just absolutely amazing to go from desert to tropical in less than a
mile. A truly spectacular freak of nature, hence the name Zion (from the
Bible - the mountain of God).
I can see why this inspired TD to compose music about it.
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Jens Kilian [mailto:Jens_Kilian@a...]
Zion is a US National Park (and the one I like best - I just returned from
a vacation in Utah, now I've been to Zion 4 times :-)
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000
Kees,
I've just researched the answera to your question
regarding the song 'White Eagle' from the Elektro
Beats TD poll from 12-20-2000. The song 'White Eagle'
was from the 'Tangents' box set. The song is from
Disc 2, Track 1. The song was rerecorded by Edgar
Froese and it is on the Virgin Records, Ltd. label
released in 1994.
I hope this answers your question.
Best regards,
Wade Gordon
--- Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
wrote:
> At 16:24 6-7-02 +0200, you wrote:
> >I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast
> from the 20. December
> >2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite
> different version of White Eagle
> >which sounded similar to the official Tatort single
> but with more strings and
> >choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997
> limited Maxi CD version. If
> >anyone knows more about it let me know.
>
> From Tangents?
>
>
> Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Kees
>
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 7:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000
At 12:07 8-7-02 -0700, you wrote:
>Kees,
>
>I've just researched the answera to your question
>regarding the song 'White Eagle' from the Elektro
>Beats TD poll from 12-20-2000. The song 'White Eagle'
>was from the 'Tangents' box set. The song is from
>Disc 2, Track 1. The song was rerecorded by Edgar
>Froese and it is on the Virgin Records, Ltd. label
>released in 1994.
>
>I hope this answers your question.
Hi Wade,
It wasn't my question. It was my answer/suggestion. :-)
But whoever asked it is also on the list and will be happy to know this.
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 9:04
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #276
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #276 July 4, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient
and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was
'Gateway' on the Deep Sky label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Floating Music' by Robert Schroder on the IC
label.
Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Robert Schroder Floating Music Floating Music (IC)
Klangwelt Weltweit Weltweit (Spheric)
Terra Ambient To the Brink and Back The Darker Space (Space for
Music)
VA [Vir Unis] The Slow Motion World Portraits (In the Bubble
of All Desires Music)
VA [romb] Above the Earth 2000 Lost & Found (Foundry/Hypnos)
VA [Seofon and Collecting the Spirits Lost & Found (Foundry/Hypnos)
vidnaObmana]
Vir Unis and Monastery of the The Yellow House (In the Bubble
Chris Short South * Music)
12:00 am
Robert Carty Opening Gateway (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty The Gateway Gateway (Deep Sky)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Energy' on the Deep Sky label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Body Love Volume 2' by Klaus
Schulze on the Brain label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 10:07
pm
Subject: Change of address
Hello fellow Tang Fans,
For those of you who are in contact with me through snail mail, please note
my new address:
Conrad Gibbons
37 Brookfield Heights
Letterkenny
Co. Donegal
Ireland
My old address (37 Beinn Aoibhinn) is now invalid.
TD Content Question: Is 'The Soldier' available on Laserdisc?
Thanks,
Conrad
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:23
am
Subject: Shivers
Out of curiosity... What albums from any
composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
like that... ;-)
(Not in any particular order...)
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass
sequence starts...)
Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst Flight...)
Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in
Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices
of Authority...)
John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in
Journey To The Island...)
John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of
short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in
Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very
thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The Chase
Through Coruscant...)
Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If you've
heard it, you know what I'm talking about...)
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic
start in The Source of Secrets and the even more
energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The
Clouds...)
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part.
Especially the finale where the African Drums are!
Simply amazing...)
Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire among
other songs in this album...)
Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly (The
main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many
other ALBUMS from the dude...)
Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning of
the track Hummel Gets The Rockets)
Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and the
marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...)
Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The Line.
It just rises and rises...)
Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha.
Great stuff...)
Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them here!
The start of the Movement 4 for instance...)
Now it's your turn!
Regards,
Marko Marin
aka TheInfection
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
as much as i love TD and all their berlin-school chronies ...
i can only contribute three, none of them by my beloved klaus or franke:
King Crimson: 'Starless' from Red
- only if i listen to it all the way through, and only near the end when
there's that huge mellotron chord movement over the pedal point in the bass
guitar.
David Sylvian: 'Wave' from Damage (live album with Fripp and Michael Brook)
- Fripp's GR-300 solo in the middle, right after the fifth-harmonised chapman
stick line. the rest of the song makes me feel pretty good too.
John Williams: 'The Force' from the Star Wars score
- that part when Luke is standing looking over the Tatooine desert. that's some
beautiful music right there. (btw, i have a dub reggae cover of that for
download at my website. as performed by my organ trio)
Vangelis: 'Blush Response' from the Blade Runner score
- why doesn't he make music this good anymore?
J.S. Bach: Passacaglia & Fugue in C Minor
- either performed by Virgil Fox or the Robert Fripp String Quintet. probably
my favourite piece of music by my favourite composer.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
I agree on several of yours choices...........and wants to add..............
Hans Zimmer - Gladiator. Lisa Gerrards voice on ''Sorrow'
Enya - The memories of trees. 'La Sonadora'
Enya - Watermarks. 'Cursum Perficio'
Tangerine Dream - White Eagle. 'White Eagle'
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear. 'Invisible Limits', when that solo kicks in at
5.20.....
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marko Marin'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: [tadream] Shivers
> Out of curiosity... What albums from any
> composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
> your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
> like that... ;-)
>
> (Not in any particular order...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass
> sequence starts...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst Flight...)
>
> Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in
> Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices
> of Authority...)
>
> John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in
> Journey To The Island...)
>
> John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of
> short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in
> Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very
> thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The Chase
> Through Coruscant...)
>
> Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If you've
> heard it, you know what I'm talking about...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic
> start in The Source of Secrets and the even more
> energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The
> Clouds...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part.
> Especially the finale where the African Drums are!
> Simply amazing...)
>
> Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire among
> other songs in this album...)
>
> Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly (The
> main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many
> other ALBUMS from the dude...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning of
> the track Hummel Gets The Rockets)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and the
> marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The Line.
> It just rises and rises...)
>
> Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha.
> Great stuff...)
>
> Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them here!
> The start of the Movement 4 for instance...)
>
> Now it's your turn!
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
> aka TheInfection
>
>
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>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Popol Vuh - Vuh (1972)
Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos (1972)
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (title track, the mellotron part)
Tangerine Dream - Nottingham Albert Hall 08 Nov. 1976 first track (Tangerine
Tree Vol.1)
Tangerine Dream - Ricochet Part Two
Captain Beefheart - Electricity (from 'Safe as milk', 1966)
Comsat Angels - Sleep no more (title track from 1981 LP)
Klaus Schulze - Crystal lake (from 'Mirage', 1977)
Pere Ubu - Non-alignment pact (from 'The Modern Dance', 1977)
Tim Buckley - Love from Room 109 at The Islander (from 'Happy/Sad', 1968)
MX-80 Sound - Cover to cover (from 'Crowd control', 1981)
The Residents - Festival of death (last 3-4 minutes) (from 'Eskimo', 1979)
regards
Heiko
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter,
bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of
'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the
string melody sets in, and the break with
mellotron (I guess) choir...
armin
Marko Marin wrote:
> Out of curiosity... What albums from any
> composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
> your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
> like that... ;-)
>
> (Not in any particular order...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass
> sequence starts...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst Flight...)
>
> Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in
> Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices
> of Authority...)
>
> John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in
> Journey To The Island...)
>
> John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of
> short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in
> Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very
> thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The Chase
> Through Coruscant...)
>
> Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If you've
> heard it, you know what I'm talking about...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic
> start in The Source of Secrets and the even more
> energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The
> Clouds...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part.
> Especially the finale where the African Drums are!
> Simply amazing...)
>
> Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire among
> other songs in this album...)
>
> Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly (The
> main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many
> other ALBUMS from the dude...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning of
> the track Hummel Gets The Rockets)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and the
> marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The Line.
> It just rises and rises...)
>
> Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha.
> Great stuff...)
>
> Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them here!
> The start of the Movement 4 for instance...)
>
> Now it's your turn!
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
> aka TheInfection
>
>
> =====
>
>
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:48
am
Subject: Pedants corner #396
John Vertical asked <>
Well, John, I hope this helps, but it's all a bit indefinite....
Zion (or Sion) has various meanings, according to my dictionary:
1) the hill on which the city of Jerusalem stands
2) in Judaism, the ancient Israelites of the Bible _or_ the modern Jewish
nation _or_ Israel as the national home of the Jewish people - hence the
term 'Zionist'.
3) in Christianity, heaven regarded as the city of God and the final home
of his elect (this is the way I would be most likely to use it)
4) any form of social organisation, way of life, or life after death
regarded as an ultimate goal (it's used this way by the character Tank in
the film 'The Matrix')
5) a religious community, or its site, regarded as chosen by God and under
His special protection, or an ideal theocratic community, especially any of
the Christian churches regarded as such a community (I think it was used a
lot this way in the times of the various Puritan sects who set up isolated
communities in America)
It also has a particular meaning for Rastafarians - I think it falls
somewhere around definition 4 above, but I'm not a Rastafarian so I
wouldn't like to be too definite. You'll find it turning up often in the
songs of Bob Marley, for example.
There's also a place called Sion in the Alps, about 50k from the Matterhorn
Hopi - you're right here, it's a Native American people found around
Arizona. I believe they're not like our conventional view of Native
Americans culled from a century of 'Cowboys and Indians' films, more akin
to the ancient Aztecs.
Mesa is a geographical term used to describe a flat topped, steep sided,
pinnacle of rock - you see them in all the best cowboy films. Actually it
doesn't have to be a pinnacle, it can just be steep sided table land, but
the former is the sense in which its most widely used.
The Hopi build their homes in and on mesas, and I think their sacred places
are underground. So I guess Hopi Mesa heart is the heart of a mesa
inhabited by the Hopi people - i.e. a Native American sacred place.
Chia I can't offer much help with - the word isn't familiar to me, and it
doesn't appear in my dictionaries or encyclopaedia, and I can't find it in
Google. Maybe it's not English. The nearest I can think of is Chian, a
native of one of the Aegean islands, or cha, a slang word for tea, but
neither of these fit with maroon.
Maroon has various meanings again.
1) it's a colour: a dark purplish red.
2) It can be an exploding firework, usually in the context of signal
rockets (e.g. used to signal the start of a boat race, or as a distress
signal).
3) To maroon someone is to abandon them, usually on a desert island, but it
can just mean to isolate them without resources.
4) Related to that, it is used to describe one of the peoples living in the
remoter area of the West Indies and Guyana, the descendants of runaway
slaves. In this context, it is derived from the American Spanish word
'cimarron', meaning wild (literally 'living on the peaks', from the Spanish
word 'cima', meaning summit.
Maybe Chia Maroon is a form of Cimarron in a language other than English?
With a big leap of the imagination, you could say that they all have
connections with spirituality, mountains and / or the Americas. This seems
to tie in with some of the other track names.
I hope this helps, but I think the best we can say is that we're not much
wiser, but at least we're better informed!
LnH
Marion
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:25
am
Subject: Questions questions questions
> I hope this helps, but I think the best we can say is that we're not much
> wiser, but at least we're better informed!
I think it's high time for another online chat with 'the Froeses', since they
know most of the answers to our questions (like the true meaning of a specific
track title) !. Also, I have a truckload full of questions about possible
future releases, concerts, unreleased recordings etc. which I fear will remain
unanswered. But since Martin, our esteemed TDI manager, is on this mailing list
it may be a good idea to ask him for advice about the possibility of some sort
of online chat, or a Q&A forum on the TD website?! :-)
Heiko
From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:18
am
Subject: Re: Shivers
--- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter,
> bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of
> 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the
> string melody sets in, and the break with
> mellotron (I guess) choir...
Ah yes thats a great part.
In fact I like the whole CD.
He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody
notice it but the choir goes from male to female in
the same set.
How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be re-released
as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player for it).
I believe the recordings are surround already.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:27
am
Subject: OT Tomita (was: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers)
yes, Tomita did great stuff, and had a great sense of
humour (i.e. the StarWars Theme ;-) )
Besides 'Planets' I love very much 'Pictures at an Exhibition'
and 'The Bermuda Triangle'
He's the master on the Moog. Ok, and Walter/Wendy Carlos...
a.
>
> Ah yes thats a great part.
> In fact I like the whole CD.
> He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody
> notice it but the choir goes from male to female in
> the same set.
> How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be re-released
> as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player for it).
> I believe the recordings are surround already.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
OK... here´s a few of mine that give me shivers all the time, just for fun
;-):
- Comsat Angels - Gone
- Psychedelic Furs - No Easy Street
- Depeche Mode - Black Celebration
- All About Eve - Drowning
- The Church - Radiance (esp. the chorus)
- Peter Murphy - Marlene Dietrich´s Favorite Poem
- David Bowie - Ashes to Ashes
- Saviour Machine - Love Never Dies
- Genesis - Suppertime
- King Crimson - Epitaph
- Queensryche - Silent Lucidity
- Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine
- Tones on Tail - Christian Says
- Gitane DeMone - Lose this Gravity
- The Marionettes - Play Dead
to name but a few... :-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:11
am
Subject: Shivers
1,Tangerine Dream-Royal Albert Hall 2,4,1975 wooooowwwwww Awesome
2, Tangerine Dream-Poland concert Incredible
3,Pink Floyd-Echoes from MEDDLE
4,Steely Dan AJA-Fantastic album
5,Ozric Tentacles-Erpland
6,Led Zeppelin-In The Light-Physical Graffitti
7,Jon and Vangelis-I hear you now(Sublime)
8,Tangerine Dream Afternoon In The Desert/Love Fantasy from Flashpoint
IM gonna have this in my Funeral.
9,Chuck Van Zyl-The Moment Of Totality from Celestial Mechanics
10,Yes-The Gates Of Delirium from Relayer.Their best ever,Moraz did a
super job.
Theres many more that give me the Shivers,but these came to mind.
An Arist who is making some great EM music now is OTARION.Check out
his new CD Creator,superb stuff.
Best regards Colin.
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:07:01 -0700, Wade Gordon wrote:
> Kees,
>
> I've just researched the answera to your question
> regarding the song 'White Eagle' from the Elektro
> Beats TD poll from 12-20-2000. The song 'White Eagle'
> was from the 'Tangents' box set. The song is from
> Disc 2, Track 1. The song was rerecorded by Edgar
> Froese and it is on the Virgin Records, Ltd. label
> released in 1994.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
Hi Wade
It was me who asked the question. Thanks for your 'research' for that TD song
and I know where to spend the money next time.
Greetings
Rene
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 11:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Okayy, here comes a rather long list of TD pieces... Plenty of these require
a specific mood, but all can be re-experienced.
1. Alpha Centauri (outro)
2. Birth of Liquid Plejades (when the first synth lines enter around 4 mins)
3. Atem (the last 5 minutes)
4. Rubycon Part I (from about 12'00' to 13'30')
5. Ricochet Part II (in general)
6. Soundmill Navigator / Birth of a Black Hole (the sequencers' fadeout)
7. Scale Deluxe (in general)
8. Indolent Annihilation (outro)
9. Cherokee Lane (around 8-9 and 13-14 mins)
10. Madrigal Meridian (outro)
11. Cloudburst Flight (guitar climax)
12. Through Metamorphic Rocks (main sequence beginning)
13. Quichotte Part 1 (flute section)
14. Tangram Set 1 (glitters around 4 mins)
15. Kiew Mission (climax)
16. Remote Viewing (outro)
17. Logos ('blue part' ending)
18. Mojave Plan (mid-screech)
19. White Eagle (outro)
20. Horizon (the section from 6 mins onward & last two minutes)
21. Valley of the Sun
22. Song Of The Whale Part II (guitarsolo)
23. Livemiles (Albuquerque Concert) (bridge into 'San Buena Ventura')
24. Livemiles (West Berlin Concert) (Dolphin Dance in general)
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From:
'Alexander Grushetsky'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (specially the ends of both parts)
Mike Oldfield - Discovery - The Lake (the end of song)
Mike Oldfield - Amarok (some moments)
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells II - The Bell
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells III - Far Above The Clouds
Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure - Force Majeure & Cloudburst Flight
Tangerine Dream - Tangram - Set I
And many other moments from their albums
Some traditional prog/neo-prog/progmetal groups:
Arena - Songs From The Lion Cage - Solomon
Arena - The Visitor (specially Hanging Tree)
Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory (most of album, specially Home and
Finally Free)
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood (the whole album)
Marillion - Brave (some moments)
Maybe I'll remember something else
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Pedants corner #396
>Mesa is a geographical term used to describe a flat topped, steep sided,
>pinnacle of rock (...) it can just be steep sided table land (...)
And the Portuguese/Spanish word for 'table' is actually 'mesa', so there you go.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Shivers? hah!, these can make me cry sometimes (a few of them, always):
TD - Poland
Poland Extracts and White Eagle were the first TD albums I bought, so they're
very special for me.
TD - Invisible Limits, Force Majeure third section (beginning at 6:48),
Pergamon piano intro, Thru Metamorphic Rocks
Invisible Limits is just a perfect track; that sequence in Majeure and the
melody just make me jump around when listening to them. And Pergamon was the
first TD music I actually heard, 2-3 weeks before Poland. Oh, that Tangram
theme... and TMR with its malfunctioning equipment was what made me curious tu
buy Majeure. Its intro is classic shiver. 'what the hell is that', I said to
myself when listening the 1st time.
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
All of part 1, and the final song. I rarely don't cry with those. Absoulte
heaven.
Oldfield - Amarok, Hergest Ridge
several times throughout Amarok, and specially the end of HR part 1. the same
happens.
Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal
I believe some of you here have heard of that other Eddie... he was one of
those electronic pioneers; some really interesting stories about him. I bought
recently a double CD with all his complete works, and a nice, thick booklet.
This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this is a case of serious shiver. It's
amazing how he managed in a quite simple way to create some REALLY dark vocal
passages here. I couldn't stand listening to this the other day, late at night,
dark bedroom. You should try to find this one.
TD - Alpha Centauri
The closing vocal passage scared the hell out of me the first time I heard it.
It was like 3am, and I was playing it for the first time, all dark, and after
some 18 minutes of oooohs,aaaaaahs, and sinister sounds, everything gets
suddenly lower and this ghostly voice begins saying 'der geist...'. I
instantaneously threw the earphones away (fast heartbeat) and couldn't listen
anymore for a long time. 'hell of crazy music!' I said. Alpha Centauri is my
favourite pink years album.
Some other music that makes me jump:
Ravi Shankar/Philip Glass - Passages
specially the amazing Meetings Along the Edge.
Philip Glass - Music in 12 parts, part 2
If I could jump during its 19 minutes I would.
Jarre - Magnetic Fields part 2 live in China
my number 1 Jarre track.
Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3
Top of the Morning, and the very excellent ending Far Above the Clouds.
TD - Cloudburst Flight
Do I need to say Majeure is my favourite TD album?
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 1:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal
> I believe some of you here have heard of that other Eddie... he was one of
those electronic pioneers; some really interesting stories about him. I bought
recently a double CD with all his complete works, and a nice, thick booklet.
This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this is a case of serious shiver. It's
amazing how he managed in a quite simple way to create some REALLY dark vocal
passages here. I couldn't stand listening to this the other day, late at night,
dark bedroom. You should try to find this one.
>
his percussion stuff is a revelation!
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:10
pm
Subject: Re: Shivers
--- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> OK... here´s a few of mine that give me shivers all the time, just
for fun
> ;-):
>
> - Comsat Angels - Gone
> to name but a few... :-)
Please name us more! I know about half of these songs and they are
truly, truly great. Makes me want to rush out and get to know the
other half to see what I have been missing.
Here are a few of mines that come to mind:
This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren & Fyt - It'll End In Tears
Nouvelles Polyphonies Corses & Hector Zazou - Onda - Self-Titled
The Cure - Cold - Pornography
Fleetwood Mac - Oh Well (Part 2) - Then Play On
Simple Minds - East At Easter - Sparkle In The Rain
Dead Can Dance - Xavier - Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun
The Sound - Where The Love Is - All Fall Down
John Foxx - The Garden - The Garden
and all time ultimate 'Shiver Track':
Joy Division - Decades - Closer
Arne
From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Pedants corner #396
>
> Hopi - you're right here, it's a Native American
> people found around
> Arizona. I believe they're not like our conventional
> view of Native
> Americans culled from a century of 'Cowboys and
> Indians' films, more akin
> to the ancient Aztecs.
>
> Mesa is a geographical term used to describe a flat
> topped, steep sided,
> pinnacle of rock - you see them in all the best
> cowboy films. Actually it
> doesn't have to be a pinnacle, it can just be steep
> sided table land, but
> the former is the sense in which its most widely
> used.
>
> The Hopi build their homes in and on mesas, and I
> think their sacred places
> are underground. So I guess Hopi Mesa heart is the
> heart of a mesa
> inhabited by the Hopi people - i.e. a Native
> American sacred place.
A few simple notes to add here - The Hopi live in
Pueblo style buildings clustered together with a
central plaza. The people are assoicaited with certain
clan associations (Bear clan, Badger clan, etc.) and
each has it's own ceremonial Kiva, a large underground
circular room. Their traditions are similar to some of
the Zuni groups and both seem to have some form of
linkage to the long gone Anasazi who built the
impressive cliff dwellings in some of the most
inhospitable land on the planet.
The Hopi Mesa is part of the Black Mesa in NE Arizon
and much of it is a joint use area with the Navajo, a
very different culture who's traditional houseing, the
hogan, is a log building with a sod roof sprouting
grass.
This is all a bit oversimplified but there is much
literature on the Hopi, Frank Water's Book of the Hopi
is a classic and well worth reading.
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers
OK, going on a tangent here. I've been wracking my
brain to try and remember another recording of Holst's
Planets by a prog band sometime in the 80s. I thought
for a while it might have been Clearlight but I cann't
find any trace of a Planets recording by them.
Anyone have any ideas who this might have been? I'd
love to hear it again.
DanD
--- mars103nl wrote:
> --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen
> wrote:
> >
> > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter,
> > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of
> > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the
> > string melody sets in, and the break with
> > mellotron (I guess) choir...
>
> Ah yes thats a great part.
> In fact I like the whole CD.
> He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody
> notice it but the choir goes from male to female in
> the same set.
> How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be
> re-released
> as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player
> for it).
> I believe the recordings are surround already.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
>
>
>
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From:
mikael.jussila@p...
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:29
pm
Subject: [tadream] re: Shivers
>What albums sends shivers down your spine when you hear it?
Very few, actually. Maybe I'm bit too analytic, but who cares. Here's my brief
list:
King Crimson: Starless (Red) - The last minute is pure beauty in the middle of
chaos.
King Crimson: Fracture (Starless and Bible Black) - The moment when hell breaks
loose.
Brian Eno: St. Elmo's Fire (Another Green World) - Fripp's magnificent solo.
Mike Oldfield: Far Above The Clouds (Tubular Bells III) - 'And nothing was ever
heard of him, except for the sound of Tu-bu-lar Bells.'
King Crimson: Deception of The Thrush (Heavy KonstruKction) - Fripp meets Eliot.
Yup, it seems like Ol' Unca Bob gives me a lot of shivers.
*Fornit Some Fornus*
MJUSSILA
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Shivers
My abbreviated 'shiver' list...
1. Tangerine Dream, Tyger, 'London'
2. Mike Oldfield, Ommadawn, 'Ommadawn pt.1'
3. Ray Lynch, No Blue Thing, 'The True Spirit of Mom and Dad' and 'Clouds
Below Your Knees'
4. Klaus Schulze, In Blue, 'The Return of the Tempel'
5. Steve Morse, High Tension Wires, 'Highland Wedding'
6. Dixie Dregs, Dregs of the Earth, 'Hereafter'
7. Porcupine Tree, Stupid Dream, 'Even Less'
8. Dead Can Dance, various, 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley', 'American
Dreaming', 'In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed are Kings', 'How
Fortunate the Man with None' ...and about 15 others.
9. Tangerine Dream, Optical Race, 'Sungate'
10. Genesis, Selling England By the Pound, 'Firth of Fifth'
11. Yes, Close to the Edge, 'And You and I'
12. Deep Purple, Purpendicuar, 'Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming'
13. U2, Joshua Tree, 'Where the Streets Have No Name'
14. Marillion, Fugazi, 'Fugazi'
15. Gentle Giant, Octopus, 'Raconteur Troubadour'
16. Hawkwind, Space Bandits, 'Images>Black Elk Speaks>Wings'
17. Focus, Moving Waves, 'Eruption (Tommy)'
18. King Crimson, Red, 'Starless'
19. King Crimson, Three of A Perfect Pair, 'Sleepless'
20. Anthony Phillips, Slow Dance, 'Slowdance Pt. 1 and 2'
21. Allman Brothers Band, The Fillmore Concerts, 'In Memory of Elizabeth
Reed'
22. Camel, Moonmadness, 'Spirit of the Water' and 'Lunar Sea'
23. PFM, The World Became the World, 'The World Became the World'
24. Patrick Moraz, Human Interface, 'Light Elements'
25. Micheal Hoenig, Departure From the Northern Wasteland, 'Departure From
the Northern Wasteland'
26. Patrick O'Hearn, Eldorado, 'Black Delilah'
27. Peter Hammil, The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage, 'The Lie (Bernini's
St. Theresa)'
28. Pink Floyd, Obscurred By Clouds, 'Mudmen'
29. Ashra, Correlations, 'Pas de Trois'
30. Pink Floyd, Animals, 'Pigs (Three Different Ones's)'
From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 3:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Shivers
Emerson Lake and Powell did a killer version of 'Mars: Bringer of War'...
> OK, going on a tangent here. I've been wracking my
> brain to try and remember another recording of Holst's
> Planets by a prog band sometime in the 80s. I thought
> for a while it might have been Clearlight but I cann't
> find any trace of a Planets recording by them.
> Anyone have any ideas who this might have been? I'd
> love to hear it again.
>
> DanD
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 3:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Great List!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: 'C. Chambers'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Shivers
> My abbreviated 'shiver' list...
>
> 1. Tangerine Dream, Tyger, 'London'
> 2. Mike Oldfield, Ommadawn, 'Ommadawn pt.1'
> 3. Ray Lynch, No Blue Thing, 'The True Spirit of Mom and Dad' and 'Clouds
> Below Your Knees'
> 4. Klaus Schulze, In Blue, 'The Return of the Tempel'
> 5. Steve Morse, High Tension Wires, 'Highland Wedding'
> 6. Dixie Dregs, Dregs of the Earth, 'Hereafter'
> 7. Porcupine Tree, Stupid Dream, 'Even Less'
> 8. Dead Can Dance, various, 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley', 'American
> Dreaming', 'In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed are Kings', 'How
> Fortunate the Man with None' ...and about 15 others.
> 9. Tangerine Dream, Optical Race, 'Sungate'
> 10. Genesis, Selling England By the Pound, 'Firth of Fifth'
> 11. Yes, Close to the Edge, 'And You and I'
> 12. Deep Purple, Purpendicuar, 'Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming'
> 13. U2, Joshua Tree, 'Where the Streets Have No Name'
> 14. Marillion, Fugazi, 'Fugazi'
> 15. Gentle Giant, Octopus, 'Raconteur Troubadour'
> 16. Hawkwind, Space Bandits, 'Images>Black Elk Speaks>Wings'
> 17. Focus, Moving Waves, 'Eruption (Tommy)'
> 18. King Crimson, Red, 'Starless'
> 19. King Crimson, Three of A Perfect Pair, 'Sleepless'
> 20. Anthony Phillips, Slow Dance, 'Slowdance Pt. 1 and 2'
> 21. Allman Brothers Band, The Fillmore Concerts, 'In Memory of Elizabeth
> Reed'
> 22. Camel, Moonmadness, 'Spirit of the Water' and 'Lunar Sea'
> 23. PFM, The World Became the World, 'The World Became the World'
> 24. Patrick Moraz, Human Interface, 'Light Elements'
> 25. Micheal Hoenig, Departure From the Northern Wasteland, 'Departure From
> the Northern Wasteland'
> 26. Patrick O'Hearn, Eldorado, 'Black Delilah'
> 27. Peter Hammil, The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage, 'The Lie
(Bernini's
> St. Theresa)'
> 28. Pink Floyd, Obscurred By Clouds, 'Mudmen'
> 29. Ashra, Correlations, 'Pas de Trois'
> 30. Pink Floyd, Animals, 'Pigs (Three Different Ones's)'
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 4:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Hi All!
Matthew Stringer wrote:
>
> Great List!!!
Yes! All are great lists.
I must say that I'm truly humbled. I thought I was a music fan, but the
lists presented here, right off the tops of your heads, are stunning.
They all sound like great food for 'greatest hits' albums. Not for the
masses though I suppose.
Thanks all. -- Mark (...now i have more albums to buy...)
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 4:46
pm
Subject: Oasis names
This is not complete or difinitive, but to allay speculation we can at least
get a few facts straight. This will not go into detail about information
already given in previous posts.
1. Flash Flood - a desert phenomenon where dry river beds suddenly rush with
water, often miles from where the rain actually falls. (See previous post
about flash floods).
2. Zion - I posted yesterday about the definition of Zion. In this case, it
refers to Zion Canyon National Park in Utah. It's around 40 miles from
Cedar Breaks National Monument, also in Utah. Both of these are around 40
miles from Bryce Canyon National Park, which I think is more spectacular (at
least in pictures) than Grand Canyon National Park.
About 5 years ago I spent a holiday weekend exploring Bryce, Zion, and Cedar
Breaks. All of these are just spectacular if you ever make it out to Utah.
3. Reflections - probably a reference to shallow, still pools of water that
reflect the sky and surroundings almost like a mirror.
4. Cliff Dwellers - a reference to the Anasazi, an ancient race of Indians
who actually carved entire villages and great palaces out of cliff faces
(called pueblos) - quite a smart thing in the desert. The Anasazi, at about
the same time of the Crusades in Europe, had a rather impressive society,
largely agricultural, and only supplemented by the stereotypical
hunting/gathering. Their society collapsed rather mysteriously. There's a
lot of speculation about what happened to them. See:
http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/du_peo_ana.html for more info about the
Anasazi. Mesa Verde is the location of the most famous cliff dwellings.
5. Waterborne - nearly everything in the desert is subject to being carried
off by water (especially during a flash flood). I'm guessing this refers to
the power of water to erode and yet to provide life.
6. Cedar Breaks - as mentioned above, this is a National Monument in Utah.
7. Summer Storm - someone already posted a definitive statement on this.
Basically a sort of very sudden storm.
8. Hopi Mesa Heart - The Hopi are believed to be descendants of the Anasazi,
and live in mesa/cliff dwellings. (Mesa is basically a flat-topped
mountain). See previous posts of mesas and on the Hopi.
9. Chia Maroon - Chia (Salvia columbariae) is a desert plant with small
purple or deep blue flowers. Along with Maize and Amaranth, Chia was a
staple grain of Native Americans of the Southwest and of the Aztecs of what
is now Mexico. The parched seeds of the Chia were ground to make the staple
flour, pinole. Chia seeds were also placed in water to make beverages. The
Aztec and Anasazi cultures were heavily dependant on Chia. Some speculation
blames the collapse of Anasazi society on a massive Chia crop failure.
You can purchase Chia seeds at most 'organic' and/or health-food stores.
I've even seen Chia beverages at some of the more esoteric coffee shops.
You can find a nice picture of the Chia plant at
http://www.azuswebworks.com/html/chia.htm
The 'maroon' part I'm pretty sure refers to the color. The seed pods seem
to have a reddish or maroon coloring below the flower (see the picture).
I'd guess that a field of these after the flowers drop would have a maroon
color.
So there you have it.
James
From:
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Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
At 02.07.09-03:47, Eric Williamson wrote:
>Vangelis: 'Blush Response' from the Blade Runner score - why doesn't he
>make music this good anymore?
Awesome track!
In fact this CD is entirely great!
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 5:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Good topic!
I'm at work right now so no big list but without
question Jeff Buckley's cd 'Grace', specificall the
double-whammy of 'Hallelujah' and 'Lover You Should
Have Come Over'...
'It's never over, my kingdom for a kiss upon her
shoulder' Wow...a what a voice he had.
To keep it TD related: Have to agree with Rubycon..and
pretty much most of Alchemy of the Heart. Probably
tons more but back to the grindstone for now
--- Marko Marin wrote:
> Out of curiosity... What albums from any
> composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
> your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
> like that... ;-)
>
> (Not in any particular order...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass
> sequence starts...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst
> Flight...)
>
> Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in
> Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices
> of Authority...)
>
> John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in
> Journey To The Island...)
>
> John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of
> short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in
> Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very
> thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The
> Chase
> Through Coruscant...)
>
> Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If
> you've
> heard it, you know what I'm talking about...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic
> start in The Source of Secrets and the even more
> energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The
> Clouds...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part.
> Especially the finale where the African Drums are!
> Simply amazing...)
>
> Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire
> among
> other songs in this album...)
>
> Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
> (The
> main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many
> other ALBUMS from the dude...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning
> of
> the track Hummel Gets The Rockets)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and
> the
> marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The
> Line.
> It just rises and rises...)
>
> Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha.
> Great stuff...)
>
> Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them
> here!
> The start of the Movement 4 for instance...)
>
> Now it's your turn!
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
> aka TheInfection
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 1:02
pm
Subject: CD Request
Hello,
I have been looking for a while now for the Castle Communication Remasters
(1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit.
If you have any of those listed above for sale (new/sealed if possible) or
know where they are still available please let me know.
Thank you
René
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: Shivers
I just stop when I hear:
TD - Silver Scale
David Bowie - Up the hill backwards
TD - Topping out ceremony
Klaus - Ludwig 2 von Bayern
Marcella Detroit - I believe
Banco de Gaia -
ELP - Karn Evil 9
Sly Stone - take me higher
Fashion - White stuff
Bauhaus - She's in parties
Global Communication - the one with all those numbers
Glide
Scritti Politti - prince among men
Yoko Ono - walking on thin ice
T.Rex - Electric Warrior
Michael Rother - Feuerland
Patti Smith - Paths that cross
Future sound of London - My Kingdom
KS - DSOM 2
Loop Guru 3rd Chamber
TD livemiles
TD Moorland
Peter Hammill - a louse is not a home
VDGG - refugees
Steve Hillage - its all too much
Orbital Satan
The Orb - assassin
there are probably loads more
David
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Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:13
pm
Subject: Re: Shivers
> From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
> Subject: Re: Shivers
>
> OK... here´s a few of mine that give me shivers all the time, just
for fun
> ;-):
>
> ...
> - David Bowie - Ashes to Ashes
Track with same title from a certain Berlin band shivers more... ;-)
Peter
From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Yes Gustavo!!
Alpha was the first TD album that I bought on Ohr in '71 and the majestic
ending with the vocals really blew me away. I didn't have the translation
then but the sound and the imagined meaning of the vocals were magnificent
.Like someone else noted this would be, still to this day my ' In Memoriam'
Ps Anybody ever listened to the numerous versions of Black Napkins by FZ ,
another melt and shiver.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Shivers? hah!, these can make me cry sometimes (a few of them, always):
TD - Poland
Poland Extracts and White Eagle were the first TD albums I bought, so
they're very special for me.
TD - Invisible Limits, Force Majeure third section (beginning at 6:48),
Pergamon piano intro, Thru Metamorphic Rocks
Invisible Limits is just a perfect track; that sequence in Majeure and the
melody just make me jump around when listening to them. And Pergamon was the
first TD music I actually heard, 2-3 weeks before Poland. Oh, that Tangram
theme... and TMR with its malfunctioning equipment was what made me curious
tu buy Majeure. Its intro is classic shiver. 'what the hell is that', I said
to myself when listening the 1st time.
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
All of part 1, and the final song. I rarely don't cry with those. Absoulte
heaven.
Oldfield - Amarok, Hergest Ridge
several times throughout Amarok, and specially the end of HR part 1. the
same happens.
Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal
I believe some of you here have heard of that other Eddie... he was one of
those electronic pioneers; some really interesting stories about him. I
bought recently a double CD with all his complete works, and a nice, thick
booklet. This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this is a case of serious
shiver. It's amazing how he managed in a quite simple way to create some
REALLY dark vocal passages here. I couldn't stand listening to this the
other day, late at night, dark bedroom. You should try to find this one.
TD - Alpha Centauri
The closing vocal passage scared the hell out of me the first time I heard
it. It was like 3am, and I was playing it for the first time, all dark, and
after some 18 minutes of oooohs,aaaaaahs, and sinister sounds, everything
gets suddenly lower and this ghostly voice begins saying 'der geist...'. I
instantaneously threw the earphones away (fast heartbeat) and couldn't
listen anymore for a long time. 'hell of crazy music!' I said. Alpha
Centauri is my favourite pink years album.
Some other music that makes me jump:
Ravi Shankar/Philip Glass - Passages
specially the amazing Meetings Along the Edge.
Philip Glass - Music in 12 parts, part 2
If I could jump during its 19 minutes I would.
Jarre - Magnetic Fields part 2 live in China
my number 1 Jarre track.
Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3
Top of the Morning, and the very excellent ending Far Above the Clouds.
TD - Cloudburst Flight
Do I need to say Majeure is my favourite TD album?
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
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Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:43
pm
Subject: shivers
I can't say that there is any piece of music that really gives me shivers (in
any way one can understand it) but some tracks do have a special effect on me :
Alban Berg - Concerto to the memory of an angel
The smashing pumpkins - Disarm
The beatles - Let it be
Vangelis - Closing titles from mutiny on the bounty
Vangelis - Bladerunner blues (and well, the whole soundtrack is pure magic)
Jimi Hendrix - Little wing
TD - Cloudburst flight (intro and finale)
TD - Beach theme (original version)
TD - Quichotte piano intro
TD - Horizon (minute 6 to 9)
TD - Song of the whale (parts 1&2)
TD - Alchemy of the heart (third part - minute 6 to end)
among others...
Thomas.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:33
pm
Subject: re shivers
'Down The Road' by Mickey Hart's Mystery Box gives me goosebumps every time
I hear it.
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From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:47
pm
Subject: And then ....
James said:
>Anyway, we started a short hike into the canyon. It wasn't long before I
>started to notice the humidity rising, and the temperature dropping. Well
>into the canyon, I'd say the temperature had dropped to about 80, and
>humidity was pretty high. The scenery had really changed too. If you were
>to look around, you'd think we were in a rain forest on a tropical island
>somewhere. There were all sorts of plants and mosses growing on the canyon
>walls. The ground was almost swamp-like, with frogs and moss and vines all
>around. The creek/river that runs through the canyon is only about waist
>high most of the way. We met some people who were wading down the river
>from the upper end of the canyon (there's no trail on that side IIRC).
And then ... we heard the first ThunderClap and wondered why all the people
started running. The Narrows are cool.
I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of Zion is the
Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can dig your own
jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west desert
vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a special gift,
the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be grueling, its so wonderful
to visit thru the music and DVD.
-Steve
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] And then ....
I guess I have something in common with TD: I too was born in Germany, and I
was also touched by the magnificence of the desert areas of the Southwest
US.
Never made it to Havasu Falls though. I really need to get back out there!
Maybe I'll drag myself out to Mojave for the next Richochet!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Whiteley, Steve [mailto:steve.whiteley@s...]
> I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of
> Zion is the
> Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can
> dig your own
> jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west desert
> vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a
> special gift,
> the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be grueling,
> its so wonderful
> to visit thru the music and DVD.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] And then ....
Steve, you inspired me.
'Whiteley, Steve' wrote:
>
> I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of Zion is
> the Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can dig
> your own jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west
> desert vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a
> special gift, the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be
> grueling, its so wonderful to visit thru the music and DVD.
To all of you who have never been to the Desert Southwest (USA), you
should visit sometime. I live back in Ohio now, but lived in California
for 24 years and visited the deserts in California, Arizona, Nevada, and
Utah many times. I imagine like most people 'back east', I thought of
deserts as just desolate places -- nature's failures or 'ecological
ruins' or something like that. When I actually experienced the desert it
came as a total revelation.
Perhaps that's what Edgar meant by 'Sudden Revelation'.
Just my 2 cents (but don't ask for my opinion of the Texas panhandle).
Ciao -- Mark
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Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] And then ....
'To all of you who have never been to the Desert Southwest (USA), you
> should visit sometime.'
Perhaps to one who lives in the Desert, it isn't all that great after a
while.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] And then ....
> Steve, you inspired me.
>
> 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote:
> >
> > I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of Zion is
> > the Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can dig
> > your own jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west
> > desert vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a
> > special gift, the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be
> > grueling, its so wonderful to visit thru the music and DVD.
>
> To all of you who have never been to the Desert Southwest (USA), you
> should visit sometime. I live back in Ohio now, but lived in California
> for 24 years and visited the deserts in California, Arizona, Nevada, and
> Utah many times. I imagine like most people 'back east', I thought of
> deserts as just desolate places -- nature's failures or 'ecological
> ruins' or something like that. When I actually experienced the desert it
> came as a total revelation.
>
> Perhaps that's what Edgar meant by 'Sudden Revelation'.
>
> Just my 2 cents (but don't ask for my opinion of the Texas panhandle).
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
I've got about 70 zappa albums and, yes, Black Napkins
in any version is amazing. Also Watermelon In Easter
Hay. My favourite is RDNZL on Lather (and elsewhere,
but I listen to Lather a lot).
Other bits n pieces:
Bernard Butler 'Stay' (acoustic live)
Neil Young 'Like a Hurricane' (from Unplugged) & Sugar
Mountain (live on Rust Never Sleeps)
*my wife would like to add 'Blurry' by Puddle Of Mudd*
Blur 'This Is A Low'
Kate Bush 'Hounds of Love' (entire cd)
Feeder 'Shade'
Tangerine Dream 'Phaedra' (everything)
TD 'Cool At Heart'
Edgar Froese 'Drunken Mozart'
Wildhearts 'Suckerpunch'
Nick Cave 'Into My Arms'
This Mortal Coil 'Song To The Siren'
The Cure 'Disintegration' (entire cd)
The Stone Roses 'Made Of Stone' and the best song ever
recorded by any band 'I Am The Resurrection'.
I got promoted today too :-)
> Ps Anybody ever listened to the numerous versions of
> Black Napkins by FZ ,
> another melt and shiver.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
>
>
> Shivers? hah!, these can make me cry sometimes (a
> few of them, always):
>
> TD - Poland
> Poland Extracts and White Eagle were the first TD
> albums I bought, so
> they're very special for me.
>
> TD - Invisible Limits, Force Majeure third section
> (beginning at 6:48),
> Pergamon piano intro, Thru Metamorphic Rocks
> Invisible Limits is just a perfect track; that
> sequence in Majeure and the
> melody just make me jump around when listening to
> them. And Pergamon was the
> first TD music I actually heard, 2-3 weeks before
> Poland. Oh, that Tangram
> theme... and TMR with its malfunctioning equipment
> was what made me curious
> tu buy Majeure. Its intro is classic shiver. 'what
> the hell is that', I said
> to myself when listening the 1st time.
>
> Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
> All of part 1, and the final song. I rarely don't
> cry with those. Absoulte
> heaven.
>
> Oldfield - Amarok, Hergest Ridge
> several times throughout Amarok, and specially the
> end of HR part 1. the
> same happens.
>
> Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal
> I believe some of you here have heard of that other
> Eddie... he was one of
> those electronic pioneers; some really interesting
> stories about him. I
> bought recently a double CD with all his complete
> works, and a nice, thick
> booklet. This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this
> is a case of serious
> shiver. It's amazing how he managed in a quite
> simple way to create some
> REALLY dark vocal passages here. I couldn't stand
> listening to this the
> other day, late at night, dark bedroom. You should
> try to find this one.
>
> TD - Alpha Centauri
> The closing vocal passage scared the hell out of me
> the first time I heard
> it. It was like 3am, and I was playing it for the
> first time, all dark, and
> after some 18 minutes of oooohs,aaaaaahs, and
> sinister sounds, everything
> gets suddenly lower and this ghostly voice begins
> saying 'der geist...'. I
> instantaneously threw the earphones away (fast
> heartbeat) and couldn't
> listen anymore for a long time. 'hell of crazy
> music!' I said. Alpha
> Centauri is my favourite pink years album.
>
> Some other music that makes me jump:
> Ravi Shankar/Philip Glass - Passages
> specially the amazing Meetings Along the Edge.
>
> Philip Glass - Music in 12 parts, part 2
> If I could jump during its 19 minutes I would.
>
> Jarre - Magnetic Fields part 2 live in China
> my number 1 Jarre track.
>
> Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3
> Top of the Morning, and the very excellent ending
> Far Above the Clouds.
>
> TD - Cloudburst Flight
> Do I need to say Majeure is my favourite TD album?
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
In a message dated 7/9/2002 7:06:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
plantpot_73@y... writes:
> The Stone Roses 'Made Of Stone' and the best song ever
> recorded by any band 'I Am The Resurrection'.
>
> I got promoted today too :-)
>
*I love these guys... Fools gold and the second album just rock!!!
Poly
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:42
am
Subject: Info and Cover Art
I know that I am usually a Day Late and Dollar Short in most things in life.
When the Klaus Schulze Concert was being discussed, I really didn't think I
would be getting a copy, so I did not pay attention to the discussion. Is
the information I have listed for these two concerts correct? And is there
artwork available for these?
Klaus Schulze/Manuel Gottsching - Live from the Fritz, Berlin - 19 May 2001
Rick Wakeman - 8th Annual Alpha Centauri Electronic Music Festival, The
Netherlands - 28 April 2001
Thanks All
Neal
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 11:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
>I just stop when I hear:
>TD - Silver Scale
>Klaus - Ludwig 2 von Bayern
How could I forget those! They're absolutely amazing. I even like the middle
section of Ludwig 2 now! :) And Lodz, the live version of it from the Poland
live album is also excellent.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:21
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off topic - Richard Vimal
I remember hearing something on the radio many years ago called
Aquarythmies... I can't recall what it sounds like, but it made enough of an
impressions for me to remember the title after all these years....
MJ
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>
> Sorry for the off topic question, but has anyone ever heard any
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:41
am
Subject: Shivers
Interesting question, Marko. Here's a few thoughts from me...
Ralph Vaughan Williams - Antartic Symphony
Never fails to make me shiver. For a start, it can literally make me feel
cold: it was developed from the soundtrack for a documentary about Scott's
journey to the South Pole, and is very atmospheric. But also, it is a very
powerful piece of music, imho.
Much of Ry Cooder's solo guitar soundtrack work - Paris, Texas being a
particularly strong contender.
The Battle, from the Gladiator soundtrack. Although for some reason this
has lost some of its power since I realised it's in strict tempo 3/4 time.
Maybe it's because I can't resist a bit of a giggle at the thought of all
these hunky warriors in leather skirts waltzing around the woods?
Seven Golden Daffodils, by Lonnie Donegan.
Many of you have probably never heard of this guy. He's a skiffle artist
from the 60's (although he released a joint live album with Van Morrison
and Chris Barber a few years ago which is great fun). But 'Daffodils' is a
wonderful slow tempo love song that I have adored since I was a child. LD
has an extraordinary voice, although this is probably not the best example
of his range.
os452 from Macula Transfer (by a certain Mr E Froese)
Those opening notes! 'nuff said.
Code Indigo Live at Duisberg, Track 8
Actually, this one usually makes me want to cry. Well, to be honest, it
usually makes me cry whether I want to or not. I think it has to do with
the 'heartbeat' that underlies it.
A night at the museum - FSP and Dave Brewer, from the original Okefenokee
Dreams album
Scary or what?
Future Wreck from Arcane's Future Wreck
Something very chilling about the sequence on this one, and the underlying
continuous note makes me think of the space between the stars.
Analogy - FSP from Live at E-Live 2000
Another chiller.
Taking Central Park from TD's Dream Music album (soundtrack of 'The Park is
Mine')
I'm not sure why this one works this way, but the first part in particular
does it every time.
Allelulia from Geoff Buckley's 'Grace'
It's that voice.
The Man's Too Strong from Dire Straits 'Brothers in Arms'
When the crashing chords kick in.
I could go on - I have a whole playlist (around 70 tracks) set up on my DAP
of this sort of thing. I've just sort of picked out a representative sample
that suits my mood today. Yesterday I might have picked different ones. But
I think the Vaughan Williams and the Lonnie Donnegan would always be there.
LnH
Marion
p.s. I just had a look at what other people have said. I have to agree
strongly with Heiko's pick of 'Electricity' - it's that Ry Cooder guitar
that does it again for me. And if I had to pick a single Floyd track, I
think it would be 'Echoes', although 'Careful with the Axe Eugene' is an
obvious contender!
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
I get the shivers easily. The following is an
incomplete list of CDs I can actually use to effect my
feelings or mood. There are pleny more.
DanD
Michael Brook - Cobalt Blue
Cluster - Grosses Wasser
Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting
Brian Eno - On Land
Philip Glass - Mishima soundtrack
Michael Nyman - Gattaca soundtrack
TD - Zeit, Sorcerer & Thief soundtracks
Klaus Schultz - X
In The Nursery - An Ambush of Ghosts
JM Jarre - Zoolook
The KLF - Chill Out
Labradford - Mi Media Naranja & E Luxo So
Bill Nelson - Chamber of Dreams
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn plus many others
Penguin Cafe Orchestra - most
Eddie Jobson - Theme of Secrets
Popul Vuh - In the Garden of the Pharao / Aguirre
Hans Joachim Roedelius - Jardin au Fou &
Selbstportrait 1 & 2
Western Spaces - Roach/Braheny/Burmer
Gavin Bryars - Sinking of the Titanic and Jesus Blood
Steve Tibbetts - self titled (1977)
Vangelis - Ignacio & China
Vladimir Cosma - Diva soundtrack
Eric Satie
Pieter Nooten - Sleeps with Fishes
Bel Canto - Shimmering, Warm & Bright
Kate Bush - almost anything
Nick Cave - Murder Ballads & The Good Son
Cocteau Twins - Garlands
Tanya Donelly - Lovesongs for Underdogs
Robert Fripp - Exposure
Pixies - Surfer Rosa & Come on Pilgrim
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Sinead O'Conner - Lion and the Cobra
Midnight Oil - Blue Sky Mining
David Sylvian - lots
Janes Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
Durutti Column - Domo Arigato
Television - Marquee Moon
This Mortal Coil - Filigree & Shadow
The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Part II readily available!
Most recent discovery/favorite - Gnac
--- Marko Marin wrote:
> Out of curiosity... What albums from any
> composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
> your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
> like that... ;-)
>
> (Not in any particular order...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass
> sequence starts...)
>
> Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst
> Flight...)
>
> Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in
> Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices
> of Authority...)
>
> John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in
> Journey To The Island...)
>
> John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of
> short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in
> Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very
> thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The
> Chase
> Through Coruscant...)
>
> Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If
> you've
> heard it, you know what I'm talking about...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic
> start in The Source of Secrets and the even more
> energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The
> Clouds...)
>
> Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part.
> Especially the finale where the African Drums are!
> Simply amazing...)
>
> Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire
> among
> other songs in this album...)
>
> Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
> (The
> main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many
> other ALBUMS from the dude...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning
> of
> the track Hummel Gets The Rockets)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and
> the
> marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...)
>
> Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The
> Line.
> It just rises and rises...)
>
> Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha.
> Great stuff...)
>
> Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them
> here!
> The start of the Movement 4 for instance...)
>
> Now it's your turn!
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
> aka TheInfection
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Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:09
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Subject: steve feldman
steve if you get this message please email me as i need to ask you a favour
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From:
'sean_w_montgomery'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:41
pm
Subject: (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes me) Shiver
I don't think there's a piece of music that makes me quake every
single time I hear it...that kind of reaction is very contextural,
dependant on my mood that day, or if I'm hearing it in a way or in a
place that reminds me of something from earlier in my life. The most
banal pop song can make me shiver if I hear it at the right time. But
I'll take a crack at this anyway. I'm sure I'll think of others later on.
Vangelis - Theme from Cosmos (an excerpt from the album Heaven and Hell)
Dead Can Dance - The Host of Seraphim (as heard in the film
Baraka...that segment of the film always slays me)...Anywhere out of
the World
Lisa Gerrard - Elysium
Cocteau Twins - Evangeline, Crushed, Hitherto
Slowdive - Alison
This Mortal Coil - Song to the Siren
Transglobal Underground - Sky Giant
Kate Bush - Running up that Hill
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls (it just reminds me of a certain time
of my youth)
Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent)
Tangerine Dream - Kiew Mission, Hyperborea, Charly the Kid, Logos Blue
Part
Peter Gabriel - The Feeling Begins
The Beatles - Something
Simon and Garfunkel - The Only Living Boy in New York
I'm sure that there are a dozen pieces of classical music that I could
name...but they're kind of beyond the scope of this list, and I'm not
very good with remembering the names!
-Sean Montgomery
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Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: Shivers
Rubycon (part 1), 8-13
Stratosfear
Grind, Impressions of the Sorcerer & Betrayal
Cherokee Lane
Pergamon part 1 - the beginning
Tangram set 1 - the ending part
Mojave Plan (after the whispering voices)
Heritage Survival (The Keep)
Logos (Part 1), 7-25
First half of Poland & end of Horizon
The West Berlin Concert - Dolphin Dance section
Instrumental part of London, Alchemy of the Heart &
both 21st century
Long Island Sunset
Electric Lion and Art Of Vision
Qinoa - middle part (~9-20)
220 Volts
Galley Slave's Horizon and Twilight Brigade
Lamb with radar Eyes & Sad Merlin's Sunday
Waterborne (Tournado)
Astrophobia
+ AirSculpture's Moments In Lowell (3rd Quarter),
Thunderhead(Second Half) and Pogofish.
Effect of the music, BTW, depends much on the
surrounding
conditions: I myself enjoy listening in the darkness,
and rain
also is very suitable with TD. When it's hot or
someone disturbs
you, it's really hard to feel music in full
strength...
Now, for instance, it's a heavy rain and a strong wind
here, and I'm
playing Turn Of The Tides extremely LOUD! =:-)
ArtOfVision
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes me) Shiver
I have noticed that some people have never experienced 'The Shiver' and do
not know what one is in respect to music.
I really pity them.
A brief list of definite musical orgasms:
Vangelis Albedo 0.39
Jean-Michel Jarre Oxygene Part 2
Tangerine Dream Monolight
Marillion Incubus
Art Of Noise The Holy Egoism of Genius
Pink Floyd Dogs
Mike Oldfield Ommadawn Part 2
Tori Amos China
Marillion Grendel
Chris Franke Black Garden View
Matt
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 5:51
pm
Subject: test
test only please ignore
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:02
pm
Subject: re.Shivers
Hi apart from this British summer here a few TD/EM related only.
TD Tracks
White Eagle
Hyperborea
Force Majeure middle PT
Toward's the Evening Star
Comet's Figure Head
Horizon 1st pt
most of Logos
Monolight
Drunken Mozart/Stuntman - EF
Most tracks from Zoo of Tran and White Out-J.Schmoelling
Future Wreck-Arcane
Floating Music- Robert Schroeder
Cheers Gary
From:
tom george
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: tennis anyone?
Tennis boring? Maybe you haven't watched a match
involving Anna K.
:)
Tom
Sorry for the late post but I am behind on my digest
reading by a month.
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Request
Rene,
I will see what I can do to help you.
Wade
--- René Brenner wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been looking for a while now for the Castle
> Communication Remasters
> (1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and
> Zeit.
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 8:39
pm
Subject: OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver)
I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just the track?
To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening
to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of
Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then
suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius!
Bravo Vangelis!
James
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Vangelis Albedo 0.39
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 10:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver)
Nope just the title track, the key change just before the Albedo
Zero-3-9 bit has the right shiver effects!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
Sent: 10 July 2002 21:40
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver)
I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just the track?
To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ
opening
to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of
Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then
suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius!
Bravo Vangelis!
James
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Vangelis Albedo 0.39
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Request
I have 'Electronic Meditation' on Jive Electro and
also 'Green Desert.'
--- Wade Gordon wrote:
> Rene,
>
> I will see what I can do to help you.
>
> Wade
> --- René Brenner wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been looking for a while now for the Castle
> > Communication Remasters
> > (1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri
> and
> > Zeit.
> >
> > If you have any of those listed above for sale
> > (new/sealed if possible) or
> > know where they are still available please let me
> > know.
> >
> > Thank you
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> >
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver)
Get the 24 bit processed version on 'The Music of
Cosmos' and it will knock your sox off.
Wade
--- 'Owens, James' wrote:
> I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just
> the track?
>
> To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the
> impressive Pipe Organ opening
> to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most
> especially the end of
> Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up
> to the end, then
> suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of
> creative genius!
>
> Bravo Vangelis!
>
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
>
> Vangelis Albedo 0.39
>
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From:
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 12:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
In a message dated 7/9/02 3:23:39 AM, rubyconist@y... writes:
>Out of curiosity... What albums from any
>composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
>your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
>like that... ;-)
>
>(Not in any particular order...)
>
>Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass
>sequence starts...)
That's definitely my number one 'shiver' moment too. I suppose I might as
well add some other entries. Because I have no self-restraint, a ridiculously
long list follows.
As far as TD:
Atem (the intro)
Bent Cold Sidewalk
Craving for Cardomon
Every track on Exit, especially Remote Viewing
Force Majeure (the cello in the beginning)
Jungle Jacula (when the bassline first enters and things start to build...)
Logos (countless times)
Mojave Plan (especially the transition between the first two movements)
Mothers of Rain
Phaedra (the ending--gets me every time)
Rising Haul in Silence
Shivers from other artists:
Anubian Lights - Grid Coordinate: Vorp One (Doran Shelley's mind-bending
guitar solo)
Blind Guardian - Wait for an Answer (the ending), Blood Tears
Covenant - Flux
Dead Can Dance - Enigma of the Absolute, American Dreaming, Severance,
Ulysses, just about everything else they've ever recorded
Delerium - Flowers Become Screens (the chorus)
Depeche Mode - I Am You (chorus)
Dilate - Oblivium, Ice Curtain, Coral
Dubok - It's Both Now
Dubstar - Redirected Mail
Brian Eno - Dune Prophecy Theme
Enya - Deireadh an Tuath
Forma Tadre - Gates (especially the beginning), Lo Rez Skyline (which quotes
the bassline from the following...)
Edgar Froese - Maroubra Bay
Front Line Assembly - Synthetic Forms (the part with the sampled Led Zeppelin
beat)
Genesis - In the Glow of the Night
Hawkwind - We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago
Heaven 17 - An Electronic Prayer
Information Society - Ozar Midrashim
The Jelly Jam - Under the Tree (the vocal harmonies)
Saori Kobayashi, Mariko Nanba - Ecce Valde Generous Ale, a Premonition of
War, Path to the Being, countless others (from Panzer Dragoon Saga game
soundtrack)
Leftfield - Swords
Mannheim Steamroller - Interlude II
Massive Attack - Teardrop
Loreena McKennitt - Courtyard Lullaby
Moby - Rushing (the piano part)
Gary Numan - The Hauntings (last minute or so)
Ochre - Reverse Engineering (when the bass drone enters)
The Orb - Passing of Time
Orbital - Nothing Left
Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond
Pressurehed - Bluff Creek and Beyond
Project Pitchfork - Eon, Jupiter
Steve Roach - Altus (and others)
Saint Etienne - Former Lover
Joe Satriani - Into the Light
Spiral Realms - 1000 Years Under Solar Sails, Solar Flares, others... too
many to list
Symphony X - Rediscovery
Synaesthesia - Mosaic, Lifeless
Tears for Fears - Listen, Swords and Knives, Los Reyes Catolicos
Terranova - Sugarhill
Nik Turner - God Rock
U2 - October
VNV Nation - Arclight, Left Behind
Xylon - Raumklang (Stufe 1)
Zero Gravity - We're Tumbling, End Over End
Is that enough? ;)
Maybe I shiver too easily.
--Daniel
NP: Joe Satriani - Strange Beautiful Music
From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
Marko Marin [09/07/2002 03:36] dijo/said:
>Out of curiosity... What albums from any
>composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down
>your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences
>like that... ;-)
>[....]
>Now it's your turn!
King Crimson - Starless
Steve Hackett - Hammer In The Sand
Tangerine Dream - Poland (the piano section)
Genesis - Firth of Fifth (intro)
You might find this odd, as I *don't* like piano a lot, yet three of the
four pieces I mentioned are piano themes...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:56
am
Subject: shivers
I alawys remember some more every time I read those lists.
But let me add an [important] last one: Wuivend Riet Part 2 by master
Schmoelling. just wow. that ending is fascinating!!!
GJ np. John Adams - Hoodoo Zephyr. my 1st Adams album. found it for an
unbelievable low price even for Brazil-made cds. very cool so far!
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 4:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver)
>To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening
>to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of
>Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then
>suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius!
Actually I've heard there exists an Alpha part 2, which seems appropriate,
because as you said, it locks up. But I haven't heard this second part.
anyway Albedo is a VERY special album for me too. up there in electronic heaven
with, just to name a few: Floating Music by R.Schroeder (well reminded!);
Equinoxe by JMJ; Wuivend Riet by Schmoelling; Tangram; Force Majeure;
Phaedra..... ... ... ... ...
don't we just love these lists? and it's amazing how someone always come up
with a new point of view to make a list!
>Bravo Vangelis!
>James
Indeed!
-GJ (who happens to be founder/moderator of the Brazilian Vangelis yahoogroup)
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
> - King Crimson - Epitaph
Yes, I agree - this made me depressed when I was a teenager.... :-) But I
listened to it a lot.
> - Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine
Excellent choice - but I hope you mean the one off the Ummagumma album.
Some other bands to consider:
Manikin Records - all artists!
Star Sounds Orchestra
Free System Projekt
Kasia Stankiewicz
AirSculpture
Der SPYRA
Le Orme
Arcane
Toto
Uno
Vic
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers
Sorry, guys.
When I listen to 'The Planets', I want to hear it the way Gustav Holst wrote
it. I would imagine he spent a considerable amount of time orchestrating
it -- and it is brilliant. I particularly like 'Uranus, the Magician' and
'Neptune, the Mystic' -- the latter is really ethereal, with the wordless
female chorus near the end. The entire work is excellent.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'mars103nl'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:18 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Shivers
> --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote:
> >
> > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter,
> > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of
> > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the
> > string melody sets in, and the break with
> > mellotron (I guess) choir...
>
> Ah yes thats a great part.
> In fact I like the whole CD.
> He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody
> notice it but the choir goes from male to female in
> the same set.
> How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be re-released
> as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player for it).
> I believe the recordings are surround already.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
>
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From:
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:25
am
Subject: Debut of Website Today!
In Celebration of the opening of my official business website...
Please visit www.ricochetdream.com
This website is not yet complete, but I won't change much in the next few
weeks anyway...
The first 11 persons that write to the e-mail at the website will be
considered for a rare TD item.
The e-mail subject must be 'Jelenia Gora'.
You need to mention which visitor number you are (as posted on the webpage)
and what would you ask Edgar if you just happened to meet him at the
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The winner will get something very unique and collectible!!!
I will post the top 11 results once it's all over.
Let's have some fun!
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver)
Spiral (especially the 2nd half of the track) is a real shiver!
On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 15:39:36 -0500, Owens, James wrote:
> I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just the track?
>
> To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening
> to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of
> Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then
> suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius!
>
> Bravo Vangelis!
>
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
>
> Vangelis Albedo 0.39
>
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:45
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Subject: Jelenia Gora
Visitor 882!
I'm not sure where the entrance to the U-bahn is, but I'd ask him if he still
had Linda Spa's phone number...
- jim
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:25:00 -0400 vic rek wrote:
In Celebration of the opening of my official business website...
Please visit www.ricochetdream.com
This website is not yet complete, but I won't change much in the next few
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The first 11 persons that write to the e-mail at the website will be
considered for a rare TD item.
The e-mail subject must be 'Jelenia Gora'.
You need to mention which visitor number you are (as posted on the webpage)
and what would you ask Edgar if you just happened to meet him at the
entrance of the U-Bahn. This answer is key to winning and at my
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:46
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Jelenia Gora
oops! That went to the wrong place -- sorry!
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:45:10 -0400 moxica@m... wrote:
Visitor 882!
I'm not sure where the entrance to the U-bahn is, but I'd ask him if he still
had Linda Spa's phone number...
- jim
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:25:00 -0400 vic rek wrote:
In Celebration of the opening of my official business website...
Please visit www.ricochetdream.com
This website is not yet complete, but I won't change much in the next few
weeks anyway...
The first 11 persons that write to the e-mail at the website will be
considered for a rare TD item.
The e-mail subject must be 'Jelenia Gora'.
You need to mention which visitor number you are (as posted on the webpage)
and what would you ask Edgar if you just happened to meet him at the
entrance of the U-Bahn. This answer is key to winning and at my
discretion... Note: Do not ask about the 1982 tour.
The winner will get something very unique and collectible!!!
I will post the top 11 results once it's all over.
Let's have some fun!
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers
Why so Puritanical? So much of classical music if
effected by the individual performers and conductors
interpretation of the score that many recording
probably don't sound the way the composer origianlly
intended.
If you don't allow the musicians to interpret the
music, to some extent, then why are there multiple
recordings, in fact hundreds, of well known pieces?
Who is the arbitrator for which recording is what the
now-dead composer intended?
Where do you draw the line? Would it be OK to sub in
high quality synth samples as long as the arrangements
and orchestration were true?
--- John Marchington wrote:
> Sorry, guys.
>
> When I listen to 'The Planets', I want to hear it
> the way Gustav Holst wrote
> it. I would imagine he spent a considerable amount
> of time orchestrating
> it -- and it is brilliant. I particularly like
> 'Uranus, the Magician' and
> 'Neptune, the Mystic' -- the latter is really
> ethereal, with the wordless
> female chorus near the end. The entire work is
> excellent.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'mars103nl'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:18 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Shivers
>
>
> > --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in
> 'Jupiter,
> > > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of
> > > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the
> > > string melody sets in, and the break with
> > > mellotron (I guess) choir...
> >
> > Ah yes thats a great part.
> > In fact I like the whole CD.
> > He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe
> nobody
> > notice it but the choir goes from male to female
> in
> > the same set.
> > How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be
> re-released
> > as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a
> player for it).
> > I believe the recordings are surround already.
> >
> > Marcel
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> > mengels@w...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
>Tangerine Dream - Poland (the piano section)
Did I miss something? I don't remember a piano section anywhere on the
album, let alone the title track. Is this possibly a reference to the
keyboard intro? Doesn't sound like piano to me.
While I'm at it: What is the cause of all these shivers? I wonder whether
it's a case of complex emotion systems or simply an aestetical
stimulus-response?
Ie: could it be possible to intendly (spelling?) compose / create something
which would shiver any given human being? I'm not referring to a
seriously-out-of-tune violin, something more structural instead.
What do you think?
John Vertical
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:36
pm
Subject: Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers)
John Vertical wrote:[mailto:johnvertical@h...]
While I'm at it: What is the cause of all these shivers? I wonder whether
it's a case of complex emotion systems or simply an aestetical
stimulus-response?
Ie: could it be possible to intentionally compose / create something
which would shiver any given human being? I'm not referring to a
seriously-out-of-tune violin, something more structural instead.
What do you think?
_________________________________________________________________
Certainly there are specific pitches, volume levels, etc. that have definite
physiological effects. It is possible, for instance, to find the resonant
frequency of a particular bone. I posted a while back about a musical
instrument created by Craig Huxley called the 'Blaster Beam' (this
instrument is responsible for the trademark 'Cloud Theme' from Star Trek The
Motion Picture). As a reminder, the Blaster Beam is a rather long aluminum
beam strung with piano wires and electric guitar pick-ups. It makes a
phenomenal sound when struck.
Anyway, there have been many reports of direct physiological effects from
people listening to the Beam played live. Supposedly some women were even
reporting having orgasms from the sound!
I definitely think it's possible to compose music/sounds that have marked
physiological effects. However, you would need to be listening under the
right circumstances. For instance, one of the key changes in the 'jubilant'
section of 'Valley of the Sun' hits a particular chord that sends the
shivers down my spine. However, if I'm listening in a noisy car/house,
using sub-standard equiment, or just have the stereo volume too low, I won't
get that sensation.
Another definite shiver that I would consider physiological is Toccata from
Organ Symphony No. 5 by Widor. If I listen to this at home on my stereo it
sounds good and I really enjoy it (I have a fairly nice system with rich and
deep bass - 15' Cerwin Vega speakers). HOWEVER, I had the opportunity to
hear it performed live. And this was not just sitting in the audience, I
was actually up in the choir loft right in front of the pipes! When the
organist got to the last section, he pulled out the 32-foot stop (the BIG
bass pipe!). The feeling is almost indescribable. Until then, I was just
listening to the music, but suddenly I was IN the music - like floating in a
jacuzzi of music. That feeling was definitely physiological.
I rather think that Widor had just that feeling in mind when he created it.
James
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From:
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:51
pm
Subject: Shiver Me Timbers
This is a great thread everyone!!!
My TD shiver moments off the top of my head...
White Eagle (the song)
Unicorn Theme (which I suspect may have been the intent!)
Beginning of Tangram
The part on the second half of Stratosfear (the album) when we build up into
the cool/fast sequence... the part with the cool mixing where the sound comes
out of the speakers first on one channel then on the next and swirls around
behind you.
The bit on Poland (Tangents?) where it's just a basic repeating sequence that
gets built up with more sequences until the (pro one? prophet?) lead kicks in
and then it breaks down again.
Prime Time the moment when we go into the low sequence interlude about 60% of
the way through.
Sorry for the vagueness here... I'm at work and can't reference specific
titles/times right now, and I've been listening to just about 99% TD over the
past couple months so it's all just a swirl of bubbles inside my head. I can
provide specifics later if anybody really cares to know. :-)
I think it would be most interesting to hear a parallel 'what makes you cringe'
thread at some point.
From:
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:38
pm
Subject: Official Contest Results for My Website Debut
A big thanks to all for visiting my website at www.ricochetdream.com
I had some nice comments along with some constructive ones for improving the
web site.
I really appreciate your responses. Now to the contest...
Here are the responses that I received (ordered by time received):
1: (HH) 'If I'd meet Edgar I would ask him if he has ever considered
releasing a large unreleased live & studio box like Klaus Schulze's manager
did a couple of years ago :-)'
2: (FY) 'What I would ask Edgar if I could meet him is what is his
metaphorical view of the (or his) world whilst composing music in TaDream.'
3: (RF) 'What would I ask Edgar: How do you compose?, is it Rhythm first or
melody/chord sequence?
4: (RB) 'and i would ask edgar why he never toured in switzerland. lol ;)'
5: (JS) 'Edgar, when a fan comes up to you and asks you a question, whats
the one question you wish he would ask?'
6: (UE) '...I would ask him, if I could keep from blithering on about how
much his music means to me, if he would clarify the origin of the name
'Tangerine Dream'.
7: (AT) 'I'd ask Edgar how he keeps his thin long hair in shape. ;-)'
8: (MH) 'If I met Edgar by chance, I think I'd ask him 'Do you want to come
back to my place for a cup of tea?' That way, if he said 'yes', I could ask
him all the other things!'
9: (RG) 'I would ask Edgar when coud we expect to see hima dn the rest of
the gang in the USA for the second part of Inferno.'
10: (AM) ''You once said that travelling inspired a lot of TD music - is
there any one place or country that you consider was (or is) the most
inspirational ?'
11: (JM) '...but I'd ask him if he still had Linda Spa's phone number...
Seriously, I'd ask Edgar where the nearest pub would be and offer to buy him
a pint of his favorite beer!'
OK - this makes up the official entry list of 11, but here are a few more:
12: (PF) 'I'd ask Edgar what the first thing he would release would be if
Virgin gave him back the rights to release what he wanted...'
13: (JO) 'I'd ask Edgar if he (and Jerome?) would be willing to jam with the
other musicians at a future Ricochet Gathering!'
14: (JW) 'Wiem - kiedy przygotuje odswietny koncert w jednym ze starych
skladów... mogli by sie panowie dogadac i przygotowac super widowisko w
starym dobrym stylu...' (Polish translation says: 'It would be nice if the
old line-up would speak with each other and put on a historic retro
concert'.)
And the WINNER IS: (drum roll please...)
#8 - Marion Horrod - She will receive the rare Ukrainian Bootleg CD titled
'Golden Collection'.
And I've decided to chose a RUNNER UP, and he is:
#7 - Armin Theissen - He will receive the 'Okefenokee Dreams 2001' CD.
Thanks to all that participated.
VicRek
www.ricochetdream.com
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse
The winning question of my contest is:
> 8: (MH) 'If I met Edgar by chance, I think I'd ask him 'Do you want to
come
> back to my place for a cup of tea?' That way, if he said 'yes', I could
ask
> him all the other things!'
Now, please don't stop sending me questions you'd ask Edgar at the U-Bahn
station.
I'm still receiving some and compiling them.
I guess I should be a team player too and put up my question, but I would
only ask this at the 'Eisenacher Strasse' Station in Berlin.
'Sir, do you know where the TDI Headquarters is located?'
Vic
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse
I would have asked him were the rest of the Village people were :)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To: 'TD List'
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: [tadream] U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse
> The winning question of my contest is:
>
> > 8: (MH) 'If I met Edgar by chance, I think I'd ask him 'Do you want to
> come
> > back to my place for a cup of tea?' That way, if he said 'yes', I could
> ask
> > him all the other things!'
>
> Now, please don't stop sending me questions you'd ask Edgar at the U-Bahn
> station.
> I'm still receiving some and compiling them.
>
> I guess I should be a team player too and put up my question, but I would
> only ask this at the 'Eisenacher Strasse' Station in Berlin.
>
> 'Sir, do you know where the TDI Headquarters is located?'
>
> Vic
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers
Dan said:
>Why so Puritanical? So much of classical music if
>effected by the individual performers and conductors
>interpretation of the score that many recording
>probably don't sound the way the composer origianlly
>intended.
There is a Netherlands-based orchestra which plays baroque music with the
instruments of the time, and the way it was originally intended. They study the
books the composers wrote about how you should play the violin, for example;
they study the book Mozart's father used (wrote?) to teach him, etc. It's an
interesting approach, I think, and they try to bring to the people today the
music as it was played and heard centuries ago. The orchestra is now some 20
years old, always with the same musicians from many different countries,
including a Brazilian flutist. Now I don't know the name of the orchestra.
(duh!!)
GJ np. ...Bedzie Tajemnica, Ankh's 3rd album. Fantastic Polish band. just
discovered them.
Gustavo Jobim
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Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:46
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
The passage in Comet's Figure Head between 3'05' and 3'53' turns me into a
quivering mess. Thank God for the power of even the simplest of melodies.
Just sublime.
- Chris
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers)
From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
>I posted a while back about a musical instrument created by Craig
Huxley called the 'Blaster Beam' (this instrument is responsible for the
trademark 'Cloud Theme' from Star Trek The Motion Picture).
A bit of Geek Trivia: Craig Huxley played Kirk's nephew in one of the
episode of the original series...
Back to the Dream!
- jim
From:
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Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:28
am
Subject: Off-topic: Laserjet / Inkjet Labels
Hello everyone
Sorry for this completely off-topic, I need some
information and see if you can provide. I need to know
popular brands and retail prices of laserjet/inkjet
labels being used in different countries. They are
usually packaged in 1 box of 100 sheets. If your
company or yourself use any such things, please
contact me off-list. I need the info only.
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Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
--- John Vertical wrote:
> Okayy, here comes a rather long list of TD pieces...
> Plenty of these require
> a specific mood, but all can be re-experienced.
> 1. Alpha Centauri (outro)
> 2. Birth of Liquid Plejades (when the first synth
> lines enter around 4 mins)
> 3. Atem (the last 5 minutes)
> 4. Rubycon Part I (from about 12'00' to 13'30')
> 5. Ricochet Part II (in general)
> 6. Soundmill Navigator / Birth of a Black Hole (the
> sequencers' fadeout)
> 7. Scale Deluxe (in general)
> 8. Indolent Annihilation (outro)
> 9. Cherokee Lane (around 8-9 and 13-14 mins)
> 10. Madrigal Meridian (outro)
> 11. Cloudburst Flight (guitar climax)
> 12. Through Metamorphic Rocks (main sequence
> beginning)
> 13. Quichotte Part 1 (flute section)
> 14. Tangram Set 1 (glitters around 4 mins)
> 15. Kiew Mission (climax)
> 16. Remote Viewing (outro)
> 17. Logos ('blue part' ending)
> 18. Mojave Plan (mid-screech)
> 19. White Eagle (outro)
> 20. Horizon (the section from 6 mins onward & last
> two minutes)
> 21. Valley of the Sun
> 22. Song Of The Whale Part II (guitarsolo)
> 23. Livemiles (Albuquerque Concert) (bridge into
> 'San Buena Ventura')
> 24. Livemiles (West Berlin Concert) (Dolphin Dance
> in general)
>
> John Vertical
You don't listen anything else but TD, right? Perhaps
in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-)
No, really! Try something different sometimes!
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
--- mikael.jussila@p... wrote:
> Yup, it seems like Ol' Unca Bob gives me a lot of
> shivers.
>
> *Fornit Some Fornus*
> MJUSSILA
A little question... What do you mean with that last
sentence exactly? Have you done something we should
know about? ;-)
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >Tangerine Dream - Poland (the piano section)
> Did I miss something? I don't remember a piano
> section anywhere on the
> album, let alone the title track. Is this possibly a
> reference to the
> keyboard intro? Doesn't sound like piano to me.
>
> While I'm at it: What is the cause of all these
> shivers? I wonder whether
> it's a case of complex emotion systems or simply an
> aestetical
> stimulus-response?
> Ie: could it be possible to intendly (spelling?)
> compose / create something
> which would shiver any given human being? I'm not
> referring to a
> seriously-out-of-tune violin, something more
> structural instead.
> What do you think?
>
> John Vertical
> np:Poland 10.50 (Nope, no piano spotted yet)
I quess that it depends what do you like and what you
don't like. For instance the most stuff from Hans
Zimmer (especially the action packed military action
music) is just a lot of noise for my parents and for
me it's entertaining music. So it's about your musical
taste...
I don't remeber any piano part, but I will check it.
Regards,
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From:
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Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Vangelis (was Albedo 0.39)
It seems that his stuff from 70's I either like really
much or I don't like it at all. Spiral leaves me cold.
Heaven And Hell is very good. And so on. The stuff
from 80's and 90's is another matter. I think I like
most of them (Blade Runner, Soil Festivities, Direct,
1492 and Mythodea).
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From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Request
- I have been looking for a while now for the Castle Communication
Remasters (1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit.
-----------
Hi
http://www.101cd.com/ Lists all these titles with Castle numbers. I've
recently replaced my copies of Alpha Centauri, Poland & Ricochet from them
after a drunken passenger mistook my car window for its glove comparment &
lost a folder of CDs. They list some imports & Vinyl too.
Best wishes
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:21
am
Subject: Re: Shivers
I get goosebumps more than shivers, more often than not during live shows and
strangely, during intros, outros and bridge sections e.g:
Shepherds Bush 2001:
Outro of Comets Figure Head thru' to Cool at Heart
First ten seconds of The Midnight Trail
Outro of Primetime
Outro of Outland thru to Timesquare
and then helluva goosebumps all the way from the last half minute of
Astrophobia thru to Beauty of the Blast
Tournado 1997:
Outro of Touchwood thru to Towards the Evening Star
Edinburgh Playhouse 1986:
The outro - especially the 'flutey' sound - at the end of the Statosfear
segment right thru' to, and including, the next slower segment
The slow, dark segment before the piano segment
Otherwise:
Edgar and Paul on guitar on stage at Edinburgh Playhouse 1986
Edgar on guitar on stage at Glasgow Apollo 1981
Cool at Heart, Shepherds Bush Empire 2001
Zen Garden
End of Timesquare
How about toe-curling TD moments for the next discussion?
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:48
am
Subject: TD while pregnant
Hi,
welcome to a new thread ;-)
My soon-to-be wife is pregnant ;-) and we know that in a few
weeks the embryo will already be able to hear. We got a CD which
features some everyday noises and music, and how it is perceived
from inside the womb. Amazing stuff! You've got Beethoven's 5th,
'Oh Fortuna' from the Carmina Burana, 'The Moldau' of Dvorcak
(don't know english spelling), Debussy's 'Prelude... of a Faun',
the Sabre Dance of Kachaturian (again spelling...) and some more.
The inside-womb sound has high frequencies cut off, some flanger-like
modulation, a throbbing heart-beat on top and the noises of flowing
liquid. Amazing. The heart-beat sound resembles very very very much
the throbbing sounds in 'Origin of Supernatural Probabilities'...
What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD music would you
play for an unborn child????
We're going to play a lot of music (not just TD, of course - we
already got into the mood with Schubert Lieder, Aziza Mustafa
Zadeh's piano, and Klaus Schulze's 'Crystal Lake' from 'Mirage'...)
Waiting for your views
cheers
armin
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD while pregnant
>
> >
> What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD music would you
> play for an unborn child????
>
How about 'Embryo' by Mark Shreeve :)
suddenly having broadband and being online all the time has turned me into
this !!!
Paul
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: June 13th
Hi Folks,
just in case anyone´s interested and/or attending:
I´ll be playing the ZILLO-Festival with my band Sepulcrum Mentis at airport
Hahn / Hunsrück (near Frankfurt am Main) tomorrow, July 13th, 2002, at 8:30
p.m. on the newcomer stage.
Also playing at the festival will be acts like The Cure, the Mission,
Madrugada, Subway to Sally, Justin Sullivan, etc.
So, if anyone´s interested or into that type of thing, I hope I´ll see you
there... ;-) Just meet me after the show or at the autograph booth at 3 p.m.
Now back to the on topic... ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: Shivers
> You don't listen anything else but TD, right? Perhaps
> in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-)
> No, really! Try something different sometimes!
No no no. That was just a brief list of TD shiverers. (I could think
of a few dozen minorer ones more, but...)
There're definitely others, too - like Jarre's Oxygene Part 2 and
Michael Hoening's Departure from the Northern Wasteland.
But I do suffer from a sort of monotonesia; I'm rather shy at
finding new artists. My music collection includes, besides TD,
only 10 or so other artists. Music has been a hobby for me only
for about two years, and I'm a bit mean, so collecting TD & co.
has been enough so far. It'll change in the future, I'm sure - my
dad has a gigantic collection of music, mainly prog, but also
other stuff, so I do know where could I check for new artists. :-)
John Vertical
PS: I just noticed that the list's posts appear in my mailbox
several hours late. Darn Yahoo.
From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:03
pm
Subject: Re: TD while pregnant
> > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD music would
you
> > play for an unborn child????
> >
A tough question, I don't remember anymore what my musical
tastes were at that time :-P
But I'd have to suggest Phaedra (suits probably well with the
heartbeat) and Tangram Part 1 (they say that playing classical
music makes your child smart; this is the closest to classical
from TD IMHO)
John Vertical
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:50
pm
Subject: Something other than TD? :)
>Marko said:
>
>You don't listen anything else but TD, right? Perhaps
>in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-)
>No, really! Try something different sometimes!
>
>Regards,
>Marko Marin
For the longest time, I listened to samples of other people's music but
really only found Tangerine Dream compelling. In fact, I'd given up on the
idea that there was other music I'd really get attached to.
Then I heard the Okefenokee 2000 CD.
Now, these artists get heavy play around here:
Free System Project
AirSculpture
Kubusschnitt
Lakveet - Scab
Star Sounds Orchestra
Wavestar
Mark Shreeve
Arcane
I hope Airwave puts out a CD soon. :)
-Morgan
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:13
pm
Subject: Comet's Figure Head (was: Shivers)
I really wish there was a reprise of that section somewhere. It's
absolutely spectacular!
James
-----Original Message-----
The passage in Comet's Figure Head between 3'05' and 3'53' turns me into a
quivering mess. Thank God for the power of even the simplest of melodies.
Just sublime.
- Chris
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant
Armin said
My soon-to-be wife is pregnant, what music would you play for an unborn
child????
Don't play David Bowie
My wife always wanted to see him. Although she was heavily pregnant she
insisted that she come with me to see him on the Glass Spider tour. A few
songs into the show she told me she was going to the bathroom. But she
seemed to be gone a long time. When she got back she told me she had got
lost in the stadium. After the show she told me the truth. She got so
excited that the paramedics thought she had gone into labour. They wanted
to take her to hospital. She told them there was no way she was going to
miss DB do Let's Dance and she watched the rest of the show.
Well that was the first of several false alarms we had including my having
to walk out in the middle of court cases.
My wife has seen TD with me. She likes the music but is not too keen on
the show. Daughter comes with me to see TD and is insistent on seeing
Inferno when the show comes to London.
Both of them read my TD posts so I will have to hit delete quick before I
get killed for this one.
David
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: June 13th
Martin said Hi Folks, just in case anyone´s interested and/or attending:
I´ll be playing the ZILLO-Festival with my band Sepulcrum Mentis at airport
Hahn / Hunsrück (near Frankfurt am Main) tomorrow, July 13th, 2002, at 8:30
p.m. on the newcomer stage.
Martin do you sing or play an instrument?
David
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.'
Has anyone out there heard my new radio program called
'Sound Explorer?'
Right now it is available for free on the web on the
www.lougentile.com website.
I value your opinion.
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:17
pm
Subject: new castle issues
hi
just been looking on amazon and found these
Alpha Centuri - Catalogue Number: CMRCD566 release sept 2002
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9K/qid=1026508187/sr=1-12/ref=s\
r_1_3_12/026-4679810-8289222
Electronic Meditation - Catalogue Number: CMRCD565 release sept 2002
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9J/qid=1026508187/sr=1-13/ref=s\
r_1_3_13/026-4679810-8289222
it looks like they plan to release all the 96 castle issues again
Thank You.
Duncan McKee
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new castle issues
Duncan,
Is the new T.Dream box set out yet in the UK?
Also, have you had a chance to hear my radio program
at the www.lougentile.com site yet?
Wade
--- duncan mckee wrote:
> hi
> just been looking on amazon and found these
> Alpha Centuri - Catalogue Number: CMRCD566 release
> sept 2002
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9K/qid=1026508187/sr=1-12/ref=s\
r_1_3_12/026-4679810-8289222
>
> Electronic Meditation - Catalogue Number: CMRCD565
> release sept 2002
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9J/qid=1026508187/sr=1-13/ref=s\
r_1_3_13/026-4679810-8289222
>
> it looks like they plan to release all the 96 castle
> issues again
>
>
>
> Thank You.
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> tangram@t...
>
> www.tadream.co.uk
> www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:33
pm
Subject: now Craig Huxley was RE: [tadream] Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers)
>A bit of Geek Trivia: Craig Huxley played Kirk's nephew in one of the
>episode of the original series....
furthering the geek trivia--Craig was also in two episodes of
'Bewitched'--in one episode he portrayed 'merle brocken' and his father
'walter brocken' was played by james doohan aka the actor who play 'Scotty'
on the original star trek series....
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From:
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Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:46
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Subject: TD while pregnant
well, thinking ahead, you can always play Mickey Hart's 'Music to Be Born By
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 1:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: June 13th
> Martin do you sing or play an instrument?
Martin is a singer. He sounds a lot like David Bowie to me.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 2:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.'
Hi Wade!
Wade Gordon wrote:
>
> Has anyone out there heard my new radio program called
> 'Sound Explorer?'
>
> Right now it is available for free on the web on the
> www.lougentile.com website.
>
> I value your opinion.
I found your write up.
For the last 18 years Wade Gordon has produced the number one rated
and number two rated radio programs in the Orlando, Melbourne, and
Tampa, Florida markets repectively, and now is introducing a new
radio program entitled 'Sound Explorer.' The radio program will
trace the humble origins of synthesizers to the digital glory of
today. The program will mainly dwell on the analog sound and delve
into the music from televison and motion pictures. He will take you
on a 'Sound Exploration' of the world and the universe which enfolds.
'The Global Village' which was Mr. Gordon's most successful radio
program had its theme song written by 'Peru'.
I couldn't find how to listen to your show.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'Alan Miller'
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: Spare TT 1 Available
If anyone on the Tangerine Tree 1 database is out on a limb (so to speak)
and has not received a set yet or anyone who was not on the list but nows
wants this fantastic piece of TD history - I can help as it seems I now have
a spare set.
Contact me off-list (off course)
Alan
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 12:23
pm
Subject: New Castle issues
Duncan said:
That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... 8-D
Sorry, but I couldn't help myself as usual. 8-\ 8-)
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 1:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Castle issues
Well... what would be the reason? New remastering techniques? Or just
re-release out of print issues.
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 06:23:03 -0600, Frank Arellano wrote:
> Duncan said:
>
>
>
> That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... 8-D
Sorry, but I couldn't help myself as usual. 8-\ 8-)
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From:
'sequentc'
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:49
am
Subject: Castle Communications re-issues
Castle Communications over the last 18-24 months they have been re-leasing
systematically many of their more major releases in the 'miniature LP replicas
on CD - All prefect reproductions of the original vinyl releases'...(which are
very nice!!) possibly they have now reached 'T' ..............I checked
http://www.sanctuarygroup.com but there is no info forthcoming.
Be warned although previous releases have not been limited editions.... these
'replicas' tend to disappear quite quickly and don't always re-surface that
easy.....he...he...he..Not that I am trying to create a stampede here..... but
quite probably expect all the Tangerine Dream releases on Castle communications
to be re-released as Miniature LP replicas complete with cardboard sleeves
artwork ....a 'replica' style CD and lyric sheet if applicable etc etc?!
Previously 'replicas' have not tended to be remastered.... but who know????
Con31
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Frank Arellano' <>To: Duncan said:> > > > That's going to _really_ hurt
some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... 8-D Sorry, but I couldn't help
myself as usual. 8-\ 8-)
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.'
All you have to do is just go to www.lougentile.com
and click on the listen now. Next week archives will
be available and by the way, this is free.
Wade
Next, Monday I will premiere the Vic Rek Tangerine
Dream complilation.
--- Mark Filipak wrote:
> Hi Wade!
>
> Wade Gordon wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program
> called
> > 'Sound Explorer?'
> >
> > Right now it is available for free on the web on
> the
> > www.lougentile.com website.
> >
> > I value your opinion.
>
> I found your write up.
>
> For the last 18 years Wade Gordon has produced
> the number one rated
> and number two rated radio programs in the
> Orlando, Melbourne, and
> Tampa, Florida markets repectively, and now is
> introducing a new
> radio program entitled 'Sound Explorer.' The
> radio program will
> trace the humble origins of synthesizers to the
> digital glory of
> today. The program will mainly dwell on the
> analog sound and delve
> into the music from televison and motion
> pictures. He will take you
> on a 'Sound Exploration' of the world and the
> universe which enfolds.
> 'The Global Village' which was Mr. Gordon's most
> successful radio
> program had its theme song written by 'Peru'.
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues
I had a strange package arrive at my doorstep today.
It is the new 3 CD box set 'Journey Through a Burning Brain (Anthology)'.
The press release said it is not out on the streets until July 15th.
If you want to see what this cover looks lke, go to
http://www.ricochetdream.com/journey.jpg
> Be warned although previous releases have not been limited editions....
these 'replicas' tend to disappear quite quickly and don't always re-surface
that easy.....he...he...he..Not that I am trying to create a stampede
here..... but quite probably expect all the Tangerine Dream releases on
Castle communications to be re-released as Miniature LP replicas complete
with cardboard sleeves artwork ....a 'replica' style CD and lyric sheet if
applicable etc etc?!
> Con31
See, there is always a good reason to look for a re-release :-)
> From: 'Frank Arellano'
> It looks like they plan t release all the 96 castle issues again.
>> > That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic....
Yes, I guess myself and a few others on this list will want to get the next
re-releases even though we probably don't need them - NOT - of course we do!
We are proud Tangerine Dream Collectors!!!
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues
Sorry for the one-liner, but I just had to say this...
how damn ugly!
>I had a strange package arrive at my doorstep today.
>It is the new 3 CD box set 'Journey Through a Burning Brain (Anthology)'.
>If you want to see what this cover looks lke...
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues
From: Gustavo Jobim
> Sorry for the one-liner, but I just had to say this...
>
> how damn ugly!
I have just updated this image showing the box and partial views of all 3
CDs.
Go to the bottom of my page at www.ricochetdream.com/music.html
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 9:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues
on 14/07/02 5:04, vic rek at tangerinedream@a... wrote:
> From: Gustavo Jobim
>
>> Sorry for the one-liner, but I just had to say this...
>>
>> how damn ugly!
>
> I have just updated this image showing the box and partial views of all 3
> CDs.
> Go to the bottom of my page at www.ricochetdream.com/music.html
http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/76001.html
has the track listing
Paul
From:
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 11:22
am
Subject: KS items for trade or sale
Hello,
I have following Klaus Schulze Vinyl items for trade or sale !!!
If you interested in any items of my list please contact me off_list. thank you.
Regards
heiko
email: heiko@o...
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter
All vinlys:
- Dune / BRAIN 0060.225 / 1979 / orange label / m-/m-
- Moondawn / Ariola 27 556-1 / Spain 1976 / vg-/vg-
- Transfer / IC 80014 / 1981 / vg+/vg+
- Angst / Inteam ID 20.003 / 1984 / m-/m-
- Irrlicht / Clemtine CLE 33005 / France 1972 / foc / vg+/vg+
- Mirage / BRAIN 60.040 / 1977 / foc / m-/m-
- ...Live... / BRAIN 0080.048 / foc / 2LP / incl. Poster / m/m-
- Miditerranean Pads / Thunderbolt THBL 081 / UK / still sealed
- Go Too / Arista AB 4138 / 1977 / USA / Promo
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 12:06
pm
Subject: tradelist update !!!
Hello Guys,
I add 19 items to my tardelist, please jump to:
http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/tradelist.htm
Thank you.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
From:
'heineu'
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 12:09
pm
Subject: tradelist update again
sorry at my last email was a little type error in the URL.
this is the right adress:
http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/Tradelist.htm
Regards
Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:59
pm
Subject: Okefenokee 2002
Boy, Dell was right. By taking over a month to get my Okefenokee 2002
website going, I doomed it to a very limited audience.
For anyone who's been looking for something to do, please visit the
Okefenokee 2002 website and check out the photos, stories, music samples,
and video preview of the forthcoming Okefenokee 2002 DVD.
http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/
I've just received a pack of nice photos from Robert G. and am expecting
more from Carlo R. soon. These will be up on the website in the next week
hopefully.
-Morgan
np. Danger: Live!
From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Re: New Castle issues
Does anyone know if Castle own the rights to 'Epsilon In Malaysian
Pale' and 'Macula Transfer' ? I'd love to own those two on remastered
CD.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., René Brenner wrote:
> Well... what would be the reason? New remastering techniques? Or
just
> re-release out of print issues.
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 6:47
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #277
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #277 July 11, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates
ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'Energy' on the Deep Sky label. Plus, the show ran an extra hour,
just because it could!
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Body Love Vol. 2' by Klaus Schulze on the
Brain label.
Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze Moogetique Body Love Vol. 2 (Brain)
Vir Unis and Kinetic Center Thermal Transfer (Binary)
Saul Stokes
Vir Unis and Stroboscopic Thermal Transfer (Binary)
Saul Stokes
Vir Unis and Replicants in Orbit Thermal Transfer (Binary)
Saul Stokes
Ministry of Inside Set One * Soundscapes Concert #2 (none)
Things
Ron Boots Forgotten Memories Liquid Structures in Solid
Form (Groove)
12:00 am
Robert Carty Up from the Depths Energy (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Rolling View Energy (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Contemplating Horizon Energy (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Moving Towards You Energy (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Evening Vibrations Energy (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Energy Energy (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty New Touch Energy (Deep Sky)
1:00 am
VA [Kubusschnitt] Vantage Trick Beyond Me (Neu Harmony)
VA [Dave Fulton] Falling Away Beyond Me (Neu Harmony)
VA [Synthetic Block] Flash of Attention Beyond Me (Neu Harmony)
Paul Ellis Drifting Shards from Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
an Ice Floe
Paul Ellis Luminous Depths in a Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
Sapphire Sea
Paul Ellis Suspended Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
Paul Ellis The Underground River Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
VA [Detlef Keller] Different Faces Rehearsal First Decade (Manikin)
Dino Pacifici untitled * special cdr (none)
2:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Midnight Rainbows' on the Deep Sky label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Aqua' by Edgar Froese on the Brain
label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:01
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree II - Initial thoughts (Even better than the real thing!!!!!!)
Hi folks,
I am lucky enough to have heard the first 10 discs in the second instalment
of the Tangerine Tree project, namely Tangerine Tree II which has been
kindly supplied to me by Heiko Heerssen. All I can say is - WOW!!! The set
is even better than Tangerine Tree. The highlights for me are:
Croydon 1982 (2 disc concert set)- The classic Logos concert virtually
complete. Very good sound quality and the unreleased stuff sounds as good
as ever.
Warsaw 2001 (3 disc concert set) - The sound quality really is superb here
and I can't stop playing these disks. The added guitar and extra percussion
works very well,and gives a new dimension to the material played. A must
have for any fan of recent TD!
Newcastle 1981 (2 disc concert set) - Great 2 cd set which includes
unreleased material and early development of certain Logos themes - very
interesting stuff!
also included are:
Mannheim 1976 - Quite good sound quality recording giving a good idea of
what the concerts of that time were like!
London (disk 2 of a 2 cd concert): Again, a good sound quality recording
which gives a good idea of what the concerts of that time were like!
Musically, I think a lot of fans will prefer Tangerine Tree II to Tangerine
Tree, as the concerts are a bit more melodic this time round (IMHO).
Anyway, I felt I had to whet your appetites for Tangerine Tree II. If you
havn't signed up for it, more the fool you... ;-)
Once again, congratulations to Heiko (and everyone involved in providing
source material) and to Tangerine Dream for going along with the initiative!
;-)
Best regards,
Conrad
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: kraftwerk live
Hi,
I saw today in the newspaper that Kraftwerk is going to play 2 dates in Paris
for a festival of digital creation and new medias.
Will it take a festival of medieval literature to get TD to come over here for
a show?
By the way, the first Inferno concert took place in a festival of 'alter musik'
(alter = old or other?), so are the other shows associated with some kind of
event or are they 'just regular concerts'?
Thomas.
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:40
am
Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree II - Initial thoughts (Even better than the real thing!!!!!!)
> I am lucky enough to have heard the first 10 discs in the second instalment
> of the Tangerine Tree project, namely Tangerine Tree II which has been
> kindly supplied to me by Heiko Heerssen. All I can say is - WOW!!! The set
> is even better than Tangerine Tree.
Hi Conrad,
thanks for the praise (errm..can you please email me off-list and let me know
again the exact number of Guinness bottles you wanted to have from me for
writing this? ~LOL~)
I now have the final versions of all TT#2 discs and by the end of the week I
will most likely finish copying them for my branches & leaves. I decided to
replace one of the concerts with another one from 1978 (this will reduce the
number of CDRs from 15 to 14), details will follow soon.
Regards,
Heiko
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant
--- omegatransfinito wrote:
> > > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD
> music would
> you
> > > play for an unborn child????
> > >
>
> A tough question, I don't remember anymore what my
> musical
> tastes were at that time :-P
I could remember what my musical taste was at that
point but the birth was so traumatic that everything
before The Outer World has been wiped out from my
mind.
From TD... Rubycon of course. (Come on! What did you
expect from me! ;-)
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Something other than TD? :)
--- Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Marko said:
> >
> >You don't listen anything else but TD, right?
> Perhaps
> >in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-)
> >No, really! Try something different sometimes!
> >
> >Regards,
> >Marko Marin
>
> For the longest time, I listened to samples of other
> people's music but
> really only found Tangerine Dream compelling. In
> fact, I'd given up on the
> idea that there was other music I'd really get
> attached to.
>
> Then I heard the Okefenokee 2000 CD.
>
> Now, these artists get heavy play around here:
>
> Free System Project
> AirSculpture
> Kubusschnitt
> Lakveet - Scab
> Star Sounds Orchestra
> Wavestar
> Mark Shreeve
> Arcane
>
> I hope Airwave puts out a CD soon. :)
>
> -Morgan
Hmmm... I know AirSculpure for sure... Altough I
haven't found any of their cd's in the stores here in
Finland. I only have couple of Mp3-files.
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] kraftwerk live
Hi
Kraftwerk is going to play 3 concerts- 2 of them starting on the same day
20.00 and 23.59.
Tickets here: http://www.cite-musique.fr/anglais/_database/cs_m0209.htm
Jean Michel Jarre plays AERO in Denmark Sep. 7 - info and tickets
http://sites.tv2.dk/aerouk/
I will be there!!!
E-Live 2002 will have Neuronium as the star - more info
http://www.groove.nl/elive.html
Regards,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: [tadream] kraftwerk live
Hi,
I saw today in the newspaper that Kraftwerk is going to play 2 dates in
Paris for a festival of digital creation and new medias.
Will it take a festival of medieval literature to get TD to come over here
for a show?
By the way, the first Inferno concert took place in a festival of 'alter
musik' (alter = old or other?), so are the other shows associated with some
kind of event or are they 'just regular concerts'?
Thomas.
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 4:18
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree II - a question
Is the 1982 show really from Croydon ? The Logos album was recorded
at the Dominion Theatre in London (I still have my programme and
ticket stub) - I suppose they were performing pretty much the same
material each show by then so that could be why I'm confused by
the 'Logos concert' description.
Toby
> Croydon 1982 (2 disc concert set)- The classic Logos concert
virtually
> complete. Very good sound quality and the unreleased stuff sounds
as good
> as ever.
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:15
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree II - a question
Yes, you are indeed correct - I meant Logos 'material' rather than
'concert'. Hope that clears things up. Also , the London cdr is London
1975 btw.
Regards,
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: braddito [mailto:toby.braddick@u...]
Sent: 16 July 2002 17:18
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree II - a question
Is the 1982 show really from Croydon ? The Logos album was recorded
at the Dominion Theatre in London (I still have my programme and
ticket stub) - I suppose they were performing pretty much the same
material each show by then so that could be why I'm confused by
the 'Logos concert' description.
Toby
> Croydon 1982 (2 disc concert set)- The classic Logos concert
virtually
> complete. Very good sound quality and the unreleased stuff sounds
as good
> as ever.
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #277
Sounds like a great show... I WANT TO HEAR IT!!!
Get streaming and get it now! :-)
> PLAYLIST:
>
> ARTIST TRACK
> ALBUM (label)
> ======================= ========================
> ==============================
> 11:04 pm
> Klaus Schulze Moogetique
> Body Love Vol. 2 (Brain)
> Vir Unis and Kinetic Center
> Thermal Transfer (Binary)
> Saul Stokes
> Vir Unis and Stroboscopic
> Thermal Transfer (Binary)
> Saul Stokes
> Vir Unis and Replicants in Orbit
> Thermal Transfer (Binary)
> Saul Stokes
> Ministry of Inside Set One *
> Soundscapes Concert #2 (none)
> Things
> Ron Boots Forgotten Memories
> Liquid Structures in Solid
>
> Form (Groove)
>
> 12:00 am
> Robert Carty Up from the Depths
> Energy (Deep Sky)
> Robert Carty Rolling View
> Energy (Deep Sky)
> Robert Carty Contemplating Horizon
> Energy (Deep Sky)
> Robert Carty Moving Towards You
> Energy (Deep Sky)
> Robert Carty Evening Vibrations
> Energy (Deep Sky)
> Robert Carty Energy
> Energy (Deep Sky)
> Robert Carty New Touch
> Energy (Deep Sky)
>
> 1:00 am
> VA [Kubusschnitt] Vantage Trick
> Beyond Me (Neu Harmony)
> VA [Dave Fulton] Falling Away
> Beyond Me (Neu Harmony)
> VA [Synthetic Block] Flash of Attention
> Beyond Me (Neu Harmony)
> Paul Ellis Drifting Shards from Into
> the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
> an Ice Floe
> Paul Ellis Luminous Depths in a Into
> the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
> Sapphire Sea
> Paul Ellis Suspended Into
> the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
> Paul Ellis The Underground River Into
> the Liquid Unknown (Binary)
> VA [Detlef Keller] Different Faces Rehearsal
> First Decade (Manikin)
> Dino Pacifici untitled *
> special cdr (none)
>
> 2:00 am
>
> * = exerpt
> VA = Various Artists (compilation)
>
>
> NEXT SHOW:
> On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long
> focus on Robert Carty. The
> Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Midnight Rainbows'
> on the Deep Sky label.
>
> The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Aqua' by
> Edgar Froese on the Brain
> label.
>
>
> Bill
>
===============================================================================
> Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space
> music show. Thursdays at
> 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
> Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
> Phillipsburg.
> Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM
> every other Saturday at 6 am.
> Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
> http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
> Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org
> http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
> Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
> To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and
> click on [Join This Group!]
> SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
>
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Croydon 82
>Is the 1982 show really from Croydon ? The Logos album was recorded
>at the Dominion Theatre in London (I still have my programme and
>ticket stub) - I suppose they were performing pretty much the same
>material each show by then so that could be why I'm confused by
>the 'Logos concert' description.
>
>Toby
You're right, the Logos album is mostly from the Dominion Theater show in
London on Nov 6, 1982.
But musically, Croydon 82 is almost identical to what was played at the
Logos show.
I say mostly above because Logos is 60 minutes long (including the Dominion
encore) and excludes:
~20 minutes of unreleased* tracks that were later used in The Soldier or
The Keep
Choronzon
Tangent (3 1/2 min intro)
Mojave Plan
White Eagle (encore)
Midnight in Tula (encore)
and the second to last bit of music (from 36:15 - 42:15 if you have the SBM
edition) is more reminiscent of the Nov 11 Dusseldorf show. Honestly, it's
probably from some show we don't even have a tape of, or re-recorded in the
studio.
*What Edgar did to these tracks on The Keep (TDI) and Hollywood Years 2
could hardly be considered a proper release.
-Morgan
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:38
pm
Subject: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad?
Hi All!
Ralf Wadephul joined with Paul and Edgar for the 88 US 'Atari' tour.
Three keyboardists. Who the heck played the octapad? Anyone know or have
a photo of the stage setup?
Thanks -- Mark (...being driven a little bonkers by this question...)
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:36
am
Subject: Re: Shivers
I'm a bit late getting in on this thread, but its a
good one and I've been thinking about how I would
respond.
I like the term 'mental orgasm' or 'eargasm' rather
than 'shiver' because it comes closer to explaining
what I really feel. It's true that some people never
experience music this intensely, and I feel sorry for
them.
These TD music moments give me an eargasm virtually
everytime I hear them:
'Horizon' from Poland
'Atem' from Atem
'Orange Breath' (I think that's the title) from Seven
Letters from Tibet
'Canzione' from The Keep Soundtrack
'Sungate' from Optical Race
'After the Call' from the Miracle Mile Soundtrack
These moments by other EM folks also give me an
eargastic shiver (woo-hoo!):
'Premonition of Circular Clouds' from Robert Rich's
Bestiary
'12:18' from Global Communication's 76:14
'Her Cathedral' from Tim Story's Beguiled
'Suspended...On A Sea of Glass' from Giles Reaves Sea
of Glass
'Circles, Part 1' from Kit Watkins's Circles
Anyway...that's what comes to mind. For me, one of the
best moments at the recent Oke gathering was when a
group of us went on a short nature trail, and paused
about 10 minutes at a rest spot to listen to the
'natural ambience' of the area. Not a one of us said a
thing for that long. We just listened...in this day
and age, what a great way to stop and smell the roses
(or swamp, in our case).
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 5:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad?
> Hi All!
>
> Ralf Wadephul joined with Paul and Edgar for the 88 US 'Atari' tour.
> Three keyboardists. Who the heck played the octapad? Anyone know or have
> a photo of the stage setup?
Wasn't it Paul Haslinger who played the Octapad?..But I could be wrong :-)
Heiko
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 6:31
am
Subject: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad?
Mark asks:
>88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad?
Well I have two answers for you--the immediate one that comes to mind is no
one. I think they were using the Akais for sampling drums by then.
The second is--it was difficult to see. I remember the weird metal tubes
with ladder-like rungs on 'em--although thinking back perhaps they weren't
vertical and the band played back from the front of the stage, so when you
combine that with the prolific fog from the machines and the bright lights
(may have been intellibeams)--you couldn't see all that much 'playing'
except for the guitar solos. They really didn't move around that much. The
lighting was more sparse than all the cool theatrical stuff they had on the
1986 tour.
Actually, I think Andy Summers did more jumping about just trying to tangle
with his array of equipment, so he could play solo as the opening act.
Quite different from the jazz show I saw him play about 5 years ago where he
had returned to a 3 piece a la The Police with a drummer and a bass
player--certainly much more immediate.
--T
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 7:31
am
Subject: TT2 Cover Art
For those of you who have asked about the TT2 cover art, the track listings
for the tree have just been finalised this morning, and the covers are being
updated with the new details. I plan to have them all finished and availabe
for downloading from the new Tree cover art website at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
by no later than this Friday.
I'll post an annoucement as soon as they're ready.
Maff
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Croydon 82
Morgan Feldon wrote:
[snip]
> and the second to last bit of music (from 36:15 - 42:15 if you have the SBM
> edition) is more reminiscent of the Nov 11 Dusseldorf show. Honestly, it's
> probably from some show we don't even have a tape of, or re-recorded in the
> studio.
>
what do you mean with SBM edition - so something not on the regular
tree? I've been on that Nov 11 show in Duesseldorf, but surely
don't remember every note of music of it.
armin
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 10:32
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Croydon 82
I think Morgan is referring to the 'Super Bit Mapping' procedure...
NP: Tangerine Tree II Warsaw Disc 1/3 :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
Sent: 17 July 2002 09:51
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Croydon 82
Morgan Feldon wrote:
[snip]
> and the second to last bit of music (from 36:15 - 42:15 if you have the
SBM
> edition) is more reminiscent of the Nov 11 Dusseldorf show. Honestly, it's
> probably from some show we don't even have a tape of, or re-recorded in
the
> studio.
>
what do you mean with SBM edition - so something not on the regular
tree? I've been on that Nov 11 show in Duesseldorf, but surely
don't remember every note of music of it.
armin
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 10:35
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 Cover Art
I have just 'made' a sturdy box for my TT set. Please can you put up
instructions on how to actually assemble the box?
Rgards,
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@b...]
Sent: 17 July 2002 08:32
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] TT2 Cover Art
For those of you who have asked about the TT2 cover art, the track listings
for the tree have just been finalised this morning, and the covers are being
updated with the new details. I plan to have them all finished and availabe
for downloading from the new Tree cover art website at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
by no later than this Friday.
I'll post an annoucement as soon as they're ready.
Maff
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Croydon 82
> NP: Tangerine Tree II Warsaw Disc 1/3 :-)
This is a fantastic concert which I believe will even please the
'everything-after-Schmoelling-left-is-crap' folks on this list (in case we have
any ;-))
Heiko
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:08
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad?
I don't remeber seeing any pads either....
And the 'ladders' were kinda of leaning at an angle....
I don't know what purpose they served other than to be a reflective surface
for the Light show...
MJ
Who played the octapad?
>
>
> Mark asks:
>
> >88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad?
>
>
> Well I have two answers for you--the immediate one that comes to
> mind is no
> one. I think they were using the Akais for sampling drums by then.
>
> The second is--it was difficult to see. I remember the weird metal tubes
> with ladder-like rungs on 'em--although thinking back perhaps
> they weren't
> vertical and the band played back from the front of the stage, so
> when you
> combine that with the prolific fog from the machines and the
> bright lights
> (may have been intellibeams)--you couldn't see all that much 'playing'
> except for the guitar solos. They really didn't move around that
> much. The
> lighting was more sparse than all the cool theatrical stuff they
> had on the
> 1986 tour.
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:22
pm
Subject: World sex tour 2001
Hi
Check http://us.imdb.com/Name?Dream,+Tangerine
Seem like TD didn't tell us everything :-)
Peter
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] World sex tour 2001
Hey, flag your links if none of my workmates should see it
(or worse: my manager)
armin ;-)
Peter Ravn wrote:
> Hi
>
> Check http://us.imdb.com/Name?Dream,+Tangerine
>
> Seem like TD didn't tell us everything :-)
>
> Peter
>
>
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>
>
>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: Fw: [SPACEMUSIC] The Ministry of Inside Things
Important message I thought might interest a few people. I hope you don't mind
the cross posting.
Cheers,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chuck van Zyl'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: [SPACEMUSIC] The Ministry of Inside Things
> The Ministry of Inside Things has completed the brief Summer 'tour'.
> Thanks to everyone who came out to see us! Please access our webpage for
> photos from concerts at: Jim's Mustang Lounge, The Ambient Ping,
> Soundscapes, EMUSIC and NOCTURNAL TRANSMISSIONS
>
> http://www.synkronosmusic.com
>
> MoIT will next play out live on Sunday 11 August 2002 at the CD Release
> Party for the new compilation disc entitled: THE GATHERINGS. The 'party'
> begins at 7pm in the parish hall at St. Mary's Hamilton Village in
> University City Philadelphia, PA USA. Please access:
>
> http://www.thegatherings.org
>
> for complete details. Hope to see you there!
>
> Regards,
>
> -chuck van zyl
From:
'sequentc'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:45
am
Subject: REMASTERS : Journey Through a Burning Brain Conclusion?!
I listened to the 'anthology' Journey Through a Burning Brain (3CD-set), and
thought this new set (anthology) has better definition, sound stage and
impact of sound overall.....as I was in doubt, in case my ears deceived
me........
............I did a random sample check ..........of same wave files and
compared them 'old' to 'new'......... and there is a 'visible' difference in
the wave files, with different peaks and a much more dense detail of
information on the new set!
I thought perhaps the 'loudness' might have been adjusted..and in fact when
I checked, the older original recordings have a 'higher' sound output than
the 'new' anthology ones ... but the new ones still sound 'better'?
Conclusion
The anthology is a 'remastered' set - with 'better' sound quality.
The inlay details of the 'box set' does state 'Mastered at : Sanctuary
Mastering'.........so presumably these are 'newer' and 'better' versions.
Please would someone else comment or quantify this 'observation'.
And ................
I have been sadly informed by Sanctuary that 'There will be no test CDR's
pressings for this title' - Kind regards/Customer Services - Sanctuary
Records Group.
:-(
Con31
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:39
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD while pregnant
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Armin Theissen
>My soon-to-be wife is pregnant ;-) and we know that in a few
>weeks the embryo will already be able to hear. We got a CD which
>...
>What TD music would you play for an unborn child????
We played a lot of classical music, Grateful Dead, TD. Sometimes put the
headphones on the belly.
Which TD? Tangram, of course, and whatever else I could get my wife to
tolerate ;-), like RAH'75, Palast der Republik, Firestarter, etc.
From:
'tangram12'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 12:02
am
Subject: Re: REMASTERS : Journey Through a Burning Brain Conclusion?!
here is an email i recieved about the anthology test pressings i
have:-
-----Original Message-----
From: duncan mckee
To: dorothy.howe@v...
Cc: matthew.sweeting@s...
Date: 26 June 2002 14:26
Subject: tangerine dream, anthology
hi
i have just aquired a set of 3 cdrs entitled Tangerine
dream 'Anthology'
it has for promotional use only , not for sale typed on the cover
(see scan)
are these official test pressings for the forth coming release on
15th july?
reply is:-
Dear Duncan,
Yes they are. We're expecting finished copies of the anthology in
the next week or so.
Kind regards,
Dorothy
so maybe they are not sending out the testopressings any more :-)
Duncan
--- In tadream@y..., 'sequentc' wrote:
> I listened to the 'anthology' Journey Through a Burning Brain (3CD-
set), and
> thought this new set (anthology) has better definition, sound
stage and
> impact of sound overall.....as I was in doubt, in case my ears
deceived
> me........
>
> ............I did a random sample check ..........of same wave
files and
> compared them 'old' to 'new'......... and there is a 'visible'
difference in
> the wave files, with different peaks and a much more dense detail
of
> information on the new set!
>
> I thought perhaps the 'loudness' might have been adjusted..and in
fact when
> I checked, the older original recordings have a 'higher' sound
output than
> the 'new' anthology ones ... but the new ones still sound 'better'?
>
> Conclusion
> The anthology is a 'remastered' set - with 'better' sound quality.
> The inlay details of the 'box set' does state 'Mastered at :
Sanctuary
> Mastering'.........so presumably these are 'newer' and 'better'
versions.
>
> Please would someone else comment or quantify this 'observation'.
>
> And ................
>
> I have been sadly informed by Sanctuary that 'There will be no
test CDR's
> pressings for this title' - Kind regards/Customer Services -
Sanctuary
> Records Group.
>
> :-(
> Con31
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:46
am
Subject: 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to trade
Hello Tadreamers,
I have 15 spare sets of the new 'Tangerine Tree Volume 2' which I can
give away at a strict non-profit price. Each set consists of 14 audio
CDRs ('redbook' format) which were copied from the master discs. This
offer is especially interesting to those people which got placed on a
high tree level number
(http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm)
Any of these sets can be traded against:
a) 20 audio CDRs -without jewel cases- to any European country (the
extra cdr's will cover my postage costs of €6)
b) US$25 to any country outside Europe (this amount exactly covers the
cost of airmail postage and buying 14 audio CDRs)
First come, first served :-)
my email address: 'heiko.heerssen@h...'
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'TT#2' consists of the following concerts:
Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 BBC master tape copy
Volume 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 audience master tape
Volume 11: Hamburg Audimax 24 February 1978
Volume 12: Croydon Fairfield Hall 31 October 1982 audience master tape
Volume 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 / Saarbrücken Universität
24 January 1976 audience master tapes
Volume 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 audience master tape
Volume 15-16: Warsaw 31 August 2001 soundboard recording
Heiko
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to trade
> This offer is especially interesting to those people which got placed on a
> high tree level number
> (http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm)
>
Maybe this sentence was a bit misleading, when I wrote 'high tree level number'
I meant those people
which are at the bottom of this list (Tree level 6-8, for example) , and
therefore have to wait much
longer for their discs as others.
Heiko
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:40
am
Subject: TDI updated
Hi
Yesterday TDI website was updated with the following text:
'-- Tangerine Dream and TDI Music Websites are merging in the next few days.....
Sorry about the slow Website updates in the past ..... but we are working
very hard on a complete rebuild of our WWW presence!!! Main focus will be
taken on merging the TD and TDI Music Sites .... Please be patient ....
it will be worth the wait!!!!
-- TD to perform 'Inferno' at Medieval Castle
It is now officially confirmed that Tangerine Dream will perform Inferno
at the Festspiele Burg Nideggen, in the scenic location of the yard of the
Medieval castle of the town of Nideggen.
Nideggen is in the Rhineland and the nearest big city and airport is Cologne.
There will be two shows:
- Friday, August 23rd, 9 p.m.
- Saturday, August 24th, 9 p.m.
There will be an optional third show on Saturday, August 24th, midnight,
if both shows are sold out.
Infos about the location and the event can be found here:
www.eifel-festspiele.de
Tickets can be ordered at: www.ticketonline.de.'
Regards,
Peter
Peter Ravn
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 3:15
pm
Subject: TT2 - downloading???
Hi
Just curious, when are the TT2 ready for
download?????................hehe....can't wait....=O)
Regards
Jan
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 4:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to trade
> > (http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm)
Why the database above is not compatible with the one on Yahoo? Where to
find my Branch Supplier and my Leaves?
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.'
I would be interested in knowing where to find this station as well since I
live in Florida and have yet to hear a station that plays anything like EM.
It would be great to get a taste of other artists without having to buy an
album that has a style you may not like. 8-Dell
All IMO of course.
NP: Chicago '92 some great guitar work in there, I think, though I sometimes
can't tell the difference from a synth.
Wade!
>
>Wade Gordon wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program called
> > 'Sound Explorer?'
> >
> > Right now it is available for free on the web on the
> > www.lougentile.com website.
>I couldn't find how to listen to your show.
>
>Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:23
pm
Subject: Sorry, a bit off topic
Sorry people for the off topic, but I thought maybe somebody out there
could help me out. My reciever / amp at my shop has seen its better days and
now I'm starting to look for a replacement. BTW, I have kept my eyes open on
ebay and half.com of late, but none yet. What I'm looking for is a used and
atleast fairly powerful black Pioneer amp that will atleast 'test' my Klipsch
and 15' Peavy speakers a bit 8-). I don't mind paying around a couple
hundred bucks for the right one. I want it Pioneer and black just so that it'd
match the rest of the units there. 8-\ Actually, there is one specifically
that I wouldn't mind getting my hands on and it's a Pioneer A-717 amp! Any
replies please email me off list and thanks !
Been listening to TD's 'Rumpelstiltskin' today and I will say that the
theme is a beautiful piece !! Definitely on the sweet side .... maybe I'm just
a marshmellow 8-\ 8-) Too bad it's only just shy of three minutes
though. 8-\ Up next ... Kitaro's 'Kojiki'. This is a nice CD IMO. Kitaro's
got the backing of an orchesta behind him. The man is a very talented musician
/ composer. I probably would even say that he has been blessed with natural
talent. It appears that I've been going back to my new age days of late
8-\ 8-). [That's just Frank's usual smirk there 8-)] How many out there
in TD land have missed me? Aww, schucks [blushing with glee 8-)]
Yo, 'Beerhammer' ! You still out there ! They must be keeping a pretty
close eye on you and your new job, because I haven't heard or seen you peak
your head out from underneathe your rock in a while 8-). Or maybe they just
pulled the plug on him and his computer 8-).
Frank, just feeling good this morning. Everyone, have a good one ....
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorry, a bit off topic
> Up next ... Kitaro's 'Kojiki'.
I had almost forgotten about this album. Have just put it on.....thanks for
reminding me.............=O)
Regards
Jan
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:57
pm
Subject: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
The conversation about Kojiki brought up an interesting question:
Sections of track 6 'Matsuri' bear a striking resemblance to 'Guenevere'
from the musical 'Camelot' (Lerner & Loewe). Anyone else notice this, or is
it just me. My wife's a HUGE Camelot fan, and the first time she heard
Matsuri she said 'that sounds like 'Guenevere''.
I argued with her at first, but then I listened to them 'side-by-side' and I
had to agree.
The setting and background is different, but the melody is nearly identical.
On yet another deviation, my wife also insists that Vangelis' 'Sauvage et
Beau' is very similar to 'Fernando' by ABBA. Any takers?
James
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
'Owens, James' wrote:
> On yet another deviation, my wife also insists that Vangelis' 'Sauvage et
> Beau' is very similar to 'Fernando' by ABBA. Any takers?
I wouldn't say it's very similar, as I had not noticed the similarity
till today, but now that you have mentioned it, yes I can almost sing
'Fernando' on top of the track 'Sauvage et Beau' :-)
Antonio
np: Vangelis - Sauvage et Beau
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
At 20:26 18-7-02 +0100, you wrote:
>'Owens, James' wrote:
>
> > On yet another deviation, my wife also insists that Vangelis' 'Sauvage et
> > Beau' is very similar to 'Fernando' by ABBA. Any takers?
>
>I wouldn't say it's very similar, as I had not noticed the similarity
>till today, but now that you have mentioned it, yes I can almost sing
>'Fernando' on top of the track 'Sauvage et Beau' :-)
>
>Antonio
>
>np: Vangelis - Sauvage et Beau
Or is it Fernando? ;-)
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
PO Box 2171
8203 AD Lelystad
the Netherlands
Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
http://www.groove.nl
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From:
'Steve'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing the
chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours...
Steve
www.craftman.co.uk
www.rottievision.com
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
Then there is also this Wizard of Oz sync you can do as well.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Steve'
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and
Vangelis/ABBA
> There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing
the
> chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours...
>
> Steve
>
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> www.rottievision.com
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>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
Steve wrote:
>
> There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing the
> chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours...
And there's a part in 'Alchemy of the heart', between 8.46 and 8.53,
which reminds me of Procol Harum's 'A whiter shade of pale'.
Antonio
np - Tyger
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.'
Adele,
Right now 'Sound Explorer' is running 24/7 on
www.lougentile.com. You can hear the program (with
commercials) on radio stations in Melbourne, Orlando,
and Tampa, Florida. I highly recomend the one with
out commercials. Its not that I don't like
commercials I just think it works better.
Wade
--- Adele Outland wrote:
> I would be interested in knowing where to find this
> station as well since I
> live in Florida and have yet to hear a station that
> plays anything like EM.
> It would be great to get a taste of other artists
> without having to buy an
> album that has a style you may not like. 8-Dell
>
> All IMO of course.
> NP: Chicago '92 some great guitar work in there, I
> think, though I sometimes
> can't tell the difference from a synth.
>
> Wade!
> >
> >Wade Gordon wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program
> called
> > > 'Sound Explorer?'
> > >
> > > Right now it is available for free on the web on
> the
> > > www.lougentile.com website.
>
> >I couldn't find how to listen to your show.
> >
> >Ciao -- Mark
>
>
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>
>
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
Steve wrote: There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you
can sing the chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours...
And there's a part in 'Alchemy of the heart', between 8.46 and 8.53, which
reminds me of Procol Harum's 'A whiter shade of pale'.
and Antonio wrote np - Tyger
And Tyger just sounds like Livemiles!
Being serious some of Cyclone sounds like Hawkwind
David
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: now sounds like was:Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelo
then there's that TD song that sounds like New Order--can't remember the
title off-hand, but I know it when I hear it. And I don't think it's that
New Order tune that sounds like the Cure and vice versa....
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 9:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA
Lots of takers on Sauvage et Beau...
Any comments on Matsuri (from Kojiki)?
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:24
am
Subject: Re: A bit off topic
Just letting people know that using a different search engine I was able to
track down that Pioneer A-717 amp that I've been looking for. It costed me
three and a quarter, used, but since I already have an identical one at home I
know it'll be able to 'test' my speakers. 8-)
Eric van der Heijden's 'Universal Time Zone'. 'The Last Time' is an awesome
track! I love the sound of those horns!
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From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:35
am
Subject: Japan Poster Offer
Hello everyone
I have a spare Tangerine Dream poster available for trade. I have included a
scan at this link:
http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/Japan_70s_poster.jpg
The poster is from 1975, Japan Nippon Columbia, double-sided (back-side
lists various Virgin artists TD & Schulze included, albums and rock music
development chart upto 1975).
Any swap suggestion is welcome. BTW, I am looking specifically for the
following items:
1977 NA Tour Poster
1983 Japan Tour Poster
Rubyon 7' Aussie
Please contact me off-list at: coldwatercanyon.hotmail.com
Thanks
Jeffrey
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From:
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Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 2:06
am
Subject: New file uploaded to tadream
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream
group.
File : /Mark's_Concise_Compact_Disk_Primer_.txt
Uploaded by : mark_filipak
Description : Mark's Concise Compact Disk Primer
You can access this file at the URL
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_.txt
To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
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Regards,
mark_filipak
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 2:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream
Hi All!
By request I uploaded this primer so all TD fanatics can read it.
Especially, Tangerine Tree participants may want to skim the last few
sections.
Ciao -- Mark
tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
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>
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> Description : Mark's Concise Compact Disk Primer
>
> You can access this file at the URL
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From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:32
am
Subject: Re: TDI updated
> Infos about the location and the event can be found here:
www.eifel-festspiele.de
There is absolutely nothing at that site ... if you have a Flash-incapable
browser. F*cking incompetents.
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From:
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Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:10
am
Subject:
>From: Jens Kilian
>Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:32 am
>Subject: Re: TDI updated
>
>
> > Infos about the location and the event can be found here:
>www.eifel-festspiele.de
>
>There is absolutely nothing at that site ... if you have a Flash-incapable
>browser. F*cking incompetents.
And a very nice Flash site it is.
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:56
am
Subject: VitN updated
Hi folks,
just a short note to inform you that VitN has been updated yesterday.
Nothing great, just some more cover scans, release details and fixed
errors... and, of course, the entry for the brand new Anthology album
we all have waited for so eagerly to complete our TD-sub-collection
titled 'pink and blue years compilations' -- after 'The
Collection', 'The Best Of TD', 'From Dusk 'til Dawn', 'The Story Of
TD', 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years', not to mention the
tangentized stuff on 'Book Of Dreams', 'The Dream Roots Collection'
and 'I-Box'... ;-)
Best regards
Michael
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:31
pm
Subject: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to
some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with
some background information for those who are interested.
Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 (2 CDRs, 123 minutes,
remastered by '3N')
--for the Tree version we combined two sources to produce the complete
concert: source #1 is a CDR copy which was taken directly from the
original BBC IPS mono master tape, source #2 was taken from the audience
master tape recording which was recorded and kindly supplied to me by
list member Chris Wojtecki. Those of you who have listened to the
'Coefficient of aural expansion' bootleg CD (or the 'Ruby in the sky' 2
CDR version) know that the first set gets faded out after 61 minutes,
and therefore misses the last 8-9 minutes of the track. For the 'tree'
version both parts were merged together, and now we are able to hear the
complete set as it was performed by Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke and
Michael Hoenig. I must admit that I always liked this concert, but not
to the same extent as for example Nottingham Albert Hall 1976. But it
has really grown on me, and I now regard this as 'essential' (whatever
this means ;-) I also think that it's a big improvement over the
original mono version as it has a great (pseudo) stereo sound.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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Volume 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (2 CDRs, 110 minutes,
remastered by Tentbuckum; (Side Effects), and 3N)
--source: CDR copy of audience master tape which was used for the
production of the 'Spaces & spheres bootleg LP. For the most part this
is an excellent sounding audience recording which I consider to be the
best existing tape source of Tangerine Dream's 1981 UK tour. Almost 50%
of the music is as yet unreleased, and it's really a shame that TDI does
not release the entire concert (of the first long piece only 'Edinburgh
Castle' and 'Bondy Parade' were released in more or less different
versions)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----------------
Volume 11: Hamburg Audimax 24 February 1978 (1 CDR, 53 minutes,
remastered by 3N)
--I decided to replace Birmingham Odeon 17 March 1986 in favour of this
concert, and to leave Birmingham for TT#3. The tape we used for the
Hamburg 78 show comes from an unknown, but surely low tape generation. I
guess that 1978 isn't among our favourite TD years, some love it but the
majority does not (but maybe I'm wrong? :-) The 'Cyclone' tour is also
disappointing in that the number of good sounding audience recordings
can almost be counted on one hand (we have twelve recordings from the
'Cyclone' tour of which maybe only three or four have a reasonable sound
quality) The Hamburg Audimax tape is missing the entire first piece, and
I'm afraid we will never get to hear it. The second piece however is IMO
an excellent improvisation, full of floating mellotron and other
keyboard sounds. The first half of it is very relaxing while the other
is more dynamic, and Steve Joliffe murmurs something like 'he's a liar'
(?) The encore is rather short and quite wild :-)
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Volume 12: Croydon Fairfield Hall 31 October 1982 (2 CDR, 110 minutes,
remastered by (Side Effects) ,and 3N)
--oh how I love this concert!! :-B As most of you know for the
official 'Logos' release a large chunk of music had to be cut out to
make it fit onto a single LP. Whereas 'Logos' consists of one long piece
& 'Dominion' as encore the real concert had two long sets (43 & 51
minutes), and three encores (Midnight in Tula, White eagle, Dominion).
For the 'tree version' I was lucky to receive a CDR copy straight from
the master tape recording, and thanks to the brilliant remastering of
(Side Effects) and 3N the 'tree' version is a big improvement over the
original recording. It's great to listen to entire concert in a very
good sound quality, and the music played on this tour will always be one
of my favourites.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----------------
Volume 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 / Saarbrücken Universität
24 January 1976 (2 CDR, 142 minutes, remastered by 3N)
--these audience recordings were discovered about 1 1/2 years ago, and
got circulated among fans in a rather poor sound quality (the source
cd's were overmodulated and the sound suffered from many skips and
scratches) But someone on this list managed to get his hands on the
original master tapes (thanks John!) and therefore we were able to use
them for the 'tree' version, and again the remastering is superb. I have
listened to Mannheim Mozartsaal so many times now that I know this
concert almost inside out..well it's from 1976 so what more can I say
except that it's great :-) My favourite is Track 3, a twenty minute
excursion which shows just how fantastic and unique the
Froese/Franke/Baumann line-up was playing improvised music in those
days. The rhythm computer was also used to perfection and somehow sounds
much more advanced and 'clever' than on their subsequent live tours. A
killer concert which also features an excellent guitar improvisation by
Edgar Froese which is sooo much better than what he played on Nottingham
Albert Hall 1976 (Tangerine Tree Volume 1, 2nd track)
I have not much to say about Saarbrücken Universität...sometimes the
music has a spooky atmosphere which I find quite nice, but it lacks the
power of their better concerts. But it's just my opinion ;-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-------------------
Volume 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (2 CDR, 105 minutes,
remastered by Jabberwock/Side Effects/3N)
--another killer concert and with a sound quality that I think will
please everyone, it's close to that of a radio broadcast. For the 'tree'
version we used the audience master tape, and like Newcastle 81 there's
a lot of unreleased music which is begging for an official release from
TDI. I guess most sequencer fans will go ape when they hear this
concert, and the Paris audience really enjoyed this gig (listen to
'Choronzon' which has lots of hand clapping, shouting & humming)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
----------------
Volume 15 & 16: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 'The most beautiful rock for
peace' (Part 1 & 2, 3 CDR, 162 minutes, remastered by 3N)
it's needless to argue about the sound quality since it's from
soundboard, but I was told that there still was a lot of work to do to
make it sound as good as it does now. The soundboard recording stopped
after 'Diamonds and dust' (Volume 16, track 2), but thanks to Tadream
list member 'Jerry' we could use his DAT master tape for the last two
encores. Track 5 is an excerpt (some kind of 'best of') from the Press
Conference which was held prior to the show in a hotel in Warsaw. Most
of it is in German language. In a previous email I mentioned how I liked
this show, and yes I think that this was one of the best TD performances
since maybe a decade.
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This is what I could possibly say about the 2nd Tangerine Tree. It was
hard work for everyone involved, and I take the opportunity to say a big
THANK YOU to those people who were responsible for remastering the
shows, and to those who supplied the recordings, you know who you are.
Long live the dream :-)
Regards
Heiko
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDI updated
There is a way to set the web page to detect Flash or no Flash browser, such
that you would get a standard screen with info, that is if the person
creating such a site would be so kind to think about others who do not have
the latest eq. This is the same problem you have with Netscape, IE and
others, you want to use the latest fancy stuff, but will your viewers have
the eq do enjoy it? Like Frame or not to Frame?, that is the question.
At least you are not alone, there are others out there.
;-)
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jens Kilian'
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:32 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: TDI updated
> > Infos about the location and the event can be found here:
www.eifel-festspiele.de
>
> There is absolutely nothing at that site ... if you have a Flash-incapable
> browser. F*cking incompetents.
> --
> mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET
778-7698)
> http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351
> PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a
fish,
> 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible.
[Blake]
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
I am going to save this file for reference in the ftp area set aside for
such. I noted a few text files there already. One more isn't going to hurt.
This is good info.
FTP info
At this time, until I get the word of those in the higher command, it isn't
open yet.
When it does, the first FTP site is on a DSL line. I will be asking for IP
address to allow those in to download. Since it is DSL, I am keeping it to a
one at a time.
Late next month, I will have a t1/oc3 FTP set aside for such. The same rules
most likely will apply. Exception, more than one of course.
I am not going to make the address known to the list public like. Joe and
others will know the address as well as those who contact me direct. I wish
to keep the leaches down (hackers and other non-humans).
The 6 CD's (shn's) are loaded into the FTP area. As soon as I download some
conversion software, find some time to convert to Audio, I can listen to
them myself. So as of right now, I only seen a few post telling me these are
great.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:31 AM
Subject: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine
Tree
> Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to
> some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with
> some background information for those who are interested.
>
> Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 (2 CDRs, 123 minutes,
> remastered by '3N')
>
> --for the Tree version we combined two sources to produce the complete
> concert: source #1 is a CDR copy which was taken directly from the
> original BBC IPS mono master tape, source #2 was taken from the audience
> master tape recording which was recorded and kindly supplied to me by
> list member Chris Wojtecki. Those of you who have listened to the
> 'Coefficient of aural expansion' bootleg CD (or the 'Ruby in the sky' 2
> CDR version) know that the first set gets faded out after 61 minutes,
> and therefore misses the last 8-9 minutes of the track. For the 'tree'
> version both parts were merged together, and now we are able to hear the
> complete set as it was performed by Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke and
From:
'maggior'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
Heiko - thanks a bunch for the info - this is great background
information.
I am confused though - how can distribution start when the tree
structure hasn't been published yet? Are we just going to use the
tree structure from TT#1?
Thanks,
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs
to
> some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up
with
> some background information for those who are interested.
>
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:11
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] TT2 - downloading???
Hi,
Currently we will not have enough bandwidth available for massive downloads
until somewhere in September.
Are there any volunteers who have bunches of free bandwidth and are willing
to host the files?
Any ideas are welcome.
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2002 17:15
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] TT2 - downloading???
>
>
> Hi
>
> Just curious, when are the TT2 ready for
> download?????................hehe....can't wait....=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
> I am confused though - how can distribution start when the tree
> structure hasn't been published yet? Are we just going to use the
> tree structure from TT#1?
Hello Rich,
I guess it's high time for me to make a comment about the tree structure. I
remember that some time ago Joe announced on the Tadream list that he wanted
to make some changes to the structure of the tree (less branches and more
leaves to accelerate the distribution) I have to apologize to Joe for my bad
timing since I started the 2nd tree without his approval, but as long as he
isn't posting anything to the list I guess we can stick to the tree structure
from TT#1. I am aware that this has caused a bit of trouble but I am sure we
can get this sorted out. Remember that it will take a couple of weeks before
the people on Level 2 or 3 will receive their discs, and by the time this
moment has come I'm sure that Joe has already presented his master plan to
the list :-)
Heiko
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 - downloading???
> From: Herbert [mailto:gae@g...]
>
> Currently we will not have enough bandwidth available for
> massive downloads until somewhere in September. Are there any
> volunteers who have bunches of free bandwidth and are willing
> to host the files?
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
Well my DSL line has can now upload 128Kbps so in
theory it can do 16KBps. Not a T1 I know but I'm more then
happy to put it on my FTP server.
I agree with Dale that with a DSL, one or two uploads at one
time is the limit.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 Structure
>I am confused though - how can distribution start when the tree
>structure hasn't been published yet? Are we just going to use the
>tree structure from TT#1?
>
>Thanks,
>Rich Maggio
Ok, we are not using the Tangerine Tree #1 structure at all.
Joe Shoults has been busy with life, etc. but hopefully he finds time this
weekend to get the Tree #2 structure up. I will say without reservations
that the Tree #1 structure was a nightmare. It was very unbalanced and not
enough discs came to the US. For Tree #2, 5 sets of discs are coming to the
US and are all going to people who are best-suited to getting discs out to
leaves very quickly. I would hope that the 2nd level branches in the US are
seeded by mid-August. Maybe this is optimistic, but I don't think so.
Again, just because everyone asks to be a branch does not mean that they
will be one. We've got to go with people who can get discs out quickly, so
some amount of free time is needed. A month to turn around discs is simply
too long.
Also, Mark has posted his 'concise' guide to dealing with Audio CDs. At
80kb, I'd hate to see the long version!
I will be posting detailed instructions on copying and verifying CDs copied
in either SHN or red book (regular music CD) forms.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading
The Tangerine Tree 2 is being distributed as SHN files to retain the
perfect quality of the original CDs.
There are other sources for mp3 versions, if you are so inclined, but we
are NOT seeding the tree in this manner.
>Well my DSL line has can now upload 128Kbps so in
>theory it can do 16KBps. Not a T1 I know but I'm more then
>happy to put it on my FTP server.
>I agree with Dale that with a DSL, one or two uploads at one
>time is the limit.
>
>Marcel
The SHN files for Tangerine Tree 2 will be approximately 4 gigabytes.
On a 128kbps upload line, this would be 83 HOURS per person to download 1
complete set of the Tree in SHN.
On a 384kbps line, this would be 28 hours
Once I get a copy of the Tree from Dale, I may be able to open up my dual
T1 in the middle of the night to seed a couple of people, but ideally, I
think mail is the best.
-Morgan
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:06
pm
Subject: (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Bay.
Those incredible subtle tones,the sheer feeling of romance,Edgar
Froese, this is and always will be your finest solo hour,the
Untouchable Genius of the blonde bombshell?Who needs Jarre?
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
>
> On a 128kbps upload line, this would be 83 HOURS per person
> to download 1
> complete set of the Tree in SHN.
> On a 384kbps line, this would be 28 hours
28 hours is imo a good time. My computer is on almost day
and night so for me it's no problem.
I could even live with 83 hours, but that just me. :-)
But it's probably best to stick with mail as much as
possible.
Marcel
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Bay.
?
JMJ has his uses.
dale
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To:
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:06 AM
Subject: [tadream] (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Bay.
> Those incredible subtle tones,the sheer feeling of romance,Edgar
> Froese, this is and always will be your finest solo hour,the
> Untouchable Genius of the blonde bombshell?Who needs Jarre?
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Joe Satriani
This is just a heads up for those who may care that Joe Satriani and Dream
Theater with King's X is/are scheduled to play Aug 21 7:30pm at Ruth Eckerd
Hall in Clearwater, Florida. Tickets are $37.50 and $42.50 at 727-791-7400
or plus service charge via Ticketmaster 813-287-8844. I've heard him
mentioned here before as being a very good guitar player. Wish I could go,
but the prices are a bit beyond me. Especially if I want to save up for next
year's Ricochet Gathering. 8-Dell
All IMO of course.
NP: a piece of Croyden '75; can't wait til I get TTII!
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From:
Miguel Farah
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 - downloading???
Herbert [19/07/2002 12:23] dijo/said:
>Hi,
>
>Currently we will not have enough bandwidth available for massive downloads
>until somewhere in September.
>Are there any volunteers who have bunches of free bandwidth and are willing
>to host the files?
>
>Any ideas are welcome.
IIUC, there are 6 CDs. We could have six different persons to host each
group of files.
I can offer disk space and bandwidth for one album, on one condition: I
missed TT1, and I want those. :-)
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:35
am
Subject: Tree 2
Miguel,
Please e-mail me off-list.
feldon(at)feldoncentral.com
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 4:48
am
Subject: SBMs x old Virgins
Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked before, but please help me.
Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound
improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does it vary? Because I've
noticed that while trying to get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of
old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White Eagle and Hyperborea. They
were usually for a quite nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a
considerably higher price. So should I try to substitute them? What about the
others? Should I absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big difference
- and now I'm beginning to walk in circles?
anyway, thanks!
GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I just got (well, better than
my old CDR! and the price was very nice!)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
Hi Gustavo!
This is a recurring question...
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>
> Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked before, but please
> help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to get?
I would definitely get the SBM versions of 'Encore', 'Tangram', and
'Logos'. They have noticably better dynamics and 'Logos' doesn't have the
break in the middle. The SBM of 'Exit' has better dynamics also but is
reported to have some distortion (clipping?) -- from Gabor G. on 20 Feb
1997:
> Subject: Exit
>
> Now I had some time to carefully listen to Exit SBM version. It sounds
> fine, but far from the perfect. Peak level (which was around -6dB on
> the original CD) now set to 0 dB to use the whole dynamic range but I
> discovered two overload places (during Network 23) with my level meter.
> I think they didn't use any peak limiting or such mastering facility.
> It's a shame.
>
> An other rude mistake can be found during Network 23 also: at a point
> in the middle, a significant amount of high frequencies has gone out
> from the sound and return some minutes later. It must be a damage of
> the original analog master but with proper hard-disk editing techniques
> it could be corrected (I do similar techniques very often).
I have the SBM of 'Exit' and don't notice these defects. Avoid the US
version of the original 'Exit' (non-SBM) released on Electra/Asylum as it
was made using secondary masters and is very hissy -- no problem for you
for as I remember it, I sent you the SBM of 'Exit'.
I think that the SBM of 'Rubycon' is better also, but it's been so long
since I've heard the original CD that I can't be sure.
I hope this helps. Someone (me? -- perhaps) should do comprehensive
research on this SBM question and post a definitive [pun intended] list
of differences. Err... Actually, I guess I can't do it as I don't have
SBMs of either 'Phaedra' or 'Stratosfear'.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 11:46
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Subject: Searching
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Germany. CD also available on IC 710.087 called : Collection (Sampler) released
1989.
please contact me off-list if you have this item for trade or sale.
CDR version of this Vinyl is also okay.
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> Hi Gustavo!
>
> This is a recurring question...
>
> Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked before, but please
> > help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to get?
I seem to recall someone mentioning that the original CD of 'Thief' was
recorded from a rather bad copy of the master tape, and the SBM version is
much improved.
Maff
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
I've got both copies of the Thief and the SBM one is
much brighter and clearer. It actually took me a long
time to get used to the difference since I'd played
the non-SBM one for so many years and it's one of my
favorite CDs.
Oddly I contintue to play both since the difference is
so great. It's almost like the original was recorded
with mics while the SBM was taken off the board.
DanD
--- Matthew Sawyer
wrote:
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
>
>
> > Hi Gustavo!
> >
> > This is a recurring question...
> >
> > Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been
> asked before, but please
> > > help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to
> get?
>
>
> I seem to recall someone mentioning that the
> original CD of 'Thief' was
> recorded from a rather bad copy of the master tape,
> and the SBM version is
> much improved.
>
>
> Maff
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 12:55
am
Subject: Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro
Well people, the last few days I've been on a Kitaro trip. Today I've
been mostly listening and watching his 'Live In America' VHS on repeat,
definitely recommended, BTW.
Anyways, I just thought I'd pass on a little info that I thought was a
little interesting that I came across.
Kitaro's real name is Masanori Takahashi and he was born in 1953, [So he's
only seven years older than me! 8-\ 8-) I must be getting old! But I
still can do _it_ with the _best_ of them 8-)] and his stage name means
'man of joy and love'. The other day I had said that I had thought he was
'blessed with natural talent'. Well, this is what he has to said, that he
gives credit for his creations to a power beyond himself. 'This music is not
from my mind. It is from heaven, going through my body and out my fingers.
Sometimes I wonder, I never practice, I don't read or write music, but my
fingers move. I wonder, 'Whose song is this?' I write my songs, but they
are not my songs.' Interesting I thought ..... I guess Yanni isn't alone in
not being able to read or write music. 8-\ 8-)
Also people, some of you may want to note that I'm in the middle of changing
ISP's, so my email address will be changing to farellano@c... . At
the moment I have two for two different computers, but on my new email
address I still need to change the configurations so that it'll let me send
out my email. 8-\ I should have switched to high speed cable a _long_
time ago !! 8-\
Have a good one from 'Idahammer', i..t's alll goood 8-)
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 7:39
am
Subject: OT: HIA 'Colourform'
Would anyone who has this CD kindly contact me.
Thanks -- Mark
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From:
Max Rible
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HIA 'Colourform'
On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 00:39, Mark Filipak wrote:
> Would anyone who has this CD kindly contact me.
I've got 'Colourform' and 'Freefloater'.
--
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #278
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #278 July 28, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates
ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'Midnight Rainbows' on the Deep Sky label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Aqua' by Edgar Froese on the Brain label.
Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Edgar Froese Upland Aqua (Brain)
Bjorn Lynne Messages Colony (none)
Mark Jenkins Weaponised Strain 11966 Sequencer Loops (AMP)
Mark Jenkins Peace Machine Sequencer Loops (AMP)
Artemiy Artemiev and Part I Transfiguration (ElectroShock)
Peter Frohmader
Paul Ellis and Sands of Time Live at the Alladin (none)
Steve Roach
VA [Steve Roach] New Planet Passage * The Gatherings (Synkronos)
12:00 am
Robert Carty Near That Place Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Viscosity Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Goyaba Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Resonant Imaging Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Lodestone Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Windswept Vista Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Tending the Flame * Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Source' on the Deep Sky label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Heaven and Hell' by Vangelis on the
RCA label.
Bill
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Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
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From:
thomas b
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
Hi Gustavo and everyone else,
I generally like the Super Bit Mapping releases from
Virgin. There is one BIG exception though, and that is
Encore. On all the other CDs they remastered they have
done a well balanced job, but listen to the piano
intro of 'Monolight' and you realize someone screwed
up bigtime. On the original CD release, and even more
so on the vinyl, it sounds reasonably like a piano,
which I think was the intent. But on the SBM remaster,
it sounds like they put the microphone inside a pillow
(although there probably wasn't a microphone at all,
that's still what it sounds like). I think they
focused so much on taking the noise out that they
forgot about the actual music! Listen and compare, it
is SO obvious!
They didn't do the same mistake on the other CDs, and
they sound just fine. I personally prefer the old CDs,
as I think they sound more 'organic' and have more
grunt than the new ones, more musical. But if you like
clean and bright recordings, than the SBM remasters
are for you.
The best CD of 'Rubycon' out there is the Super Audio
CD though, but that's another chapter.
Thomas Bertilsson
St.Paul / MN
--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked
> before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs
> really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound
> improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does
> it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to
> get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of
> old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White
> Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite
> nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a
> considerably higher price. So should I try to
> substitute them? What about the others? Should I
> absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big
> difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in
> circles?
>
> anyway, thanks!
> GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I
> just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the
> price was very nice!)
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
Yet bet they are and you can get them very cheap on
E-Bay. That are about 95% better that the origional
releases on c.d.
Wade
--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked
> before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs
> really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound
> improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does
> it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to
> get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of
> old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White
> Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite
> nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a
> considerably higher price. So should I try to
> substitute them? What about the others? Should I
> absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big
> difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in
> circles?
>
> anyway, thanks!
> GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I
> just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the
> price was very nice!)
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:36
pm
Subject: Dutch Tyger + FNAC Rockoon
I have a strange search (as usual). I am looking for the following TD CDs:
Tyger - Holland Jive 100.097
Rockoon - France FNAC Music 662040 WM 334
I need the specific Dutch and French releases. Can anyone help?
Thanks in advance.
Vic
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 9:18
am
Subject: Infection Instruments
Forwarded:
InfectionMusic Newsletter Number 001/July 2002
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published on the 22nd day of each month. If you do not wish to receive this
information please send an e-mail to newsletter@i... with
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Orders for the Zeit sequencer continue to arrive and the waiting list is now
quite long. If you haven't heard of the Zeit sequencer before now then have
a
look at the InfectionMusic web pages (follow the Instruments link) where
there
are full functional specifications and CGI renderings of the proposed
instruments.
Zeit is a 4 track, 16 step analogue-style MIDI/CV sequencer and will be
available towards the end of September 2002. Other instruments, including
the
Phaedra sequencer, are currently being developed by InfectionMusic. More
details
are available on request.
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to
> some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with
> some background information for those who are interested.
>
[snip]
Hi,
I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
something like this already somewhere?
Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork
so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e.
in the correct dimensions for the CD covers.
just my 2 cents.
armin
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:15
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2
>Armin Theissen
>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
>something like this already somewhere?
The only concert that springs to mind is the 2001 Warsaw show, since it was
a unique one-off show.
The 1982 Croydon show, while dear to Heiko's and other's hearts, was for
all intents and purposes just another date on the October-November 1982
tour. The same can be said of Paris 81 (although it had the best piano solo
of that tour I've heard) and Newcastle 81.
Yet, Newcastle 81 was unique in that it was one of the very few concerts
(only?) where Johannes plays the guitar lead on a synth for a bit before
Edgar gets on stage with his guitar and takes over (to much applause).
The 1978 Hamburg show gains inclusion on the Tangerine Tree because,
musically, it's a step above the other 78 shows and because it's pretty
much the only 1978 show for which a Tangerine Tree-quality recording
exists. (Don't Walk, Dream Now is a fairly clear 78 recording).
Royal Albert Hall 75 is from the BBC mono master tape and was performed by
Edgar Frose, Chris Franke, and Michael Hoenig while Baumann was, erm,
unavailable.
I don't know of any special details about the Mannheim or Saarbrucken 1976
shows. Mannheim is a really awesome show, musically. Saarbrucken, however,
it seems like they really didn't have it together that night. Both are
included because the master audience tapes for both of these shows came
forward about a year ago but were only available on CDRs which had been
recorded with the gain (volume) at an astronomical setting. So even though
they were transferred from the pleasant-sounding master tapes, all of the
music turned out distorted and overdriven. Someone's idea of remastering
was to turn the volume up?!
Fortunately, the master tapes were obtained and another transfer was done
and Heiko's remastering galley slaves were put to work on them! :)
>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork
>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e.
>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers.
They are ready-to-print, provided you aren't printing out of something like
Internet Explorer or some tool that doesn't really know how to read a JPEG!
Each cover is the proper size, but at a higher resolution than your screen
(resulting in beautiful print-outs (300dpi).
ACDSee, Paint Shop Pro, and Adobe Photoshop are all capable JPEG
viewers/printers for Windows, ranging from free to $600.
GraphicConverter is an accomplished JPEG viewer/printer for Mac, and the
best part is, it's free.
You can free to e-mail me if you have further questions/issues with
printing covers.
CAUTION!!! There are some slight changes being made to the Tree 2 artwork,
specifically since Tree 11 is no longer a Birmingham Odeon 1986 tape but
now a Hamburg Audimax 1978 tape. If you have not yet printed it, wait a
couple of days. If you have printed it, stay tuned for a list of the
changes on each so you can decide which ones need to be printed.
-Morgan
P.S. If you thought 'Space and Spheres' or 'Dreamtime' were good recordings
of Newcastle 81, fasten your seatbelts. :) :)
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:27
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 (trying again)
I hit SEND too soon.
>Armin Theissen
>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
>something like this already somewhere?
The only concert that springs to mind is the 2001 Warsaw show, since it was
a unique one-off show.
The 1982 Croydon show, while dear to Heiko's and other's hearts, was for
all intents and purposes just another date on the October-November 1982
tour. The same can be said of Paris 81 (although it had the best piano solo
of that tour I've heard) and Newcastle 81.
Newcastle 81 was unique in that it was one of the very few (only?) concerts
where Johannes plays the guitar lead on a synth for a bit before Edgar gets
on stage with his guitar and takes over (to much applause). This is one of
the best, if not the best performance of Bondy Parade. What appeared on
Sohoman is not even in the same category of cool.
The 1978 Hamburg show gains inclusion on the Tangerine Tree because,
musically, it's more interesting than the other 78 shows and because it's
pretty much the only 1978 show for which a Tangerine Tree-quality recording
exists. ('Don't Walk, Dream Now' being the other one).
Royal Albert Hall 75 is from the BBC mono master tape and was performed by
Edgar Frose, Chris Franke, and Michael Hoenig while Peter Baumann was, erm,
unavailable.
I don't know of any special details about the Mannheim or Saarbrucken 1976
shows. Mannheim is an awesome show, musically. However for the Saarbrucken
gig, it seems like they really didn't have it together that night. Both are
included because the master audience tapes for both of these shows came
forward about a year ago but were only available on CDRs which had been
recorded with the gain (volume) at an astronomical setting. So even though
they were transferred from the pleasant-sounding master tapes, all of the
music turned out distorted and overdriven. Someone's idea of remastering
was to turn the volume up?!
Fortunately, the master tapes were obtained and another transfer was done
and Heiko's remastering galley slaves were put to work on them! :)
>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork
>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e.
>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers.
The covers have the correct ready-to-print sizes contained in them, but you
need a JPEG viewer/printer which can read and deal with this information.
Internet Explorer or any other web browser is not the answer. Download the
artwork to your hard drive and then open each item up in a decent JPEG
viewer/printer. I think you'll have better printing results then!
If you already have Adobe Photoshop, then you have a very capable JPEG program.
If not, may I suggest these free programs:
ACDSee (Windows)
http://www.acdsee.com/
Paint Shop Pro (Windows)
http://www.jasc.com/
GraphicConverter (Macintosh)
http://lemkesoft.com/gcdownload_us.html
You can feel free to e-mail me if you have further questions/issues with
printing covers.
CAUTION!!! There are some slight changes being made to the Tree 2 artwork,
specifically since Tree 11 is no longer a Birmingham Odeon 1986 tape but
now a Hamburg Audimax 1978 tape. If you have not yet printed it, wait a
couple of days. If you have printed it, stay tuned for a list of the
changes on each so you can decide which ones need to be printed.
-Morgan
P.S. If you thought 'Space and Spheres' or 'Dreamtime' were good recordings
of Newcastle 81, fasten your seatbelts. :) :)
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
Armin said:
>Hi,
>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
>something like this already somewhere?
Well, we have on the covers info about the origin of the recording,
remastering, line-up, and artwork. For me, that's enough; anything more than
this I would probably consider just 'curiosity'. However, I think it's a nice
idea to have a bit more detailed information on the TT page about each volume.
>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork
>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e.
>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers.
You certainly see them big because of the high resolution; one way I know how
to handle this is importing them into coreldraw. they should appear with the
right size, ready to print.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
sure there are tools to re-size them. I used the gimp.
But it would have been nicer to provide them in the
correct size.
armin
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Armin said:
>
>>Hi,
>>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
>>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
>>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
>>something like this already somewhere?
>>
>
> Well, we have on the covers info about the origin of the recording,
remastering, line-up, and artwork. For me, that's enough; anything more than
this I would probably consider just 'curiosity'. However, I think it's a nice
idea to have a bit more detailed information on the TT page about each volume.
>
>
>>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork
>>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e.
>>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers.
>>
>
> You certainly see them big because of the high resolution; one way I know how
to handle this is importing them into coreldraw. they should appear with the
right size, ready to print.
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Joe Satriani
yes, Satriani is cool. Couldn't go to his gig yesterday in
Dublin, though. Conrad, tell us about it!
TD link? They credit Satriani on TOTT ;-)
a.
Adele Outland wrote:
> This is just a heads up for those who may care that Joe Satriani and Dream
> Theater with King's X is/are scheduled to play Aug 21 7:30pm at Ruth Eckerd
> Hall in Clearwater, Florida. Tickets are $37.50 and $42.50 at 727-791-7400
> or plus service charge via Ticketmaster 813-287-8844. I've heard him
> mentioned here before as being a very good guitar player. Wish I could go,
> but the prices are a bit beyond me. Especially if I want to save up for next
> year's Ricochet Gathering. 8-Dell
>
> All IMO of course.
> NP: a piece of Croyden '75; can't wait til I get TTII!
>
>
> As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
well, I convert the artwork files into postscript, send them to
the printer (b/w first to check) and they are huge...
So I have to take the gimp and scale them. Or I would have to,
haven't done that yet.
a.
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>>Armin Theissen
>>
>
>>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
>>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
>>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
>>something like this already somewhere?
>>
>
> The only concert that springs to mind is the 2001 Warsaw show, since it was
> a unique one-off show.
>
> The 1982 Croydon show, while dear to Heiko's and other's hearts, was for
> all intents and purposes just another date on the October-November 1982
> tour. The same can be said of Paris 81 (although it had the best piano solo
> of that tour I've heard) and Newcastle 81.
>
> Yet, Newcastle 81 was unique in that it was one of the very few concerts
> (only?) where Johannes plays the guitar lead on a synth for a bit before
> Edgar gets on stage with his guitar and takes over (to much applause).
>
> The 1978 Hamburg show gains inclusion on the Tangerine Tree because,
> musically, it's a step above the other 78 shows and because it's pretty
> much the only 1978 show for which a Tangerine Tree-quality recording
> exists. (Don't Walk, Dream Now is a fairly clear 78 recording).
>
> Royal Albert Hall 75 is from the BBC mono master tape and was performed by
> Edgar Frose, Chris Franke, and Michael Hoenig while Baumann was, erm,
> unavailable.
>
> I don't know of any special details about the Mannheim or Saarbrucken 1976
> shows. Mannheim is a really awesome show, musically. Saarbrucken, however,
> it seems like they really didn't have it together that night. Both are
> included because the master audience tapes for both of these shows came
> forward about a year ago but were only available on CDRs which had been
> recorded with the gain (volume) at an astronomical setting. So even though
> they were transferred from the pleasant-sounding master tapes, all of the
> music turned out distorted and overdriven. Someone's idea of remastering
> was to turn the volume up?!
>
> Fortunately, the master tapes were obtained and another transfer was done
> and Heiko's remastering galley slaves were put to work on them! :)
>
>
>>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork
>>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e.
>>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers.
>>
>
> They are ready-to-print, provided you aren't printing out of something like
> Internet Explorer or some tool that doesn't really know how to read a JPEG!
> Each cover is the proper size, but at a higher resolution than your screen
> (resulting in beautiful print-outs (300dpi).
>
> ACDSee, Paint Shop Pro, and Adobe Photoshop are all capable JPEG
> viewers/printers for Windows, ranging from free to $600.
>
> GraphicConverter is an accomplished JPEG viewer/printer for Mac, and the
> best part is, it's free.
>
> You can free to e-mail me if you have further questions/issues with
> printing covers.
>
>
> CAUTION!!! There are some slight changes being made to the Tree 2 artwork,
> specifically since Tree 11 is no longer a Birmingham Odeon 1986 tape but
> now a Hamburg Audimax 1978 tape. If you have not yet printed it, wait a
> couple of days. If you have printed it, stay tuned for a list of the
> changes on each so you can decide which ones need to be printed.
>
> -Morgan
>
> P.S. If you thought 'Space and Spheres' or 'Dreamtime' were good recordings
> of Newcastle 81, fasten your seatbelts. :) :)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
>sure there are tools to re-size them. I used the gimp.
>But it would have been nicer to provide them in the
>correct size.
>armin
yeah but my point was, they _are_ in the correct size; the thing is the
resolution, so sometimes, um, the software won't open the right size because of
the high resolution; i'm sure if you open with one of the tools Morgan
recommended or, like I said, import on coreldraw, they should open, well, as
they should, and you wouldn't need to resize, just print.
GJ np. Sequensea part 7, The Selfplaying Harpsichord (just a little
one-hour-long album in 10 parts I took 7 months to compose and assemble on XM
module format and finished about one and a half years ago ;D
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2
Anyone who is printing Tangerine Tree 2 artwork from the files put out
before today, stop!!
It looks like virtually all the artwork has at least minor changes in the
final versions coming out today.
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
let me see ... the cats with the fiddle? or is the cat fiddling while Rome
burns... I forget how that goes...wait... the cat is fiddling with TT2?
;-)
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
> Anyone who is printing Tangerine Tree 2 artwork from the files put out
> before today, stop!!
>
> It looks like virtually all the artwork has at least minor changes in the
> final versions coming out today.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'convention24'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: TD live Croyden England 1982.
I had never heard this concert until i recieved the discs today,what
an absolute beauty,Classic phenomenal concert,an absolute pleasure.
many thanks again to the Great Mr Heerssen,im sure im going to enjoy
this batch as much as the first.
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for downloading
and printing from here:
www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
Click the TT2 logo to enter.
If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple of months ago,
please trash them. There was a mis-communication between myself and Heiko
regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that time most of the
details for each cover have changed.
Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each graphic will pop
open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on them and save them
to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum
quality, and although they look very large they will print at the correct
size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in
landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label applicator, you
can load the labels into the template program that comes with the label
presser.
For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the covers anyway,
keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up some copies at
a lower resolution.
I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a
preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and
www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete
instructions for building a box from scratch.
Maff
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
Perfect
You spent a lot of time doing this. I for one thank you.
dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
> The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for downloading
> and printing from here:
>
> www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
>
> Click the TT2 logo to enter.
>
> If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple of months
ago,
> please trash them. There was a mis-communication between myself and Heiko
> regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that time most of
the
> details for each cover have changed.
>
> Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each graphic will pop
> open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on them and save
them
> to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum
> quality, and although they look very large they will print at the correct
> size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in
> landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label applicator,
you
> can load the labels into the template program that comes with the label
> presser.
>
> For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the covers anyway,
> keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up some copies
at
> a lower resolution.
>
> I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a
> preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and
> www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete
> instructions for building a box from scratch.
>
>
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
> www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
> www.mst3uk.com
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
Hi
Waaaauuuww......cool page, cool covers.......Thanks.............=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:45 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
> The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for downloading
> and printing from here:
>
> www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
>
> Click the TT2 logo to enter.
>
> If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple of months ago,
> please trash them. There was a mis-communication between myself and Heiko
> regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that time most of the
> details for each cover have changed.
>
> Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each graphic will pop
> open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on them and save them
> to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum
> quality, and although they look very large they will print at the correct
> size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in
> landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label applicator, you
> can load the labels into the template program that comes with the label
> presser.
>
> For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the covers anyway,
> keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up some copies at
> a lower resolution.
>
> I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a
> preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and
> www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete
> instructions for building a box from scratch.
>
>
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
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> www.mst3uk.com
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
Good job, thank you very much!!
BTW: the link to the vol14label2.jpg points to the vol13label2.jpg. Could
you correct the mistake?
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@b...]
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:45 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
>
>
> The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for
> downloading
> and printing from here:
>
> www.mst3uk.com/tdtree
>
> Click the TT2 logo to enter.
>
> If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple
> of months ago,
> please trash them. There was a mis-communication between
> myself and Heiko
> regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that
> time most of the
> details for each cover have changed.
>
> Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each
> graphic will pop
> open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on
> them and save them
> to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum
> quality, and although they look very large they will print at
> the correct
> size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in
> landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label
> applicator, you
> can load the labels into the template program that comes with
> the label
> presser.
>
> For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the
> covers anyway,
> keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up
> some copies at
> a lower resolution.
>
> I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a
> preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and
> www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete
> instructions for building a box from scratch.
>
>
>
>
> Maff
> _______________________________________________
> www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
> www.mst3uk.com
>
>
>
>
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> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download
From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
> BTW: the link to the vol14label2.jpg points to the vol13label2.jpg. Could
> you correct the mistake?
Well spotted. It's fixed.
Maff
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
Hi Armin!
Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
> info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
> web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
> something like this already somewhere?
Have you forgotten about John and Mark's excellent Zebbyworld?
http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:32
pm
Subject: (OT music): Par Gushel
Hello folks,
about one year ago my Jarre list colleague from Portugal, Helder Correia and I
had an idea of creating a piece of music together; we kept sending music bits
to each other, discussing, improving, but we had lot of things to do and were
always very busy, so only the day before yesterday we finally finished. It's
called Música Sem Nome (Nameless Music), and we called the duo Par Gushel. Well
looks like an exotic name for the duo but it's quite simple. We're a pair (pair
in portuguese is par), and we're GUStavo and HELder. So there you go. The music
was made in XM format and my synth, a roland xp30. I hope you enjoy it! (we
love it! :)
It's available for download as an Ogg Vorbis file at
http://pargushel.webhop.net/ ; it's 6'01' long.
We'd appreciate any feedback very much, of course! :)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:08
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 Artwork
Thanks to Maff, Gustavo, and Marko who have produced now two sets of
Tangerine Tree artwork.
In order to take some of the burden off Maff's web server, I am once again
hosting a duplicate copy of the Tangerine Tree artwork for download on my
website.
The only difference you'll find is that each Volume of the Tangerine Tree,
including cover, tray, and label(s) is packaged in a ZIP file.
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/
Regards,
Morgan
P.S. Maybe I'll even do some artwork for Tree 3, if there's room. :)
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:54
am
Subject: OT: Ripping Music from PS Games
Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games?
- jim
__________________________________________________
Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
moxica@m...
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games
In a message dated 7/22/02 8:56:23 PM, moxica@m... writes:
>Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games?
Step one might be to check if the game has a soundtrack CD available that you
can buy to save yourself the trouble. ;)
Some places to look, other than the usual CD stores, are www.gamemusic.com
and www.cdjapan.co.jp (the latter only for Japanese games, of course). I've
done business with both, and they both did a good job.
--Daniel
NP: Great Wall of China
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games
Hi Jim!
Jim Moore wrote:
>
> Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games?
I see stuff on this all the time but haven't saved any of it. I do know
that the audio is stored in a standard format (one of the various mixed
audio/data formats) but I can't remember which (er... one of the
'transition' formats I think).
Anyway, Google on 'rip' +'Playstation' or some such advanced search
string and I'm sure you'll get lots of hits.
Good luck. I'll send you more info if I find it. -- Mark
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games
Depends on what you mean by pulling?
Here is what I do when I want to record the sound track or sound effect on
my PSII. Pretty sure you can adapt the PSI to do the same. I set up my
sampler to take optical in from the PSII. I use to take the audio out, into
a computer or tape deck. Seems the PS1 should have audio out for you to
capture audio out.
Second method is some disk have the wave files in a folder. You can use a
DVD player or CD ROM burner to read the disk.
Third, I have read in certain gray areas on the net that there exists
software that reads these disks to allow one to make copies as well as rip
audio out. Even to the point of allowing you to add your own sound track...
I know nada more than this.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jim Moore'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:54 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games
> Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games?
>
> - jim
>
> __________________________________________________
> Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> moxica@m...
>
>
>
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>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:11
am
Subject: OT: Pulling music from DVD's
I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to record
some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD
Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you record
60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the
record time in this app or is there some other way to do this?
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
$$.....Damn!!!!!
'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
Feldman
Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Pulling music from DVD's
No problem Pete.
PENFOLD wrote:
>
> I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to
> record some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD
You need a DVD player codec and controller (that has the normal DVD
buttons). These usually come with the DVD soft player you got with the
DVD drive. Plus, you will need the normal codecs that come with Windows.
Then you need to hook them together. This is just like patching together
physical equipment.
What I use is GraphEdit. It is a freeware graphical audio-video plugboard
that you can use to rip or burn audio and/or video. It's cooler than
hell. It enables you to rip audio, video, embedded text for the deaf,
etc. I've tried other rippers and found them confusing and difficult.
This works slick once you've built the plugboard (they call them graphs).
I've built plugboards to rip audio only and audio+video.
Google for GraphEdit to find the download or write back to me and I'll
send you the application as a zip.
Ciao -- Mark
>
> Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you
record
> 60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the
> record time in this app or is there some other way to do this?
>
> Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
> mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
> http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
> Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
> 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
> $$.....Damn!!!!!
> 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
> Feldman
>
> Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Pulling music from DVD's
You mean you are the only one who uses google on the face of the Earth,
Mark?
;-)
Other than that, sounds like you got a winner solution... go forth and
rip...
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Pulling music from DVD's
> No problem Pete.
>
> Google for GraphEdit to find the download or write back to me and I'll
> send you the application as a zip.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:05
am
Subject: Keep
I still say someone should buy the rights to the script and redo.
dale
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:42
am
Subject: Music from a DVD
>Penfold said:
>
>I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to record
>some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD
>
>Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you record
>60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the
>record time in this app or is there some other way to do this?
CoolEdit
http://www.syntrillium.com/download/
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep
Hi Dale!
Admin wrote:
>
> I still say someone should buy the rights to the script and redo.
I recently got interested in this while plowing through old emails from
96 onwards. Apparently there are 9 different versions of this movie. Four
versions are known: the laser disc version, the VHS version, the cable
version, and the broadcast version. What the theatrical version was is
anybody's guess. Each has differring scenes and endings (and somewhat
differring music).
I read some reviews. No one is lukewarm about this movie. You either love
it or hate it. I've never seen it in any version.
Well Tadreamers. Do you love it or hate it?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Music from a DVD
CoolEdit works great Pete. I prefer it over SoundForge for ease and quick
edits.
SoundForge has it use too, more like extreme use.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:42 PM
Subject: [tadream] Music from a DVD
>
> >Penfold said:
> >
> >I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to record
> >some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD
> >
> >Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you
record
> >60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the
> >record time in this app or is there some other way to do this?
>
> CoolEdit
> http://www.syntrillium.com/download/
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
I agree entirely with your comments about 'Encore'. I also feel that the SBM
version suffers from quite severe level changes that further detract from
one's enjoyment. It's as if the noise reduction encoding and decoding
weren't matched correctly during the remastering process. (Shades of Dolby
'B' and 'C' NR with cassettes). I've long thought it was a pity that Edgar
didn't ultimately decide on a studio recording for that album as I
particularly love 'Cherokee Lane' and 'Monolight'.
I also agree with your remarks about 'Rubycon'. I've recently had my SACD
player upgraded with stunning results and I believe that the SACD of
'Rubycon' is in a class of its own, with remarkable clarity and depth and
subtleties simply not noticeable on any of the standard CD versions. It's
actually made me appreciate all over again just how wonderful the album is.
Hopefully, all the others will eventually follow -- and maybe Relativity (or
its equivalent) will get on board too with the very early albums like
'Electronic Meditation', 'Alpha Centauri' and 'Atem'?
I recently bought a second-hand (excellent condition, though) Dutch-pressed
DISKY CD locally, simply entitled 'Tangerine Dream' that contains the
best-sounding 'Phaedra' album I've yet heard. The sound is remarkably
'fresh'. The disc also contains Part One of 'Rubycon' and 'Stratosfear'
(just the work, of course, not the album) so it's better value than usual.
I'm still going to keep my other versions, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'thomas b'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
> Hi Gustavo and everyone else,
>
> I generally like the Super Bit Mapping releases from
> Virgin. There is one BIG exception though, and that is
> Encore. On all the other CDs they remastered they have
> done a well balanced job, but listen to the piano
> intro of 'Monolight' and you realize someone screwed
> up bigtime. On the original CD release, and even more
> so on the vinyl, it sounds reasonably like a piano,
> which I think was the intent. But on the SBM remaster,
> it sounds like they put the microphone inside a pillow
> (although there probably wasn't a microphone at all,
> that's still what it sounds like). I think they
> focused so much on taking the noise out that they
> forgot about the actual music! Listen and compare, it
> is SO obvious!
> They didn't do the same mistake on the other CDs, and
> they sound just fine. I personally prefer the old CDs,
> as I think they sound more 'organic' and have more
> grunt than the new ones, more musical. But if you like
> clean and bright recordings, than the SBM remasters
> are for you.
> The best CD of 'Rubycon' out there is the Super Audio
> CD though, but that's another chapter.
>
> Thomas Bertilsson
> St.Paul / MN
>
>
> --- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked
> > before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs
> > really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound
> > improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does
> > it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to
> > get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of
> > old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White
> > Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite
> > nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a
> > considerably higher price. So should I try to
> > substitute them? What about the others? Should I
> > absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big
> > difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in
> > circles?
> >
> > anyway, thanks!
> > GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I
> > just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the
> > price was very nice!)
> >
> > Gustavo Jobim
> > gustavojobim@n...
>
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>
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>
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>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 6:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Artwork
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> In order to take some of the burden off Maff's web server, I am once again
> hosting a duplicate copy of the Tangerine Tree artwork for download on my
> website.
>
Thanks for the webspace Morgan. My server can be a litlte erratic in the
evenings, so for anyone having problems please check out Morgans mirror
site.
> P.S. Maybe I'll even do some artwork for Tree 3, if there's room. :)
I'd love to see what you come up with mate!
Maff
_______________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 8:50
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the artwork project.
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:43
am
Subject: Klaus Schulze
Hello All,
I have just received the concert for Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching
from 5.19.01 Live from the Fritz, Berlin.
The artwork I was given have the right month and day, but the wrong year.
Can someone clear this up for me? I could probably figure it out myself, but
I have worked 16 hours today and my mind has gone on strike for the rest of
the night.
Thanks
Neal
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From:
'zathrus13'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:57
am
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze
My CDR says 5/19/01......
---Jeff
--- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have just received the concert for Klaus Schulze and Manuel
Gottsching
> from 5.19.01 Live from the Fritz, Berlin.
>
> The artwork I was given have the right month and day, but the wrong
year.
>
> Can someone clear this up for me? I could probably figure it out
myself, but
> I have worked 16 hours today and my mind has gone on strike for the
rest of
> the night.
>
> Thanks
> Neal
From:
'heineu'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze
Hello Neal,
they played 1997 in Berlin - Babelsberg at Studio A - 'Radio Fritz'.
Line up:
Klaus Schulze
Manuel Göttsching (on two tracks)
Jörg Schaaf
and
R. Oostwood (singer)
If you need more information about this, contact me off_list.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
--- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have just received the concert for Klaus Schulze and Manuel
Gottsching
> from 5.19.01 Live from the Fritz, Berlin.
>
> The artwork I was given have the right month and day, but the wrong
year.
>
> Can someone clear this up for me? I could probably figure it out
myself, but
> I have worked 16 hours today and my mind has gone on strike for the
rest of
> the night.
>
> Thanks
> Neal
From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 6:00
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Joe Satriani
Hi gang,
Just back from Dublin! WOW!!! The Satriani gig was way COOL!!!! ;-)
He played for 2 and a half hours. Met him afterwards!
Cool night!!! Highlight for me was when he sat and played the Headless
Horseman and Midnight... amazing! I was about 10 feet from him too!
Back to TD chat now!!!
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...]
Sent: 22 July 2002 17:22
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Joe Satriani
yes, Satriani is cool. Couldn't go to his gig yesterday in
Dublin, though. Conrad, tell us about it!
TD link? They credit Satriani on TOTT ;-)
a.
Adele Outland wrote:
> This is just a heads up for those who may care that Joe Satriani and Dream
> Theater with King's X is/are scheduled to play Aug 21 7:30pm at Ruth
Eckerd
> Hall in Clearwater, Florida. Tickets are $37.50 and $42.50 at 727-791-7400
> or plus service charge via Ticketmaster 813-287-8844. I've heard him
> mentioned here before as being a very good guitar player. Wish I could go,
> but the prices are a bit beyond me. Especially if I want to save up for
next
> year's Ricochet Gathering. 8-Dell
>
> All IMO of course.
> NP: a piece of Croyden '75; can't wait til I get TTII!
>
>
> As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>
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>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep
I remember seeing a broadcast version long ago, tail end and only once then
never more. I recently got the VHS version which jogged my memory or the
other version. I think you are right, you either love it or hate. I like it
and think it has potential. Now the purist would say, leave it. I think if I
had the chance, I alter it a tad too. Refine the score, bring out the music,
alter the scenes to fit the mood and highlight the music. Evil as I am.
I started putting this bug into the ears of certain film students I know
already. They are passing this onto the instructors. I even mentioned this
to other directors already. Most are too buy so far to even think about
researching another project let alone another project... But I am poking at
it...
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep
> Hi Dale!
>
> Admin wrote:
> >
> > I still say someone should buy the rights to the script and redo.
>
> I read some reviews. No one is lukewarm about this movie. You either love
> it or hate it. I've never seen it in any version.
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:39
pm
Subject: Very OT: Infected
Glenn,
Hooraaaaaaaay! Thanks for posting this... the Zeit and Phaedra really made my
day, nah year!!! Very cool indeed. I'm definitely signing up for one!!!
I've done a heck of a lot of research into hardware sequencers with midi over
the past few months and for an analog style sequencer with a decent midi
implementation, and multiple tracks, the Zeit by far looks like the best one
yet.
I think it will definitely compete well against the Doepfer Regelwerk and
Schaltwerk, and looks like it addresses some of their shortcomings.
The Frostwave Fat Controller looked pretty good but is limited in comparison.
Someone on this list suggested the sequencer modules on the Nord modular, which
are certainly good sequencers (obviously as demonstrated by Air Sculpture and
others), but not nearly the same beast.
The Zeit looks brilliant as a dedicated, hands-on stand-alone unit and is
definitely something to look forward to!
Thanks.
<<>>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep
I've always had a soft spot for The Keep, and for years in the UK, it was a
film which was not easy to get hold of. The VHS was deleted in the mid to
late 80s, and it wasn't shown on TV for the best part of 10 years. It almost
had the status of a 'lost' movie, until it was shown on BBC2 about 5 years
ago in partial widescreen. It was like watching the holy grail of movies!
It's been shown on FilmFour on digital satellite TV for the past year or two
in full widescreen, though I've no idea which version was shown. I've always
been a huge admirer of Michael Mann's movies (which just seem to get better
and better the more he makes), and while The Keep certainly has its faults
in terms of pacing and plotting, it has enough striking visual qualities and
fine use of scene-enhancing music to keep me more than interested. Mann is a
consumate visual stylist, and in lesser hands The Keep would have been
another obscure horror movie that no one remembers very much. But the reason
it still gets mentioned and viewed so much today is solely because of its
cult status, which it has earned thanks to two things: Michael Mann's skill
and artistry as a filmmaker, and TD's now-legendary score. Love it or hate
it, it's one movie that even 20 years after it was made, we are still
talking about.
- Chris
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Very OT: Infected
Glad you found it interesting.
But, it can hardly be OT when the item is named after a TD album. Heck, they
have TWO sequencers named after TD albums :-)
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: [tadream] Very OT: Infected
> Glenn,
>
> Hooraaaaaaaay! Thanks for posting this... the Zeit and Phaedra really made
my day, nah year!!! Very cool indeed. I'm definitely signing up for one!!!
From:
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: Vinyl searching
hello,
I am searching following vinyl:
+ Terranova - Tokyo Tower / 12' Vinyl / All Good Vinyl AGV 015 / Germany 1997
+ Sueno Latino - sueno Latino / 12' vinyl / Echo Chamber V-15538 / USA
+ SF - Ordal / Vinyl LP / Ordal SF-1 / Germany 1985 / Independant Label
+ Mickie D`s Unicorn / IC KS 58.064 / Vinyl 1979 or CD: Nnavigator NAV 8904-2 /
Germany 1993
if you have this for trade or sale, please contact me off_list.
regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
heiko@o...
http://www.opticaldream.de
http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree
yes... must have. Thanks for the pointer
armin
Mark Filipak wrote:
> Hi Armin!
>
> Armin Theissen wrote:
>
>>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background
>>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the
>>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have
>>something like this already somewhere?
>>
>
> Have you forgotten about John and Mark's excellent Zebbyworld?
>
> http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
Hi,
is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers
together?
armin
colin anderson wrote:
> Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the artwork project.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
From: 'Armin Theissen'
> is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers
> together?
The closest thing is zip files of each cover set (8 zip files in total) at
Morgans mirror location:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/
Maff
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
yes, what I meant is *all volumes* together in one single zip
file, not each volume (which consists of several files for
front, back etc) separately.
I admit, that would be a large file, but I may not be
the only one who can download this quickly from work (with
high bandwidth) on the click of one button only.
armin
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
> From: 'Armin Theissen'
>
>>is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers
>>together?
>>
>
>
> The closest thing is zip files of each cover set (8 zip files in total) at
> Morgans mirror location:
>
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/
>
>
> Maff
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
>
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From:
Groove Unlimited
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:06
pm
Subject: E-Live 2002
Line-up:
Neuronium with Pascal Languirand (ES)
Frank Van Bogaert (BE)
Amir Baghiri (DE)
Boots, Aerts, H. vd Heijden, E. vd Heijden (NL)
E-Live 2002 wil take place on September 21st!
Location is the TU in Eindhoven and there's room for 420 people.
Tickets cost € 25 in pre-sales and € 30 at the box-office.
Pre-sales have started.
All info: http://www.groove.nl/elive.html
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:03
pm
Subject: OT: Zeit Sequencer
Yes, a good point. The Zeit and the Phaedra, and they say that the demo song is
inspired by Tangerine Dream, as well as referring to Tangerine Dream in their
description of what the sequencer does.
Still... I wanted to warn those who are into the music and not the gear. :-)
So, yeah... I downloaded the spec paper and read it through. Sounds like a very
nice feature list indeed in terms of looping modes available, etc. The only
thing is that the unit sounds like it will be HUGE sizewise!
...and all those pretty leds!
Time to start up that paper route again...
<<
Subject: Re: Very OT: Infected
Glad you found it interesting.
But, it can hardly be OT when the item is named after a TD album. Heck, they
have TWO sequencers named after TD albums :-)>>>
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Wed
7/24/2002
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer
where can I get info on these sequencers ?
thanks
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:03 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer
> Yes, a good point. The Zeit and the Phaedra, and they say that the demo
song is inspired by Tangerine Dream, as well as referring to Tangerine Dream
in their description of what the sequencer does.
>
> Still... I wanted to warn those who are into the music and not the gear.
:-)
>
> So, yeah... I downloaded the spec paper and read it through. Sounds like a
very nice feature list indeed in terms of looping modes available, etc. The
only thing is that the unit sounds like it will be HUGE sizewise!
>
> ...and all those pretty leds!
>
> Time to start up that paper route again...
>
>
>
> << Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:12:00 +0200
> From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
> Subject: Re: Very OT: Infected
>
> Glad you found it interesting.
>
> But, it can hardly be OT when the item is named after a TD album. Heck,
they
> have TWO sequencers named after TD albums :-)>>>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #277
Thanks, Jonathan. WDIY is working on streaming but WMUH already has it. Try my
Thursday 8am-10am weekly show (no EM content) or my Saturday 6am-8am biweekly
show (some EM content) on WMUH.
Cheers,
Bill
===============================================================================
Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
> Sounds like a great show... I WANT TO HEAR IT!!!
> Get streaming and get it now! :-)
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer
Try infectionmusic.com or was it .org?
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Lawler'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer
> where can I get info on these sequencers ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:46
pm
Subject: Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instrumentsFAQ.html
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers
thanks for that , think i may get one !
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html
>
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instrumentsFAQ.html
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
Hi guys,
I've zipped all the covers into the one *.zip file. It's about 10.5 MB
large. You can download it using this link:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/tdtree2/tt2covers.zip (server located in Jersey
City, USA, transfer rate not less than 512kbps). I will leave the file there
for some time...
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jerry@t...
Visit my website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers
> together?
>
> armin
>
> colin anderson wrote:
>
> > Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the
> artwork project.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
> SUN Microsystems Ireland
>
> 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
> - Woody Allen
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:03
pm
Subject: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
any idea when the boot in the subject header was 'released'/'started
appearing'?
--T
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
Yeah. Cool stuff indeed.
Worth a nothing without the music.
I am missing the actual tangerine tree #2 branch assignments.
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:jerry@t...]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2002 21:59
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I've zipped all the covers into the one *.zip file. It's about 10.5 MB
> large. You can download it using this link:
> http://www.tangerinedream.pl/tdtree2/tt2covers.zip (server
> located in Jersey
> City, USA, transfer rate not less than 512kbps). I will leave
> the file there
> for some time...
>
> cheers
>
> Jarek 'Jerry'
> mailto:jerry@t...
> Visit my website at:
> http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
>
>
>
> > is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers
> > together?
> >
> > armin
> >
> > colin anderson wrote:
> >
> > > Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the
> > artwork project.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
> > SUN Microsystems Ireland
> >
> > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
> > - Woody Allen
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:16
pm
Subject: TT2 and Photoshop 5
If anyone has downloaded the TT tray inserts in Photoshop 5 and printed them
successfully, please contact me off list to offer some advice.
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
http://home.t-online.de/home/320068467926-0003/sonambul.htm
As with almost all bootlegs, be aware that it's not the best available
recording of this show. There is a better recording from a different place
in the audience without people talking all the time. It has only recently
surfaced so stay tuned.
I guess now is as good a time as any to unveil the updated version of my
UnheardTD website. It is still under heavy construction.
The goal is to accomplish something I have not yet seen accomplished
before. I have seen great lists of concert venues and dates. I have seen
great bootleg information sites with cover art, etc. I have not seen a
public ranking of every named bootleg or fantape. There is still a lot of
information to add, but I think this website has some usefulness (even if
it may cause heartburn for diehard collectors) . If you don't see a blue
crystal, then there's a better recording of this show in the pipeline. It
might be 2 years but it's coming. :)
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
I have tried to confirm all of the information on this page, especially the
blue, light blue, and clear crystals. As I get more information, it will be
filled in.
-Morgan
At 01:03 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>any idea when Sonambulistic Imagery was 'released'/'started
>appearing'?
>
>--T
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
>As with almost all bootlegs, be aware that it's not the best available
recording of this show. There is a better recording from a different place
in the audience without people talking all the time. It has only recently
surfaced so stay tuned.<
hmm, this seems to confirm what I thought true about a tape that I've had
for a long time--sounds closer to the piano/stage--sonambulistic imagery
still sounds like a VHS recording to me. Wonder if there's video.....
--T
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers
In a message dated 7/24/02 9:49:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
feldon@f... writes:
<< http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html >>
*Wow. Very impressive David. They look gorgeous.
Keep us posted on that one. If they do what you say I'll buy one.
Poly
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
tei waz wrote:
>
> any idea when the boot in the subject header was 'released'/'started
> appearing'?
Here you go, Thomas (from my Chronology):
'Sonambulistic Imagery'
[1993] Blue Moon (TW?) BM-5/BM-6 (boot, KB sound: 9, brittle highs,
nice insert booklet)
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'tangram80'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:23
am
Subject: German Auction
Hello everyone
I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
Rgds
Jeffrey
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] German Auction
Hi Jeffrey!
tangram80 wrote:
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^)
35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there.
-- Mark
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] German Auction
> Hello everyone
>
> I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
>
> Rgds
> Jeffrey
Starting bid is 35.000 Euro..guess I'll have to check my Paypal account and
then make a decision ~lol~
somehow I find this offer very strange. But in case it's not a fake then it
seems that KS wants to do something new :-)
Heiko
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'tangram80'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:19
am
Subject: Re: German Auction
Mark & Heiko
It seems that the price of 35,000 Euro does not include the plant in
the room...
Anyway, more photos are from the official KS site:
http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studiot.htm
So you can see its the same studio on offer.
So if you can afford the price you can play like this:
http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studio6.htm
Make up your mind Heiko ;-)
Jeffrey
-- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> Hi Jeffrey!
>
> tangram80 wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
>
> Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^)
>
> 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there.
>
> -- Mark
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:49
am
Subject: Re: German Auction
hello Guys,
seller are the members of Solar Moon System. Klaus Schulze played on
and mixed the last SMS Album: Logbook 94_00 .
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
BTW: Klaus needs Money????
--- In tadream@y..., 'tangram80' wrote:
> Mark & Heiko
>
> It seems that the price of 35,000 Euro does not include the plant
in
> the room...
>
> Anyway, more photos are from the official KS site:
> http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studiot.htm
>
> So you can see its the same studio on offer.
>
> So if you can afford the price you can play like this:
> http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studio6.htm
>
> Make up your mind Heiko ;-)
>
> Jeffrey
>
> -- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> > Hi Jeffrey!
> >
> > tangram80 wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello everyone
> > >
> > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
> > >
> > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
> >
> > Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^)
> >
> > 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there.
> >
> > -- Mark
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: German Auction
maybe Klause is selling all of his studio so he can become one of those
'Bedroom Musicians' which he loves so much ! Either that or he cant afford
his tax bill ;)
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'heineu'
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:49 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: German Auction
>
> hello Guys,
>
> seller are the members of Solar Moon System. Klaus Schulze played on
> and mixed the last SMS Album: Logbook 94_00 .
>
> Regards
> heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
> BTW: Klaus needs Money????
>
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'tangram80' wrote:
> > Mark & Heiko
> >
> > It seems that the price of 35,000 Euro does not include the plant
> in
> > the room...
> >
> > Anyway, more photos are from the official KS site:
> > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studiot.htm
> >
> > So you can see its the same studio on offer.
> >
> > So if you can afford the price you can play like this:
> > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studio6.htm
> >
> > Make up your mind Heiko ;-)
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> > -- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote:
> > > Hi Jeffrey!
> > >
> > > tangram80 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone
> > > >
> > > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
> > > >
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
> > >
> > > Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^)
> > >
> > > 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there.
> > >
> > > -- Mark
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:56
pm
Subject: off topic- New e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer.'
Hey gang there is a new e-mail address for 'Sound
Explorer' and it is as follows:
soundexplorer@a...
This makes things simpler. Also, this week there is a
replay of Vic Rek's Tangerine Dream homage. In two
weeks I will explore the evolution of Chris Frank's
alien seagul sound. Let me know your thoughts on the
matter.
Wade
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 3:12
pm
Subject: Alien Seagull, again (was: [tadream] off topic- New e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer.')
Wade Gordon wrote:
>
> ... In two
> weeks I will explore the evolution of Chris Frank's
> alien seagul sound. Let me know your thoughts on the
> matter.
Well, it didn't really evolve. It appeared sometime in 1975 fully
fledged, so to speak.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 3:56
pm
Subject: OT: Zeit and Phaedra
www.infectionmusic.co.uk
Definitely worth checking out. I would also download the word (or html) spec
document...
<<>>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:02
pm
Subject: OT: Zeit and Phaedra sequencers
I signed up for the mailing list. They may have frozen the feature list by now,
but it sounds like they were very open to people's suggestions.
<<>
*Wow. Very impressive David. They look gorgeous.
Keep us posted on that one. If they do what you say I'll buy one.
Poly>>>
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Zeit and Phaedra
It does look very interesting and has a lot of options.
One question though: does it have a skip function?
Does the step active switch means it plays a note/mute
a note or plays a note/skips a note?
Somehow almost every manufacturer of a sequencer 'forgets'
THE most important function of an analog style sequencer
and that is the skip-knob/switch.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:57 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT: Zeit and Phaedra
>
>
> www.infectionmusic.co.uk
>
> Definitely worth checking out. I would also download the word
> (or html) spec document...
>
>
> <<
> thanks
>
> Paul>>>
>
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:09
pm
Subject: Off topic
I'm off to Prague and Poznan shortly. Is there anyone on this list in those
areas want to meet up? If so contact me off list
David
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: Alien Seagull, again (was: [tadream] off topic- New e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer.')
Well, I was being poetic, but I should have said the
chronological appearance of Chris Franke's alien
seagull sound. I stand corrected.
--- Mark Filipak wrote:
> Wade Gordon wrote:
> >
> > ... In two
> > weeks I will explore the evolution of Chris
> Frank's
> > alien seagul sound. Let me know your thoughts on
> the
> > matter.
>
> Well, it didn't really evolve. It appeared sometime
> in 1975 fully
> fledged, so to speak.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:03
pm
Subject: test
test
Seems yahoo decided to kill all the lists I belong too, hence this test...
Dale
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:05
am
Subject: test
test
I am not getting anything on the list. Sometime yesterday Yahoo decided my
mail was bouncing. So far only one list is working, so please excuse this
post. I am just trying to get it back to working.
dale
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] test
Admin wrote:
>
> test
>
> I am not getting anything on the list. Sometime yesterday Yahoo
> decided my mail was bouncing. So far only one list is working, so
> please excuse this post. I am just trying to get it back to working.
I've not gotten anything except your two tests: one at 4:03 PM -0400 and
the other just arrived (1:05 AM -400).
? -- Mark
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] test
I got this one...
all day, I was dead... I did not get anything yesterday either, till now...
I was thinking, I was screwed...(sorry Joe, this sucked a big one with yahoo
this time)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: ; 'Admin'
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] test
> Admin wrote:
> >
> > test
> >
> > I am not getting anything on the list. Sometime yesterday Yahoo
> > decided my mail was bouncing. So far only one list is working, so
> > please excuse this post. I am just trying to get it back to working.
>
> I've not gotten anything except your two tests: one at 4:03 PM -0400 and
> the other just arrived (1:05 AM -400).
>
> ? -- Mark
>
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>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:15
am
Subject: Mine! All mine!
Hahahahaha!
The Tadream list is mine! All mine! No more dumb questions except MINE!
No more 'Keep'. No more 'Alien Seagull'.
This is now the Montovanni list!
Hahahaha....
....Hahahahahaha....
....Hahahahahahahahahahaha
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] test
Mark
This is what yahoo messages told me. All the groups I belong too where shut
down from sending me mail. Due to my mail bouncing back. They give you a log
to view. Well it showed one mail bounced on the 23 July, then about 8 others
on the tadream list over several years. Why they choose now to stop all mail
is beyond me. I followed the instructions and waited. I had a ton of other
agendas to deal with, hence why this time now am I fighting it again.
Looks like it is working again. What did I do? I went back in, reset each
list from mail, to digest then back. Then I posted to each a test message
again. Seems to have worked.
I can't tell you the feeling of being left out.
Dale
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:32
am
Subject: [Mantovani] Discussion schedule
Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio Paolo
Mantovani and his music.
Next week is D:'The Song from Moulin Rouge'
The week of Aug 5 is D:'Swedish Rhapsody'
The week of Aug 12 is D:'Exodus'
I will post more schedule in early August.
Enjoy! -- Mark
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule
You know you are evil do you not?
I bet your LFO is on ramp too?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To: 'tadream'
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule
> Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio Paolo
> Mantovani and his music.
>
> Next week is D:'The Song from Moulin Rouge'
> The week of Aug 5 is D:'Swedish Rhapsody'
> The week of Aug 12 is D:'Exodus'
>
> I will post more schedule in early August.
>
> Enjoy! -- Mark
>
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>
>
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:46
am
Subject: [Mantovani] Essential Discography
Hi All!
If you don't have these discs, you don't know The Maestro! Be prepared
for the coming discussions.
Mantovani Somewhere My Love
Mantovani Shadow Of Your Smile
Mantovani Send In The Clowns
Mantovani World Hits
Mantovani Vaya Con Dios
Mantovani Besame Mucho
Mantovani Christmas Album
Mantovani More Golden Hits
Mantovani Spectacular
Mantovani Film & Theatre Themes
Mantovani Best Of Mantovani
Mantovani Love Themes
Mantovani Golden Hits 2
Mantovani Classic Melodies
Mantovani Instrumental Favourites
Mantovani In A Latin Mood
Mantovani The World Of Mantovani
Mantovani Italia Bella
Mantovani Latino Connection
Mantovani Magical Moods Of...
Mantovani Live At The Festival Hall
Mantovani Mantovani Ole
Mantovani Kismet
Mantovani Live At Royal Festival Hall Vol.1
Mantovani A Legend Of Music
Mantovani The Golden Hits
Mantovani The World Of Mantovani Vol.2
Mantovani A Night In Vienna
Mantovani Italian Favorites
Mantovani Magic Of
Mantovani Memorable Classics
Mantovani Twin Best
Mantovani Great Hits (Tba)
Mantovani Romantic Classics
Mantovani Mantovani Orchestra
Mantovani Tangos, Conceros & Other Light Music
Mantovani Tea For Two
Mantovani The Sound Of Music
Mantovani Smoke Gets In Your Eyes
Mantovani La Mer
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:05
am
Subject: [Mantovani] Greetings
We have a new Mantovani fan, who just joined. Welcome Dan Schulte!
Enjoy the music. -- Mark
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio Paolo
> Mantovani and his music.
Hey Mark, any idea when the Mantovani Tree structure will get posted here?
I can't wait it hear his 1925 Croydon concert..
Maff
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule
Ah! Maff. You joined too!
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
>
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
>
> > Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio
> > Paolo Mantovani and his music.
>
> Hey Mark, any idea when the Mantovani Tree structure will get posted
> here?
>
> I can't wait it hear his 1925 Croydon concert..
What about that 1942 performance of 'White Cliffs of Dover', eh? I mean,
that Vera Lynn was terrific wasn't she? -- A real classic. I think we
should begin with that.
You're British, so of course I expect you agree.
Ciao (...that's an Italian salutation that Mantovani used a lot...) --
Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:25
am
Subject: [Mantovani] Favorite Covers
Hey All!
The real high point for the orchestra has to be their cover of Joni
Michell's 'Both Sides Now.' Didn't they also do a cover of 'Purple Haze'?
Not sure. Thought I'd ask. -- Mark
NP: Percy Faith plays Mantovani