From: Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 7:13 pm Subject: Photos add Hello all, I add on my Homepage http://www.opticaldream.de new photos from the Berlin and the Burg Nideggen Concert. new photos Berlin 2002: 13x new photo Burg Nideggen (backstage): 1x (thank to Frits/KLEM) Regards heiko - Mr. Optical SEE US IN LONDON 2003 !!! www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tdcrjeff' Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Interesting News from TDI > > >I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo if they > > >where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that spot and > > >wipe it out with something else. Good thing most are dead so they can't > do > > >this huh? > > > > > > At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings though, but > > when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so much that > his > > family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining them!' Ozzy Osbourne took his first two solo albums and had the bass and drum parts re-recorded with new players because of bad blood with the players that had originally done the albums. -Jeff Lester From: 'Kevin Ball' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 12:34 am Subject: RE: [tadream] London 15.02.03 The nearest pub is The Hotspur. ... about a two minute walk! It's about as good as you'll get in the area! -----Original Message----- From: Janet Wojtecki [mailto:j.wojtecki@d...] Sent: 04 November 2002 18:13 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] London 15.02.03 Still I'm sure we'll find a haunt. There's plenty of time to suss ( explore) the scene. Chris From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI Same is true of Captain Beefheart but does that make it better? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tdcrjeff' To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI > > >I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo if they > > >where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that spot and > > >wipe it out with something else. Good thing most are dead so they can't > do > > >this huh? > > > > > > At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings though, but > > when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so much that > his > > family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining them!' Ozzy Osbourne took his first two solo albums and had the bass and drum parts re-recorded with new players because of bad blood with the players that had originally done the albums. -Jeff Lester ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:58 am Subject: test sorry, folks, but since my email from tadream comes with days of delay, and right now not at all, I have to bother you again with a test a. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 3:54 pm Subject: Edgar's Dalí Infuences I was browsing a book about Salvador Dalí just the other day and stumbled at a picture entitled 'Birth of Liquid Desires'... The TD association is pretty trivial. I wonder if anyone knows any other apparent Dalí connections? John Vertical From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences Wahn? (just kidding...) armin omegatransfinito wrote: > I was browsing a book about Salvador Dalí just the other day and > stumbled at a picture entitled 'Birth of Liquid Desires'... The TD > association is pretty trivial. > I wonder if anyone knows any other apparent Dalí connections? > > John Vertical > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences Do a bit of research of the archives on this list and I bet you find your answer. You might even be surprised that there are others on the list who have meet Salvador Dali as well. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'omegatransfinito' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences I was browsing a book about Salvador Dalí just the other day and stumbled at a picture entitled 'Birth of Liquid Desires'... The TD association is pretty trivial. I wonder if anyone knows any other apparent Dalí connections? John Vertical ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37010 Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences fozziebear fozziebearbeehive Tue 11/5/2002 2 KB 37011 Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences Administrator dale1kay Tue 11/5/2002 3 KB 37012 _[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences Dan Downey djambient Tue 11/5/2002 3 KB From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: RE: London 15.02.03 >My wife is less than impressed, but >accept my reasoning that the restaurants will be less crowded the >following weekend, so I've just about got away with it. I tried that - I'd have had more luck if I had suggested that valentines was on the 21st because it was a leap valentines year. Dan :-( Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37020 Re: London 15.02.03 braddito braddito Wed 11/6/2002 2 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences Administrator said 'You might even be surprised that there are others on the list who have met Salvador Dali as well.' I haven't come across this before. So who has met S Dali? David From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences me, while I was stationed in Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'fozziebear' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences > Administrator said 'You might even be surprised that there are others on the > list who have met Salvador Dali as well.' > > I haven't come across this before. So who has met S Dali? > > David > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37012 _[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences Dan Downey djambient Tue 11/5/2002 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: Re:_[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences Don't you mean when you were sequenced in Spain? - D --- Administrator wrote: > me, while I was stationed in Spain. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'fozziebear' > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences > > > > Administrator said 'You might even be surprised > that there are others on > the > > list who have met Salvador Dali as well.' > > > > I haven't come across this before. So who has > met S Dali? > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 10:12 pm Subject: Re: Re:_[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences hehehe just a rogue midi file traveling the net ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dan Downey' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re:_[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences > Don't you mean when you were sequenced in Spain? > - D > --- Administrator wrote: > > me, while I was stationed in Spain. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'fozziebear' > > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences > > > > > > > Administrator said 'You might even be surprised > > that there are others on > > the > > > list who have met Salvador Dali as well.' > > > > > > I haven't come across this before. So who has > > met S Dali? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== > DanD - aka DJAmbient > www.ambientissue.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'esculap' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:22 am Subject: Re: Random personnel thoughts >#4: Who are the people in the TT vol. 15 back cover? Edgar and Jerome, OK, >and either of the two blokes on the sides must be Gerald - but that's the >end of men personnel at that show, isn't it? Could the rightmost guy be >actually a gal - if yes, which one of them? >Or am I mistaken about Jacqueline being a women's name? (And what did she >play at the show, anyway?) Gerald is the rightmost. The guy on the left (I can't remember his name...) didn't play in Warsaw in 2001. The photo was taken from the promo folder (prepared before the show) so that line-up isn't actual. Dream on, Andrzej From: 'esculap' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:30 am Subject: Re: Random personnel thoughts, cont. >Or am I mistaken about Jacqueline being a women's name? (And what did she >play at the show, anyway?) It was surely a woman. She used a plenty of 'disturbing' things as much as drums. And, of course, she (together with Iris) took our eyes away from the getting-older-father-and-son-team. Andrzej From: 'esculap' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:39 am Subject: Re: Interesting News from TDI >>I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo if they >>where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that spot and >>wipe it out with something else. >At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings though, but >when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so much that his >family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining them!' Is Edgar going deaf ?? ;-) Andrzej From: 'tangram80' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:00 am Subject: Porn Star CD? Just saw this item on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919903024 What the hell is this? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37023 Re: Porn Star CD? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 11/6/2002 3 KB 37025 Re: Porn Star CD? Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Wed 11/6/2002 2 KB 37040 Re: Porn Star CD? fozziebear fozziebearbeehive Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB 37041 Re: Porn Star CD? Paul Lawler lawlermusic Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB 37043 Re: Porn Star CD? Steven Feldman losmara Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB 37052 Re: Porn Star CD? Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 11/8/2002 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI Actually I read somewhere that he was difficult to communicate with because his hearing was getting bad from his years surrounding music esp. live music Greg NP: NuSpirit Helsinki ----- Original Message ----- From: 'esculap' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI > >>I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo if they > >>where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that spot and > >>wipe it out with something else. > >At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings though, but > >when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so much that his > >family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining them!' > > Is Edgar going deaf ?? ;-) > > Andrzej > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:55 am Subject: 20 years 'Logos': London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982...was it really 20 years ago? Time flies... This was the first TD album which I bought right after its release, it's one of the greatest albums ever, and I can still remember my excitement when I heard it the first time, like as if I finally found the holy grail :-) Heiko P.S.: birthday greetings to Al 'The TD's pal' Benson :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37021 Re: Logos 20 years braddito braddito Wed 11/6/2002 2 KB 37022 Re: Logos 20 years Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/6/2002 2 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:04 am Subject: Re: London 15.02.03 Does anyone know of a restaurant near the Astoria so Dan can conveniently suffer from an accute dose of the runs at 8pm ? --- In tadream@y..., 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' wrote: > >My wife is less than impressed, but > >accept my reasoning that the restaurants will be less crowded the > >following weekend, so I've just about got away with it. > > I tried that - I'd have had more luck if I had suggested that valentines was > on the 21st because it was a leap valentines year. > > Dan :-( From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:09 am Subject: Re: Logos 20 years I was listening to the Dominion show last night in anticipation of the anniversary. It has some great music that still sounds so fresh. I wonder if we'll get a reprise on 15th February ? Toby --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > 'Logos': London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982...was it really 20 > years ago? Time flies... This was the first TD album which I bought > right after its release, it's one of the greatest albums ever, and I can > still remember my excitement when I heard it the first time, like as if > I finally found the holy grail :-) > > Heiko > > P.S.: birthday greetings to Al 'The TD's pal' Benson :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37022 Re: Logos 20 years Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/6/2002 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:15 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Logos 20 years Oh, I can't remember that particular year. Perhaps that's because I was born in 1983... Instead I fondly think of the times when I got Live Miles. It was long ago and I was still a rookie as a TD-fan... It was two years ago... ;-) Regards, Marko Marin > --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen > wrote: > > 'Logos': London Dominion Theatre 06 November > 1982...was it really 20 > > years ago? Time flies... This was the first TD > album which I bought > > right after its release, it's one of the greatest > albums ever, and > I can > > still remember my excitement when I heard it the > first time, like > as if > > I finally found the holy grail :-) > > > > Heiko > > > > P.S.: birthday greetings to Al 'The TD's pal' > Benson :-) ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD? At 03:00 06.11.02, you wrote: >Just saw this item on ebay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919903024 > >What the hell is this? > >Jeffrey > Dear Jeffrey, this has nothing to do with TD, the band, but only with Tangerine Dream XXX, the Canadian porn star. We are currently informing them that they will have to drop the name TD from the record as we have the name registered as a world wide trademark in connection with all known and unknown types of audiovisual recording devices. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] translation problem Thanks, John, for these explanations. All the best, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] translation problem > >Does someone know what ' Vermond Curry ' mean ? > > > Curry is an oriental spice mix (curcuma, cinnamon, peppers, etc.) to begin > with. I'm not sure about 'Vermond' - it could be a misspelling of 'Vermont' > (a USA state) but it could also be a name of some curry dish. > > John Vertical From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 1:18 pm Subject: Re: Porn Star CD? This is the site of this Canadian Quebecer Porn Star... Ok kids go to bed! In an tv interview she said that she knew the existence the REAL TD origin... http://www.tangerinedreamxxx.com/ Watch out! +(-_-)+ Yan --- In tadream@y..., 'tangram80' wrote: > Just saw this item on ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919903024 > > What the hell is this? > > Jeffrey From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 2:28 pm Subject: off topic-sound explorer I am proud to announce that 'Sound Explorer' has a brand new website and that this weekend all the archieves will be available for your enjoyment. The new web address is as follows: www.wadegordon.com. Wade __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From: 'corporalcripp' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? I'm signed on as a leaf.Has the list of shows to be offered on TT 3 been finalised yet?-Bob rwoltanski@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37030 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 11/6/2002 2 KB 37038 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions corporalcripp corporalcripp Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB 37047 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 3 KB 37048 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 4 KB 37034 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 11/7/2002 3 KB 37039 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions corporalcripp corporalcripp Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB 37049 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 11/8/2002 2 KB From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re:__Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences Hi, If I recall, Edgar was heavily influenced by Dali - they met in the 60's when Edgar was an art student (?sculpture) and this had an profound effect on him. I think he was also a kind of 'musician in residence' in the Dali home for a summer, which he was still a 'traditional' musician. Afterwards, Edgar decided that art was not for him, but he would try to do with music, what Dali was doing in art - ie. challenge the boundaries etc. I think this very early history is in Stumps much-criticised book, which I actually quite enjoyed. Daniel np. 'A Dali-esque sleep fuse' From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:__Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences Hi guys, got fed up waiting around for my new pc to turn up, so got the old one out again!!! I love Dali's work and had heard of the Edgar/Dali connection. As an extra note, I belive Edgar and co played at Dali's home in Spain while floating on a pontoon off the beach! - one split in the power cable and TD would never have been born!!! PAulus.d_UK PS Maff..... your home address is buried deep in the backup files to be imported to the new PC-I haven't forgot the Classic tree and will get in touch as soon as poss... -----Original Message----- From: Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Date: 06 November 2002 16:12 Subject: [tadream] Re:__Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences >Hi, > >If I recall, Edgar was heavily influenced by Dali - they met in the 60's >when Edgar was an art student (?sculpture) and this had an profound effect >on him. I think he was also a kind of 'musician in residence' in the Dali >home for a summer, which he was still a 'traditional' musician. Afterwards, >Edgar decided that art was not for him, but he would try to do with music, >what Dali was doing in art - ie. challenge the boundaries etc. > >I think this very early history is in Stumps much-criticised book, which I >actually quite enjoyed. > >Daniel > >np. 'A Dali-esque sleep fuse' > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions From: 'corporalcripp' > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the post by this weekend. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37038 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions corporalcripp corporalcripp Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB 37047 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 3 KB 37048 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 4 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:52 pm Subject: Re.Logos 20 years Just had to listen to it at high volume no neighbours at the moment taking advantage.A absolutely superb album and who can believe it is 20 years since this great event, it still sounds fresh today and probably will in another 20. Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37033 Re: Re.Logos 20 years Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:56 pm Subject: TD @ London Hi to all. Been reading all the comments about TD playing in a standing room only place. When TD was suppose to play in the US last year they were going to play at the TLA in Philadelphia PA. This is a small standing room and bar kind of place . I'm wondering if this is what they intend to do IF they play in the US next year? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From: Falcon Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 12:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Logos 20 years At 08:52 PM 11/6/2002, you wrote: >Just had to listen to it at high volume no neighbours at the moment >taking advantage.A absolutely superb album and who can believe it is >20 years since this great event, it still sounds fresh today and >probably will in another 20. How about adding the original Logos concert to the Tangerine Leaves set ? Ramon From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 7:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? I'm signed on as > a leaf.Has the list of shows to be offered on TT 3 been finalised > yet?-Bob Hello Bob, the list of shows for TT3 has not been finalised yet, but I will come up with a definite list as soon as possible. Right now the *candidates* are: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977, Duesseldorf Philipshalle 21 October 1976, Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997, Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973, Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows 06 June 1986, and two more concerts from the mid 70s. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37039 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions corporalcripp corporalcripp Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB From: Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 7:01 am Subject: TD 2003 in Russia??? Hello, to all Russian TD Fans, it gives rumors where Tangerine Dream will playing in the next year also in Russia !!!!(St. Petersburg - Electroshock Festival and Moscow). I dont know, is it true? Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37036 Re: TD 2003 in Russia??? artofvision01 artofvision01 Thu 11/7/2002 2 KB From: 'artofvision01' Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 9:48 am Subject: Re: TD 2003 in Russia??? > Hello, > to all Russian TD Fans, it gives rumors >where Tangerine Dream will playing in the next >year also in Russia !!!!(St. Petersburg - >Electroshock Festival and Moscow). > I dont know, is it true? Well, I haven't heared anything about this, but that'd be incredible!! I guess, I'd even visit St.Petersburg especially to see them another time. They've never been in Russia before, AFAIK. Art Of Vision From: 'braddito' Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 1:10 pm Subject: OT : Any Polish members of this group ? I'm trying to get hold of some software published in Poland which is not available in the UK. If you might be able to help, please contact me offline. Thanks Toby From: 'corporalcripp' Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > > From: 'corporalcripp' > > > > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? > > > Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the post by this > weekend. > > > Maff Thanks,-Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37047 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 3 KB 37048 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 4 KB From: 'corporalcripp' Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? I'm signed on as > > a leaf.Has the list of shows to be offered on TT 3 been finalised > > yet?-Bob > > Hello Bob, > the list of shows for TT3 has not been finalised yet, but I will come up with > a definite list as soon as possible. Right now the *candidates* are: Berlin > Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977, > Duesseldorf Philipshalle 21 October 1976, Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June > 1997, Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 > November 1973, Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows 06 June 1986, and two more > concerts from the mid 70s. > > Heiko Thanks, Heiko.Is the april 9/77 show a 2cd? From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD? Martin said this has nothing to do with TD, the band, but only with Tangerine Dream XXX, the Canadian porn star. We are currently informing them that they will have to drop the name TD from the record as we have the name registered as a world wide trademark in connection with all known and unknown types of audiovisual recording devices. Why not ask Ms Dream to do some exotic dancing on the 2003 tour? She could start at the London Astoria Maybe that's what they mean by standing room only. David From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'fozziebear' To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD? > > Why not ask Ms Dream to do some exotic dancing on the 2003 tour? She could > start at the London Astoria > > I think this would work well as Edgar has always had a porn star look about him ;) From: René Brenner Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 10:19 pm Subject: New Tatort Best of CD Hi folks Did anyone here check the recently released compilation CD 'Tatort - Die Beste Musik aus 500 Folgen' [1] (Tatort - Best Of) ? It contains the White Eagle track and I wonder if it is the original version previously unavailable on CD. Rene 1. http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006L75S/ref=pd_sims_dp__1/028-6818745-6\ 870945 From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD? On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:00:48 -0000 'Paul Lawler' writes: >[. . .] Edgar has always had a porn star look about him ;) No no no; you're thinking of Ron Jeremy. ;) Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37052 Re: Porn Star CD? Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 11/8/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:32 am Subject: test (sorry)(desculpem) From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:15 am Subject: [tadream] OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge I laughed when I read this comment from some website dedicated to Mike Oldfield that said this: '...this is not the one of my favourites. It starts great but it's getting somehow 'old' with the time. Or maybe it's just the name that's disgusting to me: 'Incantations'. Wizard of Oz ?!? Too bad, because I'm Christian and believe in God and the Bible and therefore not in any occult things (incantations). I guess, this album makes me somehow nervous or depressive. Though it has great parts on it.' Okay, I don't mind if someone believes in God or whatever, but that's just funny... Anyway, my real topic is Hergest Ridge. I just got it and already like it. It's much better than Tubular Bells which I don't exactly love (it's a technical masterpiece and the themes are great but there's just something wrong or missing...), but I can see why people say that TB is full of urban feel and HR is more 'hilly' and open aired if you know what I mean. My personal view is that two parts is telling a story about the different seasons of the year. Part One: First summer then autumn and finally christmas. Part Two: Spring (with the great thunderstorm sequence) and the beginning of summer. I've understood that the mix in the cd-version is the one appeared in Boxed and not the original. I've heard the original vinyl once or twice and can't say for sure if it's better... Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37060 Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge orangefunk_2000 orangefunk_2000 Mon 11/11/2002 2 KB 37061 Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 11/11/2002 2 KB 37062 Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge C. Chambers cbc_trooper Mon 11/11/2002 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:30 am Subject: OT: Kraftwerk in Osaka Hi everyone-- Sorry for the off-topic post. This might be a long shot, but is there anyone else on the list who's planning to see Kraftwerk in Osaka, Japan on December 15? If so, let me know. --Daniel NP: Massive Attack - Protection From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions I aked to be put on the classic tree some time ago and I still Don't see my name there. How do I get on the list? Robert -----Original Message----- From: corporalcripp [mailto:rwoltanski@h...] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:25 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > > From: 'corporalcripp' > > > > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? > > > Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the post by this > weekend. > > > Maff Thanks,-Bob ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37048 Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 11/8/2002 4 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:35 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions Please disreguard my last email as I have found me on the list. That's what happens when you wake up and don't smell the coffee Robert -----Original Message----- From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:28 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions I aked to be put on the classic tree some time ago and I still Don't see my name there. How do I get on the list? Robert -----Original Message----- From: corporalcripp [mailto:rwoltanski@h...] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:25 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > > From: 'corporalcripp' > > > > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? > > > Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the post by this > weekend. > > > Maff Thanks,-Bob ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions > Thanks, Heiko.Is the april 9/77 show a 2cd? yup. From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:32 pm Subject: off topic- 'Manhunter' ost Does anyone out there know where I am acquire a copy of #34;Manhunter#34; ost on c.d. or cassette? Contact me privately if need be. Wade __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: Hello everyone, just to let you know my email address now is gustavojobim@s... , new provider, now on DSL (FINALLY!), 256 kbps. Joe, can I get the next Tangerine Tree sets downloading the SHNs with this connection speed? best regards, GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: Re: Porn Star CD? --- In tadream@y..., Steven Feldman wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:00:48 -0000 'Paul Lawler' > writes: > > >[. . .] Edgar has always had a porn star look about him ;) > > No no no; you're thinking of Ron Jeremy. > ;) > > Stephe Feldman, androgyne > http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster No No No youre thinking of John Holmes(Ooops);) From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 6:21 pm Subject: selling some cds Hello, Dreamers ! Do you know http://www.firetongue.com/ ? They sell a software which catalog cds in cddb format... pretty piece of software indeed and the author may like TD if I trust the screenshots and the name both of the website (one of my favorite TD songs :-)) and the name of the software : OrangeCD ;o) I used the trial version to make a page for the CD I sell : each of them is original and in excellent state. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd2sell Please contact me offlist if you are interested... Orange Regards ;o) Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 12:11 pm Subject: Poland(The Warsaw concert83) Took some time to chill out this morning,sat here and listened to Poland(Relativity2CD)for the umpteenth time,God this is Magnificent. Overcome with respect for these guys,AWESOME material. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Dream Roots bonus CD - tangentized to what extent? Okay, this is pure speculation since none of us have heard the original tapes... For starters: on Valley of the Sun, there's a repeatedly used rustling sound that's also found from the beginning of Silver Scale on Tangents. Added later for sure, just like the other rustling sound on Silver Scale (during the main sequence). Of the ambience layers of all 4 pieces, I guess I'm not taking huge risks by claiming that the choral washes were added later. Same for some orchestral bits presumably too. Red Morpho sounds like that it's the most tangentized piece of the bunch. I'd guess that only the rhytms and one or two melody bits were really recorded in '85. As independent shells of finished pieces that is, not as such a patchwork as Red Morpho is... 5-6 sections within 11 minutes? sheesh... Beach Bay Bunker resembles Mysterious Semblance a great deal in structure. I wouldn't be surprized if it was originally only some 3 minutes long and was stretched three times longet in '96... Valley of the Sun and Vanishing Blue, the 2 most stable pieces, probably had all their core elements already in '85. I can easily imagine what they would have been like, had they appeared in some 86 concert: great, but in a different way as they are great now. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 6:01 pm Subject: yahoo Once again, I respond to a yahoo list and I get the dreaded mail, your account had a hard bounce, 9 times. Funny it did it only once today and why who the heck now as all the other mail is fine. But they count up all your bounces over the years and make it sound like you got a major problem. Not to mention having to visit that site again and redo. Did I ever say how much I am starting to hate Yahoo for this type of crap? (pardon my use of crap I had another word in mine at the time). Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37068 Re: yahoo Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 11/12/2002 3 KB 37137 yahoo Admin dale1kay Sun 11/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Martin Mckee' Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 2:38 pm Subject: Question - DSC Hi, Just a quick question RE:Digital soundtrack.. On the tree in the database a few people don't have supplier's assigned[including me]. Is this assigned, or do the tree members make independent arrangements?? Thanks! Martin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37058 Underground Video and Music-CD: first 12 numbered copies are finishe Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Sun 11/10/2002 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 10:17 pm Subject: Underground Video and Music-CD: first 12 numbered copies are finished! Please read! Some 'UNDERGROUND' news! The first set of the discs are finished and will be posted to everybody who are one of the lucky 12 who signed at first for the set. I will send an email to them for the details. To all the others: Don`t worry! Your set will be shipped in approx. 10 days, too. See an excerpt of the (finished) booklet and the names of the lucky-12 on my UNDERGROUND page. Please read the NEWS at the end of the page, too! www.rutka.de/td -> UNDERGROUND C U Rainer --------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: [tadream] OT: Trading Jerry Goldsmith's Total Recall Deluxe I would like to trade Total Recall Deluxe (includes about 30 minutes more music than the original release back in 1990) in movie scores from Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Danny Elfman, etc. or stuff like Tangerine Dream, AirSculpture, Steve Roach, etc. If interested, contact me offlist. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From: 'orangefunk_2000' Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:21 pm Subject: Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge Wow someone mentioning 2 of my fav recordings of all time. Yeah Hergest Ridge on LP sounds different to the one on CD.. Mike remixed it back in 76 and changed it.. Personally I heard the CD before the LP so I prefer the CD.. the LP sounds weird to me with big changes in sound.. Isn't that a lovely oboe melody to die for.. Also Incantations is one hell of a serious recording.. all that multiple time sig stuff is amazing.. how the hell did they play it!? My fav is the start of the vibes seq on track 4.. that sequence just kills me.. esp when the bass joins in.. trippy or what... lovely Solina string ensemble too.. Anothr great recording is Ommadawn, quite hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute part/string synth that is towards the end of side 1.. what can I say.. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37061 Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 11/11/2002 2 KB 37062 Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge C. Chambers cbc_trooper Mon 11/11/2002 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:42 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge --- orangefunk_2000 wrote: > Isn't that a lovely oboe melody to die for.. Almost. > Also Incantations is one hell of a serious > recording.. all that > multiple time sig stuff is amazing.. how the hell > did they play it!? They propably used overdubs. > Anothr great recording is Ommadawn, quite > hippyish/psych but amazing, > that flute part/string synth that is towards the end > of side 1.. what > can I say.. Ommadawn is my favourite album actually. The finale of the first part is wonderful. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37062 Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge C. Chambers cbc_trooper Mon 11/11/2002 3 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 2:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge > > Anothr great recording is Ommadawn, quite > > hippyish/psych but amazing, > > that flute part/string synth that is towards the end > > of side 1.. what > > can I say.. > > Ommadawn is my favourite album actually. The finale of > the first part is wonderful. > Hah! I was almost late to my wedding listening to that part...I drove by the church about 5 times before side 1 ended and I could pull into the church lot. Certainly got me primed for the big leap :-) My wife is a big MO fan too...so we drove away to start our honeymoon listening to side 2... Craig Chambers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 From: Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 2:55 pm Subject: TaDream Trees -- Compliments Hi All: I'm coming out of lurk mode to say a thank you for the obvious love, care and attention that went into making the first two trees. I traded for a set of the discs and was very, very impressed with the sound and the visual 'packaging'. A big compliment to all involved with the trees. It was also nice since the set arrrived on the weekend of my b-day (thanks Rich!!) and the first disc was recorded on my b-day. I imagine that when the trees were presented to the band that, despite them frowning on bootlegs, Froese must have been very impressed and touched to know that his fans cared about the music that deeply to create such a set as these. I am looking forward to the Classic Tree discs and give an advance thank you to all involved in what will certainly be another work of art. Allison NP: Underwater Sunlight -- as it is a dark rainy day in Providence, RI. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37067 Re: TaDream Trees -- Compliments Heiko Heerssen td_freak Tue 11/12/2002 4 KB From: 'corporalcripp' Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:09 pm Subject: hotmail problems I'm unable to log in on hotmail so if anyone wishes to contact me go to outernebula56@y... I'm signed on as a leaf on the Classic Tree -hope I'm not out of the loop.--Bob From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #294 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #294 November 7, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc one of the two CD set 'Atmospheric Conditions' by FSP on the Quantum label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Encore' by Tangerine Dream the Virgin label. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International who will be in concert at the next Gathering on November 16. FSP and WW http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov The Gathering http://thegatherings.org Listen to WDIY http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tangerine Dream Monolight Encore (Virgin) VA [RMI] Let Me Hear You Say Yeah Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) Mutation Vector Nebula Placebo Merchant (none) Adam Schabtach Elephant Island * Elephant Island (Atomic City) 12:00 am Free System Projekt Naiad Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Thalassa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Despina Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Galatea * Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one from 'Cloudseeder' by WW on the VFR label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Audion' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast on the Passport label. I will play the music of Radio Massacre International who will be performing at the November 16th Gathering. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:53 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 9, 2002 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #11 November 9, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of Radio Massacre International (RMI) who will play at the next Gathering on November 16. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [RMI] Pipe Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) VA [Under the Dome] Launch Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) Harold Grosskopf Come Pass the Gate Digital Nomad (AMP) Harold Grosskopf Diving at the Reichstag Digital Nomad (AMP) RMI Small Frozen North Frozen North (Centaur) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Ponce and Zebelman Declaration Song of Songs (Spring Hill) Love Moods Cliff Side Village Deep Passion (Music Universe) Xumantra Garuda Mambo Dance of Life (Xonic) Alias Zone Phunque Lucid Dreams (Cyber Motion) Dagobert Bohm Pacific Sundown Morning Flight (inak) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [Djam Karet] Stage Three The Official Bootleg (ProgWest) VA [Deadwood Forest] King of the Skies The Official Bootleg (ProgWest) Yes Don't Go Magnification (Beyond Music) Entrance Alas Fugaces En La Tierra (Mylodan) Cast Legacy's Executor Legacy (none) Solaris The Martian Chronicles The Martian Chronicles (Gong) Part IV * * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 25. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Trees -- Compliments > I imagine that when the trees were presented to the band that, despite them frowning on bootlegs, Froese must have been very impressed and touched to know that his fans cared about the music that deeply to create such a set as these. > > I am looking forward to the Classic Tree discs and give an advance thank you to all involved in what will certainly be another work of art. Hi Allison, the first Tree was sent to TDI directly, and I was told that Edgar was impressed by both the sound quality and the cover artwork. I presented an advance version of the 2nd Tree to him after the 'Inferno' concert in Berlin five months ago, and that was the first time I had the chance for a little conversation. He told me that it's ok and that he likes what we are doing, but what really p*isses him off are real pressed CDs which get sold and offered in large quantities in magazines or via Internet, and often for ridiculous high prices. He especially mentioned the 'Electronic orgy' 4 cd bootleg compilation which -so it seems- is the 'mother of all TD evil' to him, and in case the manufacturers of this set will finally get caught I assume they will face hard times ;-) After the latest 'Inferno' concert in Nideggen I was able to present to Edgar the final TT2 version (thanks again to Martin for making all this possible :-), and I hope there will also be an opportunity to give the new TT#3 to both Edgar and Martin after the London Astoria gig next February. It's still under 'heavy construction' and most certainly won't be finished before December/January, but I'm very confident that this time it will knock your TD socks off :-B Heiko n.p.: TT3 Vol.17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 ...unbelievable sound quality, thanks Wouter!! From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] yahoo I have the same problems since a week or so. As if they force you to visit the website again and see all the advertising. a. Admin wrote: > Once again, I respond to a yahoo list and I get the dreaded mail, your > account had a hard bounce, 9 times. Funny it did it only once today and why > who the heck now as all the other mail is fine. But they count up all your > bounces over the years and make it sound like you got a major problem. Not > to mention having to visit that site again and redo. > Did I ever say how much I am starting to hate Yahoo for this type of crap? > (pardon my use of crap I had another word in mine at the time). > > Dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Winston Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: TaDream Trees by TDI? What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other trees: * TD could make some extra money, * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able to find it and buy it. (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.) -WBE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37070 Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? Administrator dale1kay Tue 11/12/2002 3 KB 37088 Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37089 Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 11/14/2002 4 KB 37166 Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? Scott Roget1998 Tue 11/19/2002 4 KB 37167 Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? goozergrafx goozergrafx Tue 11/19/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI? Sticky, when they may not have the rights to their own works at certain concerts. Not to mention a lot of these where recorded in the audience not exactly on the up and up. (most concerts have that forbid thing on recorders and cameras). Not that it can't be done, but how much effort and time. Not that it would not be worth it either. Then there are always the tapes in the secret TD Safe that may hold some tid bits of gold and precious gems. Dale Any cat burglars out there? (stay away from my cats!) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Winston' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI? > What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other > trees: > * TD could make some extra money, > * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and > * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able > to find it and buy it. > (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold > in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that > doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.) > -WBE > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: David Butler Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:34 am Subject: Off topic but cool Okay...so I'm cruising through singles sites on the internet and I start corresponding with a few women in my area. So last Thursday I get an email from 'Robin', she says that she has some tickets to a show and that since her ex-boyfriend is in Texas he won't be going, do I want to go. I say, yeah okay sure. Damn the luck, it was Sheryl Crow...Of course, that may not be very impressive, but Miss Sheryl was opening for another band you may have heard of...The Rolling Stones! At the very nice and new Pac Bell Park in San Francisco, yeah where the Giant's lost their ass. The Rolling Stones! Aren't they about the same age as Edgar? No offense. The stage show was quite impressive and the video screen was bigger than most houses. And fireworks at the end, it was very cool. Sorry for the off-topic, but thought you'd all like to know....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From: Chris Richards Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:28 am Subject: Re: Ommadawn <> I just recently got this album on CD, after having owned the LP for something like a decade or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it builds up to the first time we hear the melody that's repeated near the end of side one with the vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of side two), as well. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37073 Re: Ommadawn/ Herget Ridge braddito braddito Wed 11/13/2002 3 KB 37081 Re: Ommadawn TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37104 Re: Ommadawn Chris Richards Kohntarkosz Fri 11/15/2002 2 KB 37109 OT - the MO HDCDs Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 11/15/2002 3 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 9:39 am Subject: Re: Ommadawn/ Herget Ridge Being a Brit, I've been able to listen to these albums whilst in the countryside in the Shropshire/ Wales borders area which inspired much of the music. I even went to Hergest Ridge while on honeymoon, fortunately my wife likes Oldfield and enjoyed the experience. The music seems so right for those beautiful hills - it was a very uplifting time. Toby --- In tadream@y..., Chris Richards wrote: > < hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute > part/string synth that is towards the end of side > 1.. what can I say..>> > > I just recently got this album on CD, after > having owned the LP for something like a decade > or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it > starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it > builds up to the first time we hear the melody > that's repeated near the end of side one with the > vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always > loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of > side two), as well. > > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'- James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From: Darren Fricker Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: date query A quick query. Tangerine Tree vol.4 is 4-Apr-77, Lisner Auditorium, Washington. When I was updating my tradelist I find that I also have another show listed on 4-Apr-77, Place Des Arts, Montreal, Canada [Patrolling Space Borders]. Can someone confirm the correct dates for these two [I'm presuming/hoping that the TT one is correct]. Cheers. Darren. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37075 Re: date query Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 11/13/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] date query From: 'Darren Fricker' > > Can someone confirm the correct dates for these two [I'm presuming/hoping that the TT one is correct]. Lisner Auditorium is indeed 4th April 1977. Place des Arts is 9th April 1977. A much better recording than Patrolling Space Borders is due in TT#3. Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:20 pm Subject: yeah where the Giant's lost their ass. >yeah where the Giant's lost their ass. [pedant] hmm, I thought they lost it in Anaheim's Edison Field.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: Chris Richards Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:21 pm Subject: Re: Ommadawn/Hergest Ridge <> So, is it really good to be on horseback? ;-) 'Hey, away we go/Through the grass/Cross the snow/Big brown beastie/Big brown face/I'd rather be with you than flying through space'. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37080 Re: Ommadawn/Hergest Ridge Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1566 > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:28:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Richards > Subject: Re: Ommadawn > > < hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute > part/string synth that is towards the end of side > 1.. what can I say..>> > > I just recently got this album on CD, after > having owned the LP for something like a decade > or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it > starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it > builds up to the first time we hear the melody > that's repeated near the end of side one with the > vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always > loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of > side two), as well. > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris For those interested, there's a big up-to-date interview with Mike Oldfield with previously unseen pics here; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixconcerts.html and the same site has reviews of many TD, Klaus Schulze, Ashra and related CD's; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:26 am Subject: Re: Gentile show I sure would like to get a recording of this show interviewing EF (without the commercials which would probably bring it down to one disc) on cd-r. Is that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine Tree whatever# ? For that matter, what about including many of the wonderful interviews from the past on a tree? Heiko? Oh, and I just saw the DVD tree of concerts mentioned a while ago. I was drooling. Am I too late? Assuming I might get some money this Christmas, is this a future possible purchase? Duncan? Please contact off list: outlanda60@h... Thanks. 8-Dell All IMO of course NP: well, it was the Lou Gentile show til I got thrown out As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37083 Re: Gentile show Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37094 Re: Gentile show Administrator dale1kay Thu 11/14/2002 4 KB 37096 Re: Gentile show Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Thu 11/14/2002 5 KB 37098 Re: Gentile show Administrator dale1kay Thu 11/14/2002 6 KB 37099 Re: Gentile show Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37100 Re: Gentile show Adele Outland outlanda60 Fri 11/15/2002 2 KB 37105 Re: Gentile show Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Fri 11/15/2002 3 KB 37107 Re: Gentile show Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 11/15/2002 4 KB 37111 Re: Gentile show Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Fri 11/15/2002 5 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn/Hergest Ridge I have to chip in my 2cents and agree that Ommadawn is a really beautiful album! A good cd for woolly jumpers and cold, snowy nights with a glass of brandy :-) --- Chris Richards wrote: > < on honeymoon, fortunately my wife likes Oldfield > and enjoyed the experience. >> > > So, is it really good to be on horseback? ;-) > > 'Hey, away we go/Through the grass/Cross the > snow/Big brown beastie/Big brown face/I'd rather > be with you than flying through space'. > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of > flamingos?'-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn At 18:28 12.11.02, you wrote: ><hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute >part/string synth that is towards the end of side >1.. what can I say..>> > >I just recently got this album on CD, after >having owned the LP for something like a decade >or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it >starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it >builds up to the first time we hear the melody >that's repeated near the end of side one with the >vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always >loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of >side two), as well. > > >= Did you get the new HDCD-Version? I own both the old and the new version and the HDCD sounds so much better, I was impressed. It does not vene sound like the recording was made in the Seventies anymore. Yeah... I love this album, too. 'On Horseback' is a hilarious parody/comment on 'Space Rock' and 'Space Music', if you wish to read the lyrics in that way. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:00 am Subject: DVD tree Is the concerts DVD tree still going to happen ? Sorry if its been discussed but I only get chance to follow threads now and again . Paul From: 'Heiko Heerssen' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:32 pm Subject: Re: Gentile show --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > I sure would like to get a recording of this show interviewing EF (without > the commercials which would probably bring it down to one disc) on cd-r. Is > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine Tree whatever# ? For that > matter, what about including many of the wonderful interviews from the past > on a tree? Heiko? Hi Dell, I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an indexed version by leaving out the commercials), but still it was much too long to make it fit onto just 1 CDR. Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, I don't want to, it does not go together well. But it would be an interesting idea for another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD interview series ('On air') and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this might be a good resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with the Tangerine Tree and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have to put it into some other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an 'interview tree' would be of big interest. But I find most of the interviews very interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou Gentile show where Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good idea. Comments?.. Heiko P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the persons which were involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION', I can imagine how much time and effort went into it, and it's worth every second :-) P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or 5th time now since two months, and therefore had to reactive my account. If there's something I don't ever want to read again than it's surely 'bouncing history' #*+%&$'&!! From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:46 pm Subject: Melrose re-recorded Well quiet here...;-) Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's web: Hi, All three albums are COMPLETELY re-recorded and some tracks sound quite different. Some guitar work has been added by 'Marc Hornby' and 'Iris' did some percussion work as well. And last but not least, each CD contains an unreleased bonus track from that time. More about this product in the next few days..... greets, Admin Look at http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum&op=threadview&topicid=114&fo rumid=4#759 Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37085 Re: Melrose re-recorded Paul Lawler lawlermusic Thu 11/14/2002 4 KB 37086 Re: Melrose re-recorded Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37087 Re: Melrose re-recorded mengels@w... mars103nl Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37091 Re: Melrose re-recorded Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 11/14/2002 2 KB 37090 Re: Melrose re-recorded Matthew Stringer Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37092 Re: Melrose re-recorded John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 11/14/2002 2 KB 37093 Re: Melrose re-recorded Paul Lawler lawlermusic Thu 11/14/2002 2 KB 37097 Re: Melrose re-recorded Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded Have they been re-recorded using a lot of the original sounds as well or are they all remixed with the current TDI sounds .Are any of the original live performances kept in the new mixes (Sax/Flute , Long Island Sunset , Eds guitar solos etc) Will there be mp3s of the new versions any time soon , and when do you expect a release date ? I'm looking forward to these as Lily and Optical are favourites of mine . Lets hope the new versions are good enough to stand up in their own right . Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Peter Ravn' To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded > Well quiet here...;-) > > > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's web: > Hi, > > All three albums are COMPLETELY re-recorded and some tracks sound quite > different. Some guitar work has been added by 'Marc Hornby' and 'Iris' did > some percussion work as well. And last but not least, each CD contains an > unreleased bonus track from that time. > More about this product in the next few days..... > > greets, > Admin > > Look at > http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum&op=threadview&topicid=114&fo > rumid=4#759 > > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded > Well quiet here...;-) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................... > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's web: I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37087 Re: Melrose re-recorded mengels@w... mars103nl Thu 11/14/2002 3 KB 37091 Re: Melrose re-recorded Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 11/14/2002 2 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded Citeren Heiko Heerssen : > > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's > web: > > I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of > Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-) Why do they re-record or tangentize their music? Sure you don't have to buy it if you don't like it (I don't even have the original Melrose albums...don't like it at all). It's like tangentizing new material...weird. :-) I'll see if I can tangentize some of the new albums with mellotron sounds and Moog basses haha. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... __________________________________________________________ Nieuw: Wanadoo ADSL Lite voor 27,95 euro per maand! Meer informatie: http://www.wanadoo.nl/adsl From: 'Heiko Heerssen' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:43 pm Subject: Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? --- In tadream@y..., Winston wrote: > What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other > trees: > * TD could make some extra money, > * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and > * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able > to find it and buy it. > (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold > in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that > doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.) > -WBE All I can say is 'thank you' to Martin and/or Edgar for not having pulled the plug until now, and I guess we can all be happy that they do not hinder us from trading unreleased Tangerine Dream music which is indeed a violation of copyrights and of intellectual property. It is still a 'legal minefield' (to quote Klaus B.), and I have no desire to step on a 'TD bomb'. They seem to be quite open-minded about trading CDRs, I wonder what would have happened to me if I have had the idea of starting a Klaus Schulze CDR tree instead...because his manager seems to be the total opposite from 'our manager' Martin K. (I once made the 'mistake' of quoting something from out of the 'KS circle' newsletter on the Tadream list, and it got me in real trouble. He threatened to kick me out of the list in case I do this again, and I unsubscribed from the KS circle immediately..man, those Germans really don't have any kind of humour at all!! ;-) Regarding the idea of TDI offering the Tangerine Tree editions, this is even beyond wishful thinking, and would be a monstrous joke if it would really happen! From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? Hi, Heiko Heerssen wrote: [snip] > K. (I once made the 'mistake' of quoting something from out of > the 'KS circle' newsletter on the Tadream list, and it got me in real > trouble. He threatened to kick me out of the list in case I do this > again, and I unsubscribed from the KS circle immediately..man, those > Germans really don't have any kind of humour at all!! ;-) ah, was that the story with Guru Guru and that speacial tea ingredient just before that gig etc etc bla bla??? Very funny story, I remember. On the other hand, that meta-KS guy (who ensures KS an income, I suppose) was very frankly telling very private stories about KS in a reply to a private email a friend of mine once sent him (and this friend of mine did not ask for private detail but just tried to spot a track KS once gave as an encore in a concert in 1983). Promise I won't tell anybody. I'm never really sure what to think about KDM (ops, there I almost mentioned his name) or what he writes in KS CD booklets. Nevertheless, if its him who is behind the 5/10/25/50 non-tangentised CD box releases, then I'm glad he is around. a. > > Regarding the idea of TDI offering the Tangerine Tree editions, this > is even beyond wishful thinking, and would be a monstrous joke if it > would really happen! > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded They're the MIDI albums, there is no reason why they can't feed the files through new equipment and get a newer sounding album, wouldn't take a lot of work and could sound great. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded > Citeren Heiko Heerssen : > > > > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's > > web: > > > > I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of > > Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-) > > Why do they re-record or tangentize their music? > Sure you don't have to buy it if you don't like it (I don't > even have the original Melrose albums...don't like it at > all). > It's like tangentizing new material...weird. :-) > I'll see if I can tangentize some of the new albums with > mellotron sounds and Moog basses haha. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Nieuw: Wanadoo ADSL Lite voor 27,95 euro per maand! > > Meer informatie: http://www.wanadoo.nl/adsl > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Falcon Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded At 02:09 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: > > Well quiet here...;-) > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................... So, thats what you do at work. . . fascinating ;-)))))) Ramon From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded > > > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's > > web: > > > > I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions >of > > Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-) I have nothing against this kind of action if the original versions will still, however, remain avaivable. Period. >I'll see if I can tangentize some of the new albums with >mellotron sounds and Moog basses haha. > >Marcel Sounds like a good thought indeed... ;-) John Vertical np: nothing, but my dad is playing Scubert _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded >> > np: nothing, but my dad is playing Scubert > Does he mind ? From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can now buy the disk's from the show... In light of doing something that is copywrite and one can obtain for a fee, I decided not to make copies. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Gentile show > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > > I sure would like to get a recording of this show interviewing EF > (without > > the commercials which would probably bring it down to one disc) on > cd-r. Is > > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine Tree whatever# ? For > that > > matter, what about including many of the wonderful interviews from > the past > > on a tree? Heiko? > > Hi Dell, > I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an indexed version by > leaving out the commercials), but still it was much too long to make > it fit onto just 1 CDR. > > Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, I don't want to, it > does not go together well. But it would be an interesting idea for > another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD interview series ('On air') > and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this might be a good > resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with the Tangerine Tree > and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have to put it into some > other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an 'interview tree' > would be of big interest. But I find most of the interviews very > interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou Gentile show where > Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good idea. > Comments?.. > > > Heiko > > P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the persons which were > involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION', I can > imagine how much time and effort went into it, and it's worth every > second :-) > > P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or 5th time now since > two months, and therefore had to reactive my account. If there's > something I don't ever want to read again than it's surely 'bouncing > history' #*+%&$'&!! > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37096 Re: Gentile show Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Thu 11/14/2002 5 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Heiko wrote: > I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of > Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-) Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were the band's definite nadir, although the DM versions of three of the TOB tracks did breath some considerable new life into them. Actually, I quite liked Turn of the Tides... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37101 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 11/15/2002 2 KB 37102 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 11/15/2002 2 KB 37112 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Roger Hartopp gmroger Fri 11/15/2002 3 KB 37123 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 11/16/2002 4 KB 37131 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB 37132 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Sun 11/17/2002 2 KB 37114 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) quarlie@a... Quarlie Sat 11/16/2002 2 KB 37115 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 11/16/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show Gee, that was me who asked those interesting questions. Wade --- Administrator wrote: > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can > now buy the disk's from > the show... > > In light of doing something that is copywrite and > one can obtain for a fee, > I decided not to make copies. > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:32 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Gentile show > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' > wrote: > > > I sure would like to get a recording of this > show interviewing EF > > (without > > > the commercials which would probably bring it > down to one disc) on > > cd-r. Is > > > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine > Tree whatever# ? For > > that > > > matter, what about including many of the > wonderful interviews from > > the past > > > on a tree? Heiko? > > > > Hi Dell, > > I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an > indexed version by > > leaving out the commercials), but still it was > much too long to make > > it fit onto just 1 CDR. > > > > Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, > I don't want to, it > > does not go together well. But it would be an > interesting idea for > > another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD > interview series ('On air') > > and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this > might be a good > > resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with > the Tangerine Tree > > and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have > to put it into some > > other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an > 'interview tree' > > would be of big interest. But I find most of the > interviews very > > interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou > Gentile show where > > Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good > idea. > > Comments?.. > > > > > > Heiko > > > > P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the > persons which were > > involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK > COLLECTION', I can > > imagine how much time and effort went into it, and > it's worth every > > second :-) > > > > P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or > 5th time now since > > two months, and therefore had to reactive my > account. If there's > > something I don't ever want to read again than > it's surely 'bouncing > > history' #*+%&$'&!! > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 9:57 pm Subject: Re: Melrose re-recorded Ha! So my initial cynical suspicions have been confirmed. Another cash grab. I'm sure that Atlas Eyes with Iris' bongos will be 200% better. And the unreleased tracks will be stellar, like Fort Worth Runway One, and Rocky Mountain Hawk...right? Or will they actually be re-titled tracks from Edgar's 'Beyond the Storm'? Oh, sorry, TDI would never do that, would they? But hey, maybe I'm being too harsh. TD's fans obviously love this 'revisited' stuff, or they'd stop buying it, and Edgar would stop doing it...right? I-Box was the best thing ever, wasn't it? Worth every penny! Like that super-awesome demo version of Cat Scan, which was 'quite different' from the original. But now they'll overdub some even newer guitar plucking or oboe sounds, so it'll *really* rock the house. So step up and buy the Melrose Years, so Edgar will be encouraged to start working on those re-recordings of Oasis and Mars Polaris that you've been hungering for. From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show Right Wade, I just wanted to make sure everyone knew they could contact the show and get this interview... It does not need to be tree'ed esp. when it is available. I am not at my main system, so I do not have the old past handy or time to visit yahoo to dig, hence the reference post to see the show's site. I hope this clears it up for everyone. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show > Gee, that was me who asked those interesting > questions. > > Wade > --- Administrator wrote: > > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can > > now buy the disk's from > > the show... > > > > In light of doing something that is copywrite and > > one can obtain for a fee, > > I decided not to make copies. > > > > Dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:32 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Gentile show > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' > > wrote: > > > > I sure would like to get a recording of this > > show interviewing EF > > > (without > > > > the commercials which would probably bring it > > down to one disc) on > > > cd-r. Is > > > > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine > > Tree whatever# ? For > > > that > > > > matter, what about including many of the > > wonderful interviews from > > > the past > > > > on a tree? Heiko? > > > > > > Hi Dell, > > > I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an > > indexed version by > > > leaving out the commercials), but still it was > > much too long to make > > > it fit onto just 1 CDR. > > > > > > Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, > > I don't want to, it > > > does not go together well. But it would be an > > interesting idea for > > > another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD > > interview series ('On air') > > > and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this > > might be a good > > > resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with > > the Tangerine Tree > > > and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have > > to put it into some > > > other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an > > 'interview tree' > > > would be of big interest. But I find most of the > > interviews very > > > interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou > > Gentile show where > > > Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good > > idea. > > > Comments?.. > > > > > > > > > Heiko > > > > > > P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the > > persons which were > > > involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK > > COLLECTION', I can > > > imagine how much time and effort went into it, and > > it's worth every > > > second :-) > > > > > > P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or > > 5th time now since > > > two months, and therefore had to reactive my > > account. If there's > > > something I don't ever want to read again than > > it's surely 'bouncing > > > history' #*+%&$'&!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show Hi Heiko, I have produced for myself a single CDR version of the Lou Gentile show, which has a running time of just under 61 minutes. This has all the commercials, etc, edited out. It also has fade outs and fade ins on all the TD music used during the interview. I don't know about the other guys out there, but there's nothing more frustrating for me to find that a two hour Edgar Froese interview actually contains about 40 minutes of album music ! If I want to hear the music, I can simply play the actual CD. Because of this, the version I have only has the talking, and so has a shorter running time capable of being included on a single disc. Let me know if you may be interested in a copy. - Chris > Hi Dell, > I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an indexed version by > leaving out the commercials), but still it was much too long to make > it fit onto just 1 CDR. > > Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, I don't want to, it > does not go together well. But it would be an interesting idea for > another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD interview series ('On air') > and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this might be a good > resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with the Tangerine Tree > and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have to put it into some > other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an 'interview tree' > would be of big interest. But I find most of the interviews very > interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou Gentile show where > Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good idea. > Comments?.. > > > Heiko > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from you sans commercials? 8-Dell NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Wade Gordon >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) > >Gee, that was me who asked those interesting >questions. > >Wade >--- Administrator wrote: > > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can > > now buy the disk's from > > the show... _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37105 Re: Gentile show Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Fri 11/15/2002 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: >Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were >the band's definite nadir [cut] Says you! I've never understood why everyone hates TOB so much - I love it. --Daniel NP: Funker Vogt - Survivor From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] >Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were the band's definite nadir, although the DM versions of three of the TOB tracks did breath some considerable new life into them. Nadir, my ass! Rockoon rocks (and so does TOB)! In the summer time, those two get a lot of convertible play! They may not be in the same ballpark musically as Rubycon or Logos, but then, I don't think they were supposed to be... - jim From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:28 am Subject: logos... It had been a looong time since I last played Logos, because it's not really one of my favourites, but I have to say, listening to one such album (like I last did yesterday), or Stratosfear, or Force Majeure, even makes me embarassed to say 'I make some music'... those are indeed incredible. just a bit of your regular fanmail... gj np. black star, the bends, radiohead Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:03 am Subject: Re: Ommadawn <> Well, my copy is on Disky records, and is from 96, so I'm guessing it's not the HDCD. I didn't even KNOW there was an HDCD out of this album. :-( <> Huh, I never thought of it that way, but I suppose that makes sense. I guess with all the 'space rock' that was going on, Oldfield chose to offer a 'rural rock' piece, eh? :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37109 OT - the MO HDCDs Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 11/15/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show That is not a problem at all. But the commercials are incredibly funny especially the one for the dog collar. Just contact Lou at the following e-mail address: lougentile@l... Wade --- Adele Outland wrote: > Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from > you sans commercials? > 8-Dell > > NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > >From: Wade Gordon > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show > >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) > > > >Gee, that was me who asked those interesting > >questions. > > > >Wade > >--- Administrator wrote: > > > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you > can > > > now buy the disk's from > > > the show... > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:28 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #295 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #295 November 14, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc one of the two CD set 'Cloudseeder' by Wave World on the VFR label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Audion' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International who will be in concert at the next Gathering on November 16. Two Dutch Bands http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov The Gathering http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records) Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records) Steve Curtain Phase Machine I Wires On Dry Trees Turn Night Into Day (none) RMI Planets in the Wires Planets in the Wires (Northern Echo Recordins) Metlay! Annapurna 2k2 After Silence (Atomic City) VA [Fanger, Schonwalder Echo Gods [Tom van Draft First Decade 1992-2002 with Lutz Ulbrich Remix] (Manikin) Mikronesia Barron Mikronesia (none) vidnaObmana Echoes of Steel - I An Opera for Four Fusion Works (Hypnos) Wave World Star's End - Part I Cloudseeder (VFR) 12:00 am Wave World Cloudseeder Cloudseeder (VFR) Wave World Psycho Eggs Cloudseeder (VFR) Wave World Star's End - Part II Cloudseeder (VFR) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from 'Atmospheric Conditions' by Free System Projekt on the Quantum label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Games' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37113 Re: EMUSIC Playlist #295 Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 11/15/2002 2 KB 37265 Re: EMUSIC Playlist #295 Bill Fox ultramusicman Sat 11/23/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show no mp3 file of it around... ??? ;-) Wade Gordon wrote: > That is not a problem at all. But the commercials are > incredibly funny especially the one for the dog > collar. Just contact Lou at the following e-mail > address: lougentile@l... > > Wade > --- Adele Outland wrote: > >>Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from >>you sans commercials? >>8-Dell >> >>NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling >> >>As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >> >> >>>From: Wade Gordon >>>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show >>>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Gee, that was me who asked those interesting >>>questions. >>> >>>Wade >>>--- Administrator wrote: >>> >>>>last word I saw when I offered the disk was you >>>> >>can >> >>>>now buy the disk's from >>>>the show... >>>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months >>FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- > >>To unsubscribe: >>mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- > >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37111 Re: Gentile show Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Fri 11/15/2002 5 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:17 pm Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia Important news I felt compelled to cross post. --Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chuck van Zyl' To: Cc: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:54 AM Subject: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia > Following their appearance at The Gatherings Concert Series on > Saturday 16 November 2002 at 8pm in the church sanctuary of > St. Mary's Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn > campus in Univesity City Philadelphia, PA, English based > Spacemusic trio Radio Massacre International are scheduled to > play on into the night on the STAR'S END broadcast of 11.17.02. > Please tune in this week for live music by RMI and details on > their visit to Philadelphia. > > STAR'S END is webcast live every week at: http://xpn.org > > - Below excerpted from from: www.progwest.com - > > 'Fans of Klaus Schulze, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, Lustmord > and Ash Ra Tempel will find familiar elements within RMI's > music - complex, gradually developing sequencer patterns, > otherworldly atmospherics, analog synthesizers and soaring > guitar work are all integral parts of their sound. As befits a > musical outfit dedicated to improvisation and experimentation, > the 'style' of Radio Massacre International is somewhat > amorphous; it develops from album to album, but always along > a logical continuum. The first releases took their cues from the > 'Berlin school' of 1970s electronic music - the sequencer and > analog synth-driven soundscapes. Later albums add other > instruments and influences, giving the band's sound more depth > and a more experimental character. Their shows are dominated > by lengthy improvisations, ensuring that each RMI performance > is unique and memorable....' > > For more on Radio Massacre International, access their STAR'S > END Profile: http://www.starsend.org/rmi.html > > For more on the Radio Massacre International concert at The > Gatherings Concert Series, access: > http://www.thegatherings.org > - > STAR'S END broadcasts every Saturday night/Sunday morning > from 1am-6am (EDST) on: > > 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA > 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA > 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD > 104.9fm Allentown, PA > and live on the web... > - > Chuck van Zyl > Host of STAR'S END Ambient Radio > http://www.starsend.org From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: OT - the MO HDCDs Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn >Well, my copy is on Disky records, and is from >96, so I'm guessing it's not the HDCD. I didn't >even KNOW there was an HDCD out of this album. >:-( The whole Virgin catalog was remastered on HDCD. Specially recommended are all the 70s albums; the later albums, as the people at the MO list said, don't show a big difference. I have only the Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn HDCDs; the first was my first CD of HR, so I can't compare, but I had the older CD of Ommadawn and it's indeed a great difference. It's only a shame the covers and booklets are worse in the HDCDs and the liner notes are awful with a myriad of mistakes. Apart from that, the only flaw in Ommadawn HDCD is a little glitch somewhere in the first minutes of Part Two. A terrible shame in this album, which is my favourite MO album. One of the rare pieces of music that can actually bring me tears sometimes. Still gotta get the Incantations HDCD. Inc is fascinating. Five Miles Out would be nice too as it's one of my favourites and most played MO album. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:53 pm Subject: re re-recordings me, I just want a re-recording of electronic meditation ;) --T np the police 5 march 1979 UCDavis coffeehouse _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show As far as I know that is not a problem, but then again I just love the commercials. Just shoot Lou an e-mail. Wade --- Armin Theissen wrote: > no mp3 file of it around... ??? ;-) > > Wade Gordon wrote: > > > That is not a problem at all. But the commercials > are > > incredibly funny especially the one for the dog > > collar. Just contact Lou at the following e-mail > > address: lougentile@l... > > > > Wade > > --- Adele Outland wrote: > > > >>Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from > >>you sans commercials? > >>8-Dell > >> > >>NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling > >> > >>As time slips into memory, memory fades into > dreams. > >> > >> > >>>From: Wade Gordon > >>>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >>>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >>>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show > >>>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) > >>> > >>>Gee, that was me who asked those interesting > >>>questions. > >>> > >>>Wade > >>>--- Administrator wrote: > >>> > >>>>last word I saw when I offered the disk was you > >>>> > >>can > >> > >>>>now buy the disk's from > >>>>the show... > >>>> > >> > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > >>FREE* > >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > >>To unsubscribe: > >>mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >> > >>Tangerine Tree info at > >>http://www.tadream.net/tree > >> > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:01 pm Subject: Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) > 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: > > >Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were >the band's definite nadir [cut] > > Says you! I've never understood why everyone hates TOB so much - I love it. > > --Daniel > NP: Funker Vogt - Survivor Only 'Catwalk' is worth anything... I can't remember the tunes to the rest of them! > From: 'Jim Moore' > Subject: RE: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) > > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > >Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were the band's > definite nadir, although the DM versions of three of the TOB tracks did > breath some considerable new life into them. > > Nadir, my ass! Rockoon rocks (and so does TOB)! In the summer time, > those two get a lot of convertible play! They may not be in the same > ballpark musically as Rubycon or Logos, but then, I don't think they > were supposed to be... > > - jim 'Rockoon' is the better of the two with 'Big City Dwarves' certainly rocking, but I agree that these were not supposed to be 'in the same ballpark' as the stuff we know and love. Personally, the guitar was far too intrusive. But then as I dislike the gutitar dominated albums, so I quite like some of the vocal albums which I know gets under a lot of folks' noses here. (On the subject of the guitar being too intrusive, does anyone think Gerald Gradwuhl's guitar kind of wrecks the mix on TT Volume 15 at Warsaw?). When 'Oasis', 'What A Blast' and 'Mars Polaris' came out I was thankful there's still life in the old dog yet (no guitars and no guest musicians either!). But they continue to perplex us sometimes (Seven Letters of Tibet, Inferno)... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37123 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 11/16/2002 4 KB 37131 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB 37132 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Sun 11/17/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #295 >Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records) >Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records) Just a little comment I felt like doing, Audion is amazing. I highly recommend it. Great mood, and I always think of a big metropolis at night, raining, Blade Runner etc, when I listen to it. Very nice way to start this radio show. A pity I don't have an EM show on my radio here. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: >Only 'Catwalk' is worth anything... I can't remember the tunes to the rest >of them! Well, that doesn't mean they're not there. Give it another listen. --Daniel NP: Forma Tadre - Navigator From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) >(On the subject of the guitar being too intrusive, does anyone think >Gerald Gradwuhl's guitar kind of wrecks the mix on TT Volume 15 at >Warsaw?). > >Roger Hartopp Perhaps... on Comet's Figure Head and Lamb with Radar Eyes I find it slightly out-of-tune. Elsewhere not bad. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:19 am Subject: Remastering software Hi, a question to all of Heiko's remastering buddies : What software do you use ? Do you use special hardware ? Ramon From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 11:46 am Subject: Arcane Hi I would just like to respond to a couple of messages placed on the TDI forum . Firstly , none of the music on my Arcane releases is 'Copied' in any way .Of course it sounds like TD , thats the idea .Like people playing the blues , its a *style* that can be identified and mimicked . All of the sounds are from commercially available sample CDs : 'XXLARGE ANALOGUE DREAMS' and 'VINTAGE KEYS ' I have never implied that the Arcane sound is anything other than TD based (dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a tribute , Can Attilla is a tribute band and that is almost blantant copying) Also I believe that the tongue-in-cheek band story of Arcane upset some of the more sensitive among you , so for that I apologise .It was only ever a bit of fun to create some interest in the CDs . As for insulting Edgar . I admit to being vocal about albums I do not like , this is what a lot of other people/fans do also (read some of the recent comments on TOTTides and TOBetc) Arcane, is a little pocket-money hobby to me .There is no 'Success',Fame or Fotune with it . Lets not take things out of proportion ! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37119 Re: Arcane Steven Feldman losmara Sat 11/16/2002 3 KB 37124 Re: Arcane Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/16/2002 2 KB 37120 Re: Arcane Paul Lawler lawlermusic Sat 11/16/2002 4 KB 37121 Re: Arcane Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 11/16/2002 2 KB 37122 Re: Arcane Steven Feldman losmara Sat 11/16/2002 2 KB 37125 Re: Arcane Paul Lawler lawlermusic Sat 11/16/2002 3 KB 37126 Re: Arcane Olav Neander Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB 37127 Arcane Paul Lawler lawlermusic Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:20 pm Subject: Electronic Meditation Bought this the other day. Not bad. Overall sound resembles perhaps mostly Atem and Ultima Thule out of the other Pink Years stuff. Pieces end surprizingly suddendly and are peppered with them strange yet funny voices... Genesis is nice introductory cello and tomtoms texture; it resembles some of the pre-Phaedra 70s live stuff if you ask me. -Resurrection is quite similar, apart the manthric beginning. Journey Through A Burning Brain is the piece I like the most. Springy guitar leads into beautiful organ, which develops into nice rock passage, fading out with organ again. Not very TD-ish, but I like it! I find Cold Smoke the most psychedelic work on the album. The initial creepy organ and violent crashes, the manic drumming, the insane guitar playing, and the shock-like end... brrrr-rrr. Leaves a bad aftertaste. Ashes to Ashes is bluesy, even jazzy. OK but not special. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37141 Re: Electronic Meditation Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 11/18/2002 2 KB 37143 Re: Electronic Meditation Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Mon 11/18/2002 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:46:38 -0000 'Paul Lawler' writes: >I would just like to respond to a couple of messages placed >on the TDI forum. Firstly, none of the music on my Arcane >releases is 'Copied' in any way. Of course it sounds like >TD, thats the idea. Errr, I dunno. sometimes, your chord progressions are awfully close -- sometimes even with the same sort of synth sounds. I'm not complaining, mind you: I love it when your stuff is like that. :) >I have never implied that the Arcane sound is anything other >than TD based [. . .] Really? I thought I'd heard you claim that ALTERSTILL was unlike GATHER DARKNESS and FUTURE WRECK in that it was not a TD aping. And by the way, I ordered a copy of this CD from mp3.com, and it's spent more time in my CD changer than any other CD for the past month or so. As a unit, I prefer it to your other albums; your other albums might have better individual tracks, but taken as a whole, ATERSTILL is my fave disk of yours. It's really a pity it's only out as a CD-R and as a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc. >[. . . ] (dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a >tribute, Can Attilla is a tribute band and that is almost >blantant copying) Um, I really don't see that much of a difference between Arcane and Can Attila, as far as imitating TD goes. The same goes for Airscupture, Redshift, and Under the Dome (all of which are bands I like quite a bit). I do see a difference between TD and Radio Massacre International, but RMI is not exactly one of my favorites (I prefer RAMP and The Nightcrawlers, for two). >Paul Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37124 Re: Arcane Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steven Feldman' To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane Errr, I dunno. sometimes, your chord progressions are awfully close -- sometimes even with the same sort of synth sounds. I'm not complaining, mind you: I love it when your stuff is like that. :) * Well there is no intentional rip-off scam going on . I know what kind of chords TD use and what kind of chords they wouldn`t use . I also know what kind of sounds they would have used in the era that Arcane is influenced by , and I have stuck to this formula on purpose . I am not , and have never claimed that the Arcane style is an original musical idea .Remember , I compose for a living .Its easy to imitate styles when you know what to look for musically . >I have never implied that the Arcane sound is anything other >than TD based [. . .] Really? I thought I'd heard you claim that ALTERSTILL was unlike GATHER DARKNESS and FUTURE WRECK in that it was not a TD aping. * No I`ve never said this .My new album Resurrection using the name Max Van Richter is the one I claim to be much further away from the TD sound .Alterstill was a selection of odd Arcane tracks I had lying around , hence it only being a CDR . >[. . . ] (dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a >tribute, Can Attilla is a tribute band and that is almost >blantant copying) Um, I really don't see that much of a difference between Arcane and Can Attila, as far as imitating TD goes. * We'll have to agree to dis-agree on this one . The same goes for Airscupture, Redshift, and Under the Dome (all of which are bands I like quite a bit). I do see a difference between TD and Radio Massacre International, but RMI is not exactly one of my favorites (I prefer RAMP and The Nightcrawlers, for two). *This is it you see .Most of these bands are TD fans trying to recreate the music that TD do not make anymore .I doubt that any of them are claiming to be doing it better ! How can they , they do it part time in their bedroom without the backing of record lables and Synth manufacturers .What harm is it doing ? people like the albums these guys are putting out . TD aren't doing it anymore so why shouldn`t we ? There is no devine right saying that only TD should ever venture into this style of music , and in the words of Edgar 'If you dont like it , dont buy it .....and stop fu**ing moaning !' I think thats what he said ;) Paul From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane Steven Feldman wrote: > > (...) but taken as a whole, ATERSTILL is > my fave disk of yours. It's really a pity it's only out as > a CD-R and as a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc. I think that the version sold by SMD is not a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc. Paul? My favorite Arcane album is also Alterstill, and Future Wreck is a close second. Resurection is great too. Antonio Nunes np: Max van Richter - Resurrection From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:23:03 +0000 Antonio Nunes writes: > Steven Feldman wrote: > > > > (...) but taken as a whole, ATERSTILL is > > my fave disk of yours. It's really a pity it's only out as > > a CD-R and as a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc. > > I think that the version sold by SMD is not a converted mp3 > burned-to-order disc. Paul? The SMD disc is a CD-R, but I hate CD-Rs, since if and when they get scratched, you're screwed. The mp3 disk has inferior sound, but it's a real CD, not a CD-R. And it was cheaper than if I got it on import from SMD (gee, but I wish Groove Unlimited still carried ALTERSTILL; their prices were and are so much better than SMD's). > Antonio Nunes Steven Feldman From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) >Only 'Catwalk' is worth anything... I can't remember the tunes to the rest >of them! Like I've been saying over the years (wow, I can already say that, it seems like it was yesterday I first heard Quichotte I, my first contact with TD in august'99).... where were I? ...been saying over the years, every time I listen to albums like TOB, GC, TOTT, I find them better than when I last heard them. Of course, for the millionth time, you can't compare them to . I find them in many aspects as 'hard' as, for example, Zeit or any other pink years album. Still, in those pink years, you can find beautiful things, like the haunting ending of AC, the intro of Zeit and Atem, Wahn... The same thing seems to happen with TOB & Co. The last time I heard TOB, and I think I mentioned that here, I found some very nice sounds like the solos of a certain track which name, of course, I don't remember. It's a solo of one instrument, instantly changing to another and then another one. Well my point is, I always give those albums another chance, even if it's one chance a year. They, bizarrely, can surprise me sometimes. Still, I find extremely unlikely they will move me like Poland does, or AC, or That Sequence in Force Majeure, or Silver Scale, or the Quichotte intro, or Invisible Limits, White Eagle (title track), Midnight in Tula (which was what got me hooked), Song of the Whale, Tyger (how dare I! but it's beautiful!), Central Park etc etc etc etc etc etc. not to mention London RAH 75. btw, I couldn't care less about these new versions. I say bring Purgatory on. -GJ who happens to be reading the Divine Comedy. but is lazy to do it; should have finished it by now but just 1/3 of Inferno has been read. well I've been reading Dragon Ball instead. ;-) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37131 Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane At 06:44 PM 11/16/2002, you wrote: >ATERSTILL is >my fave disk of yours. Wait a minute, SMD claims, that the last track from that cdr is a live piece from 1977 (by the founder), is that right ? A bit confused now. . . Ramon From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Falcon' To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane > At 06:44 PM 11/16/2002, you wrote: > >ATERSTILL is > >my fave disk of yours. > > Wait a minute, SMD claims, that the last track from that cdr is a live > piece from 1977 (by the founder), is that right ? > A bit confused now. . . > Basically , Arcane is a sham :) made up band history/members story etc simply so it would create a little more interest on the first release , which it did .SMD tell me there was a radio show that held a competition to guess who Arcane really was .People sent letters to SMD claiming they had de-coded the story and worked out that Arcane was actually Chris Franke .Others thought it was Mark Shreeve etc .This would *never* have happened if we simply said 'Paul Lawler is releasing a retro album' . Some people actually *got* the joke covers and band pics , some people didn`t .Arcane is me , and me alone , as is Max Richter .Why ? because I only want 'Paul Lawler' to be known for my day job which is soundtrack work . Paul From: Olav Neander Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane Hi Paul! First of all: My favourite Arcane album is 'Alterstill' :-) Paul Lawler schrieb: >Firstly , none of the music on my Arcane releases is 'Copied' in any way .Of >course it sounds like TD , thats the idea .Like people playing the blues , >its a *style* that can be identified and mimicked . > >(dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a tribute , Can Attilla is a >tribute band and that is almost blantant copying) > Really interesting definitions... May I ask you whether you consider my song 'Cytherean Dreams' as a song in Berlin style (I used some samples from the original Mellotron Akai CD) , as a copy (I have to admit that I used a chord progression from 'Big sleep...' ans some 'Sorcerer' influenced sequences...) or a tribye (that's waht I originally tried to compose :-) All the best, and keep up your good work, Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 11:56 am Subject: Arcane ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Olav Neander' To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane > Hi Paul! Hi Olav > > First of all: My favourite Arcane album is 'Alterstill' :-) Thanks ! > Really interesting definitions... > > May I ask you whether you consider my song 'Cytherean Dreams' as a song > in Berlin style (I used some samples from the original Mellotron Akai > CD) , as a copy (I have to admit that I used a chord progression from > 'Big sleep...' ans some 'Sorcerer' influenced sequences...) or a tribye > (that's waht I originally tried to compose :-) I only say that Can Atilla are a Tribute band because that is how they describe themselves .They deliberately tried to sound as close as possible . Paul > > All the best, and keep up your good work, > > Olav > > Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - > ICQ# 9622825 > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:43 pm Subject: classic T-Shirts Hello all, on the Tangerine Dream HP is now the voting for the classic T-Shirt closed. Also you can read on this page that 3 T-Shirts you can buy on the TD Homepage next week for each US $ 25 without shipping, and only available in size XL. I think following: Why only size XL? and second Is US $ 25 without shipping for only one T-shirt just a little bit expensive? Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37129 119 pictures from the UNDERGROUND/Auf Scheisser... film online now! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Sun 11/17/2002 2 KB 37130 Re: classic T-Shirts Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Sun 11/17/2002 2 KB 37133 Re: classic T-Shirts Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: 119 pictures from the UNDERGROUND/Auf Scheisser... film online now! Hi! Well, I needed a little bit longer, but it`s done! I put 119 pictures (yes: 119) from the UNDERGROUND video onto my UNDERGROUND special page. See: www.rutka.de/td The ltd. sets of 12 numbered and marked (in the film) copies of the video-Cd are sent! The 'normal' set will be prepared this week and the first bulk of disk will be send out during the next week, too. Have fun! Rainer www.rutka.de/td From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic T-Shirts On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, heineu wrote: > I think following: > Why only size XL? Because this fits to Jerome`s size! I can use them as night shirts (the kids, too!) Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) On Saturday 16 November 2002 8:11 pm, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Co. The last time I heard TOB, and I think I mentioned that here, I found > some very nice sounds like the solos of a certain track which name, of > course, I don't remember. It's a solo of one instrument, instantly changing > to another and then another one. I think you mean 'Living in a Fountain pen', in which the guitar, saxophone and keyboards pass around the lead line around the middle of the track. As far as listening to the Seattle albums over and over again is concerned, I think I agree with you. There are moments even in ToB that have grown on me over the years, including the one you mention. But overall, I still get the impression that the album is one of the weaker ones of recent years, and always straying perilously close to self-absorption. Dennis From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded) On Friday 15 November 2002 7:01 pm, Roger Hartopp wrote: > here. (On the subject of the guitar being too intrusive, does anyone think > Gerald Gradwuhl's guitar kind of wrecks the mix on TT Volume 15 at > Warsaw?). On the contrary, I thought that TT15 was one of the few occasions I know about where the guitar and the bongos didn't spoil the fun. I thought Gradwohl's guitar was quite measured and appropriate in most places. Dennis From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic T-Shirts It's not a little expensive, it's very expensive. --- heineu wrote: > Hello all, > > on the Tangerine Dream HP is now the voting for the > classic T-Shirt > closed. Also you can read on this page that 3 > T-Shirts you can buy on > the TD Homepage next week for each US $ 25 without > shipping, and only > available in size XL. > > I think following: > Why only size XL? > > and second > > Is US $ 25 without shipping for only one T-shirt > just a little bit > expensive? > > Cheers > heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Classic Tree Update The SHN and Redbook discs for the Classic Tree (all 118 of them!) will be going in the mail to the level 1 branches over the next few days. If you haven't contacted your branch yet to make arrangements, you should do so now. (See http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm for your supplier). There are 10 Redbook discs, and 6 SHN discs. The covers are on the SHN discs and will be available to download shortly for those receiving Redbook copies. Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'dat_dream' Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: another Lisner query I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find anything in the archives. After listening to TT Vol 4, d2 again I can't help but think that 'Octagon' (track 5), listed as the second encore, might actually be a soundcheck. This track oddly lacks applause or crowd noises. If it's the second encore there should be lots of whoopin' and hollerin' but there's nothing of the sort. But it does have background noises that I would associate w/ stage setup. So you have 'Professor Mota' doing his interview w/ Chris (track 4) and then a little later he says, 'They are here coming back...' The question I have, is did they come back to play a second encore or for Edgar's closing words (track 6)? This is not meant in any way to disparage those who put this fine bit of emusic history together. This was simply some thoughts I had upon listening to this, and I'm curious as to if anyone else had a similar reaction. There may quite possibly be no absolute resolution of this trivial query. Show of hands: Who among us was there? Those w/ your hands raised: Who was NOT partaking in some sort of mind altering experience that might, ahem, affect your recollection of the sequence of events? ;-) Any hands left? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37136 Re: another Lisner query John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 11/17/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] another Lisner query >After listening to TT Vol 4, d2 again I can't help but think that >'Octagon' (track 5), listed as the second encore, might actually >be a soundcheck. This track oddly lacks applause or crowd >noises. If it's the second encore there should be lots of whoopin' >and hollerin' but there's nothing of the sort. But it does have >background noises that I would associate w/ stage setup. > >So you have 'Professor Mota' doing his interview w/ Chris (track >4) and then a little later he says, 'They are here coming back...' >The question I have, is did they come back to play a second >encore or for Edgar's closing words (track 6)? Nice theory; and there's also the strange thing at the beginning of Chris Franke interview - prof. Mota says something like 'wow, a second encore' though they haven't played Octagon II yet. So this would make Drywater Rush the first encore, and Rain in Spain the second... but if it's this way, where're the announcements between the 2nd set (Monolith) and the first encore (Dryw. Rush)? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 9:26 pm Subject: yahoo Once again I got the message from Yahoo that my mail bounced. Seems the error this time was content rejected on Nov 14. Since I will be away for a few days I wont keep checking this. It's getting frustrating dealing with this it seems every week. So I may or may not be back to the list. Dale From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:17 pm Subject: TD T Shirts Hi to all. If you go to any concert in the US the average price for T shirts is $30 to $35 and it seems you can only get L or XL __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:21 pm Subject: Adm Leaving:-( Please don't give up Dale. I'll miss all the pirate references __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:48 am Subject: test test dale From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 6:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic Meditation --- John Vertical wrote: > Bought this the other day. Where exactly? I have tried to find that album but no one has it in their stocks. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37143 Re: Electronic Meditation Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Mon 11/18/2002 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:21 am Subject: Shall I download this file? While mucking about with an old tape machine(open reels), I found a piece of TD history! I must have recorded some music from the Streethawk show when broadcast here in the UK. The main pieces of interest are the Le Parc theme from the start of the pilot and various bits from the show. I have 'recorded' these pieces to the PC, but they are & & 14 mb's in size! If I convert to mp3, they may be a lot smaller. Shall I place these in a folder at yahoo groups for you all? Paulus.d_uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37145 Re: Shall I download this file? John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 11/18/2002 2 KB 37146 Re: Shall I download this file? Falcon ppgwave2000 Mon 11/18/2002 2 KB 37153 Re: Shall I download this file? Robert Asmus plastics67 Mon 11/18/2002 3 KB 37158 Re: Shall I download this file? Mr Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 11/19/2002 2 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic Meditation At 22:09 17-11-02 -0800, you wrote: >--- John Vertical wrote: > > Bought this the other day. > >Where exactly? I have tried to find that album but no >one has it in their stocks. www.groove.nl >Regards, >Marko Marin > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 NL-8203 AD Lelystad Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Update Hello, Maff, I would like to contact my 'parent' but what's his email address ? All the best, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree Update > The SHN and Redbook discs for the Classic Tree (all 118 of them!) will be going > in the mail to the level 1 branches over the next few days. If you haven't > contacted your branch yet to make arrangements, you should do so now. (See > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm for your > supplier). > > There are 10 Redbook discs, and 6 SHN discs. The covers are on the SHN discs and > will be available to download shortly for those receiving Redbook copies. > > > Maff > _________________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shall I download this file? >While mucking about with an old tape machine(open reels), I found a piece >of TD history! >I must have recorded some music from the Streethawk show when broadcast >here in the UK. >The main pieces of interest are the Le Parc theme from the start of the >pilot and various bits from the show. >I have 'recorded' these pieces to the PC, but they are & & 14 mb's in size! >If I convert to mp3, they may be a lot smaller. Shall I place these in a >folder at yahoo groups for you all? >Paulus.d_uk Sounds nice to me, but it's Joe who you need to obtain the permission from... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37146 Re: Shall I download this file? Falcon ppgwave2000 Mon 11/18/2002 2 KB 37153 Re: Shall I download this file? Robert Asmus plastics67 Mon 11/18/2002 3 KB From: Falcon Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shall I download this file? At 03:10 PM 11/18/2002, you wrote: >Sounds nice to me, but it's Joe who you need to obtain the permission >from... Actually, from the film company, too. . . Ramon From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:41 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams Hi everyone After three weeks out home for various record fairs, i'm back ... with good news. The Dreamwatchers' Tales is now on final process. The title : Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams. The artworks are currently on progress with a surrealistic/industrial way (a very special bichromic visual). I have received the tracks from the following : Döktor Strange Pergamon Ionic James Owens Satsuma Nightmare Olivier Briand Paul Ellis Gustavo Jobim Fred Yargui Darklion Rik Rollins Nightbirds Gilles Hemery 3N I'm waiting for tracks from the other contributors like : Conrad Gobbons Olyam Richard Ford Dream Conspiracy David Hughes Miles mcMillan There will be some collaboration tracks I already have the Ionic - Wes Antczak track and i'm waiting for the Darklion - Olyam and the Darklion - Nightbirds tracks. I hope to get the missng tracks soon because we wanted to work in december on the mastering and finalised the entire project for January as usual. the contributors who didn't send their tracks yet are invited to contact me for confirmation or cancelling. Waiting for reactions Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37148 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams maggior maggior Mon 11/18/2002 3 KB 37155 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 11/19/2002 2 KB From: 'maggior' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:52 pm Subject: Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams This is great news Yannick! I was afraid it was going to be cancelled since there wasn't much buzz going on about it. If this installment is half as good as the previous two, it will be great. As soon as a tree is announced for this, I'll be signing up! Rich Maggio --- In tadream@y..., 'Yannick EDOM' wrote: > Hi everyone > > After three weeks out home for various record fairs, i'm back ... with good > news. > > The Dreamwatchers' Tales is now on final process. > > The title : Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams. > > The artworks are currently on progress with a surrealistic/industrial way (a > very special bichromic visual). > > I have received the tracks from the following : > > Döktor Strange > Pergamon > Ionic > James Owens > Satsuma Nightmare > Olivier Briand > Paul Ellis > Gustavo Jobim > Fred Yargui > Darklion > Rik Rollins > Nightbirds > Gilles Hemery > 3N > > > I'm waiting for tracks from the other contributors like : > > Conrad Gobbons > Olyam > Richard Ford > Dream Conspiracy > David Hughes > Miles mcMillan > > There will be some collaboration tracks > > I already have the Ionic - Wes Antczak track and i'm waiting for the > Darklion - Olyam and the Darklion - Nightbirds tracks. > > I hope to get the missng tracks soon because we wanted to work in december > on the mastering and finalised the entire project for January as usual. > > the contributors who didn't send their tracks yet are invited to contact me > for confirmation or cancelling. > > Waiting for reactions > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Update From: 'Fred Yargui' > I would like to contact my 'parent' but what's his email address ? Anyone having trouble finding the email address for their branch, you can look up details like this on the Classic Tree database at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database Maff From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Update Thanks a lot, Maff ! Cheers, Fred PS : Greetings to Yannick, the DreamMaker guy who indirectly allowed me to find a 1982-LP called 'Erebus' made by french (and Italian ?) synthesists 'Zadri & Mo'. A great piece. ----- Original Message ----- > > Anyone having trouble finding the email address for their branch, you can look > up details like this on the Classic Tree database at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database > > > Maff > > From: 'sequentc' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:28 am Subject: Dilema I have been listening to the official (excluding soundtracks + bootlegs) TD albums in chronological order......starting with Electronic Meditation....I have just finished Atem .... do I listen to Pheadra next or Green Desert.... or should Green Desert be played after Underwater Sunlight? Comments please? Q. Who has the source tapes to Atem ...as the new re-issue [2002] appears to originate from a LP source? Or am I wrong perhaps? Ray Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37152 Re: Dilema Fred Yargui fredyargui Mon 11/18/2002 4 KB 37154 Re: Dilema Synthhtnys@a... Mon 11/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dilema Hello, Ray and Dreamers, haha, I was also with this question for a while, for I decided to make a tracklist collection of TD in chonological order. in fact, Voices in the Net is a good source to make a choice : You can make a 'logical ' and 'chrono-logical' playlist according to the date of recording or according to the date of release... As I wasn't satisfied either, I made another series of tracklist with a compilation of random and shuffled pieces taken among my favorites (including tagentized and bootlegged pieces) My next work is to do more tracklists from entire sides of 'pseudo' LPs (to have a good deal of dream-time ;o) I think I am intoxicated with TD stuff (all eras ;o) If you're interested in the track list, I'll put them on my web (in reconstruction for a good time, but it works ;o)) Best Regards, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'sequentc' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:28 AM Subject: [tadream] Dilema > I have been listening to the official (excluding soundtracks + bootlegs) TD > albums in chronological order......starting with Electronic Meditation....I > have just finished Atem .... do I listen to Pheadra next or Green Desert.... > or should Green Desert be played after Underwater Sunlight? Comments > please? > > Q. Who has the source tapes to Atem ...as the new re-issue [2002] appears to > originate from a LP source? Or am I wrong perhaps? > > Ray > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shall I download this file? Please do....... :) -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:11 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Shall I download this file? >While mucking about with an old tape machine(open reels), I found a piece >of TD history! >I must have recorded some music from the Streethawk show when broadcast >here in the UK. >The main pieces of interest are the Le Parc theme from the start of the >pilot and various bits from the show. >I have 'recorded' these pieces to the PC, but they are & & 14 mb's in size! >If I convert to mp3, they may be a lot smaller. Shall I place these in a >folder at yahoo groups for you all? >Paulus.d_uk Sounds nice to me, but it's Joe who you need to obtain the permission from... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dilema In a message dated 11/18/2002 11:24:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, sequentc@h... writes: > do I listen to Pheadra next or Green Desert.... > or should Green Desert be played after Underwater Sunlight? Comments > please? > *AFTER Underwater Sunlight. I would think that listening to them in this order would make it obvious. Doesn't it stick out like a sore thumb? I mean they didn't even really play chord progressions until much later and the sounds themselves? They're mostly from a PPG... which didn't even exist until the '80's The only thing I can hear on there that just MIGHT have been recorded back then was the drums..... I think sonically and compositionally it's painfully obvious that it was almost completely done much later Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams >The Dreamwatchers' Tales is now on final process. That's very good to know. I can't wait to hear it! That reminds me, I should listen to DWT 1 and 2 more often, both great collections, specially DWT 2, in general, for me. btw, I hope you'll like my humble contribution. It's again something different from the other two tracks I've made for this very nice project. GJ (having dinner) np: Brahms' 4th symphony in E minor. wonderful! ack! pepper on my fish! damn! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: Rolf Elfström Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:14 am Subject: DSC download? I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree... Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available? If so, please contact me offlist! Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37157 Re: DSC download? Fred Yargui fredyargui Tue 11/19/2002 2 KB 37159 Re: DSC download? Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Tue 11/19/2002 3 KB 37168 Re: DSC download? vic rek kyivmission Tue 11/19/2002 4 KB 37169 Re: DSC download? Dan K dxkim Tue 11/19/2002 2 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download? Hello, Dreamers, It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o) Bye, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Rolf Elfström' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [tadream] DSC download? > I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree... > Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available? > > If so, please contact me offlist! > > Rolf > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37159 Re: DSC download? Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Tue 11/19/2002 3 KB From: Mr Paul Dryden Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shall I download this file? > Please do....... :) > conversion to mp3 brings all the parts down to below 1mb, just OK to place on our sites 'files' directory at yahoo... Those who want to listen, just go and download from there (I'll upload tonight 19th Nov) I've not equalised or mastered the recordings in any way, if you want to do this yourself then feel free.... PAulus.d_UK PS see you on Feb 2003 > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download? Hi all, About the DSC. I have sent all initial branch copies out, so the tree is well underway. But: Please note that I have done my bit. I will not allocate branches to leaves, keep a track of who has or has not been supplied, add to or update the database, chase people, provide SHN downloads, etc... So what we need is someone other than Morgan Feldon to administer the tree (Morgan is very quiet at the moment and seems to be rather behind on his trades/burning). Any volunteers? I haven't heard many reactions to the set itself either, don't be shy :-) Paul on 19/11/02 12:51, Fred Yargui at fredericyargui@w... wrote: > Hello, Dreamers, > > It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o) > > Bye, > > Fred > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Rolf Elfström' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM > Subject: [tadream] DSC download? > > >> I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree... >> Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available? >> >> If so, please contact me offlist! >> >> Rolf >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /Streethawk pilot.mp3 Uploaded by : paulus_d2002 Description : MP3 audio file of 'Streethawk'pilot theme You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk pilot.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, paulus_d2002 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37173 Re: New file uploaded to tadream TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:21 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /Streethawk clip.mp3 Uploaded by : paulus_d2002 Description : Clip from programme You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk clip.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, paulus_d2002 From: 'paulus_d2002' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: Paulus.d uploading Streethawk themes Uploaded streethawk pieces tonight. Just noticed they use up more than half of the total files space at yahoo. This is probably not a good idea, so those who wish to download these- please do! if any moderator or admin want me to remove the files I will do so imediately. Have fun!!!!! Paulus.d_uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37163 Paulus.d uploading Streethawk themes paulus_d2002 paulus_d2002 Tue 11/19/2002 2 KB From: 'paulus_d2002' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:31 pm Subject: Paulus.d uploading Streethawk themes Uploaded streethawk pieces tonight. Just noticed they use up more than half of the total files space at yahoo. This is probably not a good idea, so those who wish to download these- please do! if any moderator or admin want me to remove the files I will do so imediately. Have fun!!!!! Paulus.d_uk From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:34 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /Streethawk end.mp3 Uploaded by : paulus_d2002 Description : Ending theme You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk end.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, paulus_d2002 From: David Butler Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:46 pm Subject: Sean and Paul Sean, I just love your sense of humor. Why is Feldman attacking Paul? Aren't we all friends here? If I had the equipment, I'd put out a complete rip-off of Stratosfear and call myself Tangelo Nightmare or something. As soon as my lottery check comes in...oh, you actually have to buy a ticket to win...damn. Me...I can't wait til they tangentize and rerecord those crappy live albums Logos and Poland. Anyway, that should be enough to piss somebody off, only because you can't hear my tone of voice while I'm typing. I guess nobody cared about my Rolling Stones story....David NP...Dwight Yoakum...'guitars and cadillacs and hillbilly music...' __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:09 pm Subject: Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? Even though TD hasn't been especially prudent regarding the rights to their work in the past, I'm sure they own most of the rights to all their performances, especially the totally improvised shows from the '70s. And even if they didn't, I'm sure they could pay royalties to the owners to release this type of material. That said, I wonder why they don't sell any merchandise on their website? No t-shirts, stickers, anything. Seems like every other band sells just about every item imaginable with their logo on it. Why not TD? Scott >Sticky, when they may not have the rights to their own works at certain >concerts. Not to mention a lot of these where recorded in the audience not >exactly on the up and up. (most concerts have that forbid thing on recorders >and cameras). Not that it can't be done, but how much effort and time. Not >that it would not be worth it either. Then there are always the tapes in the >secret TD Safe that may hold some tid bits of gold and precious gems. > >Dale > >Any cat burglars out there? (stay away from my cats!) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Winston' >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM >Subject: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI? > > >> What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other >> trees: >> * TD could make some extra money, >> * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and >> * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able >> to find it and buy it. >> (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold >> in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that >> doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.) >> -WBE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37167 Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? goozergrafx goozergrafx Tue 11/19/2002 4 KB From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:49 pm Subject: Re: TaDream Trees by TDI? This has been beaten to death, but just won't stay buried. TD do not own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label! Clear? goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Scott' wrote: > Even though TD hasn't been especially prudent regarding the rights to their > work in the past, I'm sure they own most of the rights to all their > performances, especially the totally improvised shows from the '70s. And > even if they didn't, I'm sure they could pay royalties to the owners to > release this type of material. > > That said, I wonder why they don't sell any merchandise on their website? No > t-shirts, stickers, anything. Seems like every other band sells just about > every item imaginable with their logo on it. Why not TD? > > Scott > > > > >Sticky, when they may not have the rights to their own works at certain > >concerts. Not to mention a lot of these where recorded in the audience not > >exactly on the up and up. (most concerts have that forbid thing on > recorders > >and cameras). Not that it can't be done, but how much effort and time. Not > >that it would not be worth it either. Then there are always the tapes in > the > >secret TD Safe that may hold some tid bits of gold and precious gems. > > > >Dale > > > >Any cat burglars out there? (stay away from my cats!) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'Winston' > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM > >Subject: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI? > > > > > >> What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other > >> trees: > >> * TD could make some extra money, > >> * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and > >> * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able > >> to find it and buy it. > >> (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold > >> in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that > >> doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.) > >> -WBE From: 'vic rek' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download? I have the DSC set and I am only supporting three branches (already assigned), which I will mail out by the end of this month. I will not accept any new branches or trade offers at this time since this is only what I signed up to in the beginning. I'm sure the sets will make their way around, but I have to warn you that is not the great concert material we often talk about - this is more for the hardcore fan and not as exciting as some of the concerts that deserved to be 'tree'd' IMO. As for downloads, I am against them just in case you wonder, for personal reasons. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download? > Hi all, > > About the DSC. I have sent all initial branch copies out, so the tree is > well underway. But: > > Please note that I have done my bit. I will not allocate branches to leaves, > keep a track of who has or has not been supplied, add to or update the > database, chase people, provide SHN downloads, etc... So what we need is > someone other than Morgan Feldon to administer the tree (Morgan is very > quiet at the moment and seems to be rather behind on his trades/burning). > > Any volunteers? > > I haven't heard many reactions to the set itself either, don't be shy :-) > > Paul > > on 19/11/02 12:51, Fred Yargui at fredericyargui@w... wrote: > > > Hello, Dreamers, > > > > It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o) > > > > Bye, > > > > Fred > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Rolf Elfström' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM > > Subject: [tadream] DSC download? > > > > > >> I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree... > >> Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available? > >> > >> If so, please contact me offlist! > >> > >> Rolf > >> > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Dan K Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] DSC download? And me as well ;) Thank you! Dan >Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:51:52 +0100 > From: 'Fred Yargui' >Subject: Re: DSC download? > >Hello, Dreamers, > >It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o) > >Bye, > >Fred > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Rolf Elfström' >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM >Subject: [tadream] DSC download? > > > I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree... > Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available? > > If so, please contact me offlist! > > Rolf > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:14 am Subject: OFF-TOPIC Kurweil K2000 programs/sounds Hi I have just pulled out my old dusty K2000, from the closet, and put it in my studio. My sound-library is a bit old though.......does anyone here have some great sounds for this machine or know some obscure link where I can download some??????? (not sweetwater) Thanks Jan From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:29 am Subject: TD website discussion forum I've just read the last few postings in the 'forum' section of the official TD website and have to say that I am disappointed about the administrator ('admin') who runs it. Compared to our discussion list the topics and postings were for the most part just kid stuff, but it seems it was more than enough for the administrator to write things like: 'This forum is meant to be a place for TD interested people around the world to share their opinions about various issues and it's not a 'junk yard' where frustrated beings can unload their emotional crap.....UNDERSTOOD?' or 'A debate about censorship, free speech and all this...blah, blah, blah......will be useless... i'm completely deaf on that ear' not only do I find this insulting but also highly questionable of him to write such things in public, even if he had a 'bad hair day'. I guess it's only a matter of days before the forum will be closed again (just like the guestbook on the old TD website) But it really makes me wonder what he expects from us TD fans..some sort of a 'kiss bottom' fan legion? Hey, it's a FORUM and should be seen as such. I have nothing against deleting messages which deal with the naming or offering of bootlegs, or really insulting messages, but give me a break. If someone is not allowed to say that he dislikes the newer albums the forum is of no use. I've exchanged a couple of emails with the Administrator before and he came along as a friendly person..guess i have to send another mail again to ask him about the current 'status quo' of the forum ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37172 Re: TD website discussion forum Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/20/2002 4 KB 37192 Re: TD website discussion forum bjoernsip bjoernsip Thu 11/21/2002 5 KB 37195 Re: TD website discussion forum / shirts TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 8 KB 37197 Re: Martin's post Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Thu 11/21/2002 10 KB 37199 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37205 Re: Martin's post moxica@a... moxica93 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37212 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 2 KB 37213 Re: Martin's post Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37220 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD website discussion forum I haven't visited that particular forum too often (I wonder why?) but I will agree with you anyway. As you propably know what you're talking about... for the most of the time. ;-) And yes, it's full of that 'kid stuff' but I suppose the forum attracts more rookie-fans than this discussion list. Regards, Marko Marin --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I've just read the last few postings in the 'forum' > section of the > official TD website and have to say that I am > disappointed about the > administrator ('admin') who runs it. Compared to our > discussion list the > topics and postings were for the most part just kid > stuff, but it seems > it was more than enough for the administrator to > write things like: > > 'This forum is meant to be a place for TD interested > people around the > world to share their opinions about various issues > and it's not a 'junk > yard' where frustrated beings can unload their > emotional > crap.....UNDERSTOOD?' > > or > > 'A debate about censorship, free speech and all > this...blah, blah, > blah......will be useless... i'm completely deaf on > that ear' > > not only do I find this insulting but also highly > questionable of him to > write such things in public, even if he had a 'bad > hair day'. I guess > it's only a matter of days before the forum will be > closed again (just > like the guestbook on the old TD website) But it > really makes me wonder > what he expects from us TD fans..some sort of a > 'kiss bottom' fan > legion? Hey, it's a FORUM and should be seen as > such. I have nothing > against deleting messages which deal with the naming > or offering of > bootlegs, or really insulting messages, but give me > a break. If someone > is not allowed to say that he dislikes the newer > albums the forum is of > no use. I've exchanged a couple of emails with the > Administrator before > and he came along as a friendly person..guess i have > to send another > mail again to ask him about the current 'status quo' > of the forum ;-) > > Heiko ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream At 18:18 19.11.02, you wrote: >Hello, > >This email message is a notification to let you know that >a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream >group. > > File : /Streethawk pilot.mp3 > Uploaded by : paulus_d2002 > Description : MP3 audio file of 'Streethawk'pilot theme > >You can access this file at the URL > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk pilot.mp3 > >To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > >http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > >Regards, > >paulus_d2002 > Dear Paul, I would advise to remove these files from the yahoogroups files area immediately, as you might run into major trouble with the film company and Sanctuary records who both own parts of the rights to the music. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Falcon Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream At 11:11 AM 11/20/2002, you wrote: >I would advise to remove these files from the yahoogroups files area >immediately, as you might run into major trouble with the film company and >Sanctuary records who both own parts of the rights to the music. Thats exactly what I said. . . Ramon From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: tangents box set question Hello, Dreamers, You can find in Voices in the Net : Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release, Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced after he discovered this error. Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of 'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what place - The decision or the Crossing part ?) Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37180 Re: tangents box set question Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Wed 11/20/2002 2 KB 37181 Re: tangents box set question michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB 37184 Re: tangents box set question Janet Wojtecki caw8429 Wed 11/20/2002 4 KB 37187 Re: tangents box set question Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB 37186 Re: tangents box set question Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 11/20/2002 2 KB 37189 Re: tangents box set question Janet Wojtecki caw8429 Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB From: Mr Paul Dryden Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream > At 18:18 19.11.02, you wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >This email message is a notification to let you know that > >a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream > >group. > > > > File : /Streethawk pilot.mp3 > > Uploaded by : paulus_d2002 > > Description : MP3 audio file of 'Streethawk'pilot theme > > > >You can access this file at the URL > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk pilot.mp3 > > > >To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > > >http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > > >Regards, > > > >paulus_d2002 > > > > Dear Paul, > > I would advise to remove these files from the yahoogroups files area > immediately, as you might run into major trouble with the film company and > Sanctuary records who both own parts of the rights to the music. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > The files will be removed as soon as I complete this email-sorry if I caused any trouble over this, I just thought others may wish to hear these after discovering them at the weekend! Sorry again.-Paulus.d_uk > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ terms/ > > > From: 'paulus_d2002' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:13 pm Subject: Deletion of files done!!!!! all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........ PAulus.d_uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37178 Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! Armin Theissen armin_theissen Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB 37179 Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB 37188 Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Wed 11/20/2002 2 KB 37217 Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37219 Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!! ok. Glad I downloaded them... ;-) paulus_d2002 wrote: > all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........ > > PAulus.d_uk > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!! At 13:13 20.11.02, you wrote: >all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........ > >PAulus.d_uk > Dear Paul and list, the trouble with these soundtrack and studio recordings is that there are other rights-holders involved than just TD (the rights to the live shows are solely with TD). Even if we were to tolerate your trading of these tracks, you would be in grave danger that the other parties who hold a share of the rights (i.e. record companies and film companies) would most definitely not be as tolerant, which could run you into a lot of trouble. Thus, I would advise to steer clear of advertising the open trade of any studio or film music. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Eric Williamson Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question Quoting Fred Yargui : > both tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box i would bet since i saw 10 copies of Tangents at the Virgin/EMI cut out blow out delete sale here in central IL this weekend, that there won't be a second release. yes, i did pick one up. for 15 dollars. it's going to be a nice christmas gift for a t.dream fan friend of mine though :) Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tangents box set question TANGENTS was re-issued, but the error was never corrected AFAIK. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Fred Yargui fredericyargui@w... Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:53:30 +0100 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] tangents box set question Hello, Dreamers, You can find in Voices in the Net : Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release, Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced after he discovered this error. Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of 'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what place - The decision or the Crossing part ?) Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: Mis-understanding??? goozer wrote... >>TD do not >>own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under >>contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have >>to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that >>appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label! And then Martin wrote...... >>(the rights to the live shows are solely with TD). Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means that TD can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish? Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37183 Re: Mis-understanding??? goozergrafx goozergrafx Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB 37190 Re: Mis-understanding??? Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB 37218 Re: Mis-understanding??? Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:02 pm Subject: Re: Mis-understanding??? Apparantly so. I was basing my (long standing) reply on comments made by Edgar back when I had opportunity to ask him after the '96 SBE show about future concert releases while asking if that evening's show would be released. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding on both our parts. Plus, it is standard industry practice for the label to own the rights to live performances...perhaps it is indeed different in TDs case, since the shows were mostly improvised? I will absolutely defer to Martin and TD when there is any question as to who is right. Except about _Livemiles_. ;) --- In tadream@y..., wrote: > goozer wrote... > > >>TD do not > >>own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under > >>contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have > >>to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that > >>appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label! > > And then Martin wrote...... > > >>(the rights to the live shows are solely with TD). > > Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means that TD > can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish? > > Neal From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question Hi Fred and Michael, I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6 'dice part' running at 6'03 min and track 9 'crossing point' at 9'32 min. They are very different cuts. Regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] tangents box set question > TANGENTS was re-issued, but the error was never corrected AFAIK. > > MJ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Fred Yargui fredericyargui@w... > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:53:30 +0100 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] tangents box set question > > > Hello, Dreamers, > > You can find in Voices in the Net : > > Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical > because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the > CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both > tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release, > Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced > after he discovered this error. > > > > Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical > tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of > 'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what > place - The decision or the Crossing part ?) > > Regards, > > Fred > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37187 Re: tangents box set question Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: Re: To be or not TD I asked permission of an off list friend if I could post some of what he had written to me regarding other synth musicians. I thought his statements might spark an interesting discussion. Here they are in edited form: Anyway, good to hear you're doing well. And good to hear you've got the Air Sculpture bug! I haven't heard anything by them yet, but no doubt I'll find something sooner or later. To be honest, as synth music goes, I only have eyes for TD and - rightly or wrongly - I don't give much time to other 'TD-style' bands. Ho-hum... There's a very good mail order company up in Dundee (in Scotland) called CDS - or 'Compact Disc Services' to be precise - who have huge stocks of synth music and so-called 'New Age' music to sell. The problem is that the vast majority of synth bands I've heard are content simply to copy TD and rehash their '70s cannon ad infinitum - without bringing anything new or original to the music. Not only that, but most of the artists involved are quite open about it. I'm sure Air Sculpture are different, but to be honest I've become a bit disillusioned with the 'purist' synth scene. It's a difficult issue. Synth music as a genre appears to suffer from an often crippling lack of credibility (eg. references to 'lift music' surface in the press quite regularly), and I think that's due in part to many of these TD copyists being so lazy and just following each other around instead of trying to produce something unique. There's one such artist who, apparently, sells quite well at CDS called Andy Pickford, who admits in the sleeve notes to his albums that he has no other agenda beyond cobbling together popular synth lines from established 'classic' artists like TD, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, etc. So many synth musicians like Andy Pickford (and Robert Fox - regrettably there are hundreds like them) are so conservative and lazy that their output reflects badly on the few decent artists out there - like Air Sculpture, no doubt - who are trying to produce their own music. Prog rock has a similar problem; in the seventies the genre's 'limits' were set, and since then artists have been rehashing the same stuff over and over and over again without trying to do something different - which of course is what the original bands accomplished in the first place (and which is why they're rightly lauded). Sorry. Listen to me! I'm on my soapbox again. None of these comments are directed against Air Sculpture (as I've no idea what their work's like!)... And at the end of the day if you like it, it's good music. Everything's subjective, after all. It's really not fair to expect every artist to live up to lofty creative ideals. I love a lot of guitar-based rock bands who produce straightforward heavy rock; they know what their audience like and they give it to them. So I'm in no position to criticise the likes of Pickford and Fox... If an artist continues to produce music regardless of fashion and against all the odds the music industry generates, they have my respect whether they're 'originals' or not. Hopefully I wasn't too derisive of the TD-emulators, but in my opinion more than anything TD represented a creative philosophy of exploration and development that artists like Andy Pickford have nothing to do with at all. Which is why it annoys me so much when people say, 'It's the best TD music they never recorded,' when if anything it stands in opposition to what TD were trying to do in the '70s and '80s. Cosy, conservative, wholly predictable: these things Tangerine Dream were not. If an artist were to adopt TD's philosophy as a basis for their music, it wouldn't sound like a bargain basement rip-off; in fact it probably wouldn't sound like TD at all. So: any comments? 8-Dell All his opinion of course. NP: 11-1-8- Dublin National Stadium: wish I could hear it louder but I'm at work. 8( _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37191 Re: To be or not TD Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Thu 11/21/2002 2 KB 37198 Re: To be or not TD Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37200 Re: To be or not TD Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37208 Re: To be or not TD Synthhtnys@a... Thu 11/21/2002 5 KB 37225 To be or not TD marc todd remarcable_99 Fri 11/22/2002 5 KB 37249 Re: To be or not TD John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question Janet Wojtecki wrote: > > I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6 > 'dice part' running at 6'03 min It's not that track. Please listen to track 11 of disc 2 (The Decision) and compare it with track 9 of disc 3 (Crossing Part). Antonio Nunes From: Paul Fellows Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question on 20/11/02 18:42, Janet Wojtecki at j.wojtecki@d... wrote: > Hi Fred and Michael, > > I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6 > 'dice part' running at 6'03 min and track 9 'crossing point' at 9'32 min. > They are very different cuts. > > Regards Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:27 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] tangents box set question > > >> TANGENTS was re-issued, but the error was never corrected AFAIK. >> >> MJ >> >> Original Message: >> ----------------- >> From: Fred Yargui fredericyargui@w... >> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:53:30 +0100 >> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [tadream] tangents box set question >> >> >> Hello, Dreamers, >> >> You can find in Voices in the Net : >> >> Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical >> because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the >> CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both >> tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release, >> Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced >> after he discovered this error. >> >> >> >> Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical >> tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of >> 'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what >> place - The decision or the Crossing part ?) >> >> Regards, >> >> Fred Chris, I think your getting confused, there were supposed to be 3 different Rubycon tracks but two of them were the same, you're comparing the different ones... Paul From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! --- In tadream@y..., 'paulus_d2002' wrote: > all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........ Well, thanks for sharing them. I never saw an episode of the Streethawk series when it was on the air, and at least now I know the version of the theme on 'Le Parc' sounds pretty much the same as the original. Would Universal *really* get their knickers in a knot over short 32 kbs mp3s, recorded off of a 15 year old videotape? Ha ha...silly question, I guess. From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question Yes , My apologies, You are correct. It is in fact, the same piece. It just shows you how much I listen to reworked 'official' recordings. Regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question > > > Janet Wojtecki wrote: > > > > I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6 > > 'dice part' running at 6'03 min > > It's not that track. Please listen to track 11 of disc 2 (The Decision) > and compare it with track 9 of disc 3 (Crossing Part). > > Antonio Nunes > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Eric Williamson Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Mis-understanding??? Quoting strat95@b...: > Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means > that TD can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish? theoretically, yes. considering the bulk of their 70s shows were improvised, there's really nowhere that a former label has to stand on getting a cut or restricting a live album. i really don't understand why TDI doesn't follow DGM's lead in releasing a subscriber-only limited run on a monthly basis to hardcore fans. that's good enough for Pete Namlook. why couldn't Froese & Son do the same. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD >Cosy, conservative, wholly predictable: these things Tangerine Dream were not. If an artist were to adopt TD's philosophy as a basis for their music, it wouldn't sound like a bargain basement rip-off; in fact it probably wouldn't sound like TD at all. I totally agree. When choosing what I want to listen and buy, I usually prefer a band or solo musician who's trying to create something new. I'm not interested in, for example, Redshift; I agree they sound great, but instead of direct TD imitation, I usually prefer listening to TD. GJ np. Rubycon. btw, heard Zeit today and enjoyed it more than ever! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'bjoernsip' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:18 am Subject: Re: TD website discussion forum --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I've just read the last few postings in the 'forum' section of the > official TD website and have to say that I am disappointed about the > administrator ('admin') who runs it. Compared to our discussion list the > topics and postings were for the most part just kid stuff, but it seems > it was more than enough for the administrator to write things like: > > 'This forum is meant to be a place for TD interested people around the > world to share their opinions about various issues and it's not a 'junk > yard' where frustrated beings can unload their emotional > crap.....UNDERSTOOD?' > > or > > 'A debate about censorship, free speech and all this...blah, blah, > blah......will be useless... i'm completely deaf on that ear' > > not only do I find this insulting but also highly questionable of him to > write such things in public, even if he had a 'bad hair day'. I guess > it's only a matter of days before the forum will be closed again (just > like the guestbook on the old TD website) But it really makes me wonder > what he expects from us TD fans..some sort of a 'kiss bottom' fan > legion? Hey, it's a FORUM and should be seen as such. I have nothing > against deleting messages which deal with the naming or offering of > bootlegs, or really insulting messages, but give me a break. If someone > is not allowed to say that he dislikes the newer albums the forum is of > no use. I've exchanged a couple of emails with the Administrator before > and he came along as a friendly person..guess i have to send another > mail again to ask him about the current 'status quo' of the forum ;-) > > Heiko Since nearly 1 year I´m enjoying the daily E-Mail with news from this group. Because of my bad english I was just a passiv member. But now it´s time to say a few words: 1. Heiko, you´re exactly right! The official forum is uninteresting for changing meanings and opinions, as long as we have this kind of censorship on it. In this group we have Martin! To my opinion he is right, when he detects some 'might be' criminal activities (....streethawk theme). But isn´t it a kind of 'big brother is watching you...' too? 2. Heiko N. is right with his question belonging the high-prize christmas-gift t-shirts too! Any member of this group has spend a lot of money (mostly THOUSANDS OF BUCKS) over the years for official TD - stuff. The question is, who buys a Rubycon-T-Shirt? A real hardcore fan like everyone in this forum! The ones who spends enough money for CD´s, concerts, DVD´s and anything else. Without these fans TD would not exist anymore after all this years. Let´s make a christmas list: a) T-Shirts (first we made a poll, then you can get all of them!) 25 $ each one b) Melrose-Years Set 45 € at Groove-NL c) London-Concert in 2003 about 300 € alltogether I´m still a big fan roundabout 23 years after buying 'Encore', but nowadays to my opinion TD is getting more and more a commercial money-making cash-machine and we are the ones who keep them living!!! Think I made no new friends with this words but they must be said! NP: Johannes Schmoelling - Songs-No words Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37195 Re: TD website discussion forum / shirts TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 8 KB 37197 Re: Martin's post Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Thu 11/21/2002 10 KB 37199 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37205 Re: Martin's post moxica@a... moxica93 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37212 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 2 KB 37213 Re: Martin's post Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37220 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37222 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37202 Re: Martin's Message/Melrose Years Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Thu 11/21/2002 5 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD website discussion forum In a message dated 11/21/2002 3:18:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, bjoernsip@g... writes: > Think I made no new friends with this words but they must > be said! *On the contrary, you stated very clearly (and calmly) what many of us already think. If you had stated that in a rude or self-righteous way it might be a different story. Anyway nice to meet you! Poly From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD website discussion forum Well, being interested in *music*, I really cannot care less for Tshirts and the like, neither in owning each single interpretation/recording of TD tracks. Just as I don't need to have each recording of a Beethoven synphony as a Beethoven afficionado... The best treats I still get on this list with things like the TD Tree etc. armin Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/21/2002 3:18:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bjoernsip@g... writes: > > >> Think I made no new friends with this words but they must be said! >> > > *On the contrary, you stated very clearly (and calmly) what many of > us already think. If you had stated that in a rude or > self-righteous way it might be a different story. Anyway nice to > meet you! Poly > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To > unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD website discussion forum / shirts > >The question is, who buys a Rubycon-T-Shirt? A real hardcore fan >like everyone in this forum! The ones who spends enough money for >CD´s, concerts, DVD´s and anything else. Without these fans TD would >not exist anymore after all this years. Hi people, I think I need to clear s/t up re. the T-Shirts and shed some light on the background to avoid you guys calling us 'high price' rip-offs again ;-) The only reason why we decided to make this poll and manufacture the shirts is that we had numerous and repeated requests from fans all over the world to produce shirts with 'classic album covers' designs. (...now here´s an interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again... sometimes it seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to complain, no matter what we do... ;-)) so... we decided to do just this as a sort of 'X-Mas'- surprise. Now... why do they cost US$ 25?!? Simple reason: because we´re only producing 100 apiece. They are highest quality shirts with highest quality 8-color-prints in order to faithfully reproduce the album covers (we´ve chosen the original LP-designs) - thus, with only 100 of each being made, the production costs alone (incl. one-time-costs, such as color-adjusting, sieve preparation, etc.) for each shirt amount to around US$15. Now, if you count off my time for preparing the garphic design and managing the webshop (that is quite a time-intensive work. I do not work for free, either) and the costs for the guy who handles packing and and shipping, we might roughly make around 2-3 US$ of real profit per shirt. If you look at it this way, from behind the scenes, I would hope that you agree that producing these shirts is not very profitable for us at all. Besides, the regular price for shirts at concerts is EUR 30 (US$ 29 approx.) in Germany and US$ 35 in the U.S. in average. And usually, these shirts are produced in quantities of a few thousands (dropping the production costs per shirt to 1-3 US$). We´re even below that price... and we pay roughly 6-7 times as much per shirt. Now... very often, I wish that many of you people try to think a bit further than your first observation before you start shouting out that we´re rip-offs or do this and do that wrong. It seems that you all believe there are no costs involved in the production of the merchandise and that we all work for free. Also: please never forget that TDI is a small company, after all. And to Heiko - I must say, I have to fully agree with the forum´s admin´s frustration. (please note that I do not think that you are one of the 'rude boys') Think about it like this: the tangerinedream.org website was set up and is paid for by TD to provide a vehicle of information and exchange for fans and people merely interested in the group. Thus, you could rightfully draw a parallel to visting 'someone´s house'. And, to follow this metaphor: would you indeed go to someone´s house and constantly complain about his or her furniture and/or lifestyle? And I´m sick as hell of the clamoring about 'free speech' ... it´s not about that... it´s about 'RESPECT'!!!!! And I see none (let me please spell that out for some of you, in case some of you didn´t understand; N.O.N.E.) of that in many of the people present here and especially in the forum. Soem people think they have the right, just because they shelled out a lot of their hard cash, to constantly complain and behave in a rude, ruthless and ARROGANT manner - while you certainly always have the right to formulate your free opinions, I would suggest that many of you should sometimes follow an old saying that they taught me in school: 'think before you stink'! And sometimes, before some people post their wise-a.. comments, they should try to put themselves in Edgar´s and Jerome´s shoes and think whether they would not feel terribly hurt, if they were in their place. And I do believe that you shouldn´t inflict on others what you wouldn´t like to have inflicted on yourself. I am in a band myself and I know that I would not like to have a so-called 'fan-forum' on my page where 95% of the comments would hurt my personal feelings. And to all you people who speak up the loudest and believe they know everything, ask yourselves: would you be able to bear a majority of the comments in forum and mailing list if they were directed against yourself? I would most probably think you couldn´t, in fact I have evidence that some of you can´t (a fellow musician on this list immediately sent us an e-mail when another fellow musician who is not on this list anymore decided to criticize him in a form that most people on list and forum usually criticize TD. He even threatened to send his lawyers on the case. Now, that´s what I call hipocrisy!) So, can anyone of us really call Edgar or Jerome arrogant or uncaring?!?!? If I were them, I would draw myself back from my so-called fans and would not provide forums or vehicles of contact at all. OK, enough said, I think my point is clear. I hope that I have at least made a few people Case closed. Peace & Love, Uncle Marty (...who hopes that he does not have to repeat this speech over and over again in the future) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37197 Re: Martin's post Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Thu 11/21/2002 10 KB 37199 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37205 Re: Martin's post moxica@a... moxica93 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37212 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 2 KB 37213 Re: Martin's post Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37220 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37222 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37202 Re: Martin's Message/Melrose Years Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Thu 11/21/2002 5 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:36 am Subject: New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!! Hi! Today I got the 'new' ALPHA CENTAURI release made by Castle Music Ltd. onto CD. It`s the new version with the Ultima Thule, Part 1 track as a bonus track. The booklet is nice and well done with an essay written by Paul Russell. Did you know, TD sold 20 000 copies of AC? But!!!! To my big surprise, I found 9 photos from the Ultima Thule versions on vinyl in the booklet. And all(!) are taken from my homepage. If you want to verify: http://www.rutka.de/td/ultima.html These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto the booklet :-(. Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37238 Re: New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!! John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37239 Re: New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post Well, there's frustration for you... Martin, I can empathise with your feelings, and I apologise if I or anyone on the list have caused you and the other people at TDI more grief than it's worth. This is not to say that I necessarily agree with all your points about the detail (although I understand your argument about why the new T-shirts are so pricey, I personally wouldn't buy them and I personally never asked for them), but I do agree that this mailing list, ironically, tends to create a lot of unreasonable confrontation with the people for whose appreciation it was set up in the first place. To an extent, I suppose the medium is to blame. With e-mail and the web, I'm sure many people do tend to write before they think, and with the instant communication that is possible in an electronic forum, a lot of hot-headed agitation seems to be going on. So, I agree that we all need to make an effort to be a bit more measured in our judgement of TD/TDI when discussing the subject in what is, after all, a fan forum. At the same time, I'm sure you are aware that with the advent of TDI and the addition of T-shirts, watches, boxed sets and other merchandise to the production of TD albums, the publishing and merchandising strategy of TDI is not as transparent to us fans as it once was. In the years of Virgin and Castle records, we dutifully went to pick up the new albums and bought some extra goodies at the concerts. With so many of these extras now available all year round and by mail order, I suspect that some of us still haven't managed to shake off the feeling that we have to buy everything that's going - a leftover from the pre-TDI days, when anything TD was hard to come by. Thanks for the wake-up call, Martin. I guess we need a revival of patience and dialogue between both sides. Dennis On Thursday 21 November 2002 10:58 am, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > >The question is, who buys a Rubycon-T-Shirt? A real hardcore fan > >like everyone in this forum! The ones who spends enough money for > >CD´s, concerts, DVD´s and anything else. Without these fans TD would > >not exist anymore after all this years. > > Hi people, > > I think I need to clear s/t up re. the T-Shirts and shed some light on the > background to avoid you guys calling us 'high price' rip-offs again ;-) > > The only reason why we decided to make this poll and manufacture the shirts > is that we had numerous and repeated requests from fans all over the world > to produce shirts with 'classic album covers' designs. (...now here´s an > interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and > still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again... sometimes it > seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to > complain, no matter what we do... ;-)) so... we decided to do just this as > a sort of 'X-Mas'- surprise. > > Now... why do they cost US$ 25?!? Simple reason: because we´re only > producing 100 apiece. They are highest quality shirts with highest quality > 8-color-prints in order to faithfully reproduce the album covers (we´ve > chosen the original LP-designs) - thus, with only 100 of each being made, > the production costs alone (incl. one-time-costs, such as color-adjusting, > sieve preparation, etc.) for each shirt amount to around US$15. Now, if you > count off my time for preparing the garphic design and managing the webshop > (that is quite a time-intensive work. I do not work for free, either) and > the costs for the guy who handles packing and and shipping, we might > roughly make around 2-3 US$ of real profit per shirt. If you look at it > this way, from behind the scenes, I would hope that you agree that > producing these shirts is not very profitable for us at all. > > Besides, the regular price for shirts at concerts is EUR 30 (US$ 29 > approx.) in Germany and US$ 35 in the U.S. in average. And usually, these > shirts are produced in quantities of a few thousands (dropping the > production costs per shirt to 1-3 US$). We´re even below that price... and > we pay roughly 6-7 times as much per shirt. > > Now... very often, I wish that many of you people try to think a bit > further than your first observation before you start shouting out that > we´re rip-offs or do this and do that wrong. It seems that you all believe > there are no costs involved in the production of the merchandise and that > we all work for free. Also: please never forget that TDI is a small > company, after all. > > And to Heiko - I must say, I have to fully agree with the forum´s admin´s > frustration. (please note that I do not think that you are one of the 'rude > boys') Think about it like this: the tangerinedream.org website was set up > and is paid for by TD to provide a vehicle of information and exchange for > fans and people merely interested in the group. Thus, you could rightfully > draw a parallel to visting 'someone´s house'. And, to follow this metaphor: > would you indeed go to someone´s house and constantly complain about his or > her furniture and/or lifestyle? And I´m sick as hell of the clamoring about > 'free speech' ... it´s not about that... it´s about 'RESPECT'!!!!! And I > see none (let me please spell that out for some of you, in case some of you > didn´t understand; N.O.N.E.) of that in many of the people present here and > especially in the forum. Soem people think they have the right, just > because they shelled out a lot of their hard cash, to constantly complain > and behave in a rude, ruthless and ARROGANT manner - while you certainly > always have the right to formulate your free opinions, I would suggest that > many of you should sometimes follow an old saying that they taught me in > school: 'think before you stink'! > > And sometimes, before some people post their wise-a.. comments, they should > try to put themselves in Edgar´s and Jerome´s shoes and think whether they > would not feel terribly hurt, if they were in their place. And I do believe > that you shouldn´t inflict on others what you wouldn´t like to have > inflicted on yourself. I am in a band myself and I know that I would not > like to have a so-called 'fan-forum' on my page where 95% of the comments > would hurt my personal feelings. And to all you people who speak up the > loudest and believe they know everything, ask yourselves: would you be able > to bear a majority of the comments in forum and mailing list if they were > directed against yourself? I would most probably think you couldn´t, in > fact I have evidence that some of you can´t (a fellow musician on this list > immediately sent us an e-mail when another fellow musician who is not on > this list anymore decided to criticize him in a form that most people on > list and forum usually criticize TD. He even threatened to send his lawyers > on the case. Now, that´s what I call hipocrisy!) So, can anyone of us > really call Edgar or Jerome arrogant or uncaring?!?!? If I were them, I > would draw myself back from my so-called fans and would not provide forums > or vehicles of contact at all. > > OK, enough said, I think my point is clear. I hope that I have at least > made a few people > > Case closed. > > Peace & Love, > > Uncle Marty (...who hopes that he does not have to repeat this speech over > and over again in the future) > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dennis Nigbur Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37199 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37205 Re: Martin's post moxica@a... moxica93 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB 37212 Re: Martin's post TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 11/21/2002 2 KB 37213 Re: Martin's post Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37220 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB 37222 Re: Martin's post Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 11/21/2002 4 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD On Wednesday 20 November 2002 5:50 pm, Adele Outland wrote: > It's a difficult issue. Synth music as a genre appears to > suffer from an often crippling lack of credibility (eg. > references to 'lift music' surface in the press quite > regularly), and I think that's due in part to many of these TD > copyists being so lazy and just following each other > around instead of trying to produce something unique. There's The thing that bugs me the most is that this 'lift music' tag is so easily applied to the whole electronic music scene by people who are unfamiliar with it. In the 70s, it was cool to experiment with new methods of sound production and composition - that's why TD got onto John Peel's show, and why Edgar & Co. managed to keep going despite all the financial difficulties they had. Today, by contrast, people like us are seen as a hopeless, nerdy, anachronistic sect of Dream Disciples who have no social skills to speak of and therefore convene in secretive little meetings to listen to lift music together... Well, I for one would still rather listen to TD than to the latest of those whinge-bands that seem to win the Brits every year for some reason. Uncool it might be, but very satisfying nonetheless. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37200 Re: To be or not TD Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post > >So, I agree that we all need to make an effort to be a bit more measured in >our judgement of TD/TDI when discussing the subject in what is, after all, a >fan forum. At the same time, I'm sure you are aware that with the advent of >TDI and the addition of T-shirts, watches, boxed sets and other merchandise >to the production of TD albums, the publishing and merchandising strategy of >TDI is not as transparent to us fans as it once was. In the years of Virgin >and Castle records, we dutifully went to pick up the new albums and bought >some extra goodies at the concerts. With so many of these extras now >available all year round and by mail order, I suspect that some of us still >haven't managed to shake off the feeling that we have to buy everything >that's going - a leftover from the pre-TDI days, when anything TD was hard to >come by. > >Thanks for the wake-up call, Martin. I guess we need a revival of patience >and >dialogue between both sides. > >Dennis > Dear Dennis, thanks for the kind and very well-measured words. I, of course, understand what you mean. This is exactly why I decided to lift the veil and take you all into some of the background, to maybe make price decisions a bit more understandable. Actually, as some of you may have noticed, we have tried to change the price policy with the advent of the new web shop. I believe that 12 USD plus shipping is rather reasonable for a single CD (we cannot guarantee that we will be able to keep this low price forever, though) and 30 USD for a 3-CD-box is also not so bad, after all (that´s USD 10 per CD). With the shirts - there was no real possibility of going lower on the price withour making a minus on the sales, which, as you may well understand, no business can afford. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:29 pm Subject: Re: To be or not TD > On Wednesday 20 November 2002 5:50 pm, Adele Outland wrote: > > > It's a difficult issue. Synth music as a genre appears to > > suffer from an often crippling lack of credibility (eg. > > references to 'lift music' surface in the press quite > > regularly), and I think that's due in part to many of these TD > > copyists being so lazy and just following each other > > around instead of trying to produce something unique. There's I'm just curious who you see as TD copyists. :-) I make it no secret that I like TD, BUT I'm not making the music the way I do because TD doesn't do it anymore. Started making music 15 years ago and did some atmospheric sequency stuff while I hadn't even heared about TD or any other BS artist. And for being lazy...yes with some things I'm lazy, but with music it's far from that. Doing concerts in America , England and Holland, carrying modular and analog as well as new stuff with me isn't exactly being lazy...also 2 years working on an album isn't exactly 'just copying TD'. Weird because I have never thought about copying TD, I like the atmosphere that it 'breaths' and it is only this that I try to achieve. I never hear anybody complain about DJ X sounds like DJ Y or Pavarotti and Carerras...they both sing the same stuff. :-) Even if it sounds very close to the style TD or (fill in your favorite artist) whats the problem? I can probably go on forever about it and make no sense at all anymore. :-) I just make music the way I want to do it, because for me it is the right thing to do. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:07 pm Subject: Quasi-Official Use of Fan Materials (was New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!) On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:36:12 +0100 (MET) Rainer Rutka writes: >To my big surprise, I found 9 photos from the Ultima Thule versions >on vinyl in the booklet. And all(!) are taken from my homepage. >If you want to verify: http://www.rutka.de/td/ultima.html >These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto >the booklet :-(. I have DVDs where the director filmography (for Chang Cheh) was taken from my website. > Rainer -- Steven Feldman , webmaster for the Chang Cheh website at http://changcheh.0catch.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37236 Re: Quasi-Official Use of Fan Materials (was New Alpha Centauri CD w Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Martin's Message/Melrose Years First of all...Martin, thanks for the explanation regarding T-Shirt production costs. That's the kind of perspective-building information that fans (including me!) need to hear. I guess I *am* one of those 'rude boys'. So, I apologize for any grief I may have caused. Yet, I want to respond to a couple of other things you say: '(...now here´s an interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again...' Not a totally fair accusation. I'm sure the fans who asked you for 'classic album cover' shirts will snap them up in a hurry. I wasn't one of those fans. Now, where you could really rain righteous indignation down on all of us, is if TDI released a box set of untouched 70s and 80s concert material, and we all griped and complained. :-) 'Think about it like this: the tangerinedream.org website was set up and is paid for by TD to provide a vehicle of information and exchange for fans and people merely interested in the group. Thus, you could rightfully draw a parallel to visting 'someone´s house'.' Well, no, not really. Because TDI is not a home, it's a business. I don't know what retailing is like in Europe, so I won't speak about it ...but in North America, pretty much any company that deals with the public has a customer service department. This is because it's a highly competitive environment, and if someone doesn't like the way your shop does business, they'll go elsewhere. It pays to put up with the public's crap, because in the end they'll spend their money at your place if you keep them happy. I suspect part of the problem is that while we can *buy* TD releases from other online shops, TDI alone has control over how the music is released, and there's nowhere else to go if we don't like it. Perhaps part of the problem is that TDI is *too* accesible? With a big record label like Virgin or EMI or whatever, it seems like any beef you may have with how an album is released will never be addressed...whereas with TDI, it feels like we can just go up to the order desk and demand anything we want. Which might be an entirely unjustified attitude on the part of the fans, but whether TD likes it or not, it was a fact of life that they took on when they decided to run their own label. Now... I see info about the 'Melrose Years' has now been posted! And it can certainly not be accused of being a 'cash grab'. 30 dollars for three disks is very reasonable, especially since it's a limited edition with band autographs. In fact, this is very irritating. I'm actually, in spite of all my whining and complaining, thinking about buying it. But yet... No sound clips, no information about *how much* the tracks have been altered. Perhaps you guys could have posted an interview with the band, talking about the set? A sample of one of the 're-recorded' songs? I suppose it doesn't matter, because the sets will sell regardless. That's what I meant about TDI's monopoly power. And it's why I feel like I'm being milked, even though the price is right. From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:15 pm Subject: Limited Edition T-shirts Sigh, while PHAEDRA, RUBYON and RICOCHET are indeed classics, it's a shame that of the three, only RICOCHET has really nice graphics. I would have thought that at least STRATOSFEAR would have been chosen. One personal fave, graphics-wise, would be SOHOMAN, but that album is hardly a classic. ;) Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: MELROSE YEARS packaging Will the general release version of MELROSE YEARS also be in a digipack? For that matter, is DREAM MIXES III still available in digipack form, or is it in a standard jewel case, now? Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: moxica@a... Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post Here are some hopefully-thought-out thoughts: I think there also needs to be some distinction between Tangerine Dream, the musical group, and TDI, the business. The purpose of the former is, simply, to make the kind of music that they want to create. The goal of the latter is (or seems to be) to facilitate the distribution of the music (and other peripherial merchandise) to the fans in the most direct manner as possible. However, TDI *is* a business, and as such, it needs to have some degree of profitability to maintain itself and its goals. [I'm a free-market capitalist, so I'm sure there are those who might disagree with me on that point.] Even so, I don't think that TDI has set such profit margins on their merchandise that Martin and the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of cash bills in their offices. I also imagine that TDI has a small staff of employees, so that major productions have to be outsourced, which means higher costs of production. [I *am* speculating here, Martin, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.] Personally, I've never felt cheated by TDI in either their prices or business practices. And $12USD for a CD *is* very cheap as the same CD's run for $15-16 here in Atlanta! I'm thinking of buying up some more TDI albums with the modified covers while they're at this price (Geez, I think I've been hanging around Vic too long!). Of course, If I had my 'druthers, I'd like to see more security on the ordering pages for the website, and more CD's of older and unreleased stuff. Later, Fans! - jim > thanks for the kind and very well-measured words. I, of course, understand > what you mean. This is exactly why I decided to lift the veil and take you > all into some of the background, to maybe make price decisions a bit more > understandable. Actually, as some of you may have noticed, we have tried to > change the price policy with the advent of the new web shop. I believe that > 12 USD plus shipping is rather reasonable for a single CD (we cannot > guarantee that we will be able to keep this low price forever, though) and > 30 USD for a 3-CD-box is also not so bad, after all (that´s USD 10 per CD). > With the shirts - there was no real possibility of going lower on the price > withour making a minus on the sales, which, as you may well understand, no > business can afford. From: Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:04 pm Subject: order your MELROSE YEARs Hello, now you can pre-order your 3CD Set: the Melrose Years on the Tangerine Dream Website: http://www.tangerinedream.org all 3 CD`s have one Bonus Track include !!!! Regards heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37207 Re: order your MELROSE YEARs moxica@a... moxica93 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB From: moxica@a... Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] order your MELROSE YEARs Yay! I've already ordered mine (plus a Richochet T-shirt!). Sometimes I think I enjoy ordering and waiting for merchandise to be delivered than actually having it... - jim > Hello, > > now you can pre-order your 3CD Set: the Melrose Years on the Tangerine Dream > Website: http://www.tangerinedream.org > > all 3 CD`s have one Bonus Track include !!!! > > Regards > heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD In a message dated 11/21/2002 4:30:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, mengels@w... writes: > I just make music the way I want to do it, because for me > it is the right thing to do. > > Marcel > * I, like Marcel make music in this genre... I have for 17 years (Ha ha Marcel, beat you by two years! ;-) My own solo work and my old band Dweller at the Threshold... and I am constantly amazed at how small-minded people can be when discussing music in this genre. Ambient music owes an incredible amount to Eno but no one is saying all the others working in that style should stop because Eno pioneered it. I can't see anyone who has really heard several of the newer bands working in this genre (The so-called Berlin School) honestly believing that all of them are merely aping what TD already did... and that none of them are bringing anything new to the tabIe. As an example I defy anyone to listen to Free System Projects 'Pointless Reminder', Nemesis 'Sky Archeology' and I'll even throw out my own 'Into the Liquid Unknown' and say that the music is copied. The tools are similar, the genre is the same, BUT THE MUSIC IS OUR OWN! there are no rip off's of melodies, chord progressions, sequences etc. To lump us all together like that is really ignorant. Are TD guilt free of copying music? As one example listen to Love on a real Train and then Steve Reich's Music for 18 musicians.... I most certainly understand a fans enthusiasm for the work of TD. I am one also. That is why I am here that should be tacitly understood... but why the need to treat others working in that style badly? It doesn't lessen TD that others work in this style... It strengthens their place in music history... why is this hard to comprehend? Name one genre where there aren't some similarities between various groups or artists... that is the very nature of a genre. Nothing can take away the pioneering work that TD did, Nothing... but to suggest that sequencer based electronic music should just stop there and die is absurd and clearly shows a lack of knowledge of music history. NO musician is without influences... INCLUDING Tangerine Dream. They were clearly influenced by the American Minimalist school, psychedelic rock and other forms. This doesn't take anything away from them, and it should also be remembered that they had the advantage of being in the right place at the right time as far as pioneering music on the new technology of synths and sequences. I think Marcel summed it up nicely that we do this kind of music because we like it. Poly Paul Ellis Binary recordings at - www.hypnos.com 'Into the Liquid unknown' out now. ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ 'A forest seen from the air is complex and interesting. A single tree is equally complex. One leaf, even one molecule is endlessly fascinating. That's how music should be.' Brian Eno ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:59 pm Subject: Web Forum + T-Shirts I think having high-quality T-shirts with full-color process for $25 each is reasonable in the small quantity. I should have spoken up on this sooner. For once I will come to TD's defense on this. Nice shirts are expensive unless you want iron-on that don't last 3 washes. As for the forum, there was a rude reply from the administrators at first but the latest reply was much more reasonable and I have no qualms with it. I will continue to try to provide information and comments on the forum and stay on the 'middle ground'. Martin, TD would be in really good shape if they just released some old concerts untouched. Then the fans of Inferno, 7 Letters, Dream Mixes 3, etc. can continue to praise and talk about them while the fans of older TD music splinter off into our own area of the forum to talk joyously about the released concerts. It's not that people really 'hate' more re-releases of Melrose, etc. It's that those re-releases are being done at the expense or in lieu of what we feel is more deserving content (70's concerts). I've always felt that if Edgar would just release some old concerts as-is or hand them off to a remastering team like Heiko & Friends, then he would get a lot more respect/tolerance for his current musical direction. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' I for one do not think that originality is a necessary component for me to like electronic music. I am amazed at people who think that if there is a driving sequencer line, it is a copy of TD. Sorry, but TD does not have a patent on the sequencer line or arpeggiator. I am very happy with Redshift, Arcane, Airsculpture, Free System Projekt, etc. They are moving forward with sequenced music that TD abandoned 15 years ago. I don't mind revisiting the past through someone else's eyes. Saying that these people copy TD and are not creative is like saying that a photographer or journalist has no creativity since they are just reinterpreting what they have been exposed to. The fact is, FSP and AS were not around in 1974 to create this genre. But they can bring us music which is a joy to listen to! 'in defense' Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37223 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37224 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37228 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37230 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37231 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37255 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37258 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Conrad Gibbons TangFanIRL Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37232 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37233 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' PERGAMON pergamondk Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: T-shirts + Melrose >Sean Montgomery said: > >Not a totally fair accusation. I'm sure the fans who asked you for >'classic album cover' shirts will snap them up in a hurry. I >wasn't one of those fans. Now, where you could really rain righteous >indignation down on all of us, is if TDI released a box set of >untouched 70s and 80s concert material, and we all griped and >complained. :-) Well, if there is any question as to the amount of money Edgar would make by releasing these old shows (if he has to pay any license, etc. to Virgin) I think he should release 5 shows and a T-shirt or other TD trinket. Honestly, I wouldn't mind. Maybe others just want to buy the concerts by themselves. My problem with these Booster packs and now the current 'you have to buy the Melrose set if you want a T-shirt' thing is that we have ot buy something we essentially already have to get the T-shirt. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37229 Re: T-shirts + Melrose TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post > Even so, I don't >think that TDI has set such profit margins on their merchandise that >Martin and >the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of cash bills in their >offices. Oh... but we DO! mmhhhhmmmhhh ;-) Thanks, Jim. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37213 Re: Martin's post Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 11/21/2002 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post As much as I love TD, I never ever want to see Edgar or Jerome naked *shudder*. Now, I'm off to the site to get my Melrose Box-set. $30 is great!!! I do have to agree that a sound sample or two, or a couple of words from TD themselves regarding the ins and outs of the re-recording would have been good... Still, at least they're not naked... Oh, I can't get that out of my head now... AGGGHHHH!!!! --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > Even so, I don't > >think that TDI has set such profit margins on their > merchandise that > >Martin and > >the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of > cash bills in their > >offices. > > Oh... but we DO! > mmhhhhmmmhhh > > ;-) > > Thanks, Jim. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:05 pm Subject: TD forum etc. Martin, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, sometimes a little infusion of reason is all it takes. >sometimes it >seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to >complain, no matter what we do... ;-)) dammit, he's broken the code!! What do we do now ???? ;-) ;-) >Now... very often, I wish that many of you people try to think a bit >further than your first observation before you start shouting out that >we´re rip-offs or do this and do that wrong. True. Alas, by now, you know perfectly well how much 'thinking further' you can expect from the average member of the public ;-) You'll never eliminate all the bickering, but you can at least reduce it a bit by sharing more behind-the-scenes insights, like you just did. >Uncle Marty (...who hopes that he does not have to repeat this speech over >and over again in the future) Poor guy. You'll have to. This speech, and others, especially about not being stupid with material of dubious copyright status. In fact, you could make a standard sermon an automated, weekly posting on this list and in other places, and you'd still not get the message to everybody. Thanks for trying, anyway! cheers klaus From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Fans in Portugal Are there any fans on this list from Portugal? I am looking for a few TD items form this country and I was wondering if anyone can help? Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37256 Re: Fans in Portugal Antonio Nunes ajogon Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:13 pm Subject: New Alpha Centauri >These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto >the booklet :-(. Hi Rainer, of course, you obtained proper licenses from the designers of the _original_ covers before you put scans onto your website. Congratulatiuons, now you can sue the ass off Castle. Or ??? ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37237 Re: New Alpha Centauri Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!! Fully understood, Martin. I was only trying to share a discovery with the list, but was not aware of the implications! You seem to be having a stressfull time of it lately! Iam quite sure that most fans, like me respect the whole TD/TDI organisation and would kill to get their hands on the T Shirts!!!!! I hope some make it to the London 2003 Gig!!!!! Regards PAulus.d_uk -----Original Message----- From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 20 November 2002 13:36 Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!! >At 13:13 20.11.02, you wrote: >>all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........ >> >>PAulus.d_uk >> > >Dear Paul and list, > >the trouble with these soundtrack and studio recordings is that there are >other rights-holders involved than just TD (the rights to the live shows >are solely with TD). Even if we were to tolerate your trading of these >tracks, you would be in grave danger that the other parties who hold a >share of the rights (i.e. record companies and film companies) would most >definitely not be as tolerant, which could run you into a lot of trouble. >Thus, I would advise to steer clear of advertising the open trade of any >studio or film music. > > >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mis-understanding??? The 1996 was a fanastic evening!!! I've still got the ticket and my copy of Shephards Bush CD!! Paulus.d -----Original Message----- From: goozergrafx To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 20 November 2002 17:03 Subject: [tadream] Re: Mis-understanding??? >Apparantly so. I was basing my (long standing) reply on comments made >by Edgar back when I had opportunity to ask him after the '96 SBE show >about future concert releases while asking if that evening's show >would be released. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding on both our >parts. Plus, it is standard industry practice for the label to own the >rights to live performances...perhaps it is indeed different in TDs >case, since the shows were mostly improvised? I will absolutely defer >to Martin and TD when there is any question as to who is right. Except >about _Livemiles_. ;) > >--- In tadream@y..., wrote: >> goozer wrote... >> >> >>TD do not >> >>own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under >> >>contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have >> >>to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that >> >>appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label! >> >> And then Martin wrote...... >> >> >>(the rights to the live shows are solely with TD). >> >> Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means >that TD >> can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish? >> >> Neal > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! I should have checked first! The stuff was actually taken from an old reel to reel recorder! I have a bit of a fasination for old formats-I still have a Betamax in working order! As far as I remember, that episode also had a edited version of daimond diary during a robery scene. Both Thief and Streethawk were directed by Michael Mann. Regs Paulus.d_uk -----Original Message----- From: Sean Montgomery To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 20 November 2002 18:59 Subject: [tadream] Re: Deletion of files done!!!!! >--- In tadream@y..., 'paulus_d2002' wrote: >> all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files >area........ > > >Well, thanks for sharing them. I never saw an episode of the >Streethawk series when it was on the air, and at least now I know the >version of the theme on 'Le Parc' sounds pretty much the same as the >original. > >Would Universal *really* get their knickers in a knot over short 32 >kbs mp3s, recorded off of a 15 year old videotape? Ha ha...silly >question, I guess. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post Sounds more like Homer Simpson lusting after a dohnut!! paulus.d -----Original Message----- From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 21 November 2002 17:12 Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post > Even so, I don't >think that TDI has set such profit margins on their merchandise that >Martin and >the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of cash bills in their >offices. Oh... but we DO! mmhhhhmmmhhh ;-) Thanks, Jim. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:21 pm Subject: back Got back last night from Comdex. I just check my 300 + messages and I see a half a dozen from Yahoo telling me again my mail bounced. Funny thing, it still shows the same record from last week when this started again. Same error same date same message etc. Is yahoo just messed up or what? So, I am not being rude if anyone directed anything towards me. I will try to make some time later this evening to review the yahoo list site to see if I can spy anything at me. The best solution is just email at my address, admin@k... . I am sorry if I do miss anything. You can also tell me what a bone head I am etc. via the same address and save me the embarrassment. Dale From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post A nightmare, a fear beyond that of a lifetimes lift music- the dreaded TD nude spread!!!!!! Paulus.d -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Holt To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 21 November 2002 18:33 Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post >As much as I love TD, I never ever want to see Edgar >or Jerome naked *shudder*. > >Now, I'm off to the site to get my Melrose Box-set. >$30 is great!!! >I do have to agree that a sound sample or two, or a >couple of words from TD themselves regarding the ins >and outs of the re-recording would have been good... >Still, at least they're not naked... Oh, I can't get >that out of my head now... AGGGHHHH!!!! > > --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > wrote: > >> > Even so, I don't >> >think that TDI has set such profit margins on their >> merchandise that >> >Martin and >> >the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of >> cash bills in their >> >offices. >> >> Oh... but we DO! >> mmhhhhmmmhhh >> >> ;-) >> >> Thanks, Jim. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Martin Kasprzak >> TDI- Music- Support. >> Tel:-49-30-23620995 >> Fax:-49-30-23620996 >> >> Visit our Website at: >> >> http://www.tangerinedream.org >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> >> >----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: >> mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >----------------------------------------------------_- >> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >> Tangerine Tree info at >> http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Quoting Morgan Feldon : > Sorry, but TD does not have a patent on the > sequencer line or arpeggiator. i agree. i was listening to a Namlook/Schulze album, and thought to myself 'that doesn't sound like a Klaus-sequence, it sounds like a Franke-sequence'. which reminded me that even using the same gear and technique, two artists can sound totally different from one another _even_in_the_same_genre_. > They are moving forward with sequenced music that TD abandoned ... thank god someone will do it. i have to point out that 2002/TD is not the same people that was 1977/TD. i don't really think Ed & Jerry 'abandoned' the technique, i think that now it's obvious that the technique left them. when Christophe Franke left, so did the cool sequence lines. listening to Franke's 'London Concert' i have to think to myself that that's probably what TD would have sounded like in 1990 if Eddie hadn't have alienated him out of the group with the assembly-line soundtrack schedule. at least Klaus has stuck to his guns. he might be using orphaned Quasimidi gear, but he's still making cool teutonic texture music. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson wrote: >i don't really think Ed & Jerry 'abandoned' the >technique, i think that now it's obvious that the technique left them. when >Christophe Franke left, so did the cool sequence lines. I've got to wonder what people are talking about when they say TD's music doesn't have sequences anymore. Are you thinking of the same band I am? >listening to Franke's 'London Concert' i have to think to myself that that's >probably what TD would have sounded like in 1990 if Eddie hadn't have alienated >him out of the group with the assembly-line soundtrack schedule. Just my opinion, but I can't say I find that prospect very appealing. --Daniel NP: Juno Reactor - Bible of Dreams Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37228 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37230 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37231 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37255 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37258 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Conrad Gibbons TangFanIRL Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: 'marc todd' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:48 am Subject: To be or not TD Hi Everyone, I had to come out of lurk mode to drop a few comments. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but it really doesn't look like we're going to get any untouched vintage concerts or studio material anytime soon. Since TDI was formed, the only '70's era music that has seen the light of day was Soundmill Navigator which had poor sound and was tangentized in parts. This is why I passed on this release. I don't know why Klaus Schulze can release numerous box sets spanning his whole career all with unreleased music while TDI repackages previous albums over and over again. However, thanks to bands like AirSculpture and RMI this particular style of EM is alive and well. A lot of these 'Berlin School' bands have progressed to the point where they have their own sound that through the use of customizing their equipment is constantly changing. No shortage of creativity there. The only similarity between these bands and TD is the basic structure of a opus in three movements ie. into, sequencer, ending. Technology has progressed to the point where bands can make this music much more dynamic with a larger palette of sounds. TD may be the standard but I know I'm not alone in thinking that some of the music from these so-called bedroom musicians surpasses TD's output in the 70's. I might add that I never listened to TD until '88. After Haslinger left I noticed a decline in the composition of TD's music. Why? I cannot say except the music just seemed duller somehow. Do I still like TD? Sure, but I no longer purchase music from them unless I have a chance to hear the entire album first. I may make an exception for the Melrose Years set as this is my second favorite era of TD's history. I simply like their 70's era best and if bands like AirSculpture end up sounding like them then great. I can only listen to Rubycon so many times before I have to take a break from it for a couple months. Besides, really, how creative is TD's music these days? From their own standpoint it is as they have tried their hand at techno, ambient, and some of the other genres. However they simply followed what was trendy at the time. I recently caught RMI in concert and they gave a tremendous gig. Not only did they play live which is something TD does not seem to do anymore according to some, but they (like other Berlin School bands) improvised much of the concert, something TD lacks the confidence to do. If not why all the cookie-cutter concerts? Lastly I agree with Uncle Marty that comments on the TD guestbook really should be thought out before posting. If you don't like an album just say you didn't like it. No need to go on and on trashing it. Constructive criticism is always welcome. Be happy that TD is being very good sports with their tolerance of the cdr trees. If they weren't many of us (myself included) wouldn't have a chance to hear some of their history. Kind Regards, Marc _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:43 am Subject: courses in Berlin School Has anyone given it a thought to put on-line a course in Berlin School? Even a correspondent course would be cool? Just image what one could use as samples to style. The do's and don'ts. 1 2 3 5 8 14 and so forth? Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37227 Re: courses in Berlin School Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37234 Re: courses in Berlin School Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Ho docned2001 Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37252 Re: courses in Berlin School Administrator dale1kay Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] courses in Berlin School Quoting Admin : > Has anyone given it a thought to put on-line a course in Berlin School? > Even a correspondent course would be cool? who would prepare the course material? would you have specialised degrees in the English, Teutonic, 80s, and so forth? would there be a department of ghetto studies, to make sure the students were being groovy? points taken off for putting the snare samples on 1 & 3 for instance. what would the school's drug policy be? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Quoting quarlie@a...: > quoting me: > > when Christophe Franke left, so did the cool sequence lines. > I've got to wonder what people are talking about when they say TD's > music doesn't have sequences anymore. Are you thinking of the same band > I am? i think everybody's idea of 'what TD is' totally personal conjecture. i've listened to the 2001 bootleg, DM 1 & 3, and Soundmill Navigator. the over- reliance on factory Korg Trinity sounds and sample CDs left a bad taste in my mouth. but that is my personal feeling. it's just a feeling. i know that they still have 1/8th note and 1/16th note sequence lines in the music, but they no longer use the tools that allow you to focus on _playing_ the sequencer in the way that Franke did. the arpeggiators in the Z1 and JP-8000 (which is what they claim they use for the sequence lines in keyboard mag a couple years ago) do not allow for skipping of steps, the sequencing of clock mixes, or many other interesting things you can do with a modular analogue sequencer to bring variety to a repetetive pattern. the 'playing of the sequencer' element of TD started going away in the late 70s, along with the onset of digital memory sequencers, more rigid roadmaps for their live shows, and better drum machine patterns. which is kinda sad because i like the electronic drums element of the early 80s TD but not the more static sequences. so i guess my point is that no, i'm not talking about the same band you are. and that's okay since there's 30 years of this band to pick and choose how we want to view it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37230 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37231 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37255 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37258 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Conrad Gibbons TangFanIRL Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] T-shirts + Melrose > > >My problem with these Booster packs and now the current 'you have to buy >the Melrose set if you want a T-shirt' thing is that we have ot buy >something we essentially already have to get the T-shirt. > >-Morgan Hi Morgan, the above is just plainly wrong. You can order all shirts separately. You just get USD 5 off the total if you order them as a set... I would really appreciate it if people would verify their comments before they post them. Thanks. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 04:05 22.11.02, you wrote: >but that is my personal feeling. it's just a feeling. i know that they still >have 1/8th note and 1/16th note sequence lines in the music, but they no >longer >use the tools that allow you to focus on _playing_ the sequencer in the way >that Franke did. Dear list, just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please don´t ask me about the truth, as I wasn´t there either... but at least I don´t assert things as being true without actually knowing. To quote Timothy Leary here: think for yourself, question (any) 'authority'. Not meaning to attack you in any way, Eric, by the way. Just trying to give some food for thought. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37231 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37255 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37258 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Conrad Gibbons TangFanIRL Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:00 am Subject: Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' --- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about > asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever > verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or > even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when > TD recorded their albums? It sure wasn't Franke alone, just listen to Edgars solo albums and Baumann solo albums (if you're talking about the 70s that is)...I find just as interesting things in them as with TD. And as Martin said, Franke isn't exactly doing sequencer-stuff these days, well he is but not the step sequency things. You can only guess what TD sounded like when Franke didn't left...in fact I think it wouldn't sound too different then it sounds now. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Falcon Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 10:52 AM 11/22/2002, you wrote: >How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or >even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when >TD recorded their albums? Like many here I also believed, that Edgar was playing guitar and some synths, Chris programmed and triggered the sequencer and Peter (later Johannes) played the Mellotron and piano. Maybe this comes from some of the photos flying around, showing Chris sitting in front of a step sequencer or so, and Edgar holding his precious Stratocaster ;-) . Ramon From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Who cares!!!!!!............................=O) I just want to get hold of the stuff edgar is hiding in the old closet/box/whatever....... Back to White Eagle playing on my stereo.............. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 04:05 22.11.02, you wrote: >but that is my personal feeling. it's just a feeling. i know that they still >have 1/8th note and 1/16th note sequence lines in the music, but they no >longer >use the tools that allow you to focus on _playing_ the sequencer in the way >that Franke did. Dear list, just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please don´t ask me about the truth, as I wasn´t there either... but at least I don´t assert things as being true without actually knowing. To quote Timothy Leary here: think for yourself, question (any) 'authority'. Not meaning to attack you in any way, Eric, by the way. Just trying to give some food for thought. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:36 am Subject: Re: courses in Berlin School There is a new Yahoo group aimed at discussing this very issue - EM_Masterclass is an offshoot of Beyond_EM. At the moment Grant Middleton is showing how he constructed patches for his recent set at Hamphsire Jam 2. Previous posts have covered how to constrcut sequences, hardware sequencers etc. Daniel From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:54 am Subject: Tree help Hi Can anyone in the UK help me out by copying a redbook set of the Tangerine Tree 2? All e-mails to my supplier have bounced. Please reply offlist. Many thanks in advance Brian _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Quasi-Official Use of Fan Materials (was New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!) > I have DVDs where the director filmography (for Chang Cheh) was > taken from my website. Did you ever got a meed? :Ö) Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New Alpha Centauri > >These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto > >the booklet :-(. > Hi Rainer, > of course, you obtained proper licenses from the designers of > the _original_ covers before you put scans onto your website. No, they did not (as I know). > Congratulatiuons, now you can sue the ass off Castle. No I don`t want. But I try to get some promo-records instead...... :-))) Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!! >But!!!! > >To my big surprise, I found 9 photos from the Ultima Thule versions >on vinyl in the booklet. And all(!) are taken from my homepage. >If you want to verify: http://www.rutka.de/td/ultima.html >These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto >the booklet :-(. > > Rainer Interesting... especially because the Electronic Meditation reissue has the following text snippet: 'Photos by Monique Froese & unknown. If any are yours, please step forwards!' or something similar... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37239 Re: New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!! On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, John Vertical wrote: > Interesting... especially because the Electronic Meditation reissue has the > following text snippet: > 'Photos by Monique Froese & unknown. If any are yours, please step > forwards!' or something similar... > John Vertical nono..... because I did the scans for the covers doesn`t mean I have the rights :-| for the pictures. They belong to the artists or whoelse who is the copyright owner. It was just a funny thing IMO how Sanctuary records is working and searching for the pics. Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1576 You know, it worked for John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Maybe Edgar and Jerome could pose 'neked' with a paper tear off cover covering them up and then if you want to see........WHAT AM I SAYING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! AARRGG! These images are now on a Journey Through my Burning Brain!!!! Neal >>Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:33:49 -0500 (EST) >> From: Jonathan Holt >>Subject: Re: Martin's post >> >>As much as I love TD, I never ever want to see Edgar >>or Jerome naked *shudder*. >> >>Now, I'm off to the site to get my Melrose Box-set. >>$30 is great!!! >>I do have to agree that a sound sample or two, or a >>couple of words from TD themselves regarding the ins >>and outs of the re-recording would have been good... >>Still, at least they're not naked... Oh, I can't get >>that out of my head now... AGGGHHHH!!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37247 Re: Digest Number 1576 John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB From: Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:28 pm Subject: new releases Hello all, I think I crawled from under the rock to late. Alpha Centauri has been re-releases, and with an extra track? Other than the new Private Music set, what else has been re-released with extra tracks? Thanks Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37242 Re: new releases Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37260 Re: new releases Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37314 Re: new releases René Brenner fairway_ch Mon 11/25/2002 4 KB 37243 Re: new releases Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37244 Re: new releases heineu heineu Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37245 Re: new releases Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37246 Re: new releases heineu heineu Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB 37253 Re: new releases vic rek kyivmission Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 39221 new releases duncan mckee tangram12 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 strat95@b... wrote: > Hello all, > I think I crawled from under the rock to late. Alpha Centauri has been > re-releases, and with an extra track? Other than the new Private Music set, > what else has been re-released with extra tracks? > Thanks, Neal Hi Neal! Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records by TD. Electronic Meditation and Alpha Centauri AC is enhanced with the bonus-track 'ULTIMA THULE, PART 1' in a paper slipcase with a 8 pages booklet including some photos from the AC years and all covers from Ultima Thule (from my homepage). Together with an essay written by Paul Russell. The sound quality is fine, but the music was not reprocessed. Sadly only Part 1 of Ultima is on the disk. Part 2 is missing again! It`s a nice set, but only for the real DIE-HARDs who are collecting everything. Electronic Meditation was released without an extra-track. More infos, pictures, tracklistings: www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk search for Artist: Tangerine Dream. Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37260 Re: new releases Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB 37314 Re: new releases René Brenner fairway_ch Mon 11/25/2002 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases > Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records > by TD. > > Electronic Meditation > and > Alpha Centauri and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website (but I saw one up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date for 'Atem' was November 11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37244 Re: new releases heineu heineu Fri 11/22/2002 2 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: Re: new releases hello, and also ZEIT, released date 18.11.2002, available on JPC and amazon.de Regards the other Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de -- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records > > by TD. > > > > Electronic Meditation > > and > > Alpha Centauri > > and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website (but I saw one > up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date for 'Atem' was November > 11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site. > > Heiko From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: new releases Hi, are you talking about CD or LP releases? I remember there have been some high quality vinyl re-releases of some pre-Phaedra albums a while ago which I unfortunately never got hold off. Apparently the sound quality of those was very good (I mean proper recording etc. yielding better sound than CD). As I still love high quality vinyl (on my regar planar 3 ;-) ) I would have loved to get these... armin heineu wrote: > hello, > > and also ZEIT, released date 18.11.2002, available on JPC and > amazon.de > > Regards > the other Heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > -- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > >> >>> Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique >>> > records > >>>by TD. >>> >>>Electronic Meditation >>>and >>>Alpha Centauri >>> >>and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website >> > (but I saw one > >>up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date >> > for 'Atem' was November > >>11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site. >> >>Heiko >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37246 Re: new releases heineu heineu Fri 11/22/2002 4 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:44 pm Subject: Re: new releases Hello, all four new releases are CD-Releases on Sanctury Records. Cheers Heiko - Mr. Optical --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote: > > Hi, > > are you talking about CD or LP releases? I remember there > have been some high quality vinyl re-releases of some pre-Phaedra > albums a while ago which I unfortunately never got hold off. > Apparently the sound quality of those was very good (I mean > proper recording etc. yielding better sound than CD). > As I still love high quality vinyl (on my regar planar 3 ;-) ) > I would have loved to get these... > > armin > > heineu wrote: > > > hello, > > > > and also ZEIT, released date 18.11.2002, available on JPC and > > amazon.de > > > > Regards > > the other Heiko - Mr. Optical > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > -- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > >> > >>> Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique > >>> > > records > > > >>>by TD. > >>> > >>>Electronic Meditation > >>>and > >>>Alpha Centauri > >>> > >>and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website > >> > > (but I saw one > > > >>up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date > >> > > for 'Atem' was November > > > >>11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site. > >> > >>Heiko > >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1576 >You know, it worked for John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Maybe Edgar and Jerome >could pose 'neked' with a paper tear off cover covering them up and then if >you want to see........WHAT AM I SAYING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! > >AARRGG! These images are now on a Journey Through my Burning Brain!!!! > >Neal Too bad that TD don't have that much female audience... but don't forget Iris (too bad Linda Spa isn't a member anymore) John Vertical (what kind of a topic is this?!) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' > >How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or > >even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when > >TD recorded their albums? > >Like many here I also believed, that Edgar was playing guitar and some >synths, Chris programmed and triggered the sequencer and Peter (later >Johannes) played the Mellotron and piano. Maybe this comes from some of the >photos flying around, showing Chris sitting in front of a step sequencer or >so, and Edgar holding his precious Stratocaster ;-) . > >Ramon Hmmm... and then there's the tale that it was Chris whose work the Phaedra sequencing was. Concerning Peter, is there really any evidence (besides Sequent 'C) that all the wonderful mellotron flute passages in eg. TT vol. 6 pt 1, Cherokee Lane, 3am at the Border of the Marsh... were his doing? I wonder where did I catch that bit of information in the first place at all. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37250 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37261 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37266 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD >Today, by contrast, people like us are seen as a hopeless, nerdy, >anachronistic sect of Dream Disciples who have no social skills to speak of >and therefore convene in secretive little meetings to listen to lift music >together... > >Dennis You know, this resembles my life in an eerie way... (except for the 'together' part) ;] John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: Falcon Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 04:03 PM 11/22/2002, you wrote: >Concerning Peter, is there really any evidence (besides Sequent 'C) that all >the wonderful mellotron flute passages in eg. TT vol. 6 pt 1, Cherokee Lane, >3am at the Border of the Marsh... were his doing? I wonder where did I catch >that bit of information in the first place at all. Did you ever read the Encore cd inlay ? Edgar Froese equipment (besides other) - Gibson Les Paul Custon Guitars, Twin Keyboard Mellotron Mark V, Moog Synth Chris Franke - Moog Modular Synth (perfect for doing sequencing, at least in 1977), Project Electronic Sequencer, Computerstudio Digital Sequencer, Mellotron M400 - Peter Baumann - Project Electronic Modular Synth, Fender Rhodes Piano, Mellotron M400 all of them had a Mellotron, but i think, they just couldnt change the tape cartridge on stage, so one played the flute, the other played the strings and the third played the mellochoir. I sure know, this is no evidence at all, but at least a hint, who played what part. just my 2 cents. . . Ramon PS: I wonder, what Peter used the vocoder for on Encore. . . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37261 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 11/22/2002 3 KB 37266 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' >Did you ever read the Encore cd inlay ? yes... >all of them had a Mellotron, but i think, they just couldnt change the tape >cartridge on stage, so one played the flute, the other played the strings >and the third played the mellochoir. > >I sure know, this is no evidence at all, but at least a hint, who played >what part. Circular reasoning indeed. Peter played the flute because he had the flute cartridge? So how we know that he had the flute cartridge? (and wasn't Cherokee Lane reconstructed in studio?) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: courses in Berlin School Cool, however, yahoo seems to have me on their bug list the last few weeks. I will add this to my list to check out. heck who knows, if I add another list maybe yahoo will update the data base and all will be fine for a while again. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: courses in Berlin School > There is a new Yahoo group aimed at discussing this very issue - > EM_Masterclass is an offshoot of Beyond_EM. > > At the moment Grant Middleton is showing how he constructed patches for his > recent set at Hamphsire Jam 2. Previous posts have covered how to constrcut > sequences, hardware sequencers etc. > > Daniel > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: new releases Yes! Electronic Mediatation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem are the new releases on Sanctuary. But, there are similar counterpart releases from Russia from 2001 of: Zeit, Atem which come in a CD sleeve and are on the SomeWax Recordings label. I hear that these are officially licensed releases from Russia. They have the formal hologram tax stamps. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: heineu > all four new releases are CD-Releases on Sanctury Records. > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Optical From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:11 pm Subject: The Fight Has Just Begun Subject: The fight has begun! scroll down \\ \ | | / // \\\ \\ // /// \\\ ######### /// \\ ### ### // -- ## ## -- -- ## squish!! ## -- -- ## ## -- // ### ### \\ /// ######## \\\ /// // \\ \\\ // / | | \ \\ / | \ ~You have just been hit with an e-mail snow ball!~ It's the start of..... The Great Snow Ball Fight 2002 - 2003!! One rule to this game.... You can NOT hit someone who has already hit you! Now... go out there and get as many people as you can, before they get you! I got you first! and you can't get me back! Nanee - Nanee - Nanee! (hehe) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Quoting TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak : > verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* ---- snip ---- > Not meaning to attack you in any way, Eric, by the way. Just trying to > give some food for thought. i didn't mean to come off like that at all. i can see your point totally. exactly the same thing happened with Japan. they sounded one way when they broke up, then when everyone in the band started doing solo stuff it sounded totally different _but_everyone_had_the_same_vibe_. i'm going to listen to Stuntman tonight, just for you Martin. thanks for getting back to me about Streethawk so quickly. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fans in Portugal vic rek wrote: > > Are there any fans on this list from Portugal? > I am looking for a few TD items form this country and I was wondering if > anyone can help? Vic, I answered you privately yesterday. Didn't you receive my e-mail? Antonio Nunes, in Portugal np: Paul Ellis - Appears to vanish From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:37 pm Subject: thanx Hello Dreamers, Thanks to everyone who helped with tangents... Any new info interests me ;o) Best Regards Fred NP : JMJ, sessions 2000 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Martin wrote: Dear list, just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please don´t ask me about the truth, as I wasn´t there either... but at least I don´t assert things as being true without actually knowing. Well, I was one such witness at his 1991 Concert in London - I was lucky enough to help him out setting up etc. and I was on the stage (to the right) while he performed. Listen to the live version of Purple Waves and you'll here excellent sequencing which is unique to CF and does not appear on any TD record! :-) So, would that be proof??!!! ;-) ;-) Pity he hasn't matched that level of clever sequencing since! Aside from this I take your point but creating so called 'truths'! Regards, Conrad Gibbons From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1577 <> I have a double LP reissue of Alpha Centuari and Atem on, I think, Virgin Records. I'm not sure when this came out, but I'm guessing it was sometime in the early 80's. The labels on the records are the tan coloured ones, like on my LP copy of Tangram. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases >Sadly only Part 1 of Ultima is on the disk. Part 2 is missing again! Makes you wonder, what's on the mind of these people? should I answer? ;) GJ np: Solaris 1990 - Eden owner of an old Relativity EM. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' > From: Falcon [mailto:falcon@r...] > > all of them had a Mellotron, but i think, they just couldnt > change the tape > cartridge on stage, so one played the flute, the other played > the strings > and the third played the mellochoir. > > I sure know, this is no evidence at all, but at least a hint, > who played > what part. :-) Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them so they could easily change between strings, flute and choir? Yes they had 3 sets so it could easily be Edgar or Chris or Peter who played that part. I think they all played various mellotron tapes, just listen to Epsilon... In the end it doesn't matter who played what, it is the result and music that came out of it. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37266 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:42 pm Subject: Happy Thanksgiving > > <> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Hi Conrad, Yes he did excel, as did Tim Blake et al .Wait a minute , wasn't that the Astoria! or have the mists of time eluded me. The genesis AMP records had a role as well, correct me if I'm wrong. See you in the queue in February. Regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Conrad Gibbons' To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' > > Martin wrote: > > Dear list, > > just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about > asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever > verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or > even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when > TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a > sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts > were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or > was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences > so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean > about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please > dont ask me about the truth, as I wasnt there either... but at least I > dont assert things as being true without actually knowing. > > Well, > > I was one such witness at his 1991 Concert in London - I was lucky enough to > help him out setting up etc. and I was on the stage (to the right) while he > performed. Listen to the live version of Purple Waves and you'll here > excellent sequencing which is unique to CF and does not appear on any TD > record! :-) So, would that be proof??!!! ;-) ;-) Pity he hasn't matched > that level of clever sequencing since! > > Aside from this I take your point but creating so called 'truths'! > > Regards, > > Conrad Gibbons > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 2:59 am Subject: EMUSIC Playliat #296 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #296 November 21, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc two of the two CD set 'Atmospheric Conditions' by Free System Projekt on the Quantum label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Games' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Two Dutch Bands http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Delta One Games (Passport Records) Mike Griffin and Please Identify Imprint (Hypnos) Dave Fulton Richard Pinhas RF (for) Event and Repetitions (Cuneiform) Ixohoxi Recurring Daydream Somnabulae (MP3.COM) Robert Carty and Polar Shift Climatic Infusion (none) Brannan Lane John Flomer Praying with Fire On a Stranger Light (Spotted Peccary) Stephen Philips Stream of Reflections in Water (Dark Consciousness * Duck) 12:00 am Free System Projekt Larissa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Proteus Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Triton Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Neried Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from 'Cloudseeder' by Wave World on the VFR label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Cords' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #295 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > >Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records) > >Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records) > Just a little comment I felt like doing, Audion is amazing. I highly recommend it. Great mood, and I always think of a big metropolis at night, raining, Blade Runner etc, when I listen to it. Very nice way to start this radio show. A pity I don't have an EM show on my radio here. Hi Gustavo, What country is signified by the .br in your address? > gustavojobim@s... Depending on your time zone, you could listen to EMUSIC on the web! Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:36 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 11:23 PM 11/22/2002, you wrote: >Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them >so they could easily change between strings, flute and >choir? Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. But I think (not know), he was the one having these partly odd sounds on his mellotron soundbank (water closet reverse, waterdrops, battle cry, this odd alien sound a.s.o.). And I've nelieve to remember ;-) to have read something about 'different' mellotron flute playing during the 2.4.1975 London concert (while Peter was on an illumination-trip) by Michael Hoenig. We could continue for weeks to discuss this and wouldn't come any further. It sounds good 'as is', no matter who played what part. Period. :-) Oh, and Marcel, the FSP concert at Hampshire Jam 2001 : Excellent ! Please more ! :-))) Ramon From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' > >Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them > >so they could easily change between strings, flute and > >choir? > >Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the >same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. Or two persons *both* playing the Mellotron? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37268 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 08:24 AM 11/23/2002, you wrote: > >Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the > >same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only > >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. > > >Or two persons *both* playing the Mellotron? The point was, that you can switch the sound on the mellotron, but you cant play more than one tapebank at a time. Of course could, for example, Edgar and Peter have played their personal mellotron, while Chris was preparing the sequence. I meant, only Edgar could have played both strings and flute alone, since he had a twin keyb. mellotron with 2 separate tapebanks. Little mis-understanding. Ramon From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' I believe you right here, mellotron playing while Chris prepared the next part of the piece. In the 80's, it sounds as if this time was taken by pre recorded parts while knob turning was done..... Paulus.d -----Original Message----- From: Falcon To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 23 November 2002 07:39 Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' >At 08:24 AM 11/23/2002, you wrote: >> >Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the >> >same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only >> >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. >> >> >>Or two persons *both* playing the Mellotron? > >The point was, that you can switch the sound on the mellotron, but you cant >play more than one tapebank at a time. Of course could, for example, Edgar >and Peter have played their personal mellotron, while Chris was preparing >the sequence. I meant, only Edgar could have played both strings and flute >alone, since he had a twin keyb. mellotron with 2 separate tapebanks. >Little mis-understanding. > >Ramon > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Are you refering to the odd seagull sort of sound in Tt1 vol 1? this sound is still present in Yellowstone park, klemania etc Paulus.d -----Original Message----- From: Falcon To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 23 November 2002 05:35 Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' >At 11:23 PM 11/22/2002, you wrote: >>Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them >>so they could easily change between strings, flute and >>choir? > >Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the >same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. But I think >(not know), he was the one having these partly odd sounds on his mellotron >soundbank (water closet reverse, waterdrops, battle cry, this odd alien >sound a.s.o.). And I've nelieve to remember ;-) to have read something >about 'different' mellotron flute playing during the 2.4.1975 London >concert (while Peter was on an illumination-trip) by Michael Hoenig. >We could continue for weeks to discuss this and wouldn't come any further. >It sounds good 'as is', no matter who played what part. Period. :-) >Oh, and Marcel, the FSP concert at Hampshire Jam 2001 : Excellent ! Please >more ! :-))) > >Ramon > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37271 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 11:30 AM 11/23/2002, you wrote: >Are you refering to the odd seagull sort of sound in Tt1 vol 1? this sound >is still present in Yellowstone park, klemania etc Thats one sound of a special custom made mellotron tapebank by TD. All the sounds in the seventies, which could not be created with synths (samplers werent invented at that time), come from the mellotron, custom made tapebank to be exact. This includes the crow sound, this alien sound on Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound, this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this sound, since he was using it after he left TD. Ramon From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' >Are you refering to the odd seagull sort of sound in Tt1 vol 1? this sound >is still present in Yellowstone park, klemania etc > >Paulus.d > > >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. But I think > >(not know), he was the one having these partly odd sounds on his >mellotron > >soundbank (water closet reverse, waterdrops, battle cry, this odd alien > >sound a.s.o.) > > > >Ramon I'm in fact compiling a database on (among other similar things) the appearences of all these strange voices... from the 70s I have: -the Alien Seagull -the strange percussion sounds from eg. Ricochet Part 2 (when the strange ricochet part fades in) -the various howls from eg. Coldwater Canyon, around 12 minutes -the 'airplane attack' (as I call it) from eg. TT vol. 1 pt 1 (ca. 25 minutes) and the percussion clashes following these -and of course bird voices, but they're so common I'm not listing them I don't really recall anything like 'waterdrops'; could you specify where this is to be found? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37274 Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample > Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound, > this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this Hello, Ramon and Dreamers, When I used to hear the radio in the '80s, it was my method to understand TD had released an album I didn't know : The 'seagull' :-)) At this time, I hardly discovered Peter Baumann's 'Transharmonic Nights'. But I did ;o) (it was Meridian Moorland). Meadow Of infinity (from romance '76) contains it too (around 3:00) Another great sound sample IMHO is the one in Ricochet part 1 starting both @ 6:27 / 6:38 and Mojave Plan @ 14:22 (is it the same, really ?) I thought I hearded this one elsewhere, but I can't remember... any idea ? Later, Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37275 Re: seagull sample Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sat 11/23/2002 3 KB 37277 Re: seagull sample Fred Yargui fredyargui Sat 11/23/2002 4 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD' At 12:15 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote: >I don't really recall anything like 'waterdrops'; could you specify where >this is to be found? I described it a bit wrong, its actually that 'splashing' sound. You can hear it on the Danger Live boot, first track (38:14). It was used during various concerts from 75-76, but doesnt seem to appear on any of the official albums. Also interesting is one percussion sound, to be found on Ricochet Part 2 (13:54), followed by an odd voice sample. This one also appears on various concert recordings. Ramon From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, in German! Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO mellotron flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute? Paulus.d -----Original Message----- From: Fred Yargui To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 23 November 2002 11:18 Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample >> Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound, >> this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this > >Hello, Ramon and Dreamers, > >When I used to hear the radio in the '80s, it was my method to understand TD >had released an album I didn't know : > >The 'seagull' :-)) > >At this time, I hardly discovered Peter Baumann's 'Transharmonic Nights'. >But I did ;o) (it was Meridian Moorland). >Meadow Of infinity (from romance '76) contains it too (around 3:00) > >Another great sound sample IMHO is the one in Ricochet part 1 starting both >@ 6:27 / 6:38 and Mojave Plan @ 14:22 (is it the same, really ?) >I thought I hearded this one elsewhere, but I can't remember... any idea ? > >Later, > >Fred > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:21 pm Subject: Piano playing in TD I think most in concert piano playing is Edgar? With Pergamon being an exception!!! Paulus.d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37280 Re: Piano playing in TD John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB 37284 Re: Piano playing in TD Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample So it was that !!! Kraftwerk's 'numbers' is not so original now ;o)) I'll listen this passage again, then... Later, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, in > German! > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO mellotron > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute? > > Paulus.d > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Yargui > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: 23 November 2002 11:18 > Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample > > > >> Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound, > >> this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this > > > >Hello, Ramon and Dreamers, > > > >When I used to hear the radio in the '80s, it was my method to understand > TD > >had released an album I didn't know : > > > >The 'seagull' :-)) > > > >At this time, I hardly discovered Peter Baumann's 'Transharmonic Nights'. > >But I did ;o) (it was Meridian Moorland). > >Meadow Of infinity (from romance '76) contains it too (around 3:00) > > > >Another great sound sample IMHO is the one in Ricochet part 1 starting both > >@ 6:27 / 6:38 and Mojave Plan @ 14:22 (is it the same, really ?) > >I thought I hearded this one elsewhere, but I can't remember... any idea ? > > > >Later, > > > >Fred > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:57 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 23, 2002 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #12 November 23, 2002. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [Fanger & Kersten] Terraforming First Decade 1992-2002 (Manikin) VA [Ron Boots & Sequence Piece Sequences No. 27 (none) Kees Aerts] VA [Keller & Virtual World Sequences No. 27 (none) Schonwalder] Ian Boddy Ecliptic Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Vox Lumina Aurora (DiN) Jeff Pearce The Last Secret Bleed (Hypnos) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Philip Glass and Naqoyqasti Naqoyqasti (SONY Classical) Yo-Yo Ma Willy Porter Moonbeam The Trees Have Soul (Don't) Willy Porter Cut the Rope Falling Forward (Six Degrees) Willy Porter All Fall Down Willy Porter (Six Degrees) Alias Zone Dervish Lucid Dreams (Cyber Motion) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Genesis The Lamb Lies Down On Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Broadway Genesis Fly On a Windshield Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Broadway Melody of 1974 Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Cuckoo Cocoon Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis In the Cage Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis The Grand Parade of Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Lifeless Packaging Genesis Back in N.Y.C. Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Hairless Heart Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Counting Out Time Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Carpet Crawlers Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis The Chamber of 32 Doors Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on December 7. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] samples > > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting >1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, >in > > German! > > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO >mellotron > > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute? > > > > Paulus.d There's fast german speech also on: White Eagle (though female?) Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box ) Song of the Whale, end of pt 1 Sohoman (Conv. 24 / WE) > >I don't really recall anything like 'waterdrops'; could you specify where > >this is to be found? > >I described it a bit wrong, its actually that 'splashing' sound. >You can hear it on the Danger Live boot, first track (38:14). It was used >during various concerts from 75-76, but doesnt seem to appear on any of the >official albums. Also interesting is one percussion sound, to be found on >Ricochet Part 2 (13:54), followed by an odd voice sample. This one also >appears on various concert recordings. > >Ramon Okay. I haven't payed much attention to this sound because I so far have no other appearences of it than this.. If I may list a few more: -a strange sinewave buzzing noise at the beginnings of Cherokee Lane and TT8, and also at the end of Rain Forest (from Sorcerer) -these certain howls on Ricochet pt 1 (around 14-16 minutes, I'd say), Coldwater Canyon (circa 12 mins), a lone appearence on Monolight where the first sequence ends, multiply on Midnight in Tula, and at the beginning of the final Horizon segment (Ayers Majestic too) -what I call the '70s end coda' (not sure if the term is correct) on TT1 pt 2, TT7 pt 3, TT13 Mannh. pt 1, Saarbr. pt 2 I can email a copy of what I have in my database so far if someone is interested... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37282 Re: samples Fred Yargui fredyargui Sat 11/23/2002 3 KB 37283 Re: samples Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB 37290 Re: samples John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 11/24/2002 3 KB 37292 Re: samples Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB 37291 Re: samples John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 11/24/2002 3 KB 37293 Re: samples Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piano playing in TD >I think most in concert piano playing is Edgar? >With Pergamon being an exception!!! >Paulus.d Both Edgar and Peter are credited with a piano on the Encore sleeve notes... and from 86 onwards it was usually Paul. John Vertical PS: On the point of multiple flutes on Ricochet pt 2 (which I forgot to add to my last message, so it's here instead) - the intro in fact has THREE of them, after the piano has faded out. But since neither of these bits (this and the 2nd appearence after the ricochet section) was really played live - see TT vol. 7 part 2 - there's no problem here. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37284 Re: Piano playing in TD Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/23/2002 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:43 pm Subject: Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box ) (was samples) On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:07:37 +0200 'John Vertical' writes: > There's fast german speech also on: > White Eagle (though female?) > Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box ) Oooo! Great track, that one! I dare say, one of the best TD-related recordings ever made. ROMANCE '76 is excellent, but this track is even better. Steven Feldman From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] samples John, what a connoisseur ;o) I tried to change the speed with and without tune adjustment but, I couldn't hear the eins zwei drei ;o)) Did you remember on the old list, we found out at the end of one of EF's solo track there were piano sounds played backwards... Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] samples > > > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting > >1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, > >in > > > German! > > > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO > >mellotron > > > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute? > > > > > > Paulus.d > > > There's fast german speech also on: > White Eagle (though female?) > Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box ) > Song of the Whale, end of pt 1 > Sohoman (Conv. 24 / WE) > From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] samples At 04:07 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote: >a strange sinewave buzzing noise at the beginnings of Cherokee Lane and >TT8, and also at the end of Rain Forest (from Sorcerer) This is not a mellotron sound, but a simple noise-generator routed through a low- or bandpass filter. >-these certain howls on Ricochet pt 1 (around 14-16 minutes, I'd say), >Coldwater Canyon (circa 12 mins), a lone appearence on Monolight where the >first sequence ends, multiply on Midnight in Tula, and at the beginning of >the final Horizon segment (Ayers Majestic too) You mean Coldwater Canyon, do you ? This alien sound, which is sounds like a looped up-pitch of a sine, right ? Ramon From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piano playing in TD At 04:13 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote: >On the point of multiple flutes on Ricochet pt 2 (which I forgot to add >to my last message, so it's here instead) - the intro in fact has THREE of >them, I dont understand, you can play the mellotron polyphonic, i fact, you can press all 32 keys simultaneously. If this sounds any good, is another question. . . ;-) Or did you mean something else ? Ramon From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream[Gods Greatest Gift] Tangerine Dream-Poland-Rubycon-Pergamon.TD The Greatest. From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:50 pm Subject: re: (samplers werent invented at that time), >(samplers werent invented at that time), [pedant] true they were invented decades earlier--after all tape recorders sample what you record--as did the old metal cylinders from the early 20th century......Edison did some field sampling, too IIRC. perhaps you meant easily to manipulate 'dime a dozen' type digital samplers...... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37287 Re: (samplers werent invented at that time), Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB From: Falcon Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: (samplers werent invented at that time), At 12:50 AM 11/24/2002, you wrote: >after all tape recorders sample >what you record--as did the old metal cylinders from the early 20th >century......Edison did some field sampling, too IIRC. > >perhaps you meant easily to manipulate 'dime a dozen' type digital >samplers...... No no, i meant exactly what you described here, this must be perfect to be used on-stage ;-)) (just kidding) Actually, the very first sampler (though simple) was the human brain. . . Ramon From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:02 am Subject: Steve Schroyder - Music for Qigong Dancing I have a few original CDRs made by Steve Schroyder (Alpha Centauri - Zeit) of some awesome chillout electronics. This CD is NOT available anywhere else and all profits go to Steve. I only have a few copies. The price is $23 ea. If you wish to see a scan of this CD go to: http://www.ricochetdream.com/SSOQD.jpg Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks, VicRek www.ricochetdream.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37302 Re: Steve Schroyder - Music for Qigong Dancing Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sun 11/24/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:06 am Subject: Barracuda I just have recently obtained two different versions of the Barrcuda VHS PAL tapes. I unfortunately have no way of watching this, but I would love to hear the soundtrack by Klaus Schulze. Has anyone seen this horror flick? I also wonder what his Body Love movie is like? You may take a look at the scans at: http://www.ricochetdream.com/Bcuda.jpg Vic From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] samples > >a strange sinewave buzzing noise at the beginnings of Cherokee Lane and > >TT8, and also at the end of Rain Forest (from Sorcerer) > >This is not a mellotron sound, but a simple noise-generator routed through >a low- or bandpass filter. But it still appears used in a similar fashion as mellotron sound effects (it always plays the same pattern) > >-these certain howls on Ricochet pt 1 (around 14-16 minutes, I'd say), > >Coldwater Canyon (circa 12 mins), a lone appearence on Monolight where >the > >first sequence ends, multiply on Midnight in Tula, and at the beginning >of > >the final Horizon segment (Ayers Majestic too) > >You mean Coldwater Canyon, do you ? This alien sound, which is sounds like >a looped up-pitch of a sine, right ? > >Ramon Well, yes. It's pretty commonly used... (several appearences on live shows too) > >On the point of multiple flutes on Ricochet pt 2 (which I forgot to add > >to my last message, so it's here instead) - the intro in fact has THREE >of > >them, > >I dont understand, you can play the mellotron polyphonic, i fact, you can >press all 32 keys simultaneously. If this sounds any good, is another >question. . . ;-) > >Or did you mean something else ? > >Ramon Excuse my lousy technical knowledge. I know what things sound like, but not much about how they're done.. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37292 Re: samples Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] samples >John, what a connoisseur ;o) >I tried to change the speed with and without tune adjustment but, I >couldn't >hear the eins zwei drei ;o)) >Did you remember on the old list, we found out at the end of one of EF's >solo track there were piano sounds played backwards... > >Fred 'Remember' the old list? Geez, I was in elementary school back then..! This einzwaidrai theory wasn't mine but Paulus D's instead... >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'John Vertical' >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:07 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] samples > > > > > > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting > > >1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, > > >in > > > > German! > > > > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO > > >mellotron > > > > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute? > > > > > > > > Paulus.d > > > > > > There's fast german speech also on: > > White Eagle (though female?) > > Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box ) > > Song of the Whale, end of pt 1 > > Sohoman (Conv. 24 / WE) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Falcon Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] samples At 10:08 AM 11/24/2002, you wrote: >Excuse my lousy technical knowledge. I know what things sound like, but not >much about how they're done.. F.Y.I. : www.sonicstate.com (both old and new synths) and, of course, www.mellotron.com Ramon From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] samples Ooops ;o) Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] samples > > > 'Remember' the old list? Geez, I was in elementary school back then..! > This einzwaidrai theory wasn't mine but Paulus D's instead... > From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:27 am Subject: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens Just when did TD play the Lycabettus theatre in Athens? I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984. Can anyone help to determine the definitive date? With evidence of course! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37296 Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB 37297 Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB 37298 Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB 37299 Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens kostas karlis soluok Sun 11/24/2002 3 KB 37301 Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens pfellows@c... paulfellowstd Sun 11/24/2002 2 KB 37304 Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens braddito braddito Mon 11/25/2002 2 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:02 pm Subject: Moaning Martin wrote: (...now here´s an interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again... sometimes it seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to complain, no matter what we do... ;-)) Have you only just spotted that! Oh Martin, no-one who is in a measure of 'control' can ever get it right. TDI 'control' our access to the things we desperately want, therefore you will always be in the wrong. You don't sell the things we want to buy. If you do, it's too expensive. It takes too long to get here. The packaging is lousy. The sleeve notes are wrong. If they're not wrong, the spelling and grammar is cr*p. The sleeve design is cheesy.... etc. etc. etc. The thing is, you will only hear from the unhappy people (except on the TDI forum, apparently). The rest of us are too busy enjoying what we have to get round to saying thanks. And... people complain because they care. We want everything associated with the things we care about to be _perfect_. No-one can achieve perfection. So we complain. You should be far more worried if your activities are greeted by a wave of apathy. LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37300 Re: Moaning John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 11/24/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens Hi Hilary, I have a press cutting review of the Athens concerts written by Omiros Karajas, who I believe is the guy who interviewed TD in the studio for the TV broadcast. In the review, he says TD played two concerts at the Lycabettus Amphitheatre at the end of August, and the second took place on the 31st. There is no mention of what year it was, but most people seem to think it was 1984. Hope that helps. - Chris From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens From: 'Hilary Wright' > > I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st > Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984. The correct dates are 30th and 31st August: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/82-83.html Maff From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens From: 'Matthew Sawyer' > The correct dates are 30th and 31st August: And I forgot to mention, 1983. There were no TD tours during 1984 and 1985 Maff From: kostas karlis Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens > Just when did TD play the Lycabettus theatre in Athens? > > I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st > Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984. > > Can anyone help to determine the definitive date? With evidence of course! > > hello from athens i cannot give you any more help than this in my version of the cd-r [no i was not there to tape this as i was only 6 at the time] there is tha date 10.06.84 but the facts are the followings there is a sort version of an interview with TD where the anouncer says ' lets here the show that they played 2 weeks before' [the program the interview was broadcasted was in a friday night] also there is part of logos-lp in the second part of athens lycabetus [therefore its a latter show] and also the anouncer says something that this is a world first for the 'TAO' session [this means the 5 first tracks i.e. the first part of the show] and also there is this thing that the anouncer for the greek tv says ' world premier from greek TV' so i guess that greek TV must have the show in video-tape [and in good quality i guess] does anybody have a clue for this video? there is also an TD show in 1996 in greece that was cancelled for your info hope i helped if not sorry [a great thank you to the one provided this recording to me, and to the one recorded this in the first palce- and of course to TD for playing it] all the best kostas from athens p.s. i just spend my hole weekend trying to fix my pc and listening to athens live this time helps me a lot [ I had a long time to play this and its a pitty cause its a great show] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Moaning >The thing is, you will only hear from the unhappy people (except on the TDI >forum, apparently). The rest of us are too busy enjoying what we have to >get round to saying thanks. > >And... people complain because they care. We want everything associated >with the things we care about to be _perfect_. No-one can achieve >perfection. So we complain. You should be far more worried if your >activities are greeted by a wave of apathy. > >LnH > >Marion Indeed. For example, even if I say that 'Cliffs of Sydney is not that good a piece' I still think it beats some 80% of the other music I know... this we often forget to mention! John Vertical fave TD piece of the moment (not playing though): Journey Through A Burning Brain _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: pfellows@c... Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens >From: 'Matthew Sawyer' > >> The correct dates are 30th and 31st August: > > >And I forgot to mention, 1983. There were no TD tours during 1984 and 1985 > >Maff I'll second that Paul From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Steve Schroyder - Music for Qigong Dancing This album opens with a montage of all the styles to be found on the rest of the disc. Then each style is expanded into its own. The individual tracks stand alone, but also have a lot in common with the other tracks. The selections on Qigong Dancing can be heard separately, but the album really benefits from being heard in one or two sittings, as it all ties together. We are brought from the most ambient environment into ethnic sounds and finally some true dance music is heard. I'd recommend it to anyone. :) -Morgan At 01:02 AM 11/24/2002 -0500, vic rek wrote: >I have a few original CDRs made by Steve Schroyder (Alpha Centauri - Zeit) >of some awesome chillout electronics. This CD is NOT available anywhere >else and all profits go to Steve. I only have a few copies. The price is >$23 ea. If you wish to see a scan of this CD go to: >http://www.ricochetdream.com/SSOQD.jpg >Please contact me off list if interested. > >Thanks, >VicRek >www.ricochetdream.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:15 am Subject: Semi-OT: Ryoan-ji pictures Hi everyone-- Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but on Saturday I visited Ryoan-ji in Kyoto, Japan. This is the temple that inspired the TD track 'Zen Garden' from 'Le Parc,' so I thought some people might be interested in seeing the photos that I took there. They can be found on my Web site: http://www.quarlie.com/pictures/pictures.php?folder=20021123ryoanji Sorry if the layout screws up on your computer. It looks all right on mine, but I can't predict how other browsers will react. That's CSS for you. --Daniel NP: VNV Nation - Empires From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 8:40 am Subject: Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens Hi Hilary, this is something that I have been wondering too as the DVD R recently made available by a member of this group clearly has 1982 in the run in to the show. The opening section is the same as the opening to Poland, hence, if it really was the first performance as claimed by Greek TV, it has to be before the Poland shows. I don't speak Greek, so I can't tell what the other captions say, but I can't see why they would put that on the tape if the show was from 1983 ? Not much help I'm afraid. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Hilary Wright' wrote: > Just when did TD play the Lycabettus theatre in Athens? > > I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st > Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984. > > Can anyone help to determine the definitive date? With evidence of course! From: Mr Paul Dryden Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 1:17 pm Subject: TT2 vol15 Have been lisening to vol 15, wow is all I can say!!! I thought I wasn't keen on TD's newer stuff, but this is great!!! If the London gig is simlar, I won't be too disappointed! The only odd bit is the 'little song' and its circulation? Does anyone have an English translation for the press conference? Best Regs Paulus.d -- From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 2:57 pm Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus >Hi Hilary, this is something that I have been wondering too as the >DVD R recently made available by a member of this group clearly has >1982 in the run in to the show. The opening section is the same as >the opening to Poland, hence, if it really was the first performance >as claimed by Greek TV, it has to be before the Poland shows. I don't >speak Greek, so I can't tell what the other captions say, but I can't >see why they would put that on the tape if the show was from 1983 ? There is little question that the Athens Lycabettus Theater shows took place on 1983 Aug 30 and 1983 Aug 31. It is strange that even TD has used the much bandied-about 1984 date (Dream Roots Collection booklet) and that this show has been given so many possible dates in artwork, labeling, and concert/bootleg lists. As for being the 'first performance' of Poland, the Athens show cannot take this credit. The track we now refer to as 'Poland' was first performed during the 4 (5?) Japanese shows in June 1983. The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'. The introduction of 'Horizon', 'Barbakane' (the first movement of which is a 1984 studio creation), 'Warsaw in the Sun' (the second movement of Barbakane), and the 'Rarebird' encore all can be traced to the Germany/Poland shows in November-December of which we seem to have incomplete venue/date records. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37307 Re: Athens Lycabettus Morgan Feldon feldon23 Mon 11/25/2002 2 KB 37309 Re: Athens Lycabettus Hilary Wright dreamstogo Mon 11/25/2002 3 KB 37310 Re: Athens Lycabettus Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Mon 11/25/2002 3 KB 37324 Re: Athens Lycabettus Hilary Wright dreamstogo Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB 37311 Re: Athens Lycabettus Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Mon 11/25/2002 2 KB 37312 UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 11/25/2002 3 KB 37315 Re: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... Heiko Heerssen td_freak Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus >The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first >performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'. > >The introduction of 'Horizon', 'Barbakane' (the first movement of which is >a 1984 studio creation), 'Warsaw in the Sun' (the second movement of >Barbakane), and the 'Rarebird' encore all can be traced to the >Germany/Poland shows in November-December of which we seem to have >incomplete venue/date records. > >-Morgan Yes, I'm replying to my own message. To add some info, the second half of Horizon DID premiere at the Athens shows. -Morgan np. 1983.08.30 Athens Lycabettus p.s. Anyone notice that the videotape of this concert that's floating around might be from a different show than the bootleg? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37309 Re: Athens Lycabettus Hilary Wright dreamstogo Mon 11/25/2002 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 1969: Full length (!) End-Theme online ! UNDERGROUND On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Fred Yargui wrote: > Hello again, Rainer ! > Thanx for the explanations. > I think I will reserve one set. I can send you my CDR-list if you want. > I can send you paypal or cash otherwise. > The link to the full version is still ill :-> > And I prefer this music to the original electronic meditation :-) > Cheers, > Fred Hi Fred! Plase send your address.... I missed it and it was not in your emails. Rest (payment....) will follow... Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rainer Rutka E -Mail : rainer@k... Griesseggstrasse 27 D Handy : +49 (0)175 / 52 50 402 Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.k-r.de www.rutka.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:40 pm Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group seem to back these dates. That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much confusion over a concert date? Chris, do you have a scan of the press cutting you mention? Hilary --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first > >performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'. > > > >The introduction of 'Horizon', 'Barbakane' (the first movement of which is > >a 1984 studio creation), 'Warsaw in the Sun' (the second movement of > >Barbakane), and the 'Rarebird' encore all can be traced to the > >Germany/Poland shows in November-December of which we seem to have > >incomplete venue/date records. > > > >-Morgan > > Yes, I'm replying to my own message. To add some info, the second half of > Horizon DID premiere at the Athens shows. > > -Morgan > > np. 1983.08.30 Athens Lycabettus > p.s. Anyone notice that the videotape of this concert that's floating > around might be from a different show than the bootleg? From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus Hi Hilary, I think it's safe to go with 30 & 31 August 1983 as it seems to be the consensus view. I don't have a scan of the press cutting in question, but I'll try and get one done for you this week. Would anyone else be interested in seeing it? If so, forgive my non-techiness, but how do I get it to you all? Copy and paste it into a posting, or upload it to the yahoo group? Any help would be appreciated! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Wright To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus > Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for > 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group > seem to back these dates. > > That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is > wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong > and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much > confusion over a concert date? > > Chris, do you have a scan of the press cutting you mention? > > Hilary > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37324 Re: Athens Lycabettus Hilary Wright dreamstogo Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus The first of the three (or four? Is Rare Bird actually part of Tangent?) movements of Tangent can of course be heard during the 1982 UK tour. And I think Rare Bird was the only part of the entire Poland set to survive for the next set of concerts in 1986. . - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Morgan Feldon To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus > The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first > performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'. > > > -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37312 UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 11/25/2002 3 KB 37315 Re: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... Heiko Heerssen td_freak Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:09 pm Subject: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... Hi! Today I sent the next 17 UNDERGROUND sets to everybody who did a reservation. All of them received an email about the instructions. It`s the 'normal' set. The 'ltd. Edition' is gone, too. If you are on 'the list' and you did not received an email, don`t worry - you will get the set at the beginning of next week. Stay tuned! I sent 30 sets for the moment and the response is fancifully. CU all! Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37315 Re: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... Heiko Heerssen td_freak Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB From: David Butler Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:11 pm Subject: CDR's and trees Okay group...Newsflash...My residence has changed, thank God for small favors. Anyone who was going to send me anything please forward it to this address please... David L. Butler 9 Laurel Place #8 San Rafael California 94901-2162 415-721-0484 Thank you....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: René Brenner Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 13:47:56 +0100, Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 strat95@b... wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I think I crawled from under the rock to late. Alpha Centauri has been > > re-releases, and with an extra track? Other than the new Private Music set, > > what else has been re-released with extra tracks? > > Thanks, Neal > > Hi Neal! > > Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records > by TD. > > Electronic Meditation > and > Alpha Centauri > > AC is enhanced with the bonus-track 'ULTIMA THULE, PART 1' in > a paper slipcase with a 8 pages booklet including some photos > from the AC years and all covers from Ultima Thule (from my > homepage). Together with an essay written by Paul Russell. > The sound quality is fine, but the music was not reprocessed. > Sadly only Part 1 of Ultima is on the disk. Part 2 is missing again! > > It`s a nice set, but only for the real DIE-HARDs who are collecting > everything. > > Electronic Meditation was released without an extra-track. > > More infos, pictures, tracklistings: www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk > search for Artist: Tangerine Dream. > > Rainer Hallo Rainer, sind die neuen Sanctuary Re-Releases erneut 'remastered' oder ist die Qualität exakt wie die von 1996? Steht davon im Booklet was? Viele Grüsse René (aus der CH) -- ' In front of the loudspeaker, everyone is equal ' From: 'Heiko Heerssen' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:58 am Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent... > Today I sent the next 17 UNDERGROUND sets to everybody who did a > reservation. All of them received an email about the instructions. > It`s the 'normal' set. The 'ltd. Edition' is gone, too. Rainer did a great job with 'Underground', however I wonder how he managed to survive after seeing the entire film a couple of times. To say it's a bit amateurish would be an undeserved compliment to the film director..although, I really had a good laugh when Edgar was trying to rob a bank by hiding his pistol behind a bunch of flowers. And the Oscar goes to.. :-) Regarding the music, it's really nothing special but nice to listen to. Heiko 'Please reactivate your Yahoo! Groups account' Heerssen (argh!!) n.p.: Montreal 1977 - TT Vol.18 From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:07 am Subject: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual edition. The text is written in German language, but it also has some very nice pictures which I haven't seen before. http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37319 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Falcon ppgwave2000 Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37320 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB 37326 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Marcel Engels mars103nl Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:29 am Subject: Interesting new poll! Hi, have a look at www.tangerinedream.org, they have a new poll which will be of interest to those which live in the USA :-) Heiko From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Very interesting indeed. If there is need for an english translation, I may do one over the weekend. armin Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth website > which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual edition. The > text is written in German language, but it also has some very nice > pictures which I haven't seen before. > > http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37321 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 11/26/2002 4 KB 37337 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37322 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Synthhtnys@a... Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37323 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Synthhtnys@a... Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37327 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Marcel Engels mars103nl Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB 37328 off topic: mike oldfield Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37331 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37332 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37335 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB From: Falcon Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 1:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) At 11:07 AM 11/26/2002, you wrote: >I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth website >which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual edition. The >text is written in German language, but it also has some very nice >pictures which I haven't seen before. > >http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm Interesting, we had a discussion recenctly, who played which part in a concert. Now in that interview is clearly stated, you should NOT care about, what musician played this or that part, just listen to the music. @Armin Theissen : Please do a translation, it would be greatly appreciated whithin the group (I would also try to do one, but my english is not sufficient) Ramon From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) This was one of the most interesting articles about TD I've read in a while. It probably comes quite close to expressing that TD was, in its conception, not only about the music itself but also about the interpersonal dynamics that gave rise to this completely new type of sound. Intriguing how Peter Baumann talks about pre-sets as rather limiting to TD's music! Dennis On Tuesday 26 November 2002 10:07 am, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth > website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual > edition. The text is written in German language, but it also has > some very nice pictures which I haven't seen before. > > http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dennis Nigbur From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Hi, I'm half through with the translation, but... boy, not all of it, especially the intro, is easy to translate. Because there is quite some funny vague blah in it... wonder whether our digital gothic guy (P.S.) would have enough adjectives for that... ;-) So don't expect good english from me with that. Will do the rest 'til the weekend comes. cheers armin Dennis Nigbur wrote: > This was one of the most interesting articles about TD I've read in a > while. It probably comes quite close to expressing that TD was, in > its conception, not only about the music itself but also about the > interpersonal dynamics that gave rise to this completely new type of > sound. > > Intriguing how Peter Baumann talks about pre-sets as rather limiting > to TD's music! > > Dennis > > On Tuesday 26 November 2002 10:07 am, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > >>I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth >>website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual >>edition. The text is written in German language, but it also has >>some very nice pictures which I haven't seen before. >> >>http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm >> >> >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37337 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) In a message dated 11/26/2002 4:18:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > Very interesting indeed. If there is need for an english > translation, I may do one over the weekend. > > armin > *Yes, that would be much appreciated if you don't mind. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) On looking at the picture that reminds me... anyone have an insight into what that 'tripod' thingy is on top of Franke's modular? I've wondered about that... assumed it was some sort of 'sculpture' Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37327 Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Marcel Engels mars103nl Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB 37328 off topic: mike oldfield Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37331 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37332 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37335 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37344 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Peter pete01021962 Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37352 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk dustych Thu 11/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:30 pm Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus Hi Chris, I suggest you load it up to the list under files, then its available to anyone interested. Joe does this give a problem? Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Hi Hilary, > > I think it's safe to go with 30 & 31 August 1983 as it seems to be the > consensus view. I don't have a scan of the press cutting in question, but > I'll try and get one done for you this week. Would anyone else be interested > in seeing it? If so, forgive my non-techiness, but how do I get it to you > all? Copy and paste it into a posting, or upload it to the yahoo group? Any > help would be appreciated! > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hilary Wright > To: > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus > > > > Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for > > 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group > > seem to back these dates. > > > > That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is > > wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong > > and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much > > confusion over a concert date? > > > > Chris, do you have a scan of the press cutting you mention? > > > > Hilary > > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:38 pm Subject: 3 US cities survey I picked L.A.--would rather have chosen San Francisco. --T np Chris & Cosey-Put Yourself in Los Angeles _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Looks great! And seeing those pics makes me longing for a video/dvd of these times...I would even buy it if it were a black/white video. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:08 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, > nice pictures) > > > I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the > classicsynth website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' > magazine, 1976 annual edition. The text is written in German > language, but it also has some very nice pictures which I > haven't seen before. > http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Isn't it the tripod from Encore? I think it's some sort of light for the modulars. Anyone noticed the amount of sequencers Edgar used! I want 2 of those... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:08 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German > language, nice pictures) > > > On looking at the picture that reminds me... anyone have an > insight into what > that 'tripod' thingy is on top of Franke's modular? I've > wondered about > that... assumed it was some sort of 'sculpture' > Poly > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37328 off topic: mike oldfield Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37331 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37332 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37335 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37344 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Peter pete01021962 Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37352 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk dustych Thu 11/28/2002 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:23 pm Subject: off topic: mike oldfield I heard Tubular Bells many years ago and liked it. Earlier this year I saw Ommadawn on Amazon.ca for cdn$6.99 so I bought it and it has been enjoying a lot of time on the cd player! The only other Mike Oldfield piece I know is that Moonlight Shadow song! So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs and lows of Mike Oldfield? Looking forward to your opinions :-) jonnyboy. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37331 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37332 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 11/26/2002 2 KB 37335 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37344 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Peter pete01021962 Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37352 Re: off topic: mike oldfield Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk dustych Thu 11/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion' in another place. Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not have any track listings! Paulus.d Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37330 Re: Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 11/26/2002 3 KB 37339 Re: Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 11/27/2002 2 KB 37343 Re: Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37346 Re: Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! Administrator dale1kay Wed 11/27/2002 4 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! It has gone quiet!!!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! > I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion' > in another place. > Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not have any track listings! > > Paulus.d > Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Olav Neander Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield Jonathan Holt schrieb: >So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs >and lows of Mike Oldfield? > 'Amarok' is one of the greatest, you should also try 'Hergest Ridge' if you like TB and Ommadawn. 'Earth Moving' is the worst one, in my opinion :-) ... Olav -- Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield Olav Neander wrote: > > 'Amarok' is one of the greatest, you should also try 'Hergest Ridge' if > you like TB and Ommadawn. I second that and I suggest also 'The Songs of Distant Earth'. More recently Mike Oldfield surprised me again with 'Guitars', an album where all sounds, including drum sounds, were generated from live guitars, midi guitars or individual guitar samples (according to the booklet). It's really amazing what he can do with guitars! Antonio Nunes np: TT12 Croydon 1982 From: 'rbicon' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:14 am Subject: The 2002 pool is open Hello, bonjour, to every EM fan. This year i'm trying to create a pool. This one is different. The principal purpose is to guide people through the amazing world of electronic music. Participing at this pool is helping EM artists selling their products, and helping buyers in their choices of bying EM artists products Sorry for my English, i'm usually speaking French :) This pool contains 7 categories; 1-Best EM CD 2-Best Techno CD 3-Best song 4-Best newcomers 5-Comeback of the year 6-Best EM CD of all time 7-Deceptions of the year So please participe and send your votes at; electronicmusicfan@h... You can view the progress of the pool at; http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/pool_2002/pool_2002.htm Sylvain du Québec, Canada From: 'maggior' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:00 am Subject: Jon Wade - please contact me re Classic Tree I'm Jon's branch for the Classic Tree. I sent a message to my leaves today and the email bounced from his email account. Jon, please get in touch with me with your valid email address so we can set something up so I can get you a copy of the SHN discs for the Classic Tree. Thanks, Rich Maggio maggior@m... From: Marko Marin Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield --- Jonathan Holt wrote: > I heard Tubular Bells many years ago and liked it. > Earlier this year I saw Ommadawn on Amazon.ca for > cdn$6.99 so I bought it and it has been enjoying a > lot of time on the cd player! The only other Mike > Oldfield piece I know is that Moonlight Shadow song! > > So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs > and lows of Mike Oldfield? > > Looking forward to your opinions :-) > > jonnyboy. Here's few... Amarok is a 60 minute piece which is full of themes and samples but not too many synths. My rating: 4½/5 Tubular Bells 2 is a new version from the original. Not my favourite but it's good music. My rating: 3/5 Tubular Bells 3 is kinda a techno-version from the original. This one has so many new ideas and fresh sound that I recommend. My rating: 4½/5 The Songs Of Distant Earth is full of new agey stuff, but I like it. My rating: 3½/5 Exposed contains live-version from the albums Incantations and TB. Great album. TB is much better here. My rating: 4/5 Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1582 > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:40:08 -0000 > From: 'Hilary Wright' > Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus > > Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for > 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group > seem to back these dates. > > That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is > wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong > and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much > confusion over a concert date? Can we be sure that it is actually TD who are playing? ;-) Daniel From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) On Tuesday 26 November 2002 4:04 pm, Armin Theissen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm half through with the translation, but... boy, not all of > it, especially the intro, is easy to translate. Because there > is quite some funny vague blah in it... wonder whether our > digital gothic guy (P.S.) would have enough adjectives for that... > ;-) I thought the language was great - very thoughtful and interesting, and none of the superficial dullness of far too many interviews. I especially liked the interviewer's refusal to accept Peter's statement that people who don't understand TD should just go and listen to something else. I agree with you about the difficulty involved in the translation, though. I'm sure you'll do a far better job than I could, but should you need any suggestions for specific paragraphs, just contact me off-list. Dennis From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) Hi, my main problem with diffuse language in that interview is actually not the interview itself but the intro by Ingeborg Schober. But I learn to appreciate the job of professional translators (I'm certainly not) I'm almost through, but need to try to fine tune a bit. a. Dennis Nigbur wrote: > On Tuesday 26 November 2002 4:04 pm, Armin Theissen wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I'm half through with the translation, but... boy, not all of >>it, especially the intro, is easy to translate. Because there >>is quite some funny vague blah in it... wonder whether our >>digital gothic guy (P.S.) would have enough adjectives for that... >>;-) >> > > I thought the language was great - very thoughtful and interesting, > and none of the superficial dullness of far too many interviews. I > especially liked the interviewer's refusal to accept Peter's > statement that people who don't understand TD should just go and > listen to something else. > > I agree with you about the difficulty involved in the translation, > though. I'm sure you'll do a far better job than I could, but should > you need any suggestions for specific paragraphs, just contact me > off-list. > > Dennis > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! >I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion' >in another place. >Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not have >any track listings! > >Paulus.d Could you please repeat that...? I remember something about Thermal Inversion sounding strange a while back, but so what did you find (a similar theme, a similar piece or what?) and where? If you just have some compilation that lacks track listings, how do you know it's Johannes Schmoelling? John Vertical PS: Is the oe in Schmoelling supposed to be an ö, as in Hoening, or plain oe, as in Froese? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Jeff Misner' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:03 pm Subject: Anyone heard of the eBay item???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925290960 I've never heard of this and it's not on Klaus' site. Anyone know what the deal is??? ---Jeff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37349 Re: Anyone heard of the eBay item???? vic rek kyivmission Wed 11/27/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Hi, here is what I made out of the german interview. If some passages of the interview sounds odd, then this is not only because of my translation but possibly also because of the original text... feel free to correct grammar glitches etc. armin Translation from german - not always easy because of - in my opinion - diffuse phrases in the original. Also to note: When a musician, listener, or person in general is referred to by the use of male pronouns ('he'), then this is so in the german original but not due to my translation. Political correctness wasn't such a big issue in the 70s... armin --- Tangerine Dream - Interview 1976 First nobody really knew what to do with it: synthesizer, sequencer, electronic keyboards, random generatores and oscillators. Still today not everybody has a clear grasp of it, but nevertheless electronic music has become more understandable. While the sound scapes of Stockhausen had been investigated for geometric and mathematical structures in order to offer an attempt to understand such associations, it is the achievement of other german musicians to present electronically created music in such a way that - despite atonality and sawtooth structures - emotional relations can be found. Maybe the music of the future will emerge out of this electronic sound universe - who knows. The only thing clear is that there are hardly areas which already today cannot exlude electronics without loosing quality and expressional value. At the same time it gets harder and harder to judge the value such music. What criterea do apply? What methods to use to assess this music, how to relate it to the listener, while not even those who master it can completely control its infinite possibilities? Or should we just not ask question it? No, certainly not. You can just let yourself go with the acustic experience of spontaneous listening, even let yourself motivate emotionally. And since it is like that, questions have to be asked. But here opinions go apart. Here starts the problem. How do you confront music coming out of synthesizers, when your relation to a synthesizer is the same like to, say, your vacuum cleaner? How do you confront music coming out of synthesizers when you like it just because of the purity of its sine waves? How do you confront music coming out of synthesizers when random generators and oscillators produce sounds which play the musician? How do you confront this unity of man and machine in which at one time the man and at the other time the machine is the subject? This still works out fairly well when there is some kind of support - like when a synthesizer musician is accompanied by a singer or 'ordinary' instrumentalist. Also a single synth musician can still be understood relatively clear, and trained listeners can more and more understand this dialog which is in fact a self conversation between man and machine. But you loose overview over this music when, like in the case of Tangerine Dream, it is the product of three individual personalities, in particular, when each of this personalities is in a dialog with itself, with the others, and with the synth. Then everything turns into a complex and multi-layered unity. Then the all-embracing output of three brains and three bodies sounds stereophonically with one tongue out of the P.A. towers. However, in all its warmth and perfect rythmic, hovering and swelling emotional sound scapes which then again loose themselves in eternity, this music is without compromise. Maybe even with less compromise than the hardest rock. On another level, but absolutely without compromise. No other music demands such a total openness like this one. Ingeborg Schober Tonal insights flow out of the speakers, permeate the non-resisting listener, and guide him. The experiences of the listener create space- and time images, only put alive by the music. Nothing happens in a predetermined way. There are no fixpoints, nothing you could grab. The conversation between musician and listener takes place on a level of compassionate trust, and generally people say: it was beautiful. Tangerine Dream: three technical electronic universes in blueish non-terrestrial light. Tangerine Dream: three guys - Christoph Franke, Edgar Froese, and Peter Baumann, knob-turning and calibrating this universe. Tangerine Dream: Sound, electronic, unity made out of three. MUSIC - WHAT ELSE? An interview with Peter Baumann by Merlin W. Frank Music comes out of the P.A. towers, and in contrast to the sound scapes of other bands it is impossible to map individual instrumental parts to a musician. Also conspicuous is that there is no separate mixer. All music goes direcly from the instruments into the P.A.. 'How did you solve this problem - after all there are three different units which are supposed to come together to a harmonic music', I asked Peter Baumann. TD: Acutally, our sound mixes itself, I would almost say. Since everybody has his own mixer, we have to adjust ourselves to each other so that you can hear everybody properly. This way the sound balances itself organically. A forth person mixing our sound would certainly result in a different musical picture. FB: Does that mean that you can influence the others with your mix? Roughly spoken, that you are able to subdue the music of the others? TD: Not quite that directly. I can of course play lower or louder, and this way change the actual ratio of the individual volumes, but I cannot directly influence whether the one of the other plays lower. Only when I play, for instance, lower, it appears as if the others play louder. FB: But doesn't this require that everybody of you can do with his instruments what he pleases, and that he is not forced to pipe his effects through the other's mixer and loops. Your system is completly dependent on how you balance each other on musical positions. For instance, it is up to you whether you let Edgar or Christoph dominate, or whether they let you dominate. TD: Yes, as simple as that. I believe that we actually could not play in another way. For sure also the dynamics of our playing comes from this mix. FB: But that entails quite a degree of mutual tolerance, because I cannot imagine that it would be possible to do your music without intensive mutual tolerance and understanding, since you're improvising a lot. It depends on mutual understanding who is doing the lead part, just like with the mixer positions, whether this or the other sound dominates. Do I see this correctly, or are your pieces pre-programmed to a degree that you know in advance what parts are coming? TD: We haven't pre-programmed anything. Everything is improvised. We don't even have any definete theme. Of course, sometimes certain elements appear again and again on different concerts, but only because we eventually identify stronger with such elements. In improvisations you just play those parts you like best more often. FB: So you're turning each other on. When Edgar plays guitar, or Christoph brings aggressive sequences into the game, your answer comes straight out of your imagination. And its the same the other way round? TD: Yes, sure. You can say that our music is based on that kind of interaction. A lot of factors enter the game, mostly very simple things, which influence the mood of the piece very quickly. When, for instance, Edgar plays the guitar undistorted, or generally when timbres are changed, you will be influenced by that, of course. You will play totally different then, so you can say that our music is a very spontaneous music. It is simply like that. Depending on how the others feel, they may rather react on something aggressive, or they add a counter point. The balance is shifted all the time. THE SHOW FB: I just want to tell you a couple of things. I mixed a bit with the crowd and listened to their reactions last evening after the truly outstanding concert in the Philipshalle in Duesseldorf. The critics were generally positive, but there have been remarks on and on about the music being unaccessible. Once I heard somebody saying: 'I just understand Klaus Schulze's Music much better'. What to you think of that? TD: Well, I think that when somebody understands Klaus Schulze's music better, then he should listen to Schulze. I would not go to a concert where I don't understand the music. Giving a spontaneous answer... hm, what does it actually mean to understand music? FB: Maybe it is what is generally expressed as 'delivering the message'? TD: OK, then they should just listen to something else. I cannot comment more on this. FB: I think you make it yourself a bit too easy here. When I understand complete passages of your music, and then comes a sudden change which I cannot follow anymore, then this does not mean that I would give up on your music. I still try to proceed. I try to get access to these parts. I don't think it is right to simply say that I will listen to something else. But maybe the difficulty lies not in your music but more in the way you present the music on stage. People are simply used to the fact that they can map each instrument to a musician. For instance, I coulnd't imagine a Santana concert in which I could not figure out who is playing what. In your case, each sound, except from the guitar, could come from anybody. The listener cannot distinguish whether the rythms come out of your synthi or this floating chords from Edgar and the portamento from Chris. He cannot follow the whole build-up - the dialog between you. What reaches his ears does come from these three people, but acustically out of only one single source which can not be differentiated. Maybe it is this discrepancy which makes an understanding of the music more difficult for the listener. TD: Yes, sure thats right. People can't tell what is coming from whom. But in the end I think this is good, and thats why we don't make any show on stage. We just try to put the music in front. And if you can concentrate on the music, then it is of course easier to figure out the music itself, which is not the case when you get a big show delivered. With a show the music may too easily become the secondary item, and of course we want to avoid that. FB: I don't mean that you should develop some stage show. What I wanted to bring into discussion is that people should get a chance to distinguish - maybe with different sound sources - who is currently playing what. That would certainly make the music more accessible. TD: Good thought, but the people shouldn't ask how the music is created. They shouldn't ask themselves what's coming now, they should just listen and maybe identify themselves with this or the other bit. Since there are three making the music, our music becomes much more complex, and certainly sometimes a great deal of concentration is neccessary to get to the music. FB: So on stage you play without any predetermined concept. You don't agree upon what you play in advance. But when you record your albums, do you then again follow your improvisations, or do you try to express certain themes? IMPROVISTAION 'UEBER ALLES' TD: We do have our ideas when we make a record. We then play them, record them on tape, and if we like them, we develop them for an album. We then also take out parts we didn't like and add other parts. Once the base of the piece is ok, we do some overdubs and other details and in a sense consolidate the complete statement. We compress individual statements and of course leave out a lot of secondary details, which mostly re-emerges again on stage. Generally a concert is always broader than a record. FB: Now it could be and most certainly is so that you worked out parts for your records which you cannot reproduce that easily on stage. Do you have certain pre-sets for that or have you found some other solution? TD: In the beginning we investigated pre-sets. But we were never really satisfied with that. After some consideration we realised that such pre-fabricated sound patterns are only very disturbing and restricting. Now we have the possibility to change, broaden or also abruptly end our pieces very spontaneously. But you're almost absolutely stuck with one direction when you have a tape running along with presets. Its like playing with handcuffs. FB: But the freedom not to need presets comes only from the fact that you are three people on stage, so you have more possibilities to do things simultaneously. TD: Of course. This is a big advantage, although at the same time you also have to accept certain disadvantages. You can never let your own ego go completely, because you are always forced - of you have to force yourself - to respect the others. But out of this mutual respect free spaces emerge which you can use for yourself. When two realise that the third one is in full swing, then they will give him the necessary space to deliver his solo. Maybe this is also the source of a certain organic dynamics, because everybody can always dominate a piece, while he is also ready to let others dominate. FB: Always improvistaion, always mutial encouragement and respect, always playing without predetermined structures and themes - that means: your concerts cannot be repeated, they are not fixed and therefore, like happenings - spontaneous events. It is always an expression of your current mood. But you cannot go on stange and make music out of every possible mood. Maybe you can do this as a reproducing musician, maybe as a playback singer, but can you do this also when you improvise? TD: Surely you cannot go on stage out of every possible mood, but we have our bag of tricks to get ourselves into the mood. We know how to neutralise situations before a concert, we know which passages make it easier for us to concentrate on the music, and in the end our feeling emerges pretty fast. When we then reach a base on which we, the audience and our music come together, then conditions are best. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37345 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Dan Downey djambient Wed 11/27/2002 3 KB 37351 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 11/27/2002 2 KB 37347 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Administrator dale1kay Wed 11/27/2002 4 KB 37355 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 11/28/2002 4 KB 37612 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Andrew flyingfish1uk Wed 12/11/2002 7 KB 37620 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Wed 12/11/2002 8 KB 37618 TD interview from 1976 - english translation Morgan Feldon feldon23 Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB 37624 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB 37627 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Administrator dale1kay Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:14 pm Subject: Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures) >translation you know--you should probably not post the translation--you might get in trouble with the copyright owners just kidding! [big grin] --T np King Crimson--Happy with what you have to be happy with _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! Hello all, Yahoo's been bouncing my emails!!!! Goner take some time to get 'into' things again!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! > It has gone quiet!!!!!! > Paulus.d > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Dryden' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM > Subject: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! > > > > I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion' > > in another place. > > Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not > have any track listings! > > > > Paulus.d > > Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Peter' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: Re: off topic: mike oldfield Hey jonnyboy, I like most of Oldfields LP's from the seventies -Tubular Bells -Hergest Ridge -Ommadawn -Platinum also Incantations has its nice parts (I like part two, the best) From the early 8O's, I like to recommend -Q.E.2 and -Five Miles Out The later LP's from the 80s are a bit too 'poppy' for my opinion. From the 90s, I don't know much from Oldfield. I know Tubular Bells II. , but don't like it much. Cheers PETE --- In tadream@y..., Jonathan Holt wrote: > I heard Tubular Bells many years ago and liked it. > Earlier this year I saw Ommadawn on Amazon.ca for > cdn$6.99 so I bought it and it has been enjoying a > lot of time on the cd player! The only other Mike > Oldfield piece I know is that Moonlight Shadow song! > > So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs > and lows of Mike Oldfield? > > Looking forward to your opinions :-) > > jonnyboy. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Dan Downey Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation Armin, thanks for the translation. It got me to thinking about TDs process of creating music over the years. Given current works like Inferno could one safely say that this is composed vs. improvised? Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone from an improvisational method to a more composed method? With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting of the materials. Certainly the software I used back then with the Amiga was not very good at changes on the fly, I'm sure the Atari was not much different. In a side note, oddly, this is starting to come full circle a bit with the new soft synth controllers (knobs are back!) and software like Ableton Live etc. where there is greater real time control. Could the improv methods PB mentions in this interview work again? DanD --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > > Hi, > > here is what I made out of the german interview. If > some passages of > the interview sounds odd, then this is not only > because of my > translation but possibly also because of the > original text... > > feel free to correct grammar glitches etc. > > armin > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37351 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 11/27/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! they seem to like to pick on everyone huh? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! > Hello all, > Yahoo's been bouncing my emails!!!! > Goner take some time to get 'into' things again!!! > > Paulus.d > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Dryden' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! > > > > It has gone quiet!!!!!! > > Paulus.d > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Paul Dryden' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!! > > > > > > > I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion' > > > in another place. > > > Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not > > have any track listings! > > > > > > Paulus.d > > > Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation I like recording all the sysex messages myself. Go back later to edit. Similar to what one would do on the fly with a HD recorded or tape. I use Sonar XL. The edit back when I find a sequence worth while keeping. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dan Downey' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation > Armin, thanks for the translation. It got me to > thinking about TDs process of creating music over the > years. Given current works like Inferno could one > safely say that this is composed vs. improvised? > > Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone > from an improvisational method to a more composed > method? > > With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s > I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting > of the materials. Certainly the software I used back > then with the Amiga was not very good at changes on > the fly, I'm sure the Atari was not much different. > > In a side note, oddly, this is starting to come full > circle a bit with the new soft synth controllers > (knobs are back!) and software like Ableton Live etc. > where there is greater real time control. Could the > improv methods PB mentions in this interview work > again? > > DanD > > --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > here is what I made out of the german interview. If > > some passages of > > the interview sounds odd, then this is not only > > because of my > > translation but possibly also because of the > > original text... > > > > feel free to correct grammar glitches etc. > > > > armin > > > > ===== > DanD - aka DJAmbient > www.ambientissue.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:10 pm Subject: Zomba Part of BMG I just came across this news release about BMG acquiring Zomba. I wonder if this will create some new TD re-issues of such classic CDs as Poland, Le Parc and Underwater Sunlight? Below is an excerpt of news release: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE BERTELSMANN COMPLETES ZOMBA ACQUISITION New York, NY - November 26, 2002 - Bertelsmann AG and the Zomba Music Group today announced the completion of the acquisition of Zomba by BMG, Bertelsmann's music division. This ends a process that Zomba started in June this year by exercising its put option for BMG to acquire it. The purchase price, as adjusted according to the mechanism provided for in the original agreement entered into in 1991, was 2.740 billion USD. Clive Calder, Zomba's Chairman and CEO, has resigned today as Chairman and CEO of the Zomba Music Group but will remain on a part time basis in an advisory role. BMG is one of the world's top music companies, with music publishing and records operations in 42 countries around the world. BMG record labels such as Arista, RCA and J Records, are home to stars such as Christina Aguilera, Dido, Whitney Houston, Alan Jackson, Alicia Keys, Pink and Carlos Santana. Over the last 20 years, Zomba has become the largest independent music business in the industry. The acquisition of Zomba strengthens BMG's global position in recorded music and music publishing. The combined BMG and Jive / Zomba will have one of the largest rosters of global superstars, adding Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, and Britney Spears, among others, to the BMG lineup. The acquisition also makes BMG the world's 3rd largest music publisher, and a leader in the growing field of contemporary Christian and Gospel music. Gunter Thielen, Chairman and CEO of Bertelsmann AG, said: 'This acquisition comes at a time of renewed stability and success at BMG. We expect that Zomba combined with BMG will further elevate Bertelsmann's stature in the worldwide music industry.' Rolf Schmidt-Holtz, Chairman and CEO of BMG, said: 'I am happy to welcome all of Zomba's talented employees, artists, and songwriters to the BMG family. We are fortunate to have Clive Calder as an advisor because his enormous skills, talents, and creativity will be a tremendous asset.' Clive Calder said: 'The completion of this transaction is the natural culmination of a successful business relationship between Zomba and BMG that goes back 12 years. On a personal level, I look forward to my new advisory role to Zomba and its new owners under the leadership of Chairman and CEO, Rolf Schmidt-Holtz.' From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anyone heard of the eBay item???? Yes, Klaus plays drums on only 1 track. This is not a Klaus Schulze release. Very strange and possibly disturbing music from 1974. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Misner To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: [tadream] Anyone heard of the eBay item???? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925290960 > > > I've never heard of this and it's not on Klaus' site. Anyone know > what the deal is??? > > > ---Jeff From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:33 pm Subject: French Tangerine Dream I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr website. The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube Which soundtrack can this be? Also, I wonder if anyone can help me find a few French items: - Rubycon/Ricochet 2 CD release on Virgin France - Any French Baumann 7' singles except 'Biking up the Strand'. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37356 Re: French Tangerine Dream John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 11/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation From: Dan Downey [mailto:djambient@y...] Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone from an improvisational method to a more composed method? Since they didn't tour in 1979, it's hard to say. But I'd guess 1979-1980, especially with the introduction of Schmoelling. In the _Cyclone_ tour (and even in 1977 North American tour), there were the beginnings of a more defined set of music, but there still was a lot of improvisation going on. _Force Majeure_ is a fairly well-composed album, but the interview mentions the fact that they treated albums and concerts very differently. - jim From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 5:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield I don't have a lot to add to this, other than, 'I agree with what everyone else said.' In order: _Amarok_ -- definitely, very much like a sequel to _Ommadawn_, to me. _Incantations_ -- excellent! One of my favourites. I would recommend it before _HR_, actually. _Platinum_ _The Songs Of Distant Earth_ -- more contemporary and groovy than the others, reminds me of a group, Delerium. _QE2_ -- shorter tracks, but no less delightful in his typical upbeat somewhat-Celtic multi-instrumentalist styles, plus a great Abba cover ('Arrival'). Blue Man Group kind of reminds me of this album. Lots of percussion, mostly electronic, but well produced (doesn't sound like a bunch of drum machines, like most of contemporary music does). _Exposed_ -- a great live album of his. _Hergest Ridge_ -- the 'inbetweeny' between _TB_ and _O_. A little quieter, but should fit right in. More 'orchestral' sounding than the others. If in the right mood, transcendent. If you don't mind vocals, I would also second _Five Miles Out_ -- simply a perfect album from beginning to end; all over the place stylistically -- and recommend _Crises_. One of my favourite artists, after Tangerine Dream of course. You may also want to check out Vangelis, if you are so open-minded. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:02 am Subject: new Johannes Schmoelling CD Just had a look at the Johannes Schmoelling website and was delighted to see that it has been updated two days ago, Johannes will soon release a new CD called 'Laufen' which contains music from a radio play. I have no idea about what the music will sound like, but anyway..you can order your copy at the following URL: 'http://www.johannesschmoelling.de' (then click on 'CD shop') Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:17 am Subject: Nice poster of Froese/Franke/Hoenig http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925836404 From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation Hi, I remember this from an interview with Edgar somewhere sometime. He said that they gradually went from totally improvised to totally composed during the 80s. Which was a) technologically necessary first, since in the 70s it just took time to change sound completely on these non-programmable synths, while in the early 80s with patch programming etc etc you could wildly change sounds within seconds and some degree of planning was necessary to avoid a concert turning into a mess; and b) it was simply their desire to compose, may it be just for a change. So in the meantime each single note is composed. armin Dan Downey wrote: > Armin, thanks for the translation. It got me to > thinking about TDs process of creating music over the > years. Given current works like Inferno could one > safely say that this is composed vs. improvised? > > Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone > from an improvisational method to a more composed > method? > > With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s > I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting > of the materials. Certainly the software I used back > then with the Amiga was not very good at changes on > the fly, I'm sure the Atari was not much different. > > In a side note, oddly, this is starting to come full > circle a bit with the new soft synth controllers > (knobs are back!) and software like Ableton Live etc. > where there is greater real time control. Could the > improv methods PB mentions in this interview work > again? > > DanD > > --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > here is what I made out of the german interview. If > > some passages of > > the interview sounds odd, then this is not only > > because of my > > translation but possibly also because of the > > original text... > > > > feel free to correct grammar glitches etc. > > > > armin > > > > ===== > DanD - aka DJAmbient > www.ambientissue.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream >I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr >website. >The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube >Which soundtrack can this be? I'd guess it's Deadly Care... it says something about 1992 - release date, I suppose? just guessing though. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream It's near dark. Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: 'John Vertical' >Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:36:58 +0200 >Sujet: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream > >>I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr >>website. >>The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube >>Which soundtrack can this be? > > >I'd guess it's Deadly Care... it says something about 1992 - release date, I >suppose? > >just guessing though. > >John Vertical > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37358 Tr: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 11/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream Available in DVD! Aux frontières de l'aube (Near dark) by Kathryn Bigelow import: Canada DVD Zone 1 NTSC Go to www.fnac.fr in the engine search under the word 'Recherche' copie-paste : Aux frontières de l'aube Thank you Thomas! --- In tadream@y..., thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > It's near dark. > > > Thomas. > > ----Message réexpédié---- > >A: tadream@y... > >De: 'John Vertical' > >Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:36:58 +0200 > >Sujet: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream > > > >>I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr > >>website. > >>The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube > >>Which soundtrack can this be? > > > > > >I'd guess it's Deadly Care... it says something about 1992 - release date, I > >suppose? > > > >just guessing though. > > > >John Vertical From: tadreaming@c... Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: Code III, Planet of Man Yea, This is an old album by Manfred Schunke, Ed Key, Klaus Schulze. It's trippy acid music, with not a whole lot of drumming on it, so Klaus is not a big part of it probably. But it has a lot of wierdness about it, so Klaus could have had something to do with that. I would say it came out in the mid 70's or earlier. The CD is of descent quality on a Korean record label called Won-Sin, I'm pretty sure music is obtained in an illegal fashion. This is the same label that released Aphrica and KDM was not happy about that at all. This CD can be obtained at Groove Records for much cheaper than this one on eBay. Martyn tadream@y...: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:03:08 -0000 From: 'Jeff Misner' Subject: Anyone heard of the eBay item???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925290960 I've never heard of this and it's not on Klaus' site. Anyone know what the deal is??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Marc Dodsworth Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:37 am Subject: Antarktis piano solo Hi Been listening to Antarkis and have decided my favourite bit is the piano solo. Problem is that I can't quite place all the tracks references. I get the two obvious ones (Monolight and Quichotte) but what are the rest? Zen Garden comes to mind but the others I've heard but can't place. Marc -- Marc Dodsworth Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37361 Re: Antarktis piano solo Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 11/29/2002 2 KB 37362 Re: Antarktis piano solo coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 11/29/2002 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:41 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Antarktis piano solo Hey, Marc! I've heard: 'Ricochet Part Two' 'Alchemy of the Heart' 'Song of the Whale Pt. 2' 'Tiergarten' And then there's one unreleased track from _Canyon Dreams_ that's referenced, too. - jim -----Original Message----- From: Marc Dodsworth [mailto:marcd@i...] Been listening to Antarkis and have decided my favourite bit is the piano solo. Problem is that I can't quite place all the tracks references. I get the two obvious ones (Monolight and Quichotte) but what are the rest? Zen Garden comes to mind but the others I've heard but can't place. From: coldwatercanyon Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antarktis piano solo Hi Marc Yes this is a very cool piano piece. I don't remember all the TD parts, but there certainly are echoes of Ricochet, Quichotte, To Dusk, Tiergarten and others and mixed with some classical music which I cannot name... Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Marc Dodsworth To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Antarktis piano solo Date: Fri Nov 29 11:37:08 HKT 2002 Hi Been listening to Antarkis and have decided my favourite bit is the piano solo. Problem is that I can't quite place all the tracks references. I get the two obvious ones (Monolight and Quichotte) but what are the rest? Zen Garden comes to mind but the others I've heard but can't place. Marc -- Marc Dodsworth ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: Old Question of a Classic nature Have the Classic Tree recordings been enhanced in any way, compared to existing versions? /Olle From: Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 4:24 pm Subject: Vacation To all my friends on all of my lists, I will be on vacation in the mountains of North Carolina beginning today through Saturday, Nov 7th. All trades and such will be completed when I return. Peace Neal From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Question of a Classic nature From: > Have the Classic Tree recordings been enhanced in any way, compared to > existing versions? No, the copies in the Tree are identical to those already circulating, except for the Berlin ICC volume which originally had the first part of the second set on the end of the first disc. I've merged that back onto the second disc where it belongs. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37369 Re: Old Question of a Classic nature Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 11/29/2002 3 KB 37370 Re: Old Question of a Classic nature Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sat 11/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:49 pm Subject: Classic Tree Covers For those of you recieving the Redbook versions of the CT, you can now download the covers here: www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/ct/index.htm The front and back covers are contained in a zip file for each volume. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37456 TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37460 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37467 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 5 KB 37468 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37472 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37474 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37477 Re: TD forum Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 3 KB 37488 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 8 KB 37490 Re: TD forum Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB From: Mr Paul Dryden Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:19 pm Subject: Similarities Some of you may remember I said once that TT2 vol 14 'Thermal Inversion' had a theme I recognised from somewhere else, Guess what? I found the track it reminded me of...... Johannes Schmoelling's Ice Walk! I dont know what album this is from( guess-White Out?) You'll correct me if I'm wrong! Also , why does 'Miracle Mile' track 'Final Statement' sound like Chris Franke's 'Requiem' theme from Babylon 5? Paulus.d Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37372 Re: Similarities John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 11/30/2002 2 KB 37373 Re: Similarities Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:35 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort and time put into the above subject,without people like him we would never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an absolute TD diamond. Many Thanks Colin South Wales UK Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37374 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree gkopuy gkopuy Sat 11/30/2002 2 KB 37596 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Herbert gae232 Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB 37379 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Craig Padilla synthwiz Sun 12/1/2002 2 KB 37630 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Administrator dale1kay Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB 37632 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Stephen Manship billythefish01 Wed 12/11/2002 5 KB 37643 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 6 KB 37645 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree gkopuy gkopuy Thu 12/12/2002 5 KB 37672 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/12/2002 6 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Question of a Classic nature Have the tree recordings begun to go out yet? I've emailed my branch and not heard anything back in over a month... jonnyboy --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > From: > > > Have the Classic Tree recordings been enhanced in > any way, compared to > > existing versions? > > > No, the copies in the Tree are identical to those > already circulating, except > for the Berlin ICC volume which originally had the > first part of the second set > on the end of the first disc. I've merged that back > onto the second disc where > it belongs. > > > Maff > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 12:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Question of a Classic nature From: 'Jonathan Holt' > Have the tree recordings begun to go out yet? I've > emailed my branch and not heard anything back in over > a month... All copies have been mailed so the main branches on level 1 of the tree should have their copies now or during the next few days. E-mail your branch again and ask what arrangements they would like to make. Maff From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 1:07 am Subject: Looking for 3 TD concert recordings... I can't remember if asking directly for a trade is actually allowed in the group at the moment, but with all the Trees in operation I can't imagine why it wouldn't be, so... I'm looking for CDR's of the following three TD concerts: 6/11/80 Derby 2/11/80 Newcastle 23/3/78 Newcastle If anyone has any or all of these and would like to do a trade, feel free to contact me. CDR copies only please, nothing MP3-sourced. My list is at www.tangent.da.ru Cheers, Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Similarities >Also , why does 'Miracle Mile' track 'Final Statement' sound like Chris >Franke's 'Requiem' theme from Babylon 5? >Paulus.d I know a Mac game (from 1992-93) called Jetpack which uses 'In Julie's Eyes' as one of the background musics. There might be others copied, too, but I've only heard the realaudio excerpts on the official TD website. Mac users can check it out at http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=179&Page=2 John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37373 Re: Similarities Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 11/30/2002 2 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Similarities At 10:02 AM 11/30/2002, you wrote: > >Also , why does 'Miracle Mile' track 'Final Statement' sound like Chris > >Franke's 'Requiem' theme from Babylon 5? > >Paulus.d > > >I know a Mac game (from 1992-93) called Jetpack which uses 'In Julie's Eyes' >as one of the background musics. There might be others copied, too, but I've >only heard the realaudio excerpts on the official TD website. > >Mac users can check it out at >http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=179&Page=2 There's an old C64 game called 'The last Ninja 2'. It uses White Eagle and the first few minutes of Alchemy of the heart from Tyger. You can dorwnload this one for free from any of the many C64 emulator + game sites on the web. Ramon From: 'gkopuy' Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 3:56 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Hi Colin, Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... Kind regards, Roger --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we would > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > absolute TD diamond. > Many Thanks > Colin South Wales UK Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37596 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Herbert gae232 Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 12:27 pm Subject: Choronzon live Who played the lead keyboard line on Choronzon on TT2 Paris '81 - or for that fact, any other live show? Btw - the Paris version of Choronzon is just sensational, eh? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37377 Re: Choronzon live Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sun 12/1/2002 3 KB From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 12:42 pm Subject: Bondy Parade I always thought something had gone wrong on stage when Bondy Parade was played at Glasgow in '81 - if you listen to the recording of it, the percussion kicks-in about three seconds, stops for about 5 seconds, then kicks-in again. But you can hear the same thing on TT2's Newcastle '81 recording. Deliberate or a problem that couldn't be fixed? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37378 Bondy Parade Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sun 12/1/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Choronzon live I would say that Johhannes playing! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'colin anderson' To: Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Choronzon live > Who played the lead keyboard line on Choronzon on TT2 Paris '81 - or for that fact, any other live show? Btw - the Paris version of Choronzon is just sensational, eh? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: Bondy Parade >From: 'colin anderson' > >I always thought something had gone wrong on stage when Bondy Parade was >played >at Glasgow in '81 - if you listen to the recording of it, the percussion >kicks-in about three seconds, stops for about 5 seconds, then kicks-in again. >But you can hear the same thing on TT2's Newcastle '81 recording. >Deliberate or >a problem that couldn't be fixed? Apparently an intentional characteristic of the song. Every live performance of it on the October-November 81 tour sounded like that. Look up more info about these shows here: http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html (select the year on the menu on the left, then click on a particular tour. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Craig Padilla Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree From: 'gkopuy' Hi Colin, Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. **Yes, I also may have missed something. I'd very much like to see/hear some Tangerine Dream concerts other than the instrumental rock show of 220 Volt Live (which I already own, released by Miramar). Yours musically, Craig http://mp3.com/craigpadilla http://craigpadilla.com From: Simon Fay Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 8:56 pm Subject: TD sessions Any resources anywhere that give anecdotal/circumstantial details on the recording sessions for TD's hefty body of work? Like, when did the group decide that 'Hyperborea' was going to have one long piece on side 2 and did they have to rattle off soemthing suitable to get the job finished in time to make the 2 Athens gigs at the end of that month? That kind of thing SF __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From: 'heineu' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 6:50 am Subject: KS on Radio Eins hello if you intersted in a recording (2 Hours) of the last Radio Eins : ElektroBeats Show (27-Nov-2002) with Klaus Schulze as Live Studio- Guest. Please contact me off_list. heiko@o... Cheers Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37382 Re: KS on Radio Eins Peter Ravn Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB 37388 Re: KS on Radio Eins heineu heineu Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS on Radio Eins The interview is online here: http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/interview.jsp?id=70860 regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'heineu' To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: [tadream] KS on Radio Eins > hello > > if you intersted in a recording (2 Hours) of the last Radio Eins : > ElektroBeats Show (27-Nov-2002) with Klaus Schulze as Live Studio- > Guest. Please contact me off_list. > heiko@o... > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37388 Re: KS on Radio Eins heineu heineu Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Tom Overstreet' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 12:57 pm Subject: TT2 I missed out on this one could someone hook me up I'm new to TD but I have alot f other stuff. Thom From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new Johannes Schmoelling CD Its seems that in fact it *is* a radio play, with Schmoelling's music, like the children's play 'Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini'. armin Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Just had a look at the Johannes Schmoelling website and was delighted to > see that it has been updated two days ago, Johannes will soon release a > new CD called 'Laufen' which contains music from a radio play. I have no > idea about what the music will sound like, but anyway..you can order > your copy at the following URL: 'http://www.johannesschmoelling.de' > (then click on 'CD shop') > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 6:55 pm Subject: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú Okay, I finally got that Canyon Dreams I ordered from Amazon. ('Sent on November 11. - Estimated shipping date September 1.' -Guess they have a time machine...) Had I known what I was getting, I would not have been worried if the stock would have run out and I would have not gotten this... What's all the fuss about? I'm disappointed. This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic Orgy version... The only good track is Canyon Voices, and even that is not really great. Most are so-and-so, some (like Purple Nightfall) are downright lame. At least I spotted a whole lot of references to other pieces. I have this long 88 Paul Haslinger piano solo (thanks Morgan!) and the main theme appears to be from Canyon Voices. Sudden Revealation is strikingly similar to Beach Bay Bunker (from The Dream Roots Collection bonus CD), they both share the same flute(?) pattern; then there's Zen Garden -like percussion on Rock Mountain Hawk, and some faint resemblance to Rubycon pt 2 on the intro of A Matter Of Time... As the headline says, 'Lame Deja Vú' is the aptest description I can think of. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37397 Re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Tue 12/3/2002 2 KB 37403 Re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú John Vertical omegatransfinito Tue 12/3/2002 3 KB 37409 Re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú tei waz teiwazbarana2002 Tue 12/3/2002 2 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 6:50 pm Subject: Nottingham '76 I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37389 Re: Nottingham '76 Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB 37390 Re: Nottingham '76 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB 37400 Re: Nottingham '76 braddito braddito Tue 12/3/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:02 pm Subject: Hard Day's Night nod >I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife >noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else >noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested. > >Scott Plumer You're not the only one. :) >From: Ivan Yerkedoff >Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:01 pm >Subject: TT 1 + Beatles? > >P.S. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatles >Hard Day's Night on Nottingham, track 3 starting 11:24 >and then 11: 48? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'heineu' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:03 pm Subject: Re: KS on Radio Eins Hello, that is right, but my recording is not the audio-stream recording from the Radio Eins Homepage, I recorded this directly with digital Radio-Tuner. I think the audio stream is a reduced quality. Cheers Heiko - mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote: > The interview is online here: > http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/interview.jsp? id=70860 > > regards, > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'heineu' > To: > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:50 AM > Subject: [tadream] KS on Radio Eins > > > > hello > > > > if you intersted in a recording (2 Hours) of the last Radio Eins : > > ElektroBeats Show (27-Nov-2002) with Klaus Schulze as Live Studio- > > Guest. Please contact me off_list. > > heiko@o... > > > > Cheers > > Heiko - Mr. Optical > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 4:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nottingham '76 I think someone else metioned this while ago Scott. At the time, I checked out my copy and the melody is defintely in there! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [tadream] Nottingham '76 > I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife > noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else > noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested. > > Scott > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37390 Re: Nottingham '76 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nottingham '76 Yep, this was brought up a few months back. I remember putting on the headphones, listening carefully and there it was: A Hard Days Night! I would have preferred I Am The Walrus but you can't have everything ;-) --- Chris Owen wrote: > I think someone else metioned this while ago Scott. > At the time, I checked > out my copy and the melody is defintely in there! > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott > To: > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:50 AM > Subject: [tadream] Nottingham '76 > > > > I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day > (From TT1) and my wife > > noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard > Day's Night.' Anyone else > > noticed this? I can find the exact time if > anyone's interested. > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Deb H-J Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 8:40 pm Subject: Earphone Question Folks: Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of earphones available to block out area sound such as other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise blocker/white sound circuit in them that help somewhat, but not near enough. I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead speaker that projects a radio station playing the same 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. Any suggestions...please? Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37392 Re: Earphone Question Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB 37393 Re: Earphone Question Thomas Overstreet otomsgarden Mon 12/2/2002 3 KB 37394 Re: Earphone Question Phil White blancmanuk Mon 12/2/2002 4 KB 37395 Re: Earphone Question Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 12/3/2002 3 KB 37396 Re: Earphone Question coldwatercanyon tangram80 Tue 12/3/2002 4 KB 37398 Re: Earphone Question Peter Ravn Tue 12/3/2002 5 KB 37399 Re: Earphone Question Falcon ppgwave2000 Tue 12/3/2002 2 KB 37401 Re: Earphone Question braddito braddito Tue 12/3/2002 3 KB 37402 Re: Earphone Question Dan Downey djambient Tue 12/3/2002 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question From: 'Deb H-J' > Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of > earphones available to block out area sound such as > other folks radios, conversation, etc.? Hi Deb I'm working in a rather noisy office at the moment and I've started using these Sony earphones with my Minidisc player. http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1B1522A2 You might want to try a pair like this, with the moulded bits that fit right in the ear. I find them pretty good for blocking out noise. Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: Thomas Overstreet Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question Save yourself the $300.00 or so dollars that the the new BOSE would cost you and send a couple of dollars on a screw driver and some wirecutters. Work late one night , unscrew the speaker and snip the wires then splice them back together. they've just think your speaker stopped working. hom On Monday, Dec 02, 2002, at 03:40PM, Deb H-J wrote: >Folks: > >Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of >earphones available to block out area sound such as >other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently >using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise >blocker/white sound circuit in them that help >somewhat, but not near enough. > >I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a >cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead >speaker that projects a radio station playing the same >25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and >I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's >CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. > >Any suggestions...please? > >Deb H-J >dhj4@y... > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question If I had to work in an environment like that I'd be getting health and safety officials round there pretty damn quick....! Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Deb H-J' To: 'Tadream' Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:40 PM Subject: [tadream] Earphone Question > Folks: > > Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of > earphones available to block out area sound such as > other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently > using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise > blocker/white sound circuit in them that help > somewhat, but not near enough. > > I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a > cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead > speaker that projects a radio station playing the same > 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and > I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's > CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. > > Any suggestions...please? > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 12:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Earphone Question And they wonder why people go postal... :) (Deb - That's NOT a suggestion!) Seriously, I use a pretty cheap pair of ear buds at work, and they do the trick most of the time for me. People have to tap me on the shoulder to get my attention if the volume is up. James (working late - blasting 'The Fires of Ork' through my desktop speakers since there's no one else here to bother...) -----Original Message----- I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead speaker that projects a radio station playing the same 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. Any suggestions...please? Deb H-J dhj4@y... From: coldwatercanyon Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question Hello I think there is a kind of special headphones manufactured by Sony which can totoally block out outside noise. This headphone uses batteries though. I do not know the item no. of this headphone, but a friend of mine who had a flight with me used that, and he was able to sleep well on the plane in spite of noises around. Maybe this suits you. Check out the internet for more info - maybe other brands exist too. Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Deb H-J To: Tadream Subject: [tadream] Earphone Question Date: Tue Dec 03 04:40:53 HKT 2002 Folks: Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of earphones available to block out area sound such as other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise blocker/white sound circuit in them that help somewhat, but not near enough. I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead speaker that projects a radio station playing the same 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. Any suggestions...please? Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú On Monday 02 December 2002 6:55 pm, John Vertical wrote: > This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is > this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds > somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic > Orgy version... Well, you're listening to it in reverse chronological order...I think it would be fairer to say that Oasis is very strongly reminiscent of Caynon Dreams, and that themes like the piano solo or the bonus tracks you mention have been lifted from it! I really like Canyon Dreams. The first few tracks all work well for me, and 'Sudden Revelation' is quite sublime. I wish they'd done more in this vein. Dennis From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question Hi, The Headphones are called Noise Cancelling or just NC - look out for NC in the name of the Sony Headphones - they block out some frequencies better than others so don't expect they can remove screaming children or teenagers ;-) An example on such a headphone is here http://www.minidisco.com/minispecs/sonymdrnc20.html Peter Ravn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'coldwatercanyon' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question > Hello > > I think there is a kind of special headphones manufactured by Sony which can totoally block out outside noise. This headphone uses batteries though. I do not know the item no. of this headphone, but a friend of mine who had a flight with me used that, and he was able to sleep well on the plane in spite of noises around. Maybe this suits you. Check out the internet for more info - maybe other brands exist too. > > Jeffrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deb H-J > To: Tadream > Subject: [tadream] Earphone Question > Date: Tue Dec 03 04:40:53 HKT 2002 > > Folks: > > Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of > earphones available to block out area sound such as > other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently > using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise > blocker/white sound circuit in them that help > somewhat, but not near enough. > > I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a > cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead > speaker that projects a radio station playing the same > 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and > I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's > CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. > > Any suggestions...please? > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- > This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Falcon Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 11:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question At 09:40 PM 12/2/2002, you wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of >earphones available to block out area sound such as >other folks radios, conversation, etc.? Try the Koss 'The Plug'. I've been using these now for 9 months and they sound great. They are similar to a Earbud ('Oropax', i dont know the english word for that), but with a small tube inside, that pumps the sound directly into your ear. They block all outside noise (do not use while driving or so), and have a very good bass response. And they are quite cheap US$ 15,99. BTW, in germany, these are sold for some 35 Euro (about twice as in the US. . .) Ramon From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Nottingham '76 Scott, I agree that there is a similarity as I remember noticing it when I first got a tape copy in '77. It's part of the third piece if I remember correctly. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Scott' wrote: > I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife > noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else > noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested. > > Scott From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 12:57 pm Subject: Re: Earphone Question What an awful working environment, but at least you are able to listen to your own music - even with background noise it's got ot be better than unadulterated 'pop'. I can only listen to my stuff before 8.30 or after 5.30 when we have no 'phone calls. Surely if the background music is so loud you can still hear it, you have grounds for complaint as someone else suggested ? Toby --- In tadream@y..., Deb H-J wrote: > Folks: > I work in a > cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead > speaker that projects a radio station playing the same > 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and > I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's > CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. > > Any suggestions...please? > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question I looked into this a bit myself for a similar problem. I did end up getting some noise cancelling Aiwa headphones. The thing about the NC headphones is I think they are really designed with air travel in mind. They are great for cutting out the low level hum of machines and engines (great on the bus) but they do little with voices, in fact I can hear outside voices clearer since the other noises are filtered. I went to a couple of high end audio stores looking for the holy grail and one guy told me that that full enclosure headphones designed to block all external sound have disappeared largely due to lawsuits by people wearing them and being oblivious to dangerous situations. Apparently some guy never heard his smoke alarm. Could be hype though. On the plus side I've recently seen some headphones being advertised for club DJs that are designed to block out as much external noise as possible so that they can liste and prepare their mixes. That's a lot of sound to block out so that may do the trick. So you might want to check out some music stores like Guitar Center or whatever's local rather than hi-fi/electronics shops. Once when I worked in a machine shop I modified a pair of large Koss headphones by apart them appart and filling all the cavities with a dense foam, that worked amazingly well. DanD --- Deb H-J wrote: > Folks: > > Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair > of > earphones available to block out area sound such as > other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm > currently > using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise > blocker/white sound circuit in them that help > somewhat, but not near enough. > > I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a > cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an > overhead > speaker that projects a radio station playing the > same > 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and > I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's > CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND. > > Any suggestions...please? > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú > > This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is > > this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds > > somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic > > Orgy version... > >Well, you're listening to it in reverse chronological order...I think >it would be fairer to say that Oasis is very strongly reminiscent of >Caynon Dreams, and that themes like the piano solo or the bonus >tracks you mention have been lifted from it! That's like saying 'You look indeed really alike, Benny and Matt. Especially you, Ben.' The order doesn't matter. I'm not commenting on where these themes came from... I just wonder why is Canyon Dreams so different from the other Blue Years TD I've heard? >I really like Canyon Dreams. The first few tracks all work well for >me, and 'Sudden Revelation' is quite sublime. I wish they'd done more >in this vein. > >Dennis Yep, that's my point indeed - I don't like it. Shadow Flyer, Canyon Carver and Colorado Dawn are all OK, but not very special. Canyon Voices and Sudden Revealation are sort of good but I still prefer Beach Bay Bunker & that piano solo. Water's Gift sounds like a prolonged intro into nothing; the rest just plain suck. Oasis at least has Flashflood, Summer Storm and Waterborne... John Vertical (is this going too negative?) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú > > > This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is > > > this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds > > > somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic > > > Orgy version... > > > >Well, you're listening to it in reverse chronological order...I think > >it would be fairer to say that Oasis is very strongly reminiscent of > >Caynon Dreams, and that themes like the piano solo or the bonus > >tracks you mention have been lifted from it! > > That's like saying 'You look indeed really alike, Benny and Matt. Especially > you, Ben.' > The order doesn't matter. I'm not commenting on where these themes came > from... I just wonder why is Canyon Dreams so different from the other Blue > Years TD I've heard? Of course it matters, since your initial point was that Canyon Dreams sounds so much like Oasis that you were wondering whether it had been re-mixed more recently. As far as I know (but I'm not 100% sure) it hasn't. TD's output in that period was quite heterogeneous anyway, so it's difficult to say just how different Canyon Dreams is from Le Parc, Legend, Underwater Sunlight, Tyger, or Livemiles (which are all very different from one another themselves). I see no reason to believe that Canyon Dreams wasn't recorded during (at the end of) that period; and my impression is that, when recording Oasis, TD consciously revisited Canyon Dreams and some of the textures of that album. That's why I think the order of release matters. > Yep, that's my point indeed - I don't like it. > Shadow Flyer, Canyon Carver and Colorado Dawn are all OK, but not very > special. Canyon Voices and Sudden Revealation are sort of good but I still > prefer Beach Bay Bunker & that piano solo. Water's Gift sounds like a > prolonged intro into nothing; the rest just plain suck. > Oasis at least has Flashflood, Summer Storm and Waterborne... > John Vertical (is this going too negative?) No, you just seem to prefer the more lively stuff, which is great. It's the other way around with me. I like the three tracks you mention from Oasis, but I don't think they age quite as well as some of the finer moments of Canyon Dreams. Dennis From: 'fozziebear' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: TD's seeds Just got my seed exchange list today. In the poppy section I came across 'Papaver Orientale Tangerine Dream.' Maybe I will try some for my bees next year. Martin what else are you selling on your website! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Deb H-J Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Earphone Question Thomas: << Save yourself the $300.00 or so dollars that the the new BOSE would cost you and send a couple of dollars on a screw driver and some wirecutters. Work late one night, unscrew the speaker and snip the wires then splice them back together. they've just think your speaker stopped working. >> You don't know how often I've thought about doing this. I have seriously given thought to finding some way of disabling the speaker so no one will know. But with all my feeble attempts to get them to (1) turn the damned thing down and (2) listen to something else have resulted in a lot of friction. The first thought would be that I did it (regardless of what was done). I have been using Aiwa noise-cancelling earphones for about a year, and for the most part, they have worked, but the evil-eared people who can't seem to breath without this music keep turning it up. Apparently, its no good to them unless its LOUD. I've been through the H.R. department, my supervisor, my director, and even gotten doctor certification that it messes with my migraines...but the Top 40 25 songs tinny treble commercials blaring cutie dj stuff continues. (Wonder if I could make a case for diability?) Anyway...my husband is getting me the Bose earphones for Christmas, and if they don't work, I'm going to return them and try Sennheiser noise cancelling earphones, and if they don't work, I'm going to try Etymotic ear buds. Then I'm going to quit. Anyway...thanks for the suggestion! Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Deb H-J Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: Earphone Question Phil: << If I had to work in an environment like that I'd be getting health and safety officials round there pretty damn quick....!>> At the risk of running this topic into the ground, I did try our H.R. (Human Resources Dept.) first. They said that since our organization had no 'music in the workplace' policy, they couldn't intervene. I try not to come across as some sort of nut, but I think that's what they took me for. My thought has always been...if I played my emusic at the same level, they'd all raise such a stink that I'd have to turn it off. I'd like to pipe Pete Namlook's 'Pain Amplifier' through the speaker sometime. Anyway, thanks to you and everyone else for the moral support. Deb H-J dhj4@y... Thanks for the ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Thomas Overstreet Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question Being an electrician who now does alarm systems I really do know what you are talking about. Most of these systems today can be wired for a certain wattage coming in and I always tap them at the lowest. I just finished an elementary scholl where they prints required me to put 7 audio visual devices in a small nurse's station. It's insane, loud noises like this can actually make you sick due to it disturbing and damaging your inner ear but yet they pay people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to do it again and gain. I say discontact the things and don't say anything to anyone about it. Thom On Tuesday, Dec 03, 2002, at 02:01PM, Deb H-J wrote: >Thomas: > ><< Save yourself the $300.00 or so dollars that the >the new BOSE would cost you and send a couple of >dollars on a screw driver and some wirecutters. Work >late one night, unscrew the speaker and snip the wires >then splice them back together. they've just think >your speaker stopped working. >> > >You don't know how often I've thought about doing >this. I have seriously given thought to finding some >way of disabling the speaker so no one will know. But >with all my feeble attempts to get them to (1) turn >the damned thing down and (2) listen to something else >have resulted in a lot of friction. The first thought >would be that I did it (regardless of what was done). > >I have been using Aiwa noise-cancelling earphones for >about a year, and for the most part, they have worked, >but the evil-eared people who can't seem to breath >without this music keep turning it up. Apparently, its >no good to them unless its LOUD. > >I've been through the H.R. department, my supervisor, >my director, and even gotten doctor certification that >it messes with my migraines...but the Top 40 25 songs >tinny treble commercials blaring cutie dj stuff >continues. (Wonder if I could make a case for >diability?) > >Anyway...my husband is getting me the Bose earphones >for Christmas, and if they don't work, I'm going to >return them and try Sennheiser noise cancelling >earphones, and if they don't work, I'm going to try >Etymotic ear buds. Then I'm going to quit. > >Anyway...thanks for the suggestion! > >Deb H-J >dhj4@y... > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:00 pm Subject: re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú canyon dreams was a welcome respite in a sea of TD soundtrack releases of the era, specifically three o'clock high shy people deadly care unfortunately it was really the end of an era signalling the drive towards private music.... Additionally, I think the near unavailability of the CD version for several years (except for a couple of tracks) boosted canyon dreams' regard amongst TD die-hards. --T (wishing my td.org 'the melrose years' order would stop having issues....--about to give up on it) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question Well...for better or worse we can't play any music at our office (including headphones) MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: braddito toby.braddick@u... Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:57:02 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question What an awful working environment, but at least you are able to listen to your own music - even with background noise it's got ot be better than unadulterated 'pop'. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'bjoernsip' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:12 pm Subject: The Melrose Years Got my signed digipack (245/1000) today - just listening to Optical Race! It´s sometimes amazing listening to the re-recorded versions. Right now great guitar works in Marakash by Mark Hornby and lovely percussion by Iris Kulterer in Sun Gate. I believe, that some of the songs could be part of my personal Top Ten in future. It will be a long night till the the last note Melrose. Björn Sip PS: Got my Rubycon - T-Shirt too, very good printing quality!!! THANX to TDI Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37429 Re: The Melrose Years Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 12/5/2002 4 KB 37430 Re: The Melrose Years Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB 37431 Re: The Melrose Years Synthhtnys@a... Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB 37432 The Melrose Years Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37498 The Melrose Years tom george eloy_usa Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB From: Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:35 pm Subject: Edgar's song Hi guys! You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip Is Edgar really singing? Have fun! Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37426 Re: Edgar's song Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Wed 12/4/2002 2 KB 37433 Re: Edgar's song TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37448 Re: Edgar's song Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37440 Re: Edgar's song John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB 37454 Re: Edgar's song jarek@w... jerryplpl Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37446 Re: Edgar's song Marion Horrod MarionHorrod Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB 37447 Re: Edgar's song Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37475 Re: Edgar's song Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37453 Re: Edgar's song vic rek kyivmission Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB From: Vincent Guérenne Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 10:12 pm Subject: London Astoria gig. Hi, guys ! I'm not a newbie, but it's my first post to the list. I had some troubles when I booked online for the show. After an error on the page, I've finaly bought 4 tickets in the place of 2 ! The page has not been refreshed and quantity was repeated. Take care ! There is the answer of the helpdesk : 'Unfortunately it is not possible to change the quantity of tickets in an account once the booking has been confirmed. It is possible to cancel the booking and you could rebook with the desired amount of tickets but there would be a cancellation fee of £2.00 per ticket.' I cancelled and nevertheless, two days later I received 4 tickets ! So, I've 2 tickets to sold at the price of £20 (without the disgusting fee required by TicketWebb...) Please contact me off-list. My wife and I will be happy to meet all 'usual suspects' in London. Regards, Vincent. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37416 Re: London Astoria gig. Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/3/2002 3 KB From: David Butler Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 10:21 pm Subject: Headphones continued I'm not sure if you can get away with wearing completely over the ear type phones, but if you can I would definetely recommend Sony MDR-V6. They are one of the best headphones I've ever listened to and I've listened to a lot. They are a bit hard to find sometimes but should be in the $75 range. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37417 Re: Headphones continued dat_dream dat_dream Wed 12/4/2002 3 KB 37421 Re: Headphones continued John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 12/4/2002 2 KB From: 'sequentc' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:23 am Subject: Canyon Dreams : Landscape music Canyon Dream .................. which came first the music or the film? If you see the images.... the music makes 'sense'........ when I play some of the music from this CD... the images do somehow get recalled, and both 'film images' and 'music' make a tight fit. Possibly not classic TD but ......... highly interesting music......I thought this led nicely into the studio albums Optical Race, Melrose and Lilly on the Beach?! Ray H From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] London Astoria gig. good deal, I am sure you wont those extra tickets for long ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Vincent Guérenne' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: [tadream] London Astoria gig. > Hi, guys ! > > I'm not a newbie, but it's my first post to the list. I had some troubles > when I booked online for the show. After an error on the page, I've finaly > bought 4 tickets in the place of 2 ! The page has not been refreshed and > quantity was repeated. Take care ! > There is the answer of the helpdesk : > 'Unfortunately it is not possible to change the quantity of tickets in an > account once the booking has been confirmed. It is possible to cancel the > booking and you could rebook with the desired amount of tickets but there > would be a cancellation fee of £2.00 per ticket.' > I cancelled and nevertheless, two days later I received 4 tickets ! > So, I've 2 tickets to sold at the price of £20 (without the disgusting fee > required by TicketWebb...) Please contact me off-list. > My wife and I will be happy to meet all 'usual suspects' in London. > > Regards, > Vincent. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'dat_dream' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 12:49 am Subject: Re: Headphones continued --- In tadream@y..., David Butler wrote: > I'm not sure if you can get away with wearing > completely over the ear type phones, but if you can I > would definetely recommend Sony MDR-V6. They are one > of the best headphones I've ever listened to and I've > listened to a lot. They are a bit hard to find > sometimes but should be in the $75 range. Of course, > that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David I used to have a MDR-V6 and now use a couple of Sony MDR-V600's which I THINK is a repackaged V6 or newer version... whatever. Sony changes model #'s more often than some people change socks. I too think they offer a lot of bang for the buck, sound great for home use, and are comfortable for extended use (a problem I have w/ the earbuds), albeit they are warm to wear. Think earmuffs. I use 'em on the job and they do a decent job of muffling the noises, but don't completely block out external sounds. A quick check on dealtime.com turned up both the V-6 and V-600 for $80 to $110 delivered. I've tried a Sony MDR-NC20 and they seem to work better at reducing sustained noises (jet engines) but don't do so well at transient sounds (talking and probably, unfortunately, top 40). But the NC20 is a few years old and maybe the electronics have improved in the past few years. Hope this helps. From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:25 am Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - Final process on the run !!! Hi There At this time, the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is on its final process for a release in January as usual. You will se soon on www.tadream.net or www.olyam.com some pictures and sound samples. As some of the musicians sent me more than one track i created a very limited Preview CDR only for the musicians. They can contact Tom Richmond TRichmond@b... for having a copy. This CDR contains 17 tracks featuring short edited versions and 10 Unreleased tracks not available on any onther DWT volume. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR planned for January. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams Disc 1 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) (c) Olyam Music Production visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur' 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) (c) Nightbirds 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) (c) P. Ellis 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) (c) Sensorial recordings visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) (c) Mirage Créations 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - Stephen Fletcher) (c) Dream Conspiracy visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) (c) Ionic 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) (c) G. Jobim 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) (c) R. Rollins Disc 2 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) (c) Pergamon 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) (c) O. Briand 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) (c) F. Yargui 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) (c) A. Stocker 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) (c) M. McMillan 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) (c) 3N 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) (c) G. Hemery 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) (c) J. Owens Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List Project managed by Yannick Edom Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion Artwork : Yannick Edom Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse (France) The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam (www.olyam.com) Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every musicians in this project. (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- For information here are the track/credits for the preview CDR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams Special Preview CDR Very Limited edition for the musicians only 1- 3N 'The Farthest Shore' (3N) * (c) 3N 2- Gilles Hemery 'The Sanctuary' (G. Hemery) * (c) G.Hemery 3- Pergaamon 'First Touch' (Pergamon) * (c) Pergamon 4- Rik Rollins 'Fear Inside' (R. Rollins) * (c) R. Rollins 5- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) (c) Sensorial Recordings Full version on final DWT III 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - Stephen Fletcher) * (c) Dream Conspiracy 7- Darklion 'Planet of Dreams' (Darklion) * (c) Mirage Créations 8- Olivier Briand 'Stratoss Fire' (O. Briand) * (c) O. Briand 9- Satsuma Nightmare 'Edna Makes a Choice' (Alan Stocker - Jon Angell)* (c) Satsuma Nightmare) 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) (c) J. Owens Full vesrion on final DWT III 11- Ionic 'Intripidation' (Ionic) * (c) Ionic 'Logos' and 'Poland' quotes composed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling 12- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) (c) G. Jobim Full version on final DWT III 13- Nightbirds 'Morning Weather (excerpt)' (Modular - Bluedesk)* (c) Nightbirds 14- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) (c) F. Yargui Full version on final DWT III 15- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) (c) P. Ellis Full version on final DWT III 16- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) (c) M. McMillan Full version on final DWT III 17- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) (c) Olyam Music Production Full version on final DWT III * track on this preview CDR only - not available on any other DWT volume Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List Project managed by Yannick Edom Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion Artwork : Yannick Edom Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse (France) The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. Very Limited edition For the musicians only Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam (www.olyam.com) Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every musicians in this project. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:44 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] The Melrose Years Got yesterday my digipack (191/1000) also with the rubycon t-shirt. Have taking a short listening to each song. And have the Information that the box-set Tangents again available in Germany. Here is one address, if you want to order: http://www.soundhouse-music.de/ Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich 'bjoernsip' on 03.12.2002 22:12:20 Bitte antworten an tadream@yahoogroups.com An: tadream@yahoogroups.com Kopie: Thema: [tadream] The Melrose Years Got my signed digipack (245/1000) today - just listening to Optical Race! It´s sometimes amazing listening to the re-recorded versions. Right now great guitar works in Marakash by Mark Hornby and lovely percussion by Iris Kulterer in Sun Gate. I believe, that some of the songs could be part of my personal Top Ten in future. It will be a long night till the the last note Melrose. Björn Sip PS: Got my Rubycon - T-Shirt too, very good printing quality!!! THANX to TDI ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: 'rbicon' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:43 am Subject: New 2002 EM poll Hello every EM fan. After 1 week and nearly 10 participants, here are the first places of this 2002 poll; Best 2002 EM cd -Resurrection-Max Von Richter Best 2002 techno cd-Seventh wave-System 7 Best 2002 song-Triochame-Ionic Newcomers of 2002-Ionic Comeback of the year-Max Von Richter Best CD of all time-Tangram by TD Deception of the year-Manuel Gottsching I'm expecting more participants. So please in order to help EM artists and help future EM costumers in their choices of buying, visit; http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/pool_2002/pool_2002.htm PS. Any info on Ionic? Thanks and my best salute to all of you Sylvain from Québec,Canada From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Headphones continued Have I understood the situation, as stated in these HR messages correctly..? The music is not being played 'officially', it's just someone playing his / her own stuff? Well go ahead! Declare war! Do unplug that speaker! Or in case other people want to hear something through it, play something like Fly and Collision of Comas Sola, or Wahn, or Ultima Thule, or... through it. I guess they will eventually understand *your* stand of not wanting to hear stuff? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:49 am Subject: Kieslowski & Tangent I've commonly caught my usually non-musical mother whistiling the tune from the first quarter of Tangent... I thought that it was simply because the melody is some sort of catchy, but she claims that it actually resembles something from Kieslowski's Blue... Any comments? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37423 Re: Kieslowski & Tangent Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Wed 12/4/2002 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 11:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Kieslowski & Tangent I've seen BLUE countless times, and never made the connection... I'll have to watch it again and let you know. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:50 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Kieslowski & Tangent > > > I've commonly caught my usually non-musical mother whistiling the > tune from > the first quarter of Tangent... I thought that it was simply because the > melody is some sort of catchy, but she claims that it actually resembles > something from Kieslowski's Blue... > > Any comments? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:29 pm Subject: Re: FW: [tadream] Edgar's song That was fun...but so silly! Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> 'Michael A Jean' 12/04/02 06:43AM >>> -----Original Message----- From: jarek@w... [mailto:jarek@w...] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:36 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Edgar's song Hi guys! You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip Is Edgar really singing? Have fun! Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:27 pm Subject: Bonus track = renamed track! I've just received my copy of 'The Melrose Years' (118/1000). Listening to the bonus track of the Optical Race CD (Ruling the Waves) I was sure I had listened to it before! Well, this track is identical to 'Ivory Town' from i-box cd 4. Now I can't wait for listening to the other bonus tracks... Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37428 Re: Bonus track = renamed track! Steven Feldman losmara Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's song Very funny! Thanks :-) > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: Melrose bonus track Listening to the bonus track of the Melrose CD (The Back of Beyond) I experienced another 'deja vu' sensation, but in this case I knew the music only from a unofficial recording. 'The Back of Beyond' is identical to 'Sequence II' from the bootleg 'In der Gärten Pharaos/Bicycle Race' or 'Unstable Orbit' from 'Persistence of Vision'. Antonio Nunes From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bonus track = renamed track! On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:27:20 +0000 Antonio Nunes writes: >I've just received my copy of 'The Melrose Years' (118/1000). >Listening to the bonus track of the Optical Race CD (Ruling >the Waves) I was sure I had listened to it before! Well, >this track is identical to 'Ivory Town' from i-box cd 4. Now >I can't wait for listening to the other bonus tracks... Am I the only one who finds it disheartening that the bonus track is a previously-released track? >Antonio Nunes Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Melrose Years > Got my signed digipack (245/1000) today - just listening to Optical > Race! It´s sometimes amazing listening to the re-recorded versions. > Right now great guitar works in Marakash by Mark Hornby and lovely > percussion by Iris Kulterer in Sun Gate. I believe, that some of the > songs could be part of my personal Top Ten in future. > It will be a long night till the the last note Melrose. I listened to all three discs in a row yesterday (loud under headphones, as usual) and agree 100% with what Björn said. If you didn't like Optical race, Lily on the beach and Melrose when they got released the first time, you most certainly won't like the 'Melrose years trilogy' either. But I liked all of them (especially 'Melrose' is fabulous), and the longer I listened to the new cd set I got more and more enthusiastic about it. This is not just Edgar trying to add some new synth sounds to old recordings which should have better left in their original form (like on 'Soundmill Navigator'), it is for the most part a complete re-recording which is not a bit irritating or disturbing at all. It's hard to describe, but when I first heard CDs like 'Sohoman' or 'Soundmill Navigator' I knew that something was wrong, here it's like it should be done. 'Optical race' has some very nice guitar solos from Mark Hornby which brings new life to tracks like 'Marakesh', and the title track is an interesting variation..less drums and less Atari sounds, and I guess it would make a suitable encore for the forthcoming London Astoria gig. Disc 3 (Melrose) has 'The back of beyond' as bonus track, this was an as yet unreleased piece that was part of the Melrose UK tour in October/November 1990, and for me it is the perfect missing link to a perfect album. Some of the tracks really sound quite different, just listen to 'Electric lion'. Although the compositional structure is the same, the instruments that were used make it sound like an alternative version..very nice. I could go on and on, but I guess I better start working.. ;-) THUMBS UP! Heiko P.S.: the Ricochet t-shirt looks totally awesome (although my wife had another nervous breakdown when I showed it to her, she screamed something like 'oh no, not another one of these damn TD t-shirts' before she crashed onto the floor ~LOL~) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37430 Re: The Melrose Years Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/5/2002 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:18 am Subject: Re: The Melrose Years --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > 'Optical race' has some very nice guitar solos from > Mark Hornby which brings new life to tracks like 'Marakesh', and the title > track is an interesting variation..less drums and less Atari sounds, and I > guess it would make a suitable encore for the forthcoming London Astoria gig. I really doubt they used the internal Atari sounds for any of their albums as the soundchip was not that good. They had lots of synths which did a better so it wouldn't make sense. They used it for Cubase though. So how does the t-shirts look like? Is there a picture of it on the TD site (haven't checked it yet). Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Melrose Years In a message dated 12/5/2002 4:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, mengels@w... writes: > Is there a picture > of it on the TD site (haven't checked it yet). > > Marcel *Yeah there's a picture there... looks cool to me. I have to confess I bought all three of the classic album cover t-shirts... and an extra Rubycon shirt for a christmas present.... be warned, they're expensive! ;-) but if it's a quality T-shirt like they say then it'll be worth it! Poly From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:53 am Subject: The Melrose Years You make me all very curious about The Melrose Years. I received my copy yesterday (Nr. 89, no Tshirts as I'm far too skinny for XL ;-) ) but didn't had any time yet to listen to them. Naturally, I'm suspicious about Optical Race as the original is one of my fave TD albums (curious enough for a Zeit-Fan...), but also hopeful as I dispise most of the original 'Melrose'... Can't wait for the weekend... hope our (unborn) baby likes it... ;-) cheers armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's song At 22:35 03.12.02, you wrote: >Hi guys! > >You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans >here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip >Is Edgar really singing? >Have fun! > >Jarek 'Jerry' >mailto:jarek@w... >Visit my websites at: >http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ >http://www.klausmusic.pl/ >http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ That was hilarious, Jerome, I and the rest of the office staff were laughing tears! Well done, nice job! :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37448 Re: Edgar's song Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB From: tweibrecht@j... Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel any fans on this list need copies of his current tour? tom w ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37445 Re: O/T Peter Gabriel Strimples strimples Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37449 RE : [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel Fred Yargui fredyargui Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: Iris K has a new CD http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/album.html Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question Deb H-J wrote: > I'd like to pipe Pete Namlook's 'Pain Amplifier' through the speaker > sometime. nahh Why don't you try Einstürzende Neubauten's 'Headcleaner' instead? Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #297 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #297 November 28, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc two of the two CD set 'Cloudseeder' by Wave World on the VFR label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Cords' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Two Dutch Bands http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy On Presuming To Be Cords (Passport Records) Modern Part III Robert Carty Elementals Dreaming Earth Water Memories (Deep Sky) Jeff Pearce Written in Water Bleed (Hypnos) Free System Projekt Faraday Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Wave World The Chain Species (Quantum) Jonn Serrie The Tachyon Directive Ixlandia (Miramar) Asmus Tiechens and V The Shifts Recyclings (Soleilmoon) 12:00 am Wave World Nebulae Cloudseeder (VFR) Wave World The Quest * Species (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, one of spacemusic's pioneers. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'And the Stars Go With You' on the New World Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'hotsewer' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:30 pm Subject: Bonus Track I've just received my copy of 'The Melrose Years' (118/1000). Listening to the bonus track of the Optical Race CD (Ruling the Waves) I was sure I had listened to it before! Well, this track is identical to 'Ivory Town' from i-box cd 4. Now I can't wait for listening to the other bonus tracks... Antonio Nunes Given that TD write, play, produce and market this stuff you would think they would know better than to issue the same track twice under different names (although I think its not the first time that its happened with previous box set releases). Still the recent material sounds so similar anyway it would be an aesy mistake even for the composers to make. TIM G Munich Germany From: Thomas Overstreet Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question I don't speak up here often but the perfect thisng would be Lu Reed's Metal Machine Music Thom On Thursday, Dec 05, 2002, at 12:52PM, PENFOLD wrote: > > >Deb H-J wrote: >> I'd like to pipe Pete Namlook's 'Pain Amplifier' through the speaker >> sometime. > >nahh >Why don't you try Einstürzende Neubauten's 'Headcleaner' instead? > > > >Pete Isaacson aka °º?ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø?º° >mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead >http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html >Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 >1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the >$$.....Damn!!!!! >'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven >Feldman > >Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's song > >Hi guys! > > > >You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans > >here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip > >Is Edgar really singing? > >Have fun! > > > >Jarek 'Jerry' > > >That was hilarious, > >Jerome, I and the rest of the office staff were laughing tears! > >Well done, nice job! > >:-) I can't get the file to open - is it some window-only format? (I use a Mac) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37454 Re: Edgar's song jarek@w... jerryplpl Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:44 pm Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for November, 2002 WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to New Age Voice for November, 2002. Shows #294 to #297; 7-October-2002 to 28-October-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f... CONTACT: billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Adam Schabtach - Elephant Island - Atomic City Asmus Tiechens and vidnaObmana - The Shifts Recyclings - Soleilmoon Free System Projekt - Atmospheric Conditions - Quantum Ixohoxi - Somnabulae - MP3.COM Jeff Pearce - Bleed - Hypnos John Flomer - On a Stranger Light - Spotted Peccary Jonn Serrie - Ixlandia - Miramar Metlay! - After Silence - Atomic City Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - Imprint - Hypnos Mikronesia - Mikronesia - none Radio Massacre International - Planets in the Wires - Northern Echo Recordins Richard Pinhas - Event and Repetitions - Cuneiform Robert Carty - Dreaming Earth Water Memories - Deep Sky Robert Carty and Brannan Lane - Climatic Infusion - none Stephen Philips - Reflections in Water - Dark Duck Steve Curtain - Wires On Dry Trees Turn Night Into Day - none Various Artists - First Decade 1992-2002 - Manikin Various Artists - Hampshire Jam Preserved - none vidnaObmana - An Opera for Four Fusion Works - Hypnos Wave World - Cloudseeder - VFR From: 'heineu' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Forum canceled!!!! Hello all, I cant found on the TD Homepage the Forum. Is it canceled??? Miracles became it me not, because makes contributions were simply only stupid, there. Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:16 pm Subject: Re: Earphone Question If you've produced evidence that it's damaging your health, and they still insist on doing it, surely you could sue them for reckless endangerment or something? And if not that, how about constructive dismissal (or don't you have that in the states)? Anyway, keep fighting! LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: Re: that earphone question again Michael wrote: 'we can't play any music at our office (including headphones)' No, we can't either, ever since they found somebody listening to white supremacist stuff when he was supposed to be listening to a training tape. (Although it seems to be accepted if you're working late or at the weekend.) I'm really glad I work at home three days a week! LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: 'Strimples' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel Yes, I could use some. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel > > > any fans on this list need copies of his current tour? > > tom w > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37449 RE : [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel Fred Yargui fredyargui Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's song Tee Hee! Much giggling in the Horrod household (in between the sounds of Dave drooling at the shots of Iris). Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's starting to look? LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37447 Re: Edgar's song Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 12/5/2002 3 KB 37475 Re: Edgar's song Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar's song Iris is wayyyy better looking than I gave her credit for. she can play the bongos for me anytime :-) I think my wife may thump me now... --- Marion Horrod wrote: > Tee Hee! > > Much giggling in the Horrod household (in between > the sounds of Dave > drooling at the shots of Iris). > > Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte > Edgar's starting to look? > > LnH > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's > twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's song Ha Ha Ha! Wow! Very good song! The french author of this piece is Joe Dassin... Well TD and Joe? What a contrast! 'TACADACADA'... hum... I prefer 'Tchic a Tchic a poum ba !!!' - Very good especially when the words are understood! - Très bon... surtout lorsqu'on comprend les paroles! Thank you for the file! Yanick --- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > At 22:35 03.12.02, you wrote: > >Hi guys! > > > >You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans > >here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip > >Is Edgar really singing? > >Have fun! > > > >Jarek 'Jerry' > >mailto:jarek@w... > >Visit my websites at: > >http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > >http://www.klausmusic.pl/ > >http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > That was hilarious, > > Jerome, I and the rest of the office staff were laughing tears! > > Well done, nice job! > > :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:18 pm Subject: RE : [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel Hello, Folks ! As you speak about 'Peter Gab'... I just recorded his live show at Studio Radio France, broadcasted on the radio of the same name ;o) If it interests someones, for the moment, it is on MD... and shall be on cdr or mp3 one of these days... just drop me a line offlist :-) Best Regards Fred -----Message d'origine----- De : Strimples [mailto:squonk@e...] Envoyé : jeudi 5 décembre 2002 20:45 À : tadream@yahoogroups.com Objet : Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel Yes, I could use some. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel > > > any fans on this list need copies of his current tour? > > tom w > > ________________________________________________________________ From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:25 pm Subject: Re: Earphone Question If you were in the States, you'd be able to file a complaint with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and they would someday investigate your workplace and determine if it was a hazard and deal with your employer appropriately. In Britain I suspect they have a similar thing, but anyone who works for your employer will probably do everything they can to NOT give you the information. Do you belong to a union? Go through them, or contact a labor lawyer. Scott From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:43 pm Subject: The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song) On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:17:41 +0000 Marion Horrod writes: >Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's >starting to look? Yeah. Your point? For another chuckle along the same lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm Hee hee. Stephe From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:44 pm Subject: Off Topic- Isao Tomita's 'Dawn Chorus.' Does anyone out there in this vast group know how I might be able to obtain a copy of Isao Tomita's 'Dawn Chorus' on c.d. Please respond privately to my inquiry. Happy Holidays, Wade __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar's song > Much giggling in the Horrod household (in between the sounds of Dave > drooling at the shots of Iris). > > Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's starting to look? Marion, I rememeber a few years ago a similar discussion about the similarities between Nick Nolte and Edgar. I just saw Nick on TV a few days ago and he looks a bit rough (drugs?). But I have never seen Edgar and Nick together, so... ;-) Vic From: Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar's song I don't know about Mac. This a zipped *.wmv file. I could ask the 'file maker' about the codec he has used. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > > I can't get the file to open - is it some window-only format? > (I use a Mac) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 12:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question I think the best part of Scott's message was '...contact a labor lawyer.' From what I have to deal with work places the rest of his message is pretty much right on too. Contact a lawyer and ask. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question > If you were in the States, you'd be able to file a complaint with the > Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and they would someday > investigate your workplace and determine if it was a hazard and deal with > your employer appropriately. In Britain I suspect they have a similar thing, > but anyone who works for your employer will probably do everything they can > to NOT give you the information. Do you belong to a union? Go through them, > or contact a labor lawyer. > > Scott From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:19 am Subject: TD forum It's still there, for what it's worth. I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf ears/eyes. http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs and maybe we'll get some more chat here?! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37460 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37467 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 5 KB 37468 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37472 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37474 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37477 Re: TD forum Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 3 KB 37488 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 8 KB 37490 Re: TD forum Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37497 Re: TD forum Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 12/6/2002 7 KB From: Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:09 am Subject: I'm Back!!! Hello All, I have returned from my vacation a little early. Wash chased out of North Carolina by an ice storm, and from what I see on the news, we were luck to get out when we did. Anyway, I have returned to find....nothing! Not one e-mail is waiting for me. So I must conclude that my system messed up somehow. If there was any e-mails sent to my directly this past week, please resend, and I will respond ASAP. Thanks Neal From: coldwatercanyon Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song) I don't think Edgar looks similar to Nick Nolte or Peter Gulch. I will have to imagine how Edgar without moustache really looks. And Peter Gulch has such a different 'aura' from Edgar, judging from the photo. Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Steven Feldman To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song) Date: Fri Dec 06 05:43:14 HKT 2002 On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:17:41 +0000 Marion Horrod writes: >Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's >starting to look? Yeah. Your point? For another chuckle along the same lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm Hee hee. Stephe From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar's song >I don't know about Mac. This a zipped *.wmv file. I could ask the 'file >maker' about the codec he has used. > >cheers > >Jarek 'Jerry' It unzips just fine, but neither SoundApp (well, not a surprize) nor QuicktimePlayer nor Sparkle Fat opens the file... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37461 Re: Edgar's song Rolf Elfström rcade666 Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote: >It's still there, for what it's worth. >I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf >ears/eyes. > >http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum > >Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs >and maybe we'll get some more chat here?! Dear Jonathan & List, the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly. What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90% deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need. ... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do. Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be removed ASAP. And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and childish remarks about their person ... ;-) How about opening your own forum? the sites: -www.tdsucks.com -www.IhateTD.com and -www.edgarisaw...ker.com are still free. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37467 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 5 KB 37468 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37472 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37474 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37477 Re: TD forum Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 3 KB 37488 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 8 KB 37490 Re: TD forum Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37497 Re: TD forum Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 12/6/2002 7 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:00 am Subject: RE: Edgar's song >It unzips just fine, but neither SoundApp (well, not a surprize) nor >QuicktimePlayer nor Sparkle Fat opens the file... > >John Vertical John, the file is in 'wmv' (W)indows(M)edia(V)ideo format. This type, along with 'wma'-files (WindowsMediaAudio), are ment to be played with the Windows Media Player included with Windows OS. However, Microsoft has released the player for Mac's as well: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/mediaplayer/mediaplayer_default.asp Rolf http://www.rcade.pp.se From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum WOOOOOOWW..........I think Martin here, is in dire need of a hug and some good vibes.................... I can't say I disagree with you Martin, but it came out very hard............. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote: >It's still there, for what it's worth. >I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf >ears/eyes. > >http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum > >Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs >and maybe we'll get some more chat here?! Dear Jonathan & List, the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly. What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90% deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need. ... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do. Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be removed ASAP. And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and childish remarks about their person ... ;-) How about opening your own forum? the sites: -www.tdsucks.com -www.IhateTD.com and -www.edgarisaw...ker.com are still free. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I > > deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract > against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and > childish remarks about their person ... ;-) well thank god I don't have a guestbook on my website ~lol~ I feel sorry for those fans who used the forum in a positive way, but I still remember the 'Admin's complaints on the old TD website about some jerks who used the guestbook like as if they were in Speakers Corner of Hyde Park, and this is what happened again. However, I do not agree with some of the comments of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry because it is complete b*llshit. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37465 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 3 KB 37466 Re: TD forum Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37469 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37473 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37495 Re: TD forum Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum ...there you go! I actually hardly ever looked at that forum, it was just plain too silly (at least the few times I did look at it, there could still be some Heisenberg effect?). I personally wouldn't put such a forum on websites under my name either. After all there are mailing lists like this one you could refer to... There is of course a selection effect. Those immature people Martin was referring to may not be the majority of TD afficionados (don't like the word 'fan') but only the majority of those people who write to forums. But right that is reason enough to dump it. Reminds me now on the recent poll on british TV for the '100 greatest Britons of all time' in which people like Boy George and David Beckham (the latest on rank 33, as far as I remember) appeared. Certainly also a selection effect towards those people who bother taking part in such polls on TV (to those outside of Britain: Churchill winning this poll was not welcomed by some Germans, neither Cromewell in the top ten by the Irish...) Well, its great to have this mailing list, and its even greater to have a 'delete' button... cheers armin TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: [snip] > > How about opening your own forum? > the sites: > -www.tdsucks.com > -www.IhateTD.com > and > -www.edgarisaw...ker.com > are still free. > > > Best regards, > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37526 Cool at Heart Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37527 Re: Cool at Heart Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37530 Re: Cool at Heart Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37528 photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37531 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37533 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37535 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37536 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37539 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > However, I do not agree with some of the comments >of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the majority of so-called >TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry >because it is complete b*llshit. *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be closed in the first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom. Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did not want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration. Peace and love. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37466 Re: TD forum Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37469 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37473 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:55 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum I just agree that I also skipped over many of the foolish threads in the forum, but there was usually something worthwhile buried in the conversation. I thought the reason for the registration was so that admin could easily block the participation of the offending parties (perhaps not). For better or worse, probably did increase web-traffic, but they may not be a good thing if visitors see negative information. I may be rambing a bit, but I just woke up. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...] > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:46 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > > > > > However, I do not agree with some of the comments > >of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the > majority of so-called > >TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry > >because it is complete b*llshit. > > *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only > meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be > closed in the > first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom. > > Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did not > want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration. > > Peace and love. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum Here's how dictionary.com defines 'forum'. 'The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business. A public meeting place for open discussion. A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation. A court of law; a tribunal.' I don't ever recall asking for a forum purely for the exchange of 'information'. Martin, as I recall, we didn't get a lot of participation from the truly informed (the TDI gang). So of course their would be wise-asses. And did you truly believe people could leave out opinion on a Forum? We're not robots. I think that your definitions of the TD fans who used the forum is offensive. Yes, maybe some of them (me included) perhaps sometimes went over the lines of what you may have thought was acceptable for a forum on the official site -TD's 'showroom' if you will. Perhaps I can understand your opinion on this matter. But I wonder if you can understand mine... If you tell someone that you just bought the latest album by (for example) Santana. You would get a mixture of reactions but usually nothing more than at worst 'oh really' or 'yeah, I got that one too, it's pretty good'. If you tell someone that you just bought Inferno by Tangerine Dream, the reaction is usually one of either complete incomprehension (WHO?) or disgust (THOSE guys are still around. You LIKE them/that??) I have loved TD for the longest time. Martin, I wonder if you realise what it's like to be on the outside, looking in. I was at work last Saturday, and as it was outside normal hours, I was able to play some TD. I used the jukebox on the website. People stared and laughed at me for what I was playing. For most of the time that I've been a fan and have played TD's music, people laugh at me for my taste. They f**king laugh! Do you have any idea what it's like to be ostracised when you're 14 because of your music tastes being 'weird'? To have that continue, in one form or another, until like me, your nudging 30. It does not bother me so much now. My wife has heard so much TD that even some of it she admits to liking (especially Underwater Sunlight). If people ask me who my favourite band is I still say 'Tangerine Dream' proudly and brace myself for one of the reactions I mentioned earlier. We go to the TD website. We continue to purchase the new releases, catch up on the ones we miss. Keep getting disrespected 'Don't like it, don't buy it' - get blanked when we ask for information, when we ask a question about why TD did something in a certain way. Did I lose something in the translation or does TD really not give a shit about its fans? Martin, in one of your posts on the forum you mentioned something about forum posters being rude people and I believe the terminology was something akin to 'going to someones house' and being rude (forgive the inaccuracies). The website may be TD's house but for for the fans scattered across the globe, the forum was our home. No one would laugh at ytou for saying you thought Mars Polaris or Zeit was the best album ever. We had our disagreements and our flare-ups like any family, but at least we all knew at the end of the day we would go to our music system, put on a TD cd and cherish the music. I hoped you realised that too. Edgar, Jerome and you consider the forum a failed experiment. A shame. Maybe if Edgar and Jerome would have had the courtesy to answer a few questions, and contributed to the experiment, maybe us lab rats wouldn't have ruined the experiment for you and for us all. I will continue to support TD and purchase and listen their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. But your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth. Regards, Jonathan/jonnyboy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37468 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB 37472 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37474 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37477 Re: TD forum Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 3 KB 37488 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 8 KB 37490 Re: TD forum Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37497 Re: TD forum Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 12/6/2002 7 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum Ok, I wrote such a long post that I missed Martins new post. Thanks for the 'dampner' and god bless you Heiko Heerssen. I still think I have made a few good points, though and I am curious as to the response (if any) it will get from TDI and whoever else. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Stephen Manship' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 1:13 pm Subject: Re: TD forum Hi Martin (and all), It's my first post on this group, but I have been reading for a year or two. I share your frustration, and was getting a lot out of the forum. I am wondering though who caused the failure of the forum. Reading through the posts, there were many that were negative, but many more that were positive. Yes, some became personal, and others were inaccurate, but surely it is Admin's job to weed the chaff from the wheat? It is not being a schoolteacher; it is being a forum administrator. When joining, there were no end of guide-lines and rules, and warnings of exclusion. Were any individuals sent warnings? Why were the offenders not barred? With a band that has been going for 35 years, it is inevitable that there will be a massive range of fans, especially for a band which has changed its colours so many times, and it will be inevitable that some banter (I prefer this word to 'bickering') will occur. I still maintain (further to a post I made on the forum) that a lot of what was said should have been read in good humour. I simply cannot understand how bad tempers can prevail in the context of Tangerine Dream. However, I acknowledge that any forum will attract some people who cannot restrain their vindictive personalities, and I agree that there were instances where the line was crossed from amusing banter to insulting behaviour (both against the band and other members). It just seems a huge shame that they have been allowed to deprive the others of what was turning into a very entertaining and informative forum. Kind regards to all, Stephen Manship (AKA billythefish / mudspanker... don't ask) PS. Is Darth Vader (latest guest book entry) Edgar? > *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only > meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be closed in the > first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom. > > Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did not > want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration. > > Peace and love. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37473 Re: TD forum TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 12/6/2002 2 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song) Well to further feed this topic - the other night I was watching '24' (a fairly intriguing US TV show) and at one point it struck me that if there was ever a biopic of TD Keifer Sutherland could play the early-mid version of EF, not sure if his dad, Donald, would be right for the present-future EF though. - DanD --- coldwatercanyon wrote: > I don't think Edgar looks similar to Nick Nolte or > Peter Gulch. > I will have to imagine how Edgar without moustache > really looks. And Peter Gulch has such a different > 'aura' from Edgar, judging from the photo. > > Jeffrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection > (was Re: Edgar's song) > Date: Fri Dec 06 05:43:14 HKT 2002 > > On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:17:41 +0000 Marion Horrod > > writes: > > >Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte > Edgar's > >starting to look? > > Yeah. Your point? For another chuckle along > the same > lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm > Hee hee. > > Stephe - - - - - - - - - > - - - - > Part of my search in religion has been to find God > buried under a heap of > bigotry and hate like a diamond in a dung heap. -- > Jim Costich, 1/19/2002 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- > This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply > Now to be our members. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum About that forum thing, to me, everyone takes care of their own business and it's not up to the band to manage fan's comments and reactions. I mean, if I had my web site with a guest book updated daily with vindicative posts of any kind, my reaction would be very simple. You know, I believe in non violence, but if you piss me off, you get kicked off. That's all. It's very easy to filter posts and adresses, and on TD's website, all you have to do is to drop user accounts... They could very well do that and we wouldn't even know it. I guess somehow, not doing so is like saying ok, we know some of our fans still can't stand the so called new direction of the band (because vindicative posts usually deal with that issue) but we don't want to have to censor them so we just stop the whole forum. they already did that once, and still, it seems some people just never learn... Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > >I will continue to support TD and purchase and listen >their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. But >your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth. > >Regards, >Jonathan/jonnyboy > Dear Jonathan and list, I respect and understand your opinion.But then this leads me to believe that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place for a forum as you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by the band to present itself and its works to the public. A forum could contribute to this site as an information-service, if the people contributing would really try to use it for exchanging information. In our case, a majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. It was more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their disappointment. Please ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to TD, how would you react to the picture of the band that was created by the contributors to the forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask yourself whether you´d like this image of you to be projected unto the public on your own site. Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the outside world, our business partners, and the uninformed - after all, TDI is a business. And I think you should do me justice here that there indeed were a lot of postings to the forum that would counteract to this purpose. And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself in Edgar´s shoes again and try to see a majority of the postings to the forum from that viewpoint. I think you would be highly personally offended by most of them - a majority of the people claiming to do anything you do better than you do and complaining about everything and anything. I, for my part, even felt personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I don´t even play in the band. I just work for them. Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of speech is fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one should not libel a person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was part of the official TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum as you imply. I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join together and create your own fan forum, where you can exchange and say whatever you want. We will not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not care about the contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors did not even respect the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a forum can haveno place there. Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands? I hope that this time I managed to get my point accross without offending anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to offend you guys - really - you know that I always try to keep good relations with all of you (how many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . But re. the forum enough is enough and my patience was really tested sufficiently in the past few weeks. As I said, we have nothing against any one of you taking initiative to create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we will leave it alone - you have the freedom to voice your opinions and create the forum for doing so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is closed and unfortunately all of the reactions towards the closing of the forum , both the positive (there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, who were very unhappy with the contents of the forum) and the negative are confirming this point. This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As I said, I hope I haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be counterproductive to my point. > Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37474 Re: TD forum Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/6/2002 6 KB 37477 Re: TD forum Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/6/2002 3 KB 37488 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Fri 12/6/2002 8 KB 37490 Re: TD forum Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Fri 12/6/2002 4 KB 37497 Re: TD forum Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 12/6/2002 7 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum > > >PS. Is Darth Vader (latest guest book entry) Edgar? > No... it´s Me (heavy breathing, deep voice) ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum Fair enough. Best regards, jonnyboy. --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > > >I will continue to support TD and purchase and > listen > >their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. > But > >your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth. > > > >Regards, > >Jonathan/jonnyboy > > > Dear Jonathan and list, > > I respect and understand your opinion.But then this > leads me to believe > that maybe the official TD-page might not be the > right place for a forum as > you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by > the band to present > itself and its works to the public. A forum could > contribute to this site > as an information-service, if the people > contributing would really try to > use it for exchanging information. In our case, a > majority of the posts > were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I > dislike that'. It was > more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their > disappointment. Please > ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to > TD, how would you react > to the picture of the band that was created by the > contributors to the > forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask > yourself whether you´d > like this image of you to be projected unto the > public on your own site. > > Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the > outside world, our > business partners, and the uninformed - after all, > TDI is a business. And I > think you should do me justice here that there > indeed were a lot of > postings to the forum that would counteract to this > purpose. > > And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself > in Edgar´s shoes again > and try to see a majority of the postings to the > forum from that viewpoint. > I think you would be highly personally offended by > most of them - a > majority of the people claiming to do anything you > do better than you do > and complaining about everything and anything. I, > for my part, even felt > personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I > don´t even play in the > band. I just work for them. > > Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: > Freedom of speech is > fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that > one should not libel a > person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was > part of the official > TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum > as you imply. > > I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join > together and create your > own fan forum, where you can exchange and say > whatever you want. We will > not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not > care about the > contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors > did not even respect > the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a > forum can haveno place there. > > Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public > forum that is neither > endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not > care about into your hands? > > I hope that this time I managed to get my point > accross without offending > anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to > offend you guys - really > - you know that I always try to keep good relations > with all of you (how > many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine > Tree go by?) . But re. > the forum enough is enough and my patience was > really tested sufficiently > in the past few weeks. > > As I said, we have nothing against any one of you > taking initiative to > create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we > will leave it alone - > you have the freedom to voice your opinions and > create the forum for doing > so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is > closed and unfortunately > all of the reactions towards the closing of the > forum , both the positive > (there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, > who were very unhappy > with the contents of the forum) and the negative are > confirming this point. > > This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As > I said, I hope I > haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be > counterproductive to my point. > > > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar's song On Thursday 05 December 2002 8:17 pm, Marion Horrod wrote: > Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's starting > to look? Yes, it is uncanny. It was my girlfriend's first reaction on seeing Edgar. -- Dennis From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: The Gulch/Froese connection I said: >Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's >starting to look? And Stephe said 'Yeah. Your point?' None, merely an observation. I suppose for some women it makes him more fanciable, but I never went much for NN. Then Stephe said 'For another chuckle along the same lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm Hee hee.' Can't see it myself, but then Steven's an eccentric artist and I'm just me! LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum On Friday 06 December 2002 2:04 pm, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of > speech is fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one > should not libel a person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was > part of the official TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public > forum as you imply. Well, there you are - unfortunately, you will never succeed in making clear to people that what you say and the way in which you say it are two different things sometimes. The right of freedom of speech (i.e., to communicate your opinions freely in an open forum) will always be used by a small number of individuals as a justification for rude, personal, puerile and hurting tirades. This is why freedom of speech is such a complicated thing to implement. I don't blame anyone for regarding the forum as a failed experiment. In fact, I never looked at it because I doubted all along that it would turn into anything but the thing it did turn into. Staying tucked away in this discussion group with Martin as the middle man, I suspect, may even *reduce* the likelihood of abuse compared to a forum on the band's own web site. -- Dennis From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: [tadream] TD forum Martin tries to paint this as a black-and-white situation. Anyone who confronts TD for their mislabeling of concerts and recordings and outright fraud in several cases is apparently a juvenile. And anyone who questions TD's refusal to release concerts is excommunicated from the TD church, considered to not be a 'true believer' (diehard fan that will buy any rerelease put in front of him). I knew this forum was going to fail because TD is not willing to accept the truth with the praise. Finally, I am insulted when you say that 90% of what we have stated is misinformation. Actually, much of the information TD puts out is misinformation. Albums are routinely mislabeled. So when you have a new TD fan who comes in and starts talking about an album, those of us who know the facts have to come in and 'clean up the mess'. TD plays the mysterious game and thinks it contributes to their music. I do not. I can know all the details and still gain the same enjoyment from the material. I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both albums and concerts. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:45 pm Subject: [tadream] TD forum >Martin posted: > >Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither >endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands? Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings, but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy. The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a high profile so the whole forum dried up. If there is an earnest desire for discussions about concerts where people can get the 'dirt' on particular shows, we can try to resurrect my forum. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:49 pm Subject: TD Forum > > Martin K said: > > Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of > > speech is fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one > > should not libel a person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was > > part of the official TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public > > forum as you imply. > >Dennis Nigbur said: >Well, there you are - unfortunately, you will never succeed in making >clear to people that what you say and the way in which you say it are >two different things sometimes. The right of freedom of speech (i.e., >to communicate your opinions freely in an open forum) will always be >used by a small number of individuals as a justification for rude, >personal, puerile and hurting tirades. This is why freedom of speech >is such a complicated thing to implement. I can't argue here. I think there are people on the TD Forum who did need their wings clipped. It is one thing to say 'I am not a huge fan of TD's current direction--I wish they would look into virtual analog/analog modeling and creating new sounds' and a totally different thing to be insulting. I would not tolerate insulting people (and I know I have been insulting before) sticking around on my forum for very long. >Dennis Nigbur said: >I don't blame anyone for regarding the forum as a failed experiment. >In fact, I never looked at it because I doubted all along that it >would turn into anything but the thing it did turn into. Did you look at the forum? This was the first source of information from people receiving the Melrose boxed set and info about the Astoria gig. The responses to both were definitely mixed, some harsh comments, some positive comments. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37523 Re: TD Forum Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37529 Re: TD Forum Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37599 Re: TD Forum Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/11/2002 5 KB 37532 Re: TD Forum PERGAMON pergamondk Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37534 Re: TD Forum Admin dale1kay Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37537 Re: classic tree Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37538 Re: classic tree Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37541 Re: classic tree Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37583 Re: classic tree Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB From: Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:31 pm Subject: well, I THINK I am back..... Lets try this again, I believe I have FINALLY fixed what has been happening to my e-mails. And I even tested it. So if there were any e-mails sent directly to me that I need to respond to, please re-send them at this time. Doug, received the package and cannot wait to dig in and listen to them. Think I may just offer the originals on list when I can, if that is OK with you??? It is good to be back....I think. Neal From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum What a pity that this had to come to past. Hopefully TDI Music will still answer questions and post current news concerning TD. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote: >It's still there, for what it's worth. >I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf >ears/eyes. > >http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum > >Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs >and maybe we'll get some more chat here?! Dear Jonathan & List, the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly. What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90% deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need. ... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do. Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be removed ASAP. And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and childish remarks about their person ... ;-) How about opening your own forum? the sites: -www.tdsucks.com -www.IhateTD.com and -www.edgarisaw...ker.com are still free. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum The shifting of sand for the gems effect? I did too. Just overlook the stupid stuff. I did find some of the posts informative. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:55 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum > I just agree that I also skipped over many of the foolish threads in the > forum, but there was usually something worthwhile buried in the > conversation. I thought the reason for the registration was so that admin > could easily block the participation of the offending parties (perhaps not). > For better or worse, probably did increase web-traffic, but they may not be > a good thing if visitors see negative information. I may be rambing a bit, > but I just woke up. > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...] > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:46 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > > > > > > > > > However, I do not agree with some of the comments > > >of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the > > majority of so-called > > >TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry > > >because it is complete b*llshit. > > > > *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only > > meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be > > closed in the > > first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom. > > > > Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did not > > want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration. > > > > Peace and love. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martin Kasprzak > > TDI- Music- Support. > > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > > > Visit our Website at: > > > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum It's not like I can't see his point. That is why I haven't told him that I am past 4th grade. I saw one of his other post where he(Martin) said he might have gone a bit over the edge with those comments. Jan, you are right... He might need a bit of the warm fuzzy. I am just sad to see another good idea turned into something other than intended. But such is the world. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > WOOOOOOWW..........I think Martin here, is in dire need of a hug and some > good vibes.................... > > I can't say I disagree with you Martin, but it came out very > hard............. > > Regards > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' > To: > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > > > At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote: > >It's still there, for what it's worth. > >I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf > >ears/eyes. > > > >http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum > > > >Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs > >and maybe we'll get some more chat here?! > > Dear Jonathan & List, > > the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give > the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people > would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's > guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly. > > What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the > guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have > not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able > to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90% > deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous > comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need. > > ... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all > the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do. > > Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and > any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the > removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be > removed ASAP. > > And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I > deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract > against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and > childish remarks about their person ... ;-) > > How about opening your own forum? > the sites: > -www.tdsucks.com > -www.IhateTD.com > and > -www.edgarisaw...ker.com > are still free. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum A side note. In some of the other lists (EM) there was a few post referring to removal of some negative posts. The majority of the comments posted in that thread was why and free speech etc. I pretty much feel like you that it's the admin's job to keep what they feel are important (censor as needed). The other comments can be directed in email or do your own forum and post like you feel. (Similar to start your own newspaper if you don't like what you read).(I a comment I added to those threads in other lists.) If I had to take sides, I would side with Martin. I would not go along with all of his comments as a whole. He did post a note saying he might had over stated it a bit. The site is TD's. It there to promote TD. It also served to give us a bit more information about TD. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Stephen Manship' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: TD forum > Hi Martin (and all), > > It's my first post on this group, but I have been reading for a year > or two. > > I share your frustration, and was getting a lot out of the forum. I > am wondering though who caused the failure of the forum. Reading > through the posts, there were many that were negative, but many more > that were positive. Yes, some became personal, and others were > inaccurate, but surely it is Admin's job to weed the chaff from the > wheat? It is not being a schoolteacher; it is being a forum > administrator. > > When joining, there were no end of guide-lines and rules, and > warnings of exclusion. Were any individuals sent warnings? Why were > the offenders not barred? > > With a band that has been going for 35 years, it is inevitable that > there will be a massive range of fans, especially for a band which > has changed its colours so many times, and it will be inevitable that > some banter (I prefer this word to 'bickering') will occur. I still > maintain (further to a post I made on the forum) that a lot of what > was said should have been read in good humour. I simply cannot > understand how bad tempers can prevail in the context of Tangerine > Dream. > > However, I acknowledge that any forum will attract some people who > cannot restrain their vindictive personalities, and I agree that > there were instances where the line was crossed from amusing banter > to insulting behaviour (both against the band and other members). It > just seems a huge shame that they have been allowed to deprive the > others of what was turning into a very entertaining and informative > forum. > > Kind regards to all, > > Stephen Manship (AKA billythefish / mudspanker... don't ask) > > PS. Is Darth Vader (latest guest book entry) Edgar? > > > > *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually > only > > meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be > closed in the > > first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom. > > > > Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I > did not > > want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep > frustration. > > > > Peace and love. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martin Kasprzak > > TDI- Music- Support. > > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > > > Visit our Website at: > > > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum Morgan said : >I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both > albums and concerts What about the other 158 hours? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: [tadream] TD forum > Martin tries to paint this as a black-and-white situation. > > Anyone who confronts TD for their mislabeling of concerts and recordings > and outright fraud in several cases is apparently a juvenile. > > And anyone who questions TD's refusal to release concerts is excommunicated > from the TD church, considered to not be a 'true believer' (diehard fan > that will buy any rerelease put in front of him). > > I knew this forum was going to fail because TD is not willing to accept the > truth with the praise. > > Finally, I am insulted when you say that 90% of what we have stated is > misinformation. Actually, much of the information TD puts out is > misinformation. Albums are routinely mislabeled. So when you have a new TD > fan who comes in and starts talking about an album, those of us who know > the facts have to come in and 'clean up the mess'. TD plays the mysterious > game and thinks it contributes to their music. I do not. I can know all the > details and still gain the same enjoyment from the material. > > I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both > albums and concerts. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum ...you need these for Klaus Schulze... ;-) a. Administrator wrote: > Morgan said : > >>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both >>albums and concerts >> > > What about the other 158 hours? > > ;-) > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Morgan Feldon' > To: > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] TD forum > > > >>Martin tries to paint this as a black-and-white situation. >> >>Anyone who confronts TD for their mislabeling of concerts and recordings >>and outright fraud in several cases is apparently a juvenile. >> >>And anyone who questions TD's refusal to release concerts is >> > excommunicated > >>from the TD church, considered to not be a 'true believer' (diehard fan >>that will buy any rerelease put in front of him). >> >>I knew this forum was going to fail because TD is not willing to accept >> > the > >>truth with the praise. >> >>Finally, I am insulted when you say that 90% of what we have stated is >>misinformation. Actually, much of the information TD puts out is >>misinformation. Albums are routinely mislabeled. So when you have a new TD >>fan who comes in and starts talking about an album, those of us who know >>the facts have to come in and 'clean up the mess'. TD plays the mysterious >>game and thinks it contributes to their music. I do not. I can know all >> > the > >>details and still gain the same enjoyment from the material. >> >>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both >>albums and concerts. >> >>-Morgan >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Stephen Manship' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:16 pm Subject: Re: TD forum BTF:- See comments below:- Dear Jonathan and list, > > I respect and understand your opinion.But then this leads me to believe that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place for a forum as you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by the band to present itself and its works to the public. A forum could contribute to this site as an information-service, if the people contributing would really try to use it for exchanging information. In our case, a majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. It was more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their disappointment. Please ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to TD, how would you react to the picture of the band that was created by the contributors to the forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask yourself whether you´d like this image of you to be projected unto the public on your own site. BTF:- This is an excellent point (sorry if this sounds patronising). The main site gets FAR more visitors than this site. What is said there has major ramifications. The classic was when loig7 asked: 'hi, if I had to buy one -or two- TD albums, which one(s) would you guys recommend ? a film soundtrack, maybe ? Merci. ' The immediate response was a complete deluge of 'my favourite is...' which we had only just had on another topic which he had no doubt already read. I felt very sorry for the guy and tried to post what I thought would be more academic: i.e. an album that made the band; a typical soundtrack; an album that took them to where they are now... Some people were not aware of what was asked, who could have been reading, who were watching, and just how important that site was. (In fact the best answer was to try the juke box at the top of the page!) Perhaps there should be a continuous poll of favourite albums on the site (no repeat votes allowed...) > > Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the outside world, our > business partners, and the uninformed - after all, TDI is a business. And I > think you should do me justice here that there indeed were a lot of > postings to the forum that would counteract to this purpose. > And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself in Edgar´s shoes again > and try to see a majority of the postings to the forum from that viewpoint. > I think you would be highly personally offended by most of them - a > majority of the people claiming to do anything you do better than you do > and complaining about everything and anything. I, for my part, even felt > personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I don´t even play in the > band. I just work for them. BTF:- I only was a member of the forum for the last couple of months, so maybe I didn't get to know the main contributors to the extent that admin, Martin and the Froeses did... but I still stress that I read 'the majority' of what was written in good humour... I cannot believe that a lot of what was written was not 'tongue-in-cheek'. If I am wrong, then it is really gutting to think that the band and their employees would be hurt, and it only goes to re-inforce my earlier point that some people should have been excluded, or at the very least publicly corrected (as happened with the T-shirt pricing atrocity - I think they're great value, as are the CDs). > Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of speech is > fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one should not libel a > person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was part of the official > TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum as you imply. > I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join together and create your > own fan forum, where you can exchange and say whatever you want. We will > not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not care about the > contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors did not even respect > the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a forum can haveno place there. > > Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither > endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands? BTF:- It is a great shame that this can't happen on the official site, as it will be read by only a fraction of the people. I will really miss hearing about the Tangram shaped wedding cake (who was that...???) or the way people discovered the band / and I was so close to having Inferno (and the like) being explained to me. However, I reluctantly admit that unless there is a full-time moderator who will ruthlessly police the posts (which appears to be against the band's philosophy), then the forum will not be appropriate to the official site. > > I hope that this time I managed to get my point accross without offending > anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to offend you guys - really > - you know that I always try to keep good relations with all of you (how > many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . But re. > the forum enough is enough and my patience was really tested sufficiently > in the past few weeks. > > As I said, we have nothing against any one of you taking initiative to > create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we will leave it alone - > you have the freedom to voice your opinions and create the forum for doing > so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is closed and unfortunately > all of the reactions towards the closing of the forum , both the positive > (there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, who were very unhappy > with the contents of the forum) and the negative are confirming this point. > > This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As I said, I hope I > haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be counterproductive to my point. BTF:- Certainly not Darth! > > > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song) coldwatercanyon wrote: > > I will have to imagine how Edgar without moustache really looks. You don't need to imagine. You only need to watch the 'Edgar's Song' video. Antonio Nunes np: Under the Dome - Bellerophon From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:32 pm Subject: Re: TD forum So, Mister Kasprzak...we meet again... (I actually spoke to Martin on the phone earlier this week, regarding my order for the Melrose Years - not knowing that the forum link was about to be yanked offline) I'm not sure what to make of this whole situation. First of all, I'd like to know exactly what the straw was that broke the forum's back. Reading through the last few topics, I don't see anything advocating violence against the band, or even slandering them. There were, however, some negative words about The Melrose Years set. So was that it? I don't understand why TD can't see fan criticism as a benefit, rather than the whinings of little children. I said it before, I'll say it again now. Successful businesses listen to their customers. Complaints identify ways in which you can improve; build customer loyalty; generate more sales. Martin, you say: 'In our case, a majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. Well...perhaps that's a sign that there are some problems that needs to be addressed? Again...it's not like there's a pack of marauders loose in the TDI camp, trying to bring it down...these are the voices of your most loyal fans, and if you won't listen to them, what kind of message does *that* send to newbies? And I'm not talking about fans who complain about TD's musical direction. I refer to complaints about the way in which the band's music is released and marketed. TDI's strategy seems to be to 'front load' sales of new releases...get a few hundred copies out the door in the first week or so. No one is allowed to hear them (no sound samples). No one can tell if they're even what they purport to be. All we get are a few track titles, and the words 'Tangerine' and 'Dream' on the cover. Now, I understand that in the age of MP3s, a band has to be creative to sell product. But this is a strategy that will fail in the long term, because the more fans that feel down, the fewer who will buy future releases. Look, I download a lot of music these days, but I have continued to support TDI when it released a good product - like Antique Dreams, DM3, Mars Polaris. That's all you have to do. I'm sad to have to say these things. TD built a lot of loyalty with me, thanks to the original Quinoa CD, and the Easter Island contest. Those were wonderful gestures which have not been forgotten. Unfortunately, keeping a good relationship going involves ongoing effort. If I may use a silly metaphor, it's about doing housework; and opening doors for your partner, not just buying them a fancy necklace once in a while. Anyway, TDI's position regarding criticism has been consistent, so I don't expect my words to change anything. And, I'm sorry is I have indeed offended the TDI crew with my rantings. In the end, I'm just trying to help you guys, believe it or not. From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 7:42 pm Subject: Forum Closed I will always love TD,theres nothing that can ever take that away,first of all TD shut the Guestbook,that in my mind was petty,you gave the fans a forum to speak their mind,now youve closed it. Tangerine Dream,i have been an ardent fan of yours since 1979,but the way you are conducting things at the moment is diabolical,i have never been a critic of TD,but if you cant stand critics shut the whole site down,there are people out there who spend huge amounts gathering TD material,and dont give me that(if you dont like it dont buy it crap)we TDfans are not brain dead un-intelligent clowns as no doubt you think we are,i suggest you get off your high horse and open up to the fans,youve lost thousands over the years,and the way you are going you will not have any left.TD are without my fav band of all time,but manners cost nothing,LIFE CAN go on. Best regards to all fellow TD fans. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37499 Re: Forum Closed Stephen Manship billythefish01 Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37500 Re: the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB 37501 Re: the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:09 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #298 [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #298 December 5, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'And the Stars Go With You' reissued on the New World Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Synergy Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra (Passport Records) Redshift Siren part 4 Siren (Distant Sun) Redshift Siren part 5 Siren (Distant Sun) Andy Pickford and Ramayana part 1 Ramayana (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle Under the Dome Keto-Eno Tautomerism Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Under the Dome Nightfall Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Mike Andrews Tides of Time (Intro) Time & Science (Neu Harmony) Mike Andrews Tides of Time (part 1) Time & Science (Neu Harmony) Steve Roach All Is Now part 1 All Is Now (Timeroom Editions) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Gentle, The Night And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Jonn Serrie Fantasy Passages And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Jonn Serrie And the Stars Go With And the Stars Go With You (New You World Music) Jonn Serrie And With You 2 And the Stars Go With You (New (bonus track) World Music) Jonn Serrie The Far River And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Jonn Serrie Stratos And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom Editions) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Planetary Chronicles Volume 1' on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Sequencer' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > >I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both > > albums and concerts > >What about the other 158 hours? > >;-) > >dale Man, just 10 hours? I can listen that in one day if I really put some effort into it... (& weekend assumed) Usually it's around 3-4 hours though. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum >I don't understand why TD can't see fan criticism as a benefit, rather >than the whinings of little children. I said it before, I'll say it >again now. Successful businesses listen to their customers. >Complaints identify ways in which you can improve; build customer >loyalty; generate more sales. Martin, you say: 'In our case, a >majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and >'I dislike that'. Well...perhaps that's a sign that there are some >problems that needs to be addressed? Again...it's not like there's a >pack of marauders loose in the TDI camp, trying to bring it >down...these are the voices of your most loyal fans, and if you won't >listen to them, what kind of message does *that* send to newbies? That TD is a band that does music as they themselves wish - not as the market (ie the current fans) wishes. Come on, TD's 90s output attracts different sort of people than the 70s material; shouldn't the 00s (or whatever they're called) be an equal transistion? --Side note: Was anyone demanding more live releases in the 80s, when classic 70s shows weren't avaivable even as bootlegs? >And I'm not talking about fans who complain about TD's musical >direction. I refer to complaints about the way in which the band's >music is released and marketed. TDI's strategy seems to be to 'front >load' sales of new releases...get a few hundred copies out the door in >the first week or so. No one is allowed to hear them (no sound >samples). No one can tell if they're even what they purport to be. >All we get are a few track titles, and the words 'Tangerine' and >'Dream' on the cover. Now, I understand that in the age of MP3s, a >band has to be creative to sell product. But this is a strategy that >will fail in the long term, because the more fans that feel down, the >fewer who will buy future releases. Look, I download a lot of music >these days, but I have continued to support TDI when it released a >good product - like Antique Dreams, DM3, Mars Polaris. That's all you >have to do. I'm not going to buy a 30 € pig in a poke, so I'm just going to wait until the promised sound samples will be there, before I decide whether I do or do not want the Melrose Years package. Concerning lone albums... it's not that crucial. I'm not going to cry for sound samples and walk by in agony if I'd see, let's say Near Dark for sale somewhere. Not because it's rare (would do the same for Turn of the Tides even though I have little idea what's it like) but because it's there and I don't have it. Why should it be different for the new albums? (well, this might also be because about every TD album, besides perhaps Phaedra and Rubycon, is rare to come by here in Finland...) Oh, and about the shutdown thingy; I've got no trauma. Except perhaps about the Great Flood that seems to have struck here afterwards... John Vertical (aka Remote) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum It's interesting how the medium can affect the message. For example, due to the effect of immediacy, people may say different things or act differently in an IRC chat as opposed to on a mailing list. Ironically, having a cumbersome registration procedure actually helps weed out the 'trollers'. The ratio of civility in a community to the willingness of members to spend effort to join it is parabolic. Even the function and structure of the medium itself can affect list behavior. In past discussions here, we've compared the dynamics of multiple-forum-style communities vs. e-mail-only communities. Across the board (pun intended), regardless of the medium, the best online communities police themselves - but a team of moderators helps. In fact, I'd like to ask at this time if anyone here would like to help with the tadream list to please contact me offlist. (joe@t...) Actually, we are lucky to be a pretty civil, mature and relatively low-maintenance community. It is due to the medium, the natural lifecycle (see http://tadream.net/netiquet.htm#life), the character of the members, personal accountability, plus our relative obscurity. Simply put, tadream.com is way more visible than we are; the more hits, the more kooks. ;-) Also, TD's music spreads such a wide swath across the musical spectrum, that it invites equally widely-differing opinions to the same table. I think we have a proportionately larger number of veteran die-hards here than in other mediums. Vets have been down these old vitriolic discussion threads enough times that they are less likely to occur today. Likewise, I think we have on this list, a greater proportion of TD fans that enjoy that 'wider swath' - they are more tolerant of the various TDstyles due to their experience. How many threads have we had where people 'discover' TD music that they didn't like before? haha - Not that you asked. ;-) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] .. > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum ... > this is what happened again. However, I do not agree with some > of the comments > of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the majority > of so-called > TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry > because it is complete b*llshit. > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum yes I see ... ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > > ...you need these for Klaus Schulze... ;-) > > a. > > Administrator wrote: > > > Morgan said : > > > >>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both > >>albums and concerts > >> > > > > What about the other 158 hours? > > > > ;-) > > > > dale From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum Martin, Has the group thought about setting up a separate site where the fans Can vent their frustrations? This is just an idea that popped into My head...... Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:05 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum > >I will continue to support TD and purchase and listen >their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. But >your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth. > >Regards, >Jonathan/jonnyboy > Dear Jonathan and list, I respect and understand your opinion.But then this leads me to believe that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place for a forum as you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by the band to present itself and its works to the public. A forum could contribute to this site as an information-service, if the people contributing would really try to use it for exchanging information. In our case, a majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. It was more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their disappointment. Please ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to TD, how would you react to the picture of the band that was created by the contributors to the forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask yourself whether you´d like this image of you to be projected unto the public on your own site. Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the outside world, our business partners, and the uninformed - after all, TDI is a business. And I think you should do me justice here that there indeed were a lot of postings to the forum that would counteract to this purpose. And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself in Edgar´s shoes again and try to see a majority of the postings to the forum from that viewpoint. I think you would be highly personally offended by most of them - a majority of the people claiming to do anything you do better than you do and complaining about everything and anything. I, for my part, even felt personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I don´t even play in the band. I just work for them. Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of speech is fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one should not libel a person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was part of the official TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum as you imply. I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join together and create your own fan forum, where you can exchange and say whatever you want. We will not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not care about the contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors did not even respect the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a forum can haveno place there. Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands? I hope that this time I managed to get my point accross without offending anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to offend you guys - really - you know that I always try to keep good relations with all of you (how many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . But re. the forum enough is enough and my patience was really tested sufficiently in the past few weeks. As I said, we have nothing against any one of you taking initiative to create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we will leave it alone - you have the freedom to voice your opinions and create the forum for doing so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is closed and unfortunately all of the reactions towards the closing of the forum , both the positive (there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, who were very unhappy with the contents of the forum) and the negative are confirming this point. This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As I said, I hope I haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be counterproductive to my point. > Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: tom george Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:37 am Subject: The Melrose Years I, too got my digipack today. signed copy number 297/1000. The artwork and layout is beautiful. I have had one complete spin thru each disc and first impressions are very good. The bonus tracks are also nice. I will make a new song old song comparison sometime in the near future. $30 plus $9 shipping. A great deal I'd say. Thanks TDI, Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 3:07 am Subject: Re: Forum Closed Just look a this (below): .... and many more... TD:- why are you taking it so hard?????? others:- Why aren't the abusive guys answering????? You have a lot to answer for... (you should know who you are by now)... Do you really mean what you say? Please tell us it was in jest... -- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > I will always love TD,theres nothing that can ever take that > away,first of all TD shut the Guestbook,that in my mind was petty,you > gave the fans a forum to speak their mind,now youve closed it. > Tangerine Dream,i have been an ardent fan of yours since 1979,but the > way you are conducting things at the moment is diabolical,i have > never been a critic of TD,but if you cant stand critics shut the > whole site down,there are people out there who spend huge amounts > gathering TD material,and dont give me that(if you dont like it dont > buy it crap)we TDfans are not brain dead un-intelligent clowns as no > doubt you think we are,i suggest you get off your high horse and open > up to the fans,youve lost thousands over the years,and the way you > are going you will not have any left.TD are without my fav band of > all time,but manners cost nothing,LIFE CAN go on. > Best regards to all fellow TD fans. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37500 Re: the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB 37501 Re: the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 3:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 I got my TD Melrose pack thing today. I just finished listening to Optical Race. It's ace! I couldn't hear any sound probs. Sounds bloody good to me. Iris is a goddess and I'll make her breakfast anytime while she plays her bongos. Cheers! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37501 Re: the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 4:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3 Ok, so I finished listening to Lily On The Beach. Not quite sure what Mr Hornby (like your trains, sir) did on that one. BUT a good album. I haven't given it a really good listen in quite a while but it's really aged well. The re-recording is lovely. Iris bongos on 29 Palms are sublime. I shall make her dinner while she sits out on the deck watching the long island sunset, playing the bongos, tinkling her tinkly percussion thing and then we'll play Who Wants To Be A Millionaire (home edition). Oh, don't look at me like that. It's been a long week. The resequencing of LOTB is also very beneficial. Just on track 3 of Melrose now... I feel rather silly about being all doomy and gloomy about getting this set... My ears love it. Cheers! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 5:03 am Subject: melrose desert train is still agh! i had to push on to the next track at the 3minute mark... the rest is lovely oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the box too - grr! ... Good bongos by the one and only simplydevineohwhenwillshebeminewellprobablynevercosIsmelllikebiscuits Iris. I think my wife may thump me... It's normally quiet on the weekend here isn't it? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37504 Re: melrose Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB 37505 Re: melrose René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37506 Re: melrose Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37544 Re: melrose Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB 37512 Re: melrose Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37508 Re: melrose Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37509 Re: melrose Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB 37510 Re: melrose John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB 37564 2001 from Hyp Re: [tadream] melrose Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 9:11 am Subject: forum closed My 2 cents worth:- 1 May be a forum needs a moderator outside of TDI who is a dedicated fan like Morgan or Heiko but the forum to be on the TDI site. Then the 'fan' can rigorously police the issues. 2 Try something like the Kiss on line site were questions are submitted and answers given by Paul Stanley from time to time. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 11:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose Jonathan Holt wrote: > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the > box too - grr! Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem? Apart from that, I'm very happy with this set. Since I've received it, I have played each disc at least 3 or 4 times. Does anyone know what is the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on the front cover? Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-) Antonio Nunes np: Melrose Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37505 Re: melrose René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37506 Re: melrose Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB 37544 Re: melrose Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB 37512 Re: melrose Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB From: René Brenner Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:52:51 +0000, Antonio Nunes wrote: > > Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the > > box too - grr! > > Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again > at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem? Same problem here. My cd player actually does not skip but you can hear clearly 'scratches' in those parts. Sounds like a manufacturing-defective. René From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose At 11:52 7-12-02 +0000, you wrote: >Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the > > box too - grr! > >Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again >at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem? My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times. But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync with the music. And is that a stylistic Santa+reindeer on top of the front cover? I must say that I'm impressed by the sound quality of Melrose. The music all comes very much alive. Good and bright and reveals a lot of details that I have never heard before. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 NL-8203 AD Lelystad Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37544 Re: melrose Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Alan Miller' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum .......coming out of lurk mode to have my 2 cents worth........ Martin, I totally agree with the decision to close down the Forum. To be honest this was always going to be an experiment that was doomed to fail. Outside of the genuine posts (which were getting less in numbers) it gave the self-opinionated, the sycophants and the downright malicious minded people a place to spout out their nonsense. This happened to the Guest Book on the old site and if it is allowed to stay up it will happen to the present one - just look, it has already started. There should be a place where TD fans and supporters can (in the most part) debate the band and the music that they appreciate - that place for me is here and my respect and grateful thanks go out to Joe for this. Over the years this list has largely been self regulated in that posts that have offended have met with rebuff, those that have contained misinformation have been corrected and the sycophants have been ignored until they have gone away. Basically this list works and is (IMHO) the perfect platform for the likes of those who only want to share information and experiences that relate to the band and their music. I am positive that there are those among you that have a different view to mine - and that's cool. It is a tough subject to debate as there is no perfect solution. Hold up, I am in danger of being put in the self-opinionated category...back into the shadows I go..crossing off the days to February 15....dream on...... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum this leads me to believe that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place for a forum as you regard it. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37562 Re: TD forum Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > > My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times. > But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync with the > music. Yes, I guess that the word ticking describes it better. Maybe it's intended, as you say. After all they've already added a few beeps on a mix of Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix) from Dream Mixes 1. Listening to those beeps, a friend of mine used to insist that the track was faulty :-) Anyway the ticking on Melrose is part of the audio. I've just extracted the track to my PC using 'Exact Audio Copy'. In the end the program says 'Track quality 100% - No errors occurred' and yet the ticking is present in the resulting WAV file. So, intended or not, the ticking is recorded on the CD. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37509 Re: melrose Falcon ppgwave2000 Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose At 02:41 PM 12/7/2002, you wrote: >I've just extracted >the track to my PC using 'Exact Audio Copy'. In the end the program says >'Track quality 100% - No errors occurred' and yet the ticking is present >in the resulting WAV file. So, intended or not, the ticking is recorded >on the CD. If the track is damaged, it could have also happened on the DAT mastertape. . . Ramon From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose >Does anyone know what is >the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on the front cover? >Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-) This is slightly unrelated, but what about the barcode and the number '2001' on the cover of Hyperborea..? Even stranger. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37564 2001 from Hyp Re: [tadream] melrose Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37598 Re: melrose Martin Mckee atroller2002 Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Edgar's song >John, the file is in 'wmv' (W)indows(M)edia(V)ideo format. >This type, along with 'wma'-files (WindowsMediaAudio), are >ment to be played with the Windows Media Player included >with Windows OS. However, Microsoft has released the player >for Mac's as well: > >http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/mediaplayer/mediaplayer_default.asp > >Rolf OK, thanks! The video is very well done... hilarious. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose Antonio- it skips at those places on my copy too. Coincidence? --- Antonio Nunes wrote: > > Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of > the > > box too - grr! > > Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at > 2:25 - 2:30 and again > at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem? > > Apart from that, I'm very happy with this set. Since > I've received it, I > have played each disc at least 3 or 4 times. Does > anyone know what is > the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on > the front cover? > Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-) > > Antonio Nunes > > np: Melrose > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Gary Jenkins ' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: Melrose years My signed copy arrived today early Christmas present from the wife. I have not played all of it yet but what I have heard sounds great,seems to be a fresher feel all round,excellent production apart from the flore on Cool at Heart with the clicking in a couple of places. I am pleased that The Back of Beyond has been included on Melrose, it is good enough to have been included originally. Overall very happy,also got Ricochet T Shirt I will have to wear it to the Astoria, hoping for indian summer in Feb LOL Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37515 The Melrose Years Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 12/7/2002 2 KB 37519 Re: The Melrose Years Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB From: 'sequentc' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Track Order - Melrose Years 3CD-set re-recordings 2003. I must comment I am well pleased with the new set - price, quality, packaging and quantity of music on the CD's.......very nice! The only down side for me is that packaging does not have index numbers next to the tracks, which can make it difficult if you want to select a specific track! I would be interested to know why the track order has been changed from the original releases. Ray H From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: The Melrose Years Hi, Everyone! For those of you who have received your CDs in the USA... ...how long did it take you to get them? Thanks! ...Utch (who can't wait to hear what he's been reading about!) --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- After twelve years of therapy my psychiatrist said something that brought tears to my eyes. He said, 'No hablo ingles.' --Ronnie Shakes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37519 Re: The Melrose Years Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/7/2002 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:12 pm Subject: SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR PART II? (was melrose) On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:33:22 +0100 Falcon writes: >If the track is damaged, it could have also happened on the DAT >mastertape. . . SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR PART II? Honestly, this outfit ought to get its act together. A real record company wouldn't let stuff like this happen. >Ramon Steven Feldman From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: Alright, enough complaining, time for some praise I received my copy of the Melrose Years late yesterday...and all this griping I've done recently actually had me hesitating to take off the wrap. Isn't that terrible? Well, thankfully that moment of doubt passed, because the 'reworkings' are pretty good, for the most part. Which should encourage me to shut my mouth in the future, when it comes to pre-judging new TD releases before I get to hear them (although I still think TDI should have offered sound samples!). The new additions don't rescue tracks that I didn't like before (although the title track 'Optical Race' is actually *somewhat* listenable now, and Yucatan has been much improved), but they don't ruin my favourite tracks (Mothers of Rain, Mount Shasta, Three Bikes in the Sky). In fact, they make my favourite pieces better. It doesn't sound like the whole thing was re-recorded from scratch (the voices are pretty much all the same, and some tracks haven't been changed much at all)...but the additional parts threaded into the background provide a richer sonic atmosphere, and aren't the Frankstein's monster that many previous revisions have been. Iris' percussion parts work in most cases...although not every piece called out for bongos. It would have been nice to have heard other kinds of acoustic percussion as well, in place of drum machines. Mark Hornby's guitar additions, probably because I'm just not used to them, feel a bit tacked on, and not integral parts of the songs. The whole thing will take some getting used to, but as I said, my overall impression is positive. As for the new tracks...Ruling the Waves prior identity as 'Ivory Town', from the I-Box, has already been discussed here on the list. And this is a real shame, since it certainly deserved to be cut from the album in the first place. I was hoping they'd have included a piece from the 1988 tours...specifically, the part known as 'Coronation'. Pearl River is pretty unremarkable..but for the TD completist, it's a full 6:05 of new material, I guess. The Back of Beyond, I do indeed recognize as being a piece from the 1990 tours...and this one is a very nice addition. I have that 'skipping' sound on Cool at Heart too...and it's clearly part of the recording, although it sure does sound like a skip! Like most TDI releases, I don't care for the cover art (sorry, Edgar). One thing I really liked about the Private Music albums was their well-designed covers. So anyway, I'm glad I picked up a copy...let it not be said that I never have anything to positive to say about TD. This is a decent release, and I'm glad I got a copy. One question...why is J Froese listed as one of the original composers on Optical Race? Is this for Iv...sorry, Ruling the Waves, or was he a ghost writer on the album? And who's Jack Liberty...I haven't heard that name before. And what happened to Hubert Waldner, who originally got a credit for Lily on the Beach? Okay, so that's three questions... From: 'Hilary Wright ' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 7:25 pm Subject: Melrose Years My copy arrived today. I've sampled all three CDs. First, I think the sound quality is superb. Its crystal clear and you can hear new things in the music that weren't apparant before. Second, the packaging is great. Third, the quality of the t-shirt is very good. Fourth, the 'ticking' in 'cool at heart' is intentional I think. In short, I am very pleased with this set and consider the money well spent. I've been following the 'Forum' discussion and have to say that I agree with Martin and the band. Some of the comments posted to the forum were well over the line of politeness and decency and respect for a band that has produced great music for well over 3 decades. That is what makes this forum (Tadream) so democratic and self regulating. As Joe said, the forum is self regulating because the majority of members have taken a concious descision to be members and are long time TD 'fans'. Hilary From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Melrose Years I'm in Ontario, ordered my 11/25, was processed 11/29, shipped 12/02 and arrived 12/05. Good for this time of year! --- Utch Entel wrote: > Hi, Everyone! > > For those of you who have received your CDs in the > USA... ...how long > did it take you to get them? > > Thanks! > > ...Utch (who can't wait to hear what he's been > reading about!) > > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading > --------------- > > After twelve years of therapy my psychiatrist said > something that brought tears to my eyes. He said, > 'No hablo ingles.' --Ronnie Shakes > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 12:35 am Subject: Re: TD forum Sean wrote: 'Successful businesses listen to their customers.' Yes, but they don't issue them with a megaphone and invite them to stand outside the store and broadcast their complaints to potential customers. I think Martin's right, and the TDI site is not the place for a forum, however severely moderated. Far better to 'eavesdrop' by having a presence in places like this. But it does make a good impression (IMO of course) to point people at places where they _can_ get infomation and unmoderated opinion (for example, a link to the webring) making it clear that this is neither controlled nor endorsed by TDI. There are better ways to invite and respond to feedback than wading through a lot of forum entries (especially as a substantial majority of items on any forum seem to boil down to 'I love/hate it' (whatever 'it' may be) without any 'because...', which is where the really useful information is in customer feedback). Also, it seems to me (Martin, correct me if I'm wrong) that TDI are just not staffed at a level where they can respond to the feedback they do get, or to our incessant demands for information, whether they want to or not. Of course for a modest consultancy fee (or even benefits in kind) I could be persuaded to give them some advice on creating systems that would take a lot of the work out of inviting, managing, and responding to, feedback and requests for information . Sean did, however, hit the nail on the head when he said: 'Complaints identify ways in which you can improve; build customer loyalty; generate more sales.......if you won't listen to them, what kind of message does *that* send ...' It seems to me that here is a big part of the problem. People feel (whether justified or not) that they are not being heard. You can build a lot of customer satisfaction by just showing that you're listening. You don't even have to change anything to improve people's perception, although it helps if you explain why you're not going to. People need to feel that their carefully thought out notes on what is wrong, and why, have not just disappeared into a black hole unregarded. LnH (with an extra special hug for Maartin who is obviously feeling beleagured but at least has the good grace to apologise when he goes over the top) Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37521 Re: TD forum Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum Hello all, I have seen alot said on this subject and I have deleted alot of it without reading it. I have to say that both Marion and Martin have brought up some good points. Now it is my turn. I remember seeing the old TD guestbook turn into a conversation place as well as a piss and moan club. And it now seems we have the same thing in the new forum. If people want to carry on conversations take it to personal e-mail or mIRC or even a group like this. Stop wasting the site owners bandwidth and hard drive space. The same goes for the piss and moan club memebers. As an observer of all of this I think we really have some people who need to get a life. Let TD get on with bigger and better things and quit whining and pissing and moaning about the forum. Get on with your lives. My few cents worth, THE HIGHLANDER From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:54 am Subject: Re: TD forum >Marion Horrod said: > >People feel (whether >justified or not) that they are not being heard. You can build a lot of >customer satisfaction by just showing that you're listening. You don't even >have to change anything to improve people's perception, although it helps >if you explain why you're not going to. People need to feel that their >carefully thought out notes on what is wrong, and why, have not just >disappeared into a black hole unregarded. They're listening, they're just not going to change direction in the slightest to meet customer requests. If this were about customer satisfaction, there would be a 30 CD boxed set of unmolested concert tapes. But it's not. It's artists/musicians who have their own tilt on how the world should turn and they make their own decisions in a vacuum. I learned to accept that pretty recently. TD is not going to release these concerts. EVER. So we have to clean up as best we can the better tapes that were made by fans oh-so-many years ago. The more we see fiascos like recycling an i-box (itself a travesty) track on the Melrose box, the more I realize that the well-informed TD fans on this list are not the primary customer of these releases. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:59 am Subject: Re: TD Forum >Robert Grabowsky said: > >I remember seeing the old TD guestbook turn into a conversation place >as well as a piss and moan club. And it now seems we have the same thing in >the new forum. If people want to carry on conversations take it to personal >e-mail or mIRC or even a group like this. Stop wasting the site owners >bandwidth and hard drive space. The same goes for the piss and moan club >memebers. If all it's going to be is *I love TD*, *I love Ground Liftaz* *kiss* *smooch* *lick* then just delete the Forum because that is boring. TD already knows they have a lot of fans. They can look at sales figures and see that. The forum is so people can share/exchange information about the often-mysterious TD. We help people make sense of the labeling and details of TD's releases and talk about what we wish TD would release in the faint hope that they might, in a moment of weakness, do what we beg... A forum, just like this country, is no good without the positives AND the negatives. I include myself in the category of people that you and others on this list have been talking about lately. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37529 Re: TD Forum Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37599 Re: TD Forum Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/11/2002 5 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum Well if you want to beat a dead horse back to life... My hat goes out to you Morgan. I can't believe the punishment you take! ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: [tadream] TD forum >Martin posted: > >Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither >endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands? Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings, but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy. The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a high profile so the whole forum dried up. If there is an earnest desire for discussions about concerts where people can get the 'dirt' on particular shows, we can try to resurrect my forum. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:52 am Subject: I'm back too! Hi guys and gals just a note to you saying i finally got the P4 2.5ghz Pc, however at the cost of my address book contacts-the file saved to CDR was currupted and wouldn't import!! PAulus.d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:36 pm Subject: [tadream] Cool at Heart Hi all, I'm sorry but I'm not convinced that the skipping on this track is just ticking - sounds like a faulty master to me which has been transmitted to all 1000 copies (normal when it's manufactured 'en masse'). All comments about the dead forum aside, in Martin's own words TDI is a business and all businesses I know that produce a faulty product either recall them and/or offer replacements free of charge...(usually on return of the faulty product however). The problem is, nobody is going to want to return their copies because they're all signed by Edgar and Jerome (in fact, is that true, or was it just the first few hundred? I have copy 68/1000) and hand numbered! Maybe there will be another production run of the set in standard packaging for the shops? If not, then I think there is a case for reprinting just disc 3 for those who ask for replacements... Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays properly rather than a limited edition dud...anybody have any suggestions/views? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37527 Re: Cool at Heart Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37530 Re: Cool at Heart Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37528 photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37531 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37533 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37535 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37536 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37539 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37545 Re: photos/purple haze John McIntyre mcinty10 Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart Paul, I am convinced it is the disk skipping - I can see the time-index numbers jump if I play it on my PC or on my cd player! I think mailing of a new Melrose cd would be in order from TDI. I have copy # 122 btw. Does anyone with the new set NOT have the skip/tick on Cool At Heart? Martin K - any comments? Regards, jonnyboy. --- Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm sorry but I'm not convinced that the skipping on > this track is just > ticking - sounds like a faulty master to me which > has been transmitted to > all 1000 copies (normal when it's manufactured 'en > masse'). > > All comments about the dead forum aside, in Martin's > own words TDI is a > business and all businesses I know that produce a > faulty product either > recall them and/or offer replacements free of > charge...(usually on return of > the faulty product however). The problem is, nobody > is going to want to > return their copies because they're all signed by > Edgar and Jerome (in fact, > is that true, or was it just the first few hundred? > I have copy 68/1000) > and hand numbered! > > Maybe there will be another production run of the > set in standard packaging > for the shops? If not, then I think there is a case > for reprinting just > disc 3 for those who ask for replacements... > > Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays > properly rather than a > limited edition dud...anybody have any > suggestions/views? > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37530 Re: Cool at Heart Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:17 pm Subject: photos/purple haze Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality photos of TD when they were especially scary looking (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade? BTW While looking through the TD website I saw a photo of Jerome F And Janey Klimek recording a vocal version of Purple Haze (with UNRELEASED in the caption). ...So has anyone heard it? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37531 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37533 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37535 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37536 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37539 Re: photos/purple haze Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37545 Re: photos/purple haze John McIntyre mcinty10 Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB 37547 Re: TD on Soundtracks (was photos/purple haze) Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum Morgan, I think you really missed what I was trying to say. I know we need the good with the bad, but some people really got carried away. They also had little flame wars there. It just got ridiculous. Just like our list gets sometimes. I remeber some words that I said that were meant for the list getting changed and being posted to the guestbook, which I was not happy about. I just think all the pissing and moaning about the forum being shut down needs to end. TD is going to do what they want, it is their site. So people just need to move on and deal with it. Robert From: Falcon Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart At 05:13 PM 12/8/2002, you wrote: >Paul, I am convinced it is the disk skipping - I can >see the time-index numbers jump if I play it on my PC >or on my cd player! I think mailing of a new Melrose >cd would be in order from TDI. Please go to www.exactaudiocopy.com and download the latest version. Install it and select you cdrom drive. Insert the 'faulty' disc, mark all tracks in the main window and select 'test selected tracks' by right-clicking on them. Please let us know, if you got any error messages. Oh, and please be sure to use 'secure mode' (to be found under EAC --> Drive Options --> Extraction method) and set the program to detect the drives reading capabilities. Ramon From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality > photos of TD when they were especially scary looking > (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my > screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade? Is this one scary looking enough? http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td1.jpg Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37533 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE c'mon................join in everyone ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE =O) From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze Pretty good - need to be more hairy, though! Thanks! --- Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good > quality > > photos of TD when they were especially scary > looking > > (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my > > screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 > brigade? > > Is this one scary looking enough? > http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td1.jpg > > Antonio Nunes > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum Did you ask John L if you could use this? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum > ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE > > c'mon................join in everyone > > ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE > > > =O) > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37537 Re: classic tree Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB 37538 Re: classic tree Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37541 Re: classic tree Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37583 Re: classic tree Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB 40093 classic tree hlauj000 hlauj000 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40094 Re: classic tree René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40098 Re: classic tree John Marchington johnmarch1938 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40099 Re: classic tree Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40141 Re: classic tree dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt wrote: > > Pretty good - need to be more hairy, though! Maybe you prefer this one: http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td2.jpg Antonio Nunes np: Optical Race Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37536 Re: photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze Perfect! Perfect! Any good photos of Iris around? (for that 'Beauty and the Beast' theme!) Thank-you, Antonio. --- Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > Pretty good - need to be more hairy, though! > > Maybe you prefer this one: > http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td2.jpg > > Antonio Nunes > > np: Optical Race > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree Um, am I being too impatient (and if so, sorry) but I have not heard a word from my branch regarding this tree. I have blanks on stand-by (sounds rude!). This seems to be taking a lot longer than the first two trees. What stage is the distribution at, at this time? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37538 Re: classic tree Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37541 Re: classic tree Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37583 Re: classic tree Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB 40093 classic tree hlauj000 hlauj000 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40094 Re: classic tree René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40098 Re: classic tree John Marchington johnmarch1938 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40099 Re: classic tree Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40141 Re: classic tree dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree From: 'Jonathan Holt' > Um, am I being too impatient (and if so, sorry) but I > have not heard a word from my branch regarding this > tree. I have blanks on stand-by (sounds rude!). This > seems to be taking a lot longer than the first two > trees. Jon, have you emailed your branch yet to make arrangements? All level 1 branches should have had their discs for over a week now, so everyone on level 2 should have contacted their supplier by now. If your branch has not emailed you first, you should email them. You can see your level on the tree at this page: http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm And find out who your supplier is (and their email address) from the database (click on the Classic Tree database link and do a search on your name to dislpay your branch): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database If you get no response at all from your branch after waiting a reasonable length of time, please contact me off-list. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37541 Re: classic tree Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/8/2002 3 KB 37583 Re: classic tree Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt wrote: > > Any good photos of Iris around? (for that 'Beauty and > the Beast' theme!) There's a nice photo on her site at http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/ Antonio Nunes From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum > Did you ask John L if you could use this? > > ;-) > dale ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE........................................................ ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE,................... LOVE.......................... LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED......................................................... ;o) From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree I've emailed twice in the past 6 weeks and not received any reply. I didn't want to pester the poor guy in case he was busy (we all have lives outside the forum, I understand that)...but I thought a dialogue and some sort of arrangement should have been started by now. I'll wait for a couple more weeks.... > > > Jon, have you emailed your branch yet to make > arrangements? > > All level 1 branches should have had their discs for > over a week now, so > everyone on level 2 should have contacted their > supplier by now. If your branch > has not emailed you first, you should email them. > > You can see your level on the tree at this page: > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm > > And find out who your supplier is (and their email > address) from the database > (click on the Classic Tree database link and do a > search on your name to dislpay > your branch): > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database > > > If you get no response at all from your branch after > waiting a reasonable length > of time, please contact me off-list. > > > Maff > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37583 Re: classic tree Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 5:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart This reminds me of some DVDs which were recently found to be defective (Terminator, Silence Of The Lambs to name two). The company immediately held up their hands, explained the fault and offered free replacement copies to anyone who returned their defective disc. I sent my Terminator back and a brand new copy turned up in about 3 weeks. If the Melrose discs do contain a genuine fault, then TDI should do the decent thing and replace anyone's copy that is effected. If you want to keep the signed packaging, then just return the disc itself. If the fault is defintiely there, then TDI are guilty of selling a faulty product and as customers, we have statutory rights in this area. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: [tadream] Cool at Heart > Hi all, > > I'm sorry but I'm not convinced that the skipping on this track is just > ticking - sounds like a faulty master to me which has been transmitted to > all 1000 copies (normal when it's manufactured 'en masse'). > > All comments about the dead forum aside, in Martin's own words TDI is a > business and all businesses I know that produce a faulty product either > recall them and/or offer replacements free of charge...(usually on return of > the faulty product however). The problem is, nobody is going to want to > return their copies because they're all signed by Edgar and Jerome (in fact, > is that true, or was it just the first few hundred? I have copy 68/1000) > and hand numbered! > > Maybe there will be another production run of the set in standard packaging > for the shops? If not, then I think there is a case for reprinting just > disc 3 for those who ask for replacements... > > Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays properly rather than a > limited edition dud...anybody have any suggestions/views? > > Paul > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart > > >Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays properly rather than a >limited edition dud...anybody have any suggestions/views? > >Paul > Dear Paul, I am having Jerome check the set and the masters to see whether there is something wrong or whether the sound was intended. If there is a problem, we will of course replace the single disc and let the people keep their signed packagings. I will let you know as soon as I know more. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37548 Re: Cool at Heart Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 11:29 am Subject: Re: melrose My copy skips in exactly the same places too... I have a Naim CD3 which can be temperamental, so I tried it in a Nakamichi which is more reliable, and it only ticked in that. Also, there are wierd compression sounds in the quiet passages of tracks one and six... has anyone else heard these? The other two CDs are excellent, as is the remainder of the Melrose CD. It was good to revisit them. TTFN, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > At 11:52 7-12-02 +0000, you wrote: > > >Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the > > > box too - grr! > > > >Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again > >at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem? > > My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times. > But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync with the > music. > > And is that a stylistic Santa+reindeer on top of the front cover? > > I must say that I'm impressed by the sound quality of Melrose. > The music all comes very much alive. > Good and bright and reveals a lot of details that I have never heard before. > > > > > > > Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > > Kees > > GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) > Kees Aerts > PO Box 2171 > NL-8203 AD Lelystad > Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 > http://www.groove.nl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: John McIntyre Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze Jonathan Holt wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality > photos of TD when they were especially scary looking > (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my > screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade? Look on the back of the _Sorcerer_ album. I heard some uncredited Tangerine Dream music while watching _Master of the Flying Guillotine_. I know there's a filmography for 'official' soundtracks, but is anyone keeping track of 'stolen' soundtrack music? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37547 Re: TD on Soundtracks (was photos/purple haze) Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB From: 'mad4rock75' Date: Sun Oct 20, 2002 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Programme project Thanks for this info - like others, I can't believe I wouldn't have bought a programme if one was available and it also seemed strange that it would be the only one I lost. So, it now looks like I can concentrate on Europe, North America and Australasia. Was there a handout for Reims 74 (like London 74) ? Anyone with something suitable - I'd love to hear from you. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > David, > > I can definitely confirm that there was no1980 UK tour programme. From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: TD on Soundtracks (was photos/purple haze) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, John McIntyre wrote: > I heard some uncredited Tangerine Dream music while watching _Master of the > Flying Guillotine_. I know there's a filmography for 'official' soundtracks, > but is anyone keeping track of 'stolen' soundtrack music? This reminds me...I just purchased Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' miniseries on DVD, and was delighted to hear Edgar's 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' during episode 3. I seem to recall excerpts from Rubycon, Maroubra Bay and Metropolis being used in the show too. But the music was licensed for use (Virgin Records would have seen them in court, otherwise). Alas, None of the TD music was included on the show's soundtrack album. From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 4:07 pm Subject: Re: Cool at Heart While we're being fussy...anyone else notice that the sound level on Melrose's bonus track 'The Back of Beyond' is noticably lower than the other tracks on the album? Or am I just going deaf? :-) From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 5:23 pm Subject: Re: faulty If the disks are faulty and the delivered master was clean, and if the proof that they must have received was also clean, then the manufacturer themselves are at fault and owe their customer (TDI) replacement disks. Depends on what the agreement was with the mfr. << Subject: Re: Cool at Heart This reminds me of some DVDs which were recently found to be defective (Terminator, Silence Of The Lambs to name two). The company immediately held up their hands, explained the fault and offered free replacement copies to anyone who returned their defective disc. I sent my Terminator back and a brand new copy turned up in about 3 weeks. If the Melrose discs do contain a genuine fault, then TDI should do the decent thing and replace anyone's copy that is effected. If you want to keep the signed packaging, then just return the disc itself. If the fault is defintiely there, then TDI are guilty of selling a faulty product and as customers, we have statutory rights in this area.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37579 Re: faulty Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37580 Re: ' faulty' TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB 37581 ' faulty' Johan Edberg johedb Tue 12/10/2002 3 KB 38195 one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 1/13/2003 3 KB 38197 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! David Wakefield bolosun Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB 38225 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Glynn Naughton bduke252003 Fri 12/27/2002 4 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Optical Race Correction It was pointed out to us that the bonus track 'Ruling the Waves' on the Optical Race-CD in The Melrose Years Box-Set is in fact identical to the track 'Ivory Town' on i-Box CD 4. Upon double-checking this, we had to notice that a mistake has been made regarding the track content of the Optical Race-disc. The bonus track that was included was indeed 'Ivory Town' from the i-Box and not, as intended, the unreleased track 'Ruling the Waves'. When putting the tracks for the CD's in sequential order for burning the CD-masters, the wrong track must've slipped in. TDI MUSIC wish to sincerely apologize for this mishap, as we did not intend to misinform potential customers. In order to rectify this error in the fastest and easiest way possible, we will put the 'missing' track 'Ruling the Waves' up for download in some days time. More info to be found soon right here on this spot. http://www.tangerinedream.org/article.php?sid=27&mode=&order=0&PHPSESSID=9b5f8e2\ 28d3ddc5bd3f573f0c96bac5a Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37551 Re: Optical Race Correction Antonio Nunes ajogon Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB 37552 Re: Optical Race Correction Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB 37553 On the bright side... Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB 37555 Re: On the bright side... Rolf Elfström rcade666 Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB 37565 Re: On the bright side... Falcon ppgwave2000 Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37560 Re: On the bright side... Admin dale1kay Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race Correction Michael Jean wrote: > > In order to rectify this error in the fastest and > easiest way possible, we will put the 'missing' track 'Ruling the Waves' > up for download in some days time. And how about a denoised version of 'Cool at Heart'? Antonio Nunes From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race Correction Goodness, what a mess this Melrose Years box has turned into. Problems with the website's ordering system, sound glitches, incorrect track mastering... This latest situation with Ruling the Waves is particulalry irritating. Getting back to an old theme of mine, if there had been sound clips of these new tracks available, we would have recognized the error before the disks got shipped. And now, this new track - which was one of the main selling points of the set - will be available to everyone free of charge on the TDI site. *sigh* Well, I can't see TDI being very happy about this whole situation either. From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 7:17 pm Subject: On the bright side... But hey...I guess we should look on the bright side. These mispressed copies of Optical Race may become valuable collector's items! :-) -Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37555 Re: On the bright side... Rolf Elfström rcade666 Mon 12/9/2002 2 KB 37565 Re: On the bright side... Falcon ppgwave2000 Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37560 Re: On the bright side... Admin dale1kay Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 11:21 pm Subject: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze Fist time I hear about a vocal version of td's purple haze. Guess it wuld have been weird somehow. However, there is a nice vocal version of dreamtime and I'd like to find a transcription of the lyrics somewhere for I still have some problems to get every word... Thomas (who needs to impove his oral comprehension). ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: Jonathan Holt >Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:17:34 -0500 (EST) >Sujet: [tadream] photos/purple haze > >Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality >photos of TD when they were especially scary looking >(I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my >screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade? > >BTW While looking through the TD website I saw a photo >of Jerome F And Janey Klimek recording a vocal version >of Purple Haze (with UNRELEASED in the caption). > >...So has anyone heard it? > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37586 Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze John Vertical omegatransfinito Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: Re: On the bright side... >But hey...I guess we should look on the bright side. These mispressed >copies of Optical Race may become valuable collector's items! :-) > >-Sean Does anybody else spot the Star Wars Connection??? First we had an error lurking on one track: Part 1 - The Phantom Menace... Now we got an wrongly copied already existing track: Part 2 - Attack Of The Clones... Maybe we should ask George Lucas what to expect next? =) Part 3 - ??? But then the future looks bright: Part 4 - A New Hope !!!!!! Part 6 - Return Of The Jedi (Schmoelling & Franke) Not sure about Part 5 - The Empire Strikes Back??? A massive Virgin-compilations and re-release flood maybe? All kidding aside, I love the new Melrose discs! Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37565 Re: On the bright side... Falcon ppgwave2000 Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:08 am Subject: firestarter sequel Hi, just turned the TV on, there's a B movie called firestarter currently airing (with Dennis Hoper - the vilain I guess). It pretty much seems to be a sequel of the 80's movie of the same name if I judge from the flashback sequence of the begining. However, the music is not TD's, it's from a guy named Randy Miller. Classic orchestral-like stuff. Don't know how TD's score sounds anyway. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:23 pm Subject: re: let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . >(how many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . Not sure, there are definitely many taper friend bands just point your browser to etree.org and see who you can find. or to www.jambands.com or to setlist.com almost all the bands on these site openly allow taping and exchange. --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:43 pm Subject: closed forum/USENET >They're listening, they're just not going to change direction in the >slightest to meet customer requests. well certainly with ears like that it's no wonder the posts to the forum don't change--hence the closure [shrugs] --T (already not missing the forum--there's always USENET where you can get plenty of bitching and moaning and more....) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37561 Re: closed forum/USENET Admin dale1kay Mon 12/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Don Hawkinson' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:48 pm Subject: Valentine Wheels CD I have an unopened CD copy of Valentine Wheels that I would like to sell for $8 (US) plus actual shipping costs. I ended up getting two copies on eBay when I only looked at the auction titles and not the full description of the items. Please reply directly to me to reduce traffic on the list. Don Hawkinson dwhawk@i... From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] On the bright side... This is also very true. Just think of those stamps with those upside down planes or that double struck coin. I saw Marten's post. I would get the replacement to listen too, keep the problem one as a collector. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: [tadream] On the bright side... > But hey...I guess we should look on the bright side. These mispressed > copies of Optical Race may become valuable collector's items! :-) > > -Sean > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] closed forum/USENET One can never have enough of the bitcccchhhing and moaning!!! ;-) rrrrr give me the 60's to 70's and a bit of those 80's, wait what is that I hear???? it's 90's and something heading into the next century.... rrrrrrrrrr wait, I am a dinosaur... I can't go there.... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [tadream] closed forum/USENET > > >They're listening, they're just not going to change direction in the > >slightest to meet customer requests. > > well certainly with ears like that it's no wonder the posts to the forum > don't change--hence the closure > > [shrugs] > > --T (already not missing the forum--there's always USENET where you can get > plenty of bitching and moaning and more....) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum Hello everyone, I'm sorry again for the one-liner, but I just wanted to step forward and say that I agree with Alan, and that's pretty much what I wanted to say about this subject. And just to add that here in the mailing list I feel home, regarding everything related to TD; that's why I had never tried the forum. fellow lurker Alan Miller said: >Martin, I totally agree with the decision to close down the Forum.(...) >There should be a place where TD fans and supporters can (in the most part) >debate the band and the music that they appreciate - that place for me is >here and my respect and grateful thanks go out to Joe for this. Over the >years this list has largely been self regulated(...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'esculap' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:11 am Subject: RE: Kieslowski & Tangent (Preisner&TD) Yesterday I listened to the soundtrack for 'Blue' ( and for 'Blanc', too) and there is nothing there that is similar to Tangerine Dream. Btw. The soundtracks for most of Kieslowski's films were composed by Zbigniew Preisner. > From: 'Michael A Jean' >I've seen BLUE countless times, and never made the connection... I'll have >to watch it again and let you know. >MJ > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:50 AM > I've commonly caught my usually non-musical mother whistiling the > tune from > the first quarter of Tangent... I thought that it was simply because the > melody is some sort of catchy, but she claims that it actually resembles > something from Kieslowski's Blue... > Any comments? > John Vertical From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:41 pm Subject: 2001 from Hyp Re: [tadream] melrose >This is slightly unrelated, but what about the barcode and the number '2001' >on the cover of Hyperborea..? Even stranger. this one is a curiosity I always had, but just a dormant curiosity really. so what is it about? GJ np: Round Goes the Gossip from the newly bought Focus 3 (it's never late to meet new masters!) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: Falcon Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: On the bright side... At 09:02 PM 12/9/2002, you wrote: >Does anybody else spot the Star Wars Connection??? > >First we had an error lurking on one track: >Part 1 - The Phantom Menace... > >Now we got an wrongly copied already existing track: >Part 2 - Attack Of The Clones... > >Maybe we should ask George Lucas what to expect next? =) >Part 3 - ??? I'd be also interested in 'Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets' (Edgars hidden tape vault :-) ) Ramon From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:18 am Subject: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom This showed up under another site, reprint below... I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a while. I picked up some of his early work when he was working with TD or a few of the members anyway. Thought there might be others here who might enjoy this. dale cross post ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Pennington To: krautrocknet@y... Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: [krautrocknet] mushroom madness in HIGH TIMES this month... An email from Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Mushroom - Analog Hi Fi Surprise CD is featured in a review in the December 2002 issue (on newstands now) of the (legendary pot smokers magazine) HIGH TIMES on page 22, they write: Taking funked-out fusion and mixing it with quirky progressive rock and faux-retro song titles like 'Our Buddy Miles' and 'Abbie Hoffman' San Francisco's Mushroom never cease to amaze. Reissuing 1998's `Analog Hi-Fi Surprise' with new packaging and four extra tracks, Drummer/producer Pat O'Hearn conducts his psychedelic jazz sextet with humorous enthusiasm. Blending electric keyboards with hard-edged guitars and in-the- pocket rhythms, Mushroom capture the essence of old school jamming with hot technology and the post-modern mood of today. Using stoner friendly production techniques and a kaleidoscopic approach towards their long-winded instrumentals, Mushroom may just be the missing link of contemporary jambands. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37567 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37568 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom quarlie@a... Quarlie Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37569 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Admin dale1kay Tue 12/10/2002 3 KB 37570 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB 37571 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37578 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom odean@m... Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37595 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB 37616 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom John McIntyre mcinty10 Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:16:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, admin@k... writes: > This showed up under another site, reprint below... > I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a while. I picked up some of > his early work when he was working with TD or a few of the members anyway. > Thought there might be others here who might enjoy this. > dale *Ummm (Pedantic mode) A) This is clearly a different 'Pat' O'Hearn. Patrick is a bassist/synthesist not a drummer. also he lives on the east coast, not in San Fran. B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a couple of albums on Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom In a message dated 12/10/02 10:23:48, Synthhtnys@a... writes: > Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a couple of albums on > Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label. > It should be noted, though, that Baumann actually produced at least some of those albums (but this was long after he left TD of course). --Daniel NP: Fluke - Progressive History X [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom True he never did work with TD but studied under Edgar? I need to watch my phrases a bit more... I did not mean to imply work with TD... Yea I know, I am wondering if this is the same person too. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom > In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:16:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > admin@k... writes: > > > This showed up under another site, reprint below... > > I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a while. I picked up some of > > his early work when he was working with TD or a few of the members anyway. > > Thought there might be others here who might enjoy this. > > dale > > *Ummm (Pedantic mode) > A) This is clearly a different 'Pat' O'Hearn. Patrick is a bassist/synthesist > not a drummer. also he lives on the east coast, not in San Fran. > B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a couple of albums on > Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37570 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me the truth. --- Admin wrote: > True he never did work with TD but studied under > Edgar? I need to watch my > phrases a bit more... I did not mean to imply work > with TD... > Yea I know, I am wondering if this is the same > person too. > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:16:43 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > > admin@k... writes: > > > > > This showed up under another site, reprint > below... > > > I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a > while. I picked up some > of > > > his early work when he was working with TD or a > few of the members > anyway. > > > Thought there might be others here who might > enjoy this. > > > dale > > > > *Ummm (Pedantic mode) > > A) This is clearly a different 'Pat' O'Hearn. > Patrick is a > bassist/synthesist > > not a drummer. also he lives on the east coast, > not in San Fran. > > B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however > have a couple of albums on > > Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label. > > Poly > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:45:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, plantpot_73@y... writes: > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank > Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me > the truth. > *Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons' Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37578 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom odean@m... Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB 37595 Re: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:59 am Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #13 December 7, 2002. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Redshift Leviathans Halo (Distant Sun) Alpha Wave Movement Mapping the Heavens A Distant Sugnal (HRR) Max van Richter Resurrection Resurrection (Neu Harmony) Tranzit Pulsarz Trans-Rapid (Groove) Otarion Places Without Traces Creator (Neu Harmony) The Glimmer Room Terminal Individuality Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu Harmony) Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rudy Adrian and Night Sky (Part 2) Across the Silver Sky (Groove) Ron Boots Steve Howe and Turn of the Century Tales from Yesterday (Magna Annie Haslam Carta) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Mangala Vallis The Book of Dreams The Book of Dreams (Tamburo a Vapore) Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes (Original Masters) Spock's Beard Beware of Darkness Beware of Darkness (Radiant) Star Castle Fountains Chronos I (Sunsinger) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 4. Happy Holidays!! Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:07 am Subject: The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom) On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:22:02 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes: >B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a >couple of albums on Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label. 'Mount Shasta' -- off the LILY ON THE BEACH album -- always struck me as a Patrick O'Hearn homage (specifically, to O'Hearn's first two albums, ANCIENT DREAMS and BETWEEN TWO WORLDS). >Poly Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37582 Re: The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick O'Hearn's Mushro Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Tue 12/10/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:09 am Subject: ot Mushroom's Pat O'Hearn Mushroom's Pat O'Hearn is actually Pat Thomas former drummer (amongst other claims to fame) of Daevid Allen's University of Errors. I've seen Pat play in both bands and talked with him several times. He can occasionally be found posting to the king crimson fan mailing list elephant-talk, too. you can check out some mushroom and UofE mp3s here: http://www.innerspacerecords.com/mp3.htm OK, way too much ot info that. --T _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:24 am Subject: OT: For lovers of language Sorry for the OT content, but this is easily one of the funnier things I've read in a while. Enjoy! Poly > ATTENTION ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE LANGUAGE! The Washington Post publishes a > yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for > various words. The following were some recent winning entries: > > 1. Coffee (n.), a person who is coughed upon. > > 2. Flabbergasted (adj.), appalled over how much weight you have gained. > > 3. Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach. > > 4. Esplanade (v.), to attempt an explanation while drunk. > > 5. Willy-nilly (adj.), impotent > > 6. . Negligent (adj.), describes a condition in which you absentmindedly > answer the door in your nightie. > > 7. Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp. > > 8. Gargoyle (n.), an olive-flavoured mouthwash. > > 9. Flatulence (n.) the emergency vehicle that picks you up after you are > run over by a steamroller. > > 10. Balderdash (n.), a rapidly receding hairline. > > 11. Testicle (n.), a humorous question on an exam. > > 12. Rectitude (n.), the formal, dignified demeanor assumed by a > proctologist immediately before he examines you > > 13. Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddish > expressions. > > 14. Circumvent (n.), the opening in the front of boxer shorts. > > 15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up > on the roof and gets stuck there. > > 16. Pokemon (n), A Jamaican proctologist. > > The Post also invited readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter > it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new > definition. Here are some of those winners: > > 1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax  refund, which lasts until you > realize it was your money to start with. > > 2. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly. > > 3. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of > getting laid (e.g.: 'I'm a doctor...') > > 4. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high. > > 5. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person > who doesn't get it. > > 6. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. > > 7. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness. > > 8. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (this one got extra credit) > > 9. Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really > bad vibes, right? >    And then, like, the Earth  explodes and it's like, a serious bummer. > > 10. Glibido: All talk and no action. > > 11. Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they > come at you rapidly > > 12. Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37577 Re: OT: For lovers of language tei waz teiwazbarana2002 Tue 12/10/2002 3 KB 37611 Re: OT: For lovers of language Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:38 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] Re: melrose Hello I have listened to that track yesterday. So I think it isn't a disk failure, maybe it is a mixing problem. One' fading out and the next's fading in. So today when I#m at home I will listen to the LP track. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich 'Stephen Manship ' wrote: > At 11:52 7-12-02 +0000, you wrote: > > >Jonathan Holt wrote: > > > > > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the > > > box too - grr! > > > >Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again > >at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem? > > My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times. > But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync with the > music. > > And is that a stylistic Santa+reindeer on top of the front cover? > > I must say that I'm impressed by the sound quality of Melrose. > The music all comes very much alive. > Good and bright and reveals a lot of details that I have never heard before. > > > > > > > Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > > Kees > > GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) > Kees Aerts > PO Box 2171 > NL-8203 AD Lelystad > Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 > http://www.groove.nl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:40 am Subject: re: OT: For lovers of language >ATTENTION ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE LANGUAGE! The Washington Post publishes a >yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for >various words. The following were some recent winning entries: >15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up >on the roof and gets stuck there. < hmm, the legitimacy of their premise comes (albeit interesting definitions) into question when the alternative (read 'underground') student newspaper at my high school published an article on 'Frisbeetarianism' in the '70s with that exact definition..... but it does fit well with 'reduce-reuse-recycle' and 'pet rocks'. Now where's my 'mood ring'? --T _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37611 Re: OT: For lovers of language Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/11/2002 4 KB From: odean@m... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom At 09:46 PM 12/9/02 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:45:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, >plantpot_73@y... writes: > > > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank > > Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me > > the truth. > > > >*Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons' >Poly He was also a member of 'Group 87.' Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ NP: Rick Wakeman - 2000AD Into the Future From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000. armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37580 Re: ' faulty' TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 12/10/2002 4 KB 37581 ' faulty' Johan Edberg johedb Tue 12/10/2002 3 KB 38195 one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 1/13/2003 3 KB 38197 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! David Wakefield bolosun Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB 38225 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Glynn Naughton bduke252003 Fri 12/27/2002 4 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty' At 09:38 10.12.02, you wrote: >I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this >ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000. > >armin > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 >SUN Microsystems Ireland > >'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen Dear list, here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue: 'skipping' on the Melrose Years: we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart' on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on every one of them. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37581 ' faulty' Johan Edberg johedb Tue 12/10/2002 3 KB 38195 one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 1/13/2003 3 KB 38197 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! David Wakefield bolosun Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB 38225 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Glynn Naughton bduke252003 Fri 12/27/2002 4 KB From: 'Johan Edberg ' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:50 am Subject: Re:' faulty' --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Dear list, here´s the official statement after talking to > Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue: > ... a deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that > chops up sound bytes. ...and if you listen closely, you > will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the > tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause > for alarm. >---< Thank you Martin for your ever so welcome enlightenment! - And if you don't listen closely it sounds as if your player is skipping! Now, what do you think of the klicking sound? Not very good, is it? Sounds really wierd that this should be intended, dosen't it? An intentional sound that makes you think 'oh, it's skipping, eh.. no, it's not'. REALLY contributes to the total experience of the music, yeah. ;-) - A new kind of non imaginary, tech related 'oh, my player is breaking down' kind of wake up alarm from the otherwise so cool at heart dreamstate of the track... Love and kisses / jOhan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38195 one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 1/13/2003 3 KB 38197 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! David Wakefield bolosun Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB 38225 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Glynn Naughton From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:51 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom) I do recall an article in the old CYMBIOSIS Magazine (the one that contained the firt trakcs from Canyon Dreams). In the same issue was a review of a Patrick O'Hearn concert, that mentioned Edgar was there (in the audience) for the O'Hearn show. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:07 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick > O'Hearn's Mushroom) > > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:22:02 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes: > > >B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a > >couple of albums on Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label. > > 'Mount Shasta' -- off the LILY ON THE BEACH album -- > always struck me as a Patrick O'Hearn homage (specifically, > to O'Hearn's first two albums, ANCIENT DREAMS and BETWEEN > TWO WORLDS). > > >Poly > > Steven Feldman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 5:12 pm Subject: Re: classic tree --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt wrote: > I've emailed twice in the past 6 weeks and not > received any reply. I didn't want to pester the poor > guy in case he was busy (we all have lives outside the > forum, I understand that)...but I thought a dialogue > and some sort of arrangement should have been started > by now. > > I'll wait for a couple more weeks.... > > > > > > > Jon, have you emailed your branch yet to make > > arrangements? > > > > All level 1 branches should have had their discs for > > over a week now, so > > everyone on level 2 should have contacted their > > supplier by now. Got My Classic Tree discs today,excellent service from my branch,and superb communications.Thanks very much Ray. Best regards Colin NP Live Improvised. > > has not emailed you first, you should email them. > > > > You can see your level on the tree at this page: > > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm > > > > And find out who your supplier is (and their email > > address) from the database > > (click on the Classic Tree database link and do a > > search on your name to dislpay > > your branch): > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database > > > > > > If you get no response at all from your branch after > > waiting a reasonable length > > of time, please contact me off-list. > > > > > > Maff > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty' A clever trick which must be copied for those who perform flawless TD work in public... The master has spoken ! ;-) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty' At 09:38 10.12.02, you wrote: >I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this >ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000. > >armin > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 >SUN Microsystems Ireland > >'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen Dear list, here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue: 'skipping' on the Melrose Years: we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart' on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on every one of them. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'corporalcripp ' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: TD & FORBIDDEN PLANET This may be old news to some TD fans but......I'm listening to their August 16/75 show.About a minute into the first track the music took on an overly familiar 'ring'.I paused the disc, backed up a bit and yeah, the flickering echoes and tonalities sounded so much like the music heard in the sci-fi movie classic,'Forbidden Planet'. Anyone else feel this way?-Bob From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze >Fist time I hear about a vocal version of td's purple haze. Guess it wuld >have been weird somehow. >However, there is a nice vocal version of dreamtime and I'd like to find a >transcription of the lyrics somewhere for I still have some problems to get >every word... > > >Thomas (who needs to impove his oral comprehension). See the piece's entry at www.voices-in-the-net.de The bible of every TD fan. Period. (waitwait, perhaps only a part of the Bible... there's Zebbyworld, this mailing list, and a handful of other places too...) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Chris Richards Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Patrick O'Hearn <<> > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me the truth. > > > *Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons' >Poly He was also a member of 'Group 87.'>> He also played on the solo album by Andy Taylor, Duran Duran's original guitarist. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:22 am Subject: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze Thanks for reminding me that excellent web site. It helped me complete my transcription. However, I still stand on my initial guesses in some cases. Otherwise, I've adopted the transcription I've found on the site. Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being austrian (just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always pronounce words exactly the right way. I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange somehow. Does the person who did the transcription have english for native language? If so, I don't have anything more to say. If not, I decided to post my own version. For anyone who bothers : Dreamtime Echoes from the past Follow me Echoes from the past Shadow my dreams (there's a ghost inside of me) Shadow my dreams There's a spirit calling me Overpowering (there's a ghost inside of me) If it wasn't for you I'd leave (there's a voice inside of me) To dreamtime All I('d?) be (Oh/All it's a part of me) All of me (All I dream) Oh I think it's going to take me a while It's going to take me a while I think it's going to take me a while Before I come back to... Dreamtime (There's a tale inside of me) The magic's in the air In the air I breathe (There's a tale inside of me) Dreamtime All I see (Oh/All that's a part of me) All I would be Oh I think it's going to take me a while It's going to take me a while I think it's going to take me a while Before I come back to... Dreamtime... Think it's gonna take me a while... Dreamtime... ... All I see (Oh/All it's a part of me) All of me (All I dream) Oh I think it's going to take me a while It's going to take me a while I think it's going to take me a while Before I come back to dreamtime Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: 'John Vertical' >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:35:43 +0200 >Sujet: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze > >>Fist time I hear about a vocal version of td's purple haze. Guess it wuld >>have been weird somehow. >>However, there is a nice vocal version of dreamtime and I'd like to find a >>transcription of the lyrics somewhere for I still have some problems to get >>every word... >> >> >>Thomas (who needs to impove his oral comprehension). > > >See the piece's entry at www.voices-in-the-net.de >The bible of every TD fan. Period. >(waitwait, perhaps only a part of the Bible... there's Zebbyworld, this >mailing list, and a handful of other places too...) > >John Vertical > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37602 Re: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB 37614 Re: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze thomas.soucheleau@n... canadiurne Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB 37696 Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze michael_berling From: 'gyedid01 ' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:08 pm Subject: Please contact me regarding TT2 Hello folks, it's been a while... I would appreciate it very much if somebody could contact me regarding TT2. Specifically, my tree contact seems to have disappeared. Admittedly, I dropped the ball when he first contacted me and didn't send him anything as soon as he might have liked, but my last several attempts at contacting him have gone unanswered. So, basically, I'm still interested in acquiring the set, but I need a new branch. please send me a personal reply...responses from the midwest U.S. and southern Ontario are preferred... cheers, Gabe p.s. as Melrose is one of my very favourite TD albums, will I find the new one worth it? From: 'goozergrafx ' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: Melrose Years Box Has anyone else who ordered the box on the first day of availability (11/21) not received it yet? I was the 25th viewer of the order pg and placed my order immediately, was billed that same day, but have yet to receive it. I know that the site says up to 4 weeks, but since some of my N. American bretheren got theirs last Fri./Sat.... Martin, can you help out a fellow Saviour Machine freak? ;) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37600 Re: Melrose Years Box Steven Feldman losmara Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB From: David Butler Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:55 pm Subject: Forumandcoke So the Forum closed...blah, blah, blah...and there are clicks on a tune on Melrose...blah, blah, blah...and I really don't think Martin likes any of us...blah, now wait a minute, that is inflammatory and libelous, you shouldn't say stuff like that out loud...blah, blah, blah...Thank God or Buddha or Edgar that we aren't all mindless '4th graders'. I, for one, will NOT be buying any more Tangerine Dream in this lifetime or the next, yeah sure, like that's gonna happen, I'm waiting on the Melrose years now. Hope mine doesn't have that clickety thing on it...Jeez, you guys are anal, oops, did I really say that?....David NP...Anything that doesn't have that clickety sound on it...actually King Crimson...In the Court...although Bill Bruford does have clickety tendancies...shutting up, SIR... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37603 Re: Forumandcoke TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB 37631 Re: Forumandcoke Administrator dale1kay Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:38 am Subject: 'Ruling the Waves' 'Ruling the Waves' , is this a truely unheard of before track? Does anyone know what style it is in? (like 60's, 70's, 80's and so forth?) The title is great, I am just wondering about how the title fits the music. Dale From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Ruling the Waves' Dale said 'Ruling the Waves' , is this a truely unheard of before track? The title is great, I am just wondering about how the title fits the music. Didn't Britannia rule the waves? Corporal Cripp referred to Forbidden Planet. Wasn't the film modelled on a Shakespear play? I don't know who Robbie the robot was playing. May be the Krell is a refernce to a list like this. David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37703 Re: 'Ruling the Waves' Steven Feldman losmara Fri 12/13/2002 2 KB From: 'bbrylow' Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 3:08 pm Subject: Classic Tree Is the Classic Tree available for download anywhere? I got the covers, but can't find the music. Alex appears to still be down? Matt - any ideas? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37615 Classic Tree Christian Villazón chr_tangerine Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB 37617 Re: Classic Tree matthewsawyer From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom Hi all, > In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:45:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > plantpot_73@y... writes: > > > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank > > Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me > > the truth. > > > > *Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons' Wich was infact the band of Terry Bozzio (ex Zappa drumbeast) and his wife Dale, formed out of ex-Zappa band members who wanted to try and write/play 'normal' pop-music. (ofcourse they failed ...... ;-)) Tony/Rotterdam From: 'Herbert' Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 5:02 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Hi Collin, did you get any response on your mail? I might have missed that thing too. The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he would do some DVD using a new hardware. Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some). Thanks Herbert -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...] Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56 An: tadream@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Hi Colin, Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... Kind regards, Roger --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we would > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > absolute TD diamond. > Many Thanks > Colin South Wales UK ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'goatsong99' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:43 pm Subject: New here :-) Hi all. I had stumbled opon the TD website about a month back, joined the forum, and then the next day it was gone.. *sigh* Then I noticed that all of my postings in the guestbook were removed since last night. So here I am, after seeing someone post this about this list. I first got into them when watching Legend, and have since gotten a few odd bootleg cds via mp3 trading. Beautiful is the only way to describe their sound! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37636 Re: New here :-) PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB 37642 Re: New here :-) Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB From: 'Martin Mckee ' Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:42 pm Subject: Re: melrose --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Does anyone know what is > >the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on the front cover? > >Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-) > > > This is slightly unrelated, but what about the barcode and the number '2001' > on the cover of Hyperborea..? Even stranger. Well, you're right this is strange.. Maybe the barcode represents some reference to Stanley Kubrick/Arthur C. Clarke Movie 2001.. or perhaps The barcode is meant to imply some disregard for evil corporations or something.. Or maybe its just one of those damn quirky TD things we just all secretly have come to love.. :-).. Martin Mckee. (all this positive talk about the private set, is making me reach for my almost maxxed out credit card..) From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD Forum Ok, what is this 'ground liftaz' thing? Besides something that looks like teenage spelling? And as for the rest, good and bad work together. You have to have one to offset the other. That's how it works. Something got a bad review? So what! Not all fans are as broadminded as others. I can think of a few bands that have gotten awful reviews from thier fans because their styles changed a bit. A real fan is still going to give them a chance. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:00 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: TD Forum >Robert Grabowsky said: > >I remember seeing the old TD guestbook turn into a conversation place >as well as a piss and moan club. And it now seems we have the same thing in >the new forum. If people want to carry on conversations take it to personal >e-mail or mIRC or even a group like this. Stop wasting the site owners >bandwidth and hard drive space. The same goes for the piss and moan club >memebers. If all it's going to be is *I love TD*, *I love Ground Liftaz* *kiss* *smooch* *lick* then just delete the Forum because that is boring. TD already knows they have a lot of fans. They can look at sales figures and see that. The forum is so people can share/exchange information about the often-mysterious TD. We help people make sense of the labeling and details of TD's releases and talk about what we wish TD would release in the faint hope that they might, in a moment of weakness, do what we beg... A forum, just like this country, is no good without the positives AND the negatives. I include myself in the category of people that you and others on this list have been talking about lately. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Years Box On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:05:50 -0000 'goozergrafx ' writes: >Has anyone else who ordered the box on the first day of >availability (11/21) not received it yet Me. Gotta have that new version of 'Desert Train'! ;) :) Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty' give me a break! lucky enough that I'm not that keen on that track anyway. armin TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > Dear list, > > here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue: > > 'skipping' on the Melrose Years: > > we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can > be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart' > on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the > song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is > neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a > deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If > you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs > through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen > closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the > tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You > will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on > every one of them. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Re: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze > >Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being austrian >(just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always pronounce words >exactly the right way. >I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange somehow. Jayney Klimek is Australian, not Austrian. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke At 15:55 10.12.02, you wrote: >...blah, blah, blah...and I >really don't think Martin likes any of us.. *Oh but I loooooveeee you! ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'gmuddeman' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:39 am Subject: Melrose Years Hi, New to the group but have been a fan of T.D. since 1975. I have just received by copy of 'The Melrose Years' What can I say. Brilliant, Totally different but at the same time keeping to what we all know. The guitar work is awesome. It would be interesting to know if they plan any more like this. P.S. it,s a shame that the forum on the official webpage has been stopped. Different points of view whether positive or negative are always worth reading. Gra. From: 'jmpoer' Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:43 pm Subject: The Snowman - Howard Blake Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory. What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember). Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies, remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that. Anyone got the connection? Thanks, John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37625 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB 37633 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake goozergrafx goozergrafx Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB 37637 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake Steven Feldman losmara Wed 12/11/2002 2 KB 37652 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake Roger Hartopp gmroger Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37760 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake esculap andrzejos2000 Mon 12/16/2002 3 KB 37781 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 37798 Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake esculap andrzejos2000 Tue 12/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Martin Mckee' Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:43 pm Subject: Re: TD Live in London --- In tadream@y..., Jonathan Holt wrote: > Oh Dear God (or Edgar or Martin etc.) > > PLEASE come to Toronto, Canada. Please (begins weeping > like a girl) PLEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEE!!!!!!! I'll gladly trek down to montreal or Toronto for probably the only opportunity to see TD live in The great white north .. Thats 2 votes for Canada, TDI :-} Martin. From: 'frickyohanson' Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:44 pm Subject: TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join? Hi I'm new to the site having just discovered it today - can any advice me on how to apply for the above trees or am I too late? I am based in Scotland, have 2 TD shows and would love to increase my collection. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37623 Re: TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join? Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB 37687 Re: TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join? esculap andrzejos2000 Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB From: 'frickyohanson' Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Signup for Classic Tree As a newbie to this group - can anyone tell me if i'm too late to sign up for the Classic Tree? Many Thanks Frank From: 'Mark Willcocks' Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD live in London The Astoria has seating upstairs (rather quaint tables at right-angles to the stage with little table lamps!). The usual arrangement is that you can move freely between the stalls and the circle. Could be advisable to check first tho', and arrive early to bag a good seat. Cheers Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:43 AM Subject: [tadream] TD live in London > It's interesting that they've chosen a standing room only venue. I guess > this means that the show is going to be in the Dream Mixes vein, aimed at > younger fans who will dance. (Like the SBE show, except no-one danced at > that one, although I don't know how you resisted!) Anyways, SRO means I > shan't be going - my legs aren't up to standing for any length of time. > Pity. (I hope they get a better sound engineer than they had at SBE, b.t.w.) > > LnH > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'P.M. Dierking' Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: New Schmoelling Album?? Visited the http://www.viktoriapark-records.de/ site and in the news section, it says there is a new release palnned called 'Recycle or Die'. Any word on it's progress? From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:50 am Subject: RE: [tadream] re: OT: For lovers of language LOL! Oh that's funny! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:40 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... Subject: [tadream] re: OT: For lovers of language >ATTENTION ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE LANGUAGE! The Washington Post publishes a >yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for >various words. The following were some recent winning entries: >15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up >on the roof and gets stuck there. < hmm, the legitimacy of their premise comes (albeit interesting definitions) into question when the alternative (read 'underground') student newspaper at my high school published an article on 'Frisbeetarianism' in the '70s with that exact definition..... but it does fit well with 'reduce-reuse-recycle' and 'pet rocks'. Now where's my 'mood ring'? --T _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Andrew' Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation Regarding Dan's comments on the move from improvisation to a more compositional approach: I think there are probably a few overlapping factors here. I remember either Edgar or Chris - Chris, I think - saying in the early eighties that the advent of programmable synths had been decisive in making the band move toward a less improvisational approach on stage. That amused me at the time, because I would have thought that would make composed pieces more possible, but it wouldn't necessarily push the band that way unless that was the way they wanted to go at that point. My reading of the situation is that after the first heady couple of years of improvisational concerts the band found themselves falling back more and more on things that worked well, and the improvisational content gradually decreased. That situation became more the case when Peter Baumann left, but it was probably going to happen anyway. Another factor was the limitation of analogue sequencers. As Dan's said, advances in sequencers in the eighties meant a certain amount of pre-planning. On the other hand, though, Chris Franke was talking during that time about his desire to have as much live control of the sequencers as possible, and he seemed to be seeing the new technology as a way of gaining greater control over pre-programmed cells of music. That still seemed to go with composed pieces, but with a more live control over the performance of the pre-composed piece. During the seventies I suspect the sequencer rhythms tended to be the more stable element in the music in terms of pre-planning. Chris talked then about pre-programmed cells of music that he could switch between, and the main improvisational possibilities seemed to be in the switching and in the filter control of tone and variations in envelope shaping. The latter two elements could be controlled live much more easily than the pitch and rhythm of the sequence. So the way I read it, by the time Peter left the band there was a tightening up of the pre-composed element in the live concerts that had been progressing gradually for a while. Chris wanted to gain greater freedom with the sequences, but that happened within a context where the whole band was moving toward tighter structures. By 1982 Chris was saying things like `we're now back to counting bars again' (with reference to Chronozon, I think that was). Someone with access to a large catalogue of unreleased recordings will be able to throw a lot of light on this, of course. My impressions from that time are that the Ricochet tour was already showing similarities in different concerts. I saw the band at Liverpool Cathedral during that tour, and I seem to remember parts of that concert on the Ricochet album (though of course there were things in the concert that they didn't record on the album). And there was a film of the Coventry concert (which I'd love to see again if anyone knows if it's available), which sounded very much like the stuff on the album. The next time I saw the band was three days before Logos was recorded, and by this time similarities between concerts seemed to have become near-identicality (if that's a word). What I heard in Oxford was very close to what was recorded at the Dominion theatre that weekend. In fact if memory serves me right, the piece that became known as Dominion would have had to be called Apollo if it had been recorded at the Oxford Apollo concert, because it was the same piece both nights. So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about 1975, with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the pieces. Then continual playing as a band caused a definite move toward playing set structures, which eventually became fairly fixed pieces by the time Johannes Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. Edgar or Chris attributed the move to programmable synthesisers, but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused the move to happen. It made it possible, but it could also have made greater improvisation possible - and in any case Tangerine Dream have never been inclined to let their instruments dictate how they were going to approach making music. Even when they were moving toward set compositions they were still seeking to gain ever greater flexibility in their control of the elements of the music. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dan Downey' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation > Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone > from an improvisational method to a more composed > method? > > With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s > I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting > of the materials..... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37620 Re: TD interview from 1976 - english translation Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Wed 12/11/2002 8 KB From: 'tmaxlo' Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:30 pm Subject: Thank you Martin Sorry to be a bit cheesy but I would like to thank the very human person behind the 'Admin' name. Today I learnt he is called Martin. When I first joined the forum I didn't know who Admin were. Then day by day I learnt a bit more about them. A person who knows quite a bit about TD and not just some admin staff who pops in to shuffle paperwork and tap keys. Found he has been with the band for some time. So there must be a lot of history we could have discovered from him - if only we asked the right questions. I sympathise with the situation he's been in but we all feel quite passionate about the TD experience and so it's difficult to curb our varied opinions. I think the forum was good for exchange of useful information and whilst critism is just as important there should be some form of control over it. It feels like being in a minority at times as we can't just ask any old person what they think about TD's latest whatever, like you could ask someone about Madonnas new image. I know there are other forums but you know what they say about home(TDi Home)...'Home is where the heart is' (okay, sorry, too cheesy) Maybe in the future they could collate fans critic over TD's output and just publish a balanced and proportionate amount of feedback. I would find a constructive critism of an album useful. Even if its bad I'll still go and buy it! Thank you Admin, Martin or Darth. Whoever you are. I hope you've still got some work to do now we're off your back?!! MaxLo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37628 Re: Thank you Martin Administrator dale1kay Wed 12/11/2002 5 KB 37649 Re: Thank you Martin TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Re: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze 'Jayney Klimek is Australian, not Austrian.' Ok, ok! Austrian / austrialian, sounds alike. So I wasn't that wrong! Anyway, it means my remark on the accent still stands :) Man, I'm still not going to improve my oral comprehension. Thomas. politically correct notice : this post was not intended to hurt anyone's feeling or to mock anyone's culture (cause man, you haven't checked out my accent yet). Furthermore, no austrian or australian has been harmed during... oups... enough now. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Christian Villazón Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:32 pm Subject: Classic Tree Hello, I'd like to know if is it possible to have the classic Tree available for downloading? Christian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37617 Re: Classic Tree matthewsawyer From: John McIntyre Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom tony.vandergaag@p... wrote: > > *Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons' > > Wich was infact the band of Terry Bozzio (ex Zappa drumbeast) and his wife > Dale, formed out of ex-Zappa band members who wanted to try and write/play > 'normal' pop-music. (ofcourse they failed ...... ;-)) Hey, when they played East Lansing, they sold out the Bus Stop venue, something I failed to do the two times I played there. (-8 We ended up standing behind Terry which made me appreciate what a fine drummer he is. And didn't the guitarist go on to join Duran Duran? (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'matthewsawyer ' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:06 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Christian Villazón wrote: > Hello, > I'd like to know if is it possible to have the classic > Tree available for downloading? If some kind soul steps forward and offers 5 gig of webspace to accomodate the SHN files and the necessary bandwidth, then yes. Until then you'll have better luck asking if someone here can do you them on CDR. Maff From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:23 pm Subject: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation >>From: 'Andrew' >Someone with access to a large catalogue of unreleased recordings will be >able to throw a lot of light on this, of course. My impressions from that >time are that the Ricochet tour was already showing similarities in >different concerts. I saw the band at Liverpool Cathedral during that tour, >and I seem to remember parts of that concert on the Ricochet album (though >of course there were things in the concert that they didn't record on the >album). You lucky dog, you. :) Alas I'll probably never see TD live and certainly nothing improvised. Yes, Liverpool has moments in common with the Ricochet release. It's just a coincidence that you attended one of the shows that became part of Ricochet. :) The shows in 1975 generally bore little in common with each other. >So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about 1975, >with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the pieces. Then >continual playing as a band caused a definite move toward playing set >structures, which eventually became fairly fixed pieces by the time Johannes >Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. Edgar or Chris attributed the move to >programmable synthesisers, but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused the >move to happen. With the exception of the early Monolight renditions and nods to Phaedra and Stratosfear heard live at various 1976 shows, there was at least an hour of unreleased music at each of the full 1976 shows (as far as we know, the Berlin Philharmonic show was 31 minutes). Even in 1977 with the recurrence of Cherokee Lane and Monolight from show-to-show, there was still over an hour of improvised music to be heard at just about every show. The 1978 shows all varied around themes from the Cyclone album. IMO there's nothing more boring than 20 minutes of the instrumental bits of Bent Cold Sidewalk. :) Starting in 1980, each show rigidly fit into a 'tour setlist', with the only major variations being Edgar's guitar work near the end of each show in 1980-1981 during encores, etc. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mika Pulkkinen' Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question and a question about 'Sojuz' Hi! You are right, that they are different ones, but the question was about tracks Rubycon (The Decision) on cd 2 and Rubycon (Crossing part) on cd 3. They are identical. :-) My question is about the track 'Sojuz'. Is a drum sample from the song 'Go' by Moby used in it? Sound very similar. Best regards, Mika Pulkkinen ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Janet Wojtecki' To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question > Hi Fred and Michael, > > I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6 > 'dice part' running at 6'03 min and track 9 'crossing point' at 9'32 min. > They are very different cuts. > > Regards Chris From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation That's a very interesting discussion... Just to add a couple of points, I think Peter's thoughts about TD's compositional style and his one or two near-exits from the band may have speeded up the move towards an approach that relied less and less on improvisation; and so may the addition of Johannes in 1980 (who added some classical training and firmer musical structures). Dennis On Wednesday 27 November 2002 9:36 pm, Andrew wrote: > Regarding Dan's comments on the move from improvisation to a more > compositional approach: > > > I think there are probably a few overlapping factors here. > > I remember either Edgar or Chris - Chris, I think - saying in the > early eighties that the advent of programmable synths had been > decisive in making the band move toward a less improvisational > approach on stage. That amused me at the time, because I would > have thought that would make composed pieces more possible, but it > wouldn't necessarily push the band that way unless that was the way > they wanted to go at that point. > > My reading of the situation is that after the first heady couple of > years of improvisational concerts the band found themselves falling > back more and more on things that worked well, and the > improvisational content gradually decreased. That situation became > more the case when Peter Baumann left, but it was probably going to > happen anyway. > > Another factor was the limitation of analogue sequencers. As Dan's > said, advances in sequencers in the eighties meant a certain amount > of pre-planning. On the other hand, though, Chris Franke was > talking during that time about his desire to have as much live > control of the sequencers as possible, and he seemed to be seeing > the new technology as a way of gaining greater control over > pre-programmed cells of music. That still seemed to go with > composed pieces, but with a more live control over the performance > of the pre-composed piece. > > During the seventies I suspect the sequencer rhythms tended to be > the more stable element in the music in terms of pre-planning. > Chris talked then about pre-programmed cells of music that he could > switch between, and the main improvisational possibilities seemed > to be in the switching and in the filter control of tone and > variations in envelope shaping. The latter two elements could be > controlled live much more easily than the pitch and rhythm of the > sequence. > > So the way I read it, by the time Peter left the band there was a > tightening up of the pre-composed element in the live concerts that > had been progressing gradually for a while. Chris wanted to gain > greater freedom with the sequences, but that happened within a > context where the whole band was moving toward tighter structures. > By 1982 Chris was saying things like `we're now back to counting > bars again' (with reference to Chronozon, I think that was). > > Someone with access to a large catalogue of unreleased recordings > will be able to throw a lot of light on this, of course. My > impressions from that time are that the Ricochet tour was already > showing similarities in different concerts. I saw the band at > Liverpool Cathedral during that tour, and I seem to remember parts > of that concert on the Ricochet album (though of course there were > things in the concert that they didn't record on the album). And > there was a film of the Coventry concert (which I'd love to see > again if anyone knows if it's available), which sounded very much > like the stuff on the album. > > The next time I saw the band was three days before Logos was > recorded, and by this time similarities between concerts seemed to > have become near-identicality (if that's a word). What I heard in > Oxford was very close to what was recorded at the Dominion theatre > that weekend. In fact if memory serves me right, the piece that > became known as Dominion would have had to be called Apollo if it > had been recorded at the Oxford Apollo concert, because it was the > same piece both nights. > > So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about > 1975, with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the > pieces. Then continual playing as a band caused a definite move > toward playing set structures, which eventually became fairly fixed > pieces by the time Johannes Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. > Edgar or Chris attributed the move to programmable synthesisers, > but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused the move to happen. > It made it possible, but it could also have made greater > improvisation possible - and in any case Tangerine Dream have never > been inclined to let their instruments dictate how they were going > to approach making music. Even when they were moving toward set > compositions they were still seeking to gain ever greater > flexibility in their control of the elements of the music. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Dan Downey' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation > > > Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone > > from an improvisational method to a more composed > > method? > > > > With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s > > I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting > > of the materials..... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dennis From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? My own mini-poll... Has anyone got any favourites among the versions of Dolphin Dance that are floating about? The version on 'Underwater Sunlight' never did much for me - in fact, the whole album is nice, but not one of my favourites. Chris Franke's version on the 'London Concert' has the best sequencer line in my view, but the lead melody around mid-track is a bit on the corny side for me. So my favourite would have to be the rendition on Livemiles - it's still recognisably DD, but sufficiently fuzzy to be interesting and a great live (well, with Livemiles you never know) contribution. -- Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37622 Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? Stephen Manship billythefish01 Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB 37635 RE : [tadream] Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? Fred Yargui fredyargui Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? I agree with you about the Livemiles version. I love the bit near the beginning when the sequencer breaks into wide-angle stereo - great on headphones. I still prefer the original to the CF version though. Must listen again when I get home! BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > My own mini-poll... > > Has anyone got any favourites among the versions of Dolphin Dance that > are floating about? The version on 'Underwater Sunlight' never did > much for me - in fact, the whole album is nice, but not one of my > favourites. > > Chris Franke's version on the 'London Concert' has the best sequencer > line in my view, but the lead melody around mid-track is a bit on the > corny side for me. > > So my favourite would have to be the rendition on Livemiles - it's > still recognisably DD, but sufficiently fuzzy to be interesting and a > great live (well, with Livemiles you never know) contribution. > -- > Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37635 RE : [tadream] Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? Fred Yargui fredyargui Wed 12/11/2002 3 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/ or e-mail tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > -----Original Message----- > From: frickyohanson [mailto:frickyohanson@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:45 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join? > > > Hi > > I'm new to the site having just discovered it today - can any advice > me on how to apply for the above trees or am I too late? > > I am based in Scotland, have 2 TD shows and would love to increase my > collection. > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation > >So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about 1975, > >with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the pieces. Then > >continual playing as a band caused a definite move toward playing set > >structures, which eventually became fairly fixed pieces by the time >Johannes > >Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. Edgar or Chris attributed the move to > >programmable synthesisers, but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused >the > >move to happen. > >With the exception of the early Monolight renditions and nods to Phaedra >and Stratosfear heard live at various 1976 shows, there was at least an >hour of unreleased music at each of the full 1976 shows (as far as we know, >the Berlin Philharmonic show was 31 minutes). Even in 1977 with the >recurrence of Cherokee Lane and Monolight from show-to-show, there was >still over an hour of improvised music to be heard at just about every >show. ...but even though much of it was unreleased, that doesn't imply it was all original. I'd consider the 2nd sets of Mannheim and Nottingham two different versions of one piece... and frankly, if I only have 5 (the TT ones) out of the dozens of 76 shows and find two pieces so alike, I also believe that the fall tour had also other such common piece structures. That wouldn't require any Supernatural Probabilities... >The 1978 shows all varied around themes from the Cyclone album. IMO there's >nothing more boring than 20 minutes of the instrumental bits of Bent Cold >Sidewalk. :) Well, I find nothing bad in 20 minutes of the instrumental Madrigal Meridian (np), but TT 11 is, errr... zarky. If the other 78 live material was of such musical quality, too, then the problem is not what it's based on; it's that they were not able to derive the ideas correctly. Or to play them fast enough. Since Cyclone did feature a transistion towards more compact pieces, I don't consider this surprizing. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Snowman - Howard Blake I think a similar theme was used in THE KEEP. Original Message: ----------------- From: jmpoer jmpoer@i... Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:43:31 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] The Snowman - Howard Blake Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory. What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember). Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies, remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that. Anyone got the connection? Thanks, John ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty I assumed Martin's comment was a joke. Maybe not! I DO like that track alot... but I have tried playing it on several different CD players and my display jumps around (rather than skips) about 5 seconds ahead and garbles the sound like it is being fast-forwarded. It most certainly isn't a click in sync with the music. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Armin Theissen Armin.Theissen@s... Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:33 +0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty' give me a break! lucky enough that I'm not that keen on that track anyway. armin TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > Dear list, > > here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue: > > 'skipping' on the Melrose Years: > > we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can > be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart' > on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the > song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is > neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a > deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If > you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs > through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen > closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the > tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You > will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on > every one of them. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37650 Re: faulty TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37663 Re: faulty René Brenner fairway_ch Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37667 Re: faulty Stephen Manship billythefish01 Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation Andrew, that was a good review... good job. Dale From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you Martin me not Martin... My admin in my name means Administrator. I am the Administrator of my ISP kay-net.com. I am also a System Administrator of many different companies (computer geek as some would put it)(day job which pays bills and allows me to buy synths to make music). Martin's admin of the forum is a difficult job. I do very similar things with many different web sites for a diverse range of clients. It takes a lot of work and understanding. What TD choose to do isn't making me happy but it's not like I could not understand why. I am just sorry to see it go. At least there is this list still working and Joe should be thanked at least twice a week for keeping it running for as long as it has. (maybe more than twice a week too) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tmaxlo' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: [tadream] Thank you Martin > Sorry to be a bit cheesy but I would like to thank the very human > person behind the 'Admin' name. Today I learnt he is called Martin. > > When I first joined the forum I didn't know who Admin were. Then day > by day I learnt a bit more about them. A person who knows quite a > bit about TD and not just some admin staff who pops in to shuffle > paperwork and tap keys. Found he has been with the band for some > time. So there must be a lot of history we could have discovered > from him - if only we asked the right questions. > > I sympathise with the situation he's been in but we all feel quite > passionate about the TD experience and so it's difficult to curb our > varied opinions. > > I think the forum was good for exchange of useful information and > whilst critism is just as important there should be some form of > control over it. It feels like being in a minority at times as we > can't just ask any old person what they think about TD's latest > whatever, like you could ask someone about Madonnas new image. I > know there are other forums but you know what they say about > home(TDi Home)...'Home is where the heart is' (okay, sorry, too > cheesy) > > Maybe in the future they could collate fans critic over TD's output > and just publish a balanced and proportionate amount of feedback. I > would find a constructive critism of an album useful. Even if its > bad I'll still go and buy it! > > Thank you Admin, Martin or Darth. Whoever you are. I hope you've > still got some work to do now we're off your back?!! > > MaxLo > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37649 Re: Thank you Martin TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree speak to Morgan.... I am holding off for a bit more to put anything on FTP... for public use. If I did, it would have to be login and pw for sure. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Christian Villazón' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree > Hello, > I'd like to know if is it possible to have the classic > Tree available for downloading? > > Christian > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner for home use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a head count to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now for business use. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Herbert' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > Hi Collin, > did you get any response on your mail? > I might have missed that thing too. > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he > would do some DVD using a new hardware. > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some). > > Thanks > Herbert > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...] > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > Hi Colin, > > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... > > Kind regards, > Roger > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we > would > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > > absolute TD diamond. > > Many Thanks > > Colin South Wales UK > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37632 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Stephen Manship billythefish01 Wed 12/11/2002 5 KB 37643 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 6 KB 37645 Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree gkopuy gkopuy Thu 12/12/2002 5 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke rr.r.r.r.rr.rrr warm and fuzzzzzzyyy all over.... rrr.r.r.r.r.rrrrrrr makes me good eye water..... ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke > At 15:55 10.12.02, you wrote: > >...blah, blah, blah...and I > >really don't think Martin likes any of us.. > > *Oh but I loooooveeee you! > > ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:12 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree I would definitely be up for DVDs although I am not sure if my player (pretty standard) can play DVD-Rs. There is a new generation of DVD burners / hard disk recorders just hitting the markets now with prices as low as 500 UKP, so I will definitely be upgrading in the next 12 months or so. I had 60 CDs before I purchased my first CD player! Rgds, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: > Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner for home > use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a head count > to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now for > business use. > > Dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Herbert' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > > Hi Collin, > > did you get any response on your mail? > > I might have missed that thing too. > > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he > > would do some DVD using a new hardware. > > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some). > > > > Thanks > > Herbert > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...] > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56 > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > > > > Hi Colin, > > > > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the > > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy > > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of > > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... > > > > Kind regards, > > Roger > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort > > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we > > would > > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > > > absolute TD diamond. > > > Many Thanks > > > Colin South Wales UK > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'goozergrafx ' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:39 pm Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'jmpoer' wrote: > Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory. > > What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman' > and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember). > > Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies, > remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that. > > Anyone got the connection? > > Thanks, > > John The Keep endtheme is more than loosely based on the song 'Walking on the Air' aka the 'Theme from the Snowman.' This was deliberate. Michael Mann asked for it. From: Chris Richards Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Re: live improv during 75-76 era <> I kinda had the same thought listening to the 75-76 era tapes that I've acquired over that last few years...it seems like there's a basic outline of a performance that they had...like, having general ideas...'Start with the sustained organ/ mellotron textures, then have the fast sequencer bit come in at a certain point, then segue into the solo piano bit', etc. While there's still a lot of freedom there, and presumably, a great deal of ad libbing from one performance to the next, it seems like they had a rough frame work they used for each night of a given tour, as opposed to doing something completely different on each performance. It kinda reminds me of the 68-69 era Grateful Dead shows, where, most of the time, they'd play Dark Star, then segue into St Stephen, then follow that with The Eleven (which in turn would usually segue into Turn On Your Lovelight). Though they did the same songs in the same order a lot of times, there was still a lot of different musical things they could differently each time. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: RE : [tadream] Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? Hello, Dreamers ! My fav DD piece is the one 'extended' live version on Reichstag Concert. I love it when the airplane passes through and then the song restarts and fades with a nice sequencer line... Cheers, Fred > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Stephen Manship > [mailto:mudspanker@y...] > Envoyé : mercredi 11 décembre 2002 16:16 > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > Objet : [tadream] Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance? > > I agree with you about the Livemiles version. I love the bit near the > beginning when the sequencer breaks into wide-angle stereo - great on > headphones. > > I still prefer the original to the CF version though. > > Must listen again when I get home! > > BTF > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > My own mini-poll... > > > > Has anyone got any favourites among the versions of Dolphin Dance > th(snip) From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New here :-) Hi and welcome............ Hopefully you will enjoy this forum. I have been listening to TD since mid 70' and yes....................it is very beautiful.............=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'goatsong99' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: [tadream] New here :-) > Hi all. I had stumbled opon the TD website about a month back, > joined the forum, and then the next day it was gone.. *sigh* > Then I noticed that all of my postings in the guestbook were removed > since last night. So here I am, after seeing someone post this about > this list. > I first got into them when watching Legend, and have since gotten a > few odd bootleg cds via mp3 trading. Beautiful is the only way to > describe their sound! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37642 Re: New here :-) Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:39:02 -0000 'goozergrafx ' writes: >>What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The >>Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to >>remember). >The Keep endtheme is more than loosely based on the song >'Walking on the Air' aka the 'Theme from the Snowman.' Less than loosely based, morelike. ;) >This was deliberate. Michael Mann asked for it. I can see why, seeing as the orginal intended (?) ending has Glaeken literally floating in the air down into the bottom of the keep before he is revived. -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster of the KEEP website at http://thekeep.0catch.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: David Butler Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:09 pm Subject: Forumandcoke, no ice Martin's reply: >*Oh but I loooooveeee you! >;-) >Best regards, >Martin Kasprzak I assume that he means me and only me, sorry guys. I see that no one answered the question of what 'Ground Liftaz' was...I guess she doesn't make it to the official TD website very often. So anyway, I am loving my new locale. For those of you that have no idea where San Rafael is, here's a clue. You are standing in the center of the Golden Gate Bridge, yeah, the big orange one near San Francisco, you jump in your car and drive 10 miles north on Highway 101 and you're there. For those of you that are Star Wars or Industrial Light and Magic fans or have seen the credits of any movie that Lucasfilm is involved with, you'll notice that it always says Marin County California, that's where I am. Okay, anybody care? Anyway...any other listees in this area that might want to get together and talk TD? I remember some guy named Benson who's in Berkeley...Alan you out there? I am just so jazzed that Martin loves ME....David NP...No time to play anything, studying for my Cisco Systems Network Administrator test. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37640 Re: Forumandcoke, no ice Admin dale1kay Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Improvisation I agree this is a great discussion perhaps along the lines of what TD was hoping they would have on the forum. Given time, I think they would have. After all, look at what shenanigans this list and the uwp list has been through to finally become a much better vehicle of information sharing (to be fair, I don't know what the uwp list was like in the beginning but the ending sure was spectacular!). Joe is to be congratulated on creating a site and maintaining a certain decorum without being too heavy handed. Some thoughts on improvisation. I think in the beginning when everything was so brand new, almost anything they did together created a feeling of excitement among audience and band alike (possible exception: Ponts de Ce which to me has to be the most boring concert possible). There was a lot of weird sounds or bird calls with almost no organized musical theme at all or very minimal. Improvisation would be easier in a setting that demanded almost nothing at all. However, over time I believe band members probably got bored themselves with no structure. After all, how many bloops and bleeps can you do without finding a path through them? But this created a problem. Here you have three musicians, supposedly without a program, in front of an audience that could crucify them, trying to come up with something new. I think there had to be a frustration factor when someone would start out with an idea on stage, but nobody else would 'get it' and it would fail after a few misplaced notes. I especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins with, I presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with the piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the background you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue with a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. Finally, a sequence starts, I presume Franke, and what happens? The others finally come together on something they recognize that they can play, have played together: Sorcerer. So, structure became almost a habit, or at least the leanings in that direction, just for survival. All IMO of course. NP: Ricochet, studio structure out of chaos As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Dennis Nigbur >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation >Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:06 +0000 > >That's a very interesting discussion... > >Just to add a couple of points, I think Peter's thoughts about TD's >compositional style and his one or two near-exits from the band may >have speeded up the move towards an approach that relied less and >less on improvisation; and so may the addition of Johannes in 1980 >(who added some classical training and firmer musical structures). > >Dennis _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37644 Re: Improvisation John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37656 Re: Improvisation Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37688 Re: Improvisation Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37722 Re: Improvisation Adele Outland outlanda60 Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke, no ice Well I was born in Martinez... not far from you huh? Next time I am up in that area, its only a few hundred miles to the north, I might give you note. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Butler' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: [tadream] Forumandcoke, no ice > Martin's reply: > > >*Oh but I loooooveeee you! > > >;-) > > > >Best regards, > > >Martin Kasprzak > > I assume that he means me and only me, sorry guys. I > see that no one answered the question of what 'Ground > Liftaz' was...I guess she doesn't make it to the > official TD website very often. So anyway, I am loving > my new locale. For those of you that have no idea > where San Rafael is, here's a clue. You are standing > in the center of the Golden Gate Bridge, yeah, the big > orange one near San Francisco, you jump in your car > and drive 10 miles north on Highway 101 and you're > there. For those of you that are Star Wars or > Industrial Light and Magic fans or have seen the > credits of any movie that Lucasfilm is involved with, > you'll notice that it always says Marin County > California, that's where I am. Okay, anybody care? > Anyway...any other listees in this area that might > want to get together and talk TD? I remember some guy > named Benson who's in Berkeley...Alan you out there? I > am just so jazzed that Martin loves ME....David > > NP...No time to play anything, studying for my Cisco > Systems Network Administrator test. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'marc todd' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:30 am Subject: Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track Hi All, Word is that 'Ruling the Waves' will be available at TDI for download. This is great news of course, but I wonder if it would be too much to ask if TDI uploads the missing Rubycon track from Tangents as well. On another note, I like the Melrose box quite well. Some of the tracks I didn't like the first time around I still don't like, but the tracks I do like I like even more with the additions. Cheers, Marc _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37646 Re: Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37676 Re: Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37647 Re: Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track PERGAMON pergamondk Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New here :-) Thanks :-) So far it's been interesting reading to say the least! As for the 70's, I wasn't even though of yet..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:56 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] New here :-) Hi and welcome............ Hopefully you will enjoy this forum. I have been listening to TD since mid 70' and yes....................it is very beautiful.............=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'goatsong99' To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: [tadream] New here :-) > Hi all. I had stumbled opon the TD website about a month back, > joined the forum, and then the next day it was gone.. *sigh* > Then I noticed that all of my postings in the guestbook were removed > since last night. So here I am, after seeing someone post this about > this list. > I first got into them when watching Legend, and have since gotten a > few odd bootleg cds via mp3 trading. Beautiful is the only way to > describe their sound! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree I wouls like to have one, as I have a fairly extensive MP3 music collection... -but- until the price of the discs drop drastically, it wouldn't matter if the burner was very inexpensive, because I wouln't be able to use it! lol As it is, I won't pay more then $0.04 a piece for a cd-r. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:02 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner for home use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a head count to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now for business use. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Herbert' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > Hi Collin, > did you get any response on your mail? > I might have missed that thing too. > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he > would do some DVD using a new hardware. > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some). > > Thanks > Herbert > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...] > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > Hi Colin, > > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... > > Kind regards, > Roger > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we > would > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > > absolute TD diamond. > > Many Thanks > > Colin South Wales UK > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Improvisation >After all, look at what shenanigans this list and the uwp list has been >through to finally become a much better vehicle of information sharing (to >be fair, I don't know what the uwp list was like in the beginning but the >ending sure was spectacular!). The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to see this 'spectacular ending'? >I think there had to be >a frustration factor when someone would start out with an idea on stage, >but >nobody else would 'get it' and it would fail after a few misplaced notes. I >especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins with, >I >presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with >the >piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the background >you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue >with >a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. So that would leave Chris on the piano... not very probable. --- There's a similar effect on the beginning of part 1: (still on Me-Rad / TT vol.1) During the long 'silence' before the sequence from Monolight starts, there's several quirky clicks and whooshes if you listen carefully. Some sort of muted Mellotron intro, or just some leftover tuning voices? Also, the end of Saarbrücken pt 2 (TT vol.13) has these common end piece- voices (also in Mannheim pt 1, TT vol.7 pt 3, TT vol.1 pt 2) but someone still goes on a couple of minutes with those metallic rustles... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'gkopuy ' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:39 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree Hi Dale, Do you mean the DVD Digital Tree initiative of Duncan or something else. Because the DVD Digital Tree of Duncan is about 13 video concerts and you can't put them on a CDR without any consequence. In order to put them on a CDR you do have to convert the video-files to a DIVX format which can only be played on a PC... An other good idea is to sent the SHN-files of a 'normal' Tangerine Tree on a DVD-R/+R disc. One complete tree might even fit on 1 disc. This would greatly reduce the snail mail costs and burning 1 DVD disc is faster than 5 CDR discs with SHN-files. In TT3 I signed up as a branch for SHN-files but, if it is okay, I'll sent those files on DVD disk to the leaves. Regards, Roger --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: > Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner for home > use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a head count > to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now for > business use. > > Dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Herbert' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > > Hi Collin, > > did you get any response on your mail? > > I might have missed that thing too. > > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he > > would do some DVD using a new hardware. > > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some). > > > > Thanks > > Herbert > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...] > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56 > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > > > > Hi Colin, > > > > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the > > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy > > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of > > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... > > > > Kind regards, > > Roger > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort > > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we > > would > > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > > > absolute TD diamond. > > > Many Thanks > > > Colin South Wales UK > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track >Hi All, >Word is that 'Ruling the Waves' will be available at TDI for download. This >is great news of course, but I wonder if it would be too much to ask if TDI >uploads the missing Rubycon track from Tangents as well. >On another note, I like the Melrose box quite well. Some of the tracks I >didn't like the first time around I still don't like, but the tracks I do >like I like even more with the additions. >Cheers, >Marc Could I suggest TDI not to offer Ruling the Waves freely... only against some order details or something, so the box won't lose its attractivity? (?) I don't know if this is possible, but anyway. [Note: I don't myself have the set, so no selfliness accusations please] John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37676 Re: Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track > Could I suggest TDI not to offer Ruling the Waves freely... only against > some order details or something, so the box won't lose its attractivity? (?) > I don't know if this is possible, but anyway. > [Note: I don't myself have the set, so no selfliness accusations please] > John Vertical I fail to see why it should loose its attractivity????????.............The box is actually attractive because of a wrong track. And TD is for once giving something freely to their fans and then you want it not to be..................... Have you been eating something you shouldn't..............=O).................... Regards Jan From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty yes - it seems pretty obvious that they don't want to go through correcting and exchanging all the Melrose CD, and just stating that it was intentional. Which I firmly believe is not true. That mega sucks - and thats the first time I ever say that. armin michaeljean@e... wrote: > I assumed Martin's comment was a joke. Maybe not! > > I DO like that track alot... but I have tried playing it on several > different CD players and my display jumps around (rather than skips) about > 5 seconds ahead and garbles the sound like it is being fast-forwarded. It > most certainly isn't a click in sync with the music. > > MJ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Armin Theissen Armin.Theissen@s... > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:33 +0000 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty' > > > > give me a break! > > lucky enough that I'm not that keen on that track anyway. > > armin > > > > TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > >>Dear list, >> >>here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the >> > 'skipping'-issue: > >>'skipping' on the Melrose Years: >> >>we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that >> > can > >>be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at >> > Heart' > >>on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of >> > the > >>song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is >>neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a >>deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. >> > If > >>you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD >> > runs > >>through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen >>closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the >>tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You >>will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on >>every one of them. >> >> >>Best regards, >> >>Martin Kasprzak >>TDI- Music- Support. >>Tel:-49-30-23620995 >>Fax:-49-30-23620996 >> >>Visit our Website at: >> >>http://www.tangerinedream.org >> >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you Martin >Joe should be thanked at least >twice a week for keeping it running for as long as it has. (maybe more than >twice a week too) I second that! THANK YOU JOE :-)!!!! Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty At 11:39 11.12.02, you wrote: >I assumed Martin's comment was a joke. Maybe not! *Not really, if you interpret it in the sense that I do not take any of this personal... No love lost, no matter how much you bicker... (now I´m back into Joy Division quotes ... harf) Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in to us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37663 Re: faulty René Brenner fairway_ch Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37667 Re: faulty Stephen Manship billythefish01 Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:23 am Subject: Last word on the forum issue? Well, I've been lingering in lurk mode for some time, but when I got back from that weekend when the whole thing cropped up, I thought I'll add my thoughts. When the forum started up I duly applied for my password, but I never got round to making a contribution. I tended to be rather put off with some of the comments that were made there and thus I never felt like contributing, except maybe I should have said 'For god's sake!!! WILL YOU ALL JUST GROW UP!!!' It got to the point where I was making the analogy of TDI being a corporation, with Edgar and Jerome as the Board of directors, and the fans being the shareholders. When the directors started to make decisions much to the displeasure of the shareholders, they objected, and they did so publically, knowing that as shareholders, they should have the power to oust the board for making such 'rash' decisions - but they know they can't. (The only trouble is that the fans are not shareholders, but many are beginning to seriously believe that they should be, and that they should now be party to the band's decision making process. They are now actively demanding Edgar and Jerome should do this, that, or the other and that they, the fans, know better). The problem is that TD find themselves in a unique position. They have put together an extraordinary number of albums in a very short space of time, and inevitably out of all the beauty some do not reach expectations. But even out of all so called disappointing albums - there are disagreements among the 'shareholders'. I'm not keen on 'Tyranny of Beauty' but many love it for being different, while in my opinion 'Tyger' is one of the best works of anybody but is derided for the sole reason that it has vocals. The vocal 'Shareholders' demand that TD should never, ever do vocals again; They should go back to their roots and improvise again; Get Chris Franke back; Never, ever, under ANY circumstances touch old material (Paul Stump even uses the 'term' 'interfere' on Tangents, which IMO is grossly unfair because on the whole EF did a pretty good job); and so on. IMHO, I think it was a mistake to open up a forum and be subject to all the negativity (who says anything if it works?). What, I think, everyone has missed the point is that the music of TD is (to use an analogy again) a journey which started at 'Electronic Meditation' and is still going with plenty of fuel supplies. The difference is that they're not using the motorway to their final destination (Every album sounding like 'Phaedra and Rubycon') but are visiting some interesting cities (Cyclone, Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty etc), some little villages (Stratosfear, Optical Race), some beautiful scenary (Hyperborea, White Eagle, Oasis), stop on the way for the occasional rest (Canyon Dreams, Seven Letters of Tibet), visit a few galleries (Inferno, Transiberia) and so on. If they just took the motorway, the journey would have finished many years ago. I for one want them to continue the journey and am looking forward to receiving the Melrose set after everybody's positive comments (apart from, of course, that track problem which EF says is ok but some of us don't want to believe). I do have to give a lot of credit to Joe for looking after this group and, I have to say many of the contributors who on the whole have shown they are grown up and IF they have to criticise, they do it in a constructive way. Also to you Martin, I admire your patience and am happy that you do see us as a pretty sensible bunch and that we can be trusted. You are our link with the band and we have to ensure that you remain with us willingly. Okay, I think that's it... I hope everyone understood what I was trying to say (I think I do, I hope!) so back to lurk mode, unless I have to answer any comments made... or maybe start this thread: If every TD album were destinations on a long journey that will end when the creativity fuel runs out, what would they be? Regards Roger Hartopp NP: Kraftwerk 'Computer World'... --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Dobry adres nie jest zly! Badz soba! Wybierz wlasna domene! http://domeny.onet.pl/oferta_domeny.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37657 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37665 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 12/12/2002 7 KB 37671 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Roger Hartopp gmroger Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37709 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/13/2002 6 KB 37674 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37689 Re: Last word on the forum issue? John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37694 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:43 am Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory. What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember). Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies, remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that. Anyone got the connection? Thanks, John Hi John, The theme from 'The Snowman' (arranged by TD) was played over the closing titles of the film. Incidentally (as far as I am aware) this film is the only instance where TD use two non-original pieces (the other being 'Gloria Theme' which was cpmposed many many years ago by Thomas Tallis). Incidentally, 'Keep' fans in Britain - The said movie is being shown on Sky Cinema 2 at 11.00pm on Boxing Day! - Roger Hartopp --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:30 am Subject: The Keep Goddamn digests... ;-0 >>What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The >>Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to >>remember). >The Keep endtheme is more than loosely based on the song >'Walking on the Air' aka the 'Theme from the Snowman.' Less than loosely based, morelike. ;) >This was deliberate. Michael Mann asked for it. I can see why, seeing as the orginal intended (?) ending has Glaeken literally floating in the air down into the bottom of the keep before he is revived. --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Swieta tuz tuz! http://swieta.onet.pl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:52 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell into my TD basket: :-) Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM broadcast, 2 cdr Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape copy, 2 cdr Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM broadcast, 1 cdr Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2 cdr Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience recording, 1 cdr Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986 audience master tape copy, 2 cdr Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2 cdr Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape copy, 2 cdr This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days, distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days? ;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar & Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig? ~lol~ regards Heiko P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on the East coast. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37658 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 12/12/2002 5 KB 37659 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook alysoun@c... alysoun68 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37660 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37661 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37666 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37668 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB 37669 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook olle.rundgren@s... olovur2 Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB 37678 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/12/2002 5 KB 37680 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:33 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! Hi There Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!! (see Informations below - after signature) I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks. So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III. Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree System Distribution. Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you will soon be abble to download the artworks through his website. More information will follow. I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set is fabulous with very great music. I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... What do you think about this ? You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams Disc 1 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) (c) Olyam Music Production visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur' 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) (c) Nightbirds 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) (c) P. Ellis 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) (c) Sensorial recordings visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) (c) Mirage Créations 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - Stephen Fletcher) (c) Dream Conspiracy visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) (c) Ionic 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) (c) G. Jobim 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) (c) R. Rollins Disc 2 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) (c) Pergamon 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) (c) O. Briand 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) (c) F. Yargui 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) (c) A. Stocker 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) (c) M. McMillan 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) (c) 3N 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) (c) G. Hemery visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information. 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) (c) J. Owens Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List Project managed by Yannick Edom Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion Artwork : Yannick Edom Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse (France) The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam (www.olyam.com) Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every musicians in this project. (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37673 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - R PERGAMON pergamondk Thu 12/12/2002 6 KB 37675 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - R Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/12/2002 7 KB 37677 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - R Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/12/2002 7 KB 37679 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - R alysoun@c... alysoun68 Thu 12/12/2002 6 KB 37684 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - R PERGAMON pergamondk Thu 12/12/2002 7 KB 37702 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - R Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 12/13/2002 2 KB 37708 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - jerome ssaalyersjj Fri 12/13/2002 2 KB 37710 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - Matthew Stringer Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels ' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:47 pm Subject: Re: Improvisation --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Adele Outland' wrote: > > However, over time I believe band members probably got bored themselves with > no structure. I still see lots of structure in the recordings of 73/74/75. Only it's a bit looser, they make new ideas on the fly around that structure. > I > especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins with, I > presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with the > piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the background > you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue with > a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. Finally, a sequence > starts, I presume Franke, and what happens? The others finally come together > on something they recognize that they can play, have played together: > Sorcerer. So, structure became almost a habit, or at least the leanings in > that direction, just for survival. It is exactly those crashing, stopping and starting weird things that I like about older TD. These weird passages where they are finding their way. Maybe it's the 'struggle' that I like, I don't know. It all sounds so smooth and right on the 'count' these days (I'm not talking about TD in particular)...maybe thats why I listen to a lot of progrock these days. Oh well, maybe a VST struggle plugin will be released. You/we can only guess why TD went more to structured, what I or you say about it is not a fact. :-) > All IMO of course. Ah okay. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37688 Re: Improvisation Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Last word on the forum issue? On Thursday 12 December 2002 11:23 am, Roger Hartopp wrote: > (The only trouble is that the fans are not shareholders, but many > are beginning to seriously believe that they should be, and that > they should now be party to the band's decision making process. > They are now actively demanding Edgar and Jerome should do this, > that, or the other and that they, the fans, know better). Well said, Roger. What's worse is that too many of those unhelpful and inappropriate demands may ultimately cause TD to become rather disillusioned with making music for their listeners altogether, and we really don't want that. > What, I think, everyone has missed the point is that the music of > TD is (to use an analogy again) a journey which started at > 'Electronic Meditation' and is still going with plenty of fuel > supplies. The difference is that they're not using the motorway to > their final destination (Every album sounding like 'Phaedra and > Rubycon') but are visiting some interesting cities (Cyclone, > Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty etc), some little villages (Stratosfear, > Optical Race), some beautiful scenary (Hyperborea, White Eagle, > Oasis), stop on the way for the occasional rest (Canyon Dreams, > Seven Letters of Tibet), visit a few galleries (Inferno, > Transiberia) and so on. A good analogy. Personally, I must admit that I do feel a bit overwhelmed by the mushrooming of new material recently, and struggle to make sense of it all in the greater context of TD's musical development (or their 'journey', as you fittingly describe it). But no matter what one's personal opinion is on recent experiments like the Dream Mixes, Seven Letters, Inferno or whatever, I would feel sad if TD stopped doing them. -- Dennis From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface? This is such an unknown period... Brussels 1980 is probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ? cheers armin Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell > into my TD basket: :-) > > Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM > broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr > Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM > broadcast, 2 cdr > Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape > copy, 2 cdr > Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM > broadcast, 1 cdr > Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2 > cdr > Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience > recording, 1 cdr > Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr > Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986 > audience master tape copy, 2 cdr > Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2 > cdr > Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape > copy, 2 cdr > > This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days, > distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment > structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late > January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these > fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days? > ;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for > the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar & > Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig? > ~lol~ > > regards > Heiko > > P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will > be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it > doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on > the East coast. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Heiko: A good fruit takes a while to come into season. We can be patient until it is ripe for the picking. Allison > > From: Heiko Heerssen > Date: 2002/12/12 Thu AM 07:52:43 EST > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > > Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell > into my TD basket: :-) > > Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM > broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr > Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM > broadcast, 2 cdr > Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape > copy, 2 cdr > Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM > broadcast, 1 cdr > Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2 > cdr > Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience > recording, 1 cdr > Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr > Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986 > audience master tape copy, 2 cdr > Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2 > cdr > Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape > copy, 2 cdr > > This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days, > distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment > structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late > January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these > fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days? > ;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for > the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar & > Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig? > ~lol~ > > regards > Heiko > > P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will > be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it > doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on > the East coast. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any > chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface? as you will know there aren't many fan or broadcast recordings which cover the early period of TD. But rest assured that sooner or later recordings like Cologne 1972, Ponts de Ce 1973, or Essen 1968 will find its way on either the Tangerine Tree or on Tangerine leaves. Sometimes it's difficult to find out who has the best available source for a certain concert, and especially for the 'vintage' concerts I will only release concerts where the tape has a generation which is close to the master. > This is such an unknown period... Brussels 1980 is > probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ? Nostrasgram was a 'condensed' 1 CDR version of Brussels 1980, the Tree version contains the complete concert and has been remastered again. regards Heiko From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook great. I have Nostrasgram, and it says on the cover that the full concert would be available as a fan tape. Glad to get the full thing, I love this concert, both for the actual music and because the Duesseldorf concert of that tour two or three days before or after the Brussels concert was the first TD concert I was on... (the first 'rock' concert I was on anyway...) I think there is absolutely no recording of the Duesseldorf show - which is maybe good from Johannes Schmoelling's point of view because he made a mistake in there, mixing in a sequence too early and abruptly mixing it out again... The tour was extended later, and I saw it again in Aachen in January 1981. I have three pictures on it on my website - maybe you want to use this for the cover... ;-) http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/aachen/tdac.html cheers armin Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > >>Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any >>chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface? >> > > as you will know there aren't many fan or broadcast recordings which cover the > early period of TD. But rest assured that sooner or later recordings like > Cologne 1972, Ponts de Ce 1973, or Essen 1968 will find its way on either the > Tangerine Tree or on Tangerine leaves. Sometimes it's difficult to find out who > has the best available source for a certain concert, and especially for the > 'vintage' concerts I will only release concerts where the tape has a generation > which is close to the master. > > >>This is such an unknown period... Brussels 1980 is >>probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ? >> > > Nostrasgram was a 'condensed' 1 CDR version of Brussels 1980, the Tree version > contains the complete concert and has been remastered again. > > regards > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III Hello everyone: Thanks to Yannick for all his hard work!! As usual, this will be a Redbook CDR tree, with artwork to be downloaded by each participant. Once it's available Yannick and/or Fred will let us know. If downloading it is impossible for you, make arrangements through your branch in the tree. As for the tree, please contact me if you'd like to participate at trichmond@b... Please include the following: Full name email address Snail mail address (at least city,state/country so I can organize things) Whether you prefer to be a leaf of branch If you prefer branch status, let me know how many leaves you can support Please note the following: a) I don't have the discs yet, so it'll be a bit. Plus, it's the holidays - I have a life, and I presume most of you do as well. Expect things to get moving after the first of the year. b) If this tree is like the last two, there will be more branch requests then needed. It's nothing personal if you end up as a leaf instead of a branch. If there are latecomers, they'll be sent your way. c) The preferred transaction is an even trade between branch and leaf, but whatever is acceptable to both parties is OK. Best not to put cash in the mail, though. d) I'd hope to close sign-ups shortly after the holidays, say January 3rd, and have the tree organized the following week. e) I have a short list of participants who'd emailed me previously via the tadream website link for DWT II. I won't be offended if you sign up again, but it's not required. If you're not sure, best to sign up again. If you have any questions, give a shout at trichmond@b... Note that I'm away from this PC between Christmas Eve and New Years Day, so messages sent during that time won't get a response (unless I'm REAL bored) until the new year. Happy Holidays! Tom ____________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38044 Dreamwatchers' Tales III Tom Richmond tmrichmond53051 Thu 1/2/2003 3 KB From: René Brenner Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in to > us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the > ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping) Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have on their cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players have different error-detection handling for some this signal could be irritating and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not compatible with old hardware? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37667 Re: faulty Stephen Manship billythefish01 Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Episode III - Artworks Low Res files online !!! Hi again You can now see the front cover artworks in the yahoogroups files section of Tadream mailing list. So check these two links (under folder DWT) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/DWT/CD-FINAL-COVER.gif It's the cover for the regular 2CDRs set http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/DWT/CD-PROMO-COVER.gif It's the cover for the very limited preview CDR for the musicians ONLY also available soon by Tom Richmond. As you can see this time i turn more surrealistic. Waiting for your reactions Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Last word on the forum issue? I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised music with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so short-sighted and is the latest party line from the Edgar apologists. Improvised live music is not folly. Actually it is an indication of bravery and respect for the audience. I've said and still feel that current TD output is overcomposed and is put together in a cut-and-paste fashion. Whereas TD may have used preset sounds in the 1980's, they used these simple sounds as raw materials and had to do a lot of work to turn it into a musical piece. Now, TD uses entire preset samples and rhythm loops. I've heard entire rhythm sequences from the Dream Mixes albums in infomercials and heard the majority of the rhythm sequences used on Dream Mixes III (especially the Comfort Zone [Logos], Prime Time, and The Spirit of the Czar [Poland]) in a Sherlock Holmes TV movie on USA Network entitled 'Case of Evil'. I was amazed (I really shouldn't be) when Edgar described the sequences of the 1970's as (paraphrasing) 'We would set a sequencer going and then we had to stay within the confines of that sequence.' He also made some comments implying that the sequencer did not change very much. I see these comments as a slap in the face to Chris Franke. The fact is, I have yet to hear someone change a sequence so dramatically within the span of a few minutes to accommodate a changing melody and rhythm line. Marcel of FSP has done some very nice sequence changes too. Something I wish TD would try to do live. I think part of my respect for the older TD is that the music was daring. The music had composing challenges. And most of all, it was not overcomposed. There was breathing space around the music. Every theme was given due course to develop before going on to the next sequence. Compare 20 minutes of Logos to the 5 minute Optical Race title track. Optical Race covers more musical ground (very poorly I might add) than Logos does in 20 minutes. And more importantly, there is no longer any breathing room for the ears. Have you ever found yourself humming a theme from Logos, Le Parc, etc. and then when you play back the album, you realize you have added your own notes that were not present in the original music? It sounds so subtle, so trivial, but this is one of the things TD has lost over the years. As for the forum and releasing concert recordings 'unharmed', as has been said before, Tangents and Dream Roots are Edgar's boxed sets to do with what he wants. They are reworked and recomposed versions of music we already have available to us in the original (or as close to it as possible) form. But with the iBox, Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, and even Antique Dreams, we are not given a chance to get the music as it originally sounded. We are only given one choice, the remixed version which pays no respects to the compositional involvement of the original artists. It appears clear now that Edgar remixes and recomposes all these releases so that he gets an increased compositional credit and higher % of the release. What a shame that Edgar who has expressed his frustration at the record labels for 25 years is resorting to the same tactics he despised so much in them. Also it appears that Edgar is not willing to pay for talented people to check and doublecheck sound quality, the typography, etc. on each release. I hope I am wrong about all these things and that the last 6 years of fiasco releases have all been honest mistakes. But the mountain of evidence is growing. People will read this and ask, 'why are you subscribed to this list, you are a fair-weather TD fan who just stirs up trouble.' Well, the answer is #1, people often ask questions trying to demystify the labeling of so many albums and to better understand specific concerts, etc. And #2 I am a TD fan, even if I only like part of the catalogue. Furthermore, there IS a place here for discussion about the times and the recordings that put TD on the map. If TD were all about Optical Race, Melrose, and Tyranny of Beauty, sure they'd have some fans. They'd be recognized as just another member of the electronic music community, creating pleasant, but not groundbreaking music. But it is the pioneering work that TD did as a diametrically opposed trio (3 artists with different ideas and directions creating wonderful music) that got TD put on the map and on the radio. I'm looking back on what I just typed. What a disjointed posting! Anyway, if someone can make some sense out of Edgar's release decisions over the last 6 years, I'd like to hear it. He is willing to release some old material, but he's not willing to do it the 'right' way (in my opinion). Is it artistic vision? Is it to get a bigger piece of the profits? Is it to satisfy a record label's demand? It's not that Edgar should see us as shareholders. It's that Edgar should ask himself why he feels the need to treat his fans so differently and so oddly compared to how other artists treat their fans. -Morgan a TD fan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37671 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Roger Hartopp gmroger Thu 12/12/2002 4 KB 37709 Re: Last word on the forum issue? Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Fri 12/13/2002 6 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook >Heiko Heerssen said: >Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape >copy, 2 cdr Woo hoo! Bring on the 1976 shows. :) The sound quality on this should be exceptional. >Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr Curious to hear how much clearer this is than my current version. >Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape >copy, 2 cdr Yesssss!!!! So now we have one excellent recording of every tour from 1980-1982. 1980.01.31 Palast der Republik (Tangerine Tree 17) 1980.10.13 Brussels (replaces 'Nostragram') 1981.02.02 Paris Bataclan (Tangerine Tree 14) 1981.10.25 Newcastle (Tangerine Tree 10) 1982.03.01 Melbourne, Australia (Strange Attractions) 1982.10.31 Croydon Fairfield Hall (Tangerine Tree 12) 1982.11.15 Berlin ICC (Classic Tree/KA repl. Logotypes) Heiko, All I can say is excellent job and it's really worth all the effort! -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:06 pm Subject: Re: faulty --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, René Brenner wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in to > > us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the > > ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping) > > Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have on their > cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players have > different error-detection handling for some this signal could be irritating > and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not compatible > with old hardware? This makes a lot of sense, as my copy skips in my older machine (1995 vintage) and not in my brand new player, where it is only ticking. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook >From: Armin Theissen >Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:48 am >Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook >Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any >chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface? >This is such an unknown period... The Tangerine Trees are not new recordings per se. They are the best possible tape (usually struck from the master audience or FM radio tape) which has not been heard outside of a small circle of 5-6 diehard TD collectors with high-end analogue transfer equipment. So far, the Tangerine Tree releases have generally beaten the pants off the previously widely distributed fantape/bootleg. I believe the list of recordings from 1968-1973 stands at 8 and would only be revisited by the Tangerine Tree if a better tape comes forward than the one generally in circulation. The 8 recordings from 1968 are listed here: (look for the Yes in the far right column) http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/68-74.html The Chichester Festival (Oedipus Tyrannus) has been mentioned as a possible future TT release, but Heiko might surprise us with another rare recording. :) -Morgan np. Nov 22, 1976 >Brussels 1980 is >probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > From: Heiko Heerssen Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM >broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr This recording is just fabulous. Anyone who's used to hearing Staatsgrenze West and/or White Cloths is in for a tremendous surprise. /Olle From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty hi, skipping or not, I don't think that the ticking noise can be truly intended. Its exactly the same ticking you get when it skips, spoils the listening experience, and IMHO cannot be part of the music. This one makes me really going through the roof, not so much the fact that the track is screwed up, but that those who messed it up state that it is intended. armin Stephen Manship wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, René Brenner > wrote: > >>On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak >> > wrote: > >>>Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send >>> > it in to > >>>us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have >>> > the > >>>ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping) >>> >>Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have >> > on their > >>cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players >> > have > >>different error-detection handling for some this signal could be >> > irritating > >>and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not >> > compatible > >>with old hardware? >> > > This makes a lot of sense, as my copy skips in my older machine (1995 > vintage) and not in my brand new player, where it is only ticking. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Roger Hartopp ' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Last word on the forum issue? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote: > I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised music > with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so short-sighted > and is the latest party line from the Edgar apologists... Me, an Edgar apologist? I'm sure you don't mean specifically me, and I do agree with your points, But some people on the forum were just a bit more blunt... > > Improvised live music is not folly. Actually it is an indication of bravery > and respect for the audience. I've said and still feel that current TD > output is overcomposed and is put together in a cut-and-paste fashion. > Whereas TD may have used preset sounds in the 1980's, they used these > simple sounds as raw materials and had to do a lot of work to turn it into > a musical piece. Now, TD uses entire preset samples and rhythm loops. I've > heard entire rhythm sequences from the Dream Mixes albums in infomercials > and heard the majority of the rhythm sequences used on Dream Mixes III > (especially the Comfort Zone [Logos], Prime Time, and The Spirit of the > Czar [Poland]) in a Sherlock Holmes TV movie on USA Network entitled 'Case > of Evil'. It would be terrific if TD, for this special concert in February in London, are able to include an improvised set. This, and Edgar putting his guitar back on would bring the house down... > As for the forum and releasing concert recordings 'unharmed', as has been > said before, Tangents and Dream Roots are Edgar's boxed sets to do with > what he wants... At the time Edgar didn't want to do so. But Virgin told him that they would do a remix job so rather they touch it he would do so. It's a shame though that Chris and Johannes weren't involved, but what was done was okay and with 'Permagon' (the piano part) wasan improvement. Then Castle Communications got into the act. Admittedly trying to explain what was done on 'Soundmill' is next to impossible, but maybe Edgar felt at the time that, rather like an old home video, it could be better edited with a few extras thrown in. But it would have been nice to have known this fact beforehand. (Which I know leads into all the other arguments and I take their points)... > People will read this and ask, 'why are you subscribed to this list, you > are a fair-weather TD fan who just stirs up trouble.' On the contrary, you may appear to 'stir up trouble' but your arguments are clear, eloquent and do not resort to abuse. The opposite is what they don't like. Ooops, have to go... back to work. Might write more on this tomorrow. - Roger Hartopp From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree That last part is what I am thinking about. The number of CDrs have grown and 1 dvd would fit them well. Also the Audio part would not be bad either. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > Hi Dale, > > Do you mean the DVD Digital Tree initiative of Duncan or something > else. Because the DVD Digital Tree of Duncan is about 13 video > concerts and you can't put them on a CDR without any consequence. In > order to put them on a CDR you do have to convert the video-files to > a DIVX format which can only be played on a PC... > > An other good idea is to sent the SHN-files of a 'normal' Tangerine > Tree on a DVD-R/+R disc. One complete tree might even fit on 1 disc. > This would greatly reduce the snail mail costs and burning 1 DVD disc > is faster than 5 CDR discs with SHN-files. In TT3 I signed up as a > branch for SHN-files but, if it is okay, I'll sent those files on DVD > disk to the leaves. > > Regards, > Roger > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: > > Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner > for home > > use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a > head count > > to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now > for > > business use. > > > > Dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Herbert' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > > > > > Hi Collin, > > > did you get any response on your mail? > > > I might have missed that thing too. > > > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan > anouncing he > > > would do some DVD using a new hardware. > > > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got > some). > > > > > > Thanks > > > Herbert > > > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...] > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56 > > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree > > > > > > > > > Hi Colin, > > > > > > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the > > > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very > happy > > > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all > kind of > > > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable... > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Roger > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > > > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb > effort > > > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we > > > would > > > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an > > > > absolute TD diamond. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Colin South Wales UK > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! I am in for a fourth DT..................=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Yannick EDOM' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! > Hi There > > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!! > (see Informations below - after signature) > > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks. > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III. > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree System > Distribution. > > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you will > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website. > More information will follow. > > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set is > fabulous with very great music. > > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... > What do you think about this ? > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double > CDR > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams > > Disc 1 > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) > (c) Olyam Music Production > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur' > > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) > (c) Nightbirds > > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) > (c) P. Ellis > > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) > (c) Sensorial recordings > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. > > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) > (c) Mirage Créations > > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - > Stephen Fletcher) > (c) Dream Conspiracy > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. > > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) > (c) Ionic > > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) > (c) G. Jobim > > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) > (c) R. Rollins > > Disc 2 > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) > (c) Pergamon > > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) > (c) O. Briand > > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) > (c) F. Yargui > > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production > > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) > (c) A. Stocker > > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) > (c) M. McMillan > > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) > (c) 3N > > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) > (c) G. Hemery > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information. > > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds > > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) > (c) J. Owens > > > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List > Project managed by Yannick Edom > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion > Artwork : Yannick Edom > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse > (France) > > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam > (www.olyam.com) > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every > musicians in this project. > > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue? Morgan has spoken these parts which I now add too. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue? I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised music with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so short-sighted and is the latest party line from the Edgar apologists. ************** I say, are these not the same people who say those who compose music with a drum is also staying in the past. After all that drum is a bit older than the analog synth. So why not follow that trail a bit further and say anything older than 10 years (heck go for it, less than a second ago) is passé? Each to their own I say... If you don't like it, don't buy it. Dale From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! second that ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! > I am in for a fourth DT..................=O) > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Yannick EDOM' > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:33 PM > Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond > Dreams - RELEASED !!! > > > > Hi There > > > > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!! > > (see Informations below - after signature) > > > > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks. > > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III. > > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree > System > > Distribution. > > > > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you > will > > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website. > > More information will follow. > > > > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set > is > > fabulous with very great music. > > > > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... > > What do you think about this ? > > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! > > > > Friendly from France > > > > Yannick Edom > > Mirage Créations > > Champlain B7 A 101 > > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > > 31500 TOULOUSE > > FRANCE > > > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales > double > > CDR > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams > > > > Disc 1 > > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) > > (c) Olyam Music Production > > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal > Rêveur' > > > > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) > > (c) Nightbirds > > > > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) > > (c) P. Ellis > > > > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) > > (c) Sensorial recordings > > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. > > > > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) > > (c) Mirage Créations > > > > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - > > Stephen Fletcher) > > (c) Dream Conspiracy > > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. > > > > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) > > (c) Ionic > > > > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) > > (c) G. Jobim > > > > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) > > (c) R. Rollins > > > > Disc 2 > > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) > > (c) Pergamon > > > > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) > > (c) O. Briand > > > > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) > > (c) F. Yargui > > > > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) > > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production > > > > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) > > (c) A. Stocker > > > > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) > > (c) M. McMillan > > > > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) > > (c) 3N > > > > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) > > (c) G. Hemery > > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information. > > > > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) > > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds > > > > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) > > (c) J. Owens > > > > > > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List > > Project managed by Yannick Edom > > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan > > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion > > Artwork : Yannick Edom > > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom > > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, > Toulouse > > (France) > > > > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. > > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond > > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam > > (www.olyam.com) > > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine > > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every > > musicians in this project. > > > > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track Here's my question- being new to this list- where is TDI? URL please? Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:22 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track >Hi All, >Word is that 'Ruling the Waves' will be available at TDI for download. This >is great news of course, but I wonder if it would be too much to ask if TDI >uploads the missing Rubycon track from Tangents as well. >On another note, I like the Melrose box quite well. Some of the tracks I >didn't like the first time around I still don't like, but the tracks I do >like I like even more with the additions. >Cheers, >Marc Could I suggest TDI not to offer Ruling the Waves freely... only against some order details or something, so the box won't lose its attractivity? (?) I don't know if this is possible, but anyway. [Note: I don't myself have the set, so no selfliness accusations please] John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! and is anyone interested in all three one 1 DVD? soon to be a 4th if it comes to being? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! > I am in for a fourth DT..................=O) > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Yannick EDOM' > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:33 PM > Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond > Dreams - RELEASED !!! > > > > Hi There > > > > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!! > > (see Informations below - after signature) > > > > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks. > > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III. > > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree > System > > Distribution. > > > > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you > will > > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website. > > More information will follow. > > > > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set > is > > fabulous with very great music. > > > > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... > > What do you think about this ? > > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! > > > > Friendly from France > > > > Yannick Edom > > Mirage Créations > > Champlain B7 A 101 > > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > > 31500 TOULOUSE > > FRANCE > > > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales > double > > CDR > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams > > > > Disc 1 > > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) > > (c) Olyam Music Production > > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal > Rêveur' > > > > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) > > (c) Nightbirds > > > > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) > > (c) P. Ellis > > > > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) > > (c) Sensorial recordings > > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. > > > > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) > > (c) Mirage Créations > > > > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - > > Stephen Fletcher) > > (c) Dream Conspiracy > > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. > > > > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) > > (c) Ionic > > > > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) > > (c) G. Jobim > > > > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) > > (c) R. Rollins > > > > Disc 2 > > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) > > (c) Pergamon > > > > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) > > (c) O. Briand > > > > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) > > (c) F. Yargui > > > > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) > > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production > > > > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) > > (c) A. Stocker > > > > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) > > (c) M. McMillan > > > > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) > > (c) 3N > > > > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) > > (c) G. Hemery > > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information. > > > > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) > > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds > > > > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) > > (c) J. Owens > > > > > > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List > > Project managed by Yannick Edom > > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan > > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion > > Artwork : Yannick Edom > > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom > > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, > Toulouse > > (France) > > > > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. > > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond > > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam > > (www.olyam.com) > > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine > > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every > > musicians in this project. > > > > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the US? Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:53 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell into my TD basket: :-) Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM broadcast, 2 cdr Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape copy, 2 cdr Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM broadcast, 1 cdr Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2 cdr Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience recording, 1 cdr Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986 audience master tape copy, 2 cdr Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2 cdr Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape copy, 2 cdr This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days, distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days? ;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar & Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig? ~lol~ regards Heiko P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on the East coast. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! Yannick: This may have already been answered on list before. So I hope that my stupid question will not provoke an equalily stupid answer. How can we receive the recording, has a tree already been announced? Thank you for answers, Allison > > From: 'Yannick EDOM' > Date: 2002/12/12 Thu AM 07:33:01 EST > To: > Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! > > Hi There > > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!! > (see Informations below - after signature) > > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks. > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III. > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree System > Distribution. > > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you will > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website. > More information will follow. > > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set is > fabulous with very great music. > > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... > What do you think about this ? > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double > CDR > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams > > Disc 1 > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) > (c) Olyam Music Production > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur' > > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) > (c) Nightbirds > > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) > (c) P. Ellis > > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) > (c) Sensorial recordings > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. > > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) > (c) Mirage Créations > > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - > Stephen Fletcher) > (c) Dream Conspiracy > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. > > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) > (c) Ionic > > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) > (c) G. Jobim > > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) > (c) R. Rollins > > Disc 2 > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) > (c) Pergamon > > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) > (c) O. Briand > > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) > (c) F. Yargui > > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production > > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) > (c) A. Stocker > > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) > (c) M. McMillan > > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) > (c) 3N > > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) > (c) G. Hemery > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information. > > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds > > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) > (c) J. Owens > > > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List > Project managed by Yannick Edom > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion > Artwork : Yannick Edom > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse > (France) > > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam > (www.olyam.com) > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every > musicians in this project. > > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook >From: 'Debra Wilson' >Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:53 am >Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > >Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you >sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the US? The Tangerine Tree is a collection of the best possible audience and FM radio tape recordings of Tangerine Dream concerts. In most cases, these recordings are significantly better than the previous widely available tape. It's not a distribution, it's a project, which takes much time and effort by many people. The original audience tapes are being wrangled from the diehard TD fans by Heiko H., then he turns them over to his 'remastering slaves' who give the digital treatment to each of the tapes. Meanwhile professional-quality artwork is prepared for each disc in the set. This third chapter in the Tangerine Tree project brings the number of Tangerine Tree volumes to 24. To see a listing of the other concerts represented so far, look here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html (hopefully Joe will integrate this info into his TDTREE website one day) As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2 months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world. The last 2 Trees were distributed to at least 400 people each, plus any copies those directly involved made for their friends. Edgar Froese has personally received copies of each Tree from Heiko H. and they have actually been met with approval or at least tolerance. :) To sign up for the Tangerine Tree, which stands for the (nearly) free exchange of concert recordings, rather than trying to profit from TD's music, send an e-mail to joe@t... with 'Tangerine Tree LEAF' in the topic. The general practice is to mail 2 blank CDs for every 1 CD you will be getting from your 'branch'. You may be able to arrange with your branch to get copies of all 24 volumes of the Tangerine Tree. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37712 Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/13/2002 6 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook To add a bit more, I am going to put them on DVD. Biggest reason, to cut the number of disks down a bit. Nada else than having a few less disks. Good job describing the tree and the process Morgan. Very good job! dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > > >From: 'Debra Wilson' > >Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:53 am > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > > > >Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you > >sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the US? > > The Tangerine Tree is a collection of the best possible audience and FM > radio tape recordings of Tangerine Dream concerts. In most cases, these > recordings are significantly better than the previous widely available tape. > > It's not a distribution, it's a project, which takes much time and effort > by many people. The original audience tapes are being wrangled from the > diehard TD fans by Heiko H., then he turns them over to his 'remastering > slaves' who give the digital treatment to each of the tapes. Meanwhile > professional-quality artwork is prepared for each disc in the set. > > This third chapter in the Tangerine Tree project brings the number of > Tangerine Tree volumes to 24. To see a listing of the other concerts > represented so far, look here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html > > (hopefully Joe will integrate this info into his TDTREE website one day) > > As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long > sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2 > months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for > distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world. > > The last 2 Trees were distributed to at least 400 people each, plus any > copies those directly involved made for their friends. Edgar Froese has > personally received copies of each Tree from Heiko H. and they have > actually been met with approval or at least tolerance. :) > > To sign up for the Tangerine Tree, which stands for the (nearly) free > exchange of concert recordings, rather than trying to profit from TD's > music, send an e-mail to joe@t... with 'Tangerine Tree LEAF' in the > topic. > > The general practice is to mail 2 blank CDs for every 1 CD you will be > getting from your 'branch'. You may be able to arrange with your branch to > get copies of all 24 volumes of the Tangerine Tree. > > -Morgan From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty Has been said that Edgar is a head of his time.... rrr.r.r.r.rrr that one was overdue.... ;-) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'René Brenner' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in to > > us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the > > ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping) > > Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have on their > cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players have > different error-detection handling for some this signal could be irritating > and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not compatible > with old hardware? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:46 pm Subject: Martin Kasprzak (Gigs) I don't recall rading in any of the post, and might have missed them too, how your gigs went this year? Dale From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! Guess you did not even read Yannicks mail.........try again..........=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! Yannick: This may have already been answered on list before. So I hope that my stupid question will not provoke an equalily stupid answer. How can we receive the recording, has a tree already been announced? Thank you for answers, Allison > > From: 'Yannick EDOM' > Date: 2002/12/12 Thu AM 07:33:01 EST > To: > Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! > > Hi There > > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!! > (see Informations below - after signature) > > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks. > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III. > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree System > Distribution. > > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you will > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website. > More information will follow. > > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set is > fabulous with very great music. > > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... > What do you think about this ? > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double > CDR > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams > > Disc 1 > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam) > (c) Olyam Music Production > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur' > > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk) > (c) Nightbirds > > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis) > (c) P. Ellis > > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange) > (c) Sensorial recordings > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project. > > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion) > (c) Mirage Créations > > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer - > Stephen Fletcher) > (c) Dream Conspiracy > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track. > > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic) > (c) Ionic > > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim) > (c) G. Jobim > > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins) > (c) R. Rollins > > Disc 2 > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon) > (c) Pergamon > > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand) > (c) O. Briand > > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui) > (c) F. Yargui > > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam) > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production > > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker) > (c) A. Stocker > > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan) > (c) M. McMillan > > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N) > (c) 3N > > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery) > (c) G. Hemery > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information. > > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular) > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds > > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens) > (c) J. Owens > > > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List > Project managed by Yannick Edom > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion > Artwork : Yannick Edom > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse > (France) > > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List. > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam > (www.olyam.com) > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every > musicians in this project. > > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI >Here's my question- being new to this list- where is TDI? URL please? > >Debra Wilson It's their official site. Here you go.. www.tangerinedream.org John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37713 Re: TDI Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/13/2002 4 KB 37720 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/13/2002 2 KB 37723 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37729 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Sat 12/14/2002 5 KB 37730 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 2 KB 37747 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37750 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 4 KB 37731 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37737 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Deb H-J dhj4 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:02 pm Subject: ruling the waves file format? Man, I hope TD puts up the' ruling the wave's file up in a few different formats--or in SHN at least! --T _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37693 Re: ruling the waves file format? Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/12/2002 3 KB From: 'esculap' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:06 pm Subject: Re: TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join? The easiest way to become a part of the Classic Tree is to find an email address of a person who lives inYour country and ask him/her to make copies for You. Look at the database (Classic Tree) on yahoogroups. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/ I hope, You still may join TT3. Just add Your datas into the next database (TT3) there. You have 2 shows - imagine, You'd have 10, 18, 26 shows... And imagine, You won't have enough free time to listen to them... Dream on, Andy > From: 'frickyohanson' I'm new to the site having just discovered it today - can any advice me on how to apply for the above trees or am I too late? I am based in Scotland, have 2 TD shows and would love to increase my collection. Frank From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Improvisation --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels ' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Adele Outland' > wrote: > > > > However, over time I believe band members probably got bored > themselves with > > no structure. > > I still see lots of structure in the recordings of 73/74/75. > Only it's a bit looser, they make new ideas on the fly around that > structure. > > > I > > especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which > begins with, I > > presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off > with the > > piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the > background > > you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the > rescue with > > a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. Finally, a > sequence > > starts, I presume Franke, and what happens? The others finally come > together > > on something they recognize that they can play, have played > together: > > Sorcerer. So, structure became almost a habit, or at least the > leanings in > > that direction, just for survival. > > It is exactly those crashing, stopping and starting weird things that > I like about older TD. > These weird passages where they are finding their way. > Maybe it's the 'struggle' that I like, I don't know. > It all sounds so smooth and right on the 'count' these days > (I'm not talking about TD in particular)...maybe thats why > I listen to a lot of progrock these days. > Oh well, maybe a VST struggle plugin will be released. > You/we can only guess why TD went more to structured, what I or > you say about it is not a fact. :-) > > > All IMO of course. > > Ah okay. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... Free System Projekt,this is the new Tangerine Dream of the Glory Years,absolute BRILLIANCE.NO,This is Free System Projekt,the best Electronic band that Lives.MAGIC. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue? >I think part of my respect for the older TD is that the music was daring. >The music had composing challenges. And most of all, it was not >overcomposed. There was breathing space around the music. Every theme was >given due course to develop before going on to the next sequence. Compare >20 minutes of Logos to the 5 minute Optical Race title track. Optical Race >covers more musical ground (very poorly I might add) than Logos does in 20 >minutes. And more importantly, there is no longer any breathing room for >the ears. I agree to some extent... There always was a definite difference between the lenght of live and studio tracks. As an example, we have the 68 (!) minute RAH '75 part 1 versus the 17 minute Rubycon parts. I don't think that Logos develops that slowly (or which 20 minutes do you mean?) or Optical Race that quickly. What I'd use as an example of a piece developing rapidly is Desert Drive (on LotB), and slowly, Convention of the 24. But the late Virgin / Blue / Melrose years were not that different concerning piece lenghts. Take Cat Scan and the bit of Logos that appears on Sohoman; notice any structural similarity? I agree though, that during the late 80s the albums started to lose their variety; starting with Underwater Sunlight. Poland was one of the most colourful TD albums, but Optical Race already was sort of monotonic, compositionally. >Have you ever found yourself humming a theme from Logos, Le Parc, etc. and >then when you play back the album, you realize you have added your own >notes that were not present in the original music? It sounds so subtle, so >trivial, Well I sure have! I have a sort of project related to this coming up --OOPS! No further details.. ;D >but this is one of the things TD has lost over the years. I don't think so. Yes, the hummability factor has sunken since the 80s, but the best melodies still are great. >We are only given one choice, the remixed version which pays no >respects to the compositional involvement of the original artists. > >-Morgan No. We're also give the opportunity to spread the original versions & much more on TT and other projects... now that'd be unfair if TDI also would try to stop the circulation of all the fantapes. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook >Yesssss!!!! So now we have one excellent recording of every tour from >1980-1982. > >1980.01.31 Palast der Republik (Tangerine Tree 17) >1980.10.13 Brussels (replaces 'Nostragram') >1981.02.02 Paris Bataclan (Tangerine Tree 14) >1981.10.25 Newcastle (Tangerine Tree 10) >1982.03.01 Melbourne, Australia (Strange Attractions) >1982.10.31 Croydon Fairfield Hall (Tangerine Tree 12) >1982.11.15 Berlin ICC (Classic Tree/KA repl. Logotypes) Some nitpicking follows: If the 1980.01.31 show counts as a 'tour', why don't the one-show 81 'tours'? Looking at the tracklists at Zebbyworld they appear equally interesting to TT volumes 10 and 14... And, that's in fact 2 shows from the 82 Europe tour. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:35 pm Subject: tangerine waking dream alright looks like we still can't control our dreams--so controlling TD is pretty much out of the question--oh sure you can have the occasional waking dream, but these are scant. So bring on the new TD releases--I argue that the plethora of new releases has diminished considerably anyway. What's been released besides Inferno of late? (rerecordings don't count). --T _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37695 Re: tangerine waking dream Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 12/12/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Travel Symbolism >What, I think, everyone has missed the point is that the music of TD is (to >use an analogy again) a journey which started at 'Electronic Meditation' >and is still going with plenty of fuel supplies. The difference is that >they're not using the motorway to their final destination (Every album >sounding like 'Phaedra and Rubycon') but are visiting some interesting >cities (Cyclone, Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty etc), some little villages >(Stratosfear, Optical Race), some beautiful scenary (Hyperborea, White >Eagle, Oasis), stop on the way for the occasional rest (Canyon Dreams, >Seven Letters of Tibet), visit a few galleries (Inferno, Transiberia) and >so on. > >If they just took the motorway, the journey would have finished many years >ago. > >I for one want them to continue the journey and am looking forward to >receiving the Melrose set after everybody's positive comments (apart from, >of course, that track problem which EF says is ok but some of us don't want >to believe). > >If every TD album were destinations on a long journey that will end when >the creativity fuel runs out, what would they be? > >Regards >Roger Hartopp Indeed, Edgar has described TD's music as 'travel music' (lifted the Le Parc rerelease sleeve notes). So far they have upgraded to a new car (lineup) before the old has run out of gas... and only the FFB car has been refueled (Baumann's trips). At the moment I see the Froese/Froese vehicle starting to exhaust... I hope there's a gas station or a automobile store coming up within the next 90 miles (albums)? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ruling the waves file format? me toooooooooo dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: [tadream] ruling the waves file format? > Man, I hope TD puts up the' ruling the wave's file up in a few different > formats--or in SHN at least! > > --T > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue? >John Vertical said: >I don't think so. Yes, the hummability factor has sunken since the 80s, but >the best melodies still are great. My point is not that the 80's themes are more hummable than the 90's themes. My point is that the late 80's and 90's themes have little breathing room either in compositional length/development or in the melodies. >We are only given one choice, the remixed version which pays no > >respects to the compositional involvement of the original artists. > >-Morgan > >No. We're also give the opportunity to spread the original versions & much >more on TT and other projects... now that'd be unfair if TDI also would try >to stop the circulation of all the fantapes. I am not talking about fantapes. I am talking about TD's releases. Edgar gets all smug and thinks he's doing the fans a favor by releasing things like iBox and Sohoman and Soundmill and that his 'debt' to the fans of releasing concerts is satisfied by such releases. I'm certainly not satisfied. Tangents, Dream Roots, and the Melrose box are fine and dandy because we can go to the store and buy those same albums in their original forms. But if we want to get official recordings of concerts, our only choice is the remixed stuff Edgar is putting out. Also, less than 50% of the 1975-1977 concerts were taped. There's a LOT we are missing. I for one would like to hear one of the TD-Klaus Schulze concerts from 1973 but no fan has come forward with a tape yet. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:12 pm Subject: Re: tangerine waking dream >tei waz said: >alright looks like we still can't control our dreams--so controlling TD is >pretty much out of the question--oh sure you can have the occasional waking >dream, but these are scant. Actually, if you want to picky, there are a lot of people who are into http://www.lucidity.com/ (Lucid Dreaming). -Morgan From: 'michael_berling ' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze Hi Thomas et al, --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > Thanks for reminding me that excellent web site. Thanks, too -- and thanks, John, for the 'bible' ;-) > It helped me complete my transcription. > However, I still stand on my initial guesses in some cases. Otherwise, I've adopted the transcription I've found on the site. > Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being austrian (just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always pronounce words exactly the right way. > I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange somehow. > Does the person who did the transcription have english for native language? If so, I don't have anything more to say. > If not, I decided to post my own version. No, english is not my native language, and I've made the transcription years ago, so I'm quite sure that I've made several mistakes. Listening to Dreamtime currently, I'm sure that Thomas' transcription is much better than mine, but still I don't see much sense in some of the verses (but a song about Dreamtime might not be easy to understand, anyway). Is there any native english (or australian ;-)) speaking list member who can shed light on this? I'm just completing the next update of VitN to be uploaded next weekend, and I'd like to add a correct transcription. If there's no further correction, I'd like to use your transcription, if you agree, Thomas? Best regards Michael > Dreamtime > > > Echoes from the past > Follow me > Echoes from the past > Shadow my dreams > (there's a ghost inside of me) > Shadow my dreams > > > There's a spirit calling me > Overpowering > (there's a ghost inside of me) > If it wasn't for you I'd leave > (there's a voice inside of me) > To dreamtime > > All I('d?) be > (Oh/All it's a part of me) > All of me > (All I dream) > > Oh I think it's going to take me a while > It's going to take me a while > I think it's going to take me a while > Before I come back to... > > Dreamtime > (There's a tale inside of me) > The magic's in the air > In the air I breathe > (There's a tale inside of me) > Dreamtime > > All I see > (Oh/All that's a part of me) > All I would be > > Oh I think it's going to take me a while > It's going to take me a while > I think it's going to take me a while > Before I come back to... > > Dreamtime... > Think it's gonna take me a while... > Dreamtime... > ... > > All I see > (Oh/All it's a part of me) > All of me > (All I dream) > > Oh I think it's going to take me a while > It's going to take me a while > I think it's going to take me a while > Before I come back to dreamtime > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37711 Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze thomas.soucheleau@n... canadiurne Fri 12/13/2002 6 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:44 pm Subject: ot lucid dreaming >Actually, if you want to picky, there are a lot of people who are into http://www.lucidity.com/ (Lucid Dreaming). thanks for the URL--I remember several lectures on this from an Altered States of Consciousness class I took from Dr. Charles Tart back in the early '80s. just did a google and lo and behold he's got a website now. Ok, he may have had it for some time. [shrugs] http://www.paradigm-sys.com/cttart/ --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:49 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 3 It just dawned on me that Tangerine Tree 3 is 10 volumes (not 8) and 17 discs. Wow. -Morgan From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 yea, hence why I am having DVD thoughts.. ;-) a major effort ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 > It just dawned on me that Tangerine Tree 3 is 10 volumes (not 8) and 17 > discs. Wow. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Deb H-J Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:40 am Subject: One Last Word on the Headphones Info Request Tom (and others): << It's insane, loud noises like this can actually make you sick due to it disturbing and damaging your inner ear but yet they pay people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to do it again and gain. I say discontact the things and don't say anything to anyone about it.>> I've been using the Bose headphones for a couple of days, and they effectively block the sound, even on LO setting, which is wonderful. I'd much rather have clear music than loud music, and the headphones have allowed me to pick up on new subtleties in the music. They cost a bundle ($300), but they work as advertised, and they're extremely comfortable for all days use. Thanks again to you and everyone else for the advice. Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Scott' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Michael Hoenig sighting I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but I'm gonna mention it anyway because I thought it was cool. I finished playing the PC role-playing game Baldur's Gate today, and I saw in the credits that Michael Hoenig did the music. It's not electronic at all, more orchestral, with a bit of medieval thrown in. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37704 Re: Michael Hoenig sighting vic rek kyivmission Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB 37718 Re: Michael Hoenig sighting moxica@a... moxica93 Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! >I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... >What do you think about this ? >You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! yeah why not? it's always good to hear what the people are doing out there. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37708 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - jerome ssaalyersjj Fri 12/13/2002 2 KB 37710 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - Matthew Stringer Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Ruling the Waves' On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:14:23 -0000 'fozziebear' writes: >[Corporal Cripp referred to Forbidden Planet. >Wasn't the film modelled on a Shakespear play? THE TEMPEST. > David Steven Feldman From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting There is a soundtrack release of this music from a Polish collectors series. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:11 PM Subject: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting > I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but I'm gonna mention it anyway > because I thought it was cool. I finished playing the PC role-playing game > Baldur's Gate today, and I saw in the credits that Michael Hoenig did the > music. It's not electronic at all, more orchestral, with a bit of medieval > thrown in. > > Scott > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:08 am Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Audio Samples online !!! Hi everyone I uploaded short extracts (about 30s) from the Dreamwatchers' Tales Episode III on the Yahoogroups files section. So if you want to discover the music before receiving the whole 2CDR set so check the DWT folder on the files section. You will also discover the artwork for the front cover. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:27 am Subject: Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones >From: Deb H-J > >I've been using the Bose headphones for a couple of >days, and they effectively block the sound, even on LO >setting, which is wonderful. I'd much rather have >clear music than loud music, and the headphones have >allowed me to pick up on new subtleties in the music. I have to concur with the warnings and cautions being mentioned on the list about noise cancelling headphones especially the Bose. My dad has a pair and I borrowed them for some TD listening. It indeed improved the fidelity and cleared out all sounds of the computer. After 6-7 hours of listening, I noticed that my ears were really starting to hurt so I removed the headphones. After a few hours of not using the headphones at all and not listening to any music, my ears hurt so bad I was surprised they weren't bleeding. In order to get any relief (The slightest sound was painful), I stuffed cotton balls in both ears and went to sleep. After a few days of walking around with cotton balls stuffed in one ear or the other (so I could continue to work/function), the pain subsided. Keep in mind this was about 5 days before this year's Okefenokee!! The idea of flying to see musicians and fans and being unable to tolerate music--loud or otherwise--was horrifying. Thankfully the problems cleared up shortly before I went. I know that noise cancellation generates an inverse wave that closely matches the ambient sounds in the room. The question is, does it truly cancel the noise, or does it actually increase the volume of the noise hitting your ear to double, but you just can't hear it? -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37715 Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones Administrator dale1kay Fri 12/13/2002 4 KB 37717 Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > >Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape > >copy, 2 cdr > > Woo hoo! Bring on the 1976 shows. :) > The sound quality on this should be exceptional. As you may know the master tape is under lock and key and I am not allowed to use it for TT (although I had the privilege to hear it, thanks to good ol' Al :-). The master tape copy does not quite match the quality of the original, but still I think it has turned out pretty well :-) > As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long > sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2 > months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for > distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world. about two weeks ago I sent a small package (containing the fourteen discs from TT2) to someone in New York via surface mail, and it took just 6 days. Then a couple of days later I sent a bigger package to someone in Oklahamo and it took 12 days. I was told that nowadays parcels sent from Germany to the States via surface mail don't get transported by ship anymore, they get carried in planes and all end up in some of the big cities on the East coast (like NYC or Boston) From there all the surface mail get transported by trains, and airmail in planes...I don't know if this is true, but at least this is what my Post Office told me. But what I know is that it was much cheaper for me to send it as surface mail, for the TT2 discs I only had to pay US$5 for postage costs instead of $12! regards Heiko From: jerome Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! >I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... >What do you think about this ? >You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! yes, this sounds good to me... =) jerome --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37710 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - Matthew Stringer Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue? On Thursday 12 December 2002 3:49 pm, Morgan Feldon wrote: > I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised > music with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so > short-sighted and is the latest party line from the Edgar > apologists. While I agree with your sentiment, I think the existence of 'Edgar Apologists' is a bit of a myth. What does exist is a group of people who believe - as Roger expressed much more eloquently in his recent post, and as I keep repeating until I'm blue in the face - that TD's composition and performance of music is *not* a service industry. I'm aware of the arguments against this stance, and I agree with many of them. Shakespeare produced some works of the greatest artistic merit under the direct instruction of his patrons, Michelangelo's legacy consists mainly of commissioned work, and so on and so forth. But the crucial difference is that TD's agenda is - whether this is presumptuous or not - to pursue their art for its own sake, to be their own boss when it comes to their musical experiments and direction. I would personally love to see more analogue sounds created on the spot, and more live improvisation on stage. I see no reason why that, in itself, would be staying in the past. But what would be staying in the past would be to keep doing Ricochet ad infinitum just because a mailing list of TD collectors think it would be a good idea. Buying their CDs doesn't give us the right to dictate what they do for their next album. And, to be honest, I think the whole thing would turn rather stale if it did. > Improvised live music is not folly. Actually it is an indication of > bravery and respect for the audience. I've said and still feel that > current TD output is overcomposed and is put together in a > cut-and-paste fashion. I would tend to agree with the 'overcomposed' aspect with regard to some, but not all, of the recent output. But it all fits in with Edgar's intention to shift TD's focus from live improvisation to the creation of the 'perfect composition'. Personally, I don't think the 'perfect composition' will be achieved by anyone alive, let alone TD, but it's his prerogative to try. And I actually think that some of the recent experiments, while still not improvised, succeed in making the composed sound a bit less overbearing - the Seven Letters is an example I'd mention, but I know that you don't like it yourself. > sequence.' He also made some comments implying that the sequencer > did not change very much. I see these comments as a slap in the > face to Chris Franke. The fact is, I have yet to hear someone > change a sequence so dramatically within the span of a few minutes > to accommodate a changing melody and rhythm line. Yes, there seems to be a lot of bitterness and bad blood there that should finally be resolved. But again, it's between Edgar and Chris, and in no way up to us. > I think part of my respect for the older TD is that the music was > daring. The music had composing challenges. And most of all, it was > not overcomposed. There was breathing space around the music. Every > theme was given due course to develop before going on to the next > sequence. Compare 20 minutes of Logos to the 5 minute Optical Race > title track. Optical Race covers more musical ground (very poorly I > might add) than Logos does in 20 minutes. And more importantly, > there is no longer any breathing room for the ears. There has been a natural progression of style over the 30-odd years that TD have been around, and everyone has their favourites. Like you, I like Logos and Poland; but compared to, say, Phaedra, *they* seem over-composed. And Phaedra, in turn, sounds positively rigid in comparison to Electronic Meditation. A lot of people like the Blue and Melrose years, and I can see some merit in some of the late Seattle/early Millennium category. It's just different from the older stuff that I also love. > Have you ever found yourself humming a theme from Logos, Le Parc, > etc. and then when you play back the album, you realize you have > added your own notes that were not present in the original music? > It sounds so subtle, so trivial, but this is one of the things TD > has lost over the years. I agree that the older material had a lovely tendency to be somewhat loose around the edges, whereas recent stuff, especially live, tends to be full-on from beginning to end. Whether this is a loss of ability to compose more freely or a conscious decision not to revisit less pre-determined musical structures is not up to us to judge. -- Dennis From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! I think it would be a good idea as hopefully next year I wont be so busy and I'll have time to plug my keyboards in! Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!! > > >I'm currently thinking about a vol 4... > >What do you think about this ? > >You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!! > > yeah why not? > it's always good to hear what the people are doing out there. > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze About the transcription, well, of course, use it if you want. After all, it's precisely only a transcription. The thing is I don't believe I'm such a good reference as far as english language is concerned. who knows, maybe we can ask the writers themselves to give us some explanations? Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: 'michael_berling ' >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:18:43 -0000 >Sujet: Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze > >Hi Thomas et al, > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: >> Thanks for reminding me that excellent web site. > >Thanks, too -- and thanks, John, for the 'bible' ;-) > >> It helped me complete my transcription. >> However, I still stand on my initial guesses in some cases. >Otherwise, I've adopted the transcription I've found on the site. >> Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being >austrian (just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always >pronounce words exactly the right way. >> I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange >somehow. >> Does the person who did the transcription have english for native >language? If so, I don't have anything more to say. >> If not, I decided to post my own version. > >No, english is not my native language, and I've made the >transcription years ago, so I'm quite sure that I've made several >mistakes. > >Listening to Dreamtime currently, I'm sure that Thomas' transcription >is much better than mine, but still I don't see much sense in some of >the verses (but a song about Dreamtime might not be easy to >understand, anyway). Is there any native english (or australian ;-)) >speaking list member who can shed light on this? > >I'm just completing the next update of VitN to be uploaded next >weekend, and I'd like to add a correct transcription. If there's no >further correction, I'd like to use your transcription, if you agree, >Thomas? > >Best regards >Michael > > >> Dreamtime >> >> >> Echoes from the past >> Follow me >> Echoes from the past >> Shadow my dreams >> (there's a ghost inside of me) >> Shadow my dreams >> >> >> There's a spirit calling me >> Overpowering >> (there's a ghost inside of me) >> If it wasn't for you I'd leave >> (there's a voice inside of me) >> To dreamtime >> >> All I('d?) be >> (Oh/All it's a part of me) >> All of me >> (All I dream) >> >> Oh I think it's going to take me a while >> It's going to take me a while >> I think it's going to take me a while >> Before I come back to... >> >> Dreamtime >> (There's a tale inside of me) >> The magic's in the air >> In the air I breathe >> (There's a tale inside of me) >> Dreamtime >> >> All I see >> (Oh/All that's a part of me) >> All I would be >> >> Oh I think it's going to take me a while >> It's going to take me a while >> I think it's going to take me a while >> Before I come back to... >> >> Dreamtime... >> Think it's gonna take me a while... >> Dreamtime... >> ... >> >> All I see >> (Oh/All it's a part of me) >> All of me >> (All I dream) >> >> Oh I think it's going to take me a while >> It's going to take me a while >> I think it's going to take me a while >> Before I come back to dreamtime >> > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:32 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook We do this thru another group I'm in, although not near so much work goes into it. Someone will have a very large cd/cassette/vinyl collection by a single artist, and they will rip the entire thing, send it to person number one, they copy and pass it on, and so on... Aside from the fact these are eing remastered, and it's actually branching off, I don't see much difference in it then the distros. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out, as it is a wonderful description, tons of detail, in plain english, and easy to follow. That should go up on the site! Now I'm out of here before my brain shuts down the rest of the way..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:29 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook >From: 'Debra Wilson' >Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:53 am >Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > >Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you >sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the US? The Tangerine Tree is a collection of the best possible audience and FM radio tape recordings of Tangerine Dream concerts. In most cases, these recordings are significantly better than the previous widely available tape. It's not a distribution, it's a project, which takes much time and effort by many people. The original audience tapes are being wrangled from the diehard TD fans by Heiko H., then he turns them over to his 'remastering slaves' who give the digital treatment to each of the tapes. Meanwhile professional-quality artwork is prepared for each disc in the set. This third chapter in the Tangerine Tree project brings the number of Tangerine Tree volumes to 24. To see a listing of the other concerts represented so far, look here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html (hopefully Joe will integrate this info into his TDTREE website one day) As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2 months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world. The last 2 Trees were distributed to at least 400 people each, plus any copies those directly involved made for their friends. Edgar Froese has personally received copies of each Tree from Heiko H. and they have actually been met with approval or at least tolerance. :) To sign up for the Tangerine Tree, which stands for the (nearly) free exchange of concert recordings, rather than trying to profit from TD's music, send an e-mail to joe@t... with 'Tangerine Tree LEAF' in the topic. The general practice is to mail 2 blank CDs for every 1 CD you will be getting from your 'branch'. You may be able to arrange with your branch to get copies of all 24 volumes of the Tangerine Tree. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Weird... I spent enough time there in the month before they took away the forums and I never saw anything about downloads.. hmm... thanks! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:51 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI >Here's my question- being new to this list- where is TDI? URL please? > >Debra Wilson It's their official site. Here you go.. www.tangerinedream.org John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37720 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/13/2002 2 KB 37723 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37729 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Sat 12/14/2002 5 KB 37730 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 2 KB 37747 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37750 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 4 KB 37731 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37737 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Deb H-J dhj4 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37738 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook > > >Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape > > >copy, 2 cdr > > > > Woo hoo! Bring on the 1976 shows. :) > > The sound quality on this should be exceptional. > >As you may know the master tape is under lock and key and I am not allowed >to >use it for TT (although I had the privilege to hear it, thanks to good ol' >Al >:-). The master tape copy does not quite match the quality of the original, >but still I think it has turned out pretty well :-) Heiko, could I ask what actually is the situation with these master tapes? I've deducted from some snippets here and there that there are some collector people who have lots of master tapes, but don't want to stand up in public... so they now are just some mystic 'Sources'... This of course is a strange question, since the ones it concerns won't speak up, but: why? Why do the people with big concert collections stay infamous - or do they? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones I see you found my pair of alien torture devices that I use to use before they disappeared. They are a big part of my sound torture tools. Please keep a close eye on them. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones > > >From: Deb H-J > > > >I've been using the Bose headphones for a couple of > >days, and they effectively block the sound, even on LO > >setting, which is wonderful. I'd much rather have > >clear music than loud music, and the headphones have > >allowed me to pick up on new subtleties in the music. > > I have to concur with the warnings and cautions being mentioned on the list > about noise cancelling headphones especially the Bose. > > My dad has a pair and I borrowed them for some TD listening. It indeed > improved the fidelity and cleared out all sounds of the computer. > > After 6-7 hours of listening, I noticed that my ears were really starting > to hurt so I removed the headphones. After a few hours of not using the > headphones at all and not listening to any music, my ears hurt so bad I was > surprised they weren't bleeding. In order to get any relief (The slightest > sound was painful), I stuffed cotton balls in both ears and went to sleep. > After a few days of walking around with cotton balls stuffed in one ear or > the other (so I could continue to work/function), the pain subsided. > > Keep in mind this was about 5 days before this year's Okefenokee!! The > idea of flying to see musicians and fans and being unable to tolerate > music--loud or otherwise--was horrifying. Thankfully the problems cleared > up shortly before I went. > > I know that noise cancellation generates an inverse wave that closely > matches the ambient sounds in the room. The question is, does it truly > cancel the noise, or does it actually increase the volume of the noise > hitting your ear to double, but you just can't hear it? > > -Morgan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:25 pm Subject: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all synth line up,i would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join the fold,Hugely under-estimated musician.What do you think guys(n)gals. Best regards Mr James Saville. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37719 Re: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB 37721 Re: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB 37736 Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. DAVKAUFMAN@a... Sat 12/14/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones >I know that noise cancellation generates an inverse wave that closely >matches the ambient sounds in the room. The question is, does it truly >cancel the noise, or does it actually increase the volume of the noise >hitting your ear to double, but you just can't hear it? > >-Morgan If the noise cancellation really creates an inverse wave, and they cancel each other, then the volume must be zero. The noise's energy will of course still be there, but transformed into heat it's so minute amount that you'd have to yell for weeks until you could heat up a cup of coffee with the noise's energy. Of course, infra- or ultranoise can damage your ears without you noticing... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting Is this a different version than the collector's edition that was released last year in the US? What about for Baulder's Gate II? I understand that MH wrote the soundtrack for the first installment, but not the second. - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > There is a soundtrack release of this music from a Polish collectors series. > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Scott' > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:11 PM > Subject: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting > > > > I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but I'm gonna mention it > anyway > > because I thought it was cool. I finished playing the PC role-playing game > > Baldur's Gate today, and I saw in the credits that Michael Hoenig did the > > music. It's not electronic at all, more orchestral, with a bit of medieval > > thrown in. > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. For all UK readers of a certain age, Dear Jim (you sad man), Please could you fix it for me to have a cd (rattle rattle, jewellery jewellery) that would show how good this Cosmic Baby is as I have heard the name but not the music? *puffs cigar, runs marathon, breaks wind* Where's Dave Lee Travis when you need him? --- 'Colin Jouxson ' wrote: > Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all > synth line up,i > would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join > the fold,Hugely > under-estimated musician.What do you think > guys(n)gals. > > Best regards > > Mr James Saville. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37721 Re: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 12/13/2002 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain I have noticed a handful of the female of the species on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew! Anyway, my wife's biggest criticism of the TD that she has heard is that it is too meandering. She generally prefers songs that have a fairly well defined begnning, middle and end (her own words). For example, she likes Underwater Sunlight but hates Encore (you get the idea). I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this group could let me know what TD music appeals to them and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music is a turn off and why? Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly attract men? Thanks, jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37723 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37729 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Sat 12/14/2002 5 KB 37730 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 2 KB 37747 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37750 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 4 KB 37731 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37737 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Deb H-J dhj4 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37738 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37742 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt wrote: > For all UK readers of a certain age, > > Dear Jim (you sad man), > Please could you fix it for me to have a cd (rattle > rattle, jewellery jewellery) that would show how good > this Cosmic Baby is as I have heard the name but not > the music? > *puffs cigar, runs marathon, breaks wind* Where's Dave > Lee Travis when you need him? > > --- 'Colin Jouxson ' > wrote: > Would be great to > see TD go back to the 3 person all > > synth line up,i > > would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join > > the fold,Hugely > > under-estimated musician.What do you think > > guys(n)gals. He He He i likes that Jonathan,nice bit of humour LOL,but Cosmic Baby really is a quality Musician,just thought i would ask fellow TD fans whom they think would be a good addition to the band-although im quite certain this will never happen.(who knows) Uh er Uh ER uh er Guys(n)Gals. DLT is Pants.PEELY is King. Best regards Colin > > > > Best regards > > > > Mr James Saville. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Improvisation In reply to John: > >ending sure was spectacular!). ____________________ >The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to see >this 'spectacular ending'? _________________ Hm, let's see, how long have I been on this list. At least two years, maybe a bit more. You would want to go back maybe six months further, maybe about 1999? I'll give you a hint: it was more information than anybody particularly wanted to know about the subject. _____________________ I > >especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins >with, > >I > >presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with > >the > >piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the >background > >you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue > >with > >a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. ________________ >So that would leave Chris on the piano... not very probable. _________________ Um, no, look up ^ I said I thought Baumann was on the piano. That leaves Chris on whatever he normally played, like the sequencer maybe? By the way, I was hoping and glad to see that Marcel responded to this thread. I wonder what the other improvisational artists on this list think as well. How about it? As you progress with your musical knowledge, do you find it more or less fun to do improvisation versus more structured music? Where do you draw the line between noodling and art? My thoughts: noodling leads to the possibility of a new art form, but structure creates the perfection of that art form, and imitation of that art form leads to stagnation unless the artist uses that structure to perfection (kind of like haiku). All IMO of course. NP: Seattle '77; noodling at its best _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Hmm.. First off, I'm 21, and was female when I last went to the bathroom. I got into TD when watching Legend for the umpteenth time, and suddenly realized how beautiful the music was. I downloaded the soundtrack. Then I nearly forgot about them until a friend sent me about 115 cds full of various albums - his 'uglies' from previous trades. As I was going tru the discs, sorting out what was worth keeping and what wasn't, I found several TD albums in there, mostly bootlegs. Once again I was captivated. For me the music is about the feeling it gives you, not about structure, or a certain style or genre. If it makes you feel good, bad, excited, happy, or whatever you need to fit the mood, then it's good music. As for geek/homoerotic... um, maybe so..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...] I have noticed a handful of the female of the species on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew! Anyway, my wife's biggest criticism of the TD that she has heard is that it is too meandering. She generally prefers songs that have a fairly well defined begnning, middle and end (her own words). For example, she likes Underwater Sunlight but hates Encore (you get the idea). I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this group could let me know what TD music appeals to them and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music is a turn off and why? Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly attract men? Thanks, jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37729 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Sat 12/14/2002 5 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'spectacular ending' > > >ending sure was spectacular!). >____________________ > >The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to >see > >this 'spectacular ending'? >_________________ >Hm, let's see, how long have I been on this list. At least two years, maybe >a bit more. You would want to go back maybe six months further, maybe about >1999? I'll give you a hint: it was more information than anybody >particularly wanted to know about the subject. I'm now browsing an era at eGroups and onelist (simultaneously?)... just passing Dreamwatchers' Tales 1... Now I'm suddendly at the Yahoo era... -- Ok, it's somewhere around messages #25900-25700. -- Morgan & co. are rambling on about live vs. fake-live? Is this it? Or; I also found hints of the .edu list, could it be actually this one? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37726 Re: 'spectacular ending' Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:38 pm Subject: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Hey gang, Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! Wade __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37727 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film PERGAMON pergamondk Sat 12/14/2002 3 KB 37728 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Admin dale1kay Sat 12/14/2002 4 KB 37745 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37752 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film PERGAMON pergamondk Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37758 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37759 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Grant M Somerville dreamer77uk Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'spectacular ending' Once again, a data base of those achieves would be very handy... You can find that mentioned in the achieves before too, many times before.... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'spectacular ending' > > > >ending sure was spectacular!). > >____________________ > > >The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to > >see > > >this 'spectacular ending'? > >_________________ > >Hm, let's see, how long have I been on this list. At least two years, maybe > >a bit more. You would want to go back maybe six months further, maybe about > >1999? I'll give you a hint: it was more information than anybody > >particularly wanted to know about the subject. > > > I'm now browsing an era at eGroups and onelist (simultaneously?)... > just passing Dreamwatchers' Tales 1... > > Now I'm suddendly at the Yahoo era... > > -- > Ok, it's somewhere around messages #25900-25700. > -- > > Morgan & co. are rambling on about live vs. fake-live? Is this it? > > Or; I also found hints of the .edu list, could it be actually this one? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > Hey gang, > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > Wade > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Going to see it today Jan. They have a web site of course. My thoughts most likely will be biased anyway since I been watching Star Trek since day one. I will try to be a bit more object when I post. Jerry does have some very good pieces in the past. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > Regards > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > Hey gang, > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > Wade > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37745 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain This whole 'why don't more women like TD' question comes up from time to time. For one of its prior appearances, back in 1999, I took a shot at answering it. I've gone back to read it, and I stand by pretty much everything I said. I'm going to repost it, with a few re-wordings (a 'Tangentized' version, if you will) Ultimately, taking in any work of art boils down to a dialogue between creator and experiencer. The encounter can remind you that someone else sees the world the same way you do; has experienced the same emotions as you. This is a very human desire. But for such a connection to be made, the viewer must understand what it is that the artist is saying. Art can communicate in many ways, however. Your ultimate impression of it can have as much to do with personal associations you make in your mind as you experience it, as it does with the works' actual content. Okay, maybe I'm being too obscure. Let me give you a personal example. When I hear Garth Brooks, I think of folks wearing cowboy hats, shouting 'yee haw', and line dancing. That might not be an accurate picture, but it prevents me from enjoying whatever musicianship Mr. Brooks may have to offer, because those are negative associations for me. Likewise, when I hear Motley Crue I see 'mullet' haircuts and too much eye makeup. I'm limiting my examples to the world of music, because that's where this little treatise is heading, but the same can be said for other art forms as well. I dislike ballet because I think of high society types in tuxedos showing us that they deserve their wealth because they're 'cultured'. I don't think women's general lack of acceptance for electronic music has to do with 'brain wiring'. How, then, to explain why Yanni, John Tesh and Vangelis have found cross-gender success? The answer, I think, is that Yanni and musicians of his ilk have cloaked themselves in associations with romance. They compose soundtracks for your own personal fantasies, while festooning their keyboards with candles and bowls of potpourri. And while this may be a terribly sexist thing to say, I think that's something that women are conditioned from an early age to respond to; the Prince Charming figure. And TD? They're just a couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are definitely in the minority (to be fair, I think a lot of men dismiss TD for the same reason...they just aren't cool). I find it illuminating to look at the TD music that women I know *do* like. First of all, there's 'Love on a Real Train', from Risky Business. I've had a couple of requests to put this on mix tapes for female friends. I suspect the reason for this is that the music *has* a positive association: Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay having sex on a subway, and sexual fantasy in general. Then there's the Legend Soundtrack; I've known 2 or 3 women who liked it. Might we presume that's because it provided the soundtrack for a story about undying love, being carried away on horseback, fairytales? Then there's the Dream Mixes...which is sort of danceable, and is evocative of clubs, which women are just as home in as men are. This phenomenon isn't limited to TD. In the history of pop music in the latter half of the 20th century, pretty much every piece of instrumental music that became a hit did so because it had been used on a soundtrack. People were able to associate it with something positive in their minds. Why do men like TD so much, then? Obsession with technology, perhaps? Because men are unafraid to embrace their inner geek? From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Sean Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into the system and I bet we have a star! It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands). Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37747 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37750 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Of course, any monkey can paint too if you give some paint. Depends on ones view of what art is. I like TD for the music. Investigating how the way it is done pleases my techno mind. But I am a guy. TD fills that need. Well mostly. So I listen to TD. They are not the only type of Music I listen too or groups either. While I might spend more time working with TD material then most, there still is the fact that if one wants to make some money in this, they have to please a wide audience. Art for Art sake is great but one has to eat and enjoy other things materialist to balance. I am not surprise at the ratio of sexes. Same is true of any technology. Just another reflection. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > Sean > Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a > keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they > are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into > the system and I bet we have a star! > It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to > please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some > world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands). > > Dale > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Hi Jan, I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't have the Euro, etc... So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: PERGAMON To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > Regards > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > Hey gang, > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > Wade > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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PERGAMON pergamondk Sat 12/14/2002 5 KB 37735 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? vic rek kyivmission Sat 12/14/2002 3 KB 37775 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/16/2002 5 KB 37811 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? goatsong99 goatsong99 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37788 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? PERGAMON pergamondk Mon 12/16/2002 6 KB 37791 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/16/2002 7 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:32 pm Subject: ladies/girls and the uncertain >Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and *the uncertain* In the words of Norm Crosby, 'I resemble that!' Heh. ;) (All kidding aside, though, I am certain that I am androgyne -- which a type of person who is really neither man nor woman.) Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? =O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is no record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD also thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a thing or two from Jarre. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > Hi Jan, > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't > have the Euro, etc... > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? > Vic > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PERGAMON > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star > Trek > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Wade Gordon' > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > Hey gang, > > > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Hi Jan - great response - thank you. I know Peter Ravn - great guy! Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: PERGAMON To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > =O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't > think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due > to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is no > record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the > theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess > > Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn > has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark > is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD also > thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a thing > or two from Jarre. > > Jan From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:34 pm Subject: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. Cosmic Babies...Very Cosmic ;) Actually, Klaus Schulze has said some nice things about Cosmic Baby in the past. Of course, that was several years ago when Stellar Supreme was released. Cordially, Dave Kaufman > Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all synth line up,i > would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join the fold,Hugely > under-estimated musician.What do you think guys(n)gals. > > Best regards > > Mr James Saville. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Deb H-J Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:07 am Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain << I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this group could let me know what TD music appeals to them and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music is a turn off and why? >> You do have too much time on your hands! I have been listening to TD off and on through the past few decades, but didn't really 'fix' on them until the past few years, when I started collecting them. I was primarily a modern classical (Glass, Nyman, Reich, etc.) and Celtic/World music collector until then. Now I have this seemingly endless craving for electronic music, including TD. I prefer the Schmoelling era, and my favorite albums are Poland, Logos, Hyperborea, and Tangram, followed by the Melrose era albums ('Electric Lion' and 'Sungate' are two of my alltime favorite TD tracks). I also like many of the movie soundtracks, particularly The Keep and Risky Business. What TD music do I like the least? Some of the current stuff is a bit weak, and I cannot STAND anything with a sax in it (this is due to a strong aversion to Kenny G music). Of the contemporary work, I like 'Seven Letters From Tibet' quite a bit. I don't think its particularly a gender thing...its just that em/TD music fans are rare (both male and female). Hasta pasta, Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37738 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37742 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37753 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37746 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37741 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB From: Alysoun Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Hi: ><< I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in >this >group could let me know what TD music appeals to them >and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music >is a turn off and why? >> Any non-pop music in general will never appeal to the broad spectrum of people. You cannot dance to TD (thankfully) Thinking introspective music is what appeals to me. But most women are not intrigued by non-image performers. There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully. As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud. Allison Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37742 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37753 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37746 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain This whole 'why don't more women like TD' question comes up from time to time. For one of its prior appearances, back in 1999, I took a shot at answering it. I've gone back to read it, and I stand by pretty much everything I said. I'm going to repost it, with a few re-wordings (a 'Tangentized' version, if you will) Ultimately, taking in any work of art boils down to a dialogue between creator and experiencer. The encounter can remind you that someone else sees the world the same way you do; has experienced the same emotions as you. This is a very human desire. But for such a connection to be made, the viewer must understand what it is that the artist is saying. Art can communicate in many ways, however. Your ultimate impression of it can have as much to do with personal associations you make in your mind as you experience it, as it does with the works' actual content. Okay, maybe I'm being too obscure. Let me give you a personal example. When I hear Garth Brooks, I think of folks wearing cowboy hats, shouting 'yee haw', and line dancing. That might not be an accurate picture, but it prevents me from enjoying whatever musicianship Mr. Brooks may have to offer, because those are negative associations for me. Likewise, when I hear Motley Crue I see 'mullet' haircuts and too much eye makeup. I'm limiting my examples to the world of music, because that's where this little treatise is heading, but the same can be said for other art forms as well. I dislike ballet because I think of high society types in tuxedos showing us that they deserve their wealth because they're 'cultured'. I don't think women's general lack of acceptance for electronic music has to do with 'brain wiring'. How, then, to explain why Yanni, John Tesh and Vangelis have found cross-gender success? The answer, I think, is that Yanni and musicians of his ilk have cloaked themselves in associations with romance. They compose soundtracks for your own personal fantasies, while festooning their keyboards with candles and bowls of potpourri. And while this may be a terribly sexist thing to say, I think that's something that women are conditioned from an early age to respond to; the Prince Charming figure. And TD? They're just a couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are definitely in the minority (to be fair, I think a lot of men dismiss TD for the same reason...they just aren't cool). I find it illuminating to look at the TD music that women I know *do* like. First of all, there's 'Love on a Real Train', from Risky Business. I've had a couple of requests to put this on mix tapes for female friends. I suspect the reason for this is that the music *has* a positive association: Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay having sex on a subway, and sexual fantasy in general. Then there's the Legend Soundtrack; I've known 2 or 3 women who liked it. Might we presume that's because it provided the soundtrack for a story about undying love, being carried away on horseback, fairytales? Then there's the Dream Mixes...which is sort of danceable, and is evocative of clubs, which women are just as home in as men are. This phenomenon isn't limited to TD. In the history of pop music in the latter half of the 20th century, pretty much every piece of instrumental music that became a hit did so because it had been used on a soundtrack. People were able to associate it with something positive in their minds. Why do men like TD so much, then? Obsession with technology, perhaps? Because men are unafraid to embrace their inner geek? From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Sean Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into the system and I bet we have a star! It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands). Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37747 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37750 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Of course, any monkey can paint too if you give some paint. Depends on ones view of what art is. I like TD for the music. Investigating how the way it is done pleases my techno mind. But I am a guy. TD fills that need. Well mostly. So I listen to TD. They are not the only type of Music I listen too or groups either. While I might spend more time working with TD material then most, there still is the fact that if one wants to make some money in this, they have to please a wide audience. Art for Art sake is great but one has to eat and enjoy other things materialist to balance. I am not surprise at the ratio of sexes. Same is true of any technology. Just another reflection. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > Sean > Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a > keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they > are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into > the system and I bet we have a star! > It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to > please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some > world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands). > > Dale > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Hi Jan, I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't have the Euro, etc... So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: PERGAMON To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > Regards > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > Hey gang, > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > Wade > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37734 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? PERGAMON pergamondk Sat 12/14/2002 5 KB 37735 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? vic rek kyivmission Sat 12/14/2002 3 KB 37775 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/16/2002 5 KB 37811 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? goatsong99 goatsong99 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37788 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? PERGAMON pergamondk Mon 12/16/2002 6 KB 37791 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/16/2002 7 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:32 pm Subject: ladies/girls and the uncertain >Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and *the uncertain* In the words of Norm Crosby, 'I resemble that!' Heh. ;) (All kidding aside, though, I am certain that I am androgyne -- which a type of person who is really neither man nor woman.) Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? =O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is no record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD also thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a thing or two from Jarre. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > Hi Jan, > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't > have the Euro, etc... > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? > Vic > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PERGAMON > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star > Trek > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Wade Gordon' > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > Hey gang, > > > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Hi Jan - great response - thank you. I know Peter Ravn - great guy! Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: PERGAMON To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > =O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't > think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due > to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is no > record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the > theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess > > Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn > has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark > is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD also > thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a thing > or two from Jarre. > > Jan From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:34 pm Subject: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD. Cosmic Babies...Very Cosmic ;) Actually, Klaus Schulze has said some nice things about Cosmic Baby in the past. Of course, that was several years ago when Stellar Supreme was released. Cordially, Dave Kaufman > Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all synth line up,i > would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join the fold,Hugely > under-estimated musician.What do you think guys(n)gals. > > Best regards > > Mr James Saville. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Deb H-J Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:07 am Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain << I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this group could let me know what TD music appeals to them and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music is a turn off and why? >> You do have too much time on your hands! I have been listening to TD off and on through the past few decades, but didn't really 'fix' on them until the past few years, when I started collecting them. I was primarily a modern classical (Glass, Nyman, Reich, etc.) and Celtic/World music collector until then. Now I have this seemingly endless craving for electronic music, including TD. I prefer the Schmoelling era, and my favorite albums are Poland, Logos, Hyperborea, and Tangram, followed by the Melrose era albums ('Electric Lion' and 'Sungate' are two of my alltime favorite TD tracks). I also like many of the movie soundtracks, particularly The Keep and Risky Business. What TD music do I like the least? Some of the current stuff is a bit weak, and I cannot STAND anything with a sax in it (this is due to a strong aversion to Kenny G music). Of the contemporary work, I like 'Seven Letters From Tibet' quite a bit. I don't think its particularly a gender thing...its just that em/TD music fans are rare (both male and female). Hasta pasta, Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37738 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37742 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37753 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37746 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37741 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB From: Alysoun Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Hi: ><< I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in >this >group could let me know what TD music appeals to them >and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music >is a turn off and why? >> Any non-pop music in general will never appeal to the broad spectrum of people. You cannot dance to TD (thankfully) Thinking introspective music is what appeals to me. But most women are not intrigued by non-image performers. There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully. As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud. Allison Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37742 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37753 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB 37746 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain goatsong99 goatsong99 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Thanks to all those who have answered my curiosity... It just seemed that of the little pocket of society that had heard and enjoyed TD (that I'm aware of), there were so few females. Most other types of music seem to have a pretty good split between male and female fans. Maybe some day my better half will love Rubycon like I do! jonnyboy. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain --- Alysoun wrote: > Thinking introspective music is what appeals to me. Marry me! (my wife won't mind...except she's now going to thump me!) > There are no sex-symbols in electronic or > progressive music That Chris Franke nude spread in Playgirl didn't sell many issues (he needed the money and it was tastefully done...apparently) > > As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the > proud. > > Allison Give yourself a pat on the back. In all seriousness, it is good to have this group and to be in the company of like minded people who are aware that good music can be without vocals and last longer than 4minutes. jonnyboy. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37753 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun wrote: > > You cannot dance to TD (thankfully) Probably Edgar and Jerome don't agree with you, as they used dancers in the Sony Center topping out ceremony. You can see pictures and more details of this performance in Rainer Rutka's site at http://www.rutka.de/td/sonyv.htm Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37744 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB 37754 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 12/15/2002 2 KB From: Alysoun Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Antonio: When I say that you can't dance to it, I mean the house mix with 120 beats/minute style of dance. Allison >Alysoun wrote: > > > > You cannot dance to TD (thankfully) > >Probably Edgar and Jerome don't agree with you, as they used dancers in >the Sony Center topping out ceremony. You can see pictures and more >details of this performance in Rainer Rutka's site at >http://www.rutka.de/td/sonyv.htm > >Antonio Nunes > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film How many Star Trek movies are they going to make? lol I personaly thought the first 5 was enough.. but then I stopped watching it when I was 12 or so..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:10 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film Going to see it today Jan. They have a web site of course. My thoughts most likely will be biased anyway since I been watching Star Trek since day one. I will try to be a bit more object when I post. Jerry does have some very good pieces in the past. Dale From: 'goatsong99 ' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:35 am Subject: Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully. As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud. Should I worry that when I saw Moby on MTV Cribs I went into shock (good shock mind you) because the man had a bookshelf with books? lol That was (to me) better then any of the images/belongings/lifestyles/ect that any of them put out.. just seeing that maybe one of those people can read, and may actually enjoy it! lol I'm such a dork..lol From: 'goatsong99 ' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain I could care less who is making the music, what they look like, or what their image is. Good music is good music.. just like a person with a beautiful outside is still going to drive me up a wall if they can't think for themselves, or have a bad attitude or whatever. Sadly though, most people don't see this. Looks and materials are more important to them. :-( --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Admin' wrote: > Sean > Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a > keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they > are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into > the system and I bet we have a star! > It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to > please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some > world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands). > > Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37750 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Sun 12/15/2002 4 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun wrote: > > Antonio: > > When I say that you can't dance to it, I mean the house mix with 120 > beats/minute style of dance. OK, I should have mentioned the Dream Mixes albums :-) Antonio From: kostas karlis Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:37 pm Subject: TT2 arrived sorry for this late post byt i want to inform the one responsible for collecting this kind of info that i have my TT2 package safe at home waiting to be listened to. sorry once again for this byt due to a format i have lost the e-mail that i was supposed to reply to once again thank you to all those that made this thing available [from TD for playing till Heiko ,Joe and team for distrybiting and remastering] kostas from greece p.s. i have updated my status as received in the yahoo database, but i cannot find myself in there for TT3 [although i was signed in for all the TT ] any help? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37756 Re: TT2 arrived Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 12/15/2002 3 KB From: Alysoun Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Claudio Monteverdi, the great Italian 17th century composer said once: 'The purpose of all good music is to affect the soul' That is what it should boil down to. He was a casualty of the the music 'industry' then (when it was the patronage industry) and he knew. His music is some of the most sublime and affective ever written. MTV is the destroyer of worlds in this this. But while is destroyed the musicianship, it created a whole new aspect of music. It happened. Let's face it, it is not going away. But not everyone has fallen for it. People who think for themselves and follow their own tastes have always been a rarity in this world. The music industry is the music industry. The internet makes it easy to circumvent the whole music industry and that is a great thing. From what I understand about Moby he is a fluke. His music was used for commericals and he was the one responsible for promoting it. He's got a brain too, and a conscience. And I respect him for it. Maybe that is a ray of hope in the commericial side of the music industry. But I'll wager that someone in the industry suggested he 'beef up', change his style and conform. Okay rant over, back to TD now. I am relatively new to non-soundtrack TD but an old fan of the progressive music. We are the lucky ones, you know. Allison >I could care less who is making the music, what they look like, or >what their image is. Good music is good music.. just like a person >with a beautiful outside is still going to drive me up a wall if >they can't think for themselves, or have a bad attitude or whatever. >Sadly though, most people don't see this. Looks and materials are >more important to them. :-( > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Admin' wrote: > > Sean > > Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit >behind a > > keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what >ever they > > are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave >sound) into > > the system and I bet we have a star! > > It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish >to > > please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off >some > > world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl >bands). > > > > Dale > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! 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