From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory
>My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation
>there
>is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda...
So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as structurelessness?
Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure. If even
utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid definition:
music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those guidelines!
This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement structure. This
banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local shop's
customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own
structure, which is based on randomity.
I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a squahed
bug.
And the structure of my message here involves the following point: if
everything is structure, what use does one have with the word 'structure'
any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by
'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything.. so what
information does it include any more?
John Vertical
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
How old did you say you were???????
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> How many Star Trek movies are they going to make? lol I personaly thought
> the first 5 was enough.. but then I stopped watching it when I was 12 or
> so..lol.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:10 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> Going to see it today Jan. They have a web site of course. My thoughts
most
> likely will be biased anyway since I been watching Star Trek since day
one.
> I will try to be a bit more object when I post. Jerry does have some very
> good pieces in the past.
>
> Dale
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> it is good to have this group and to be in the company
> of like minded people who are aware that good music
> can be without vocals and last longer than 4minutes.
>
> jonnyboy.
Much as I love TD, it's not the only thing in life that's good without words
and lasts longer than 4 minutes...
oo er :-)
Paul
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
on 15/12/02 14:43, Antonio Nunes at hyperborean@m... wrote:
> Alysoun wrote:
>>
>> You cannot dance to TD (thankfully)
>
> Probably Edgar and Jerome don't agree with you, as they used dancers in
> the Sony Center topping out ceremony.
I think it was more a case of Sony using TD and the dancers ...
I'm in a cheeky mood today :-)
Paul
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:45
pm
Subject: chris franke collection
hi
due to unforseen circumstances i need to raise a bit of cash, so instead of
selling a couple of my rare TD cds i have decided to list my entire chris
franke collection on ebay, there are a few rare items listed.
have a look :-
http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=duncan41&in\
clude=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25
Thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 arrived
We will be doing a synchronization, probably this week, for all the 'PERM'
TT members. We will be checking the TT2 database, and properly adding PERMs
to TT3 that aren't int here already.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kostas karlis [mailto:k_koulos@p...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:37 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] TT2 arrived
>
>
> sorry for this late post byt i want to inform the one responsible
> for collecting this kind of info that i have my TT2 package safe
> at home waiting to be listened to.
>
> sorry once again for this byt due to a format i have lost the
> e-mail that i was supposed to reply to
>
> once again thank you to all those that made this thing available
> [from TD for playing till Heiko ,Joe and team for distrybiting
> and remastering]
>
> kostas from greece
>
> p.s. i have updated my status as received in the yahoo database,
> but i cannot find myself in there for TT3 [although i was signed
> in for all the TT ]
> any help?
>
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: Re: real chaos theory...
In a message dated 12/15/2002 8:39:31 AM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:29:44 EST
> From: Liondream@a...
> Subject: Re: chaos theory
>
> Okay, I don't post much, which is probably a good thing...
On second thought I went back in and deleted this message as well as the
third wheel message, unfortunately, it looks like it made it into the digest,
bleh. So please treat them accordingly.
:-)
w
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
From: 'PERGAMON'
> They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek
> movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait
> for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
Just seen it. Trust me, you're missing nothing. It's the worst Trek film to
date, and that's coming from someone who thinks the first film was good :-).
Maff
From:
'Grant M Somerville'
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 7:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> From: 'PERGAMON'
>
> > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
Trek
> > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to
wait
> > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
>
>
> Just seen it. Trust me, you're missing nothing. It's the worst Trek film
to
> date, and that's coming from someone who thinks the first film was good
:-).
>
>
> Maff
The first film was slated for being all effects and little story. The Wrath
of Khan had a more engaging storyline...so they said.
Seems like a long time ago now.
cheers, Grant.
From:
'esculap'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 1:58
am
Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake
>From: 'Roger Hartopp'
>The theme from 'The Snowman' (arranged by TD) was played over the closing
>titles of the film. Incidentally (as far as I am aware) this film is the
>only instance where TD use two non-original pieces (the other being 'Gloria
>Theme' which was cpmposed many many years ago by Thomas Tallis).
They used other 'non-original' pieces - Ludvig van Beethoven's 'Moonlight
Sonata' on 'Stratosfear' and Arcangelo Corelli's 'La Folia' on 'Force
Majeure', without mentioning the name of the composer on the LP/CD cover,
and of course G.F.Haendel's piece on 'Tyranny of Beauty' and also parts of
'Ambient Monkeys'. During some shows there were used different classical
tunes, too, but 'guilty' was Haslinger, I suppose :-)
Dream on,
Andrzej
From:
'esculap'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:24
am
Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> From: Jonathan Holt
> I have noticed a handful of the female of the species
> on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was
> some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew!
> I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this
> group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
> and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
> is a turn off and why?
> Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly
> attract men?
> jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands.
If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' (a great one, I don't remember
the authors... they were from Canada and Britain, I suppose), You'd know the
answer.
Women's and men's brains are not the same. Their structures aren't similar.
They both have two halves but their neurons have different junctions. During
the pregnance, the estrogens level varies at babygirl (her little ovaries
produce hormons already) and babyboy (he fortunately doesn't have ovaries,
estrogen comes from his mother). Different amounts of estrogen cause
different structure of the brain. I DON'T WANT TO SAY these or those brains
are better. For instance, women 'use' both halfes while men - mostly the
left OR right one. Women feel better poetry and painting, men - maths,
physics and architecture or sculpture. Females may do 2-3 different things
at the same time, males - only one but more precisely. And so on and so on.
They and we are perfect halves of the unity. Just Yin & Yang.
Of course, not every male understand maths, but majority of them is better
in that than majority of women. There are fathers who take care of their
children better than their wifes do. And some mothers feel better as bosses
than housewifes. This is probably due to some deviations of the estrogen
level during the pregnance.
I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So, it
is in 'male' style. Sometimes with female inputs (TD uses Blake's poems on
Tyger, but it sounds strange). That's why women, while listening to some
classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon,
Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, it's
boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with
not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-)
I DON'T WANT TO SAY women are worse, they are just different. And it's good.
So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like to
use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely Your
husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ?
;-)))
Andy
PS. That book and the estrogen level theory explains also the homo-,
transsexuality and transvestitism etiology. The researches was made on
pregnant rats, that got extra estrogen doses. Their 'sons' behaved as
females (a 7-feet-high-basketball-player saying 'How lovely are those violet
flowers!'). When reducing estrogen level, the later-born-'daughters' were
more aggresive and tried to copulate with other ones. After the
brainsection, as you may obviously suppose, their brains were of a opposite
sex construction.
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From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 8:04
am
Subject: TD references in unexpected places
In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream'
as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the planet
doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan...
Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, which
were already mentioned here :-)?
Bye,
Jens.
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
sean@t... wrote:
>And TD? They're just a
>couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a
>few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are
>definitely in the minority [...]
Funny you should say that. I saw Kraftwerk in concert in Osaka last night,
and they, too, are a couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. And
the video show behind them was just about the geekiest thing I've ever
experienced (I mean that in a good way). Yet, there were huge numbers of
women and girls in the audience. Including a really cute one who happened to
stand next to me the whole time. So whatever it is that theoretically makes
geeky music unpopular among Western women doesn't necessarily apply to the
Japanese.
Oh, also, their show was outstanding. Go see them if you get the chance!
--Daniel
NP: Ayumi Hamasaki - I Am...
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From:
jerome
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory
this is wonderful... very well said...
jerome
Liondream@a... wrote:Okay, I don't post much, which is probably a good
thing...
My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation there
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Hi,
I guess it rather boils down to the question how
people grew up. I was not brought up with music
by my parents, and rather followed the pop charts
as a kid slowly sliding into puberty (and that
was in the 70s - Abba, Smokie, that sort of stuff,
oh dear, and Status Quo of course ;-) ), and
if I wouldn't have had that two years older cousin
who I wanted to be like a bit and who came with
Pink Floyd's 'Wish you were here' and later, when
I followed the Pink Floyd track, with TD's Force
Majeure and Cyclone (the gate-fold, with the
coolest TD line up picture in it), I would probably
still follow the charts? Instead, my CD shelf is
full of TD, Schulze, Stockhausen, Cage, ah, and
Satriani, Stevie Ray Vaughan etc. (because Status
Quo made me picking up guitar... ;-) )
Where comes the gender-specific factor? I guess
it was because - at least in these days - it was
more the boys who would be raised with more technical
toys rather than girls. And since I had an interest
in electronics, the pictures of all those huge
modular synths fascinated me. So I guess 50% of
my early affection for TD and the like stems from
the fact that it just looked so damn cool to
be surrounded by all that blinking LEDs and patchcords
and knobs and sliders - like on the bridge of the
Enterprise or so. After all, that was also a piece
of music for me, all those bleeps and pings on the
(classic) Enterprise bridge - a great piece of
music.
Don't want to put your theory down, but to point
out that your environment is a big factor, and
that traditionally there is a difference
between girls and buys in the way they are
brought up. Also just by the different toys
they get for Xmas.
We're getting a baby soon, and no matter whether
it will be a boy or a girl, it will certainly
be confronted with technical construction sets
and model trains. Though my wife jokes that I'm
a bit selfish there..... ;-)
(Wonder how he/she will pick up on my analog
keyboards... ;-) )
armin
esculap wrote:
>> From: Jonathan Holt
>>I have noticed a handful of the female of the species
>>on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was
>>some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew!
>>I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this
>>group could let me know what TD music appeals to them
>>and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music
>>is a turn off and why?
>>Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly
>>attract men?
>>jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands.
>>
>
> If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' (a great one, I don't remember
> the authors... they were from Canada and Britain, I suppose), You'd know the
> answer.
> Women's and men's brains are not the same. Their structures aren't similar.
> They both have two halves but their neurons have different junctions. During
> the pregnance, the estrogens level varies at babygirl (her little ovaries
> produce hormons already) and babyboy (he fortunately doesn't have ovaries,
> estrogen comes from his mother). Different amounts of estrogen cause
> different structure of the brain. I DON'T WANT TO SAY these or those brains
> are better. For instance, women 'use' both halfes while men - mostly the
> left OR right one. Women feel better poetry and painting, men - maths,
> physics and architecture or sculpture. Females may do 2-3 different things
> at the same time, males - only one but more precisely. And so on and so on.
> They and we are perfect halves of the unity. Just Yin & Yang.
> Of course, not every male understand maths, but majority of them is better
> in that than majority of women. There are fathers who take care of their
> children better than their wifes do. And some mothers feel better as bosses
> than housewifes. This is probably due to some deviations of the estrogen
> level during the pregnance.
>
> I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So, it
> is in 'male' style. Sometimes with female inputs (TD uses Blake's poems on
> Tyger, but it sounds strange). That's why women, while listening to some
> classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon,
> Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, it's
> boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with
> not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-)
> I DON'T WANT TO SAY women are worse, they are just different. And it's good.
>
> So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like to
> use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely Your
> husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ?
> ;-)))
>
> Andy
>
> PS. That book and the estrogen level theory explains also the homo-,
> transsexuality and transvestitism etiology. The researches was made on
> pregnant rats, that got extra estrogen doses. Their 'sons' behaved as
> females (a 7-feet-high-basketball-player saying 'How lovely are those violet
> flowers!'). When reducing estrogen level, the later-born-'daughters' were
> more aggresive and tried to copulate with other ones. After the
> brainsection, as you may obviously suppose, their brains were of a opposite
> sex construction.
>
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:50
am
Subject: Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Armin Theissen
wrote:
>
> We're getting a baby soon, and no matter whether
> it will be a boy or a girl, it will certainly
> be confronted with technical construction sets
> and model trains. Though my wife jokes that I'm
> a bit selfish there..... ;-)
>
> (Wonder how he/she will pick up on my analog
> keyboards... ;-) )
(probably off-topic but there's some musical content)
Our baby is now 9 weeks old and he's beginning to
understand he has hands. :-)
Sometimes when I'm on the cough with him I play
some electronic/TD or progrock and it seems he doesn't
respond at all on it. :-) We can happily play a
DVD with full 5.1 and just sleeps through it.
First month was 'tough' because your life will be
really upside down (still is) and you have to adjust
your lifestyle (getting up in the night), but now
it's wonderful...he's smiling from ear to ear, responding
on your face and voice and making noises.
Sometimes I take him into my studio and he definitely
looks at the big modular...I'm not sure if I'm happy
with that. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:32
am
Subject: Re: chaos theory
Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody
and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD
player, their tracks become structured.
Then I think: is it the music that is structured, or is it my brain
that is structuring it? We cannot avoid the fact that a piece has a
beginning, a middle and an end. We are so conditioned to think this
way.
We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes.
There was an excellent episode of Red Dwarf when everything occurred
backwards. It really got you thinking.
Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to
counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble
up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track
order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the
good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away
sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-)
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical'
wrote:
> >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned
improvisation
> >there
> >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda...
>
>
> So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as
structurelessness?
> Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure.
If even
> utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid
definition:
> music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those
guidelines!
> This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement
structure. This
> banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local
shop's
> customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own
> structure, which is based on randomity.
> I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a
squahed
> bug.
>
> And the structure of my message here involves the following point:
if
> everything is structure, what use does one have with the
word 'structure'
> any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by
> 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything..
so what
> information does it include any more?
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
jerome
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 12:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory
i wonder if it's really about whether something has complete structure or no
structure at all... as wes pointed out, one will be hard pressed to find music
that doesn't have some structure somewhere...
what i think is so attractive about the older TD improv was the fact that as
our ear is trained to a certian level of harmonic and rhytmic structure, these
older pieces seemed to be always back away from that... as the songs
progressed, the 'random' notes or changes, the shift in the sense of rhythm
hinted at a structure that never became solid... like images which appear
through frosted glass, then disappear again...
the notes and patterns teased us with structure, which predictability on some
level, but rarely fufilled... the whole CD of encore is an excellent example of
this... they even went so far as to finally produce the structure
(monolight)... but even then, in comparison to other music, it is spare... but
compared to the rest of what was happening, it seemed almost too rigid...
it's the balance of what came before that gives us the impression of how
structured a piece is... the classical composers of the early 20th century went
MUCH further in destructuralism than TD ever managed...
it can be argued that the beauty of all of the earlier, improv, less-structured
work from TD is that it only hinted at what might be there, achingly... and in
30 years, that tease has never been fufilled...
and few things hold the human spirit in thrall more than an unfufilled
promise... in that sense, this music could be considered to be genius...
jerome
'Stephen Manship '
wrote:Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody
and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD
player, their tracks become structured.
Then I think: is it the music that is structured, or is it my brain
that is structuring it? We cannot avoid the fact that a piece has a
beginning, a middle and an end. We are so conditioned to think this
way.
We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes.
There was an excellent episode of Red Dwarf when everything occurred
backwards. It really got you thinking.
Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to
counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble
up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track
order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the
good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away
sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-)
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical'
wrote:
> >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned
improvisation
> >there
> >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda...
>
>
> So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as
structurelessness?
> Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure.
If even
> utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid
definition:
> music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those
guidelines!
> This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement
structure. This
> banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local
shop's
> customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own
> structure, which is based on randomity.
> I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a
squahed
> bug.
>
> And the structure of my message here involves the following point:
if
> everything is structure, what use does one have with the
word 'structure'
> any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by
> 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything..
so what
> information does it include any more?
>
> John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 1:37
pm
Subject: Children -- was Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
----- Original Message -----
From:
> Sometimes I take him into my studio and he definitely
> looks at the big modular...I'm not sure if I'm happy
> with that. :-)
Not only should you start a college fund now for Luka, it seems that you'll need
to start a modular fund, too! Of course, if you don't, you'll find out how
quickly children acquire the 'What's mine is mine and what's your's is mine'
syndrome... And if he doesn't stick with the modular, then you can use it to
make your modular bigger. That is unless he has also confiscated yours to make
his modular bigger! :-)
Groetjes,
Bill
From:
'Peter '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:41
pm
Subject: TT #3
Hey everyvody,
just a little question, please
can I already sign for the TT # 3 , and if yes ... where??
On www.tadream.net , I have found infos for TT#1 and TT#2, only.
Thanks for reading
Cheers
Pete
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From:
'corporalcripp '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 3:19
pm
Subject: Re: TT #3
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Peter '
wrote:
> Hey everyvody,
>
> just a little question, please
>
> can I already sign for the TT # 3 , and if yes ... where??
>
> On www.tadream.net , I have found infos for TT#1 and TT#2, only.
>
>
> Thanks for reading
>
> Cheers
>
Pete
Click on database(under links)-Bob
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From:
'Peter '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:23
pm
Subject: Re: TT #3
Hey Bob,
thanks.
just found out, that I'm in for TT3, already .
I'm a bit stupid, sometimes :-))
Cheers
PETE
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'corporalcripp '
wrote:
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Peter '
> wrote:
> > Hey everyvody,
> >
> > just a little question, please
> >
> > can I already sign for the TT # 3 , and if yes ... where??
> >
> > On www.tadream.net , I have found infos for TT#1 and TT#2, only.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for reading
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
Pete
> Click on database(under links)-Bob
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places
>In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream'
>as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the
>planet
>doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan...
>
>Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, which
>were already mentioned here :-)?
>
>Bye,
> Jens.
I'm building an RPG and throwing in things like Cinnamon Road, Goblins'
Club, Twin Soul Tribe...
Hmm, could consider an elf called 'June' to boot.
John Vertical
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Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places
Hi
A shop called Pentangle in Aberdeen's Union Street sells soap called
'Tangerine Dream' I've got a bit somewhere, it does smell rather fruity.
Best
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
Well saw it Saturday. It ranks up there with the rest. I think the last one
had a bit more character to it than this one. It does fit well into the
series.
Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the main theme. There was a lot more
musicians in the score than him in the credits.
When it comes out on DVD, I will add it to my collection.
Dale's movie rank. I consider 'Chucky' the worst movie ever. I don't think I
seen the greatest movie yet.
'The Keep' 8
Chucky scale 0.
The greatest 10
This Star Trek 8
Dale
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From: 'vic rek'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> Hi Jan,
> I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
> I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still
don't
> have the Euro, etc...
> So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are
> there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
> Vic
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PERGAMON
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
>
>
> > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
> Trek
> > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to
wait
> > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Wade Gordon'
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> >
> >
> > > Hey gang,
> > >
> > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Wade
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:05
pm
Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Allison said: You cannot dance to TD (thankfully)
Well _I_ can, and do (maybe not much in public though).
Then she said: As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud.
I'll drink to that!
LnH
Marion
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to be ...' S. Blakemore
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:00
pm
Subject: Alien Wolves et al.
Okay, like some of you already know, I'm collecting recurring themes /
sequences / sound effects in TD pieces...
Now I'd like to propose a new 'official' title: Alien Wolves.
This refers to the strange howling noises found in the following places:
-aplenty during 11.30 - 12.40 in Coldwater Canyon
-a very quiet, brief pop-up 7.17 into Monolight
-11.30-12.00 in Ricochet part 1 (initially hard to notice)
-lots in Midnight in Tula
-when the sequence starts in Ayers Majestic and in the corresponding (ie,
last) section of Horizon
-also, the intro in the 1st set of the 75 Pop'd Orange show (acoming part of
TT3)
Another really common sound effect (in the early 80s) goes in my database
currently under the simple title 'rustle 2', has anyone got a better one?
Here's where it occurs:
-The end of the sequence in Tangram set 1 (7.30) and at other points, too
-The 'Undulation' track on TT vol. 14
-The end of 'The Price', on the 80-82 shows
-Horns of Doom
-When the main theme starts in Beach Theme
-The beginning of Calymba Caly ('antique part')
-lots on Pilots of Purple Twilight, Exit, Valley of the Sun
-intro of Silver Scale on Tangents
-in Choronzon, 3.45 at the studio version (have to check live versions yet)
-Alleywalk and Moorland
-the TT vol. 10 version of Thermal Inversion (section 1) - other tours lack
this
-Speed
-intro of Poland? (slightly edited)
-1.56 into Network 23
Here's also some other curious things...
# The fourth bass sequence (the one that kicks in during the guitar solo) on
Cool Breeze of Brighton is from Ride on a Ray
# The studio additions part of Story of the Brave has the same melody line
as Coppercoast (on Tangents)
# The harpsichort patch plays identical lines during the Marakesh intro and
the sax / flute transistion phase in Long Island Sunset
# Kiew Mission, Polish Dance and Choronzon studio version share a common
drumbeat (zizi zizup, zop, zap)
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
I have heard Moby has turned some heads.
Not to mention 'Yes' in their day.
Seems I heard a few say Gary Neuman was hot too.
Then there are the Human League and other too in that long list...
dale
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From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:35 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the
> musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully.
>
> As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud.
>
> Should I worry that when I saw Moby on MTV Cribs I went into shock
> (good shock mind you) because the man had a bookshelf with books?
> lol That was (to me) better then any of the
> images/belongings/lifestyles/ect that any of them put out.. just
> seeing that maybe one of those people can read, and may actually
> enjoy it! lol
> I'm such a dork..lol
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory
Use Mozart's dice game.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory
> >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation
> >there
> >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda...
>
>
> So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as
structurelessness?
> Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure. If
even
> utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid definition:
> music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those guidelines!
> This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement structure.
This
> banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local shop's
> customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own
> structure, which is based on randomity.
> I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a squahed
> bug.
>
> And the structure of my message here involves the following point: if
> everything is structure, what use does one have with the word 'structure'
> any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by
> 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything.. so what
> information does it include any more?
>
> John Vertical
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:16
pm
Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Andy, that was a very interesting post on 'Sex and the brain'
Now I'm _extremely_ left brain according to some test or other I took a
while ago. Maybe that explains why I'm an 'honorary guy' (good at maths and
logic problems, work in computing, drink beer, have mostly male friends and
am not interested in make-up, clothes or babies). And why I like TD.
Or maybe not. I dunno.
LnH
Marion
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake
>They used other 'non-original' pieces - Ludvig van Beethoven's 'Moonlight
>Sonata' on 'Stratosfear'
Waitwaitwait. Where exactly? I knew the La Folia thing already, but where is
this? the piano on Invisible Limits?
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:23
pm
Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Hm. I originally replied to Jonathan off-list because I thought people
would say 'oh, not that old topic again'. But the thread seems to have
stimulated quite a few interesting thoughts. I already replied positively
to Andy's piece on 'Sex and the Brain', but I have to say that Armin rang a
bell too.
I was the eldest child, and close to my father. I grew up playing with
mechano and train sets (which little girls didn't DO in those days). I used
to help my dad do car maintenance in my teens. So maybe there's nature
_and_ nurture to be taken into account.
I don't think my parents influenced my musical tastes much, except in
encouraging me to be open-minded. (My mother, born in 1932, was a big fan
of Hendrix and The Doors, for example.)
LnH
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places
Jens said 'Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn
stars, which were already mentioned here :-)?'
Yes. On a seed exchange list I received recently there was a poppy Papaver
Orientale Tangerine Dream. So you can grow Tangerine Dream! Note it is
the oriental poppy not the opium type - somniferum. Well you can't have
everything.
David
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Wolves et al.
of course Pink Floyd had a number of similar items found in various tracks..
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: [tadream] Alien Wolves et al.
> Okay, like some of you already know, I'm collecting recurring themes /
> sequences / sound effects in TD pieces...
>
> Now I'd like to propose a new 'official' title: Alien Wolves.
> This refers to the strange howling noises found in the following places:
> -aplenty during 11.30 - 12.40 in Coldwater Canyon
> -a very quiet, brief pop-up 7.17 into Monolight
> -11.30-12.00 in Ricochet part 1 (initially hard to notice)
> -lots in Midnight in Tula
> -when the sequence starts in Ayers Majestic and in the corresponding (ie,
> last) section of Horizon
> -also, the intro in the 1st set of the 75 Pop'd Orange show (acoming part
of
> TT3)
>
> Another really common sound effect (in the early 80s) goes in my database
> currently under the simple title 'rustle 2', has anyone got a better one?
> Here's where it occurs:
> -The end of the sequence in Tangram set 1 (7.30) and at other points, too
> -The 'Undulation' track on TT vol. 14
> -The end of 'The Price', on the 80-82 shows
> -Horns of Doom
> -When the main theme starts in Beach Theme
> -The beginning of Calymba Caly ('antique part')
> -lots on Pilots of Purple Twilight, Exit, Valley of the Sun
> -intro of Silver Scale on Tangents
> -in Choronzon, 3.45 at the studio version (have to check live versions
yet)
> -Alleywalk and Moorland
> -the TT vol. 10 version of Thermal Inversion (section 1) - other tours
lack
> this
> -Speed
> -intro of Poland? (slightly edited)
> -1.56 into Network 23
>
> Here's also some other curious things...
>
> # The fourth bass sequence (the one that kicks in during the guitar solo)
on
> Cool Breeze of Brighton is from Ride on a Ray
> # The studio additions part of Story of the Brave has the same melody line
> as Coppercoast (on Tangents)
> # The harpsichort patch plays identical lines during the Marakesh intro
and
> the sax / flute transistion phase in Long Island Sunset
> # Kiew Mission, Polish Dance and Choronzon studio version share a common
> drumbeat (zizi zizup, zop, zap)
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>I guess it rather boils down to the question how
>people grew up.
Well, I first heard TD when I was 5. My dad has always had a very wide
musical taste (from Schubert to Gentle Giant to Jarre to Red Hot Chili
Peppers) so I naturally heard a lot of different things. Jarre was my first
favourite; TD came quickly afterwards. But the technicality had no role in
it. I do not find electronics an essential element of music; I like quite a
bit of standard instrumental music, too (eg Pekka Pohjola). I don't know why
I like TD so much, but do I need to?
>armin
BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin Theissen,
Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because here in
Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first Morgans I
ever met (online) were female..
> > Women's and men's brains are not the same.
AND the brains of some people, those with the Asperger syndome (like me),
have also different brains. Our brain chemicals are different, so it's a
difference on a more fundamental level...
> > For instance, women 'use' both halfes while men - mostly the
> > left OR right one. Women feel better poetry and painting, men - maths,
> > physics and architecture or sculpture. Females may do 2-3 different
>things
> > at the same time, males - only one but more precisely. And so on and so
>on.
> > They and we are perfect halves of the unity. Just Yin & Yang.
> > Of course, not every male understand maths, but majority of them is
>better
> > in that than majority of women. There are fathers who take care of their
> > children better than their wifes do. And some mothers feel better as
>bosses
> > than housewifes. This is probably due to some deviations of the estrogen
> > level during the pregnance.
> >
> > I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So,
>it
> > is in 'male' style.
I find this generally rather stereotypizing. You basically claim that women
are usually better than men in these poetry et al and vice versa, that it's
rare for a woman to be good in math... it's not *that* contrastive.
(At least I got the impression that you're strictly separating men and women
- apologies if I'm wrong)
> >That's why women, while listening to some
> > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon,
> > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on,
>it's
> > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with
> > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-)
This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females alike.
> > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like
>to
> > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely
>Your
> > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ?
> > ;-)))
> >
> > Andy
Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile claims at
the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining new
words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct, I'm really
unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18 yet), I
... well you get the point.
> >And TD? They're just a
> >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a
> >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are
> >definitely in the minority [...]
So you're saying that _women_ want music to be sexy and _men_ don't? I
really can't agree with that.
Geeks are more like a 3rd gender, than a subdivision of males.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory
>it can be argued that the beauty of all of the earlier, improv,
>less-structured work from TD is that it only hinted at what might be there,
>achingly... and in 30 years, that tease has never been fufilled...
>and few things hold the human spirit in thrall more than an unfufilled
>promise... in that sense, this music could be considered to be genius...
I know composers which have specifically even said that they've just been
looking for 30 years for that perfect song reflecting their whole musical
vision...
But yes, TD in the 70s did have this hints-of-something-divine feeling.
>We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes.
Oh, really? If we invented it, what about our evolution? What about the
stage when we almost had invented it? Did it flow slower, or to several ways
simultaneously?
And why do some laws of the physics still work only one way in time?
>Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to
>counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble
>up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track
>order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the
>good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away
>sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-)
>
>BTF
What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That is,
first you create some random instruments; then you create random melodies;
random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch
adjustment...
of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;)
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
On Monday 16 December 2002 7:11 pm, John Vertical wrote:
> BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin
> Theissen, Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might
> be because here in Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or
> 'Mari' & the first Morgans I ever met (online) were female..
Don't let Marion hear that!!!
--
Dennis
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
Thanks Dale..........
I can only hope the movie theaters here in Denmark will reconsider or that
it will be released on DVD soon.
I would like to see TD make a soundtrack for a Star Trek movie.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> Well saw it Saturday. It ranks up there with the rest. I think the last
one
> had a bit more character to it than this one. It does fit well into the
> series.
> Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the main theme. There was a lot more
> musicians in the score than him in the credits.
>
> When it comes out on DVD, I will add it to my collection.
>
> Dale's movie rank. I consider 'Chucky' the worst movie ever. I don't think
I
> seen the greatest movie yet.
> 'The Keep' 8
> Chucky scale 0.
> The greatest 10
> This Star Trek 8
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'vic rek'
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
>
>
> > Hi Jan,
> > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
> > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still
> don't
> > have the Euro, etc...
> > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are
> > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
> > Vic
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: PERGAMON
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> >
> >
> > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star
> > Trek
> > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to
> wait
> > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Wade Gordon'
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey gang,
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wade
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:20
pm
Subject: Re: chaos theory
Even on their 'Cantus Umbrarum' CD? Sounds like you're hearing things I'm not,
and I'm the guy who released the album:)
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
> Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody
> and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD
> player, their tracks become structured.
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Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:22
pm
Subject: Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> >I guess it rather boils down to the question how
> >people grew up.
My parents are both classical musicians (they met on an organ
stool...), and I grew up around churches and cathedrals, singing in
the choirs etc.
My first introduction to electronica was Tomita and JMJ, which I
quickly grew tired of. I was also heavily into Genesis, Queen, New
Order and the Cocteau Twins (the latter are my second favourite band
ever).
It was a complete fluke when I first heard TD (Barbakane) played on
the 'Friday Night Rock show'. It was a case of the music finding me
rather than visa versa, and it was such a relief to have TD albums
which I could listen to over and over without fatigue (when I could
not afford to buy many).
> Well, I first heard TD when I was 5. My dad has always had a very
wide
> musical taste (from Schubert to Gentle Giant to Jarre to Red Hot
Chili
> Peppers) so I naturally heard a lot of different things. Jarre was
my first
> favourite; TD came quickly afterwards. But the technicality had no
role in
> it. I do not find electronics an essential element of music; I like
quite a
> bit of standard instrumental music, too (eg Pekka Pohjola). I don't
know why
> I like TD so much, but do I need to?
I too am not into the technology one bit, but I definitely know that
the fact I am now an Architect and a TD fan are both connected to
those cathedrals in my early days. You can imagine the effect that
Live! Improvised! had on me when I first heard it.
>
> BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin
Theissen,
> Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because
here in
> Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first
Morgans I
> ever met (online) were female..
I think Marion is female!!! Correct me if I am wrong!
> > >That's why women, while listening to some
> > > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's
Rubycon,
> > > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say
usually : 'Come on,
> >it's
> > > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with
> > > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-)
>
>
> This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females
alike.
>
I think this point has more to do with 'sheep following the flock'
than it has to do with words and structures. If you look at the
classical world (where musical forms are often very similar to TD
work) the audience is largely 50/50.
>
> > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do
You like
> >to
> > > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat
cruely
> >Your
> > > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ?
> > > ;-)))
> > >
> > > Andy
>
>
> Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile
claims at
> the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining
new
> words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct,
I'm really
> unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18
yet), I
> ... well you get the point.
I definitely drink beer (why do you think I am called Billy the
Fish?), but I see a lot of myself in what you are saying. I have more
female friends than male and often find myself in an agony aunt
situation! I am rubbish at mending my car, am utterly passive (even
while riding a push-bike around London), I am not in to Sci-Fi or
computers (although I am a bit of a gadget addict)... but I
HATE 'girly films', so there is hope for my manliness yet!
>
> > >And TD? They're just a
> > >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While
there
are a
> > >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they
are
> > >definitely in the minority [...]
Who says TD are geeks? EF was a scupltor who rubbed shoulders with
Salvador Dali! His music made the headlines before the term 'geek'
was invented (they were called hippies then ;-)). Computers were
houses that cost as much as a country!
BTF
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
That would prove very interesting.
I think I have a cd with some of the Trek themes. I would most likely then
buy that one if TD was doing it or a good part.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> Thanks Dale..........
>
> I can only hope the movie theaters here in Denmark will reconsider or that
> it will be released on DVD soon.
>
> I would like to see TD make a soundtrack for a Star Trek movie.
>
> Jan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Administrator'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
>
>
> > Well saw it Saturday. It ranks up there with the rest. I think the last
> one
> > had a bit more character to it than this one. It does fit well into the
> > series.
> > Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the main theme. There was a lot more
> > musicians in the score than him in the credits.
> >
> > When it comes out on DVD, I will add it to my collection.
> >
> > Dale's movie rank. I consider 'Chucky' the worst movie ever. I don't
think
> I
> > seen the greatest movie yet.
> > 'The Keep' 8
> > Chucky scale 0.
> > The greatest 10
> > This Star Trek 8
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'vic rek'
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jan,
> > > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled?
> > > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still
> > don't
> > > have the Euro, etc...
> > > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW,
are
> > > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark?
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: PERGAMON
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> > >
> > >
> > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new
Star
> > > Trek
> > > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to
> > wait
> > > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for??????
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: 'Wade Gordon'
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM
> > > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey gang,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by
> > > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly
> > > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wade
> > > > >
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:28
pm
Subject: RE : [tadream] DWT3 pics online
Hello, Dreamers !
I have put the DWT3 pictures online.
Please go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y
The former pics of DWT2 are still on line but as my web is limited in
size, I shall delete those shortly.
Again, thanks to Yannick and all the dreamers who contributed in the
project.
Yannick sent the cdrs to me and I must say it's a delight - again :-))
If you're a leave of mine, please contact me offlist for a trade (2:1
cdr).
Best Regards,
Fred
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Depends on the term Geeks huh?
I always used that term with the heavy dark rim glasses, slick down hair,
needing a bath, non beer drinking, anti-music and pocket protector types.
How things have changed....
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:22 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> >I guess it rather boils down to the question how
> >people grew up.
My parents are both classical musicians (they met on an organ
stool...), and I grew up around churches and cathedrals, singing in
the choirs etc.
My first introduction to electronica was Tomita and JMJ, which I
quickly grew tired of. I was also heavily into Genesis, Queen, New
Order and the Cocteau Twins (the latter are my second favourite band
ever).
It was a complete fluke when I first heard TD (Barbakane) played on
the 'Friday Night Rock show'. It was a case of the music finding me
rather than visa versa, and it was such a relief to have TD albums
which I could listen to over and over without fatigue (when I could
not afford to buy many).
> Well, I first heard TD when I was 5. My dad has always had a very
wide
> musical taste (from Schubert to Gentle Giant to Jarre to Red Hot
Chili
> Peppers) so I naturally heard a lot of different things. Jarre was
my first
> favourite; TD came quickly afterwards. But the technicality had no
role in
> it. I do not find electronics an essential element of music; I like
quite a
> bit of standard instrumental music, too (eg Pekka Pohjola). I don't
know why
> I like TD so much, but do I need to?
I too am not into the technology one bit, but I definitely know that
the fact I am now an Architect and a TD fan are both connected to
those cathedrals in my early days. You can imagine the effect that
Live! Improvised! had on me when I first heard it.
>
> BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin
Theissen,
> Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because
here in
> Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first
Morgans I
> ever met (online) were female..
I think Marion is female!!! Correct me if I am wrong!
> > >That's why women, while listening to some
> > > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's
Rubycon,
> > > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say
usually : 'Come on,
> >it's
> > > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with
> > > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-)
>
>
> This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females
alike.
>
I think this point has more to do with 'sheep following the flock'
than it has to do with words and structures. If you look at the
classical world (where musical forms are often very similar to TD
work) the audience is largely 50/50.
>
> > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do
You like
> >to
> > > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat
cruely
> >Your
> > > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ?
> > > ;-)))
> > >
> > > Andy
>
>
> Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile
claims at
> the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining
new
> words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct,
I'm really
> unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18
yet), I
> ... well you get the point.
I definitely drink beer (why do you think I am called Billy the
Fish?), but I see a lot of myself in what you are saying. I have more
female friends than male and often find myself in an agony aunt
situation! I am rubbish at mending my car, am utterly passive (even
while riding a push-bike around London), I am not in to Sci-Fi or
computers (although I am a bit of a gadget addict)... but I
HATE 'girly films', so there is hope for my manliness yet!
>
> > >And TD? They're just a
> > >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While
there
are a
> > >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they
are
> > >definitely in the minority [...]
Who says TD are geeks? EF was a scupltor who rubbed shoulders with
Salvador Dali! His music made the headlines before the term 'geek'
was invented (they were called hippies then ;-)). Computers were
houses that cost as much as a country!
BTF
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From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:35
pm
Subject: Re: chaos theory
> >We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes.
>
>
> Oh, really? If we invented it, what about our evolution? What about
the
> stage when we almost had invented it? Did it flow slower, or to
several ways
> simultaneously?
> And why do some laws of the physics still work only one way in time?
>
What I really meant was that we were the ones to become _aware_ of
time. Of course it always existed, but we are the ones who chopped it
into hours, minutes and seconds and became aware of a past present
and future.
I would love to know what my dog makes of Rubycon - v - Rockoon for
example! Does she crave the anticipation of the arrival of the first
sequence in the way that I do, or does she just accept it when it
arrives? Does she become more restless with tracks from Rockoon in
the same way I do? Who knows! I would love to know what it would be
like to perceive the world without understanding the concept of time
though. I would imagine it is far more relaxing, taking things as
they come.
> >Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to
> >counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble
> >up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track
> >order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to
the
> >good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away
> >sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-)
> >
> >BTF
>
>
> What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music.
That is,
> first you create some random instruments; then you create random
melodies;
> random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed /
pitch
> adjustment...
>
> of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;)
>
> John Vertical
There was a modern composer (a contemporary of Schoenburg) who used a
calculator with a random number generator to compose his music. I
can't remember his name, but it was an agonising listen! Some how the
chaos theory works better with visuals (such as fractals) than with
music.
BTF
From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:39
pm
Subject: Re: chaos theory
Okay! Point taken :-0 But this is an exception right?
There was an interview a while back (which I will try to find one
day) where this was said, and it certainly rings true in a lot of
their output!
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, DAVKAUFMAN@a... wrote:
> Even on their 'Cantus Umbrarum' CD? Sounds like you're hearing
things I'm not, and I'm the guy who released the album:)
>
> Dave Kaufman
> Horizon Music, Inc.
> www.hmnetwork.com
>
> > Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure,
melody
> > and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the
CD
> > player, their tracks become structured.
From:
Alysoun
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Marion:
High-five sister.
Yup, never did the stupid girl things, not petty, hate gossip.
Music is where it is at for me most of the time.
Not that I am good at math, drink beer (hate beer), but I do believe that
we'd all be
better off if logic controlled the world and my friends have always been
male because they
are less petty and straight forward:
Allison
>Andy, that was a very interesting post on 'Sex and the brain'
>
>Now I'm _extremely_ left brain according to some test or other I took a
>while ago. Maybe that explains why I'm an 'honorary guy' (good at maths and
>logic problems, work in computing, drink beer, have mostly male friends and
>am not interested in make-up, clothes or babies). And why I like TD.
>
>Or maybe not. I dunno.
>
>LnH
>
>Marion
>
>'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
>to be ...' S. Blakemore
>
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From:
'esculap'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:22
am
Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>>esculap wrote:
>> If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain'
>From: Armin Theissen
>I guess it rather boils down to the question how
>people grew up.
>Where comes the gender-specific factor? I guess
>it was because - at least in these days - it was
>more the boys who would be raised with more technical
>toys rather than girls.
After the WWII, when Jews planned to crowd their 'new' land on Near East,
they made an interesting research. They placed their (or parentless) new
born children in kibutz (I'm not sure if I spell it correctly), a place they
grew up together without their parents. But it wasn't just a kindergarten -
boys as much as girls worn same suits and played same toys. The idea was to
check out if they become 'unisex' in the future. And despite of identical
raising methods, the children felt somehow their young sexes - girls
preferred dolls, boys - cars and trains ;-)
Yes, if you'd live among killers, you'd probable become the same crimer. But
if you live among TD fans, perhaps you'll love those tunes, but it's not so
sure. Maybe you'll start to hate them?
>I was not brought up with music
>by my parents, and rather followed the pop charts
>as a kid slowly sliding into puberty (and that
>was in the 70s - Abba, Smokie, that sort of stuff,
>oh dear, and Status Quo of course ;-) ), and
>if I wouldn't have had that two years older cousin
>who I wanted to be like a bit and who came with
>Pink Floyd's 'Wish you were here' and later, when
>I followed the Pink Floyd track, with TD's Force
>Majeure and Cyclone (the gate-fold, with the
>coolest TD line up picture in it), I would probably
>still follow the charts? Instead, my CD shelf is
>full of TD, Schulze, Stockhausen, Cage, ah, and
>Satriani, Stevie Ray Vaughan etc. (because Status
>Quo made me picking up guitar... ;-) )
>And since I had an interest
>in electronics, the pictures of all those huge
>modular synths fascinated me. So I guess 50% of
>my early affection for TD and the like stems from
>the fact that it just looked so damn cool to
>be surrounded by all that blinking LEDs and patchcords
>and knobs and sliders - like on the bridge of the
>Enterprise or so. After all, that was also a piece
>of music for me, all those bleeps and pings on the
>(classic) Enterprise bridge - a great piece of
>music.
And maybe You were pre-programmed to like blinking LEDs and knobs,
and...TD? A different person, treated the same way with ABBA, the Rubbettes,
Smokie etc. and then with Pink Floyd and Schulze would perhaps say (in the
presence of blinking LEDs) 'no, no, no, I dislike this , I prefer custom
Christmas tree and ABBA is perfect to me'. Genetics?
>Don't want to put your theory down,
...not mine...I only agree with it.
>but to point
>out that your environment is a big factor, and
>that traditionally there is a difference
>between girls and buys in the way they are
>brought up.
My two sisters were growing up in almost the same time and
'circumstancies' but they seem to be from different planets now.
>We're getting a baby soon
GRATULATIONS
>(Wonder how he/she will pick up on my analog
>keyboards... ;-) )
I suppose, she will treat them with a red lipstick, and he will use a hummer
:-)
Better place Your precious CDs higher...
Andy
From:
'esculap'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:22
am
Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake
>From: 'John Vertical'
>>They used other 'non-original' pieces - Ludvig van Beethoven's 'Moonlight
>>Sonata' on 'Stratosfear'
>Waitwaitwait. Where exactly? I knew the La Folia thing already, but where
is
>this? the piano on Invisible Limits?
>John Vertical
Yes, at the end of this piece.
Andy
From:
'esculap'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:33
am
Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> > I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So,
>>it is in 'male' style.
>From: 'John Vertical'
>I find this generally rather stereotypizing. You basically claim that women
>are usually better than men in these poetry et al and vice versa, that it's
>rare for a woman to be good in math... it's not *that* contrastive.
Stereotypes don't come from heaven. They have strong basis. I was naturally
talking about statistics, didn't mean ALL women are that and ALL men that.
>(At least I got the impression that you're strictly separating men and
women
>- apologies if I'm wrong)
NO,no,no, it's more fun to UNseparate from women ;-)
> >That's why women, while listening to some
> > classic TD tunes say usually : 'Come on, it's
> > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with
> > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-)
>This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females alike.
Yes, but from plenty of males and females I personally talked to, only a few
answered: 'Yes, I like TD a lot'. They were MALES only...
> > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like
>to
> > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely
>Your
> > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ?
> > ;-)))
> >
> > Andy
>Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile claims at
>the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining new
>words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct, I'm
really
>unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18 yet), I
>... well you get the point.
>John Vertical
I wouldn't like to say that typical TD fan looks like Swarzenegger :-)
And testosteron causes troubles mostly...
And a big beer stomach doesn't make man more 'manly'. Though few women like
it...(fortunately...)
Wouldn't be our world boring if we were all Barbies and Kens only?
Dream on,
Andy
PS. The only Marion I 'knew' was Robin Hood's girl. She didn't look as a
male.
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:36
am
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #299
[ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #299 December 12, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining
pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Planetary
Chronicles Volume 1' on the Miramar label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Sequencer' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on
the Passport Records label.
Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Synergy Cybersports Sequencer (Passport)
Wayne Lyttle Harmonic Voltage Animusic (Animusic)
Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part IV Oxygene (Dreyfus)
Redshift Halo Halo (Distant Sun)
Otarion Select Select Creator (Neu Harmony)
Tranzit H2O Tranz-Rapid (Groove)
Alpha Wave Movement Liquid Cosmos A Distant Signal (HRR)
Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom)
12:00 am
Jonn Serrie Mystery Road Planetary Chronicles Volume 1
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Volume 1
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie The Straits of Madigann Planetary Chronicles Volume 1
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Starmoods Planetary Chronicles Volume 1
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie The Auran Vector Planetary Chronicles Volume 1
(Miramar)
Max van Richter The House of Visual Resurrection (Neu Harmony)
Transference
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Planetary Chronicles Volume 2' on the Miramar
label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Chronos' by Michael Stearns on the
Sonic Atmospheres label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: TD forum
>Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings,
>but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy.
>The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a
>high profile so the whole forum dried up.
A late comment, I'm just back from holiday:
sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to
information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means,
that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind
of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, complaints...
Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with
activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated
evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:09
pm
Subject: RE: TD references in unexpected places
> From: Jens Kilian
> Subject: TD references in unexpected places
>
> In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses
'Tangerine Dream'
> as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference,
the
> planet
> doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan...
What's the year of the first issue of the novel? (just to clear who is
a fanof whom... perhaps...)
> Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn
stars, which
> were already mentioned here :-)?
For example: a Polish bath and shower gel, coming in a green bottle...
Peter
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:14
pm
Subject: Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain)
Got to jump in on the left brain/right brain thing...
We did this test in HS, and I came in pretty much 'whole brained'. (very
slightly to the left).
The only other person that scored about like me was a girl who scored very
slightly right-brained.
My line of work seems to fit the whole-brain pretty well:
I make 3-D CAD models of space flight hardware. Seeing things in 3-D is a
right-brain activity. Running the numbers and writing documentation is a
left-brained activity. Kind of an odd mix for working.
There is one woman in my office who has no sense of 3-D and how things fit
together, but she's a very 'girly' girl (likes dolls, soft piano music,
decorates the office at Christmas, etc.)
There is another woman here who has a great sense of 3D, is an excellent
writer (does newspaper columns on the side), and is working on a PhD in
Chemical Engineering. She's one of the more 'manly' women I know, rides a
bicycle to work 12 miles everyday, very active in the community, used to own
a coffee shop, etc.
Somehow, niether of these ladies seems to fit the mold of
left-brain/right-brain.
On the other hand, both of them have listened to, and enjoyed, TD and other
EM that I have played at the office and in my car.
So how's that for muddling the issue....
James
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From:
pfellows@c...
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain)
----Message d'origine----
>A: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com''
>De: 'Owens, James'
>Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:59 -0600
>Sujet: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls
and the uncertain)
>
>Got to jump in on the left brain/right brain thing...
>
>We did this test in HS, and I came in pretty much 'whole
brained'. (very
>slightly to the left).
>The only other person that scored about like me was a girl
who scored very
>slightly right-brained.
>
>My line of work seems to fit the whole-brain pretty well:
>I make 3-D CAD models of space flight hardware. Seeing
things in 3-D is a
>right-brain activity. Running the numbers and writing
documentation is a
>left-brained activity. Kind of an odd mix for working.
>
>There is one woman in my office who has no sense of 3-D
and how things fit
>together, but she's a very 'girly' girl (likes dolls, soft piano
music,
>decorates the office at Christmas, etc.)
>
>There is another woman here who has a great sense of
3D, is an excellent
>writer (does newspaper columns on the side), and is
working on a PhD in
>Chemical Engineering. She's one of the more 'manly'
women I know, rides a
>bicycle to work 12 miles everyday, very active in the
community, used to own
>a coffee shop, etc.
>
>Somehow, niether of these ladies seems to fit the mold of
>left-brain/right-brain.
>
>On the other hand, both of them have listened to, and
enjoyed, TD and other
>EM that I have played at the office and in my car.
>
>So how's that for muddling the issue....
>
>James
So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two
women from your office into your car and all you did was
play them TD music?!!
Sorry, couldn't resist it :-)
Paul
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 4:55
pm
Subject: Re: TD forum
>Klaus Beschorner said:
> >Morgan said:
> >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings,
> >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy.
> >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a
> >high profile so the whole forum dried up.
>
>A late comment, I'm just back from holiday:
>sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to
>information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means,
>that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind
>of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, complaints...
>
>Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with
>activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated
>evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-)
When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive answers
about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as much as
possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6 years to
get a grasp on it all?
This is because the people with the really good information generally keep
it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into the same
thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and then a
public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not even
close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to accomplish.
Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing TD
concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum locked
away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month.
-Morgan
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From:
'Stephen Manship '
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:05
pm
Subject: Re: TD forum
Could one problem be that a lot of these collectors do not have the
kind of computer access that we have? It is so easy to take for
granted this means of communication, but I am constantly being caught
out in my line of work with clients that don't even own a computer!
Perhaps some of the great collectors (especiallly from your favourite
era Morgan) are still die-hard hippies living in the hills?
Nice thought come to think of it ;-)
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >Klaus Beschorner said:
> > >Morgan said:
> > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert
recordings,
> > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of
secrecy.
> > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to
have a
> > >high profile so the whole forum dried up.
> >
> >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday:
> >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated
to
> >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also
means,
> >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What
kind
> >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints,
complaints...
> >
> >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming
with
> >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow
emanated
> >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-)
>
> When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive
answers
> about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as
much as
> possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6
years to
> get a grasp on it all?
>
> This is because the people with the really good information
generally keep
> it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into
the same
> thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and
then a
> public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not
even
> close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to
accomplish.
>
> Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing
TD
> concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum
locked
> away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month.
>
> -Morgan
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain)
That is what he confessed too, Paul.
What was he playing now is the next question.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the
uncertain)
> ----Message d'origine----
> >A: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com''
>
> >De: 'Owens, James'
> >Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:59 -0600
> >Sujet: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls
> and the uncertain)
> >
> >Got to jump in on the left brain/right brain thing...
> >
> >We did this test in HS, and I came in pretty much 'whole
> brained'. (very
> >slightly to the left).
> >The only other person that scored about like me was a girl
> who scored very
> >slightly right-brained.
> >
> >My line of work seems to fit the whole-brain pretty well:
> >I make 3-D CAD models of space flight hardware. Seeing
> things in 3-D is a
> >right-brain activity. Running the numbers and writing
> documentation is a
> >left-brained activity. Kind of an odd mix for working.
> >
> >There is one woman in my office who has no sense of 3-D
> and how things fit
> >together, but she's a very 'girly' girl (likes dolls, soft piano
> music,
> >decorates the office at Christmas, etc.)
> >
> >There is another woman here who has a great sense of
> 3D, is an excellent
> >writer (does newspaper columns on the side), and is
> working on a PhD in
> >Chemical Engineering. She's one of the more 'manly'
> women I know, rides a
> >bicycle to work 12 miles everyday, very active in the
> community, used to own
> >a coffee shop, etc.
> >
> >Somehow, niether of these ladies seems to fit the mold of
> >left-brain/right-brain.
> >
> >On the other hand, both of them have listened to, and
> enjoyed, TD and other
> >EM that I have played at the office and in my car.
> >
> >So how's that for muddling the issue....
> >
> >James
>
> So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two
> women from your office into your car and all you did was
> play them TD music?!!
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist it :-)
>
> Paul
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
3 a month wont cut it, but 3 excellent posts a month is better than nada.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:55 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: TD forum
>
> >Klaus Beschorner said:
> > >Morgan said:
> > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert
recordings,
> > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of
secrecy.
> > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a
> > >high profile so the whole forum dried up.
> >
> >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday:
> >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to
> >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means,
> >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind
> >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints,
complaints...
> >
> >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with
> >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated
> >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-)
>
> When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive answers
> about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as much as
> possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6 years
to
> get a grasp on it all?
>
> This is because the people with the really good information generally keep
> it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into the
same
> thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and then a
> public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not even
> close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to accomplish.
>
> Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing TD
> concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum locked
> away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum
I wonder what they are doing for power to play the CD's or records (perhaps
a wind up)?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: TD forum
> Could one problem be that a lot of these collectors do not have the
> kind of computer access that we have? It is so easy to take for
> granted this means of communication, but I am constantly being caught
> out in my line of work with clients that don't even own a computer!
>
> Perhaps some of the great collectors (especiallly from your favourite
> era Morgan) are still die-hard hippies living in the hills?
>
> Nice thought come to think of it ;-)
>
> BTF
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > >Klaus Beschorner said:
> > > >Morgan said:
> > > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert
> recordings,
> > > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of
> secrecy.
> > > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to
> have a
> > > >high profile so the whole forum dried up.
> > >
> > >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday:
> > >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated
> to
> > >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also
> means,
> > >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What
> kind
> > >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints,
> complaints...
> > >
> > >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming
> with
> > >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow
> emanated
> > >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-)
> >
> > When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive
> answers
> > about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as
> much as
> > possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6
> years to
> > get a grasp on it all?
> >
> > This is because the people with the really good information
> generally keep
> > it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into
> the same
> > thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and
> then a
> > public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not
> even
> > close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to
> accomplish.
> >
> > Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing
> TD
> > concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum
> locked
> > away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month.
> >
> > -Morgan
>
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain)
I play different stuff around them. I usually stick to more melodic stuff
around 'A' (the 'girlie' girl). I have given her a CD with the opening
piano part of Pergammon, Rumpel Town, 29 Palms, Livemiles-Berlin part 1, and
one of Haslinger's '86 piano medlies. The Disc also contained Purple Waves
and Riding into Blue from Franke's Pacific Coast Highway. Anyway, she likes
the disc very much. I have also played some of my own compositions for her,
which she seemed to appreciate (perhaps just being polite?)
Woman 'B' is a different story. She seems to 'get into' whatever I happen
to be playing at the time, especially if it's got a good beat. She has
expressed 'specific interest' in some of the Dark Side of the Moog series.
In her car she typically plays either the hard-rock station or the classical
station, depending on the day. But she's usually on her bike, so I don't
ride in her car very often.
James
BTW Paul - I'd like to keep my job (and my marriage for that matter), so
making TD converts out of these ladies is my highest aspiration ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> That is what he confessed too, Paul.
>
> What was he playing now is the next question.
>
> Dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two
> > women from your office into your car and all you did was
> > play them TD music?!!
> >
> > Sorry, couldn't resist it :-)
> >
> > Paul
From:
'goatsong99 '
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:26
pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark?
A bit late, but to whoever it was that asked me how old I was, I'm
21. 22 next month..lol.
I may have been exagerating when I said I outgrew Star Trek at 12...
I stopped watching it when DSN started, seems like it all went
downhill from there.
Before that... well, I had a cruch on Riker.. lol. That was what got
me watching it to begin with, then my Mom got into the whole sci-fi
thing... not sure how, since you can't even get her in the same room
as a computer!
From:
'goatsong99 '
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:22
pm
Subject: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
every single one back because I'm bouncing.
I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
it just keeps bouncing.
Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
bouncing.
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 9:06
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Wow! That was interesting!
I won't say I'm going to go beat anyone senseless (hehe) but I will side
with the male brain- although I have to be doing about 20 things when I'm on
the comp, but any othe trtime, I do one and only one thing, and do my best.
When I was in school I was great at math, though it took me a bit to get the
concept of something new.
Art and poetry... art I love.. so long as it calls to me... poetry.. um.. I
have to be in the mood for that.
A good mud fight? Bring it on!
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
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-----Original Message-----
From: esculap [mailto:andrzejos@e...]
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:25 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' (a great one, I don't remember
the authors... they were from Canada and Britain, I suppose), You'd know the
answer......
From:
'P.M. Dierking'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:26
am
Subject: Re: derivatives
John Vertical wrote:
<< Polish Dance and Choronzon studio version share a
common drumbeat (zizi zizup, zop, zap)>>
The upper register sequence of Polish Dance is rather derivative of Choronzon
as well. I'd have to view Polish Dance as an evolution of Choronzon, actually.
Have you ever noticed that Schmoelling's Icewalk (from White Out) is a
derivative of Zebbyworld index 8102? Check out the Newcastle (25 Oct 1981)
recording about 33:25 through 37:20 in the second half of the concert. Compare
to Icewalk from 2:07 through 4:52. In either song, its an incredible passage!
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
I've had to reset my yahoogroups about 5 times over the last several months.
Not too bad, since I've been too busy to read or post anyway. (Only reason
I'm posting now is that I'm putting off doing something that needed to be
done last Friday!)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: goatsong99
> Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> it just keeps bouncing.
> Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> bouncing.
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> it just keeps bouncing.
> Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> bouncing.
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Hmm... weird... can't be just me and my friend are having probs, but it
seems like it! lol
Thanks for the responce James.
Debra Wilson
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AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:20 AM
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
I've had to reset my yahoogroups about 5 times over the last several months.
Not too bad, since I've been too busy to read or post anyway. (Only reason
I'm posting now is that I'm putting off doing something that needed to be
done last Friday!)
James
From:
'Brad Kuhn '
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: Looking for Suggestions...
Folks-
I've been lurking for awhile and wanted to do a quick intro. My name
is Brad - I live in Maryland, US and have been listening to TD,
Jarre, and Schulze for about 20 years. The majority of my electronic
collection is unfortunately in vinyl, and since I don't have my
turntable hooked up, I don't get a chance to listen to it! I've been
slowly rebuilding my collection on CD and wanted some suggestions. I
recently ordered the trilogy set and am looking forward to listening
to it (though I already have all the original CDs). I'm more
interested in the 'melodic' recordings and not so much the 'ambient'
recordings. I like Underwater Sunlight and picked up Poland last
night and am really enjoying it (listening to it right now). I
consider Jarre's Oxygene to be one of my ten 'stranded on a beach'
CDs.
So what other suggestions does the group have for me? Would prefer
works that are in print.
Thanks!
B
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain)
This sounds text book, of course James.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Owens, James'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the
uncertain)
> I play different stuff around them. I usually stick to more melodic stuff
> around 'A' (the 'girlie' girl). I have given her a CD with the opening
> piano part of Pergammon, Rumpel Town, 29 Palms, Livemiles-Berlin part 1,
and
> one of Haslinger's '86 piano medlies. The Disc also contained Purple
Waves
> and Riding into Blue from Franke's Pacific Coast Highway. Anyway, she
likes
> the disc very much. I have also played some of my own compositions for
her,
> which she seemed to appreciate (perhaps just being polite?)
>
> Woman 'B' is a different story. She seems to 'get into' whatever I happen
> to be playing at the time, especially if it's got a good beat. She has
> expressed 'specific interest' in some of the Dark Side of the Moog series.
> In her car she typically plays either the hard-rock station or the
classical
> station, depending on the day. But she's usually on her bike, so I don't
> ride in her car very often.
>
> James
>
> BTW Paul - I'd like to keep my job (and my marriage for that matter), so
> making TD converts out of these ladies is my highest aspiration ;-)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > That is what he confessed too, Paul.
> >
> > What was he playing now is the next question.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two
> > > women from your office into your car and all you did was
> > > play them TD music?!!
> > >
> > > Sorry, couldn't resist it :-)
> > >
> > > Paul
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: derivatives
>The upper register sequence of Polish Dance is rather derivative of
>Choronzon as well. I'd have to view
>Polish Dance as an evolution of Choronzon, actually.
I agree, but I'm not listing those sorts of things yet. It's just a similar
structure... not mimed.
This applies as well to the end-set piece of early 80s, the one played
always after Force Majeure - versus the Logos finale.
>Have you ever noticed that Schmoelling's Icewalk (from White Out) is a
>derivative of Zebbyworld index 8102? Check out the Newcastle (25 Oct 1981)
>recording about 33:25 through 37:20 in the second half of the concert.
>Compare to Icewalk from 2:07 through 4:52. In either song, its an
>incredible passage!
Someone else noted this already a while ago. BTW, '8102' is commonly known
as 'Thermal Inversion'.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorry!
> > BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin
>Theissen,
> > Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because
>here in
> > Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first
>Morgans I
> > ever met (online) were female..
>
>I think Marion is female!!! Correct me if I am wrong!
ARGH! Am I just plain stubid or what?
Sorry, Marion...
John Vertical
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From:
'bjoernsip '
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:04
pm
Subject: Re: Looking for Suggestions...
a very difficult question, I think this would be my personal top-ten
by now (in addition of the ones you´ve mentioned before):
01: Tangerine Dream - The i-box
02: Christopher Franke - The London Concert
03: Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words
04: Klaus Schulze - X
05: Vangelis - 1492 (Conquest of paradise)
06: Tangerine Dream - 220 Volt (live)
07: Ashra - Blackouts
08: Mike Oldfield - Songs of distant earth
09: Eloy - Oceans
10: Kitaro - The Silk Road
But there are so much more to be mentioned.......
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:22
pm
Subject: Re: chaos theory
> Okay! Point taken :-0 But this is an exception right?
I would say yes. Christian Jacob has told me that a lot of the post-'Cantus
Umbrarum' stuff Lightwave has been working on has much more rhythm than
'Cantus' did. I think 'Caryotype', for example, is indicative of what you're
saying.
Cordially,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: RE: Random
I've really been enjoying the Nord modular I bought, soft synths offer
similar. Randomizing borders on the divine for me. Controlled Randomization
would probably be a better term, because you can limit the randomization to
a range or specific notes if you want. A modular synth system is a great
playground, I've always have been fascinated by random things. True random
is rare, I don't think the Nord has true random but uses psuedo
(algorithmic) random. In the computer industry psuedo random is very useful
because of the repeatability of the number sequence, it gives you repeatable
test results, or repeatable modular patches.
>What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That is,
>first you create some random instruments; then you create random melodies;
>random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch
>adjustment...
>
>of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;)
>
>John Vertical
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Random
You could use a computer to trigger the random events.
Many ways to do such, write a program in VB that sends out random midi to
your sequencer, triggers, and so forth. Base it on random flux of quanta
derived or attached a antenna and let nature determine the random event via
lighting strikes or other emi in the area. I am sure the background flux of
the microwave radiation would serve nicely here too.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Whiteley, Steve'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: [tadream] RE: Random
> I've really been enjoying the Nord modular I bought, soft synths offer
> similar. Randomizing borders on the divine for me. Controlled
Randomization
> would probably be a better term, because you can limit the randomization
to
> a range or specific notes if you want. A modular synth system is a great
> playground, I've always have been fascinated by random things. True random
> is rare, I don't think the Nord has true random but uses psuedo
> (algorithmic) random. In the computer industry psuedo random is very
useful
> because of the repeatability of the number sequence, it gives you
repeatable
> test results, or repeatable modular patches.
>
> >What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That
is,
>
> >first you create some random instruments; then you create random
melodies;
> >random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch
> >adjustment...
> >
> >of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;)
> >
> >John Vertical
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: barbie and ken
>Wouldn't be our world boring if we were all Barbies and Kens only?
not sure--but certainlymore in-bred as, IIRC, Ken is Barbie's brother....
--T
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: Gendered names
John, I can assure you _I'm_ not male, although Marion can be a man's name
(I believe it was John Wayne's real middle name). It's just that my dad
(who registered my birth) can't spell! (The more usual female spelling is
Marian, as in Robin Hood and Maid Marian - an old English folk story.)
But I forgive you.
LnH
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Random
Didn't Synergy do an album of music played by a computer program? I was
thinking 'Computer Experiments Volume 1' was created by an algorithm that
randomly changed chords, voices, and so forth within a certain structure.
Either way, I really like that album, very ambient compared to most Synergy
albums.
Of course, if you want true random 'music', get the set of Voyager
recordings that NASA released. If you haven't heard of these, they are
recording of EM radiation in space at various places (at the bow shock of
Jupiter's Magnetosphere, for instance). The sounds are quite spectacular,
and well worth adding to your collection (for the novelty if nothing else).
I find them great to relax and/or sleep to (fairly ambient by nature).
James
> -----Original Message-----
> You could use a computer to trigger the random events.
>
> Many ways to do such, write a program in VB that sends out
> random midi to
> your sequencer, triggers, and so forth. Base it on random
> flux of quanta
> derived or attached a antenna and let nature determine the
> random event via
> lighting strikes or other emi in the area. I am sure the
> background flux of
> the microwave radiation would serve nicely here too.
>
> dale
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Gendered names
I thought Marion was the correct spelling!
Marian being the 'olde' english version!!!
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: [tadream] Gendered names
> John, I can assure you _I'm_ not male, although Marion can be a man's name
> (I believe it was John Wayne's real middle name). It's just that my dad
> (who registered my birth) can't spell! (The more usual female spelling is
> Marian, as in Robin Hood and Maid Marian - an old English folk story.)
>
> But I forgive you.
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
>
> 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it
needs
> to be ...' S. Blakemore
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:44
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Random
Random music/sounds?
Is that really interesting? :-)
Nothing was random with TD, although the improvisations
may sound like...it was more the results of 3 people jamming
together and getting lots of ideas.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:18 PM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Random
>
>
> Didn't Synergy do an album of music played by a computer
> program? I was thinking 'Computer Experiments Volume 1' was
> created by an algorithm that randomly changed chords, voices,
> and so forth within a certain structure.
>
> Either way, I really like that album, very ambient compared
> to most Synergy albums.
>
> Of course, if you want true random 'music', get the set of
> Voyager recordings that NASA released. If you haven't heard
> of these, they are recording of EM radiation in space at
> various places (at the bow shock of Jupiter's Magnetosphere,
> for instance). The sounds are quite spectacular, and well
> worth adding to your collection (for the novelty if nothing
> else). I find them great to relax and/or sleep to (fairly
> ambient by nature).
>
> James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > You could use a computer to trigger the random events.
> >
> > Many ways to do such, write a program in VB that sends out
> > random midi to
> > your sequencer, triggers, and so forth. Base it on random
> > flux of quanta
> > derived or attached a antenna and let nature determine the
> > random event via
> > lighting strikes or other emi in the area. I am sure the
> > background flux of
> > the microwave radiation would serve nicely here too.
> >
> > dale
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
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From:
'heineu '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:04
am
Subject: re-release of Le Parc 2003
hello all,
re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on
the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de
and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke)
I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary
Records
Cheers
Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re-release of Le Parc 2003
hi,
is this a plain re-release, or a re-recording like the Melrose Years, or
possibliy something with a bonus track... ?
armin
'heineu ' wrote:
> hello all,
>
> re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on
> the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de
>
> and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke)
>
> I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary
> Records
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
'braddito '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:25
am
Subject: Re: Looking for Suggestions...
Brad, if I had to select one Schulze disc, I'd go for the 'Live' set,
especially the new one where part 2 is restored to it's full length.
Perhaps 'X' and 'Body Love 2' to follow.
Don't forget Michael Hoenig's 'Departure From The Northern
Wasteland' - an em classic imo.
Cheers
Toby
>
> So what other suggestions does the group have for me? Would prefer
> works that are in print.
>
> Thanks!
> B
From:
'Duncan McKee '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:26
am
Subject: Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003
hi all
Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also
due is Green desert on the same date.
Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another.
they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a
bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-)
Duncan
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'heineu '
wrote:
> hello all,
>
> re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced
on
> the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de
>
> and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke)
>
> I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label:
Sanctuary
> Records
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Yeahhh Me !!!!,
finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
to get rid of these ongoing problems.
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Administrator :
> welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
>
> just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> > it just keeps bouncing.
> > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > bouncing.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003
>hi all
>Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also
>due is Green desert on the same date.
>Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another.
>
>they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a
>bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-)
We could hope Underwater Sunlight will have Dolphin Smile on it... that's
the only Blue Years bonus track I can think of.
John Vertical
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003
Re-releases with bonus tracks would drive me crazy as I *do not* want
to buy all these CDs again, but of course would be interested in bonus
tracks if I don't have them already.
Le Parc could have that Brighton thing from Antique Dreams.
armin
John Vertical wrote:
> >hi all
> >Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also
> >due is Green desert on the same date.
> >Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another.
> >
> >they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a
> >bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-)
>
> We could hope Underwater Sunlight will have Dolphin Smile on it... that's
> the only Blue Years bonus track I can think of.
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
I noticed this problem for the first and hopefully only time when I
came back home from my August holidays. Didn't get my mail
from tadream and had to read on the web instead. I replied to their
feedback form, and after a few days all was settled. Forgot any
details.
armin
tony.vandergaag@p... wrote:
> Yeahhh Me !!!!,
>
> finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
> facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
> more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
>
> i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> to get rid of these ongoing problems.
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Administrator :
>
> > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> >
> > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > bouncing.
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:15
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
I tried the feedback form as well, so which they replied with instructions
on resetting my bounces... too bad I wasn't bouncing! lol
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
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-----Original Message-----
From: ath@d...
[mailto:ath@d...]On Behalf Of Armin Theissen
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:13 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
I noticed this problem for the first and hopefully only time when I
came back home from my August holidays. Didn't get my mail
from tadream and had to read on the web instead. I replied to their
feedback form, and after a few days all was settled. Forgot any
details.
armin
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:45
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol
As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account
wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail.
Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my
groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again.
Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/
The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed.
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: tony.vandergaag@p...
[mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Yeahhh Me !!!!,
finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
to get rid of these ongoing problems.
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Administrator :
> welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
>
> just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> > it just keeps bouncing.
> > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > bouncing.
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:51
am
Subject: Re: Random
There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is
vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly
goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they
are just played in random order).
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote:
> Random music/sounds?
> Is that really interesting? :-)
> Nothing was random with TD, although the improvisations
> may sound like...it was more the results of 3 people jamming
> together and getting lots of ideas.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
> >
> >
From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:07
pm
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
This PC is at work, so I read the messages on-line (to avoid filling
up my mail box) and have never had a problem.
I am getting broad band at home soon, so I was planning to have mail
delivered there instead. Now I'm having second thoughts... how wide-
spread is the problem, and what causes it?
BTF
PS. forgive my ignorance, but what does lol mean?!
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol
> As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email
account
> wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail.
> Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined
all my
> groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started
again.
> Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/
> The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony.vandergaag@p...
> [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> Yeahhh Me !!!!,
>
> finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
> facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
> more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
>
> i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> to get rid of these ongoing problems.
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Administrator :
>
> > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> >
> > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days
late
> > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week,
but
> > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my
ISP,
> > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at
least
> > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > bouncing.
>
>
>
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>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random
In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mudspanker@y... writes:
> There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is
> vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly
> goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they
> are just played in random order).
*I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of Madrigal
Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping octaves which is not
the same thing as random composition.
Poly
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:15
pm
Subject: Re: Random
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mudspanker@y... writes:
>
> > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my
copy is
> > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence
suddenly
> > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord -
they
> > are just played in random order).
>
> *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of
Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping
octaves which is not the same thing as random composition.
> Poly
Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves,
but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several
identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are
jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are
changing.
BTF
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:18
pm
Subject: [tadream] Mannheim Part 1
Just last night I was listening Mannheim and in the
first part, in about 15:50, the sequence suddenly
starts to go nuts. A slow fade out happens and another
sequences replaces it.
Regards,
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From:
'nike_italy2002 '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003
Hi all
here are the official release date
Le Parc / Green Desert 13 january 2003
Poland / Underwater sunlight 17 March 2003
Regards
Nicola Cont
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Duncan McKee '
wrote:
> hi all
> Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also
> due is Green desert on the same date.
> Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another.
>
> they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have
a
> bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-)
>
>
> Duncan
>
From:
'Marcel Engels '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:06
pm
Subject: Re: Random
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'billythefish01 '
wrote:
>
> Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping
octaves,
> but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several
> identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are
> jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are
> changing.
It sounds like they are random but they're not.
At least not in my perception. The notes follow the same
structure and are 'on-key'.
I remember the intro of a Kraftwerk concert being
random notes.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:16
pm
Subject: Re: TD references in unexpected places
> From: peter.stoeferle@t...
>
> > From: Jens Kilian
> > Subject: TD references in unexpected places
> >
> > In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses
> 'Tangerine Dream'
> > as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference,
> the
> > planet
> > doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan...
>
> What's the year of the first issue of the novel? (just to clear who is
> a fanof whom... perhaps...)
It's a recent (2001) novel - no chance of an explanation for the band name,
I'm afraid ;-)
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:14
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
lol = Laughing Out Loud
I would kill for broadband! Lucky you! Well, not kill, but I keep wishing I
could have it!
It's Yahoo thing... but what do you expect for free? It works fine for
months, then goes haywire, then goes nuts again.... *sigh*
As for filling up your mailbox, how big a storage limit do you have? I have
10 megs, and am subscribed to several very busy lists- I get about 400 laims
per day, and it has yet to be filled, unless I asked someone to send me a 3
or 4 meg attachment.
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-----Original Message-----
From: billythefish01
[mailto:mudspanker@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:07 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
This PC is at work, so I read the messages on-line (to avoid filling
up my mail box) and have never had a problem.
I am getting broad band at home soon, so I was planning to have mail
delivered there instead. Now I'm having second thoughts... how wide-
spread is the problem, and what causes it?
BTF
PS. forgive my ignorance, but what does lol mean?!
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> As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email
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> Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined
all my
> groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started
again.
> Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/
> The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed.
>
> Debra Wilson
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony.vandergaag@p...
> [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> Yeahhh Me !!!!,
>
> finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
> facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
> more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
>
> i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> to get rid of these ongoing problems.
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Administrator :
>
> > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> >
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> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days
late
> > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week,
but
> > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my
ISP,
> > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at
least
> > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > bouncing.
>
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Hi all,
so.... what's changed with Y since august ?, as i also faced this problems
when returning from my holidays......
yahoo don't want you to go on a holiday or what ???? ;-)
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Debra Wilson :
> Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol
> As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account
> wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail.
> Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my
> groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again.
> Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/
> The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony.vandergaag@p...
> [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> Yeahhh Me !!!!,
>
> finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
> facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
> more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
>
> i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> to get rid of these ongoing problems.
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Administrator :
>
> > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> >
> > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > bouncing.
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:31
pm
Subject: le/la parc
>is this a plain re-release, or a re-recording like the Melrose Years, or
>possibliy something with a bonus track... ?
well it could be the cut-up version (a la wsb's naked lunch) complete with
clicking/CD slipping noises of 'ruling the waves' or something else from the
i-box available as a download later. ;)
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Who knows... *sigh* I won't complain so long as it works, but sometimes the
urge to scream is strong! lol
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: tony.vandergaag@p...
[mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:40 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Hi all,
so.... what's changed with Y since august ?, as i also faced this problems
when returning from my holidays......
yahoo don't want you to go on a holiday or what ???? ;-)
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Debra Wilson :
> Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol
> As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account
> wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail.
> Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my
> groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again.
> Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/
> The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony.vandergaag@p...
> [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> Yeahhh Me !!!!,
>
> finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
> facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
> more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
>
> i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> to get rid of these ongoing problems.
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Administrator :
>
> > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> >
> > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > bouncing.
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mannheim Part 1
>Just last night I was listening Mannheim and in the
>first part, in about 15:50, the sequence suddenly
>starts to go nuts. A slow fade out happens and another
>sequences replaces it.
>
>Regards,
>Marko Marin
Yesss, this is a much better example of a randomizing sequence than Madrigal
Meridian... and about the best part of Mannheim concert IMHO. A third such
phenomenon happens in RAH '75 (TT vol.9) encore, near the end; the mid-freq.
sequence (/melody line?) starts to 'wobble', changing smoothly its tune,
frequency, and voice...
Also Quitzotte pt 1 has a nice effect in the end, when something bursts in
to white noise, dissolving the structure.
John Vertical
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Thanks! I thought lol looked a little like Edvard Munch's The Scream,
so I had to ask!
I have 90Mb limit, but get loads of image files so it fills up
frequently.
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> lol = Laughing Out Loud
>
> I would kill for broadband! Lucky you! Well, not kill, but I keep
wishing I
> could have it!
> It's Yahoo thing... but what do you expect for free? It works fine
for
> months, then goes haywire, then goes nuts again.... *sigh*
> As for filling up your mailbox, how big a storage limit do you
have? I have
> 10 megs, and am subscribed to several very busy lists- I get about
400 laims
> per day, and it has yet to be filled, unless I asked someone to
send me a 3
> or 4 meg attachment.
>
> Debra Wilson
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billythefish01
> [mailto:mudspanker@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:07 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
>
>
> This PC is at work, so I read the messages on-line (to avoid filling
> up my mail box) and have never had a problem.
>
> I am getting broad band at home soon, so I was planning to have mail
> delivered there instead. Now I'm having second thoughts... how wide-
> spread is the problem, and what causes it?
>
> BTF
>
>
> PS. forgive my ignorance, but what does lol mean?!
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
> wrote:
> > Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol
> > As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email
> account
> > wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail.
> > Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined
> all my
> > groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started
> again.
> > Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/
> > The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed.
> >
> > Debra Wilson
> > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tony.vandergaag@p...
> > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > Yeahhh Me !!!!,
> >
> > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've
been
> > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it
takes
> > more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
> >
> > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> > to get rid of these ongoing problems.
> >
> > tony/rotterdam
> >
> > Citeren Administrator :
> >
> > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> > >
> > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the
same...
> > >
> > > dale
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4
days
> late
> > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and
gotten
> > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this
week,
> but
> > > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with
my
> ISP,
> > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at
> least
> > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > > bouncing.
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random
yes, thats in Madrigal Meridian. Cool. But how do you really know its
random?
armin
'billythefish01 ' wrote:
> There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is
> vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly
> goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they
> are just played in random order).
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote:
> > Random music/sounds?
> > Is that really interesting? :-)
> > Nothing was random with TD, although the improvisations
> > may sound like...it was more the results of 3 people jamming
> > together and getting lots of ideas.
> >
> > Marcel
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> > mengels@w...
>
> > >
> > >
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random
In a message dated 12/18/2002 7:47:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Armin.Theissen@s... writes:
> yes, thats in Madrigal Meridian. Cool. But how do you really know its
> random?
>
> armin
>
*It's not.... Marcel and I have been trying to get that across. I'm not sure
about the exact technology they used on that but from experience I'm sure
they are toggling between octaves to make the pattern seem to explode across
the spectrum.... BUT regardless of the technology compositionally speaking it
is NOT random.
Poly
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:19
pm
Subject: Re: Random
I am not _sure_ that it is random in the truest sense of the word,
but I too would be very interested to know how it was done... i.e.
was it a pre-programmed sequence?
I still reckon that (apart from the fact that they all belong to a
preset chord) the notes do not follow a regular pattern. The correct
term should probably be 'Controlled Randomization' which Steve
Whitely used earlier.
It is a passage that has particularly fascinated me since I first
heard it, but I realise that the mind can pay tricks with the passage
of time. I will listen to MM as soon as I get home.
I will also listen to Mannheim - I had forgotten about that passage.
Here's to 5.30!
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/18/2002 7:47:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> Armin.Theissen@s... writes:
>
> > yes, thats in Madrigal Meridian. Cool. But how do you really know
its
> > random?
> >
> > armin
> >
>
> *It's not.... Marcel and I have been trying to get that across. I'm
not sure
> about the exact technology they used on that but from experience
I'm sure
> they are toggling between octaves to make the pattern seem to
explode across
> the spectrum.... BUT regardless of the technology compositionally
speaking it
> is NOT random.
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re-release of Le Parc 2003
Anything done to it?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:04 PM
Subject: [tadream] re-release of Le Parc 2003
> hello all,
>
> re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on
> the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de
>
> and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke)
>
> I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary
> Records
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
isn't it odd that one had to open a account with a different provider just
to please Yahoo...
and now Yahoo is a provider too...
Sorry but I run a ISP (provider business on the side). I have had a few tell
me the same thing only to find out that it isn't the provider... it's
Yahoo...
Good Luck with Yahoo....
I could send you a little program that monitors your servers like mail and
web so you can have a log to compare when Yahoo bounces your mail just to
see if your mail server was down when Yahoo reported it. So far I have not
been able to actually line this up yet... Perhaps a stronger course in
Astrology might help me...
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> Yeahhh Me !!!!,
>
> finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been
> facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in
> 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes
> more than a week to get back 'on-line'.
>
> i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well
> to get rid of these ongoing problems.
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Administrator :
>
> > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world
> >
> > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same...
> >
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
> >
> >
> > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late
> > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten
> > > every single one back because I'm bouncing.
> > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but
> > > it just keeps bouncing.
> > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP,
> > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least
> > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really
> > > bouncing.
>
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random
In a message dated 12/18/2002 8:22:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mudspanker@y... writes:
> I am not _sure_ that it is random in the truest sense of the word,
> but I too would be very interested to know how it was done... i.e.
> was it a pre-programmed sequence?
* I seem to remember an interview w/Franke where he mentioned a step-time
sequencer with a great advancement in note storage...maybe that, or a sync'ed
Arppegiator... the thing with Arpeggiators is that you can make it sound like
your fingers are flying all over the keyboard when you're really playing
relatively simple lines.
Peace
Poly
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:51
pm
Subject: Classic Tree
For a bit of fun I'm playing some of the Classic Tree CD's at work blind, not
knowing which is which.
So far I think I've heard Rheims 74. Quality very good. Surprised I like
this since I'm a fan of Cyclone / live 78 stuff.
Then a concert with German introduction which seems to have stuff from
Underwater Sunlight on. Brilliant stuff and then CD1 ends. Hope to find out
what's on part 2 of that tomorrow.
When I've played them all then I'll have a look at what concerts they are.
David
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:56
pm
Subject: brain halves
The ladies at work ask to borrow my TD CD's just as much as the men do.
David
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:11
pm
Subject: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Hi all
I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord
Of The Rings.
Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is
IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in
for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for
those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see
this movie.
Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does
not ruin the movie.........
I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
Regards
Jan
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Mannheim Part 1
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
>
> Yesss, this is a much better example of a randomizing
> sequence than Madrigal
> Meridian... and about the best part of Mannheim concert IMHO.
> A third such
> phenomenon happens in RAH '75 (TT vol.9) encore, near the
> end; the mid-freq.
> sequence (/melody line?) starts to 'wobble', changing
> smoothly its tune,
> frequency, and voice...
> Also Quitzotte pt 1 has a nice effect in the end, when
> something bursts in
> to white noise, dissolving the structure.
If you're looking for a sequence that does weird things
you must listen to 3 Tier Dream, 1st disc.
That sequence is definitely not in sync and keeps
jumping out of sync...now there's your random sequence.
Definitely not Madrigal Meridian.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
good
I bought tickets online to make sure I could see it tonight when I get off
work.
How was the sound track?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:11 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> Hi all
>
> I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece
Lord
> Of The Rings.
>
> Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is
> IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in
> for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for
> those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
> worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see
> this movie.
>
> Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does
> not ruin the movie.........
>
> I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Did not notice the soundtrack very much...........sorry......but I noticed
some celtic singing which sounded very nice............but no doubt the
score added to the atmosphere, both in intensity and softness.............
I simply was too occupied with all the other things in the
movie..............
Hope you enjoy the movie.............=O)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> good
>
> I bought tickets online to make sure I could see it tonight when I get off
> work.
> How was the sound track?
>
> dale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'PERGAMON'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:11 PM
> Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece
> Lord
> > Of The Rings.
> >
> > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part
is
> > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are
in
> > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for
> > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
> > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go
see
> > this movie.
> >
> > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is
does
> > not ruin the movie.........
> >
> > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
>
>
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish style in
it......
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Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Hi Pergamon,
are you crazy??! you almost spoilt the movie for me! =;-)
thankfully i didn't read much... whew!
-GJ
who has been counting down to Two Towers since January 5th,2002.
>Hi all
> I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord
>Of The Rings-
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'fairway_ch '
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:54
pm
Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote:
> Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish
style in
> it......
Enya.
Cheers
René
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
No it is not Enya this time.........
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote:
> Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish
style in
> it......
Enya.
Cheers
René
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Hehe......I would not dream of spoiling it for anyone..............
OK.....it was the butler which did it......=O)
jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> Hi Pergamon,
> are you crazy??! you almost spoilt the movie for me! =;-)
>
> thankfully i didn't read much... whew!
> -GJ
> who has been counting down to Two Towers since January 5th,2002.
>
>
> >Hi all
> > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece
Lord
> >Of The Rings-
>
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@s...
>
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: Two Tower Divas
Isabel Bayrakdarian (Evenstar)
Sheila Chandra
Elisabeth Fraser (Isengard Unleashed)
Emiliana Torrini (Gollum's song)
Not Celtic fiddle; rather: hardinger (Norwegian folk fiddle).
<<
Subject: Re: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
No it is not Enya this time.........
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote:
> Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish
style in
> it......
Enya.
Cheers
René>>>
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:46
pm
Subject: Re: Arpeggiators
<>
You barely have to play at all, just hold down a
couple notes or a chord and let the arpeggiator
do all the hard work. :-)
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Two Tower Divas
OK...thanks...............=O)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:24 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Two Tower Divas
> Isabel Bayrakdarian (Evenstar)
> Sheila Chandra
> Elisabeth Fraser (Isengard Unleashed)
> Emiliana Torrini (Gollum's song)
>
> Not Celtic fiddle; rather: hardinger (Norwegian folk fiddle).
>
> << Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:01:11 +0100
> From: 'PERGAMON'
> Subject: Re: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
> No it is not Enya this time.........
>
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote:
> > Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish
> style in
> > it......
>
> Enya.
>
> Cheers
> René>>>
>
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:07
am
Subject: Classic Tree Strange Attractions skips?
Hello folks,
I noticed a small skip at 19.57 in track #1 (mojave plan) on Strange
Attractions. Does it sound like a copy problem or does the master have
the same problem?
Cheers
René
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Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:18
am
Subject: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
Howard Shore and ingenue Emiliana Torrini (according to bn.com)
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Arpeggiators
In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:50:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kohntarkosz@y... writes:
> You barely have to play at all, just hold down a
> couple notes or a chord and let the arpeggiator
> do all the hard work. :-)
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
*In the case of Madrigal Meridian though it doesn't have a static pattern as
if they had just hit a chord and let it play.. that's what leads me to
believe it's a case where they
(Well 'he', whoever it was!) were playing along with the music giving it the
effect of those wild jumps.
Poly
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Strange Attractions skips?
From: 'René Brenner'
> I noticed a small skip at 19.57 in track #1 (mojave plan) on Strange
> Attractions. Does it sound like a copy problem or does the master have
> the same problem?
This is from the master.
Maff
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Guess I should answer this one since I'm a female. That fact went
un-noticed and untold for an entire year when I first joined the uwp list
because I noted the over abundance of males and was afraid I would not be
accepted if they knew otherwise.
My attraction to strange, long musical passages like The Doors' 'Light My
Fire' long version and Grand Funk Railroad's 'Paranoia' caught the attention
of a DJ friend of mine. He handed me an album and watched me go into a
trance from the first few notes. That album was 'Ricochet' still a favorite
of mine.
It had nothing to do with romance, although I was in love at the time.
However, I have noticed that the movie, 'Legend' has done more to entice the
ladies to TD than any other medium. I think the romantic theory does hold up
there plus the opening composition is just so beautiful.
I don't fit the mold as far as the beginning, middle, end theory. Nothing is
more boring to me than the typical pop tune which mostly does just that.
'Ricochet' definitely doesn't do that. My favorites of all TD are Live
Miles, Tangram, and Thief in that order. No beginning, middle, end there
either and very little romance. I absolutely do not like Love on a Real
Train. And I don't care much for the unstructured earliest compositions like
Zeit or Atem. I've grown to like Rubycon a lot so there's hope for your
lady, Jon, lol!
I do believe that guys are attracted more to this music because of the
tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines must make some of you
absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the technicality of it all is
what drives most ladies away, forgetting that they don't have to understand
how it's made, just understand how it makes you feel. I can feel many things
with TD music. I still haven't a clue what a Moog is.
Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. I doubt this helps anybody.
8-Dell
All IMO of course
NP: oops, nothing! where is my mind today?
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: Jonathan Holt
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:22:07 -0500 (EST)
>
>Thanks to all those who have answered my curiosity...
>It just seemed that of the little pocket of society
>that had heard and enjoyed TD (that I'm aware of),
>there were so few females. Most other types of music
>seem to have a pretty good split between male and
>female fans.
>
>Maybe some day my better half will love Rubycon like I
>do!
>
>jonnyboy.
>
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'Adele Outland'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
I don't think any hard and fast rules can be made for life in general; there
will always be too many exceptions.
I'm not good at math or logic or computing (god and Morgan know), but I do
drink beer and I get along better with male company because I can't stand to
talk about make up, babies, and clothes. I would much rather save my money
up for a new TD album than buy a new pair of shoes.
Umm...what the heck has the left brain got to do with it? Not familiar with
that terminology.
All IMO of course.
NP: Montreal '77; my mind has finally come back to reality
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: Marion Horrod
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:21 +0000
>
>Andy, that was a very interesting post on 'Sex and the brain'
>
>Now I'm _extremely_ left brain according to some test or other I took a
>while ago. Maybe that explains why I'm an 'honorary guy' (good at maths and
>logic problems, work in computing, drink beer, have mostly male friends and
>am not interested in make-up, clothes or babies). And why I like TD.
>
>Or maybe not. I dunno.
>
>LnH
>
>Marion
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Geeks and Hippies
Whoa! Hippies were not geeks! Geeks are meek, mild, and extremely smart. If
they get revenge, it is through some sort of technology. Hippies were
loving, kind, and forgiving. If they got revenge it was through their
passivity. Let's not confuse the two. 8-Dell
All IMO of course.
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>Who says TD are geeks? EF was a scupltor who rubbed shoulders with
>Salvador Dali! His music made the headlines before the term 'geek'
>was invented (they were called hippies then ;-)). Computers were
>houses that cost as much as a country!
>
>
>BTF
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
I bought the previous score because some reviews
stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a
choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold
it.
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
In a message dated 12/18/2002 10:30:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rubyconist@y... writes:
> I bought the previous score because some reviews
> stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a
> choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold
> it.
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
*Hmmmm choir-addict? Have you heard of Arvo Part? He's a recent Estonian
composer who writes in the style of gregorian chant. He does some symphonic
stuff too, but there's one work in particular 'Kanon Pojakanen' That is the
single most beautiful choral work I've ever heard. No instruments, just a
cappella... 2CD's on ECM label a little spendy $35 I think, but everyone I've
turned it on to has been blown away by it... Highly recommended.
Poly
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From:
'Marcel Engels '
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:30
am
Subject: Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marko Marin wrote:
> I bought the previous score because some reviews
> stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a
> choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold
> it.
While in movie it worked very well (although the main theme
comes back too much imo) I also heard the score a few times
and for me it didn't worked that well.
I especially liked the choirs when Gandalf fell into that
black hole and the fellowship walked out of the complex,
that gave and still gives me goosebumps.
I wonder when/if TD will score for a movie.
I would love to do that, but probably never will/can. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:41
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Haha! I never thought about it that way!
Just noticing my OE has put a lot of today's mail in the recycle bin.. gotta
check that out, as I answer this from the trash can!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: billythefish01
[mailto:mudspanker@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:06 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y?
Thanks! I thought lol looked a little like Edvard Munch's The Scream,
so I had to ask!
I have 90Mb limit, but get loads of image files so it fills up
frequently.
BTF
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wrote:
> lol = Laughing Out Loud
>
> I would kill for broadband! Lucky you! Well, not kill, but I keep
wishing I
> could have it!
> It's Yahoo thing... but what do you expect for free? It works fine
for
> months, then goes haywire, then goes nuts again.... *sigh*
> As for filling up your mailbox, how big a storage limit do you
have? I have
> 10 megs, and am subscribed to several very busy lists- I get about
400 laims
> per day, and it has yet to be filled, unless I asked someone to
send me a 3
> or 4 meg attachment.
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:37
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my
computer?
Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that will
hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-(
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Hi all
I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord
Of The Rings.
Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is
IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in
for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for
those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see
this movie.
Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does
not ruin the movie.........
I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
Regards
Jan
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
> > I bought the previous score because some reviews
> > stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a
> > choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold
> > it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marko Marin
> >
>
>*Hmmmm choir-addict? Have you heard of Arvo Part? He's a recent Estonian
>composer who writes in the style of gregorian chant. He does some symphonic
>stuff too, but there's one work in particular 'Kanon Pojakanen' That is the
>single most beautiful choral work I've ever heard. No instruments, just a
>cappella... 2CD's on ECM label a little spendy $35 I think, but everyone
>I've
>turned it on to has been blown away by it... Highly recommended.
>Poly
I've heard 'Alina' which was extremely minimalistic... but good. Not the
kind of music which you really listen anxiously, but good
a) when tired
b) on background
Oh, and he's actually Pärt as AFAIK.
But while we're at it...
What are your favourite TD choral bits? Here's mine:
-TT vol.9 pt 1 (definite!)
-Underwater Twilight
-the very end of Ricochet pt 2 (only in relation to the rest of the piece,
though)
-Elf June and the Midnight Patrol
-Marakesh (believe it or not)
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:08
am
Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
I just like it for the scenery - New Zealand is such a beautiful
place. It bored me rigid otherwise. Just always knowing there's
another monster / army around the next corner.
Give me Harry Potter any day ;-)
BTF
PS - ... or Legend
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my
> computer?
> Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee
that will
> hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-(
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's
masterpiece Lord
> Of The Rings.
>
> Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this
part is
> IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you
are in
> for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and
for
> those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
> worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just
go see
> this movie.
>
> Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO
is does
> not ruin the movie.........
>
> I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels '
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:48
am
Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my
> computer?
> Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee
that will
> hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-(
>
> Debra Wilson
What made it so boring for you?
I've been reading the books again and they are definitely
more interesting then the movie imo, much more going on
and much more time to explain and develop things.
But you can't 'bore' people with a 24 hour movie, although
I wouldn't mind.
If this movie bores you then yes I think almost all
movies will bore you. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
Now, this could be an interesting thread.
If TD were to score for a movie (or a TV series if you wish), what kind of film
would you like it to be?
(Well, of course, the question implies that it would be a good movie that TD
would care about scoring and not just do it for the money just like they
sometimes did)
As for myself, I think they could be good in scoring independant movies, maybe
more intimist than spectacular. Or may be (speaking of the lord of the rings)
some kind of paranormal/psychological thriller like the japanese movies of the
'Ring' series.
Thomas.
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>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: 'Marcel Engels '
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:30:19 -0000
>Sujet: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
>
>--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marko Marin wrote:
>> I bought the previous score because some reviews
>> stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a
>> choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold
>> it.
>
>While in movie it worked very well (although the main theme
>comes back too much imo) I also heard the score a few times
>and for me it didn't worked that well.
>I especially liked the choirs when Gandalf fell into that
>black hole and the fellowship walked out of the complex,
>that gave and still gives me goosebumps.
>I wonder when/if TD will score for a movie.
>I would love to do that, but probably never will/can. :-)
>
>Marcel
>http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
>mengels@w...
>
>
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:50
am
Subject: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star
Trek movie.......................
Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be
something to look forward too.............
Jan
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
At 12:50 19.12.02, you wrote:
>As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star
>Trek movie.......................
>
>Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be
>something to look forward too.............
>
>Jan
I disagree...
Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars!
Martin (an admitting 'Lucas Evangelist')
A Merry Merry X-Mas to you all. I will be playing the Winter Solstice
Festival in Darmstadt with my band on Saturday and will thus not be able to
post any more messages before X-Mas.
Have a great & enjoyable time.
Peace,
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:13
am
Subject: Underwater Sunlight 2003: potentially the best ever TD album/bonus tracks
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:07:01 -0000
From: 'nike_italy2002 '
Subject: Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003
Hi all
here are the official release date
Le Parc / Green Desert 13 january 2003
Poland / Underwater sunlight 17 March 2003
Regards
Nicola Cont
With all the speculation as to whether Sanctuary are planning to add bonus
tracks, here's a thought:
If they decided to add Dolphin Smile (Which I think could be likely) and maybe
Valley of the Sun/Vanishing Blue which were recorded in that same period, then
Underwater Sunlight 2003 could then be the best ever TD release!
Other potential bonus tracks on the others:
Le Parc: As mentioned, 'Southend Mall', originally planned for Le Parc, plus
the single recording of 'Street Hawk'
Green Desert: 'Oedipus Tyrannus'? Mind you, this is '74, and not recorded
during the same sessions.
Poland: Single versions of 'Warsaw in the Sun'
Underwater Sunlight: As mentioned
Tyger: 'Vigour' for sure. Perhaps the one bonus that wouldn't be appreciated.
Definately not the Relativity remix of the title track (please!) but what about
adding the original single mix?
Livemiles: 'Cool Breeze of Brighton' (only because the Antique Dreams set has
it listed as recorded in 1986).
Any other suggestions for potential bonus tracks?
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
> At 12:50 19.12.02, you wrote:
> >As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star
> >Trek movie.......................
> >
> >Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be
> >something to look forward too.............
> >
> >Jan
>
> I disagree...
>
> Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars!
Star Wars music is now a legend and can't be disassociated to John Williams.
Anyway don't forget that the star wars documentary 'From Star Wars to Star
Wars' soundtrack is composed by ex TD Christopher Franke.
Some extracts are available from the Sonicimages Website.
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
> I disagree...
>
> Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars!
Do you not think it could be cool to listen to the Star Wars theme with a
thumping sequencer in the back and...........oooopppsss.....wrong
era.........with a beautifull Korg-sound and some breakbeats thumping
away........=O)
(no flame intended)
Jan
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
At 13:12 19.12.02, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
> > I disagree...
> >
> > Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars!
>
>Do you not think it could be cool to listen to the Star Wars theme with a
>thumping sequencer in the back and...........oooopppsss.....wrong
>era.........with a beautifull Korg-sound and some breakbeats thumping
>away........=O)
>
>(no flame intended)
>
>Jan
>
Hi Jan,
do you know the game Force Commander for the PC? It has a nice
Rammsteinesque Metal-Version of the Imperial March... ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater Sunlight 2003: potentially the best ever TD album/bonus tracks
From: 'Roger Hartopp'
> With all the speculation as to whether Sanctuary are planning to add bonus
tracks, here's a thought:
[snip]
It's a nice idea, but I think the idea of more bonus tracks turning up is
unlikely. Ultima Thule had just been released on Antique Dreams, and it was easy
and appropriate to include on EM. Had TD not cancelled Twilight Folder (the
planned sequel to Antique Dreams) which probably would have included Dolphin
Smile, then that might have been added to Underwater Sunlight.
As for the other suggestions, Oedipus Tyrannus was prevented from an official
release 20 years ago, apparently for legal reasons which most likely still
stand. I don't think Southend Mall, Valley of the Sun or Vanishing Blue are
appropraite - even if they were composed around the time of Le Parc or
Underwater Sunlight, they have almost certainly been subsequentally fiddled
with by Edgar.
Would be nice to have Cool Breeze of Brighton on Livemiles though. The album
deserves some actual live material on it :-)
Maff
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
Yes, I know that tune. I am a SW-fanatic and must have played Force
Commander a million times. I love John Williams music for the Star Wars. I
just think it could be cool to hear a TD-score for a Star Wars movie.
Imagine the dark atmosphere in a SW-movie combined with dark, horrorsounds
of TD and in the intense space-battle-scenes, fast
sequencers..................sorry, but that could just be sooooooooo
cool.................allthough I have too admit that TD would have a hard
time topping the soundFX of the seimic charges from Jango Fett's Slave
1.................=O)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
> At 13:12 19.12.02, you wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
> > > I disagree...
> > >
> > > Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars!
> >
> >Do you not think it could be cool to listen to the Star Wars theme with a
> >thumping sequencer in the back and...........oooopppsss.....wrong
> >era.........with a beautifull Korg-sound and some breakbeats thumping
> >away........=O)
> >
> >(no flame intended)
> >
> >Jan
> >
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> do you know the game Force Commander for the PC? It has a nice
> Rammsteinesque Metal-Version of the Imperial March... ;-)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:29
pm
Subject: Fireball
An advert for the upcoming TD concert in London appears in this
month's _Classic Rock_. The concert is billed as 'Fireball' and the
ad sez something like 'The world's leading synth band plays music
from the last 30 years'. It also has a picture of, uh, a ball. On
fire.
Glynn
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
I almost made it thru Harry Potter- firgure it will take me 5 tries to
actually see the whole thing, which is pretty good for me..lol.
LOTR will take 8 or 9 I think, but I'm going into town tomorrow (today) er,
in the morning, so I'll swing by the library while I'm there.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: billythefish01
[mailto:mudspanker@y...]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:08 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
I just like it for the scenery - New Zealand is such a beautiful
place. It bored me rigid otherwise. Just always knowing there's
another monster / army around the next corner.
Give me Harry Potter any day ;-)
BTF
PS - ... or Legend
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my
> computer?
> Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee
that will
> hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-(
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's
masterpiece Lord
> Of The Rings.
>
> Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this
part is
> IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you
are in
> for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and
for
> those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
> worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just
go see
> this movie.
>
> Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO
is does
> not ruin the movie.........
>
> I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1617
To all tadream group members, Happy Christmas, and for those who can reach
London next year, a
small Christmas gift.
I'm pleased to announce details of a regular series of concerts throughout
2003 based on the
'Music for the 3rd Millennium' compilation CD's, which have featured Paul
Haslinger and
Johannes Schmoelling ex-of TD, and many other stars of Ashra and other
synthesizer bands.
Like the CD's, the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' concert series will cover
krautrock,
synthesizer, ambient, progressive rock and experimental electronic music
styles, and will
feature well known names from around the world as well as some exciting new
artists.
The shows are in a spectacular church venue very near Baker Street
underground station in
central London, so they're very easy to reach and will take place on the last
Saturday of
every month, starting February and excluding December. So even if you don't
know the details
of each concert in advance, you can come along on that day and be sure of a
wonderful
evening of innovative music.
And the Christmas gift is that all tadream group members can have a free
ticket to the first
event on Saturday February 22nd - just send an e-mail with your details and
we'll mail you a
ticket nearer the time.
Here are the concert dates, with the artists already familiar from the 'Music
for the 3rd
Millennium' CD series asterisked;
Saturday 22nd February
AKEMI KUNIYOSHI (Japan)
Solo grand piano - CD launch
ALQUIMIA (*) (Mexico)
A recent collaborator with Roedelius, and Steve Baltes of Ashra. Solo voice
and electronics.
CLOOPSEEND (Japan)
Electronics
Saturday 29th March
MODULUS (*) (UK)
Dark ambient electronics
PAUL HOOD (UK)
Turntables & electronics
XPER:XR (HK/UK)
Electronics
MATTIN (UK)
Electronics
Saturday 26th April
WHITE NOISE (*) (UK)
The creators of 'An Electric Storm'. Kaleidophon & electronics
Other artists to be confirmed
Saturday 31st May
HARALD GROSSKOPF (*) (Wallenstein/Ash Ra Tempel) + Steve Baltes (*) (Ash Ra)
(Germany)
'Digital Nomad' concert
MARK JENKINS (*) (UK)
'Sequencer Loops' concert
Saturday 28th June
'A RAINBOW IN CURVED AIR'
Composed by Terry Riley
World premiere performance on contemporary and modern instruments
Saturday 26th July
TBA
Saturday 30th August
TBA
Saturday 27th September
TBA
Saturday 25th October
TBA
Saturday 29th November
TBA
For more information on the concerts as it's announced, and a picture of the
venue, go to
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html
and for more information on the limited edition 'Music for the 3rd
Millennium' CD's which
also feature unreleased music from Michael Rother & Dieter Moebius, Johannes
Schmoelling,
Paul Haslinger, Robert Schroeder, Karl Bartos (Kraftwerk) and many others, go
to
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html
ends
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
yes, replying to my own post...
>Oh, and he's actually Pärt as AFAIK.
'As AFAIK'? Doh.
>But while we're at it...
>What are your favourite TD choral bits? Here's mine:
>-TT vol.9 pt 1 (definite!)
>-Underwater Twilight
>-the very end of Ricochet pt 2 (only in relation to the rest of the piece,
>though)
>-Elf June and the Midnight Patrol
>-Marakesh (believe it or not)
I forgot one... Silver Scale on Tangents. One of the rather few successful
TD overdubbings IMHO.
John Vertical
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
Thanks, Adele and every one else for a very
interesting debate.
BTW I would have thought that having 'Adele' in your
mail name would be a dead giveaway that you were a
girl/lady/woman!
Niki (my much better half) likes the melodic pieces of
TD. She can manage the whole of Song Of The Whale,
example. But it seems to have a 'structure'... I think
her loving Ricochet may be a long way off! At least
she tolerates my ever-expanding TD collection and I
love her for that as well as the million other
wonderful things about her!
Jonnyboy.
--- Adele Outland wrote: >
Guess I should answer this one since I'm a female.
> That fact went
> un-noticed and untold for an entire year when I
> first joined the uwp list
> because I noted the over abundance of males and was
> afraid I would not be
> accepted if they knew otherwise.
>
> My attraction to strange, long musical passages like
> The Doors' 'Light My
> Fire' long version and Grand Funk Railroad's
> 'Paranoia' caught the attention
> of a DJ friend of mine. He handed me an album and
> watched me go into a
> trance from the first few notes. That album was
> 'Ricochet' still a favorite
> of mine.
>
> It had nothing to do with romance, although I was in
> love at the time.
> However, I have noticed that the movie, 'Legend' has
> done more to entice the
> ladies to TD than any other medium. I think the
> romantic theory does hold up
> there plus the opening composition is just so
> beautiful.
>
> I don't fit the mold as far as the beginning,
> middle, end theory. Nothing is
> more boring to me than the typical pop tune which
> mostly does just that.
> 'Ricochet' definitely doesn't do that. My favorites
> of all TD are Live
> Miles, Tangram, and Thief in that order. No
> beginning, middle, end there
> either and very little romance. I absolutely do not
> like Love on a Real
> Train. And I don't care much for the unstructured
> earliest compositions like
> Zeit or Atem. I've grown to like Rubycon a lot so
> there's hope for your
> lady, Jon, lol!
>
> I do believe that guys are attracted more to this
> music because of the
> tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines
> must make some of you
> absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the
> technicality of it all is
> what drives most ladies away, forgetting that they
> don't have to understand
> how it's made, just understand how it makes you
> feel. I can feel many things
> with TD music. I still haven't a clue what a Moog
> is.
>
> Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. I doubt
> this helps anybody.
> 8-Dell
>
> All IMO of course
> NP: oops, nothing! where is my mind today?
>
>
>
>
>
> As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jonathan Holt
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls
> and the uncertain
> >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:22:07 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >Thanks to all those who have answered my
> curiosity...
> >It just seemed that of the little pocket of society
> >that had heard and enjoyed TD (that I'm aware of),
> >there were so few females. Most other types of
> music
> >seem to have a pretty good split between male and
> >female fans.
> >
> >Maybe some day my better half will love Rubycon
> like I
> >do!
> >
> >jonnyboy.
> >
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:51
pm
Subject: Re: the Score
Here's hoping that you get that opportunity! Now the way I see it... you have
to start somewhere. There must be plenty of up-and-coming directors out there
who would love to get a TD-esque soundtrack but couldn't afford TD themselves.
Maybe they could afford someone here - I suspect there are more than a few
candidates on this list who might possibly be up to the task.
FSP and Arcane, and even (may he rest in peace) Max Van R. would be great
candidates for fantastic film soundtrack contributions, IMO.
w
<<>>
From:
'Yanick Vigneault '
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
The son of one of my old colleague of work made 'Map Painting' for
this production (http://www.dusso.com/).
It would seem that LOTR II is higher than the first. I will see the
movie soon! It would be extraordinary if TD would take part in the
B.O of the next episodes! It would be fantastic!!!
Yanick Vigneault
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Le fils d'un de mes anciens collègue de travail a fait du Map
Painting pour ce film http://www.dusso.com/ . Je vais aller voir le
film bientôt! Il semblerait que LOTR II est supérieur au premier.
Ce serait extraordinaire si TD participerais à la B.O des prochains
épisodes! Ce serait fantastique!
Dream On!
Yanick Vigneault
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> I almost made it thru Harry Potter- firgure it will take me 5 tries
to
> actually see the whole thing, which is pretty good for me..lol.
> LOTR will take 8 or 9 I think, but I'm going into town tomorrow
(today) er,
> in the morning, so I'll swing by the library while I'm there.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billythefish01
> [mailto:mudspanker@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:08 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
>
> I just like it for the scenery - New Zealand is such a beautiful
> place. It bored me rigid otherwise. Just always knowing there's
> another monster / army around the next corner.
>
> Give me Harry Potter any day ;-)
>
> BTF
>
> PS - ... or Legend
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
> wrote:
> > Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to
my
> > computer?
> > Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee
> that will
> > hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-(
> >
> > Debra Wilson
> > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's
> masterpiece Lord
> > Of The Rings.
> >
> > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this
> part is
> > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said,
you
> are in
> > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor
and
> for
> > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need
to
> > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you,
just
> go see
> > this movie.
> >
> > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO
> is does
> > not ruin the movie.........
> >
> > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
> >
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:17
pm
Subject: Re: Choral bits
In a message dated 12/19/02 5:02:33 AM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>But while we're at it...
>What are your favourite TD choral bits?
Rubycon part 1, definitely.
--Daniel the Rubycon fiend
NP: Statemachine - Breakdown
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
I thought the sound track was crafted into the movie pretty darn good. I
agree with you, sometimes the main theme was a bit more heard but overall, I
have to say it was great.
The movie was done once again very well. I will have to wait for the DVD to
come out to really dig into it. I saw it on the first row. A bit neck
overwhelming as well as sonic'ed.
I don't want to spoil anything, so I will not comment on the actual scenes.
Just go and pay the money to see it.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marko Marin wrote:
> > I bought the previous score because some reviews
> > stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a
> > choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold
> > it.
>
> While in movie it worked very well (although the main theme
> comes back too much imo) I also heard the score a few times
> and for me it didn't worked that well.
> I especially liked the choirs when Gandalf fell into that
> black hole and the fellowship walked out of the complex,
> that gave and still gives me goosebumps.
> I wonder when/if TD will score for a movie.
> I would love to do that, but probably never will/can. :-)
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
yes the original books hold much more than the movie shows
to truly enjoy this tail, you will have to read them all.
to see something like this come to life makes one feel lucky to live this
long to see technology come this far.
makes one wish to live a bit more to see it go much further. but alas...
such is a mortal's demise.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my
> computer?
> Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that
will
> hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-(
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
> http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece
Lord
> Of The Rings.
>
> Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is
> IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in
> for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for
> those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to
> worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see
> this movie.
>
> Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does
> not ruin the movie.........
>
> I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
>
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> From: 'Adele Outland'
>Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>I do believe that guys are attracted more to this music because of the
>tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines must make some of you
>absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the technicality of it all is
>what drives most ladies away,
Yep, that's another possible theory. However, I didn't have a clue about the
instrumentation first time I heard Rubycon, way back when. It was the music,
in itself, that attracted me. If it had been about technicalities I would
have been out of here long time ago.
On the other hand, I must say that I remember enjoying to learn about their
reluctance to show themselves on stage. The thought that this dark,
beautiful, fantasy-inspiring music where played by musicians who were hiding
behind walls of equipment instead of flirting with the audience; Playing in
churches because it provided the right atmosphere; That certainly impressed
me. Why? Well, it all seemed right at the time, kind of an addition to the
mystery. It was much about mystery. Who were these guys playing this great
music etc.? A mystery that gained momentum as it continued a mystery. Many
questions - difficult to find the answers. There was more than an ounce of
magic to it all.
Of course this is related to TD in the 70s. Those who came in later most
certainly have other reasons for liking their music.
/Olle
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
My problem is I get so caught up in books, it may as well be a movie! I'll
be sitting here, telling someone about this movie, filled with esquisite
detail, then realize it was never a moviee to begin with.. only a book!
Oops!
More reason to love to read them though.. so much more real. :-)
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:34 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings
yes the original books hold much more than the movie shows
to truly enjoy this tail, you will have to read them all.
to see something like this come to life makes one feel lucky to live this
long to see technology come this far.
makes one wish to live a bit more to see it go much further. but alas...
such is a mortal's demise.
dale
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
knobs? switches? There's a Aaron Tippin song, called 'Big Boy Toys'... let
me tell you, that is my theme song! Has all the stuff thta makes me drool!
lol
I'd hook my wagon to my truck and I'd head across the yard for my big
sandbox where I'm workin' real hard,
playin' all day with my little toy trucks, backhoes bulldozers earth movin'
stuff,
that was my whole life, when I was a kid, but when I grew up I guess I never
really did
I like Big Boy Toys,
motors and the lights,
knobs and switches and a four wheel drive,
runnin' up the road, or crawlin' cross the farm,
and when they break down I jack'em up in the yard,
pull out my tools, my pride and joy,
man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys
Now sometimes baby just can't understand, the mud on my boots and the grease
on my hands,
I try to explain how it makes me feel, the awesome power of my hands on the
wheel,
if I can't find the words, to set things right, I just scoot over and I let
my baby drive,
she likes Big Boy Toys,
motors and the lights,
knobs and switches and a four wheel drive,
runnin' up the road, or crawlin' cross the farm,
and when they break down I jack'em up in the yard,
pull out my tools, my pride and joy,
man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys
It's boats and cars, tractors and trucks, gasoline and diesel fuel are
runnin' through my blood,
I like'm Big Boy Toys,
motors and the lights,
knobs and switches and a four wheel drive,
runnin' up the road, or crawlin' cross the farm,
and when they break down I jack'em up in the yard,
pull out my tools, my pride and joy,
man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys
man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:37 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
> From: 'Adele Outland'
>Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>I do believe that guys are attracted more to this music because of the
>tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines must make some of you
>absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the technicality of it all is
>what drives most ladies away,
From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Fireball
Hmmm...My old agency held an actual ball with that name to commemorate the
anniversary of the great Chicago fire. The reason being we provided relief
and aid back in the day.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton@h...
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:29:52 -0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Fireball
An advert for the upcoming TD concert in London appears in this
month's _Classic Rock_. The concert is billed as 'Fireball' and the
ad sez something like 'The world's leading synth band plays music
from the last 30 years'. It also has a picture of, uh, a ball. On
fire.
Glynn
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:45
pm
Subject: midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
For those who use MIDI here, http://www.midiox.com/ has a interesting tool
that may be of use. I am going to poke at it a bitmore in VB and maybe C in
a few here to see if I can adapt some things I want to do with it. It looks
promising to show the actual traffic between the synths and computer
(perhaps between synths via a computer as well). I did not see a MAC
version...
This fits into my wierd idea about mellotron and sampler (a5k) and so
forth... I now know how to alter the velocity via my sampler between two
sets of samples, keyed with any of my keyboards with as many effects to make
it Mississippi River to Artic clear, even using the joystick on the
DarkStar, pedals, wheels, glide pad and IR.
If anyone else knows of such programing tools, email off list.
Dale
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: RE : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
Hello, Dale !
I'm very interested in your link. Many thanks.
Last summer, I tried to have some midi dlls for vb5...
I would like to manage sysex and to program my own computer controlled
effects on my synths.
In particular to randomize the sound in my juno106 (roland) / dx 7 /
tg33 (yamaha)
I must have all the data format to control them.
It was easier when I used Gfa basic on Atari system :o)
Now, I would like to be in touch with some members who use their pc to
control some parameters in their electronic music...
Cheers,
Fred
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
> Envoyé : jeudi 19 décembre 2002 19:46
> À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
>
>
> For those who use MIDI here, http://www.midiox.com/ has a
> interesting tool that may be of use. I am going to poke at it
> a bitmore in VB and maybe C in a few here to see if I can
> adapt some things I want to do with it. It looks promising to
> show the actual traffic between the synths and computer
> (perhaps between synths via a computer as well). I did not
> see a MAC version...
>
> This fits into my wierd idea about mellotron and sampler
> (a5k) and so forth... I now know how to alter the velocity
> via my sampler between two sets of samples, keyed with any of
> my keyboards with as many effects to make it Mississippi
> River to Artic clear, even using the joystick on the
> DarkStar, pedals, wheels, glide pad and IR.
>
> If anyone else knows of such programing tools, email off list.
>
> Dale
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
now the cat is out of the bag
yea keep me up to date what you find out and learn. I am using .NET, VB6,
and C to set up some things I want to do with the EQ I have. The commercial
apps I have are great for some things but... sometimes I just want something
a bit different or otherwise unique.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Fred Yargui'
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject: RE : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
Hello, Dale !
I'm very interested in your link. Many thanks.
Last summer, I tried to have some midi dlls for vb5...
I would like to manage sysex and to program my own computer controlled
effects on my synths.
In particular to randomize the sound in my juno106 (roland) / dx 7 /
tg33 (yamaha)
I must have all the data format to control them.
It was easier when I used Gfa basic on Atari system :o)
Now, I would like to be in touch with some members who use their pc to
control some parameters in their electronic music...
Cheers,
Fred
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
> Envoyé : jeudi 19 décembre 2002 19:46
> À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
>
>
> For those who use MIDI here, http://www.midiox.com/ has a
> interesting tool that may be of use. I am going to poke at it
> a bitmore in VB and maybe C in a few here to see if I can
> adapt some things I want to do with it. It looks promising to
> show the actual traffic between the synths and computer
> (perhaps between synths via a computer as well). I did not
> see a MAC version...
>
> This fits into my wierd idea about mellotron and sampler
> (a5k) and so forth... I now know how to alter the velocity
> via my sampler between two sets of samples, keyed with any of
> my keyboards with as many effects to make it Mississippi
> River to Artic clear, even using the joystick on the
> DarkStar, pedals, wheels, glide pad and IR.
>
> If anyone else knows of such programing tools, email off list.
>
> Dale
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
Fred
Arpeggiator sample, it's in classes. If you can flow chart it out, I think
you are going to love this. I can adapt this to any random event or anything
else, use a keyboard to triger a chord here or there, range it and so forth.
I am pretty darn sure I can also re-code this to take any input from a IR
device, motion sensor or whatever and send this out.
dale
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained)
http://www.ntonyx.com/vac.html
another fine link
This one takes a midi direct into a wave, etc...
check out all the products
dale
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> From: Yanick Vigneault
>
> The son of one of my old colleague of work made 'Map Painting' for
> this production (http://www.dusso.com/).
Wow, looks very good. Some of the pics got everything I
would love to have on my CD cover.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:35
pm
Subject: OT: Paul Hertzog
Paul Hertzog composed the soundtrack for the karate movie 'Bloodsport'.
My question is: 1- is there a soundtrack release of this music, or 2. If
not, how can I get a file download of this music. His music is very cool
and electronic - it just struck me on the right nerve. VicRek
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:33
am
Subject: Melrose Years Box Set
Hi Everybody!
Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? I odered mine
the day it was available and still haven't gotten it yet.
Just curious.
Rick
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From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:49
am
Subject: Re: Melrose Years Box Set
Hi, Rick!
Yes! I live in Northern Arizona and have received my copy...
...ordered it November 29th, received it a few days ago.
...Utch
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:33:15 EST, rbrown4856@a... wrote:
>Hi Everybody!
>
> Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? I odered mine
>the day it was available and still haven't gotten it yet.
>
>Just curious.
>Rick
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1618
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:36:37 +0100
> From: olle.rundgren@s...
> Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>
>
> On the other hand, I must say that I remember enjoying to learn about their
> reluctance to show themselves on stage. The thought that this dark,
> beautiful, fantasy-inspiring music where played by musicians who were hiding
> behind walls of equipment instead of flirting with the audience; Playing in
> churches because it provided the right atmosphere; That certainly impressed
> me. Why? Well, it all seemed right at the time, kind of an addition to the
> mystery. It was much about mystery. Who were these guys playing this great
> music etc.? A mystery that gained momentum as it continued a mystery. Many
> questions - difficult to find the answers. There was more than an ounce of
> magic to it all.
>
> Of course this is related to TD in the 70s. Those who came in later most
> certainly have other reasons for liking their music.
>
> /Olle
Part of the reason why a church venue was chosen for the 'Music for the 3rd
Millennium' concerts in London throughout 2003. If you've never seen
synthesizer music done in a church setting, you're in for a treat - this one is
almost as nice as Coventry Cathedral :-) There's a picture on the web page
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html
but a much more spectacular one will be added next month when some more concert
details appear.
The most obvious show for Berlin school enthusiasts will be the May one
featuring the huge modular synthesizer 'El Monstruo' - but earlier shows like
White Noise in April, and other Berlin style shows later in the year with
details still TBA, should be equally entertaining...
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:48
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Choral bits
--- quarlie@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/19/02 5:02:33 AM,
> johnvertical@h... writes:
>
> >But while we're at it...
> >What are your favourite TD choral bits?
>
> Rubycon part 1, definitely.
Yes! Rubycon has the best parts. Part 1 a bit light
and Part 2 has the 2001/Ligeti-style chorus, which I
love.
Regards,
Marko Marin
np: Brad Fiedel - T2
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From:
'braddito '
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 8:28
am
Subject: Re: Choral bits
> > >But while we're at it...
> > >What are your favourite TD choral bits?
> >
My favourite would be the closing section on Alpha Centauri as the
organ, synth and voices leave me with a feeling of being stuck in the
cold void of space. Very atmospheric. Still exciting every time I
hear it, even after 30 years of regular listening.
Toby
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:23
am
Subject: Happy holidays
Only a couple of hours left before I switch off my PC and go on a mini
vacation, so I think now is the right time to wish all of you a Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year! I hope 2003 will be as 'tree-mendous' as
it was this year, and I'm really looking forward to meet some of you in
London next February.
best regards
Heiko
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
Wow! I'm looking at that site now, and the artwork is amazing! I can't even
guess at the work it had to involve, but wow! It looks great!
Debra Wilson
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AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:03 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings
> From: Yanick Vigneault
>
> The son of one of my old colleague of work made 'Map Painting' for
> this production (http://www.dusso.com/).
Wow, looks very good. Some of the pics got everything I
would love to have on my CD cover.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:30
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Happy holidays
Merry Christmas Heiko! Have a good holiday :-)
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:24 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Happy holidays
Only a couple of hours left before I switch off my PC and go on a mini
vacation, so I think now is the right time to wish all of you a Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year! I hope 2003 will be as 'tree-mendous' as
it was this year, and I'm really looking forward to meet some of you in
London next February.
best regards
Heiko
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:41
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #300 for December 19, 2002
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #300 December 19, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining
pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Planetary
Chronicles Volume 2' on the Miramar label.
I played the music of Terra Ambient and Stephen Philips, two of the acts which
will appear at WINTER MOON, The Pittsburgh Ambient Solstice Festival.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Chronos' by Michael Stearns on the Sonic
Atmospheres label.
Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec
WINTER MOON http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Michael Stearns Angels and Bells Chronos (Sonic Atmospheres)
AirSculpture, Star Syncing in the Swamp Okefenokee Dreams 2002
Sounds Orchestra et al (unreleased)
Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove)
Thought Guild Distant Star [context] (HRR)
Rudy Adrian and Deep Within Forbidden Across the Silver Sky (Groove)
Ron Boots Mountains
Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for
Music)
Metlay! Necrocosm After Silence (Atomic City)
Stephen Philips Alone Again Reflections in Water (Dark
Duck)
12:00 am
Jonn Serrie First Night Out Planetary Chronicles Volume 2
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Vista Range Planetary Chronicles Volume 2
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Aftervisions Planetary Chronicles Volume 2
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Continuum Planetary Chronicles Volume 2
(Miramar)
Jonn Serrie On a Frontier of Fables Planetary Chronicles Volume 2
(Miramar)
Steve Roach Begins Looking Skyward Day Out of Time (Timeroom)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Flightpath' on the Miramar label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Timewind' by Klaus Schulze on the
Caroline label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: re: Melrose Years Box Set
>Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet?
Nope, not here, yet. Made a few attempts at ordering it on day 1 finally
went thru nov 23 and then there was a problem with the order page (my street
addy was reported as my CC#) and as of dec 5th that was straightened
out--not sure if at that point they made me wait (again) the (apparently)
required number of EU days or not....
nevertheless, I ordered something from the UK last week (21st century
shizoid band official bootleg) and it's already here.... and something else
from the UK, too but it apparently was apparently drop-shipped from inside
the US so I won't count that but mention it anyway.
:)
--T
np THE WHO 7/3/02
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From:
moxica@a...
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Melrose Years Box Set
I've had mine for about 2 weeks now.
--
Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
moxica@a...
> >Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet?
>
> Nope, not here, yet. Made a few attempts at ordering it on day 1 finally
> went thru nov 23 and then there was a problem with the order page (my street
> addy was reported as my CC#) and as of dec 5th that was straightened
> out--not sure if at that point they made me wait (again) the (apparently)
> required number of EU days or not....
>
> nevertheless, I ordered something from the UK last week (21st century
> shizoid band official bootleg) and it's already here.... and something else
> from the UK, too but it apparently was apparently drop-shipped from inside
> the US so I won't count that but mention it anyway.
>
> :)
>
> --T
>
> np THE WHO 7/3/02
>
>
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places
At 02.12.16-09:04, Jens Kilian wrote:
>In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream'
>as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the planet
>doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan...
>
>Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars,
>which were already mentioned here :-)?
Fruitopia made a beverage called 'Tangerine Wavelength'
€0.02
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From:
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:05
pm
Subject: LPs for trade
Hello All,
I am in need of the three CDRs in the REAL Dream Encores set. I have 'most' of
the artwork, but no discs.
I have recently found these records:
Mike Oldfield - Airborn - VA 13143
TD - Cyclone (Original gatefold cover) - V2097
TD - Tangram - vi2147
TD - Force Majeure - OVED 111
EF - Solo 1974-1979 - V2197
Anyone interested????
Happy Holiday to All!!!!!!
Neal
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 11:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for Suggestions...
>So what other suggestions does the group have for me? Would prefer
>works that are in print.
>Thanks!
>B
Perhaps you could try the Schulze CDs rereleased by Manikin - Interface, which
had been out of print; Moondawn - which is the original vinyl master, not the
remixed regular CD version; Live - which has the track Sense in its original 51
minute length (it would not fit the original vinyl)...
Jarre's albums have been remastered and released by Sony in 1997. The Concerts
in China is highly recommended: 90% of the original vinyl inner sleeve is
reproduced there, and the whole album is there in just one CD in great sound
quality, not a single track had to be cut out.
It's interesting that you say you prefer melodic to ambient while at the same
you like Klaus Schulze... which music IMO could mostly be described as
'ambient'. Or were you mentioning TD's 'melodic' work rather than the 'ambient'
work?
kind regards,
happy holidays to everyone,
GJ np. Kaipa's first album. great stuff! Swedish prog: every band I know I like
very very much.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'esculap'
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 11:44
pm
Subject: Re: Brain Halves
>From: 'fozziebear'
>The ladies at work ask to borrow my TD CD's just as much as the men do.
>David
One lady at my work has borrowed my TD CDs, not for herself but for her
husband...
Andy
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 6:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names
But you see, I sign my name as Dell which most people took to mean a man's
name even though that would ususually be with only one L. My fears were
unjustified, however. The denizens of both lists have been very welcoming
and accepting. Actually, I'm curious to know how you found out my real name,
but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. 8-Dell
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: Jonathan Holt
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:21:14 -0500 (EST)
>
>Thanks, Adele and every one else for a very
>interesting debate.
>
>BTW I would have thought that having 'Adele' in your
>mail name would be a dead giveaway that you were a
>girl/lady/woman!
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack
---- Original Message -----
From: 'PERGAMON'
> As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star
> Trek movie.......................
>
> Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be
> something to look forward too.............
Huh? Star Wars without an orchestral score? No way! :-)
Glenn
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names
>Actually, I'm curious to know how you found out my real name,
>but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. 8-Dell
The 'From' field in your messages says very plainly 'Adele Outland'... ever
noticed this?
John Vertical
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From:
'bjoernsip '
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:35
am
Subject: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling
Got my 'Laufen'-CD today with personal christmas-wishings from
Johannes.
Very interesting, especially for runners like me.
It includes some new music by Johannes and 'kneeplay no. 9'
from 'wuivend riet'.
A problem for some of you may be the german language. Maybe someone
in this list can translate the conversations. I think my english is
too bad to manage this job.
I´ll enjoy the whole CD and my new copy of White Out 2000 tomorrow
and you will get some more notes in the next days.
Björn
np: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling
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From:
'heineu '
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling
Hello,
I got also today my own copy of the new Johannes Schmoelling CD:
Laufen incl. christmas wishes from Johannes and a order postcard
from 'Laufen'. Johannes signed my copy.
more pictures from this, today evening on my Homepage.
http://www.opticaldream.de
Cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'bjoernsip '
wrote:
> Got my 'Laufen'-CD today with personal christmas-wishings from
> Johannes.
>
> Very interesting, especially for runners like me.
>
> It includes some new music by Johannes and 'kneeplay no. 9'
> from 'wuivend riet'.
>
> A problem for some of you may be the german language. Maybe someone
> in this list can translate the conversations. I think my english is
> too bad to manage this job.
>
> I´ll enjoy the whole CD and my new copy of White Out 2000 tomorrow
> and you will get some more notes in the next days.
>
> Björn
>
> np: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1620
as anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet?
Yes, I ordered about a month ago and about 2.5 weeks later the little
package showed up. It was pretty fast for me.
DPH
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names
Like Mr. Vertical, I saw your name in the 'from' field
- I guess we both get our posts in email form(?)
BTW Merry Christmas (if that's your thing) and Happy
Everything Else to all those on the list :-)
--- Adele Outland wrote: >
But you see, I sign my name as Dell which most
> people took to mean a man's
> name even though that would ususually be with only
> one L. My fears were
> unjustified, however. The denizens of both lists
> have been very welcoming
> and accepting. Actually, I'm curious to know how you
> found out my real name,
> but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere.
> 8-Dell
>
>
> As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jonathan Holt
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls
> and the uncertain
> >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:21:14 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >Thanks, Adele and every one else for a very
> >interesting debate.
> >
> >BTW I would have thought that having 'Adele' in
> your
> >mail name would be a dead giveaway that you were a
> >girl/lady/woman!
>
>
>
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From:
'heineu '
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: 'Laufen' Pictures at
my homepage:
http://www.opticaldream.de
here you found cover pictures and tracklist.
enjoy it.
Cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 1:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions...
>04: Klaus Schulze - X
By the way, don't get the separate CDs version, as the original double CD
version is still available. The only difference is that the separate cds
version is just much more expensive than the double cd.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 9:26
am
Subject: RE : [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions...
I'm selling this item by the way ;o)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd2sell/2b0da804.html
The whole list of items I sell is at :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd2sell
Please contact me offlist if interested.
Merry Xmas to everybodreamers ;o)
Fred
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@s...]
> Envoyé : dimanche 22 décembre 2002 02:01
> À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : Re: [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions...
>
>
>
> >04: Klaus Schulze - X
>
> By the way, don't get the separate CDs version, as the
> original double CD version is still available. The only
> difference is that the separate cds version is just much more
> expensive than the double cd.
>
>
>
From:
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:41
am
Subject: Happy Holidays
Hello all,
the other Heiko says also:
MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR
to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world.
And I hope, that I can see many TD Fan`s next year in London.
cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
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www.opticaldream.de
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Holidays
Same from me....
May peace reign (over xmas at least), and goodwill to all at TAdream!
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: [tadream] Happy Holidays
> Hello all,
>
> the other Heiko says also:
>
> MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR
> to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world.
>
> And I hope, that I can see many TD Fan`s next year in London.
>
> cheers
> heiko - Mr. Optical
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> www.opticaldream.de
>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:54
am
Subject: Season's Greetings to one and All
I'd like to wish everyone on the TD list a happy Christmas and the
opportunity to listen to plenty of our favourite band.
From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 3:33
pm
Subject: Season's Greetings
Hi all,
To join the throng of happy greetings (now that I have sobered up
from our office party on Thursday): Merry Christmas and Happy New
Year.
Counting down to Feb 15th now. Hope to meet as many of you as poss.!
BTF
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From:
'tmaxlo '
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: TD references in unexpected places
I have a small bottle of nail varnish....
...oh it's not 'cos my brain halves are the wrong way around or
something. The colour name, ofcourse, is Tangerine Dream. No.23 by
Rimmel. A bit too pink for my liking....
From:
René Brenner
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:51
pm
Subject: Pete Namlook on Radioeins
Pete Namlook (FAX, Dark Side of the Moog) is live on Radio Eins on
1st January 2003. Would it be possible for someone near Berlin to
record this show for me? It's only a 1-hour show.
Cheers and Merry Xmas to all of you!
- Rene
From:
David Butler
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:35
pm
Subject: Mary Xmas
Now I know what you're thinking, he misspelled
'merry'. Actually, I didn't, I was thinking of this
hooker I used to know...anyway, happy christmas to
everyone and I hope that the new year brings peace and
serenity to us all....David
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From:
'Gary Jenkins '
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: Season's Greetings
May I wish all fellow TD fans A merry Christmas and a Peaceful New
Year,it seems the older I get the quicker it comes around at this
rate Feb 15 will be here before I know it LOL.
Cheers Gary
NP. Xmas songs, perhaps TD should release a Xmas single next year:)
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:59
pm
Subject: Namlook on Radio Eins
Rene said
'Pete Namlook (FAX, Dark Side of the Moog) is live on Radio Eins on
1st January 2003. Would it be possible for someone near Berlin to
record this show for me? It's only a 1-hour show.'
If anyone does record the show could they please let me know. A friend of
mine really likes Namlook. Thanks
Cheers and Merry Xmas to all of you!
David
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:00
am
Subject: OT: My album for sale
Hello folks!
I'm very happy to announce that my first album, Round Mi, is OUT!
It's actually not the first album, but the first one I felt it could be
released and worked hard on the music. And it happened!
You can email the label, Som Interior
(http://www.rockprogressivo.com.br/sominterior/eng.htm,
renaiss@c...) for info on purchase and everything. The music in
this album is influenced mainly by Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Philip
Glass but with a good dose of originality, as I see it.
I will soon begin to work on my website, now that I finally have the time for
it. I've also been doing a lot of sound research, rehearsals, composing and
brainstorming for the next album...
For those who're interested I'll be happy to send cover scans, detailed
tracklist, more detailed info, even little sound samples, while the site
doesn't exist.
I hope you'll be interested in this work and, of course, buy it!
best regards,
happy holidays et cetera,
GJ
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: Merry Xmas
I would like to wish all fellow TD fans a very merry xmas and a happy
new year,roll on London 15,02,03. Heres to the GLENFIDDICH! HIC!
Cheers&best regards
CJ
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names
WOW! No! I didn't. Big DUH here, lol. Thanks. 8-Dell
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: 'John Vertical'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:19:20 +0200
>
> >Actually, I'm curious to know how you found out my real name,
> >but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. 8-Dell
>
>
>The 'From' field in your messages says very plainly 'Adele Outland'... ever
>noticed this?
>
>John Vertical
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 1:59
pm
Subject: OT: Round Mi again
Hello everyone,
just to let anyone interested know that I've got some copies of the album for
myself and if you want, you can buy it directly from me.
that's it
best wishes and all that stuff,
GJ np. Solaris 1990
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'Piotr Millennium 3'
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:31
pm
Subject: Merry Christmas
Zdrowych i Weso³ych ¦wi±t Bo¿ego Narodzenia oraz Szczê¶liwego Nowego Roku
Frohe Weihnachten und ein gutes Neues Jahr
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Meilleurs Voeux pour la Nouvelle Année
Felices Navidades y Próspero Ano Nuevo
Buon Natale e FeliceAnno Nuovo
Prettige Kerstdagen en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar
Pozdrawiam
Piotr S. 'Millennium'
http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 10:59
pm
Subject: merry xmas
Dear friends,
hope you all have a great xmas
Yours
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
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From:
'Brad Kuhn '
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:01
am
Subject: Looking for Tangerine Tree 9-16
Anyone have volumes 9-16 of Tangerine Tree that they can send my
way? I can do a B&P trade, or if you're into progressive rock I can
send you my trade list.
Many thanks!
B
From:
'Brad Kuhn '
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:59
am
Subject: WO: Tangerine Tree Vols 4-8
Merry Christmas to all. I recently received volumes 4-8 (thanks
Andrew!) and want to pass this along to whomever doesn't have it
yet. I'm blown away by the overall quality of this project - the
sound is A+ on these, and the artwork is fantastic. Just drop me
your address (I also have 1-3 on the way, so if you need those also,
let me know).
Later-
B
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Season's Greetings
Merry Christmas, Happy New years, and all that good stuff! :-D
Hope everyone has a fun, and safe holiday!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: billythefish01
[mailto:mudspanker@y...]
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:33 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Season's Greetings
Hi all,
To join the throng of happy greetings (now that I have sobered up
from our office party on Thursday): Merry Christmas and Happy New
Year.
Counting down to Feb 15th now. Hope to meet as many of you as poss.!
BTF
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Merry Christmas
Piotr Millennium 3 wrote:
>
> Zdrowych i Weso³ych ¦wi±t Bo¿ego Narodzenia oraz Szczê¶liwego Nowego Roku
You can say that in Portuguese too:
Feliz Natal e Próspero Ano Novo.
On a side note, yesterday I was listening to the radio, and on a direct
from the municipal market the reporter asked:
- What is the best selling product today?
- Tangerines!
Season's greetings.
Antonio Nunes
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:58
pm
Subject: Merry Christmas
I just wanted to take a moment and wish all here a luminous holiday season.
May your upcoming year be filled with love and light.
Peace
Poly
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Merry Christmas
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
> I just wanted to take a moment and wish all here a luminous holiday
season.
> May your upcoming year be filled with love and light.
> Peace
> Poly
=O) ............Luminous holiday.................are you on acid or
something.......
Jan
From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 4:35
am
Subject: Info needed on Classic Tree, please
Hello,
Could someone on the list give info on the Classic Tree list? I need to see
the data base of the people participating, so I can contact my leaves.
Thank you,
Martyn
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Info needed on Classic Tree, please
>Hello,
>
>Could someone on the list give info on the Classic Tree list? I need to
>see
>the data base of the people participating, so I can contact my leaves.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Martyn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
You've been assigned 2 leaves: Martin McKee (janiner@n...) and Dan
Eberly (DanEberly@a...)
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From:
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Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:56
am
Subject: New member, trees and stuff
Hi all,
New member here, lost at the Mysterious semblance at the strand of
nightmares, it seems. I collect everything official I can lay my hands on but
I am trying to work out what the trees and leaves things are about. Is this
some strange phenomenon I am missing out on? Any info will be gratefully
received.
Derek
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New member, trees and stuff
>Hi all,
>New member here, lost at the Mysterious semblance at the strand of
>nightmares, it seems. I collect everything official I can lay my hands on
>but
>I am trying to work out what the trees and leaves things are about. Is this
>some strange phenomenon I am missing out on? Any info will be gratefully
>received.
>Derek
The Trees are projects intended to spread music that's not widely avaivable;
usually it's unreleased live shows, but we also have a soundtrack tree going
on at the moment.
In general, a tree works so that a person with lots of good rare material
(the 'trunk') sends copies of it to, say, 10 people, and they copy and send
it onwards to more people who continue copying and sending it. The last
persons in this series are the 'leaves' of the tree; the ones who send
copies of stuff onwards are 'brances'. The system becomes a tree-shape-like
network. The trunk is level 0; the branches who get their disks from him are
level 1; the branches supplied by the primary branches are level 2; and so
on...
The numero uno tree is the Tangerine Tree (TT for short), led by Heiko
Heersseen but many, many people are contributing to it. The purpose is to
first achieve the best possible tapes of classic TD concerts; they are then
handed to skilled remasterers. Each concert also gets unique artwork. The
disks are being sent to hundreds of TD fans all over the world; there are
about 8 levels on the tree. So far there are 15 concerts on 24 disks on the
tree. The third bunch of TT material will be on its way in February.
Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database to sign up for TT3.
As you can see there, there are also other trees going on. I'm pretty sure
that you can still find a supplier in your area for the older TT batches,
the Classic Tree (which deals with concerts that don't need any special TT
treatment) or the Digital Soundtrack Tree (TD soundtracks lifted straight
from the movies) if you just ask.
If I've forgotten any essential information, someone please fill me in.
John Vertical (oh, and sorry if there's any bad English, it's not my native
language)
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New member, trees and stuff
DawnsGuy01@a... wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> New member here, lost at the Mysterious semblance at the strand of
> nightmares, it seems. I collect everything official I can lay my hands on but
> I am trying to work out what the trees and leaves things are about. Is this
> some strange phenomenon I am missing out on? Any info will be gratefully
> received.
Welcome to the list, Derek. John Vertical has answered already to your
question about the trees, but let me just add a very important rule that
he didn't mention: all the trees are to be conducted on a non-profit
basis only. TDI is monitoring this list, and will tolerate these trees
as long as there is no money involved. Please visit also
http://www.tadream.net/tree/ for more details about the tree project.
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #301 for December 26, 2002
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #301 December 26, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining
pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Flightpath'
on the Miramar label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Timewind' by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline
label.
Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus02.html#dec
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze Wahnfried 1883 Timewind (Caroline)
Remanence Lamkhyer Lamkhyer (mPATH)
Skin Mechanix First Flight The Secret Life of Angels
(InfectionMusic)
Glenn Adams Journey Galactic Anthems (Galactic
Anthems)
The Glimmer Room Lake Song Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu
Harmony)
Ron Boots Ghost of a Mist (the Ghost of a Mist (Groove)
Sleepwalker)
12:00 am
Jonn Serrie Flightpath Flightpath (Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Sky Safari Flightpath (Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Muroc Flightpath (Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Outreach Flightpath (Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Deep Starship Flightpath (Miramar)
Jonn Serrie Glyder Flightpath (Miramar)
Spacecraft Thread of Continuity Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic
Soundscapes)
Spacecraft Homage to Gaia Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic
Soundscapes)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Soundfall to the Infinite' by Zero Ohms and
Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Irrlicht' by Klaus Schulze on the
Ohr label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:47
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time.
I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my
jeans.
TD The GREATEST.
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for December, 2002
WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to
New Age Voice for December, 2002.
Shows #298 to #301; 5-December-2002 to 26-December-2002
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f...
CONTACT: billfox@f...
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle - Ramayana - Neu Harmony
Glenn Adams - Galactic Anthems - Galactic Anthems
Jonn Serrie - And the Stars Go With You - New World Music
Jonn Serrie - Flightpath - Miramar
Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 - Miramar
Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 - Miramar
Max van Richter - Resurrection - Neu Harmony
Otarion Select - Creator - Neu Harmony
Redshift - Halo - Distant Sun
Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun
Rudy Adrian and Ron Boots - Across the Silver Sky - Groove
Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels - InfectionMusic
Steve Roach - All Is Now - Timeroom
Steve Roach - Darkest Before Dawn - Timeroom
Steve Roach - Day Out of Time - Timeroom
The Glimmer Room - Tomorrow's Tuesday - Neu Harmony
Thought Guild - [context] - HRR
Tranzit - Tranz-Rapid - Groove
Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony
Wayne Lyttle - Animusic - Animusic
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes:
>Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time.
>I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my
>jeans.
Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit.
--Daniel
NP: Clear Vision - Deception
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:33
pm
Subject: re: TD the greatest
>Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit.
experiencing a little (or perhaps big) 'Asstrophobia' are you?
;)
--T
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From:
'bduke252003 '
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:03
pm
Subject: Re:' faulty'
That is the lamest excuse for covering up one's flaws I've ever heard
in my life. This is intentional? Then by all means, get out of the
music making business because it's ridiculous. I guess TDI truly
thinks we're fools. I'm SERIOUSLY getting ready to pull the plug...
(kind of like the way I felt when I thought I was buying original
concert recordings from certain time periods and venues (Sohomon,
Livemiles) or like the 'live' tracks on I-Box.)
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote:
> At 09:38 10.12.02, you wrote:
>
>
> >I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this
> >ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000.
> >
> >armin
> >
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> >Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
> >SUN Microsystems Ireland
> >
> >'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
> > - Woody Allen
>
> Dear list,
>
> here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on
the 'skipping'-issue:
>
> 'skipping' on the Melrose Years:
>
> we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound
that can
> be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool
at Heart'
> on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the
end of the
> song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this
sound is
> neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a
> deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound
bytes. If
> you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the
CD runs
> through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you
listen
> closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with
the
> tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm.
You
> will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be
found on
> every one of them.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 9:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Merry Xmas
Merry Christmas to you too!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jouxson
[mailto:convention24@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:11 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Merry Xmas
I would like to wish all fellow TD fans a very merry xmas and a happy
new year,roll on London 15,02,03. Heres to the GLENFIDDICH! HIC!
Cheers&best regards
CJ
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:49 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes:
>Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time.
>I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my
>jeans.
Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit.
--Daniel
NP: Clear Vision - Deception
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From:
'Gary Jenkins '
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:56
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as
well... O.o
Don't worry it's that Glenffidich talking it obviously works better
than Viagra lOl
Cheers Gary
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...]
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:49 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes:
>
> >Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time.
> >I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my
> >jeans.
>
> Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Clear Vision - Deception
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:24
pm
Subject: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium
OK so lemme get this straight--we want unretouched classic concerts ' of TD
released (even if there are no high frequencies left after possible baking
before some kinda transfer to digital--clearly we won't b!tch about that).
Problem is the assumption is that TDs tapes are gonna sound better than
audience tapes eventhough chances are TDs tapes are from soundboard feeds
which may reflect the exaggeration/imbalances needed to get a concert PA to
sound somewhat decent in a given venue which is what's necessary in live
performance, not the artifact that may be the soundboard recording. And
then there are the problems with the recording media and the various work
arounds/engineering feats (thanks TT's back room boys).
Of course the Grateful Dead have been dealing with vault issues for sometime
now and they've set up different outlets for various projects:
Dicks Picks (DP) are basically two-track nearly complete show recordings
released thru the Dead's mail order system that eventually see a wider
release (local shops) through the big companies years later.
GD's From the Vault Series are multi-track and so on and see wide release
from day one (local shops).
The advantage that the more current day dicks picks series has is that the
band members have given up their control freak issues (Phil Lesh purportedly
had some of his bass removed on the first DP release) and realize that
they--the folks who created the music are hypercritical and aren't the best
judges of the material. They struggle listening to thevault tapes--if they
even bother-- as Edgar does with TD and can't get past what they were trying
to do--even though the audience (both TDs and the Dead) think and know what
they were seeing was quite wonderful. Ok, sometimes you just have a bad
show for whatever reason....
It's simply not in the nature of the folks running the Dicks Picks projects
(RIP Dick Latvala) to make available vault embarassments. Of course you
gotta love the GD and the TD completists too--who want every thing-- warts,
bath tub scenes and all.
Maybe someday Edgar will, in fact, let the stash out of the bag so that we
can get more of the good stuff in the meantime we get to b!tch about
Soundmill Navigator (which certainly can't be seen as an encouragement for
Edgar to take a chance in the future with a vault release) or about a bad
edit or CD skip built into a track on the Melrose Box ad nauseum. I could
b!tch about the Melrose Box, too if the thing ever arrives. Wait, I already
am!
Oh, btw, I see that phish is now pre-'selling' their concerts bundled as
unretouched downloads over the internet in as early as 48 hours after a
show--available as .SHNs and .mp3s including artwork--with different prices
depending. (they've a freebie up there now) see here:
http://www.livephish.com/
now if I just had broadband....
--T
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:32
pm
Subject: Leaves
Been away for a few days. I need all my leaves and any who sent me disk to
contact me. I need to get you taken care of very soon. I will be moving
(same town different house) soon. Slight auto accident over last weekend has
set me back a few days as well. While I am fine, my wife is still a bit
sore. I have received many disks which require sorting on my part. I just
want to touch bases with all who sent me disks and any on the way.
My move will be within 60 days.
Dale
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 11:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
Just remind me to stay away til he calms down a bit..lol.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:quinoa@v...]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:57 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o
Don't worry it's that Glenffidich talking it obviously works better
than Viagra lOl
Cheers Gary
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From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 4:47
am
Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
...you know, Debra, some guys -=never=- 'calm down'...
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:03:27 -0800, Debra Wilson wrote:
>Just remind me to stay away til he calms down a bit..lol.
>
>Debra Wilson
>Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
>http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
>AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
>http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:quinoa@v...]
>Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:57 AM
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
>
>Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o
>
>Don't worry it's that Glenffidich talking it obviously works better
>than Viagra lOl
>
>Cheers Gary
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...]
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:49 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes:
>
> >Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time.
> >I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my
> >jeans.
>
> Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Clear Vision - Deception
--------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:06
pm
Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
I have to say that Madrigal Meridian is one of TD's best tracks! This is the
theme song we play as we (Marion and I) drive into the Okefenokee Swamp each
year for the Ricochet Gathering.
Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the
Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). So far we have confirmed:
AirSculpture
Free System Projekt
Star Sounds Orchestra (feat. Steve Schroyder of old TD Alpha Centauri/Zeit
period)
Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label)
Arcane (Paul Lawler)
Dave Brewer
Bill Fox
and possibly other guests....
The price so far is a bit steep - about $400 for 4 days. If I see a lot of
interest in fans getting to the Mojave desert in California this April, then
maybe we can make it really cheaper for all the fans. Please contact me
ASAP if you are interested and maybe I can work a great deal. No, this is
not Burning Man - but the ultimate EM experience you can have in the US!
VicRek
www.ricochetdream.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Random
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mudspanker@y... writes:
> >
> > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my
> copy is
> > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence
> suddenly
> > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord -
> they
> > > are just played in random order).
> >
> > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of
> Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping
> octaves which is not the same thing as random composition.
> > Poly
>
> Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves,
> but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several
> identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are
> jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are
> changing.
>
> BTF
>
>
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>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:02
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
True.... lol
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Utch Entel [mailto:Utch@i...]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:47 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest.
...you know, Debra, some guys -=never=- 'calm down'...
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:03:27 -0800, Debra Wilson wrote:
>Just remind me to stay away til he calms down a bit..lol.
>
>Debra Wilson
>Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
>http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
>AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
>http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:03
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
I live an hour from there, but have never heard of this. Of course not being
free, it counts me out instantly.
But it does sound fun.
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:06 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
I have to say that Madrigal Meridian is one of TD's best tracks! This is the
theme song we play as we (Marion and I) drive into the Okefenokee Swamp each
year for the Ricochet Gathering.
Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the
Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). So far we have confirmed:
AirSculpture
Free System Projekt
Star Sounds Orchestra (feat. Steve Schroyder of old TD Alpha Centauri/Zeit
period)
Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label)
Arcane (Paul Lawler)
Dave Brewer
Bill Fox
and possibly other guests....
The price so far is a bit steep - about $400 for 4 days. If I see a lot of
interest in fans getting to the Mojave desert in California this April, then
maybe we can make it really cheaper for all the fans. Please contact me
ASAP if you are interested and maybe I can work a great deal. No, this is
not Burning Man - but the ultimate EM experience you can have in the US!
VicRek
www.ricochetdream.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Random
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mudspanker@y... writes:
> >
> > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my
> copy is
> > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence
> suddenly
> > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord -
> they
> > > are just played in random order).
> >
> > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of
> Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping
> octaves which is not the same thing as random composition.
> > Poly
>
> Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves,
> but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several
> identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are
> jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are
> changing.
>
> BTF
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:17
am
Subject: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:39 -0000 'bduke252003
' writes:
>That is the lamest excuse for covering up one's flaws I've
>ever heard in my life.
True. I just received my set the other day, and the two
skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that --
skips, not intentional sound effects. What a crock. This
convinces me all the more that the glitches in SOUNDSWILL
NAVELGAZER are just that: glitches.
And, so far, I've only played the set once all the way
through, but the only difference I've seen between the new
versions and the originals is the track order and the presence
of cheesy, out-of-place percussion all over the place. The
bongoes have *got* to go; I thought sax was pukesville in TD's
music, but this bongoes crap is the pits. :(
-- Steven Feldman
- - - - - - -
ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said:
'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.'
DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined:
'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho.
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:02
pm
Subject: Re: Grateful Dead vault releases
<>
He wanted his bass solo cut from the release. He
did an interview where he said something to the
effect that he only played two bass solos on that
particular tour, one of which was pretty good and
the other wasn't, and I think his comment was
something to the effect of 'I think this was the
not so good one'. They also left out a number of
songs from that and a number of other Dick's
Picks releases. Even on the more recent ones,
they've done things like cutting a guitar solo
out of one song (in He's Gone on the Englishtown,
NJ release). And some of the releases are
compilations from multiple nights, which is ok,
except that I don't think they always pick the
right songs (I have some of the material that got
left off the one they took from the London show
from September 74...there's a FANTASTIC Seastones
jam that segues into Eyes Of The World and then
Wharf Rat that I wish they could have used).
<>
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by
'bathtub scenes', but I don't mind them leaving
bad performances in the vault. It's when they
make cuts that strike me as rather questionable
that I wonder about their decision making
process.
=====
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes:
>I just received my set the other day, and the two
>skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that --
>skips, not intentional sound effects.
Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the
band would claim otherwise.
--Daniel
NP: Kyoko Fukada - How?
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping
accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: Debra Wilson
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
> I live an hour from there, but have never heard of this. Of course not
being
> free, it counts me out instantly.
> But it does sound fun.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
>
>
> I have to say that Madrigal Meridian is one of TD's best tracks! This is
the
> theme song we play as we (Marion and I) drive into the Okefenokee Swamp
each
> year for the Ricochet Gathering.
>
> Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the
> Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). So far we have confirmed:
>
> AirSculpture
> Free System Projekt
> Star Sounds Orchestra (feat. Steve Schroyder of old TD Alpha Centauri/Zeit
> period)
> Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label)
> Arcane (Paul Lawler)
> Dave Brewer
> Bill Fox
> and possibly other guests....
>
> The price so far is a bit steep - about $400 for 4 days. If I see a lot
of
> interest in fans getting to the Mojave desert in California this April,
then
> maybe we can make it really cheaper for all the fans. Please contact me
> ASAP if you are interested and maybe I can work a great deal. No, this is
> not Burning Man - but the ultimate EM experience you can have in the US!
>
> VicRek
> www.ricochetdream.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:15 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Random
>
>
> > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > mudspanker@y... writes:
> > >
> > > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my
> > copy is
> > > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence
> > suddenly
> > > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord -
> > they
> > > > are just played in random order).
> > >
> > > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of
> > Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping
> > octaves which is not the same thing as random composition.
> > > Poly
> >
> > Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves,
> > but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several
> > identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are
> > jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are
> > changing.
> >
> > BTF
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
From:
> Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the
> band would claim otherwise.
Presumably because of the huge costs of replacing the disc in every single copy.
IIRC someone here mentioned that the duplication plant would have to pay for it,
but I'm guessing that would not be the case if the error was made by the band.
Which would kinda make sense if the sound skips, but the CD itself plays
properly.
Incidentally, did TDI ever get around to issuing that MP3 download for the
Ruling the Waves track? And is anyone else like me still waiting for their copy
of the Melrose set three weeks after ordering it?
Maff
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 4:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:24 EST quarlie@a... writes:
>In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes:
>
>>I just received my set the other day, and the two skips in
>>'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that -- skips,
>>not intentional sound effects.
>
>Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with
>a reason why the band would claim otherwise.
Because they think we'll believe anything they tell us,
and because there are a lot of Edgar Apologists out there
more than willing to cut them more slack than necessary.
Also, remember how everybody denies THE KEEP LP ever having
been mistakenly pressed in late 1983 / early 1984 (with the
result that a few hundred copies wound up on record shop
shelves until they were pulled two days later). ;)
>--Daniel
Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876;
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801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/
Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC
Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk!
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From:
the_singing_goat@a...
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
Sleeping.. heck, I'd drive home or go stay at a friend's after..lol. Have a few
in the area.
And seriously, I haven't worked in almost two years, I really don't have money
for anything more then maybe $20 or $30 bucks, and that would be everything
scraped up from my birthday if I got really lucky!
--
Percentage Boer goats in Southern
California
Billy-Bob's Boers
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers
/index.html
> Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping
> accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks.
>
> Vic
From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:43
am
Subject: Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely,
several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be
(2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is
definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is
quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000)
I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds
like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could
mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to
hear TD the way I get to...)
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:24 EST, quarlie@a... wrote:
>In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes:
>
>>I just received my set the other day, and the two
>>skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that --
>>skips, not intentional sound effects.
>
>Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the
>band would claim otherwise.
>
>--Daniel
>NP: Kyoko Fukada - How?
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From:
'Andrei Stcherbatchenko'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
My copy of Cool at Heart does not skip, but it sounds like it does. I made a
CDR copy of the disc specially for my car stereo and it also has this loud,
squeaky sound. It is definitely _not_ in sync with music, and it is _louder_
than music.
CD recorder software reported no errors, I tried it on two CDRW drives, so I
think it was a master problem.
From: 'Utch Entel'
> I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely,
> several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be
> (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is
> definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is
> quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000)
>
> I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds
> like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could
> mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
>
> ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to
> hear TD the way I get to...)
Regards
Andrei
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 1:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
Utch Entel wrote:
>
> I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely,
> several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be
> (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is
> definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is
> quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000)
>
> ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to
> hear TD the way I get to...)
I think that my stereo is decent enough (amplifier Audiolab and speakers
Monitor Audio) but those 'skips' in 'Cool at Heart' sound _exactly_ like
skips to me. Anyway, I understand that they may sound appropriate to
you. In the same way, many people consider the ft-ft sound in 'Soundmill
Navigator' an irritating noise, but for me it's a sound effect.
Antonio Nunes
np: Soundmill Navigator
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 2:59
pm
Subject: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
>I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds
>like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could
>mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
I got my copy of the box (signed, #7 , thx!) just before I left for
Italy, and listened to it in the car. Even in that environment, when
these sounds came up, I, too, was 100% sure that they were not skips.
Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with
the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error
correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the
sound.
That does not rule out that some copies of the CDs might have a
scratch just in that area due to some freak coincidence, but mine
are definitely ok.
So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash
around, please. If not, at least appreciate the fact that Germany's
more or less shut down for the holidays until at least Jan.2.
I presume this holds true for the TDI office as well, and all their
suppliers they could possibly speak to.
As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of
f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. They might just
as well make it a running gag and marketing tool, and offer a price
for the first one to find the error on a new release ;-)
As for the downloadable replacement, southern Germany has another
holiday on the 6th, so we are virtually shut down even longer.
I'll cut them that much slack to get it up and going.
Musically, in a nutshell, I thought that 'Lily' benefitted from the
remixes (but that only lifted it into the 'bearable' category for me),
while Melrose suffered.
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
> So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash
> around, please.
I'd hardly call it a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories tend to be totally
outrageous and lacking any proof. I consider my assumtion to be a natural
progression given the track record of recent releases; concerts that weren't
concerts, live tracks that weren't live, incorrect tracks on the master copies
and sound glitches deliberately dubbed onto music. I have yet to hear the
offending track. Perhaps it really is an intentional sound effect. The consensus
here seems to be against that.
> As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of
> f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases.
Is that not exactly the 'conspiracy theory' I just suggested??! :-)
Maff
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia
>Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with
>the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error
>correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the
>sound.
...yes, even though it might sound out-of-sync it can well still not be an
error. I've not heard the click, but I, like Anthony, actually don't dislike
the zih zih zih zih on SndMill.
>So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash
>around, please.
>
>As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of
>f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. They might just
>as well make it a running gag and marketing tool, and offer a price
>for the first one to find the error on a new release ;-)
Some of you probably believe that there are discussions of the following
sort going on in the TDI department...
---
Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--'
Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that
Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?'
Jerome: 'Don't worry dad, I could toss in a pre-release mix of Quazar and
let Mark add a few guitar lines.'
E: 'Naah, that's too still too risky. Looks like I'm never going to
get that solo album out, I've had to spend... wait a minute... sixteen or
something solo tracks as collections' bonus tracks so far.'
J: 'The one you rehearsed yesterday? Wouldn't they recognize the preset
drumline?'
E: 'No, I mean the keyboard solo piece. The one that was supposed to be on 7
Letters but Martin said that 7 Letters From Tibet would be a much more
catchy name than 8 Letters From Tibet.'
M: 'Yeah, yeah. But what about that Cool at Heart bug? Should I just tell
them with a straight face that it was intentional, huh?'
E: '...You know, that just might work, in fact...'
J: 'I thought that we left the 8th letter away because we ran out of colors
of the spectrum..? But, by the way, any news from the legal department about
the Miramar remixes project issue?'
M: 'I remember shouting something like 'What do you mean
that the Dream Mixes should be enough??' to phone a few days ago. Looks like
we're hitting the wall again.'
E: 'Do we have to do the Classic Editions too-edited to-pay-shares maneuver
thing again? I'm actually starting to run empty of blatant overdubs, believe
it or not.'
J: 'Abandon that - we really can't afford any more albums that will be
pulled away from the market due to legal issues.'
E: 'Unless we consider applying for a soundtrack project?'
M: 'What's wrong with a proper album, anyway?'
E: 'I just get evil vibes from them. They're too ordinary. I want to do some
different concepts. What do you think about becoming a professional
overdubber?'
J: 'What, you mean it wasn't enough to score porn flicks under a false
name?'
and so on ;-)
John Vertical
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From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Hi-fi (was: The Skips in 'Cool At Heart')
>I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds
>like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could
>mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
>...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo
to
>hear TD the way I get to...)
The most important parts of any hi-fi setup are
the bits stuck on either side of your head, not
the scrap metal plugged into the wall.
I'll take my ears and my cheap plastic boom box
(difficult to find room for a big, expensive stereo
in a 40 square metre apartment even if I wanted one)
over anybody else's and their overpriced Technics (or
whatever) crap anyday :-)
Glynn
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:43
pm
Subject: Re: sleeping
I don't know your situation or inclination, but perhaps if you were to say,
let a few people crash at your place, Vic might cut you a deal and let you
attend for free or something. Or... maybe if some people crashed at your
place they might be willing to chip something in to help cover your costs.
just a thought and perhaps something worth pursuing... though I can't speak
for Vic and I don't know whether an arrangement like this would be something
that he would consider.
In a message dated 12/29/2002 6:12:43 AM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:18:22 +0000
> From: the_singing_goat@a...
> Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
>
> Sleeping.. heck, I'd drive home or go stay at a friend's after..lol. Have a
> few
> in the area.
> And seriously, I haven't worked in almost two years, I really don't have
> money
> for anything more then maybe $20 or $30 bucks, and that would be everything
> scraped up from my birthday if I got really lucky!
>
> --
> Percentage Boer goats in Southern
> California
> Billy-Bob's Boers
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers
> /index.html
> > Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping
> > accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks.
> >
> > Vic
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: sleeping
lol my parents flip out if there is anyone besides my best friend here, with
or without notice. So that's really not an option.. aside from the fact that
there wouldn't be room for more then one or two anyways...lol.
Either way, I've never seen anyone play live before, so I certainly won't
keel over from missing this... :-P
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 10:44 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: sleeping
I don't know your situation or inclination, but perhaps if you were to say,
let a few people crash at your place, Vic might cut you a deal and let you
attend for free or something. Or... maybe if some people crashed at your
place they might be willing to chip something in to help cover your costs.
just a thought and perhaps something worth pursuing... though I can't speak
for Vic and I don't know whether an arrangement like this would be something
that he would consider.
In a message dated 12/29/2002 6:12:43 AM Central Standard Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:18:22 +0000
> From: the_singing_goat@a...
> Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
>
> Sleeping.. heck, I'd drive home or go stay at a friend's after..lol. Have
a
> few
> in the area.
> And seriously, I haven't worked in almost two years, I really don't have
> money
> for anything more then maybe $20 or $30 bucks, and that would be
everything
> scraped up from my birthday if I got really lucky!
>
> --
> Percentage Boer goats in Southern
> California
> Billy-Bob's Boers
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers
> /index.html
> > Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping
> > accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks.
> >
> > Vic
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia
>John Vertical said:
>
>Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--'
>
>Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that
>Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?'
>
That was hilarious. :)
-Morgan
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 7:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia
Doing a bit of script writing these days John?
Have you thought of who may play the parts yet?
Get SS to direct it? or do it in the fashion of Lord of the Rings?
;-)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia
> >Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with
> >the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error
> >correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the
> >sound.
>
>
> ...yes, even though it might sound out-of-sync it can well still not be an
> error. I've not heard the click, but I, like Anthony, actually don't
dislike
> the zih zih zih zih on SndMill.
>
>
> >So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash
> >around, please.
> >
> >As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of
> >f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. They might just
> >as well make it a running gag and marketing tool, and offer a price
> >for the first one to find the error on a new release ;-)
>
>
> Some of you probably believe that there are discussions of the following
> sort going on in the TDI department...
>
> ---
>
> Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--'
>
> Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that
> Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?'
>
> Jerome: 'Don't worry dad, I could toss in a pre-release mix of Quazar and
> let Mark add a few guitar lines.'
>
> E: 'Naah, that's too still too risky. Looks like I'm never going to
> get that solo album out, I've had to spend... wait a minute... sixteen or
> something solo tracks as collections' bonus tracks so far.'
>
> J: 'The one you rehearsed yesterday? Wouldn't they recognize the preset
> drumline?'
>
> E: 'No, I mean the keyboard solo piece. The one that was supposed to be on
7
> Letters but Martin said that 7 Letters From Tibet would be a much more
> catchy name than 8 Letters From Tibet.'
>
> M: 'Yeah, yeah. But what about that Cool at Heart bug? Should I just tell
> them with a straight face that it was intentional, huh?'
>
> E: '...You know, that just might work, in fact...'
>
> J: 'I thought that we left the 8th letter away because we ran out of
colors
> of the spectrum..? But, by the way, any news from the legal department
about
> the Miramar remixes project issue?'
>
> M: 'I remember shouting something like 'What do you
mean
> that the Dream Mixes should be enough??' to phone a few days ago. Looks
like
> we're hitting the wall again.'
>
> E: 'Do we have to do the Classic Editions too-edited to-pay-shares
maneuver
> thing again? I'm actually starting to run empty of blatant overdubs,
believe
> it or not.'
>
> J: 'Abandon that - we really can't afford any more albums that will be
> pulled away from the market due to legal issues.'
>
> E: 'Unless we consider applying for a soundtrack project?'
>
> M: 'What's wrong with a proper album, anyway?'
>
> E: 'I just get evil vibes from them. They're too ordinary. I want to do
some
> different concepts. What do you think about becoming a professional
> overdubber?'
>
> J: 'What, you mean it wasn't enough to score porn flicks under a false
> name?'
>
> and so on ;-)
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Andrei Stcherbatchenko'
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
> >I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds
> >like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could
> >mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
>
> I got my copy of the box (signed, #7 , thx!) just before I left for
> Italy, and listened to it in the car. Even in that environment, when
> these sounds came up, I, too, was 100% sure that they were not skips.
>
> Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with
> the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error
> correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the
> sound.
>
Are we talking about the same issue? I suspect not all the CDs have this
skipping problem.
Since I am one of those flamers who dare to insist that there is some
problem on CD, I took responsibility to grab the faulty snippet to a wave
file and run a spectrum analyzer on it. I would share the actual music
fragment, but I don't think I am allowed to do this.
http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg
On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that _cannot_ be the
music, also there is also a sudden change in volume near the middle of the
fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen to it (which is exactly
what it is).
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia
At 07:58 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote:
> >John Vertical said:
> >
> >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--'
> >
> >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that
> >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?'
> >
>
>That was hilarious. :)
>
>-Morgan
It sure was. ;-)
Please more, something like 'Edgars private diary' :-)
Ramon
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From:
Falcon
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
At 11:01 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote:
>On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that _cannot_ be the
>music, also there is also a sudden change in volume near the middle of the
>fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen to it (which is exactly
>what it is).
Did you notice, that the music actually runs faster during the skips,as if
you were fast forwarding the cd ?
Another evidence that this is a faulty master, since the pressed cds play
flawlessly.
Ramon
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:48
pm
Subject: Yes, 'Cool at Heart' has skips in it. Deal with it.
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:01:56 -0800 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko'
writes:
>[. . .] I took responsibility to grab the faulty snippet to a
>wave file and run a spectrum analyzer on it. I would share the
>actual music fragment, but I don't think I am allowed to do
>this.
>
>http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg
>
>On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that
>_cannot_ be the music, also there is also a sudden change in
>volume near the middle of the fragment, that sounds like
>skipping when you listen to it (which is exactly what it is).
And yet, there will be Edgar Apologists who will maintain
otherwise because of their pathological need to do so. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 2:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
> I live an hour from there, but have never heard of this. Of course not being
> free, it counts me out instantly.
> But it does sound fun.
>
> Debra Wilson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
> Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the
> Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan).
Hi Debra,
If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at night.
Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or eating
the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only
charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be sorry!
Cheers,
Bill
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 3:47
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
OMG! That would be awsome! :-D
Debra Wilson
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Hi Debra,
If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at
night.
Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or
eating
the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only
charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be
sorry!
Cheers,
Bill
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
> If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at
night.
> Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or
eating
> the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only
> charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be
sorry!
Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There
has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world
class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in
January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003.
Vic
www.ricochetdream.com
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:55
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
I figured as much, but keep us posted!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:55 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
> If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at
night.
> Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or
eating
> the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only
> charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be
sorry!
Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There
has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world
class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in
January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003.
Vic
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
Keep us in tune on this. I plan on attending and maybe doing a bit of
playing as well.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
> > If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at
> night.
> > Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel
or
> eating
> > the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's
only
> > charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be
> sorry!
>
> Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free.
There
> has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world
> class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in
> January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th,
2003.
>
> Vic
> www.ricochetdream.com
>
>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:54
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
Maybe someone can slow down that 5 second portion 5000% and we'll be able to
hear a condensed version of the whole song 'Cool At Heart'. Sort of a hidden
song within a song... Tee hee... Ok, maybe I shouldn;t be on line this early
in the morning...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrei Stcherbatchenko [mailto:mobile@f...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:02 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
>
>
> > >I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds
> > >like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could
> > >mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
> >
> > I got my copy of the box (signed, #7 , thx!) just before I left for
> > Italy, and listened to it in the car. Even in that environment, when
> > these sounds came up, I, too, was 100% sure that they were not skips.
> >
> > Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with
> > the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error
> > correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the
> > sound.
> >
>
> Are we talking about the same issue? I suspect not all the CDs have this
> skipping problem.
>
> Since I am one of those flamers who dare to insist that there is some
> problem on CD, I took responsibility to grab the faulty snippet to a wave
> file and run a spectrum analyzer on it. I would share the actual music
> fragment, but I don't think I am allowed to do this.
>
> http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg
>
> On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that _cannot_ be the
> music, also there is also a sudden change in volume near the middle of the
> fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen to it (which
> is exactly
> what it is).
>
>
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 1:54
pm
Subject: Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart'
My neighbour has just aquired a new hi-fi system, comprising a Mark
Levinson CD player / digital pre-amp and a pair of active ATC SCM 20
ASL pro studio monitors. To get better quality, one would need to
spend upwards of £20 k.
Needless to say, I was around there like a shot with the Melrose set
and both our conclusions are that these are definitely skips on Cool
at Heart. At both points, you can clearly hear that the music fast-
forwards in time with the clicks (rather than visa versa as Edgar's
statement), and that the tempo does in fact break rank with the main
track's tempo. There were no errors on the tracking times or visible
on the disc.
Whether it is intentional or not, is not something anyone can answer
except Froese & Froese (and they already have said that it is). It
doesn't seem too out of place at the first instance as there are
already a number of high frequency synth sounds, but the second
occurance takes place in the middle of the gloriously peaceful
conclusion and seems very out of place.
It reminds me of dozing off by the fireside (with the Glenfiddich)
and then someone firing a gun through the window: a very rude
awakening!
TTFN,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Utch Entel' wrote:
> I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely,
> several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed
to be
> (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is
> definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is
> quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000)
>
> I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it
sounds
> like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone
could
> mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!).
>
> ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough
stereo to
> hear TD the way I get to...)
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:24 EST, quarlie@a... wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes:
> >
> >>I just received my set the other day, and the two
> >>skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that --
> >>skips, not intentional sound effects.
> >
> >Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a
reason why the
> >band would claim otherwise.
> >
> >--Daniel
> >NP: Kyoko Fukada - How?
>
>
> --------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
>
> I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. --Mark
Twain
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 2:54
am
Subject: New member!!
Welcome to the TD group Kim!!!!!
- Chris
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Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New member!!
Welcome Kim! :-) What are we up to now, 3 girls? lol
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...]
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:55 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] New member!!
Welcome to the TD group Kim!!!!!
- Chris
From:
Dan Downey
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia
I propose that Spike Jonze makes a sequel:
'Being Edgar Froese'
Plot: C. Franke discovers a way to to take over EFs
mind and invites all former TD members to have a turn.
Hilarity ensues.
This could explain it all! Of course the tough
decision would be who would get to do the soundtrack?
--- Falcon wrote:
> At 07:58 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote:
>
> > >John Vertical said:
> > >
> > >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from
> your fan list...--snip--'
> > >
> > >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did
> realize after all that
> > >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory
> Town?'
> > >
> >
> >That was hilarious. :)
> >
> >-Morgan
>
> It sure was. ;-)
>
> Please more, something like 'Edgars private diary'
> :-)
>
> Ramon
>
>
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From:
David Butler
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:11
pm
Subject: Conspiracy cont.
Amazing what you can do in Photoshop or Paint now and
pass off as an audio spectrum recording, did anyone
check this guys ID at the door. I suspect he may be
involved at some level....David
>http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg
>On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes
>that _cannot_ be the music, also there is also a
>sudden change in volume near the middle of the
>fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen
>to it (which is exactly what it is).
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Conspiracy cont.
resembles southern California fault systems, you know, the sharp uplift...
;-)
rrrr r r r r me thinks something is a misssssssss....
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Butler'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: [tadream] Conspiracy cont.
> Amazing what you can do in Photoshop or Paint now and
> pass off as an audio spectrum recording, did anyone
> check this guys ID at the door. I suspect he may be
> involved at some level....David
>
> >http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg
>
> >On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes
> >that _cannot_ be the music, also there is also a
> >sudden change in volume near the middle of the
> >fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen
> >to it (which is exactly what it is).
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Micke Stark Runsten'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:41
pm
Subject: test ignore
test
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 10:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears -
- a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I
need a drink...
Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people
welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here...
are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
being arse as usual?! ;-)
Welcome Kim, wherever you are.
--- Dan Downey wrote: > I
propose that Spike Jonze makes a sequel:
>
> 'Being Edgar Froese'
>
> Plot: C. Franke discovers a way to to take over EFs
> mind and invites all former TD members to have a
> turn.
> Hilarity ensues.
>
> This could explain it all! Of course the tough
> decision would be who would get to do the
> soundtrack?
>
> --- Falcon wrote:
> > At 07:58 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote:
> >
> > > >John Vertical said:
> > > >
> > > >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from
> > your fan list...--snip--'
> > > >
> > > >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers
> did
> > realize after all that
> > > >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory
> > Town?'
> > > >
> > >
> > >That was hilarious. :)
> > >
> > >-Morgan
> >
> > It sure was. ;-)
> >
> > Please more, something like 'Edgars private diary'
> > :-)
> >
> > Ramon
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
I vote on Yahoo...
based on experience
>>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> being arse as usual?! ;-)
As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits)
sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
> Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears -
> - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I
> need a drink...
> Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people
> welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> being arse as usual?! ;-)
>
> Welcome Kim, wherever you are.
>
> --- Dan Downey wrote: > I
> propose that Spike Jonze makes a sequel:
> >
> > 'Being Edgar Froese'
> >
> > Plot: C. Franke discovers a way to to take over EFs
> > mind and invites all former TD members to have a
> > turn.
> > Hilarity ensues.
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member
Yahoo = always gets the blame, and rightlyfulyl deserves it 90% of the time.
BS = 20 minute mix? Um.. please shoot me first!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:09 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
I vote on Yahoo...
based on experience
>>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> being arse as usual?! ;-)
As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits)
sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
> Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears -
> - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I
> need a drink...
> Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people
> welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> being arse as usual?! ;-)
>
> Welcome Kim, wherever you are.
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
what .cal would you like?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member
> Yahoo = always gets the blame, and rightlyfulyl deserves it 90% of the
time.
> BS = 20 minute mix? Um.. please shoot me first!
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
>
>
> I vote on Yahoo...
>
> based on experience
> >>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> > being arse as usual?! ;-)
>
> As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits)
> sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'.
>
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Jonathan Holt'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
>
>
> > Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears -
> > - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I
> > need a drink...
> > Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people
> > welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> > being arse as usual?! ;-)
> >
> > Welcome Kim, wherever you are.
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:19
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member
One that will do the job.. I don't want to here it as they drive me to the
hospital...lol.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:59 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
what .cal would you like?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member
> Yahoo = always gets the blame, and rightlyfulyl deserves it 90% of the
time.
> BS = 20 minute mix? Um.. please shoot me first!
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
>
>
> I vote on Yahoo...
>
> based on experience
> >>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> > being arse as usual?! ;-)
>
> As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits)
> sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'.
>
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Jonathan Holt'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member
>
>
> > Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears -
> > - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I
> > need a drink...
> > Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people
> > welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here...
> > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo!
> > being arse as usual?! ;-)
> >
> > Welcome Kim, wherever you are.
>
>
>
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From:
'Carlos Oliveira'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 8:55
am
Subject: Happy New 2003
Em brancoHi Friends...
So, my friends, raise a glass to welcome 2003 - much health and happiness in
the New Year - may we long enjoy our addiction to bootlegs, with a blessing of
GOD...
:-) !!!!!!!!!!!
Happy New Year
Carlos Oliveira from Portugal
caobe@n...
'Nothing can be done quickly and
prudently at the same time.'
Publilius Syrus (1st century B.C.), Roman writer
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From:
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:05
am
Subject: Happy New Year
Gelukkig Nieuw Jaar
Happy New Year,
Peace and Love
from the Netherlands to everyone
Bert
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy New Year
Happy New year to you all!!!!!!!
Paulus,d UK
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Subject: [tadream] Happy New Year
> Gelukkig Nieuw Jaar
>
> Happy New Year,
> Peace and Love
>
> from the Netherlands to everyone
>
> Bert
>
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 2:09
pm
Subject: Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium
>OK so lemme get this straight--we want unretouched classic concerts ' of TD
>released (even if there are no high frequencies left after possible baking
>before some kinda transfer to digital--clearly we won't b!tch about that).
If that's all they got, sure!
>Problem is the assumption is that TDs tapes are gonna sound better than
>audience tapes eventhough chances are TDs tapes are from soundboard feeds
>which may reflect the exaggeration/imbalances needed to get a concert PA
to
>sound somewhat decent in a given venue which is what's necessary in live
>performance, not the artifact that may be the soundboard recording. And
>then there are the problems with the recording media and the various work
>arounds/engineering feats (thanks TT's back room boys).
As someone who has done live sound, I'll bet TD's soundboard tapes sound
pretty darn good. The problem with SBD tapes from bands with vocals is that
vocals, acoustic guitars and other quieter sounds are made louder in the mix
to overcome the self-amped instruments, like electric guitars, keys, etc.,
so a SBD of, say, the Dead has overpowering vocals and barely audible
instruments (see Ithaca, NY 5/8/77) But since all of TD's instruments (with
very few exceptions)are self-amplified, the house mix I think would sound
pretty good and close to a mix made deliberately for recording.
Scott
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:06
pm
Subject: Happy new year!!!
Hi
I wish all a happy new year. Thanks for all the info and discussions
throughout the past year. Looking forward to a new year with lots of TT's,
DT's and hopefully lots of TD.
May you all have a wonderfull evening............
Regards
Jan
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
> > If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at
> night.
> > Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or
> eating
> > the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only
> > charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be
> sorry!
>
> Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There
> has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world
> class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in
> January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003.
Oops. Sorry for making that assumption, and in public, too. But thanks for
including me in the world class description. (Though I don't think of myself in
those terms.) AirScuplture, SSO, Arcane, FSP, Wolfram DER Spyra, Dave Brewer;
yes indeedy world class, absolutely! Just listen to their CDs and you'll hear
what I mean. Me? I have no CDs. I just lucked into appearing on Okefenokee
Dreams 2001 (and 2002).
Cheers,
Bill
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Bill Fox'
> Oops. Sorry for making that assumption, and in public, too. But thanks
for
> including me in the world class description. Me? I have no CDs.>
> Bill
You don't have to have CD's to be a world class musician.............=O)
Jan
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium
You might be right. It is hard to know without samples to compare. You are
so right on the facts. I have to go over this each and everytime I run sound
for bands. They always want a tape etc. Which means, one might need two
boards, some mikes out there on stage and so forth to do that recording. I
wont say it can't be done as I have done it myself, concert sound plus
recording. I try very hard not to get into that area behind the 8 ball that
much these days. Not to mention the pay isn't there to spend to much hand
wrangling... unless it's your wife....
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Scott'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:09 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing
medium
> >OK so lemme get this straight--we want unretouched classic concerts ' of
TD
> >released (even if there are no high frequencies left after possible
baking
> >before some kinda transfer to digital--clearly we won't b!tch about
that).
> If that's all they got, sure!
>
>
> >Problem is the assumption is that TDs tapes are gonna sound better than
> >audience tapes eventhough chances are TDs tapes are from soundboard feeds
> >which may reflect the exaggeration/imbalances needed to get a concert PA
> to
> >sound somewhat decent in a given venue which is what's necessary in live
> >performance, not the artifact that may be the soundboard recording. And
> >then there are the problems with the recording media and the various work
> >arounds/engineering feats (thanks TT's back room boys).
>
> As someone who has done live sound, I'll bet TD's soundboard tapes sound
> pretty darn good. The problem with SBD tapes from bands with vocals is
that
> vocals, acoustic guitars and other quieter sounds are made louder in the
mix
> to overcome the self-amped instruments, like electric guitars, keys, etc.,
> so a SBD of, say, the Dead has overpowering vocals and barely audible
> instruments (see Ithaca, NY 5/8/77) But since all of TD's instruments
(with
> very few exceptions)are self-amplified, the house mix I think would sound
> pretty good and close to a mix made deliberately for recording.
>
> Scott
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
no but any income in helps buy more stuff....
hehehe
rrrr more stuff.... yea get more stufffff.....rrrrr
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Pergamon'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Bill Fox'
> > Oops. Sorry for making that assumption, and in public, too. But thanks
> for
> > including me in the world class description. Me? I have no CDs.>
> > Bill
>
> You don't have to have CD's to be a world class musician.............=O)
>
> Jan
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:32
pm
Subject: Seasonal Greetings
Wishing you all a merry New Year - I'm just off to start getting merry!
Love and Hugs
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Seasonal Greetings
with in reason of course
Happy New years all... I am still at work right now, so I am not getting
merry for a while yet...
dale
..... rrrr me thinks me feels a bit of illl..... maybe a cold brew would be
better than watching computer screens
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: [tadream] Seasonal Greetings
> Wishing you all a merry New Year - I'm just off to start getting merry!
>
> Love and Hugs
>
> Marion
>
> 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it
needs
> to be ...' S. Blakemore
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 10:33
pm
Subject: Peter Baumann - The ANTS
I recall that Peter Baumann was an organist in his first band called THE
ANTS.
Does anyone know more about this band and if they ever released any music?
Happy New Year!
Vic
From:
'Nigel Pennington '
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:25
pm
Subject: wanted: writers for krautrocknet.com
Would any of you out there in cyberspace be interested in writing
for http://www.krautrocknet.com ?
There's no payment at this point in time but you will get CDs and
CDrs passed on to you for review.
The only real criteria, apart from some writing ability, will be
that www.krautrocknet.com is a vehicle for promoting new artists as
well as celebrating the old masters...
Have a Happy Neu! Year
Nigel Pennington
http://www.krautrocknet.com
http://w.webring.com/hub?ring=krautrock
Don't reply to this email, if you are interested use the address
below
npennington@k...
From:
'garywebb2003 '
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:13
am
Subject: Please help the thick
I am trying to add my name to the Database as a leaf for the 1-7 set
but it refuses me permission. What do you have to do to sign up for
the tree?
Derek
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 10:15
pm
Subject: Cosmos
Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar
Froese and Tangerine Dream?
I was wondering if it was worth picking?
> This reminds me...I just purchased Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' miniseries on
> DVD, and was delighted to hear Edgar's 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert'
> during episode 3. I seem to recall excerpts from Rubycon, Maroubra
> Bay and Metropolis being used in the show too. But the music was
> licensed for use (Virgin Records would have seen them in court,
> otherwise). Alas, None of the TD music was included on the show's
> soundtrack album.
Also, I heard of a new sampler that is out with a Tangerine Dream track.
All I know is that it contains the word 'X Files'? in it. Anyone heard of
this release?
Happy New Year!
Vic
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From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:24
pm
Subject: Re: Cosmos
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote:
> Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar
> Froese and Tangerine Dream?
> I was wondering if it was worth picking?
Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful
childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content,
but rather because I watched the series when it was originally
broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a
fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside
from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze,
Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd.
It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later.
Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the
collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back
when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about
the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the
progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's
effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious
enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any
impulse to giggle.
You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com
is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112
cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll
be further ahead.
From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:24
pm
Subject: Re: Cosmos
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote:
> Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar
> Froese and Tangerine Dream?
> I was wondering if it was worth picking?
Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful
childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content,
but rather because I watched the series when it was originally
broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a
fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside
from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze,
Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd.
It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later.
Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the
collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back
when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about
the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the
progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's
effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious
enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any
impulse to giggle.
You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com
is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112
cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll
be further ahead.
From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:22
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III
Hello everybody!
Just a little reminder that I'm currently taking sign-ups for the third
Dreamwatchers' Tales project. I'll take them until the end of next week
(January 11) and have a tree structure out the following week.
As in the past, this will be a redbook CDR tree only. Artwork available via
download.
Please send sign-up info (name, snail mail address, branch(with number of
leaves)/leaf) to trichmond@b...
Cheers!
Tom
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 11:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Cosmos
At 17:15 1-1-03 -0500, you wrote:
>Also, I heard of a new sampler that is out with a Tangerine Dream track.
>All I know is that it contains the word 'X Files'? in it. Anyone heard of
>this release?
Yes. It's called 'X-Rated, the electronic files' and it's a 2-CD.
It contains an excerpt of Phaedra.
You can see the complete tracklisting at www.groove.nl
Click on CATALOG and then on T
It's listed under: Tangerine Dream & others
* * * * * All the best wishes for 2003 * * * * *
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
PO Box 2171
NL-8203 AD Lelystad
Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
http://www.groove.nl
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:56
pm
Subject: German > English translation needed
I'm looking for one or two people to translate a short peice of text (about 350
words) from German to English. The text will be part of the Tangerine Tree #3
artwork. Anyone willing to volunteer, please contact me off-list.
Thanks!
Maff
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 11:47
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Cosmos/X-Files
I heard that the Import of X-Files has an Oldfield Track (Tubular Bells
mixed with the X-files theme). I haven't heard the track but would like to.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 5:15 PM
> To: TD List
> Subject: [tadream] Cosmos
>
>
>
> Also, I heard of a new sampler that is out with a Tangerine Dream track.
> All I know is that it contains the word 'X Files'? in it.
> Anyone heard of
> this release?
>
> Happy New Year!
> Vic
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cosmos
Cosmos- a fantastic, almost forgotten programme!
Carl Sagan was my hero back then in the 80's.
That album is still in my collection now on LP and, like many was the start
of EM loving!!!!!!!
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Cosmos
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote:
> > Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar
> > Froese and Tangerine Dream?
> > I was wondering if it was worth picking?
>
> Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful
> childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content,
> but rather because I watched the series when it was originally
> broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a
> fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside
> from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze,
> Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd.
>
> It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later.
> Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the
> collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back
> when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about
> the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the
> progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's
> effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious
> enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any
> impulse to giggle.
>
> You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com
> is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112
> cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll
> be further ahead.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 9:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] German > English translation needed
Hi,
I volunteer to translate. Native German, living in (Northern) Ireland for 7
years,
meaning that I know some sort of wee English so it is... ;-)
armin
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
> I'm looking for one or two people to translate a short peice of text (about
350
> words) from German to English. The text will be part of the Tangerine Tree #3
> artwork. Anyone willing to volunteer, please contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Maff
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 9:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cosmos
Hi,
do you or does anybody know what Froese/TD/Schulze tracks these are?
armin
'Sean Montgomery ' wrote:
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote:
> > Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar
> > Froese and Tangerine Dream?
> > I was wondering if it was worth picking?
>
> Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful
> childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content,
> but rather because I watched the series when it was originally
> broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a
> fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside
> from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze,
> Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd.
>
> It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later.
> Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the
> collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back
> when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about
> the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the
> progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's
> effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious
> enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any
> impulse to giggle.
>
> You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com
> is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112
> cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll
> be further ahead.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 3:01
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #302 for January 2, 2003
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #302 January 2, 2003.
RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star in the
spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Soundfall to the Infinite'
by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Irrlicht' by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label.
Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze Sate Ebene Irrlicht (Ohr)
Erez Yaary Downfall of a Man Retrospective (none)
Eppie E. Hulshof * Floating Waves (Quantum)
Douglas Burkett A Comforting Void Alien Radio (Electric
Insomniac)
Under the Dome C-57D Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Under the Dome Altair IV Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Navigator Leaves on the Line Northern Consequence
(Invisible Shadows)
Ozone Player Ollism E (Visual Power)
12:00 am
Zero Ohms and Beyond Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane Space for Music)
Zero Ohms and The Dream Garden Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane Space for Music)
Zero Ohms and Endless Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane Space for Music)
Zero Ohms and Land of Blue Mist Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane Space for Music)
Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane Space for Music)
Zero Ohms and To the Infinite Soundfall to the Infinite
Brannan Lane Space for Music)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Deep Unknown' by Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana
on the brannanlane.com label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze on Island
Records.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 11:59
pm
Subject: piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream'
anyone know what this is about?
'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001)
Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ???
--T
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 2:09
pm
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 4, 2003
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The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
Show #14 January 4, 2003.
PLAYLIST:
Phase I/Space:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Craig Padilla Folding Space Folding Space and Melting
Galaxies (Space for Music)
Nebula Drone Moving Back to Liquid A Long Fade Into Virtual
Dreams Light (Space for Music)
Thought Guild Semiatic Sequence [context] (HRR)
Under the Dome Solar Gravity Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Bjorn Lynne Crystal Vista Colony (none)
Phase II/Eclectic:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Terry Oldfield Guardian Angel Turning Point (New Earth)
Judith Lynne Dunlore Road to Linsvardoon Afternoon Shade (SSS)
Antony De Gennaro Into Forever Legends in Stone (none)
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Wayne Lytle Stick Figures Animusic (Animusic)
Simon Apple On the Shoreline From the Toybox (none)
IZZ I Get Lost Sliver of a Sun (Doone Records)
Spock's Beard Made Alive/Overture Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard Stranger in a Strange Snow (Inside Out)
Land
Spock's Beard Long Time Suffering Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard Welcome to NYC Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard Love Beyond Words * Snow (Inside Out)
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 18.
Bill
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From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 3:41
pm
Subject: Re: Cosmos
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Armin Theissen
wrote:
>
> do you or does anybody know what Froese/TD/Schulze tracks these are?
I thought that question might come up. Well, I haven't had time to
watch all 13 episodes, so I can't confirm if all of these songs are on
the DVD release...but according to the original music cue sheets
(http://www.cix.co.uk/~nleacy/rmn_faq/cosmos.txt), the following
TD-related tracks were used:
Episode 3
Drunken Mozart in the Desert - Froese
Episode 4
A Dali-esque Sleep Fuse - Froese
Episode 5
Tropic of Capricorn - Froese
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - Froese
Episode 9
Maroubra Bay - Froese
Timewind - Schulze
Episode 10
Metropolis - Froese
Episode 11
Maroubra Bay - Froese
Rubycon Part One - TD
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream'
This sounds interesting - where did you hear about it?
----- Original Message -----
From: tei waz
To: ;
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream'
> anyone know what this is about?
>
> 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001)
>
> Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ???
>
> --T
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From:
Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 4:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream'
Wow! Please tell us a little bit more about that item.
The name Piotr Cichocki is the Polish one, I'm sure.
cheers
Jarek 'Jerry'
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:00 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h...
> Subject: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream'
>
>
> anyone know what this is about?
>
> 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001)
>
> Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ???
>
> --T
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From:
'Gary '
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:37
pm
Subject: Tangerine Trees help
I received an e-mail about the trees and it seems I joined too late
to be included for any of the lists. I now throw myself at the feet
of the group for anyone to help me play catch up with any discs that
have been released. I live near Manchester in England, so if anyone
can help me with any of the discs, or all of them lol, I would be
grateful.
Derek
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 6:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Trees help
Check the tree database on the list homepage to see if anyone is near you. I
am sure someone will be contacting you.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:37 AM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Trees help
> I received an e-mail about the trees and it seems I joined too late
> to be included for any of the lists. I now throw myself at the feet
> of the group for anyone to help me play catch up with any discs that
> have been released. I live near Manchester in England, so if anyone
> can help me with any of the discs, or all of them lol, I would be
> grateful.
> Derek
>
>
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From:
'esculap'
Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 7:56
pm
Subject: Re:piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream'
> From: 'tei waz'
> anyone know what this is about?
> 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001)
> Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ???
Look there:
http://www.metmusic.net/about.html
The music is composed by Thomas Dowrie, not TD :-((
Dream on,
Andy
From:
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 2:29
am
Subject: Artwork needed
Hello my friends,
I received the following shows in a trade, but cannot find any artwork
anywhere. Is there anyone on my lists here that might have them, or know where
I can get them???
Klaus Schulze - Nijmegen 21 Nov 1981
Kraftwork - Computersinfonin, Karlsruhe - 18 Oct 1997 - 2CD
Mike Oldfield - Paris 12 July 1999 - 2CD
Thanks
Neal
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 7:23
am
Subject: piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' plot
'Piotr's film is a cute little short about a 12-yr. old girl who sees an ad
in the local paper for sweet, juicy tangerines, tries to go buy them at the
store, doesn't have enough change, is very sad, goes home, dreams all about
tangerines that night, and the next day awakes to find them magically
stacked up on her bed waiting for her to eat...'
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 12:49
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
I just noticed that my TD Webring
(http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th
visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the
first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets
a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just
finished a couple of days ago:
'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's
(aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
ready, steady, go!
Heiko
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From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 12:44
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
And The Answer is IRIS CAMAA 'IRISPIRATION'
Robert Asmus
-----Original Message-----
From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:50 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little
contest
I just noticed that my TD Webring
(http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th
visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the
first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets
a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just
finished a couple of days ago:
'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's
(aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
ready, steady, go!
Heiko
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 1:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-list) was
Stephen M. from the UK.
> I just noticed that my TD Webring
> (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th
> visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
>
> So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the
> first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets
> a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just
> finished a couple of days ago:
>
> 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's
> (aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
>
> ready, steady, go!
>
> Heiko
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 12:49
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
Woo hooo!
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen
wrote:
> ..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-
list) was
> Stephen M. from the UK.
>
>
> > I just noticed that my TD Webring
> > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its
10.000th
> > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
> >
> > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise:
the
> > first person who gives the correct answer to my following
question gets
> > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I
just
> > finished a couple of days ago:
> >
> > 'What's the title of Iris
Kulterer's
> > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
> >
> > ready, steady, go!
> >
> > Heiko
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From:
Mr Paul Dryden
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 1:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
>CWhat was the answer?, for all us thickies out here!!!!!!!!
Paulus.d
..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-list) was
> Stephen M. from the UK.
>
>
> > I just noticed that my TD Webring
> > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.
000th
> > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
> >
> > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the
> > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question
gets
> > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I
just
> > finished a couple of days ago:
> >
> > 'What's the title of Iris
Kulterer's
> > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
> >
> > ready, steady, go!
> >
> > Heiko
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/
terms/
>
>
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> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/
terms/
>
>
>
--
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 1:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
> >CWhat was the answer?, for all us thickies out here!!!!!!!!
oh my, you're right! It was 'IRISPIRATION'
>
>
> Paulus.d
>
> ..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-list) was
>
> > Stephen M. from the UK.
> >
> >
> > > I just noticed that my TD Webring
> > > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.
> 000th
> > > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
> > >
> > > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the
>
> > > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question
> gets
> > > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I
> just
> > > finished a couple of days ago:
> > >
> > > 'What's the title of Iris
> Kulterer's
> > > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
> > >
> > > ready, steady, go!
> > >
> > > Heiko
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/
> terms/
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/
> terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
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>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 3:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] contest + Iris
I saw the answer before I saw the question!
Never mind, a week or so ago I was fortunate enough to
get an email from Iris... :-)
I shall treasure it.
V.Happy Jonnyboy.
>
> 'What's the
> title of Iris Kulterer's
> (aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
>
> ready, steady, go!
>
> Heiko
>
>
>
>
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From:
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 8:30
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork needed
I've got the complete artwork for Computersinfonien. Can send it by email.
Jarek 'Jerry'
mailto:jarek@w...
Visit my websites at:
http://www.tangerinedream.pl/
http://www.klausmusic.pl/
http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: strat95@b... [mailto:strat95@b...]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:30 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Artwork needed
>
>
> Hello my friends,
>
> I received the following shows in a trade, but cannot find
> any artwork anywhere. Is there anyone on my lists here that
> might have them, or know where I can get them???
>
> Klaus Schulze - Nijmegen 21 Nov 1981
> Kraftwork - Computersinfonin, Karlsruhe - 18 Oct 1997 - 2CD
> Mike Oldfield - Paris 12 July 1999 - 2CD
>
>
> Thanks
> Neal
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
From:
jerome
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:14
am
Subject: [tadream] TT3
hey, joe...
as i can't edit my record in the database, can you update me for the TT3
database showing that i've received my disks and that my supplier was heiko h.
thanks!
jerome
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 11:23
am
Subject: mars polaris mispressing and more
hi all
i am having to let go most of my TD collection due to unforseen problems.
most of the ones i am selling are very rare to come by,
EG
Mars polaris misspressing
Desert train
Goblins club advance pressing.
please feel free to email me off list for a copy of my excel file staing the
minimum amount i will accept for these cds, all prices are in GBP
Thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
MSN Messenger dmckee20@h...
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From:
'Gary '
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:59
am
Subject: Tangerine Trees Thank you to all
Since I wrote in to try and catch up with the trees, I have been
flooded with mail from people wanting to help me. I have had lots of
offers and between many people I am hoping to catch up with them all.
Once again, to all who rushed to my rescue, I thank you all from the
bottom of my heart.
Derek
From:
'David Wakefield'
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:54
am
Subject: Astoria Concert
Hi,
I am new to the forum but not to TD. In fact I was just cleaning our my
wardrobe
and found my concert t-shirt from 1986 that I bought at the Victoria Hall,
Hanley
concert.
Anyway I thought I would say hello and ask a quick question.
I am going to the Astoria concert and on the forum that was on the TD site
someone
recommended a hotel near the venue. Can someone point me to the hotel or
recommend
one?
Ta Dave W
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From:
'theta2.geo '
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 12:32
pm
Subject: new Johannes Schmoelling-CD!
Hello!
Viktoriapark-records (Johannes Schmoelling's own label) is proud to
present its second release:
Dirk Josczok und Johannes Schmoelling - 'Laufen'
(Viktoriapark VP 02-2)
'Laufen' is a radioplay in German language, written by Dirk Josczok
with sounds, music & production by Johannes Schmoelling.
For detailed informations about the CD please visit our website
http://www.johannesschmoelling.de
For ordering details please visit our site 'CD-Shop' and/ or write an
email to order@j...
All the best for 2003 to you all from
Johannes Schmoelling
&
Andreas Hedler
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:04
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree
Hello to all,
I am a long time fan of Tangerine Dream and I have heard about Tangerine
Tree.
On the web I have found
http://www.tadream.net/tree/
My questions are:
Where can I get it ?
Are the files only playable on a computer or is it playable on other
equipment (CD-Playaer, ord DVE with mp3)?
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:51
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree
>From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
>
>Hello to all,
>
>I am a long time fan of Tangerine Dream and I have heard about Tangerine
>Tree.
>On the web I have found
>
>http://www.tadream.net/tree/
>
>My questions are:
>
>Where can I get it ?
You trade either other concert recordings or blank CDs+postage with someone
else here on the list to get them.
>Are the files only playable on a computer or is it playable on other
>equipment (CD-Playaer, ord DVE with mp3)?
The Tangerine Tree is available in 2 formats:
the first is 'Redbook' which is just the technical name for an ordinary
audio CD just like any music CD you would buy in the store.
the second is 'SHN' which is a 'packaged' format that guarantees (through
an error checking system) that your copies are identical to the original
even if you have a 10th generation copy of the CDs. SHN is only playable on
a computer. SHN is considered archival quality because you are immediately
aware if there are any problems copying a scratched/faded SHN CD. There are
several tools for converting SHN back to WAV so that ordinary audio CDs can
be burned.
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'gkopuy '
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:18
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree 3
Hi,
I'm curious who and when will be the assignment made of the branches
and leaves of the TT3 database?
Is there also a seek preview of the Artwork???
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 11:56
pm
Subject: TT3 covers preview
From:
> I'm curious who and when will be the assignment made of the branches
> and leaves of the TT3 database?
A few of the main branches have received copies of TT3 (including myself, and I
must say the Tree keeps getting better with each edition), and distribution
should start shortly, as soon as the database is updated.
> Is there also a seek preview of the Artwork???
You can take a look at a few of the covers in development here:
http://tdtree.blackaxis.co.uk/preview/
Remember, they're previews, so no printing yet.
Maff
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 12:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
From:
> Where can I get it ?
Just to add to what Morgan said, if you're looking for copies of previous Tree
releases you'll need to post a request here offering either a CDR trade or
alternatively asking for someone to do a blanks and postage arrangement for you.
The previous trees which have finished being distributed through the group are
Tangerine Tree #1, Tangerine Tree #2, the Classic Tree and the Digital
Soundtrack Collection.
However, for the tree currently in operation (Tangerine Tree #3), you can sign
up on the group database as a branch (which means you're willing to make copies
and supply them to other people in the tree), or a leaf (you are unable to make
copies).
Go to the database here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
Select the TT3 database and sign up with your details.
Then keep an eye on the group for TT3 announcements.
Maff
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 12:34
am
Subject: Classic Tree update
All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many people
have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how the
discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their copies by
now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three on
Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a problem
with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully should
be fixed shortly).
You can see your level here:
http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went as
smoothly as it apparently has :-).
Maff
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 12:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update
Evil Dale is behind. I am making time this weekend to get them all out for
those who have contacted me.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree update
> All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many
people
> have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how
the
> discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their
copies by
> now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three
on
> Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a
problem
> with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully
should
> be fixed shortly).
>
> You can see your level here:
> http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
>
> So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went
as
> smoothly as it apparently has :-).
>
>
> Maff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update
From: 'Administrator'
> Evil Dale is behind. I am making time this weekend to get them all out for
> those who have contacted me.
I'm not trying to put any heat on the Branches btw (and my estimations on how
the tree is progressing were probably a little optimistic given Christmas and
New Years). Just curious to know how things are progressing.
Maff
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update
I thought I had signed up for this Tree. Am I too late? I can be contacted
via johnm@p...
It's probably best if I'm a leaf, although I could be a branch if you want
an extra one.
Thanks,
John Marchington
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update
> Evil Dale is behind. I am making time this weekend to get them all out for
> those who have contacted me.
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:34 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree update
>
>
> > All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many
> people
> > have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how
> the
> > discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their
> copies by
> > now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or
three
> on
> > Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a
> problem
> > with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully
> should
> > be fixed shortly).
> >
> > You can see your level here:
> > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
> >
> > So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree
went
> as
> > smoothly as it apparently has :-).
> >
> >
> > Maff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Kevin Bailey
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:27
am
Subject: Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
Hi everyone..Im am new to this list and I am 23 years
old and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I
was a small boy...Ive been seeing all this stuff about
the tangerine tree....what is it and how do I get in
on it????
Thanx much....Kevin
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From:
'David Wakefield'
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 3:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
Morgan,
sorry to but in
but how do I get on the tree? I have sent an email requesting to be a leaf,
but no response
yet. Shall I wait or just look up the spreedsheet and email someone local
off it?
Ta Dave W
-------Original Message-------
From: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 14:54:53
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
>From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
>
>Hello to all,
>
>I am a long time fan of Tangerine Dream and I have heard about Tangerine
>Tree.
>On the web I have found
>
>http://www.tadream.net/tree/
>
>My questions are:
>
>Where can I get it ?
You trade either other concert recordings or blank CDs+postage with someone
else here on the list to get them.
>Are the files only playable on a computer or is it playable on other
>equipment (CD-Playaer, ord DVE with mp3)?
The Tangerine Tree is available in 2 formats:
the first is 'Redbook' which is just the technical name for an ordinary
audio CD just like any music CD you would buy in the store.
the second is 'SHN' which is a 'packaged' format that guarantees (through
an error checking system) that your copies are identical to the original
even if you have a 10th generation copy of the CDs. SHN is only playable on
a computer. SHN is considered archival quality because you are immediately
aware if there are any problems copying a scratched/faded SHN CD. There are
several tools for converting SHN back to WAV so that ordinary audio CDs can
be burned.
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
Tangerine Tree info at
http://www.tadream.net/tree
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.
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
Welcome Kevin
You can visit the http://www.tadream.net/tree/default.htm where you can
find info on the TT (tangerine tree).
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Kevin Bailey'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:27 AM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
> Hi everyone..Im am new to this list and I am 23 years
> old and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I
> was a small boy...Ive been seeing all this stuff about
> the tangerine tree....what is it and how do I get in
> on it????
> Thanx much....Kevin
>
> =====
>
>
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>
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>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
From: 'David Wakefield'
> but how do I get on the tree? I have sent an email requesting to be a leaf,
> but no response
I think it's time we had a regularly updated Tree FAQ's to point people towards,
so I'm off to write one today.
In the meantime, the best way is to go to the Tadream group database page here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
Click the TT3 database and enter your details to sign up.
Maff
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
From: 'Pergamon'
> You can visit the http://www.tadream.net/tree/default.htm where you can
> find info on the TT (tangerine tree).
This info is considerably out of date though, mostly applying to TT1. It should
give you an idea of what the Tree is though.
Maff
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview
> > Is there also a seek preview of the Artwork???
>
>
>You can take a look at a few of the covers in development here:
>
>http://tdtree.blackaxis.co.uk/preview/
>
>Remember, they're previews, so no printing yet.
>
>
>Maff
Booklets, eh? With a home printer? Will these require a bookpressing quick
course or does this simply mean one-sided pages..?
Volume 20 cover art looks especially great.. but is the front cover really
similar to back cover of vol.7 or is it just me?
John Vertical
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:07
am
Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
Hello, Kevin and Dreamers,
> (...) and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I
> was a small boy (...)
You lucky boy ;o))
Greetings from France...
Fred
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:10
am
Subject: some Classic Tree comments
Okay, it shall not be silent anymore about CT...
After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman I wonder no more that it was
overdubbed - such a lame effort. TT vol. 10 is lightyears ahead, so why did
Edgar choose this show for Sohoman?
On the other hand, I though that the first quarter (up to Ayers Majectic)
was heavily overdubbed too, but apparently not?
Live Improvised sounds interesting and technically much less primitive than
TT volumes 2, 7, 9 or the other early shows I've heard. Some of the
Mellotron passages could well be from a 76 show...
The 2nd set is more experimental than the first, which has some obviously
classical veins.
Of Antarktis and 20th C. Serenades I find the latter better. I like this
live version of Ride On A Ray more than the studio one; it also ends with a
nice flute solo, reminescent of Mt. Shasta. Another reminescence was the
choral intro into the over-extended version of Canyon Voices - this intro
bears some resemblance to the intro of Livemiles.. Albuquerque Concert!
The bits that have been released on Livemiles are not too impressive here
(quite slow) though Velvet Autumn (opening track on 20thCS, 2nd movement on
Livemiles) has some creepy big percussion; also, Yellowstone Park, Tyger and
Smile don't really work without the vocals.
There was little new or different-from-studio material on these volumes, but
that little (Ride on a Ray, Scuba Scuba, piano solo and the preceding track)
was OK.
...and that's it about the volumes I picked.
John Vertical
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview
From: 'John Vertical'
> Booklets, eh? With a home printer? Will these require a bookpressing quick
> course or does this simply mean one-sided pages..?
With a decent printer and some nice paper (glossy sheets for the front, thin
card sheets for the inside) you should be able to print on both sides. It's
really just an optional extra, but I think it's rather neat :-).
> Volume 20 cover art looks especially great.. but is the front cover really
> similar to back cover of vol.7 or is it just me?
Well spotted :-). Same image, though for vol 7 I put it through a filter. I
think both variations are distinctive enough on their own.
Maff
From:
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:15
pm
Subject: ElektroBeats Poll 2002
hello all,
the german 'ElektroBeats' Radio Show at Radio 1
broadcast today (11 pm to 01 am)
the Top 20 of the year 2002.
No. 2: Tangerine Dream - Inferno
Cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://ww.opticaldream.de
No. 1: Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 6:18
pm
Subject: TDI guestbook
Appears to be taken out of service again.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 6:21
pm
Subject: Re: TDI guestbook
Not surprising - there were tirades once again, some coming from new
names. Just a repeat of the forum. Great shame.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Michael Jean'
wrote:
> Appears to be taken out of service again.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview
> > Booklets, eh? With a home printer? Will these require a bookpressing
>quick
> > course or does this simply mean one-sided pages..?
>
>
>With a decent printer and some nice paper (glossy sheets for the front,
>thin
>card sheets for the inside) you should be able to print on both sides. It's
>really just an optional extra, but I think it's rather neat :-).
oooooo... that sounds compilkated... ;-)
Well frankly, that sounds great, but I hope that the design doesn't require
the 'optional' stuff if someone doesn't want them.
John Vertical
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview
From: 'John Vertical'
> Well frankly, that sounds great, but I hope that the design doesn't require
> the 'optional' stuff if someone doesn't want them.
Nope. You can have either.
Maff
From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:42
pm
Subject: TDI Guestbook
Well its gone again,i tried to warn these pathetic obnoxious
creatures earlier this week that if they kept up their tirade of
complete tripe,the guestbook was history,low and behold,POP its
gone.The complete b#$@&*%s who have dug up this crap again should be $
%&*@# with a ragmans trumpet,i respect that this is TDI,S site and
that they dont want their web space mis-used,but surely deleting
these messages would be much less harder on the GENUINE TD fan than a
complete shutdown,why let these B##$%@s... win.
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Guestbook
Perhaps it would seem but they must do what they must. I would like to point
out that it is once again, a handful who spoil for the masses.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: [tadream] TDI Guestbook
> Well its gone again,i tried to warn these pathetic obnoxious
> creatures earlier this week that if they kept up their tirade of
> complete tripe,the guestbook was history,low and behold,POP its
> gone.The complete b#$@&*%s who have dug up this crap again should be $
> %&*@# with a ragmans trumpet,i respect that this is TDI,S site and
> that they dont want their web space mis-used,but surely deleting
> these messages would be much less harder on the GENUINE TD fan than a
> complete shutdown,why let these B##$%@s... win.
>
>
>
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Vincent Goudreault
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1636
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:34:20 -0000
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
Subject: Classic Tree update
All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many
people
have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how the
discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their copies
by
now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three
on
Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a
problem
with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully
should
be fixed shortly).
You can see your level here:
http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm
So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went
as
smoothly as it apparently has :-).
Maff
Well, I am waiting to receive the CD's from Morgan, who did not contact me
yet with what he wants/is acceptable in trade. I presume with the holidays
and
all he fell a bit behind, but if the quality is there, I am a patient guy.
Of course, this forces my leaves to be patient too...
By the way, TT3's art is just plain stunning, as were the ones before. If
the
music is on par with the cover art, the band may as well pick it up and
distribute it!
Regards
CBVG
From:
'Martin Mckee '
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:41
am
Subject: Tree Artwork Compliments
Great Job on the TT3 Covers! ( I like the Palais du sport font!)
I'd like to compliment all the artists, Maff.. and
(gustavo? is it), as well for all of the tree artwork..
(favorite of mine is Paris Bataclan)..
Just one question, does anyone have a 'Prefered' method of
printing these jewel case inserts, strangely enough, the only
program that has actually delivered acceptable results
for me is Adobe PhotoDeluxe 1.0 !
I have ACDSee, which I cannot get to work properly..it
will print, but the sizing is always inconsistent..
Any suggestions appreciated!
Thanks,
Martin M.
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 2:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDI guestbook
My friend, Dexy, has a band called corporation:blend.
You should go to their website
www.corporationblend.com. Have a look at their
guestbook.
Now, Martin K has explained very well about the
standards TD expects from postings on the guestbook
and forum (may they rest in peace) and I do respect
that. BUT CB's guestbook is my idea of a great,
relaxed, anything goes atmosphere that the band gets
involved in and if someone says something bad/crazy
etc. they don't give a f**k! I hope one day they'll be
huge.
Cheers!
Jonnyboy.
--- 'billythefish01 '
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there were tirades once again, some
> coming from new
> names. Just a repeat of the forum. Great shame.
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> >
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:34
am
Subject: Antwort: [tadream] ElektroBeats Poll 2002
Hallo Heiko,
sorry to say, but your link http://ww.opticaldream.de is not correct.
You have only two w's but need three w's, so I think
http://www.opticaldream.de works fine.
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
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Thema: [tadream] ElektroBeats Poll 2002
hello all,
the german 'ElektroBeats' Radio Show at Radio 1
broadcast today (11 pm to 01 am)
the Top 20 of the year 2002.
No. 2: Tangerine Dream - Inferno
Cheers
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://ww.opticaldream.de
No. 1: Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:04
am
Subject: Information / Question
Hello folks,
my start to be a Tangerine Dream fan was a TV-Show in Germany in the 70's.
I'm not sure but I mean the title of was 'All you need ist love'.
This show was a story about popular music from the 50's/60's to the
present.
This show was telecasted over lot of weeks.
In one show there was the part of the 70's and a small story about
Tangerine Dream (Cathedrale Reims)
and their albums Phaedra, Rubycon, etc.
Does anyone knows about this shows, maybe only German people can answer
this question.
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree Artwork Compliments
I use Paint Shop Pro 7.04 AE and providing I remember to set the Scale to
100 (percent, that is) in the Page Setup window before printing, I get
superb results every time, with both the rear panel and insert artwork size
always ideal when I trim to the corner markings provided. (I've only just
started doing the printing for TT2 and actually forgot to check the scaling
and wondered why the real panel printout for volume 9 was so small. When I
checked on the Page Setup settings, I found the scaling was set to 73%. I
must have been doing a printout that required size reduction. Anyway,
changing that to 100% fixed the problem completely).
I run the blunt side of a retractable box cutter blade across the two rear
panel fold markings before doing the actual trimming and find I end up with
a nice, clean fold at each end. I've been using the heavier, semi-gloss
photo paper for the actual inserts.
It all ends up looking really professional, and having a modern high
resolution inkjet printer helps too, of course.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tree Artwork Compliments
> Great Job on the TT3 Covers! ( I like the Palais du sport font!)
>
> I'd like to compliment all the artists, Maff.. and
> (gustavo? is it), as well for all of the tree artwork..
> (favorite of mine is Paris Bataclan)..
>
> Just one question, does anyone have a 'Prefered' method of
> printing these jewel case inserts, strangely enough, the only
> program that has actually delivered acceptable results
> for me is Adobe PhotoDeluxe 1.0 !
> I have ACDSee, which I cannot get to work properly..it
> will print, but the sizing is always inconsistent..
>
> Any suggestions appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
ampmusic
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1637
> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:04:27 +0100
> From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
> Subject: Information / Question
>
> Hello folks,
>
> my start to be a Tangerine Dream fan was a TV-Show in Germany in the 70's.
> I'm not sure but I mean the title of was 'All you need ist love'.
> This show was a story about popular music from the 50's/60's to the
> present.
> This show was telecasted over lot of weeks.
> In one show there was the part of the 70's and a small story about
> Tangerine Dream (Cathedrale Reims)
> and their albums Phaedra, Rubycon, etc.
> Does anyone knows about this shows, maybe only German people can answer
> this question.
>
> Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
>
> Edgar Rainer Berberich
'All You Need Is Love' was a TV history of pop music made in the UK by Tony
Palmer.
Palmer had also been responsible for filming Tangerine Dream in concert at
Coventry
Cathedral in 1975.
The interesting point though is that when the Coventry show was broadcast on
TV, all the
music was stripped off and one and a half sides of 'Ricochet' overdubbed
instead.
It was already difficult enough for people unfamiliar with electronic
instruments to
understand how TD got their sounds and effects. With the wrong music used,
no-one's hands
moved in time with the music, the visuals didn't really sync up, and the end
result was
pretty confusing.
It was stated around the time that the original sound tapes had been lost or
damaged, but
it's more likely that the original Coventry music was thought too boring and
abstract for
the TV audience, and the 'Ricochet' music was slightly more accessible and
promoted the
band's current album in a more obvious way.
But when around 20 seconds of the show were included in 'All You Need Is Love',
you can
hear a tiny section of the original Coventry music (so it wasn't lost after
all). Even
within that short clip, there are 2 sound edits to make the music develop a
little more
quickly.
If you have a video of the Coventry broadcast, and a recording of the original
(much more
sedate) music, try playing them together, with the TV sound turned down. Even
if they
don't sync up perfectly, the pace of the TV pictures (which feature effects
generated by
the rare EMS 'Spectron' video synthesizer) suddenly begins to make much more
sense. A
much more enjoyable experience. But it would probably have put the average TV
viewer to
sleep :-)
For those who missed the 1975 cathedral concerts (errrrrr...after all it was 28
years
ago) and can get to London, there are several chances to experience classic
electronic
music in a spectacular church setting during 2003. Go to;
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html
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From:
'rtol008 '
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:56
pm
Subject: Re: Information / Question
I remember seeing this series in Finnish television back in the early
80's (or earlier?)
I have this TD part in video but haven't watched it for a long time.
If I remember right TD's appearance was quite short. What was trange
was those hysterical young girls standing in the audience, guards
trying to calm them down.
They showed short part of TD and then these girls, back to TD and then
girls again. Like those were from the same show.
Finally they showed the whole audience from the actual concert,
peacefully sitting on their chairs, showing the behaviour of the real
audience. Why did they mix these totally different events.
Correct me if I remember wrong.
-timo-
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, edgar-rainer.berberich@g... wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> my start to be a Tangerine Dream fan was a TV-Show in Germany in the
70's.
> I'm not sure but I mean the title of was 'All you need ist love'.
> This show was a story about popular music from the 50's/60's to the
> present.
> This show was telecasted over lot of weeks.
> In one show there was the part of the 70's and a small story about
> Tangerine Dream (Cathedrale Reims)
> and their albums Phaedra, Rubycon, etc.
> Does anyone knows about this shows, maybe only German people can answer
> this question.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
>
> Edgar Rainer Berberich
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 2:15
pm
Subject: Antwort: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1637
Thanx very much,,
I remember it was from Tony Palmer with German Synchronistion.
It was great. And after this series i bought my first TD album.
It was RUBYCON.
So is there anyone who have this on video ?
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
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From:
'dsserfozo '
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:20
pm
Subject: Help for addiction...CT and DSC
Being new to this group, but not to TD (I bought Phaedra on vinyl new
right after it came out, guessing I was the only 13 yr old in
California with it) I need help as a leaf from a branch for the
Classic Tree and Digital Soundtrack Collection. Any kind souls out
there? Thanks...Dave
From:
'David Wakefield'
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:17
am
Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
I started way back in the mid 70's listening to my brothers record
collection. I can
still remember listening to my first TD LP which was Rubycon when I was
about 13
and have been hooked ever since.
Dave W
-------Original Message-------
From: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:06:55
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
Hello, Kevin and Dreamers,
> (...) and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I
> was a small boy (...)
You lucky boy ;o))
Greetings from France...
Fred
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:01
pm
Subject: tdi no forums no guestbook...
Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of td.org if
there's neither a guestbook nor forums section?
Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get that elusive
'ruling the waves' correction or ?...
--T
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook...
It is remind us of our punshment.
;-)
All jokes aside, I hope they will make it functional again. I don't agree
with it not being monitored and moderated. I feel it needs to be. It's a
business after all. Just a little note before you sign up that reflects that
would be fine. If you then feel the need to go beyond that, then your post
and you go off. Now where the questions and sarcasm cross, I would have to
leave that to Martin or TD's office etc. It's not my judgment call.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
Subject: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook...
> Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of td.org if
> there's neither a guestbook nor forums section?
>
> Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get that elusive
> 'ruling the waves' correction or ?...
>
> --T
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:50
pm
Subject: Just a little DwT pics reminder
Hello, Dreamers,
I send again the link for the DwT III picture art by Yannick Edom :
Please go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y
Best Regards,
Fred
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From:
'corporalcripp '
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:55
pm
Subject: TT3 Question
I signed on to the TT3 mailing list as a leaf a while ago.How can I
add the volumes I want to my listing?The shows I'd like are:
vol. 18 April 9, 1977
vol. 19 Nov. 22, 1976
vol. 22 Aug. 16, 1975
vol. 23 Nov. 29, 1973
vol. 25 March31, 1977
Thanks----Bob
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:35
pm
Subject: Re: tdi no forums no guestbook...
When I signed up, there were some very strict guidelines together
with resulting punishments if these were ignored.
I agree with you that they should have both been moderated, but this
is a lesson that TDI have to learn. Perhaps they will notice how the
number of hits drops off now that they are both closed, and will
take to heart how the few have deprived so many genuine fans and new-
comers from genuinely interesting and informative banter.
I really hope that when the resources are in place, the forum and
guestbook can be reinstated. They did more good than harm and are
read by a far wider audience than sites like this (brilliant though
they are...)
Looking forward to 15/2,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote:
I don't agree
> with it not being monitored and moderated. I feel it needs to be.
It's a
> business after all. Just a little note before you sign up that
reflects that
> would be fine.
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'tei waz'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
> Subject: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook...
>
>
> > Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of
td.org if
> > there's neither a guestbook nor forums section?
> >
> > Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get
that elusive
> > 'ruling the waves' correction or ?...
> >
> > --T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: tdi no forums no guestbook...
Having hits on a web site isn't anything to brag about. I think it might be
more of what people get out of it and come back. They do have that store
online. Some might not have known that if they did not go to the forum.
maybe.... hits... easy to get that number up just by setting up program to
ping it, search engines and so forth. So that number might not be that
representative of forum traffic.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:35 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: tdi no forums no guestbook...
> When I signed up, there were some very strict guidelines together
> with resulting punishments if these were ignored.
>
> I agree with you that they should have both been moderated, but this
> is a lesson that TDI have to learn. Perhaps they will notice how the
> number of hits drops off now that they are both closed, and will
> take to heart how the few have deprived so many genuine fans and new-
> comers from genuinely interesting and informative banter.
>
> I really hope that when the resources are in place, the forum and
> guestbook can be reinstated. They did more good than harm and are
> read by a far wider audience than sites like this (brilliant though
> they are...)
>
> Looking forward to 15/2,
>
> BTF
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote:
> I don't agree
> > with it not being monitored and moderated. I feel it needs to be.
> It's a
> > business after all. Just a little note before you sign up that
> reflects that
> > would be fine.
> > dale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'tei waz'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook...
> >
> >
> > > Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of
> td.org if
> > > there's neither a guestbook nor forums section?
> > >
> > > Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get
> that elusive
> > > 'ruling the waves' correction or ?...
> > >
> > > --T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
> > > Tangerine Tree info at
> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 10:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 Question
From:
> I signed on to the TT3 mailing list as a leaf a while ago.How can I
> add the volumes I want to my listing?The shows I'd like are:
> vol. 18 April 9, 1977
> vol. 19 Nov. 22, 1976
> vol. 22 Aug. 16, 1975
> vol. 23 Nov. 29, 1973
> vol. 25 March31, 1977
> Thanks----Bob
The Tangerine Tree operates differently from the Classic Tree. For the CT you
could specify which discs you wanted when you signed up as all of them were
already in circulation and quite common. All the TT discs however are previously
unreleased versions, so it's assumed that each member wants them all. If you
only want a select few, you need to work that out in private when you first make
contact with your branch.
Maff
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From:
'michael_berling '
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 11:53
pm
Subject: [TT3] Number of SHN disks
Hi folks,
today I received the TT3 disks from Heiko and had a busy evening
converting them to SHN. I have just set up the SHN master disks. Like
on TT2, some of the Redbook cds (currently three or four) will be
spread on two SHN disks to minimize the number of cds. Nevertheless
it will be 10 (ten) SHN disks this time!
Unfortunately there are about 80 MB of data that did not fit on the
ninth disk, so there is still plenty of room on the tenth cd. If our
artwork artists will succeed in finishing their work (once again
great, so far!) before SHN distribution has started I will add the
complete artwork to the tenth disk, so people who participate on the
SHN edition of TT3 won't have to download the artwork themselves.
@Maff: Maybe you can tell me whether there is a chance that you and
the other artists will finish the artwork until distribution starts
(whenever that will be)?
Regards
Michael
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [TT3] Number of SHN disks
Hi Michael
I had been meaning to ask Heko who was handling the SHN's this time around, so
that the covers could be included.
This is the current status of the TT3 covers:
The main sections of the covers (front and tray) will be completed next Friday
(the 17th). I'm waiting on some of the other TT3 designers to submit their work.
Once the main sections for all volumes are completed, I'll upload them to the
new TT cover art site and send you the links. You're then welcome to download
them and include them on the SHN discs.
I am also developing the covers into 'mini booklets' (basically just an extra
folded sheet inside each front cover with text, tourbook info, photos etc). I
plan to have these finished the following Friday (24th), maybe a little sooner.
If necessary, the main sections can be included on the SHN discs without the
mini-booket parts without any problems. The booklets are just neat extras. If I
can get everything done in time, please include both. I'll keep you updated on
what is ready.
I understand there are problems getting the Tree distribution up and running
right now, and it may be a few weeks before things get moving, so I don't know
how much of a rush there is to get the SHN discs done.
Maff
Btw, can I ask if you're using EAC to rip the audio? The first batch of SHN
discs for TT2 were ripped with Audiograbber at insanely high-speeds and had some
major glitches.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:53 PM
Subject: [tadream] [TT3] Number of SHN disks
> Hi folks,
>
> today I received the TT3 disks from Heiko and had a busy evening
> converting them to SHN. I have just set up the SHN master disks. Like
> on TT2, some of the Redbook cds (currently three or four) will be
> spread on two SHN disks to minimize the number of cds. Nevertheless
> it will be 10 (ten) SHN disks this time!
>
> Unfortunately there are about 80 MB of data that did not fit on the
> ninth disk, so there is still plenty of room on the tenth cd. If our
> artwork artists will succeed in finishing their work (once again
> great, so far!) before SHN distribution has started I will add the
> complete artwork to the tenth disk, so people who participate on the
> SHN edition of TT3 won't have to download the artwork themselves.
>
> @Maff: Maybe you can tell me whether there is a chance that you and
> the other artists will finish the artwork until distribution starts
> (whenever that will be)?
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:40
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Subject: Re: [tadream] [TT3] Number of SHN disks
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> Hi Michael
And of course, that should have gone off-list.
***ing Yahoo.
Maff
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:51
am
Subject: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
Got a bit of time to write on the issue of guestbook / forum. My opinion is
simple:
TDI is fully justified to withdraw, first, the forum, and then now the
guestbook. because their kind offer to us fans is not properly appreciated and
even the minimal respect to them is long overdue.
1) Take a look at the following TD-related websites, and you see there are more
sites that have no guestbook/forum than those that have:
Johannes Schmoelling (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de/) - has a guestbook
Iris Kulterer (http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/) - has a guestbook
Bianca Acquaye (http://www.acquaye.de/) - has a guestbook
Chris Franke / Sonic Images (http://www.sonicimages.com/index.html) - neither
Paul Haslinger (http://www.haslinger.com/) - neither
Conrad Schnitzler (http://www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com/index.html) - neither
Klaus Schulze (http://www.klaus-schulze.com) ¡V neither
So it shows TD already gave us more than the average.
2) And the feedback entries on those that have guestbooks, at least, look more
¡¥normal¡¦ (whether they reflect likes or dislikes). Of course, generally there
are pre-dominantly praises.
Plus, I don't think that the band or TDI cannot take expressions of dislikes,
as long as they are genuine, well-grounded and not in malicious / sarcastic /
attacking language.
(NB. I think it is okay as a customer you advise/request them what they should
release [such as live tapes] but not as a fan you tell them how they should
compose).
3) Even if the above cannot convince you, take a look at a non-TD guestbook:
the guestbook of Hans Joachim Roedelius: http://labelart-at.com/roedelius/
To me, it is a wonder why TD do not deserve similar amount of sincere and +ve
feedbacks, given that both are genre creators / pioneers and have huge
contributions to electronic music.
Your
Jeffrey
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
What hurts is not much can be said in opposition to your line of thoughts.
If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work.
There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the
information to be found and shared would have been very nice.
One must wait now and see what direction they will take.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'coldwatercanyon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:51 PM
Subject: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
Got a bit of time to write on the issue of guestbook / forum. My opinion is
simple:
TDI is fully justified to withdraw, first, the forum, and then now the
guestbook. because their kind offer to us fans is not properly appreciated
and even the minimal respect to them is long overdue.
1) Take a look at the following TD-related websites, and you see there are
more sites that have no guestbook/forum than those that have:
Johannes Schmoelling (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de/) - has a guestbook
Iris Kulterer (http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/) - has a guestbook
Bianca Acquaye (http://www.acquaye.de/) - has a guestbook
Chris Franke / Sonic Images (http://www.sonicimages.com/index.html) -
neither
Paul Haslinger (http://www.haslinger.com/) - neither
Conrad Schnitzler (http://www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com/index.html) -
neither
Klaus Schulze (http://www.klaus-schulze.com) ¡V neither
So it shows TD already gave us more than the average.
2) And the feedback entries on those that have guestbooks, at least, look
more ¡¥normal¡¦ (whether they reflect likes or dislikes). Of course,
generally there are pre-dominantly praises.
Plus, I don't think that the band or TDI cannot take expressions of
dislikes, as long as they are genuine, well-grounded and not in malicious /
sarcastic / attacking language.
(NB. I think it is okay as a customer you advise/request them what they
should release [such as live tapes] but not as a fan you tell them how they
should compose).
3) Even if the above cannot convince you, take a look at a non-TD guestbook:
the guestbook of Hans Joachim Roedelius: http://labelart-at.com/roedelius/
To me, it is a wonder why TD do not deserve similar amount of sincere and
+ve feedbacks, given that both are genre creators / pioneers and have huge
contributions to electronic music.
Your
Jeffrey
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:53:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
coldwatercanyon@s... writes:
> To me, it is a wonder why TD do not deserve similar amount of sincere and
> +ve feedbacks, given that both are genre creators / pioneers and have huge
> contributions to electronic music.
> Your
> Jeffrey
*Wouldn't that be tacitly understood by the number of people on the mailing
list and
who visit or shop at TDI? We wouldn't be here if we didn't think that to some
degree.
It also has to be admitted that their course has changed over the years
pursuing more and more commercial styles...
A) This is obviously going to displease some.
B) Let's not get into the 'They as artists have a right to pursue their own
course... '
because of course they do, but there will always be some who don't like
where
they're going.
C) The net is anonymous... Perhaps they have made a few enemies who are now
using this medium anonymously to annoy / try to hurt them... under
multiple
names even. (Cowardly.) ... it happens.
D) There is also (let's face it.) a high ratio of neurotic fans who have no
social skills
and are incapable of presenting an idea in a manner anything more than
the
whining and moaning of an adolescent.
E) TD has made some very poor choices in their releases... The two same
Rubycon
cuts on the box set. The chh chh chh sound in Soundmill Navigator...
That a fan was able to eliminate easily with cheap software....
I could go on and on... we've all seen these evidences of subpar quality
control.
I'm sure every artist has mistakes in their catalog, but I have to admit
I've never
seen so many concentrated on one group. Whether or not this is the case
it looks
from the outside like they just don't care anymore, that they're not
trying very hard.
TD should be able to recognize both that they ARE appreciated by fans for
what
they have done and that
they have commited some mistakes that could have easily been
prevented....
again, showing what appears to be indifference to their own art and fans.
I personally am very disappointed with TDI having spent almost $100 on the 3
classic
T-shirts and two months later no sign of them. It hasn't taken any other
order I've made anywhere else - for - anything else nearly this long. Still
no sign. I also ordered another one about a week after the first order to be
shipped to someone else
for a Christmas present and THAT one came to my house and I had to ship it to
him at my own expense.
While there is no doubt that TD (Historically) has played a huge role in
Electronic music... it's hard to be all warm and fuzzy when these kinds of
mistakes,
errors and signs of complete indifference continually crop up.
Poly
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:44
am
Subject: recording limitations
Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)?
Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and
the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe
the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a
bit or is it compressed?
Dale
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From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:44
am
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
Hi Dale
Unfortunately the moderation task appears too gigantic and non-rewarding,
judging from the past experiences.
We already have Martin K here to answer us questions, and it is clear that he
is trying very hard, and with absolute sincerity, to help fans, and also to
properly provide us with valuable [background] information. Again, compare this
with other record labels and you see how much bonus we have got.
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Admin
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
Date: Fri Jan 10 12:04:48 HKT 2003
What hurts is not much can be said in opposition to your line of thoughts.
If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work.
There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the
information to be found and shared would have been very nice.
One must wait now and see what direction they will take.
dale
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:48
am
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
On this list, we truly are blessed. There is no argument there. Martin has
been very beneficial.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'coldwatercanyon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
> Hi Dale
>
> Unfortunately the moderation task appears too gigantic and non-rewarding,
judging from the past experiences.
>
> We already have Martin K here to answer us questions, and it is clear that
he is trying very hard, and with absolute sincerity, to help fans, and also
to properly provide us with valuable [background] information. Again,
compare this with other record labels and you see how much bonus we have
got.
>
> Jeffrey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Admin
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
> Date: Fri Jan 10 12:04:48 HKT 2003
>
> What hurts is not much can be said in opposition to your line of thoughts.
>
> If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work.
> There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the
> information to be found and shared would have been very nice.
>
> One must wait now and see what direction they will take.
>
> dale
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:50
am
Subject: Re: Mistakes
In a message dated 1/9/03 11:29:49 PM, Synthhtnys@a... writes:
>I'm sure every artist has mistakes in their catalog, but I have to admit
>I've never seen so many concentrated on one group.
You must not be a Front Line Assembly fan, then. ;)
(Sorry for the OT post.)
--Daniel
NP: Forma Tadre - Automate
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:17
am
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
Hi Poly
'They as artists have a right to pursue their own course... '
I agree this is a source where the polarisation exist - some like TD because of
this, others hate TD also because of this.
E) I could go on and on...
I am sorry about the unpleasant experience that you had (I had a minor problem
too). Let's hope us fans no longer suffer from such 'manufacturing fault' and
'order problem' in future.
While I agree these are valid points for a customer complaint, a customer
complaint certainly does NOT belong in the internet guestbook of the artist,
but the mailbox of the cybershop. To draw a [not very decent] analogy, can you
imagine a visitor piss in the living room of the host while the place is filled
with guests?
Jeffrey
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From:
'Paul Ellis '
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, coldwatercanyon
wrote:
> Hi Poly
> 'They as artists have a right to pursue their own course... '
>
> I agree this is a source where the polarisation exist - some like
TD because of this, others hate TD also because of this.
>
> E) I could go on and on...
>
> I am sorry about the unpleasant experience that you had (I had a
minor problem too). Let's hope us fans no longer suffer from
such 'manufacturing fault' and 'order problem' in future.
*In this case it wasn't a manufacturing fault as I got the other t-
shirt I ordered for someone else....
> While I agree these are valid points for a customer complaint, a
customer complaint certainly does NOT belong in the internet
guestbook of the artist, but the mailbox of the cybershop. To draw a
[not very decent] analogy, can you imagine a visitor piss in the
living room of the host while the place is filled with guests?
*Well, I'm not convinced that this analogy is accurate.. it's a
business, not their home, however having said that I agree that
what has gone on in their guestbook has been extremely lame and I
don't blame them from removing it.
Poly
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
>
>
>I personally am very disappointed with TDI having spent almost $100 on the 3
>classic
>T-shirts and two months later no sign of them. It hasn't taken any other
>order I've made anywhere else - for - anything else nearly this long. Still
>no sign. I also ordered another one about a week after the first order to be
>shipped to someone else
>for a Christmas present and THAT one came to my house and I had to ship it to
>him at my own expense.
Dear Paul, dear list,
I would like to clarify something here as I feel Paul is doing me and TDI
wrong, which kind of makes me wonder...
- it is true that one of the orders Paul placed was supposed to go to
another person and was sent to him by accident. This was my mistake (it was
the X-Mas season and a pretty large onslaught of orders to be handled by
just two people) and I asked Paul how I could recompense for that. He
stated that I could send him an 'Inferno'-CD as recompensation for the
extra shipping, which I did and of which he confirmed receipt.
- when he informed me that the parcel containing the 3 shirts did not reach
him by Dec 18th, I had a replacement parcel dispatched to him right the
next day, of which I also informed him. I was never again approached by him
for assistance. Thus, I assumed that he had received the replacement parcel.
So, I ask myself the question: what more can I do?!?!? I´ve tried my best
to deliver good customer service and I still get slagged for it. Well, I am
personally pretty disappointed in that, to say the least. I think if
someone attempts to comjure up some dirty laundry on this list (German
saying), he/she should at least tell all sides of the story. This way it´s
an unfair game and I really don´t know what to make of it.
I just felt the need to clear this up, being part of a business that I,
myself, have tried to make rather customer-friendly...
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
>Hello fellow listizens,
I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show:
1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-up. We´ll
have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be:
- Edgar and Jerome Froese
- Iris Kulterer
- Zlatko Perica
2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for
the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus
the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict curfew for
10 p.m.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
> Dear Paul, dear list,
>
> I would like to clarify something here as I feel Paul is doing me and TDI
> wrong, which kind of makes me wonder...
*How am I doing you wrong? I am stating what has happened.
> - it is true that one of the orders Paul placed was supposed to go to
> another person and was sent to him by accident. This was my mistake (it was
> the X-Mas season and a pretty large onslaught of orders to be handled by
> just two people) and I asked Paul how I could recompense for that. He
> stated that I could send him an 'Inferno'-CD as recompensation for the
> extra shipping, which I did and of which he confirmed receipt.
*This is true.
>
> - when he informed me that the parcel containing the 3 shirts did not reach
> him by Dec 18th, I had a replacement parcel dispatched to him right the
> next day, of which I also informed him. I was never again approached by him
> for assistance. Thus, I assumed that he had received the replacement parcel.
*This is not true, I wrote an e-mail last week sometime telling you that I
still had not received anything yet and what was going on? I suggested that
when you are sending orders out of a $100 or more you should consider a
'confirmation receipt' that the receiver has to fill out before getting the
package. This way both parties know the
order was received. Maybe a timeline would help here:
1)Early Nov. I order three shirts. (about $100)
2) A week later I make another order for one shirt to be sent to someone else.
I get THIS order almost right away and have to send it to him myself, you
offered recompense by way of the Inferno CD, great.
3) I get the Inferno CD, but still not shirts...
4) I wait a few weeks more, write you and mention that I still don't have
anything so you send another set....
I STILL don't receive it... which makes me wonder because if I didn't get the
Inferno CD I'd suspect you sent it to the wrong address. How is it BOTH 3
t-shirt orders are missing so long? I got a package from a friend in Germany in
the middle of the holiday rush and that only took 1 week. I have received quite
a few orders from around the world and nothing has taken so long.
If you DID somehow send that to the wrong address then how did I get the CD
correctly?
>
> So, I ask myself the question: what more can I do?!?!? I´ve tried my best
> to deliver good customer service and I still get slagged for it. Well, I am
> personally pretty disappointed in that, to say the least. I think if
> someone attempts to comjure up some dirty laundry on this list (German
> saying), he/she should at least tell all sides of the story. This way it´s
> an unfair game and I really don´t know what to make of it.
*Seems to me you're overreacting here, no I didn't mention the Inferno CD, but
that's hardly a key element. I did not attack you,I did not even mention your
name. I expressed dissatisfaction for bad service. How is this 'Dirty Laundry'?
Several things have gone wrong with this order.
I wanted the T-shirts, not the CD.
It seems TDI cannot take criticism of any kind. Are you suggesting that if you
had spent $100 US (more than that if you include the other t-shirt) and had an
order go this wrong after several e-mails to try and get it straight that you
would be happy about it? and the last e-mail I had no response to.
Poly
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
> 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-up. We´ll
> have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be:
Good to know the 'Z-man' is back again, I really like his guitar playing on
Detroit 92 a lot (TT3, Vol. 21)
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
:-B
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
Am I dreaming? :-B :-B
Be there or be square!
Heiko
From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:25
am
Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
I will now not be able to sleep until 15/2!! :-P
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote:
>
> >Hello fellow listizens,
>
> I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show:
>
> 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-
up. We´ll
> have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up
will be:
> - Edgar and Jerome Froese
> - Iris Kulterer
> - Zlatko Perica
>
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the
Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for
sale, plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
>
> 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict
curfew for
> 10 p.m.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
René Brenner
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:05
pm
Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote:
>
> >Hello fellow listizens,
>
> I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show:
>
> 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the
line-up. We´ll
> have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up
will be:
> - Edgar and Jerome Froese
> - Iris Kulterer
> - Zlatko Perica
I can't believe Slädu from the Gölä-Band is back.
From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
Hi Martin,
Thanks for the info.
A TD concert celebrating 3 decades of music making wouldn't be complete without
a guitar solo from Edgar. Can you find out for us please if this will happen?
Many fans would like that! ;-)
Regards,
Conrad
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
My wife bought me tickets for this as a Christmas Present!!!!!
And she wants to come too :)
Isn't love great.
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From:
cosmos1@w...
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:54
pm
Subject: sale/trade
hi
here you find some items for sale/trade.
http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos1/sale.htm
interesting for non-commercial music lovers.
if you don't like it just use 'delete' and your problem is solved :)
thanks for reading and taking your time.
andre
From:
'corporalcripp '
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:57
pm
Subject: Re: TT3 Question
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer'
wrote:
> From:
>
> > I signed on to the TT3 mailing list as a leaf a while ago.How can
I
> > add the volumes I want to my listing?The shows I'd like are:
> > vol. 18 April 9, 1977
> > vol. 19 Nov. 22, 1976
> > vol. 22 Aug. 16, 1975
> > vol. 23 Nov. 29, 1973
> > vol. 25 March31, 1977
> > Thanks----Bob
>
>
> The Tangerine Tree operates differently from the Classic Tree. For
the CT you
> could specify which discs you wanted when you signed up as all of
them were
> already in circulation and quite common. All the TT discs however
are previously
> unreleased versions, so it's assumed that each member wants them
all. If you
> only want a select few, you need to work that out in private when
you first make
> contact with your branch.
>
>
> Maff
Thanks Maff.-Bob
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:39
pm
Subject: RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o)
Happy husband ;o)))
Fred
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
> Envoyé : vendredi 10 janvier 2003 13:54
> À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
>
>
> My wife bought me tickets for this as a Christmas Present!!!!!
>
> And she wants to come too :)
>
> Isn't love great.
Isn't it - sometimes ;o))))
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:54
pm
Subject: Why???
Hi Martin
Maybe you can answer the total mystery..........Why is it that
Tangerine Dream has never played in Denmark or Scandinavia for that
matter??????
Do we smell bad or????...................=O)
Regards
Jan
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From:
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos & Introduction
Hi,
I'd like to introduce myself to this list. Some of you may know me from several
contacts through the last few years.
Having been a fan of the so called 'Electronic Music' for perhaps 2 or 3 years
I had my first 'real' contact to TDs music in 1986 after obtaining 'Underwater
Sunlight' - more or less by chance. That time I liked it but I didn't 'fell in
love' with it. I was more interested in the artists of the (now closed) IC
Innovative Communications label (founded by Klaus Schulze) - the reason for
that might have been that their kind of music was not very difficult to absorb.
I also listend to the German radio show 'Schwingungen' made by Winfried
Trenkler and from time to time there was something about TD. So while getting
older my interest in TD was growing. But as you usually don't have huge amounts
of money as a pupil or an apprentice I wasn't buying everything that came out.
I think it was with the millenium booster in 1999 that I started to get almost
everything that was in range (and that I was aware of!). I also went to the
Osnabrück concert that year and was overwhelmed. The following years I got in
touch with a few fans - some contacts were made via eBay. In 2001 Heiko H., Al
B., and I think it was Rainer R., gave me support in dealing with some guys who
sold me counterfeits. So I learned (but of course not only by that incident),
or better I've been learning, what it is all about being a TD *fan*.
Now, at least in my opinion, my collection is a little bit more than average
but surely not at the real 'die hard' level. :-)
To complete the introduction:
Age: 36
Country: Germany
Hobbies besides TD and music:
- collecting SF booklet novellas
- ST (TNG)
Some of my favourite TD records - in the following order - ... not exactly ;-)
:
- Optical Race
- The Keep
- Shy people
- Mars Polaris
- Tyger
- Underwater Sunlight
- Pergamon
- Live Miles
- Tangram
- Electronic Meditation
Some of my favourite TD Tracks:
- Logos Part I
- Mobocaster
- Purple Haze
- White Eagle
- Rubycon Part I
So, enough introduction.
=========
Btw: I would be very glad if anybody who is going to the concert in Feb. will
contact me.
Bis denne...
Jörg
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From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 5:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1637
I haven't written to the list in a while now .I've been in lurk mode because
I was being accused of being a guy called Damo who nobody seemed to like :-/
??
Anyhow I'm trying again .
I'm writing again because I cannot fathom why people are so incensed at the
TDI guestbook being closed down .Why is this????? if you have an addiction
to putting your love for TD in writing on the web , then why not just post
it here ? Do people feel that a direct link to Edgar has been lost ?
I for one back TD's decision to close the Guestbook and Forum .They are a
business after all , and they can certainly do without countless negative
comments on their business page .Who would open a store with bad customer
complaints posted in the window ?
As I managed to upset a few people last time I posted , I will make a great
effort not to be too negative in future .I've avoided buying the Melrose
Years for this very purpose ;) with its skips an-all .
Pete
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From:
David Dunham
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:26
pm
Subject: Guestboof & Forum
Hi to all. I'm wondering if TD would consider instead
of the guestbook and forum to have a ask Edgar or TD
column.This way fans could submit their questions
about recordings, concerts,how a song came together,
ect. That way they could screen out all the
objectional ones.The one or more questions and answers
could be posted maybe once a month. I know they have a
F.A.Q but it seems to be the same for years Any other
thoughts on this?
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] shipping problems
>It seems TDI cannot take criticism of any kind. Are you suggesting that if
>you had spent $100 US (more than that if you include the other t-shirt) and
>had an order go this wrong after several e-mails to try and get it straight
>that you would be happy about it? and the last e-mail I had no response to.
>
>Poly
Hey hey, calm down people. No-one is intentiously being malicious, right?
Don't.
BTW, the longest time I've waited for an order was about 15 months (yes...
15!). It was a rare import computer game which was out of print but still in
production (huh?) - and I was only about 12 at the time. The wait seemed
like eternity.
John Vertical
np: Desert Train (it's been a while since I listened to this the last time)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
>If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work.
>There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the
>information to be found and shared would have been very nice.
>
>One must wait now and see what direction they will take.
>
>dale
I think I've just gotten an idea..:
No, this will not solve the TDI interaction problem, but it may help
somebodies... (someones? some people? how do you say that in plural??)
Yeah, the idea. It's a new method of banning users from
registration-requiring forums etc. Instead of removing his account (after
which the terrorist would reregister under another name) you just set it so
that he will be able to post but nobody will see the messages... with the
possible exception of himself. Bingo: User removed, but he doesn't know
about it - since those sort of people I'm talking about will not read what
people reply to his messages. Oh, and it can of course be a she, too...
(okay, this went OT - but if anyone has any use for this method, feel free
to use it. Just don't take the glory yourself ;)
John Vertical
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:05
pm
Subject: The Z mans back in town.
The Z man is back,this is bloody great news,long live the Z man.
Zlatko is King.
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
--- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote: >
>
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready
> for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on
> sale at the Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this
> form.
Is anyone planning on buying more than one copy of
this? As I'm stuck in Canada, I would gladly reimburse
someone if they could get me a copy and mail it over.
Feel free to contact me off-list.
Thanks.
Jonnnyboy.
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
;-)
post = post (null)
;-)
bit bucket
dead letter
circular file
and so forth?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
> >If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would
work.
> >There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the
> >information to be found and shared would have been very nice.
> >
> >One must wait now and see what direction they will take.
> >
> >dale
>
>
> I think I've just gotten an idea..:
> No, this will not solve the TDI interaction problem, but it may help
> somebodies... (someones? some people? how do you say that in plural??)
> Yeah, the idea. It's a new method of banning users from
> registration-requiring forums etc. Instead of removing his account (after
> which the terrorist would reregister under another name) you just set it
so
> that he will be able to post but nobody will see the messages... with the
> possible exception of himself. Bingo: User removed, but he doesn't know
> about it - since those sort of people I'm talking about will not read what
> people reply to his messages. Oh, and it can of course be a she, too...
>
> (okay, this went OT - but if anyone has any use for this method, feel free
> to use it. Just don't take the glory yourself ;)
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:35
pm
Subject: New York Jets
All the best to the green and whites on Sunday,New York Jets we love
you.Jets Jets JETS.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
>From: 'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue<
hmm that was all I could see--was there text that went with this message?
8P
--T
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
I say the test was successful!
;-)
rrrr r r rrrr more than one way to skin them critters.....
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tei waz'
To:
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
> >From: 'John Vertical'
> Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue<
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> hmm that was all I could see--was there text that went with this message?
>
>
>
>
>
From:
'Micke Stark Runsten'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:10
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
>
This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig,
(stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and
pick up some goodies for me.
Feel free to contact me off-list.
Many thanx,
Micke
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
Martin,
One of the coolest things the band has done was the webacst of the Shepherds
Bush 2001 show. Are there plans to do the same thing for the Astoria show? It'd
sure mean a lot to folks like myself, who are here in Australia or wherever,
and who can't make the time or cash to get to the UK.
Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show:
* Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar
* No Purple Haze ;-)
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
* No Techno
* No Inferno
-----Original Message-----
From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...]
Sent: 10 January 2003 22:15
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
Martin,
One of the coolest things the band has done was the webacst of the
Shepherds Bush 2001 show. Are there plans to do the same thing for the
Astoria show? It'd sure mean a lot to folks like myself, who are here in
Australia or wherever, and who can't make the time or cash to get to the
UK.
Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show:
* Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar
* No Purple Haze ;-)
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From:
'Jeff Lester '
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:30
pm
Subject: Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer'
> Btw, can I ask if you're using EAC to rip the audio? The first
batch of SHN
> discs for TT2 were ripped with Audiograbber at insanely high-speeds
and had some
> major glitches.
And if I may ask, why is there any ripping going on at all? Why can't
the SHN files be generated from the original WAVs (by Heiko?) before
any audio CDR generation exists?
-Jeff Lester
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:13
am
Subject: re: ripping
> And if I may ask, why is there any ripping going on at all?
Why
can't
the SHN files be generated from the original WAVs (by
Heiko?)
before
any audio CDR generation exists? <
yer assuming they exist in that format at heiko's abode. if yer
volunteering to give him a computer with all the bells and hardware thrown
in then I'm sure it could be done. otherwise, tis hard to do that with a
stand alone burner..... unnerstand now?
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:59
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
TD/Martin: don't listen to these boneheads! Play Everything!
[Doing my best to be there in Feb!]
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
* No Techno
* No Inferno
-----Original Message-----
From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...]
Martin,
Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show:
* Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar
* No Purple Haze ;-)
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:50
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
Bonehead?
There is not enough room in 3 hours to play everything so why not stick
to what's the most popular?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@a...]
Sent: 11 January 2003 01:59
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
TD/Martin: don't listen to these boneheads! Play Everything!
[Doing my best to be there in Feb!]
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
* No Techno
* No Inferno
-----Original Message-----
From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...]
Martin,
Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show:
* Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar
* No Purple Haze ;-)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Jets
>All the best to the green and whites on Sunday,New York Jets we love
>you.Jets Jets JETS.
Uh.. are you sure you're on the right list?
John Vertical
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
Funny how people like different things!!!!
I can't wait to get hold of mine!!!!
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:10 AM
Subject: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
> Okay, it shall not be silent anymore about CT...
>
> After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman I wonder no more that it
was
> overdubbed - such a lame effort. TT vol. 10 is lightyears ahead, so why
did
> Edgar choose this show for Sohoman?
> On the other hand, I though that the first quarter (up to Ayers Majectic)
> was heavily overdubbed too, but apparently not?
>
> Live Improvised sounds interesting and technically much less primitive
than
> TT volumes 2, 7, 9 or the other early shows I've heard. Some of the
> Mellotron passages could well be from a 76 show...
> The 2nd set is more experimental than the first, which has some obviously
> classical veins.
>
> Of Antarktis and 20th C. Serenades I find the latter better. I like this
> live version of Ride On A Ray more than the studio one; it also ends with
a
> nice flute solo, reminescent of Mt. Shasta. Another reminescence was the
> choral intro into the over-extended version of Canyon Voices - this intro
> bears some resemblance to the intro of Livemiles.. Albuquerque Concert!
>
> The bits that have been released on Livemiles are not too impressive here
> (quite slow) though Velvet Autumn (opening track on 20thCS, 2nd movement
on
> Livemiles) has some creepy big percussion; also, Yellowstone Park, Tyger
and
> Smile don't really work without the vocals.
>
> There was little new or different-from-studio material on these volumes,
but
> that little (Ride on a Ray, Scuba Scuba, piano solo and the preceding
track)
> was OK.
>
> ...and that's it about the volumes I picked.
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
White Eagle for me..........
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Wakefield'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
> I started way back in the mid 70's listening to my brothers record
> collection. I can
> still remember listening to my first TD LP which was Rubycon when I was
> about 13
> and have been hooked ever since.
>
> Dave W
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:06:55
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that?????
>
> Hello, Kevin and Dreamers,
>
> > (...) and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I
> > was a small boy (...)
>
> You lucky boy ;o))
>
> Greetings from France...
>
>
> Fred
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
Sounds good to me.
As many have said, I can't understand why a fan would post like that AND
still be a Fan!
Everyone gets 'a little hot under the collar' but to cause the shutdown of
the guestbook is unforgivable.
A site i was a member of had so much of this guestbook jamming they shut the
website down pending investigation into hacking......
Paulus.d_uk
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue
> >If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would
work.
> >There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the
> >information to be found and shared would have been very nice.
> >
> >One must wait now and see what direction they will take.
> >
> >dale
>
>
> I think I've just gotten an idea..:
> No, this will not solve the TDI interaction problem, but it may help
> somebodies... (someones? some people? how do you say that in plural??)
> Yeah, the idea. It's a new method of banning users from
> registration-requiring forums etc. Instead of removing his account (after
> which the terrorist would reregister under another name) you just set it
so
> that he will be able to post but nobody will see the messages... with the
> possible exception of himself. Bingo: User removed, but he doesn't know
> about it - since those sort of people I'm talking about will not read what
> people reply to his messages. Oh, and it can of course be a she, too...
>
> (okay, this went OT - but if anyone has any use for this method, feel free
> to use it. Just don't take the glory yourself ;)
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:16
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
A bit behind here, but part of this caught my eye.....
Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack at
the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live iN
Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese.
Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy
to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't
rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with copy-protect
b.s..
I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy them,
and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there.
Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem or
gotten past it with a simular problem?
Debra Wilson
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
Subject: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
> After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman......
From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:58
am
Subject: Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'colin anderson'
wrote:
> Martin,
>
> One of the coolest things the band has done was the webacst of the
Shepherds Bush 2001 show. Are there plans to do the same thing for
the Astoria show? It'd sure mean a lot to folks like myself, who are
here in Australia or wherever, and who can't make the time or cash to
get to the UK.
>
> Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show:
>
> * Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar
> * No Purple Haze ;-)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Or how about Ride On The Ray with EF and ZP on Guitars,come on
Edgar,get that Guitar outta the case.
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:03
am
Subject: Soundmill Navigator and Feb 15th
Shopping locally I found a copy of 'Soundmill Navigator' for a bargin price.
Prepaired for the worst, (Sohoman does not compare to the TT1-2 tracks) I
bought it partally to compare with TT volume 8, the same concert.
I should have had no worries! the CD is very good, the overdubbing is excellent
and lends atmosphere to the piece,not distracting from the origional concert
material underneath.
I was very impressed with the whole package, also having not seen some of the
photos on the inlay!
While Iam here, don't worry about the gig on 15th Feb. I think we'll be treated
to a Suite of music, era into era, album into next album, simlar to Poland (TT
vol 15 & 16).ZLatico's return is one of the best pieces of news so far.....
that man made 'Three Phase' the pleasure it is to watch!
Paulus.d_UK
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:43
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #303 for January 9, 2003
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #303 January 9, 2003.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star
in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Deep Unknown' by
Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana on the brannanlane.com label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze on the Island
label.
Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze 1984 Mirage (Island)
Palancar Cydonia Mensae Elysiun Planitia (Ampcast.com)
Re:Cooperation Thing4 Transatlantic Collaboration
(Uncle Buzz)
Mike Griffin and Biometric Imprint (Hypnos)
Dave Fulton
Mark Jenkins The Surge Cloud / Sequencer Loops (AMP)
Pyroclasic Flow
VA [Henric] Homicide 36 Sequences No, 27 (Sequences)
Brannan Lane Unfamiliar Territory Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
12:00 am
Brannan Lane Dark Decent Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane Points of Light 1 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane Points of Light 2 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane Deep Unknown 1 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane Deep Unknown 2 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane Deep Unknown 3 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'To Earth and Back' by Brannan Lane on the
Space for Music.com label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Dig It' by Klaus Schulze on the
Brain label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
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Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
In a message dated 1/11/03 5:18:32 AM, the_singing_goat@a... writes:
>Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack
>at the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live
>iN Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese.
>Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy
>to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't
>rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with copy-protect
>b.s..
>I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy them,
>and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there.
>Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem
>or gotten past it with a simular problem?
Although I don't own Sohoman, I have experienced inability to rip some CDs -
the program would start the process, but never successfully read any audio,
and eventually give up. However, in all cases to date, I was able to rip them
on a different computer with the same software. I guess it must have been
something to do with the drive. So try on another computer if possible.
--Daniel
NP: Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Jets
I just let that run, no comment needed...
When I saw the post I removed it out of my archives. Just did not fit... Now
here is a good example of something's that might not fit into a
forum,guestbook and so forth.
Unless TD was playing half-time or had a video commercial happening of
course...
I can't see this happening but then again, TD has done some things I would
not consider either...
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Jets
> >All the best to the green and whites on Sunday,New York Jets we love
> >you.Jets Jets JETS.
>
>
> Uh.. are you sure you're on the right list?
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
I can't comment on how to get around this... I can point you to use a search
engine and do a bit of reading... Common sense works fine here too... but
that might be too much of a hint...
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:16 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
> A bit behind here, but part of this caught my eye.....
>
> Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack at
> the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live
iN
> Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese.
> Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy
> to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't
> rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with
copy-protect
> b.s..
> I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy
them,
> and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there.
> Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem
or
> gotten past it with a simular problem?
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'John Vertical'
> Subject: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
>
> > After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman......
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:34
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
I've been doing just that, but I can't find the same problem.... :-(
Also talking to several groups of fellow mp3 whores with no luck.. *sigh*
Maybe someone on my forum has the answer.. I just got up, so still checking
my mail..lol.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:24 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments
I can't comment on how to get around this... I can point you to use a search
engine and do a bit of reading... Common sense works fine here too... but
that might be too much of a hint...
dale
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:35
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
Did that already.. same thing, disc shows up as being empty... :-(
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:58 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
Although I don't own Sohoman, I have experienced inability to rip some CDs -
the program would start the process, but never successfully read any audio,
and eventually give up. However, in all cases to date, I was able to rip
them
on a different computer with the same software. I guess it must have been
something to do with the drive. So try on another computer if possible.
--Daniel
NP: Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo
From:
kostas karlis
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
hello from greece
well i noticed your prob with ripping so here is what i do in such cd's that
supposed to be protected
i use tis program called Alcholol 120% and i can copy with this prog all
kind of protected cd's. this is a prog that you can download from kazaa [i
at least found it there]
well hope this help
Kostas 'koulos' Karlis
Dimosies & Diethneis Sxeseis
Politistiki Omada 'Radio Gaia'
mailto:k_koulos@p...
mailto:k_koulos@w...
http://radiogaia.aua.gr
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:34
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
You use any other programs? I won't get near Kazaa, have had lousey resulkts
with it.. and from the official site, it's a $50. program.. so I'm still
need a key too.
The thing is, I don't belive this cd is copy protected. It plays fine on my
computer.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: kostas karlis [mailto:k_koulos@p...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:06 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
hello from greece
well i noticed your prob with ripping so here is what i do in such cd's that
supposed to be protected
i use tis program called Alcholol 120% and i can copy with this prog all
kind of protected cd's. this is a prog that you can download from kazaa [i
at least found it there]
well hope this help
Kostas 'koulos' Karlis
Dimosies & Diethneis Sxeseis
Politistiki Omada 'Radio Gaia'
mailto:k_koulos@p...
mailto:k_koulos@w...
http://radiogaia.aua.gr
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
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From:
'Utch Entel'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:51
pm
Subject: RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman
Hi, Debra!
I use AudioCatalyst for ripping CDs, and it ripped my copy of Sohoman
just fine... ...my CD drive is a Plextor, though, and rumour has it
that Plextor drives are pretty fair. So far I haven't come across a CD
I haven't been able to rip.
...Utch
--------------- Tear and crumple after reading ---------------
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:44
pm
Subject: TD CD's from Astoria concert wanted, plus Weetabix and Twiglets
Message: 12
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:10:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan Holt
Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
--- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote: >
>
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready
> for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on
> sale at the Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this
> form.
Is anyone planning on buying more than one copy of this? As I'm stuck in
Canada, I would gladly reimburse
someone if they could get me a copy and mail it over.
Feel free to contact me off-list.
Thanks.
Jonnnyboy.
From: 'Micke Stark Runsten'
This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig,
(stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and
pick up some goodies for me.
Feel free to contact me off-list.
Many thanx, Micke
I have to add myself to this list, which much regret.
I would dearly love to come over to London for the concert, but on this
occasion I will have to stay put in Poland. I shall dearly miss seeing you
guys as you were a good laugh back at Shepherd's Bush two years ago.
So, any of the Polish gang going? (3N, Piotr S. Millenium, Jarek
Wiktorowicz, Jacek Szulc, Lord Rayden, etc etc). If so, can any of you pick
up some goodies? In this case, I'm only after CD's. Oh, and pick up a box of
Weetabix and a packet of Twiglets whilst you're there too ;-) Please let me
know off list!
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:27
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman
hey folks,
please move this conversation offlist.
I hope this is a helpful suggestion: try
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cdhotline/
Thanks and have a nice day!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
...ripping CDs...
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:16
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman
It's off-list already... :-)
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:27 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman
hey folks,
please move this conversation offlist.
I hope this is a helpful suggestion: try
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cdhotline/
Thanks and have a nice day!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
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From:
Roy Teale <3dlux@3...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:36
pm
Subject: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
I had a Pergamon cd (CAROL CD 1) not let me rip it. Same behavior as yours. I
finally gave up and took it to work where one of their fancy schmancy Sony VAIO
computers was able to rip it. I now have an 'un-copy protected' version of
Pergamon. BTW, the original had absolutely no scratches on it.
Roy
-------Original Message-------
From: quarlie@a...
Sent: 01/11/03 12:58 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman
>
> In a message dated 1/11/03 5:18:32 AM, the_singing_goat@a... writes:
>Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack
>at the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman;
Live
>iN Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese.
>Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup
copy
>to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it
won't
>rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with
copy-protect
>b.s..
>I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy
them,
>and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there.
>Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem
>or gotten past it with a simular problem?
Although I don't own Sohoman, I have experienced inability to rip some CDs
-
the program would start the process, but never successfully read any
audio,
and eventually give up. However, in all cases to date, I was able to rip
them
on a different computer with the same software. I guess it must have been
something to do with the drive. So try on another computer if possible.
--Daniel
NP: Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks
Some clarification (as I have already received an question about that
subject and to prevent further ones).
There was a set of TT2 SHNs which was faulty, this went out to 2 guys
(including Maff for test purposes). They have been withdrawn by me and I
never asked for any compensation for those CDs.
The SHNs that have been distributed in TT2 and the redbooks I've duplicated
for TT2 (and TT3) have been ripped using EAC using the same hardware for all
these rippings.
I never received any complains concering the CDs distributed in TT2 (SHN and
redbook ones).
You are right: It would eliminate the possibilty of ripping and duplication
errors if the SHN distribution would be produced from the original files and
not by ripping audio CDs which are produced using those files. The CDs (to
my knowledge) are 'converted' twice.
Currently Heiko receives (only) audio CDs which are used for the further
distribution (including the SHN part of the tree).
BTW: Sometimes I ask myself how many (ripping and duplication) errors do
enter the redbooks during the duplication process in the distribution.
Greetings
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jeff Lester [mailto:jeff.lester@t...]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Januar 2003 00:30
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer'
> > Btw, can I ask if you're using EAC to rip the audio? The first
> batch of SHN
> > discs for TT2 were ripped with Audiograbber at insanely high-speeds
> and had some
> > major glitches.
>
> And if I may ask, why is there any ripping going on at all? Why can't
> the SHN files be generated from the original WAVs (by Heiko?) before
> any audio CDR generation exists?
>
> -Jeff Lester
>
>
>
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From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:53
pm
Subject: TD in different styles
Here's a question:
Given the current fashion for reworking classic rock
albums/tracks in different styles (the last year or
so has seen a country CD of _The Wall_, reggae CD of
_Dark Side of the Moon_ and Dixieland jazz CD of AC/DC's
best-known songs), which TD album would benefit best
from treatment in which style? Or which would provoke
the biggest laugh? (Which is after all the point of
these comedy CDs.)
Glynn
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD CD's from Astoria concert
> > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready
> > for the show of
> > previously unavailable material. This will be on
> > sale at the Astoria for
> > the first time and will not be reprinted in this
> > form.
The words 'in this format' suddendly caught my attention... so what does
this mean?
To-be-rare CD versions of yet unreleased Groud Liftaz material which shall
appear later on LP?
Something in the fashion of the Sheperds Bush CD, with the material perhaps
making a reappearence later on some collection?
Classic live shows which will not be officially released again, but which
may already exist as good quality fantapes?
A The Keep-ish sneaky release of material held by copyrights?
Dream Mixes versions of some Tangents overdubs?
Songs From Edgar's Bathtub?
John Vertical
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From:
Olav Neander
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles
Glynn Naughton schrieb:
>Given the current fashion for reworking classic rock
>albums/tracks in different styles
>
...in addition there is a CD with latin cover versions of Kraftwerk...
>which TD album would benefit best
>from treatment in which style? Or which would provoke
>the biggest laugh?
>
Probably Stratosfear :-) Believe it or not, but I found already a
Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of 'Big Sleep...'!
Olav
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks
From: 'Herbert'
> Some clarification (as I have already received an question about that
> subject and to prevent further ones).
My apologies if I've caused a problem. As I mentioned, my comments on the TT2
SHN discs were never intended to go to the group. I simply wanted to check with
Michael Berling (who is doing the TT3 SHNs) that EAC was being used for accurate
ripping. If I were posting those comments in public, I would have made it clear
that it was only the first 'preview' batch of SHN discs that had problems. The
final versions you all received were, as far as I know, perfect.
One other minor thing; those early TT2 SHN discs I received were not for testing
purposes. I was asked to upload them (about 4-5 gigs worth) through my home DSL
to an FTP server for group downloading. (IIRC the FTP system didn't pan out in
the end).
As for TT3, the SHN discs are being handled correctly. While it would be kinda
nice to get the SHN files direct from the remasterers, it is a bit unfeasable
and IMHO unnecessary. The purpose of the SHN versions here is to prevent errors
creeping in further down the Tree, not right at the top. As long as the master
audio disc copies are on good quality media, and the ripping process is handled
correctly, no information will be lost and no errors will occur.
Maff
From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:14
pm
Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
> Believe it or not, but I found
> already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of
> 'Big Sleep...'!
Hello, Olav and dreamers,
There exist also some others arrangements like this one in midifiles...
Great job (who did them ?)
Dolphin Dance
Mojave Plan
Monolight
Dream Regards,
Fred
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:33
pm
Subject: RE: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
http://tadream.net/midi.htm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
>
>
>
> > Believe it or not, but I found
> > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of
> > 'Big Sleep...'!
>
>
> Hello, Olav and dreamers,
>
> There exist also some others arrangements like this one in midifiles...
> Great job (who did them ?)
> Dolphin Dance
> Mojave Plan
> Monolight
>
> Dream Regards,
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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From:
'Fred Yargui'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:40
pm
Subject: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
Hi, Joe !
As simple as tadream.net ;o)
All these midifiles are not arranged like the one Alav spoke about,
right ?
Good night,
Fred
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...]
> Envoyé : dimanche 12 janvier 2003 20:33
> À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : RE: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
>
>
> http://tadream.net/midi.htm
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:14 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
> >
> >
> >
> > > Believe it or not, but I found
> > > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of
> > > 'Big Sleep...'!
> >
> >
> > Hello, Olav and dreamers,
> >
> > There exist also some others arrangements like this one in
> > midifiles... Great job (who did them ?) Dolphin Dance
> > Mojave Plan
> > Monolight
> >
> > Dream Regards,
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:49
pm
Subject: RE: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
dunno. if not, I'll be happy to add them to the list if someone provides
them.
J
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
>
>
> Hi, Joe !
>
> As simple as tadream.net ;o)
>
> All these midifiles are not arranged like the one Alav spoke about,
> right ?
>
> Good night,
>
> Fred
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...]
> > Envoyé : dimanche 12 janvier 2003 20:33
> > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Objet : RE: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
> >
> >
> > http://tadream.net/midi.htm
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:14 PM
> > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Believe it or not, but I found
> > > > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of
> > > > 'Big Sleep...'!
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, Olav and dreamers,
> > >
> > > There exist also some others arrangements like this one in
> > > midifiles... Great job (who did them ?) Dolphin Dance
> > > Mojave Plan
> > > Monolight
> > >
> > > Dream Regards,
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From:
Olav Neander
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:39
pm
Subject: Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles
Fred Yargui schrieb:
>All these midifiles are not arranged like the one Alav spoke about,
>right ?
>
Yes, the one I spoke about is there:
http://tadream.net/midi/TANGERINE/Big_Sleep_In_The_Search_For_Hades_(Reggea_Styl\
e)_(Tanger%7E2CA.mid
Hehe, and som other funny arrangements... White Eagle Bossanova and
Dolphin Dance Reggae :-)
Olav
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:37
pm
Subject: OT: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles
At 2003.01.11-12:53, Glynn Naughton wrote:
>Given the current fashion for reworking classic rock albums/tracks in
>different styles (the last year or so has seen a country CD of _The Wall_,
>reggae CD of _Dark Side of the Moon_ and Dixieland jazz CD of AC/DC's
>best-known songs), which TD album would benefit best from treatment in
>which style? Or which would provoke
>the biggest laugh? (Which is after all the point of these comedy CDs.)
Some other (mis)treatments come to mind:
_Lounge Against the Machine_ - Richard Cheese (lounge music
arrangements of Alternative Rock hits (i.e. 'Fight For Your Right' by the
Beastie Boys))
_EZ Listening Music Vols 1 & 2_ - Devo (Devo does their own hits
in the style of Muzak/Elevator
_Merry Xmas from the Space Age Bachelor Pad_ - Juan Garcia Esquivel
of course there's the comedic mis-treatment of *everything* by PDQ
Bach. My fave is 'Prelude to Einstein on the Fritz (s.# E=mc2)' to be found
on _1712 Overture & Other Musical Assaults_ where Prof. Shickele does a
wonderful job of sending up Philip Glass
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Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:22
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Subject: [tadream] Warning: Yahoo Snoops
thought this might be of interest to some...
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:32
am
Subject: Re: OT: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles
>
>
> _Lounge Against the Machine_ - Richard Cheese (lounge music
>arrangements of Alternative Rock hits (i.e. 'Fight For Your Right' by the
>Beastie Boys))
> _EZ Listening Music Vols 1 & 2_ - Devo (Devo does their own hits
>in the style of Muzak/Elevator
> _Merry Xmas from the Space Age Bachelor Pad_ - Juan Garcia Esquivel
>*What about the Latino versions of Kraftwerk songs by Senor Coconut? ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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Subject: RE: [tadream] Warning: Yahoo Snoops
This is browser specific, so each time you use a diff. computer or browser,
you will need to opt out again.. I have heard it is cookie related.
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To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
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From:
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Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:39
pm
Subject: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted!
Hi!
I have one spare ticket for the London TD concert at the Astoria
on the 15th of Feburary. My girlfriend can`t come with me :-(
BTW: I`d like to get some informations about a hotel in the Astoria
neighbourhood. I got my ticket(s) today and reserved the flight, too
(Euro 98,- from Friedrichshafen to London and retour), but my
hotel reservation is missing so far.
Any help would be appreciated!
CU,
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From:
David Hughes
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:20
pm
Subject: Re: TD in different styles
Hello all,
Martin wrote :
> *What about the Latino versions of Kraftwerk songs by Senor Coconut? ;-)
I was given a copy of this at Christmas.
Probably the quickest and most effective way yet discovered by man to totally
wreck that Christmas good-vibe feeling.
Yak!
You have to ask 'what could be worse?' ?:)
I'd rather listen to Edgar playing the theme to Streethawk on a kazoo.
Regards
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Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted!
My wife are staying at one of the hilton's for £99 for the night. Have a
look at there
web page and use www.yell.com to find the locations in London.
Dave W
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From: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 13:40:05
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] one spare ticket for the London concert and some help
wanted!
Hi!
I have one spare ticket for the London TD concert at the Astoria
on the 15th of Feburary. My girlfriend can`t come with me :-(
BTW: I`d like to get some informations about a hotel in the Astoria
neighbourhood. I got my ticket(s) today and reserved the flight, too
(Euro 98,- from Friedrichshafen to London and retour), but my
hotel reservation is missing so far.
Any help would be appreciated!
CU,
Rainer
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From:
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Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Why???
Hi Jan,
it if makes you feel any better.....
i live in holland, infact i'm a neighbour of Edgar ;-)),
and they only played holland twice !!!! in 30 years.....
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Pergamon :
> Hi Martin
>
> Maybe you can answer the total mystery..........Why is it that
> Tangerine Dream has never played in Denmark or Scandinavia for that
> matter??????
>
> Do we smell bad or????...................=O)
>
> Regards
> Jan
>
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From:
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD CD's from Astoria concert wanted, plus Weetabix and Twiglets
Hi,
it is my problem, too. Unfortunatley I am not able to go to the Astoria
concert. :-(
It would be very kind if any (German?) fan is willing to buy something for me.
Best regards
Jörg
tadream@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 11.01.03 23:36:23:
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:10:33 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jonathan Holt
> Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
>
> --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
> wrote: >
> >
> > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready
> > for the show of
> > previously unavailable material. This will be on
> > sale at the Astoria for
> > the first time and will not be reprinted in this
> > form.
>
> Is anyone planning on buying more than one copy of this? As I'm stuck in
> Canada, I would gladly reimburse
> someone if they could get me a copy and mail it over.
> Feel free to contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks.
> Jonnnyboy.
>
> From: 'Micke Stark Runsten'
> This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig,
> (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and
> pick up some goodies for me.
> Feel free to contact me off-list.
>
> Many thanx, Micke
>
> I have to add myself to this list, which much regret.
>
> I would dearly love to come over to London for the concert, but on this
> occasion I will have to stay put in Poland. I shall dearly miss seeing you
> guys as you were a good laugh back at Shepherd's Bush two years ago.
>
> So, any of the Polish gang going? (3N, Piotr S. Millenium, Jarek
> Wiktorowicz, Jacek Szulc, Lord Rayden, etc etc). If so, can any of you pick
> up some goodies? In this case, I'm only after CD's. Oh, and pick up a box of
> Weetabix and a packet of Twiglets whilst you're there too ;-) Please let me
> know off list!
>
> Regards
> Roger Hartopp
>
>
>
>
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From:
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Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:01
pm
Subject: Re: TD in different styles
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Olav Neander wrote:
> Probably Stratosfear :-) Believe it or not, but I found already a
> Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of 'Big Sleep...'!
>
> Olav
> Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis
It was me who did that a few years ago with the _Band in a Box_
software. Somewhere out there there's also a swing jazz 'Monolight',
bossa nova 'White Eagle' and C & W 'Streethawk' :-)
Glynn
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:20
pm
Subject: Off Topic-Sound Explorer Update.
Hopefully if the mail is running smoothly there will
be new programs starting Wednesday for 'Sound
Explorer.' Last Wednesday during my program in the 9
o'clock hour the website crashed due to over 56,000
people hitting the site. Every time we restarted it
it crashed and it wasn't until 10 a.m. the next day
that we had to install new equipment to handle the
vast amount of people listening. Today, if you click
on to listenachievesrchieves it is rather slow do to
congestion. But it works.
Be that as it may, Wednesday's program should be music
from the album and c.d. 'The In Sound From Way Out'
that was remastered and retitled, 'The Out Sound From
Way In' performed by Perry & Kingsley from Vangard
Records. There is a little know fract that Lawrence
Welk enjoyed this kind of music and so put it on his
'Vangaurd Records.' It seems that he was a panel
guest on a chat show and I think either Perry or
Kingsley was also on and he signed the dynamic duo.
Wade
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD in different styles
I'd love to hear a few complete orchestra adaptations (ie. no electronics)
of some TD pieces, especially these:
Ricochet pt 2
Atem
Rubycon (whole)
Sorcerer (bits and pieces)
Tangram Set 1
Logos pt 1
---
Also, today at a dance lesson I heard a tango piece that had a piano line
exactly like the 1st sequence from Monolight. Of course I don't remember its
name right now...
John Vertical
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Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:21
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Subject: TT3 praises
just finished listening to tt3 irvine '86--simply amazing--the resolution of
the guitar and piano bits just shine through--way better than the blue moon
records release (which still sounds like it was recorded on videotape to me)
and miles above that old tape I had.
Thanks to everyone involved.
Now on to East Berlin '80.
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Why???
Hi Tony
Thanks for your sympathy.............=O) ............and hopefully you
experienced both concerts in Holland.
In the end it will only be Tangerine Dreams loss. Thankfully there are
other bands which can satisfy my need for live EM-music, by playing here in
Denmark. It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the
experience of TD playing in their country. It is allways a something special
when a preferred band plays in ones own part of the world.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Why???
> Hi Jan,
>
> it if makes you feel any better.....
>
> i live in holland, infact i'm a neighbour of Edgar ;-)),
> and they only played holland twice !!!! in 30 years.....
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Pergamon :
>
> > Hi Martin
> >
> > Maybe you can answer the total mystery..........Why is it that
> > Tangerine Dream has never played in Denmark or Scandinavia for that
> > matter??????
> >
> > Do we smell bad or????...................=O)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> >
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
> Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)?
> Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and
> the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe
> the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a
> bit or is it compressed?
The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of the CD sounding
hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could cause the needle
to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase relationships,
program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot of playing
time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing time. Yes,
there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max volume on one LP
could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What most people
don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs (reduce bass
at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an LP was mixed,
it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ, compression, volume
setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes used to drive
cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get product on
the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP mastering that
limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the music we hear on
CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was the CD you
heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple issues of the
CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider dynamic range
than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up listening to LPs
which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing music that
way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its audience size,
hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits. Were any of
these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you have was
mastered?
And you thought you asked a simple question! :-)
Cheers,
Bill
Fox's Den Recording
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Why???
>(...)It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the
>experience of TD playing in their country. --- Jan
hah!
don't tell me about it...
gj np. tyger (it's GOOOD!)
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:15
am
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Why???
Why? Warum? Por Que? Wei Shen Me? Can go on and on...why TD did not tour the
Far East after 1983 in Japan? Its about 20 yrs...why not to Hong Kong? why not
to China...why not to my...hum...[back to silence]
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Gustavo Jobim
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Why???
Date: Tue Jan 14 10:17:37 HKT 2003
>(...)It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the
>experience of TD playing in their country. --- Jan
hah!
don't tell me about it...
gj np. tyger (it's GOOOD!)
Gustavo Jobim
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Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:24
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Subject: Desperately seeking Joe
Joe Shoults, please contact me off-list....
Heiko
From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:51
am
Subject: Re: recording limitations
Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer
that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!)
this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to
prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning
when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music
is available. Surely the next step?
TTFN,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
> > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do
(track)?
> > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl
recording and
> > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is
hotter. Maybe
> > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be
raised a
> > bit or is it compressed?
>
> The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of
the CD sounding
> hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could
cause the needle
> to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase
relationships,
> program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot
of playing
> time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing
time. Yes,
> there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max
volume on one LP
> could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What
most people
> don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs
(reduce bass
> at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an
LP was mixed,
> it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ,
compression, volume
> setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes
used to drive
> cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get
product on
> the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP
mastering that
> limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the
music we hear on
> CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was
the CD you
> heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple
issues of the
> CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider
dynamic range
> than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up
listening to LPs
> which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing
music that
> way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its
audience size,
> hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits.
Were any of
> these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you
have was
> mastered?
>
> And you thought you asked a simple question! :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
> Fox's Den Recording
> http://foxesden.us
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From:
'gilleshemery2002 '
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:09
pm
Subject: A NEW TANGERINE DREAM MIDI FILE----www.gilleshemery.fr.fm
2 week ago, I add in my site a new midi file: The first part
of Mojave plan. This midi file lasts more 8 mns. I tried
to restitute the most details of this part.
thanks
Gilles
my weeb site is:
www.gilleshemery.fr.fm
From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:57
am
Subject: Appeal to the British contingent
I haven't heard from anyone on the Polish side, so I'm now going to appeal
directly to the Brits.
This is one Brit, now ensconced in Poland and unable to make it to the concert
(boo hoo), but wants any unreleased TD cd's that might be available at the
concert. Can anyone help out?
Obviously we'll sort out payments, etc, but in this case, to make it easy for
you, the disc(s) can be mailed to a British address.
If any Brits can help me out please I would be eternally grateful! (off-list,
of course).
Regards
Roger Hartopp
gmroger@p...
--------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a-----------------
Miliony czekaja na Ciebie w Internecie!
htp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html
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From:
'Micke Stark Runsten'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:03
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
>
This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig,
(stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and
pick up some goodies for me (only CD´s).
Feel free to contact me off-list.
Many thanx,
Micke
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:09
pm
Subject: E-Live 2003
Hi all,
The first 3 acts for the E-Live 2003 festival are certain:
RADIO MASSACRE INTERNATIONAL
NAVIGATOR
ERIC VAN DER HEIJDEN
The 4th act for the main stage will be announced soon.
We're busy with 2 other acts who will perform during the intervals.
Date: September 27, 2003
Full details on www.groove.nl Click on E-LIVE 2003
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
Kees Aerts
PO Box 2171
NL-8203 AD Lelystad
Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:31
pm
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
I wonder if there is any chance that any leftovers will be available from
TDI directly?
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Micke Stark Runsten micke.stark@g...
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:03:13 +0100
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
>
This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig,
(stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and
pick up some goodies for me (only CD´s).
Feel free to contact me off-list.
Many thanx,
Micke
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From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:36
pm
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Why???
Oops re-read my message again looks a bit like a rant not really was typing
this at office with boss approaching...
But, seriously, the economic conditions worldwide simply do not favour
organizing of concerts...too much business risks...its not hard to imagine
why TD only play at London or at certain parts of Germany these days...
Also, when will we have again an internet 'stream' broadcast (my new
computer will arrive in 1 or 2 days and I will definitely install 'FlashGet'
;-) and maybe an interactive chat (with webcam)?
Jeffrey
----- Original Message -----
From: coldwatercanyon
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Why???
> Why? Warum? Por Que? Wei Shen Me? Can go on and on...why TD did not tour
the Far East after 1983 in Japan? Its about 20 yrs...why not to Hong Kong?
why not to China...why not to my...hum...[back to silence]
>
> Jeffrey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Why???
> Date: Tue Jan 14 10:17:37 HKT 2003
>
>
> >(...)It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the
> >experience of TD playing in their country. --- Jan
>
> hah!
> don't tell me about it...
>
> gj np. tyger (it's GOOOD!)
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@s...
>
>
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:52
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
@Martin: there are an awful lot of these requests to collect extra
goodies. Back at one of the Shepherd's Bush concerts (I forget which
one), the limited addition CD was rationed to one each. I hope this
will not be the case at the Astoria as there will be a lot of very
disappointed people! Perhaps you could confirm what the policy would
be?
Many thanks,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michaeljean@e...'
wrote:
> I wonder if there is any chance that any leftovers will be
available from
> TDI directly?
>
> MJ
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Micke Stark Runsten micke.stark@g...
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:03:13 +0100
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
>
>
> > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the
Astoria for
> > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for
sale, plus
> > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
> >
>
> This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig,
> (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and
> pick up some goodies for me (only CD´s).
> Feel free to contact me off-list.
>
> Many thanx,
>
> Micke
>
>
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:59
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
At 13:52 14.01.03, you wrote:
>@Martin: there are an awful lot of these requests to collect extra
>goodies. Back at one of the Shepherd's Bush concerts (I forget which
>one), the limited addition CD was rationed to one each. I hope this
>will not be the case at the Astoria as there will be a lot of very
>disappointed people! Perhaps you could confirm what the policy would
>be?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>BTF
Dear Billy,
items will not be rationed... if we sell them all at the gig ... fine. :-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:23
pm
Subject: Astoria Feb 15th (Great Help wanted please)
Hello everyone
As i won't be there for the Tangerine Dream concert, is there anyone who can
buy a copy of the special CD for me ?
I hope there is someone who can help me for this.
Many thanks in advance.
Best wishes.
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th
Second request! Anyone (man, woman, beast,
alien-bloblike-thingy) who can help me out with
getting the limited edition cd at the concert next
month, please let me know.
I'm in Canada but I have a UK address which can be
used for mailing (thanks, Mum!) and I would reimburse
the person in question, of course.
Please drop me a line @ plantpot_73@y...
Cheers,
Jonnyboy
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From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:54
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III sign-ups
Hello everyone!
Since I'm awaiting a replacement disc from Yannick, I thought I'd keep the
sign-ups open a while longer. (Plus I only have 50 so far, and thought
there would be more...) So if you're interested in getting on the tree for
'Dreamwatchers' Tales, Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams', now is the
time. It'll be two redbook CDRs, for those who like to know such things.
If you're interested, please send the following information to
trichmond@b...:
Name
email address
City/State/Country
leaf status
Note: at this point I have enough branch volunteers to handle a tree about
twice as large as I have so far, so I don't really need branch sign-ups
anymore, EXCEPT in the UK, where I only have leaves signed up so far.
If you need further information, please contact me.
Cheers!
Tom Richmond
Menomonee Falls, WI
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: if you sacd so
If you have or have access to a dvd player, you should try your sacd disc on
that, as it is my understanding that all dvd players use 24-bit converters.
:-)
<<'
Subject: Re: recording limitations
Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer
that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!)
this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to
prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning
when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music
is available. Surely the next step?
TTFN,
BTF>>>
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:44
pm
Subject: Astoria
Anyone from Scandinavia going to London for the concert in Feb.?
I need someone to help me with that 'special' cd. Please contact me
off-list.
Come to think of it, this request applies to friendly folks outside of
Scandinavia as well.
Thanks
Olle
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From:
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:02
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos
To Martin: An additional question:
What currencies / paying methods will be accepted?
Best regards
Jörg
tadream@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 14.01.03 15:00:20:
> At 13:52 14.01.03, you wrote:
> >@Martin: there are an awful lot of these requests to collect extra
> >goodies. Back at one of the Shepherd's Bush concerts (I forget which
> >one), the limited addition CD was rationed to one each. I hope this
> >will not be the case at the Astoria as there will be a lot of very
> >disappointed people! Perhaps you could confirm what the policy would
> >be?
> >
> >Many thanks,
> >
> >BTF
>
> Dear Billy,
>
> items will not be rationed... if we sell them all at the gig ... fine. :-)
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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>
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD in different styles
Hi,
i had this cd already about a year before, and i think it's actually
great fun ;-). please note i don't say it's good but i think it's very
funny to listen to once in a while.
hey, we can't be seriously looking like Edgar F all of our lives can we ???
.... and probably any other latino album would have spoiled your x-mass as well
simply because latino music does not match our x-mass feel ....
tony/rotterdam
Citeren David Hughes :
> Hello all,
>
> Martin wrote :
>
> > *What about the Latino versions of Kraftwerk songs by Senor Coconut? ;-)
>
> I was given a copy of this at Christmas.
>
> Probably the quickest and most effective way yet discovered by man to
> totally
> wreck that Christmas good-vibe feeling.
>
> Yak!
>
> You have to ask 'what could be worse?' ?:)
>
> I'd rather listen to Edgar playing the theme to Streethawk on a kazoo.
>
> Regards
> David
From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:32
am
Subject: Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted!
>From: 'David Wakefield'
>Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:58 pm
>Subject: Re: [tadream] one spare ticket for the London concert and
some help wanted!
>
>
>My wife are staying at one of the hilton's for £99 for the night.
>Have a look at there
>web page and use www.yell.com to find the locations in London.
>
>Dave W
Anyone else who is planning to go to this show should think about
paying this sort of price for a room. There are many 2-star hotels in
London for much less--but you get what you pay for (by London
standards). Despite living there for 4 years, I very quickly forgot
what an insanely expensive city it is when I moved to Paris.
Last year my I went back with my girlfriend for a weekend and booked
us into a 2-star place near Paddington station. Aside from the filthy
frayed carpets, chunks knocked out of the walls and smell of puke,
the first thing we noticed on arriving was a senselessly drunk
Russian bloke asleep in the corridor in front of our room.
Needless to say, we didn't stay in that hotel :-)
Glynn
From:
'lutkos2002 '
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:21
am
Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
Hi Martin,
Thanks for this information. I finally made up my mind to attend the
concert in London. Well, it will be quite a trip living in Bangkok
nowadays, but I have to be in Berlin for business reasons at around
the same time anyway. So I can combine work with pleasure :-)
My question to you is whether you will accept just British Pounds to
buy merchandise at the venue, or, whether those of us who do not come
from Britain (it is beyond me why the British did not join the
monetary union, but that's beside the point) will be able to pay with
our Euros instead? As we do not know in advance what will strike our
fancy at the merchandise stall, we would have to exchange a lot more
money in advance than we might actually need and would be stuck with
it later.
All the best from Thailand,
Lutz
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote:
>
> >Hello fellow listizens,
>
> I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show:
>
> 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-
up. We´ll
> have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up
will be:
> - Edgar and Jerome Froese
> - Iris Kulterer
> - Zlatko Perica
>
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the
Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale,
plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
>
> 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict
curfew for
> 10 p.m.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:08
pm
Subject: rare cd on ebay
hi all
i have listed the rare Goblins Club Advance cd (Sequel records) on ebay
have a look at the link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2500672687&ssPageName=ADME:\
B:LC:UK:1
Thanks
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
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From:
Kent Eskildsen
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1644
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:55:57 +0100
From: 'Pergamon'
Subject: Re: Why???
Hi Jan and Tadreamers
Jan wrote;
> ...Thankfully there are other bands which can satisfy my need for live
> EM-music, by playing here inDenmark.
Well, we have this band called Navigator. We are two guys from Denmark and one
German and I am sure that you could say that our music will sound familiar to
TD fans.
We are going to play a concert on the 1th of Febuary in Loenstrup, DK
and later this year in Germany and Holland.
So you should all be very welcome to come and hear us if you happend to be
nearby.
> It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the
> experience of TD playing in their country. It is allways a something
> special when a preferred band plays in ones own part of the world.
Yes, In Denmark I can only recall a Klaus Schulze concert way back
in the eighties. I was there of course.
Also Jarre indoor on his Oxygene tour and last year we had the priviledge to
borrow him some windmills for his AERO concert. It was only 20 km from
where I live, so I can´t complain about that!
But I agree that EM has never been big in Scandinavia. Maybe too big an area
with too few people to gather interest for this kind of music. One positive
thing, though, in the later years it has been much easier to get in contact
with other people - both local and globally - with the same interest in
music, thanks to the Internet and mailing-lists like this one!
Best regards,
Kent/
Navigator
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales III sign-ups
Tom R said:
>Since I'm awaiting a replacement disc from Yannick, I thought I'd keep the
>sign-ups open a while longer. (Plus I only have 50 so far, and thought
>there would be more...)
Only 50?
Come on, folks, get it! it's nice, free (or almost) music made by nice
people... some of them even have more of it, in full length cds, if you
want! ;) ;) ;)
gj np: livemiles (my almost yearly audition... there are some sequences i
like though. nice to know it begins with a section of london, now that I
know london. (tyger is GOOOD! :)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution
layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that Sony
are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are some
players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as
standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality is
as good as that of dedicated players for SACD.
As the owner of one such dedicated player, I can certainly confirm that the
SACD layer of 'Rubycon' is superb and I'd certainly love all the other
Virgin TD to be available in the format but, sadly, I haven't seen or heard
of any movement in that direction as yet. However, if anyone else on the
List has heard a whisper about future TD SACDs, I'd love to know about it.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:12 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
> If you have or have access to a dvd player, you should try your sacd disc
on that, as it is my understanding that all dvd players use 24-bit
converters.
>
> :-)
>
> << Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:14 -0000
> From: 'billythefish01 '
> Subject: Re: recording limitations
>
> Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer
> that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!)
> this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to
> prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
>
> I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
> release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
> player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning
> when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
>
> I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music
> is available. Surely the next step?
>
> TTFN,
>
> BTF>>>
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:39
am
Subject: New Windham Hill Sampler
I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the Tangerine Dream track
'Cool at Heart'.
The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'. What's funny is that they
are marketing themselves as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential
tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all
tracks are made into one continuous mix, which is really just a cross fade.
Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies of the FAX label 'The
Ambient Cookbook II' - which is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must
for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from Dark Side of the Moog with
Klaus Schulze.
Vic
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:52
am
Subject: Re: if you sacd so
It plays on my CD player just fine! Not tried the DVD yet though. I
am still auditioning players... there is a very good Marantz
universal player but, like you say, it is a Jack of All Trades when
compared to the dedicated players. I may just wait a little longer...
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington'
wrote:
> You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high
resolution
> layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs
that Sony
> are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There
are some
> players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well
as
> standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound
quality is
> as good as that of dedicated players for SACD.
>
> As the owner of one such dedicated player, I can certainly confirm
that the
> SACD layer of 'Rubycon' is superb and I'd certainly love all the
other
> Virgin TD to be available in the format but, sadly, I haven't seen
or heard
> of any movement in that direction as yet. However, if anyone else
on the
> List has heard a whisper about future TD SACDs, I'd love to know
about it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:12 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
>
>
> > If you have or have access to a dvd player, you should try your
sacd disc
> on that, as it is my understanding that all dvd players use 24-bit
> converters.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > << > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:14 -0000
> > From: 'billythefish01 '
>
> > Subject: Re: recording limitations
> >
> > Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still
prefer
> > that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first
player!)
> > this information is fascinating and confirms why I am
beginning to
> > prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
> >
> > I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
> > release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
> > player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is
stunning
> > when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
> >
> > I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD
music
> > is available. Surely the next step?
> >
> > TTFN,
> >
> > BTF>>>
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
From:
forcemajeure27@a...
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria (CD's for the less traveled)
As with many before me, Travel will be impossible to London next month as I
just returned from Paris (They only let me out once a year)
Anyone willing to pick up an extra disc I will compensate handsomely.
Thanks...Dave
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From:
'obiwan kenomi'
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record was just over half an
hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl collection was on Klaus
Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track called Dymagic which runs
for 31 minutes and 45 seconds.
>From: 'Admin'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: [tadream] recording limitations
>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800
>
>Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)?
>Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and
>the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe
>the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a
>bit or is it compressed?
>
>Dale
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:34
pm
Subject: C.U.E./Fax was New Windham Hill Sampler
Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies of the FAX label 'The
Ambient Cookbook II' - which is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a
must
for anyone on this list!! <
speaking of FAX can someone recommend a good album by Charles
Uzzell-Edwards? I had the opportunity to see him live once and was
underwhelmed--may have been the venue (most likely) or the competition that
day--Kim Cascone or Steve Roach.
--T
np Steve Roach--All Is Now
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
I remember reading a long time ago that the optimum
max length for best sound quality was 20 minutes per
side.
As for what can be squeezed onto an lp I have a
bootleg lp that clocks in at just under 40 minutes per
side that plays fine and it's never skipped. Of course
it sounds mighty thin.
- DanD
--- obiwan kenomi wrote:
> As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record
> was just over half an
> hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl
> collection was on Klaus
> Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track
> called Dymagic which runs
> for 31 minutes and 45 seconds.
>
>
>
>
> >From: 'Admin'
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800
> >
> >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl
> recording could do(track)?
> >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the
> original vinyl recording and
> >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems
> the CD is hotter. Maybe
> >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft
> parts also be raised a
> >bit or is it compressed?
> >
> >Dale
> >
> >
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
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> mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
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> >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> >Tangerine Tree info at
> >http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
'braddito '
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:51
pm
Subject: OT Feb 15th and Euro's
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'lutkos2002 '
wrote:
(it is beyond me why the British did not join the
> monetary union, but that's beside the point)
Lutz, a few thoughts : British unemployed 950,000 and falling, German
unemployed reported as 4,000,000 and rising (this is a terrible
statistic for such a proud nation, although the Euro isn't solely
responsible), Italian shops are back to using Lire where possible, I
read that Germans in the Hamburg area want to go back to DEM, Germany
and Portugal have already received warnings for possible breach of
financial policy - if Germany can't meet the requirements to make the
Euro a successful currency, what hope have the rest got ? How will it
affect member states if the currency does become weaker due to the
failure of certain countries to keep to the rules ?
Monetary union is a nice theory for the politicians, but they
probably aren't the ones who will end up unemployed or short of
money, and most of them are so old, they'll be dead before the people
finally protest.
Britain is wise to watch things for a few years to see if the theory
can work in practice. It makes holidaying in Europe easier though, so
that's nice despite the price rises !
regards
Toby
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:17
pm
Subject: some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-)
A couple of days ago I sent out the new TT3 discs to most of my branches
& leaves, and it seems my timing was bad as usual because the cover
artwork isn't ready yet, also the tree structure in Joe's database needs
to be updated. I'm sorry for any inconvenience that has been caused,
however many of the people who meanwhile have received my discs aren't
even members of this mailing list, so I hope everything will go along as
planned.
I take this email as an opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to everyone
who was involved in the making of TT3 (which IMO is the best batch so
far): Wouter, Jerzy, Ramon, John, Klaus, and Maff & his gang :-)
Here are some comments about the concerts that are part of TT3:
Volume 17: East Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, 2 cdr (101
min.)
--I guess many of you know that this was Johannes Schmoelling's first
live appearance with Tangerine Dream. About two weeks ago I received an
email from Johannes (the reason he wrote me was a special Tree box
edition we sent to him a while ago, containg concerts from the time he
was a member of TD) He told me that at that time he felt it was way too
early for him to play such a big concert as he was in the band for maybe
only 3-4 months, and that he was nervous as hell playing improvised
music to a few thousand people.
Disc 1 starts with a short introduction (in German language) in which
the announcers give a brief history of what TD has done and released so
far. It is then followed by 38 minutes of music which didn't make it
onto 'Quichotte' (the first LP release on the GDR 'Amiga' label), nor on
'Pergamon' (the 1986 CD re-release). Really a superb track, and those
who love Pergamon or Tangram will be very pleased. Disc 2 contains two
tracks of which the first has a length of almost 46 minutes. The first
half was used for 'Pergamon/Quichotte', the second half and the encore
is also as yet unreleased. A truly mindblowing 100 minutes of music, and
thanks to list member Ramon I was lucky to get my hands on a tape copy
of a reel-to-reel master which was recorded in February 1980 by someone
who lived in East Germany. Unfortunately the reel-to-reel recording no
longer exists, but I'm sure you will be very pleased with the sound
quality (except for the first 10 minutes of the music on Disc 1 which is
slightly overmodulated in parts) And as with most of TD's official live
releases they only tell half of the story, because you will hear more
than 70 minutes of unreleased music from this magic event.
This release will (hopefully) replace 'White cloths', 'Staatsgrenze
West', 'Lifted curtain' etc.
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Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2 CDR (115 min.)
--A couple of weeks ago I was told to expect a 'killer version' of this
concert (a 2nd gen CHOM-FM radio broadcast), and Jerzy indeed did a
fantastic job . I am deeply impressed by the music, in fact I like it
better than Washington Lisner Auditorium 04 April (TT1, Vol. 4) or even
the official 'Encore' release. The music somehow sounds so convincing
(for use of a better word). Like Washington the concert again starts
with Cherokee lane, followed by Monolight (which is very close to the
version that's on 'Encore'), the rest is purely improvised. It's
difficult for me to come up with a favourite track because each of them
has its own fascination, but maybe the whole of Disc 2 is the winner.
For me this is the best unreleased document of the 'Encore' tour.
This release will (hopefully) replace 'Patrolling Space Borders' and
'Transformation'.
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Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976, 2 CDR (114 min.)
--my favourite recording of TT3, an audience master tape which will
delight everyone who likes the music of Nottingham 1976 (TT1, Vol. 1)
Although the sound quality doesn't quite match that of Nottingham it's
still an extremly good sounding recording, and musically it's definetly
on par with it. Some music sounds familiar, but for the most part it is
completely different to Nottingham (especially the whole of Disc 2).
What I like on Paris 76 is the variety, ranging from soft piano and
mellotron passages to music which is a total freakout (with Peter
Baumann screaming like as if he is possessed, and Edgar Froese playing
guitar like a mad axeman :-) Maybe the best track is the first one on
Disc 2, a beautiful improvisation which lasts for nearly 38 minutes, and
which could go on forever. The piece starts with an announcement by
Peter Baumann, and I would be glad if someone could let me know what
exactly he was saying (something like 'Schönen guten Abend. We now want
to play a song '.....' It's inspired by '....' and '....'. I hope you
enjoy it'?!) The first encore has some serious tape speed and sound
problems inbetween, but the rest is excellent.
This release will (hopefully) replace 'Keepers of dreams' and 'Paris 76'
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Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997, 1 CDR (68 min.)
--This is the complete 'Vintage set' which got broadcasted on Polish
radio at least twice. There's really not much for me to say (you all
know the tracks), except that the sound quality is awesome..a solid
10/10 which replaces the 'Warszawa wita was' CDR version.
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Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, 2 CDR (123 min.)
--this was taken from the DAT audience master recording, and for me it's
the best sounding source from the North American 'Rockoon' tour. I must
admit that I wasn't very keen on '220 volt live' when it was released in
1993 (in fact I almost hated it ;-) but this full recording here is much
more enjoyable to listen to. The music is for the most part a mixture of
tracks taken from 'Rockoon', 'Melrose', and of music that was released
as '220 volt live' almost a year after the tour was over. Here you find
'Purple haze' with sound bites of Daffy Duck (which got removed for '220
Volt live'), and lots of great guitar solos played by Zlatko Perica.
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Volume 22: Orange Theatre Antique 16 August 1975, 1 CDR (58 min.)
-- for the most part the music is overmodulated, and it does not equal
the sound quality of all the other concerts in TT3, however it seems to
be impossible to get hold of the master tape (and I'm not even sure if
it has a cleaner sound). Those who have this concert in one way or
another (it has been released as bootleg LP and various CDRs with titles
like 'Oranges from France', 'A dream unbound', 'Seekers of dreams' etc.)
though will hopefully find this Tree release an improvement. The music
itself is brilliant, and essential for those who like fast sequencers
(and here they are really fast!) It's one of those TD recordings where I
have to put on my safety belt when listening to the music under
headphones :-B
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Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973, 1 CDR (40 min.)
taken from a German radio broadcast, and it's quite bizarre and
fascinating. A few days after this concert TD would enter the studio to
record 'Phaedra', however the music on Vol. 23 has absolutely nothing to
do with this album. It's more like a mixture of sounds you can hear on
albums like Zeit, Alpha Centauri, or Atem. I'm sure that everyone who
likes these albums will appreciate Berlin 73 (incl. yours truly), but
for those who are more into sequencer music like Phaedra, Rubycon or
Ricochet it may be a bit difficult to listen to. A Krautrock
semi-classic. Sound quality is excellent and much better than what I had
before.
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Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheater 06 June 1986, 2 CDR
(115 min.)
--a copy of the audience master tape that replaces the 'Somnambulistic
imagery' boot CD version, and for me it's without a doubt the best
sounding audience version from the 1986 North American tour. I
absolutely LOVE the music on that tour (every tiny second!!), and it's a
shame that TD hasn't released a full 2 cd version yet. Most of the music
was taken from 'Underwater sunlight', but there are also bits from
'Legend' or 'Le Parc', plus unreleased music. As usual the American
audience is very..err...communicative ;-)
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Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977, 2 CDR (103 min.)
WARNING: to avoid deaf ears do not listen to Disc 2 loud under
headphones...trust me! ;-)
This show is quite unlike Monteal 77, in fact it sounds more like 'Heavy
Metal TD'. Halfway through the concert it seems to me that Edgar has
given up upon structure and tries his best to pay tribute to Detroit's
punk band The Stooges. Detroit 77 is without a doubt the highlight of
Edgar's guitar playing. Has anyone on this list seen this concert? It
must have been quite an outrageous gig.
For this we used an uknown but surely low generation tape (either 2nd or
3rd, no-one knows for sure), and the sound quality is very good.
This release (hopefully) replaces Acoustic LSD, Snackbar dreamer in
Detroit, The emerald beyond, Edison's last playoff etc etc.)
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Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980, 2 CDR (101 min.)
--a pleasant surprise, the sound quality of Brussels 80 is even better
than on Paris Bataclan 2/2/81 (TT2, Vol. 14) So far the best version was
a condensed 1 CDR release called 'Nostrasgram', but I hope/think that
the Tree release is better (at least it's complete). The first set is
slightly different than Paris 81, the second set is identical. First
encore is 'Choronzon' (the sound quality is almost that of a radio
broadcast), the second encore is like a short jam session. Some may like
it, but I find it a bit uninspiring. Nevertheless it's a great concert.
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..and this completes the results of the German jury :-)
I hope everyone will enjoy the music as much as I did, and any feedback
is appreciated (on or off-list)
Heiko
P.S.: I have about 15 complete TT3 sets for trade (17 audio CDRs against
payment), those who are interested can contact me off-list and ask for
details. This offer may be of interest to those who are at the end of
the Tree chain :-)
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
Hi Obi,
sorry but there are a few longer ones :
'a treatise on cosmic fire' - from todd rundren's album called 'initiation'
runs for some 36 mins. and i also have the vinyl version of isao tomita's
album called 'live at linz' which is a single lp version running for some 72 !!
minutes about in total, so also some 36 minutes per lp-side.
tony/rotterdam
Citeren obiwan kenomi :
> As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record was just over half an
> hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl collection was on Klaus
> Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track called Dymagic which runs
> for 31 minutes and 45 seconds.
>
>
>
>
> >From: 'Admin'
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800
> >
> >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)?
> >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and
> >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe
> >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a
> >bit or is it compressed?
> >
> >Dale
> >
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From:
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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:35
pm
Subject: Searching Ramon
I have an message from Ramon (R. Stommel) from January, 14th.
I have answered on the same day.
But there isn't a response.
Ramon please contact me off-list.
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
I don't think I made the post clear enough. I was talking about recording
levels (how high and low)(dynamic range). I noticed a big difference. One of
our tech list members pointed out the different mixes, which was what I was
thinking. Since then I been noticing some records with certain instruments
higher than others (which drew me to the song) not the same on the CD(which
I did not care for) and vice versa on others. Neil Young's Trans is one such
critter. The CD does not have the same sound as the record. Rubycon in my
ears is similar but higher levels. I am almost sure I am missing some very
low level parts that only seem to show up on the CD which then is a bit odd
with the rest of the mix.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'obiwan kenomi'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
> As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record was just over half an
> hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl collection was on Klaus
> Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track called Dymagic which runs
> for 31 minutes and 45 seconds.
>
>
>
>
> >From: 'Admin'
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800
> >
> >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)?
> >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and
> >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe
> >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a
> >bit or is it compressed?
> >
> >Dale
> >
> >
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Windham Hill Sampler
Vic,
You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note there
are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the two
c.d. set. You know I never really considered Windam
Hill as hip before.
The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
impressive. My question is why they did not include
more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' music?
Wade
--- vic rek wrote:
> I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the
> Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'.
> What's funny is that they are marketing themselves
> as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential
> tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
>
> I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into
> one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> fade.
>
> Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies
> of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which
> is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must
> for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
>
> Vic
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
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From:
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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: sacd playability
Oh, I see. Well, that's kind of a bummer. I thought since babel was able to
play it on a regular cd player, it might also play on a dvd player. Oh well...
<<
Subject: Re: Re: if you sacd so
You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution
layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that Sony
are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are some
players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as
standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality is
as good as that of dedicated players for SACD.>>>
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From:
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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: sacd playability
Not babel, but billy, oops. sorry!
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:55
pm
Subject: Re: sacd playability
I kind of prefer Babel actually! Another kind of fish of course! I
like your thinking. Good KS album too.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Liondream@a... wrote:
> Not babel, but billy, oops. sorry!
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:21
pm
Subject: Q for Martin K.
What exactly can we expect on the cd at the concert?
Also (and more importantly for us overseas folks) how
much is the cd going to cost? I have a very kind offer
from a group member to get the cd, but it would be
preferable, I think, to know if the cd is the usual UK
price of approx 14 pounds or if we have to pay
'merchandise prices' like 40 pounds!
Thanks,
Jonnyboy.
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-)
I would like to thank Heiko and the other folks again for the time
and effort they put in TT3. For the SHN people I would welcome to
maintain a small textfile here on yahoogroups with all tree releases
done so far and its corresponding md5sum signatures, so people can
check for authenticity and integrity of their shows anytime.
Rene
From:
'heineu '
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:03
pm
Subject: Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
To Vic and Wade,
I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham Hill, any statemant
that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On the description
(Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , no artists. Is
thats true???
Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD Sampler the
Artists???
Cheers
Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
http://www.opticaldream.de
http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon wrote:
> Vic,
>
> You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note there
> are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the two
> c.d. set. You know I never really considered Windam
> Hill as hip before.
>
> The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> impressive. My question is why they did not include
> more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' music?
>
> Wade
> --- vic rek wrote:
> > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the
> > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'.
> > What's funny is that they are marketing themselves
> > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential
> > tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
> >
> > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into
> > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> > fade.
> >
> > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies
> > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which
> > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must
> > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> >
> > Vic
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:20
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] recording limitations
You can get more on if you turn down the volume and reduce the dynamic
range a bit but it's not really what you want to do.
Matthew
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Downey [mailto:djambient@y...]
Sent: 15 January 2003 13:44
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations
I remember reading a long time ago that the optimum
max length for best sound quality was 20 minutes per
side.
As for what can be squeezed onto an lp I have a
bootleg lp that clocks in at just under 40 minutes per
side that plays fine and it's never skipped. Of course
it sounds mighty thin.
- DanD
--- obiwan kenomi wrote:
> As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record
> was just over half an
> hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl
> collection was on Klaus
> Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track
> called Dymagic which runs
> for 31 minutes and 45 seconds.
>
>
>
>
> >From: 'Admin'
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800
> >
> >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl
> recording could do(track)?
> >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the
> original vinyl recording and
> >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems
> the CD is hotter. Maybe
> >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft
> parts also be raised a
> >bit or is it compressed?
> >
> >Dale
> >
> >
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
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> >
> >Tangerine Tree info at
> >http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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>
>
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
You won't be able to use your Euros but you will be able to use a
bank/credit card.
Matthew
-----Original Message-----
From: lutkos2002 [mailto:lutkos@k...]
Sent: 14 January 2003 02:22
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos
Hi Martin,
Thanks for this information. I finally made up my mind to attend the
concert in London. Well, it will be quite a trip living in Bangkok
nowadays, but I have to be in Berlin for business reasons at around
the same time anyway. So I can combine work with pleasure :-)
My question to you is whether you will accept just British Pounds to
buy merchandise at the venue, or, whether those of us who do not come
from Britain (it is beyond me why the British did not join the
monetary union, but that's beside the point) will be able to pay with
our Euros instead? As we do not know in advance what will strike our
fancy at the merchandise stall, we would have to exchange a lot more
money in advance than we might actually need and would be stuck with
it later.
All the best from Thailand,
Lutz
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
wrote:
>
> >Hello fellow listizens,
>
> I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show:
>
> 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-
up. We´ll
> have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up
will be:
> - Edgar and Jerome Froese
> - Iris Kulterer
> - Zlatko Perica
>
> 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the
Astoria for
> the first time and will not be reprinted in this form.
> We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale,
plus
> the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches.
>
> 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict
curfew for
> 10 p.m.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
I think the liekly explanation is that Private Music and Windham Hill both
used to be distributed by BMG music. Probably some corporate merger gives
them the rights to both (notice Yanni and O'Hearn on Private Music) also
appear on the compilation)
Original Message:
-----------------
From: heineu heiko@o...
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:03:50 -0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
To Vic and Wade,
I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham Hill, any statemant
that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On the description
(Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , no artists. Is
thats true???
Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD Sampler the
Artists???
Cheers
Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
http://www.opticaldream.de
http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon wrote:
> Vic,
>
> You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note there
> are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the two
> c.d. set. You know I never really considered Windam
> Hill as hip before.
>
> The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> impressive. My question is why they did not include
> more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' music?
>
> Wade
> --- vic rek wrote:
> > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the
> > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'.
> > What's funny is that they are marketing themselves
> > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential
> > tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
> >
> > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into
> > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> > fade.
> >
> > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies
> > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which
> > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must
> > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> >
> > Vic
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe:
> > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
I bought a remastered anniversary edition of Mike Oldfield's Tubular
Bells only to find that the original vinyl sounded much better. I've
never heard a CD that sounds better than the equivalent vinyl but as
they are a lot more convenient so I tend to play them more.
Most modern studio recordings are made using 24 Bit recorders so an SACD
would be an exact copy of the studio master which makes them quite
special.
I would be surprised if the old vinyl could match them.
Matthew
-----Original Message-----
From: billythefish01
[mailto:mudspanker@y...]
Sent: 14 January 2003 09:51
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer
that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!)
this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to
prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning
when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music
is available. Surely the next step?
TTFN,
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
> > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do
(track)?
> > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl
recording and
> > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is
hotter. Maybe
> > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be
raised a
> > bit or is it compressed?
>
> The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of
the CD sounding
> hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could
cause the needle
> to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase
relationships,
> program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot
of playing
> time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing
time. Yes,
> there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max
volume on one LP
> could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What
most people
> don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs
(reduce bass
> at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an
LP was mixed,
> it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ,
compression, volume
> setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes
used to drive
> cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get
product on
> the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP
mastering that
> limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the
music we hear on
> CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was
the CD you
> heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple
issues of the
> CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider
dynamic range
> than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up
listening to LPs
> which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing
music that
> way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its
audience size,
> hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits.
Were any of
> these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you
have was
> mastered?
>
> And you thought you asked a simple question! :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
> Fox's Den Recording
> http://foxesden.us
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
I believe the selection is off of the american release
of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music.
Wade
--- 'heineu '
wrote:
> To Vic and Wade,
>
> I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham
> Hill, any statemant
> that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On
> the description
> (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name ,
> no artists. Is
> thats true???
>
> Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD
> Sampler the
> Artists???
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
> http://www.opticaldream.de
> http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
>
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon
> wrote:
> > Vic,
> >
> > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note
> there
> > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the
> two
> > c.d. set. You know I never really considered
> Windam
> > Hill as hip before.
> >
> > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> > impressive. My question is why they did not
> include
> > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out'
> music?
> >
> > Wade
> > --- vic rek wrote:
> > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with
> the
> > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill
> Chill'.
> > > What's funny is that they are marketing
> themselves
> > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30
> essential
> > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
> > >
> > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made
> into
> > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> > > fade.
> > >
> > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000
> copies
> > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' -
> which
> > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a
> must
> > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
You are absolutely correct 'Sir.' The mighty BMG
swallowed up both of them in one bound. Its gets very
confusing to see what corportation really owns a
label. It is kinda like musical chairs. An example
would be American Radio stations. Let's see: Disney
owns Clear Channel. Clear Channel owns Premiere.
Premiere own AM FM, Inc., etc... The record labels
the same thing happens.
Wade
--- 'michaeljean@e...'
wrote:
> I think the liekly explanation is that Private Music
> and Windham Hill both
> used to be distributed by BMG music. Probably some
> corporate merger gives
> them the rights to both (notice Yanni and O'Hearn on
> Private Music) also
> appear on the compilation)
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: heineu heiko@o...
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:03:50 -0000
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
>
>
> To Vic and Wade,
>
> I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham
> Hill, any statemant
> that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On
> the description
> (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name ,
> no artists. Is
> thats true???
>
> Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD
> Sampler the
> Artists???
>
> Cheers
> Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
> http://www.opticaldream.de
> http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
>
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon
> wrote:
> > Vic,
> >
> > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note
> there
> > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the
> two
> > c.d. set. You know I never really considered
> Windam
> > Hill as hip before.
> >
> > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> > impressive. My question is why they did not
> include
> > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out'
> music?
> >
> > Wade
> > --- vic rek wrote:
> > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with
> the
> > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill
> Chill'.
> > > What's funny is that they are marketing
> themselves
> > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30
> essential
> > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
> > >
> > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made
> into
> > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> > > fade.
> > >
> > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000
> copies
> > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' -
> which
> > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a
> must
> > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
The track 'Cool at Heart' is credited to and played by Tangerine Dream.
In the booklet it says (Edgar Froese, Paul Haslinger, Jerome Froese) and a
statement:
'More music you'll enjoy from TANGERINE DREAM: The Private Music of
Tangerine Dream 01005-82105-2' - which looks like the Private Music catalog
number. So, is Windham Hill re-releasing a TD album?
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Wade Gordon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
> I believe the selection is off of the american release
> of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music.
>
> Wade
>
> --- 'heineu '
> wrote:
> > To Vic and Wade,
> >
> > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham
> > Hill, any statemant
> > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On
> > the description
> > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name ,
> > no artists. Is
> > thats true???
> >
> > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD
> > Sampler the
> > Artists???
> >
> > Cheers
> > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
> > http://www.opticaldream.de
> > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon
> > wrote:
> > > Vic,
> > >
> > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note
> > there
> > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the
> > two
> > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered
> > Windam
> > > Hill as hip before.
> > >
> > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> > > impressive. My question is why they did not
> > include
> > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out'
> > music?
> > >
> > > Wade
> > > --- vic rek wrote:
> > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with
> > the
> > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill
> > Chill'.
> > > > What's funny is that they are marketing
> > themselves
> > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30
> > essential
> > > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
> > > >
> > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made
> > into
> > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> > > > fade.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000
> > copies
> > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' -
> > which
> > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a
> > must
> > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> > > >
> > > > Vic
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:31
pm
Subject: Network 23 on Orbital Compilation
The compilation is called 'Back to Mine'
track listing:
1. The Knack - John Barry & His Orchestra
2. Justice To The People - Lee Perry & The Upsetters
3. Babaloo - DSR
4. Spice - Eon
5. Love & ury - The Tornadoes
6. We Have Come To Bless The House - Severed Heads
7. Ska'ed For Life - Orbital
8. Schulmaedchen Report (title theme) - Gert Wilden & Orchestra
9. Kamikaze - PJ Harvey
10. Celebrate The Bullet - The Elected
11. No Idea - Earth Leakage Trip
12. Lost Property - The Divine Comedy
13. Pal Pal Teri Yaad - Falguni Pathak
14. Half Stepper - Hyper-On-Experience
15. Don't Burn Your Bridges - Susan Cadogan
16. Living In The Past - Jethro Tull
17. Network Twenty Three - Tangerine Dream
18. New Bass Hippo - Plaid
19. The Adventures Of Robinson Crusoe - Robert Mellin Orchestra
Greg H.
NP: Nuspirit Helsinki
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
Thank you Vic.
From what I am lead to understand Windham Hill and
Private Music have merged all under the banner of BMG.
See, life can be simple.
Wade
--- vic rek wrote:
> The track 'Cool at Heart' is credited to and played
> by Tangerine Dream.
>
> In the booklet it says (Edgar Froese, Paul
> Haslinger, Jerome Froese) and a
> statement:
> 'More music you'll enjoy from TANGERINE DREAM: The
> Private Music of
> Tangerine Dream 01005-82105-2' - which looks like
> the Private Music catalog
> number. So, is Windham Hill re-releasing a TD
> album?
>
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
>
>
> > I believe the selection is off of the american
> release
> > of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music.
> >
> > Wade
> >
> > --- 'heineu '
> > wrote:
> > > To Vic and Wade,
> > >
> > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham
> > > Hill, any statemant
> > > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD.
> On
> > > the description
> > > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name
> ,
> > > no artists. Is
> > > thats true???
> > >
> > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the
> 2CD
> > > Sampler the
> > > Artists???
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
> > > http://www.opticaldream.de
> > > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon
> > > wrote:
> > > > Vic,
> > > >
> > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note
> > > there
> > > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on
> the
> > > two
> > > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered
> > > Windam
> > > > Hill as hip before.
> > > >
> > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> > > > impressive. My question is why they did not
> > > include
> > > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out'
> > > music?
> > > >
> > > > Wade
> > > > --- vic rek wrote:
> > > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler
> with
> > > the
> > > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill
> > > Chill'.
> > > > > What's funny is that they are marketing
> > > themselves
> > > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30
> > > essential
> > > > > tracks from the original chill out label'
> :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using
> the
> > > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are
> made
> > > into
> > > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a
> cross
> > > > > fade.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of
> 1000
> > > copies
> > > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' -
> > > which
> > > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and
> a
> > > must
> > > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track
> from
> > > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vic
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:43
pm
Subject: The Coachman's tales
Hey,
While preparing for a Tangerine Dream radio special, I read the booklet of
Turn of the Tides and in it is printed an excerpt from 'The Coachman's
tales', by Edgar Froese.
So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book?
Glenn
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Thu
1/16/2003
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1/17/2003
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Sun
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Admin
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From:
Totta
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Coachman's tales
Hi all
If i remember correct there was a note in here where i could download
the tree 3 artwork, can anyone please send that url again
Thanks
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sacd playability
If he was playing a hybrid SACD on a CD player he would simply be listening
to the standard CD layer. If he tried to play a single layer Sony SACD on a
CD player he would get some sort of error, which probably depends on the
player. With my Marantz CD player, I can hear the player apparently
searching for (presumably) meaningful information in the table of contents
on a Sony SACD disc, then it just stops and lists no track numbers on the
front panel display.
By the way, don't confuse DVD with SACD. They are quite different. An SACD
is the physical realisation of Direct Stream Digital (DSD), a single bit
format sampled at a very high frequency (2.8224MHz) that relies on Delta
Sigma and not Pulse Code Modulation. The two are incompatible.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: sacd playability
> Oh, I see. Well, that's kind of a bummer. I thought since babel was able
to play it on a regular cd player, it might also play on a dvd player. Oh
well...
>
>
> << Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:24:15 +1300
> From: 'John Marchington'
> Subject: Re: Re: if you sacd so
>
> You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution
> layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that
Sony
> are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are
some
> players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as
> standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality
is
> as good as that of dedicated players for SACD.>>>
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From:
'dustych '
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:57
pm
Subject: Re: if you sacd so
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote:
> You won't be able to play SACDs....on anything but an SACD player.
Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on
anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD layer
of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. It should also work on some DVD players,
but there's a trick.
The problem with (even hybrid) SACD discs and DVD's is that they use the same
physical properties of the disc. If your DVD player has a separate laser to
read CD's, and/or if you can configure it to check for CD's first, then it
should be able to 'find' the CD layer.
The problem is, when it sees 'information' at its level, it thinks 'aha! I
have a DVD', but then it can't find the correctly formatted information it
thinks 'bummer! I canna play it, must be a bad disk', at which point it gives
up. If you can get it to 'see' the CD layer first, it just might work.
Funny story -- I had a black CD or two, and my SACD/CD/not-DVD player rejected
it, thinking it was a bad SACD. The green light lit up for a little bit, then
it went dead, just as was previously described. I reconfigured it to look for
CD layers first, and after that it played fine.
BTW, I disagree that the views are split on whether or not the universal
players are better or not -- it was my impression that some very impressive
universal players are beginning to enter the market. That may have used to
have been the case, but I don't think it's the case any more.
From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:06
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-)
No problem Heiko... You will never hear a complaint from me. And as for
the cover art I have no problem with downloading it when it is
ready....
Robert Asmus
-----Original Message-----
From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:17 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long &
boring ;-)
A couple of days ago I sent out the new TT3 discs to most of my branches
& leaves, and it seems my timing was bad as usual because the cover
artwork isn't ready yet, also the tree structure in Joe's database needs
to be updated. I'm sorry for any inconvenience that has been caused,
however many of the people who meanwhile have received my discs aren't
even members of this mailing list, so I hope everything will go along as
planned.
I take this email as an opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to everyone
who was involved in the making of TT3 (which IMO is the best batch so
far): Wouter, Jerzy, Ramon, John, Klaus, and Maff & his gang :-)
Here are some comments about the concerts that are part of TT3:
Volume 17: East Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, 2 cdr (101
min.)
--I guess many of you know that this was Johannes Schmoelling's first
live appearance with Tangerine Dream. About two weeks ago I received an
email from Johannes (the reason he wrote me was a special Tree box
edition we sent to him a while ago, containg concerts from the time he
was a member of TD) He told me that at that time he felt it was way too
early for him to play such a big concert as he was in the band for maybe
only 3-4 months, and that he was nervous as hell playing improvised
music to a few thousand people.
Disc 1 starts with a short introduction (in German language) in which
the announcers give a brief history of what TD has done and released so
far. It is then followed by 38 minutes of music which didn't make it
onto 'Quichotte' (the first LP release on the GDR 'Amiga' label), nor on
'Pergamon' (the 1986 CD re-release). Really a superb track, and those
who love Pergamon or Tangram will be very pleased. Disc 2 contains two
tracks of which the first has a length of almost 46 minutes. The first
half was used for 'Pergamon/Quichotte', the second half and the encore
is also as yet unreleased. A truly mindblowing 100 minutes of music, and
thanks to list member Ramon I was lucky to get my hands on a tape copy
of a reel-to-reel master which was recorded in February 1980 by someone
who lived in East Germany. Unfortunately the reel-to-reel recording no
longer exists, but I'm sure you will be very pleased with the sound
quality (except for the first 10 minutes of the music on Disc 1 which is
slightly overmodulated in parts) And as with most of TD's official live
releases they only tell half of the story, because you will hear more
than 70 minutes of unreleased music from this magic event.
This release will (hopefully) replace 'White cloths', 'Staatsgrenze
West', 'Lifted curtain' etc.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2 CDR (115 min.)
--A couple of weeks ago I was told to expect a 'killer version' of this
concert (a 2nd gen CHOM-FM radio broadcast), and Jerzy indeed did a
fantastic job . I am deeply impressed by the music, in fact I like it
better than Washington Lisner Auditorium 04 April (TT1, Vol. 4) or even
the official 'Encore' release. The music somehow sounds so convincing
(for use of a better word). Like Washington the concert again starts
with Cherokee lane, followed by Monolight (which is very close to the
version that's on 'Encore'), the rest is purely improvised. It's
difficult for me to come up with a favourite track because each of them
has its own fascination, but maybe the whole of Disc 2 is the winner.
For me this is the best unreleased document of the 'Encore' tour.
This release will (hopefully) replace 'Patrolling Space Borders' and
'Transformation'.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976, 2 CDR (114 min.)
--my favourite recording of TT3, an audience master tape which will
delight everyone who likes the music of Nottingham 1976 (TT1, Vol. 1)
Although the sound quality doesn't quite match that of Nottingham it's
still an extremly good sounding recording, and musically it's definetly
on par with it. Some music sounds familiar, but for the most part it is
completely different to Nottingham (especially the whole of Disc 2).
What I like on Paris 76 is the variety, ranging from soft piano and
mellotron passages to music which is a total freakout (with Peter
Baumann screaming like as if he is possessed, and Edgar Froese playing
guitar like a mad axeman :-) Maybe the best track is the first one on
Disc 2, a beautiful improvisation which lasts for nearly 38 minutes, and
which could go on forever. The piece starts with an announcement by
Peter Baumann, and I would be glad if someone could let me know what
exactly he was saying (something like 'Schönen guten Abend. We now want
to play a song '.....' It's inspired by '....' and '....'. I hope you
enjoy it'?!) The first encore has some serious tape speed and sound
problems inbetween, but the rest is excellent.
This release will (hopefully) replace 'Keepers of dreams' and 'Paris 76'
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997, 1 CDR (68 min.)
--This is the complete 'Vintage set' which got broadcasted on Polish
radio at least twice. There's really not much for me to say (you all
know the tracks), except that the sound quality is awesome..a solid
10/10 which replaces the 'Warszawa wita was' CDR version.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, 2 CDR (123 min.)
--this was taken from the DAT audience master recording, and for me it's
the best sounding source from the North American 'Rockoon' tour. I must
admit that I wasn't very keen on '220 volt live' when it was released in
1993 (in fact I almost hated it ;-) but this full recording here is much
more enjoyable to listen to. The music is for the most part a mixture of
tracks taken from 'Rockoon', 'Melrose', and of music that was released
as '220 volt live' almost a year after the tour was over. Here you find
'Purple haze' with sound bites of Daffy Duck (which got removed for '220
Volt live'), and lots of great guitar solos played by Zlatko Perica.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
Volume 22: Orange Theatre Antique 16 August 1975, 1 CDR (58 min.)
-- for the most part the music is overmodulated, and it does not equal
the sound quality of all the other concerts in TT3, however it seems to
be impossible to get hold of the master tape (and I'm not even sure if
it has a cleaner sound). Those who have this concert in one way or
another (it has been released as bootleg LP and various CDRs with titles
like 'Oranges from France', 'A dream unbound', 'Seekers of dreams' etc.)
though will hopefully find this Tree release an improvement. The music
itself is brilliant, and essential for those who like fast sequencers
(and here they are really fast!) It's one of those TD recordings where I
have to put on my safety belt when listening to the music under
headphones :-B
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973, 1 CDR (40 min.)
taken from a German radio broadcast, and it's quite bizarre and
fascinating. A few days after this concert TD would enter the studio to
record 'Phaedra', however the music on Vol. 23 has absolutely nothing to
do with this album. It's more like a mixture of sounds you can hear on
albums like Zeit, Alpha Centauri, or Atem. I'm sure that everyone who
likes these albums will appreciate Berlin 73 (incl. yours truly), but
for those who are more into sequencer music like Phaedra, Rubycon or
Ricochet it may be a bit difficult to listen to. A Krautrock
semi-classic. Sound quality is excellent and much better than what I had
before.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheater 06 June 1986, 2 CDR
(115 min.)
--a copy of the audience master tape that replaces the 'Somnambulistic
imagery' boot CD version, and for me it's without a doubt the best
sounding audience version from the 1986 North American tour. I
absolutely LOVE the music on that tour (every tiny second!!), and it's a
shame that TD hasn't released a full 2 cd version yet. Most of the music
was taken from 'Underwater sunlight', but there are also bits from
'Legend' or 'Le Parc', plus unreleased music. As usual the American
audience is very..err...communicative ;-)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977, 2 CDR (103 min.)
WARNING: to avoid deaf ears do not listen to Disc 2 loud under
headphones...trust me! ;-)
This show is quite unlike Monteal 77, in fact it sounds more like 'Heavy
Metal TD'. Halfway through the concert it seems to me that Edgar has
given up upon structure and tries his best to pay tribute to Detroit's
punk band The Stooges. Detroit 77 is without a doubt the highlight of
Edgar's guitar playing. Has anyone on this list seen this concert? It
must have been quite an outrageous gig.
For this we used an uknown but surely low generation tape (either 2nd or
3rd, no-one knows for sure), and the sound quality is very good.
This release (hopefully) replaces Acoustic LSD, Snackbar dreamer in
Detroit, The emerald beyond, Edison's last playoff etc etc.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980, 2 CDR (101 min.)
--a pleasant surprise, the sound quality of Brussels 80 is even better
than on Paris Bataclan 2/2/81 (TT2, Vol. 14) So far the best version was
a condensed 1 CDR release called 'Nostrasgram', but I hope/think that
the Tree release is better (at least it's complete). The first set is
slightly different than Paris 81, the second set is identical. First
encore is 'Choronzon' (the sound quality is almost that of a radio
broadcast), the second encore is like a short jam session. Some may like
it, but I find it a bit uninspiring. Nevertheless it's a great concert.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
..and this completes the results of the German jury :-)
I hope everyone will enjoy the music as much as I did, and any feedback
is appreciated (on or off-list)
Heiko
P.S.: I have about 15 complete TT3 sets for trade (17 audio CDRs against
payment), those who are interested can contact me off-list and ask for
details. This offer may be of interest to those who are at the end of
the Tree chain :-)
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From:
Felna Greymane
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:29
am
Subject: LONG replies
Ah.....read thru tonights digest, and about a third of it consisted of the
'replied message' text...and much of that was junk Yahoo appends to
messages. About the time you get thru the third reply on a thread, this is
a bit much. Just a request reminding everyone to trim replies a bit.
Thanks!
From:
'heineu '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:03
am
Subject: Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
Thank you Vic,
I ask this question only, because I cant found a credit on the
Windham Hill Homepage, that TD played this track realy. I know that
the track is taken from the Melrose release on Private Music. But I
think it is better when she write on the Windham Hill Homepage , what
artists are include on this sampler.
Cheers and thankx
Heiko - Mr. Optical
www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote:
> The track 'Cool at Heart' is credited to and played by Tangerine
Dream.
>
> In the booklet it says (Edgar Froese, Paul Haslinger, Jerome
Froese) and a
> statement:
> 'More music you'll enjoy from TANGERINE DREAM: The Private Music of
> Tangerine Dream 01005-82105-2' - which looks like the Private Music
catalog
> number. So, is Windham Hill re-releasing a TD album?
>
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Wade Gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler
>
>
> > I believe the selection is off of the american release
> > of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music.
> >
> > Wade
> >
> > --- 'heineu '
> > wrote:
> > > To Vic and Wade,
> > >
> > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham
> > > Hill, any statemant
> > > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On
> > > the description
> > > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name ,
> > > no artists. Is
> > > thats true???
> > >
> > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD
> > > Sampler the
> > > Artists???
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream
> > > http://www.opticaldream.de
> > > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon
> > > wrote:
> > > > Vic,
> > > >
> > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note
> > > there
> > > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the
> > > two
> > > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered
> > > Windam
> > > > Hill as hip before.
> > > >
> > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades
> > > > impressive. My question is why they did not
> > > include
> > > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out'
> > > music?
> > > >
> > > > Wade
> > > > --- vic rek wrote:
> > > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with
> > > the
> > > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'.
> > > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill
> > > Chill'.
> > > > > What's funny is that they are marketing
> > > themselves
> > > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30
> > > essential
> > > > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the
> > > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made
> > > into
> > > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross
> > > > > fade.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000
> > > copies
> > > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' -
> > > which
> > > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a
> > > must
> > > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from
> > > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vic
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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From:
'David Wakefield'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:10
pm
Subject: Recomendations
First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked
before, but
as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions.
I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references
to other
artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection is all
TD and some
of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you recommend I
buy to expand
my collection and listening pleasure
Thanks Dave W
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From:
'P.M. Dierking'
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:45
pm
Subject: Re: CDs for Astoria gig
> specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of
> previously unavailable material.
Should anyone wish to be so kind as to pick up a 'special CD' for me, I will
gladly purchase their copy for them as well. Please contact off-line:
pm@d...
Thanks,
P.M. Dierking
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
Sorry, I obviously didn't make myself clear. I was meaning the SACD layer of
a hybrid disc when I stated that an SACD player was necessary to play it and
erroneously assumed that everybody would understand that. The standard CD
layer of the hybrid or an ordinary CD can be played on an SACD or CD player
as you correctly state.
I also have a 'no frills' DVD player and can play standard audio CDs on
that.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote:
> > You won't be able to play SACDs....on anything but an SACD player.
>
> Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on
anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD
layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. It should also work on some DVD
players, but there's a trick.
>
> The problem with (even hybrid) SACD discs and DVD's is that they use the
same physical properties of the disc. If your DVD player has a separate
laser to read CD's, and/or if you can configure it to check for CD's first,
then it should be able to 'find' the CD layer.
>
> The problem is, when it sees 'information' at its level, it thinks 'aha!
I have a DVD', but then it can't find the correctly formatted information it
thinks 'bummer! I canna play it, must be a bad disk', at which point it
gives up. If you can get it to 'see' the CD layer first, it just might
work.
>
> Funny story -- I had a black CD or two, and my SACD/CD/not-DVD player
rejected it, thinking it was a bad SACD. The green light lit up for a
little bit, then it went dead, just as was previously described. I
reconfigured it to look for CD layers first, and after that it played fine.
>
> BTW, I disagree that the views are split on whether or not the universal
players are better or not -- it was my impression that some very impressive
universal players are beginning to enter the market. That may have used to
have been the case, but I don't think it's the case any more.
>
>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
I should have added a comment in response to your remarks about universal
DVD-A/SACD players. When I made the comment about differences of opinion, I
was referring to the Marantz DV8300 and its respective reviews in the
December issue of 'Gramophone' (pages 122/123) where Andrew Everard, the
magazine's Audio Editor, talks about 'The No compromise audio/video
solution' and goes on to say that it's the first player in his experience to
do justice to DVD-A recordings (see under 'Performance') and generally raves
about the machine in playing both DVD-As and SACDs. However, the review of
the same player in the November 'Hi-Fi News' (pages 42/43 and 45) is a
somewhat different story with much criticism, especially when the musical
material starts getting complex and loud. I quote one section from the
review by Paul Miller on page 45, beginning thus:'Clearly there is no
disputing the sheer versatility of the DV8300 nor the attraction of its
neat, one-stop solution. But while its music remains perfectly intelligible,
it still lacks that invigorating sparkle and insight regularly achieved by
ostensibly less ambitious high-resolution players.' (end of quote).
Two different people's opinions -- and, after reading both, it's as if each
was listening to a different player. (I assume that the player Mr Miller
auditioned was not faulty in any way). If I had just read Mr Everard's
review and was looking for such a player I probably would have rushed out
and bought it there and then. Having now read Mr Miller's as well, I would
want to have a long listen to it using a variety of material before making
up my mind. In the end, it's the only way one is going to be satisfied.
I have no doubt that truly excellent universal players will eventually
appear. I suggest, however, that they will be VERY expensive if they are to
do justice to two very different formats!!
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote:
> > You won't be able to play SACDs....on anything but an SACD player.
>
> Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on
anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD
layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. It should also work on some DVD
players, but there's a trick.
>
> The problem with (even hybrid) SACD discs and DVD's is that they use the
same physical properties of the disc. If your DVD player has a separate
laser to read CD's, and/or if you can configure it to check for CD's first,
then it should be able to 'find' the CD layer.
>
> The problem is, when it sees 'information' at its level, it thinks 'aha!
I have a DVD', but then it can't find the correctly formatted information it
thinks 'bummer! I canna play it, must be a bad disk', at which point it
gives up. If you can get it to 'see' the CD layer first, it just might
work.
>
> Funny story -- I had a black CD or two, and my SACD/CD/not-DVD player
rejected it, thinking it was a bad SACD. The green light lit up for a
little bit, then it went dead, just as was previously described. I
reconfigured it to look for CD layers first, and after that it played fine.
>
> BTW, I disagree that the views are split on whether or not the universal
players are better or not -- it was my impression that some very impressive
universal players are beginning to enter the market. That may have used to
have been the case, but I don't think it's the case any more.
>
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From:
'braddito '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:35
am
Subject: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies'
that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has
advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long
to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand.
There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up
Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up
with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his
home currency (plus getting left with coins).
Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of
the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to
support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could
give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available -
with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for
you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and
run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again.
Regards to all
Toby
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> You won't be able to use your Euros but you will be able to use a
> bank/credit card.
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Network 23 on Orbital Compilation
Is Network 23 a videodrome reference?
Matthew
From:
'Marc Dodsworth'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:11
am
Subject: Downloadable TT3?
Hi
I think this has been done for the previous two tape trees but I was
wondering if some-one is going to have
TT3 on an FTP server for download?
Given freight costs to and from Australia these days it's cheaper for an
unlimited ADSL account than postage.
Also means us poor souls in the 'arse-end of the world' (to quote a former
Australian Prime Minister) can get
it a bit quicker :-)
Thankx
Marc
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From:
'David Wakefield'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
What about using cheque's with a cheque guarantee card?
-------Original Message-------
From: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2003 09:35:36
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies'
that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has
advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long
to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand.
There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up
Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up
with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his
home currency (plus getting left with coins).
Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of
the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to
support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could
give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available -
with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for
you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and
run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again.
Regards to all
Toby
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Stringer' wrote:
> You won't be able to use your Euros but you will be able to use a
> bank/credit card.
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From:
Dennis Nigbur
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Coachman's tales
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:43 pm, Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion
Media\) wrote:
> While preparing for a Tangerine Dream radio special, I read the
> booklet of Turn of the Tides and in it is printed an excerpt from
> 'The Coachman's tales', by Edgar Froese.
> So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book?
One that Edgar might have written, but that has never been published.
I was actually naive enough at the time to ask for it at the local
bookstore, but of course it wasn't available. But as Edgar's into art
as well as music, I don't find it surprising that he might have tried
his hand at prose, either.
--
Dennis
From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
At 09:35 16.01.03, you wrote:
>Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies'
>that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has
>advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long
>to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand.
>
>There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up
>Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up
>with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his
>home currency (plus getting left with coins).
>
>Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of
>the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to
>support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could
>give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available -
>with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for
>you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and
>run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again.
>
>Regards to all
>Toby
Hi people,
how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of
available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This
should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the
staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for
those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will
become of this.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
At 10:15 16.01.03, you wrote:
>What about using cheque's with a cheque guarantee card?
>
Sorry, but not possible... the cashing-in fees would be too high.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:37
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Downloadable TT3?
I am will to activate my ftp program and host TT3 for anybody that
Would like to download it. All I need to get the disks and I will
Set them up on my ftp client.
Robert Asmus
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Dodsworth [mailto:marcd@i...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:12 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Downloadable TT3?
Hi
I think this has been done for the previous two tape trees but I was
wondering if some-one is going to have
TT3 on an FTP server for download?
Given freight costs to and from Australia these days it's cheaper for an
unlimited ADSL account than postage.
Also means us poor souls in the 'arse-end of the world' (to quote a
former
Australian Prime Minister) can get
it a bit quicker :-)
Thankx
Marc
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From:
'braddito '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:47
am
Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
Martin, this sounds great as it should help all of us. We get to
choose what we think we are going to buy (and we can help those who
can't be there knowing what the costs are going to be) so we bring
enough cash and TDI gain because you don't lose sales because people
don't have the cash.
I don't think you can do anything more given the practicalities of
the situation.
Thanks
Toby
> Hi people,
>
> how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list
of
> available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the
show. This
> should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest
of the
> staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the
limited CD for
> those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know
what will
> become of this.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:07
pm
Subject: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine!
The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the re-releases
of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review if anyone is
interested.
Regards,
Conrad
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:10
pm
Subject: Re: if you sacd so
A lot has to do with musical taste itself. I have auditioned the two
best reviewed universal machines (Marantz and Pioneer) and have
decided to wait until said excellent machines appear (although the
Marantz came close). I am in love with the Naim sound which to me
adds a lot of interest and excitement which is lost by not being at
the live performance. This is not everyone's cup of tea though...
and for TD and EM the sense of space it adds is excellent.
What systems people think TD sounds best on. Certainly, something
with bass extension...
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington'
wrote:
When I made the comment about differences of opinion, I
> was referring to the Marantz DV8300 and its respective reviews in
the
> December issue of 'Gramophone' (pages 122/123) where Andrew
Everard, the
> the same player in the November 'Hi-Fi News' (pages 42/43 and 45)
>
> Two different people's opinions -- and, after reading both, it's
as if each
> was listening to a different player. >
> I have no doubt that truly excellent universal players will
eventually
> appear. I suggest, however, that they will be VERY expensive if
they are to
> do justice to two very different formats!!
Yes, the Rubycon SACD is a hybrid, so I will only have been
listening to the CD layer. It was digitally remastered in 2001
though, so should be a better recording than previous releases.
Certainly, first impressions were that there was more bass, but much
more striking was how much more texture I could hear with all the
atmospherics and washes. The most striking difference were the sea
sounds 2/3rds way through part two which had much better imaging,
and I could really hear the filters sweeping over them.
If it is this good on CD then I cannot wait for an SACD player! And,
yes, bring on some more SACD releases!
BTF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
> > Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD
layer on
> anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the
regular CD
> layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players.
From:
'Georg Oppenberg'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:57
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Digest Number 1647
Hi Marc,
for TT2 I was one of the download sources. I will continue to provide
this service for TT3 and beyond. My server should have enough capacity
to serve all who are interested, giving good download speeds.
I already got in contact with Michael Berling who encodes the SHN discs
to ensure the SHN files make their way on my server as soon as possible.
Michael holds back the SHN discs till the artwork is finished which will
be on the discs together with the music. I hope that the disc will be
released till end of next week.
The download server is ftp:\\tt.rondua.de. You still find TT2 on this
server via anonymous FTP.
Enjoy!
Georg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Dodsworth [mailto:marcd@i...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:12 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Downloadable TT3?
>
> Hi
>
> I think this has been done for the previous two tape trees
> but I was wondering if some-one is going to have TT3 on an
> FTP server for download?
>
> Thankx
>
> Marc
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From:
'Roger Hartopp'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:44
pm
Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
Message: 15
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:21:16 +0100
From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
'Hi people,
how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of
available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This
should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the
staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for
those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will
become of this. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak'
I think, Martin, it would be a very good idea if you could hold back a small
portion of the limited CD.
With the considerable number of people writing to the list asking folks to
get hold of copies for them, I'm concerned that there may well be a number
of opportunists who will buy ten copies or more, knowing they stand a pretty
good chance of getting more than their money back. I'm one of those folk who
has asked someone very kindly to get me two copies for myself and Jarek
Wiktorowicz, but I don't want my buyer to find that he's made his way to the
front of the queue only to find they've all been sold out because one
b@$***d bought a hundred copies only to flog them all on e-bay.
There are many who will not have the chance to get hold of the disc, like
'The Keep', which was sold only on the UK tour in 1996 and now fetches a
considerable amount of money. They really should not have their hopes
dashed.
-Roger Hartopp (who would really like to go and can't make it this time...
:-(
Just
***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a**************
Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ?
mBIZNES - konto dla firm
http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
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From:
'Roger Hartopp '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:39
pm
Subject: Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine!
I recall a couple of months ago Electronic Meditation only got two stars in Q.
Conversely, the same mag, on the Castle Communications re-release a few years
ago, gave it four.
So what's the difference?:-O
Roger Hartopp
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gibbons, Conrad' wrote:
>
> The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the re-releases
of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review if anyone is
interested.
>
> Regards,
>
> Conrad
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From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine!
Are the reviews written by the same person?
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Hartopp
[mailto:gmroger@p...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:40 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine!
I recall a couple of months ago Electronic Meditation only got two stars
in Q.
Conversely, the same mag, on the Castle Communications re-release a few
years ago, gave it four.
So what's the difference?:-O
Roger Hartopp
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gibbons, Conrad'
wrote:
>
> The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the
re-releases of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review
if anyone is interested.
>
> Regards,
>
> Conrad
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From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:46
pm
Subject: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack
All,
You might be interested to know that the synth score for
the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on
CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to admit
having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period that
most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went
through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of
the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's scores.
I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it
finally has!
The opening titles music, in particular (which on this
CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite') is
outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits have
dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it stands
up far better than most of these 80s artifacts.
You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com
Glynn
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:06
pm
Subject: Other Artists
>David Wakefield asked:
>First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked
>before, but as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your
>opinions.
>
>I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references
>to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my
>collection is all
>TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you
>recommend I
>buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure
-Arcane
-Airsculpture
-Free System Projekt
-Kubusschnitt
-Redshift
-Klaus Schulze (you have to pick and choose if you want his music that
evolves quicker than 30 minutes!, like Historic Edition and Dark Side of
the Moog compilation)
-Peter Baumann - Transharmonic Nights
-Radio Massacre International
and if you want to broaden a little,
-Star Sounds Orchestra (w/ Steve Schroyder who performed on Alpha Centauri
and Zeit)
-Wolfram Spyra
and don't forget some of the Edgar Froese solo work.
-Morgan
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:24
pm
Subject: Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine!
At the same time, they gave Alpha Centauri four stars.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Roger Hartopp '
wrote:
> I recall a couple of months ago Electronic Meditation only got two
stars in Q.
>
> Conversely, the same mag, on the Castle Communications re-release
a few years ago, gave it four.
>
> So what's the difference?:-O
>
> Roger Hartopp
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gibbons, Conrad'
wrote:
> >
> > The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of
the re-releases of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type
the review if anyone is interested.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Conrad
From:
kevine@c...
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Network 23 on Orbital Compilation
> The compilation is called 'Back to Mine'
>
I only recognize 4 out of 19! - I must be getting old :-)
But, I recommend the Severed Heads track - We have come to Bless this
House. It is from their excellent 1984 release 'City Slab Horror' which
should be available via streaming mp3 from their website: www.sevcom.com
Unfortunately, it wasn't working a few minutes ago. Still, you could listen
to 1983's Since the Accident, which is nearly as good. :-|
Kevin Earley
IBM DB2 UDB Tools, Connectivity and Extenders Support
From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:56
pm
Subject: Re: Recomendations
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'David Wakefield' wrote:
>
> First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been
asked
> before, but
> as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions.
>
> I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of
references
> to other
> artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection
is all
> TD and some
> of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you
recommend I
> buy to expand
> my collection and listening pleasure
>
> Thanks Dave W
Not an easy question, because as you know each period of TD has its
own style. There are the early experimental years, the improvised
sequenced 75/76 shows, the golden 80ties, the new-agey 90ties...
Today there are several artists which try to recreate a certain time
period (for example 75/76 ) in its own way like Free System Projekt,
Air Sculpture etc. So if you like a lot Inferno, these 2 bands are
probably not the ones your are looking for.
Rene
From:
'tdfans'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Recomendations
http://www.domfscab.com/
http://www.johnlakveet.com
Regards ,
Jupe
----- Original Message -----
From: 'René Brenner'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:56 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Recomendations
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'David Wakefield' wrote:
> >
> > First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been
> asked
> > before, but
> > as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions.
> >
> > I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of
> references
> > to other
> > artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection
> is all
> > TD and some
> > of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you
> recommend I
> > buy to expand
> > my collection and listening pleasure
> >
> > Thanks Dave W
>
> Not an easy question, because as you know each period of TD has its
> own style. There are the early experimental years, the improvised
> sequenced 75/76 shows, the golden 80ties, the new-agey 90ties...
> Today there are several artists which try to recreate a certain time
> period (for example 75/76 ) in its own way like Free System Projekt,
> Air Sculpture etc. So if you like a lot Inferno, these 2 bands are
> probably not the ones your are looking for.
>
> Rene
>
>
>
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
Yesss !!!,
would certainly go for Radio Massacre International....
in a way they sound more TD than TD ever did ;-))
Kubusschnitt and Redshift are very good as well, would
not say Klaus Schulze is same as TD if i can recommend
one KS album to you i would go for 'X'
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Morgan Feldon :
>
> >David Wakefield asked:
> >First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked
> >before, but as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your
> >opinions.
> >
> >I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references
> >to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my
> >collection is all
> >TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you
> >recommend I
> >buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure
>
> -Arcane
> -Airsculpture
> -Free System Projekt
> -Kubusschnitt
> -Redshift
> -Klaus Schulze (you have to pick and choose if you want his music that
> evolves quicker than 30 minutes!, like Historic Edition and Dark Side of
> the Moog compilation)
> -Peter Baumann - Transharmonic Nights
> -Radio Massacre International
>
> and if you want to broaden a little,
> -Star Sounds Orchestra (w/ Steve Schroyder who performed on Alpha Centauri
> and Zeit)
> -Wolfram Spyra
>
> and don't forget some of the Edgar Froese solo work.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Philippe Gibone'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:23
pm
Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Digest Number 1647
Hello
Excuse a new-bie stupid question but what do I do with a shn file ? A simple
standard ordinary copy on a CDR and then I put it in my cd reader ?
Philippe
>The download server is ftp:\\tt.rondua.de. You still find TT2 on this
>server via anonymous FTP.
>
>Enjoy!
>
>Georg
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack
Dear Glynn,
'The Day of the Dead' (ost) has been out on c.d.
before. I guess that this is a reissue and might it
possible contain unreleased tracks? The website you
have given previously does not list the tracks. I do
have the c.d. (which came out in the 80's) and agree
that it has some pretty nifty sounds.
After listening to mine again I noticed that the c.d.
has the typical 80's synth sound. Although ultilizing
the readily available digital sounds it does go off on
its own tangent. And this is a very good thing.
Wade
--- 'Glynn Naughton '
wrote:
> All,
>
> You might be interested to know that the synth score
> for
> the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on
> CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to
> admit
> having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period
> that
> most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went
> through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of
> the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's
> scores.
> I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it
> finally has!
>
> The opening titles music, in particular (which on
> this
> CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite')
> is
> outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits
> have
> dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it
> stands
> up far better than most of these 80s artifacts.
>
> You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com
>
> Glynn
>
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack
Dear Glynn,
'The Day of the Dead' (ost) has been out on c.d.
before. I guess that this is a reissue and might it
possible contain unreleased tracks? The website you
have given previously does not list the tracks. I do
have the c.d. (which came out in the 80's) and agree
that it has some pretty nifty sounds.
After listening to mine again I noticed that the c.d.
has the typical 80's synth sound. Although ultilizing
the readily available digital sounds it does go off on
its own tangent. And this is a very good thing.
Wade
--- 'Glynn Naughton '
wrote:
> All,
>
> You might be interested to know that the synth score
> for
> the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on
> CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to
> admit
> having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period
> that
> most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went
> through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of
> the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's
> scores.
> I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it
> finally has!
>
> The opening titles music, in particular (which on
> this
> CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite')
> is
> outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits
> have
> dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it
> stands
> up far better than most of these 80s artifacts.
>
> You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com
>
> Glynn
>
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
> would certainly go for Radio Massacre International....
> in a way they sound more TD than TD ever did ;-))
Steve Dinsdale (of RMI) once told me that he wondered why everyone thinks of
their music as being so heavily influenced by TD, because he thinks it is not
;-)
> , would not say Klaus Schulze is same as TD if i can recommend
> one KS album to you i would go for 'X'
'X' is great, but MIRAGE is even more powerful. One of the best albums ever
made.
Period. :-)
Heiko
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TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1647
<>
I's have thought it was a Max Headroom reference.
'Network 23! The network that's a REAL mind
blower! And I just LO-LO-LO-LOVE those blipverts!'
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:59
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1647
PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of
flamingos...
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Chris Richards
wrote:
>
> 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-
James Earl Jones
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:14
pm
Subject: off list
Anyone know of a good insurance company to insure music instruments and the
like(equipment like mixers)? Rate I got was $10.00 per $1000.00 value.
Contact me off list Please.
Dale
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: yo-yo-flamingos
>PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of
>flamingos...
Plenty of bent knees?
I'd be interested to know the 'correct' answer, too...
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
>and if you want to broaden a little,
>-Star Sounds Orchestra (w/ Steve Schroyder who performed on Alpha Centauri
>and Zeit)
>-Wolfram Spyra
>
>-Morgan
Could we broaden a little bit more? I'd be interested in hearing about
people who do music that would be structure-vise similar to TD
(instrumental, long pieces, etc.) but not necessarily electronic?
I don't exactly mean Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield, rather something more ...
wait a minute ... In a more classical style?
John Vertical
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 1647
I think you have to watch Disney's Fantasia 2000 to get the
answer...........
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 1647
> PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of
> flamingos...
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Chris Richards
> wrote:
>
> >
> > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-
> James Earl Jones
> >
>
>
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>
From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1647
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Philippe Gibone'
wrote:
> Hello
> Excuse a new-bie stupid question but what do I do with a shn file ?
A simple
> standard ordinary copy on a CDR and then I put it in my cd reader ?
You have to decompress it first back to WAV using the Shorten tool
available for Windoze at http://www.etree.org/mkw.html. Then just use
your usual burner application and burn the WAVs on a CDR. Be sure to
avoid the 2-sec pre-gap.
Rene
From:
'Duncan McKee '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:46
pm
Subject: feb 15th
hi all
does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all
meet up?
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: feb 15th
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Duncan McKee '
wrote:
> hi all
> does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all
> meet up?
>
>
>
> Duncan McKee
>
> tangram@t...
> www.tadream.co.uk
> www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
>
> MSN Messenger dmckee20@h...
Here here,that would be very helpful,hopefully it will be one thats
big enough to accommadate a good crowd.
looking forward to seeing you all there.
Best regards
CJ
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Re: feb 15th
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:27
pm
Subject: re-Other Artists.
Rainbow Serpent,absolutely magnificent.Have a sit down and listen to
PULSE,Frank Specht and Gerd weinkamp have made some Awesome music.
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it?
Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too...
Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of Part 1/side1
, and much remixing.
The vinyl version,the 1973, is better.
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
> I bought a remastered anniversary edition of Mike Oldfield's Tubular
> Bells only to find that the original vinyl sounded much better. I've
> never heard a CD that sounds better than the equivalent vinyl but as
> they are a lot more convenient so I tend to play them more.
>
> Most modern studio recordings are made using 24 Bit recorders so an SACD
> would be an exact copy of the studio master which makes them quite
> special.
>
> I would be surprised if the old vinyl could match them.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billythefish01
> [mailto:mudspanker@y...]
> Sent: 14 January 2003 09:51
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
>
> Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer
> that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!)
> this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to
> prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
>
> I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
> release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
> player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning
> when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
>
> I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music
> is available. Surely the next step?
>
> TTFN,
>
> BTF
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Admin'
> > > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do
> (track)?
> > > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl
> recording and
> > > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is
> hotter. Maybe
> > > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be
> raised a
> > > bit or is it compressed?
> >
> > The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of
> the CD sounding
> > hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could
> cause the needle
> > to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase
> relationships,
> > program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot
> of playing
> > time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing
> time. Yes,
> > there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max
> volume on one LP
> > could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What
> most people
> > don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs
> (reduce bass
> > at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an
> LP was mixed,
> > it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ,
> compression, volume
> > setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes
> used to drive
> > cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get
> product on
> > the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP
> mastering that
> > limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the
> music we hear on
> > CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was
> the CD you
> > heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple
> issues of the
> > CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider
> dynamic range
> > than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up
> listening to LPs
> > which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing
> music that
> > way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its
> audience size,
> > hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits.
> Were any of
> > these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you
> have was
> > mastered?
> >
> > And you thought you asked a simple question! :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill
> > Fox's Den Recording
> > http://foxesden.us
>
>
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Tubular 30th Anniv
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From:
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Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:01
pm
Subject: Re: insurance
Yes, please: ditto. Also off-list.
Liondream@a...
<<
Subject: off list
Anyone know of a good insurance company to insure music instruments and the
like(equipment like mixers)? Rate I got was $10.00 per $1000.00 value.
Contact me off list Please.
Dale>>>
From:
'Duncan McKee '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: feb 15th
hi all
after a liitle searching on the net i have found a pub which may do
for us.
it is called the MOON UNDER WATER, here is a link to it
http://www.beerguide.co.uk/towns/westminster.htm
it is not that far from the astoria theatre
Duncan
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson '
wrote:
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Duncan McKee '
> wrote:
> > hi all
> > does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all
> > meet up?
> >
> >
> >
> > Duncan McKee
> >
> > tangram@t...
> > www.tadream.co.uk
> > www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
> >
> > MSN Messenger dmckee20@h...
> Here here,that would be very helpful,hopefully it will be one
thats
> big enough to accommadate a good crowd.
> looking forward to seeing you all there.
> Best regards
> CJ
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
I think it's the 25th; it came in a fancy box with pictures and
background info and was pressed on a gold CD.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...]
Sent: 16 January 2003 20:44
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it?
Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too...
Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of Part
1/side1
, and much remixing.
The vinyl version,the 1973, is better.
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
> I bought a remastered anniversary edition of Mike Oldfield's Tubular
> Bells only to find that the original vinyl sounded much better. I've
> never heard a CD that sounds better than the equivalent vinyl but as
> they are a lot more convenient so I tend to play them more.
>
> Most modern studio recordings are made using 24 Bit recorders so an
SACD
> would be an exact copy of the studio master which makes them quite
> special.
>
> I would be surprised if the old vinyl could match them.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billythefish01
> [mailto:mudspanker@y...]
> Sent: 14 January 2003 09:51
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
>
> Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer
> that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!)
> this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to
> prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound.
>
> I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD
> release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD
> player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning
> when compared to my old OVED vinyl release.
>
> I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music
> is available. Surely the next step?
>
> TTFN,
>
> BTF
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Admin'
> > > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do
> (track)?
> > > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl
> recording and
> > > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is
> hotter. Maybe
> > > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be
> raised a
> > > bit or is it compressed?
> >
> > The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of
> the CD sounding
> > hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could
> cause the needle
> > to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase
> relationships,
> > program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot
> of playing
> > time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing
> time. Yes,
> > there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max
> volume on one LP
> > could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What
> most people
> > don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs
> (reduce bass
> > at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an
> LP was mixed,
> > it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ,
> compression, volume
> > setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes
> used to drive
> > cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get
> product on
> > the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP
> mastering that
> > limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the
> music we hear on
> > CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was
> the CD you
> > heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple
> issues of the
> > CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider
> dynamic range
> > than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up
> listening to LPs
> > which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing
> music that
> > way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its
> audience size,
> > hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits.
> Were any of
> > these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you
> have was
> > mastered?
> >
> > And you thought you asked a simple question! :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill
> > Fox's Den Recording
> > http://foxesden.us
>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
Regarding the two Marantz DV8300 reviews I spoke of, your comment about
musical taste is very true in this instance, with Mr Everard of 'Gramophone'
tending to concentrate on listening to classical music while the recordings
Mr Miller from 'Hi-Fi News' used in his auditioning seemed to be devoted to
pop.
My SACD player is actually an early Sony two channel player but it has been
extensively modified in numerous ways -- a new clock module and totally new
analogue filter board with discrete components in place of op amps and the
elimination of all coupling capacitors in the signal path-- so that it now
produces a totally different sort of sound from Sony's design: far greater
refinement, clarity and spaciousness and tremendous punch at low
frequencies. I have a number of CD players including a Marantz CD-7 and the
monoblock amps/pre-amp are a NZ designed and manufactured valve set up with
MOS-FET output stages in the monoblocks that drive very large electrostatic
speakers from the US, which are capable of producing high sound levels
without distress and massive amounts of genuine bass.
For me the best TD sound, like that from many of the Virgin recordings,
incorporates depth and spaciousness -- the SACD 'Rubycon' is marvellous in
both respects -- but I agree that bass extension is important as well. The
electrostatics are great for producing all those characteristics.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:10 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
> A lot has to do with musical taste itself. I have auditioned the two
> best reviewed universal machines (Marantz and Pioneer) and have
> decided to wait until said excellent machines appear (although the
> Marantz came close). I am in love with the Naim sound which to me
> adds a lot of interest and excitement which is lost by not being at
> the live performance. This is not everyone's cup of tea though...
> and for TD and EM the sense of space it adds is excellent.
>
> What systems people think TD sounds best on. Certainly, something
> with bass extension...
>
>
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington'
> wrote:
> When I made the comment about differences of opinion, I
> > was referring to the Marantz DV8300 and its respective reviews in
> the
> > December issue of 'Gramophone' (pages 122/123) where Andrew
> Everard, the
>
> > the same player in the November 'Hi-Fi News' (pages 42/43 and 45)
> >
> > Two different people's opinions -- and, after reading both, it's
> as if each
> > was listening to a different player. >
> > I have no doubt that truly excellent universal players will
> eventually
> > appear. I suggest, however, that they will be VERY expensive if
> they are to
> > do justice to two very different formats!!
>
>
> Yes, the Rubycon SACD is a hybrid, so I will only have been
> listening to the CD layer. It was digitally remastered in 2001
> though, so should be a better recording than previous releases.
>
> Certainly, first impressions were that there was more bass, but much
> more striking was how much more texture I could hear with all the
> atmospherics and washes. The most striking difference were the sea
> sounds 2/3rds way through part two which had much better imaging,
> and I could really hear the filters sweeping over them.
>
> If it is this good on CD then I cannot wait for an SACD player! And,
> yes, bring on some more SACD releases!
>
> BTF
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM
> > Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
>
> > > Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD
> layer on
> > anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the
> regular CD
> > layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players.
>
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From:
'Hilary Wright '
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:12
am
Subject: FTP server UP
Dear Friends,
Just a note to let you know that my FTP server is back up, mostly at
weekends as usual.
Hilary
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From:
'Hilary Wright '
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:16
am
Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
Hi Martin,
I too, would appreciate it if you could 'hold back' a copy of the tour
CD. Perhaps you could make them available on the website?
Hilary
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Roger Hartopp' wrote:
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:21:16 +0100
> From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
> Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
>
> 'Hi people,
>
> how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of
> available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the
show. This
> should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest
of the
> staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited
CD for
> those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know
what will
> become of this. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak'
From:
Vincent Goudreault
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:24
am
Subject: Re: Recomendations
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:10:52 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
> From: 'David Wakefield'
> Subject: Recomendations
>
>
> First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked
> before, but
> as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions.
>
> I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references
> to other
> artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection is all
> TD and some
> of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you recommend I
> buy to expand
> my collection and listening pleasure
>
> Thanks Dave W
No apologies required Dave.
As to what you would consider worthy of attention, it all depends on
your favourite area or style, in most cases, this is linked with the
style TD had one the album that got you 'hooked'.
Surely others members of the group will come up with their own views.
As for me, since the first exposure I had was from the Froese Franke
Beauman period (Phaedra, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Ricochet) I favour the
somewhat spacey style, long tracks, with SEQUENCER! Goota love
those sequencers!
For more in the same vein, Mark Shreeve's latest project ARC (with Ian
Boddy,
whom I haven't checked solo yet) and especially his band Redshift (5 albums
so far, the last two came out in the last few months) feel just like circa
1975
TD; which is just what I needed.
Regards
C.B.Vincent Goudreault
First exposure: Stratosfear
Fave albums: Ricochet/Rubycon
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Recommendations
'David Wakefield' writes:
>I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references
>to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection
is all
>TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you
recommend I
>buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure
In addition to what others have recommended, I would suggest looking into the
Brain (there appear to be multiple entities that have recorded under that
name - I'm referring to the one with the album 'Access and Amplify'),
Synaesthesia, and the two 'Spheres' albums by Delerium. And if you want to
see how different you can get while retaining a noticeable and explicit TD
influence, check out Forma Tadre.
--Daniel
NP: Juno Reactor - Bible of Dreams
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:12
am
Subject: new Berlin School friendly sequencer
check out the new sequencer Numerology at http://five12.com
i've been using it for awhile, and it lets you do alot of fiddly
Franke-style tricks very easily without tracking down those rare PPG
and Moog 960 sequencers.
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www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: feb 15th
> hi all
> after a liitle searching on the net i have found a pub which may do
> for us.
> it is called the MOON UNDER WATER, here is a link to it
> http://www.beerguide.co.uk/towns/westminster.htm
>
> it is not that far from the astoria theatre
Well it has my vote! (unless someone else comes up with a better suggestion)
'The beer was great' and 'the food as always was good'...but are you sure
this is really a London pub?
;-))))
Heiko
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From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please
Hi all,
Martin's efforts are greatly appreciated, how many bands do you know that
would go to those lengths? One thing though, I think there are still quite
a lot of people who are worried that the copies will sell out before they
get to the front of the queue - if it was me, I would restrict the number
that any one person could buy, perhaps 5 would be reasonable - what do you
think?
Paul Fellows (who will be there :-))
on 15/01/03 18:21, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak at martin@t...
wrote:
> At 09:35 16.01.03, you wrote:
>> Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies'
>> that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has
>> advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long
>> to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand.
>>
>> There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up
>> Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up
>> with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his
>> home currency (plus getting left with coins).
>>
>> Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of
>> the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to
>> support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could
>> give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available -
>> with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for
>> you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and
>> run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again.
>>
>> Regards to all
>> Toby
>
> Hi people,
>
> how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of
> available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This
> should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the
> staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for
> those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will
> become of this.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:58
am
Subject: RE:shn files (was [tadream] Digest Number 1648)
etree also had a plugin for winamp2 that allows you to play shn files
directly (from the cdr if needed).
daniel
From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
Hi John
Citeren John Vertical :
> Could we broaden a little bit more? I'd be interested in hearing about
> people who do music that would be structure-vise similar to TD
> (instrumental, long pieces, etc.) but not necessarily electronic?
>
> I don't exactly mean Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield, rather something more ...
> wait a minute ... In a more classical style?
a more 'classical style' ??
ever tried a british band called 'the enid' ??? their albums 'in the region of
the summer stars' and 'aerie faery nonsense' are true classics indeed ........
tony/rotterdam
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:08
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Other Artists
This will be the most pointless nonsence you'll here, but if there is a used
cd store near you, go out and grab half a dozen $1 or $2 cds... cheaper then
singles, and you could find something you really enjoy with little to lose.
:-)
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: tony.vandergaag@p...
[mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:08 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
Hi John
Citeren John Vertical :
> Could we broaden a little bit more? I'd be interested in hearing about
> people who do music that would be structure-vise similar to TD
> (instrumental, long pieces, etc.) but not necessarily electronic?
>
> I don't exactly mean Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield, rather something more
...
> wait a minute ... In a more classical style?
a more 'classical style' ??
ever tried a british band called 'the enid' ??? their albums 'in the region
of
the summer stars' and 'aerie faery nonsense' are true classics indeed
........
tony/rotterdam
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
I never thought that electrostatic speakers were very good in the old bass
department, I've heard a few hybrid speakers that try to give the best of
both worlds but I've always prefered normal magnetic speakers.
Also why would you have a valve amp with a Metal Oxide Semiconductor
field-effect transistor output?
It's usually one or the other.
I've seen valve preamps but you wouldn't use that on a CD, usually a guitar!
Matthew
I have a number of CD players including a Marantz CD-7 and the
> monoblock amps/pre-amp are a NZ designed and manufactured valve set up
with
> MOS-FET output stages in the monoblocks that drive very large
electrostatic
> speakers from the US, which are capable of producing high sound levels
> without distress and massive amounts of genuine bass.
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:52:56 +0100 Heiko Heerssen
writes:
>'X' is great, but MIRAGE is even more powerful. One of the
>best albums ever made.
>Period. :-)
Is that something like saying, 'Cool at Heart' is one
of the best TD songs ever made, period'? ;)
> Heiko
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack
I think it's a shame that Goblin didn't do the score
as they did so good job in the previous Dead-film,
Dawn Of The Dead. Altough I don't think that the
scores from horror movies are the most entertaining
thing in the world as they are mostly very depressive.
Only thing that I can remeber from the Day-score is
the synths, altough I'm not saying it's a bad score. I
just can't remeber. And as always, it's a good sign
when the album gets mostly a really bad rating in
several reviews on the web.
As for the movie Day Of The Dead, I was thrilled
because the opening scene is one of the best and most
horrifying of all time. It shows perfectly how the
world has been overthrown by living dead. But after
that, the story drags a bit and the resolution seems
to be repeating the end of previous films.
Regards,
Marko Marin
--- 'Glynn Naughton '
wrote:
> All,
>
> You might be interested to know that the synth score
> for
> the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on
> CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to
> admit
> having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period
> that
> most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went
> through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of
> the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's
> scores.
> I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it
> finally has!
>
> The opening titles music, in particular (which on
> this
> CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite')
> is
> outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits
> have
> dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it
> stands
> up far better than most of these 80s artifacts.
>
> You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com
>
> Glynn
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack
--- Wade Gordon wrote:
> Dear Glynn,
>
> 'The Day of the Dead' (ost) has been out on c.d.
> before. I guess that this is a reissue and might it
> possible contain unreleased tracks? The website you
> have given previously does not list the tracks. I
> do
> have the c.d. (which came out in the 80's) and agree
> that it has some pretty nifty sounds.
Check www.cinemusic.net. There's a review with the
track listing if I remember correctly (haven't visited
there for a while) and there were some new tracks.
Regards,
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
>
>Steve Dinsdale
* 'DINSDALE!' Sorry for the OT (...I just get this
Monty Python flashback whenever I read Steve´s name. No offense intended,
Steve.) ;-)
Re. other artists: what about John Carpenter´s film scores? They were
pretty simplistic but he did have his distinct own style, methinks.
Regarding music with a similar feel as early TD but employing different
instrumentation: what do you think about Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
>Steve Dinsdale
* 'DINSDALE!' Sorry for the OT (...I just get this
Monty Python flashback whenever I read Steve´s name. No offense intended,
Steve.) ;-)
LOL.........................
Jan
From:
John McIntyre
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: yo-yo-flamingos
John Vertical wrote:
> >PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of
> >flamingos...
>
> Plenty of bent knees?
> I'd be interested to know the 'correct' answer, too...
The question is posed as a lead-in to a segment in _Fantasia 2000_. In the
segment, you have a rigid conformist social structure amongst the flamingos
where everyone behaves the same, except for the lone loony with the yo-yo.
At first, his antics with the yo-yo are met with disapproval, but eventually
he wins the others over. It's a simple parable about the value of
non-conformity, which is ironic coming from Disney Corporation. Anyway, the
simple answer is 'anarchy.' (-8
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists
Steven Feldman wrote:
> Is that something like saying, 'Cool at Heart' is one
>of the best TD songs ever made, period'? ;)
Yikes. 'Cool at Heart' started playing on my 3,700-song shuffling playlist
literally just as I opened that message. Thanks for freaking me out. ;)
--Daniel
NP: um... Cool at Heart
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 4:28
pm
Subject: Re: seq hi five
Ahhsome!!!! Looks like Mac only though. Is it?
I suspect that the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very difficult to virtually
track down for too much longer.
But this looks much cooler.
<<
Subject: new Berlin School friendly sequencer
check out the new sequencer Numerology at http://five12.com
i've been using it for awhile, and it lets you do alot of fiddly
Franke-style tricks very easily without tracking down those rare PPG
and Moog 960 sequencers.>>>
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: OT: yo-yo-flamingos
Most grateful to you!
I didn't know flamingos had thumbs, but then again, disney's idea of
nature always was a bit doubtful!
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, John McIntyre wrote:
> John Vertical wrote:
>
> > >PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of
> > >flamingos...
> >
> > Plenty of bent knees?
> > I'd be interested to know the 'correct' answer, too...
>
> The question is posed as a lead-in to a segment in _Fantasia
2000_. In the
> segment, you have a rigid conformist social structure amongst the
flamingos
> where everyone behaves the same, except for the lone loony with
the yo-yo.
> At first, his antics with the yo-yo are met with disapproval, but
eventually
> he wins the others over. It's a simple parable about the value of
> non-conformity, which is ironic coming from Disney Corporation.
Anyway, the
> simple answer is 'anarchy.' (-8
>
> John McIntyre
> Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
> Michigan State University
> mcintyre@p...
From:
'Philippe Gibone'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:16
am
Subject: RE:shn files (was [tadream] Digest Number 1648)
Great :thanks
Philippe
>From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
>
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com''
>Subject: RE:shn files (was [tadream] Digest Number 1648)
>Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:58:59 -0000
>
>etree also had a plugin for winamp2 that allows you to play shn files
>directly (from the cdr if needed).
>
>daniel
>
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From:
'strangeronahill '
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:14
am
Subject: Urgent message to Ray Hallett and Vincent
Can you contact me off group please?. I have had to change my e-mail
address.
Thanks
Derek
From:
'strangeronahill '
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:10
pm
Subject: Q Review of Zeit and Atem
Teutonic space-rock pioneers' third and fourth albums.
Trippy and trance-like, Tangerine Dream, the brainchild of Edgar
Froese, were about as far out as you could go in the early-'70s
without disappearing into the ether. Much may have happened since,
but the tactile soundscaping of Zeit (a double album in its original
vinyl format, released in 1972) and Atem (from 1973) with its brutal
title track, remain key to the krautrock cannon. The original chill-
out meisters perhaps?
Zeit 4 stars
Atem 3 stars
From:
'David Wakefield'
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] feb 15th
Yes we will recognise each by our TD t-shirts
Not!
On a serious note......good idea............anyone from the area care to
recommend
one?
-------Original Message-------
From: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2003 19:46:48
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] feb 15th
hi all
does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all
meet up?
Duncan McKee
tangram@t...
www.tadream.co.uk
www.tangerine-dream.co.uk
MSN Messenger dmckee20@h...
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From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: feb 15th
The Astoria is right on the door step of Covent Garden and Soho, so
the choices are huge!
I know a few places but am not sure what everyone's idea of a good
place to meet would be... food? character? good beer (for those with
strong bladders) and if so, what kind?
There are also a few late night place for afterwards.
I also suggest a visit to Turnkey which is on the same road as the
Astoria. In the Basement is a synth museum which contains a modular
moog, various other modulars and a host of other analogue beauties.
Could be expensive!
TTFN
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen
wrote:
>
>
> > hi all
> > after a liitle searching on the net i have found a pub which may
do
> > for us.
> > it is called the MOON UNDER WATER, here is a link to it
> > http://www.beerguide.co.uk/towns/westminster.htm
> >
> > it is not that far from the astoria theatre
>
> Well it has my vote! (unless someone else comes up with a better
suggestion)
> 'The beer was great' and 'the food as always was good'...but are
you sure
> this is really a London pub?
> ;-))))
>
> Heiko
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Coachman's tales
>Dunno. Wasn't there something similar in Mars Polaris, too?
>
> > Turn of the Tides and in it is printed an excerpt from 'The Coachman's
> > tales', by Edgar Froese.
> > So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book?
The Mars Polaris inner sleeve has an excerpt from 'The Seven Platonic Tales
by P.L. and E.F.' The story sounds like it would have been compressed big
time...
E.F. presumably is Edgar, but who's P.L? There's a Peter Liendl in the music
credits as the Berlin Studio Assistant, is it him?
Or the G.B. and C.R. mentioned in the story? They are supposed to be
brothers — so the B and R probably do not stand for family names?
And could the MP track titles link to this story in some way, like the ToTT
track titles did? Mars Mission Counter, Tharsis Maneuver, etc?
talk about a mystery...
I think I'll move this to the tadream list, it could gather a greater
interest...
John Vertical
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: seq hi five
> From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
>
> Ahhsome!!!! Looks like Mac only though. Is it?
>
> I suspect that the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very
> difficult to virtually track down for too much longer.
>
> But this looks much cooler.
What exactly do you mean by the Moog960 sequencer won't
be so very difficult to track down for too much longer?
Have you ever try to find one...and if you did, have you
looked at the price? :-)
If anyone here has got a spare one I will gladly take/buy
it from you.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: flamingos and yo-yos
Exactly! I started using the James Earl Jones
thing as my sig because I thought it was a funny
line, but it's really surprised me how many
people have asked me for the answer. But as Jan
points out, you kinda have to see the movie for
the answer.
<
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 1647
> PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a
yo-yo to a flock of
> flamingos...>>
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
Jones
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:06
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Chat
Yes, there still is a Tangerine Dream Chat!!
It is not affiliated directly with the tadream mailing list. It's a very
relaxed atmosphere and at this moment, we have visitors from the US and Europe.
If you're on a PC, you can download a pre-configured copy of the chat
program here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe
Just open/download it and it will extract to 'tadreamChat' on your hard
drive. Open that and double-click on the colorful 'mIRC' icon and in a few
moments you'll be brought into the chatroom.
Hope you get a chance to stop by.
Friday and Saturday evenings (5pm-midnight Central time (-5:00GMT)) are
usually the busiest.
-Morgan
From:
'dreamsector '
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:23
am
Subject: Re: seq hi five OT technical-related
Ahh... I was just talking about the System 55 emulation, including 960
sequencer module that I mentioned on another list.
Sounds like you're building or have a Moog Modular system, in which
case you are a very lucky man!!!! :-)
If you want a 960 sequencer... or the whole enchilada, email
polyfusion@a..., they've got one for sale (or did as of November). A
system C with all the bells and whistles.
They also have other cool stuff, like a Serge (with sequencer),
Buchla(!), EMS, and an ARP sequencer module, etc., etc.
The site is: www.analogsynth.com
In terms of Moog... there's a System 15 up on Ebay... though that
doesn't have the sequencer module. That's the smallest of the three
common configs... the one that was pictured on the cover of the first
Switched On Bach lp I think.
If I only had the money... that System C would be mine!!!!!!!!
But in terms of hardware sequencers, IMO, the up-and-coming Zeit is
definitely the hands-down HOLY GRAIL!!!!!!!
W
P.S. Here's where this is kind of on topic (kind of)... anyone
interested in what the heck we're talking about... if you have the
Spirit DVD, check out the interview with Hans Zimmer. The wall of knobs
and black metal plates behind him in one of the shots is the Moog
modular, which BTW, he got from Chris Franke!!!
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote:
> > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...]
> >
> > Ahhsome!!!! Looks like Mac only though. Is it?
> >
> > I suspect that the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very
> > difficult to virtually track down for too much longer.
> >
> > But this looks much cooler.
>
> What exactly do you mean by the Moog960 sequencer won't
> be so very difficult to track down for too much longer?
> Have you ever try to find one...and if you did, have you
> looked at the price? :-)
> If anyone here has got a spare one I will gladly take/buy
> it from you.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:07
am
Subject: OT Instrument on Gladiator Soundtrack????
Hi
Does anyone know what the instrument is called which kicks in at 2.39,
track 9 on the Gladiator Soundtrack. It is the high clarinet-like
sound........maybe it is a clarinet?????
Jan
From:
'dreamsector '
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:26
am
Subject: Re: OT Moog 960 module here...
Place in Buffalo, N.Y. recreating brand new 'Moog' modules based on
original design specs. Maybe good maybe not, I don't know, but looks
interesting...
Moog 960 module/eight spaces wide = $2790.00 U.S. About four weeks to
deliver.
http://www.moogce.com/prod04.htm
Cool, eh?
God, I wish I hadn't found this...
:-)
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:10
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT Moog 960 module here...
It's really a ridiculous price imo.
Just go to http://www.synthesizers.com and see
some interesting stuff at a xth of the Moog prices.
Wouldn't it be something interesting for TD?
Although I think Edgar will think of it as a step
back (or even more steps) of how TD is composing now.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dreamsector [mailto:Liondream@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:26 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT Moog 960 module here...
>
>
> Place in Buffalo, N.Y. recreating brand new 'Moog' modules based on
> original design specs. Maybe good maybe not, I don't know, but looks
> interesting...
>
> Moog 960 module/eight spaces wide = $2790.00 U.S. About four weeks to
> deliver.
>
http://www.moogce.com/prod04.htm
Cool, eh?
God, I wish I hadn't found this...
:-)
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:14
pm
Subject: Tubular 30th Anniv
Apparently Mike Oldfield is re-recording it from scratch for the 30th
Anniversary. The new version will feature John Cleese in the 'speaking'
parts.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
>
>
> This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it?
> Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too...
> Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of
> Part 1/side1
> , and much remixing.
> The vinyl version,the 1973, is better.
> Paulus.d
>
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:06
pm
Subject: TD on the radio
Hey,
In my weekly radio programme about electronic music I did a TD special
today. In case anyone wants to know, here is what was played:
Tangerine Dream: Dominion
Tangerine Dream: Logos Part 1 B
Tangerine Dream: Stratosfear
Tangerine Dream: Bois de Boulogne
Tangerine Dream: Going west
Tangerine Dream: Burning bar
Tangerine Dream: Firetongues
Tangerine Dream: Rolling down Cahuenga
Tangerine Dream: Outland
Tangerine Dream: Towards the evening star
You can receive playlists by sending a blank email to
electronicshadows-news-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Greetings,
Glenn
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:43
pm
Subject: Sanctuary Re-Releases
Does anyone know which Pink/Blue Years albums have been re-released by
Sanctuary Records? I found Electronic Meditation and Alpha Centauri at
my local Tower Records, but they didn't know about any others. Have
Zeit and Atem been released yet?
- jim
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:52
pm
Subject: (off topic)The ideal UK summer all day Electronic Festival Line Up
This would be a great line up for an all day electronic music
festival this summer in the UK(Of course this is just a dream)
Free System Projekt
Air Sculpture
Radio Massacre International
Rainbow Serpent
Node(come back)
Ron Boots
Keller&Schonwalder
and of course last but not least Tangerine Dream.The mind boggles.i
feel a dampness in my pants.
From:
'heineu '
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 6:09
pm
Subject: Re: Sanctuary Re-Releases
Hello Jim,
yes, Atem and zeit are released and also new released are: Green
desert
Cheers
Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Jim Moore' wrote:
> Does anyone know which Pink/Blue Years albums have been re-released
by
> Sanctuary Records? I found Electronic Meditation and Alpha
Centauri at
> my local Tower Records, but they didn't know about any others. Have
> Zeit and Atem been released yet?
>
> - jim
>
> __________________________________________________
> Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> moxica@a...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'esculap'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 1:48
am
Subject: Re:The Coachman's tales
>So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book?
This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ :
'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's
tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte,
schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich
immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in
Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen
Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die
Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem
Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont
jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! '
A sculptor, composer, actor and also a writer. A beast with many faces.
Dream on,
Andy
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:12
am
Subject: Mellotron
RARE VINTAGE MELLOTRON MK-400 KEYBOARD
Just in case someone feels a real need to buy this for me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2501272489&category=29552
or just in case you want to add this, here is your chance.
of course I would perfer you get this for me.
dale
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
I listen to a great deal of classical music as well as EM and I became an
electrostatic speaker convert decades ago with the QUAD 'fire screens'.
Different people will have different opinions about ESLs, of course, but for
me they produce appreciably lower levels of coloration than moving coil
speakers and that enables the best recordings to exhibit a three dimensional
sense of space, depth with truly excellent imaging that I personally find
lacking in other types of speaker and which I place a high degree of high
importance on. The Magnaplaners do come close, however.
My Acoustats are capable of very high levels of sonic output without
distress -- the panels are said to be incapable of being overdriven,
although I haven't put that to the test! Because of their size (8 ft high
and three feet wide) they sound as good standing up as sitting and, as I've
mentioned, the low frequency performance is decidedly impressive.
The MOS-FET output stage in each of my amps permits the use of valves
earlier on without the need for an expensive output transformer.
Furthermore, the high power output (250 watts/channel) would also place very
high demands on such a stage if it was tubed. The local designer spend
months playing around and experimenting with the coupling and in my opinion
the results have been worth the time spent. He runs a ONE KILOWATT amp of
similar design at home!!!
Sorry, but I don't follow your argument about tubes and CD. If well
designed, such preamps can provide levels of distortion and noise just as
low as solid state ones can. There CAN be noise problems with low output
moving coil cartridges, but the same problem can apply to solid state units
too.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Matthew Stringer'
To:
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so
> I never thought that electrostatic speakers were very good in the old bass
> department, I've heard a few hybrid speakers that try to give the best of
> both worlds but I've always prefered normal magnetic speakers.
>
> Also why would you have a valve amp with a Metal Oxide Semiconductor
> field-effect transistor output?
>
> It's usually one or the other.
>
> I've seen valve preamps but you wouldn't use that on a CD, usually a
guitar!
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a number of CD players including a Marantz CD-7 and the
> > monoblock amps/pre-amp are a NZ designed and manufactured valve set up
> with
> > MOS-FET output stages in the monoblocks that drive very large
> electrostatic
> > speakers from the US, which are capable of producing high sound levels
> > without distress and massive amounts of genuine bass.
>
>
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 1:43
am
Subject: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Put some Space Age Bachelor Pad music on the old Hi-Fi
And mix a martini
make a toast to the memory of the late Juan Garcia Esquivel who would have
been 85 on Monday 01/20/03
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From:
'dreamsector '
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:12
am
Subject: OT: synthesizers.com
Sweeeeeet!
Thanks, for pointing me in their direction, Marcel!
I like the midi interconnectivity too.
:-)
w
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
>Put some Space Age Bachelor Pad music on the old Hi-Fi
>
>And mix a martini
>
>make a toast to the memory of the late Juan Garcia Esquivel who would have
>been 85 on Monday 01/20/03
Interestingly enough, I was born on 01/20/85 (which makes me 18 tomorrow..
:D)
And I'm sure there are other people on this list who were born on the same
date, too (since we have about 600 members)
John Vertical
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:52
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
I'm not far behind.. or maybe really ahead? January 28th, 1981... makes me
22 right after you hit 18. :-)
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Vertical
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Interestingly enough, I was born on 01/20/85 (which makes me 18 tomorrow..
:D)
And I'm sure there are other people on this list who were born on the same
date, too (since we have about 600 members)
John Vertical
From:
'Greg'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 9:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Wow a 22 year old female TD fan on our list :) That's great! Where are you
from?
I am 24 and I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona.
Greg
NP: Jazzanova
> I'm not far behind.. or maybe really ahead? January 28th, 1981... makes me
> 22 right after you hit 18. :-)
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From:
'Gary Jenkins '
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 9:52
am
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Greg' wrote:
> Wow a 22 year old female TD fan on our list :) That's great! Where
are you
> from?
> I am 24 and I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona.
>
> >You youngster's are making me feel very old, I turned the dreaded
40 last tuesday lol
Gary
>
>
>
> >
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:00
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Lancaster, California.. the city that is big in numbers, but small at heart,
and everything's closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour WalMart ever
for years, but then it went to normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!
lol
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Wow a 22 year old female TD fan on our list :) That's great! Where are you
from?
I am 24 and I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona.
Greg
NP: Jazzanova
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:02
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
40? Dreaded? Need you take example from my Mom? She's 42 (will be in May)
and she's just loving life and looking beautiful as ever! Speaking of
beautiful, I need to go bundle up and check on our goats... have a few due
to give birth any time now..lol.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Jenkins
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
You youngster's are making me feel very old, I turned the dreaded
40 last tuesday lol
Gary
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:28
am
Subject: Re: flamingos and yo-yos
<>
Actually, he's met with something more like out
and out hostility. The other flamingos attempt to
drown him, and take his yo-yo away and wrap it
around the high branch of a tree. But he comes
back with another one, which he uses to tie them
up, while doing various parlor tricks with
several other yo-yos.
<>
I don't think it's all that ironic. If you
consider the film in question, which is a follow
up to one of the most innovative animated films
ever, I think it fits right in with the spirit of
things there. Yeah, Disney's pulled some low
stunts (ever watch any of those gawdawful movies
they show on ABC on Sunday nights now?) but they
still come up with some great things. The Toy
Story movies were great, and they own the network
that aired the first sitcom to have a gay person
as it's lead character.
Anyway, the
simple answer is 'anarchy.'
(-8
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales
Thanks for this info, but I dont understand German. Could anyone sum up what
this means?
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: 'esculap'
> >So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book?
>
> This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ :
>
> 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's
> tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte,
> schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich
> immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in
> Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen
> Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die
> Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem
> Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont
> jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! '
>
> A sculptor, composer, actor and also a writer. A beast with many faces.
>
> Dream on,
> Andy
From:
ampmusic
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 12:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1651
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:14:48 -0500
> From: 'Michael A Jean'
> Subject: Tubular 30th Anniv
>
> Apparently Mike Oldfield is re-recording it from scratch for the 30th
> Anniversary. The new version will feature John Cleese in the 'speaking'
> parts.
>
> MJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations
> >
> >
> > This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it?
> > Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too...
> > Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of
> > Part 1/side1
> > , and much remixing.
> > The vinyl version,the 1973, is better.
> > Paulus.d
Everything you could possibly want to know about Mike Oldfield is in an
exclusive
interview on the EMIX site, along with many previously unseen pictures, and (on
other
pages) reviews of many TD, Klaus Schulze and other CD releases;
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixconcerts.html
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html
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Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 12:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1651
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:52:52 -0000
> From: 'Colin Jouxson '
> Subject: (off topic)The ideal UK summer all day Electronic Festival Line Up
>
> This would be a great line up for an all day electronic music
> festival this summer in the UK(Of course this is just a dream)
> Free System Projekt
> Air Sculpture
> Radio Massacre International
> Rainbow Serpent
> Node(come back)
> Ron Boots
> Keller&Schonwalder
> and of course last but not least Tangerine Dream.The mind boggles.i
> feel a dampness in my pants.
>
...or you could start in February to have a big electronic music show on the
last
Saturday of every month at a fantastic venue right in the middle of London, and
put on
errrrrr.......White Noise (Virgin Records label mates of TD in the 1970's),
Harald
Grosskopf & Steve Baltes (from Ash Ra Tempel), Alquimia (recent CD with H-J
Roedelius),
Modulus on analog electronics + gongs (dark ambient music like The Orb or FSOL
meets Star
Sounds Orchestra), then have a two hour performance of Terry Riley's 'A Rainbow
in Curved
Air', and errrrr...some other stuff :-)
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:23
pm
Subject: Re: Lancaster, California
<>
Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
town near there called Sun Village (which was the
inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
Roxy And Elsewhere)?
=====
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The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Sun Village? I've enver heard of it before, so I don't think it's within 100
miles of here. We've got (making a circle around Lancaster) Gorman,
Tehachipi, Rosamond, Mojave, Antelope Acres, Lancaster, Palmdale,
Littlerock, Lake Los Angeles, Acton, Agua Dulce, Canyon Country, Green
Valley, Valencia.... a few others, but that's the surrounding stuff.
There is a Sun Valley down in LA, near Burbank, I lived there from when I
was born, until I was 6, but that's an hour and a half away.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Richards
Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
town near there called Sun Village (which was the
inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
Roxy And Elsewhere)?
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
Jones
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Sun Village is down 90th and Palmdale Blvd.
dale
Want to know anything about Lancaster and Palmdale or Antelope Valley? Just
ask. My wife is a local Historian, she has lived in AV since 1962.
She and I both know nearly every musician in the valley. She even went high
school with most of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
> Sun Village? I've enver heard of it before, so I don't think it's within
100
> miles of here. We've got (making a circle around Lancaster) Gorman,
> Tehachipi, Rosamond, Mojave, Antelope Acres, Lancaster, Palmdale,
> Littlerock, Lake Los Angeles, Acton, Agua Dulce, Canyon Country, Green
> Valley, Valencia.... a few others, but that's the surrounding stuff.
> There is a Sun Valley down in LA, near Burbank, I lived there from when I
> was born, until I was 6, but that's an hour and a half away.
>
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Richards
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
>
>
> Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
> teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
> but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
> to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
> Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
> town near there called Sun Village (which was the
> inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
> Roxy And Elsewhere)?
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James
Earl
> Jones
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
That's a place? I figured it was just a really ghetto store in Littlerock!
lol I drive by it every Thursday night on my way to agility class with my
dog.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:30 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Sun Village is down 90th and Palmdale Blvd.
dale
Want to know anything about Lancaster and Palmdale or Antelope Valley? Just
ask. My wife is a local Historian, she has lived in AV since 1962.
She and I both know nearly every musician in the valley. She even went high
school with most of them.
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
see below
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chris Richards'
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
> <
> numbers, but small at heart, and everything's
> closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour
> WalMart ever for years, but then it went to
> normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>>
Most local night life is ruled by the Honda Club these days. Most parties in
the Valley are private. That is where the money and food is to be had at.
>
> Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
> teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
> but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
> to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
> Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
> town near there called Sun Village (which was the
> inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
> Roxy And Elsewhere)?
Sun Village. I don't know the details why, but it was mostly a black
neighborhood. It is out in the desert. When I poke my nose in this area, I
get the idea of racial items that tainted the area. It is still know this
way to this day. As a side note, I live about 1 block away from a area
called Oky Flats (from residences who migrated here from Oklahoma). The
Valley is full of this. There is even a area where socialists made a colony
at the turn of the century. Llano is the name, just past Little Rock. Oh
what tails the sands out here tell.
Also found near and in Sun Village are many CW bars. Since they have a
tendency to play one or two of the two types of music that makes me ill, I
don't hang long in that area.
Yes he (Zappa) did some time in Antelope Valley. Some of his partners in
crime are still here. Tie this into Captain Beefheart (which a reunion is
coming up in a few months).
Speaking of time, so did John Wayne do some time here. Julie Garland etc...
Heck it even has Mob ties (Palmdale past and present). I also know where the
Tree of Woe can be found here. Shall I mention 'Weird Scenes Inside the Gold
Mine' (reference to Jim Morison). Ant Valley as I like to call it
encompasses a wide area. There was a time when bootleggers and houses of ill
repute had underground tunnels under Palmdale Blvd.
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James
Earl Jones
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Till you spend some time in Watts and or Compton, you can't compare Ghetto
to that.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
> That's a place? I figured it was just a really ghetto store in Littlerock!
> lol I drive by it every Thursday night on my way to agility class with my
> dog.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:30 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
>
>
> Sun Village is down 90th and Palmdale Blvd.
>
> dale
>
> Want to know anything about Lancaster and Palmdale or Antelope Valley?
Just
> ask. My wife is a local Historian, she has lived in AV since 1962.
>
> She and I both know nearly every musician in the valley. She even went
high
> school with most of them.
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
'Most local night life is ruled by the Honda Club these days. Most parties
in
the Valley are private. That is where the money and food is to be had at.'
Hmm.. I hate Hondas.. can't stand the look or the sound of them... drive me
up a wall...lol. And parties.. hmm.. I'll pas son those.. can I claim I have
people allergies? Or at least no desire to socialize with most people in
this area?
'Sun Village. I don't know the details why, but it was mostly a black
neighborhood. It is out in the desert. When I poke my nose in this area, I
get the idea of racial items that tainted the area. It is still know this
way to this day. As a side note, I live about 1 block away from a area
called Oky Flats (from residences who migrated here from Oklahoma). The
Valley is full of this. There is even a area where socialists made a colony
at the turn of the century. Llano is the name, just past Little Rock. Oh
what tails the sands out here tell.'
Yup, desert is right.. but then this whole area is really a desert. *shrugs*
Good, because I think Im melt if I'm exposed to rain water! Almost everyone
I have met who lives in that area does nothing except smoke pot all day...
so it just adds to my desire to live elsewhere. Someday...
'Also found near and in Sun Village are many CW bars. Since they have a
tendency to play one or two of the two types of music that makes me ill, I
don't hang long in that area.'
Near Sun Village? That's all we have in this valley! Schooners, Tipsy Bull,
10 West, and whatever other places are still open.. the only one you'll
catch me in is The Back Door, only because at least them it's nearly
guarenteed I won't have any drunk guys hiting on me. (for those who don't
know, that's our local gay bar) I may be the only person I know who wants to
go out and not be hit on all night!
'Yes he (Zappa) did some time in Antelope Valley. Some of his partners in
crime are still here. Tie this into Captain Beefheart (which a reunion is
coming up in a few months).
Speaking of time, so did John Wayne do some time here. Julie Garland etc...'
I think this area has been popular with different preformers because it's
big enough to make money, but small enough to be cheap. JAG is filmed out
here regularly, and the movie Seven has quite a bit of footage filmed witin
2 miles of my house. Mariah Carey's vid a few years ago was at LACR.
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
True, but I probably never will- I hate being even near a city, and this
place is hell to me. Too many drugs and child abuse.. :-( It's awful here.
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Admin
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Till you spend some time in Watts and or Compton, you can't compare Ghetto
to that.
dale
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
I would not worry too much about me catching up with you there.
>>Near Sun Village? That's all we have in this valley! Schooners, Tipsy
Bull,
10 West, and whatever other places are still open.. the only one you'll
catch me in is The Back Door, only because at least them it's nearly
guarenteed I won't have any drunk guys hiting on me. (for those who don't
know, that's our local gay bar) I may be the only person I know who wants to
go out and not be hit on all night!
>>>Smoking Pot all day huh?
Sounds like you are in the wrong circle.
Most of the ones I know that spend time like this are not into the things I
am. Even harder to get them to show up to gigs.
I guess then you should know about the curse then too?
Dale
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
see previous post
also every where is like this. part of current society these days. has
something to do with lack of parenting.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
> True, but I probably never will- I hate being even near a city, and this
> place is hell to me. Too many drugs and child abuse.. :-( It's awful here.
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:59
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Hmm.. everywhere I go- school, when I was working (at any place I worked)
and socially- every smoked pot. I 'meet' people online, and they all smoke
pot.
The curse- you mean the more then one year in the Valley and you never leave
it curse? The one that says I am doomed, since I've ben here since 1987?
Though I do hope to run away to Belgium someday.. hehe
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Admin
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
I would not worry too much about me catching up with you there.
>>>Smoking Pot all day huh?
Sounds like you are in the wrong circle.
Most of the ones I know that spend time like this are not into the things I
am. Even harder to get them to show up to gigs.
I guess then you should know about the curse then too?
Dale
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:59
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
That's true.. good reason not to have kids I think.
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 3:06 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
see previous post
also every where is like this. part of current society these days. has
something to do with lack of parenting.
Dale
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 1:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
yes that curse
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
> Hmm.. everywhere I go- school, when I was working (at any place I worked)
> and socially- every smoked pot. I 'meet' people online, and they all smoke
> pot.
> The curse- you mean the more then one year in the Valley and you never
leave
> it curse? The one that says I am doomed, since I've ben here since 1987?
> Though I do hope to run away to Belgium someday.. hehe
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Admin
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
>
>
> I would not worry too much about me catching up with you there.
>
> >>>Smoking Pot all day huh?
> Sounds like you are in the wrong circle.
> Most of the ones I know that spend time like this are not into the things
I
> am. Even harder to get them to show up to gigs.
>
> I guess then you should know about the curse then too?
>
> Dale
>
>
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From:
'esculap'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:16
am
Subject: Re:The Coachman's tales
>Thanks for this info, but I dont understand German. Could anyone sum up
what
>this means?
>Glenn
Sorry, Glen and the most of this group.
Below is what I understand of it.
Forgive me mistakes, German and English are not native languages of mine
;-).
'There is an abstract from 'The Coachman's Tales' novel, printed on the CD
booklet. Edgar, who studied Philosophy some years, has written that story.
Not the study, but the cause, that he always and again asked 'unanswerable'
questions and daubted in everything, makes him look at everything with just
a philosophical eye/sight. He is also ironic and likes the writers, who
'blow something interesting into the world, wink shortly, turn on and say:
Forgive me!', the most. But Edgar emphasizes, that he wasn't interested in
releasing a book at all .'
The last sentence makes me think, that Edgar hasn't printed that novel/book
yet.
Dream on,
Andrzej/Andy/Andreas
> This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ :
> 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's
> tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte,
> schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich
> immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in
> Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen
> Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die
> Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem
> Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont
> jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! '
> Dream on,
> Andy
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales
Ahh the many workings in Edgar's mind. Such insight you have given. A veil
has been lifted.
;-)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'esculap'
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales
> >Thanks for this info, but I dont understand German. Could anyone sum up
> what
> >this means?
> >Glenn
>
> Sorry, Glen and the most of this group.
> Below is what I understand of it.
> Forgive me mistakes, German and English are not native languages of mine
> ;-).
>
> 'There is an abstract from 'The Coachman's Tales' novel, printed on the CD
> booklet. Edgar, who studied Philosophy some years, has written that story.
> Not the study, but the cause, that he always and again asked
'unanswerable'
> questions and daubted in everything, makes him look at everything with
just
> a philosophical eye/sight. He is also ironic and likes the writers, who
> 'blow something interesting into the world, wink shortly, turn on and say:
> Forgive me!', the most. But Edgar emphasizes, that he wasn't interested in
> releasing a book at all .'
>
> The last sentence makes me think, that Edgar hasn't printed that
novel/book
> yet.
>
> Dream on,
> Andrzej/Andy/Andreas
>
> > This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/
:
> > 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's
> > tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte,
> > schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er
sich
> > immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles
in
> > Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen
philosophischen
> > Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch
die
> > Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit
dem
> > Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont
> > jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! '
> > Dream on,
> > Andy
>
>
>
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales
Thanks for the translation!
glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: 'esculap'
>
> Sorry, Glen and the most of this group.
> Below is what I understand of it.
> Forgive me mistakes, German and English are not native languages of mine
> ;-).
From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Hi Chris,
correct !!, FZ lived there with his parents for quite a while,
don't know if the air-force base where his father used to
work is still there....... (no, not edwards air-force base ;-))
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Chris Richards :
> <
> numbers, but small at heart, and everything's
> closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour
> WalMart ever for years, but then it went to
> normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>>
>
> Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
> teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
> but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
> to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
> Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
> town near there called Sun Village (which was the
> inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
> Roxy And Elsewhere)?
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
> Jones
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From:
tony.vandergaag@p...
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:39
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Palmdale,
rings a bell though ;-))
so does Glendale and Sunvillage (or was it Sundale or both ???)
:-D
tony/rotterdam
Citeren Debra Wilson :
> Sun Village? I've enver heard of it before, so I don't think it's within 100
> miles of here. We've got (making a circle around Lancaster) Gorman,
> Tehachipi, Rosamond, Mojave, Antelope Acres, Lancaster, Palmdale,
> Littlerock, Lake Los Angeles, Acton, Agua Dulce, Canyon Country, Green
> Valley, Valencia.... a few others, but that's the surrounding stuff.
> There is a Sun Valley down in LA, near Burbank, I lived there from when I
> was born, until I was 6, but that's an hour and a half away.
>
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Richards
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
>
>
> Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
> teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
> but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
> to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
> Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
> town near there called Sun Village (which was the
> inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
> Roxy And Elsewhere)?
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
> Jones
>
>
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 10:50
am
Subject: RE: Moog 960
Hi,
For those who missed it, this *may* satisfy until you can afford the 'real'
thing:
http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=777
Regards,
Daniel
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:11:24 EST
> From: Liondream@a...
> Subject: Re: synth.com, again OT
>
> Very cool, thanks - I will check out synthesizer.com to see
> what they have!!!
>
> It IS very expensive for that 960 reissue, but I would still
> be tempted to do
> it if I could - I would get a whole system! Though I am only
> saying this
> hypothetically, e.g. if I had a sudden windfall of money or
> something. In the
> meantime, I am quite happy with my Nord.
>
> The guys in Buffalo are two former employees of Moog who
> worked on and built
> the genuine article back in its day. It sounds like they are
> using vintage
> parts in many cases and are building them as they did in the
> past. They had
> some pictures of some new systems they've put together and they look
> beautiful (the synths). In addition, they also service and
> restore vintage
> parts.
>
> As I said, analogsynth.com has a full vintage System C
> available. I sent them
> an email because I didn't want to steer you in their
> direction if they didn't
> have what you want. They tell me the reason it's very
> difficult to find a 960
> module alone is that most people only sell them as part of
> the whole system.
> Alone, a vintage 960 would go for about $2,000 or so, but
> because people
> aren't willing to break up a system it'll probably be more.
> If you REALLY
> want one and are willing to pay for it, they will be more
> than happy to make
> some inquiries for you. (polyfusion@a...)
>
> For my part, and to be honest, I will probably go with the
> plugin and call it
> a day!
>
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 07:12:45 -0000
> From: 'dreamsector '
> Subject: OT: synthesizers.com
>
> Sweeeeeet!
>
> Thanks, for pointing me in their direction, Marcel!
>
> I like the midi interconnectivity too.
>
> :-)
>
> w
>
>
>
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From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:51
pm
Subject: Offer: Aussie 7' singles Ricochet Rubycon
Hi all
I have one spare each of the mega rare Aussie 7' singles Rubycon and
Ricochet available for sale / trade (rare single / poster). I'd like to make
these available to list members first before putting them up on ebay.
Serious offer only. Please email off-list to coldwatercanyon@s...
Thanks
Jeffrey
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Sun-Village - Village Of The Sun. A rare 'sentimental'
song from Zappa. I have it on Roxy & Elsewhere and
YCDTOSA Vol2. Must dig it out.
Hard to belive this year will mark the 10th
anniversary of the great man's passing...
--- tony.vandergaag@p... wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> correct !!, FZ lived there with his parents for
> quite a while,
> don't know if the air-force base where his father
> used to
> work is still there....... (no, not edwards
> air-force base ;-))
>
> tony/rotterdam
>
> Citeren Chris Richards :
>
> > < >
> > numbers, but small at heart, and everything's
> > closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour
> > WalMart ever for years, but then it went to
> > normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>>
> >
> > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
> > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
> > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
> > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
> > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
> > town near there called Sun Village (which was the
> > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
> > Roxy And Elsewhere)?
> >
> > =====
> > May you never thirst!
> > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
> >
> > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock
> of flamingos?'-James Earl
> > Jones
> >
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
Good idea Heiko!
I will donate 10 blanks MD's to the 100.000th visitor on http://ravn.net/md
Regards,
Peter Ravn
PS: do visit http://www.minidisc.org to see the new MD portables....
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest
> I just noticed that my TD Webring
> (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th
> visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-)
>
> So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the
> first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets
> a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just
> finished a couple of days ago:
>
> 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's
> (aka Iris Camaa) new album?'
>
> ready, steady, go!
>
> Heiko
>
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
Zappa did not live there. He lived in Lancaster, old part.
More than likely, he was visiting Sun Village when the thought came to him.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
To:
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California
> Sun-Village - Village Of The Sun. A rare 'sentimental'
> song from Zappa. I have it on Roxy & Elsewhere and
> YCDTOSA Vol2. Must dig it out.
>
> Hard to belive this year will mark the 10th
> anniversary of the great man's passing...
>
>
> --- tony.vandergaag@p... wrote:
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > correct !!, FZ lived there with his parents for
> > quite a while,
> > don't know if the air-force base where his father
> > used to
> > work is still there....... (no, not edwards
> > air-force base ;-))
> >
> > tony/rotterdam
> >
> > Citeren Chris Richards :
> >
> > > < > >
> > > numbers, but small at heart, and everything's
> > > closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour
> > > WalMart ever for years, but then it went to
> > > normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>>
> > >
> > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his
> > > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore,
> > > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved
> > > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking
> > > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a
> > > town near there called Sun Village (which was the
> > > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on
> > > Roxy And Elsewhere)?
> > >
> > > =====
> > > May you never thirst!
> > > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
> > >
> > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock
> > of flamingos?'-James Earl
> > > Jones
> > >
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From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:05
pm
Subject: Ruling The Waves - where is it?
Just wondering what's going on with 'Ruling the Waves'...is it still
going to be posted on the TD website? Martin?
Also - just out of curiosity...I presume that the 'unreleased
material' for sale at the February show will be recent Froese-Froese
compositions?
-Sean
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it?
In a message dated 1/20/2003 12:06:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sean@t... writes:
> I presume that the 'unreleased
> material' for sale at the February show will be recent Froese-Froese
> compositions?
> -Sean
*Hold it! I must have missed that one. WHAT new Franke / Froese composition?
They're working together again?
Poly
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it?
Maybe RTW will be on the Concert CD.
BTW: The previous message said Froese Froese not Franke.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:22 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it?
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/2003 12:06:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> sean@t... writes:
>
> > I presume that the 'unreleased
> > material' for sale at the February show will be recent Froese-Froese
> > compositions?
> > -Sean
>
> *Hold it! I must have missed that one. WHAT new Franke / Froese
> composition?
> They're working together again?
> Poly
>
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it?
In a message dated 1/20/2003 1:09:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
michaeljean@e... writes:
> BTW: The previous message said Froese Froese not Franke.
>
> MJ
>
*LOL! You're right... That's what I get for 'speed' e-mailing at work and not
looking close enough.
Ah well one can dream about such a reunion.
Poly
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Moog 960
Quoting 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
:
> For those who missed it, this *may* satisfy until you can afford the 'real'
> thing:
>
> http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=777
that looks like the perfect companion to the five12.com sequencer. :)
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From:
'dreamsector '
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:47
pm
Subject: Re: Moog 960
Yes it does! Kind of cool if you ask me... you could be on a plane, for
example, and be sketching up sequence ideas on your notebook with a
modular 'moog' and the numerology, etc.
...or perhaps at poolside sipping a pina collada - or at the local
Starbuck's with an espresso - now THAT's living!
:-)
w
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Eric Williamson wrote:
> Quoting 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
> :
> > For those who missed it, this *may* satisfy until you can afford the 'real'
> > thing:
> >
> > http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=777
>
> that looks like the perfect companion to the five12.com sequencer. :)
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Moog 960
Quoting 'dreamsector ' :
> Yes it does! Kind of cool if you ask me... you could be on a plane, for
> example, and be sketching up sequence ideas on your notebook with a
> modular 'moog' and the numerology, etc.
especially considering that for the price of a new 960, you could get both
those programs and a new apple laptop and still have money left over for a
hardware synth.
i'm actually interested in trying out that arturia software, but i don't really
use soft-synths cuz i'm so old-school. i generally only trust computers to do
midi sequencing, but i did have fun using Pro-52.
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:47
am
Subject: EMUSICP laylist #304 for January 16, 2003
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #304 January 16, 2003.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star
in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'To Earth and Back'
by Brannan Lane the SpaceForMusic.com label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Dig It' by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label.
Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze Wierd Caravan Dig It (Brain)
VA [The Ministry of While the Rest of the The Gatherings (Synkronos)
Inside Things] World Sleeps
Ixohoxi Minor Premonition Somnabulae (MP3.com)
Redshift Bleed 1 Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift Bleed 2 Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift Bleed 3 Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift Bleed 4 Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift Bleed 5 Siren (Distant Sun)
12:00 am
Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 1 To Earth and Back (Space for
Music)
Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 2 To Earth and Back (Space for
Music)
Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 3 To Earth and Back (Space for
Music)
Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 4 To Earth and Back (Space for
Music)
Brannan Lane Boundless 1 To Earth and Back (Space for
Music)
Brannan Lane Boundless 2 To Earth and Back (Space for
Music)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Troposphere' by Brannan Lane on World Circle
Records.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Beauty in the Beast' by Wendy
Carlos on Passport Records.
Bill
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Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
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Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tubular 30th Anniv
--- Michael A Jean wrote:
> Apparently Mike Oldfield is re-recording it from
> scratch for the 30th
> Anniversary. The new version will feature John
> Cleese in the 'speaking'
> parts.
>
> MJ
I'm looking forward for it because I'm not a huge fan
of the original. It had some great parts but mostly
there were many distracting errors.
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
'Nigel Pennington '
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:52
pm
Subject: Off topic - Radio Massacre International interview
Fans of early to mid seventies Tangerine Dream might find this of
interest...
A batch of articles, news and reviews have just been uploaded to
http://www.krautrocknet.com
Firstly, 2 absolutely crackin' interviews - with Radio Massacre
International (fresh from their mini-tour of the States) and SFs top
jazz-kraut-fusion-improv superstars Mushroom.
The there's news of www.krautrocknet.com's impending happy event -
giving birth to a CD label Kuhl Music (all releases under a fiver
until the recession kicks in), debut release from up and coming e-
musician David Lazaar (plus a totally biased review).
Read about VMajestic's killer Dynamic Alloy EP and download the
whole mini-masterpiece while you read the review.
A review of Harald Grosskopf's Digital Nomad, 3 new Top Tens for
your amusement and last but certainly not least we belatedly sing
the praises of Scottish e-musician Syn, who's debut opus encapulates
all that's good in the Berlin School.
There are also loads of sexy articles in the vaults on Acid Mothers
Temple, Agitation Free, Gomorrah and Mythos to name but 4!
Cheers
From:
'bolosun '
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
40 old?
I am 41 next March.
Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson'
wrote:
> 40? Dreaded? Need you take example from my Mom? She's 42 (will be in
May)
> and she's just loving life and looking beautiful as ever! Speaking of
> beautiful, I need to go bundle up and check on our goats... have a
few due
> to give birth any time now..lol.
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Jenkins
> Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
>
>
> You youngster's are making me feel very old, I turned the dreaded
> 40 last tuesday lol
>
> Gary
From:
tom george
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:00
pm
Subject: Lake Havasu City, Arizona (TD content zilch)
Hey Greg,
Isn't that where a bunch of the GIRLS GONE WILD
videos and DVD's were filmed? Must be a WILD place
to live in the summertime. :)
Tom
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 4:32
pm
Subject: Re: virtually OT
EXACTLY.
It would still be fantastic to have a real modular... but this looks like a lot
of fun.
Re virtual... you have to keep in mind that it's only been around for a fairly
short time, and it is very much still an evolving art. That said, it has come
an incredibly long way. The Pro-52 is now the Pro-53 and incredible, IMO.
Another very smooth sounding one that I don't have (yet) for people who are
into the Virus is Rob Papen's Albino synth. If you are into Virus or E-mu for
that matter, then you already know who Rob Papen is
(www.linplug.com/www.robpapen.com).
Which leads me into this thought: the (to me) really exciting aspect of vsti
has been the independent developers - well and even some bigger developers...
the ability to have a dialog with them and to see your suggestions implemented,
etc. in a way that people like TD may have had in the past and in a way that a
'regular guy' would never have.
Probably like the experience you may have had with Five12...
What's great about the virtual stuff is flexibility and ease of use - being
able to animate knob movements and open up multiple instances, etc. I think
it's an extremely exciting time to be a musician and I could easily talk about
this all day, so now I will stop.
BUT I would agree with you about not trusting computers 100% - especially for
playing out live. At least not yet and not until I have a backup unit to travel
with.
W
<<
Subject: Re: Re: Moog 960
Quoting 'dreamsector ' :
> Yes it does! Kind of cool if you ask me... you could be on a plane, for
> example, and be sketching up sequence ideas on your notebook with a
> modular 'moog' and the numerology, etc.
especially considering that for the price of a new 960, you could get both
those programs and a new apple laptop and still have money left over for a
hardware synth.
i'm actually interested in trying out that arturia software, but i don't
really
use soft-synths cuz i'm so old-school. i generally only trust computers to do
midi sequencing, but i did have fun using Pro-52.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com>>>
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales
I guess no one has noticed, but that whole article can be converted to
English with the click of a button on the left hand side of the web site.
It's a very good article too. 8-Dell
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales
>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 04:21:23 +0100
>
>Thanks for the translation!
>
>glenn
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:23
pm
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 18, 2003
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
Show #15 January 18, 2003.
PLAYLIST:
Phase I/Space:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Robert Rich and First Outpost Outpost (DiN)
Ian Boddy
Robert Rich and Ice Fields Outpost (DiN)
Ian Boddy
Andy Pickford and Disinformatsiya Part 1 Ramayana (Neu Harmony)
Free System Projekt Larissa Atmospheric Conditions
(Quantum)
Alpha Wave Movement A Place of Peace A Distant Signal (HRR)
Skin Mechanix The Great Discovery The Secret Life of Angels
(Infection Music)
Skin Mechanix Glow The Secret Life of Angels
(Infection Music)
Phase II/Eclectic:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Moodswings Storm in a Cup Horizontal (Water Music)
Terry Oldfield Southern Shores Turning Point (New Earth)
Tingstad and Rumbel When You Wish Upon a A Dream and a Wish (ENSO)
Star
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
IZZ Believe I Move (Doone Records)
VA [Thinking Plague] Rapture of the Deep * Sampler (Cuneiform)
Wayne Lytle Seventh Alloy Animusic (Animusic)
Ricocher Child Inside Cathedral of Emotions (Red
Sea)
Genesis in the Cage Fountain of Salmacis Two Sides Live (none)
Steve Hackett Los Endos Watcher of the Skies
(Guardian)
Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes (Original
Masters)
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on February 1.
Bill
===============================================================================
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Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
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Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:16
pm
Subject: Re: Village Of The Sun
<>
I think Frank said one time that his first band
used to play gigs there. I think he talks about
it in The Real Frank Zappa Book, but I'm sure
I've also seen references in interviews.
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lake Havasu City, Arizona (TD content zilch)
Yes this is the place.. pretty much anything goes out here.
This place is called hell for more reasons than just being
one of the hottest places on the planet. I stay away from it..
and assured myself that I will more to a place where people
actually wear clothes. Still, this is one boring place to live...
Greg H.
> Hey Greg,
> Isn't that where a bunch of the GIRLS GONE WILD
> videos and DVD's were filmed? Must be a WILD place
> to live in the summertime. :)
> Tom
> ---
>
From:
'tangram80 '
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:13
am
Subject: Wavelength 'Japanese' CD?
I asked this question before on the Goblins Club list 3 years ago but
did not get a satisfactory answer. Anybody has this CD as stated
in 'Voices In The Dunes'? The book did not give it a detailed
description though, so I am wondering what features this has? Any
idea?
I am suspecting a CD I have may belong, but I'm not sure. The back
tray insert says 'Manufactured by JVC Japan' and then wordings
like 'for America Varese Sarabande' or something like that. The disc
also has a small '(J)' next to the catalogue number, but it also has
wordings 'made' or 'manufactured in USA' somewhere on.
Jeffrey
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Wavelength 'Japanese' CD?
Jeffrey,
I believe the CD you described below IS the Japanese one referenced in
Voices in the Dunes.
I have not heard of a 'true' Japanese release. I was also wondering if
anyone has seen a similar release like this of Firestarter - I do not
believe one like this exists, but I thought I'd ask the question.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: [tadream] Wavelength 'Japanese' CD?
> I asked this question before on the Goblins Club list 3 years ago but
> did not get a satisfactory answer. Anybody has this CD as stated
> in 'Voices In The Dunes'? The book did not give it a detailed
> description though, so I am wondering what features this has? Any
> idea?
>
> I am suspecting a CD I have may belong, but I'm not sure. The back
> tray insert says 'Manufactured by JVC Japan' and then wordings
> like 'for America Varese Sarabande' or something like that. The disc
> also has a small '(J)' next to the catalogue number, but it also has
> wordings 'made' or 'manufactured in USA' somewhere on.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
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From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:30
am
Subject: Strange Attractions
Hello,
I'm in need of a redbook CD copy of Strange Attractions off of the Classic
Tree. Can someone make it available? The copy I received with the set is a
defect and won't play. I can do a trade or send blank and postage. Thanks
for looking, please mail to me privately if you would like to help me.
Thank you,
Martyn C.
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:33
am
Subject: Antwort: [tadream] some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-)
A few days ago I have received my copy of TT3 from Heiko and also a copy of
TT1 and TT2 from Ramon.
I'm not sure if I'm a die hard fan of Tangerine Dream (listen to TD since
Mid 70's).
Have lot's of TD albums and CD's (not complete) and some Bootleg's.
And also have the GDR-Release Quichotte from Amiga (thanx to my friend
Michael).
Now I have listened to the first Vol's of TT3 (finished Vol. 20 - Warsaw
Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set') yesterday.
And I'm proud to be happy about the quality. Ist's from very good to
excellent/superb.
Thanx to Heiko H. and Ramon S.
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
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From:
'esculap'
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:38
pm
Subject: Re: Re:The Coachman's tales
From: 'Adele Outland'
>I guess no one has noticed, but that whole article can be converted to
>English with the click of a button on the left hand side of the web site.
If I could have known that before....
Funny, what two different persons can find in the same article when
translating ;-)
Dream on,
Andy
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
bolosun wrote:
'40 old?
I am 41 next March.
Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)'
I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of
you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of
schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were
born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory,
but growing _up_ is optional.
LnH
Marion
'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs
to be ...' S. Blakemore
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:29
pm
Subject: now Firestarter 'Japanese' CD was Wavelength 'Japanese' CD?
>I was also wondering if
anyone has seen a similar release like this of Firestarter - I do not
believe one like this exists, but I thought I'd ask the question.
FWIW, on my Firestarter CD it is printed on the CD title side 'manufactured
in USA' or something like that yet clearly on the underside it says 'made by
JVC' so I'd say yes a firestarter version exists similar to that of
wavelength.....perhaps not adequately addressed on voices in the net....
--T
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some even act
like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be 20 and act
like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to calculate
a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its who where
are......................
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
> bolosun wrote:
>
> '40 old?
> I am 41 next March.
> Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)'
>
> I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of
> you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of
> schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were
> born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory,
> but growing _up_ is optional.
> LnH
>
> Marion
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Wanted: your unwanted live CDs
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some even act
like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be 20 and act
like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to calculate
a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its who we
are......................
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
> bolosun wrote:
>
> '40 old?
> I am 41 next March.
> Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)'
>
> I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of
> you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of
> schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were
> born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory,
> but growing _up_ is optional.
> LnH
>
> Marion
From:
'billythefish01 '
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
I am 33 and a half, and very immature ;-P
I still play with toys (although they are bigger and more
expensive), I still race mountain bikes at insane speeds down hills
and I still drink more than I should... most of all, I still listen
to Tangerine Dream.
The best thing is that I can now afford a few more CDs because my
insurance gets cheaper!
TTFN
BTF
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marion Horrod wrote:
> bolosun wrote:
>
> '40 old?
> I am 41 next March.
> Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)'
>
> I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the
rest of
> you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years
of
> schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far)
were
> born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is
mandatory,
> but growing _up_ is optional.
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size
it needs
> to be ...' S. Blakemore
From:
tadreaming@c...
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: Strange Attractions
In a message dated 1/22/2003 12:30:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
Tadreaming writes:
> Subj:Strange Attractions
> Date:1/22/2003 12:30:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:Tadreaming
> To:tadream@yahoogroups.com
>
> I live in the USA
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm in need of a redbook CD copy of Strange Attractions off of the Classic
> Tree. Can someone make it available? The copy I received with the set is
> a defect and won't play. I can do a trade or send blank and postage.
> Thanks for looking, please mail to me privately if you would like to help
> me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Martyn C.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'marracc2000 '
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:41
pm
Subject: Re: FTP server UP
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Hilary Wright '
wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Just a note to let you know that my FTP server is back up, mostly at
> weekends as usual.
>
> Hilary
Hi Hilary, Could I
get the details to log into you ftp site?
Thanks,
Mark
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Wed
1/22/2003
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From:
'Sean Montgomery '
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:14
pm
Subject: Re: FTP server UP
Just a general question...and if the answer to this has already been
given, I apologize...are the TT 'downloaders' being assignened FTP
providers (or, 'branches'), or are we on our own? I had a list of
three or four FTP sites from the previous tree, but none of them are
up and running right now.
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:22
pm
Subject: Re: FTP server UP
>Just a general question...and if the answer to this has already been
>given, I apologize...are the TT 'downloaders' being assignened FTP
>providers (or, 'branches'), or are we on our own? I had a list of
>three or four FTP sites from the previous tree, but none of them are
>up and running right now.
And to extend that question:
Will there ever be a SHN download available for the DSC ?????
Looks like I'll be missing out on those discs as download is my
only option...... =(
Rolf
From:
'andrzejos2000 '
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:35
am
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote:
> Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some
even act
> like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be
20 and act
> like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to
calculate
> a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its
who where
> are......................
> Jan
BUT the most important thing is that these under 20
and these round 30
and those, let's say, 40+
love to listen to the same music.
One friend of mine, who is a TD fan, too, will be 60 in 2004!
He tries to see TD live every time they are visiting USA.
And he is in THIS yahoogroup.
Anyone here is more 'mature'?
Andy (30+)
P.S. Dream on, Harry B.!
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Fri
1/24/2003
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David Dunham
tandreamelp
Fri
1/24/2003
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:55
am
Subject: Nero Question [off topic]
Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR
media?
Thanks, Vic
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Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)
glennfolkvord
Thu
1/23/2003
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1/23/2003
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Duncan McKee
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:01
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic]
Not me.. I've never had such discs.. only the 700 meg ones. Good luck
though. :)
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:55 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic]
Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR
media?
Thanks, Vic
From:
'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic]
I tried it with my rather new NEC burner, but apparently only a few brands
and models support 90 minute blanks. You should have a very new model to
accomplish it. Has nothing to do with Nero, but your burner unit. So I was
told.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
> Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR
> media?
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:39
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic]
that's what i would think too... same reasoning as a regular drive can;t
write dvd-r's... too bad my brain is mia again!
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:34 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic]
I tried it with my rather new NEC burner, but apparently only a few brands
and models support 90 minute blanks. You should have a very new model to
accomplish it. Has nothing to do with Nero, but your burner unit. So I was
told.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
> Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR
> media?
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From:
'braddito '
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:39
am
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
I totally agree. I'm 42 and I still love listening to the music I
grew up with, still enjoy playing football (Soccer for our NA
friends), love playing computer games etc. but my wife can't
understand why I want to see TD live again 'at my age'. I'm going to
be 18-21 as long as my body can stand the pace !
Toby
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote:
> Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some
even act
> like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be
20 and act
> like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to
calculate
> a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its
who where
> are......................
>
> Jan
>
From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:25
am
Subject: Re: Nero Question [off topic]
http://www.tdk-europe.com/products/uk/recordablemedia/10/
Click on -> Nero Setup
Regards Rene
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote:
> Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR
> media?
> Thanks, Vic
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
My wife doesn't understand why I want to buy and old Pontiac Trans-Am! (the
Knight Rider car).And then spend a small fortune converting it into a KITT
replica!
I've wanted one ever since the program came out which is 20 years ago now!
I still use my Commodore 64, watch tapes of Airwolf and listen to TD, guys
aren't designed to grow up!
Matthew
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:39 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
> I totally agree. I'm 42 and I still love listening to the music I
> grew up with, still enjoy playing football (Soccer for our NA
> friends), love playing computer games etc. but my wife can't
> understand why I want to see TD live again 'at my age'. I'm going to
> be 18-21 as long as my body can stand the pace !
>
> Toby
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote:
> > Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some
> even act
> > like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be
> 20 and act
> > like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to
> calculate
> > a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its
> who where
> > are......................
> >
> > Jan
> >
>
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
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From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:36
am
Subject: Re: Tubular 30th Anniv
>I'm looking forward for it because I'm not a huge fan
>of the original. It had some great parts but mostly
>there were many distracting errors.
>
>Regards,
>Marko Marin
Right. I love _TB_ (well, side 1; does anybody actually
give a shit about side 2?) but I rarely play it because
it's surely one of the most incompetently-played albums
of all time--a farrago of bum notes, out-of-time playing,
out-of-tune instruments, etc. Indeed, there is a fluffed
note in the 'double-speed guitar' section that is surely
the worst technical mistake in the history of recorded
music. I have preferred to keep a sort of Platonic ideal
of _TB_ in my head, rather than play the record, so I'm
looking forwards to the rerecorded version, which
apparently will be note-for-note the same...but played
properly.
Glynn
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Wed
1/29/2003
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From:
'Duncan McKee '
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:38
am
Subject: Re: Nero Question [off topic]
Vic
as long as your burner supports 90-99 min cdrs it is easy
On Nero goto preferences and then to expert features, Tick Enable
Overburn 'Disc at Once'
and change the Maximum CD length to 90 min.
you will get an error message when you try to burn a 90 min cd, just
ok it and it will start the over burn.
but please make sure your Burner supports this feature or you will
damage it.
my burner is a LiteON 24X and can write upto 99mins.
Duncan
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek'
wrote:
> Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB)
CDR
> media?
> Thanks, Vic
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv
come on it's fantastic, considering how it was made, I think the crustness
of it adds to it's charm.
Easily one of his best albums.
Matthew
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv
> >I'm looking forward for it because I'm not a huge fan
> >of the original. It had some great parts but mostly
> >there were many distracting errors.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Marko Marin
>
> Right. I love _TB_ (well, side 1; does anybody actually
> give a shit about side 2?) but I rarely play it because
> it's surely one of the most incompetently-played albums
> of all time--a farrago of bum notes, out-of-time playing,
> out-of-tune instruments, etc. Indeed, there is a fluffed
> note in the 'double-speed guitar' section that is surely
> the worst technical mistake in the history of recorded
> music. I have preferred to keep a sort of Platonic ideal
> of _TB_ in my head, rather than play the record, so I'm
> looking forwards to the rerecorded version, which
> apparently will be note-for-note the same...but played
> properly.
>
> Glynn
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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mengels@w...
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nero Question [off topic]
Hi Duncan and to the rest that responded.
Lucky for me, I happen to have a LiteON 24x - so I should have no problems.
Thanks for the info!
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:38 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Nero Question [off topic]
> Vic
> as long as your burner supports 90-99 min cdrs it is easy
> On Nero goto preferences and then to expert features, Tick Enable
> Overburn 'Disc at Once'
> and change the Maximum CD length to 90 min.
> you will get an error message when you try to burn a 90 min cd, just
> ok it and it will start the over burn.
> but please make sure your Burner supports this feature or you will
> damage it.
> my burner is a LiteON 24X and can write upto 99mins.
>
> Duncan
>
> --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek'
> wrote:
> > Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB)
> CDR
> > media?
> > Thanks, Vic
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:57
pm
Subject: Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails
Hello
Anybody knows how to back up old emails in Outlook Express 5 (under Window
98) and restore them on Outlook Express 6 under Window XP?
I tried some guides on the web but somehow I could not import the .dbx
files, or I also tried to change the path of the existing storage of
Outlook Express 6, and yet I did not succeed.
Will greatly appreciate any help suggested. Sorry for the off-topic.
Jeffrey
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From:
'Yannick EDOM'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:33
pm
Subject: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Hello everyone.
Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift.
I would like to get a copy if possible.
Many thanks in advance
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
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Thu
1/23/2003
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Erik Sanborn
esanbornyid
Fri
1/24/2003
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Micke Stark Runsten
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Fri
1/24/2003
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Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Carlos Oliveira
caobe49
Tue
2/4/2003
3 KB
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Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Matthew Sawyer
matthewsawyer
Fri
1/24/2003
2 KB
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Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Carlos Oliveira
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Sat
1/25/2003
2 KB
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Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
David Dunham
tandreamelp
Tue
2/4/2003
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From:
'Bob Wentz'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
If you find a source - please let me know.
Thank you.
Bob Wentz
Wyandot, Inc.
(740)383-4031, Ext. 2246
bob.wentz@w...
-----Original Message-----
From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Hello everyone.
Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift.
I would like to get a copy if possible.
Many thanks in advance
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
'dat_dream '
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:47
am
Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
> BUT the most important thing is that these under 20
> and these round 30
> and those, let's say, 40+
> love to listen to the same music.
> One friend of mine, who is a TD fan, too, will be 60 in 2004!
> He tries to see TD live every time they are visiting USA.
> And he is in THIS yahoogroup.
> Anyone here is more 'mature'?
> Andy (30+)
> P.S. Dream on, Harry B.!
Ah, I remember it as if it were yesterday: My first exposure to TD.
I'm driving in my car, listening the the Denver 'underground' fm
station and they play a cut from this brand new record called
Phadra...
And Andy, with all due respect, that milestone won't be reached
until 2008.
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David Dunham
tandreamelp
Fri
1/24/2003
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From:
bradley_duke@u...
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:04
pm
Subject: Sound and Effects
The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House
of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on
the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is?
Bradley S. Duke
Change Management Coordinator
Data Center Operations
IBM Software Group
(978) 399-7189
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sound and Effects
The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House
>of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on
>the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is?
Voices in the Net says:
'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles and
composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The
Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988, is
not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from the
Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.'
John Vertical
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From:
'vlegrand@c...'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:29
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Red shift Wild CDR wanted please
I would also be interested in this CDR as well.
It was a limited edition available AFAIK only at Hampshire Jam 2. If
anyone on the list has any connections with Red Shift, perhaps they could
find out if they plan to make more copies available or they could at least
give their blessing to folks doing trades (or B&P) for it.
Vince
Original Message:
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From: Bob Wentz bob.wentz@w...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:42:43 -0500
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
If you find a source - please let me know.
Thank you.
Bob Wentz
Wyandot, Inc.
(740)383-4031, Ext. 2246
bob.wentz@w...
-----Original Message-----
From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Hello everyone.
Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift.
I would like to get a copy if possible.
Many thanks in advance
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Mudspanker said 'I still race mountain bikes at insane speeds down hills...'
Yep, I'm 40 and I ain't stopping the downhill biking and I'm not being any
motorists tyre cover.
TD should be heartened reading this list that their music still appeals to
some fans and is liked by younger fans.
Like others I feel that I grew up with the music. I was around 12 when I saw
the Coventry TV show in 74 In this changing world the music is a
reassuring constant. I hear people comment 'Are they still going?' They
can't believe how many things they have released nor understand why some of
us still go to the shows. Simple really, its enjoyable. See you at the
show. Time to get out my Cyclone badge.
David
From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: Sound and Effects
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical'
wrote:
> The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to
be 'House
> >of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be
heard on
> >the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is?
>
>
> Voices in the Net says:
> 'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct
titles and
> composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of
The
> Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in
1988, is
> not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track
from the
> Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.'
Hmmm very interesting.I can assure you that the Sound and Effects CD
i have in my hand contains without doubt(house of the rising sun) as
track 12,it is identical to fan tape versions of the 88 tour.
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Sound and Effects
Hey, Guys, I think we're dangerously close to getting on topic here --
be careful...
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be
'House
>of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard
>on the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is?
Voices in the Net says:
'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles
and
composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The
Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988,
is
not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from
the
Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.'
From:
coldwatercanyon
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:55
am
Subject: Wanted: your unwanted live CDs
I still have a few TD or Franke scored original movie VCDs (Risky Business,
Firestarter, Red Nights) that I can use to swap for the original live CDs (not
CDRs) or Russian CDs. Anybody interested pls contact me off-list.
Also got a spare Klaus Schulze 'Conquest of Paradise' Maxi CD for swapping
similar material.
Rgds
Jeffrey
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From:
'K. W. Beal'
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 4:57
am
Subject: ISO: Info Space Trucking/Event Horizon
Howdy..
I recently acquired a 2 disc set of Tangerine Dream music..
The Artwork says (from top to bottom):
Tangerine Dream
Space Trucking
Event Horizon
Disc 1 is 46m24s in length
Disc 2 is 39m31s in length
Any Dreamer out there know exactly what I have? I am confused...
What is on Disc 1?
What is on Disc 2?
TIA,
Ken
--
'Always headin' toward that Lipstick Sunset.'
Trade list: http://www32.brinkster.com/noir43
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ISO: Info Space Trucking/Event Horizon
> Howdy..
>
> I recently acquired a 2 disc set of Tangerine Dream music..
> The Artwork says (from top to bottom):
> Tangerine Dream
> Space Trucking
> Event Horizon
>
> Disc 1 is 46m24s in length
> Disc 2 is 39m31s in length
>
> Any Dreamer out there know exactly what I have? I am confused...
this is an audience concert recording of Preston Guildhall (UK) 05 November
1980.
Heiko
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:56
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv
Yes, it's very fine in a technical way. They had to
cut the tapes with a razorblades because there wasn't
any samplers available, so in that way, it's a real
masterpiece that contains lot of hard work.
Regards,
Marko Marin
--- Matthew Stringer wrote:
> come on it's fantastic, considering how it was made,
> I think the crustness
> of it adds to it's charm.
>
> Easily one of his best albums.
>
> Matthew
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From:
mengels@w...
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 9:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv
I like the original TB better then the new ones.
I find the new ones too slick and smooth.
TB2 was listenable but 3.
I was so suprised when he released Amarok, it's
so different (imo much much better) then he was
doing at that time. Like TD doing a Tangram between
Melrose and Lily.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
> Yes, it's very fine in a technical way. They had to
> cut the tapes with a razorblades because there wasn't
> any samplers available, so in that way, it's a real
> masterpiece that contains lot of hard work.
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
> --- Matthew Stringer wrote:
> > come on it's fantastic, considering how it was made,
> > I think the crustness
> > of it adds to it's charm.
> >
> > Easily one of his best albums.
> >
> > Matthew
>
>
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:18
pm
Subject: Re: Sound and Effects
The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House
>of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on
>the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is?
Voices in the Net says:
'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles and
composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The
Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988, is
not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from the
Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.'
Just for the record (sic), the title of this track is 'Assassin' and it was
recorded at the UK Electronica festival on September 15, 1990.
Cordially,
Dave Kaufman
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From:
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:42
pm
Subject: Digital Soundtrack Collection
So, any word on when this tree will officially be started??? I am ANXIOUSLY
waiting for this set!!
Thanks
Neal
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From:
'dat_dream '
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:17
am
Subject: (semi OT) Any emusic news sites?
For example, I would have loved to have known about Radio
Massacre International's mini-tour of the US before the fact.
More specifically, how does one find out that a decent emusic
band is coming to their area w/o having to go through page after
page of their local entertainment rag? Or trying to hit all of the
web sites of all of the bands that might be interesting?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Fri
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:34
pm
Subject: Wanted: Redshift's first CD
Hello folks,
I am looking for an original copy of Redshift's first
CD 'Redshift/Recorded at Distant Sun Studios 1996' in new/mint
condition. If you can help me please email me offlist.
Thanks
Rene
From:
moxica@a...
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:58
pm
Subject: In London
Looks like I'll be coming to London for the concert next month! I could
certainly use some recommendations for hotels in the area -- I'll be site-
seeing for a couple of days, so maybe I might need to stay somewhere that's
centrally located near the Astoria and some of the other spots?
- jim
--
Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
moxica@a...
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (semi OT) Any emusic news sites?
In a message dated 1/24/2003 5:22:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
DreamOn@T... writes:
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
*You might be interested in a yahoo mailing list called 'Beyond_Em' which
deals almost exclusively with the current scene in classic EM. There's a
wealth of info there regarding what's going on... the only downside to that
will be to your wallet... there's a surprising amount of stuff going on that
you may not have been aware of before!
Peace
Poly
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (semi OT) Any emusic news sites?
DreamOn@T... wrote:
> For example, I would have loved to have known about Radio
>Massacre International's mini-tour of the US before the fact.
>
>More specifically, how does one find out that a decent emusic
>band is coming to their area w/o having to go through page after
>page of their local entertainment rag? Or trying to hit all of the
>web sites of all of the bands that might be interesting?
If you aren't already subscribed to it, consider signing up for Groove
Unlimited's E-News newsletter. See http://www.groove.nl/mailing.html.
--Daniel
NP: Covenant - Northern Light
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From:
'K. W. Beal'
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:25
pm
Subject: ISO: Trees Info
Hello!!
Can someone direct me to a website that has the TT#3 and The Classics Tree
info, such as dates and venues for the discs.
TIA,
Ken
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From:
'maggior '
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:31
pm
Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection
Hey Neal,
It supposedly officially started months and months and ago. I gave
up on the tree and got the set from somebody else. I was annoyed
because my supplier didn't respond to ANY of my 3 emails I sent to
him.
If you would like to trade for it, point me to your list and we can
set something up.
Thanks!
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> So, any word on when this tree will officially be started??? I am
ANXIOUSLY
> waiting for this set!!
>
> Thanks
> Neal
From:
'maggior '
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:32
pm
Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection
The previous message was intended to directly to the sender. Sorry!
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> So, any word on when this tree will officially be started??? I am
ANXIOUSLY
> waiting for this set!!
>
> Thanks
> Neal
From:
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:56
pm
Subject: ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
I will visit the Ashra management on January, 30, certainly with the
possibility to ask Manuel one question or another. So, if you always wanted to
know something special about ASH RA TEMPEL , ASHRA oder Manuel
Göttsching, please simply email until january 28 to:
postmaster@t...
Hopefully, I will have _all_ the answers ready in the next newsletter at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter
Cheers
heiko from Germany
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
Erik Sanborn
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:23
pm
Subject: Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
I would be interested in a copy of 'Wild' also. Please contact me off-list.
Thanks,
Erik Sanborn
esanborn@n...
====================================
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:42:43 -0500
From: 'Bob Wentz'
Subject: RE: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
If you find a source - please let me know.
Thank you.
Bob Wentz
Wyandot, Inc.
(740)383-4031, Ext. 2246
bob.wentz@w...
-----Original Message-----
From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Hello everyone.
Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift.
I would like to get a copy if possible.
Many thanks in advance
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
'Micke Stark Runsten'
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:32
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Dito,
Thanx
Micke
micke.stark@g...
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Erik Sanborn [mailto:esanborn@n...]
> Skickat: den 24 januari 2003 19:24
> Till: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Ämne: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
>
>
> I would be interested in a copy of 'Wild' also. Please contact me
> off-list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erik Sanborn
> esanborn@n...
>
> ====================================
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:42:43 -0500
> From: 'Bob Wentz'
> Subject: RE: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
>
> If you find a source - please let me know.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Bob Wentz
> Wyandot, Inc.
> (740)383-4031, Ext. 2246
> bob.wentz@w...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
>
> Hello everyone.
> Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by
> Red Shift.
> I would like to get a copy if possible.
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: ISO: Trees Info
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'K. W. Beal' wrote:
> Hello!!
>
> Can someone direct me to a website that has the TT#3 and The
Classics Tree
> info, such as dates and venues for the discs.
For TT#3 see http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html
Rene
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
From: 'Erik Sanborn'
> I would be interested in a copy of 'Wild' also. Please contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erik Sanborn
> esanborn@n...
I've got it. CDR trades preferred. Anyone interested please contact me off-list.
Maff
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From:
'michaeljean@e...'
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:29
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] In London
I have been flirting with the idea of goingmyself... I haven't been to the
UK since the 96 S Bush show... It is unlikely I'll go though unless I get a
surprisingly large tax refund this year.
MJ
Original Message:
-----------------
From: moxica@a...
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:58:24 +0000
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] In London
Looks like I'll be coming to London for the concert next month! I could
certainly use some recommendations for hotels in the area -- I'll be site-
seeing for a couple of days, so maybe I might need to stay somewhere that's
centrally located near the Astoria and some of the other spots?
- jim
--
Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
moxica@a...
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ISO: Trees Info
From: 'René Brenner'
> For TT#3 see http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html
And the CT info is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/36391
Maff
From:
David Dunham
Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!.
Harry you old dog ;-) I'll be 49 this Sept and my
first with the Dream was also Phadra. It was recomened
by a waiter in Wildwood NJ. And the rest is history.
--- 'dat_dream '
wrote:
> > BUT the most important thing is that these under
> 20
> > and these round 30
> > and those, let's say, 40+
> > love to listen to the same music.
> > One friend of mine, who is a TD fan, too, will be
> 60 in 2004!
> > He tries to see TD live every time they are
> visiting USA.
> > And he is in THIS yahoogroup.
> > Anyone here is more 'mature'?
> > Andy (30+)
> > P.S. Dream on, Harry B.!
>
>
> Ah, I remember it as if it were yesterday: My first
> exposure to TD.
> I'm driving in my car, listening the the Denver
> 'underground' fm
> station and they play a cut from this brand new
> record called
> Phadra...
>
> And Andy, with all due respect, that milestone won't
> be reached
> until 2008.
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a sequencer
going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I speak of
E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From:
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>CC: ,
>Subject: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:56:04 +0100
>
>I will visit the Ashra management on January, 30, certainly with the
>possibility to ask Manuel one question or another. So, if you always wanted
>to know something special about ASH RA TEMPEL , ASHRA oder Manuel
>Göttsching, please simply email until january 28 to:
>postmaster@t...
>Hopefully, I will have _all_ the answers ready in the next newsletter at
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter
>
>Cheers
>heiko from Germany
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
Oh dear! Did I misunderstand something along the way? I was once told that
if I signed up for the first tree as permanent that it was unnecessary to
re-sign up for the next trees and sure enough I got Trees one and two just
fine. But I decided to check out the site, and I'm NOT THERE! Does that mean
I have missed out on Tree three? I have just entered my name on the list,
but is it too late? Robert? 8-0 Dell
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
>From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:28:07 -0000
>
>
>From:
>
> > Where can I get it ?
>
>
>Just to add to what Morgan said, if you're looking for copies of previous
>Tree
>releases you'll need to post a request here offering either a CDR trade or
>alternatively asking for someone to do a blanks and postage arrangement for
>you.
>The previous trees which have finished being distributed through the group
>are
>Tangerine Tree #1, Tangerine Tree #2, the Classic Tree and the Digital
>Soundtrack Collection.
>
>However, for the tree currently in operation (Tangerine Tree #3), you can
>sign
>up on the group database as a branch (which means you're willing to make
>copies
>and supply them to other people in the tree), or a leaf (you are unable to
>make
>copies).
>
>Go to the database here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
>Select the TT3 database and sign up with your details.
>
>Then keep an eye on the group for TT3 announcements.
>
>
>Maff
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
In a message dated 1/24/2003 6:23:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
outlanda60@h... writes:
> Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a sequencer
> going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I speak
> of
> E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell
*It's called minimalism. I had the same impression when I first heard it I
thought it was ridiculous... although after giving it some time my opinion
has changed. I enjoy it now quite a bit.
Poly
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
>Oh dear! Did I misunderstand something along the way? I was once told that
>if I signed up for the first tree as permanent that it was unnecessary to
>re-sign up for the next trees and sure enough I got Trees one and two just
>fine. But I decided to check out the site, and I'm NOT THERE! Does that
>mean
>I have missed out on Tree three? I have just entered my name on the list,
>but is it too late? Robert? 8-0 Dell
I think the official distrubution has not started yet - and Joe said a while
ago that he will some day be updating the Tree database, and adding all the
permanent members from TT2...
John Vertical
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From:
'Carlos Oliveira'
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:16
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please
Hi Maff...
I'm interested, in attach goes my list, thankx...
Carlos Oliveira
Praceta Dr Barbosa du Bocage, 1 - 8o D
2810 175 Laranjeiro
Portugal
caobe@n...
Peace, tranquility, and good will
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08:17 PM, Adele Outland wrote:
> Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a
> sequencer
> going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I
> speak of
> E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell
considering how influential that track is, i'm anxious to hear it.
i'm sure that it's repetitive nature made it wonderful sample fodder
for the neo-ambient movement of the 1990s.
i wish you had given it to me. i would have paid you for it.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
'Scott'
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:26
pm
Subject: TD on Muzak
No, TD wasn't 'Muzak-ed' in the traditional sense. Muzak has several
different channels, many of which play music by the original artists. I work
at a hotel, and lately they've had a new age/electronic channel on, and this
week I've heard tracks from Mars Polaris, 220 Volt and... get this! Kamikaze
89! I've also heard Mark Isham, Klaus Schlze, Synergy and lots of other cool
stuff.
Scott
From:
'Martin Mckee '
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:52
pm
Subject: DSC
Hello all,
Just wondering if anyone here is interested in
helping me out with getting a copy of The digital
soundtrack collection.
Thanks,
Atroller
contact me off list if you like : atroller@b...
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree
From: 'Adele Outland'
> Oh dear! Did I misunderstand something along the way? I was once told that
> if I signed up for the first tree as permanent that it was unnecessary to
> re-sign up for the next trees and sure enough I got Trees one and two just
> fine. But I decided to check out the site, and I'm NOT THERE! Does that mean
> I have missed out on Tree three? I have just entered my name on the list,
> but is it too late? Robert? 8-0 Dell
No, you haven't missed TT3 as it hasn't been distributed through the tree yet.
My understanding is that Joe has a listing of all those who signed up as a
permanent Tree member and that list will be added to those who have also signed
up in the TT3 database, when the tree structure is sorted out. Which, hopefully,
will be soon...
Maff
From:
Daventura
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:07
am
Subject: No TD...sorry
Okay, I will not be going to London. In fact, I will
not be going anywhere. My truck is out of gas.
Everybody is partying around here tonight. There is
something going on. I am just across the bridge from a
town called Oakland. They have a football team there
that goes by the name of 'The Raiders'. I guess they
have a big game lined up tomorrow or something. I need
to get out more. 35 Raiders 24 Bucs...let's see if I
really am psychic. Personally I really don't care who
wins. I just want a better job. And a new car....David
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:11
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry
They are the cause of the ruin of my birthday every year... damned super
bowl! ;-P
Debra Wilson
Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daventura [mailto:daventura98@y...]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:08 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] No TD...sorry
Okay, I will not be going to London. In fact, I will
not be going anywhere. My truck is out of gas.
Everybody is partying around here tonight. There is
something going on. I am just across the bridge from a
town called Oakland. They have a football team there
that goes by the name of 'The Raiders'. I guess they
have a big game lined up tomorrow or something. I need
to get out more. 35 Raiders 24 Bucs...let's see if I
really am psychic. Personally I really don't care who
wins. I just want a better job. And a new car....David
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry
You really celebrate staying alive for another year?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Debra Wilson'
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry
> They are the cause of the ruin of my birthday every year... damned super
> bowl! ;-P
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daventura [mailto:daventura98@y...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:08 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] No TD...sorry
>
>
> Okay, I will not be going to London. In fact, I will
> not be going anywhere. My truck is out of gas.
> Everybody is partying around here tonight. There is
> something going on. I am just across the bridge from a
> town called Oakland. They have a football team there
> that goes by the name of 'The Raiders'. I guess they
> have a big game lined up tomorrow or something. I need
> to get out more. 35 Raiders 24 Bucs...let's see if I
> really am psychic. Personally I really don't care who
> wins. I just want a better job. And a new car....David
>
>
>
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From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:24
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry
Celebrate? I had a birthday party once, when i was 7... and one when I was
14.. nothing since then, because the super bowl takes over my weekend..
everyone has plans for their super bowl parties, which puts me SOL... grrr!
But it's not so bad, nice and a quiet with family is very nice too. :-)
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:22 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry
You really celebrate staying alive for another year?
;-)
dale
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:00
am
Subject: Tangerine Dream Logo Creator
Hello all
I know you may think me a touch sad,but ive just put tangerine dream
on front of my Nokia 8310 and it looks fine,go to www.free-ringtones-
free-logos.com where you will find a logo creator.All this will cost
you is the charge of a text message eg 10 pence. Now all i need is a
Rubycon 17 minute Ringtone LOL.
Best regards
Colin
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From:
'Gary Jenkins '
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:50
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Logo Creator
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson '
wrote:
> Hello all
> I know you may think me a touch sad,but ive just put tangerine
dream
> on front of my Nokia 8310 and it looks fine,go to www.free-
ringtones-
> free-logos.com where you will find a logo creator.All this will
cost
> you is the charge of a text message eg 10 pence. Now all i need is
a
> Rubycon 17 minute Ringtone LOL.
> Best regards
> Colin
Hi Colin don't worry we are as sad as each other my nokia and my
Arcam amp greet me with hello Tangerine Dream Fan when I turn them on
the wife thinks I am nuts LOL,My nokia ringtone is Hyde Park at the
moment and I have Streethawk in reserve the only two TD tracks that I
can find.
Cheers Gary
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails
I never got anything like that to work......
I lost all the messages and addresses when I changed over.
Paulus.d
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM
Subject: [tadream] Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails
> Hello
>
> Anybody knows how to back up old emails in Outlook Express 5 (under Window
> 98) and restore them on Outlook Express 6 under Window XP?
>
> I tried some guides on the web but somehow I could not import the .dbx
> files, or I also tried to change the path of the existing storage of
> Outlook Express 6, and yet I did not succeed.
>
> Will greatly appreciate any help suggested. Sorry for the off-topic.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
>
>
From:
'Alan Miller'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:01
pm
Subject: Directions for Astoria
For those coming to London on the 15th and are not sure of the location of
the Astoria I hope this helps:
The Astoria is on the junction of Shaftesbury Avenue, Tottenham Court Road
and Charing Cross Road. It is directly opposite a large office tower called
Centre Point. The nearest Undergound station is Tottenham Court Road (10
metres). There are a number of pubs in the area - The Tottenham (Shaftesbury
Avenue) is the nearest, looks small from the outside but has a downstairs
area - popular with tourists. The Moon Under Water is 300 metres away in
Charing Cross Road on the same side as the Astoria, a larger pub - a
drinker's watering hole. The Jack Horner is 400 metres away in the Tottenham
Court Road, a larger tradional pub - better for a quieter drink.
I have taken some pictures of the Astoria (showing TD as a forthcoming
attraction) and the 3 pubs if anyone would like pictorial references then
drop me a note off-list and I will email them to you - bear in mind that
they were taken today - a wet Sunday morning so the places will look
different on a Saturday evening (it is a very busy area of town).
Hope to see many of you there......my vote on a meeting place would be the
Jack Horner but happy to go with the flow.
Dream on
Alan
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
Well I find E2-E4 fascinating, specially after I knew the fact that MG was
in the studio only for two hours to make it, and it was recorded at one go.
For me, it's one of the best pieces of EM made. The thing is E2-E4 has a
very subtle development (specially in the first half), like Schulze's music
usually has. Some people don't like that. The rhythm for me has such a
hypnotic effect that it's a shock when the music ends, like most
minimalistic music.
gj np. k.crimson in the wake of poseidon
> > Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a sequencer
> > going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I speak
> > of
> > E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell
>
>*It's called minimalism. I had the same impression when I first heard it I
>thought it was ridiculous... although after giving it some time my opinion
>has changed. I enjoy it now quite a bit.
>Poly
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@s...
From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:44
pm
Subject: Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise.
No no this cant be right,on Heiko Heerssen,s TD fan site there is a
picture on the back of Parallel Dreams volumes 13-18,it is the middle
picture of three on the back cover,this is definately non other than
UK Foriegn Secretary Jack Straw in his long haired youth.Fascinating.
Hows about a tinkle on the modular moog then Jack.
Tony Blair-Mellotron VCS3 Synthi Guitars
Jack Straw-Modular moog synthesiser Elka organ
John Prescott-Electric Piano Organ Arp 2600 and Fisticuffs.
The Mind boggles.
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise.
Ha ha....
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: [tadream] Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise.
> No no this cant be right,on Heiko Heerssen,s TD fan site there is a
> picture on the back of Parallel Dreams volumes 13-18,it is the middle
> picture of three on the back cover,this is definately non other than
> UK Foriegn Secretary Jack Straw in his long haired youth.Fascinating.
> Hows about a tinkle on the modular moog then Jack.
> Tony Blair-Mellotron VCS3 Synthi Guitars
> Jack Straw-Modular moog synthesiser Elka organ
> John Prescott-Electric Piano Organ Arp 2600 and Fisticuffs.
> The Mind boggles.
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:00
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry
You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of
thousand miles away or something) I can't think of
anything more boring than American Football.
Now Rugby, there's a good game!
Happy Birthday :-)
--- Debra Wilson wrote: >
Celebrate? I had a birthday party once, when i was
> 7... and one when I was
> 14.. nothing since then, because the super bowl
> takes over my weekend..
> everyone has plans for their super bowl parties,
> which puts me SOL... grrr!
> But it's not so bad, nice and a quiet with family is
> very nice too. :-)
>
> Debra Wilson
> Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal
> http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html
> AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs
> http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:22 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry
>
>
> You really celebrate staying alive for another year?
>
> ;-)
>
> dale
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jonathan Holt'
> I can't think of
> anything more boring than American Football.
agree............american football, soccer = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
From:
'Debra Wilson'
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry - and way OT!
Can I stay forever? Far away from here would be sooo nice! lol
Thanks for the birthday wishes, I'm trying to make a card for my Grandpa,
his birthday was yesterday.... only thing is, I dunno if our printer is
behaving... so we'll see!
Debra Wilson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:01 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry
You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of
thousand miles away or something) I can't think of
anything more boring than American Football.
Now Rugby, there's a good game!
Happy Birthday :-)
From:
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:22
am
Subject: OT: Football and Invitations
Hello Jonathan,
I must agree. I am not much of a football fan myself. I will watch the 'Big
Game' though. I really enjoy watching all the fancy new commercials they
come up with just for this game.
Neal
PS> If ever any TD fan finds themselves in sunny south Florida, my door is
ALWAYS open!!!
**********************************
>>Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:00:47 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Jonathan Holt
>>Subject: RE: No TD...sorry
>>
>>You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of
>>thousand miles away or something) I can't think of
>>anything more boring than American Football.
>>Now Rugby, there's a good game!
>>
>>Happy Birthday :-)
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:49
am
Subject: [tadream] Haslinger
I don't think I've mentioned this before...
Haslinger's World Without Rules contains one track
(number 10 if I remeber correctly) which has an
interesting voice-sample. Why it's so interesting?
Well, the same sample is also featured in a television
commercial here in Finland (to every finn here:
muistaakseni juoman nimi oli Hyvää Päivää).
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
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Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:49
am
Subject: [tadream] Haslinger
I don't think I've mentioned this before...
Haslinger's World Without Rules contains one track
(number 10 if I remeber correctly) which has an
interesting voice-sample. Why it's so interesting?
Well, the same sample is also featured in a television
commercial here in Finland (to every finn here:
muistaakseni juoman nimi oli Hyvää Päivää).
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Haslinger
Sorry about the title which is a bit misleading. It's
supposed to be Haslinger's WWR, track 10.
Regards,
Marko Marin
--- Marko Marin wrote:
> I don't think I've mentioned this before...
>
> Haslinger's World Without Rules contains one track
> (number 10 if I remeber correctly) which has an
> interesting voice-sample. Why it's so interesting?
> Well, the same sample is also featured in a
> television
> commercial here in Finland (to every finn here:
> muistaakseni juoman nimi oli Hyvää Päivää).
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry
> > I can't think of
> > anything more boring than American Football.
>
>agree............american football, soccer = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
IMHO any spectator sports is utterly boring... I never watch any. Could have
made an exception with the two olympics in which they played TD as opening
themes, though ;)
John Vertical
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From:
'Robert Wear'
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1659
Can't you put them on a few floppies or CDR?
Robt Wear
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> Hello
>
> Anybody knows how to back up old emails in Outlook Express 5 (under Window
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:49
pm
Subject: [tadream] Mannheim Encore
Someone pointed me out how great the encore of
Mannheim Concert actually is. The actual gig is very
calm, haunting even, and suddenly Chris turns on his
rockin' rythms and Edgar starts to improvise with his
guitar. WOOHOO!
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:57
pm
Subject: Re: ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!!
>> E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell
>*It's called minimalism. I had the same impression when I first heard it I
>thought it was ridiculous... although after giving it some time my opinion
>has changed. I enjoy it now quite a bit.
>Poly
I agree; It works amazingly well, once you accept it's repetitivness.
I have a question for Manuel G:
Will he tour Scandinavia -while I'm still young and beautiful?
/Olle
From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:38
pm
Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III tree structures
Hello everyone:
Sorry for the delay. I was hoping to get this out last week...
These are the tree structures for Dreamwatchers' Tales III. Look one column
to the left for your source, one column to the right for your leaves. Those
in the same column as you have the same source. For example, I'm providing
discs for Rich Maggio, Mike Surber, Arno Kolster, Joe Shoults and Tom
George. Rich, Mike and Arno are all branches. Joe and Tom are leaves.
Any questions, just ask. My discs will be in the mail in the next day or
two.
Please contact your immediate connections inthe tree and make the
arrangements necessary to keep things moving along.
Enjoy the music!
Tom
Europe:
Fred Yargui (fredericyargui@w...)
Alan Miller (diamondsndust@l...)
Andrew Prime (andrew@p...)
Grant Somerville (grant.somerville@v...)
David Syrett (david_syrett@h...)
Steve Yensen (stephen.yensen@s...)
Paul Ridout (thenite0wl@a...)
Marion Horrod (marion@h...)
Philip Meyer (phil@h...)
Jerome Salyers (ssaalyersjj@y...)
Bjorn Sip (bjoernsip@g...)
Olle Rundgren (olle.rundgren@s...)
Mikael Runsten (micke.stark@g...)
René Brenner (rene.brenner@f...)
Kostas Karlis (koulos@s...)
Nicola Cont (Nicola@c...)
Roger Hartopp (gmroger@p...)
Hilary Wright (dreamstogo@n...)
Antonio Nunes (hyperborean@m...)
Carlos Oliviera (caobe@n...)
Herbert (gae@g...)
North America, etc.
Tom Richmond (trichmond@b...)
Rich Maggio (maggior@m...)
Michael Piersanti (km.design@v...)
Roger Smith (rogersmith3@h...)
Greg Waltzer (gwaltzer@o...)
Dave Steiner (steiner@b...)
Craig Claerbaut (craigc@s...)
Mike Daniels (daniels@l...)
Jason Hyman (locrian@c...)
Gary Allen (frntrw@e...)
John McIntyre (mcintyre@p...)
Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@j...)
Dan Downey (djambient@a...)
Robert Asmus (asmus0324@c...)
Allison Rich (alysoun@c...)
Bob Wentz
(bob.wentz@w...)
Jed Levin (jed@m...)
Bob D'Aprile (rgd730@y...)
Martin McKee (janiner@n...)
Harry Besler (TaDream@c...)
Miles MacMillan (mmacmillan@c...)
Mike Surber (msurber@c...)
Rogelio Cavazos (tranceroy@y...)
Dell Outland (outlanda60@h...)
Gustavo Jobim (gustavojobim@s...)
Marc Todd (marctodd@h...)
James Owens (James.E.Owens@m...)
Neal Frost (strat95@b...)
Tim Lemon (timl@g...)
Vic Rek (tangerinedream@a...)
Jeff Stevenson (greymane@g...)
Mark Zussman (markx55@a...)
Chris Monk (cmonk73@h...)
Arno Kolster (akolster@m...)
Roy Teale (3DLux@3...)
David Serfozo (forcemajeure27@a...)
Craig Padilla (craigpadilla@u...)
Dale Kay (admin@k...)
John Marchington (johnm@p...)
John Field (roganjosh@o...)
Jon Wade (sakkshack@h...)
Hank Pharis (hankph@m...)
Joe Shoults (joe@t...)
Tom George (eloy_usa@y...)
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From:
'Glynn Naughton '
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:46
pm
Subject: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT)
>You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of
>thousand miles away or something) I can't think of
>anything more boring than American Football.
>Now Rugby, there's a good game!
>
>Happy Birthday :-)
Rubbish. It has fabulous athletisicm, tactical
interest, and is utterly, mind-bogglingly
violent (far more so that rugby, which is
tame by comparison). And I'm a Brit who grew
up in the heart of Rugby League country. Saw
the light 10 years or so ago, and I've hardly
bothered with rugby since, other than playing
occasionally for fun.
Best of all, because it's a foreign, alien
sport, I have absolutely no emotional
attachment to any team, so there's none
of that horrified watching-through-fingers
that is so exhausting whenever
England play (and lose) in the World Cup.
TD content: didn't it say on the old TD
website that Edgar and Jerome are big
fans of American footy? Surely, given its
tactical complexity, extensive use of
technology, and the notion of players-
as-chess-pieces-controlled-by-the-coaches,
it's a sport with a built-in appeal for
'geeky' types.
In general, I wonder how many TD fans are
sporty? I was always a decent rugby player
at school ('Hey, you can smash into people
and knock them over and not get in trouble
for it!') and played on the school first
team on merit (and on the soccer and
cricket teams because there was so little
talent that any warm body would do).
But since then my sporting activity has
been restricted to running, the odd rugby
game, and watching NFL games on the telly.
But I get the impression that many TD fans
are the weedy, glasses-wearing types who used
to play out on the wing so they wouldn't
get tackled or have to tackle anybody, and
always finished Games lessons with their kit
still clean. Except on the days when Mr Bridge
would give us permission to chuck them into
the nearest puddle :-)
Glynn
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From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT)
In general, I wonder how many TD fans are
sporty?
Hi
Well, for me it used to be rugby, I played on the regional team till someone
nearly killed me! As well as Archery, skiing & small-bore rifle.
These days, its Gym workouts, mountain bikes & the odd bit of fly fishing.
Age takes its toll ;-)
Best
B
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From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:10
pm
Subject: DWT III tree structures again...
Hello again:
Sorry to do this again. Thanks to Craig Clairbaut, who asked about it and
got me to take alook at what went through to the groups, which appears to
have been rather useless. I'll be checking this one to be sure it makes
sense.
Cheers!
Tom
Europe:
Fred Yargui (fredericyargui@w...)
Alan Miller (diamondsndust@l...)
Andrew Prime (andrew@p...)
Grant Somerville (grant.somerville@v...)
David Syrett
(david_syrett@h...)
Steve Yensen
(stephen.yensen@s...)
Paul Ridout (thenite0wl@a...)
Marion Horrod (marion@h...)
Philip Meyer (phil@h...)
Jerome Salyers (ssaalyersjj@y...)
Bjorn Sip (bjoernsip@g...)
Olle Rundgren (olle.rundgren@s...)
Mikael Runsten (micke.stark@g...)
René Brenner (rene.brenner@f...)
Kostas Karlis (koulos@s...)
Nicola Cont (Nicola@c...)
Roger Hartopp (gmroger@p...)
Hilary Wright (dreamstogo@n...)
Antonio Nunes (hyperborean@m...)
Carlos Oliviera (caobe@n...)
Herbert (gae@g...)
North America, etc.
Tom Richmond (trichmond@b...)
Rich Maggio (maggior@m...)
Michael Piersanti (km.design@v...)
Roger Smith (rogersmith3@h...)
Greg Waltzer (gwaltzer@o...)
Dave Steiner (steiner@b...)
Craig Claerbaut (craigc@s...)
Mike Daniels (daniels@l...)
Jason Hyman (locrian@c...)
Gary Allen (frntrw@e...)
John McIntyre (mcintyre@p...)
Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@j...)
Dan Downey
(djambient@a...)
Robert Asmus
(asmus0324@c...)
Allison Rich
(alysoun@c...)
Bob Wentz
(bob.wentz@w...)
Jed Levin (jed@m...)
Bob D'Aprile (rgd730@y...)
Martin McKee (janiner@n...)
Harry Besler (TaDream@c...)
Miles MacMillan (mmacmillan@c...)
Mike Surber (msurber@c...)
Rogelio Cavazos (tranceroy@y...)
Dell Outland (outlanda60@h...)
Gustavo Jobim (gustavojobim@s...)
Marc Todd (marctodd@h...)
James Owens (James.E.Owens@m...)
Neal Frost (strat95@b...)
Tim Lemon (timl@g...)
Vic Rek (tangerinedream@a...)
Jeff Stevenson (greymane@g...)
Mark Zussman (markx55@a...)
Chris Monk (cmonk73@h...)
Arno Kolster (akolster@m...)
Roy Teale (3DLux@3...)
David Serfozo (forcemajeure27@a...)
Craig Padilla (craigpadilla@u...)
Dale Kay (admin@k...)
John Marchington (johnm@p...)
John Field (roganjosh@o...)
Jon Wade (sakkshack@h...)
Hank Pharis (hankph@m...)
Joe Shoults (joe@t...)
Tom George (eloy_usa@y...)
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From:
'Tom Richmond'
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:15
pm
Subject: DWT III tree structure
When I check the archives, this one doesn't look any better than the first
one. Is there a trick to getting indentation to work? Somebody let me know
please. Or let me know if either posting looked ok when you got it. The
yahoogroups archive lost all the indentations that made the structures make
any sense....
Thanks.
Tom
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From:
'Colin Jouxson '
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:48
pm
Subject: Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT)
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Brian Stewart' wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> In general, I wonder how many TD fans are
> sporty?
>
>
> Hi
>
> Well, for me it used to be rugby, I played on the regional team
till someone
> nearly killed me! As well as Archery, skiing & small-bore rifle.
>
> These days, its Gym workouts, mountain bikes & the odd bit of fly
fishing.
> Age takes its toll ;-)
The biggest part of my choppers were lost on the rugby field,6 years
of playing in the front three saw to that,i must have been off my
trolley,15 stone front rowers are few and far beetween today,i just
wasent big enough.These days my only workout is the Dustbin round
which i do each day,still keeps me reasonabley fit and still around
the 15 stone mark,the hair may be greying a touch,but i still feel
young at 38,and of course i loves me Stella Artois and Tangerine Dream
Best regards
CJ
>
> Best
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Gary Jenkins '
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:58
pm
Subject: Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT)
--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton
' But I get the impression that many TD fans
> are the weedy, glasses-wearing types who used
> to play out on the wing so they wouldn't
> get tackled or have to tackle anybody, and
> always finished Games lessons with their kit
> still clean. Except on the days when Mr Bridge
> would give us permission to chuck them into
> the nearest puddle :-)
> You got me down to a tee Glyn being small I did not enjoy Rugby so
managed to play out on the wing to my amazement I accidentally scored
a try once, I was more into X country running.
Cheers Gary
Ps Yes I wear glasses too.