From:
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 7:13
pm
Subject: Photos add
Hello all,
I add on my Homepage http://www.opticaldream.de
new photos from the Berlin and the Burg Nideggen Concert.
new photos Berlin 2002: 13x
new photo Burg Nideggen (backstage): 1x (thank to Frits/KLEM)
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
SEE US IN LONDON 2003 !!!
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From:
'tdcrjeff'
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: Interesting News from TDI
> > >I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo
if they
> > >where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that
spot and
> > >wipe it out with something else. Good thing most are dead so
they can't
> do
> > >this huh?
> >
> >
> > At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings
though, but
> > when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so
much that
> his
> > family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining
them!'
Ozzy Osbourne took his first two solo albums and had the bass and
drum parts re-recorded with new players because of bad blood with the
players that had originally done the albums.
-Jeff Lester
From:
'Kevin Ball'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 12:34
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] London 15.02.03
The nearest pub is The Hotspur.
... about a two minute walk!
It's about as good as you'll get in the area!
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Wojtecki [mailto:j.wojtecki@d...]
Sent: 04 November 2002 18:13
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] London 15.02.03
Still I'm sure we'll find a haunt. There's plenty of time to suss ( explore)
the scene.
Chris
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 12:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI
Same is true of Captain Beefheart but does that make it better?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tdcrjeff'
To:
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:40 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI
> > >I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo
if they
> > >where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that
spot and
> > >wipe it out with something else. Good thing most are dead so
they can't
> do
> > >this huh?
> >
> >
> > At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings
though, but
> > when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so
much that
> his
> > family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining
them!'
Ozzy Osbourne took his first two solo albums and had the bass and
drum parts re-recorded with new players because of bad blood with the
players that had originally done the albums.
-Jeff Lester
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:58
am
Subject: test
sorry, folks, but since my email from tadream comes with days of
delay, and right now not at all, I have to bother you again with
a
test
a.
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 3:54
pm
Subject: Edgar's Dalí Infuences
I was browsing a book about Salvador Dalí just the other day and
stumbled at a picture entitled 'Birth of Liquid Desires'... The TD
association is pretty trivial.
I wonder if anyone knows any other apparent Dalí connections?
John Vertical
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 3:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
Wahn?
(just kidding...)
armin
omegatransfinito wrote:
> I was browsing a book about Salvador Dalí just the other day and
> stumbled at a picture entitled 'Birth of Liquid Desires'... The TD
> association is pretty trivial.
> I wonder if anyone knows any other apparent Dalí connections?
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
Do a bit of research of the archives on this list and I bet you find your
answer. You might even be surprised that there are others on the list who
have meet Salvador Dali as well.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'omegatransfinito'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
I was browsing a book about Salvador Dalí just the other day and
stumbled at a picture entitled 'Birth of Liquid Desires'... The TD
association is pretty trivial.
I wonder if anyone knows any other apparent Dalí connections?
John Vertical
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: RE: London 15.02.03
>My wife is less than impressed, but
>accept my reasoning that the restaurants will be less crowded the
>following weekend, so I've just about got away with it.
I tried that - I'd have had more luck if I had suggested that valentines was
on the 21st because it was a leap valentines year.
Dan :-(
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
Administrator said 'You might even be surprised that there are others on the
list who have met Salvador Dali as well.'
I haven't come across this before. So who has met S Dali?
David
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
me, while I was stationed in Spain.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'fozziebear'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
> Administrator said 'You might even be surprised that there are others on
the
> list who have met Salvador Dali as well.'
>
> I haven't come across this before. So who has met S Dali?
>
> David
>
>
>
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re:_[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences
Don't you mean when you were sequenced in Spain?
- D
--- Administrator wrote:
> me, while I was stationed in Spain.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'fozziebear'
>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
>
>
> > Administrator said 'You might even be surprised
> that there are others on
> the
> > list who have met Salvador Dali as well.'
> >
> > I haven't come across this before. So who has
> met S Dali?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 10:12
pm
Subject: Re: Re:_[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences
hehehe
just a rogue midi file traveling the net
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dan Downey'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Re:_[tadream]_Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences
> Don't you mean when you were sequenced in Spain?
> - D
> --- Administrator wrote:
> > me, while I was stationed in Spain.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'fozziebear'
> >
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's Dalí Infuences
> >
> >
> > > Administrator said 'You might even be surprised
> > that there are others on
> > the
> > > list who have met Salvador Dali as well.'
> > >
> > > I haven't come across this before. So who has
> > met S Dali?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From:
'esculap'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:22
am
Subject: Re: Random personnel thoughts
>#4: Who are the people in the TT vol. 15 back cover? Edgar and Jerome, OK,
>and either of the two blokes on the sides must be Gerald - but that's the
>end of men personnel at that show, isn't it? Could the rightmost guy be
>actually a gal - if yes, which one of them?
>Or am I mistaken about Jacqueline being a women's name? (And what did she
>play at the show, anyway?)
Gerald is the rightmost.
The guy on the left (I can't remember his name...) didn't play in Warsaw in
2001.
The photo was taken from the promo folder (prepared before the show) so that
line-up isn't actual.
Dream on,
Andrzej
From:
'esculap'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:30
am
Subject: Re: Random personnel thoughts, cont.
>Or am I mistaken about Jacqueline being a women's name? (And what did she
>play at the show, anyway?)
It was surely a woman. She used a plenty of 'disturbing' things as much as
drums. And, of course, she (together with Iris) took our eyes away from the
getting-older-father-and-son-team.
Andrzej
From:
'esculap'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:39
am
Subject: Re: Interesting News from TDI
>>I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo if they
>>where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that spot and
>>wipe it out with something else.
>At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings though, but
>when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so much that his
>family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining them!'
Is Edgar going deaf ?? ;-)
Andrzej
From:
'tangram80'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:00
am
Subject: Porn Star CD?
Just saw this item on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919903024
What the hell is this?
Jeffrey
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI
Actually I read somewhere that he was difficult to communicate with
because his hearing was getting bad from his years surrounding
music esp. live music
Greg
NP: NuSpirit Helsinki
----- Original Message -----
From: 'esculap'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Interesting News from TDI
> >>I wonder how many artiest would pull down that painting and redo if they
> >>where still alive. They might not like that little bird in that spot and
> >>wipe it out with something else.
> >At least Claude Monét did this - not to his oldest paintings though, but
> >when going blind he was 'improving' his previous paintings so much that
his
> >family had to take them away from him, saying 'you're ruining them!'
>
> Is Edgar going deaf ?? ;-)
>
> Andrzej
>
>
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:55
am
Subject: 20 years
'Logos': London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982...was it really 20
years ago? Time flies... This was the first TD album which I bought
right after its release, it's one of the greatest albums ever, and I can
still remember my excitement when I heard it the first time, like as if
I finally found the holy grail :-)
Heiko
P.S.: birthday greetings to Al 'The TD's pal' Benson :-)
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:04
am
Subject: Re: London 15.02.03
Does anyone know of a restaurant near the Astoria so Dan can
conveniently suffer from an accute dose of the runs at 8pm ?
--- In tadream@y..., 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital
TR' wrote:
> >My wife is less than impressed, but
> >accept my reasoning that the restaurants will be less crowded the
> >following weekend, so I've just about got away with it.
>
> I tried that - I'd have had more luck if I had suggested that
valentines was
> on the 21st because it was a leap valentines year.
>
> Dan :-(
From:
'braddito'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:09
am
Subject: Re: Logos 20 years
I was listening to the Dominion show last night in anticipation of
the anniversary. It has some great music that still sounds so fresh.
I wonder if we'll get a reprise on 15th February ?
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> 'Logos': London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982...was it really 20
> years ago? Time flies... This was the first TD album which I bought
> right after its release, it's one of the greatest albums ever, and
I can
> still remember my excitement when I heard it the first time, like
as if
> I finally found the holy grail :-)
>
> Heiko
>
> P.S.: birthday greetings to Al 'The TD's pal' Benson :-)
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:15
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Logos 20 years
Oh, I can't remember that particular year. Perhaps
that's because I was born in 1983... Instead I fondly
think of the times when I got Live Miles. It was long
ago and I was still a rookie as a TD-fan... It was two
years ago... ;-)
Regards,
Marko Marin
> --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen
> wrote:
> > 'Logos': London Dominion Theatre 06 November
> 1982...was it really 20
> > years ago? Time flies... This was the first TD
> album which I bought
> > right after its release, it's one of the greatest
> albums ever, and
> I can
> > still remember my excitement when I heard it the
> first time, like
> as if
> > I finally found the holy grail :-)
> >
> > Heiko
> >
> > P.S.: birthday greetings to Al 'The TD's pal'
> Benson :-)
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD?
At 03:00 06.11.02, you wrote:
>Just saw this item on ebay:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919903024
>
>What the hell is this?
>
>Jeffrey
>
Dear Jeffrey,
this has nothing to do with TD, the band, but only with Tangerine Dream
XXX, the Canadian porn star. We are currently informing them that they will
have to drop the name TD from the record as we have the name registered as
a world wide trademark in connection with all known and unknown types of
audiovisual recording devices.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] translation problem
Thanks, John, for these explanations.
All the best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] translation problem
> >Does someone know what ' Vermond Curry ' mean ?
>
>
> Curry is an oriental spice mix (curcuma, cinnamon, peppers, etc.) to begin
> with. I'm not sure about 'Vermond' - it could be a misspelling of
'Vermont'
> (a USA state) but it could also be a name of some curry dish.
>
> John Vertical
From:
'Yanick Vigneault'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 1:18
pm
Subject: Re: Porn Star CD?
This is the site of this Canadian Quebecer Porn Star... Ok kids go to
bed!
In an tv interview she said that she knew the existence the REAL TD
origin...
http://www.tangerinedreamxxx.com/
Watch out! +(-_-)+
Yan
--- In tadream@y..., 'tangram80' wrote:
> Just saw this item on ebay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919903024
>
> What the hell is this?
>
> Jeffrey
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 2:28
pm
Subject: off topic-sound explorer
I am proud to announce that 'Sound Explorer' has a
brand new website and that this weekend all the
archieves will be available for your enjoyment. The
new web address is as follows: www.wadegordon.com.
Wade
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From:
'corporalcripp'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? I'm signed on as
a leaf.Has the list of shows to be offered on TT 3 been finalised
yet?-Bob rwoltanski@h...
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: Re:__Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences
Hi,
If I recall, Edgar was heavily influenced by Dali - they met in the 60's
when Edgar was an art student (?sculpture) and this had an profound effect
on him. I think he was also a kind of 'musician in residence' in the Dali
home for a summer, which he was still a 'traditional' musician. Afterwards,
Edgar decided that art was not for him, but he would try to do with music,
what Dali was doing in art - ie. challenge the boundaries etc.
I think this very early history is in Stumps much-criticised book, which I
actually quite enjoyed.
Daniel
np. 'A Dali-esque sleep fuse'
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:__Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences
Hi guys, got fed up waiting around for my new pc to turn up, so got the old
one out again!!!
I love Dali's work and had heard of the Edgar/Dali connection.
As an extra note, I belive Edgar and co played at Dali's home in Spain while
floating on a pontoon off the beach! - one split in the power cable and TD
would never have been born!!!
PAulus.d_UK
PS Maff..... your home address is buried deep in the backup files to be
imported to the new PC-I haven't forgot the Classic tree and will get in
touch as soon as poss...
-----Original Message-----
From: Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Date: 06 November 2002 16:12
Subject: [tadream] Re:__Edgar's_Dalí_Infuences
>Hi,
>
>If I recall, Edgar was heavily influenced by Dali - they met in the 60's
>when Edgar was an art student (?sculpture) and this had an profound effect
>on him. I think he was also a kind of 'musician in residence' in the Dali
>home for a summer, which he was still a 'traditional' musician. Afterwards,
>Edgar decided that art was not for him, but he would try to do with music,
>what Dali was doing in art - ie. challenge the boundaries etc.
>
>I think this very early history is in Stumps much-criticised book, which I
>actually quite enjoyed.
>
>Daniel
>
>np. 'A Dali-esque sleep fuse'
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
From: 'corporalcripp'
> When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree?
Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the post by this
weekend.
Maff
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:52
pm
Subject: Re.Logos 20 years
Just had to listen to it at high volume no neighbours at the moment
taking advantage.A absolutely superb album and who can believe it is
20 years since this great event, it still sounds fresh today and
probably will in another 20.
Cheers Gary
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
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From:
Ivan Yerkedoff
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:56
pm
Subject: TD @ London
Hi to all. Been reading all the comments about TD
playing in a standing room only place. When TD was
suppose to play in the US last year they were going to
play at the TLA in Philadelphia PA. This is a small
standing room and bar kind of place . I'm wondering if
this is what they intend to do IF they play in the US
next year?
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From:
Falcon
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 12:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Logos 20 years
At 08:52 PM 11/6/2002, you wrote:
>Just had to listen to it at high volume no neighbours at the moment
>taking advantage.A absolutely superb album and who can believe it is
>20 years since this great event, it still sounds fresh today and
>probably will in another 20.
How about adding the original Logos concert to the Tangerine Leaves set ?
Ramon
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 7:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
> When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? I'm signed on as
> a leaf.Has the list of shows to be offered on TT 3 been finalised
> yet?-Bob
Hello Bob,
the list of shows for TT3 has not been finalised yet, but I will come up with
a definite list as soon as possible. Right now the *candidates* are: Berlin
Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977,
Duesseldorf Philipshalle 21 October 1976, Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June
1997, Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29
November 1973, Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows 06 June 1986, and two more
concerts from the mid 70s.
Heiko
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From:
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 7:01
am
Subject: TD 2003 in Russia???
Hello,
to all Russian TD Fans, it gives rumors where Tangerine Dream will playing in
the next year also in Russia !!!!(St. Petersburg - Electroshock Festival and
Moscow).
I dont know, is it true?
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
'artofvision01'
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 9:48
am
Subject: Re: TD 2003 in Russia???
> Hello,
> to all Russian TD Fans, it gives rumors
>where Tangerine Dream will playing in the next
>year also in Russia !!!!(St. Petersburg -
>Electroshock Festival and Moscow).
> I dont know, is it true?
Well, I haven't heared anything about this, but that'd be
incredible!! I guess, I'd even visit St.Petersburg especially
to see them another time. They've never been in Russia before,
AFAIK.
Art Of Vision
From:
'braddito'
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 1:10
pm
Subject: OT : Any Polish members of this group ?
I'm trying to get hold of some software published in Poland which is
not available in the UK. If you might be able to help, please contact
me offline.
Thanks
Toby
From:
'corporalcripp'
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote:
>
> From: 'corporalcripp'
>
>
> > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree?
>
>
> Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the
post by this
> weekend.
>
>
>
Maff
Thanks,-Bob
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From:
'corporalcripp'
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
> > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree? I'm signed
on as
> > a leaf.Has the list of shows to be offered on TT 3 been finalised
> > yet?-Bob
>
> Hello Bob,
> the list of shows for TT3 has not been finalised yet, but I will
come up with
> a definite list as soon as possible. Right now the *candidates*
are: Berlin
> Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, Montreal Place des Arts 09
April 1977,
> Duesseldorf Philipshalle 21 October 1976, Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13
June
> 1997, Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, Berlin Deutschlandhalle
29
> November 1973, Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows 06 June 1986, and two
more
> concerts from the mid 70s.
>
> Heiko Thanks, Heiko.Is the april 9/77 show a 2cd?
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 8:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD?
Martin said this has nothing to do with TD, the band, but only with
Tangerine Dream XXX, the Canadian porn star. We are currently informing them
that they will have to drop the name TD from the record as we have the name
registered as a world wide trademark in connection with all known and
unknown types of
audiovisual recording devices.
Why not ask Ms Dream to do some exotic dancing on the 2003 tour? She could
start at the London Astoria
Maybe that's what they mean by standing room only.
David
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 10:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'fozziebear'
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD?
>
> Why not ask Ms Dream to do some exotic dancing on the 2003 tour? She
could
> start at the London Astoria
>
>
I think this would work well as Edgar has always had a porn star look about
him ;)
From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 10:19
pm
Subject: New Tatort Best of CD
Hi folks
Did anyone here check the recently released compilation CD 'Tatort - Die
Beste Musik aus 500 Folgen' [1] (Tatort - Best Of) ? It contains the White
Eagle track and I wonder if it is the original version previously unavailable
on CD.
Rene
1.
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006L75S/ref=pd_sims_dp__1/028-6818745-6\
870945
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 10:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Porn Star CD?
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:00:48 -0000 'Paul Lawler'
writes:
>[. . .] Edgar has always had a porn star look about him ;)
No no no; you're thinking of Ron Jeremy.
;)
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:32
am
Subject: test (sorry)(desculpem)
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:15
am
Subject: [tadream] OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge
I laughed when I read this comment from some website
dedicated to Mike Oldfield that said this:
'...this is not the one of my favourites. It starts
great but it's getting somehow 'old' with the time. Or
maybe it's just the name that's disgusting to me:
'Incantations'. Wizard of Oz ?!? Too bad, because I'm
Christian and believe in God and the Bible and
therefore not in any occult things (incantations). I
guess, this album makes me somehow nervous or
depressive. Though it has great parts on it.'
Okay, I don't mind if someone believes in God or
whatever, but that's just funny...
Anyway, my real topic is Hergest Ridge. I just got it
and already like it. It's much better than Tubular
Bells which I don't exactly love (it's a technical
masterpiece and the themes are great but there's
just something wrong or missing...), but I can see why
people say that TB is full of urban feel and HR is
more 'hilly' and open aired if you know what I mean.
My personal view is that two parts is telling a story
about the different seasons of the year.
Part One: First summer then autumn and finally
christmas.
Part Two: Spring (with the great thunderstorm
sequence) and the beginning of summer.
I've understood that the mix in the cd-version is the
one appeared in Boxed and not the original. I've heard
the original vinyl once or twice and can't say for
sure if it's better...
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:30
am
Subject: OT: Kraftwerk in Osaka
Hi everyone--
Sorry for the off-topic post. This might be a long shot, but is there anyone
else on the list who's planning to see Kraftwerk in Osaka, Japan on December
15? If so, let me know.
--Daniel
NP: Massive Attack - Protection
From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:28
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
I aked to be put on the classic tree some time ago and I still
Don't see my name there. How do I get on the list?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: corporalcripp [mailto:rwoltanski@h...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:25 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote:
>
> From: 'corporalcripp'
>
>
> > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree?
>
>
> Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the
post by this
> weekend.
>
>
>
Maff
Thanks,-Bob
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From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:35
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
Please disreguard my last email as I have found me on the list.
That's what happens when you wake up and don't smell the coffee
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:28 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
I aked to be put on the classic tree some time ago and I still
Don't see my name there. How do I get on the list?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:25 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
--- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote:
>
> From: 'corporalcripp'
>
>
> > When will distribution begin for the Classic Tree?
>
>
> Hopefully next week, if I can get all the discs done and in the
post by this
> weekend.
>
>
>
Maff
Thanks,-Bob
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 2:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree/TT 3 Questions
> Thanks, Heiko.Is the april 9/77 show a 2cd?
yup.
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:32
pm
Subject: off topic- 'Manhunter' ost
Does anyone out there know where I am acquire a copy
of #34;Manhunter#34; ost on c.d. or cassette?
Contact me privately if need be.
Wade
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject:
Hello everyone,
just to let you know my email address now is gustavojobim@s... , new
provider, now on DSL (FINALLY!), 256 kbps.
Joe, can I get the next Tangerine Tree sets downloading the SHNs with this
connection speed?
best regards,
GJ
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'Colin Jouxson'
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: Re: Porn Star CD?
--- In tadream@y..., Steven Feldman wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:00:48 -0000 'Paul Lawler'
> writes:
>
> >[. . .] Edgar has always had a porn star look about him ;)
>
> No no no; you're thinking of Ron Jeremy.
> ;)
>
> Stephe Feldman, androgyne
> http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
No No No youre thinking of John Holmes(Ooops);)
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 6:21
pm
Subject: selling some cds
Hello, Dreamers !
Do you know http://www.firetongue.com/ ?
They sell a software which catalog cds in cddb format... pretty piece of
software indeed and the author may like TD if I trust the screenshots and the
name both of the website (one of my favorite TD songs :-)) and the name of the
software : OrangeCD ;o)
I used the trial version to make a page for the CD I sell : each of them is
original and in excellent state.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd2sell
Please contact me offlist if you are interested...
Orange Regards ;o)
Fred
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From:
'Colin Jouxson'
Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 12:11
pm
Subject: Poland(The Warsaw concert83)
Took some time to chill out this morning,sat here and listened to
Poland(Relativity2CD)for the umpteenth time,God this is Magnificent.
Overcome with respect for these guys,AWESOME material.
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Dream Roots bonus CD - tangentized to what extent?
Okay, this is pure speculation since none of us have heard the original
tapes...
For starters: on Valley of the Sun, there's a repeatedly used rustling sound
that's also found from the beginning of Silver Scale on Tangents. Added
later for sure, just like the other rustling sound on Silver Scale (during
the main sequence).
Of the ambience layers of all 4 pieces, I guess I'm not taking huge risks by
claiming that the choral washes were added later. Same for some orchestral
bits presumably too.
Red Morpho sounds like that it's the most tangentized piece of the bunch.
I'd guess that only the rhytms and one or two melody bits were really
recorded in '85. As independent shells of finished pieces that is, not as
such a patchwork as Red Morpho is... 5-6 sections within 11 minutes?
sheesh...
Beach Bay Bunker resembles Mysterious Semblance a great deal in structure. I
wouldn't be surprized if it was originally only some 3 minutes long and was
stretched three times longet in '96...
Valley of the Sun and Vanishing Blue, the 2 most stable pieces, probably had
all their core elements already in '85. I can easily imagine what they would
have been like, had they appeared in some 86 concert: great, but in a
different way as they are great now.
John Vertical
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Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 6:01
pm
Subject: yahoo
Once again, I respond to a yahoo list and I get the dreaded mail, your
account had a hard bounce, 9 times. Funny it did it only once today and why
who the heck now as all the other mail is fine. But they count up all your
bounces over the years and make it sound like you got a major problem. Not
to mention having to visit that site again and redo.
Did I ever say how much I am starting to hate Yahoo for this type of crap?
(pardon my use of crap I had another word in mine at the time).
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From:
'Martin Mckee'
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 2:38
pm
Subject: Question - DSC
Hi,
Just a quick question RE:Digital
soundtrack..
On the tree in the database
a few people don't have supplier's
assigned[including me]. Is this
assigned, or do the tree members
make independent arrangements??
Thanks!
Martin.
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 10:17
pm
Subject: Underground Video and Music-CD: first 12 numbered copies are finished! Please read!
Some 'UNDERGROUND' news!
The first set of the discs are finished and will be posted to everybody
who are one of the lucky 12 who signed at first for the set.
I will send an email to them for the details.
To all the others: Don`t worry! Your set will be shipped in approx.
10 days, too.
See an excerpt of the (finished) booklet and the names of the lucky-12
on my UNDERGROUND page.
Please read the NEWS at the end of the page, too!
www.rutka.de/td -> UNDERGROUND
C U
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: [tadream] OT: Trading Jerry Goldsmith's Total Recall Deluxe
I would like to trade Total Recall Deluxe (includes
about 30 minutes more music than the original release
back in 1990) in movie scores from Hans Zimmer, John
Williams, Danny Elfman, etc. or stuff like Tangerine
Dream, AirSculpture, Steve Roach, etc. If interested,
contact me offlist.
Regards,
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From:
'orangefunk_2000'
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:21
pm
Subject: Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge
Wow someone mentioning 2 of my fav recordings of all time.
Yeah Hergest Ridge on LP sounds different to the one on CD.. Mike
remixed it back in 76 and changed it..
Personally I heard the CD before the LP so I prefer the CD.. the LP
sounds weird to me with big changes in sound..
Isn't that a lovely oboe melody to die for..
Also Incantations is one hell of a serious recording.. all that
multiple time sig stuff is amazing.. how the hell did they play it!?
My fav is the start of the vibes seq on track 4.. that sequence just
kills me.. esp when the bass joins in.. trippy or what... lovely
Solina string ensemble too..
Anothr great recording is Ommadawn, quite hippyish/psych but amazing,
that flute part/string synth that is towards the end of side 1.. what
can I say..
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 12:42
pm
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge
--- orangefunk_2000 wrote:
> Isn't that a lovely oboe melody to die for..
Almost.
> Also Incantations is one hell of a serious
> recording.. all that
> multiple time sig stuff is amazing.. how the hell
> did they play it!?
They propably used overdubs.
> Anothr great recording is Ommadawn, quite
> hippyish/psych but amazing,
> that flute part/string synth that is towards the end
> of side 1.. what
> can I say..
Ommadawn is my favourite album actually. The finale of
the first part is wonderful.
Regards,
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From:
'C. Chambers'
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 2:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: Incantations & Hergest Ridge
> > Anothr great recording is Ommadawn, quite
> > hippyish/psych but amazing,
> > that flute part/string synth that is towards the end
> > of side 1.. what
> > can I say..
>
> Ommadawn is my favourite album actually. The finale of
> the first part is wonderful.
>
Hah! I was almost late to my wedding listening to that part...I drove by
the church about 5 times before side 1 ended and I could pull into the
church lot. Certainly got me primed for the big leap :-)
My wife is a big MO fan too...so we drove away to start our honeymoon
listening to side 2...
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Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 2:55
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Subject: TaDream Trees -- Compliments
Hi All:
I'm coming out of lurk mode to say a thank you for the obvious love, care and
attention that went into making the first two trees. I traded for a set of the
discs and was very, very impressed with the sound and the
visual 'packaging'.
A big compliment to all involved with the trees.
It was also nice since the set arrrived on the weekend of my b-day (thanks
Rich!!) and the first disc was recorded on my b-day.
I imagine that when the trees were presented to the band that, despite them
frowning on bootlegs, Froese must have been very impressed and touched to know
that his fans cared about the music that deeply to create such a set as these.
I am looking forward to the Classic Tree discs and give an advance thank you to
all involved in what will certainly be another work of art.
Allison
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From:
'corporalcripp'
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:09
pm
Subject: hotmail problems
I'm unable to log in on hotmail so if anyone wishes to contact me go
to outernebula56@y... I'm signed on as a leaf on the Classic
Tree -hope I'm not out of the loop.--Bob
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:21
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #294
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #294 November 7, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System
Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc one of the two CD
set 'Atmospheric Conditions' by FSP on the Quantum label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Encore' by Tangerine Dream the Virgin label.
I also played the music of Radio Massacre International who will be in concert
at the next Gathering on November 16.
FSP and WW http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov
The Gathering http://thegatherings.org
Listen to WDIY http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Tangerine Dream Monolight Encore (Virgin)
VA [RMI] Let Me Hear You Say Yeah Hampshire Jam Preserved (none)
Mutation Vector Nebula Placebo Merchant (none)
Adam Schabtach Elephant Island * Elephant Island (Atomic City)
12:00 am
Free System Projekt Naiad Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
Free System Projekt Thalassa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
Free System Projekt Despina Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
Free System Projekt Galatea * Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free
System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one
from 'Cloudseeder' by WW on the VFR label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Audion' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry
Fast on the Passport label.
I will play the music of Radio Massacre International who will be performing at
the November 16th Gathering.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:53
pm
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 9, 2002
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The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and
on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
Show #11 November 9, 2002.
RECAP:
I started with spacemusic, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I
played the music of Radio Massacre International (RMI) who will play at the
next Gathering on November 16.
PLAYLIST:
Phase I/Space:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
VA [RMI] Pipe Hampshire Jam Preserved (none)
VA [Under the Dome] Launch Hampshire Jam Preserved (none)
Harold Grosskopf Come Pass the Gate Digital Nomad (AMP)
Harold Grosskopf Diving at the Reichstag Digital Nomad (AMP)
RMI Small Frozen North Frozen North (Centaur)
Phase II/Eclectic:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Ponce and Zebelman Declaration Song of Songs (Spring Hill)
Love Moods Cliff Side Village Deep Passion (Music Universe)
Xumantra Garuda Mambo Dance of Life (Xonic)
Alias Zone Phunque Lucid Dreams (Cyber Motion)
Dagobert Bohm Pacific Sundown Morning Flight (inak)
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
VA [Djam Karet] Stage Three The Official Bootleg (ProgWest)
VA [Deadwood Forest] King of the Skies The Official Bootleg (ProgWest)
Yes Don't Go Magnification (Beyond Music)
Entrance Alas Fugaces En La Tierra (Mylodan)
Cast Legacy's Executor Legacy (none)
Solaris The Martian Chronicles The Martian Chronicles (Gong)
Part IV *
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 25.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Trees -- Compliments
> I imagine that when the trees were presented to the band that, despite them
frowning on bootlegs, Froese must have been very impressed and touched to know
that his fans cared about the music that deeply to create such a set as these.
>
> I am looking forward to the Classic Tree discs and give an advance thank you
to all involved in what will certainly be another work of art.
Hi Allison,
the first Tree was sent to TDI directly, and I was told that Edgar was
impressed by both the sound quality and the cover artwork. I presented an
advance version of the 2nd Tree to him after the 'Inferno' concert in Berlin
five months
ago, and that was the first time I had the chance for a little conversation. He
told me that it's ok and that he likes what we are doing, but what really
p*isses him off are real pressed CDs which get sold and offered in large
quantities
in magazines or via Internet, and often for ridiculous high prices. He
especially mentioned the 'Electronic orgy' 4 cd bootleg compilation which -so
it seems- is the 'mother of all TD evil' to him, and in case the manufacturers
of this
set will finally get caught I assume they will face hard times ;-)
After the latest 'Inferno' concert in Nideggen I was able to present to Edgar
the final TT2 version (thanks again to Martin for making all this possible :-),
and I hope there will also be an opportunity to give the new TT#3 to both Edgar
and Martin after the London Astoria gig next February. It's still under 'heavy
construction' and most certainly won't be finished before December/January, but
I'm very confident that this time it will knock your TD socks off :-B
Heiko
n.p.: TT3 Vol.17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 ...unbelievable
sound quality, thanks Wouter!!
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] yahoo
I have the same problems since a week or so. As if they force you
to visit the website again and see all the advertising.
a.
Admin wrote:
> Once again, I respond to a yahoo list and I get the dreaded mail, your
> account had a hard bounce, 9 times. Funny it did it only once today and why
> who the heck now as all the other mail is fine. But they count up all your
> bounces over the years and make it sound like you got a major problem. Not
> to mention having to visit that site again and redo.
> Did I ever say how much I am starting to hate Yahoo for this type of crap?
> (pardon my use of crap I had another word in mine at the time).
>
> Dale
>
>
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From:
Winston
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: TaDream Trees by TDI?
What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other
trees:
* TD could make some extra money,
* there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and
* lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able
to find it and buy it.
(This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold
in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that
doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.)
-WBE
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI?
Sticky, when they may not have the rights to their own works at certain
concerts. Not to mention a lot of these where recorded in the audience not
exactly on the up and up. (most concerts have that forbid thing on recorders
and cameras). Not that it can't be done, but how much effort and time. Not
that it would not be worth it either. Then there are always the tapes in the
secret TD Safe that may hold some tid bits of gold and precious gems.
Dale
Any cat burglars out there? (stay away from my cats!)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Winston'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI?
> What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other
> trees:
> * TD could make some extra money,
> * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and
> * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able
> to find it and buy it.
> (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold
> in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that
> doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.)
> -WBE
>
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From:
David Butler
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:34
am
Subject: Off topic but cool
Okay...so I'm cruising through singles sites on the
internet and I start corresponding with a few women in
my area. So last Thursday I get an email from 'Robin',
she says that she has some tickets to a show and that
since her ex-boyfriend is in Texas he won't be going,
do I want to go. I say, yeah okay sure. Damn the luck,
it was Sheryl Crow...Of course, that may not be very
impressive, but Miss Sheryl was opening for another
band you may have heard of...The Rolling Stones! At
the very nice and new Pac Bell Park in San Francisco,
yeah where the Giant's lost their ass. The Rolling
Stones! Aren't they about the same age as Edgar? No
offense. The stage show was quite impressive and the
video screen was bigger than most houses. And
fireworks at the end, it was very cool. Sorry for the
off-topic, but thought you'd all like to know....David
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:28
am
Subject: Re: Ommadawn
<>
I just recently got this album on CD, after
having owned the LP for something like a decade
or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it
starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it
builds up to the first time we hear the melody
that's repeated near the end of side one with the
vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always
loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of
side two), as well.
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
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Jones
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From:
'braddito'
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 9:39
am
Subject: Re: Ommadawn/ Herget Ridge
Being a Brit, I've been able to listen to these albums whilst in the
countryside in the Shropshire/ Wales borders area which inspired much
of the music. I even went to Hergest Ridge while on honeymoon,
fortunately my wife likes Oldfield and enjoyed the experience. The
music seems so right for those beautiful hills - it was a very
uplifting time.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., Chris Richards wrote:
> < hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute
> part/string synth that is towards the end of side
> 1.. what can I say..>>
>
> I just recently got this album on CD, after
> having owned the LP for something like a decade
> or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it
> starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it
> builds up to the first time we hear the melody
> that's repeated near the end of side one with the
> vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always
> loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of
> side two), as well.
>
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-
James Earl Jones
>
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From:
Darren Fricker
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: date query
A quick query.
Tangerine Tree vol.4 is 4-Apr-77, Lisner Auditorium, Washington.
When I was updating my tradelist I find that I also have another show listed on
4-Apr-77, Place Des Arts, Montreal, Canada [Patrolling Space Borders].
Can someone confirm the correct dates for these two [I'm presuming/hoping that
the TT one is correct].
Cheers.
Darren.
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] date query
From: 'Darren Fricker'
>
> Can someone confirm the correct dates for these two [I'm presuming/hoping that
the TT one is correct].
Lisner Auditorium is indeed 4th April 1977. Place des Arts is 9th April 1977. A
much better recording than Patrolling Space Borders is due in TT#3.
Maff
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:20
pm
Subject: yeah where the Giant's lost their ass.
>yeah where the Giant's lost their ass.
[pedant] hmm, I thought they lost it in Anaheim's Edison Field....
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:21
pm
Subject: Re: Ommadawn/Hergest Ridge
<>
So, is it really good to be on horseback? ;-)
'Hey, away we go/Through the grass/Cross the
snow/Big brown beastie/Big brown face/I'd rather
be with you than flying through space'.
=====
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'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1566
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:28:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Richards
> Subject: Re: Ommadawn
>
> < hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute
> part/string synth that is towards the end of side
> 1.. what can I say..>>
>
> I just recently got this album on CD, after
> having owned the LP for something like a decade
> or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it
> starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it
> builds up to the first time we hear the melody
> that's repeated near the end of side one with the
> vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always
> loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of
> side two), as well.
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
For those interested, there's a big up-to-date interview with Mike Oldfield with
previously unseen pics here;
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixconcerts.html
and the same site has reviews of many TD, Klaus Schulze, Ashra and related CD's;
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:26
am
Subject: Re: Gentile show
I sure would like to get a recording of this show interviewing EF (without
the commercials which would probably bring it down to one disc) on cd-r. Is
that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine Tree whatever# ? For that
matter, what about including many of the wonderful interviews from the past
on a tree? Heiko?
Oh, and I just saw the DVD tree of concerts mentioned a while ago. I was
drooling. Am I too late? Assuming I might get some money this Christmas, is
this a future possible purchase? Duncan?
Please contact off list: outlanda60@h...
Thanks. 8-Dell
All IMO of course
NP: well, it was the Lou Gentile show til I got thrown out
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn/Hergest Ridge
I have to chip in my 2cents and agree that Ommadawn is
a really beautiful album! A good cd for woolly jumpers
and cold, snowy nights with a glass of brandy :-)
--- Chris Richards wrote: >
< on honeymoon, fortunately my wife likes Oldfield
> and enjoyed the experience. >>
>
> So, is it really good to be on horseback? ;-)
>
> 'Hey, away we go/Through the grass/Cross the
> snow/Big brown beastie/Big brown face/I'd rather
> be with you than flying through space'.
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
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> flamingos?'-James Earl Jones
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn
At 18:28 12.11.02, you wrote:
><hippyish/psych but amazing, that flute
>part/string synth that is towards the end of side
>1.. what can I say..>>
>
>I just recently got this album on CD, after
>having owned the LP for something like a decade
>or more. Lovely album! I always liked the way it
>starts, with the harp and guitars and the way it
>builds up to the first time we hear the melody
>that's repeated near the end of side one with the
>vocal. And it might sound crazy, but I've always
>loved On Horseback (the folk song at the end of
>side two), as well.
>
>
>=
Did you get the new HDCD-Version? I own both the old and the new version
and the HDCD sounds so much better, I was impressed. It does not vene sound
like the recording was made in the Seventies anymore.
Yeah... I love this album, too. 'On Horseback' is a hilarious
parody/comment on 'Space Rock' and 'Space Music', if you wish to read the
lyrics in that way.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:00
am
Subject: DVD tree
Is the concerts DVD tree still going to happen ? Sorry if its been discussed
but I only get chance to follow threads now and again .
Paul
From:
'Heiko Heerssen'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:32
pm
Subject: Re: Gentile show
--- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote:
> I sure would like to get a recording of this show interviewing EF
(without
> the commercials which would probably bring it down to one disc) on
cd-r. Is
> that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine Tree whatever# ? For
that
> matter, what about including many of the wonderful interviews from
the past
> on a tree? Heiko?
Hi Dell,
I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an indexed version by
leaving out the commercials), but still it was much too long to make
it fit onto just 1 CDR.
Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, I don't want to, it
does not go together well. But it would be an interesting idea for
another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD interview series ('On air')
and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this might be a good
resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with the Tangerine Tree
and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have to put it into some
other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an 'interview tree'
would be of big interest. But I find most of the interviews very
interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou Gentile show where
Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good idea.
Comments?..
Heiko
P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the persons which were
involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION', I can
imagine how much time and effort went into it, and it's worth every
second :-)
P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or 5th time now since
two months, and therefore had to reactive my account. If there's
something I don't ever want to read again than it's surely 'bouncing
history' #*+%&$'&!!
From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:46
pm
Subject: Melrose re-recorded
Well quiet here...;-)
Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's web:
Hi,
All three albums are COMPLETELY re-recorded and some tracks sound quite
different. Some guitar work has been added by 'Marc Hornby' and 'Iris' did
some percussion work as well. And last but not least, each CD contains an
unreleased bonus track from that time.
More about this product in the next few days.....
greets,
Admin
Look at
http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum&op=threadview&topicid=114&fo
rumid=4#759
Peter
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
Have they been re-recorded using a lot of the original sounds as well or are
they all remixed with the current TDI sounds .Are any of the original live
performances kept in the new mixes (Sax/Flute , Long Island Sunset , Eds
guitar solos etc)
Will there be mp3s of the new versions any time soon , and when do you
expect a release date ?
I'm looking forward to these as Lily and Optical are favourites of mine .
Lets hope the new versions are good enough to stand up in their own right .
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Peter Ravn'
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
> Well quiet here...;-)
>
>
> Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's web:
> Hi,
>
> All three albums are COMPLETELY re-recorded and some tracks sound quite
> different. Some guitar work has been added by 'Marc Hornby' and 'Iris' did
> some percussion work as well. And last but not least, each CD contains an
> unreleased bonus track from that time.
> More about this product in the next few days.....
>
> greets,
> Admin
>
> Look at
>
http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum&op=threadview&topicid=114&fo
> rumid=4#759
>
> Peter
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
> Well quiet here...;-)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................
> Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's web:
I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of
Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-)
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From:
mengels@w...
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
Citeren Heiko Heerssen :
> > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's
> web:
>
> I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of
> Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-)
Why do they re-record or tangentize their music?
Sure you don't have to buy it if you don't like it (I don't
even have the original Melrose albums...don't like it at
all).
It's like tangentizing new material...weird. :-)
I'll see if I can tangentize some of the new albums with
mellotron sounds and Moog basses haha.
Marcel
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From:
'Heiko Heerssen'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:43
pm
Subject: Re: TaDream Trees by TDI?
--- In tadream@y..., Winston wrote:
> What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the
other
> trees:
> * TD could make some extra money,
> * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and
> * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be
able
> to find it and buy it.
> (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced
and sold
> in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that
> doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.)
> -WBE
All I can say is 'thank you' to Martin and/or Edgar for not having
pulled the plug until now, and I guess we can all be happy that they
do not hinder us from trading unreleased Tangerine Dream music which
is indeed a violation of copyrights and of intellectual property. It
is still a 'legal minefield' (to quote Klaus B.), and I have no
desire to step on a 'TD bomb'. They seem to be quite open-minded
about trading CDRs, I wonder what would have happened to me if I have
had the idea of starting a Klaus Schulze CDR tree instead...because
his manager seems to be the total opposite from 'our manager' Martin
K. (I once made the 'mistake' of quoting something from out of
the 'KS circle' newsletter on the Tadream list, and it got me in real
trouble. He threatened to kick me out of the list in case I do this
again, and I unsubscribed from the KS circle immediately..man, those
Germans really don't have any kind of humour at all!! ;-)
Regarding the idea of TDI offering the Tangerine Tree editions, this
is even beyond wishful thinking, and would be a monstrous joke if it
would really happen!
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TaDream Trees by TDI?
Hi,
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
[snip]
> K. (I once made the 'mistake' of quoting something from out of
> the 'KS circle' newsletter on the Tadream list, and it got me in real
> trouble. He threatened to kick me out of the list in case I do this
> again, and I unsubscribed from the KS circle immediately..man, those
> Germans really don't have any kind of humour at all!! ;-)
ah, was that the story with Guru Guru and that speacial tea ingredient
just before that gig etc etc bla bla??? Very funny story, I remember.
On the other hand, that meta-KS guy (who ensures KS an income,
I suppose) was very frankly telling very private stories about KS
in a reply to a private email a friend of mine once sent him (and
this friend of mine did not ask for private detail but just tried
to spot a track KS once gave as an encore in a concert in 1983).
Promise I won't tell anybody.
I'm never really sure what to think about KDM (ops, there I almost
mentioned his name) or what he writes in KS CD booklets. Nevertheless,
if its him who is behind the 5/10/25/50 non-tangentised CD box releases,
then I'm glad he is around.
a.
>
> Regarding the idea of TDI offering the Tangerine Tree editions, this
> is even beyond wishful thinking, and would be a monstrous joke if it
> would really happen!
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
They're the MIDI albums, there is no reason why they can't feed the files
through new equipment and get a newer sounding album, wouldn't take a lot of
work and could sound great.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
> Citeren Heiko Heerssen :
>
> > > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's
> > web:
> >
> > I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions
of
> > Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-)
>
> Why do they re-record or tangentize their music?
> Sure you don't have to buy it if you don't like it (I don't
> even have the original Melrose albums...don't like it at
> all).
> It's like tangentizing new material...weird. :-)
> I'll see if I can tangentize some of the new albums with
> mellotron sounds and Moog basses haha.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
>
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From:
Falcon
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
At 02:09 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote:
> > Well quiet here...;-)
>
>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................
So, thats what you do at work. . . fascinating ;-))))))
Ramon
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
> > > Some info on the 3 Melrose years albums re-recorded surfaced on TD's
> > web:
> >
> > I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions
>of
> > Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-)
I have nothing against this kind of action if the original versions will
still, however, remain avaivable. Period.
>I'll see if I can tangentize some of the new albums with
>mellotron sounds and Moog basses haha.
>
>Marcel
Sounds like a good thought indeed... ;-)
John Vertical
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose re-recorded
>>
> np: nothing, but my dad is playing Scubert
>
Does he mind ?
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can now buy the disk's from
the show...
In light of doing something that is copywrite and one can obtain for a fee,
I decided not to make copies.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:32 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote:
> > I sure would like to get a recording of this show interviewing EF
> (without
> > the commercials which would probably bring it down to one disc) on
> cd-r. Is
> > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine Tree whatever# ? For
> that
> > matter, what about including many of the wonderful interviews from
> the past
> > on a tree? Heiko?
>
> Hi Dell,
> I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an indexed version by
> leaving out the commercials), but still it was much too long to make
> it fit onto just 1 CDR.
>
> Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, I don't want to, it
> does not go together well. But it would be an interesting idea for
> another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD interview series ('On air')
> and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this might be a good
> resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with the Tangerine Tree
> and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have to put it into some
> other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an 'interview tree'
> would be of big interest. But I find most of the interviews very
> interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou Gentile show where
> Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good idea.
> Comments?..
>
>
> Heiko
>
> P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the persons which were
> involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION', I can
> imagine how much time and effort went into it, and it's worth every
> second :-)
>
> P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or 5th time now since
> two months, and therefore had to reactive my account. If there's
> something I don't ever want to read again than it's surely 'bouncing
> history' #*+%&$'&!!
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 5:44
pm
Subject: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
Heiko wrote:
> I'm open for surprises, but I wonder what will come next: new versions of
> Rockoon, Turn of the tides and Tyranny of beauty? :-)
Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were the band's
definite nadir, although the DM versions of three of the TOB tracks did
breath some considerable new life into them. Actually, I quite liked Turn of
the Tides...
Roger Hartopp
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 8:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
Gee, that was me who asked those interesting
questions.
Wade
--- Administrator wrote:
> last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can
> now buy the disk's from
> the show...
>
> In light of doing something that is copywrite and
> one can obtain for a fee,
> I decided not to make copies.
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:32 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
>
>
> > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland'
> wrote:
> > > I sure would like to get a recording of this
> show interviewing EF
> > (without
> > > the commercials which would probably bring it
> down to one disc) on
> > cd-r. Is
> > > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine
> Tree whatever# ? For
> > that
> > > matter, what about including many of the
> wonderful interviews from
> > the past
> > > on a tree? Heiko?
> >
> > Hi Dell,
> > I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an
> indexed version by
> > leaving out the commercials), but still it was
> much too long to make
> > it fit onto just 1 CDR.
> >
> > Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no,
> I don't want to, it
> > does not go together well. But it would be an
> interesting idea for
> > another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD
> interview series ('On air')
> > and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this
> might be a good
> > resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with
> the Tangerine Tree
> > and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have
> to put it into some
> > other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an
> 'interview tree'
> > would be of big interest. But I find most of the
> interviews very
> > interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou
> Gentile show where
> > Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good
> idea.
> > Comments?..
> >
> >
> > Heiko
> >
> > P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the
> persons which were
> > involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK
> COLLECTION', I can
> > imagine how much time and effort went into it, and
> it's worth every
> > second :-)
> >
> > P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or
> 5th time now since
> > two months, and therefore had to reactive my
> account. If there's
> > something I don't ever want to read again than
> it's surely 'bouncing
> > history' #*+%&$'&!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'Sean Montgomery'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 9:57
pm
Subject: Re: Melrose re-recorded
Ha! So my initial cynical suspicions have been confirmed. Another
cash grab. I'm sure that Atlas Eyes with Iris' bongos will be 200%
better. And the unreleased tracks will be stellar, like Fort Worth
Runway One, and Rocky Mountain Hawk...right? Or will they actually be
re-titled tracks from Edgar's 'Beyond the Storm'? Oh, sorry, TDI
would never do that, would they?
But hey, maybe I'm being too harsh. TD's fans obviously love this
'revisited' stuff, or they'd stop buying it, and Edgar would stop
doing it...right? I-Box was the best thing ever, wasn't it? Worth
every penny! Like that super-awesome demo version of Cat Scan, which
was 'quite different' from the original. But now they'll overdub some
even newer guitar plucking or oboe sounds, so it'll *really* rock the
house. So step up and buy the Melrose Years, so Edgar will be
encouraged to start working on those re-recordings of Oasis and Mars
Polaris that you've been hungering for.
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 10:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
Right Wade,
I just wanted to make sure everyone knew they could contact the show and get
this interview... It does not need to be tree'ed esp. when it is available.
I am not at my main system, so I do not have the old past handy or time to
visit yahoo to dig, hence the reference post to see the show's site. I hope
this clears it up for everyone.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Wade Gordon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
> Gee, that was me who asked those interesting
> questions.
>
> Wade
> --- Administrator wrote:
> > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can
> > now buy the disk's from
> > the show...
> >
> > In light of doing something that is copywrite and
> > one can obtain for a fee,
> > I decided not to make copies.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:32 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
> >
> >
> > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland'
> > wrote:
> > > > I sure would like to get a recording of this
> > show interviewing EF
> > > (without
> > > > the commercials which would probably bring it
> > down to one disc) on
> > > cd-r. Is
> > > > that possible? Could it be part of Tangerine
> > Tree whatever# ? For
> > > that
> > > > matter, what about including many of the
> > wonderful interviews from
> > > the past
> > > > on a tree? Heiko?
> > >
> > > Hi Dell,
> > > I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an
> > indexed version by
> > > leaving out the commercials), but still it was
> > much too long to make
> > > it fit onto just 1 CDR.
> > >
> > > Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no,
> > I don't want to, it
> > > does not go together well. But it would be an
> > interesting idea for
> > > another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD
> > interview series ('On air')
> > > and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this
> > might be a good
> > > resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with
> > the Tangerine Tree
> > > and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have
> > to put it into some
> > > other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an
> > 'interview tree'
> > > would be of big interest. But I find most of the
> > interviews very
> > > interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou
> > Gentile show where
> > > Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good
> > idea.
> > > Comments?..
> > >
> > >
> > > Heiko
> > >
> > > P.S.: just wanted to say 'thank you' to the
> > persons which were
> > > involved in producing the 'DIGITAL SOUNDTRACK
> > COLLECTION', I can
> > > imagine how much time and effort went into it, and
> > it's worth every
> > > second :-)
> > >
> > > P.P.S.: I got kicked out by Yahoo! for the 4th or
> > 5th time now since
> > > two months, and therefore had to reactive my
> > account. If there's
> > > something I don't ever want to read again than
> > it's surely 'bouncing
> > > history' #*+%&$'&!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
Hi Heiko,
I have produced for myself a single CDR version of the Lou Gentile show,
which has a running time of just under 61 minutes. This has all the
commercials, etc, edited out. It also has fade outs and fade ins on all the
TD music used during the interview. I don't know about the other guys out
there, but there's nothing more frustrating for me to find that a two hour
Edgar Froese interview actually contains about 40 minutes of album music !
If I want to hear the music, I can simply play the actual CD. Because of
this, the version I have only has the talking, and so has a shorter running
time capable of being included on a single disc. Let me know if you may be
interested in a copy.
- Chris
> Hi Dell,
> I have the Lou Gentile show on CDR (I made an indexed version by
> leaving out the commercials), but still it was much too long to make
> it fit onto just 1 CDR.
>
> Regarding interviews on the 'Tangerine Tree'..no, I don't want to, it
> does not go together well. But it would be an interesting idea for
> another seperate 'tree'. I have my own TD interview series ('On air')
> and so far have compiled about 100 CDRs, so this might be a good
> resource to start with. However, I'm too busy with the Tangerine Tree
> and also with Tangerine leaves that I would have to put it into some
> other trustworthy hands. Also, I'm not sure if an 'interview tree'
> would be of big interest. But I find most of the interviews very
> interesting and entertaining (especially the Lou Gentile show where
> Edgar talked about UFO's), so it may be a good idea.
> Comments?..
>
>
> Heiko
>
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from you sans commercials?
8-Dell
NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: Wade Gordon
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST)
>
>Gee, that was me who asked those interesting
>questions.
>
>Wade
>--- Administrator wrote:
> > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you can
> > now buy the disk's from
> > the show...
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From:
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Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
'Roger Hartopp' wrote:
>Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were >the band's
definite nadir [cut]
Says you! I've never understood why everyone hates TOB so much - I love it.
--Daniel
NP: Funker Vogt - Survivor
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...]
>Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were the band's
definite nadir, although the DM versions of three of the TOB tracks did
breath some considerable new life into them.
Nadir, my ass! Rockoon rocks (and so does TOB)! In the summer time,
those two get a lot of convertible play! They may not be in the same
ballpark musically as Rubycon or Logos, but then, I don't think they
were supposed to be...
- jim
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:28
am
Subject: logos...
It had been a looong time since I last played Logos, because it's not really
one of my favourites, but I have to say, listening to one such album (like I
last did yesterday), or Stratosfear, or Force Majeure, even makes me embarassed
to say 'I make some music'... those are indeed incredible.
just a bit of your regular fanmail...
gj np. black star, the bends, radiohead
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:03
am
Subject: Re: Ommadawn
<>
Well, my copy is on Disky records, and is from
96, so I'm guessing it's not the HDCD. I didn't
even KNOW there was an HDCD out of this album.
:-(
<>
Huh, I never thought of it that way, but I
suppose that makes sense. I guess with all the
'space rock' that was going on, Oldfield chose to
offer a 'rural rock' piece, eh? :-)
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
That is not a problem at all. But the commercials are
incredibly funny especially the one for the dog
collar. Just contact Lou at the following e-mail
address: lougentile@l...
Wade
--- Adele Outland wrote:
> Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from
> you sans commercials?
> 8-Dell
>
> NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling
>
> As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>
> >From: Wade Gordon
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
> >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Gee, that was me who asked those interesting
> >questions.
> >
> >Wade
> >--- Administrator wrote:
> > > last word I saw when I offered the disk was you
> can
> > > now buy the disk's from
> > > the show...
>
>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:28
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #295
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #295 November 14, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System
Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc one of the two CD
set 'Cloudseeder' by Wave World on the VFR label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Audion' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on
the Passport Records label. I also played the music of Radio Massacre
International who will be in concert at the next Gathering on November 16.
Two Dutch Bands
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov
The Gathering http://thegatherings.org
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records)
Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records)
Steve Curtain Phase Machine I Wires On Dry Trees Turn Night
Into Day (none)
RMI Planets in the Wires Planets in the Wires (Northern
Echo Recordins)
Metlay! Annapurna 2k2 After Silence (Atomic City)
VA [Fanger, Schonwalder Echo Gods [Tom van Draft First Decade 1992-2002
with Lutz Ulbrich Remix] (Manikin)
Mikronesia Barron Mikronesia (none)
vidnaObmana Echoes of Steel - I An Opera for Four Fusion Works
(Hypnos)
Wave World Star's End - Part I Cloudseeder (VFR)
12:00 am
Wave World Cloudseeder Cloudseeder (VFR)
Wave World Psycho Eggs Cloudseeder (VFR)
Wave World Star's End - Part II Cloudseeder (VFR)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free
System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two
from 'Atmospheric Conditions' by Free System Projekt on the Quantum label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Games' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry
Fast, on the Passport label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
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Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
no mp3 file of it around... ??? ;-)
Wade Gordon wrote:
> That is not a problem at all. But the commercials are
> incredibly funny especially the one for the dog
> collar. Just contact Lou at the following e-mail
> address: lougentile@l...
>
> Wade
> --- Adele Outland wrote:
>
>>Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from
>>you sans commercials?
>>8-Dell
>>
>>NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling
>>
>>As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>>
>>
>>>From: Wade Gordon
>>>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>>>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
>>>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>>Gee, that was me who asked those interesting
>>>questions.
>>>
>>>Wade
>>>--- Administrator wrote:
>>>
>>>>last word I saw when I offered the disk was you
>>>>
>>can
>>
>>>>now buy the disk's from
>>>>the show...
>>>>
>>
>>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:17
pm
Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia
Important news I felt compelled to cross post. --Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chuck van Zyl'
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:54 AM
Subject: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia
> Following their appearance at The Gatherings Concert Series on
> Saturday 16 November 2002 at 8pm in the church sanctuary of
> St. Mary's Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn
> campus in Univesity City Philadelphia, PA, English based
> Spacemusic trio Radio Massacre International are scheduled to
> play on into the night on the STAR'S END broadcast of 11.17.02.
> Please tune in this week for live music by RMI and details on
> their visit to Philadelphia.
>
> STAR'S END is webcast live every week at: http://xpn.org
>
> - Below excerpted from from: www.progwest.com -
>
> 'Fans of Klaus Schulze, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, Lustmord
> and Ash Ra Tempel will find familiar elements within RMI's
> music - complex, gradually developing sequencer patterns,
> otherworldly atmospherics, analog synthesizers and soaring
> guitar work are all integral parts of their sound. As befits a
> musical outfit dedicated to improvisation and experimentation,
> the 'style' of Radio Massacre International is somewhat
> amorphous; it develops from album to album, but always along
> a logical continuum. The first releases took their cues from the
> 'Berlin school' of 1970s electronic music - the sequencer and
> analog synth-driven soundscapes. Later albums add other
> instruments and influences, giving the band's sound more depth
> and a more experimental character. Their shows are dominated
> by lengthy improvisations, ensuring that each RMI performance
> is unique and memorable....'
>
> For more on Radio Massacre International, access their STAR'S
> END Profile: http://www.starsend.org/rmi.html
>
> For more on the Radio Massacre International concert at The
> Gatherings Concert Series, access:
> http://www.thegatherings.org
> -
> STAR'S END broadcasts every Saturday night/Sunday morning
> from 1am-6am (EDST) on:
>
> 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA
> 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA
> 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD
> 104.9fm Allentown, PA
> and live on the web...
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:42
pm
Subject: OT - the MO HDCDs Re: [tadream] Re: Ommadawn
>Well, my copy is on Disky records, and is from
>96, so I'm guessing it's not the HDCD. I didn't
>even KNOW there was an HDCD out of this album.
>:-(
The whole Virgin catalog was remastered on HDCD. Specially recommended are all
the 70s albums; the later albums, as the people at the MO list said, don't show
a big difference. I have only the Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn HDCDs; the first
was my first CD of HR, so I can't compare, but I had the older CD of Ommadawn
and it's indeed a great difference. It's only a shame the covers and booklets
are worse in the HDCDs and the liner notes are awful with a myriad of mistakes.
Apart from that, the only flaw in Ommadawn HDCD is a little glitch somewhere in
the first minutes of Part Two. A terrible shame in this album, which is my
favourite MO album. One of the rare pieces of music that can actually bring me
tears sometimes. Still gotta get the Incantations HDCD. Inc is fascinating.
Five Miles Out would be nice too as it's one of my favourites and most played
MO album.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:53
pm
Subject: re re-recordings
me, I just want a re-recording of electronic meditation ;)
--T
np the police 5 march 1979 UCDavis coffeehouse
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
As far as I know that is not a problem, but then again
I just love the commercials. Just shoot Lou an
e-mail.
Wade
--- Armin Theissen wrote:
> no mp3 file of it around... ??? ;-)
>
> Wade Gordon wrote:
>
> > That is not a problem at all. But the commercials
> are
> > incredibly funny especially the one for the dog
> > collar. Just contact Lou at the following e-mail
> > address: lougentile@l...
> >
> > Wade
> > --- Adele Outland wrote:
> >
> >>Ok, so, Wade: is it possible to buy this show from
> >>you sans commercials?
> >>8-Dell
> >>
> >>NP: TT2/14/Trap Feeling
> >>
> >>As time slips into memory, memory fades into
> dreams.
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Wade Gordon
> >>>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >>>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Gentile show
> >>>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:05 -0800 (PST)
> >>>
> >>>Gee, that was me who asked those interesting
> >>>questions.
> >>>
> >>>Wade
> >>>--- Administrator wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>last word I saw when I offered the disk was you
> >>>>
> >>can
> >>
> >>>>now buy the disk's from
> >>>>the show...
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:01
pm
Subject: Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
> 'Roger Hartopp' wrote:
>
> >Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were >the band's
definite nadir [cut]
>
> Says you! I've never understood why everyone hates TOB so much - I love
it.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Funker Vogt - Survivor
Only 'Catwalk' is worth anything... I can't remember the tunes to the rest
of them!
> From: 'Jim Moore'
> Subject: RE: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
>
> From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...]
> >Oh, PLEASE! Rockoon and particularly Tyranny of Beauty were the band's
> definite nadir, although the DM versions of three of the TOB tracks did
> breath some considerable new life into them.
>
> Nadir, my ass! Rockoon rocks (and so does TOB)! In the summer time,
> those two get a lot of convertible play! They may not be in the same
> ballpark musically as Rubycon or Logos, but then, I don't think they
> were supposed to be...
>
> - jim
'Rockoon' is the better of the two with 'Big City Dwarves' certainly
rocking, but I agree that these were not supposed to be 'in the same
ballpark' as the stuff we know and love. Personally, the guitar was far too
intrusive. But then as I dislike the gutitar dominated albums, so I quite
like some of the vocal albums which I know gets under a lot of folks' noses
here. (On the subject of the guitar being too intrusive, does anyone think
Gerald Gradwuhl's guitar kind of wrecks the mix on TT Volume 15 at Warsaw?).
When 'Oasis', 'What A Blast' and 'Mars Polaris' came out I was thankful
there's still life in the old dog yet (no guitars and no guest musicians
either!). But they continue to perplex us sometimes (Seven Letters of Tibet,
Inferno)...
Roger Hartopp
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #295
>Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records)
>Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records)
Just a little comment I felt like doing, Audion is amazing. I highly recommend
it. Great mood, and I always think of a big metropolis at night, raining, Blade
Runner etc, when I listen to it. Very nice way to start this radio show. A pity
I don't have an EM show on my radio here.
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
'Roger Hartopp' wrote:
>Only 'Catwalk' is worth anything... I can't remember the tunes to the rest
>of them!
Well, that doesn't mean they're not there. Give it another listen.
--Daniel
NP: Forma Tadre - Navigator
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
>(On the subject of the guitar being too intrusive, does anyone think
>Gerald Gradwuhl's guitar kind of wrecks the mix on TT Volume 15 at
>Warsaw?).
>
>Roger Hartopp
Perhaps... on Comet's Figure Head and Lamb with Radar Eyes I find it
slightly out-of-tune. Elsewhere not bad.
John Vertical
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:19
am
Subject: Remastering software
Hi,
a question to all of Heiko's remastering buddies :
What software do you use ?
Do you use special hardware ?
Ramon
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 11:46
am
Subject: Arcane
Hi
I would just like to respond to a couple of messages placed on the TDI forum
.
Firstly , none of the music on my Arcane releases is 'Copied' in any way .Of
course it sounds like TD , thats the idea .Like people playing the blues ,
its a *style* that can be identified and mimicked .
All of the sounds are from commercially available sample CDs :
'XXLARGE ANALOGUE DREAMS' and 'VINTAGE KEYS '
I have never implied that the Arcane sound is anything other than TD based
(dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a tribute , Can Attilla is a
tribute band and that is almost blantant copying)
Also I believe that the tongue-in-cheek band story of Arcane upset some of
the more sensitive among you , so for that I apologise .It was only ever a
bit of fun to create some interest in the CDs .
As for insulting Edgar . I admit to being vocal about albums I do not like ,
this is what a lot of other people/fans do also (read some of the recent
comments on TOTTides and TOBetc)
Arcane, is a little pocket-money hobby to me .There is no 'Success',Fame or
Fotune with it . Lets not take things out of proportion !
Paul
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: Electronic Meditation
Bought this the other day. Not bad. Overall sound resembles perhaps mostly
Atem and Ultima Thule out of the other Pink Years stuff. Pieces end
surprizingly suddendly and are peppered with them strange yet funny
voices...
Genesis is nice introductory cello and tomtoms texture; it resembles some of
the pre-Phaedra 70s live stuff if you ask me. -Resurrection is quite
similar, apart the manthric beginning.
Journey Through A Burning Brain is the piece I like the most. Springy guitar
leads into beautiful organ, which develops into nice rock passage, fading
out with organ again. Not very TD-ish, but I like it!
I find Cold Smoke the most psychedelic work on the album. The initial creepy
organ and violent crashes, the manic drumming, the insane guitar playing,
and the shock-like end... brrrr-rrr. Leaves a bad aftertaste.
Ashes to Ashes is bluesy, even jazzy. OK but not special.
John Vertical
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:46:38 -0000 'Paul Lawler'
writes:
>I would just like to respond to a couple of messages placed
>on the TDI forum. Firstly, none of the music on my Arcane
>releases is 'Copied' in any way. Of course it sounds like
>TD, thats the idea.
Errr, I dunno. sometimes, your chord progressions are
awfully close -- sometimes even with the same sort of synth
sounds. I'm not complaining, mind you: I love it when your
stuff is like that. :)
>I have never implied that the Arcane sound is anything other
>than TD based [. . .]
Really? I thought I'd heard you claim that ALTERSTILL
was unlike GATHER DARKNESS and FUTURE WRECK in that it was
not a TD aping. And by the way, I ordered a copy of this
CD from mp3.com, and it's spent more time in my CD changer
than any other CD for the past month or so. As a unit, I
prefer it to your other albums; your other albums might have
better individual tracks, but taken as a whole, ATERSTILL is
my fave disk of yours. It's really a pity it's only out as
a CD-R and as a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc.
>[. . . ] (dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a
>tribute, Can Attilla is a tribute band and that is almost
>blantant copying)
Um, I really don't see that much of a difference
between Arcane and Can Attila, as far as imitating TD goes.
The same goes for Airscupture, Redshift, and Under the Dome
(all of which are bands I like quite a bit). I do see a
difference between TD and Radio Massacre International, but
RMI is not exactly one of my favorites (I prefer RAMP and
The Nightcrawlers, for two).
>Paul
Stephe Feldman, androgyne
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Steven Feldman'
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
Errr, I dunno. sometimes, your chord progressions are
awfully close -- sometimes even with the same sort of synth
sounds. I'm not complaining, mind you: I love it when your
stuff is like that. :)
* Well there is no intentional rip-off scam going on . I know what kind of
chords TD use and what kind of chords they wouldn`t use . I also know what
kind of sounds they would have used in the era that Arcane is influenced by
, and I have stuck to this formula on purpose .
I am not , and have never claimed that the Arcane style is an original
musical idea .Remember , I compose for a living .Its easy to imitate styles
when you know what to look for musically .
>I have never implied that the Arcane sound is anything other
>than TD based [. . .]
Really? I thought I'd heard you claim that ALTERSTILL
was unlike GATHER DARKNESS and FUTURE WRECK in that it was
not a TD aping.
* No I`ve never said this .My new album Resurrection using the name Max Van
Richter is the one I claim to be much further away from the TD sound
.Alterstill was a selection of odd Arcane tracks I had lying around , hence
it only being a CDR .
>[. . . ] (dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a
>tribute, Can Attilla is a tribute band and that is almost
>blantant copying)
Um, I really don't see that much of a difference
between Arcane and Can Attila, as far as imitating TD goes.
* We'll have to agree to dis-agree on this one .
The same goes for Airscupture, Redshift, and Under the Dome
(all of which are bands I like quite a bit). I do see a
difference between TD and Radio Massacre International, but
RMI is not exactly one of my favorites (I prefer RAMP and
The Nightcrawlers, for two).
*This is it you see .Most of these bands are TD fans trying to recreate the
music that TD do not make anymore .I doubt that any of them are claiming to
be doing it better ! How can they , they do it part time in their bedroom
without the backing of record lables and Synth manufacturers .What harm is
it doing ? people like the albums these guys are putting out . TD aren't
doing it anymore so why shouldn`t we ? There is no devine right saying that
only TD should ever venture into this style of music , and in the words of
Edgar 'If you dont like it , dont buy it .....and stop fu**ing moaning !'
I think thats what he said ;)
Paul
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
Steven Feldman wrote:
>
> (...) but taken as a whole, ATERSTILL is
> my fave disk of yours. It's really a pity it's only out as
> a CD-R and as a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc.
I think that the version sold by SMD is not a converted mp3
burned-to-order disc. Paul?
My favorite Arcane album is also Alterstill, and Future Wreck is a close
second. Resurection is great too.
Antonio Nunes
np: Max van Richter - Resurrection
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:23:03 +0000 Antonio Nunes
writes:
> Steven Feldman wrote:
> >
> > (...) but taken as a whole, ATERSTILL is
> > my fave disk of yours. It's really a pity it's only out as
> > a CD-R and as a converted mp3 burned-to-order disc.
>
> I think that the version sold by SMD is not a converted mp3
> burned-to-order disc. Paul?
The SMD disc is a CD-R, but I hate CD-Rs, since if and
when they get scratched, you're screwed. The mp3 disk has
inferior sound, but it's a real CD, not a CD-R. And it was
cheaper than if I got it on import from SMD (gee, but I wish
Groove Unlimited still carried ALTERSTILL; their prices
were and are so much better than SMD's).
> Antonio Nunes
Steven Feldman
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
>Only 'Catwalk' is worth anything... I can't remember the tunes to the rest
>of them!
Like I've been saying over the years (wow, I can already say that, it seems
like it was yesterday I first heard Quichotte I, my first contact with TD in
august'99).... where were I? ...been saying over the years, every time I listen
to albums like TOB, GC, TOTT, I find them better than when I last heard them.
Of course, for the millionth time, you can't compare them to . I find them in many aspects as 'hard' as, for
example, Zeit or any other pink years album. Still, in those pink years, you
can find beautiful things, like the haunting ending of AC, the intro of Zeit
and Atem, Wahn... The same thing seems to happen with TOB & Co. The last time I
heard TOB, and I think I mentioned that here, I found some very nice sounds
like the solos of a certain track which name, of course, I don't remember. It's
a solo of one instrument, instantly changing to another and then another one.
Well my point is, I always give those albums another chance, even if it's one
chance a year. They, bizarrely, can surprise me sometimes. Still, I find
extremely unlikely they will move me like Poland does, or AC, or That Sequence
in Force Majeure, or Silver Scale, or the Quichotte intro, or Invisible Limits,
White Eagle (title track), Midnight in Tula (which was what got me hooked),
Song of the Whale, Tyger (how dare I! but it's beautiful!), Central Park etc
etc etc etc etc etc. not to mention London RAH 75.
btw, I couldn't care less about these new versions. I say bring Purgatory on.
-GJ who happens to be reading the Divine Comedy. but is lazy to do it; should
have finished it by now but just 1/3 of Inferno has been read. well I've been
reading Dragon Ball instead. ;-)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
At 06:44 PM 11/16/2002, you wrote:
>ATERSTILL is
>my fave disk of yours.
Wait a minute, SMD claims, that the last track from that cdr is a live
piece from 1977 (by the founder), is that right ?
A bit confused now. . .
Ramon
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Falcon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
> At 06:44 PM 11/16/2002, you wrote:
> >ATERSTILL is
> >my fave disk of yours.
>
> Wait a minute, SMD claims, that the last track from that cdr is a live
> piece from 1977 (by the founder), is that right ?
> A bit confused now. . .
>
Basically , Arcane is a sham :) made up band history/members story etc
simply so it would create a little more interest on the first release ,
which it did .SMD tell me there was a radio show that held a competition to
guess who Arcane really was .People sent letters to SMD claiming they had
de-coded the story and worked out that Arcane was actually Chris Franke
.Others thought it was Mark Shreeve etc .This would *never* have happened if
we simply said
'Paul Lawler is releasing a retro album' . Some people actually *got* the
joke covers and band pics , some people didn`t .Arcane is me , and me alone
, as is Max Richter .Why ? because I only want 'Paul Lawler' to be known for
my day job which is soundtrack work .
Paul
From:
Olav Neander
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
Hi Paul!
First of all: My favourite Arcane album is 'Alterstill' :-)
Paul Lawler schrieb:
>Firstly , none of the music on my Arcane releases is 'Copied' in any way .Of
>course it sounds like TD , thats the idea .Like people playing the blues ,
>its a *style* that can be identified and mimicked .
>
>(dont mistake that with 'Tribute' , its not a tribute , Can Attilla is a
>tribute band and that is almost blantant copying)
>
Really interesting definitions...
May I ask you whether you consider my song 'Cytherean Dreams' as a song
in Berlin style (I used some samples from the original Mellotron Akai
CD) , as a copy (I have to admit that I used a chord progression from
'Big sleep...' ans some 'Sorcerer' influenced sequences...) or a tribye
(that's waht I originally tried to compose :-)
All the best, and keep up your good work,
Olav
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 11:56
am
Subject: Arcane
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Olav Neander'
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane
> Hi Paul!
Hi Olav
>
> First of all: My favourite Arcane album is 'Alterstill' :-)
Thanks !
> Really interesting definitions...
>
> May I ask you whether you consider my song 'Cytherean Dreams' as a song
> in Berlin style (I used some samples from the original Mellotron Akai
> CD) , as a copy (I have to admit that I used a chord progression from
> 'Big sleep...' ans some 'Sorcerer' influenced sequences...) or a tribye
> (that's waht I originally tried to compose :-)
I only say that Can Atilla are a Tribute band because that is how they
describe themselves .They deliberately tried to sound as close as possible .
Paul
>
> All the best, and keep up your good work,
>
> Olav
>
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>
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:43
pm
Subject: classic T-Shirts
Hello all,
on the Tangerine Dream HP is now the voting for the classic T-Shirt
closed. Also you can read on this page that 3 T-Shirts you can buy on
the TD Homepage next week for each US $ 25 without shipping, and only
available in size XL.
I think following:
Why only size XL?
and second
Is US $ 25 without shipping for only one T-shirt just a little bit
expensive?
Cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
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119 pictures from the UNDERGROUND/Auf Scheisser... film online now!
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: 119 pictures from the UNDERGROUND/Auf Scheisser... film online now!
Hi!
Well, I needed a little bit longer, but it`s done!
I put 119 pictures (yes: 119) from the UNDERGROUND video onto my
UNDERGROUND special page.
See: www.rutka.de/td
The ltd. sets of 12 numbered and marked (in the film) copies of the
video-Cd are sent!
The 'normal' set will be prepared this week and the first bulk of
disk will be send out during the next week, too.
Have fun!
Rainer
www.rutka.de/td
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] classic T-Shirts
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, heineu wrote:
> I think following:
> Why only size XL?
Because this fits to Jerome`s size!
I can use them as night shirts (the kids, too!)
Rainer
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
On Saturday 16 November 2002 8:11 pm, Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Co. The last time I heard TOB, and I think I mentioned that here, I found
> some very nice sounds like the solos of a certain track which name, of
> course, I don't remember. It's a solo of one instrument, instantly changing
> to another and then another one.
I think you mean 'Living in a Fountain pen', in which the guitar, saxophone
and keyboards pass around the lead line around the middle of the track.
As far as listening to the Seattle albums over and over again is concerned, I
think I agree with you. There are moments even in ToB that have grown on me
over the years, including the one you mention. But overall, I still get the
impression that the album is one of the weaker ones of recent years, and
always straying perilously close to self-absorption.
Dennis
From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New versions of Miramar tracks (was Melrose re-recorded)
On Friday 15 November 2002 7:01 pm, Roger Hartopp wrote:
> here. (On the subject of the guitar being too intrusive, does anyone think
> Gerald Gradwuhl's guitar kind of wrecks the mix on TT Volume 15 at
> Warsaw?).
On the contrary, I thought that TT15 was one of the few occasions I know about
where the guitar and the bongos didn't spoil the fun. I thought Gradwohl's
guitar was quite measured and appropriate in most places.
Dennis
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] classic T-Shirts
It's not a little expensive, it's very expensive.
--- heineu wrote: > Hello
all,
>
> on the Tangerine Dream HP is now the voting for the
> classic T-Shirt
> closed. Also you can read on this page that 3
> T-Shirts you can buy on
> the TD Homepage next week for each US $ 25 without
> shipping, and only
> available in size XL.
>
> I think following:
> Why only size XL?
>
> and second
>
> Is US $ 25 without shipping for only one T-shirt
> just a little bit
> expensive?
>
> Cheers
> heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Classic Tree Update
The SHN and Redbook discs for the Classic Tree (all 118 of them!) will be going
in the mail to the level 1 branches over the next few days. If you haven't
contacted your branch yet to make arrangements, you should do so now. (See
http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm for your
supplier).
There are 10 Redbook discs, and 6 SHN discs. The covers are on the SHN discs and
will be available to download shortly for those receiving Redbook copies.
Maff
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From:
'dat_dream'
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:09
pm
Subject: another Lisner query
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find
anything in the archives.
After listening to TT Vol 4, d2 again I can't help but think that
'Octagon' (track 5), listed as the second encore, might actually
be a soundcheck. This track oddly lacks applause or crowd
noises. If it's the second encore there should be lots of whoopin'
and hollerin' but there's nothing of the sort. But it does have
background noises that I would associate w/ stage setup.
So you have 'Professor Mota' doing his interview w/ Chris (track
4) and then a little later he says, 'They are here coming back...'
The question I have, is did they come back to play a second
encore or for Edgar's closing words (track 6)?
This is not meant in any way to disparage those who put this fine
bit of emusic history together. This was simply some thoughts I
had upon listening to this, and I'm curious as to if anyone else
had a similar reaction.
There may quite possibly be no absolute resolution of this trivial
query. Show of hands: Who among us was there? Those w/ your
hands raised: Who was NOT partaking in some sort of mind
altering experience that might, ahem, affect your recollection of
the sequence of events? ;-) Any hands left?
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] another Lisner query
>After listening to TT Vol 4, d2 again I can't help but think that
>'Octagon' (track 5), listed as the second encore, might actually
>be a soundcheck. This track oddly lacks applause or crowd
>noises. If it's the second encore there should be lots of whoopin'
>and hollerin' but there's nothing of the sort. But it does have
>background noises that I would associate w/ stage setup.
>
>So you have 'Professor Mota' doing his interview w/ Chris (track
>4) and then a little later he says, 'They are here coming back...'
>The question I have, is did they come back to play a second
>encore or for Edgar's closing words (track 6)?
Nice theory; and there's also the strange thing at the beginning of Chris
Franke interview - prof. Mota says something like 'wow, a second encore'
though they haven't played Octagon II yet. So this would make Drywater Rush
the first encore, and Rain in Spain the second... but if it's this way,
where're the announcements between the 2nd set (Monolith) and the first
encore (Dryw. Rush)?
John Vertical
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 9:26
pm
Subject: yahoo
Once again I got the message from Yahoo that my mail bounced. Seems the
error this time was content rejected on Nov 14. Since I will be away for a
few days I wont keep checking this. It's getting frustrating dealing with
this it seems every week. So I may or may not be back to the list.
Dale
From:
Ivan Yerkedoff
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:17
pm
Subject: TD T Shirts
Hi to all. If you go to any concert in the US the
average price for T shirts is $30 to $35 and it seems
you can only get L or XL
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Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:21
pm
Subject: Adm Leaving:-(
Please don't give up Dale. I'll miss all the pirate references
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Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:48
am
Subject: test
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 6:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic Meditation
--- John Vertical wrote:
> Bought this the other day.
Where exactly? I have tried to find that album but no
one has it in their stocks.
Regards,
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: Shall I download this file?
While mucking about with an old tape machine(open reels), I found a piece of TD
history!
I must have recorded some music from the Streethawk show when broadcast here in
the UK.
The main pieces of interest are the Le Parc theme from the start of the pilot
and various bits from the show.
I have 'recorded' these pieces to the PC, but they are & & 14 mb's in size!
If I convert to mp3, they may be a lot smaller. Shall I place these in a
folder at yahoo groups for you all?
Paulus.d_uk
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic Meditation
At 22:09 17-11-02 -0800, you wrote:
>--- John Vertical wrote:
> > Bought this the other day.
>
>Where exactly? I have tried to find that album but no
>one has it in their stocks.
www.groove.nl
>Regards,
>Marko Marin
>
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Update
Hello, Maff,
I would like to contact my 'parent' but what's his email address ?
All the best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:04 PM
Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree Update
> The SHN and Redbook discs for the Classic Tree (all 118 of them!) will be
going
> in the mail to the level 1 branches over the next few days. If you haven't
> contacted your branch yet to make arrangements, you should do so now. (See
> http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm for your
> supplier).
>
> There are 10 Redbook discs, and 6 SHN discs. The covers are on the SHN
discs and
> will be available to download shortly for those receiving Redbook copies.
>
>
> Maff
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>
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shall I download this file?
>While mucking about with an old tape machine(open reels), I found a piece
>of TD history!
>I must have recorded some music from the Streethawk show when broadcast
>here in the UK.
>The main pieces of interest are the Le Parc theme from the start of the
>pilot and various bits from the show.
>I have 'recorded' these pieces to the PC, but they are & & 14 mb's in size!
>If I convert to mp3, they may be a lot smaller. Shall I place these in a
>folder at yahoo groups for you all?
>Paulus.d_uk
Sounds nice to me, but it's Joe who you need to obtain the permission
from...
John Vertical
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From:
Falcon
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shall I download this file?
At 03:10 PM 11/18/2002, you wrote:
>Sounds nice to me, but it's Joe who you need to obtain the permission
>from...
Actually, from the film company, too. . .
Ramon
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:41
pm
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
Hi everyone
After three weeks out home for various record fairs, i'm back ... with good
news.
The Dreamwatchers' Tales is now on final process.
The title : Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams.
The artworks are currently on progress with a surrealistic/industrial way (a
very special bichromic visual).
I have received the tracks from the following :
Döktor Strange
Pergamon
Ionic
James Owens
Satsuma Nightmare
Olivier Briand
Paul Ellis
Gustavo Jobim
Fred Yargui
Darklion
Rik Rollins
Nightbirds
Gilles Hemery
3N
I'm waiting for tracks from the other contributors like :
Conrad Gobbons
Olyam
Richard Ford
Dream Conspiracy
David Hughes
Miles mcMillan
There will be some collaboration tracks
I already have the Ionic - Wes Antczak track and i'm waiting for the
Darklion - Olyam and the Darklion - Nightbirds tracks.
I hope to get the missng tracks soon because we wanted to work in december
on the mastering and finalised the entire project for January as usual.
the contributors who didn't send their tracks yet are invited to contact me
for confirmation or cancelling.
Waiting for reactions
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
'maggior'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:52
pm
Subject: Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
This is great news Yannick! I was afraid it was going to be
cancelled since there wasn't much buzz going on about it. If this
installment is half as good as the previous two, it will be great.
As soon as a tree is announced for this, I'll be signing up!
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@y..., 'Yannick EDOM' wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> After three weeks out home for various record fairs, i'm back ...
with good
> news.
>
> The Dreamwatchers' Tales is now on final process.
>
> The title : Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams.
>
> The artworks are currently on progress with a
surrealistic/industrial way (a
> very special bichromic visual).
>
> I have received the tracks from the following :
>
> Döktor Strange
> Pergamon
> Ionic
> James Owens
> Satsuma Nightmare
> Olivier Briand
> Paul Ellis
> Gustavo Jobim
> Fred Yargui
> Darklion
> Rik Rollins
> Nightbirds
> Gilles Hemery
> 3N
>
>
> I'm waiting for tracks from the other contributors like :
>
> Conrad Gobbons
> Olyam
> Richard Ford
> Dream Conspiracy
> David Hughes
> Miles mcMillan
>
> There will be some collaboration tracks
>
> I already have the Ionic - Wes Antczak track and i'm waiting for the
> Darklion - Olyam and the Darklion - Nightbirds tracks.
>
> I hope to get the missng tracks soon because we wanted to work in
december
> on the mastering and finalised the entire project for January as
usual.
>
> the contributors who didn't send their tracks yet are invited to
contact me
> for confirmation or cancelling.
>
> Waiting for reactions
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Update
From: 'Fred Yargui'
> I would like to contact my 'parent' but what's his email address ?
Anyone having trouble finding the email address for their branch, you can look
up details like this on the Classic Tree database at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
Maff
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Update
Thanks a lot, Maff !
Cheers,
Fred
PS : Greetings to Yannick, the DreamMaker guy who indirectly allowed me to
find a 1982-LP called 'Erebus' made by french (and Italian ?) synthesists
'Zadri & Mo'. A great piece.
----- Original Message ----- >
> Anyone having trouble finding the email address for their branch, you can
look
> up details like this on the Classic Tree database at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
>
>
> Maff
>
>
From:
'sequentc'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:28
am
Subject: Dilema
I have been listening to the official (excluding soundtracks + bootlegs) TD
albums in chronological order......starting with Electronic Meditation....I
have just finished Atem .... do I listen to Pheadra next or Green Desert....
or should Green Desert be played after Underwater Sunlight? Comments
please?
Q. Who has the source tapes to Atem ...as the new re-issue [2002] appears to
originate from a LP source? Or am I wrong perhaps?
Ray
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dilema
Hello, Ray and Dreamers,
haha, I was also with this question for a while, for I decided to make a
tracklist collection of TD in chonological order.
in fact, Voices in the Net is a good source to make a choice :
You can make a 'logical ' and 'chrono-logical' playlist according to the
date of recording or according to the date of release...
As I wasn't satisfied either, I made another series of tracklist with a
compilation of random and shuffled pieces taken among my favorites
(including tagentized and bootlegged pieces)
My next work is to do more tracklists from entire sides of 'pseudo' LPs (to
have a good deal of dream-time ;o)
I think I am intoxicated with TD stuff (all eras ;o)
If you're interested in the track list, I'll put them on my web (in
reconstruction for a good time, but it works ;o))
Best Regards,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'sequentc'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:28 AM
Subject: [tadream] Dilema
> I have been listening to the official (excluding soundtracks + bootlegs)
TD
> albums in chronological order......starting with Electronic
Meditation....I
> have just finished Atem .... do I listen to Pheadra next or Green
Desert....
> or should Green Desert be played after Underwater Sunlight? Comments
> please?
>
> Q. Who has the source tapes to Atem ...as the new re-issue [2002] appears
to
> originate from a LP source? Or am I wrong perhaps?
>
> Ray
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Shall I download this file?
Please do....... :)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:11 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Shall I download this file?
>While mucking about with an old tape machine(open reels), I found a
piece
>of TD history!
>I must have recorded some music from the Streethawk show when broadcast
>here in the UK.
>The main pieces of interest are the Le Parc theme from the start of
the
>pilot and various bits from the show.
>I have 'recorded' these pieces to the PC, but they are & & 14 mb's in
size!
>If I convert to mp3, they may be a lot smaller. Shall I place these in
a
>folder at yahoo groups for you all?
>Paulus.d_uk
Sounds nice to me, but it's Joe who you need to obtain the permission
from...
John Vertical
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dilema
In a message dated 11/18/2002 11:24:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sequentc@h... writes:
> do I listen to Pheadra next or Green Desert....
> or should Green Desert be played after Underwater Sunlight? Comments
> please?
>
*AFTER Underwater Sunlight.
I would think that listening to them in this order would make it obvious.
Doesn't it stick out like a sore thumb? I mean they didn't even really play
chord progressions until much later and the sounds themselves? They're mostly
from a PPG... which didn't even exist until the '80's The only thing I can
hear on there that just MIGHT have been recorded back then was the drums.....
I think sonically and compositionally it's painfully obvious that it was
almost completely done much later
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
>The Dreamwatchers' Tales is now on final process.
That's very good to know. I can't wait to hear it! That reminds me, I should
listen to DWT 1 and 2 more often, both great collections, specially DWT 2, in
general, for me. btw, I hope you'll like my humble contribution. It's again
something different from the other two tracks I've made for this very nice
project.
GJ (having dinner) np: Brahms' 4th symphony in E minor. wonderful!
ack! pepper on my fish! damn!
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:14
am
Subject: DSC download?
I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree...
Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available?
If so, please contact me offlist!
Rolf
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download?
Hello, Dreamers,
It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o)
Bye,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Rolf Elfström'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: [tadream] DSC download?
> I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree...
> Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available?
>
> If so, please contact me offlist!
>
> Rolf
>
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From:
Mr Paul Dryden
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Shall I download this file?
> Please do....... :)
> conversion to mp3 brings all the parts down to below 1mb, just OK to
place on our sites 'files' directory at yahoo...
Those who want to listen, just go and download from there (I'll upload
tonight 19th Nov)
I've not equalised or mastered the recordings in any way, if you want
to do this yourself then feel free....
PAulus.d_UK
PS see you on Feb 2003
>
>
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download?
Hi all,
About the DSC. I have sent all initial branch copies out, so the tree is
well underway. But:
Please note that I have done my bit. I will not allocate branches to leaves,
keep a track of who has or has not been supplied, add to or update the
database, chase people, provide SHN downloads, etc... So what we need is
someone other than Morgan Feldon to administer the tree (Morgan is very
quiet at the moment and seems to be rather behind on his trades/burning).
Any volunteers?
I haven't heard many reactions to the set itself either, don't be shy :-)
Paul
on 19/11/02 12:51, Fred Yargui at fredericyargui@w... wrote:
> Hello, Dreamers,
>
> It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o)
>
> Bye,
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Rolf Elfström'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM
> Subject: [tadream] DSC download?
>
>
>> I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree...
>> Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available?
>>
>> If so, please contact me offlist!
>>
>> Rolf
>>
>
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
From:
tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: New file uploaded to tadream
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream
group.
File : /Streethawk pilot.mp3
Uploaded by : paulus_d2002
Description : MP3 audio file of 'Streethawk'pilot theme
You can access this file at the URL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk pilot.mp3
To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
Regards,
paulus_d2002
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
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From:
tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:21
pm
Subject: New file uploaded to tadream
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream
group.
File : /Streethawk clip.mp3
Uploaded by : paulus_d2002
Description : Clip from programme
You can access this file at the URL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk clip.mp3
To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
Regards,
paulus_d2002
From:
'paulus_d2002'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: Paulus.d uploading Streethawk themes
Uploaded streethawk pieces tonight.
Just noticed they use up more than half of the total files space at
yahoo.
This is probably not a good idea, so those who wish to download these-
please do! if any moderator or admin want me to remove the files I
will do so imediately.
Have fun!!!!!
Paulus.d_uk
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From:
'paulus_d2002'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:31
pm
Subject: Paulus.d uploading Streethawk themes
Uploaded streethawk pieces tonight.
Just noticed they use up more than half of the total files space at
yahoo.
This is probably not a good idea, so those who wish to download these-
please do! if any moderator or admin want me to remove the files I
will do so imediately.
Have fun!!!!!
Paulus.d_uk
From:
tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:34
pm
Subject: New file uploaded to tadream
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream
group.
File : /Streethawk end.mp3
Uploaded by : paulus_d2002
Description : Ending theme
You can access this file at the URL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk end.mp3
To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
Regards,
paulus_d2002
From:
David Butler
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:46
pm
Subject: Sean and Paul
Sean, I just love your sense of humor. Why is Feldman
attacking Paul? Aren't we all friends here? If I had
the equipment, I'd put out a complete rip-off of
Stratosfear and call myself Tangelo Nightmare or
something. As soon as my lottery check comes in...oh,
you actually have to buy a ticket to win...damn.
Me...I can't wait til they tangentize and rerecord
those crappy live albums Logos and Poland. Anyway,
that should be enough to piss somebody off, only
because you can't hear my tone of voice while I'm
typing. I guess nobody cared about my Rolling Stones
story....David
NP...Dwight Yoakum...'guitars and cadillacs and
hillbilly music...'
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: Re: TaDream Trees by TDI?
Even though TD hasn't been especially prudent regarding the rights to their
work in the past, I'm sure they own most of the rights to all their
performances, especially the totally improvised shows from the '70s. And
even if they didn't, I'm sure they could pay royalties to the owners to
release this type of material.
That said, I wonder why they don't sell any merchandise on their website? No
t-shirts, stickers, anything. Seems like every other band sells just about
every item imaginable with their logo on it. Why not TD?
Scott
>Sticky, when they may not have the rights to their own works at certain
>concerts. Not to mention a lot of these where recorded in the audience not
>exactly on the up and up. (most concerts have that forbid thing on
recorders
>and cameras). Not that it can't be done, but how much effort and time. Not
>that it would not be worth it either. Then there are always the tapes in
the
>secret TD Safe that may hold some tid bits of gold and precious gems.
>
>Dale
>
>Any cat burglars out there? (stay away from my cats!)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Winston'
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
>Subject: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI?
>
>
>> What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and the other
>> trees:
>> * TD could make some extra money,
>> * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and
>> * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be able
>> to find it and buy it.
>> (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced and sold
>> in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that
>> doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.)
>> -WBE
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From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:49
pm
Subject: Re: TaDream Trees by TDI?
This has been beaten to death, but just won't stay buried. TD do not
own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under
contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have
to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that
appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label! Clear?
goozer
--- In tadream@y..., 'Scott' wrote:
> Even though TD hasn't been especially prudent regarding the rights
to their
> work in the past, I'm sure they own most of the rights to all their
> performances, especially the totally improvised shows from the '70s. And
> even if they didn't, I'm sure they could pay royalties to the owners to
> release this type of material.
>
> That said, I wonder why they don't sell any merchandise on their
website? No
> t-shirts, stickers, anything. Seems like every other band sells just
about
> every item imaginable with their logo on it. Why not TD?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> >Sticky, when they may not have the rights to their own works at certain
> >concerts. Not to mention a lot of these where recorded in the
audience not
> >exactly on the up and up. (most concerts have that forbid thing on
> recorders
> >and cameras). Not that it can't be done, but how much effort and
time. Not
> >that it would not be worth it either. Then there are always the
tapes in
> the
> >secret TD Safe that may hold some tid bits of gold and precious gems.
> >
> >Dale
> >
> >Any cat burglars out there? (stay away from my cats!)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: 'Winston'
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
> >Subject: [tadream] TaDream Trees by TDI?
> >
> >
> >> What I'd like to see would be for TDI to sell TT1, TT2, and
the other
> >> trees:
> >> * TD could make some extra money,
> >> * there'd be no question of the distribution being a bootleg, and
> >> * lots of people who've never heard of this mailing list would be
able
> >> to find it and buy it.
> >> (This, of course, assumes that the collections could be produced
and sold
> >> in whole or in parts at enough of a profit to be worthwhile and that
> >> doing so wouldn't violate any contracts or copyrights.)
> >> -WBE
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download?
I have the DSC set and I am only supporting three branches (already
assigned), which I will mail out by the end of this month. I will not
accept any new branches or trade offers at this time since this is only what
I signed up to in the beginning. I'm sure the sets will make their way
around, but I have to warn you that is not the great concert material we
often talk about - this is more for the hardcore fan and not as exciting as
some of the concerts that deserved to be 'tree'd' IMO. As for downloads, I
am against them just in case you wonder, for personal reasons.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Fellows'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DSC download?
> Hi all,
>
> About the DSC. I have sent all initial branch copies out, so the tree is
> well underway. But:
>
> Please note that I have done my bit. I will not allocate branches to
leaves,
> keep a track of who has or has not been supplied, add to or update the
> database, chase people, provide SHN downloads, etc... So what we need is
> someone other than Morgan Feldon to administer the tree (Morgan is very
> quiet at the moment and seems to be rather behind on his trades/burning).
>
> Any volunteers?
>
> I haven't heard many reactions to the set itself either, don't be shy :-)
>
> Paul
>
> on 19/11/02 12:51, Fred Yargui at fredericyargui@w... wrote:
>
> > Hello, Dreamers,
> >
> > It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o)
> >
> > Bye,
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Rolf Elfström'
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] DSC download?
> >
> >
> >> I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree...
> >> Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available?
> >>
> >> If so, please contact me offlist!
> >>
> >> Rolf
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
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>
From:
Dan K
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] DSC download?
And me as well ;)
Thank you!
Dan
>Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:51:52 +0100
> From: 'Fred Yargui'
>Subject: Re: DSC download?
>
>Hello, Dreamers,
>
>It would be ok and much easier for me too ;o)
>
>Bye,
>
>Fred
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'Rolf Elfström'
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:14 PM
>Subject: [tadream] DSC download?
>
>
> I signed up as a 'download' on the DSC-tree...
> Are there any ftp-download of the SHNs available?
>
> If so, please contact me offlist!
>
> Rolf
>
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:14
am
Subject: OFF-TOPIC Kurweil K2000 programs/sounds
Hi
I have just pulled out my old dusty K2000, from the closet, and put it
in my studio. My sound-library is a bit old though.......does anyone here
have some great sounds for this machine or know some obscure link where I
can download some??????? (not sweetwater)
Thanks
Jan
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:29
am
Subject: TD website discussion forum
I've just read the last few postings in the 'forum' section of the
official TD website and have to say that I am disappointed about the
administrator ('admin') who runs it. Compared to our discussion list the
topics and postings were for the most part just kid stuff, but it seems
it was more than enough for the administrator to write things like:
'This forum is meant to be a place for TD interested people around the
world to share their opinions about various issues and it's not a 'junk
yard' where frustrated beings can unload their emotional
crap.....UNDERSTOOD?'
or
'A debate about censorship, free speech and all this...blah, blah,
blah......will be useless... i'm completely deaf on that ear'
not only do I find this insulting but also highly questionable of him to
write such things in public, even if he had a 'bad hair day'. I guess
it's only a matter of days before the forum will be closed again (just
like the guestbook on the old TD website) But it really makes me wonder
what he expects from us TD fans..some sort of a 'kiss bottom' fan
legion? Hey, it's a FORUM and should be seen as such. I have nothing
against deleting messages which deal with the naming or offering of
bootlegs, or really insulting messages, but give me a break. If someone
is not allowed to say that he dislikes the newer albums the forum is of
no use. I've exchanged a couple of emails with the Administrator before
and he came along as a friendly person..guess i have to send another
mail again to ask him about the current 'status quo' of the forum ;-)
Heiko
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD website discussion forum
I haven't visited that particular forum too often (I
wonder why?) but I will agree with you anyway. As you
propably know what you're talking about... for the
most of the time. ;-) And yes, it's full of that 'kid
stuff' but I suppose the forum attracts more
rookie-fans than this discussion list.
Regards,
Marko Marin
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> I've just read the last few postings in the 'forum'
> section of the
> official TD website and have to say that I am
> disappointed about the
> administrator ('admin') who runs it. Compared to our
> discussion list the
> topics and postings were for the most part just kid
> stuff, but it seems
> it was more than enough for the administrator to
> write things like:
>
> 'This forum is meant to be a place for TD interested
> people around the
> world to share their opinions about various issues
> and it's not a 'junk
> yard' where frustrated beings can unload their
> emotional
> crap.....UNDERSTOOD?'
>
> or
>
> 'A debate about censorship, free speech and all
> this...blah, blah,
> blah......will be useless... i'm completely deaf on
> that ear'
>
> not only do I find this insulting but also highly
> questionable of him to
> write such things in public, even if he had a 'bad
> hair day'. I guess
> it's only a matter of days before the forum will be
> closed again (just
> like the guestbook on the old TD website) But it
> really makes me wonder
> what he expects from us TD fans..some sort of a
> 'kiss bottom' fan
> legion? Hey, it's a FORUM and should be seen as
> such. I have nothing
> against deleting messages which deal with the naming
> or offering of
> bootlegs, or really insulting messages, but give me
> a break. If someone
> is not allowed to say that he dislikes the newer
> albums the forum is of
> no use. I've exchanged a couple of emails with the
> Administrator before
> and he came along as a friendly person..guess i have
> to send another
> mail again to ask him about the current 'status quo'
> of the forum ;-)
>
> Heiko
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream
At 18:18 19.11.02, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>This email message is a notification to let you know that
>a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream
>group.
>
> File : /Streethawk pilot.mp3
> Uploaded by : paulus_d2002
> Description : MP3 audio file of 'Streethawk'pilot theme
>
>You can access this file at the URL
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk pilot.mp3
>
>To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
>
>http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
>Regards,
>
>paulus_d2002
>
Dear Paul,
I would advise to remove these files from the yahoogroups files area
immediately, as you might run into major trouble with the film company and
Sanctuary records who both own parts of the rights to the music.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Falcon
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream
At 11:11 AM 11/20/2002, you wrote:
>I would advise to remove these files from the yahoogroups files area
>immediately, as you might run into major trouble with the film company and
>Sanctuary records who both own parts of the rights to the music.
Thats exactly what I said. . .
Ramon
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: tangents box set question
Hello, Dreamers,
You can find in Voices in the Net :
Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical because
of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the CDs. This
was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both tracks. If there
will be a second series of the Tangents box release, Virgin will probably
include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced after he discovered this
error.
Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical
tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of 'Tangents'.
And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what place - The
decision or the Crossing part ?)
Regards,
Fred
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From:
Mr Paul Dryden
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream
> At 18:18 19.11.02, you wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >This email message is a notification to let you know that
> >a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream
> >group.
> >
> > File : /Streethawk pilot.mp3
> > Uploaded by : paulus_d2002
> > Description : MP3 audio file of 'Streethawk'pilot theme
> >
> >You can access this file at the URL
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Streethawk pilot.mp3
> >
> >To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
> >
> >http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >paulus_d2002
> >
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> I would advise to remove these files from the yahoogroups files area
> immediately, as you might run into major trouble with the film
company and
> Sanctuary records who both own parts of the rights to the music.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
> The files will be removed as soon as I complete this email-sorry if I
caused any trouble over this, I just thought others may wish to hear
these after discovering them at the weekend!
Sorry again.-Paulus.d_uk
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
'paulus_d2002'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:13
pm
Subject: Deletion of files done!!!!!
all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........
PAulus.d_uk
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!!
ok. Glad I downloaded them... ;-)
paulus_d2002 wrote:
> all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........
>
> PAulus.d_uk
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!!
At 13:13 20.11.02, you wrote:
>all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........
>
>PAulus.d_uk
>
Dear Paul and list,
the trouble with these soundtrack and studio recordings is that there are
other rights-holders involved than just TD (the rights to the live shows
are solely with TD). Even if we were to tolerate your trading of these
tracks, you would be in grave danger that the other parties who hold a
share of the rights (i.e. record companies and film companies) would most
definitely not be as tolerant, which could run you into a lot of trouble.
Thus, I would advise to steer clear of advertising the open trade of any
studio or film music.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
Quoting Fred Yargui :
> both tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box
i would bet since i saw 10 copies of Tangents at the Virgin/EMI cut out blow
out delete sale here in central IL this weekend, that there won't be a second
release.
yes, i did pick one up. for 15 dollars.
it's going to be a nice christmas gift for a t.dream fan friend of mine
though :)
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] tangents box set question
TANGENTS was re-issued, but the error was never corrected AFAIK.
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Fred Yargui fredericyargui@w...
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:53:30 +0100
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] tangents box set question
Hello, Dreamers,
You can find in Voices in the Net :
Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical
because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the
CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both
tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release,
Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced
after he discovered this error.
Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical
tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of
'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what
place - The decision or the Crossing part ?)
Regards,
Fred
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From:
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: Mis-understanding???
goozer wrote...
>>TD do not
>>own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under
>>contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have
>>to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that
>>appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label!
And then Martin wrote......
>>(the rights to the live shows are solely with TD).
Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means that TD
can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish?
Neal
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From:
'goozergrafx'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:02
pm
Subject: Re: Mis-understanding???
Apparantly so. I was basing my (long standing) reply on comments made
by Edgar back when I had opportunity to ask him after the '96 SBE show
about future concert releases while asking if that evening's show
would be released. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding on both our
parts. Plus, it is standard industry practice for the label to own the
rights to live performances...perhaps it is indeed different in TDs
case, since the shows were mostly improvised? I will absolutely defer
to Martin and TD when there is any question as to who is right. Except
about _Livemiles_. ;)
--- In tadream@y..., wrote:
> goozer wrote...
>
> >>TD do not
> >>own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under
> >>contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have
> >>to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that
> >>appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label!
>
> And then Martin wrote......
>
> >>(the rights to the live shows are solely with TD).
>
> Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means
that TD
> can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish?
>
> Neal
From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
Hi Fred and Michael,
I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6
'dice part' running at 6'03 min and track 9 'crossing point' at 9'32 min.
They are very different cuts.
Regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] tangents box set question
> TANGENTS was re-issued, but the error was never corrected AFAIK.
>
> MJ
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Fred Yargui fredericyargui@w...
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:53:30 +0100
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] tangents box set question
>
>
> Hello, Dreamers,
>
> You can find in Voices in the Net :
>
> Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical
> because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the
> CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both
> tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release,
> Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced
> after he discovered this error.
>
>
>
> Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical
> tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of
> 'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what
> place - The decision or the Crossing part ?)
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:50
pm
Subject: Re: To be or not TD
I asked permission of an off list friend if I could post some of what he
had written to me regarding other synth musicians. I thought his statements
might spark an interesting discussion. Here they are in edited form:
Anyway, good to hear you're doing well. And good to hear
you've got the Air Sculpture bug! I haven't heard
anything by them yet, but no doubt I'll find something
sooner or later. To be honest, as synth music goes, I only
have eyes for TD and - rightly or wrongly - I don't give
much time to other 'TD-style' bands. Ho-hum...
There's a very good mail order company up in Dundee (in
Scotland) called CDS - or 'Compact Disc Services' to be
precise - who have huge stocks of synth music and
so-called 'New Age' music to sell. The problem is that the vast
majority of synth bands I've heard are content simply to
copy TD and rehash their '70s cannon ad infinitum -
without bringing anything new or original to the music.
Not only that, but most of the artists involved are quite
open about it. I'm sure Air Sculpture are different, but
to be honest I've become a bit disillusioned with the 'purist'
synth scene.
It's a difficult issue. Synth music as a genre appears to
suffer from an often crippling lack of credibility (eg.
references to 'lift music' surface in the press quite
regularly), and I think that's due in part to many of these TD
copyists being so lazy and just following each other
around instead of trying to produce something unique. There's
one such artist who, apparently, sells quite well at CDS
called Andy Pickford, who admits in the sleeve notes to his
albums that he has no other agenda beyond cobbling
together popular synth lines from established 'classic' artists
like TD, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, etc.
So many synth musicians like Andy Pickford (and Robert Fox
- regrettably there are hundreds like them) are so
conservative and lazy that their output reflects badly on
the few decent artists out there - like Air Sculpture, no
doubt - who are trying to produce their own music. Prog
rock has a similar problem; in the seventies the genre's
'limits' were set, and since then artists have been
rehashing the same stuff over and over and over again without
trying to do something different - which of course is what
the original bands accomplished in the first place (and
which is why they're rightly lauded).
Sorry. Listen to me! I'm on my soapbox again. None of
these comments are directed against Air Sculpture (as I've
no idea what their work's like!)... And at the end of the
day if you like it, it's good music. Everything's subjective,
after all. It's really not fair to expect every artist to
live up to lofty creative ideals. I love a lot of guitar-based rock
bands who produce straightforward heavy rock; they know
what their audience like and they give it to them. So
I'm in no position to criticise the likes of Pickford and
Fox... If an artist continues to produce music regardless of
fashion and against all the odds the music industry
generates, they have my respect whether they're 'originals' or
not.
Hopefully I wasn't too
derisive of the TD-emulators, but in my opinion more than
anything TD
represented a creative philosophy of exploration and development
that
artists like Andy Pickford have nothing to do with at all. Which
is why it
annoys me so much when people say, 'It's the best TD music they
never
recorded,' when if anything it stands in opposition to what TD
were trying
to do in the '70s and '80s. Cosy, conservative, wholly
predictable: these
things Tangerine Dream were not. If an artist were to adopt TD's
philosophy
as a basis for their music, it wouldn't sound like a bargain
basement rip-off;
in fact it probably wouldn't sound like TD at all.
So: any comments? 8-Dell
All his opinion of course.
NP: 11-1-8- Dublin National Stadium: wish I could hear it louder but I'm at
work. 8(
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
Janet Wojtecki wrote:
>
> I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6
> 'dice part' running at 6'03 min
It's not that track. Please listen to track 11 of disc 2 (The Decision)
and compare it with track 9 of disc 3 (Crossing Part).
Antonio Nunes
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
on 20/11/02 18:42, Janet Wojtecki at j.wojtecki@d... wrote:
> Hi Fred and Michael,
>
> I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6
> 'dice part' running at 6'03 min and track 9 'crossing point' at 9'32 min.
> They are very different cuts.
>
> Regards Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [tadream] tangents box set question
>
>
>> TANGENTS was re-issued, but the error was never corrected AFAIK.
>>
>> MJ
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Fred Yargui fredericyargui@w...
>> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:53:30 +0100
>> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [tadream] tangents box set question
>>
>>
>> Hello, Dreamers,
>>
>> You can find in Voices in the Net :
>>
>> Rubycon (The Decision) and Rubycon (Crossing Part) are identical
>> because of an error of a studio technican who compiled the masters for the
>> CDs. This was hard to discover due to the similar running time of both
>> tracks. If there will be a second series of the Tangents box release,
>> Virgin will probably include the missing track, Edgar Froese announced
>> after he discovered this error.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, the set I own is one the very first, and it has these two identical
>> tracks. I would like to know if someone has such a corrected set of
>> 'Tangents'. And what has changed (what excerpt of Rubycon is and at what
>> place - The decision or the Crossing part ?)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred
Chris,
I think your getting confused, there were supposed to be 3 different Rubycon
tracks but two of them were the same, you're comparing the different ones...
Paul
From:
'Sean Montgomery'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:59
pm
Subject: Re: Deletion of files done!!!!!
--- In tadream@y..., 'paulus_d2002' wrote:
> all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files
area........
Well, thanks for sharing them. I never saw an episode of the
Streethawk series when it was on the air, and at least now I know the
version of the theme on 'Le Parc' sounds pretty much the same as the
original.
Would Universal *really* get their knickers in a knot over short 32
kbs mp3s, recorded off of a 15 year old videotape? Ha ha...silly
question, I guess.
From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
Yes , My apologies, You are correct. It is in fact, the same piece. It just
shows you how much I listen to reworked 'official' recordings.
Regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Antonio Nunes'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
>
>
> Janet Wojtecki wrote:
> >
> > I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6
> > 'dice part' running at 6'03 min
>
> It's not that track. Please listen to track 11 of disc 2 (The Decision)
> and compare it with track 9 of disc 3 (Crossing Part).
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: Mis-understanding???
Quoting strat95@b...:
> Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means
> that TD can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish?
theoretically, yes.
considering the bulk of their 70s shows were improvised, there's really nowhere
that a former label has to stand on getting a cut or restricting a live album.
i really don't understand why TDI doesn't follow DGM's lead in releasing a
subscriber-only limited run on a monthly basis to hardcore fans. that's good
enough for Pete Namlook. why couldn't Froese & Son do the same.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD
>Cosy, conservative, wholly predictable: these things Tangerine Dream were not.
If an artist were to adopt TD's philosophy as a basis for their music, it
wouldn't sound like a bargain basement rip-off; in fact it probably wouldn't
sound like TD at all.
I totally agree. When choosing what I want to listen and buy, I usually prefer
a band or solo musician who's trying to create something new. I'm not
interested in, for example, Redshift; I agree they sound great, but instead of
direct TD imitation, I usually prefer listening to TD.
GJ np. Rubycon. btw, heard Zeit today and enjoyed it more than ever!
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'bjoernsip'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:18
am
Subject: Re: TD website discussion forum
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> I've just read the last few postings in the 'forum' section of the
> official TD website and have to say that I am disappointed about
the
> administrator ('admin') who runs it. Compared to our discussion
list the
> topics and postings were for the most part just kid stuff, but it
seems
> it was more than enough for the administrator to write things like:
>
> 'This forum is meant to be a place for TD interested people around
the
> world to share their opinions about various issues and it's not
a 'junk
> yard' where frustrated beings can unload their emotional
> crap.....UNDERSTOOD?'
>
> or
>
> 'A debate about censorship, free speech and all this...blah, blah,
> blah......will be useless... i'm completely deaf on that ear'
>
> not only do I find this insulting but also highly questionable of
him to
> write such things in public, even if he had a 'bad hair day'. I
guess
> it's only a matter of days before the forum will be closed again
(just
> like the guestbook on the old TD website) But it really makes me
wonder
> what he expects from us TD fans..some sort of a 'kiss bottom' fan
> legion? Hey, it's a FORUM and should be seen as such. I have
nothing
> against deleting messages which deal with the naming or offering of
> bootlegs, or really insulting messages, but give me a break. If
someone
> is not allowed to say that he dislikes the newer albums the forum
is of
> no use. I've exchanged a couple of emails with the Administrator
before
> and he came along as a friendly person..guess i have to send
another
> mail again to ask him about the current 'status quo' of the
forum ;-)
>
> Heiko
Since nearly 1 year I´m enjoying the daily E-Mail with news from
this group. Because of my bad english I was just a passiv member.
But now it´s time to say a few words:
1. Heiko, you´re exactly right! The official forum is uninteresting
for changing meanings and opinions, as long as we have this kind of
censorship on it. In this group we have Martin! To my opinion he is
right, when he detects some 'might be' criminal activities
(....streethawk theme). But isn´t it a kind of 'big brother is
watching you...' too?
2. Heiko N. is right with his question belonging the high-prize
christmas-gift t-shirts too! Any member of this group has spend a
lot of money (mostly THOUSANDS OF BUCKS) over the years for official
TD - stuff.
The question is, who buys a Rubycon-T-Shirt? A real hardcore fan
like everyone in this forum! The ones who spends enough money for
CD´s, concerts, DVD´s and anything else. Without these fans TD would
not exist anymore after all this years.
Let´s make a christmas list:
a) T-Shirts (first we made a poll, then you can get all of them!)
25 $ each one
b) Melrose-Years Set
45 € at Groove-NL
c) London-Concert in 2003
about 300 € alltogether
I´m still a big fan roundabout 23 years after buying 'Encore', but
nowadays to my opinion TD is getting more and more a commercial
money-making cash-machine and we are the ones who keep them living!!!
Think I made no new friends with this words but they must be said!
NP: Johannes Schmoelling - Songs-No words
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD website discussion forum
In a message dated 11/21/2002 3:18:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bjoernsip@g... writes:
> Think I made no new friends with this words but they must
> be said!
*On the contrary, you stated very clearly (and calmly) what many of us already
think. If you had stated that in a rude or self-righteous way it might be a
different story.
Anyway nice to meet you!
Poly
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD website discussion forum
Well, being interested in *music*, I really cannot care less
for Tshirts and the like, neither in owning each single
interpretation/recording of TD tracks. Just as I don't need
to have each recording of a Beethoven synphony as a
Beethoven afficionado...
The best treats I still get on this list with things like the TD
Tree etc.
armin
Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/21/2002 3:18:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> bjoernsip@g... writes:
>
>
>> Think I made no new friends with this words but they must be said!
>>
>
> *On the contrary, you stated very clearly (and calmly) what many of
> us already think. If you had stated that in a rude or
> self-righteous way it might be a different story. Anyway nice to
> meet you! Poly
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD website discussion forum / shirts
>
>The question is, who buys a Rubycon-T-Shirt? A real hardcore fan
>like everyone in this forum! The ones who spends enough money for
>CD´s, concerts, DVD´s and anything else. Without these fans TD would
>not exist anymore after all this years.
Hi people,
I think I need to clear s/t up re. the T-Shirts and shed some light on the
background to avoid you guys calling us 'high price' rip-offs again ;-)
The only reason why we decided to make this poll and manufacture the shirts
is that we had numerous and repeated requests from fans all over the world
to produce shirts with 'classic album covers' designs. (...now here´s an
interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and
still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again... sometimes it
seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to
complain, no matter what we do... ;-)) so... we decided to do just this as
a sort of 'X-Mas'- surprise.
Now... why do they cost US$ 25?!? Simple reason: because we´re only
producing 100 apiece. They are highest quality shirts with highest quality
8-color-prints in order to faithfully reproduce the album covers (we´ve
chosen the original LP-designs) - thus, with only 100 of each being made,
the production costs alone (incl. one-time-costs, such as color-adjusting,
sieve preparation, etc.) for each shirt amount to around US$15. Now, if you
count off my time for preparing the garphic design and managing the webshop
(that is quite a time-intensive work. I do not work for free, either) and
the costs for the guy who handles packing and and shipping, we might
roughly make around 2-3 US$ of real profit per shirt. If you look at it
this way, from behind the scenes, I would hope that you agree that
producing these shirts is not very profitable for us at all.
Besides, the regular price for shirts at concerts is EUR 30 (US$ 29
approx.) in Germany and US$ 35 in the U.S. in average. And usually, these
shirts are produced in quantities of a few thousands (dropping the
production costs per shirt to 1-3 US$). We´re even below that price... and
we pay roughly 6-7 times as much per shirt.
Now... very often, I wish that many of you people try to think a bit
further than your first observation before you start shouting out that
we´re rip-offs or do this and do that wrong. It seems that you all believe
there are no costs involved in the production of the merchandise and that
we all work for free. Also: please never forget that TDI is a small
company, after all.
And to Heiko - I must say, I have to fully agree with the forum´s admin´s
frustration. (please note that I do not think that you are one of the 'rude
boys') Think about it like this: the tangerinedream.org website was set up
and is paid for by TD to provide a vehicle of information and exchange for
fans and people merely interested in the group. Thus, you could rightfully
draw a parallel to visting 'someone´s house'. And, to follow this metaphor:
would you indeed go to someone´s house and constantly complain about his or
her furniture and/or lifestyle? And I´m sick as hell of the clamoring about
'free speech' ... it´s not about that... it´s about 'RESPECT'!!!!! And I
see none (let me please spell that out for some of you, in case some of you
didn´t understand; N.O.N.E.) of that in many of the people present here and
especially in the forum. Soem people think they have the right, just
because they shelled out a lot of their hard cash, to constantly complain
and behave in a rude, ruthless and ARROGANT manner - while you certainly
always have the right to formulate your free opinions, I would suggest that
many of you should sometimes follow an old saying that they taught me in
school: 'think before you stink'!
And sometimes, before some people post their wise-a.. comments, they should
try to put themselves in Edgar´s and Jerome´s shoes and think whether they
would not feel terribly hurt, if they were in their place. And I do believe
that you shouldn´t inflict on others what you wouldn´t like to have
inflicted on yourself. I am in a band myself and I know that I would not
like to have a so-called 'fan-forum' on my page where 95% of the comments
would hurt my personal feelings. And to all you people who speak up the
loudest and believe they know everything, ask yourselves: would you be able
to bear a majority of the comments in forum and mailing list if they were
directed against yourself? I would most probably think you couldn´t, in
fact I have evidence that some of you can´t (a fellow musician on this list
immediately sent us an e-mail when another fellow musician who is not on
this list anymore decided to criticize him in a form that most people on
list and forum usually criticize TD. He even threatened to send his lawyers
on the case. Now, that´s what I call hipocrisy!) So, can anyone of us
really call Edgar or Jerome arrogant or uncaring?!?!? If I were them, I
would draw myself back from my so-called fans and would not provide forums
or vehicles of contact at all.
OK, enough said, I think my point is clear. I hope that I have at least
made a few people
Case closed.
Peace & Love,
Uncle Marty (...who hopes that he does not have to repeat this speech over
and over again in the future)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:36
am
Subject: New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!
Hi!
Today I got the 'new' ALPHA CENTAURI release made by Castle Music Ltd.
onto CD. It`s the new version with the Ultima Thule, Part 1 track as
a bonus track.
The booklet is nice and well done with an essay written by Paul Russell.
Did you know, TD sold 20 000 copies of AC?
But!!!!
To my big surprise, I found 9 photos from the Ultima Thule versions
on vinyl in the booklet. And all(!) are taken from my homepage.
If you want to verify: http://www.rutka.de/td/ultima.html
These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto
the booklet :-(.
Rainer
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
Well, there's frustration for you...
Martin, I can empathise with your feelings, and I apologise if I or anyone on
the list have caused you and the other people at TDI more grief than it's
worth. This is not to say that I necessarily agree with all your points about
the detail (although I understand your argument about why the new T-shirts
are so pricey, I personally wouldn't buy them and I personally never asked
for them), but I do agree that this mailing list, ironically, tends to create
a lot of unreasonable confrontation with the people for whose appreciation it
was set up in the first place.
To an extent, I suppose the medium is to blame. With e-mail and the web, I'm
sure many people do tend to write before they think, and with the instant
communication that is possible in an electronic forum, a lot of hot-headed
agitation seems to be going on.
So, I agree that we all need to make an effort to be a bit more measured in
our judgement of TD/TDI when discussing the subject in what is, after all, a
fan forum. At the same time, I'm sure you are aware that with the advent of
TDI and the addition of T-shirts, watches, boxed sets and other merchandise
to the production of TD albums, the publishing and merchandising strategy of
TDI is not as transparent to us fans as it once was. In the years of Virgin
and Castle records, we dutifully went to pick up the new albums and bought
some extra goodies at the concerts. With so many of these extras now
available all year round and by mail order, I suspect that some of us still
haven't managed to shake off the feeling that we have to buy everything
that's going - a leftover from the pre-TDI days, when anything TD was hard to
come by.
Thanks for the wake-up call, Martin. I guess we need a revival of patience and
dialogue between both sides.
Dennis
On Thursday 21 November 2002 10:58 am, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> >The question is, who buys a Rubycon-T-Shirt? A real hardcore fan
> >like everyone in this forum! The ones who spends enough money for
> >CD´s, concerts, DVD´s and anything else. Without these fans TD would
> >not exist anymore after all this years.
>
> Hi people,
>
> I think I need to clear s/t up re. the T-Shirts and shed some light on the
> background to avoid you guys calling us 'high price' rip-offs again ;-)
>
> The only reason why we decided to make this poll and manufacture the shirts
> is that we had numerous and repeated requests from fans all over the world
> to produce shirts with 'classic album covers' designs. (...now here´s an
> interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and
> still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again... sometimes it
> seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to
> complain, no matter what we do... ;-)) so... we decided to do just this as
> a sort of 'X-Mas'- surprise.
>
> Now... why do they cost US$ 25?!? Simple reason: because we´re only
> producing 100 apiece. They are highest quality shirts with highest quality
> 8-color-prints in order to faithfully reproduce the album covers (we´ve
> chosen the original LP-designs) - thus, with only 100 of each being made,
> the production costs alone (incl. one-time-costs, such as color-adjusting,
> sieve preparation, etc.) for each shirt amount to around US$15. Now, if you
> count off my time for preparing the garphic design and managing the webshop
> (that is quite a time-intensive work. I do not work for free, either) and
> the costs for the guy who handles packing and and shipping, we might
> roughly make around 2-3 US$ of real profit per shirt. If you look at it
> this way, from behind the scenes, I would hope that you agree that
> producing these shirts is not very profitable for us at all.
>
> Besides, the regular price for shirts at concerts is EUR 30 (US$ 29
> approx.) in Germany and US$ 35 in the U.S. in average. And usually, these
> shirts are produced in quantities of a few thousands (dropping the
> production costs per shirt to 1-3 US$). We´re even below that price... and
> we pay roughly 6-7 times as much per shirt.
>
> Now... very often, I wish that many of you people try to think a bit
> further than your first observation before you start shouting out that
> we´re rip-offs or do this and do that wrong. It seems that you all believe
> there are no costs involved in the production of the merchandise and that
> we all work for free. Also: please never forget that TDI is a small
> company, after all.
>
> And to Heiko - I must say, I have to fully agree with the forum´s admin´s
> frustration. (please note that I do not think that you are one of the 'rude
> boys') Think about it like this: the tangerinedream.org website was set up
> and is paid for by TD to provide a vehicle of information and exchange for
> fans and people merely interested in the group. Thus, you could rightfully
> draw a parallel to visting 'someone´s house'. And, to follow this metaphor:
> would you indeed go to someone´s house and constantly complain about his or
> her furniture and/or lifestyle? And I´m sick as hell of the clamoring about
> 'free speech' ... it´s not about that... it´s about 'RESPECT'!!!!! And I
> see none (let me please spell that out for some of you, in case some of you
> didn´t understand; N.O.N.E.) of that in many of the people present here and
> especially in the forum. Soem people think they have the right, just
> because they shelled out a lot of their hard cash, to constantly complain
> and behave in a rude, ruthless and ARROGANT manner - while you certainly
> always have the right to formulate your free opinions, I would suggest that
> many of you should sometimes follow an old saying that they taught me in
> school: 'think before you stink'!
>
> And sometimes, before some people post their wise-a.. comments, they should
> try to put themselves in Edgar´s and Jerome´s shoes and think whether they
> would not feel terribly hurt, if they were in their place. And I do believe
> that you shouldn´t inflict on others what you wouldn´t like to have
> inflicted on yourself. I am in a band myself and I know that I would not
> like to have a so-called 'fan-forum' on my page where 95% of the comments
> would hurt my personal feelings. And to all you people who speak up the
> loudest and believe they know everything, ask yourselves: would you be able
> to bear a majority of the comments in forum and mailing list if they were
> directed against yourself? I would most probably think you couldn´t, in
> fact I have evidence that some of you can´t (a fellow musician on this list
> immediately sent us an e-mail when another fellow musician who is not on
> this list anymore decided to criticize him in a form that most people on
> list and forum usually criticize TD. He even threatened to send his lawyers
> on the case. Now, that´s what I call hipocrisy!) So, can anyone of us
> really call Edgar or Jerome arrogant or uncaring?!?!? If I were them, I
> would draw myself back from my so-called fans and would not provide forums
> or vehicles of contact at all.
>
> OK, enough said, I think my point is clear. I hope that I have at least
> made a few people
>
> Case closed.
>
> Peace & Love,
>
> Uncle Marty (...who hopes that he does not have to repeat this speech over
> and over again in the future)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 5:50 pm, Adele Outland wrote:
> It's a difficult issue. Synth music as a genre appears to
> suffer from an often crippling lack of credibility (eg.
> references to 'lift music' surface in the press quite
> regularly), and I think that's due in part to many of these TD
> copyists being so lazy and just following each other
> around instead of trying to produce something unique. There's
The thing that bugs me the most is that this 'lift music' tag is so easily
applied to the whole electronic music scene by people who are unfamiliar with
it. In the 70s, it was cool to experiment with new methods of sound
production and composition - that's why TD got onto John Peel's show, and why
Edgar & Co. managed to keep going despite all the financial difficulties they
had. Today, by contrast, people like us are seen as a hopeless, nerdy,
anachronistic sect of Dream Disciples who have no social skills to speak of
and therefore convene in secretive little meetings to listen to lift music
together...
Well, I for one would still rather listen to TD than to the latest of those
whinge-bands that seem to win the Brits every year for some reason. Uncool it
might be, but very satisfying nonetheless.
Dennis
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
>
>So, I agree that we all need to make an effort to be a bit more measured in
>our judgement of TD/TDI when discussing the subject in what is, after all, a
>fan forum. At the same time, I'm sure you are aware that with the advent of
>TDI and the addition of T-shirts, watches, boxed sets and other merchandise
>to the production of TD albums, the publishing and merchandising strategy of
>TDI is not as transparent to us fans as it once was. In the years of Virgin
>and Castle records, we dutifully went to pick up the new albums and bought
>some extra goodies at the concerts. With so many of these extras now
>available all year round and by mail order, I suspect that some of us still
>haven't managed to shake off the feeling that we have to buy everything
>that's going - a leftover from the pre-TDI days, when anything TD was hard to
>come by.
>
>Thanks for the wake-up call, Martin. I guess we need a revival of patience
>and
>dialogue between both sides.
>
>Dennis
>
Dear Dennis,
thanks for the kind and very well-measured words. I, of course, understand
what you mean. This is exactly why I decided to lift the veil and take you
all into some of the background, to maybe make price decisions a bit more
understandable. Actually, as some of you may have noticed, we have tried to
change the price policy with the advent of the new web shop. I believe that
12 USD plus shipping is rather reasonable for a single CD (we cannot
guarantee that we will be able to keep this low price forever, though) and
30 USD for a 3-CD-box is also not so bad, after all (that´s USD 10 per CD).
With the shirts - there was no real possibility of going lower on the price
withour making a minus on the sales, which, as you may well understand, no
business can afford.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:29
pm
Subject: Re: To be or not TD
> On Wednesday 20 November 2002 5:50 pm, Adele Outland wrote:
>
> > It's a difficult issue. Synth music as a genre
appears to
> > suffer from an often crippling lack of credibility (eg.
> > references to 'lift music' surface in the press
quite
> > regularly), and I think that's due in part to many of these TD
> > copyists being so lazy and just following each
other
> > around instead of trying to produce something unique. There's
I'm just curious who you see as TD copyists. :-)
I make it no secret that I like TD, BUT I'm not making the
music the way I do because TD doesn't do it anymore.
Started making music 15 years ago and did some atmospheric
sequency stuff while I hadn't even heared about TD or any
other BS artist.
And for being lazy...yes with some things I'm lazy, but
with music it's far from that. Doing concerts in America
, England and Holland, carrying modular and
analog as well as new stuff with me isn't exactly being
lazy...also 2 years working on an album isn't exactly
'just copying TD'.
Weird because I have never thought about copying TD,
I like the atmosphere that it 'breaths' and it is only
this that I try to achieve.
I never hear anybody complain about DJ X sounds like DJ Y
or Pavarotti and Carerras...they both sing the same stuff. :-)
Even if it sounds very close to the style TD or (fill in your
favorite artist) whats the problem?
I can probably go on forever about it and make no sense
at all anymore. :-)
I just make music the way I want to do it, because for me
it is the right thing to do.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:07
pm
Subject: Quasi-Official Use of Fan Materials (was New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!)
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:36:12 +0100 (MET) Rainer Rutka
writes:
>To my big surprise, I found 9 photos from the Ultima Thule versions
>on vinyl in the booklet. And all(!) are taken from my homepage.
>If you want to verify: http://www.rutka.de/td/ultima.html
>These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto
>the booklet :-(.
I have DVDs where the director filmography (for Chang Cheh) was
taken from my website.
> Rainer
-- Steven Feldman ,
webmaster for the Chang Cheh website
at http://changcheh.0catch.com
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From:
'Sean Montgomery'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:12
pm
Subject: Re: Martin's Message/Melrose Years
First of all...Martin, thanks for the explanation regarding T-Shirt
production costs. That's the kind of perspective-building information
that fans (including me!) need to hear. I guess I *am* one of those
'rude boys'. So, I apologize for any grief I may have caused.
Yet, I want to respond to a couple of other things you say:
'(...now here´s an interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do
something as requested and still there´s the same wave of complaints
all over again...'
Not a totally fair accusation. I'm sure the fans who asked you for
'classic album cover' shirts will snap them up in a hurry. I
wasn't one of those fans. Now, where you could really rain righteous
indignation down on all of us, is if TDI released a box set of
untouched 70s and 80s concert material, and we all griped and
complained. :-)
'Think about it like this: the tangerinedream.org website was set up
and is paid for by TD to provide a vehicle of information and
exchange for fans and people merely interested in the group. Thus, you
could rightfully draw a parallel to visting 'someone´s house'.'
Well, no, not really. Because TDI is not a home, it's a business. I
don't know what retailing is like in Europe, so I won't speak about it
...but in North America, pretty much any company that deals with the
public has a customer service department. This is because it's a
highly competitive environment, and if someone doesn't like the way
your shop does business, they'll go elsewhere. It pays to put up with
the public's crap, because in the end they'll spend their money at
your place if you keep them happy. I suspect part of the problem is
that while we can *buy* TD releases from other online shops, TDI alone
has control over how the music is released, and there's nowhere else
to go if we don't like it.
Perhaps part of the problem is that TDI is *too* accesible? With a
big record label like Virgin or EMI or whatever, it seems like any
beef you may have with how an album is released will never be
addressed...whereas with TDI, it feels like we can just go up to the
order desk and demand anything we want. Which might be an entirely
unjustified attitude on the part of the fans, but whether TD likes it
or not, it was a fact of life that they took on when they decided to
run their own label.
Now...
I see info about the 'Melrose Years' has now been posted! And it can
certainly not be accused of being a 'cash grab'. 30 dollars for three
disks is very reasonable, especially since it's a limited edition with
band autographs. In fact, this is very irritating. I'm actually, in
spite of all my whining and complaining, thinking about buying it.
But yet... No sound clips, no information about *how much* the tracks
have been altered. Perhaps you guys could have posted an interview
with the band, talking about the set? A sample of one of the
're-recorded' songs? I suppose it doesn't matter, because the sets
will sell regardless. That's what I meant about TDI's monopoly power.
And it's why I feel like I'm being milked, even though the price is
right.
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:15
pm
Subject: Limited Edition T-shirts
Sigh, while PHAEDRA, RUBYON and RICOCHET are indeed
classics, it's a shame that of the three, only RICOCHET
has really nice graphics. I would have thought that at
least STRATOSFEAR would have been chosen. One personal
fave, graphics-wise, would be SOHOMAN, but that album is
hardly a classic. ;)
Steven Feldman
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: MELROSE YEARS packaging
Will the general release version of MELROSE YEARS also
be in a digipack? For that matter, is DREAM MIXES III still
available in digipack form, or is it in a standard jewel
case, now?
Steven Feldman
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From:
moxica@a...
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
Here are some hopefully-thought-out thoughts:
I think there also needs to be some distinction between Tangerine Dream, the
musical group, and TDI, the business. The purpose of the former is, simply, to
make the kind of music that they want to create. The goal of the latter is (or
seems to be) to facilitate the distribution of the music (and other peripherial
merchandise) to the fans in the most direct manner as possible. However, TDI
*is* a business, and as such, it needs to have some degree of profitability to
maintain itself and its goals. [I'm a free-market capitalist, so I'm sure
there are those who might disagree with me on that point.] Even so, I don't
think that TDI has set such profit margins on their merchandise that Martin and
the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of cash bills in their offices.
I also imagine that TDI has a small staff of employees, so that major
productions have to be outsourced, which means higher costs of production. [I
*am* speculating here, Martin, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.]
Personally, I've never felt cheated by TDI in either their prices or business
practices. And $12USD for a CD *is* very cheap as the same CD's run for $15-16
here in Atlanta! I'm thinking of buying up some more TDI albums with the
modified covers while they're at this price (Geez, I think I've been hanging
around Vic too long!). Of course, If I had my 'druthers, I'd like to see more
security on the ordering pages for the website, and more CD's of older and
unreleased stuff.
Later, Fans!
- jim
> thanks for the kind and very well-measured words. I, of course, understand
> what you mean. This is exactly why I decided to lift the veil and take you
> all into some of the background, to maybe make price decisions a bit more
> understandable. Actually, as some of you may have noticed, we have tried to
> change the price policy with the advent of the new web shop. I believe that
> 12 USD plus shipping is rather reasonable for a single CD (we cannot
> guarantee that we will be able to keep this low price forever, though) and
> 30 USD for a 3-CD-box is also not so bad, after all (that´s USD 10 per CD).
> With the shirts - there was no real possibility of going lower on the price
> withour making a minus on the sales, which, as you may well understand, no
> business can afford.
From:
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:04
pm
Subject: order your MELROSE YEARs
Hello,
now you can pre-order your 3CD Set: the Melrose Years on the Tangerine Dream
Website: http://www.tangerinedream.org
all 3 CD`s have one Bonus Track include !!!!
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
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moxica@a...
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:18
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Subject: Re: [tadream] order your MELROSE YEARs
Yay! I've already ordered mine (plus a Richochet T-shirt!). Sometimes I think
I enjoy ordering and waiting for merchandise to be delivered than actually
having it...
- jim
> Hello,
>
> now you can pre-order your 3CD Set: the Melrose Years on the Tangerine Dream
> Website: http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
> all 3 CD`s have one Bonus Track include !!!!
>
> Regards
> heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD
In a message dated 11/21/2002 4:30:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mengels@w... writes:
> I just make music the way I want to do it, because for me
> it is the right thing to do.
>
> Marcel
>
* I, like Marcel make music in this genre... I have for 17 years
(Ha ha Marcel, beat you by two years! ;-)
My own solo work and my old band Dweller at the Threshold...
and I am constantly amazed at how small-minded people can be when discussing
music in this genre. Ambient music owes an incredible amount to Eno but no
one is saying all the others working in that style should stop because Eno
pioneered it.
I can't see anyone who has really heard several of the newer bands working
in this genre (The so-called Berlin School) honestly believing that all of
them are merely aping what TD already did... and that none of them are
bringing anything new to the tabIe. As an example I defy anyone to listen to
Free System Projects 'Pointless Reminder', Nemesis 'Sky Archeology' and I'll
even throw out my own 'Into the Liquid Unknown' and say that the music is
copied. The tools are similar, the genre is the same, BUT THE MUSIC IS OUR
OWN! there are no rip off's of melodies, chord progressions, sequences etc.
To lump us all together like that is really ignorant.
Are TD guilt free of copying music? As one example listen to Love on a real
Train and then Steve Reich's Music for 18 musicians....
I most certainly understand a fans enthusiasm for the work of TD. I am one
also. That is why I am here that should be tacitly understood... but why the
need to treat others working in that style badly? It doesn't lessen TD that
others work in this style...
It strengthens their place in music history... why is this hard to
comprehend?
Name one genre where there aren't some similarities between various groups or
artists... that is the very nature of a genre. Nothing can take away the
pioneering work that TD did, Nothing... but to suggest that sequencer based
electronic music should just stop there and die is absurd and clearly shows a
lack of knowledge of music history.
NO musician is without influences... INCLUDING Tangerine Dream. They were
clearly influenced by the American Minimalist school, psychedelic rock and
other forms.
This doesn't take anything away from them, and it should also be remembered
that
they had the advantage of being in the right place at the right time as far
as pioneering music on the new technology of synths and sequences.
I think Marcel summed it up nicely that we do this kind of music because we
like it.
Poly
Paul Ellis
Binary recordings at - www.hypnos.com
'Into the Liquid unknown' out now.
^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
^~~
'A forest seen from the air is complex and interesting. A single tree is
equally complex. One leaf, even one molecule is endlessly fascinating.
That's how music should be.'
Brian Eno
^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~ ^~~
^~~
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:59
pm
Subject: Web Forum + T-Shirts
I think having high-quality T-shirts with full-color process for $25 each
is reasonable in the small quantity. I should have spoken up on this
sooner. For once I will come to TD's defense on this. Nice shirts are
expensive unless you want iron-on that don't last 3 washes.
As for the forum, there was a rude reply from the administrators at first
but the latest reply was much more reasonable and I have no qualms with it.
I will continue to try to provide information and comments on the forum and
stay on the 'middle ground'.
Martin, TD would be in really good shape if they just released some old
concerts untouched. Then the fans of Inferno, 7 Letters, Dream Mixes 3,
etc. can continue to praise and talk about them while the fans of older TD
music splinter off into our own area of the forum to talk joyously about
the released concerts. It's not that people really 'hate' more re-releases
of Melrose, etc. It's that those re-releases are being done at the expense
or in lieu of what we feel is more deserving content (70's concerts).
I've always felt that if Edgar would just release some old concerts as-is
or hand them off to a remastering team like Heiko & Friends, then he would
get a lot more respect/tolerance for his current musical direction.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
I for one do not think that originality is a necessary component for me to
like electronic music.
I am amazed at people who think that if there is a driving sequencer line,
it is a copy of TD. Sorry, but TD does not have a patent on the sequencer
line or arpeggiator.
I am very happy with Redshift, Arcane, Airsculpture, Free System Projekt,
etc. They are moving forward with sequenced music that TD abandoned 15
years ago. I don't mind revisiting the past through someone else's eyes.
Saying that these people copy TD and are not creative is like saying that a
photographer or journalist has no creativity since they are just
reinterpreting what they have been exposed to.
The fact is, FSP and AS were not around in 1974 to create this genre. But
they can bring us music which is a joy to listen to!
'in defense' Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: T-shirts + Melrose
>Sean Montgomery said:
>
>Not a totally fair accusation. I'm sure the fans who asked you for
>'classic album cover' shirts will snap them up in a hurry. I
>wasn't one of those fans. Now, where you could really rain righteous
>indignation down on all of us, is if TDI released a box set of
>untouched 70s and 80s concert material, and we all griped and
>complained. :-)
Well, if there is any question as to the amount of money Edgar would make
by releasing these old shows (if he has to pay any license, etc. to Virgin)
I think he should release 5 shows and a T-shirt or other TD trinket.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind. Maybe others just want to buy the concerts by
themselves.
My problem with these Booster packs and now the current 'you have to buy
the Melrose set if you want a T-shirt' thing is that we have ot buy
something we essentially already have to get the T-shirt.
-Morgan
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
> Even so, I don't
>think that TDI has set such profit margins on their merchandise that
>Martin and
>the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of cash bills in their
>offices.
Oh... but we DO! mmhhhhmmmhhh
;-)
Thanks, Jim.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
As much as I love TD, I never ever want to see Edgar
or Jerome naked *shudder*.
Now, I'm off to the site to get my Melrose Box-set.
$30 is great!!!
I do have to agree that a sound sample or two, or a
couple of words from TD themselves regarding the ins
and outs of the re-recording would have been good...
Still, at least they're not naked... Oh, I can't get
that out of my head now... AGGGHHHH!!!!
--- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote: >
> > Even so, I don't
> >think that TDI has set such profit margins on their
> merchandise that
> >Martin and
> >the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of
> cash bills in their
> >offices.
>
> Oh... but we DO!
> mmhhhhmmmhhh
>
> ;-)
>
> Thanks, Jim.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:05
pm
Subject: TD forum etc.
Martin,
thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, sometimes a little infusion
of reason is all it takes.
>sometimes it
>seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to
>complain, no matter what we do... ;-))
dammit, he's broken the code!! What do we do now ???? ;-) ;-)
>Now... very often, I wish that many of you people try to think a bit
>further than your first observation before you start shouting out that
>we´re rip-offs or do this and do that wrong.
True. Alas, by now, you know perfectly well how much 'thinking further'
you can expect from the average member of the public ;-) You'll never
eliminate all the bickering, but you can at least reduce it a bit
by sharing more behind-the-scenes insights, like you just did.
>Uncle Marty (...who hopes that he does not have to repeat this speech over
>and over again in the future)
Poor guy. You'll have to. This speech, and others, especially about
not being stupid with material of dubious copyright status. In fact,
you could make a standard sermon an automated, weekly posting on this
list and in other places, and you'd still not get the message to everybody.
Thanks for trying, anyway!
cheers
klaus
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Fans in Portugal
Are there any fans on this list from Portugal?
I am looking for a few TD items form this country and I was wondering if
anyone can help?
Thanks,
Vic
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:13
pm
Subject: New Alpha Centauri
>These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto
>the booklet :-(.
Hi Rainer,
of course, you obtained proper licenses from the designers of
the _original_ covers before you put scans onto your website.
Congratulatiuons, now you can sue the ass off Castle.
Or ??? ;-) ;-) ;-)
cheers
klaus
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!!
Fully understood, Martin. I was only trying to share a discovery with the
list, but was not aware of the implications!
You seem to be having a stressfull time of it lately! Iam quite sure that
most fans, like me respect the whole TD/TDI organisation and would kill to
get their hands on the T Shirts!!!!!
I hope some make it to the London 2003 Gig!!!!!
Regards PAulus.d_uk
-----Original Message-----
From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 20 November 2002 13:36
Subject: Re: [tadream] Deletion of files done!!!!!
>At 13:13 20.11.02, you wrote:
>>all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files area........
>>
>>PAulus.d_uk
>>
>
>Dear Paul and list,
>
>the trouble with these soundtrack and studio recordings is that there are
>other rights-holders involved than just TD (the rights to the live shows
>are solely with TD). Even if we were to tolerate your trading of these
>tracks, you would be in grave danger that the other parties who hold a
>share of the rights (i.e. record companies and film companies) would most
>definitely not be as tolerant, which could run you into a lot of trouble.
>Thus, I would advise to steer clear of advertising the open trade of any
>studio or film music.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Martin Kasprzak
>TDI- Music- Support.
>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
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>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mis-understanding???
The 1996 was a fanastic evening!!!
I've still got the ticket and my copy of Shephards Bush CD!!
Paulus.d
-----Original Message-----
From: goozergrafx
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 20 November 2002 17:03
Subject: [tadream] Re: Mis-understanding???
>Apparantly so. I was basing my (long standing) reply on comments made
>by Edgar back when I had opportunity to ask him after the '96 SBE show
>about future concert releases while asking if that evening's show
>would be released. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding on both our
>parts. Plus, it is standard industry practice for the label to own the
>rights to live performances...perhaps it is indeed different in TDs
>case, since the shows were mostly improvised? I will absolutely defer
>to Martin and TD when there is any question as to who is right. Except
>about _Livemiles_. ;)
>
>--- In tadream@y..., wrote:
>> goozer wrote...
>>
>> >>TD do not
>> >>own *ANY* of the rights to *ANY* of the concerts performed while under
>> >>contract to *ANY* of the companies that released their music, and have
>> >>to license *EVERY* one of the tracks from those other companies that
>> >>appear on *ANY* of their current releases under the TDI label!
>>
>> And then Martin wrote......
>>
>> >>(the rights to the live shows are solely with TD).
>>
>> Is there a mis-understanding about the rights issue. Does this means
>that TD
>> can freely release a recording of any concert that they wish?
>>
>> Neal
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Deletion of files done!!!!!
I should have checked first!
The stuff was actually taken from an old reel to reel recorder! I have a bit
of a fasination for old formats-I still have a Betamax in working order!
As far as I remember, that episode also had a edited version of daimond
diary during a robery scene. Both Thief and Streethawk were directed by
Michael Mann.
Regs Paulus.d_uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Montgomery
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 20 November 2002 18:59
Subject: [tadream] Re: Deletion of files done!!!!!
>--- In tadream@y..., 'paulus_d2002' wrote:
>> all Streethawk files have now been deleted from yahoo's files
>area........
>
>
>Well, thanks for sharing them. I never saw an episode of the
>Streethawk series when it was on the air, and at least now I know the
>version of the theme on 'Le Parc' sounds pretty much the same as the
>original.
>
>Would Universal *really* get their knickers in a knot over short 32
>kbs mp3s, recorded off of a 15 year old videotape? Ha ha...silly
>question, I guess.
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
Sounds more like Homer Simpson lusting after a dohnut!!
paulus.d
-----Original Message-----
From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 21 November 2002 17:12
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
> Even so, I don't
>think that TDI has set such profit margins on their merchandise that
>Martin and
>the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of cash bills in their
>offices.
Oh... but we DO! mmhhhhmmmhhh
;-)
Thanks, Jim.
Best regards,
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject: back
Got back last night from Comdex. I just check my 300 + messages and I see a
half a dozen from Yahoo telling me again my mail bounced. Funny thing, it
still shows the same record from last week when this started again. Same
error same date same message etc. Is yahoo just messed up or what?
So, I am not being rude if anyone directed anything towards me. I will try
to make some time later this evening to review the yahoo list site to see if
I can spy anything at me. The best solution is just email at my address,
admin@k... . I am sorry if I do miss anything. You can also tell me
what a bone head I am etc. via the same address and save me the
embarrassment.
Dale
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
A nightmare, a fear beyond that of a lifetimes lift music- the dreaded TD
nude spread!!!!!!
Paulus.d
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Holt
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 21 November 2002 18:33
Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin's post
>As much as I love TD, I never ever want to see Edgar
>or Jerome naked *shudder*.
>
>Now, I'm off to the site to get my Melrose Box-set.
>$30 is great!!!
>I do have to agree that a sound sample or two, or a
>couple of words from TD themselves regarding the ins
>and outs of the re-recording would have been good...
>Still, at least they're not naked... Oh, I can't get
>that out of my head now... AGGGHHHH!!!!
>
> --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
> wrote: >
>> > Even so, I don't
>> >think that TDI has set such profit margins on their
>> merchandise that
>> >Martin and
>> >the Froeses are rolling around naked in piles of
>> cash bills in their
>> >offices.
>>
>> Oh... but we DO!
>> mmhhhhmmmhhh
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Thanks, Jim.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin Kasprzak
>> TDI- Music- Support.
>> Tel:-49-30-23620995
>> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>>
>> Visit our Website at:
>>
>> http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Quoting Morgan Feldon :
> Sorry, but TD does not have a patent on the
> sequencer line or arpeggiator.
i agree.
i was listening to a Namlook/Schulze album, and thought to myself 'that doesn't
sound like a Klaus-sequence, it sounds like a Franke-sequence'.
which reminded me that even using the same gear and technique, two artists can
sound totally different from one another _even_in_the_same_genre_.
> They are moving forward with sequenced music that TD abandoned ...
thank god someone will do it. i have to point out that 2002/TD is not the same
people that was 1977/TD. i don't really think Ed & Jerry 'abandoned' the
technique, i think that now it's obvious that the technique left them. when
Christophe Franke left, so did the cool sequence lines.
listening to Franke's 'London Concert' i have to think to myself that that's
probably what TD would have sounded like in 1990 if Eddie hadn't have alienated
him out of the group with the assembly-line soundtrack schedule.
at least Klaus has stuck to his guns. he might be using orphaned Quasimidi
gear, but he's still making cool teutonic texture music.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Eric Williamson wrote:
>i don't really think Ed & Jerry 'abandoned' the
>technique, i think that now it's obvious that the technique left them. when
>Christophe Franke left, so did the cool sequence lines.
I've got to wonder what people are talking about when they say TD's music
doesn't have sequences anymore. Are you thinking of the same band I am?
>listening to Franke's 'London Concert' i have to think to myself that that's
>probably what TD would have sounded like in 1990 if Eddie hadn't have
alienated
>him out of the group with the assembly-line soundtrack schedule.
Just my opinion, but I can't say I find that prospect very appealing.
--Daniel
NP: Juno Reactor - Bible of Dreams
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From:
'marc todd'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:48
am
Subject: To be or not TD
Hi Everyone,
I had to come out of lurk mode to drop a few comments.
Maybe I'm just too cynical, but it really doesn't look like we're going to
get any untouched vintage concerts or studio material anytime soon. Since
TDI was formed, the only '70's era music that has seen the light of day was
Soundmill Navigator which had poor sound and was tangentized in parts. This
is why I passed on this release. I don't know why Klaus Schulze can release
numerous box sets spanning his whole career all with unreleased music while
TDI repackages previous albums over and over again. However, thanks to bands
like AirSculpture and RMI this particular style of EM is alive and well. A
lot of these 'Berlin School'
bands have progressed to the point where they have their own sound that
through the use of customizing their equipment is constantly changing. No
shortage of creativity there. The only similarity between these bands and TD
is the basic structure of a opus in three movements ie. into, sequencer,
ending. Technology has progressed to the point where bands can make this
music much more dynamic with a larger palette of sounds. TD may be the
standard but I know I'm not alone in thinking that some of the music from
these so-called bedroom musicians surpasses TD's output in the 70's. I might
add that I never listened to TD until '88. After Haslinger left I noticed a
decline in the composition of TD's music. Why? I cannot say except the music
just seemed duller somehow. Do I still like TD? Sure, but I no longer
purchase music from them unless I have a chance to hear the entire album
first. I may make an exception for the Melrose Years set as this is my
second favorite era of TD's history. I simply like their 70's era best and
if bands like AirSculpture end up sounding like them then great. I can only
listen to Rubycon so many times before I have to take a break from it for a
couple months.
Besides, really, how creative is TD's music these days? From their own
standpoint it is as they have tried their hand at techno, ambient, and some
of the other genres. However they simply followed what was trendy at the
time. I recently caught RMI in concert and they gave a tremendous gig. Not
only did they play live which is something TD does not seem to do anymore
according to some, but they (like other Berlin School bands) improvised much
of the concert, something TD lacks the confidence to do. If not why all the
cookie-cutter concerts?
Lastly I agree with Uncle Marty that comments on the TD guestbook really
should be thought out before posting. If you don't like an album just say
you didn't like it. No need to go on and on trashing it. Constructive
criticism is always welcome. Be happy that TD is being very good sports with
their tolerance of the cdr trees. If they weren't many of us (myself
included) wouldn't have a chance to hear some of their history.
Kind Regards,
Marc
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Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:43
am
Subject: courses in Berlin School
Has anyone given it a thought to put on-line a course in Berlin School? Even
a correspondent course would be cool?
Just image what one could use as samples to style. The do's and don'ts. 1 2
3 5 8 14 and so forth?
Dale
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] courses in Berlin School
Quoting Admin :
> Has anyone given it a thought to put on-line a course in Berlin School?
> Even a correspondent course would be cool?
who would prepare the course material?
would you have specialised degrees in the English, Teutonic, 80s, and so forth?
would there be a department of ghetto studies, to make sure the students were
being groovy? points taken off for putting the snare samples on 1 & 3 for
instance.
what would the school's drug policy be?
Eric Williamson
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Quoting quarlie@a...:
> quoting me:
> > when Christophe Franke left, so did the cool sequence lines.
> I've got to wonder what people are talking about when they say TD's
> music doesn't have sequences anymore. Are you thinking of the same band
> I am?
i think everybody's idea of 'what TD is' totally personal conjecture. i've
listened to the 2001 bootleg, DM 1 & 3, and Soundmill Navigator. the over-
reliance on factory Korg Trinity sounds and sample CDs left a bad taste in my
mouth.
but that is my personal feeling. it's just a feeling. i know that they still
have 1/8th note and 1/16th note sequence lines in the music, but they no longer
use the tools that allow you to focus on _playing_ the sequencer in the way
that Franke did. the arpeggiators in the Z1 and JP-8000 (which is what they
claim they use for the sequence lines in keyboard mag a couple years ago) do
not allow for skipping of steps, the sequencing of clock mixes, or many other
interesting things you can do with a modular analogue sequencer to bring
variety to a repetetive pattern.
the 'playing of the sequencer' element of TD started going away in the late
70s, along with the onset of digital memory sequencers, more rigid roadmaps for
their live shows, and better drum machine patterns. which is kinda sad because
i like the electronic drums element of the early 80s TD but not the more static
sequences.
so i guess my point is that no, i'm not talking about the same band you are.
and that's okay since there's 30 years of this band to pick and choose how we
want to view it.
Eric Williamson
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] T-shirts + Melrose
>
>
>My problem with these Booster packs and now the current 'you have to buy
>the Melrose set if you want a T-shirt' thing is that we have ot buy
>something we essentially already have to get the T-shirt.
>
>-Morgan
Hi Morgan,
the above is just plainly wrong. You can order all shirts separately. You
just get USD 5 off the total if you order them as a set...
I would really appreciate it if people would verify their comments before
they post them. Thanks.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 04:05 22.11.02, you wrote:
>but that is my personal feeling. it's just a feeling. i know that they still
>have 1/8th note and 1/16th note sequence lines in the music, but they no
>longer
>use the tools that allow you to focus on _playing_ the sequencer in the way
>that Franke did.
Dear list,
just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about
asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever
verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or
even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when
TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a
sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts
were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or
was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences
so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean
about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please
don´t ask me about the truth, as I wasn´t there either... but at least I
don´t assert things as being true without actually knowing.
To quote Timothy Leary here: think for yourself, question (any) 'authority'.
Not meaning to attack you in any way, Eric, by the way. Just trying to give
some food for thought.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:00
am
Subject: Re: Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
--- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>
> just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday
about
> asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one
can ever
> verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did
*all* or
> even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the
studio when
> TD recorded their albums?
It sure wasn't Franke alone, just listen to Edgars solo
albums and Baumann solo albums (if you're talking about
the 70s that is)...I find just as interesting things in
them as with TD. And as Martin said, Franke isn't exactly
doing sequencer-stuff these days, well he is but not the
step sequency things.
You can only guess what TD sounded like when Franke didn't
left...in fact I think it wouldn't sound too different then it
sounds now.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Falcon
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 10:52 AM 11/22/2002, you wrote:
>How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or
>even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when
>TD recorded their albums?
Like many here I also believed, that Edgar was playing guitar and some
synths, Chris programmed and triggered the sequencer and Peter (later
Johannes) played the Mellotron and piano. Maybe this comes from some of the
photos flying around, showing Chris sitting in front of a step sequencer or
so, and Edgar holding his precious Stratocaster ;-) .
Ramon
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Who cares!!!!!!............................=O)
I just want to get hold of the stuff edgar is hiding in the old
closet/box/whatever.......
Back to White Eagle playing on my stereo..............
Jan
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From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 04:05 22.11.02, you wrote:
>but that is my personal feeling. it's just a feeling. i know that they
still
>have 1/8th note and 1/16th note sequence lines in the music, but they no
>longer
>use the tools that allow you to focus on _playing_ the sequencer in the way
>that Franke did.
Dear list,
just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about
asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever
verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or
even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when
TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a
sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts
were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or
was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences
so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean
about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please
don´t ask me about the truth, as I wasn´t there either... but at least I
don´t assert things as being true without actually knowing.
To quote Timothy Leary here: think for yourself, question (any) 'authority'.
Not meaning to attack you in any way, Eric, by the way. Just trying to give
some food for thought.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:36
am
Subject: Re: courses in Berlin School
There is a new Yahoo group aimed at discussing this very issue -
EM_Masterclass is an offshoot of Beyond_EM.
At the moment Grant Middleton is showing how he constructed patches for his
recent set at Hamphsire Jam 2. Previous posts have covered how to constrcut
sequences, hardware sequencers etc.
Daniel
From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:54
am
Subject: Tree help
Hi
Can anyone in the UK help me out by copying a redbook set of the Tangerine
Tree 2? All e-mails to my supplier have bounced. Please reply offlist.
Many thanks in advance
Brian
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Quasi-Official Use of Fan Materials (was New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!)
> I have DVDs where the director filmography (for Chang Cheh) was
> taken from my website.
Did you ever got a meed? :Ö)
Rainer
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Alpha Centauri
> >These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto
> >the booklet :-(.
> Hi Rainer,
> of course, you obtained proper licenses from the designers of
> the _original_ covers before you put scans onto your website.
No, they did not (as I know).
> Congratulatiuons, now you can sue the ass off Castle.
No I don`t want. But I try to get some promo-records instead...... :-)))
Rainer
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!
>But!!!!
>
>To my big surprise, I found 9 photos from the Ultima Thule versions
>on vinyl in the booklet. And all(!) are taken from my homepage.
>If you want to verify: http://www.rutka.de/td/ultima.html
>These are scans I did from my collection and now they are onto
>the booklet :-(.
>
> Rainer
Interesting... especially because the Electronic Meditation reissue has the
following text snippet:
'Photos by Monique Froese & unknown. If any are yours, please step
forwards!' or something similar...
John Vertical
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Alpha Centauri CD with Ultima Thule! They used my photos!!!
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, John Vertical wrote:
> Interesting... especially because the Electronic Meditation reissue has the
> following text snippet:
> 'Photos by Monique Froese & unknown. If any are yours, please step
> forwards!' or something similar...
> John Vertical
nono.....
because I did the scans for the covers doesn`t mean I have the
rights :-| for the pictures. They belong to the artists or whoelse
who is the copyright owner.
It was just a funny thing IMO how Sanctuary records is working and
searching for the pics.
Rainer
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Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1576
You know, it worked for John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Maybe Edgar and Jerome
could pose 'neked' with a paper tear off cover covering them up and then if
you want to see........WHAT AM I SAYING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
AARRGG! These images are now on a Journey Through my Burning Brain!!!!
Neal
>>Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:33:49 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Jonathan Holt
>>Subject: Re: Martin's post
>>
>>As much as I love TD, I never ever want to see Edgar
>>or Jerome naked *shudder*.
>>
>>Now, I'm off to the site to get my Melrose Box-set.
>>$30 is great!!!
>>I do have to agree that a sound sample or two, or a
>>couple of words from TD themselves regarding the ins
>>and outs of the re-recording would have been good...
>>Still, at least they're not naked... Oh, I can't get
>>that out of my head now... AGGGHHHH!!!!
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Subject: new releases
Hello all,
I think I crawled from under the rock to late. Alpha Centauri has been
re-releases, and with an extra track? Other than the new Private Music set,
what else has been re-released with extra tracks?
Thanks
Neal
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 strat95@b... wrote:
> Hello all,
> I think I crawled from under the rock to late. Alpha Centauri has been
> re-releases, and with an extra track? Other than the new Private Music set,
> what else has been re-released with extra tracks?
> Thanks, Neal
Hi Neal!
Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records
by TD.
Electronic Meditation
and
Alpha Centauri
AC is enhanced with the bonus-track 'ULTIMA THULE, PART 1' in
a paper slipcase with a 8 pages booklet including some photos
from the AC years and all covers from Ultima Thule (from my
homepage). Together with an essay written by Paul Russell.
The sound quality is fine, but the music was not reprocessed.
Sadly only Part 1 of Ultima is on the disk. Part 2 is missing again!
It`s a nice set, but only for the real DIE-HARDs who are collecting
everything.
Electronic Meditation was released without an extra-track.
More infos, pictures, tracklistings: www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk
search for Artist: Tangerine Dream.
Rainer
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases
> Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records
> by TD.
>
> Electronic Meditation
> and
> Alpha Centauri
and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website (but I saw one
up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date for 'Atem' was
November
11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site.
Heiko
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'heineu'
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pm
Subject: Re: new releases
hello,
and also ZEIT, released date 18.11.2002, available on JPC and
amazon.de
Regards
the other Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
-- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
> > Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique
records
> > by TD.
> >
> > Electronic Meditation
> > and
> > Alpha Centauri
>
> and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website
(but I saw one
> up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date
for 'Atem' was November
> 11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site.
>
> Heiko
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: new releases
Hi,
are you talking about CD or LP releases? I remember there
have been some high quality vinyl re-releases of some pre-Phaedra
albums a while ago which I unfortunately never got hold off.
Apparently the sound quality of those was very good (I mean
proper recording etc. yielding better sound than CD).
As I still love high quality vinyl (on my regar planar 3 ;-) )
I would have loved to get these...
armin
heineu wrote:
> hello,
>
> and also ZEIT, released date 18.11.2002, available on JPC and
> amazon.de
>
> Regards
> the other Heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
> -- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>>
>>> Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique
>>>
> records
>
>>>by TD.
>>>
>>>Electronic Meditation
>>>and
>>>Alpha Centauri
>>>
>>and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website
>>
> (but I saw one
>
>>up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date
>>
> for 'Atem' was November
>
>>11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site.
>>
>>Heiko
>>
>
>
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:44
pm
Subject: Re: new releases
Hello,
all four new releases are CD-Releases on Sanctury Records.
Cheers
Heiko - Mr. Optical
--- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> are you talking about CD or LP releases? I remember there
> have been some high quality vinyl re-releases of some pre-Phaedra
> albums a while ago which I unfortunately never got hold off.
> Apparently the sound quality of those was very good (I mean
> proper recording etc. yielding better sound than CD).
> As I still love high quality vinyl (on my regar planar 3 ;-) )
> I would have loved to get these...
>
> armin
>
> heineu wrote:
>
> > hello,
> >
> > and also ZEIT, released date 18.11.2002, available on JPC and
> > amazon.de
> >
> > Regards
> > the other Heiko - Mr. Optical
> > http://www.opticaldream.de
> >
> > -- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique
> >>>
> > records
> >
> >>>by TD.
> >>>
> >>>Electronic Meditation
> >>>and
> >>>Alpha Centauri
> >>>
> >>and also ATEM, although they don't list this one on their website
> >>
> > (but I saw one
> >
> >>up for grabs in my local cd store yesterday) Release date
> >>
> > for 'Atem' was November
> >
> >>11th, as stated on the German JPC mailorder site.
> >>
> >>Heiko
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1576
>You know, it worked for John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Maybe Edgar and Jerome
>could pose 'neked' with a paper tear off cover covering them up and then if
>you want to see........WHAT AM I SAYING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
>
>AARRGG! These images are now on a Journey Through my Burning Brain!!!!
>
>Neal
Too bad that TD don't have that much female audience... but don't forget
Iris (too bad Linda Spa isn't a member anymore)
John Vertical (what kind of a topic is this?!)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
> >How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or
> >even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when
> >TD recorded their albums?
>
>Like many here I also believed, that Edgar was playing guitar and some
>synths, Chris programmed and triggered the sequencer and Peter (later
>Johannes) played the Mellotron and piano. Maybe this comes from some of the
>photos flying around, showing Chris sitting in front of a step sequencer or
>so, and Edgar holding his precious Stratocaster ;-) .
>
>Ramon
Hmmm... and then there's the tale that it was Chris whose work the Phaedra
sequencing was.
Concerning Peter, is there really any evidence (besides Sequent 'C) that all
the wonderful mellotron flute passages in eg. TT vol. 6 pt 1, Cherokee Lane,
3am at the Border of the Marsh... were his doing? I wonder where did I catch
that bit of information in the first place at all.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: To be or not TD
>Today, by contrast, people like us are seen as a hopeless, nerdy,
>anachronistic sect of Dream Disciples who have no social skills to speak of
>and therefore convene in secretive little meetings to listen to lift music
>together...
>
>Dennis
You know, this resembles my life in an eerie way... (except for the
'together' part) ;]
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From:
Falcon
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 04:03 PM 11/22/2002, you wrote:
>Concerning Peter, is there really any evidence (besides Sequent 'C) that all
>the wonderful mellotron flute passages in eg. TT vol. 6 pt 1, Cherokee Lane,
>3am at the Border of the Marsh... were his doing? I wonder where did I catch
>that bit of information in the first place at all.
Did you ever read the Encore cd inlay ?
Edgar Froese equipment (besides other)
- Gibson Les Paul Custon Guitars, Twin Keyboard Mellotron Mark V, Moog Synth
Chris Franke
- Moog Modular Synth (perfect for doing sequencing, at least in 1977),
Project Electronic Sequencer, Computerstudio Digital Sequencer, Mellotron M400
- Peter Baumann
- Project Electronic Modular Synth, Fender Rhodes Piano, Mellotron M400
all of them had a Mellotron, but i think, they just couldnt change the tape
cartridge on stage, so one played the flute, the other played the strings
and the third played the mellochoir.
I sure know, this is no evidence at all, but at least a hint, who played
what part.
just my 2 cents. . .
Ramon
PS: I wonder, what Peter used the vocoder for on Encore. . .
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
>Did you ever read the Encore cd inlay ?
yes...
>all of them had a Mellotron, but i think, they just couldnt change the tape
>cartridge on stage, so one played the flute, the other played the strings
>and the third played the mellochoir.
>
>I sure know, this is no evidence at all, but at least a hint, who played
>what part.
Circular reasoning indeed. Peter played the flute because he had the flute
cartridge? So how we know that he had the flute cartridge?
(and wasn't Cherokee Lane reconstructed in studio?)
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: courses in Berlin School
Cool, however, yahoo seems to have me on their bug list the last few weeks.
I will add this to my list to check out.
heck who knows, if I add another list maybe yahoo will update the data base
and all will be fine for a while again.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: courses in Berlin School
> There is a new Yahoo group aimed at discussing this very issue -
> EM_Masterclass is an offshoot of Beyond_EM.
>
> At the moment Grant Middleton is showing how he constructed patches for
his
> recent set at Hamphsire Jam 2. Previous posts have covered how to
constrcut
> sequences, hardware sequencers etc.
>
> Daniel
>
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>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: new releases
Yes!
Electronic Mediatation,
Alpha Centauri,
Zeit,
Atem
are the new releases on Sanctuary.
But, there are similar counterpart releases from Russia from 2001 of:
Zeit,
Atem
which come in a CD sleeve and are on the SomeWax Recordings label. I hear
that these are officially licensed releases from Russia. They have the
formal hologram tax stamps.
Vic
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From: heineu
> all four new releases are CD-Releases on Sanctury Records.
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Optical
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From:
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Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Quoting TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak :
> verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all*
---- snip ----
> Not meaning to attack you in any way, Eric, by the way. Just trying to
> give some food for thought.
i didn't mean to come off like that at all.
i can see your point totally. exactly the same thing happened with Japan. they
sounded one way when they broke up, then when everyone in the band started
doing solo stuff it sounded totally different _but_everyone_had_the_same_vibe_.
i'm going to listen to Stuntman tonight, just for you Martin. thanks for
getting back to me about Streethawk so quickly.
Eric Williamson
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fans in Portugal
vic rek wrote:
>
> Are there any fans on this list from Portugal?
> I am looking for a few TD items form this country and I was wondering if
> anyone can help?
Vic, I answered you privately yesterday. Didn't you receive my e-mail?
Antonio Nunes, in Portugal
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:37
pm
Subject: thanx
Hello Dreamers,
Thanks to everyone who helped with tangents...
Any new info interests me ;o)
Best Regards
Fred
NP : JMJ, sessions 2000
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Martin wrote:
Dear list,
just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about
asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever
verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or
even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when
TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a
sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London concerts
were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or
was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences
so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean
about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please
don´t ask me about the truth, as I wasn´t there either... but at least I
don´t assert things as being true without actually knowing.
Well,
I was one such witness at his 1991 Concert in London - I was lucky enough to
help him out setting up etc. and I was on the stage (to the right) while he
performed. Listen to the live version of Purple Waves and you'll here
excellent sequencing which is unique to CF and does not appear on any TD
record! :-) So, would that be proof??!!! ;-) ;-) Pity he hasn't matched
that level of clever sequencing since!
Aside from this I take your point but creating so called 'truths'!
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
From:
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Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1577
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I have a double LP reissue of Alpha Centuari and
Atem on, I think, Virgin Records. I'm not sure
when this came out, but I'm guessing it was
sometime in the early 80's. The labels on the
records are the tan coloured ones, like on my LP
copy of Tangram.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases
>Sadly only Part 1 of Ultima is on the disk. Part 2 is missing again!
Makes you wonder, what's on the mind of these people?
should I answer? ;)
GJ np: Solaris 1990 - Eden
owner of an old Relativity EM.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
> From: Falcon [mailto:falcon@r...]
>
> all of them had a Mellotron, but i think, they just couldnt
> change the tape
> cartridge on stage, so one played the flute, the other played
> the strings
> and the third played the mellochoir.
>
> I sure know, this is no evidence at all, but at least a hint,
> who played
> what part.
:-)
Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them
so they could easily change between strings, flute and
choir? Yes they had 3 sets so it could easily be Edgar or
Chris or Peter who played that part.
I think they all played various mellotron tapes, just listen
to Epsilon...
In the end it doesn't matter who played what, it is the result
and music that came out of it.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:42
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Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
>
> <>
>
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From:
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Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:24
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Hi Conrad,
Yes he did excel, as did Tim Blake et al .Wait a minute , wasn't that the
Astoria! or have the mists of time eluded me.
The genesis AMP records had a role as well, correct me if I'm wrong.
See you in the queue in February.
Regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Conrad Gibbons'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
>
> Martin wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> just one little emphasis on the point I tried to make yesterday about
> asserted 'truth' that carry on a life of their own even if no one can ever
> verify them. How does anyone of you know that Franke actually did *all* or
> even part of the sequencing? Was anyone of you present in the studio when
> TD recorded their albums? Did anyone actually ever see Franke 'play' a
> sequence? How can you be sure that the sequences on Frankes London
concerts
> were not merely samples of old TD stuff? Does any one of you have proof or
> was anyone a personal witness? I guess not. Why are the good old sequences
> so blatantly missing form the newer Franke material? That is what I mean
> about truths being 'created' and starting a life of their own. And please
> dont ask me about the truth, as I wasnt there either... but at least I
> dont assert things as being true without actually knowing.
>
> Well,
>
> I was one such witness at his 1991 Concert in London - I was lucky enough
to
> help him out setting up etc. and I was on the stage (to the right) while
he
> performed. Listen to the live version of Purple Waves and you'll here
> excellent sequencing which is unique to CF and does not appear on any TD
> record! :-) So, would that be proof??!!! ;-) ;-) Pity he hasn't matched
> that level of clever sequencing since!
>
> Aside from this I take your point but creating so called 'truths'!
>
> Regards,
>
> Conrad Gibbons
>
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From:
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Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 2:59
am
Subject: EMUSIC Playliat #296
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #296 November 21, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System
Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc two of the two CD
set 'Atmospheric Conditions' by Free System Projekt on the Quantum label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Games' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the
Passport Records label.
Two Dutch Bands
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Synergy Delta One Games (Passport Records)
Mike Griffin and Please Identify Imprint (Hypnos)
Dave Fulton
Richard Pinhas RF (for) Event and Repetitions
(Cuneiform)
Ixohoxi Recurring Daydream Somnabulae (MP3.COM)
Robert Carty and Polar Shift Climatic Infusion (none)
Brannan Lane
John Flomer Praying with Fire On a Stranger Light (Spotted
Peccary)
Stephen Philips Stream of Reflections in Water (Dark
Consciousness * Duck)
12:00 am
Free System Projekt Larissa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
Free System Projekt Proteus Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
Free System Projekt Triton Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
Free System Projekt Neried Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free
System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two
from 'Cloudseeder' by Wave World on the VFR label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Cords' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry
Fast, on the Passport label.
Bill
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #295
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
> >Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records)
> >Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records)
> Just a little comment I felt like doing, Audion is amazing. I highly recommend
it. Great mood, and I always think of a big metropolis at night, raining, Blade
Runner etc, when I listen to it. Very nice way to start this radio show. A pity
I don't have an EM show on my radio here.
Hi Gustavo,
What country is signified by the .br in your address?
> gustavojobim@s...
Depending on your time zone, you could listen to EMUSIC on the web!
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN.
Cheers,
Bill
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11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:36
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 11:23 PM 11/22/2002, you wrote:
>Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them
>so they could easily change between strings, flute and
>choir?
Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the
same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only
Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. But I think
(not know), he was the one having these partly odd sounds on his mellotron
soundbank (water closet reverse, waterdrops, battle cry, this odd alien
sound a.s.o.). And I've nelieve to remember ;-) to have read something
about 'different' mellotron flute playing during the 2.4.1975 London
concert (while Peter was on an illumination-trip) by Michael Hoenig.
We could continue for weeks to discuss this and wouldn't come any further.
It sounds good 'as is', no matter who played what part. Period. :-)
Oh, and Marcel, the FSP concert at Hampshire Jam 2001 : Excellent ! Please
more ! :-)))
Ramon
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:24
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
> >Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them
> >so they could easily change between strings, flute and
> >choir?
>
>Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the
>same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only
>Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron.
Or two persons *both* playing the Mellotron?
John Vertical
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:39
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 08:24 AM 11/23/2002, you wrote:
> >Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the
> >same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only
> >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron.
>
>
>Or two persons *both* playing the Mellotron?
The point was, that you can switch the sound on the mellotron, but you cant
play more than one tapebank at a time. Of course could, for example, Edgar
and Peter have played their personal mellotron, while Chris was preparing
the sequence. I meant, only Edgar could have played both strings and flute
alone, since he had a twin keyb. mellotron with 2 separate tapebanks.
Little mis-understanding.
Ramon
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
I believe you right here, mellotron playing while Chris prepared the next
part of the piece.
In the 80's, it sounds as if this time was taken by pre recorded parts while
knob turning was done.....
Paulus.d
-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 23 November 2002 07:39
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
>At 08:24 AM 11/23/2002, you wrote:
>> >Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the
>> >same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only
>> >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron.
>>
>>
>>Or two persons *both* playing the Mellotron?
>
>The point was, that you can switch the sound on the mellotron, but you cant
>play more than one tapebank at a time. Of course could, for example, Edgar
>and Peter have played their personal mellotron, while Chris was preparing
>the sequence. I meant, only Edgar could have played both strings and flute
>alone, since he had a twin keyb. mellotron with 2 separate tapebanks.
>Little mis-understanding.
>
>Ramon
>
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
Are you refering to the odd seagull sort of sound in Tt1 vol 1? this sound
is still present in Yellowstone park, klemania etc
Paulus.d
-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 23 November 2002 05:35
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
>At 11:23 PM 11/22/2002, you wrote:
>>Hmmm didn't the mellotron had 3 sets of tapes in them
>>so they could easily change between strings, flute and
>>choir?
>
>Right, but when you, for example, hear the strings and the flute at the
>same time (like in the Cherokee Lane Intro), this is a problem ;-). Only
>Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. But I think
>(not know), he was the one having these partly odd sounds on his mellotron
>soundbank (water closet reverse, waterdrops, battle cry, this odd alien
>sound a.s.o.). And I've nelieve to remember ;-) to have read something
>about 'different' mellotron flute playing during the 2.4.1975 London
>concert (while Peter was on an illumination-trip) by Michael Hoenig.
>We could continue for weeks to discuss this and wouldn't come any further.
>It sounds good 'as is', no matter who played what part. Period. :-)
>Oh, and Marcel, the FSP concert at Hampshire Jam 2001 : Excellent ! Please
>more ! :-)))
>
>Ramon
>
>
>
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 11:30 AM 11/23/2002, you wrote:
>Are you refering to the odd seagull sort of sound in Tt1 vol 1? this sound
>is still present in Yellowstone park, klemania etc
Thats one sound of a special custom made mellotron tapebank by TD. All the
sounds in the seventies, which could not be created with synths (samplers
werent invented at that time), come from the mellotron, custom made
tapebank to be exact. This includes the crow sound, this alien sound on
Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound,
this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this
sound, since he was using it after he left TD.
Ramon
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
>Are you refering to the odd seagull sort of sound in Tt1 vol 1? this sound
>is still present in Yellowstone park, klemania etc
>
>Paulus.d
>
> >Edgar could have done this with his twin keyboard Mellotron. But I think
> >(not know), he was the one having these partly odd sounds on his
>mellotron
> >soundbank (water closet reverse, waterdrops, battle cry, this odd alien
> >sound a.s.o.)
> >
> >Ramon
I'm in fact compiling a database on (among other similar things) the
appearences of all these strange voices... from the 70s I have:
-the Alien Seagull
-the strange percussion sounds from eg. Ricochet Part 2 (when the strange
ricochet part fades in)
-the various howls from eg. Coldwater Canyon, around 12 minutes
-the 'airplane attack' (as I call it) from eg. TT vol. 1 pt 1 (ca. 25
minutes) and the percussion clashes following these
-and of course bird voices, but they're so common I'm not listing them
I don't really recall anything like 'waterdrops'; could you specify where
this is to be found?
John Vertical
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample
> Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound,
> this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this
Hello, Ramon and Dreamers,
When I used to hear the radio in the '80s, it was my method to understand TD
had released an album I didn't know :
The 'seagull' :-))
At this time, I hardly discovered Peter Baumann's 'Transharmonic Nights'.
But I did ;o) (it was Meridian Moorland).
Meadow Of infinity (from romance '76) contains it too (around 3:00)
Another great sound sample IMHO is the one in Ricochet part 1 starting both
@ 6:27 / 6:38 and Mojave Plan @ 14:22 (is it the same, really ?)
I thought I hearded this one elsewhere, but I can't remember... any idea ?
Later,
Fred
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bellyaching about 'copying TD'
At 12:15 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote:
>I don't really recall anything like 'waterdrops'; could you specify where
>this is to be found?
I described it a bit wrong, its actually that 'splashing' sound.
You can hear it on the Danger Live boot, first track (38:14). It was used
during various concerts from 75-76, but doesnt seem to appear on any of the
official albums. Also interesting is one percussion sound, to be found on
Ricochet Part 2 (13:54), followed by an odd voice sample. This one also
appears on various concert recordings.
Ramon
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample
You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, in
German!
Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO mellotron
flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute?
Paulus.d
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Yargui
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: 23 November 2002 11:18
Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample
>> Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull' sound,
>> this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this
>
>Hello, Ramon and Dreamers,
>
>When I used to hear the radio in the '80s, it was my method to understand
TD
>had released an album I didn't know :
>
>The 'seagull' :-))
>
>At this time, I hardly discovered Peter Baumann's 'Transharmonic Nights'.
>But I did ;o) (it was Meridian Moorland).
>Meadow Of infinity (from romance '76) contains it too (around 3:00)
>
>Another great sound sample IMHO is the one in Ricochet part 1 starting both
>@ 6:27 / 6:38 and Mojave Plan @ 14:22 (is it the same, really ?)
>I thought I hearded this one elsewhere, but I can't remember... any idea ?
>
>Later,
>
>Fred
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:21
pm
Subject: Piano playing in TD
I think most in concert piano playing is Edgar?
With Pergamon being an exception!!!
Paulus.d
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample
So it was that !!! Kraftwerk's 'numbers' is not so original now ;o))
I'll listen this passage again, then...
Later,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Dryden'
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample
> You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
in
> German!
> Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO mellotron
> flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute?
>
> Paulus.d
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Yargui
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 23 November 2002 11:18
> Subject: Re: [tadream] seagull sample
>
>
> >> Coldwater Canyon, the reversed water closet and also the 'seagull'
sound,
> >> this one also appears in the Wavelength OST. I think, Chris built this
> >
> >Hello, Ramon and Dreamers,
> >
> >When I used to hear the radio in the '80s, it was my method to understand
> TD
> >had released an album I didn't know :
> >
> >The 'seagull' :-))
> >
> >At this time, I hardly discovered Peter Baumann's 'Transharmonic Nights'.
> >But I did ;o) (it was Meridian Moorland).
> >Meadow Of infinity (from romance '76) contains it too (around 3:00)
> >
> >Another great sound sample IMHO is the one in Ricochet part 1 starting
both
> >@ 6:27 / 6:38 and Mojave Plan @ 14:22 (is it the same, really ?)
> >I thought I hearded this one elsewhere, but I can't remember... any idea
?
> >
> >Later,
> >
> >Fred
> >
> >
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From:
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Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:57
pm
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 23, 2002
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electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and
on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
Show #12 November 23, 2002.
PLAYLIST:
Phase I/Space:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
VA [Fanger & Kersten] Terraforming First Decade 1992-2002
(Manikin)
VA [Ron Boots & Sequence Piece Sequences No. 27 (none)
Kees Aerts]
VA [Keller & Virtual World Sequences No. 27 (none)
Schonwalder]
Ian Boddy Ecliptic Aurora (DiN)
Ian Boddy Vox Lumina Aurora (DiN)
Jeff Pearce The Last Secret Bleed (Hypnos)
Phase II/Eclectic:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Philip Glass and Naqoyqasti Naqoyqasti (SONY Classical)
Yo-Yo Ma
Willy Porter Moonbeam The Trees Have Soul (Don't)
Willy Porter Cut the Rope Falling Forward (Six Degrees)
Willy Porter All Fall Down Willy Porter (Six Degrees)
Alias Zone Dervish Lucid Dreams (Cyber Motion)
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Genesis The Lamb Lies Down On Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Broadway
Genesis Fly On a Windshield Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis Broadway Melody of 1974 Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis Cuckoo Cocoon Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis In the Cage Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis The Grand Parade of Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Lifeless Packaging
Genesis Back in N.Y.C. Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis Hairless Heart Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis Counting Out Time Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis Carpet Crawlers Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
Genesis The Chamber of 32 Doors Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic)
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on December 7.
Bill
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
> > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting
>1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
>in
> > German!
> > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO
>mellotron
> > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute?
> >
> > Paulus.d
There's fast german speech also on:
White Eagle (though female?)
Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box )
Song of the Whale, end of pt 1
Sohoman (Conv. 24 / WE)
> >I don't really recall anything like 'waterdrops'; could you specify where
> >this is to be found?
>
>I described it a bit wrong, its actually that 'splashing' sound.
>You can hear it on the Danger Live boot, first track (38:14). It was used
>during various concerts from 75-76, but doesnt seem to appear on any of the
>official albums. Also interesting is one percussion sound, to be found on
>Ricochet Part 2 (13:54), followed by an odd voice sample. This one also
>appears on various concert recordings.
>
>Ramon
Okay. I haven't payed much attention to this sound because I so far have no
other appearences of it than this..
If I may list a few more:
-a strange sinewave buzzing noise at the beginnings of Cherokee Lane and
TT8, and also at the end of Rain Forest (from Sorcerer)
-these certain howls on Ricochet pt 1 (around 14-16 minutes, I'd say),
Coldwater Canyon (circa 12 mins), a lone appearence on Monolight where the
first sequence ends, multiply on Midnight in Tula, and at the beginning of
the final Horizon segment (Ayers Majestic too)
-what I call the '70s end coda' (not sure if the term is correct) on TT1 pt
2, TT7 pt 3, TT13 Mannh. pt 1, Saarbr. pt 2
I can email a copy of what I have in my database so far if someone is
interested...
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Piano playing in TD
>I think most in concert piano playing is Edgar?
>With Pergamon being an exception!!!
>Paulus.d
Both Edgar and Peter are credited with a piano on the Encore sleeve notes...
and from 86 onwards it was usually Paul.
John Vertical
PS: On the point of multiple flutes on Ricochet pt 2 (which I forgot to add
to my last message, so it's here instead) - the intro in fact has THREE of
them, after the piano has faded out. But since neither of these bits (this
and the 2nd appearence after the ricochet section) was really played live -
see TT vol. 7 part 2 - there's no problem here.
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:43
pm
Subject: Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box ) (was samples)
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:07:37 +0200 'John Vertical'
writes:
> There's fast german speech also on:
> White Eagle (though female?)
> Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box )
Oooo! Great track, that one! I dare say, one of the
best TD-related recordings ever made. ROMANCE '76
is excellent, but this track is even better.
Steven Feldman
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
John, what a connoisseur ;o)
I tried to change the speed with and without tune adjustment but, I couldn't
hear the eins zwei drei ;o))
Did you remember on the old list, we found out at the end of one of EF's
solo track there were piano sounds played backwards...
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
> > > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting
> >1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
> >in
> > > German!
> > > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO
> >mellotron
> > > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute?
> > >
> > > Paulus.d
>
>
> There's fast german speech also on:
> White Eagle (though female?)
> Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box )
> Song of the Whale, end of pt 1
> Sohoman (Conv. 24 / WE)
>
From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
At 04:07 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote:
>a strange sinewave buzzing noise at the beginnings of Cherokee Lane and
>TT8, and also at the end of Rain Forest (from Sorcerer)
This is not a mellotron sound, but a simple noise-generator routed through
a low- or bandpass filter.
>-these certain howls on Ricochet pt 1 (around 14-16 minutes, I'd say),
>Coldwater Canyon (circa 12 mins), a lone appearence on Monolight where the
>first sequence ends, multiply on Midnight in Tula, and at the beginning of
>the final Horizon segment (Ayers Majestic too)
You mean Coldwater Canyon, do you ? This alien sound, which is sounds like
a looped up-pitch of a sine, right ?
Ramon
From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Piano playing in TD
At 04:13 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote:
>On the point of multiple flutes on Ricochet pt 2 (which I forgot to add
>to my last message, so it's here instead) - the intro in fact has THREE of
>them,
I dont understand, you can play the mellotron polyphonic, i fact, you can
press all 32 keys simultaneously. If this sounds any good, is another
question. . . ;-)
Or did you mean something else ?
Ramon
From:
'Colin Jouxson'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream[Gods Greatest Gift]
Tangerine Dream-Poland-Rubycon-Pergamon.TD The Greatest.
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:50
pm
Subject: re: (samplers werent invented at that time),
>(samplers werent invented at that time),
[pedant]
true they were invented decades earlier--after all tape recorders sample
what you record--as did the old metal cylinders from the early 20th
century......Edison did some field sampling, too IIRC.
perhaps you meant easily to manipulate 'dime a dozen' type digital
samplers......
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: (samplers werent invented at that time),
At 12:50 AM 11/24/2002, you wrote:
>after all tape recorders sample
>what you record--as did the old metal cylinders from the early 20th
>century......Edison did some field sampling, too IIRC.
>
>perhaps you meant easily to manipulate 'dime a dozen' type digital
>samplers......
No no, i meant exactly what you described here, this must be perfect to be
used on-stage ;-)) (just kidding)
Actually, the very first sampler (though simple) was the human brain. . .
Ramon
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:02
am
Subject: Steve Schroyder - Music for Qigong Dancing
I have a few original CDRs made by Steve Schroyder (Alpha Centauri - Zeit)
of some awesome chillout electronics. This CD is NOT available anywhere
else and all profits go to Steve. I only have a few copies. The price is
$23 ea. If you wish to see a scan of this CD go to:
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:06
am
Subject: Barracuda
I just have recently obtained two different versions of the Barrcuda VHS PAL
tapes.
I unfortunately have no way of watching this, but I would love to hear the
soundtrack by Klaus Schulze.
Has anyone seen this horror flick? I also wonder what his Body Love movie
is like?
You may take a look at the scans at: http://www.ricochetdream.com/Bcuda.jpg
Vic
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
> >a strange sinewave buzzing noise at the beginnings of Cherokee Lane and
> >TT8, and also at the end of Rain Forest (from Sorcerer)
>
>This is not a mellotron sound, but a simple noise-generator routed through
>a low- or bandpass filter.
But it still appears used in a similar fashion as mellotron sound effects
(it always plays the same pattern)
> >-these certain howls on Ricochet pt 1 (around 14-16 minutes, I'd say),
> >Coldwater Canyon (circa 12 mins), a lone appearence on Monolight where
>the
> >first sequence ends, multiply on Midnight in Tula, and at the beginning
>of
> >the final Horizon segment (Ayers Majestic too)
>
>You mean Coldwater Canyon, do you ? This alien sound, which is sounds like
>a looped up-pitch of a sine, right ?
>
>Ramon
Well, yes. It's pretty commonly used... (several appearences on live shows
too)
> >On the point of multiple flutes on Ricochet pt 2 (which I forgot to add
> >to my last message, so it's here instead) - the intro in fact has THREE
>of
> >them,
>
>I dont understand, you can play the mellotron polyphonic, i fact, you can
>press all 32 keys simultaneously. If this sounds any good, is another
>question. . . ;-)
>
>Or did you mean something else ?
>
>Ramon
Excuse my lousy technical knowledge. I know what things sound like, but not
much about how they're done..
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
>John, what a connoisseur ;o)
>I tried to change the speed with and without tune adjustment but, I
>couldn't
>hear the eins zwei drei ;o))
>Did you remember on the old list, we found out at the end of one of EF's
>solo track there were piano sounds played backwards...
>
>Fred
'Remember' the old list? Geez, I was in elementary school back then..!
This einzwaidrai theory wasn't mine but Paulus D's instead...
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'John Vertical'
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
>
>
> > > > You mean the fast going speech, sounding like counting
> > >1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
> > >in
> > > > German!
> > > > Also the ' do,do,do,do'- strange that after this, blatently TWO
> > >mellotron
> > > > flutes are playing together! Couldn't Peter actually play flute?
> > > >
> > > > Paulus.d
> >
> >
> > There's fast german speech also on:
> > White Eagle (though female?)
> > Haunted Heights (Baumann bonus track on 70'80' box )
> > Song of the Whale, end of pt 1
> > Sohoman (Conv. 24 / WE)
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
At 10:08 AM 11/24/2002, you wrote:
>Excuse my lousy technical knowledge. I know what things sound like, but not
>much about how they're done..
F.Y.I. : www.sonicstate.com (both old and new synths)
and, of course, www.mellotron.com
Ramon
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
Ooops ;o)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] samples
>
>
> 'Remember' the old list? Geez, I was in elementary school back then..!
> This einzwaidrai theory wasn't mine but Paulus D's instead...
>
From:
'Hilary Wright'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:27
am
Subject: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
Just when did TD play the Lycabettus theatre in Athens?
I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st
Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984.
Can anyone help to determine the definitive date? With evidence of course!
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:02
pm
Subject: Moaning
Martin wrote:
(...now here´s an
interesting observation I´ve made: we finally do something as requested and
still there´s the same wave of complaints all over again... sometimes it
seems to me that a majority of the so-called die hard TD fans just love to
complain, no matter what we do... ;-))
Have you only just spotted that! Oh Martin, no-one who is in a measure of
'control' can ever get it right. TDI 'control' our access to the things we
desperately want, therefore you will always be in the wrong.
You don't sell the things we want to buy.
If you do, it's too expensive.
It takes too long to get here.
The packaging is lousy.
The sleeve notes are wrong.
If they're not wrong, the spelling and grammar is cr*p.
The sleeve design is cheesy....
etc. etc. etc.
The thing is, you will only hear from the unhappy people (except on the TDI
forum, apparently). The rest of us are too busy enjoying what we have to
get round to saying thanks.
And... people complain because they care. We want everything associated
with the things we care about to be _perfect_. No-one can achieve
perfection. So we complain. You should be far more worried if your
activities are greeted by a wave of apathy.
LnH
Marion
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to be ...' S. Blakemore
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
Hi Hilary,
I have a press cutting review of the Athens concerts written by Omiros
Karajas, who I believe is the guy who interviewed TD in the studio for the
TV broadcast. In the review, he says TD played two concerts at the
Lycabettus Amphitheatre at the end of August, and the second took place on
the 31st. There is no mention of what year it was, but most people seem to
think it was 1984. Hope that helps.
- Chris
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 1:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
From: 'Hilary Wright'
>
> I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st
> Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984.
The correct dates are 30th and 31st August:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/82-83.html
Maff
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> The correct dates are 30th and 31st August:
And I forgot to mention, 1983. There were no TD tours during 1984 and 1985
Maff
From:
kostas karlis
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 12:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
> Just when did TD play the Lycabettus theatre in Athens?
>
> I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and 31st
> Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984.
>
> Can anyone help to determine the definitive date? With evidence of course!
>
>
hello from athens
i cannot give you any more help than this
in my version of the cd-r [no i was not there to tape this as i was only 6
at the time] there is tha date 10.06.84
but the facts are the followings
there is a sort version of an interview with TD where the anouncer says '
lets here the show that they played 2 weeks before' [the program the
interview was broadcasted was in a friday night]
also there is part of logos-lp in the second part of athens lycabetus
[therefore its a latter show] and also the anouncer says something that this
is a world first for the 'TAO' session [this means the 5 first tracks i.e.
the first part of the show]
and also there is this thing that the anouncer for the greek tv says ' world
premier from greek TV' so i guess that greek TV must have the show in
video-tape [and in good quality i guess]
does anybody have a clue for this video?
there is also an TD show in 1996 in greece that was cancelled for your info
hope i helped if not sorry
[a great thank you to the one provided this recording to me, and to the one
recorded this in the first palce- and of course to TD for playing it]
all the best kostas from athens
p.s. i just spend my hole weekend trying to fix my pc and listening to
athens live this time helps me a lot
[ I had a long time to play this and its a pitty cause its a great show]
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Moaning
>The thing is, you will only hear from the unhappy people (except on the TDI
>forum, apparently). The rest of us are too busy enjoying what we have to
>get round to saying thanks.
>
>And... people complain because they care. We want everything associated
>with the things we care about to be _perfect_. No-one can achieve
>perfection. So we complain. You should be far more worried if your
>activities are greeted by a wave of apathy.
>
>LnH
>
>Marion
Indeed. For example, even if I say that 'Cliffs of Sydney is not that good a
piece' I still think it beats some 80% of the other music I know... this we
often forget to mention!
John Vertical
fave TD piece of the moment (not playing though): Journey Through A Burning
Brain
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From:
pfellows@c...
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:37
pm
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
>From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
>
>> The correct dates are 30th and 31st August:
>
>
>And I forgot to mention, 1983. There were no TD tours
during 1984 and 1985
>
>Maff
I'll second that
Paul
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:09
pm
Subject: Re: Steve Schroyder - Music for Qigong Dancing
This album opens with a montage of all the styles to be found on the rest
of the disc. Then each style is expanded into its own. The individual
tracks stand alone, but also have a lot in common with the other tracks.
The selections on Qigong Dancing can be heard separately, but the album
really benefits from being heard in one or two sittings, as it all ties
together. We are brought from the most ambient environment into ethnic
sounds and finally some true dance music is heard.
I'd recommend it to anyone. :)
-Morgan
At 01:02 AM 11/24/2002 -0500, vic rek wrote:
>I have a few original CDRs made by Steve Schroyder (Alpha Centauri - Zeit)
>of some awesome chillout electronics. This CD is NOT available anywhere
>else and all profits go to Steve. I only have a few copies. The price is
>$23 ea. If you wish to see a scan of this CD go to:
>http://www.ricochetdream.com/SSOQD.jpg
>Please contact me off list if interested.
>
>Thanks,
>VicRek
>www.ricochetdream.com
>
>
>
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>Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:15
am
Subject: Semi-OT: Ryoan-ji pictures
Hi everyone--
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but on Saturday I visited Ryoan-ji in Kyoto,
Japan. This is the temple that inspired the TD track 'Zen Garden' from 'Le
Parc,' so I thought some people might be interested in seeing the photos that I
took there. They can be found on my Web site:
http://www.quarlie.com/pictures/pictures.php?folder=20021123ryoanji
Sorry if the layout screws up on your computer. It looks all right on mine, but
I can't predict how other browsers will react. That's CSS for you.
--Daniel
NP: VNV Nation - Empires
From:
'braddito'
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 8:40
am
Subject: Re: Lycabettus Theatre, Athens
Hi Hilary, this is something that I have been wondering too as the
DVD R recently made available by a member of this group clearly has
1982 in the run in to the show. The opening section is the same as
the opening to Poland, hence, if it really was the first performance
as claimed by Greek TV, it has to be before the Poland shows. I don't
speak Greek, so I can't tell what the other captions say, but I can't
see why they would put that on the tape if the show was from 1983 ?
Not much help I'm afraid.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'Hilary Wright' wrote:
> Just when did TD play the Lycabettus theatre in Athens?
>
> I have found references to 1982, June 1983 (but no day), 30th and
31st
> Aug 1983 and same dates in 1984.
>
> Can anyone help to determine the definitive date? With evidence of
course!
From:
Mr Paul Dryden
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 1:17
pm
Subject: TT2 vol15
Have been lisening to vol 15, wow is all I can say!!!
I thought I wasn't keen on TD's newer stuff, but this is great!!!
If the London gig is simlar, I won't be too disappointed!
The only odd bit is the 'little song' and its circulation?
Does anyone have an English translation for the press conference?
Best Regs Paulus.d
--
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 2:57
pm
Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus
>Hi Hilary, this is something that I have been wondering too as the
>DVD R recently made available by a member of this group clearly has
>1982 in the run in to the show. The opening section is the same as
>the opening to Poland, hence, if it really was the first performance
>as claimed by Greek TV, it has to be before the Poland shows. I don't
>speak Greek, so I can't tell what the other captions say, but I can't
>see why they would put that on the tape if the show was from 1983 ?
There is little question that the Athens Lycabettus Theater shows took
place on 1983 Aug 30 and 1983 Aug 31. It is strange that even TD has used
the much bandied-about 1984 date (Dream Roots Collection booklet) and that
this show has been given so many possible dates in artwork, labeling, and
concert/bootleg lists.
As for being the 'first performance' of Poland, the Athens show cannot take
this credit. The track we now refer to as 'Poland' was first performed
during the 4 (5?) Japanese shows in June 1983.
The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first
performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'.
The introduction of 'Horizon', 'Barbakane' (the first movement of which is
a 1984 studio creation), 'Warsaw in the Sun' (the second movement of
Barbakane), and the 'Rarebird' encore all can be traced to the
Germany/Poland shows in November-December of which we seem to have
incomplete venue/date records.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus
>The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first
>performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'.
>
>The introduction of 'Horizon', 'Barbakane' (the first movement of which is
>a 1984 studio creation), 'Warsaw in the Sun' (the second movement of
>Barbakane), and the 'Rarebird' encore all can be traced to the
>Germany/Poland shows in November-December of which we seem to have
>incomplete venue/date records.
>
>-Morgan
Yes, I'm replying to my own message. To add some info, the second half of
Horizon DID premiere at the Athens shows.
-Morgan
np. 1983.08.30 Athens Lycabettus
p.s. Anyone notice that the videotape of this concert that's floating
around might be from a different show than the bootleg?
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 1969: Full length (!) End-Theme online ! UNDERGROUND
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Fred Yargui wrote:
> Hello again, Rainer !
> Thanx for the explanations.
> I think I will reserve one set. I can send you my CDR-list if you want.
> I can send you paypal or cash otherwise.
> The link to the full version is still ill :->
> And I prefer this music to the original electronic meditation :-)
> Cheers,
> Fred
Hi Fred!
Plase send your address.... I missed it and it was not in your
emails.
Rest (payment....) will follow...
Rainer
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From:
'Hilary Wright'
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:40
pm
Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus
Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for
30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group
seem to back these dates.
That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is
wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong
and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much
confusion over a concert date?
Chris, do you have a scan of the press cutting you mention?
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing
the first
> >performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'.
> >
> >The introduction of 'Horizon', 'Barbakane' (the first movement of
which is
> >a 1984 studio creation), 'Warsaw in the Sun' (the second movement of
> >Barbakane), and the 'Rarebird' encore all can be traced to the
> >Germany/Poland shows in November-December of which we seem to have
> >incomplete venue/date records.
> >
> >-Morgan
>
> Yes, I'm replying to my own message. To add some info, the second
half of
> Horizon DID premiere at the Athens shows.
>
> -Morgan
>
> np. 1983.08.30 Athens Lycabettus
> p.s. Anyone notice that the videotape of this concert that's floating
> around might be from a different show than the bootleg?
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus
Hi Hilary,
I think it's safe to go with 30 & 31 August 1983 as it seems to be the
consensus view. I don't have a scan of the press cutting in question, but
I'll try and get one done for you this week. Would anyone else be interested
in seeing it? If so, forgive my non-techiness, but how do I get it to you
all? Copy and paste it into a posting, or upload it to the yahoo group? Any
help would be appreciated!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Hilary Wright
To:
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus
> Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for
> 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group
> seem to back these dates.
>
> That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is
> wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong
> and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much
> confusion over a concert date?
>
> Chris, do you have a scan of the press cutting you mention?
>
> Hilary
>
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus
The first of the three (or four? Is Rare Bird actually part of Tangent?)
movements of Tangent can of course be heard during the 1982 UK tour. And I
think Rare Bird was the only part of the entire Poland set to survive for
the next set of concerts in 1986. .
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Morgan Feldon
To:
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:57 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus
> The Athens shows, however, do have the distinction of containing the first
> performances of all three movements of 'Tangent'.
>
>
> -Morgan
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent...
Hi!
Today I sent the next 17 UNDERGROUND sets to everybody who did a
reservation. All of them received an email about the instructions.
It`s the 'normal' set. The 'ltd. Edition' is gone, too.
If you are on 'the list' and you did not received an email, don`t
worry - you will get the set at the beginning of next week.
Stay tuned!
I sent 30 sets for the moment and the response is fancifully.
CU all!
Rainer
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From:
David Butler
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:11
pm
Subject: CDR's and trees
Okay group...Newsflash...My residence has changed,
thank God for small favors. Anyone who was going to
send me anything please forward it to this address
please...
David L. Butler
9 Laurel Place #8
San Rafael California 94901-2162
415-721-0484
Thank you....David
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 10:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new releases
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 13:47:56 +0100, Rainer Rutka wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 strat95@b... wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > I think I crawled from under the rock to late. Alpha Centauri has been
> > re-releases, and with an extra track? Other than the new Private Music set,
> > what else has been re-released with extra tracks?
> > Thanks, Neal
>
> Hi Neal!
>
> Yes, Sanctuary Records released (until now) two of the antique records
> by TD.
>
> Electronic Meditation
> and
> Alpha Centauri
>
> AC is enhanced with the bonus-track 'ULTIMA THULE, PART 1' in
> a paper slipcase with a 8 pages booklet including some photos
> from the AC years and all covers from Ultima Thule (from my
> homepage). Together with an essay written by Paul Russell.
> The sound quality is fine, but the music was not reprocessed.
> Sadly only Part 1 of Ultima is on the disk. Part 2 is missing again!
>
> It`s a nice set, but only for the real DIE-HARDs who are collecting
> everything.
>
> Electronic Meditation was released without an extra-track.
>
> More infos, pictures, tracklistings: www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk
> search for Artist: Tangerine Dream.
>
> Rainer
Hallo Rainer,
sind die neuen Sanctuary Re-Releases erneut 'remastered' oder ist die
Qualität exakt wie die von 1996? Steht davon im Booklet was?
Viele Grüsse
René (aus der CH)
--
' In front of the loudspeaker, everyone is equal '
From:
'Heiko Heerssen'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:58
am
Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND DoCD sets. Next 17 sets are sent...
> Today I sent the next 17 UNDERGROUND sets to everybody who did a
> reservation. All of them received an email about the instructions.
> It`s the 'normal' set. The 'ltd. Edition' is gone, too.
Rainer did a great job with 'Underground', however I wonder how he
managed to survive after seeing the entire film a couple of times. To
say it's a bit amateurish would be an undeserved compliment to the
film director..although, I really had a good laugh when Edgar was
trying to rob a bank by hiding his pistol behind a bunch of flowers.
And the Oscar goes to.. :-)
Regarding the music, it's really nothing special but nice to listen
to.
Heiko 'Please reactivate your Yahoo! Groups account' Heerssen (argh!!)
n.p.: Montreal 1977 - TT Vol.18
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:07
am
Subject: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth website
which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual edition. The
text is written in German language, but it also has some very nice
pictures which I haven't seen before.
http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:29
am
Subject: Interesting new poll!
Hi,
have a look at www.tangerinedream.org, they have a new poll which will
be of interest to those which live in the USA :-)
Heiko
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
Very interesting indeed. If there is need for an english
translation, I may do one over the weekend.
armin
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth website
> which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual edition. The
> text is written in German language, but it also has some very nice
> pictures which I haven't seen before.
>
> http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm
>
>
>
>
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From:
Falcon
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 1:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
At 11:07 AM 11/26/2002, you wrote:
>I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth website
>which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual edition. The
>text is written in German language, but it also has some very nice
>pictures which I haven't seen before.
>
>http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm
Interesting, we had a discussion recenctly, who played which part in a
concert. Now in that interview is clearly stated, you should NOT care
about, what musician played this or that part, just listen to the music.
@Armin Theissen :
Please do a translation, it would be greatly appreciated whithin the group
(I would also try to do one, but my english is not sufficient)
Ramon
From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
This was one of the most interesting articles about TD I've read in a
while. It probably comes quite close to expressing that TD was, in
its conception, not only about the music itself but also about the
interpersonal dynamics that gave rise to this completely new type of
sound.
Intriguing how Peter Baumann talks about pre-sets as rather limiting
to TD's music!
Dennis
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 10:07 am, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth
> website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual
> edition. The text is written in German language, but it also has
> some very nice pictures which I haven't seen before.
>
> http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm
>
>
>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
Hi,
I'm half through with the translation, but... boy, not all of
it, especially the intro, is easy to translate. Because there
is quite some funny vague blah in it... wonder whether our
digital gothic guy (P.S.) would have enough adjectives for that... ;-)
So don't expect good english from me with that. Will do the rest
'til the weekend comes.
cheers
armin
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> This was one of the most interesting articles about TD I've read in a
> while. It probably comes quite close to expressing that TD was, in
> its conception, not only about the music itself but also about the
> interpersonal dynamics that gave rise to this completely new type of
> sound.
>
> Intriguing how Peter Baumann talks about pre-sets as rather limiting
> to TD's music!
>
> Dennis
>
> On Tuesday 26 November 2002 10:07 am, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>>I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the classicsynth
>>website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt' magazine, 1976 annual
>>edition. The text is written in German language, but it also has
>>some very nice pictures which I haven't seen before.
>>
>>http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>>
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>>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>>
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>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
In a message dated 11/26/2002 4:18:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Armin.Theissen@s... writes:
> Very interesting indeed. If there is need for an english
> translation, I may do one over the weekend.
>
> armin
>
*Yes, that would be much appreciated if you don't mind.
Poly
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
On looking at the picture that reminds me... anyone have an insight into what
that 'tripod' thingy is on top of Franke's modular? I've wondered about
that... assumed it was some sort of 'sculpture'
Poly
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From:
'Hilary Wright'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:30
pm
Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus
Hi Chris,
I suggest you load it up to the list under files, then its available
to anyone interested. Joe does this give a problem?
Hilary
--- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote:
> Hi Hilary,
>
> I think it's safe to go with 30 & 31 August 1983 as it seems to be the
> consensus view. I don't have a scan of the press cutting in
question, but
> I'll try and get one done for you this week. Would anyone else be
interested
> in seeing it? If so, forgive my non-techiness, but how do I get it
to you
> all? Copy and paste it into a posting, or upload it to the yahoo
group? Any
> help would be appreciated!
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hilary Wright
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:40 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Athens Lycabettus
>
>
> > Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for
> > 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group
> > seem to back these dates.
> >
> > That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is
> > wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong
> > and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much
> > confusion over a concert date?
> >
> > Chris, do you have a scan of the press cutting you mention?
> >
> > Hilary
> >
> >
From:
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Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:38
pm
Subject: 3 US cities survey
I picked L.A.--would rather have chosen San Francisco.
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
Looks great!
And seeing those pics makes me longing for a video/dvd
of these times...I would even buy it if it were a
black/white video.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language,
> nice pictures)
>
>
> I found a very interesting article (5 pages) on the
> classicsynth website which was taken from the 'Fachblatt'
> magazine, 1976 annual edition. The text is written in German
> language, but it also has some very nice pictures which I
> haven't seen before.
>
http://www.classicsynth.de/fachblatt/76_12/interview_td_1_5.htm
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
Isn't it the tripod from Encore?
I think it's some sort of light for the modulars.
Anyone noticed the amount of sequencers Edgar used!
I want 2 of those...
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:08 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
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> language, nice pictures)
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>
> On looking at the picture that reminds me... anyone have an
> insight into what
> that 'tripod' thingy is on top of Franke's modular? I've
> wondered about
> that... assumed it was some sort of 'sculpture'
> Poly
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:23
pm
Subject: off topic: mike oldfield
I heard Tubular Bells many years ago and liked it.
Earlier this year I saw Ommadawn on Amazon.ca for
cdn$6.99 so I bought it and it has been enjoying a
lot of time on the cd player! The only other Mike
Oldfield piece I know is that Moonlight Shadow song!
So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs
and lows of Mike Oldfield?
Looking forward to your opinions :-)
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:40
pm
Subject: Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion'
in another place.
Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not have any
track listings!
Paulus.d
Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks.
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From:
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Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:40
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
It has gone quiet!!!!!!
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Dryden'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM
Subject: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
> I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion'
> in another place.
> Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not
have any track listings!
>
> Paulus.d
> Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks.
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From:
Olav Neander
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield
Jonathan Holt schrieb:
>So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs
>and lows of Mike Oldfield?
>
'Amarok' is one of the greatest, you should also try 'Hergest Ridge' if
you like TB and Ommadawn.
'Earth Moving' is the worst one, in my opinion :-)
...
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 7:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield
Olav Neander wrote:
>
> 'Amarok' is one of the greatest, you should also try 'Hergest Ridge' if
> you like TB and Ommadawn.
I second that and I suggest also 'The Songs of Distant Earth'. More
recently Mike Oldfield surprised me again with 'Guitars', an album where
all sounds, including drum sounds, were generated from live guitars,
midi guitars or individual guitar samples (according to the booklet).
It's really amazing what he can do with guitars!
Antonio Nunes
np: TT12 Croydon 1982
From:
'rbicon'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:14
am
Subject: The 2002 pool is open
Hello, bonjour, to every EM fan. This year i'm trying to create a
pool. This one is different. The principal purpose is to guide people
through the amazing world of electronic music. Participing at this
pool is helping EM artists selling their products, and helping buyers
in their choices of bying EM artists products
Sorry for my English, i'm usually speaking French :)
This pool contains 7 categories;
1-Best EM CD
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3-Best song
4-Best newcomers
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So please participe and send your votes at;
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You can view the progress of the pool at;
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From:
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Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:00
am
Subject: Jon Wade - please contact me re Classic Tree
I'm Jon's branch for the Classic Tree. I sent a message to my leaves
today and the email bounced from his email account.
Jon, please get in touch with me with your valid email address so we
can set something up so I can get you a copy of the SHN discs for the
Classic Tree.
Thanks,
Rich Maggio
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield
--- Jonathan Holt wrote:
> I heard Tubular Bells many years ago and liked it.
> Earlier this year I saw Ommadawn on Amazon.ca for
> cdn$6.99 so I bought it and it has been enjoying a
> lot of time on the cd player! The only other Mike
> Oldfield piece I know is that Moonlight Shadow song!
>
> So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs
> and lows of Mike Oldfield?
>
> Looking forward to your opinions :-)
>
> jonnyboy.
Here's few...
Amarok is a 60 minute piece which is full of themes
and samples but not too many synths. My rating: 4½/5
Tubular Bells 2 is a new version from the original.
Not my favourite but it's good music. My rating: 3/5
Tubular Bells 3 is kinda a techno-version from the
original. This one has so many new ideas and fresh
sound that I recommend. My rating: 4½/5
The Songs Of Distant Earth is full of new agey stuff,
but I like it. My rating: 3½/5
Exposed contains live-version from the albums
Incantations and TB. Great album. TB is much better
here. My rating: 4/5
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:46
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1582
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:40:08 -0000
> From: 'Hilary Wright'
> Subject: Re: Athens Lycabettus
>
> Well, thanks for all the feedback on this one. I'm going to go for
> 30th and 31st Aug 1983 until I find different, as most of the group
> seem to back these dates.
>
> That means, that the sleeve of the concert recording stating 1982 is
> wrong, that the DVD (not the cover - the contents) available is wrong
> and that certain fan sites are wrong. So why is there so much
> confusion over a concert date?
Can we be sure that it is actually TD who are playing? ;-)
Daniel
From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 4:04 pm, Armin Theissen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm half through with the translation, but... boy, not all of
> it, especially the intro, is easy to translate. Because there
> is quite some funny vague blah in it... wonder whether our
> digital gothic guy (P.S.) would have enough adjectives for that...
> ;-)
I thought the language was great - very thoughtful and interesting,
and none of the superficial dullness of far too many interviews. I
especially liked the interviewer's refusal to accept Peter's
statement that people who don't understand TD should just go and
listen to something else.
I agree with you about the difficulty involved in the translation,
though. I'm sure you'll do a far better job than I could, but should
you need any suggestions for specific paragraphs, just contact me
off-list.
Dennis
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
Hi,
my main problem with diffuse language in that interview is
actually not the interview itself but the intro by Ingeborg
Schober. But I learn to appreciate the job of professional
translators (I'm certainly not)
I'm almost through, but need to try to fine tune a bit.
a.
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 November 2002 4:04 pm, Armin Theissen wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm half through with the translation, but... boy, not all of
>>it, especially the intro, is easy to translate. Because there
>>is quite some funny vague blah in it... wonder whether our
>>digital gothic guy (P.S.) would have enough adjectives for that...
>>;-)
>>
>
> I thought the language was great - very thoughtful and interesting,
> and none of the superficial dullness of far too many interviews. I
> especially liked the interviewer's refusal to accept Peter's
> statement that people who don't understand TD should just go and
> listen to something else.
>
> I agree with you about the difficulty involved in the translation,
> though. I'm sure you'll do a far better job than I could, but should
> you need any suggestions for specific paragraphs, just contact me
> off-list.
>
> Dennis
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
>I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion'
>in another place.
>Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not have
>any track listings!
>
>Paulus.d
Could you please repeat that...?
I remember something about Thermal Inversion sounding strange a while back,
but so what did you find (a similar theme, a similar piece or what?) and
where? If you just have some compilation that lacks track listings, how do
you know it's Johannes Schmoelling?
John Vertical
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oe, as in Froese?
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From:
'Jeff Misner'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: Anyone heard of the eBay item????
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925290960
I've never heard of this and it's not on Klaus' site. Anyone know
what the deal is???
---Jeff
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: TD interview from 1976 - english translation
Hi,
here is what I made out of the german interview. If some passages of
the interview sounds odd, then this is not only because of my
translation but possibly also because of the original text...
feel free to correct grammar glitches etc.
armin
Translation from german - not always easy because of - in my opinion -
diffuse phrases in the original. Also to note: When a musician, listener,
or person in general is referred to by the use of male pronouns ('he'),
then this is so in the german original but not due to my translation.
Political correctness wasn't such a big issue in the 70s...
armin
---
Tangerine Dream - Interview 1976
First nobody really knew what to do with it: synthesizer, sequencer,
electronic keyboards, random generatores and oscillators. Still today
not everybody has a clear grasp of it, but nevertheless electronic
music has become more understandable. While the sound scapes of
Stockhausen had been investigated for geometric and mathematical
structures in order to offer an attempt to understand such
associations, it is the achievement of other german musicians to
present electronically created music in such a way that - despite
atonality and sawtooth structures - emotional relations can be found.
Maybe the music of the future will emerge out of this electronic
sound universe - who knows. The only thing clear is that there are
hardly areas which already today cannot exlude electronics without
loosing quality and expressional value.
At the same time it gets harder and harder to judge the value
such music. What criterea do apply? What methods to use to assess
this music, how to relate it to the listener, while not even those
who master it can completely control its infinite possibilities?
Or should we just not ask question it?
No, certainly not. You can just let yourself go with the acustic
experience of spontaneous listening, even let yourself motivate
emotionally. And since it is like that, questions have to be
asked.
But here opinions go apart. Here starts the problem. How do you confront
music coming out of synthesizers, when your relation to a synthesizer
is the same like to, say, your vacuum cleaner? How do you confront music
coming out of synthesizers when you like it just because of the purity
of its sine waves? How do you confront music coming out of synthesizers
when random generators and oscillators produce sounds which play the
musician? How do you confront this unity of man and machine in which
at one time the man and at the other time the machine is the subject?
This still works out fairly well when there is some kind of support -
like when a synthesizer musician is accompanied by a singer or 'ordinary'
instrumentalist. Also a single synth musician can still be understood
relatively clear, and trained listeners can more and more understand
this dialog which is in fact a self conversation between man and machine.
But you loose overview over this music when, like in the case of Tangerine
Dream, it is the product of three individual personalities, in particular,
when each of this personalities is in a dialog with itself, with the others,
and with the synth. Then everything turns into a complex and multi-layered
unity. Then the all-embracing output of three brains and three bodies
sounds stereophonically with one tongue out of the P.A. towers.
However, in all its warmth and perfect rythmic, hovering and swelling
emotional
sound scapes which then again loose themselves in eternity, this music is
without compromise. Maybe even with less compromise than the hardest rock.
On another level, but absolutely without compromise. No other music demands
such a total openness like this one.
Ingeborg Schober
Tonal insights flow out of the speakers, permeate the non-resisting
listener, and guide him. The experiences of the listener create space-
and time images, only put alive by the music. Nothing happens
in a predetermined way. There are no fixpoints, nothing you could grab.
The conversation between musician and listener takes place on a level
of compassionate trust, and generally people say: it was beautiful.
Tangerine Dream: three technical electronic universes in blueish
non-terrestrial light. Tangerine Dream: three guys - Christoph Franke,
Edgar Froese, and Peter Baumann, knob-turning and calibrating this
universe. Tangerine Dream: Sound, electronic, unity made out of three.
MUSIC - WHAT ELSE?
An interview with Peter Baumann
by Merlin W. Frank
Music comes out of the P.A. towers, and in contrast to the sound
scapes of other bands it is impossible to map individual instrumental
parts to a musician. Also conspicuous is that there is no separate mixer.
All music goes direcly from the instruments into the P.A..
'How did you solve this problem - after all there are three different
units which are supposed to come together to a harmonic music', I asked
Peter Baumann.
TD: Acutally, our sound mixes itself, I would almost say. Since everybody
has his own mixer, we have to adjust ourselves to each other so that you
can hear everybody properly. This way the sound balances itself organically.
A forth person mixing our sound would certainly result in a different
musical picture.
FB: Does that mean that you can influence the others with your mix? Roughly
spoken, that you are able to subdue the music of the others?
TD: Not quite that directly. I can of course play lower or louder, and
this way change the actual ratio of the individual volumes, but I cannot
directly influence whether the one of the other plays lower. Only when
I play, for instance, lower, it appears as if the others play louder.
FB: But doesn't this require that everybody of you can do with his
instruments what he pleases, and that he is not forced to pipe his
effects through the other's mixer and loops. Your system is
completly dependent on how you balance each other on musical positions.
For instance, it is up to you whether you let Edgar or Christoph dominate,
or whether they let you dominate.
TD: Yes, as simple as that. I believe that we actually could not play in
another way. For sure also the dynamics of our playing comes from this
mix.
FB: But that entails quite a degree of mutual tolerance, because I cannot
imagine that it would be possible to do your music without intensive
mutual tolerance and understanding, since you're improvising a lot.
It depends on mutual understanding who is doing the lead part, just like
with the mixer positions, whether this or the other sound dominates.
Do I see this correctly, or are your pieces pre-programmed to a degree
that you know in advance what parts are coming?
TD: We haven't pre-programmed anything. Everything is improvised. We don't
even have any definete theme. Of course, sometimes certain elements
appear again and again on different concerts, but only because we eventually
identify stronger with such elements. In improvisations you just play
those parts you like best more often.
FB: So you're turning each other on. When Edgar plays guitar, or
Christoph brings aggressive sequences into the game, your answer
comes straight out of your imagination. And its the same the other way
round?
TD: Yes, sure. You can say that our music is based on that kind of
interaction.
A lot of factors enter the game, mostly very simple things, which
influence the mood of the piece very quickly. When, for instance, Edgar
plays the guitar undistorted, or generally when timbres are changed, you
will
be influenced by that, of course. You will play totally different then, so
you can say that our music is a very spontaneous music. It is simply like
that. Depending on how the others feel, they may rather react on
something aggressive, or they add a counter point. The balance is
shifted all the time.
THE SHOW
FB: I just want to tell you a couple of things. I mixed a bit with the
crowd and listened to their reactions last evening after the
truly outstanding concert in the Philipshalle in Duesseldorf.
The critics were generally positive, but there have been remarks on and on
about the music being unaccessible. Once I heard somebody saying: 'I just
understand Klaus Schulze's Music much better'. What to you think of that?
TD: Well, I think that when somebody understands Klaus Schulze's music
better, then he should listen to Schulze. I would not go to a concert where
I don't understand the music. Giving a spontaneous answer... hm, what does
it actually mean to understand music?
FB: Maybe it is what is generally expressed as 'delivering the message'?
TD: OK, then they should just listen to something else. I cannot comment
more on this.
FB: I think you make it yourself a bit too easy here. When I understand
complete passages of your music, and then comes a sudden change which I
cannot follow anymore, then this does not mean that I would give up on your
music. I still try to proceed. I try to get access to these parts. I don't
think it is right to simply say that I will listen to something else.
But maybe the difficulty lies not in your music but more in the way you
present the music on stage.
People are simply used to the fact that they can map each instrument to
a musician. For instance, I coulnd't imagine a Santana concert in which
I could not figure out who is playing what. In your case, each sound,
except from the guitar, could come from anybody. The listener cannot
distinguish whether the rythms come out of your synthi or this
floating chords from Edgar and the portamento from Chris. He cannot
follow the whole build-up - the dialog between you. What reaches his
ears does come from these three people, but acustically out of only
one single source which can not be differentiated.
Maybe it is this discrepancy which makes an understanding of the music
more difficult for the listener.
TD: Yes, sure thats right. People can't tell what is coming from whom.
But in the end I think this is good, and thats why we don't make any
show on stage. We just try to put the music in front. And if you can
concentrate on the music, then it is of course easier to figure out the
music itself, which is not the case when you get a big show delivered.
With a show the music may too easily become the secondary item, and
of course we want to avoid that.
FB: I don't mean that you should develop some stage show. What I wanted
to bring into discussion is that people should get a chance to distinguish
- maybe with different sound sources - who is currently playing what. That
would certainly make the music more accessible.
TD: Good thought, but the people shouldn't ask how the music is created.
They shouldn't ask themselves what's coming now, they should just listen
and maybe identify themselves with this or the other bit. Since there are
three making the music, our music becomes much more complex, and certainly
sometimes a great deal of concentration is neccessary to get to the music.
FB: So on stage you play without any predetermined concept. You don't
agree upon what you play in advance. But when you record your albums,
do you then again follow your improvisations, or do you try to express
certain themes?
IMPROVISTAION 'UEBER ALLES'
TD: We do have our ideas when we make a record. We then play them, record
them on tape, and if we like them, we develop them for an album. We then
also take out parts we didn't like and add other parts. Once the base of
the piece is ok, we do some overdubs and other details and in a sense
consolidate the complete statement. We compress individual statements
and of course leave out a lot of secondary details, which
mostly re-emerges again on stage. Generally a concert is always broader
than a record.
FB: Now it could be and most certainly is so that you worked out parts
for your records which you cannot reproduce that easily on stage. Do you
have certain pre-sets for that or have you found some other solution?
TD: In the beginning we investigated pre-sets. But we were never really
satisfied with that. After some consideration we realised that
such pre-fabricated sound patterns are only very disturbing and restricting.
Now we have the possibility to change, broaden or also abruptly end our
pieces very spontaneously. But you're almost absolutely stuck with one
direction when you have a tape running along with presets. Its like
playing with handcuffs.
FB: But the freedom not to need presets comes only from the fact that you
are three people on stage, so you have more possibilities to do
things simultaneously.
TD: Of course. This is a big advantage, although at the same time you also
have to accept certain disadvantages. You can never let your own ego
go completely, because you are always forced - of you have to force
yourself -
to respect the others. But out of this mutual respect free spaces emerge
which you can use for yourself. When two realise that the third one is in
full swing, then they will give him the necessary space to deliver his
solo. Maybe this is also the source of a certain organic dynamics,
because everybody can always dominate a piece, while he is also ready
to let others dominate.
FB: Always improvistaion, always mutial encouragement and respect,
always playing without predetermined structures and themes - that means:
your concerts cannot be repeated, they are not fixed and therefore,
like happenings - spontaneous events. It is always an expression of
your current mood.
But you cannot go on stange and make music out of every possible mood.
Maybe you can do this as a reproducing musician, maybe as a playback
singer, but can you do this also when you improvise?
TD: Surely you cannot go on stage out of every possible mood, but we have
our bag of tricks to get ourselves into the mood. We know how to
neutralise situations before a concert, we know which passages make it
easier for us to concentrate on the music, and in the end our feeling
emerges pretty fast. When we then reach a base on which we, the
audience and our music come together, then conditions are best.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:14
pm
Subject: Re: TD interview from 1976 (German language, nice pictures)
>translation
you know--you should probably not post the translation--you might get in
trouble with the copyright owners
just kidding!
[big grin]
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Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:29
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
Hello all,
Yahoo's been bouncing my emails!!!!
Goner take some time to get 'into' things again!!!
Paulus.d
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> It has gone quiet!!!!!!
> Paulus.d
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> Subject: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
>
>
> > I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion'
> > in another place.
> > Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not
> have any track listings!
> >
> > Paulus.d
> > Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks.
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From:
'Peter'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Re: off topic: mike oldfield
Hey jonnyboy,
I like most of Oldfields LP's from the seventies
-Tubular Bells
-Hergest Ridge
-Ommadawn
-Platinum
also Incantations has its nice parts (I like part two, the best)
From the early 8O's, I like to recommend
-Q.E.2
and
-Five Miles Out
The later LP's from the 80s are a bit too 'poppy' for my opinion.
From the 90s, I don't know much from Oldfield.
I know Tubular Bells II. , but don't like it much.
Cheers
PETE
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> I heard Tubular Bells many years ago and liked it.
> Earlier this year I saw Ommadawn on Amazon.ca for
> cdn$6.99 so I bought it and it has been enjoying a
> lot of time on the cd player! The only other Mike
> Oldfield piece I know is that Moonlight Shadow song!
>
> So, what should I purchase next? What are the highs
> and lows of Mike Oldfield?
>
> Looking forward to your opinions :-)
>
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
Armin, thanks for the translation. It got me to
thinking about TDs process of creating music over the
years. Given current works like Inferno could one
safely say that this is composed vs. improvised?
Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone
from an improvisational method to a more composed
method?
With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s
I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting
of the materials. Certainly the software I used back
then with the Amiga was not very good at changes on
the fly, I'm sure the Atari was not much different.
In a side note, oddly, this is starting to come full
circle a bit with the new soft synth controllers
(knobs are back!) and software like Ableton Live etc.
where there is greater real time control. Could the
improv methods PB mentions in this interview work
again?
DanD
--- Armin Theissen wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> here is what I made out of the german interview. If
> some passages of
> the interview sounds odd, then this is not only
> because of my
> translation but possibly also because of the
> original text...
>
> feel free to correct grammar glitches etc.
>
> armin
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
they seem to like to pick on everyone huh?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Dryden'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
> Hello all,
> Yahoo's been bouncing my emails!!!!
> Goner take some time to get 'into' things again!!!
>
> Paulus.d
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Paul Dryden'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
>
>
> > It has gone quiet!!!!!!
> > Paulus.d
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Paul Dryden'
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:40 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Gone Quiet hasn't it!!!!
> >
> >
> > > I think I found that strange piece of 'Thermal Inversion'
> > > in another place.
> > > Johannes Schmoelling nicked it!, but my 'greatest hits' compo does not
> > have any track listings!
> > >
> > > Paulus.d
> > > Ps this is also a test, iam getting no mail from yahoo, me thinks.
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
I like recording all the sysex messages myself. Go back later to edit.
Similar to what one would do on the fly with a HD recorded or tape. I use
Sonar XL. The edit back when I find a sequence worth while keeping.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dan Downey'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
> Armin, thanks for the translation. It got me to
> thinking about TDs process of creating music over the
> years. Given current works like Inferno could one
> safely say that this is composed vs. improvised?
>
> Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone
> from an improvisational method to a more composed
> method?
>
> With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s
> I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting
> of the materials. Certainly the software I used back
> then with the Amiga was not very good at changes on
> the fly, I'm sure the Atari was not much different.
>
> In a side note, oddly, this is starting to come full
> circle a bit with the new soft synth controllers
> (knobs are back!) and software like Ableton Live etc.
> where there is greater real time control. Could the
> improv methods PB mentions in this interview work
> again?
>
> DanD
>
> --- Armin Theissen wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > here is what I made out of the german interview. If
> > some passages of
> > the interview sounds odd, then this is not only
> > because of my
> > translation but possibly also because of the
> > original text...
> >
> > feel free to correct grammar glitches etc.
> >
> > armin
> >
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:10
pm
Subject: Zomba Part of BMG
I just came across this news release about BMG acquiring Zomba.
I wonder if this will create some new TD re-issues of such classic CDs as
Poland, Le Parc and Underwater Sunlight?
Below is an excerpt of news release:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
BERTELSMANN COMPLETES ZOMBA ACQUISITION
New York, NY - November 26, 2002 - Bertelsmann AG and the Zomba Music Group
today announced the completion of the acquisition of Zomba by BMG,
Bertelsmann's music division. This ends a process that Zomba started in June
this year by exercising its put option for BMG to acquire it.
The purchase price, as adjusted according to the mechanism provided for in
the original agreement entered into in 1991, was 2.740 billion USD.
Clive Calder, Zomba's Chairman and CEO, has resigned today as Chairman and
CEO of the Zomba Music Group but will remain on a part time basis in an
advisory role.
BMG is one of the world's top music companies, with music publishing and
records operations in 42 countries around the world. BMG record labels such
as Arista, RCA and J Records, are home to stars such as Christina Aguilera,
Dido, Whitney Houston, Alan Jackson, Alicia Keys, Pink and Carlos Santana.
Over the last 20 years, Zomba has become the largest independent music
business in the industry. The acquisition of Zomba strengthens BMG's global
position in recorded music and music publishing. The combined BMG and Jive /
Zomba will have one of the largest rosters of global superstars, adding
Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, and Britney Spears, among others, to the BMG
lineup. The acquisition also makes BMG the world's 3rd largest music
publisher, and a leader in the growing field of contemporary Christian and
Gospel music.
Gunter Thielen, Chairman and CEO of Bertelsmann AG, said: 'This acquisition
comes at a time of renewed stability and success at BMG. We expect that
Zomba combined with BMG will further elevate Bertelsmann's stature in the
worldwide music industry.'
Rolf Schmidt-Holtz, Chairman and CEO of BMG, said: 'I am happy to welcome
all of Zomba's talented employees, artists, and songwriters to the BMG
family. We are fortunate to have Clive Calder as an advisor because his
enormous skills, talents, and creativity will be a tremendous asset.'
Clive Calder said: 'The completion of this transaction is the natural
culmination of a successful business relationship between Zomba and BMG that
goes back 12 years. On a personal level, I look forward to my new advisory
role to Zomba and its new owners under the leadership of Chairman and CEO,
Rolf Schmidt-Holtz.'
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anyone heard of the eBay item????
Yes, Klaus plays drums on only 1 track. This is not a Klaus Schulze
release.
Very strange and possibly disturbing music from 1974.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Misner
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:03 PM
Subject: [tadream] Anyone heard of the eBay item????
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925290960
>
>
> I've never heard of this and it's not on Klaus' site. Anyone know
> what the deal is???
>
>
> ---Jeff
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:33
pm
Subject: French Tangerine Dream
I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr website.
The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube
Which soundtrack can this be?
Also, I wonder if anyone can help me find a few French items:
- Rubycon/Ricochet 2 CD release on Virgin France
- Any French Baumann 7' singles except 'Biking up the Strand'.
Vic
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
From: Dan Downey [mailto:djambient@y...]
Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone
from an improvisational method to a more composed
method?
Since they didn't tour in 1979, it's hard to say. But I'd guess
1979-1980, especially with the introduction of Schmoelling. In the
_Cyclone_ tour (and even in 1977 North American tour), there were the
beginnings of a more defined set of music, but there still was a lot of
improvisation going on. _Force Majeure_ is a fairly well-composed
album, but the interview mentions the fact that they treated albums and
concerts very differently.
- jim
From:
Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 5:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic: mike oldfield
I don't have a lot to add to this, other than, 'I agree with what
everyone else said.' In order:
_Amarok_ -- definitely, very much like a sequel to _Ommadawn_, to
me.
_Incantations_ -- excellent! One of my favourites. I would
recommend it before _HR_, actually.
_Platinum_
_The Songs Of Distant Earth_ -- more contemporary and groovy than
the others, reminds me of a group, Delerium.
_QE2_ -- shorter tracks, but no less delightful in his typical
upbeat somewhat-Celtic multi-instrumentalist styles, plus a
great Abba cover ('Arrival'). Blue Man Group kind of reminds
me of this album. Lots of percussion, mostly electronic, but
well produced (doesn't sound like a bunch of drum machines,
like most of contemporary music does).
_Exposed_ -- a great live album of his.
_Hergest Ridge_ -- the 'inbetweeny' between _TB_ and _O_. A little
quieter, but should fit right in. More 'orchestral' sounding than
the others. If in the right mood, transcendent.
If you don't mind vocals, I would also second _Five Miles Out_ --
simply a perfect album from beginning to end; all over the place
stylistically -- and recommend _Crises_.
One of my favourite artists, after Tangerine Dream of course. You
may also want to check out Vangelis, if you are so open-minded.
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:02
am
Subject: new Johannes Schmoelling CD
Just had a look at the Johannes Schmoelling website and was delighted to
see that it has been updated two days ago, Johannes will soon release a
new CD called 'Laufen' which contains music from a radio play. I have no
idea about what the music will sound like, but anyway..you can order
your copy at the following URL: 'http://www.johannesschmoelling.de'
(then click on 'CD shop')
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:17
am
Subject: Nice poster of Froese/Franke/Hoenig
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925836404
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 9:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
Hi,
I remember this from an interview with Edgar somewhere sometime.
He said that they gradually went from totally improvised to totally
composed during the 80s. Which was a) technologically necessary
first, since in the 70s it just took time to change sound completely on
these non-programmable synths, while in the early 80s with patch
programming etc etc you could wildly change sounds within seconds and
some degree of planning was necessary to avoid a concert turning into a
mess; and b) it was simply their desire to compose, may it be just for a
change. So in the meantime each single note is composed.
armin
Dan Downey wrote:
> Armin, thanks for the translation. It got me to
> thinking about TDs process of creating music over the
> years. Given current works like Inferno could one
> safely say that this is composed vs. improvised?
>
> Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone
> from an improvisational method to a more composed
> method?
>
> With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s
> I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting
> of the materials. Certainly the software I used back
> then with the Amiga was not very good at changes on
> the fly, I'm sure the Atari was not much different.
>
> In a side note, oddly, this is starting to come full
> circle a bit with the new soft synth controllers
> (knobs are back!) and software like Ableton Live etc.
> where there is greater real time control. Could the
> improv methods PB mentions in this interview work
> again?
>
> DanD
>
> --- Armin Theissen wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > here is what I made out of the german interview. If
> > some passages of
> > the interview sounds odd, then this is not only
> > because of my
> > translation but possibly also because of the
> > original text...
> >
> > feel free to correct grammar glitches etc.
> >
> > armin
> >
>
> =====
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> www.ambientissue.com
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 9:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream
>I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr
>website.
>The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube
>Which soundtrack can this be?
I'd guess it's Deadly Care... it says something about 1992 - release date, I
suppose?
just guessing though.
John Vertical
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Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:24
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Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream
It's near dark.
Thomas.
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>De: 'John Vertical'
>Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:36:58 +0200
>Sujet: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream
>
>>I came across this strange French TD title today on the www.fnac.fr
>>website.
>>The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube
>>Which soundtrack can this be?
>
>
>I'd guess it's Deadly Care... it says something about 1992 - release date, I
>suppose?
>
>just guessing though.
>
>John Vertical
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From:
'Yanick Vigneault'
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream
Available in DVD!
Aux frontières de l'aube (Near dark)
by Kathryn Bigelow
import: Canada
DVD Zone 1
NTSC
Go to www.fnac.fr in the engine search under the word 'Recherche'
copie-paste : Aux frontières de l'aube
Thank you Thomas!
--- In tadream@y..., thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
> It's near dark.
>
>
> Thomas.
>
> ----Message réexpédié----
> >A: tadream@y...
> >De: 'John Vertical'
> >Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:36:58 +0200
> >Sujet: Re: [tadream] French Tangerine Dream
> >
> >>I came across this strange French TD title today on the
www.fnac.fr
> >>website.
> >>The title is: Aux frontères de l'aube
> >>Which soundtrack can this be?
> >
> >
> >I'd guess it's Deadly Care... it says something about 1992 -
release date, I
> >suppose?
> >
> >just guessing though.
> >
> >John Vertical
From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: Code III, Planet of Man
Yea,
This is an old album by Manfred Schunke, Ed Key, Klaus Schulze. It's trippy
acid music, with not a whole lot of drumming on it, so Klaus is not a big
part of it probably. But it has a lot of wierdness about it, so Klaus could
have had something to do with that. I would say it came out in the mid 70's
or earlier. The CD is of descent quality on a Korean record label called
Won-Sin, I'm pretty sure music is obtained in an illegal fashion. This is
the same label that released Aphrica and KDM was not happy about that at all.
This CD can be obtained at Groove Records for much cheaper than this one on
eBay.
Martyn
tadream@y...: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:03:08 -0000
From: 'Jeff Misner'
Subject: Anyone heard of the eBay item????
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925290960
I've never heard of this and it's not on Klaus' site. Anyone know
what the deal is???
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Marc Dodsworth
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:37
am
Subject: Antarktis piano solo
Hi
Been listening to Antarkis and have decided my favourite bit is the
piano solo.
Problem is that I can't quite place all the tracks references. I get
the two obvious ones (Monolight and Quichotte) but what are the rest?
Zen Garden comes to mind but the others I've heard but can't place.
Marc
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:41
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Antarktis piano solo
Hey, Marc! I've heard:
'Ricochet Part Two'
'Alchemy of the Heart'
'Song of the Whale Pt. 2'
'Tiergarten'
And then there's one unreleased track from _Canyon Dreams_ that's
referenced, too.
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Dodsworth [mailto:marcd@i...]
Been listening to Antarkis and have decided my favourite bit is the
piano solo.
Problem is that I can't quite place all the tracks references. I get
the two obvious ones (Monolight and Quichotte) but what are the rest?
Zen Garden comes to mind but the others I've heard but can't place.
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Antarktis piano solo
Hi Marc
Yes this is a very cool piano piece. I don't remember all the TD parts, but
there certainly are echoes of Ricochet, Quichotte, To Dusk, Tiergarten and
others and mixed with some classical music which I cannot name...
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Dodsworth
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Antarktis piano solo
Date: Fri Nov 29 11:37:08 HKT 2002
Hi
Been listening to Antarkis and have decided my favourite bit is the
piano solo.
Problem is that I can't quite place all the tracks references. I get
the two obvious ones (Monolight and Quichotte) but what are the rest?
Zen Garden comes to mind but the others I've heard but can't place.
Marc
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: Old Question of a Classic nature
Have the Classic Tree recordings been enhanced in any way, compared to
existing versions?
/Olle
From:
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 4:24
pm
Subject: Vacation
To all my friends on all of my lists,
I will be on vacation in the mountains of North Carolina beginning today
through Saturday, Nov 7th.
All trades and such will be completed when I return.
Peace
Neal
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Question of a Classic nature
From:
> Have the Classic Tree recordings been enhanced in any way, compared to
> existing versions?
No, the copies in the Tree are identical to those already circulating, except
for the Berlin ICC volume which originally had the first part of the second set
on the end of the first disc. I've merged that back onto the second disc where
it belongs.
Maff
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:49
pm
Subject: Classic Tree Covers
For those of you recieving the Redbook versions of the CT, you can now download
the covers here:
www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/ct/index.htm
The front and back covers are contained in a zip file for each volume.
Maff
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From:
Mr Paul Dryden
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:19
pm
Subject: Similarities
Some of you may remember I said once that TT2 vol 14 'Thermal Inversion'
had a theme I recognised from somewhere else, Guess what? I found the
track it reminded me of......
Johannes Schmoelling's Ice Walk! I dont know what album this is from(
guess-White Out?)
You'll correct me if I'm wrong!
Also , why does 'Miracle Mile' track 'Final Statement' sound like Chris
Franke's 'Requiem' theme from Babylon 5?
Paulus.d
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From:
'Colin Jouxson'
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:35
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort
and time put into the above subject,without people like him we would
never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
absolute TD diamond.
Many Thanks
Colin South Wales UK
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Question of a Classic nature
Have the tree recordings begun to go out yet? I've
emailed my branch and not heard anything back in over
a month...
jonnyboy
--- Matthew Sawyer
wrote:
> From:
>
> > Have the Classic Tree recordings been enhanced in
> any way, compared to
> > existing versions?
>
>
> No, the copies in the Tree are identical to those
> already circulating, except
> for the Berlin ICC volume which originally had the
> first part of the second set
> on the end of the first disc. I've merged that back
> onto the second disc where
> it belongs.
>
>
> Maff
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 12:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Question of a Classic nature
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
> Have the tree recordings begun to go out yet? I've
> emailed my branch and not heard anything back in over
> a month...
All copies have been mailed so the main branches on level 1 of the tree should
have their copies now or during the next few days. E-mail your branch again and
ask what arrangements they would like to make.
Maff
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 1:07
am
Subject: Looking for 3 TD concert recordings...
I can't remember if asking directly for a trade is actually allowed in the group
at the moment, but with all the Trees in operation I can't imagine why it
wouldn't be, so...
I'm looking for CDR's of the following three TD concerts:
6/11/80 Derby
2/11/80 Newcastle
23/3/78 Newcastle
If anyone has any or all of these and would like to do a trade, feel free to
contact me. CDR copies only please, nothing MP3-sourced. My list is at
www.tangent.da.ru
Cheers,
Maff
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Similarities
>Also , why does 'Miracle Mile' track 'Final Statement' sound like Chris
>Franke's 'Requiem' theme from Babylon 5?
>Paulus.d
I know a Mac game (from 1992-93) called Jetpack which uses 'In Julie's Eyes'
as one of the background musics. There might be others copied, too, but I've
only heard the realaudio excerpts on the official TD website.
Mac users can check it out at
http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=179&Page=2
John Vertical
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 3:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Similarities
At 10:02 AM 11/30/2002, you wrote:
> >Also , why does 'Miracle Mile' track 'Final Statement' sound like Chris
> >Franke's 'Requiem' theme from Babylon 5?
> >Paulus.d
>
>
>I know a Mac game (from 1992-93) called Jetpack which uses 'In Julie's Eyes'
>as one of the background musics. There might be others copied, too, but I've
>only heard the realaudio excerpts on the official TD website.
>
>Mac users can check it out at
>http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=179&Page=2
There's an old C64 game called 'The last Ninja 2'. It uses White Eagle and
the first few minutes of Alchemy of the heart from Tyger. You can dorwnload
this one for free from any of the many C64 emulator + game sites on the web.
Ramon
From:
'gkopuy'
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 3:56
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
Hi Colin,
Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy
to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of
recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
Kind regards,
Roger
--- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort
> and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
would
> never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> absolute TD diamond.
> Many Thanks
> Colin South Wales UK
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 12:27
pm
Subject: Choronzon live
Who played the lead keyboard line on Choronzon on TT2 Paris '81 - or for that
fact, any other live show? Btw - the Paris version of Choronzon is just
sensational, eh?
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 12:42
pm
Subject: Bondy Parade
I always thought something had gone wrong on stage when Bondy Parade was played
at Glasgow in '81 - if you listen to the recording of it, the percussion
kicks-in about three seconds, stops for about 5 seconds, then kicks-in again.
But you can hear the same thing on TT2's Newcastle '81 recording. Deliberate or
a problem that couldn't be fixed?
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 3:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Choronzon live
I would say that Johhannes playing!
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'colin anderson'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:27 PM
Subject: [tadream] Choronzon live
> Who played the lead keyboard line on Choronzon on TT2 Paris '81 - or for
that fact, any other live show? Btw - the Paris version of Choronzon is just
sensational, eh?
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 4:41
pm
Subject: Bondy Parade
>From: 'colin anderson'
>
>I always thought something had gone wrong on stage when Bondy Parade was
>played
>at Glasgow in '81 - if you listen to the recording of it, the percussion
>kicks-in about three seconds, stops for about 5 seconds, then kicks-in again.
>But you can hear the same thing on TT2's Newcastle '81 recording.
>Deliberate or
>a problem that couldn't be fixed?
Apparently an intentional characteristic of the song. Every live
performance of it on the October-November 81 tour sounded like that.
Look up more info about these shows here:
http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html
(select the year on the menu on the left, then click on a particular tour.
-Morgan
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From:
Craig Padilla
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 6:48
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
From: 'gkopuy'
Hi Colin,
Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about.
**Yes, I also may have missed something. I'd very much like to see/hear some
Tangerine Dream concerts other than the instrumental rock show of 220 Volt
Live (which I already own, released by Miramar).
Yours musically,
Craig
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From:
Simon Fay
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 8:56
pm
Subject: TD sessions
Any resources anywhere that give
anecdotal/circumstantial details on the recording
sessions for TD's hefty body of work? Like, when did
the group decide that 'Hyperborea' was going to have
one long piece on side 2 and did they have to rattle
off soemthing suitable to get the job finished in time
to make the 2 Athens gigs at the end of that month?
That kind of thing
SF
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 6:50
am
Subject: KS on Radio Eins
hello
if you intersted in a recording (2 Hours) of the last Radio Eins :
ElektroBeats Show (27-Nov-2002) with Klaus Schulze as Live Studio-
Guest. Please contact me off_list.
heiko@o...
Cheers
Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 12:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS on Radio Eins
The interview is online here:
http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/interview.jsp?id=70860
regards,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: 'heineu'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:50 AM
Subject: [tadream] KS on Radio Eins
> hello
>
> if you intersted in a recording (2 Hours) of the last Radio Eins :
> ElektroBeats Show (27-Nov-2002) with Klaus Schulze as Live Studio-
> Guest. Please contact me off_list.
> heiko@o...
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
> http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
>
>
>
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From:
'Tom Overstreet'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 12:57
pm
Subject: TT2
I missed out on this one could someone hook me up I'm new to TD but I have
alot f other stuff.
Thom
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 4:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] new Johannes Schmoelling CD
Its seems that in fact it *is* a radio play, with Schmoelling's
music, like the children's play 'Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini'.
armin
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Just had a look at the Johannes Schmoelling website and was delighted to
> see that it has been updated two days ago, Johannes will soon release a
> new CD called 'Laufen' which contains music from a radio play. I have no
> idea about what the music will sound like, but anyway..you can order
> your copy at the following URL: 'http://www.johannesschmoelling.de'
> (then click on 'CD shop')
>
> Heiko
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú
Okay, I finally got that Canyon Dreams I ordered from Amazon. ('Sent on
November 11. - Estimated shipping date September 1.' -Guess they have a time
machine...) Had I known what I was getting, I would not have been worried if
the stock would have run out and I would have not gotten this... What's all
the fuss about? I'm disappointed.
This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is this really
not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds somewhat 'Froezen' -
and that bit is missing from the Electronic Orgy version...
The only good track is Canyon Voices, and even that is not really great.
Most are so-and-so, some (like Purple Nightfall) are downright lame.
At least I spotted a whole lot of references to other pieces. I have this
long 88 Paul Haslinger piano solo (thanks Morgan!) and the main theme
appears to be from Canyon Voices. Sudden Revealation is strikingly similar
to Beach Bay Bunker (from The Dream Roots Collection bonus CD), they both
share the same flute(?) pattern; then there's Zen Garden -like percussion on
Rock Mountain Hawk, and some faint resemblance to Rubycon pt 2 on the intro
of A Matter Of Time...
As the headline says, 'Lame Deja Vú' is the aptest description I can think
of.
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 6:50
pm
Subject: Nottingham '76
I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife
noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else
noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested.
Scott
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:02
pm
Subject: Hard Day's Night nod
>I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife
>noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else
>noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested.
>
>Scott Plumer
You're not the only one. :)
>From: Ivan Yerkedoff
>Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:01 pm
>Subject: TT 1 + Beatles?
>
>P.S. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatles
>Hard Day's Night on Nottingham, track 3 starting 11:24
>and then 11: 48?
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:03
pm
Subject: Re: KS on Radio Eins
Hello,
that is right, but my recording is not the audio-stream recording
from the Radio Eins Homepage, I recorded this directly with digital
Radio-Tuner. I think the audio stream is a reduced quality.
Cheers
Heiko - mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote:
> The interview is online here:
> http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/interview.jsp?
id=70860
>
> regards,
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'heineu'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:50 AM
> Subject: [tadream] KS on Radio Eins
>
>
> > hello
> >
> > if you intersted in a recording (2 Hours) of the last Radio Eins :
> > ElektroBeats Show (27-Nov-2002) with Klaus Schulze as Live Studio-
> > Guest. Please contact me off_list.
> > heiko@o...
> >
> > Cheers
> > Heiko - Mr. Optical
> > http://www.opticaldream.de
> > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
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> >
> >
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 4:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nottingham '76
I think someone else metioned this while ago Scott. At the time, I checked
out my copy and the melody is defintely in there!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott
To:
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: [tadream] Nottingham '76
> I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my wife
> noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone else
> noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nottingham '76
Yep, this was brought up a few months back. I remember
putting on the headphones, listening carefully and
there it was: A Hard Days Night! I would have
preferred I Am The Walrus but you can't have
everything ;-)
--- Chris Owen wrote:
> I think someone else metioned this while ago Scott.
> At the time, I checked
> out my copy and the melody is defintely in there!
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:50 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Nottingham '76
>
>
> > I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day
> (From TT1) and my wife
> > noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard
> Day's Night.' Anyone else
> > noticed this? I can find the exact time if
> anyone's interested.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 8:40
pm
Subject: Earphone Question
Folks:
Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
earphones available to block out area sound such as
other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently
using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise
blocker/white sound circuit in them that help
somewhat, but not near enough.
I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
Any suggestions...please?
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
From: 'Deb H-J'
> Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
> earphones available to block out area sound such as
> other folks radios, conversation, etc.?
Hi Deb
I'm working in a rather noisy office at the moment and I've started using these
Sony earphones with my Minidisc player.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1B1522A2
You might want to try a pair like this, with the moulded bits that fit right in
the ear. I find them pretty good for blocking out noise.
Maff
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From:
Thomas Overstreet
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
Save yourself the $300.00 or so dollars that the the new BOSE would cost you
and send a couple of dollars on a screw driver and some wirecutters. Work late
one night , unscrew the speaker and snip the wires then splice them back
together. they've just think your speaker stopped working.
hom
On Monday, Dec 02, 2002, at 03:40PM, Deb H-J wrote:
>Folks:
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
>earphones available to block out area sound such as
>other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently
>using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise
>blocker/white sound circuit in them that help
>somewhat, but not near enough.
>
>I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
>cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
>speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
>25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
>I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
>CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
>
>Any suggestions...please?
>
>Deb H-J
>dhj4@y...
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 11:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
If I had to work in an environment like that I'd be getting health and
safety officials round there pretty damn quick....!
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Deb H-J'
To: 'Tadream'
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: [tadream] Earphone Question
> Folks:
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
> earphones available to block out area sound such as
> other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently
> using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise
> blocker/white sound circuit in them that help
> somewhat, but not near enough.
>
> I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
> cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
> speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
> 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
> I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
> CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
>
> Any suggestions...please?
>
> Deb H-J
> dhj4@y...
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 12:15
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Earphone Question
And they wonder why people go postal...
:)
(Deb - That's NOT a suggestion!)
Seriously, I use a pretty cheap pair of ear buds at work, and they do the
trick most of the time for me. People have to tap me on the shoulder to get
my attention if the volume is up.
James
(working late - blasting 'The Fires of Ork' through my desktop speakers
since there's no one else here to bother...)
-----Original Message-----
I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
Any suggestions...please?
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
Hello
I think there is a kind of special headphones manufactured by Sony which can
totoally block out outside noise. This headphone uses batteries though. I do
not know the item no. of this headphone, but a friend of mine who had a flight
with me used that, and he was able to sleep well on the plane in spite of
noises around. Maybe this suits you. Check out the internet for more info -
maybe other brands exist too.
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Deb H-J
To: Tadream
Subject: [tadream] Earphone Question
Date: Tue Dec 03 04:40:53 HKT 2002
Folks:
Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
earphones available to block out area sound such as
other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently
using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise
blocker/white sound circuit in them that help
somewhat, but not near enough.
I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
Any suggestions...please?
Deb H-J
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú
On Monday 02 December 2002 6:55 pm, John Vertical wrote:
> This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is
> this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds
> somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic
> Orgy version...
Well, you're listening to it in reverse chronological order...I think
it would be fairer to say that Oasis is very strongly reminiscent of
Caynon Dreams, and that themes like the piano solo or the bonus
tracks you mention have been lifted from it!
I really like Canyon Dreams. The first few tracks all work well for
me, and 'Sudden Revelation' is quite sublime. I wish they'd done more
in this vein.
Dennis
From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
Hi,
The Headphones are called Noise Cancelling or just NC - look out for NC in
the name of the Sony Headphones - they block out some frequencies better
than others so don't expect they can remove screaming children or teenagers
;-)
An example on such a headphone is here
http://www.minidisco.com/minispecs/sonymdrnc20.html
Peter Ravn
----- Original Message -----
From: 'coldwatercanyon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
> Hello
>
> I think there is a kind of special headphones manufactured by Sony which
can totoally block out outside noise. This headphone uses batteries though.
I do not know the item no. of this headphone, but a friend of mine who had a
flight with me used that, and he was able to sleep well on the plane in
spite of noises around. Maybe this suits you. Check out the internet for
more info - maybe other brands exist too.
>
> Jeffrey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb H-J
> To: Tadream
> Subject: [tadream] Earphone Question
> Date: Tue Dec 03 04:40:53 HKT 2002
>
> Folks:
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
> earphones available to block out area sound such as
> other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm currently
> using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise
> blocker/white sound circuit in them that help
> somewhat, but not near enough.
>
> I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
> cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
> speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
> 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
> I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
> CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
>
> Any suggestions...please?
>
> Deb H-J
> dhj4@y...
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From:
Falcon
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 11:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
At 09:40 PM 12/2/2002, you wrote:
>Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair of
>earphones available to block out area sound such as
>other folks radios, conversation, etc.?
Try the Koss 'The Plug'. I've been using these now for 9 months and they
sound great. They are similar to a Earbud ('Oropax', i dont know the
english word for that), but with a small tube inside, that pumps the sound
directly into your ear. They block all outside noise (do not use while
driving or so), and have a very good bass response. And they are quite
cheap US$ 15,99. BTW, in germany, these are sold for some 35 Euro (about
twice as in the US. . .)
Ramon
From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 12:48
pm
Subject: Re: Nottingham '76
Scott, I agree that there is a similarity as I remember noticing it
when I first got a tape copy in '77. It's part of the third piece if
I remember correctly.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'Scott' wrote:
> I was listening to Nottingham '76 the other day (From TT1) and my
wife
> noticed they do a tease of the Beatles' 'Hard Day's Night.' Anyone
else
> noticed this? I can find the exact time if anyone's interested.
>
> Scott
From:
'braddito'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 12:57
pm
Subject: Re: Earphone Question
What an awful working environment, but at least you are able to
listen to your own music - even with background noise it's got ot be
better than unadulterated 'pop'. I can only listen to my stuff before
8.30 or after 5.30 when we have no 'phone calls. Surely if the
background music is so loud you can still hear it, you have grounds
for complaint as someone else suggested ?
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., Deb H-J wrote:
> Folks:
>
I work in a
> cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an overhead
> speaker that projects a radio station playing the same
> 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
> I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
> CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
>
> Any suggestions...please?
>
> Deb H-J
> dhj4@y...
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Earphone Question
I looked into this a bit myself for a similar problem.
I did end up getting some noise cancelling Aiwa
headphones. The thing about the NC headphones is I
think they are really designed with air travel in
mind. They are great for cutting out the low level hum
of machines and engines (great on the bus) but they do
little with voices, in fact I can hear outside voices
clearer since the other noises are filtered.
I went to a couple of high end audio stores looking
for the holy grail and one guy told me that that full
enclosure headphones designed to block all external
sound have disappeared largely due to lawsuits by
people wearing them and being oblivious to dangerous
situations. Apparently some guy never heard his smoke
alarm. Could be hype though.
On the plus side I've recently seen some headphones
being advertised for club DJs that are designed to
block out as much external noise as possible so that
they can liste and prepare their mixes. That's a lot
of sound to block out so that may do the trick. So you
might want to check out some music stores like Guitar
Center or whatever's local rather than
hi-fi/electronics shops.
Once when I worked in a machine shop I modified a pair
of large Koss headphones by apart them appart and
filling all the cavities with a dense foam, that
worked amazingly well.
DanD
--- Deb H-J wrote:
> Folks:
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for the best pair
> of
> earphones available to block out area sound such as
> other folks radios, conversation, etc.? I'm
> currently
> using a pair of earphones that have an ambient noise
> blocker/white sound circuit in them that help
> somewhat, but not near enough.
>
> I'm really, really desperate about this. I work in a
> cubicle in a small enclosed room that has an
> overhead
> speaker that projects a radio station playing the
> same
> 25 Top 40 hits hour after hour, day after day...and
> I'm trying to listen to emusic CDRs on my computer's
> CD disc drive. I am about to LOSE MY MIND.
>
> Any suggestions...please?
>
> Deb H-J
> dhj4@y...
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 2:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú
> > This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is
> > this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds
> > somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic
> > Orgy version...
>
>Well, you're listening to it in reverse chronological order...I think
>it would be fairer to say that Oasis is very strongly reminiscent of
>Caynon Dreams, and that themes like the piano solo or the bonus
>tracks you mention have been lifted from it!
That's like saying 'You look indeed really alike, Benny and Matt. Especially
you, Ben.'
The order doesn't matter. I'm not commenting on where these themes came
from... I just wonder why is Canyon Dreams so different from the other Blue
Years TD I've heard?
>I really like Canyon Dreams. The first few tracks all work well for
>me, and 'Sudden Revelation' is quite sublime. I wish they'd done more
>in this vein.
>
>Dennis
Yep, that's my point indeed - I don't like it.
Shadow Flyer, Canyon Carver and Colorado Dawn are all OK, but not very
special. Canyon Voices and Sudden Revealation are sort of good but I still
prefer Beach Bay Bunker & that piano solo. Water's Gift sounds like a
prolonged intro into nothing; the rest just plain suck.
Oasis at least has Flashflood, Summer Storm and Waterborne...
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 2:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú
> > > This really resembles Oasis more than any Blue Years albums. Is
> > > this really not remixed? Especially the end of Canyon Flyer sounds
> > > somewhat 'Froezen' - and that bit is missing from the Electronic
> > > Orgy version...
> >
> >Well, you're listening to it in reverse chronological order...I think
> >it would be fairer to say that Oasis is very strongly reminiscent of
> >Caynon Dreams, and that themes like the piano solo or the bonus
> >tracks you mention have been lifted from it!
>
> That's like saying 'You look indeed really alike, Benny and Matt. Especially
> you, Ben.'
> The order doesn't matter. I'm not commenting on where these themes came
> from... I just wonder why is Canyon Dreams so different from the other Blue
> Years TD I've heard?
Of course it matters, since your initial point was that Canyon Dreams sounds so
much like Oasis that you were wondering whether it had been re-mixed more
recently. As far as I know (but I'm not 100% sure) it hasn't.
TD's output in that period was quite heterogeneous anyway, so it's difficult to
say just how different Canyon Dreams is from Le Parc, Legend, Underwater
Sunlight, Tyger, or Livemiles (which are all very different from one another
themselves). I see no reason to believe that Canyon Dreams wasn't recorded
during (at the end of) that period; and my impression is that, when recording
Oasis, TD consciously revisited Canyon Dreams and some of the textures of that
album. That's why I think the order of release matters.
> Yep, that's my point indeed - I don't like it.
> Shadow Flyer, Canyon Carver and Colorado Dawn are all OK, but not very
> special. Canyon Voices and Sudden Revealation are sort of good but I still
> prefer Beach Bay Bunker & that piano solo. Water's Gift sounds like a
> prolonged intro into nothing; the rest just plain suck.
> Oasis at least has Flashflood, Summer Storm and Waterborne...
> John Vertical (is this going too negative?)
No, you just seem to prefer the more lively stuff, which is great. It's the
other way around with me. I like the three tracks you mention from Oasis, but I
don't think they age quite as well as some of the finer moments of Canyon
Dreams.
Dennis
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: TD's seeds
Just got my seed exchange list today.
In the poppy section I came across 'Papaver Orientale Tangerine Dream.'
Maybe I will try some for my bees next year.
Martin what else are you selling on your website!
David
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:01
pm
Subject: Re: Earphone Question
Thomas:
<< Save yourself the $300.00 or so dollars that the
the new BOSE would cost you and send a couple of
dollars on a screw driver and some wirecutters. Work
late one night, unscrew the speaker and snip the wires
then splice them back together. they've just think
your speaker stopped working. >>
You don't know how often I've thought about doing
this. I have seriously given thought to finding some
way of disabling the speaker so no one will know. But
with all my feeble attempts to get them to (1) turn
the damned thing down and (2) listen to something else
have resulted in a lot of friction. The first thought
would be that I did it (regardless of what was done).
I have been using Aiwa noise-cancelling earphones for
about a year, and for the most part, they have worked,
but the evil-eared people who can't seem to breath
without this music keep turning it up. Apparently, its
no good to them unless its LOUD.
I've been through the H.R. department, my supervisor,
my director, and even gotten doctor certification that
it messes with my migraines...but the Top 40 25 songs
tinny treble commercials blaring cutie dj stuff
continues. (Wonder if I could make a case for
diability?)
Anyway...my husband is getting me the Bose earphones
for Christmas, and if they don't work, I'm going to
return them and try Sennheiser noise cancelling
earphones, and if they don't work, I'm going to try
Etymotic ear buds. Then I'm going to quit.
Anyway...thanks for the suggestion!
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: Earphone Question
Phil:
<< If I had to work in an environment like that I'd be
getting health and safety officials round there pretty
damn quick....!>>
At the risk of running this topic into the ground, I
did try our H.R. (Human Resources Dept.) first. They
said that since our organization had no 'music in the
workplace' policy, they couldn't intervene. I try not
to come across as some sort of nut, but I think that's
what they took me for.
My thought has always been...if I played my emusic at
the same level, they'd all raise such a stink that I'd
have to turn it off. I'd like to pipe Pete Namlook's
'Pain Amplifier' through the speaker sometime.
Anyway, thanks to you and everyone else for the moral
support.
Deb H-J
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From:
Thomas Overstreet
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
Being an electrician who now does alarm systems I really do know what you are
talking about. Most of these systems today can be wired for a certain wattage
coming in and I always tap them at the lowest. I just finished an elementary
scholl where they prints required me to put 7 audio visual devices in a small
nurse's station. It's insane, loud noises like this can actually make you sick
due to it disturbing and damaging your inner ear but yet they pay people
hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to do it again and gain. I say
discontact the things and don't say anything to anyone about it.
Thom
On Tuesday, Dec 03, 2002, at 02:01PM, Deb H-J wrote:
>Thomas:
>
><< Save yourself the $300.00 or so dollars that the
>the new BOSE would cost you and send a couple of
>dollars on a screw driver and some wirecutters. Work
>late one night, unscrew the speaker and snip the wires
>then splice them back together. they've just think
>your speaker stopped working. >>
>
>You don't know how often I've thought about doing
>this. I have seriously given thought to finding some
>way of disabling the speaker so no one will know. But
>with all my feeble attempts to get them to (1) turn
>the damned thing down and (2) listen to something else
>have resulted in a lot of friction. The first thought
>would be that I did it (regardless of what was done).
>
>I have been using Aiwa noise-cancelling earphones for
>about a year, and for the most part, they have worked,
>but the evil-eared people who can't seem to breath
>without this music keep turning it up. Apparently, its
>no good to them unless its LOUD.
>
>I've been through the H.R. department, my supervisor,
>my director, and even gotten doctor certification that
>it messes with my migraines...but the Top 40 25 songs
>tinny treble commercials blaring cutie dj stuff
>continues. (Wonder if I could make a case for
>diability?)
>
>Anyway...my husband is getting me the Bose earphones
>for Christmas, and if they don't work, I'm going to
>return them and try Sennheiser noise cancelling
>earphones, and if they don't work, I'm going to try
>Etymotic ear buds. Then I'm going to quit.
>
>Anyway...thanks for the suggestion!
>
>Deb H-J
>dhj4@y...
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:00
pm
Subject: re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú
re: Canyon Dreams: Lame Deja Vú
canyon dreams was a welcome respite in a sea of TD soundtrack releases of
the era, specifically
three o'clock high
shy people
deadly care
unfortunately it was really the end of an era signalling the drive towards
private music....
Additionally, I think the near unavailability of the CD version for several
years (except for a couple of tracks) boosted canyon dreams' regard amongst
TD die-hards.
--T (wishing my td.org 'the melrose years' order would stop having
issues....--about to give up on it)
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
Well...for better or worse we can't play any music at our office (including
headphones)
MJ
Original Message:
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From: braddito toby.braddick@u...
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:57:02 -0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
What an awful working environment, but at least you are able to
listen to your own music - even with background noise it's got ot be
better than unadulterated 'pop'.
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From:
'bjoernsip'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:12
pm
Subject: The Melrose Years
Got my signed digipack (245/1000) today - just listening to Optical
Race! It´s sometimes amazing listening to the re-recorded versions.
Right now great guitar works in Marakash by Mark Hornby and lovely
percussion by Iris Kulterer in Sun Gate. I believe, that some of the
songs could be part of my personal Top Ten in future.
It will be a long night till the the last note Melrose.
Björn Sip
PS: Got my Rubycon - T-Shirt too, very good printing quality!!!
THANX to TDI
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From:
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:35
pm
Subject: Edgar's song
Hi guys!
You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans
here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip
Is Edgar really singing?
Have fun!
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jarek@w...
Visit my websites at:
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http://www.klausmusic.pl/
http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/
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From:
Vincent Guérenne
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 10:12
pm
Subject: London Astoria gig.
Hi, guys !
I'm not a newbie, but it's my first post to the list. I had some troubles
when I booked online for the show. After an error on the page, I've finaly
bought 4 tickets in the place of 2 ! The page has not been refreshed and
quantity was repeated. Take care !
There is the answer of the helpdesk :
'Unfortunately it is not possible to change the quantity of tickets in an
account once the booking has been confirmed. It is possible to cancel the
booking and you could rebook with the desired amount of tickets but there
would be a cancellation fee of £2.00 per ticket.'
I cancelled and nevertheless, two days later I received 4 tickets !
So, I've 2 tickets to sold at the price of £20 (without the disgusting fee
required by TicketWebb...) Please contact me off-list.
My wife and I will be happy to meet all 'usual suspects' in London.
Regards,
Vincent.
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From:
David Butler
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 10:21
pm
Subject: Headphones continued
I'm not sure if you can get away with wearing
completely over the ear type phones, but if you can I
would definetely recommend Sony MDR-V6. They are one
of the best headphones I've ever listened to and I've
listened to a lot. They are a bit hard to find
sometimes but should be in the $75 range. Of course,
that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David
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From:
'sequentc'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:23
am
Subject: Canyon Dreams : Landscape music
Canyon Dream .................. which came first the music or the film?
If you see the images.... the music makes 'sense'........ when I play some
of the music from this CD... the images do somehow get recalled, and both
'film images' and 'music' make a tight fit. Possibly not classic TD but
......... highly interesting music......I thought this led nicely into the
studio albums Optical Race, Melrose and Lilly on the Beach?!
Ray H
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 11:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] London Astoria gig.
good deal, I am sure you wont those extra tickets for long
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Vincent Guérenne'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: [tadream] London Astoria gig.
> Hi, guys !
>
> I'm not a newbie, but it's my first post to the list. I had some troubles
> when I booked online for the show. After an error on the page, I've
finaly
> bought 4 tickets in the place of 2 ! The page has not been refreshed and
> quantity was repeated. Take care !
> There is the answer of the helpdesk :
> 'Unfortunately it is not possible to change the quantity of tickets in an
> account once the booking has been confirmed. It is possible to cancel the
> booking and you could rebook with the desired amount of tickets but there
> would be a cancellation fee of £2.00 per ticket.'
> I cancelled and nevertheless, two days later I received 4 tickets !
> So, I've 2 tickets to sold at the price of £20 (without the disgusting fee
> required by TicketWebb...) Please contact me off-list.
> My wife and I will be happy to meet all 'usual suspects' in London.
>
> Regards,
> Vincent.
>
>
>
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From:
'dat_dream'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 12:49
am
Subject: Re: Headphones continued
--- In tadream@y..., David Butler wrote:
> I'm not sure if you can get away with wearing
> completely over the ear type phones, but if you can I
> would definetely recommend Sony MDR-V6. They are one
> of the best headphones I've ever listened to and I've
> listened to a lot. They are a bit hard to find
> sometimes but should be in the $75 range. Of course,
> that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David
I used to have a MDR-V6 and now use a couple of Sony
MDR-V600's which I THINK is a repackaged V6 or newer
version... whatever. Sony changes model #'s more often than
some people change socks. I too think they offer a lot of bang for
the buck, sound great for home use, and are comfortable for
extended use (a problem I have w/ the earbuds), albeit they are
warm to wear. Think earmuffs.
I use 'em on the job and they do a decent job of muffling the
noises, but don't completely block out external sounds. A quick
check on dealtime.com turned up both the V-6 and V-600 for $80
to $110 delivered.
I've tried a Sony MDR-NC20 and they seem to work better at
reducing sustained noises (jet engines) but don't do so well at
transient sounds (talking and probably, unfortunately, top 40).
But the NC20 is a few years old and maybe the electronics have
improved in the past few years.
Hope this helps.
From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:25
am
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - Final process on the run !!!
Hi There
At this time, the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is on its final
process for a release in January as usual.
You will se soon on www.tadream.net or www.olyam.com some pictures and sound
samples.
As some of the musicians sent me more than one track i created a very
limited Preview CDR only for the musicians.
They can contact Tom Richmond TRichmond@b... for having a copy.
This CDR contains 17 tracks featuring short edited versions and 10
Unreleased tracks not available on any onther DWT volume.
Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR
planned for January.
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DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
Disc 1
1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
(c) Olyam Music Production
visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur'
2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
(c) Nightbirds
3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
(c) P. Ellis
4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
(c) Sensorial recordings
visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
(c) Mirage Créations
6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
Stephen Fletcher)
(c) Dream Conspiracy
visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
(c) Ionic
8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
(c) G. Jobim
9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
(c) R. Rollins
Disc 2
1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
(c) Pergamon
2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
(c) O. Briand
3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
(c) F. Yargui
4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
(c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
(c) A. Stocker
6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
(c) M. McMillan
7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
(c) 3N
8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
(c) G. Hemery
9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
(c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
(c) J. Owens
Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
Project managed by Yannick Edom
Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
Artwork : Yannick Edom
Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse
(France)
The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
(www.olyam.com)
Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
musicians in this project.
(c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
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For information here are the track/credits for the preview CDR
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DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
Special Preview CDR
Very Limited edition for the musicians only
1- 3N 'The Farthest Shore' (3N) *
(c) 3N
2- Gilles Hemery 'The Sanctuary' (G. Hemery) *
(c) G.Hemery
3- Pergaamon 'First Touch' (Pergamon) *
(c) Pergamon
4- Rik Rollins 'Fear Inside' (R. Rollins) *
(c) R. Rollins
5- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
(c) Sensorial Recordings
Full version on final DWT III
6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
Stephen Fletcher) *
(c) Dream Conspiracy
7- Darklion 'Planet of Dreams' (Darklion) *
(c) Mirage Créations
8- Olivier Briand 'Stratoss Fire' (O. Briand) *
(c) O. Briand
9- Satsuma Nightmare 'Edna Makes a Choice' (Alan Stocker - Jon Angell)*
(c) Satsuma Nightmare)
10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
(c) J. Owens
Full vesrion on final DWT III
11- Ionic 'Intripidation' (Ionic) *
(c) Ionic
'Logos' and 'Poland' quotes composed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling
12- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
(c) G. Jobim
Full version on final DWT III
13- Nightbirds 'Morning Weather (excerpt)' (Modular - Bluedesk)*
(c) Nightbirds
14- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
(c) F. Yargui
Full version on final DWT III
15- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
(c) P. Ellis
Full version on final DWT III
16- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
(c) M. McMillan
Full version on final DWT III
17- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
(c) Olyam Music Production
Full version on final DWT III
* track on this preview CDR only - not available on any other DWT volume
Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
Project managed by Yannick Edom
Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
Artwork : Yannick Edom
Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse
(France)
The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
Very Limited edition For the musicians only
Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
(www.olyam.com)
Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
musicians in this project.
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:44
am
Subject: Antwort: [tadream] The Melrose Years
Got yesterday my digipack (191/1000) also with the rubycon t-shirt.
Have taking a short listening to each song.
And have the Information that the box-set Tangents again available in
Germany.
Here is one address, if you want to order:
http://www.soundhouse-music.de/
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
'bjoernsip' on 03.12.2002 22:12:20
Bitte antworten an tadream@yahoogroups.com
An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Kopie:
Thema: [tadream] The Melrose Years
Got my signed digipack (245/1000) today - just listening to Optical
Race! It´s sometimes amazing listening to the re-recorded versions.
Right now great guitar works in Marakash by Mark Hornby and lovely
percussion by Iris Kulterer in Sun Gate. I believe, that some of the
songs could be part of my personal Top Ten in future.
It will be a long night till the the last note Melrose.
Björn Sip
PS: Got my Rubycon - T-Shirt too, very good printing quality!!!
THANX to TDI
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From:
'rbicon'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:43
am
Subject: New 2002 EM poll
Hello every EM fan.
After 1 week and nearly 10 participants, here are the first places of
this 2002 poll;
Best 2002 EM cd -Resurrection-Max Von Richter
Best 2002 techno cd-Seventh wave-System 7
Best 2002 song-Triochame-Ionic
Newcomers of 2002-Ionic
Comeback of the year-Max Von Richter
Best CD of all time-Tangram by TD
Deception of the year-Manuel Gottsching
I'm expecting more participants. So please in order to help EM
artists and help future EM costumers in their choices of buying,
visit;
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/pool_2002/pool_2002.htm
PS. Any info on Ionic?
Thanks and my best salute to all of you
Sylvain from Québec,Canada
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Headphones continued
Have I understood the situation, as stated in these HR messages correctly..?
The music is not being played 'officially', it's just someone playing his /
her own stuff?
Well go ahead! Declare war! Do unplug that speaker! Or in case other people
want to hear something through it, play something like Fly and Collision of
Comas Sola, or Wahn, or Ultima Thule, or... through it.
I guess they will eventually understand *your* stand of not wanting to hear
stuff?
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:49
am
Subject: Kieslowski & Tangent
I've commonly caught my usually non-musical mother whistiling the tune from
the first quarter of Tangent... I thought that it was simply because the
melody is some sort of catchy, but she claims that it actually resembles
something from Kieslowski's Blue...
Any comments?
John Vertical
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 11:30
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Kieslowski & Tangent
I've seen BLUE countless times, and never made the connection... I'll have
to watch it again and let you know.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:50 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Kieslowski & Tangent
>
>
> I've commonly caught my usually non-musical mother whistiling the
> tune from
> the first quarter of Tangent... I thought that it was simply because the
> melody is some sort of catchy, but she claims that it actually resembles
> something from Kieslowski's Blue...
>
> Any comments?
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:29
pm
Subject: Re: FW: [tadream] Edgar's song
That was fun...but so silly!
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
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Washington, DC 20036-2188
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>>> 'Michael A Jean' 12/04/02 06:43AM >>>
-----Original Message-----
From: jarek@w... [mailto:jarek@w...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:36 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Edgar's song
Hi guys!
You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD
Fans
here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip
Is Edgar really singing?
Have fun!
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jarek@w...
Visit my websites at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
http://www.klausmusic.pl/
http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:27
pm
Subject: Bonus track = renamed track!
I've just received my copy of 'The Melrose Years' (118/1000). Listening
to the bonus track of the Optical Race CD (Ruling the Waves) I was sure
I had listened to it before! Well, this track is identical to 'Ivory
Town' from i-box cd 4. Now I can't wait for listening to the other bonus
tracks...
Antonio Nunes
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's song
Very funny! Thanks :-)
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:55
pm
Subject: Melrose bonus track
Listening to the bonus track of the Melrose CD (The Back
of Beyond) I experienced another 'deja vu' sensation, but in this
case I knew the music only from a unofficial recording. 'The Back of
Beyond' is identical to 'Sequence II' from the bootleg 'In der Gärten
Pharaos/Bicycle Race' or 'Unstable Orbit' from 'Persistence of Vision'.
Antonio Nunes
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bonus track = renamed track!
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:27:20 +0000
Antonio Nunes writes:
>I've just received my copy of 'The Melrose Years' (118/1000).
>Listening to the bonus track of the Optical Race CD (Ruling
>the Waves) I was sure I had listened to it before! Well,
>this track is identical to 'Ivory Town' from i-box cd 4. Now
>I can't wait for listening to the other bonus tracks...
Am I the only one who finds it disheartening that the
bonus track is a previously-released track?
>Antonio Nunes
Steven Feldman
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Melrose Years
> Got my signed digipack (245/1000) today - just listening to Optical
> Race! It´s sometimes amazing listening to the re-recorded versions.
> Right now great guitar works in Marakash by Mark Hornby and lovely
> percussion by Iris Kulterer in Sun Gate. I believe, that some of the
> songs could be part of my personal Top Ten in future.
> It will be a long night till the the last note Melrose.
I listened to all three discs in a row yesterday (loud under headphones, as
usual) and agree 100% with what Björn said. If you didn't like Optical race,
Lily on the beach and Melrose when they got released the first time, you most
certainly won't like the 'Melrose years trilogy' either. But I liked all of
them (especially 'Melrose' is fabulous), and the longer I listened to the new
cd set I got more and more enthusiastic about it. This is not just Edgar
trying to add some new synth sounds to old recordings which should have
better left in their original form (like on 'Soundmill Navigator'), it is for
the most part a complete re-recording which is not a bit irritating or
disturbing at all. It's hard to describe, but when I first heard CDs like
'Sohoman' or 'Soundmill Navigator' I knew that something was wrong, here it's
like it should be done. 'Optical race' has some very nice guitar solos from
Mark Hornby which brings new life to tracks like 'Marakesh', and the title
track is an interesting variation..less drums and less Atari sounds, and I
guess it would make a suitable encore for the forthcoming London Astoria gig.
Disc 3 (Melrose) has 'The back of beyond' as bonus track, this was an as yet
unreleased piece that was part of the Melrose UK tour in October/November
1990, and for me it is the perfect missing link to a perfect album. Some of
the tracks really sound quite different, just listen to 'Electric lion'.
Although the compositional structure is the same, the instruments that were
used make it sound like an alternative version..very nice. I could go on and
on, but I guess I better start working.. ;-)
THUMBS UP!
Heiko
P.S.: the Ricochet t-shirt looks totally awesome (although my wife had
another nervous breakdown when I showed it to her, she screamed something
like 'oh no, not another one of these damn TD t-shirts' before she crashed
onto the floor ~LOL~)
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:18
am
Subject: Re: The Melrose Years
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
> 'Optical race' has some very nice guitar solos from
> Mark Hornby which brings new life to tracks like 'Marakesh', and
the title
> track is an interesting variation..less drums and less Atari
sounds, and I
> guess it would make a suitable encore for the forthcoming London
Astoria gig.
I really doubt they used the internal Atari sounds for any
of their albums as the soundchip was not that good.
They had lots of synths which did a better so it wouldn't
make sense. They used it for Cubase though.
So how does the t-shirts look like? Is there a picture
of it on the TD site (haven't checked it yet).
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Melrose Years
In a message dated 12/5/2002 4:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mengels@w... writes:
> Is there a picture
> of it on the TD site (haven't checked it yet).
>
> Marcel
*Yeah there's a picture there... looks cool to me. I have to confess I bought
all three of the classic album cover t-shirts... and an extra Rubycon shirt for
a christmas present.... be warned, they're expensive! ;-)
but if it's a quality T-shirt like they say then it'll be worth it!
Poly
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:53
am
Subject: The Melrose Years
You make me all very curious about The Melrose Years. I received
my copy yesterday (Nr. 89, no Tshirts as I'm far too skinny for
XL ;-) ) but didn't had any time yet to listen to them. Naturally,
I'm suspicious about Optical Race as the original is one of my
fave TD albums (curious enough for a Zeit-Fan...), but also
hopeful as I dispise most of the original 'Melrose'...
Can't wait for the weekend... hope our (unborn) baby likes it... ;-)
cheers
armin
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's song
At 22:35 03.12.02, you wrote:
>Hi guys!
>
>You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans
>here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip
>Is Edgar really singing?
>Have fun!
>
>Jarek 'Jerry'
>mailto:jarek@w...
>Visit my websites at:
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That was hilarious,
Jerome, I and the rest of the office staff were laughing tears!
Well done, nice job!
:-)
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From:
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Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel
any fans on this list need copies of his current tour?
tom w
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: Iris K has a new CD
http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/album.html
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
Deb H-J wrote:
> I'd like to pipe Pete Namlook's 'Pain Amplifier' through the speaker
> sometime.
nahh
Why don't you try Einstürzende Neubauten's 'Headcleaner' instead?
Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º°
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$$.....Damn!!!!!
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #297
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #297 November 28, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System
Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc two of the two CD
set 'Cloudseeder' by Wave World on the VFR label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Cords' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the
Passport Records label.
Two Dutch Bands
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Synergy On Presuming To Be Cords (Passport Records)
Modern Part III
Robert Carty Elementals Dreaming Earth Water Memories
(Deep Sky)
Jeff Pearce Written in Water Bleed (Hypnos)
Free System Projekt Faraday Pointless Reminder (Quantum)
Wave World The Chain Species (Quantum)
Jonn Serrie The Tachyon Directive Ixlandia (Miramar)
Asmus Tiechens and V The Shifts Recyclings
(Soleilmoon)
12:00 am
Wave World Nebulae Cloudseeder (VFR)
Wave World The Quest * Species (Quantum)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, one of
spacemusic's pioneers. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'And the Stars Go
With You' on the New World Music label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Electronic Realizations for Rock
Orchestra' by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label.
Bill
===============================================================================
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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
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Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'hotsewer'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:30
pm
Subject: Bonus Track
I've just received my copy of 'The Melrose Years' (118/1000).
Listening
to the bonus track of the Optical Race CD (Ruling the Waves) I was
sure
I had listened to it before! Well, this track is identical to 'Ivory
Town' from i-box cd 4. Now I can't wait for listening to the other
bonus
tracks...
Antonio Nunes
Given that TD write, play, produce and market this stuff you would
think they would know better than to issue the same track twice
under different names (although I think its not the first time that
its happened with previous box set releases). Still the recent
material sounds so similar anyway it would be an aesy mistake even
for the composers to make.
TIM G Munich Germany
From:
Thomas Overstreet
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
I don't speak up here often but the perfect thisng would be Lu Reed's Metal
Machine Music
Thom
On Thursday, Dec 05, 2002, at 12:52PM, PENFOLD wrote:
>
>
>Deb H-J wrote:
>> I'd like to pipe Pete Namlook's 'Pain Amplifier' through the speaker
>> sometime.
>
>nahh
>Why don't you try Einstürzende Neubauten's 'Headcleaner' instead?
>
>
>
>Pete Isaacson aka °º?ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø?º°
>mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead
>http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html
>Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235
>1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the
>$$.....Damn!!!!!
>'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven
>Feldman
>
>Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's song
> >Hi guys!
> >
> >You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD Fans
> >here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip
> >Is Edgar really singing?
> >Have fun!
> >
> >Jarek 'Jerry'
>
>
>That was hilarious,
>
>Jerome, I and the rest of the office staff were laughing tears!
>
>Well done, nice job!
>
>:-)
I can't get the file to open - is it some window-only format? (I use a Mac)
John Vertical
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:44
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for November, 2002
WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to
New Age Voice for November, 2002.
Shows #294 to #297; 7-October-2002 to 28-October-2002
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f...
CONTACT: billfox@f...
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Adam Schabtach - Elephant Island - Atomic City
Asmus Tiechens and vidnaObmana - The Shifts Recyclings - Soleilmoon
Free System Projekt - Atmospheric Conditions - Quantum
Ixohoxi - Somnabulae - MP3.COM
Jeff Pearce - Bleed - Hypnos
John Flomer - On a Stranger Light - Spotted Peccary
Jonn Serrie - Ixlandia - Miramar
Metlay! - After Silence - Atomic City
Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - Imprint - Hypnos
Mikronesia - Mikronesia - none
Radio Massacre International - Planets in the Wires - Northern Echo Recordins
Richard Pinhas - Event and Repetitions - Cuneiform
Robert Carty - Dreaming Earth Water Memories - Deep Sky
Robert Carty and Brannan Lane - Climatic Infusion - none
Stephen Philips - Reflections in Water - Dark Duck
Steve Curtain - Wires On Dry Trees Turn Night Into Day - none
Various Artists - First Decade 1992-2002 - Manikin
Various Artists - Hampshire Jam Preserved - none
vidnaObmana - An Opera for Four Fusion Works - Hypnos
Wave World - Cloudseeder - VFR
From:
'heineu'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: Forum canceled!!!!
Hello all,
I cant found on the TD Homepage the Forum. Is it canceled???
Miracles became it me not, because makes contributions were simply
only stupid, there.
Cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:16
pm
Subject: Re: Earphone Question
If you've produced evidence that it's damaging your health, and they still
insist on doing it, surely you could sue them for reckless endangerment or
something? And if not that, how about constructive dismissal (or don't you
have that in the states)?
Anyway, keep fighting!
LnH
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: Re: that earphone question again
Michael wrote:
'we can't play any music at our office (including
headphones)'
No, we can't either, ever since they found somebody listening to white
supremacist stuff when he was supposed to be listening to a training tape.
(Although it seems to be accepted if you're working late or at the weekend.)
I'm really glad I work at home three days a week!
LnH
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
From:
'Strimples'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 7:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel
Yes, I could use some.
Thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel
>
>
> any fans on this list need copies of his current tour?
>
> tom w
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: Edgar's song
Tee Hee!
Much giggling in the Horrod household (in between the sounds of Dave
drooling at the shots of Iris).
Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's starting to look?
LnH
Marion
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to be ...' S. Blakemore
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 8:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar's song
Iris is wayyyy better looking than I gave her credit
for. she can play the bongos for me anytime :-)
I think my wife may thump me now...
--- Marion Horrod wrote: >
Tee Hee!
>
> Much giggling in the Horrod household (in between
> the sounds of Dave
> drooling at the shots of Iris).
>
> Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte
> Edgar's starting to look?
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
> 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's
> twice the size it needs
> to be ...' S. Blakemore
>
>
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From:
'Yanick Vigneault'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 8:59
pm
Subject: Re: Edgar's song
Ha Ha Ha!
Wow! Very good song! The french author of this piece is Joe Dassin...
Well TD and Joe? What a contrast!
'TACADACADA'... hum... I prefer 'Tchic a Tchic a poum ba !!!'
- Very good especially when the words are understood!
- Très bon... surtout lorsqu'on comprend les paroles!
Thank you for the file!
Yanick
--- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> At 22:35 03.12.02, you wrote:
> >Hi guys!
> >
> >You can download a video file (ca 13 MBytes) made by the Polish TD
Fans
> >here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/rewelacja.zip
> >Is Edgar really singing?
> >Have fun!
> >
> >Jarek 'Jerry'
> >mailto:jarek@w...
> >Visit my websites at:
> >http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
> >http://www.klausmusic.pl/
> >http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/
> >
> >
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>
>
> That was hilarious,
>
> Jerome, I and the rest of the office staff were laughing tears!
>
> Well done, nice job!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:18
pm
Subject: RE : [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel
Hello, Folks !
As you speak about 'Peter Gab'... I just recorded his live show at
Studio Radio France, broadcasted on the radio of the same name ;o)
If it interests someones, for the moment, it is on MD... and shall be on
cdr or mp3 one of these days... just drop me a line offlist :-)
Best Regards
Fred
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Strimples [mailto:squonk@e...]
Envoyé : jeudi 5 décembre 2002 20:45
À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
Objet : Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel
Yes, I could use some.
Thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] O/T Peter Gabriel
>
>
> any fans on this list need copies of his current tour?
>
> tom w
>
> ________________________________________________________________
From:
'Scott'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:25
pm
Subject: Re: Earphone Question
If you were in the States, you'd be able to file a complaint with the
Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and they would someday
investigate your workplace and determine if it was a hazard and deal with
your employer appropriately. In Britain I suspect they have a similar thing,
but anyone who works for your employer will probably do everything they can
to NOT give you the information. Do you belong to a union? Go through them,
or contact a labor lawyer.
Scott
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:43
pm
Subject: The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song)
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:17:41 +0000 Marion Horrod
writes:
>Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's
>starting to look?
Yeah. Your point? For another chuckle along the same
lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm Hee hee.
Stephe
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:44
pm
Subject: Off Topic- Isao Tomita's 'Dawn Chorus.'
Does anyone out there in this vast group know how I
might be able to obtain a copy of Isao Tomita's 'Dawn
Chorus' on c.d.
Please respond privately to my inquiry.
Happy Holidays,
Wade
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar's song
> Much giggling in the Horrod household (in between the sounds of Dave
> drooling at the shots of Iris).
>
> Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's starting to
look?
Marion, I rememeber a few years ago a similar discussion about the
similarities between Nick Nolte and Edgar. I just saw Nick on TV a few days
ago and he looks a bit rough (drugs?). But I have never seen Edgar and Nick
together, so... ;-)
Vic
From:
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:44
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar's song
I don't know about Mac. This a zipped *.wmv file. I could ask the 'file
maker' about the codec he has used.
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jarek@w...
Visit my websites at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
http://www.klausmusic.pl/
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>
> I can't get the file to open - is it some window-only format?
> (I use a Mac)
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 12:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
I think the best part of Scott's message was '...contact a labor lawyer.'
From what I have to deal with work places the rest of his message is pretty
much right on too. Contact a lawyer and ask.
Dale
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To:
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:25 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Earphone Question
> If you were in the States, you'd be able to file a complaint with the
> Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and they would someday
> investigate your workplace and determine if it was a hazard and deal with
> your employer appropriately. In Britain I suspect they have a similar
thing,
> but anyone who works for your employer will probably do everything they
can
> to NOT give you the information. Do you belong to a union? Go through
them,
> or contact a labor lawyer.
>
> Scott
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:19
am
Subject: TD forum
It's still there, for what it's worth.
I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf
ears/eyes.
http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum
Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs
and maybe we'll get some more chat here?!
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From:
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:09
am
Subject: I'm Back!!!
Hello All,
I have returned from my vacation a little early. Wash chased out of North
Carolina by an ice storm, and from what I see on the news, we were luck to
get out when we did.
Anyway, I have returned to find....nothing! Not one e-mail is waiting for
me. So I must conclude that my system messed up somehow. If there was any
e-mails sent to my directly this past week, please resend, and I will
respond ASAP.
Thanks
Neal
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song)
I don't think Edgar looks similar to Nick Nolte or Peter Gulch.
I will have to imagine how Edgar without moustache really looks. And Peter
Gulch has such a different 'aura' from Edgar, judging from the photo.
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Feldman
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song)
Date: Fri Dec 06 05:43:14 HKT 2002
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:17:41 +0000 Marion Horrod
writes:
>Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's
>starting to look?
Yeah. Your point? For another chuckle along the same
lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm Hee hee.
Stephe
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:40
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar's song
>I don't know about Mac. This a zipped *.wmv file. I could ask the 'file
>maker' about the codec he has used.
>
>cheers
>
>Jarek 'Jerry'
It unzips just fine, but neither SoundApp (well, not a surprize) nor
QuicktimePlayer nor Sparkle Fat opens the file...
John Vertical
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote:
>It's still there, for what it's worth.
>I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf
>ears/eyes.
>
>http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum
>
>Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs
>and maybe we'll get some more chat here?!
Dear Jonathan & List,
the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give
the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people
would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's
guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly.
What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the
guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have
not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able
to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90%
deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous
comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need.
... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all
the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do.
Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and
any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the
removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be
removed ASAP.
And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I
deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract
against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and
childish remarks about their person ... ;-)
How about opening your own forum?
the sites:
-www.tdsucks.com
-www.IhateTD.com
and
-www.edgarisaw...ker.com
are still free.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:00
am
Subject: RE: Edgar's song
>It unzips just fine, but neither SoundApp (well, not a surprize) nor
>QuicktimePlayer nor Sparkle Fat opens the file...
>
>John Vertical
John, the file is in 'wmv' (W)indows(M)edia(V)ideo format.
This type, along with 'wma'-files (WindowsMediaAudio), are
ment to be played with the Windows Media Player included
with Windows OS. However, Microsoft has released the player
for Mac's as well:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/mediaplayer/mediaplayer_default.asp
Rolf
http://www.rcade.pp.se
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
WOOOOOOWW..........I think Martin here, is in dire need of a hug and some
good vibes....................
I can't say I disagree with you Martin, but it came out very
hard.............
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote:
>It's still there, for what it's worth.
>I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf
>ears/eyes.
>
>http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum
>
>Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs
>and maybe we'll get some more chat here?!
Dear Jonathan & List,
the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give
the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people
would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's
guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly.
What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the
guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have
not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able
to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90%
deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous
comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need.
... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all
the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do.
Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and
any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the
removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be
removed ASAP.
And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I
deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract
against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and
childish remarks about their person ... ;-)
How about opening your own forum?
the sites:
-www.tdsucks.com
-www.IhateTD.com
and
-www.edgarisaw...ker.com
are still free.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
> And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I
>
> deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract
> against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and
> childish remarks about their person ... ;-)
well thank god I don't have a guestbook on my website ~lol~
I feel sorry for those fans who used the forum in a positive way, but I still
remember the 'Admin's complaints on the old TD website about some jerks who
used the guestbook like as if they were in Speakers Corner of Hyde Park, and
this is what happened again. However, I do not agree with some of the comments
of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the majority of so-called
TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry
because it is complete b*llshit.
Heiko
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
...there you go! I actually hardly ever looked at that forum, it was
just plain too silly (at least the few times I did look at it, there
could still be some Heisenberg effect?). I personally wouldn't put
such a forum on websites under my name either. After all there are
mailing lists like this one you could refer to...
There is of course a selection effect. Those immature people Martin was
referring to may not be the majority of TD afficionados (don't like the
word 'fan') but only the majority of those people who write to forums.
But right that is reason enough to dump it.
Reminds me now on the recent poll on british TV for the '100 greatest
Britons of all time' in which people like Boy George and David Beckham
(the latest on rank 33, as far as I remember) appeared. Certainly
also a selection effect towards those people who bother taking part in
such polls on TV (to those outside of Britain: Churchill winning this
poll was not welcomed by some Germans, neither Cromewell in the top ten
by the Irish...)
Well, its great to have this mailing list, and its even greater to have
a 'delete' button...
cheers
armin
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
[snip]
>
> How about opening your own forum?
> the sites:
> -www.tdsucks.com
> -www.IhateTD.com
> and
> -www.edgarisaw...ker.com
> are still free.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
> However, I do not agree with some of the comments
>of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the majority of so-called
>TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry
>because it is complete b*llshit.
*OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only
meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be closed in the
first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom.
Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did not
want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration.
Peace and love.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:55
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum
I just agree that I also skipped over many of the foolish threads in the
forum, but there was usually something worthwhile buried in the
conversation. I thought the reason for the registration was so that admin
could easily block the participation of the offending parties (perhaps not).
For better or worse, probably did increase web-traffic, but they may not be
a good thing if visitors see negative information. I may be rambing a bit,
but I just woke up.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...]
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:46 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
>
>
>
> > However, I do not agree with some of the comments
> >of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the
> majority of so-called
> >TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry
> >because it is complete b*llshit.
>
> *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only
> meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be
> closed in the
> first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom.
>
> Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did not
> want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration.
>
> Peace and love.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
Here's how dictionary.com defines 'forum'.
'The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman
city that was the assembly place for judicial activity
and public business.
A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such
as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
A public meeting or presentation involving a
discussion usually among experts and often including
audience participation.
A court of law; a tribunal.'
I don't ever recall asking for a forum purely for the
exchange of 'information'.
Martin, as I recall, we didn't get a lot of
participation from the truly informed (the TDI gang).
So of course their would be wise-asses. And did you
truly believe people could leave out opinion on a
Forum? We're not robots.
I think that your definitions of the TD fans who used
the forum is offensive. Yes, maybe some of them (me
included) perhaps sometimes went over the lines of
what you may have thought was acceptable for a forum
on the official site -TD's 'showroom' if you will.
Perhaps I can understand your opinion on this matter.
But I wonder if you can understand mine...
If you tell someone that you just bought the latest
album by (for example) Santana. You would get a
mixture of reactions but usually nothing more than at
worst 'oh really' or 'yeah, I got that one too, it's
pretty good'.
If you tell someone that you just bought Inferno by
Tangerine Dream, the reaction is usually one of either
complete incomprehension (WHO?) or disgust (THOSE guys
are still around. You LIKE them/that??)
I have loved TD for the longest time. Martin, I wonder
if you realise what it's like to be on the outside,
looking in. I was at work last Saturday, and as it was
outside normal hours, I was able to play some TD. I
used the jukebox on the website. People stared and
laughed at me for what I was playing. For most of the
time that I've been a fan and have played TD's music,
people laugh at me for my taste. They f**king laugh!
Do you have any idea what it's like to be ostracised
when you're 14 because of your music tastes being
'weird'? To have that continue, in one form or
another, until like me, your nudging 30. It does not
bother me so much now. My wife has heard so much TD
that even some of it she admits to liking (especially
Underwater Sunlight).
If people ask me who my favourite band is I still say
'Tangerine Dream' proudly and brace myself for one of
the reactions I mentioned earlier.
We go to the TD website. We continue to purchase the
new releases, catch up on the ones we miss. Keep
getting disrespected 'Don't like it, don't buy it' -
get blanked when we ask for information, when we ask a
question about why TD did something in a certain way.
Did I lose something in the translation or does TD
really not give a shit about its fans?
Martin, in one of your posts on the forum you
mentioned something about forum posters being rude
people and I believe the terminology was something
akin to 'going to someones house' and being rude
(forgive the inaccuracies). The website may be TD's
house but for for the fans scattered across the globe,
the forum was our home. No one would laugh at ytou
for saying you thought Mars Polaris or Zeit was the
best album ever. We had our disagreements and our
flare-ups like any family, but at least we all knew at
the end of the day we would go to our music system,
put on a TD cd and cherish the music. I hoped you
realised that too.
Edgar, Jerome and you consider the forum a failed
experiment. A shame. Maybe if Edgar and Jerome would
have had the courtesy to answer a few questions, and
contributed to the experiment, maybe us lab rats
wouldn't have ruined the experiment for you and for us
all.
I will continue to support TD and purchase and listen
their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. But
your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth.
Regards,
Jonathan/jonnyboy
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 12:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
Ok, I wrote such a long post that I missed Martins new
post.
Thanks for the 'dampner' and god bless you Heiko
Heerssen. I still think I have made a few good points,
though and I am curious as to the response (if any) it
will get from TDI and whoever else.
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From:
'Stephen Manship'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 1:13
pm
Subject: Re: TD forum
Hi Martin (and all),
It's my first post on this group, but I have been reading for a year
or two.
I share your frustration, and was getting a lot out of the forum. I
am wondering though who caused the failure of the forum. Reading
through the posts, there were many that were negative, but many more
that were positive. Yes, some became personal, and others were
inaccurate, but surely it is Admin's job to weed the chaff from the
wheat? It is not being a schoolteacher; it is being a forum
administrator.
When joining, there were no end of guide-lines and rules, and
warnings of exclusion. Were any individuals sent warnings? Why were
the offenders not barred?
With a band that has been going for 35 years, it is inevitable that
there will be a massive range of fans, especially for a band which
has changed its colours so many times, and it will be inevitable that
some banter (I prefer this word to 'bickering') will occur. I still
maintain (further to a post I made on the forum) that a lot of what
was said should have been read in good humour. I simply cannot
understand how bad tempers can prevail in the context of Tangerine
Dream.
However, I acknowledge that any forum will attract some people who
cannot restrain their vindictive personalities, and I agree that
there were instances where the line was crossed from amusing banter
to insulting behaviour (both against the band and other members). It
just seems a huge shame that they have been allowed to deprive the
others of what was turning into a very entertaining and informative
forum.
Kind regards to all,
Stephen Manship (AKA billythefish / mudspanker... don't ask)
PS. Is Darth Vader (latest guest book entry) Edgar?
> *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually
only
> meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be
closed in the
> first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom.
>
> Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I
did not
> want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep
frustration.
>
> Peace and love.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 1:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song)
Well to further feed this topic - the other night I
was watching '24' (a fairly intriguing US TV show) and
at one point it struck me that if there was ever a
biopic of TD Keifer Sutherland could play the
early-mid version of EF, not sure if his dad, Donald,
would be right for the present-future EF though.
- DanD
--- coldwatercanyon
wrote:
> I don't think Edgar looks similar to Nick Nolte or
> Peter Gulch.
> I will have to imagine how Edgar without moustache
> really looks. And Peter Gulch has such a different
> 'aura' from Edgar, judging from the photo.
>
> Jeffrey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection
> (was Re: Edgar's song)
> Date: Fri Dec 06 05:43:14 HKT 2002
>
> On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:17:41 +0000 Marion Horrod
>
> writes:
>
> >Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte
> Edgar's
> >starting to look?
>
> Yeah. Your point? For another chuckle along
> the same
> lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm
> Hee hee.
>
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
About that forum thing, to me, everyone takes care of their own business and
it's not up to the band to manage fan's comments and reactions.
I mean, if I had my web site with a guest book updated daily with vindicative
posts of any kind, my reaction would be very simple.
You know, I believe in non violence, but if you piss me off, you get kicked
off. That's all.
It's very easy to filter posts and adresses, and on TD's website, all you have
to do is to drop user accounts...
They could very well do that and we wouldn't even know it.
I guess somehow, not doing so is like saying ok, we know some of our fans still
can't stand the so called new direction of the band (because vindicative posts
usually deal with that issue) but we don't want to have to censor them so we
just stop the whole forum.
they already did that once, and still, it seems some people just never learn...
Thomas.
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
>
>I will continue to support TD and purchase and listen
>their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. But
>your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth.
>
>Regards,
>Jonathan/jonnyboy
>
Dear Jonathan and list,
I respect and understand your opinion.But then this leads me to believe
that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place for a forum as
you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by the band to present
itself and its works to the public. A forum could contribute to this site
as an information-service, if the people contributing would really try to
use it for exchanging information. In our case, a majority of the posts
were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. It was
more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their disappointment. Please
ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to TD, how would you react
to the picture of the band that was created by the contributors to the
forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask yourself whether you´d
like this image of you to be projected unto the public on your own site.
Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the outside world, our
business partners, and the uninformed - after all, TDI is a business. And I
think you should do me justice here that there indeed were a lot of
postings to the forum that would counteract to this purpose.
And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself in Edgar´s shoes again
and try to see a majority of the postings to the forum from that viewpoint.
I think you would be highly personally offended by most of them - a
majority of the people claiming to do anything you do better than you do
and complaining about everything and anything. I, for my part, even felt
personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I don´t even play in the
band. I just work for them.
Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of speech is
fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one should not libel a
person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was part of the official
TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum as you imply.
I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join together and create your
own fan forum, where you can exchange and say whatever you want. We will
not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not care about the
contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors did not even respect
the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a forum can haveno place there.
Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither
endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands?
I hope that this time I managed to get my point accross without offending
anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to offend you guys - really
- you know that I always try to keep good relations with all of you (how
many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . But re.
the forum enough is enough and my patience was really tested sufficiently
in the past few weeks.
As I said, we have nothing against any one of you taking initiative to
create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we will leave it alone -
you have the freedom to voice your opinions and create the forum for doing
so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is closed and unfortunately
all of the reactions towards the closing of the forum , both the positive
(there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, who were very unhappy
with the contents of the forum) and the negative are confirming this point.
This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As I said, I hope I
haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be counterproductive to my point.
>
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
>
>
>PS. Is Darth Vader (latest guest book entry) Edgar?
>
No... it´s Me (heavy breathing, deep voice)
;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 2:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
Fair enough.
Best regards,
jonnyboy.
--- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote: >
> >
> >I will continue to support TD and purchase and
> listen
> >their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels.
> But
> >your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Jonathan/jonnyboy
> >
> Dear Jonathan and list,
>
> I respect and understand your opinion.But then this
> leads me to believe
> that maybe the official TD-page might not be the
> right place for a forum as
> you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by
> the band to present
> itself and its works to the public. A forum could
> contribute to this site
> as an information-service, if the people
> contributing would really try to
> use it for exchanging information. In our case, a
> majority of the posts
> were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I
> dislike that'. It was
> more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their
> disappointment. Please
> ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to
> TD, how would you react
> to the picture of the band that was created by the
> contributors to the
> forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask
> yourself whether you´d
> like this image of you to be projected unto the
> public on your own site.
>
> Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the
> outside world, our
> business partners, and the uninformed - after all,
> TDI is a business. And I
> think you should do me justice here that there
> indeed were a lot of
> postings to the forum that would counteract to this
> purpose.
>
> And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself
> in Edgar´s shoes again
> and try to see a majority of the postings to the
> forum from that viewpoint.
> I think you would be highly personally offended by
> most of them - a
> majority of the people claiming to do anything you
> do better than you do
> and complaining about everything and anything. I,
> for my part, even felt
> personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I
> don´t even play in the
> band. I just work for them.
>
> Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates:
> Freedom of speech is
> fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that
> one should not libel a
> person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was
> part of the official
> TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum
> as you imply.
>
> I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join
> together and create your
> own fan forum, where you can exchange and say
> whatever you want. We will
> not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not
> care about the
> contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors
> did not even respect
> the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a
> forum can haveno place there.
>
> Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public
> forum that is neither
> endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not
> care about into your hands?
>
> I hope that this time I managed to get my point
> accross without offending
> anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to
> offend you guys - really
> - you know that I always try to keep good relations
> with all of you (how
> many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine
> Tree go by?) . But re.
> the forum enough is enough and my patience was
> really tested sufficiently
> in the past few weeks.
>
> As I said, we have nothing against any one of you
> taking initiative to
> create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we
> will leave it alone -
> you have the freedom to voice your opinions and
> create the forum for doing
> so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is
> closed and unfortunately
> all of the reactions towards the closing of the
> forum , both the positive
> (there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans,
> who were very unhappy
> with the contents of the forum) and the negative are
> confirming this point.
>
> This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As
> I said, I hope I
> haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be
> counterproductive to my point.
>
> >
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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> removed]
>
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar's song
On Thursday 05 December 2002 8:17 pm, Marion Horrod wrote:
> Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's starting
> to look?
Yes, it is uncanny. It was my girlfriend's first reaction on seeing
Edgar.
--
Dennis
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: The Gulch/Froese connection
I said:
>Has anybody else noticed how much like Nick Nolte Edgar's
>starting to look?
And Stephe said 'Yeah. Your point?'
None, merely an observation. I suppose for some women it makes him more
fanciable, but I never went much for NN.
Then Stephe said
'For another chuckle along the same
lines, visit http://thekeep.0catch.com/brothers.htm Hee hee.'
Can't see it myself, but then Steven's an eccentric artist and I'm just me!
LnH
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
On Friday 06 December 2002 2:04 pm, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of
> speech is fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one
> should not libel a person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was
> part of the official TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public
> forum as you imply.
Well, there you are - unfortunately, you will never succeed in making
clear to people that what you say and the way in which you say it are
two different things sometimes. The right of freedom of speech (i.e.,
to communicate your opinions freely in an open forum) will always be
used by a small number of individuals as a justification for rude,
personal, puerile and hurting tirades. This is why freedom of speech
is such a complicated thing to implement.
I don't blame anyone for regarding the forum as a failed experiment.
In fact, I never looked at it because I doubted all along that it
would turn into anything but the thing it did turn into. Staying
tucked away in this discussion group with Martin as the middle man, I
suspect, may even *reduce* the likelihood of abuse compared to a
forum on the band's own web site.
--
Dennis
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:40
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD forum
Martin tries to paint this as a black-and-white situation.
Anyone who confronts TD for their mislabeling of concerts and recordings
and outright fraud in several cases is apparently a juvenile.
And anyone who questions TD's refusal to release concerts is excommunicated
from the TD church, considered to not be a 'true believer' (diehard fan
that will buy any rerelease put in front of him).
I knew this forum was going to fail because TD is not willing to accept the
truth with the praise.
Finally, I am insulted when you say that 90% of what we have stated is
misinformation. Actually, much of the information TD puts out is
misinformation. Albums are routinely mislabeled. So when you have a new TD
fan who comes in and starts talking about an album, those of us who know
the facts have to come in and 'clean up the mess'. TD plays the mysterious
game and thinks it contributes to their music. I do not. I can know all the
details and still gain the same enjoyment from the material.
I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
albums and concerts.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:45
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD forum
>Martin posted:
>
>Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither
>endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your hands?
Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings,
but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy.
The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a high
profile so the whole forum dried up.
If there is an earnest desire for discussions about concerts where people
can get the 'dirt' on particular shows, we can try to resurrect my forum.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:49
pm
Subject: TD Forum
> > Martin K said:
> > Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of
> > speech is fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one
> > should not libel a person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was
> > part of the official TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public
> > forum as you imply.
>
>Dennis Nigbur said:
>Well, there you are - unfortunately, you will never succeed in making
>clear to people that what you say and the way in which you say it are
>two different things sometimes. The right of freedom of speech (i.e.,
>to communicate your opinions freely in an open forum) will always be
>used by a small number of individuals as a justification for rude,
>personal, puerile and hurting tirades. This is why freedom of speech
>is such a complicated thing to implement.
I can't argue here. I think there are people on the TD Forum who did need
their wings clipped. It is one thing to say 'I am not a huge fan of TD's
current direction--I wish they would look into virtual analog/analog
modeling and creating new sounds' and a totally different thing to be
insulting.
I would not tolerate insulting people (and I know I have been insulting
before) sticking around on my forum for very long.
>Dennis Nigbur said:
>I don't blame anyone for regarding the forum as a failed experiment.
>In fact, I never looked at it because I doubted all along that it
>would turn into anything but the thing it did turn into.
Did you look at the forum?
This was the first source of information from people receiving the Melrose
boxed set and info about the Astoria gig. The responses to both were
definitely mixed, some harsh comments, some positive comments.
-Morgan
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From:
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: well, I THINK I am back.....
Lets try this again,
I believe I have FINALLY fixed what has been happening to my e-mails. And I
even tested it. So if there were any e-mails sent directly to me that I need
to respond to, please re-send them at this time.
Doug, received the package and cannot wait to dig in and listen to them.
Think I may just offer the originals on list when I can, if that is OK with
you???
It is good to be back....I think.
Neal
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
What a pity that this had to come to past.
Hopefully TDI Music will still answer questions and post current news
concerning TD.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote:
>It's still there, for what it's worth.
>I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf
>ears/eyes.
>
>http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum
>
>Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs
>and maybe we'll get some more chat here?!
Dear Jonathan & List,
the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we give
the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people
would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's
guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly.
What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the
guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to have
not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able
to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90%
deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous
comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need.
... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher all
the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do.
Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and
any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the
removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be
removed ASAP.
And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel I
deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract
against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and
childish remarks about their person ... ;-)
How about opening your own forum?
the sites:
-www.tdsucks.com
-www.IhateTD.com
and
-www.edgarisaw...ker.com
are still free.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
The shifting of sand for the gems effect?
I did too. Just overlook the stupid stuff. I did find some of the posts
informative.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum
> I just agree that I also skipped over many of the foolish threads in the
> forum, but there was usually something worthwhile buried in the
> conversation. I thought the reason for the registration was so that admin
> could easily block the participation of the offending parties (perhaps
not).
> For better or worse, probably did increase web-traffic, but they may not
be
> a good thing if visitors see negative information. I may be rambing a
bit,
> but I just woke up.
>
> MJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:46 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
> >
> >
> >
> > > However, I do not agree with some of the comments
> > >of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the
> > majority of so-called
> > >TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me
angry
> > >because it is complete b*llshit.
> >
> > *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually only
> > meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be
> > closed in the
> > first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom.
> >
> > Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I did
not
> > want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep frustration.
> >
> > Peace and love.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Martin Kasprzak
> > TDI- Music- Support.
> > Tel:-49-30-23620995
> > Fax:-49-30-23620996
> >
> > Visit our Website at:
> >
> > http://www.tangerinedream.org
> >
> >
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
It's not like I can't see his point. That is why I haven't told him that I
am past 4th grade. I saw one of his other post where he(Martin) said he
might have gone a bit over the edge with those comments.
Jan, you are right... He might need a bit of the warm fuzzy.
I am just sad to see another good idea turned into something other than
intended. But such is the world.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
> WOOOOOOWW..........I think Martin here, is in dire need of a hug and some
> good vibes....................
>
> I can't say I disagree with you Martin, but it came out very
> hard.............
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
>
>
> At 21:19 05.12.02, you wrote:
> >It's still there, for what it's worth.
> >I posted a plea to Admin. I hope it won't fall on deaf
> >ears/eyes.
> >
> >http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=forum
> >
> >Until then, we'll have to pull out a few more chairs
> >and maybe we'll get some more chat here?!
>
> Dear Jonathan & List,
>
> the forum was an experiment. We wanted to see what will happen when we
give
> the fans a vehicle to chat and exchange. We wanted to see whether people
> would behave in a more decent fashion than they did on the old website's
> guestbook when we give them the forum that they were craving for so badly.
>
> What did we get? The same amount of kindergarten-behavior as on the
> guestbook, thus proving that the majority of so-called TD-fans seem to
have
> not matured since the 4th grade. You guys say you want a forum to be able
> to exchange INFORMATION among fans. Well... a forum that consists of 90%
> deliberate misinformation by wise-a..es, childish flame wars and libelous
> comments towards the band will hardly satisfy this need.
>
> ... and it is a friggin´ pain in the a.. to have to play school-teacher
all
> the time. Frankly stated, I feel I have better things to do.
>
> Edgar, Jerome and I consider the experiment a failure. Case closed. ...and
> any remarks regarding the link to the forum, any complaints/pleas on the
> removal of the forum or any inflamatory remarks to the guest book will be
> removed ASAP.
>
> And all you loudmouths who now call me a who-knows-what because they feel
I
> deprived them of their toy are free to start flaming. I will counteract
> against this by spamming their guest books with false, libelous and
> childish remarks about their person ... ;-)
>
> How about opening your own forum?
> the sites:
> -www.tdsucks.com
> -www.IhateTD.com
> and
> -www.edgarisaw...ker.com
> are still free.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
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>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
A side note. In some of the other lists (EM) there was a few post referring
to removal of some negative posts. The majority of the comments posted in
that thread was why and free speech etc. I pretty much feel like you that
it's the admin's job to keep what they feel are important (censor as
needed). The other comments can be directed in email or do your own forum
and post like you feel. (Similar to start your own newspaper if you don't
like what you read).(I a comment I added to those threads in other lists.)
If I had to take sides, I would side with Martin. I would not go along with
all of his comments as a whole. He did post a note saying he might had over
stated it a bit. The site is TD's. It there to promote TD. It also served to
give us a bit more information about TD.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Stephen Manship'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:13 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: TD forum
> Hi Martin (and all),
>
> It's my first post on this group, but I have been reading for a year
> or two.
>
> I share your frustration, and was getting a lot out of the forum. I
> am wondering though who caused the failure of the forum. Reading
> through the posts, there were many that were negative, but many more
> that were positive. Yes, some became personal, and others were
> inaccurate, but surely it is Admin's job to weed the chaff from the
> wheat? It is not being a schoolteacher; it is being a forum
> administrator.
>
> When joining, there were no end of guide-lines and rules, and
> warnings of exclusion. Were any individuals sent warnings? Why were
> the offenders not barred?
>
> With a band that has been going for 35 years, it is inevitable that
> there will be a massive range of fans, especially for a band which
> has changed its colours so many times, and it will be inevitable that
> some banter (I prefer this word to 'bickering') will occur. I still
> maintain (further to a post I made on the forum) that a lot of what
> was said should have been read in good humour. I simply cannot
> understand how bad tempers can prevail in the context of Tangerine
> Dream.
>
> However, I acknowledge that any forum will attract some people who
> cannot restrain their vindictive personalities, and I agree that
> there were instances where the line was crossed from amusing banter
> to insulting behaviour (both against the band and other members). It
> just seems a huge shame that they have been allowed to deprive the
> others of what was turning into a very entertaining and informative
> forum.
>
> Kind regards to all,
>
> Stephen Manship (AKA billythefish / mudspanker... don't ask)
>
> PS. Is Darth Vader (latest guest book entry) Edgar?
>
>
> > *OK, I agree, Heiko... I went a bit over the edge, here. I actually
> only
> > meant this to be directed at those who caused the forum to be
> closed in the
> > first part. Not at you, nor at a majority of the TD-fandom.
> >
> > Anyhow, it was good of you to give me a damper there, methinks. I
> did not
> > want to offend anybody. I just wanted to express my deep
> frustration.
> >
> > Peace and love.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Martin Kasprzak
> > TDI- Music- Support.
> > Tel:-49-30-23620995
> > Fax:-49-30-23620996
> >
> > Visit our Website at:
> >
> > http://www.tangerinedream.org
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
Morgan said :
>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
> albums and concerts
What about the other 158 hours?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:40 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD forum
> Martin tries to paint this as a black-and-white situation.
>
> Anyone who confronts TD for their mislabeling of concerts and recordings
> and outright fraud in several cases is apparently a juvenile.
>
> And anyone who questions TD's refusal to release concerts is
excommunicated
> from the TD church, considered to not be a 'true believer' (diehard fan
> that will buy any rerelease put in front of him).
>
> I knew this forum was going to fail because TD is not willing to accept
the
> truth with the praise.
>
> Finally, I am insulted when you say that 90% of what we have stated is
> misinformation. Actually, much of the information TD puts out is
> misinformation. Albums are routinely mislabeled. So when you have a new TD
> fan who comes in and starts talking about an album, those of us who know
> the facts have to come in and 'clean up the mess'. TD plays the mysterious
> game and thinks it contributes to their music. I do not. I can know all
the
> details and still gain the same enjoyment from the material.
>
> I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
> albums and concerts.
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 5:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
...you need these for Klaus Schulze... ;-)
a.
Administrator wrote:
> Morgan said :
>
>>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
>>albums and concerts
>>
>
> What about the other 158 hours?
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:40 AM
> Subject: [tadream] TD forum
>
>
>
>>Martin tries to paint this as a black-and-white situation.
>>
>>Anyone who confronts TD for their mislabeling of concerts and recordings
>>and outright fraud in several cases is apparently a juvenile.
>>
>>And anyone who questions TD's refusal to release concerts is
>>
> excommunicated
>
>>from the TD church, considered to not be a 'true believer' (diehard fan
>>that will buy any rerelease put in front of him).
>>
>>I knew this forum was going to fail because TD is not willing to accept
>>
> the
>
>>truth with the praise.
>>
>>Finally, I am insulted when you say that 90% of what we have stated is
>>misinformation. Actually, much of the information TD puts out is
>>misinformation. Albums are routinely mislabeled. So when you have a new TD
>>fan who comes in and starts talking about an album, those of us who know
>>the facts have to come in and 'clean up the mess'. TD plays the mysterious
>>game and thinks it contributes to their music. I do not. I can know all
>>
> the
>
>>details and still gain the same enjoyment from the material.
>>
>>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
>>albums and concerts.
>>
>>-Morgan
>>
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From:
'Stephen Manship'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:16
pm
Subject: Re: TD forum
BTF:- See comments below:-
Dear Jonathan and list,
>
> I respect and understand your opinion.But then this leads me to
believe that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place
for a forum as you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by
the band to present itself and its works to the public. A forum could
contribute to this site as an information-service, if the people
contributing would really try to use it for exchanging information.
In our case, a majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I
dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. It was more of a vent for
frustrated souls to unleash their disappointment. Please ask yourself
the question: if you were a newbie to TD, how would you react to the
picture of the band that was created by the contributors to the
forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask yourself whether
you´d like this image of you to be projected unto the public on
your
own site.
BTF:- This is an excellent point (sorry if this sounds patronising).
The main site gets FAR more visitors than this site. What is said
there has major ramifications. The classic was when loig7 asked:
'hi, if I had to buy one -or two- TD albums, which one(s) would you
guys recommend ? a film soundtrack, maybe ?
Merci. '
The immediate response was a complete deluge of 'my favourite is...'
which we had only just had on another topic which he had no doubt
already read. I felt very sorry for the guy and tried to post what I
thought would be more academic: i.e. an album that made the band; a
typical soundtrack; an album that took them to where they are now...
Some people were not aware of what was asked, who could have been
reading, who were watching, and just how important that site was.
(In fact the best answer was to try the juke box at the top of the
page!)
Perhaps there should be a continuous poll of favourite albums on the
site (no repeat votes allowed...)
>
> Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the outside world,
our
> business partners, and the uninformed - after all, TDI is a
business. And I
> think you should do me justice here that there indeed were a lot of
> postings to the forum that would counteract to this purpose.
> And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself in Edgar´s
shoes again
> and try to see a majority of the postings to the forum from that
viewpoint.
> I think you would be highly personally offended by most of them - a
> majority of the people claiming to do anything you do better than
you do
> and complaining about everything and anything. I, for my part, even
felt
> personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I don´t even
play
in the
> band. I just work for them.
BTF:- I only was a member of the forum for the last couple of months,
so maybe I didn't get to know the main contributors to the extent
that admin, Martin and the Froeses did... but I still stress that I
read 'the majority' of what was written in good humour... I cannot
believe that a lot of what was written was not 'tongue-in-cheek'. If
I am wrong, then it is really gutting to think that the band and
their employees would be hurt, and it only goes to re-inforce my
earlier point that some people should have been excluded, or at the
very least publicly corrected (as happened with the T-shirt pricing
atrocity - I think they're great value, as are the CDs).
> Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of
speech is
> fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one should not
libel a
> person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was part of the
official
> TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum as you imply.
> I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join together and
create your
> own fan forum, where you can exchange and say whatever you want. We
will
> not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not care about the
> contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors did not even
respect
> the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a forum can haveno
place there.
>
> Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that
is
neither
> endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into
your hands?
BTF:- It is a great shame that this can't happen on the official
site, as it will be read by only a fraction of the people. I will
really miss hearing about the Tangram shaped wedding cake (who was
that...???) or the way people discovered the band / and I was so
close to having Inferno (and the like) being explained to me.
However, I reluctantly admit that unless there is a full-time
moderator who will ruthlessly police the posts (which appears to be
against the band's philosophy), then the forum will not be
appropriate to the official site.
>
> I hope that this time I managed to get my point accross without
offending
> anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to offend you guys -
really
> - you know that I always try to keep good relations with all of you
(how
> many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) .
But re.
> the forum enough is enough and my patience was really tested
sufficiently
> in the past few weeks.
>
> As I said, we have nothing against any one of you taking initiative
to
> create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we will leave it
alone -
> you have the freedom to voice your opinions and create the forum
for doing
> so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is closed and
unfortunately
> all of the reactions towards the closing of the forum , both the
positive
> (there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, who were very
unhappy
> with the contents of the forum) and the negative are confirming
this point.
>
> This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As I said, I hope
I
> haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be
counterproductive
to my point.
BTF:- Certainly not Darth!
>
> >
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Nolte / Froese Connection (was Re: Edgar's song)
coldwatercanyon wrote:
>
> I will have to imagine how Edgar without moustache really looks.
You don't need to imagine. You only need to watch the 'Edgar's Song'
video.
Antonio Nunes
np: Under the Dome - Bellerophon
From:
'Sean Montgomery'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:32
pm
Subject: Re: TD forum
So, Mister Kasprzak...we meet again...
(I actually spoke to Martin on the phone earlier this week, regarding
my order for the Melrose Years - not knowing that the forum link was
about to be yanked offline)
I'm not sure what to make of this whole situation. First of all, I'd
like to know exactly what the straw was that broke the forum's back.
Reading through the last few topics, I don't see anything advocating
violence against the band, or even slandering them. There were,
however, some negative words about The Melrose Years set. So was that
it?
I don't understand why TD can't see fan criticism as a benefit, rather
than the whinings of little children. I said it before, I'll say it
again now. Successful businesses listen to their customers.
Complaints identify ways in which you can improve; build customer
loyalty; generate more sales. Martin, you say: 'In our case, a
majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and
'I dislike that'. Well...perhaps that's a sign that there are some
problems that needs to be addressed? Again...it's not like there's a
pack of marauders loose in the TDI camp, trying to bring it
down...these are the voices of your most loyal fans, and if you won't
listen to them, what kind of message does *that* send to newbies?
And I'm not talking about fans who complain about TD's musical
direction. I refer to complaints about the way in which the band's
music is released and marketed. TDI's strategy seems to be to 'front
load' sales of new releases...get a few hundred copies out the door in
the first week or so. No one is allowed to hear them (no sound
samples). No one can tell if they're even what they purport to be.
All we get are a few track titles, and the words 'Tangerine' and
'Dream' on the cover. Now, I understand that in the age of MP3s, a
band has to be creative to sell product. But this is a strategy that
will fail in the long term, because the more fans that feel down, the
fewer who will buy future releases. Look, I download a lot of music
these days, but I have continued to support TDI when it released a
good product - like Antique Dreams, DM3, Mars Polaris. That's all you
have to do.
I'm sad to have to say these things. TD built a lot of loyalty with
me, thanks to the original Quinoa CD, and the Easter Island contest.
Those were wonderful gestures which have not been forgotten.
Unfortunately, keeping a good relationship going involves ongoing
effort. If I may use a silly metaphor, it's about doing housework;
and opening doors for your partner, not just buying them a fancy
necklace once in a while.
Anyway, TDI's position regarding criticism has been consistent, so I
don't expect my words to change anything. And, I'm sorry is I have
indeed offended the TDI crew with my rantings. In the end, I'm just
trying to help you guys, believe it or not.
From:
'Colin Jouxson'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 7:42
pm
Subject: Forum Closed
I will always love TD,theres nothing that can ever take that
away,first of all TD shut the Guestbook,that in my mind was petty,you
gave the fans a forum to speak their mind,now youve closed it.
Tangerine Dream,i have been an ardent fan of yours since 1979,but the
way you are conducting things at the moment is diabolical,i have
never been a critic of TD,but if you cant stand critics shut the
whole site down,there are people out there who spend huge amounts
gathering TD material,and dont give me that(if you dont like it dont
buy it crap)we TDfans are not brain dead un-intelligent clowns as no
doubt you think we are,i suggest you get off your high horse and open
up to the fans,youve lost thousands over the years,and the way you
are going you will not have any left.TD are without my fav band of
all time,but manners cost nothing,LIFE CAN go on.
Best regards to all fellow TD fans.
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:09
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #298
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RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer
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Redshift Siren part 4 Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift Siren part 5 Siren (Distant Sun)
Andy Pickford and Ramayana part 1 Ramayana (Neu Harmony)
Paul Nagle
Under the Dome Keto-Eno Tautomerism Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Under the Dome Nightfall Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Mike Andrews Tides of Time (Intro) Time & Science (Neu Harmony)
Mike Andrews Tides of Time (part 1) Time & Science (Neu Harmony)
Steve Roach All Is Now part 1 All Is Now (Timeroom Editions)
12:00 am
Jonn Serrie Gentle, The Night And the Stars Go With You (New
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Jonn Serrie Fantasy Passages And the Stars Go With You (New
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Jonn Serrie And the Stars Go With And the Stars Go With You (New
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Jonn Serrie Stratos And the Stars Go With You (New
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Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
> >I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
> > albums and concerts
>
>What about the other 158 hours?
>
>;-)
>
>dale
Man, just 10 hours? I can listen that in one day if I really put some effort
into it... (& weekend assumed)
Usually it's around 3-4 hours though.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
>I don't understand why TD can't see fan criticism as a benefit, rather
>than the whinings of little children. I said it before, I'll say it
>again now. Successful businesses listen to their customers.
>Complaints identify ways in which you can improve; build customer
>loyalty; generate more sales. Martin, you say: 'In our case, a
>majority of the posts were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and
>'I dislike that'. Well...perhaps that's a sign that there are some
>problems that needs to be addressed? Again...it's not like there's a
>pack of marauders loose in the TDI camp, trying to bring it
>down...these are the voices of your most loyal fans, and if you won't
>listen to them, what kind of message does *that* send to newbies?
That TD is a band that does music as they themselves wish - not as the
market (ie the current fans) wishes. Come on, TD's 90s output attracts
different sort of people than the 70s material; shouldn't the 00s (or
whatever they're called) be an equal transistion?
--Side note: Was anyone demanding more live releases in the 80s, when
classic 70s shows weren't avaivable even as bootlegs?
>And I'm not talking about fans who complain about TD's musical
>direction. I refer to complaints about the way in which the band's
>music is released and marketed. TDI's strategy seems to be to 'front
>load' sales of new releases...get a few hundred copies out the door in
>the first week or so. No one is allowed to hear them (no sound
>samples). No one can tell if they're even what they purport to be.
>All we get are a few track titles, and the words 'Tangerine' and
>'Dream' on the cover. Now, I understand that in the age of MP3s, a
>band has to be creative to sell product. But this is a strategy that
>will fail in the long term, because the more fans that feel down, the
>fewer who will buy future releases. Look, I download a lot of music
>these days, but I have continued to support TDI when it released a
>good product - like Antique Dreams, DM3, Mars Polaris. That's all you
>have to do.
I'm not going to buy a 30 € pig in a poke, so I'm just going to wait until
the promised sound samples will be there, before I decide whether I do or do
not want the Melrose Years package.
Concerning lone albums... it's not that crucial. I'm not going to cry for
sound samples and walk by in agony if I'd see, let's say Near Dark for sale
somewhere. Not because it's rare (would do the same for Turn of the Tides
even though I have little idea what's it like) but because it's there and I
don't have it. Why should it be different for the new albums?
(well, this might also be because about every TD album, besides perhaps
Phaedra and Rubycon, is rare to come by here in Finland...)
Oh, and about the shutdown thingy; I've got no trauma. Except perhaps about
the Great Flood that seems to have struck here afterwards...
John Vertical (aka Remote)
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum
It's interesting how the medium can affect the message. For example, due to
the effect of immediacy, people may say different things or act differently
in an IRC chat as opposed to on a mailing list. Ironically, having a
cumbersome registration procedure actually helps weed out the 'trollers'.
The ratio of civility in a community to the willingness of members to spend
effort to join it is parabolic.
Even the function and structure of the medium itself can affect list
behavior. In past discussions here, we've compared the dynamics of
multiple-forum-style communities vs. e-mail-only communities.
Across the board (pun intended), regardless of the medium, the best online
communities police themselves - but a team of moderators helps. In fact,
I'd like to ask at this time if anyone here would like to help with the
tadream list to please contact me offlist. (joe@t...)
Actually, we are lucky to be a pretty civil, mature and relatively
low-maintenance community. It is due to the medium, the natural lifecycle
(see http://tadream.net/netiquet.htm#life), the character of the members,
personal accountability, plus our relative obscurity. Simply put,
tadream.com is way more visible than we are; the more hits, the more kooks.
;-)
Also, TD's music spreads such a wide swath across the musical spectrum, that
it invites equally widely-differing opinions to the same table. I think we
have a proportionately larger number of veteran die-hards here than in other
mediums. Vets have been down these old vitriolic discussion threads enough
times that they are less likely to occur today. Likewise, I think we have
on this list, a greater proportion of TD fans that enjoy that 'wider
swath' - they are more tolerant of the various TDstyles due to their
experience. How many threads have we had where people 'discover' TD music
that they didn't like before?
haha - Not that you asked. ;-)
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
..
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
...
> this is what happened again. However, I do not agree with some
> of the comments
> of your mail Martin, remarks like 'thus proving that the majority
> of so-called
> TD-fans seem to have not matured since the 4th grade' just make me angry
> because it is complete b*llshit.
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
yes I see ...
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
>
> ...you need these for Klaus Schulze... ;-)
>
> a.
>
> Administrator wrote:
>
> > Morgan said :
> >
> >>I love Tangerine Dream. I listen to maybe 10 hours a week of TD, both
> >>albums and concerts
> >>
> >
> > What about the other 158 hours?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > dale
From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:25
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD forum
Martin,
Has the group thought about setting up a separate site where the fans
Can vent their frustrations? This is just an idea that popped into
My head......
Robert Asmus
-----Original Message-----
From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...]
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:05 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
>
>I will continue to support TD and purchase and listen
>their music. I reaches me on all sorts of levels. But
>your last post here left a bad taste in my mouth.
>
>Regards,
>Jonathan/jonnyboy
>
Dear Jonathan and list,
I respect and understand your opinion.But then this leads me to believe
that maybe the official TD-page might not be the right place for a forum
as
you regard it. The TD-homepage is a place set up by the band to present
itself and its works to the public. A forum could contribute to this
site
as an information-service, if the people contributing would really try
to
use it for exchanging information. In our case, a majority of the posts
were 'this was wrong' and 'I dislike this' and 'I dislike that'. It was
more of a vent for frustrated souls to unleash their disappointment.
Please
ask yourself the question: if you were a newbie to TD, how would you
react
to the picture of the band that was created by the contributors to the
forum? And now put yourself in Edgars shoes and ask yourself whether
you´d
like this image of you to be projected unto the public on your own site.
Furthermore, we also have a profile to keep to the outside world, our
business partners, and the uninformed - after all, TDI is a business.
And I
think you should do me justice here that there indeed were a lot of
postings to the forum that would counteract to this purpose.
And, lastly, I would like to ask you to put yourself in Edgar´s shoes
again
and try to see a majority of the postings to the forum from that
viewpoint.
I think you would be highly personally offended by most of them - a
majority of the people claiming to do anything you do better than you do
and complaining about everything and anything. I, for my part, even felt
personally offended by a lot of them - and, heck, I don´t even play in
the
band. I just work for them.
Ans a word to all the 'freedom of speech'-advocates: Freedom of speech
is
fine but the rules of politeness should dictate that one should not
libel a
person in his or her own house. The TD Forum was part of the official
TD-site, and, thus, not that much of a public forum as you imply.
I therefore strongly suggest that all of you join together and create
your
own fan forum, where you can exchange and say whatever you want. We will
not have anything to do with it and will, thus, not care about the
contents. But in 'our house' the forum contributors did not even respect
the simplest rules of politeness, and thus such a forum can haveno place
there.
Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is
neither
endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your
hands?
I hope that this time I managed to get my point accross without
offending
anyone. Sorry, Heiko and Jonathan, never meant to offend you guys -
really
- you know that I always try to keep good relations with all of you (how
many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) . But
re.
the forum enough is enough and my patience was really tested
sufficiently
in the past few weeks.
As I said, we have nothing against any one of you taking initiative to
create your own forum. We will not endorse it but we will leave it alone
-
you have the freedom to voice your opinions and create the forum for
doing
so by your own initiative. For us, this chapter is closed and
unfortunately
all of the reactions towards the closing of the forum , both the
positive
(there were a lot of people, also diehard TD-fans, who were very unhappy
with the contents of the forum) and the negative are confirming this
point.
This are hopefully my last words on the subject. As I said, I hope I
haven´t offended anyone this time as it would be counterproductive to my
point.
>
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
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Fax:-49-30-23620996
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From:
tom george
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:37
am
Subject: The Melrose Years
I, too got my digipack today. signed copy number
297/1000. The artwork and layout is beautiful. I
have had one complete spin thru each disc and first
impressions are very good. The bonus tracks are also
nice. I will make a new song old song comparison
sometime in the near future. $30 plus $9 shipping.
A great deal I'd say.
Thanks TDI,
Tom
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From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 3:07
am
Subject: Re: Forum Closed
Just look a this (below):
.... and many more...
TD:- why are you taking it so hard??????
others:- Why aren't the abusive guys answering????? You have a lot to
answer for... (you should know who you are by now)...
Do you really mean what you say? Please tell us it was in jest...
-- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson'
wrote:
> I will always love TD,theres nothing that can ever take that
> away,first of all TD shut the Guestbook,that in my mind was
petty,you
> gave the fans a forum to speak their mind,now youve closed it.
> Tangerine Dream,i have been an ardent fan of yours since 1979,but
the
> way you are conducting things at the moment is diabolical,i have
> never been a critic of TD,but if you cant stand critics shut the
> whole site down,there are people out there who spend huge amounts
> gathering TD material,and dont give me that(if you dont like it
dont
> buy it crap)we TDfans are not brain dead un-intelligent clowns as
no
> doubt you think we are,i suggest you get off your high horse and
open
> up to the fans,youve lost thousands over the years,and the way you
> are going you will not have any left.TD are without my fav band of
> all time,but manners cost nothing,LIFE CAN go on.
> Best regards to all fellow TD fans.
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Subject: Re: [tadream] the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3
I got my TD Melrose pack thing today. I just finished
listening to Optical Race. It's ace! I couldn't hear
any sound probs. Sounds bloody good to me. Iris is a
goddess and I'll make her breakfast anytime while she
plays her bongos.
Cheers!
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Subject: Re: [tadream] the usual bitching and moaning while we're on the brink of WW3
Ok, so I finished listening to Lily On The Beach. Not
quite sure what Mr Hornby (like your trains, sir) did
on that one. BUT a good album. I haven't given it a
really good listen in quite a while but it's really
aged well. The re-recording is lovely. Iris bongos on
29 Palms are sublime. I shall make her dinner while
she sits out on the deck watching the long island
sunset, playing the bongos, tinkling her tinkly
percussion thing and then we'll play Who Wants To Be A
Millionaire (home edition).
Oh, don't look at me like that. It's been a long week.
The resequencing of LOTB is also very beneficial.
Just on track 3 of Melrose now...
I feel rather silly about being all doomy and gloomy
about getting this set... My ears love it.
Cheers!
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From:
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Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 5:03
am
Subject: melrose
desert train is still agh! i had to push on to the
next track at the 3minute mark...
the rest is lovely
oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the
box too - grr!
...
Good bongos by the one and only
simplydevineohwhenwillshebeminewellprobablynevercosIsmelllikebiscuits
Iris.
I think my wife may thump me...
It's normally quiet on the weekend here isn't it?
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 9:11
am
Subject: forum closed
My 2 cents worth:-
1 May be a forum needs a moderator outside of TDI who is a dedicated fan
like Morgan or Heiko but the forum to be on the TDI site. Then the 'fan' can
rigorously police the issues.
2 Try something like the Kiss on line site were questions are submitted and
answers given by Paul Stanley from time to time.
David
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 11:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
Jonathan Holt wrote:
>
> oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the
> box too - grr!
Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again
at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem?
Apart from that, I'm very happy with this set. Since I've received it, I
have played each disc at least 3 or 4 times. Does anyone know what is
the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on the front cover?
Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-)
Antonio Nunes
np: Melrose
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 12:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:52:51 +0000, Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
> Jonathan Holt wrote:
> >
> > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the
> > box too - grr!
>
> Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again
> at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem?
Same problem here. My cd player actually does not skip but you can hear
clearly 'scratches' in those parts. Sounds like a manufacturing-defective.
René
From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 12:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
At 11:52 7-12-02 +0000, you wrote:
>Jonathan Holt wrote:
> >
> > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the
> > box too - grr!
>
>Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and again
>at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem?
My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times.
But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync with the
music.
And is that a stylistic Santa+reindeer on top of the front cover?
I must say that I'm impressed by the sound quality of Melrose.
The music all comes very much alive.
Good and bright and reveals a lot of details that I have never heard before.
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
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NL-8203 AD Lelystad
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From:
'Alan Miller'
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
.......coming out of lurk mode to have my 2 cents worth........
Martin, I totally agree with the decision to close down the Forum. To be
honest this was always going to be an experiment that was doomed to fail.
Outside of the genuine posts (which were getting less in numbers) it gave
the self-opinionated, the sycophants and the downright malicious minded
people a place to spout out their nonsense. This happened to the Guest Book
on the old site and if it is allowed to stay up it will happen to the
present one - just look, it has already started.
There should be a place where TD fans and supporters can (in the most part)
debate the band and the music that they appreciate - that place for me is
here and my respect and grateful thanks go out to Joe for this. Over the
years this list has largely been self regulated in that posts that have
offended have met with rebuff, those that have contained misinformation have
been corrected and the sycophants have been ignored until they have gone
away. Basically this list works and is (IMHO) the perfect platform for the
likes of those who only want to share information and experiences that
relate to the band and their music.
I am positive that there are those among you that have a different view to
mine - and that's cool. It is a tough subject to debate as there is no
perfect solution. Hold up, I am in danger of being put in the
self-opinionated category...back into the shadows I go..crossing off the
days to February 15....dream on......
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
this leads me to believe that maybe the official TD-page might not be the
right place for a forum as you regard it.
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote:
>
> My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times.
> But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync with the
> music.
Yes, I guess that the word ticking describes it better. Maybe it's
intended, as you say. After all they've already added a few beeps on a
mix of Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix) from Dream Mixes 1. Listening
to those beeps, a friend of mine used to insist that the track was
faulty :-)
Anyway the ticking on Melrose is part of the audio. I've just extracted
the track to my PC using 'Exact Audio Copy'. In the end the program says
'Track quality 100% - No errors occurred' and yet the ticking is present
in the resulting WAV file. So, intended or not, the ticking is recorded
on the CD.
Antonio Nunes
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From:
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Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 2:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
At 02:41 PM 12/7/2002, you wrote:
>I've just extracted
>the track to my PC using 'Exact Audio Copy'. In the end the program says
>'Track quality 100% - No errors occurred' and yet the ticking is present
>in the resulting WAV file. So, intended or not, the ticking is recorded
>on the CD.
If the track is damaged, it could have also happened on the DAT mastertape. . .
Ramon
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 2:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
>Does anyone know what is
>the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on the front cover?
>Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-)
This is slightly unrelated, but what about the barcode and the number '2001'
on the cover of Hyperborea..? Even stranger.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Edgar's song
>John, the file is in 'wmv' (W)indows(M)edia(V)ideo format.
>This type, along with 'wma'-files (WindowsMediaAudio), are
>ment to be played with the Windows Media Player included
>with Windows OS. However, Microsoft has released the player
>for Mac's as well:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/mediaplayer/mediaplayer_default.asp
>
>Rolf
OK, thanks!
The video is very well done... hilarious.
John Vertical
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 4:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] melrose
Antonio- it skips at those places on my copy too.
Coincidence?
--- Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
> Jonathan Holt wrote:
> >
> > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of
> the
> > box too - grr!
>
> Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at
> 2:25 - 2:30 and again
> at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem?
>
> Apart from that, I'm very happy with this set. Since
> I've received it, I
> have played each disc at least 3 or 4 times. Does
> anyone know what is
> the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on
> the front cover?
> Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-)
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
> np: Melrose
>
>
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From:
'Gary Jenkins '
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: Melrose years
My signed copy arrived today early Christmas present from the wife. I
have not played all of it yet but what I have heard sounds
great,seems to be a fresher feel all round,excellent production apart
from the flore on Cool at Heart with the clicking in a couple of
places. I am pleased that The Back of Beyond has been included on
Melrose, it is good enough to have been included originally.
Overall very happy,also got Ricochet T Shirt I will have to wear it
to the Astoria, hoping for indian summer in Feb LOL
Cheers Gary
www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk
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From:
'sequentc'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 1:56
am
Subject: Track Order - Melrose Years 3CD-set re-recordings 2003.
I must comment I am well pleased with the new set - price, quality,
packaging and quantity of music on the CD's.......very nice! The only down
side for me is that packaging does not have index numbers next to the
tracks, which can make it difficult if you want to select a specific track!
I would be interested to know why the track order has been changed from the
original releases.
Ray H
From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:02
pm
Subject: The Melrose Years
Hi, Everyone!
For those of you who have received your CDs in the USA... ...how long
did it take you to get them?
Thanks!
...Utch (who can't wait to hear what he's been reading about!)
--------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
After twelve years of therapy my psychiatrist said something that brought tears
to my eyes. He said, 'No hablo ingles.' --Ronnie Shakes
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:12
pm
Subject: SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR PART II? (was melrose)
On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:33:22 +0100 Falcon writes:
>If the track is damaged, it could have also happened on the DAT
>mastertape. . .
SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR PART II? Honestly,
this outfit ought to get its act together. A real record
company wouldn't let stuff like this happen.
>Ramon
Steven Feldman
From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:27
pm
Subject: Alright, enough complaining, time for some praise
I received my copy of the Melrose Years late yesterday...and all this
griping I've done recently actually had me hesitating to take off the
wrap. Isn't that terrible? Well, thankfully that moment of doubt
passed, because the 'reworkings' are pretty good, for the most part.
Which should encourage me to shut my mouth in the future, when it
comes to pre-judging new TD releases before I get to hear them
(although I still think TDI should have offered sound samples!).
The new additions don't rescue tracks that I didn't like before
(although the title track 'Optical Race' is actually *somewhat*
listenable now, and Yucatan has been much improved), but they don't
ruin my favourite tracks (Mothers of Rain, Mount Shasta, Three Bikes
in the Sky). In fact, they make my favourite pieces better.
It doesn't sound like the whole thing was re-recorded from scratch
(the voices are pretty much all the same, and some tracks haven't been
changed much at all)...but the additional parts threaded into the
background provide a richer sonic atmosphere, and aren't the
Frankstein's monster that many previous revisions have been. Iris'
percussion parts work in most cases...although not every piece called
out for bongos. It would have been nice to have heard other kinds
of acoustic percussion as well, in place of drum machines. Mark
Hornby's guitar additions, probably because I'm just not used to them,
feel a bit tacked on, and not integral parts of the songs. The whole
thing will take some getting used to, but as I said, my overall
impression is positive.
As for the new tracks...Ruling the Waves prior identity as 'Ivory
Town', from the I-Box, has already been discussed here on the list.
And this is a real shame, since it certainly deserved to be cut from
the album in the first place. I was hoping they'd have included a
piece from the 1988 tours...specifically, the part known as
'Coronation'. Pearl River is pretty unremarkable..but for the TD
completist, it's a full 6:05 of new material, I guess. The Back of
Beyond, I do indeed recognize as being a piece from the 1990
tours...and this one is a very nice addition.
I have that 'skipping' sound on Cool at Heart too...and it's clearly
part of the recording, although it sure does sound like a skip!
Like most TDI releases, I don't care for the cover art (sorry,
Edgar). One thing I really liked about the Private Music albums was
their well-designed covers.
So anyway, I'm glad I picked up a copy...let it not be said that I
never have anything to positive to say about TD. This is a decent
release, and I'm glad I got a copy.
One question...why is J Froese listed as one of the original composers
on Optical Race? Is this for Iv...sorry, Ruling the Waves, or was he
a ghost writer on the album? And who's Jack Liberty...I haven't heard
that name before. And what happened to Hubert Waldner, who originally
got a credit for Lily on the Beach? Okay, so that's three
questions...
From:
'Hilary Wright '
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 7:25
pm
Subject: Melrose Years
My copy arrived today. I've sampled all three CDs.
First, I think the sound quality is superb. Its crystal clear and you
can hear new things in the music that weren't apparant before.
Second, the packaging is great.
Third, the quality of the t-shirt is very good.
Fourth, the 'ticking' in 'cool at heart' is intentional I think.
In short, I am very pleased with this set and consider the money well
spent.
I've been following the 'Forum' discussion and have to say that I
agree with Martin and the band. Some of the comments posted to the
forum were well over the line of politeness and decency and respect
for a band that has produced great music for well over 3 decades. That
is what makes this forum (Tadream) so democratic and self regulating.
As Joe said, the forum is self regulating because the majority of
members have taken a concious descision to be members and are long
time TD 'fans'.
Hilary
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 9:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Melrose Years
I'm in Ontario, ordered my 11/25, was processed 11/29,
shipped 12/02 and arrived 12/05. Good for this time of
year!
--- Utch Entel wrote: > Hi,
Everyone!
>
> For those of you who have received your CDs in the
> USA... ...how long
> did it take you to get them?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...Utch (who can't wait to hear what he's been
> reading about!)
>
>
> --------------- Tear and crumple after reading
> ---------------
>
> After twelve years of therapy my psychiatrist said
> something that brought tears to my eyes. He said,
> 'No hablo ingles.' --Ronnie Shakes
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 12:35
am
Subject: Re: TD forum
Sean wrote:
'Successful businesses listen to their customers.'
Yes, but they don't issue them with a megaphone and invite them to stand
outside the store and broadcast their complaints to potential customers.
I think Martin's right, and the TDI site is not the place for a forum,
however severely moderated. Far better to 'eavesdrop' by having a presence
in places like this. But it does make a good impression (IMO of course) to
point people at places where they _can_ get infomation and unmoderated
opinion (for example, a link to the webring) making it clear that this is
neither controlled nor endorsed by TDI.
There are better ways to invite and respond to feedback than wading through
a lot of forum entries (especially as a substantial majority of items on
any forum seem to boil down to 'I love/hate it' (whatever 'it' may be)
without any 'because...', which is where the really useful information is
in customer feedback). Also, it seems to me (Martin, correct me if I'm
wrong) that TDI are just not staffed at a level where they can respond to
the feedback they do get, or to our incessant demands for information,
whether they want to or not.
Of course for a modest consultancy fee (or even benefits in kind) I could
be persuaded to give them some advice on creating systems that would take a
lot of the work out of inviting, managing, and responding to, feedback and
requests for information .
Sean did, however, hit the nail on the head when he said:
'Complaints identify ways in which you can improve; build customer
loyalty; generate more sales.......if you won't
listen to them, what kind of message does *that* send ...'
It seems to me that here is a big part of the problem. People feel (whether
justified or not) that they are not being heard. You can build a lot of
customer satisfaction by just showing that you're listening. You don't even
have to change anything to improve people's perception, although it helps
if you explain why you're not going to. People need to feel that their
carefully thought out notes on what is wrong, and why, have not just
disappeared into a black hole unregarded.
LnH (with an extra special hug for Maartin who is obviously feeling
beleagured but at least has the good grace to apologise when he goes over
the top)
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 1:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
Hello all,
I have seen alot said on this subject and I have deleted alot of it
without reading it.
I have to say that both Marion and Martin have brought up some good points.
Now it is my turn.
I remember seeing the old TD guestbook turn into a conversation place
as well as a piss and moan club. And it now seems we have the same thing in
the new forum. If people want to carry on conversations take it to personal
e-mail or mIRC or even a group like this. Stop wasting the site owners
bandwidth and hard drive space. The same goes for the piss and moan club
memebers.
As an observer of all of this I think we really have some people who
need to get a life.
Let TD get on with bigger and better things and quit whining and pissing
and moaning about the forum. Get on with your lives.
My few cents worth,
THE HIGHLANDER
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:54
am
Subject: Re: TD forum
>Marion Horrod said:
>
>People feel (whether
>justified or not) that they are not being heard. You can build a lot of
>customer satisfaction by just showing that you're listening. You don't even
>have to change anything to improve people's perception, although it helps
>if you explain why you're not going to. People need to feel that their
>carefully thought out notes on what is wrong, and why, have not just
>disappeared into a black hole unregarded.
They're listening, they're just not going to change direction in the
slightest to meet customer requests. If this were about customer
satisfaction, there would be a 30 CD boxed set of unmolested concert tapes.
But it's not. It's artists/musicians who have their own tilt on how the
world should turn and they make their own decisions in a vacuum.
I learned to accept that pretty recently. TD is not going to release these
concerts. EVER. So we have to clean up as best we can the better tapes that
were made by fans oh-so-many years ago.
The more we see fiascos like recycling an i-box (itself a travesty) track
on the Melrose box, the more I realize that the well-informed TD fans on
this list are not the primary customer of these releases.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:59
am
Subject: Re: TD Forum
>Robert Grabowsky said:
>
>I remember seeing the old TD guestbook turn into a conversation place
>as well as a piss and moan club. And it now seems we have the same thing in
>the new forum. If people want to carry on conversations take it to personal
>e-mail or mIRC or even a group like this. Stop wasting the site owners
>bandwidth and hard drive space. The same goes for the piss and moan club
>memebers.
If all it's going to be is *I love TD*, *I love Ground Liftaz* *kiss*
*smooch* *lick* then just delete the Forum because that is boring. TD
already knows they have a lot of fans. They can look at sales figures and
see that. The forum is so people can share/exchange information about the
often-mysterious TD. We help people make sense of the labeling and details
of TD's releases and talk about what we wish TD would release in the faint
hope that they might, in a moment of weakness, do what we beg...
A forum, just like this country, is no good without the positives AND the
negatives.
I include myself in the category of people that you and others on this list
have been talking about lately.
-Morgan
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
Well if you want to beat a dead horse back to life... My hat goes out to you
Morgan. I can't believe the punishment you take!
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD forum
>Martin posted:
>
>Morgan, why don´t you take the creation of a public forum that is neither
>endorsed nor controlled by us and that we will not care about into your
hands?
Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings,
but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy.
The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a high
profile so the whole forum dried up.
If there is an earnest desire for discussions about concerts where people
can get the 'dirt' on particular shows, we can try to resurrect my forum.
-Morgan
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:52
am
Subject: I'm back too!
Hi guys and gals
just a note to you saying i finally got the P4 2.5ghz Pc,
however at the cost of my address book contacts-the file saved to CDR was
currupted and wouldn't import!!
PAulus.d
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:36
pm
Subject: [tadream] Cool at Heart
Hi all,
I'm sorry but I'm not convinced that the skipping on this track is just
ticking - sounds like a faulty master to me which has been transmitted to
all 1000 copies (normal when it's manufactured 'en masse').
All comments about the dead forum aside, in Martin's own words TDI is a
business and all businesses I know that produce a faulty product either
recall them and/or offer replacements free of charge...(usually on return of
the faulty product however). The problem is, nobody is going to want to
return their copies because they're all signed by Edgar and Jerome (in fact,
is that true, or was it just the first few hundred? I have copy 68/1000)
and hand numbered!
Maybe there will be another production run of the set in standard packaging
for the shops? If not, then I think there is a case for reprinting just
disc 3 for those who ask for replacements...
Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays properly rather than a
limited edition dud...anybody have any suggestions/views?
Paul
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart
Paul, I am convinced it is the disk skipping - I can
see the time-index numbers jump if I play it on my PC
or on my cd player! I think mailing of a new Melrose
cd would be in order from TDI.
I have copy # 122 btw.
Does anyone with the new set NOT have the skip/tick on
Cool At Heart?
Martin K - any comments?
Regards,
jonnyboy.
--- Paul Fellows wrote: >
Hi all,
>
> I'm sorry but I'm not convinced that the skipping on
> this track is just
> ticking - sounds like a faulty master to me which
> has been transmitted to
> all 1000 copies (normal when it's manufactured 'en
> masse').
>
> All comments about the dead forum aside, in Martin's
> own words TDI is a
> business and all businesses I know that produce a
> faulty product either
> recall them and/or offer replacements free of
> charge...(usually on return of
> the faulty product however). The problem is, nobody
> is going to want to
> return their copies because they're all signed by
> Edgar and Jerome (in fact,
> is that true, or was it just the first few hundred?
> I have copy 68/1000)
> and hand numbered!
>
> Maybe there will be another production run of the
> set in standard packaging
> for the shops? If not, then I think there is a case
> for reprinting just
> disc 3 for those who ask for replacements...
>
> Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays
> properly rather than a
> limited edition dud...anybody have any
> suggestions/views?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:17
pm
Subject: photos/purple haze
Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality
photos of TD when they were especially scary looking
(I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my
screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade?
BTW While looking through the TD website I saw a photo
of Jerome F And Janey Klimek recording a vocal version
of Purple Haze (with UNRELEASED in the caption).
...So has anyone heard it?
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
Morgan,
I think you really missed what I was trying to say. I know we need the
good with the bad, but some people really got carried away. They also had
little flame wars there. It just got ridiculous. Just like our list gets
sometimes.
I remeber some words that I said that were meant for the list getting
changed and being posted to the guestbook, which I was not happy about.
I just think all the pissing and moaning about the forum being shut down
needs to end. TD is going to do what they want, it is their site.
So people just need to move on and deal with it.
Robert
From:
Falcon
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart
At 05:13 PM 12/8/2002, you wrote:
>Paul, I am convinced it is the disk skipping - I can
>see the time-index numbers jump if I play it on my PC
>or on my cd player! I think mailing of a new Melrose
>cd would be in order from TDI.
Please go to www.exactaudiocopy.com and download the latest version.
Install it and select you cdrom drive. Insert the 'faulty' disc, mark all
tracks in the main window and select 'test selected tracks' by
right-clicking on them. Please let us know, if you got any error messages.
Oh, and please be sure to use 'secure mode' (to be found under EAC -->
Drive Options --> Extraction method) and set the program to detect the
drives reading capabilities.
Ramon
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Jonathan Holt wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality
> photos of TD when they were especially scary looking
> (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my
> screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade?
Is this one scary looking enough?
http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td1.jpg
Antonio Nunes
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 4:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE
c'mon................join in everyone
ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE
=O)
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Pretty good - need to be more hairy, though!
Thanks!
--- Antonio Nunes
wrote: >
>
> Jonathan Holt wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good
> quality
> > photos of TD when they were especially scary
> looking
> > (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my
> > screensaver at work and frighten the Top40
> brigade?
>
> Is this one scary looking enough?
> http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td1.jpg
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
>
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
Did you ask John L if you could use this?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
> ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE
>
> c'mon................join in everyone
>
> ALL I AM SAAAAAAAYING...................IS GIVE PEACE A CHAAAANCE
>
>
> =O)
>
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Jonathan Holt wrote:
>
> Pretty good - need to be more hairy, though!
Maybe you prefer this one:
http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td2.jpg
Antonio Nunes
np: Optical Race
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Perfect! Perfect!
Any good photos of Iris around? (for that 'Beauty and
the Beast' theme!)
Thank-you, Antonio.
--- Antonio Nunes
wrote: >
>
> Jonathan Holt wrote:
> >
> > Pretty good - need to be more hairy, though!
>
> Maybe you prefer this one:
> http://members.netmadeira.com/ajogon/temp/td2.jpg
>
> Antonio Nunes
>
> np: Optical Race
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree
Um, am I being too impatient (and if so, sorry) but I
have not heard a word from my branch regarding this
tree. I have blanks on stand-by (sounds rude!). This
seems to be taking a lot longer than the first two
trees.
What stage is the distribution at, at this time?
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
> Um, am I being too impatient (and if so, sorry) but I
> have not heard a word from my branch regarding this
> tree. I have blanks on stand-by (sounds rude!). This
> seems to be taking a lot longer than the first two
> trees.
Jon, have you emailed your branch yet to make arrangements?
All level 1 branches should have had their discs for over a week now, so
everyone on level 2 should have contacted their supplier by now. If your branch
has not emailed you first, you should email them.
You can see your level on the tree at this page:
http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
And find out who your supplier is (and their email address) from the database
(click on the Classic Tree database link and do a search on your name to dislpay
your branch):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
If you get no response at all from your branch after waiting a reasonable length
of time, please contact me off-list.
Maff
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Jonathan Holt wrote:
>
> Any good photos of Iris around? (for that 'Beauty and
> the Beast' theme!)
There's a nice photo on her site at
http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/
Antonio Nunes
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
> Did you ask John L if you could use this?
>
> ;-)
> dale
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE........................................................
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE,................... LOVE..........................
LOVE IS ALL YOU
NEED.........................................................
;o)
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree
I've emailed twice in the past 6 weeks and not
received any reply. I didn't want to pester the poor
guy in case he was busy (we all have lives outside the
forum, I understand that)...but I thought a dialogue
and some sort of arrangement should have been started
by now.
I'll wait for a couple more weeks....
>
>
> Jon, have you emailed your branch yet to make
> arrangements?
>
> All level 1 branches should have had their discs for
> over a week now, so
> everyone on level 2 should have contacted their
> supplier by now. If your branch
> has not emailed you first, you should email them.
>
> You can see your level on the tree at this page:
>
http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
>
> And find out who your supplier is (and their email
> address) from the database
> (click on the Classic Tree database link and do a
> search on your name to dislpay
> your branch):
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
>
>
> If you get no response at all from your branch after
> waiting a reasonable length
> of time, please contact me off-list.
>
>
> Maff
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 5:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart
This reminds me of some DVDs which were recently found to be defective
(Terminator, Silence Of The Lambs to name two). The company immediately held
up their hands, explained the fault and offered free replacement copies to
anyone who returned their defective disc. I sent my Terminator back and a
brand new copy turned up in about 3 weeks. If the Melrose discs do contain a
genuine fault, then TDI should do the decent thing and replace anyone's copy
that is effected. If you want to keep the signed packaging, then just return
the disc itself. If the fault is defintiely there, then TDI are guilty of
selling a faulty product and as customers, we have statutory rights in this
area.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Fellows
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: [tadream] Cool at Heart
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sorry but I'm not convinced that the skipping on this track is just
> ticking - sounds like a faulty master to me which has been transmitted to
> all 1000 copies (normal when it's manufactured 'en masse').
>
> All comments about the dead forum aside, in Martin's own words TDI is a
> business and all businesses I know that produce a faulty product either
> recall them and/or offer replacements free of charge...(usually on return
of
> the faulty product however). The problem is, nobody is going to want to
> return their copies because they're all signed by Edgar and Jerome (in
fact,
> is that true, or was it just the first few hundred? I have copy 68/1000)
> and hand numbered!
>
> Maybe there will be another production run of the set in standard
packaging
> for the shops? If not, then I think there is a case for reprinting just
> disc 3 for those who ask for replacements...
>
> Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays properly rather than a
> limited edition dud...anybody have any suggestions/views?
>
> Paul
>
From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cool at Heart
>
>
>Personally I'd prefer to have a copy that plays properly rather than a
>limited edition dud...anybody have any suggestions/views?
>
>Paul
>
Dear Paul,
I am having Jerome check the set and the masters to see whether there is
something wrong or whether the sound was intended. If there is a problem,
we will of course replace the single disc and let the people keep their
signed packagings.
I will let you know as soon as I know more.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 11:29
am
Subject: Re: melrose
My copy skips in exactly the same places too... I have a Naim CD3
which can be temperamental, so I tried it in a Nakamichi which is
more reliable, and it only ticked in that. Also, there are wierd
compression sounds in the quiet passages of tracks one and six... has
anyone else heard these?
The other two CDs are excellent, as is the remainder of the Melrose
CD. It was good to revisit them.
TTFN,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
wrote:
> At 11:52 7-12-02 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >Jonathan Holt wrote:
> > >
> > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the
> > > box too - grr!
> >
> >Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and
again
> >at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem?
>
> My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times.
> But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync
with the
> music.
>
> And is that a stylistic Santa+reindeer on top of the front cover?
>
> I must say that I'm impressed by the sound quality of Melrose.
> The music all comes very much alive.
> Good and bright and reveals a lot of details that I have never
heard before.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Kees
>
> GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
> Kees Aerts
> PO Box 2171
> NL-8203 AD Lelystad
> Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
> http://www.groove.nl
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
John McIntyre
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 1:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Jonathan Holt wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality
> photos of TD when they were especially scary looking
> (I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my
> screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade?
Look on the back of the _Sorcerer_ album.
I heard some uncredited Tangerine Dream music while watching _Master of the
Flying Guillotine_. I know there's a filmography for 'official' soundtracks,
but is anyone keeping track of 'stolen' soundtrack music?
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
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From:
'mad4rock75'
Date: Sun Oct 20, 2002 5:41
pm
Subject: Re: Programme project
Thanks for this info - like others, I can't believe I wouldn't have
bought a programme if one was available and it also seemed strange
that it would be the only one I lost.
So, it now looks like I can concentrate on Europe, North America and
Australasia. Was there a handout for Reims 74 (like London 74) ?
Anyone with something suitable - I'd love to hear from you.
Toby
--- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote:
> David,
>
> I can definitely confirm that there was no1980 UK tour programme.
From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: TD on Soundtracks (was photos/purple haze)
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, John McIntyre wrote:
> I heard some uncredited Tangerine Dream music while watching _Master
of the
> Flying Guillotine_. I know there's a filmography for 'official'
soundtracks,
> but is anyone keeping track of 'stolen' soundtrack music?
This reminds me...I just purchased Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' miniseries on
DVD, and was delighted to hear Edgar's 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert'
during episode 3. I seem to recall excerpts from Rubycon, Maroubra
Bay and Metropolis being used in the show too. But the music was
licensed for use (Virgin Records would have seen them in court,
otherwise). Alas, None of the TD music was included on the show's
soundtrack album.
From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 4:07
pm
Subject: Re: Cool at Heart
While we're being fussy...anyone else notice that the sound level on
Melrose's bonus track 'The Back of Beyond' is noticably lower than the
other tracks on the album? Or am I just going deaf? :-)
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: faulty
If the disks are faulty and the delivered master was clean, and if the proof
that they must have received was also clean, then the manufacturer themselves
are at fault and owe their customer (TDI) replacement disks. Depends on what
the agreement was with the mfr.
<<
Subject: Re: Cool at Heart
This reminds me of some DVDs which were recently found to be defective
(Terminator, Silence Of The Lambs to name two). The company immediately held
up their hands, explained the fault and offered free replacement copies to
anyone who returned their defective disc. I sent my Terminator back and a
brand new copy turned up in about 3 weeks. If the Melrose discs do contain a
genuine fault, then TDI should do the decent thing and replace anyone's copy
that is effected. If you want to keep the signed packaging, then just return
the disc itself. If the fault is defintiely there, then TDI are guilty of
selling a faulty product and as customers, we have statutory rights in this
area.>>>
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Optical Race Correction
It was pointed out to us that the bonus track 'Ruling the Waves' on the
Optical Race-CD in The Melrose Years Box-Set is in fact identical to the
track 'Ivory Town' on i-Box CD 4. Upon double-checking this, we had to
notice that a mistake has been made regarding the track content of the
Optical Race-disc.
The bonus track that was included was indeed 'Ivory Town' from the
i-Box and not, as intended, the unreleased track 'Ruling the Waves'.
When putting the tracks for the CD's in sequential order for burning the
CD-masters, the wrong track must've slipped in. TDI MUSIC wish to
sincerely apologize for this mishap, as we did not intend to misinform
potential customers. In order to rectify this error in the fastest and
easiest way possible, we will put the 'missing' track 'Ruling the Waves'
up for download in some days time. More info to be found soon right here
on this spot.
http://www.tangerinedream.org/article.php?sid=27&mode=&order=0&PHPSESSID=9b5f8e2\
28d3ddc5bd3f573f0c96bac5a
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race Correction
Michael Jean wrote:
>
> In order to rectify this error in the fastest and
> easiest way possible, we will put the 'missing' track 'Ruling the Waves'
> up for download in some days time.
And how about a denoised version of 'Cool at Heart'?
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 7:11
pm
Subject: Re: Optical Race Correction
Goodness, what a mess this Melrose Years box has turned into.
Problems with the website's ordering system, sound glitches, incorrect
track mastering...
This latest situation with Ruling the Waves is particulalry
irritating. Getting back to an old theme of mine, if there had been
sound clips of these new tracks available, we would have recognized
the error before the disks got shipped. And now, this new track -
which was one of the main selling points of the set - will be
available to everyone free of charge on the TDI site. *sigh*
Well, I can't see TDI being very happy about this whole situation either.
From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 7:17
pm
Subject: On the bright side...
But hey...I guess we should look on the bright side. These mispressed
copies of Optical Race may become valuable collector's items! :-)
-Sean
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 11:21
pm
Subject: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Fist time I hear about a vocal version of td's purple haze. Guess it wuld have
been weird somehow.
However, there is a nice vocal version of dreamtime and I'd like to find a
transcription of the lyrics somewhere for I still have some problems to get
every word...
Thomas (who needs to impove his oral comprehension).
----Message réexpédié----
>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: Jonathan Holt
>Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:17:34 -0500 (EST)
>Sujet: [tadream] photos/purple haze
>
>Does anyone know where I can get 2 or 3 good quality
>photos of TD when they were especially scary looking
>(I guess pre 1976?) so I can put them on my
>screensaver at work and frighten the Top40 brigade?
>
>BTW While looking through the TD website I saw a photo
>of Jerome F And Janey Klimek recording a vocal version
>of Purple Haze (with UNRELEASED in the caption).
>
>...So has anyone heard it?
>
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:02
pm
Subject: Re: On the bright side...
>But hey...I guess we should look on the bright side. These mispressed
>copies of Optical Race may become valuable collector's items! :-)
>
>-Sean
Does anybody else spot the Star Wars Connection???
First we had an error lurking on one track:
Part 1 - The Phantom Menace...
Now we got an wrongly copied already existing track:
Part 2 - Attack Of The Clones...
Maybe we should ask George Lucas what to expect next? =)
Part 3 - ???
But then the future looks bright:
Part 4 - A New Hope !!!!!!
Part 6 - Return Of The Jedi (Schmoelling & Franke)
Not sure about Part 5 - The Empire Strikes Back???
A massive Virgin-compilations and re-release flood maybe?
All kidding aside, I love the new Melrose discs!
Rolf
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:08
am
Subject: firestarter sequel
Hi,
just turned the TV on, there's a B movie called firestarter currently airing
(with Dennis Hoper - the vilain I guess).
It pretty much seems to be a sequel of the 80's movie of the same name if I
judge from the flashback sequence of the begining.
However, the music is not TD's, it's from a guy named Randy Miller. Classic
orchestral-like stuff.
Don't know how TD's score sounds anyway.
Thomas.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:23
pm
Subject: re: let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) .
>(how many bands would actually let s/t like the Tangerine Tree go by?) .
Not sure, there are definitely many taper friend bands just point your
browser to etree.org and see who you can find.
or to www.jambands.com
or to setlist.com
almost all the bands on these site openly allow taping and exchange.
--T
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Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:43
pm
Subject: closed forum/USENET
>They're listening, they're just not going to change direction in the
>slightest to meet customer requests.
well certainly with ears like that it's no wonder the posts to the forum
don't change--hence the closure
[shrugs]
--T (already not missing the forum--there's always USENET where you can get
plenty of bitching and moaning and more....)
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From:
'Don Hawkinson'
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 8:48
pm
Subject: Valentine Wheels CD
I have an unopened CD copy of Valentine Wheels
that I would like to sell for $8 (US) plus actual shipping costs.
I ended up getting two copies on eBay when I only looked
at the auction titles and not the full description of the items.
Please reply directly to me to reduce traffic on the list.
Don Hawkinson
dwhawk@i...
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] On the bright side...
This is also very true. Just think of those stamps with those upside down
planes or that double struck coin.
I saw Marten's post. I would get the replacement to listen too, keep the
problem one as a collector.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: [tadream] On the bright side...
> But hey...I guess we should look on the bright side. These mispressed
> copies of Optical Race may become valuable collector's items! :-)
>
> -Sean
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] closed forum/USENET
One can never have enough of the bitcccchhhing and moaning!!!
;-) rrrrr give me the 60's to 70's and a bit of those 80's, wait what is
that I hear???? it's 90's and something heading into the next century....
rrrrrrrrrr wait, I am a dinosaur... I can't go there....
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To: ;
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:43 PM
Subject: [tadream] closed forum/USENET
>
> >They're listening, they're just not going to change direction in the
> >slightest to meet customer requests.
>
> well certainly with ears like that it's no wonder the posts to the forum
> don't change--hence the closure
>
> [shrugs]
>
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get
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD forum
Hello everyone,
I'm sorry again for the one-liner, but I just wanted to step forward and say
that I agree with Alan, and that's pretty much what I wanted to say about this
subject. And just to add that here in the mailing list I feel home, regarding
everything related to TD; that's why I had never tried the forum.
fellow lurker Alan Miller said:
>Martin, I totally agree with the decision to close down the Forum.(...)
>There should be a place where TD fans and supporters can (in the most part)
>debate the band and the music that they appreciate - that place for me is
>here and my respect and grateful thanks go out to Joe for this. Over the
>years this list has largely been self regulated(...)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'esculap'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:11
am
Subject: RE: Kieslowski & Tangent (Preisner&TD)
Yesterday I listened to the soundtrack for 'Blue' ( and for 'Blanc', too)
and there is nothing there that is similar to Tangerine Dream.
Btw. The soundtracks for most of Kieslowski's films were composed by
Zbigniew Preisner.
> From: 'Michael A Jean'
>I've seen BLUE countless times, and never made the connection... I'll have
>to watch it again and let you know.
>MJ
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:50 AM
> I've commonly caught my usually non-musical mother whistiling the
> tune from
> the first quarter of Tangent... I thought that it was simply because the
> melody is some sort of catchy, but she claims that it actually resembles
> something from Kieslowski's Blue...
> Any comments?
> John Vertical
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:41
pm
Subject: 2001 from Hyp Re: [tadream] melrose
>This is slightly unrelated, but what about the barcode and the number '2001'
>on the cover of Hyperborea..? Even stranger.
this one is a curiosity I always had, but just a dormant curiosity really. so
what is it about?
GJ np: Round Goes the Gossip from the newly bought Focus 3 (it's never late to
meet new masters!)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
Falcon
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: On the bright side...
At 09:02 PM 12/9/2002, you wrote:
>Does anybody else spot the Star Wars Connection???
>
>First we had an error lurking on one track:
>Part 1 - The Phantom Menace...
>
>Now we got an wrongly copied already existing track:
>Part 2 - Attack Of The Clones...
>
>Maybe we should ask George Lucas what to expect next? =)
>Part 3 - ???
I'd be also interested in 'Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets' (Edgars
hidden tape vault :-) )
Ramon
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:18
am
Subject: Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
This showed up under another site, reprint below...
I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a while. I picked up some of
his early work when he was working with TD or a few of the members anyway.
Thought there might be others here who might enjoy this.
dale
cross post
----- Original Message -----
From: Nigel Pennington
To: krautrocknet@y...
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: [krautrocknet] mushroom madness in HIGH TIMES this month...
An email from Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
Mushroom - Analog Hi Fi Surprise CD
is featured in a review in the December 2002 issue (on newstands
now) of the (legendary pot smokers magazine)
HIGH TIMES
on page 22, they write:
Taking funked-out fusion and mixing it with quirky progressive rock
and faux-retro song titles like 'Our Buddy Miles' and 'Abbie
Hoffman' San Francisco's Mushroom never cease to amaze. Reissuing
1998's `Analog Hi-Fi Surprise' with new packaging and four extra
tracks, Drummer/producer Pat O'Hearn conducts his psychedelic jazz
sextet with humorous enthusiasm.
Blending electric keyboards with hard-edged guitars and in-the-
pocket rhythms, Mushroom capture the essence of old school jamming
with hot technology and the post-modern mood of today. Using stoner
friendly production techniques and a kaleidoscopic approach towards
their long-winded instrumentals, Mushroom may just be the missing
link of contemporary jambands.
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:16:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
admin@k... writes:
> This showed up under another site, reprint below...
> I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a while. I picked up some of
> his early work when he was working with TD or a few of the members anyway.
> Thought there might be others here who might enjoy this.
> dale
*Ummm (Pedantic mode)
A) This is clearly a different 'Pat' O'Hearn. Patrick is a bassist/synthesist
not a drummer. also he lives on the east coast, not in San Fran.
B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a couple of albums on
Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label.
Poly
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
In a message dated 12/10/02 10:23:48, Synthhtnys@a... writes:
> Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a couple of albums on
> Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label.
>
It should be noted, though, that Baumann actually produced at least some of
those albums (but this was long after he left TD of course).
--Daniel
NP: Fluke - Progressive History X
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
True he never did work with TD but studied under Edgar? I need to watch my
phrases a bit more... I did not mean to imply work with TD...
Yea I know, I am wondering if this is the same person too.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
> In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:16:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> admin@k... writes:
>
> > This showed up under another site, reprint below...
> > I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a while. I picked up some
of
> > his early work when he was working with TD or a few of the members
anyway.
> > Thought there might be others here who might enjoy this.
> > dale
>
> *Ummm (Pedantic mode)
> A) This is clearly a different 'Pat' O'Hearn. Patrick is a
bassist/synthesist
> not a drummer. also he lives on the east coast, not in San Fran.
> B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a couple of albums on
> Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label.
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank
Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me
the truth.
--- Admin wrote: > True he never
did work with TD but studied under
> Edgar? I need to watch my
> phrases a bit more... I did not mean to imply work
> with TD...
> Yea I know, I am wondering if this is the same
> person too.
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:16:43 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> > admin@k... writes:
> >
> > > This showed up under another site, reprint
> below...
> > > I have not heard much about Patrick O'Hearn in a
> while. I picked up some
> of
> > > his early work when he was working with TD or a
> few of the members
> anyway.
> > > Thought there might be others here who might
> enjoy this.
> > > dale
> >
> > *Ummm (Pedantic mode)
> > A) This is clearly a different 'Pat' O'Hearn.
> Patrick is a
> bassist/synthesist
> > not a drummer. also he lives on the east coast,
> not in San Fran.
> > B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however
> have a couple of albums on
> > Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label.
> > Poly
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
> >
> >
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From:
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Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:45:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
plantpot_73@y... writes:
> Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank
> Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me
> the truth.
>
*Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons'
Poly
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:59
am
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
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Show #13 December 7, 2002.
PLAYLIST:
Phase I/Space:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Redshift Leviathans Halo (Distant Sun)
Alpha Wave Movement Mapping the Heavens A Distant Sugnal (HRR)
Max van Richter Resurrection Resurrection (Neu Harmony)
Tranzit Pulsarz Trans-Rapid (Groove)
Otarion Places Without Traces Creator (Neu Harmony)
The Glimmer Room Terminal Individuality Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu
Harmony)
Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove)
Phase II/Eclectic:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Rudy Adrian and Night Sky (Part 2) Across the Silver Sky (Groove)
Ron Boots
Steve Howe and Turn of the Century Tales from Yesterday (Magna
Annie Haslam Carta)
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ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Mangala Vallis The Book of Dreams The Book of Dreams (Tamburo a
Vapore)
Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes (Original
Masters)
Spock's Beard Beware of Darkness Beware of Darkness (Radiant)
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:07
am
Subject: The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:22:02 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes:
>B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a
>couple of albums on Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label.
'Mount Shasta' -- off the LILY ON THE BEACH album --
always struck me as a Patrick O'Hearn homage (specifically,
to O'Hearn's first two albums, ANCIENT DREAMS and BETWEEN
TWO WORLDS).
>Poly
Steven Feldman
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:09
am
Subject: ot Mushroom's Pat O'Hearn
Mushroom's Pat O'Hearn is actually Pat Thomas former drummer (amongst other
claims to fame) of Daevid Allen's University of Errors. I've seen Pat play
in both bands and talked with him several times.
He can occasionally be found posting to the king crimson fan mailing list
elephant-talk, too.
you can check out some mushroom and UofE mp3s here:
http://www.innerspacerecords.com/mp3.htm
OK, way too much ot info that.
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From:
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Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:24
am
Subject: OT: For lovers of language
Sorry for the OT content, but this is easily one of the funnier things I've
read in a while.
Enjoy!
Poly
> ATTENTION ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE LANGUAGE! The Washington Post publishes a
> yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for
> various words. The following were some recent winning entries:
>
> 1. Coffee (n.), a person who is coughed upon.
>
> 2. Flabbergasted (adj.), appalled over how much weight you have gained.
>
> 3. Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
>
> 4. Esplanade (v.), to attempt an explanation while drunk.
>
> 5. Willy-nilly (adj.), impotent
>
> 6. . Negligent (adj.), describes a condition in which you absentmindedly
> answer the door in your nightie.
>
> 7. Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp.
>
> 8. Gargoyle (n.), an olive-flavoured mouthwash.
>
> 9. Flatulence (n.) the emergency vehicle that picks you up after you are
> run over by a steamroller.
>
> 10. Balderdash (n.), a rapidly receding hairline.
>
> 11. Testicle (n.), a humorous question on an exam.
>
> 12. Rectitude (n.), the formal, dignified demeanor assumed by a
> proctologist immediately before he examines you
>
> 13. Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddish
> expressions.
>
> 14. Circumvent (n.), the opening in the front of boxer shorts.
>
> 15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up
> on the roof and gets stuck there.
>
> 16. Pokemon (n), A Jamaican proctologist.
>
> The Post also invited readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter
> it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new
> definition. Here are some of those winners:
>
> 1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you
> realize it was your money to start with.
>
> 2. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
>
> 3. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of
> getting laid (e.g.: 'I'm a doctor...')
>
> 4. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.
>
> 5. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person
> who doesn't get it.
>
> 6. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.
>
> 7. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness.
>
> 8. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (this one got extra credit)
>
> 9. Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really
> bad vibes, right?
> And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.
>
> 10. Glibido: All talk and no action.
>
> 11. Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they
> come at you rapidly
>
> 12. Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole.
>
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:38
am
Subject: Antwort: [tadream] Re: melrose
Hello I have listened to that track yesterday.
So I think it isn't a disk failure, maybe it is a mixing problem.
One' fading out and the next's fading in.
So today when I#m at home I will listen to the LP track.
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
'Stephen Manship ' wrote:
> At 11:52 7-12-02 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >Jonathan Holt wrote:
> > >
> > > oh, cool at heart is skipping - and fresh out of the
> > > box too - grr!
> >
> >Same problem with my copy. Cool at Heart skips at 2:25 - 2:30 and
again
> >at 5:50 - 5:55. Anyone else having this problem?
>
> My copy is not skipping but ticking. Both times.
> But the ticking could also be intended as it's pretty much in sync
with the
> music.
>
> And is that a stylistic Santa+reindeer on top of the front cover?
>
> I must say that I'm impressed by the sound quality of Melrose.
> The music all comes very much alive.
> Good and bright and reveals a lot of details that I have never
heard before.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Kees
>
> GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
> Kees Aerts
> PO Box 2171
> NL-8203 AD Lelystad
> Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
> http://www.groove.nl
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>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:40
am
Subject: re: OT: For lovers of language
>ATTENTION ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE LANGUAGE! The Washington Post publishes a
>yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for
>various words. The following were some recent winning entries:
>15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up
>on the roof and gets stuck there. <
hmm, the legitimacy of their premise comes (albeit interesting definitions)
into question when the alternative (read 'underground') student newspaper at
my high school published an article on 'Frisbeetarianism' in the '70s with
that exact definition.....
but it does fit well with 'reduce-reuse-recycle' and 'pet rocks'.
Now where's my 'mood ring'?
--T
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
At 09:46 PM 12/9/02 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:45:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>plantpot_73@y... writes:
>
> > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank
> > Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me
> > the truth.
> >
>
>*Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons'
>Poly
He was also a member of 'Group 87.'
Oscar
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this
ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000.
armin
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty'
At 09:38 10.12.02, you wrote:
>I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this
>ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000.
>
>armin
>
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Dear list,
here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue:
'skipping' on the Melrose Years:
we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can
be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart'
on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the
song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is
neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a
deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If
you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs
through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen
closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the
tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You
will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on
every one of them.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Johan Edberg '
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:50
am
Subject: Re:' faulty'
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> Dear list, here´s the official statement after talking to
> Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue:
> ... a deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that
> chops up sound bytes. ...and if you listen closely, you
> will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the
> tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause
> for alarm.
>---<
Thank you Martin for your ever so welcome enlightenment!
- And if you don't listen closely it sounds as if your player is
skipping!
Now, what do you think of the klicking sound?
Not very good, is it?
Sounds really wierd that this should be intended, dosen't it?
An intentional sound that makes you think 'oh, it's skipping, eh..
no, it's not'.
REALLY contributes to the total experience of the music, yeah. ;-)
- A new kind of non imaginary, tech related 'oh, my player is
breaking down' kind of wake up alarm from the otherwise so cool at
heart dreamstate of the track...
Love and kisses / jOhan
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:51
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom)
I do recall an article in the old CYMBIOSIS Magazine (the one that contained
the firt trakcs from Canyon Dreams). In the same issue was a review of a
Patrick O'Hearn concert, that mentioned Edgar was there (in the audience)
for the O'Hearn show.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:scfeldman@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:07 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] The TD / Patick O'Hearn Connection (was Patrick
> O'Hearn's Mushroom)
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:22:02 EST Synthhtnys@a... writes:
>
> >B) Patrick never worked with TD, he did however have a
> >couple of albums on Peter Baumann's 'Private Music' Label.
>
> 'Mount Shasta' -- off the LILY ON THE BEACH album --
> always struck me as a Patrick O'Hearn homage (specifically,
> to O'Hearn's first two albums, ANCIENT DREAMS and BETWEEN
> TWO WORLDS).
>
> >Poly
>
> Steven Feldman
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 5:12
pm
Subject: Re: classic tree
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt
wrote:
> I've emailed twice in the past 6 weeks and not
> received any reply. I didn't want to pester the poor
> guy in case he was busy (we all have lives outside the
> forum, I understand that)...but I thought a dialogue
> and some sort of arrangement should have been started
> by now.
>
> I'll wait for a couple more weeks....
>
> >
> >
> > Jon, have you emailed your branch yet to make
> > arrangements?
> >
> > All level 1 branches should have had their discs for
> > over a week now, so
> > everyone on level 2 should have contacted their
> > supplier by now. Got My Classic Tree discs today,excellent
service from my branch,and superb communications.Thanks very much Ray.
Best regards
Colin
NP Live Improvised.
> > has not emailed you first, you should email them.
> >
> > You can see your level on the tree at this page:
> >
> http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
> >
> > And find out who your supplier is (and their email
> > address) from the database
> > (click on the Classic Tree database link and do a
> > search on your name to dislpay
> > your branch):
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
> >
> >
> > If you get no response at all from your branch after
> > waiting a reasonable length
> > of time, please contact me off-list.
> >
> >
> > Maff
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty'
A clever trick which must be copied for those who perform flawless TD work
in public...
The master has spoken !
;-)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty'
At 09:38 10.12.02, you wrote:
>I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this
>ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000.
>
>armin
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
> - Woody Allen
Dear list,
here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the
'skipping'-issue:
'skipping' on the Melrose Years:
we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can
be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart'
on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the
song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is
neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a
deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If
you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs
through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen
closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the
tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You
will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on
every one of them.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'corporalcripp '
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: TD & FORBIDDEN PLANET
This may be old news to some TD fans but......I'm listening to their
August 16/75 show.About a minute into the first track the music took
on an overly familiar 'ring'.I paused the disc, backed up a bit and
yeah, the flickering echoes and tonalities sounded so much like the
music heard in the sci-fi movie classic,'Forbidden Planet'. Anyone
else feel this way?-Bob
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:35
pm
Subject: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze
>Fist time I hear about a vocal version of td's purple haze. Guess it wuld
>have been weird somehow.
>However, there is a nice vocal version of dreamtime and I'd like to find a
>transcription of the lyrics somewhere for I still have some problems to get
>every word...
>
>
>Thomas (who needs to impove his oral comprehension).
See the piece's entry at www.voices-in-the-net.de
The bible of every TD fan. Period.
(waitwait, perhaps only a part of the Bible... there's Zebbyworld, this
mailing list, and a handful of other places too...)
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 8:46
pm
Subject: Re: Patrick O'Hearn
<<> > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work
with Frank Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's
are telling me the truth.
> >
>
*Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with
the band 'Missing Persons'
>Poly
He was also a member of 'Group 87.'>>
He also played on the solo album by Andy Taylor,
Duran Duran's original guitarist.
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:22
am
Subject: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Thanks for reminding me that excellent web site. It helped me complete my
transcription.
However, I still stand on my initial guesses in some cases. Otherwise, I've
adopted the transcription I've found on the site.
Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being austrian (just
guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always pronounce words exactly
the right way.
I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange somehow.
Does the person who did the transcription have english for native language? If
so, I don't have anything more to say.
If not, I decided to post my own version. For anyone who bothers :
Dreamtime
Echoes from the past
Follow me
Echoes from the past
Shadow my dreams
(there's a ghost inside of me)
Shadow my dreams
There's a spirit calling me
Overpowering
(there's a ghost inside of me)
If it wasn't for you I'd leave
(there's a voice inside of me)
To dreamtime
All I('d?) be
(Oh/All it's a part of me)
All of me
(All I dream)
Oh I think it's going to take me a while
It's going to take me a while
I think it's going to take me a while
Before I come back to...
Dreamtime
(There's a tale inside of me)
The magic's in the air
In the air I breathe
(There's a tale inside of me)
Dreamtime
All I see
(Oh/All that's a part of me)
All I would be
Oh I think it's going to take me a while
It's going to take me a while
I think it's going to take me a while
Before I come back to...
Dreamtime...
Think it's gonna take me a while...
Dreamtime...
...
All I see
(Oh/All it's a part of me)
All of me
(All I dream)
Oh I think it's going to take me a while
It's going to take me a while
I think it's going to take me a while
Before I come back to dreamtime
Thomas.
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>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: 'John Vertical'
>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:35:43 +0200
>Sujet: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze
>
>>Fist time I hear about a vocal version of td's purple haze. Guess it wuld
>>have been weird somehow.
>>However, there is a nice vocal version of dreamtime and I'd like to find a
>>transcription of the lyrics somewhere for I still have some problems to get
>>every word...
>>
>>
>>Thomas (who needs to impove his oral comprehension).
>
>
>See the piece's entry at www.voices-in-the-net.de
>The bible of every TD fan. Period.
>(waitwait, perhaps only a part of the Bible... there's Zebbyworld, this
>mailing list, and a handful of other places too...)
>
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From:
'gyedid01 '
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:08
pm
Subject: Please contact me regarding TT2
Hello folks, it's been a while...
I would appreciate it very much if somebody could contact me
regarding TT2. Specifically, my tree contact seems to have
disappeared. Admittedly, I dropped the ball when he first contacted
me and didn't send him anything as soon as he might have liked, but
my last several attempts at contacting him have gone unanswered.
So, basically, I'm still interested in acquiring the set, but I need
a new branch.
please send me a personal reply...responses from the midwest U.S. and
southern Ontario are preferred...
cheers,
Gabe
p.s. as Melrose is one of my very favourite TD albums, will I find
the new one worth it?
From:
'goozergrafx '
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: Melrose Years Box
Has anyone else who ordered the box on the first day of availability
(11/21) not received it yet? I was the 25th viewer of the order pg and
placed my order immediately, was billed that same day, but have yet to
receive it. I know that the site says up to 4 weeks, but since some of
my N. American bretheren got theirs last Fri./Sat....
Martin, can you help out a fellow Saviour Machine freak? ;)
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From:
David Butler
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: Forumandcoke
So the Forum closed...blah, blah, blah...and there are
clicks on a tune on Melrose...blah, blah, blah...and I
really don't think Martin likes any of us...blah, now
wait a minute, that is inflammatory and libelous, you
shouldn't say stuff like that out loud...blah, blah,
blah...Thank God or Buddha or Edgar that we aren't all
mindless '4th graders'. I, for one, will NOT be buying
any more Tangerine Dream in this lifetime or the next,
yeah sure, like that's gonna happen, I'm waiting on
the Melrose years now. Hope mine doesn't have that
clickety thing on it...Jeez, you guys are anal, oops,
did I really say that?....David
NP...Anything that doesn't have that clickety sound on
it...actually King Crimson...In the Court...although
Bill Bruford does have clickety tendancies...shutting
up, SIR...
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:38
am
Subject: 'Ruling the Waves'
'Ruling the Waves' , is this a truely unheard of before track?
Does anyone know what style it is in? (like 60's, 70's, 80's and so forth?)
The title is great, I am just wondering about how the title fits the music.
Dale
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Ruling the Waves'
Dale said
'Ruling the Waves' , is this a truely unheard of before track?
The title is great, I am just wondering about how the title fits the
music.
Didn't Britannia rule the waves?
Corporal Cripp referred to Forbidden Planet. Wasn't the film modelled on
a Shakespear play? I don't know who Robbie the robot was playing. May be
the Krell is a refernce to a list like this.
David
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From:
'bbrylow'
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 3:08
pm
Subject: Classic Tree
Is the Classic Tree available for download anywhere? I got the
covers, but can't find the music. Alex appears to still be down?
Matt - any ideas?
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
Hi all,
> In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:45:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> plantpot_73@y... writes:
>
> > Patrick O' Hearn did some good bass work with Frank
> > Zappa in the 1970's ,if my Zappa cd's are telling me
> > the truth.
> >
>
> *Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons'
Wich was infact the band of Terry Bozzio (ex Zappa drumbeast) and his wife
Dale, formed out of ex-Zappa band members who wanted to try and write/play
'normal' pop-music. (ofcourse they failed ...... ;-))
Tony/Rotterdam
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 5:02
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
Hi Collin,
did you get any response on your mail?
I might have missed that thing too.
The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he
would do some DVD using a new hardware.
Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some).
Thanks
Herbert
-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56
An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
Hi Colin,
Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy
to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of
recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
Kind regards,
Roger
--- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort
> and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
would
> never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> absolute TD diamond.
> Many Thanks
> Colin South Wales UK
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From:
'goatsong99'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:43
pm
Subject: New here :-)
Hi all. I had stumbled opon the TD website about a month back,
joined the forum, and then the next day it was gone.. *sigh*
Then I noticed that all of my postings in the guestbook were removed
since last night. So here I am, after seeing someone post this about
this list.
I first got into them when watching Legend, and have since gotten a
few odd bootleg cds via mp3 trading. Beautiful is the only way to
describe their sound!
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From:
'Martin Mckee '
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: melrose
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical'
wrote:
> >Does anyone know what is
> >the meaning of 'The re-recordings 2003' printed on the front cover?
> >Maybe the obligatory typo? ;-)
>
>
> This is slightly unrelated, but what about the barcode and the
number '2001'
> on the cover of Hyperborea..? Even stranger.
Well, you're right this is strange.. Maybe the barcode
represents some reference to Stanley Kubrick/Arthur C. Clarke
Movie 2001.. or perhaps The barcode is meant to imply
some disregard for evil corporations or something..
Or maybe its just one of those damn quirky TD things we
just all secretly have come to love.. :-)..
Martin Mckee.
(all this positive talk about the private set, is
making me reach for my almost maxxed out credit card..)
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 8:12
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
Ok, what is this 'ground liftaz' thing? Besides something that looks like
teenage spelling?
And as for the rest, good and bad work together. You have to have one to
offset the other. That's how it works.
Something got a bad review? So what! Not all fans are as broadminded as
others. I can think of a few bands that have gotten awful reviews from thier
fans because their styles changed a bit.
A real fan is still going to give them a chance.
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
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-----Original Message-----
From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:00 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: TD Forum
>Robert Grabowsky said:
>
>I remember seeing the old TD guestbook turn into a conversation place
>as well as a piss and moan club. And it now seems we have the same thing in
>the new forum. If people want to carry on conversations take it to personal
>e-mail or mIRC or even a group like this. Stop wasting the site owners
>bandwidth and hard drive space. The same goes for the piss and moan club
>memebers.
If all it's going to be is *I love TD*, *I love Ground Liftaz* *kiss*
*smooch* *lick* then just delete the Forum because that is boring. TD
already knows they have a lot of fans. They can look at sales figures and
see that. The forum is so people can share/exchange information about the
often-mysterious TD. We help people make sense of the labeling and details
of TD's releases and talk about what we wish TD would release in the faint
hope that they might, in a moment of weakness, do what we beg...
A forum, just like this country, is no good without the positives AND the
negatives.
I include myself in the category of people that you and others on this list
have been talking about lately.
-Morgan
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Years Box
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:05:50 -0000
'goozergrafx ' writes:
>Has anyone else who ordered the box on the first day of
>availability (11/21) not received it yet
Me. Gotta have that new version of 'Desert Train'!
;) :)
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty'
give me a break!
lucky enough that I'm not that keen on that track anyway.
armin
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue:
>
> 'skipping' on the Melrose Years:
>
> we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can
> be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart'
> on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the
> song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is
> neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a
> deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If
> you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs
> through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen
> closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the
> tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You
> will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on
> every one of them.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:27
am
Subject: Re: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze
>
>Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being austrian
>(just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always pronounce words
>exactly the right way.
>I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange somehow.
Jayney Klimek is Australian, not Austrian.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke
At 15:55 10.12.02, you wrote:
>...blah, blah, blah...and I
>really don't think Martin likes any of us..
*Oh but I loooooveeee you!
;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
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From:
'gmuddeman'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:39
am
Subject: Melrose Years
Hi, New to the group but have been a fan of T.D. since 1975. I have
just received by copy of 'The Melrose Years' What can I say.
Brilliant, Totally different but at the same time keeping to what we
all know. The guitar work is awesome. It would be interesting to know
if they plan any more like this. P.S. it,s a shame that the forum on
the official webpage has been stopped. Different points of view
whether positive or negative are always worth reading.
Gra.
From:
'jmpoer'
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:43
pm
Subject: The Snowman - Howard Blake
Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory.
What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman'
and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember).
Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies,
remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that.
Anyone got the connection?
Thanks,
John
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From:
'Martin Mckee'
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:43
pm
Subject: Re: TD Live in London
--- In tadream@y..., Jonathan Holt wrote:
> Oh Dear God (or Edgar or Martin etc.)
>
> PLEASE come to Toronto, Canada. Please (begins weeping
> like a girl) PLEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEE!!!!!!!
I'll gladly trek down to montreal or
Toronto for probably the only
opportunity to see TD live in The
great white north ..
Thats 2 votes for Canada, TDI :-}
Martin.
From:
'frickyohanson'
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:44
pm
Subject: TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join?
Hi
I'm new to the site having just discovered it today - can any advice
me on how to apply for the above trees or am I too late?
I am based in Scotland, have 2 TD shows and would love to increase my
collection.
Frank
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From:
'frickyohanson'
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: Signup for Classic Tree
As a newbie to this group - can anyone tell me if i'm too late to sign
up for the Classic Tree?
Many Thanks
Frank
From:
'Mark Willcocks'
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD live in London
The Astoria has seating upstairs (rather quaint tables at right-angles to
the stage with little table lamps!). The usual arrangement is that you can
move freely between the stalls and the circle.
Could be advisable to check first tho', and arrive early to bag a good seat.
Cheers
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:43 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD live in London
> It's interesting that they've chosen a standing room only venue. I guess
> this means that the show is going to be in the Dream Mixes vein, aimed at
> younger fans who will dance. (Like the SBE show, except no-one danced at
> that one, although I don't know how you resisted!) Anyways, SRO means I
> shan't be going - my legs aren't up to standing for any length of time.
> Pity. (I hope they get a better sound engineer than they had at SBE,
b.t.w.)
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
> 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it
needs
> to be ...' S. Blakemore
>
>
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>
>
From:
'P.M. Dierking'
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: New Schmoelling Album??
Visited the http://www.viktoriapark-records.de/ site and in the news
section, it says there is a new release palnned called 'Recycle or
Die'. Any word on it's progress?
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:50
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] re: OT: For lovers of language
LOL! Oh that's funny!
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:40 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h...
Subject: [tadream] re: OT: For lovers of language
>ATTENTION ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE LANGUAGE! The Washington Post publishes a
>yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for
>various words. The following were some recent winning entries:
>15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up
>on the roof and gets stuck there. <
hmm, the legitimacy of their premise comes (albeit interesting definitions)
into question when the alternative (read 'underground') student newspaper at
my high school published an article on 'Frisbeetarianism' in the '70s with
that exact definition.....
but it does fit well with 'reduce-reuse-recycle' and 'pet rocks'.
Now where's my 'mood ring'?
--T
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From:
'Andrew'
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
Regarding Dan's comments on the move from improvisation to a more
compositional approach:
I think there are probably a few overlapping factors here.
I remember either Edgar or Chris - Chris, I think - saying in the early
eighties that the advent of programmable synths had been decisive in making
the band move toward a less improvisational approach on stage. That amused
me at the time, because I would have thought that would make composed pieces
more possible, but it wouldn't necessarily push the band that way unless
that was the way they wanted to go at that point.
My reading of the situation is that after the first heady couple of years of
improvisational concerts the band found themselves falling back more and
more on things that worked well, and the improvisational content gradually
decreased. That situation became more the case when Peter Baumann left, but
it was probably going to happen anyway.
Another factor was the limitation of analogue sequencers. As Dan's said,
advances in sequencers in the eighties meant a certain amount of
pre-planning. On the other hand, though, Chris Franke was talking during
that time about his desire to have as much live control of the sequencers as
possible, and he seemed to be seeing the new technology as a way of gaining
greater control over pre-programmed cells of music. That still seemed to go
with composed pieces, but with a more live control over the performance of
the pre-composed piece.
During the seventies I suspect the sequencer rhythms tended to be the more
stable element in the music in terms of pre-planning. Chris talked then
about pre-programmed cells of music that he could switch between, and the
main improvisational possibilities seemed to be in the switching and in the
filter control of tone and variations in envelope shaping. The latter two
elements could be controlled live much more easily than the pitch and rhythm
of the sequence.
So the way I read it, by the time Peter left the band there was a tightening
up of the pre-composed element in the live concerts that had been
progressing gradually for a while. Chris wanted to gain greater freedom
with the sequences, but that happened within a context where the whole band
was moving toward tighter structures. By 1982 Chris was saying things like
`we're now back to counting bars again' (with reference to Chronozon, I
think that was).
Someone with access to a large catalogue of unreleased recordings will be
able to throw a lot of light on this, of course. My impressions from that
time are that the Ricochet tour was already showing similarities in
different concerts. I saw the band at Liverpool Cathedral during that tour,
and I seem to remember parts of that concert on the Ricochet album (though
of course there were things in the concert that they didn't record on the
album). And there was a film of the Coventry concert (which I'd love to see
again if anyone knows if it's available), which sounded very much like the
stuff on the album.
The next time I saw the band was three days before Logos was recorded, and
by this time similarities between concerts seemed to have become
near-identicality (if that's a word). What I heard in Oxford was very close
to what was recorded at the Dominion theatre that weekend. In fact if
memory serves me right, the piece that became known as Dominion would have
had to be called Apollo if it had been recorded at the Oxford Apollo
concert, because it was the same piece both nights.
So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about 1975,
with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the pieces. Then
continual playing as a band caused a definite move toward playing set
structures, which eventually became fairly fixed pieces by the time Johannes
Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. Edgar or Chris attributed the move to
programmable synthesisers, but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused the
move to happen. It made it possible, but it could also have made greater
improvisation possible - and in any case Tangerine Dream have never been
inclined to let their instruments dictate how they were going to approach
making music. Even when they were moving toward set compositions they were
still seeking to gain ever greater flexibility in their control of the
elements of the music.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dan Downey'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
> Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone
> from an improvisational method to a more composed
> method?
>
> With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s
> I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting
> of the materials.....
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From:
'tmaxlo'
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:30
pm
Subject: Thank you Martin
Sorry to be a bit cheesy but I would like to thank the very human
person behind the 'Admin' name. Today I learnt he is called Martin.
When I first joined the forum I didn't know who Admin were. Then day
by day I learnt a bit more about them. A person who knows quite a
bit about TD and not just some admin staff who pops in to shuffle
paperwork and tap keys. Found he has been with the band for some
time. So there must be a lot of history we could have discovered
from him - if only we asked the right questions.
I sympathise with the situation he's been in but we all feel quite
passionate about the TD experience and so it's difficult to curb our
varied opinions.
I think the forum was good for exchange of useful information and
whilst critism is just as important there should be some form of
control over it. It feels like being in a minority at times as we
can't just ask any old person what they think about TD's latest
whatever, like you could ask someone about Madonnas new image. I
know there are other forums but you know what they say about
home(TDi Home)...'Home is where the heart is' (okay, sorry, too
cheesy)
Maybe in the future they could collate fans critic over TD's output
and just publish a balanced and proportionate amount of feedback. I
would find a constructive critism of an album useful. Even if its
bad I'll still go and buy it!
Thank you Admin, Martin or Darth. Whoever you are. I hope you've
still got some work to do now we're off your back?!!
MaxLo
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:32
pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tr: Re: Tr: [tadream] photos/purple haze
'Jayney Klimek is Australian, not Austrian.'
Ok, ok! Austrian / austrialian, sounds alike. So I wasn't that wrong!
Anyway, it means my remark on the accent still stands :)
Man, I'm still not going to improve my oral comprehension.
Thomas.
politically correct notice : this post was not intended to hurt anyone's
feeling or to mock anyone's culture (cause man, you haven't checked out my
accent yet). Furthermore, no austrian or australian has been harmed during...
oups... enough now.
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From:
Christian Villazón
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:32
pm
Subject: Classic Tree
Hello,
I'd like to know if is it possible to have the classic
Tree available for downloading?
Christian
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From:
John McIntyre
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn's Mushroom
tony.vandergaag@p... wrote:
> > *Yes indeed they are. He also played bass with the band 'Missing Persons'
>
> Wich was infact the band of Terry Bozzio (ex Zappa drumbeast) and his wife
> Dale, formed out of ex-Zappa band members who wanted to try and write/play
> 'normal' pop-music. (ofcourse they failed ...... ;-))
Hey, when they played East Lansing, they sold out the Bus Stop venue, something
I failed to do the two times I played there. (-8 We ended up standing behind
Terry which made me appreciate what a fine drummer he is.
And didn't the guitarist go on to join Duran Duran? (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@p...
From:
'matthewsawyer '
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:06
pm
Subject: Re: Classic Tree
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Christian Villazón
wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to know if is it possible to have the classic
> Tree available for downloading?
If some kind soul steps forward and offers 5 gig of webspace to
accomodate the SHN files and the necessary bandwidth, then yes. Until
then you'll have better luck asking if someone here can do you them
on CDR.
Maff
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:23
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
>>From: 'Andrew'
>Someone with access to a large catalogue of unreleased recordings will be
>able to throw a lot of light on this, of course. My impressions from that
>time are that the Ricochet tour was already showing similarities in
>different concerts. I saw the band at Liverpool Cathedral during that tour,
>and I seem to remember parts of that concert on the Ricochet album (though
>of course there were things in the concert that they didn't record on the
>album).
You lucky dog, you. :) Alas I'll probably never see TD live and certainly
nothing improvised.
Yes, Liverpool has moments in common with the Ricochet release. It's just a
coincidence that you attended one of the shows that became part of
Ricochet. :) The shows in 1975 generally bore little in common with each other.
>So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about 1975,
>with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the pieces. Then
>continual playing as a band caused a definite move toward playing set
>structures, which eventually became fairly fixed pieces by the time Johannes
>Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. Edgar or Chris attributed the move to
>programmable synthesisers, but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused the
>move to happen.
With the exception of the early Monolight renditions and nods to Phaedra
and Stratosfear heard live at various 1976 shows, there was at least an
hour of unreleased music at each of the full 1976 shows (as far as we know,
the Berlin Philharmonic show was 31 minutes). Even in 1977 with the
recurrence of Cherokee Lane and Monolight from show-to-show, there was
still over an hour of improvised music to be heard at just about every show.
The 1978 shows all varied around themes from the Cyclone album. IMO there's
nothing more boring than 20 minutes of the instrumental bits of Bent Cold
Sidewalk. :)
Starting in 1980, each show rigidly fit into a 'tour setlist', with the
only major variations being Edgar's guitar work near the end of each show
in 1980-1981 during encores, etc.
-Morgan
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From:
'Mika Pulkkinen'
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question and a question about 'Sojuz'
Hi!
You are right, that they are different ones, but the question was about
tracks Rubycon (The Decision) on cd 2 and Rubycon (Crossing part) on cd 3.
They are identical. :-)
My question is about the track 'Sojuz'. Is a drum sample from the song 'Go'
by Moby used in it? Sound very similar.
Best regards,
Mika Pulkkinen
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Janet Wojtecki'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents box set question
> Hi Fred and Michael,
>
> I'm not so sure that it was not corrected. My copy on disc 3 has track6
> 'dice part' running at 6'03 min and track 9 'crossing point' at 9'32 min.
> They are very different cuts.
>
> Regards Chris
From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
That's a very interesting discussion...
Just to add a couple of points, I think Peter's thoughts about TD's
compositional style and his one or two near-exits from the band may
have speeded up the move towards an approach that relied less and
less on improvisation; and so may the addition of Johannes in 1980
(who added some classical training and firmer musical structures).
Dennis
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 9:36 pm, Andrew wrote:
> Regarding Dan's comments on the move from improvisation to a more
> compositional approach:
>
>
> I think there are probably a few overlapping factors here.
>
> I remember either Edgar or Chris - Chris, I think - saying in the
> early eighties that the advent of programmable synths had been
> decisive in making the band move toward a less improvisational
> approach on stage. That amused me at the time, because I would
> have thought that would make composed pieces more possible, but it
> wouldn't necessarily push the band that way unless that was the way
> they wanted to go at that point.
>
> My reading of the situation is that after the first heady couple of
> years of improvisational concerts the band found themselves falling
> back more and more on things that worked well, and the
> improvisational content gradually decreased. That situation became
> more the case when Peter Baumann left, but it was probably going to
> happen anyway.
>
> Another factor was the limitation of analogue sequencers. As Dan's
> said, advances in sequencers in the eighties meant a certain amount
> of pre-planning. On the other hand, though, Chris Franke was
> talking during that time about his desire to have as much live
> control of the sequencers as possible, and he seemed to be seeing
> the new technology as a way of gaining greater control over
> pre-programmed cells of music. That still seemed to go with
> composed pieces, but with a more live control over the performance
> of the pre-composed piece.
>
> During the seventies I suspect the sequencer rhythms tended to be
> the more stable element in the music in terms of pre-planning.
> Chris talked then about pre-programmed cells of music that he could
> switch between, and the main improvisational possibilities seemed
> to be in the switching and in the filter control of tone and
> variations in envelope shaping. The latter two elements could be
> controlled live much more easily than the pitch and rhythm of the
> sequence.
>
> So the way I read it, by the time Peter left the band there was a
> tightening up of the pre-composed element in the live concerts that
> had been progressing gradually for a while. Chris wanted to gain
> greater freedom with the sequences, but that happened within a
> context where the whole band was moving toward tighter structures.
> By 1982 Chris was saying things like `we're now back to counting
> bars again' (with reference to Chronozon, I think that was).
>
> Someone with access to a large catalogue of unreleased recordings
> will be able to throw a lot of light on this, of course. My
> impressions from that time are that the Ricochet tour was already
> showing similarities in different concerts. I saw the band at
> Liverpool Cathedral during that tour, and I seem to remember parts
> of that concert on the Ricochet album (though of course there were
> things in the concert that they didn't record on the album). And
> there was a film of the Coventry concert (which I'd love to see
> again if anyone knows if it's available), which sounded very much
> like the stuff on the album.
>
> The next time I saw the band was three days before Logos was
> recorded, and by this time similarities between concerts seemed to
> have become near-identicality (if that's a word). What I heard in
> Oxford was very close to what was recorded at the Dominion theatre
> that weekend. In fact if memory serves me right, the piece that
> became known as Dominion would have had to be called Apollo if it
> had been recorded at the Oxford Apollo concert, because it was the
> same piece both nights.
>
> So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about
> 1975, with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the
> pieces. Then continual playing as a band caused a definite move
> toward playing set structures, which eventually became fairly fixed
> pieces by the time Johannes Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann.
> Edgar or Chris attributed the move to programmable synthesisers,
> but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused the move to happen.
> It made it possible, but it could also have made greater
> improvisation possible - and in any case Tangerine Dream have never
> been inclined to let their instruments dictate how they were going
> to approach making music. Even when they were moving toward set
> compositions they were still seeking to gain ever greater
> flexibility in their control of the elements of the music.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Dan Downey'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
>
> > Is there a defining work or time where EF has gone
> > from an improvisational method to a more composed
> > method?
> >
> > With computer based midi sequencing coming in the 80s
> > I imagine it took some advance planning and scripting
> > of the materials.....
>
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:51
pm
Subject: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance?
My own mini-poll...
Has anyone got any favourites among the versions of Dolphin Dance that
are floating about? The version on 'Underwater Sunlight' never did
much for me - in fact, the whole album is nice, but not one of my
favourites.
Chris Franke's version on the 'London Concert' has the best sequencer
line in my view, but the lead melody around mid-track is a bit on the
corny side for me.
So my favourite would have to be the rendition on Livemiles - it's
still recognisably DD, but sufficiently fuzzy to be interesting and a
great live (well, with Livemiles you never know) contribution.
--
Dennis
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From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:15
pm
Subject: Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance?
I agree with you about the Livemiles version. I love the bit near the
beginning when the sequencer breaks into wide-angle stereo - great on
headphones.
I still prefer the original to the CF version though.
Must listen again when I get home!
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> My own mini-poll...
>
> Has anyone got any favourites among the versions of Dolphin Dance
that
> are floating about? The version on 'Underwater Sunlight' never did
> much for me - in fact, the whole album is nice, but not one of my
> favourites.
>
> Chris Franke's version on the 'London Concert' has the best
sequencer
> line in my view, but the lead melody around mid-track is a bit on
the
> corny side for me.
>
> So my favourite would have to be the rendition on Livemiles - it's
> still recognisably DD, but sufficiently fuzzy to be interesting and
a
> great live (well, with Livemiles you never know) contribution.
> --
> Dennis
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/
or e-mail tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frickyohanson [mailto:frickyohanson@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:45 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join?
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm new to the site having just discovered it today - can any advice
> me on how to apply for the above trees or am I too late?
>
> I am based in Scotland, have 2 TD shows and would love to increase my
> collection.
>
>
> Frank
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
> >So in summary I think the band was most improvisational up to about 1975,
> >with the sequencers first tending to fix the pattern of the pieces. Then
> >continual playing as a band caused a definite move toward playing set
> >structures, which eventually became fairly fixed pieces by the time
>Johannes
> >Schmoelling replaced Peter Baumann. Edgar or Chris attributed the move to
> >programmable synthesisers, but in my view that wouldn't ever have caused
>the
> >move to happen.
>
>With the exception of the early Monolight renditions and nods to Phaedra
>and Stratosfear heard live at various 1976 shows, there was at least an
>hour of unreleased music at each of the full 1976 shows (as far as we know,
>the Berlin Philharmonic show was 31 minutes). Even in 1977 with the
>recurrence of Cherokee Lane and Monolight from show-to-show, there was
>still over an hour of improvised music to be heard at just about every
>show.
...but even though much of it was unreleased, that doesn't imply it was all
original. I'd consider the 2nd sets of Mannheim and Nottingham two different
versions of one piece... and frankly, if I only have 5 (the TT ones) out of
the dozens of 76 shows and find two pieces so alike, I also believe that the
fall tour had also other such common piece structures. That wouldn't require
any Supernatural Probabilities...
>The 1978 shows all varied around themes from the Cyclone album. IMO there's
>nothing more boring than 20 minutes of the instrumental bits of Bent Cold
>Sidewalk. :)
Well, I find nothing bad in 20 minutes of the instrumental Madrigal Meridian
(np), but TT 11 is, errr... zarky. If the other 78 live material was of such
musical quality, too, then the problem is not what it's based on; it's that
they were not able to derive the ideas correctly. Or to play them fast
enough. Since Cyclone did feature a transistion towards more compact pieces,
I don't consider this surprizing.
John Vertical
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Snowman - Howard Blake
I think a similar theme was used in THE KEEP.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: jmpoer jmpoer@i...
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:43:31 -0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] The Snowman - Howard Blake
Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory.
What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman'
and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember).
Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies,
remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that.
Anyone got the connection?
Thanks,
John
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
I assumed Martin's comment was a joke. Maybe not!
I DO like that track alot... but I have tried playing it on several
different CD players and my display jumps around (rather than skips) about
5 seconds ahead and garbles the sound like it is being fast-forwarded. It
most certainly isn't a click in sync with the music.
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Armin Theissen Armin.Theissen@s...
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:33 +0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty'
give me a break!
lucky enough that I'm not that keen on that track anyway.
armin
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the
'skipping'-issue:
>
> 'skipping' on the Melrose Years:
>
> we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that
can
> be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at
Heart'
> on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of
the
> song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is
> neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a
> deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes.
If
> you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD
runs
> through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen
> closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the
> tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You
> will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on
> every one of them.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
Andrew, that was a good review... good job.
Dale
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you Martin
me not Martin...
My admin in my name means Administrator. I am the Administrator of my ISP
kay-net.com. I am also a System Administrator of many different companies
(computer geek as some would put it)(day job which pays bills and allows me
to buy synths to make music).
Martin's admin of the forum is a difficult job. I do very similar things
with many different web sites for a diverse range of clients. It takes a lot
of work and understanding. What TD choose to do isn't making me happy but
it's not like I could not understand why. I am just sorry to see it go. At
least there is this list still working and Joe should be thanked at least
twice a week for keeping it running for as long as it has. (maybe more than
twice a week too)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tmaxlo'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: [tadream] Thank you Martin
> Sorry to be a bit cheesy but I would like to thank the very human
> person behind the 'Admin' name. Today I learnt he is called Martin.
>
> When I first joined the forum I didn't know who Admin were. Then day
> by day I learnt a bit more about them. A person who knows quite a
> bit about TD and not just some admin staff who pops in to shuffle
> paperwork and tap keys. Found he has been with the band for some
> time. So there must be a lot of history we could have discovered
> from him - if only we asked the right questions.
>
> I sympathise with the situation he's been in but we all feel quite
> passionate about the TD experience and so it's difficult to curb our
> varied opinions.
>
> I think the forum was good for exchange of useful information and
> whilst critism is just as important there should be some form of
> control over it. It feels like being in a minority at times as we
> can't just ask any old person what they think about TD's latest
> whatever, like you could ask someone about Madonnas new image. I
> know there are other forums but you know what they say about
> home(TDi Home)...'Home is where the heart is' (okay, sorry, too
> cheesy)
>
> Maybe in the future they could collate fans critic over TD's output
> and just publish a balanced and proportionate amount of feedback. I
> would find a constructive critism of an album useful. Even if its
> bad I'll still go and buy it!
>
> Thank you Admin, Martin or Darth. Whoever you are. I hope you've
> still got some work to do now we're off your back?!!
>
> MaxLo
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree
speak to Morgan....
I am holding off for a bit more to put anything on FTP... for public use. If
I did, it would have to be login and pw for sure.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Christian Villazón'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:32 AM
Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree
> Hello,
> I'd like to know if is it possible to have the classic
> Tree available for downloading?
>
> Christian
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner for home
use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a head count
to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now for
business use.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Herbert'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> Hi Collin,
> did you get any response on your mail?
> I might have missed that thing too.
> The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he
> would do some DVD using a new hardware.
> Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some).
>
> Thanks
> Herbert
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
>
>
> Hi Colin,
>
> Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
> Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy
> to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of
> recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
>
> Kind regards,
> Roger
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort
> > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
> would
> > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> > absolute TD diamond.
> > Many Thanks
> > Colin South Wales UK
>
>
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>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke
rr.r.r.r.rr.rrr
warm and fuzzzzzzyyy all over.... rrr.r.r.r.r.rrrrrrr makes me good eye
water.....
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke
> At 15:55 10.12.02, you wrote:
> >...blah, blah, blah...and I
> >really don't think Martin likes any of us..
>
> *Oh but I loooooveeee you!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
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>
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>
From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:12
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
I would definitely be up for DVDs although I am not sure if my player
(pretty standard) can play DVD-Rs.
There is a new generation of DVD burners / hard disk recorders just
hitting the markets now with prices as low as 500 UKP, so I will
definitely be upgrading in the next 12 months or so.
I had 60 CDs before I purchased my first CD player!
Rgds,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote:
> Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner
for home
> use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a
head count
> to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now
for
> business use.
>
> Dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Herbert'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
>
>
> > Hi Collin,
> > did you get any response on your mail?
> > I might have missed that thing too.
> > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan
anouncing he
> > would do some DVD using a new hardware.
> > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got
some).
> >
> > Thanks
> > Herbert
> >
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...]
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56
> > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> >
> >
> > Hi Colin,
> >
> > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
> > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very
happy
> > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all
kind of
> > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Roger
> >
> > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb
effort
> > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
> > would
> > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> > > absolute TD diamond.
> > > Many Thanks
> > > Colin South Wales UK
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
From:
'goozergrafx '
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:39
pm
Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'jmpoer' wrote:
> Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory.
>
> What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman'
> and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember).
>
> Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies,
> remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that.
>
> Anyone got the connection?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
The Keep endtheme is more than loosely based on the song 'Walking on
the Air' aka the 'Theme from the Snowman.' This was deliberate.
Michael Mann asked for it.
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Re: live improv during 75-76 era
<>
I kinda had the same thought listening to the
75-76 era tapes that I've acquired over that last
few years...it seems like there's a basic outline
of a performance that they had...like, having
general ideas...'Start with the sustained organ/
mellotron textures, then have the fast sequencer
bit come in at a certain point, then segue into
the solo piano bit', etc. While there's still a
lot of freedom there, and presumably, a great
deal of ad libbing from one performance to the
next, it seems like they had a rough frame work
they used for each night of a given tour, as
opposed to doing something completely different
on each performance.
It kinda reminds me of the 68-69 era Grateful
Dead shows, where, most of the time, they'd play
Dark Star, then segue into St Stephen, then
follow that with The Eleven (which in turn would
usually segue into Turn On Your Lovelight).
Though they did the same songs in the same order
a lot of times, there was still a lot of
different musical things they could differently
each time.
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: RE : [tadream] Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance?
Hello, Dreamers !
My fav DD piece is the one 'extended' live version on Reichstag Concert.
I love it when the airplane passes through and then the song restarts
and fades with a nice sequencer line...
Cheers,
Fred
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Stephen Manship
> [mailto:mudspanker@y...]
> Envoyé : mercredi 11 décembre 2002 16:16
> À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [tadream] Re: Favourite version of Dolphin Dance?
>
> I agree with you about the Livemiles version. I love the bit near the
> beginning when the sequencer breaks into wide-angle stereo - great on
> headphones.
>
> I still prefer the original to the CF version though.
>
> Must listen again when I get home!
>
> BTF
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> > My own mini-poll...
> >
> > Has anyone got any favourites among the versions of Dolphin Dance
> th(snip)
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New here :-)
Hi and welcome............
Hopefully you will enjoy this forum. I have been listening to TD since mid
70' and yes....................it is very beautiful.............=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'goatsong99'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:43 PM
Subject: [tadream] New here :-)
> Hi all. I had stumbled opon the TD website about a month back,
> joined the forum, and then the next day it was gone.. *sigh*
> Then I noticed that all of my postings in the guestbook were removed
> since last night. So here I am, after seeing someone post this about
> this list.
> I first got into them when watching Legend, and have since gotten a
> few odd bootleg cds via mp3 trading. Beautiful is the only way to
> describe their sound!
>
>
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:39:02 -0000 'goozergrafx '
writes:
>>What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The
>>Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to
>>remember).
>The Keep endtheme is more than loosely based on the song
>'Walking on the Air' aka the 'Theme from the Snowman.'
Less than loosely based, morelike. ;)
>This was deliberate. Michael Mann asked for it.
I can see why, seeing as the orginal intended (?)
ending has Glaeken literally floating in the air down into
the bottom of the keep before he is revived.
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://thekeep.0catch.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
David Butler
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:09
pm
Subject: Forumandcoke, no ice
Martin's reply:
>*Oh but I loooooveeee you!
>;-)
>Best regards,
>Martin Kasprzak
I assume that he means me and only me, sorry guys. I
see that no one answered the question of what 'Ground
Liftaz' was...I guess she doesn't make it to the
official TD website very often. So anyway, I am loving
my new locale. For those of you that have no idea
where San Rafael is, here's a clue. You are standing
in the center of the Golden Gate Bridge, yeah, the big
orange one near San Francisco, you jump in your car
and drive 10 miles north on Highway 101 and you're
there. For those of you that are Star Wars or
Industrial Light and Magic fans or have seen the
credits of any movie that Lucasfilm is involved with,
you'll notice that it always says Marin County
California, that's where I am. Okay, anybody care?
Anyway...any other listees in this area that might
want to get together and talk TD? I remember some guy
named Benson who's in Berkeley...Alan you out there? I
am just so jazzed that Martin loves ME....David
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Improvisation
I agree this is a great discussion perhaps along the lines of what TD was
hoping they would have on the forum. Given time, I think they would have.
After all, look at what shenanigans this list and the uwp list has been
through to finally become a much better vehicle of information sharing (to
be fair, I don't know what the uwp list was like in the beginning but the
ending sure was spectacular!). Joe is to be congratulated on creating a site
and maintaining a certain decorum without being too heavy handed.
Some thoughts on improvisation. I think in the beginning when everything was
so brand new, almost anything they did together created a feeling of
excitement among audience and band alike (possible exception: Ponts de Ce
which to me has to be the most boring concert possible). There was a lot of
weird sounds or bird calls with almost no organized musical theme at all or
very minimal. Improvisation would be easier in a setting that demanded
almost nothing at all.
However, over time I believe band members probably got bored themselves with
no structure. After all, how many bloops and bleeps can you do without
finding a path through them? But this created a problem. Here you have three
musicians, supposedly without a program, in front of an audience that could
crucify them, trying to come up with something new. I think there had to be
a frustration factor when someone would start out with an idea on stage, but
nobody else would 'get it' and it would fail after a few misplaced notes. I
especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins with, I
presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with the
piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the background
you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue with
a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. Finally, a sequence
starts, I presume Franke, and what happens? The others finally come together
on something they recognize that they can play, have played together:
Sorcerer. So, structure became almost a habit, or at least the leanings in
that direction, just for survival.
All IMO of course.
NP: Ricochet, studio structure out of chaos
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: Dennis Nigbur
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] TD interview from 1976 - english translation
>Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:06 +0000
>
>That's a very interesting discussion...
>
>Just to add a couple of points, I think Peter's thoughts about TD's
>compositional style and his one or two near-exits from the band may
>have speeded up the move towards an approach that relied less and
>less on improvisation; and so may the addition of Johannes in 1980
>(who added some classical training and firmer musical structures).
>
>Dennis
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forumandcoke, no ice
Well I was born in Martinez... not far from you huh?
Next time I am up in that area, its only a few hundred miles to the north, I
might give you note.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Butler'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:09 PM
Subject: [tadream] Forumandcoke, no ice
> Martin's reply:
>
> >*Oh but I loooooveeee you!
>
> >;-)
>
>
> >Best regards,
>
> >Martin Kasprzak
>
> I assume that he means me and only me, sorry guys. I
> see that no one answered the question of what 'Ground
> Liftaz' was...I guess she doesn't make it to the
> official TD website very often. So anyway, I am loving
> my new locale. For those of you that have no idea
> where San Rafael is, here's a clue. You are standing
> in the center of the Golden Gate Bridge, yeah, the big
> orange one near San Francisco, you jump in your car
> and drive 10 miles north on Highway 101 and you're
> there. For those of you that are Star Wars or
> Industrial Light and Magic fans or have seen the
> credits of any movie that Lucasfilm is involved with,
> you'll notice that it always says Marin County
> California, that's where I am. Okay, anybody care?
> Anyway...any other listees in this area that might
> want to get together and talk TD? I remember some guy
> named Benson who's in Berkeley...Alan you out there? I
> am just so jazzed that Martin loves ME....David
>
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> Systems Network Administrator test.
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From:
'marc todd'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:30
am
Subject: Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track
Hi All,
Word is that 'Ruling the Waves' will be available at TDI for download. This
is great news of course, but I wonder if it would be too much to ask if TDI
uploads the missing Rubycon track from Tangents as well.
On another note, I like the Melrose box quite well. Some of the tracks I
didn't like the first time around I still don't like, but the tracks I do
like I like even more with the additions.
Cheers,
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New here :-)
Thanks :-) So far it's been interesting reading to say the least!
As for the 70's, I wasn't even though of yet..lol.
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-----Original Message-----
From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:56 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] New here :-)
Hi and welcome............
Hopefully you will enjoy this forum. I have been listening to TD since mid
70' and yes....................it is very beautiful.............=O)
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'goatsong99'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:43 PM
Subject: [tadream] New here :-)
> Hi all. I had stumbled opon the TD website about a month back,
> joined the forum, and then the next day it was gone.. *sigh*
> Then I noticed that all of my postings in the guestbook were removed
> since last night. So here I am, after seeing someone post this about
> this list.
> I first got into them when watching Legend, and have since gotten a
> few odd bootleg cds via mp3 trading. Beautiful is the only way to
> describe their sound!
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
I wouls like to have one, as I have a fairly extensive MP3 music
collection... -but- until the price of the discs drop drastically, it
wouldn't matter if the burner was very inexpensive, because I wouln't be
able to use it! lol
As it is, I won't pay more then $0.04 a piece for a cd-r.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:02 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner for home
use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a head count
to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now for
business use.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Herbert'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> Hi Collin,
> did you get any response on your mail?
> I might have missed that thing too.
> The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan anouncing he
> would do some DVD using a new hardware.
> Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got some).
>
> Thanks
> Herbert
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
>
>
> Hi Colin,
>
> Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
> Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very happy
> to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all kind of
> recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
>
> Kind regards,
> Roger
>
> --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb effort
> > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
> would
> > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> > absolute TD diamond.
> > Many Thanks
> > Colin South Wales UK
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Improvisation
>After all, look at what shenanigans this list and the uwp list has been
>through to finally become a much better vehicle of information sharing (to
>be fair, I don't know what the uwp list was like in the beginning but the
>ending sure was spectacular!).
The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to see
this 'spectacular ending'?
>I think there had to be
>a frustration factor when someone would start out with an idea on stage,
>but
>nobody else would 'get it' and it would fail after a few misplaced notes. I
>especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins with,
>I
>presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with
>the
>piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the background
>you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue
>with
>a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all.
So that would leave Chris on the piano... not very probable.
---
There's a similar effect on the beginning of part 1: (still on Me-Rad / TT
vol.1) During the long 'silence' before the sequence from Monolight starts,
there's several quirky clicks and whooshes if you listen carefully. Some
sort of muted Mellotron intro, or just some leftover tuning voices?
Also, the end of Saarbrücken pt 2 (TT vol.13) has these common end piece-
voices (also in Mannheim pt 1, TT vol.7 pt 3, TT vol.1 pt 2) but someone
still goes on a couple of minutes with those metallic rustles...
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From:
'gkopuy '
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:39
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
Hi Dale,
Do you mean the DVD Digital Tree initiative of Duncan or something
else. Because the DVD Digital Tree of Duncan is about 13 video
concerts and you can't put them on a CDR without any consequence. In
order to put them on a CDR you do have to convert the video-files to
a DIVX format which can only be played on a PC...
An other good idea is to sent the SHN-files of a 'normal' Tangerine
Tree on a DVD-R/+R disc. One complete tree might even fit on 1 disc.
This would greatly reduce the snail mail costs and burning 1 DVD disc
is faster than 5 CDR discs with SHN-files. In TT3 I signed up as a
branch for SHN-files but, if it is okay, I'll sent those files on DVD
disk to the leaves.
Regards,
Roger
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote:
> Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner
for home
> use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a
head count
> to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now
for
> business use.
>
> Dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Herbert'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
>
>
> > Hi Collin,
> > did you get any response on your mail?
> > I might have missed that thing too.
> > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan
anouncing he
> > would do some DVD using a new hardware.
> > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got
some).
> >
> > Thanks
> > Herbert
> >
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...]
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56
> > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> >
> >
> > Hi Colin,
> >
> > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
> > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very
happy
> > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all
kind of
> > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Roger
> >
> > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb
effort
> > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
> > would
> > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> > > absolute TD diamond.
> > > Many Thanks
> > > Colin South Wales UK
> >
> >
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> >
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track
>Hi All,
>Word is that 'Ruling the Waves' will be available at TDI for download. This
>is great news of course, but I wonder if it would be too much to ask if TDI
>uploads the missing Rubycon track from Tangents as well.
>On another note, I like the Melrose box quite well. Some of the tracks I
>didn't like the first time around I still don't like, but the tracks I do
>like I like even more with the additions.
>Cheers,
>Marc
Could I suggest TDI not to offer Ruling the Waves freely... only against
some order details or something, so the box won't lose its attractivity? (?)
I don't know if this is possible, but anyway.
[Note: I don't myself have the set, so no selfliness accusations please]
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track
> Could I suggest TDI not to offer Ruling the Waves freely... only against
> some order details or something, so the box won't lose its attractivity?
(?)
> I don't know if this is possible, but anyway.
> [Note: I don't myself have the set, so no selfliness accusations please]
> John Vertical
I fail to see why it should loose its attractivity????????.............The
box is actually attractive because of a wrong track. And TD is for once
giving something freely to their fans and then you want it not to
be.....................
Have you been eating something you
shouldn't..............=O)....................
Regards
Jan
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
yes - it seems pretty obvious that they don't want to
go through correcting and exchanging all the
Melrose CD, and just stating that it was intentional.
Which I firmly believe is not true.
That mega sucks - and thats the first time I ever
say that.
armin
michaeljean@e... wrote:
> I assumed Martin's comment was a joke. Maybe not!
>
> I DO like that track alot... but I have tried playing it on several
> different CD players and my display jumps around (rather than skips) about
> 5 seconds ahead and garbles the sound like it is being fast-forwarded. It
> most certainly isn't a click in sync with the music.
>
> MJ
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Armin Theissen Armin.Theissen@s...
> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:33 +0000
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:' faulty'
>
>
>
> give me a break!
>
> lucky enough that I'm not that keen on that track anyway.
>
> armin
>
>
>
> TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
>
>
>>Dear list,
>>
>>here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the
>>
> 'skipping'-issue:
>
>>'skipping' on the Melrose Years:
>>
>>we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that
>>
> can
>
>>be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at
>>
> Heart'
>
>>on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of
>>
> the
>
>>song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is
>>neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a
>>deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes.
>>
> If
>
>>you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD
>>
> runs
>
>>through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen
>>closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the
>>tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You
>>will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on
>>every one of them.
>>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Martin Kasprzak
>>TDI- Music- Support.
>>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>>
>>Visit our Website at:
>>
>>http://www.tangerinedream.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Thank you Martin
>Joe should be thanked at least
>twice a week for keeping it running for as long as it has. (maybe more than
>twice a week too)
I second that! THANK YOU JOE :-)!!!!
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
At 11:39 11.12.02, you wrote:
>I assumed Martin's comment was a joke. Maybe not!
*Not really, if you interpret it in the sense that I do not take any of
this personal...
No love lost, no matter how much you bicker... (now I´m back into Joy
Division quotes ... harf)
Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in to
us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the
ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:23
am
Subject: Last word on the forum issue?
Well, I've been lingering in lurk mode for some time, but when I got back from
that weekend when the whole thing cropped up, I thought I'll add my thoughts.
When the forum started up I duly applied for my password, but I never got round
to making a contribution. I tended to be rather put off with some of the
comments that were made there and thus I never felt like contributing, except
maybe I should have said 'For god's sake!!! WILL YOU ALL JUST GROW UP!!!'
It got to the point where I was making the analogy of TDI being a corporation,
with Edgar and Jerome as the Board of directors, and the fans being the
shareholders. When the directors started to make decisions much to the
displeasure of the shareholders, they objected, and they did so publically,
knowing that as shareholders, they should have the power to oust the board for
making such 'rash' decisions - but they know they can't.
(The only trouble is that the fans are not shareholders, but many are beginning
to seriously believe that they should be, and that they should now be party to
the band's decision making process. They are now actively demanding Edgar and
Jerome should do this, that, or the other and that they, the fans, know better).
The problem is that TD find themselves in a unique position. They have put
together an extraordinary number of albums in a very short space of time, and
inevitably out of all the beauty some do not reach expectations. But even out
of all so called disappointing albums - there are disagreements among the
'shareholders'. I'm not keen on 'Tyranny of Beauty' but many love it for being
different, while in my opinion 'Tyger' is one of the best works of anybody but
is derided for the sole reason that it has vocals. The vocal 'Shareholders'
demand that TD should never, ever do vocals again; They should go back to their
roots and improvise again; Get Chris Franke back; Never, ever, under ANY
circumstances touch old material (Paul Stump even uses the 'term' 'interfere'
on Tangents, which IMO is grossly unfair because on the whole EF did a pretty
good job); and so on. IMHO, I think it was a mistake to open up a forum and be
subject to all the negativity (who says anything if it works?).
What, I think, everyone has missed the point is that the music of TD is (to use
an analogy again) a journey which started at 'Electronic Meditation' and is
still going with plenty of fuel supplies. The difference is that they're not
using the motorway to their final destination (Every album sounding like
'Phaedra and Rubycon') but are visiting some interesting cities (Cyclone,
Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty etc), some little villages (Stratosfear, Optical
Race), some beautiful scenary (Hyperborea, White Eagle, Oasis), stop on the way
for the occasional rest (Canyon Dreams, Seven Letters of Tibet), visit a few
galleries (Inferno, Transiberia) and so on.
If they just took the motorway, the journey would have finished many years ago.
I for one want them to continue the journey and am looking forward to receiving
the Melrose set after everybody's positive comments (apart from, of course,
that track problem which EF says is ok but some of us don't want to believe).
I do have to give a lot of credit to Joe for looking after this group and, I
have to say many of the contributors who on the whole have shown they are grown
up and IF they have to criticise, they do it in a constructive way.
Also to you Martin, I admire your patience and am happy that you do see us as a
pretty sensible bunch and that we can be trusted. You are our link with the
band and we have to ensure that you remain with us willingly.
Okay, I think that's it... I hope everyone understood what I was trying to say
(I think I do, I hope!) so back to lurk mode, unless I have to answer any
comments made... or maybe start this thread:
If every TD album were destinations on a long journey that will end when the
creativity fuel runs out, what would they be?
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:43
am
Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake
Could someone who remembers please refresh MY memory.
What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The Snowman'
and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to remember).
Sorry if this is REALLY old news, but I ran across several copies,
remebered that there WAS a connection, and couldn't get past that.
Anyone got the connection?
Thanks,
John
Hi John,
The theme from 'The Snowman' (arranged by TD) was played over the closing
titles of the film. Incidentally (as far as I am aware) this film is the
only instance where TD use two non-original pieces (the other being 'Gloria
Theme' which was cpmposed many many years ago by Thomas Tallis).
Incidentally, 'Keep' fans in Britain - The said movie is being shown on Sky
Cinema 2 at 11.00pm on Boxing Day!
- Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:30
am
Subject: The Keep
Goddamn digests... ;-0
>>What is the connection between the Howard Blake work 'The
>>Snowman' and Tangerine Dream (The Keep ?? , I seem to
>>remember).
>The Keep endtheme is more than loosely based on the song
>'Walking on the Air' aka the 'Theme from the Snowman.'
Less than loosely based, morelike. ;)
>This was deliberate. Michael Mann asked for it.
I can see why, seeing as the orginal intended (?)
ending has Glaeken literally floating in the air down into
the bottom of the keep before he is revived.
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:52
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell
into my TD basket: :-)
Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM
broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr
Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM
broadcast, 2 cdr
Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
copy, 2 cdr
Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM
broadcast, 1 cdr
Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2
cdr
Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience
recording, 1 cdr
Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr
Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986
audience master tape copy, 2 cdr
Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2
cdr
Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape
copy, 2 cdr
This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days,
distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment
structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late
January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these
fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days?
;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for
the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar &
Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig?
~lol~
regards
Heiko
P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will
be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it
doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on
the East coast.
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:33
pm
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
Hi There
Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!!
(see Informations below - after signature)
I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks.
So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III.
Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree System
Distribution.
Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you will
soon be abble to download the artworks through his website.
More information will follow.
I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set is
fabulous with very great music.
I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
What do you think about this ?
You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double
CDR
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DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
Disc 1
1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
(c) Olyam Music Production
visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur'
2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
(c) Nightbirds
3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
(c) P. Ellis
4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
(c) Sensorial recordings
visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
(c) Mirage Créations
6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
Stephen Fletcher)
(c) Dream Conspiracy
visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
(c) Ionic
8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
(c) G. Jobim
9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
(c) R. Rollins
Disc 2
1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
(c) Pergamon
2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
(c) O. Briand
3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
(c) F. Yargui
4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
(c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
(c) A. Stocker
6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
(c) M. McMillan
7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
(c) 3N
8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
(c) G. Hemery
visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information.
9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
(c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
(c) J. Owens
Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
Project managed by Yannick Edom
Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
Artwork : Yannick Edom
Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse
(France)
The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
(www.olyam.com)
Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
musicians in this project.
(c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
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From:
'Marcel Engels '
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:47
pm
Subject: Re: Improvisation
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Adele Outland'
wrote:
>
> However, over time I believe band members probably got bored
themselves with
> no structure.
I still see lots of structure in the recordings of 73/74/75.
Only it's a bit looser, they make new ideas on the fly around that
structure.
> I
> especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which
begins with, I
> presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off
with the
> piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the
background
> you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the
rescue with
> a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. Finally, a
sequence
> starts, I presume Franke, and what happens? The others finally come
together
> on something they recognize that they can play, have played
together:
> Sorcerer. So, structure became almost a habit, or at least the
leanings in
> that direction, just for survival.
It is exactly those crashing, stopping and starting weird things that
I like about older TD.
These weird passages where they are finding their way.
Maybe it's the 'struggle' that I like, I don't know.
It all sounds so smooth and right on the 'count' these days
(I'm not talking about TD in particular)...maybe thats why
I listen to a lot of progrock these days.
Oh well, maybe a VST struggle plugin will be released.
You/we can only guess why TD went more to structured, what I or
you say about it is not a fact. :-)
> All IMO of course.
Ah okay. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Last word on the forum issue?
On Thursday 12 December 2002 11:23 am, Roger Hartopp wrote:
> (The only trouble is that the fans are not shareholders, but many
> are beginning to seriously believe that they should be, and that
> they should now be party to the band's decision making process.
> They are now actively demanding Edgar and Jerome should do this,
> that, or the other and that they, the fans, know better).
Well said, Roger. What's worse is that too many of those unhelpful and
inappropriate demands may ultimately cause TD to become rather
disillusioned with making music for their listeners altogether, and
we really don't want that.
> What, I think, everyone has missed the point is that the music of
> TD is (to use an analogy again) a journey which started at
> 'Electronic Meditation' and is still going with plenty of fuel
> supplies. The difference is that they're not using the motorway to
> their final destination (Every album sounding like 'Phaedra and
> Rubycon') but are visiting some interesting cities (Cyclone,
> Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty etc), some little villages (Stratosfear,
> Optical Race), some beautiful scenary (Hyperborea, White Eagle,
> Oasis), stop on the way for the occasional rest (Canyon Dreams,
> Seven Letters of Tibet), visit a few galleries (Inferno,
> Transiberia) and so on.
A good analogy. Personally, I must admit that I do feel a bit
overwhelmed by the mushrooming of new material recently, and struggle
to make sense of it all in the greater context of TD's musical
development (or their 'journey', as you fittingly describe it). But
no matter what one's personal opinion is on recent experiments like
the Dream Mixes, Seven Letters, Inferno or whatever, I would feel sad
if TD stopped doing them.
--
Dennis
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any
chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface?
This is such an unknown period... Brussels 1980 is
probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ?
cheers
armin
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell
> into my TD basket: :-)
>
> Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM
> broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr
> Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM
> broadcast, 2 cdr
> Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
> copy, 2 cdr
> Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM
> broadcast, 1 cdr
> Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2
> cdr
> Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience
> recording, 1 cdr
> Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr
> Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986
> audience master tape copy, 2 cdr
> Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2
> cdr
> Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape
> copy, 2 cdr
>
> This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days,
> distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment
> structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late
> January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these
> fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days?
> ;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for
> the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar &
> Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig?
> ~lol~
>
> regards
> Heiko
>
> P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will
> be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it
> doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on
> the East coast.
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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>
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>
>
>
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From:
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
Heiko:
A good fruit takes a while to come into season.
We can be patient until it is ripe for the picking.
Allison
>
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> Date: 2002/12/12 Thu AM 07:52:43 EST
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>
> Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell
> into my TD basket: :-)
>
> Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM
> broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr
> Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM
> broadcast, 2 cdr
> Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
> copy, 2 cdr
> Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM
> broadcast, 1 cdr
> Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2
> cdr
> Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience
> recording, 1 cdr
> Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr
> Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986
> audience master tape copy, 2 cdr
> Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2
> cdr
> Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape
> copy, 2 cdr
>
> This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days,
> distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment
> structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late
> January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these
> fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days?
> ;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for
> the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar &
> Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig?
> ~lol~
>
> regards
> Heiko
>
> P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will
> be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it
> doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on
> the East coast.
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
> Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any
> chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface?
as you will know there aren't many fan or broadcast recordings which cover the
early period of TD. But rest assured that sooner or later recordings like
Cologne 1972, Ponts de Ce 1973, or Essen 1968 will find its way on either the
Tangerine Tree or on Tangerine leaves. Sometimes it's difficult to find out who
has the best available source for a certain concert, and especially for the
'vintage' concerts I will only release concerts where the tape has a generation
which is close to the master.
> This is such an unknown period... Brussels 1980 is
> probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ?
Nostrasgram was a 'condensed' 1 CDR version of Brussels 1980, the Tree version
contains the complete concert and has been remastered again.
regards
Heiko
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
great. I have Nostrasgram, and it says on the cover that the full
concert would be available as a fan tape. Glad to get the full
thing, I love this concert, both for the actual music and because
the Duesseldorf concert of that tour two or three days before or after
the Brussels concert was the first TD concert I was on... (the first
'rock' concert I was on anyway...)
I think there is absolutely no recording of the Duesseldorf show - which
is maybe good from Johannes Schmoelling's point of view because he made
a mistake in there, mixing in a sequence too early and abruptly mixing
it out again...
The tour was extended later, and I saw it again in Aachen in January
1981. I have three pictures on it on my website - maybe you want to
use this for the cover... ;-)
http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/aachen/tdac.html
cheers
armin
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
>>Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any
>>chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface?
>>
>
> as you will know there aren't many fan or broadcast recordings which cover the
> early period of TD. But rest assured that sooner or later recordings like
> Cologne 1972, Ponts de Ce 1973, or Essen 1968 will find its way on either the
> Tangerine Tree or on Tangerine leaves. Sometimes it's difficult to find out
who
> has the best available source for a certain concert, and especially for the
> 'vintage' concerts I will only release concerts where the tape has a
generation
> which is close to the master.
>
>
>>This is such an unknown period... Brussels 1980 is
>>probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ?
>>
>
> Nostrasgram was a 'condensed' 1 CDR version of Brussels 1980, the Tree version
> contains the complete concert and has been remastered again.
>
> regards
> Heiko
>
>
>
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>
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From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:12
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III
Hello everyone:
Thanks to Yannick for all his hard work!!
As usual, this will be a Redbook CDR tree, with artwork to be downloaded by
each participant. Once it's available Yannick and/or Fred will let us know.
If downloading it is impossible for you, make arrangements through your
branch in the tree.
As for the tree, please contact me if you'd like to participate at
trichmond@b...
Please include the following:
Full name
email address
Snail mail address (at least city,state/country so I can organize
things)
Whether you prefer to be a leaf of branch
If you prefer branch status, let me know how many leaves you can
support
Please note the following:
a) I don't have the discs yet, so it'll be a bit. Plus, it's the
holidays - I have a life, and I presume most of you do as well.
Expect things to get moving after the first of the year.
b) If this tree is like the last two, there will be more branch
requests then needed.
It's nothing personal if you end up as a leaf instead of a
branch.
If there are latecomers, they'll be sent your way.
c) The preferred transaction is an even trade between branch and
leaf, but whatever is acceptable to both parties is OK.
Best not to put cash in the mail, though.
d) I'd hope to close sign-ups shortly after the holidays, say
January 3rd, and have the tree organized the following week.
e) I have a short list of participants who'd emailed me previously
via the tadream website link for DWT II.
I won't be offended if you sign up again, but it's not
required.
If you're not sure, best to sign up again.
If you have any questions, give a shout at trichmond@b... Note that
I'm away from this PC between Christmas Eve and New Years Day, so messages
sent during that time won't get a response (unless I'm REAL bored) until the
new year.
Happy Holidays!
Tom
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in to
> us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the
> ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping)
Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have on their
cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players have
different error-detection handling for some this signal could be irritating
and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not compatible
with old hardware?
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Episode III - Artworks Low Res files online !!!
Hi again
You can now see the front cover artworks in the yahoogroups files section of
Tadream mailing list.
So check these two links (under folder DWT)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/DWT/CD-FINAL-COVER.gif
It's the cover for the regular 2CDRs set
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/DWT/CD-PROMO-COVER.gif
It's the cover for the very limited preview CDR for the musicians ONLY also
available soon by Tom Richmond.
As you can see this time i turn more surrealistic.
Waiting for your reactions
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:49
pm
Subject: Re: Last word on the forum issue?
I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised music
with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so short-sighted
and is the latest party line from the Edgar apologists.
Improvised live music is not folly. Actually it is an indication of bravery
and respect for the audience. I've said and still feel that current TD
output is overcomposed and is put together in a cut-and-paste fashion.
Whereas TD may have used preset sounds in the 1980's, they used these
simple sounds as raw materials and had to do a lot of work to turn it into
a musical piece. Now, TD uses entire preset samples and rhythm loops. I've
heard entire rhythm sequences from the Dream Mixes albums in infomercials
and heard the majority of the rhythm sequences used on Dream Mixes III
(especially the Comfort Zone [Logos], Prime Time, and The Spirit of the
Czar [Poland]) in a Sherlock Holmes TV movie on USA Network entitled 'Case
of Evil'.
I was amazed (I really shouldn't be) when Edgar described the sequences of
the 1970's as (paraphrasing) 'We would set a sequencer going and then we
had to stay within the confines of that sequence.' He also made some
comments implying that the sequencer did not change very much. I see these
comments as a slap in the face to Chris Franke. The fact is, I have yet to
hear someone change a sequence so dramatically within the span of a few
minutes to accommodate a changing melody and rhythm line. Marcel of FSP has
done some very nice sequence changes too. Something I wish TD would try to
do live.
I think part of my respect for the older TD is that the music was daring.
The music had composing challenges. And most of all, it was not
overcomposed. There was breathing space around the music. Every theme was
given due course to develop before going on to the next sequence. Compare
20 minutes of Logos to the 5 minute Optical Race title track. Optical Race
covers more musical ground (very poorly I might add) than Logos does in 20
minutes. And more importantly, there is no longer any breathing room for
the ears.
Have you ever found yourself humming a theme from Logos, Le Parc, etc. and
then when you play back the album, you realize you have added your own
notes that were not present in the original music? It sounds so subtle, so
trivial, but this is one of the things TD has lost over the years.
As for the forum and releasing concert recordings 'unharmed', as has been
said before, Tangents and Dream Roots are Edgar's boxed sets to do with
what he wants. They are reworked and recomposed versions of music we
already have available to us in the original (or as close to it as
possible) form. But with the iBox, Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, and even
Antique Dreams, we are not given a chance to get the music as it originally
sounded. We are only given one choice, the remixed version which pays no
respects to the compositional involvement of the original artists.
It appears clear now that Edgar remixes and recomposes all these releases
so that he gets an increased compositional credit and higher % of the
release. What a shame that Edgar who has expressed his frustration at the
record labels for 25 years is resorting to the same tactics he despised so
much in them. Also it appears that Edgar is not willing to pay for talented
people to check and doublecheck sound quality, the typography, etc. on each
release. I hope I am wrong about all these things and that the last 6 years
of fiasco releases have all been honest mistakes. But the mountain of
evidence is growing.
People will read this and ask, 'why are you subscribed to this list, you
are a fair-weather TD fan who just stirs up trouble.' Well, the answer is
#1, people often ask questions trying to demystify the labeling of so many
albums and to better understand specific concerts, etc. And #2 I am a TD
fan, even if I only like part of the catalogue. Furthermore, there IS a
place here for discussion about the times and the recordings that put TD on
the map.
If TD were all about Optical Race, Melrose, and Tyranny of Beauty, sure
they'd have some fans. They'd be recognized as just another member of the
electronic music community, creating pleasant, but not groundbreaking
music. But it is the pioneering work that TD did as a diametrically opposed
trio (3 artists with different ideas and directions creating wonderful
music) that got TD put on the map and on the radio.
I'm looking back on what I just typed. What a disjointed posting!
Anyway, if someone can make some sense out of Edgar's release decisions
over the last 6 years, I'd like to hear it. He is willing to release some
old material, but he's not willing to do it the 'right' way (in my
opinion). Is it artistic vision? Is it to get a bigger piece of the
profits? Is it to satisfy a record label's demand?
It's not that Edgar should see us as shareholders. It's that Edgar should
ask himself why he feels the need to treat his fans so differently and so
oddly compared to how other artists treat their fans.
-Morgan
a TD fan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>Heiko Heerssen said:
>Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
>copy, 2 cdr
Woo hoo! Bring on the 1976 shows. :)
The sound quality on this should be exceptional.
>Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr
Curious to hear how much clearer this is than my current version.
>Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape
>copy, 2 cdr
Yesssss!!!! So now we have one excellent recording of every tour from
1980-1982.
1980.01.31 Palast der Republik (Tangerine Tree 17)
1980.10.13 Brussels (replaces 'Nostragram')
1981.02.02 Paris Bataclan (Tangerine Tree 14)
1981.10.25 Newcastle (Tangerine Tree 10)
1982.03.01 Melbourne, Australia (Strange Attractions)
1982.10.31 Croydon Fairfield Hall (Tangerine Tree 12)
1982.11.15 Berlin ICC (Classic Tree/KA repl. Logotypes)
Heiko,
All I can say is excellent job and it's really worth all the effort!
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:06
pm
Subject: Re: faulty
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, René Brenner
wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote:
> > Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send
it in to
> > us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have
the
> > ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping)
>
> Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have
on their
> cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players
have
> different error-detection handling for some this signal could be
irritating
> and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not
compatible
> with old hardware?
This makes a lot of sense, as my copy skips in my older machine (1995
vintage) and not in my brand new player, where it is only ticking.
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>From: Armin Theissen
>Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:48 am
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>Great news, Heiko! Looking forward to it all. Are there any
>chances that even older material than Nov '73 will surface?
>This is such an unknown period...
The Tangerine Trees are not new recordings per se. They are the best
possible tape (usually struck from the master audience or FM radio tape)
which has not been heard outside of a small circle of 5-6 diehard TD
collectors with high-end analogue transfer equipment. So far, the Tangerine
Tree releases have generally beaten the pants off the previously widely
distributed fantape/bootleg.
I believe the list of recordings from 1968-1973 stands at 8 and would only
be revisited by the Tangerine Tree if a better tape comes forward than the
one generally in circulation.
The 8 recordings from 1968 are listed here: (look for the Yes in the far
right column)
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/68-74.html
The Chichester Festival (Oedipus Tyrannus) has been mentioned as a possible
future TT release, but Heiko might surprise us with another rare recording. :)
-Morgan
np. Nov 22, 1976
>Brussels 1980 is
>probably aka 'Nostrasgrasm' ?
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:27
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
> From: Heiko Heerssen Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM
>broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr
This recording is just fabulous. Anyone who's used to hearing Staatsgrenze
West and/or White Cloths is in for a tremendous surprise.
/Olle
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
hi,
skipping or not, I don't think that the ticking noise
can be truly intended. Its exactly the same ticking you
get when it skips, spoils the listening experience, and
IMHO cannot be part of the music.
This one makes me really going through the roof,
not so much the fact that the track is screwed up, but
that those who messed it up state that it is intended.
armin
Stephen Manship wrote:
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, René Brenner
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
>>
> wrote:
>
>>>Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send
>>>
> it in to
>
>>>us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have
>>>
> the
>
>>>ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping)
>>>
>>Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have
>>
> on their
>
>>cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players
>>
> have
>
>>different error-detection handling for some this signal could be
>>
> irritating
>
>>and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not
>>
> compatible
>
>>with old hardware?
>>
>
> This makes a lot of sense, as my copy skips in my older machine (1995
> vintage) and not in my brand new player, where it is only ticking.
>
>
>
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
'Roger Hartopp '
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:27
pm
Subject: Re: Last word on the forum issue?
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised
music
> with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so
short-sighted
> and is the latest party line from the Edgar apologists...
Me, an Edgar apologist? I'm sure you don't mean specifically me, and I
do agree with your points, But some people on the forum were just a
bit more blunt...
>
> Improvised live music is not folly. Actually it is an indication of
bravery
> and respect for the audience. I've said and still feel that current
TD
> output is overcomposed and is put together in a cut-and-paste
fashion.
> Whereas TD may have used preset sounds in the 1980's, they used
these
> simple sounds as raw materials and had to do a lot of work to turn
it into
> a musical piece. Now, TD uses entire preset samples and rhythm
loops. I've
> heard entire rhythm sequences from the Dream Mixes albums in
infomercials
> and heard the majority of the rhythm sequences used on Dream Mixes
III
> (especially the Comfort Zone [Logos], Prime Time, and The Spirit of
the
> Czar [Poland]) in a Sherlock Holmes TV movie on USA Network entitled
'Case
> of Evil'.
It would be terrific if TD, for this special concert in February in
London, are able to include an improvised set. This, and Edgar putting
his guitar back on would bring the house down...
> As for the forum and releasing concert recordings 'unharmed', as has
been
> said before, Tangents and Dream Roots are Edgar's boxed sets to do
with
> what he wants...
At the time Edgar didn't want to do so. But Virgin told him that they
would do a remix job so rather they touch it he would do so. It's
a shame though that Chris and Johannes weren't involved, but what
was done was okay and with 'Permagon' (the piano part) wasan
improvement. Then Castle Communications got into the act.
Admittedly trying to explain what was done on 'Soundmill' is next
to impossible, but maybe Edgar felt at the time that, rather like
an old home video, it could be better edited with a few extras thrown
in. But it would have been nice to have known this fact beforehand.
(Which I know leads into all the other arguments and I take their
points)...
> People will read this and ask, 'why are you subscribed to this list,
you
> are a fair-weather TD fan who just stirs up trouble.'
On the contrary, you may appear to 'stir up trouble' but
your arguments are clear, eloquent and do not resort to abuse.
The opposite is what they don't like.
Ooops, have to go... back to work. Might write more on this tomorrow.
- Roger Hartopp
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
That last part is what I am thinking about. The number of CDrs have grown
and 1 dvd would fit them well. Also the Audio part would not be bad either.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:39 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> Hi Dale,
>
> Do you mean the DVD Digital Tree initiative of Duncan or something
> else. Because the DVD Digital Tree of Duncan is about 13 video
> concerts and you can't put them on a CDR without any consequence. In
> order to put them on a CDR you do have to convert the video-files to
> a DIVX format which can only be played on a PC...
>
> An other good idea is to sent the SHN-files of a 'normal' Tangerine
> Tree on a DVD-R/+R disc. One complete tree might even fit on 1 disc.
> This would greatly reduce the snail mail costs and burning 1 DVD disc
> is faster than 5 CDR discs with SHN-files. In TT3 I signed up as a
> branch for SHN-files but, if it is okay, I'll sent those files on DVD
> disk to the leaves.
>
> Regards,
> Roger
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote:
> > Going a bit more into this... I am about to purchase a DVD Burner
> for home
> > use. How many in the list would like this over CDR? I am doing a
> head count
> > to see just what we might be dealing with. I have a DVD burner now
> for
> > business use.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Herbert'
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:02 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> >
> >
> > > Hi Collin,
> > > did you get any response on your mail?
> > > I might have missed that thing too.
> > > The only thing I've recognized several weeks ago was Duncan
> anouncing he
> > > would do some DVD using a new hardware.
> > > Would be nice you could give me information (in case you got
> some).
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Herbert
> > >
> > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: gkopuy [mailto:Okar.Gona@s...]
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. November 2002 16:56
> > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > Did I mis something. Would you be so kind to clarify what the
> > > Tangerine Dream DVD Digital Tree is all about. I would be very
> happy
> > > to join because I just have a XX-generation VHS tape with all
> kind of
> > > recordings. Needless to say that this quality is unwatchable...
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote:
> > > > I would like to post a message thanking Mr DM for the superb
> effort
> > > > and time put into the above subject,without people like him we
> > > would
> > > > never see these fantastic events in our TD lifetime.DM youre an
> > > > absolute TD diamond.
> > > > Many Thanks
> > > > Colin South Wales UK
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
I am in for a fourth DT..................=O)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Yannick EDOM'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:33 PM
Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
> Hi There
>
> Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!!
> (see Informations below - after signature)
>
> I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks.
> So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III.
> Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree
System
> Distribution.
>
> Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you
will
> soon be abble to download the artworks through his website.
> More information will follow.
>
> I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set
is
> fabulous with very great music.
>
> I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
> What do you think about this ?
> You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales
double
> CDR
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
> Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
>
> Disc 1
> 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
> (c) Olyam Music Production
> visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal
Rêveur'
>
> 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
> (c) Nightbirds
>
> 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
> (c) P. Ellis
>
> 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
> (c) Sensorial recordings
> visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
>
> 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
> (c) Mirage Créations
>
> 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
> Stephen Fletcher)
> (c) Dream Conspiracy
> visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
>
> 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
> (c) Ionic
>
> 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
> (c) G. Jobim
>
> 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
> (c) R. Rollins
>
> Disc 2
> 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
> (c) Pergamon
>
> 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
> (c) O. Briand
>
> 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
> (c) F. Yargui
>
> 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
> (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
>
> 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
> (c) A. Stocker
>
> 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
> (c) M. McMillan
>
> 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
> (c) 3N
>
> 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
> (c) G. Hemery
> visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information.
>
> 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
> (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
>
> 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
> (c) J. Owens
>
>
> Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
> Project managed by Yannick Edom
> Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
> Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
> Artwork : Yannick Edom
> Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
> Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations,
Toulouse
> (France)
>
> The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
> Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
> Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
> (www.olyam.com)
> Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
> Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
> musicians in this project.
>
> (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
>
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue?
Morgan has spoken these parts which I now add too.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue?
I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised music
with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so short-sighted and
is the latest party line from the Edgar apologists.
**************
I say, are these not the same people who say those who compose music with a
drum is also staying in the past. After all that drum is a bit older than
the analog synth. So why not follow that trail a bit further and say
anything older than 10 years (heck go for it, less than a second ago) is
passé?
Each to their own I say... If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Dale
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
second that
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
> I am in for a fourth DT..................=O)
>
> Jan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Yannick EDOM'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
> Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>
>
> > Hi There
> >
> > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!!
> > (see Informations below - after signature)
> >
> > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks.
> > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III.
> > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree
> System
> > Distribution.
> >
> > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you
> will
> > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website.
> > More information will follow.
> >
> > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this
set
> is
> > fabulous with very great music.
> >
> > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
> > What do you think about this ?
> > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
> >
> > Friendly from France
> >
> > Yannick Edom
> > Mirage Créations
> > Champlain B7 A 101
> > 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> > 31500 TOULOUSE
> > FRANCE
> >
> > e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
> >
> > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales
> double
> > CDR
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
> > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
> >
> > Disc 1
> > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
> > (c) Olyam Music Production
> > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal
> Rêveur'
> >
> > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
> > (c) Nightbirds
> >
> > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
> > (c) P. Ellis
> >
> > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
> > (c) Sensorial recordings
> > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
> >
> > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
> > (c) Mirage Créations
> >
> > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John
Stringer -
> > Stephen Fletcher)
> > (c) Dream Conspiracy
> > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
> >
> > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
> > (c) Ionic
> >
> > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
> > (c) G. Jobim
> >
> > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
> > (c) R. Rollins
> >
> > Disc 2
> > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
> > (c) Pergamon
> >
> > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
> > (c) O. Briand
> >
> > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
> > (c) F. Yargui
> >
> > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
> > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
> >
> > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
> > (c) A. Stocker
> >
> > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
> > (c) M. McMillan
> >
> > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
> > (c) 3N
> >
> > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
> > (c) G. Hemery
> > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information.
> >
> > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
> > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
> >
> > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
> > (c) J. Owens
> >
> >
> > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
> > Project managed by Yannick Edom
> > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
> > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
> > Artwork : Yannick Edom
> > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
> > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations,
> Toulouse
> > (France)
> >
> > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
> > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
> > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
> > (www.olyam.com)
> > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
> > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
> > musicians in this project.
> >
> > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:25
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track
Here's my question- being new to this list- where is TDI? URL please?
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:22 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves/Tangents Track
>Hi All,
>Word is that 'Ruling the Waves' will be available at TDI for download. This
>is great news of course, but I wonder if it would be too much to ask if TDI
>uploads the missing Rubycon track from Tangents as well.
>On another note, I like the Melrose box quite well. Some of the tracks I
>didn't like the first time around I still don't like, but the tracks I do
>like I like even more with the additions.
>Cheers,
>Marc
Could I suggest TDI not to offer Ruling the Waves freely... only against
some order details or something, so the box won't lose its attractivity? (?)
I don't know if this is possible, but anyway.
[Note: I don't myself have the set, so no selfliness accusations please]
John Vertical
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
and is anyone interested in all three one 1 DVD?
soon to be a 4th if it comes to being?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
> I am in for a fourth DT..................=O)
>
> Jan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Yannick EDOM'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
> Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>
>
> > Hi There
> >
> > Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!!
> > (see Informations below - after signature)
> >
> > I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks.
> > So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III.
> > Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree
> System
> > Distribution.
> >
> > Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you
> will
> > soon be abble to download the artworks through his website.
> > More information will follow.
> >
> > I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this
set
> is
> > fabulous with very great music.
> >
> > I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
> > What do you think about this ?
> > You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
> >
> > Friendly from France
> >
> > Yannick Edom
> > Mirage Créations
> > Champlain B7 A 101
> > 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> > 31500 TOULOUSE
> > FRANCE
> >
> > e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
> >
> > P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales
> double
> > CDR
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
> > Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
> >
> > Disc 1
> > 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
> > (c) Olyam Music Production
> > visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal
> Rêveur'
> >
> > 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
> > (c) Nightbirds
> >
> > 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
> > (c) P. Ellis
> >
> > 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
> > (c) Sensorial recordings
> > visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
> >
> > 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
> > (c) Mirage Créations
> >
> > 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John
Stringer -
> > Stephen Fletcher)
> > (c) Dream Conspiracy
> > visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
> >
> > 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
> > (c) Ionic
> >
> > 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
> > (c) G. Jobim
> >
> > 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
> > (c) R. Rollins
> >
> > Disc 2
> > 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
> > (c) Pergamon
> >
> > 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
> > (c) O. Briand
> >
> > 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
> > (c) F. Yargui
> >
> > 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
> > (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
> >
> > 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
> > (c) A. Stocker
> >
> > 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
> > (c) M. McMillan
> >
> > 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
> > (c) 3N
> >
> > 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
> > (c) G. Hemery
> > visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information.
> >
> > 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
> > (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
> >
> > 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
> > (c) J. Owens
> >
> >
> > Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
> > Project managed by Yannick Edom
> > Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
> > Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
> > Artwork : Yannick Edom
> > Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
> > Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations,
> Toulouse
> > (France)
> >
> > The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
> > Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
> > Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
> > (www.olyam.com)
> > Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
> > Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
> > musicians in this project.
> >
> > (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you
sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the US?
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:53 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
Yesterday I was shaking the tree and the following tasty tangerines fell
into my TD basket: :-)
Volume 17: Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980 evening show FM
broadcast (tape copy of reel-to-reel master) 2 cdr
Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2nd generation CHOM-FM
broadcast, 2 cdr
Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
copy, 2 cdr
Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set' FM
broadcast, 1 cdr
Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992 DAT master audience, 2
cdr
Volume 22: Orange Théatre Antique et Gymnase 16 August 1975 audience
recording, 1 cdr
Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973 FM broadcast, 1 cdr
Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre 06 June 1986
audience master tape copy, 2 cdr
Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977 audience recording, 2
cdr
Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980 audience master tape
copy, 2 cdr
This DOES NOT mean that everything will be ready in a couple of days,
distribution and everything else (cover artwork download, TT3 assignment
structure for SHN/redbook etc. etc.) will not start before late
January/early February, simply because we are not ready yet...these
fruits still have to ripen (maybe because it is so damn cold these days?
;-) If all goes along as planned I will take some TT3 sets with me for
the London Astoria gig in February, including a box set for Edgar &
Martin...hmm, maybe they can include some of the music for their gig?
~lol~
regards
Heiko
P.S.: this time all my tree cdr's which go out to the United States will
be sent via surface mail. It's soo much cheaper and I found out that it
doesn't take much longer than airmail, especially for those who live on
the East coast.
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From:
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
Yannick:
This may have already been answered on list before.
So I hope that my stupid question will not provoke an equalily stupid answer.
How can we receive the recording, has a tree already been announced?
Thank you for answers,
Allison
>
> From: 'Yannick EDOM'
> Date: 2002/12/12 Thu AM 07:33:01 EST
> To:
> Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>
> Hi There
>
> Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!!
> (see Informations below - after signature)
>
> I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks.
> So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III.
> Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree System
> Distribution.
>
> Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you will
> soon be abble to download the artworks through his website.
> More information will follow.
>
> I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set is
> fabulous with very great music.
>
> I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
> What do you think about this ?
> You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales double
> CDR
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
> Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
>
> Disc 1
> 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
> (c) Olyam Music Production
> visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal Rêveur'
>
> 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
> (c) Nightbirds
>
> 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
> (c) P. Ellis
>
> 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
> (c) Sensorial recordings
> visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
>
> 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
> (c) Mirage Créations
>
> 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
> Stephen Fletcher)
> (c) Dream Conspiracy
> visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
>
> 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
> (c) Ionic
>
> 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
> (c) G. Jobim
>
> 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
> (c) R. Rollins
>
> Disc 2
> 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
> (c) Pergamon
>
> 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
> (c) O. Briand
>
> 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
> (c) F. Yargui
>
> 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
> (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
>
> 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
> (c) A. Stocker
>
> 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
> (c) M. McMillan
>
> 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
> (c) 3N
>
> 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
> (c) G. Hemery
> visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information.
>
> 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
> (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
>
> 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
> (c) J. Owens
>
>
> Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
> Project managed by Yannick Edom
> Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
> Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
> Artwork : Yannick Edom
> Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
> Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations, Toulouse
> (France)
>
> The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
> Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
> Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
> (www.olyam.com)
> Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
> Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
> musicians in this project.
>
> (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>From: 'Debra Wilson'
>Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:53 am
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>
>Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you
>sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the US?
The Tangerine Tree is a collection of the best possible audience and FM
radio tape recordings of Tangerine Dream concerts. In most cases, these
recordings are significantly better than the previous widely available tape.
It's not a distribution, it's a project, which takes much time and effort
by many people. The original audience tapes are being wrangled from the
diehard TD fans by Heiko H., then he turns them over to his 'remastering
slaves' who give the digital treatment to each of the tapes. Meanwhile
professional-quality artwork is prepared for each disc in the set.
This third chapter in the Tangerine Tree project brings the number of
Tangerine Tree volumes to 24. To see a listing of the other concerts
represented so far, look here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html
(hopefully Joe will integrate this info into his TDTREE website one day)
As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long
sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2
months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for
distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world.
The last 2 Trees were distributed to at least 400 people each, plus any
copies those directly involved made for their friends. Edgar Froese has
personally received copies of each Tree from Heiko H. and they have
actually been met with approval or at least tolerance. :)
To sign up for the Tangerine Tree, which stands for the (nearly) free
exchange of concert recordings, rather than trying to profit from TD's
music, send an e-mail to joe@t... with 'Tangerine Tree LEAF' in the
topic.
The general practice is to mail 2 blank CDs for every 1 CD you will be
getting from your 'branch'. You may be able to arrange with your branch to
get copies of all 24 volumes of the Tangerine Tree.
-Morgan
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'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
To add a bit more, I am going to put them on DVD. Biggest reason, to cut the
number of disks down a bit.
Nada else than having a few less disks.
Good job describing the tree and the process Morgan. Very good job!
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>
> >From: 'Debra Wilson'
> >Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:53 am
> >Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
> >
> >Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you
> >sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the
US?
>
> The Tangerine Tree is a collection of the best possible audience and FM
> radio tape recordings of Tangerine Dream concerts. In most cases, these
> recordings are significantly better than the previous widely available
tape.
>
> It's not a distribution, it's a project, which takes much time and effort
> by many people. The original audience tapes are being wrangled from the
> diehard TD fans by Heiko H., then he turns them over to his 'remastering
> slaves' who give the digital treatment to each of the tapes. Meanwhile
> professional-quality artwork is prepared for each disc in the set.
>
> This third chapter in the Tangerine Tree project brings the number of
> Tangerine Tree volumes to 24. To see a listing of the other concerts
> represented so far, look here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html
>
> (hopefully Joe will integrate this info into his TDTREE website one day)
>
> As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long
> sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2
> months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for
> distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world.
>
> The last 2 Trees were distributed to at least 400 people each, plus any
> copies those directly involved made for their friends. Edgar Froese has
> personally received copies of each Tree from Heiko H. and they have
> actually been met with approval or at least tolerance. :)
>
> To sign up for the Tangerine Tree, which stands for the (nearly) free
> exchange of concert recordings, rather than trying to profit from TD's
> music, send an e-mail to joe@t... with 'Tangerine Tree LEAF' in the
> topic.
>
> The general practice is to mail 2 blank CDs for every 1 CD you will be
> getting from your 'branch'. You may be able to arrange with your branch to
> get copies of all 24 volumes of the Tangerine Tree.
>
> -Morgan
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
Has been said that Edgar is a head of his time....
rrr.r.r.r.rrr that one was overdue....
;-)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'René Brenner'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: faulty
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:17:24 +0100, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> > Regarding the CD - if your display jupms around, you should send it in
to
> > us and we´ll replace it witha new copy (...which will still have the
> > ticking, though, but hopefully no jumping)
>
> Martin, I actually think that this jumping that certain people have on
their
> cd players is caused by the ticking signal. Because some cd players have
> different error-detection handling for some this signal could be
irritating
> and cause the skip. Perhaps this new Edgar-skip-feature is not compatible
> with old hardware?
>
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>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:46
pm
Subject: Martin Kasprzak (Gigs)
I don't recall rading in any of the post, and might have missed them too,
how your gigs went this year?
Dale
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
Guess you did not even read Yannicks mail.........try again..........=O)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
Yannick:
This may have already been answered on list before.
So I hope that my stupid question will not provoke an equalily stupid
answer.
How can we receive the recording, has a tree already been announced?
Thank you for answers,
Allison
>
> From: 'Yannick EDOM'
> Date: 2002/12/12 Thu AM 07:33:01 EST
> To:
> Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>
> Hi There
>
> Now the new Dreamwatchers' Tales double CDR is RELEASED !!!!
> (see Informations below - after signature)
>
> I posted today the whole package with CDRs and artworks.
> So Tom Richmond who are the tree manager will receive soon the DWT III.
> Please contact Tom for every information about the Dreamwatchers Tree
System
> Distribution.
>
> Also Fred Yargui will receive his copy and the whole artworks ; so you
will
> soon be abble to download the artworks through his website.
> More information will follow.
>
> I hope you will enjoy this new Dreamwatchers Adventure as i do ; this set
is
> fabulous with very great music.
>
> I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
> What do you think about this ?
> You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> P.S. Here are the Informations about the Regular Dreamwatchers' Tales
double
> CDR
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> DREAMWATCHERS' TALES
> Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams
>
> Disc 1
> 1- Olyam 'Sunrise over Lake Powell' (Olyam)
> (c) Olyam Music Production
> visit www.olyam.com for infomation about his latest album 'Cristal
Rêveur'
>
> 2- Nightbirds 'Trans-Cyberian Energy' (Modular - Bluedesk)
> (c) Nightbirds
>
> 3- Paul Ellis 'In the Moment (for Joe Shoults)' (P. Ellis)
> (c) P. Ellis
>
> 4- Döktor Strange 'Cyberjarovisation' (Dr Strange)
> (c) Sensorial recordings
> visit www.sensorial.org for information about lastest project.
>
> 5- Darklion 'Floating Satellites' (Darklion)
> (c) Mirage Créations
>
> 6- Dream Conspiracy 'Dust (excerpt)' (Matthew Stringer - John Stringer -
> Stephen Fletcher)
> (c) Dream Conspiracy
> visit www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk for complete version of this track.
>
> 7- Ionic 'Triochame' (Ionic)
> (c) Ionic
>
> 8- Gustavo Jobim 'Mojave Night Sky' (G. Jobim)
> (c) G. Jobim
>
> 9- Rik Rollins 'Let it Go' (R. Rollins)
> (c) R. Rollins
>
> Disc 2
> 1- Pergamon 'Monolith' (Pergamon)
> (c) Pergamon
>
> 2- Olivier Briand 'Peter Influence' (O. Briand)
> (c) O. Briand
>
> 3- Fred Yargui 'Night (for Sami)' (F. Yargui)
> (c) F. Yargui
>
> 4- Darklion & Olyam 'Beyond the Wind' (Darklion - Olyam)
> (c) Mirage Créations & Olyam Music Production
>
> 5- Satsuma Nightmare 'Fool's Gold' (Alan Stocker)
> (c) A. Stocker
>
> 6- DJ Mastermind Miles 'Daylight' (Miles McMillan)
> (c) M. McMillan
>
> 7- 3N 'The White Railway-Engine from Betha' (3N)
> (c) 3N
>
> 8- Gilles Hemery 'The Trip' (G. Hemery)
> (c) G. Hemery
> visit www.gilleshemery.fr.fm for more information.
>
> 9- Darklion & Nightbirds 'Flying Galactic Objects' (Darklion - Modular)
> (c) Mirage Créations & Nightbirds
>
> 10- James Owens 'Nebulosity' (J. Owens)
> (c) J. Owens
>
>
> Dreamwatchers' Tales produced by Darklion for the Tadream Mailing List
> Project managed by Yannick Edom
> Management Assistants : Océane & Marine Brenan
> Audio Mastering & Processing : Darklion
> Artwork : Yannick Edom
> Visual Concept & Cover Design : Darklion & Yannick Edom
> Mastering, Processing & Cover Design at Studios Mirage Créations,
Toulouse
> (France)
>
> The Tracks are produced by their composers for the Tadream Mailig List.
> Distrubuted as a tree system by Tom Richmond
> Informations published by Joe Shoults (www.tadream.net) and Olyam
> (www.olyam.com)
> Many thanks to Joe Shoults, Tom Richmond, Olyam, Océane Brenan, Marine
> Brenan, every member from the Tadream Mailing List and of course every
> musicians in this project.
>
> (c) 2002 Mirage Créations (p) 2003 TML
>
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:51
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI
>Here's my question- being new to this list- where is TDI? URL please?
>
>Debra Wilson
It's their official site. Here you go..
www.tangerinedream.org
John Vertical
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:02
pm
Subject: ruling the waves file format?
Man, I hope TD puts up the' ruling the wave's file up in a few different
formats--or in SHN at least!
--T
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From:
'esculap'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:06
pm
Subject: Re: TT3 and Classic Tree - how to join?
The easiest way to become a part of the Classic Tree is to find an email
address of a person who lives inYour country and ask him/her to make copies
for You. Look at the database (Classic Tree) on yahoogroups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/
I hope, You still may join TT3. Just add Your datas into the next database
(TT3) there.
You have 2 shows - imagine, You'd have 10, 18, 26 shows...
And imagine, You won't have enough free time to listen to them...
Dream on,
Andy
> From: 'frickyohanson'
I'm new to the site having just discovered it today - can any advice
me on how to apply for the above trees or am I too late?
I am based in Scotland, have 2 TD shows and would love to increase my
collection.
Frank
From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:08
pm
Subject: Re: Improvisation
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels '
wrote:
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Adele Outland'
> wrote:
> >
> > However, over time I believe band members probably got bored
> themselves with
> > no structure.
>
> I still see lots of structure in the recordings of 73/74/75.
> Only it's a bit looser, they make new ideas on the fly around that
> structure.
>
> > I
> > especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which
> begins with, I
> > presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked
off
> with the
> > piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the
> background
> > you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the
> rescue with
> > a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all. Finally,
a
> sequence
> > starts, I presume Franke, and what happens? The others finally
come
> together
> > on something they recognize that they can play, have played
> together:
> > Sorcerer. So, structure became almost a habit, or at least the
> leanings in
> > that direction, just for survival.
>
> It is exactly those crashing, stopping and starting weird things
that
> I like about older TD.
> These weird passages where they are finding their way.
> Maybe it's the 'struggle' that I like, I don't know.
> It all sounds so smooth and right on the 'count' these days
> (I'm not talking about TD in particular)...maybe thats why
> I listen to a lot of progrock these days.
> Oh well, maybe a VST struggle plugin will be released.
> You/we can only guess why TD went more to structured, what I or
> you say about it is not a fact. :-)
>
> > All IMO of course.
>
> Ah okay. :-)
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
Free System Projekt,this is the new Tangerine Dream of the Glory
Years,absolute BRILLIANCE.NO,This is Free System Projekt,the best
Electronic band that Lives.MAGIC.
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue?
>I think part of my respect for the older TD is that the music was daring.
>The music had composing challenges. And most of all, it was not
>overcomposed. There was breathing space around the music. Every theme was
>given due course to develop before going on to the next sequence. Compare
>20 minutes of Logos to the 5 minute Optical Race title track. Optical Race
>covers more musical ground (very poorly I might add) than Logos does in 20
>minutes. And more importantly, there is no longer any breathing room for
>the ears.
I agree to some extent...
There always was a definite difference between the lenght of live and studio
tracks. As an example, we have the 68 (!) minute RAH '75 part 1 versus the
17 minute Rubycon parts.
I don't think that Logos develops that slowly (or which 20 minutes do you
mean?) or Optical Race that quickly. What I'd use as an example of a piece
developing rapidly is Desert Drive (on LotB), and slowly, Convention of the
24. But the late Virgin / Blue / Melrose years were not that different
concerning piece lenghts. Take Cat Scan and the bit of Logos that appears on
Sohoman; notice any structural similarity? I agree though, that during the
late 80s the albums started to lose their variety; starting with Underwater
Sunlight. Poland was one of the most colourful TD albums, but Optical Race
already was sort of monotonic, compositionally.
>Have you ever found yourself humming a theme from Logos, Le Parc, etc. and
>then when you play back the album, you realize you have added your own
>notes that were not present in the original music? It sounds so subtle, so
>trivial,
Well I sure have! I have a sort of project related to this coming up --OOPS!
No further details.. ;D
>but this is one of the things TD has lost over the years.
I don't think so. Yes, the hummability factor has sunken since the 80s, but
the best melodies still are great.
>We are only given one choice, the remixed version which pays no
>respects to the compositional involvement of the original artists.
>
>-Morgan
No. We're also give the opportunity to spread the original versions & much
more on TT and other projects... now that'd be unfair if TDI also would try
to stop the circulation of all the fantapes.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>Yesssss!!!! So now we have one excellent recording of every tour from
>1980-1982.
>
>1980.01.31 Palast der Republik (Tangerine Tree 17)
>1980.10.13 Brussels (replaces 'Nostragram')
>1981.02.02 Paris Bataclan (Tangerine Tree 14)
>1981.10.25 Newcastle (Tangerine Tree 10)
>1982.03.01 Melbourne, Australia (Strange Attractions)
>1982.10.31 Croydon Fairfield Hall (Tangerine Tree 12)
>1982.11.15 Berlin ICC (Classic Tree/KA repl. Logotypes)
Some nitpicking follows:
If the 1980.01.31 show counts as a 'tour', why don't the one-show 81
'tours'? Looking at the tracklists at Zebbyworld they appear equally
interesting to TT volumes 10 and 14...
And, that's in fact 2 shows from the 82 Europe tour.
John Vertical
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:35
pm
Subject: tangerine waking dream
alright looks like we still can't control our dreams--so controlling TD is
pretty much out of the question--oh sure you can have the occasional waking
dream, but these are scant. So bring on the new TD releases--I argue that
the plethora of new releases has diminished considerably anyway. What's
been released besides Inferno of late? (rerecordings don't count).
--T
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Travel Symbolism
>What, I think, everyone has missed the point is that the music of TD is (to
>use an analogy again) a journey which started at 'Electronic Meditation'
>and is still going with plenty of fuel supplies. The difference is that
>they're not using the motorway to their final destination (Every album
>sounding like 'Phaedra and Rubycon') but are visiting some interesting
>cities (Cyclone, Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty etc), some little villages
>(Stratosfear, Optical Race), some beautiful scenary (Hyperborea, White
>Eagle, Oasis), stop on the way for the occasional rest (Canyon Dreams,
>Seven Letters of Tibet), visit a few galleries (Inferno, Transiberia) and
>so on.
>
>If they just took the motorway, the journey would have finished many years
>ago.
>
>I for one want them to continue the journey and am looking forward to
>receiving the Melrose set after everybody's positive comments (apart from,
>of course, that track problem which EF says is ok but some of us don't want
>to believe).
>
>If every TD album were destinations on a long journey that will end when
>the creativity fuel runs out, what would they be?
>
>Regards
>Roger Hartopp
Indeed, Edgar has described TD's music as 'travel music' (lifted the Le Parc
rerelease sleeve notes).
So far they have upgraded to a new car (lineup) before the old has run out
of gas... and only the FFB car has been refueled (Baumann's trips).
At the moment I see the Froese/Froese vehicle starting to exhaust... I hope
there's a gas station or a automobile store coming up within the next 90
miles (albums)?
John Vertical
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ruling the waves file format?
me toooooooooo
dale
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To: ;
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:02 AM
Subject: [tadream] ruling the waves file format?
> Man, I hope TD puts up the' ruling the wave's file up in a few different
> formats--or in SHN at least!
>
> --T
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue?
>John Vertical said:
>I don't think so. Yes, the hummability factor has sunken since the 80s, but
>the best melodies still are great.
My point is not that the 80's themes are more hummable than the 90's
themes. My point is that the late 80's and 90's themes have little
breathing room either in compositional length/development or in the melodies.
>We are only given one choice, the remixed version which pays no
> >respects to the compositional involvement of the original artists.
> >-Morgan
>
>No. We're also give the opportunity to spread the original versions & much
>more on TT and other projects... now that'd be unfair if TDI also would try
>to stop the circulation of all the fantapes.
I am not talking about fantapes. I am talking about TD's releases.
Edgar gets all smug and thinks he's doing the fans a favor by releasing
things like iBox and Sohoman and Soundmill and that his 'debt' to the fans
of releasing concerts is satisfied by such releases. I'm certainly not
satisfied.
Tangents, Dream Roots, and the Melrose box are fine and dandy because we
can go to the store and buy those same albums in their original forms. But
if we want to get official recordings of concerts, our only choice is the
remixed stuff Edgar is putting out.
Also, less than 50% of the 1975-1977 concerts were taped. There's a LOT we
are missing. I for one would like to hear one of the TD-Klaus Schulze
concerts from 1973 but no fan has come forward with a tape yet.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:12
pm
Subject: Re: tangerine waking dream
>tei waz said:
>alright looks like we still can't control our dreams--so controlling TD is
>pretty much out of the question--oh sure you can have the occasional waking
>dream, but these are scant.
Actually, if you want to picky, there are a lot of people who are into
http://www.lucidity.com/
(Lucid Dreaming).
-Morgan
From:
'michael_berling '
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze
Hi Thomas et al,
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
> Thanks for reminding me that excellent web site.
Thanks, too -- and thanks, John, for the 'bible' ;-)
> It helped me complete my transcription.
> However, I still stand on my initial guesses in some cases.
Otherwise, I've adopted the transcription I've found on the site.
> Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being
austrian (just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always
pronounce words exactly the right way.
> I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange
somehow.
> Does the person who did the transcription have english for native
language? If so, I don't have anything more to say.
> If not, I decided to post my own version.
No, english is not my native language, and I've made the
transcription years ago, so I'm quite sure that I've made several
mistakes.
Listening to Dreamtime currently, I'm sure that Thomas' transcription
is much better than mine, but still I don't see much sense in some of
the verses (but a song about Dreamtime might not be easy to
understand, anyway). Is there any native english (or australian ;-))
speaking list member who can shed light on this?
I'm just completing the next update of VitN to be uploaded next
weekend, and I'd like to add a correct transcription. If there's no
further correction, I'd like to use your transcription, if you agree,
Thomas?
Best regards
Michael
> Dreamtime
>
>
> Echoes from the past
> Follow me
> Echoes from the past
> Shadow my dreams
> (there's a ghost inside of me)
> Shadow my dreams
>
>
> There's a spirit calling me
> Overpowering
> (there's a ghost inside of me)
> If it wasn't for you I'd leave
> (there's a voice inside of me)
> To dreamtime
>
> All I('d?) be
> (Oh/All it's a part of me)
> All of me
> (All I dream)
>
> Oh I think it's going to take me a while
> It's going to take me a while
> I think it's going to take me a while
> Before I come back to...
>
> Dreamtime
> (There's a tale inside of me)
> The magic's in the air
> In the air I breathe
> (There's a tale inside of me)
> Dreamtime
>
> All I see
> (Oh/All that's a part of me)
> All I would be
>
> Oh I think it's going to take me a while
> It's going to take me a while
> I think it's going to take me a while
> Before I come back to...
>
> Dreamtime...
> Think it's gonna take me a while...
> Dreamtime...
> ...
>
> All I see
> (Oh/All it's a part of me)
> All of me
> (All I dream)
>
> Oh I think it's going to take me a while
> It's going to take me a while
> I think it's going to take me a while
> Before I come back to dreamtime
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:44
pm
Subject: ot lucid dreaming
>Actually, if you want to picky, there are a lot of people who are
into
http://www.lucidity.com/
(Lucid Dreaming).
thanks for the URL--I remember several lectures on this from an Altered
States of Consciousness class I took from Dr. Charles Tart back in the
early '80s. just did a google and lo and behold he's got a website now.
Ok, he may have had it for some time. [shrugs]
http://www.paradigm-sys.com/cttart/
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:49
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 3
It just dawned on me that Tangerine Tree 3 is 10 volumes (not 8) and 17
discs. Wow.
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3
yea, hence why I am having DVD thoughts..
;-)
a major effort
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To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3
> It just dawned on me that Tangerine Tree 3 is 10 volumes (not 8) and 17
> discs. Wow.
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:40
am
Subject: One Last Word on the Headphones Info Request
Tom (and others):
<< It's insane, loud noises like this can actually
make you sick due to it disturbing and damaging
your inner ear but yet they pay people hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year to do it again and gain. I
say discontact the things and don't say anything to
anyone about it.>>
I've been using the Bose headphones for a couple of
days, and they effectively block the sound, even on LO
setting, which is wonderful. I'd much rather have
clear music than loud music, and the headphones have
allowed me to pick up on new subtleties in the music.
They cost a bundle ($300), but they work as
advertised, and they're extremely comfortable for all
days use.
Thanks again to you and everyone else for the advice.
Deb H-J
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:11
am
Subject: Michael Hoenig sighting
I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but I'm gonna mention it anyway
because I thought it was cool. I finished playing the PC role-playing game
Baldur's Gate today, and I saw in the credits that Michael Hoenig did the
music. It's not electronic at all, more orchestral, with a bit of medieval
thrown in.
Scott
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
>What do you think about this ?
>You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
yeah why not?
it's always good to hear what the people are doing out there.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Ruling the Waves'
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:14:23 -0000 'fozziebear'
writes:
>[Corporal Cripp referred to Forbidden Planet.
>Wasn't the film modelled on a Shakespear play?
THE TEMPEST.
> David
Steven Feldman
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting
There is a soundtrack release of this music from a Polish collectors series.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Scott'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:11 PM
Subject: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting
> I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but I'm gonna mention it
anyway
> because I thought it was cool. I finished playing the PC role-playing game
> Baldur's Gate today, and I saw in the credits that Michael Hoenig did the
> music. It's not electronic at all, more orchestral, with a bit of medieval
> thrown in.
>
> Scott
>
>
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:08
am
Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Audio Samples online !!!
Hi everyone
I uploaded short extracts (about 30s) from the Dreamwatchers' Tales Episode
III on the Yahoogroups files section.
So if you want to discover the music before receiving the whole 2CDR set so
check the DWT folder on the files section.
You will also discover the artwork for the front cover.
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:27
am
Subject: Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones
>From: Deb H-J
>
>I've been using the Bose headphones for a couple of
>days, and they effectively block the sound, even on LO
>setting, which is wonderful. I'd much rather have
>clear music than loud music, and the headphones have
>allowed me to pick up on new subtleties in the music.
I have to concur with the warnings and cautions being mentioned on the list
about noise cancelling headphones especially the Bose.
My dad has a pair and I borrowed them for some TD listening. It indeed
improved the fidelity and cleared out all sounds of the computer.
After 6-7 hours of listening, I noticed that my ears were really starting
to hurt so I removed the headphones. After a few hours of not using the
headphones at all and not listening to any music, my ears hurt so bad I was
surprised they weren't bleeding. In order to get any relief (The slightest
sound was painful), I stuffed cotton balls in both ears and went to sleep.
After a few days of walking around with cotton balls stuffed in one ear or
the other (so I could continue to work/function), the pain subsided.
Keep in mind this was about 5 days before this year's Okefenokee!! The
idea of flying to see musicians and fans and being unable to tolerate
music--loud or otherwise--was horrifying. Thankfully the problems cleared
up shortly before I went.
I know that noise cancellation generates an inverse wave that closely
matches the ambient sounds in the room. The question is, does it truly
cancel the noise, or does it actually increase the volume of the noise
hitting your ear to double, but you just can't hear it?
-Morgan
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 9:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
> >Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
> >copy, 2 cdr
>
> Woo hoo! Bring on the 1976 shows. :)
> The sound quality on this should be exceptional.
As you may know the master tape is under lock and key and I am not allowed to
use it for TT (although I had the privilege to hear it, thanks to good ol' Al
:-). The master tape copy does not quite match the quality of the original,
but still I think it has turned out pretty well :-)
> As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long
> sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2
> months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for
> distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world.
about two weeks ago I sent a small package (containing the fourteen discs
from TT2) to someone in New York via surface mail, and it took just 6 days.
Then a couple of days later I sent a bigger package to someone in Oklahamo
and it took 12 days. I was told that nowadays parcels sent from Germany to
the States via surface mail don't get transported by ship anymore, they get
carried in planes and all end up in some of the big cities on the East coast
(like NYC or Boston) From there all the surface mail get transported by
trains, and airmail in planes...I don't know if this is true, but at least
this is what my Post Office told me. But what I know is that it was much
cheaper for me to send it as surface mail, for the TT2 discs I only had to
pay US$5 for postage costs instead of $12!
regards
Heiko
From:
jerome
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
>What do you think about this ?
>You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
yes, this sounds good to me... =)
jerome
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Last word on the forum issue?
On Thursday 12 December 2002 3:49 pm, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> I love it when people say that for TD to continue to do improvised
> music with analogue sounds would be staying in the past. It's so
> short-sighted and is the latest party line from the Edgar
> apologists.
While I agree with your sentiment, I think the existence of 'Edgar
Apologists' is a bit of a myth. What does exist is a group of people
who believe - as Roger expressed much more eloquently in his recent
post, and as I keep repeating until I'm blue in the face - that TD's
composition and performance of music is *not* a service industry.
I'm aware of the arguments against this stance, and I agree with many
of them. Shakespeare produced some works of the greatest artistic
merit under the direct instruction of his patrons, Michelangelo's
legacy consists mainly of commissioned work, and so on and so forth.
But the crucial difference is that TD's agenda is - whether this is
presumptuous or not - to pursue their art for its own sake, to be
their own boss when it comes to their musical experiments and
direction.
I would personally love to see more analogue sounds created on the
spot, and more live improvisation on stage. I see no reason why that,
in itself, would be staying in the past. But what would be staying in
the past would be to keep doing Ricochet ad infinitum just because a
mailing list of TD collectors think it would be a good idea.
Buying their CDs doesn't give us the right to dictate what they do for
their next album. And, to be honest, I think the whole thing would
turn rather stale if it did.
> Improvised live music is not folly. Actually it is an indication of
> bravery and respect for the audience. I've said and still feel that
> current TD output is overcomposed and is put together in a
> cut-and-paste fashion.
I would tend to agree with the 'overcomposed' aspect with regard to
some, but not all, of the recent output. But it all fits in with
Edgar's intention to shift TD's focus from live improvisation to the
creation of the 'perfect composition'. Personally, I don't think the
'perfect composition' will be achieved by anyone alive, let alone TD,
but it's his prerogative to try. And I actually think that some of
the recent experiments, while still not improvised, succeed in making
the composed sound a bit less overbearing - the Seven Letters is an
example I'd mention, but I know that you don't like it yourself.
> sequence.' He also made some comments implying that the sequencer
> did not change very much. I see these comments as a slap in the
> face to Chris Franke. The fact is, I have yet to hear someone
> change a sequence so dramatically within the span of a few minutes
> to accommodate a changing melody and rhythm line.
Yes, there seems to be a lot of bitterness and bad blood there that
should finally be resolved. But again, it's between Edgar and Chris,
and in no way up to us.
> I think part of my respect for the older TD is that the music was
> daring. The music had composing challenges. And most of all, it was
> not overcomposed. There was breathing space around the music. Every
> theme was given due course to develop before going on to the next
> sequence. Compare 20 minutes of Logos to the 5 minute Optical Race
> title track. Optical Race covers more musical ground (very poorly I
> might add) than Logos does in 20 minutes. And more importantly,
> there is no longer any breathing room for the ears.
There has been a natural progression of style over the 30-odd years
that TD have been around, and everyone has their favourites. Like
you, I like Logos and Poland; but compared to, say, Phaedra, *they*
seem over-composed. And Phaedra, in turn, sounds positively rigid in
comparison to Electronic Meditation. A lot of people like the Blue
and Melrose years, and I can see some merit in some of the late
Seattle/early Millennium category. It's just different from the older
stuff that I also love.
> Have you ever found yourself humming a theme from Logos, Le Parc,
> etc. and then when you play back the album, you realize you have
> added your own notes that were not present in the original music?
> It sounds so subtle, so trivial, but this is one of the things TD
> has lost over the years.
I agree that the older material had a lovely tendency to be somewhat
loose around the edges, whereas recent stuff, especially live, tends
to be full-on from beginning to end. Whether this is a loss of
ability to compose more freely or a conscious decision not to revisit
less pre-determined musical structures is not up to us to judge.
--
Dennis
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams - RELEASED !!!
I think it would be a good idea as hopefully next year I wont be so busy and
I'll have time to plug my keyboards in!
Matthew
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From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - Episode III - Pictures Beyond
Dreams - RELEASED !!!
>
> >I'm currently thinking about a vol 4...
> >What do you think about this ?
> >You want another Dreamwatchers' Tales ??!!
>
> yeah why not?
> it's always good to hear what the people are doing out there.
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@s...
>
>
>
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze
About the transcription, well, of course, use it if you want. After all, it's
precisely only a transcription.
The thing is I don't believe I'm such a good reference as far as english
language is concerned.
who knows, maybe we can ask the writers themselves to give us some explanations?
Thomas.
----Message réexpédié----
>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: 'michael_berling '
>Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:18:43 -0000
>Sujet: Dreamtime Lyrics -- was: [tadream] photos/purple haze
>
>Hi Thomas et al,
>
>--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>> Thanks for reminding me that excellent web site.
>
>Thanks, too -- and thanks, John, for the 'bible' ;-)
>
>> It helped me complete my transcription.
>> However, I still stand on my initial guesses in some cases.
>Otherwise, I've adopted the transcription I've found on the site.
>> Still, I remain confused for some parts. Jaynay Klimek being
>austrian (just guessing - correct me if needed), she may not always
>pronounce words exactly the right way.
>> I still think the 'All of me/All I dream...' parts to be strange
>somehow.
>> Does the person who did the transcription have english for native
>language? If so, I don't have anything more to say.
>> If not, I decided to post my own version.
>
>No, english is not my native language, and I've made the
>transcription years ago, so I'm quite sure that I've made several
>mistakes.
>
>Listening to Dreamtime currently, I'm sure that Thomas' transcription
>is much better than mine, but still I don't see much sense in some of
>the verses (but a song about Dreamtime might not be easy to
>understand, anyway). Is there any native english (or australian ;-))
>speaking list member who can shed light on this?
>
>I'm just completing the next update of VitN to be uploaded next
>weekend, and I'd like to add a correct transcription. If there's no
>further correction, I'd like to use your transcription, if you agree,
>Thomas?
>
>Best regards
>Michael
>
>
>> Dreamtime
>>
>>
>> Echoes from the past
>> Follow me
>> Echoes from the past
>> Shadow my dreams
>> (there's a ghost inside of me)
>> Shadow my dreams
>>
>>
>> There's a spirit calling me
>> Overpowering
>> (there's a ghost inside of me)
>> If it wasn't for you I'd leave
>> (there's a voice inside of me)
>> To dreamtime
>>
>> All I('d?) be
>> (Oh/All it's a part of me)
>> All of me
>> (All I dream)
>>
>> Oh I think it's going to take me a while
>> It's going to take me a while
>> I think it's going to take me a while
>> Before I come back to...
>>
>> Dreamtime
>> (There's a tale inside of me)
>> The magic's in the air
>> In the air I breathe
>> (There's a tale inside of me)
>> Dreamtime
>>
>> All I see
>> (Oh/All that's a part of me)
>> All I would be
>>
>> Oh I think it's going to take me a while
>> It's going to take me a while
>> I think it's going to take me a while
>> Before I come back to...
>>
>> Dreamtime...
>> Think it's gonna take me a while...
>> Dreamtime...
>> ...
>>
>> All I see
>> (Oh/All it's a part of me)
>> All of me
>> (All I dream)
>>
>> Oh I think it's going to take me a while
>> It's going to take me a while
>> I think it's going to take me a while
>> Before I come back to dreamtime
>>
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:32
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
We do this thru another group I'm in, although not near so much work goes
into it.
Someone will have a very large cd/cassette/vinyl collection by a single
artist, and they will rip the entire thing, send it to person number one,
they copy and pass it on, and so on...
Aside from the fact these are eing remastered, and it's actually branching
off, I don't see much difference in it then the distros.
Thanks for taking the time to type all that out, as it is a wonderful
description, tons of detail, in plain english, and easy to follow. That
should go up on the site!
Now I'm out of here before my brain shuts down the rest of the way..lol.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:29 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>From: 'Debra Wilson'
>Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:53 am
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
>
>Ok, what is this tree thing? Just a distro? or what? and where are you
>sending from that it doesn't take a month to three months if outside the
US?
The Tangerine Tree is a collection of the best possible audience and FM
radio tape recordings of Tangerine Dream concerts. In most cases, these
recordings are significantly better than the previous widely available tape.
It's not a distribution, it's a project, which takes much time and effort
by many people. The original audience tapes are being wrangled from the
diehard TD fans by Heiko H., then he turns them over to his 'remastering
slaves' who give the digital treatment to each of the tapes. Meanwhile
professional-quality artwork is prepared for each disc in the set.
This third chapter in the Tangerine Tree project brings the number of
Tangerine Tree volumes to 24. To see a listing of the other concerts
represented so far, look here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html
(hopefully Joe will integrate this info into his TDTREE website one day)
As for taking 2-3 months, although mail from Germany can take that long
sometimes :D, the fact is there are 1-2 months (February is less than 2
months from now) more work on this project before it is ready for
distribution in Europe, the USA, and the world.
The last 2 Trees were distributed to at least 400 people each, plus any
copies those directly involved made for their friends. Edgar Froese has
personally received copies of each Tree from Heiko H. and they have
actually been met with approval or at least tolerance. :)
To sign up for the Tangerine Tree, which stands for the (nearly) free
exchange of concert recordings, rather than trying to profit from TD's
music, send an e-mail to joe@t... with 'Tangerine Tree LEAF' in the
topic.
The general practice is to mail 2 blank CDs for every 1 CD you will be
getting from your 'branch'. You may be able to arrange with your branch to
get copies of all 24 volumes of the Tangerine Tree.
-Morgan
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:23
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI
Weird... I spent enough time there in the month before they took away the
forums and I never saw anything about downloads.. hmm... thanks!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:51 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI
>Here's my question- being new to this list- where is TDI? URL please?
>
>Debra Wilson
It's their official site. Here you go..
www.tangerinedream.org
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 3 - outlook
> > >Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 audience master tape
> > >copy, 2 cdr
> >
> > Woo hoo! Bring on the 1976 shows. :)
> > The sound quality on this should be exceptional.
>
>As you may know the master tape is under lock and key and I am not allowed
>to
>use it for TT (although I had the privilege to hear it, thanks to good ol'
>Al
>:-). The master tape copy does not quite match the quality of the original,
>but still I think it has turned out pretty well :-)
Heiko, could I ask what actually is the situation with these master tapes?
I've deducted from some snippets here and there that there are some
collector people who have lots of master tapes, but don't want to stand up
in public... so they now are just some mystic 'Sources'...
This of course is a strange question, since the ones it concerns won't speak
up, but: why? Why do the people with big concert collections stay infamous -
or do they?
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones
I see you found my pair of alien torture devices that I use to use before
they disappeared.
They are a big part of my sound torture tools. Please keep a close eye on
them.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:27 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones
>
> >From: Deb H-J
> >
> >I've been using the Bose headphones for a couple of
> >days, and they effectively block the sound, even on LO
> >setting, which is wonderful. I'd much rather have
> >clear music than loud music, and the headphones have
> >allowed me to pick up on new subtleties in the music.
>
> I have to concur with the warnings and cautions being mentioned on the
list
> about noise cancelling headphones especially the Bose.
>
> My dad has a pair and I borrowed them for some TD listening. It indeed
> improved the fidelity and cleared out all sounds of the computer.
>
> After 6-7 hours of listening, I noticed that my ears were really starting
> to hurt so I removed the headphones. After a few hours of not using the
> headphones at all and not listening to any music, my ears hurt so bad I
was
> surprised they weren't bleeding. In order to get any relief (The slightest
> sound was painful), I stuffed cotton balls in both ears and went to sleep.
> After a few days of walking around with cotton balls stuffed in one ear or
> the other (so I could continue to work/function), the pain subsided.
>
> Keep in mind this was about 5 days before this year's Okefenokee!! The
> idea of flying to see musicians and fans and being unable to tolerate
> music--loud or otherwise--was horrifying. Thankfully the problems cleared
> up shortly before I went.
>
> I know that noise cancellation generates an inverse wave that closely
> matches the ambient sounds in the room. The question is, does it truly
> cancel the noise, or does it actually increase the volume of the noise
> hitting your ear to double, but you just can't hear it?
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:25
pm
Subject: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD.
Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all synth line up,i
would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join the fold,Hugely
under-estimated musician.What do you think guys(n)gals.
Best regards
Mr James Saville.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Noise Cancelling Headphones
>I know that noise cancellation generates an inverse wave that closely
>matches the ambient sounds in the room. The question is, does it truly
>cancel the noise, or does it actually increase the volume of the noise
>hitting your ear to double, but you just can't hear it?
>
>-Morgan
If the noise cancellation really creates an inverse wave, and they cancel
each other, then the volume must be zero.
The noise's energy will of course still be there, but transformed into heat
it's so minute amount that you'd have to yell for weeks until you could heat
up a cup of coffee with the noise's energy.
Of course, infra- or ultranoise can damage your ears without you noticing...
John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting
Is this a different version than the collector's edition that was released last
year in the US? What about for Baulder's Gate II? I understand that MH wrote
the soundtrack for the first installment, but not the second.
- jim
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> There is a soundtrack release of this music from a Polish collectors series.
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Scott'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:11 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Michael Hoenig sighting
>
>
> > I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but I'm gonna mention it
> anyway
> > because I thought it was cool. I finished playing the PC role-playing game
> > Baldur's Gate today, and I saw in the credits that Michael Hoenig did the
> > music. It's not electronic at all, more orchestral, with a bit of medieval
> > thrown in.
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ideal third band member for the Modern TD.
For all UK readers of a certain age,
Dear Jim (you sad man),
Please could you fix it for me to have a cd (rattle
rattle, jewellery jewellery) that would show how good
this Cosmic Baby is as I have heard the name but not
the music?
*puffs cigar, runs marathon, breaks wind* Where's Dave
Lee Travis when you need him?
--- 'Colin Jouxson '
wrote: > Would be great to
see TD go back to the 3 person all
> synth line up,i
> would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join
> the fold,Hugely
> under-estimated musician.What do you think
> guys(n)gals.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mr James Saville.
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
I have noticed a handful of the female of the species
on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was
some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew!
Anyway, my wife's biggest criticism of the TD that she
has heard is that it is too meandering. She generally
prefers songs that have a fairly well defined
begnning, middle and end (her own words). For example,
she likes Underwater Sunlight but hates Encore (you
get the idea).
I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this
group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
is a turn off and why?
Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly
attract men?
Thanks,
jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands.
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Re: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt
wrote:
> For all UK readers of a certain age,
>
> Dear Jim (you sad man),
> Please could you fix it for me to have a cd (rattle
> rattle, jewellery jewellery) that would show how good
> this Cosmic Baby is as I have heard the name but not
> the music?
> *puffs cigar, runs marathon, breaks wind* Where's Dave
> Lee Travis when you need him?
>
> --- 'Colin Jouxson '
> wrote: > Would be great to
> see TD go back to the 3 person all
> > synth line up,i
> > would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join
> > the fold,Hugely
> > under-estimated musician.What do you think
> > guys(n)gals.
He He He i likes that Jonathan,nice bit of humour LOL,but Cosmic Baby
really is a quality Musician,just thought i would ask fellow TD fans
whom they think would be a good addition to the band-although im
quite certain this will never happen.(who knows)
Uh er Uh ER uh er Guys(n)Gals. DLT is Pants.PEELY is King.
Best regards
Colin
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Mr James Saville.
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Improvisation
In reply to John:
> >ending sure was spectacular!).
____________________
>The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to see
>this 'spectacular ending'?
_________________
Hm, let's see, how long have I been on this list. At least two years, maybe
a bit more. You would want to go back maybe six months further, maybe about
1999? I'll give you a hint: it was more information than anybody
particularly wanted to know about the subject.
_____________________
I
> >especially noticed this on Me-Rad during the piano part which begins
>with,
> >I
> >presume, Baumann? (I don't know) just absolutely getting ticked off with
> >the
> >piano, playing some crashing trills, stopping, starting. In the
>background
> >you hear someone else, my guess is Froese, trying to leap to the rescue
> >with
> >a high pitched off tone that just doesn't blend at all.
________________
>So that would leave Chris on the piano... not very probable.
_________________
Um, no, look up ^ I said I thought Baumann was on the piano. That leaves
Chris on whatever he normally played, like the sequencer maybe?
By the way, I was hoping and glad to see that Marcel responded to this
thread. I wonder what the other improvisational artists on this list think
as well. How about it? As you progress with your musical knowledge, do you
find it more or less fun to do improvisation versus more structured music?
Where do you draw the line between noodling and art? My thoughts: noodling
leads to the possibility of a new art form, but structure creates the
perfection of that art form, and imitation of that art form leads to
stagnation unless the artist uses that structure to perfection (kind of like
haiku).
All IMO of course.
NP: Seattle '77; noodling at its best
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:14
am
Subject: RE: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Hmm.. First off, I'm 21, and was female when I last went to the bathroom.
I got into TD when watching Legend for the umpteenth time, and suddenly
realized how beautiful the music was. I downloaded the soundtrack.
Then I nearly forgot about them until a friend sent me about 115 cds full of
various albums - his 'uglies' from previous trades.
As I was going tru the discs, sorting out what was worth keeping and what
wasn't, I found several TD albums in there, mostly bootlegs. Once again I
was captivated.
For me the music is about the feeling it gives you, not about structure, or
a certain style or genre. If it makes you feel good, bad, excited, happy, or
whatever you need to fit the mood, then it's good music.
As for geek/homoerotic... um, maybe so..lol.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...]
I have noticed a handful of the female of the species
on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was
some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew!
Anyway, my wife's biggest criticism of the TD that she
has heard is that it is too meandering. She generally
prefers songs that have a fairly well defined
begnning, middle and end (her own words). For example,
she likes Underwater Sunlight but hates Encore (you
get the idea).
I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this
group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
is a turn off and why?
Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly
attract men?
Thanks,
jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'spectacular ending'
> > >ending sure was spectacular!).
>____________________
> >The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to
>see
> >this 'spectacular ending'?
>_________________
>Hm, let's see, how long have I been on this list. At least two years, maybe
>a bit more. You would want to go back maybe six months further, maybe about
>1999? I'll give you a hint: it was more information than anybody
>particularly wanted to know about the subject.
I'm now browsing an era at eGroups and onelist (simultaneously?)...
just passing Dreamwatchers' Tales 1...
Now I'm suddendly at the Yahoo era...
--
Ok, it's somewhere around messages #25900-25700.
--
Morgan & co. are rambling on about live vs. fake-live? Is this it?
Or; I also found hints of the .edu list, could it be actually this one?
John Vertical
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:38
pm
Subject: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
Hey gang,
Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
Wade
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'spectacular ending'
Once again, a data base of those achieves would be very handy...
You can find that mentioned in the achieves before too, many times
before....
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'spectacular ending'
> > > >ending sure was spectacular!).
> >____________________
> > >The arcives still are there; which year should I rewind to if I want to
> >see
> > >this 'spectacular ending'?
> >_________________
> >Hm, let's see, how long have I been on this list. At least two years,
maybe
> >a bit more. You would want to go back maybe six months further, maybe
about
> >1999? I'll give you a hint: it was more information than anybody
> >particularly wanted to know about the subject.
>
>
> I'm now browsing an era at eGroups and onelist (simultaneously?)...
> just passing Dreamwatchers' Tales 1...
>
> Now I'm suddendly at the Yahoo era...
>
> --
> Ok, it's somewhere around messages #25900-25700.
> --
>
> Morgan & co. are rambling on about live vs. fake-live? Is this it?
>
> Or; I also found hints of the .edu list, could it be actually this one?
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek
movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait
for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Wade Gordon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> Hey gang,
>
> Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
>
>
> Wade
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
Going to see it today Jan. They have a web site of course. My thoughts most
likely will be biased anyway since I been watching Star Trek since day one.
I will try to be a bit more object when I post. Jerry does have some very
good pieces in the past.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
Trek
> movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait
> for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> > Hey gang,
> >
> > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> >
> >
> > Wade
> >
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From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
This whole 'why don't more women like TD' question comes up from time
to time. For one of its prior appearances, back in 1999, I took a
shot at answering it. I've gone back to read it, and I stand by
pretty much everything I said. I'm going to repost it, with a few
re-wordings (a 'Tangentized' version, if you will)
Ultimately, taking in any work of art boils down to a dialogue between
creator and experiencer. The encounter can remind you that someone
else sees the world the same way you do; has experienced the same
emotions as you. This is a very human desire. But for such a
connection to be made, the viewer must understand what it is that the
artist is saying.
Art can communicate in many ways, however. Your ultimate impression
of it can have as much to do with personal associations you make in
your mind as you experience it, as it does with the works' actual
content. Okay, maybe I'm being too obscure. Let me give you a
personal example. When I hear Garth Brooks, I think of folks wearing
cowboy hats, shouting 'yee haw', and line dancing. That might not be
an accurate picture, but it prevents me from enjoying whatever
musicianship Mr. Brooks may have to offer, because those are negative
associations for me. Likewise, when I hear Motley Crue I see 'mullet'
haircuts and too much eye makeup. I'm limiting my examples to the
world of music, because that's where this little treatise is heading,
but the same can be said for other art forms as well. I dislike
ballet because I think of high society types in tuxedos showing us
that they deserve their wealth because they're 'cultured'.
I don't think women's general lack of acceptance for electronic music
has to do with 'brain wiring'. How, then, to explain why Yanni, John
Tesh and Vangelis have found cross-gender success? The answer, I
think, is that Yanni and musicians of his ilk have cloaked themselves
in associations with romance. They compose soundtracks for your own
personal fantasies, while festooning their keyboards with candles and
bowls of potpourri. And while this may be a terribly sexist thing to
say, I think that's something that women are conditioned from an early
age to respond to; the Prince Charming figure. And TD? They're just a
couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a
few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are
definitely in the minority (to be fair, I think a lot of men dismiss
TD for the same reason...they just aren't cool).
I find it illuminating to look at the TD music that women I know *do*
like. First of all, there's 'Love on a Real Train', from Risky
Business. I've had a couple of requests to put this on mix tapes for
female friends. I suspect the reason for this is that the music *has*
a positive association: Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay having sex on
a subway, and sexual fantasy in general. Then there's the Legend
Soundtrack; I've known 2 or 3 women who liked it. Might we presume
that's because it provided the soundtrack for a story about undying
love, being carried away on horseback, fairytales? Then there's the
Dream Mixes...which is sort of danceable, and is evocative of clubs,
which women are just as home in as men are.
This phenomenon isn't limited to TD. In the history of pop music in
the latter half of the 20th century, pretty much every piece of
instrumental music that became a hit did so because it had been used
on a soundtrack. People were able to associate it with something
positive in their minds.
Why do men like TD so much, then? Obsession with technology, perhaps?
Because men are unafraid to embrace their inner geek?
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Sean
Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a
keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they
are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into
the system and I bet we have a star!
It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to
please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some
world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands).
Dale
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Of course, any monkey can paint too if you give some paint. Depends on ones
view of what art is.
I like TD for the music. Investigating how the way it is done pleases my
techno mind. But I am a guy. TD fills that need. Well mostly. So I listen to
TD. They are not the only type of Music I listen too or groups either. While
I might spend more time working with TD material then most, there still is
the fact that if one wants to make some money in this, they have to please a
wide audience. Art for Art sake is great but one has to eat and enjoy other
things materialist to balance.
I am not surprise at the ratio of sexes. Same is true of any technology.
Just another reflection.
Dale
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From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> Sean
> Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a
> keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever
they
> are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into
> the system and I bet we have a star!
> It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to
> please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some
> world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands).
>
> Dale
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
Hi Jan,
I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't
have the Euro, etc...
So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are
there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: PERGAMON
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
Trek
> movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait
> for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> > Hey gang,
> >
> > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> >
> >
> > Wade
> >
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:32
pm
Subject: ladies/girls and the uncertain
>Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and *the uncertain*
In the words of Norm Crosby, 'I resemble that!' Heh. ;)
(All kidding aside, though, I am certain that I am androgyne --
which a type of person who is really neither man nor woman.)
Stephe Feldman, androgyne
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
[note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O]
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
=O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't
think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due
to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is no
record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the
theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess
Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn
has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark
is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD also
thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a thing
or two from Jarre.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> Hi Jan,
> I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
> I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still
don't
> have the Euro, etc...
> So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are
> there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
> Vic
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PERGAMON
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
> Trek
> > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to
wait
> > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Wade Gordon'
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> >
> >
> > > Hey gang,
> > >
> > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Wade
> > >
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
Hi Jan - great response - thank you.
I know Peter Ravn - great guy! Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: PERGAMON
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> =O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't
> think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due
> to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is
no
> record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the
> theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess
>
> Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn
> has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark
> is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD
also
> thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a
thing
> or two from Jarre.
>
> Jan
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:34
pm
Subject: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD.
Cosmic Babies...Very Cosmic ;)
Actually, Klaus Schulze has said some nice things about Cosmic Baby in the
past. Of course, that was several years ago when Stellar Supreme was
released.
Cordially,
Dave Kaufman
> Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all synth line up,i
> would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join the fold,Hugely
> under-estimated musician.What do you think guys(n)gals.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mr James Saville.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:07
am
Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
<< I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in
this
group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
is a turn off and why? >>
You do have too much time on your hands! I have been
listening to TD off and on through the past few
decades, but didn't really 'fix' on them until the
past few years, when I started collecting them. I was
primarily a modern classical (Glass, Nyman, Reich,
etc.) and Celtic/World music collector until then. Now
I have this seemingly endless craving for electronic
music, including TD.
I prefer the Schmoelling era, and my favorite albums
are Poland, Logos, Hyperborea, and Tangram, followed
by the Melrose era albums ('Electric Lion' and
'Sungate' are two of my alltime favorite TD tracks). I
also like many of the movie soundtracks, particularly
The Keep and Risky Business.
What TD music do I like the least? Some of the current
stuff is a bit weak, and I cannot STAND anything with
a sax in it (this is due to a strong aversion to Kenny
G music). Of the contemporary work, I like 'Seven
Letters From Tibet' quite a bit.
I don't think its particularly a gender thing...its
just that em/TD music fans are rare (both male and
female).
Hasta pasta,
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
Alysoun
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Hi:
><< I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in
>this
>group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
>and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
>is a turn off and why? >>
Any non-pop music in general will never appeal to the broad spectrum of people.
You cannot dance to TD (thankfully)
Thinking introspective music is what appeals to me.
But most women are not intrigued by non-image performers.
There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the
musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully.
As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud.
Allison
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From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
This whole 'why don't more women like TD' question comes up from time
to time. For one of its prior appearances, back in 1999, I took a
shot at answering it. I've gone back to read it, and I stand by
pretty much everything I said. I'm going to repost it, with a few
re-wordings (a 'Tangentized' version, if you will)
Ultimately, taking in any work of art boils down to a dialogue between
creator and experiencer. The encounter can remind you that someone
else sees the world the same way you do; has experienced the same
emotions as you. This is a very human desire. But for such a
connection to be made, the viewer must understand what it is that the
artist is saying.
Art can communicate in many ways, however. Your ultimate impression
of it can have as much to do with personal associations you make in
your mind as you experience it, as it does with the works' actual
content. Okay, maybe I'm being too obscure. Let me give you a
personal example. When I hear Garth Brooks, I think of folks wearing
cowboy hats, shouting 'yee haw', and line dancing. That might not be
an accurate picture, but it prevents me from enjoying whatever
musicianship Mr. Brooks may have to offer, because those are negative
associations for me. Likewise, when I hear Motley Crue I see 'mullet'
haircuts and too much eye makeup. I'm limiting my examples to the
world of music, because that's where this little treatise is heading,
but the same can be said for other art forms as well. I dislike
ballet because I think of high society types in tuxedos showing us
that they deserve their wealth because they're 'cultured'.
I don't think women's general lack of acceptance for electronic music
has to do with 'brain wiring'. How, then, to explain why Yanni, John
Tesh and Vangelis have found cross-gender success? The answer, I
think, is that Yanni and musicians of his ilk have cloaked themselves
in associations with romance. They compose soundtracks for your own
personal fantasies, while festooning their keyboards with candles and
bowls of potpourri. And while this may be a terribly sexist thing to
say, I think that's something that women are conditioned from an early
age to respond to; the Prince Charming figure. And TD? They're just a
couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a
few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are
definitely in the minority (to be fair, I think a lot of men dismiss
TD for the same reason...they just aren't cool).
I find it illuminating to look at the TD music that women I know *do*
like. First of all, there's 'Love on a Real Train', from Risky
Business. I've had a couple of requests to put this on mix tapes for
female friends. I suspect the reason for this is that the music *has*
a positive association: Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay having sex on
a subway, and sexual fantasy in general. Then there's the Legend
Soundtrack; I've known 2 or 3 women who liked it. Might we presume
that's because it provided the soundtrack for a story about undying
love, being carried away on horseback, fairytales? Then there's the
Dream Mixes...which is sort of danceable, and is evocative of clubs,
which women are just as home in as men are.
This phenomenon isn't limited to TD. In the history of pop music in
the latter half of the 20th century, pretty much every piece of
instrumental music that became a hit did so because it had been used
on a soundtrack. People were able to associate it with something
positive in their minds.
Why do men like TD so much, then? Obsession with technology, perhaps?
Because men are unafraid to embrace their inner geek?
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Sean
Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a
keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever they
are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into
the system and I bet we have a star!
It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to
please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some
world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands).
Dale
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Of course, any monkey can paint too if you give some paint. Depends on ones
view of what art is.
I like TD for the music. Investigating how the way it is done pleases my
techno mind. But I am a guy. TD fills that need. Well mostly. So I listen to
TD. They are not the only type of Music I listen too or groups either. While
I might spend more time working with TD material then most, there still is
the fact that if one wants to make some money in this, they have to please a
wide audience. Art for Art sake is great but one has to eat and enjoy other
things materialist to balance.
I am not surprise at the ratio of sexes. Same is true of any technology.
Just another reflection.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> Sean
> Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit behind a
> keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what ever
they
> are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave sound) into
> the system and I bet we have a star!
> It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish to
> please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off some
> world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl bands).
>
> Dale
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
Hi Jan,
I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't
have the Euro, etc...
So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are
there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: PERGAMON
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
Trek
> movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait
> for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> > Hey gang,
> >
> > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> >
> >
> > Wade
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> > http://mailplus.yahoo.com
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:32
pm
Subject: ladies/girls and the uncertain
>Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and *the uncertain*
In the words of Norm Crosby, 'I resemble that!' Heh. ;)
(All kidding aside, though, I am certain that I am androgyne --
which a type of person who is really neither man nor woman.)
Stephe Feldman, androgyne
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
[note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O]
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
=O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't
think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due
to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is no
record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the
theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess
Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn
has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark
is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD also
thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a thing
or two from Jarre.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> Hi Jan,
> I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
> I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still
don't
> have the Euro, etc...
> So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are
> there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
> Vic
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PERGAMON
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
> Trek
> > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to
wait
> > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Wade Gordon'
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> >
> >
> > > Hey gang,
> > >
> > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Wade
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
Hi Jan - great response - thank you.
I know Peter Ravn - great guy! Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: PERGAMON
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> =O) No they are not controlled, but the movie theaters apparently don't
> think the new Star Trek movie is going to sell a lot of tickets, maybe due
> to Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Up until August next year there is
no
> record of Star Trek Nemesis scheduled for playing in the
> theaters............why, I do not know..............I can only guess
>
> Don't think there is any TD-releases pressed in Denmark. Maybe Peter Ravn
> has some info on that?????? Is he still around here..... :-) ......Denmark
> is neighbour to Germany and TD have never played here.........guess TD
also
> thinks they can not sell enough tickets here. Maybe they could learn a
thing
> or two from Jarre.
>
> Jan
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:34
pm
Subject: Ideal third band member for the Modern TD.
Cosmic Babies...Very Cosmic ;)
Actually, Klaus Schulze has said some nice things about Cosmic Baby in the
past. Of course, that was several years ago when Stellar Supreme was
released.
Cordially,
Dave Kaufman
> Would be great to see TD go back to the 3 person all synth line up,i
> would love to see Berlins Finest (Cosmic Baby) join the fold,Hugely
> under-estimated musician.What do you think guys(n)gals.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mr James Saville.
>
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:07
am
Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
<< I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in
this
group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
is a turn off and why? >>
You do have too much time on your hands! I have been
listening to TD off and on through the past few
decades, but didn't really 'fix' on them until the
past few years, when I started collecting them. I was
primarily a modern classical (Glass, Nyman, Reich,
etc.) and Celtic/World music collector until then. Now
I have this seemingly endless craving for electronic
music, including TD.
I prefer the Schmoelling era, and my favorite albums
are Poland, Logos, Hyperborea, and Tangram, followed
by the Melrose era albums ('Electric Lion' and
'Sungate' are two of my alltime favorite TD tracks). I
also like many of the movie soundtracks, particularly
The Keep and Risky Business.
What TD music do I like the least? Some of the current
stuff is a bit weak, and I cannot STAND anything with
a sax in it (this is due to a strong aversion to Kenny
G music). Of the contemporary work, I like 'Seven
Letters From Tibet' quite a bit.
I don't think its particularly a gender thing...its
just that em/TD music fans are rare (both male and
female).
Hasta pasta,
Deb H-J
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From:
Alysoun
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Hi:
><< I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in
>this
>group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
>and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
>is a turn off and why? >>
Any non-pop music in general will never appeal to the broad spectrum of people.
You cannot dance to TD (thankfully)
Thinking introspective music is what appeals to me.
But most women are not intrigued by non-image performers.
There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the
musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully.
As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud.
Allison
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Thanks to all those who have answered my curiosity...
It just seemed that of the little pocket of society
that had heard and enjoyed TD (that I'm aware of),
there were so few females. Most other types of music
seem to have a pretty good split between male and
female fans.
Maybe some day my better half will love Rubycon like I
do!
jonnyboy.
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
--- Alysoun wrote:
> Thinking introspective music is what appeals to me.
Marry me! (my wife won't mind...except she's now going
to thump me!)
> There are no sex-symbols in electronic or
> progressive music
That Chris Franke nude spread in Playgirl didn't sell
many issues (he needed the money and it was tastefully
done...apparently)
>
> As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the
> proud.
>
> Allison
Give yourself a pat on the back. In all seriousness,
it is good to have this group and to be in the company
of like minded people who are aware that good music
can be without vocals and last longer than 4minutes.
jonnyboy.
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Alysoun wrote:
>
> You cannot dance to TD (thankfully)
Probably Edgar and Jerome don't agree with you, as they used dancers in
the Sony Center topping out ceremony. You can see pictures and more
details of this performance in Rainer Rutka's site at
http://www.rutka.de/td/sonyv.htm
Antonio Nunes
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From:
Alysoun
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Antonio:
When I say that you can't dance to it, I mean the house mix with 120
beats/minute
style of dance.
Allison
>Alysoun wrote:
> >
> > You cannot dance to TD (thankfully)
>
>Probably Edgar and Jerome don't agree with you, as they used dancers in
>the Sony Center topping out ceremony. You can see pictures and more
>details of this performance in Rainer Rutka's site at
>http://www.rutka.de/td/sonyv.htm
>
>Antonio Nunes
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
How many Star Trek movies are they going to make? lol I personaly thought
the first 5 was enough.. but then I stopped watching it when I was 12 or
so..lol.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:10 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
Going to see it today Jan. They have a web site of course. My thoughts most
likely will be biased anyway since I been watching Star Trek since day one.
I will try to be a bit more object when I post. Jerry does have some very
good pieces in the past.
Dale
From:
'goatsong99 '
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:35
am
Subject: Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the
musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully.
As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud.
Should I worry that when I saw Moby on MTV Cribs I went into shock
(good shock mind you) because the man had a bookshelf with books?
lol That was (to me) better then any of the
images/belongings/lifestyles/ect that any of them put out.. just
seeing that maybe one of those people can read, and may actually
enjoy it! lol
I'm such a dork..lol
From:
'goatsong99 '
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
I could care less who is making the music, what they look like, or
what their image is. Good music is good music.. just like a person
with a beautiful outside is still going to drive me up a wall if
they can't think for themselves, or have a bad attitude or whatever.
Sadly though, most people don't see this. Looks and materials are
more important to them. :-(
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Admin' wrote:
> Sean
> Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit
behind a
> keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what
ever they
> are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave
sound) into
> the system and I bet we have a star!
> It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish
to
> please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off
some
> world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl
bands).
>
> Dale
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Alysoun wrote:
>
> Antonio:
>
> When I say that you can't dance to it, I mean the house mix with 120
> beats/minute style of dance.
OK, I should have mentioned the Dream Mixes albums :-)
Antonio
From:
kostas karlis
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:37
pm
Subject: TT2 arrived
sorry for this late post byt i want to inform the one responsible for
collecting this kind of info that i have my TT2 package safe at home waiting to
be listened to.
sorry once again for this byt due to a format i have lost the e-mail that i was
supposed to reply to
once again thank you to all those that made this thing available [from TD for
playing till Heiko ,Joe and team for distrybiting and remastering]
kostas from greece
p.s. i have updated my status as received in the yahoo database, but i cannot
find myself in there for TT3 [although i was signed in for all the TT ]
any help?
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From:
Alysoun
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Claudio Monteverdi, the great Italian 17th century composer said once:
'The purpose of all good music is to affect the soul'
That is what it should boil down to.
He was a casualty of the the music 'industry' then (when it was the
patronage industry)
and he knew. His music is some of the most sublime and affective ever written.
MTV is the destroyer of worlds in this this. But while is destroyed the
musicianship, it created
a whole new aspect of music. It happened. Let's face it, it is not going away.
But not everyone has fallen for it. People who think for themselves and
follow their own tastes
have always been a rarity in this world. The music industry is the music
industry. The internet
makes it easy to circumvent the whole music industry and that is a great thing.
From what I understand about Moby he is a fluke. His music was used for
commericals and he was the
one responsible for promoting it. He's got a brain too, and a conscience.
And I respect him for it.
Maybe that is a ray of hope in the commericial side of the music industry.
But I'll wager that
someone in the industry suggested he 'beef up', change his style and conform.
Okay rant over, back to TD now.
I am relatively new to non-soundtrack TD but an old fan of the progressive
music.
We are the lucky ones, you know.
Allison
>I could care less who is making the music, what they look like, or
>what their image is. Good music is good music.. just like a person
>with a beautiful outside is still going to drive me up a wall if
>they can't think for themselves, or have a bad attitude or whatever.
>Sadly though, most people don't see this. Looks and materials are
>more important to them. :-(
>
>--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Admin' wrote:
> > Sean
> > Let's get Fabio (sub him for who ever is in the fad today) to sit
>behind a
> > keyboard. Do his usual butter commercial thing (sub this for what
>ever they
> > are known for). Play some TD (sub this for the latest EM/Rave
>sound) into
> > the system and I bet we have a star!
> > It's all about the visual. One has to cater to the group they wish
>to
> > please. Feel free to use this formula as needed. I borrowed it off
>some
> > world wide music industry list of sure success (aka boy bands/girl
>bands).
> >
> > Dale
>
>
>
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